Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns? From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 16  douglas craig holland (holland@CS.ColoState.EDU) writes: [...lostsa' crap deleted. trim your articles!...]  > What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic  > bullets. Would those work very well in stopping an attack?  last i heard, "non-lethal" was a bit of a misnomer for these things.  jason  -- `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` `,` Democrat:    Give us your money. _We'll_ solve your problems. `,` `,` Republican:  Give us your money. We'll ignore your problems.  `,` `,` Libertarian: Keep your money. Solve your own problems.        `,` `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,`
From: kiran@village.com (Kiran Wagle) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: the Syllabub Sea Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu  Mark McWiggins <markmc@halcyon.com> reminds us:  MM> Also, don't forget that it's better for your health  MM> to enjoy your steak than to resent your sprouts ...  YES!  I call this notion "psychological health food" and, in fact, have determined that the Four Food Groups are Ice Cream, Pizza, Barbecue, and Chocolate.  Ideally, every meal should contain something from at least two of these four groups.  Food DOES serve functions other than nutrition, and one of them is keeping the organism happy and thus aiding its immune system.   And I didn't spend a million bucks commissioning a study that told me to redraw my silly little pyramid in different colors and with a friendlier typeface, either.  (Ref: Consumer Reports' back page--one of the best things ever to turn up there.)  Rich Young <young@serum.kodak.com> writes of one of six impossible things: RY> to consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a time."  Donald Mackie <Donald_Mackie@med.umich.edu> confesses: DM> I have to confess that this is one of my few unfulfilled ambitions. DM> No matter how much I eat, it still seems realistic.  Yeah, I want to try one of those 42oz steaks (cooked over applewood) at Wally's Wolf Lodge Inn in Coeur d'Alene.  That seems quite unrealistic--unrealistically SMALL.  And a few slabs of ribs from the East Texas Smoker (RIP, again) in Louisville is not at all unrealistic either.    What say we have a rec.food.cooking dinner at the Moonlite Bar-B-Que Inn in Owensboro? (It's all you can eat including lamb ribs & mutton for about $10.)  We could invite Julie Kangas as guest of honor and see if the Moonlite's Very Hot Sauce is too hot for her.  (It IS too hot for me, and I don't say that very often.)  And she could bring ice cream with crushed dried chiltepins for dessert.    And we could see if there IS such a thing as an "unrealistically large quantity" of barbecue--the owner of the Moonlite estimates that the Owensboro restaurants serve a hundred thousand pounds of meat a week in the summer, and forty thousand in the winter--in a town of 50 000 or so.  Two pounds per person per week?   Again, sure sounds unrealistic to me--thats just too meager to be healthy.  ~ Kiran (Now a two-pound slab of ribs a day, THAT's realistic.)  --  FUZZY PINK NIVEN'S LAW:  Never Waste Calories.  Potato chips, candy, whipped cream, or hot fudge sundae consumption may involve you, your dietician, your wardrobe, and other factors.  But Fuzzy Pink's Law implies: Don't eat soggy potato chips, or cheap candy, or fake whipped cream, or an inferior hot fudge sundae.                 Larry Niven, NIVEN'S LAWS, N-SPACE 
From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic Lines: 34  Kent Sandvik and Jon Livesey made essentially the same response, so this time Kent's article gets the reply:  >I agree, but this started at one particular point in time, and we  >don't know when this starting point of 'accurately copied scriptures' >actually happened.   This begs the question of whether it ever "started"-- perhaps because accuracy was always an intention.  >Even worse, if the events in NT were not written by eye witness accounts (a >high probability looking at possible dates when the first Gospels were >ready) then we have to take into account all the problems with information >forwarded with the 'telephone metaphor', indeed.  It makes little difference if you have eyewitnesses or people one step away (reporters, if you will).  As I said earlier, the "telephone" metaphor is innately bad, because the purpose of a game of telephone is contrary to the aims of writing these sorts of texts.  (Also, I would point out that, by the standards generally asserted in this group, the distinction between eyewitnesses and others is hollow, since nobody can be shown to be an eyewitness, or indeed, even shown to be the author of the text.)  There is no evidence that the "original" texts of either the OT or the NT are largely lost over time in a sea of errors, "corrections", additions and deletions.  In the case of the NT, the evidence is strongly in the other direction: the Textus R. and the Nestle-Aland text do not differ on more than a low level of significance.  It is reasonable to assume a similar situation for the OT, based on the NT as a model. --  C. Wingate        + "The peace of God, it is no peace,                   +    but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu +  Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe       +    the marv'lous peace of God."
From: news&aio.jsc.nasa.gov (USENET News System) Subject: Re: Oily skin - problem? Article-I.D.: aio.1993Apr6.133244.14717 Distribution: sci.med Organization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co. Lines: 17  In article <1993Apr5.044140.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu>, u92_hwong@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu writes: >  > Hi there, >  > 	I have a very oily skin.  My problem is when I wash my face, it becomes > oily in half an hour.  Especially in the nose region.  Is this an illness?  How > can I prevent it from occuring in such short time?  Is there a cleanser out > there that will do a better job -- that is after cleaning, my face won't become > oily in such a short time. >  > 	Thank you for any suggestion. >  >if this is a disease, everyone should have it.  My skin has always been oily - i used to say "if i were hot enough, you could fry an egg on my oily face". i am now 50 yrs old and my skin looks younger (i'm told) than some people's skin at 30 (it's still oily).  i have only a very few tiny wrinkles.  Thank your lucky stars for that skin. 
Subject: Re: Don Cherry - help me out, here From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca  <1993Apr21.144033.15925@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>   <1993Apr21.160212.9413@adobe.com> <1993Apr21.213100.17414@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 34  In article <1993Apr21.213100.17414@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: > In article <1993Apr21.160212.9413@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: >>In article <1993Apr21.144033.15925@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >>>John Madden picks Gary Clark of the Redskins for his All-Madden team >>>a lot, over much better receivers...for much the same reasons Cherry >>>sings the praises of Doug Gilmour...a little guy with heart...yet one >>>doesn't see a string of American posts saying that John Madden has >>>lost his marbles. >> >>Maybe because John Madden doesn't pretend that his All-Madden team is the >>team of the best players.  Maybe because John Madden doesn't feel the need >>to denigrate players he doesn't choose for his All-Madden team.  Maybe >>because Madden actually demonstrates some knowledge about football when he >>broadcasts a game. >> >  > Don Cherry doesn't denigrate players except those who dive, showboat, > wield their sticks as weapons while hiding behind visors, or > deliberating attempt to injure or aggravate the injuries of others.  Not always true. In fact, in the case of Doug Gilmour, he actually praises them.  Europeans that do those things are scum in Cherry's opinion. Canadian kids that do them are "tough, just like a real Canadian".   Ulf Samuelsson cheap shots Mark Messier's ribs and Don wants Ulf's head. Doug Gilmour breaks Tomas Sandstrom's arm and Don says Sandstrom had it coming.  Methinks Don is either very confused or just a bigot. Most likely the latter.  I used to like Don Cherry. I thought he was great. But I'm starting to see his true colors (redneck) and the more I see of them, the more I think he's just an asshole.  								Alan
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: CLINTON JOINS LIST OF GENOCIDAL SOCIALIST LEADERS Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 87 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com  In article <16BB88F6D.R1328@vmcms.csuohio.edu> R1328@vmcms.csuohio.edu writes: > In article <1r5rnn$rdt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> > bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray) writes: >   > > > >In a previous article, nomad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Michael Larish) says: > > > >>In article <1r00ug$d60@btr.btr.com> michaelh@public.btr.com (Michael Hahn    michaelh@btr.com) writes: > >>>A partial list of excellent socialist visionaries and the tolls they've > >>>taken of unpopular religious/ethnic/social groups. > >>> > >>>Mao Tse-Tung		Millions Killed > >>>J. Stalin			Millions Killed > >>>A. Hitler			Millions Killed > >>>Pol Pot				100,000s Killed? > >>>W. J. Clinton		~100 Killed, but relax-he's only had a hundred   or so days. > >> > >>	You people are rather amusing in a perverse sort of way.  You take > >>a tragic/unpleasant situation that you feel is a terrible injustace, and > >>assign blame to anybody and everybody with or without a link to the   incident > >>simply because they don't fit your extremely narrow definition of good. > >> > >>	How is Clinton responsible?  It was a law enforcement action. > >>Granted, it was a nationally covered incident but Clinton had no more to > >>do with the outcome than Fred Flintstone. > >> > >Perhaps you've been under a rock the last few days?  The BATF and the FBI > >are both federal agencies.  Clinton has admitted in front of news cameras > >that Janet Reno (the once and future Attorney General) gave him a full > >briefing of what was planned *before* they did it, and he gave her the > >go ahead. > > > >Maybe, just possibly, that makes him a *teensy* bit responsible? > > > >>-- > The FBI, CIA, BATF, etc. ARE federal agencies, you are correct.  But to > think there is a visible and clear chain of command up to the Prez, and > that these agencies inform Reno who informs Clinton, etc. is naive.  These > agencies operate as distinct and seperate entities and while they have > ultimate accountability to the Prez, they make their own moves, and then > tell the Prez, who says, "I knew all along".  While this may not seem right, > or it may not fit our idealistic need to see a structured chain of command > leading to the White House, thats the way it is.  Bureaucracys are not, after > all, composed of 3 or 4 people who talk on a regular basis, have lunch, and > maybe golf together.  I do agree, the FBI, BATF messed up. I'm not sure if > they should have stormed the compound or not.  By the way, Jehova Witnesses > are a religious minority in this country.  Protestantism is a minority > religion in the World.  BDs were a cult by all definitions and history of > cults.  To say this is not to persecute a religious or ethnic enclave. > Koresh said he was the Messiah.  I was raised a Baptist, although I do > not practice the religion and do not think that the Big Guy upstairs is > digging the divisiveness, closemindedness, and right-wing morons that are > associated with the religion.  Anyway, the Messiah that I was taught about > would not be carrying a gun, let alone stockpiling weapons.  You can doubt > BATF reports all you want, David Koresh was not a poor soul who was > unjustly persecuted.  While some of the information coming from the U.S > government is being exagerated so as keep public opinion on their side, I > do believe that some of the things that former cult members have said > are true.  Anyway, this is just another excuse to try and blame President > Clinton for something.  People who attempt to do this for political motives > should be ashamed.  THEY are the ones who are keeping this country from > reaching its full potential. >   >   >   You seem to make two points.  No one ultimately oversees the federal agencies   you mention, and since Koresh "apparently" has a different view point from your   Baptist upbringing, then he is not worthy of protection from religious   persecution.  As to being the Messiah, is not Christ within us all?  Must be comforting to belong to a government approved religion.  Baptists are a cult, two, BTW, under most of the definitions in the dictionary   of "cult".  Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm always rethinking that.  There's never been a day when I haven't rethought   that.  But I can't do that by myself."  Bill Clinton  6 April 93 "If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed   in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
From: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu Subject: Why are our desktop fonts changing? Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Lines: 17  One of our users is having an unusual problem.  If she does an Alt/Tab to a full-screen DOS program, when she goes back to Windows her desktop fonts have changed.  If she goes back to a full-screen DOS program and then goes back to Windows, the font has changed back to its default font.  It's not a major problem (everything works and the font is legible), but it is annoying.  Does anyone have any idea why this happens.  By the way, she has a DEC 486D2LP machine.     ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jeffrey M. Cohen                      Voice: 518-442-3510 Office for Research (AD 218)          Fax:   518-442-3560 The University at Albany              E-mail: JC924@uacsc2.albany.edu State University of New York 1400 Washington Ave. Albany, NY 12222 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Wings take game one Keywords: The Detroit Red Wings - 6 ; The Toronto Maple Leafs - 3 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 28  In article <1993Apr20.032350.18885@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In <1qvos8$r78@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) writes: > >>  The Detroit Red Wings put a lot of doubter on ice tonight with a 6 - 3 >>washing of the Toronto Maple Leafs.  All you Toronto fans have now seen the >>power of the mighty Red Wing offense.  Toronto's defense in no match for the >>Wing offense.  As for the defense, Probert, Kennedey and Primeau came out > >Did they move Probert back to defense?  Why did I see him parking his ass >in front of Potvin all night?  Somebody is going to have to discipline >Probert if the Leafs want to win the series.  Perhaps a fresh Clark should >hit the ice at the end of a long Probert shift and straigten him out for >a while... >  During the regular season, when the intensity is down, not many teams have forwards who will continually go and park themselves in front of the opposing teams net...and the inadequacy of the Leafs defense in this regard thus didn't matter...however, the playoffs are a different story...every good team is going to have players who are going to become potted plants in front of Potvin...and the Leafs relatively unphysical defensive core will finally be exposed as weak an inept.  Hard work will go a long way during the regular season...almost to 100 points...and the Leafs deserve credit for that...but in the  playoffs talent matters, because everyone begins working hard.  Gerald
From: Mark Colaluca <mc89+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: TI Electronic Organizer - Model PS6600 Organization: Masters student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu  [Sorry if I posted this to the wrong place, wasn't sure where this should go...]  Model PS6600 - 64K memory, storage for telephone numbers, addresses, memos, schedule, calendar, calculator.  Password protection, 6 line display, full keyboard, 32 characters per line.  Search through all data storage areas for keywords, transmit to or receive entries via IBM compatible computers with optional interface kit.  Uses 2 AAA batteries, and 1 lithium battery for backup.  Also has world time, sound, still has 1 year Service Merchandise warranty left, with manual.  Sells new for $90, asking $65 (shipping included).   E-mail mc89+@andrew.cmu.edu 
From: gerhard@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Gerhard Fohler) Subject: phone number of wycliffe translators UK Organization: Technical University Vienna, Dept. for Realtime Systems, AUSTRIA Lines: 15  Sorry for bothering with a request almost irrelevant to anyone except for me: Could some kind soul provide me with the phone number of wycliffe center horsley green high wycomb bucks hp 14 3 xl I want to surprise a friend of mine staying there, but I don't have the number.  thanks a lot in advance  Gerhard  [Obviously email response is best.  What do people think of requests like this?  Unless things are very different in the UK and US, it should be possible to find this out by calling what we call "information". The netwide cost of a posting is fairly significant.  --clh]
From: JJMARVIN@pucc.princeton.edu Subject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait Organization: Princeton University Lines: 25  In article <Apr.15.00.58.22.1993.28891@athos.rutgers.edu> ruthless@panix.com (Ruth Ditucci) writes:   > One of the tell tale signs/fruits that give non-christians away - is >when their net replies are acrid, angry and sarcastic. > >We in the net village do have a laugh or two when professed, born again >christians verbally attack people who might otherwise have been won to >christianity and had originally joined the discussions because they were >"spiritually hungry."  Instead of answering questions with sweetness and >sincerity, these chrisitan net-warriors, "flame" the queries.   Although I certainly agree with the basic sentiment that snideness is unloving and ineffective, I'm a little disturbed by the formulation that ill temper is not a Christian trait. It seems like a false argument to say that anyone who displays trait X must not be a Christian. Could well be a sinning Christian, but a Christian nonetheless. Anger is human, and Christians are human: Christians get angry and defensive and react badly just like everyone else. It's not perfect righteousness but the effort of seeking righteousness that marks a dedicated Christian. And one of the greatest gifts of faith to me is that of seeking and accepting forgiveness for my failures. Expecting flawless behavior from self or others isn't Christianity: it's perfectionism.  
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University. Lines: 24  In article <23APR199302461670@zeus.tamu.edu> djh4484@zeus.tamu.edu (HARTY, DANIEL JOSEPH) writes: > "  A well regulated militia, being necessarry to the security of a free state, >   the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." > >  What is regulated? Regulated means "controlled"! How about security?  While it may mean that in 1993, the relevant meaning comes from 1789. Moreover, "controlled" doesn't tell you WHO's doing the controllling.  Fletcher's Political Works, pub'd in 1749, defines a "well-regulated militia", that being the relevant phrase, as being an armed people NOT under the control of govt.  The wigged gents who argued about the constituion used it in that way.  Feel free to provide a 1790s-era reference showing a usage other than "individual right, not to be interfered with by govt".  Note that the first clause has a meaning - it is a restriction on govt military power.  See Scarry's University of Penn law review article for an extended discussion.  The existence of a well-regulated militia is a necessary part of that restriction, but it is not sufficient.  -andy --
From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) Subject: The Kuebelwagen??!!           Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 12  	Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after  my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here.  	Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's? A replica would be great I think.    							-TKH '93  ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If I can convert a C=128 to a C128T, I can do anything... NOT!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 53 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu   In a previous article, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) says:  >In article <1qn4ev$3g2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes: >> >>In a previous article, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says: >> >>>In article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >>>>larger engine.  That's what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family >>>>sedan with a powerful engine.  They didn't even bother improving the >>>>*brakes.* >>> >>>	That shows how much you know about anything.  The brakes on the >>>SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around, >>>vented in front.  The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front,  >>>drums rear. >> >>one i saw had vented rears too...it was on a lot. >>of course, the sales man was a fool..."titanium wheels"..yeah, right.. >>then later told me they were "magnesium"..more believable, but still >>crap, since Al is so m uch cheaper, and just as good.... >> >>i tend to agree, tho that this still doesn't take the SHO up to "standard" >>for running 130 on a regular basis.  The brakes should be bigger, like >>11" or so...take a look at the  ones on the Corrados.(where they have >>braking regulations). > >Well, let's see...my T-Bird SC has a computer-controlled adjustable >suspension, 4-wheel ABS disks (11" vented front, 10" (?) rear), 3-point >belts, sturdy passenger compartment, aerodynamics good enough for  >NASCAR without too much change, 210 hp/310 ft-lb supercharged 3.8l V6, >4-wheel independent suspension (plus limited-slip differential), with  >a top speed in excess of 130mph, and rides on V-rated tires (I have yet >to find 225/60-R16s in any other speed rating).  > >Is that "up to standard"? If not, why not? > >				James  james, i really hate to do this, but try reading the damn posts! never was a t'bird mentioned.  The discussion was about SHO's and 'stangs not being up to spec.  I do not know about t'birds.  I only know that the specs quoted for the SHO by previous poster sounded a little anemic for me to say that it was up to snuff.  This does not in any way  disencourage* me from wishing to own one, nor does it make it a bad car.  It merely means that i think Ford could have added that extra bit of safety  and tossed in larger brakes, as the wheels are plenty large enough for them to fit (if memory serves right, which it may very well not) and the motor plenty powerful enough to need it.   c ya DREW
From: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662) Subject: Internationalization of Applications and Muulti-byte Characters Keywords: i18N Reply-To: slc@.cdc.com Organization: Metaphase Technology, Inc. Lines: 11  We are researching what support there is on various platforms for applications to use multi-byte characters (e.g., Japanese Kanji).  We know that Unix and X Windows can contain support for the i18N standard (depending on level and platform).  What support for i18N or wide characters exists on the Mac,  Windows 3.1 and Windows NT?  --  Steve Chesney                                    slc@catherine.cim.cdc.com      Metaphase Technology Inc.                        612-482-4662 (voice) 4233 North Lexington Avenue                      612-482-4001 (fax) Arden Hills, MN  55126
From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) Subject: Can OS/2 talk to Windows for Workgroups? Organization: Software Metrics Inc. Lines: 14   I'd like to get a system running OS/2 2.0 GA talking to a network of PCs running Windows for Workgroups.  Acting as a server would be wonderful, but client access would be enough.  Can I run WFW 's NET utilities in a DOS box?  Or is there a way to actually get OS/2 to talk to WFW?  Will OS/2 LanMan clients talk to WFW?  Dazed and confused,  --  [ /tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ] [       "stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth.  now pull ] [          up.  that's how the corrado makes you feel."  -- car, january '93 ]
From: victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS  1 204 488-1607 Lines: 30  alee@bmerh794.bnr.ca (Louis Leclerc) writes:  >  > In article <34263@oasys.dt.navy.mil> you write: > >VA, CT, Wash DC  and I think BC Canada where I've heard they actually > >use Radar detector detectors. >  > Nope, not in British Columbia.  Detectors are legal here in BC, I've even > got one. >  > In Alberta and Ontario they're illegal, and detection devices are sometimes > used.  I've heard the police in Ontario prefer a much more direct method of > detection.  Just trigger the radar gun, watch for people slamming on the > brakes, and search the car. >  >  > David Lee > leex@sfu.ca >    They are illegal here in Manitoba as well though I don't know what  methods are used to detect them.  It has always amazed me with the way the laws work.  It is not illegal to  sell them here in Manitoba, only to have them within a vehicle.  (Last I  heard, they don't have to be installed to be illegal.)  victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba  204 488-1607
From: pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au (Paul Blackman) Subject: Re: moving icons Article-I.D.: csc.1993Apr22.233213.7644 Organization: University of Canberra Lines: 20  In article <1bp0rAHPBh107h@viamar.UUCP> rutgers!viamar!kmembry writes: >I remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away >from the mouse as it moved near them.  Does anyone know the name >of this program and the ftp location (probably at cica) > The file is frite20.zip and you'll find it in the 'icons' directory at Cica.  The one line description is: Afflict Your Icons with "Cursorphobia"  ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~     o        |  Paul Blackman                   pwb@science.canberra.edu.au           o    |  Water Research Centre,             pwb@aerg.canberra.edu.au    o  _      |  Faculty of Applied Science   -- (") o   |  University of Canberra, Australia.     \_|_--   |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~       |      |  "Spend a little love and get high"     _/ \_    |                                    - Lenny Kravitz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: dh782@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Krsek) Subject: MS mouse newer as 8.6 Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 11 Reply-To: krsek2@jonas.zcu.cz NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu      Hello , I need a microsoft mouse driver, but newer as 8.6 for going in dos window under ms windows, but it is must be freeware. I have version 7.00 . 				 Tx  Mike --          .     .     ...  :``..':      : ````.'   :''::'    ..:..  :     .'' :
From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: I want that Billion Organization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park Lines: 18 Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu  In article <C663u5.IKC@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >>... C'mon. Allen is telling us how cheap we can get improved this >>or that...  > >Sure, you can get a heavylift launcher fairly cheap if you do it privately >rather than as a gummint project.  But we're still talking about something >that will cost nine digits per launch, unless you can guarantee a large >market to justify volume production.  "Let's make a deal!"  If you're going to put up a billion, I'd want to budget the whole sheebang for $450-600 million.  If I have that much money to throw around in the first place, you betcha I'm going to sign a contract committing to volume production...        Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it?   -- >                  SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU                        < --
From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) Subject: TEAM POOL STANDINGS Nntp-Posting-Host: lamar.acns.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523 Lines: 59  O.K., only one series is done.  But I need to post something.  By the way, the Islanders just scored.   Rank Team Name                  Points   Final 4   1. roland_behunin                  5   CAL-6 QUE-7 QUE-7    2. Milton_Keynes_Kings             0   DET-6 PIT-5 PIT-5       Barfly                          0   TOR-6 BOS-7 TOR-6       Dean's                          0   DET-5 PIT-5 PIT-7       Oz                              0   LAK-6 BOS-6 LAK-6       Garry                           0   TOR-6 BOS-6 BOS-4       Brian_Bergman                   0   DET-6 PIT-6 DET-6       Mopar_Muscle_Men                0   CHI-5 PIT-6 PIT-5       BH's_Last_Place_Picks           0   CHI-5 PIT-6 PIT-5       Dave_Wessels                    0   VAN-7 PIT-6 PIT-5       Sam_&_His_Dogs                  0   DET-6 PIT-5 PIT-5       Ye_Ding                         0   DET-6 PIT-5 PIT-6       Tampere_Stars                   0   CHI-6 PIT-6 PIT-6       The_Mighty_Hedgehogs_Of_Myllyp  0   CHI-6 BOS-6 BOS-6       Homesick_Hawaiian               0   VAN-7 PIT-6 PIT-5       Killer_Kings                    0   CHI-6 WAS-6 CHI-6       Puggy_Greybeards                0   DET-5 PIT-5 PIT-5       Ottawa_Bearcats                 0   TOR-5 PIT-6 TOR-6       Andrew_Kirk                     0   TOR-6 PIT-6 PIT-5       Muller_n_Walker                 0   DET-6 PIT-6 PIT-6       Excalibur                       0   DET-6 PIT-4 PIT-6       Rednecks_from_Hockey_Hell       0   DET-7 BOS-5 BOS-5       The_@$%@#$%_Rangers_of_1940     0   CHI-6 PIT-7 PIT-6       Jeff_Phelps                     0   DET-6 PIT-6 PIT-5       Arctic_Circles                  0   DET-6 PIT-6 PIT-4       Sludge                          0   DET-6 PIT-6 DET-6       The_Logistician                 0   DET-6 PIT-6 DET-7       Hillside_Raiders                0   CHI-6 BOS-6 BOS-7      Danielle                        0   CHI-5 QUE-7 QUE-7      Stanias_Stars                   0   CHI-6 BOS-7 BOS-6      BloodHook                       0   DET-5 PIT-5 PIT-5      Gilles_Carmel                   0   CHI-6 PIT-7 PIT-7      Pasi_Fr{nti                     0   LAK-7 PIT-5 PIT-6      Evan_Pritchard                  0   VAN-6 PIT-6 PIT-5      Skriko_Wolves                   0   DET-7 PIT-5 PIT-5      Rangers_Blow                    0   CAL-7 PIT-6 PIT-4      Sean                            0   DET-5 PIT-5 PIT-6      Schott_Shooters                 0   CHI-6 PIT-5 PIT-5      Gary_Shiff                      0   TOR-4 PIT-6 PIT-4      Mike_Burger                     0   DET-7 PIT-6 DET-7      Darse                           0   DET-6 PIT-6 PIT-6    ******************************************************************************* *  Mike Burger                    *  My Canada includes, Quebec, Ontario,     * *  mmb@lamar.colostate.edu        *  the Maritimes, the Prairies, and Florida * *  A Beginning Computing TA Stud  *  four months a year.                      * *  over 500 students served       *    --Royal Canadian Air Farce             * ******************************************************************************* *      University of Michigan - 1990  --  Colorado State University - 199?    * ******************************************************************************* 
From: andrew@calvin.dgbt.doc.ca (Andrew Patrick) Subject: Any Interest in a Mailing List on Epilepsy and Seizures? Nntp-Posting-Host: calvin.dgbt.doc.ca Organization: Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 36   I have seen a fair bit of traffic recently concerning Epilepsy and seizures.  I am also interested in this subject -- I have a son with Epilepsy and I am very active with the local association.  I posted a message like this a few months ago and received no replies, but here it is again.  Is anyone interested in participating in a mailing list on Epilepsy and seizures?  This would allow us to hold discussions and share information via electronic mail.  I already run a Listserver for two other groups, so the mechanics would be easy.  If you are interested, mail me a note.  If I get enough replies, I will make it happen and provide you with the details.  BTW, I have also started a database on Epilepsy.  This is part of my research on natural language question answering systems.  Users of this service are able to ask questions about Epilepsy and the program searches the database and retrieves its best response.  The technology works by comparing your question against a set of questions that have been seen before.  All new questions that are not answered are recorded and used to improve the system.  This database is still small and sparse, but we are adding new information.  To try it out, do the following  	telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca 	login: chat  	Then select the Epilepsy item from the menu of databases.  --  Andrew Patrick, Ph.D.       Communications Research Centre, Ottawa, CANADA                        andrew@calvin.dgbt.doc.CA                           For a good time, run "telnet debra.dgbt.doc.ca" and login as "chat".
From: kratz@cs.uiuc.edu (Jason Kratz) Subject: Re: criminals & machineguns Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Distribution: usa Lines: 52  In <1993Apr16.202441.16032@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:  >In article <93104.175256U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >>people are getting killed by gang violence every day?  Every single day I hear >>about more people getting killed by gang violence and see some of the weapons >>that are being confiscated.  >Is Kratz claiming that he can reliably visually distinguish an M-16 >from an AR-15?  That he can see the difference between a semi-auto and >a full-auto UZI?  That he can see the difference between the various >versions (some full-auto, some semi-auto only) of the M-11/9?  Well, let me see.  UZI, no.  M-11/9, no.  M-16/AR-15, maybe.  I remember there being a selector swtich on the AR-15.  If I remember correctly (please correct me if I'm wrong) the switch would set to an "off" position or an "on" position because the gun (AR-15) is semi-automatic.  Wouldn't the M-16 have a position for semi-auto fire and full-auto fire (or maybe 3 round bursts)?  If this is correct wouldn't it be easy to distinguish each gun by this alone?  Of course if the AR-15 were modified to full-auto fire I wouldn't think it would be that easy but I'm talking about distinguishing between an unmodified AR-15 and M-16. How about the other guns?  Do they also have selector switch to switch between semi-auto and fully-auto fire?  >If so, I'd love to hear the details, if only because they'll demonstrate >that Kratz is blowing smoke.  >Considering that one can design a gun so that it looks just like >another gun, yet have very different properties, and that that's >quite common....  >Most kids in my neighborhood were quite young when they figured out >that my parents car wasn't much like Richard Petty's, even though it >looked just like it (except for the paint job).  Things must have been >different with Kratz.  Actually it was pretty hard for the kids in my neighborhood to figure that out as Richard Petty lived in my neighborhood and left his stock car in the  driveway. ;-)  >>Sure it's on TV but why does that make a difference?  >No, it doesn't, but that's irrelevant.  If visual inspection of the >outside worked, TV would be acceptable, but since it doesn't, the fact >that it's just as good as seeing in person doesn't mean much.  Well, what about what I said above?  If that is correct I guess TV would be acceptable (if you had a good enough picture and a picture of the lower  receiver of the AR-15/M-16).  >-andy gave Kratz a chance to back down on this in private >-- Jason Kratz <- didn't take andy's offer to back down in private
From: datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 28  In article <30136@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes: >In article <1qjd3o$nlv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >>Firstly, science has its basis in values, not the other way round. >>So you better explain what objective atoms are, and how we get them >>from subjective values, before we go any further. > >Atoms are not objective.  They aren't even real.  What scientists call >an atom is nothing more than a mathematical model that describes  >certain physical, observable properties of our surroundings.  All >of which is subjective.    [rest deleted...]  You were a liberal arts major, weren'tcha?  Guess you never saw that photo of the smallest logo in the world-- "IBM" made with noble gas atoms (krypton? xenon? I forget the specifics).  Atoms, trees, electrons are all independently observable and verifiable. Morals aren't. See the difference?  Tep --  Men who love brown tend to be warm and deep, sensitive to the needs and desires of their partners. Sex is a 24 hour a day thing. Snuggling by the fire, walking in the rain or catching snowflakes on their tongue is a real turn-on to a lover of brown. (thanx becka!)
From: Doug Ward Subject: Drivers for Stealth 24 Reply-To: doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 7  I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 Video card and received the wrong drivers.  Does anyone know where I can ftp the proper drivers?  The dstlth file at cica does not work with this video card.  Please respond to doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu  Thank you Doug Ward
From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net  In article <1993Apr23.001718.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >In article <1r6b7v$ec5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >>  Besides this was the same line of horse puckey the mining companies claimed >> when they were told to pay for  restoring land  after strip mining. >=== >I aint talking the large or even the "mining companies" I am talking the small >miners, the people who have themselves and a few employees (if at all).The >people who go out every year and set up thier sluice box, and such and do >mining the semi-old fashion way.. (okay they use modern methods toa point).   Lot's of these small miners  are no longer miners.  THey are people living rent free on Federal land,  under the claim of being a miner.  The facts are many of these people do not sustaint heir income from mining,  do not often even live their full time,  and do fotentimes do a fair bit of environmental damage.  These minign statutes were created inthe 1830's-1870's  when the west was uninhabited  and were designed to bring people into the frontier.  Times change people change.  DEAL.  you don't have a constitutional right to live off the same industry forever.  Anyone who claims the have a right to their job in particular,  is spouting nonsense.   THis has been a long term federal welfare program,  that has outlived it's usefulness.  pat
From: tomc@cirrus.com (Tom Crawford) Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? Distribution: usa Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc. Lines: 18  In <1r3mmnINN4p1@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> henslelf@nextwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu. (Lige F Hensley) writes:  >In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu> jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason   >Haines) writes: >>  >> 	I was wondering if people had any good uses for old >> 256k SIMMs.  I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac >> and I know lots of other people do to.  I have tried to >> sell them but have gotten NO interest. >>  >> 	So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy >> some SIMMs  8-) ) >Sure I'll give you 10 bucks for all of them  I think they are really neat to put onto key rings.  When somebody makes the mistake of asking about it, you can *totally* geek out.  tc
From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) Subject: Re: Riddle me this... Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 24 Distribution: world Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com  In article 1r1lp1INN752@mojo.eng.umd.edu, chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.050550.4660@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER  M) writes: >>Does a "not harmful" gassing mean that you can, with a little willpower, >>stay inside indefinitely without suffering any serious health problems? >> >>If so, why was CS often employed against tunnels in Vietnam? >> >>What IS the difference, anyway? > >CS "tear-gas" was used in Vietnam because it makes you wretch so hard that >your stomach comes out thru your throat.  Well, not quite that bad, but >you can't really do much to defend yourself while you are blowing cookies. > >Chuck Harris - WA3UQV >chuck@eng.umd.edu >   Interesting... after several hours worth of exposure, do you still posess the presence of mind to be able to determine how to escape from an inferno surrounding you?  In other words, is it possible that the prolonged gassing disoriented the wackos enough that possibility of escape was rendered questionable? 
From: s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) Subject: Re: Playoff predictions Organization: University of Western Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca Lines: 50  smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) writes:  > OK, I'll join in the fun and give my playoff predictions:  >  > 1st round:  > ---------- >  > PITT vs NYI:  PITT in 4.   > WASH vs NJD:  WASH in 6.  >  > BOS  vs BUF:  BOS  in 5.  > QUE  vs MON:  MON  in 7.  >  > CHI  vs STL:  CHI in 4.  > DET  vs TOR:  DET in 6.  >  > VAN  vs WIN:  WIN in 6.  > CAL  vs  LA:  CAL in 5.  >  > 2nd round:  > ---------- >  > PITT vs WASH: PITT in 4.  > BOS  vs MON:  BOS  in 6.  >  > CHI  vs DET:  CHI  in 7.  > WIN  vs CAL:  CAL  in 5.  >  > 3rd round:  > ---------- >  > PITT vs BOS:  PITT in 5.  > CHI  vs CAL:  CHI  in 5.  >  > Finals: > ------ >  > PITT vs CHI: PITT in 5.  >  >  > ============================================= > Walter >           Not bad, you only got 2 wrong,...         Cal over Chi in 5         and Cal over Pit in 6 (or 7) to take the SC  s4lawren@sms.business.uwo.ca (Stephen Lawrence) Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: new Multiple Sclerosis drug? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 13  In article <12252@news.duke.edu> adm@neuro.duke.edu (Alan Magid) writes: >Disclaimer: I speak only for myself.   So just what was it you wanted to say?    --  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) Subject: Re: Hot-key for Screen Saver? Organization: George Washington University Lines: 6   Well, renaming screensavers (.scr) to .exe, and running them, as has been pposted, (I haven't tried changing win.ini , but should have same effect) shows me the "setup" dialog. box, butdoesn't enable the saver.  Mickey
From: kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net  In article <19600@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: > Keith is the only person I have ever heard of that keeps the weight > off without any conscious effort to control eating behavior.  ... most > of us have to diet a lot to keep from going back to morbid obesity.  I attribute my success to several factors:  Very low fat.  Except when someone else has cooked a meal for me, I only eat fruit, vegetables, and whole grain or bran cereals.  I estimate I only get about 5 to 10 percent of my calories from fat.  Very little sugar or salt.  Very high fiber.  Most Americans get about 10 grams.  25 to 35 are recommended.  I get between 50 and 150.  Sometimes 200.  (I've heard of people taking fiber pills.  It seems unlikely that pills can contain enough fiber to make a difference.  It would be about as likely as someone getting fat by popping fat pills.  Tablets are just too small, unless you snarf down hundreds of them daily.)  My "clean your plate" conditioning works *for* me.  Eating the last 10% takes half my eating time, and gives satiety a chance to catch up, so I don't still feel hungry and go start eating something else.  I don't eat when I'm not hungry (unless I'm sure I'll get hungry shortly, and eating won't be practical then).  I bike to work, 22 miles a day, year round.  Fast.  I also bike to stores, movies, and everywhere else, as I've never owned a car. I estimate this burns about 1000 calories a day.  It also helps build and maintain muscle mass, prevent insulin resistance (diabetes runs in my family), and increase my metabolism.  (Even so, my metabolism is so low that when I'm at rest I'm most comfortable with a temperature in the 90s (F), and usually wear a sweater if it drops to 80.)  Cycling also motivates me to avoid every excess ounce.  (Cyclists routinely pay a premium for cycling products that weigh slightly less than others.  But it's easier and cheaper to trim weight from the rider than from the vehicle.)  There's no question in my mind that my metabolism is radically different from that of most people who have never been fat.  Fortunately, it isn't different in a way that precludes excellent health.  Obviously, I can't swear that every obese person who does what I've done will have the success I did.  But I've never yet heard of one who did try it and didn't succeed.  > I think all of us cycle.  One's success depends on how large the > fluctuations in the cycle are.  Some people can cycle only 5 pounds.  I'm sure everyone's weight cycles, whether or not they've ever been fat. I usually eat extremely little salt.  When I do eat something salty, my weight can increase overnight by as much as ten pounds.  It comes off again over a week or two. --  Keith Lynch, kfl@access.digex.com  f p=2,3:2 s q=1 x "f f=3:2 q:f*f>p!'q  s q=p#f" w:q p,?$x\8+1*8
From: ejalbert@husc3.harvard.edu Subject: Re: Monophysites and Mike Walker Organization: Harvard University Science Center Lines: 113  In article <May.6.00.34.58.1993.15426@geneva.rutgers.edu>, db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: >>		- Mike Walker  >>  >>[If you are using the standard formula of fully God and fully human, >>that I'm not sure why you object to saying that Jesus was human.  I >>think the usual analysis would be that sin is not part of the basic >>definition of humanity.  It's a consequence of the fall.  Jesus is >>human, but not a fallen human.  --clh] >  I differ with our moderator on this.  I thought the whole idea of God coming down to earth to live as one of us "subject to sin and death" (as one of the consecration prayers in the Book of Common Prayer (1979) puts it) was that Jesus was tempted, but did not succumb.  If sin is not part of the basic definition of humanity, then Jesus "fully human" (Nicea) would not be "subject to sin", but then the Resurrection loses some of its meaning, because we encounter our humanity most powerfully when we sin.  To distinguish between "human" and "fallen human" makes Jesus less like one of us at the time we need him most.  > [These issues get mighty subtle.  When you see people saying different > things it's often hard to tell whether they really mean seriously > different things, or whether they are using different terminology.  I > don't think there's any question that there is a problem with > Nestorius, and I would agree that the saying Christ had a human form > without a real human nature or will is heretical.  But I'd like to be > a bit wary about the Copts, Armenians, etc.  Recent discussions > suggest that their monophysite position may not be as far from > orthodoxy as many had thought.  Nestorius was an extreme > representative of one of the two major schools of thought.  More > moderate representatives were regarded as orthodox, e.g. Theodore of > Mopsuestia.  My impression is that the modern monophysite groups > inherit the entire tradition, not just Nestorius' version, and that > some of them may have a sufficient balanced position to be regarded as > orthodox.  --clh]  First, the Monophysites inherited none of Nestorius's version -- they  were on the opposite end of the spectrum from him.  Second, the historical record suggests that the positions attributed to Nestorius were not as extreme as his (successful) opponents (who wrote the conventional history) claimed.  Mainly Nestorius opposed the term Theotokos for Mary, arguing (I think correctly) that a human could not be called Mother of God.  I mean, in the Athanasian Creed we talk about the Son "uncreate" -- surely even  Arians would concede that Jesus existed long before Mary.  Anyway, Nestorius's opponents claimed that by saying Mary was not Theotokos, that he claimed that she only gave birth to the human nature of Jesus, which would require two seperate and distinct natures.  The argument fails though, because Mary simply gave birth to Jesus, who preexisted her either divinely, if you accept "Nestorianism" as commonly defined, or both natures intertwined, a la Chalcedon.  Second, I am not sure that "Nestorianism" is not a better alternative than the orthodox view.  After all, I find it hard to believe that pre-Incarnation that Jesus's human nature was in heaven; likewise post-Ascension.  I think rather that God came to earth and took our nature upon him.  It was a seperate nature, capable of being tempted as in Gethsemane (since I believe the divine nature could never be tempted) but in its moments of weakness the divine nature prevailed.  Comments on the above warmly appreciated.  Jason Albert  [There may be differences in what we mean by "subject to sin".  The original complaint was from someone who didn't see how we could call Jesus fully human, because he didn't sin.  I completely agree that Jesus was subject to temptation.  I simply object to the idea that by not succumbing, he is thereby not fully human.  I believe that you do not have to sin in order to be human.  I again apologize for confusing Nestorianism and monophysitism.  I agree with you, and have said elsewhere, that there's reason to think that not everyone who is associated with heretical positions was in fact heretical.  There are scholars who maintain that Nestorius was not Nestorian.  I have to confess that the first time I read some of the correspondence between Nestorius and his opponents, I thought he got the better of them.  However, most scholars do believe that the work that eventually led to Chalcedon was an advance, and that Nestorius was at the very least "rash and dogmatic" (as the editor of "The Christological Controversy" refers to him) in rejecting all approaches other than his own.  As regular Usenet readers know, narrowness can be just as much an impediment as being wrong.  Furthermore, he did say some things that I think are problematical.  He responds to a rather mild letter from Cyril with a flame worthy of Usenet.  In it he says "To attribute also to [the Logos], in the name of [the incarnation] the characteristics of the flesh that has been conjoined with him ... is, my brother, either the work of a mind which truly errs in the fashion of the Greeks or that of a mind diseased with the insane heresy of Arius and Apollinaris and the others.  Those who are thus carried away with the idea of this association are bound, because of it, to make the divine Logos have a part in being fed with milk and participate to some degree in growh and stand in need of angelic assistance because of his fearfulness ...  These things are taken falsely when they are put off on the deity and they become the occasion of just condemnation for us who perpetrate the falsehood."  It's all well and good to maintain a proper distinction between humanity and divinity.  But the whole concept of incarnation is based on exactly the idea that the divine Logos does in fact have "to some degree" a part in being born, growing up, and dying.  Of course it must be understood that there's a certain indirectness in the Logos' participation in these things.  But there must be some sort of identification between the divine and human, or we don't have an incarnation at all.  Nestorius seemed to think in black and white terms, and missed the sorts of nuances one needs to deal with this area.  You say "I find it hard to believe that pre-Incarnation that Jesus's human nature was in heaven."  I don't think that's required by orthodox doctrine.  It's the divine Logos that is eternal.  --clh]
From: ardie@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ardie Mack) Subject: Re: Windows zip/unzip Organization: Department of Plant Pathology Lines: 15  I>From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Costas Malamas) >Subject: Re: Windows zip/unzip >Date: 28 Apr 93 22:31:55 GMT >In article <1rl9b6$h3c@sol.deakin.OZ.AU> russ@deakin.OZ.AU (Russ Sharp) writes: >>We are using pkzip V2.04 and I am interested to hear from >>people who have used one of the many Windows programs that >>call these. >>Is there a full windows version that does not call the DOS  >>PKZIP/PKUNZIP commands? >>-- >>Russ Sharp    russ@deakin.edu.au    ph (052)27 1141    fax (052)27 2015  \  / > >There is WunArchive, the replacement of WunZip.  It only extracts, but it  ssupports pkzip 2.04.  It does NOT require pkz/unzip in order to work, and  ccosts only $10 to register.
From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov Subject: Re: Assurance of Hell Organization: FNAL/AD/Net Lines: 142  In article <Apr.21.03.26.39.1993.1370@geneva.rutgers.edu> lfoard@hopper.virginia.edu (Lawrence C. Foard) writes:  [ -and many others mailed me.  Here is a reply to one of the letters.  Seems to me that atheist do not like the doctrine of hell!]  >There's nothing like a preacher to put fear into an >     ignorant man...  >If God hadn't created Hell in the first place, there'd be no >     no need to "die" and save us.  Isn't it also a bit paradoxical >     to say "God died" when, in fact, no such thing is remotely >     possible.  Can the infinite die?  Your using 20th century concepts to interprete 1st century writers.  Of course, in your termonology, God could not "cease to exist."  However, that is not what death ever means in the Scriptures.  If you will study the word, you will see that it signifies "separation."  Death is separation, not ceastation.  This is the reason for the agony of the cross.  For the first time in eternity, one member of the Godhead was separated from the other two.    I once met a young lady that was as beautiful as any model that ever lived.  She was as personable as any saint ever imagined.  She was to become my "girlfriend" for several years.  However, having been drafted, we were separated by distance.  To me that was a form of death.  Later, she decided that she couldn't wait for me to come home and bid me adue.  That to me was death.  It was separation from that which had made me whole.  Death is separation and eternal death is eternal separation from His fellowship, not because He chose to send you into outer darkness, but because you chose to go there.    >> did you know that Jesus talked more >> about hell than He did about heaven!    >Thank you for this info.  What respect I had for the man now >     has been diminished tenfold.  I promise never again to >     say how wise or loving this man was...  When I rebelled against my earthly father, he spanked me.  I found no wisdom in that until I had grown older and especially until I had my own children.  He was trying to guide me away from hurt that would enter my life if I continued on my suicidal course.  He did it in love though I interpreted it as harsh and unloving.  If God warns of impending danger, that is love.  If choose to let us do as we please, and then at the end tell us the rules, that would be harsh.  You have a conscience, no matter how calused or fallen it is, that witnesses to you that a thing is wrong and that there is cause for fear.    >Being Jesus was allegedly God, I doubt he could honestly feel >     the pinpricks man dealt him...  This may give light to the error of your understanding.  One must have correct knowledge in order to have correct faith.  Faith and knowledge are inseparable.  Jesus most certainly felt the "pinpricks" of life.  As the Scripture say:  Heb. 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.  The kenosis passage of Phil 2 states that He gave up His Godhead attributes when He took upon Himself humanity.  It has been a favorite meditation of mine to think about this.  It was to be my PhD thesis.  "The Consciousness of Christ."  I have talked at length with a great many people about this interesting study, including clh.    It is my conclussion that as Jesus, the 2nd member of the Trinity, actually suffered as we do.  He became part of the human race and experienced it as we do.  He "grew in knowledge."  He chose not to grasp His omniscience, but chose to be taught.  It is my understanding that He was "led of the Spirit" to such an extent that sometimes it is hard to distinquish between Jesus the man and Jesus as God.  But in Jn 8 where the adulterous women was thrown before Him, the tenses are quite clear in that the whole situation took Him by surprise.  That is, He was not aware that this event was to take place in time.  He was living sequential history as you or I.    Maybe some other time we can discuss this, but it is a very lengthy discussion and one that causes the curcuit breakers of the brain to pop more often than not.  >Thanks again for the info.  Just so you know, some friends and I >     are starting a Freethinkers organization-- and I'm going to >     use some of the info you provided for an organization intro- >     duction... :-)  I was once a member of that club.  THe "free thinker" is a glorious ideal.  By contrast, of course, you believe that the believer is the unforunate repository of everything that is dogmatic, inhibited, reactionary and repressive.  I find such a stance to be as amusing as it is absurd.   If the liberal humanist wishes to criticize a Christian or a Buddhist or a Marxist, that is his right.  But what he must not pretend is that he was led to this solely by his "rational doubt" when in fact he was led to it by his "faith".  He must acknowledge that while it is rational doubt for him as a "free thinker" to criticize the Christian, it might equally be a rational doubt for the Christian to criticize him as a humanist.  If there is no faith, there can be no dout.  There is no faith which cannot choose to cast doubt on some other faith.  Pascal pointed out that "sceptical arguments allow the positive to be positive.  Few. . .speak dubiously of scepticism."  The fact that skeptics are not skeptical about skepticism is further evidence that to doubt anything we must believe in something else!  THe person who is skeptical toward one faith or even most faiths, will be the devoted adherent of another.  In fact, it is a measure of his poverty both that he is unaware of it and that he can define himself only in negative terms, hence the term "a"-theist.  Some people claim otherwise and argue vociferously for complete skepticism.  In my campus ministry I ran across this more times than I care to remember.  However, they disproved their own argument with every thought, every word, every point of logic that they used.  Every moment of shared communication speaks against their total skepticism.  Their very insistence of trying to make sense is eloquent testimony to assumptions that are powerful though silent.  That is to say, that complete skepticism is impossible and limited skepticism is arbitrary.  Next time you're in a room of skeptics, yell out "Look, your fly is undone!"  Each person chooses what he is skeptical about and what he believes without skepticism.  To stress this is to belabor the obvious, but it underlines the point that no one can know exhaustively how he knows what he knows.  Pure objectivism is a myth and complete skepticism an impossiblity.  The answer to this impasse lies in  a 3rd way of knowing, one which is based on presuppositions.  But if knowledge proceeds on what must be presupposed before it is proved, the cover is blown on the pretentions of critical doubt, and critical doubt depends on the idea that human knowledge is totally objective and neutral.  In other words, another myth.    Presuppositions my friend.  It is impossible to doubt anything unless there is something we do not doubt -our own assumptions/presuppostions.  Even these can be criticezed only upon the basis of other assumptions.  Presuppostitons are our silent partners in thought but their silence must not be mistaken for absence.  >  I tell you what-- if God condemns me for being honest, He is >    unworthy of my worship.  Better to burn in Hell than to >     serve a tyrant in Heaven..  Of course that is hardly an original statement.  Milton coined it but it had been in use for millenia.  It was even used in the first "Highlander" movie.  But again, your presuption is based on a faulty knowledge of the character of God.  You are operating off of a presuppositional premise of humanistic theology, not what He has revealed of Himself through history, through His prophets, through His Word, and lastly, but most of all, thru His Son.  If you are to reject God's annointed savior, then reject Him from a correct understanding of Himself.  --Rex
From: ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Ian Farquhar) Subject: Re: ATARI 2600 Processors Organization: Macquarie University, Sydney Australia Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au  In article <1r847f$kp7@uniwa.uwa.edu.au> john@gu.uwa.edu.au (John West) writes: >ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Ian Farquhar) writes: >>Wrong, it has a 6507.  >For those who would like to know, the 6507 was a 6502 without IRQ or NMI, >and with only 13 address lines (giving 8K memory space).  Yes, but still not a 6502 for those differences.  Same instruction set, of course.  >>It had one custom chip (not an ASIC in the sense that word is now understood): >>the TIA (sometimes known as the 6526, although most other manufacturers list >>that as the CIA complex interface adapter.)  TIA stands for Television >>Interface Adapter, and it handles sound, paddles and the minimal video hardware >>the 2600 possessed.  >Didn't know about it being called the 6526 - thats the CIA found in the >Commodore 64 (I don't believe this chip existed when the 2600 was around).  Yes, the same number, but an entirely different device.  I should have qualified this further by stating that this was the PAL version of the TIA - I am not 100% sure that the NTSC TIA would have a different number.  >The TIA was mapped into the bottom 128 bytes of page 0, and shadowed in the >bottom 128 bytes of page 1. To get an image on the screen, you had to wait >until the raster line your picture started at, load bitmaps for this line >into the 'sprite' registers, tell them what x positions to take, how many >duplicates you wanted, etc, then do it all again for the next line. This >took all of the processor's time during the visible portion of the >display.  Does anyone on the net actually have details of the TIA, as this is the only device I have not yet discovered details about?  Atari Australia, when asked, claimed that their attempts to get the programmers documentation for the 2600 had failed, as the US head office had refused to provide it.  >to chip selects. The 6507 likes to have ROM right at the top of memory, so >the 2600 had to use ROMs with active high chip selects - not exactly >normal, so some cartriges had a 7404 in them to convert this to the more >usual active low chip select.  I saw a couple of cheaper devices with PN2222's and a couple of resistors hooked up as a cheap inverter.  Nasty, but workable, and cheaper than a 7404 inverter if labor costs almost nothing.  							Ian.
From: nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 11  timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes:  >Rule #4:  Don't mix apples with oranges.  How can you say that the >extermination by the Mongols was worse than Stalin?  Khan conquered people >unsympathetic to his cause.  That was atrocious.  But Stalin killed millions of >his own people who loved and worshipped _him_ and his atheist state!!  How can >anyone be worse than that?  You're right.  And David Koresh claimed to be a Christian.  
Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie From: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu Organization: Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu Lines: 28  In article <115621@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: > In article <1993Apr15.135650.28926@st-andrews.ac.uk> nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) writes: >  >>I don't think you're right about Germany.  My daughter was born there and >>I don't think she has any German rights eg to vote or live there (beyond the >>rights of all EC citizens).  She is a British citizen by virtue of >>her parentage, but that's not "full" citizenship.  For example, I don't think >>her children could be British by virtue of her in the same way. >  > I am fairly sure that she could obtain citizenship by making an > application for it. It might require immigration to Germany, but > I am almost certain that once applied for citizenship is inevitable > in this case.  Nope, Germany has extremely restrictive citizenship laws.  The  ethnic Germans who have lived in Russia for over 100 years  automatically become citizens if they move to Germany, but the Turks who are now in their third generation in Germany can't. It's not a very good example to show citizenship without descent.  Karl  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- | "Lastly, I come to China in the hope      | "All you touch and all you see  | | of fulfilling a lifelong ambition -       | Is all your life will ever be." | | dropping acid on the Great Wall."  --Duke |                 --Pink Floyd    | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| |         A Lie is still a Lie even if 3.8 billion people believe it.         |  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) Subject: Re: Glutamate Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera Lines: 15 Distribution: world Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu  In article <1993Apr18.163212.9577@walter.bellcore.com>, jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) writes: =There is no contradiction here. It is essential in the sense that your =body needs it. It is non-essential in the sense that your body can =produce enough of it without supplement.  And when you're in a technical discussion of amino acids, it's the latter definition that's used almost universally. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL  Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center From: <MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu> Subject: Playoff consecutive loss record? Lines: 20  With the recent demise of the Chicago Blawkhawks (much to my delight) I noticed their 8 (?) game playoff losing streak (4 to the Pens last year, and now 4 to the Blues) and I am wondering what the NHL record for consecutive losses is, if there even is one...  I'm pretty sure that the Hawks have at least a 9 game losing  streak, since they've had to have lost a series since their last championship (whenever that was)  Basically, I need something else to rag on my Hawks-fan friend with :)  Mike, the insomniaced --- ***Yes-Rush-Marillion-Emerson, Lake and Palmer-Genesis-Dream Theater*** * Mike Weintraub, aka Jvi on IRC   ________.sig Quote du Jour________ * * mweintr@american.edu            |"Life is like a scissors-paper-   |* * jedi@wave.cerf.net              | stone game, none of the answers  |* * The American University         | is always right, but sometimes   |* * Washington, DC                  |_each one is"__Neil Peart, Rush___|* ***Go Philadelphia Phillies and Vancouver Canucks (3 down, 13 to go)***
Subject: Re: W4WG & Novell From: cctr132@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Nick FitzGerald, PC Software Consultant, CSC, UoC, NZ) Reply-To: Nick FitzGerald <n.fitzgerald@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Nntp-Posting-Host: cantva.canterbury.ac.nz Lines: 27  In article <1rh2mi$ea4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, bilan@cps.msu.edu (Thomas J Bilan) writes:  > If I put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys, NETX will run but I can't access > drive f: to log in to Novell.   > If I don't put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys I can't access other W4WG  > drives from the file-manager. > > It seems that there should be a way to make NETX work with the LASTDRIVE =  > statement in my Config.Sys.  First off, I haven't used W4WG (but I think that's about to change!).  The problem is the LASTDRIVE command and the way NetWare in general (and in this case NETX in particular) adds drives to the device chain.  Setting LASTDRIVE=Z means there are no "unassigned" (as opposed to "unused") drive letters for NetWare to use, as it tacks its drive mappings -onto the end- of the existing list of drives.  W4WG obviously attaches its network drives to "existing, unused" drive letters.  I'd guess the next thing I'd try is something like LASTDRIVE=M, which on most machines will leave a fair swathe of drives for W4WG and still allow up to 13 NetWare drive mappings as well.  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  Nick FitzGerald, PC Applications Consultant, CSC, Uni of Canterbury, N.Z.  n.fitzgerald@csc.canterbury.ac.nz  TEL:+64(3)364 2337, FAX:+64(3)364 2332
Subject: Another travesty at the Joe Louis From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 13  (Detroit, April 21)  Most knowledgable observers once again watched in shock as the Detroit Red Wings again beat the best goaltender in the world six times en route to  another easy victory over the best team in the NHL.   For the best goaltender in the world, Felix Potvin, six was a bad number as he surrendered six goals and collected six minutes in penalties in reponse to the goon tactics employed by the inferior Red Wings team.   								Alan  P.S. We told you this would happen, Roger. Didn't we? I love it.....
From: craigb@rs6312.ecs.rpi.edu (Brian Craig) Subject: Polk S4 's forsale Nntp-Posting-Host: rs6312.ecs.rpi.edu Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY Distribution: misc.forsale Lines: 14    Pair of Polk S4 for sale   Brand New never opened  $220.00  craigb@rpi.edu      
From: revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille) Subject: Re: Is this ethical? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 19  Just a quick comment.  As a baptist clergyperson, I find the idea of such a "baptism" (if the news report is in fact accurate, and they seldom are regarding religion) offensive.  The pastor here seems to have a most unbaptist view of baptism- one that seems to demand the ceremony even when comprehension and choice are absent.  We do baptize converts, but no one who has been deceived into hearing the word is likely to be a convert.  If in fact the grace of God might work in such a situation, there is no harm done in waiting a day or two.  Baptist believe in regenerate membership.  Did this church include these half-baked (at best) converts into their church fellowship? Or do they somehow feel there is some validity in dunking them and turning them loose?  This kind of "evangelism" is certainly not baptist, and probably not very christian, either.  revdak@netcom.com
From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Solid state vs. tube/analog Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 20 Distribution: sci NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net  In article <C6479K.6BA.1@cs.cmu.edu> 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) writes: | |Also, ask any electric-guitar enthusiast which type of amp they prefer, and |they'll tell you tube-type, since tubes have lower distortion and noise |than transistors.  'Course, most of your electric guitar types just say >"Tubes sound better, dude." :-) >  Of course,  they then  turn up the REverb, the Gain,  add in the analog delay line  and the Fuzz box.  I'd think they wouldn't notice the distortion.   Oh I forgot the phase shifters.  >Also, transistors have the advantage in both waste-heat and energy-use, >mainly because of the heaters on the cathodes of the tubes.   Ah,  but how do they compare to Mechanical systems :-)  pat 
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From: ciarlett@mizar.usc.edu (Joni Ciarletta) Subject: Honda Accord Brake Problem Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 26 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu  My Honda Accord just hit the magic 100,000 mile mark and now all sorts of things are beginning to go bad. The latest problem I am experiencing is with my brakes.  They still stop the car fine, but once I am stopped completely, my brake pedal will sink another 2 or 3 inches all by itself.  If feels really strange, and I am worried my brakes will quit working one of these days.  I checked my brake fluid, and the reservoir was full, but the fluid itself looked really dirty (like dirty oil).  I called my mechanic and he told me I need a new brake master cylinder, which will cost me a whopping $250-300.  I was just wondering if anyone out there has experienced this sort of thing.  If so, is my mechanic being honest? Or do I simply need to have my brakes bled and new fluid put in?  Any help you could provide would be appreciated.  Please send replies directly to me, as I rarely have a chance to read this list.  I will post the responses if there is any interest.  Thanks,  Joni ciarlett@mizar.usc.edu 
From: jahonen@cc.lut.fi (Jarmo Ahonen) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots Nntp-Posting-Host: cc.lut.fi Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland Lines: 13  kissane@black.Berkeley.EDU (John G. Kissane) writes:  >As a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the US while  >here in Europe they are rare??? Just wondering..... >--   Many cars sold here in Finland are *small* and *cheap* cars (at least when compared to other cars --- note that we have over 120 % car tax).  And you couldn't expect a good auto mated to a 1.3 L engine?  Most of the bigger cars are, however, sold with autos. 
From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) Subject: Re: SSPX schism ? Organization: none Lines: 138  In article <Apr.20.03.03.06.1993.3836@geneva.rutgers.edu> shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) writes:     You ask where we are.  I would echo that question.  I'm not trying to be    contentious.  But assuming that the Pope has universal jurisdiction    and authority, what authority do you rely upon for your decisions?    What prevents me from choosing ANY doctrine I like and saying that    Papal disagreement is an error that will be resolved in time?    This is especially true, since Councils of Bishops have basically    stood by the Pope.  The ultimate question is the traditional theology of the Church.  This is the *only* thing that it is possible to resist a Pope for: his departure from the traditional doctrine of the Church.  If commands from *any* authority conflict with Tradition, the commands must be disobeyed.  My own view on this is that this conflict could only happen in a major way.  God would never allow a hair-splitting situation to develop; it would be too complex for people to figure out.  I don't view the present situation in the Church as anything extremely complicated. Run through a list of what has happened in the last 30 years in the Catholic Church, and any impartial observer will be aghast.     It appears that much of what lies at the heart of this matter is    disagreements over what is tradition and Tradition, and also over    authority and discipline.    The problems stem from a general widespread ignorance of the Catholic Faith, in my opinion.  Most Catholics know about zilch about the Catholic Faith; this leaves them wide open for destruction by erring bishops.  It's basically the Reformation part II.  There is not even a question in my mind that in some respects the shards of the Catholic Church are currently being trampled upon by the Catholic hierarchy.  I could go on listing shocking things for an hour, probably.  Take the situation in Campos, Brazil, for example.  I'm reading a book on what happened there after Vatican Council II.  The bishop, Antonio de Castro-Mayer, never introduced all the changes that followed in the wake of Vatican II.  He kept the traditional Mass, the same old catechisms, etc.  He made sure the people knew their faith, the Catholic theology of obedience, what Modernism was, etc.  He innoculated the people against what was coming.  Well, one day the order came from Rome for his retirement.  It came when the Pope was sick.  Bishop de Castro-Mayer waited until the Pope recovered, then inquired whether this command was what the Pope really wanted, or something that some Liberal had commanded in his absence. The Pope confirmed the decision.  So the good bishop retired.  The injustice that followed was completely incredible.  A new bishop was installed.  He proceeded to expel most of bishop de Castro-Mayer's clergy from their churches, because they refused to celebrate the New Mass.  The new bishop would visit a parish, and celebrate a New Mass. The people would promptly walk out of the church en masse.  The bishop was *enraged* by this.  He usually resorted to enlisting the help of the secular authorities to eject the priest from the church.  The priests would just start building new churches; the people were completely behind them.  The old parishes had the New Mass, as the bishop desired -- and virtually no parishioners.  The prime motivation for all this was completely illegal, according to canon law.  No priest can be penalized in any way for saying the traditional Mass, because of legislation enacted by Pope Saint Pius V. Nor is there any obligation to say the New Mass.  During all this process, the people of Campos, not just private individuals, but including civil authorities, were constantly sending petitions and letters to Rome to do something about the new Modernist bishop.  NOTHING was ever done; no help ever arrived from Rome. Eventually 37 priests were kicked out, and about 40,000 people.     My question to the supporters of SSPX is this:  	 Is there ANY way that your positions with respect to church reforms 	 could change and be conformed to those of the Pope? (assuming that 	 the Pope's position does not change and that the leaders of SSPX 	 don't jointly make such  choice.)     If not, this appears to be claiming infallible teaching authority.    If I adopt the view that "I'm NOT wrong, I CAN'T be wrong, and    there's NO WAY I'll change my mind, YOU must change yours", that    I've either left the Catholic Church or it has left me.  If the Pope defines certain things ex cathedra, that would be the end of the controversy.  That process is all very well understood in Catholic theology, and anyone who doesn't go along with it is an instant non-Catholic.  The problem here is that people do not appreciate what is going on in the Catholic world.  If they knew the Faith, and what our bishops are doing, they would be shocked!     We sould argue from now until the Second Coming about what the "real"    traditional teaching of the Church is.  If this were a simple matter    East and West would not have been separated for over 900 years.  This isn't the case in the Catholic Church.  There is a massive body of traditional teaching.  The Popes of the last 150 years are especially relevant.  There is no question at all what the traditional doctrine is.     I thought that the teaching magisterieum of the church did not allow    error in teachings regarding faith and morals even in the short term.`    I may be wrong here, I'm not Roman Catholic. :-)  That's heresy, more or less.  Although they have done a great job since the Reformation, the last 30 years have seen so many errors spread that it's pitiful.  Infallibility rests in the Pope, and in the Church as a whole.  In the short term, a Pope, or large sections of the Church can go astray.  In fact, that's what usually happens during a major heresy: large sections of the Church go astray.  (The Pope historically has been much more reliable.)  Everything will always come back in the long run.     What would be the effect of a Pope making an ex cathedra statement    regarding the SSPX situation?  Would it be honored?  If not, how    do you get around the formal doctrine of infallibility?    Again, I'm not trying to be contentions, I'm trying to understand.    Since I'm Orthodox, I've got no real vested interest in the outcome,    one way or the other.  Yes, it would be honored.  Infallibility is infallibility.  But what is he going to define?  That the New Mass is a better expression of the Catholic Faith than the old?  That sex education in the Catholic schools is wonderful?  That all religions are wonderful except for that professed by the Popes prior to Vatican II?     It does if the command was legitimate.  SSPX does not view the    Pope's commands as legitimate.  Why?  This is a VERY slippery slope.  Not really; start studying the major Catholic theologians of the last 300 years.  Everything is very well spelled out.  The West excels at critical thought, remember?  That's what Catholic theologians have been busy at for centuries.
From: igor@pravda.tse.su Subject: Who will broadcast the WC Originator: tervo@messi.uku.fi Organization: Central Red Army, Soviet Union Lines: 9  Which GERMAN satellite channels will show the World Championship action from Dusseldorf & Munich? Someone please tell me (must be able to root for the Red Machine)!  Thank you   ***Russians for the world title, Nordiques for the Cup!!!***  
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 70 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com  In article <C519Mt.Apq@magpie.linknet.com> manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve   Manes) writes: > Jim De Arras (jmd@cube.handheld.com) wrote: > : In article <C4u3x5.Fw7@magpie.linknet.com> manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve   > : Manes) writes: > : [...] > : > I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO > : > effect on homicide rates.  There were over 250 >accidental< handgun > : > homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons.  More > : > American children accidentally shot other children last year (15) > : > than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain.  (Source: National > : > Safety Council.  Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs > : > TOTAL NUMBERS, okay?  They're offered for emphasis, not comparison). > : >  >  > : You're a great debater.  You chose your sources of information, claim them > : to  be superior.  I'm not aware of using any numbers from the ozone, unless   you consider those I got from you to be such. >  > I've made no such claim.  Please direct my attention towards any > posting of mine where I claimed superior sources of information. > It's probably because I bothered to post any references at all while > others seem content to post numbers pulled from the ozone, that > you've confused it with fact-twisting.  If so, I apologize.   >   Yes, You state the reference, and then YOU claim it's a good or fair treatment.    > : then take those twisted numbers and twist them further by trying   >  > Well then, here's fair opportunity for you to prove that I've "twisted > numbers."  On what grounds do you contradict those references?  Do you have > any citations... any sources of your own that I can take similar > gratuitous shots at? >   You fail to see the differences between absolute numbers and rates.  > : to compare absolute numbers between two countries that have major   population   > : differences, the USA and GB, and then whine that you are afraid someone   might   > : attack your process, and so claim the numbers are for "emphasis, not   > : comparison"?  Emphasis of what? >  > Nitpicking and scolding is a whiney debating style, Jim. >   No, you just miss the point.  By your methods, I can prove gun control to be a   total failure.  New York's total homocide count, with it's strict gun control,   is MUCH higher than Rhode Island's, with it's less strict gun control.  FAR   more folks are killed in New York, than Rhode Island.  Therefore, according to   Mane Logic(tm), gun control has made New York a much more dangerous place than   Rhode Island.  Remember, it's "Nitpicking" and "a whiney debating style" to   point out the differences between New York and Rhode Island that might defeat   my argument.  > : Anything else is blowing smoke. >  > You seddit, brudda.  Now you agree?  Wow, a break-through! >   > --  > Stephen Manes					   manes@magpie.linknet.com > Manes and Associates				   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o   -- Jim
From: stephens@geod.emr.ca (Dave Stephenson) Subject: Re: solvent for duct-tape adhesive? Nntp-Posting-Host: ngis.geod.emr.ca Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa Lines: 23  mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >>> >>I don't know for sure that this will work, but you might try MEK (methyl >>ethyl keytone?).  It worked getting the stickum left over from shelf paper, >>and is available at paint stores.  Use a carbon gas mask and lots of >>ventilation--this stuff really stinks!   >--  >:-  Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist        :    ***** >:-  Artificial Intelligence Programs      mcovingt@ai.uga.edu :  ********* >:-  The University of Georgia              phone 706 542-0358 :   *  *  * >:-  Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A.     amateur radio N4TMI :  ** *** **  <>< If you use MEK for your sake wear safty glasses or better still industrial goggles. The small est drop in the eye will casue blindness by a catalysis reaction that is non cureavble once it starts. The results are similar to mustard gas contamination. Note MEK peroxide is a hardner form fibreglass resins. -- Dave Stephenson Geological Survey of Canada Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Internet: stephens@geod.emr.ca
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From: (Joseph D. Barrus) Subject: Utility to expand DOS file descriptions in directory listing? Organization: Naval Ocean Systems Center, San Diego, CA Lines: 16   I am looking for a Windows Utility that would give me a listing of files in a directory, but also display a description of the file.  This utility would allow me to enter and edit file descriptions of, hopefully, any  length (maybe a small window with a scroll bar?).  I would then be able to browse my directories and be able to see what is in a file without having to open or execute it.  Any such beast out there?  If not, anyone want to write one?  Joe Barrus barrus@nosc.mil     
From: rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Roderick Campbell) Subject: Re: PC/Geos, Windows, OS/2, and Unix/X11 Reply-To: rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca Organization: Dept. of Physics, Memorial University Lines: 61  In article <sehari.734022369@vincent2.iastate.edu>, sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes: |> --- |>  |>  |>  |> With my limited knowladge about the PC Geos, I came out with following  |> comparison: |>  |>                  PC Geos      Windows       OS/2    Unix/X11 |>                 ________      _______       ____    _______ |>  |> 1. Can run dos |>    programs        yes           yes         yes     yes(needed add.) |>   [lines deleted]  |>  |> 7. price          $120          $70         $120     free-$1000s |>                                                      A good one |>                                                      costs $400-$700  |>                                                      avaliable on Ext. |>                                                      card too. |>  |> 8. C compiler Don't think so    yap          yap     yap |>  |> 9. C++           no             Yap          Yap     Yap |>  |> 10. Fortran      no             yap          yap     yap |>  |> 11. debuger      ?              yap           yap    yap |>  |> 12. min to run   dos        2M & 10Mb-Hard     ?     386 |>  |> You guys and gals add to this list, so we do not throw our many down the  |> tubes. |>  |>                       With highest regards, |>                            Babak   Sehari. |>   This list appears to imply, that MS-windows that has a cost listed above at $70, comes with a C compiler, C++ and Fortran. It does not, of course. These are expensive add-ons that drive the price WAY beyond $70. ( I don't know if the same applies to OS/2 )  As far as unix is concerned; There is a free unix, linux, that has cc, ~c++, fortran ( f2c ), Xwindows and many other features besides, with a large number of utilities that can be optionally added. And there is also a free 386BSD I believe. Both these unix's are quite robust. You can check out comp.os.linux  If you don't want to "throw our many down the tubes", you've got to break that list down a little more.  --  Roderick Campbell Department of Physics Memorial University of Newfoundland St. John's, NF, CANADA internet: rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca
From: wagner@grace.math.uh.edu (David Wagner) Subject: Re: Deuterocanonicals, esp. Sirach Organization: UH Dept of Math Lines: 53  ddavis@cass.ma02.bull.com (Dave Davis) writes:   	II. The deuterocanonicals are not in the canon because  		they are not quoted by the NT authors.  That is not quite accurate.  Otherwise we would have the book of Enoch in the canon (as Dave noted).  One can say that the  apocrypha are not quoted by Christ.    Dave also writes:  III. The deuterocanonicals are not in the canon because  		they teach doctrines contrary to the (uncontroverted)  		parts of the canon.    	then I answer:   		These is a logically invalid *a priori*.   		Besides, we are talking about OT texts-   		which in many parts are superceded by the NT  		(in the Xtian view). Would not this same  		principle exclude _Ecclesiastes_?  		This principle cannot be consistently applied.   I have to reject your argument here.  The Spirit speaks with one voice, and he does not contradict himself.    The ultimate test of canonicity is whether the words are inspired by the Spirit, i.e., God-breathed.  It is a test which is more guided by faith than by reason or logic.  The early church decided that the Apocrypha did not meet this test--even though some books such as The Wisdom of Ben Sirach have their uses.  For example, the Lutheran hymn "Now Thank We All Our God" quotes a passage from this book.  The deutero-canonical books were added much later in the church's history.  They do not have the same spiritual quality as the rest of Scripture.  I do not believe the church that added these books was guided by the Spirit in so doing.  And that is where this sort of discussion ultimately ends.  David H. Wagner a confessional Lutheran		"Now thank we all our God 				With heart and hands and voices, 				Who wondrous things hath done, 				In whom His world rejoices; 				Who from our mother's arms 				Hath blessed us on our way 				With countless gifts of love, 				And still is our today." 				--"Nun danket alle Gott", v. 1 				--Martin Rinckart, 1636 				(compare Ben Sirach 50: 22-24)
From: matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: National University of Singapore X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 12  mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) writes: : significantly less than the value of many automobiles.  And for those who will : argue that the animals out there stealing cars and everything else (not to : mention committing COMPLETELY senseless acts of violence, such as rape) cannot : be valued in terms of money because they are human beings, I submit that they : are not human beings.  Jim Callison, I think, is on the right track.  And   Absolutely. A scratch on my car bothers me more than the death of any number of scum. All of you feel the same way---you just won't admit it. When are people going to realise that the mere fact that a piece of flesh moves and has the approximate shape of a human being does not in itself mean that it has "rights"?
From: brosen@sol.cis.udel.edu (Bruce) Subject: Supra Modem 2400 for scale Keywords: 2400 Baud Modem Nntp-Posting-Host: sol.cis.udel.edu Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio Lines: 7  Having upgraded to a Supra 9600 Fax modem, my Supra 2400 Modem is for Sale at 50$ + S/H. Approx 1.3 years old. Excellent working condition.  send email rosen@ringer.cs.utsa.edu, or call at 210-691-5696.  Bruce Rosen
From: schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) Subject: Re: DC-X update??? Nntp-Posting-Host: starman.convex.com Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer               Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and               not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 32  In <1993Apr15.234154.23145@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:  >As for the future, there is at least $5M in next years budget for work >on SSRT. They (SDIO) have been looking for more funds and do seem to have >some. However, SDIO is not (I repeat, is not) going to fund an orbital >prototype. The best we can hope from them is to 1) keep it alive for >another year, and 2) fund a suborbital vehicle which MIGHT (with >major modifications) just make orbit. There is also some money for a >set of prototype tanks and projects to answer a few more open questions.  Would the sub-orbital version be suitable as-is (or "as-will-be") for use as a reuseable sounding rocket?   >Better news comes from the new Spacelifter effort. The USAF managers of >this program are very open to SSTO and will have about $50M next >year for studies. This would be enough to bring DC-Y to PDR.  Thank Ghod! I had thought that Spacelifter would definitely be the bastard Son of NLS.   (And just as a reminder:) >Now not all of this money will go to DC but a good case could be made >for spending half on DC.  >Public support is STILL critical. Meet with your Congressperson (I'll >help you do it) and get his/her support. Also call your local media >and get them to cover the flight tests.   
From: dclaar@cup.hp.com (Doug Claar) Subject: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports Nntp-Posting-Host: hprtnyc.cup.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.9] Lines: 4   oops, that's KNX 1070. KNBR is up in 'Frisco, and down at 680.  ==Doug "San Fran can't be 'the city': Jack Webb told me so" Claar
From: thomasd@tps.COM (Thomas W. Day) Subject: Re: _The Andromeda Strain_ Summary: How well does it hold up? Organization: Telectronics Pacing Systems Lines: 43  In article <C5pvp5.82L@chinet.chi.il.us> dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung) writes:  >Just had the opportunity to watch this flick on A&E -- some 15 years >since I saw it last.    Wow, the WWII channel did something not-WWII?  >I was very interested in the technology demonstrated in this film >for handling infectious diseases (and similar toxic substances). >Clearly they "faked" a lot of the computer & robotic technology; >certainly at the time it was made most of that was science fiction >itself, let alone the idea of a "space germ".    The graphics capabilities of the computers were very faked for movie  audiences who have not ability or patience with numbers.  The book was more  realistic in that respect.  In all respects, actually.  The robotics are  still out of range, but not impossible.  >Quite coincidentally [actually this is what got me wanted to see >the movie again] I watched a segment on the otherwise awful _How'd >They Do That?_ dealing with a disease researcher at the CDC's top >lab.  There was description of the elaborate security measures taken >so that building will never be "cracked" so to speak by man or >nature (short of deliberate bombing from the air, perhaps).  And >the researchers used "spacesuits" similar to that in the film.  SF (and I"ve always wondered how Crichton escapes this classification) is  usually ahead of science in both prediction and precaution.  NASA's  decontaimination processes were supposedly taken to prevent SF story  disasters.  I mean, NASA scientists were often SF readers (and  sometimes writers) and felt pre-warned by their reading.  >I'm curious what people think about this film -- short of "silly". >Is such a facility technically feasible today?    I think the film still holds up among the best of SF films, but that isn't  saying a whole lot.  >As far as the plot, and the crystalline structure that is not Life >As We Know It, that's a whole 'nother argument for rec.arts.sf.tech >or something.  Yep.
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: sgi Lines: 28 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com  In article <1993Apr3.100039.15879@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: |> In <1p8ivt$cfj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |>  |> >Should we British go around blowing up skyscrapers next? |>  |> I don't know if you are doing so, but it seems you are implying  |> (1) that the person accused of blowing up the WTC in NY actually did it, |> and |> (2) that Islamic teachings have something to do with blowing up the WTC.  I was replying to a person who attempted to justify the fatwa against Rushdie on the grounds that his work was intentionally insulting.   I think that to take a single sentence from a fairly long posting, and to say   	"I don't know if you are doing so, but it  	seems you are implying....."  is at the very best quite disingenuous, and perhaps even dishonest.    If anyone care to dig back and read the full posting, they will see nothing of the kind.  I trust you don't deny that Islamic teaching has "something to do" with the fatwa against Rushdie?  jon.
From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4 Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office  X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 71  I have 19 (2 MB worth!) uuencode'd GIF images contain charts outlining one of the many alternative Space Station designs being considered in Crystal City.  Mr. Mark Holderman works down the hall from me, and can be reached for comment at (713) 483-1317, or via e-mail at mholderm@jscprofs.nasa.gov.  Mark proposed this design, which he calls "Geode" ("rough on the outside, but a gem on the inside") or the "ET Strongback with integrated hab modules and centrifuge."  As you can see from file geodeA.gif, it uses a Space Shuttle External Tank (ET) in place of much of the truss which is currently part of Space Station Freedom.  The white track on the outside of the ET is used by the Station Remonte Manipulator System (SRMS) and by the Reaction Control System (RCS) pod.  This allows the RCS pod to move along the track so that thrusting can occur near the center of gravity (CG) of the Station as the mass properties of the Station change during assembly.  The inline module design allows the Shuttle to dock more easily because it can approach closer to the Station's CG and at a structurally strong part of the Station.  In the current SSF design, docking forces are limited to 400 pounds, which seriously constrains the design of the docking system.  The ET would have a hatch installed pre-flight, with little additional launch mass.  We've always had the ability to put an ET into orbit (contrary to some rumors which have circulated here), but we've never had a reason to do it, while we have had some good reasons not to (performance penalties, control, debris generation, and eventual de-orbit and impact footprint).  Once on-orbit, we would vent the residual H2.  The ET insulation (SOFI) either a) erodes on-orbit from impact with atomic Oxygen, or b) stays where it is, and we deploy a Kevlar sheath around it to protect it and keep it from contaminating the local space environment.  Option b) has the advantage of providing further micrometeor protection.  The ET is incredibly strong (remember, it supports the whole stack during launch), and could serve as the nucleus for a much more ambitious design as budget permits.  The white module at the end of ET contains a set of Control Moment Gyros to be used for attitude control, while the RCS will be used for gyro desaturation.  The module also contains a de-orbit system which can be used at the end of the Station's life to perform a controlled de-orbit (so we don't kill any more kangaroos, like we did with Skylab).  The centrifuge, which has the same volume as a hab module, could be used for long-term studies of the effects of lunar or martian gravity on humans.  The centrifuge will be used as a momentum storage device for the whole attitude control system.  The centrifuge is mounted on one of the modules, opposite the ET and the solar panels.  This design uses most of the existing SSF designs for electrical, data and communication systems, getting leverage from the SSF work done to date.  Mark proposed this design at Joe Shea's committee in Crystal City, and he reports that he was warmly received.  However, the rumors I hear say that a design based on a wingless Space Shuttle Orbiter seems more likely.  Please note that this text is my interpretation of Mark's design; you should see his notes in the GIF files.    Instead of posting a 2 MB file to sci.space, I tried to post these for anon-FTP in ames.arc.nasa.gov, but it was out of storage space.  I'll let you all know when I get that done.  -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office       kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov  (713) 483-4368       "...Development of the space station is as inevitable as        the rising of the sun." -- Wernher von Braun
From: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 23 Reply-To: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu  > In article <1993Mar29.161044.1@uncavx.unca.edu>, bwillard@uncavx.unca.edu > wrote: >>  >> 8. Saab 900 - ignition is on floor!?!  	Actually, this started as a great idea.  Before steering-column locks became popular, Saab installed a *gearshift* lock -- put the car in reverse, remove the key, and the car *stays* in reverse! 	Also, suppose you get into your car, and a thug comes up and demands your keys at gunpoint.  You hand them over, he gets in, and HAS NO IDEA WHERE TO PUT THE KEY!  At this, he will run away (or perhaps shoot you anyway  %-}).  I heard this actually happened somewhere... 	Btw, I hear that the Saab 900's new successor will have the ignition on the console, between the seats, where it belongs.  %\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\% ___    A      laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu | |   {*}     Redhead Afficionado Extraordinaire   *and* | |  __V__    Little Canadia's Minister of Fine Tobaccos |_|o_|%%%|0_  Cigaret brands sampled: 55 import/luxury, 17 handrolling    |       |    |       |  These opinions are not necessarily mine (or mine, either).    |_______| -----> Can anyone bum me a .sig?
From: kthompso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Ken Thompson) Subject: Re: 68HC11 problem Organization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS Lines: 21  mdanjou@gel.ulaval.ca (Martin D'Anjou) writes: B )>>>>>>>>> Votre host est mal configure... <<<<<<<<<<<<   )Bonjour Sylvain, )	J'ai travaille avec le hc11 il y a 3 ans et je ne me souviens pas de toutes les possibilites mais je vais quand meme essayer de t'aider.  )	Je ne crois pas que downloader une programme directement dans le eeprom soit une bonne idee (le eeprom a une duree de vie limitee a 10 000 cycles il me semble). Le communication break down vient peut-etre du fait que le eeprom est long a programmer (1ms par 8 bytes mais c'est a verifier) et que les delais de transfer de programme s19 vers la memoire sont excedes. Normalement, les transferts en RAM du code s19 est plus rapide car le RAM est plus rapide que le eeprom en ecriture.  )	C'est tout ce que ma memoire me permet de me souvenir!  )Bonne chance,  Oh yeah easy for him to say!...  --  Ken Thompson    N0ITL   NCR Corp.  Peripheral Products Division   Disk Array Development 3718 N. Rock Road  Wichita KS 67226   (316)636-8783 Ken.Thompson@wichitaks.ncr.com 
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Distribution: usa Lines: 30  As quoted from <C5J5IM.3C9@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> by rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat):  >  > |	Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. > |	It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production > |	would have to be local. There are not all that many people > |	who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile > |	firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could > |	obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and > |	average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would > |	pay through the nose for it.  >  > This is not borne out of reality; the old Soviet Union had a very > serious domestic handgun and submachinegun trade, guns that were > of commercial grade because they were produced in honest-to-goodness > machineshops. Why would all production have to be local; don't we > have a road system that is the envy of the world? >  If anybody wanted proof of the nonsense of the "you can't build guns" claim, they need look no farther than the Philippines.  Amateur gunsmiths there regularly produce everything from .45 automatics to full auto shotguns.  Now if this guy wants to claim that the Philippines is either technologically superior to the US or that their transportation is better than ours, all I can say is that he's living in a fantasy world.  --  =================================================================== "You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in Arkansas" - Holly Silva
From: jao@megatest.com (John Oswalt) Subject: Re: legal car buying problems Organization: Megatest Corporation X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Distribution: ca Lines: 32  rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie) writes: : In article <9285.27317@stratus.SWDC.Stratus.COM> bob@runway.swdc.stratus.com (Bob Hutson) writes: : >After agreeing to terms I signed the contract and drove home in my new : >car.  Later that same night I noticed that the terms in the were : >different from the terms I had agreed to.  (I made the stupid mistake : >of not checking everything on the contract).  This all happened last : >Saturday. : > : >I have heard that there is a "cooling-off" law allowing me three days : >to reconsider the contract.  Is this true?  Can anyone point me to the : >law?  The transaction happened at the dealership, if it matters. :  : This cooling off period applies only in certain situations - lik ewhen : you are solicited at home.  I also think the cooling off period ends : if you actually accept the merchandise. :  : If this were not the case, any car buyer would have the right to return : a slightly used, highly devalued, car 2 days after buying it.  Yeah -  : that's the trick - if I want to buy a new car, I'd have a firend buy  : & return one, then go in and negotiate a better deal on a pre-owned : used car.  However, if you agree some terms, and then, when about to sign, the dealer slips you a contract with different terms, and leads you to believe that it embodies the terms you verbally agreed to, that is fraud.  There is no 3 day limit on restitution for fraud.  You may have to sue (and win) to get out of this.  You will almost certainly have to threaten to sue. --   John Oswalt        jao@megatest.com     or    jao@netcom.com
From: goltz@mimi.UU.NET (James P. Goltz) Subject: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? Organization: UUNET Technologies Inc, Falls Church, VA, USA Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: mimi.uu.net     Background: The Orion spacedrive was a theoretical concept.  It would be a drive using thermonuclear explosions to drive a spacecraft. The idea was that you'd detonate devices with somewhere from one to ten megatons yield behind a "pusher plate" attached to the main spacecraft.  The shock wave from the explosions would transfer momentum to the ship.    Now, in an atmosphere I can see this.  The energy of the explosion heats the atmosphere, which expands explosively and slams a shock wave into the pusher plate.  But in a vacuum, only two things I can see are going to hit the plate: fission/fusion products (barium, krypton, helium, neutrons, evaporated bomb casing) and electromagnetic radiation (gammas mostly, some light/heat from irradiated fission products).    Would this work?  I can't see the EM radiation impelling very much momentum (especially given the mass of the pusher plate), and it seems to me you're going to get more momentum transfer throwing the bombs out the back of the ship than you get from detonating them once they're there.    I must be missing something.  Would someone enlighten me via email?    Thanks.  --  	--Jim  --- Jim Goltz                    AlterNet Engineer               goltz@uunet.uu.net
From: DMJEWLAL@CHEMICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Derrick M. Jewlal) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Lines: 45 Organization: University of Waterloo  In article <1993Apr14.174828.13445@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) >Subject: Re: plus minus stat >Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 17:48:28 GMT >In <DREIER.93Apr14092901@jacobi.berkeley.edu> dreier@jacobi.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes: > >>Selanne's +7 leads the Jets; Teppo Numminen is +4.  Who do you think >>is better defensively?  Ron Francis of the Penguins is +5, although he >>has 97 points, while Jaromir Jagr has only 87 points but is +30.  Is >>Jagr really better on defense than Francis?  And how exactly should we >>interpret the fact that Mario Lemieux has by far the highest +/- in >>the league?  Does he get the Selke as well as the Ross? > >The plus/minus does not measure defense alone.  It attempts to measure >a  player's  total contribution to the team effort.  And certainly, it >is far from perfect and my posting never implied otherwise.  All  that >my  posting  suggested  was  that  the +/- was a better indicator of a >player's effectiveness, when examined in the context of that  player's >team's  performance, than mere scoring totals alone.  And as for Mario >getting the Selke - why not?  After Doug Gilmour, I would rather  have >Lemieux  on the ice in any situation (other than as an enforcer, obvi- >ously) than any player in the game.  I used to call the Selke the "Bob >Gainey  Award".   It  came  about as a result of the statement made by >Anatoli Tarasov: "Bob Gainey is the best hockey player in the  world." >I am sure that Tarasov was either misquoted, originally, or had a tiny >bit too much Vodka and was toying with a reporter.  In any event,  the >NHL  decided  to honour one dimensional checkers along with one dimen- >sional scorers.  Maybe the league should start awarding the "Doug Gil- >mour Award" anually  to the league's most effective, all-round player. > >cordially, as always, > >rm > >--  >Roger Maynard  >maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca   	Hey, what about the "Roger Maynard Award" for the most 	annoying fan....? ========================================================  Derrick M. Jewlal  34 Laurel St. , Apt. #1  Waterloo  747 4804 
From: cfb@fc.hp.com (Charlie Brett) Subject: Re: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports Nntp-Posting-Host: hpfcmgw.fc.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] Lines: 21  : While driving through the middle of nowhere, I picked up KNBR, AM 1070, : a clear-channel station based in Los Angeles. They had an ad  : claiming that they were able to get traffic flow information from  : all of the thousands of traffic sensors that CalTrans has placed : under the pavement. Does CalTrans sell this info? Does KNBR have : an exclusive? What's the deal?  : ==Doug "Former L.A. commuter" Claar  You were right the second time, it is KNX. Believe it or not, I also listen to KNX in the evenings here in Colorado! It's kind of fun driving through the country listening to traffic jams on the 405. Back to your original question. Yes, there are sensors just past every on-ramp and off-ramp on the freeways. They're the same sensors used at most stoplights now (coils in the pavement). You might want to give CalTrans a call or even ask Bill Keene (KNX's traffic reporter). I doubt if just anyone can get the information, but it would be worth asking just in case you can get it.        Charlie Brett (former LA commuter)  Ft. Collins, CO 
From: kturner@copper.denver.colorado.edu (Kathleen J Turner) Subject: Mystery Illness with eye problems Organization: University of Colorado at Denver Lines: 29   	A friend has the following symptoms which have occurred periodically every few months for the last 3 years.  An episode begins with extreme tiredness followed by:  	1. traveling joint pains and stiffness affecting mostly the elbows, 	knees, and hips. 	2. generalized muscle pains 	3. tinnitus and a feeling of pressure in her ears 	4. severe sweating occuring both at night and during the day 	5. hemorrhaging in both eyes.  Her opthamologist calls it peripheral    retinal hemorhages and says it looks similar to diabetic retinopathy.  (She         isn't diabetic--they checked. 	6. distorted color vision and distorted vision in general (telephone 	   poles do not appear to be straight) 	7. loss of peripheral vision.  	 	Many tests have been run and all are normal except for something  called unidentified bright objects found on a MRI of her brain.  The only thing that seems to alleviate one of these episodes is prednisone.  At times she had been on 60 mg per day.  Whenever she gets down to 10-15 mg the symptoms become acute again.  	She is quite concerned because the retinal hemorrhages are becoming worse with each episode and her vision is suffering.  None of the docs she has seen have any idea what this condition is or what can be done to stop it.  Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in  advance.  Kathy Turner 	
From: eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder) Subject: Re: NASP Distribution: sci Organization: Boeing AI Center, Huntsville, AL Lines: 39  I have before me a pertinent report from the United States General Accounting Office:  National Aero-Space Plane: Restructuring Future Research and Development Efforts December 1992 Report number GAO/NSIAD-93-71  In the back it lists the following related reports:  NASP: Key Issues Facing the Program (31 Mar 92) GAO/T-NSIAD-92-26  Aerospace Plane Technology: R&D Efforts in Japan and Australia (4 Oct 91) GAO/NSIAD-92-5  Aerospace Plane Technology: R&D Efforts in Europe (25 July 91) GAO/NSIAD-91-194  Aerospace Technology: Technical Data and Information on Foreign Test Facilities (22 Jun 90) GAO/NSIAD-90-71FS  Investment in Foreign Aerospace Vehicle Research and Technological Development Efforts (2 Aug 89) GAO/T-NSIAD-89-43  NASP: A Technology Development and Demonstration Program to Build the X-30 (27 Apr 88) GAO/NSIAD-88-122   On the inside back cover, under "Ordering Information" it says  "The first copy of each GAO report is free.  . . .  Orders may also be placed by calling (202)275-6241 "  Dani  --  Dani Eder/Meridian Investment Company/(205)464-2697(w)/232-7467(h)/ Rt.1, Box 188-2, Athens AL 35611/Location: 34deg 37' N 86deg 43' W +100m alt.
From: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz) Subject: Re: Windows for WorkGroups and LAN Workplace Reply-To: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de (Richard Spitz) Organization: Inst. f. Anaesthesiologie der LMU, Muenchen (Germany) Distribution: comp.os.ms-windows.apps,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-,world Lines: 30  Flint.Waters@uwyo.edu (Flint Waters) writes:   >>Now does anyone know if it is possible to use W4WG and Lan Workplace >>for DOS at the same time.   >Yup.  We're using both and they work just fine.  Hopefully, someday WFWG >will communicate over LWP TCPIP.  Right now we have to load NetBeui.  >I use ODI with ODINSUP and all works well.  Hey, sounds great. Does that mean that W4WG works with ODI? I thought it    uses NDIS.                                                                                                                                              My problem is that Lan Workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my    UMBs, so I'd hate to have to load many more drivers to make W4WG work       along.                                                                                                                                                    I read in a German computer magazine that TCP/IP support for W4WG is just    around the corner. Anybody have any news about this?                                                                                                      Regards, Richard                                                              --  +----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Dr. Richard Spitz          | INTERNET: spitz@ana.med.uni-muenchen.de   | | EDV-Gruppe Anaesthesie     | Tel     : +49-89-7095-3421                | | Klinikum Grosshadern       | FAX     : +49-89-7095-8886                | | Munich, Germany            |                                           | +----------------------------+-------------------------------------------+
From: johnf@HQ.Ileaf.COM (John Finlayson) Subject: Re: feverfew for migraines Nntp-Posting-Host: findog Organization: Interleaf, Inc. Lines: 22  In article <ltrdroINNltf@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> brenda@bookhouse.Eng.Sun.COM (Brenda Bowden) writes: > >Does anyone know about these studies? Or have experience with feverfew? >I'm skeptical, but open to trying it if I can find out more about this. >What is feverfew, and how much would you take to prevent migraines (if  >this is a good idea, that is)? Are there any known risks or side effects >of feverfew?  > >Thanks in advance for any info! >Brenda  I've tried it, and so has one friend of mine.  No known side effects or risks.  It didn't seem to work for us, but several studies now have  suggested it does work for many people, so I think it's worth a try.  You can find it in capsule form at health food stores.  Up to six capsules a day was recommended, if I remember correctly.  It can also be prepared  as a tea.  Good luck,  John
From: rmohns@vax.clarku.edu Subject: RE: Need Windows-logo Organization: Clark University Lines: 46  In a previous article, dmmatt@cajun wrote: >In article <1qjqed$1ft@access.digex.net>, holland@access.digex.com (Brian Holland) writes: >> Markus Maier (S_MAIER_M@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de) wrote: >> : Hi, >>  >> : Well I'm searching for the Ms-Windows logo, u know the picture when u >> : start Windows, in some suitable grafics-format, like gif or jpg,... >>  >> C:\windows\system\vgalogo.rle.  If my memory serves me correctly, >> *.rle is a compressed *.bmp format.   >>  >  An is readable by WinGif, Paintshop Pro, Paint, and god knows how >many other programs.  That isn't enough to change your Windows startup logo.  vgalogo.rle is not  needed after you have installed Windows.  It is incorporated as a part of  win.com. 	To make a new win.com, you have to concatinate three files together,  using the /b option for a binary concatonation.  I beleive it is  copy /b win.cnf+vgalogo.lgo+vgalogo.rle mywin.com  Make sure you backup your win.com file in anotehr directory before you do this  -- I absent-mindedly typed win.com instead of mywin.com and had to resinstall  Windows! 	Anyway, substitute whatever .RLE file you want.  The win.cnf has the  info needed to start Windows (think of it as a bootstrap) and vgalogo.vga has  video information.  Just make sure that the .RLE file doesn't tip the whole  COM file size over the 64k limit of a .COM file! 	So anyway, I use mywin.com to startup MS Windows.  Now instead of that  annoying Micro$oft advertisment, I have the Joker (yes, from Batman) taking  yoru picture from the screen, saying "Smile!"  Also a little bit of text:  "Micro$oft Windows: The world's first commercially sucessful virus."  I added  that because of the frequency of crashes. <grin>  Rob   __   				   +------------------+ /  \ --		--===---	   |     a post by    | \__/ ---------			   |     Rob Mohns    | 				   |      rmohns@     | 	I had no water, so	   |  vax.clarku.edu  | 	I drowned in sand.	   +------------------+ 				           | | 		  \|/		           | | __\\\|/____________|_______________\//___\\|_|/________\|/_________
Subject: Deskjet 500 and Accessories Forsale From: rtr@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (ricardo.t.rollins) Distribution: oh Organization: AT&T Keywords: Deskjet 500, Cartridges, Cables Lines: 23   I have for sale the following:  	Hewlett Packard 500 Deskjet 	4 Additional Deskjet Ink Cartridges 	8 ft. Parallel Printer Cable  The printer is approx. 2 years old (7 months of use, and then a year in storage during my relocation from Illinois to Columbus) and in excellent condition. All original manuals, and boxes are included. The selling price is $325.00 for the entire package. Unwilling to  break it up because what good would cartridges do me without a printer.  If interested call either (614) 860-2144 or (614) 771-8861. You can also respond via e-mail. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ricardo Rollins         *       E-Mail: rollins@cblph.att.com AT&T Bell Laboratories  *        Voice: 1-614-860-2144 6200 E. Broad St.       *   Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are not mine. Columbus, OH 43213      *               Unless they're morally, ethically,                         *               and politically correct.  :-) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton) Subject: Long distance IR detection Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Nntp-Posting-Host: stan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: Defence Research Establishment Suffield X-Newssoftware: GRn-beta 1.16g (04.01.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz Mime-Version: 1.0 Lines: 19   --  I would like to be able to detect the angular position (low accuracy) of an IR emitting source at a distance of about 100 meters (more is better) in daylight.  The IR source could be emitting a signature; I'm leaning toward 30 KHz square wave with 50% duty cycle.  I am considering the use of a quadrant detector from Centronic Inc. to give information to a pan/tilt head to point the sensor and thus determine the angles.  For the source I am considering wazing the heck out of an IR LED(s), possibly an Optek OP290 or Motorola MLED81.  Wazing would mean at least 1 Amp current pulses.  At this current the duty cycle of the LED drops to 10% and I would need to cycle five of them in turn to get the 50% required.  Has anyone done something like this?  Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG)                 sburton@dres.dnd.ca (403) 544-4737     DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6
From: jlange%radian@natinst.com (John Lange) Subject: WANTED: Used audio mixer Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: zippy.radian.com Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas Lines: 9   I'm looking for a used/inexpensive audio mixer.  I need at least  4 channels of stereo input and 1 channel of stereo output, but I would prefer 8 or more input channels.  Each channel needs to have at least a  volume control.  I'll consider buying broken equipment.  The mixer needs  to be fairly small (I haven't got a lot of space for it).    John Lange (jlange@zippy.radian.com) Radian Corp. (512)454-4797      Box 201088      Austin, TX 78720-1088
From: wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov Subject: Re: NASA "Wraps" Organization: University of Houston Lines: 86 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: judy.uh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41      In article <1993Apr10.145502.28866@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes... >In article <9APR199318394890@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes: >  >>>BTW, universities do the same thing. They however, have a wrap of >>>10% to 15% (again, this is over and above any overhead charge). >  >>Wrong Allen. The max overhead charge is ALL of the charge. There is no >>seperately budgeted overhead in any shape size form or fashion.  >  >A professor at the University of Virginia told me their wrap was about >15%. The subcontracts I have let out and worked on for other universities >are about the same. My employer (a non-profit research institute) does >the same. This is generally reffered to as the fee. >   I don't care who told you this it is not generally true. I see EVERY single line item on a contract and I have to sign it. There is no such thing as wrap at this university. I also asked around here. Ther is no wrap at  Marquette, University of Wisconsin Madison, Utah State, Weber State or Embry Riddle U. I am not saying that it doees not happen but in every instance that I have been able to track down it does not. Also the president of our University who was Provost at University of West Virgina said that it did not happen there either and that this figure must be included in the overhead to be a legitimate charge.  >>How do  >>I know? I write proposals and have won contracts and I know to the dime >>what the charges are. At UAH for example the overhead is 36.6%. >  >Sounds like they are adding it to their overhead rate. Go ask your >costing people how much fee they add to a project. >  I did they never heard of it but suggest that, like our president did, that any percentage number like this is included in the overhead.  >>If you have some numbers Allen then show them else quit barking.  >  >I did Dennis; read the article. To repeat: an internal estimate done by >the Reston costing department says Freedom can be built for about $1.8B >a year and operated for $1B per year *IF* all the money where spent on >Freedom. Since we spend about half a billion $$ more per year it looks >like roughly 25% of the money is wasted. Now if you think I'm making >this up, you can confirm it in the anonymous editorial published a few >weeks ago in Space News. >  No Allen you did not. You merely repeated allegations made by an Employee of the Overhead capital of NASA. Nothing that Reston does could not be dont better or cheaper at the Other NASA centers  where the work is going on. Kinda funny isn't it that someone who talks about a problem like this is at a place where everything is overhead.  >This Dennis, is why NASA has so many problems: you can't accept that >anything is wrong unless you can blame it on Congress. Oh, sure, you'll >say NASA has problems but do you believe it? Remember the WP 02 >overrun? You insisted it was all congresses fault when NASA management >knew about the overrun for almost a year yet refused to act. Do you >still blame Congress for the overrun? >  Why did the Space News artice point out that it was the congressionally demanded change that caused the problems? Methinks that you are being  selective with the facts again.  >>By your own numbers Allen, at a cost of 500 million per flight the >>service cost of flying shuttle to SSF is 2 billion for four flights, so how >>did you get your one billion number? >  >I have no idea what your trying to say here Dennis. >  >  Allen >--   If it takes four flights a year to resupply the station and you have a cost of 500 million a flight then you pay 2 billion a year. You stated that your "friend" at Reston said that with the current station they could resupply it for a billion a year "if the wrap were gone". This merely points out a  blatent contridiction in your numbers that understandably you fail to see.  Dennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville.  Sorry gang but I have a deadline for a satellite so someone else is going to have to do Allen's math for him for a while. I will have little chance to do so. 
From: jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) Subject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait Organization: Huh?  Whuzzat? Lines: 12  Sheila Patterson writes: >          >I always suspected that I was human too :-)  It is the desire to be like >Christ that often causes christians to be very critical of themselves and >other christians. ...  I'd like to remind people of the withering of the fig tree and Jesus driving the money changers et. al. out of the temple.  I think those were two instances of Christ showing anger (as part of His human side).  Jeff Johnson jcj@tellabs.com
From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Vlad's Playoff Picks Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 156  In article <vzhivov.734637613@cunews> vzhivov@alfred.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes:  Wales Conference, Adams Division, Semifinal >Boston vs. Buffalo: >The Bruins are playing some excellent hockey, and with Cam Neely back >and Moog his old self again this should be a cake-walk.  BRUINS IN 5.  I'm hoping for a Fuhr miracle, but I agree that Boston will likely win the series.  Goaltending is about equal, top offensive players are about equal (Mogilny-LaFontaine vs. Oates-Juneau), but Buffalo has no answer to Neely (not to imply that Neely is not a top offensive player btw, in fact he's one of my favourites even though he's a damn Bruin :) ).  And the rest of the matchup wrt lineup favours Boston anyway.  But I think it will go six.  >Quebec vs. Montreal: >This one is very tough to call. Montreal certainly has the experience >factor, but Quebec is more talented IMHO. It'll come down to the >goalies.  I'll go with experience and Roy. CANADIENS IN 7.  Agreed here...but Montreal will be pushed to the limit.  Is it just me, or does everything Montreal does in the playoffs come down to Roy?  Go Habs!!  Final >Boston vs. Montreal: >Will Bruin domination continue in this rivalry? Yes. Moog has >consistently outperformed Roy in the playoffs (after 1986)..[other stuff] > Bruins in five.  I can't predict a Montreal victory because I've been watching them play for 6 weeks and IMO they severly need some tougher players, especially to play in the Garden.  Last time they beat the B's 5-2 but Boston had a clear territorial advantage; the victory was Roy's.  At the same time, I can't bring myself to predict the possibility of a loss, so I'll just say I will not be putting money on this series. :-)  >Patrick Division, semifinal  >Pittsburgh vs. NY Islanders: >What can I say? The Pens are flying high and have the most talent in >the league.   Agreed.  NY doesn't have the goaltending to stop the onslaught, independent of the trouble they have given Pittsburgh this year.  Pens in five, which is credit to NY.  >Washington vs. New Jersey: >CAPITALS IN 5.  Agreed here too, but I think it will go at least six.  Jersey has a decent team, and Washington has done poorly against the division this year.  >Pittsburgh vs. Washington: >If the Caps had Bill Ranford I might see an upset, but Don Beaupre >just doesn't inspire my hopes.  PENGUINS IN 6.  I think they will use Tabaracci more after Beaupre gets shelled.  I don't think it will go six either...*maybe* five.  >CONFERENCE FINAL: >Pittsburgh vs. Boston: >A replay of last year. The Penguins are just as good as 12 months ago, >and the Bruins are much improved. But... PENGUINS IN 6.  If Pittsburgh plays Boston, IMO they win in likely five, possibly six.  They own the Bruins.  If they play Montreal, I think it will go to seven, and once again I won't be putting money on the seventh game.  I say seven because the Habs have played Pittsburgh very tough this season.  >Campbell Conference, Norris Division, semifinal  >Chicago vs. St. Louis (or Minnesota): > BLACKHAWKS IN 5.  Chicago will win, but I think in at least six.  Chicago is not that good, IMO.  And remember that they take ridiculous numbers of penalties.  >Detroit vs. Toronto: >The Leafs have had an excellent season, but they've been playing >playoff hockey all year - the Habs under Burns were the same way and >always wilted in the playoffs.  RED WINGS IN 5.  Very true.  The Leafs have much to be proud of, but they will soon find out why Montreal did so lousy in the playoffs.  Toronto might win two or three  at MLG though.  Wings in six, maybe even seven.  >FINAL: >Chicago vs. Detroit: > This will be a war. Fedorov will win it in OT. RED WINGS IN 7.  It _will_ be a war...possibly the most intense playoff series of them all.  And yes, I think Detroit will win.  Probert will have to come up big though.  >Smythe Division SEMI-FINALS:  >Vancouver vs. Winnipeg: > CANUCKS IN 7.  Our first disagreement.  Canucks are playing like shit.  They don't use their size *at* *all*, which may explain why they get hammered 8-1 by a team chasing them (Calgary)....Winnipeg in six.  >Calgary vs. Los Angeles: >This would have been tough to call, except for three things. 1/ The >Kings don't have a goalie; 2/ Gary Roberts will be back; 3/ the Kings >shot themselves in the foot by trading a proven winner (Paul Coffey) >for a proven loser (Jimmy Carson). Gretzky is just too weary to carry >this group. FLAMES IN 5.  This is also tough for me to call, because I haven't seen the Smythe enough.  I don't think Roberts will be well enough to figure in, Coffey is a non-issue, who cares what Carson has done before, and *never* underestimate Gretzky.  LA in six.  >FINAL: >Vancouver vs. Calgary: > FLAMES IN 6.  If it is these two, Calgary will not need six games.  But I think it will be LA-Winnipeg anyway, and LA in seven, because of home ice.  >COFERENCE FINAL: >Detroit vs. Calgary: > RED WINGS IN 7.  Wow, must've been tough to go against your team.  But let's see, I picked LA-Detroit.  Detroit will win, probably in six.  >STANLEY CUP FINAL: >Pittsburgh vs. Detroit: >Three in a row and official 'dynasty' status for the Pens? Or can the >Wings complete a dream season? Well, the Wings are better in goal (not >sufficiently so though IMHO) and have better D-men. However, Mario and >the boys can sure score. Look for Jagr to shine in the playoffs, >though I sure would love to see Probert beat some sense into him. The >Pens are just too much, especially since Detroit will have a tougher >battle to get here. PENGUINS IN 5.  If Pittsburgh plays Detroit, it will go longer than five, and I wouldn't bet against the Wings.  They are very strong, IMO, and nobody knows *how* strong because they've been underachieving most of the year.  If forced to choose, though, I'd have to take the Penguins.  A side note.  Vlad, last week you said that Selanne was a better player than Gilmour.  NO WAY.  He is a more talented pure goal scorer...but aside from the age difference, there is no way I would take him over Gilmour on my team. I'm not asking for flames, either, btw....I've spent more than enough time arguing on behalf of Selanne and I still say he's a great player.  But while he and Gilmour are both dangerous offensively (give Teemu an edge), Gilmour *does* *it* *all*.  I know a lot of Gilmour-bashing goes on, esp. from Flame fans.  But IMO you guys are letting your dislike of Gilmour cloud your judgement when it comes to his skill.  He is easily one of the best all-round players in the NHL.    dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca
From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno ) Subject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin Reply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 9    creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps) writes:  [Anyway, your argument seems to be saying, "If _I_ were God, I certainly wouldn't do things that way; therefore, God doesn't do things that way."]  I would never have the audacity to say such a thing. My argument says only that I do not understand.
From: dmp1@ukc.ac.uk (D.M.Procida) Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition? Reply-To: dmp1@ukc.ac.uk (D.M.Procida) Organization: Computing Lab, University of Kent at Canterbury, UK. Lines: 26 Nntp-Posting-Host: eagle.ukc.ac.uk  In article <19609@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:  >Accepted by whom?  Not by scientists.  There are people >in every country who waste time and money on quackery. >In Britain and Scandanavia, where I have worked, it was not paid for. >What are "most of these countries?"  I don't believe you.  I am told (by the person who I care a lot about and who I am worried is going to start putting his health and money into homeopathy without really knowing what he is getting into and who is the reason I posted in the first place about homeopathy) that in Britain homeopathy is available on the National Health Service and that there are about 6000 GPs who use homeopathic practices. True? False? What?  Have there been any important and documented investigations into homeopathic principles?  I was reading a book on homeopathy over the weekend. I turned to the section on the principles behind homeopathic medicine, and two paragraphs informed me that homeopaths don't feel obliged to provide any sort of explanation. The author stated this with pride, as though it were some sort of virtue! Why am I sceptical about homeopathy? Is it because I am a narrow-minded bigot, or is it because homeopathy really looks more like witch-doctory than anything else?  Daniele.
From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES Organization: Harris CSD, Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 23  In article <May.2.09.50.21.1993.11782@geneva.rutgers.edu> mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes: >I have seen the claims, but I don't know if there are any >authenticated cases of people making prolonged speeches in >real languages they don't know. From my observations, "speaking >in tongues" in practice has nothing at all do with this.  I have a simple test. I take several people who can speak only one language (e.g. chinese, russian, german, english). Then I let the "gifted one" start "speaking in toungues". The audience should understand the "gifted one" clearly in their native language. However, the "gifted one" can only hear himself speaking in his own language.  Works everytime. 8-) Perhaps I would believe the "gifted ones" more if they were glorifying God rather than themselves. Then perhaps we'd witness a real miracle.  --  ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley                        |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com      | The Lost Los Angelino              |
From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (Randal Lee Nicholas Mandock) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 16  In article <May.6.00.34.46.1993.15415@geneva.rutgers.edu>  news@cbnewsk.att.com writes: >Basically the teaching on infallibility >holds that the pope is infallible in matters of faith and doctrine, the >college of bishops is likewise infallible, and the laity is as well.  Not exactly correct, but nice try.  The Catholic doctrine of infallibility refers to freedom from error in teaching of the universal Church in  matters of faith or MORALS.  It is this teaching which is taken as  doctrine.    --  Randal Lee Nicholas Mandock  Catechist gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu 
From: bobc@pyramid.unr.edu (Bob Conrad) Subject: Re: New Anti-Carjacking Campaign Organization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science Lines: 16  In article <1993Apr23.013802.4157@freenet.carleton.ca> ae446@Freenet.carleton.ca (Nigel Allen) writes: > >Here is a press release from the National Crime Prevention Council >   The campaign urges drivers to remember to "lock up, roll up, and >look around": >   * lock car doors immediately after entering or leaving the car; >   * roll up windows as far as possible; and >   * look around and be alert to avoid situations that are >       suspicious.       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  that reminds me of a blurb in the police blotter in my school paper along the lines of, "...Police were called because [so and so] reported there were suspicious people hangning around the Business Building."  turns out it was two black men leaving the building after doing homework late one night.
From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: If You Were Pat Burns ... Keywords: Leaf Wings Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 24  In <1993Apr20.181549.11414@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:  >Pray for the Wings to become lazy and overconfident...the Wings >can only lose the series...Toronto cannot win it.  Take away >Doug Gilmour and the Leafs are an old Tampa Bay.  Right Gerald.  And take away Bob Probert and the Wings are dead Octopuses.  >The Leafs deserve a lot of credit for their diligent effort >during the regular season...but if Detroit puts in a reasonable >effort, this is not a contest.  Let's wait for the body to get cold before we start in with the eulogies hm?  They have only lost ONE game.  The game was in Detroit after all and Potvin did not have his best evening.  Nobody that I saw thought that the Leafs would sweep the Wings.  It looks like it might go six.  The Leafs will take the Wings home advantage away in the next game.   --   cordially, as always,                      maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca                                             "So many morons... rm                                                   ...and so little time." 
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: seizures ( infantile spasms ) Keywords: seizures epilepsy Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 23  In article <1993Apr20.184034.13779@dbased.nuo.dec.com> dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD) writes: > >If anyone knows of any database or newsgroup or as I mentioned up above, >any information relating to this disorder I would sure appreciate hearing >from you. I am not trying to play doctor here, but only trying to gather >information about it. As I know now, these particular types of disorders >are still not really well understood by the medical community, and so I'm >going to see now....if somehow the internet can at least give me alittle >insight. Thanks.    There is no database for infantile spasms, nor a newsgroup, that I know of.  The medical library will be the best source of information for you.     --  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48) Subject: Re: Soyuz and Shuttle Comparisons Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: violet.berkeley.edu  Are you guys talking about the Soviet "shuttle"?  It's not "Soyuz", it's called "Buran" which means "snow storm."  (At least that's what they call it on Russian TV).   --  Gavin Helf UC Berkeley Political Science Berkeley-Stanford Program in Soviet Studies ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu
From: csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown) Subject: Re: Picking up cable tv with an aerial. Organization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk  In article <1993Apr27.202305.4363@mav.com> toddi@mav.com (Todd Inch) writes: > >In England they do (did?) require permits to OPERATE A TV!!! >Supposedly, the "TV police" drove around with RF detectors looking for >the IF or whatever produced by a receiver that wasn't registered.  I'm >guessing the purpose was just something else they could get away with >taxing.  I don't know if the "TV police were/are just urban legend or >an actuality.  They are real, and we still pay licence fees to receive TV. The detector vans pick up the IF, true. This tells them what channel you are watching. The can also pick up the line time base freq, and frame rate (Try it with a LW/MW radio near telly, it picks up a sharp hum)  From this they can even watch (poor quality though) what *you* have on the screen, by picking up re radiating junk.  =============================================================================        _/      _/   _/   _/  _/   _/_/_/_/   |     _/_/  _/_/   _/   _/_/     _/          |         Michael Brown    _/  _/  _/   _/   _/       _/_/         |   _/      _/   _/   _/_/     _/            |    csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk  _/      _/   _/   _/  _/   _/_/_/_/  _/   |     mjb@dcs.warwick.ac.uk                                            | =============================================================================               Lost interest ?? It's so bad I've lost apathy! =============================================================================  
From: walljm@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Wall) Subject: Incredible Car...Incredible Price Article-I.D.: mentor.C52vIy.8Do Distribution: usa Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 18  My brother is preparing to pay another year  of college expenses and asked me to post this.    1987 Alfa Romeo      Gold Milano Model       V-6 Engine      Power Everything!       Seats 4 comfortably      Looks / runs great       $3,600 O.B.O.  Contact:  Brian Wall           (214) 393-1216  if interested  (Dallas Area)
From: pvtmakela@hylkn1.Helsinki.FI (M{kel{ Veikko) Subject: Astro FTP list - April issue Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 239  #                      #                        A S T R O - F T P   L I S T #                             Updated 28.04.1993 # # This  is  a  short  description  of  anonymous-ftp  file  servers  containing # astronomy  and space research related material.  I have  included only  those # servers  where  there are  special subdirectories  for  astro stuff  or  much # material  included into  a general  directories.  This list is not a complete # data set of possible places,  so I would be very happy of all kind of notices # and information depending on this listing. # # The newest version of this file is available via anonymous-ftp as: # #                nic.funet.fi:/pub/astro/general/astroftp.txt #                                        # There are also many mirror (copy) archives  for  simtel-20.army.mil (PC)  and  # sumex-aim.stanford.edu (Mac) which are not included into this list. Only some # of mirroring sites are listed. # # #                                              Veikko Makela #                                         Veikko.Makela@Helsinki.FI #                                    *Computing Centre of Univ. Helsinki* #                                      *Ursa Astronomical Association*      # Server, IP                          # Contents                                # Directories                                                                                                                                                   ames.arc.nasa.gov                     Spacecraf data and news,images,NASA data, 128.102.18.3                          Spacelink texts,VICAR software,FAQ /pub/SPACE       arp.anu.edu.au                        Images 130.56.4.90 /pub/images/nasa  atari.archive.umich.edu               Atari                                     141.211.164.8                                                                   /atari/applications/astronomy                                                                                                                                   archive.afit.af.mil                   Satellite software,documents,elements 129.92.1.66 /pub/space                                                                                 baboon.cv.nrao.edu                    AIPS document and patches,radioastronomy 192.33.115.103                        image processing,FITS test images /pub/aips  c.scs.uiuc.edu                        ROSAT,Starchart(PC)                       128.174.90.3                                                                    /pub                                                                                                                                                            ccu1.aukuni.ac.nz                     PC 130.216.1.5 /msdos/astronomy                      (*) overseas connections refused  chara.gsu.edu                         Electronical Journal of ASA, Journal of 131.96.5.10                           ASA, SAC news /  explorer.arc.nasa.gov                 Magellan, Viking and Voyager CDROMs 128.102.32.18 /cdrom  export.lcs.mit.edu                    XEphem distribution 18.24.0.12 /contrib/xephem  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     HST,IUE,Astro-1,NSSDCA info,Spacewarn, 128.183.36.23                         FITS standard                        /                                                                                                                                                          plaza.aarnet.edu.au                   images,docs,Magellan 139.130.4.6 /graphics/graphics/astro /magellan  pomona.claremont.edu                  Yale Bright Star Catalog 134.173.4.160 /YALE_BSC  pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov                  JPL news, status reports, images 128.149.6.2 /  ra.nrl.navy.mil                       Mac 128.60.0.21 /MacSciTech/astro  rascal.ics.utexas.edu                 Mac                                       128.83.138.20 /mac                                                                                                                                                            rigel.acs.oakland.edu                 PC 141.210.10.117 /pub/msdos/astronomy  rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de           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          sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de            PC,misc 129.206.100.126 /pub/msdos/astronomy  techreports.larc.nasa.gov             NASA Langley technical reports 128.155.3.58 /pub/techreports/larc  tetra.gsfc.nasa.gov                   FITSIO subroutines                              128.183.8.77                                                                    /pub                                                                                 unbmvs1.csd.unb.ca                    Space geodesy,solar activity info 131.202.1.2 pub.canspace  vmd.cso.uiuc.edu                      Weather satellite images 128.174.5.98 /wx  world.std.com                         PC; source codes 192.74.137.5 /pub/astronomy  xi.uleth.ca                           Solar reports,auroral activity forecast 142.66.3.29                           maps,solar images,x-ray plot,coronal /pub/solar                            emission plots  # Some abbreviations: # #   c = copy (mirror) of other archive     # ----- # My 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From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) Subject: Re: Numerical Nothingness Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 38  In article <1993Apr18.140401.18439@freenet.carleton.ca> ad684@Freenet.carleton.ca (Bob Wilson) writes: > >Mario averaged 2.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 >points per game ... the Antigretz  Gretzky averaged 2.69 pts/game  >Mario projected over 80 games. >213 points (beats Wayne's record by 1)  Check your information before posting, Gretzky's record is 215 pts in 80 games.   >Over 84 games 97 g + 127 a = 224 points. > Over 84 games, Gretzky's total projected 226 points.  >Pitt's winning percentage with Mario (45-10-5) over 84 games >-> 133 points.   Would this have been a record? >I know Mtl had 132 one year.  The 76-77 Canadiens had .825 percentage, 132 pts in 80 games. (60-8-12). The 29-30 Bruins had a .875 winning percentage. Also the 77-78 Canadiens had a .806 percentage with a 59-10-11 record.  >Bob Wilson >ad684@freenet.carleton.ca    %*%*%*%**%*%%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*   *   __  ______________         ____________________________________    %    %   \ \_)____________/         A L L E Z   L E S   B L U E S  ! ! !    *    *    \    __________/          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    %    %     \    ________/                                                   *   *      \   _______/                  Joe Ashkar                        %    %       \  \                         Contact for the Blues             *   *        \  \  SAINT LOUIS           jca2@cec1.wustl.edu               %    %        (___)             BLUES                                       *    *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% 
From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin) Subject: Re: Assurance of Hell Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 31  In article <Apr.20.03.01.19.1993.3755@geneva.rutgers.edu> REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes: > >2)  If you haven't accepted Jesus are your Savior, you're taking an awful >chance.  As I say to the Jehovah Witnesses (who no longer frequent my door), if >you are right and I am wrong, then I will have lived a good life and will die >and cease to exist, but if I am right and you are wrong, then you will die and >suffer eternal damnation.  I don't mean to make fun at this point, but its like >Dirty Harry said, "You've got to ask yourself, 'Do I feel lucky?'  Well do >you?"  "A man's got to know his limitations."  Don't be one of the "whosoever >wont's."    This is a ridiculous argument for being a Christian.  So then, you might  consider switching from Christianity to another religion if you were  offered an even more frightening description of another hell?  How many Christians do think there are who view it strictly as an insurance policy? Not many I know; they believe in a message of love and compassion for  others.  A faith based on fear of hell sounds like a dysfunctional  relationship with God.  Like a child who cringes in fear of a parent's physical violence.    Many religions have concrete views of heaven and hell, with various threats and persuasions regarding who will go where.  Competition over who can envison the worst hell can hardly nurture the idea of loving your neighbor as yourself.  >--Rex  --  comments, criticism welcome... -Ken alvin@ucsu.colorado.edu
From: bytor@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us Subject: Lupus Keywords: Information wanted Article-I.D.: cruzio.5254 Reply-To: bytor@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us Lines: 12   I have a friend who has just been diagnosed with Lupus, and I know nothing about this disease. The only thing I do know is that this is some sort of skin disease, and my friend shows no skin rashes - in fact, they used a  blood test to determine what had been wrong with an on going sacro- illiac joint problem.  I am finding a hard time finding information on this disease. Could anyone please enlighten me as to the particulars of this disease.  please feel free to E-mail me at  bytor@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us  Thanks in advance.
From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO Lines: 26 	<1993Apr20.204838.13217@cs.rochester.edu>	<STEINLY.93Apr20145301@topaz.ucsc.edu>	<1993Apr20.223807.16712@cs.rochester.edu>,<STEINLY.93Apr20160116@topaz.ucsc.edu> 	<1r46j3INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu In-reply-to: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu's message of 21 Apr 1993 19:16:51 GMT  In article <1r46j3INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) writes:     In article <STEINLY.93Apr20160116@topaz.ucsc.edu>, steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:     >Very cost effective if you use the right accounting method :-)     Sherzer Methodology!!!!!!  Hell, yes. I'm not going to let a bunch of seven suits tell me what the right way to estimate cost effectiveness is, at least not until they can make their mind up long enough to leave their scheme stable for a fiscal year or two.   Seriously though. If you were to ask the British government whether their colonisation efforts in the Americas were cost effective, what answer do you think you'd get? What if you asked in 1765, 1815, 1865, 1915 and 1945 respectively? ;-)  *  Steinn Sigurdsson   			Lick Observatory      	* *  steinly@lick.ucsc.edu		"standard disclaimer"  	* *  If you ever have to go to Shoeburyness			* *  Take the A-road, the ok road, that's the best!		* *  Go motoring on The A13!	- BB 1983			*  
From: tom@igc.apc.org Subject: computer cult Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1469100033:000:2451 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!tom    Apr 24 09:26:00 1993 Lines: 59   From: <tom> Subject: computer cult  From scott Fri Apr 23 16:31:21 1993 Received: by igc.apc.org (4.1/Revision: 1.77 ) 	id AA16121; Fri, 23 Apr 93 16:31:09 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 16:31:09 PDT Message-Id: <9304232331.AA16121@igc.apc.org> From: Scott Weikart <scott> Sender: scott To: cdplist Subject: Next stand-off? Status: R  Redwood City, CA (API) -- A tense stand-off entered its third week today as authorities reported no progress in negotiations with charismatic cult leader Steve Jobs.  Negotiators are uncertain of the situation inside the compound, but some reports suggest that half of the hundreds of followers inside have been terminated.  Others claim to be staying of their own free will, but Jobs' persuasive manner makes this hard to confirm.  In conversations with authorities, Jobs has given conflicting information on how heavily prepared the group is for war with the industry.  At times, he has claimed to "have hardware which will blow anything else away", while more recently he claims they have stopped manufacturing their own.  Agents from the ATF (Apple-Taligent Forces) believe that the group is equipped with serious hardware, including 486-caliber pieces and possibly Canon equipment.  The siege has attracted a variety of spectators, from the curious to other cultists.  Some have offered to intercede in negotiations, including a young man who will identify himself only as "Bill" and claims to be the "MS-iah".  Former members of the cult, some only recently deprogrammed, speak hesitantly of their former lives, including being forced to work 20-hour days, and subsisting on Jolt and Twinkies.  There were frequent lectures in which they were indoctrinated into a theory of "interpersonal computing" which rejects traditional roles.  Late-night vigils on Chesapeake Drive are taking their toll on federal marshals.  Loud rock and roll, mostly Talking Heads, blares throughout the night.  Some fear that Jobs will fulfill his own apocalyptic prophecies, a worry reinforced when the loudspeakers carry Jobs' own speeches -- typically beginning with a chilling "I want to welcome you to the 'Next World' ".  - - --  Roland J. Schemers III              |            Networking Systems Systems Programmer                  |            G16 Redwood Hall (415) 723-6740 Distributed Computing Group         |            Stanford, CA 94305-4122 Stanford University                 |            schemers@Slapshot.Stanford.EDU  
From: alisonjw@spider.co.uk (Alison J Wyld) Subject: Re: Translations Organization: Spider Systems Limited, Edinburgh, UK. Lines: 22  In article <May.10.05.07.52.1993.3559@athos.rutgers.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: > >I have a strong preference for editions that do _not_ indent the beginning >of each verse as if verses were paragraphs.  The verse numbering is a >relatively modern addition and should not be given undue prominence. >  Does anyone know of an English language edition that does not show the verse (or even chapter) numbers.  I have always thought that such an edition would be very useful - although hard to navigate around.  I have a Scots NT that doesn't show verse numbers, and it is great to read, particularly longer narrative passages, but my Scots isn't quite up to doing proper study from this edition - I tend to use it to get a "feel" for a story, particularly in the gospels, and then use an English edition to look for details.  Alison  [The original NEB put verse numbers only in the margin.  The Jerusalem Bible does the same, though they put a dot to mark the boundaries between verses.   --clh]
From: acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu Subject: Idle questions for fellow atheists Organization: Macalester College Lines: 26   I wonder how many atheists out there care to speculate on the face of the world if atheists were the majority rather than the minority group of the population.  It is rather a ridiculous question in some ways, I know, but my newsreader is down so I am not getting any new postings for a bit, so I figure I might as well post something new myself.  Also, how many atheists out there would actually take the stance and accor a higher value to their way of thinking over the theistic way of thinking.  The typical selfish argument would be that both lines of thinking evolved from the same inherent motivation, so one is not, intrinsically, different from the other, qualitatively.  But then again a measuring stick must be drawn somewhere, and if we cannot assign value to a system of beliefs at its core, than the only other alternative is to apply it to its periphery; ie, how it expresses its own selfishness.  Idle thoughts...   Adam  ******************************************************************************** * Adam John Cooper		"Verily, often have I laughed at the weaklings * *				   who thought themselves good simply because  * * acooper@macalstr.edu				they had no claws."	       * ********************************************************************************
From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: Megatest Corporation Lines: 24  In article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes: > >Greetings! >       >        Situation:  I have a phone jack mounted on a wall.  I don't >                    know the number of the line.  And I don't want >                    to call up the operator to place a trace on it. > >        Question:   Is there a certain device out there that I can >                    use to find out the number to the line? >        Thanks for any response. >                                                    Al  There is a number you can call which will return a synthesized voice telling you the number of the line.  Unfortunately, for the life of me I can't remember what it is. The telephone technicians use it all the time.  We used to play around with this in our dorm rooms since there were multiple phone lines running between rooms.  sorry!  aaron 
From: cmtan@iss.nus.sg (Tan Chade Meng - dan) Subject: Christianity & Logic (was: Xtian Morality is) Organization: Institute Of Systems Science, NUS X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 59   In article <4949@eastman.UUCP> dps@nasa.kodak.com writes: >Simple logic arguments are folly.  If you read the Bible you will see >that Jesus made fools of those who tried to trick him with "logic".   >        If you rely simply on your reason then you will never >know more than you do now.         ^^^^^^   I once heard an arguement from a xtian friend similar to this. "Christianity is a Higher Logic.  Athiest like u will not be able to understand it.  Your atheist logic is very low.  Only thru faith can  we understand the Higher Logic in God".  So I asked him, "So what is this Higher Logic?"  His answer, "I don't know."  This, & the posting above highlights one of the worst things about xtainity.  It is abundantly clear to both atheists & xtains that their believe is both illogical & irrational.  Their tactics, therefore: to disregard logic & rationality altogether.  Silly excuses such as the ones above and those such as, "How can u trust science, science was invented by man!", only goes to further show the weakness of their religion.  In my country where xtainity was and still is rapidly growing, xtains never try to convert people by appealing to their brains or senses. They know it would be a fruitless act, given the irrational nature of their faith. They would wait until a person is in distress, then they would comfort him/her and addict them to their emotional opium.  Never in my life had I met a person who converted to xtainity coz it's "reasonable".  Rationality has no place in xtainity (see xtian arguement against "reason" above).  --  The UnEnlightened One ------------------+--------------------------------------------------------                   |  Tan Chade Meng    | The wise man tells his wife that he understands her. Singapore         |  cmtan@iss.nus.sg  | The fool tries to prove it.                    |  ------------------+--------------------------------------------------------   --  The UnEnlightened One ------------------+--------------------------------------------------------                   |  Tan Chade Meng    | The wise man tells his wife that he understands her. Singapore         |  cmtan@iss.nus.sg  | The fool tries to prove it.                    |  ------------------+-------------------------------------------------------- 
From: dozier@utkux1.utk.edu (Anni Dozier) Subject: SOC.RELIGION.CHRISTIAN Organization: University of Tennessee, Department of Conferences Lines: 7  After reading the posts on this newsgroup for the pasts 4 months, it  has become apparent to me that this group is primarily active with  Liberals, Catholics, New Agers', and Athiests.  Someone might think  to change the name to:  soc.religion.any   - or -  perhaps even soc.religion.new.  It might seem to be more appropriate. Heck, don't flame me, I'm Catholic, gay, and I voted  for Bill Clinton.  I'm on your side!                      
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: DC-X update??? Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 35  In article <1993Apr14.231654.14060@stsci.edu> rdouglas@stsci.edu (Rob Douglas) writes:  >This question is probably mostly for Allen Sherzer, but anyone who KNOWS >would be welcome to answer.  I was just wondering if we could have some kind >of update on DC-X.  Well it rolled out two weeks ago. As we speak it is at White Sands getting ready. I would have called my sources for the latest but they are all out of town (in NM).  As for the future, there is at least $5M in next years budget for work on SSRT. They (SDIO) have been looking for more funds and do seem to have some. However, SDIO is not (I repeat, is not) going to fund an orbital prototype. The best we can hope from them is to 1) keep it alive for another year, and 2) fund a suborbital vehicle which MIGHT (with major modifications) just make orbit. There is also some money for a set of prototype tanks and projects to answer a few more open questions.  Better news comes from the new Spacelifter effort. The USAF managers of this program are very open to SSTO and will have about $50M next year for studies. This would be enough to bring DC-Y to PDR.  Now not all of this money will go to DC but a good case could be made for spending half on DC.  Public support is STILL critical. Meet with your Congressperson (I'll help you do it) and get his/her support. Also call your local media ans get them to cover the flight tests.     Allen --  +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor:   "Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"   | | W. Churchill: "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."             | +----------------------62 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+
From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Nicknames Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 36  Maddi Hausmann (madhaus@netcom.com) wrote: : jcopelan@nyx.cs.du.edu (The One and Only) writes: >  : >We could start with those posters who annoy us the most, like Bobby or : >Bill.  : Your wish is my command.  : Bill "Shit-stirrer" Connor : Bobby "Circular" Mozumder  I'm not sure my new nom d'net is exactly appropriate, but it comes very close. Considering what I have to wade through before I make one of my insightful, dead-on-the-money repsonses, I have to agree that something's getting stirred up. I would like to believe my characterization of what I respond to would be kinder though, but if you insist ...  I am also surprised to find that I have offended anyone, but in some cases it's unavoidable if I am to say anything at all. For those to whom fairness is important, check out my contributions, haven't I been most generous and patient, a veritable paragon of gentility?  Oh, BTW, I don't mind being paired with Bobby; I admire his tenacity. How many of you would do as well in this hostile environment - you think -I'm- offensive ?! read your own posts ...  Love and kisses,  Bill  P.S.  My name is Conner, not Connor. No point in humiliating the innocents.  
From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 51  In article <1993Apr2.115300.803@batman.bmd.trw.com>, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: |> In article <C4twso.8M2@HQ.Ileaf.COM>, mukesh@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mukesh Prasad) writes: |> > In article <1993Apr1.142854.794@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: |> >> In article <1p8v1aINN9e9@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis) writes: |> >> > bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: |> >> >  |> >> >>- The Earth is evil because Satan rules over it. |> >> >  |> >> > This is a new one to me.  I guess it's been a while since a Witness |> >> > bothered with me.  Are they implying that Satan is omniscient?  You |> >> > might try tricking them into saying that Satan is 'all-knowing' and |> >> > then use that statement to show them how their beliefs are |> >> > self-contradictary.   |> >>  |> >> No, Satan is not omniscient, but he does hold dominion over the earth |> >> according to Christian theology (note, not to be confused with JW's |> >> theology).  |> >>  |> >  |> > What are the standard theologies on who/what created Satan, |> > and why? |> >  |>  |> Orthodox Christian theology states that God created Lucifer (Satan) |> along with the other angels, presumably because He wanted beings to |> celebrate (glorify) existence and life (and thereby, God) along with |> Him.  Actually the whys and wherefores of God's motivations for  |> creating the angels are not a big issue within Christian theology. |>  |> But God created Lucifer with a perfect nature and gave him along with |> the other angels free moral will.  Lucifer was a high angel (perhaps |> the highest) with great authority.  It seems that his greatness caused |> him to begin to take pride in himself and desire to be equal to or |> greater than God.  He forgot his place as a created being.  He exalted |> himself above God, and thereby evil and sin entered creation.  Actually, the story goes that Lucifer refused to bow before MAN as  God commanded him to.  Lucifer was devoted to God.  Oh yeah, there is nothing in Genesis that says the snake was anything more than a snake (well, a talking one...had legs at the time, too).  I don't think pointing out contradictions in STORIES is the best way to show the error in theology:  if they think a supernatural entity kicked the first humans out of paradise because they bit into a fruit that gave them special powers...well, they might not respond well to reason and logic.  :^)  Brian /-|-\  
From: RFP@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu (Rebecca Priver) Subject: Summer Sublet Wanted in DC Organization: Johns Hopkins University, Homewood Academic Computing Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu  Wanted: Summer sublet in NW DC, on red Metro line. Have own bedroom, but can         share common areas with others.  Apartment or room for $400 or less.         Move in Memorial Day weekend through end of August.  No smokers.   Email PRINAOA @ YALEVM or RFP@JHUVM    
From: picl25@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu (PICL account_25) Subject: Re: cats and pregnancy Organization: Florida State University - School of Higher Thought News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1   Reply-To: picl25@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu Lines: 24  In article <1993Apr27.043035.22609@etl.go.jp>, klaus@ipri.go.jp (Klaus Hofmann;(6663)) writes... >I heard that a certain disease (toxoplasmosys?) is transmitted by cats which >can harm the unborn fetus. Does anybody know about it? Is it a problem to  >have a cat in the same apartment?  The disease you are talking about is toxoplasmosis.  It is a protozoan that  lives and multiplies within cells.  In cats, the protozoan multiplies in the intestinal cells and eggs are shed in the cat's feces.  The protozoa can cross the placenta to infect the fetus.  The disease may be asymptomatic after the baby is born, or it may be very severe.  Toxo may cause blindness and mental retardation.  Having a cat in the same apartment should not be a problem; however, pregnant women should not scoop or change the cat's litterbox.  In addition, whoever does empty the litterbox should thoroughly wash his/her hands before handling anything else, especially food.  Information came from _The Merck Manual, 15th Ed._  I hope this information is helpful to you.  Elisa picl25@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu 
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Subject: help for school From: mcrandall@eagle.wesleyan.edu Organization: Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu Lines: 14  I am a newbie to the net, and I am trying to get some information for a paper I am working on to get back into college.  If anyone can send me data on Solar coronal holes and recurrant aurora  for the past thirty years it would be a big help.  Or, if you have information on more esoteric things like Telluric current, surge bafflers power companies use, or other effects sporatic aurora have on the Earth's magnetic field, I'd be eternally gratefull.  Please send  anything interesting to me at         Marty Crandall-Grela         Van Vleck Observatory         Wesleyan University         Middletown,Ct 06487  or e-mail it to me at mcrandall@eagle.wesleyan.edu  Thank-you in advance,      Marty 
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) Subject: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart..." Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 48  In article <Apr.14.03.07.38.1993.5420@athos.rutgers.edu> johnsd2@rpi.edu writes: >In article 28388@athos.rutgers.edu, jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: > >> Drugs are a replacement for Christ. >>Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must  >>do something to ease the pain. > >I have heard this claim quite a few times. Does anybody here know >who first came up with the "God-shaped hole" business? > >>  This is why the most effective  >>substance-abuse recovery programs involve meeting peoples' spiritual  >>needs. > >You might want to provide some evidence next time you make a claim >like this. > In 12-step programs (like Alcoholics Anonymous), one of the steps involves acknowleding a "higher power".  AA and other 12-step abuse- recovery programs are acknowledged as being among the most effective.  Unfortunately, as evidence for God, this can be dismissed by stating that the same defect of personality makes substance abusers as makes  people 'religious', and the debunker could perhaps acknowledge that being religious is a better crutch than being a drug addict, but still maintain that both are escapism.  (And I suspect that there are some atheists who would find the substance abuse preferable to Christianity.)  I think that an essential problem with communication between Christ- ians and atheists is that as Christians we necessarily see ourselves as incomplete, and needing God (the 'God-shaped hole'), while atheists necessarily see themselves as self-sufficient.  If the atheists are right, Christians are guilty of being morally weak, and too cowardly to stand up for themselves; if the Christians are right, the atheists are guilty of considerable arrogance.  (I use the term atheist to refer to a person who has a definite conviction that there is no God, as opposed to one who does not know and/or does not care about God.) == Seanna Watson   Bell-Northern Research,       | Pray that at the end of living, (seanna@bnr.ca) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada       | Of philosophies and creeds,                                               | God will find his people busy Opinion, what opinions? Oh *these* opinions.  | Planting trees and sowing seeds. No, they're not BNR's, they're mine.          | I knew I'd left them somewhere.               |  --Fred Kaan  (let's see...I spelled 'sowing' right; I got the author's name right--maybe my 3rd iteration .sig will be a keeper.)
From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Reply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton) Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Distribution: usa Lines: 24  As quoted from <1993Apr17.025258.7013@microsoft.com> by anthonyf@microsoft.com (Anthony Francisco):  > cmort: > | If anybody wanted proof of the nonsense of the "you can't build guns" claim, > | they need look no farther than the Philippines.  Amateur gunsmiths there > | regularly produce everything from .45 automatics to full auto shotguns.  Now > | if this guy wants to claim that the Philippines is either technologically > | superior to the US or that their transportation is better than ours, all I > | can say is that he's living in a fantasy world. >  > Unfortunately a few of those .45s blow up in your hands.  That's life.  First you marry Imelda Marcos, then you die! :)  > On the other hand, my compatriots built an excellent copy of a Beretta that > I enjoyed using when I lived in the Philippines. Hmmmm.  And that's the HARD stuff to copy!  --  =================================================================== "You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in Arkansas" - Holly Silva
From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () Subject: Re: Fungus "epidemic" in CA? Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 26 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu  In article <19435@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >>In article steward@cup.portal.com (John Joseph Deltuvia) writes: >> >>>There was a story a few weeks ago on a network news show about some sort >>>of fungus which supposedly attacks the bone structure and is somewhat >>>widespread in California.  Anybody hear anything about this one? >> > >The only fungus I know of from California is Coccidiomycosis.  I >hadn't heard that it attacked bone.  It attacks lung and if you >are especially unlucky, the central nervous system.  Nothing new >about it.  It's been around for years.  THey call it "valley >fever", since it is found in the inland valleys, not on the coast.  There is a mini-epidemic of Coccidiodes that is occurring in, I believe, the Owen's Valley/ Bishop area east of the Sierras. I don't believe there has been any great insight into the increased incidence in that area. There is a low-level of endemic infection in that region. Many people with evidence of past exposure to the organism did not have serious disease.  Brian >  
From: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 37 Reply-To: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu  From article <1pq6i2$a1f@news.ysu.edu>, by ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker): >  > Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking) > Ashtrays (smokers seem to think it's just fine to use the road)  	Oh, sure -- sorry, but the absence of a cupholder is not gonna discourage anyone from eating/drinking in the car;  let's just put one in anyway, so at least they don't have the further distraction of trying not to spill it. 	Furthermore, you are obviously not a smoker; on a cold day, it takes a certain skill to toss a butt out of a cracked window without having it wind-deflect into the back seat.  Also, just 'cause some smokers use the window, doesn't mean all of us do. 	This reminds me of *one* pleasant feature in the otherwise ergonomically-hellish interior of the Alfa Romeo Milano:  you could ash your cigarette without even removing your hand from the wheel; the 'tray was *right*there*.  > Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs. > Any gold trim.  	These, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake continental spare-tire kit -- it's sad watching those little old ladies  try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion in the way. 	Most pitiful fake convertible top: on a "Cadillac" Cimarron, with all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*. Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw...  %\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\% ___    A      laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu | |   {*}     Redhead Afficionado Extraordinaire   *and* | |  __V__    Little Canadia's Minister of Fine Tobaccos |_|o_|%%%|0_  Cigaret brands sampled: 55 import/luxury, 17 handrolling    |       |    |       |  These opinions are not necessarily mine (or mine, either).    |_______| -----> Can anyone bum me a .sig?
Subject: Re: Wings News and Playoff Thoughts From: kwolfer@eagle.wesleyan.edu  <1993Apr23.084816.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> <1r8u6v$prv@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Organization: Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: willet.wesleyan.edu Lines: 14  In article <1r8u6v$prv@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu>, twork@egr.msu.edu (Michael Twork) writes: >>roots in Detroit.  He would be a valuable asset to the Wings and Perhaps the >>Rangers could get a Zombo in return? >  >    >   > Wake up and smell the Norris!!  Rick Zombo was traded to the Blues for Vince > Riendo (sp?) last season.   >  > - Mike >  Sorry Mike! What defensemen would the Wings be willing to give up for Beezer?   > 
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From: roney@selkirk.sfu.ca (Chris J. Roney) Subject: Re: Hey, What about teh Cannucks? Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 24  grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers) writes:  >Hi all,  >Due to living in the Bay Area, I as unable to see Vancouver's victory over >the Jets last night.  I know the score, but that rarely describes the game. >Could someone please post a brief sonapsis (sp?) of waht happened.  How well >did each team play?  Were the cannucks deserving of the victory?       Well, in my opinion the Canucks played a really strong game. I was especially pleased by a very strong game from Linden - I think he could be a key to success for them this year.  Defensively, they really had a strong game.  Hardly heard Selanne's name all night. Craven also played one of his best games since coming over.  With a few exceptions, they really didn't let the high-flying Jets do much high-flying.  I thought the Jets defence looked overmatched by the Canucks forwards - they will have to improve on that if they want to make this a series.      In short, it was a great start!  --  Chris Roney  (e-mail chris_roney@sfu.ca)
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From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: RE: Does God love you? Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 32  davem@bnr.ca (Dave Mielke) writes,  >  However, God's love is qualified.  The Bible says: >  >      The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD:  but he >      loveth him that followeth after righteousness.   Proverbs 15:9 >  >      For  the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of >      the ungodly shall perish.                            Psalm 1:6      I am extremely uncomfortable with this way of phrasing it.  God's love  is unconditional, unqualified, unfathomable.  We are capable of  rejecting God's love but He never fails to love us.  These verses do not show that God's love is qualified but rather that He  is opposed to evil.  I am uncomfortable with the tract in general because there seems to be  an innappropriate emphasis on Hell.  God deserves our love and worship  because of who He is.  I do not like the idea of frightening people into  accepting Christ.    I see evangelism as combining a way of living that shows God's love with  putting into words and explaining that love.  Preaching the Gospel  without living the Gospel is no better than being a noisy gong or a  clanging cymbal.  Here's a question:  How many of you are Christians because you are  afraid of going to Hell?  How many are responding to God's love?  Jayne Kulikauskas/jayne@mmalt.guild.org
From: "Matthew T. Keating" <mk55+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Bowman needs credit Organization: Freshman, IM - H&SS Track, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu  During the first three games of the Pens-Devils series, I have been impressed time and time again by the pure talent of the Pens.  Jagr, MacEachern and Barrasso have been especially fun to watch.  But, one element of this team which goes unnoticed seems to be Scotty Bowman.  Despite Brooks' lunatic comments, and despite the Devils' line changing adantage in last night's game, Bowman has been able to keep his cool and keep the Devils in the dark.  Granted, the hell-dwellers had the Pens bottled up for a while last night, but Bowman was eventually able to configure his line-up to get the job done.  His ability to throw out new looks and strategies at a moments notice is incredible.  Bowman seems to have a terrific ability of reading his players on an individual basis.  Last night, for instance, he realized that the speed of Jagr, Straka, and MacEachern was throwing the Devils off balance.  As a result, Straka received many more shifts than average; Jagr played almost the entire game (he was always on the puck), and MacEachern scored a goal, while complementing Jagr many times throughout the night. His ability to commit to one player in crucial situations is commendable, especially when a coach of such a talented team might simply rely on the overall talent to dominate, and to bring about success.  While no one can replace the genius and optimism of Badger Bob Johnson, Bowman, in his own way, has made himself a permanent, though not clearly seen, mark in  Pittsburgh. 
From: C.H.A.Wong@bradford.ac.uk (CHA WONG) Subject: How can you see the launch of the Space Shuttle ? Organization: University of Bradford, UK Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]   Sorry for asking a question that's not entirely based on the technical aspects of space, but I couldn't find the answer on the FAQs !  I'm currently in the UK, which makes seeing a Space Shuttle launch a little difficult.....  However, I have been selected to be an exchange student at Louisiana State Uni. from August, and I am absolutely determined to get to see a Space Shuttle launch sometime during the year at which I will be in America.  I hear there's a bit of a long mailing list, so if someone can tell me how to get tickets and where to get them from, then please E-mail me !  Thanks very much for your patience....  (And if anyone else wants to know, tell me and I'll summarize for you - just to save all those poor people who have to pay for their links !) --  ===============================    April is the cruellest month Andrew Wong                    \   Mixing memory and desire -----x-----                     \ E-mail:C.H.A.Wong@bradford.ac.uk \ T.S.Eliot - The Wasteland 1918
From: regy105@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (James Haw) Subject: Presentation Package for preaching? Organization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand Lines: 16  Hi,    What presentation package would you recommend for a Bible teacher?    I've checked out Harwards Graphics for Windows. I think its more suitable for sales people than for preachers or Bible teachers to present an outline of a message.     I'm looking for one that: *  is great for overhead projector slides. *  has or imports clip arts *  works with Word for Windows or imports Word for Windows files. *  works with inkjet printers    If you know of any that meets part or all of the above, please let me know. Please email your response as I don't keep up with the newsgroup.  Thanking you in advance, James.
From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon) Subject: Re: JFFO has gone a bit too far Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu Distribution: usa Lines: 29  rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) writes:   >|>Would somebody please post evidence that the gun control act of >|>1968 is "a verbatim transcription" of a nazi law?  >|The "evidence" is that the two laws are basically identical. >|However, that's not evidence that one is a copy of the other.  >|There's no evidence that the 68 GCA's authors used the nazi law as a >|guide.  Yes, they ended up with roughly the same thing, but that comes >|from their shared goal, disarming those menacing minorities.  >I thought the same thing too, until JPFO's RKBA article  >in the latest Guns & Ammo >at the newstands. This article makes it certain that Sen. Thomas Dodd >(D-MD?) back before 1968 definitely asked for a translation of the  >German weapons laws back then. Read the article, and see what you think >of JPFO's argument. They note that Ted Kennedy and John Dingell are >among the three of the originals left from the 1968 stuff, and they >are asking that folks request of John Dingell that he introduce  >legislation to lift GCA '68, something which I would support whole- >heartedly!  >|-andy  Can someone post a general idea of what GCA '68 does? Thanks. 
Organization: Arizona State University From: <ICJPS@ASUACAD.BITNET> Subject: Re: Mercury Villager Minivan -- good buy? Distribution: usa  <C5yDwp.6G0@ncube.com> Lines: 15  In article <C5yDwp.6G0@ncube.com>, bob@ncube.com (Bob Kehoe) says: > >Either choice is good, but beware that >I did not experience reasonable mileage >with the V6.  Average city driving was ><15mpg, with about 21 avg. on the highway.  My Nissan Quest has been doing 20mpg city, though its first few tanks were more like 17mpg.  The V6 and AT are remarkably smooth. --- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Johnny P. Stephens           | Sig file upgrade on backorder.  Will be Distance Learning Technology | here "any day now." Arizona State University     |  Opinions expressed are mine. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) Subject: Space Clippers launched X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 14    >  SPACE CLIPPERS LAUNCHED SUCCESSFULLY  When I first saw this, I thought for a second that it was a headline from The Star about the pliers found in the SRB recently.  Y'know, sometimes they have wire-cutters built in :-)  -Tommy Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk   \\ As the radius of vision increases, 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. -------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: jlj@engr.latech.edu (James L. Jeansonne) Subject: Re: 486DX/33 CPU chip for sale, $250 Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 37 Distribution: world Reply-To: jlj@engr.latech.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pulsar.engr.latech.edu  	In article 12144@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca, cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly       KS) writes: >In article <C5qoBy.9n5@utdallas.edu> goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: >>>> 486DX/33 CPU chip for sale, $250+shipping.  If you like to pay $250 for the >>>> chip, you will get it immediately.  Otherwise, I will take the highest offer >>>> in a few days.  Thanks. >>>>  >>>Please refer to 7870, he is selling $150 for that CPU. >> >>Correct. & $150 may be high now that AMD has started selling 486 clones! >> > >You're both dreaming. That guy who is selling at $150 is ripping himself off and >once those chips are gone it'll be a while before you see that price again, AMD >or not. A clone is still a clone, if you want the genuine article then you pay >for it. Just because one guy decides to sell at a ridiculously low price doesn'tmean everyone else has to. > >Kevin >   	Heay bud, get a life in the real world.... Do you still play with your Atari with the paddles? Geez man,  open your eyes on the technoledgy of today...  I have been quoted a price from a local dealer friend of mine, that I could get a  Motherboard (386DX/33 with 64K cache, with 1 meg base ram.) for $285 !!  	Here is some friendly advice, go to your favorite book store (Walden Book's) and pick up a Computer Shoppers Guide...  	You think that was aa good price wait till you see some of the OTHER goodies they sell  				James Jeansonne 				     aka 				  The Master   
From: RZAA80@email.sps.mot.com (Jim Chott) Subject: Re: Toyota Land Cruiser worth it? Nntp-Posting-Host: 222.18.80.28 Organization: Major semiconductor company Lines: 25  In article <1r3sbbINN8e0@hp-col.col.hp.com>, tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke) wrote: >  > My wife and I looked at, and drove one last fall. This was a 1992 model. > It was WAYYYYYYYYY underpowered. I could not imagine driving it in the > mountains here in Colorado at anything approaching highway speeds. I > have read that the new 1993 models have a newer, improved hp engine.  >  > I'm quite serious that I laughed in the salesman face when he said "once > it's broken in it will feel more powerful". I had been used to driving a > Jeep 4.0L 190hp engine. I believe the 92's Land Cruisers (Land Yachts) > were 3.0L, the sames as the 4Runner, which is also underpowered (in my  The 91 and 92 Cruisers run the 4.0L straight 6 which only has about 150hp  and 220lb-ft of torque.  Plenty off-highway, marginal on the highway. The 93 has a much improved 4.2L straight 6 with >200hp and 275ft-lb torque.  > They are big cars, very roomy, but nothing spectacular.  If you take them on rough trails, you'll see the difference.  The Cruiser is an order of magnitude better in off-highway ability.  Jim Chott                            85 Toyota 4WD pickup rzaa80@email.sps.mot.com             72 LeMans Sport Convertible Tempe, Arizona
From: benha@castle.ed.ac.uk (Ben Hambidge) Subject: Committing my life to God? Organization: Edinburgh University Lines: 42  Hi everyone,  I'm trying to find my way to God, but find it difficult as I can't hear God talking to me, letting me know that he exists and is with me and that he knows me, and I feel that I can't possibly get to know him until he does. Maybe he _is_ talking to me but I just don't know or understand how to listen.  Some Christians tell me that (in their opinion) the only way to find God is to take a plunge and commit your life to him, and you will discover. This idea of diving into the totally unknown is a little bit frightening, but I have a few questions.  1) How do you actually commit yourself? If I just say, "OK God, her you go, I'm committing my life to you", I wouldn't really feel that he'd listened - at least, I couldn't be sure that he had. So how does one (or how did you) commit oneself to God?  2) In committing myself in this way, what do I have to forfeit of my current life? What can I no longer do? I feel that I'm as 'good' as many Christians, and I try to uphold the idea of 'loving your neighbour' - I don't go round killing people, stealing, etc., and I try not to get jealous of other people in any way - and I would say that I keep to the standards of treating other people as well as many Christians. So what do I have to give up?  3) When committed, what do I have to do? What does it involve? What (if any) burdens am I taking on?  4) So then, what's the general difference before and after? I assume, that (like on your birthday you don't suddenly feel a year older) it won't suddenly change my life the day I commit myself. So what happens?  5) How can I be sure that it is the right thing to do? How can I find out what the 'it' in the last sentence actually _is_?!  Thanks very much for all your help in answering these questions. Perhaps e-mail would be a better way to reply, but it's up to you.  Ben. <benha@castle.ed.ac.uk>    <JANET:benha@uk.ac.ed.castle> (20 year-old at University in Scotland)
From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher) Subject: Re: History question Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex Lines: 24 Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu  Others said: {early PA?} # I recall reading of a phonograph which used mechanical amplification. # Compressed air was squirted out of a valve which was controlled by the # pickup.  The result was noisy and distinctly lo-fi, but much louder # than a conventional phonograph.  It tended to wear the disks out # pretty quickly though.  An now-deceased prof told us willing students about a project he had worked on during WWII.  They needed a mega-power PA with very clear audio quality. The purpose was to bellow at refugees from aircraft.  Their solution was a giant compressed-air source, and a horn with parallel shutters worked by a small audio system. I think he said it worked very well, thus the War Dept. cancelled the project ;_}.   -- A host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu & no one will talk to a host that's close............(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) Subject: Re: How do I quickly switch between Windows screen resolutions? Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA Distribution: na X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user               at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those               of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 27  In article <C5qLr8.DJL@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> slg@slgsun.att.com (The   Idealistic Cynic) writes: >   > Can someone out there tell me how to switch Window's screen resolution > quickly and easily?  I know that I can go back into install to do it, > but what I'd really like is to have is the ability to just change a > couple of startup or configuration files and have the resolution > changed.  I already have both video drivers that I need on my system, > so that isn't a problem. >   > Thanks, >   > Sean. >   > --- > Sean L. Gilley > sean.l.gilley@att.com  <-- USE THIS ADDRESS, ALL OTHERS BOUNCE! > 614 236 5031 (h), 614 860 5743 (w) >   There is a shareware program called v-switch.zip. I don't remember if it   is on wuarchive.wustl.edu or on ftp.cica.indiana.edu.    It is easy to use and does the job with no problem.  -Eric  ebosco@us.oracle.com
From: kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) Subject: Re: Jewish Settlers Demolish a Mosque in Gaza Organization: Manchester Computing Centre Lines: 41  In <C5IwxM.G0z@news.chalmers.se> d9bertil@dtek.chalmers.se (Bertil Jonell) writes:  >In article <kutluk.734797558@ccl.umist.ac.uk> kutluk@ccl.umist.ac.uk (Kutluk Ozguven) writes: >>Atheists are not >>mentioned in the Quran because from a Quranic point of view, and a >>minute's reasoning, one can see that there is no such thing.  >  But there are people who say that they are Atheists. If they aren't Atheists, >what are they?  When the Quran uses the word *din* it means way of individual thinking, behaving, communal order and protocols based on a set of beliefs. This is often interpreted as the much weaker term religion.   The atheists are not mentioned in the Quran along with Jews, Mushriqin, Christians, etc. because the  latter are all din. To have a din you need a set of beliefs, assumptions, etc, to forma a social code. For example the Marxist have those, such as History, Conflict, etc. That they do not put idols (sometimes they did) to represent those assuptions  does not mean they are any different from the other Mushriq, or roughly polytheists.   There cannot be social Atheism, because when there is a community, that community needs common ideas or standard beliefs to coordinate  the society. When they inscribe assumptions, say Nation, or "Progress is  the natural consequence of Human activity" or "parlamentarian democracy is doubtlessly the best way of government", however  they individually insist they do not have gods, from the Quranic point of view they do. Therefore by definition, atheism does not exist.  "We are a atheist society" in fact means "we reject the din other than ours".   Atheism can only exist when people reject all the idols/gods/dogmas/ suppositions/.. of the society that they part, and in that case that is a personal deviation of belief, and Quran tells about such deviations and disbelief. But as I mentioned, from a Quranic point of looking at things, there is no Atheism in the macro level.   I think it took more than one minute.  Kutluk
Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. From: thacker@rhea.arc.ab.ca Organization: Alberta Research Council Nntp-Posting-Host: rhea.arc.ab.ca Lines: 13  In article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au>, enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes:  <<<most of message deleted>>>  > What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that > it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night).  > Really, really depressed. >  >              Enzo  No need to be depressed about this one.  Lights aren't on during the day so there shouldn't be any daytime light pollution.
Subject: Re: BD's did themselves--you're all paranoid freaks From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac Lines: 45  In article <C5wMp5.5u9@boi.hp.com> jeffw@boi.hp.com (jeff waldeck) writes:  >Where did you hear about the thermal imaging? I haven't heard this yet  >(not that I doubt it, I'm just looking for sources...)   This was reported in Canadian papers Thursday, 22 April - I _think_ the source was UPI, but don't recall for certain.  >It seems to me that if they did have this kind of info, they could >broadcast it and it would resolve (or at least help to resolve) alot >of doubt in people's minds.   >Personally, the way the (FBI/BATF/Reno/etc) is claiming all sorts of >things without offering one shred of proof (other than their "good word") >is very suspicious to me. A picture is worth a thousand words...  I understand that at least two goverment investigations have been ordered, so we may learn more during their hearings.   >I sincerely hope you are right and it turns out (with indisputable >proof broadcast across our land) that the Government groups had nothing >to do with the fire. But until I see such proof, I think it is just as >likely that a tank did knock over a lantern as Koresh torching the place. >The only "evidence" I have seen is a tank crashing through the front >wall, withdrawing, and seconds later flames are seen (the first flames >on the video) erupting from this very same spot. Coincidence? Perhaps.  Tough call without more investigation, but if the thermal imaging story holds up, I think the government will be more credable... of course, paranoia fans won't believe their results anyway, will they?  >If such proof exists, the Government should publish it and put all this >speculation to rest.  Hear, hear! I'd also like to see the autopsy reports confirm news reports that multiple victims were found shot (in the head), and in positions inconsistent with fire victims. It is simply too early to draw conclusions either way about this nasty incident, but I tend to believe the government side.  --  The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher       (604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT    Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island   with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: "Cruel" (was Re: <Political Atheists?) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu  livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:  >>This whole thread started because of a discussion about whether >>or not the death penalty constituted cruel punishment, which is forbidden >>by the US Constitution. >Yes, but they didn't say what they meant by "cruel", which is why >a) you have the Supreme Court, and b) it makes no sense to refer >to the Constitution, which is quite silent on the meaning of the >word "cruel".  They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution.  They picked words whose meanings implied the intent.  We have already looked in the dictionary to define the word.  Isn't this sufficient?  >>Oh, but we were discussing the death penalty (and that discussion >>resulted from the one about murder which resulted from an intial >>discussion about objective morality--so this is already three times >>removed from the morality discussion). >Actually, we were discussing the mening of the word "cruel" and >the US Constitution says nothing about that.  But we were discussing it in relation to the death penalty.  And, the Constitution need not define each of the words within.  Anyone who doesn't know what cruel is can look in the dictionary (and we did).  keith
From: bferrell@cicada.occ.uc.edu (Brett Ferrell) Subject: Re: re: Challenge to Microsoft supporters. Nntp-Posting-Host: cicada.occ.uc.edu Organization: University of Cincinnati Lines: 11  In article <C716rA.IGC@feenix.metronet.com> jack@feenix.metronet.com (Jack Hudler) writes: >Still after the impact of all the ITO's at IBM, all that's left of its >employee base are the deadbeats! I suspect we'll see 2.1 about 1st quarter >94. Boy are you going to look silly in a couple of weeks.   --  Brett D. Sherron-Ferrell		     	     email@bferrell@uceng.uc.edu U. of Cincy					     "Catch the Cats............ College of Engineering				      ...............If you can"
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From: zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead-- Keywords: bad drivers Organization: Amoco Distribution: usa Lines: 53  hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes:  >> >So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own good ,  >>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it. >>  !!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!! >> >As a rule of philosophy, I don't feel particularly sorry when somebody gets  >> >offed by his own stupidity, but It does worry me when some idiot is in a  >> >position to cash in my chips, too. >> >                                                           H.H. Mayo >>  >> zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) writes: >> Well, Aren't we just Mr. Altruism himself!!   Just what the world needs, >> another frustrated self appointed traffic cop.  hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) writes: >Well, if you want to stick the nose of your car up the ass of a 50 foot semi,  >I suppose it's your neck, however, I'm not going to let you kill me in the  >bargain.  If you get frustrated by somebody delaying your inevitable death  >due to less that wise driving practices, then TOUGH!!!  Well, I never wrote that I would act as you described.  I stated that I  would not block a would-be passer.  I would not block a would-be passer "for their own good" or for any reason other than I was prevented from  doing so due to the traffic circumstance.  I fail to see how deterring a passer under these circumstance would IN ANY WAY decrease YOUR chances of being involved in an accident, fatal or otherwise.  In fact, I could imagine how blocking a would-be passer would actually INCREASE your  chances of being "offed" or involved in an accident, especially if  this "passer" is riding your bumper.  Intentionally blocking a person riding your bumper is certainly NOT a "wise driving practice", it  only causes the jam to become more congested.    I don't mess with trucks and I actually watch the road ahead AND the  road behind!   If I perceive that I am rapidly closing on a "pack"  of vehicles, I try to avoid getting caught up in situation such as you  decribe.  Usually either traffic is just building and I have to deal  with this fact of life, or I wait to a slow passer to complete their  pass and make way for the pack to clear.  If someone decides then to  pull up on my bumper, I signal my intention to move to the right, and  do so at the first opportunity (& hope they will open the jam).  I  feel this is not only courteous driving, but ALOT safer than the  actions you advocate!!!  There are actually many courteous drivers  on the road who do not intentionally impede others.    If someone in front of me seems to be oblivious to the fact that they  are blocking traffic I use my blinker or flash my lights, or, if all  else fails, will briefly speed up /slow down so they MIGHT get the  message that I am a faster vehicle trying to pass.  I feel it is never  safe to ride anyone's bumper.  IF someone is intentionally blocking  traffic, because they feel that it is civil duty or philosophic duty  or for some unfathomable reason, I feel they deserve, at the very least, derision.       (Sorry this is soooooooo long.)
From: mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.databases.ms-access Article-I.D.: rodan.1qkma9INNmbn Organization: cs.uiowa.edu Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net  This is the 2nd Reguest for Discussion ( RFD ) for the creation of  comp.databases.ms-access   The discussion period started on April 6 and it will last until April 28, ( 22 days ).  This is an official RFD for the creation of a new newsgroup for the general discussion of the Microsoft Access RDMS.  NAME: COMP.DATABASES.MS-ACCESS  MODERATION: UNMODERATED. At this time, no need for a moderator has been assertained. Future evaluation will determine if one is needed.  PURPOSE:  Access is a new RDBMS for the Windows Operating System. It includes WYSIWYG design tools for easy creation of tables, reports, forms and queries and a database programming language called Access Basic. THe purpose of the group will be to provide help to people who use Access's  WYSIWYG design tools to create simple databases as well as to people who use  Access Basic to create complex databases.  RATIONALE: Eventhough Access is a new RDBMS, it is very popular because of its Graphical Development enviroment and its initial low price. Been a version 1.0 product means that all Access users are Novices. For that reason a newsgroup is needed where Access users can discuss  their experiences with the product and answer each other's questions. --  Napoleon mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu
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From: mart@csri.toronto.edu (Mart Molle) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Lines: 36  parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:  >>>My TOP 10 list of dumbest automotive concepts ever >>> >>>9. Back-up lights on Corvette - they're on the sides of the car! >>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>Sure would be interested to know what year(s) this was! >>I don't seem to recall ANY car with back-up lights on the sides, much >>less any Corvette.  I suppose I could be mis-interpreting what you are >>trying to say here.....  >Just a quick comment. Backup lights mounted on the side >would actually be *extremely* useful for people backing out of >parking stalls...  While I can't think of any Corvettes with side mounted backup lights, I know that Saab started using them about 15 years ago.  My 1975 Saab 99 didn't have them, but a friend's 1978 Saab 99 certainly did.  In addition to the confentional tail-light mounted backup lights, they had another set integrated into the front turn signal assembly.  For those of you who don't remember, Saabs of that vintage had an enormous multicoloured plastic growth, about the size of a _National Geographic_ magazine, sticking out of the front fender, which incorporated amber "parking lights", amber side marker lights/reflectors, white "cornering lamps" (like American luxury cars) aimed towards the side of the road when you have your turn indicators on, and white "backup lights" aimed towards the back of the car when you have selected reverse gear.  The glossy brochure showed how these front mounted backup lights were useful for illuminating hazards (pot holes, kid's toys, etc) that would be run over by the front of the car if you had the wheels turned while backing up.  Mart L. Molle Computer Systems Research Institute University of Toronto Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4 (416)978-4928
From: angcl@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Claude Angers) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? X-Advert: Mail/News feeds available -- email postmaster for details. Organization: Radio Free Nyongwa -- public usenet in Montreal: (514) 284-6693 Lines: 32  In article <C5rx8B.Kzp@ecf.toronto.edu> leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) writes: >In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes: >>In article <C5o1yq.M34@csie.nctu.edu.tw> ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: >>> >>>Dear friend, >>>  The RISC means "reduced instruction set computer". The RISC usually has  >>>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase  >>>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about >>>computer architecture for more information about RISC. >> >>hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember >>reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. >>The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not >>as orthogonal is CISC. >> >>--  > >Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer.  That's why everyone >is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC.  Personally, I think CISC will win out. >Just take a look at the Pentium!  (Not that I like Intel architectures either, >but that's another story...) > >bye! >  Do you mean that the Pentium is better than a Risc?  or that it will outsell them all?  If the first, you have to remember that intel CISC (like the pentium) are a always a generation away from the best riscs... also Riscs cpu are more costly because they are not sold in the same quantities (not even on the same order)...  but I remember reading about 3 years (maybe 2) about a T800(?) from hypercube that did a 100 mips, was superscallar AND reordered its instruction itself so
From: acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (Turin Turambar, ME Department of Utter Misery) Subject: Re: Faith and Dogma Organization: Macalester College Lines: 123  In article <93Apr20.035421edt.47719@neat.cs.toronto.edu>, tgk@cs.toronto.edu (Todd Kelley) writes: > In light of what happened in Waco, I need to get something of my > chest.  Sadly understandable...  >  > Faith and dogma are dangerous.    Yes.  >  > Religion inherently encourages the implementation of faith and dogma, and > for that reason, I scorn religion. >  To be fair, you should really qualify this as semitic-western religions, but you basically go ahead and do this later on anyway.  > I have expressed this notion in the past.  Some Christians debated > with me whether Christianity leaves any room for reasoning.  I claimed > rationality is quelled out of Christianity by faith and dogma.  Again, this should really be evaluated at a personal level.  For example, there was only one Jesus (presumably), and he probably didn't say all that many things, and yet (seemingly) billions and billions of Christian sects have arisen.  Perhaps there is one that is totally dedicated to rationalism and believes in Christ as in pantheism.  It would seem to go against the Bible, but it is amazing what people come up with under the guise of "personal interpretation".  > A philosopher cannot be a Christian because a philosopher can change his mind, > whereas a Christian cannot, due to the nature of faith and dogma present > in any religion.  This is a good point.  We have here the quintessential Christian: he sets up a system of values/beliefs for himself, which work very well, and every event/experience is understandable and deablable within the framework of this system.  However, we also have an individual who has the inability (at least not without some difficulty) to change, which is important, because the problem with such a system is the same as with any system: one cannot be open minded to the point of "testing hypotheses" against the basic premise of the system without destroying whatever faith is invested therein, unless of course, all the tests fail.  In other words, the *fairer* way would be to test and evaluate moralities without the bias/responsibility of losing/retaining a system.  >  > I claimed that a ``Christian philosopher'' is not a Christian, > but is a person whose beliefs at the moment correspond with those > of Christianity. Consider that a person visiting or guarding a prison > is not a prisoner, unless you define a prisoner simply to be someone > in a prison. > Can we define a prisoner to be someone who at the moment is in a prison? > Can we define a Christian to be someone who at the moment has Christian > beliefs?  No, because if a person is free to go, he is not a prisoner. > Similarly, if a person is not constrained by faith and dogma, he is not > a Christian.  Interesting, but again, when it seems to basically boil down to individual nuances (although not always, I will admit, and probably it is the mass-oriented divisions which are the most appalling), it becomes irrelevant, unfortunately.  >  > I admit it's a word game. > I'm going by the dictionary definition of religion: >    ``religion n. 1. concern over what exists beyond the visible world, >      differentiated from philosophy in that it operates through faith >      or intuition rather than reason, ...'' >                                    --Webster's >  > Now let's go beyond the word game.  I don't claim that religion > causes genocide.  I think that if all humans were atheist, there > would still be genocide.  There will always be humans who don't think. > There will always be humans who don't ask themselves what is > the REAL difference between themselves and people with different > colored skin, or a different language, or different beliefs. >   Granted  > Religion is like the gun that doesn't kill anybody.  Religion encourages > faith and dogma and although it doesn't directly condemn people, > it encourages the use of ``just because'' thinking.  It is > ``just because'' thinking that kills people. >   In which case the people become the bullets, and the religion, as the gun, merely offers them a way to more adequately do some harm with themselves, if I may be so bold as to extend your similie?  > Sure, religion has many good qualities.  It encourages benevolence > and philanthropy.  OK, so take out only the bad things: like faith, > dogma, and tradition.  Put in the good things, like careful reasoning, > and science.  The result is secular humanism.  Wouldn't it > be nice if everyone were a secular humanist?   To please the > supernaturalists, you might even leave God in there, but the secular > emphasis would cause the supernaturalists to start thinking, and > they too would realize that a belief in a god really doesn't put > anyone further ahead in understanding the universe (OK, I'm just > poking fun at the supernaturalists :-).  Also understandable... ;)  >  > Of course, not all humans are capable of thought, and we'd still > have genocide and maybe even some mass suicide...but not as much. > I'm willing to bet on that. >  > Todd > --  > Todd Kelley                       tgk@cs.toronto.edu > Department of Computer Science > University of Toronto --   best regards,   ******************************************************************************** * Adam John Cooper		"Verily, often have I laughed at the weaklings * * (612) 696-7521		   who thought themselves good simply because  * * acooper@macalstr.edu				they had no claws."	       * ********************************************************************************
From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: re:  Don Cherry's Coach's Corner Summary - April 3, 1993 Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Distribution: na Lines: 53   allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes:  Before I begin lambasting Don Cherry, let me first say that I've been sort of a Cherry fan for a while...admittedly stuff he says has to be taken lightly, but he's more-or-less harmless.  On Saturday, however, he crossed the lines of good taste:  >According to Don, the entire article wasn't perfect, and there >were some 'shots' by Frank Musil and Alpo Suhonen.  >Don noted that Musil wasn't much of a player (didn't >score many goals last year). He also made fun of their names... >One guy has a name like dog food, the other like a laxitive >(meta-Musil).  This is the best he can do?!!  Gee Don, tremendous amounts of professionalism here.  The CBC looks just as bad as he looks foolish letting him get away with this nonsense...making fun of names??  It's bad enough that he makes asinine blanket statements about European players, but he's now resorted to making fun of their names too?  He sounded like an idiot, much like he did last week when he said that Teemu would never make it to his 'Rock 'em, Sock 'em' video until he dropped the gloves...  >On the subject of realignment, Don said that he liked the >new division names.  Well, what he _said_ was that even though he's been around the league for quite some time, he still doesn't know who's where w.r.t. conference and division names.  HELLO??!! McFly??  The names have been around for a couple of decades or so....he also invited the audience to "Name the teams in the Wales...quick, quick!" Followed by "Ah, you don't know, I don't know...."    Sorry Don.  Wrong on this one.  >Ron (to Don): "I don't know wy I like you on your show >for 30 minutes... I can hardly stand you on this show for 5."  This was absolutely hilarious.  Don's argument about the basketball and baseball brawls was fairly good...unfortunately he neglected to mention the fines that were levelled in the NBA case.  Serious money...oh well, he's never been one for objectivity, has he?  Don's question to Gretzky:  >Wouldn't it be better >for you to change your friends so that they like the game, than for >us to change the game for your friends?"  Now this I liked.  
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: temperature of the dark sky Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 20  In article <1993Apr28.002214.16544@Princeton.EDU> richmond@spiff.Princeton.EDU (Stupendous Man) writes: >   Henry, if I read you correctly, you may be asking "If I put a blackbody >in interstellar space ('disregarding the Sun and nearby large warm objects'), >what termperature will it reach in thermal equilibrium with the ambient >radiation field?"  Basically the right question, although I was interested in cases closer to home where the Sun is behind either a natural object or effective shielding.  >   If that's the case, let me point out that interstellar dust and  >molecules provide many instances of things that are, well, not-too-far >from being blackbodies... >   Inside the disk of the galaxy, the temperature varies quite a bit >from place to place...  Good point (and thanks for the references). --  SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision   | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology between SVR3 and SunOS.    - Dick Dunn  |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: holland@geop.ubc.ca (Stephen Holland) Subject: Re: My Predictions of a classic playoff year! Organization: Geophysics & Astronomy, U.B.C. Vancouver, Canada Lines: 20 Distribution: world Reply-To: holland@geop.ubc.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: crisium.astro.ubc.ca  In article 12934@ac.dal.ca, 06paul@ac.dal.ca () writes: > >	STANLEY CUP FINALS >Toronto Maple Leafs    vs    Montreal Canadiens     >	(The Classic Stanley Cup Final matchup!!) <---also a dream come true! >	Montreal wins the Stanley cup in the 7th game 1 - 0 in double overtime.  You know... after I finished laughing I thought:  This would be a great final.  Two Canadian teams with lots of tradition and all that Don Cherry nonsense behind them and a nail-biter finish.  Of course, I would prefer a Vancouver--Montreal final with Vancouver scoring the final goal....  Pity neither will happen.  steve holland   
From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18 Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 72 Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se  dstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes: >  What's going on?  The Russians and the Czechs are unable to beat easy >opponents, and the Swedes beat Austria only 1:0?!? >  It's the "opening-game effect" maybe. Pros arrive late, nervousness for  rookie WC players, and problems to get the lines clicking may make things  hard to get it going against these "worse" nations.  I'd guess that the better team you face in the opening game, the better  it is, since the chances of an upset are greater then.   Some other reasons why the "worse" teams are so tough to beat was presented  by Hans "Virus" Lindberg (former coach in Switzerland).   1) The "worse" teams (referring to France, Switzerland, Austria, Italy etc)     have now usually world class goalies.   2) Their defensive play have become much more disciplined, they take much     less unnecessary penalties.   3) They use four lines which makes it harder to make them "run out of gas."   4) The ice quality in the German WC rinks is poor.  >  The only convincing winner was... Germany.  Wierd. >  Another weird thing was that the Czechs played entertaining hockey..  err.. just kidding, David.  >p.s. Alex, I would like to see the Czech roster, including, if possible, >the clubs from which the players come.  How many are "Finnish", "German",  >or "Swiss"? >  Alex? That's a new name for me ;)   OK, I forgot the Czech roster at home yesterday, but now I have it.  I don't know the teams for all players, so I would appreciate if  you guys could fill in the blanks for me (especially I think some  of these players play in Finland).   The Czech Republic  ------------------   Goaltenders:	 1. Petr Briza		(Finland somewhere, right?) 		 2. Roman Turek		Motor C. Budejovice   Defense:	 3. Leo Gudas		? 		 4. Milos Holan		TJ Vitkovice 		 5. Drahomir Kadlec	? 		 6. Bedrich Scerban	Brynas, Sweden 		 7. Antonin Stavjana	HV 71, Sweden 		 8. Miroslav Horava	MoDo, Sweden 		 9. Ales Flasar		TJ Vitkovice 	  Forwards:	10. Petr Rosol		? 		12. Kamil Kastak	HV 71, Sweden 		13. Richard Zemlicka	? 		14. Jiri Kucera		? 		16. Jan Caloun		HC Litvinov 		18. Petr Hrbek		? 		19. Tomas Kapusta	? 		20. Otakar Janecky	(Finland?) 		21. Roman Horak		Motor C. Budejovice 		22. Martin Hostak	MoDo, Sweden 		24. Radek Toupal	? 		26. Jiri Dolezal	?    Staffan --  ((\\  //| Staffan Axelsson               \\  //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se     \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey  
Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.58.96.14 From: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) Distribution: world Organization: K.U.Leuven - Applied Economic Sciences Department Subject: Re: head-to-head win and os/2 Lines: 31  In article <1T8FL2$EHS@BALSAM.UNCA.EDU>, kepley@photon.phys.unca.edu writes: |> In article <1993May16.143722.4555@samba.oit.unc.edu> dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) writes: |> >question. The next question is even if I did want to run OS/2 |> >and I had this big monster machine to run it on, is there a diverse |> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |> |> I think you're deliberatly overstating the requirements for OS/2. |> Considering that OS/2 is a multi-threaded true multitasking OS and |> takes the place of DOS and Windows and more, I actually think the |> requirements for OS/2 are very reasoable.  I also think that anyone |> using Windows 3.1 without 8 megs of RAM, a 386-40, and 200 megs of |> hard drive space, is beating their head against a wall.  Those are |> also legitimate requirements for OS/2.  In fact, the requirements |> for Windows 3.1 and OS/2 are about equal.                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^ Exquise me!? Since when does mankind consider twice to be equal??  |> |> -- |> |          "The natural progress of things is for government             | |> |              to gain ground and for liberty to yield"                  | |> |                           Thomas Jefferson                             | |> | Brad Kepley   kepley@photon.phys.unca.edu    704-252-8330/Voice-Days   |  Wim Van Holder Katholieke Universiteit Leuven          Tel: ++32 (0)16/28.57.16 Departement T.E.W.                      FAX: ++32 (0)16/28.57.99 Dekenstraat 2 B-3000 Leuven                           E-mail: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be BELGIUM                                         fdbaq03@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be 
From: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce G. Bostwick) Subject: Re: Membrane keypad with custom legend. Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 21 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.cc.utexas.edu  In article <1993Apr21.125530.18387@texhrc.uucp> pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes: >I had a catalog with membrane keypads, but I dunno what >happened to it, and it was so long ago that I forget the >name of the company.  Anyway, you could make your own >legend and slip it behind the bezel.  Really nice and  >reasonably priced.  Can anyone tell me where to get some >more of these critters?  For some reason the name Grayhill springs to mind -- saw something like that in a Grayhill catalog, along with options for custom printed overlays and a neat little electroluuminescent backing that would make the whole shebang glow a nice shade of green ..  mighty handy if you're trying to key a door combination in the dark and don't want to TURN ON THE &%#$!! LIGHT ..  --  <BGB> lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu        /   The only reason the world hasn't (really Bruce Bostwick)        /   dissolved into total chaos is that from the great state of TEXAS /   Murphy's Law also applies to Murphy.
From: oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au (John Bongiovanni) Subject: SUMMARY: Borland/Microsoft Database C Libraries Organization: Orbital Engine Company Lines: 384  Well, I'm amazed at how successful this exercise was. I received 20 responses and 4 requests for summary. Thanks to everyone who made it possible.  On my own I was able to find out about Codebase, Accsys, and Q+E. Codebase and Accsys are C libraries without SQL. Q+E is a Windows application that can be communicated through Windows DDE calls, where you send a SQL string and receive the results.  Most people wrote to tell me about the Paradox Engine from Borland. Other  products mentioned were: Microsoft's ODBC, Accsys, Quadbase, Codebase, RBASE, and Q+E. Only ODBC, Quadbase, RBASE, and Q+E have SQL.  For myself, I decided on Codebase, mostly because it has an ANSI C portability version that runs under DOS, UNIX, etc, and includes the source code, and portability is important in my application. It works with DBASE, FoxPro, or Clipper files.  However, I feel that Microsoft's ODBC looks very promising. It's mostly a formalisation of building and submitting SQL queries, and formatting query results. As the responses say, it's available via ftp, except it's effectively unusuable without two manuals: the "ODBC Programmer's Reference" and the "ODBC SDK Guide". Moreover, ODBC doesn't actually interpret SQL and liase with databases, that's  up to drivers that should be provided by database manufacturers. Also, it's Windows only (it's actually an extension to the Windows SDK).  Nevertheless, it's a start at a SQL interface standard, and should make life interesting in the future.  Here's my original post, followed by the responses, separated by  a line of asterisks (*).  > Does anyone know if Borland or Microsoft have libraries for accessing > their respective databases (Paradox, FoxPro) from within C programs? > I'd really like to be able to build a SQL query string and pass it > to a function which returns the query results in some format. Failing > that, any other access would still be better than nothing. >  > I'd also like to hear of third party libraries for doing the same thing. >  > If other people are interested, I'll prepare a summary of what I'm > told and post it. >  > Thanks to all.  ****************************************************************************  Borland has a product called Paradox Engine that does just what you want.  The current version is 3.0, which is fully compatible with (ack) Paradox 4.0.  (Why the versions are different, I don't know. PD Engine 2.0 was compatible with Pdox 3.0 and 3.5...).  It consists of a rather broad library of functions for accesing database files from both Pascal (I think turbo Pascal 5.5 and up) and C (I think either Microsoft or Borland).  Now.. reading the box... it's "Borland Paradox Engine & Database Frameworks".  Works with any Borland C/C++, Mocrosoft C 6.01 or later, Turbo C++ for Windows, Turbo Pascal 6.0 or later, TP for Windows 1.0 or later.  For Framework applications, BC++ 3.0 or later or MS C/C++ 7.0. It does have support for object useage...  I haven't had a real chance to really use it myself... but it looks fairly complete... I'm planning to use it this summer. -Rick --  +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |  Rick Osterberg   osterber@husc.harvard.edu  617-493-7784  617-493-3892  | |     2032 Harvard Yard Mail Center   Cambridge, MA   02138-7510   USA     | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+  ****************************************************************************  Borland has a product which is called Paradox Engine.  I do not know about MS.  The paradox engine I know very well, and it definitiely not a replacement for SQL, but it will enable you to save and restore records, has locking, et al. Supposedly the Paradox for Windows was impemented on top of it.   ---------------------------------------------------------  Charles Parker			  Phone.(800) 669 9165 Technical Support			(617) 498 3321 CenterLine Software, Inc.	    Fax.(617) 868 6655  cparker@centerline.com                                        cyberspace momma, don't let yer children grow up to be ^ cowboys ... ---------------------------------------------------------   ****************************************************************************  I know Borland has a library of routines for accessing PARADOX from within a C program. They recently came out with version 3.0. This works with both Borland and Microsoft's C compiler.  				shailesh bhobe 				(708) 979-7101 				att!psp!smb2   ****************************************************************************    MS has put their ODBC SDK into the public domain; it's  _big_ (I believe 1.8 MB), but worth downloading over a  fast link. Look at ftp.uu.net in vendor/microsoft/odbc-sdk.   Also some companies are starting to provide SQL engines; I  just got one for RBASE, not exactly cheap at $450, but it  allows programs in C or VBASIC (under DOS or Windows) to talk  to data bases using SQL functions in your code.   hth   Walter Knopf  Fermilab   knopf@fnal.fnal.gov   ****************************************************************************     Check out the ODBC toolikt from Microsoft.  It is available on ftp.uu.net:vendor/microsoft/odbc-sdk.  This is the way that we've chosen to access databases from all of our apps. mj --  +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | PPPPP  SSSSSIIIIII   Specialists in MS-Windows and Windows-NT Development  | | PP  PPSS      II     Call for information about our OOA/OOD tool:  OOAiD.  | | PPPPP  SSSS   II     Michaeljon Miller                   mikem@apertus.com | | PP        SS  II     Proficient Solutions, Inc.               612-860-2181 | | PP    SSSSS IIIIII   2877 Holmes Ave So. #5          Minneapolis, MN 55408 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+   ****************************************************************************  Borland sells the "Paradox Engine" which is a C language interface to Paradox, dBase, Btrieve, ans ASCI files.  They also sell "Database Frameworks" which includes the engine plus a collection (with source) of C++ classes for using the engine.  --  Earl Roethke eroethke@ems.cdc.com   ****************************************************************************  I actualy have Paradox Engine.  It is a library of functions (large model) for accessing the Paradox's databases.  It seems to be working fine, but I never did try it thouroughly.  It costs ~200$.  Hope it will help you...   From: David Lefebvre <david@hp817.speedware.com>  ****************************************************************************  Borland provides a database lib called Paradox Engine which can access and use the database files aswell as many other things.  Gary.  --  ``````````` bell@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au ````````````````````````````````````` | Gary Bell                                                                   | | Department of Robotics and Digital Technology                               | |Faculty of Computing, Caulfield Campus, Monash University, Australia         |  ****************************************************************************  Paradox Engine is the library  for Paradox .   Artur Babecki artur@ii.uj.edu.pl  ****************************************************************************  Borland sells the Paradox Engine -- which has all the Paradox calls in it. Its hardly SQL though.  You can do searches on key fields and on  indivual fields, but no comparison operators like <, >=....  so its pretty painful (in my opinion) do do anything besides simple retrieval and inserts/updates.  I'm currently using it (I have an eval copy..) and I've linked it in to some entry screens I've written.  The Engine library adds about 100K to the size of the program, but you can load it as an overlay using Borland's VROOM manager.  Now Borland claims that later versions of the engine will have SQL support but they don't really expect it till late in the year... or even next year They are trying to get thrid parties to help out..  If you have any other questions -- let me know...  Mike Kamlet mike@vpnet.chi.il.us   ****************************************************************************  Yes, borland sells their Paradox Engine separately.  It has C, C++, and Pascal interfaces, although the underlying interface is in 'C'. Well at least for version 2.0 of the Engine which I have (costed $99 at Egghead). They now have version 3.0 of the engine, and a separate C++ class package for it.   --  Michael D. Kersenbrock ADC Kentrox - Portland, Oregon michaelk@kentrox.com uunet!kentrox!michaelk   ****************************************************************************  I've used AccSys for Paradox (new version is almost ready for Paradox 4.0) to access Paradox files from C.  Its pretty good.  Not SQL though.  Have heard of Borland Paradox Engine or some such which is supposed to do likewise, but not sure of what it is exactly.  Hope this helps, good luck! chris  From: fernand@slinky.cs.nyu.edu (Christopher Fernandes)  ****************************************************************************  Borland sells their "Paradox Engine (3.0)".  It's a library of functions for accessing paradox DB files.  It comes with libraries for: MS C 7.0 BCC 3.1 Turbo Pascal (v??) and I believe it comes with Turbo Pascal/Win libraries as well. The C libraries come in both DOS and Windows flavors (the win stuff  being dll's).    When I got it, it also came with Crystal Reports which is a graphical report generator.  It allows you to create a generic form and use it within a compiled program using Pdox Engine.  I don't know if they still offer it or what the current price is, I paid  something like $50-$60 for an upgrade from the earlier version though...  Hope this helps...  -David Taylor --- |      ->> The Commander <<--	   | It is easier to change the 	| |Internet: gt2847c@prism.gatech.edu| specification to fit the program	| |    Also: dtaylor@cfd.gatech.edu  | than vice-versa.			| |     And: root@cfd.gatech.edu	   | -Author Unknown (but very wise :-) |   ****************************************************************************   If you want to do SQL from within your programs, check out QuadBase. I don't have their address oops -- yes I do!    : QuadBase Systems, Inc. 790 Lucerne Dr #51 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 (USA)  phone: 408-738-6989 (voice)  408-738-6980 (fax)  Ask for the SQL/Win demo disk.  It looked good to me (I have a background in embedded SQL in Ingres -- this looked real similar). It's a little expensive, but if you order the demo and then just wait they will probably send you a special offer that'll probably run about $500 US. Good luck!  Best,                              Tom DeLosh  From: delosh@emunix.emich.edu (Tom Delosh)   ****************************************************************************  Borland has the Paradox Engine library.  It has libraries for both C and Pascal to access Paradox files under DOS/Windows.   But for Paradox, I believe you'd have buy have the SQL Link  since Pdox itself isn't SQL compliant.  I've used the engine  for over a year now and have been pretty satisfied with it.   Under DOS, it's a real pig.  It tacks on about 120K to the size of  your programs.  tim ma associate programmer university of utah email:  tim@src.cppa.utah.edu  ****************************************************************************  I don't know about Microsoft, but Borland sells the Paradox Engine for C/C++ & Pascal (in one package).  And if you want dBase compatible files there is a  library called CodeBase from Sequiter software that works with C/C++.  From: davidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com (David J. Ray)   ****************************************************************************   We're using Q+E database libraries to do what you describe. It's a set of DLL's accessed through a common API to talk to most of the major database formats. We're using it to build an application that queries several databases using SQL queries. _All_ access using Q+E is done using SQL. The package is available through Microway in Melbourne. I believe it is produced by Pioneer Systems in the US. We have no association with Microway or Pioneer Systems other than being satisfied customers.  Feel free to mail me for further information.  Chris  (Programming for NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service) --  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Hutchinson                       Box U302 Research Programmer                    University of New England chris@sulaw.law.su.OZ.AU               Armidale NSW 2351 (067) 727 014   ****************************************************************************  Paradox Engine 3.0 provides a complete set of C libraries for  accessing Paradox tables. However, it seems that it supports  only Borland/Turbo C and MicroSoft C. When I tried to compile  the engine's sample applications with the Waterloo WATCOM C/C++ (32-bit) compiler, it complains that the library file LLIBCE.LIB  is missing even though I am quite certain that the file is NOT part of WATCOM C or the engine. Anybody have any success with  other C compilers?  Ron.K.Ng@hydro.on.ca --------------------   ****************************************************************************  I'm currently developing an app. with Borland's "Paradox Engine for C" (it also comes in Pascal), which has recently gone to version 3.0 (I.e., PX Engine 3.0 is compatible with Paradox 4.0, and downward compat. w/3.5).  There are indeed C libs for Fox access, but I can't think of the names offhand - I'm sure someone has already written you in that regard - (I think I just saw an add for a Fox lib in the "C Users Journal", which is a good place to look for this type of package in general, by the way). I've been paying my dues to learn a lot of the quirks of PX Eng. over the past year - wouldn't recommend it for a complex multiuser app.--but I'm staying with it for now--it's like a bad marriage: I've got too much time invested in learning and work-arounds!  But if your interest is limited to a simple single-user interface (you want to build your own SQL engine, I take it), PX Engine will do the job easily - it doesn't sound like you'll be bumping into any of the gotchas.  If you do, write me; I may be able to point you in the right direction.  From: raymond@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us (raymond)  ****************************************************************************  Borland has a "Paradox Engine and Database Framework 3.0" which gives you a "C" (and assembler?) API to Paradox databases.  This is part of "BOCA" -- Borland's Object Component Architecture.  They have technical briefs on BOCA, PdoxEng, and other products of theirs.  From: jdm@jumbo.Read.TASC.COM (James D. McNamara) -------------------  James D. McNamara | TASC  -------------------- 55 Walkers Brook Drive | Reading, MA 01867-3238 | 617-942-2000x2948  ****************************************************************************  --  John Bongiovanni, Systems Analyst, Orbital Engine Company, Perth, Australia oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au, bongo@alumni.caltech.edu Opinions expressed are my own and not those of my organisation.
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From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: more on 2 Peter 1:20 Lines: 22  I wrote that I thought that 2 Peter 1:20 meant, "no prophecy of Scripture (or, as one reader suggests, no written prophecy) is merely the private opinion of the writer."  Tony Zamora replies (Sat 8 May 1993) that this in turn implies that it is not subject to the private interpretation of the reader either. I am not sure that I understand this.      In one sense, no statement by another is subject to my private interpretation. If reliable historians tell me that the Athenians lost the Pelopennesian War, I cannot simply interpret this away because I wanted the Athenians to win. Facts are facts and do not go away because I want them to be otherwise.      In another sense, every statement is subject to private interpretation, in that I have to depend on my brains and expereience to decide what it means, and whether it is sufficiently well attested to merit my assent. Even if the statement occurs in an inspired writing, I still have to decide, using my own best judgement, whether it is in fact inspired. This is not arrogance -- it is just an inescapable fact.   Yours,  James Kiefer
From: kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch) Subject: Glutamate Organization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net  In article <lso15qINNkpr@news.bbn.com> sher@bbn.com (Lawrence D. Sher) writes: > From the N.E.J.Med.  editorial:  "The dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate > is not only an essential amino acid ...  Glutamate is not an essential amino acid.  People can survive quite well without ever eating any. --  Keith Lynch, kfl@access.digex.com  f p=2,3:2 s q=1 x "f f=3:2 q:f*f>p!'q  s q=p#f" w:q p,?$x\8+1*8
From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? Organization: George Washington University Distribution: usa Lines: 27  > > >>BEGIN ----------------------- CUT HERE --------------- >>begin 666 ntreal.bmp >>M0DTV5P<      #8$   H    ( ,  %@"   !  @                      >>M            $    ! @@P![( @ "!A> #!_F   #CD ,56# #D.  !=>_D  >>M4PA: &4H@P"L,1  $U); &N+L0 ($!@ +4WA !,J.0 B/%H 9TJ3 $KKZP 0 >>M,;, TD4I /ZGB0!)#UH (0A.  "6E@ I !@ 4B!I " !  !BBZX #!E1 )BV > >Deleted a lot of stuff!!!!!!! >How do you convert this to a bit map???  You're supposed to delete everything above the "cut here" mark, and below the lower cut here mark, and uudecode it.  but  *I was not able to: unexpected end of file encountered at the last line.  could you please re-post it, or tell be what I'm doing wrong?  thanks,i.a., Mickey   --  pe-|| ||  MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu  ace|| ||                                   ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray |||| \/|  *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??* \\\\   |  "well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong.."(gd)
From: Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (Bjorn B. Larsen) Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES Reply-To: bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no Organization: delab Lines: 63  In article <May.6.00.34.49.1993.15418@geneva.rutgers.edu> marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes:  > [ citing article <May.2.09.50.21.1993.11782@geneva.rutgers.edu> > mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) }  > I have a simple test. I take several people who can speak > only one language (e.g. chinese, russian, german, english). > Then I let the "gifted one" start "speaking in toungues". > The audience should understand the "gifted one" clearly > in their native language. However, the "gifted one" can > only hear himself speaking in his own language. > Works everytime. 8-)  This thread si starting to get really silly. Such nonsense do not belong in s.r.c and it really hurts me to read some of the posts on this issue.  We chose to believe whetever we want, but we are not allowed to define our own Christianity. we see in parts. If you see something that I do not see, or vice versa, it does not give me the right to play jokes on your belief!  There is no wonder that your "miracle" does not work. You designet it yourself, and even if you were able to collect a group of people like the one you describe, I see no reason why your "miracle" should really happen. God is the one who does miracles, not humans!  After all we are all on the same way, or at least, we are all headed for the same goal, following different paths. Remember that we are going to spend eternity together. If I can not stand your view here on earth, how can I possibly stand spending eternity together with you?  Tongues is a question of belief. Not wether you believe in Jesus, but if you believe that He is able to give you this gift. Just as any other of the gifts mentioned in the Bible. But there is no evidence in the Bible that people who do not accept these gifts are in any way better than others.  > Perhaps I would believe the "gifted ones" more if they were > glorifying God rather than themselves. Then perhaps we'd > witness a real miracle.  Maybe some of the people who have received spiritual gifts are more interested in glorifying themselves than glorifying God, I don't know. But if this is the case, it still does not suggest that the gifts are faked.  In the Bible you will find that Jesus did not always do miracles. He said that "I do nothing, except what my father tells me." Perhaps it woulkd be for the best of all if we where all able to live by that example!  In Him, Bjorn -- ______________________________________________________________________                s-mail:                 e-mail: |   |   |      Bjorn B. Larsen         bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no |__ |__ |      SINTEF DELAB |  \|  \|      N-7034 TRONDHEIM        tel: +47-7-592682 / 592600 |__/|__/|_     NORWAY                  fax: +47-7-591039 / 594302 ______________________________________________________________________
From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: space food sticks Article-I.D.: aio.1993Apr6.134526.14966 Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]  John Elson (jelson@rcnext.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: : Has anyone ever heard of a food product called "Space Food Sticks?"   I remember those awful things.  They were dry and crumbly, and I recall asking my third-grade teacher, Miss G'Francisco, how they kept the crumbs from floating around in zero-G.  She had no clue. I have not seen anything like them in today's space program.  Some Apollo technology is best forgotten.  -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office       kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov  (713) 483-4368                    "HERE MEN FROM THE PLANET EARTH                     FIRST SET FOOT UPON THE MOON                            JULY 1969, A.D.                   WE CAME IN PEACE FOR ALL MANKIND."
From: KCSCHIE@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu Subject: FOR SALE: Hit Movies on VHS Organization: Illinois State University Lines: 14  I have the following prerecorded VHS tapes for sale. All are in great shape and are being sold since I have replaced all of them with laserdiscs:        Star Wars      The Empire Strikes Back      Return of the Jedi      Batman      Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom      Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade      E.T.   If you are interested in any of these titles, please mail me an offer.
From: ongh@iastate.edu (Calvin N Hobbes) Subject: Wanted: One way flight from Des Moines to Chicago Summary: Ticket needed on 28th of May Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 5  Hi I need a one way flight ticket from Des Moines to Chicago on the 28th of May 1993.  please send your replies to jasonlim@iastate.edu or to this account as soon as possible thank you
From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) Subject: Re: Chrysler New Yorker LHS (was Re: Chryslers Compact LH Sedans?) Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 7   Warren Brown, the Washington Post's auto writer was the first journalist to get his hands on the New Yorker.  If you'd like his impressions of it his review appeared in Friday's paper, in the "Weekend" section. He is not your traditional auto writer... Enjoy. 
From: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi Subject: Strange phenomens in NHL (was: Team leaders in +/-) Lines: 60 Nntp-Posting-Host: tne01.tele.nokia.fi Organization: Nokia Telecommunications.  In article <1993Apr5.195705.29227@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: > In <1993Apr5.185633.17843@ists.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: >  >>Implicitly you are assuming that goals scored against Winnipeg with Selanne >>on the ice can be blamed on him...Roger, he is a FORWARD.  Winnipeg has a >>lousy defensive record anyway.  Let's put it another way.  John Cullen's +/- >>is terrible.  What's your excuse for him?  That his powerplay points don't >>count?  Neither do Selanne's...  >  > Are you comparing Cullen to Salami?  I would say that that is valid.  If > Winnipeg is such a lousy defensive team then why the hell does Salami > stand around the other team's blueline when the puck is in his own end?    I thought that he was comparing Cullen to TEEMU SEL[NNE. I always thought   that salami is some sort of sausage, BUT IF YOU, dear Roger, ARE ABLE TO   SEE SALAMI ON THE ICE PLAYING HOCKEY... I don't know what to do, but you   surely should do something and very quickly!!!    Maybe you think that if you keep on talking some rubbish, after some time   everybody will consider it to be really true... You should take care of   your LEAFS, they surely need it more.    >  >>What he does best is score...so I refer you to my comment above. >  > Some of our Finnish friends who have watched him play claim that he > can play a solid two-way game.  I would have to say that this style > of contribution would be more conducive to winning.  Or don't you  > think so?    At least we have seen him playing...  >  >>>As it is now, Selanne >>>is a grandstanding goal suck.  Did you see the way he parades around >>>with his arms outstretched after scoring a goal?  You would think the >>>Messiah had returned...   During the latest Philly game the Leaf players didn't parade... Philly  crunched them 4-0 !!!  Maybe you need some more two way players who can  score, too !!??? >  >  > cordially, as always, >  > rm >  > --  > Roger Maynard  > maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca     just cordially,    Hannu  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> GO  JETS  GO ! >>>>>>>> TEEMU ! >>>>>>> TEPPO ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> TAPPARA >>>>>> CANADIENS >>>>>>> BLACKHAWKS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
Subject: Re: Who has read Rushdie's _The Satanic Verses_? From: sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed) Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson Lines: 66  In article <116547@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: >Yes. The Qur'an discusses this point in several ways, some of >them quite directly. For example, it says that if God _were_ >to appear them there would be no need for faith and belief as >the evidence would be definitive.  Ah! Excellent. So why doesn't she appear to me? I'm a little weak in the blind faith department. (Besides, she doesn't even really need to appear: how about, oh say, a little tip - something like "put your all on #3 in the 7:30 at the Dog Races" ... perhaps in a dream or vision.)  >>How do we know that >>Muhammed didn't just go out into the desert and smoke something?  > >Would a person who was high write so well and with such consistency?  I'm afraid I don't know arabic; I have only read translations. I wouldn't know it if it were well-written. (Consistent, though, is one thing the Quran is not.)  And have *you* read it in arabic?  Besides, some of my best writing has been done under the influence of, shall we say, consciousness altering substances.  >>And how >>do we know that the scribes he dictated the Quran to didn't screw up, or >>put in their own little verses?  > >They'd have to be very good to do so without destroying the beauty >and literary quality of text Arabic text.   Yes, so? How do we know they *weren't* very good? (Again, assuming that the Quran is beautfully written.)  >>And why can Muhammed marry more than four women,  >>when no other muslim is allowed to?  > >Muhammad did not exceed the number _after_ the revelation regulating >the number of wives a man could marry, but before it.  Ok, I retract this point. (Although I might still say that once he knew, he should have done something about it.)  >>(Although I think the biggest >>insult to Islam is that the majority of its followers would want to >>suppress a book, sight unseen, on the say-so of some "holy" guy. Not to >>mention murder the author.) > >I agree. But is it really true that this is the case?  I haven't interviewed all muslims about this; I would really like it if this were false. But I can't take it on your say-so - what are your sources?  >Another case of judging principles on the basis of those who claim >to follow them.  What other basis do we have to judge a system? Especially when we can't get a consistent picture of what Islam "really" is. Do I believe Khomeini? Do I go by the Imam of the mosque in Mecca? Or perhaps the guy in New Jersey? Or perhaps you say I should go only by the Quran. Ok, whose translation? And what about things like "And wherever you find idolators, kill them"?  -s --   Shamim Mohamed / {uunet,noao,cmcl2..}!arizona!shamim / shamim@cs.arizona.edu   "Take this cross and garlic; here's a Mezuzah if he's Jewish; a page of the     Koran if he's a Muslim; and if he's a Zen Buddhist, you're on your own."    Member of the League for Programming Freedom - write to lpf@uunet.uu.net
From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown) Subject: Re: Nasopharinx Carcenoma... Organization: WINCO Lines: 17  In article <+y55z0d@rpi.edu> chungy2@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung) writes: > >Hi.  Does anyone know the possible causes of nasoparynx carcenoma >and what are the chances of it being hereditary?  Nasopharyngeal cancer is (roughly, don't have references at hand) 20-30 times more prevalent in Chinese than Caucasians, particularly those Chinese from southern China.  One province (or region) has an extraordinary excess.  The Chinese and others have done major studies.  Some association with the Epstein-Barr virus has been noted. > >Also, in the advacned cases, what is the general procedure to  >reduce the pain the area as it prevents the patient from eating >due to the excessive pain of swallowing and even talking? > Palliative radiotherapy is used. 
From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Lines: 81  In article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >In article <1993Apr14.120958.11363@synapse.bms.com>, hambidge@bms.com writes: >>  >> The Second Amendment is about sovereignty, not sporting goods. > >	Perfectly correct, but it won't make any difference.  Hmm.  I beg to differ.  It will probably make a big difference at some point.  > >> Self defense is a valid reason for RKBA. > >	The vast majority get through life without ever having to >	own, use or display a firearm. Besides, there are other >	means of self-protection which can be just as effective >	as firearms.   Thankfully, it is true that the majority go through life without having to use a firearm.  Howver, there are situations where firearms are the most effective means of self protection.  What other means do you propose as equally effective?   > >> Freedoms and rights are not dependent on public opinion, necessity, or >> scientific scrutiny. > >	New to this planet ? EVERYTHING is dependent on either public >	or political opinion, usually political. To imagine that >	inalienable 'rights' are somehow wired into the vast cold >	cosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion.  New to this country? New to political theory? Alas, I was speaking of principle.  Without principle, all attempts at republican forms of gov't are futile.  There are times when public and political opinion are contrary to principle, which is why we have a Constitution which enumerates gov't powers and presumes certain rights.  A major reason for this was to prevent a tyranny of the majority.  > >> No arguments against RKBA can withstand scientific scrutiny. > >	They don't have to. Like so many other things, the issue >	is one of -perception- rather than boring statistics. >	Every time some young innocent is gunned-down in a drive >	by, every time some kid is murdered for a jacket, every >	time a store clerk is executed for three dollars in change, >	every time some moron kills his wife because she took the >	last beer from the fridge, every time someone hears a 'bang' >	in the night .... the RKBA dies. The stats are not all *that* >	clearly behind firearms - the protection factor does not >	strongly outweigh the mindless mayhem factor. Given society >	as we now experience it - it seems safer to get rid of >	as many guns as possible. That may be an error, but enough >	active voters believe in that course.   This is exactly why law should be based on reasoned thought, not immediate perception.  Of course, it doesn't always work that way. Fortunately, while there are no guarantees, logic sometimes does prevail.  And, if not, there are still means for correction.   As far as "enough active voters" are concerned, that is still an open question until the vote is made.  > >> How do you intend to 'silence' RKBA supporters? > >	Talk all you want. Talk about the "good old days" when >	you used to own firearms. After a while, such talk will >	take on the character of war stories ... and no one will >	be very interested anymore.  You portray a possible scenario for the future.  But, how will you silence RKBA supporters right now?  As long as public debate is allowed, such debate will continue. If we allow public debate to be restricted or denied, then we will get a gov't we deserve.  Al [standard disclaimer] 
From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: SOC.RELIGION.CHRISTIAN Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 23  In article <May.16.01.56.14.1993.6674@geneva.rutgers.edu>, sfp@lemur.cit.cornell.edu (Sheila Patterson) wrote: > As for the atheists/agnostics who read this list: if you aren't > christian and if you have no intention of ever becoming one why on > earth do you waste your time and mine by participating on a christian > discussion list ?  I don't think we should draw borders around newsgroups, christians are free to read and post entries on the atheist newsgroups, and  muslims are free to so so in other groups as well.  It's up to each individual to define their time schedule concerning  postings. The problems we all have noticed on various newsgroups is the evangelistical method of telling that 'I am right, and you are wrong'. This is true of both theists and atheists.  Hopefully a more constructive dialogue between the groups  would help concerning assumptions and colorization of views.  Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
From: george@minster.york.ac.uk Subject: EPSON STYLUS 800 Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England Lines: 11  Does anyone have any information or better, first-hand experience, of the new Epson bubblejet printer - Stylus 800??  I'm particularly interested in hearing how well it works under Windows; I presume that a special printer driver is required - is it supplied as standard? Is it able to print everything that a standard Postscript laserprinter could??  Many thanks for any replies - George   George Bolt, Dept of Psychology, Univ of York, UK
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From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) Subject: Re: TV Schedule for Next Week Originator: jpc@condor Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510 Distribution: na Lines: 23   In article <Apr16.043426.69352@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:  |> United States TV Schedule: |> April 18   Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh   1 EST  ABC  (to Eastern time zone) |> April 18   St. Louis at Chicago             12 CDT ABC  (to Cent/Mou time zones) |> April 18   Los Angeles at Calgary           12 PDT ABC  (to Pacific time zone) |> April 20   Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh   7:30   ESPN |> April 22   TBA                              7:30   ESPN |> April 24   TBA                              7:30   ESPN  Does anyone know if there will be alternate games in cities where local broadcast rights are being protected?  I'd really love to see the Bruins a couple times, and with this pro-Patrick bias shown by ESPN something tells me that I will have to wait until the conference finals to see them :-}.  -JPC   --  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John P. Curcio 		          Go Bruins!		   Philips Laboratories jpc@philabs.philips.com 			           345 Scarborough Road (914) 945-6442               	 		     Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510 
From: strobl@gmd.de (Wolfgang Strobl) Subject: Re: Challenge to Microsoft supporters. Nntp-Posting-Host: gmdzi Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany Lines: 22  In <14957@news.duke.edu> kdb@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Kurt Bollacker) writes:  >Brian Grier (bjgrier@bnr.ca) wrote:  >: So to most of the computer users in the world MS product symbolize >: quality. MS has made their life easier, and more productive and to them >: that is quality. They do not care about what innovative things MS has >: done, other than to make their life with a computer one heck of a lot >: easier. You may know better than most computer users in this world >: but that will not change their perception.  >None of this changes the fact that MSW3.1 is objectively inferior to its >competition.  This is indeed true. I prefer Windows NT. It is certainly much better than Microsoft Windows 3.1/DOS.  --       o      (     Wolfgang Strobl    Wolfgang.Strobl@gmd.de (+49 2241) 14-2394      /\        *   GMD - Gesellschaft fuer Mathematik und Datenverarbeitung mbH    _`\ `_<===      Schloss Birlinghoven, P.O. Box 1316,  | #include    __(_)/_(_)___.-._  W-5205 Sankt Augustin, Germany        | <std.disclaimer.hpp>
From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) Subject: Re: making copy of a Video tape Keywords: video Organization: Vpnet Public Access Lines: 19  >There are devices you can buy and/or make.  Look in Radio & Popular  >Electronics mags for the devices.  If all else fails, you can build one  >using the curcuit design from the Dec. '87 issue of Radio Electronics.  My very favorite ad for such a device is on the back of the latest Damark catalog.  Quoting from memory:  [Big flashy type] "Dual deck VCR copies any tape -- Even those that are copy protected!*"  (And underneath the ad in very small print: *This device is not intended for making illegal copies of copyrighted material.)  :-)  --  ---------------------------------------------------- Gordon S. Hlavenka           cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us Vote straight ticket Procrastination party Dec. 3rd!
From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr23.001718.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu  In article <1r6b7v$ec5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >  Besides this was the same line of horse puckey the mining companies claimed > when they were told to pay for  restoring land  after strip mining. >  > they still mine coal in the midwest,  but now it doesn't look like > the moon when theyare done. >  > pat === I aint talking the large or even the "mining companies" I am talking the small miners, the people who have themselves and a few employees (if at all).The people who go out every year and set up thier sluice box, and such and do mining the semi-old fashion way.. (okay they use modern methods toa point).  I am talking the guy who coem to Nome evry year, sets up his tent on the beach (the beach was washed away last year) and sets up his/her sluice box and goes at it "mining". I know the large corps, such as Alaska Gold Company, might complain to..  My opinions are what I learn at the local BS table..  My original thing/idea was that the way to get space mining was to allow the eco-freaks thier way.. As they have done with other mineral development. You can't in many places can't go to the bathroom in the woods without some form of regulation covering it..   == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
From: gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham) Subject: Poem Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International, Menlo Park, CA. Lines: 145             The Sophomore           (Romans 1:22)  The sophomore says, ``What is truth?'' and turns to bask in the admiration of his peers.  How modern how daring how liberating How modern how daring how liberating they chant  The sophomore, being American Doesn't know That his ``question''     modern        skeptical            cynical  Was asked before, by a     modern        skeptical            cynical    urbane cosmopolitan  Politician (appointed not elected) Who happened to live two thousand years ago.  Like many politicians he cared      Less about ideals          than results      Less about ends          than means      Less about anything          than keeping his job               (and his head).  We might call him A bit brutal Though `firm' would be kinder (And no doubt Stalin, who let nobody go, laughed at his laxness) He didn't like his job; perhaps he no longer hoped for better (Nor feared worse, except regarding his head).  And when these wily Jews With their heads-I-win, tails-you-lose      conundrums Brought forth their madman, His first impulse was to play the Roman: ``I find nothing wrong with him,   See to it yourselves.''  But when they mentioned `King' and `Caesar' His heart froze.  If he killed their madman     He'd start a riot          and lose his job              (and his head)  If he saved the King of the Jews     He'd piss off Caesar          and lose his job              (and his head)  And when his wife told him to have    Nothing to do with the righteous lout She didn't tell him anything    He hadn't already figured out.  So he punted.  ``Not my jurisdiction!  Take him to see Herod!'' (who just happened to be in town....)  Herod appreciated the courtesy But wasn't worried         And sent the sharp-tongued fool      (Who suddenly didn't have much to say,     funny how people lose it under pressure....)   back In the attire proper   to his Royal State.  His ass is covered---if Herod has no problem, Caesar certainly won't.  The fool can be king of whatever world he wants as long as it's not Caesar's.  ``I'm letting him go,'' he said with a shout. (Looks like he'll last this one out....)  The crowd's reaction puzzled him.   They really wanted him dead. They didn't want the King of the Jews,   They wanted Barabbas instead (And, as Josephus records, they got him)  Oh well, he thought, They all look the same to me. And we'll get Barabbas next time.  And if I can get them to say    ``We have no king but Caesar!''    By killing a madman, Hell, I'll kill ten a day.  And then Pilate had his fun   A little joke     Short       To the point         Trilingual  And all this Went as it always does When someone gets caught In the gears of government  And there's a scientific explanation      (no doubt) For the superstitious rumors      (persisting to this day) That it didn't all end With a tomb and a Roman squadron on guard.  Our sophomore doesn't know about this He doesn't recognize his kindred spirit (Or truth either, as he admits).  I guess we haven't learned much in two thousand years.     -- -Fred Gilham    gilham@csl.sri.com "Peace is only better than war when it's not hell too.  War being hell makes sense."                -Walker Percy, THE SECOND COMING
From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) Subject: Re: NHL LETTER (***QUITE LONG***) Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu Organization: UB Lines: 54  In article <1993Apr25.222739.16828@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In <1993Apr25.214053.21752@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> phoenix@startide.ctr.columbia.edu (Ali Lemer) writes: > > >>Dear Mr. Bettman - > (Ali's letter deleted for brevity)  >[...] (Roger's acid-laced response removed) >Maybe we should get together and establish some kind of mandatory maturity >level to keep some of this stuff off of the air.  Roger, Your responses might just exclude you from sharing your opinions, then.  You see, the same rights Ali has to mail her letter to the NHL are the same ones that let you post replies that mow her down like wheat at harvest-time.  She never said she represented the entire internet or the entire group rec.sport.hockey.  She has every right to state her opinion along with those of the fifty or sixty or hundred-odd folk who've agreed to allow her to list their names on the bottom of it.  You may not agree with it.  Fine.  I really don't care enough about the name change to care.  Your name isn't attached to it, so why moan and complain?  If you felt her words were leading, well, you're free to feel that way and take exception, but manners never hurt.  I personally disagree and feel her generalizations were fine (I have the right to think and say that, too).  Ali's under no compunction to change a single word.  Now, while you're free to disagree with every word she wrote, to tear apart her character is uncalled for.  I'm posting this as a form of public reprimand.  If you tear down Ali's integrity and character publicly, you'll get chastised publicly in return.  Would it have been so hard to say, "Ali, please be a bit more specific in your description, the way I've read it indicates you're stating my view also, and that's simply not true. I'd really like to see a disclaimer noting that you don't mean the entire internet or the entire r.s.h. group attached to it, despite your intent to list names at the bottom.  Thanks.  Cordially as always," &c.  Calling her a moron and an asshole just reduces the weight of your words and the opinions of their author in the eyes of myself, and possibly others.    Oh, and Ali, nice to see someone standing up for something, even if it's not something I personally advocate.  :-)        --  Valerie Hammerl 	       John Sr. would lift Pat over the boards, grab  hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu       his hand, and start running around the outside, V085PWPZ@UBVMS.CC.BUFFALO.EDU  faster and faster.  "I wanted to learn how to  get that feeling, and the only way was to learn how to skate."  P. LaFontaine
From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Organization: University of Rochester  In article <1993Apr15.150550.15347@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> ccreegan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Charles L. Creegan) writes: > >What about Kekule's infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings >from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails?  Is this >specific enough to count?  Certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic >phil. of sci. texts as an example of the inventive component of >hypothesizing.   And has been rather thoroughly demolished as myth by Robert Scott Root- Bernstein.  See his book, "Discovering".  Ring structures for benzene had been proposed before Kekule', after him, and at the same time as him. The current models do not resemble Kekule's.  Many of the predecessors of Kekule's structure resemble the modern model more.  I don't think "extra-scientific" is a very useful phrase in a discussion of the boundaries of science, except as a proposed definiens.  Extra-rational is a better phrase.  In fact, there are quite a number of well-known cases of extra-rational considerations driving science in a useful direction.  For example, Pasteur discovered that racemic acid was a mixture of enantiomers (the origin of stereochemistry) partly because he liked a friend's crank theory of chemical action.  The friend was wrong, but Pasteur's discovery stood.  A prior investigator (Mitscherlich), looking at the same phenomenon, had missed a crucial detail; presumably because he lacked Pasteur's motivation to find something that distinguished racemic acid from tartaric (now we say: d-tartaric) acid.  Again, Pasteur discovered the differential fermentation of enantiomers (tartaric acid again) not because of some rational conviction, but because he was trying to produce yeast that lived on l-tartaric acid.  His notebooks contained fantasies of becoming the "Newton of mirror-image life," which he never admitted publically.  Perhaps the best example is the discovery that DNA carries genes.  Avery started this work because of one of his students, and ardent Anglophile and Francophobe Canadian, defended Fred Griffiths' discoveries in mice. Most of Griffiths' critics were French, which decided the issue for the student.  Avery told him to replicate Griffiths' work in vitro, which the student eventually did, whereupon Avery was convinced and started the research program which, in 15 or so years, produced the famous discovery (Avery, MacLeod, and McCarty, JEM 1944). --  Mark A. Fulk			University of Rochester Computer Science Department	fulk@cs.rochester.edu
From: pngai@adobe.com (Phil Ngai) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 12  In article <C5sv88.HJy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: >>Do YOU eat all your food cold? > >Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves?  Very popular. >Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially.  The Dividians didn't have that option after the FBI cut off their electricity.  --   Flag burners don't bother me as much as seeing the American flag on tanks assaulting the church of Americans who had never bothered anyone.
Organization: Penn State University From: <CGS103@psuvm.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Changing oil by yourself "IDIOTS" Lines: 14  In article <1993Apr26.143540.29917@cs.tulane.edu>, mark@luke.cray.com (Mark Dean) says: > >Quit whining on the net about changing your oil yourselves!!!!!! >If you can't handle such a simple procedure as changing your >oil then get somebody else to do it and get the hell off the >network!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >                           MD > > Cool off!  These people have as much right to be here as you do. (BTW, is this the kind of friendly, helpful service we should expect from Cray?)
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From: labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com (Joel Labson) Subject: Maybe????? Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 17  Hi Christian friends,  My name is Joel, I have a sister who's 25th birthday is tomorrow.....She used to be on fire for the Lord, but somehow, for some reason, she became cold....she don't want to associate anymore with her old christian friends.........so I thought maybe some of you could help her out again by sending her a postcard or card with a little message of encouragement.....hand written is okay....her address is 3150 Hobart Ave. San Jose Ca. 95127...........  Thank you and God Bless.  PS: Jesus Christ is LORD!!!!!!!!   [I have some qualms about postings like this.  You might want to engage in a bit more conversation with Joel before deluging  someone who doesn't expect it with cards.  --clh]
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: Migraines Article-I.D.: pitt.19398 Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 19  In article <DRAND.93Mar26112932@spinner.osf.org> drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes:  >So I'll ask this,  my neurologist just prescribed Cafergot and >Midrin as some alternatives for me to try.  He stated that >the sublingual tablets of ergotamine were no longer available. >Any idea why?  He also suggested trying 800 mg ibuprophen. >  I just found out about the sublinguals disappearing too.  I don't know why.  Perhaps because they weren't as profitable as cafergot. Too bad, since tablets are sometimes vomited up by migraine patients and they don't do any good flushed down the toilet.  I suspect we'll be moving those patients more and more to the DHE nasal spray, which is far more effective. --  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: ad215@Freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme) Subject: Re: Canucks clinch, Bure to score 20 playoff goals Reply-To: ad215@Freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 21   In a previous article, steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) says: > >Ron Apland (apland@mala.bc.ca) writes: >> Quinn will resign as head coach (this is no secret) and HOPEFULLY they will  >> BRING IN someone who looks at the game spatially and institutes some team  >> disciplined play.  How about Keenan?  Give him what he wants, GM and Coach, >> and have Quinn upstairs as president. > >I was under the impression that Rick Ley was in line for the Canucks job >should Quinn step off the bench. Ley coached in the Canucks' organization  BRING BACK HARRY!  (NEALE)  At least he was witty...  --  ad215@freenet.carleton.ca (Rachel Holme)]
From: baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (baden de bari) Subject: _Exhausted student needing HELP! Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Lines: 40          Well, I've now been working on this DAMNED stepper controller board  since 9pm.  It's now 6am... I'm pissed off.  Period.  Alright, I can  drive the steppers through the 3479P's; no problem (that's with the  6-wire steppers, 2 to +, and the other 4 are the phase lines).  Problem  1:  I've got some 4 wire steppers.  I put the darkest line to + and the  other 3 to the 3479P... worked, kinda.  Tried it with a printer stepper  (moves the head back and forth, 4 wires), didn't work too well.  It  would  shift back and forth (use something like a 4017 instead?)  Also I've  been  trying to get a bunch of NPN's to work with it... NO LUCK... tried  PNP's,  still NO LUCK!!!  I don't know if I'm cursed on this or what, but I feel  my brain slowly frying with the thought of STEPPER ... ARGGG!!!          I don't know what's wrong with the transistor hook-up (to-220  pkg  type), also tryed the 2n2222-pkg type... no luck.                           I'm going to try getting some z's, and I hope  you  can help me with this problem.    If someone can please help me with this soon, it would be greatly    appreciated...                   Thanks.         _________________________________________________   Inspiration  |   ___                             |   comes to     |  \   o  baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |   those who    | (  ^  ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca |   seek the     |   /-\      =] Baden de Bari [=    |   unknown.     |                                   |   -------------------------------------------------    l
From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: James and Sirach Lines: 31  On Thursday 6 May 1993, Dave Davis writes:   > I'm leaning... SIRACH... is more directly referenced by JAMES  > than JOB or RUTH is... in any NT verse I've seen.  It would help if you mentioned chapter and verse from SIRACH and from JAMES.  Job 5:13 ("He taketh the wise in their craftiness") seems to be quoted in 1 Corinthians 3:19.  James 5:11 ("You have heard of the patience of Job"), while not a quote, implies that James and his listeners are familiar with a story of a man named Job who exhibited exemplary patience. It is possible that the story they know is not that found in the Hebrew Bible, but rather another similar and related story. (One has the same problem with direct quotes.)  Again, Matthew 1:5 ("Boaz begat Obed of Ruth") tells us that Matthew knew a story about a woman named Ruth who married a man called Boaz and  became the ancestor of David. Since Ruth is not mentioned in the OT outside the Book of Ruth, it seems likely that Matthew was familiar with the book and respected it, and thought Ruth important enough to be one of the few women mentioned in the genealogy.  References like this do not prove that the NT writer considered his OT source inspired or inerrant or canonical. But neither do direct quotes.   Yours,  James Kiefer
From: qpliu@ernie.Princeton.EDU (q.p.liu) Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: ernie.princeton.edu Reply-To: qpliu@princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 34  In article <1993Apr5.091139.823@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >In article <16BA5DA01.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de>, I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >> But could you give a definition of free will? Especially in the >> presence of an omniscient being?  >"Will" is "self-determination".  In other words, God created conscious >beings who have the ability to choose between moral choices independently >of God.  All "will", therefore, is "free will".  So these hypothetical conscious beings can ignore any influences of their circumstances (their genetics, their environment, their experiences) which are not all self-determined?  (Of course, the idea of Hell makes the idea of "free will" dubious. On the other hand, the idea of Hell is not a very powerful idea.  	"A Parable for You  	"There was once our main character who blah blah blah. 	"One day, a thug pointed a mean looking gun at OMC, and said, 'Do what I say, or I'm blasting you to hell.' 	"OMC thought, 'If I believe this thug, and follow the instructions that will be given, I'll avoid getting blasted to hell.  On the other hand, if I believe this thug, and do not follow the instructions that will be given, I'll get blasted to hell.  Hmm... the more attractive choice is obvious, I'll follow the instructions.'  Now, OMC found the choice obvious because everything OMC had learned about getting blasted to hell made it appear very undesirable. 	"But then OMC noticed that the thug's gun wasn't a real gun.  The thug's threats were make believe. 	"So OMC ignored the thug and resumed blah blah blah.") --  qpliu@princeton.edu           Standard opinion: Opinions are delta-correlated.
From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) Subject: Re: japanese moon landing? Organization: NASA Langley Research Center Lines: 13 Distribution: world Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov  > there is no such thing as a stable lunar orbit  Is it right??? That is new stuff for me. So it means that  you just can  not put a sattellite around around the Moon for too long because its  orbit will be unstable??? If so, what is the reason??? Is that because  the combined gravitacional atraction of the Sun,Moon and Earth  that does not provide a stable  orbit around the Moon???   C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV  C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov  Claudio Oliveira Egalon
From: carolan@owlnet.rice.edu (Bryan Carolan Dunne) Subject: WYSIWYG word processor for DOS!!!!!! Organization: Rice University Lines: 70  Hey!!! I've just upgraded my laptop to a Windows-capable one, so I  don't need my DOS word processor anymore.  It's a great word  processor.  Easy-to-use, undemanding on the system, and best of all, it has a WYSIWYG EDITING mode.  This is something Word Perfect doesn't have!!  And all I'm asking is $65 + shipping. It even comes with several hundred dollars of free utilities!!!  $65 for a full-featured WYSIWYG word processor!!!  Perfect for a laptop, or a lower powered machine!  Check this out: CA> It has:  CA> - WYSIWYG-mode editing (Word Perfect still trying to do CA> this!)  CA> - Graphics-importing, scaling, and resizing (Comes CA> with free art!)  CA> - Scalable fonts (30 typefaces included!) CA> Indentical from screen to printer! (See below for more info CA> on font generator)  CA> - On-line spell-checking and thesaurus CA> (See below for more info!)  CA> - Great 10-level outliner! CA> - Multiple columns CA> - Dual-document opening and editing CA> - Line and box drawing CA> - Search and replace CA> - Cut, copy, insert, and paste between documents and inside CA> documents   CA> - Justification control CA> - Resettable margins, tabs, and line-spacing CA> - Savable layouts CA> - Headers, footers, page numbering CA> - Table of Contents CA> - Multiple rulers in one document CA> - Mail merge CA>   CA> Also included as free utilities: CA> - Publisher's Powerpak Font Engine: This gives PFS:Write CA> scalable fonts  in sizes from 4pt to 72pt!  Support for CA> screen (in Write) and printer  (even 9-pin dot-matrix looks CA> great!).  Comes with 30 typefaces.  Supports  subscripts and CA> superscripts, too!  CA> - Grammatik IV: The grammar and style CA> checker.  Comes with a quick  reference card for easy use. CA> It really helped my punctuation and usage!  CA> - International CorrectSpell English and Roget's Electronic  CA> Thesaurus: Th dictionary and thesuarus pack is published by  CA> the publishers of The American Hertiage Dictionary.  If you  CA> can't trust them with your words, who can you trust? CA> - ClickArt Business Images: A sampler of the ClickArt CA> library.  Perfect for importing into PFS:Write documents. CA>   CA> I bought this product 1 year ago for $129. Its easy to use CA> and turns out great-looking documents, even on a dot-matrix  CA> printer.  So if you  want WYSIWYG editing for your DOS-computer  CA> now, PFS:Write is here!   CA>   CA> I'm looking to get $65.  It comes with full CA> documentation, registration cards, the box (its still in CA> good condition), both 5 1/4" and 3 1/2" disks for PFS:Write CA> and Grammatik, and the ClickArt on a 3 1/2" disk. The CA> utilities PFS:Write comes with are worth $300 alone, so $65 CA> for a full-featured WP is a REAL BARGAIN.  Buyer pays CA> shipping. CA>   CA> Please respond by email to carolan@owlnet.rice.edu CA> or call (713) 520-5720 CA>   CA> Bryan Dunne 
From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: Was Jesus Black? Organization: FL Lines: 31  In article <Apr.24.01.08.17.1993.4217@geneva.rutgers.edu> shd2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Sherlette Dixon) writes: >The people who post to this particular newsgroup are either too cowardly,  <...more accusations about a worldwide conspiracy against blacks.>  Since Jesus was born in the Middle East, then I expect his human features to be similar to Middle Easterners at that point in time. And since the camera wasn't invented yet we can only guess what  he looked like. For example, with all the dinosaur bones we're digging up we still don't know if they were yellow-polka-dotted, or purplish-orange 8-). Likewise, I don't think anybody has a  picture of Jesus (is there ? 8-) ) So our current image of  Jesus is our best guess.  Okay. So let's assume that Jesus is black. Would that make you follow His techings ? Cause if you follow His teachings, skin  color becomes a moot point, anyway. What counts more in your life ? Your faith in Jesus or His skin color (as a human) ?  In the interest of historical accuracy, however, since Jesus was from Israel wouldn't His skin color be like any other Jew ? i.e. fair-skinned ? Although probably heavily tanned from the desert sun ? Experts in this area speak up !!! cause I'm not. 8-)    --  ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley                        |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com      | The Lost Los Angelino              |
From: jls@atglab.atg.com (Jerome Schneider) Reply-To: jls@atg.com Distribution: world Subject: Re: QUESTIONS about DOS external JOIN command... Organization: Aspen Technology Group X-Mailer: UUPC/bsnews 2.1 modified Lines: 66   In article <1srg8c$i54@spud.Hyperion.COM>, the author writes: >    I am setting up my DOS/UNIX box on a 116M IDE and a 412M SCSI drive > and was wondering about the use of the (MS-DOS 5.0) JOIN command.  I > like the way it sets things up since I won't have to stick with the C: > D: & E: (crap) that DOS enforces.  I like how it would mimic mount > points of UNIX filesystems.  I have heard that there were problems > with using it, or at least under older versions of DOS.  Please tell!  I have been using the JOIN command for many years now, mostly with good success in duplicating unix-style file mounts.  You will hear lots of people cursing JOIN because they confuse it with the dos APPEND command (a truely gnarly hack), but don't believe them.  You also will hear people saying that Microsoft recommends that you not use JOIN.  But, in Microsoft's Windows 4 Workgroups Resource toolkit, the following appears:    "JOIN, an MS-DOS utility, works fine with Windows for Workgroups 3.1 if   you do not change the state of the joined drives during a Windows for   Workgroups 3.1 session. This includes adding or removing joined drives   from within Windows for Workgroups. We recommend that you do not use   JOIN when running Windows Setup or Windows for Workgroups 3.1."  Within this caveat, JOIN appears to be valid under windows.  However, I have found a couple of applications that don't deal well with filesystems that have been "mounted" using join.  In particular, the worst offender is Word for Windows 2.0x.  It gets very confused when you edit and then try to save a file on a joined drive. It wants to create the saved file as ~NNNNN.tmp in the current dir, then delete the old file and rename the ~NNNNN.tmp file to the *.doc file.  Unfortunately, WfW usually writes the ~NNNNN.tmp file in some idiotic place other than the current directory (often in the root dir of the joined filesystem, but not always).  Then, after deleting the original *.doc file, it can't find the ~NNNNN.tmp file to rename it.  Unless you search your disk systems, the document is gone.  I have also found subtle problems using the MKS toolkit from a DOS box when JOINed filesystems are present.  I used to join c:\temp with a 4meg ramdisk, but MKS sometimes gets confused when doing an "ls" on the c:\temp dir, and misses some files in the temp dir.  (This is difficult to  reproduce, but it goes away totally when JOIN is not used.)  I think this is a Windows problem, rather than MKS's, since it works OK under raw DOS.  So, I would suggest that you can use JOIN, but be aware that it may not be as robust you would like.  Wouldn't it be real great to "mount" network drives (i.e. Z:) under the main file tree, rather than having all those darned drive letters? Unfortunately, JOIN won't let you do it.  There was talk on the net about a simple patch to let JOIN work on network drives, but I don't remember the source.  It's too bad the JOIN command is not better implemented, since it would avoid using all those stupid drive letters.  I realize that MessDos was meant for casual, even ignorant users, so "mounting" all the drives in one file tree might be confusing. But, it looks like MS is going to carry this over into windows NT (another OS meant for casual, even igorant  users -- NOT!).  With all it's old family system baggage, maybe MS needs a recovery group so they can get on with life :-(.  -- Jerome (Jerry) Schneider             Domain: jls@atg.COM  Aspen Technology Group               UUCP:   {uunet}!csn!atglab!jls PO Box 673, Ft. Collins, CO 80522    Voice:  (303) 484-1488 
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From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Revival of San Marco? (was Re: Commercial Space News #22) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 32  higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes:  >In article <324417a1@ofa123.fidonet.org>, Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org writes: >> COMMERCIAL SPACE NEWS/SPACE TECHNOLOGY INVESTOR NUMBER 22 >[...] >>    Other commercial launch site ventures -- including those at  >> Woomera, Poker Flat, Cape York, White Sands, Alabama Off-Shore  >> Platform, Hawaii, and Vandenberg have to also be judged against  >> these criteria.  In my opinion, some of these ventures are flying  >> on hope and speculation, and not on sound financial grounds.]  >This reminds me... my fuzzy brain recalls that somebody was thinking >of reviving the San Marco launch platform off the coast of Kenya, >where the Copernicus satellite was launched around 1972.  Is this >true, or am I imagining it?  Possibly it's connected with one of the >Italian programs to revive the Scout in a new version.  >That old platform must be getting pretty rusty, and there ain't a lot >of infrastructure to go with it...  My information shows that the last San Marco launch was 1988.  There seem to  have been a total of seven before that.  I seem to recall that someone, either ASI or the University of Rome (?) includes money in their annual budget for maintainance of the platforms (there are actually two).  The Italians have been spending money to develop an advanced Scout.  However, recent events in the Italian space program, and the Italian government overall make me skeptical that this will get off the ground in the near future. --  Josh Hopkins                                          jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 		    "Find a way or make one." 	             -attributed to Hannibal
Subject: Re:  PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) Distribution: world Organization: Muppet Labs Lines: 27  In article <1993Apr22.213815.12288@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >In <1993Apr22.130923.115397@zeus.calpoly.edu> dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes: > >> ETHER IMPLODES 2 EARTH CORE, IS GRAVITY!!! > >If not for the lack of extraneously capitalized words, I'd swear that >McElwaine had changed his name and moved to Cal Poly.  I also find the >choice of newsgroups 'interesting'.  Perhaps someone should tell this >guy that 'sci.astro' doesn't stand for 'astrology'? > >It's truly frightening that posts like this are originating at what >are ostensibly centers of higher learning in this country.  Small >wonder that the rest of the world thinks we're all nuts and that we >have the problems that we do. > >[In case you haven't gotten it yet, David, I don't think this was >quite appropriate for a posting to 'sci' groups.]  Was that post for real? I thought it was a late April Fool joke. Some of it seemed a bit over the top even by McElwaine/Abian/etc standards :-)  -- ... Ross Smith (Wanganui, NZ) ............ alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz ...       "And crawling on the planet's face       Some insects called the human race       Lost in time and lost in space"      (RHPS) 
From: cshotton@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Chuck Shotton) Subject: Re: Interesting DC-X cost anecdote Organization: Academic Computing Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: oac2.hsc.uth.tmc.edu  In article <1993May14.200217.3044@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) wrote: >  > A staffer just told me an interesting story about DC-X. An Air Force > costing team just looked at the DC-X (now called the DC-X1 BTW) and > gave an estimate on how much it would cost the Air Force to build it. > It cost SDIO $70M to build and it would cost the USAF: >  >  >  >         $320 million or four and a half times as much.  I'd be willing to bet that a majority of the cost difference could be accounted for by the AF's requirement for superfluous 2167 documentation, 5 or 6 huge requirements and design reviews, travel expenses flying personnel around to meetings, and over specifying the hardware. I doubt that the actual fabrication cost in materials and labor would be very different from SDIO's costs.  Of course, this is my cynical opinion based on years of watching the government procurement process try to cover up a lack of creativity and innovation with reams of documentation. ;)
From: jla@priam.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Joseph Arceneaux) Subject: Mac Software For Sale Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 8 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: priam.cs.berkeley.edu Summary: Claris Filemaker Pro Database Manager for sale   Claris Filemaker Pro Database Manager for sale.  Still in package.  $240 or best offer.  Call (415) 824 6209, ask for Larry.  *** DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS ACCOUNT ***
From: siockman@elaine3.Stanford.EDU (Sam Ockman) Subject: Best Shareware/rograms Organization: Dr. Herzl's New Zion Club X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 20  I know that there is a list of the best shareware and public domain programs for Windows at the cica ftp site, but unfortunately it is a year old.  The list author made it sound like the list was going to be updated every month.  Is it still being updated?  Does anyone else compile a similar list?   Also are there any individual suggestions as to what the best shareware/public domain programs are?  I'm interested in good software in just about every category (please try and include the ftp site and exact file name, if possible, in your post).  Thanks,  Sam   -- siockman@leland.stanford.edu  "It will be good."           - David Broza
From: stompkin@tuba.calpoly.edu (The Edge) Subject: Re: KINGS EVEN SERIES AT 2. STAUER SHINES!! Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 98  In article <1rfbldINN1qe@abyss.West.Sun.COM> dvb@ick (David Van Beveren) writes: > >vzhivov@superior.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes: >[Game 3 report deleted] >:it (bad ref'ing) won't affect this >: series, which should only go two more games, all things being equal. > >Wrong. > >The Kings just put on an exibition of hustle, team play and consistent  >pounding and took it back to Calgary with the series tied at 2 games each. >The final score was 3-1, with the third goal an empty-netter at 19:54 of >the third (Conacher). > >This is not an official game report, just my observations from the stands. > >1. Melrose made a wise decision and put Stauber back in goal. Robb had >   something to prove, and he did in stopping 28 of 29 while facing a  >   fierce Calgary attack. There were numerous 'highlight film' saves. > >2. Kings third and fourth lines rose to the occasion, playing rough while >   avoiding bad penalties. Warren Rychel scored the game-winner early in the >   second period. (Rookie defenseman Alexi Zhitnik scored the first from the  >   blue line late in the first.) > > >3. Dave Taylor is awesome. He suffered a broken nose partway through the >   second pariod, checked from behind into the boards by Roberts, who got >   5 and a game. He came back late in the third, and was on the ice when >   Conacher scored the empty netter.   Actually it was in the third period, his return did bring a spark to the crowd, and to the players, who played awesome defense in the third.  > >4. The Kings go-to guys still are not producing. No goals from Kurri, Granato, >   Sandstrom or Robitaille, who have a total of 10 points between them.   You forgot about Gretzky.  If any of these guys start scoring, the Kings will be unstoppable, if they continue the great defensive work as well.  > >5. McCreary sucks. He called McSorely for high sticking someone who was already >   on the ice, and Sandstrom for high sticking when he himself was already on >   the ice. He missed many flagrant stick penalties, including one from Flame >   goalie Jeff Reese who followed Granato out to almost the blue line where he >   cross-checked him. He called the game very inconsistently, with a series of >   ticky-tack penalties in the first and almost none in the third. Can't the >   NHL supply decent officiating? > >6. I was sitting directly across the ice from Ron and Nancy Reagan. When the >   empty netter was scored, Nancy leapt out of her seat with both fists high >   in the air. Way to go Nancy! > > >This series is still too close to call. Tuesday's game may be the deciding >one. I expect King might put Vernon back in, even though Reese had two good >games in LA. Reese has historically been good in LA. This was only the second >time he lost there. This move would be good for the Kings, since Vernon is  >such a sieve. I am sure that Stauber will get the call for the Kings.  Stauber will be in net on Tuesday.  Hopefully he will provide another stellar performance and earn the name Robb "Stopper" Stauber.  > >The firswt two lines of the Kings have to wake up. While it is great to see, >you cannot depend on Pat Conacher and Warren Rychel for all of your offense. >I expect Sandstrom, Granato and Gretzky might be put back together on a line >like they were early in the season. This would leave Kurri, Carson and Luc >as the second. On paper, these two lines look powerful. Let's see if they >can make it real.  I believe this is how they are...I know it is Gretzky and Sandstrom, but he has been putting a number of people on left.  Also the Carson, Robataille Kurri line once ignited, will light the fire of the other lines. (Hopefully!) > >GO KINGS! > >dvb > > >  It is evident that the scoring drought is getting to Luc, after his slight breakaway in the third (I think) he was steamed on the bench, this emotion might help him break his streak.  Also, I have noticed Blake has had a few really good chances to score, but has fanned, or shot wide.  Is the injury still affecting him?     The E     D     G     E  stompkin@tuba.calpoly.edu 
From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: Re: Too Many European in NHL Lines: 29 Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada  RA>    Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL.  R> I am sick of watching a game between an American and a Canadian  RA> team (let's say, the Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names  R> like "Bure" "Konstantinov" and "Borshevshky". Is this North America  RA> isn't it?   I disagree.  I think the NHL should feature the best hockey talent in the world -- regardless of nationality.  I have to admit that when I  see players like Gretzky and Messier traded off to the US because the Canadian teams can't afford them, I have been know to say (only half- seriously) that we'd probably be better off if we had our own Canadian hockey league for Canadian players! ;-)  RA> I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let  RA> te Bures and Selannes of the world play on their own continent.      RA>  RA> I just don't want themon mine.      Again, it doesn't matter to me -- Russian, Finnish, Mexican, Albertan, New Yorker, black, white, korean, martian, plutoneon, ... it doesn't matter.   Any of them can put a Leafs' jersey on if they can put the puck in!  :-)  Stephen Legge SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca 
Subject: Black Screen of Death, Windows, Novell From: psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service" Lines: 23  Hi there,  We are running a 120 node Token ring with Windows 3.1 and Novell 3.11.  Every once in a while, we run into "The Black Screen of Death", a phrase coined by Robert X. Cringely in a recent InfoWorld column.    Basically, sometimes when you quit Windows, the screen goes black and you get a nice little flashing cursor in the top left corner of your screen.  Also, sometimes when you exit to DOS, the same effect occurs. Cringely hints that Microsoft and/or Novell has a patch for Windows' virtual interrupt controller that  may solve this.  Neither company seems to know what I am talking about when I call them.  Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon?    Is there a fix for it?  Any response is welcome.  Peter Sweeney psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu 
From: tmspence@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (thomas morris spencer) Subject: Are there any Honda groups? Nntp-Posting-Host: bronze.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Distribution: na Lines: 6    Are there any Honda groups out there?  Especially ones that deal with Preludes?  Tom Spencer
From: golf@phoenix.oulu.fi (Jouko Kylmaoja) Subject: German audience is lunatic?? Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 17  I watched the game Germany-Czechs in WC today...and i was astonished about the behaviour of the German audience! The German team got a few penalties in the last period and the crowd went grazy! They threw coins, extra pucks and other trash into the rink...is that stupid or what?? I guess the Canadian referee (one of the Isostar-bros ;) gave the German team a penalty for that, but it didn't help much. I guess the Germans just are proud over their Nazi-Kill-'em-All-Everyone- But-Us-Germans-Sucks attitude...they just seem to have that kind of attitude in every possible sport (remember the European champs in Stockholm in soccer) It really pisses me off! I do not mean that every single German has this attitude that sucks, but  most of them seem to do...  	Jokke Kylmaoja 	golf@phoenix.oulu.fi 
From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut) Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office  X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 29  : henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:  : >There is an emergency oxygen system that is capable of maintaining a : >breathable atmosphere in the cabin for long enough to come down, even : >if there is something like a 5cm hole in the wall that nobody tries : >to plug.  Josh Hopkins (jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) replied: : Wow.  : Double wow.  Can you land a shuttle with a 5cm hole in the wall?  Personnally, I don't know, but I'd like to try it sometime.  Programmatically, yes, we can land an Orbiter with a 5 cm hole in the wall -- provided that the thing which caused 5 cm hole didn't cause a Crit 1 failure on some of the internal systems.  There are a few places where a 5 cm hole would cause a Bad Day -- especially if the 5 cm hole went all the way through the Orbiter and out the other side, as could easily happen with a meteor strike.  But a hole in the pressure vessel would cause us to immediately de-orbit to the next available landing site.  -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office       kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov  (713) 483-4368       "NASA turns dreams into realities and makes science fiction       into fact" -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator 
From: schrader@pi.eai.iastate.edu (Dave Schrader) Subject: 400 big block Keywords: 400 big block Article-I.D.: news.C5MF3F.LnB Organization: Engineering Animation, Inc. Lines: 9  As the subject says.  It has 70k and my brother-in-law wants $250.  Please don't reply to me as I am posting this for him. Here's his numbers :               5pm-10pm   712 676 3669               daytime    712 269 1261     --                            Dave Schrader                           schrader@eai.iastate.edu
From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Organization: . Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com  In article <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:   >...   >In the near future, federal martials will come for your arms.   >No one will help you. You are more dangerous, to their thinking,   >than the 'criminal'. This is your own fault.    >   >The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way.  You know, in many ways this might be just the kick we need to straighten things out in this country.  Also, people would have a need to replace guns with something else, perhaps deadly sprays that would make Mace and OC seem like water.  They would be lighter and easier to conceal.  Guns are really "old" in design and as long as we have tons of them, no one is motivated to design something better.  I'm sure we could come up with some real nasty stuff if we tried and getting rid of these guns would get us moving on this track asap.  This is what we really want, right?  Stuff that's smaller, lighter and far more deadly.  Remember, in this country we'll really scramble to accomplish impossible feats if we are motivated enough and I think "self-defense" is high on our list of motivators.
From: neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... In-Reply-To: madman@austin.ibm.com's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 17:31:58 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: seoul Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd., Burnaby, B.C., Canada 	<1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> <C5JCpA.1ptt@austin.ibm.com> Lines: 12  [sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ]  > That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves > and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is  > imminent. > > Steve Heracleous  You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from me - those kids are mean.
From: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca (John McKay) Subject: Re: Math?? (Was US govt & Technolgy Investment Keywords: science? Nntp-Posting-Host: alcor.concordia.ca Organization: Concordia University, Montreal, Canada Lines: 21  mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:  >|>Report called it The Science of Order, but that's probably pomposity.  >|It is, however, now somewhat of an experimental science with the exploration >|of fractals, strange attractors, and artificial life. Whether important >|insights will be gained from these experiments is unknown, but it does >|tend to change the shape of what has mostly been viewed as an abstract >|deductive field.  >How do you do experiments in mathematics? Well ... Have a look at a new journal: Journal of Experimental Mathematics It has several Fields medallists on its editorial board. You want to knwo more? Try Klaus Peters in Boston or David Epstein at Warwick .  --  Deep ideas are simple.                       Odd groups are even.                                            Even simples are not.
From: Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org Subject: Space Advertising (1 of 2) X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 Lines: 81  Brian Yamauchi asks: [Regarding orbital billboards...] >And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN >news blip?  How serious is this project?  Is this just in the "wild >idea" stage or does it have real funding?        Well, I had been collecting data for next edition of the Commercial Space News/Space Technology Investor... To summarize:    SPACE ADVERTISING     First, advertising on space vehicles is not new -- it is very common practice to put the cooperating organization's logos on the space launch vehicle.  For example, the latest GPS launcher had the (very prominent) logos on its side of    - McDonnell Douglas (the Delta launcher)    - Rockwell International (who built the GPS satellite)    - USAF (who paid for the satellite and launch), and    - the GPS/Navstar program office    This has not been considered "paid advertising" but rather "public relations", since the restrictions have been such that only organizations involved in the launch could put their logos on the side, and there was no money exchanged for this.  [However, putting a 10' high logo on the side of the launch vehicle facing the cameras is "advertising" as much as it is "public relations", in my opinion.]  [And by the way, I note that the DC-X test vehicle has rather prominent McDonnell-Douglas and SDIO logos on the side...]    There have been several studies looking at the revenue potentials for use of space vehicles for advertising, or placing large advertising signs in orbit.  On the shuttle, for example, I know of several serious studies in the early and mid 1980's which looked at putting logos on the external tank, or on the sides of the payload bay.  These ventures would be different than "public relations", in that the logos or displays would not be restricted to the firms participating on that flight, and would involve payment of sums for the right to fly the logos in a prominent organization.  (For example, painting the ET to look like a Pepsi can, or putting a Disneyworld logo on the inside of the payload bay where the cameras would scan past it.)    ADVERTS ON LAUNCH VEHICLES    The first paid advertising was done on a Soviet launcher in about 1990, when several non-involved foreign organizations were allowed to pay to put their logos on a Proton launch.  (An Italian shoe company was one of the first advertisers, I remember.)  Similarly, Soviet cosmonauts on Mir made a paid advertisement for the last Olympic games, and have gleefully shown banners and other items from participating firms and organizations.  Mars candy bars, for example, got a plug from orbit as a sponsor of the launch of the British visiting cosmonaut to Mir.    Now US firms are starting to put paid advertisements on launch vehicles.  The upcoming Conestoga launch (in June) putting the COMET recoverable payload capsule into orbit will have paid advertisements on the side, for Arnold Schwarzenegger's upcoming movie "The Last Action Hero".  Besides the usual logos of the participating organizations, Columbia pictures has paid $500,000 to put ads on the main fuselage of the mission's Conestoga rocket, its booster rockets, and on the COMET payload, which will orbit the Earth for one month.  A concept for this advertising display was published in Space News magazine a couple of months ago.    (As a side note: Robert Lorsch, an advertising executive, is talking about suing NASA.  He charges NASA with appropriating an idea he created with the space agency in 1981 to form corporate advertising sponsorships on NASA spacecraft as a way to get funding for the space program.  Lorsch contends that in selling advertising space on the upcoming COMET, NASA violated an agreement that it "would not use his idea without him being the exclusive representative for NASA and receiving compensation."   This is being disputed, since the launch is a "commercial launch" and NASA is receiving none of the advertising revenues, but the funding for the COMET program is coming from NASA.)    ORBITAL "BILLBOARDS"    Orbital "billboards" have been the staple of science fiction for some time.  Arthur C. Clarke wrote about one example, and Robert Heinlein described another in "The Man Who Sold the Moon".  Several different potential projects have been developed, although none have been implemented, but the most real prior to 1993 being the "Eiffel II" project, which would have placed a large inflatable sculpture in orbit to celebrate the French Republic's Bi-centennial.                                                 (cont)  --- Maximus 2.01wb
From: dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) Subject: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 9 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu  Another user recently requested info about the Shadow/Sundance cars, but I haven't seen any public responses.  What are people's experiences with these cars?  Daryl               Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    d-biberdorf@tamu.edu                + Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura
From: koreth@spud.Hyperion.COM (Steven Grimm) Subject: Re: Opinions on Allergy (Hay Fever) shots? Organization: Hyperion, Mountain View, CA, USA Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: spud.hyperion.com  I had allergy shots for about four years starting as a sophomore in high school.  Before that, I used to get bloody noses, nighttime asthma attacks, and eyes so itchy I couldn't get to sleep.  After about 6 months on the shots, most of those symptoms were gone, and they haven't come back.  I stopped getting the shots (due more to laziness than planning) in college. My allergies got a little worse after that, but are still nowhere near as bad as they used to be.  So yes, the shots do work.
From: v5914ane@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Steve) Subject: Wanted Ultima 5 for IBM Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 4 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu  I am looking for Ultima V for the IBM, I would like the entire package (meaning I need more than just the game, I would like the Docs also) Since it is an old game I do not want to pay a lot of money. If you are interested in selling this game please respond to this message.
From: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV (M.L. 'Broomen' Behnke) Subject: Re: Peltier Effect Heat Pumps Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab Lines: 66 Reply-To: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov  In article <2745@snap>, paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes: > >I was having a look through a couple of components catalogues when I >came across a range of Peltier Effect heat pumps intended for cooling >components.  For those who have not heard of this effect, you put a >current through one of these devices, and it pumps heat from one side >to the other.  Reverse the current and you reverse the effect.  I >think a temperature difference can give you an EMF as well. > >Anyway, it struck me that you could make a nice cool/hot box for >picnics with one of these, a power regulator, a thermostat and a >couple of heat sinks.  The biggest device can shift 60W with an >efficiency of 80-90%, which ain't bad (although it would flatten my >car battery in about half an hour). >  So-Called Cool-Hot boxes have been advetised for several years.  I recall Damark advertising them in a recent catalog.  Problem with the units is they do a sh***y job of keeping food cold/warm.  The peliter devices used just don't seem to have enough punch to keep up.  If you want something hot, you need to heat it up before you put it in the box, and end up hours later with food thats only moderately warm.  Same goes for cold items.  >Unfortunately the catalogue didn't list anything more than the basic >specs as a heat pump.  I imagine that you would get a back-EMF as the >temperature gradient across the device increases.  If so, presumably >its power decreases as the back-EMF increases, until eventually we >have a steady state with no current being consumed (assuming no >leakage).  If so, then the final temperature difference between the >two sides could be set by the supply voltage and nothing more >(although that would be a lousy way to control it). > >What I would like to know is: > >1: Are the above guesses correct? > >2: What is the open-circuit thermal resistance of a typical device? >   (I just want to be sure that my coolbox is not going to get warm >   too fast when I unplug it)   You'de probably be better off getting a good Coleman(tm) cooler and stocking up on "blue ice" blocks.  > >3: How does a Peltier Effect heat pump actually work?  It looks like >   magic! > >4: Why don't they use these things in domestic fridges/freezers? >  Same as above.  Not enough "punch" in them to keep/get things cold/hot. > >Thanks in advance, > >Paul. > >Paul Johnson (paj@gec-mrc.co.uk).	    | Tel: +44 245 73331 ext 3245 >--------------------------------------------+---------------------------------- >These ideas and others like them can be had | GEC-Marconi Research is not >for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. | responsible for my opinions Mike Behnke             | Senior Tech/Advisor | Quid est illuidin aqua?? Fermi Nat Accel Lab     | Equipment Suuport   | Batavia, Il.            | Computing Div       | PISTRIX!!  PISTRIX!! BEHNKE@FNALF.FNAL.GOV   |                     |  My opinions are my own, not of the lab. So, if you don't like them, call  1-800-UWH-INER
Organization: Penn State University From: Azmi Hashim <AXH113@psuvm.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Trident VGA Drivers Lines: 12  In article <C5y66r.FGp@cs.mcgill.ca>, bjcon@cs.mcgill.ca (Brendan NEWMAN) says:  >Hi, I have a trident TVGA-8900 video card and need the updated >drivers for Win3.1 where can I get them from an ftp site.   I have the same card, TVGA-8900c. When I checked, the latest driver for windows 3.1 is dated Aug. 92 in garbo.uwasa.fi in /win31/drivers/video. If you find a better version (updated) please let me know, Thanks.   -Azmi <axh113@psuvm.psu.edu>
From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes) Subject: Keyboards, Drives, Radios for sale! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu   Hello.  I have these items for sale.  Terms are UPS COD or prepayment by money order.  2 101 keyboards for IBM compatibles  1 Mitsumi 1.2 MB 5 1/4 floppy disk drive  1 Sony SRF-M30 digital AM/FM Stereo Walkman  The drive cost me $65, the keyboards were $40 each, and the Sony  radio cost $45.  I will sell for the best offers.  Thank You. --         / /     Buchanan in `96!       / /      Fear the goverment that fears your guns.   \ \/ /       Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou    \/ /        r freedoms.           aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu
From: apanjabi@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Subject: Re: How to beat Pittsburgh! Summary: Take out player Distribution: world Organization: Georgetown University Lines: 42  In article <AfnKOVK00UhB01RDtJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, Robert Angelo Pleshar <rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > 	<kfnJYea00Uh_I1VmUs@andrew.cmu.edu> > NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu > In-Reply-To: <kfnJYea00Uh_I1VmUs@andrew.cmu.edu> >  > from Anna Matyas: >>>Now if we could just clone Chelios's personality and transplant it >>>into all of the defensemen on the Islanders, Capitals, and Devils... >>>  >>>Gerald >>  >>In other words, you want to turn them all into assholes so they >>will spend lots of time in the penalty box and get lots of >>misconducts? >>  >>And this comes from a Chelios fan... >  > Yeah, and also be second in the team in scoring and play about 35 > minutes a game and play on the power play and kill penalties and be the > best defenseman in the league. I'd take a whole team of Chelioses if I > could. (That way, when one got a penalty the others could kill it!) >  > Ralph  >HOW TO BEAT PITTSBURGH???  	I.Mario Lemieux 		A.Death 			1.Too much Kimo 			2.Slash to skull 			3.Ask the Rangers (Slashing his wrist????) 	II.Jaromir Jagr 		A.Deportation 			1.Send him back to whatever Commie country  			  he's from 			2.Tell him that Bill Clinton is going too 	III.Kevin Stevens 		A.Fighting 			1.Call Bob Probert 			2.Call Tie Domi 			3.Call my grandmother (She'd kick his ass)  
From: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale) Subject: arthritis and diabetes Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 37 Reply-To: bf455@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bonita Kale) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu     I have osteoarthritis, and my huband has just been diagnosed with diabetes (type II, I guess--no insulin).    I've been trying to read up on these two conditions, and what really surprises me is how few experiments have been done and how little is known.  Losing weight appears to be imperative for diabetes and advisable for arthritis (at least, for -women- with arthritis), but, of course, the very conditions that make weight loss advisable are part of the reason for the weight gain.   For myself, I'm almost afraid to lose weight, because no matter how gentle and sensible a diet I use (the last one was 1800-2000 calories, in about eight small meals), the weight won't go off gradually and stay off.  Instead, it drops off precipitously, and then comes back on with much interest, like bread on the waters.   With this experience, it's hard to be encouraging to my husband.  All I can suggest is to make it as gradual as possible.  Meanwhile, some experts recommend no sugar, others, no fat, others, just a balanced diet.  It's almost impossible to tell from their writings -which- parts of their recommendations are supposed to help the condition, and which are merely ideas the expert thinks are nifty.  Is it my imagination, or are these very old conditions very poorly understood?  Is it just that I'm used to pediatrician-talk ("It's strep; give him this and he'll get well.") and so my expectations are too high?    Bonita Kale  
From: frankh@scraps.uucp (Frank Holden KA3UWW) Subject: Re: What's a good IC for RS232 -> TTL signals?? Organization: None Lines: 34  In <C57zsC.9FL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) writes:    >I'm looking for an IC that will convert RS232 voltage levels to TTL voltage  >levels.  Something relatively inexpensive would be nice, too.  Anyone have >a suggestion??  Thanks.   Well it looks as if Digi-Key sells a chip with the number ICL232 that does what you want.  They are selling it for about $3.50...  Hope this helps... Frank  --   ************************************************************************** * Customer asked "What's that thing?".                                   * * I answered chuckling "Well, it's a highly technical, sensitive         * * instrument I use in computer repair! Being a layman, you probably      * * cann't grasp exactly what it does. I call it a B.F.H.....              * * Frank W. Holden - KA3UWW - "The Radio Doctor"                          * * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  * * SnailMail:                        | Inter-Net:                         * * 685 Addison St.                   | frankh@scraps.pittsburgh.sgi.com   * * Washington, Pa. 15301-5601        | Packet:ka3uww@n3idi.#wpa.pa.usa.na * ************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:<disclaimer.h> - I confess, you did it!!! --   ************************************************************************** * Customer asked "What's that thing?".                                   * * I answered chuckling "Well, it's a highly technical, sensitive         *
From: bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Uwe Bonnes) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: LTE, University of Erlangen, Germany Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: aladin.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 15   In article <1993Apr21.141824.23536@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>, jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) asked: |>  |> Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used |> to compute sunrise and sunset times. |>  |> I would appreciate any advice. |>  |> Joe Wetstein |> jpw@coe.drexel.edu  To compute this, and many other astronomical things, go and get (x)ephem written by Elwood C. Downey. It is e.g. on export.lcs.mit.edu  Uwe Bonnes  bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de
From: gs26@prism.gatech.EDU (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Reply-To: glenns@eas.gatech.edu Distribution: git Organization: The Group W Bench Lines: 36  In <C5sv4r.HFA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:  [and quotes a lot of stuff unnecessarily] >In article <93869@hydra.gatech.EDU> glenns@eas.gatech.edu writes: >> >> [worth posting again ;-] >>Hey, gang, it's not about duck hunting, or about dark alleys, >>it's about black-clad, helmeted and booted troops storming >>houses and violating civil rights under color of law.  >> >>Are YOU ready to defend YOUR Constitution?  >Its also about crazy fatigue clad survivalist types blasting the  >snot out of people who accidentally stray onto his land in the >name of 'self defense.'  >Don't get too self-righteous, Mr. gun-toter.  Ain't got a pair of fatigues... and I don't blast people wandering aimlessly, I ask them what they're doing there... I only blast people who display obvious violent intent... like black-clad men with weapons climbing thru second-story windows, or people who break down the door instead of knocking. Or people who knock my house down with tanks and set it afire.  Sound  familiar yet?  Riddle me this: Why the hell are the CONVICTED CRIMINALS in Ohio getting the kid glove treatment, and the BD's are burned alive without a trial? Put aside who started the blaze, I still think any decent shyster can  make a case for cruel and unusual punishment, playing the sounds of tortured rabbits over the loudspeakers (where's the SPCA in all this?)...  Oh, and that's Mister gun-toter SIR to you, bucko.  Just because you choose to abandon your rights, leave mine the hell alone, thankyouverymuch.  Glenn R. Stone (glenns@eas.gatech.edu) Impeach Clinton, Reno -- the case is prima facie.
From: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers) Subject: Hockey on TV in the Bay area, NOT! Reply-To: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers) Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center Lines: 9  Hi all,  I don't get the sport's channel and I'm desparate for some playoff action (especially the Cannucks).  Does anyone know of a sports bar on the Bay Peninsula that will be showing hockey games.  I'm looking for something  between redwood City and Mountain View.  Thanks a lot, Greg
From: jwg0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN WALTER GEWARTOWSKI) Subject: LAST CHANCE -->  20 Playboy Magazines Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 54  My roommate left me his Playboy collection which he no longer wants, so I'm offering them to the general public.  (THAT'S YOU!)      MAKE AN OFFER FOR THE *ENTIRE COLLECTION*      ** The Current Best Offer is $40 + shipping **      I will accept the best offer.     (Offer does *NOT* include cheapest method of shipping from Bethlehem, PA)  1992:     February    (Supermodel Rachel Williams, World Tour, & POM Tanya Beyer)  1991:     May         (Shannon & Tracy Tweed & POM Carrie Jean Yazel)     July        (Tall girls, Miss Bulgaria, & POM Wendy Kaye)     September   (Barbi twins & POM Samantha Dorman)     November    (La Toya Jackson & POM Tonja Marie Christensen)     December    (Dian Parkinson from "The Price is Right" & POM Wendy Hamilton)  1990:     July        (Sharon Stone, Marilyn look-alike, & POM Jacqueline Sheen)     October     (Girls of the Big West, Gladiator Marisa Pare, & POM Brittany                  York)     November    (Teri Copley from "We Got It Made", Sex in Cinema, & POM                  Lorraine Olivia, stewardess)  1989:     January     (35th Anniversary Issue - Collector's Edition)     February    (Year in Sex, Rio's Grand, & POM Simone Eden)     March       (La Toya Jackson & POM Laurie Wood)     August      (Women of Wall St., Diana Lee from "License to Kill", & POM                  Gianna Amore)     November    (Donna Mills, Sex in Cinema '89, & POM Renee Tenison)  1988:     August      (Sunshine Girls & POM Helle Michaelsen)     October     (Girls of the Southwest Conference & POM Shannon Long)     November    (Women of Washington, Sex in Cinema '88, & POM Pia Reyes)     December    (Playmate Review, Sex Stars of '88, Lysette Anthony, & POM                  Kata Karkkainen)  1987:     November    (Jessica Hahn, Sex in Cinema '87, & POM Pam Stein)  Also:  *** Special Edition:  "Playboy Presents:  100 Beautiful Women" *** --                                              ____________________________   BSME/MBA looking for a job....hiring?   /                            | *----------------------------------------*   E-mail:  jwg0@Lehigh.edu  | | Take a walk on the Wild side...Biffman     Lehigh University    /o)\ | *----------------------------------------*   Bethlehem, PA  USA   \(o/ |      J o H n G e W a R t O w S k I        \____________________________|
From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler) Subject: Re: SSPX schism ? Organization: none Lines: 52  Bob Van Cleef writes:     If the Papacy is infallible, and this is a matter of faith, then the     Pope cannot "be wrong!"  If, on the other hand, this is not a matter     of faith, but a matter of Church law, then we should still obey as the    Pope is the legal head of the church.     In other words, given the doctrine of infallibility, we have no choice    but to obey.  This is a primary problem in the Church today.  What you are saying is more or less heresy.  You might call it "infallibilism".  It's the idea that the Pope is always right in everything he says or does. This is virtually all over the place, especially in this country.  The Pope is only infallible under certain very specific and well-defined conditions.  When these conditions are not met, he can make mistakes.  He can make *big* mistakes.  A couple historical examples come to mind.  Bishop Robert Grosseteste was perhaps the greatest product of the English Catholic Church.  At one point during his career, the reigning Pope decided to install one of his nephews in an English see.  Bishop Grosseteste said that this would happen over his dead body (though maybe not in so many words; you have to treat Popes with respect, even when they are wrong).  The problem was that this nephew would just collect the income of the see, and probably never set foot there. This would deprive the people of the see of a shepherd.  Bishop Grosseteste was quite right in what he did!  Another example is that of Pope John XXII, a Pope of the Middle Ages. He decided that souls that were saved did not enjoy the Beatific Vision until the Last Judgement.  He decided that this should be a defined doctrine of the Church.  Though he didn't quite get around to defining it.  Now there's no way this is compatible with Catholic doctrine.  The Pope's doctrine was criticised by many in the Church. He went so far as to put a number of his opponents in jail, even.  In the end, he had to admit his mistake.  Shortly before he died, he recanted.  His successor made the exact *opposite* idea a dogma of the Church.  If you consult any of the great Catholic theologians who treat of such subjects, such as St. Robert Bellarmine (a Doctor of the Church), you will find detailed discussions of whether the Pope can personally fall into heresy or schism.  The teaching of all such theologians is that the commands of a Pope must be resisted if they are to the detriment of the Catholic Faith. A Pope's authority is given for the purpose of building up the Catholic Church.  Commands in conflict with this purpose have no legal *or* moral force.
From: msunde01@mik.uky.edu (Mark  Underwood) Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... Article-I.D.: ms.C5wn05.E4o Reply-To: msunde01@mik.uky.edu Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 27 Nntp-Posting-Host: nx34.mik.uky.edu  In article <1993Apr21.025500.8804@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>   patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com (patterson,george r) writes: > In article <1993Apr20.232804.24632@mprgate.mpr.ca>   vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) writes: > >kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes: > > > >>My car, unfortunately, has so much computer junk under the hood that   it's > >>astonishingly sensitive to RFI.   > > > >Hmmmmm... this has possibilities: > >If the police are in pursuit of a vehicle, maybe they can bombard it   with > >high energy RFI.  :-) >  > Right. So all the cops will be buying antique muscle cars for chase   cars; > otherwise the *police* cars will die too!  I wonder if you could focus the RFI "gun" so the cops wouldn't have this   problem???  Mark S. Underwood EE Student, University of Kentucky Lab Assistant, Boyd Hall Microlab  	(a tiny little division of UK Library Microlabs) E-Mail:  msunde01@mik.uky.edu
From: sdoran@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steven D Marcotte) Subject: Data corruption Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu   I quit windows normally to run a special DOS app, got done with it and tried to start windows.  Ok got the title screen, Windows background, DOS with an error about loading PROGMAN.EXE.  Hum, yep PROGMAN.EXE is still there.  Must be bad, ok pull off PROGMAN.EXE from a backup tape, start windows, get the windows title screen, windows background, DOS with the same error.  HUM!  Fire up the good ol' Norton Disk Doctor, test, 500 lost clusters!  Ok, fix them, and look through them, doesn't look important.  Remove the Windows directory, and reinstall from disks.  Fire up windows, title screen, background, Program Manager, Success!    I have a 486/50 (Amy) with 4 meg of RAM, 120 meg HD, SVGA, running under DOS 5.0, no special memory managers or stuff, just the basic Windows 3.1 A 12 meg permanent swap file using 32-bit Access.  I mainly use Windows to run more that one DOS app at a time.  (ie downloading with Qmodem with a DOS window open, and possibly POV running in the background.)    I've noticed that since I started using Windows a few months ago, lost clusters have gotten more and more common.  Although I don't like having data just disappear, it really haven't been a problem except for today.  Has anyone else had any problems with lost clusters while running windows?  And what could I do to fix the problem, I'd sleep better knowing Amy wasn't loosing her marbles. :)  Steven -- Steven Marcotte			sdoran@matt.ksu.ksu.edu   
From: sdbsd5@cislabs.pitt.edu (Stephen D Brener) Subject: Japanese for Scientists and Engineers Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 101       INTENSIVE JAPANESE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH THIS SUMMER     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   The University of Pittsburgh is offering two intensive Japanese language courses this summer.  Both courses, Intensive Elementary Japanese and  Intensive Intermediate Japanese, are ten week, ten credit courses  each equivalent to one full year of Japanese language study.  They begin  June 7 and end August 13.  The courses meet five days per week, five hours  per day.  There is a flat rate tuition charge of $1600 per course.   Fellowships available for science and engineering students.  Contact  Steven Brener, Program Manager of the Japanese Science and Technology Management Program, at the University of Pittsburgh at the number or address below.   ALL INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS ARE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY, THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO  UNIVERSITY STUDENTS.        ####################################################################### #################   New Program Announcement   ######################## #######################################################################               JAPANESE SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM  The Japanese Science and Technology Management Program (JSTMP) is a new program jointly developed by the University of Pittsbugh and Carnegie Mellon  University.  Students and professionals in the engineering and scientific  communitites are encouraged to apply for classes commencing in June 1993 and  January 1994.   PROGRAM OBJECTIVES The program intends to promote technology transfer between Japan and the  United States.  It is also designed to let scientists, engineers, and managers experience how the Japanese proceed with technological development.  This is  facilitated by extended internships in Japanese research facilities and laboratories that provide participants with the opportunity to develop long-term professional relationships with their Japanese counterparts.   PROGRAM DESIGN To fulfill the objectives of the program, participants will be required to  develop advanced language capability and a deep understanding of Japan and its culture.  Correspondingly, JSTMP consists of three major components:  1. TRAINING IN THE JAPANESE LANGUAGE Several Japanese language courses will be offered, including intensive courses designed to expedite language preparation for scientists and engineers in a relatively short time.  2. EDUCATION IN JAPANESE BUSINESS AND SOCIAL CULTURE A particular enphasis is placed on attaining a deep understanding of the cultural and educational basis of Japanese management approaches in  manufacturing and information technology.  Courses will be available in a  variety of departments throughout both universities including Anthropology, Sociology, History, and Political Science.  Moreover, seminars and colloquiums will be conducted.  Further, a field trip to Japanese manufacturing or  research facilities in the United States will be scheduled.   3. AN INTERNSHIP OR A STUDY MISSION IN JAPAN Upon completion of their language and cultural training at PITT and CMU,  participants will have the opportunity to go to Japan and observe, and participate in the management of technology.  Internships in Japan will generally run for one year; however, shorter ones are possible.   FELLOWSHIPS COVERING TUITION FOR LANGUAGE AND CULTURE COURSES, AS WELL AS STIPENDS FOR LIVING EXPENSES ARE AVAILABLE.          FOR MORE INFORMATION AND APPLICATION MATERIALS CONTACT  STEVEN BRENER				SUSIE BROWN JSTMP					Carnegie Mellon University, GSIA University of Pittsburgh		Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 4E25 Forbes Quadrangle			Telephone: (412) 268-7806 Pittsburgh, PA 15260			FAX:	   (412) 268-8163 Telephone: (412) 648-7414		 FAX:       (412) 648-2199		  ############################################################################ ############################################################################    Interested individuals, companies and institutions should respond by phone or mail.  Please do not inquire via e-mail. Please note that this is directed at grads and professionals, however, advanced undergrads will be considered.  Further, funding is resticted to US citizens and permanent residents of the US.  Steve Brener     
From: gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg  Ballentine) Subject: Re: Winnipeg vs. Vancouver Nntp-Posting-Host: vancouver.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 24   In article G2o@ccu.umanitoba.ca, umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:  >Oh yeah...and I CAN go to the Arena and see not one, not two, but >*six* championship banners hanging from the rafters.  3 Stanley Cup >banners, and 3 Avco Cup banners.  My NHL guide says that Vancouver has >won the Cup once (as many times as the rockin' town of Kenora has won it!)  Don't let this confuse anybody.  The Winnipeg Jets have never won the Stanley Cup (or even come that close).  These Stanley Cup championships go back a LONG way to about the turn of the century.  The Winnipeg Victorias won one or more of these Cups- the Jets didn't win any of them.  Can you think of anything more irrelevant to argue about a playoff series going on today than who won more Stanley Cups around the turn of the century??  Lets face facts.  The Canucks are leading the series 3-1.  The Canucks dominated the Jets in their season series.  The Canucks did better in the regular season than Winnipeg.  Who is the better team?  I think that the facts show that Vancouver is better than Winnipeg.  Gregmeister
From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 50 Distribution: world Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com  In article 5276@unisql.UUCP, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: >In article <C5r43y.F0D@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) writes: >>I guess I wasn't clear enough here. I said the roads WERE designed for  >>speeds of 80 or so and still be safe. The current 55-65 will add a saftey >>margin. > >	They were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 - I forget the >exact spec - but for military vehicles.  That's 80 in a 1958 Dodge  >Powerwagon.  Not 80 in a 1993 Ford Taurus. > > > >   Ah yes, the 58 Powerwagon. Now there was a vehicle that today's cars can't touch in terms of high speed road holding ability! :-)                                 
From: rob@msc.cornell.edu Subject: Used CDs for sale Originator: rob@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu Organization: who, me? Lines: 10  Nova Mob |Last Days of Pompeii|$8 ppd. Overwhelming Colorfast |Overwhelming Colorfast|$8 ppd. Teenage Fanclub |Bandwagonesque|$9 ppd. Tin Machine |Tin Machine II|$9 ppd. Various |Teriyaki Asthma I-V Comp.|$9.50 ppd.  Rob  -- rob@msc.cornell.edu
From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: Re: Best Radar Detector - VALENTINE-1? Organization: skulls 'r us Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu   re: extended Ka bands.  I recently bought a 2 band detector.  You guys must all think I'm nuts, right?  Well, I did a little research into Ka usage in this area and found out that Ka is not currently being used in this state as well as surrounding states.  Here's how I found out:  - A cop friend who did spend time nailing speeders doesn't even know    what Ka is.  He's heard of K, which is what they use here and I   explained that Ka is used for photo radar etc.. He then said, yeah,   "Ka stands for K automatic"... duuhh.  He then went on to say that   plans were being made for getting laser guns as far as going high   tech were concerned, but he didn't know too much.  - My 8 year old 2 band whistler was consistently going off at speed traps,   even the real sneaky ones.  - When I called the Escort Shop, they confirmed that Ka is not used here   or in surrounding states.  They did claim that Laser was being used   a lot here, which I was quite skeptical of.  So in the end, instead of spending a lot of money and/or waiting months for a state of the art detector, I got a low priced, high performance 2 band Escort 2200.  Incidentally its performance is equal to their top of the line model in X and K band detection.  I know that Escort has been surpassed by other brands lately, but I've never fully relied on a detector and I was convinced that the Escorts would be at least quite good, which was good enough for me and my wallet.   eliot
From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) Subject: Re: news says BATF indictment/warrant unsealed... Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 26   |QUESTION: |What will Californians do with all those guns after the Reginald |denny trial?  The Wall Street Journal had an article on how the police were whining about all the new guns; excuse me, but police are EMPLOYEES of the government. Rather like having your janitor complain about job conditions.  I say Californians should form armed block clubs that would engage in coordinated strategies should BATF attempt to disarm them based on the "nefarious tipster" theory of law enforcement. Unlike Waco,  Californians should be able to destroy armored vehicles in city streets with incendiary weapons, acetylene after slowing them down with abandoned car blockades. M-1 Garands should easily outclass BATF shock troops with their H&K MP-5 SMGs, and there should be enough Sony Walkmans and Boom Boxes to overwhelm any FBI psy-war operation... yes, a good time would be had by all. Billary Clinton would get what he wanted, a War on Gunowners, the BATF would attempt to show the anti-gun press they they really, REALLY were in charge with a 500-man "Charge of the Light Brigade," and the FBI would attempt  to show how _THEY_ really were in charge by asking the Californian  National Guard to level the area with artillary!  :-) :-) :-)
From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge) Subject: Re: cholistasis(sp?)/fat-free diet/pregnancy!! Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 85  aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge) writes:  I decided to come back and amend this so it quotes me and has added comments...  >heart@access.digex.com (G) writes:  >>Hi,  >>it started to hurt when I lay on my right side, and then it hurt   >>no matter what position I was in.  Next, I noticed that when I  >>ate greasy or fatty foods I felt like my entire abdomen had  >>turned to stone, and the pain in the area got worse.  However if  >>I ate sauerkraut or vinegar or something to 'cut' the fat it  >>wasn't as much of a problem.  >>So the doctor says I have cholistatis, and that I should avoid  >>fatty foods.  This makes sense, and because I was already aware  >>of what seemed to me this cause and effect relationship I have  >>been avoiding these foods on my own.  But I'm still able to eat  >>foods with Ricotta cheese for instance and other low fat foods.    >>But doc wants me to be on a non-fat diet.  This means no meat  >>except fish and chicken w/o skin (I do this anyway).  No nuts,  >>fried food, cheese etc.  I am allowed skim milk.  She said I  >>should avoid anything sweet (e.g. bananas).  Also I must only  >>have one serving of something high in carbohydrates a day (  >>potatoes, pasta, rice)!  She said I can't even cook vegetables in  >>a little bit of oil and that I should eat vegetables raw or  >>steamed.  I'm concerned because I understand you need to have  >>some fat in your diet to help in the digestive process.  And if   >>G  >For one week, she probably wants to see how you react to the diet. If it >changes anything.   >You can live on the diet but you need to up your non-fat calories. Where before you had a pat of butter, now you need a medium apple (probably microwave >cooked).  Smaller meals but more of them. Not terrific amounts of meat, it's >hard to digest anyway. First, even fish, fowl and breads have fat. Second, the body will make fat out of carbohydrates if it needs them. Third, your body, like most peoples, wasn't bred to live on a high fat, modern diet. If you read texts about ancient and primative people you will read about the luxury of eating fat, how people enjoyed it. This was because it was so rare. Even cows didn't put out nearly the amount of butterfat in milk that they do now.    >For comfort and to make the carbohydrate meal "last" longer eat pasta or >rice which give their calories up slowly rather than bread or corn. Maybe >smaller meals as you may be getting less room in the stomach area. Is the >baby still coming up. Is it starting to push or rub under your ribs? How >tight are your clothes. You shouldn't be wearing any clothing that compresses  >your middle. Be sure not to "suck in" your stomach when sitting, again it >will put pressure on the digestive tract.   >Try laying on your sides, back, >and stay in reclining positions for the many hours you are being inactive. >Easier on your legs (circulation) as well. You might try letting the baby >"turn" or at least not be forced under the ribs during the last months. >When you are shortwaisted it's easy for that baby to end up right under the >diaphram, especially if you have tight abdominal muscles. If I had my >second one to do over again I think I'd have tried to loosen up since he >didn't turn sideways until late and the relief was enormous.   >Maybe this doctor does have a thing about weight gain in pregnancy or maybe >she just nags all her patients this way. Especially if she's young.   >But this gallbladder/whatever problem that might be coming up is something >to be avoided if possible. You don't want to become ill with it while you are pregnant. If you are lucky you can work on getting rid of it after the baby. (It is said that doctors have less gallbadder surgery than the rest of the population, a good part of it is that they are willing to do the dieting, etc that helps them avoid surgery. Also, I don't think the surgery lets a person go back to eating a high fat diet. )   >Nausea, etc. can vary from person to person and with each pregnancy. My >first pregnancy was miserable. During the second I had very little trouble. >Some articles have said that women with nausea had a statistically better >chance of carrying their baby. (grain of salt here)   >Good luck  >-Jackie- 
From: mam@mouse.cmhnet.org (Mike McAngus) Subject: Re: Christian Morality is Organization: The cat is on the mat  X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 36  On 20 Apr 93 13:38:34 GMT dps@nasa.kodak.com (Dan Schaertel,,,) wrote: >In article 11853@vice.ICO.TEK.COM, bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: >|> >|>  Yet I am still not a believer.  Is god not concerned with my >|>  disposition?  Why is it beneath him to provide me with the >|>  evidence I would require to believe?  The evidence that my >|>  personality, given to me by this god, would find compelling?  >The fact is God could cause you to believe anything He wants you to.  >But think about it for a minute.  Would you rather have someone love >you because you made them love you, or because they wanted to >love you.     The responsibility is on you to love God and take a step toward >Him.  He promises to be there for you, but you have to look for yourself. >Those who doubt this or dispute it have not givin it a sincere effort.  I and many others on a.a have described how we have tried to find god. Are you saying our efforts have not been sincere?  For all the effort I have put in, there has been no outward nor inward change that I can perceive.  What's a sincerely searching Agnostic or Atheist supposed to do when even the search turns up nothing?  >Simple logic arguments are folly.  If you read the Bible you will see >that Jesus made fools of those who tried to trick him with "logic". >Our ability to reason is just a spec of creation.  Yet some think it is >the ultimate.  If you rely simply on your reason then you will never >know more than you do now.   To learn you must accept that which >you don't know.  How do you "accept that which you don't know"?  Do you mean that I must believe in your god in order to believe in your god?  -- Mike McAngus         | The Truth is still the Truth mam@mouse.cmhnet.org | Even if you choose to ignore it.                      | (Some of the old .sig viruses are still the best)
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) Subject: Options that would be great to have... Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta Lines: 26     A list of options that would be useful. They can be existing options on a car, or things you'd like to have...  1) Tripmeter, great little gadget. Lets you keep rough track of    mileage, makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge...  2) Full size spare  3) Built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors.  4) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment and cabin.  Feel free to add on...  Regards, Charles x --  Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd. --Unknown net.person
From:  () Subject: Re: BATF & FBI Do Right Thing in Waco Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT. Lines: 3  Ditto. Great post.  joe.kusmierczak@mail.trincoll.edu
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) Subject: Calder Cup Playoff schedule Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 61 Nntp-Posting-Host: craft.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]  FULL 1993 CALDER CUP PLAYOFF SCHEDULE AND RESULTS	 home team in CAPS		*=if necesary  FIRST ROUND					 Springfield Indians vs Providence Bruins Gm 1:	Springfield 3	PROVIDENCE 2	 Gm 2:	Springfield 5	PROVIDENCE 4 Gm 3:	Providence 3	SPRINGFIELD 2 Gm 4:	Providence 9	SPRINGFIELD 0		 Gm 5:	Springfield 4	PROVIDENCE 2 Gm 6:	SPRINGFIELD 4	Providence 3 (SPRINGFIELD WINS SERIES, 4-2)  CD Islanders vs Adirondack Red Wings Gm 1:	ADIRONDACK 6	CDI 2 Gm 2:	ADIRONDACK 5	CDI 3 Gm 3:	Adirondack 3	CDI 0 Gm 4:	Adirondack 3	CDI 1 (ADIRONDACK WINS SERIES, 4-0)  Baltimore Skipjacks at Binghamton Rangers Gm 1:	Baltimore 4	BINGHAMTON 3	 Gm 2:	BINGHAMTON 6	Baltimore 2 Gm 3:	Binghamton 8	BALTIMORE 3 Gm 4:	BALTIMORE 3	Binghamton 1	 Gm 5:	4/26	Baltimore at Binghamton	 Gm 6:	4/28	Binghmaton at Baltimore	 Gm 7:	4/30	Baltimore at Binghamton	* 		 Utica Devils vs Rochester Americans Gm 1:	Utica 3		ROCHESTER 2	(OT) Gm 2:	ROCHESTER 9	Utica 3 Gm 3:	Rochester 6	UTICA 4 Gm 4:	Rochester 4	UTICA 3		(OT) Gm 5:	ROCHESTER 3	Utica 2 (ROCHESTER WINS SERIES, 4-1)  Moncton Hawks vs St John's Maple Leafs Gm 1:	St JOHN'S 4	Moncton 2	(at Halifax) Gm 2:	ST JOHN'S 3	Moncton 2	(at Halifax) Gm 3:	St John's 6	MONCTON 5 Gm 4:	MONCTON 5	St John's 4	(OT) Gm 5:	4/26	Moncton vs St John's at Halifax	 Gm 6:	4/28	St John's at Moncton		* Gm 7:	4/30	Moncton vs St John's at Halifax	*  Cape Breton Oilers vs Fredericton Canadiens Gm 1:	FREDERICTON 4	Cape Breton 3	(2OT) Gm 2:	Cape Breton 5	FREDERICTON 2 Gm 3:	CAPE BRETON 3	Fredericton 0	 Gm 4:	CAPE BRETON 6	Fredericton 5 	(OT) Gm 5:	Cape Breton won      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++     + Bri Farenell			farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu   +     + AHL, ECAC and Boston Bruins contact for rec.sport.hockey		   +     + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81  '86  '89  '92	   +     + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66  '91  '93		   +     + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90  '91       +     + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu +     ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: samuell@cis.uab.edu ('s) Subject: WINHELP.EXE virus? Organization: CIS, Univ of Alabama at Birmingham Lines: 15   Is anyone familiar with a virus that infects the WINHELP.EXE file?  I have recently noticed some unusual system behavior and ran Norton AntiVirus for WINDOWS.  It indicated a possible unknown virus in the WINHELP.EXE file in both the MWINDOWS and WINOS2 directories.  Neither file changed since I installed my OS/2 system in January as far as I know.  Any information about this possible virus and suggestions on remedies would be greatly appreciated.   Bobb Samuell samuell@cis.uab.edu
From: KCSCHIE@vm.cmp.ilstu.edu Subject: WANTED: Playboy campus girls issues Organization: Illinois State University Lines: 5  I'm looking to buy the annual Playboy magazine  issue featuring girls from colleges around the US. Specificly, I want issues from 1989, 1990, 1991 and 1992. One of these features a girl I went to high school with, so I'm curious to see how it turned out. All help is appreciated.
From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg  Ballentine) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 23   In article 9088@blue.cis.pitt.edu, jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) writes:  >Jagr has a higher +/-, but Francis has had more points.  And take it from >an informed observer, Ronnie Francis has had a *much* better season than >Jaromir Jagr.  This is not to take anything away from Jaro, who had a  >decent year (although it didn't live up to the expectations of some).  Bowman tended to overplay Francis at times because he is a Bowman-style player.  He plays hard at all times, doesn't disregard his defensive responsibilities and is a good leader.  Bowman rewarded him be increasing his ice time.  Jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a "me first" attitude. This rubbed Bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time.  Throughout the year, Francis consistently recieved more ice time than Jagr.  Althouhg I have never seen stats on this subject, I am pretty sure that Jagr had more points per minute played that Francis.  When you add to that Jagr's better +/- rating, I think it becomes evident that Jagr had a better season- not that Francis had a bad one.  Gregmeister
From: will@futon.webo.dg.com (Will Taber) Subject: [soc.religion.christian] Re: The arrogance of Christians Lines: 50  In a previous message  aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes:  >If I don't think my belief is right and everyone else's belief is wrong, >then I don't have a belief. This is simply what belief means.   [More stuff deleted]  This seems to be a pretty arogant definition of belief.  My beliefs are those things which I find to be true based on my experience of the world.  This experience includes study of things that I may not have experienced directly.  But even then, I can only understand the studies to the extent to which I can relate what I study back to what I have experienced.  Which means that by beliefs about God are directly related to my experience of God.  Having experienced God, I try to make sense of that experience.  I study religion and read the Bible.  I find things that echo what I have already experienced.  Out of this I build my beliefs.  I also find things that don't match my experience.  That doesn't make them false.  They just don't match my experience.  Maybe I will understand that stuff later.  I don't know.  Maybe all of my beliefs are wrong.  I can change my beliefs.  If someone else has beliefs that are different from mine, so what. Neither of us are necessarily wrong.  Someone else is making sense out of a different set of experiences.  Even though we have different explanations and beliefs, if we talk we might even discover that the underlying experiences are similar.  Some people approach religion as a truth that can only exist in one form, and usually has a single revelation.  The more dogmatic and inflexible the belief system, the more arrogant it will appear to an outsider.  There is another approach possible, however.  God is a mystery.  I am trying to solve the mystery, so I look at the evidence available to me.  I try to arrive at the best understanding that I can based on the evidence.  New evidence may cause me to change my understanding.  When I encounter someone with a different belief than my own, it isn't a threat, it is an opportunity to perhaps discover something new about this mystery I can never fully comprehend.  Peace Will Taber ----------------------------------------------------------------------------  | William Taber         | Will_Taber@dg.com 	  | Any opinions expressed | | Data General Corp.    | will@futon.webo.dg.com  | are mine alone and may | | Westboro, Mass. 01580 |                         | change without notice. | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------- | When all your dreams are laid to rest, you can get what's second best,   | |	But it's hard to get enough.		David Wilcox               | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: gtoye@pssparc2.mitek.com (Gene Toye) Subject: Re: workaround for Citizen drivers Keywords: printer driver Citizen PN48 GSX-140 Organization: OpenConnect Systems, Dallas, TX Lines: 8  For Windows 3.1, I have had the best luck using the Epson LQ-2550 drivers with my Citizen GXS-140+.  Be sure to download the updated version from Microsoft that allows margin settings. --  Gene Toye, Senior Software Engineer                   gtoye@pssparc2.oc.com OpenConnect Systems, 2711 LBJ Freeway, Dallas, TX 75234 214/888-0454 DISCLAIMER: My employer had no idea I was going to say that.
From: marshalk@mercury.Berkeley.EDU (Kevin Marshall) Subject: Re: Grey Scale while in windows? Organization: Motorola Ltd., European Cellular Infrastructure Division Lines: 6 Distribution: world Reply-To: marshalk@mercury.Berkeley.EDU (Kevin Marshall) NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.swindon.rtsg.mot.com    +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+  | Kevin Marshall, Operational Support, Motorola ECID, Swindon, UK.           |  | E-mail   : marshalk@zeus                                                   |  | Phone    : +44 793 545127 (International)    (0793) 545127 (Domestic)      |  +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: certainty of canonizations Lines: 20  On Friday 7 May 1993, Marty Helgesen wrote:   > Public revelation, which is the basis of Catholic doctrine, ended  > with the death of St John, the last Apostle. Nothing new can be  > added.  Every so often, the Pope declares that some departed Christian is now in Heaven, and may be invoked in the public rites of the Church. It is my understanding that Roman Catholics believe that such declarations by the Pope are infallible. I see three possibilities:      1) The Church has received a Public Revelation since the death of (for example) Joan of Arc.      2) The Church was given a list before the death of St John which had Joan's name on it.      3) There is no public revelation about Joan, and Roman Catholics are free to doubt that she died in a state of grace, or even that she is a historical character.   Yours,  James Kiefer
From: zed@Dartmouth.EDU (Ted Schuerzinger) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b16@dartmouth.edu Organization: WDCR/WFRD, Hanover, NH Lines: 49  In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes:  > I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, > but here goes: >  > Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT >  >                     MURDER  MOST  FOUL!! >  > CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all > the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The > lies from ATF say "holes were made in the walls and 'non-lethal' tear > gas pumped in". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up. > ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that > the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit > napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. >  > THIS IS MURDER! >  > ATF MURDERERS!  BUTCHERS!! >  > THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! >  > I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see > it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was > still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left > alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. >  > I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO  SURVIVORS**! >  > God help us all. >  >  > PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE CHILDREN! >  >  > W. K. Gorman - an American in tears.  The latest news I saw was that two of the eight known survivors (not NO SURVIVORS!!! as you so rudely put in all caps) said they started the fire.  I won't go on with the things the wacko of Waco did.   --Ted Schuerzinger zed@Dartmouth.EDU This is not the secret message.
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: Abyss-breathing fluids Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Distribution: usa Lines: 18  In <1993Apr29.192623.11760@cc.ic.ac.uk> atae@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Ata Etemadi) writes:  >"The Forever War", one of my favorite SciFi books, had a passage devoted to  >breathing fluids. The idea was to protect people from the high accelerations  >required for interstellar travel by emersing the passengers in dry-cleaning  >fluid saturated with oxygen. Plenty of very imaginative ideas is this book. >I would certainly recommend it (won the Hugo and the Nebula awards).  And most definitely read it in conjunction with Heinlein's _Starship Trooper_.  The two books are radically different viewpoints of the same basic premises.  I've even heard tell of English classes built around this.  --  "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live  in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: tuberculosis Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 26  In article <1993Mar29.181406.11915@iscsvax.uni.edu> klier@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:  > >Multiple drug resistance in TB is a relatively new phenomenon, and >one of the largest contributing factors is that people are no longer >as scared of TB as they were before antibiotics.  (It was roughly as >feared as HIV is now...) >  Not that new.  20 years ago, we had drug addicts harboring active TB that was resistant to everything (in Chicago).  The difference now is that such strains have become virulent.  In the old days, such TB was weak.  It didn't spread to other people very easily and just infected the one person in whom it developed (because of non-compliance with medications).  Non-compliance and development of resistant strains has been a problem for a very long time.  That is why we have like 9 drugs against TB.  There is always a need to develop new ones due to such strains.  Now, however, with a virulent resistant strain, we are in more trouble, and measures to assure compliance may be necessary even if they entail force.  --  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: kuty@bourne.ctron (Paul G. Kuty) Subject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 14 Distribution: world Reply-To: kuty@bourne.ctron NNTP-Posting-Host: bourne.ctron.com   In article s90@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu, vromanel@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Vincent A Romanelli) writes: >I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 ISA graphics accelerator card (based >upon a positive review by Steve Gibson of Infoworld).  Although it's fast, I >find its windows drivers extremely buggy despite implementing all of the  >Diamond technical support suggestions.  Does anyone else have any experience >with this card? > >Any feedback appreciated.   I have had a lot of problems with it.  I belive I have the latest drivers for it.  There are some occasions when I fire up windows it works great.  If you ever find  newer drivers I would appreciate a pointer to there location -Paul
From: Christian.Robert@etudiants.unine.ch Subject: WINDOWS EXIT PROBLEM Organization: University of Neuchatel, Switzerland Lines: 6  HELLO, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY WINDOW 3.1 PROGRAM  SOMETIMES WHEN I SAVE SETTINGS OF PROGRAM MANAGER THE SYSTEM CORRUPT ONE OR MORE  *.GRP FILES AND PROGMAN.EXE CAN'T OPEN IT ON NEXT START.  THANKS FOR ANY ANSWER. CHROBERT
From: pinn@cpqhou.se.hou.compaq.com (Steve Pinn x44304) Subject: Re: REQUEST: Gyro (souvlaki) sauce Organization: Compaq Computer Corp. Distribution: usa X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 32  Michael Trofimoff (tron@fafnir.la.locus.com) wrote:  : Hi All,  : Would anyone out there in 'net-land' happen to have an : authentic, sure-fire way of making this great sauce that : is used to adorn Gyro's and Souvlaki?  : Thanks,  I have a receipe at home that was posted to me by one of our fellow netters about a month ago.  I am recalling this from memory but I think I'm fairly close (by the way it was GREAT!)  1 	pint of plain yogurt  1/2	med. sized cucumber finely shredded 3	cloves of garlic (more or less by taste) 1/4 tsp	dill weed  The yogurt is dumped into a strainer lined with a coffee filter and allowed to drain at least 2 hours (you can adjust the consistancy of the sauce by increasing this time up to 24 hours)  The shredded cuc is drained the same way  Mix it all together and let it steep for at least 2 hours (it's better the next day) and enjoy!  Steve  
From: tsp@ccd.harris.com (Timothy S. Pillsbury) Subject: need ACS tutorial and/or netlist examples Originator: tsp@sp1 Keywords: ACS,SPICE,simulation Organization: Harris Controls Lines: 18   I recently ftp'd Al's Circuit Simulator (ACS) and I'm looking for the tutorial which is mentioned in the Users Manual (but not found there). I don't have any experience constructing a netlist (such as for SPICE) and I need a little help.  The examples which come with ACS aren't explanatory about the translation between schematic and netlist. Does anyone have the fabled "Tutorial" or any other reference which could help me in constructing a netlist from a schematic diagram?  (I also emailed Al himself but received no response yet. He's probably  busy with his next release.) --  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Pillsbury          Internet:  tsp@ccd.harris.com                           uunet:  uunet!ccd.harris.com!timothy.pillsbury -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) Subject: Re: Boom!  Whoosh...... Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co. Lines: 19  In article <1r6mcgINNe87@gap.caltech.edu+ kwp@wag.caltech.edu (Kevin W. Plaxco) writes: +In article <37147@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM+ wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes: +++ ++Once inflated the substance was no longer ++needed since there is nothing to cause the balloon to collapse. ++This inflatable structure could suffer multiple holes with no  ++disastrous deflation. + +preasure (and the internal preasure that was needed to maintain +a spherical shape against this resistance) caused them to +catastrophically deflated.  The large silvered shards + +The billboard should pop like a dime store balloon.  No, you're wrong about this. Give me some time to get my references.   --  Bruce Watson (wats@scicom.alphaCDC.COM) 
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: V4 V6 V8 V12 Vx? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 27  ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:   >  I am curious about knowing which commericial cars today >have v engines.  >V4 - I don't know of any. >V6 - Legend, MR3? MR6? >V8 - Don't know of any. >V12 - Jaguar XJS   > Please add to the list.   > Thanks, > -S > ssave@ole.cdac.com  	The Viper isn't an Inline 10 or Flat 10, is it?  I'm pretty sure its a V-10.  Also, the Cizeta??? is a V-16, but it may not yet be more than a  dream...   --  Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu *******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Wholly Babble (Was Re: free moral agency) Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 10  In article <2944159064.5.p00261@psilink.com> "Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com> writes:   (Deletion) >Of course, there is also the >Book of the SubGenius and that whole collection of writings as well.     Does someone know a FTP site with it?    Benedikt
From: messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) Subject: Re: (Some info) The DOS/MSW meltdown is progressing nicely Organization: Messina Software Lines: 36  mfraioli@grebyn.com (Marc Fraioli) writes:  >messina@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk) writes: >>ajayshah@almaak.usc.edu (Ajay Shah) writes: >> >>>"The Preferred Applications Development Platform" >>>                1992            1993 >>>Unix              18              28 >>>DOS & MSW         24              18 >> >>Development of what?  In-house apps?  Maybe, but  certainly not apps >>to be sold on an open market.  Statistics like that are laughable, >> >Actually, you might be surprised to find that not everyone who develops >mainstream DOS and Windows apps develops them under DOS or Windows.  PC >Week recently printed a rumor that Microsoft's Excel development group >does its development under OS/2.  If you believe that, I have a nice piece for swamp for you for RE development.  Microsoft does even its techpubs under Windows.  >Another trade rag did an article >recently about a group doing Windows development on Sun SPARCstations >with SoftPC to test out their work.  That wasn't Geo Works, was it?  :-)  >DOS and Windows are simply not robust or stable enough for >development work, IMHO, and apparently others agree.  Nonsense.  Sorry, I make fun of Windows all the time, but the above is simply a myth.  Tell that to Microsoft, Novell and others who dominate the market.  t. 
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: MORBUS MENIERE - is there a real remedy? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 39  In article <lindaeC4JGLK.FxM@netcom.com> lindae@netcom.com writes:  > >My biggest resentment is the doctor who makes it seem like most >people with dizziness can be cured.  That's definitely not the >case.  In most cases, like I said above, it is a long, tedious >process that may or may not end up in a partial cure.   >  Be sure to say "chronic" dizziness, not just dizziness.  Most patients with acute or subacute dizziness will get better. The vertiginous spells of Meniere's will also eventually go away, however, the patient is left with a deaf ear.   >To anyone suffering with vertigo, dizziness, or any variation >thereof, my best advice to you (as a fellow-sufferer) is this... >just keep searching...don't let the doctors tell you there's >nothing that can be done...do your own research...and let your  This may have helped you, but I'm not sure it is good general advice.  The odds that you are going to find some miracle with your own research that is secret or hidden from general knowledge for this or any other disease are slim.  When good answers to these problems are found, it is usually in all the newspapers.  Until then, spending a great deal of time and energy on the medical problem may divert that energy from more productive things in life.  A limited amount should be spent to assure yourself that your doctor gave you the correct story, but after it becomes clear that you are dealing with a problem for which medicine has no good solution, perhaps the best strategy is to join the support group and keep abreast of new findings but not to make a career out of it.  --  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: srgxnbs@grace.cri.nz Subject: Re: CAD Program for Electronics? Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand. Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz  >>What I want the CAD program to do is to draw diagrams by >>dragging elements onto the screen, and in this the elements >>needed are as diverse as vacuum tubes to ICs (case with pins). .. try DraftChoice, its not windows but its shareware and object oriented. Use it with PrintGL for high quality output.  Bruce  
From: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM (Gary Chin) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's e Reply-To: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 32  In article 28727@athos.rutgers.edu, 62johnson@cua.edu (Yusef Al-Tariq) writes: >Who's law is it that a wedding has to happen in a church?  the only reqirement >is that you and the bride agreee to marry each other.  How also can you say " >"christian wedding" when the proces of marriage is nt really discussed in the >bible.  why mus t a person get a civil marriage also?  The only standards i >look to are those imposed upon me by god... not of society.  If you want to live with someone, you can. If you don't want to have a civil marriage, don't. If you don't want to have a wedding in a church, don't. If you want to call that a marriage, go right ahead.  I hope that the young people that are around you, don't follow your example.   |-------------------| | Gary Chin         | | Staff Engineer    | | Sun Microsystems  | | Mt. View, CA      | | gchin@Eng.Sun.Com | |-------------------|  [If the original message claims that marriage is not discussed in the Bible, I have to disagree.  Various aspects of marriage are discussed in some of Paul's letters, Ephesians 5 sees marriage as a symbol of God's relationship with the church.  If it means specifically that the marriage ceremony isn't described, then that seems to be true.  But I think what most people mean by Christian marriage is not so much that it takes place in a church as that the parties undertake the various commitments to each other that are associated with marriage in the Bible.  --clh]
From: mosscropm@woods.ulowell.edu Subject: Bleep! Bruins lose 4-3 in O.T. Lines: 29 Organization: University of Massachusetts Lowell  Bleep! Bleep! Bleep!  The Bruins lost AGAIN in O.T.  I can't stand it!  Aside from frustrated ravings, I must give Buffalo credit: they are making good  on most of their scoring opportunities, and are playing great defense.  Boston players can't seem to get control of the puck anywhere near the Buffalo net except for on rare occasions.  The Buffalo defense is also doing an excellent job clearing away rebounds.  Fuhr is playing great when the big save is needed but he's also getting plenty of help. Boston has been playing rather well (better than would be indicated by the  series score of 3-0) but is lacking that extra drive in the earlier part of the  game.  As a result, Boston keeps leaving the ice at the end of the 1st period 2 goals down.  This MUST stop if Boston is to have any hope of winning a single game (the outlook for the Bruin's advancement to the second round are quite bleak).  IMHO, the Bruins NEED to score first.  If they can do that, they have an excellent chance of winning, since they have outplayed the Sabres in the  2nd and 3rd periods.  (The scary thing is that I'll be going to grad school in Buffalo next year.    I'll never cheer for the Sabres... You can't convert me... ^:)   MTM3  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Mosscrop  --  Die hard Bruins fan Dept. of Chemistry UMass-Lowell mosscropm@woods.ulowell.edu 
From: bjorn.myrland@sipaa.sintef.no (Bjorn Myrland) Subject: Re: Why I'm not using Dos 6 anymore Organization: SINTEF Lines: 38  In article <1993Apr28.141743.28994@ugle.unit.no> eliza@tigern (Elisabeth Bull) writes: >From: eliza@tigern (Elisabeth Bull) >Subject: Re: Why I'm not using Dos 6 anymore >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 93 14:17:43 GMT  >Mark Woodruff (CDA90038@UCF1VM.BITNET) wrote: >>  >> This morning at 4 am while I was working on my research paper, I had to >> reboot a hung Dos program (that did no disk i/o) from within Windows 3.1. >> When my machine finished rebooting, I found my windows directory and about two >> thirds of my other directories were irreversibly corrupted. >>  >(stuff deleted)  >This sounds like what happened to my HD a month ago. My HD was stacked >with Stacker v.2.0 (I run Dos5) Suddenly everything hung up, and most of >the HD got corrupted (directories changed into unreadable files with >'funny' names). In other words: it is probably just the doubledisk part of >Dos6 that is troublesome.   >I now use Stacker v 3.0, and so far I have had no trouble.   Does this need to have anything to do with disk compression? I have  experienced the same thing a couple of times myself, but *without* any disk  compression stuff installed. (For example, guess what happened when Norton  SpeedDisk once crashed during defragmenting!)  Bjorn-  * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *    Bjorn Myrland                  *  bjorn.myrland@sipaa.sintef.no    SINTEF Safety and Reliability  *  N-7034 Trondheim, NORWAY  -------------------------------------------------------------------    SINTEF - The Foundation for Scientific and Industrial Research                 at the Norwegian Institute of technology * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *  
From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: Nords 3 - Habs 2 in O.T. We was robbed!! Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 90  In article <1993Apr20.163027.28425@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> yaska@eecg.toronto.edu (Yaska Sankar) writes:  >>>Paul Stewart is the worst and most biased ref. presently in the NHL. >>>WE WAS ROBBED!!!!  >>No.  Patrick Roy is the reason the game was lost, and Ron Hextall is the >>reason Quebec won.   >I don't buy this at all. Roy was the reason the game was tied... and that >would *not* have been the case had Dionne kept his cool.  >Roy stood on his  >head for the first 15 minutes of the game when the Nords were rushing from  >end-to-end. Kamensky's mini-break after the tying goal and the first shot by  >Young in OT were both excellent chances stopped by Roy. Roy outplayed  >Hextall for most of the game, but Roy becomes the villain and Hextall  >the hero because Roy's team didn't make full use of their opportunities.  Whoa.  What you are effectively doing is implying that if a player plays really well, he 'stores up' mistakes that can be used at a later time.  Ths is not so.  Roy is the 'villain', as you so succinctly put it, because he allowed a very cheap goal.  If you think Roy outplayed Hextall, perhaps you should get a tape of the game and watch the first 7-8 minutes of the third period.  NHL goaltenders _make_ some great saves.  If they did not, they would not be in the NHL in the first place.  I do not expect any particular goalie to be able to make the great saves all of the time, even though they are occasionally required.  However, when it comes to a routine shot like Sakic's, especially at such a crucial time in a game, I don't think there  are any legitimate excuses.   >Hextall, on the other hand, had a lot of lucky bounces  >[description of lucky bounces.....] >Hextall wasn't particularly brilliant on those plays ...   I am not arguing that Hextall was brilliant.  I am arguing is that a relatively weak wrist shot from the outside of the circle shold not result  in a goal.   > ... but it was just the 1 goal. The timing stank, but against >an explosive team like Quebec, they gave them 1 opportunity too many with >a powerplay that was totally unnecessary.  In a one-goal game with less than a minute to go there is no such thing as 'just the 1 goal'.  I have not defended Dionne for taking the penalty either...in fact I think it was a boneheaded move.  But it led to _one_ goal only, and Montreal had a _two_ goal lead.  My main concern is the second  goal.  >This most certainly was a team loss... Leclair missed his opportunities, >as did Bellows and Brunet. Dionne took a bad penalty. Damphousse and Lebeau >were *silent*. Carbonneau and Savard were a step behind all night. Roy gave >up the bad goal. Roy, by no means, can be singled out for this loss.  What you say about the skaters is absolutely true.  But realize that the  game was effectively *won*.  You could watch any hockey game (in fact, you could watch any sporting event period) and spend hours discussing the 'what if's' w.r.t. missed opportunities.  They are not important when the final result is decided.  If I get the time soon, I'll watch the game again and email you a list of lucky Montreal bounces and a list of Quebec offensive screwups.  Montreal was _leading_ with a minute to go.  The goalie is the last line of defence, and I will grant that extra attention is focussed on him, sometimes without justification.  But Roy gave up a *lousy* goal, and a team cannot afford such a goal.  >>Roy looked like a player in an industrial league on Sakic's shot.  >And Hextall didn't on Dionne's goal? Please.   WHO CARES?  Of what value is it to justify one lousy play with a totally unrelated lousy play?  I could do a Hextall critique if you'd like.  But if you're going to assess his performance, keep in mind that he made the key saves at the key times.  >Roy is paid big money because >that is his value compared to other goalies ... and he still is in the top 5  For the record, I did not say that Roy was not one of the top goaltenders in the league.  In fact, I agree that he is.  >The Montreal media is the quickest to heap praise and then hurl derogatory >comments against the Habs. They are no better than uninformed fans.                              I assume you are referring to me.  However, I have pointed out that I think the loss can be blamed on Roy.  I have not said he sucks, nor do I think I've made any other 'derogatory comments'.  If you regard objective (and informed, FYI) observations as derogatory, I really can't help you.   -- dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca  
From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) Subject: Re: Threatening Gun Owners Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu  In article <7178@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gswst@cislabs.pitt.edu (Gary S. Wachs) writes: > >Hello, > >I'm writing a story on the future of Gun Control.  There are a >few points I would welcome your opinion on.  It's wonderful having a >resource like this newsgroup to take advantage of and I thank you in advance >for your feedback! > >1. What do you believe are the most serious threats to gun-owners in the >future?   	* The Government 	* Liberals 	* BATF, FBI, DEA, etc.  (see #1)  >2. Are you concerned that the 2nd ammendment could be reinterpreted to >apply to the armed forces only, barring civilians from owning arms of >any kind? 	Well... 		contributions == taxes 		abortion == elimination of fetal tissue 		Clinton == president 		faggot == spouse 	It could happen...  >3. If you did have control over what types of arms people would be allowed >to buy, which types would you feel compelled to restrict to military >uses only (ie. bazooka, M16, grenade, atomic bomb, etc.) 	Hydrogen Bomb, perhaps. 	 >4. Would you describe HCI and all other gun control activists as being >determined to make it illegal for a civilian to own or use a firearm? 	Yep.  >5. Have you personally read the Brady Bill in its entirety? 	Yep.  >Thank again, > >Gary   --  +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |  Lance W. Bledsoe        lwb@im4u.cs.utexas.edu        (512) 258-0112  | |  "Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free."         | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+
From: kschang@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Kuo-Sheng (Kasey) Chang) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Organization: San Francisco State University Lines: 75  In article <1993Apr21.141137.863@imag.fr> schaefer@imag.imag.fr (Arno Schaefer) writes: >In article <1993Apr21.085848.12704W@lumina.edb.tih.no>, ketil@edb.tih.no (Ketil Albertsen,TIH) writes: >|> In article <1993Apr20.230749.12821@reed.edu>, mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) writes: >>>	I guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not >>>impossible, to answer. What exactly do you want to know?  Do you need a good >>>one for a project you are working on? How secure must it be?  Are you trying >>>to crack one that someone else has used?  I can probably make suggestions, >>>assuming the activity is strictly legal.  (In general, it is a BAD idea, >>>legally, to tamper with copy protection.  It can also lead to corruption of >>>files which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy >>>protected,) which can be devestating.)  Do you have absolutely no ideas for >>>practical applications, and are merely curious? >>>	Please clear up those questions, and I'll try to help as much as I >>>can. >>  >> May we interpret this as an offer to volunteer as editor for a >> "Copy protection FAQ" ? I am quite sure that I am not alone welcoming such >> an initiative! *I* will volunteer to ask some of the questions, if you will >> provide the answers :-) >>  >Hey, now will you stop encouraging him? Copy protection only serves one pur- >pose: to keep the honest buyer from making (legal) backup copies. It will >definitely not stop any pirates. If you want to protect you soft, supply a >good documentation and support. This is IMHO the *only* way of effectively  >protecting software.  There are several types of copy protection, and the point is to make sure the user is using a legitimate copy.  The simplest and virtually fool-proof way is for the program to somehow fixate itself to the machine it was installed on (some sort of checksum, serial number, whatever) so a copy put on a different machine (NOT installed from original disks) will not work.    The program is definitely backupable, if restored to the same machine (depends on the programmer...  don't use a disk drive characteristic!)  If the user  did an upgrade to the machine, he/she should reinstall all programs any way. No document look-up, no disk wear-and-tear!  I did not say that the originals would allow only one install.  The user's  conscience should do that.  I know, I'll get flamed for this...  But with the increasing number of "casual" users who either unknowingly or don't care about the software copyrights (It's the truth.  I have "friends" who ask me for copies of my latest games all the time, and when I refused, they went after somebody else.), casual pirating is becoming more of a problem.  Some sort of copy protection will discourage the casual copying.  I've seen what some of my "friends" dug up somewhere...  Latest and the greatest games, all cracked, WITHIN days of actual release!  You know how many bytes you need to change in X-wing to disable the quiz?  TWO!  Yes, TWO!  (And don't ask me which ones they are.)  Determined pirates are unstoppable, given enough time, but their results do not spread  that far, since pirate boards are not that well-known, and easily tracked once found by authorities.  It is the "casual" pirates that the copy protection is determined to discourage.  What I believe the companies should do is implement the above plus a special patch once the user registers that loudly exclaims upon bootup "REGISTERED TO XXXXX -- address, city, state zip" and disables the above. Two benefits: 1) encourages registration, 2) cuts down on pirating and makes it more traceable, because if the patch's registration message is encrypted, it will be quite hard to change, and therefore provides a stable trail of who allowed their copy out of their hands, and thus violated their license agreement.  This way, the legitimate users who does not register will experience minimal  discomfort (who does major upgrades to their computer frequently?) as only problem they have is they won't be able to restore to another computer.  The registered users would have proven they are legitmate users and therefore gains full rights, and can restore to different machines.  On the other hand, the software company now have a record of where THIS particular copy is  supposed to be.  If this user's copy was found to be somewhere it was not  supposed to be, we know who has broken their license agreement.  Of course, a hacker can break that eventually, but that's not the point, is it?  --Kasey Chang
From: bps@ektools.kodak.com (Bruce P. Sidari) Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. Organization: Eastman Kodak Lines: 29  In article <1993Apr15.212629.1834@cmkrnl.com> jeh@cmkrnl.com writes: >In article <1993Apr14.172145.27458@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) writes: >> I'm considering modernizing some old wiring in my home, and >> I need a little advice on outlet wiring.  Several outlets >> are the old 'two prong' type, without the ground.  Naturally, >> the wire feeding these outlets is 12/2, WITHOUT the ground >> wire.  I noticed at the fusebox that some circuits have the >> 12/2 with ground, and that on these circuits, the ground >> wire was tied to the same bus as the neutral (white) wire. > >They are supposed to be connected together at the breaker panel... but nowhere, >repeat NOwhere, else.  (Well, almost.  There are strange exceptions for things >like sub-panels.) > > >	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA >Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com  Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh  CIS: 74140,2055 >  Not even in sub panels!  The only place the neutral should be connected to the ground is in a SERVICE DISCONNECT!  In your house the "main" panel serves as the service disconnect.  Sub panles in your garage or workshop for example must maintain seperate neutral and ground busses because they are not  service disconnect equipment.   Steve Woodard, KD2KQ - not a licensed electrician, but I can read the NEC book.                        (my brother is though)  :)  
From: twong@civil.ubc.ca (Thomas Wong) Subject: Image processing software for PC Organization: Dept. of Civil Engineering, U.B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 27 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.civil.ubc.ca    I am posting the following for my brother. Please post your replies or send him email to his address at the end of his message. Thank you. ____________________________________________________________________  My supervisor is looking for a image analysis software for MS DOS. We need something to measure lengths and areas on micrographs. Sometime in the future, we may expand to do some densitometry for gels, etc. We've found lots of ads and info for the Jandel Scientific products: SigmaScan and Java.  But we have not been able to find any competing products. We would appreciate any comments on these products and  suggestions / comments on other products we should consider. Thanks.     Donald  UserDONO@MTSG.UBC.CA    
From: shag@aero.org (Rob Unverzagt) Subject: Re: space food sticks Keywords: food Article-I.D.: news.1pscc6INNebg Organization: Organization?  You must be kidding. Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org  In article <1pr5u2$t0b@agate.berkeley.edu> ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48) writes: > I had spacefood sticks just about every morning for breakfast in > first and second grade (69-70, 70-71).  They came in Chocolate, > strawberry, and peanut butter and were cylinders about 10cm long > and 1cm in diameter wrapped in yellow space foil (well, it seemed > like space foil at the time).    Wasn't there a "plain" flavor too?  They looked more like some kind of extruded industrial product than food -- perfectly smooth cylinders with perfectly smooth ends.  Kinda scary.  > The taste is hard to describe, although I remember it fondly.  It was > most certainly more "candy" than say a modern "Power Bar."  Sort of > a toffee injected with vitamins.  The chocolate Power Bar is a rough > approximation of the taste.  Strawberry sucked.  An other post described it as like a "microwaved Tootsie Roll" -- which captures the texture pretty well.  As for taste, they were like candy, only not very sweet -- does that make sense? I recall liking them for their texture, not taste. I guess I have well developed texture buds.  > Man, these were my "60's."  It was obligatory to eat a few while watching "Captain Scarlet". Does anybody else remember _that_, as long as we're off the topic of space?  Shag  --  ----------------------------------------------------------------------        Rob Unverzagt        |   shag@aerospace.aero.org   |       Tuesday is soylent green day. unverzagt@courier2.aero.org | 
From: Peter Todd Chan <pc1o+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Klipsch Forte 2 SPKRS 4 Sale Organization: Fifth yr. senior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu  ITEM: Klipsch Forte 2 Speakers CONDITION: Mint AGE: 6 months old  PRICE: $1000/pair (retail: $1400/pair)  These speakers are in perfect condition and used only in audiophile system. They are floor standing and come with all the original packagaing and literature. They are also still under warranty. If you are interested or have  any questions, please feel free to e-mail (pc1o@andrew.cmu.edu) or call me at home. Thanks, Jon (412) 882-6425
From: dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) Subject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas) Organization: VTT Lines: 58  In article <1r1eu1$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.083057.16899@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes: >> In article <1qv87v$4j3@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >> >In article <C5n3GI.F8F@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes: > >> >> The massive destructive power of many modern weapons, makes the >> >> cost of an accidental or crimial usage of these weapons to great. >> >> The weapons of mass destruction need to be in the control of >> >> the government only.  Individual access would result in the >> >> needless deaths of millions.  This makes the right of the people >> >> to keep and bear many modern weapons non-existant.  >> >Thanks for stating where you're coming from.  Needless to say, I >> >disagree on every count.  >> You believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of >> mass destruction?  I find it hard to believe that you would support a  >> neighbor's right to keep nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and nerve >> gas on his/her property.    >> If we cannot even agree on keeping weapons of mass destruction out of >> the hands of individuals, can there be any hope for us?  >I don't sign any blank checks.  Of course.  The term must be rigidly defined in any bill.  >When Doug Foxvog says "weapons of mass destruction," he means CBW and >nukes.  When Sarah Brady says "weapons of mass destruction" she means >Street Sweeper shotguns and semi-automatic SKS rifles.    I doubt she uses this term for that.  You are using a quote allegedly from her, can you back it up?  >When John >Lawrence Rutledge says "weapons of mass destruction," and then immediately >follows it with:  >>> The US has thousands of people killed each year by handguns, >>> this number can easily be reduced by putting reasonable restrictions >>> on them.  >...what does Rutledge mean by the term?  I read the article as presenting first an argument about weapons of mass destruction (as commonly understood) and then switching to other topics. The first point evidently was to show that not all weapons should be allowed, and then the later analysis was, given this understanding, to consider another class.  >cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company, >OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...    --  doug foxvog douglas.foxvog@vtt.fi
From:  (Rashid) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.186 Organization: NH Lines: 126  In article <1993Apr22.132909.5001@nic.csu.net>, davec@silicon.csci.csusb.edu (Dave Choweller) wrote: >  > In article <1993Apr22.004405.28052@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes: > [stuff deleted...] > >The point of my post was that Rushdie was not being condemned solely > >for the "words" in his book (although this was certainly a contributing > >factor). It was the whole series of actions of Rushdie and his > >publishers following the publication of the book and the initial media > >spotlight placed on the book, that (in large part) led to the fatwa. The > >kind of fatwa levelled against Rushdie is not lightly placed and there > >are any number of anti-Islamic writers both within and outside the > >Islamic world who have not had fatwas made against them. Here, someone > >who adds fuel to an explosive situation, might be charged with incitement > >to riot - if people die in the rioting the charges against him might > >become even more serious. >  > How can Rushdie be blamed for the deaths of people who are demonstrating > against him?  The deaths should be blamed on the people who dealt with > the demonstrations, or on the demonstrators themselves, if they were > violent.  To what lengths will you go to justify this barbaric behaviour > against Rushdie?  Once the Rushdie situation exploded into the media, the Muslim voice on the matter of the book was effectively restricted to short video bytes showing the dramatic highlights of Muslim demonstrations. For every twenty or so newspaper, magazine articles, interviews etc. supporting Rushdie, there would appear one Muslim voice. This person was usually selected based on how dramatic and incoherent he was, not on his knowledge of Islam or the situation at the time. This approx. twenty to one ratio continued throughout the escalation of the crisis, with Rushdie in the central spotlight as the man of the moment, the valiant defender of everyman's right to free speech decoupled from responsibility. (As an aside, it's interesting that while the hue and cry about freedom of speech went up, some books (defaming certain ethnic and religious groups) continued to be banned here. It was felt that they injured the sensibilities of these  groups and presented a false image which could promote feelings of  hate towards these groups. For Muslims this kind of double standard  was annoying.)  Rushdie saw this spotlight as a golden opportunity to lash out at "organized" Islam, and he did so with admirable verbal skill. The only kind of Islam which Rushdie finds palatable is what he calls a "secular" Islam - an Islam separated from it's Qur'an, it's Prophet, God, its legislation, and most importantly from any intrusion into any political arena. Fine - Rushdie made his views known - the Muslim's made their anger at his book known. The scale of the whole affair erupted into global proportions - it was, by this time, already a political situation - affecting governments as well as individuals. The situation was a serious one, with far-reaching political implications. At the centre of this turmoil was Rushdie, throwing fuel on the fire - engaged in a personal crusade that made him oblivious to any sense of caution.  Now you may feel that the person in the centre of a worldwide storm such as  this has no responsibility, has no reason to exercise restraint of any kind, has no obligation to perhaps step back momentarily out of the spotlight till matters calm down. Perhaps you even feel that he is justified in "boldly" defying the anger of all those who dare to take umbrage at his literary work, no matter what insult they find within it. Perhaps you see him as a kind of secular "heroic Knight",mounted on the his media steed,  doing battle with the "dragon" of Islamic "fundamentalism".  Well Khomeini saw him as a disingeneous author who  grew up in a Muslim atmosphere, knew well what Muslim's hold dear,  who wrote a book which mischievously uses certain literary conventions to slander, insult, and attack Islam and its most notable personalities - who, when faced with a situation that became a worldwide crisis, continued with his mischief in the world stage of the media - who, even after people were injured and killed because of the magnitude and emotion of the situation, continued his mischief, instead of having the good sense to desist. Khomeini saw the crisis as mischief making on a grand scale, mischief making that grew in scale as the scale of the crisis enlarged. The deaths of Muslims around the world and Rushdie's continued media mischief even after this, was the triggering factor that seemed to decide Khomeini on putting a stop to the mischief. The person at the centre of all these events was Rushdie - he was the source of the continuing mischief - all media support, government support was just that - support. The source was Rushdie (and his publishers, who were nothing short of ecstatic at the publicity and were very happy to see Rushdie constantly in the media). The Islamic rulings that deal with people who engage in this kind of grand-scale mischief making, was applied to Rushdie.  >You're attempts at justification are not doing the > image of Islam any good.  I have made no attempts at justification, only at explanation. "Image" is the chief concern of Muslim 'apologists' for Islam and for Rushdie. If Muslims willingly relegated themselves to becoming a sub-culture within a larger secular culture, such that the secular principles and laws had precedence over the laws of Islam - then I have no doubt that Islam would then be thought to have a good "image" (Principally because it would by and large reflect the secular image). A "good image" usually means " be more like me".  Your attempts at TOTALLY exonerating Rushdie reflect exactly the attitude that resulted in the polarization brought about by the crisis.  >  In Iran, the situation was monitored for many > >months - when Rushdie kept adding fuel to the flames through the free > >worldwide voice that the media gave him, the situation was monitored > >more seriously. When, even after many deaths occured worldwide, Rushdie > >still did not desist - the fatwa was pronounced. When behaving like > >a total jerk endangers lives, and the jerk sees this and still insists > >on his right to behave like a total jerk - he has the rug jerked out > >from under him. >  > If the muslims didn't make such a big fuss over the book, like issuing > death threats, and killing publishers, NO ONE WOULD HAVE HEARD OF IT.  The fatwa came later - much later. If Rushdie didn't mouth off so much in the media, the fuss would have died down - no one would have been killed, no fatwa would have been passed - the whole episode would have fizzled away.
Subject: CDs for sale [update] From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) Organization: Hiram College Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu Lines: 31  CDs for sale shipping is included  Barcelona Gold		Freddie Mercury, Tevin Campbell, En Vogue 			INXS, Madonna, Eric Clapton, Sarah Brightman 			($9.00)  Wayne's World		Queen, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alice Cooper 			Eric Clapton 			($9.00)  Extreme II		Pronograffitti 			($9.00)  Saturday Night Live Band	Live from New York 			($7.00)  Harry Connick, JR.	Blue Light			*Sold* 			(just open, $10.00)  Dances with Woives	($9.00)				*Sold*  Handel			Classical 	($ 6.00)	*Sold*   Please send your reply to koutd@hirama.hiram.edu Package deal is welcome.  Douglas Kou Hiram College  
From: cfb@fc.hp.com (Charlie Brett) Subject: Re: Lead Acid batteries & Concrete? Nntp-Posting-Host: hpfcmgw.fc.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] Lines: 15  Michael Covington (mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu) wrote:  : This topic was beaten to death a year or so ago.  : The concrete is not the problem.   : Lead-acid batteries often fail from disuse (not being charged for a long : time), but there's no way the concrete floor could be the cause of the : problem.  Ditto. The only remote, and I do say remote, possibility is that if the ground was REAL cold (< -30F) the battery might freeze an split. But then it would probably freeze anyway :-)          Charlie Brett - Ft. Collins, CO
From: Alan.Olsen@p17.f40.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Alan Olsen) Subject: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Lines: 29   MC> Theory of Creationism: MY theistic view of the theory of MC> creationism, (there  are many others) is stated in Genesis MC> 1.  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  And which order of Creation do you accept?	The story of creation is one of the many places in the Bible where the Story contradicts itself.  The following is an example...  GEN 1:25  And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle  after  their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. GEN 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image,  after  our likeness:  and  let  them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and  over  all the  earth,  and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.  GEN 2:18  And the LORD God said, It is  not  good  that  the  man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. GEN 2:19  And out of the ground the LORD God formed  every  beast of  the  field,  and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever  Adam  called every living creature, that was the name thereof.  Even your Bible cannot agree on how things were created.  Why should we believe in it?                     Alan 
From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce) Subject: Re: Acceleration sensor? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 17  In article <1993Apr27.145201.15495@walter.bellcore.com> deaddio@ski.bellcore.com (Michael DeAddio) writes: >Does anyone know of any type of acceleration sensor that has >an electrical output of any sort?  It would only have to sense >acceleration in one direction.  Gee, how about an (ahem) "accelerometer"! Such devices are available from a variety of sources (one that comes to mind is Bruel & Kjaer if you have a lot of money to spend). MOst of these sorts of devices output a voltage proportional to acceleration. You need to know what range you're talking about though.   --  |                Dick Pierce                | |    Loudspeaker and Software Consulting    | | 17 Sartelle Street   Pepperell, MA  01463 | |       (508) 433-9183 (Voice and FAX)      |
From: cindy@berkp.uadv.uci.edu (Cindy Windham) Subject: What's a bone scan? Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.200.129.76 Organization: University Advancement, University of Calif., Irvine Lines: 7  My mother has been advised to have a bone scan performed?  What is this procedure for, and is it painful?  She's been having leg and back pain which her GP said was sciatica.  Her oncologist listened to her symptoms and said that it didn't sound like sciatica, and she should get a bone scan.    - Cindy W.
From: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca (Derek K. Miller) Subject: Gatewaying Microsoft Mail/Workgroups via 9600 modem? Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca  Our student association runs a small Novell network which has a subnetwork of Windows for Workgroups and Microsoft Mail. The Director of Finance, en electrical engineering student, would like to gateway this system, either via SLIP or not, into the University's network and thus the Internet, at the very least to exchange e-mail, but possibly also to do ftp's etc. For now, this would be done via a 9600 bps modem.  He would like to set it up so that it would periodically call in to check mail, but would otherwise connect whenever needed.  What is the best way to do this? Gatewaying software is available, but what works best?  Please reply to me: dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca  or the D of F    : dleung@ee.ubc.ca  with a cc: to the other. I don't read all of these groups regularly, so mail is best. If this is a common question, please pot me to a FAQ or ftp site.        :=:=> Derek K. Miller                 dkmiller@unixg.ubc.ca       Researcher, Alma Mater Society        thegrodd@tz.ucs.sfu.ca       University of British Columbia, Canada       Room 230B - 6138 SUB Blvd., Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z1       Campus Mail Zone 1  phone (604) 822-6868  fax (604) 822-9019 
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Star Trek (TOS) novels: 3/$8 package Summary: Price of the Phoenix; Fate of the Phoenix; Memory Prime Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Distribution: usa Lines: 16   Some reading from a recent interview trip ... waiting all day at O'Hare a month ago, waiting out the storm here in New York!  	The Price of the Phoenix;  	The Fate of the Phoenix;  	Memory Prime  Take the package for $8, or in trade for a good used CD ...  gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU 			GO  Winnipeg Jets  GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET			Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
From: enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) Subject: Vandalizing the sky. Organization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia Lines: 38  From the article "What's New" Apr-16-93 in sci.physics.research:  ........ WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993  Washington, DC  1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE "SPINOFFS" WE WERE PROMISED? In 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published "The Man Who Sold the Moon," which involved a dispute over the sale of rights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this  hideous vision of the future.  Observers were startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the pad with "SCHWARZENEGGER" painted in huge block letters on the side of the booster rockets.  Space Marketing Inc. had arranged for the ad to promote Arnold's latest movie. Now, Space Marketing is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth orbit.  NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates (WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs. ..........  What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore. What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night). Is NASA really supporting this junk? Are protesting groups being organized in the States? Really, really depressed.               Enzo --  Vincenzo Liguori                             | enzo@research.canon.oz.au Canon Information Systems Research Australia | Phone +61 2 805 2983 PO Box 313 NORTH RYDE NSW 2113               | Fax   +61 2 805 2929
Subject: 1993 Honda Civic From: <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET> Organization: Brigham Young University Lines: 8  I'd like to converse with anyone who has purchased a 1993 Honda Civic about their experience.  I'm new to the car buying game and would like to know what price I can expect to pay for a sedan after bargaining.  Thanks in advance,  -- Ellen
From: random@cbnewse.cb.att.com (David L. Pope) Subject: Riddle me something else. Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 11  > On the other hand, I wonder if, > with a face full of "massive amounts of CS," *I* would be able to escape > a burning tinder-box like that ranch house assuming my best efforts.  What ever happened to the 'Adobe Fortress' I kept hearing about? I thought this was a 'Cult Stronghold'! If the kgbatf knew it was a tinderbox, why didn't they just have all the talking heads line up and start huffin' and puffin?  	Random 	
From: poram@ihlpb.att.com Subject: Re: Deuterocanonicals, esp. Sirach Organization: AT&T Lines: 86  In article <May.7.01.09.00.1993.14498@athos.rutgers.edu> revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille) writes: >Dave Davis (ddavis@cass.ma02.bull.com) wrote: > >[lots deleted, with which I generally agree; there is no inherently >defensible argument for the inclusion or exclusion of the Deuterocanonical >books]  >:  I think everyone would agree that principles that cannot be  >:  consistently applied are not very useful as principles.  >:  So, if we are to exclude them (not accord them the authority of >:  Scripture) we would appear to require other reasons. What might these  >:  reasons be?  Lets talk about principles. If we accept that God sets the standards for what ought to be included in Scripture - then we can ask: 1. Is it authoritative? 2. Is it prophetic? 3. Is it authentic? 4. Is it dynamic? 5. Is it received, collected, read and used?  On these counts, the apocrapha falls short of the glory of God. To quote Unger's Bible Dictionary on the Apocrapha: 1. They abound in historical and geographical inaccuracies and anachronisms. 2. They teach doctrines which are false and foster practices which are at variance with sacred Scripture. 3. They resort to literary types and display an artificiality of subject matter and styling out of keeping with sacred Scripture. 4. They lack the distinctive elements which give genuine Scripture their divine character, such as prophetic power and poetic and religious feeling.  >:   >:  My interim conclusion is that Protestant exclusion of  >:  (at least one of) these writings is one of those 'traditions >:  of men' one hears of so often. They were excluded during the >:  Reformation, and that appears to be the reason many people >:  continue to exclude them.  But the problem with this argument lies in the assumption that the Hebrew canon included the Apocrapha in the first place, and it wasn't until the sixteenth century that Luther and co. threw them out. The Jewish council you mentioned previously didn't accept them, so the reformation protestants had good historical precedence for their actions. Jerome only translated the apocrapha under protest, and it was literally 'over his dead body' that it was included in the catholic canon.  >The simple fact is that Protestant exclusion, Roman inclusion, Orthodox >inclusion of still other books, or any other definition of a closed canon >is the decision of a community of faith about what the standard collection >of scripture shall be for that community.  They _all_ are "traditions of >men."  Whether one considers that to be a problem or not depends on which >community happens to be yours, and how you accept/ define authority within >it.  I personally believe that the concept of a closed canon, whether >Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox is one that developed rather late in the >history of the church, and which has not served the church well.  How do you then view the words: "I warn everyone who  hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from this book the prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city" (Rev 22.18-9) Surely this sets the standard and not just man-made traditions.  It is also noteworthy to consider Jesus' attitude. He had no argument with the pharisees over any of the OT canon (John 10.31-6), and explained to his followers on the road to Emmaus  that in the law, prophets and psalms which referred to him - the  OT division of Scripture (Luke 24.44), as well as in Luke 11.51 taking Genesis to Chronicles (the jewish order - we would say Genesis to Malachi) as Scripture.  >See Dr. Lee MacDonald's _The Formation of the Christian Biblical Canon_ >(Abingdon, 1988) for a clear and faithful examination of the origins and >issues of the canon.  I am not familiar with the book.  Some other arguments you might like to consider are found in Chapter 3 of Josh McDowell's Evidence That Demands A Verdict.  Barney Resson "Many shall run to and fro, & knowledge shall increase" (Daniel)
From: sandy@nmr1.pt.cyanamid.COM (Sandy Silverman) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk In-Reply-To: markmc@halcyon.com's message of 19 Apr 1993 01:07:22 -0700 Nntp-Posting-Host: nmr1.pt.cyanamid.com Organization: American Cyanamid Company 	<1qtmjq$ahd@nwfocus.wa.com> Lines: 11  From my reading of the popular, and scientific, literature,  I think that the benzopyrene-from-burned-fat problem is probably real but very small compared to other kinds of risks.  (This type of problem also occurs with stove-top pan grilling.)  One possible remedy I have read about is to take some vitamin C with your meal of barbecue (or bacon, e.g.).  This MAY make sense because vit. C is an antioxidant which could counteract the adverse affect of some of the  chemicals in question.  Bon Apetit!       -- Sanford Silverman                      >Opinions expressed here are my own< American Cyanamid   sandy@pt.cyanamid.com, silvermans@pt.cyanamid.com     "Yeast is Best"
From: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU (nathan wallace) Subject:  ORION space drive Reply-To: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University -=- Computer Science Dept. Lines: 16  An excellent reference for non-technical readers on the ORION system is "The Starflight Handbook", by Eugene Mallove and Gregory Matloff, ISBN 0-471-61912-4. The relevant chapter is 4: Nuclear Pulse Propulsion.  The book also contains lots of technical references for the more academically inclined.   Enjoy! --- C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/ C/    Nathan F. Wallace                   C/C/           "Reality Is"         C/ C/    e-mail: wallacen@cs.colostate.edu   C/C/    ancient Alphaean proverb    C/ C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/C/    
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 31  [reply to timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons]   >...the same kind of ignorance is demonstrated in just about every post >in this newsgroup.  For instance, generalizations about Christianity >are popular.   Which newsgroup have you been reading?  The few anti-Christian posts are virtually all in response to some Christian posting some "YOU WILL ALL BURN IN HELL" kind of drivel.   >I'm a soft atheist (courtesy of the FAQ), but even I know enough about >the Bible to see that it repeatedly warns of false prophets preaching >in the name of God.   Bake, it is transparently obvious that you are a theist pretending to be an atheist.  You probably think you are very clever, but we see this all the time.   >But the possibilities of creator and eternity carry with them too much >emotional power to dismiss merely on the basis of this line.   But of course *you* have dismissed them because you are an atheist, right?   >...just like any other religion, hard atheism is a faith.   In other words, you *didn't* read the FAQ after all.   David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu).  Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell
From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) Subject: Re: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!! In-Reply-To: 's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15: 50:02 EDT Organization: Compaq Computer Corp Lines: 11  >>>>> On Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:50:02 EDT, <JSN104@psuvm.psu.edu> said:  J> YOU BLASHEPHEMERS!!! YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD!!!!  BE J> PREPARED FOR YOUR ETERNAL DAMNATION!!!  Hmm, I've got my MST3K lunch box, my travel scrabble, and a couple of kegs of Bass Ale.  I'm all set!  Let's go everybody!  -- Ed McCreary                                               ,__o edm@twisto.compaq.com                                   _-\_<,  "If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)
From: mam@mouse.cmhnet.org (Mike McAngus) Subject: Re: thoughts on christians Organization: The cat is on the mat  X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 19  On Wed, 21 Apr 1993 08:16:14 GMT sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) wrote: >In article <C5rGKB.4Fs@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu  [re. Conner's questioning of the blissful afterlife as a reason why many joined the early Xian church]  >Well, as I remember Jacoby's "Mythmaker" talks about this to cite >one source -- but I'm not sure if all Christians have read this book. >In addition my social experiences is from being raised and educated >as a Lutheran, having a lot of Christian friends, and I even >have played in two Christian rock bands!  Do you mean Hyam Maccoby's _The Mythmaker_?  -- Mike McAngus         | The Truth is still the Truth mam@mouse.cmhnet.org | Even if you choose to ignore it.                      | (Some of the old .sig viruses are still the best)
From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) Subject: Re: Flexible solar cells Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 24  In article <1993Apr22.135517.5897@r-node.hub.org> wayne@r-node.hub.org (Wayne Dawe) writes: >Two or three years ago I saw a report on TV about a company that had  >developed a method of making solar cells on a flexible substrate. My >failing memory has convinced me it was some flexible metal. I now have >an application that requires a flexible solar cell and was hoping someone >out in netland knows something about this company or a similar product. >Any help would be greatly appreciated. >--  >Wayne Dawe                    (pick a path, any path but don't send me >wayne@r-node.hub.org           anything bigger than 15K) >wayne@r-node.gts.org   wayne@r-node.pci.on.ca     wayne@r-node.UUCP  Wayne:  Look for these advertised in sailboat supplies catalogs and sail-related magazines (eg. SAIL ...).  +------------------------------------------------------------+ |  David Prutchi                 HC1DT                       | |  Washington University         <prutchi@mesun4.wustl.edu>  | |  Campus Box 1185               <dp@cec1.wustl.edu>         | |  One Brookings Drive                                       | |  St. Louis, MO  63130-4899                                 | +------------------------------------------------------------+
From: JEK@cu.nih.gov Subject: Hell Lines: 41  On 20 April, Stephen McIntyre writes:   > I would rather spend an eternity in Hell than be beside God in  > Heaven knowing that even one man would spend his "eternal life"  > being scorched for his wrongdoings....  Stephen, I suspect that when you and I use the word "Hell," we have different concepts in mind. When you encounter references to Heaven in terms of crowns and harps and golden streets, I trust that you do not suppose (or suspect Christians of supposing) that the golden streets are to be taken literally, still less that they are what the concept of Heaven is all about. Why then should you suppose that about the "fires" of Hell?      Have you read the novel ATLAS SHRUGGED? Do you remember the last description of James Taggart, sitting on the floor beside the Ferris Persuader? This comes close to a description of what is meant by Hell in my circles. If the image of fire is often used in this connection, there are two reasons that occur to me.      The first reason is that it conveys the idea of Hell as something that any rational being would earnestly wish to avoid (as any rational being would wish to avoid the fate of James Taggart -- but the latter image is meaningful only to those who have read ATLAS SHRUGGED, a smaller audience than those who have played with matches).      The second reason is the history of the Hebrew word "Gehenna," one of the words translated "Hell" in the New Testament. It refers to the valley of Hinnon, outside Jerusalem. In early days, it was a place where the Canaanites offered human sacrifices (burned alive) to Molech. Later, it was made a garbage or refuse dump, where fires burned continually, consuming the trash of the city of Jerusalem. "To be cast into Gehenna" or "to burn in Gehenna" thus became a metaphor for "to be rejected or discarded as worthless."  Lest you think that identifying Hell with the fate of James Taggart is my own private fancy, I commend to you the book THE GREAT DIVORCE, by C S Lewis. It discusses Heaven (no harps) and Hell (no flames). It is shorter than ATLAS SHRUGGED, and available at most bookstores and libraries.   Yours,  James Kiefer
From: halsall@murray.fordham.edu (Paul Halsall) Subject: Bible Unsuitable for New Christians Reply-To: halsall@murray.fordham.edu Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site Lines: 42   	A "new Christian" wrote that he was new to the faith and  learning about it "by reading the Bible, of course". I am not at all sure this is the best path to follow. 	While the Bible is, for Christians, the word of God, the  revelation of God is Jesus Christ and the chief legacy of this revalation is the Church. I am not recommending any one denommination, but I do recommend finding a comfortable christian congregation in which to develop your faith, rather than just reading the Bible. 	This does not mean that the Bible should not be read, although I would stick to the Gospels, epistles, and Psalms and avoid the Book of Revelation altogether [until you are with friends you are comfortable with]. I am sure that mistakenly fervent  projects to read the entire Bible have frequently bogged down with a remarkable lack of fervour somewhere in the middle of Leviticus, or for the really sturdy, somewhere in Chronicles. 	The point is that the Bible is their to illustrate the Faith of Christians, but does not provide the totality of that faith. Vital beliefs of virtually all Christians are simply not mentioned - the Trinity, the duality of natures in Christ, types of Church organization. All these beliefs and practices have developed from the lived experience of the Christian people, an experience lived one hopes in the Spirit. As such the Bible, I think, is better studies in the context of a congregation, and the context of other reading. 	Following up on a suggestion of an old confessor of mine, I  would even suggest that a good novel is a good way to reflect on the christian life. [Most novels of any profundity are actually discussing the nature of good and evil in the human heart]. My own induction into the christian faith was brought about [after grace] through reading Graham Greene: _The Power and the Glory_ and the poetry of Gerard Manley Hopkins. I would also recommend Graham Greene's _Monsignor Quixote_ and any novel by Iris Murdoch. The last is not even a Christian, but such is her insistence on the need for the good life, that, frankly, I often am more uplifted and God directed after reading her than after reading many parts of the Bible. And that after all is what being a Christian is all about: letting your soul and your life be, in some way, directed towards the infinite, represented to us by the person of Jesus Christ.  Paul Halsall Halsall@murray.fordham.edu
From: wen-king@cs.caltech.edu (Wen-King Su) Subject: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ] Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: neptune.cs.caltech.edu  In article <1993Apr1.191826.28921@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:  <apparently you're not a woman - my husband hates the auto door locks >features, but forgets that besides families with children, a woman <feels safer in a car that locks easily (in addition to watching around >& checking out if anyone's near me when I get to my car - never park <in a secluded spot, etc - have my keys ready to open the door so I'm >not fumbling in my purse looking for them ....  This has me thinking.  Is there a biological reason why women can't put their keys in their pants pockets like men do?  I have two pockets on the back of each of my pants.  I put my keys in one and wallent in another. Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely. Everything is that much simpler for me.  Why can't women do the same? Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents? 
From: tlod_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Thede Loder) Subject: CD's for Sale Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Distribution: usa Lines: 21  I have the following CD's that I'd like to sell:  	M.O.D.  	Gross Misconduct 	Metal Giants	(at early metal compilation including Aerosmith,				Mountain, Blue Oyster Cult, Judus Priest, etc.) 	Metal Church 	Blessings in Disguise (excellent) 	Slayer 		Hell Awaits 	Anthrax 	Among the Living 	Whiplash	Power and Pain 	Dream Theater	Images and Words (Pull me under) 	Exodus		Fabulous Disaster (Heavy) 	Death Angel 	The Ultra Violence  (hard to find)  All CD's are in excellent condition (no scratches or skips).   After checking several similar articles, it seems the going rate is $8.  Hence CD's are $8.00 postage paid.  Please e-mail me if you are interested, as I rarely read these groups.  I'll ship asap after receiving cash, check or money order.  e-mail me for my snail-mail address.  tlod_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu  Rochester, NY 
From: Randy_Faneuf@vos.stratus.com Subject: Urine analysis Organization: Stratus Computer, Marlboro Ma. Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: m72.eng.stratus.com       Someone please help me. I am searching to find out (as many others may) an absolute 'cure' to removing all detectable traces of marijuana from a persons body. Is there a chemical or natural substance that can be ingested or added to urine to make it undetectable in urine analysis. If so where can these substances be found.               If you know this information, please Email me directly                               Thank You Kindly for your support,                            Randy                    
From: mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) Subject: Re: Dreams and out of body incidents Lines: 19  dt4%cs@hub.ucsb.edu (David E. Goggin) writes:  >1) Dreams and OOBEs are totally mental phenomena.  In this case no morality ... >2) Dreams and OOBEs have a reality of their own (i.e. are 'another plane') ... >3) Like (2), but here we assume that though the dreeam and OOBE environs have  >a >real existence, a different moral/ethics apply there, and no (or maybe  >different) moral laws apply there.   I can think of another alternative:  4)  OOBE's are a form of contact with the demonic world, whereby one  intentionally or unintentionally surrenders control of his or her perceptions  to spiritual beings whose purpose is to deceive and entrap them.  - Mark
From: golf@phoenix.oulu.fi (Jouko Kylmaoja) Subject: Finland-Norway in WC Organization: University of Oulu, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 12  	Finns had to do their best last night when they played against Norway in world champs. After two periods the score was still 0-0. This game was  quite much similar to the first game Finland played  (against France). The norwegian goalie was very good and a bit lucky, too. In the third period Juha Riihij{rvi scored 1-0 from a rebound, the time was around 5 mins or so. The second goal was scored by Kari Harila, who shot straight from a faceoff behind the Nowwegian goalie. Saku Koivu, the 18-year-old center got his first point of this tournament. Saku Koivu played very well througout the game and he was awarded the best player of the game- prize. Despite the fact that he is quite small in size he handles the puck very well and is a fast skater.  I think that we will hear from this guy in the future. 
From: boyle@bbsls23.bnr (Ian Boyle) Subject: Re: What is " Volvo " ? Organization: BNR Europe Ltd. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Reply-To: boyle@bbsls23.bnr NNTP-Posting-Host: bbsls23.bnr.co.uk  > And all of these cars are driven fairly hard. None of them are at the head of > a line of cars going 30 MPH....the first two spend a lot of their operating > life with the speedometer pegged...and the only reason the 84 doesn't is it has > a 120 MPH speedo... > What I want to know is....have all you people who hate Volvos been traumatized > by someone in a 745 Turbo wagon blowing you away on the road, or what?  740 Turbo in UK was good for 124mph. Useful for blowing away VW Beetles, though I believe the Beetle corners better.   I can say without any doubt that I have never been blown away by any Volvo, ever. I've been blocked into a few car parks though by shit-head Volvo owners who 'only thought they'd be a few minutes'. This does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car.  Not sure how long the small shit-box Volvos last - too damn long. The worst car I ever drove was a hired 340. In power, handling and ride it was reminiscent of something from the 50s, without the character. The 340 only ceased production a couple of years back. I've only been a passenger in the big Volvos, but that was enough. I ought to go for a test drive because they offer some neat gifts.    
From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger) Subject: Re: Borgward question Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.7 Reply-To: rapw20@email.sps.mot.com Organization: SPS Distribution: usa Lines: 13  In article <1r93m7INNnb3@shelley.u.washington.edu>   monet@carson.u.washington.edu (Diana Smith) writes: >  > My ex-husband & I used to own Borgwards.  > ... > even tho' they were > ugly - they had names - one was Humphrey Borgward.  That's pretty good.  A friend had an Audi that he named Murphy.  Mark
From: celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste) Subject: Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ] Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.158.16.248 Organization: AEGIS Lines: 56  In article <1pima2INN180@gap.caltech.edu>, wen-king@cs.caltech.edu (Wen-King Su) wrote: >  > In article <1993Apr1.191826.28921@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes: >  > <apparently you're not a woman - my husband hates the auto door locks > >features, but forgets that besides families with children, a woman > <feels safer in a car that locks easily (in addition to watching around > >& checking out if anyone's near me when I get to my car - never park > <in a secluded spot, etc - have my keys ready to open the door so I'm > >not fumbling in my purse looking for them .... >  > This has me thinking.  Is there a biological reason why women can't put > their keys in their pants pockets like men do?  I have two pockets on the > back of each of my pants.  I put my keys in one and wallent in another. > Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely. > Everything is that much simpler for me.  Why can't women do the same? > Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and > a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents?   Women's pants rarely have pockets and most, when they do, are too shallow to use!  I is very important for a woman to have her keys in her hand when she goes from building to a car. It is protect herself from would be assilants by broadcasting that this is someone who as a definite place of safty (ie a locked car!).  Puting keys and walet looks ugly! It breaks the lines and makes you rear look wide as a cows!   Also, to have the habits that work for any clothing situation, the pruse functions no mater what you are wearing! (even nude or a bikni)  A women's suit coat is lucky to have 2 pockets (2 on the outside, none on the inside). I have men's coats that have as much as 6 pockets! This is definitally not fair!!!  As one that wears both men's and women's clothes, I can tell you, women's clothes have few if any funtional pockets!  When dressed as a man, I put my wallet on my inside coat pocket and my keys in a coat outside pocket. It is much more covenent than the pants pockets and looks better.  Having a car that unlocks quickly and locks back fast is paramout to a woman's safty. Men don't see this as a problem. A woman is aware of this every time she goes out! (i.e. Image some red necks yelling at you "We are going to FUCK YOU!" and the out weight you by 20 lbs and have 3 inches in hight on you!)  If you want to find out why a women does something, LIVE AS ONE!  Celeste
Subject: Re: Picking up cable tv with an aerial. From: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter) Organization: Institut fuer Informatik Nntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch Lines: 11  Great, the first advantage of cheap coax, I've ever heard.  Cheers   Robert  (HB9NBY)  -- Robert Ganter			/------------\ Universitaet Basel		| I am a fan | Institut fuer Informatik	| of my plan | Basel/Switzerland		\------------/ ganter@ifi.unibas.ch amateurradio: HB9NBY	packet: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU
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From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) Subject: Re: LICENSE PLATES Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 16 Reply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu     In a previous article, edf003@marshall.wvnet.edu () says:  >>Hi, I'm interested in getting the list for license plate numbers.  If anyone >>has a listing I'd appreciate getting a copy of it.  Thanks! >> You must be _incredibly_ bored.  Have you considered reading the phone book? --   --  DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan    The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of       thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein          ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________
From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Purdue University Distribution: usa Lines: 5   sorry about that last post, my server neglected to send the message:   Can we please keep this group to AUTOMOTIVE topics. Thank you.  
From: zellner@stsci.edu Subject: Re: HST Servicing Mission Lines: 10 Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute Distribution: na  In article <1rrhlo$ajb@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.net (Pat) writes:  >  > After all the space walking,  they are going to  re-boost the HST's > orbit.  I think right now  it's sitting  at 180 miles up, > they would like  220.    Where did that idea come from?  It's news to me.  Ben 
From: yb025@uafhp..uark.edu (John Schiefer) Subject: Food coupons Summary: Deal of century Keywords: holmes Article-I.D.: moe.1pt03p$h08 Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu  Looking to save money?  I am your man.  I will mail you  $5 in food coupons for only$2.50.  Or you will get twice the dollar amount of coupons.  So mail $15 and get $30 dollars in coupons. Sounds like a great deal well it is.  Send SASE to 766 S.Elizabeth St. Salt Lake City, Utah 84102 enclose money in form of a money order.  Personally, I would not trust a person to send coupons after money is sent.  Well, let me earn your trust.  Send $1 dollar, and I'll send you your $2 in store coupons.   Then we'll talk more e-mail enquiries to yb025@uafhp.uark.edu  Thank you, John Schiefer
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: sgi Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com  In article <115793@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: |> In article <1qla0g$afp@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: >|> >I hope an Islamic Bank is something other than BCCI, which >|> >ripped off so many small depositors among the Muslim >|> >community in the Uk and elsewhere.  >|> Grow up, childish propagandist.  |>  |> >BBCI was an example of an Islamically owned and operated bank - |> >what will someone bet me they weren't "real" Islamic owners and |> >operators? |>  |> An Islamic bank is a bank which operates according to the rules |> of Islam in regard to banking. This is done explicitly by the |> bank. This was not the case with BCCI.  So now you are saying that an Islamic Bank is something other than BCCI.  Would you care to explain why it was that when I said  "I hope an  Islamic Bank is something other than BCCI", you called me a childish  propagandist.  jon.
From: pduggan@world.std.com (Paul C Duggan) Subject: Re: Baptism requires Faith Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 118  In article <May.12.04.26.21.1993.9879@athos.rutgers.edu> aaronc@athena.mit.edu (Aaron Bryce Cardenas) writes: >Colossians 2:11-12 "In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of >the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by Christ, having been >buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the >power of God, who raised him from the dead." > >In baptism, we are raised to a new life in Christ (Romans 6:4) through a >personal faith in the power of God.  Our parent's faith cannot do this.  Do >infants have faith?  Let's look at what the Bible has to say about it.  I don't think the issue of whether infants have faith is relevant or not. Certainly they *can*, as the example of John in utero proves. I find the translation of Col 2 above odd in terms of the circumcision of christ, which the KJV and RSV put in terms of Christ's cricumcision which we, in union with him *participate* in putting off the body of sins of the flesh.  Also, perhaps cor 2:12 is dividing the act of burial with him in baptism, which can be independant of faith, from the experience of rising with Christ by faith. Who says both are by faith? This interpretation has the advantage of explaining those who are faithlessly baptized, for whom their baptisim is not benefit, but serves to put them into the kingdom nonetheless.  Like the israelites (all of them, children included) who were baptized in the cloud and in the sea, it was of no advantage because they did not add to their baptism faith and obedience.  Baptism does not impart faith, nor is it done strictly speaking on the basis of the faith of the parent, but because of the covcenant promise of God. It imparts grace, the grace of the kingdom, which can be a punishement in disguise if there is later apostacy.   > >Romans 10:16-17 "But not all the Israelites accepted the good news.  For >Isaiah says, 'Lord, who has believed our message?'  Consequently, faith >comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word >of Christ." > >So then we receive God's gift of faith to us as we hear the message of the >gospel.  Faith is a possible response to hearing God's word preached.  Kids >are not yet spiritually, intellectually, or emotionally mature enough to >respond to God's word.  Hence they cannot have faith and therefore cannot >be raised in baptism to a new life.  Do you teach a child to pray the Lord's prayer? Do you expect them to not steal? They *can* have faith appropriate to their condition. And in the new covenant, we shall no longer say: know the lord, for they shall all know him from the least unto the greatest Heb 8:11.  >If you read all of Ezekiel 18, you will see that God doesn't hold us guilty >for anyone else's sins.  So we can have no original guilt from Adam.  But also according to Ezekiel 18, God will not hold innocent anyone on the basis of anyone elses innocense. Thus Jesus could not be our federal head any more than adam, *IF* that's what ezekiel is talking about. Shall you make ezekiel 18 contradict the second commandemnt as well?     > >Ezekiel 18:31-32 "Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committted, >and get a new heart and a new spirit.  Why will you die, O house of Israel? >For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. >Repent and live!" > >The way to please God is to repent and get a new heart and spirit.  Kids >cannot do this.  Acts 2:38-39 says that when we repent and are baptized, we >will then receive a new spirit, the Holy Spirit.  Then we shall live.  Ezekiel 36:25-26 indicates that this new heart will be given by God, in the context of the sprinkling of water in baptism. It is the action of God puting them into his new order, and not a question of"personal" faith as such.   >Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and >death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all >sinned--" > >Sin and death entered the world when the first man sinned.  Death came to >each man because each man sinned.  Note that it's good to read through all >of Romans 5:12-21.  Some of the verses are easier to misunderstand than >others, but if we read them in context we will see that they are all >saying basically the same thing.  Let's look at one such. > But the death that came to all because of sin is not just their personal death, but the dead state (originbal sin). We are in a covenant of death, because adam, our federal head gave over his dominion to the devil and death.   >Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother >conceived me." > >This whole Psalm is a wonderful example of how we should humble ourselves >before God in repentance for sinning.  David himself was a man after God's >own heart and wrote the Psalm after committing adultry with Bathsheba and >murdering her husband.  All that David is saying here is that he can't >remember a time when he wasn't sinful.  He is humbling himself before God >by confessing his sinfulness.  His saying that he was sinful at birth is >a hyperbole.  The Bible, being inspired by God, isn't limited to a literal >interpetation, but also uses figures of speech as did Jesus (John 16:25). >For another example of hyperbole, see Luke 14:26.  While this psalm is figurative in it's language, it is not hyperbolic, and the one does not necessarily imply the other. There is not other hyperbolic language in this psalm. What v 5 is likely refering to is  what is symbolized by the OT cleanliness laws (which make intercourse and childbrith both acts which caus uncleannes and seperation from God). The whole psalm is in the language of OT ritual (hyssop, cleansing, burnt offering, etc) David's sin with bathsheba included this element, as he did not ritually cleanse himself when he should have.   But what was symbolized by the OT ritual was the truth that sin was  passed generationally. That's why the organ of generation had to be cut. That's why brith was unclean. Uncleanness was death, and all babies were born dead, and needed to be washed to newness of life, which we have in baptism today.  paul duggan
From: alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee) Subject: Windows Speaker Sound Driver Summary: Where can I ftp it? Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. Lines: 7  Is there an ftp site where I can get the MS speaker sound driver?  There's a "sound.exe" file that claims to be the driver but I'm suspicious since it's not a .drv file.    Thanks  Alec Lee
From: steven.kipling@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Steven Kipling)  Subject: Re: ESPN broadcastsssss Reply-To: steven.kipling@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Steven Kipling)  Distribution: world Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241 Lines: 31   -=> Quoting Cire Y. Trehguad to All <=-    CYT> Hey I am in Iowa and I do not mind ESPN showing the PITT/NJD games.  CYT> At least I get to see the DEVILS...even if they are gettin there ass  CYT> kicked Perhaps they will score and even win a game or two   CYT> GO DEVILS   I am sorry to tell you this, but I don't think the devils will win a game against Pittsburg, the  Penguins have so many scoring threats that you shut down one and another will kill you It's too bad but I must conclude that the Penguins will win their third stanley cup in a row. I hope someone will beat them, but I just cannot see it happening.   S t e v e      ... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12                                                             
From: mcgoy@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu (David McGaughey) Subject: Re: THE POPE IS JEWISH! Organization: Texas Tech University Lines: 12  west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: > THE POPE IS JEWISH  I always thought that the Pope was a bear.  You know, because of that little saying:  Does a bear shit in the woods? Is the Pope Catholic?  There MUST be SOME connection between those two lines! 
From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Re: Yeah, Right Lines: 30  Benedikt Rosenau writes:  >And what about that revelation thing, Charley?  If you're talking about this intellectual engagement of revelation, well, it's obviously a risk one takes.  >Many people say that the concept of metaphysical and religious knowledge >is contradictive.  I'm not an objectivist, so I'm not particularly impressed with problems of conceptualization.  The problem in this case is at least as bad as that of trying to explain quantum mechanics and relativity in the terms of ordinary experience.  One can get some rough understanding, but the language is, from the perspective of ordinary phenomena, inconsistent, and from the perspective of what's being described, rather inexact (to be charitable).  An analogous situation (supposedly) obtains in metaphysics; the problem is that the "better" descriptive language is not available.  >And in case it holds reliable information, can you show how you establish >that?  This word "reliable" is essentially meaningless in the context-- unless you can show how reliability can be determined. --  C. Wingate        + "The peace of God, it is no peace,                   +    but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu +  Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe       +    the marv'lous peace of God."
From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris ) Subject: Re: Wings take game one Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41      In  <1qvos8$r78@cl.msu.>, vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) writes... >  The Detroit Red Wings put a lot of doubter on ice tonight with a 6 - 3 >washing of the Toronto Maple Leafs.  All you Toronto fans have now seen the >power of the mighty Red Wing offense.  Toronto's defense in no match for the >Wing offense.  As for the defense, Probert, Kennedey and Primeau came out >hitting hard.  Toronto players were being thrown left and right.  Not even >Wendell Clark was tough enough for the Wings tough guys.  The Wings only gave >up three goals, a low total for what they say is a mediocre defense. >  All you Leaf fans better speak up now.  You team will probable have its >season ended soon.  Wings fans, keep up the support.  There's quite a few Wings fans lurking about here, they just tend to be low key and thoughtful rather than woofers.  I suppose every family must have a Roger Clinton, though.  But remember (to paraphrase one of my favorite Star Trek lines), "if we adopt the ways of the Leaf fans, we are as bad as the Leaf fans".  Ron  ********** "And one of my major goals is to leave the next president a new set of things to worry about.  I'm getting bored reading the same problems in the paper, decade after decade.  I want people to have to deal with new problems."                     ... President Bill Clinton   2-4-93
From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 42  Wayne Alan Martin <wm1h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >Excerpts from netnews.sci.electronics: 16-Apr-93 Re: What do Nuclear >Site's .. by R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.  >> From: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com >> Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? >> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:27:21 PDT >>   >> In article: <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> >>         swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) wrote: >> >I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that >> >this board would be most appropriate. >> >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that >> >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders >> >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the >> >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called >> >'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? >Great Explaination, however you left off one detail, why do you always >see them at nuclear plants, but not always at fossil fuel plants.  At >nuclear plants it is prefered to run the water closed cycle, whereas >fossil fuel plants can in some cases get away with dumping the hot >water.  As I recall the water isn't as hot (thermodynamically) in many >fossil fuel plants, and of course there is less danger of radioactive >contamination.         Actually, fossil fuel plants run hotter than the usual  boiling-water reactor nuclear plants.  (There's a gripe in the industry that nuclear power uses 1900 vintage steam technology).  So it's more important in nuclear plants to get the cold end of the system as cold as possible.  Hence big cooling towers.           Oil and gas fired steam plants also have condensers, but they usually are sized to get the steam back into hot water, not most of the way down to ambient.  Some plants do cool the condensers with water, rather than air; as one Canadian official, asked about "thermal  pollution" de-icing a river, said, "Up here, we view heat as a resource".           Everybody runs closed-cycle boilers.  The water used is  purified of solids, which otherwise crud up the boiler plumbing when the water boils.  Purifying water for boiler use is a bigger job than  cooling it, so the boiler water is recycled.  					John Nagle
From: baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (baden de bari) Subject: ***] SEGA 3-D GLASSES WANTED!!! Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Lines: 17            Does anyone have a pair of Sega 3-d glasses they're willing to part with?  Or know of anywhere to acquire a pair, as they don't have  them around here!!!                           Thanks.       _________________________________________________   Inspiration  |   ___                             |   comes to     |  \   o  baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |   those who    | (  ^  ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca |   seek the     |   /-\      =] Baden de Bari [=    |   unknown.     |                                   |   -------------------------------------------------    
From: pledge@netcom.com (Alan McLachlan) Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Pocket Ethernet Adapter Keywords: ETHERNET Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 12  In article <pledgeC646Fu.MuE@netcom.com> pledge@netcom.com (Alan McLachlan) writes: >Xircom Pocket Ethernet Adapter >Connects any PC with a parallel port to the network > >Make offer > Note: The device has never been used (IE: still in plastic) and is 10baseT --       .sig under construction -- send suggestions to pledge@netcom.com   
From: pspod@bigbird.lerc.nasa.gov (Steve Podleski) Subject: Re: Founding Father questions Nntp-Posting-Host: bigbird.lerc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio] Lines: 21  arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes: >Wasn't she the one making the comment in '88 about George being born with >a silver foot in his mouth?  Sounds like another damn politician to me. > >Ain't like the old days in Texas anymore.  The politicians may have been >corrupt then, but at least they'd take a stand.  (My apologies to a few >exceptions I can think of.)   > >News now is that the House may already have a two-thirds majority, so  >her "opposition" out of her concern for image (she's even said this >publicly) may not matter.  Do people expect the Texans congressmen to act as the N.J. Republicans did? --   ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Podleski			|     phone: 216-433-4000 NASA Lewis Research Center     	|     Cleveland, Ohio  44135         	|     email: pspod@gonzo.lerc.nasa.gov  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
From: hickson@pop.psu.edu (Darryl Hickson) Subject: Cordless Telephone & Answering Machine FOR SALE Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute Lines: 15 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: zelinsky.pop.psu.edu  I have a few just bought a new phone/answering machine combo so I really don't need my present setup. Both items are in great condition. Prices DO NOT include shipping. If you have any questions contact me by E-Mail or call me at (814)234-4439.  Darryl  ======================================================================== Toshiba FT6000 Cordless Phone                                       $40   - Rubber antenna, 10 number memory  AT&T 6300 Answering Machine                                         $35   - Remote operation (Message Retrieval, Reset, OGM change)   - Toll saving feature   - Single tape operation
From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang) Subject: SLR camera,zoom for sale Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 5  Great SLR camera (Ricoh) for sale. Has all the Nikon FE features, and also shutter speeds form 16 seconds and down. Excellent condition. With accessories such as a zoom lens. Very reasonable price.  Send e-mail.
From: Mark@tdkt.kksys.com (MARK STEIGER) Subject: Minnesota Shame? Lines: 30  SH>I'm a hockey fan from way back, and maintain an interest as best I can   >here in the hockey hinterlands (Oklahoma).  I'm hoping I can get a   >reading from some of you about the move of the North Stars to Dallas.  SH>I've been under the impression that Minnesota was one of, or possibly,   >THE hockey state in the U.S.  So why is the team moving to a city in   >Texas?  Is it that the owner is a greedy, self-serving profiteer, or   >were the Stars really not making a profit?  Or was the city or whoever   >owned the arena doing some price gouging?  SH>As much as I'd like to see the NHL only a 3 hour drive from me, I   >can't help but feel for the people in Minnesota, unless they truly   >didn't support the team.  SH>Opinions, please.  I used to work for the Stars.  Minnesota supported the team to an extent.  When I was there, we had quite afew sellouts (This was the season after the cup run and during the finals).  Norm's main bitch was that there wasn't enough luxury suites.  And, the ones he had were not always full.  He wanted more boxes and wanted them full.  He was just asking for too much from people that could go and see other hockey games at High Schools for $5 or college for about $10 that would probably be better.  Mark    QMPro 1.01 41-6393  Radioactive cats are very, very HOT!   * Origin: Origin Line Not Defined In GOEDIT (1:282/4018)
From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) Subject: Re: AudiWatch Update (Tm) #11 Organization: Brandeis University Lines: 17  In article <1993Apr2.194838.13476@news.cs.brandeis.edu> andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes: >In article <1993Apr2.181037.11188@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes: >>powell@interlan.interlan.com (Glen D. Powell) writes:  >>The kind of corporate raiding apparently undertaken by VW is shameful. > >Agreed.  However, the particular execs had been working with Iggy for >many years and had left GM Europe to go to Detroit.  With their raison >-andy  I was out of date.  VW is stealing execs directly from Opel, independent of Lopez.  Shameful.  -andy   
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Philosophy Quest.  How Boldly? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 25  In article <1993Apr30.164327.8663@hemlock.cray.com> bobo@thejester.cray.com (Bob Kierski) writes: >...Over the years we have decided that certain >cultures need improvements.  The native americans is a good example.  Prior >to our attempt to civilize them, the native american culture had very >little crime, no homelessnes, no poverty...  This is, shall we say, an overly-broad statement.  In particular, are you referring to the native American culture that existed in 1400, or the one that existed in 1800?  (Simplify things by assuming we're talking about the eastern US rather than the whole continent.)  Given that those were *radically* different cultures, which one are you referring to?  >...If we encounter life elsewhere, do we tell them they have to live in >houses, farm the land and go to church on sunday?  Note that the pre-Columbian native Americans, east of the Mississippi, did all of these things.  (Well, maybe not "on Sunday", but they did have organized religions, not to mention cities and governments.)  If you are judging the native Americans by the tribal culture that existed in 1800, you might want to read an account of the De Soto expedition to find out what pre-Columbian native American culture, at least in the more civilized parts of the continent, was like. --  SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision   | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology between SVR3 and SunOS.    - Dick Dunn  |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: heart@access.digex.com (G) Subject: cholistasis(sp?)/fat-free diet/pregnancy!! Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 80 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net  Hi,  I've just returned from a visit with my OB/GYN and I have a few  concerns that maybe y'all can help me with.  I've been seeing  her every 4 weeks for the past few months (I'm at week 28)  and during the last 2 visits I've gained 9 to 9 1/2 pounds every  4 weeks.  She said this was unacceptable over any 4 week period.  As it stands I've thus far gained 26 pounds.  Also she says that  though I'm at 28 weeks the baby's size is 27 weeks, I think she  mentioned 27 inches for the top of the fundus.  When I was 13  weeks the baby's size was 14 weeks.  I must also add, that I had  an operation a few years ago for endometriosis and I've had no  problems with endometriosis but apparently it is causing me pain  in my pelvic region during the pregnancy, and I have a very  difficult time moving, and the doc has recommended I not walk or  move unless I have to. (I have a little handicapped sticker for  when I do need to go out.)   Anyway that's 1/2 of the situation the other is that almost from  the beginning of pregnancy I was getting sick (throwing up) about  2-3 times a day and mostly it was bile that was being eliminated.   (I told her about this).  I know this because I wasn't eating  very much due to the nausea and could see the 'results'.  Well  now I only get sick about once every 1-2 weeks, and it is still bile  related.  But in addition I had begun to feel movement near my  upper right abdomen, just below the right breast, usually when I  was lying on my right side.  It began to get worse though because  it started to hurt when I lay on my right side, and then it hurt   no matter what position I was in.  Next, I noticed that when I  ate greasy or fatty foods I felt like my entire abdomen had  turned to stone, and the pain in the area got worse.  However if  I ate sauerkraut or vinegar or something to 'cut' the fat it  wasn't as much of a problem.  So the doctor says I have cholistatis, and that I should avoid  fatty foods.  This makes sense, and because I was already aware  of what seemed to me this cause and effect relationship I have  been avoiding these foods on my own.  But I'm still able to eat  foods with Ricotta cheese for instance and other low fat foods.    But doc wants me to be on a non-fat diet.  This means no meat  except fish and chicken w/o skin (I do this anyway).  No nuts,  fried food, cheese etc.  I am allowed skim milk.  She said I  should avoid anything sweet (e.g. bananas).  Also I must only  have one serving of something high in carbohydrates a day (  potatoes, pasta, rice)!  She said I can't even cook vegetables in  a little bit of oil and that I should eat vegetables raw or  steamed.  I'm concerned because I understand you need to have  some fat in your diet to help in the digestive process.  And if  I'm not taking in fat, is she expecting the baby will take it  from my stores?  And why this restriction on carbohydrates if  she's concerned about fat?  I'm not clear how much of her  recommendation is based on my weight gain and how much on  cholistatis, which I can't seem to find any information on.  She  originally said that I should only gain 20 pounds during the  entire pregnancy since I was about 20 lbs overweight when I  started.  But my sister gained 60 lbs during her pregnancy and  she's taken it all off and hasn't had any problems.  She also  asked if any members of my family were obese, which none of them  are.  Anyway I think she is overly concerned about weight gain,  and feel like I'm being 'punished' by a severe diet.  She did  want to see me again in one week so I think she the diet may be  temporary for that one week.   What I want to know is how reasonable is this non-fat diet?  I  would understand if she had said low-fat diet, since I'm trying  that anyway, even if she said really low-fat diet.  I think she  assumes I must be eating a high-fat diet, but really it is that  because of the endometriosis and the operation I'm not able to  use the energy from the food I do eat.   Any opinions, info and experiences will be appreciated.  I'm  truly going stark raving mad trying to meet this new strict diet  because fruits and vegetables go through my system in a few  minutes and I'll end up having to eat constantly.  Thus far I  don't find any foods satisfying.  Thanks   G
From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) Subject: Re: TV RECEPTION:  HEELLLPPP!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 14  At 50 miles, a conventional set of TV antennas on a pole (one aimed at each transmitter location) should work well.  "Rabbit ears" inside the house are probably not adequate.  Gadgets to plug into your house wiring are even worse. At VHF, you don't want a _big_ antenna, you want a _resonant_ antenna.    --  :-  Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist        :    ***** :-  Artificial Intelligence Programs      mcovingt@ai.uga.edu :  ********* :-  The University of Georgia              phone 706 542-0358 :   *  *  * :-  Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A.     amateur radio N4TMI :  ** *** **  <><
From: duncan@ (Nicholas Duncan) Subject: Where's Roger? Nntp-Posting-Host: burrito Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd Lines: 9  I really feel the need for a knowledgable hockey observer to explain this year's playoffs to me. I mean, the obviously superior Toronto team with the best center and the best goalie in the league keeps losing. What gives?  --  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------           I stand by all the misstatements that I've made. 		-- Vice President Dan Quayle to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/89  Me Too -- Nick Duncan <duncan@mprgate.mpr.ca>
From: prb@access.digex.net (Pat) Subject: Re: HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 95 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net  In article <1993Apr30.145450.1@stsci.edu> hathaway@stsci.edu writes: >..  >>  >> After all the space walking,  they are going to  re-boost the HST's >> orbit.  I think right now  it's sitting  at 180 miles up, >> they would like  220.  I don't know the exact orbit numbers. 					^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >As Ben says - this re-boost idea is all news to us here.  Do you know  >something we don't?  Please supply a source - it would be nice for  >the schedulers of observations to know where the thing is going to  >be.  These altitude numbers are also way off.   > >My best source has:  >"Minimum ST ALTITUDE in the PMDB is:    573 Kilometers" >"Maximum ST ALTITUDE in the PMDB is:    603 Kilometers" >"Delta   ST ALTITUDE in the PMDB is:      3 Kilometers"  > >(PMDB is Proposal Management Data Base - used to schedule observations.)  >.. >  I am sure your numbers are far better then mine.  As i said above, i don't have exact numbers.  >> In order to perform the re-boost of the HST, the OMS engines >> will be fired for a long period.  Now the shuttle is a heavy >> thing.  THe HST isn't light either.  THe amount of OMS fuel >> needed to fly both up is substantial.   a small booster >> carried up and used to boost HST on it's own will weigh significantly >> less then the OMS fuel required to Boost  both HST and SHUttle, >> for a given orbital change.   >>  > >Could you supply some calculations?  You might check some recent  >postings that explained that 'a small booster' as suggested does  >not now exist, so comparing the mass of something that doesn't  >exist to the mass of the OMS fuel seems impossible.  The contamination  >threat also remains.   >  How different would the contamination threat of a small manuevering tug be from that of the Shuttle and it's OMS engines??????  I know that no small manuevering tug exists,  but maybe  one could soup up a Bus 1.   Does anyone out there have the de-clasified specs on hte BUS 1?  would it be able to provide enough  control force to balance the HST,  and  still have the rocket thrust to hurl her into a decent high orbit?  >..  >>  >> or the HST could even get placed into  some sort of medium orbit. >> The reason they want a high orbit, is less antenna pointing, >> and longer drag life. >>  >  Longer drag life I can understand, but could you explain the  >antenna pointing?    Sorry,  that should be intrument pointing.  > >> Whatever it is,  the problem in the tilt array is a big constraint >> on HST ops. > >Tell me about it.  Although the arrays can be (and are) moved perfectly  >well utilizing the second electronics box.  Getting them both working  >is much desireable so as to reclaim redundancy.    Plus, if the second box gets fritzy, you could be in shitter ville real fast.  > >I don't mean to jump on you - helpful suggestions are always welcome  >and we all know the more ideas the better, but I do want the true  >situation to be described clearly and correctly, lest some get  >confused.  > >Regards,  >Wm. Hathaway   The problem is no-one seems to have the exact numbers.  When the mission was planned originally at 3 spacewalks,  and 3 astronauts,  there was enormous concern over the mass margins for the flight.  THey have now planned for 5 EVA's,  an 11 day mission and have 2 reserve EVA's and an emergency EVA.  Obviously that is coming from somewhere. My guess is the OMS burn  fuel,  or  re-boost  margin.     I just figured, if GOldin wants to really,  prove out faster, cheaper better,   have some of the whiz kids  slap together an expendable space manuevering tug  out of a BUs1,  and use that for the re-boost. it has to be better then using the Discovery as a tow truck.  pat 
From: fraseraj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew J Fraser) Subject: Religious wars Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. Lines: 33  I don't know if this is the sort of thing you guys like to discuss.  I guess it falls into the area of apologetics.  This is a question that seems to pop up now and again in conversations with non-christians.  It usually appears in the following sort of unqualified statement: "Well you know that religion has caused more wars than anything else" It bothers me that I cannot seem to find a satisfactory response to this. After all if our religion is all about peace and love why have there been so many religious wars?   Personally I am of the view that religion has often been used as an excuse to instigate wars often to disguise national ambitions but I would love to hear what anyone else has to say about this subject.   Thanks in advance   Andrew J Fraser  (If we're thinking in terms of history, the Crusades, Northern Ireland, Yugoslavia(?) come immediately to mind)  northern Ireland, Yugoslavia (?     --  ========================================================================= ||     Name: Andrew James Fraser  E-mail: fraseraj@dcs.gla.ac.uk       || ||     ESE-3H student, University of Glasgow.			       || ||     Standard disclaimers...                                         ||  [I'm beginning to suspect that the natural condition of humans is conflict.  Perhaps we should not ask whether a religion or philosophy has been involved in any wars -- since they all have -- but whether it has stopped any.  --clh]
From: etxmst@sta.ericsson.se (Markus Strobl 98121) Subject: Renting from Alamo	 Nntp-Posting-Host: st83.ericsson.se Reply-To: etxmst@sta.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Telecom AB Lines: 20  Hello netters!  I'm visiting the US (I'm from Sweden) in August. I will probably rent a Chevy Beretta from Alamo. I've been quoted $225 for a week/ $54 for additional days.  This would include free driving distance, but not local taxes (Baltimore).  They also told me all insurance thats necessary is included, but I doubt that,  'cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more insurance than what's included in the base price. But on the other hand he didn't rent it from Alamo.  Does anyone have some info on this?  Is $225 a rip-off?  Probability that I'll be needing more insurance? Is the beretta a good rental car?  Thanx  Markus 
From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Re: Gospel Dating Lines: 48  >So then, you require the same amount of evidence to believe that I  >a) own a pair of bluejeans and b) have superhuman powers?  Well, I could use the argument that some here use about "nature" and claim that you cannot have superhuman powers because you are a human; superhuman powers are beyond what a human has, and since you are a human, any powers you have are not beyond those of a human.  Hence, you cannot have superhuman powers.  Sound good to you?  Anyway, to the evidence question: it depends on the context.  In this group, since you are posting from a american college site, I'm willing to take it as given that you have a pair of blue jeans.  And, assuming there is some coherency in your position, I will take it as a given that you do not have superhuman powers.  Arguments are evidence in themselves, in some respects.  >When you say the "existence of [ sic ] Jesus", I assume that you  >mean just the man, without any special powers, etc.  Yep.  >Many will agree that it is very possible that a man called Jesus DID  >in fact live. In fact, I am willing to agree that there was some man named  >Jesus. I have no reason to believe that there wasn't ever a man.  Good.  >However, most of the claims ARE extradinary: eg virgin birth  >[ virgin in the sense of not having any sexual intercourse ], resurection,  >Son of God, etc. THOSE claims require extra evidence.  "Extra" evidence?  Why don't we start with evidence at all?  I cannot see any evidence for the V. B. which the cynics in this group would ever accept.  As for the second, it is the foundation of the religion. Anyone who claims to have seen the risen Jesus (back in the 40 day period) is a believer, and therefore is discounted by those in this group; since these are all ancients anyway, one again to choose to dismiss the whole thing.  The third is as much a metaphysical relationship as anything else-- even those who agree to it have argued at length over what it *means*, so again I don't see how evidence is possible.  I thus interpret the "extraordinary claims" claim as a statement that the speaker will not accept *any* evidence on the matter. --  C. Wingate        + "The peace of God, it is no peace,                   +    but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu +  Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe       +    the marv'lous peace of God."
From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing Lines: 38 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad2.admin.uh.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 In-Reply-To: donb@netcom.com's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 17:10:52 GMT  In <donbC5sL24.Ewu@netcom.com> donb@netcom.com writes:  > Anyway, here's how I see the Waco affair; I'd be interested in other peoples' > interpretations... >  > 1. Koresh and his people were basically minding their own business. > 2. Some weapons violations may have been committed and I wouldn't have >    disapproved of prosecuting him for those violations.  However, I think >    the BATF was criminal for starting negotiations with a military style >    assault and for firing into a house where there were children and other >    noncombatants. > 3. I don't see they couldn't just leave a token guard on the place and wait >    the BDs out; I don't approve of the tear gas approach and, if it caused >    the fire to be started, I think the FBI agent responsible should spend >    10-20 years in jail.    I think the legal term would be "negligent homicide"  > 4. However, if Koresh's response to the tear gas was to kill everyone there, >    I hold him largely responsible for their deaths.     Well, it's nice to see someone with a brain, a general lack of paranoia, and a willingness to put his thoughts in public.  I tend to agree with all you have said.    "Never assume foul motives when stupidity will do." -- Jim's Corrolary to  						          Occam's Razor  semper fi,  Jammer Jim Miller  Texas A&M University '89 and '91 ________________________________________________________________________________  I don't speak for UH, which is too bad, because they could use the help.      "Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."  "Power finds its way to those who take a stand.  Stand up, Ordinary Man."           ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph 		              
From: georgeh@gjhsun (George H) Subject: Re: President Trophy winner missing playoffs ??? Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: gjhsun.cl.msu.edu  jstrangi@hora.seas.upenn.edu (Jim Strangio) writes:  >In article <13APR93.17376172.0059@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CCDB@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CCDB000) writes:  >When was the last time a President's Trophy winner fell to last place >the following year?  A long time, I'd bet. >--  Well I think it in 1969 the Montreal Canadians finished 1st (although there was no President's cup in those days) and missed the playoffs  in 1970. I do recall that the 1970 playoff picture wasn't decided until the final day, when the NY Rangers defeated the RedWings. The tie-breaker was the number of goals for (if I remember correctly), so the Rangers played with an empty net for the entire game. Some Hab loyalists accused  the Wings of 'throwing' the game to keep them out, but as I recall,  Gordie and Delvecchio had the flu, so coach Sid Abel sat them out, and the Rangers swarmed the RedWings most of the night. 
From: kjetilk@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjetil Kolin) Subject: Proteced Mode Organization: University of Tromsoe Lines: 1  I'm looking for information how W-NT uses Proteced Mode. (The HW support)
From: truesdal@david.wheaton.edu (Phil Truesdale) Subject: MGB questions Summary: Need pre-purchase help Organization: Wheaton College, IL Distribution: na Lines: 35  My son is considering the purchase of a 71 MGB, which has been substantially restored.  The odometer has rolled over, but we can't be sure of the actual mileage.  The engine and drive train apparently weren't touched in the restoration, except for a new carb and a few hoses.  He plans to do vacuum and compression checks to see what they might tell us about the engine.  The body and undercarriage have no visible rust, the interior is new, as are tires, front brakes (not sure about the back), battery, bumpers and other misc parts. The paint is checked in a few places, and scuffed here and there, allegedly by a wind-blown car cover.  It seemed to handle OK, except for soft front shocks. Questions:  Are there problem areas common to MGBs we should check out?  The brakes seem soft and rather ineffective; what should we expect in the way of braking action?  It seemed to be "doggy" when accelerating from a stop.  What should we expect it to do, given the 4-cylinder engine?  The top is in place, but will not reach a number of the snaps.  The weather was cold.  Should the vinyl stretch and fit when it warms up, or is it forever shrunk?  Is it normal for the wire wheels to be painted, or are they usually chromed?  Given this rather limited description, what would be a reasonable price?  Gee, this turned out to be a little long--sorry.  While my brother once owned an XK120 Jag (what a car!) we're obviously not into sports cars.  Any help with these questions, or suggestions on other things to investigate would surely be appreciated.  Phil Truesdale truesdal@david.wheaton.edu 
From: mfischer@ucsd.edu (Mike Fischer) Subject: Re: Challenge to Microsoft supporters. Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin1-39-1.extern.ucsd.edu  In article <strobl.737652964@gmd.de> strobl@gmd.de (Wolfgang Strobl) writes:  >This is indeed true. I prefer Windows NT. It is certainly much better >than Microsoft Windows 3.1/DOS.  How do you like it compared to OS/2 2.x?  -->> Mike
From: fmg@alpha.smi.med.pitt.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: Switching PS questions Summary: I know basics, !commercial models, 3Qs Organization: Medical Informatics, Pittsburgh, PA USA Lines: 43   	Greetings. I've recently decided to chuck the linear regulators 	and learn the "black magic" art of switching power supplies... 	(before anyone flames me, I KNOW, both have their place :-)  	Anyways, I've built the basic up & down converters with pretty 	good results (>80% efficiency) but I'm running into problems 	when I try to design & build anything that puts out serious 	amps... I know it can be done (I have some 5V@200A guts on my 	bench) but something puzzles me: I'm using a simple choke as  	the storage element (basicly a toroid with a single winding) 	but ALL commercial models use transformers with MANY windings. 	I traced a few and they seem to use some of the winding for 	the usual error/feedback but some of the others seem to loose 	me... What are they for? Better than that, anyone have a full 	schematic for one of these that I could get a copy of? I'd 	love to see how they manage to squeeze out so much from such 	low volume :-)  	My other problems (in getting high amps & good efficiency) are 	1) Lack of sources of ideal components (calculated) and 2) 	Limited knowledge of the whole topic... I'm doing this on my 	own (not school) mind you (in fact, I have yet to take any 	course that covers transistors ;-)  	So, is the answer to #1 the accumulation of dead commercial 	models and truning into a scavanger (not that it's not what 	I'm doing now...) and #2 getting & understanding schematics 	and a bit more of the [mind-boggling] theory?   	Take care.  	P.S. My goal is 12V @ ~25A in (car battery) -> 250VAC out and 	(on the other end) 250V -> +5VDC @ 5A, -5V @ 1A, +12VDC @8A 	and -12VDC @1A... the distance between the two will be 	more than 100 feet (of 14-16 gauge) but less than 300 feet. 	Would like to have a working model in a year or so... :-)  	(Do I have a chance to make it?) --  / Filip "I'll buy a vowel" Gieszczykiewicz. | Best e-mail "fmgst+@pitt.edu"  \ | All ideas are mine but they can be yours for only $0.99 so respond NOW!!!! |  | I live for my EE major, winsurfing, programming, SCA, and assorted dreams. | \ 200MB Drive - Linux has 100MB and MS-DOS has 100MB. MS-DOS is worried ;-)  /
From: ryner@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ryan Tamm) Subject: Re: CD's For Sale Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 1  If you paid $19.95 for a CD, you're a fool and you got ripped off.
Nntp-Posting-Host: fac-csr.byu.edu Lines: 24 From: ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) Subject: Why is my mouse so JUMPY?  (MS MOUSE) Organization: Fine Arts and Communications -- Brigham Young University  I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20  I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better).  Vertical motion  is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click  on something because my mouse jumps around.  I can be moving the mouse to  the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly  for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump  again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!).  This is crazy!  I have  never had so much trouble with a mouse before.  Anyone have any solutions?    Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam!   --- Sean Eckton Computer Support Representative College of Fine Arts and Communications  D-406 HFAC Brigham Young University Provo, UT  84602 (801)378-3292  hfac_csr@byu.edu ecktons@ucs.byu.edu
From: beezer@cc.utah.edu (BEEZER) Subject: [FORSALE]:  WEDDING DRESS -- SIZE 9 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1   Organization: Salt Lick, UT Distribution: usa Lines: 5   For a SIZE 9 wedding dress with lots of beads, inquire at 801-269-1157 MST (Utah).  $9OO paid; asking $45O.
From: jkaidor@synoptics.com (Jerome Kaidor) Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Qu Reply-To: jkaidor@synoptics.com Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: picasso.synoptics.com       Just a few comments about the feasability of zipping up a bunch of miles on your electronic odometer with an oscillator....      I wouldn't expect to be able to do this.  Not because the engineers at BMW are putting in anti-fraud logic, but just because an automobile is a noisy, hostile environment for electronics, and I would expect the software to be conservative.     If I were to design a microprocessor-based odometer/speedometer program, it would have the following features ( just off the top of my head ):           * Debouncing/deglitching  ( Is this a real pulse, or just a glitch? )          * Smoothing:  The rate-of-change of speed cannot be too high:                                 This is a car, not an electron.          *  Top speed limit:  Anything above 200MPH is ridiculous: must be                                         electrical noise or contact bounce      As for getting in and presetting the pins:  if this is the circuit board out of a BMW dashboard, I seem to remember a single big chip with lotsa pins in the middle of the card.  Good luck getting at the counter :-).      I wouldn't expect a high input frequency to damage the meter:  remember, it's probably damped so it can't move too fast, and is probably protected.  After all, a car is an extremely hostile place for delicate electronics;  there used to be an app note in the National Semiconductor Linear Databook that went into this in good detail.                                 - Jerry Kaidor ( tr2!jerry@dragoman.com, jkaidor@synoptics.com )                                     - Jerry Kaidor
From: pjhicks@acri.fr (Peter J. Hicks) Subject: Re: Lead Acid batteries & Concrete? Reply-To: pjhicks@acri.fr Organization: Advanced Computer Research Institute Lines: 42  In article 3nx@athena.cs.uga.edu, mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: >In article <1993Apr21.204556.21262@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> camter28@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carter Ames) writes: >> >>  Why does a lead acid battery discharge and become dead (totally unuseable) >>when stored on a concrete floor?   >>  I decided to bring the battery in from the lawn mower and the motorcycle >>from the unheated garage this year, *to preserve them* and I just >>went to use them and noticed that not only do they not work, but  >>they act like the two terminals are shorted.  I asked a friend >>and he said that you should never do that, 'cause it ruins them, >>but he couldn't tell me why. > >This topic was beaten to death a year or so ago.  It seems to me that the original question was for advice on his problem not a history lesson - I think that  if this question comes up from time to time then people should get a civil answer    >  >The concrete is not the problem.  > >Lead-acid batteries often fail from disuse (not being charged for a long >time), but there's no way the concrete floor could be the cause of the >problem.  Could ANYONE please explain WHAT happens with a battery and is there any cure to get it back into life    >   >--  >:-  Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist        :    ***** >:-  Artificial Intelligence Programs      mcovingt@ai.uga.edu :  ********* >:-  The University of Georgia              phone 706 542-0358 :   *  *  * >:-  Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A.     amateur radio N4TMI :  ** *** **  <><    
From: shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) Subject: Re: Space Research Spin Off In-Reply-To: prb@access.digex.com's message of 6 Apr 1993 14:06:57 -0400 Organization: NASA Dryden, Edwards, Cal. 	<pgf.734062799@srl03.cacs.usl.edu> 	<SHAFER.93Apr6094402@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> <1psgs1$so4@access.digex.net> Lines: 38  On 6 Apr 1993 14:06:57 -0400, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) said:  Pat> In article <SHAFER.93Apr6094402@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov> Pat> shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes:  >successful we were.  (Mind you, the Avro Arrow and the X-15 were both >fly-by-wire aircraft much earlier, but analog.) >  Pat> Gee, I thought the X-15 was Cable controlled.  Didn't one of them Pat> have a total electrical failure in flight?  Was there machanical Pat> backup systems?  All reaction-controlled aircraft are fly-by-wire, at least the RCS part is.  On the X-15 the aerodynamic control surfaces (elevator, rudder, etc) were conventionally controlled (pushrods and cables) but the RCS jets were fly-by-wire.  |The NASA habit of acquiring second-hand military aircraft and using |them for testbeds can make things kind of confusing.  On the other |hand, all those second-hand Navy planes give our test pilots a chance |to fold the wings--something most pilots at Edwards Air Force Base |can't do.    Pat> What do you mean?  Overstress the wings, and they fail at teh Pat> joints?  Navy aircraft have folding or sweeping wings, in order to save space on the hangar deck.  The F-14 wings sweep, all the rest fold the wingtips up at a joint.  Air Force planes don't have folding wings, since the Air Force has lots of room.  -- Mary Shafer  DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov                    Of course I don't speak for NASA  "A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all."  Unknown US fighter pilot
Organization: Penn State University From: Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Subject: Re: BUFFALO 4, Boston 0: Defense!!  <1r49s8$q8b@hsdndev.harvard.edu> <BSON.93Apr22060320@nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu>  <1r8tgh$lfi@hsdndev.harvard.edu> Lines: 54  In article <1r8tgh$lfi@hsdndev.harvard.edu>, nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) says: >The Fat Lady is about to hit the first note...Okay,how about 3-0 deficits? >The B's chances for a comeback are now less 1%(That's based on 7-game >playoff format)...  Actually, that's based on the NHL's history of 7 games.  The statstical odds of winning one straight game -- 50/50.  Two straight games -- 25%.  Three straight games -- 12.5%, 4 straight games = 6.25%.  The odds of the Penguins winning 14 straight games in the playoffs was 0.0061%.  Of course, this doesn't include weighted average, but the Pens beating the Devils 3 straight (a weaker team) along with beating the Rangers 3 straight (a much stronger team) has made the act balanced out.  That's about right.  For Boston the odds of winning are probably closer to 10% (with weighted average) since Buffalo's record isn't as good and Boston has a stronger team.  Enough about my QBA probabilities though! It's just goes to prove ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, if you integrate that to Debbie Gibson :-)  >>   Who do you think gets the start in game three? I hope it is going >>to be Blue. If the team can rally around him, maybe Moog can too.  Moog gets about ***'s out of 5 for his performance from me.  I give Blue 4 starts.  Fuhr has been too tough.  Buffalo caught a hot goaltender just in time...I mean, after all, Buffalo is 3 wins, 7 losses in their last 10.  >Harry Sinden's appearance outside of B's dressing room after Game 3 >was a pathetic site. He said something really retarded to cover Sutter's >behind,"This game is not about winning or losing..". Harry,check the  It's very frustrating to lose, and you've gotta say something.  Actually it's not about winning or losing, it is how you play the game.  But when the competition is magnified to this level, 99.9% of the people only care about who wins or loses :-)  >schedule! Your team is in the playoffs and about to go on a long summer >vacation on Sunday morning!  I think Buffalo will win in 6 -- it's not like Boston is getting blown away. They lost 2 OT games -- with a different bounce, they could easily be up 2-1.  >Harry and his buttkisser Milbury will never admit that they screwed up >in a major way when they brought in one of the dumbest people in the >business,Brian Sutter. Sutter's playoff record as the head coach in St.Louis >speaks for itself. The Blues really have a chance to advance to the >second round this year...  Good point here.  Chicago's in deep trouble tonight.  The 'Hawks have a bad past history of winning the division and losing early.  When they don't finish 1st, they do okay. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Robbie Po **          1993's STREAKERS   "We do what comes naturally! Patrick Division Semi's  -- PGH PENGUINS -- You see now, wait for the PENGUINS 4, Devils 3     1991, 1992 STANLEY possibility, don't you see a Penguins lead, 3-0       CUP CHAMPIONS :-)  strong resemblance..."-DG '89
From: tarq@ihlpm.att.com Subject: Forsale - Steyr 9mm Parabellum Organization: AT&T Lines: 25   		FOR SALE - Steyr GB 9mm Parabellum 		---------------------------------- 			 	 	This is an excellent handgun for the first time buyer or 	an experienced handgunner. It is in excellent condition. 	I never had a misfire with it. 	 	Make:		Steyr Model GB 9mm Parabellum 	 	Magazine:	18 rounds 	 	Barrel:		Hard-chrome-plated inside and outside for 			long term durability and wear resistance. 			Fixed mount. 			 	Price:		$375, obo. 	 	Comes with 2 magazines, original owner's manual. 	 	Contact:	T. Ahmad, ihlpm!tarq, (708)979-0838 (weekdays) 	 	 
From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang) Subject: Minolta FD 50 mm forsale Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 4   Minolta FD 50 mm lens for sale. Good condition. Asking $30.  Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu
From: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 41  In article: <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> 	swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) wrote: >I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that >this board would be most appropriate. >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called >'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool?  Except for their size, the cooling towers on nuclear power plants are vertually identical in construction and operation to cooling towers designed and built in the 1890's (a hundred years ago) for coal fired power plants used for lighting and early electric railways.  Basicly, the cylindrical tower supports a rapid air draft when its air is heated by hot water and/or steam circulating thru a network of pipes that fill about the lower 1/3 of the tower. To assist cooling and the draft, water misters are added that spray cold water over the hot pipes. The cold water evaporates, removing the heat faster than just air flow from the draft would and the resulting water vapor is rapidly carried away by the draft. This produces the clouds frequently seen rising out of these towers.  That slight pinch (maybe 2/3 of the way up the tower) is there because it produces a very significant increase in the strength and rate of the air draft produced, compared to a straight cylinder shape.  The towers are used to recondense the steam in the sealed steam system of the power plant so that it can be recirculated back to the boiler and used again. The wider the temperature difference across the turbines used in the power plant the more effecient they are and by recondensing the steam in the cooling towers before sending it back to the boilers you maintain a very wide temperature difference (sometimes as high as 1000 degrees or more from first stage "hot" turbine to final stage "cold" turbine).                                          R. Tim Coslet  Usenet: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com         technology, n.  domesticated natural phenomena
From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) Subject: Re: RFI: Art of clutchless shifting Organization: HewlettPackardSantaRosaSystmsDiv,RohnertParkCA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] Lines: 41  & >I'm not familiar with the trannies used in Winston Cup, but in the trans-am & >cars I've played with the  transmissions were the racing variety, with & >dog clutches instead of sychros.  In a transmission with dog clutches, the & >gears are always  engaged with each other and moving the dog clutches & >engages the gears to the shafts.  Motorcycle transmissions are the same way. & >Shifting without the clutch on a transmission with syncros can and will cause & >transmission damage, the only question being how long it  takesto grenade & >something (for the trans in my 87  Pulsar SE, it was  about 3-5k miles, but & >it had a weak  tranny in the first place). &  & just out of curiosity, how is this "dog clutch" any different from a synchro & transmission.  What you described SOUNDS the same to me.  In fact, what little & i've studied on trannies, the instructor referred to the synchros as "dogs" & and said they were synonymous.  The gears are always meshed in a synchronized & gearbox, and you slip the synchro gears back and forth by shifting. Or at least, & that is what i was taught.  Explain, por favour?  Motorcycle transmissions don't have synchros.  The engagment dogs are very corse and sloppy.  There are maybe 6-10 teeth (dogs) on the side of the gears that engage the next gear over as the forks slide the gears back and forth.  To shift:  start to apply pressure at the same time the clutch is pulled (the clutch is a hand lever) and shift quickly.  If  you try a slow lazy shift it will grind, you just have to pop it into the next gear before it has a chance to grind.  There isn't a neutral between gears (obviously there is, but you can't select it with the shifter) so double clutching is not a possibility.  "speed shifting" (which is what I have always heard "clutchless shifting" called) works pretty well for upshifts with some practice, but I usually use the clutch-especially for the lower gears.  I think auto (as in automobile) trannys are similar, except that the engagment dogs are very fine, with no slop.  And the addition of syncho rings.  The gear teeth are always engaged in auto transmissions that are synchronized, but may not be in non-synchro gears (reverse and sometimes first).    -- Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@sad.hp.com    (707) 794-4168 work, Hewlett Packard             (707) 794-3844 fax,  (707) 538-3693 home 1212 Valley House Drive     IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510 Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG, LAW, AMA, Dod #7566, I'm the NRA.
From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH - UPDATE Distribution: usa Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 17  In article <C5uHuo.Awq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf) writes: >In article <nate.1485.735408842@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes: >>    Yeah, as information trickles in... funny how that works... > >Funny, yeah, funny how you didn't wait for the FBI spokesdroid  >latest reversal of "facts" before proclaiming the BD's burned >themselves to death.  If you won't believe anything the government says, and the press is not reliable according to the same logic, then what do you base your statements on?  Wild speculation laced with a healthy dose of paranoia?  --  <><><><><><><><><><> Personal opinions? Why,  <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <>  BRENT IRVINE  <> yes.  What did you think <> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu  <> <><><><><><><><><><> they were?.......        <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
From: lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) Subject: Re: Help Organization: University of Westminster Lines: 26  : > 	   I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem.  I know : > that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet : > hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools, : > do you still think that just believing is enough?' :  : [Stuff deleted] :   : > Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do) : > as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James : > in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out' : >  : > Can anyone help me, this really bothers me. :   I have received tons of mail from people replying to this article I wrote, and I would just like to thank everyone who took the time to give me a hand.  It has indeed helped me and re-affirmed alot of theories that I held but was a little unsure about.  God bless you all  Will  --  ============================================ | Dallas Cowboys - World Champions 1992-93 | ============================================
From: uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Krenz) Subject: Re: Impala SS going into production! Distribution: na Lines: 40  In <1993Apr19.193417.18601@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN  JONATHAN JAMES) writes:  >uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu (Andrew Krenz) writes:  >>I personally like the looks of the Impala SS.  The Caprice was definately  >>weird looking until this year when they made the rear wheel openings look  >>more like a normal car, but the Impala impresses me.  GM can't exactly shove >>the LT1 in everything they make, you know, only the bigger stuff.  I'd like >>to see it next in a 1500 series pickup.  That would be a hot setup. >                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  >What about in a full size Blazer as well?  Would this engine have the gobs >of torque necessary for off-roading?  If so, this would be even better than >the Syclone.  Well, an LT1 Blazer wouldn't come close to a GMC Typhoon in speed, I think its too heavy.  As it is right now, the normal 210HP 5.7 engine has plenty of  power for a full size Blazer.  Of course, I'm not saying GM shouldn't put the LT1 in it :).  It seems like they have a real winner with that engine.  Why spend so much more money into getting a 32 valve DOHC V8 when you can take  an LT1?  It even seems to get pretty good gas MPG (for a 5.7, that is.)   [talking about Impala SS] >Will this be in the 4-door Caprice body?  I'm just curious if Chevy is >trying to resurrect their 2-door muscle cars, or to compete with the European >"super sedans."  Yeah, it's a flat black, lowered 4 door Caprice riding on 17" aluminum rims and Eagle GS-C tires.  The rest of the car is basically a Caprice LTZ (read:  plush police package) with 300 horsepower.  I heard that Chevy is resurrecting the Monte Carlo but that's going to get  their 3.4 DOHC V6 and not the LT1.  >>Jon Dunn< -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Krenz -- uznerk@mcl.ucsb.edu | krenz@engrhub.ucsb.edu  -------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: re: WINBENCH 3.11 help -- graphics comparison?!? From: srg3sir@grv.grace.cri.nz Distribution: world Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand. NNTP-Posting-Host: rmayston.grace.cri.nz Lines: 25    In article <C4zoGD.C56@news.udel.edu> swyatt@bach.udel.edu (Stephen L Wyatt) writes: >I have a question about WINBENCH (pc labs thing) 3.11.. > >I have a 386/33 and a Ahead B (512k) card and got these results- > >windows vga driver - 2.44 million >ahead B (640-480-256) driver - 455,000 winmarks >windows svga (800-600-16) driver - 1.68 million winmarks... > >I was thinking about upgrading to a diamond 24x card.. I read it had about >8 million winmark.. > >obviously this is MUCH MUCH greater... but is this in 256-color mode or what? >is this a good card...street price is about $170...  On my 386dx 33Mhz 4Mb RAM Winbench 2.5  24x v2.02 16.7M        1,668,274      v2.03 16.7M        1,668,985      v2.03 16           4,602,428      v2.03 256          7,635,278 Richard Mayston maystonr@grace.cri.nz
From: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter)  Subject: VESA Reply-To: terry.walter@outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Terry Walter)  Distribution: world Organization: Outland BBS Lines: 9  I am looking for a VESA local bus Card. to control my IDE drives, Floppies, game port, parallel port, and most of all my serial ports.  the serial ports must have sockets for the UARTs and non of this intergraded chipset that generic boards have on them.   ---- Message was posted at outlan.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca #403-478-4010  HST and v.32bis  Try it, you'll like it!
From: YTKIM@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (YONG T KIM) Subject: WINNLS.DLL? Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST Lines: 7 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: deimos.ucs.umass.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24   I tried to install a foreign language Windows application that required a file named WINNLS.DLL.  I checked all of my WIndows 3.1 installation disks for this file, but could not find it.  Does anybody have any idea what this file is for and where one could get it from? 
Organization: The American University - University Computing Center From: Joseph Dresnok III <JDRESNO@auvm.american.edu> Subject: !!!!JAZZ CD 4 sale/trade! Lines: 7  I have an unopened CD called "Bird-The Original Recordings of Charlie Parker"  It has on it, among others: Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie, Red Rodney, Thelonious Monk, and Lester Young. I would be willing to sell it to the highest bidder, or else to trade it for another jazz CD that I would be interested in.   joe
Subject: thanks to poster of NY Times article on ATF in Texas From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) Distribution: world Organization: Harvard University Science Center Nntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu Lines: 12   good job to whoever posted the article.  I'd been saving that NYTimes edition for a while, planning to ytpe it in myself, but now I don't have to.  For all of those people who were worried about whether or not the media would even question the raid, we owe it to the NY Times (despite their rabidly anti-gun editorials) for  being willing to talk to these 4 BATF  agents.  -Case Kim 
From: mboenig@dewey.NMSU.Edu (BOENIG) Subject: v 16 Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: huey.nmsu.edu   	Probably the most famous V16 is the one Cadillac made from about 1925   to 1935.  They had to scale down then because the Great Depression really put   the crimp on luxury cars.  It had 452 cubic inches with over two hundred horse   power.  "They don't make them like they used to."   	There were others though.  Packard had one until about 1930 whe it down   sized to their legendary Twin-Six, their mainstay for the next twenty years.    Lincoln and Pierce Arrow might have also had one but I am not two sure. 	Most luxury and semi-luxury cars of this era at least experimented with   V16 if they did not actually produce them.  There was actually a "cylinder war"   among the Big Three to see who could produce the biggest engine.  Big M  ++++++++++++++++++++ Standard disclaimer applies, because I can't think of anything wittier.
From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) Subject: Re: Ammo in a fire (was Re: WACO burning) Lines: 52 Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support   In article <C5xBwr.5B8@world.std.com>, htf@world.std.com (Harry Carter) writes: >sunshine@cco.caltech.edu (Tom Renner) writes: > >>v111qheg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (P.VASILION) writes: > >>>Can you imagine what happens when a magazine explodes? Bullets go flying every >>>where. IMHO, these "gunshot wounds" were actually caused when the magazines  >>>went up. > >>A minor technical point: unless a cartridge is contained (for example in the >>chamber of a gun) when it goes off, very little of interest happens..... > > >Quoting Hatcher's notebook: >      The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufactures' Institute reported >      a demonstration made by taking a large quantity of metallic >      cartridges and shotgun shells and burning them in a fire of oil- >      soaked wood.  The cartridges and shells exploded from time to >      time, but there was no general explosion or throwing off of >      bullets or shot to any distance. >      Throughout the test the men conducting it remained within 20 ft. >      of the fire without being injured in any way..... the material >      of which the cartridge and shells are composed will usually not >      fly more than a few feet. >      In tests conducted by the National Rifle Association, both rifle >      and pistol cartridges were exploded by heat under an ordinary >      corrugated pasteboard carton, and neither fragments of the >      cartridge cases nor bullets penetrated the cardboard. > > >  Any scientists care to try this out in their kitchen?  :-)  Here goes:  More than a few years back (if you were born that year, you can legally drink), we tried it out.  We found an 8 ft. deep cistern that we lined with some 10 ft. 2X6s.  We put a large can (one of those industrial sized pork'n beans cans) stuffed with oily rags and scraps of wood in the bottom.  After lighting the fire, we LOWERED a box of .38 Spc. SWCs into the can.  We heard pops, one solid bang and several "fizzzz shussss".  After we thought the excitment was over, we boldly climbed down to find that NONE of the bullets had left the can, several of the shells were lieing around the bottom of the well and the boards had all died of smoke inhalation.  And 5 or 6 of the shells still had live primers! -- Dillon Pyron                      | The opinions expressed are those of the TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support    | sender unless otherwise stated. (214)462-3556 (when I'm here)     | (214)492-4656 (when I'm home)     |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood.  We need pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com          |solutions, not gestures. PADI DM-54909                     | 
From: baldur@rsp.is (Baldur Thorgilsson) Subject: receiver system Summary: multi channel receiver system? Keywords: telemetry, receiver system Organization: National Hospitals, Iceland Lines: 19   Dear Netters I want to send EMG-signals from a running person to a computer.  Each signal is 4KHz wide and there is up to 30 of them on each running person. The signal is only to be sent over a few hundred  meters. It seems to me that the frequency intended for this use is about 150MHz and about 440MHz. To make the transmitters as light as possible I suppose it will be best  the to send the signals in an analog form. As this application is rather  specialized I do not expect to be able to buy the exact transmitter- units i need. On the other hand I imagine that I can buy the receiver somewhere. I  need a multichannel (up to 30 channels) receiver or 30 complete   receivers in some rack system where one can add as many receivers  as needed in the particular case. DO ANYBODY KNOW IF THERE IS EXISTING SUCH RECEIVER  SYSTEM ON THE MARKET?  baldur@rsp.is     (TF3BP) (please respond by email rather than nn)
From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Standard? Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 22  seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) writes:  > In Quebec French, the word for the celebration of the resurrection is > "Pa^ques"--this is etymologically related to Pesach (Passover) and the > pascal lamb.  So is the French Canadian (mostly Roman Catholic) celebration > better because it uses the right name?  I was at my parents' Seder and noticed the labelling on one of the  packages was English, Hebrew and French.  In the phrase "kosher for  passover" the French word used was "Pa^ques."   We've deliberately  mistranslated this at the Kulikauskas home and keep referring to foods  being kosher for Easter. :-)  Back to the original questions in this thread concerning Christians of  Jewish descent and the Law:  I always wonder when I see posts on this  subject whether the writers are Christians of Jewish descent relating  the life-decisions God has led them to or people who take only an  academic interest in the topic.  (Having known Seanna since she was nine  years old, I do know in this case.)  I admit that the answer to this  question affects the amount of weight I give to the writer's statement.  Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org
From: ritley@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu () Subject: SEEKING THERMOCOUPLE AMPLIFIER CIRCUIT Reply-To: ritley@uiucmrl.bitnet () Organization: Materials Research Lab Lines: 17    I would like to be able to amplify a voltage signal which is output from a thermocouple, preferably by a factor of 100 or 1000 ---- so that the resulting voltage can be fed more easily into a personal-computer-based ADC data acquisition card.  Might anyone be able to point me to references to such circuits?  I have seen simple amplifier circuits before, but I am not sure how well they work in practice.  In this case, I'd like something which will amplify sufficiently "nicely" to be used for thermocouples (say, a few degrees accuracy or better).  Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!
From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 43  Jon Livesey writes:  >So why do I read in the papers that the Qumram texts had "different >versions" of some OT texts.   Did I misunderstand?  Reading newspapers to learn about this kind of stuff is not the best idea in the world.  Newspaper reporters are notoriously ignorant on the subject of religion, and are prone to exaggeration in the interests of having a "real" story (that is, a bigger headline).  Let's back up to 1935.  At this point, we have the Masoretic text, the various targums (translations/commentaries in aramaic, etc.), and the Septuagint, the ancient greek translation.  The Masoretic text is the standard Jewish text and essentially does not vary.  In some places it has obvious corruptions, all of which are copied faithfully from copy to copy. These passages in the past were interpreted by reference to the targums and to the Septuagint.  Now, the septuagint differs from the masoretic text in two particulars: first, it includes additional texts, and second, in some passages there are variant readings from the masoretic text (in addition to "fixing"/predating the various corrupted passages).  It must be emphasized that, to the best of my knowledge, these variations are only signifcant to bible scholars, and have little theological import.  The dead sea scroll materials add to this an ancient *copy* of almost all of Isaiah and fragments of various sizes of almost all other OT books.  There is also an abundance of other material, but as far as I know, there is no sign there of any hebrew antecdent to the apocrypha (the extra texts in the septuagint).  As far as analysis has proceeded, there are also variations between the DSS texts and the masoretic versions.  These tend to reflect the septuagint, where the latter isn't obviously in error.  Again, though, the differences (thus far) are not significant theologically.  There is this big expectation that there are great theological surprises lurking in the material, but so far this hasn't happened.  The DSS *are* important because there is almost no textual tradition in the OT, unlike for the NT. --  C. Wingate        + "The peace of God, it is no peace,                   +    but strife closed in the sod. mangoe@cs.umd.edu +  Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: tove!mangoe       +    the marv'lous peace of God."
From: eeb1@quads.uchicago.edu (E. Elizabeth Bartley) Subject: No cost to gun waiting periods??? Reply-To: eeb1@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 35  In article <1rhr7s$fg1@access.digex.net> carlaron@access.digex.com (Carl Aron) writes:  >I'm not sure were this thread has been before i popped in, but I've never >thought of waiting periods as having anything to do with training or >competence. I just can't imagin any valid reason for having a gun that >can't wait a few days.  You can't think of any valid reason to own a gun that can't wait?  Either you have a very limited imagination or a strange definition of the word "valid".  Here are a few reasons you might want a gun *right now*:  You're a Korean greengrocer in LA and a riot has just started in a nearby neighborhood.  You've received a death threat.  Your SO has just broken your arm and you fear for your life if you stay with him and he's said he'll kill you if you leave him.  A psychopath is breaking into people's houses in your neighborhood and robbing and killing people inside.  A violent mugger is operating on the route you have to take to get to your night job.  There are lots of dangers you might be in that won't wait for the waiting period for you to purchase a gun.  --  Pro-Choice                 Anti-Roe                     - E. Elizabeth Bartley             Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.
From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club  Lines: 58  In article <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >	If alcohol were again banned today, it would be MUCH more >	difficult to manage a large-scale smuggling operation.  >	The cops now rank just a narrow notch below the military >	in communications, intelligence gathering and firepower.  Proof by assertion!  I love it!  Uh, please explain why the smugglers do not also rank a notch below (or above) the military in terms of communications, intelligence gathering (e.g., why fight officials when you can bribe them..."I'll give you a hundred grand to let that semi past..."), and firepower.   >	In a similar vein, the amount of marijuana smuggled into >	this country has greatly decreased. This is because its >	value-per-pound is very low when compared to cocaine or >	heroin. It's simply not worth the risk, it's uneconomical. >	Now, most reefer is domestic. There is less pressure on >	the domestic producer (showy raids notwithstanding) and >	thus it is economical. Of note though ... domestic reefer >	is now very strong, so a small volume goes a long way. >	You cannot make alcohol stronger than 200 proof - not a >	good dollar/pound deal.  > What's the point here?  You're arguing that the black market WORKS (which it does, of course).    >	Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area.  This is the wrong way to quantify things.  The smuggler would be concerned about value/cubic foot.  Go to a gun show and price out a crate of good quality handguns.    >	It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production >	would have to be local. There are not all that many people  What's "local?"    >	who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile >	firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could  What is a worthwhile firearm?  Hell, anything that WORKS!  Go get yourself a copy of the Army's 1969 Improvised Munitions Manual. See how easy it is to make a functional firearm.  >	obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and >	average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would >	pay through the nose for it.   If paying $10 for inconspicuous parts at the local K-Mart is "through the nose."   Drew -- betz@gozer.idbsu.edu *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights   *** *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc,     semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: RFI: Art of clutchless shifting Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 25 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu   In a previous article, lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky) says:  >In article <93112.103631LRR105@psuvm.psu.edu> <LRR105@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: >I'm not familiar with the trannies used in Winston Cup, but in the trans-am >cars I've played with the  transmissions were the racing variety, with >dog clutches instead of sychros.  In a transmission with dog clutches, the >gears are always  engaged with each other and moving the dog clutches >engages the gears to the shafts.  Motorcycle transmissions are the same way. >Shifting without the clutch on a transmission with syncros can and will cause >transmission damage, the only question being how long it  takesto grenade >something (for the trans in my 87  Pulsar SE, it was  about 3-5k miles, but >it had a weak  tranny in the first place).  just out of curiosity, how is this "dog clutch" any different from a synchro transmission.  What you described SOUNDS the same to me.  In fact, what little i've studied on trannies, the instructor referred to the synchros as "dogs" and said they were synonymous.  The gears are always meshed in a synchronized gearbox, and you slip the synchro gears back and forth by shifting. Or at least, that is what i was taught.  Explain, por favour?  thanx DREW ps email's fine if this is inappropriate for here, or if i'm the only bonhead who doesn't know the diff.
From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge) Subject: Re: cholistasis(sp?)/fat-free diet/pregnancy!! Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 123  heart@access.digex.com (G) writes:  >Hi,  >I've just returned from a visit with my OB/GYN and I have a few  >concerns that maybe y'all can help me with.  I've been seeing  >her every 4 weeks for the past few months (I'm at week 28)  >and during the last 2 visits I've gained 9 to 9 1/2 pounds every  >4 weeks.  She said this was unacceptable over any 4 week period.  >As it stands I've thus far gained 26 pounds.  Also she says that  >though I'm at 28 weeks the baby's size is 27 weeks, I think she  >mentioned 27 inches for the top of the fundus.  When I was 13  >weeks the baby's size was 14 weeks.  I must also add, that I had  >an operation a few years ago for endometriosis and I've had no  >problems with endometriosis but apparently it is causing me pain  >in my pelvic region during the pregnancy, and I have a very  >difficult time moving, and the doc has recommended I not walk or  >move unless I have to. (I have a little handicapped sticker for  >when I do need to go out.)   >Anyway that's 1/2 of the situation the other is that almost from  >the beginning of pregnancy I was getting sick (throwing up) about  >2-3 times a day and mostly it was bile that was being eliminated.   >(I told her about this).  I know this because I wasn't eating  >very much due to the nausea and could see the 'results'.  Well  >now I only get sick about once every 1-2 weeks, and it is still bile  >related.  But in addition I had begun to feel movement near my  >upper right abdomen, just below the right breast, usually when I  >was lying on my right side.  It began to get worse though because  >it started to hurt when I lay on my right side, and then it hurt   >no matter what position I was in.  Next, I noticed that when I  >ate greasy or fatty foods I felt like my entire abdomen had  >turned to stone, and the pain in the area got worse.  However if  >I ate sauerkraut or vinegar or something to 'cut' the fat it  >wasn't as much of a problem.  >So the doctor says I have cholistatis, and that I should avoid  >fatty foods.  This makes sense, and because I was already aware  >of what seemed to me this cause and effect relationship I have  >been avoiding these foods on my own.  But I'm still able to eat  >foods with Ricotta cheese for instance and other low fat foods.    >But doc wants me to be on a non-fat diet.  This means no meat  >except fish and chicken w/o skin (I do this anyway).  No nuts,  >fried food, cheese etc.  I am allowed skim milk.  She said I  >should avoid anything sweet (e.g. bananas).  Also I must only  >have one serving of something high in carbohydrates a day (  >potatoes, pasta, rice)!  She said I can't even cook vegetables in  >a little bit of oil and that I should eat vegetables raw or  >steamed.  I'm concerned because I understand you need to have  >some fat in your diet to help in the digestive process.  And if  >I'm not taking in fat, is she expecting the baby will take it  >from my stores?  And why this restriction on carbohydrates if  >she's concerned about fat?  I'm not clear how much of her  >recommendation is based on my weight gain and how much on  >cholistatis, which I can't seem to find any information on.  She  >originally said that I should only gain 20 pounds during the  >entire pregnancy since I was about 20 lbs overweight when I  >started.  But my sister gained 60 lbs during her pregnancy and  >she's taken it all off and hasn't had any problems.  She also  >asked if any members of my family were obese, which none of them  >are.  Anyway I think she is overly concerned about weight gain,  >and feel like I'm being 'punished' by a severe diet.  She did  >want to see me again in one week so I think she the diet may be  >temporary for that one week.   >What I want to know is how reasonable is this non-fat diet?  I  >would understand if she had said low-fat diet, since I'm trying  >that anyway, even if she said really low-fat diet.  I think she  >assumes I must be eating a high-fat diet, but really it is that  >because of the endometriosis and the operation I'm not able to  >use the energy from the food I do eat.   >Any opinions, info and experiences will be appreciated.  I'm  >truly going stark raving mad trying to meet this new strict diet  >because fruits and vegetables go through my system in a few  >minutes and I'll end up having to eat constantly.  Thus far I  >don't find any foods satisfying.  >Thanks   >G  For one week, she probably wants to see how you react to the diet. If it changes anything.   You can live on the diet but you need to up your calories. Where before you had a pat of butter now you need a medium apple (probably microwave cooked).  Smaller meals but more of them. Not terrific amounts of meat, it's hard to digest anyway.   For comfort and to make the carbohydrate meal "last" longer eat pasta or rice which give their calories up slowly rather than bread or corn. Maybe smaller meals as you may be getting less room in the stomach area. Is the baby still coming up. Is it starting to push or rub under your ribs? How tight are your clothes. You shouldn't be wearing any clothing that compresses  your middle. Be sure not to "suck in" your stomach when sitting, again it will put pressure on the digestive tract.   Try laying on your sides, back, and stay in reclining positions for the many hours you are being inactive. Easier on your legs (circulation) as well. You might try letting the baby "turn" or at least not be forced under the ribs during the last months. When you are shortwaisted it's easy for that baby to end up right under the diaphram, especially if you have tight abdominal muscles. If I had my second one to do over again I think I'd have tried to loosen up since he didn't turn sideways until late and the relief was enormous.   Maybe this doctor does have a thing about weight gain in pregnancy or maybe she just nags all her patients this way. Especially if she's young.  But this gallbladder/whatever problem that might be coming up is something to be avoided if possible.   Nausea, etc. can vary from person to person and with each pregnancy. My first pregnancy was miserable. During the second I had very little trouble. Some articles have said that women with nausea had a statistically better chance of carrying their baby. (grain of salt here)   Good luck  -Jackie- 
From: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV (M.L. 'Broomen' Behnke) Subject: Re: Electric power line "balls" Article-I.D.: fnnews.1psrgl$6cb Reply-To: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV Distribution: usa Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov  In article <1993Apr6.203237.20841@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, fsset@bach.lerc.nasa.gov (Scott Townsend) writes: >I got a question from my dad which I really can't answer and I'd appreciate >some net.wisdom. > >His question is about some 18-24" diameter balls which are attached to >electric power lines in his area.  He's seen up to a half dozen between >two poles.  Neither of us have any experience with electric power distribution. >My only guess was that they may be a capacitive device to equalize the >inductance of the grid, but why so many between two poles?. > >Anyone know what they really are?  Is there a related FAQ for this? >Is there a better group to submit to? > >We'd both appreciate some enlightenment. >   The balls are used to reduce the amplitude of oscillations of the wire during periods of high winds.  I've seen what looks like paint cans filled with concrete used for the same purpose. Mike Behnke             | Senior Tech/Advisor | Quid est illuidin aqua?? Fermi Nat Accel Lab     | Equipment Suuport   | Batavia, Il.            | Computing Div       | PISTRIX!!  PISTRIX!! BEHNKE@FNALF.FNAL.GOV   |                     |  My opinions are my own, not of the lab. So, if you don't like them, call  1-800-UWH-INER
From: alee@ecs.umass.edu Subject: Need to find out number to a phone line Lines: 13   Greetings!                Situation:  I have a phone jack mounted on a wall.  I don't                     know the number of the line.  And I don't want                     to call up the operator to place a trace on it.          Question:   Is there a certain device out there that I can                     use to find out the number to the line?         Thanks for any response.                                                     Al    
From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) Subject: Goalie mask poll Article-I.D.: hydra.93158 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 31   	Here is an update on the Goalie mask poll... 	First, since so many people gave me their 3 best, I decided to give 3 pts for their favorite, 2 pts for 2nd, 1 for 3rd. If you e-mailed a response with only one, I gave it 3 pts. Please feel free to send me your 2 other favorites, if you only sent one before.  	Also, votes are still welcome! Any mask you like will do, as I  have received votes for players not in the NHL. Please mention what team they play for, though. 	So here are the up-to-date results so far:  Player                 Team              Pts     Votes ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Ed Belfour          Chicago            8        4    Andy Moog           Boston             8        3 3. Curtis Joseph       St. Louis          5        2 4. Brian Hayward       San Jose           4        2 5. Grant Fuhr          Buffalo            3        1    Ron Hextall         Quebec             3        1 7. Clint Malarchuk     Buffalo            2        1    Manon Rheaume       Atlanta (IHL)      2        1 9. John Casey          Minnesota          1        1    Rick Wamsley        Toronto (retired)  1        1  	Thanks to all that voted, and keep 'em coming!  --  GO SKINS!    ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite GO BRAVES!   ||   an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More  GO HORNETS!  || GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu
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From: ame_0123@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Terrance J. Dishongh) Subject: Strain Gage Applications in vivo Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 14  Greeting  I am starting work on a project where I am trying to make strain gages bond to bone in vivo or a period of several months.  I am currently using hydroxyapaptite back gages, and I have tried M-bonding the gages to the bone.  Apart from those two application methods there doesn't seem to be much else in the literature.  I have only an engineering  background not medical or biological.  I would be interest in any ideas about how to stimulte bone growth on the surface of cortical bone.  Thanks for oyur help in Advance.  Terrance J Dishongh ame_0123@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu
From:  slavik <slavik@rtools.msk.su> Subject: AN12 AIRCRAFT FOR SALE OR LEASING Reply-To: slavik@rtools.msk.su Organization: Russian Tools Co, Ltd. Keywords: AIRCRAFT SALE   Lines: 37  Our firm is in a position to either sell or lease  the serverses of one AN-12 air cargo transport aircraft  (with the complete technical repair in 1993 ).  Terms of Delivery:  1. The price of the aircraft is $840000.  2. The price of leasing is $42800 per month with the guarantee     flight time more than 60 hours.      This price includes :         a) the price of the aircraft.         b) the price of insurance of the aircraft and the pilots.     The price of leasing does not include :         a) the fuel price.         b) the price of technical service.         c) taxes , airport taxes, air navigations expenses, the                payments of hangspace.         d) loading,  unloading and  insurance cargo.         e) days payments for pilot, food and accomodation                expenses,transport expenses.  Terms are negotiable.  If you are interested, please contact at your earliest convenients.  Respectedly Yours.  Andrey Divaev.  MOSCOW tel: (095) 305-71-30  fax: (095) 305-72-60  "Rusian Tools" Ltd. Co.  
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Photographers removed from compound Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 44 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com  In article <C5vF59.83q@news.udel.edu>, roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:  > two news photographers were found  > on the compound earlier this morning without permission.  It was explained  > to the press corps. that this is dangerous and that an unknown photographer  > turning around with a long lens camera could be mistaken for someone dangerous  > by a Texas Ranger surveying the site. (!)    In other words, "Nice camera you got dere.  It would be a shame if somet'in wuz ta happen to it..."  > The two photographers were said to be currently in jail   > It was also emphasized that the survey of the "crime" scene at this  > point was crucial and that the press could not be allowed to interfere. > The press will not be allowed in until the bodies are removed and the  > site has been completely surveyed for evidence for a court case.    > My opinions: > ----------- > I find this disturbing.   Good.  Keep thinking critically.  > While I believe that Koresh is largely  > responsible for not ending this standoff in a peacable manner during the  > last 51 days of patient opportunity, I find the secrecy surrounding the  > aftermath more damaging to the authorities' position than they realize.  What if the secrecy is actually LESS damaging than the alternative?  > I am basing my opinions on info gathered from various media and filtered  > by my own common sense and consideration of plausibility, IMHO.  As such,  > my opinion is subject to change as more information is made available.  > Please also note that I by no means endorse  or agree with the many  > conspiracy-type theories I have read here and in other groups.   Make your own bite-size pieces.  We'll wait. --   cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet... 
From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: Florida State University Lines: 13  > [Again, in the normal Protestant interpretation, Sunday is not a law, > and worshipping on another day is not a sin.  Churches are free to > decide on the day they will meet, just as they are free to decide on > the hour.  It would not be a sin to worship on some other day, but if > you belong to a church that worships on Sunday and you show up on > Monday, you will probably worship alone...  --clh]  I totally agree with that sentiment.  But why do you have to go further and advocate violating what God has set up?  That is the question which you have not answered from Scripture.  You can worship on every day, as long as you work.  But God says the Sabbath is all mine.  Darius
From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) Subject: Re: Weirdness of Early Christians Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 58  Were the early Christians weird?  Yes!  So were their non-Christian contemporaries (the more familiar you are with late Republican Rome or the Pricipate, the weirder those people will seem -- forget the creative filtering done by Renaissance and Eighteenth Century hero worship.)  So are modern non-Christians.  And Christians.  You are pretty weird, yourself, with your rather acid dismissal of Luther and of Protestantism -- and in apparently buying into a simplistic propaganda model about Catholicism *not* being faddish.   Sure, it's so large that global fads take longer cycles than they do in smaller denominations (and local ones are not usually visible unless you do a lot of traveling to exotic lands :-)).  May I recom- mend, as a salutary antidote to this nonsense Philippe Aries' book _The Hour of our Death_, a longitudinal study of death customs in  Western [specifically Catholic] Christendom?  And it won't help to escape into the obscurity of the first Christian century.  Paul was pretty weird, too; as were Peter and the others in the (apparently quite weird) circle around Jesus.  What I think you might find helpful is a bit more charity -- try to understand these weirdos and nutcases with the same respect and love you would expect others to show YOUR notions.  We *are* commanded to love one another, after all.  And Brown's book is, in fact, a heroic attempt to SEE the groupings he talks about as motivated in love and the gospel and their social contexts.  (If anything, Brown is *too* heroic here -- he manages to overstrain himself at times :-))  I don't suggest that we *follow* any of these old cult paths -- and it raises hard questions from the skeptic inside me that so much of early Christianity *was* like the weird (Christian and non-Christian) cults we see today.  To that extent, I think you raise a serious problem (and perhaps your phrasing is implicitly self-deprecatory and ironic.)  But the first principle for *answering* these questions is respect and love for those we do not understand.  And it helps to *work* at under- standing (as long as we do not get overwhelmed by revulsion and begin to withdraw our respect for them as people.)  I would advise, in other words, MORE historical reading (Brown's other books are also good, most especially his bio. of Augustine; also try Robin Lane Fox's _Christians and Pagans_, maybe the Paul Veyne ed. _History of Private Life_, some of Foucault's books on sexuality in the ancient world ...)  Humanity *is* weird -- we have known ONE sane person, and we killed Him. Fortunately for us, this has proved a Comedy rather than a Tragedy.  Easter, 1993.  (yes; this is a tad early -- our Vigil service here has been moved forward because so many churches in the area have taken to doing their own Vigils, and the seminarians must therefore worship-and-run if they are to do it here and there as well.  Think of this as an Anglican fad.  :-)) --  Michael L. Siemon		We must know the truth, and we must mls@ulysses.att.com		love the truth we know, and we must      - or -			act according to the measure of our love. mls@panix.com		  				-- Thomas Merton
From: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) Subject: Re: Divorce Reply-To: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu Organization: News Service at Rose-Hulman Lines: 28  In article <May.9.05.42.10.1993.27614@athos.rutgers.edu>   daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) writes: > In article <May.7.01.10.03.1993.14583@athos.rutgers.edu>   crs@carson.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes: > > > >Along the way, she was married, happily, to a wonderful and > >supportive husband and gave birth to two sons.  Still, everything was not > >perfect for Jane, since she could never open up the deepest part of her > >soul to her husband.   .. > >One of the interesting things that Jane said in this whole discussion was > >"Homosexuality is not about what goes on in the bedroom."  She found that > >she was much more able to have a deep, committed relationship with a woman > >than a man.  Sex, in her mind, is only a part of the whole relationship. ...  It sounds like she has a problem.  She has a problem opening up to her husband so she is lesbian.  WHAT? In a marrige, a couple is supposed to open up to each other.  Because she didn't feel comfortable opening up to her husband she gets a divorce and comes to the conclusion that she is lesbian.  Before anyone gets maried they should make sure that they would feel comfortable "open up the deepest part of her soul to her husband".  "Sex, in her mind, is only a part of the whole relationship."  Did she think it was diffrent with a man. That might be her problem.  In Christ's Love, Bryan
From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary, the catechist) Subject: Re: Am I going to Hell? Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 45  In article <Apr.23.02.55.31.1993.3123@geneva.rutgers.edu> tbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes: >I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but  >definitely do not believe in the christian god.  The recent discussion >about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the >effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus  >as to how a god might judge men.  As a catholic, I was told that a jew, >buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not >believe this.  Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be  >lumped into this category) to be hellbound.  I know you believe only >god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions.  Dear Tim:  You say that you were a "catholic," but if you do not believe in the Christian God (I suppose that means the God of the Bible) and publicly state this,    you are in all probability not a Roman Catholic.  "Public heretics, even those who err in good faith (material heretics), do not belong to the body of the Church" (Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, 1960, Ludwig Ott, p. 311).  All is not lost, however, as you still might belong spiritually to the Church by your desire to belong to it.  As you said, only God can judge the condition of a man's soul.  About judgment, on the other hand, St. Paul  1 Cor 5:12) urges Christians to judge their fellow Christians.  Following the Apostle's teaching, I judge that you should reconsider    returning to the Christian fold and embrace the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.  He is the God who lives.    Concerning what you were told about non-believers when you were a catholic, that is true.  As I have posted before, Vatican II (Lumen Gentium, II,    n. 16) teaches: "Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Chruch, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and moved by grace, try in their actions to do His will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation."    Responding to your solicitation for opinions on the thinking processes of God, the best I can do is refer you to Scripture.  Scripture is one of the best sources for learning what can be known about God.    Stick with the best. --  boundary, the catechist   no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, tr. esp. Vulgata Latina) 
From: 55526@brahms.udel.edu (Oliver P Weatherbee) Subject: New Windows drivers for Cirrus GD5426 graphic cards! Article-I.D.: news.C5x27u.D4F Organization: University of Delaware Lines: 42 Nntp-Posting-Host: brahms.udel.edu   I have uploaded the most recent Windows drivers for the Cirrus GD5426  chip based display cards to the uploads directory at ftp.cica.indiana.edu  (file is 5426dr13.zip). They're very recent, I downloaded them from the  Cirrus BBS (570-226-2365) last night. If you are unable to get them there,  email me and maybe I can upload them to some other sites as well.   I have a local bus based card (VL24 Bitblaster from Micron) but I think  the drivers work with ISA cards (or at least includes drivers for them).  I found the new drivers to be a significant improvement over the 1.2 version,  improving my graphic winmarks (v3.11) by about 2 million (7.77 to 9.88)  although this could be the result of intentional benchmark cheating on  Cirrus's part but I don't think so.  From Steve Gibson's (columnist for Info World) graphic card comparisons  (also found at the cica ftp site under the name winadv.zip) I extracted the  following for the sake of comparison:  							Wintach              		Winbn3.11	Word	Sprsht	Cad	Paint	Overall Steve's system: 486/33 VLB: ATI Graphics Ultra Pro	  9.33		10.34	 20.78	8.28	14.90	 13.58  my system - 486sx/33 VLB: VL24 Bitblaster		  9.88		 8.65	 11.71	18.84	15.40	 13.65   Its no Viper, but I think its a hell of a deal at about a third of the cost of  the ATI card and when compared to the other cards included in Gibson's review.  Micron system owner's, I would be interested to hear your opinions on the  DTC 2270VL local bus disk controller. My system came with a Maxtor 7120  drive (120 MB) and at first was only giving me disk winmarks of about 16 Kb/s,  I am now at 22 Kb/s. Is this about as good as it gets? I can't get a Norton's sysinfo disk reading because the contoller intercepts the calls, at  least that was what the program said.   Oliver Weatherbee oliver@earthview
From: dchan@cisco.com (Derek Chan) Subject: service indicator of a BMW Organization: cisco Lines: 12 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: lager.cisco.com Originator: dchan@cisco.com   Does anyone know how to reset the service indicator of a BMW after changing the oil yourself?  Also, I have about 3,000 miles on my 525i and so far only one of the five yellow service indicators went out. That means I don't need oil service until it reach approximatly 15,000 miles which doesn't make sense to me. Any idea?  PS of cause I did my first oil change at 1,200 miles    Derek
From: SBANKA@VM.TEMPLE.EDU Subject: Two Questions Organization: Temple University Lines: 10 Nntp-Posting-Host: vm.temple.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2  I'd appreciate any help anyone could give me on these two questions:   The Brady Bill was in the news throughout 1992 but what actually happened to it in Congress?  Did Bush veto it?  If so, when?   Also, the state of Virginia, I believe, just passed a gun control bill on Febrauary 25 of this year.  I think it limits gun purchases to one a month - is this correct?  What was the bill number?   Anyone?
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: "Cruel" (was Re: <Political Atheists?) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu  In article <1qnpa6INN8av@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: >>Hanging? Hanging there slowing being strangled would be very  >>painful, both physically and psychologicall, I imagine. > >Well, most hangings are very quick and, I imagine, painless.  	I think this is a misnomer.  > >>Firing squad ? [ note: not a clean way to die back in those  >>days ], etc.  >>All would be considered cruel under your definition. >>All were allowed under the constitution by the founding fathers. > >And, hangings and firing squads are allowed today, too.  And, if these >things were not considered cruel, then surely a medical execution >(painless) would not be, either.  	But, this just shows then that painful execution is not considered  "cruel" and unusual punishment. This shows that "cruel" as used in the  constitution does NOT refer to whether or not the punishment causes physical  pain. 	Rather, it must be a different meaning.  ---      " I'd Cheat on Hillary Too."     John Laws    Local GOP Reprehensitive    Extolling "Traditional Family Values."    
Subject: Re: FM Transmitter ICs- Help!!!!! From: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter) Organization: Institut fuer Informatik Nntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch Lines: 33  In article <1993Apr27.080115.22046@vd.seqeb.gov.au>  writes: > I am trying to design a small 90mW 472MHz FM transmitter for remote alarm > use. >   Pretty high frequency for one chip...  > Is there an FM transmitter IC available that can be used for this purpose? >  > Any help, circuits, info etc will be greatfully accepted. >  > Please reply to bsc_graham@seqeb.gov.au >   Yes and no. I would use the FM transmitter chip from Motorola (Linear and   Interface Databook), a stable cristal oscillator and a mixer (e.g. SBL-1 from   mini circuits lab). Everything is done in the FM chip and then mixed up with   the oscillator frequency. Just have a look at the ARRL Handbook. There are lots   of ideas in there about oscillators and mixing. I don't think, there are single   chip designs for such high frequencies yet.  > Thanks in advance. >  > Graham Castledine.  Cheers   Robert HB9NBY -- Robert Ganter			/------------\ Universitaet Basel		| I am a fan | Institut fuer Informatik	| of my plan | Basel/Switzerland		\------------/ ganter@ifi.unibas.ch amateurradio: HB9NBY	packet: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU
From: vzhivov@superior.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) Subject: Sabres!!! Sweep. Organization: Carleton University Lines: 18  It's over - the Sabres came back to beat the Bruins in OT 6-5 tonight to sweep the series. A beautiful goal by Brad May (Lafontaine set him up while lying down on the ice) ended it. Fuhr left the game game with an injured shoulder and Lafontaine was banged up as well; however, the Sabres will get a week's rest so injuries should not be a problem.  Montreal edged Quebec 3-2 to square their series, which seems to be headed for Game 7. The Habs dominated the first two periods and were unlucky to only have a 2-2 tie after 40 minutes. However, an early goal by Brunet in the 3rd won it.  The Islanders won their 3rd OT game of the series on a goal by Ray Ferraro 4-3; the Caps simply collapsed after taking a 3-0 lead in the 2nd. The Isles' all-time playoff OT record is now 28-7.  - Vlad the Impaler
From: DKELO@msmail.pepperdine.edu (Dan Kelo) Subject: M-81 Supernova X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 7   How 'bout some more info on that alleged supernova in M-81? I might just break out the scope for this one. ____________________________________________________ "No sir, I don't like it! "-- Mr. Horse Dan Kelo     dkelo@pepvax.pepperdine.edu ____________________________________________________
From: c152-lz@dv349-5f.berkeley.edu (Ben Wong) Subject: GT BMX bike, $300 obo; Apple IIe computer+extras $400 obo. Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 12 Distribution: ba NNTP-Posting-Host: dv349-5f.berkeley.edu   Please do not reply to this account - posting for a friend:  GT-BMX bike, chrome frame, blue, alloy parts, z-rims, mint condition asking $300 obo.  Apple IIe 64k, floppy drive, monitor, Okidata Microline 92 printer, modem, and 30 disks of stuff.  Asking $400 obo.  Call Ariel (510) 881-8627 and leave a message if I'm not there. Again, DO NOT reply to this account.  Posting for a friend. 
From: ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) Subject: ***** Complete AIX-PS/2 Software and Manuals (BEST OFFER)(repost) ***** Originator: ssa@sparc03.cc.ncsu.edu Organization: NC State University Distribution: usa Lines: 24   	A friend of mine has a complete set of AIX-PS/2 1.2 software 	and manuals for sale. (NEW) (all on 1.44 Meg floppies) 	including:  		Base OS 		Development tools (including C Compiler) 		Administration extensions 		X Windows / Motif 		TCP/IP  		PC simulator (DOS Merge) 		etc. etc.....  	(This software requires a PS/2 with 386 processor or higher,  	ample disk space and memory :-) it can coexist with dos and  	OS/2 on the same machine, and selectively booted at startup.)  	If you are interested email me your offer and I will pass 	it along. Keep in mind that the manuals and software fill  	up a 12x12x18 box so shipping is a consideration.  	(Please include this message for reference) 	======  S. Alavi    [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu]  (919)467-7909 (H)  ======== 						  (919)515-8063 (W)
From: anasaz!karl@anasazi.com (Karl Dussik) Subject: Re: Is "Christian" a dirty word? Organization: Anasazi Inc Phx Az USA Lines: 73  In article <Mar.25.03.53.08.1993.24855@athos.rutgers.edu> @usceast.cs.scarolina.edu:moss@cs.scarolina.edu (James Moss) writes: >I was brought up christian, but I am not christian any longer. >I also have a bad taste in my mouth over christianity.  I (in >my own faith) accept and live my life by many if not most of the >teachings of christ, but I cannot let myself be called a christian, >beacuse to me too many things are done on the name of christianity, >that I can not be associated with.    A question for you - can you give me the name of an organization or a philosophy or a political movement, etc., which has never had anything evil done in its name?  You're missing a central teaching of Christianity - man is inherently sinful.  We are saved through faith by grace.  Knowing that, believing that, does not make us without sin.  Furthermore, not all who consider themselves "christians" are (even those who manage to head their own "churches").  "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." - Matt. 7:21.  >I also have a problem with the inconsistancies in the Bible, and >how it seems to me that too many people have edited the original >documents to fit their own world views, thereby leaving the Bible >an unbelievable source.  Again, what historical documents do you trust?  Do you think Hannibal crossed the Alps?  How do you know?  How do you know for sure?  What historical documents have stood the scrutiny and the attempts to dis- credit it as well as the Bible has?  >I don't have dislike of christians (except for a few who won't >quit witnessing to me, no matter how many times I tell them to stop),  >but the christian faith/organized religion will never (as far as i can  >see at the moment) get my support.  Well, it's really a shame you feel this way.  No one can browbeat you into believing, and those who try will probably only succeed in driving you further away.  You need to ask yourself some difficult questions: 1) is there an afterlife, and if so, does man require salvation to attain it.  If the answer is yes, the next question is 2) how does man attain this salvation - can he do it on his own as the eastern religions and certain modern offshoots like the "new age movement" teach or does he require God's help?  3) If the latter, in what form does - indeed, in what form can such help come?  Needless to say, this discussion could take a lifetime, and for some people it did comprise their life's writings, so I am hardly in a position to offer the answers here - merely pointers to what to ask.  Few, of us manage to have an unshaken faith our entire lives (certainly not me). The spritual life is a difficult journey (if you've never read "A Pilgrim's Progress," I highly recommend this greatest allegory of the english language).  >Peace and Love >In God(ess)'s name >James Moss  Now I see by your close that one possible source of trouble for you may be a conflict between your politcal beliefs and your religious upbringing.  You wrote that "I (in my own faith) accept and live my life by many if not most of the teachings of christ".  Well, Christ referred to God as "My Father", not "My Mother", and while the "maleness" of God is not the same as the maleness of those of us humans who possess a Y chromosome, it does not honor God to refer to Him as female purely to be trendy, non-discriminatory, or politically correct.  This in no way disparages women (nor is it my intent to do so by my use of the male pronoun to refer to both men and women -  english just does not have a decent neuter set of pronouns).  After all, God chose a woman as his only human partner in bringing Christ into the human population.  Well, I'm not about to launch into a detailed discussion of the role of women in Christianity at 1am with only 6 hours of sleep in the last 63, and for that reason I also apologize for any shortcomings in this article.  I just happened across yours and felt moved to reply.  I hope I may have given you, and anyone else who finds himself in a similar frame of mind, something to contemplate.  Karl Dussik
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: Moonbase race Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Lines: 16  In article <1r46o9INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes:  >So how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the >U.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida?   Why would you want to do that? The goal is to do it cheaper (remember, this isn't government). Instead of leasing an expensive launch pad, just use a SSTO and launch from a much cheaper facility.    Allen  --  +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor:   "Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"   | | W. Churchill: "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."             | +----------------------56 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+
From: schuch@phx.mcd.mot.com (John Schuch) Subject: Re: Need pinouts for a G8870 dtmf decoder chip Nntp-Posting-Host: bopper2.phx.mcd.mot.com Organization: Motorola Computer Group, Tempe, Az. Distribution: usa Lines: 59  In article <montC5qs9A.3wB@netcom.com> mont@netcom.com (Mont Pierce) writes: > >I bought this chip from Suncoast Technology and tried to build their >dtmf decoder circuit.  But it's not working... > >If anyone has the pinouts and possibly the voltage specs I'd sure >appreciated it.    I presume it is the M-8870 from Teltone Corporation.  Pin	Description  1	+ input 2	- input 3	GS (gain select through use of feed back resistor) 4	Vref (reference voltage OUTPUT, about Vdd/2) 5	connect to Vss 6	connect to Vss 7	osc1 clock input 8	osc2 clock output (connect crystal across pins 7 and 8) 9	Vss 10	OE output enable (logic high allows data output) 11	Q1 data output 12	Q2 data output 13	Q3 data output 14	Q4 data output 15	StD Delayed Steering Output (any other company would call this 'data valid'.) 16	ESt Early Steering output, sort of like "I'm starting to hear a tone". 17	St/GT Steering input/guard time output 18	Vdd  Power Supply	: 4.75V min., 5.25V max. Current		: 3.0mA Typ, 7.0mA max.  BUT.......  You really should have bought the Motorola part from me.  :-) (I still have them in stock)  John    If someone could fax, email, or snail mail a copy >of the spec sheet for this chip that would be even better. :) > >Please email me if you can help.   > >Thanks in advance, >--  >Mont Pierce > >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| Ham Call: KM6WT             Internet:  mont@netcom.com                  | >|    bands: 80/40/20/15/10/2  IBM vnet:  mont@vnet.ibm.com                | >|    modes: cw,ssb,fm                                                     | >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+  
From: umward10@news.cc.umanitoba.ca (Derek Ward) Subject: Re: Winnipeg vs. Vancouver Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Lines: 15  David Downie (dave@downie.commerce.ubc.ca) wrote: :  : Speaking of Paddock--what's he doing slagging Sandlak?  If Sandlak puts   : his mind to it, he can be a physical presence and waking him up might be a   : real mistake.  	Isn't Sandbag out with an injury now anyways?  Perhaps Paddock meant to say that Momesso was the cheap short artist.  After all, that would make more sense.  --   ___   ___  ___   ___                     _  _  ___   ______  / ./  /_   /__/  /_   /_./   | | Wpg   __// |_   |    \  /_/   /__  /  \  /__  /  \    | |      |__/  |_   |  __/     in '93! umward10@ccu.umanitoba.ca <-> Computer Science <-> U of Manitoba 
From: ob00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (OLCAY BOZ) Subject: Re: How do I make GhostScript work? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 40   you Need gs252ini.zip and 24*.zip, and 25*.zip font files. You can get these from  wuarchive.wustl.edu /mirrors/msdos/postscript. I also advice you to get gs252gui.zip from CICA. It is a nice interface for ghostscript. Ghostscript is very user unfriendly. This interface makes it user friendly. For using this interface you have to get vbrun100.dll (from risc.ua.edu /pub/network/misc) copy this to your windows directory. Copy gui executables and other files to your ghostscript directory. And anter the line below to your autoexec.bat.  SET GS_LIB=C:\<your ghostscript and gui directory>  Now you are ready to use it. Enjoy it.    In article <1993Apr16.114432.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, cl238405@ulkyvx.louisvill e.edu (Steve W Brewer) writes: >What files do I need to download for GhostScript 2.5.2?  I have never used >GhostScript before, so I don't have any files for it.  What I *do* have is >gs252win.zip, which I downloaded from Cica.  Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to >work on it's own, but needs some more files that I don't have.  I want to run >GhostScript both in Windows 3.1 and in MS-DOS on a 386 PC (I understand there's >versions for both environments).  What are all the files I need to download and >where can I get them?  Any info would be appeciated. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >  Steve W Brewer                                                rewerB W evetS >  cl238405@ulkyvx.louisville.edu                ude.ellivsiuol.xvyklu@504832lc >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > --  ____________________________________________________________________________ ****************************************************************************              _m_         _    0___          \ _/\__ |/             \   /|
From: camter28@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carter Ames) Subject: Lead ACid Batteries PART 2!!! Organization: Temple University Lines: 40 Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]      I thought the first thread was hilarious, so here goes another post.  Some more background information on what has happened to my poor batteries.    One year, I left the batteries in the garage.  The garage is Unheated.   They were left in their places that they needed to be.  One in the riding lawnmower (what a lux) and one in each motorcycle.  The battery in the  riding lawnmower was about 3-4 years old, and one of the cycle batteries  was new, and one was around 5 years old.  Upon spring time, I discovered that all of the batteries were dead, and needed to be recharged.  They all worked properly, except for the older ones, and they had to be replaced  about halfway through the summer.  (they had originally been stored in the garage, and I think I remember my dad charging them in spring)   Last year, I decided to bring them in to the basement, which has two parts. one is dirt and brick, and the other is concrete.  I brought in all three, and discovered in the spring, (about 15 days ago) that not only were the batteries dead, but when I put the charger on them, the charger said "HMMMMMMMM" and  the amp-meter read around 1,000,000,000  (In other words, it was pinned) the internal circut tripped, and I went on to the other batteries.  They were the same.      Realizing that we still had 2 GIGANTIC sailboat batteries, also lead acid, I decided to put the charger on them.  (these had been sitting for around 1 and a half years, on the brick and dirt part) and noticed that they only needed a small charge, around 2 hours or so on trickle.  I tested them by using them at the local gas station for giving jump starts, and they worked fine for around 25 of 'em.    This leads me to believe one of several things.      1) I bought really #$%tty batteries last year. (sorta true)      2) the concrete has something to do with the discharge of the         batteries.      3) There was enough moisture to short out the terminals in the            room where the concrete is,       4) The dirt room was able to absorb the moisture in the air          better than concrete.  (BTW, I can almost waterski in the dirt room)       Any other ideas?     *could be the aliens, anything is possible.*  
From: brandt@cs.unc.edu (Andrew Brandt) Subject: Seeking good Alfa Romeo mechanic. Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: axon.cs.unc.edu Keywords: alfa, romeo, spider, mechanic  I am looking for recommendations for a good (great?) Alfa Romeo mechanic in South Jersey or Philadelphia or nearby.  I have a '78 Alfa Spider that needs some engine, tranny, steering work done.  The body is in quite good shape.  The car is awful in cold weather, won't start if below freezing (I know, I know, why drive a Spider if there's snow on the ground ...).  It has Bosch *mechanical* fuel injection that I am sure needs adjustment.  Any opinions are welcome on what to look for or who to call.  Email or post (to rec.autos), I will summarize if people want.  Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu)
From: Charles P. Cox, Jr. <cox@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu> Subject: PC stuff forsale Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 44 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: b61506.student.cwru.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 X-XXMessage-ID: <A7F733DEFC01F042@b61506.student.cwru.edu> X-XXDate: Sun, 18 Apr 93 21:35:42 GMT  I have the following items for sale.   Buyer pays the shipping costs.   Hardware is new and unused unless marked otherwise.   All software includes original disks and manuals.   No reasonable offers refused. Send offers/questions to cpc3@po.cwru.edu  Hardware --------- Hercules Graphics Card - mono graphics and printer ports Hercules Color Card -  color graphics and printer ports Teac 1.2MB 5.25"  floppy drive - doesn't work, sold as is for reapir or parts IBM ASYNC card - serial card for PC/XT/AT machines, comes with support software Kraft KC10 joystick - works with PC compatibles and Apple II series (not Mac) 360K 5.25" floppy disks - over 200 bulk-grade disks 2 floppy disk storage boxes - each holds 60 5.25" disks, one has a lock on it  Software --------- Microsoft Macro Assembler 5.0 and 5.1 update - large manual and tutorial included Sideways 3.0 - rotates wide spreadsheets 90 degrees to print on 1 page  Games ------ WolfPack - WWII submarine simultaion Space Station Oblivion - arcade-style game similar to Spectre Demon Stalkers - dungeon game, like Gauntlet Zork II, Moonmist, Ballyhoo - Infocom adventure/mystery games Jack Nicklaus' Unlimited Golf and Course Design - excellent golf game War In Middle Earth - similar to D&D games, based on Tolkien's "The Hobbit" Sargon 4 - excellent chess game, play against someone or against computer Silent Service II - submarine simulation  --- Charles P. Cox, Jr. Computer Engineering Case Western Reserve University cpc3@po.cwru.edu
From: mccullou@snake10.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) Subject: Re: Gulf War and Peace-niks Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 45  In article <930421.121209.0e2.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes: >jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >> The problem with most peace-niks it they consider those of us who are >> not like them to be "bad" and "unconscionable".  I would not have any >> argument or problem with a peace-nik if they held to their ideals and >> stayed out of all conflicts or issues, especially those dealing with  >> the national defense.  But no, they are not willing to allow us to >> legitimately hold a different point-of-view.  They militate and  >> many times resort to violence all in the name of peace. > ><Yawn>  Another right-wing WASP imagining he's an oppressed minority.  >Perhaps Camille Paglia is right after all.  Personal attacks?    >"I would not have any argument or problem with a peace-nik if they [...] >stayed out of all conflicts or issues"?  I bet you wouldn't.  You'd love it.   Deliberate misinterpretation of a persons statement?  (By cutting out the part of the statement, he tries to blunt the thrust of the sentence. He never addresses the issue of extreemist peace people not holding true to their ideals.)  >But what makes you think that sitting back, saying nothing about defense >issues, and letting people like you make all the decisions is anything to do >with "their ideals"?  Ignoring the challenge?  (He ignores the challenge that extreemists for peace tend to be quite insistent that everyone accept their ideals for the world, and have even turned quite violent.  (Witness, Chicago, summer 1968)).  > >mathew  Paranoia?  (He assumes that anyone who argues against his viewpoint must "masturbate over Guns'N'Ammo.")  Fire up the Oven, it isn't hot enough!  --  *************************************************************************** * mccullou@whipple.cs.wisc.edu * Never program and drink beer at the same * * M^2                          *  time.  It doesn't work.                 * ***************************************************************************
From: sjp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steve Phillips) Subject: Re: Ford and the automobile Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5 Lines: 14  : Ford and his automobile.  I need information on whether Ford is : partially responsible for all of the car accidents and the depletion of : the ozone layer.  Also, any other additional information will be greatly : appreciated.  Thanks.  :  SSSSSoooooooooooo!!!!! Its all HIS fault!! Thank God Louis Chevrolet is  innocent! and that guy Diesel, HE otto feel guilty!   -- Stephen Phillips Atlanta Response Center Atlanta, Ga. Home of the Braves!
From: cca20@keele.ac.uk (J. Atherton) Subject: Serial Printing Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk Summary: Output to serial printer garbles with Windows app. (e.g. Works) Keywords: Works Handshaking serial X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]  Hi, 	We've been having problems on a few setups when printing to a serial printer (dmp or Laser). I have used Works and Windows Write. The output is OK from DOS and if I send plain text output, but anything fancy garbles or just doesn't output. The exception is outputting to a Lserjet 4 which 'appears' to be fast enough receiving data, not to bother about handshaking messages. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. I've tried most of the Print/Network manager options I can think of. Anyone had similar problems they've cured and would like to tell me 'bout it?? Thanks  John Atherton    
From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Dreams and Degrees (was Re: Crazy? or just Imaginitive?) Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov  In article <C5xp0K.G79@brunel.ac.uk>, mt90dac@brunel.ac.uk (Del Cotter) writes: > <1993Apr21.205403.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >> Sorry if I do not have the big degrees >>and such, but I think (I might be wrong, to error is human) I have something >>that is in many ways just as important, I have imagination, dreams. And without >>dreams all the knowledge is worthless..  >  > Oh, and us with the big degrees don't got imagination, huh? >  > The alleged dichotomy between imagination and knowledge is one of the most > pernicious fallacys of the New Age.  Michael, thanks for the generous > offer, but we have quite enough dreams of our own, thank you.  Well said.   > You, on the other hand, are letting your own dreams go to waste by > failing to get the maths/thermodynamics/chemistry/(your choices here) > which would give your imagination wings. >  > Just to show this isn't a flame, I leave you with a quote from _Invasion of  > the Body Snatchers_: >  > "Become one of us; it's not so bad, you know"  Okay, Del, so Michael was being unfair, but you are being unfair back.   He is taking college courses now, I presume he is studying hard, and his postings reveal that he is *somewhat* hip to the technical issues of astronautics.  Plus, he is attentively following the erudite discourse of the Big Brains who post to sci.space; is it not inevitable that he will get a splendid technical education from reading the likes of you and me? [1]  Like others involved in sci.space, Mr. Adams shows symptoms of being a fledgling member of the technoculture, and I think he's soaking it up fast.  I was a young guy with dreams once, and they led me to get a technical education to follow them up.  Too bad I wound up in an assembly-line job stamping out identical neutrinos day after day... (-:  [1] Though rumors persist that Del and I are both pseudonyms of Fred McCall.  Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey              | "We'll see you Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory  | at White Sands in June.  Bitnet:           HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET  | You bring your view-graphs,  Internet:       HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV  | and I'll bring my rocketship."   SPAN/Hepnet:           43011::HIGGINS  | --Col. Pete Worden on the DC-X
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: "Cruel" (was Re: <Political Atheists?) Organization: sgi Lines: 20 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com  In article <1r5emjINNmk@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: |>  |> >But, this just shows then that painful execution is not considered  |> >"cruel" and unusual punishment. This shows that "cruel" as used in the  |> >constitution does NOT refer to whether or not the punishment causes physical  |> >pain. |> >Rather, it must be a different meaning. |>  |> I don't think so.  Although some forms of execution are painful (the electric |> chair looks particularly so), I think the pain is relatively short-lived. |> Drawing and quartering, on the other hand, looks very painful, and the |> victim wouldn't die right away (he'd bleed to death, I'd imagine).  So what do we have now, an integral over pain X time?  I get to lash you with a wet noodle for ever, but I only get to cut you up with a power saw if I'm quick about it?  jon.
From: simon@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Saint Story St. Aloysius Gonzaga Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 113  Heres a story of a Saint that people might like to read. I got it from a The Morning Star, and am posting it with the permission of the editor.       Saint Aloysius Gonzaga      The Patron of Youth       The marquis Gonzaga had high aspirations for his son, the  Prince     Gonzage.  He  wanted  him  to become a famous, brave and honoured     soldier. After all, he must carry on the  great  family  name  of     Gonzaga.  Of  course, he was to become far more famous, brave and     honoured than his father could ever have imagined; though not  in     the manner expected.      Saint Aloysius' mother was a woman who received immense joy  from     praying  to  God  and  meditating on the divine mysteries and the     life of Our Lord. She had little time for the pleasures  of  this     life.  As  Saint  Aloysius	grew, he began to resemble his mother     more than his father.      Saint Aloysius had learned numerous expressions from his father's     soldiers,  but the moment he discovered that they were vulgar, he     fainted from shock. This shows his immense hatred of sin (What an     example for us of the contempt we must have for sin).      About the time of his First Holy  Communion  (which  he  received     from  the  Archbishop  of  Milan,  Charles Borromeo, whom himself     became a great Saint), he con-secrated  his  purity  to  God  and     asked the Blessed Virgin to protect his innocence for life.      He wanted to share Our Lord's suffering to	show  his  reciprocal     love.  He  started by denying his passions; he avoided eating the     finest foods, wearing the best clothes, and would put  pieces  of     wood  in his bed in order to mortify himself for the love of God.     While he was in his early teens his  father  sent  him  (and  his     younger  brother)  to  the court of the Spanish King, Phillip 11.     Obediently, he set out to make the best of it. He mixed  in  well     with  the people of the royal court, for he was handsome, polite,     intelligent and always had something interesting to say.       Not long before this time, the great soldier-saint,  Saint	Igna-     tius  of  Loyola,  had founded the Society of Jesus (the Jesuits)     towards which Saint Aloysius   				  -12-            began to have a yearning. When he finally told  his  father,  the     marquis flew into a rage and forbade his son to become a priest.      After a short time, his father sent him to the  great  cities  in     order that he be tempted away from the priesthood, but even      through these trials, Saint Aloysius grew in his desire  for  the     religious life and was strengthened in the virtue of purity.      The Marquis' plans were obviously failing, so he con-fronted  his     son:  "Will  you or will you not obey me and forget this foolish-     ness?" "I will not, father," was the  in-evitable  reply.	"Then     leave from my sight and don't return until you change your mind!"     With tears clouding his eyes, the Saint left the  room  to	pray:     "Tell  me Lord, what am I to do? Tell me! Tell me!" He knelt down     to flagellate himself as he had done several  times  before,  but     this  time	he was seen. The onlooker rushed to the marquis. This     at last brought the proud man to his senses. "The Lord wants him,     the Lord can have him." He gave his consent for his son to become     a Jesuit.      After some years (at the end of the sixteenth century), a  terri-     ble  epidemic  broke out in Rome. All the hospitals were full and     could house no more, so the Jesuits opened their own. Saint Aloy-     sius  did  all he could in the hospitals, particularly to prepare     the dying for a holy death.      Saint Aloysius himself contracted the plague  from	carrying  and     nursing  the  sick.  For three months he lay with a burning fever     and finally, on June 21st, 1591, he gave his  soul	to  the  Lord     while gazing at a crucifix.      Let us invoke Saint Aloysius as our patron and imitate him in his     humility, purity and confidence in prayer.      Saint Aloysius Gonzaga, pray for us.      - Brendan Arthur           Prayer is as necessary to a person consecrated to the service  of     others as a sword is to a soldier  God Bless  From Simon Lines:  106 --  /----------------------------------------------------------------|-------\ |  Simon P. Shields Programmer           Viva Cristo Rey !!  ----|----   | |  MONASH UNIVERSITY COLLEGE GIPPSLAND Ph:+61 51 226 357       .JHS.     | |  Switchback Rd. Churchill.          Fax:+61 51 226 300       |\|/|     |
From: twain@carson.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) Subject: Re: Schatzki Ring/ PVC's Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu  In article <uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu-280493114107@spam.dom.uab.edu> uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) writes: >In article <1993Apr27.180334@betsy.gsfc.nasa.gov>, >ohandley@betsy.gsfc.nasa.gov wrote: >>  >> The second issue: [summarized]  He has had extra heartbeats for the past >3 to 4 years, and once was symptomatic from them, with some >lightheadedness. >He is young, (30-ish), thin and in good >> health (recent bloodtests were all normal), and do not smoke, use drugs or >> caffeine, etc. I'm willing to accept the extra beats as "normal", but don't >> want to ignore them if they might be some kind of warning symptom. The number >> of PVC's seems to increase throughout the day, and with exercise (or something >> as simple as climbing some stairs). Also, if I get up after sitting or lying >> down for a while, I tend to get a couple of extra beats. Could they possibly >> be related to the esophagous problems? Both seemed to develop at about the >> same time. > >I' not an expert on heart problems, but PVC's are common and have been >overtreated in the past.  My personal experience, and I have the same  >history an build you do (related to the heart, that is), is that my PVC's >come and go, with some months causing anxiety.  Taking on more fluids >seems to help, and they seem worse in the summer.  Remember that a slow  >heart rate will allow more PVC's to be apparent, so perhaps it is an  >indication of a healthy cardiac system (but ask an expert about that >last point, especially)  I too have had premature ventricular heartbeat, starting in 1974.  (These  are not, by the way, "extra" heartbeats.  This is how they feel, and  this is how I described them initially to the doctor, but they're  actually *premature* heartbeats.  I would sometimes experience a lapse  after one of these that went on for a suffocatingly long period of time,  making me wonder if my heart were ever going to beat again.)   I had them persistently for eighteen years.  Then I went on a low-fat  diet, and they just stopped.  I haven't had a single episode of PVH  for almost two years.  I know:  correlation does not imply causation.  This is just FWIW.    --Barbara    
From: kene@acs.bu.edu (Kenneth Engel) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 18  |> Imagine the worst depth of despair you've |> ever encountered, or the worst physical pain you've ever experienced. |> Some people suffer such emotional, physical, and mental anguish |> in their lives that their deaths seem to be merciful. But at least |> the pain does end in death. What if you lived a hundred such lives, |> at the conclusion of one you were instantly reborn into another? |> What if you lived a million, a billion years in this state? |> What if this kept going forever?   Did this happen to Jesus? I don't think so, not from what I heard. He lived ONE DAY of suffering and died. If the wages of sin is the above paragraph, then JESUS DIDN'T PAY FOR OUR SINS, DID HE?  I'd be surprised to see the moderator let this one through, but I seriously want a reasonable explanation for this.  ken
From: rcfec@westminster.ac.uk (James Holland) Subject: Re: Help Organization: University of Westminster Lines: 41  In article <Apr.21.03.26.51.1993.1379@geneva.rutgers.edu> lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes: >Hi everyone,  >	   I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem.  I know >that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet >hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools, >do you still think that just believing is enough?'  some deleted  >Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do) >as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James >in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out' > >Can anyone help me, this really bothers me.  Dear Will,  I've never replied on this thing before so I hope it gets thru ok. I had a few thoughts!:  "Faith on its own, if not accompanied by action is dead" - James 2:17  Faith is both belief and action. If I say that I am a great swimmer but I never go swimming, am I really a swimmer? and will people believe that I am? Likewise if I say I'm a Christian but I never talk to God, am I really a Christian? My faith is demonstrated by my action. The fact that we talk to God proves we have faith. Satan believes in God but does not follow Him!  In a similar vein, I have recently been challenged by 1John2:3-6 v3 says "We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commands" I find this verse quite encouraging as it could imply that 'if we have come to know Him, then we'll obey His commands' cos He lives within us and we cannot help but obey what He says. I tend to feel that as we daily submit ourself to God He will keep changing us into the likeness of Jesus and His fruit and works will be automatically produced in our lives.  Hope this helps.  James Holland (rcfec@westminster.ac.uk)
From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle) Subject: Re: What's the origin of "STAT?" Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute Lines: 16  In article <1993Apr28.100131.157926@zeus.calpoly.edu> dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) writes: >The term "stat" is used not only in medicine, but is a commonly used >indicator that something is urgent.   > >Does anyone know where it came from?  My dictionary was not helpful. > >--    From the word 'statim' (Latin, I think), meaning immediately.   =========================  Howard Doyle doyle+@pitt.edu
From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: free moral agency Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Distribution: na Lines: 15  Kent Sandvik (sandvik@newton.apple.com) wrote:  : I agree, I had a hard feeling not believing my grand-grand mother : who told me of elves dancing outside barns in the early mornings. : I preferred not to accept it, even if her statement provided : the truth itself. Life is hard.   Kent,  Truly a brilliant rebuttal. Apparently you are of the opinion that ridicule is a suitable substitute for reason; you'll find plenty of company a.a  Bill
From: RBNMTM@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com Subject: Re: Immaculate Conception (was Re: What WAS the immaculate Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 3  You forgot one thing "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". Mark
From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) Subject: Space FAQ 10/15 - Planetary Probe History Supersedes: <probe_730956556@cs.unc.edu> Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 527 Distribution: world Expires: 6 May 1993 19:59:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions  Archive-name: space/probe Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:19 $  PLANETARY PROBES - HISTORICAL MISSIONS      This section was lightly adapted from an original posting by Larry Klaes     (klaes@verga.enet.dec.com), mostly minor formatting changes. Matthew     Wiener (weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu) contributed the section on     Voyager, and the section on Sakigake was obtained from ISAS material     posted by Yoshiro Yamada (yamada@yscvax.ysc.go.jp).  US PLANETARY MISSIONS       MARINER (VENUS, MARS, & MERCURY FLYBYS AND ORBITERS)      MARINER 1, the first U.S. attempt to send a spacecraft to Venus, failed     minutes after launch in 1962. The guidance instructions from the ground     stopped reaching the rocket due to a problem with its antenna, so the     onboard computer took control. However, there turned out to be a bug in     the guidance software, and the rocket promptly went off course, so the     Range Safety Officer destroyed it. Although the bug is sometimes claimed     to have been an incorrect FORTRAN DO statement, it was actually a     transcription error in which the bar (indicating smoothing) was omitted     from the expression "R-dot-bar sub n" (nth smoothed value of derivative     of radius). This error led the software to treat normal minor variations     of velocity as if they were serious, leading to incorrect compensation.      MARINER 2 became the first successful probe to flyby Venus in December     of 1962, and it returned information which confirmed that Venus is a     very hot (800 degrees Fahrenheit, now revised to 900 degrees F.) world     with a cloud-covered atmosphere composed primarily of carbon dioxide     (sulfuric acid was later confirmed in 1978).      MARINER 3, launched on November 5, 1964, was lost when its protective     shroud failed to eject as the craft was placed into interplanetary     space. Unable to collect the Sun's energy for power from its solar     panels, the probe soon died when its batteries ran out and is now in     solar orbit. It was intended for a Mars flyby with MARINER 4.      MARINER 4, the sister probe to MARINER 3, did reach Mars in 1965 and     took the first close-up images of the Martian surface (22 in all) as it     flew by the planet. The probe found a cratered world with an atmosphere     much thinner than previously thought. Many scientists concluded from     this preliminary scan that Mars was a "dead" world in both the     geological and biological sense.      MARINER 5 was sent to Venus in 1967. It reconfirmed the data on that     planet collected five years earlier by MARINER 2, plus the information     that Venus' atmospheric pressure at its surface is at least 90 times     that of Earth's, or the equivalent of being 3,300 feet under the surface     of an ocean.      MARINER 6 and 7 were sent to Mars in 1969 and expanded upon the work     done by MARINER 4 four years earlier. However, they failed to take away     the concept of Mars as a "dead" planet, first made from the basic     measurements of MARINER 4.      MARINER 8 ended up in the Atlantic Ocean in 1971 when the rocket     launcher autopilot failed.      MARINER 9, the sister probe to MARINER 8, became the first craft to     orbit Mars in 1971. It returned information on the Red Planet that no     other probe had done before, revealing huge volcanoes on the Martian     surface, as well as giant canyon systems, and evidence that water once     flowed across the planet. The probe also took the first detailed closeup     images of Mars' two small moons, Phobos and Deimos.      MARINER 10 used Venus as a gravity assist to Mercury in 1974. The probe     did return the first close-up images of the Venusian atmosphere in     ultraviolet, revealing previously unseen details in the cloud cover,     plus the fact that the entire cloud system circles the planet in four     Earth days. MARINER 10 eventually made three flybys of Mercury from 1974     to 1975 before running out of attitude control gas. The probe revealed     Mercury as a heavily cratered world with a mass much greater than     thought. This would seem to indicate that Mercury has an iron core which     makes up 75 percent of the entire planet.       PIONEER (MOON, SUN, VENUS, JUPITER, and SATURN FLYBYS AND ORBITERS)      PIONEER 1 through 3 failed to meet their main objective - to photograph     the Moon close-up - but they did reach far enough into space to provide     new information on the area between Earth and the Moon, including new     data on the Van Allen radiation belts circling Earth. All three craft     had failures with their rocket launchers. PIONEER 1 was launched on     October 11, 1958, PIONEER 2 on November 8, and PIONEER 3 on December 6.      PIONEER 4 was a Moon probe which missed the Moon and became the first     U.S. spacecraft to orbit the Sun in 1959. PIONEER 5 was originally     designed to flyby Venus, but the mission was scaled down and it instead     studied the interplanetary environment between Venus and Earth out to     36.2 million kilometers in 1960, a record until MARINER 2. PIONEER 6     through 9 were placed into solar orbit from 1965 to 1968: PIONEER 6, 7,     and 8 are still transmitting information at this time. PIONEER E (would     have been number 10) suffered a launch failure in 1969.      PIONEER 10 became the first spacecraft to flyby Jupiter in 1973. PIONEER     11 followed it in 1974, and then went on to become the first probe to     study Saturn in 1979. Both vehicles should continue to function through     1995 and are heading off into interstellar space, the first craft ever     to do so.      PIONEER Venus 1 (1978) (also known as PIONEER Venus Orbiter, or PIONEER     12) burned up in the Venusian atmosphere on October 8, 1992. PVO made     the first radar studies of the planet's surface via probe. PIONEER Venus     2 (also known as PIONEER 13) sent four small probes into the atmosphere     in December of 1978. The main spacecraft bus burned up high in the     atmosphere, while the four probes descended by parachute towards the     surface. Though none were expected to survive to the surface, the Day     probe did make it and transmitted for 67.5 minutes on the ground before     its batteries failed.       RANGER (LUNAR LANDER AND IMPACT MISSIONS)      RANGER 1 and 2 were test probes for the RANGER lunar impact series. They     were meant for high Earth orbit testing in 1961, but rocket problems     left them in useless low orbits which quickly decayed.      RANGER 3, launched on January 26, 1962, was intended to land an     instrument capsule on the surface of the Moon, but problems during the     launch caused the probe to miss the Moon and head into solar orbit.     RANGER 3 did try to take some images of the Moon as it flew by, but the     camera was unfortunately aimed at deep space during the attempt.      RANGER 4, launched April 23, 1962, had the same purpose as RANGER 3, but     suffered technical problems enroute and crashed on the lunar farside,     the first U.S. probe to reach the Moon, albeit without returning data.      RANGER 5, launched October 18, 1962 and similar to RANGER 3 and 4, lost     all solar panel and battery power enroute and eventually missed the Moon     and drifted off into solar orbit.      RANGER 6 through 9 had more modified lunar missions: They were to send     back live images of the lunar surface as they headed towards an impact     with the Moon. RANGER 6 failed this objective in 1964 when its cameras     did not operate. RANGER 7 through 9 performed well, becoming the first     U.S. lunar probes to return thousands of lunar images through 1965.       LUNAR ORBITER (LUNAR SURFACE PHOTOGRAPHY)      LUNAR ORBITER 1 through 5 were designed to orbit the Moon and image     various sites being studied as landing areas for the manned APOLLO     missions of 1969-1972. The probes also contributed greatly to our     understanding of lunar surface features, particularly the lunar farside.     All five probes of the series, launched from 1966 to 1967, were     essentially successful in their missions. They were the first U.S.     probes to orbit the Moon. All LOs were eventually crashed into the lunar     surface to avoid interference with the manned APOLLO missions.       SURVEYOR (LUNAR SOFT LANDERS)      The SURVEYOR series were designed primarily to see if an APOLLO lunar     module could land on the surface of the Moon without sinking into the     soil (before this time, it was feared by some that the Moon was covered     in great layers of dust, which would not support a heavy landing     vehicle). SURVEYOR was successful in proving that the lunar surface was     strong enough to hold up a spacecraft from 1966 to 1968.      Only SURVEYOR 2 and 4 were unsuccessful missions. The rest became the     first U.S. probes to soft land on the Moon, taking thousands of images     and scooping the soil for analysis. APOLLO 12 landed 600 feet from     SURVEYOR 3 in 1969 and returned parts of the craft to Earth. SURVEYOR 7,     the last of the series, was a purely scientific mission which explored     the Tycho crater region in 1968.       VIKING (MARS ORBITERS AND LANDERS)      VIKING 1 was launched from Cape Canaveral, Florida on August 20, 1975 on     a TITAN 3E-CENTAUR D1 rocket. The probe went into Martian orbit on June     19, 1976, and the lander set down on the western slopes of Chryse     Planitia on July 20, 1976. It soon began its programmed search for     Martian micro-organisms (there is still debate as to whether the probes     found life there or not), and sent back incredible color panoramas of     its surroundings. One thing scientists learned was that Mars' sky was     pinkish in color, not dark blue as they originally thought (the sky is     pink due to sunlight reflecting off the reddish dust particles in the     thin atmosphere). The lander set down among a field of red sand and     boulders stretching out as far as its cameras could image.      The VIKING 1 orbiter kept functioning until August 7, 1980, when it ran     out of attitude-control propellant. The lander was switched into a     weather-reporting mode, where it had been hoped it would keep     functioning through 1994; but after November 13, 1982, an errant command     had been sent to the lander accidentally telling it to shut down until     further orders. Communication was never regained again, despite the     engineers' efforts through May of 1983.      An interesting side note: VIKING 1's lander has been designated the     Thomas A. Mutch Memorial Station in honor of the late leader of the     lander imaging team. The National Air and Space Museum in Washington,     D.C. is entrusted with the safekeeping of the Mutch Station Plaque until     it can be attached to the lander by a manned expedition.      VIKING 2 was launched on September 9, 1975, and arrived in Martian orbit     on August 7, 1976. The lander touched down on September 3, 1976 in     Utopia Planitia. It accomplished essentially the same tasks as its     sister lander, with the exception that its seisometer worked, recording     one marsquake. The orbiter had a series of attitude-control gas leaks in     1978, which prompted it being shut down that July. The lander was shut     down on April 12, 1980.      The orbits of both VIKING orbiters should decay around 2025.       VOYAGER (OUTER PLANET FLYBYS)      VOYAGER 1 was launched September 5, 1977, and flew past Jupiter on March     5, 1979 and by Saturn on November 13, 1980. VOYAGER 2 was launched     August 20, 1977 (before VOYAGER 1), and flew by Jupiter on August 7,     1979, by Saturn on August 26, 1981, by Uranus on January 24, 1986, and     by Neptune on August 8, 1989. VOYAGER 2 took advantage of a rare     once-every-189-years alignment to slingshot its way from outer planet to     outer planet. VOYAGER 1 could, in principle, have headed towards Pluto,     but JPL opted for the sure thing of a Titan close up.      Between the two probes, our knowledge of the 4 giant planets, their     satellites, and their rings has become immense. VOYAGER 1&2 discovered     that Jupiter has complicated atmospheric dynamics, lightning and     aurorae. Three new satellites were discovered. Two of the major     surprises were that Jupiter has rings and that Io has active sulfurous     volcanoes, with major effects on the Jovian magnetosphere.      When the two probes reached Saturn, they discovered over 1000 ringlets     and 7 satellites, including the predicted shepherd satellites that keep     the rings stable. The weather was tame compared with Jupiter: massive     jet streams with minimal variance (a 33-year great white spot/band cycle     is known). Titan's atmosphere was smoggy. Mimas' appearance was     startling: one massive impact crater gave it the Death Star appearance.     The big surprise here was the stranger aspects of the rings. Braids,     kinks, and spokes were both unexpected and difficult to explain.      VOYAGER 2, thanks to heroic engineering and programming efforts,     continued the mission to Uranus and Neptune. Uranus itself was highly     monochromatic in appearance. One oddity was that its magnetic axis was     found to be highly skewed from the already completely skewed rotational     axis, giving Uranus a peculiar magnetosphere. Icy channels were found on     Ariel, and Miranda was a bizarre patchwork of different terrains. 10     satellites and one more ring were discovered.      In contrast to Uranus, Neptune was found to have rather active weather,     including numerous cloud features. The ring arcs turned out to be bright     patches on one ring. Two other rings, and 6 other satellites, were     discovered. Neptune's magnetic axis was also skewed. Triton had a     canteloupe appearance and geysers. (What's liquid at 38K?)      The two VOYAGERs are expected to last for about two more decades. Their     on-target journeying gives negative evidence about possible planets     beyond Pluto. Their next major scientific discovery should be the     location of the heliopause.   SOVIET PLANETARY MISSIONS      Since there have been so many Soviet probes to the Moon, Venus, and     Mars, I will highlight only the primary missions:       SOVIET LUNAR PROBES      LUNA 1 - Lunar impact attempt in 1959, missed Moon and became first 	     craft in solar orbit.     LUNA 2 - First craft to impact on lunar surface in 1959.     LUNA 3 - Took first images of lunar farside in 1959.     ZOND 3 - Took first images of lunar farside in 1965 since LUNA 3. Was 	     also a test for future Mars missions.     LUNA 9 - First probe to soft land on the Moon in 1966, returned images 	     from surface.     LUNA 10 - First probe to orbit the Moon in 1966.     LUNA 13 - Second successful Soviet lunar soft landing mission in 1966.     ZOND 5 - First successful circumlunar craft. ZOND 6 through 8 	     accomplished similar missions through 1970. The probes were 	     unmanned tests of a manned orbiting SOYUZ-type lunar vehicle.     LUNA 16 - First probe to land on Moon and return samples of lunar soil 	      to Earth in 1970. LUNA 20 accomplished similar mission in 	      1972.     LUNA 17 - Delivered the first unmanned lunar rover to the Moon's 	      surface, LUNOKHOD 1, in 1970. A similar feat was accomplished 	      with LUNA 21/LUNOKHOD 2 in 1973.     LUNA 24 - Last Soviet lunar mission to date. Returned soil samples in 	      1976.       SOVIET VENUS PROBES      VENERA 1 - First acknowledged attempt at Venus mission. Transmissions 	       lost enroute in 1961.     VENERA 2 - Attempt to image Venus during flyby mission in tandem with 	       VENERA 3. Probe ceased transmitting just before encounter in 	       February of 1966. No images were returned.     VENERA 3 - Attempt to place a lander capsule on Venusian surface. 	       Transmissions ceased just before encounter and entire probe 	       became the first craft to impact on another planet in 1966.     VENERA 4 - First probe to successfully return data while descending 	       through Venusian atmosphere. Crushed by air pressure before 	       reaching surface in 1967. VENERA 5 and 6 mission profiles 	       similar in 1969.     VENERA 7 - First probe to return data from the surface of another planet 	       in 1970. VENERA 8 accomplished a more detailed mission in 	       1972.     VENERA 9 - Sent first image of Venusian surface in 1975. Was also the 	       first probe to orbit Venus. VENERA 10 accomplished similar 	       mission.     VENERA 13 - Returned first color images of Venusian surface in 1982. 		VENERA 14 accomplished similar mission.     VENERA 15 - Accomplished radar mapping with VENERA 16 of sections of 		planet's surface in 1983 more detailed than PVO.     VEGA 1 - Accomplished with VEGA 2 first balloon probes of Venusian 	     atmosphere in 1985, including two landers. Flyby buses went on 	     to become first spacecraft to study Comet Halley close-up in 	     March of 1986.       SOVIET MARS PROBES      MARS 1 - First acknowledged Mars probe in 1962. Transmissions ceased 	     enroute the following year.     ZOND 2 - First possible attempt to place a lander capsule on Martian 	     surface. Probe signals ceased enroute in 1965.     MARS 2 - First Soviet Mars probe to land - albeit crash - on Martian 	     surface. Orbiter section first Soviet probe to circle the Red 	     Planet in 1971.     MARS 3 - First successful soft landing on Martian surface, but lander 	     signals ceased after 90 seconds in 1971.     MARS 4 - Attempt at orbiting Mars in 1974, braking rockets failed to 	     fire, probe went on into solar orbit.     MARS 5 - First fully successful Soviet Mars mission, orbiting Mars in 	     1974. Returned images of Martian surface comparable to U.S. 	     probe MARINER 9.     MARS 6 - Landing attempt in 1974. Lander crashed into the surface.     MARS 7 - Lander missed Mars completely in 1974, went into a solar orbit 	     with its flyby bus.     PHOBOS 1 - First attempt to land probes on surface of Mars' largest 	       moon, Phobos. Probe failed enroute in 1988 due to 	       human/computer error.     PHOBOS 2 - Attempt to land probes on Martian moon Phobos. The probe did 	       enter Mars orbit in early 1989, but signals ceased one week 	       before scheduled Phobos landing.      While there has been talk of Soviet Jupiter, Saturn, and even     interstellar probes within the next thirty years, no major steps have     yet been taken with these projects. More intensive studies of the Moon,     Mars, Venus, and various comets have been planned for the 1990s, and a     Mercury mission to orbit and land probes on the tiny world has been     planned for 2003. How the many changes in the former Soviet Union (now     the Commonwealth of Independent States) will affect the future of their     space program remains to be seen.   JAPANESE PLANETARY MISSIONS      SAKIGAKE (MS-T5) was launched from the Kagoshima Space Center by ISAS on     January 8 1985, and approached Halley's Comet within about 7 million km     on March 11, 1986. The spacecraft is carrying three instru- ments to     measure interplanetary magnetic field/plasma waves/solar wind, all of     which work normally now, so ISAS made an Earth swingby by Sakigake on     January 8, 1992 into an orbit similar to the earth's. The closest     approach was at 23h08m47s (JST=UTC+9h) on January 8, 1992. The     geocentric distance was 88,997 km. This is the first planet-swingby for     a Japanese spacecraft.      During the approach, Sakigake observed the geotail. Some geotail     passages will be scheduled in some years hence. The second Earth-swingby     will be on June 14, 1993 (at 40 Re (Earth's radius)), and the third     October 28, 1994 (at 86 Re).       HITEN, a small lunar probe, was launched into Earth orbit on January 24,     1990. The spacecraft was then known as MUSES-A, but was renamed to Hiten     once in orbit. The 430 lb probe looped out from Earth and made its first     lunary flyby on March 19, where it dropped off its 26 lb midget     satellite, HAGOROMO. Japan at this point became the third nation to     orbit a satellite around the Moon, joining the Unites States and USSR.      The smaller spacecraft, Hagoromo, remained in orbit around the Moon. An     apparently broken transistor radio caused the Japanese space scientists     to lose track of it. Hagoromo's rocket motor fired on schedule on March     19, but the spacecraft's tracking transmitter failed immediately. The     rocket firing of Hagoromo was optically confirmed using the Schmidt     camera (105-cm, F3.1) at the Kiso Observatory in Japan.      Hiten made multiple lunar flybys at approximately monthly intervals and     performed aerobraking experiments using the Earth's atmosphere. Hiten     made a close approach to the moon at 22:33 JST (UTC+9h) on February 15,     1992 at the height of 423 km from the moon's surface (35.3N, 9.7E) and     fired its propulsion system for about ten minutes to put the craft into     lunar orbit. The following is the orbital calculation results after the     approach:  	Apoapsis Altitude: about 49,400 km 	Periapsis Altitude: about 9,600 km 	Inclination	: 34.7 deg (to ecliptic plane) 	Period		: 4.7 days   PLANETARY MISSION REFERENCES      I also recommend reading the following works, categorized in three     groups: General overviews, specific books on particular space missions,     and periodical sources on space probes. This list is by no means     complete; it is primarily designed to give you places to start your     research through generally available works on the subject. If anyone can     add pertinent works to the list, it would be greatly appreciated.      Though naturally I recommend all the books listed below, I think it     would be best if you started out with the general overview books, in     order to give you a clear idea of the history of space exploration in     this area. I also recommend that you pick up some good, up-to-date     general works on astronomy and the Sol system, to give you some extra     background. Most of these books and periodicals can be found in any good     public and university library. Some of the more recently published works     can also be purchased in and/or ordered through any good mass- market     bookstore.      General Overviews (in alphabetical order by author):        J. Kelly Beatty et al, THE NEW SOLAR SYSTEM, 1990.        Merton E. Davies and Bruce C. Murray, THE VIEW FROM SPACE:        PHOTOGRAPHIC EXPLORATION OF THE PLANETS, 1971        Kenneth Gatland, THE ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF SPACE        TECHNOLOGY, 1990        Kenneth Gatland, ROBOT EXPLORERS, 1972        R. Greeley, PLANETARY LANDSCAPES, 1987        Douglas Hart, THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF SOVIET SPACECRAFT, 1987        Nicholas L. Johnson, HANDBOOK OF SOVIET LUNAR AND PLANETARY        EXPLORATION, 1979        Clayton R. Koppes, JPL AND THE AMERICAN SPACE PROGRAM: A        HISTORY OF THE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY, 1982        Richard S. Lewis, THE ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE        UNIVERSE, 1983        Mark Littman, PLANETS BEYOND: DISCOVERING THE OUTER SOLAR        SYSTEM, 1988        Eugene F. Mallove and Gregory L. Matloff, THE STARFLIGHT        HANDBOOK: A PIONEER'S GUIDE TO INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL, 1989        Frank Miles and Nicholas Booth, RACE TO MARS: THE MARS        FLIGHT ATLAS, 1988        Bruce Murray, JOURNEY INTO SPACE, 1989        Oran W. Nicks, FAR TRAVELERS, 1985 (NASA SP-480)        James E. Oberg, UNCOVERING SOVIET DISASTERS: EXPLORING THE        LIMITS OF GLASNOST, 1988        Carl Sagan, COMET, 1986        Carl Sagan, THE COSMIC CONNECTION, 1973        Carl Sagan, PLANETS, 1969 (LIFE Science Library)        Arthur Smith, PLANETARY EXPLORATION: THIRTY YEARS OF UNMANNED        SPACE PROBES, 1988        Andrew Wilson, (JANE'S) SOLAR SYSTEM LOG, 1987      Specific Mission References:        Charles A. Cross and Patrick Moore, THE ATLAS OF MERCURY, 1977        (The MARINER 10 mission to Venus and Mercury, 1973-1975)        Joel Davis, FLYBY: THE INTERPLANETARY ODYSSEY OF VOYAGER 2, 1987        Irl Newlan, FIRST TO VENUS: THE STORY OF MARINER 2, 1963        Margaret Poynter and Arthur L. Lane, VOYAGER: THE STORY OF A        SPACE MISSION, 1984        Carl Sagan, MURMURS OF EARTH, 1978 (Deals with the Earth        information records placed on VOYAGER 1 and 2 in case the        probes are found by intelligences in interstellar space,        as well as the probes and planetary mission objectives        themselves.)      Other works and periodicals:      NASA has published very detailed and technical books on every space     probe mission it has launched. Good university libraries will carry     these books, and they are easily found simply by knowing which mission     you wish to read about. I recommend these works after you first study     some of the books listed above.      Some periodicals I recommend for reading on space probes are NATIONAL     GEOGRAPHIC, which has written articles on the PIONEER probes to Earth's     Moon Luna and the Jovian planets Jupiter and Saturn, the RANGER,     SURVEYOR, LUNAR ORBITER, and APOLLO missions to Luna, the MARINER     missions to Mercury, Venus, and Mars, the VIKING probes to Mars, and the     VOYAGER missions to Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune.      More details on American, Soviet, European, and Japanese probe missions     can be found in SKY AND TELESCOPE, ASTRONOMY, SCIENCE, NATURE, and     SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN magazines. TIME, NEWSWEEK, and various major     newspapers can supply not only general information on certain missions,     but also show you what else was going on with Earth at the time events     were unfolding, if that is of interest to you. Space missions are     affected by numerous political, economic, and climatic factors, as you     probably know.      Depending on just how far your interest in space probes will go, you     might also wish to join The Planetary Society, one of the largest space     groups in the world dedicated to planetary exploration. Their     periodical, THE PLANETARY REPORT, details the latest space probe     missions. Write to The Planetary Society, 65 North Catalina Avenue,     Pasadena, California 91106 USA.      Good luck with your studies in this area of space exploration. I     personally find planetary missions to be one of the more exciting areas     in this field, and the benefits human society has and will receive from     it are incredible, with many yet to be realized.      Larry Klaes  klaes@verga.enet.dec.com  NEXT: FAQ #11/15 - Upcoming planetary probes - missions and schedules
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From: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Subject: HICN611 Medical News Part 4/4 Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Distribution: world Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY Lines: 625  ------------- cut here ----------------- call for employers to keep  information about the HIV status of health-care  workers  confidential.  But doctors who know of an HIV-positive colleague  who  has not sought advice must inform the employing authority and the appropriate  professional regulatory body.  The guidelines  also emphasize the significance  of notifying all patients on whom an invasive procedure has been done by an  infected health-care  worker.  A model letter to patients who have come into  contact  with such an individual is provided, along with suggestions for   health officials on how to deal with the media.  In addition, a  U.K. advisory  panel on HIV infection in health-care workers has  been formed to provide  specific occupational recommendations to  those treating such patients.  ==================================================================     "Properties of an HIV 'Vaccine'" Nature (04/08/93) Vol. 362, No. 6420, P. 504    (Volvovitz, Franklin and Smith, Gale)        The questions raised by Moore et al. about recombinant gp160  envelope  glycoprotein precursor from HIV-1 produced by  MicroGeneSys are advantages  rather than disadvantages, write  Franklin Volvovitz and Gale Smith of  MicroGeneSys in Meriden,  Conn.  Moore et al. says that gp160 in a baculovirus  expression  system does not bind strongly to the CD4 receptor, and that this   recombinant gp160 does not stimulate the same antibodies as the  HIV-1 virus  does in natural infection.  But vaccination with  recombinant gp160 in  patients infected with HIV-1 broadens HIV-1  specific envelope-directed immune  responses, including  crossreactive antibodies to gp160 epitopes and CD4 and  CD8  cytotoxic T-cell responses.  Volvovitz and Smith claim that they  never  intended their gp160 molecule to be identical to the native protein.  Antibody  responses against native HIV-1 proteins,  including the types described by  Moore et al., exist in nearly  all AIDS patients but do not prevent   HICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 42 Volume  6, Number 11                                           April 25, 1993  progression of HIV disease.  In addition, the binding of gp120 or gp120- antibody complexes to  CD4 has been shown to interfere with antigen specific  activation  of CD4 cells and trigger programmed cell death in vitro, which   may contribute to the pathogenesis of HIV infection.  The absence of CD4  binding by the MicroGeneSys gp160 vaccine may therefore be viewed as an added  safety feature.  Phase I studies have  demonstrated stable CD4 counts,  stimulation of cytotoxic T cells, and the suggestion of restoration of immune  function.  Based on  these and other clinical results, MicroGeneSys gp160 was  chosen  by researchers at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden for the  first  phase III vaccine therapy studies, conclude Volvovitz and  Smith.  ==================================================================     "HIV-1 Infection: Breast Milk and HIV-1 Transmission" Lancet (04/10/93) Vol.  341, No. 8850, P. 930  (Mok, Jacqueline)        There are still more questions than answers regarding  HIV-1-positive  women breastfeeding their babies, writes  Jacqueline Mok of the Lancet.  The  anti-infective properties of  milk are well documented.  While the numbers of  leukocytes,  concentrations of lactoferrin and IgA, and lymphocyte mitogenic   activity decline sharply during the first two to three months of  lactation to  barely detectable levels, lactoferrin and IgA then  increase from three to  twelve months, with 90 percent of total  IgA in milk being secretory IgA.   Breastfeeding protects infants  against gastrointestinal and respiratory  illnesses, in both  normal and uninfected children born to HIV-positive  mothers.  The Italian National Registry of AIDS discovered that breastfed HIV- 1 infected children had a longer median incubation time (19 months) than  bottlefed infants (9.7 months).  Breastfed children also had a slower  progression to AIDS.  There is no agreement on which  antibodies offer  protection against HIV-1 infection.  Studies of  the biological properties of  milk from 15 HIV-1 infected women  showed the presence of IgG and IgA  antibodies against envelope  glycoproteins, as well as IgA antibodies against  core antigens.   Binding of HIV-1 to the CD4 receptor can be inhibited by a  human  milk factor.  In the developing world, where infectious disease  and  malnutrition contribute significantly to infant mortality,  breast milk is  still the best food for infants, regardless of the mother's HIV status.   Transmission might be restricted by  breastfeeding after colostrum and early  milk have been expressed  and discarded.  The possibility remains that breast  milk could  protect the infant who is already infected with HIV at birth and   may even delay progression to AIDS, concludes Mok.  ==================================================================     "Absence of HIV Transmission From an Infected Dentist to His Patients" Journal  of the American Medical Association (04/14/93) Vol. 269,  No. 14, P. 1802   (Dickinson, Gordon M. et al.)        If universal precautions are practiced, the risk of HIV  transmission  from dentist to patient appears to be infinitesimal, write Gordon M. Dickinson   HICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 43 Volume  6, Number 11                                           April 25, 1993  et al. of the University of Miami  School of Medicine in Miami, Fla.  The  researchers contacted all  patients treated by a dentist with AIDS and  attempts were made to contact all patients for HIV testing.  Living patients  with newly detected HIV infection were interviewed, and DNA sequence  analysis  was performed to compare genetic relatedness of their  HIV to that of the  dentist.  Death certificates were obtained for deceased patients, and the  medical records of those with  diagnoses suggestive of HIV disease or drug  abuse and those dying under the age of 50 years were examined in detail.   There were  1,192 patients who had undergone 9,267 procedures, of whom 124   were deceased.  An examination of the death certificates of  patients  identified five who had died with HIV infection, all of  whom were either  homosexuals or IV-drug users.  The researchers  were able to detect 962 of the  remaining 1,048 patients, and 900  agreed to be tested.  HIV infection was  reported in five of the  900 patients, including four who had clear evidence  of risk  factors for the disease.  One patient who had only a single   evaluation by the dentist denied high-risk behavior.  Comparative DNA sequence  analysis showed that the viruses from the dentists  and these five patients  were not closely related.  The study  suggests the potential for HIV  transmission from a general  dentist to his patients is minimal in a setting  in which  universal precautions are strictly observed, conclude Dickinson  et  al.         ================================================================                                    April 22, 1993         ================================================================    "AIDS Patients are Susceptible to Recurrences of TB, Study Says" Washington  Post (04/22/93), P. A13        Tuberculosis can strike AIDS patients more than once, which makes the  resurging health hazard harder to control, according to a  study published in  today's New England Journal of Medicine.   People who contract TB usually  develop an immunity that protects  them if they are exposed to the bacteria  again.  But a person  whose immune system is depleted may not be able to fight  off a  new TB infection, doctors found.  Peter M. Small of the Howard  Hughes  Medical Institute at Stanford University, director of the  study, said that in  order to protect against reinfection, it may  be necessary for some people to  use TB medicines permanently.   The study examined the genetic makeup of TB  bacteria and how the  germs changed over time in 17 patients at Kings County  Hospital  in New York.  ================================================================     "HIV-1 Infection: Breast Milk and HIV-1 Transmission" Lancet (04/10/93) Vol.  341, No. 8850, P. 930  (Mok, Jacqueline)        There are still more questions than answers regarding  HIV-1-positive  women breastfeeding their babies, writes  Jacqueline Mok of the Lancet.  The  anti-infective properties of  milk are well documented.  While the numbers of   HICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 44 Volume  6, Number 11                                           April 25, 1993  leukocytes,  concentrations of lactoferrin and IgA, and lymphocyte mitogenic   activity decline sharply during the first two to three months of  lactation to  barely detectable levels, lactoferrin and IgA then  increase from three to  twelve months, with 90 percent of total  IgA in milk being secretory IgA.   Breastfeeding protects infants  against gastrointestinal and respiratory  illnesses, in both  normal and uninfected children born to HIV-positive  mothers.  The Italian National Registry of AIDS discovered that breastfed HIV- 1 infected children had a longer median incubation time (19 months) than  bottlefed infants (9.7 months).  Breastfed children also had a slower  progression to AIDS.  There is no agreement on which  antibodies offer  protection against HIV-1 infection.  Studies of  the biological properties of  milk from 15 HIV-1 infected women  showed the presence of IgG and IgA  antibodies against envelope  glycoproteins, as well as IgA antibodies against  core antigens.   Binding of HIV-1 to the CD4 receptor can be inhibited by a  human  milk factor.  In the developing world, where infectious disease  and  malnutrition contribute significantly to infant mortality,  breast milk is  still the best food for infants, regardless of the mother's HIV status.   Transmission might be restricted by  breastfeeding after colostrum and early  milk have been expressed  and discarded.  The possibility remains that breast  milk could  protect the infant who is already infected with HIV at birth and   may even delay progression to AIDS, concludes Mok.  ================================================================    "HIV and the Aetiology of AIDS" Lancet (04/10/93) Vol. 341, No. 8850, P. 957   (Duesberg, Peter)        Because there is no proof that HIV is the cause of AIDS, the  hypothesis  that drug use leads to AIDS will hopefully become a  hindrance to the  physiologically (AZT) and psychologically  (positive AIDS test) toxic public  health initiatives, writes  Peter Duesberg of the University of California-- Berkeley.  In the Lancet's March 13 issue, Schechter et al. call Duesberg's   hypothesis that injected and orally used recreational drugs and  AZT lead to  AIDS, "a hindrance to public health initiatives."   However, their hypothesis  that HIV is the cause of AIDS has not  attained any public health benefits.   The U.S. government spends  $4 billion annually, but no vaccine, no therapy,  no prevention,  and no AIDS control have resulted from work on this  hypothesis.   Schechter et al. conclude that HIV has a key role in CD4   depletion and AIDS based on epidemiological correlations with  antibodies  against HIV and with self reported recreational drug  use among homosexuals  from Vancouver.  However, their survey  neglects to disprove Duesberg's drug- AIDS hypothesis, because it  does not provide controls--i.e., confirmed drug- free AIDS  cases--and because it does not quantify drug use and ignores AZT   use altogether.  To refute Duesberg's hypothesis Schechter would  have to  produce a controlled study demonstrating that over a  period of up to 10 years  HIV-positive patients who use  recreational drugs or AZT or both have the same  AIDS risks as  positives who do not do so.  The 10 year period is claimed by    HICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 45 Volume  6, Number 11                                           April 25, 1993  proponents of the HIV hypothesis to be the time needed for HIV to cause AIDS.   Alternatively, they could show that HIV-free  individuals who have used drugs  for 10 years never get  AIDS-defining illnesses, concludes Duesberg.  ================================================================    "Rapid Decline of CD4+ Cells After IFNa Treatment in HIV-1  Infection"  Lancet (04/10/93) Vol. 341, No. 8850, P. 959   (Vento, Sandro et al.)        Interferon (IFN), which induces autoantibodies and autoimmune  diseases  in some settings, may hasten CD4 T-cell loss in some  HIV-1 infected  individuals through the amplification of harmful  "autoimmune" reactions,  write Sandro Vento et al. of the A.  Pugliese Hospital in Catanzaro, Italy.   The researchers report  three asymptomatic HIV-1 infected individuals with  hepatitis C  Virus related chronic active hepatitis (CAH) who had a rapid,   profound decline of CD4 cells after IFN.  All three patients  throughout the  observation were consistently negative for serum  HIV p24 antigen and had  circulating antibodies to p24.  Sera from all three patients, obtained at the  end of IFN treatment and  testing in enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay,  contained high  titres of antibodies reacting to a sequence located in the   aminoterminal of the beta chain of all human HLA class II  antigens,  homologous to a sequence located in the carboxy  terminus of HIV-1 gp41.   These autoantibodies, which also  recognize "native" class II molecules and  may contribute to the  elimination of CD4 T cells "in vivo", were at low tires  (50-100)  in all three patients six months after stopping IFN.  Such   autoantibodies were not detected in 28 other patients with HIV  infection and  HCV related CAH treated with IFN and who did not  experience CD4 T-cell loss  in some HIV-1 infected individuals  through the amplification of harmful  "autoimmune" reactions.  The subjects had A1; B8; DR3; and B35, DR1 HLA  antigen combinations  which are linked with a more rapid fall in CD4 cell  counts and  clinical progression of HIV-1 disease.  IFN can induce a very   rapid decline of CD4 cells and should be used cautiously in  patients with  these HLA haplotypes, the researchers conclude.         ================================================================                                    April 23, 1993         ================================================================     "TB Makes a Comeback" State Government News (04/93) Vol. 36, No. 4, P. 6    (Voit, William and Knapp, Elaine S.)        Although tuberculosis was once believed to be eliminated in the  United  States, it is emerging again among the homeless, AIDS  patients, immigrants,  minorities, and prisoners.  Dr. Lee B.  Reichman, professor of medicine at the  University of New Jersey  Medical School and president of the American Lung  Association,  said, "Right now, it's a big city problem, but potentially it's   everyone's problem."  The ALA predicts that 10 million Americans  are infected  with TB, and about 10 percent of them will develop  the disease because their  immune systems are depressed,  especially those with AIDS or HIV.  Gene   HICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 46 Volume  6, Number 11                                           April 25, 1993  Tammes, a Centers for  Disease Control expert, said that is why the CDC has  issued  guidelines warning hospitals and institutions not to mix AIDS  with TB  patients.  State health officials believe the TB is also  spreading because  those who are most susceptible are the least  likely to follow through with  treatment.  In addition, the  increase is attributed to a shortage of public  health services.   In New York City, TB is an epidemic "because the number of  cases  is increasing faster than we can treat people," said Dr. George   Diferdinando, director of the New York State TB Control.   According to  Diferdinando, curbing the spread of TB entails  keeping 85 percent or more of  diagnosed TB cases in treatment.   About 40 percent of infected New York City  residents don't  complete therapy.  When TB patients don't finish taking their   medication, multi-drug resistant TB can develop, which requires  taking more  expensive drugs and can take two years instead of the normal six months to  treat.  ================================================================      "Increasing Frequency of Heterosexually Transmitted AIDS in  Southern  Florida: Artifact or Reality?" American Journal of Public Health (04/93) Vol.  83, No. 4, P. 571  (Nwanyanwu, Okey C. et al.)        The alarmingly high rate of heterosexually acquired AIDS cases in  southern Florida was partially related to misclassification of  risk, write  Okey C. Nwanyanwu et al. of the Centers for Disease  Control in Atlanta, Ga.   The researchers investigated 168 such  AIDS cases from Broward and coastal  Palm Beach counties.  All of  these cases attributed to heterosexual  transmission reported  sexual contact with bisexual men, injecting drug users,  or  persons born in countries where heterosexual contact is the  primary route  of HIV transmission.  Medical records of patients,  in addition to records  from social services, HIV counseling and  testing centers, and sexually  transmitted disease (STD) clinics  were reviewed.  If no other HIV risk factor  was found from  medical record review, patients were interviewed using a   standardized questionnaire.  Once STD clinic and other medical  records were  reviewed, 29 men and 7 women were reclassified into  other HIV transmission  categories.  After adjustments were made  for the reclassification, the  percentage of AIDS cases reported  from Palm Beach and Broward counties  between January 1, 1989, and March 31, 1990, that was attributed to  heterosexual transmission  decreased from 10 percent to 6 percent among men  and from 33  percent to 28 percent among women.  While the percentage of   heterosexually transmitted AIDS cases in southern Florida  decreased after  adjustment was made for reclassified cases, it  still remained above the  national average, the researchers  conclude.      HICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 47 Volume  6, Number 11                                           April 25, 1993    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::                                 AIDS Statistics ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::                              World Health Organization, Geneva                         Organisation mondiale de la Sante, Geneve                                WEEKLY EPIDEMIOLOGICAL RECORD                            RELEVE EPIDEMIOLOGIQUE HEBDOMADAIRE  15 January 1993 - 68th Year                          ACQUIRED IMMUNODEFICIENCY SYNDROME (AIDS)                                DATA AS AT 31 December 1992                         SYNDROME D'IMMUNODEFICIENCE ACQUISE (SIDA)                                DONNEES AU 31 Decembre 1992                                             NUMBER                 DATE OF                                          OF CASES                 REPORT COUNTRY/AREA -                             NOMBRE                 DATE         PAYS/TERRITOIRE                    DE CAS                 DE                                                                   NOTIFI-                                                                   CATION AFRICA - AFRIQUE  Algeria - Algerie                              92                 31.08.91 Angola                                        514                 24.09.92 Benin - Benin                                 247                 31.03.92 Botswana                                      353                 30.06.92 Burkina Faso                                1,263                 20.03.92 Burundi                                     6,052                 20.03.92 Cameroon - Cameroun                         1,407                 05.10.92 Cape Verde - Cap-Vert                          52                 08.02.92 Central African Republic -         Republique centrafricaine           1,864                 20.03.92 Chad - Tchad                                  382                 17.09.92 Comoros - Comores                               3                 11.03.92 Congo                                       3,482                 30.01.92 Cote d'Ivoire                              10,792                 09.03.92 Djibouti                                      265                 17.12.92 Egypt - Egypte                                 57                 17.12.92 Equatorial Guinea -          Guinee equatoriale                     13                 16.05.92 Ethiopia - Ethiopie                         3,978                 11.11.92  HICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 48 Volume  6, Number 11                                           April 25, 1993  Gabon                                         215                 31.05.92 Gambia - Gambie                               180                 25.02.92 Ghana                                       3,612                 01.07.92 Guinea - Guinee                               338                 20.03.92 Guinea-Bissau - Guinee-Bissau                 189                 13.07.92 Kenya                                      31,185                 01.10.92 Lesotho                                        64                 31.03.92 Liberia - Liberia                              28                 31.03.92 Libyan Arab Jamahiriya -         Jamahiriya arabe libyenne               7                 17.12.92 Madagascar                                      2                 06.11.92 Malawi                                     22,300                 02.12.92 Mali                                        1,111                 17.07.92 Mauritania - Mauritanie                        36                 19.07.92 Mauritius - Maurice                            11                 29.02.92 Morocco - Maroc                               121                 17.12.92 Mozambique                                    538                 10.10.92 Namibia - Namibie                             311                 20.03.92 Niger                                         497                 07.02.92 Nigeria - Nigeria                             184                 12.03.92 Reunion - Reunion                              65                 20.03.92 Rwanda                                      8,483                 12.11.92 Sao Tome and Principe -         Sao Tome-et-Principe                   11                 03.07.92 Senegal - Senegal                             648                 09.03.92 Seychelles                                    ---                 18.02.92 Sierra Leone                                   40                 20.03.92 Somalia - Somalie                              13                 17.12.92 South Africa -          Afrique du Sud                      1,316                 30.06.92 Sudan - Soudan                                650                 17.12.92 Swaziland                                     197                 08.07.92 Togo                                        1,278                 03.04.92 Tunisia - Tunisie                             114                 17.12.92 Uganda - Ouganda                           34,611                 01.11.92 United Republic of Tanzania -         Republique-Unie de         Tanzanie                           34,605                 31.05.92 Zaire - Zaire                              18,186                 14.05.92 Zambia - Zambie                             6,556                 15.10.92 Zimbabwe                                   12,514                 31.03.92  TOTAL                                     211,032    HICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 49 Volume  6, Number 11                                           April 25, 1993  AMERICAS - AMERIQUES  Anguilla                                        6                 10.12.92 Antigua and Barbuda -          Antigua-et-Barbuda                      6                 10.12.92 Argentina - Argentine                       1,820                 10.12.92 Bahamas                                       934                 10.12.92 Barbados - Barbade                            315                 10.12.92 Belize                                         53                 10.12.92 Bermuda - Bermudes                            199                 10.12.92 Bolivia - Bolivie                              49                 10.12.92 Brazil - Bresil                            31,364                 10.12.92 British Virgin Islands -         Iles Vierges          britanniques                            4                 10.12.92 Canada                                      6,889                 10.12.92 Cayman Islands - Iles Caimanes                 13                 10.12.92 Chile - Chili                                 573                 10.12.92 Colombia - Colombie                         2,957                 10.12.92 Costa Rica                                    419                 10.12.92 Cuba                                          137                 10.12.92 Dominica - Dominique                           12                 10.12.92 Dominican Republic -         Republique dominicaine              1,809                 10.12.92 Ecuador - Equateur                            224                 10.12.92 El Salvador                                   382                 10.12.92 French Guiana -         Guyane francaise                      232                 10.12.92 Grenada - Grenade                              32                 10.12.92 Guadeloupe                                    182                 10.12.92 Guatemala                                     273                 10.12.92 Guyana                                        333                 10.12.92 Haiti - Haiti                               3,086                 10.12.92 Honduras                                    1,976                 10.12.92 Jamaica - Jamaique                            361                 10.12.92 Martinique                                    227                 10.12.92 Mexico - Mexique                           11,034                 10.12.92 Montserrat                                      1                 10.12.92 Netherlands Antilles and Aruba -         Antilles neerlandaises et         Aruba                                 110                 10.12.92 Nicaragua                                      31                 10.12.92 Panama                                        388                 10.12.92 Paraguay                                       51                 10.12.92 Peru - Perou                                  614                 10.12.92  HICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 50 Volume  6, Number 11                                           April 25, 1993  Saint Kitts and Nevis -         Saint-Kitts-et-Nevis                   37                 10.12.92 Saint Lucia - Sainte-Lucie                     48                 10.12.92 Saint Vincent and the         Grenadines - Saint-         Vincent-et-Grenadines                  41                 10.12.92 Suriname                                      122                 10.12.92 Trinidad and Tobago -         Trinite-et-Tobago                   1,085                 10.12.92 Turks and Caicos Islands -         Iles Turques et         Caiques                                25                 10.12.92 United States of America -         Etats-Unis d'Amerique             242,146                 10.12.92 Uruguay                                       310                 10.12.92 Venezuela                                   2,173                 10.12.92  TOTAL                                     313,083   ASIA - ASIE  Afghanistan                                   ---                 17.12.92 Bahrain - Bahrein                               3                 31.03.92 Bangladesh                                      1                 30.11.92 Bhutan - Bhoutan                              ---                 30.11.92 Brunei Darussalam -          Brunei Darussalam                       2                 19.12.91 Burma see Myanmar -         Birmanie voir Myanmar Cambodia - Cambodge                           ---                 31.10.92 China(a) - Chine(a)                            11                 28.04.92 Cyprus - Chypre                                24                 17.12.92 Democratic People's Republic         of Korea -  Republique         populaire democratique         de Coree                              ---                 30.11.92 Hong Kong                                      61                 26.09.92 India - Inde                                  242                 30.11.92 Indonesia - Indonesie                          24                 30.11.92 Iran (Islamic Republic of) -         Iran (Republique         islamique d')                          56                 17.12.92 Iraq                                            7                 17.12.92 Israel - Israel                               192                 17.12.92  HICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 51 Volume  6, Number 11                                           April 25, 1993  Japan - Japon                                 508                 04.12.92 Jordan - Jordanie                              24                 17.12.92 Kuwait - Koweit                                 7                 17.12.92 Lao People's Democratic Republic -         Republique democratique         populaire lao                           1                 23.04.92 Lebanon - Liban                                35                 17.12.92 Macao                                           2                 03.11.92 Malaysia - Malaisie                            46                 25.05.92 Maldives                                      ---                 30.11.92 Mongolia - Mongolie                             1                 30.11.92 Myanmar                                        16                 30.11.92 Nepal - Nepal                                  12                 30.11.92 Oman                                           27                 17.12.92 Pakistan                                       25                 17.12.92 Philippines                                    80                 07.10.92 Qatar                                          31                 17.12.92 Republic of Korea -         Republique de Coree                    10                 19.11.92 Saudi Arabia - Arabie saoudite                 46                 17.12.92 Singapore - Singapour                          43                 05.08.92 Sri Lanka                                      20                 30.11.92 Syrian Arab Republic -          Republique arabe syrienne              19                 17.12.92 Thailand - Thailande                          909                 30.11.92 Turkey - Turquie                               89                 17.12.92 United Arab Emirates - Emirats         arabes unis                             8                 17.12.92 Viet Nam                                      ---                 28.04.92 Yemen - Yemen                                 ---                 17.12.92  TOTAL                                       2,582    EUROPE  Albania - Albanie                             ---                 30.09.92 Austria - Autriche                            828                 30.09.92 Belarus - Belarus                               6                 30.09.92 Belgium - Belgique                          1,224                 17.12.92 Bulgaria - Bulgarie                            16                 17.12.92 Czechoslovakia - Tchecoslovaquie               32                 17.12.92 Denmark - Danemark                          1,072                 17.12.92 Finland - Finlande                            112                 17.12.92  HICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 52 Volume  6, Number 11                                           April 25, 1993  France                                     21,487                 17.12.92 Germany - Allemagne                         8,893                 17.12.92 Greece - Grece                                689                 17.12.92 Hungary - Hongrie                             105                 17.12.92 Iceland - Islande                              22                 17.12.92 Ireland - Irlande                             294                 17.12.92 Italy - Italie                             14,783                 17.12.92 Latvia - Lettonie                               2                 30.09.92 Lithuania - Lituanie                            2                 30.09.92 Luxembourg                                     55                 17.12.92 Malta - Malte                                  25                 17.12.92 Monaco                                          9                 17.12.92 Netherlands - Pays-Bas                      2,330                 17.12.92 Norway - Norvege                              283                 17.12.92 Poland - Pologne                              118                 17.12.92 Portugal                                    1,007                 17.12.92 Romania - Roumanie                          2,073                 17.12.92 Russian Federation - Federation         de Russie                              94                 30.09.92 San Marino - Saint-Marin                        1                 17.12.92 Spain - Espagne                            14,991                 17.12.92 Sweden - Suede                                743                 17.12.92 Switzerland - Suisse                        2,691                 17.12.92 United Kingdom - Royaume-Uni                6,510                 17.12.92 Yugoslavia(b) - Yougoslavie(b)                313                 30.09.92  TOTAL                                      80,810    OCEANIA - OCEANIE  American Samoa - Samoa americaines            ---                 18.11.92 Australia - Australie                       3,615                 02.12.92 Cook Islands - Iles Cook                      ---                 18.02.92 Federated States of Micronesia -         Etats federes de Micronesie             2                 01.09.92 Fiji - Fidji                                    4                 28.11.91 French Polynesia - Polynesie francaise         27                 28.11.91 Guam                                           10                 13.09.91 Kiribati                                      ---                 08.11.91 Mariana Islands - Iles Mariannes                4                 14.10.92 Marshall Islands - Iles Marshall                2                 18.03.91 Nauru                                         ---                 17.12.92 New Caledonia and Dependencies -  HICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 53 Volume  6, Number 11                                           April 25, 1993          Nouvelle-Caledonie et         dependances                            22                 26.08.92 New Zealand - Nouvelle-Zelande                348                 03.11.92 Niue                                          ---                 18.02.92 Palau                                         ---                 15.10.92 Papua New Guinea - Papouasie-         Nouvelle-Guinee                        45                 10.08.92 Samoa                                           1                 18.02.92 Solomon Islands - Iles Salomon                ---                 19.12.91 Tokelau                                       ---                 18.02.92 Tonga                                           2                 24.07.92 Tuvalu                                        ---                 22.11.92 Vanuatu                                       ---                 08.06.92 Wallis and Futuna Islands - Iles         Wallis et Futuna                      ---                 27.05.91  TOTAL                                       4,082   WORLD TOTAL -          TOTAL MONDIAL                     611,589  (a) The above statistics relating to China do not include 48 cases of AIDS in the Province of Taiwan. -- Les statistiques ci-dessus se rapportant a la Chine ne comprennent pas 48 cas de SIDA dans la province de Taiwan.  (b) Refers to Republics and areas of the former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia:  Bosnia and Herzegovina; Croatia; Macedonia; Montenegro; Serbia; Slovenia. -- Se refere aux republiques et territoires de l'ancienne Republique federative socialiste de Yougoslavie: Bosnie-Herzegovine; Croatie; Macedoine; Montenegro; Serbie; Slovenie.                                                       HICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 54 ------------- cut here ----------------- -- This is the last part ---------------  ---       Internet: david@stat.com                  FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165       Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD                     FidoNet=> 1:114/15                 Amateur Packet ax25: wb7tpy@wb7tpy.az.usa.na
From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) Subject: Re: Waco Shootout Highlights Total Irresponsibility of the Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg Organization: TECHNET, Singapore Lines: 20  In article <1993Apr5.213034.10706@gtephx.UUCP> forda@gtephx.UUCP (Andrew Ford @ AGCS, Phoenix, Arizona) writes: >In article <1pdmgaINN95f@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu>, strat@kitty.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis) writes: >> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >>  >> >> If she *needs* a gun right now, why doesn't she already have one?   >>  >> >You are the victim of a cut-and-run purse-snatcher.  He makes off  >> >with your purse, containing your ID, your house keys... and your gun. >>  >> So you're saying she can RUN RIGHT INTO A STORE, BUY A GUN, RUN BACK >> OUTSIDE AND SHOOT THE GUY IN THE BACK AS HE RUNS OFF?  This doesn't > >No, he's saying she just lost her gun and she wants to buy another >so that as she sits home alone tonight, she's not a sitting duck to >any bastard who wants to break in.  In fact, the situation is more grim that that, even. The purse snatcher now has her home address. If the woman lives alone, she is in great personal danger. 
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: JPL's VLBI Project Meets with International Space Agencies Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 112 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: VLBI, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41      From the "JPL Universe" April 23, 1993  VLBI project meets with international space agencies  By Ed McNevin      Members of JPL's Space Very Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI) project team recently concluded a week-long series of meetings with officials from Russia and Japan.      The meetings were part of "Space VLBI Week" held at JPL in early March and were intended to maintain cooperation between international space agencies participating in the development of the U.S. Space VLBI Project, a recently approved JPL flight project set for launch in 1995.      U.S. Space VLBI will utilize two Earth-orbiting spacecraft -- the Japanese VSOP (VLBI Space Observing Program) satellite with its 8-meter radio telescope, and a Russian RADIOASTRON 10-meter satellite. Both spacecraft will team up with ground-based radio telescopes located around the world to create a radio telescope network that astronomers hope will expand radio telescope observing power by a factor of 10.      Japan's VSOP satellite will use a limited six-hour orbit to conduct imaging science, while the Russian RADIOASTRON spacecraft will exploit a larger, 28-hour Earth orbit to conduct exploratory radio astronomy. Each satellite will point at a source target for roughly 24 hours, while approximately 20 ground-based radio telescopes will simultaneously point at the same source object while within view on Earth.      According to Dr. Joel Smith, JPL's project manager for the U.S. Space VLBI, meetings like those held at JPL will permit Japan and Russia, who have little previous experience in radio interferometry, to establish working relationships with the radio astronomy communities that will be vital during the complex observations required by the Space VLBI project.      "One of our main activities is developing the methodology for international coordination, because the two spacecraft simultaneously rely on the corresponding tracking stations while using the ground-based radio telescopes to observe the same celestial objects," said Smith.      Three new tracking antennas are being built at DSN facilities and other three other tracking facilities located in Japan, Russia and Green Bank, W.Va. This global network of ground-based radio telescopes will use precision clocks and high-speed recorders to collect observation data and forward the information to a correlator located at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in Socorro, N.M. The correlator will combine and process data, then make it available to mission investigators in Moscow, Tokyo, and JPL via electronic mail.      Smith is optimistic that the massive radio telescope created by the Space VLBI network will provide radio astronomers with better resolution than has ever been achieved before by ground-based radio telescopes, allowing astronomers to take a closer look at distant objects in space.      "There is a long history of radio astronomy using ground-based telescopes," said Smith. "What we intend to do is to extend radio astronomy into Earth orbit. Our goal is to look deeper into the cores of galactic nuclei, quasars and other active radio sources to understand what drives those things we have seen so far with radio astronomy."      Smith noted that if one examines "the active galactic nuclei, you'll find jets appearing to spew at speeds greater than light, and at energy levels that are millions of times greater than you would expect."      He said some astronomers believe that black holes may be located in the cores of these galaxies, and that they may fuel the jets. Smith hopes that "by using Space VLBI to look further into the cores, this theory may be supported or disproved."      Russian space-flight hardware, including transponders and transmitters, are now being tested in the United States, and Japanese hardware is scheduled to arrive for testing later this year. Analysis of this hardware will permit U.S. scientists and engineers to understand how to modify the high-speed VLBA Correlator operating at the NRAO in order to accommodate the odd data patterns that will originate from the more than 20 ground-based radio telescopes involved in Space VLBI.      Smith is particularly pleased that meetings with the Japanese and Russian space agency officials -- like those held at JPL in March -- have proceeded smoothly. Yet he knows that the political uncertainty in Russia could jeopardize that country's participation in the project.      "Nothing is ever smooth," he said, "but the Russians have been incredibly open with us. We always anticipated some likelihood that we will not succeed because of political factors beyond our control, yet there tends to be a way of keeping these things going, because scientists on both sides are trying hard, and people recognize the value of cooperation at this level."      Smith points out that the Japanese space agency has more at stake than just fulfilling an international commitment to a science mission.      "The Japanese have been extremely cooperative, since international cooperation is essential to their science mission," he said.      But Smith also noted that Japanese space agency officials look at the U.S. Space VLBI mission as an opportunity to showcase the technology involved with VSOP spacecraft, and their highly regarded Mach V launch vehicle.      Yet regardless of the risks involved in undertaking such an ambitious project, JPL's Smith is satisfied that planning for the Space VLBI Project is beyond the significant financial and political hurdles that otherwise might threaten the project.      "Fortunately, we have the virtue of having two partners, and if either falls out, we would still have something with the other. By themselves, both spacecraft are independent, scientifically exciting missions."                            ###      ___    _____     ___     /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov     | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |  ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | part vegetable. 
From: rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) Subject: Re: Canadiens - another Stanley Cup??? Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 25  pereira@CAM.ORG (Dean Pereira) writes:   >		With the kind of team Montreal has now,  they can take the >cup easily.  The only problem they have right now is that everyone is >trying to steal the show and play alone.  They need some massive teamwork. >	They are also in a little of a slump because long-time hockey >Montreal Canadiens announcer Claude Mouton died last tuesday and it was >rough on everybody because he has worked with the organization for 21 >years.  But I know that is no excuse.  But if the Habs manage to get some >good teamwork and get into the spirit,  they should have no problem >winning in May.     I agree. I also think Roy needs a good kick sometimes...that horrible 4-0 loss to the Capitals last week...yeeeech!     Here's to Cup #23...this year!    --  Richard J. Rauser        "You have no idea what you're doing." rauser@sfu.ca            "Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional WNI                          outlaws - we do this for a living." ----------------- "Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." -Dr.Banzai
From: jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) Subject: Building a UV flashlight Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC Lines: 23  Yes, I know it sounds crazy. Call it an urge. Call it what you want. Just don't ask why :-)  Anyway, I'd like to build a UV flashlight, cheaply. "flashlight" means it should be reasonably portable, but could have a power pack if necessary.  My main question is the bulb: where can I get UV bulbs? Do they need a lot of power? etc., etc.  I'm not too concerned with whether it's long-wave or short-wave (but hey, if anyone has a cheap source of bulbs, I'll take both).  One other thing: a friend of mine mentioned something about near-UV light being cheaper to get at than actual UV light. Does anyone know what he was referring to?  Thanks much.   -- John Hawkinson jhawk@panix.com
From: daa7365@tamuts.tamu.edu (Diego A. Aranda) Subject: Windows Shareware Monthly (INFORMATION) Article-I.D.: tamsun.1ps35rINNfpd Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 100 NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu   Windows Shareware Monthly (WSM) is an on-line forum for information about the newest and best Windows 3.x and NT shareware/freeware software.   WSM is a compilation of submissions from shareware/freeware authors in a single Windows .HLP (Help System) file.  All types of software may be submitted for entry in WSM - utilities, applications, games, programming tools, etc.  WSM benefits Windows shareware/freeware authors by allowing them to publicize their software releases, inform users of updated versions, and to increase their installed base of users.  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From: pmgt1425@altair.selu.edu Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Southeastern Louisiana University Lines: 33  In article <93112.153005MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, <MGB@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> writes: > From A.P. :  According to numerous accounts by those in the compound, > the fire was started by an armoured vehicle crushing a large propane > tank, and turning over numerous gas lanterns. >  > Medical Examiners have found no bullet wounds, as was stated by the > FBI, on the corpses. >  > I find it tremendously chilling that so many people seem willing to accept > the governments story, despite much evidence to the contrary.  But then > again, that is how Mr. Clinton was elected, by people who believe that > his campaign promisses would be respected by him once he got into office. > If people will believe that of any politican, it is little wonder they > will believe all of the factoids being given out as fact by the > Clinton/Reno/FBI/BATF confederation.  CNN reported tonight that some bodies were found with bullet holes in their heads.  However, I have no information on the possible causes.  This is not to say that Government stories are to be taken at the face value in this case, but to jump to conclusion at this stage may be the source of embarrassment in the future.  Let's be paranoic, this may be a ploy to smoke out the opposition and decredit them.  :-)  Comparison of this incidence to Tienanmen Square is made in soc.culture.china.  Just in case you need more ammunition to shoot at each other.  :-)  No matter which side you are on this Waco issue, are you ready to die defending your cause?  Peace be with you.  Pete
From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK  Charlie) Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Wed, April 14, 1993 Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 147  Boston                           2 2 0--4 Ottawa                           0 1 1--2 First period      1, Boston, Roberts 5 (Juneau) 7:19.      2, Boston, Wiemer 1(Juneau, Oates) 17:47. Second period      3, Boston, Neely 11 (Juneau, Murphy) 6:10.      4, Boston, Hughes 5 (Richer, Kimble) 7:55.      5, Ottawa, Archibald 9 (Rumble, Lamb) 11:37. Third period      6, Ottawa, Boschman 9 (Kudelski) 5:10.  Boston: 4    Power play: 2-0 Scorer            G    A   Pts ---------------  ---  ---  --- Hughes             1    0    1 Juneau             0    3    3 Kimble             0    1    1 Murphy             0    1    1 Neely              1    0    1 Oates              0    1    1 Richer             0    1    1 Roberts            1    0    1 Wiemer             1    0    1  Ottawa: 2    Power play: 4-0 Scorer            G    A   Pts ---------------  ---  ---  --- Archibald          1    0    1 Boschman           1    0    1 Kudelski           0    1    1 Lamb               0    1    1 Rumble             0    1    1  ----------------------------------------- Washington                       0 0 2--2 NY Rangers                       0 0 0--0 First period      No scoring. Second period      No scoring. Third period      1, Washington, Bondra 36 (Pivonka, Cavallini) 6:54.      2, Washington, Bondra 37 (Cote, Pivonka) 10:10.  Washington: 2    Power play: 2-0 Scorer            G    A   Pts ---------------  ---  ---  --- Bondra             2    0    2 Cavallini          0    1    1 Cote               0    1    1 Pivonka            0    2    2  NY Rangers: 0    Power play: 1-0 No scoring  ----------------------------------------- NY Islanders                     2 1 1 0--4 Hartford                         2 1 1 1--5 First period      1, NY Islanders, Ferraro 13 (Malakhov, King) 1:29.      2, NY Islanders, Hogue 32 (Thomas, Turgeon) 1:57.      3, Hartford, Yake 21(Poulin) 4:15.      4, Hartford, Yake 22 (Nylander, Poulin) 16:44. Second period      5, Hartford, Verbeek 39 (Cassels, Weinrich) pp, 2:43.      6, NY Islanders, Thomas 35 (King, Ferraro) 7:58. Third period      7, Hartford, Burt 5 (Sanderson, Cassels) 13:41.      8, NY Islanders, Malakhov 14 (Hogue) 17:45. Overtime      9, Hartford, Janssens 12 (Poulin) 1:08.  Hartford: 5    Power play: 3-1 Scorer            G    A   Pts ---------------  ---  ---  --- Burt               1    0    1 Cassels            0    2    2 Janssens           1    0    1 Nylander           0    1    1 Poulin             0    3    3 Sanderson          0    1    1 Verbeek            1    0    1 Weinrich           0    1    1 Yake               2    0    2  NY Islanders: 4    Power play: 3-0 Scorer            G    A   Pts ---------------  ---  ---  --- Ferraro            1    1    2 Hogue              1    1    2 King               0    2    2 Malakhov           1    1    2 Thomas             1    1    2 Turgeon            0    1    1  ----------------------------------------- Pittsburgh                       2 3 1 0--6 New Jersey                       2 4 0 0--6 First period      1, Pittsburgh, Daniels 5 (Needham, Tippett) 4:14.      2, New Jersey, Lemieux 29 (Semak, Driver) 10:19.      3, Pittsburgh, Stevens 55(Tocchet, Murphy) pp, 12:40.      4, New Jersey, Zelepukin 22 (Driver, Niedermayer) 17:26. Second period      5, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 68 (Stevens, Tocchet) 1:42.      6, New Jersey, Semak 36 (Lemieux, Zelepukin) 2:27.      7, Pittsburgh, McEachern 28 (Jagr, Barrasso) 4:24.      8, New Jersey, Stevens 12 (Guerin, Pellerin) 5:45.      9, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 69 (unassisted) sh, 12:40.      10, New Jersey, Richer 37 (Nicholls) 15:53.      11, New Jersey, Lemieux 30 (Semak, Zelepukin) 17:40. Third period      12, Pittsburgh, Mullen 33 (Jagr, Lemieux) 18:54. Overtime      No scoring.  Pittsburgh: 6    Power play: 5-1   Special goals:  pp: 1  sh: 1  Total: 2 Scorer            G    A   Pts ---------------  ---  ---  --- Barrasso           0    1    1 Daniels            1    0    1 Jagr               0    2    2 Lemieux            2    1    3 McEachern          1    0    1 Mullen             1    0    1 Murphy             0    1    1 Needham            0    1    1 Stevens            1    1    2 Tippett            0    1    1 Tocchet            0    2    2  New Jersey: 6    Power play: 3-0 Scorer            G    A   Pts ---------------  ---  ---  --- Driver             0    2    2 Guerin             0    1    1 Lemieux            2    1    3 Nicholls           0    1    1 Niedermayer        0    1    1 Pellerin           0    1    1 Richer             1    0    1 Semak              1    2    3 Stevens            1    0    1 Zelepukin          1    2    3  -----------------------------------------
From: jpau@oracle.com Subject: >> Kenwood Audiophile Cassette Tape Deck 4sale << Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA Lines: 50 Nntp-Posting-Host: dvlseq.us.oracle.com X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user               at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those               of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.  o Kenwood Audiophile Cassette Tape Deck   Asking $199.00 obo + shipping, (original price I paid - $450.00),   excellent condition, well maintained, rarely used.    - Model KX-900   - Kenwood Audiophile Series (Kenwood highend stereo component)   - Programmable playback with Memory System (used to program the playback     order if selection.  Program is stored in RAM (Random Access Memory)     System with digital display of the song # being played)   - Counter Memory Index (when this mode is selected, count '000' of the     Tape Counter can be stored in memory.  This function is useful when it     is necessary to stop of restart the tape at '000' during fast forward     or rewind.   - Search Mode (Searching for a selection, skipping a selection or     repeating a selection can be preformed at a touch.)   - Time stand by switch (this is used along with an audio timer when an     unattended timer-recording or timer-playback is performed.)   - Dolby NR with MPX filter   - Bias adjustment (used to obtain optimum bias that matches the type of     type to be played)   - Tape selector switch (CrO2, FeCr, Normal, Metal)   - REC MUTE key (When recording, press this key to delete undesired portions     between programs such as announcements and commercials. When this key     is pressed, the tape runs forwards for 5 seconds to make an unrecorded     section, then the PAUSE function automatically stops the tape.  To     restart recording, press PAUSE key once.)   - Flurescent PEAK PROGRAM METERS   - Rec level controls   - Phone Jack   - Mic Jacks   - Input Selector switch   - SPECS:      Type                Front Loading Stereo Cassette Deck w/ Dolby NR System     Track System        4 Track, 2-Channel Stereo/Mono, Recording/Playback     Heads               Record and Playback Head X 1 (Amorphous Alloy)                         Erase Head X 1 (Double Gap Ferrite)     Motor               2 Motors     Frequency Response:       Normol Tape       20 Hz to 17,000 Hz (25 Hz to 16,000 Hzm +/- 3 dB)       CrO2 Tape         20 Hz to 18,000 Hz (25 Hz to 17,000 Hzm +/- 3 dB)       FeCr Tape         20 Hz to 18,000 Hz (25 Hz to 17,000 Hzm +/- 3 dB)       Metal Tape        20 Hz to 19,000 Hz (25 Hz to 18,000 Hzm +/- 3 dB)     Signal to Noise Ratio:       Dolby NR ON       68 dB (Metal Tape)       Dolby NR OFF      58 dB (Metal Tape)     Harmonic Distortion Less that 0.8%     Wow Flutter         0.04 (W.R.M.S.)     Dimensions          W: 440 mm                         H: 123 mm
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!! Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 16 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu  In article <healta.161.735350336@saturn.wwc.edu> healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) writes:  >You should wear your nicest boxer shorts and bring plenty of SPF 45+  >sunscreen.  I'll grab my bathing suit, towerl and some veggie hotdogs and we  >can have bonfire cookout!! >Does that sound good enough to you, Dean? >EVERY a.a poster is invited!!!  	Is there room for nudists? After all, if you believe most upstanding moral churches, nudity IS a sin...    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 		 		"My sole intention was learning to fly."
Subject: Re: Nords 3 - Habs 2 in O.T. We was robbed!! From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 21   In article <18APR93.25909598.0086@VM1.MCGILL.CA> JBE5 <JBE5@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes: >Aargh! > >Paul Stewart is the worst and most biased ref. presently in the NHL. >He called a total of 4 penalties on the Habs and one on the Nordiques. >The Nords' penalty came in O.T.  Stewart, being an ex-Nordique himself, >was looking to call penalties on the Habs while letting the Nords >get away with murder...WE WAS ROBBED!!!!  If my powerplay was as bad as Montreal's, I'd be thanking Stewart for calling as few penalties as possible. Quebec's powerplay is lethal and it is to their advantage to have a penalty-filled game where they can clean up with their superior powerplay.   Montreal really lost that game (and game 2) because Patrick Roy is well on his way to having another one of his trademark awful playoffs. The man is truly overrated. Quebec has scored six goals on Roy and four, perhaps five,  were quite stoppable.   								Alan 
From: semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Steve Emmett) Subject: Moscow Aviation Institute summer school Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Lines: 103  I have attached a copy of an announcement I picked up during my trip to Moscow last week.  I have several friends at the Moscow Aviation Institute who have asked me to post this announcement.  (I have done some editing, but the contents is unchanged from the original announcement.)   For those of you not familiar with the Moscow Aviation Institute, it is the leading Russian school of higher education dedicated to the training of aircraft and spacecraft designers.  It specializes in airframe design, powerplant design, control systems, and power systems. Virtually all of the major former Soviet airframe designers (Tupolev, Su, Iluchine, Migoyan, etc.) were schooled at MAI.  I had the opportunity to tour the two museums that are maintained at MAI.  The aircraft include Mig23, Su 27, Yak 38, the cockpit of an F-111(!), among others.  It was a fascinating and eye opening experience, expecially given the fact that the museum was, until a year or so ago, closed to virtually everyone.  I also had the opportunity to see some of the experiments being conducted with plasma drive engines for future space craft use.  If you have any questions about the Institute, or the program, I would be glad to try and answer them.  The institute, and most of it's faculty have e-mail addresses.  However, it takes about a day or so for the receiver to get the message.  They are still a bit antiquated - but they are rapidly changing!  Steve Emmett semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu  ps  please send any questions you have for me via e-mail.  George Mason university has about a 2 week (!) delay in news feed delivery.   -------------------------------------------------------------------  		MOSCOW INTERNATIONAL AVIATION SCHOOL  The aviation school "Poljot" (meaning Flight) is organized by the the Moscow Aviation Institute, the prominent Russian Center of airspace education and the foreign trade firm Poljot, well known in various parts of the world for their quartz and mechanical wrist watches.  The course of studies will last only 50 days, but during this time you will have the unique opportunity: 	- to listen to intensive courses on the main aviation disciplines, the history and theory of techniques, and design of airplanes; 	- to visit and get acquainted with the world known Russian  aviation firms - TU, MiG, Yak, Il and Su; 	- to meet and have discussions with famous aviation scientists, engineers and pilots; 	- to visit the most interesting museums of unique aviation techniques which were closed for many years to the public; 	- to see the International Airspace Show which will take place in Moscow from 31 August through 3 September 1993; 	- to visit famous art museums, historical and architectural monuments, theatres and concert halls; 	- to take part in sport competitions and have a great time with new friends.  The Director of the school is Mr. Oleg Samelovich, a well known Russian scientist, professor, general designer and the Chief of the Airplanes Design Department of the Moscow Aviation Institute.  Mr. Samelovich is one of the designers of the the Su-24, Su-25, and Su-27  The lectures are given in English, using a multi-media concept.  The students are provided with all the necessary text books and literature.  After the full course of studies are completed, the student will receive a special certificate of graduation.  The cost of studies, including hotel, meals, excursions, theatres, etc is $3500.  To apply for admission, send your application to:  109147 Moscow Marksistskaja 34 Foreign Trade Firm "Poljot" 274 00 13 (phone) 274 00 22 (FAX) 411989 POLEX SU (telex)  In your application, include your full name, address, date and place of birth.  In addition, include complete passport information, as well as a description of your education.  Upon receipt of this information, "Poljot" will immediately forward to you an official invitation for obtaining a Russian entrance visa as well as details on payment.  Should you require additional information, please do not hesitate to contact us.  (signed)	O. Samelovich  ------------------------------------------------------------------------   --   Steve Emmett				 semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------ CSI/Physics, George Mason University
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) Subject: SHARKS REVIEW Part 5: Left Wings Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 161  Apparently, Part 2 (defensemen numbered 2 through 19) was lost when I posted it; to make things worse, I lost my own copy.  I have asked on the Sharks mailing list, on which it did get out, to see if someone can mail me a copy back.  If someone responds, I will repost it when I get it; otherwise, I will re-write it in a day or two and post it.  Sorry about that.  #8	LARRY DEPALMA		Season:	3rd Acquired:	'91-92, free agent from Minnesota Grade:		I (C-/D+)  No netter/fan watching the Sharks, including me, knows where DePalma was at the end of the season; the Sharks appeared to still have his rights, but he wasn't in San Jose, he wasn't in Kansas City, and his name hasn't appeared on the waiver wire.  And that kind of invisibility was prevalent for the most part for DePalma.  After being called up October 30 against the Tampa Bay Lightning, DePalma had an excellent week, scoring 5 points in 3 games while playing good defense.  Unfortunately, the 27-year-old DePalma then disappeared the rest of the way, getting just 3 more points in 15 more games, and generally looked lethargic and uninterested on both ends of the ice.  He then was sent down to Kansas City, walked out from there, and was suspended and later reinstated when it was revealed that he was injured; he then promptly disappeared from the watching eyes of Shark Bytes (as the mailing list is now known to Sharks officials) faithful, and neither the Sharks nor we miss him.  #10	JOHAN GARPENLOV		Season: 3rd Acquired:	'91-92, trade with Detroit for D Bob McGill and 8th round 		pick in '92 entry draft from Vancouver Grade:		A/A-  After an early slump, Garpenlov was nothing short of inspirational the rest of the way, finishing with 66 points in 79 games, second highest total on the team, as he clicked well with team MVP Kelly Kisio and right wing Rob Gaudreau.  Kisio got most of the credit, but Garpenlov, finishing second in the MVP voting, clearly demonstrated his playmaking and scoring skills, as he was seen making excellent centering passes as well as finishing passes to him by putting the puck past opposing goaltenders, getting a club-high 14 power- play goals.  Contrary to his previous rep, Garpenlov also showed that despite his small size (5' 11", 183 lbs.), he was willing to throw himself around when necessary, albeit not very successful yet.  He also still needs to work on his defense, although he improved tremendously throughout the season, and was actually quite a good penalty killer by the end of the season.  He will be a major key to the offense next year.  #15	DAVID BRUCE		Season: 5th Acquired:	'91-92, from St. Louis in expansion draft Grade:		I (?)  After a banner '91-92, when he led the team in power-play goals (10) and was third in total scoring (38 points in 60 games), Bruce was bothered virtually all of this season with a groin injury, which kept him out of the lineup for all by 17 games this season.  Of course, it is difficult to speculate how well he would have done this season had he not been affected by the injury, but the 28-year-old Bruce was effective with a man up or a man short in the Sharks' first season, and was expected to be a strong offensive leader this season as well.  The injury appears serious, which is a shame, because otherwise he may have a much brighter future for now; instead, his future with the Sharks next season appears clouded.  #18	MARK PEDERSON		Season:	3rd Acquired:	'92-93, trade with Philadelphia for C/LW Dave Snuggerud Grade:		I (B)  It is difficult for me to understand the Flyers' decision to unload Pederson, after a very good offensive season last season (40 points in 58 games), but after riding the pine early in the season, Pederson was summarily sent to the Sharks in exchange of the defensive-minded Snuggerud, and he finished with 41 games combined with the Flyers and the Sharks.  He was also limited by injuries this season, and this limited his production (17 points).  But when healthy, Pederson appears impressive, with a good scoring touch, good size (and the willingness to throw it around, although he's not considered a physical forward), and good speed.  He also does not appear to be a liability on defense, but the Sharks probably have to wait until next season to see how much, exactly, Pederson can do.  #20	JOHN CARTER		Season: 4th Acquired:	'91-92, free agent from Boston Grade:		I (B+/B)  Carter was definitely one of the hardest workers on the team, and the hard work worked wonders, as at times he looked great on ice.  However, although he did look great at times, the fact that he received just 16 points (in 55 games) for his efforts is a sign that there is only so much his hard work can do, and the Sharks confirmed that by sending him to Kansas City with about 20 games left in the season.  Carter, who will turn 30 on May 6, always hussled, but as a result, was sometimes trapped too deep within the offensive zone while forechecking, but he was generally a credit on the defensive end, but he is probably of limited utility in that capacity, and he did not impress offensively, although he was one of the best Sharks at drawing penalties.  He is very unlikely to be back next season.  #28	JEAN-FRANCOIS QUINTIN	Season: 1st Acquired:	'91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft Grade:		I (B+/B)  I don't understand why the Sharks didn't let Quintin play any more than the 14 games he played this season.  He was generally hard-working and creating opportunities offensively, and appeared, at age 23, ready for regular NHL duty, at least for a team like the Sharks, finishing with 7 points in those 14 games while not being a defensive liability.  Shoulder injury in training camp before the '91-92 season limited Quintin, the team's leading scorer in exhibition games despite sitting out the final two, to just 29 games with the Sharks and the Blades that season, but he looked impressive.  He should be a solid contender for regular duty next season.  #41	MARK BEAUFAIT		Season: 1st Acquired:	2nd round pick in 1991 supplemental draft Grade:		I (?)  After a all-star season at Kansas City, Beaufait got a cup of coffey with the Sharks late in the season when the Blades knocked down a playoff spot and the Sharks decimated with injuries, playing 5 games and scoring a goal for his only NHL point thus far.  Despite small size (5' 9", 165 lbs.), Beaufait was not shy to throw himself around when necessary, and looked pretty good at times, although it's too early to judge him based on 5 NHL games, in which he played mostly left wing, away from his center position at Northern Michigan and Kansas City.  #42	JAROSLAV OTEVREL	Season: 1st Acquired:	8th round pick in 1991 entry draft Grade:		I (?)  Like Beaufait, Otevrel also played away from his normal position when he was up for his cup of tea (7 games) midway through the season.  He was generally very much of a defensive liability, and did not show much offensively either, although that may be more indicative of the lack of ice time he got in those 7 games.  He may need another season to work on his defense, but once his defense is acceptable, he should be ready.  #44	MICHEL PICARD		Season: 1st Acquired:	'92-93, trade with Hartford for LW Yvon Corriveau Grade:		I (B-/C+)  The 23-year-old Picard, although he perennially tore up the minors, seems to be close to being out of chances, for some reason, after being acquired by the Sharks but failing to impress the management in 25 games, scoring 4 goals for his only points, and he spent most of the rest of the way in Kansas City. He was not particularly strong defensively, and despite his offensive brilliance in the minors, he has failed thus far to score in the NHL, although he has been given limited opportunities.  He may be the Sharks' bait in the expansion draft.  #45	DODY WOOD		Season: 1st Acquired:	3rd round pick in 1991 entry draft Grade:		I (D+/D, although perhaps I shouldn't give a grade at all)  I have been accused of knocking on Wood too much. :-)  Then, it is probably no surprise to you that I am thoroughly unimpressed by Wood thus far, although 13 games is a small example.  He was generally a nonfactor on offense, was not particularly good defensively, and took too many silly penalties, losing many fights in the process and gathering 69 penalty minutes in those 13 games, projecting to to 446(!) in an 84-game season.  He's not ready, and needs at least another season at KC, where he can work on his fighting skills, if nothing else.  His relatively small size (5' 11", 181 lbs.) does not give much possibility that he can survive, at this stage, as an enforcer.  =============================================================================== GO CALGARY FLAMES!  Al MacInnis for Norris!  Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe! GO EDMONTON OILERS!  Go for playoffs next year!  Stay in Edmonton! =============================================================================== Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu) rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (Randal Lee Nicholas Mandock) Subject: Re: homosexual issues in Christianity Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 21  In response to alleged circular reasoning concerning the morality of       homosexuality, clh poses the following challenge:  >In order to break the circle there's got to be some other >reason to think homosexuality is wrong.  I answer,  The circle is simple to break.   The Church teaches that homosexual behavior is immoral.  This teaching is raw, impassionate, unassailable dogma.  That closes the argument for me.   --  Randal Lee Nicholas Mandock  Catechist gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu   [Right.  I understand that people have other reasons for not accepting homosexuality.  The point I was making was that the specific argument given wouldn't stand on its own.  --clh]
From: stevenm@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Steven Murray) Subject: Do we need SDK as well as DDK? Organization: Kralizec Dialup Unix Sydney: +61-2-837-1183 V.32bis Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: kralizec.zeta.org.au Summary: Do We need SDK as well as DDK? Keywords: SDK, windows    The Microsoft Windows Device Driver Kit (DDK) documentation (blurb) states that the user must separately acquire the Microsoft Windows Software Development Kit (SDK), which contains the Windows tools to build the drivers. If we are using Borland C++ with Application Frameworks, is this necessary? We also have a copy of the Microsoft Press Programmer's Reference Library (books) which normally comes with the SDK, and Microsoft Macro Assembler 6.0. Why is the SDK neccessary for development of Virtual Device Drivers?   - Steven Murray     (posted on behalf of Brian Davies) 
From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters.  WHere  are they. Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu   If gamma ray bursters are extragalactic, would absorption from the galaxy be expected?  How transparent is the galactic core to gamma rays?  How much energy does a burster put out?  I know energy depends on distance, which is unknown.  An answer of the form _X_ ergs per megaparsec^2 is OK.   --     John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu)
From: spenser@fudd.jsc.nasa.gov (S. Spenser Aden) Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) Organization: Flight Data and Evaluation Office Distribution: usa Lines: 72  In article <uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu-220493145727@spam.dom.uab.edu> uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) writes: >In article <1r6g8fINNe88@ceti.cs.unc.edu>, jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles) >wrote: >>  >> A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's >> disease. >>  >> But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables, >> without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence. >>  >> Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the >> problems of people with Crohn's disease ? > >If she is having problems with fresh vegetables, the guess is that there >is some obstruction of the intestine.  Without knowing more it is not >possible to say whether the obstruction is permanent due to scarring, >or temporary due to swelling of inflammed intestine.  In general, there are >no dietary limitations in patients with Crohn's except as they relate >to obstruction.  There is no evidence that any foods will bring on  >recurrence of Crohn's.   Interesting statements, simply because I have been told otherwise.  I'm certainly not questioning Steve's claims, as for one I am not a doctor, and I agree that foods don't bring on the recurrence of Crohn's.  But inflammation can be either mildly or DRASTICALLY enhanced due to food.  Having had one major obstruction resulting in resection (is that a good enough caveat :-), I was told that a *LOW RESIDUE* diet is called for.  Basically, the idea is that if there is inflammation of the gut (which may not be realized by the patient), any residue in the system can be caught in the folds of inflammation and constantly irritate, thus exacerbating the problem. Therefore, anything that doesn't digest completely by the point of common inflammation should be avoided.  With what I've been told is typical Crohn's, of the terminal ileum, my diet should be low residue, consisting of:  Completely out - never again - items: 	o corn (kernel husk doesn't digest ... most of us know this :-) 	o popcorn (same) 	o dried (dehydrated) fruit and fruit skins 	o nuts (Very tough when it comes to giving up some fudge :-)  Discouraged greatly: 	o raw vegetables (too fibrous) 	o wheat and raw grain breads 	o exotic lettuce (iceberg is ok since it's apparently mostly water) 	o greens (turnip, mustard, kale, etc...) 	o little seeds, like sesame (try getting an Arby's without it!) 	o long grain and wild rice (husky) 	o beans (you'll generate enough gas alone without them!) 	o BASICALLY anything that requires heavy digestive processing  I was told that the more processed the food the better! (rather ironic in this day and age).  The whole point is PREVENTATIVE ... you want to give your system as little chance to inflame as possible.  I was told that among the NUMEROUS things that were heavily discouraged (I only listed a few), to try the ones I wanted and see how I felt.  If it's bad, don't do it again! Remember though that this was while I was in remission.  For Veggies: cook the daylights out of them.  I prefer steaming ... I think it's cooks more thoroughly - you're mileage may vary.  As with anything else, CHECK WITH YOUR DOCTOR.  Don't just take my word.  But this is the info I've been given, and it may be a starting point for discussion.  Good luck!  -Spenser   --  S. Spenser Aden --- Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Co. --- (713) 483-2028 NASA --- Flight Data and Evaluation Office --- Johnson Space Center, Houston spenser@fudd.jsc.nasa.gov    (Internet) ---  Opinions herein are mine alone. aden@vf.jsc.nasa.gov (if above bounces) ---  "Eschew obfuscation." - unknown
From: willisw@willisw.ENG.CLEMSON.edu (Bill Willis) Subject: Answers to many electronics Questions Organization: Engineering Services, Clemson University Lines: 10  I have notice a lot of electronics questions by people who are obviously not  "tuned-in" to electronics.  Many of them have rather simple answers, and  many of them require a circuit diagram.  Rather than muck up the network, why don't you write to me, send a self- addressed, stamped envelop, and I'll answer your questions, if I can.  W. L. Willis, P. E. 114 Fern Circle Clemson, SC 29631
From: gregl@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU (Greg Lewis) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Keywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER Nntp-Posting-Host: zimmer.csufresno.edu Organization: CSU Fresno Lines: 33  In article <1qh336INNfl5@CS.UTK.EDU> larose@austin.cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes: >This just a warning to EVERYBODY on the net.  Watch out for >folks standing NEXT to the road or on overpasses.   They can >cause SERIOUS HARM to you and your car.   > >(just a cliff-notes version of my story follows) > >10pm last night, I was travelling on the interstate here in >knoxville,  I was taking an offramp exit to another interstate >and my wife suddenly screamed and something LARGE hit the side >of my truck.  We slowed down, but after looking back to see the >vandals standing there, we drove on to the police station. > >She did get a good look at the guy and saw him "cock his arm" with >something the size of a cinderblock, BUT I never saw him. We are  >VERY lucky the truck sits up high on the road; if it would have hit >her window, it would have killed her.  > >The police are looking for the guy, but in all likelyhood he is gone.  Stuff deleted...  I am sorry to report that in Southern California it was a sick sport for a while to drop concrete blocks from the overpasses onto the freeway.  Several persons were killed when said blocks came through their windshields.  Many overpass bridges are now fenced, and they have made it illegal to loiter on such bridges (as if that would stop such people).  Yet many bridges are NOT fenced.  I always look up at a bridge while I still have time to take evasive action even though this *sport* has not reached us here in Fresno. ___________________________________________________________________ Greg_Lewis@csufresno.edu Photojournalism sequence, Department of Journalism CSU Fresno, Fresno, CA 93740
From: georgian@tigger.jvnc.net (Ops Mgr) Subject: Sun SCSI-2 Host Adapter for sale (501-1167) Reply-To: chen@cucrd0.med.columbia.edu Organization: JvNCnet Lines: 20 Originator: ENS@tigger.jvnc.net Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.jvnc.net  Please reply to the seller below.  For Sale:  Sun SCSI-2 Host Adapter Assembly -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-   Brand New In Unopened Mylar   Sun part no. 501-1167     50pin Dsub external connector   Compatible with Sun 3/100/200, 4/200/300 machines 	  Available March 1, 1993.   Originally purchased for ~$1,200 eighteen months ago  Please email offers to:     \\Lee lee%polarsun@rna.rockefeller.edu
From: jmiller@terra.colostate.edu (Jeff Miller) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Nntp-Posting-Host: hp1.terra.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 12  : Nothing, but if you read my WHOLE suggestion, I'm saying that you register : via MAIL by mailing in your registration card, THEN the company send you : the patch which includes the info you put on the registration card.  The problem with this scheme, is that when I buy a game, I want to play it *THAT* day...mailing a card to and from California would probably take a week or more. --  _____________________________________________________________________________ |                                                                             | |  jmiller@terra.colostate.edu  |   Jeff Miller  |  TERRA Lab Systems Admin.  | |_____________________________________________________________________________|
From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) Subject: *****TO EVERYONE IN DIALOG WITH TONY ROSE***** Please Read This! Reply-To: agr00@juts.ccc.amdahl.com () Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 17  Hello everyone. I just wanted to let everyone know that I have just been selected as part of the Reduction In Force here at Amdahl. For all that are currently in a dialog with me, or are waiting letters from me, I have saved your letters on floppy and will continue when I get back on the net from another account in the future.  For those who are on the GEnie network, my email address there is:                       T.ROSE1  God Bless and Goodbye until then. If you want to continue dialogs with me via US MAIL, I can be contacted at:              Tony Rose             c/o JUDE 3 MISSIONS             P.O. Box 1035             Felton, CA 95018
From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas) Subject: Re: Is car saftey important?  Organization: University of Westminster Lines: 10  >Safety is an important criterium for me when buying a car. I won't buy a  >small car like a Civic or whatever. > >Great = Safety + Handling + Speed  -  for me   EvenGreater = Safety + Handling + Speed + $$$$$  :for the RICH!!! 	ie: Merc 600SEL!!!   
From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: New Member Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 20  In article <C5HIEw.7s1@portal.hq.videocart.com>, dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) wrote: >   He is right. Just because an event was explained by a human to have been > done "in the name of religion", does not mean that it actually followed > the religion. He will always point to the "ideal" and say that it wasn't > followed so it can't be the reason for the event. There really is no way > to argue with him, so why bother. Sure, you may get upset because his  > answer is blind and not supported factually - but he will win every time > with his little argument. I don't think there will be any postings from > me in direct response to one of his.  Hey! Glad to have some serious and constructive contributors in this newsgroup. I agree 100% on the statement above, you might argue with Bobby for eons, and he still does not get it, so the best thing is to spare your mental resources to discuss more interesting issues.  Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. Lines: 17 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202  nancy@hayduke (Nancy Feagans) writes: >Ashtrays and cigarette lighters.  These should be an *option*.  GM, at least, is heading in that direction.  One of the post-sale questions they asked me was if I'd like the choice of a cigarette liter or an accessory plug, and another whether I'd like the choice of an ashtray or a cup holder.  The '93 Geo Storms have the cigarette lighter vs accessory plug option (which did not exist in the '92 I bought) -- I'm not sure about the ash tray vs cup holder.  It's a step in the right direction.  The ashtray does make a convenient change-holder so it's not completely useless.  jim frost jimf@centerline.com
From: ajg1678@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Subject: Re: Buick heater controls Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxa.isc.rit.edu Reply-To: ajg1678@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Distribution: usa Lines: 1  I had the exactly same problem with my '70 Lesabre. It was also from Cal.     What I did was go to the local junkyard and pick up a diaphragm from a '68      Lesabre with the same heater set up.  It worked for me, but a little bit slow   to change from vents to defogger.  Better than nothing!
From: swf@elsegundoca.ncr.com (Stan Friesen) Subject: Re: MAJOR VIEWS OF THE TRINITY Reply-To: swf@elsegundoca.ncr.com Lines: 43  In article <May.5.02.52.59.1993.28865@athos.rutgers.edu>, you write: |>  |> [Yes.  My comments were long enough that I don't want to repeat |> them here, but I'll send them via email back to the author. |> Certainly it was not intended to be a description of three similar |> deities, though I certainly see why it would look that way. |>  Thanks for the letter, your comments helped some.  As to the last comment, I certainly realize that it was not intended to sound that way.  I am still trying to understand *how* a spiritual being colud truly be one and three at the same time.  All of the descriptions of this are either Platonic or sound like special pleading (sort of, "they appear to be three seperate beings in all ways, but really they are one, trust me").  Neither of these is acceptible to me.  The fact is, so far the only descriptions of the trinity that makes any *sense* to me are the modalistic ones, such as Modalistic Monarchianism or "Economic Trinitarianism".  [I can accept that the three aspects are intrinsic to the nature of God, so I perhaps lean more towards the latter].  I am trying, here, to see if anybody can come up with another description that is both orthodox and believable.  --  sarima@teradata.com			(formerly tdatirv!sarima)   or Stanley.Friesen@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com  [I fear orthodox theologians have been overly in love with paradox, to the extent that well-meaning people think they've just flat-out confused.  There's no problem with things being both 3 and 1, e.g.  if the 3 are different parts of the 1.  Father, Son, and Holy Spirit aren't exactly parts of God, because parts are things distinguished by physical separation.  All three Persons are omnipresent, so they are obviously aren't physically separate.  But they're in some way different aspects, modes, or whatever, of one God.  If you accept economic trinitarianism, it's possible that you don't have any substantive difference with the standard view.  Is it possible that you just don't find the neo-Platonic explanation illuminating? --clh]
From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: free moral agency Keywords: Another thread destined for the kill-file Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) Distribution: na Lines: 19  In article <kmr4.1696.735588167@po.CWRU.edu>, kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: >In article <1r98voINNr9q@lynx.unm.edu> cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu (Chris Faehl) writes: > >>> The myth to which I refer is the convoluted counterfeit athiests have >>> created to make religion appear absurd.  >>  You don't need any counterfeit athiest's myth to make religion appear absurd.  You need only read any of friendly Christian Bill Conner's posts.  --   jim halat         halat@bear.com      bear-stearns       --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you--    nyc             i speak only for myself    
From: kramersc@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Scott Kramer) Subject: Re: Daily Verse Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 14  In article <Apr.15.00.58.36.1993.28909@athos.rutgers.edu> Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) writes: >How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather >than silver!  > >Proverbs 16:16  Ah and how...??? Amen to that one!!!!!!  Thanks Chuck for sharing... after all, no one can serve two masters...God and money...... after all, the preciousness of God as Lord and Savior is far more valuable than being a millionaire will ever be...   In Him, Scott
From: markmc@halcyon.com (Mark McWiggins) Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com  Also, don't forget that it's better for your health to enjoy your steak than to resent your sprouts ... --  Mark McWiggins        Hermes & Associates		+1 206 632 1905 (voice) markmc@halcyon.com    Box 31356, Seattle WA 98103-1356  +1 206 632 1738 (fax)
From: rudim@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Rudi Maelbrancke) Subject: EMM386.EXE and Windows and Dos6 Nntp-Posting-Host: piaget.cs.kuleuven.ac.be Organization: Dept. Computerwetenschappen Lines: 17  In Windows I created a permanent Swap-file of 7771Kb as win3.1 recommended me to do that (32bit access). If I use EMM386.EXE, after win3.1 startup I have 6689K of memory free, if I leave EMM386.EXE out of my config.sys I have 9935K of memory free, and windows recommends me a swap file of 11769K.  I use DOS6, with memmaker, have 4MB of internal Memory and a 486DX,  Does anybody knows why this is happening (possibly win needs some UMB's to manage virtual memory?, If true, which UMB's, those that EMM386 can find without including suspicious parts?)  I need an optimized DOS-environment, because i develop applications for DOS using a windows programming environment.   Rudi
From: epp@mala.bc.ca (Lorne Epp) Subject: Re: LA ON ABC IN CANADA Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 27  In article <boora.735182771@sfu.ca>, boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) writes: > 	Was the ABC coverage of the Kings/Flames game supposed to be the > way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage?  When I flipped > to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even.  My question > is:  Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just "black out" the  > ABC coverage for its own? >  >   Here in Nanaimo (on Vancouver Island, for you furriners out there) we got the ABC coverage on KOMO.  It probably depends on your cable company.  I started off switching between the CBC and ABC broadcasts, but finally settled on ABC.  I can't stand Don Whitman, and Al Michaels was doing a decent job.  He followed the play pretty well, knew all the players' names, and only made a couple of "rookie" mistakes that I noticed. One thing that surprised me is that they never once attempted to explain the offside rule.  Am-I-paranoid-or-is-this-really-happening department: There were no fights in the game, but there were a couple of occasions where it looked like a fight was about to start.  Both times ABC cut away to show a closeup of a coach or McNall or something.  Has ABC decided to adopt the "Spicer policy?"  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lorne Epp                                               epp@mala.bc.ca
From: aj359@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher C. Morton) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 29 Reply-To: aj359@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher C. Morton) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu   In a previous article, jdurbin@nl.oracle.com (Jason Durbin) says:  >If even half the speculations of conspiracy made about this are >true, then I would expect that you people should be calling for >the ATF, FBI, Texas Rangers, Congress and all branches of the >US government to be immediately and completey disbanded  --  no >exceptions.  > >Jeez, do you people really beleive all this crap? Do you also beleive >in the Zionist Occupation Government and the tooth fairy?  I leave the anti-semitism to anti-gun types like Holly Silva.  I have in fact been calling for the disbanding of the BATF for quite some time. It is an outlaw agency run by incompetants who only have contempt for the laws which they supposedly enforce.  >Admittedly mistakes were made but why attribute them to malice rather >than stupidity? > I attribute the acts of the FBI to stupidity.  I attribute the acts of the BATF to malice.  So did Senator Dennis DeConcini when he held hearings about their misconduct.   --  ************************************************************************* If you were smarter, you'd have these opinions.... *******************************************************************************
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) Subject: Re: Please help an Amiga user find comfort in Windows Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 58  In article <1t9ada$og0@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU> stlombo@eos.acm.rpi.edu (Steve J. Lombardi) writes: >By night I'm an Amiga user. By day I work with windows. I'd be much more  >comfortable in windows if I had Two things. > >1. A good Personal information manager. You know- a calendar, address book, >reminder list etc... rolled into one clean interface.  I prefer InfoSelect myself, but it is a strange kind of PIM.   >2. A good file manager. Microsofts is very poor by my standards. How >about one that has a left and right window and allows file operations  >between them. being able to launch programs from the same interface >would be nice. as well as text reading and graphics viewing. Those >who are familiar with Directory Opus on the Amiga know what I'm >looking for.   Well, a few things might help you like the 3.1 File Manager better.  1) To get more than one window simply double click on a drive icon.    That it only gives you one window to work with is a fallacy. You    can drag files between windows, to any icon on the tree on the left    side of the window, and to any drive icon. This beats your "left    and right window" as you can have as many open as you wish instead     of just two.  2) You can launch any app from within File Manager by double clicking    on the executable's icon.  3) You can launch any application and open a document file by double    clicking on the document file's icon, provided you have    associations set correctly. This is easily done with the menus. The    "browse" capability adds a lot of functionality to 3.1. So if you    name all your text files with .txt and point all GIF, TIFF, etc.    files towards Paintshop or WinGIF, this takes care of your    requirement for "text reading and graphics viewing".  I know someone who prefers using File Manager as his shell. Setting up all the associations you need is the way to do it.  If Directory Opus is half as good as File Manager then it must be pretty good indeed! File Manager just needs you to understand how some things are done.           --  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iskandar Taib                          | The only thing worse than Peach ala Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU |    Frog is Frog ala Peach Bitnet:   NTAIB@IUBACS                 !
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Moraltiy? (was Re: <Political Atheists?) Organization: sgi Lines: 62 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com  In article <1r5cmnINNb8@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |>  |> >Pardon me?   *I* am trying to apply human terms to non-humans? |>  |> That's right.  You are basically stating that morality can only deal with |> humans, because only humans are sentient enough to be moral (that is, |> you say that morality can only deal with intentions?).  I have never said that only humans are the only beings which are sufficiently sentient to have intentions.   In fact, I have explicitly said that I am perfectly happy to consider that some animals *are* capable of forming intentions.  What I am objecting to is considering programmed or instinctive behaviour to have moral significance, since, it seems to me,  such behaviour does *not* involve intention.  |>  |> >>I think that even if someone is not conscious of an alternative,  |> >>this does not prevent his behavior from being moral. |> >I'm sure you do think this, if you say so.   How about trying to |> >convince me? |>  |> I think that a moral act is moral whether or not the implementor  |> thinks it is.  That's not the point.   The point is whether the implementor thinks *at all*.    The issue is not whether thinking produces opinion A or opinion B, but whether thinking takes place, period.  |>  |> >I've offered, four times, I think, to accept your definition if |> >you allow me to ascribe moral significence to the orbital motion |> >of the planets. |>  |> Hmm... perhaps you can ascribe it.  I could say that many human actions |> are not "natural" and thus don't follow a natural morality.  Since humans are part of nature, are not all human actions "natural".  Or perhaps you're going to throw in a definition of "natural" that will allow us to describe some actions as "natural" and some as  "not natural".   If so, what is the definition?   |> Other than those death which surround mating rituals, other animals  |> just don't kill each other (within a species) that often, do they?    Sure they do, as multiple posters have show you.   Sharks, for example, eat wounded sharks.   I've personally seen cats eat their newborn.  Are you in some kind of denial?   People give you example after example, and you go off the air for a week, and then pop up claiming that it  never happened.    It's very strange.  |> But why don't animals kill each other?  See what I mean.   Here we go again.   What do we have to do: write up a tailor-made FAQ just for Mr Schneider?  jon.
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism) Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu  In article <1993Apr19.231641.21652@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:  >The positive aspect of this verse noted by Dr. Maurice Bucaille is that >while geocentrism was the commonly accepted notion at the time (and for >a long time afterwards), there is no notion of geocentrism in this verse >(or anywhere in the Qur'an).  	There is no notion of heliocentric, or even galacticentric either.    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 		 		"My sole intention was learning to fly."
From: nick@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de (   Nikan B Firoozye ) Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany Lines: 15  A related question (which I haven't given that much serious thought  to): at what lattitude is the average length of the day (averaged  over the whole year) maximized? Is this function a constant= 12 hours? Is it truly symmetric about the equator? Or is there some discrepancy due to the fact that the orbit is elliptic (or maybe the difference is enough to change the temperature and make the seasons in the southern hemisphere more bitter, but is far too small to make a sizeable difference in daylight hours)?  I want to know where to move.  	-Nick Firoozye 	nick@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de 
From: dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Stan Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 15     mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:  > And the same goes for other cultural practices.  The festival  > of Easter may possibly have some historical association with  > some pagan festival, but *today* there are, as far as I know,  > no Christians who *intend* to honor any kind of "pagan  > goddess" by celebrating Easter.          That argument would be more compelling if it were not for the Ishtar eggs and Ishtar bunnies.  Why mix pagan fertility symbols from the worship of the pagan goddess of fertility with Biblical belief?  What would really be lost if all of you were to just drop the word "Easter" and replace all such occurances with "Resurrection Sunday"?  Would you not show up for services if they were called "Resurrection Sunday Services" rather than "Easter Services"?  
From:  () Subject: Re: CLINTON JOINS LIST OF GENOCIDAL SOCIALIST LEADERS Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT. Lines: 27  In article <1r5rnn$rdt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray) wrote:  > Perhaps you've been under a rock the last few days?  The BATF and the FBI > are both federal agencies.  Clinton has admitted in front of news cameras > that Janet Reno (the once and future Attorney General) gave him a full > briefing of what was planned *before* they did it, and he gave her the > go ahead. >  > Maybe, just possibly, that makes him a *teensy* bit responsible?  Perhaps you've been under a rock since, say, the turn of the century. How in the #$^& is one man supposed to review every single freaking governmental action, every day? That's why we have an executive branch. HE reviewed the plan and said "go," but he wasn't the architect and he wasn't there, bullhorn in hand, implementing it. Yes, he was responsible in the sense that he was briefed. So what! Shit happens. That sounds like a callous way to dismiss the deaths of 90+ people, but I can't understand why people get so bent about the accidental death/suicide (which is it? could take months...) of some total fucking sociopath/child molester and his crazed followers while opposing U.S. intervention in Bosnia. Just like Billy boy said. I think some of you people have too much time on your hands, and screwed up priorities.  Just my HO...  joe.kusmierczak@mail.trincoll.edu
From: yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) Subject: Inflatable Mile-Long Space Billboards (was Re: Vandalizing the sky.) Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 70 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: yuggoth.ces.cwru.edu In-reply-to: enzo@research.canon.oz.au's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 22:36:55 GMT  In article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au> enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: >WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993  Washington, DC  >1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE "SPINOFFS" WE WERE PROMISED? >In 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published "The >Man Who Sold the Moon," which involved a dispute over the sale of >rights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this >hideous vision of the future.  Observers were >startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the >pad with "SCHWARZENEGGER" painted in huge block letters on the >side of the booster rockets.  Space Marketing Inc. had arranged >for the ad to promote Arnold's latest movie.  Well, if you're going to get upset with this, you might as well direct some of this moral outrage towards Glavcosmos as well.  They pioneered this capitalist application of booster adverts long before NASA. (Sign of the times: a Sony logo on a Soyuz launcher...)  >Now, Space Marketing >is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on >a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth >orbit.  This sounds like something Lowell Wood would think of.  Does anyone know if he's involved?  >NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, >since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates >(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This >may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of >Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the >project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone >monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs.  This may be the purpose for the University of Colorado people.  My guess is that the purpose for the Livermore people is to learn how to build large, inflatable space structures.  >.......... >What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize >the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore.  If this is true, I think it's a great idea.  Learning how to build to build structures in space in an essential step towards space development, and given that Freedom appears to be shrinking towards the vanishing point, I question whether NASA's space station is going to provide much, if any, knowledge in this area. (Especially if a design such as Faget's wingless orbiter is chosen...) If such a project also monitors ozone depletion and demonstrates creative use of (partial) private sector funding in the process -- so much the better.  >Is NASA really supporting this junk?  And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN news blip?  How serious is this project?  Is this just in the "wild idea" stage or does it have real funding?  >Are protesting groups being organized in the States?  Not yet.  Though, if this project goes through, I suppose The Return of Jeremy Rifkin is inevitable... -- _______________________________________________________________________________  Brian Yamauchi			Case Western Reserve University yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu	Department of Computer Engineering and Science _______________________________________________________________________________ 
From: s5600043@nickel.laurentian.ca Subject: Re: CD player going wonky - advise needed ! Lines: 18 Organization: Laurentian University  In article <1993Apr13.150525.17978@nessie.mcc.ac.uk>, sl@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Stuart Lea) writes: > Hello, > 	I've got a problem with my CD player (SONY CDP-35) in that it refuses > to play discs - more than a minor inconvenience!  The player itself doesn't > recognise that there is a disc in.  It's an intermitant problem, but one  > that is becoming more frequent. >  > 	Is this a common problem with older CD players and, if so, what > can be done to rectify it ?  If there is no obvious answer, how can I begin to  > start fault finding.  To start off with, How does thet mach recognise that  > there is a disc in in the first place ?   My experience is that the CD drawer becomes a bit loose, and the CD either skips or can't be read.  Try seeing if all the screws that hold down the drawer assembly are tightened properly.  Other than that, my next guess would be one of the motors.  Hope this helps. Dave Haans, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ontario.
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Noel B. Lorenzana <U38134@uicvm.uic.edu> Subject: Marvel comics for sale! (mostly cover price) Lines: 43  Comics for sale. All are Marvel and the majority of the comics are cover price. Buyer pays shipping. Shipping costs will vary with the quantity you buy. All reasonable offers will be considered.    Punisher W.J.     9,10,13,14,15,16,17,                   20-28,31-40,43        $1.75 each  Punisher          34,42,43,49,51-54,    $1.50 each (regular series)  56-62  X-factor          #1               $4.00                    2-4              3.00                    37,48,41,45,50,  1.75                    63               4.00                    65,66            3.00                    69-75            1.50                    Annual #7        2.25  Silver Surfer     4,22,23,29,30,41,                   50(1st, 3rd print)                   51-62                 $1.50 each  X-force           1-6         $1.50                   7-17         1.25  Ghost Rider       #5          $8.00                    7           4.00                    8,11        3.00                    13-34      $2.00 each  New Mutants       2,7,9,14,15-19,26,48,                   50,58,63,87(2nd),100  $2.00 each  Marvel Comics     89,91,92,95,96, Presents          99,100                $1.50 each   Here you have it. Please send replies to U38134@UICVM.UIC.EDU (Noel Lorenzana) Thanks.
From: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jim L) Subject: Need Sharp 6220, T2000 parts, information Distribution: world Organization: NCR Microelectronics Products Division (an AT&T Company) Lines: 23  I'm looking for a Sharp 6220 or TI Travelmate 2000 for parts.  Mine has a bad RAM chip on the motherboard and I want to see what I can get for parts before sending it off to Sharp for repairs.  If you have one, drop me a line.  Also, I'm trying to set one up for a friend who needs to read his old 5 1/4 inch diskettes.  Anyone have the pinout of the diskette expansion connector on the back of the 3.5 inch floppy box?   If you respond, please include a phone number. I can't always get through  with email.   As always,   Thanks,  Jim Lewczyk  --  Mailer address is buggy!  Reply to: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.com  James Lewczyk                                   1-303-223-5100 x9267 NCR-MPD Fort Collins, CO             jim.lewczyk@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM
From: ncmoore2@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Nathan Moore) Subject: Re: Bernoulli Drives/Disks... Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory Lines: 22  nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu (Nilay Patel) writes:  >I am looking for Bernoulli removable tapes for the 20/20 drive..  >Don't laugh ... I am serious...  >If you have any 20 MB tapes lying around that you would like to get rid of, >please mail me ...   >-- Nilay Patel >nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu  You do mean disks, don't you, not tapes?  You forgot to say whether you were looking for the old 8" or the newer 5.25".  Sorry, just use them at work and don't think they would appreciate it.  --  Nathan C. Moore The Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Laboratory ncmoore2@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu      CIS: 70702,1576 Please note above address for email replies.
From: pat@fegmania.wustl.edu (Pat Niemeyer) Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? Organization: Washington University in Saint Louis, MO USA Lines: 11 Reply-To: pat@fegmania.wustl.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: fegmania.wustl.edu Originator: pat@fegmania  >>>  Are any brands "quieter" than others?  >Yes some radar detectors are less detectable by radar detector >detectors. ;-)  I have a Bel-966. I just looked at the manual yesterday... and it does indeed claim to be undetectable by RDD's.   Pat
From: gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)    Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory Lines: 14  >>Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake> >>cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the j>udgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one.    >just to satiate my curiosity, why would this make you the stupid one?  It seems >to me, everybody SHOULD be aware enough of what is going on.  You do not need  I couldnt agree more.  That is how it SHOULD work. People should also ALWAYS see motorcycles too.  I CONSTANTLY scan behind me (I have one of those wink mirrors) and two outside mirrors.  I actually spend just as much time checking my six (cops you know).  I still get caught off guard every now and then.    Maybe I didnt word it right the first time.  What I was trying to say was that if you plan to blow by somebody at a very HIGH speed differential and you assume you are safe because the guy sees you, you are stupid (of course, it depends on the circumstances).  I have had some VERY scary instances when I assumed this and I dont think all of the fault was the other guy (now if he was going 25 in a 55 thats a whole different story)
Subject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (long) From: J5J@psuvm.psu.edu (John A. Johnson)  <1993Apr3.095220.24632@leland.Stanford.EDU><1993Apr5.084042.822@batman.bmd.trw.com> Organization: Penn State University Lines: 48  In article <1993Apr5.084042.822@batman.bmd.trw.com>, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com responds to a lot of grief given to him >In article <1993Apr3.095220.24632@leland.Stanford.EDU>, >galahad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Compton) a.k.a. "The Sagemaster" [ . . .] >But then I ask, So?  Where is this relevant to my discussion in >answering John's question of why?  Why are there genetic diseases, >and why are there so many bacterial and viral diseases which require >babies to develop antibodies.  Is it God's fault? (the original >question) -- I say no, it is not.  Most of Scotty's followup *was* irrelevant to the original question, but this is not unusual, as threads often quickly evolve away from the original topic.  What I could not understand is why Jim spent so much time responding to what he regarded as irrelevancies.  [ . . . ] >> May I ask, where is this 'collective' bullcrap coming from? [ . . . ] > >By "collective" I was referring to the idea that God works with >humanity on two levels, individually and collectively.  If mankind >as a whole decides to undertake a certain action (the majority of >mankind),  Well, I guess hypothetical Adam was "the majority of mankind" seeing how he was the ONLY man at the time.  >then God will allow the consequences of that action to >affect mankind as a whole.  If you didn't understand that, then I >apologize for not using one and two syllable words in my discussion.  I understand what you mean by "collective," but I think it is an insane perversion of justice.  What sort of judge would punish the descendants for a crime committed by their ancestor?  >If you want to be sure that I read your post and to provide a >response, send a copy to Jim_Brown@oz.bmd.trw.com.  I can't read >a.a. every day, and some posts slip by.  Thanks.  Well, I must admit that you probably read a.a. more often than I read the Bible these days.  But you missed a couple of good followups to your post.  I'm sending you a personal copy of my followup which I hope you will respond to publically in a.a.  John The Sageless
From: e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket) Subject: Dear Montana@pinetree.org  Re: Hockey Pool Distribution: rec.sport.hockey Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 15       Hi there, I can't seem to get mail to you. Can you tell me your entire adress, or even your dotted decimal address?     (ie. 131.202.3.10)     Thanks,            rocket@calvin.cs.unb.ca   --   -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -                                                                           - -    Maurice Richard                                                        -
From: rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) Subject: Incompetent law enforcement can kill X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University 	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither 	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 40   Ever since the siege at Waco started the FBI spokesman has been stressing how unstable and paranoid David Koresh was.  He stressed how likely it was the the Branch Davidians would commit mass suicide.  He was concerned with the safety of the children.   What did the FBI do to defuse the situation,  Did they try to reassure Koresh?  DId the FBI offer medical assistance to the BD?  Did the FBI offer them a supply of water when the BD pump stoped working?  Did the permit Koresh to communicate with anyone outside the compound?   What the FBI did was harass the Branch Davidians as much as possible. They kept powerful lights shining on the compound, shut off their electrical power, put their pump out of action, assaulted their ears with loud noise, cut off their communication with the outside and kept limiting their permitter.  The stated goal was to put pressure on David Koresh.   Was the FBI attempting to get Koresh to surrender or were they hoping to get Koresh so mad that he and some of his followers would attack the the tanks.   It appears that the tactics employed by the FBI did drive Koresh over the edge.  The blame for the deaths should be shared by both the federal experts whose tactics drove Koresh over the edge and the fools at the ATF who planed the raid.   Stupidity and incompetence of the BATF and the FBI leadership have resulted in the needless death of 90 innocent people.   If every thing had gone as planned 90 people would be alive today. Instead the ATF screwed up and caused the death of 90+.  Incompetent law enforcement can kill you!    -- Rod Anderson  N0NZO            | The only acceptable substitute Boulder, CO                    | for brains is silence. rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu         |       -Solomon Short- satellite  N0NZO on ao-16      |
From: tl@etek.chalmers.se (Torbj|rn Lindgren) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg, Sweden Lines: 11  In article <1993Apr23.102935.17390@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> sjmadsen@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (Steve Madsen) writes: >	Do you know any assembly language at all?  All anyone needs to do if >find the part of the code that does the quiz, and insert a JMP instruction >to just completely skip it.  Not that difficult, really!  And there is very >little that commpanies can do to stop this type of thing.  Using PKLITE or >some similar utility would help, but only if the resulting compressed .EXE >were tagged as uncompressable.  And even that doesn't help, there are at least two programs available that fixes this (UNP and DISLITE, both available from Simtel-20). And even without them it isn't THAT hard to fix.
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... Keywords: NHL, awards Article-I.D.: alchemy.1993Apr6.200446.7553 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 33  In article <1993Apr6.170330.12314@is.morgan.com> scairns@fsg.com writes: >Messier is a joke this year - bad back not withstanding.  His play is >the reason the Rangers will be on the golf course in a couple of weeks. >Gartner is my choice - the guy works his butt off every game. > >Kovalev - no surprise.  He's played adequately but as bad defensively  Kovalev is too talented a player to play for Roger Nielson...Roger needs players who can't think for themselves and can only skate in straight lines up and down the ice.  Dudley and Nielson are the only two coaches bad enough in the league to take talents like Mogilny and Kovalev and not know how to turn them into Bure and Selanne.  >as was predicted in preseason.  Perhaps he'll pull an Alex Mogilny in >a couple of years and surprise us then.  Zubov wasn't expected to make >it out of the minors this season and owing to the number of injuries, >has proved to be a very pleasant surprise. >  Get Muckler as coach, and Kovalev will look like Mogilny.  The trouble with the Rangers is that Neil Smith went out and got players like Messier, Kovalev, and Graves who have been schooled in taking the game to their opponent and attacking, while hiring coaches who are interested in "rope-a-dope" strategies.  If you want the Roger Nielsons of the world to be your coach you don't go out and get a Mark Messier, who is an old dog who can't learn new tricks from a known loser, and you don't waste your draft picks on players like Kovalev.  Gerald  Gerald
From: reimert@.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert) Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it??? Organization: TRW Inc., Redondo Beach, CA Lines: 14  Somewhere in this thread, it has been said that Windows NT (tm) is a  multi-user OS, as well as multi-threading, etc.  I certainly haven't seen this to be the case.  There are seperate accounts for each person, and even seperate directories if that is desired.  I don't see an  implentation of simultaneuos use though.  		Scott   --  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------   Scott Reimert  \    reimert@mamacass.etdesg.trw.com     /Standard disclaimer: Redondo Beach, CA \______________________________________/"Blah blah blah ... " __________________|Always store beer in a cool dark place|_____________________
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From: euatno@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Nopp) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Nntp-Posting-Host: euas27c42.eua.ericsson.se Nntp-Posting-User: euatno Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 78  rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:    >   Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter >of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on >NHL teams have escalated to the following stats:  >Canadians: 400 >Americans: 100 >Europeans: 100  >   Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top >25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun.  >   Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick >of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the >Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like "Bure" "Konstantinov" and >"Borshevshky". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, >and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other >teams is getting worse as well.   Is the answer as simple as that you dislike russians???  >    I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about "Pavel Bure, the >Russian Rocket" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see >the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the  >plexiglass so hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way,  >I'm not a Canucks fan to begin with ;-).   >Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that >I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and >some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR >NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even >better hockey players. It's all hype. This "European mystique" is sickening, >but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue >to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league.  >    With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly >only getting worse.  And where would canadian hockey be today without the europeans?? Dont say that the european influence on the league has been all bad for the game. I mean, look at the way you play these days. Less fights and more hockey. Imho, canadian hockey has had a positive curve of development since the 70's when the game was more brute than beauty......  >    I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures >and Selannes of the world play on their own continent.  Oh, look!! You don't like Finns either....  >    I just don't want them on mine. Too bad almost all of you northamericans originates from europe.....  Hmmm... And what kind of a name is Rauser. Doesn't sound very "canadian" to me. ;-)  PS. When analyzing teams like Italy, France and Great Britain you find that a lot of their players are "Canadians" with double citizenship... DS >  >  >--  >Richard J. Rauser        "You have no idea what you're doing." >rauser@sfu.ca            "Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional >WNI                          outlaws - we do this for a living." >----------------- >"Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." -Dr.Banzai          _________________       __________           /         _  ,     /l /         _/__()_/))_(/_/)_  _/ L/_()_/)_/)_                                    /  / ******************************************************************** * Tomas Nopp                    Tel   : +46 8 727 33 24            * * Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs Fax   : +46 8 647 80 59            * * Box 1505                      Email : Tomas.Nopp@eua.ericsson.se * * S-125 25 ALVSJO       <------ Snailmail                          * ********************************************************************
Subject: Re: Where are all the Bruins fans??? From: kwolfer@eagle.wesleyan.edu Organization: Wesleyan University Nntp-Posting-Host: willet.wesleyan.edu Lines: 26  In article <93113.010900RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu>, Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: > I'm just wondering where all the Bruins fans are???  I mean they woofed it > up with about 1,000,000 posts during the regular season saying that their > fave team was going to kick everyone's @#$ in the playoffs and win the Stanley > Cup.  While I see nothing wrong with a little ranting and raving, I'm just > curious why all the Boston faithful have stopped posting.  I mean I haven't > even see just one little Boston fan post, 'cept for the Bruins fans that > aren't cocky.  Well, maybe they're all out on the golf course or something, > but I don't know, I'd sure like to see where all those Bruins fans are at :-) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** Robbie Po **          1993's STREAKERS   "We do what comes naturally! > Patrick Division Semi's  -- PGH PENGUINS -- You see now, wait for the > PENGUINS 4, Devils 3     1991, 1992 STANLEY possibility, don't you see a > Penguins lead, 3-0       CUP CHAMPIONS :-)  strong resemblance..."-DG '89   Here in the middle of Connecticut there are plenty of Bruin Fans, many who have let me know in no uncertain terms that the Rangers choked down the stretch.  I think the Bruins are doing the same exact thing the Rangers did, they're playing too tight!!  Who's responsibility is it to check Mogilny?  He has gotten off a number of quality shots on goal of which there are many rebounds which are not being cleared by the B's defense.  It's too bad the B's might not get the opportunity to play Pittsburgh again.  I would really enjoy seeing Ulfie get beat up by Neely.  We all hate Ulfie, but would love him on are team!! 
From: scotts@bbking.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM ( Scott Sherman) Subject: Radius 24X $800 Keywords: Radius, Graphics Distribution: world Organization: NCR Microelectronics Products Division (an AT&T Company) Lines: 5  Radius 24X accelerated graphics adaptor. Supports multiple resolutions and allows on-the-fly changing of resolution or bit depth. MSRP $1999, street price $1700, your price: best offer over $800.  Scott (303)962-9473 x9779
From: colby@bu-bio.bu.edu (Chris Colby) Subject: Re: Life on Earth (or elsewhere :-) Distribution: sci Organization: animal -- coelomate -- deuterostome Lines: 55  In article <1993May13.212559.19618@julian.uwo.ca> jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: >In article <C6z8Ax.KCx.1@cs.cmu.edu> 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) writes:  >	What evidence is there that there is a trend towards greater >species diversity over time? What I see going on right now is a major >extinction event, and  it isn't clear to me that the diversity 10K years >ago was necessarily greater than 600 million years ago.  Well, there are several bursts in species diversity I can think of. The Cambrian and Ordovician explosions resulted in a vast increase in animal diversity. Likewise, after the one-two punch of the Permian and Triassic extinctions, the number of marine animals rose steadily (**) to an all-time high (*) just prior to the spread  of humans.  (**) biggest exception being the K/T (bye bye dinos) extinction  (*) about 800 families  Also, plants arose from green algae and colonized the land in succesive sweeps. Mosses colonized very wet environments first, ferns (who had evolved vascular tissues) took over more territory when they evolved (1). These were eventually (mostly) replaced by gymnosperms (pines and the like) (2) and then (mostly) displaced by angiosperms (flowering plants -- now the dominant plant group on the planet(3). Fungi also radiated greatly with the invasion of the land.   (1) around the carboniferous (up to about 200 families) (2) around the triassic (up to maybe 250 families) (3) starting in the cretaceous (rising to about 600 families currently)  It's unclear (to me at least) what the max equilibrium number of species the earth can hold (***) and if it has ever hit this in the past. It could be (warning: speculation alert) that diversity has never reached a peak because mass extinctions happen often enough to keep the total number down.  (***) This would depend a great deal on how fragmented specific ecosystems were.   See Cowen's book "History of Life" for a not-too-technical run-down on, well, like the title sez, the history of life. Or see, Wilson's "Diversity of Life" for a view centered more on current ecology -- this is (IMHO) the best popular biology book of (what the hell, I'll say it) all time.   >							James Nicoll  Follow-ups to t.o.  Chris Colby 	---	 email: colby@bu-bio.bu.edu	--- "'My boy,' he said, 'you are descended from a long line of determined, resourceful, microscopic tadpoles--champions every one.'"  	--Kurt Vonnegut from "Galapagos" 
From: hhtra@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) Subject: Re: Questions about insurance companies (esp. Geico) Distribution: usa Organization: Chevron Lines: 37  In article <66758@mimsy.umd.edu>, davew@cs.umd.edu (David G. Wonnacott) writes: |> I'm considering switching to Geico insurance, but have heard that |> they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim.  I was |> worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim.  I have |> also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident. |>  |> I'm interestend in determining whether or not these things are true. |> Has anyone out there with Geico made a claim?  I'd be interested in |> hearing whether or not you were satisfied with the service and whether |> you then had trouble renewing your policy. |>  |> I'm also interested in any good or bad stories about Liberty Mutual or |> State Farm.    Stay away from GEICO.   A recent CAR & DRIVER issue has an article about GEICO giving free  laser guns to police departments to increase they're speed limit  enforcement.  The article also said that if you get a speeding ticket  your premium will increase dramatically based on how much "over the  limit" you were.  If I remember correctly, at "more than 20 over",  you'll get something like a 65% increase.    If you have a radar detector, you will be denied coverage or dropped  immediately.    One accident claim and you will be dropped.  After many years with GEICO, my father who had 0 tickets and had made  0 claims, had an accident and filed an $800 claim.  He was dropped   immediately.  Since then he has been with State Farm for years with  no complaints.   I have been with State Farm for about 20 years - no complaints.    TRAVIS
From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) Subject: Re: Don Cherry - Coach's Corner summary - April 19, 1993 Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department Lines: 24  In article <Yfoz1lm00WBOQ13hYq@andrew.cmu.edu> "James J. Murawski" <jjm+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: > >On 20-Apr-93 in Don Cherry - Coach's Corner.. >user Allan Sullivan@cs.UAlber writes: >>Next, a clip was shown from an earlier episode, in which Don was >>proclaiming Doug Gilmour to be the best player, not only in >>the NHL, but in the world. What about players like Lemieux? >>Don said that Gilmour was the best PLAYER, not "Designated point getter". >>Its not like baseball, where you have a "designatted hitter" who >>can score runs but can't play defense. Gilmour is a good two way player. > >This clip was shown on local news in Pittsburgh last night (KDKA), complete >with animated sarcasm by the sportscaster.  It's the second time Cherry >has been shown on local Pittsburgh news in the last couple of weeks.  Both >times he was blasting Lemieux. >  His designated point-getter remarks were not only meant for Lemieux, but for Gretzky, Bure, etc. etc. .... and he made those particular remarks last December before Lemieux was diagnosed with Hodgkin's, and as the Leafs started their second half roll, and before Gilmour's great season was being recognized by many people.  Gerald
From: brandon@caldonia.nlm.nih.gov (Brandon Brylawski) Subject: Re: Should I be angry at this doctor? Organization: National Library of Medicine X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Distribution: na Lines: 30  mryan@stsci.edu writes: : Am I justified in being pissed off at this doctor? :  : Last Saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife. : I took him to a local "Urgent and General Care" clinic at 5:50 pm.  The  : clinic was open till 6:00 pm.  The receptionist went to the back and told the  : doctor that we were there, and came back and told us the doctor would not  : see us because she had someplace to go at 6:00 and did not want to be delayed  : here.  During the next few minutes, in response to my questions, with several  : trips to the back room, the receptionist told me: : 	- the doctor was doing paperwork in the back, : 	- the doctor would not even look at his finger to advise us on going : 	  to the emergency room; : 	- the doctor would not even speak to me; : 	- she would not tell me the doctor's name, or her own name; : 	- when asked who is in charge of the clinic, she said "I don't know." :  : I realize that a private clinic is not the same as an emergency room, but : I was quite angry at being turned away because the doctor did not want to : be bothered.  My son did get three stitches at the emergency room.    Speaking as a physician who works in an urgent care center, the above behavior is completely inappropriate. If a patient who requires extensive care shows up at the last minute, we always see them and give them appropriate care. It is reasonable for a clinic to refuse to see patients outside of its posted hours, but what you describe is misbehavior. Ask to speak to the clinic director, and complain. Whatever their attitude, they have nothing to gain from angering patients.  Brandon Brylawski
Subject: Re: What planets are habitable From: steveg@arc.ug.eds.com Distribution: sci Organization: EDS SCICON, GDS Solutions, Cambridge, UK Nntp-Posting-Host: 55661 Nntp-Posting-User: steveg Lines: 19  In article <C659w7.IyD@fs7.ece.cmu.edu>, loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) writes: > In article <JPG.93Apr27135219@holly.bnr.co.uk> jpg@bnr.co.uk (Jonathan P. Gibbons) writes:  >>I would appreciate any thoughts on what makes a planet habitable for Humans. >>I am making asumptions that life and a similar atmosphere evolve given a range >>of physical aspects of the planet.  The question is what physical aspects >>simply disallow earth like conditions. >> [deleted]  >> >    Dandridge Cole and Isaac Asimov collaborated on a book titled, > "Habitable Planets for Man" (I think) in 1964.  It should be available > in most good libraries, or through inter-library loan. >   This is the high-school science version; the original Rand study by Stephen H Dole "Planets for Man" gives the harder numbers & graphs & such (but predates Michael Hart's (& later) work on continuously  habitable zones)
From: alany@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Alan Yelvington) Subject: Re: Lead Acid batteries & Concrete? Distribution: na Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR. Lines: 6  The battery goes dead primarily becaust the floor is cold.  The temperature combined with self-discharge promotes sulfation which ruins the plates of  the battery.  I strongly suspect that the only reason the battery doesn't go dead as quickly on a dirt surface is because cement tends to be quite cooler. 
From: v064mb9k@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (NEIL B. GANDLER) Subject: Need info on 88-89 Bonneville Organization: University at Buffalo Lines: 10 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu    I am a little confused on all of the models of the 88-89 bonnevilles. I have heard of the LE SE LSE SSE SSEI. Could someone tell me the differences are far as features or performance. I am also curious to know what the book value is for prefereably the 89 model. And how much less than book value can you usually get them for. In other words how much are they in demand this time of year. I have heard that the mid-spring early summer is the best time to buy.  			Neil Gandler
From: pgupta@magnus.acs.ohio-state.EDU (Puneet K Gupta) Subject: WordBasic - Visual Basic - Macros/Template ??? Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu   I am working with Visual Basic v2.0 for windows. Specifically, I am working on an application that generates formatted reports. Since, some of these reports can be rather large, my first question is:  1.  Is there a way to increase the size of a list box or text box in Visual Basic/windows beyond the 64k limit?  As I have not (as yet - being optimistic :-) come across a way to get around the above problem, I am working on the following approach:  I am trying to create my own defined template in MS-Word, using the WordBasic Macros so that I can open up Word from Visual Basic(VB) and load this template of mine, which will work in the following way:  It will first open MyOwn.INI file (created in VB - at the time when the user selected the kind of report he weanted) and read the section from the .INI file and jump to the appropriate code in template - which will then open and read a file pertaining to the section it read from the .INI file.  1.  When using the GetProfileString function in WordBasic, is there a way to specify/change the default .INI file (which is win.ini) to MyOwn.INI file?  2. When using the file Input$ function in WordBasic - is there a way to read more than the 32k at one time?  --- Any help will be appreciated.  pgupta@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu 
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 34  In <1psg95$ree@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:  [On the issue of 'burning' nuclear wastes using particle beams...]  >How is it ever going to be an Off- the Shelf Technology if someone doesn't >do it?  Maybe we should do this as part of the SSF design goals. ;-)  >Gee fred.  After your bitter defense of 20 KHz power as a Basic technology >for SSF, Id think you would support a minor research program like >this.  I sometimes wonder if your newsfeed gives you different articles than everyone else, Pat.  Just a *few* corrections:  1) I never 'defended' 20kHz power, other than as something reasonable to GO LOOK AT.  2) I have also never opposed a *research project* into feasibility of the spalling reactor approach to 'cleaning' nuclear waste -- I simply doubt it could be made to work in the Real World (tm), which ought to become clear fairly quickly during a research program into feasibility (sort of like what happened to 20 kHz power -- it proved to have a down-side that was too expensive to overcome).  I figure 2 things wrong in a single sentence is a high enough fault density for even you, Pat.    --  "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live  in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA Lines: 48 	<C5uq9B.LrJ@toads.pgh.pa.us> <C5x3L0.3r8@athena.cs.uga.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov In-reply-to: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1993 03:41:24 GMT  In article <C5x3L0.3r8@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:     Newsgroups: sci.med    Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!athena!aisun3.ai.uga.edu!mcovingt    From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)    Sender: usenet@athena.cs.uga.edu    Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu    Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens    References: <PAULSON.93Apr19081647@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> <116305@bu.edu> <C5uq9B.LrJ@toads.pgh.pa.us>    Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 03:41:24 GMT    Lines: 27     In article <C5uq9B.LrJ@toads.pgh.pa.us> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:    >In article <116305@bu.edu> dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) writes:    >>    >>Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the    >>literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains    >>tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might    >>potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it.    >>Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested.    >    >Years ago when I was an intern, an obese young woman was brought into    >the ER comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures    >why attending a "corn festival".  We pumped her stomach and obtained    >what seemed like a couple of liters of corn, much of it intact kernals.      >After a few hours she woke up and was fine.  I was tempted to sign her out as    >"acute corn intoxication."    >----------------------------------------------------------------------------    >Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and     How about contaminants on the corn, e.g. aflatoxin???       --     :-  Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist        :    *****    :-  Artificial Intelligence Programs      mcovingt@ai.uga.edu :  *********    :-  The University of Georgia              phone 706 542-0358 :   *  *  *    :-  Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A.     amateur radio N4TMI :  ** *** **  <><  What is aflatoxin?  Sharon -- Sharon Paulson                      s.s.paulson@larc.nasa.gov NASA Langley Research Center Bldg. 1192D, Mailstop 156           Work: (804) 864-2241 Hampton, Virginia.  23681           Home: (804) 596-2362
From: bittle@niktow.canisius.edu (Jason Bittle) Subject: * Sabres are playing well... Organization: Canisius College, Buffalo NY. 14208 Lines: 18  But I have to agree.. Boston is a good team..  But streaky...  They put together a great streak to capture first place in the Adams, but for what?  They have lost the home ice advantage for at least the first round, and might not make it out of it.  I would love to see the Sabres win the first round, even though I bet on the Bruins (a 12-pack).    Oh well, perhaps I should start betting against the Sabres more often! ;-)    --  ciao,                              Jason Bittle (bittle@canisius.edu)  (a.k.a. Pillsbury Dough Boy ) Quote: "I compute... therefore, I. B. M."
From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 30  Kent Sandvik (sandvik@newton.apple.com) wrote: : In article <C5Mw03.9qr@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu : (Bill Conner) wrote: : > I'd say that what one chooses to observe and how the observation is : > interpreted and what significance it's given depends a great deal on : > the values of the observer. Science is a human activity and as such, : > is subject to the same potential for distortion as any other human : > activity. The myth that scientists are above moral influence or : > ethical concern, that their knowledge can be abstacted whole and pure : > from nature untainted by the biases of the scientist, is nonsense.  : Bill, this is wonderfully phrased. I assume you understand that your : statement is also undermining such human constructs as religion : as well.   Kent,  I'll accept this as a compliment although I'm always a little paranoid when visiting a.a, thanks. Yes I do know the extent of the statements relevence, it's what I think of as human nature. I'm not sure it undermines either religion or atheism since both claim special knowledge about the Truth and since such claims are always suspect, all we can learn from it is that humans are a very arrogant species. My point is that we cannot ignore human nature when examining human claims. The trick here then, is to find some way to abstract our infinitely fallible nature from whatever reality is out there so we can see what there is to see. I can think of no way this can be done.  Bill
From: bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney) Subject: RESULT: sci.life-extension passes 237:28 Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 284 NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net  The vote to create the proposed group, Sci.life-extension, was affirmative.  Yes votes:    237. No votes:      28.  What follows is a list of the people who voted, by vote ("no" or "yes").  Here are the people who voted NO:  bailey@utpapa.ph.utexas.edu               (Ed Bailey) barkdoll@lepomis.psych.upenn.edu          (Edwin Barkdoll) msb@sq.com                                (Mark Brader) carr@acsu.buffalo.edu                     (Dave Carr) desj@ccr-p.ida.org                        (David desJardins) jbh@Anat.UMSMed.Edu                       (James B. Hutchins) rsk@gynko.circ.upenn.edu                  (Rich Kulawiec) stu@valinor.mythical.com                  (Stu Labovitz) lau@ai.sri.com                            (Stephen Lau) plebrun@minf8.vub.ac.be                   (Philippe Lebrun) jmaynard@nyx.cs.du.edu                    (Jay Maynard) emcguire@intellection.com                 (Ed McGuire) rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu              (Richard H. Miller) smarry@zooid.guild.org                    (Marc Moorcroft) dmosher@nyx.cs.du.edu                     (David Mosher) ejo@kaja.gi.alaska.edu                    (Eric J. Olson) hmpetro@mosaic.uncc.edu                   (Herbert M Petro) smith-una@YALE.EDU                        (Una Smith) mmt@RedBrick.COM                          (Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS) urlichs@smurf.sub.org                     (Matthias Urlichs) ac999266@umbc.edu                         (a Francis Uy) werner@SOE.Berkeley.Edu                   (John Werner) wick@netcom.com                           (Potter Wickware) ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US                   (Gregory G. Woodbury) D.W.Wright@bnr.co.uk                      (D. Wright) yarvin-norman@CS.YALE.EDU                 (Norman Yarvin) ask@cblph.att.com spm2d@opal.cs.virginia.edu  Here are the people who voted YES:  FSSPR@ACAD3.ALASKA.EDU                    (Hardcore Alaskan) kalex@eecs.umich.edu                      (Ken Alexander) ph600fht@sdcc14.UCSD.EDU                  (Alex Aumann) franklin.balluff@Syntex.Com               (Franklin Balluff) barash@umbc.edu                           (Mr. Steven Barash) build@alan.b30.ingr.com               (Alan Barksdale (build)) lion@TheRat.Kludge.COM                    (John H. 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From: etjet@levels.unisa.edu.au Subject: Aussie needs info on USA car shows/swap meets Reply-To: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au Organization: University of South Australia Lines: 54    Hi from Australia,  I am a car enthusiast in Australia.   I am particularly interested in American Muscle cars of the  1960s and 1970s. ALL MAKES: AMC, Ford, Chrysler/Mopar, GM.  I will be in the USA for 6 weeks from May 2nd to -June 14 1993.  Chicago: Sun May 2 -Thursday May 6 Denver:  Friday May 7 - Sunday May 9 Austin, Texas: Monday May 10- Friday May 21 Oklahoma City: Friday May 21 - Monday May 24 Anaheim, California: Tuesday May 25-Thursday May 27 Las Vegas, Nevada:  Friday May 28- Sunday May 30 Grand Canion, Monday May 31 - Tuesday June 1 Las Angeles, San Diego and vicinity: Wednesday June 3-Sunday June 6 June South Lake Tahoe, Cal: Sunday June 6 - Wednesday June 9 Reno: Thursday June 10 San Fransisco: Thursday June 10 - Sunday June 13   I was wondering if anyone could send me any information of  car shows, swap meets, drag meets, model car shows etc. during this period. Can anybody tell me when the Pomona Swap meet is on this year?  Also, any places to visit (eg. car museums, private collections,  your collection? etc. Any bit of information is appreciated!  I am also interested in finding some model cars (scale Models).  I am intersted in 1968-1974 AMC cars. Of particular interest is: 1968-1970 AMX 1968-1974 Javelin 1969 SCRAMBLER 1970 Rebel Machine and others  If you have any kits, plastics, diecast etc and are interested in selling them, tell me, I will be interested.  I can also send/bring you models of Australian High performance cars if  you are interested.   Please reply by email to: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au   Thanks,  John Tsimbinos   
From: me170pjd@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP (Peter J Demko) Subject: Re: solvent for duct-tape adhesive? Originator: me170pjd@freehold.emba.uvm.edu Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility Lines: 17  From article <1993Apr27.004240.24401@csi.jpl.nasa.gov>, by eldred@rrunner.jpl.nasa.gov (Dan Eldred): > In article <1rh9b0INN2r4@snoopy.cis.ufl.edu> ruck@beach.cis.ufl.edu (John Ruckstuhl) writes: >>I know this is a long shot, but does anyone know what solvent I should  >>use to clean duct-tape adhesive from carpet? >>Someone taped wires to the carpet, and now it is time to move out. >> > I don't know for sure that this will work, but you might try MEK (methyl > ethyl keytone?).  It worked getting the stickum left over from shelf paper, > and is available at paint stores.  Use a carbon gas mask and lots of > ventilation--this stuff really stinks! >  > 	- Dan >   For those who don't know, methyl ethyl ketone is more commonly known  as ACETONE and can be found as the major active ingredient in NAIL POLISH REMOVER.  YOUR WIFE'S PROBABLY GOT SOME HANGIN' AROUND....
From: kjiv@lrc.edu Subject: Hismanal, et. al.--side effects Organization: Lenoir-Rhyne College, Hickory, NC Lines: 22  Can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications  has been linked to rapid/excessive weight gain and/or a distorted  sense of taste or smell:  Hismanal; Azmacort (a topical steroid to  prevent asthma); Vancenase.  Also: You may have guessed, I'm an allergy sufferer--but I'm beginning to  suspect I'm also the victim of a Dr. toliberal with the prescription  p. The allergist I went to last Oct. simply inquired about my symptons  ( I was suffering chronic asthma attacks), gave me a battery of  allergy tests, and went down a checklist of drugs (a photocopied  sheet).  I've gained out 30 lbs. since then though I haven't eaten  more or much differently than before; I'vsuffered depression; ,  fatigue; and I've experienced a foul smell and sense of taste for  about the last two months.  I mentioned the lack of smell and taste to  this Dr. in Feb. and he said my sinuses did look a bit swollen (he  just looked up my nose with his little light--the same one used for  ears), and prescribed Prednisone and Sulfatrim DS (severe headaches  and a rash resulted, particularly after my week's worth of Prednisone  ran out).  Now he wants to do a rhinoscopy to see if I have a bleeding  ulcer or polyps in my sinus cavities.  I'm considering seeing another  doctor.  Any suggestions/advice?  I'd really appreciate it!
From: patchman@lion.WPI.EDU (Peter Bruce Harper) Subject: Personal to Ulf Samuellsson Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 22 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: lion.wpi.edu   Dear Ulf,  	Would you possibly consider helpiMontreal Canadiens fans everywhere by throwing a knee-check in the direction of Denis Savard during your upcoming game against Montreal? We just can't seem to win WITH him!  						Thanx alot, 						Pete H.   :-)   ############################################################################### !Pete Harper          ! Baby, baby don't you hesitate 'cause I just can't wait! !patchman@wpi.wpi.edu ! Lady once you get me down on my knees,                ! !OR                   ! then you can do what you please . . .                 ! !U_HARPER@jake.wpi.edu! COME ON AND LOVE ME!                                  ! !                     !         -Skid Row, "Come On and Love Me"              ! ******************************************************************************* 
From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 60  In article <May.9.05.40.36.1993.27495@athos.rutgers.edu> koberg@spot.Colorado.EDU (Allen Koberg) writes: >There seem to be many points to the speaking in tongues thing which >are problematic.  It's use as prayer language seems especially troubling >to me.  I understand that when you pray in tongues, the spirit is doing >the talking.  And when you pray, you pray to God.  And the Spirit is >God.  So, the Spirit is talking to Himself.  Which is why I only go >by the Pentecost use where it's an actual language.  What is wrong with "the Spirit talking to Himself."  Jesus intercedes for us, and Romans 8:26-27 tell of how the Spirit intercedes for us before God.  That is no theological problem.  Tounges as a prayer language finds support in I Corinthians 14:14-18.   >Moreover, the phrase "though I speak with the tongues of men and angels" >used by Paul in I Cor. is misleading out of context.   Some would then >assume that there is some angelic tongue, and if when they speak, it >is no KNOWN language, then it is an angelic tongue.  Its true that this could be (and has been) used as a rug to sweep any difficulties under.  But it is a valid point.  Paul does mention angelic tounges in the verse.    >Hmmm...in the old testament story about the tower of Babel, we see how >God PUNISHED by giving us different language.  Can we assume then that >if angels have their own language at all, that they have the SAME one >amongst other angels?  After all, THEY were not punished in any manner.  If the languages we sepak are the result of Babel, then it stands to reason that angels would speak a different language from us.  You do  have a valid point about multiple angelic languages.  But angelic beings maybe of different species so to speak.  maybe different species communicate differently.    >Trouble is, while such stories abound, any and all attempts at >verification (and we are to test the spirit...) either show that >the witness had no real idea of the circumstances, or that outright >fabrication was involved.  The Brother Puka story in a previous post >seems like a "friend of a friend" thing.  And linguistically, a two >syllable word hardly qualifies as language, inflection or no.  I have heard an eyewitness account, myself.  Such things are hard to prove. They don't lend themselves to a laboratory thing very well.  I don';t know if it is a very holy thing to take gifts into a laboratory anyway.  >Much as many faith healers have trouble proving their "victories" (since >most ailments "cured" are just plain unprovable) and modern day >ressurrections have never been validated, so is it true that no >modern day xenoglossolalia has been proved by clergy OR lay.  That's an unprovable statement.  How can you prove if somethings been proved? There is no way to know that you've seen all the evidence.  Once I  saw an orthodontists records complete with photographs showing how one of his patients severe underbite was cured by constant prayer.    John G. Lakes once prayed for someone and saw them healed in a laboratory, according to "Adventures in God."  Its an interesting book.  Link
From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) Subject: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 2 Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366 Lines: 99  Here is a press release from the White House.   President Clinton's Remarks On Waco With Q/A  To: National Desk  Contact: White House Office of the Press Secretary, 202-456-2100     WASHINGTON, April 20 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Following are remarks by President Clinton in a question and answer session with the press (Part 2 of 2):       Go ahead, Sarah.       Q  There are two questions I want to ask you.  The first is, I think that they knew very well that the children did not have gas masks while the adults did, so the children had no chance because this gas was very -- she said it was not lethal, but it was very dangerous to the children and they could not have survived without gas masks.  And on February 28th -- let's go back -- didn't those people have a right to practice their religion?       THE PRESIDENT:  They were not just practicing their religion, they were -- the Treasury Department believed that they had violated federal laws, any number of them.       Q  What federal laws --       THE PRESIDENT:  Let me go back and answer -- I can't answer the question about the gas masks, except to tell you that the whole purpose of using the tear gas was that it had been tested; they were convinced that it wouldn't kill either a child or an adult but it would force anybody that breathed it to run outside.  And one of the things that I've heard -- I don't want to get into the details of this because I don't know -- but one of the things that they were speculating about today was that the wind was blowing so fast that the windows might have been opened and some of the gas might have escaped and that may be why it didn't have the desired effect.       They also knew, Sarah, that there was an underground compound -- a bus buried underground where the children could be sent.  And they were -- I think they were hoping very much that if the children were not released immediately outside that the humane thing would be done and that the children would be sent someplace where they could be protected.       In terms of the gas masks themselves, I learned yesterday -- I did not ask this fact question before -- that the gas was supposed to stay active in the compound longer than the gas masks themselves were to work.  So that it was thought that even if they all had gas masks, that eventually the gas would force them out in a nonviolent, nonshooting circumstance.       MS. MYERS:  Last question.       Q  Mr. President, why are you still saying that --       Q  Could you tell us whether or not you ever asked Janet Reno about the possibility of a mass suicide?  And when you learned about the actual fire and explosion what went through your mind during those horrendous moments?       THE PRESIDENT:  What I asked Janet Reno is if they had considered all the worse things that could happen.  And she said -- and, of course, the whole issue of suicide had been raised in the public -- he had -- that had been debated anyway.  And she said that the people who were most knowledgeable  about these kinds of issues concluded that there was no greater risk of that now than there would be tomorrow or the next day or the day after that or at anytime in the future.  That was the judgment they made.  Whether they were right or wrong, of course, we will never know.       What happened when I saw the fire, when I saw the building burning?  I was sick.  I felt terrible.  And my immediate concern was whether the children had gotten out and whether they were escaping or whether they were inside, trying to burn themselves up. That's the first thing I wanted to know.       Thank you.       Q  Mr. President, why are you still saying it was a Janet Reno decision?  Isn't it, in the end, your decision?       THE PRESIDENT:  Well, what I'm saying is that I didn't have a four- or five-hour, detailed briefing from the FBI.  I didn't go over every strategic part of it.  It is a decision for which I take responsibility.  I'm the President of the United States and I signed off on the general decision and giving her the authority to make the last call.  When I talked to her on Sunday, some time had elapsed.  She might have made a decision to change her mind.  I said, if you decide to go forward with this tomorrow, I will support you. And I do support her.       She is not ultimately responsible to the American people; I am.  But I think she has conducted her duties in an appropriate fashion and she has dealt with this situation I think as well as she could have.       Thank you.  (Applause.)   -30-
From: naren@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Naren Bala) Subject: Re: Theists posting Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR. Lines: 21  In article <C4ux99.AIC@ra.nrl.navy.mil> khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes:  Stuff deleted   >Is there a concordance for the FAQ?  WHich translation is considered >most authoritative?  Is there an orthodox commentary for the FAQ >available?  Is there one FAQ for militant atheists and another for >moderate atheists; or, do you all read from the same FAQ?  If so, >how do you resolve differences of interpretation?  Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.............................................          I can put the same question to followers of any religion. How do you Moslems resolve differences of opinion ?? Don't tell me that there is one interpretation of the Quran. Read the soc.culture.* newsgroups. You will zillions of different interpretations.  -- Naren naren@TEKIG1.PEN.TEK.COM   All standard disclaimers apply 
From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) Subject: Thinking About Buying Intrepid - Good or Bad Idea? Organization: Boeing Computer Services Lines: 7  I'm thinking of buying a new Dodge Intrepid - Has anyone had any experiences that they'd like to share?  Thanks.  BobC 
From: pierson@cimill.enet.dec.com (Dave Pierson) Subject: Re: PCMCIA Nntp-Posting-Host: cimill Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 19  In article <1d.11083.3287.0NAC6CC5@synapse.org>, martin.vuille@synapse.org (Martin Vuille) writes...  >Does anyone know who to contact to obtain a copy of the PCMCIA standard?  	PCMCIA 	1030G East Duane St 	Sunnyvale, CA 94086 USA 	408-720-0107  	See also: 	alt.periphs.pcmcia  thanks dave pierson			|the facts, as accurately as i can manage, Digital Equipment Corporation	|the opinions, my own. 40 Old Bolton Rd		|I am the NRA Stow, Mass 01775 USA		|pierson@msd26.enet.dec.com "He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing."  A J Raffles
From: scr2275@hertz.njit.edu (Samuel C. Ramac) Subject: Terminal setup, How? Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J. Lines: 8 Nntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu  I am new to Windows and I wanted to know how to setup the terminal program. I have a modem in COM4, but when it try to configure it inside Windows I get the messare "Unsupported COM ..."  Can anyone help me?  _sam_   
From: ekalenda@netcom.com (Edward J Kalenda) Subject: Re: overlapped window without a title bar Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: usa Lines: 18  From article <1rc07h$ern@olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com>, by manu@oas.olivetti.com (Manu Das): >  > I have a overlapped window(say V) which has few child windows (a,b,c, etc) > The window shows up with all it's children fine. Now, I create another  > child(t) with a WS_THICKFRAME style and placed on top of one or more of > it's siblings. Style WS_THICKFRAME is used so that I can resize it. How do > I make sure that the child 't' will always be at the top of it's siblings. > I used SetWindowPos() and BringWindowToTop() without success. What's happening > is that while I am resizing 't' it shows up but as soon as I let go, it goes > behild it's siblings.  The window is probobly on top but the lower windows are drawing over it. Try using WS_CLIPSIBLING to keep the lower siblings from drawing on the top sibling's space. --   Ed ekalenda@netcom.COM
From: kschang@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Kuo-Sheng (Kasey) Chang) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Organization: San Francisco State University Lines: 93  In article <1993Apr23.102935.17390@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> sjmadsen@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (Steve Madsen) writes:   backupable, if restored to the same machine >>(depends>> on the programmer...  don't use a disk drive characteristic!) If the user >> did an upgrade to the machine, he/she should reinstall all programs any way. >> No document look-up, no disk wear-and-tear! >   > This is not a good idea.. I upgraded my motherboard last fall.  I >would have been quite pissed at any software that would have forced me to >reinstall simply because I changed motherboards. >  Opinion is understandable.  :-)  I assume you have a tape drive?  Not all of us have about 200 floppies around for backup, you know.    > Any info in the BIOS is too volatile to use as a checksum.  Are you >going to require that a user re-install all their software if they add 4Mb >of RAM to their computer?  I did that a couple of weeks ago.  It's in the >BIOS, and if software had told me "this isn't the machine you installed me >on" I would never have used that software again.  Really bad idea.   RAM is something you add all the time, so no.  It's more like BIOS manufacturer and/or processor type (386/486/etc).  Data cannot be used, esp with these new Flash ROM BIOS machines with updates on a diskette.  On the other hand, to make this LESS intrusive it could be disguised as "Please Insert Original Disk #XX as I need file YYYYYY for update".  :-)  It would be perfectly reasonable...  Sort of.  > >> I did not say that the originals would allow only one install.  The user's >> conscience should do that.   > > This is silly.  It's much easier to loan disks to a friend and let >them do an install than to backup your copy already on disk, and then give >them that.  Your scheme isn't going to stop anyone.   Of course it is easier.  Are you saying then the originals SHOULD allow only one install?  What is your point?  > >> You know how many bytes you need to change in X-wing to disable >> the quiz?  TWO!  Yes, TWO!  (And don't ask me which ones they are.)  > > Do you know any assembly language at all?  All anyone needs to do if >find the part of the code that does the quiz, and insert a JMP instruction >to just completely skip it.  Not that difficult, really!  And there is very >little that commpanies can do to stop this type of thing.  Using PKLITE or >some similar utility would help, but only if the resulting compressed .EXE >were tagged as uncompressable.   I know x86 and 680x0 assembly quite well, thank you.  I know exactly which two bytes need to be changed, I have the code to do them too.  I just said "Don't ask me which ones."  I didn't say I don't know what that means.  Such hacking can be EASILY discouraged by adding anti-patching code which does a self-check upon execution and refuse to load if CRC does not match value stored (encrypted, of course) in the program.  It could be claimed as a part of anti-virus code, and it would not be far from the truth.   > >> What I believe the companies should do is implement the above plus >> a special patch once the user registers that loudly exclaims upon bootup >> "REGISTERED TO XXXXX -- address, city, state zip" and disables the above.   > > This is by far the best idea you presented in your post.  Making it >plainly obvious who registered is going to stop casual pirates. But, the >determined ones are just going to answer "Joe Blow" to the question of >"what's your name" so this won't stop them in the long run.   Did ANYONE read what I wrote?  That is NOT what I wrote! (or meant!)    What I said was the program should have certain restriction (such as the restrict-to-one-machine) UNTIL the program is registered with the manufacturer.  The manufacturer will then supply the then-proven-legitimate-user with a patch that will disable the restriction and PROUDLY PROCLAIM the legal copy with the "Registered to XXX" screen.  > > Pirates are always going to win this fight.  They simply have more >time to work on the software and figure out the protection scheme.   Of course they will, but that was NOT my point.  The purpose of copy protection is to discourage casual pirates ("Oh, can I have a copy of that?"/"Sure, here.") and the less sophisticated pirates ("Let's look for all those calls to INT13H...") .  Any one determined enough to break copy protection can and will succeed.  They can always backtrace the entire load-sequence of the program.  The point of copy protection is to make such attempts take as long as possible while not intruding upon the uses (or to minimize such intrusion) of legitimate use.  Pirates who see copy protection as a challenge love breaking them, and no amount of copy protection will stop them, but the rest of us WILL be stopped.  How many of these hardcore pirates are there compared to rest of us?  Not that many.  --Kasey Chang
From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Russian Email Contacts. Organization: NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 10  I am coordinating the Space Shuttle Program Office's e-mail traffic to NPO Energia for our on-going Joint Missions.  I have several e-mail addresses for NPO Energia folks, but I won't post them on the 'Net for obvious reasons.  If you need to know, give me a yell.  -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office       kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov  (713) 483-4368       "The earth is the cradle of humanity, but mankind will not stay in      the cradle forever." -- Konstantin Tsiolkvosky
From: gray@feline.uucp (Kelly Gray) Subject: Re: Pinout needed for TIL311 Organization: Humber College Technology Dept. Lines: 29   According to my TI databook, the pinouts for the TIL311 display are as follows:    Pin 1 - LED supply voltage  Pin 2 - Latch data input B  Pin 3 - Latch data input A  Pin 4 - Left decimal point cathode  Pin 5 - Latch strobe input  Pin 6 - Omitted  Pin 7 - Common ground  Pin 8 - Blanking input  Pin 9 - Omitted   Pin 10 - Right decimal point cathode  Pin 11 - Omitted  Pin 12 - Latch data input D  Pin 13 - Latch data input C  Pin 14 - Logic supply voltage, Vcc   The logic supply voltage is 5V @ 60-90mA. The LED supply is also 5V, but it need not be particularly well regulated. The LED drivers on the chip use a constant current source, so LED intensity is not affected by the supply voltage.    --   <o_o>    Kelly Gray          gray@feline.uucp (preferred)          gray@admin.humberc.on.ca
From: steinark@edb.tih.no (Steinar Kleven) Subject: Re: Windows Help Nntp-Posting-Host: beta.edb.tih.no Organization: Trondheim College of Engineering X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 38  Mario Veraart (mveraart@fel.tno.nl) wrote: : umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Qing Yin) writes:  : >Hi, it's an *easy* question for you Windows gurus.  I'd appreciate any help.  : >We need to write an on-line help for our application.  We don't have : >Windows Software Developer's Toolkit (yet :-) ). Since we just want to build : >a .HLP file around Windows' help engine, I hope it won't be that complicated? : >Anyway, could someone kindly give me some hints of how to build such an : >on-line help, if it does not take 100 pages to explain? Or if it is complicated, : >would you help to point out what I would need to do it? : >--    : >Vincent Q. Yin : >umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca  : Hi,  : If you have developed your own windows application you must have a  : SDK of some sort that contains the HC.EXE or HC31.EXE file to  : compile and generate .HLP files out of .RTF files.  ****------->  No, U can download what??.zip from ftp.cica.indiana.edu               This package from MS is all U need to buid (simple?) .HLP               files from Rich Text Format Files (.RTF). This package               also contains .DOT tamplates for MS Word4Win.   : RTF files are generated by a wordprocessor like Word for Dos or W4W.  : If this is not the solution be more specific about your application.  : Mario : --  : Mario Veraart                  TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory : email: rioj7@fel.tno.nl        The Hague       The Netherlands : "If all else fails, show pretty pictures and animated videos,  :  and don't talk about performance",  David Bailey
From: apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland) Subject: Re: Telephone # of Cirrus Logic Organization: Malaspina College Lines: 14  In article <C63M1s.M86@news.Hawaii.Edu>, chen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Hua Chen) writes: > Is there anybody who knows the telephone number of Cirrus Logic Co.,  > maker of a graphic card? Please reply to chen@cfa.harvard.edu > Thank you very much.   >  > Hua Chen > Center for Astrophysics >    BBS number 510-226-2365  Ron
From: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: sam.cchem.berkeley.edu Originator: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu  In article <81930415084418/0005111312NA3EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes:  >Recently while looking around in Traders Sporting Goods store, a very well >stocked firearms store, I discovered a printed document that was being  >distributed by the good folks who work there.  Traders, BTW, is located in >San Leandro, CA. . . .  >The newspapers have now decided to censor gun ads - which is why you no longer >see the ads that Traders, San Leandro, has run for many years. > >These ads were run for the law-abiding honest citizens who own firearms for >sporting use or self-protection.  They certainly have the right to do so, under >the Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms.   Are you sure about this? I'm currently looking at a copy of last  Thursday's SF Chronicle and there is the typical one column Traders ad on page C7 in the Sports section. Not only that, but there is a part in the middle which rather prominently says "WANTED: We pay cash for assault rifles and pistols.". Granted, I haven't seen today's paper yet. But I'd be surprised if there wasn't a Traders ad in it. It's probably worth it to write to the Chronicle (and other papers) anyway, because all their anti-gun editorials are disgusting.  By the way, let me put in a plug for Traders. I have shopped all over the SF Bay Area and I have never seen another store with lower prices. And their selection is amazing.  --------------------------------------------------------------------- Lee Gaucher                         |   My opinions. gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu      |   No one else's. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
From: isaackuo@skippy.berkeley.edu (Isaac Kuo) Subject: Re: Abyss--breathing fluids Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department. Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: skippy.berkeley.edu  Are breathable liquids possible?  I remember seeing an old Nova or The Nature of Things where this idea was touched upon (it might have been some other TV show).  If nothing else, I know such liquids ARE possible because...  They showed a large glass full of this liquid, and put a white mouse (rat?) in it.  Since the liquid was not dense, the mouse would float, so it was held down by tongs clutching its tail.  The thing struggled quite a bit, but it was certainly held down long enough so that it was breathing the liquid.  It never did slow down in its frantic attempts to swim to the top.  Now, this may not have been the most humane of demonstrations, but it certainly shows breathable liquids can be made. --  *Isaac Kuo (isaackuo@math.berkeley.edu)	*       ___ *					* _____/_o_\_____ *	Twinkle, twinkle, little .sig,	*(==(/_______\)==) *	Keep it less than 5 lines big.	* \==\/     \/==/
Subject: ACCESS BUS (was I2C bus) From: srgxnbs@grace.cri.nz Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand. NNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz Lines: 37  From:	MX%"Andy.Macrae@Corp.Sun.COM"  6-APR-1993 06:48:34.96 To:	SRGXNBS CC:	 Subj:	Re: I^2C bus and long haul serial (also Axlo  Return-Path: <Andy.Macrae@Corp.Sun.COM> Received: from Sun.COM by GRV.GRACE.CRI.NZ (MX V3.1C) with SMTP; Tue, 06 Apr           1993 06:48:29 +1300 Received: from Corp.Sun.COM (lemay.Corp.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id           AA24280; Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:48:08 PDT Received: from grendal.Corp.Sun.COM by Corp.Sun.COM (4.1/elliemay (corpmail1           inbound)) id AA25933; Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:48:07 PDT Received: by grendal.Corp.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05710; Mon, 5 Apr 93           11:47:28 PDT Date: Mon, 5 Apr 93 11:47:28 PDT From: Andy.Macrae@Corp.Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae) Message-ID: <9304051847.AA05710@grendal.Corp.Sun.COM> To: srgxnbs@grace.cri.nz Subject: Re: I^2C bus and long haul serial (also Axlo CC: Andy.Macrae@Corp.Sun.COM content-length: 693  In article <1pii04INNk6t@zephyr.grace.cri.nz> you write: > Whats required to get onto the ACCESS bus? The nice thing about the > i2c is that most i/o requires one 8 ... 16 pin DIL chip, ie its cheap > and easy. Anyone can design a bus, trouble is most buses require a > host of interface chips and often on-board intelligence.  Bruce, 	For the latest information on Access.Bus call the Access.Bus Industry Group at (408) 991-3517.  Also, Sun will be hosting the next meeting of the group on April 19th, here in Mountain View.  For some reason I am not able to post to any newsgroups today, so please feel free to pass this information on yourself as you see fit.  						Andrew MacRae 
From: jgoss@gaia.torolab.ibm.com (Jeff Goss) Subject: Re: V4 V6 V8 V12 Vx? 	<1r8ufk$fr7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> 	<1993Apr23.172824.17128@telxon.mis.telxon.com> Organization: IBM Toronto Lab Lines: 41 In-Reply-To: joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1993 17:28:24 GMT  In article <1993Apr23.172824.17128@telxon.mis.telxon.com> joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt) writes:   > Newsgroups: rec.autos > Path: eclipse!yktnews.watson.ibm.com!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!news.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!louie!udel!news.intercon.com!psinntp!telxon.mis.telxon.com!joes > From: joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt) > Organization: TELXON Corporation > References: <Apr22.202724.24131@engr.washington.edu> <1993Apr23.132214.6755@cs.tulane.edu> <1r8ufk$fr7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 17:28:24 GMT > Lines: 30 >  > In article <1r8ufk$fr7@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A.  > Spencer) writes: > > > >In a previous article, finnegan@nrlssc.navy.mil () says: > > > >>In article <Apr22.202724.24131@engr.washington.edu> > >>eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: > >>> > >>>the subarus all use 180 degree vees in their engines..  :-) > >>> > >>> > >>>eliot > >> > >>Wouldn't that make them an I4?  Or would they  > >>really be an _4 (henceforth referred to as > >>"underscore 4")? > > > >i think that it is technicaly known as a 180 degree vee configuration. > >(could be wrong....this is how i've seen them referred to) > >DREW >  > I've always heard them referred to "horizontally opposed"... >  > Joe >   Kinda dull - I've always liked 'boxer' - Subarus can use this, as does Porche 911 and BMW twins (that's a motorcycle for you with 2 too many  wheels). Jeff Goss
From: sieferme@stein.u.washington.edu (Eric Sieferman) Subject: Re: I don't beleive in you either. Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu  In article <1993Apr13.213055.818@antioc.antioch.edu> smauldin@antioc.antioch.edu writes: >I stopped believing in you as well, long before the invention of technology. > >--GOD >  Don't listen to this guy, he's just a crank.  At first, this business about being the "one true god" was tolerated by the rest of us, but now it has gotten completely out of hand.  Besides, it really isn't so bad when people stop believing in you. It's much more relaxing when mortals aren't always begging you for favors.  -- ZEUS 
From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) Subject: Re: BD's did themselves--you're all paranoid freaks Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 12   |This was no MOVE fuck-up. A helicoptor was thermal-imaging the compound |that afternoon and detected three fires erupting almost simultaneously.  Did anyone notice any helicopters equipped with thermal imaging  equipment? They usually manifest themselves in a turret in the front of the helo, or a sphere on top of the rotor with optical elements.  I didn't notice any UH-1s or other helos equipped as such. Did they use handheld military thermal scanners? If so, there is no recording capability, and hence the credibility of the report is subject to human error.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 9  In article <1993Apr14.152328.15997@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: >There may be a case where a speed limit sign is not necessary. But take >them away entirely?  	Yeah, you're right.  Doing away with speed limits would just mean huge tax increases as municipalities tried to make up for the revenue they used to gouge from passing motorists.  
From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) Subject: Re: V4 V6 V8 V12 Vx? Summary: How about a Beamer? Lines: 33  In article <1993Apr24.150653.8115@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, bqueiser@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Brian J Queiser) writes: | cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: | >aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes: |  | >>i think that it is technicaly known as a 180 degree vee configuration. | >>(could be wrong....this is how i've seen them referred to) |  | >    Then what is a "Flat-" engine??? |  | flat = 180 deg V = horizonatlly opposed |  | Usually, it also equals "boxer," however, I think the term is | traditionally reserved for 8's and 12's (and firing order matters). | This was talked about here in r.a many months back; I can't remember | the consensus. |  | Examples: |  | Ferrari's 512TR is a flat 12 boxer. | Porsche's 911 is a flat 6. | Subaru's Impreza is a flat 4. |  | Regards, |   Not to inject a non-automotive note to this thread, but the BMW opposed twin used in motorcycles for a *long* time is and always has been known as a "boxer".   -- Ken Franklin 	They say there's a heaven for people who wait AMA     	And some say it's better but I say it ain't GWRRA           I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints DoD #0126       The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young
From: annick@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Annick Ansselin) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: cortex.physiol.su.oz.au Organization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 29  In <C5nFDG.8En@sdf.lonestar.org> marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco) writes:  >> >>And to add further fuel to the flame war, I read about 20 years ago that >>the "natural" MSG - extracted from the sources you mention above - does not >>cause the reported aftereffects; it's only that nasty "artificial" MSG - >>extracted from coal tar or whatever - that causes Chinese Restaurant >>Syndrome.  I find this pretty hard to believe; has anyone else heard it?  MSG is mono sodium glutamate, a fairly straight forward compound. If it is pure, the source should not be a problem. Your comment suggests that  impurities may be the cause. My experience of MSG effects (as part of a double blind study) was that the pure stuff caused me some rather severe effects.  >I was under the (possibly incorrect) assumption that most of the MSG on >our foods was made from processing sugar beets. Is this not true? Are  >there other sources of MSG?  Soya bean, fermented cheeses, mushrooms all contain MSG.   >I am one of those folx who react, sometimes strongly, to MSG. However, >I also react strongly to sodium chloride (table salt) in excess. Each >causes different symptoms except for the common one of rapid heartbeat >and an uncomfortable feeling of pressure in my chest, upper left quadrant.  The symptoms I had were numbness of jaw muscles in the first instance followed by the arms then the legs, headache, lethargy and unable to keep awake. I think it may well affect people differently.
From: schaerer@isi.ethz.ch (Thomas Schaerer) Subject: Re: Voltage regulation and current limiting Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 21  Andy Collins (acollins@uclink.berkeley.edu) wrote: : One not-so-quick question to throw out there for you guys...  : For our class project, we need to design and build a power supply : to the following specs:  : Voltatge:  adjustable from 1-12V : Current:   *limited* at 1A  : Voltage must stay within 2% of designated value for I from 0-1A : AC ripple less than 5 mV (rms)  To decide which kind of circuit you must know the initialprecission of the limiter-current and the allowed temp-drift.  In the first case, you can use a Ube of a transistor as a voltage-reference of about 0.7 VDC with a temp-drift of 2mV/K. In the second case its better you use a bandgap-ref and a opamp-circuit to detect the maximum-current. The output of this opamp controlls the outputstage to limit the current.  Bye Thomas
From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. Lines: 155  I wrote in response to dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe):  >[It's not clear how much more needs to be said other than the FAQ.  I >think Paul's comments on esteeming one day over another (Rom 14) is >probably all that needs to be said.  Was Paul a God too? Is an interpretation of the words of Paul of higher priority than the direct word of Jesus in Matt5:14-19? Paul begins Romans 14 with "If someone is weak in the faith ..." Do you count yourself as one who is weak in the faith?  >I accept that Darius is doing >what he does in honor of the Lord.  I just wish he might equally >accept that those who "esteem all days alike" are similarly doing >their best to honor the Lord.  Yes, but what does the Bible have to say? What did Jesus say? Paul closes Romans 14 with, "On the other hand, the person with doubts about something who eats it anyway is guilty, because he isn't acting on his faith, and any failure to act on faith is a sin." Gaus, ISBN:0-933999-99-2 Have you read the Ten Commandments which are a portion of the Law? Have you read Jesus' word in Matt5:14-19? Is there any doubt in your mind about what is right and what is sin (Greek hamartia = missing the mark)?  >However I'd like to be clear that I do not think there's unambiguous >proof that regular Christian worship was on the first day.  As I >indicated, there are responses on both of the passages cited.  Whereas, the Ten Commandments and Jesus' words in Matt5:14-19 are fairly clear, are they not?  >The difficulty with both of these passages is that they are actually >about something else.  They both look like they are talking about >nnregular Christian meetings, but neither explicitly says "and they >gathered every Sunday for worship".  We get various pieces of >information, but nothing aimed at answering this question.    Matt5:14-19 doesn't answer your question?  >what day Christians met in their houses.  Acts 20:7, despite Darius' >confusion, is described by Acts as occuring on Sunday.  ... It doesn't >say they gathered to >see Paul off, but that when they were gathered for breaking bread,  Breaking bread - roughly synonymous with eating.  >So I think the most obvious reading of this is that "on the first day >of every week" simply means every time they gather for worship.    How do you unite this concept of yours with the Ten Commandments and Jesus's word in Matt5:14-19?  >I think the reason we have only implications and not clear statements >is that the NT authors assumed that their readers knew when Christian >worship was. >--clh]  Or, they assumed that the Ten Commandments and Jesus' word in Matt5:14-19 actually stood for something? Perhaps they were "strong in the faith?"  ---------------------------  [No, I don't believe that Paul can overrule God.  However Paul was writing for a largely Gentile audience.  The Law was regarded by Jews at the time (and now) as binding on Jews, but not on Gentiles.  There are rules that were binding on all human beings (the so-called Noachic laws), but they are quite minimal.  The issue that the Church had to face after Jesus' death was what to do about Gentiles who wanted to follow Christ.  The decision not to impose the Law on them didn't say that the Law was abolished.  It simply acknowledged that fact that it didn't apply to Gentiles.  Thus there is no contradiction with Mat 5. As far as I can tell, both Paul and other Jewish Christians did continue to participate in Jewish worship on the Sabbath.  Thus they continued to obey the Law.  The issue was (and is) with Gentile Christians, who are not covered by the Law (or at least not by the ceremonial aspects of it).  Jesus dealt mostly with Jews.  I think we can reasonably assume that Mat 5 was directed to a Jewish audience.  He did interact with Gentiles a few times (e.g. the centurion whose slave was healed and a couple of others).  The terms used to describe the centurion (see Luke 7) suggest that he was a "God-fearer", i.e. a Gentile who followed God, but had not adopted the whole Jewish Law.  He was commended by Jewish elders as a worthy person, and Jesus accepted him as such. This seems to me to indicate that Jesus accepted the prevailing view that Gentiles need not accept the Law.  However there's more involved if you want to compare Jesus and Paul on the Law.  In order to get a full picture of the role of the Law, we have to come to grips with Paul's apparent rejection of the Law, and how that relates to Jesus' commendation of the Law.  At least as I read Paul, he says that the Law serves a purpose that has been in a certain sense superceded.  Again, this issue isn't one of the abolition of the Law.  In the middle of his discussion, Paul notes that he might be understood this way, and assures us that that's not what he intends to say.  Rather, he sees the Law as primarily being present to convict people of their sinfulness.  But ultimately it's an impossible standard, and one that has been superceded by Christ. Paul's comments are not the world's clearest here, and not everyone agrees with my reading.  But the interesting thing to notice is that even this radical position does not entail an abolition of the Law. It still remains as an uncompromising standard, from which not an iota or dot may be removed.  For its purpose of convicting of sin, it's important that it not be relaxed.  However for Christians, it's not the end -- ultimately we live in faith, not Law.  While the theoretical categories they use are rather different, in the end I think Jesus and Paul come to a rather similar conclusion.  The quoted passage from Mat 5 should be taken in the context of the rest of the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus shows us how he interprets the Law.  The "not an iota or dot" would suggest a rather literal reading, but in fact that's not Jesus' approach.  Jesus' interpretations emphasize the intent of the Law, and stay away from the ceremonial details.  Indeed he is well known for taking a rather free attitude towards the Sabbath and kosher laws.  Some scholars claim that Mat 5:17-20 needs to be taken in the context of 1st Cent. Jewish discussions.  Jesus accuses his opponents of caring about giving a tenth of even the most minor herbs, but neglecting the things that really matter: justice, mercy and faith, and caring about how cups and plates are cleaned, but not about the fact that inside the people who use them are full of extortion and rapacity.  (Mat 23:23-25) This, and the discussion later in Mat 5, suggest that Jesus has a very specific view of the Law in mind, and that when he talks about maintaining the Law in its full strength, he is thinking of these aspects of it. Paul's conclusion is similar.  While he talks about the Law being superceded, all of the specific examples he gives involve the "ceremonial law", such as circumcision and the Sabbath.  He is quite concerned about maintaining moral standards.  The net result of this is that when Paul talks about the Law being superceded, and Jesus talks about the Law being maintained, I believe they are talking about different aspects of the Law.  Paul is embroiled in arguments about circumcision.  As is natural in letters responding to specific situations, he's looking at the aspect of the Law that is currently causing trouble: the Law as specifically Jewish ceremonies.  He certainly does not intend to abolish divine standards of conduct.  On the other hand, when Jesus commends the Law, he seems to be talking the Law in its broadest implications for morals and human relationships, and deemphasizing those aspects that were later to give Paul so much trouble.  It's unfortunate that people use the same terms in different ways, but we should be familiar with that from current conflicts.  Look at the way terms like "family values" take on special meaning from the current context.  Imagine some poor historian of the future trying to figure out why "family values" should be used as a code word for opposition to homosexuality in one specific period in the U.S.  I think Law had taken on a similar role in the arguments Paul was involved in.  Paul was clearly not rejecting all of the Jewish values that go along with the term "Law", any more than people who concerned about the "family values" movement are really opposed to family values.  --clh]
From: mjp@watson.ibm.com (Michael Phelps) Subject: Re: Need Senate Bill numbers and House Resolution numbers Originator: mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com Reply-To: mjp@vnet.ibm.com (Michael J. Phelps) Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. Nntp-Posting-Host: bwa.kgn.ibm.com Organization: IBM Kingston NY Lines: 1835   Try the firearms archive.  Larry Cipriani's instructions follow.  By the way, thanks for the archive Larry..  This year is the 103rd congress directory.  ---------------------------- From watson!yktnews.watson.ibm.com!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!news.ans.net!howland.r reston.ans.net!bogus.sura.net!darwin.sura.net!dtix.dt.navy.mil!mimsy!cbvox1. .att.com!lvc Thu Apr  8 19:41:01 1993 Article: 40039 of talk.politics.guns Path: watson!yktnews.watson.ibm.com!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!news.ans.net!howland.r reston.ans.net!bogus.sura.net!darwin.sura.net!dtix.dt.navy.mil!mimsy!cbvox1. .att.com!lvc From: lvc@cbvox1.att.com Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns Subject: Information about the anonymous ftp RKBA archive Message-ID: <1993Apr8.182924.7274@cbnews.cb.att.com> Date: 8 Apr 93 22:50:09 GMT Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. Lines: 1795  This is the INDEX file for the anonymous ftp RKBA archive. The archive site has been moved and is now at:  	godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu 	 in the directory  	/usr0/anon/pub/firearms/politics/rkba  This archive is accessible only via anonymous ftp; instructions for anonymous ftp are at the end of this file.  An email server is available at another site, and as a result is not completely in sync with this archive.  To get the index for the rkba email-server send:  	get rkba index  as the body of a message to listserv@mainstream.com  For help send:  	help  If you have any additions or suggestions for improvement to the RKBA archive please let me know. -- Larry Cipriani, att!cbvox1!lvc or l.v.cipriani@att.com  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: rkba82  Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, Ninety-seventh Congress, Second Session, February, 1982 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HCR11  House Concurrent Resolution 11 by Mr. Crane, January 3, 1991  Expressing the sense of the Congress with respect to the right of all Americans to keep and bear arms in defense of life or liberty and in pursuit of all other legitimate endeavors. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HJR438  House Joint Resolution 438 by Mr. Major Owens, March 11, 1992  Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States repealing the Second Amendment to the Constitution; includes comments by Owens entered into the Congressional Record. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR1133  House Bill 1133 by Mr. Goodling, February 27, 1991  To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit transfer of firearm to, or possession of a firearm by, a person convicted of a drug crime, and to provide enhanced penalties for possession of a firearm during a drug crime. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR1354  House Bill 1354 by Mr. Scheuer, March 7, 1991  To end the use of steel jaw leghold traps on animals in the United States. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR1412  House Bill 1412 by Mr. Staggers, March 13, 1991  To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide for the establishment of a national hotline which a Federal Firearms licensee may contact to learn if receipt of a handgun by a prospective transferee is prohibited, and to require such a licensee to contact the hotline before the transfer of a handgun to a nonlicensee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR1559  House Bill 1559 by Mr. Gibbons, March 21, 1991  To prohibit the importation of semiautomatic assault weapons, large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and certain accessories. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR1770  House Bill 1770 by Mr. Smith of Florida, April 15, 1991  To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit certain handguns which are unsuitable for lawful sporting purposes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR19  House Bill 19 by Mr. Hughes January 3, 1991  To prohibit the possession, transfer, and certain exports of restricted weapons, the manufacture of firearms capable of accepting a silencer or bayonet without alteration, and the possession and transfer of large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and for other purposes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR282  House Bill 282 by Mrs. Collins, January 3, 1991  To provide for the mandatory registration of handguns. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR2922  House Bill 2922 by Mr. Cardin, July 17, 1991  To amend the Public Health Service Act to establish an entitlement of States and certain political subdivisions of States to receive grants for the abatement of health hazards associated with lead-based paint, and to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to impose an excise tax and establish a trust fund to satisfy the Federal obligations arising from such entitlement.  [This bill would impose upto a $0.75/pound tax on all new lead, and $0.37/pound tax on recycled lead.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR318  House Bill 318 by Mr. Dornan, January 3, 1991  To amend the Animal Welfare Act to prohibit dog racing and dog training involving the use of live animals as visual lure and to make such Act applicable to facilities that are used for dog racing or dog race training. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR3371  House Bill 3371 			 "The Violent Crime Prevention Act of 1991" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR371  House Bill 371 by Mr. Marlenee, January 3, 1991  To protect persons engaged in a lawful hunt within a national forest; establishing an administrative civil remedy against individuals or groups intentionally obstructing, impeding, or interfering with the conduct of a lawful hunt; and for other purposes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/101st/HR4079  House Bill 4079 by Mr. Gingrich, February 22, 1990  To provide swift and certain punishment for criminals in order to deter violent crime and rid America of illegal drug use. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR436  House Bill 436 by Mr. Weiss, January 3, 1991  To prohibit the manufacture, transfer, or importation of .25 caliber and .32 caliber ammunition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR465  House Bill 465 by Mr. Rangel, January 7, 1991  To prohibit certain exports of fully automatic or semiautomatic assault weapons. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR4897  House Bill 4897 by Mr. Cunningham, April 9, 1992  To amend title I of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 to deny grant funds to States unless law enforcement officers are permitted to carry concealed firearms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR5633  House Bill 5633 by Mr. Schumer, July 21, 1992  To amend title 18, United States Code, to expand the scope of the multiple firearms sales reporting requirement, and to require that persons comply with State and local firearms licensing laws before receiving a Federal license to deal in firearms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR5807  House Bill 5807 by Mr. Schumer, August 10, 1992  To impose criminal penalties upon the failure of a Federal firearms licensee to report to appropriate authorities the loss or theft of a firearm from the inventory or collection of the licensee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR7  House Bill 7 by Mr. Feighan  To require a waiting period before the purchase of a handgun; also known as "The Brady Bill" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/HR750  House Bill 750 by Mr. Russo, January 30, 1991  To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1954 to provide that the excise tax on handguns will be transferred to a trust fund to be used for purposes of providing compensation to victims of crime, and for other purposes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S214  Senate Bill 214 by Mr. Hatch, January 15, 1991  To provide procedures for calling Federal constitutional  conventions under article V for the purpose of proposing  amendments to the United States Constitution. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S2304  Senate Bill 2304 by Mr. Lautenberg, March 3, 1992  To amend title 18, United States Code, to permanently prohibit the possession of firearms by persons who have been convicted of a violent felony, and for other purposes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S257  Senate Bill 257  To require a waiting period before the purchase of a handgun. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S2813  Senate Bill 2813 by Mr. Gore, June 4, 1992  To establish in the Government Printing Office an electronic gateway to provide public access to a wide range of Federal databases containing public information stored electronically. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S2913  Senate Bill 2913 by Mr. Chafee, June 30 1992  To prohibit the manufacture, importation, exportation, sale, purchase, transfer, receipt, possession, or transportation of handguns and ammunition, with certain exceptions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S3282  Senate Bill 3282 by Mr. Mitchell, September 28 1992  To amend title 18, United States Code, to require a waiting period before the purchase of a handgun. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/101st/S386  Senate Bill 386 by Mr. Metzenbaum, February 8, 1989  To control the sale and use of assault weapons.                 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S51  Senate Bill 51 by Mr. Moynihan, January 14, 1991  To prohibit the manufacture, transfer, or importation of .25 caliber and .32 caliber and 9 millimeter ammunition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S634  Senate Bill 634 by Mr. Symms, March 13, 1991  To amend chapter 44, title 18, United States Code, to provide clarification of limitations on controls of firearms, and to prohibit the use of Federal funds to political subdivisions which implement certain gun control ordi- nances. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/101st/S747  Senate Bill 747 by Mr. DeConcini,  To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, regarding assault weapons. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S789  Senate Bill 789, by Mr. Moynihan, April 9, 1991  To prohibit the importation of semiautomatic assault weapons, large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and certain accessories. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S892  Senate Bill 892, By Mr. Metzenbaum, April 23, 1991  To amend title 15, United States Code, to authorize the Consumer Product Safety Commission to regulate the risk of injury associated with firearms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/102nd/S918  Senate Bill 918, by Mr. Packwood, April 24, 1991  The amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to exempt small manufacturers, producers, and importers from the firearms excise tax. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/HCR3  House Concurrent Resolution 3, by Mr. Crane, January 5, 1993 Expressing the sense of the Congress with respect to the right of all Americans to keep and bear arms in defense of life or liberty and in the pursuit of all other legitimate endeavors. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/HJR81  House Joint Resolution, by Mr. Owens, January 27, 1993 Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States repealing the Second Amendment to the Constitution. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/HR277  House Bill 277, by Mr. Mazolli, January 5, 1993   To amend title 18, United States Code, to require a waiting period  before the purchase of a handgun.  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/HR544  House Bill 544, by Mr. Torricelli, January 21, 1993  To amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the transfer of 2 or more handguns to an individual in any 30-day period. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/HR661  House Bill 661, by Mrs. Collins, January 27, 1993  To provide for the manufacturer, importer, or dealer of a handgun or an assault weapon to be held strictly liable for damages that result from the use of the handgun or assault weapon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/HR737  House Bill 737, by Mr. REYNOLDS, February 2, 1993  To provide for the manufacturer or importer of a handgun or an assault weapon to be held strictly liable for damages that result from the use of the handgun or assault weapon, and to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to increase the excise tax on firearms and use a portion of the revenues from such tax to assist hospitals in urban areas to provide medical care to gunshot victims who are not covered under any health plan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/HR1025  House Bill 1025, by Mr. Schumer, February 22, 1993  To provide for a waiting period before the purchase of a hadgun, and for the establishment of a national instant criminal background check system to be contacted by firearms dealers before the transfer of any firearm. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/S108  Senate Bill 108, by Mr. Moynihan, January 21, 1993  To prohibit the importation of semiautomatic assault weapons, large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and certain accessories. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/S109  Senate Bill 109, by Mr. Moynihan, January 21, 1993  To amend section 923 of title 18, United States Code, to require the keeping of records with respect to dispositions of ammunition, and to require a study of the use and possible regulation of sales of ammunition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/S178  Senate Bill 178, by Mr. Moynihan, January 21, 1993  To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the manufacture, transfer, or importation of .25 caliber and .32 caliber and 9 millimeter ammunition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/S179  Senate Bill 179, by Mr. Moynihan, January 21, 1993  To tax 9 millimeter, .25 caliber, and .32 caliber bullets. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/S376  Senate Bill 376, by Mr. Lautenberg, February 16, 1993  To prohibit the transfer of 2 or more handguns to an individual in any 30-day period. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress/103rd/S414  Senate Bill 414, by Mr. Metzenbaum, February 24, 1993   To amend title 18, United States Code, to require a waiting period before the purchase of a handgun.  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gun-free-zones  Text of the GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONES ACT OF 1990 from PUBLIC LAW 101-647 NOV. 29, 1990 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: aclu  A collection of articles on the ACLU's position on gun control. Included is ACLU Policy Statement #47 which gives the ACLU interpretation of the Second Amendment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: dcm-info  A collection of articles explaining the Civilian Marksmanship Program. In other words, "Why does the United States Department of Defense sell battle rifles to civilians ? " ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: dial911  "Dial 911 and Die!"  By Aaron Zelman and Jay Simkin of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: fija-info  The Fully Informed Jury Amendment, and what it means to gun owners and the right to keep and bear arms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: whitemanslaw  White Man's Law by William R. Tonso, from the December 1985 Reason magazine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: jefferson  The First Inaugural Address of Thomas Jefferson, 2nd president of the United States. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: jewishistory  Jewish History Rufutes Gun Control Activists, by Elliot Rothenberg from the February 1988 *American Rifleman*. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: law-abiding  The Law-Abiding Gun Owner as Domestic and Acquaintance Murderer from "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution: A Realistic Assessment of Gun Control," by Don B. Kates, February, 1990, pp.45-49. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: second-ideology  "The Second Amendment and the Ideology of Self-Protection" by Don B. Kates, Jr.  Reprinted from CONSTITUTIONAL COMMENTARY, Vol. 9. No. 1. Winter 1992, (c) 1992 by Constitutional Commentary,  Kates puts the Second Amendment and philosophies of self-protection into a historical perspective ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: new-understa  Toward a New Understanding of the Second Amendment, by David T. Hardy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: to-bear-arms  "To Bear Arms for Self Defense: Our Second Amendment Heritage" by Stephen P. Halbrook. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: no-treason  No Treason, The Constitution of No Authority by Lysander Spooner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: resistance  Excerpts from the study "Crime Control Through the Use of Armed Force", by Associate Professor Dr. Gary Kleck, Florida State University School of Criminology, published in the February 1988 issue of SOCIAL PROBLEMS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: waitper-qna  Waiting Period -- Questions and Answers by Handgun Control, Inc. (HCI) and Citizens for Safe Government (CSG) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: warsaw  "The Warsaw Ghetto; 10 Handguns Against Tyranny", by Dr. David I Caplan from February, 1988 American Rifleman. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: wethepeople  Supreme Court interpretations of the Second Amendment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: sc-ftp  How to retreive Supreme Court decisions via anonymous ftp. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: alternative-policy  ALTERNATIVE POLICY FUTURES by Franklin E. Zimring from THE ANNALS OF THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF POLITICAL AND SOCIAL SCIENCE. Volume 455, May 1981; published by The American Academy of Political and Social Science; 1981. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: embarassing.2nd.amendment  The Embarassing Second Amendment by Sanford Levinson, Yale Law Journal Volume 99, pp 637-659 (1989) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nra800  Phone numbers for the NRA, many are toll-free 800 numbers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nradrugs  A collection of articles on the NRA's position on the War on Drugs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: fl-aw-part1  Florida A.W. Commission - Exec Summary Part 1, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: fl-aw-part2  Florida A.W. Commission - Exec Summary Part 2, STOCKTON -- THE FACTS  by Martin L. Fackler, MD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: iwba  Information about the International Wound Ballistics Association, Martin Fackler, president ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gunshyjudges  Gun-Shy Judges by Jacob Sullum, from the May 1991 issue of Reason Magazine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: heatofmoment  In the Heat of the Moment, By James D. Wright ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: racist-soil  Article "Gun Control Sprouts from Racist Soil." by Roy Innis, from the Wall Street Journal 11/21/91 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: core-policy  "Bearing Arms for Self-Defense -- A Human and Civil Right" by Roy Innis, National Chairman, Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: righttobear  The Right to Bear Arms By Sanford Levinson from the Daily News, Ft Walton Beach, FL.  (1991) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: rock-island  United States of America v. Rock Island Armory, US District Court for the Central District of IL; the court ruled that making a post '86 machine gun is not illegal -- believe it or not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: dalton  United States of America v. John William Dalton, US Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit, 91-1149; the court ruled that owning or transferring a post '86 machine gun is not punishable under the NFA -- believe it or not. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: waitdanger  Why Gun Waiting Periods Threaten Public Safety By David B. Kopel, March 25, 1991 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: aw-qna  Assault Weapon Questions & Answers by Handgun Control, Inc. and Citizens for Safe Government (CSG) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: ccw-survey  A state by state survey of Carrying Concealed Weapons laws. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: us-vs-miller  United States vs. Miller et al., Appeal from the District Court of the United States for the Western District of Arkansas.  Argued March 30, 1939 -- Decided May 15, 1939 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: presser  The history of Presser v Illinois is a fascinating exercise of how politically based decisions on our Constitutional rights have come back to haunt us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: cia-ncbh  A column by Neal Knox presenting evidence that former CIA agent Edwin O. Welles played a major role in founding HCI and NCBH. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: conphone  A list of voice and fax phone number for representatives and senators. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: billofrights  The first 10 articles of amendment to the United States Constitution. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: constitution  The Constitution of the United States of America ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: decl-of-indp  The Declaration of Independence ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: dont-wait  "Criminals Don't Wait -- Why Should You ?" from the NRA.  Exposes the fraudulent arguments made for waiting periods. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: external  Positive Externalities of Gun Ownership, by John Kell, from "The Freeman: Ideas on Liberty, October 1991 " ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: english-hist  Firearms Legislation in Great Britain, by Jan A. Stevenson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: simkin  "Control Criminals, Not Guns" by Jay Edward Simkin found in the March, 25 1991 [or '92?] Wall Street Journal: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: unabridged  The Unabridged Second Amendment, by J. Neil Schulman  An interview with Roy Copperud, retired professor of journalism at USC and author of "American Usage and Style: The Consensus".  Copperud offers his professional opinion on the meaning of the Second Amendment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: uzitruth  A letter from J. Harper Wilson, Director FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Program to Paul H. Blackman, Research Coordinator of the NRA stating that only one police officer, of Puerto Rico, was shot and killed with a semi-automatic 9mm Model A Uzi. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: maketheirday  "How to Make Their Day" by Don B. Kates Jr. and Patricia Terrell Harris in the National Review, October 21, 1991  Kates and Harris debunk several myths about firearms, criminals, and violence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: two-myths  Two myths of gun control from "Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America" by Gary Kleck. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: aw-not-problem  "Assault Weapons Aren't the Problem", by Gary Kleck, published in The New York Times Tuesday, September 1, 1992 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: oregon-study  1990 Oregon Study of Retail Firearm Sales and CHL Licensing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: children  Fighting for Children's Hearts and Minds by Robert Pew, American Rifleman - April 1992  Discusses how HCI and it's Center to Prevent Handgun Violence have set out to use public schools as forums for their anti-gun propaganda. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gunssputter  "Guns and Sputter" by James D. Wright, from July 1989 issue of REASON. Wright exposes the flaws in the New England Journal of Medicine study comparing the homicide rates of Seattle and Vancouver. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nejm-info  A collection of articles and information on the New England Journal of Medicine Vancouver/Seattle handgun crime comparison study.  See also the file gunssputter, authored by James Wright. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: dcstudy.1  The New England Journal of Medicine. 1991 Dec 5. 325 (23). pp 1647-1650. Editorials: Firearms And The Killing Threshold. Kassirer-Jerome-P. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: dcstudy.2  The New England Journal of Medicine. 1991 Dec 5. 325 (23). pp 1615-1620. Special Article: Effects Of Restrictive Licensing Of Handguns On Homicide And Suicide In The District Of Columbia. Loftin-Colin.  McDowall-David.  Wiersema-Brian.  Cottey-Talbert-J. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nejm-editorial  The New England Journal of Medicine. 1988 Nov 10. 319 (19). pp 1283-1285. Editorial: Firearm Injuries: A Call For Science. Mercy-James-A. Houk-Vernon-N. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nejm-letters  The New England Journal of Medicine. 1989 May 4. 320 (18). pp 1214-1217. Correspondence: Handgun Regulations, Crime, Assaults, And Homicide: A Tale Of Two Cities. Blackman-Paul-H. Hagen-Tim.  Morris-David-C. Stolinsky-David-C. Tirer-Samuel.  Gryder-John-W. Kuziak-John-D. Sloan-John-H. Kellerman-Arthur-L-Kellermann. Rivara-Fred-P. Koepsell-Thomas.  Reay-Donald-T. LoGerfo-James-P. Rice-Charles.  Ferris-James-A. Gray-Laurel- A. Mercy-James-A. Houk-Vernon-N. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: suicide.1  The New England Journal of Medicine. 1990 Feb 8. 322 (6). pp 369-373. Special Article: Firearm Regulations And Rates Of Suicide: A Comparison of Two Metropolitan Areas. Sloan-John-Henry.  Rivara-Frederick-P. Reay-Donald-T. Ferris-James-A-J. Kellermann-Arthur-L. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: suicide.2  The New England Journal of Medicine. 1990 Jul 12. 323 (2). p 137. Correspondence: Firearm Regulations and Rates of Suicide. Blackman-Paul-H. Sloan-John-Henry.  Rivara-Frederick-P. Kellermann-Arthur. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: totc  The New England Journal of Medicine. 1988 Nov 10. 319 (19). pp 1256-1262. Special Article: Handgun Regulations, Crime, Assaults, And Homicide: A Tale of Two Cities. Sloan-John-Henry.  Kellermann-Arthur-L. Reay-Donald-T. Ferris-James-A. Koepsell-Thomas.  Rivara-Frederick-P. Rice-Charles.  Gray-Laurel.  LoGerfo-James. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nra.cdc  An open letter from Paul H. Blackman, of NRA to the Director, Office of Scientific Integrity Review, U.S. Public Health Service, detailing why they should evaluate the integrity and competency of firearms research conducted by and for the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.000  What the RKBA.nnn files are all about.  The RKBA.nnn series are set of small (60-100 lines typically) postings that address common questions and myths about all aspects of firearms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.001  Accidental deaths by firearms and by other means. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FILE: RKBA.002  Declining trend of accidental deaths by firearms ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.003  Homicide per capita in the US ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.004  Children and firearms ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.008  Annual firearm manufacture in the United States ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.010  Declaration of Independence ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.013  Trend in weapons use for robberies (1974-86) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.014  Reasons for homicide and non-negligent manslaughter ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.015  Are firearms a leading cause of death of children? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.016  Is the United States the most violent nation? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: RKBA.999  Complete list of all sources used for the RKBA.nnn series. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: cox-study  Analysis of the Cox Atlanta Journal Constitution, 21 May 1989 article on Assault Weapons, by James J. Baker of NRA-ILA, before the Select Committee on Narcotics Abuse and Control, U.S. House of Representatives. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: feder11.txt  The Federalist Papers, as transcribed by Project Gutenberg 1.1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: great-quotes  Thomas Jefferson quotes and more ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: civilian  Civilian Possession of Military Firearms, by Richard A. I. Munday, from the January/February 1988 issue of the UK Handgunner. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: good-go-bad  "When Good, Law-Abiding Citizens Go Bad", from UK Handgunner No. 46 Jan-Feb 1989.  Discusses how the rate of compliance of gun control laws is always very low, even among otherwise law abiding citizens.  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: tory-national-socialism   "Tory National Socialism", by Richard A.I. Munday, UK Handgunner, Jul-Aug 86.  Discusses the gun control leanings of socialists of the right. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: the-big-lie  " Gun Grabbers vs. Assault Rifles: The Big Lie" by Neal Knox,  Semi-auto military-styled "assault" rifles are not now nor have they ever been a threat to society. These facts have been determined by the government - but never released to the public! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: ff-47  "The Founding Fathers and the AK-47", by Sue Wimmershoff-Caplan Discuss the question if the Founding Fathers would have approved of the AK-47 for civilian ownership. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hcikkk  "Handgun Control, Inc., & the KKK" by David Kopel, from the Oct 91 issue of Gun World magazine.  Discusses the parallels in the hate campaigns of the Ku Klux Klan and Handgun Control, Inc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: rkba-orgs  A list of organizations devoted to the preservation of the Second Amendment. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: victoria  "The Gun Law Handbook" for the state of Victoria, Australia (Oct 1988). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nra-purposes  A summary of the NRA's purposes and objectives, and positions on some gun control issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: ktw  A collection of articles relating to teflon coated, armor piercing bullets. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: thompsoncenter  The Supreme Court decision in the case:  United States of America v. Thompson/Center Arms Co. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: DMN_Gratia_CCP  "Concealed weapons can prevent tragedies like Killeen's" by Dr. Suzanna Gratia in the Dallas Morning News, Sunday April 29th, 1992 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: Knox_AW_lies  Neal Knox on how military style semi-auto's are not a threat to public safety, how they are not fundamentally different than ordinary hunting weapons, and how the gun grabbers are exploiting the bad image this class of weapons has to enact further gun control. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: WSJ_Crimestrik  "The NRA Mounts a Militant Campaign Taking Aim at Criminal-Justice System" by Alix M. Freedman staff reporter of The Wall Street Journal. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: med-media  "Gun Prohibition in the Medical Literature - Telling the Truth?" by Edgar A. Suter, MD ; discusses anti-gun bias in medical journals. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: toy-guns  "Court Psychologist Says Toy Guns Are Good For Children" from Gun Week, 1989.   Glen David Skoler, court psychologist for the Arlington County, VA, claims "toys of violence" -- including toy guns are, in fact, good for children. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: awca89-appeal  Text of the 9th Circuit court of Appeals in the Fresno Rifle and Pistol Club challenge to California's Roberti-Roos Assault Weapon Control Act of 1989. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: lp92-rkba  The right to keep and bear arms plank of the 1992 National Platform of the Libertarian Party.  And a reproduction of the Libertarian Party brochure "Responsible Gun Ownership: Equal Rights for America's Gun Owners"  The entire 1992 National Platform of the LP is available via anonymous ftp on think.com in the file /pub/libernet/LP/libertarian-platform-1992 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: let-july91  An article from the July/August 1991 issue of Law Enforcement Technology with a survey of police officers on their views of gun control. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nacp-poll  A study conducted by the National Association of the Chiefs of Police (NACP) through its American Law Enforcement Survey for 1989, in which 16,259 chiefs of police, sheriffs and law-enforcement command personnel were polled with a list of 30 questions, it was determined the overwhelming majority of officers support the right of private arms ownership, and agreed that gun bans had little effect on crime. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hci-advert  A example of the propaganda used by HCI in soliciting contributions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hci-transcript  A transcription of the HCI video tape "America Needs a National Handgun Control Policy" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gartner  Michael Gartner, president of NBC News, calls for a ban on handguns in this USA TODAY Thursday January 16th 1992 editorial. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nra-lp  A resolution passed by the voting membership of the NRA at its national convention in Anaheim, CA stating the NRA will support third party candidates. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: cooley  Thomas M. Cooley, LL.D., General Principles of Constitutional Law in the United States of America, 298-299 (3rd ed. 1898), a leading  constitutional commentator discussed the rights protected by the Second Amendment: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: kilpatrick  "Gun Law Might Curb Rising Murder Rate" by James Kilpatrick, St. Louis Post-Dispatch Tuesday June 23, 1992.  Kilpatrick expresses support for a national firearms law as proposed by C. Everett Koop, that is, a requirement that gun owners pass a competency test, among other things. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: vanity-fair  A summary of the 10 page article on Jim and Sarah Brady which appeared in the January '91 issue of Vanity Fair Magazine.  Question: "Was it true you wanted to get a gun to protect 	yourself against Hinckley?"  Answer Jim brady: "I had a gun" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: goldwin  "Gun Control Is Constitutional," by Robert A. Goldwin from the Wall Street Journal edtorial page, Thrusday, December 12, 1991 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: anniston  Two articles on a murder averted in Anniston, Alabama by a man with a CCW permit.  The importance of this event is that it closely followed the murders by Hennard in Texas, but the media did not cover Anniston. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: staggers-brady  A survey of public support for the Staggers Instant Background Check and the Brady Waiting Period.  The basic finding is that once the public understands the advantages of the instant background check vs. the problems with the Brady waiting period support for the Brady waiting period diminishes greatly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: brady-vote  How Congress voted on the Staggers Instant Background Check and the Brady Waiting period. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: vs-vote  How Congress voted on the Volkmer-Sensenbrenner Amendment to strike the new gun control sections from the administration crime bill. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: dc-vote  How the U.S. Senate voted on S. 2113, the repeal of the District of Columbia's anti-gun strict liability law. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: covey  "Gun Control: Trying the Facts,  Weighing the Values" A monograph based on "Crime, Inequality, Guns, & Equity" by Preston K. Covey, Ph.D., Director Center for the Advancement of Applied Ethics, Carnegie Mellon University.  Addresses the desirability of gun bans: ethical aspects, equity issues, and other values at stake in the management of mortal risks, deadly force and its instruments.   ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: assays-of-bias  "Assays of Bias on the Second Amendment: The Media Elite" by Preston K. Covey, Director Center for the Advancement of Applied Ethics [excerpts from a longer monograph] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: cleveland  A critique of:  ACCIDENTAL FIREARM FATALITIES IN A METROPOLITAN COUNTY (1958-1973) Rushforth, Hirsch, Ford, and Adelson American Journal of Epidemiology #100, 1974, pp. 499-505.   This is THE study that lies at the heart of the gun control claim that owning a firearm for self-defense is too dangerous. The claims that a defensive gun is X (=6 in this study) times more likely to be used against an innocent person than in lawful self-defense originated with this report in 1974.  by Robert I. Kesten ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: tiananmen-lessons  "LESSONS FROM TIANANMEN SQUARE" by Neal Knox reprinted from Guns & Ammo, September 1989  Why the Second Amendment is so important, even in todays more "progressive" era.  Included is a description of the 1932 Bonus March in Washington, DC in which Gen. Douglas MacArthur opposed unemployed WWI veterans lobbying for the government to immediately pay their promised Veteran's Bonus. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: forward-trace  "California FFL Dealer Defies "Forward Trace"" by Neal Talbot in The New Gun Week, March 1, 1991.  Details how the BATF bullies FFL holders into giving BATF copies of 4473's in violation of federal law. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: justice-stats  "Handgun Crime Victims", by Michael R. Rand, Bureau of Justice Statistics Statistician, U.S. Department of Justice.  This Bureau of Justice Statistics Special Report describes the key findings from an analysis of handgun crimes reported in the National Crime Survey for 1979-87.  It describes the victims of hand-gun [sic] crime, how the handgun was used during the crime, and the nature and extent of handgun crime injury.  It also provides information on handgun offenders, the location of handgun crimes, and whether the crime was reported to the police. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: chafee  Included are:  1) Transcript of press conference with Senator John Chafee, and former Supreme Court justice Warren Burger on S. 2913, Chafee's, handgun ban. Also speaking was Vernon Jordan, former member of the Jimmy Carter White House; Mayor Sharon Pratt Kelly; Michael Beard of National Coalition to Stop Gun Violence; Michael Casserly (executive director, Council of the Great City Schools); Dr. Carden Johnston representing the American Academy of Pediatrics;  2) An article by Neal Knox in which he describes how Sarah Brady kicked out HCI president Charles Orasin because of a disagreement on Chafee's handgun ban.  3) An article on Burger's support for S. 2913.  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: alarmist-view  "Gun Registration: An 'Alarmist' View" by Jon vanWormer; reprinted from the December 1985 Guns & Ammo.  How an rkba moderate became a radical. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: fackler-papers  A list of articles by "Col. Martin L. Fackler, M.D., F.A.C.S." Wound Ballistics Lab, and where to write for copies of them. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gun-war  "THE GREAT AMERICAN GUN WAR" by Barry Bruce-Briggs, _The_Public_Interest_  No. 45, Fall 1976, pp 37-62 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: george-will  "Repeal Second Amendment and Save Lives", by George Will ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: reeves  "Drastic Steps to End the War at Home" by Richard Reeves, no date nor publication available; placed in rkba archive 9/2/92  "Studies _Prove_ Gun Control Works" by Richard Reeves, from the Kansas City Star, 9/28/92. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: canada-ban-list  A reproduction of a brochure from the Canadian Department of Justice listing newly prohibited and restricted firearms (as of June 1992).  Also included is the "point system" used to determine if a firearm should be reviewed for possible banning. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: copkiller  Lyrics to the rock song "Cop Killer" by Ice-T on the album Body Count. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: cva.1  A letter from the California Voters Alliance, asking for support in their effort to defeat anti-gun California Assemblyman Terry Friedman, co-author of California's waiting period law for rifles and shotguns.  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: astrology  "CRIMINOLOGY'S ASTROLOGY: The CDC Approach to Public Health Research on Firearms and Violence" by PAUL H. BLACKMAN, Ph.D., Institute for Legislative Action, National Rifle Association, 1990  A paper presented at the annual meetings of the American Society of Criminology, Baltimore, Maryland, November 7-10 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: aw-panic  The Assault Weapon Panic: "Political Correctness" Takes Aim, at the Constitution, by Eric Morgan and David Kopel  Published by The Independence Institute, October 10, 1991 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: state-rkba  A collection of RKBA provisions from State constitutions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: too-late  Chapter 13 "But then it was too Late" of "THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE FREE: The Germans, 1933 - 1945", by: Milton Mayer, University of Chicago Press ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: militia-code  The legal definition of the militia of the United States of America taken from:  United Stated Code (USC), TITLE 10, Section 311 and Section 312. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: legal-mg-crime  Report No. 32 of the Firearms Coalition of Silver Spring, MD. 11/29/89 by Neal Knox.  Knox reports that a legally registered machine gun was used in a drug hit.  Subsequent reports said charges were dropped for lack of evidence. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hci-cash  HCI donation records to US Senators and Congressmen. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: paulreverenet  Information about the "Paul Revere Net", a network of 2nd Amendment Bulletin Boards  The Paul Revere Network (PRN) is a coast-to-coast network of committed grass-roots gun rights activists who rely upon computer bulletin board systems for their primary mode of communication. Leroy Pyle (NRA Director and 27-year San Jose police veteran) is Founder and Director of the PRN.  Based in San Jose, CA, Pyle's BBS (1:143/223) currently hubs all network message traffic. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gun-talk  Information about the NRA-ILA Bulletin Board "Gun Talk" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congressgrades  A grading of congressmen based their votes on 1) the Brady Bill (HR7), 2) Staggers (HR1412) and 3) the Volkmer-Sensenbrenner amendment to strike the anti-gun provisions from the house crime bill (HR3371). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: lawmaster  "FEDS TRASH LAW-ABIDING GUN OWNER'S HOME", NRA official journal March 1992, by Richard E. Gardiner.  Details how the BATF raided the home of Johnny Lawmaster in search of a non-existent unregistered M-16 auto-sear. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: point-blank  The concluding chapter to "Point Blank" by Gary Kleck. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: purdy-rapsheet  Patrick Purdy's criminal record. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: progundocs  Statement of purpose and contact information for "Doctors for Integrity in Research & Public Policy" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: orlando  A summary of the effects of the highly publicized Orlando training program in which over 6000 women were trained in basic pistol marksmanship and the law of self-defense. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: form4signoff  A letter from Wayne Miller, Chief National Firearms Act Branch of BATF stating that local law enforcement signoff on the ATF Form 4, application for Taxpaid Transfer and Registration of Firearm [i.e., machine gun], is completely discretionary. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: badlands.txt  New Zealand Firearms Control by Robert Badlands.  A paper presented at a conference on Gun Control held at Melbourne University-Union Theatre 27-28 August 1988.  The conference was sponsored by the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: danto.txt  Issues Regarding Gun Control in America by Bruce L. Danto  A paper was presented at a conference on Gun Control held at Melbourne University-Union Theatre 27-28 August 1988.  The conference was sponsored by the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: fine.txt  Impediments to the Purposeful Reform of (Australian) Firearms Laws by J. D. Fine  A paper presented at a conference on Gun Control held at Melbourne University-Union Theatre 27-28 August 1988.  The conference was sponsored by the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: greenwd.txt  Untitled paper by Colin Greenwood  A paper presented at a conference on Gun Control held at Melbourne University-Union Theatre 27-28 August 1988.  The conference was sponsored by the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: kates.txt  Gun Control: Recent Research on the American Experience by Don B. Kates, Jr.  A paper presented at a conference on Gun Control held at Melbourne University-Union Theatre 27-28 August 1988.  The conference was sponsored by the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: marsden.txt  Gun Control: A Banker's Perspective, by ??? Marsden  A paper presented at a conference on Gun Control held at Melbourne University-Union Theatre 27-28 August 1988.  The conference was sponsored by the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia.  Note, this paper is almost impossible to read currently as the original would not scan well.  A more readable copy will be supplied later. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: backdoor  Back Door Gun Control by Peter Alan Kasler from the January 1993 issue of American Survival Guide magazine.  Kasler discusses four examples of innocent people whose firearms are confiscated, and/or charged with a crime when none was committed, as examples of how gun control is implemented in the real world. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: armed-citizen  "The Armed Citizen" feature from "The American Rifleman" and "The American Hunter"; these stories show how firearms are indeed useful for self-defense. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: botsford  The Case Against Gun Control by David Botsford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: academia-bias  "Fighting Anti-Gun Bias in Academia -- an article downloaded from the NRA-ILA BBS "Gun Talk" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: story-of-gun  "The Story of a Gun" by Erik Larson, from "The Atlantic", January 1993. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hcr**  Reports to the Firearms Coalition, by Neal Knox.  All these files are named hcr then two numbers, e.g., hcr51 for "Report No. 51 to the Firearms Coalition" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: whose.txt  "Whose Side Are They On ?"  "Freedom From War: The United States Program For General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World." an official publication of the United States of America government. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nccfa  Contact information for the "National Collegiate Coalition for Firearms Awareness" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: canada  Some facts about Canadian gun control laws, gun ownership and violent crime. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: time-letter  Time magazine's form letter response to criticism of their "Death By Gun" issue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gun-in-school  "Health Objectives for the Nation: Weapon-Carrying Among High School Students -- United States, 1990" edited by David Dodell, D.M.D.  Proposes ways to reduce carrying of firearms by high school students. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: congress-cover  "Congress Covers Itself But Not Public" by Paul Craig Roberts, printed in the Cleveland Plain Dealer October 2nd, 1992. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hamper  "Restrictions hamper law abiding folks, not criminals." by David B. Kopel, printed in the Columbus OH Dispatch, January 16th.  Points out how waiting periods can cause a great deal of harm. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: schumer-gripe  A "Washington Post" letter to the editor by Congessman Charles E. Schumer discussing his bill, H.R. 5633, which requires law enforcement sign-off on FFL applications. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: sof  A UPI article on a lawsuit against "Soldier of Fortune" which forced them out of business.  This article is copyright by UPI, and archived with permission; please respect the re-distribution prohibition. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: fl-stats  A summary of CCW permit statistics for the state of Florida, e.g., the number of permits issued, number revoked, number denied, etc. This proves that people obtaining CCW permits are law abiding citizens and are not wreckless with their firearms. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: knox-on-ruger  "Knox Replies To Comment From Ruger Counsel's" from The New Gun Week, December 1, 1989.  Neal Knox discusses how Sturm, Ruger Inc. are willing to sacrifice the RKBA for the benefit of their business. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: american-blacks  "Gun Control and American Blacks" by Raymond G. Kessler (pp. 476-478)  In the United States, the experience of blacks from slavery  through the 1960's was one of the clearest and best-documented  examples of the political functions of gun control. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nraction*  The NRA-ILAs little known newsletter "NRAction"; names will have the month and year at the end, e.g., nraction0291. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: americamilitia  "America's Militia" by David B. Kopel, appeared in "Gun World" magazine December 1992. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hci93agenda  The "Action Agenda for a National Gun Policy" by HCI. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hci-newsletter  The Handgun Control Semi-Annual Progress Report for December 1992. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hattoripetition  A petition written by the host family of Japanese exchange student Yoshihiro Hattori, who was killed when he went to the wrong home for a Halloween party:  "To protest the easy availability of firearms in the United States"  which will be presented to President Clinton. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hci-election  "What the Election Means for Our Gun Control Movement" by Sarah Brady. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: centerwall  University of Washington Pyschiatrist Dr. Brandon Centerwall writing in the April 1989 American Journal of Epidemiology says that television  exposure is related to half of the homicides in the United States. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: va-outrage  "An Outrage in Virginia" by Neal Knox.  Describes how BATF used a Virginia gun dealer to general strawman sales and then later "traced" those guns back to VA so they could claim 40% of guns they traced came from VA.  When the dealer stopped cooperating they were convicted of conducting strawman sales, one of the owners committed suicide. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: factcard93  The 1993 Firearms Fact Card published by the NRA-ILA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: nejm43  A letter to the editor of the Wall Street Journal by Preston Covey on the factoid "You are 43 times more likely to kill someone you know with a gun than a criminal." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: gifford  An op-ed piece by Dan Gifford which appeared in the March 8 1993 issue of the Cleveland Plain Dealer; it discusses the issue of police abuses and citizen self defense against such abuses. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: reynolds  An editorial "Gun Makers Must Pay the Price" by Mel Reynolds (D-IL), member US House of Representatives, which appeared in the 02/15/93 issue of the Chicago Tribune. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: pozner  "Gun Control" with Vladamir Pozner (yes, the commie) and Phil Donahue from a Feb. 25 1993 broadcast on CNBC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: trustpeople  CATO Institute Policy Analysis No. 109, July 11, 1988 "TRUST THE PEOPLE: THE CASE AGAINST GUN CONTROL," by David B. Kopel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: bitterprice  The British Shooter Pays A Bitter Price, by Keith G. N. Nicholson from the American Rifleman, March 1993. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: batman  "Cartoon Campaign for Gun Control" from the March 8th 1993 issue of "New American" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: batfss  "Waco Shootout Evokes Memory of Warsaw '43" from the Wall Street Journal, Monday, March 15, 1993 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: academics  Contact information for "Academics for the Second Amendment" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: propaganda  Anti-Gun-Ownership Propaganda, by Doan Boal in the March, '92 issue of Survival Guide. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: media-fairness  Media Fairness Action Plan Is Continuing, by James H. Warner, NRA Ass't General Counsel, from American Rifleman, March 1993, page 54.  This describes the FCC's "personal attack" rule and how the NRA may take advantage of this rule against broadcasters who attack the NRA. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: artconf  ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION, Proposed by Congress November 15, 1777, Ratified and effective March 1, 1781 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: pending-bills  A list of the currently pending gun control bills in the US Seante and House of Representatives. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: noduty  Self-Reliance For Self-Defense -- Police Protection Isn't Enough! by Peter Kasler ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: leftout  The Second Amendment: A Right Left Out, by Doctor Linda Karen Miller appearing in The American Rifleman, February 1993, p. 33. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: copsnguns  WHAT COPS SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE GUN ISSUE! by Leroy Pyle, from the May 1992 issue of Guns&Ammo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: crossfire  A transcript of the Wednesday, March 3 1993 edition of the CNN show CROSSFIRE.  The participants are Michael Kinsley, John Sununu, Rep. Charles Schumer (D-NY) Criminal Justice Subcmte., and J.F. = Rep. Jack Fields (R-TX)  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: naziconnection  The WAR ON GUN OWNERSHIP STILL GOES ON! -- GUN CONTROL'S NAZI CONNECTION! by Craig Peterson from the May 1993 issue of Guns & Ammo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: armedcriminal  The Armed Criminal in America, by James Wright, 1986.  A Research in Brief published by the National Institute of Justice. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: bigotry  "BIGOTRY, SYMBOLISM AND IDEOLOGY IN THE BATTLE OVER GUN CONTROL" by Don Kates, from the 1992 "Public Interest Law Review" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: flmurd.ps File: gamurd.ps File: idmurd.ps File: mtmurd.ps File: nodiscr.ps File: ormurd.ps File: pamurd.ps File: philmurd.ps File: utmurd.ps File: vamurd.ps File: wamurd.ps File: wvmurd.ps  CCW laws and murder rates in several states, by Clayton Cramer.  These are all PostScript files and require the use of PostScript printer to print. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: hammer  Marion Hammer on the Failure of Gun Control, downloaded from Gun Talk. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: threechiefs  The views of Police Chiefs Daryl Gates (LA), Lee Brown (NYC), LeRoy Martin (Chicago) on gun control and other civil rights. ----------------------------------------------------------------------  RKBA archive: general information and anonymous ftp instructions.  The moderator of the firearms-politics mailing list, Karl Kleinpaste, has agreed to set up an anonymous ftp archive directory for RKBA related information.  This directory can be used for things like articles by Kates, Wright, Tonso, Levinson, Supreme Court Decisions, the RIA vs US decision, copies of legislation, and so on.  It's not meant to be for the discussions that normally appear here.  So, in the future if you're looking for something check there first and then ask here.  Instructions:  Short version for techies:  The site is godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu.  Place contributions into the directory /usr0/anon/pub/firearms/politics/rkba.  The ftp commands get, put, mget, or mput should work.  Give the command "type binary" to be sure files are transferred correctly.  Your files will be moved to the rkba directory.  To get a file use the commands get or mget.  I will maintain an index which you should get first to check if the file you want to read or write already is archived.  Long version for non-techies:  In order for you to use this archive your computer must be on the Internet.  To connect to the archive site run the command:  	ftp godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu  If that doesn't work you cannot use this archive.  If the ftp command is successful you'll get this prompt asking you for a login: 	Name (godiva.nectar.cs.cmu.edu:lvc):  Instead of lvc your initials will appear.  Answer this prompt with:  	ftp  Next you'll get this prompt asking your for your e-mail address:  	Guest login ok, send e-mail address as password:  I would enter:  	l.v.cipriani@att.com  You'll enter your own e-mail address.  You'll get these lines or similar as output:  	Remote system is UNIX. 	Using binary mode to transfer files.  Next, the command prompt is printed:  	ftp>   If you do not get the line "Using binary mode to transfer files." Run the command:  	type binary  Now you're logged in to the archive machine.  There are many directories on this machine  but the two you are concerned with are  	/usr0/anon/pub/firearms/politics/rkba and 	/usr0/anon/pub/firearms/politics/incoming  There are subdirectories to the rkba directory, those are discussed below.  When you login to the system your directory is /usr0/anon.  To retreive files change your current directory to the rkba directory with the command:  	cd /usr0/anon/pub/firearms/politics/rkba or 	cd pub/firearms/politics/rkba  To submit files change your directory to the incoming directory with the command:  	cd /usr0/anon/pub/firearms/politics/incoming or 	cd pub/firearms/politics/incoming  Once you do this you'll get another ftp> prompt asking you to enter another command.  To find the names of the existing files in the directory you are in run the command:  	ls -l  This will produce something like:  total 6021 -r--r--r--  1 karl          6932 Jun 16  1992 DMN_Gratia_CCP -r--r--r--  1 karl         69149 Apr  5 19:20 INDEX -r--r--r--  1 karl         18965 Jun 16  1992 Knox_AW_lies -r--r--r--  1 karl         10930 Apr 30  1992 S361 -r--r--r--  1 karl          8958 Jun 16  1992 WSJ_Crimestrike -r--r--r--  1 karl          2649 Jan 13 18:33 academia-bias -r--r--r--  1 karl           935 Mar 22 22:38 academics -r--r--r--  1 karl         36079 Aug  4  1992 aclu ... and so on ...  Each line corresponds to one file.  Reading right to left, the fields are the file name, the last modification date of the file, the size of the file in bytes, and some permission fields which you do not need to be concerned with.  To get a file run the command "get" followed by the name of the file you want, for example:  	get INDEX or 	get noduty  After the file is transfered to your machine a message like this:  	Transfer complete. 	19580 bytes received in 5 seconds (4 Kbytes/s)  You can repeat the get command for every file you want to retreive. You can use the mget command to retreive multiple files.  If the file you want is in a subdirectory, for example, congress/103rd/HR1025 you should change your directory to the appropriate subdirectory first and then retrieve it:  	cd congress/103rd 	get HR1025  Once you're finished you can log off with the command:  	quit  If you have a file you want to contribute the procedure is a little different.  First of all you should find out if the file already exists, so get a copy of the index file with the procedure above and look it over to make sure you wouldn't repeat an entry.  The index will have a description of each of the files in the rkba directory.  For example:  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- File: whitemanslaw  White Man's Law by William R. Tonso, from the December 1985 Reason magazine ----------------------------------------------------------------------  Once you've determined you won't be duplicating an entry, login and change to the incoming directory command (see above).  Once you are in the incoming directory use the command:  	put file_name  In this case:  	put whitemanslaw  Again there'll be a "Transfer complete, so many bytes transfered in so many seconds" message.  Now your file is on the archive machine.  Another thing to watch out for is duplicate file /names/.  Be sure there isn't a file in the incoming directory that is called the same as the file you want to write.  If you use the same name you'll overwrite the previous file [or you'll get an error message].  Your file may have to be renamed if there is a conflict with a file by the same name in the rkba directory.  Once your file is in the incoming directory send me an entry for the INDEX file and I will add it to the file.  If you cannot use anonymous ftp and would still like to contribute a file email the file to me and I'll take care of the rest.  If you submit a file and do not notify me it may be removed, so be sure to let me know first.  If you have any questions feel free to ask me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --  Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com      --  Michael Phelps, (external) mjp@vnet.ibm.com ..                 (internal) mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com .. mjp at kgnvmy           (and last but not least a disclaimer)  These opinions are mine..       
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Distribution: usa  <93103.170753U28037@uic <1qie2rINN1b9@cae.cad.gatech.edu> Lines: 73  In article <1qie2rINN1b9@cae.cad.gatech.edu>, vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) says: > [stuff deleted. all mine]  >Define "armed better". Go shoot a revolver and a semi-auto like the >Colt .45. Does one fires faster than the other? Nope. Aside from which >faster rate of fire is usually not desirable. Sure it makes the other >guys duck for cover, but just *YOU* trying hitting anything with a Thompson >in hose-mode. This is why the military is limiting it's M-16 now to  Aw come on.  It worked great in the 1920's (or the movie version of the '20s anyways) :-)  >3-round burst-fire. Simple semi-auto would be better, but the troops >like to be able to rock and roll even if it is wasteful of ammo (something >often in short supply when the enemy is plentiful). > >A revolver is equally capable as a semi-auto in the same caliber. > [stuff deleted about how revolvers are just as good as semi-autos]  All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as I am not really familiar enough with handguns.  >Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly >switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having >accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks >require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex >as the timer on a VCR.  Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to.  The only thing that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it.  Sure there is that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. > >Anyone who goes anyone saying that the criminals obviously outgun >the police don't know nothing about firearms. Turn off COPS and Hunter >and pay attention. I do not seek here to say "semi-autos are junk" >merely that assuming they are better for all jobs is stupid. A cop >with a revolver on his hip and a shotgun in the rack is more than >equipped for anything short of a riot. > Actually I don't watch those shows :-)  And you're right (at least partially). I don't know much about handguns.  I'm more familiar with rifles.  >Gun control is hitting what you aim at. If you whip out a >wonder-nine and fire real fast you may find you don't hit anything. >Good controlled fire from a revolver is more likely to get you a hit. >I own a 9mm Beretta myself but consider it inferior as a carry weapon >to something like the Ruger Security Six revolver. If I haven't hit >what I'm aiming at in the first 5 shots, something is quite seriously >wrong somewheres. While I might like having the backup capacity of those >extra shots in certain cases, overwhelmingly the # of shots fired in >criminal encounters is less than 5. > >What do crooks overwhelmingly use in crime? Why the same nice simple >.38 revolvers that the police often use. Well actually some police >prefer the much heftier .357 Magnum, but anyway..... > >ObPlea: Don't flame me, I prefer semi-autos for most things. But they >        introduce unneccessary complications to something as nerve-wracking >        as an abrupt encounter with a lone criminal. > >-- >"If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect." > -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX.  No flames here.  All your points are well taken.  Guess I still have a lot to learn but thanks to this discussion I already am :-)  Guess I assume too many things like more bullets are better and that sort of thing.  Of course you know what happens when you assume ......... :-)  Jason
From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing Organization: Macquarie University Lines: 39 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au  In article <C513wI.G5A@athena.cs.uga.edu>, mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: |> (1) Don't use big capacitors.  They are unreliable for timing due to |> leakage.  |>  |> Instead, use a quartz crystal and divide its frequency by 2 40 times |> or something like that. |>  |> 1 MHz divided by 2^40 = 1 cycle per 2 weeks, approximately. |>  |> (2) I wouldn't expect any components (other than batteries or electrolytic |> capacitors) to fail at -40 C (or -40 F for that matter either :) ). |> The battery is going to be your big problem.  Also, of course, your |> circuit shouldn't depend on exact values of resistors (which a crystal- |> controlled timer won't). |>   ... Wouldn't a crystal be affected by cold? My gut feeling is that, as a mechanically resonating device, extreme cold is likely to affect the compliance (?terminology?) of the quartz, and hence its resonant frequency.  |> --  |> :-  Michael A. Covington         internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu :    ***** |> :-  Artificial Intelligence Programs       phone 706 542-0358 :  ********* |> :-  The University of Georgia                fax 706 542-0349 :   *  *  * |> :-  Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A.     amateur radio N4TMI :  ** *** **   JohnH  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------        |  _  |_   _   |_|  _   _|  _|              Electronics Department     |_| (_) | | | |  | | (_| (_| (_| \/           School of MPCE     ---------------------------------/-           Macquarie University                                                   Sydney, AUSTRALIA 2109      Email: johnh@mpce.mq.edu.au, Ph: +61 2 805 8959, Fax: +61 2 805 8983  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: avm1993@sigma.tamu.edu (MAMISHEV, ALEXANDER VALENTINO) Subject: digital voltmeter - how does it work? Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services Lines: 34 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: sigma.tamu.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41           Hello,      Let me introduce a problem:     When I measure a sinusoidal wave (voltage) with a digital voltmeter, using  AC mode, my output is an rms value (a peak value over 2 squared). / Right? /     When I measure a square wave in the same mode (AC), my output is equal  to a peak value, actually, to the upper flat boundary of the wave.    I assumed, that a digital voltmeter makes some kind of integration of the  input value, and divides it over the wave period. / Right?/    Now, I used it to measure the same  square wave as above, but distorted  by high-frequency harmonics. Ideally, output should be the same, but... The output value was only about 10% of the previous one!     Why? What is the nature of this output value? What does the voltmeter  actually measure? And what does it show?       Related question (less important to me):    What are advantages and disadvantages of digital voltmeters to compare with  analog ones?      Thank you for your attention, you could mail me your opinion at avm1993@zeus.tamu.edu or open a discussion here. I would appreciate either  way.   Alexander V. Mamishev  ____________________________________________________________________________ Power System Automation Laboratory    <>   phone office (409) 845-4623     Department of Electrical Engineering  <>   phone home   (409) 846-5850 Texas A&M University                  <>   fax   (409) 862-2282 College Station, TX 77843, USA        <>   Internet: avm1993@zeus.tamu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
From: willisw@willisw.ENG.CLEMSON.edu (Bill Willis) Subject: Re: help me, i'm not clever! (how to make power supply?) Keywords: power supply Organization: Engineering Services, Clemson University Lines: 37  In article <94318@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt4417a@prism.gatech.EDU (SKELTON,JOEL PHILLIP) writes:  >I need to make a power supply that can take input from a  >cigarette lighter in a car (12v dc) and drive 7.5 volts >at up to 3.0 amps. I know enough to know that a simple >voltage divider with two resistors won't do it right. Can >such a thing be made from Radio-Shack-able parts without >too much difficulty?  >jps >bf  >p.s. I've looked for premade things like this at radio shack but >none of it seems to go any higher than about 800mA.   >--  >Joel Skelton   --    North Avenue Trade School, Dept. of Round Things >gt4417a@prism.gatech.edu   (ask for Scooter Technologies, and receive)  See if Radio Shack has a National Semiconductor Adjustable Voltage  Regulator, (National) part number: LM350T or LM350K.  These devices are  rated for an input to output differential of up to 35 Volts @ 3 Amps.  Digi-Key Corp. has these parts, as well as several other useful regulators. If you don't have their catalog, their phone number is: 1-800-344-4539.  I can only guess that you may intend to recharge a 7.5 VDC nicad battery  with this device, and if I'm right, you may want to look through some of the  hobbiest books to get various ideas for battery charging circuits, first.  If you get stuck, e-mail me your FAX number, if you have one, and I'll send  you some suggestions or schematics.  e-mail: willisw@coe-nw.clemson.edu  
From: system@garlic.sbs.com (Anthony S. Pelliccio) Subject: Re: arcade style buttons and joysticks Organization: Antone's Italian Kitchen and Excellence in Operating Network X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.02 Lines: 26  dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (David F. Newman) writes:  > Hi there, > Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found > on most arcade style games.  Many projects I am working on would > be greatly augmented if I could implement them.  Thanx in advance. >  > -Dave > dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu >   Contact Chris Arthur at Chris_Arthur@pennies.stratus.com He restores lots of old video and arcade games and knows where to get parts.  Tony  ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Anthony S. Pelliccio, kd1nr/ae    // Yes, you read it right, the  // -- system @ garlic.sbs.com          // man who went from No-Code    // -----------------------------------// (Thhhppptt!) to Extra in     // -- Flame Retardent Sysadmin       // exactly one year!            // ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is a calm .sig! -- -------------------------- 
From: calzone@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: Eumemics (was: Eugenics) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 25 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: w20-575-56.mit.edu    >Probably within 50 years, it will be possible to disassemble and >re-assemble our bodies at the molecular level.  Not only will flawless >cosmetic surgery be possible, but flawless cosmetic PSYCHOSURGERY. > >What will it be like to store all the prices of shelf-priced bar-coded >goods in your head, and catch all the errors they make in the store's >favor at SAFEWAY?  What will it be like to mentally edit and spell- >check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling >VACATION TIME-SHARE OPTIONS?   You are absolutely daft.  No flame required.  You lack a brain.  > ...[sic]... >Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes >which are the units of genetics.   Well... at least you're educated, it seems.  But give credit where credit is due: to Richard Dawkin(s?)  (the meme is a meme he invented)  -zone
From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia)  Subject: Re: PC Parallel I/O Distribution: world Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia)  Lines: 24   R >>>JD> ALL PC parallel ports that are compatable with the IBM standard, R >>>JD> including the original IBM adaptor, are bi-directional.  NOT ALL PARALLEL PORTS ARE BI-DIRECTIONAL WITHOUT MODIFICATION.  My experience with the standard old zenith parallel port in their  original 286s proves that.  They had the input direction disactiviated by  tieing them R/W select line of the circuit to Vcc.  To make it bi ( which  I did ) I had to modify it by scraping off the trace and solder a jump to  the proper location.  I thought that this was just lazy on the part of  Zenith ( they were not Zenith-Bull Group at that time).  -rdd  ---  . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy  * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959             ---- | HAL 9000 BBS:  QWK-to-Usenet gateway  | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins    | | FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups!  | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | | Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959      +--------------------------------+ | Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD  * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 |
From: jec@watson.ibm.com Subject: Contraceptive pill Reply-To: jec@zurich.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: mythen.zurich.ibm.com Organization: Watson Research Center Lines: 9  A very simple question : it seems to me that the contraceptive pill just prevents the ovule to nest in the vagina and forces it to fall every month. But it does not prevent the fertilzation of the  ovule. Is it true ? If yes, is there a risk of extra-uterine pregnancy, that is the development of the ovule inside the Fallopian tube ?  J.Cherbonnier jec@zurich.ibm.com
From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer Organization: SigSauer Fan Club  Lines: 66  In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: >You are loosing.  What's "loosing?"    >Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter >how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA.   I vote.  I don't consider RKBA an abomination.   >This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your >RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty.  I'm sure Sarah Brady would be delighted to hear your ranting and raving.  However, Clinton has not publically stated that he would like to repeal the Second Amendment.  "Tough titty" to you.  >You had better discover ways to make do without firearms. The number of >cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause. There is nothing you >can do about it. Those who live by the sword shall die by it.   Are we going to "make do without" like the people in New York City?  You know New York City: That gun ban utopia you dream about, with the millions of unregistered handguns?  New York City, by the way, has a very high crime rate.  Perhaps you should know about a gungrabber's nightmare - Idaho. Here in Idaho, the police give concealed carry permits to anyone over 21 without a criminal record.  There are no gungrabber schemes such as FOIDs, waiting periods, "gun a month," or LTCs.  And horror of horrors!  You don't even NEED a permit to carry a concealed weapon while outside of city limits (although you do need a permit for concealed carry in an automobile).  I feel a hell of a lot safer in Boise than I would in your gun ban dream state (e.g., Washington, D.C.).  >The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against >you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it !  The voting public in Idaho is staunchly pro-gun.  Both senators are NRA-endorsed "A" rated!  Buy a clue, pal.  >Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect >them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. >Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an >immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'.  > Get out your wallet and buy another clue.  There are millions upon MILLIONS of pre-1968 (i.e., non-4473'ed) firearms out there. They have a half-life approaching eternity.  And cosmoline is not exactly tracked by the feds.  >Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions >are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will >be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... > Gun control laws were passed to PROTECT the KKK from blacks!  Drew -- betz@gozer.idbsu.edu *** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** *** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights   *** *** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc,     semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium
From: jbrown@vax.cns.muskingum.edu Subject: ESPN cares less about hockey Organization: Muskingum College Lines: 23  ESPN is pathetic, I have been watching everybody complain about ESPN's coverage and I agree with all of you.  Might I suggest that we are getting all worked up over nothing.  We ALL knew that ESPN's coverage was going to suck.  I mean have you ever watched during the regular season Sportscenter coverage of hockey? It sucks, I mean really sucks!!!  ESPN does not know hockey if it shot them in the ass.  I was really pissed of about last night, coverage.  I go to school in Ohio I *know* the Indians suck, so why show them?  If I were Bill Clement I would shoot myself.  Anyway after I calmed down after I realized that they were not going to show overtime of the Caps Isles game I thought to myself I knew that this was going to happen, in fact I remerbed myself praying that at least they would keep even the boring Devils game.  Overall I think ESPN does not care if they show hockey or not and I firmly belive that they have know respect for the fans. ie *because of contract        obligations*, screw you ESPN.  Praise be to all hockey fans who put up with this shit!  GO HAWKS!!!  JB
From: cpage@two-step.seas.upenn.edu (Carter C. Page) Subject: Re: Prayer in Jesus' Name Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 46  In article <Apr.9.01.09.22.1993.16580@athos.rutgers.edu> munns@cae.wisc.edu (Scott Munns) writes: >Eventually, we got around to how >we should pray in Jesus' name.  Then, an excellent question came up, one >that I don't have a real answer to.  The question was, "If we need to pray >in Jesus' name, what about the people before Jesus?  They prayed to God >and he listened then, in spite of their sins.  Why can't it be the same >way now?"  	"And in that day you will ask Me no question.  Truly, truly, I say to  	you, if you shall ask the Father for anything, He will give it to you  	in my name.  Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask, and  	you will receive, that your joy may be made full." 				-John 16:23-24  I don't believe that we necessarily have to say " . . . In Christ's name.   Amen," for our prayers to be heard, but it glorifies the Son, when we  acknowledge that our prayer is made possible by Him.  I believe that just as  those who were saved in the OT, could only be saved because Jesus would one day reconcile God to man, He is the only reason their prayers would be heard by  God.  	For all of us have become like one who is unclean, 	And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; 	And all of us wither like a leaf, 	and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. 				-Isaiah 64:6, NAS  Our prayers like the rest of our deeds are too unholy to go directly to the Father because they are tainted by our sin.  Only by washing these prayers with Christ's blood are they worthy to be lifted to to the Father.  	"First, I thank my God through Christ Jesus . . ." 				-Romans 1:8, NAS  Some scholars believe that this is Paul recognizing that even his thanks are  too unholy for the Father. 	Basically, prayer is a gift of grace, I believe that only through Jesus do our prayers have any power; thus, praying in His name glorifies and praises  Jesus for this beautiful and powerful gift He has given us.  +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-= Carter C. Page           | Of happiness the crown and chiefest part is wisdom, A Carpenter's Apprentice | and to hold God in awe.  This is the law that, cpage@seas.upenn.edu     | seeing the stricken heart of pride brought down,                          | we learn when we are old.  -Adapted from Sophocles +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=+-=-+-=+-=-+=-+-=-+-=-+=-+-=
From: ayari@judikael.loria.fr (Ayari Iskander) Subject: NHLPA poll (Stats/3rd uptade) Organization: Crin - Inria-Lorraine Lines: 54  3rd uptade:  Here are the standings for the poll after 39 votes: 5 points for 1st, 4 for 2nd,... 1 point for 5th:   EA/ NHLPA game  1. DET 102 2. CHI  97  3. NY   74 4. VAN  73 5. MTL  69 6. PIT  33 7. WSH  29 8. BOS  21 9..ASW  16  10.CGY  10 11.QUE   9 12.ASE   8 13.WPG   7 14.LA    5    OTW   5    STL   5    TOR   5 18.BUF   3    PHI   3    TBY   3 21.SJ    2 22.MIN   1    Atlanta to win Turner Cup 1 (not in the game, but 1 person vote) 24.EDM   0    HTF   0    LI    0    NJ    0  4 teams have no point Continue to send your votes in this format (until April 20th, approximately) ------------------------------------------------ 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. ------------------------------------------------   Keywords:    --  _____________________________________________________    Email : Iskander.Ayari@loria.fr ou ayari@loria.fr _____________________________________________________ 
From: Don_Alder@mindlink.bc.ca (Don Alder) Subject: Bware of JayHayes/Deleware Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 10  Had a deal with Jay Hayes from Deleware and was ripped off do not deal with this guy and if you know him go to his door with a bat! He lives in Deleware and I will post his full address later as well as his phone number in case any on e else wants to call and leave nasty messages. He will not return email and he will not return my phone calls I left a message iwth hgis roomate to call collect and hes not man enough. He still maintains net privilages, can we somehow get this turkey off the net.  DA 
From: mll@aio.jsc.nasa.gov (Mark Littlefield) Subject: Re: What counntries do space surveillance? Reply-To: mll@aio.jsc.nasa.gov Organization: Lockheed ESC/NASA JSC Lines: 32  In article <15657.2bd7de55@cpva.saic.com>, thomsonal@cpva.saic.com writes: [ stuff deleted ] |>  |>  |>     This leads to the more general question: do yet other people than  |> the US, Russia, and Japan do space surveillance, and if so, how and  |> why?  |>  |> Allen Thomson              SAIC                        McLean, VA, USA  The French SPOT is an example that comes to mind.  Although the company (name escapes me at the moment) sells images world-wide, you can bet your last dollar (franc??) that the French gov't gets first dibs.  I remember a few years ago (about the time SPOT was launched), I was speaking to my Dad (an USAF officer) about this and that, and I happend to mention SPOT (I think we were talking about technology utilization).  He just about went ballistic.  He wanted to know how I knew about SPOT and just what I knew.  I guess that space surveillance is such a sensitive topic in the Air Force that he couldn't believe that I would read about such a system in the popular press (ie. AV week).  mark,  --  ===================================================================== Mark L. Littlefield              Intelligent Systems Department internet: mll@aio.jsc.nasa.gov  USsnail:  Lockheed Engineering and Sciences            2400 Nasa Rd 1 / MC C-19                       Houston, TX 77058-3711 ====================================================================
From: Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com Subject: FOR SALE: Old JAZZ magazines Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: m21.eng.stratus.com             The  following  jazz  magazines  will  go for the best            OFFER  received.  Shipping  not  included,  these  are            pretty  heavy.  Of course if you are local (Mass, USA)            you can come get 'em  in  person.  All  are  in  GREAT            condition!!  These  will  go  as  one lot.  I will not            break them up.                  Metronome   -  Sep  1947, Feb  1948, June 1948,                                Nov  1950, Dec  1950, June 1952                                Nov  1953                  Downbeat    -  Jan 15,1947 (was newspaper sized..folded)                                Jan 18,1962, Feb 15,1962, Dec 19,1963,                                Mar 12,1964, Apr  9,1964, May  7,1964,                                May 21,1964, Jun  4,1964, Jul 16,1964,                                Sep 10,1964, Dec 17,1964, Dec 31,1964,                                Aug 26,1965, Oct  7,1965, Oct 21,1965,                                Dec 16,1965, Dec 30,1965, Jan 13,1966,                                Apr 21,1966, Jul 28,1966, Sep  8,1966,                                Dec 29,1966, Feb  9,1967, Feb 23,1967,                                Jun 15,1967, Nov 15,1967, Apr  4,1968,                                Aug  8,1968, Sep  5,1968, Oct  3,1968,                                Oct 31,1968, Feb  6,1969, Mar  6,1969,                                May 15,1969, Jun 12,1969, Jul 10,1969,                                Jul 24,1969, Aug 21,1969, Sep  4,1969,                                Dec  2,1969, May 14,1970, May 28,1970,                                Jun 11,1970, Jun 25,1970, Jul  9,1970,                                Aug 19,1971, Mar 15,1973, Mar 29,1973,                                May 10,1973, May 24,1973, Nov 1985                  Also  I  will  toss in (free):                             Jazz Journal (Feb 1979,Apr 1979) and                            CODA Magazine (Jun 1985, Dec 1985)                          arthur_noguerola@vos.stratus.com   
From: joe13+@pitt.edu (Joseph B Stiehm) Subject: Re: ABC coverage Distribution: usa Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 30  In article <cfoy0MW00Uh_41JndV@andrew.cmu.edu> am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes: > >I was skeptical before the game but was pleasantly surprised at the >coverage.  I was particularly impressed by the close range camera coverage >of work in the corners and behind the play without losing a beat getting >back to the puck. > >Thorne is good and I've always been a fan of Clement (but I miss >Mike Emrick!).  My boyfriend, who is not a hockey fan, even looked up >at one point and said, "These guys are pretty good announcers."  (This >is the same guy who said that Rick Tocchet looks like Charles Bronson...:) > >Mom.    I have one complaint for the cameramen doing the Jersey-Pitt series:  Show the shots, not the hits.  On more than one occassion the camera zoomed in on a check along the boards while the puck was in the slot.  They panned back to show the rebound.  Maybe Mom's camera people were a little more  experienced.    Joseph Stiehm     
From: dougb@comm.mot.com (Doug Bank) Subject: Re: Blood Cholesterol -  Gabe Mirkin's advice Reply-To: dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.35 Lines: 29  In article <1pka0uINNnqa@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes: |> Forget about total cholesterol when assessing health risk factors. |> Instead, use a relationship between LDL and HDL cholesterol: |>  |> If your LDL is       You need an HDL of at least |>  |>       90                 35 |>      100                 45 |>      110                 50 |>      120                 55 |>      130                 60 |>      140                 70  Gee, what do I do?  My LDL is only 50-60. (and my HDL is only 23-25) I must be risking something, but Is it the same risk as those with  very high LDL?  |> If your triglycerides are above 300, and your HDL is below 30, the |> drug of choice is gemfibrozil (Lopid) taken as a 600mg tablet |> thirty minutes before your morning and evening meals.  What about exercise and a low-fat diet?  What are the long-term  effects of this drug?  --  Doug Bank                       Private Systems Division dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com          Motorola Communications Sector dougb@nwu.edu                   Schaumburg, Illinois dougb@casbah.acns.nwu.edu       708-576-8207                    
From: jag@ampex.com (Rayaz Jagani) Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition? Nntp-Posting-Host: dst-s4-21 Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA Lines: 27  In article <19609@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article <3794@nlsun1.oracle.nl> rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) writes: >> >>In many European countries Homepathy is accepted as a method of curing >>(or at least alleiating) many conditions to which modern medicine has  >>no answer. In most of these countries insurance pays for the  >>treatments. >> > >Accepted by whom?  Not by scientists.  There are people >in every country who waste time and money on quackery. >In Britain and Scandanavia, where I have worked, it was not paid for. >What are "most of these countries?"  I don't believe you. > >  When were you in Britain?, my information is different.  From Miranda Castro, _The Complete Homeopathy Handbook_, ISBN 0-312-06320-2, oringinally published in Britain in 1990.  From Page 10, .. and in 1946, when the National Health Service was established, homeopathy was included as an officially approved method of treatment.  
From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters.  WHere  are they. Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net   Well, I seem to have struck an  interesting discussion off.  Given that I am not an astrophysicist  or nuclear physicist,  i'll have to boil it down a bit.  1)  ALl the data on bursts to date,  shows a smooth random distribution.  2)  that means they aren't concentrated in  galactic cores, our or someone elses.  3) If the distribution is smooth,  we are either seeing some  ENORMOUSLY large phenomena  scattered at the edge of the universe  said phenomena being subject to debate almost as vioent as the phenomena 	OR we are seeing some phenomena  out at like the Oort cloud,  but then it needs some potent little energy source,  that isn't detectable  by any other current methods.  4)  we know it's not real close,  like  slightly extra solar,  because we have no parallax measurements on the bursts.  5)  the bursts seem to bright to be something like black hole quanta or super string  impacts or something like that.  So everyone is watching the data and arguing like mad in the meanwhile.  what i am wondering,  is this in people's opinion,  A NEW Physics problem.  Einstein got well known for solvingthe photoelectric effect.     Copernicus,  started looking at  irregularities in planetary motion.  Is this a big enough problem, to create a new area of physics? just a little speculative thinking folks.  pat
From: leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Lines: 67  In article <C5w9J7.JLL@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG> angcl@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Claude Angers) writes: >In article <C5rx8B.Kzp@ecf.toronto.edu> leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) writes: >>In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes: >>>In article <C5o1yq.M34@csie.nctu.edu.tw> ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: >>>> >>>>Dear friend, >>>>  The RISC means "reduced instruction set computer". The RISC usually has  >>>>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase  >>>>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about >>>>computer architecture for more information about RISC. >>> >>>hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember >>>reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. >>>The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not >>>as orthogonal is CISC. >>> >>>--  >> >>Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer.  That's why everyone >>is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC.  Personally, I think CISC will win out. >>Just take a look at the Pentium!  (Not that I like Intel architectures either, >>but that's another story...) >> >>bye! >> > >Do you mean that the Pentium is better than a Risc?  or that it will outsell >them all?  If the first, you have to remember that intel CISC (like the >pentium) are a always a generation away from the best riscs... also Riscs >cpu are more costly because they are not sold in the same quantities (not >even on the same order)...  but I remember reading about 3 years (maybe 2) >about a T800(?) from hypercube that did a 100 mips, was superscallar AND >reordered its instruction itself so  I'm not 100% sure, but I think the T800 was a 25MHz transputer?  so ya tie a gazillion of them together to get 100mips.  (The newest is the T9000 which kicks anyone's butt :)... haven't seen them used much though).  Anyway, to respond, I think the Pentium (CISC) is better than the more advanced RISC (e.g., like the alpha, etc.  the 66MHz Pentium has approximately the same "performance" as the superduper 133MHz Alpha - here, performance is the weird Specint92 that everyone refers to? - this is what I *heard* - the Alpha still kicks in the P5's butt in fp - again, this is what I *heard*). and in the computing world, if you sell lots of chips (like intel), and make it faster (like intel), you are the winner (like intel), even though you have a sucky architecture from over 10 years ago (like intel :0).  If you can make a "CISC" chip (superscalar, superduperpipelined, superfast) with the ideas behind the "RISC" ideology, you got a CISC chip.  And then I admit I can't see the advantages of RISC over CISC...  If the latest technology is a generation behind, then it sucks (relatively speaking).  Now I may sound like I like intel, but I'll have to say that the P5 is some real kick butt pile of Si and SiO2...  But I hope that Motorola really catches up with the 68K line... or I'm gonna start crying...  brian  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian "Hojo" Lee       | "Hey, excuse me miss, could I have a .GIF of you?" leebr@ecf.toronto.edu  | leebr@eecg.toronto.edu | (try Linux... the best and free UN*X clone!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George F. Krumins) Subject: Re: Space Marketing would be wonderfull. Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 44  tfv0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Theodore F. Vaida ][) writes:  >In article <C74tLs.2sG@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George F. Krumins) writes: >[deleted] >>To say that "visible light astronomy is already a dying field" is  >>pure hokum.  To use the "logic" that things are already bad, so it doesn't >>matter if it gets worse is absurd.  Maybe common sense and logic >>are the dying fields. >>--  >[deleted] >Ok, so those scientists can get around the atmosphere with fancy >computer algorythims, but have you looked ad the Hubble results, the >defects of the mirror are partially correctable with software (see >those jupiter pictures for results), but is the effects are completely >reversable, why is there going to be a shuttle mission to fix it? >[deleted]  The main effect of the spherical aberration problems with the primary mirror was to drive the computer engineers to develop the image processing software that much faster. When they use the _same_ deconvolution  software on the images from the fixed Hubble, be ready for some  incredible results!  There is every reason to believe that the results will  _exceed_ the original specs by a fair margin.    Adaptive optics is a combination of hardware and software.  It works  realtime, not after the fact, as is the case with Hubble.  You might be interested to know this technology has made it to the amateur market, in the form of the AO-2 Adaptive Optics System.  Starting on page 52 of the  April, 1993 Sky & Telescope is a three page review of this new product. It lists for $1,290.  The article states: "The AO-2 Adaptive Optics System  comes in a handy soft-plastic case that a three-year-old could carry  around."  Even though this device is really only good for the brightest objects, "it could cope with image movements of up to 0.8 millimeter in the telescope's focal plane."  Now just imagine how well this infant  technology will do in a few years, especially in a dedicated system that  has hundreds of thousands of dollars, and many man-hours invested in its development.  George Krumins --  Pufferfish Observatory         |^^^^^\^^^^|     The Universe had its origin gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu       ^^^/\ \^^^      in two hockeysticks colliding                                    / /\ \         "Home of the Hockeystick  /_/  \_\  Memorial Telescope"
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: WACO burning Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com  In article <C5wCyB.n1F@dscomsa.desy.de>, hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:  > No Koresh is responsible. >  > If a murderer goes on the rampage it is the murderer who is responsible.  ram.page, n.: To move about wildly or violently.  A course of frenzied, violent action.  Who assaulted who here, Phill?  Do you remember exactly which side came  out looking for trouble?  > The police may bear responsiblity for failing to stop him but the primary > responsibility is with the murderer.  So if it turns out that the fire WAS caused by a tank knocking over a Coleman lantern, you'll support punishing the "responsible" people, Phill? Or will you find then find a different reason to hang it all on Koresh? --   cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet... 
From: drozinst@db.erau.edu (Drozinski Tim) Subject: Re: Ulf and all... Organization: Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Daytona Beach, FL USA Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: alpha.db.erau.edu  layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield) writes:  >In article <1pdlksINNmq7@GIRAFFE.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> wuziyun%suned@cs.yale.edu (You wanna know?) writes: >> >> >>Let me give my two cents worth in this whole thing: >> >>  I am very sick of Pittsburg fans(and they are my second favorite team)  >>talk about how " why can't Bruins forget about Ulf Samuelsson when we have >>forgotten all about Adam Graves"  Beside the obvious fact that Lemeuix's career >>was never endangered by Graves' slash while Neely is still bother by his injury, >>I think the most important reason is: >> >>        ADAM GRAVES HAS PLAYED CLEAN HOCKEY EVER SINCE!  WHILE ULF SAMULESSON >>        CONTINUES TO PLAY DIRTY(YES, TRYING TO HIT A PLAYER WHERE HE'S INJURED >>        IS DIRTY).  FANS HAVE CAN FORGET ABOUT ONE DIRTY PLAY BUT HOW CAN YOU >>        FORGET ABOUT ULF SAMULESSON WHEN EVERYNIGHT, WHEN I WATCH HOCKEY HIGH >>        LIGHTS, I GET REMINDED OF HOW DIRTY HE IS.  >Hitting a player when he's injured is dirty?  Can you explain this statement? >Do you mean a player who was just injured on the ice(?) or do you mean a player >who is playing hurt.  If a player is hurt he should not bother playing because >I don't belive ANY PLAYER should be let up on just because they are playing >hurt.  >I'm not an Ulf fan but at least I can spot the fact he is like Calgary's >Theoren Fleury in the respect that part of his game is to really piss other >players off as that's part of his job (But he lacks Ulf's size!).  I AM an Ulf (and Pgh) fan, and what pisses me off about the whole Adam Graves/ Ulf Samuesson debate is that Ulf plays hard-hitting hockey (nothing wrong with  that) while Graves does what he does when the only way to win a game is to  intentionally hurt someone (which bites!).  >Players that REALLY piss me off are the ones who insist on hitting from behind >or try to go for the knees to injure the players.  This kind of garbage has >got to go (I would really like to see Muni get pasted as he is one of the >worst offenders).  I thought they had instituted all kinds of new rules this season to stop crap  like that?!?  Is it just me, or does the officiating just still stink to high heaven?  IMHO, if they could get rid of the existing refs, and institute a new system with more than one ref on the ice to keep an eye on the trouble-makers then a lot of these things would stop, and then the game would be ruled by the finnesse players:  Mario, Selanne, Bure, Messier, et.al...  >Just my $0.02.  > Colin Layfield            | "Religion and Sex are power plays, >                           |  Manipulate the people for the money they pay, > The University of Calgary |  Selling Skin, Selling God > Computer Science          |  The numbers look the same on their CREDIT CARDS!" > layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca |                          - Queensryche   Tim Drozinski Embry-Riddle Aero. Univ. drozinst@erau.db.erau.edu 
From: "Tal Michael" <wtm@utrc.utc.com> Subject: Re: Challenge to Microsoft supporters. Nntp-Posting-Host: lestat Organization: UTRC Lines: 37   In article <MEKENKAMP.6.737653432@STPC.WI.LeidenUniv.NL> MEKENKAMP@STPC.WI.LeidenUniv.NL (Leo Mekenkamp) writes: >Brian Grier (bjgrier@bnr.ca) wrote: > >> So to most of the computer users in the world MS product symbolize >> quality. MS has made their life easier, and more productive and to them >> that is quality. They do not care about what innovative things MS has >> done, other than to make their life with a computer one heck of a lot >> easier. You may know better than most computer users in this world >> but that will not change their perception. > >Excuse me? Are you one of those people who *enjoy* working w/win? Come talk  >to a house-mate of mine and tell him how productive his life is when he  >encountered yet another sudden appearence of the DOS-prompt while cutting  >and pasting in win! Or an empty win screen without any tasks running (i.e. >^ESC brings up an empty list, progman has done it again.) > >Leo > >----------------------- "There's Klingons on the starboard bow, ---------- >Leo Mekenkamp            scrape 'em off Jim!"        ___ >Klikspaanweg 53/6                       ___....-----'---`-----....___ >2324 LZ  Leiden                  ========================================= >The Netherlands                          ___`---..._______...---'___ >071-323476                              (___)      _|_|_|_      (___) >                                          \\____.-'_.---._`-.____// >Mekenkamp@STPC.WI.LeidenUniv.NL            `~~~~`.__`---'__.'~~~~' >Leo@STHP.WI.LeidenUniv.NL                           ~~~~~   Been messin roun progman.ini have ye?  I'm gessing you've been "tuning" the system, that's the only way I can remember getting a blank screen from CTRL-ESC.... when one of the PROGMAN.INI parameters was twinked to 0 or 3, can't remember.  I've never seen Win 3 do something like that on  her own, Captain.  Tal.
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: <Political Atheists? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu  kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:  >>But chimps are almost human... >Does this mean that Chimps have a moral will?  Well, chimps must have some system.  They live in social groups as we do, so they must have some "laws" dictating undesired behavior.  keith
Organization: Penn State University From: Christopher Sacksteder <CJS@psuvm.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Windows NT und X-Windows?  <1993Apr29.220709.7347@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <C69yBv.8wI@acsu.buffalo.edu> Lines: 19  In article <C69yBv.8wI@acsu.buffalo.edu>, mongwa@acsu.buffalo.edu (Kan Mongwa) says: > >>>does anybody here know whether Windows NT does/will include a X >>>Windows server . . .  >Could you add some information to 'No it does not'. >Say for instance your source of information.  Source for "does not" comment: the CD-ROM and manuals for the March beta -- there *is* no X windows server there.  Will there be?  Of course.  (Even) if Microsoft supplies one with NT, other vendors will no doubt port their's to NT.  According to a recent newsletter from Hummingbird Communications Ltd., they announced eXceede/NT at UNIFORUM 93.  The announcement reads like it is "here now", but there is no order or price info.  I would guess it must be RSN.  There is a dev kit too.
From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Griffin / Office of Exploration: RIP Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 43  yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:  >Any comments on the absorbtion of the Office of Exploration into the >Office of Space Sciences and the reassignment of Griffin to the "Chief >Engineer" position?  Is this just a meaningless administrative >shuffle, or does this bode ill for SEI?  >In my opinion, this seems like a Bad Thing, at least on the surface. >Griffin seemed to be someone who was actually interested in getting >things done, and who was willing to look an innovative approaches to >getting things done faster, better, and cheaper.  It's unclear to me >whether he will be able to do this at his new position.  >Does anyone know what his new duties will be?  First I've heard of it. Offhand:  Griffin is no longer an "office" head, so that's bad.  On the other hand:  Regress seemed to think: we can't fund anything by Griffin, because that would mean (and we have the lies by the old hardliners about the $ 400 billion mars mission to prove it) that we would be buying into a mission to Mars that would cost 400 billion. Therefore there will be no Artemis or 20 million dollar lunar orbiter et cetera...  They were killing Griffin's main program simply because some sycophants somewhere had Congress beleivin that to do so would simply be to buy into the same old stuff. Sorta like not giving aid to Yeltsin because he's a communist hardliner.  At least now the sort of reforms Griffin was trying to bring forward won't be trapped in their own little easily contained and defunded ghetto. That Griffin is staying in some capacity is very very very good. And if he brings something up, noone can say "why don't you go back to the OSE where you belong" (and where he couldn't even get money for design studies). -- Phil Fraering         |"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison." Repo Man  
From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) Subject: Re: SOLUTION: Multi-setups on standalone EASY!!! Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 31  rhudson@gomez.intel.com (Ron A. Hudson) writes:  >Peter Goudswaard (goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca) wrote: >>-- Setup deleted... >> Finally, in order to run _your_ specific version of Windows, you >> must simply change the path to include C:\WINMASTR *and* your >> specific configuration path, e.g. C:\WINWIFE.  You could get >> fancy and use batch files, environment variables, or a menuing >> system to do this. >--- other stuff delete... >If you happen to be running the new msdos 6, you could use multi- >setup to provide a menu with a menu choice for each person using >the machine ... power up, select your name,  the menu will use your >personal sections of config.sys and autoexec.bat thus setting up the >path, then running your windows copy!   >Ron  Excellent suggestion, Ron.  And as a further comment on DOS 6, if you decide to install Windows standalone configuration completely, in more than 1 directory on your hard drive, and use DOS 6 to jump to a specific copy for each user, you could be saving yourself many megs of disk space if you use the SETUP /N and /A technique!!  --   Peter Goudswaard                  _________                     _________  goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred)      |         |      __/^\__      |         |  pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca           |         |      \     /      |         |  pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca               |         |   _/\_\   /_/\_   |         |                                   |         |   >           <   |         |  "There's no gift like the present"         |    >_________<    |         |     - Goudswaard's observation    |_________|         |         |_________|
From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) Summary: Ultimately, ideas come from exploration and informal thinking. Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept) Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT Lines: 65  In article <C5L9ws.Jn2@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com      (Gary Merrill) writes: > >In article <1993Apr16.155919.28040@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu      (Mark Fulk) writes: > >|> Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common.  The crucial >|> thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren't of any use >|> unless they make you do some experiments.  .... >|>  >|> (Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA >|> electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments.  He got very excited, ..... > >But why do you characterize this as a "flight of fancy" or a "fantasy"? >While I am unfamiliar with the scientific context here, it appears obvious >that his speculation (for lack of a better or more neutral word) was >at least in significant part a consequence of his knowledge of and acceptance >of current theory coupled with his observations.  It would appear that >something quite rational was going on as he attempted to fit his observation >into that theory (or to tailor the theory to cover the observation).  ...  Whether a scientific idea comes while one is staring out the window, or dreaming, or having a fantasy,  or watching an apple fall (Newton), or sitting in a bath (Archimedes) ... it is ultimately the result of a lot of intense scientific thinking done beforehand.  Letting one's mind roam freely and giving rein to one's intuition can be a useful way of coming up with new ideas, but only when one has done a lot of rational analysis of the problem first.    Scientific intuition is not something one is born with.  It is something that one learns.  Maybe we don't understand completely how it is learned, but training in systematic scientific thinking is certainly one of the  key elements in developing it.    Informal exploration is also often an important element in finding new scientific ideas.  One thinks, for instance, of Darwin's naturalistic studies in the Galapagos islands, which led him to the ideas for the  theory of evolution.    This is why I am offended by a definition of science that emphasizes empirical verification and does not recognize thinking and informal exploration as important scientific work.  I agree that mere speculation does not deserve to be called science.  I also think that mere empirical studies not directed by good scientific thinking are at best a very poor kind of science.    In article <1qk92lINNl55@im4u.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu      (Russell Turpin) writes: >    ... >I think that Lee Lady and I are talking at cross purposes. >  ... Lady seems concerned with the contrast between great >science that makes big advances in our knowledge and mediocre >science that makes smaller steps.  In most of this thread, I have >been concerned with the difference between what is science and >what is not.   I don't think that science should be defined in a way that some of the activities that lead to really important science --- namely thinking and informal exploration --- are not recognized as scientific work.    -- In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems  less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects.     lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu         lady@uhunix.bitnet
From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: pointer for info (long shot) Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Lines: 49  In article <ZONKER.93Apr14174640@splinter.coe.northeastern.edu>, Regis M Donovan <zonker@silver.lcs.mit.edu> writes: > This is something of a long shot... but what the hell.  the net is > full of people with strange knowledge... > > I'm looking for suggestions as to what could be causing health > problems one of my relatives is having. > > One of my cousins has had health problems for much of her life. > Around the age of 10 she had some gynecological problems.  Now she's > in her early/mid twenties and she is going blind. > > Her eyes are not producing enough (if any) moisture.  She's been going > to Mass Eye and Ear and the doctors there have no clue what the actual > cause is.  THey have apparently tried eyedrops and such.  She is just > about completely blind in one eye and the other is massively > deteriorated.   Sjogren's syndrome has been known to induce dryness in vaginal tissue as well as induce primary biliary cirrhosis. Otherwise the abdominal swelling could be due to a complication of Sjogren's known as pseudolymphoma which *can* produce a splenomegaly (enlarged spleen). She should definitely see a rheumatologist.  Since you don't mention skin disorder, anemia, or joint pain you'd probably rule out erythema nodosum or scleroderma.  Josh backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL    > > Also, and this may or may not be related, she is having some changes > in her abdomen.  her stomach has swelled (i'm not sure if this is > stomach the organ or stomach teh area of the body). > > I guess the step they're going to take next is to do a whole battery > of tests to check all the other internal systmes besides just the > eyes... > > but just because the net is a source of large amounts of bizarre > knowledge, i'm going to ask: has anyone ever heard of anything like > this?  suggestions of things to ask about (since much of my knowledge > about her state comes second or third hand)? > > Thanks. > --Regis >   zonker@silver.lcs.mit.edu >
From: Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org Subject: Confession & communion Lines: 14  04 Apr 93, David Cruz-Uribe writes to All:   DC> Also, what is Orthodox practice regarding communion?  I read  DC> a throw-away remark someplace that the Orthodox receive less  DC> frequently than Catholics do, but was is their current practice?  DC> Have their been any variations historically?  I think Orthodox practice varies from place to place, from parish to parish and from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In some parishes here in South Africa the only ones who receive communion are infants (i.e. children under  7). In our parish it is expected that one will have been to Vespers and confessional prayers the evening before, and that one will have been fasting. As we have to travel 70km to the church, we don' t receive communion every Sunday, but about every third Sunday.  Steve  --- GoldED 2.40
From: mudayja@wfu.edu (Jeffrey Muday) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu   This has been an interesting thread to follow... and obviously this group wasn't intended as a forum for the discussion of piracy... Has anyone seen any estimates of the lost revenue due to pirates?  I was wondering if piracy is more rampant in Home or Corporate computing environments.  I would tend to think that business environment "piracy" is the major contributor to this form of lost revenue.  So many companies will purchase a few copies of a software package and then employees will internally distribute them as if they owned a site-license!  What do you guys think?
From: STK1203@VAX003.STOCKTON.EDU Subject: Internet resources X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest Organization: [via International Space University] Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU Distribution: sci Lines: 14  I am taking a course entitled "Exploring Science Using Internet". For our final project, we are to find a compendium of Internet resources  dealing with a science-related topic. I chose Astronomy. Anyway, I was  wondering if anyone out there knew of any interesting resources on Internet that provide information on Astronomy, space, NASA, or anything like that.  THANKS!    KEITH MALINOWSKI   STK1203@VAX003.Stockton.EDU   P.O. Box 2472   Stockton State College   Pomona, New Jersey 08240 
From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) Subject: Re: Are BMW's worth the price?                       Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 19  In article <1993Apr5.135153.11132@wdl.loral.com> gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) writes: >Road and Track (2/88) BMW325is     0-60 7.5s, 1/4 mile 15.7s >               (Road Test  >                Annual 1993)       0-60 8.3s, 1/4 mile 16.2s > > >Those are the numbers I was quoting, I have driven the older model but not the >newer.   sure sounds like they got a ringer.  the 325is i drove was definitely faster than that.  if you want to quote numbers, my AW AutoFile shows 0-60 in 7.4, 1/4 mile in 15.9.  it quotes Car and Driver's figures of 6.9 and 15.3.  oh, BTW, these numbers are for the 325i.  i don't know how the addition of variable valve timing for 1993 affects it. but don't take my word for it.  go drive it.  -teddy
From: voecking@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Volker Voecking) Subject: Re: expanding to Europe:Dusseldorf Originator: voecking@hphalle5c.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 29   In article <1993Apr15.192231.27574@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: |> In <PKORTELA.93Apr15164732@lk-hp-17.hut.fi> pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi writes: |>  |> >  |> > DEG has many german-born forwards in the team. In fact the majority of players |> > are german-born. 1992-93 DEG had 11150 average in 11800 spectator arena. |>  |> Interesting! One of our German friends here (Robert?) told me their forwards |> were all Canadian-Germans. Perhaps somebody can sort this out for us?  As far as I know Dusseldorf has only one Canadian-German forward (i.e. a  player who was born in Canada but now has a German passport).  Benoit Doucet became german by marriing a german and he is going to play  for Germany in the WC.  The other Canada-born forwards are: 	Peter-John Lee (has British passport) 	Chris Valentine 	Dale Dercatch 	Steve Gootas  	Earl Spry (?)  At the moment there are only three German-born forwards coming into my mind: 	Bernd Trunschka, Andreas Brockmann, Ernst Koepf   Volker 
From: mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker) Subject: Re: New thought on Deuterocanonicals Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 29  >	2.  It is more likely than not that when St. John (or whomever) wrote >		the book of Revelation WHAT WAS THEN CONSIDERED SCRIPTURE was >		** NOT ** the same thing you and I are holding in our hands!  >		Revelation was almost certainly written durin the reign of  >	Domition (sp?), A.D. 80-96.  Thus it could be argues that we are all >	in sin if we accept 2 Peter as scripture, since it was "added" to the >	book after the composition of Revelation, when we are told to add  >	nothing more.  	Okay, I went back and looked:  sure enough, my hunch was right. 	 		2 Peter was most likely written between 100-120 A.D. 		 		Revelation was almost certainly written between 80-96 A.D. 		 		Odds are the gospel of John was written around 90 A.D. 		 		Best dates for Luke and Acts are around 80 A.D., maybe later. 		 	Again, this is from footnoted information in the New American Bible, 	the best translation I've come across in regards to giving complete 	historical information about each book. 						- Mike 						)  [Of course the folks who you're arguing with almost certainly do not accept 2 Peter as being pseudonymous.  In that case they'd have to date it far earlier than this.  --clh]
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 37  suopanki@stekt.oulu.fi writes: > On 5 Apr 93 11:24:30 MST, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com said: > :> God is eternal.    [A = B] > :> Jesus is God.      [C = A] > :> Therefore, Jesus is eternal.  [C = B] >  > :> This works both logically and mathematically.  God is of the set of > :> things which are eternal.  Jesus is a subset of God.   Therefore > :> Jesus belongs to the set of things which are eternal. >  > Everything isn't always so logical.... >  > Mercedes is a car. > That girl is Mercedes. > Therefore, that girl is a car?  Unfortunately your phrasing is ambiguous.  Re-writing more carefully, we have (at least) two possibilities.  The first:  Things called "Mercedes" are cars That girl is called "Mercedes" Therefore that girl is a car  That is entirely valid as a piece of logical deduction.  It is not sound, because the first statement is false.  Similarly, I would hold that Jim's example is valid but not sound.  Another possible interpretation of what you wrote is:  There exists at least one car called "Mercedes" That girl is called "Mercedes" Therefore that girl is a car  -- which isn't valid.   mathew
From: colombo@bronco.fnal.gov (Rick 'Open VMS 4ever' Colombo) Subject: Re: Do trains/busses have radar? Nntp-Posting-Host: bronco.fnal.gov Organization: Fermilab Computing Division Lines: 27  In article <C5FqFy.Fpq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (matthew liggett) writes: > In <1993Apr13.111652@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes: >  >  >> While taking an extended Easter vacation, I was going north on I-45 >> somewhere between Centerville, TX and Dallas, TX and I came upon a  >> train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over >> the northbound lanes.  There appeared to be movement within the cab  >> and out of curiosity I slowed to 85 to get a better look.  Just as I >> passed from underneath the trestle, my radar detector went into full  >> alert - all lights lit and all chirps, beeps, and buzzes going strong. >> I thought I had been nailed good but no police materialized. >  >> Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what? >  >  I don't know about trains, but I've saw a sign on the back of a Greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off. It doesn't explain why, but it does set off my radar detector.  ___________________________________________________________________________ *****  *   *  From the e-net desk of: Rick Colombo CD/DCD/DSG    *    * *      **  *  Fermi Nat'l Acc'l Lab   708-840-8225 Fermilab     * *   * ***    * * *  P.O. Box 500   MS 369   Feynman Computer Center  *****  * *      *  **  Batavia, Ill. USA 60510 Colombo@fnal.fnal.gov    *   *  ***** *    Of course I speak for: Fermilab, Congress and the President... NOT!!!
From: ph@gmd.de (Peter Hendricks) Subject: Re: Wanted: A to D hardware for a PC To: ebuddington@eagle.wesleyan.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: gmdzi Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany Lines: 23  In <3889@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> Brad Wright writes:  >	If you know much about PC's (IBM comp) you might try the joystick >port.  Though I haven't tried this myself, I've been told that the port >has built in A-D converters.  This would allow the joystick to be a couple of  >pots.  If you could find the specs this might just work for you...  I guess 100k, connecting pins 1-3 (1x), 1-6 (1y), 9-11 (2x), and 9-13 (2y).  Or: Get an 8-bit DA-Converter (merely a couple of transistors and Resistors) and an OpAmp to compare its output to the voltage you want to measure, connect them to a spared printer port (if you have one), and do the rest by software (stepwise refinement). The port addresses for your printer ports are probably: &H378 (LPT1), &H278 (LPT2). This should work well enough for your purposes.  Hope this helps  -- GMD,  Schloss Birlinghoven,  Postfach 1316,  D-5205 St. Augustin 1,  FRG  e-mail:  Peter.Hendricks@gmd.de			ph@zi.gmd.dbp.de 	 ph@gmd.de
From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Subject: Re: HV diodes Nntp-Posting-Host: chip Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. Lines: 15  In article <1pohuq$4sq@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com>, wdh@grouper.mkt.csd.harris.com (W. David Higgins) writes: |> I believe the only thing that needs correction, Mr. Vanderbyl, is your |> attitude.  Nope, Mr. Myers has found the bad mistake and posted a correction, thank God.  |> Acting the child won't gain you any favors or make a  Who's acting?  |> positive impression with anybody.  Ghod knows you've make an impression |> on me;  just not a positive one.  Oh no, I haven't impressed Mr. Higgins. 
From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) Subject: Re: 88 Toyota Camry super deluxe $9.9k Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 27  In article <davidkC5uuCr.H1D@netcom.com>, davidk@netcom.com (David Kiviat) write s: >88 toyota Camry - Top Of The Line Vehicle >blue book $10,500 >asking 9,900. > >73 k miles >auto transmission > >Has Everything! > >owned by a meticulous automoble mechanic > >call (408) 425-8203 ask for Bob. > >posted for a friend. > > *******************************************************************88888   I have a 1991 Toyota Camry Deluxe for sale...   70K miles, power everything, grey, 3 years newer than above for $10K.    All highway miles.  Excellent condition...                                                             Rob Fusi                                                             rwf2@lehigh.edu                                                             New Jersey                                                             609-397-2147                                                             ask for Bob Fusi -- 
Organization: Penn State University From: Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Subject: Re: @#$%! I was right in the first place!!! Lines: 53  In article <vzhivov.735059801@cunews>, vzhivov@superior.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) says: > >In <93107.091503RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> Robbie Po <RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: > >>2-Red Wings vs. 3-Maple Leafs               Maple Leafs in 6 > >>  Comment : It's kind of tough to rely on Yzerman as the team's main weapon. >>            He's a great palyer, but Dino knows all about choking, which >>            puts the burden on Steve even more.  Potvin's had a hell of a >>            season and goaltending is what you need in the playoffs. > >For a great prognosticator:), you seem to remember very little playoff >history. Dino always shows up in the playoffs, which is why he is a >great "sleeper" pick in pools. Don't forget about Fedorov, one of the >top players in the NHL, IMHO, and Coffey who has the most Stanley Cup >rings of any active players (correct me if I'm wrong). Wings in a >cakewalk.  Oh yeah, how come Dino could never take the Caps out of the Patrick Division?  He choked up 3 games to 1 last year and got swept away in the second round two years ago.  He rarely, if ever, makes it out of the division.  >>1-Canucks vs. 4-Jets                        Canucks in 5 > >>  Comment : It's more like Vancouver vs. Selanne.  King and Domi (for >>            enforcing) help Winnipeg out a little, maybe a game.  Canucks >>            have their number. > >Except that the Canuck are playing like shit. Winnipeg can win this >one, though I think Vancouver will manage to slip by.  So are the Islanders, but they can still pull it out.  Vancouver has Winnipeg's  number, so it really doesn't matter.  >>2-Flames vs. 3-Kings                        Flames in 7 > >>  Comment : 7 games looks good as the Kings always seem to battle it out. >>            Flames are back in running and won't know memories of last year's >>            season.  Gretzky is on a tear, but there are too many ????? >>            surrounding the Kings.  >Kings "always seem to battle it out"? When? Where?   Kings always seem to go at least 6 or 7, they never play a four or five game serious.  There's a difference between battling it out and pulling it out, as I take Calgary to pull it out in 7. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Robbie Po **          PGH PENGUINS!!!    "We do what comes naturally! Patrick Division Semi's  '91 STANLEY CUP    You see now, wait for the PENGUINS 6, Devils 3     '92 CHAMPIONS      possibility, don't you see a Penguins lead, 1-0       12 STRAIGHT WINS!  strong resemblance..."-DG '89
Organization: Arizona State University From: <ICBAL@ASUACAD.BITNET> Subject: Re: Opinions on Allergy (Hay Fever) shots? Distribution: world  <93115.120409ICBAL@ASUACAD.BITNET> <1rhb0e$9ks@europa.eng.gtefsd.com> Lines: 13  In article <1rhb0e$9ks@europa.eng.gtefsd.com>, draper@gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com (PAM DRAPER) says: > >This homeopathic remedies.  I tried the dander one for a month. 15 drops >three times a day.  I didn't notice any change whats so ever.  How long >were you using the drops before you noticed a difference? > It is NOT a homeopathic remedy. Improvement began in a few months. I am allergic to bermuda grass and if anyone nearby was mowing a lawn my nose would start to run.  Now I can walk right by and it doesn't bother me at all.  The same success with desert ragweed.     Bruce Long
From: elowitz@noao.edu (Mark Elowitz) Subject: Need help in finding address... Keywords: White Sands Tracking Facility Nntp-Posting-Host: ursa.tuc.noao.edu Organization: National Optical Astronomy Observatories, Tucson, AZ, USA Lines: 7  Could someone please help me. I am trying to find the  address to the TDRS receiving station at White Sands Missile Range. I am interested in possible employment and would like to write for information.  Thanks... 
From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet Subject: Re: Atlanta Hockey Hell!!DIR Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Lines: 18  > Someone give SportChannel a call (or maybe Ted Turner). > Wasn't USA network covering the playoffs years ago? >  > Jim G.  Oh to be back in the good old days when I lived in Florida (Florida for Petes sake!!) and could watch hockey every night as ESPN and USA alternated coverage nights. Oh well I guess it would be too simple for the home office to look back into their past to solve a problem in the present...  Of course I shouldn't complain. At least I'm getting to watch the playoffs for a change. (Hooray!!) Now if the ESPN schedulers will realise there are other teams except Pittsberg in the Patrick. (Sounds like a Dr Suess Book =)  KOZ  LETS GO CAPS!!
From: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM (Gary Chin) Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity Reply-To: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 27  In article 27611@athos.rutgers.edu, mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes: >In <May.7.01.08.16.1993.14381@athos.rutgers.edu> whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) writes: >Homosexual Christians have indeed "checked out" these verses.  Some of >them are used against us only through incredibly perverse interpretations. >Others simply do not address the issues. > >You would seem to be more in need of a careful and Spirit-led course >in exegesis than most of the gay Christians I know.  I suggest that >you stop "proof-texting" about things you know nothing about.  Let me say that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ is central to Christianity. If you personally believe that Jesus Christ died for you, you are a part of the Christian body of believers.  We are all still human. We don't know it all, but homosexual or heterosexual, we all strive to follow Jesus.  The world is dying and needs to hear about Jesus Christ.  Are you working together with other Christians to spread the Gospel?  |-------------------| | Gary Chin         | | Staff Engineer    | | Sun Microsystems  | | Mt. View, CA      | | gchin@Eng.Sun.Com | |-------------------|
From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... Nntp-Posting-Host: physerver.phy.mtu.edu Organization: Michigan Tech X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 38  On Tue, 20 Apr 1993 21:30:12 GMT, Pete Zakel (phz@cadence.com) wrote: > In article <1993Apr16.010235.14225@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes: > >You didn't even get the capitalization correct!  Try reading USCA on > >the Constitution, or get any other CORRECT version of the > >Constitution.   > This is REALLY STUPID nitpicking.  Capitalization rules in the late 18th > century were quite different from today, and what was posted matches current > capitalization rules.  pete zakel is right, we don't need to worry about capitalization rules. after all, the punctuation gives all the necessary information about the sentence structure. why should anyone worry about whether the text is as close to the original as possible. (sarcasm intended).   > In the original Constitution, "militia", "arms", etc. were capitalized simply > because they were nouns.  This is also done currently in German.  There is > no special significance to these words simply because they are capitalized. > The capitalization denotes no special emphasis.  Then you didn't understand my grumble...  Again, I said to get a CORRECT version of the Constitution.  The first indicator that something is wrong (i.e. the copy has been modernized) is the modern capitalization rules.  The next thing to go is the spelling, and then I've even seen versions where the GRAMMAR was modernized (oh, but don't worry, modernizing the grammar won't change the meaning of the text, right?... ;-)  [p.s.  I have found about 10 *different* versions of the Constitution on the network; And accuracy DOES matter...]  -- Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931 ------------------------------------------------------------- "...when all government... in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."   Thomas Jefferson, 1821
From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam Distribution: world,public Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 19  In article <115437@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) wrote: > As I have stated on a parallel thread, I am not an anarchist, nor is > Islam anarchist. Therefore the UK should have control over itself.  > However, this does not change the fact that it is possible for citizens > of the UK residing within the UK to be in violation of Islamic law.  This is an interesting notion -- and one I'm scared of. In my case I'm a Finnish citizen, I live in USA, and I have to conform to the US laws. However, the Finnish government is not actively checking out what I'm doing in this country, in other words checking out if I conform to the Finnish laws.  However, Islamic law seems to be a 'curse' that is following you everywhere in the world. Shades of 1984, eh?  Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
From: ebraeden@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Eric W Braeden) Subject: What exactly is an IBM 486SLC processor? Nntp-Posting-Host: photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Distribution: na Lines: 11  Could someone please tell me if the 486SLC and 486SLC2 processors IBM is putting in their Thinkpad 700's and other PC's is a REAL 486 with a math coprocessor or if it is really some Kludge that should not be called a 486 at all?  Thanks, Eric --  Eric W. Braeden                    | "Der Verstand war zwar praechtig Ohio State University              | doch das Nuetzte am Ende nicht viel" ebraeden@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | Peter Schilling   120 Grad    1983
From: hamlet@stein.u.washington.edu (Mitch McGowan) Subject: rec.sport.hockey Frequently Asked Questions Organization: University of Washington Lines: 1768 Expires: Mon, 03 May 93 00:00:01 EDT Reply-To: hamlet@u.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu  Archive-name: hockey-faq  rec.sport.hockey answers to Frequently Asked Questions and other news:   Contents:  0. New Info. 1. NHL 2. NHL Minor Leagues 3. College Hockey (North America) 4. Other leagues (e.g. Europe, Canada Cup tournament) 5. E-mail files 6. USENET Hockey Pool 7. Up-coming Dates 8. Answers to some frequently asked questions 9. Miscellaneous    Send comments, suggestions and criticisms regarding this FAQ list via e- mail to hamlet@u.washington.edu.   --------------------------------------------------------------------------    0. New Info.    This section will describe additions since the last post so that you can  decide if there is anything worth reading. Paragraphs containing new  information will be preceded by two asterisks (**).   1.: New Anaheim contact, Winnipeg to keep affiliate in Moncton.  2.: New Milwaukee contact, IHL broadcaster of the year named, Rheaume to  start against Cyclones, San Diego sets record.  3.: Ticket info included for 1994 NCAA Division I Championships.  4.: World Championship Pool B results listed, Sweden Hockey Games final  standings listed, Swedish Elite League final standings listed, new Olypmic  Hockey mailing list.  5.: New Montreal mailing list address.  6.:   7.:   8.:   9.:   --------------------------------------------------------------------------     1. NHL - National Hockey League    For detailed information concerning a team (particularly where to get  tickets and merchandise, where to watch games in town....), send e-mail to  the net contact(s) for the team.                               First   # of   Last  Team                   Div  Season  Cups   Cup    Net Contacts  ---------------------  ---  ------  ----  ------ ---------------------- **  Anaheim Mighty Ducks    -   93-94      -    -    Kris Myers                                                   kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu  Boston Bruins           A   24-25      5  71-72    Buffalo Sabres          A   70-71      0    -    Jeff Horvath                                                   jhorvath@macc.wisc.edu  Calgary Flames          S   80-81*     1  88-89  CALDWELL8102@mtroyal.ab.ca  Chicago Blackhawks      N   26-27      3  60-61  John Scholvin                                                   scholvin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu  Detroit Red Wings       N   33-34*     7  54-55  SGLENN@cmsa.gmr.com  Edmonton Oilers         S   79-80*     5  89-90  Andrew Scott                                                   andrew@idacom.hp.com  Hartford Whalers        A   79-80*     0    -    Matthew Olsen                                                   dmolsen@athena.mit.edu  Los Angeles Kings       S   67-68      0    -    Stan Willis                                                   willis@empire.dnet.hac.com  Minnesota North Stars   N   67-68*     0    -    Mitch McGowan                                                   hamlet@u.washington.edu  Montreal Canadiens      A   17-18     22  85-86    New Jersey Devils       P   82-83*     0    -      New York Islanders      P   72-73      4  82-83  Mark Anania                                                   ananim@rpi.edu  New York Rangers        P   26-27      3  39-40  Paul Romano                                                   romano@monolith.bellcore.com  Ottawa Senators         A   92-93      0    -    Scott Simpson                                                   simpson@bnr.ca  Philadelphia Flyers     P   67-68      2  74-75  Pete Clark                                                   seth@hos1cad.att.com  Pittsburgh Penguins     P   67-68      2  91-92  Lori Iannamico                                                   lli+@cs.cmu.edu                                                   Thomas Sullivan                                                   tms@cs.cmu.edu  Quebec Nordiques        A   79-80*     0    -  St. Louis Blues         N   67-68      0    -    Joseph Achkar                                                   jca2@cec1.wustl.edu  San Jose Sharks         S   91-92      0    -    Nelson Lu                                                   claudius@leland.stanford.edu **  South Florida           -   93-94      -    -      Tampa Bay Lightning     N   92-93      0    -    Tom Wilson                                                   wilson@eola.cs.ucf.edu  Toronto Maple Leafs     N   26-27*    11  66-67  Darryl Gamble                                                   darryl@cs.yorku.ca  Vancouver Canucks       S   70-71      0    -    Alan Chim                                                   chim@sfu.ca  Washington Capitals     P   74-75      0    -    David Lu                                                   david@eng.umd.edu  Winnipeg Jets           S   79-80*     0    -    umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca    A=Adams N=Norris P=Patrick S=Smythe    *Calgary: formerly Atlanta Flames (72/73-79/80)   Detroit: formerly Detroit Cougars (26/27-29/30) -> Detroit Falcons  (30/31-32/33)   Edmonton: formerly Alberta Oilers (WHA) (72/73) -> Edmonton Oilers (WHA)  (72/73-78/79)   Hartford: formerly New England Whalers (WHA) (72/73-78/79)   Minnesota: Cleveland Barons were merged with Minnesota for the 1978/79  season.   New Jersey: formerly Kansas City Scouts (74/75-75/76) -> Colorado  Rockies (76/77-81/82)   Quebec: formerly Quebec Nordiques (WHA) (72/73-78/79)   Toronto: formerly Toronto Arenas (17/18-18/19) -> Toronto St. Patricks  (19/20-25/26)   Winnipeg: formerly Winnipeg Jets (WHA) (72/73-78/79)   Teams with mailing lists, see section 5 for addresses: Boston, Buffalo,  Los Angeles, Montreal, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, San Jose,  Tampa Bay, Vancouver, Washington.  -----   - Schedule   1992-1993 Schedule for the NHL                                   April     Sun       Mon       Tue       Wed       Thu       Fri       Sat +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ !         !         !         !         ! 1       ! 2       ! 3       ! !         !         !         !         !Min @ Cal!Mon @ Was!Buf @ Bos! !         !         !         !         !Det @ Chi!NYI @ NYR!Cal @ SJ ! !         !         !         !         !Har @ Pit!         !Chi @ StL! !         !         !         !         !Que @ Ott!         !Van @ Det! !         !         !         !         !Tor @ Phi!         !Win @ Edm! !         !         !         !         !Win @ SJ !         !Ott @ Har! !         !         !         !         !Van @ TB !         !Min @ LA ! !         !         !         !         !         !         !Mon @ NYI! !         !         !         !         !         !         !NJ  @ Tor! !         !         !         !         !         !         !TB  @ Phi! !         !         !         !         !         !         !Pit @ Que! +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ ! 4       ! 5       ! 6       ! 7       ! 8       ! 9       !10       ! !Bos @ Buf!Har @ NYR!Bos @ Que!Edm @ Van!Que @ Bos!Van @ Cal!Bos @ Mon! !Cal @ SJ !         !Buf @ Min!Har @ Ott!Chi @ NYI!Pit @ NYR!Buf @ Det! !StL @ Chi!         !Cal @ LA !Mon @ Pit!Det @ TB !         !Chi @ TB ! !Pit @ NJ !         !Edm @ SJ !NYR @ NJ !SJ  @ LA !         !Har @ Que! !NYR @ Was!         !NYI @ Was!         !Was @ Phi!         !LA  @ SJ ! !Van @ Ott!         !Phi @ Win!         !Tor @ Win!         !StL @ Min! !         !         !StL @ TB !         !         !         !NJ  @ Was! !         !         !         !         !         !         !Ott @ NYI! !         !         !         !         !         !         !NYR @ Pit! !         !         !         !         !         !         !Phi @ Tor! +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ !11       !12       !13       !14       !15       !16       !17       ! !Ott @ Bos!Was @ Mon!Mon @ Buf!Bos @ Ott!Phi @ Buf!         !         ! !Que @ Buf!NYR @ Phi!Cal @ Edm!NYI @ Har!SJ  @ Cal!         !         ! !Cal @ Van!         !Chi @ Min!Pit @ NJ !Tor @ Chi!         !         ! !TB  @ Chi!         !LA  @ Van!Was @ NYR!Min @ Det!         !         ! !Win @ Edm!         !Ott @ Que!         !Edm @ Win!         !         ! !Tor @ Har!         !StL @ Tor!         !Har @ NYI!         !         ! !Min @ StL!         !TB  @ Win!         !Van @ LA !         !         ! !NYI @ NJ !         !         !         !NJ  @ Pit!         !         ! !         !         !         !         !TB  @ StL!         !         ! +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+   The season will begin on 10/6 and end on 4/15. Playoffs will begin on  4/18 and end on or before 6/14. 24 NHL regular season games will be played  in non-NHL cities during 92-93 season. Cities: Milwaukee (2), Sacramento  (2), Cleveland (2), Indianapolis, Phoenix, Miami, Oklahoma City, Dallas,  Atlanta, Cincinnati, Providence, Peoria, Hamilton (4), Saskatoon (4),  Halifax.   Here is a chart showing the number of games between the teams (84 games  each):        N N N P P W   B B H M O Q   C D M S T T   C E L S V W       J Y Y h i a   o u a o t u   h e i t B o   a d A J a i         I R i t s   s f r n t e   i t n L   r   l m     n n       = = = = = =   = = = = = =   = = = = = =   = = = = = =  NJ : - 7 7 7 9 7   4 4 4 3 4 4   2 2 2 2 2 2   2 2 2 2 2 2  NYI: 7 - 7 9 7 7   4 3 4 4 3 3   2 2 2 3 2 2   2 3 2 2 2 2  NYR: 7 7 - 7 7 9   3 4 3 4 3 4   2 2 2 2 3 2   2 2 2 3 2 2  Phi: 7 9 7 - 7 7   4 3 3 4 3 4   2 3 2 2 2 2   3 2 2 2 2 2  Pit: 9 7 7 7 - 7   5 4 3 3 4 3   2 2 2 2 2 2   2 3 2 2 2 2  Was: 7 7 9 7 7 -   3 4 4 3 4 3   3 3 2 2 2 2   2 2 2 2 2 2   Bos: 4 4 3 4 5 3   - 7 7 9 7 7   2 2 2 2 2 2   2 2 2 2 2 2  Buf: 4 3 4 3 4 4   7 - 9 7 7 7   2 2 2 2 2 2   2 2 2 2 3 2  Har: 4 4 3 3 3 4   7 9 - 7 7 7   2 2 2 3 2 2   2 2 2 2 2 3  Mon: 3 4 4 4 3 3   9 7 7 - 7 7   2 2 2 2 2 2   2 2 3 3 2 2  Ott: 4 3 3 3 4 4   7 7 7 7 - 9   2 2 2 2 2 3   2 2 2 2 2 3  Que: 4 3 4 4 3 3   7 7 7 7 9 -   2 2 2 2 3 3   2 2 2 2 2 2   Chi: 2 2 2 2 2 3   2 2 2 2 2 2   - 9 7 7 7 7   3 4 5 3 4 3  Det: 2 2 2 3 2 3   2 2 2 2 2 2   9 - 7 7 7 7   4 3 4 4 3 3  Min: 2 2 2 2 2 2   2 2 2 2 2 2   7 7 - 9 7 7   4 4 3 3 5 4  StL: 2 3 2 2 2 2   2 2 3 2 2 2   7 7 9 - 7 7   4 3 3 3 4 4  TB : 2 2 3 2 2 2   2 2 2 2 2 3   7 7 7 7 - 9   3 4 3 4 3 4  Tor: 2 2 2 2 2 2   2 2 2 2 3 3   7 7 7 7 9 -   4 3 4 4 3 3   Cal: 2 2 2 3 2 2   2 2 2 2 2 2   3 4 4 4 3 4   - 7 7 9 7 7  Edm: 2 3 2 2 3 2   2 2 2 2 2 2   4 3 4 3 4 3   7 - 7 7 7 9  LA : 2 2 2 2 2 2   2 2 2 3 2 2   5 4 3 3 3 4   7 7 - 7 9 7  SJ : 2 2 3 2 2 2   2 2 2 3 2 2   3 4 3 3 4 4   9 7 7 - 7 7  Van: 2 2 2 2 2 2   2 3 2 2 2 2   4 3 5 4 3 3   7 7 9 7 - 7  Win: 2 2 2 2 2 2   2 2 3 2 3 2   3 3 4 4 4 3   7 9 7 7 7 -   Valerie Hammerl <hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu> has posted this year's version  of nhl.c, a schedule program for NHL games.  For example, users can find  out the games played on a certain date or find out the next ten games  played by team x. A copy can be obtained by e-mailing  <hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu>   Following is the neutral site schedule:   Tue 10/13:  Calgary vs. Minnesota @ Saskatoon  Tue 10/20:  Ottawa vs. Toronto @ Hamilton  Tue 11/03:  Chicago vs. Washington @ Indianapolis  Tue 11/17:  Toronto vs. Quebec @ Hamilton  Wed 11/18:  Buffalo vs. New Jersey @ Hamilton  Tue 12/01:  Los Angeles vs. Chicago @ Milwaukee  Tue 12/08:  Montreal vs. Los Angeles @ Phoenix  Wed 12/09:  Tampa Bay vs. New York Rangers @ Miami  Sun 12/13:  Edmonton vs. New York Islanders @ Oklahoma City  Tue 12/15:  New York Islanders vs. St. Louis @ Dallas  Mon 01/04:  San Jose vs. Montreal @ Sacramento  Mon 01/18:  Hartford vs. Winnipeg @ Saskatoon  Mon 02/08:  Boston vs. Pittsburgh @ Atlanta  Mon 02/08:  St. Louis vs. Hartford @ Peoria  Tue 02/16:  Philadelphia vs. Calgary @ Cincinnati  Sat 02/20:  Quebec vs. Tampa Bay @ Halifax  Mon 02/22:  New York Rangers vs. San Jose @ Sacramento  Mon 02/22:  Detroit vs. Philadelphia @ Cleveland  Tue 02/23:  Winnipeg vs. Ottawa @ Saskatoon  Mon 03/01:  Vancouver vs. Buffalo @ Hamilton  Thu 03/11:  Minnesota vs. Vancouver @ Saskatoon  Tue 03/16:  Washington vs. Detroit @ Milwaukee  Tue 03/16:  New Jersey vs. Boston @ Providence  *  Sun 03/21:  Pittsburgh vs. Edmonton @ Cleveland   * Location subject to change  NHL Playoff Schedule:  Wales Conference Division Semifinals: April 18, 20, 22, 24, 26*, 28*, 30* Campbell Conference Division Semifinals: April 19, 21, 23, 25, 27*, 29*, May 1* Wales Conference Division Finals: May 2, 4, 6, 8, 10*, 12*, 14* Campbell Conference Division Finals: May 3, 5, 7, 9, 11*, 13*, 15* Wales Conference Final: May 16, 18, 20, 22, 24*, 26*, 28* Campbell Conference Final: May 17, 19, 21, 23, 25*, 27*, 29* Stanley Cup Final: June 1, 3, 5, 7, 9*, 11*, 14*  * - if neccessary  -----   - News & Scores    SPIKE (bryan.k.strouse) <bks@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> posts weekday news and  box scores (Sunday through Thursday). John P. Curcio  <jpc@philabs.philips.com> posts weekend news and box scores. Both maintain  e-mail lists for faster delivery.  Net contacts post team news as they see/hear/read it.   -----   - Notable team news (transactions and announcements)    Note that this information is culled from press releases and posts.  It  is updated each month and only information currently under discussion or  of continuing importance or interest will be listed for more than two  postings.    Boston Bruins   Boston legislators and the developers proposing a new Boston Garden  finally agreed to a deal that puts the 19,000-seat, $160 million project  back on track to be finished in September 1995.   Right wing Daniel Marois will be sidelined indefinitely following  surgery to repair a herniated disc in his back. **   Sent defenseman Glen Murray to Providence of the American Hockey League.   Buffalo Sabres 1-800-333-PUCK (1-800-333-7825)   Acquired left winger Bob Errey from Pittsburgh for defenseman Mike  Ramsey. **   Veteran Buffalo Sabres broadcaster Ted Darling will be inducted into the  club's Hall of Fame Sunday, April 11.  Darling, who joined the expansion  Sabres in 1970, was the team's play-by-play announcer on both television  and radio until illness forced him out of the booth during last season. **   Recalled forwards Viktor Gordiouk and Doug MacDonald from Rochester of  American Hockey League.   Calgary Flames   Acquired veteran right wing Greg Paslawski from Philadelphia for future  considerations. **   Recalled center Todd Harkins and left winger Tomas Forslund from Salt  Lake City of International Hockey League.   Chicago Blackhawks         The $175 million, privately financed United Center, scheduled to  open in August 1994, will be home to the NBA's Chicago Bulls and NHL's  Chicago Blackhawks. The stadium is owned by entities controlled by the two  teams. The owners apparently still have not made a decision on whether the  old Chicago Stadium will be razed for parking space once the new facility,  located directly across the street, opens.   Suspended defenseman Craig Muni indefinitely for failing to report  following a trade with Edmonton.   Detroit Red Wings   Acquired defenseman Steve Konroyd from Hartford for a sixth-round draft  pick.   Annnounced the signing of right wing Joe Frederick, their 13th pick in  the 1989 National Hockey League entry draft. **   Two contrite hockey fans have returned the stolen Michigan Sports Hall  of Fame plaque honoring Detroit Red Wing great Gordie Howe. The bronze  plaque was stolen more than four years ago from Cobo Hall in Detroit, site  of the Michigan Hall of Fame.   Edmonton Oilers   Sent forward Esa Tikkanen to the New York Rangers for center Doug  Weight.   Traded defenseman Craig Muni to Chicago for forward Mike Hudson.   NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said the Edmonton Oilers' lease with  Northlands Coliseum must be improved if the team is to survive in the  city. Edmonton Northlands is a non-profit agency set up by the city to  administer exhibition facilities including the Coliseum.  Oilers owner  Peter Pocklington calls his lease with Northlands horrendous and has  threatened to move the team if he doesn't get a better deal. He makes no  money from parking, concessions or building advertising. The 17,313-seat  Coliseum also has few of the lucrative private boxes that produce  significant revenues for other owners.   Announced center Kevin Todd will not need surgery but will miss the  remainder of the season with a separated shoulder.   Hartford Whalers   Sent defenseman Steve Konroyd to Detroit for a sixth-round draft pick.   Acquired left winger Robert Kron and a third-round draft pick from  Vancouver for left winger Murray Craven and a fifth-round draft pick. **   The state of Connecticut will begin negotiations to buy the Civic Center  from the city in an effort to keep the financially struggling Hartford  Whalers franchise in the city.   Los Angeles Kings   Sent center John McIntyre to the New York Rangers for defenseman Mark  Hardy and Ottawa's fifth-round 1993 draft pick.   Minnesota North Stars 1-800-800-0435 if calling from the U.S. 1-800-800-0458 if calling from Canada   The Dallas City Council has approved an agreement with the Minnesota  North Stars that will bring the NHL club to Reunion Arena next season.   Defenseman Mark Tinordi, captain of the North Stars, will be sidelined  the rest of the season, including any postseason games the North Stars  might play, because of a broken collarbone.   Acquired defenseman Mark Osiecki from Winnipeg for ninth- and 10th-round  draft picks in 1993.   Added defenseman Travis Richards from the University of Minnesota.   A former employee filed a sexual harassment suit against Minnesota North  Star owner Norman Green. Karen (Kari) Dziedzic, Green's former executive  assistant, claims Green often instructed her to wear cosmetics, described  her outfits as "very hot" and "very sexy," once slapped her hand as she  was about to eat and humiliated her by grabbing her hand and rubbing it  through a client's hair.   The Minnesota North Stars, who will move to Dallas after this season,  announced that nearly 11,000 season ticket reservations have been made for  their new home at Reunion Arena, which has a capacity of 16,800.   The Met Center commission has told the Minnesota North Stars that it  wants the club out - with its keys returned - at midnight after the last  home game.  The club is moving to Dallas for next season.  The club must  pay unpaid interest of $4,492.80 on the team's late rent payment for 1992,  which was made earlier this month, and has been instructed not to take  property such as the scoreboard and Zamboni ice-surfacing machine. **   Derian Hatcher's game-misconduct penalty was rescinded by the NHL,  allowing the Minnesota defenseman to play in the North Stars' last two  regular-season games.  Hatcher was given the penalty during a fight at the  end of a loss at St. Louis on Sunday, April 11.  But the league didn't  rescind the game-misconduct penalty Shane Churla received.  The Stars  recalled center Cal McGowan from their top minor league club in Kalamazoo,  Mich., to replace Churla.   Montreal Canadiens   Acquired defenseman Rob Ramage from Tampa Bay for minor league  defensemen Eric Charron and Alain Cote and future considerations.   New Jersey Devils **   Bernie Nicholls publicly apologized for his criticism of referee Denis  Morel after the Devils' 5-2 loss to the Buffalo Sabres.  Nicholls was  ejected by Morel for being the third man in on a fight late in the second  period of that game and afterward Nicholls called Morel "a homer" and "an  embarrassment to the referee's association."   New York Islanders   Traded right wing Daniel Marois to Boston for a conditional draft  choice.   New York Rangers   Obtained forward Esa Tikkanen from Edmonton for center Doug Weight.   Acquired left winger Mike Hartman from Tampa Bay    Acquired center John McIntyre from Los Angeles for defenseman Mark Hardy  and Ottawa's fifth-round 1993 draft pick.   Defenseman Brian Leetch will undergo additional surgery on the right  ankle he broke in a non-skating fall and is not expected to play again  this season. Leetch suffered the broken ankle March 19 following a victory  over San Jose. The team said he slipped on an icy patch of pavement as he  was getting out of a taxi cab in front of his apartment. **   Announced that defenseman James Patrick will require surgery on a  herniated disc in his back and will not play again this season. **   Returned goaltender Corey Hirsch to Binghamton of the American Hockey  League.   Ottawa Senators         The Ottawa Senators received the go-ahead to build the 18,500-seat  Palladium on the proposed location in nearby Kanata, Ont.  The projected  cost is C$150 million. Construction will be postponed until the 1995-96  season, one year behind schedule.   The Ottawa Senators lost their 37th consecutive NHL road game to tie the  1974-75 Washington Capitals for most road losses in a row. **   Assigned left wing Martin St. Amour to New Haven of the American Hockey  League.   Philadelphia Flyers   The opening date of Spectrum II has been pushed back to fall 1995.  Formal groundbreaking has been postponed indefinitely.   Traded veteran right wing Greg Paslawski to the Calgary Flames for  future considerations.   Pittsburgh Penguins   Traded left winger Bob Errey to Buffalo for defenseman Mike Ramsey.   Reacquired defenseman Peter Taglianetti from Tampa Bay Lightning for a  third-round 1993 draft choice. **   Revolutionary Comics of San Diego agreed to destroy all available copies  of a Mario Lemieux comic book in a settlement with the Pittsburgh Penguins  over a trademark infringement lawsuit.  The Penguins sued in February  charging that the "Sport Stars Mario Lemieux" comic infringed on the  team's logo and uniform, which are registered trademarks.   Quebec Nordiques 1-800-463-3333   St. Louis Blues   St. Louis Blues center Ron Sutter will miss the rest of the season as a  result of separating his right shoulder.   San Jose Sharks   The San Jose Sharks announced that ticket prices will increase by about  30% for the 1993-94 season when they move from the Cow Palace into a new  $155-million arena in San Jose. **   Recalled defenseman Tom Pederson from Kansas City of the International  Hockey League. **   Reached agreement in principle with left wing Alexander Cherbayev.   Tampa Bay Lightning 1-800-881-2639         At least two investor groups are poised to build a sports arena in  downtown Tampa if the delay-plagued company that holds a lease from the  Tampa Bay Lightning bows out. Tampa Coliseum Inc. has a lease with the  National Hockey League team to develop an entertainment and sports arena  next to Tampa Stadium, but has been unable to raise enough money for the  project.   Sent left winger Mike Hartman to the New York Rangers for center Randy  Gilhen.   Sent defenseman Peter Taglianetti to Pittsburgh for a third-round 1993  draft choice.   Sent defenseman Rob Ramage to the Montreal Canadiens for minor league  defensemen Eric Charron and Alain Cote and future considerations. **   Manon Rheaume's first starting appearance in goal for the Atlanta  Knights was impressive enough for her coach to say she has a chance to be  a backup goalie for another minor league team next season. Rheaume, the  first female to play professional hockey, stopped 25 shots and gave up six  goals against the Cincinnati Cyclones on Saturday night, April 10. After  the game, her coach, Gene Ubriaco, said Rheaume performed well enough to  compete for the No. 2 goalie spot with the Louisville IceHawks of the East  Coast Hockey League next season. The Knights and the IceHawks are minor  league clubs of the Tampa Bay Lightning. **   As their first season comes to a close, there are rumors swirling that  the Tampa Bay Lightning just might become the Atlanta Lightning.  Or the  Minnesota Lightning.  But they are just rumors, according to Lightning  general manager Phil Esposito.  ESPN reported on Sunday, April 11, that  the Lightning, who have been playing in 10,400-seat Expo Hall, are  exploring opportunities to move to either Atlanta or Minneapolis.  But  Esposito said there was no truth to the report.  "We were disappointed  with ESPN's irresponsible comment," Esposito said.  "There is just no  substance to the rumor." Rumors have been swirling for the past two years  regarding a move by Tampa Bay, which is presently discussing plans to  build a new arena.   Toronto Maple Leafs **   Defenseman Matt Martin, who helped Maine win the 1993 NCAA hockey  championship, gave up his final year of eligibility and signed a contract  with the Toronto Maple Leafs.   Vancouver Canucks        The Vancouver Canucks have cleared the last hurdle in their effort  to build a new stadium. Vancouver council has given the green light for  the 100 million dollar complex. It will seat 20 thousand people and will  have an adjoining office tower. It will be built between the viaducts near  B.C. Place in Vancouver. Site preparation will begin this summer, with a  completion date of Fall 1995.   Traded left winger Robert Kron and a third-round draft pick to Hartford  for left winger Murray Craven and a fifth-round draft pick.   Obtained defenseman Dan Ratushny from Winnipeg for a ninth-round draft  pick. **   Signed right wing Brian Loney to a multi-year contract and assigned him  to Hamilton of American Hockey League (AHL).   Washington Capitals (301) 808-CAPS   Traded goaltender Jim Hrivnak and future considerations to Winnipeg for  goaltender Rick Tabaracci.   Winnipeg Jets         Winnipeg Jets have been allowed economic assistance in order to  keep them in the Smythe division as a result of expansion.   Sent defenseman Mark Osiecki to Minnesota for ninth- and 10th-round  draft picks in 1993.   Sent goaltender Rick Tabaracci to Washington for Jim Hrivnak and future  considerations.   Sent defenseman Dan Ratushny to Vancouver for a ninth-round draft pick.   Winnipeg's Teemu Selanne broke the NHL's rookie points record. The Jets  rookie tied the record of 109 points, set by Peter Stastny with Quebec  (1980-81), with a goal, his 66th of the season, and moved ahead on an  assist in a 5-4 loss to Toronto. **   The Fort Wayne Komets said they have been told by Winnipeg that the Jets  will keep a minor league affiliation with Moncton of the American Hockey  League. There have been reports the Jets would move players from Moncton  to Fort Wayne next season.  -----  - Expansion news:    The National Hockey League announced that the expansion Anaheim and  South Florida franchises will join the league for the 1993- 1994 season.          Disney and National Hockey League officials announced Monday,  March 1, that the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim, Disney's expansion team, will  take to the ice next fall. Michael Eisner, chairman and chief executive  officer of the Walt Disney Co., said the Mighty Ducks will play at the  Pond, the new Anaheim sports arena, near Disney's flagship theme park. The  arena is under construction and will be completed in June. The Pond seats  17,350. The team still must meet the league's requirement that it sell at  least 10,000 season tickets for the final grant of NHL membership.          Anaheim named Jack Ferreira general manager and Pierre Gauthier  assistant general manager. **   Veteran NHL scout Al Godfrey has been hired as the Midwest regional  scout for the Anaheim Mighty Ducks.          Philadelphia Flyers' senior vice president Bobby Clarke was named  Monday, March 1, to the post of general manager for Miami's NHL expansion  team. Franchise owner H. Wayne Huizenga made the announcement at the Miami  Arena, three months after being awarded a franchise. Huizenga said he  plans to have a team on the ice in time for the beginning of the NHL  season in October.  -----  - Realignment:  Eastern Conference  Atlantic Division  Washington Capitals, New Jersey Devils, New York Islanders, New York  Rangers, Philadelphia Flyers, South Florida, Tampa Bay Lightning  Northeast Division  Boston Bruins, Buffalo Sabres, Hartford Whalers, Montreal Canadiens,  Ottawa Senators, Pittsburgh Penguins, Quebec Nordiques  Western Conference  Central Division  Chicago Blackhawks, Dallas Stars, Detroit Red Wings, St. Louis Blues,  Toronto Maple Leafs, Winnipeg Jets  Pacific Division  Anaheim Mighty Ducks, Calgary Flames, Edmonton Oilers, Los Angeles Kings,  San Jose Sharks, Vancouver Canucks    Schedule: Eastern Conference teams will play five games against each of  six divisional opponents (30); four games against each of the seven teams  in the conference's other division (28) and two games against each of the  12 Western Conference members (24).  Western Conference teams will play six games against each of five  divisional opponents (30); four games against each of the six teams in the  conference's other division (24) and two games against each of the 14  Eastern Conference clubs (28).    Playoffs: The system will be conference-based, with the No. 1 team  meeting the No. 8 team in the first round, No. 2 vs. No. 7, No. 3 vs. No.  6 and No. 4 vs. No. 5. Matchups will be based on overall points with the  four division champions being placed in the first- or second-place seeds  in each conference and being assured of home-ice in the first two playoff  rounds. All series will be best of seven (2-2-1-1-1 rotation) except  matchups between Central and Pacific teams.  Those series will rotate 2-3- 2 to reduce travel.  In those cases, the team with the most regular-season  points will choose whether to start the series at home or away.  -----  - Draft news:          Under terms of the new expansion draft, which will be held in  June, each of the 24 existing clubs will be allowed to protect one  goaltender, five defensemen and nine forwards. The most recent expansion  drafts allowed teams to protect two goalies and did not make a distinction  between forwards and defensemen.         First-year pros only will be exempt from the draft, which is down  from the two-year exemption teams had last season. San Jose, Tampa Bay and  Ottawa still will be allowed to exempt second-year pros.         Each of the 24 teams will lose two players, with a maximum loss of  one goaltender and a maximum loss of one defenseman. The one exception is  that a team which loses a goaltender can then no longer lose a defenseman.         At the end of the first phase of the draft, the two new franchises  will have three goaltenders, eight defensemen and 13 forwards for a total  of 24 players. A second phase then will be conducted where San Jose, Tampa  Bay and Ottawa will select two players each from the rosters of the two  new teams.         Ottawa, Tampa Bay and San Jose will be guaranteed priority  drafting selection in the 1993 draft as long as they have the three worst  records. Anaheim and Miami will choose no lower than fourth and fifth. The  expansion franchises will move up in the draft should either San Jose,  Tampa Bay or Ottawa not finish in the bottom three positions.         The two new teams will pick first and second in the 1994 Entry  Draft, regardless of their finish in 1993-94. Should either of the two new  teams not play next season they would have priority drafting position in  1994.          The owners announced the 1994 draft will be in Hartford and the  1995 draft in Winnipeg. The 1994 draft was scheduled for Boston, but a  delay in the construction of a new arena required the draft be moved.  -----   - League news:  Disputes:    The NHL owners and players have resolved differences over salary  arbitration procedures, clearing the way for about 40 hearings.  NHLPA  executive director Bob Goodenow didn't disclose how the issues were  resolved, but the prior sticking point had been the manner in which  statistics were used in arbitration hearings.  Olympics:    The NHL announced February 26, 1993, it will not make professional  players available to compete in the 1994 Winter Olympics.  League Leadership:          Los Angeles Kings owner Bruce McNall succeeded Blackhawks owner  Bill Wirtz as chairman of the NHL's powerful Board of Governors. Appointed  to join McNall on the Executive Committee were Ron Corey of the Montreal  Canadiens, Mike Ilitch of the Detroit Red Wings, Peter Pocklington of the  Edmonton Oilers and Ed Snider of the Philadelphia Flyers.          Gary Bettman, vice president and general counsel of the National  Basketball Association, was named commissioner of the National Hockey  League, Friday, December 11, 1992.  Miscellaneous:          Henri Richard, Bernie Parent and Billy Smith have been named  special ambassadors for the Stanley Cup Centennial, a season-long  celebration of the NHL championship trophy. The trio will appear at  league-wide function such as the All-Star Game and Stanley Cup playoffs.          The National Hockey League named John N. Turner, former Prime  Minister of Canada, to serve on Board of Directors of Hockey Hall of Fame  and Museum and nominated Scotty Morrison, David M. Taylor, Larry Bertuzzi,  Robert G. Bundy, Walter Bush, Murray Costello, Jim Gregory, Leslie Kaplan,  Lawrence G. Meyer and Alan Tonks to serve on Board, which takes office  March 30.    NHL President Gil Stein was one of four individuals elected to the  Hockey Hall of Fame Builder's category. The others were Buffalo Sabres'  Chairman of the Board and President Seymour Knox III, Vancouver Canucks'  Chairman Frank Griffiths and veteran Canadian hockey executive Fred Page.  Former NHL linesman John D'Amico was selected in the Hall of Fame's  Referee-Linesman category.  -----   - NHL TV   Games are carried on TSN and CBC in Canada, on ESPN in the U.S.  Check  your local listings.          The National Hockey League has struck a conditional five-year deal  with ESPN to televise professional hockey through the 1996-97 season.         The series of agreements grants ESPN exclusive national coverage  of the NHL starting with the 1992-93 season, and the cable network has an  option to extend the term of that domestic agreement for four more years.  The deal also grants ESPN exclusive international television distribution,  excluding Canada, for the next five years.         The league's new TV contract calls for ESPN to televise up to 25  regular-season games to its domestic audience this coming season and 37  playoff games, including the entire Stanley Cup Final. The majority of  ESPN's regular-season games will be televised on Friday nights.          NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman announced Wednesday, March 3, that  ABC Sports will televise five Stanley Cup playoff games starting next  month. ABC will carry the playoff games on its network through an  arrangement with ESPN, the U.S. rightsholder for NHL games. ESPN will  provide the production of the games. ABC owns ESPN.   April 18 - Wales Conference Game #1 Quarterfinals   April 25 - Campbell Conference Game #4 Quarterfinals   May 2 - Wales Conference Game #1 Semifinals   May 9 - Campbell Conference Game #4 Semifinals   May 16 - Wales Conference Game #1 Finals  -----   - Award winners, all-star teams, hall of fame inductees, and draft picks    91-92 Award Winners:  Hart Trophy (MVP): Mark Messier (NYR)  Vezina Trophy (best goalie): Patrick Roy (Mon)  Norris Trophy (best defenseman): Brian Leetch (NYR)  Calder Trophy (best rookie): Pavel Bure (Van)  Selke Trophy (best defensive forward): Guy Carbonneau (Mon)  Lady Byng Trophy (sportsmanship): Wayne Gretzky (LA)  Jack Adams Award (best coach): Pat Quinn (Van)  Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy (perseverance): Mark Fitzpatrick (NYI)  King Clancy Trophy (contribution to community): Ray Bourque (Bos)  Jennings Trophy (lowest team GAA): Patrick Roy (Mon)  Art Ross Trophy (most scoring points): Mario Lemieux (Pit)          Hall of Famer players Frank Boucher and Red Dutton and executives  Bruce McNall and Gil Stein Thursday were named the 1993 winners of the  Lester Patrick Award for ``outstanding service to hockey in the United  States''. The award is selected each year by a committee representing a  wide cross-section of the hockey community.   91-92 1st All-Star Team: Patrick Roy (G, Mon), Ray Bourque (D, Bos),  Brian Leetch (D, NYR), Mark Messier (C, NYR), Brett Hull (RW, StL), Kevin  Stevens (LW, Pit)   92-93 All-Star Game Starters (as voted by fans): Wales Conference: Mario Lemieux (C, Pittsburgh), Jaromir Jagr (W,  Pittsburgh), Kevin Stevens (W, Pittsburgh), Ray Bourque (D, Boston), Brian  Leetch (D, Rangers), Patrick Roy, (G, Montreal). Campbell Conference: Steve Yzerman (C, Detroit), Brett Hull (W, St.  Louis), Pavel Bure (W, Vancouver), Chris Chelios (D, Chicago), Paul Coffey  (D, Los Angeles), Ed Belfour (G, Chicago)   91-92 All-rookie team: Gilbert Dionne (LW, Mon), Tony Amonte (RW, NYR),  Kevin Todd (C, NJ), Vladimir Konstantinov (D, Det), Nicklas Lidstrom (D,  Det), Dominik Hasek (G, Chi).   1992 Hall of Fame Inductees: Marcel Dionne, Bob Gainey, Lanny McDonald,  and Woody Dumart.   First round of the 1992 entry draft:   # Player (pos, team)   1 Roman Hamrlik (D, TB)   2 Alexei Yashin (C, Ott)   3 Mike Rathje (D, SJ)   4 Todd Warriner (LW, Que)   5 Darius Kasparaitis (D, NYI)   6 Cory Stillman (C, Cal)   7 Ryan Sittler (LW, Phi)   8 Brandon Convery (C, Tor)   9 Robert Petrovicky (C, Har)  10 Andrei Nazarov (LW, SJ)  11 David Cooper (D, Buf)  12 Sergei Krivokrasov (LW, Chi)  13 Joe Hulbig (LW, Edm)  14 Sergei Gonchar (D, Was)  15 Jason Bowen (LW, Phi)  16 Dmitri Kvartalnov (LW, Bos)  17 Sergei Bautin (D, Win)  18 Jason Smith (D, NJ)  19 Martin Straka (C, Pit)  20 David Wilkie (D, Mon)  21 Libor Polasek (C, Van)  22 Curtis Bowen (LW, Det)  23 Grant Marshall (RW, Tor)  24 Peter Ferraro (C, NYR)  -----  - New NHL Rules   Game ejection for instigating a fight.  Helmets are optional.  Grabbing an opponent's stick as a defensive move is a penalty.  Diving to draw a penalty is a penalty.  Coincidental minors when both teams are full-strength result in 4 vs. 4  play.  High sticking is from the waist up.   - New CBA - ratified by NHLPA on 4/11/92    Term: September 16, 1991 to September 15, 1993.    Licensing and endorsements: Players own exclusive rights to their  individual personality, including their likenesses.    Salary arbitration: New rules negotiated; 8 salary arbitrators to be  jointly agreed upon.    Free agency: Compensation scale reduced for players age 30 and under.  Group III free agent age reduced to 30 from 31. A player who has completed  10 or more professional seasons (minor or NHL) and who in last year of  contract didn't earn more than the average NHL salary, can elect once in  his career to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of his  contract.    Salary and awards: Players' playoff fund increased to $7.5M in 1991-92 &  $9M in 92-93. New minimum salary of $100,000.    Insurance: $200,000 disability coverage. Dental & broad-based medical  improvements. 100% increase in life insurance for players; coverage for  wives.    Pension: Improved pension contributions of $8000 to $12500 per player per  year, depending on the player's number of NHL games. Agreement on language  to guarantee continuation of Security Plan negotiated in 1986.    Regular season: Increased from 80 to 84 games in 92-93. For 2 games  played at neutral sites, all arrangements and revenues to be shared.    Rosters: Kept at 18 skaters and 2 goaltenders for 92-93.    Entry draft: Reduced to 11 rounds from 12.    Supplemental draft: One selection for each non-playoff team.    Joint study group: Examine financial state of NHL & issue report to  assist in preparing for 1993 negotiations  -----    NHL free agency categories (effective until 9/15/93)   Group I:   - players aged 24 and under   - player's choice of player equalization or draft pick compensation   - for compensation, old club has right to match offer from new club   - for equalization, old club has no right to match offer   - equalization, which can consist of players, draft picks, and/or cash,     must be agreed upon between two clubs or submitted to arbitration   Group II:   - players aged 25 to 29   - player's choice of player equalization or draft pick compensation   - for equalization, old club has right to match offer only if it is     at least $351,000   - for compensation, schedule is:     one first round pick if player signs for $350,000-$500,000/year     two first round picks if player signs for $500,000-$1 million/year     extra first round pick for each additional $1M over $1M/year   Group III:   - players aged 30 and over   - old club gets no compensation, but has right to match offer   - to receive right to match, old club must make qualifying offer of 15%     over player's salary in prior season   Group IV:   - players considered defected free agents   Group V:   - player with 10 years of experience whose salary is below NHL average     can choose to be a free agent without compensation once in his career.   --------------------------------------------------------------------------   2. NHL Minor Leagues   The NHL minor leagues are the International Hockey League, the American  Hockey League and the East Coast Hockey League.  Information on the  Central Hockey League and the American Hockey Association can be found in  section 4.  -----    IHL    contacts:   IHL: Rob Springall <rgs7077@ultb.isc.rit.edu>   Atlanta Knights: Scott Clarkson <gt3394c@prism.gatech.edu>   Cincinnati Cyclones: Joseph Combs <jgcombs@uceng.UC.EDU>   Cleveland Lumberjacks: Rob Gasser <CSRAG@uoft02.utoledo.edu>   Ft. Wayne Komets: Rob Gasser <CSRAG@uoft02.utoledo.edu> **   Milwaukee Admirals: Jason Hanson <jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu>   Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Roland Behunin <behunin@logdis1.oo.aflc.af.mil>    The International Hockey League has granted a franchise to a Las Vegas  group headed by Henry Stickney for the 1993-1994 season.  **         The International Hockey League named Bob Chase. voice of the Fort  Wayne Komets, as the league's broadcaster of the year. The IHL also said  the annual award, effective next year, will be named in Chase's honor.         Also honored by the IHL were Jim Loria of the Kansas City Blades  as marketing director of the year, Shelly Gartner of the Phoenix  Roadrunners as merchandise manager of the year and Steve Doherty of the  Kalamazoo Wings as public relations director of the year.  **         The Atlanta Knights of the International Hockey League announced  Thursday, April 8, that Manon Rheaume will be the starting goaltender in a  home game Saturday night, April 10, against the Cincinnati Cyclones.  Rheaume will become the first female to start in a regular season  professional hockey game.  ** Fort Wayne -- Announced winger Scott Gruhl will retire at the end of the  International Hockey League season. Gruhl will join the Muskegon Fury of  the Colonial League. **   The Fort Wayne Komets said they have been told by Winnipeg that the Jets  will keep a minor league affiliation with Moncton of the American Hockey  League. There have been reports the Jets would move players from Moncton  to Fort Wayne next season.  **   The San Diego Gulls of the International Hockey League set a record with  their 61st victory, 5-1, over the Salt Lake Golden Eagles. The Gulls (61- 11-8) became the first team in professional hockey to win that many games  in a season. The 1976-77 Montreal Canadiens won 60 games.    IHL's 1992 Turner Cup: The Kansas City Blades defeated Muskegon  Lumberjacks 4 games to 0.  -----    AHL   contacts:   AHL: Rob Springall <rgs7077@ultb.isc.rit.edu>        Bri Farenell <farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>        Mark Anania <ananim@rpi.edu>  See Section 5 for newsletter information.   Atlantic Division: Cape Breton, Fredericton, Halifax, Moncton, St. John's  Northern Division: Adirondack, Capital District, Providence, New Haven,  Springfield  Southern Division: Baltimore, Binghamton, Hershey, Rochester, Utica,  Hamilton         The New Haven Senators have been sold by Peter Shipman to the  Ottawa Senators NHL organization. They are the only Canadian NHL team with  an American AHL affiliate, and have made it clear they intend to move the  team to somewhere in the Canadian Atlantic Provinces. This sale and move  has yet to be approved by the AHL head office, but is expected to pass  easily at the general meeting in May.   The Baltimore Skipjacks, the Washington Capitals' American Hockey League  affliate, will skate next season as the Portland Pirates.   The Calgary Flames will base their farm team in the AHL in St. John, New  Brunswick next season.  The team will be called the St. John Blue Flames. **   The Fort Wayne Komets of the IHL said they have been told by Winnipeg of  the NHL that the Jets will keep a minor league affiliation with Moncton of  the American Hockey League. There have been reports the Jets would move  players from Moncton to Fort Wayne next season.    AHL's 1992 Calder Cup: The Adirondack Red Wings beat the St. John's  Maple Leafs 4 games to 3. The home-ice curse held true as all games in the  final were won by the visiting team.    John Anderson (New Haven) is 1992 winner of Les Cunningham Plaque as AHL  MVP.   -----    ECHL  contacts:   ECHL, Toledo Storm: Rob Gasser <CSRAG@uoft02.utoledo.edu>          The Toledo Storm hockey team is asking SeaGate Convention Center  to consider becoming its host site beginning with the 1994-95 season. The  Storm, which has played its last two seasons in the Toledo Sports Arena,  said it asked for 55 dates in the downtown facility. The Storm also has  been talking with backers of a proposed ice complex in suburban Sylvania  to become a primary tenant.   ECHL's 1992 Riley Cup: Hampton Roads beat Louisville 4 games to 0.  See Section 5 for newsletter information.  -----    Minor League Affiliates for NHL teams:    Bos: Providence Bruins (AHL), Johnstown Chiefs (ECHL)  Buf: Rochester Americans (AHL), Erie Panthers (ECHL)  Cal: Salt Lake Golden Eagles (IHL), Roanoke Valley Rebels (ECHL)  Chi: Indianapolis Ice (IHL), Columbus Chill (ECHL), St. Thomas (Col. HL)  Det: Adirondack Red Wings (AHL), Toledo Storm (ECHL)  Edm: Cape Breton Oilers (AHL), Winston-Salem Thunderbirds (ECHL)  Har: Springfield Indians (AHL), Louisville Icehawks (ECHL)  LA : Phoenix Roadrunners (IHL), Raleigh Icecaps (ECHL)  Min: Kalamazoo Wings (IHL), Dayton Bombers (ECHL)  Mon: Fredericton Canadiens (AHL), Winston-Salem Thunderbirds (ECHL),  Flint (Col. HL)  NJ : Utica Devils (AHL), Birmingham Bulls (ECHL)  NYI: Capital District Islanders (AHL), Richmond Renegades (ECHL)  NYR: Binghamton Rangers (AHL)  Ott: New Haven Senators (AHL), Thunder Bay (Col. HL)  Phi: Hershey Bears (AHL)  Pit: Cleveland Lumberjacks (IHL), Knoxville Cherokees (ECHL)  Que: Halifax Citadels (AHL), Greensboro Monarchs (ECHL)  SJ : Kansas City Blades (IHL), Nashville Knights (ECHL)  StL: Peoria Rivermen (IHL), Dayton Bombers (ECHL), Flint (Col. HL)  TB : Atlanta Knights (IHL)  Tor: St. John's Maple Leafs (AHL), Raleigh Icecaps (ECHL), Brantford  (Col. HL)  Van: Columbus Chill (ECHL), Hamilton Canucks (AHL)  Was: Baltimore Skipjacks (AHL), Hampton Roads Admirals (ECHL)  Win: Moncton Hawks (AHL), Thunder Bay (Col. HL)    Ind: Cincinnati Cyclones (IHL)       Fort Wayne Komets (IHL)       Michigan Falcons (Colonial HL)       Milwaukee Admirals (IHL)       San Diego Gulls (IHL)       St. Thomas (Colonial HL)  --------------------------------------------------------------------------   3. College Hockey   contacts:   NCAA: Mike Machnik <nin15b34@merrimack.edu>   Wisconsin Badgers: Jeff Horvath <horvath@cs.wisc.edu>   CCHA, Bowling Green State: Keith Instone <instone@euclid.bgsu.edu>   ECAC, Clarkson: Bri Farenell <farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu>  - e-mail lists:  Wayne Smith <wts@maine.maine.edu> maintains 2 lists, one for discussions  (HOCKEY-L) and one for news (HOCKEY-D):    send e-mail to <listserv@maine.maine.edu> with body:  SUBSCRIBE HOCKEY-L <name & favorite team>  or  SUBSCRIBE HOCKEY-D <name>    (a read-only list containing news from HOCKEY-L)  Up-to-date Division I standings and scores can be obtained through the  archives of the College Hockey Mailing List.  Send a message to the server  at listserv@maine.maine.edu with the body containing ONLY the commands  (either or both)   - ftp site: andy.bgsu.edu   The directory "pub/Hockey" contains CCHA press releases, scores,  standings, and rosters. The sub-directory "Archives" has archives of the  Division I college hockey mailing list since 1989. Also, archives from the  Division III list since May 1992 are available.    NCAA hockey championship: Semi-finals:  Maine 4, Michigan 3 (OT)               Lake Superior State 6, Boston University 1 Finals:  Maine 5, Lake Superior State 4    Freshman Paul Kariya who was named winner of the 1992-93 Hobey Baker  Award as college hockey's top player.  **   The NCAA Division I Hockey Championships will be held at the St. Paul  Civic Center in St. Paul, Minnesota, on March 31 and April 2, 1994.   For priority seating call the University of Minnesota Ticket Office at  (612) 624-8080, between 8:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m., Monday through Friday or  send a postcard to:  University of Minnesota Ticket Office 1994 NCAA Hockey Championships 516 15th Avenue SE Minneapolis  MN  55455  - NCAA Division I Teams    CCHA (Central Collegiate Hockey Association): Bowling Green, Ferris State, Illinois-Chicago, Lake Superior, Miami,  Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Western Michigan, Notre Dame, Kent  State, Alaska-Fairbanks (affiliate member )           CCHA Playoff structure:  The top 6 will host the bottom 6 (1 vs  12, 2 vs 11, etc) in a two-of-three weekend series The six winners will  advance to Joe Louis Arena for single elimination the rest of the way. The  top 2 remaining seeds get a bye while 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5 on the first  night. On the second night, the 4 remaining teams battle it out, leaving  only two to play for the championship, on the third night. Alaska- Fairbanks, as an affiliate member, will be seeded from #7 to #12 by the  league office.   ECAC (Eastern College Athletic Conference) (men's): Brown, Clarkson, Colgate, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, RPI, St.  Lawrence, Union, Vermont, Yale   ECAC (Eastern College Athletic Conference) (women's): Brown, Colby, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, New Hampshire, Northeastern,  Princeton, Providence, Rochester Institute of Technology, St. Lawrence,  Yale          The Eastern Collegiate Athletic Conference unveiled the nation's  first intercollegiate women's ice hockey league and announced the 12 teams  will begin play in the 1993-94 season. The top eight finishers in the ECAC  Women's Ice Hockey League will qualify for a post-season tournament. The  league replaces an informal 15-team conference of nine Division I and six  Division III schools, which held their own respective division tournaments  at the end of the regular season. The ECAC said it would discontinue its  Division III women's tournament after the 1992-93 season.   Hockey East: Boston College, Boston University, UMass-Lowell, Maine, Merrimack, New  Hampshire, Northeastern, Providence    WCHA (Western Collegiate Hockey Association): Colorado College, Denver, Michigan Tech, Minnesota, Minnesota-Duluth,  North Dakota, Northern Michigan, St Cloud, Wisconsin   Alaska-Anchorage has joined the WCHA as a full-fledged member for 93-94    Independents: Air Force, Alabama-Huntsville, Alaska-Anchorage, Alaska-Fairbanks, Army  -----   - Canadian Intercollegiate Athletic Union   CIAU Championships:  Finalists:  Team:                                         Division:  University of Alberta Golden Bears            West  University of Guelph Gryphons                 Ontario West  University of Toronto Varsity Blues           Ontario East  University of Acadia Axemen                   East   Semi-finals:  Acadia 9, Alberta 4                Toronto 3, Guelph  2  Finals:  Acadia 12, Toronto 1  --------------------------------------------------------------------------   4. Other Hockey Leagues    - 1992 World Championships in Czechoslovakia    Sweden defeated Finland 5-2 (gold medal match)  Czechoslovakia defeated Switzerland 5-2 (bronze medal match)    Final Standings (round robin):    GROUP A   W T L  GF GA Pts   GROUP B  W T L  GF GA PTS  Finland   5 0 0  32  8  10   Russia   4 1 0  23 10   9  Germany   4 0 1  30 14   8   Czech    4 0 1  18  7   8  USA       2 1 2  14 15   5   Switz    2 2 1  12 11   6  Sweden    1 2 2  14 12   4   Canada   2 1 2  15 18   5  Italy     1 1 3  10 18   3   Norway   1 0 4   8 16   2  Poland    0 0 5   8 41   0   France   0 0 5   8 22   0    Austria will replace Poland in Pool A of 1993 WC in Germany     The 1993 World Championships (Pool A) is scheduled to run from Apr 18 to  May 2 in Munich, Germany.  ----- **  - 1993 World Championships (Pool B) in Eindhoven, the Netherlands                      #g    w l t    pts      gf    ga 1. Great Britain     7    7 0 0    14       50    13 2. Poland            7    6 1 0    12       71    12 3. Netherlands       7    5 2 0    10       47    20 4. Denmark           7    4 3 0     8       38    24 5. Japan             7    3 4 0     6       34    31 6. Romania           7    2 5 0     4       20    44 7. China             7    1 6 0     2       12    79 8. Bulgaria          7    0 7 0     0        9    58  Great Britain advances to Pool A.  Bulgaria is relegated to Pool C.  -----    - 1992 Olympic Games ** - e-mail lists:  Charlie Slavin <slavin@maine.maine.edu> maintains OlymPuck - The Olympic  Hockey Discussion List:    send e-mail to <listserv@maine.maine.edu> with body: SUBSCRIBE   OlymPuck   your_name   favorite country(ies)   CIS won the gold, Canada the silver, and Czechoslovakia the bronze  (defeated USA).    Yale hockey coach Tim Taylor was named coach for the '94 US Olympic Team.    Dany Dube from the UQTR Patriotes (CIAU) and Tom Renney from the Kamloops  Blazers (WHL) are co-coaches of Canada's national program.       The 1998 Nagano Winter Olympic Organizing Committee said it has  approved the addition of women's ice hockey and curling to the list of  official medal events at the Games.  The decision, which came at the  organizing committee meeting here, followed an accord reached in Nagano  between the committee and the IOC Coordination Committee.  The decision  will be formally ratified by an Executive Board meeting of the  International Olympic Committee (IOC) and its Session.  As a result, the  number of total events at Nagano will increase to 64 in seven sports.  -----   - 1991 Canada Cup    Team Canada defeated Team USA 2 games to 0.   -----   - 1992 Izvestia hockey tournament   Final:  Russia II - Czechoslovakia  2-1  Game for 3rd and 4th place:  Russia I - Sweden  4-1  Game for 5th and 6th place:  Finland - Switzerland  3-1  Game for 7th and 8th place:  Canada - Germany  6-1   Final Standings for the 25th Izvestia Cup:   1. Russia II (the Russian Olympic team)   2. Czechoslovakia   3. Russia I   4. Sweden   5. Finland   6. Switzerland   7. Canada   8. Germany  -----  - 1992 Germany Cup          Russia defeated Team Canada 6-3 to win the $170,000 four-team  Germany Cup for the third time. The Russian team, coached for the first  time by the legendary Boris Michailov, assured itself of the $67,000  winner's check after a 3-1 win over Czechoslovakia. The former Soviet  Union and Commonwealth of Independent States captured the tournament in  1988 and 1991 under Viktor Tikhonov.  -----  - 1992 Spengler Cup          Canada, with Fabian Joseph scoring his second goal of the game at  3:47 of overtime, beat Farjestad (Sweden) 6-5 in the final of the Spengler  Cup at Davos, Switzerland. The Canadians overcame a two-goal deficit in  the final two minutes of regulation and went on to earn their second  overtime victory within 15 hours.   Final:   Team Canada - Farjestad (Sweden)  6-5 (1-1,2-2,2-2,1-0)  OT  -----  - 1992 European cup finals  Duesseldorf, December 30, 1992  Bronze:  Jokerit Helsinki - Lions Milano 4-2.  Gold:  Malmoe IF - Dynamo Moscow 4-3 (Shootout)    This was the third successive European championship for a Swedish team:  in 1990 and 1991 the champion was Djurgaarden (Stockholm).  -----  - 1993 Sweden Hockey Games **  Final Standings:                       GP  W T L  GF-GA      P  1. Sweden            3  2 0 1  13- 8  +5  4  2. Czech Republic    3  2 0 1  16-11  +5  4  3. Russia            3  1 1 1   9-11  -2  3  4. Canada            3  0 1 2  13-21  -8  1   Sweden wins due to head-to-head result vs the Czech republic.  -----   - Junior Leagues    contact:   WHL: Randy Coulman <coulman@skdad.usask.ca>        Mitch McGowan <hamlet@u.washington.edu>          The site for the 75th Memorial Cup Tournament has yet to be  chosen.  It will be staged in Ontario but the exact location won't be  determined until next spring.         In March of '93, the two regular-season division champions from  the Ontario Hockey League will meet in a best-of-seven series at the start  of the playoff season.  The winner of the series earns the right to host  the Memorial Cup, traditionally held in May.         The eventual OHL champion will also participate in the tourney.  But if the league champs also happen to be the club hosting the Memorial  Cup, then the league finalists will advance as well."   Charles Poulin (Mon draft) of St-Hyacinthe (QMJHL) is '92 Canadian Hockey  League Player of the Year.    1992 Memorial Cup at Seattle    Round-robin standings              W  L  GF  GA  Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL)  3  0  14   8  Kamloops Blazers (WHL)             2  1  10   7  Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL host)    1  2   9  10  Verdun College Francais (QMJHL)    0  3   5  13     Semifinal   Kamloops 8  Seattle 3  Final       Kamloops 5  Sault Ste. Marie 4   -----   - Central Hockey League    contact:   Marc Foster <mfoster@metgem.gcn.uoknor.edu>               <mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu>   Ted Wollnik <twollnik@rdxsun11.aud.alcatel.com>  See Section 5 for newsletter information.   CHL: Fort Worth Fire, Wichita Thunder, Dallas Freeze, Tulsa Oilers, Memphis  River Kings, Oklahoma City Blazers    Six non-affiliated teams play a 60 game schedule extending from early  November to mid March. Each team is owned by the league, with local  interests controlling day to day operations. Each team has a $100,000  salary cap for 17 total players (16 dress up). Unlike the ECHL, players  are not limited to three years in the league.   A Western Division may be added to the Central Hockey League for the 93- 94 season if the plans of CHL president Ray Miron materialize.  Miron  confirmed that El Paso, Amarillo, Tuscon, and Albuquerque are cities under  consideration for the Western Division, which would play some interlocking  games with the Eastern Division.  Meanwhile, San Antonio and Houston are  close to being confirmed as the league's newest members.  -----   - Major League Hockey           A new hockey league with franchises throughout the United States  and Canada will begin play in the fallof 1993, officials announced  Wednesday, February 10.         Major League Hockey was founded by Roy Boe, former president of  the New York Islanders of the National Hockey League and the New York/New  Jersey Nets of the American and National Basketball associations.         According to Boe, the league will debut with six to eight teams  playing a schedule of approximately 80 games. Franchise applications have  been received from groups in Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Detroit,  Houston, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Phoenix, San Francisco, Saskatoon, Toronto  and Worcester, Mass., Boe said.         Although the league will not raid existing leagues to stock its  rosters, Boe said it will seek the ``world's finest hockey players.''         Boe said league play will have an international flair and  discussed implementing some rules which are reminiscent of those of the  IIHF.         ``We're removing the red line, moving the goal nets forward and  eliminating all tie games,'' said Boe.         The MLH office will operate out of Stamford, Conn.  -----   - British Premier Division:    contacts:   Neil A. McGlynn: <nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk> (from NA)                    <nmcglynn@uk.co.bt.axion> (from Europe)   Steve Salvini: <steve@cs.hw.ac.uk>    Contact Steve for the GB USENET draft.   e-mail list: send e-mail to <uk-hockey-request@cee.hw.ac.uk> to  subscribe.   Durham Wasps defeated Nottingham Panthers 7-6 in '92 British championship  game.   -----   - Finnish Elite League (SM-LIIGA):   contacts:   Juha Koivisto & Kimmo Kauranen  <hockey@tac.fi>   Vesa J Pyyluoma <veikko@vipunen.hut.fi>  Final standings 91-92:   1) Jokerit, Helsinki 2) JyP HT, Jyvaskyla  3) HIFK, Helsinki   4) Assat, Pori       5) TPS, Turku         6) Lukko, Rauma   7) KalPa, Kuopio     8) HPK, Hameenlinna   9) Ilves, Tampere   10) Reipas, Lahti   11) Tappara, Tampere  12) JoKP, Joensuu   JoKP dropped and Kiekko-Espoo from Espoo qualified to the SM-LIIGA  Individual stats leaders 91-92:   Points:  Makela Mikko, TPS      25+45=70   (+ playoffs:  2+3=5 )   Scoring: Selanne Teemu, Jokerit 39+23=62   (+ playoffs: 10+7=17)  All Stars 91-92:   Briza Petr (Lukko),  Virta Hannu (TPS),  Laurila Harri (JyP HT),   Makela Mikko (TPS),  Janecky Otakar (Jokerit),  Selanne Teemu (Jokerit)  -----   - German Hockey League:    contact:   Andreas Stockmeier <stocki@cs.tu-berlin.de> or <stocki@tub.UUCP>    Duesseldorfer Eishockey-Gemeinschaft defeated SB Rosenheim in '92 German  final  -----   - Swedish Elite League (Elitserien):   contact:   Staffan Axelsson <etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se>  **  1992-93 regular season final standings:  1. Vasteras      2. Brynas        3. Malmo         4. Farjestad  5. MoDo          6. Lulea         7. Leksand       8. Djurgarden  9. HV 71        10. Rogle        11. Frolunda     12. AIK   Brynas defeated Lulea 3 games to 2 for the 1993 Swedish hockey  championship.  -----    - Swiss First Division:   Kloten became the 1992-93 champions of the Swiss League Nationale A by beating Fribourg-Gotteron 4-2 to sweep the final series 3-0.  -----    - 1992 Women's World Championships at Finland   1 Canada, 2 USA, 3 Finland, 4 Sweden, 5 China, 6 Norway, 7 Denmark,    8 Switzerland   -----   1993 World Junior Hockey Championships at Sweden   Final Standings:                     GP  W T L  GF-GA  +/-   P  1. Canada          7  6 0 1  37-17  +20  12  2. Sweden          7  6 0 1  53-15  +38  12  3. Czechoslovakia  7  4 1 2  38-27  +11   9  4. USA             7  4 0 3  32-23  + 9   8  5. Finland         7  3 1 3  31-20  +11   7  6. Russia          7  2 2 3  26-20  + 6   6  7. Germany         7  1 0 6  16-37  -21   2  8. Japan           7  0 0 7   9-83  -74   0   Canada wins gold due to head-to-head result vs Sweden.  --------------------------------------------------------------------------   5. Info available via e-mail    When requesting items via e-mail please include your preferred address  in the body of the message.  Sometimes the reply-to address is not a good  thing to go by.   - ftp site: wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4)         In directory /doc/misc/sports/nhl there are some new hockey files.         Get the README file for information and contents.  ---   - E-mail lists:    List Topic (Freq.)                      To Subscribe  Boston Bruins                           bruins-request@cs.Usask.CA      List Address                        bruins@cs.Usask.CA  Buffalo Sabres                          sabres-request@potter.csh.rit.edu      List Address                        sabres@potter.csh.rit.edu  Los Angeles Kings                       kings-request@cs.stanford.edu      List Address                        kings@cs.stanford.edu **  Montreal Canadiens                      habs-request@janus.sdsu.edu      List Address                        habs@janus.sdsu.edu  Philadelphia Flyers                     seth@hos1cad.att.com  Pittsburgh Penguins                     gp2f+@andrew.cmu.edu      List Address                        gp2f@andrew.cmu.edu  St. Louis Blues                         jca2@cec1.wustl.edu  San Jose Sharks                         sharks-request@medraut.apple.com      List Address                        sharks@medraut.apple.com  Tampa Bay Lightning                     wilson@cs.ucf.edu  Vancouver Canucks                       boey@sfu.ca      List Address                        vancouver-canucks@sfu.ca  Washington Capitals                     david@eng.umd.edu      List Address                        caps@monster.umd.edu  NHL Boxscores (M-F)                     bks@cbnewsh.cb.att.com  NHL Boxscores (S-S)                     jpc@philabs.philips.com  NHL Goalie Stats (d)                    coulman@cs.Usask.CA  NHL Scores (n)                          wilson@cs.ucf.edu  NHL Team Stats (w)                      wilson@cs.ucf.edu  AHL Newsletter                          ahl-news-request@hamlet.cmu.edu      List Address                        ahl-news@hamlet.cmu.edu  ECHL Newsletter                         echl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu      List Address                        echl-news@andrew.cmu.edu  US College Hockey                       (see section 3)  NCAA Division III Hockey                hockey3-request@hooville.mitre.org      List Address                        hockey3@request.mitre.org  CHL Newsletter                          mfoster@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu  British League                          uk-hockey-request@uk.ac.hw.cs ** Olympic Hockey                           (see section 4)   Freq: M-F=Monday-Friday, S-S=Saturday-Sunday, d=daily, n=nightly,  w=weekly    If you have something interesting, make it available. When requesting,  use the keyword in the body or subject. Also, specify team, date, etc.,  where applicable.    Available from Eric Rickin <ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu>:  Keyword    Description  AHLADDR    AHL team addresses  CANJUNIORS Canada junior teams  NHLTV      TV stations for each team  NHLRADIO   Radio stations for each team  USJUNIORS  US junior teams  XXXXDRAFT  XXXX (for XXXX=1989-1992) NHL Entry Draft  1991EXP    1991 NHL Expansion & Dispersal Draft    Available from Rob Springall <rgs7077@ultb.isc.rit.edu>:  Keyword    Description  AHL        Up-to-date info on the AHL  IHL        Up-to-date info on the IHL  NHL.C      A C program that prints the 91-92 NHL schedule for a specified              day    Available from Stan Willis <willis@empire.dnet.hac.com>:  Keyword    Description  ATTEND     91-92 NHL team home attendance report by quarters  PSLOGOS    NHL team logos in PostScript    Available from David Anthony Wyatt <wyatt@ccu.umanitoba.ca>:  Keyword    Description  ALLLIST    All-time List of Professional Hockey Franchises    Available from Roland Behunin <behunin@logdis1.oo.aflc.af.mil>:  Keyword    Description  SATINFO    Satellite info for NHL teams    Available from Mike Machnik <nin15b34@merrimack.edu>:  Keyword    Description  DIV1SCHED  92-93 NCAA Division I scores  Mike can also provide a schedule for any of the 46 Division I teams to  people who ask.  E-mail him for details.   Available from Bill Clare <Clare@Kodak.COM>:  Keyword    Description  RETIRED    List of retired numbers for NHL players    Available from Staffan Axelsson <etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se>:  Keyword    Description  WCMEDALS   World Championships Medalists 1920-1992  WCSTAND    World Championships All-Time Standings, Pool A 1920-1992  WCALSTAR   World Championships All-Star Teams 1961-1992  WCROSTXX   World Championships Gold Winning Teams' Rosters 1958-1992              (Specify XX=58-92)  WJHC       History of medals given at the World Junior Hockey              Championships  WJHCSTAT   Team and player stats from the World Junior Hockey              Championships.   Available from Paul Brownlow <paul@data-io.com>:  Keyword    Description  CHLPOY     Past Canadian Hockey League players of the year  MEMCUP     Past Memorial Cup winners   Available from <wilson@cs.ucf.edu>:  To use the statsmailer, send e-mail to "wilson@cs.ucf.edu" with subject  "statsmailer" and a body containing the word HELP to receive a list of  allowable commands. Things available: NHL team/league schedules/calendars,  a plethora of team statistics, scores of games, and some assorted hockey  files. Seasons 1988-1992 available. New material was added on 1/19/93.   Available from Mitch McGowan <hamlet@u.washington.edu>  Keyword    Description  ROSTERS    1993 NHL All-Star Game rosters  NHLLEAD    1991-92 NHL Leaders (Scoring, Goals, Assists, Power-play              goals, Short-handed goals, Game-winning goals, Shots, Goals-             against average, Victories, Save percentage, Shutouts)  ZAMBONI    Alan Thicke's "Book of Zamboni" opening from the 1991 NHL               Awards broadcast   Available from Matt Militzok <mmilitzo@skidmore.edu>  Keyword    Description  STATS      Up-to-date NHL statistics   Available from Harry Peltz <hbpeltz@mailbox.syr.edu>  Keyword    Description  SCORES     Compilation of NHL scores for the current month (in compressed  and uuencoded format) Dates can also be specified for specific box scores, but try not to  request too many at one time (Max 5 box scores or three days).   Available from Richard Stueven <gak@wrs.com>  Keyword    Description  DIRECT     Current NHL directory file   Available from Michael Burger <mmb@lamar.colostate.edu>  Keyword    Description  TVINFO     TV/Radio stations for all teams along with network              information.  Up-to-date Division I standings and scores can be obtained through the  archives of the College Hockey Mailing List.  Send a message to the server  at listserv@maine.maine.edu with the body containing ONLY the commands  (either or both)  GET 9293CONF STAND (for all Division I conference standings) GET 9293COMP SCHEDULE (for a full-season listing of Division I scores)  The schedule is about 1000 lines long and the standings file is about 50  lines.  These files are updated more-or-less weekly around Monday.   Contact Mike Machnik (nin15b34@merrimack.edu) with any questions. --------------------------------------------------------------------------   6. USENET Hockey Pool    send e-mail to <andrew@idacom.hp.com>.   --------------------------------------------------------------------------    7. Up-coming Dates   Apr 18 - May 2: The 1993 World Championships (Pool A), Munich, Germany.  Jun 26: NHL entry draft, Quebec City, Quebec.  Feb 12 - Feb 27, 1994: XVII Olympic Winter Games, Lillehammer, Norway.  --------------------------------------------------------------------------    8. Answers to some frequently asked questions:    Q: Why are the Montreal Canadiens called the Habs?  A: Most of the team during the 40-50's was made up of people who lived in  and around Montreal. Hence they were called "Les Habitants" (natives of  Montreal). This was then shortened to the Habs.    Q: Why is the Montreal Canadiens logo a large C with an H within it?  A: In 1914-15, the Canadiens logo consisted of C with an A within it to  signify Club Athletique Canadien (CAC). The next year, CAC no longer  existed and it was changed to what it is now to signify Club de Hockey.   Q: What is the most informative hockey publication?  A: The Hockey News is preferred by most North American hockey fans. It is  a weekly journal with up-to-date info. Phone: 800-268-7793 (Canada and US) Phone/fax: 0483 776141 (UK and rest of Europe)    Q: How does a 5-minute power-play count in the penalty killing stats in  the NHL?  A: If X goals are scored, then the team gets credit for X goals in X+1  chances.    Q: How is +/- computed in the NHL?  A: First, +/- only applies to skaters. Except for a power-play goal, when  a goal is scored, each skater on the ice for the scoring team is given a  +, and each skater on the ice for the other team is given a -. Short- handed goals do count for +/-.    Q: What is the five-hole?  A: The space between a goalie's pads. There are five major scoring zones:  (1) upper left corner of goal, (2) upper right, (3) lower left, (4) lower  right, and (5) five-hole.    Q: What is the meaning of throwing an octopus on the ice?  A: This tradition began in Detroit in the 1950's when two best-of-seven  series were required to win the Stanley Cup. Every time Detroit won a  game, an octopus with one less arm was thrown on the ice.   Q: Who was the first woman to play in an NHL game?  A: Manon Rheaume, a 20-year-old goaltender, became the first woman ever  to play in an NHL game on September 23, 1992 when she started in net for  the expansion Tampa Bay Lightning in an exhibition against the St. Louis  Blues. Rheaume played the first period before 8,223 at the 10,400-seat  Expo Hall on the Florida State Fairgrounds and allowed two goals on nine  shots. She left with the score tied 2-2, although the Lightning ultimately  lost the game, 6-4.   Q: What is the richest contract in NHL history?  A: Mario Lemieux, the superstar center of the Pittsburgh Penguins, signed  the richest contract in NHL history, a seven-year deal believed to be  worth about $42 million. Lemieux will earn between $6 million and $7  million a year, nearly twice as much as any other player in the league.   Q: Who is the new commissioner of the NHL?  A: Gary Bettman, vice president and general counsel of the National  Basketball Association, was named commissioner of the National Hockey  League, Friday, December 11, 1992. Bettman joined the NBA in 1981 as  assistant general counsel. He became the league's chief legal officer in  September of 1984. A New York resident, Bettman graduated from Cornell  University in 1974 and from New York University School of Law in 1977.   Q: How many professional hockey leagues are there in North America?  A: Six:  National, American, International, East Coast, Central and  Colonial Hockey Leagues.  --------------------------------------------------------------------------   9. Miscellaneous:    For field hockey discussions, go to the newsgroup rec.sport.hockey.field.  For skating discussions, go to the newsgroup rec.skate.    Some sites get another hockey group, called clari.sports.hockey. c.s.h  consists of the UPI feed for all UPI news articles that are related to  hockey, including game results, summaries, scores, standings, etc.  Much  of the information in the NHL team news section comes from this newsgroup.     The rec.sport.hockey Frequently Asked Questions posting is posted semi- monthly, usually on the 1st and 15th of each month, during the hockey  season.  This file was originally created by Tom Wilson, who posted it  during the 1991-92 season.  It was taken over by Mitch McGowan for the  1992-93 season.  --------------------------------------------------------------------------     Please make corrections via e-mail, indicating "r.s.h FAQ" as the  subject line. Feel free to start a discussion on any previously mentioned  topic (but use an appropriate subject line).   Mitch McGowan <hamlet@u.washington.edu>  1  
From: duncans@phoenix.princeton.edu (Duncan Eric Smith) Subject: Verse divisions Organization: Princeton University Lines: 5  I'm wondering if anyone knows the answer to a rather trivial question which I've been thinking about: What was the process used to divide the Bible into verses. I believe Jerome divided the New Testament, but I've never seen any discussion of *how* he did this. It seems rather arbitrary, as opposed to, for example, making each sentence a verse.
From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Distribution: na Lines: 19  In article <C5rHoC.Fty@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes:   >I remeber reading the comment that General Dynamics was tied into this, in  >connection with their proposal for an early manned landing.  Sorry I don't  >rember where I heard this, but I'm fairly sure it was somewhere reputable.  >Anyone else know anything on this angle?  If by that you mean anything on the GD approach, there was an article on it in a recent Avation Week. I don't remember the exact date but it was recent.   Allen  --  +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lady Astor:   "Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"   | | W. Churchill: "Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."             | +----------------------56 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+
From: mlin0432@mailszrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de (Michael Linder) Subject: Windows NT: Help needed with IO error 0x0069 Organization: TUBerlin/ZRZ Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: mailszrz.zrz.tu-berlin.de  Hi everybody out there, I just got the third beta release disk (march 93) of WindowsNT and still am not able to boot up that system. The final step achieved is the display of IO-error 0x0069. But, since this is the beta release of the SDK for NT and not of NT, Microsoft does not include a manual on the OS itself, explaining what this error means of what I can do to get rid of. My configuration is:  Mainboard     Hauppauge 4860-25, rev. A7 (a 486 with socket for i860)               28megs of memory (512k*36,1M*36,2M*36) AMI EISA SCSI controller (15series), latest bios, 16MB cache                ST41200N hard disk               Syquest 555 removable disk               Toshiba 3301 CD ROM drive ProAudio Spectrum Plus 16 Longshine Ethernet card LCS8634 (NE2000 comp.) ET4000 graphics card, 1Meg (ColorImage5) The system is running fine under DOS and Windows 3.1 etc, but trying to do the setup for NT, - automatic setup does not recognize controller (AHA1542-compat.)   when adding manually, NT complains not finging any CD-ROM drive - the manual setup (WINNT) does not copy everything from CD to HD,   does not recognize controller, but takes it manually.   Setup continues until it tries to boot. Then it starts loading   several stuff from disk (seems to fing the HD), but messing up   with that damned IO-Error 69. I took away all IO cards not essential, but that did not make any effect. Anybody got any ideas? Help would be greatly appreciated.  Michael Linder              mlinder@tonet1.physik.tu-berlin.de Institute of Optics Tech. Univ. Berlin, Germany
From: tony@minster.york.ac.uk Subject: Re: Revelations - BABYLON? Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England Lines: 37  Woo! So far, we've had the following interpretations of the figure of the `Whore of Babylon' in Rev 17 & 18:  a) The United States of America b) MHO dB) which was as a figure of the fallen spiritual powers who    corrupt and oppress human society c) Historical Jerusalem d) Historical Rome  Dare I suggest that the passage might be many layered in meaning? How about * The prophecy reveals God's judgement on the corrupt & idolatrous state oppressing his chosen people (d) * That God's judgement extends _especially_ to his once chosen city (c) because, despite that City's special call, it still rejected God's grace at the decisive time (Rev 11:8? - also isn't Rev19:24 equally suggestive of Rome as Jerusalem?) * That the USofA is guilty of many of the crimes of Rome/Babylon (a) and is equally subject to God's judgement * That the Good Book(TM) actually encompasses _all_ these viewpoints by revealing the corrupting spiritual powers warring against mankind through the very society that we've created. (b)  Clever, huh? (<-- Flame here!) No need to argue at all!   I think Mary's view has a lot of sense because there seems to be a deliberate contrast between Rev 17/18 and Rev 21/22 - the mortal Jerusalem chosen by God but never (historically) fulfilling its vocation and the new Jerusalem perfected (outside of history) purely by God's grace. eg Details like Rev 17:1 `.. who sits on many waters' cf Rev 22 the single stream in the new Jersualem `the river of life flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.'  Rex - didn't understand your post - what's the relevance of Babylonian mystery religions to all this? Please elaborate your ideas about OT & the Book of Rev? Why do you freak at the idea of a primarily `spiritual' interpretation of Rev? I'd mail, but I can't get thru: 	unknown or illegal user: REFLEX@FNAL.FNAL.GOV Something you're not telling us?
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: If You Were Pat Burns ... Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 14  Mark D. Whitten <347NFET@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> writes:  >If I were Pat Burns I'd throw in the towel. The wings dominated every >aspect of the game.  Trying to mix up the lines is a dead end.  As the Rangers found out in last year's playoffs, it's too late to try line-juggling at this point.  gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU 			GO  Winnipeg Jets  GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET			Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary Organization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Lines: 74  >[I think you're talking about the "assumption of the Blessed Virgin >Mary".  It says that "The Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin >Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed >body and soul into heavenly glory."  This was defined by a Papal >statement in 1950, though it had certainly been believed by some >before that.  Like the Immaculate Conception, this is primarily a >Roman Catholic doctrine, and like it, it has no direct Biblical >support.  Note that Catholics do not believe in "sola scriptura". >That is, they do not believe that the Bible is the only source of >Christian knowledge.  Thus the fact that a doctrine has little >Biblical support is not necessarily significant to them.  They believe >that truth can be passed on through traditions of the Church, and also >that it can be revealed to the Church.  I'm not interested in yet >another Catholic/Protestant argument, but if any Catholics can tell us >the basis for these beliefs, I think it would be appropriate.  --clh]  In the Bible, there are a lot of instances where God speaks to people, where a person just "came to know" some piece of information, where a person walks off into the desert for "40 days", etc. With all of God's power He certainly can do whatever He wants when He wants it. The Bible "ends" with the book of Revelations. But does God's reign end there ? No. So who can say for sure that God's messages are either no longer happening or still happening ?  I can now hear the clamor for proof. 8-) With the cold response I've gotten from the past from this group, it's very hard to get the point across. I'll only go over the physical stuff so that skeptics can look at documents stored somewhere. I've cited the uncorrupted bodies of saints before. They're still there. 8-) The apparitions at Fatima, Portugal culminated in a miracle specifically granted to show God's existence. That was the spinning/descending of the sun. It was seen in several countries. That event is "approved" by the Pope. Currently, images of Mary in Japan, Korea, Yugoslavia, Philippines, Africa are showing tears (natural or blood). These are still under investigation by the Church. But realize that investigations take decades to finish. And if the message is Christ will come in ten days, that's a bit too late, isn't it 8-). Other events under investigation are inner locutions ("coming to know"), stigmata (the person exhibits Christ's wounds. And they don't heal. And doctor's don't know why). Non-believers are welcome to pore through documents, I'm sure.  This stuff is not like Koresh. Or Oral Roberts (give me $5M or God will call me home). It's free. Find out why they're happening (as we ourselves are studying why). If anybody can figure this out, tell us ! You can be of any religion. If you have the resources, go to one of the countries I mentioned. These are not "members only" events. God and Mary invites  everybody.  So in conclusion (finally) ... We RC's believe in the modern day manifestations of God and Mary. We are scared to death sometimes although we're told not to. There are more proofs and events. And that is why "not everything is in the Bible". Although in a lot of the apparitions, we are told to read the Bible.  As far as the Protestant vs. Catholics issue is concerned... In the end, God's churches will unite. I'm not sure how. I have some idea. But the point is we shouldn't worry about the "versus" part. Just do God's work. That's all that matters. Unity will come.  BTW, I'm just a plain person. I'm not the Pope's spokesperson. But I am RC.  --  ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley                        |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com      | The Lost Los Angelino              |
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) Subject: Re: NHL LETTER (***QUITE LONG***) Organization: HMS Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.med.harvard.edu  In article <1993Apr26.054446.29764@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> phoenix@startide.ctr.columbia.edu (Ali Lemer) writes: > >Hey, everyone, didja hear that? We're "fanatics" now! Cool! Can we get our >own 1400-acre compound, replete with weapon and ammo caches? Who wants a >barbeque? > > >-- Ali.  I can't believe sh*t like this gets any attention in this group during the playoffs.  Ali,you're a blabbering moron. At least you could've waited 'till the end of the playoffs to start your dumb letter campaign.  -PPV Mark
From: finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan) Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.195710.24227 Reply-To: finnegan@navo.navy.mil Distribution: na Organization: Grumman Data Systems Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-19510]: invader.navo.navy.mil  In article <1993Apr6.180456.17573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: |> In article <1993Apr06.133319.7008@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: |> >CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes: |> >> Here are "another" ten reasons why we should all love CR |> >> 10. Car salesmen love their new car buying service |> >> 2. And later on buying a CR "idealized family sedan" |> > |> >And my number 1: |> > |> >1. The spectacle of the religious fervour of the CR "true believers". |>  |> Or the spectacle of "Macho Real Men" who would never bother to read the |> magazine but are more than apt to criticize it.  Hey, I'm a "Macho Real Man" and I DO read it.  So I can criticize it all I want, especially since I pay for the publication. (They accept no outside advertising, don't you know....)  |> John Nielsen   MAGNUS Consultant            ______   ______   __  __	 |> "To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\  __ \ /\  ___\ /\ \/\ \ |> something that happened to other people,   \ \ \/\ \\ \___  \\ \ \_\ \ |> wasn't it?" - The Black Adder               \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\  Relying on Consumer Reports to pick your automobiles is like letting Field & Stream select your living room furniture.  Kenneth finnegan@navo.navy.mil
From: adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Subject: Re: MR2 - noisy engine. Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxa.isc.rit.edu Reply-To: adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology Lines: 31  In article <Apr21.053718.19765@engr.washington.edu>, eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: >In article <1r1vofINN871@usenet.pa.dec.com> tomacj@opco.enet.dec.com (THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !!!) writes: >>	Are there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why >>my MR2's engine sounds noisy? The MR2's engine is noisy at the best of times,  >>but not even a nice nose - it's one of those very ugly noises.  > >assuming yours is a non turbo MR2, the gruffness is characteristic of >a large inline 4 that doesn't have balance shafts.  i guess toyota >didn't care about "little" details like that when they can brag about >the mid engine configuration and the flashy styling. > >myself, i automatically cross out any car from consideration (or >recommendation) which has an inline 4 larger than 2 liters and no >balance shafts..  it is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind if you >ever want a halfway decent engine.   > >if the noise really bugs you, there is nothing else that you can do >except to sell it and get a V6. > > >eliot  Eliot is right about 2.2 liter engine in the second (and last) generation MR2's. But the original guy did not indicate the year of his MR2. If it's a first generation car (like my '85), it has 1.6 liter engine (or perhaps same engine with a supercharger, if it's '87 -'89). The sound he describes is common to any older Toyota engine I ever heard. I don't know the relevance of his observations about oil changes, my simply makes noise. Not all that annoying, mind you. But you hear it well when the engine is right behind your left ear :-) Mike.S
From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) Subject: Re: Who's next?  Mormons and Jews? Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 72  From article <1r0mhtINNa59@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, by dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard): >>Does that include the right to murder little children?  How about killing >>ATF officers?  I do not know much about the gun laws in Texas, but  >>Koresh's folks claimed to have grenades, grenade launchers, and rocket >>launchers.  I am not sure that the NRA feels that this falls under  >>"right to bear arms." >   > If the waco wackos truly had grenade launchers and rocket launchers, why > weren't they used against the armored vehicles that attacked their house? > All the media stated was that small arms (ie, ineffective) fire was used > against them.  I noticed that too.  Special agent (asshole actually) Ricks stated that David Koresh had "explosives that could blow up an armored vehicle 40 feet into the air."  It looked like to me that the BDs had plenty of opportunity to use these explosives---provided that they had them in the first place.  For example, when one of the tanks was injecting CS gas into the ranch house (yes ranch house; the BDs weren't living in a fortress) they could have easily destroyed or disabled that tank because it was idling there for a considerable length of time.  So, why didn't they do this?  Could it be that they didn't have any explosives or similar munitions?  I just don't buy what the ATF and FBI have been saying.  Hopefully, the truth will come out.  Here's something noteworthy:  after the fire had been burning for some time an explosion occurred---just *one* explosion.  The media said that this was some of the explosives that the BDs posessed going off.  I don't think this was the case.  My brother and I noticed that this so-called "explosion" resembled a plume of propane gas being ignited. We figure that this is what it was because of how the "explosion" looked and sounded.  Obviously, it wasn't due to something like TNT, dynamite, or C4.  I have seen a propane explosion before...the explosion in the ranch house greatly resembled this.  Also, I noticed something that looked like a propane tank in the charred ruble the next day.  Isn't it curious that the ATF wasn't very forthcoming about how the four officers got killed?  Many weeks had gone by before they stated that some of the officers had been killed and/or wounded by grenades thrown by the BDs.  Earlier, when someone asked one of the spokespersons about whether or not an autopsy had been performed on the slain agents, they said that an autopsy had been done but THEY WEREN'T READY TO RELEASE THE FINDINGS.  Now why is this?  Does the ATF have something to hide? Perhaps those four agents were killed by friendly fire.  What is the cause of death exactly?  NO ONE HAS EVER SAID WHAT IT IS.  What is certain is this:  ATF agents *did* throw grenades into the compound.  As a matter of fact, Mr. Koresh handed his lawyer a grenade body during one of the lawyer's visits to the compound.  Later on the lawyer gave the grenade body (I don't know if it was a dud or a spent one btw) to the ATF.  How much do you want to bet that this grenade will mysteriously disappear?  At this point in time the only people we know who had grenades was the ATF agents.  Wouldn't it be a shocker if the no one ever found any evidence of grenades, rockets, or explosives in the rubble?  The ATF would sure have egg on their face then.  Note that the ATF is doing the *initial* sweep of the rubble.  The FBI and the Texas Rangers won't investigate until the ATF is done.  This looks like a perfect opportunity for the ATF to make sure that others "find" what they want for them to "find" if you know what I mean.  I'm probably being a little paranoid here but if I am I have could reason to be.  Recall that several weeks had gone by before anyone said that the BDs had used grenades. Also recall that early on the ATF had *denied* that their agents used grenades on the BDs.  Someone is lying here.   Scott Kennedy,  Brewer and Patriot  Before:  "David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets           the Bible through the barrel of a gun..."  --ATF spokesman After:   "[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets           [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..."  --Me 
From: selee@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Lee Say Eng) Subject: Re: microstepping Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 12    You can try SGS L6217A, it can achieve 256 current level(microstep), teere is a circuit in the SGS-THOMSON - " Smart Power Applicatio Manual", order code for the manual is AMSMARTPOWERST/1  Best regards,  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Moi,Siew Hong                 | email: shmoi@hpmalr65.mal.hp.com             | | Hewlett-Packard Malaysia      |                                              | | Bayan Lepas Free Trade Zone,  | Tel : 604-830-611     Fax : 604-843117       | | 11900 Penang, Malaysia        |                                              | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: ernie@ferris (Ernest Smith) Subject: Re: Handgun Restrictions Originator: ernie@ferris Lines: 24 Nntp-Posting-Host: ferris.cray.com Organization: Cray Research Superservers,  Inc. Distribution: usa  >To: bbs.billand@tsoft.net >Subject: Re: Handgun Restrictions >Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns >In-Reply-To: <ow522B2w165w@tsoft.net> >Organization: Cray Research, Inc. >Cc:  >Bcc:  > In article <ow522B2w165w@tsoft.net> you write: >I would like to know what restrictions there are on purchasing handguns  >(ie waiting periods, background check etc..) in the states of Nevada and  >Oregon. Thanks. >                                                -Bill > >-- >Bill Anderson (bbs.billand@tsoft.net)   In Oregon your must get a background check (ie fingerprints, full slap), 15 day waiting period. That is unless you have a CCW then all requirments have been meet.  		Ernie Smith 		ernie@oregon.cray.com
From: ptorre@hardy.u.washington.edu (Phil Torre) Subject: Re: Suggestions  on Audio relays ??? Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu  >In article <C5qsBF.IEK@ms.uky.edu> billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes: >>I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch >>audio.  I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched.  > >>	Is there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching >>audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines. > I missed the first part of this thread; are you switching line level or speaker level audio? If line level, there's a single chip 4x1 *stereo* audio switch available that switches 4 two-channel inputs into 1 two-channel output, and also has a mute function, all controllable with ttl inputs.  LM1037, I think?  If speaker level, never mind.  :(  Phil Torre (ptorre@u.washington.edu)  
From: leono@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Leon Olszewski ) Subject: DDE frustrations - Can you help? Summary: Need help to get DDE to work Keywords: DDE Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24  I am starting to work on a project using DDE to transfer data.  The  application came with an Excel macro which can transfer the data. I need to 'port' it to 1-2-3W.  1-2-3W uses a very different setup for DDE macros.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to good references?  I have  downloaded "WW01117:  Windows Dynamic Exchange (DDE)" [the MS Application Note].  Any books worth getting?  The specifics are:  Server application:  Dionex AI-450 Chromatography Data System Client application:  1-2-3 for Windows V1.1  Except for the macro, Dionex did not provide any documentation for DDE.  Also, I am having problems because I am trying to develop the application on my PC, but to actually get data, you need to be connect to the instrument.  Any help here would be appreciated, too.  Thanks, --   Leon M. Olszewski        | Nothing is worse than having an itch you can Internet: leono@uiuc.edu | never scratch.  Leon - Bladerunner
From: mikec@procom.com (Mike Christensen) Subject: Re: homosexual issues in Christianity Organization: Procom Technology, Inc. Lines: 140  mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes:  >In article <May.11.02.36.34.1993.28074@athos.rutgers.edu> mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (someone named Mark) writes:   >>"... Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers,  >>nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards,  >>nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom  of God.  And such were  >>some of you..."  I Cor. 6:9-11.  >The moderator adequately discusses the circularity of your use of _porneia_ >in this.  I think we can all agree (with Paul) that there are SOME kinds of >activity that could be named by "fornication" or "theft" or "coveting" or >"reviling" or "drunkenness" which would well deserve condemnation.  We may >or may not agree to the bounds of those categories, however; and the very >fact that they are argued over suggests that not only is the matter not at >all "clear" but that Paul -- an excellent rhetorician -- had no interest >in MAKING them clear, leaving matters rather to our Spirit-led decisions, >with all the uncomfortable living-with-other-readings that has dominated >Christian discussion of ALL these areas.   What is fornication? (sex outside of marriage, abuse of sex)    Is not homosexual intercourse outside the context of marriage? Isn't it an unatural use of what God has given us?  Why is it that homosexuals are using the Grace of God as a license to practice sin?      For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long    beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who    turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only     Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.                                        Jude 4 (NASB)  What is defined by God as a legitimate marriage?     For this cause a man shall leave his father and his mother, and    shall cleave to his wife; and the shall become one flesh.                                        Gen 2:24 (NASB)     And He answer and said, "Have you not read, that He who created them    from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS     CAUSE A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND CLEAVE TO HIS WIFE;    AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'?  Consequently they are no longer    two, but one flesh.  What therefore God has joined together, let no    man separate."                                         Matt 19:4-6 (NASB)     But because of immoralities, let each man have his own wife, and let    each woman have her own husband.  Let the husband fulfill his duty    to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband.                                        1 Corinthians 7:4,5 (NASB)  >  There are plenty of >laws prohibiting sexual behavior to be found in Leviticus, most of >which Christians ignore completely.  They never even BOTHER to examine >them.  They just *assume* that they know which ones are "moral" and >which ones are "ritual."  Well, I have news for you.  Any anthropology >course should sensitize you to ritual and clean vs. unlcean as categories >in an awful lot of societies (we have them too, but buried pretty deep). >And I cannot see any ground for distinguishing these bits of Leviticus >from the "ritual law" which NO Christian I know feels applies to us.  I disagree... Every law that is written in Leviticus should be looked at  as sin.  That is why we have a need for a savior.  I can understand  someone who may not know a particular sin listed in the Levitcal law, but I would hope that they would repent when confronted with it.  >>I notice that the verse forbidding bestiality immediately follows the >>verse prohibiting what appears to be homosexual intercourse.  >Well, la-ti-da.  So what?  This is almost as slimey an argument as the >one that homosexuality == rape.  I know of no one who argues seriously >(though one can always find jokers) in "defense" of bestiality.  It is >absolutely irrelevant and incomparable to the issues gay Christians *do* >raise (which concern sexual activity within committed, consensual human >adult realtionships), so that your bringing it up is no more relevant >than the laws of kashrut.  If you cannot address the actual issues, you >are being bloody dishonest in trailing this red herring in front of the >world.  If *you* want to address bestiality, that is YOUR business, not >mine.  And attempting to torpedo a serious issue by using what is in >our culture a ridiculous joke shows that you have no interest in hearing >us as human beings.  You want to dismiss us, and use the sleaziest means >you can think of to do so.  Also I noticed that the preceeding verses say.       Also you shall not approach a woman to uncover her nakedness during her    menstrual impurity.  And you shall not have intercourse with your    neighbors wife, to be defiled with her.                                       Leviticus 18:19, 20 (NASB)  These verses are just as relevant as:     You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an    abomination.                                     Leviticus 18:22 (NASB)  Why was God telling the Israelites not to practice such things?     Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these    the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled.    For the land has become defiled, therefore I have visited its     punishment upon it, so the land has spewed out its inhabitants.    But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and Judgments, and     shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor    the alien who sojourns among you                                      Leviticus 18:24-26 (NASB)  He is the Lord...  Listen to what he has to say...   Nobody wants to dismiss homosexuals.  We do love you, but we don't  agree that what you practice is not sin.  You have not truly repented of your sin.  We hate the sin that is within your lives.  I hate sin that is in my life.  All Christians should hate the sin that is within their own lives.  Confrontaion with sin should bring about repentance.  Yes I agree with John 3:17, but I also know that Jesus said, "Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand"  Matt 3:17.  If you don't agree that homosexuality is sin than how can you repent from it?  This means that you remain in bondage to it.  Repent from it and God will set you free.  In His Love,          Mike  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Christensen                 |  Trust the Lord with all your heart, Senior Product Support Engineer     |  And do not lean on your own  Procom Technology, Inc.             |  understanding.   Proverbs 3:5 (NASB) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: ABC coverage Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 25 Distribution: usa 	<1993Apr20.173536.7678@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr20.173536.7678@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>   Gerald Olchowy writes:  >Clement, although he has a pleasant personality (aggravatingly pleasant >in my opinion), is a terrible >analyst, because he is almost alway wrong...the prototypical example >being New Jersey's first goal last Sunday. >  >I grew up with Dick Irvin doing color beside Danny Gallivan...I knew >did Irvin, Dick Irvin was a friend of mine...Bill Clement you aren't >any Dick Irvin. >  >As long as the teams involved do not include the US national team or >the New York Rangers, I'd take John Davidson over Bill Clement any day.  Personality means something to me.  That is exactly why I like Clement (and Emrick).  On the other hand, JD is a pompous, bull-headed, arrogant know-it-all.  He's a real turn-off (which is exactly what I do when he's on).  One complaint I do have about Clement is that he sometimes talks too much.  If I wanted that I'd listen to Tim McGarver doing a baseball game.  Mom. 
From: nabil@cae.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub) Subject: Re: Monophysites and Mike Walker Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 127  Hello src readers,  Again the misconception that Copts among other Oriental Orthodox Churches believe in Monophysitism pops up again. We had a discussion about it a while ago.   In article <May.6.00.34.58.1993.15426@geneva.rutgers.edu> db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: > >The proper term for what Mike expresses is Monophysitism.  This was a >heresy that was condemned in the Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD.  It >grew up in reaction to Nestorianism, which held that the Son and Jesus >are two different people who happened to be united in the same body >temporarily.  Monophysitism is held by the Copts of Egypt and Ethipoia >and by the Jacobites of Syria and the Armenian Orthodox.   Then OFM comments :  > > >[These issues get mighty subtle.  When you see people saying different >things it's often hard to tell whether they really mean seriously >different things, or whether they are using different terminology.  I >don't think there's any question that there is a problem with >Nestorius, and I would agree that the saying Christ had a human form >without a real human nature or will is heretical.  But I'd like to be >a bit wary about the Copts, Armenians, etc.  Recent discussions >suggest that their monophysite position may not be as far from >orthodoxy as many had thought.   With my appreciation to the moderator, I believe that further elaboration is needed. This is an excerpt from an article featured in the first issue of the Copt-Net Newsletter :  Under the authority of the Eastern Roman Empire of Constantinople (as opposed to the western empire of Rome), the Patriarchs and Popes of Alexandria played leading roles in  Christian theology.  They were  invited everywhere to speak about the Christian faith. St. Cyril, Pope of Alexandria, was the head of the Ecumenical Council which was held in Ephesus in the year 430 A.D. It was said that the bishops of the Church of Alexandria did nothing but spend  all their time in meetings. This leading role, however, did not fare well when politics started to intermingle with  Church affairs.  It all started when the Emperor Marcianus interfered with matters of faith in the Church. The response of St. Dioscorus, the Pope of Alexandria who was later  exiled, to this interference was clear: "You have nothing to do with the Church."  These political motives became even more  apparent in Chalcedon  in 451, when the Coptic  Church  was unfairly  accused of following  the  teachings of  Eutyches, who believed  in monophysitism. This  doctrine maintains that the  Lord Jesus Christ  has only one nature, the divine, not two natures, the human as well as the divine.  The Coptic  Church   has never  believed  in  monophysitism  the way   it was portrayed in the Council of Chalcedon!  In  that Council, monophysitism meant believing in one  nature.  Copts   believe that the Lord   is perfect in  His divinity,  and He   is perfect in  His humanity,  but  His  divinity  and His humanity were united in one nature called "the nature of the incarnate word", which was reiterated by St. Cyril of Alexandria.  Copts, thus, believe in two natures "human" and   "divine"  that are   united in   one "without mingling, without confusion, and without alteration" (from the  declaration of faith at the end of the Coptic divine liturgy).  These  two  natures "did not separate for a moment or the twinkling of an eye" (also from  the declaration of faith at the end of the Coptic divine liturgy).  The  Coptic Church was  misunderstood in the 5th century  at the  Council  of Chalcedon.  Perhaps the Council  understood   the Church correctly, but  they wanted to exile the  Church,   to  isolate it  and to  abolish the  Egyptian, independent Pope. Despite  all of this,  the Coptic Church  has remained very strict  and steadfast in its faith.   Whether it was   a  conspiracy from the Western Churches to exile the Coptic Church  as a  punishment for its refusal to be politically influenced, or whether Pope Dioscurus  didn't  quite go the extra  mile to  make the  point that  Copts  are not  monophysite, the Coptic Church has always felt a mandate  to reconcile "semantic" differences between all  Christian  Churches.   This is   aptly  expressed by the  current  117th successor  of  St. Mark, Pope Shenouda III:  "To the  Coptic Church, faith is more  important  than  anything, and   others  must know that  semantics  and terminology are of  little importance to us."  Throughout this  century,  the Coptic Church has played  an important role  in the ecumenical  movement. The Coptic Church is one of the founders of the World Council of Churches. It has remained a member of that  council  since 1948 A.D.   The Coptic Church is  a member  of the all  African Council of Churches  (AACC)  and the  Middle East Council of  Churches (MECC).  The Church    plays an  important role   in the Christian   movement   by   conducting dialogues   aiming  at  resolving  the theological differences with the  Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Presbyterian, and Evangelical Churches.  [...]  As a final note, the Oriental Orthodox and Eastren Orthodox did sign a common statement of Christology, in which the heresey of Monophysitism was condemned. So the Coptic Orthodox Church does not believe in Monophysitism.  Peace,  Nabil            .-------------------------------------------------------------.          /  Nabil Ayoub                        ____/   __  /    ____/  /         /  Engine Research Center             /       /   /    /      /        /  Dept. of Mechanical Engineering    ___/    __  /    /      /       /  University of Wisconsin-Madison    /       /   |    /      /      /  Email:ayoub@erctitan.me.wisc.edu  _____/ __/   _|  _____/  /     '-------------------------------------------------------------'  [As I mentioned in a brief apology, the comment quoted above from me is confused.  I appear to say that Nestorius was monophysite.  As Andrew Byler correctly stated it, the Nestorians and monophysites were actually opposite parties.  The point I was making, which Nabil explains in some detail, is that some groups that have been considered heretical probably aren't.  Chalcedon was a compromise between two groups, the Alexandrians and Antiochenes.  It adopted language that was intended to be acceptable to moderates in both camps, while ruling out the extremes.  I agree that there were extremes that were heretical.  However in the course of the complex politics of the time, it appears that some people got rejected who didn't intend heresy, but simply used language that was not understood or even was mispresented.  And some seem not to have jointed in the compromise for reasons other than doctrine.  There are groups descended from both of the supposedly heretical camps.  This posting discussed the descendants of the Alexandrians.  There are also a remaining Nestorians.  Like some of the current so-called monophysites, there is reason to believe that the current so-called Nestorians are not heretical either.  They sheltered Nestorius from what they saw as unfair treatment, but claim they did not adopt his heresies, and in fact seem to follow more moderate representatives of the Antiochene tradition.  --clh]
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) Subject: Re: Ammo in a fire (was Re: WACO burning) Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South. Lines: 53  bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) writes:  >Small arms rounds set off outside of a firearm pose little risk except >possibly eye injuries and minor wounds.    True.  >Large concentrations of ammo, >or 'magazines' (not the type you insert into your semi auto) probably >pose a larger risk, but mostly from heat and flame.  (This is also >covered in the above reference.)  No more risk than smaller stashes unless the stash is somehow confined so the heat from early ignitions could somehow bulk-heat the remainder.  Two  years ago this month my house and office burned.  In my office was my reloading bench.  On the top shelf next to the wooden ceiling was  about 100 lbs of smokeless powder, 5 lbs of black powder, several thousand primers and a couple thousand loaded rounds, primarily in .45ACP, .30-20 and .308.  The fire was extinguished before the area containing the  reloading supplies were fully involved.  There was about 1/2" of char on the joists, subsequently removed by sandblasting.  Lots of heat in other words.  None of the powder kegs ignited.  One 1lb can of pistol powder ignited. No explosion, as the can opened at the seam as it was designed to do. The black powder cans were charred and got so hot the plastic lids completely melted and ran down inside.  The smokless powder was contained mostly in 8 lb cardboard or metal kegs.  The kegs were charred badly enough that the paper labels burned completely off and in the case of the metal cans, the plastic lids melted completely away.  Many of the rounds cooked off.  They were in close proximity to wood on all sides so the effects were easy to observe.  In most cases with the rifle ammo, the cartridge cases ruptured in the middle.  Many bullets were found still in the neck.  Small shards of brass were lightly stuck into  the wood.  Lightly enough that brushing them with a fingertip would usually dislodge them.  Primers generally popped out of the primer pockets. The .45ACP rounds that cooked off left empty cases and bullets laying around. No dents were observed above the storage area, indicating the bullets left the cases slowly enough not to be a hazard.  Ordinary small arms ammo is NOT a hazard when cooking off regardless of what the FBI says.    John  --  John De Armond, WD4OQC               |Interested in high performance mobility?   Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers?  Marietta, Ga                         | Send ur snail-mail address to  jgd@dixie.com                        | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag Lee Harvey Oswald: Where are ya when we need ya?
From: azamora@cs.indiana.edu (Tony Zamora) Subject: Re: more on 2 Peter 1:20 Reply-To: azamora@cs.indiana.edu Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University Lines: 45  In article <May.13.02.28.01.1993.1436@geneva.rutgers.edu> JEK@cu.nih.gov   writes: >      In one sense, no statement by another is subject to my private > interpretation. If reliable historians tell me that the Athenians > lost the Pelopennesian War, I cannot simply interpret this away > because I wanted the Athenians to win. Facts are facts and do not go > away because I want them to be otherwise. >      In another sense, every statement is subject to private > interpretation, in that I have to depend on my brains and > expereience to decide what it means, and whether it is sufficiently > well attested to merit my assent. Even if the statement occurs in an > inspired writing, I still have to decide, using my own best > judgement, whether it is in fact inspired. This is not arrogance -- > it is just an inescapable fact.  Yes, there are these two senses of interpretation, and certainly our decision to accept Scripture as inspired ultimately rests on our own private opinion.  However, when reading Scripture, we have to remember that the Scriptures were given by God for our instruction, and that the interpretation that matters is the one God intended.  For example, if I decide that the fact that John the Baptist is Elijah teaches the doctrine of reincarnation, I am wrong because that is not the intended interpretation.  The prophets didn't make up this teaching; it came from God, and we must accept it as such.  This necessarily means that our private interpretations must take a back seat to the meaning God intended to convey.  Certainly we must rely on our best efforts to determine what this meaning is, but this very fact should make us recognize that our private interpretations cannot be automatically accepted as the infallible interpretation of God.  We need to test the spirits to see if they are from God.  When the Holy Spirit speaks, he says the same thing to all; he won't tell me that a passage means one thing and tell you it means another.  If the two of us come to conflicting conclusions, we can't both be completely right.  We know our interpretations are reliable only when the Church as a whole agrees on what Scripture means.  This is how we know the doctrines of the Trinity, the dual nature of Christ, etc. infallibly.  These matters are not up for private interpretation.  This is the reason Peter goes on to talk about the deceptiveness of the false teachers.  They preferred their own private interpretation to the God-given teaching of the apostles.  It is through such private interpretation that the traditions of men, so soundly denounced in Scripture, are started.  Tony
From: oaf@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Oded Feingold) Subject: Dealing with cults - a few thoughts Organization: M.I.T. Artificial Intelligence Lab. Lines: 131 Reply-To: oaf@zurich.ai.mit.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: klosters.ai.mit.edu  In the wake of the Waco denouement, I had email discussions with people from this group.  In particular, we discussed how cults operate, why the FBI might be motivated to black out news or behave the way it did, and what kinds of problems are involved in dealing with cults and similar organizations.  I include an edited account of what I wrote.  The identity of my correspondents have (I hope) been erased.  The editing process makes the text choppy - sorry about that.  I've tried to retain the information content.  Ellipses (...) indicate where text was removed.  A few of the comments in parentheses are new, intended to make it easier for outsiders to understand.  These notes are preliminary - feel free to criticize.  Cheers(?), Oded  ------------------------ (begin included text) -----------------------  I took a course called the MADNESS OF CROWDS, ...  The course included cults and briefly mentioned/analyzed Jonestown.  (Did some external reading too).  William Adorno ... edited a series of books on the psychology of "evil" mass movements...  starting with THE AUTHORITARIAN PERSONALITY, University of Chicago Press, 1948 ... an attempt to figure out what would motivate people to support fascism or be the bad guys in WWII, and by extension in other wars, in racial lynchings ...  I don't think the books are perfect, and the study of psychopathology has advanced ..., but you can elicit Koresh types from even the first volume.  So I think they're onto something.  ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 		How cult psychology works... 	[I'm an amateur.  Hope I'm not hopelessly naive.]  So long as Koresh could "own" his people, he made sure they didn't believe there was any life out there for them, away from him. Otherwise, he'd (Koresh) be nothing.  During the siege, ex-Davidians recounted how he convinced the people in the compound they survived only through his intercession with God to spare their worthless souls. Absolutely classic brainwashing technique. ...  As long as they believed him, they'd ignore BATF/FBI/Child Protective Services or even the Red Cross asking them to come out.  After all, if they ever left him, God would catapult them straight to Hell, and the combined forces of the US gummint, with all the goodwill in the world (doubtful) couldn't save them for a second.  If I believed it, I'd stay and die too, like the folks in Jonestown.  For a prosaic analogy, replace a cult leader with an estranged wife (or husband), and notice how many folks show up, kill the ex and then themselves.  That's the consequence of shattered "cultism."  It really does happen all the time.  [By the way, the treasured ideal in such cases, without which life is meaningless, is the relationship, no matter how abusive, rather than the individual's partner.]  ...  ----------------------------------------------------------------------     [Why No News, Don't The Feds Owe The World An Explanation?]  I agree that official explanations are in order.  I can also see good (?)  reasons for news blackouts.  >	The only fact available is that had the FBI not acted   >	yesterday, those people would be alive today.   ... that no matter what, those people would have died, because Koresh made sure they believed they had no lives outside his influence. Hence it would make little difference when or how the FBI acted.  He held them hostage, as his trump against going to jail, but nothing would really stop him from offing them.  Even if the FBI went away!  Look at history.  Rep Leo Ryan (and some staffers) visited Jonestown, at the request of constituents who had relatives there.  Once Jonestown was discovered, and even though they killed Ryan and his entourage ... they all killed themselves, because Jim Jones knew he'd be busted.  Internal arguments asking to spare the children, brought up by some of the women in the cult, were shouted down.  There are tapes...  The "logic" of saying that no matter how bad the gummint is, it wouldn't kill the kids, was shouted down as blasphemy, and the people who brought it up were threatened with ostracism by people who by THEIR OWN AVOWAL would be dead within the hour.  I suspect it's the same with the Branch Davidians. (There's a book on Jonestown by James Reston Jr., titled OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HELL.  I don't know whether it's good - never read it.)  ... The only way to prevent such a problem would be never to investigate reports of child abuse or sexual mistreatment, or organizations buying full-auto conversion kits or shipping hand grenades via UPS, on the off chance of stumbling across cults that would kill themselves. ...  So, the only way the BATF/FBI could "save" those people, and future cults, is by ignoring such signs.  I suppose there's another way - outsmarting Koresh and tricking him into letting them go, or somehow influencing "his" people to abandon him while he owns most of their means of communication with the world. ... a mighty tough row to hoe. ...  I suspect the FBI tried to do that with blackouts, noise and other sensory insults.  However, maybe they're not very sophisticated, or maybe the job is impossible.  It's certainly possible the guy running the show was a jerk.  ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 	[Why the FBI might want to blackout during and coverup after]      ... - if they were doing a poor job of weaning the BD's from Koresh, they'd want to keep it quiet so they wouldn't be embarrassed.      ... - if they were trying to wean the BD's from Koresh, they'd want to keep it quiet so he couldn't outflank them, or well-meaning boneheads from ANY point of view wouldn't screw it up. ...  I _hate_ playing chess when the world screams in my face, especially if at checkmate time people really die, and I could be blamed.  ...  I don't think ignoring such incidents is a workable policy, unless you deny the FBI, BATF, Child Protective Services (of whatever stripe) and the rest of the gummint should exist at all.   		(the end) ----------------------------------------------------------------------  			  Okay, have at it. 
 uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgiblab!adagio.panasonic.com!nntp-server.caltech.edu!keith Subject: Re: <Political Atheists? From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu Lines: 15  bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:  >My personal objection is that I find capital punishment to be >cruel and unusual punishment under all circumstances.  It can be painless, so it isn't cruel.  And, it has occurred frequently since the dawn of time, so it is hardly unusual.  >I don't take issue with the numbers.  A single innocent life taken >is one too many.  But, innocents die due to many causes.  Why have you singled out accidental or false execution as the one to take issue with?  keith
From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: Re: No-Haggle Deals...Save $$??? Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communications Research Distribution: usa Lines: 2  A local dealer is advertising "No negotiation necessary!" Make you wonder...
From: maureen@scicom.alphacdc.com (Maureen Brucker) Subject: Is this ethical? Lines: 82  The following was published in the May 15th Rocky Mountain News.  I guess I have some REAL ethical problems with the practices at this church.  I understand that Baptism is an overriding factor.  I also understand that this is not an honest way to proceed.  Unfortunately, this is becoming more typical of congregations as the Second Coming is perceived to approach.  There is a real element of disparation in this 'make it happen at any cost' style of theology.  I wonder where TRUST IN THE LORD fits into this equation?  Baptisms draw parents' ire -- Children at church carnival in Springs told they'd be killed by bee stings if they didn't submit to religious rite.  By Dick Foster -- Rocky Mountain News Southern Bureau  Colorado Springs -- Outraged parents say their children were lured to a church carnival and then baptixed without their permission by a Baptist minister.  Doxens of children, some as young as 8 years old and unaccompanied by their parents, thought they were going to a carnival at the Cornerstone Baptist Church, where there would be a big water fight, free balloons, squirt guns and candy.  Before that May 1 carnival was over, however, children were whisked into a room for religious instruction and told they should be baptized.  In many cases they consented, although they or their families are not of the Baptist faith.  The baptisms by the church have angered many parents, including Paulette Lamontagne, a Methodist and mother of twin 8-year-old girls who were baptized without her knowledge or consent.  'My understnading was they were going to a carnival.  I feel that's a false pretense,' said Lamontagne.  Her daughters said the minister told them they would be killed by bee stings if they were not baptized.  Cornerstone church officials defended their actions.  'We take our instructions from the word of God and God has commanded us to baptize converts.  No one can show me one passage in the Bible where it says that parental permission is required before a child is baptized,' said Dan Irwin, associate pastor of the Cornerstone Baptist Church.  Church officials did not tell parents their children would be baptized because 'they didn't ask,' Irwin said.  Many other parents also felt they were simply sending their children to a carnival at the invitation of their children's friends who were members of the Cornerstone Church.  Police said chhurch officials had broken on laws in baptizing the children, but indicated the parents could pursue civil action.  ------------------------------------------- Aren't these the same behaviors we condemn in the Hari Krishnas and other cults?  [I think the issues are more complex than the newspaper account mentions.  First, I'm not entirely sure that parental consent is absolutely required.  This would be extremely difficult, because of the clear commandment to obey parents.  But if an older child insisted on being baptized without their parents' consent, I might be willing to do it.  However this would be a serious step, and would warrant much careful discussion.  The problem I find here is not so much parental consent as that there was nobody's consent.  Whether you believe in infant baptism or not, baptism is supposed to be the sign of entry into a Christian community.  If there isn't a commitment from *somebody*, whether parent or child, and no intent to become part of the Church, the baptism appears to be a lie.  Furthermore, it is likely to raise serious practical problems.  What if the child is from a baptist tradition?  Normally when he reaches the age of decision, he would be expected to make a decision and be baptized.  But he already has been, by a church claiming to be a Baptist church.  So does he get rebaptized?  Neither answer is really very good.  If not, he's being robbed of an experience that should be very significant to his faith.  --clh]
From: dnichols@d-and-d.com (DoN. Nichols) Subject: Re: Maxtor 2190 info needed (was Re: UNIX PC Software for sale) Nntp-Posting-Host: shindig Organization: D and D Data, Vienna VA Lines: 28  In article <79954@cup.portal.com> thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) writes: >In article <colinm.735327894@cunews> >colinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen) writes: > >|  Does anyone know what the jumpers should be set to on the Maxtor 2190?? >|  I have a 2190 that came off of a VS2000 that I would like to use on a PC. > 	[ ... Useful info about the Maxtor drive deleted ... ]  >Since the 3B1 "normally" has only one HD, you would jumper betwwwn "C1" to >select the first (possible) drive address; if the 2190 is your second drive >on the 3B1, then jumper between "2C".  	However, Thad, you should note that he said that he would like to use it on a 'PC', not 'UNIX-PC'.  Also note the strange cross-posting (as he probably did not), so it is not sure exactly what sort of machine he intends to mount it on.  If it *is* a PC (or clone), then the "2C" jumper would be the correct choice.  	I've left the cross-posting in effect, since I'm not sure which newsgroup he would really be reading this in. :-)  	DoN. --   Email:   <dnichols@d-and-d.com>  |  ...!uunet!ceilidh!dnichols  		 <dnichols@ceilidh.beartrack.com>  Donald Nichols (DoN.)  |   Voice (Days): (703) 704-2280 (Eves): (703) 938-4564 	--- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---
From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet Subject: Re: Good for hockey/Bad for hockey Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY Lines: 25  In article <Rs2J2B8w164w@cellar.org>, darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes: > jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes: >  >> In article <1ppdccINNbe1@dev-null.phys.psu.edu>, stimpy@dev-null.phys.psu.edu >> > In article <C4wxnF.Bx1@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mfoster@alliant.backbo >> > >I prefer the Miami Colons myself.  Headline: FLAMES BLOW OUT COLONS, 9-1 >> >  >> > Would Kevin Dineen play for the Miami Colons??? >>  >> As a Flyers fan, I resent you making Kevin Dineen the butt of your >> jokes:-)! >  > Aw, just take a moment to digest it and I'm sure you'll see the humour... >  > ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\\\^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ > Thomas A. Darling \\\ The Cellar BBS & Public Access System: 215.539.3043 > darling@cellar.org \\\ GEnie: T.DARLING \\ FactHQ "Truth Thru Technology" > v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~\\\~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v   If anybody is having problems following the thread be sure to ask the origonal poster to rectify your misunderstanding.  KOZ LETS GO CAPS!!!
From: loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) Subject: Re: What planets are habitable Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon Distribution: sci Lines: 35  In article <JPG.93Apr27135219@holly.bnr.co.uk> jpg@bnr.co.uk (Jonathan P. Gibbons) writes: >I would appreciate any thoughts on what makes a planet habitable for Humans. >I am making asumptions that life and a similar atmosphere evolve given a range >of physical aspects of the planet.  The question is what physical aspects >simply disallow earth like conditions. > >eg Temperature range of 280K to 315K (where temp is purely dependant on dist >     from the sun and the suns temperature..) >   Atmospheric presure ? - I know nothing of human tolerance >   Planetary Mass ? - again gravity at surface is important, how much >     can human bodies take day after day.  Also how does the mass effect >     atmosphere.  I thinking of planets between .3 and 3 times mass of the >     earth.  I suppose density should be important as well. > >Climate etc does not concern me, nor does axial tilt etc etc.  Just the above >three factors and how they relate to one another. >    Dandridge Cole and Isaac Asimov collaborated on a book titled, "Habitable Planets for Man" (I think) in 1964.  It should be available in most good libraries, or through inter-library loan.     It answered the questions you ask (speculatively, of course), along with many more that need to be considered in habitability studies: length of day (for day/night temperature variation, and agricultural concerns), partial pressures of certain unexpected gasses (ever hear of xenon narcosis?  neither did I), density of particulates in the atm, and their composition (ever hear of silicosis?  not much fun), etc.     Climate isn't a global phenomenon and probably needn't concern you, but axial tilt ought to.  It plays a large part in determining the severity of seasonal differences, and a lesser but still significant part in determining the speed of prevailing winds.  Doug Loss loss@husky.bloomu.edu
From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: AT&T Distribution: na Lines: 26  In article <kmr4.1718.735827952@po.CWRU.edu>, kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: > In article <C63AEC.FB3@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes: >  > >The "R Us" thing is trademarked.  I don't know if Charles > >Lazarus is dead or alive, but I'd be careful, because with > >a name like Lazarus, he might rise again just to start a > >lawsuit. >  > 	The "R Us" is not trademarked, but the "Backwards R Us" is, I  > believe.  Yup, I think you're right.  My mistake.  Now, how do I make an "R" backwards using a computer keyboard?  I'll bet the gods know how (this is alt.atheism, after all).  Tell you what, if all my "R"s start coming out backwards when I type from now on, I'll become a believer.  (And that's not asking for miracles.  If I asked for a miracle, I'd ask for a real miracle, like for Pat Buchanan to become an out-of-the-closet drag queen - well...maybe that wouldn't be so miraculous, but I think he'd look fabulous in a feather boa and a sequined hat like Mia Farrow wore in Gatsby.)  Dean Kaflowitz 
From: dusek@rtsg.mot.com (James P. Dusek) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH - UPDATE Nntp-Posting-Host: shale Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 10  feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes: ><34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: >>In article <1r2d2rINNa7e@hp-col.col.hp.com>, dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) says: >>>NUT CASE PANICS!!REALIZES HE'S MADE A COMPLETE FOOL OF HIMSELF IN FRONT OF >>>THOUSANDS OF NETTERS!!!BACKS AWAY FROM EARLIER RASH STATEMENTS!!!!GOD HAVE >>>MERCY ON HIM!!!! >I thought we were discussing Koresh here, not President Clinton. >Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>  	Dave 1 Clinton 0
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Lunar Colony Race! By 2005 or 2010? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 18  In article <1993Apr21.140804.15028@draper.com> mrf4276@egbsun12.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthew R. Feulner) writes: >|> Need to find atleast $1billion for prize money. > >My first thought is Ross Perot.  After further consideration, I think he'd >be more likely to try to win it...but come in a disappointing third. >Try Bill Gates.  Try Sam Walton's kids.  When the Lunar Society's $500M estimate of the cost of a lunar colony was mentioned at Making Orbit, somebody asked Jerry Pournelle "have you talked to Bill Gates?".  The answer:  "Yes.  He says that if he were going to sink that much money into it, he'd want to run it -- and he doesn't have the time."  (Somebody then asked him about Perot.  Answer:  "Having Ross Perot on your board may be a bigger problem than not having the money.") --  All work is one man's work.             | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology                     - Kipling           |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: digdug@iastate.edu (Doug V Tran) Subject: Re: leaking memory resources in 3.1 Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 39  Here's an interesting table showing how much resources an application uses and how much it gives back on shut down.  This is take from Windows User May 1993 issue:   Application		Min. Resource Use	Resource Not Returned 			GDI	USER		GDI	USER  WinSleuth Gold v3.03	10	6		2	14 Word For Windows v2.0b	10	0		5	0 Lotus 123 v1.1		13	3		3	2 Arts and Leters v3.12	7	7		3	1 PowerPoint v3.0		9	1		3	0 Corel Draw v3.0		10	6		3	0 Micro. Designer v3.1	10	2		2	0 CrossTalk v2.0		0	0		0	0 Excel v4.0a		11	8		0	0 HiJacck v1.0		2	2		0	0 Image-In Color Pro	3	2		0	0 PIcture Publisher v3.1	21	8		0	0	 PowerLeads!-   Executive Ed. v1.03	0	5		0	0 Adobe Type Manager v2.5	1	0		NA	NA Skylight v2.0		1	0		0	0  *The numbers are in percentage and are in a decreasing order.  What does this table tells you, if you frequently start and exit a program that doesn't give back all of it's resources, then you continually lose these resouces.  Therefore, only open these programs up once and leave them open.   BTW:  Maybe people can add to this list so we know what application to watch out for.   later, Doug 
From: mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel) Subject: Bouncing LymeNet newsletters... Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 22  The following 4 addresses are on the LymeNet mailing list, but are rejecting mail.  Since the list server originally accepted these addresses successfully, I assume these addresses have since been eliminated.  Improperly functioning mail gateways might also be responsible.  If you are listed here and would still like to remain on the list, please write to me.  Otherwise, I will remove these addresses from the list before the next newsletter goes out.  As a general rule, please remember to *unsubscribe* from all your mailing lists before your account is closed.  This will save the listserv maintainer from many headaches.  Lezliel@Sitka.Sun.COM Kenneth_R_Hall@Roch817.Xerox.COM Westmx!ayoub@uunet.uu.net Absol.absol.com!rsb@panix.COM --  -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------               Marc C. Gabriel        -  U.C. Box 545  -               (215) 882-0138         Lehigh University
From: jingyao@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jinyao Liu) Subject: a few CDs for sale  (brand new) Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering Distribution: usa Lines: 10       $6.95 each. add $1.05 for postage (4th class), that makes it $8. All these 5 discs are still shrink wrapped   (1) Kathleen Battle,Wynton Marsalis   Baroque Duet      Sony Classical (2) David Sanborn, Upfront                              Elektra (2) Kenny G Live                                        Arista (3) Jimmy Buffett,Songs You know by heart/greatest hits MCA Records (4) Billy Ray Cyrus, Some Gave All                      Mercury (5) En Vogue,  Funky Divas                              Eastwest Records
From: bdunn@cco.caltech.edu (Brendan Dunn) Subject: Re: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!! Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu  In article <93108.155839PTS102@psuvm.psu.edu> <PTS102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: [Pitt vs. Penn State controversy deleted] > >Bringing this back to alt.atheism relevance:  So the guy says we're going to >Hell.  That isn't sufficient cause to bitch to the system operator.  At worst, >it's bad etiquette.  (Unless you really believe that someone is using his >account without his knowledge/permission, which is actually against the law.) >----- >Patrick Saxton          "Pitt is a second-rate school in a second-rate city." >pts102@PSUVM.psu.edu                                         - anon >pts@ecl.psu.edu         ob.atheism:  "In Batman we Trust" >  No.  It wouldn't be sufficient cause to bitch to the system operator if this was just some guy saying that atheists are going to hell.  The point was  that recently many messages were posted from that address.  Each of these messages was posted to a different newsgroup, with the apparent intent of provoking the readers of that particular group.  This, along with the fact that these posts were written in all-caps, makes these posts suspect. Whoever is using this account is using it irresponsibly.  If it is the intended user, they should consider appropriate action.  If it is someone else-- which seems a possibility, then this is also reason to report it. 	We get many posts in the flavor of the one that started this thread. It is only because I have seen posts on other groups by this user that I am considering action.  Brendan 
From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) Subject: Re: Raid justification was: Blast them next time Distribution: usa Organization: Michigan Tech Lines: 52 Nntp-Posting-Host: physerver.phy.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]  On Wed, 21 Apr 1993 03:52:11 GMT, Peter Cash (cash@convex.com) wrote:  > I just got through listening to the 10 o'clock news on Channel 4 here in > Dallas. They trotted out a list of justifications produced by the ATF after > "months of investigation" for their raid.   CNN just claimed he bought 104 "semi-automatic assault rifles".  And they say Koresh wasn't god-like...  He managed to buy or build a collection of fully-automatic semi-automatic rifles...  Quite a feat, I would say.  ;-)  They're still making charges of "sexual abuse" and such, or course. Nobody seems to have noticed that the Treasury department has nothing to do with sex crimes.  Or maybe the feds have recently instituted a TAX on sex crimes...  Yeah, that's why the BATF was there, looking for unregistered *guns* ("this is my weapon, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for...").  > I couldn't believe the junk on this list! For example, the BDs were accused > of stockpiling a bunch of "9mm and .223 ammunition that can be used in M15 > and M16 assault rifles". Imagine that--they had ammunition!  I also heard that they're claiming to be cautious because of Koresh's "heated ammunition stockpile".  I seem to recall that smokeless powder tends to decompose at even moderate temperatures.  I would be rather surprised, after a fire of that nature, if *any* of his "stockpile" is unexploded, or unburned.  > They also had > aluminum dust! (Yeah, it's a component of thermite, but so far I haven't > heard that it's illegal to take a grinder to the aluminum lawn > furniture...)  I seem to recall that aluminum powder is a common component of fireworks...  The folks on rec.pyro could probably tell you.  > The only thing on the list that could conceivably have been > illegal was an M-79 grenade launcher. (Anybody know about this?)  I think *anything* is legal if you have the proper license.  If he had a "curios and relics" permit, I believe he could legally own handgrenades to go with his launcher.  -- Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931 ------------------------------------------------------------- "...when all government... in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."   Thomas Jefferson, 1821
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 23  In article <1993Apr10.124753.25195@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes:  >Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote:  >>Well, it seemed slightly incongruous to find the Union Jack flying >>at City Hall in Belfast.   >May I ask why?  It's there not because the British want it there (NI >is just one big expensive problem), it's there because that is >what the majority of the population of NI want.  Is there some >problem with that?  The majority of those who can open their mouths in public perhaps. There seems quite alot of incentive for the British to have control of NI, like using the North Channel and Irish Sea as a waste dump (I was appalled at the dumping I saw in the harbor in Belfast). It is my understanding that quite alot of radioactivity enters the water -- it'd be quite a problem if NI got its independence from Britain and then stopped accepting the waste. Are you suggesting that British industry isn't making profit off the situation as well?   Gregg
From: frank@mikrosys.no (Frank Mikalsen) Subject: Re: Hot-key for Screen Saver? Organization: Mikrosys AS Posting-Front-End: Winix Conference v 92.07.22  1.50 (running under MS-Windows) Lines: 13  In article <1993May15.042551.17892@seas.gwu.edu>, louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes:   > >Well, renaming screensavers (.scr) to .exe, and running them, as has >been pposted, (I haven't tried changing win.ini , but should have same >effect) shows me the "setup" dialog. box, butdoesn't enable the saver. > >Mickey  Start the renamed saver vid the commandline option /s.  Frank
From: daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy) Subject: Re: Bruins vs Canadiens: Nntp-Posting-Host: cory.berkeley.edu Organization: University of California, at Berkeley Lines: 73  In article <1993Apr16.213513.7683@rose.com> jack.petrilli@rose.com (jack petrilli) writes: >So I don't know what you mean by parity; Boston never was, is not now,  >and never will be as good an organization as the Montreal Canadiens. >  Never was?  Probably.  Is not now?  Debatable.  What other valid test can you think of besides the final standings or divisional playoff winner?  What do you propose, a worthless vote like they do in college football?  What a joke!  >You Boston fans make me laugh: you're going crazy based on a very  >recent Boston domination over Montreal in the playoffs. I mean how  >many cups has Boston won compared to Montreal's 23? And who do you  >think is going to win the **next** cup between the 2 teams? Montreal  >or Boston? You know Sinden's going to find some way of screwing up  >even this good Boston team. He'll fire Suter or trade away a vital  >star. (Admittedly, his last few trades have been good ones but how  >long before his luck runs out and he starts making Esposito-for- >Ratelle type trades again?)  >  If I remember right, Brad Park was also involved in that trade.  He wasn't all that bad a hockey player.  But let's look at some of Sinden's trades over the years:  ??? for Rick Middleton (Rangers).  I don't know who Sinden gave up for Middle- ton, so I'll call this one a +.  Barry Pederson for Cam Neely (Canucks).  +++.  Any questions?  Greg Hawgood for Vladimir Ruzicka (Oilers). ++.  Didja see that one Rosie roofed against Roy in last year's playoffs?  Courtnall/Ranford for Andy Moog (Oilers).  A wash.  Moog is a good goaltender, Ranford burned Boston in the Finals in his first year, and Courtnall always seems to get his points.  Anyone in Vancouver care to comment on Courtnall as a defensive liability?  Ken Linseman for Dave Poulin (Flyers) ++.  Any more questions?  Janney/Quintal for Adam Oates (Blues).  ++.  Janney is an enormous talent and a personable guy, the the Bruins play in Adam's Division.  Enough said?  So,even if you count the Esposito/Vadnais/Ratelle/Park/I don't remember who  else (Joe Zanussi?) trade as a double minus, Harry the Horse trader comes out on top.  I submit that the Bruins are always good because of Harry, not in spite of him.  BTW, do you really think the Habs will bounce back next season.  I'll bet  they finish fourth or fifth in the Conference, behind any of the following: Pittsburgh, Quebec, Boston, Washington, Islanders.  Someone correct me if these five teams will not be in Montreal's conference.  In summary, things look bleak for the Habs, at least in the near future.  I suspect that the next team from La Belle Province to win the Cup will be that team that Lindros didn't want to play for.  >I admit that I've been suffering lately with the Boston gets hot while  >Montreal swans in the playoffs type years. But I **do** have the sure  >knowledge that the Montreal braintrust will keep plugging away until  >they hit the right formula for yet another cup. Whereas if I were a  >Boston fan, I'd have this kind of despair that as long as Harry Sinden  >is running the show, the Bruins will always be good but **never**  >good enough. > >- Jack  --  Dan Lyddy    daniell@cory.berkeley.edu    University of California at Berkeley  My Two Favorite Hockey Teams:  1) The Boston Bruins                                2) Whoever's playing Pittsburgh
From: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: University of South Africa Lines: 27  In article <Apr.16.23.15.27.1993.1836@geneva.rutgers.edu> cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk (Michael C Davis) writes:  >: I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged >: couple become "married" in God's eyes?  Some say that if the two have >: publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and >: are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective >: qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight. > >The way I read Scripture, a couple becomes married when they are *physically* >married, i.e. when they first have sexual intercourse.  Some years ago an Anglican synod was discussing the marriage canons and  there was some debate on what actually constituted a marriage.  The bishop of Natal, whose wife of many years had died, and who had recently  remarried, announced "It MUST be consummated" and looked like that cat that  got the cream.  So I suppose he at least would agree with you.  ============================================================ Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department Univ. of South Africa, P.O. Box 392, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa Internet: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za         Fidonet: 5:7101/20           steve.hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org FAQ: Missiology is the study of Christian mission and is part of      the Faculty of Theology at Unisa
From: glover@tafs2.mitre.org (Graham K. Glover) Subject: The Cold War: Who REALLY Won? Nntp-Posting-Host: gglover-mac.mitre.org Organization: The MITRE Corporation, McLean, VA Lines: 13  If one reasons that the United States of America at one time represented  and protected freedom << individual liberty and personal responsibility >>  (and I do, in fact, think that this is true) and that totalitarianism <<  absolute government control and tyranny >> represents freedom's opposite  (which it does), did the USA really win the cold war?  Standard disclaimers ALWAYS apply!  ---------------- Graham K. Glover ----------------  UNMUTUAL
From: varkki@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Varkki George) Subject: Strange messages when starting Windows Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Lines: 50 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu   On a recently acquired Gateway 2000 machine, when starting Windows, three copyright statements flash on the screen right after the MS logo disappears and before ProgramManager takes over.  This does not happen on any other of our machines, and I am wondering whether this is a feature or whether this is related to several problems we are having with the machine.  The system is a Gateway 2000, 4DX-33 machine.  The messages that appear are:  	(c) Copyright 1989-1992 Western Digital Corporation 		All Rights Reserved 	(c) Copyright 1985-1992 Congruent Corporation 		All Rights Reserved 	(c) Copyright 1985-1992 Microsoft Corporation 		All Rights Reserved  The AUTOEXEC.BAT file looks like this:  @ECHO OFF PROMPT $P$G SET MOUSE=C:\MSMOUSE C:\MSMOUSE\MOUSE PATH=C:\;C:\DOS;C:\WINDOWS;c:\123;c:\wp51;f:\apps;f:\system;f:\winapps;f:\public SET TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP lh wd8003e -n 0x62 5 0x280 0xd000 lh winpkt 0x60 0x62 lh ipx lh netx f:\login\login win :  The CONFIG.SYS file looks like this:  DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS DOS=HIGH,umb DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=D000-D1FF STACKS=9,256 FILES=50 BUFFERS=30 SHELL=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM /P /E:1024  Does anyone know what is going on?  Any help would be much appreciated.  --  Department of Urban and Regional Planning  | E-mail: varkki@uiuc.edu University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign | Tel:    217.244.7059
From: jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware) Subject: Typewriter w/computer interface Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC Lines: 17 Distribution: usa Reply-To: jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: erex.east.sun.com  I have the following item for sale:  Electronic Typewriter: Panasonic KT-32, with 22K memory, small LCD display. I'm 	selling it bundled with a Panasonic computer interface (RPK105) for this 	typewriter. You can connect it to any PC parallel port (sorry, no 	cable). It works perfect, even in Windows (TTY printer). It's 	great if you need to send letter with "typewriter look". In 	stand-alone mode it has 3 pitches, and several "effects" like 	underline, bold, overstrike. Built-in dictionary and character/word/ 	line correction. Asking $150 for both the typewriter and the 	interface  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jorge Lach			Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation Jorge.Lach@East.Sun.Com		East Coast Division, Chelmsford, MA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Re: Wings take game one Keywords: The Detroit Red Wings - 6 ; The Toronto Maple Leafs - 3 Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 19  In <1qvos8$r78@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) writes:  >  The Detroit Red Wings put a lot of doubter on ice tonight with a 6 - 3 >washing of the Toronto Maple Leafs.  All you Toronto fans have now seen the >power of the mighty Red Wing offense.  Toronto's defense in no match for the >Wing offense.  As for the defense, Probert, Kennedey and Primeau came out  Did they move Probert back to defense?  Why did I see him parking his ass in front of Potvin all night?  Somebody is going to have to discipline Probert if the Leafs want to win the series.  Perhaps a fresh Clark should hit the ice at the end of a long Probert shift and straigten him out for a while...   --   cordially, as always,                      maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca                                             "So many morons... rm                                                   ...and so little time." 
From: dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL) Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting Lines: 20  In article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: } 	The vast majority get through life without ever having to } 	own, use or display a firearm. } ... }  }       Given society } 	as we now experience it - it seems safer to get rid of } 	as many guns as possible.  Considering that the uses include self defense, hunting, target shooting and collecting, I don't buy the notion that the vast majority of people don't "own, use or display a firearm".  But let's say your contention is true.  What's the point of "get[ting] rid of as many guns as possible", if they weren't being used anyway? -- David Olson            dlo@drutx.att.com "Well, I did say we'll put it out and we'll put it out when we can.  But I don't know what we can put out or when we can put it out."  -- George Stephanopolous.
From: GAnderson@Cmutual.com.au  (Gavin Anderson) Subject: Help - Looking for a Medical Journal Article - Whiplash/Cervical Pain Lines: 37 Organization: Colonial Mutual Life Australia X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0 Lines: 24  Hi, I am not sure where to post this message, please contact me if I'm way off the mark. On 19.3.93 my wife went to her General Practitioner (Doctor). He mentioned an article from a medical journal that is of great interest to us. He had read it in the previous three months but has been unable to find it again. The article was about Whiplash Injury/Cervical Pain. It mentions the use of a MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imagery) machine as a diagnostic tool and the work of a neurosurgeon who relived cervical pain. This article is most likely in an Australian medical journal. I very much want to obtain the name of the article, journal and author because the case matches my wife. We would very much appreciate anyone's help in this matter via email preferably. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gavin Anderson                              email: GAnderson@cmutual.com.au Analyst/Programmer.                         phone: +61-3-607-6299 Colonial Mutual Life Aust. (ACN 004021809)  fax  : +61-3-283-1095 -----------Some people never consciously discover their antipodes----------  --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gavin Anderson                              email: GAnderson@cmutual.com.au Analyst/Programmer.                         phone: +61-3-607-6299 Colonial Mutual Life Aust. (ACN 004021809)  fax  : +61-3-283-1095 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt) Subject: Re: Renting from Alamo	 Organization: TELXON Corporation Lines: 45  In article <1993Apr20.142818.14969@ericsson.se> etxmst@sta.ericsson.se writes: >Hello netters! > >I'm visiting the US (I'm from Sweden) in August. I will probably rent a Chevy >Beretta from Alamo. I've been quoted $225 for a week/ $54 for additional days. >This would include free driving distance, but not local taxes (Baltimore).  >They also told me all insurance thats necessary is included, but I doubt that, > 'cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more >insurance than what's included in the base price. But on the other hand he  >didn't rent it from Alamo. > >Does anyone have some info on this? > >Is $225 a rip-off?  No, that sounds pretty reasonable for that car and that city.  >Probability that I'll be needing more insurance? Unless you have an accident, you won't need more.  If you plan on paying for the car with a credit card, check and see if your card automatically covers rental cars.  Also, your own auto insurance may cover rental cars also.  Most rental companies here offer extra insurance when you rent, and require you to initial in several spots if you don't want it.  The credit cards and personal auto insurance provide the same sort of coverage that the rental agency is trying to sell.  I have never rented from Alamo, so I don't know if they follow this same practice.  >Is the beretta a good rental car? Yes.  It is a compact 2-door, probably a bit dull performance and acceleration-wise, but very adequate.  It will have an automatic transmission, AM/FM stereo, air conditioning, and possibly power  windows and door locks.  Joe    --  Joseph Staudt, Telxon Corp. | joes@telxon.com P.O. Box 5582               | "Usenet is like Tetris for people who still Akron, OH  44334-0582       |  remember how to read." (216) 867-3700 x3522        |           -- J. Heller
From: Nabeel Ahmad Rana <rana@rintintin.colorado.edu> Subject: RFD: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated Organization: UUNET Communications Lines: 171 Reply-To: rana@rintintin.colorado.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net  Dear Netters:  A new religious newsgroup "soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya" was pro- posed  on  Oct  16,  1992. The discussion about this new proposed newsgroup went on in various related groups.  The  proposal,  was supposed to enter a vote during the last week of November 92. Due to a false Call For Votes, by some opponent, the voting had to be canceled.  I  quote  here  a  statement  from  the  moderator  of new.announce.newgroups:   "The current Call For Votes (CFV) for an Ahmadiyya newsgroup  is being canceled. A new call for votes will be issued within  a few weeks, possibly with a new impartial vote  taker.  Discus-  sion on the proposal is still open until the new vote is called..."                                 -- by Lawrence, Nov 20, 1992.   A lot of confusion arose among the netter as  to  whom  to  vote. Therefore  it was decided to give a cool down period, so that all confusions are over. It has been over 4 months  of  that  instant and now we are again attempting to create this newsgroup. A fresh RFD is hereby being issued. Please! take part in  the  discussion under the same  title heading  and in  "news.groups"  or at least cross-post it to "news.groups".   ****************************************************************                  REQUEST  FOR  DISCUSSION  ****************************************************************    NAME OF PROPOSED NEWSGROUP:  ==========================       soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya   CHARTER:  =======       A religious newsgroup, which would mainly  discuss  the  be- liefs,  teachings,  philosophy  and ideologies of all major reli- gions of the world as  they  exist  to  foster  better  religious knowledge  and  understanding among followers of all religions as they share common basis. This newsgroup will be devoted to  build a  peaceful  mutual  understanding  of  the  Ahmadiyya  branch of Islam, its peacefull beliefs, ideology and philosophy and how  it is  different  from  other  branches  of Islam in fostering world peace and developing better understanding among religious people. It may also be used to post important religious events within the World Wide Ahmadiyya Islamic Community in general.   PURPOSE OF THE GROUP:  ====================       The following are some of the main purposes this group will      achieve:       i)   To discuss the common beliefs of all major religions as           they relate to Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.       ii)  To discuss the doctrines, origin and teachings  of this           puissant spiritual force on earth.       iii) To examine Islamic teachings and beliefs in general  in           light  of the Quran  and established Islamic traditions           of 15 centuries from Ahmadiyya perspective.       iv)  To discuss the similarities  between Ahmadi Muslims and           people of other Religions  of the world and discuss how           religious tolerance  and respect to other's  faiths can           be brought about to  eliminate inter-religion rivalries           and hatred among people of religions.        v)   To discuss the origin and teachings of all religions in           general and Islamic and Ahmadiyya Muslims in particular           to foster better understanding among Ahmadi Muslims and           other religious people.       vi)  To discuss current world problems and solution to these           problems as offered by religion.       vii) To exchange important news and views about the Ahmadiyya           Muslim Community and other Religions.       viii)To add diversity in the religious newsgroups present           on Usenet.       ix)  To discuss why  religious persecution is on the rise  in           the world  and find  solutions to remedy the ever deter-           iorating  situation  in the  world in general and in the            Islamic world in particular.       x)   To discuss the contributions of founders of  all  reli-           gions and their  people for humanity, society and world            peace in general and by the International Ahmadiyya Mus           -lim Community in particular.   TYPE:  ====  The group will be MODERATED for orderly and free religious dialo- gue.   The moderation will NOT prevent disagreement or dissent to beliefs, but will mainly be used  to  prevent  derogatory/squalid use  of  dialect  and irrelevant issues. The moderators have been decided through personal e-mail and through a  general  consensus among  the proponants by discussion in news.groups. The following moderators have been proposed and agreed upon:  Moderator:     Nabeel A. Rana  (rana@rintintin.colorado.edu)   Co-Moderator:  Dr. Tahir Ijaz  (ijaz@ccu.umanitoba.ca)    A BRIEF DESCRIPTION ABOUT AHMADIYYA/ISLAM: =========================================           The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, an international organi- sation, was founder in 1989 in Qadian, India. The founder of this sect, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908), proclaimed to be the Promised Reformer of this age as foretold in almost all the major religions of the world today (Islam, Christianity, Judiasm,  Hin- duism).  He  claimed  to  be  the  long awaited second comming of Jesus Christ (metaphorically), the Muslim Mahdi, and the Promised Messiah.  He  claimed that the prophecies contained in almost all the great religions of the world about the advent of a  messenger from God have been fulfilled.          The claims Hazrat Ahmad raised storms  of  hostility  and extreme  oposition from many priestlike people of Muslims, Chris- tians, Jews and Hindus of that age. Such opposition is often wit- nessed  in  the history of divine reformers. Even today this sect is being persecuted specially in  some  of  the  Muslim  regimes. Dispite  the  opposition  and persecution, this sect has won many adherents in 130 countries. It has over 10 million followers, who come from a diverse ethnic and cultural background.          The sect is devoted to world peace and in bringing  about a better understanding of religion, and the founders of all reli- gions. Its mission is to unite mankind into one Universal  broth- erhood  and  develop  a  better  understanding  of  faith. Ahmadi Muslims have always been opposed to all kind of violence and spe- cially religious intollerance and fundamentalism.          Among its many philanthropic activities, the sect has es- tablished  a network of hundreds of schools, hospitals, and clin- ics in many third world countries. These institutions are staffed by  volunteer  professional  and are fully financed by the sect's internal resources.          The Ahmadiyya mission is to bring about a universal moral reform,  establish  peace and justice, and to unite mankind under one universal religion.   NEWSGROUP CREATION:  ==================          When the Call For Votes is called,  the  discussion  will officially  end.   Voting  will be held for about three weeks. If the group gets 2/3rd majority AND  100  more  "YES/Create"  votes than  "NO/don't  create"  votes;  the group shall be created. Any questions or comments  may  be  included  in  the  discussion  or directly sent to: rana@rintintin.colorado.edu
From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) Subject: Re: Revelations Organization: Indiana University Lines: 34  He doesn't contradict himself.  The church is to last for all time. However, there are those who use the church to bolster themselves.  This is evident in many letters.  For instance, Paul talks about the "super-apostles" to the Corinthians (2 Corinthians 11-12), he mentions how people will be led away by miracles, signs, and wonders (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12), he tells Timothy that it is clear that some will abandon the faith and teach lies (1 Timothy 4:1-3) and that some will search for teachers to suit what they want to hear (2 Timothy 4:3-4). Such passages go throughout the letters and Jesus does warn about them (Matthew 24:4-14).  But look at the promise in this last part.  Verse 14:  "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."  Even today, there are false teachings.  I can name two which I am well familiar with:  the non-need of baptism and the "praying of Jesus into your life for salvation".  Both are taught.  Both are DEAD wrong.  They have been taken out of context from some verses, interpreted from others, and just plain made up.  The ONLY way Jesus taught is given in Luke 9:23-26 and Luke 14:25-33.  He then commands baptism in Matthew 28:18-20.  The church Jesus founded, though, is alive and well.  It's not being persecuted as much as back then (the laws won't allow it yet), but it is being persecuted.  Joe Fisher  > >Peace, >Lou > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >+       Lou Nunez   (e-mail lnunez@vaxa.stevens-tech.edu)       + >+   + Ps 42(43):4 + Ps 90(91):5-6 +  Dn 3:52-90 + Ml 1:11 +     + >+  + Ad Altare Dei + Ad Deum Qui Laetificat Juventutem Meam +   + >+  + 1Cor 4:15 + MT 16:13-19 + 1Cor 13:1-13 + Luke 10:25-37 +   +  >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: mtrottie@emr1.emr.ca (Marc Trottier) Subject: Re: MS-Windows access for the blind? Lines: 23 Nntp-Posting-Host: mtrottie.mps.emr.ca Organization: MPS, Energy, Mines & Resources, Canada  In article <1993Apr22.172514.13025@cci632.cci.com> jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno) writes: >From: jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno) >Subject: MS-Windows access for the blind? >Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:25:14 GMT >We are developing an MS-Windows based product that uses a full screen window >to display ~24 rows of textual data.  Is there any product for Microsoft Windows >that will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently (quickly) ?? > >Please email responses and I will post a summary to this group. > >Thanks for any help >--- John Bruno >  Apparently, Microsoft came out with a new product: MS-Braille it is suppose  to be "WYTIWIG".  :-)  No offense.      Marc Trottier / mtrottie@emr1.emr.ca   
From: Mamatha Devineni Ratnam <mr47+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Atlanta's ABC affiliate SUCKS!!!!! Organization: Post Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu   I knew, despite the lack of a full game telecast last week, it was still too much hockey for Atlanta. Atlanta's ABC has declined to pick up any playoff games till May9. And even when they show the games on MAy9 and May16, they will continue to skip the first half hour of the telecast. I know this is still a better situation compared to rest of Georgia, Alabama, etc., but it is still pretty annoying. At least in PIttsburgh, we had a network preemptionchannel which showed all netwoork shows prempted by the local affiliate.   I asked them what their problem was. I told them that a local 1.9 rating was not that bad considering it was the first NHL game shown after a long time without much promotion. Besides, their syndicated programming in the afternoon is usually low rated. So what did they have to lose by showing NHL playoffs. She told me that they had contractual obligations. I asked her if golf was shown oin ABC, would contractual obligations come in the way. And how come contractual obligations didn't come in the way of last week's telecast? She then couldn't give me a coherent answer.   Also, I added that Atlanta had one of the highest neutral site game attendances and that the demographics were good. I think ABC and other networks should begin to tie their high rated programs like Roseanne in with  thier sports programming. I hope that everyone in Atlanta who reads this bboard calls WSB 2 and complain bitterlyt about this. Tell them you will stop watching their news telecasts since they seem to be very unprofessional in handling this situation.  The lady did not seem to settle on a single reason. Sometimes, the reason is low ratings. Then another time, she says contractual obligations.
From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) Subject: Re: Challenge to Microsoft supporters. Nntp-Posting-Host: rac2.wam.umd.edu Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 134  In article <C6D616.25M@uceng.uc.edu> bferrell@ant.occ.uc.edu (Brett Ferrell) writes: >In article <1993May1.154707.10177@hubcap.clemson.edu> ludes@hubcap.clemson.edu (Larry "Ludes" Ludwig) writes:   	[munch]   >>You must of read too many OS/2 advertisements.  "Crash Protection" is such >>a marketing gimick, it isn't funny..  Out of 4 months of using Windows on my  >>new machine I've only had it crash ONCE, and I don't have a "run of the mill" >>configuration.   	[munch  following is reformatted]   >It does sound funny, I will admit.  But for me it is true.  Windows > crashed on >all of the time (and from what I have read in PC Mag, this is not > the exception)   	I'd say that the massive crash problems are exceedingly rare. 	Windows _itself_ almost never crashes, but it can be crashed by 	an errant application (My personal favorite?  Any one of the Corel 	3.0 programs).  On the other hand, I have had OS/2 crash randomly 	a number of times, mostly just running it's own applications.  	For instance.  Today I discovered a new one.  While I was downloading 	with Procomm Plus For Windows (running seamless with the standard 	VGA drivers on a run-o' da mill VGA card--640x480), I decided that 	I wanted to edit a copy of a quote that I wanted to add to my  	.finger.  But since I've learned not to really trust seamless,  	I fired up a full screen WinOS/23.1 session.  Whoops, the download 	finished while WinOS/2 was loading.  It had _just_ gotten 	the pointer up, so I hit alt-escape to get back t the desktop 	(I have a lot of fonts, so loading takes a good long while). 	 	Blam.  Screen trashed, Procomm hangs up.  Hm.  Well, I can sorta 	see the mouse, so I clicked on the minimized WINOS/2 session  	and got back my fullscreen Windows session (but the color were 	off--red and green and yellow and brown instead of blues and greys). 	So I closed this, and got back to the desktop (now fully restored).  	PP+ was still sitting, window open, but it was no longer  	"connected" to the com port--so I exited it (the normal way-- 	it told me I was still online and it would hang up, though it 	was _already_ hung up).  Hm.  Well, load anothe--no, bad idea.  	Shutdown and reboot.  	Ok, refresh first.. Now, shutdown.  Yes, everything is closed...  	Hm.  Nothing seems to be happening.  Let's see.. Ah, the  	windows list still comes up.  OK, let's try shutdown again.  	No go.  Huh.  	Alright, wait 60 seconds to see if it's just running slow.  	Hmm.  Still seems to be running OS/2.  Try shutdown again. 	Nothing.  Oh well.  Reboot.  Enjoy the checkdisk time.    	In this case, a part of the OS crashed not only itself, but 	OS/2 entirely (which isn't even smart enough to tell when it;s 	been compromised, I guess).  In everyday (specifically _today_) 	use.   > OS/2 gives each windows app a VDM and they can't touch each other or >(generally) anything they aren't supposed to have.   	That's the idea, anyway.  In truth, when a program crashes on  	OS/2, it will bring the system down with it.  The programs that 	would just GPF under Windows do the same under OS/2, but programs 	that are fine under DOS and Windows bring OS/2 screaming to a halt, 	task protection or no.    	For instance, I'm still wondering why print preview in a windowed 	WP 5.1 (DOS) locks up my system.  It works fine under DOS or even in 	a dos box under Windows 3.1.  (Admittedly, it doesn't crash if I run 	WP51 full screen, but the first time this bug big me, it bit hard).    >  If windows works for you, >then great.  Maybe this is why some people don't see why OS/2 is the OS of  >choice.  If windows doesn't crash on you, and you don't mind waiting on each >task,   	Please explain.  The only time I wait on anything under Windows is 	when I'm copying or formatting a floppy, or when printing (and even 	then, not long--I get 9 to 11 pages dumped to the printman per  	minute, and can _still_ go do things--slowly--while it's doing  	this--I've downloaded with PP+ @9600 while printing).    > and not being able to adress your memory better than DOS,   	Not sure what you mean here.  OS/2 sees 16 megs, uses 5 or six 	of these for it's own use (more if you want to count WinOS/2).  	Windows sees 16 megs, uses 3 or 4 (more like 5 if you count the 	disk cache as I am for OS/2) for itself.  If memory efficiency  	were a big issue, PC GEOS would be the current king of the  	Intel desktop.     > some of the >key reasons for using OS/2 are gone.  I probably  would still use it, but it >would be more of an even fight.   	On the other hand.. I am finally able to say with some confidence 	that both OS/2 and Windows have a bit of hardware sensitivity to 	them.  For instance, the machine I am sitting at runs both fine,  	while the machine next to me constantly locks up under Windows.  	(But ran OS/2 without a hitch once I got it through a 5-crash  	install).  On the whole, I'd say OS/2 is a whole lot more sensitive 	than Windows, but there are (I suppose) machines that Windows 	just doesn't like.     >Wittism of th week: "I think that it's wrong to believe in an ism, you should >                     believe in yourself"  Ferrish Bueller   	 	Wasn't this _Ferris_ Bueller?   --  There are stupid laws, and then there are stupider than normal laws.
From: tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard) Subject: Re: Pregnency without sex? Summary: not really without sex, you see....   Keywords: pregnency sex Organization: Pegasus,  Honolulu Lines: 25  In article <10030@blue.cis.pitt.edu> kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) writes: >In article <stephen.735806195@mont> stephen@mont.cs.missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) writes: >:When I was a school boy, my biology teacher told us of an incident >:in which a couple were very passionate without actually having >:sexual intercourse.  Somehow the girl became pregnent as sperm >:cells made their way to her through the clothes via persperation. >:Was my biology teacher misinforming us, or do such incidents actually >:occur? > >Sounds to me like someone was pulling your leg.  There is only one way for >pregnancy to occur: intercourse.  These days however there is also >artificial insemination and implantation techniques, but we're speaking of >"natural" acts here.  It is possible for pregnancy to occur if semen is >deposited just outside of the vagina (i.e. coitus interruptus), but that's >about at far as you can get.  Through clothes -- no way.  Better go talk >to your biology teacher. >=  Kenneth Gilbert              __|__        University of Pittsburgh   =  Well, now, Doc, I sure would not want to bet my life on those little critters not being able to get thru one layer of sweat-soaked cotton on their way to do their programmed task.  Infrequent, yes, unlikely, yes, but impossible?  I learned a long time ago never to say never in medicine   <g>                        Len Howard MD, FACOG  
From: badboy@netcom.com (Jay Keller) Subject: Re: Can men get yeast infections? Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Distribution: na Lines: 12  >>>Can men get yeast infections? Spread them? What kind of symptoms?  My ENT doctor told me that it is not uncommon for the wife to get a vaginal yeast infection after the husband takes antibiotics.  In fact this recently happened to my wife.  Explanation is that the antibiotics kill the yeast's competition, they then thrive and increased yeast around the penis spread the infection during intercourse.  I was on ceclor for 30 days, then my wife got the yeast.  Jay Keller badboy@netcom.com 
From: ah499@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Daniels) Subject: HELP!: Apple II Expansion Chassis by Mountain Computer Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu   I recently bought an apparantly complete Expansion Chassis by Mountain Computer Inc.  It consists of a box with 8 Apple ][+ compatible slots, powersupply brick, interface card and ribbon cable to attach it to the computer to be expanded.  There was also included a small card with empty sockets on top and pins on the bottom that looks like it would plug into the ][+ motherboard somewhere after pulling a chip.  There's an empty socket also on the interface card and a short 16-pin DIP jumper like the ones used with ][+ language cards.   This technological marvel came with no docs and I haven't a clue as how to hook this thing up.  If anyone has docs and/or users disk of any sort for this I could really use copies of them or at least some help.   I need to know:   o How to orient the ribbon cable between the card and the chassis. o How to attach the short cable from the motherboard to the card   and if the small card is used. o The purposes of the various jumper-pins on the card (it has more   of those than my CMS SCSI card!)     thanks                                          John Daniels                                                 ah499@cleveland.freenet.edu  
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Ozone GIFs Available Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 90 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: Ozone, UARS, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41                               ==========================                                OZONE GIF IMAGES                                 April 15, 1993                          ==========================       Two GIF images of the ozone maps over the northern and southern hemispheres are now available at the JPL Info public access site.  These maps were produced by the Microwave Limb Sounder aboard the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS), and are courtesy of the Public Information Office at JPL.  Note that the images are in GIF89a format, so make sure your display software supports this format (as opposed to the older GIF87a format).  The caption files accompanying the images are appended at the end of this message, as well as being embedded in the images.  The images are available by dialup modem at +1 (818) 354-1333, up to 9600 bps, parameters N-8-1, or by using anonymous ftp to:          ftp:      pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.6.2)         user:     anonymous         cd:       news (will be moved to the images directory in 30 days)         files:    ozone93a.gif - Northern hemisphere                   ozone93b.gif - Southern hemisphere       Also, photographic prints of these images can be ordered from Newell Color Lab listed below.  Refer to the P number associated with the images when ordering.       Newell Color Lab      221 N. Westmoreland Avenue      Los Angeles CA 90064      Telephone: (213) 380-2980      FAX: (213) 739-6984  -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ozone93a.gif  PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109.  TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011  PHOTO                                                     P-42210                                                    April 14, 1993  This graphic depicts chlorine monoxide and ozone over Earth's northern hemisphere in February 1992 and 1993.  These maps were produced by the Microwave Limb Sounder aboard the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite.  The chlorine monoxide (ClO) maps (left) are for a layer about 20 kilometers (66,000 feet) above the Earth's surface on February 17, 1992 (above) and 1993 (below).  The ozone maps show the total amount above an altitude of about 12 kilometers (41,000 feet) averaged over the period from February 15 to March 6 for the two years.  The Microwave Limb Sounder, developed and operated by a team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, is one of several instruments on the Goddard Space Flight Center's Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite, launched in September 1991.  -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ozone93b.gif  PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109.  TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011  PHOTO CAPTION                                             P-42211                                                    April 14, 1993  This graphic depicts chlorine monoxide (ClO) and the Antarctic ozone hole.  These maps, produced by the Microwave Limb Sounder aboard the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite, show the amount of chlorine monoxide (left) and ozone (right) in the stratosphere at altitudes above 20 kilometers (66,000 feet).  Very small abundances of ozone appear where there are large abundances of chlorine monoxide, the dominant form of chlorine that destroys ozone.  Data from September 21, 1991 (top) are compared with those from September 20, 1992 (bottom).  The Microwave Limb Sounder, developed and operated by a team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, is one of several instruments on Goddard Space Flight Center's Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite launched September 12, 1991.      ___    _____     ___     /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov     | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |  ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps  /___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation  |_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | and causes more aggravation                                                   | instead.
From: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan) Subject: Re: Frequent nosebleeds Reply-To: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan) Organization: chevron Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1  In article <1993Apr17.195202.28921@freenet.carleton.ca>,  ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) writes:  >  >  > I have between 15 and 25 nosebleeds each week, as a result of a genetic  > predisposition to weak capillary walls (Osler-Weber-Rendu).  > Fortunately, each nosebleed is of short duration.  >  > Does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency? My younger  > brothers each tried a skin transplant (thigh to nose lining), but their  > nosebleeds soon returned. I've seen a reference to an herb called Rutin  > that is supposed to help, and I'd like to hear of experiences with it,  > or other techniques.  > --    My 6 year son is so plagued.  Lots of vaseline up his nose each night seems  to keep it under control.  But let him get bopped there, and he'll recur for  days!  Also allergies, colds, dry air all seem to contribute.  But again, the  vaseline, or A&D ointment, or neosporin all seem to keep them from recurring.   Bev Zalan
From: khoh@usc.edu (Oliver Muoto) Subject: For Sale: Silverlining 5.42 Hard Disk Management Software Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: aludra.usc.edu  Last two copies of silverlining 5.42 from La Cie for sale.  This is disk management software.  Lets you evalulate/test hard drive, install and test drivers, partition disks (supports AUX, ProDos, etc). Nice piece of software to have around the house.  If you are interested please email your offers.  First good offer also gets MacTree disk organization software free.  khoh@usc.edu   
From: km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) Subject: Re: How about a crash program in basic immunological research? Organization: KY3B - Vax Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 26  In article <93099.141148C09630GK@wuvmd.wustl.edu>, C09630GK@WUVMD (Gary Kronk) writes: |> I have been contemplating this idea for some time as well. I am not a |> doctor, but my wife is a nurse and I know a lot of doctors and nurses. |> The point here being that doctors and nurses do not seem to get sick |> nearly as much as people outside the medical profession.  This is a lovely area for anecdotes, but I am sure you are on to something. As a physician, I almost never get sick: usually, when something horrendous is going around, I either don't get it at all or get a very mild case. When I do get really sick, it is always something unusual.  This was not the situation when I was in medical school, particularly on pediatrics. I never had younger siblings myself, and when I went on the pediatric wards I suddenly found myself confronting all sorts of infectious challenges that my body was not ready for. Pediatrics for me was three solid months of illness, and I had a temp of 104 when I took the final exam!  I think what happens is that during training, and beyond, we are constantly exposed to new things, and we have the usual reactions to them, so that later on, when challenged with something, it is more likely a re-exposure for us, so we deal with it well and get a mild illness. I don't think it is that the immune system is hyped up in any way. Also, don't forget that the hospital flora is very different from the home, and we carry a lot of that around.  -km
From: beb@media.mit.edu (Brian E. Bradley) Subject: 2-gig Fujitsu 5.25" disk drive for sale Organization: MIT Media Laboratory Distribution: usa Lines: 11   2-gigabyte Fujitsu 5.25" disk drive internal drive, model M26525A (uses either a SCSI or EDI interface on your disk controller card) brand new, still in box, never used    only $1800 (compare to $2400 in cheapest mail-order catalogs)  POSTED FOR A FRIEND.  Pleade respond to: 		jbredt@athena 
From: wa2ise@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (robert.f.casey) Subject: 2 level brightness Xmas light set (for Easter? Keywords: xmas Organization: AT&T Lines: 54   Yes, I know it's nowhere near Christmas time, but I'm gonna loose Net access in a few days (maybe a week or 2 if I'm lucky), and wanted to post this for interested people to save 'till Xmas.   :-( Note: Bell Labs is a good place IF you have a PhD and a good boss, I have neither. --------------------------------------------------------------------------  Subject: Xmas light set with 2 levels of brightness  Another version of a variable brightness Xmas light set: This set starts with a 2 blinker 35 bulb string.    DIAGRAM:  orginal 2 way set  120v---+--b-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--!        !---b-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-!                            ! 120rtn_____________________!  modified set for 2 level brightness:                  string 1 120v---------*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*--!   \_10K_______*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-!     5w    !      string 2     !           b   ________________! 120v rtn__!___!               ^ Note: no mods to wiring to the right of this point.  Only one blinker is used.  Note that the blinker would not have as much current thru it as the string 1 bulbs, because of the second string of bulbs in parallel with it.  That's why the use of the 10K 5W resistor here to add extra current thru the blinker to make up for the current shunted thru the second string while the blinker is glowing and the second string is not glowing.  When the blinker goes open, this resistor has only a slight effect on the brightness of the strings, s1 slightly dimmer, s2 slightly brighter.   Or use a 3W 120v bulb in place of the 10K resistor if you can get one.  Caution, do not replace with a standard C9 bulb, as these draw too much current and burn out the blinker.  C9 = approx 7W.  What you'll see when it's working:  powerup, string 1 will light  at full brightness, and b will be lit, bypassing most of the current  from the second string, making them not light.  b will open, placing  both strings in series, making the string that was out to glow at a  low brightness, and the other string that was on before to glow  at reduced brightness.   Be sure to wire and insulate the splices, resistor leads, and cut wires  in a safe manner!
From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) Subject: Re: Help!!!(With Buick Regal) Nntp-Posting-Host: fred.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS Lines: 36  In article <C5wyKp.L98@ulowell.ulowell.edu> gvahe@cs.ulowell.edu (Gerry Vahe) writes: > > >HHHEEELLLPPP!!!! > >---I'm Going crazy.  I have a 1981 buick regal with over 100,000 miles on it. > >Just recently, when I go Over a bump of any size,  The rear drivers's side of th > >e car feels like there is something hitting the floor board.  The noise is ampli > >fied when I am going around a corner when there is less weight above the tire wh > >en I hit a bump. > >I had the whole brake drum off today, checked under the car to see if th > >e muffler was hitting or something and I cant seem to find anything at all.  Eve > >rything seems to be tight. > > > >---Any Ideas?  Could it bee a shock absorber?  Is there any way I can tell? > >Anything will help and be greatly appreciated >-gerry         Check out the shocks where they mount, at both ends. if you have     the type that have a loop?,from lack of a better term, and a bolt like    piece sticking through, there should be a rubber bushing between the loop    and the bolt. Is it there ? is it crushed and allowing metal to metal     contact?  I hope you can make some sense of this. Good Luck.> > >  
From: jeroeng@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Jeroen Gremmen) Subject: Re: DOS 6 vfintd.386 and Windows sys.ini Organization: MCGV Stack, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands. Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: blade.stack.urc.tue.nl X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]  Peter P. Lei (lei@rtsg.mot.com) wrote: :  : Does anyone know what the vfintd.386 device is used for in windows 3.1? : It's under the [386enh] section as : 	device=c:\dos\vfintd.386 :  I know Norton Desktop for Windows includes this file and its help file  mentioned something about floppy-disk access.  Jeroen  --  ======================================================================== J.C.A. Gremmen              Email: jeroeng@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl Gildelaan 34                Phone: 04255-3411 (No modem or fax pleez!) 5081 PH  Hilvarenbeek               
From: pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) Subject: Membrane keypad with custom legend. Nntp-Posting-Host: 211.2.1.197 Organization: Texaco Lines: 16  I had a catalog with membrane keypads, but I dunno what happened to it, and it was so long ago that I forget the name of the company.  Anyway, you could make your own legend and slip it behind the bezel.  Really nice and  reasonably priced.  Can anyone tell me where to get some more of these critters?  I've tried several places, but none of them seem to have keypads which allow you to use your own legend.  Any suggestion would be appreciated.  --  Larry D. Pyeatt                 The views expressed here are not Internet : pyeatt@texaco.com    those of my employer or of anyone Voice    : (713) 975-4056       that I know of with the possible                                 exception of myself.
From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) Subject: re: Pantheism and Environmentalism Organization: Kulikauskas home Lines: 31  KEVXU@cunyvm.bitnet writes:  [deleted] > first paragraph and the mention of pantheism.  Is pantheism "perverted" > and "dangerous", or just not one's cup of tea?  None of this is clear.  I can't speak for Mr. Cavano, but I understood his comment to refer to  the idea that unrecognized pantheism is dangerous to Christians.  If we  unthinkingly adopt pantheistic ideas that are opposed to Christianity,  we can pervert our faith.  When we clearly recognize pantheism when we  encounter it we have the opportunity to embrace what is consistent with  Christianity and reject what isn't.      We need to be alert, always thinking and questioning.  We must examine  the underlying assumptions of every book we read, tv program we watch  and socio-political movement we participate in.  Ideas are important.   Philosophies and doctrines are what give form to the events of our  lives.  They are the basis from which we live our lives of love and  service.  The command to love God with all one's mind means no fuzzy- headed drifting from idea to idea.   > and that consumerism and our rapacious style of living > are so rarely called by their appropriate name: Greed.  One Christian who acknowledges this is the Pope.  It is a frequent theme  in his writings.  Indeed, thoughtful Christians from most traditions  recognize that consumerism has no place in the lives of Christians.  It  too is a perversion and dangerous to our faith.  Thank you, Jack, for  pointing out the parallel.   Jayne Kulikauskas/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org
From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: FL Lines: 22  >I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged >couple become "married" in God's eyes?   I'm waiting for an RC to speak up ! 8-) Nobody has, so I will...  Those with Bibles on hand can give the exact chapter & verse... At the time Jesus told Peter that he was the "rock", He said whatever you hold true on earth is held true in heaven, and  whatever you don't hold true won't be true in heaven.  Therefore, with respect to marriage, the ceremony has to be done by an RC priest. No big parties required. Just the priest, the couple and witnesses. "Divorce" is not allowed. But anullments are granted upon approval by either the bishop or the Pope  (not sure if the Pope delegates this function).  --  ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Ashley                        |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com      | The Lost Los Angelino              |
From: loh@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Meng-Wei Loh) Subject: Re: ESPN cares less about hockey Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 16  jbrown@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:  >ESPN is pathetic, I have been watching everybody complain about ESPN's coverage >and I agree with all of you.  Might I suggest that we are getting all worked up >over nothing.  We ALL knew that ESPN's coverage was going to suck.  I mean have >you ever watched during the regular season Sportscenter coverage of hockey? It >sucks, I mean really sucks!!!  ESPN does not know hockey if it shot them in the >ass.  I was really pissed of about last night, coverage.  I go to school in Ohio >I *know* the Indians suck, so why show them?  If I were Bill Clement I would >shoot myself.  I hope this makes you feel better, but the overtime between the Isles and the Caps was GREAT!!!    Hang in there. :) 
From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross) Subject: Sams Comics for sale (no auction!!!!)  Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 373  OK.  Instead of holding an auction, I have decided to compute prices for each comic (after many suggestions).  These are the most reasonable prices I can give (not negotiable).  If you would like to purchase a comic (or group), simply email me with the title and issue #'s you want.  The price for each issue is shown beside each comic.  First come, first served!!!  There is no more bidding.  Meet my price and it is yours.  I can be reached at this email address:  02106@chopin.udel.edu or 02106@ravel.udel.edu or 02106@bach.udel.edu or 02106@brahms.udel.edu  NO MORE HAGGLING ABOUT THE PRICE!!!!!!!! LOTS OF COMICS FOR $1, $2, or $3 LOOK AT LIST!!!!!  For all those who have bought comics from me, thanks!!!  All comics are near mint unless otherwise noted (my books were graded by mile high comics and other comic professional collectors, not me!)  Here is the list:    Incredible Hulk 156 (vs another Hulk) $3 195 $2 196 $2 246 (vs Captain Marvel) $1 248 $1 249 $1 250 (Double size issue vs Silver Surfer) $5 255 (vs Thor) $1 279 $1 300 $2 312 $2 313 $1 316 (vs Bi Coastal Avengers) $1 347 $1 348 $1 350 (vs Thing) $2 354 $1 358 $1 360 $1 362 (vs Werewolf By Night) $2 364 $1 365 $1 366 $1 379 (1 copy) $5   Punisher 50 $1 57 $2  Punisher War Journal 29 (Ghost Rider) $2 30 (Ghost Rider) $2  Punisher Armory 1 $4 2 $2  Original Ghost Rider Rides Again (Reprint) 1 $1  Ghost Rider (old series) 37 $3 43 (vs Johnny Blaze) $3 77 (2 copies, origin of GR dream) $4 each  Ghost Rider (new series) 15 (1st print, Green glow in dark cover, 1 copy) $5 15 (2nd print, gold cover w/ glow cover) $3  Web of Spiderman 56 (2 copies) $2 each 60 $3 69 (vs Hulk, 1 copy left!!!)  $2 70 (SpiderHulk, 1 copy left!!!)  $2 71 $1 72 $1 78 $1  Deadly Foes of Spiderman 1 (2 copies) $2 each 2 $2 3 $2  Amazing Spiderman vs Dr. Octopus (special NACME issue) $2  Amazing Spiderman  350 (vs Dr. Doom, 1 copy LEFT!!!) $2  Spiderman (1990) 1 (silver, not bagged) $4 6 $3 7 $3 8 (2 copies) $2 each 9 (w/ Wolverine, 1 COPY LEFT!!!) $2 10 $2 11 $1 13 $5 16 $1  New Warriors 1 (gold cover) $2 8 $4 10 $2 11 $1 12 $1 13 $1 14 (w/ Darkhawk) $1 15 $1  Superman Man of Steel #1 $2  Superman (new) 53 (2 copies) $1 each 55 $1 56 $1  Adventures of Superman  479 $1 Annual #3 $1  Superman Annual #3 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1  Action Comics #666 $1  Avengers West Coast #69 (Hawkeye vs US Agent) $1  Batman 465 (Robin returns) $2 466 $1 467 $1 Annual #15 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $3  Captain America  230 (vs Hulk) $2 257 (vs Hulk) $1   Armegedon 2001  1 $4 2 $2   Foolkiller #1 $2   Infinity Gauntlet  1 $6 4 $3 5 $3  Double Dragon #1 $1  Deathlok (series)  2 $1  Transformers #80 (last issue) $2   Wonder Man 1 $1 2 $1  Flaming Carrot #25 (w/ Ninja Turtles) $2  The Comet #1 $1  Legend of the Shield #1 $1  Justice Society of America 1 $1 2 $1 3 $1 4 $1  Official movie mag from Turtles II movie (sealed w/ Jelloman comic) $5  Robin  1 (1 copies w/ poster) $3 1 (3rd print) $1 5 (6 copies) $1 each  Guardians of the Galaxy  1 $6 2 $3 3 $2 4 $2 5 $2 6 $2 7 $2 8 $2 9 (2 copies) $3 each 10 $2 11 $2 12 $1 13 $3 14 $3 15 $1 16 $1 17 $1 18 (2 copies) $2 each  Superman vs Amazing Spiderman (oversized issue from 70's) $7  DarkHawk 1 (3 copies) $8 each 2 (2 copies) $6 each 3 $5 4 $4 5 $4 6 $3 7 $2 8 $2 9 $3 10 $1  Thor 246 $1 428 $1 429 (vs Juggernaut) $2 430 (w/ Ghost Rider) $1 431 $1 432 (Thor vs Loki, 2 copies) $3 each 433 (new Thor) $2 Annual #16 $1  What if.... 13 $1 23 $1 25 $2 26 $1  Alpha Flight 29 $1 51 $6 53 $6 94 (vs Fant. 4) $1  New Mutants 22 $2 100 (last issue, 1st look at X-Force, 1st print, 2 copies) $5 each 100 (2nd print, gold cover) $4  Flash (new) 43 $1 48 $1 49 $1 50 $2 51 $1 Annual #4 $1   X-Men (new) 1 (all 5 covers) $1 each but $2 for magneto  foldout cover  Uncanny X-Men 191 $3 215 $2 255 (2 copies) $2 each 258 $6 268 (1 sold,1 copy left!, Lee reg artist) $10 275 (1 COPY LEFT 1st print) $6 275 (gold 2nd print) $3 276 $3 277 $3 278 $2 279 $2 280 $2 281 $3 282 $4 283 $6  Defenders 52 (Hulk vs Sub Mariner) $2   Fantastic Four 347 $4 348 $2 349 (3 copies) $2 each  Wolverine 11 $3 20 $2 41 (w/ Cable, 2 copies) $6 each 42 $4 43 $3  Silver Surfer (1987) 1 $6 2 $3 3 $3 4 $3 5 $2 6 $2 8 $2 22 $2 24 $2 32 $2 49 $2 50 (Foil cover, only 1 copy left!!) $6 51 $2 52 $2 53 $1 54 $1 55 $1 56 $1 58 $2 59 $2  Avengers 326 $3 328 (origin of Rage) $3  X-Factor 40 $6 67 $3 68 $6 71 $3 73 $1  Quasar 21 $1 22 $1 23 $1 24 $1  Green Lantern (1990) 3 $2 9 (2 copies) $1 each 10 $1 11 $1 12 $1  Toxic Avenger 1 (3 copies) $1 each 2 $1  Sleepwalker 1 (3 copies) $2 each 3 $1 7 $1  Kool Aid Man #1 (sealed in white bag, 2 copies) $2 each  X-Force 1 (bagged w/ Cable Card) $4 1 (bagged w/ Shatterstar Card) $3 2 $2 3 $1 4 $1  NFL Superpro 1  $1  Dr. Strange #31 $1  Hawkworld Annual #2 (2nd print, Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1  Hawk & Dove Annual #2 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1  Justice League of America Annual #5 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1    Send all bids and comments to  02106@chopin.udel.edu  Thanks Sam (the "ex"  comic book collector)   College of Electrical Engineering, University of Delaware
From: werdna@cco.caltech.edu (Andrew Tong) Subject: Re: Challenge to Microsoft supporters. Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu  rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari) writes: >	I'd say that the massive crash problems are exceedingly rare. >	Windows _itself_ almost never crashes, but it can be crashed by >	an errant application (My personal favorite?  Any one of the Corel >	3.0 programs).  On the other hand, I have had OS/2 crash randomly >	a number of times, mostly just running it's own applications.  I  _do_ know  that  IBM systems, the PS/2 56SLC2, in  particular, have absolutely no  problem  with  OS/2--never had  a "random" crash  while running any of  my programs under  OS/2.   In fact, I  don't  remember _ever_ crashing.  Of course, I really don't run any  OS/2 programs, just the  same bunch of DOS and Windows stuff that I've always been running.  And  when  I  had  the  56SLC  (this is  the  386SLC  system)  running Dos/Windows, I had only  one crash, and it was consistent.   FTP had a tendency  to  crash  whenever  I would  get  large  files (>1mb)  from particularly fast  clients  (DTR's  150K-200K/sec), I  figured out the problem was with smartdrv's write buffering--if I turned off the write buffer, everything would work fine.  FTP under OS/2 has never locked,  though.  I can even format  floppies (to use the most often cited example of the superiority of OS/2.)  >	For instance, I'm still wondering why print preview in a windowed >	WP 5.1 (DOS) locks up my system.  Yeah, I guess I'm willing to admit that OS/2  is somewhat sensitive to specific hardware.  WP51 for DOS works perfectly fine on my SLC2...  >	Please explain.  The only time I wait on anything under Windows is >	when I'm copying or formatting a floppy, or when printing (and even >	then, not long--I get 9 to 11 pages dumped to the printman per  >	minute, and can _still_ go do things--slowly--while it's doing  >	this--I've downloaded with PP+ @9600 while printing).  Well,  I save all  my  personal files to floppy,  and when  i did that under Windows, a floppy save of a large file hung up the system.  I  also found  it quite bothersome to  have  to  continually tweak the tasking options  on fractint for dos whenever I wanted to do a fractal computation in the background.  >> and not being able to address your memory better than DOS,  >	Not sure what you mean here.  The idea is  that OS/2's DOS sessions can see more memory than Windows DOS  sessions.  I  let  XPL (a  shareware calculus program) see around 720KB of free _conventional_ memory, which lets me  do bigger symbolic manipulations than is possible  under straight DOS (where it would see around 610KB of conventional RAM.).  I  also found it really handy for my _own_ DOS-based programs, which, without  any re-writing, could now handle larger data sets, simulate for more iterations, etc. Of course, the  point is  now moot,  since  the OS/2 programs I now write  simply _never_ run into memory limitations.  I never programmed  for Windows, so I don't have much of a comparison here, though....
From: rjb@akgua.att.com Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? Organization: AT&T Lines: 69  In article <Apr.23.02.55.25.1993.3117@geneva.rutgers.edu>, rjs2@po.cwru.edu (Richard J. Szanto) writes: > In a previous article, randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) says: >  > >I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged > >couple become "married" in God's eyes?  Some say that if the two have > >publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and > >are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective > >qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight. >  > I have discussed this with my girlfriend often.  I consider myself married, > though legally I am not.  Neither of us have been with other people sexually, > although we have been with each other.  We did not have sexual relations > until we decided to marry eventually.  For financial and distance reasons, > we will not be legally married for another year and a half.  Until then, > I consider myself married for life in God's eyes.  I have faith that we > have a strong relationship, and have had for over 4 years, and will be > full of joy when we marry in a church.  First, however, we must find a > church( we will be living in a new area when we marry, and will need to > find a new church community). >  > Anyway, I feel that if two people commit to marriage before God, they are > married and are bound by that commitment. >  > --  > 						-Rick Szanto   Rick has nailed the problem down pretty well.  As I can find no Scripture (have I missed it ?) that details when you are married, I have to make some assumptions based on the PRINCIPLES of Scripture.    It seems to me that it takes 3 parties to make a marriage: husband-to-be, wife-to-be, and God.  If you promise before each other and God that you will convenant together to be married, then...you are (IMO).  So why do we have the ceremonial part ?  That seems to be there for "connectedness" in the Body of Christ.  My brothers and sisters ought to be involved so that there can be some accountability on both our parts.  That's part of the concept from Hebrews about "not forsaking the assembling of yourselves together as is the custom of some."  We need each other because Lone Ranger Christians and Lone Ranger Marriages smack of a self sufficiency that the I don't see in the NT.  Does anyone see the Paul Simon "I am a rock, I am an island..." model anywhere in Christianity. (Song lyrics show your age :-) ) ?  Further, since marriage is a legal matter/institution in the USA and many other places, and such laws do not specifically go crosswise to the clear teachings of Scripture, we ought to obey them to avoid even the appearance of "evil" (I Thess 5:22)  So this would imply at least a civil ceremony before marriage, but keep in mind we are at least doing all of this for the  conscience of others because back to the beginning...you are married when you and your intended promise each other and God to be in convenant. (IMO)  What ch'all think ?  Bobby - akgua!rjb  [In some states, the kind of commitment described in Richard Szanto's posting can create a common law marriage.  Indeed his posting itself might go a long way towards establishing that a marriage exists, should the issue ever end up in court.  He might want to consult a lawyer who is familiar with common law marriage in his state.  --clh]
From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) Subject: Re: Saturn Extended Warranty Keywords: warranty Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 36  In article <1r7n42INNie1@shelley.u.washington.edu> gaia@carson.u.washington.edu (I/We are Gaia) writes: >In article <1r6bqgINN4ei@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu> vivek@crhc.uiuc.edu (Vivek Chickermane) writes: >>ADVICE on SATURN EXTENDED WARRANTY >>----------------------------------- >> >>  I placed an order for a Saturn SL2 and it is expected next week. The >>Saturn retailer gave me some pamphlets about the extended warranty plan >>and I have been thinking about it. Being a first time new car buyer, I am >>seeking advice from veterans esp. those who have bought Saturns lately. >>FYI, I have listed some of the features of the Saturn extended warranty plan. >>The car comes with a 3 years/36,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. >> >>Plan I >>------- >>Extended Powertrain Coverage >> >>Covers the cost of repairs to >>  * Engine >>  * Transaxle >>  * Front wheel drive >>* 24 hour roadside assistance program >> >>Coverage Term (years/miles) >> >>Deductible     5/60,000     6/75,000     6/100,000 >>----------     --------     --------     --------- >>$50            $375          $550         $725 >>  i say extended warranties are a ripoff, high-profit item for dealers. but what i really want to point out here is that you are not buying 5/60k, 6/75k, 6/100k.  you get 3yr/36k *free*.  so what you are buying is 2/24k, 3/39k, 3/64k.  keep that in mind when you look at the cost vs. coverage. another point is that many car companies routinely fix car problems that are out of warranty...why?  design/manufacturing defects that the company owns up to, keeping customer happy, etc.
From: isaackuo@jell-o.berkeley.edu (Isaac Kuo) Subject: Re: Drag-free satellites Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department. Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: jell-o.berkeley.edu  In article <15821.2be3e125@cpva.saic.com> thomsonal@cpva.saic.com writes: >On Sat, 1 May 1993 23:13:39 GMT, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) said: > >> No.  A "dragless" satellite does not magically have no drag; it burns fuel >> constantly to fight drag, maintaining the exact orbit it would have *if* >> there was no drag.   > >     Well, almost. It turns out that clever orbital mechanics can  >engineer things so that resonant interactions with the higher order  >harmonics of the Earth's gravitational field can pump energy into a  >satellite, and keep it from experiencing drag effects for periods of  >months to years.   A harmonic of the Earth's gravitational field?  What IS a harmonic of the Earth's gravitational field?  >     My favorite example of this is the Soviet/Russian heavy ELINT  >satellites of the Cosmos 1603 class, which are in 14:1 resonance. In   14:1 resonance with WHAT?  It's not like there's any wavelength or frequency to the Earth's gravitational field.  Now, there' might be some interesting interactions with the Moon's tidal effect--is that what you're talking about? > >    This probably has little relevance to space stations, since the 71  >degree orbits of the C1603 satellites are at 850 km, which is  >unacceptably far into the inner van Allen belt for manned platforms. But  >it's kind of interesting from the point of view of the physics of the  >situation.   What are the physics of the situation?  The only way I can see gravitational effects being useful in adding energy to an object orbiting Earth is some sort of interaction with the moon. --  *Isaac Kuo (isaackuo@math.berkeley.edu)	*       ___ *					* _____/_o_\_____ *	Twinkle, twinkle, little .sig,	*(==(/_______\)==) *	Keep it less than 5 lines big.	* \==\/     \/==/
From: hayesj@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (HAYES JAMES MICHAEL JR) Subject: Window start up position for app, how? Keywords: app window, startup position Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 8   How do you set up an app to give its window a default start up position and size? --    Mike Hayes             |"Knowledge is good."  - Faber College Motto   WWW                    |"Knowledge and Thoroughness" -Rensselear Poly Motto   Unemployed Tech,       |"No, thank YOU!"  -Groucho Marx, 'A Day at the Races'   Driven to banging my head against engineering physics for 4 years.
From: jtk@s1.gov (Jordin Kare) Subject: Re: Inflatable Mile-Long Space Billboards (was Re: Vandalizing the sky.) Organization: LLNL Lines: 96 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: s1.gov  yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes: >enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: >>WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993  Washington, DC > >>Now, Space Marketing >>is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on >>a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth >>orbit. > >This sounds like something Lowell Wood would think of.  Does anyone >know if he's involved?  No.  The idea was suggested around here during discussions of possible near-term commercial space activities.  One of the folks involved in those discussions, a spacecraft engineer named Preston Carter, passed the suggestion on to  some entreprenurial types, and Mike Lawson is apparently going ahead with it.  Preston is now at LLNL, and is working with Space Marketing on  the sensors that might be carried. > >>NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, >>since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates >>(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense.   Actually, that sounds unlikely.  I don't know what the launch vehicle would be, but I would expect it to go on a commercial launcher -- certainly not on the Shuttle -- and the fraction of the cost paid to NASA for, e.g.,  launch support would probably  cover NASA's incremental costs pretty well.  >>This >>may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of >>Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the >>project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone >>monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs. > >This may be the purpose for the University of Colorado people.  My >guess is that the purpose for the Livermore people is to learn how to >build large, inflatable space structures.  No, as noted, LLNL is involved in lightweight sensor design, per  Clementine and related programs.  I'm sure folks around here would like to  see a demonstration of a modern inflatable structure, but after all,  the U.S. did the Echo satellites long ago, and an advertising structure would not be much closer to an inflatable space station than Echo was (or a parade balloon, for that matter). > >>.......... >>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize >>the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore.  While I happen to personally dislike the idea, mostly because I've got a background in astronomy, it's hardly vandalism -- it would be a short-lived intrusion on the night sky, doing no permanent damage and actually hurting only a small subset of astronomers.  On the other hand, it would certainly draw attention to space.    > >If this is true, I think it's a great idea. > >Learning how to build structures in space in an essential >step towards space development...  Which, unfortunately, this is not likely to contribute much to.  >If such a project also monitors ozone depletion and demonstrates >creative use of (partial) private sector funding in the process -- so >much the better. > >>Is NASA really supporting this junk?  As far as I know, it's a purely commercial venture. > >And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN >news blip?  How serious is this project?  Is this just in the "wild >idea" stage or does it have real funding?  I gather it is being very seriously discussed with possible advertisers. Commercial projects, however, generally don't get "funding" -- they get "customers" -- whether it will have customers remains to be seen. > >>Are protesting groups being organized in the States? > >Not yet.  Though, if this project goes through, I suppose The Return >of Jeremy Rifkin is inevitable...  Nahh.  He's too busy watching for mutant bacteria to notice anything in the sky :-)  > >Brian Yamauchi			Case Western Reserve University >yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu	Department of Computer Engineering and Science  Jordin Kare	jtk@s1.gov	Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory  [These are my personal views only and do not represent official statements or positions of LLNL, the University of California, or the U.S. DOE.]
From: bferrell@cicada.occ.uc.edu (Brett Ferrell) Subject: Re: re: Challenge to Microsoft supporters. Nntp-Posting-Host: cicada.occ.uc.edu Organization: University of Cincinnati Distribution: usa Lines: 15  In article <1993May17.064503.13114@microsoft.com> cliffga@microsoft.com (Clifford Garrett) writes: >/Yes, a lot of what OS/2 2.0 has in common with OS/2 1.x was written by you >/guys. However, many of the things that made OS/2 2.0 so much more successful >/(Win-OS/2, Workplace Shell) than previous versions were IBM work. > >Yes, certainly.  It was IBM that wrote the Windows code!!! > >c Isn't this the point of "a better windows than Windoze". :).    --  Brett D. Sherron-Ferrell		     	     email@bferrell@uceng.uc.edu U. of Cincy					     "Catch the Cats............ College of Engineering				      ...............If you can"
From: ikellyp@info (Paul Kelly) Subject: Re: What does the .bmp format mean? Organization: Curtin University of Technology X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 9  Andrew L. Roberts (robertsa@unix2.tcd.ie) wrote: : What exactly does the windows bitmap format look like? I mean, how is : the data stored: width, height, no. of colours, bitmap data? I couldn't : find anything in ths user manual, is there any other reference material : which would give me this information?  : Thanks, : Andrew Try the windows multimedia development kit, it has most of the file formats defined
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 29 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu   In a previous article, dwjz@bnr.ca (Doug Zolmer) says:  >In article <1993Apr21.100149.1501@rtsg.mot.com>, kissane@black.Berkeley.EDU (John G. Kissane) writes: >|> As a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the US while  >|> here in Europe they are rare??? Just wondering..... > >In many of our cities, there are traffic signals every 100 feet (unsynchronised, >of course (well here in Ottawa anyway)) and the roads are so congested that  >shifting manually is a real pain in the left foot.  Also, most Canadians are >too stupid to learn how to shift manually (gee, I gotta co-ordinate my two >feet on the clutch, brake _and_ accelerator, and I gotta steer, shift _and_ >operate the signals (optional) and radio with my two hands... duh... it   [i agree wholeheartedly!!]  >can't be done).  Also, most North American made cars come with the automatic  >as standard equipment, so why bother with a manual when the car can shift  >for you for no addition money.  not sure about there in CA, but here in US, the manuals are quite often the standard equipment.  Of course, FINDING a car with one might be hard, but if you read the sticker on the window, there is usally an additional 2k or so tacked on for that lousy  tranny.  So you actually ARE paying more, just that it's sometimes hard to find one that is equipped "standard".  (this applies to MOST cars, but not to the luxoyachts..eg caddilac, licolns, etc..)   DREW
From: dgf1@ellis.uchicago.edu (david  farley) Subject: Re: Permanaent Swap File with DOS 6.0 dbldisk Reply-To: dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 35  (stuff deleted) > >Be that what it may, I would really suggest to everyone to take the >opportunity to go to these Technical Workshops.  They aren't actually >incredibly in-depth, but you do get a lot of material about bugs and >optimization straight from those in the know.  Besides that they offer >you HUGE discounts on software.  If I remember correctly, you could pick >up Word 2.0, Excel 4.0, or whatever their presentation program is for $130. >That is the full blown version, not an upgrade or educational version. You >could also pick up Microsoft Office for $500 or something like that.  Myself >I sprang for Word.  The value of these workshops aside, you ought to be able to buy full copies of all this software through your campus bookstore or software distributor at these rates.  I'm not aware that the educational version of Word or Excel is doped down in any way.  > >Well, hope that was helpful to someone.  And besides that I hope someone >will go to a workshop and save a little money. > >And if anyone at Microsoft is reading this -- I really love your products. >I need a job once I graduate also, can we work something out?  ;-) > >Thanks, >Brent Casavant >bcasavan@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu >   --  David Farley                           The University of Chicago Library 312 702-3426                              1100 East 57th Street, JRL-210 dgf1@midway.uchicago.edu                         Chicago, Illinois 60637 
From: jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) Subject: Re: Why do people become atheists? Organization: Huh?  Whuzzat? Lines: 15  In article <May.7.01.09.44.1993.14556@athos.rutgers.edu> muirm@argon.gas.organpipe.uug.arizona.edu (maxwell c muir) writes: > >I think you should give up the amatuer psysochology :). >... >	In all candor, I would be happy to be proven wrong. Problem is, >I will have to be _proven_ wrong. >	Do I sound "broken" to you?  Absolutely not.  I went through a "journey" of lukewarm Christianity, agnosticism, atheism, agnosticism, and now (although I know my faith is less than what it should be) Christianity again.  I think it's a path many of us take.  Jeff Johnson jcj@tellabs.com
From: jcorry@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu (Jeremy Corry) Subject: MBenz 300 series, VW Passat Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu  -- My boss is interested in a new 300 series Mercedes Benz wagon. Does anyone have any testimonial evidence and/or strong opinions on this car (or line)?  Particularly, I would like to hear about power (manual t. only) reliability, feel, and any unusually good or bad features of the line.  She currently drives a VW Passat, and is being plagued by its electrical problems.  The dealer claims there is nothing wrong, even though the doors have a habit of locking and unlocking them- selves while you are driving down the road.  The automatic shoulder restraints also like to move back and forth as you move along. She does not have the new, larger engine and is quite dissatisfied with its lack of power.  The MB wagon would have to have more power and no peculiar problems such as the Passat's electrical system.  She is also considering a Saab 9000 (add some letters).  Any comparisons between the 9000 line and the Mercedes would be helpful.  Price is not an impediment.  -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeremy J. Corry                    | Churchill claimed the traditions   jcorry@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu     | of the navy are rum, mutiny, and                           __       | sodomy.                           \/                                                   My opinions are my own, but I probably got them from someone else.  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: migraine and exercise Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 20  In article <C4Iozx.7wx@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:  >I have two questions. Is there any obvious connection between the >flushed appearance and the migraine? Was I foolish to play through >the migraine (aside from the visual disturbance affecting my play)? >I just prefer to ignore it when possible. >  The flushing is due to vascular dilation, part of a migraine attack. Some people event get puffy and swollen.  As long as you are careful you can see well enough to avoid getting hit in the face or eye by the ball, migraine will not hurt your health.    --  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ) Subject: ** DOS 4.01 (5.25" or 3.5") for sale -->Cheap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lines: 19 Organization: Dakota State University Lines: 19                    For Sale:         DOS 4.01, with original manuals, box, and         either 5.25" or 3.5" disks (full version,  	NOT OEM).  	** $15.00 (including all shipping charges) ** 	** please respond! bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu  **      ------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Bitz                   Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu Research and Development              bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu Dakota State University       Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet 
From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... Organization: Purdue University    Can we please stick to AUTOMOTIVE topics . Thank you. Lines: 1  
From: jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden) Subject: Re: Latest on Branch Davidians Organization: Motorola LPA Development Lines: 23  In article <Apr.20.03.02.42.1993.3815@geneva.rutgers.edu>, conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) wrote:   > I think it's really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere > man, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and/or a prophet.  It is just as Christ said about his return:  "Some will say, 'He is in the desert.' or some will say, 'He is in the wilderness.'  But do not believe them.  For as lightning flashes east to west so shall the coming of the Son of Man be."                                            { My paraphrase - I think the verse is                                            somewhere in John }  Jon  ---------------- sig file broken....  please try later... ----------------
From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Trivia question Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu  What sadist brought up this vein about Malarchuk?  When I saw what happened I wanted to throw up, and at the same time I was devastated, since I thought that Malarchuk wouldn't survive.  BTW, I believe he picked up an alcohol problem after (before?) the incident.  To radically change the subject, the Caps must be having nightmares about the Isles in overtime in the playoffs.  Have they *ever* beaten the Islanders in a playoff OT game?  This is lunacy.  The Caps are such a sorry team in the playoffs, they consistently choke against opponents who they should be beating.  Losing two OT games in a row is not coincidence, it's evidence of the choke factor.  --     Keith Keller				LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! 	kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu		IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!      In this corner				LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!      Weighing in at almost every weight imaginable . . .       Life, and all that surrounds it.		     -- Blues Traveler, 1993
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From: chenmin@sage.cc.purdue.edu (zhang chenmin) Subject: Cheap airline ticket to L.A. wanted Keywords: airline, ticket, wanted Organization: Purdue University Distribution: usa Lines: 7     Cheap airline ticket to L.A. on April. 21 (tuesday) from Indi. or    Chicago and return about in 10 - 14 days wanted.       Please phone (317) - 743 - 6985 or mail to    chenmin@sage.cc.purdue.edu  
From: cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) Subject: Stop predicting Originator: cdkaupan@c00544-106ps.eos.ncsu.edu Reply-To: cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos Lines: 10   It is really annoying to see all of these predictions on the Net.  Who really cares who you think will win?  Please stop with the predictions, we all know the Caps are going to win the Cup, so let it go at that.   David Kaupang cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu
From: rogerw@world.std.com (Roger A Williams) Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 27  mdonahue@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Donahue) writes:   >I do NOT know much about Adcom Mobil Audio products, but I DO know for a fact >that ADCOM does NOT make its own "High End" Home Audio Equptment and that 80%+ >of it comes directly out of Tiawan...  Like most high-volume manufacturers, Adcom has most of its PC boards assembled off-shore (in their case, mostly in the far east).  Final assembly _and testing_ are done in East Brunswick.  The products are, and have always been, designed entirely in the US; by their own staff and by audiophile gurus like Walter Jung.  Adcom also tends to prefer American and European components over their Japanese/Far East equivalents.  Off-shore assembly is one reason that Adcom is able to make products that perform as well as those from people like Audio Research and Van Alstine (and better than Hafler and Forte'), but at a much lower cost.  Of course, if your musical diet consists mostly of Rock, you might prefer components from Kenwood or Pioneer...  Roger Williams		| "Most great discoveries are made rogerw@world.std.com	|  by accident: the larger the consulting engineer	|  funding, the longer it takes to Middleborough, Mass.	|  have that accident."
From: CPB004@email.mot.com (Philip Bush) Subject: Re: Plug wires -- Do they really need replacement? Organization: Motorola, Inc., Schaumburg, IL, USA Distribution: na Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.148.5 Lines: 32  In article <1rgvv2$am4@haven.umd.edu>, vadik@cs.umd.edu (Vadim Maslov) wrote: >  >  > Hi, netters >  > I went to "All Tune and Lube" for routine maintenance > and they said I need to change plug wires because > they are original ones and "you driven 70+ K miles on them". > I had a strong suspicion that they just wanted to make money. > Wires had no visible defects and my repair manual doesn't > recommend any scheduled maintenance for them. >  > Is it "plain vanilla" rip off?  > Or there can be some backing behind  > their suggestion to replace wires? >  > I have Ford Taurus 86. >  >  > Vadim Maslov.   I once had a sparking problem with my '65 Mustang, and simply changing the spark plug wires fixed it.  /===============================================================\ | Philip Bush                      |     National Champion      | | Motorola, Inc., Schaumburg, IL   |    SHO Convention Show     | | Email: CPB004@email.mot.com      |    3rd Place - Concours    | | Phone: (708) 576-3175            |           Judged           | \===============================================================/
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From: dietrijj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (dietrijj) Subject: WHAT A DEAL!! Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 36  BOY OH BOY, HAVE I GOT A DEAL FOR YOU !!!!!!!!!  How does this sound.......  	I have decided to sell all of this as a package deal, (unless someone really wants something seperate, then I'm open to that as well).....  	Kramer Striker 100st electric guitar 		Dark metallic blue... 		Floyd Rose Tremlo... 		Tuning lockers at the nut... 		Great action, all-around great guitar!!  			-plus-  	Korg pme40x professional modular effects pedal board 		Has flanger, chorus, and graphic equilizer... 		Has a unique bonus...you can buy seperate pedal "boxes" 			that sort of slide into any of the 4 existing slots.. 		Mono input, STEREO output... 		Perfect for the electric or acoustic guitars!!!  			-plus- 	 	DOD American Metal distortion pedal 		Durable, great sounding pedal... 		Goes great with the Korg pedal board!!  There you have it!  Everything you need for a great sound!!! Yours as a package deal for only........$300 o.b.o.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Respond by email to  dietrijj@mentor.cc.purdue.edu  or by phone at (317) 495-4426 and ask for Jason.  Thanks in advance!!!  -Jason Dietrich
From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) Subject: Re: Pens fans reactions Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 18  In article <1993Apr22.102420.2694@sei.cmu.edu> sad@sei.cmu.edu (Susan Dart) writes: >Amongst Penguins' fans there seems to be an inner calm that I've never >experienced before this year with the Pens. The players and the fans have so >much confidence in the team this year. We're savoring every game and saving >our energy for the Stanley Cup.  That's not inner calm.  It's boredom, and it's being spoiled.  The Arena's been as quiet as a church on many nights this year; too many of us just take winning for granted.  It's been seemingly forever since the team lost, and we've forgotten what it's like to feel real excitement and surprise at victory.  While I'm glad to have the Pens doing so well, in some ways it was a better high back when the Pens beat the Bruins two years ago, and the Rangers last year. Too much of a good thing is not always good for you.  rick 
From: jkatz@access.digex.com (Jordan Katz) Subject: SSRT Roll-Out Speech Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 101 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net                                 SSRT ROLLOUT                  Speech Delivered by Col. Simon P. Worden,                      The Deputy for Technology, SDIO                                                        Mcdonnell Douglas - Huntington Beach                               April 3,1993       Most of you, as am I, are "children of the 1960's."  We grew up in an age of miracles -- Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles, nuclear energy, computers, flights to the moon.  But these were miracles of our parent's doing.  For a decade and more the pundits have told us - "you've lost it!"  The "me" generation is only living on the accomplishments of the past.       You and I have even begun to believe the pessimists.  We listen in awe as the past generation tells of its triumphs.  Living history they are.  We are privileged to hear those who did it tell of it.  A few weeks ago some of this very team listened in awe as General Bernie Schriever told of his team's work - and yes struggle - to build this nation's Intercontinental Ballistic Missile.       What stories can we tell?  Blurry-eyed telescopes?  Thousand dollar toilet seats?  Even our space launch vehicles hearken only of that past great time.  They are and seem destined to remain Gen. Schriever's ICBMs.  I find it hard to swell with pride that the best new space-lifter idea is to refurbish old Minuteman and Poseidon ballistic missiles.       Well - The pessimists are wrong.  The legacy is continuing.  This event is proof.  To our technological parents: We've listened to your stories.  We've caught your enthusiasm and can-do spirit.  And we've learned from your achievements - and your mistakes.  Let me honor one of you who was part of that history and the impetus behind this history - Max Hunter.  You are one of the greatest engineers of the firts great age of space exploration.  Your insight and discipline built the Thor ICBM - later incorporated into today's most successful launch vehicle - The Delta.       You told us in the 60's that a new form of launch vehicle - a single stage reusable rocket - can and should be built.  You advocated this idea tirelessly.  It was elegantly simple, as are all great breakthroughs.  You showed us how to build it.  You convinced us it could be done.  You are working by our side to weld its components into place.  Most important - you reminded us of a prime engineering principle - undoubtably one you learned from the generation before you - the generation that built transcontinental aviation in the 1920's and 30's - build a little and test a little and Max, you passed all of this on  to people like Pat Ladner who started this program for the SDI.       Douglas Aircraft didn't start with a DC-10.  They didn't even start with a DC-3.  Our grandfathers built a little, tested a little - even sold a little and made a little money - before they moved on to the next step.  They didn't take a decade or more before putting the first "rubber on the road."  Max Hunter - you didn't take ten years to build Thor, and by God we're not going to take ten years to show that low cost, single stage, reusable aerospace transportation is real.       We ended the cold war in a few short years.  It took the  same team here today but a few years to show through the Strategic Defense Initiative that the cold war must end.  We - you and us - launched a series of satellites - The Delta experiments - in about a year apiece.  This, more than anything else signaled our commitment to end the impasse between ourselves and the Soviet Union.  Those who made the decisions on both sides have underscored the importance of our work in bringing about a new international relationship.       But it is the same team which is now  putting in place the framework for an aerospace expansion that is our legacy for the next generation.  We will make space access routine and affordable.       We built this magnificent flying machine in two years.  This summer a true rocket ship will take off and land on earth for the first time.  Then we can and surely will build in the next three years a reusable sub-orbital rocket.  It will allow us to use space rapidly, affordably, and efficiently as no other nation can.  And yes - we'll make a little money off it too!       Then - and only then - we'll spend another three years to build a fully reusable single stage to orbit system.  The DC-3 of space will be a reality!  We may even be able to use some of the rocket propulsion breakthroughs of our former cold war adversaries.  What a wonderful irony if this SDI product and Russian efforts to counter SDI merge to power mankind's next step to the stars!       To be sure, we must guard against the temptations to leap to the final answer.  Robert Goddard's first rockets weren't Saturn V's!  If we succumb  to the temptation to ask  for just a few extra dollars and a few more years to jump immediately to a full orbital system - we will fail.  Max Hunter and his colleagues showed the way.  Three years and a cloud of dust - in our case rocket exhausts.  There is no short-cut.  If we expect to reshape the world again - we must do it one brick at a time.  Minds on tasks at hand!       This project is real.  The torch of American technological greatness is being passed.  We are Americans.  This machine is American.  Let's go fly it!
From: cbrasted@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Charles Brasted) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: The University of Adelaide Lines: 123 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: adelphi.itd.adelaide.edu.au Keywords: Dan Bissell  bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:  >	First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian.  It  >makes sense to be one.  Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar,  >lunatic, or the real thing?  (I might be a little off on the title, but he  >writes the book.  Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity,  >in the process he became a Christian himself.  I assume you are posting to encourage comments - how much history has Tony Campello read?  Not much it seems.   >	The arguements he uses I am summing up.  The book is about whether  >Jesus was God or not.  I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a  >different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what  >others have to say.    It is good to hear that there are a few reasonable Christians about. If only those christian "scientists" would take note.  (In Australia there is a very strong movement, a bunch of christian  scientists who believe that every single event in the bible is exactly true, and that there is a rational explanation for it all that can be justified by using the laws of physics.  For example, there are a few chaps who are  trying to prove that the age of the universe is 6000 years old, and that the error in conventional calculations is the result of the fact that the speed  light has been rapidly decaying over the years, and this has not been  accounted for. :-] )  >	The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a  >modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was.  Or (of course), that he never existed, and the bible was a story, and was never  intended to become a manifesto for a billion people.  Did Tony follow that one up?  >	Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows.  Who would  >die for a lie?  Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar?  People  >gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing  >someone who was or had been healed.    Millions of people have "died for a lie".  This  point is difficult to  substantiate since it is not well defined (a great many religious arguments work in that way), but consider the many Aztec warriors who sacrificed  themselves to their gods in the belief that this act would bring them victory of the Spanish invaders.  The list is endless.  The Aztecs lost, BTW.  >Call me a fool, but I believe he did heal people.    That is perfectly reasonable, but it is not grounds for me (or anyone) to become a christian.  More to the point, it does not add weight to the claim that Jesus was the "real thing".   >	Niether was he a lunatic.  Would more than an entire nation be drawn  >to someone who was crazy.  Very doubtful, in fact rediculous.  For example  >anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see  >this right away.  Have you ever seen a documentary about the rise of Nazi Germany?  More to the point, did Tony mention this?  One could hardly call Werner Heisenberg and his many colleagues  fools, or  illogical men, their support of Hitler was based  (I presume) upon an emotional issue rather than a rational agreement with  his principles.  Obviously my argument is invalid if Tony thought that Hitler was sane....     >	Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the  >real thing.    Hmmm.... I don't think his arguments warrant the use of a "Therefore..."  >	Some other things to note.  He fulfilled loads of prophecies in  >the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone.  This in his betrayal  >and Crucifixion.  I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I  >write I will use it.  This is (unfortunately) what alot of religious discussions I have had with people result in - quoting the bible.  The only reasonable way I think people can look at the bible is to treat the stories as some sort of metaphorical representation of the messages that the authors were trying to present.  If someone tries to interpret parts of the bible literally, he or she will end up in all sorts of shit.     Tony's argument would be perfectly reasonable for people who believe the events described in the bible took place, but to convince someone,  who thinks the bible is total fiction, that Jesus is real by quoting the book is totally pointless.  For example, in mathematics you cannot say "a is equal to b because a is equal to b".      >	I don't think most people understand what a Christian is.    That would possibly explain why there have so many people being killed  in religious wars, and why there are hundreds of different versions all claiming to be correct.    It  >is certainly not what I see a lot in churches.  Rather I think it  >should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's  >sake.  He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the  >same.  Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives  >over to him.  That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a  >real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at.  But  >just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes  >time.  We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life.   >It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in  >a while.  We box everything into time units.  Such as work at this  >time, sports, Tv, social life.  God is above these boxes and should be  >carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for  >ourselves.  	    I think if you posted this part to alt.religion you would get more flames than here :-).  I have never really understood why the emotional sentiments of a stranger should be of interest to other people.   Someone famous said that there two evils in life, polititians and churchs, one rules by fear of the living, the other by fear of the dead.  If I am pressed I could probably find the exact quotation.  Cheers, Charles.
From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA Lines: 22  In article <1qmcih$dhs@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: >They light the highways in Texas?  Funny, everywhere else I've been >they only light 'em at junctions.  	And armadillo crossings.  >Texas is pretty much an edge-case -- you can't assume that everywhere >has roads in such good condition, such flat terrain, and such >wide-open spaces.  It just ain't so.  	Well, let's see, in just my own _personal_ experience there's Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Wyoming, Utah, South Dakota, Nebraska,  Minnesota, Montana, Florida, and parts of Louisianna.  	Nobody said "Let's go into town and drive 130 on Main St." And you couldn't go that fast on the graveled washboard that passes for highway in some parts.  But that "only really expensive cars should be driven fast" crap, is, well, crap...  								wr  
From: T.G.Nattress@newcastle.ac.uk (Graeme Nattress) Subject: Re: Cults Vs. Religions? Nntp-Posting-Host: newton Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK, NE1 7RU Lines: 12  jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes:   A religion is a cult which if those in power belong to it.  Actually, they're all bull shit.  Graeme, {---    T.G.Nattress@uk.ac.ncl -----------------------------------------} {-----Hitler is Nibor from the Planet Vashir, the Galactic     ---------} {---  shape-changing psychopath. ---------------------------------------} {-----John, The Tomorrow People, Hitler's Last Secret.------------------}
From: salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) Subject: Re: Hell_2:  Black Sabbath Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 25  In article <Apr.20.03.02.07.1993.3791@geneva.rutgers.edu>, REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes: > [In looking through my files this weekend, I ran across some lyrics from > various rock groups that have content.  Here are two from Black Sabbath's > "Master of Reality".  I'll say this much for the music of the '60's and early > '70's, at least they asked questions of significance.  Jethro Tull is another > to asked and wrote about things that caused one to wonder. --Rex]  >   It is interesting that you posted those lyrics, because just the other day I was thinking of doing the same.  I like those lyrics, since whenever I am approached by judgemental, pharisitical, evangelical fundamentalists who throw the Bible at me because I have long hair, wear a black leather jacket, and listen to Black Sabbath, I have something to throw back.  Usually their chins drop and they come up speechless over those not very satanic lyrics.  It just goes to show that there are more important evils in the world to battle than rock lyrics...........   -- Steven C. Salaris                We're...a lot more dangerous than 2 Live Crew salaris@carcs1.wustl.edu         and their stupid use of foul language because 				 we have ideas.  We have a philosophy. 					      Geoff Tate -- Queensryche
From: jfp001@acad.drake.edu Subject: Re: Goalie Mask Update Lines: 41 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad.drake.edu Organization: Drake University, Des Moines, Iowa, USA  In article <93289@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes: >  > 	Here are the results after three days of voting. Remember 3pts for  > 1st, 2 for 2nd, and 1 for 3rd. Also, you can still turn in votes! And.. if > the guy isn't a regular goalie or he is retired, please include the team!  > Thanks for your time, and keep on sending in those votes! >  > Player                  Team                  Pts     Votes > ----------------------------------------------------------- > 1. Brian Hayward        San Jose              15        6 >    Andy Moog            Boston                15        6 > 3. Curtis Joseph        St. Louis             11        5 > 4. Ed Belfour           Chicago               10        5 > 5. Gerry Cheevers       Boston (retired)       5        3  >    Manon Rheaume        Atlanta (IHL)          5        2 >    Ron Hextall          Quebec                 5        2 > 8. Don Beaupre          Washington             4        2 > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Others receiving 1 vote: Artus Irbe (SJ), Tim Cheveldae (Det), >  Clint Malarchuck (Buf/SD,IHL), Grant Fuhr (Buf), Rick Wamsley  >  (Tor,ret), Jon Casey (Minn), John Vanbiesbrouck (NYR), >  Ken Dryden (Mon,ret), Bob Essensa (Win), Mike Vernon (Cal), >  Glenn Healy (NYI), Tommy Soderstron (???), Ray LeBlanc (USA). >   C'mon, Tommy Soderstrom is having a fine rookie (I think he's a rookie) season with the Flyers. I'm sure most of you knew that already, but just in case.   John P. jfp001@acad.drake.edu A longtime, but realistic Ranger fan who's willing to admit that the Rangers sucked big-time this year. They don't even deserve the luxury of a nice golf course with a warm breeze. God, talk about underachievers! Mike Keenan - we're waiting for you! >  > --  > GO SKINS!    ||"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite > GO BRAVES!   ||   an effect on you?" - Mike Patton, Faith No More  > GO HORNETS!  || > GO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu
From: Lawrence Curcio <lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: Can men get yeast infections? Organization: Doctoral student, Public Policy and Management, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 6 Distribution: na NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1rimd6$gi6@agate.berkeley.edu>  My (then) wife used to get recurrent yeast infections. One day, her doctor sent her home with medication for her and a pill for me. I took the pill, upon her insistence, and was very relieved the next day when I looked it up in the PDR. It only RARELY causes testicular atrophy...  Anyway, men apparently do get yeast infections.
From: malcolm@emcamiga.UUCP (Malcolm Crosby) Subject: FORSALE :- Microbotics Hardframe SCSI Controller. Reply-To: emcamiga!malcolm@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us Distribution: na Organization: Personal UUCP System Lines: 8  Forsale :- One Microbotics Hardframe SCSI Controller for the A2000. Make me an offer.  ---- E. Malcolm Crosby  Internet:   mcrosby@bsa1.kent.edu E-Mail:     emcamiga!malcolm@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (E-Mail Please)
From: hsneits@nyx.cs.du.edu (Osku Sneits) Subject: BUING: Accelerator 4 500/1000/2000 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 7  I had a deal on one, but the buyer disappear, so here we go again:  I am in the market for an inexpensive accelerator for 500-2000 series. Lucas/Frances, A2620 or similair preferred. If you have something like this, please offer me. My address is hsneits@nyx.cs.du.edu, and you propably can reach me at my home: +358-0-802-6747 too. 
From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 37  In article <116551@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:   (Deletion) >>That's was the original answer. While it does not say that he has the head >>necessarily up its ass, it would be meaningless and pointless if it was not >>insinuated. > > >I don't see a header referring to Bob as the poster to whom I was >responding. I distinctly remember thinking I was responding to you >when I wrote this, in which case I would make no apologies. But >in the event that I _was_ in fact responding to Bob, I hereby >apologize to Bob for _insinuating_ such a thing. Sorry Bob. >On the other hand, it could be that Ben has his head so far up >his ass that he can't tell himself from Bob. >   Sorry, Gregg, it was no answer to a post of mine. And you are quite fond of using abusing language whenever you think your religion is misrepresented. By the way, I have no trouble telling me apart from Bob Beauchaine.     I still wait for your answer to that the Quran allows you to beat your wife into submission. You were quite upset about the claim that it was in it, to be more correct, you said it wasn't.   I asked you about what your consequences were in case it would be in the Quran, but you have simply ceased to respond on that thread. Can it be that you have found out in the meantime that it is the Holy Book?   What are your consequences now? Was your being upset just a show? Do you simple inherit your morals from a Book, ie is it suddenly ok now? Is it correct to say that the words of Muhammad reflect the primitive Machism of his society? Or have you spent your time with your new gained freedom?    Benedikt
From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: WC: Scores and standings, April 18 Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 71 Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se    1993 World Championships in Germany:  ====================================  	Group A standings (Munich)	Group B	standings (Dortmund) 	--------------------------	----------------------------  	           GP  W T L GF-GA P	              GP  W T L GF-GA P  	Sweden      1  1 0 0  1-0  2	Germany        1  1 0 0  6-0  2 	Italy       1  0 1 0  2-2  1 	Czech republic 1  0 1 0  1-1  1 	Russia      1  0 1 0  2-2  1	USA            1  0 1 0  1-1  1 	Canada      0  0 0 0  0-0  0	Finland        0  0 0 0  0-0  0 	Switzerland 0  0 0 0  0-0  0	France         0  0 0 0  0-0  0 	Austria     1  0 0 1  0-1  0	Norway         1  0 0 1  0-6  0     April 18:  Italy - Russia    2-2           Norway - Germany      0-6             Sweden - Austria  1-0           USA - Czech republic  1-1   April 19:  Canada - Switzerland					15:30             Russia - Austria                Finland - France		20:00   April 20:  Sweden - Canada                 Czech republic - Germany	15:30             Switzerland - Italy             Finland - USA		20:00   April 21:                                  Germany - France		15:30             Italy - Sweden                  Czech republic - Norway	20:00   April 22:  Switzerland - Russia            USA - France		15:30             Austria - Canada                Norway - Finland		20:00   April 23:  Switzerland - Austria           Germany - Finland		20:00   April 24:  Russia - Sweden                 Czech republic - France	15:30             Canada - Italy                  USA - Norway		20:00   April 25:  Sweden - Switzerland            Finland- Czech republic  	15:30             Russia - Canada                 Germany - USA		20:00   April 26:  Austria - Italy                 France - Norway		20:00     PLAYOFFS:  =========   April 27:	Quarterfinals 		A #2 - B #3						15:30 		A #3 - B #2						20:00   April 28:	Quarterfinals 		A #1 - B #4						15:30 		A #4 - B #1						20:00   April 29:	Relegation 		A #5 - B #6						15:30 		A #6 - B #5						20:00   April 30:	Semifinals 		A #1/B #4 - A #3/B #2					15:30 		A #4/B #1 - A #2/B #3					20:00   May 1:		Relegation						14:30 		Bronze medal game 					19:00   May 2:		FINAL							15:00  --  ((\\  //| Staffan Axelsson               \\  //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se     \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey  
From: wein1@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (david weinberg) Subject: Re: Octopus in Detroit? Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX  The tradition of the octopus started back in the 1950s. It was tradition to toss an octopus out on the ice during the first play-off games because you needed eight wins for Stanely Cup.  Today people toss octupi anytime it gets near the   play-offs. Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: sleepy.cc.utexas.edu  David  
From: ns14@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Nathan Otto Siemers) Subject: Re: Analgesics with Diuretics In-Reply-To: dyer@spdcc.com's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 03:28:57 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: crux3.cit.cornell.edu Organization: Department of Chemistry, Cornell Univ. Lines: 34  >>>>> On Tue, 6 Apr 1993 03:28:57 GMT, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) said:   | In article <ofk=lve00WB2AvUktO@andrew.cmu.edu> Lawrence Curcio <lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: |>I sometimes see OTC preparations for muscle aches/back aches that |>combine aspirin with a diuretic.   | You certainly do not see OTC preparations advertised as such.  | The only such ridiculous concoctions are nostrums for premenstrual  | syndrome, ostensibly to treat headache and "bloating" simultaneously.  | They're worthless.  |>The idea seems to be to reduce |>inflammation by getting rid of fluid. Does this actually work?    | That's not the idea, and no, they don't work.  	I *believe* there is a known synergism between certain analgesics and caffiene.  For treating pain, not inflammation.  	Now that I am an ibuprofen convert I haven't taken it for some time, but excedrin really works! (grin)  Nathan     | --   | Steve Dyer  | dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer --   ......:bb|`:||,	nathan@chemres.tn.cornell.edu     ...  .||:   `||bbbbb    ..   ,:`     .``"P$$$       .||. ,  .  `  .`P$
From: mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) Subject: Re: Mormon temples Lines: 20  jwindley@cheap.cs.utah.edu (Jay Windley) writes: [material deleted]  >Some object to the idea that Christianity should involve secrets of >any kind.  Mormon scholars have provided historical evidence of early >Christian practices which parallel Mormon temple ceremonies. >Obviously one can choose whether or not to subscribe to such a >historical interpretation, but Mormon practice is not without >precedent in Christianity. [deletions]   I don't necessarily object to the secrecy but I do question it, since I see no  Biblical reason why any aspect of Christian worship should involve secrecy.   But I am interested in your claim that early Christian practices "parallel"  Mormon temple ceremonies.  Could you give an example?  Also, why do they only  parallel Mormon ceremonies?  Why don't Mormon ceremonies restore the original  Christian practices?  Wasn't that the whole point of Joseph Smith's stated  mission?  - Mark
From: amh2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ALOIS M. HIMSL) Subject: Re: BMW 528i Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 41  In article <1993Apr25.180954.20425@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu  writes: >I looked at that Bimmer yesterday. It's an '81, has about 90kmi, according >to owner (odometer stopped working at 68Kmi). Drivess well, sounds good, >body is OK, he wants $3000. >i liked the car, despite it's auto tranny, but my wife will be a primary >driver on this one, and she wants auto. >The radio does not work untill the car warms up and you honk the horn (!) >The A/C seems to have a leak. >The sunroof is sticky, but operational. >Odometer does not work, as mentioned before. >Idle is a bit bouncy, going from 900rpm to 1200rpm. >Wipers are slow. >That's teh gripes. The owner says that he changed radiator, alternator, >rotors and calipers, exhaust. >The biggest problem, is that the owner is a shifty SOB, telling strange >stories. I hate that. I would never buy from a persom like that, except, how >often you see a descent 528i for that amount of money. He also said that, >although I could bring a mechanicin, he wouldn't let me check the car by taking  >it to a garage. Suspicious. And who knows what milage is on it. >So, let me know what to check for, given there's practically no rust. >I know there was an article on 528i in R&D a few years back, anybody remembers >what issue? >Mike.S > DON'T BUY IT!  All of the things you mentioned will just give you headaches later on.  ALso it sounds like the car needs a lot of work and as you probably know BMW's are not cheap to fix either.  The owner sounds like a shady character just trying to take advantage of someone. Sure $ 3000 sounds good but you should calculate how much the repairs will be. It sounds like you would have to sink in at least $ 1000 to get everything fixed if not more. Also never trust anyone as far as mileage is concerned. Who knows how many miles are on it and how it was driven.  Sure people tell you BMW's hold up but you have to consider any car is subject to wear and tear. For all you know it could have 200,000 miles on it.  The thing you have to remember is that this isn't the last 528i around either. Just wait and keep shopping. For around $ 5000-6000 you can probably find one that is better, needs less repair, and has legitimate mileage unlike the one you are considering. Take it from a guy who has been taken a couple of times. Good luck. Al Himsl
From: grantk@nosc.mil (Kelly J. Grant) Subject: Strange 386 enhanced behavior... Keywords: 386 enhanced, Paradox Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation Lines: 45  Howdy  We have been having a real problem with an AST 386sx/16 machine with 4mb of RAM.  We installed Paradox for Windows, (but I don't think  Paradox is the real problem here), and the installation went ok (windows is installed on a local drive, paradox installed on a novell network (netware 386 v3.26 or greater), DOS 5, Win 3.1) but the program will not load in 386 enchanted mode.  The thermometer bar goes to 60% and we then either get a 'invalid command.com' or a windows nastygram talking about an illegal instruction.  I've checked out the command.com thing, but as a long-time C programmer, I've crashed my share of machines with pointer problems and this is a standard behavior :-)  Anyway, paradox will run in standard mode, but not enhanced.  We also have quattro pro windows, exhibiting the same behavior.  Spent about 2 hours with Borland's tech people, with no avail.  The guy I talked to a microsoft didn't want to really dig in and help, as he gave up pretty quickly. Somewhat disappointing, really.  I expected more from Microsoft.  You'd think with all the millions of windows installations that they would have seen all the possible problems, but I guess not...  Microsoft had sent us a 13 page fax on fixing UAE and General Protection faults (sorry, I can't fax anything out of here so please don't ask, try Microsoft), which we tried.  We did *everything* they said, and still no luck.  So.  If you can help, please mail me.  This problem is driving us nuts. I will greatly appreciate any information anyone can pass on.  Thanks  Kelly -------------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS IS THE REAL SIGNATURE...Please ignore the following demon signature..  Kelly J. Grant     grantk@nosc.mil 4045 Hancock St    (619) 225-2562  "The next time someone asks you if you San Diego, CA 92110                 are a god, you say YES!"  :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------  --  Kelly Grant        grantk@manta.nosc.mil   (619) 553-0850 Computer Sciences Corp          ^^^^^^^^ Important: manta.UUCP won't get to me 4045 Hancock Street      "If you are given lemons.....see if you can trade for San Diego, CA 92110       chocolate" - me
From: "Rajeev T. Chellapilla" <rc4u+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: MBenz&Bmw Question Organization: Freshman, Biology, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu  When do the new M.benz "C" class cars come out? The new nomenclature that MB has adopted will it only apply to the "c" class cars or will it also apply to the current "s" class cars. Does any one know what will replace the current 300 class since the "c" class will be smaller and more in line with the current 190.  Another question, Is BMW realising a new body style on the current 7 series and 5 series. They seem to be a bit dated to me.
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From: hathaway@stsci.edu Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Lines: 81 Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute Distribution: na  >Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space >Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. >  My apologies if this is a re-post - I submitted it on Friday, but  got a message that my post might not have gone out.  Considering  the confusing spitting contest over 'rights', (there are TOO  inalienable rights damn it!  The majority can be just as destructive  of liberty as a despot), I suspect that my post did not get out  of my site.    (I ain't saying that dark skies are included in these  rights, although we can only preserve any rights by exercising them.)     Anyway, here are my thoughts on this:    I'd like to add that some of the "protests" do not come from a strictly  practical consideration of what pollution levels are acceptable for  research activities by professional astronomers.  Some of what I  would complain about is rooted in aesthetics.  Many readers may  never have known a time where the heavens were pristine - sacred -  unsullied by the actions of humans.  The space between the stars  as profoundly black as an abyss can be.  With full horizons and  a pure sky one could look out upon half of all creation at a time  - none of which had any connection with the petty matters of man.  Any lights were supplied solely by nature; uncorruptable by men.   Whole religions were based on mortal man somehow getting up there  and becoming immortal as the stars, whether by apotheosis or a belief  in an afterlife.    The Space Age changed all that.  The effect of the first Sputniks  and Echo, etc. on this view could only happen once.  To see a light  crossing the night sky and know it was put there by us puny people  is still impressive and the sense of size one gets by assimilating  the scales involved is also awesome - even if the few hundreds or  thousands of miles involved is still dwarfed by the rest of the universe.   But there is still a hunger for the pure beauty of a virgin sky.   Yes, I know aircraft are almost always in sight.  I have to live  in a very populated area (6 miles from an international airport  currently) where light pollution on the ground is ghastly.  The  impact of humans is so extreme here - virtually no place exists  that has not been shaped, sculpted, modified, trashed or whipped  into shape by the hands of man.  In some places the only life  forms larger than bacteria are humans, cockroaches, and squirrels  (or rats).  I visited some friends up in the Appalacian mountains  one weekend, "getting away from it all" (paved roads, indoor plumbing,  malls, ...) and it felt good for a while - then I quickly noticed  the hollow was directly under the main flight path into Dulles - 60-80  miles to the east.  (Their 'security light' didn't help matters  much either.)  But I've heard the artic wilderness gets lots of  high air traffic.  So I know the skies are rarely perfect.   But there is still this desire to see a place that man hasn't  fouled in some way.  (I mean they've been TRYING this forever -  like, concerning Tesla's idea to banish night, - wow!)  I don't watch  commercial television, but I can imagine just how disgusting beer,  truck, or hemmorrhoid ointment advertisements would be if seen up so high.   If ya' gotta make a buck on it (displaying products in heaven), at  least consider the reactions from those for whom the sky is a last beautiful refuge from the baseness of modern life.    To be open about this though, I have here my listing of the passage  of HST in the evening sky for this weekend - tonight Friday at  8:25 p.m. EDT it will reach an altitude of 20.1 degrees on the  local meridian from Baltimore vicinity.  I'll be trying to see it  if I can - it _is_ my mealticket after all.  So I suppose I could  be called an elitist for supporting this intrusion on the night sky  while complaining about billboards proposed by others.  Be that  as it may, I think my point about a desire for beauty is valid,  even if it can't ever be perfectly achieved.   Regards,  Wm. Hathaway  Baltimore MD    (P.S. added Tuesday - this again is not a rights/vs./reality tome,  just a warning that someone into destroying beauty had better know  that other people may not accept it without a complaint.)  
From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) Subject: rec.autos: Frequently Asked Questions Keywords: Monthly Posting Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 04:03:03 GMT Lines: 251  Archive-name: rec-autos/part4  [this article is one of a pair of articles containing commonly asked automotive questions; the other article contains questions of general consumer interest, and is broken out to facilitate crossposting to misc.consumers -- rpw]  [last change: 8 February 1993; CT now permits radar detector usage,     new tire-traction q&a -- rpw]                  Commonly Asked Questions  Radar Questions:  Q:  Where are radar detectors illegal?  A:  In the US, currently Virgina and the District of Columbia prohibit     all usage of radar detectors.  New York prohibits their use in     large trucks.  In Canada, they are illegal in Manitoba, Ontario,     Quebec, Newfoundland and PEI (Prince Edward Island).  They     are apparently are illegal through most, if not all, of Europe.     Legislation which would make them illegal is pending in many other     jurisdictions; chances of such legislation passing varies a great deal.  Q:  Where are Radar Detector Detectors used?  Do they really work?  A:  Usage is spreading rapidly; initially they were used only in Canada,     but now they are appearing in New York and Virginia.  It is unsafe     to assume that they are not in use in Connecticut and D.C.     They work by detecting a certain frequency radiated by many currently     available super Het radar detectors; some brands of detector radiate     more strongly than others, and are thus more likely to be spotted.     New radar detectors are becoming available which may not be detected     by the current generation of detector detectors.  Note that a     detector may only be spotted by one of these devices if it is turned     on.  Q:  What is VASCAR?  Is it some kind of Radar?  A:  VASCAR is nothing more than a fancy stopwatch and time-speed-distance     computer.  It depends on the operator pressing buttons as the target     vehicle passes landmarks.  No radar signals are emitted by a VASCAR     system.  Q:  What is Ka band radar?  Where is it used?  Should a radar detector be     able to handle it?   A:  Ka band has recently been made available by the FCC for use in the US     in so-called photo-radar installations.  In these installations, a     low-powered beam is aimed across the road at a 45 degree angle to the     direction of traffic, and a picture is taken of vehicles which the     radar unit determines to have been in violation of the speed limit.     Tickets are mailed to the owner of the vehicle.  Because of the low     power and the 45 degree angle, many people believe that a radar     detector cannot give reasonable warning of a Ka band radar unit,     although some manufacturers of radar detectors have added such     capability anyway.  The number of locales where photo-radar is in use     is limited, and some question the legality of such units.  Best advice:     learn what photo radar units look like, and keep track of where they     are used (or else, don't speed.)  Q:  Do radar jammers work?  Are they legal?  A:  Quick answer:  No, and Not in the USA.     Detailed answer:  Cheap radar jammers do not work well at all.     Jammers that work are expensive and usually the property of the     military.  Jammers are a major violation of the regulations of the     Federal Communications Commission of the USA.  Driving technique and Vehicle Dynamics Questions:  Q:  What are understeer and oversteer?  A:  Understeer and oversteer are terms describing the behaviour of a     car while cornering near the `limit' (limit of adhesion, that is.)     Most drivers do not normally drive hard enough for these terms to     be descriptive of the situations they encounter.  Simply put, they     tell whether the car wants to go straight in a corner (steer `less',     or `understeer') or it wants to turn more in a corner (`oversteer'.)     Understeer is commonly designed into most production cars so that     untrained drivers, inadvertantly traveling too fast, won't get into     trouble.  Understeer may also be induced by using too much throttle     in a corner.  Oversteer is designed into some more performance     oriented cars; it may be induced by lifting on the throttle (Trailing     throttle oversteer, or TTO).  In extreme cases, lifting on the throttle     may induce so much oversteer that the car reacts by fishtailing or     spinning.      Some technical details:  in a corner at speed, the tires on the car     will develop what are called `slip angles'; the slip angle is the     angular difference between the direction that the car is traveling     and the direction that the steering wheel is directing the car to     travel.  In understeer, the front wheels have a greater slip angle     than the rear wheels.  In oversteer, the rear wheels have a greater     slip angle than the front wheels.  Q: What is a rev-matched downshift?  A: When downshifting, the engine must be rotating faster in the lower gear    than it was in the higher gear.  However, during a downshift, normally    you declutch and lift your foot from the throttle, so the revs drop    rather than increase.  In rev-matched downshift, you blip the throttle    before re-engaging the clutch so that the engine will already be up to    the new speed.  This results in a much smoother and faster downshift.  Q: What does heel-and-toe mean?  A: Heel-and-toe is a technique used to do a rev-matched downshift while    braking.  This is normally challenging, because you need the right foot    for both the brake and throttle.  It is called heel-and-toe because you    use one end of the foot on the brake, and the other on the throttle to    match revs for the downshift.  In many modern cars this is a misnomer;    often you must use the ball of the foot on the brake and the right side    on the throttle.     Note that some race car drivers will skip the clutch, and just use the    left foot on the brake and the right foot on the throttle, accomplishing    the same thing.  Q: What is double-clutch downshifting?  A: While your right foot is doing the above, your left foot can do one of    three things:  nothing, declutch once, or declutch twice.  The reason for    declutching twice is to match the speeds of the two shafts in the    transmission to the speed of the engine.  This is usually coupled with    rev-matching, so that while the engine is in neutral and the clutch    engaged, the throttle is blipped and both shafts of the transmission    speed up.     The procedure is as follows:    (0) declutch    (1) move gearshift lever to neutral    (2) engage clutch    (3) match revs    (4) declutch    (5) move gearshift lever to next lower gear    (6) engage clutch     This sounds like a lot of work, but with practice it becomes natural.    The problem that double-clutching solves is normally the function of the    synchronizers within the gearbox.  In transmissions without synchros or    with very worn synchros, double-clutching makes it much easier to shift.    Basically, if you double-clutch well, you are not using the synchros at    all.  This is generally unnecessary on street cars with synchros in good    condition.  Q: What do the numbers for acceleration from 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad, and    slalom times in the Auto Magazines really mean?  May they be compared?  A: In short, 1) not as much as the magazines want you to believe, and    2) almost never.     In more detail:  the acceleration numbers (0-60mph and 1/4 mile times    in the US) may be vaguely compared as long as they all come from the    same source.  Testing procedures vary so much from magazine to magazine    that comparing a Road & Track number to a Car & Driver number is quite    pointless.  Keep in mind, too, that the same variation applies from    driver to driver on the street; the driver is a major (often *the*    major) part of the equation.     Skidpads vary, and even if they didn't, skidpad figures are really    only tests of the stickiness of the stock tires; they change radically    when tire compounds change.  DO NOT make any assumptions about the    comparative handling of, say, two sports sedans based on skidpad numbers.    This is not to suggest that skidpads are without value, however. Skidpads    are an excellent educational tool at driving schools.  They are simply    of limited value in the comparison of anything except tires.     Slalom times are slightly more useful; they test some small parts of the    automobile's transient response.  However, they are also heavily influenced    by the stock rubber on the car, and they do not test many corners of the    car's envelope.  They DO NOT tell you all you need to know before making    a buying decision.  For example, they don't tell you what the rear end    of the car will do on a road which suddenly goes off-camber.  When a car    has an adjustable suspension, these tests are usually done in the `sport'    setting, which may be quite unsuitable for daily driving.  The list of    caveats could go on for page after page.  Q: My buddy claims that wide tires don't make any difference, according    to his freshman physics textbook, and that you can't ever accelerate    or corner at more than 1.0G.  Does he know what he's talking about?  A: 1) in short:  he hasn't got a clue.     2) in more detail: the equations for friction used in freshman physics    textbooks presume that the surfaces are smooth,  dry and non-deformable,    none of which properly apply to tire traction except in the case of a    stone cold tire on dry pavement which is far below its proper operating    temperature.     Pavement is _never_ smooth; it is always irregular to a greater or lesser    extent.  Tires, which are not really dry and solid (as rubber is a    substance which in its natural form is liquid, and which has only been    coerced into a semblance of solidity by chemical magic), deform to match    the surface of the pavement which a vehicle is traveling over.  In a tire    at operating temperature, grip is actually generated by shear stresses    inside the deformed rubber, and not by anything even remotely resembling    friction in the freshman physics sense of the term.  The colder a tire    is relative to its operating temperature, the closer its behaviour will    be to the traditional concept of friction; if much hotter than the its    proper operating temperature, the more likely the possibility of some    part of the tire actually ``reverting'' to liquid, which is mostly like    to happen deep in the tread, causing characteristic blisters and chunking.    (This latter, though, is almost completely unlikely to happen in normal    street driving, so unless you're a competition driver or do a lot of    high speed track driving, don't worry about it.)     Because tire traction is completely out of the domain of simple friction,    it does not obey the freshman physics equation at all; thus dragsters    accelerate at more than 1.0G and race cars corner and brake at more than    1.0G.  Because simple friction does not apply, it is actually possible    for different sized contact patches to generate differing amounts of    grip.  An actual analysis of tire behavior would require techniques    such as Finite Element Analysis, due to the complexity of the mechanism.  Misc. Questions:  Q:  What does <name or acronym> stand for?  A:  Here is a list of some of the names which are commonly asked     about; be careful in soliciting the meanings of other names     as misinformation abounds on the net.  In particular, NEVER     ask in rec.humor if you want a useful result.      Saab:   Svenska Aeroplan A. B.,               or The Swedish Airplane Corporation      Alfa:   Societa Anonima Lombarda Fabbrica Automobili,               or The Lombardy Automobile Manufacturing Company      Fiat:   Fabbrica Italiana di Automobili Torino,               or The Italian Automobile Manufacturers of Turin      BMW:    Bayerische Motoren Werke,               or Bavarian Motor Works      MG:     Morris Garage   Q:  Does VW own Porsche?  A:  No.  Porsche is a publicly held company, controlled by the Porsche and     Piech families.  Porsche has extensive business dealings with VW/Audi,     which causes some confusion.  Since currently Porsche is in some     financial difficulty, there is a possibility that Mercedes or VW may     be interested in purchasing the company in the near future, but this     is only speculation at this time. --  richard welty        518-393-7228       welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com ``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of   a race car about either its pitch or roll axis''  -- Carroll Smith
From: vestman@cs.umu.se (Peter Vestman) Subject: 768x1024 Trident Driver Wanted! Keywords: Trident Driver Organization: Dep. of Info.Proc, Umea Univ., Sweden Lines: 12  Is there a 768x1024 Trident driver for windows anywere.   This mode is supported by the drivers fo OS/2 but I have not been able to find it for Windows.  (768x1024 means 768 wide and 1024 high as opposed to 1024x768)  Any help is appreciated.  --------------------------------- Peter Vestman Dep of Computing Science University of Umea, Sweden
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From: banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu Subject: Re: Candida(yeast) Bloom, Fact or Fiction Organization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine Lines: 91 Nntp-Posting-Host: vms.ocom.okstate.edu  In article <1rp8p1$2d3@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, esd3@po.CWRU.Edu (Elisabeth S. Davidson) writes: >  > In a previous article, banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu () says: >>least a few "enlightened" physicians practicing in the U.S.  It's really  >>too bad that most U.S. medical schools don't cover nutrition because if  >>they did, candida would not be viewed as a non-disease by so many in the  >>medical profession. >  > Case Western Reserve Med School teaches nutrition in its own section as > well as covering it in other sections as they apply (i.e. B12 > deficiency in neuro as a cause of neuropathy, B12 deficiency in > hematology as a cause of megaloblastic anemia), yet I sill > hold the viewpoint of mainstream medicine:  candida can cause > mucocutaneous candidiasis, and, in already very sick patients > with damaged immune systems like AIDS and cancer patients, > systemic candida infection.  I think "The Yeast Connection" is > a bunch of hooey.  What does this have to do with how well > nutrition is taught, anyway?  Elisabeth, let's set the record straight for the nth time, I have not read  "The Yeast Connection".  So anything that I say is not due to brainwashing  by this "hated" book.  It's okay I guess to hate the book, by why hate me? Elisabeth, I'm going to quote from Zinsser's Microbiology, 20th Edition. A book that you should be familiar with and not "hate". "Candida species  colonize the mucosal surfaces of all humans during birth or shortly  thereafter.  The risk of endogenous infection is clearly ever present.   Indeed, candidiasis occurs worldwide and is the most common systemic  mycosis."  Neutrophils play the main role in preventing a systemic  infection(candidiasis) so you would have to have a low neutrophil count or  "sick" neutrophils to see a systemic infection.  Poor diet and persistent  parasitic infestation set many third world residents up for candidiasis. Your assessment of candidiasis in the U.S. is correct and I do not dispute  it.  What I posted was a discussion of candida blooms, without systemic  infection.  These blooms would be responsible for local sites of irritation (GI tract, mouth, vagina and sinus cavity).  Knocking down the bacterial  competition for candida was proposed as a possible trigger for candida  blooms.  Let me quote from Zinsser's again: "However, some factors, such as  the use of a broad-spectrum antibacterial antibiotic, may predispose to  both mucosal and systemic infections".  I was addressing mucosal infections (I like the term blooms better).  The nutrition course that I teach covers  this effect of antibiotic treatment as well as the "cure".  I guess that  your nutrition course does not, too bad.     >>Here is a brief primer on yeast.  Yeast infections, as they are commonly  >>called, are not truely caused by yeasts.  The most common organism responsible >>for this type of infection is Candida albicans or Monilia which is actually a  >>yeast-like fungus.   >  > Well, maybe I'm getting picky, but I always thought that a yeast > was one form that a fungus could exist in, the other being the > mold form.  Many fungi can occur as either yeasts or molds,  > depending on environment.  Candida exibits what is known as > reverse dimorphism - it exists as a mold in the tissues > but exists as a yeast in the environment.  Should we maybe > call it a mold infection?  a fungus infection?  Maybe we > should say it is caused by a mold-like fungus. >   >>  >>Martin Banschbach, Ph.D. >>Professor of Biochemistry and Chairman >>Department of Biochemistry and Microbiology >>OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine >>1111 West 17th St. >>Tulsa, Ok. 74107 >> >  > You're the chairman of Biochem and Micro and you didn't know  > that a yeast is a form of a fungus?  (shudder) > Or maybe you did know, and were oversimplifying?  My, my Elisabeth, do I detect a little of Steve Dyer in you?  If you  noticed my faculty rank, I'm a biochemist, not a microbiologist. Candida is classifed as a fungus(according to Zinsser's).  But, as you point  out, it displays dimorphism.  It is capable of producing yeast cells,  pseudohyphae and true hyphae.  Elisabeth, you are probably a microbiologist  and that makes a lot of sense to you.  To a biochemist, it's a lot of  Greek.  So I called it a yeast-like fungus, go ahead and crucify me.  You know Elisabeth, I still haven't been able to figure out why such a small  little organism like Candida can bring out so much hostility in people in  Sci. Med.  And I must admitt that I got sucked into the mud slinging too. I keep hoping that if people will just take the time to think about what  I've said, that it will make sense.  I'm not asking anyone here to buy into  "The Yeast Connection" book because I don't know what's in that book, plain  and simple. And to be honest with you, I'm beginning to wish that it was never  written.  Marty B.
From: servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian K Servis) Subject: Re: Ghostscript for win fonts???? Keywords: ghostscript,fonts Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 26  servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian K Servis) writes: That's me.... >I just downloaded the Windows Ghostscript package(gswin252.zip,gs252ini.zip)  >from ftp.  When I load a PS file it says it cant find font and substitutes a >font called Ugly. It is substituting for basic fonts such as Helv, and Cour. >I would imagine that these fonts are included in its font library. Is there >something I am doing wrong or am missing?  These Ugly fonts are not very clear >and well defined, as in sharpness, etc, basically they are ugly!  Any advice >is welcome.   Ok, I realize I have to get the font files from some ftp site.  I found them at cica but I now have another question.....  Are the 24*.zip fonts compatible with gswin252??  >Please email  Brian Servis =========================================================================== ||  servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu   ||         "It Happened This Way"     || ===================================|| actual quotes from insurance claims|| ||  What I say may not be what I   ||                                    || ||  think. What I say may not be   ||  "The pedestrian had no idea which || ||  what Purdue thinks.            ||   way to go, so I ran him over."   || ===========================================================================
From: jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden) Subject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait Organization: Motorola LPA Development Lines: 26  In article <Apr.23.02.55.47.1993.3138@geneva.rutgers.edu>, jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) wrote:  > I'd like to remind people of the withering of the fig tree and Jesus > driving the money changers et. al. out of the temple.  I think those > were two instances of Christ showing anger (as part of His human side). >  Yes, and what about Paul saying:  26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: (Ephesians 4:26).  Obviously then, we can be angry w/o sinning.  Jon  ------------------------------------------------ Jon Ogden         - jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com Motorola Cellular - Advanced Products Division Voice: 708-632-2521      Data: 708-632-6086 ------------------------------------------------  They drew a circle and shut him out. Heretic, Rebel, a thing to flout. But Love and I had the wit to win; We drew a circle and took him in.
From: scharle@lukasiewicz.cc.nd.edu (scharle) Subject: Re: Rawlins debunks creationism Reply-To: scharle@lukasiewicz.cc.nd.edu (scharle) Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame Lines: 31  In article <1r4dglINNkv2@ctron-news.ctron.com>, king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes: |>  |>  |> kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub) writes: |>  |>  |>  |> >  Neither I, nor Webster's has ever heard of Francis Hitchings.  Who is he?  |> >Please do not answer with "A well known evolutionist" or some other such |> >informationless phrase. |>  |> He is a paleontologist and author of "The Neck of the Giraffe".  The |> quote was taken from pg. 103. |>  |> Jack      For your information, I checked the Library of Congress catalog, and they list the following books by Francis Hitching:      Earth Magic      The Neck of the Giraffe, or Where Darwin Went Wrong      Pendulum: the Psi Connection      The World Atlas of Mysteries  --  Tom Scharle                |scharle@irishmvs Room G003 Computing Center |scharle@lukasiewicz.cc.nd.edu University of Notre Dame  Notre Dame, IN 46556-0539 USA
From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) Subject: UPI News Release Originator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com Nntp-Posting-Host: icebucket.stortek.com Organization: Storage Technology Corp. Lines: 82     UPI Washington DC, Update Desk			4/15/93    For the past several months the Clinton administration has been   stymied by mixed signals coming from the economy.  While most   leading indicators has shown an apparent improvement in the    economy, there has been no corresponding improvement in the area   of jobs creation.    The unemployment figures seem stalled at the 7% mark.  last month,   in an effort to understand this problem, President Clinton appointed   a blue ribbon panel to try to resolve the apparent conflicting   economic signals.  This panel was chaired by Vice President Gore.    Today the panel released their results, providing a shocking conclusion.   "It's the guns" Vice President Gore said.  Apparently NRA members, and other   "gun-nuts" are purchasing firearms at in record numbers, pulling the   economy out of the recession.  "Their buying them five times faster than   ever before, and stockpiling left and right", the Vice President said.      However, since many domestic firearm and ammunition manufacturers have   been experiencing hard times during the past few years, including several   declarations of bankruptcy by many leading American gun makers, they have   not rushed to increase hiring to meet the new demand.    "We want to see if this run will continue before hiring more people", said   the President of Colt industries.  "As long as Clinton is in office, we   suspect it will", he added.    In response to this new information, President Clinton announced a new   Gun Control measure to be introduced into Congress this session.  It's    called the "Ban-One-A-Month" Gun Control Bill.  Under the terms of this law,   every make and model of all firearms will be written on individual index    cards.  The cards will all be put in a big hat and the President will draw   one card every month.  Sixty days later that gun will be banned from any   further manufacture/importation or sale in this country, except to the   politically connected and to members of the National Police Force.    The President said, "This law will benefit America two ways.  When the   Gun-Of-The-Month is announced every thirty days, the gun-nuts will run   out and buy thousands of them, boosting the economy even more.  In addition,   over the long run, we will get all of these icky-evil guns off of the   street."  He also announce the appointment of Sarah Brady to oversee   this program, citing her "Honesty, and unbiased view on the subject   of gun control".    Senators Metzenbaum, DeConcini, Feinstein, and Boxer have proposed an   amendment to the Bill which would add additional index cards containing   caliber designations for all know ammunitions.  "Their stockpiling,   stockpiling, stockpiling" screamed Metzenbaum during a press conference   at the national Headquarters of Handgun Control Inc.    Senators Simon, Metzenbaum, and Moyenhan also introduced an amendment   that would make all guns illegal to possess once the last card has been   drawn from the hat.  Senator Simon was quoted as saying, "First we'll   fuck em, then we'll kick em out of bed in the morning", during a press   conference he held in the second floor Mens Restroom of the Senate   building.  He of course was referring to the fact that he would allow   the people to purchase the guns to help the economy, but would require   the BATF to seize all of the guns in America sometime in the year 2008,   after all of the cards have been drawn.    The head of the BATF responded by saying, "We will have to see if this   thing in Waco is over by then.  We may be too busy to seize all those   guns".    US House Representatives Pat Schroeder and David Skaggs of Colorado   declared this proposed law as being "reasonable gun control which won't   affect anybodys Constitutional right to own sporting guns".    - end article -    For the humor impaired :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)                                   Bill Vojak                                 vojak@icebucket.stortek.com 				NRA, ILA,                                 Colorado Firearms Coalition ------------------------------------------------------------ The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER NOT!) The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!) ------------------------------------------------------------
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000 Article-I.D.: news.C51s16.ACz Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 17  rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes:   >Your best bet is the Dodge Intrepid with the SOHC 24 valve 3.4? six. >it gets 214 hp, and has a hell of a lot of room, great styling, and >ABS, with four wheel disk breaks.  The LH cars won Automobile  >magazines  >"automobile of the year" award, and are quiet impressive.  	Is the 24v LH under $16K, though?   --  Chintan Amin  The University of Illinois/Urbana Champaign mail: llama@uiuc.edu ****************************************************************************** *"Because he was human      Because he had goodness      Because he was moral* ***************They called him insane..."  Peart "Cinderella Man"*************
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. Where are they?  <1993Apr24.221344.1@vax1.mankato.msus.edu> Lines: 8  If all of these things have been detected in space, has anyone looked into possible problems with the detectors?  That is, is there some mechanism (cosmic rays, whatever) that could cause the dector to _think_ it was seeing one of these things?  Graydon
From: David.Bernard@central.sun.com (Dave Bernard) Subject: Re: SJ Mercury's reference to Fundamentalist Christian parents Reply-To: David.Bernard@central.sun.com Organization: Sun Microsystems Lines: 15  In article 28120@athos.rutgers.edu, dan@ingres.com (a Rose arose) writes:  >	"Raised in Oakland and San Lorenzo by strict fundamentalist >	Christian parents, Mason was beaten as a child.  He once was > >Were the San Jose Mercury news to come out with an article starting with >"Raised in Oakland by Mexican parents, Mason was beaten...", my face would >be red with anger over the injustice done to my Mexican family members and   Although I'm neither Fundamentalist nor Evangelical, I have often noticed this trend in the media.  In short, it is permissable to bash Fundamentalists. No need to substitue a nationality such as "Mexican..." try simply to  substitute a different religion "...raised by Muslim parents," or "...raised by Jewish parents..."  The paper simply would not do this.
From: mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul) Subject: Re: "National repentance" Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 37  mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:  >I heard on the radio today about a Christian student conference where >Christians were called to "repent" of America's "national" sins, such >as sexual promiscuity.  >How can I repent of _someone else's_ sin?   I can't.  >And when I claim to "repent" of someone else's sin, am I not in fact >_judging_ him?  Jesus equipped us to judge activities but warned us >not to judge people. "Judge not that ye be not judged."  Strictly speaking, you're right - we can't repent _for_ somebody else, for what they've done.  I guess I don't think it's out of line to talk about a generalized repentence for our contribution to or participation in "The sins of society" , or for our tacit approval (by our silence) of sinful attitudes or practices....it may be that we're also just plain begging for mercy, hoping God will withhold his hand of judgement on our whole country for the sake of a few, much as Abraham sought to do for the sake of Lot.  (Hmmm, the results there were pretty cautionary...)  A few times lately when I've observed some either out-and-out sinful  activity, or just some self-destructive activity, I've gotten a strong impression that many folks really don't know any better.  Christ's pity on the crowds as being "like sheep without a shepherd" rings true to me. If these folks don't have a clue, do I bear _any_ responsibility for my not having communicated a better way?  Worse still; have I expressed  judgement and disgust at their doings, and thus alienated them from any  positive relationship whereby I might pass along anything positive?   I _know_ I've got something to repent about on that score.  Anyway, it's a real interesting question.   -- paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ ..........   .. . .  . . . university of nebraska - lincoln .  . . .. . .  .. . . . . . . .  .     .    .  .   .     .   .  .    .   .  .   .    .   .  grace .   .    .  .     .         .       .      .        .        .      .        .   happens .     
From: cfdeb01@ux1.cts.eiu.edu (Dixon Berry) Subject: Mail_Order Sales, Billing, Receivables program Organization: Eastern Illinois University Lines: 20   Surely some one of you is familiar with what a mail-order company goes through. This company has only a few products, but thousands of clients. I need a Sales, Billing, and Receivables program to handle the thing, but I need to be able to customize it myself, own the source, etc. Anyone willing to sell me the basic stuff (in ANY development language) I'll be willing to pay about $1,000 to.   It has to be ready now. I need this sort of solution immediately. With more time I'll just develop one myself. If you can have me a prototype in two weeks, you can make some quick cash.  ************************************************************************* | Dixon Berry                       "I see the light                    | | cfdeb01@ux1.cts.eiu.edu              at the end of the tunnel, now,   | | Eastern Illinois University        [thanks Bill Clinton]              | | Booth Library                      Someone please tell me             | | Computer Resource Center             it's not a train                 | |                                                -- Cracker             | *************************************************************************
From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: some thoughts. Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 12  In article <bissda.4.734849678@saturn.wwc.edu> bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:   >        The arguements he uses I am summing up.  The book is about whether >Jesus was God or not.  I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a >different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what >others have to say.   Read the FAQ first, watch the list fr some weeks, and come back then.   And read some other books on the matter in order to broaden your view first.    Benedikt
From: dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com (Don M. Gibson) Subject: Re: Long term Human Missions Nntp-Posting-Host: lexus Reply-To: dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector Lines: 21  In article 290493130832@128.249.27.63, jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy) writes: >ward@pashosh.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il (Ward Paul) wrote: >> >1.	Calculators >> >2.	Teflon (So your eggs don't stick in the pan) >> >3.	Pacemakers (Kept my grandfather alive from 1976 until 1988) >>  >I think we *should* tell them about the things that they are using now that >are spinoffs of the space program.  That is the only way you can *prove* >its worth to *them* - and they vote and pay taxes too.  The continued >existence of the space program relies upon that money. > >just my $.02 > >BTW: don't forget Velcro...  at least be honest.  velcro (tm) dates from the 40's.  i have doubts about everything listed above.  just because it was developed in the space age, doesn't mean it was a space spin-off.    BTW:  don't forget Tang...:) -DonG
From: kevin@axon.usa (Kevin Vanhorn) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: /usr/users/kevin/.organization Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: axon.cs.byu.edu In-reply-to: roby@chopin.udel.edu's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 05:53:07 GMT   In article <C5rpoJ.IJv@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: > > Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set  > by cult members.  Correction: The *FBI* *says* that two of the nine who escaped said the fire was deliberately set by cult members.  Since the press was kept miles away, we have absolutely no independent verification of any of the government's claims in this matter.  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin S. Van Horn       | Is your religion BATF-approved? vanhorn@bert.cs.byu.edu | 
From: mre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler) Subject: Re: Panther's President Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View, CA  USA Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: teal  In article <1993Apr20.180241.10263@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >The San Jose Sharks and Ottawa Senators are each on their second GM >already...I'd be willing to wager that both the Sharks and Senators >will probably see their 3rd GM's and perhaps their 4th, before we >see the Panthers second.  Actually, fired-coach George Kingston was a third of the GM triumvirate.  Now that the trio is now duo (Dean Lombardi and Chuck Grillo), the Sharks are already on their 3rd "office of the GM". And a 4th is likely to happen before September; they'll either add the new coach to the OofGM, or name a single GM. So your wager should be amended to read that Sharks are likely to have their 5th GM before the Panther's get their 2nd. Can't wait to see how the next season's NHL Guide and Record Book lists the GM history of the Sharks.  Given the depth of next year's draft, the expansion draft rules, and the reputation of their GMs, Anaheim and Miami look pretty good as the first 90s expansion teams to win a Cup.  San Jose and Ottawa have instability at the GM position, something that Philly, NYI, Edmonton, and Calgary did not have when they won their first Cups. Pittsburgh did, but they needed a quarter century. --  Mike Eisler, mre@Eng.Sun.Com  ``Not only are they [Leafs] the best team, but  their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than Pittsburgh's.  Their  players are mighty bright, too.  I mean, he really *was* going to get his  wallet back, right?'' Jan Brittenson 3/93, on Leaf/Pen woofers in  rec.sport.hockey
From: lazaro@pyuxf.cc.bellcore.com (lazaro,matthew) Subject: Re: VHS movie for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: pyuxf.cc.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ Lines: 12  In article <1qvk1u$jnu@bigboote.WPI.EDU> martimer@jaguar.WPI.EDU (the random one...) writes: >In article <1993Apr19.211400.1@hirama.hiram.edu> koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) writes: >>VHS movie for sale. >> >>Dance with Wovies	($12.00) >	    ^^^^^^ what the  hell ios a 'wovie' ?? (wovy (sp))?? >  It's one of those animals you dance with. But seriously, I saw this video for sale brand new at Palmer Video for $9 + tx.   I guess if I could resell them for $12 I would dance like a Wovie.    
From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) Subject: Re: If There Were No Hell Organization: Shell Oil Lines: 21  In article <May.9.05.38.07.1993.27316@athos.rutgers.edu> u0mrm@csc.liv.ac.uk (M.R. Mellodew) writes: >In article <May.5.02.51.25.1993.28737@athos.rutgers.edu>, shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) writes: > >>            Fear-based religion is not a faith-relationship with the >> One Who made us all. > >So does that mean that anyone who is a Christian to avoid Hell isn't really >a Christian at all? It sounds like it to me.  If that's the ONLY reason, I'd be inclined to doubt whether or not what they profess is Christianity.  The relationship of faith is based upon trust.  Fear and trust are generally incompatible.  If my only motivation is fear, is there room for trust?  If so, there's room for faith.   If fear precludes trust, then there can't be faith.  Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) --  ------- Lawrence Overacker Shell Oil Company, Information Center    Houston, TX            (713) 245-2965 llo@shell.com
From: ulan@ee.ualberta.ca (Dale Ulan) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Nntp-Posting-Host: eigen.ee.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada Lines: 21  alee@ecs.umass.edu writes:   >Greetings! >       >        Situation:  I have a phone jack mounted on a wall.  I don't >                    know the number of the line.  And I don't want >                    to call up the operator to place a trace on it.  >        Question:   Is there a certain device out there that I can >                    use to find out the number to the line? >        Thanks for any response. >                                                    Al  There usually is a way, however, often, telephone companies like to keep all of their internal numbers private. Depends on your exchange. Any modern electronic switching equipment usually have voice synth lines that echo the number you called from. The line service guys use this to make sure they connect up the right pairs of lines.  
From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Reply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 58  In a previous article, dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) says:  >     Do the words "Question Authority" mean anything to you? > >     I defy any theist to reply.        Well, despite what my mother told me about accepting dares, here goes.   You have to be very careful about what you mean by "question authority". Taken literally, it is nonsense. That which is authoratative is authoratative, and to say "I question to word of this authority" is ridiculous. If it is  open to question, it isn't an authority. On the other hand, it is perfectly reasonable to question whether something is an authority. The catch phrase here should be "authenticate authority." Once you have authenticated your authority, you must believe what it says, or you are not treating it as an authority.   The difficulty is that authenticating an authority is not easy. You  can perhaps discredit a claim to authority by showing logical inconsistency in what it teaches, or by showing that it does not obey its own rules of discourse. But the fact that I cannot discredit something does not, in inself, accredit it. (Nor does the fact that I can convince myself and  other that I have discredited something necessarilly mean that it is false.) I cannot accredit an authority by independantly verifying its teachings,  because if I can independantly verify its teachings, I don't need an  authority. I need an authority only when there is information I need which I cannot get for myself. Thus, if I am to authenticate an authority, I must do it by some means other than by examining its teachings.   In practical matters we accept all kinds of authorities because we don't have time to rediscover fundamental knowledge for ourselves. Every scientist woring today assumes, on the authority of the scintific community, all sorts of knowledge which is necessary to his work but which he has not time to  verify for himself.  In spiritual matters, we accept authority because we have no direct source  ofinformation. We select our authorities based on various criteria. (I am a Catholic, in part, because the historical claims of the RC church seem the strongest.) Without authorities there would be no subject matter for belief, unless we simply made something up for ourselves (as many do).  The atheist position seems to be that there are no authorities. This is a reasonable assertion in itself, but it leads to a practical difficulty. If you reject all authority out of hand, you reject all possibility of every receiving information. Thus the atheist position can never possibly change. It is non-falsifiable and therefore unscintific.   To demand scintific or rational proof of God's existence, is to deny God's existence, since neither science, nor reason, can, in their very nature, prove anything.    --  ============================================================================== Mark Baker                  | "The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but  aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca   | to irrigate deserts." -- C. S. Lewis ==============================================================================
From: pauls@trsvax.tandy.com Subject: Re: Need source for old Radio Shack ste Nf-ID: #R:acs.ucalgary.ca:27323:trsvax:288200083:000:125 Nf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!pauls    Apr 21 09:36:00 1993 Lines: 5    It's made by Rohm. (as is all BAxxx parts). Call 714-855-2131 and ask if  you can get a sample (it's only like a $2 part).  
From: szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Shane M Zatezalo) Subject: Wanted: Ph# for seagate Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu   I have a Seagate hard drive that I need some info specific information on. Anyone have the ph# for Seagate Technology, Inc?  (Or if they have a bbs setup that has all the drive info on it, like Maxtor does, I'll take that!)  Thanks!   --  :::Apple II forever!!:::GO BUCKS!:::Play Lacrosse!!:::Raging Bullwinkle!::: : Shane M . Zatezalo - CIS OSU: i-net> szatezal@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu : :   root@tap.colum.fnet.org   : NeXTMail>  shane@kiwi.swhs.ohio-state.edu : :GS::: call T.A.P. a Futurenet BBS 614-297-7031 16.8k DS HST 425 MEGS ::GS:
From: thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... Keywords: printer Organization: University of Notre Dame Lines: 64  In article <1993Apr18.041741.6051@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) writes: >From: kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) >Subject: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... >Keywords: printer >Date: 18 Apr 93 04:17:41 GMT   >Hello fellow 'netters.  >I am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer I >should purchase, the Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) vs. the HP DeskJet 500.  I >thought, rather than trust the salesperson, I would benefit more from >relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest >potential.  And, I figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls >better than any salesperson.  >Now, I would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 >dpi of the Canon BubbleJet vs. the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500 (300 dpi). >Which is faster?  Is there a noticeable print quality difference, >particularly in graphics?  Which will handle large documents better (75 >pages or more) -- any personal experience on either will be appreciated >here?  Which works better under Windows 3.1 (any driver problems, etc)? >Cost of memory, font packages, toner cartridges, etc?  Basically, your >personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable, >both good and bad.  >Advance kudos and thanks for all your input.  E-mail or news posting is >readily acceptable, but e-mail is encouraged (limits bandwidth).  >-- >Sincerely,  >Robert Kayman   ----    kayman@cs.stanford.edu  -or-  cpa@cs.stanford.edu  >"In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they are not." >"You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision > revised?!?!"   All right.  Not saying I know any more than the average salesguy, I'll give  your question a shot.   The key issue that I bought my BJ-200 on was ink drying speed.  You really  have to try awful hard to get the BJ-200 ink to smear.  The HP DeskJets need  10-15 seconds to completely dry.  In both cases, however, do not get your  pages wet.  Unlike laser printers, the material on your pages is INK, not  toner.  But that should go without saying.  My PC has very little memory (only 2Meg RAM), so the BJ-200 takes a little  while to print ----- but every application I use takes a while to run.  Once  the computer is solely printing, it purs like a kitten and puts pages out  every 15-30 seconds, depending on how detailed your graphics are.    The BJ-200 can do Windows soft fonts.  I'm assuming that the DeskJet can, or  HP wouldn't sell many......  Size is another factor.  The BJ-200 is much smaller, but the HP is built  like a tank.  I bet the BJ-200 would get damaged first.  Finally, the print quality.  I LOVE the BJ-200's resolution.  It looks like  a good laser quality print.  The HP's I've used.....they look like ink.  Not  as impressive.    So, I chose the Canon.  Any other opinions?
From: jdm@jumbo.Read.TASC.COM (James D. McNamara) Subject: Re: 2 MONITORS FOR WINDOWS Article-I.D.: jumbo.1t0ae9INN4j1 Organization: TASC Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: jumbo.read.tasc.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]  Alwin Hoogerdijk (alwin@zen.et.tudelft.nl) wrote: : julio.botelho@hlbbs.uucp (Julio Botelho) writes: : >IS3does anyone know whether or not it is possible to have 2 monitors working : >IS3with Microsoft Windows 3.1? I have a Taxan Multi Vision 550 and a NEC  : This may work when using a VGA and a Hercules card in one system, but : using two VGA-cards in one system will never work.   I believe that two 8514 (8514/A?) may be used in tandem on one system. This is the one exception to the VGA+Mono dual monitor combo that I have heard about.  Has anybody done this?  --Jim Mc. ------  James D. McNamara, Member of Technical Staff, TASC  ------- 55 Walkers Brook Drive | Reading, MA 01867-3238 | 617-942-2000x2948
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: The LAW of RETRIBUTION Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 13 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com  In article <lteid7INN88q@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>, fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) writes:  [re McElwaine]  > Is there NOWHERE on the net that this guy WILL NOT POST?  I just heard this week that he has started on COMPUSERVE flying models forum now.  Sigh. --   cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet... 
From: tsmith@cerritos.edu Subject: Wanted: Searching for music videos Distribution: world Organization: Cerritos College, Norwalk CA Lines: 26  I am currently searching for old video tapes of music groups of the early 80's to the late 80's.  At first I requested VHS formats, but now i'm accepting either VHS, 8MM, OR BETA.  The type of format i'm interested in are the type that most nite clubs or trendy clothing stores play.  If you do have any of these tapes just send me a reply with a few groups listed, i'll reply back if the groups listed are the type i'm searching for.  I'll gladly pay you what they are worth or trade for other movie or music videos, thanks.  Tom. ________________________________________________________________________________       \          /|\               /               \                                   \        /   \              \                \                                  \      /  |  \            _______________________________                       \    /       \           | You are now leaving the     |                       \  /    |    \          | state of southern CALIFORNIA|                         \/           \         | Please buckle up.  Thank    |                         /\     |      \       /| you for visiting.           |                       /  \            \     / | <<<<THE EARTHQUAKE STATE>>>>|                     /    \   |        \    \ | iNeT:TSMITH@CERRITOS.EDU    |                   /     /             \    \| ___________________________ |                  /     /    |          \    ||                      \    ||                     /     /                 \   ||\                     /    ||                    /      \     |            \ \||/                    /    \||/                  /        \                  \  /                     \                         /          \   |              \/                       \                       /            \                 /\                        \               
From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr) Subject: 1990 Mazda 626 high miles/low price Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Lines: 32  1990 Mazda 626 DX       $6000 or best offer NADA blue book: $9075 - $2175 for mileage = $6900 e-mail or call Ron at (908)805-2248 (work) or (908)454-9337 (home)  * 92,000 miles, all highway (I used to commute 160 miles/day) * 5 speed * Air Conditioning * AM/FM/Cassette stereo * split fold-down rear seat * 2.2 liter, 12 valve, fuel injected engine  * roomy interior, comfy back seats, big trunk * well maintained - oil and filter every 3,000 - 4,000, other maintanence 	as scheduled.  Except for the timing belt which still looks new. 	I did slip and went 5,000 miles without changing the oil once. * tires have 20,000 miles, lots of life left (probably 30,000 to 40,000) * front brake job at 84,000, back brakes are still good * engine/trans/drive train in perfect condition - everything works, 	nothing needs replacing, next tune up scheduled at 120,000 * body is good - left tail light is cracked (I'm trying to find a used 	one - dealer wants $172!), two long scratches and a ding on the 	hood (vandalism?), a bunch of stone chips on the front of the 	hood.  Official Mazda touch up paint included in the deal.  This car is extremely reliable, even better than the Toyota Corolla it replaced.  Besides the tires, brakes and maintanence items, the only other parts that have been replaced are the headlight bulbs.  Selling because my wife refuses to drive a car without an automatic trans. And she wants a station wagon with a sun roof, etc, etc. --  Ron DeBlock  rdb1@homxb.att.com  (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l) AT&T Bell Labs   Somerset, NJ  USA
From: mike@drd.com (Mike.Rovak) Subject: Re: workaround for Citizen drivers Keywords: printer driver Citizen PN48 GSX-140 Organization: DRD Corporation Lines: 43  In article <1993Apr26.185033.12279@drd.com> mike@drd.com (Mike.Rovak) writes: >I have been experiencing several end-user problems with various commercial >software packages (WordPerfect 5.2/WIN, Publish It!/WIN 3.1) and printing >landscape mode on a Citizen PN48 (the little guy) or the Citizen GSX-140+. > >In a nutshell the problem is that I lose the first 0.625 inches of >information from my left margin, be it white space or TrueType font >output, and margins are not preserved on subsequent pages past the >first. > >WordPerfect had a workaround consisting of using the "Default" location >for the printers instead of "Tractor" or "Manual".  They have also filed >this as a bug and are continuing to investigate it. > >MS Write, of course, has no problem with these printer drivers, proving that >Microsoft knows something the rest of us don't!  Are you surprised?  I'm >not. > >Publish It!/WIN is still investigating this problem, and while I was consider- >my options (rejecting the one about buying an $800 DTP package, for *surely* >they wouldn't have this problem, right?) I stumbled onto a global workaround. > >WORKAROUND >---------- >Go into the Windows 3.1 control panel, select printers, select your Citizen >printer driver, select SETUP, and select a custom size of 850 x 1132.  Like >magic, all of your problems will go away. > >Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies! > >-- Mike   Excuse me, that's 850 x 1163.  -- Mike  ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. ======================================================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------      mike.rovak@drd.com      ========================================================================
From: jeh@cmkrnl.com Subject: Re: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports Organization: Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego, CA Lines: 10  In article <C5sLMB.9w6@cup.hp.com>, dclaar@cup.hp.com (Doug Claar) writes: > While driving through the middle of nowhere, I picked up KNBR, AM 1070, > a clear-channel station based in Los Angeles.   KNX AM, 1070 in LA, will be unhappy to hear about this, I'm sure. :-)   (isn't KNBR in the bay area?)  	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems, San Diego CA Internet:  jeh@cmkrnl.com  Uucp: uunet!cmkrnl!jeh  CIS: 74140,2055
From: kaufmanj@ucs.orst.edu (John Kaufman) Subject: WANTED-OLD 70's RECORD Article-I.D.: gaia.1rgsqp$21d Distribution: usa Organization: University Computing Services - OSU Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ucs.orst.edu    I'm looking for an old album or cassette tape. The group is Sanford/Townsend the name of the album is 'Smoke from a Distant Fire' (I think). This album came out somewhere around  1975-76, and I believe was the first album produced by Kenny Loggins after he and Jim Messina broke up.  If you happen to have this album and are willing to part with it, great. If you don't want to part with it, but are willing to copy it onto cassette I'd love that too.  Thanks  JK  kaufmanj@ucs.orst.edu
From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 13  In article <1r6aqr$dnv@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: #The better question  should be. #Why not transfer  O&M of all birds to a separate agency with continous funding #to support these kind of ongoing science missions.  Since we don't have the money to keep them going now, how will changing them to a seperate agency help anything?  -- -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia  USPS Mail:     Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA  Internet:      gsh7w@virginia.edu    UUCP:		...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w
From: bobc@sed.stel.com (Bob Combs) Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters.  WHere  are they. Organization: SED, Stanford Telecom, Reston, VA 22090 Lines: 28  Picture our universe floating like a log in a river.  As the log floats down the river, it occasionally strikes rocks, the bank, the bottom, other logs.  When this collission occurs, kinetic energy is translated into heat, the log degrades, gets scraped up, and other energy  translaions occur.  The distribution of damage to the log depends on the shape of the log.  However, to a very small virus in a mite on the head of a termite in the center of the log, the shock waves from the collissions would appear uniformly random in direction.  This is my theory for GRB.  They are evidence of our universe interacting with other universes!  Why not!  Makes just as much sense as the GRB coming from the Oort cloud!  The log theory of universes can't be ruled out!  Of course, I'm a layman in the physics world.  You  physicists out there, Tell me about this !!!!   Bob Combs Astronautical Engineer,   Stanford Telecom .  
From: koberg@spot.Colorado.EDU (Allen Koberg) Subject: Re: _Christianity In Crisis_ by Hank Hanegraaff Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 11  In article <May.12.04.27.23.1993.9926@athos.rutgers.edu> af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) writes: >Has anyone read this important book?  If so, what are your feelings about it? >  I have not yet read the book, though I intend to.  Judging from the promos I hear constantly on the radio, it sounds good.  In John MacArthur's "Charismatic Chaos" series and the book, he talks about much of the same things.  The "Health,Wealth,And Prosperity" thing is a very real part (and very prominent) of TV religion.  Every time I turn to TBN, there's Paul Crouch (showing off his new building) talking about it's a sin to be poor and unhealthy.  Gr..
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: Jay Lorenzana <U40348@uicvm.uic.edu> Subject: Eagle Talon TSi--LEMON? Lines: 22   Dear Netters:  I am looking to buy a used Eagle Talon '91 or '91 TSi AWD. Question is that the '91 TSi AWD was mentioned in the April Consumer Reports to a car to avoid!  In particular, the manual transmission, electrical system, and brakes were below par (in both models).  A friend of mine ownes a '90 TSi AWD and he has had 2 brake jobs (pads), one stuck valve, and some clutch/transmission problem, something about sticking/grinding into second gear.  This doesn't seem too bad if one "beats" on his car.  I am willing to suffer reliability--for speed and looks.  Seems you have to pay big buck if you want all three.  Anyway can anyone please let me know how you like your Talon, and any problems you may have had, and if the repairs are worth it.  Thanks for any responses!  -Jay
From: zakir@leland.Stanford.EDU (Zakir Sahul) Subject: Inflation in car prices Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 5   Anyone have figures or pointers to references about  how fast/much car prices have gone up in the last decade?  Thanks.
From: herrod@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Herrod) Subject: MEWIN Latex Help Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 9  I posted this to the apps group and didn't get any response, so I'll try here. I am trying to use the latex help feature available in emacs for windows and read that you need a separate latexhlp.zip file along with a vms2hlp.zip file to convert this to windows help. Has anyone found these files or gotten this command help to work?  Thanks, Steve Herrod 
From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism) Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 20  In article <1993Apr19.231641.21652@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:   (Deletion) >"(God is) the One Who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. >Each is travelling in an orbit with its own motion." (Qur'an :33) > >The positive aspect of this verse noted by Dr. Maurice Bucaille is that >while geocentrism was the commonly accepted notion at the time (and for >a long time afterwards), there is no notion of geocentrism in this verse >(or anywhere in the Qur'an). >   Well, that is certainly different, but it looks as if there is a translation found for everything. By the way, I am most surprised to hear that night and day move in an orbit.   And that the sun travels in an orbit without saying that earth does, too, sounds geocentric to me.    Benedikt
From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Yeah, Right Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 54  In article <66014@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:   >>And what about that revelation thing, Charley? > >If you're talking about this intellectual engagement of revelation, well, >it's obviously a risk one takes. >   I see, it is not rational, but it is intellectual. Does madness qualify as intellectual engagement, too?     >>Many people say that the concept of metaphysical and religious knowledge >>is contradictive. > >I'm not an objectivist, so I'm not particularly impressed with problems of >conceptualization.  The problem in this case is at least as bad as that of >trying to explain quantum mechanics and relativity in the terms of ordinary >experience.  One can get some rough understanding, but the language is, from >the perspective of ordinary phenomena, inconsistent, and from the >perspective of what's being described, rather inexact (to be charitable). >   Exactly why science uses mathematics. QM representation in natural language is not supposed to replace the elaborate representation in mathematical terminology. Nor is it supposed to be the truth, as opposed to the representation of gods or religions in ordinary language. Admittedly, not  every religion says so, but a fancy side effect of their inept representations are the eternal hassles between religions.   And QM allows for making experiments that will lead to results that will be agreed upon as being similar. Show me something similar in religion.     >An analogous situation (supposedly) obtains in metaphysics; the problem is >that the "better" descriptive language is not available. >   With the effect that the models presented are useless. And one can argue that the other way around, namely that the only reason metaphysics still flourish is because it makes no statements that can be verified or falsified - showing that it is bogus.     >>And in case it holds reliable information, can you show how you establish >>that? > >This word "reliable" is essentially meaningless in the context-- unless you >can show how reliability can be determined.   Haven't you read the many posts about what reliability is and how it can be acheived respectively determined?    Benedikt
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From: hayesj@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (HAYES JAMES MICHAEL JR) Subject: Windows Disk Drive Test availabel? Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 28     Is their a pd/freeware hard drive utility that can handle a compressed IDE drive without screwwing it up?  Need to document occasional failures in reading/writing, check overall integrity of disk's hardware and sectors.  I believe that all of my problems with DOS/Windows can be isolated to my drive.  Getting occasional corrupted files, even with smartdrive, 32 bit access turned off. Had these problems under DOS 5.  Only with drive C. Drive D may have had one failure, but that file was under the control of Win/Winword on drive C.  All utilities available to me report no problems. DOS, NDD (NU4.5).  Another symptom, SD took forever on C, and kicked me out with a suspension till NDD run 6 to 8 times.  Thanks.  --    Mike Hayes             |"Knowledge is good."  - Faber College Motto   WWW                    |"Knowledge and Thoroughness" -Rensselear Poly Motto   Unemployed Tech,       |"No, thank YOU!"  -Groucho Marx, 'A Day at the Races'   Driven to banging my head against engineering physics for 4 years.
From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) Subject: LIST OF TEE TIMES AT METROPOLITAN TORONTO GOLF COURSES FOR MONDAY Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Lines: 6  ;^)  Kevin L. Stamber Purdue University ...and Phil Kirzyc (The Kielbasa Kid) will roam the Arena for interviews. 
From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com Organization: Bell Communications Research Lines: 31  In article <1qi2h1INNr3o@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu>, mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison) writes: |>  |> Two different Tuesdays (two weeks apart we used the same day of the |> week just for consistancies sake) we ordered food from the local  |> Chinese take out - same exact food except ONE of the days we had them |> hold the MSG.  I did not know which time the food was ordered without |> the MSG but one time I had the reaction and one time I did not.   |>  |> NOW - you can TRY to tell me that it wasn't "scientific" enough and |> that I have not PROVEN beyond the shadow of a doubt that I have a |> reaction to MSG - but it was proof enough for ME and I'll have you |> know that I do NOT wish to get sick from eating food thank you very |> much.   |>  If you could not tell which one had MSG, why restaurants bother to use it at all?   If you can taste the difference, psychological reaction might play a role.  The fact is, MSG is part of natural substance. Everyone, I mean EVERYONE, consumes certain amount of MSG every day through regular diet without the synthesized MSG additive.  Chinese, and many other Asians (Japanese, Koreans, etc) have used MSG as flavor enhancer for two thousand years. Do you believe that they knew how to make MSG from chemical processes? Not. They just extracted it from natural food such sea food and meat broth.  Baring MSG is just like baring sugar which many people react to.  Jason Chen
From: ralph.buttigieg@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Ralph Buttigieg) Subject: Commercial point of view Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au Lines: 29  Original to: szabo@techbook.com G'day szabo@techbook.com  29 Mar 93 07:28, szabo@techbook.com wrote to All:   sc> szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo), via Kralizec 3:713/602   sc> Here are some longer-term markets to consider:  Here are some more:  * Terrestrial illumination from orbiting mirrors.  * World enviroment and disaster monitering system. (the Japanese have already developed a plan for this, called WEDOS) Although this may be more of a "public good".  * Space tourism.  * Energy relay satellites  ta  Ralph  --- GoldED 2.41  * Origin: VULCAN'S WORLD - Sydney Australia (02) 635-6797  3:713/6 (3:713/635) 
From: rebop@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Ulius) Subject: Newtek Video Toaster Link For Sale Keywords: Newtek Video Toaster Amiga Mac Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us     I have a bout a dozen Newtek Video Toaster Links available. These connect Macs and the Video Toaster.  List is $595,  street price likely to be $495. I can sell them off for $425 including shipping anywhere.. Factory shrinkwrapped. Plus tax if in California. E-mail rebop or call 916 924-9911 M-F 8-5 if you would like further info.  All Toaster and Toaster accessories and system components are available as well.  --             ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~            - Bob Ulius |  rebop@well.sf.ca.us   |  (916) 338-4766  -            ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~
From: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com (Thatch Harvey) Subject: Re: Removing Rain-X coat on the front windshield, any tips? Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA Lines: 21       If you want a summer without rain, you're in the wrong place. You must not have been here a whole year yet. Keep the Rain-X handy my friend.                Thatch      %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%     % Thatch Harvey                                                    %     % uucp: (no longer valid)            domain: thatchh@hplsla.hp.com %     % Hewlett-Packard              Lake Stevens Instrument Division    %     % Lake Stevens, WA                                                 %     % (206) 335-2083                Merkur XR4Ti, Suzuki GSX1100G,     %     %                               Prince SR3 D Sports Racer          %     %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%     
From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) Subject: Re: Krillean Photography Organization: Unocal Corporation Lines: 20  Living things maintain small electric fields to (1) enhance certain chemical reactions, (2) promote communication of states with in a cell, (3) communicate between cells (of which the nervous system is a specialized example), and perhaps other uses.  These electric fields change with location and time in a large organism.  Special photographic techniques such as applying external fields in Kirillian photography interact with these fields or the resistances caused by these fields to make interesting pictures. Perhaps such pictures will be diagonistic of disease problems in organisms when better understood. Perhaps not.  Studying the overall electric activity of biological systems is several hundred years old, but not a popular activity.  Perhaps, except in the case of a few tissues like nerves and the electric senses of fishes, it is hard to reduce the investigation into small pieces that can be clearly analyzed.  There are some hints that manipulating electric fields is a useful therapy such as speeding the healing of broken bones, but not understood why.  Bioelectricity has a long association with mysticism. Ideas such as Frankenstein reanimation go back to the most early electrical experiments on tissue such as when Volta invented the battery.  I personally don't care to revert to supernatural cause to explain things we don't yet understand.
From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. Lines: 89 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com  In article <C5spov.LrE@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)   writes: > In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De   Arras) writes: > >In article <C5s0Ds.J54@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)   > >writes: > >> I agree that they deserved a trial.  They had more than 40 days to come  > >> out and get their trial.  They chose to keep the children with them and  > >> to stay inside.  They chose to stay inside even after they were tear   gassed. > >> I do not find these actions rational.  Even Noriega was smart enough to  > >> give up and go for the trial he deserved. > >>  > > > >Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard.   >  > Unworthy of comment.  But apparently true.  My opinion, only, of course.  >  > >Humans died   > >yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the  > >actions   > >they did.  That is the undeniable truth.  I cried for them.   >  > Nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty. > That is undeniable truth.    No, it is not.  It is possible the FBI planned for this to happen, and the   gunfire heard was the FBI keeping the folks inside.  I'm not proposing this as   the way it went down, but just to point out that it's not "undeniable" that if   they walked out yesterday, they would be alive today.  > My heart bleeds just as much as yours for  > the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities  > to do so.  My heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious devotion  > to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up  > and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning. >   My heart "bleeds" for no one.  You are the "bleeding heart".  And I'm sure   beyond any possible doubt that you do not feel for those people as I do.  You   can not say the heartless things you have said if you did.  > >You seem to say   > >they got what they deserved. >  > I do not think this.  However, if they did set the fire (which started in  > more than one place and spread very quickly), then they got what they  > wanted and put into motion themselves.  "they got what they wanted".  What kind of creature are you that you can   believe this? >  > I see the BATF is going to be investigated by the Justice Dept. and likely  > by Arlen Spectre and congress.  This is good.  They have bungled the affair  > from the start. >   We agree on this.  Now lets have your God, the FBI, investigated, too.  > >Jim > >-- > >jmd@handheld.com >   >------------------------------------------------------------------------------  - > >"I'm always rethinking that.  There's never been a day when I haven't   rethought   > >that.  But I can't do that by myself."  Bill Clinton  6 April 93 > >"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was   landed   > >in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!" > >WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 >  >  > --  >   Jim -- jmd@handheld.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm always rethinking that.  There's never been a day when I haven't rethought   that.  But I can't do that by myself."  Bill Clinton  6 April 93 "If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed   in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!" WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
From: s5uapw@odysseus (Aaron Walker) Subject: A little question of  "blame" (was Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Nntp-Posting-Host: odysseus Organization: Fannie Mae Lines: 36  In article <1993Apr21.053035.29591@mcs.kent.edu>,   mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes:   > However it was the Branch > Davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their   "savior"  > (yeah right budy boy) because he had brain-washed them into believing   that  > what ever he says is the truth, even if means that they are to give up   their > lives for <<<<HIS>>>> cause.    Tolerent, aren't we?  Their's was hardly the first faith/sect/cult  to espouse this type of belief.  > Therefore it is Davids fault and not the ATF's > who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out, this was 50 days to many for me   and > for many of the rest of the U.S.   I keep hearing this, and while I'll agree that he "should" have come out (legally, that was his best option), he didn't; and as far as I know, there is no legal provision for "we're tired of this shit, lets just kick some ass..."  So I have a question for you; here goes.  I come up to you and point a gun at you, saying "I'm going to count to ten, if you aren't standing on your head by then, I'll kill you." You believe that standing on your head is the road to damnation, so you don't do it. "1..2..3..4..5..6..7..8..9..10...BANG!"  You are now dead - Is it my fault for shooting you, or you're fault for being shot? Koresh wouldn't stand on his head.    -Aaron
From: ST702459@brownvm.brown.edu () Subject: Mac Modem Wanted Organization: Brown University Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu X-News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta  I would like to buy a cheap modem for my Mac. Did I mention that I would prefer it to be cheap?  2400 baud preferred, but when you're looking for cheap (and I do mean cheap) beggars can't be choosers.  E-mail me.  Oh, I'm in Seattle, so if you were also, that would be a bonus.
From: cah@tactix.rain.com (Chris Huey) Subject: Re: Workspace Managers for Win 3.1 - a small review Organization: Tactix ReEngineering, Inc. Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]  Jamie Scuglia (jamie@zikzak.apana.org.au) wrote: : Thanks to all those people who recommended Workspace managers for : Windows 3.1.  I found 3 shareware Workspace Managers, from Australia's : MS-WINDOWS archive (monu6.cc.monash.edu.au), which mirrors some : sites in the U.S.  The three I found were: :  : 1. WORKSPACES 1.10 (wspace.zip) [ review deleted ] : 2. WORKSHIFT 1.6 (wrksft16.zip) [ review deleted ] : 3. BIGDESK 2.30 and BACKMENU (backdesk.zip) [ review deleted ]  I really appreciate this information.  However, given that I don't have direct Internet access - which means I don't have Archie access - I must resort to using FTPMAIL.  This means that I need the site name and the  directory where these workspace managers are located.  So, can you (or anyone else) post or Email me the needed information?  Thanks very much!!!  Chris --   Chris Huey                                           Tactix ReEngineering, Inc. cah@tactix.rain.com                                       Voice: (503) 684-4099            "CodeCrafters: Custom crafted software in about an hour"
From: jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) Subject: Re: wife wants convertible Organization: Private site in San Marcos, California Lines: 35  aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:  >  > In a previous article, dspalme@mke.ab.com (Diane Palme x2617) says: >  > >: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes: > >: > HELP!!! > >: > my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car. > >jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) writes: > >: FYI, just last week the PBS show Motor Week gave the results of what they  > >: thought were the best cars for '93.  In the convertible category, the  >                                                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >: Honda Civic del Sol achieved this honor.   > >I own a del Sol and I must vouch for the interior.  I really looks snazzy wh > >the top is off.  I looks a lot better in person than on the television.  (I  > >that Motorweek as well.  Needless to say I was smiling a bit by the time it > >was over ...)  :*) > > > >Watch out for that darned "convertible tan" tho... >  >  > i simply must inquire, how can people honestly consider this car > a "convertible"?  Does Porsche have a patent on the "targa" name? > I mean, convertible to me means "top down", which the del Sol certainly > does NOT do.  It has the center that lifts out.  This is what i would > term a targa(unless Porsches was gonna sue me for doing that).  I know > the rear window rolls down, but i still can hardly consider this car > to be a convertible. >   Yes, however, with the top off and the rear window down this car is more  like a convertible than a coupe.  Think of it as a convertible with an  integrated roll-bar like addition.  jp
From: "George Guillory" <wk04942@worldlink.com> Subject: Tx. Senator Bob Krueger RTKBA statement Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 Organization: Performance Systems Int'l X-Mailer: WORLDLink-DOS (3.3) Lines: 10  For those of you interested, I just finished talking with a  representative of Senator Bob Krueger's reelection campaign about his  position on the RTKBA.  Krueger was appointed by the  Democratic Governor  of Texas to complete Lloyd Bentsen's unexpired term.  The representative said that Senator Krueger did not have a position and  would only comment on specific legislation that was pending.  No comment  was available on the various versions of the Brady Bill.  Be warned and vote accordingly.
From: pochanay@cae.wisc.edu (Adisak Pochanayon) Subject: Printer for Sale Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison Lines: 41        For Sale:  24 Pin Printer - ALPS Allegra 24       Asking Price:  $150 shipped prepaid                              (C.O.D. orders pay C.O.D. shipping).       Features:              Straight paper path (won't jam).             Paper saving tear-off capability (no need to waste a sheet to                get a current printout).             Programmable preferences (you don't even need a computer)             Letter Quality 360dpi output             Epson LQ2500 emulation built-in             Card slot for additional memory / font upgrades             Printer ribbons easily found (there are three or four sources                for ALPs ribbons in every Computer Shopper).             Fast 180 CPS output             This printer has not even been used in the last two years (three                years old) because I have a laser printer at work and use that                instead.             Originally $399.              I'll even throw in two ribbons (may need simple reinkings tho).  	Adisak Pochanayon 	2525 University Avenue 	Apartment J 	Madison, WI 53705 	(608) 238-2463  ---------------------------------- CUT HERE ----------------------------------       Jeez!!! It never fails, get in the tub and there's a rub at the lamp! -- The Genie from Aladdin.               pochanay@cae.wisc.edu   eddie (Adisak) Pochanayon  Check out all of SilverFox SoftWare's Releases.... your Amiga entertainment.  ---------------------------------- CUT HERE ---------------------------------- 
From: tin@phan.Eng.Sun.COM (Tin Phan) Subject: Re: Cellular Phone (Portable) for sale Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA Lines: 16 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: phan Summary: Takes longer than 24 hours  In article <79599@cup.portal.com>, mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: > I offer $100, shipment at seller's expense, payment as personal check > sent by U.S. mail within 24 hours after receiving goods.  I reserve the > right to return the goods, at my expense, if I find them to be defective > or otherwise unacceptable when I receive them (either the merchandise or > the check would be mailed within 24 hours). >  > Mark Thorson  I hope you realize that for a cellular phone, you need to subscribe to a Cellular carrier, and it usually takes at least one working day before the service is available to you. Only then you can find out whether  the phone is working.  Tin 
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Who is Henry Spencer anyway? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 16  In article <1993May15.014554.2850@aie.nl> hansk@aie.nl (Hans Kinwel) writes: >My god!  You dare posting!  I posed these very questions to Mr Spencer  >some time ago by email.  Unfortunately I never received any response.  Apologies...  Your mail is probably in the pile that arrived just before I got sick about a month ago...  A reply will appear eventually...  >Now, what I really would like to see is an interview with Mr Spencer. A >magazine (photograph!), or even better a tv program. (No! I want both!)  So far, there have been none (unless you count an interview in The Amateur Computerist about the history of netnews, which may be disqualified because TAC's budget doesn't run to reproducing photos...). --  SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision   | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology between SVR3 and SunOS.    - Dick Dunn  |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu (Dov Bai-MSI Visitor) Subject: Re: Earwax Organization: Mathematical Sciences Institute (MSI)-Cornell University Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu  In article <lu2defINNac7@news.bbn.com> levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes: >bobm@Ingres.COM (Bob McQueer) writes: >|One question I do have - a doctor who flushed out my ears once also advocated >|a drop of rubbing alcohol in them afterwards to flush out any remaining >|trapped water - said he told swimmers to do this after swimming, too.  It >|works, but it stings like the devil, so I've always been content to let any >|water in my ears from swimming or flushing them out figure out how to get >|out by itself if shaking my head a few times won't do the trick.  Any >|comments?  Perhaps diluting the rubbing alcohol in some water, until you feels comfortable will do the trick ?  
From: ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) Subject: Frequent nosebleeds Reply-To: ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 18   I have between 15 and 25 nosebleeds each week, as a result of a genetic predisposition to weak capillary walls (Osler-Weber-Rendu). Fortunately, each nosebleed is of short duration.  Does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency? My younger brothers each tried a skin transplant (thigh to nose lining), but their nosebleeds soon returned. I've seen a reference to an herb called Rutin that is supposed to help, and I'd like to hear of experiences with it, or other techniques. --  Robert Allison Ottawa, Ontario CANADA
Subject: ELECTRONIC DESIGN MAG. From: martin.vuille@synapse.org (Martin Vuille) Distribution: world Organization: Babillard Synapse Inc. - (819) 246-2344 Lines: 10  Newsgroup: sci.electronics From: martin.vuille@synapse.org Subject: Electronic Design  Does anyone know the telephone number for the circulation department of 'Electronic Design' magazine?  MV ---   OLX 2.1 TD  ProControl * Kemptville, ON * 04-22-93 9:35 pm
From: Mike Diack <mike-d@staff.tc.umn.edu> Subject: NuBus NTSC Genlock card f/sale X-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 02:54:45 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-97.gw.umn.edu Organization: persian cat & carpet co. X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7 Lines: 5  "Computer Friends" nubus card - good for doing graphics overlays on your videos etc. $275 with apple 8 bit vid card, $225 without. Wont sell vid card separately. UPS (U pay shipping). cheers Mike.
From: aaronc@athena.mit.edu (Aaron Bryce Cardenas) Subject: Re: Ethnicity in Worship Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 160  Jerryl Payne writes: >To sublimate a culture for the sake of what you perceive as unity seems >antithetical to the very message of inclusion that you preach.  I agree, with the exception that I don't preach ignoring our cultures.  > The body as a whole must be unified. The question is, shall we be a >melting pot, boiling ourselves down to one "legitimate" expression, or >shall we be more like a stew, maintaining the textural integrity of the >expressed diversity while upholding the unity of thought?   It released >all churches from the use of the Latin Mass (unity) to allow them to >speak to the people in the common language (diversity).   In Revelation 2-3, we see that in the first century church, there was one congregation in each major city.  So there was one unified church.  Now in each city, there were people of different cultures.  Naturally, they formed something of a stew, with different members having different heritages.  Nevertheless, they were ONE body.  They met together, sometimes as smaller groups in their homes and sometimes in bigger groups in places such as the temple courts.  Now in a particular city, then and now, you will find that there is a common language associated with that region.  For instance, in Rome, Latin was spoken.  In the United States today, English is spoken.  So it would make sense that congregations in different cities would speak the common language and not necessarily Latin.  Naturally, you would expect the lead evangelist to preach in the common language.  In the first century church, there were probably many people in the congregation who could speak a given tongue to translate the message for people of foreign ethnic groups.  Today, however, you don't see people speaking in tongues to translate sermons, even in so-called Pentacostal churches.  We do have a modern day equivalent though -- bi-lingual speakers.  Now in the unified church of which I am a member - sometimes called the International Churches of Christ, when we all meet together on Sundays, there are headphones on people who don't speak English from which they hear an ongoing translation of the sermon in their native tongue.  Neat idea, huh?  Now, we meet in different size groups in a random sort of way on Sundays, so sometimes there will be a meeting of only Haitians or of Spanish- speaking people, for example, who will hear an evangelist preach in their native language.  In addition, we meet in small groups a couple of times during the week for Bible discussion groups and Devotionals.  So someone who speaks a different language will almost always be with people who also speak his language (assuming the congregation is large enough) for those meetings.  As for the people who speak the common language, they can keep in touch with their culture, if they want, but they will also have equally deep friendships among their church relationships with people of many various nationalities.    >Has the purpose of the church been thwarted by this action?  The action of letting Catholics worship in a native language instead of Latin?  Indeed not!  See my second paragraph in response to the second clipping of your article.  However, if you mean the action of forming denominations based on a culture, then the purpose of the church has been indeed thwarted.  I'll assume the second possiblility when answering your next clipping.  >Rather I believe it has been enhanced, for Paul exhorts us to become as >one of them that we might reach them. Thus, if a person or group of >people feel more comfortable "among their own", shall we not give them a >place where they can feel comfortable [with their heritage] and still >l[ove God?] {[my guess - Aaron]}  You have met some needs of people, certainly, by helping them to be proud of their cultural heritages when most denominations didn't.  Yet you have largely isolated yourselves from having quality "Christian" friendships outside your nationality (and your denomination).  We shall certainly give people a place to feel comfortable with their heritage.  However, we will do this in a way that does not destroy church unity, but rather encourages friendships among all disciples.  >This is the approach of some of the groups that you cite.   It sounds like these groups have wonderful intentions, but they are going about things in the wrong way.  And names like the African Methodist Episcopal Church still make me cringe, although not as much as before.  I understand that there was more racism in the past that caused such groups to be formed, but now we should try to unite.  I know that it's hard for many people on this newsgroup to imagine there being only one body of people on earth, but it is quite possible, and I am working to make it happen.  However, what might be a smaller step towards unity, would be taking the word "African" out of your denomination's name.  Then perhaps someday a long time off, you can also remove the "Methodist Episcopal" part also, and simply be part of "the Church".  >With regard to inclusivity, I note tht your .sig emits from MIT. As you >know, the 'tute is religiously and culturally diversified, and not >everyone who comes there is immediately comfortable with English, much >less American culture. What shall be the conduct of the campus churches >then:  shall there be one church, for the sake of unity? Or shall the >organizations like KCF be useful in helping students new to America make >the transition in culture, language, and thought?  There shall be one church, for the sake of unity, AND it shall be useful in helping students new to America make the transition in culture, language, and thought.  We shouldn't make a new denomination to try to solve problems.  The whole denominational mindset only causes more problems, sadly.    >In the AME church, we retain African cutlure at the root of our >expression, but we are by no means exclusive. Since you live in >Cambridge, I invite you to visit the local assembly there:  Thank you for the invitation.  That shows me that you indeed have the heart to spread the gospel of Jesus as well as take part in your cultural heritage.  Thank you also for responding to my post.  I know (all too well) how they can be very time-consuming.  The whole idea of celebrating your culture is paved with good intentions, but I still feel that you must restore and preserve unity at the same time.  My own church, the Boston church, has the acapella singing that you mentioned in your post, yet doesn't limit expression of my Mexican culture, even though I am in the MIT Campus ministry and not the Spanish (speaking) Zone.  I have made a commitment to God that I will go to the Sunday services of my church, because I know that my brothers and sisters here are fully devoted in love for God as his disciples.  I don't believe in tongues, as you may have already picked up on, because of my understanding of Biblical Christianity.  However, I am certainly willing to visit your congregation provided that it doesn't interfere with my normal worship.  Since you also live in Cambridge, I also extend an invitation to you to visit our services as often as you like.  You can meet the MIT students at the Student Center (across from 77 Mass. Ave.) at 9AM on Sundays to leave for worship or simply call me after Wednesday night to find out where the service will be held on a particular day. My number is 225-7598, but will be 354-1357 in a few weeks from now and for the rest of the summer.  Our service normally last from 10AM to noon, but occasionally are later or earlier (1-3 times per year).    >Let us always strive to reach all with the gospel by any means necessary. >As we move from milk to meat, the petty things of the world that >temporally separate us will dissolve away, and we shall stand with our >naked realizations that God has shed His grace on all of us, His >delightful creation.  Definitely!  Let's also strive to grow in obedience to the Lord through being men and women after God's own heart.  +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ |  Aaron Bryce Cardenas           |  ___NET-net__(617)-225-7598___  | |  MIT Undergraduate Student      |   U.S. :   Aaron B. 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From: 71554.1341@CompuServe.COM (DARLA) Subject: DeltaPoints Animated Desktop Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu  Hiyas ALL,  Upon getting Animated Desktop for Windows as a gift from my boyfriend, I  couldn't wait to install it. I had gotten an advertisement for it and put  it aside  with my list of 'I Wants.' After installing the software, it didn't load.  No part of  the software would load even though the install went seemingly well.  	I called Deltapoint with the problem and after asking me twenty  million different questions about my system.. concluded that I had one of  the  systems that the software was 'incompatible with'. Of course they're  willing to  give me my $$$ back.. What a waste of time and energy.  The folks on their  support line, although nice, are extremely ignorant regarding the workings  of  Windows 3.1.  	After my experience with the installation of the SB 16, I  learned  some of the function of windows dll files. Before sending back Desktop  Animator,  decided to do some fooling around with the different versions of   .dll files I had. I had 2 versions of cpalette.dll one dated 8/92 and >  100K the  other dated 1/93 and smaller (the 1/93 smaller version was the one supplied   with Desktop Animator). I moved the bigger, older version of cpalette.dll   to a  directory outside my path. (For some reason, I had the older Cpalette.dll  in my  Windows directory and the newer cpallette in my windows\system directory.)  When I did this, the animator's editor loaded.. and so did 2 other of the  applications in the package.. the main application still didn't load. Does  anyone have any ideas as to why this would occur or any further suggestions   for trouble-shooting?                ____                   /    \__                    Darla   |\         /    @   \   \ \_______|    \  .:|>     Portal: darla@shell.portal.com    \      ##|    | \__/              darla@cup.portal.com              |    ####\__/   \           AOL: kuby2u@aol.com     /  /  ##       \|                darlaiam@aol.com    /  /__________\  \           WIX: darla   |GENIE: KUBY        L_JJ           \__JJ  
From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Lines: 38  In article <C5wC7G.4EG@toads.pgh.pa.us> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: >In article <1993Apr22.001642.9186@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > >>>>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back >>>>>the lost weight does not constitute "weight rebound" until it >>>>>exceeds the starting weight?  Or is this oral tradition that >>>>>is shared only among you obesity researchers? >>>> >>>>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987 >>>> >>>Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive >>>behavior associated with weight rebound? :-) >> >>I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to >>study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom. >> > >Good story, Chuck, but it won't wash.  I have read the NY Acad Sci >one (and have it).  This AM I couldn't find any reference to >"weight rebound".  I'm not saying it isn't there, but since you >cited it, it is your responsibility to show me where it is in there. >There is no index.  I suspect you overstepped your knowledge base, >as usual. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and >geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."  >----------------------------------------------------------------------------  It's on page 315, about 2 1/2 inches up from the bottom and an inch in from the right.  At least we know what some people *haven't* read and remembered.  --  Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX          ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf  Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ   Omen Technology Inc    "The High Reliability Software" 17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD   Portland OR 97231   503-621-3406
From: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford) Subject: Summary: ATI Graphics Ultra Questions etc Reply-To: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca Organization: Eos Systems Inc, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 147   To those interested in the new ATI Ultra Cards:  I had posted some questions regarding the new ATI Ultra Pro cards and had asked confirmation of some opinions.  This message is a summary of the responses. Thanks to all of you that replied.   > 1) The card does not work in a system with 32M RAM.  a) The higher memory limits apply to ISA cards only, as far as I know.  The VLB    and EISA version should have no problems.   b) I'm pretty sure from my experience that the ISA version doesn't    work in systems with over 16M Ram.  There is supposed to be way    of switching the "memory aperture" feature off to prevent this,    but apparently it doesn't work.  I posted some "help me" messages    on the net and people indicated that the EISA card didn't have this    problem.  c) FALSE  d) The VLB card, which I have, allows you to set memory aperture over 32M    by using their configuration software.  No messing with jumpers necessary.     The 32M problem is probably valid only for ISA cards.   > 2) The card works in a 32M system with some switches >    set but it is much slower.  a) Again, the memory aperture need only be disabled if you have more than 124M RAM    (EISA and VLB) or 12 M (ISA).  32M should not be a problem for you.    b) Dunno.  c) Depends on the bus. YES if ISA, NO if EISA or Localbus   > 3) The card is _interlaced_ in its 24bit (true-colour) modes.  a) Nope.  I can use 640x480 at 72hz, 24-bit and 800x600 at 70hz, 24-bit, all    non-interlaced.  b) Yes - According to PC Magazine, they've tested a local bus version    that does 1024x768 in 24-bit which may or may not be interlaced.  c) Not for the Pro. Sometimes for the Plus.     Some modes may run only interlaced on certain monitors. This has nothing to     do with 24 bits ... only with screen size. Note that for 24 bit color    and Windows you MUST have 2 megs, memory size calculations notwithstanding.   > 4) The latest build 59 drivers still do not work in many >    cases.  a) They aren't perfect, but are much improved.  I don't recall the last time which    I had to leave mach 32 mode (ATI GUP mode) and switch to 8514 or VGA mode due    to software incompatibility.  b) True.  Many people recommended going back to Build 55 or 54.  c) They appear to be excellent, but have a few bugs. For example, certain    graphs with dashed lines in Mathcad 3.1 do not print correctly, though they    do display OK on the screen. They are about par for fancy cards ..    other accelerated cards also have bugs.  d) Overall, I like the card, even if driver performance is somewhat less than    satisfactory.  I am running the 1024*768 16 Color mode as that is all my    NT driver for October NT version seems to allow.     I will say this that Color performance is not quite as nice as a Diamond    Stealth VRAM, but I have not been able to try out a lot of the options on    the old driver.   > 5) This card is the fastest full colour card for the money.  a) It's quite fast, but whether or not its the fastest is open to debate.   b) Yes - I'll admit it was very very fast in 16-bit mode, which is what    I wanted to use it for.  Too bad it crashed (in many different ways)    every 20 minutes or so...  c) Depends on many many things.   > 6) This card is the greatest thing since sliced bread. ;-)  a) I like it.  b) Well - PC Magazine seems to think it is.  c) Yes, this appears to be true :-)  d) As to greatest thing since sliced bread, I doubt it.  Better cards are    coming out.  Who knows, maybe ATI will come out with something faster yet.    Several reviews I read rated one Pycon Winjet card as a superior performer     at a cheaper price except for availability of drivers, which Pycon was     developing at that time.  (PC Magazine, about two months or so back)     Overall, the card has a lot of potential, but you have to be able to use it.    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- That is the end of the questions. These were the most discussed items in this group so I thought they needed confirmation. For those of you not familiar with the card I have included a summary here (from an ATI ad since I don't have an Graphics Ultra yet.)  ATI Graphics Ultra Plus: - Accelerated 1024x768 at 65K colours - True colour(16.7M) at 800x600 - Multimedia Video Acceleration (for Indeo Video,RLE and Video 1 compressed)   Stretch full motion video windows to full size - Fast VGA - Includes 3 button mouse (ISA versions only) - Anti-aliased fonts (ed. avail in 16 colour mode only,I think) - Real-time pan and zoom across large virtual windows desktop - Around a 1/2 length card size - Priced from $400 U.S.  ATI Graphics Ultra Pro: - Everything in Graphics Ultra Plus - Faster performance with VRAMS - Accelerated 1280x1024 at 256 colours 74Hz non-interlaced - Available in ISA, EISA and Microchannel - Priced from $600 U.S.  ATI Technologies (416) 756-0718  I hope this summary can be of use to you.  Al  P.S.  I am not associated with ATI Technologies in any way other       than having used their previous ATI Ultra card for a few       years (which I generally liked).   --  Alan Walford     Eos Systems Inc., Vancouver,B.C., Canada  Tel: 604-734-8655 aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca           OR        ...uunet!wimsey.bc.ca!eosvcr!aew  
From: loki@acca.nmsu.edu (Entropic Destroyer) Subject: Letter in Colorado Daily Organization: New Mexico State University Lines: 85 NNTP-Posting-Host: kazak.nmsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]   The Colorado Daily recently reprinted the Wall Street Journal's article on Paxton Quigley, including the nefarious little paragraph the Journal tacked onto the end.  After recieving much assistance from various T.P.G. type folks, I wrote a letter to the editor criticizing this last paragraph, and surprise, surprise, surprise, they published it.  The text follows. The Colorado Daily, btw, is the University of Colorado (Boulder) student (I think) newspaper... not exactly a big coup, but every little bit, i guess...  (The title was the only thing they changed/added)  "Gun Stats"  The Daily recently reprinted an article from the Wall Street Journal, primarily concerned with Paxton Quigley, author of "Armed and Female."  The article, in turn, cites a misleading statistic that was originally reported in the New England Journal of Medicine.  The article states, "A study... found that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner, spouse, a friend, or child than to kill an intruder."  This is an often-quoted statistic, and it is misleading for sev- eral reasons, outlined below:  The study gives the impression that, if you own a  gun, the likelihood that you will successfully use it to  defend yourself is less than that of the gun being turned against you.  The study, however, fails to take into account cases where a law-abiding citizen uses a gun  to thwart a crime, without actually killing the perpe- trator.  The study actually refers to 'acquaintances' rather than 'friend'.  This would include the friendly neigh- borhood thug who shows up like clockwork, every month, the second your grandmother cashes her social security check.  Possibly an acquaintance, but hardly a friend.  The NEJM study is based on the immediate dis- position of cases and fails to take into account cases originally filed as homicides that were later ruled to be self-defense.  Especially considering the small sample  size (396), taking these events into account has a sub- stantial effect on the 43:1 ratio quoted.  Criminologist Gary Kleck gives us a slightly dif- erent statistic: a gun is 33 times more likely to be  used, successfully, by a private citizen against an  aggressor than it is to kill anyone at all.  Further, per- sons defending themselves from aggression by using a  gun fare better than those who resist vicimization by some other means, or who offer no resistance at all. Statistics available from the FBI and other agencies  also show that a gun is 245 times more likely to be used by a non-criminal to defend against criminal threat than to be used to commit criminal homicide, 535 times more likely to be used to defend against a criminal threat than to accidentally kill anybody, and 50 times more likely to defend against criminal threat than to be used to commit suicide.  It is well to keep in mind that nearly anything can  be proved by uncritical quotation of statistics.  One has to consider carefully what questions were asked by those gathering the data before one can draw an accu- rate conclusion from them.  D.F. Taylor CU Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry   -- Spooksmoke: Revolution, Assasination, Thorium, Cobalt-60, Clintin, CIA, NSA, SHC   DoD #202 / loki@acca.nmsu.edu / liberty or death / taylordf@ucsu.colorado.edu                   Send me something even YOU can't read... -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.2  mQCNAitfksQAAAEEAKceEjWI9f5KMJyKP0LOgC5dGHRpbMY2xhOo8kpEHMDyuf8a 1BfDQSj53kosTz6HRoshSDzLVuL1/40vPjmMNtFR+vyZ4jvd3rL4iuq2umMmex3M itf3uLt8Xn/v/QAbsvhcFSHVJVK4Lf6wosuCMO03m2TiX31AI7VB0Uzo4yXjAAUX tCREYW5pZWwgRiBUYXlsb3IgPExva2lAYWNjYS5ubXN1LmVkdT4= =S5ib -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
From: jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey) Subject: Re: UART needed (really BREAK detect) Organization: Olivetti North America, Spokane, WA Lines: 41  In article <alan-210493163447@17.129.12.26> alan@apple.com (Alan Mimms) writes: >Actually detecting a BREAK is done by watching for a "character" containing >all zero bits with the framing error resulting from its receipt.  This  True enough, but...  >means that the line stayed in the zero bit state even past the stop bit >time slot, which basically indicates a BREAK.  There is no special way to >detect BREAK that I have found other than this -- there's no magic signal >generated by UARTs, etc.  Zilog SCC: --------- 	RR0[7]:  Break Detect  This is a very popular part, but it has a number of quirks, especially in HDLC mode.  Signetics 68562 DUSCC: --------------------- 	RSR[2]:  Break Start Detect 	RSR[3]:  Break End Detect  Two of the bits in the Receiver Status Register.  You can enable an interrupt on either of these bits going high, too.  Also, only one NULL will be put in the FIFO per break detected.  This is simply the best serial chip I've ever worked with.  _Many_ less quirks than the SCC, which is IMHO second-best.  (Death to 8250 devices!)  --  +----------------+ ! II      CCCCCC !  Jim Cathey ! II  SSSSCC     !  ISC-Bunker Ramo ! II      CC     !  TAF-C8;  Spokane, WA  99220 ! IISSSS  CC     !  UUCP: uunet!isc-br!jimc (jimc@isc-br.isc-br.com) ! II      CCCCCC !  (509) 927-5757 +----------------+ 			One Design to rule them all; one Design to find them. 			One Design to bring them all and in the darkness bind 			them.  In the land of Mediocrity where the PC's lie.
From: tas@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Thomas A. Spraggins) Subject: Re: How universal are phones these days? Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 16  In article <WD.93Apr26122020@sam.cs.tu-berlin.de> wd@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Diestelkamp) writes: >Otherwise, it is technically no problem to connect a foreign >phone to either the German or Swedish phone system. >OTOH neither you nor I would ever try that, as it is of course >illegal.  Oh yes, the good ol' deutsche Bundespost.  Shortly after moving to Germany, someone told me that "POST" is an acronym for the "Public Organization for the Suppression of Technology".  Stimmt, oder?  I miss a lot of things about Germany (yes, including the Bier vending machines at work that were SUBSIDIZED by the firm), but the phone system is not one of them.  Tom Spraggins tas@virginia.edu
From: Lauger@ssdgwy.mdc.com (John Lauger) Subject: Re: Sumatripton (spelling?) Organization: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: q5020598.mdc.com  In article <5531@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us>, roxannen@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us wrote: >  > I recently heard of some testing of a new migraine drug called sumatripton > (I have no idea of the actual spelling) that supposedly utilizes a chemical > that trips neuro-transmitters.  My mother has regular migraines and nothing > seems to help - does anyone know anything about this new drug?  Is it in > a testing phaze or anywhere near approval?  Does it seem to be working? >  My girlfriend just started taking this drug for her migranes.  It really helped her get through the rebound withdrawl when she got off analgesics.  She doesn't have a mail account, but asked me to forward this:  "Glaxo is the distributor; Imitrex is the drug's brand name.  It works.  She can call her pharmacy for more info. The "miracle" drug has been used for years in Europe and for some time in Canada.  Trials in the U.S. were completed and the drug hit the US market at the end of March.  Some pharmacies don't stock it yet.  Presently it needs to be injected subcutaneously; although testing is starting with a nasal spray form.  It mimics serotonin (its molecular structure that fits onto pain receptors looks identical to serotonin on a model I saw)"  Opinions are mine or others but definately not MDA's! Lauger@ssdgwy.mdc.com McDonnell Douglas Aerospace, Huntington Beach, California, USA
From: steveg@bach.udel.edu (Steven N Gaudino) Subject: 200 meg Western Digital IDE Hard Drive for sale! Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu Organization: University of Delaware Distribution: usa Lines: 5   I am selling a Western Digital 212 meg IDE HD, the Caviar 2200 model.  The  access time is <15 ms, and it has a built in cache.  It is BRAND NEW, still in the original static bag.  Asking $275, obo.   
From: tbra380@cdc835.cdc.polimi.it (The Musician) Subject: Re: Is there a version of UNIX's vi editor for Windoews 3.1?? Organization: C.d.C-Politecnico di Milano Lines: 17  >=> Pete Holsberg (pjh@mccc.edu) wrote: >=> : Subject: line says it all. I looked and looked, but came up empty-handed. >=>  >=> Are you a pervert ??? You are pervert.. Ok vi is not CUA but it has a powerful set of commands. One for all it has 26 separate clipboard (and not only one ofor all kind of data like Windows does). The only problem is to Know the commands (the keyboard shortcut). I am quite fast with the pc keyboard... and I usually use all fingers to digit so when I use a editor I do not want to leave the keyboard and use the mouse every time I need a special Function on the menu or to use the arrow keys that are away from the usual position of my hands on the keyboard...... In my situation vi is very powerful and I'm searching to a vi editor  for Windows.... Bye p.s. sorry for the bad english.... 
From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) Subject: Possible Canadian WC Team? Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 39  This is an all-point team for the Canadian NHLers who are not playoff bound...  GOALIES Bill Ranford, Edmonton Sean Burke, Hartford Peter Sidorkiewicz, Ottawa  DEFENSEMEN Zarley Zalapski, Hartford Norm MacIver, Ottawa Garry Galley, Philadelphia Greg Hawgood, Philadelphia Dave Manson, Edmonton Mark Tinordi, Minnesota  CENTERS Mark Messier, N. Y. Rangers Geoff Sanderson, Hartford Brian Bradley, Tampa Bay Rod Brind'Amour, Philadelphia  LEFT WINGS Adam Graves, N. Y. Rangers Chris Kontos, Tampa Bay Patrick Poulin, Hartford Shayne Corson, Edmonton  RIGHT WINGS Pat Verbeek, Hartford Russ Courtnall, Minnesota Mike Gartner, N. Y. Rangers Kevin Dineen, Philadelphia  =============================================================================== GO CALGARY FLAMES!  Al MacInnis for Norris!  Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe! GO EDMONTON OILERS!  Go for playoffs next year!  Stay in Edmonton! =============================================================================== Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu) rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
From: jwg@sedv1.acd.com ( Jim Grey) Subject: Re: Necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership Organization: Hell                                            Lines: 19  In article <1993Apr2.174850.6289@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> prm@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (paul.r.mount) writes: > >In your experience, how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning >will do much more good than just using detergent gas.   While I >agree that a clogged fuel injector would darken my day, how clogged >do they get, and is $59 a good price (or can I do it myself by buying >a can of ____ (what?) and doing ___ what?   A "fuel injector cleaning" at the dealer is probably little more than them opening your gas tank, dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner, and sending you on your merry way $59 poorer.  Go to KMart and buy the cleaner yourself for $1.29.   Just because you dealer sez you need it, don't mean it's necessarily so. Be suspicious.   jim grey jwg@acd4.acd.com
From: pittam@fencer.cis.dsto.gov.au Subject: WordBasic SDK Organization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation Lines: 19 Reply-To: pitt@cis.dsto.gov.au NNTP-Posting-Host: fencer.cis.dsto.gov.au   Request for Information  I have been reading about an organisation called "WinWord Developer's Relations Group".  I believe they have produced publications called WinWord Software Development Kit (or WordBasic SDK) and 'The Proceedings of the Windows Developers' Tools Conference, WordBasic' sessions assembled by Steve Wexler.  Would you be able to help me with a contact name and address for this organisation or these publications.  Thank you   --                   Adrian Pitt - Systems Administrator          DSTO Corporate Information Systems Unit (Melbourne)        506 Lorimer Street, Fishermens Bend, VIC 3207 Australia   Phone (03) 647 7881  Fax (03) 646 6061  email pitt@cis.dsto.gov.au
From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Subject: Galileo Update - 04/22/93 Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Lines: 84 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov Keywords: Galileo, JPL News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41      Forwarded from Neal Ausman, Galileo Mission Director                                   GALILEO                      MISSION DIRECTOR STATUS REPORT                                POST-LAUNCH                            April 16 - 22, 1993   SPACECRAFT  1.  On April 19, cruise science Memory Readouts (MROs) were performed for the Extreme Ultraviolet Spectrometer (EUV), Dust Detector (DDS), and Magnetometer (MAG) instruments.  Preliminary analysis indicates the data was received properly.  2.  On April 19, a Command Detector Unit Signal-to-Noise Ratio (CDUSNR) test and a Radio Frequency Subsystem Automatic Gain Control (RFSAGC) test were performed using the LGA-1 (Low Gain Antenna #1) over DSS-63 (Madrid 70 meter antenna) and DSS-61 (Madrid 34 meter antenna), respectively.  Data analysis is in process.  These tests are periodically performed to provide detailed information relative to the telecom command hardware integrity.  3.  On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase.  4.  On April 21, the first of two suppressed carrier/DSN (Deep Space Network) advanced receiver characterization tests was performed over DSS-14 (Goldstone 70 meter antenna).  The spacecraft modulation index was varied from 43 degrees to 90 degrees for a range of ground receiver bandwidth settings.  5.  The AC bus imbalance measurement has not exhibited significant change (greater than 25 DN) throughout this period but the DC bus imbalance measurement has.  The AC measurement reads 20 DN (4.5 volts).  The DC measurement has ranged from 43 DN (4.6 volts) to 138 DN (16.2 volts) and currently reads 138 DN (16.2 volts).  These measurements are consistent with the model developed by the AC/DC special anomaly team.  6.  The Spacecraft status as of April 22, 1993, is as follows:         a)  System Power Margin -  68 watts        b)  Spin Configuration - Dual-Spin        c)  Spin Rate/Sensor - 3.15rpm/Star Scanner        d)  Spacecraft Attitude is approximately 21 degrees            off-sun (lagging) and 5 degrees off-earth (leading)        e)  Downlink telemetry rate/antenna- 40bps(coded)/LGA-1        f)  General Thermal Control - all temperatures within            acceptable range        g)  RPM Tank Pressures - all within acceptable range        h)  Orbiter Science- Instruments powered on are the PWS,            EUV, UVS, EPD, MAG, HIC, and DDS        i)  Probe/RRH - powered off, temperatures within            acceptable range        j)  CMD Loss Timer Setting - 264 hours            Time To Initiation - 184 hours   TRAJECTORY       As of noon Thursday, April 22, 1993, the Galileo Spacecraft trajectory status was as follows:  	Distance from Earth         169,747,800 km (1.14 AU) 	Distance from Sun           286,967,900 km (1.92 AU) 	Heliocentric Speed          91,200 km per hour 	Distance from Jupiter       532,735,900 km 	Round Trip Light Time       18 minutes, 58 seconds   SPECIAL TOPIC  1.  As of April 22, 1993, a total of 70185 real-time commands have been transmitted to Galileo since Launch.  Of these, 65077  were initiated in the sequence design process and 5108 initiated in the real-time command process. In the past week, one real time command was transmitted: one was initiated in the sequence design process and none initiated in the real time command process. The only command activity was a command to reset the command loss timer.      ___    _____     ___     /_ /|  /____/ \  /_ /|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov     | | | |  __ \ /| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |  ___| | | | |__) |/  | | |__   M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand /___| | | |  ___/    | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and |_____|/  |_|/       |_____|/                     | part vegetable. 
From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: <Political Atheists?) Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau Lines: 14  In article <1qlf7gINN8sn@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) wrote: > Which type of morality are you talking about?  In a natural sense, it > is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't > adversely affect your own, I guess).  Hehehe, so you say, but this objective morality somehere tells you  that this is not the case, and you don't know all the rules of such transcendental game systems...  Cheers, Kent --- sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
From: jrmst8+@pitt.edu (Joseph R Mcdonald) Subject: Re: Wirtz is a weenie Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 27  In article <wfozwMi00Uh_E1kyE=@andrew.cmu.edu> rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Angelo Pleshar) writes: >In other TV news, the Penguins announced yesterday that they will have 3 >fewer broadcast TV games, and will have 22(!) games on some sort of >subscription / pay-per-view system. Yuck.  This is incorrect.  This year the Pens had 61 games on "free" TV and 6 games on PPV.  Next year they will have 62 games on free TV and 22 on  a subscription basis.    You actually get 1 more free game than last year, and there will be no more "radio-only" games.  Its a good deal.  Last year, everybody bitched about Baldwin "breaking up the team".  Now, he goes out of his way to keep the nucleus of this team together and that takes money.  He comes up with a creative way to generate more revenue so he can afford this team, and people bitch some more.  Everybody wants something for nothing.  Dean  --  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dean J. Falcione                                      "Badges? What badges? We  (using jrmst8 by permission                            Don't need no stinkin'  of the owner, Joe McDonald)                           badges!"
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Street stories Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com  In article <1993Apr23.050442.149681@zeus.calpoly.edu>, sparker@tuba.calpoly.edu (Sean Lawrence Parker) writes: >  > I just caught the last bit of the street stories segment on  > woman and guns.What caught my eye was that two woman were > shown on the program in mass. and both were carrying  > concealed. Can you obtain a CCW in mass.?( for the ordinary citizen )  CCW's are issued at the discretion of the police chief, so it varies town by town.  In my town, forget about anything more than "target and sport" (carry to and from the gun club / hunting area only) unless you're Mr. Moneybags with Large Daily Deposits.  ("Your life isn't worth shit, but your money -- now, that's important.")  In other towns, they treat law abiding citizens like adults.    Secret game hint: you never know when the rules will be changed -- a change  in police chief can throw a town from either side of the board to the other -- fun for the whole family!  Some chiefs will grant you a "personal protection" permit if you have been attacked or threatened.  Some other blue-suited assholes have been known to  count this as a NEGATIVE against applicants.  It's a crap shoot, and your rights are the stakes. --   cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet... 
From: bjones@convex.com (Brad Jones) Subject: Re: Letter to the President Nntp-Posting-Host: neptune.convex.com Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer               Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and               not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 8  kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) writes:  >the dismissal or resignation of Lloyd Bensen, Secretary of the Treasury,   In case you haven't sent it yet, it's "Bentsen", not "Bensen".  Brad
From: gibson@nukta.geop.ubc.ca (Brad Gibson) Subject: Re: USENET Hockey Draft Final Standings Organization: Dept. of Astronomy / Univ. of British Columbia Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: nukta.astro.ubc.ca  In article <C5un02.Gq5@idacom.hp.com> andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) writes: >Here are the final stadings for the USENET Hockey Draft.  Congratulations >to this year's winner, Dave Wessels of Victoria, B.C., who parlayed his >initial 1000 points into 1575.9 points! > >Thanks to all 262 teams for entering the biggest USENET Hockey Draft ever! >I hope to hear from you all again this September, for the 7th Annual draft. > > >USENET Hockey Draft Standings >Week 28 > >Posn	Team				Total	Pts	Cash	Last Posn > >1.	Dave Wessels                    1575.9	1574	1.9	(1) >79.	Brad Gibson                     1174.2	1147	27.2	(79) >262.	Dinamo Riga                     658.0	603	571.6	(262)    An interesting note ... I have absolutely no recollection who was on my team.   I picked all my players about 2 weeks before the start of the season, and   then never touched the roster again.  I got wrapped up in my own "money" pool   and decided not to get involved at all with the USENET pool (sorry Andrew   btw).  The only thing I remember about my team is that I had Joe Sacco and   maybe John MacLean.  Maybe Francis and Kevin Stevens as well.  Out of   curiousity I checked the final standings today on r.s.h., only to find to my   amazement that with absolutely no input, the initial team still managed to   finsh 79th!  I'm not sure what that implies for those who finished below me   :)    Ciao.   Brad Gibson  --  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------   Brad K. Gibson                           INTERNET: gibson@geop.ubc.ca   Dept. of Geophysics & Astronomy            #129-2219 Main Mall                      PHONE: (604)822-6722   University of British Columbia           FAX:   (604)822-6047   Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada   V6T 1Z4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle) Subject: Re: How difficult is it to get Penguin tickets? Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 14  In article <1993Apr18.201811.28965@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money) writes: >The subject line says it all.  Is it terribly difficult to get tickets >to Penguins games, especially now that they are in the playoffs?  Would >it be easy to find scalpers outside of the Igloo selling tickets?  There are ALWAYS scalpers with tickets outside the Arena.  You might have to pay a few bucks extra, but you can always find them.  Look on the street under the message board, or out on the street in front of the Hyatt, or even around Gate 1.  The later you buy them, the less money you'll pay, and during the regular season you could usually find some for near face value or below if you wait until game time.  Might be better to pick them up earlier now, though.  rick
From: gsulliva@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Glenn A Sullivan) Subject: Re: making copy of a Video tape Summary: Here is Go-Video Organization: Arizona State University Lines: 14  In article <136390006@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com>, pi@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Paul Ilgenfritz) writes: >  > I think the Go Video dual cassette machines do a direct tape to tape copy > which transfers Macrovision to the copy.  I you can find one of these, it > would be worth a try.  Go-Video machines used in HQ2 mode will copy even the MacroVision. Go-Video phone number (602)998-3400.   Ask for sales department. Since the state of Arizona does not go on  Daylight Savings time, we effectively are in Pacific time zone.  Allen Sullivan Designing various stuff for GO-Video
From: ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) Subject: ?? DOS font size in windows?? Organization: NC State University Lines: 13   	I have an 8514/A card, and I am using windows in 1024x768 mode  	(normal 8514/A font, not small).  In the 386 enhanced mode 	the DOS window font is too small for my 14" monitor. Is there a  	way to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You'll have to  	excuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to 	MS Windows world.  	Thanks.  	(Please include this message for reference) 	======  S. Alavi    [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu]  (919)467-7909 (H)  ======== 						  (919)515-8063 (W)
From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell Lines: 74  In article <May.2.09.50.29.1993.11787@geneva.rutgers.edu>, trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes: > > In article <Apr.20.03.01.40.1993.3769@geneva.rutgers.edu> trajan@cwis. > > unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes: >  > > >     ... Besides, I would > > >     rather spend an eternity in Hell than be beside God in Heaven > > >     knowing even one man would spend his "eternal life" being > > >     scorched for his wrongdoings... > This "display of bravado" is no bluff.  I've no fear any God or >      His punishment. ...  That was my point. If I play poker with Monopoly money I can bet  anything I want.  > > ... > But I shan't go to heaven-- it would be against my sense of >      humanity and compassion for my fellow man.  This is exactly why Christianity is missionary in nature, not just out of a need to irritate. 8-)   > > ... > The God of both Testaments are one and the same, and in >      neither is there evidence God is strictly love.    To the people who wrote the Bible and to whom the Bible is written, there is evidence of love, but that is a cultural bias. This is a poor answer which you needn't rebut.  I will now pull the old bait and switch.  I think you should use the Bible to judge man, not God. By that I mean, if your moral intuition doesn't like what is described in the Bible, realize that such things are going on now. I will avoid the semantic arguments about the cause of evil and ask what are you doing to fight it? Not you specifically, but everyone, including myself. If I don't like the genocide in the Bible, what about the genocide that goes on right now? To move beyond the question of a hell, realize that many people right now are suffering. If you think hell isn't fair and are willing to sacrifice everything just to deny its existence, what about how life isn't fair? Right now there is a young mother with three little kids who doesn't know how she will get through the day. Right now there is a sixth grader who is a junkie. Right now there is an old man with no friends and no money to fix his TV. Instead of why doesn't God help them ask why don't we help them. I think you are correct to challenge any Christian who doesn't live his life with the compassion you seem to possess.  You want evidence of God. Find someone who is making a difference, someone you admire, someone who has been through some tough times and has come out with his head up. Ask the person how he does it. Ask  the Vietnam vet who was battle medic how he kept his mind. Ask the  woman who was pregnant at 15, kept the baby and now is a successful business woman. Ask the doctor who has operated on a 1-1/2 pound baby. They won't all be Christians, or even what you might call religious, but there will be something in common.  God is not defined in the Bible, God is defined by what is in those people's hearts. It doesn't matter if you can't give intellectual assent to any description you've heard, they're all wrong anyway. The compassion you already feel in your heart  is a step in the right direction. Follow that instead. Then come back and read the Bible and you'll see that same thing described there.  > > If nothing else makes sense, hang on to that idea, that God is love. >  > I would say something similar, but in reverse order: love >      is god.  Good, I guess we only have to work on your grammar. 8-)  Chris Mussack
From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle) Subject: Re: Broken rib Keywords: advice needed Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute Lines: 28  In article <D0ZB3B1w164w@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca writes: >  >fell about 3 weeks ago down into the hold of the boat and broke or >cracked a rib and wrenched and bruised my back and left arm. >  My question,  I have been to a doctor and was told that it was  >best to do nothing and it would heal up with no long term effect, and  >indeed I am about 60 % better, however, the work I do is very  >hard and I am still not able to go back to work.  The thing that worries me >is the movement or "clunking" I feel and hear back there when I move  >certain ways...  I heard some one talking about the rib they broke  >years ago and that it still bothers them..  any opinions?    Your doctor is right. It is best to do nothing, besides taking some pain medication initially. Some patients don't like this and expect, or demand, to have something done. In these cases some physicians will "tape" the  patient (put a lot of heavy adhesive tape around the chest), or prescribe an elastic binder. All this does is make it harder to breath, but the patient doesn't feel cheated, because soemthing is being done about the problem. Either way, the end results are the same.  ==================================  Howard Doyle doyle+@pitt.edu 
From: gkirkaldie@sanity.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (George Kirkaldie) Organization: Sanitarium BBS - Cambridge, Ontario, Canada Subject: Re: birds - are they physics majors? Reply-To: gkirkaldie@sanity.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep  5 1992 Lines: 28  In <C5pn2p.L44@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, Operator writes: }Crazy question: "Anyone ever wonder how birds can drop a load on a car }going over 65 MPH" ?   } }I took a non-stop trip, got shitted on FOUR times (every time hitting the  }windshield, not even the open sunroof!  Guess we have conscientious birds ;) }Was going 75 MPH. } }  I used to have a '67 Galaxie convertible, was sitting at a light waiting for it to turn green. It turned green, but I hesitated a little (sleeping I guess) and a bird bombed me, it landed directly in front of me at eye level, I guess the bird miscalculated and thought I was going to take off right away.  And I'm still trying to figure out the one I got under my rear bumper as well ?!?!?! Was the bird flying up and doing fancy acrobatics at my car and decided to drop one while executing a perfect loop??  --  --------------------------------------------------------------------------   TT030   |'87 Mustang GT         |George Kirkaldie    |||    |Pioneer, Audio Control |gkirkaldie@sanity.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca    |||    |Phoenix Gold, Kicker   |   / | \   |Flowmaster, Motorsport |Cambridge, Ontario, Canada A T A R I |                       | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: dsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov (Doug S. Caprette) Subject: CS chemical agent Organization: CDP VLBI Lines: 10    Can anyone provide information on CS chemical agent--the tear gas used recently in WACO.  Just what is it chemically, and what are its effects on the body?  dsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov    |  Regards,         |   Hughes STX                |    Code 926.9 GSFC        |  |  Doug Caprette    |   Lanham, Maryland          |    Greenbelt, MD  20771   |  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A path is laid one stone at a time" -- The Giant
From: pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu Subject: HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing Lines: 11  My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no medical insurance, she cannot get them removed.  My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature, etc...)  Thank you,  Dave Carvell pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) Subject: AHL playoff results (concrete) Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 29 Nntp-Posting-Host: craft.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]  Well, I got the scores for Sat's games...  AHL PLAYOFF SCORES-- FIRST ROUND	(home team in CAPS) ================================ 		 GAMES PLAYED ON SAT, 4/24 ------------------------- BALTIMORE 3	Binghamton 1 ROCHESTER 3	Utica 2 SPRINGFIELD 4	Providence 3 		 =================================================================== SERIES STATI (plural of status? :) ---------------------------------- Adirondack defeated CDI, 4-0 Springfield defeated Providence, 4-2 Binghamton tied w/Baltimore, 2-2 Rochester defeated Utica, 4-1 St John's leads Moncton, 3-1 Cape Breton defeated Fredericton, 4-1 			     ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++     + Bri Farenell			farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu   +     + AHL, ECAC and Boston Bruins contact for rec.sport.hockey		   +     + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81  '86  '89  '92	   +     + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66  '91  '93		   +     + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90  '91       +     + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu +     ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) Subject: Re: hypodermic needle Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 4  Scientific American had a nice short article on the history of the hypodermic about 10 or 15 years ago.  Prior to liquid injectables, there were paddle-like needles used to implant a tiny pill under the skin.
From: tholen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Dave Tholen) Subject: Re: New planet/Kuiper object found? Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii Distribution: sci Lines: 13  James Nicoll writes:  >	If the  new  Kuiper belt object *is*  called 'Karla', the next > one  should be called 'Smiley'.  No, no, no!  The previous one was called "Smiley".  1992 QB1 = Smiley, and 1993 FW = Karla.  Note that neither name is official.  It seems the discoverers have an aversion to the designation scheme.  By the way, 1992 QB1 can never be known as "Smiley" officially, because that moniker has already been assigned to asteroid number 1613.
From: nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson) Subject: Proposal: alt.fan.tesla Organization: Clarkson University, Potsdam NY Lines: 4 Nntp-Posting-Host: cheetah.ece.clarkson.edu  For discussion of Nikolai Tesla (who else??)  -- --russ <nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu> Businesses persuade; Governments force.
From: tong@ohsu.edu (Gong Tong) Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? Article-I.D.: ohsu.1993Apr16.194316.25522 Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University Lines: 48  In article <1993Apr16.155123.447@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes: >In article <1993Apr14.122647.16364@tms390.micro.ti.com> david@tms390.micro.ti.com (David Thomas) writes: > >>>In article <13APR199308003715@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov>, packer@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes: >>>>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity? >>>>I saw in the NY Times Sunday that scientists have testified before  >>>>an FDA advisory panel that complaints about MSG sensitivity are >>>>superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary?  >>>> >>>>I'm old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least >>>>a couple of times since the 1960s. Then it was called the >>>>"Chinese restaurant syndrome" because Chinese cuisine has >>>>always used it. >> >>So far, I've seen about a dozen posts of anecdotal evidence, but >>no facts.  I suspect there is a strong psychological effect at  >>work here.  Does anyone have results from a scientific study >>using double-blind trials?   > >Check out #27903, just some 20 posts before your own. Maybe you missed >it amidst the flurry of responses? Yet again, the use of this >newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters >they have substantial knowledge of. > >For cites on MSG, look up almost anything by John W. Olney, a >toxicologist who has studied the effects of MSG on the brain and on >development.  It is undisputed in the literature that MSG is an >excitotoxic food additive, and that its major constituent, glutamate >is essentially the premierie neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain >(humans included).  Too much in the diet, and the system gets thrown >off.  Glutamate and aspartate, also an excitotoxin are necessary in >small amounts, and are freely available in many foods, but the amounts >added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be >encountered in a ny single food.  By eating lots of junk food, >packaged soups, and diet soft drinks, it is possible to jack your >blood levels so high, that anyone with a sensitivity to these >compounds will suffer numerous *real* physi9logical effects.  >Read Olney's review paper in Prog. Brain Res, 1988, and check *his* >sources. They are impecable. There is no dispute. > >                    --Dianne Murray    wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca  In order to excitotoxin effects of MSG, MSG that in blood must go through  blood-brain barrier that I am not sure MSG can go through or not. In normal condition, the concentration of glutamate in the cerebrospinal fluid is about  2 uM that is high enough to activate one type of glutamate receptor-the NMDA receptor. But the question is Neuron and glial cell in the brain have a lots of transport to get glutamate into Neuron or glial. So no one know exact concentration of glutamate is around neurons.   Glutamate is most important neurotransmitter in the central nervous system. It is involved in not only in daily life like the controling of movement, it is alsoinvolved in develpoment, memory and learn (it is involved in Logn-term potentialtion that be thought is the basis of learning). 
From: butts#@shocker.ee.twsu.edu (Ronald W. Butts -SUPER ACCT) Subject: Re: Need to find out numb Organization: Electrical Engr. Dept, Wichita State Univ. X-Posted-From: ces-3.ee.twsu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 35  In article <6208.442.uupcb@ozonehole.com> gerald.belton@ozonehole.com ( Gerald Belton)  writes  >Subject: Need to find out numb >Date: 20 Apr 93 12:18:00 GMT  >AL>There is a number you can call which will return a synthesized >AL>voice telling you the number of the line.  Unfortunately, for the >AL>life of me I can't remember what it is. The telephone technicians >AL>use it all the time.  We used to play around with this in our >AL>dorm rooms since there were multiple phone lines running between >AL>rooms. > >It probably wouldn't help for you to post the number, since it appears >to be different in each area.  For what it's worth, in the New Orleans >area the number is 998-877-6655 (easy to remember, what?) > > > * SLMR 2.1 * Ask me anything: if I don't know, I'll make up something. >                                            Here in our city, dialing either 940-7222 (newer exchanges) or 940-2222222 [ sic] will get a synthesized message. Works great for having people call you  back at unlabeled pay phones.  Regards, Bill   +------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ | Ronald W. (Bill) Butts, Jr.        |      Gentlemen! Gentlemen!        | | Electrical Engineering Department  |    You can't fight in here--      | | The Wichita State University       |       This is the War Room!       | | butts@shocker.ee.twsu.edu          |                                   | +------------------------------------+-----------------------------------+
From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) Subject: Sweden-Finland, April 15 Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 119    Played in Scandinavium, Gothenburg, April 15 1993:  ==================================================   SWEDEN - FINLAND  6-6 (1-2,3-1,2-3)   1st: SWE 1-0 Peter Popovic      (Markus Naslund)                     6:10       FIN 1-1 Ville Siren        (Keijo Sailynoja)                    8:44 (pp)       FIN 1-2 Juha Riihijarvi    (Timo Saarikoski,Vesa Viitakoski)   13:12 (pp)  2nd: FIN 1-3 Jari Korpisalo     (Kari Harila,Rauli Raitanen)         6:48       SWE 2-3 Jan Larsson        (Mikael Renberg,Stefan Nilsson)      7:25       SWE 3-3 Hakan Ahlund       (Thomas Rundqvist)                   8:56       SWE 4-3 Roger Akerstrom    (Roger Hansson)                      9:13  3rd: SWE 5-3 Stefan Nilsson     (Patrik Juhlin,Charles Berglund)     2:20       FIN 5-4 Keijo Sailynoja                                         9:23       FIN 5-5 Keijo Sailynoja                                         9:44 (ps)       SWE 6-5 Mikael Renberg     (Hakan Ahlund,Thomas Rundqvist)     17:16       FIN 6-6 Jari Korpisalo                                         17:44               Shots on goal:      Penalties:     Attendance:    Referee:  Sweden       8 10 10 - 28       5*2min         6,799          Peter Andersson  Finland     12 10 11 - 33       6*2min,1*10min                (Sweden)  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------   Sweden opened the scoring as Markus Naslund made a drop pass at the Finnish  blue line, Popovic picked it up and advanced towards the Finnish goal and  shot a nice hard wrist shot in Ketterer's top corner. Ville Siren's slap  shot from the blue line on power play made it 1-1, and Juha Riihijarvi  scored a nice goal in another power play when he close in front of goal  put the puck high over Aslin, 1-2 after the first period.  The Finns started the second period with really good pressure. Korpisalo  made it 1-3 with another goal from close range high over Aslin. Then,  during the Finnish pressure, Sweden turned the game around in 1:47.  Mikael Renberg worked hard behind the Finnish goal, and passed the puck to  Jan Larsson in front, who backhanded the puck low, 2-3. Rundqvist entered  the Finnish zone and passed to Ahlund, and the Finnish defense let Ahlund   skate in and take a shot that Ketterer dropped into the goal, 3-3.  Next, Roger Hansson -behind the goal- sent the puck back to the blue line  where Roger Akerstrom took a slap shot and Ketterer didn't see the puck since  there was traffic in front, 4-3.  Third period started with a nice goal by Stefan "the Shadow" Nilsson. Stefan  and Patrik Juhlin entered the Finnish zone, Patrik passed the puck back to  Stefan who alone with Ketterer made no mistake, 5-3.  Then, Keijo Sailynoja show started. He reduce and equalized the lead in only  21 seconds! First he scored the 5-4 goal, and after that he came in alone   with Aslin but was tripped by Aslin to get a penalty shot. Sailynoja  made a nice penalty shot, showed forehand and put in with a low backhand shot.  The Swedes seemed to head for a win when Mikael Renberg scored the 6-5 goal  late in the game on a nice power play combination. Renberg waited in the slot,  showed that he wanted the puck on the backhand side, Ahlund passed the puck  and Renberg took a turnaround shot low in Ketterer's goal's far side.  But Jari Korpisalo had other plans as he only 28 seconds later scored the  game's final goal to make it 6-6. Korpisalo took a slap shot from a narrow  angle that -maybe- Aslin should have saved.   All in all, a decent game where the defense wasn't the best.  Both teams juggled around the lines a bit in the second and third period  to try no combinations.   Renberg and Rundqvist plays well together in the Swedish team. Larsson-  Nilsson-Juhlin best line overall again, it seems to be a working WC line.  Stillman good on defense.  Some players aren't good enough for the WC though. Hakan Ahlund (faell ner  hjaelmen och jobba!), Roger Hansson, Challe Berglund, Kenny Jonsson  will likely have to leave for NHL pros.   Two-goal scorers Jari Korpisalo and Keijo Sailynoja played well in the  Finnish team. Markus Ketterer didn't have a very good game, we've seen him  a lot better, so Lindfors is probably Finland's starting goalie in the WC.  I heard that Esa Tikkanen will join the Finnish team. It would be inter-  resting to know which other pros coach Matikainen counts on for the WC.   -------------------------------------------------------------------------------   Starting lines:   	SWEDEN					FINLAND    35. Peter Aslin			30. Markus Ketterer     8. Kenneth Kennholt			 2. Mikko Haapakoski   14. Fredrik Stillman			 3. Ville Siren    10. Hakan Ahlund			28. Jarkko Varvio    9. Thomas Rundqvist			40. Mika Nieminen   29. Mikael Renberg  			18. Keijo Sailynoja    27. Roger Akerstrom			 4. Erik Hamalainen    7. Arto Blomsten			 8. Kari Harila    20. Jan Larsson 	 		25. Rauli Raitanen    4. Stefan Nilsson 			26. Petri Varis    5. Patrik Juhlin			14. Jari Korpisalo     3. Peter Popovic			 5. Timo Jutila   32. Stefan Larsson			44. Harri Laurila    11. Roger Hansson			24. Juha Riihijarvi   33. Fredrik Nilsson			22. Timo Saarikoski   24. Peter Ottosson			11. Vesa Viitakoski  					 6. Pasi Sormunen 					12. Janne Laukkanen    19. Markus Naslund			29. Juha Ylonen   21. Peter Forsberg			27. Timo Peltomaa   18. Jonas Bergqvist			17. Marko Palo   Played parts of the game:   22. Charles Berglund			15. Mika Alatalo    6. Kenny Jonsson			16. Saku Koivu 					20. Marko Palo  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --  ((\\  //| Staffan Axelsson               \\  //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se     \\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey  
From: mogul@uclink.berkeley.edu (Bret Mogilefsky) Subject: Re: Any good sound formats conversion program out there?? Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu  In article <edd392h.733700028@mings2.cc.monash.edu.au> edd392h@mings2.cc.monash.edu.au (YWI. Li) writes: >Hi all, > >Does anyone know if there is a good sound formats conversion program out > >there???  (Like PaintshopPro for picture formats conversion) > >Please send me a copy of your reply!!! > >thanks a lot > >Bel >  Hi...  	THe best sound conversion program I've ever seen is SoundTool, which is shareware from Germany.  I found a copy somewhere in wuarchive.wustl.edu a long time ago, but I don't know offhand what directory it was under.  It's GREAT at converting files of all types, including Mac, NExT, Sun, and various PC formats... It's also a great player and editor, with various special effects that put Windows' Sound Recorder to shame.  It requires a driver for various sound cards... The only builtin one is for the pc speaker (and even that sounds pretty good), but if you're just using it to convert things, you can convert them in SoundTool and then play them in Sound Recorder.  Give it a try!  Bret --  * "Why, that's the second    |  mogul@soda.berkeley.edu		* *  biggest monkey head I've  |  mogul@ocf.berkeley.edu		* *  ever seen!"  -Guybrush    |  mogul@uclink.berkeley.edu	*
From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) Subject: Re: EEG Kit? Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Lines: 30  In article <cantrell.735330560@sauron.msfc.nasa.gov> cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa.gov (Eric Cantrell) writes: >Awhile back someone posted some information on where you can get >kits to build an EEG.  Does anyone remember where you could get >this.  I'm very interested in getting some info on this.  Thanks  >in advance. > >eric > >cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa       >  Contact Circuit Cellar Inc., 4 Park St. - Suite 12, Vernon, CT 06066 (203)875-2751, FAX (203)872-2204 and inquire about HAL-4 EEG Biofeedback Brainwave Analyzer.    In addition, if you want to build your own system from board-level compo- nents (biosignal amplifiers, analog isolators and isolated multiplexers) you can contact The Davron Group,P.O. Box 237, Deerfield, IL  60015 FAX (708)948-9290.  - David   +------------------------------------------------------------+ |  David Prutchi                 HC1DT                       | |  Washington University         <prutchi@mesun4.wustl.edu>  | |  Campus Box 1185               <dp@cec1.wustl.edu>         | |  One Brookings Drive                                       | |  St. Louis, MO  63130-4899                                 | +------------------------------------------------------------+
From: ewl@world.std.com (Erich W Lantz) Subject: WordBasic time/date variables Summary: Question about time/date vars under wordbasic Keywords: Winword variable mail wordbasic macro Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Lines: 32   I'm writing a mail management system using Word for Windows 2.0 as a front end. The user dials up a remote system and downloads a batch of mail as "foo.txt ." I've set up an AutoExec macro in Winword to load "foo.txt" OK, but subsequent invocations of the macro will of course pose file name contention problems.  What I'd really like to do is to create an AutoExit macro in Winword that would move "foo.txt" to a specified directory, rename it using the current date and time, and delete the original "foo.txt ."  In other words, "foo.txt" gets renamed as "5012300", say, on May 1 at 23:00- the user gets a time-indexed backup of his mail files and "foo.txt" is freed up for the next packet of mail, since my AutoExec macro points to it.  My main question is this:   How may one rename a file from within a WordBasic macro to include a  time/date variable in the new filename?    Thanks-  =======================================================================   "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking a beer,    I bet it makes beer shoot out of your nose." -- Jack Handey -----------------------------------------------------------------------    Erich W. Lantz | ewl@world.std.com | Timberville, VA | DoD #0815 =======================================================================     
From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)  Subject: Re: Post Polio Syndrome Information Needed Please !!! Distribution: world Organization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis Reply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)  Lines: 15  DN> From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) DN> Briefly, this is a condition in which patients who have significant DN> residual weakness from childhood polio notice progression of the DN> weakness as they get older.  One theory is that the remaining motor DN> neurons have to work harder and so die sooner.  If this theory were true, the muscle biopsy would show group atrophy (evidence of acute loss of enlarged motor units); it doesn't. Instead, the biopsy shows scattered, angulated, atrophic fibers. This is more consistent with load-shedding by chronically overworked motor neurons - the neurons survive, at the expense of increasingly denervated muscle. ---  . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)                                                                                                             
From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) Subject: Cost/Benefit Analysis  (was FBI Director's Statement...) Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93 Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu In-reply-to: costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley)   In article <1993Apr20.212028.17463@twisto.eng.hou.compaq.com>,  costley@solo.eng.hou.compaq.com (Brett Costley) said:  >> *sigh* I just DON'T understand why they couldn't have waited Koresh&Co >> out.  [jlpicard@austin.ibm.com] > > Uh, maybe because it was costing hundreds of thousands of dollars a > day to just sit and wait.  Yeah.  We don't want to spend too much money preserving lives, after all.  Escpecially when they're all just a bunch of crazy fanatic cultists anyway, instead of normal people.  [The above is supposed to be dripping with sarcasm, but I'm too burned out right now (get it? "burned out" ha ha!) to tell if it's working. Look, folks, what David Koresh and his followers were was _broken_.  It takes a certain amount of flexibility and insanity to survive in this world and they didn't have enough of it and that wasn't their fault.  So please stop dancing on their graves, okay?]  -- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu> 
From: almanb@sr.hp.com (Bob Alman) Subject: Re: Where can I get a New York taxi? Distribution: na Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2] Lines: 41  wharfie (wrat@unisql.UUCP) wrote: : In article <C5r66A.6rB@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> almanb@sr.hp.com (Bob Alman) writes: : >          "hose"  h-o-s-e  : 	Dork.  d-o-r-k.   Oh, really?   Here's what you posted earlier in another thread.  Before you thrash others for making simple mistakes or flaunt your wonderful "vi skill", think about how you make them feel as well as how you look (you spelled it right). ;-} For years you have assaulted others with offensive language, etc.  From the content of many of your posts, you appear to have a lot of useful information to share with people, but it gets overshadowed when you come across as an abusive smart-ass.     wharfie (wrat@unisql.UUCP) wrote: : In article <C5LoBL.DDw@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Z auberer) writes: : > : > Remember roads in America are NOT designed for speeds above 80 meaning they : >would be safe at 55-65. Roads like the Autobahn are smoother, straiter, : >wider and slightly banked.  :       Well, that's news.  Before 1975 the speed limit on Texas highways : was 75.  The speed limit on the New Jersey Turnpike (I-95) was 70. There : were no speed limits in Nevada or Montana.  : >east becoming hidden by trees after about 1,000 ft and continued to the : >left strait north. I wanted to turn north, checked the south lane, rolled  :       "straight".  s-t-r-a-i-g-h-t 
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: free moral agency Organization: sgi Lines: 16 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com  In article <C5v09t.1Dq@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes:  |>  |> Okay all humans are direct descendents of of a bunch of hopeful |> monsters. The human race didn't evolve from one set parents, but from |> thousands. Do you really base your atheist on -this-?   In article <C5v0zp.1Dq@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes: |> |> Truly a brilliant rebuttal. Apparently you are of the opinion that |> ridicule is a suitable substitute for reason; you'll find plenty of |> company a.a  Bill Conner, meet Bill Conner.  jon.
From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) Subject: Re: Long distance IR detection Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network Distribution: na Lines: 25  jvannes@vms.macc.wisc.edu writes:   >You are probably referring to the products of >		 >		Opto Diode Corp. >		750 Mitchell Road >		Newbury Park Ca 91320 >		805 499-0335  >The make some amazing IRLED's.  The really high-powered devices are arrays of >3, 6, or 9, LED's on a TO-66 header.  The 9-chip model puts out 6.5 Watts in >response to a 5 Amp, 10 uS. pulse at a .5% duty cycle.  I think  these are >designed as illuminators for IR vision systems.  	Yeah! that's the guys!  >I would also be interested in the application here.  I work with a Dance and >Technology program, and want to build something to track dancers on a 30 foot >wide stage from 50 feet away.  	Yeah, that sounds a lot like lasertag anyway....  :-)  Duane 
From: mlipsie@rdm09.std.com (Mike Lipsie MPU) Subject: Re: ATM Organization: Mitsubishi Electric Research Laboratories, Inc. Lines: 27  In article <1r1jq4$af5@network.ucsd.edu> adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes: > >I've been reading, with much confusion, about whether or not to use >ATManager. Lately, all the packages I've been buying have all >included ATManager as a "bonus"  Adobe has been doing this for years.  >I do some desktop publishing using PageMaker and Coreldraw. >Coreldraw comes with a nifty laser disk that contains over 200 diff >types. Add that to the TTfonts that come with win31 and you have a >decent amount of fonts. I print my creations out on an HP4 >Postcript, at 600 dpi resolution with the "Resolution Enhancement  >Technology" and ..  well ... I get some darn good copies.  >So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned >on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these >better printer technologies ... and TT?  There are some fonts that are only available as PS fonts.  If you have a PS font that you want to use, use ATM.  Otherwise, it is a waste of system resources.  Personally, I use both.  --  Mike Lipsie                                (work) mlipsie@ca.merl.com Mitsubishi Electronic Research Laboratory  (home) mikel@dosbears.UUCP
From: khayash@hsc.usc.edu (Ken Hayashida) Subject: Re: Life on Mars??? Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu  In article <1993Apr26.184507.10511@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes: >I know it's only wishful thinking, with our current President, >but this is from last fall: > >     "Is there life on Mars?  Maybe not now.  But there will be." >        -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator, 24 August 1992 > >-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office >      kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov  (713) 483-4368  Lets hear it for Dan Goldin...now if he can only convince the rest of our federal government that the space program is a worth while investment!  I hope that I will live to see the day we walk on Mars, but we need to address the technical hurdles first!  If there's sufficient interest, maybe we should consider starting a sci.space group  devoted to the technical analysis of long-duration human spaceflight. Most of you regulars know that I'm interested in starting this analysis as soon as possible.  Ken khayash@hsc.usc.edu USC School of Medicine, Class of 1994 
From: liny@sun13.scri.fsu.edu (Nemo) Subject: Bates Method for Myopia Reply-To: lin@ray.met.fsu.edu Distribution: na Organization: SCRI, Florida State University Lines: 22  Does the Bates method work?  I first heard about it in this newsgroup  several years ago, and I have just got hold of a book, "How to improve your sight - simple daily drills in relaxation", by Margaret D. Corbett,  ('Authorized instructor of the Bates method), published in 1953.  It  talks about vision improvement by relaxation and exercise.  Has there been any study on whether this method actually works?  If it works, is it by  actually shortening the previously elongated eyeball, or by increasing  the lens's ability to flatten itself in order to compensate for the  too-long eyeball?  Since myopia is the result of eyeball elongation, seems to me the most logical approach for correction is to find a way to reverse the process, i.e., shorten it somehow (preferably non-surgically).  Has there been any recent studies on this?  Where can I find them?  I know RK works by  changing the curvature of the cornea to compensate for the shape of  eyeball, but if there is a way to train the muscles to shorten the  eyeball back to its correct length that would be even better (Bates's  idea, right?)  Thanks for any information.  
Subject: Re: Broken rib From: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C. Keywords: advice needed Summary: thanx for the comeback Lines: 7  Hello , I think you are probaly right, in spite of the movement it is getting better each day.  cheers             jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross)      The Old Frog's Almanac  (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group)     (604) 245-3205 (v32)    <Public Access UseNet>    (604) 245-4366 (2400x4)         Vancouver Island, British Columbia    Waffle XENIX 1.64  
From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) Subject: Re: Annual inguinal hernia repair Organization: Gastroenterology - Univ. of Alabama Lines: 16  In article <jpc.735692207@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov>, jpc@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov (J. Porter Clark) wrote: [synopsis] Young man with inguianl hernia on one side, repaired, now has new hernia on other side.  What gives, he asks?  [and he continues...]  > Of course, my wife thinks it's from sitting for long periods of time at > the computer, reading news...  There is the possibility that there is some degree of constipation causing chronic straining which has caused the bowel movements.  The classic  problems that are supposed to be looked for in someone with a hernia are constipation, chronic cough, colon cancer (and you're not too young for that) and sitting for long periods of time at the computer, reading news.  Good Luck with your surgery!  Steve Holland
From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Subject: Re: Great Post! (was Re: Candida (yeast) Bloom...) (VERY LONG) Summary: How virtually? Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu  -*----- In article <noringC5wzM4.41n@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: >> ... if you can't observe or culture the yeast "bloom" in the >> gut or sinus, then there's no way to diagnose or even recognize >> the disease.  And I know they realize that it is virtually >> impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body  >> that cannot be easily observed since candida is everywhere in  >> the body.  In article <C5y5nM.Axv@toads.pgh.pa.us> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: > You've just discovered one of the requirements for a good quack theory. > Find something that no one can *disprove* and then write a book saying > it is the cause of whatever.  Since no one can disprove it, you can > rake in the bucks for quite some time.    I hope Gordon Banks did not mean to imply that notions such as hard-to-see candida infections causing various problems should not be investigated.  Many researchers have made breakthroughs by  figuring out how to investigate things that were previously thought "virtually impossible to test for."  Indeed, I would be surprised if "candida overbloom" were such a phenomena.  I would think that candida would produce signature byproducts whose measure would then set a lower bound on the  extent of recent infection.  I realize this might get quite  tricky and difficult, probably expensive, and likely inconvenient or uncomfortable to the subjects, but that is not the same as  "virtually impossible."  Russell
From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Who Says the Apostles Were Tortured? Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 17  In article <1qiu97INNpq6@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) writes:   > > As evidence for the Resurrection, it is often claimed that the Disciples >were tortured to death for their beliefs and still did not renounce >their claim that Jesus had come back from the dead. > Now, I skimmed Acts and such, and I found a reference to this happening >to Stephen, but no others. Where does this apparently very widely held >belief come from? Is there any evidence outside the Bible? Is there any >evidence *in* the Bible? I sure haven't found any... >   Early authors and legends. The most important sources can be found in the Martyriologia of the Catholic Church. Makes the Grimms look like exact science.    Benedikt
From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) Subject: Re: Waco "Inside Story" (AP) (Was Re: ATF BURNS....) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 24 Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu   In a previous article, dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung) says:  > >Dear, dear.  They could have COME OUT.        So could the defenders in the Alamo.  You're clearly missing the      point here.  Typically, I might add.       If it were me, I doubt that *I* would have come out.       BATF show up, start shooting at me, etc.  Then they paint me      a child-molesting murdering fanatic, call up TANKS, hundreds      of automatic-armed goons.  Restrict press access to two miles      away.         Come on.  If I can watch pictures of burned women and children      in Bosnia on CNN, why am I being limited to a two-mile-away      replay of a fire in Waco?  Huh?  Answer me that.    
From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 10  In article <1r10jcINNt1g@lynx.unm.edu> cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu (Chris Faehl) writes:   >> Correction: _hard_ atheism is a faith. > >Yes. >   Can be a faith. Like weak atheism. We had that before.    Benedikt
From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated Lines: 17  In article <1993Apr6.141557.8864@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >Anyways, crawl back into the hole you crawled out of...the NBA doesn't >care where they get basketball players from, major league baseball >doesn't give a damn where they get baseball players from (except Cuba, >that is).  MLB is perfectly willing to take players from Cuba.  They just have to defect first.    Sort of like the situation used to be with Russian/Czech/etc hockey players, until the political situation in those countries changed.  Sherri Nichols snichols@adobe.com   
From: gt7187c@prism.gatech.EDU (Thomas Oates) Subject: MS-DOS 6.0 FOR SALE Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 17  FOR SALE  MS-DOS 6.0 UPGRADE  open but unregistered 3.5" disks  $40 or best offer  Please mail replies to gt7187c@prism.gatech.edu   --  Thomas Oates                              ATLANTA BRAVES gt7187c@prism.gatech.edu          1992 NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS Prodigy NGDR20A                      "Can't stop the chop!!!"  Georgia Institute of Technology 
From: un026300@wvnvms.wvnet.edu Subject: Re: How to beat the Pens Organization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing Lines: 6   	You can't.  But good luck trying.  	Jim  
From: st1pb@elroy.uh.edu (Burris, Dean E.) Subject: PCTools for Windows demo Organization: University of Houston Lines: 6 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: elroy.uh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41      If someone has downloaded the PCTools demo from Compuserve, please upload it to CICA or other FTP site.  Thanks, Dean ST1PB@Elroy.uh.edu
From: ghm@sserve.cc.adfa.oz.au (Geoff Miller) Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! Organization: Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra, Australia Lines: 18  jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:  >	Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. >	It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production >	would have to be local. There are not all that many people >	who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile >	firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could >	obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and >	average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would >	pay through the nose for it.   So why did the Australian Customs Service make a public statement to a parliamentary committee last year that weapons smuggling was a problem which it was not able to control?  Possibly criminals don't have your  grasp of economics?  Geoff Miller  (g-miller@adfa.edu.au) Computer Centre, Australian Defence Force Academy
From: littlejs@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Jeffrey S Little) Subject: Re: Revelations - BABYLON? Reply-To: littlejs@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Jeffrey S Little) Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman Lines: 38  In article <Apr.21.03.25.41.1993.1322@geneva.rutgers.edu>   JBUDDENBERG@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Jimmy Buddenberg) writes: >  > Hello all.  We are doing a bible study (at my college) on Revelations.  We > have been doing pretty good as far as getting some sort of reasonable > interpretation.  We are now on chapters 17 and 18 which talk about the > woman on the beast and the fall of Babylon.  I believe the beast is the > Antichrist (some may differ but it seems obvious) and the woman represents > Babylon which stands for Rome or the Roman Catholic Church.  What are some > views on this interpretation?  Is the falling Babylon in chapter 18 the same > Babylon in as in chapter 17?  The Catholic church? > Hate to step on toes. > thanks  An interesting interpretation of Revelation 17 and 18 has been given by   evangelist David Wilkerson.  I am not saying that I totally agree with his   interpretation, but it is certainly believable and good food for thought.  He   interprets the Babylon of Revelation 17-18 as being none other than the good   old U. S. of A.  That's right, America.  He supports his claim in several ways.    The Babylon of Revelation is THE world leader in trade and commerce, and the   WHOLE WORLD wept when Babylon fell.  The American dollar, despite the Japanese   success of the 20th century, is STILL the most sought after currency in the   world.  If the U.S. were destroyed, wouldn't the whole world mourn?  The bible   also talks about Babylon being a home of harlots, sin, and adultery (I am   paraphrasing, of course).  Babylon's sin affected, or should I say, infected,   the whole world.  It doesn't take much looking to see that the U.S. is in a   state of moral decay.  Hasn't the American culture and Hollywood spread the "do   it if it feels good" mentality all over the world.  I think, though, that what   Mr. Wilkerson uses as his strongest argument is the fact that Revelation calls   Babylon "Babylon the Great" and portrays it as the most powerful nation on   earth.  No matter how dissatisfied you are with the state of our country, I   don't think you would have too much trouble agreeing that the U.S. is STILL the   most powerful nation on earth.  Again, this interpretation is not NECESSARILY my own, but I do find it worthy   of consideration.  Jeffrey Little
From: jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Jeff Mason) Subject: AUCTION: Marvel, DC, Valiant, Image, Dark Horse, etc... Organization: Univ. of Florida Psychology Dept. Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: elm.circa.ufl.edu  I am auctioning off the following comics.  These minimum bids are set below what I would normally sell them for.  Make an offer, and I will accept the highest bid after the auction has been completed.  TITLE                                                   Minimum/Current  -------------------------------------------------------------- Alpha Flight 51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel)	$ 5.00 Aliens 1 (1st app Aliens in comics, 1st prnt, May 1988)	$20.00 Amazing Spider-Man 136 (Intro new Green Goblin)         $20.00 Amazing Spider-Man 238 (1st appearance Hobgoblin)	$50.00 Archer and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller/Smith/Layton)	$ 7.50 Avengers 263 (1st appearance X-factor)                  $ 3.50 Bloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover/Poster)	$ 5.00 Daredevil 158 (Frank Miller art begins)                 $35.00 Dark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing)	$ 7.50  H.A.R.D. Corps 1 					$ 5.00 Incredible Hulk 324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1, 1962)	$ 7.50 Incredible Hulk 330 (1st McFarlane issue)		$15.00 Incredible Hulk 331 (Grey Hulk series begins)		$11.20	 Incredible Hulk 367 (1st Dale Keown art in Hulk)        $15.00 Incredible Hulk 377 (1st all new hulk, 1st prnt, Keown) $15.00 Marvel Comics Presents 1 (Wolverine, Silver Surfer)     $ 7.50 Maxx Limited Ashcan (4000 copies exist, blue cover)	$30.00 New Mutants 86 (McFarlane cover, 1st app Cable - cameo)	$10.00 New Mutants 100 (1st app X-Force)                       $ 5.00 New Mutants Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants)	$10.00 Omega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo)                       $ 7.50 Omega Men 10 (1st full Lobo story)                      $ 7.50 Power Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth)    $25.00                       84 (4th appearance Sabretooth)    $20.00 Simpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.)	$ 7.50 Spectacular Spider-Man 147 (1st app New Hobgoblin)      $12.50 Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini)     $ 7.50 Star Trek the Next Generation 1 (Oct 1989, DC comics)   $ 7.50 Web of Spider-Man 29 (Hobgoblin, Wolverine appear)      $10.00  Web of Spider-Man 30 (Origin Rose, Hobgoblin appears)   $ 7.50 Wolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth)	$15.00 Wolverine 41 (Sabretooth claims to be Wolverine's dad)	$ 5.00 Wolverine 42 (Sabretooth proven not to be his dad)	$ 3.50 Wolverine 43 (Sabretooth/Wolverine saga concludes)	$ 3.00 Wolverine 1 (1982 mini-series, Miller art)		$20.00 Wonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man)                 $12.50 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card)     $20.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $10.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Deadpool card)    $10.00 X-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Sunspot/Gideon)   $10.00  All comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny  polypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards.  Shipping is $1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order  a large enough amount of stuff.  I am willing to haggle.  I have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what  you've been looking for, and maybe I can help.  Some titles I have posted here don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space. --  Geoffrey R. Mason		|	jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu Department of Psychology	|	mason@webb.psych.ufl.edu University of Florida		|	prothan@maple.circa.ufl.edu
From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics Lines: 66   James Hogan writes:  timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: >>Jim Hogan quips:  >>... (summary of Jim's stuff)  >>Jim, I'm afraid _you've_ missed the point.  >>>Thus, I think you'll have to admit that  atheists have a lot >>more up their sleeve than you might have suspected.  >>Nah.  I will encourage people to learn about atheism to see how little atheists >>have up their sleeves.  Whatever I might have suspected is actually quite >>meager.  If you want I'll send them your address to learn less about your >>faith.  >Faith?  Yeah, do you expect people to read the FAQ, etc. and actually accept hard atheism?  No, you need a little leap of faith, Jimmy.  Your logic runs out of steam!  >>>Fine, but why do these people shoot themselves in the foot and mock >>>the idea of a God?  ....  >>>I hope you understand now.  >>Yes, Jim.  I do understand now.  Thank you for providing some healthy sarcasm >>that would have dispelled any sympathies I would have had for your faith.  >Bake,  >Real glad you detected the sarcasm angle, but am really bummin' that >I won't be getting any of your sympathy.  Still, if your inclined >to have sympathy for somebody's *faith*, you might try one of the >religion newsgroups.  >Just be careful over there, though. (make believe I'm >whispering in your ear here)  They're all delusional!  Jim,  Sorry I can't pity you, Jim.  And I'm sorry that you have these feelings of denial about the faith you need to get by.  Oh well, just pretend that it will all end happily ever after anyway.  Maybe if you start a new newsgroup, alt.atheist.hard, you won't be bummin' so much?  >Good job, Jim. >.  >Bye, Bake.   >>[more slim-Jim (tm) deleted]  >Bye, Bake! >Bye, Bye!  Bye-Bye, Big Jim.  Don't forget your Flintstone's Chewables!  :)  -- Bake Timmons, III  -- "...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life than some good memory..." -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky)
From: jimb@hpindda.cup.hp.com (James Bruder) Subject: Re: Vibration when brakes are applied Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA Lines: 7  Hi Javier, (how are things at Corp, my old stomping ground was c-level?) Vibration when applying the brakes can be caused, on disc brakes at least, by warped rotors. When the brakes are applied, there results uneven pressure on the rotor.  Turning the rotors by a brake shop will remedy this problem as long as there is enough rotor width left for turning (i.e. within spec). There could be some possible front end suspension problem but a brake shop should be able to confirm warped rotors by a visual inspection which is free.
From: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips) Subject: Randy Weaver Trial - Day 2  Nntp-Posting-Host: hound Reply-To: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com Organization: "Intergraph Electronics, Mountain View, CA" Distribution: usa Lines: 89  This was posted to the firearms-politics mailing list. ============================================================== Hi Folks;  Wednesday marked day 2, the beginning of the trial.  Opening statements were given by both the prosecution and the defense, each side presenting its version of what happenned last August.  The prosecution argued that Weaver and his family moved to Idaho in 1983 anticipating a battle with the "evil" federal government.  The prosecution alleges that Weaver sold federal agents "sawed off" shotguns and later failed to appear for trial: Despite repeated "good faith" efforts to get Weaver to surrender peacefully, Weaver refused.  The shootout erupted when Weaver discovered agents on a surveillance mission and began firing.  According to the prosecution, three people were taking an "offensive action" against an FBI helicopter when an FBI sniper killed Vicki Weaver.  The defense argued that Weaver and his family moved to northern Idaho in 1983 to practice their religion in peace.  They wanted simply to be left alone.  Weaver was induced by federal agents to sell the short-barrelled shotgun (and did not, as the prosecution alleged, want to become a "regular supplier").  The defense also argued that the federal government sought to arrest Weaver when he wouldn't become an informant [it is not specified explicitly, but I assume that this is a reference to the white separatist angle of the story.  We'll know more as things develop].  The failure to appear in court happenned because Weaver was given an incorrect court date and then indicted before that date. The shootout occurred when federal agent Arthur Roderick killed Weaver's dog that was in proximity to Weaver's son, Samuel.  Weaver then fired in self-defense.  In the ensuing battle, federal agent William Degan was killed (when his gun was later found, there were 7 .223 cases nearby and the gun was on semi-automatic: However, agents were near the body for an extended period of time and could have played with the select-fire - this will have to be more fully explained).  Finally, the defense claims that Vicki Weaver was only going to "look at the body" [not recover?] of her son when she was cut-down by an FBI sniper.  Prosecution quote: "Weaver wanted that confrontation, and he made that confrontation." -- Asst. U.S. Attorney Kim Lindquist  Defense quote: "The evidence in this case is going to show that this is a case where Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris are charged with crimes they didn't commit in order to cover crimes that the government did commit."  -- Gerry Spence  [nice soundbite!]  Notes: The _Idaho Statesman_ claims that Weaver supporters heeded a call from Spence not to repeat yesterday's protests outside the courthouse.  However, the local NBC affiliate again had footage on the 10:00 news with 5 supporters including "Tim" again.  "Tim" claimed he was a skinhead, who were "ordinary, working class people."  He also claimed he was for "white pride, not white power."  Outside the courthouse the television crew had an impromptu interview with Bo Gritz, who charged that the neo-nazi protestors are exactly what the government wants to smear Randy Weaver.  In an affiliated article carried in the _Idaho Statesman_, about a dozen lawyers were among the 70 or so people packed into the courthouse.  These lawyers were present to watch Gerry Spence in action, and to perhaps learn something from him.  Some tidbits: Spence flatly told the jurors that he and his son Kent were volunteering their time to represent Weaver because they believed in him.  Spence, during his 90-minute opening statement, repeatedly walked behind Weaver and placed his hands on the defendants shoulders (Weaver broke down and cried during the recounting of his wife's death), and Spence compared the "sawed off" shotgun to driving 56 mph when the limit was 55 (another good one!).  Today (Thursday, April 15th) the prosecution was scheduled to begin presenting evidence.  Drew =============================================================   --  ************************************************************** * Ron Phillips               crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com * * Senior Customer Engineer                                   * * Intergraph Electronics                                     * * 381 East Evelyn Avenue               VOICE: (415) 691-6473 * * Mountain View, CA 94041              FAX:   (415) 691-0350 * **************************************************************
From: brian@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Brian Donnell) Subject: Re: Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help! Nntp-Posting-Host: hotspare.arc.nasa.gov Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division Distribution: usa Lines: 9  I don't know about where you are, but here in California false representation of odometer readings is a criminal felony. If you can substantiate this, you need to report that dealer to the local authorities. You should consult with a lawyer to tell you what civil action you can take as well. Keep in mind that you will have to prove that the dealer was aware of the change in the dashboard.  Brian Donnell
From: brettw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Brett D. Watson) Subject: Which sound board to buy? Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 28 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu    Well, I've come into some money and want to buy CD-ROM, sound board and speakers.  I have not kept up on any material relating to sound boards and CD-ROM's because until now I never thought I'd have enough money.      So can you guru's out there point me in the direction of a good package including CD-ROM, sound, and speakers (and software I suppose)... OR since I don't REALLY need the CD-ROM right now give me some good ideas for sound boards and speakers.  Those I could REALLY use now.  I have looked at SoundBlaster Pro, which costs about as much as I think I want to spend on a board (~$120), and I've looked at the Gravis Sound board, which is about $140 and I don't know the adv/disadv of either of these boards.      Right now I want to use it with any games that support sound, and to use in Windows 3.1 to utilize sound capabilities there.  So any concise info on sound boards, complete multimedia packages, etc would be greatly appreciated.  If anyone else is interested in this info I would be glad to summarize responses and post.      And if this is some type of FAQ please point me in the right direction and don't bother taking up a lot of bandwidth.  Thanks!  -=- Brett --  Brett Watson, Database/System Administrator Kansas Supreme Court - Topeka, KS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: hbloom@moose.uvm.edu (*Heather*) Subject: re: earwax Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility Lines: 20  Hi Stephen Ear wax is a healthy way to help prevent ear infections, both by preventing a barrier and also with some antibiotic properties.  Too much can block the external auditory canal (the hole in the outside of the ear) and cause some  hearing problems.  It is very simple, and safe, to remove excess wax on your own, or at your physician's office.  You can take a syringe (no needles!) and fill it with 50% warm water (cold can cause fainting) and 50% OTC hydrogen peroxide.  Then point the ear towards the ceiling ( about 45 degrees up) and insert the tip of the syringe (helps to have someone else do this!) and   firmly expell the solution.  Depending on the size of the syringe and the tenacity of the wax, this could take several rinses.  If you place a bowl  under the ear to catch the water, it will be much drier :-).  You can buy a syringe with a special tip at your local pharmacy, or just use whatever you may have.  If wax is old, it will be harder, and darker.  You can try adding a few drops of olive oil into the ear during a shower to soften up the wax.  Do this for a couple days, then try syringing again.  It is also safe to point your ear up at the shower head, and allow the water to rinse it out. Good Luck -heather
From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. Article-I.D.: zeus.1993Apr22.003719.101323 Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo Lines: 32  prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Pontificated:  > > >Some birds require constant management for survival.  Pointing a sensor at >the sun, even when powered down, may burn it out.  Pointing a >parabolic antenna  at Sol,  from venus orbit  may trash the >foci  elements. > What I was getting at in my post is whether or not it might be possible to put enough brains on board future deep-space probes for them to automatically avoid such things as looking at the sun or going into an uncontrolled tumble.    I heard once that the voyagers had a failsafe routine built in that essentially says "If you never hear from Earth again, here's what to do."  This was a back up in the event a receiver burnt out but the probe could still send data (limited, but still some data).    >Even if you let teh bird drift,  it may  get hosed by some >cosmic phenomena.    > Since this would be a shutdown that may never be refunded for startup, if some type of cosmic BEM took out the probe, it might not be such a big loss.  Obviously you can't plan for everything, but the most obvious things can be considered.   /~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\  | "I know you believe you understand what it is that you        |    | think I said.  But I am not sure that you realize that        | | what I said is not what I meant."                             |
From: relova@unixg.ubc.ca (Michael A Relova) Subject: Re: WinFax files in ASCII format? Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca  In <ZHAO.93May14123957@sparta.nmsu.edu> zhao@nmsu.edu (Z. Zhao) writes:   >Currently, we are using WinFax software to receive/send fax on our >PCs. It works pretty well. The problem is that all received files are >in bit map format, which take lots of HD space. I have been told there >is some programs that can do pattern recognition of the raster >                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >characters in fax-in files and translate them into ASCII code, then >store the file in ASCII format.  >Would you like to tell me >	(1) whether or not there is such software package to do such > 	    translation?  >	(2) if there is one, where can I find it? >	(3) is any such software package on public domain?  What version of WinFAX do you have?  The newest version (3.0) has an OCR (Optical Character Recognition) built in... what this means is that it can take a fax (ie, a letter) and convert it into ASCII so that one can edit the document w/o re-typing it... However, I found that the OCR that comes packaged with WINFAX does not work as well as OMNIpage Professional (also by Delrina software)... So, once again, WinFAX ver. 3.0 has what you are looking for... Good luck!  >Regards,  >ZiZi
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 38  [reply to frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)]   >>I'm one of those people who does not know what the word objective means >>when put next to the word morality.  I assume its an idiom and cannot >>be defined by its separate terms.   >>Give it a try.   >Objective morality is morality built from objective values.   From A Dictionary of Philosophy, by Anthony Flew:   "Objectivism:  The belief that there are certain moral truths that would remain true whatever anyone or everyone thought or desired.  For instance, 'No one should ever deliberately inflict pain on another simply to take pleasure in his suffering' might be thought of as a plausible example.  Even in a world of sadists who all rejected it, the contention remains true, just as '5 + 7 = 12' remains correct even if there is no one left to count.  The problem for the objectivist is to determine the status of moral truths and the method by which they can be established.  If we accept that such judgements are not reports of what is but only relate to what ought to be (see naturalistic fallacy) then they cannot be proved by any facts about the nature of the world.  Nor can they be analytic, since this would involve lack of action-guiding content;  'One ought always to do the right thing' is plainly true in virtue of the vords involved but it is unhelpful as a practical guide to action (see analytic and synthetic).  At this point the objectivist may talk of 'self-evident truths', but can he deny the subjectivist's claim that self-evidence is in the mind of the beholder?  If not, what is left of the claim that some moral judgements are true?  THe subjectivist may well feel that all that remains is that there are some moral judgements with which he would wish to associate himself.  To hold a moral opinion is, he suggests, not to know something to be true but to have preferences regarding human activity."   David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu).  Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell
From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) Subject: Re: what is the deal with "blue-book" value of an auto? Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 38  newton@convex.com (Vicki Newton) writes:  >i am in the process of buying a new auto.  i haven't decided yet whether >i should sell my current car myself or trade it in as part of the new >auto purchase.  >i know that the "blue book" value for the car is $2825.  an acquaintence >has offered to give me blue book value for the car.  i am just wondering >if this is a standard measure for negotiating a resale price or if i >can hope to get more money from someone else.  what exactly is blue book >value based on?  i know that for its year (88) my car has low mileage >(< 50,000).  it is in excellent working condition but does have a few >dings on the exterior (nothing major).  do any of these facts alter the >fair selling p[rice of the car?  i am not looking to rip anyone off, i >just naturally want to get the best price for the car.  >thanks a million, >veek  	I think the Blue Book is the NADA handbook for used car prices, no? 	Is the Blue Book value given the retail or wholesale value???  The  	Blue Book value isn't set in stone, though.  Low milage, extra addons 	and stuff like that there can increase the resale price of the car, you 	may want to head on over to the local library or borrow your friends 	Blue Book and read up on that sort of stuff.  I paid ~$400 under BB 	(retail) for my '87 Civic in 1990, and it was in perfect condition and 	had only ~14.5K miles on it.  The guy was desparate to sell, new kid on 	the way, etc., but it was a good price.  Remeber, both you and the  	buyer, if he has any sort of brains at all, are using the Blue Book, so 	you should pick a fair price.     				Chintan Amin 				llama@uiuc.edu  --  Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu *******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********
From: psb@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jr Phillip S Buckland) Subject: Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart..." Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 168  [DISCLAIMER: Throughout this post, there are statements and questions which could easily be interpreted as being sarcastic.  They are not.  I have written this reply in the most even-handed manner that I can, with no emotions boiling to the surface as it was written.  Please accept this as a serious attempt to foster dialog and rest assurred that I make every attempt to make fun of no one, except myself ;-)]  gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes:  >Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame >start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience.  [...]  >1) The human being is an _animal_ who has, due to his/her advanced >mental facilities, developed religious as a satisfiable solution to >explain the unexplainable. [...]  	Hmmm.  There are other animals on this planet with advanced 	mental facilities which have not developed "religion" as a 	satisfactory explaination for the unexplained.  Why is this so?  	Further, it appears that only humans have a "need" to explain the 	unexplained.  Why is this so?  The other animals on this planet, 	including those with advanced mental facilities, seem perfectly 	content in their ignorance.  	I'd like to point out that your presuppositions scream out at me 	from your unsupported statement.  They are: 1) humans are animal 	*only*; 2) religion exists as a crutch so that the unexplained need 	not be researched; 3) religion was "made up" by humans to address a 	perceived need; 4) the biological aspect of humans is deified (that 	is, all aspects of human life can be categorized in a hierarchical 	structure with biology at the apex).  	Needless to say, I disagree with your strong opinion #1 and the 	underlying presuppositions.  >Christianity is an infectious cult.  The reasons it flourishes are  >because 1) it gives people without hope or driven purpose in life >a safety blanked to hide behind.  "Oh wow..all i have to do is  >follow this christian moral standard and I get eternal happiness." >For all of you "found jeezus" , how many of you were "on the brink?"  	I disagree that Christianity is "an infectious cult".  It has 	certainly shown itself to be persistent as a belief system, in 	spite of various persecutions throughout the past two millenia. 	That it continues to persevere does not demonstrate that it is 	"infectious" in a derrogatory sense; it may be that it provides 	a workable system for its adherents (and I would argue that this 	is the case).  	I disagree that Christianity is "a safety blanket" which supplants 	hope and purpose.  Rather, it points an individual to the one 	Source of hope and purpose.  There is nothing hidden about a 	Christian's source for hope and purpose.  Of what usefulness to 	you is the distinction between internally motivated hope and purpose 	and externally given hope and purpose?  Is the (apparent) loss of 	control over one's own life the problem or is it something else?  	Finally, one does not appropriate "eternal happiness" by following 	Christian moral standards.  Indeed, the sole reason for the existance 	of Christianity is *because* standards are inadequate to save people 	from their imperfections.  Moral standards are merely guides to the 	Christian; the real power to moral living is given to the Christian 	in the Person of God's Spirit.  	Heaven is one of two final states that 	Christian doctrine postulates.  However, Christians are generally 	not motivated to live according to Christian moral standards by this 	promised future reward; rather, they are motivated by the perceived 	benefits to them in the here-and-now.  >but i digress...   The other reason christianity flourishes is its >infectious nature.  A best friend of mine breifly entered a christian >group and within months, they set ministry guidelines for him which >basicaly said this -->Priority #1 Spread the Word.  	Many Christian organizations are concerned with evangelism as a 	priority, and rightly so (for it was Jesus Himself who gave this 	as a priority for His followers).  However, it is not the penultimate 	priority as evangelism is normally understood (i.e. preach the word, 	convert at nearly any cost, repeat with new convert ad infinitum). 	Rather, such evangelism is generally best done through respecting 	the opinions of others while *demonstrating* the very real benefits 	of a Christian lifestyle.  This demonstration should be so powerful 	that it compels the non-Christian to seek out the Christian to ask 	"Why?"  Needless to say, such a demonstration is not easily accom- 	plished (it takes a radical committment to the person of Jesus), it 	does not happen quickly (so perseverance on the part of the Christian 	is required), and it cannot occur where no personal bonds of 	friendship exist (it is ineffective with strangers who cannot 	evaluate the demonstration over time, and it is easy to alienate or 	harm others if the sole purpose of being a "friend" is to gain a 	conversion).  	As a long-time Christian (nearly 20 years), I view with some skep- 	ticism *all* evangelism programs which incorporate a "hurry-up" 	attitude.  Pressured conversions may ultimately be worse than no 	conversion at all (because the pressured convert realizes s/he was 	coerced and disavows Christianity when they would have been open 	to it in the future had they not been taken advantage of now). 	The Bible states that it is the very Spirit of God which brings 	conviction of wrong-doing to people.  I am content to do my part 	(witness) and let the Spirit do the rest.  >We are _just_ animals.  We need sleep, food, and we reproduce.  And we >die.        	We are far more than animals.  We sleep, eat, reproduce, and die 	just as other animals do - true.  But, we are also capable of more 	than this.  If your personal vision of humanity (or of yourself) is 	so limited, I can only hope and pray ;-) that you will someday find 	a more expansive view.  	(For reflection, what animals have the wide variety of performing 	arts that humans do?  How is it that humans can learn the language 	of other humans (or animals) but that other animals cannot do so? 	How is it that humans can organize themselves in various social 	structures whereas other animals have only one structure?)  >Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG.  	Blatant assertion.  Christianity is not physically addictive. 	Christianity is not psychologically addictive.  Christianity is not 	a *thing* which one snorts/ingests/shoots-up; it is a relationship 	with a living being.  You might as validly characterize any close- 	knit relationship with this appelation.  >Some people use drugs as an escape from reality.  Christians inject >themselves with jeezus and live with that high.   	There are "Jesus freaks" who let the emotional aspects of worship 	and Christian living gain (and retain) the upper hand.  Even so, 	this does not by itself invalidate the foundation from which these 	things flow.  >It pities me how many millions of lives have been lost in religious >wars, of which Christianity has had no small part.  	Guilty by association?  That "christianity" which forces itself 	upon another is not Christianity at all.  >When Christians see a "non-believer", they say that person is blind >to the truth, but they cannot realize that it is _they_ who live >with this mask of fakeness each day.  Jesus was just prophet #37696  >who happened to have a large influence because at that time the Romans >were (circa 69ad) dispersing the Jewish population and communities >needed some sort of cohesive element to keep them strong in that time >of dire need.  	You appear to have an amazing certainty about what really happened 	2000 years ago.  How did you come by it?  	I cannot accept your conclusion that Jesus' influence was a sole 	result of the Roman sack of Jerusalem in 70AD.  He was 30+ years 	gone by this time.  It strains the bounds of credulity to assert 	that nothing about Jesus' life was noteworthy _until_ the sack.  >I must go.  These are but a few of my thoughts on Christianity.  	Christianity is having a relationship with Jesus Christ Himself. 	What do you know of Him?   We read the world wrong		| Phil Buckland and say that it deceives us.	| psb@eece.ksu.edu Tagore, from Stray Birds	| psb@matt.ksu.ksu.edu
From: daveshao@leland.stanford.edu (David Shao) Subject: Divorce Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 72  I deleted much of the following article in order to discuss the  specific issue of whether it is acceptable to divorce.    In article <May.7.01.10.03.1993.14583@athos.rutgers.edu> crs@carson.u.washington.edu (Cliff Slaughterbeck) writes: > >Along the way, she was married, happily, to a wonderful and >supportive husband and gave birth to two sons.  Still, everything was not >perfect for Jane, since she could never open up the deepest part of her >soul to her husband.  She always found that she could be much closer to >her women friends than to her husband, as good and loing as a husband as >he might be.  She struggled very much with this until at the age of 38, she >decided that she was a lesbian.  When she came home to announce this  >understanding of herself, her husband told her that he had come to the same >understanding several years before and was waiting for her to come to that >realization in her own time.  Her children ages 9 and 11 at the time were >also extremely supportive of her.  As the youngest put it, "that just  >means that you love people very much."  Jane and her husband agreed to >divorce but remain friends and still consider each other as part of the >extended family to this day.  >One of the interesting things that Jane said in this whole discussion was >"Homosexuality is not about what goes on in the bedroom."  She found that >she was much more able to have a deep, committed relationship with a woman >than a man.  Sex, in her mind, is only a part of the whole relationship. >The key thing is how one interconnects with other people.  She made a >specific point to say that it was not that she had never met a good man, >since she was married to a wonderful man for a dozen years.  (Take a few >seconds and honestly ponder that thought and it's implications!!!)  I have thought about the implications, and it is scary.    We have a whole generation of families broken up because some men have  decided that is is okay to leave their wives and children for the thrill of a younger, more attractive woman.  If we accept that it is legitimate for Jane to have divorced, how can we not accept anyone's decision to divorce because he has found someone with whom he can have a more "deep, committed relationship."  Marriage is not a state of being, it is a mutual journey in life. Love is not a passive feeling, it must be actively willed.  Is it acceptable for an older executive to dump his wife of many  years who stayed home to care for the children because he can't be happy sexually unless he is with a beautiful young blonde?  The real solution for both in the couple to make a renewed effort.    Hold fast to the faith.  Has not the Lord repeatedly compared His relation to His people as a faithful and enduring husband?  We learn something very deep and very mystical when we marry and remain faithful through times of trial.  My spouse has a brain tumor that has left her partially paralyzed. If it were to resume growing (it is in remission, thanks be to God!) then perhaps the time would come when we could not have sexual relations.  That's life...the Lord would certainly not give me permission to seek someone else to satisfy my "needs."    The idea that it is alright to divorce if a couple "grows apart" seems to me to lead to such a monstrous destruction of the meaning of marriage that I feel we must make every effort to avoid any hint of compromise.  We have become so petty and small-minded that some husbands are threatening to divorce their wives unless the wives lose weight!  I praise the Lord for guiding me to marry my wife.  She married me anyway despite the possibility that I could have a terrible illness. And it turned out that she was the one with the brain tumor, but had I known I wouldn't have cared either.  And maybe I'll be in a car accident tomorrow and become paralyzed from the neck down. A married couple should deal with these situations with the help of the Lord, not divorce and run away from them.
From: vincent@garnet.berkeley.edu (Vincent J. Lee) Subject: Wanted center channel. Pref Infinity or Polk Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 4 Distribution: ba NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu    I'm interested in a center channel for my home theater. If yu have one  and would be interested in selling one please let me know. Thanks. Prefer ably an Infinity or Polk Audio. 
From: perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) Subject: Re: Is Morality Constant (was Re: Biblical Rape) Organization: Decision Support Inc. Lines: 87 NNTP-Posting-Host: bozo.dsinc.com  This response originally fell into a bit bucket.  I'm reposting it just so Bill doesn't think I'm ignoring him.  In article <C4w5pv.JxD@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes: >Jim Perry (perry@dsinc.com) wrote: > >[Some stuff about Biblical morality, though Bill's quote of me had little > to do with what he goes on to say]  Bill,  I'm sorry to have been busy lately and only just be getting around to this.  Apparently you have some fundamental confusions about atheism; I think many of these are well addressed in the famous FAQ.  Your generalisms are then misplaced -- atheism needn't imply materialism, or the lack of an absolute moral system.  However, I do tend to materialism and don't believe in absolute morality, so I'll answer your questions.  >How then can an atheist judge value?   An atheist judges value in the same way that a theist does: according to a personal understanding of morality.  That I don't believe in an absolute one doesn't mean that I don't have one.  I'm just explicit, as in the line of postings you followed up, that when I express judgment on a moral issue I am basing my judgment on my own code rather than claiming that it is in some absolute sense good or bad. My moral code is not particular different from that of others around me, be they Christians, Muslims, or atheists.  So when I say that I object to genocide, I'm not expressing anything particularly out of line with what my society holds.  If your were to ask why I think morality exists and has the form it does, my answer would be mechanistic to your taste -- that a moral code is a prerequisite for a functioning society, and that humanity probably evolved morality as we know it as part of the evolution of our ability to exist in large societies, thereby achieving considerable survival advantages.  You'd probably say that God just made the rules.  Neither of us can convince the other, but we share a common understanding about many moral issues.  You think you get it from your religion, I think I get it (and you get it) from early childhood teaching.  >That you don't like what God told people to do says nothing about God >or God's commands, it says only that there was an electrical event in your >nervous system that created an emotional state that your mind coupled >with a pre-existing thought-set to form that reaction.   I think you've been reading the wrong sort of comic books, but in prying through the gobbledygook I basically agree with what you're saying.  I do believe that my mental reactions to stimuli such as "God commanded the genocide of the Canaanites" is mechanistic, but of course I think that's true of you as well.  My reaction has little to do with whether God exists or even with whether I think he does, but if a god existed who commanded genocide, I could not consider him good, which is supposedly an attribute of God.  >All of this being so, you have excluded >yourself from any discussion of values, right, wrong, goood, evil, >etc. and cannot participate. Your opinion about the Bible can have no >weight whatsoever.  Hmm.  Yes, I think some heavy FAQ-reading would do you some good.  I have as much place discussing values etc. as any other person.  In fact, I can actually accomplish something in such a discussion, by framing the questions in terms of reason: for instance, it is clear that in an environment where neighboring tribes periodically attempt to wipe each other out based on imagined divine commands, then the quality of life will be generally poor, so a system that fosters coexistence is superior, if quality of life is an agreed goal.  An absolutist, on the other hand, can only thump those portions of a Bible they happen to agree with, and say "this is good", even if the act in question is unequivocally bad by the standards of everyone in the discussion.  The attempt to define someone or a group of people as "excluded from discussion", such that they "cannot participate", and their opinions given "no weight whatsoever" is the lowest form or reasoning (ad hominem/poisoning the well), and presumably the resort of someone who can't rationally defend their own ideas of right, wrong, and the Bible. --  Jim Perry   perry@dsinc.com   Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC These are my opinions.  For a nominal fee, they can be yours.  --  Jim Perry   perry@dsinc.com   Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC These are my opinions.  For a nominal fee, they can be yours.
From: rogerh@Autodesk.COM (Roger Hupfauer) Subject: Re: Too fast Organization: Autodesk Inc., Sausalito CA, USA Lines: 24  dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: > In article <1qh61m$b6l@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: > > > >If the Mustang and/or SHO platform were designed for 130mph, it would > >come with better seatbelts, more supportive seats, a stronger > >passenger compartment cage, better brakes, a stiffer suspension, > >different tires, and a body design that takes advantage of aero > >effects to keep the car on the ground. >  > In other words, it'd be a 1993 RX7.      Yeah, and then we'd pay $30,000.  Go with a 5.0 LX Mustang.  Most bang for your  buck.       
From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/... Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago Lines: 27  In article <C5L2BC.C2x.1@cs.cmu.edu> rubinoff+@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Rubinoff) writes: >In article <93105.230230U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> <U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: >>Note that Bo Gritz was on the Populist party ticket with David >>Duke (for veep) in 1988 until he found out that Duke was leading >>he ticket, when he withdrew his candidacy.    That's a revisionist account of what happened.  Gritz was well-aware of Duke's presence on the ticket.  Given that Gritz is not at all shy about associating and promoting other white supremacists (such as the Christian Identity movement or Willis Carto), whatever reasons Gritz had to leave the ticket had nothing to do with Duke's presence.  >>So Gritz gave up his >>chance to be Vice President of the US just to aviod supporting >>Duke. > >I'd hardly call that "giving up his chance to be Vice President of the US"; >the chance of the Populist Party ticket winning is essentially nil.  Still, >it does imply that he doesn't want to be associated with Duke.  I believe Chip Berlet has a Populist Party newsletter from the time with a photo of Gritz happily shaking hands with Duke. --  ted frank                 |  thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu |         I'm sorry, the card says "Moops." the u of c law school     |  standard disclaimers      | 
From: steven.kipling@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Steven Kipling)  Subject: Re: #77's? Reply-To: steven.kipling@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Steven Kipling)  Distribution: world Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241 Lines: 27   -=> Quoting The Logistician to All <=-      TL> I am in need of all of the players wearing #77 in the NHL.  I know now  TL> only of one, Ray Borque for the Bruins.  Any help would be greatly  TL> appreciated.   TL> Thanx.          Hi there Logistician, is not Paul Coffey wearing       # 77 for the Detroit Red Wings?       That is the only other one (besides Borque) that I can think of       hope it helps.         Steve       ... WARNING!  Removal of this tagline prohibited by law! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12  
From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr19.130922.1 Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks Lines: 28 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu  In article <1993Apr19.144427.17399@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes: > Gene Wright (gene@theporch.raider.net) wrote: > : Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation  > : who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year.  > : Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin  > : to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! >  > I'm an advocate of this idea for funding Space Station work, and I > throw around the $1 billion figure for that "reward."  I suggest that > you increase the Lunar reward to about $3 billion. >  > This would encourage private industry to invest in space, which  > should be one of NASA's primary goals. >  > -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office >       kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov  (713) 483-4368 >  >      "Better.  Faster.  Cheaper." -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator   Also would maybe get the Russians Involved. After all they do have the resources to do it in part.. But they need the capital and the goal..  I wonder if renting the russians resources would be a disqualification?   == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 61 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com Keywords: Nata thing !!  In article <1993Apr21.053035.29591@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes:  > > Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right. > > You sick bastard.  > Why thanks for your reply to my post.  By the way, I never, never ever said  > that it was right to shoot "THOSE kind" of babies.    Let's go to the videotape.  Here's exactly what you posted:  > > THIS IS MURDER! > > ATF MURDERERS!  BUTCHERS!!  > Flame on!! > Is this guy serious???? > If he would ever really pay attention to the news (oops I forgot that the media >    for the most part loves to jump right on top of a story before all the facts  >    are known, as well as to manipulate what we see and thus what we believe).  >    Any ways one of Koresh's DEVOTED followers that DID I REPEAT DID survive this >    "GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE".  Besides there are nine  >    survivors in the burn-unit of the local hospital and was reported that David > -> was in one of the towers when the shit hit the fan.  Besides, a majority of  > -> these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of, > -> this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit (sp).  Also >    someone should have told David and his followers that if they can't the heat >    then they should stay out of the kitchen!! (pun intended)  So if you weren't saying that the deaths of "bastard children of a sacreligious zealot" was no big thing (and I know I am not the only one who read it that way), just what the hell WERE you saying?  > However it was the Branch > Davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their "savior"  > (yeah right budy boy) because he had brain-washed them into believing that  > what ever he says is the truth, even if means that they are to give up their > lives for <<<<HIS>>>> cause.  Therefore it is Davids fault and not the ATF's > who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out, this was 50 days to many for me and > for many of the rest of the U.S.   So who brainwashed YOU into believing that whatever the government says it the truth?  Or that Koresh was any actual threat to you and the rest of the  US?  Haven't you ever stopped to wonder WHY the government raided this farm? This raid was NOT ABOUT RELIGION, SEX, OR CHILD ABUSE.  To the best available evidence at the moment, this raid, psychological torture, and group death was  about Koresh's failure to PAY A $200 TAX on ONE grenade launcher that he may  or may not even have had!  That's why it was the BATF doing the raiding in the first place.  Do you think a $200 tax evasion justifies an armed assault by the government with 100 armed men in trailers, orchestrated character assassination, noise torture, and a holocaust?  > I am however sad to hear of the death of any  > child unlike the sick bastard I supposedly am.  Then think before you post. --   cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet... 
From: jcyuhn@crchh574.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (James Yuhn) Subject: Re: SHO clutch question (grinding noise?) Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh574 Organization: BNR, Inc. Lines: 15  In article <5243@unisql.UUCP>, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: |> In article <C5H6F8.LDu@news.rich.bnr.ca> jcyuhn@crchh574.NoSubdomain.NoDomain |> (James Yuhn) writes: |> >   That's not the clutch you're hearing, its the gearbox. Early SHOs have |> >   a lot of what is referred to as 'gear rollover' noise. You can generally |>  |> 	I have one of the first SHOs built, and _mine_ doesn't make |> this noise. |>      Geez wharfie, do you have to be so difficult? Mine was built in December '88,    which qualifies as pretty dang early, and it most certainly grinds away.      Jim 
From: kayman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) Subject: SUMMARY:  Canon BJ200 vs. HP DeskJet 500 Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. Lines: 401   Hello again,  About a week and one-half ago I posted a query looking for people feelings on the inkjet family of printers.  Specifically, a comparison between the Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500.  Many people asked me to post the summary/account of all the postings and e-mail I received.  Below is my original query and the responses I received.  I have not deleted any part of the responses, only the headers and signatures, so you can extract what you find necessary.  Some people asked me for an unbiased account; however, the very nature of the question suggests favoritism and biased comments, you must extract the information you believe unbiased and a fair representation of each printer.  There are a wide range of comments, each has its own value.    There was no clear winner, some like the BJ200 (especially its price/performance ratio), others preferred the durability and reliability of the DeskJet (the original inkjet with proven drivers and a solid background).  Two new inkjet printers have drawn some attention, a new printer to be introduced by Hewlett-Packard later this year (around summertime), and an addition to the Epson product line (their first inkjet).  You will find that after the initial purchase, the costs of re-filling or replacing the ink cartridges are about the same (this largely depends on where you purchase the re-fills or replacements -- so shop around first since this aspect will most likely dominate the cost of your printer).  No one mentioned approx. how many sheets each ink cartridge will print, but I suspect they are roughly equal at about 1000 - 1500 sheets (laser printers will do 4000-5000 sheets per toner cartridge).  Well, that's a brief research summary of my personal research.  ENJOY!  ===========================================================================  >Hello fellow 'netters. > >I am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer I >should purchase, the Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) vs. the HP DeskJet 500.  I >thought, rather than trust the salesperson, I would benefit more from >relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest >potential.  And, I figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls >better than any salesperson. > >Now, I would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 >dpi of the Canon BubbleJet vs. the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500 (300 dpi). >Which is faster?  Is there a noticeable print quality difference, >particularly in graphics?  Which will handle large documents better (75 >pages or more) -- any personal experience on either will be appreciated >here?  Which works better under Windows 3.1 (any driver problems, etc)? >Cost of memory, font packages, toner cartridges, etc?  Basically, your >personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable, >both good and bad. >  Well I bought the BJ 200 about a month ago at the start of their $50 rebate program on that printer (it ends 5/31), and I bought it from Computer Discount Warehouse because their price of $325 couldn't be beat anywhere I looked, and I think it's a HOT printer.  Just using regular copier paper produced fantastic results just in high quality mode.  I compared the output of a Micrografx Designer legal size drawing with 4pt type done on my BJ 200 with the same drawing printed on an HP Laserjet IID and I was amazed how well I could read the small print on the BJ 200.  Printing speed was several seconds faster on the BJ 200 which is amazing considering that the HP has 2.5M ram installed.  I measured the time from when the printer first indicated it was receiving data (as I used print manager in Windows).  I showed the output to several people at work and one manager bought one immediately for his office, and two other engineers placed their orders too.  If you need CDW's phone number, it's 800-598-4239.  Delivery to NY was two days.  Good luck!   Craig Witkowski, CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com Motorola Communications & Electronics Inc. Glen Rock,  NJ  ===========================================================================  I own a Deskjet 500. Performance isn't spectacular under Windows using TrueType fonts but neither is the Canon from what I have seen. Quality for the HP is very much dependent on paper quality - on 'standard' photo-copy paper the characters have slightly 'frayed' edges but on better quality 'distinction' type paper things look better. For most applications I find copy paper fine - still better than dot-matrix.  Comes with a Windows driver, which seems to by-pass print manager, has a few 'intelli-fonts'which are HP scaleable fonts - probably faster than TrueType but haven't really tried them out. Can get RAM & FONT cartridges but unless the speed of TrueType is a problem I wouldn't bother. The RAM cartridges can't be used as buffer - soft fonts only.  For graphics, i.e. BMP images etc the HP can be put into a dither mode via the HP supplied Win driver. There a number of dither options such as 'scatter', 'pattern' etc.  The manual gives recommendations depending on the type of image being printed.  Text is not so good in this mode. Problem arises when you have a document which contains both graphic and text.  The range of tones for graphic images isn't brilliant but I think that is more of a limitation with inkjet printers in general.  >From what I have seen the Canon is similar in most respects.  However, a printer definitely worth looking at is the new inkjet from Epson.  This printer is faster, cheaper, and capable of producing laser-like quality on normal copier paper.  Can't remember the model #, LX - something I think?  I purchased my HP days before the Epson was released here :-{.  The introductory price on the Epson was the same as the HP here in New Zealand.   ===========================================================================  About a month ago, I got a Canon BJ200.  I absolutely LOVE it.  It is incredibly fast, except for printing from PSPICE (I don't know if you ever do stuff with that or not.)  Most of the stuff I print is either from Microsoft Word for Windows or just plain text.  The only problems I've had are printing headers/footers (the printer freaked out), and printing on cheap paper (lots of streaks).  Normal copy paper works great with it, you can only tell it's not laser-printed by holding it, oh, less than twelve inches from your face.  (That is, if you're nearsighted, like me! :) ) The printer comes with its own driver for Windows 3.1!!  I have no other complaints.  The printer also can act just like some EPSON or another for those archaic software packages that haven't written a driver for it yet. The teeny-weeny footprint is a real plus, too--AND, if you purchase it between now and May 31, you get a $50 rebate from Canon!!  I bought mine from a store called CompUSA, and the price now is $340.  I have a friend who has the HP you are looking at.  It also prints very well, and everyone has drivers for it, BUT it is VERY slow!  Hope I helped!  (360dpi sure looks great!)  Heather Stehman  ===========================================================================  In article <1993Apr19.122649.25263@schbbs.mot.com>, CENG51@maccvm.corp.mot.com (Craig Witkowski) writes: > In message <1993Apr18.041741.6051@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> > kayman@csd-d-3.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman) writes: > Hello fellow 'netters. >  >>I am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer I >>should purchase, the Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) vs. the HP DeskJet 500.  I >>thought, rather than trust the salesperson, I would benefit more from >>relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest >>potential.  And, I figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls >>better than any salesperson. >  > (various questions deleted) >  > Well I bought the BJ 200 about a month ago at the start of their > $50 rebate program on that printer (it ends 5/31), and I bought it from > Computer Discount Warehouse because their price of $325 couldn't be > beat anywhere I looked, and I think it's a HOT printer.  Just using > regular copier paper produced fantastic results just in high quality > mode.  I compared the output of a Micrografx Designer legal size drawing > with 4pt type done on my BJ 200 with the same drawing printed on > an HP Laserjet IID and I was amazed how well I could read the small print > on the BJ 200.  Printing speed was several seconds faster on the BJ 200 > which is amazing considering that the HP has 2.5M ram installed. > I measured the time from when the printer first indicated it was receiving > data (as I used print manager in Windows). >     I guess I have some experience with both: I have a BJ-300 at work and a Deskjet 500 at home.  I prefer the Deskjet.  The printing speed and quality are similar (I tested both with text and graphics before buying the Deskjet for home).  The feature that sets the Deskjet apart is the driver support in so many applications.  The BJ ends up emulating the Epson LQ or IBM Proprinter to get it to work with many non-windows apps and this will be the case for a long time.  The design is superior if you just want to use cut paper, the Deskjet is quieter, AND the ink cartridges are quite a bit cheaper due to the number of Deskjets out there in comparision to the BJs.    Just my $0.02 worth..  --  Mike Mattix Agricultural Group of Monsanto P.O. Box 174 Luling, LA 70070 INTERNET Address: dmmatt@bigez.monsanto.com  ===========================================================================    Yes, there is the landscape mode printing problem, but it does not present a problem in Windows as the Windows printer driver handles the translation.  I actually thought of some other points after I posted the note.  The Deskjet has an unprintable area of approximately .5inch around the paper the Bubblejet does not.  You are right about the graphics resolutions, I tested the printers with the applications I had access to: Wordperfect, Harvard Graphics, WinGIF, Paintshop PRO, and Paintbrush and could not tell a difference.  In fact one of the HP Deskjet Windows drivers gives you significant control over the contrast and density of the printer hence controlling the amount of ink you put down.  The Bubblejet did not. I had no imaging software to test the printers with and so had no comparision there.  Finally, I wanted sheet feeding.  In that configuration the Bubblejet cost approximately $100 more than the Deskjet.  I went through a pretty thorough evaluation and chose the Deskjet when I spent my own money.  BTW, I am replacing the BJ-300 with a Deskjet 500 at work this month anyway.  Regards  Mike Mattix Ag Group of Monsanto Luling, LA  ===========================================================================  I spent some time comparing the two.  We ended up getting the Bubblejet BJ-200 versus the HP.  Our reasons were:  1) The HP seemed to have worse banding than the Canon 2) 360dpi versus 300 - we felt we could see the difference 3) Price - Canon has a $50 rebate program going on at the moment.  The BJ-200 was our choice over the BJ-10ex - we could have 100 pages in the BJ-200 feeder.  The BJ-10ex holds only 30 pages, I think.  As you can see, up to 100 pages on the BJ-200.  We haven't done anything big with the BJ, but its performance seems reasonable under Windows.  I know that the Microsoft BBS has a newer windows driver than comes with the printer, but I don't know how it compares (also the driver included with the printer is Canon's whereas I don't know where the Microsoft BBS one comes from - Microsoft?)  Hope this helps. --  Thomas V. Frauenhofer, WA2YYW tvf@cci.com, ...!uunet!uupsi!cci632!tvf, tvf@cs.rit.edu Mandlebratwurst: The Meal that Eats Itself!  ===========================================================================  Altough I'm sometimes also a salesperson (if I'm not suppost to study :-)) I would recommend to buy the BJ200. The printing quality is a bit better, but you you've got much more possiblities. Don't forget the HP engine is at least 2 years on the marked, the Canon engine (witch is also used in other "new" bubblejet printers like e.g. the Epson ones) is quite recently available..  > Now, I would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 > dpi of the Canon BubbleJet vs. the Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 500 (300 dpi). > Which is faster?  Is there a noticeable print quality difference, > particularly in graphics?  Which will handle large documents better (75  I've seen during a short demonstration (from someone who tryed to sell me Canon printers) 2 times the same picture, one printed with the BJ200, one with the Canon, the other with the HP, and.. there was a difference in printing- quality,.. The Canon was a bit better..  Greetz,  Kris  ===========================================================================  When we decided we needed quiet printers in our hospital we looked to inkjet printers.  They have near laser quality, speed, and they are quiet. We use both HP Deskjets and the Canon BJ-200s.  I prefer the paper handling qualities of the Deskjets but I feel the Canons have superior print quality.  The Ideal would be a Canon with a sheet feeder, however I did end up buying a deskjet for home use (got too good a deal).  Anyway, we are using Canons in high volume areas and they are holding up very well.  Out of 15 Deskjets and 4 BJ-200s I have only had one problem with a deskjet and that was taken care of very quickly by HP.  							-Nate  ===========================================================================  Whenever I buy anything I look at what the "experts" say, pick out the top few and then buy on whatever criteria are the most apt.  I've been unusually flush lately (no begging letter please) and so I've done this a few times including - about four months ago - with inkjet printers.  I can't remember much about the process except that I read about three reviews of inkjets and that the 500 was always at or near the top.  I bought the 500C because of the added dimension of colour (I intend to build a multi- media machine at some stage and have just bought a colour scanner towards that).  Although I haven's used the colour thing in earnest yet I tried it out on a couple of Windows bitmaps and I was pleased with the result.  I note that even though you can now get the 550C (the one with both colour and mono with no need to change the cartridge), the 500C and 500 are still readily available (at least in the UK).  The following are my views/experience:  	1.	I don't know anything about the Canon except that I came away 		from reviews (and replies to a posting similar to yours) with 		the idea that the HP offered the best performance/price ratio.  	2.	I believe HP are the originals in the field - not always the 		ideal place to be but the market's still young so one assumes 		they have the expertise.  	3.	The 500C is worth the extra.  Operation in mono is perfectly 		acceptable and I get good crisp reproduction of fonts from 		Windows.  	4.	I used to work for Monotype when they still manufactured 		typesetters (before their AMERICAN owners closed them down!) 		and I can tell you that in terms of definition 300 dpi is 		pretty poor anyway so 360 dpi is just a bit less poor...  	5.	The HP comes with a reasonable set of drivers.  	6.	If you buy it invest in the additional RAM pack - it's pretty 		slow with it, God knows what it's like without!  I actually work in Germany and my PC is home in the UK so it's not in daily use.  I would say that apart from my not reading the manual properly and having a really dumb problem at the start it's easy peasy to operate.  Hope this is of use.  Regards  David	  ===========================================================================  Just bought the BJ-200.  I thought the price couldn't be beat ($329, with $50 rebate thru 5/31) and so far it is comparable, even superior, to the DeskJet in print quality.  Speed:   Per page rate seems to be faster (I don't have figures).          I don't print long docs, though.  Quality: I think the graphics quality is excellent.  Print quality is          excellent as well, unless you use small fonts and hold it up          close; you can see a lot more "jaggies" than on a LaserJet.          The 360 dpi is offset by a little less accuracy in holding the          page/print head in place, I would imagine.  Large docs:  Not room in the standard model for a whole lotta pages ...          manual says up to 100, though.  Haven't tried it.  Drivers:  No problems under Win3.1 yet.  WinWord doesn't want to print          the envelopes the same way the Canon does, though.  Know nothing of add-on costs.   Daniel A. Hartung  --  dhartung@chinet.chinet.com  --  Ask me about Rotaract  ===========================================================================  >The deskjet is SLOW.  This is in comparison to the other printers I >mentioned.  I have no idea how the bubblejet compares. > >The interface between Win3.1 and the printer is just dandy, I've not >had any problems with it.  I just bought a BJ-200 printer a couple of days ago.  I compared it to the sample print of an HP DeskJet 500 and knew that the HP wasn't for me.  The BJ-200 is pretty fast and really prints with good quality.  I can compare it with the HP LaserJet IIID PostScript and they look almost identical ( depending on the kind of paper).  I don't have problems with the ink not being dry, it seems to dry VERY fast.  Probably within a second.  Since Canon is giving a $50 rebate until the end of May, it is really a good buy.   --- Sean Eckton Computer Support Representative College of Fine Arts and Communications  ===========================================================================  Wow, it's funny you should ask this.  I'm a little behind in news reading so I know this may be late.    I just purchased the Canon Bubblejet last night.  I was really worried that I wouldn't like it but the print quality, and noise level is fantastic!  I printed quite a few documents with lots of graphics and it printed DAMN near laser quality.  You can't tell it's not laser unless you get 2 inches from the page.    no problems with drivers.  The printer came with the driver diskette which is good because I was beginning to panic when I couldn't findi it under Windows or WordPerfect.  It works well under both.  I have yet to install Word for Windows so don't know how it works with them.    I had a DeskJet 500 at work last year.  It was a good printer as well ut I felt it was awfully slow.  And much noisier than the BubbleJet.  I won't say the BubbleJet is MUCH better, but I really do like it more.  Just my $0.02 worth.  -=- Brett ===========================================================================  -- Sincerely,  Robert Kayman	----	kayman@cs.stanford.edu  -or-  cpa@cs.stanford.edu  "In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they are not." "You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision  revised?!?!"
From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu Subject: Re: allergic reactions against laser printers?? Organization: University of Northern Iowa Lines: 10  In article <1993Apr29.124806.4599@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE>, rdd@uts.ipp-garching.mpg.de (Reinhard Drube) writes: > does anyone know about allergic reactions caused by the developer/toner > of laser printers? What chemical stuff is involved?  Mainly carbon dust with iron in a plastic binder that is melted on to the paper.  Same stuff as dry paper photocopiers.  Allergies?  Haven't heard of any, but anything's possible with allergies ;-)  Kay Klier  Biology Dept  UNI
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) Subject: AHL Playoff results, Thurs/Fri Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 31 Nntp-Posting-Host: craft.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]  AHL PLAYOFF SCORES-- FIRST ROUND	(home team in CAPS) ================================  GAMES PLAYED ON THURS, 4/22 ------------------------- Rochester 4	UTICA 3		(OT) 		 GAMES PLAYED ON FRI, 4/23 -------------------------- Binghamton 8	BALTIMORE 3 MONCTON 5	St John's 4	(OT) Springfield 4	PROVIDENCE 2  =================================================================== SERIES STATI (plural of status? :) ---------------------------------- Adirondack defeated CDI, 4-0 Springfield leads Providence, 3-2 Binghamton leads Baltimore, 2-1 Rochester leads Utica, 3-1 St John's leads Moncton, 3-1 Cape Breton leads Fredericton, 3-1 			     ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++     + Bri Farenell			farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu   +     + AHL, ECAC and Boston Bruins contact for rec.sport.hockey		   +     + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81  '86  '89  '92	   +     + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66  '91  '93		   +     + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90  '91       +     + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu +     ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) Subject: Re: note to Bobby M., again Nntp-Posting-Host: nin Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England Lines: 30  In article <1993Apr13.213527.3706@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:  > How about people who are not religous?  Take the inner city.  There are > many people that care little for religion.  Lot of crime.  Lot of > murder.  This is the other end- lack of religion- that allows wrong to > happen.  I lived in Tokyo for a year and a half, and one of the many reasons why I intend to go back indefinitely is the freedom one enjoys when one can walk anywhere (and I mean *anywhere*) at any time of day or night and not feel uneasy, even if one's from an ethnic minority as I was.  Clues for Bobby (why do I bother?): (i) Tokyo is a city, and inner Tokyo is an inner city; (ii) there is a negligible level of violent crime, and a street murder will be a lead item on *national* TV news; (iii) the population is almost universally atheistic.  Next time I go for a stroll around Beirut at night, I'll let you know how it compares.  > Bobby Mozumder  Cheers  Simon --  Simon Clippingdale                simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk Department of Computer Science    Tel (+44) 203 523296 University of Warwick             FAX (+44) 203 525714 Coventry CV4 7AL, U.K.
From: nmohan@opal.tufts.edu Subject: SALE-CANON EOS ELAN OUTFIT Lines: 28 Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA  FOR SALE CANON EOS ELAN OUTFIT  INCLUDED  -EOS elan body -28-80 mm EF 1:3.5-5.6 USM lens -100-300 mm EF 1:4.%-5.6 USM lens -2 B&W UV filters -Hoya circular polarising filter -Canon RC-1 remote controller -Pentax lens cloth -Lowe Pro camera bag -Galen Rowell Photoflex lens bag -Sapre lithium battery -Hove Foto bokk user guide to Canon EOS elan  All as new condition  The whole lot $800 (firm)  Contact David 617-227-7326               617-956-6905   Please do not e-mail your queries. All talks only by phone.   
Subject: New Hampshire and Maine non-resident carry permit application From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) Distribution: na Organization: Harvard University Science Center Nntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu Lines: 9   for those who live near or plan to vacation in New Hampshire and Maine, I am posting the basic info of how to apply for a LTC (CCW) in those states for non-residents.  post will be in rec.guns -J. Case Kim kim39@husc.harvard.edu 
From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) Subject: Re: BD's did themselves--you're all paranoid freaks Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 16  In article <1r8m19INNeph@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes: />/:/g j:Maybe they WANTED it to look like murder. He had 50+ days. I think this was :>coming the whole time. He didn't even put the children in the buried bus or :>the underground bunker during the CS seige. He put them up into the tower :>to die. : :	Is CS gas lighter or heavier than air?  Do you know?  If the  CS is heavier than air... most chemical weapons are...  --  ******************************************************************************** James S. Cochrane        *  When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space  gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu *  circles, scream and shout.          * for rent ********************************************************************************
Organization: Penn State University From: <LRR105@psuvm.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Dents on car. Lines: 5  All you have to do is turn it in to the police like you would an accident, get a report and send it in to your insurance company and they will contact the other guys insurance company and they will have to pay just as they would in an accident they caused.  Thus no need to go to court.  A friend of mine did this and he got the money so it does work.
From: shredder@telerama.pgh.pa.us (Ed Sayre) Subject: Orthodox List Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 7  I recently had to move and forgot to update my address to the Orthodox mailing list. Can anyone e-mail me the address for changes and what exactly I have to put in caps, etc? (please send the original subscription address also). Thanks ahead of time! -Ed. --  Ed "Shredder" Sayre              internet: shredder@telerama.pgh.pa.us Unemployment Studies major
From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley) Subject: Misc Electronic Eqpt Summary: electronics for sale Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Distribution: usa Lines: 20    Panasonic KX-T3000H, Combo black cordless & speaker phone all in one.  new- $160, now- $100 + shipping OBO.   Curtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes.  Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR.  paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO.   Radio Shack stereo amp.  2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume.  Speakers  not included.  $20 plus shipping.   If you are interested in either of the above mail me at  radley@gibbs.out.unc.edu.          _     _  //       Major: Computer Science              /<eith Radley     \\//        Minor:     English              Radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu      \/      Computer:   AMIGA 3000           University of North Carolina  
From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) Subject: Re: Where are they now? X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University 	of Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither 	control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 15  In article <1r8ou3$41u@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: >In article <1993Apr22.070854.18213@nuscc.nus.sg> cmtan@iss.nus.sg (Tan Chade Meng - dan) writes: >#I'll be leaving in June.  That's because I'm going back to my university >#& alt.atheism is banned there (stupid theist intolerance).  Sad isn't it.   >#Anybody has any idea how I can circumvent this problem? > [Frank's solution deleted.]  If you have access to telnet, contact nyx.cs.du.edu.  It's a public access Unix system, completly free, and all you need to for access is a verifiable form of ID (I think he requires a notarized copy of a picture, or a check, or some such). -- =kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu | B(0-4) c- d- e++ f- g++ k(+) m r(-) s++(+) t | TSAKC= =My thoughts, my posts, my ideas, my responsibility, my beer, my pizza.  OK???=
From: oreilly@olivia.la.asu.edu (Tom O'Reilly) Subject: Russian Phobos Mission Organization: Mars Observer TES Project, ASU, Tempe AZ Distribution: sci.space Lines: 11  Yes, the Phobos mission did return some useful data including images of Phobos itself. The best I've seen had a surface resolution of about 40 meters. By the way, the new book entitled "Mars" (Kieffer et al, 1992, University of Arizona Press) has a great chapter on spacecraft exploration of the planet. The chapter is co-authored by V.I. Moroz of the Space Research Institute in Moscow, and includes details never before published in the West. Don't know of any ftp sites with images though.  Tom O'Reilly Department of Geology Arizona State University
From: CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) Subject: Insurance Rates on Performance Cars SUMMARY Organization: Louisiana Tech University Lines: 244 NNTP-Posting-Host: vm.cc.latech.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2       I recently posted an article asking what kind of rates single, male drivers under 25 yrs old were paying on performance cars. Here's a summary of the replies I received.         -------------------------------------------------------------------------------   I'm not under 25 anymore (but is 27 close enough).   1992 Dodge Stealth RT/Twin Turbo (300hp model). No tickets, no accidents, own a house, have taken defensive driving 1, airbag, abs, security alarm, single.   $1500/year  $500 decut. State Farm Insurance (this includes the additional $100 for the $1,000,000 umbrella policy over my car and house)  The base policy is the standard $100,000 - $100,000 - $300,000 policy required in DE.   After 2nd defensive driving course it will be 5% less.   I bought the car in September 1992.  The company I was with (never had and accident or ticket in 11 years) quoted me $2,500.   Hope this helps.   Steve Flynn University of Delaware ======================================================================== 45       Kevin:       (Hope I remembered your name correctly)...       You asked about insurance for performance cars.  Well, last year     I was in a similar situation before I bought my car, and made the     same inquiry as you.       Age: 24 (then and now)     Car: 1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD     Driving Record: Clean     State: Illinois     Cost: $820/6 mos.       I turn 25 in May and the insurance goes down to $520/6 mos.     Also, I'm single and that incurs a higher rate with my company.       I've got a couple other friends w/ AWDs and they pay more     than I do (different ins. companies also), so maybe I'm just lucky.       Hope the info helps.       Dan     [dans@jdc.gss.mot.com]     Motorola Cellular Subscriber Group   ======================================================================== 38  USA Cc:   I'm 23; live in Norman, Oklahoma; drive an '89 Thunderbird SC; have never made a claim against my insurance (though I have been hit several times by negligent drivers who couldn't see stop signs or were fiddling with their radios); and I have had three moving violations in the last 18 months (one for going 85 in a 55; one for "failure to clear an intersection" (I still say the damn light was yellow); and one for going 35 in a 25 (which didn't go on my record)). My rates from State Farm (with a passive restraint deduction) on liability, $500 deductible comprehensive, and $500 deductible collision are roughly $1300/year. (I was paying just over $1100/year for a '92 Escort LX.)   				James   James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... 		The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC    "It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has 	and all he's ever gonna have." 			--Will Munny, "Unforgiven" ======================================================================== 61   I am beyond the "under 25" age group, but I have an experience a few years ago that might be interesting to you.  I owned a 1985 Toyota Celica GT.  I decided to buy myself a gift - a more exotic car.  Front runners included the Toyota Supra Turbo and the Porsche 924 (1987 model years). I narrowed it down to those two.  I liked the simplicity and handling (and snob appeal, too) of driving a Porsche.  The Supra Turbo was less money and had more features and performance - almost a personal luxury car.  It had better acceleration and a higher top speed than the 924. I was almost ready to give in to a buying impulse for the 924, but i decided to stop by my insurance agent's office on the way.  I asked about what would happen to my rate with either car.   "If you buy the Supra, your rate classification will be the same as the Celica (the '85 Celica was considered a subcompact and for that year was rated as one of the safest cars), with a slight increase because the car will be 2 years newer.  Our lower-risk division will continue to handle your account.   "If you buy the Porsche 924, we'll have to change you to the standard [higher] rate company and your rate will double.  And if you go with a 944, it's another story again - we'll cover the rest of this year, but cancel you after that."   "But the Supra is much faster than the 924, and the 924 is actually faster than the [standard] 944.  That doens't make sense."    That's what the book says.  We don't insure Corvettes, either.  For some reason, the underwriters consider Supras - and their drivers - as very traditional and conservative."   I eventually went with the Supra for a number of reasons.  The Porsche dealer had a nice salesman to get me interested, but a tough high-pressure guy in the back room.  At equal monthly payments, it would have taken a year longer to pay for the Porsche, plus its higher insurance.  I concluded that the high insurance was related to probability of auto theft.      /|/| /||)|/  /~ /\| |\|)[~|)/~   |   Everyone's entitled to MY opinion.   / | |/ ||\|\  \_|\/|_|/|)[_|\\_|  |      goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil ========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein=======           ======================================================================== 32   I live in Idaho.  When I was <26 many years ago (10 years) I bought a Trans Am (new).  Insurance was about $1300/year.  When I turned 26, it immediately dropped to $460/year.  I had not had any accidents before or after, this was strictly an age change.  That same rate stayed pretty much the same until I sold the car 2 years ago.  My F-150 pickup is about $80/year less.   The real amazing thing is that when I woke up at age 25, I felt SO MUCH MORE RESPONSIBLE than I was before...  :-)   Wes   ======================================================================== 21     For your information: California Male, single, under 25 , No moving violation Alfa Spider      =======> $2000 / year   What a bargain!!! ======================================================================== 28   Let's see, I'm 24, single, male, clean driving record. I have a 92 VW COrrado VR6. I live in San Jose, California. I pay ~1500$ a year through Allstate. A good deal if you ask me.   I was thinking about getting a Talon, but I think the insurance is higher for a "turbo" sports car vs a V6   -W   ======================================================================== 27   1986 Honda CRX Si, clean record, in a small New Mexico town was around $800 per year, age 24.   Nearby city rates were 1.5X-2X higher than where I've got mine insured.   ..robert -- Robert Stack / Institute of Transportation Studies, Univ of California-Irvine                stack@translab.its.uci.edu   '92 Mazda Protege LX ======================================================================== 37 1300 per year, 1992 Saturn SC, 21 Years old, State: New Mexico, Insurance: State Farm.     ======================================================================== 64     Here is my info:   Car             : '89 Toyota Celica ST Insurance Co    : Farmer's Insurance Yearly insurance: $2028 Age             : 24 Date of license : Oct 14, 1992 Residence       : Mountain View, California No moving violations (for now atleast ;-)   Hope this helps. Please post a summary if possible.   Vijay ********************************************************************** Vijay Anisetti Email: anisetti@informix.com   Apt: (415)962-0320   Off: (415)926-6547 ======================================================================== 38 Single, 24 years old, Eagle Talon Turbo AWD, $1200 (full-cover, reasonable  liability) No tickets, No violations, No accidents... (knock on wood...) Mass,   	One thing that makes a HUGE difference in MASS is the town you live in. I'm personally in one of the best towns within reasonable distance of Boston.  If I moved to the absolute best it would go down to about $1150, if I moved to the worst it would be $2000+..   	Also one accident and a couple of tickets, would probably add another $600...     	_RV     ======================================================================== 43 I have a 1990 Mitsubishi eclipse turbo awd, am 23 years old and have no tickets that went on my record.  I live in Illinois just outside of Chicago and pay $1560 a year with full coverage at State Farm.  I did get a small discount because of my alarm system($30 a year).  I only live 15 miles from Chicago but if I actually lived in the city the price would be about $2000 a year. ======================================================================== 41 I'm over 25, but in case you're interested anyway, I'm insuring a 93 SHO for $287/6 month.  Thats 100k personal+300k total+100k property with 250 deductible, glass and towing, State Farm.   ======================================================================== 39   Unless you are under 20 or have been driving for less than 5 years, I think you are being seriously ripped off.  I don't have one of the performance cars you listed, but if your record is clean, then you should not be paying over $2K.   Did you try calling all the insurance dealers you could find? Although rates are supposed to be standardized, I've found that most places I initially call, give me some ridiculously high quote and *finaly*, I hit one that is much lower.   Also, I have changed insurance companies when the rate went up at renewal (no accidents, tickets, car gets older??) to maintain a low rate.  You always have to be careful when it comes to insurance companies 8^).   Good luck, Serge
From: will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) Subject: Re: nuclear waste Organization: Ryukoku Univ., Seta, Japan Lines: 4   	Thanks for the Update.  							Will...
From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) Subject: Re: Simple Windows question Organization: AT&T Lines: 15  In article <1993Apr23.214110.15315@sarah.albany.edu> jr0930@eve.albany.edu (DIAMOND) writes: >When running DOS 5.0 under Windows 3.0, I lose the ability to do a >print-screen. >I have no problem with this when I'm running DOS not under Windows. ...  Open up the .PIF file with the PIF Editor, click on the "Advanced" button, and then reserve the PrtSc key for the application.  Any keys that you select in this section will be passed along to the application rather than being processed by Windows.  -- Bob Nichols AT&T Bell Laboratories rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 122 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com  In article <CMM.0.90.2.734911642.thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no>, Thomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes:  > If I would like to have a handgun, i would have to get an gun-licence from  > the police and to be a member of a gun-club. > The police would check my criminal records for any SERIOUS crimes and/or > records of SERIOUS mental diseases. > Now, if a got my licence, I would have to be an active member of the gun > -club for 6 months BEFORE I could collect my gun.  So, like, what do you do during those six months to be "active?" My town has a similar requirement, and it's rather stupid.  Before you can buy a handgun, you have to be an active member of a gun club. Well, how active can you be without a gun, chief?  Most gun owners feel a check of criminal records for crimes and mental disorders would be a very good thing -- IF it couldn't be abused by the government.  But every time this is proposed, there is always some trapdoor by which the government can deny your purchase EVEN IF you are perfectly qualified to own a gun.  And we oppose this.  > It's a little like getting a drivers licence isn't it ??? > You have to prove that you CAN drive before you are allowed to...  Since the fatal accident rate for licensed automobile drivers in the US  is around 50 times the fatal accident rate of largely unlicensed gun owners, I'd think twice before using this analogy.  Besides, the problem is criminal use of guns, not accidents.  (There are about 500,000 criminal uses of guns in the US every year -- but only 1,400 accidents.)  I don't think it's necessary to spend a lot of energy making sure a criminal CAN shoot a gun before he gets one.  Just like the check, most gun owners feel positively about requiring safety courses -- IF they couldn't be abused by the government.  But  they already have!  One state doesn't hold the courses, another doesn't  fund them, a third holds them only once a year with limited attendence  to those with political connections.  Is this fair?  > Most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes, and mostly short  > time befor the crime.  And how many of them acquire these guns from legal retail outlets? How many are borrowed, stolen, smuggled, bought on the black market?  > Use of knives: > It IS allowed to cary knifes in public, but not in your belt or 'open'. > You (Americans) think it's ok to have a gun, but not to carry it open > in public -rigth ??  Some states allow ONLY open carry.  Some allow ONLY concealed carry. Some allow both.  Some allow both, but require licenses for concealed  carry.  All you can say is if one of these modes has a clear advantage over another in terms of reducing crime or any other public good, then state legislators SOMEPLACE are doing exactly the wrong thing. Which means that they really don't have any objective reasons for  these laws other than their preferences -- a bad way to govern.  > Scandinavians ARE 'aggressive': > We northeners are not as hot-livered as southeners, but when we decide > to take action we DO.  ("Hot-livered."  I LOVE that expression.  Here, we say "hot-headed.")  > Individual vs masses: > Yes the individual is more important than the masses, but only to some > extent.... > Your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses ?? > What happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of  > all the others ??  Typically, the only criminals who can affect the rights of ALL the other people are criminals in government offices.  The rest of our criminals affect the rights of only one or a few people at a time, and they do this during the commission of a crime.  POSSESSION of a gun by someone hurts NO ONE else.  It is when they do something violent with that gun that the crime occurs.  Of course, it is a crime for a felon or ex-felon to possess a gun, but we don't feel it is right to treat common citizens who have lived good lives as if they were just "pre-felons" waiting to commit crimes.  > We shouldn't mix weapons and items that can serve as one....  I don't understand this sentence.  > IF i lived in Amerika I would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in HOME. > But should it have to be like that ??  Life isn't fair.  I shouldn't need a fire extinguisher either, or flood and theft insurance, or to lock the doors of my house and car. But pining for a better world won't do anything to address what I have to do to live in this one.  > Do you think it's wise to sell guns like candy (some states do...) ??  None of ours, I'm sure.  > If you believe it's smart/neccacery to have drivers-licence WHY do you think > it should be free to buy guns ??  Frankly, I'm not sure I know what good a driver's license does anyone, either.  The people who drive safely never use it, and the people who  drive drunk, drive without it!  However, a car is a good tool, but not one that protects my right to life. I rank the right to life somewhere north of the right to travel freely.  > I'm not a pacifist or anti gun.  > I would defend my home, loved ones and country, but I don't view guns as > neccities or toys. > I HAVE done army service, and HAVE used a variaty of weapons, but wouldn't > want to have one for self defence or because they 'feel good'....  The question is not whether or not you want to own guns personally.  It's whether or not you think that ALL people should be forced to do as you do. I don't have any problem with someone who says they would never own a gun. I do have a problem with someone who says I should be prevented from owning one, too. --   cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet... 
From: ebrewer@science.smith.edu Subject: re: Where to put my swap file (IDE or SCSI) Keywords:    Organization: Smith College Distribution: na Lines: 23  In article <1993Apr28.160220.963@oracle.us.oracle.com> ebosco@us.oracle.com writes: > >I have a 486 sx 25 and I recently added a SCSI drive to my system using an   >Adaptec 1522 (non busmastering) controller. Yesterday I ran coretest to   >find out drive performance and these are the values I got > >Seagate 106 Meg: 875.1kb/Sec	14.5ms avg seek   3.7ms track to track  >Quantum 400 Meg SCSI: 991.2 Kb/sec  12.7 avg seek 3.6 track to track. > >First off all are these good results? I don't know what typical values   >are.  Those are pretty typical, I believe.  >What I'm wondering now is the following. My swap file is currently on the   >IDE. I could move it to the SCSI which is 13% faster, but then I would not   >be able to use 32-bit access which might actuall make it slower. So on   >which drive should I put my swap file to get best results? Is there a swap   >file speed test program out there?  Keep the swap file on the IDE.  32-bit access is worth a fair amount more than 13%. 
From: kckluge@eecs.umich.edu (Karl Kluge) Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/.... In-Reply-To: arf@genesis.MCS.COM's message of 15 Apr 1993 20:57:53 -0500 Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 21   > From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) > Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/.... > Date: 15 Apr 1993 20:57:53 -0500 >  > I can't speak for the organizations you cited but everywhere you look in > our society and government, one can see the relentless movement toward > one world government.  The fact that the media demeans such charished  > values as patriotism, nationalism and protectionism are some of the > clues....Our porous border both people and trade are an indiciation that  > we have already lost a great deal of sovergnty.  ...and I'm sure that people who were big fans of fuedalism pissed and moaned about the emergence of the modern nation-state. Imagine, the King allowing serfs their freedom if they could live in the city for a year! Times change, technology changes, viable forms of social organization change. While concerns about preserving Western notions of civil liberties in the face of cultures with very different values is a valid one, it's a waste of effort to try to turn back the tide. It's much smarter to focus on trying to make sure that the emerging forms of social organization are acceptable than it iss to lament the passing of the old forms.
From: habl@vision.auc.dk (Hans F. E. Blaasvaer s8 F93) Subject: Re: head-to-head win and os/2 In-Reply-To: jagrant@emr1.emr.ca's message of Sat, 15 May 1993 17:53:12 GMT Organization: Laboratory of Image Analysis, University of Aalborg Lines: 28  In article <1993May15.175312.22307@emr1.emr.ca> jagrant@emr1.emr.ca (John Grant) writes: 	   I don't think the question is: 		   "will OS/2 X.X run Windows Y.Y apps now?"  	   A more important question is: 		   "will subsequent OS/2 versions continue to run apps 		   from subsequent Windows versions in the future?"    --     John A. Grant						jagrant@emr1.emr.ca    Airborne Geophysics    Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa   	But the most important question is: 		"will there be any OS2 apps, so we don't  		have to load windows in the future?" 	 	and maybe the question of the future will be: 		"will windows X.1 run OS2 Y.Y apps now?"  Regards Hans -- -------------------------------------------------------------  The whales of the Atlantic and the people of the Faroe Islands  have coexisted in perfect harmony for the last 1000 years - no matter what any urban navel contamplator without any real relation to the coherence of the nature says. -------------------------------------------------------------
From: Seth Adam Eliot <se08+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! Organization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <1993Apr18.001319.2340@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>  Excerpts from netnews.talk.politics.guns: 18-Apr-93 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu  > Yea, there are millions of cases where yoy *say* that firearms > 'deter' criminals. Alas, this is not provable. I think that that > there are actually *few* cases where this is so.   excerpted from a letter I wrote a while ago:       Although less apparent to those who have not researched the facts, personal protection is as legitimate a reason  as sport for the private citizen to own a gun.  The most recent research  is  that  of Dr. Gary Kleck of the  Florida  State University  School of Criminology.1  He found that  handguns are  more  often  used by victims to defeat  crime  than  by criminals to commit it (645,000 vs. 580,000 respectively  in this  study).  These figures are even more encouraging  when you  consider the number of crimes that never occur  because of  the  presence  of a gun in the hands  of  a  law-abiding private  citizen.  In a National Institute of Justice  study of  ten state prisons across the country they found that 39% of  the  felons  surveyed had aborted  at  least  one  crime because  they believed that the intended victim was  armed., and  57% agreed that "most criminals are more worried  about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police."2      One  of the most heinous of crimes is that against  the women  of  this country.  It has been my recent  observation that  more  women  are purchasing handguns  for  defense  in response  to  the  present danger of these  assaults.   This should be taken as encouraging news if the events of Orlando Florida  are any indicator.  In the late 1960's  the  female populace was plagued with a series of brutal assaults;  just the  publicity of the record number of women buying guns and obtaining training resulted in an 88% decrease in  rape  for that  area,  the  only city of its size in  the  country  to experience a decrease of crime for that year.  Additionally, a 1979 US Justice Department study of 32,000 attempted rapes showed  that overall, when rape is attempted, the completion rate  is 36%. But when a woman defends herself with  a  gun, the completion rate drops to 3%.   1 G Kleck, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America Aldine de Gruyter, NY, 1991 2 JD Wright & PH Rossi Armed and Considered Dangerous:  A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms, Aldine de Gruyter, NY, 1986 -------  __________________________________________________________________________ [unlike cats] dogs NEVER scratch you when you wash them. They just become very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong. -Dave Barry             Seth Eliot                    Dept of Material Science and Engineering                               Carnegie Mellon Univerity,   Pittsburgh, PA ARPA    :eliot+@cmu.edu       |------------------------------------------    or    se08+@andrew.cmu.edu | Bitnet:  se08%andrew@cmccvb   |       ------------------------------|
From: gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) Subject: Drag Coefficients Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory Lines: 4  Could someone explain how to make sense of drag coefficients (i.e Cd) mentioned in magazines.  I understand that lower numbers signify better aerodynamics but what does this mean in the real world.  Is there a way to calculate new top speeds(assuming the car is not rev limited at top speed) or mileage benefits if a identical car had the Cd reduced from .34 to .33.  Thanx
From: fzjaffe@hamlet.ucdavis.edu (Rory Jaffe) Subject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Organization: University of California, Davis X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 Lines: 14  etxmow@garbo.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) writes: :  :    Isn't there a relatively new treatment for kidney stones involving :    a non-invasive use of ultra-sound where the patient is lowered :    into some sort of liquid when he/she undergoes treatment? I'm sure :    I've read about it somewhere. If I remember it correctly it is a :    painless and effective treatment. The use of shock waves (not ultrasound) to break up stones has been around for a few years.  Depending on the type of machine, and intensity of the shock waves, it is usually uncomfortable enough to require something...  The high-power machines cause enough pain to require general or regional anesthesia.  Afterwards, it feels like someone slugged you pretty good! 
From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) Subject: Re: Can't Breathe Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire Lines: 15  [reply to ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)]   >While you're right that the S vertebrae are attached to each other, >the sacrum, to my knowledge, *can* be adjusted either directly, or >by applying pressure on the pubic bone...   Ron, you're an endless source of misinformation!  There ARE no sacral vertebrae.  There is a bone called the sacrum at the end of the spine. It is a single, solid bone except in a few patients who have a lumbarized S1 as a normal variant.  How do you adjust a solid bone, break it?  No, don't tell me, I don't want to know.   David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu).  Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI This is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell
From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov  In article <1993Apr15.051746.29848@news.duc.auburn.edu>, snydefj@eng.auburn.edu (Frank J. Snyder) writes: > I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar >  Sails. [...] > Are there any groups out there currently involved in such a project ?  Sure.  Contact the World Space Foundation.  They're listed in the sci.space Frequently Asked Questions file, which I'll excerpt.      WORLD SPACE FOUNDATION - has been designing and building a solar-sail     spacecraft for longer than any similar group; many JPL employees lend     their talents to this project. WSF also provides partial funding for the     Palomar Sky Survey, an extremely successful search for near-Earth     asteroids. Publishes *Foundation News* and *Foundation Astronautics     Notebook*, each a quarterly 4-8 page newsletter. Contributing Associate,     minimum of $15/year (but more money always welcome to support projects).  	World Space Foundation 	Post Office Box Y 	South Pasadena, California 91301  WSF put together a little paperback anthology of fiction and nonfiction about solar sails: *Project Solar Sail*.  I think Robert Staehle, David Brin,  or Arthur Clarke may be listed as editor.  Also there is a nontechnical book on solar sailing by Louis Friedman, a technical one by a guy whose name escapes me (help me out, Josh), and I would expect that Greg Matloff and Eugene Mallove have something to say about the subject in *The Starflight Handbook*, as well as quite a few references.   Check the following articles in *Journal of the British Interplanetary Society*:  V36 p. 201-209 (1983) V36 p. 483-489 (1983) V37 p. 135-141 (1984) V37 p. 491-494 (1984) V38 p. 113-119 (1984) V38 p. 133-136 (1984)  (Can you guess that Matloff visited Fermilab and gave me a bunch of reprints? I just found the file.)  And K. Eric Drexler's paper "High Performance Solar Sails and Related Reflecting Devices," AIAA paper 79-1418, probably in a book called *Space Manufacturing*, maybe the proceedings of the Second (?) Conference on Space Manufacturing.  The 1979 one, at any rate.  Submarines, flying boats, robots, talking         Bill Higgins pictures, radio, television, bouncing radar       Fermilab vibrations off the moon, rocket ships, and        HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET atom-splitting-- all in our time.  But nobody     HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV has yet been able to figure out a music           SPAN:  43011::HIGGINS holder for a marching piccolo player.                       --Meredith Willson, 1948
From: lsacks@angelo.amd.com (Larry Sacks) Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. Lines: 29  jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:  >You are loosing.  [stuff deleted]  >Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will >be as safe as possible. Such as it is ...  Really?  How do you avoid situations which encourage criminals?  I'd really like to know.  Would you, say, prohibit female college students from riding their bicycles near the university during the daytime?    Sounds a bit drastic, doesn't it?  Especially when the university is locatd in a nice residential area.  A friend of mine was attacked and nearly raped in just this situation.  The police didn't feel she was in a situation which 'encouraged criminals'.  What do you think?  Should we just tell her, that it was her fault for daring to ride a bicycle in the middle of the day?  That she didn't avoid a situation that encouraged criminals?  If that's the case, then we'd all better put bars on our doors and windows and pray for a police state to keep us all safe.  Crime happens in all situations - there are no defined areas that criminals avoid.    Larry Sacks Advanced Micro Devices lsacks@angelo.amd.com
From: drohand@cad.gmeds.com (Dominic Drohan) Subject: Re: RE: Win NT - what is it??? Organization: EDS/Cadillac Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: cve385.ttp.cad.gmeds.com  >	Anyway, don't expect it soon.  Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to                                                       ^^^^^         My understanding was that Chicago **was** DOS 7.  >be >released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't  >be out >til '96. +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Dominic Drohan             EMAIL: drohand@cad.gmeds.com   | | Electronic Data Systems    PHONE: (313) 696-6315          | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | "If you'd like to talk for hours . . just go ahead now"   | | 			               - The Spin Doctors   | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | NOTE: The views and opinions expressed herein are mine,   | | and DO NOT reflect those of Electronic Data Systems Corp. | +-----------------------------------------------------------+
From: ali@cns.nyu.edu (Alan Macaluso) Subject: MICROPHONE PRE-AMP/LOW NOISE/PHANTOM POWERED Nntp-Posting-Host: liu.cns.nyu.edu Reply-To: ali@cns.nyu.edu Organization: New York University Lines: 13  I'm looking to build a microphone preamp that has very good low-noise characteristics,  large clean gain, and incorportates phantom power (20-48 volts (dc)) for a PZM microphone.  I'm leaning towards a good, low-cost (??) instrumentation amplifier to maintain the balanced input from the microphone, for its good CMRR, internal compensation, and because i can use a minimal # of parts.    Does anyone out there have any experience, suggestions, advice, etc...that they'd like to pass on, I'd greatly appreciate it.   --- A l a n  M a c a l u s o		 	PURPLE MOON GIANTS ali@cns.nyu.edu  				158 E. 7th. St. #B5 (212) 998-7837					NYC  10009 						(212) 982-6630  		 	        
From: sburton@dres.dnd.ca (Stan Burton) Subject: Re: Long distance IR detection Distribution: na Organization: Defence Research Establishment Suffield Lines: 31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Nntp-Posting-Host: stan Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newssoftware: GRn-beta 1.16g (04.01.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz Mime-Version: 1.0  In article <1993Apr22.060607.12380@macc.wisc.edu> jvannes@vms.macc.wisc.edu writes: > You are probably referring to the products of > > 		Opto Diode Corp. > 		750 Mitchell Road > 		Newbury Park Ca 91320 > 		805 499-0335 > > The make some amazing IRLED's.  The really high-powered devices are arrays of > 3, 6, or 9, LED's on a TO-66 header.  The 9-chip model puts out 6.5 Watts in > response to a 5 Amp, 10 uS. pulse at a .5% duty cycle.  I think  these are > designed as illuminators for IR vision systems.  Jeez, that should do it.  > I would also be interested in the application here.  I work with a Dance and > Technology program, and want to build something to track dancers on a 30 foot > wide stage from 50 feet away.  Very interesting application, controlled lighting and environment, moderate distances ... might be more interesting than my application.  Just a thought, you could use a roof mounted IR sender, similar in operation to a TV remote control that tells each persons coded IR pulser to send a pulse.  A Hamamatsu detector, as was mentioned in a previous message in this thread, would give the current position.  Store and collate this on a computer and you could replay the movements on the screen.  Interesting!  --  Stan Burton (DND/CRAD/DRES/DTD/MSS/AGCG)                 sburton@dres.dnd.ca (403) 544-4737     DRE Suffield, Box 4000, Medicine Hat, AB, Canada, T1A 8K6
From: farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) Subject: Springfield Indians/AHL office Organization: Clarkson University Lines: 32 Nntp-Posting-Host: craft.clarkson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]  Here is something crossposted from the AHL mailing list:			  In a discussion between me and Chris Lerch, the subject of Springfield's  1st round upset of the Providence Bruins came up. Chris basically raised the possibility that the AHL  hierarchy is biased in favor of the Indians. He noted that the offices for the league are in Spring. and many ex-Indians are working for the AHL. Furthermore, he also informed me that back a few years ago in the Cup  finals between Roch and Spring, that the Amerks charged favoritism by the office and that:  "...there were little questionable things liket he AHL president and staff attending all games with the Springfield brass, including sitting in their box for the game in Springfield and, according to the Rochester media, openly cheering for Springfield."  Certainly this is something that is quite serious if any of this is true. I don't know if this is anything more than whining on the part of the Amerks (they have pulled this sort of crap against the Wings before) but if true, this is somthing that seriously raises questions about President Jack Butterfield's leadership.  BTW- This was posted with the permission of Chris      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++     + Bri Farenell			farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu   +     + AHL, ECAC and Boston Bruins contact for rec.sport.hockey		   +     + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81  '86  '89  '92	   +     + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66  '91  '93		   +     + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90  '91       +     + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu +     ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) Subject: Re: mouse on COM3 under Windows 3.1 ? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 34 Reply-To: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu   In a previous article, jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) says:  >I've pursued and researched this question over the last month or so because I have the same requirements you do......and the long and short of it is that the windows mouse drivers don't accept mice at any but com1 and com2 using irq4 or irq3 unless you buy special drivers from someone who has them.....I've talked to Mouse Systems who say their driver doesn't support other than com1 and com2 as above , but who claim to be releasing one that will SOON!??. > >The other alternative seems to be possible, but in one case prohibitively expensive, i.e. 4 port card for $600??????!!, and in the other, the author(s) of PowerBBS for Windows claim to have a 4 port serial card with buffered 16550 UARTS and drivers for windows to match (i.e. com3 irq5) for $120...... > >The second paragraph is hearsay, because I haven't checked it out yet.....but intend to as soon as I can free up $120 <g> > >Hope this will save you some steps. > >  I had this problem when I first loaded windows.  My I/O card is for 2 HD's 2 FD's 1 Parrelel 2 serial (1 for mouse and 1 for my external modem) and a game port.  PROBLEM enters.  The DARN serial ports have no selection for  COM settings, they are stuck on 3 and 4.   Good card for HD's and FD's but lousy for serial.   I called Microsoft and other places.  The long and short of it is WINDOWS wants com1 and 2 ONLY!, for mouse selection. I went out and bought a small I/O card just for parrelel and serial. Now I have ALL 4 active COM ports and LPT1 and LPT2. This Half card was less than $20.  Mouse on COM 1  external modem on COM 2,  I disabled the LPT2 so I could use the interupt for my scanner card IRQ. C-ya..... /\/\artin   --    This communication is sent by    /\/\artin   University of Arizona Tucson   =========================================================================   ak333@cleveland.freenet.edu   mlinsenb@ccit.arizona.edu  mlinsenb@arizvms   DEATH HAS BEEN DEAD FOR ABOUT 2,000 YEARS ****** FOLLOW THE KING OF KINGS
From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Abyss: breathing fluids Article-I.D.: access.1psghn$s7r Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net  In article <C4t3K3.498@cck.coventry.ac.uk> enf021@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Achurist) writes: | |I believe the reason is that the lung diaphram gets too tired to pump |the liquid in and out and simply stops breathing after 2-3 minutes. |So if your in the vehicle ready to go they better not put you on  |hold, or else!! That's about it. Remember a liquid is several more times |as dense as a gas by its very nature. ~10 I think, depending on the gas |and liquid comparision of course!   Could you use some sort of mechanical chest compression as an aid. Sorta like the portable Iron Lung?   Put some sort of flex tubing around the 'aquanauts' chest.  Cyclically compress it  and it will push enough on the chest wall to support breathing?????  You'd have to trust your breather,  but in space, you have to trust your suit anyway.  pat
From: mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) Subject: Re: HELP ME INJECT... Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford) Lines: 5  According to a previous poster, one should seek a doctor's assistance for injections. But what about Sumatriptin [sp?]? Doesn't one have to inject oneself immediately upon the onset of a migraine? 
From: sdr@llnl.gov (Dakota) Subject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones .............. Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, NCD Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: eet1477-10780-t1477r1104.llnl.gov  In article <1993Apr21.143910.5826@wvnvms.wvnet.edu>  pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes: > My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she  has no > medical insurance, she cannot get them removed. >  > My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least  mitigate > their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to  literature, > etc...) >  > Thank you, >  > Dave Carvell > pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu  First, let me offer you my condolences.  I've had kidney stones 4 times  and I know the pain she is going through.  First, it is best that she see  a doctor.  However, every time I had kidney stones, I saw my doctor and the only thing they did was to prescribe some pain killers and medication for a urinary tract infection.  The pain killers did nothing for me...kidney stones are extremely painful.  My stones were judged passable, so we just waited it out.  However the last one took 10 days to pass...not fun.  Anyway, if she absolutely won't see a doctor, I suggest drinking lots of fluids and perhaps an over the counter sleeping pill.  But, I do highly suggest seeing a doctor. Kidney stones are not something to fool around with.  She should be x-rayed  to make sure there is not a serious problem.  Steve
From: ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) Subject: Re: Frequent nosebleeds Reply-To: ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) Organization: The National Capital Freenet Lines: 37   In a previous article, mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) says:  >In article <9304191126.AA21125@seastar.seashell> bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan) writes: >> >>My 6 year son is so plagued.  Lots of vaseline up his nose each night seems  >>to keep it under control.  But let him get bopped there, and he'll recur for  >>days!  Also allergies, colds, dry air all seem to contribute.  But again, the  >>vaseline, or A&D ointment, or neosporin all seem to keep them from recurring. >> >If you can get it, you might want to try a Canadian over-the-counter product >called Secaris, which is a water-soluble gel.  Compared to Vaseline or other >greasy ointments, Secaris seems more compatible with the moisture that's >already there. >  Secaris is reasonably inexpensive ($6.00 Cdn for a tube), and is indeed an over the counter medication. Why it does not appear to be available in the US, I don't know. It's manufactured in Montreal.  It's a nasal lubricant, and is intended to help nosebleeds that result from dry mucous membranes.  From some of the replies to my original posting, it's evident that some people do not secrete enough mucous to keep their nose lining protected from environmental influences (ie, dry air). But I've had no responses from anyone with experience with Rutin. Is there another newsgroup that might have specifics on herbal remedies?  But thanks to all those who did reply with their experiences. --  Robert Allison
From: w1gsl@athena.mit.edu (Steven L. 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From: dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu (Daniel Segard) Subject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Stan Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 98      seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) asks:  > What is the objection to celebration of Easter?          The objection naturally is in the way in which you phrase it.  Easter (or Eashtar or Ishtar or Ishtarti or other spellings) is the pagan whore goddess of fertility.  Therefore, your question to me is "what is the objection to celebration of the pagan whore goddess?"  When phrased that way I suspect (or at least I would HOPE) that it becomes immeadiately apparent what my objection to "celebrating" her would be.    > It is celebration of the resurrection of Jesus.         No, you are thinking perhaps of "Ressurection Sunday" I think.  (Though I'm not too crazy about the word "Sunday", but I certainly like this phrasing much better than envoking the name of the whore goddess.)      For that matter, stay Biblical and call it Omar Rasheet (The Feast of First Fruits).  Torah commands that this be observed on the day following the Sabbath of Passover week.  (Sunday by any other name in modern parlance.)  Why is there so much objection to observing the Resurrection on the 1st day of the week on which it actually occured?  Why jump it all over the calendar the way Easter does?  Why not just go with the Sunday following Passover the way the Bible has it?  Why seek after unbiblical methods?    > I don't recall a command in Scripture for us to celebrate  > the resurrection, but it is the sole and only reason that  > we are Christians--how could we not celebrate it?         So what does this question have to do with Easter (the whore goddess)?  I am all for celebrating the Resurrection.  Just keep that whore out of the discussion.    > If it is only the name which is a problem, I suggest that if  > we are too concerned about etymology, there are a lot of  > words we are going to have to drop.  (As an aside, some  > terminally PC people here in Ottawa want dictionaries to be  > altered so that there are no negative definitions associated  > with the word _black_, so as not to offend people of colour.          Yes, I have heard of your newspapers speaking of the need to repave streets with "Afro-Canadiantop".  <grin> (I still think "blacktop" sounds better though.)    > As a short person, I hope they will also remove the definition  > "curt or surly" associated with my physical description.)          Fine by me.  And while we are at it, the left-handed people are both "sinister" and "gauche" so we probably will have some objections from that quarter as well.    > In Quebec French, the word for the celebration of the  > resurrection is "Pa^ques"--this is etymologically related  > to Pesach (Passover) and the pascal lamb.  So is the  > French Canadian (mostly Roman Catholic) celebration better  > because it uses the right name?         Yes, that sounds much better to me.  Is there anyone out there would thinks that phrasing sounds worse?    > So from this I infer that there are different rules for  > Christians of Jewish descent?  What happened to "there is  > neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for  > all are one in Christ Jesus"?         Read the letter to Philemon.  Now tell me, was Philemon's "slave" returned to him?  Were there different rules upon the slave than upon Philemon?  How about male and female?  Are there different "rules" that apply to them as well?  Or if there is no more "male and female" can Adam and Steve get married to each other in your congregation?  Yes, there are differences in form and function.  But the way we come to Salvation in Messiah remains the same no matter what our position in life.   ---------------------------------------  [I am in general not in favor of continuing this discussion, as it seems repetitive, but this particular point is one that I believe is new -- the objection is not to having a holiday but to its name.  I'd like to suggest that people think very carefully about this argument.  Words often change their meaning over time.  The days of the week are of course originally based on pagan gods.  Some Christians prefer to refer to "first day", "second day", etc.  However the majority of Christians have not been persuaded.  The question seems to be whether it makes any difference what the dictionary shows as the derivation of a word, if what people mean by it and think when they use it is different.  Indeed I'd like to suggest that postings like this could themselves be dangerous.  Suppose people in general use Easter to mean the celebration of Christ's resurrection.  Postings trying to convince them that they really mean a celebration in honor of some godess run the risk of creating exactly the situation that they claim to oppose. They are doing their best to *create* a linkage in people's minds between their celebration and the pagan goddess.  It's not clear that this is a healthy thing.  --clh]
From: bdown@vis.toronto.edu (Brian Down) Subject: Re: Barasso - the cheap shot master? Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto Lines: 27  Robert Angelo Pleshar <rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:  >After watching the Pengiuns all year (and as many other teams as >possible), I've really noticed an increase in Tom Barasso's cheap shots >this year (and not noticed a corrsponding increase with other >goaltenders).  Have a look at Ed Belfour.  >He also KICKED John McLean. Of >course he wasn't called for that.   Belfour kicked Gerrard Gallant when the Wings played the 'Hawks a couple of weeks ago. No penalty. No review. No suspension. This was after he attacked Bob Probert in the previous period. He was penalized for that.  >There's no doubt in >my mind that Barasso is the dirtiest golatender since Hextall. >He's also very good.  Likewise Belfour. Too bad he goes down so much! :-)  >Ralph  Brian Down (bdown@vis.toronto.edu) 
From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians Organization: National Association for the Disorganized Lines: 39  phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au writes:  >In article <Apr.13.00.08.07.1993.28379@athos.rutgers.edu>, aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes:  >This is not true.  The athiest's position is that there is no PROOF of the >existence of God.  As much as some people accept their Church, their priests >or straight from their own scriptures as the "proof", this does not  >satisfy atheists.    You haven't fully explained the atheist position.  Many theists believe that there is "no proof of the existence of God" but choose to believe in him anyway.  I haven't yet found an argument for atheism that can't quickly be broken down to unprovable assumptions.  This isn't a problem with me (everybody needs to have a faith) but if you believe that you can provide a "purely  logical" argument for the nonexistence of God, I'd really like to see it.  >Are you asking us to believe blindly?  You are trying to deny that part of >us that makes us ask the question "Does God exist?" i.e. self-awareness and >reason.  If we do not use our ability to reason we become as ignorant >as the other animals on this earth.  Does God want us to be like that?  >You are right that science and reason cannot PROVE anything.  However, if >we do not use them we can only then believe on FAITH alone.  And since >we can only use faith, why is one picture of "God" (e.g. Hinduism) any less >valid than another (e.g. Christianity)?    Ahh...but when you use science and reason, you have faith in certain beliefs of the scientific method--for example:    The physical laws of the universe are stable.   Our observations of reality are a valid basis for a determination of truth.   Objective reality exists.   Logical argument is a valid way to answer all questions.      Can you prove any of these?  Alan Terlep				    "...and the scorpion says, 'it's  Oakland University, Rochester, MI		in my nature.'" atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu	
From: Tony Lezard <tony@mantis.co.uk> Subject: Re: atheist? Distribution: world Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. Lines: 50  I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes:  > In article <ii1i2B1w165w@mantis.co.uk> > Tony Lezard <tony@mantis.co.uk> writes: >   > (Deletion) > > > >My opinion is that the strong atheist position requires too much > >belief for me to be comfortable with. Any strong atheists out there > >care to comment?  >[...] > Humans just come up with the idea of a spiritual parent. It is one > of the artifacts of human thought. The evidence for that is quite > overwhelming. And the information content of the conceived is vanishing. >   > In other words, if there were gods, they would hardly make sense, and > it is possible to explain the phenomenon of religion without gods. >   > The concept is useless, and I don't have to introduce new assumptions > in order to show that. >   > No leap of faith required for me. Your mileage may vary.  Yes I fully agree with that, but is it "I don't believe gods exist", or "I believe no gods exist"? As MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) pointed out, it all hinges on what you take the word "believe" to mean.  Unfortunately this is bound up in the definitions of strong and weak atheism, at least according to the FAQ:  # Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence of God. # Some atheists go further, and believe that God does not exist.  The former is # often referred to as the "weak atheist" position, and the latter as "strong # atheism". #  # It is important to note the difference between these two positions.  "Weak # atheism" is simple scepticism; disbelief in the existence of God.  "Strong # atheism" is a positive belief that God does not exist.  Please do not # fall into the trap of assuming that all atheists are "strong atheists".  (From mathew's "An Introduction to Atheism" version 1.2 last modified 5-Apr-93)  Should the FAQ be clarified to try to pin down this notion of "belief"? Can it?  --  Tony Lezard IS tony@mantis.co.uk OR tony%mantis.co.uk@uknet.ac.uk OR things like tony%uk.co.mantis@uk.ac.nsfnet-relay OR (last resort) arl10@phx.cam.ac.uk PGP 2.2 public key available on request. 
From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: Florida State University Lines: 227  Someone sent me this FAQ by E-mail and I post my response here.  [I'm not enforcing the inclusion limits on this FAQ because most of our readers probably haven't seen it.  --clh]  Christ warns that anyone who "breaks one of the least of these commandments *and* teaches otheres to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. 5:19.  This FAQ is so full of error that I must respond to it.  I hope that whoever maintains will remove from it the partisan theology.  | > Brothers and Sisters, | >  | >   Being new to the faith and examining the Decalogue closely, I've noticed the | > fourth commandment is pretty specific about "keeping the Sabbath day."  It | > states the 7th day( Saturday ) is the Sabbath while most Christian religions | > keep( or atleast go to church ) on Sunday.  What's up? |  | This is a frequently asked question.  Every time it arises, it causes | months of debate.  So let me see if I can answer you directly. | Basically it's because the Law was given to Moses as part of a | specific covenanent with the Jews.  Most of us aren't Jews, so we | aren't part of that covenant.  There was an argument early in | Christian history about whether the Mosaic laws should apply to | Gentiles who became Christians.  You can see the account of this | debate in Acts 15.  The main question there was circumcision, but | keeping the Sabbath would be part of it as well.  The apostles | concluded that we need not become Jews in order to become Christians, | and therefore that rules such as circumcision did not apply to us.  1.  The law was known to man before it was revealed on Mount Sinai.  Rom 4:15 notes that "where no law is, there is no transgression."  Not only did sin exist before Sinai (Eden), but the Sabbath was kept before it was revealed on Sinai (Ex 16).  2.  The problem with the first covenant was not the law, but the promise which undergirded it.  God wanted to perform his will in the lives of the people, but in their ignorance after 400 years of slavery, they promised "what ever He says to do we will do."  That is why the new covenant is based on "better promises" (Heb. 8:6).  Rather than do away with the law God promised to "put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts" (Heb. 8:10).  3.  Including the Sabbath in the Acts 15 is selective inclusion.  The Sabbath was more important to the Jews than circumcision.  If any attempt had been made to do away with the Sabbath the reaction would have been even more strident than is recorded in Acts 15.  Do not confuse the weekly Sabbath of the Decalogue with the ceremonial sabbaths which could occur at any time of the week and were part of the law (ceremonial) which was *added* because of transgression (of the moral law) (Gal 3:19).  4.  Israel stands for God's people of all time.  That is why God *grafted* the Gentiles in.  Roma 9:4 says that the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God and the promises belong to Israelites.   In explanation Paul makes it clear that being born into Israel is not enough "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel" v 6.  Then in Gal 3:19 he says "if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."  All Christians are Abraham's seed, Jews, Israelites.  Not physically, for that is not the criterion, but spiritually.  We are joint heirs with Jesus based on the promise God made to all his people the Israelites.  |  | While Christians agree that the OT Laws do not all apply to us, | because some of them are part of a specific covenanent with the Jews, | we also expect to see some similarity between the things God expected | from the Jews and the things he expects from us.  After all, it's the | same God.  However there are several ways of dealing with this. |  | These days the most common approach is to separate the OT commandments | into "moral" and "ceremonial".  Ceremonial commandments apply only to | the Jews.  They are part of the specific Mosaic covenant.  These are | thinsg like the kosher laws and circumcision.  Moral laws apply to | everyone.  Most of the 10 commands are part of the moral law, except | for the commandment about the Sabbath.  I believe most people who take | this approach would say that the specific requirement to worship on | the Sabbath is part of the ceremonial law, but a general obligation to | worship regularly is part of the general moral law.  Thus Christians | are free to choose the specific time we worship.  People would probably agree but they are wrong.  How can the Sabbath commandment be ceremonial when it is part of a law which predates the ceremonial laws?  You are not free to choose your time of worship.  Even if you were why do you follow a day of worship which has its origins in pagan sun worship.  Would you rather give up a day which God blessed, sanctified, and hallowed in exchange for one which all church leaders agree has not biblical foundation (see Sabbath Admissions in soc.religion.christian.bible-study). |  | A more radical approach (which is generally connected with John Calvin | and the Reformed tradition) says that the Law as a whole is no longer | binding.  Instead, we are entirely under grace, and our behavior | should be guided solely by love.  Portions of the OT Law are still | useful as guidance.  But they are not properly speaking legally | binding on us.  In practice most people who take this position do not | believe it is safe to leave Christians without moral guidannce.  While | we may no longer be under Law, as sinners, it's not safe for us to go | into situations with no principles to guide us.  We're too good at | self-justification for that to be safe.  Thus Christians do have moral | guidance, from things like Jesus' teachings, Paul's advice, etc. | These may not be precisely a Law, but they serve much the same | function as, and have largely the same content as, the "moral law" in | the previous analysis.  While Calvin would deny that we have a fixed | legal responsibility to worship on any specific day, he would say that | given human weakness, the discipline of regular worship is important. |  I do not care what Calvin or any theologian says.  My guide is what God says.  If being not under the law means we do not have to keep the law, why is it that the only section of the law we have trouble with is the Sabbath commandment, which is the only one God thought was important enough to say *REMEMBER*?  If you study the word deeply you will note that the message is that we are no longer under the condemnation of the law but freed by the grace of God.  If a cop pulls me over for speeding, then in court I ask for mercy and the judge does not throw the book at me but gives me grace, do I walk out of the court saying "I can now go on speeding, for I am now under grace?"  Being under grace I now drive within the speed limit.  Paul adds to it in Rom. 3:31 "Di we then make void the law through faith?  God forbid: yea, we establish the law."  "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good" (Rom. 7:12).  | In both analyses, the specific day is not an issue.  As a matter of | tradition, we worship on Sunday as a memorial of Christ's | resurrection.  There's some debate about what Acts shows about early | Christian worship.  The most common analysis is that is shows Jewish | Christians continuing to go to Jewish services on the Sabbath, but | that specifically Christian service were not necessarily held then. | Act 20:7 shows worship on the first day (Sunday), and I Cor 16:2 also | implies gatherings on that day. |  | There are a few groups that continue to believe Christians have to | worship on the Sabbath (Saturday).  The best-known are the Seventh-Day | Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses.  They argue that Act 20:7 is not a | regular worship service, but a special meeting to see Paul off, and | that I Cor 16:2 doesn't explicitly say it's a regular worship service.  Do you prefer implication to fact?  A careful study of the Acts 20 shows that the meeting was on Saturday night and that on Sunday morning Paul did not go to a worship service, but set off on a long journey by foot to Assos.  In ICor 16 there is no way you can equate "lay by him in store" with "go to a worship service." |  | It's clear that this issue was a contested one in Paul's time.  See | Rom 14:5.  Paul's advice is that we should be very careful about | judging each other on issues like this.  One person sees a specific | day as mandated by God, while another does not.  He who observes that | specific day does it in honor of the Lord.  He who believes his | worship is free of such restrictions also does it in honor of the | Lord.  (Those who believe that the Sabbath is still mandated argue | that Paul is not referring to Sabbath worship here.  Note however Col | 2:16, which says something similar but briefer.  It explicitly | mentions Sabbath.)  Wrong.  These are the sabbath days of the ceremonial law, not the Sabbath day of the moral law. |  | There are some differences among Christians about use of the word | "Sabbath".  Originally the term referred to the 7th Day, the Jewish | day of worship.  Many Christians now use it to refer to Sunday, the | day of Christian worship.  They do this largely so that they can apply | the 4th (or whatever -- there are a couple of different numbering | schemes) commandment to it.  Reformed tradition does not do this.  It | distinguishes between the Sabbath -- which is the observance mandated | for Jews, and the Lord's Day -- which is the free Christian worship. | (The only reference I can find to this in the NT is Rev 1:10.)  There | are also differences about laws regarding this day.  Many Christians | support "blue laws", both in secular law and church law, setting aside | that day and causing people to spend it in worship.  The more radical | anti-legal approach sees such regulations as a return to the Jewish | Sabbath, which is not appropriate to the free Christian worship of the | Lord's Day. |  Why would you prefer to twist and turn, relying on different arguments which conflict with each other, rather than obey a simple request from a God who loved you enough to die for you.  Jesus died because the law could not be changed.  Why bother to die in order to meet the demands of a broken law if all you need to do is change the law.  Penalties for law breaking means the law is immutable.  That is why it is no sin not to follow the demands of the ceremonial laws.  It will always be a sin to make false gods, to violate God's name, to break the Sabbath, to steal, to kill, etc.  Except it you disagree.  But then your opinion has no weight when placed next to the word of God.  Darius  [It's not clear how much more needs to be said other than the FAQ.  I think Paul's comments on esteeming one day over another (Rom 14) is probably all that needs to be said.  I accept that Darius is doing what he does in honor of the Lord.  I just wish he might equally accept that those who "esteem all days alike" are similarly doing their best to honor the Lord.  However I'd like to be clear that I do not think there's unambiguous proof that regular Christian worship was on the first day.  As I indicated, there are responses on both of the passages cited.  The difficulty with both of these passages is that they are actually about something else.  They both look like they are talking about nnregular Christian meetings, but neither explicitly says "and they gathered every Sunday for worship".  We get various pieces of information, but nothing aimed at answering this question.    Act 2:26 describes Christians as participating both in Jewish temple worship and in Christian communion services in homes.  Obviously the temple worship is on the Sabbath.  Acts 13:44 is an example of Christians participating in them.  Unfortunately it doesn't tell us what day Christians met in their houses.  Acts 20:7, despite Darius' confusion, is described by Acts as occuring on Sunday.  (I see no reason to impose modern definitions of when days start, when the Biblical text is clear about what was meant.)  The wording implies to me that this was a normal meeting.  It doesn't say they gathered to see Paul off, but that when they were gathered for breaking bread, Paul talked about his upcoming travel.  But that's just not explicit enough to be really convincing.  Similarly with 1 Cor 16:2.  It says that on the first day they should set aside money for Paul's collection.  Now if you want to believe that they gathered specially to do this, or that they did it in their homes, I can't disprove it, but the obvious time for a congregation to take an offering would be when they normally gather for worship, and if they were expected to do it in their homes there would be no reason to mention a specific day. So I think the most obvious reading of this is that "on the first day of every week" simply means every time they gather for worship.    I think the reason we have only implications and not clear statements is that the NT authors assumed that their readers knew when Christian worship was.  --clh]
From: PETCH@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck) Subject: Daily Verse Lines: 5      When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen:  Luke 19:37
From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Long term Human Missions Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 46  jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy) writes:  >ward@pashosh.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il (Ward Paul) wrote: >> >1.	Calculators >> >2.	Teflon (So your eggs don't stick in the pan) >> >3.	Pacemakers (Kept my grandfather alive from 1976 until 1988) >>  >> I don't think touting contributions is a good idea.  World War II produced >> many many beneficial spinoffs.  Eg. Radar, jet aeroplanes, rocket technology. >> I don't think anyone would argue that World War II was, in and of itself, >> a good thing. >>  >> If you want people to back the space program it must be a good thing in >> and of itself.  >I disagree with what to tout, although I agree that the space program is >inherently a good thing.  Most people today only care about "what will it >cost me?" and "what's in it for me?" and could care less about whether >something is simply worthwhile in and of itself.  Our society has become >increasingly geared toward the short-term (which you could read as NOW!).  >They couldn't care less about next week, much less next century.  They want >something to show for the expenditure and they want it *now*.  I think to some extent this is a case of stooping to their level.  You assume that the general public "can't handle the truth" and then, based on this  assumption, go for the fluff arguments.  Then someone, who can understand a good argument, comes along and asks "why don't you just develop the spinoffs?" or "why can't we just get our spinoffs from some other program, like the military?"  There are some good arguments for space development without relying on its side effects.  I'm not ignoring the value of spinoffs.  I simply think that the general public deserves more credit than you give them.  >BTW: don't forget Velcro...  And if you're going to use spinoffs you better make darn sure you are right. Teflon has been around since before NASA.  As I understand it, Velcro was  conceptualized by a french doctor who went walking in the woods and took the trouble to wonder how burrs stick to your clothes.  Certainly velcro was  available on hiking equipment by the early to mid sixties.  I would need to  see some good evidence before I believe that either of these would not be here today without NASA.  --  Josh Hopkins                                          jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 		    "Find a way or make one." 	             -attributed to Hannibal
From: nabil@cae.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub) Subject: Re: Monophysites and Mike Walker Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering Lines: 83  In article <May.10.05.08.01.1993.3602@athos.rutgers.edu> db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes: >Nabil Ayoub writes: > >>As a final note, the Oriental Orthodox and Eastren Orthodox did sign a >>common statement of Christology, in which the heresey of >Monophysitism >>was condemned. So the Coptic Orthodox Church does not believe in >>Monophysitism. > >Sorry! > >What does the Coptic Church believe about the will and energy of Christ? > Were there one or were there two (i.e. Human and Divine) wills and >energies in Him. > >Also, what is the objection ot the Copts with the Pope of Rome (i.e. why >is there a Coptic Catholic Church)?  Do you reject the supreme >jurisdiction of the 263rd sucessor of St. Peter (who blessed St. John >Mark, Bishop of Alexandria was translator for) and his predecessors?  Or >his infallibility?  Or what other things perhaps?  For your first set of questions (regarding the energy and will of Christ) I quote to you the relevant part of the Statement signed by both Eastern (Chalcedonian) and Oriental (non-Chalcedonian) Orthodox scholars a few years ago (Both families = both Orthodox churches) :  1. Both  families  agreed in  condemning  the Eutychian heresy. Both  families confess that the Logos, the Second Person  of the Holy  Trinity, only begotten of the Father before the ages  and consubstantial with  Him, was incarnate and was born from the Virgin Mary Theotokos; fully consubstantial with us, perfect man with soul, body and mind  ($  \nu o  \upsilon \zeta $); He  was crucified, died, was  buried and rose  from the dead on  the third day, ascended   to the Heavenly Father, where He sits on the right hand of the Father as  Lord of all creation. At  Pentecost, by the coming of  the  Holy Spirit He  manifested the Church as His Body. We look forward to His coming again in the fullness of His glory, according to the Scriptures.  2. Both  families condemn the  Nestorian heresy and the crypto-Nestorianism of Theodoret of  Cyrus. They agree that it  is not sufficient merely  to say that Christ is consubstantial both with His Father  and with us, by  nature God and by nature man; it is necessary to affirm also that the Logos, Who is by nature God,  became by  nature   man, by His  incarnation  in the fullness  of  time.  3. Both families agree  that the Hypostasis of the  Logos became  composite by uniting to His divine uncreated nature with its natural will and energy, which He has  in common with  the Father and  the Holy Spirit, created human nature, which He assumed  at the Incarnation  and made  His own, with its natural will and energy.  4. Both families agree  that the natures  with their proper energies and wills    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ are united hypostatically and  naturally   without confusion, without  change, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ without  division and without separation,  and that they are distinguished  in ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ thought alone. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^  5. Both families agree that He who wills and acts is always the one Hypostasis of the Logos Incarnate.  [...]  I guess that adresses your question adequately.  As for your second set of questions, I am afraid they are irrelevant to the discussion (at least from my point of view) of Monophysitism. I do not see how they relate to the topic we are discussing (other than to start an endless Orthodox-RC debate which I do not plan to engage into). As a brief answer to your questions, the position of the Coptic Orthodox Church  regarding the Roman pontiff, his jurisdiction, his infalability, etc. is exactly the same as all the other Orthodox churches.  Peace,  Nabil            .-------------------------------------------------------------.          /  Nabil Ayoub                        ____/   __  /    ____/  /         /  Engine Research Center             /       /   /    /      /        /  Dept. of Mechanical Engineering    ___/    __  /    /      /       /  University of Wisconsin-Madison    /       /   |    /      /      /  Email:ayoub@erctitan.me.wisc.edu  _____/ __/   _|  _____/  /     '-------------------------------------------------------------'
From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) Subject: Re: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements Organization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University. Lines: 48  >NEWSPAPER AD CENSORSHIP > >The newspapers have now decided to censor gun ads - which is why you no longer >see the ads that Traders, San Leandro, has run for many years. > >If you are tired of newspapers who run sex and liquor ads galor, yet refuse to >run legitimate gun ads, please send a letter to the editors indicating your >displeasure over their censorship doctrine. > >Following is a list of Bay area newspapers who censor gun ads.  Perhaps you'd >like to send them your thoughts on this issue! > >Contra Costa Times	San Mateo Times		San Francisco Chronicle >POB 5088		POB 5400		901 Mission St. >Walnut Creek, CA 94596	San Mateo, CA 94402	San Francisco, CA 94103 > >San Fran. Independent	San Fran. Examiner	San Jose Mercury News >1201 Evans Ave		110 5th St.		750 Ridder Park Dr. >San Fran., CA 94124	San Fran., CA 94103	San Jose, CA 95190  I have the April 15, 1993 issue of the SF Chronicle in my lap.  Page E7 (in the "Sporting Green" section) has a Trader's advert.  (The copy is a bit screwed up - it says that the prices offered expire 4-14-93, but the ad is there.)  The SF Examiner and Chronicle run the same set of adverts (because they have a joint printing/biz agreement and differ only in editorial content).  I've seen gun ads recently in the merc, which is anti-gun editorially, albeit not from traders, but from its competitors.  I don't know about the other papers.  Does Traders claim that things are changing?  When?  >- Why TV journalists lie  Because it's easier than telling the truth and no one much cares either way.  >Let me know if you write to any of these bozos.  Before you do, make sure that the bozos are actually doing what you're accusing them of.  -andy --
Subject: Re: Who picks first? From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 11  In article <1993Apr17.181421.14349@epas.toronto.edu>, sclark@epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Clark) writes: > 	According to THE FAN here in T.O., Ottawa has won the Daigle e > sweepstakes.  They didn't mention why, but San Jose had more goals > than the Sen-sens, so I have a hunch this is why Ottawa would pick > first.....  If I'm not mistaken, San Jose had more wins than Ottawa. First tiebreaker in the NHL is always most wins.  								Alan 
From: u95_dgold@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu Subject: EMI filter, What's in it? Lines: 8 Organization: Stevens Institute Of Technology  Could someone tell me what's in a Cornell-Dubilier EMI Filter FIL 3363-001?  It is rated at 13A 115/250VAC 50/60HZ.  Is it just MOV's and ferrite?  Dave  /  n2mxx Stevens Institute of Technology Hoboken, New Jersey
Organization: Arizona State University From: Shooting Club at ASU <GUNDEVIL@ASUACAD.BITNET> Subject:    Children/Firearm, etc. Injury Articles Wanted Lines: 18     One of our ASU students needs data and or a copy or an article regarding  accidents, injury or death to "children" (articles which state the age  limits of "children") relating to firearms for a sociology report.   We have a copy of the long Edgar A. Suter, M.D. article and but we can't find  the Paul Blackman (NRA) "expose'".   Any articles (or sections thereof) which deal with comparisons over time,  locations, age groups, other reasons for accidents, injury or death, with  percentages would be welcome.   Please send same to our I.D. and node.   Thanks in advance !  -Tom Crise 
From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Waco survivors 1715 19 April Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. Lines: 67 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com  In article <22APR199317092767@zeus.tamu.edu>, mst4298@zeus.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd) writes:  > >David Koresh's lawyer seemed to think that everyone *would* come out > >peacefully sooner or later.  The FBI and ATF had NOTHING BUT TIME ON > >THEIR HANDS!  Why did they have to escalate the situation and cause > >this senseless tragedy?  Their job is to protect the public and SAVE > >LIVES NOT KILL PEOPLE for crying out loud. >  > 	Koresh had lied and lied and lied about coming out of the > 	compound. To the FBI. To his lawyer. To just about everyone.  I keep hearing this, but every assertion of this form has come from government sources except two.  As far as I am concerned, I am not ready to stipulate that Koresh EVER promised to come out except for his first promise and his last promise.  The first promise was conditional on his audio tape being given  NATIONAL exposure.  Well, it never was -- it was broadcast locally, in a chopped-up fashion, and that's all.  And even then, they cleverly  cut it off when it got to the part where he demanded "national exposure," but not so cleverly that we didn't hear it.  The last promise was conditional on the finishing of his manuscript. We'll never know if he would have kept that one.  > 	The FBI etc. can't wait forever for Koresh to come out. As > 	long as they thought that Koresh's intended to surrender  > 	peacefully. When they lost hope in that, they decided to go > 	in.   Strangely enough, the previous day they said they were prepared to "wait as long as it takes."  >	Further, while the Mondays tactics were silly and clumsy, >	they were obviously intended to drive the Davidians out of the > 	compound, not to kill Koresh and his followers.   Quite possible.  But arguments of intent do not mark the dividing  line between guilt and innocence -- only the line between murder and  negligent manslaughter.  > 	*If* it is true. *I* read in the paper that the government  > 	listening devices inside the compound picked up orders to  > 	burn the joint down shortly before the fire was started. I'm > 	waiting to see what the tapes really hold.  This would be an interesting development.  > 	The Davidian may be telling the truth, or he may be lying > 	to save his skin from possible murder charges resulting from > 	the blaze. Koresh's lawyer, being the attorney for at least > 	one surviving Davidian, has an interest in claiming that > 	the gov't caused the fire, at least as much as the gov't > 	has an interest in blaming Koresh for the fire. It's the > 	physical evidence that will decide who's telling what.  It's too tempting for one or more of the survivors to "go state's evidence," parrot the FBI story, hang the whole "suicide" on Koresh,  claim they only stayed at gunpoint, etc.  If any of them do this in the next few weeks, it doesn't prove much; but if none of them do, it would be a strong indication to me that the FBI story is dead wrong. --   cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company, OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet... 
From: msunde01@mik.uky.edu (Mark  Underwood) Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected. Article-I.D.: ms.C5wKKJ.42I Reply-To: msunde01@mik.uky.edu Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 155 Nntp-Posting-Host: nx34.mik.uky.edu  In article <1993Apr22.163605.24784@csus.edu> kschang@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu   (Kuo-Sheng (Kasey) Chang) writes: >  > There are several types of copy protection, and the point is to make   sure the > user is using a legitimate copy.  The simplest and virtually fool-proof   way is > for the program to somehow fixate itself to the machine it was installed   on > (some sort of checksum, serial number, whatever) so a copy put on a   different > machine (NOT installed from original disks) will not work.   >   Okay, so what do you do if some part of the machine (presumably the part   on which the code number or whatever that the program has fixated itself   upon goes bad, you replace that part, and now your program won't run   because it's on a "different" computer???  This is, of course, assuming that the program uses something in ROM (like   the BIOS serial number, maybe?) and not a disk-based code number.    Obviously if the drive goes bad you'll be reinstalling the stuff anyway.  I work in a computer lab which is part of the university microlab system.    We have the wonderfully fun task of maintaining well over a hundred   machines, both PC and Macintosh, as well as administering a network of   over 50 NeXT machines.  I personally am concerned only with a small lab   with ten PC's and ten Mac's.  (I'm not the manager, but help him with   admin often).  IMHO, copy-protection schemes of ANY sort are nothing more   than a major headache for the legitimate user.  Anyone who wants a copy of   your program and doesn't care about legality will get a copy.  Period.    "Pirate board" or no pirate board.  I too have "friends" who blatantly and   quite successfuly "hack" copy protection schemes practically in their   sleep.  Let's consider what goes on in our lab.  Almost daily we have at least one   machine down, sometimes several, due to some goofball screwing up some   setting or other on a piece of software.  Admittedly, we (being students,   mostly) are not the world's most efficient and effective network   administrators, but we try.  Keeping even the twenty machines that are   (partly) my responsibility even vaguely looking and "acting" similar to   the average user, and maintaining "behind-the-scenes" consistency is a   real headache, but not so bad a headache as trying to remember twenty   different folder locations of Norton Utilities when some guy trashes his   disk.  Often we have hardware problems at peak "business" times and have to do   some parts-swapping to get stuff working temporarily. . . .  Well, I'll cut to the chase and quit boring y'all . . ..  The point is, often we have to re-install software and copy configuration   files etc. from machine to machine.  By far the easiest way we have found   to do this is to get ONE machine working EXACTLY the way we want to, then   COPY the complete setup of this machine to the other nine (of that   machine's type).  This ensures us that (for at least ten minutes) we have   ten IDENTICAL machines to work with.  Having them networked simplifies   this considerably, as our major packages (WordPerfect, Windows, etc.) are   all network versions and thus only one copy to mess with.  Often, however, we need to install a package requested by some instructor   to one, some, or all of the machines for a special project.  This is   usually a hand-written or shareware,etc. program similar to what I believe   the original poster was asking about.  The few we have had with "copy   protection" schemes have caused nothing but NIGHTMARES for us to maintain    . .  In short, don't waste your time with a copy protection scheme.  It's sort   of like outlawing guns.  The criminals will get your program anyway, and   you will only be hurting the legitimate, honest user.  Write a good user's   guide and tech manual, whatever else for your program (PLEASE do this   REGARDLESS of whether you copy protect the thing!!!), and only distribute   the manual to LICENSED users.  Jack the price to cut your losses, but   please take a cue from the major companies (who can admittedly afford the   costs of illegal copies far better than you) and don't burden the   legitimate user with a "copy protection" scheme!   Sorry for the tirade, but it's been a long day here . . .. :-)   Mark S. Underwood EE Student, University of Kentucky Lab Assistant, Boyd Hall Microlab  	(a tiny little division of UK Library Microlabs) E-Mail:  msunde01@mik.uky.edu     > The program is definitely backupable, if restored to the same machine   (depends > on the programmer...  don't use a disk drive characteristic!)  If the   user  > did an upgrade to the machine, he/she should reinstall all programs any   way. > No document look-up, no disk wear-and-tear! >  > I did not say that the originals would allow only one install.  The   user's  > conscience should do that. >  > I know, I'll get flamed for this...  But with the increasing number of   "casual" > users who either unknowingly or don't care about the software copyrights > (It's the truth.  I have "friends" who ask me for copies of my latest   games > all the time, and when I refused, they went after somebody else.),   casual > pirating is becoming more of a problem.  Some sort of copy protection   will > discourage the casual copying.  I've seen what some of my "friends" dug   up > somewhere...  Latest and the greatest games, all cracked, WITHIN days of   actual > release!  You know how many bytes you need to change in X-wing to   disable > the quiz?  TWO!  Yes, TWO!  (And don't ask me which ones they are.)    Determined > pirates are unstoppable, given enough time, but their results do not   spread  > that far, since pirate boards are not that well-known, and easily   tracked once > found by authorities.  It is the "casual" pirates that the copy   protection is > determined to discourage. >  > What I believe the companies should do is implement the above plus > a special patch once the user registers that loudly exclaims upon bootup > "REGISTERED TO XXXXX -- address, city, state zip" and disables the   above. > Two benefits: 1) encourages registration, 2) cuts down on pirating and > makes it more traceable, because if the patch's registration message is > encrypted, it will be quite hard to change, and therefore provides a > stable trail of who allowed their copy out of their hands, and thus > violated their license agreement. >  > This way, the legitimate users who does not register will experience   minimal  > discomfort (who does major upgrades to their computer frequently?) as   only > problem they have is they won't be able to restore to another computer. >  > The registered users would have proven they are legitmate users and   therefore > gains full rights, and can restore to different machines.  On the other   hand, > the software company now have a record of where THIS particular copy is  > supposed to be.  If this user's copy was found to be somewhere it was   not  > supposed to be, we know who has broken their license agreement.  Of   course, > a hacker can break that eventually, but that's not the point, is it? >  > --Kasey Chang
From: glenne@sr.hp.com (Glenn Elmore) Subject: Re: Single chip receiver for FSK? Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2] Lines: 78  John Ackermann x 2966 (jra@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM) wrote: : My next project is to come up with an IF/detector module for fast -- 112 : to 250 kB/sec -- packet radio use.  No fancy modulation scheme, just : wide FSK for use at 902 or 1296 MHz.  : I'm a bit familiar with the Motorola 3362 chip, but I wonder if there : are newer designs that might work at higher input frequencies.  : My goal is to come up with an inexpensive design for a receiver "back : end" with IF input on one end and an FSK demondulator on the other.  I'm : particularly interested in ways to use a higher IF than 10.7 -- do any : current chips work up to, say 150MHz with internal downconversion so a : normal IF filter can be used?  : Any suggestions?  : John    What you describe is very close to what I built and described in the 10th ARRL Computer Network Conference proceedings.    I built 10 watt FSK transceivers at 904 MHz.  They are essentially double conversion transverters with digital mod and demod at 29 MHz. The receiver uses the MC13055 which is the same FSK receiver chip I used previouslyu in the 2 Mbps 10 GHz data link I first published in Ham Radio and which is now also in the ARRL handbook.    The MC3356, which includes a VHF converter section, could also be used at these speeds.  There is a newer and perhaps slightly improved design of this (the MC13056 if I remember rightly).    While using this would have let me reduce the "external" IF count on receive, it didn't really offer all that much help on transmit so I didn't bother with it.    The radios I built were first designed and built for 512 kbps in a 2 MHz channel but later reduced to half that.  These 256 kbps radios actually have done quite well in across-the-bench tests at 384 kbps and speed is pretty much a function of filter design.  Handling the data stream is another matter entirely.    Some of the existing radios are currently deployed on hilltops in a "beacon" test mode.  While there is not yet end-end two-way data flow due to lack of resources to debug software for the digital hardware (MIO also shown in the CNC proceedings), data is perfect copy at n6gn.  Even though the data clock is currently at about half speed, the a 2+ kbytes of the test text (chapter 55 of Isaiah) takes only a little over 1/8 of a second.    I've been hoping that someone would get interested enough to step in and get involved in writing code to make the whole thing usable (Borland IDE environment with remote debugging possible as mentioned in the proceedings) but to date a couple of us have been on our own and running low on resources of time, money and energy.    If anyone in the SF bay area wants to check it out there is also a CW ID after the text on the mark side at 904.740 MHz from beacons on Sonoma Mtn and Black Mtn (overlooking Si valley).  The antenna is horizontally polarized.    I guess in retrospect my suggestions are that this is a fairly costly approach if the radios are intended for users rather than backbones and you might want to carefully consider your "target".  If you can't arrange your paths such that you have complete line-of-sight I think you'll want to address the inter-symbol-interference caused by multipath and probably link C/N budgets if paths are very far from LOS. For more details, see the 10th CNC.  I'm currently working on a spread spectrum, direct conversion design to address some of these problems. I'd be glad to help as I can with any design problems.  73 Glenn Elmore n6gn  N6GN @ K3MC       amateur IP:	glenn@SantaRosa.ampr.org Internet:	glenne@sr.hp.com   
From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) Subject: Re: FBI Director's Statement on Waco Standoff Nntp-Posting-Host: fishlab12.fsh.mtu.edu Organization: Michigan Tech X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 23  On 21 Apr 93 05:06:08 GMT, Tim Smith (tzs@stein.u.washington.edu) wrote: > feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes: > >We have NO evidence that BATF & FBI would not have started shooting > >when and if people had started coming out of the burning building.  > Oh?  How about the press?  If the BATF & FBI were going to shoot people > leaving a burning building, don't you think they would get rid of the > press first?  Oh, you mean something like moving the press back to a single location, 2 miles away from the "compound"?  The press was allowing into foxholes in Vietnam, but it's "too dangerous" to allow them near the Branch Davidians?...  There's something skewed about the logic here.   -- Charles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu Dept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931 ------------------------------------------------------------- "...when all government... in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."   Thomas Jefferson, 1821
From: simon@giaeb.cc.monash.edu.au (simon shields) Subject: SSPX schism ? Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. Lines: 78  Hi All  Hope you all had a Blessed Easter. I have a document which I believe refutes the notion that the SSPX (Society of Saint Pius X) is in schism, or that there has been any legitimate excommunication. If anyone is interested in reading the truth about this matter please email me and I'll send them the document via email. Its 26 pages long, so I wont be posting it on the news group.  Its titled       NEITHER SCHISMATIC NOR EXCOMMUNICATED       This article  was  originally  an  English	translation,  by  the     Society  of  Saint	Pius  X  in  Ireland, from the French Journal     'Courrier de Rome'.  The French  article,  in  its	turn,  was  a     translation  from  the  Italian of the Roman Newsletter 'Si Si No     No'.      This booklet contains the transcription, with some minor editing,     of	the  Irish  article, and was transcribed and produced by John     Clay, Townsville, Queensland, Australia.      (There is no copyright attached. Simon Shields)                          CONTENTS                                   NEITHER SCHISMATIC NOR EXCOMMUNICATED.......................1     CATHOLICS ON THE RACK.......................................1     THE CHOICE OF THE 'SENSUS FIDEI'............................3     AMBIGUITY...................................................4     THE CHURCH IS NOT BICEPHALOUS (TWO-HEADED)..................6     THE PERSON AND THE FUNCTION OF THE POPE.....................6     UNITY OF FAITH AND UNITY OF COMMUNION.......................8     THE CRITERIA OF CHOICE.....................................10     ECUMENISM - AN ATTACK ON THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH...........10     THE EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION WITHIN THE CHURCH..............11     EXTRAORDINARY DUTIES OF LAY PEOPLE.........................12     DUTIES AND POWERS OF BISHOPS...............................14     FROM THE FACT OF THEIR GREATER DUTIES......................14     FROM THE FACT OF THEIR GREATER POWER.......................14     THE POWER AND THE DUTY OF THE PAPACY.......................15     THE ELECTION OF BISHOPS....................................15     STATE AND RIGHT OF NECESSITY...............................16     1. THERE IS IN THE CHURCH A REAL STATE OF NECESSITY........17     FOR SOULS..................................................18     FOR SEMINARIANS............................................18     2. ALL THE ORDINARY MEANS HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED..............19     3. THE ACT ITSELF IS NOT INTRINSICALLY EVIL AND THERE RESUL..........21     4. IN THE LIMITS OF EFFECTIVE REQUIREMENTS.................22     5. THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE IS NOT PUT INTO QUESTION......23     THE EXCOMMUNICATION........................................24     CONCLUSION.................................................25     BIBLIOGRAPHY...............................................26-31  God Bless ye all,    An Irish Fairwell  may the road rise to meet you may the wind be always at your back may the sun shine warm upon your face,  the rains fall soft upon your fields, and until we meet again, may God hold you in the palm of his hand.   -- /----------------------------------------------------------------|-------\ |  Simon P. Shields Programmer           Viva Cristo Rey !!  ----|----   | |  MONASH UNIVERSITY COLLEGE GIPPSLAND Ph:+61 51 226 357       .JHS.     | |  Switchback Rd. Churchill.          Fax:+61 51 226 300       |\|/|     | |  Australia 3842      Internet: simon@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au  |M J|     | \------------------------------------------------------------------------/
From: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) Subject: Re: Changing Windows fonts? Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 36 Reply-To: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu   In a previous article, ellard2@husc8.harvard.edu (Daniel Ellard) says:  > >A friend of mine uses Windows 3.1 to do most of her work. >Unfortunately, she has very bad eyesight, and we haven't >been able to figure out how to change the default font >used by the system and application menus, or the font used >by the Help program (what use is hypertext if you can't >read it?) to make it legible to her. > >If anyone knows how to increase the size of these fonts, >of any software package that makes Windows more accessible >to visually handicapped people, please let me know. > >Thanks, >	Dan > >   The May issue of PC/Computing page 246 has a Windows hint and tips for just this thing.  You have to edit the WIN.INI file and add a couple of lines.  I tried it and it works.  I actually made my Title bar and iconized text, and icon text smaller.  On my monitor it works well. You can select a larger font also.  You edit the WIN.INI file with a font name in your system directory.  Read the article because I would not want to retype it here in case I type errored and caused your system problems.  C-ya..... /\/\artin --    This communication is sent by    /\/\artin   University of Arizona Tucson   =========================================================================   ak333@cleveland.freenet.edu   mlinsenb@ccit.arizona.edu  mlinsenb@arizvms   DEATH HAS BEEN DEAD FOR ABOUT 2,000 YEARS ****** FOLLOW THE KING OF KINGS
From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf) Subject: Re: WACO burning Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 42  In article <9753@blue.cis.pitt.edu> jagst18+@pitt.edu (Josh A Grossman) writes: >In article <C5v9Du.D76@acsu.buffalo.edu> v111qheg@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (P.VASILION) writes: >>Not necessarily. If the body had been denatured (cooked) or dehydrated due >>to the heat, a projectile needs only a minimal kinetic force to penetrate. >>In fire aftermaths, bodies tend to fall apart or loose large chunks of >>meat with little effort. Medical Examiners tend not to like cleaning up >>such scenes.  >> >>As such, if the body had been suitably cooked, a bullet comming from a >>magazine explosion would more than likely have enough force to enter and >>thus it would be difficult to determine whether a bullet entered at the >>time of death, or much later, unless you were trained to look for the >>evidence. Texas Rangers are not pathologists.  >> >>P.Vasilion > >This is quite corect, but a bullet hitting a burned body with little energy >will show virtually no deformation, ie a hollow point probably would not >expand, an FMJ would be "pristene".  Also the bullets will not be marked >with the lands ang grooves of a barrel, because they didn't come out of >one.  A good pathologist should be able to notice this right away. > >Let us hope that the  ME's that handle these bodies are more competent >then the ones who did JFK's body. > >JAG > Speaking of ME's. The FBI said the fire victims were found face-up <fire victims, apparently, are usually found face down>  suggesting they died prior to the fire. The ME says, in a word, BULLSHIT, the victims WERE face down. The FBI says they sent a body of a victim that was shot, supposedly by BD guards, the ME says, in a word, BULLSHIT, the body showed NO evidence of gunshot wounds. Can the ATF/FBI tell the difference between CYA and truth?    --   +   Wayne J. Warf -- WWARF@ucs.indiana.edu -- I speak for myself only   +  |*Clinton*Gore*CIA*FBI*DEA*Assassinate*Bomb*WoD*BoR*ATF*IRS*Resist*NSA* |  |*Christian*God*Satan*Apocalypse*ZOG*Nazi*Socialist*Communist*Explosive*|  +*fundamentalist*revolution*NSC*Federal Reserve*Constitution*gold*FEMA* +
From:  Gia Kiria <gkiria@kiria.kheta.georgia.su> Subject: help Reply-To: gkiria@kiria.kheta.georgia.su Organization: Gia Kiria Keywords: information echo cardio dopler Lines: 9    HELP! Maybe anybody know names of conferences in Please help Me find any information for next keywords: echocardiography and cardiology+dopler I hawe no informatins on this subjects 2 years becouse i leave in Tbilisy. sorry for my bad english! MY adress: irina@kiria.kheta.georgia.su 
From: gel@cs.mcgill.ca (Gilles KHOUZAM) Subject: Re: Equation Editor Nntp-Posting-Host: binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Organization: SOCS - Mcgill University, Montreal, Canada Lines: 24  In article <1993May11.141706.5878@iitmax.iit.edu> VAXTOOLS@chico.acc.iit.edu (Falke Bruinsma (WildThing)) writes: >Hiya > >I'm using Word for Windows and I am quite satisfied with it, except the  >Equation Editor screws up all the time. When I try to insert an equation it >will give me two errors: Fence Font not Found and Meta Font not found. The >real problem is that it will not display or print out the integral sign. Does >anyone else have this problem? And how do I solve it? >I'm using a Z-sport 486 laptop with a Panasonic 1124p printer, running  >msdos 5.0 and windows 3.1. > >   Thanks, >     Falke >  We all had that problem, you need to expand the fonts manually, the program "decomp" is on disk 1 & the equations fonts are on disk 3    						Have fun  						Gel
From: cathy@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Cathy Smith) Subject: WEIRD SCIENCE -- by L. Neil Smith Distribution: usa Nntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523 Lines: 116  Posted by Cathy Smith for L. Neil Smith                             WEIRD SCIENCE  Everyone knows how to tell when a politician is lying:  his lips  move.  What may not be equally obvious is that there are  politicians and then there are politicians -- and that the phrase  "political science" is subject to more than one interpretation.    Years ago, we heard how "scientists" were worried that a new Ice  Age might be coming, and later on that "nuclear winter" -- smoke  and dust thrown into the atmosphere by full-scale international  unpleasantness -- was a possibility.  Something like that may even  have killed the dinosaurs.    What we didn't hear was that no actual data supported any of this,  that real-world events (the burning of Kuwaiti oil fields) tended  to discredit it, that mostly it was propaganda meant to weaken  values that made America the most successful culture in history,  and that the dinosaurs probably died of something like the Plague  when continents drifted together, exposing them to new germs.    We miss a lot like this, unless we listen closely.  Prince William  Sound, site of the famous oil spill, and Mount St. Helen's weren't  supposed to recover from their respective disasters for at least  100 years.  That turned out not to be true, although you'd never  know it from watching network nightly news or CNN.  It doesn't fit  their agenda to inform us that the earth is vast and resilient, and  that nature is rougher on herself than we could ever be.    But for once, the media aren't entirely to blame.  As ignorant of  science as they are of everything, they trust "scientists" to  unscrew the inscrutable.  The trouble is that today's "scientists"  have agendas of their own.    Nobody in government, that wellspring of scientific wherewithal, is  going to offer grants to an investigator who states truthfully that  there is no respectable evidence for "global warming".  The money  and power for bureaucrats and politicians lie in mass transit, and  they hate the automobile -- blamed as a major cause of the mythical  crisis -- as a source of privacy and freedom they find intolerable.    The same appears true of "acid rain", a deliberate hoax cooked up  by the Environmental Protection Agency (which hates private  industrial capitalism almost as much as it does your car) and  foisted on real scientists through trickery which has depended on  specialists in different fields not talking to each other much.    The list goes on, always with a common, disreputable thread.   "Ozone depletion", for which evidence is even more suspect and  contradictory than for acid rain or global warming, is no more than  a last, desperate attempt to indict private capitalism in an era  when state central planning and the command economy have failed and  can only find this final, withered leg to teeter on.    Decades of anti-nuclear alarmism, resting on foundations of myth  and panic-mongering, have failed to erase the fact that nuclear  power is the safest, cleanest, most efficient source of energy  known to mankind -- and more to the point, that the greater amount  of energy there is available to any individual in society, the  freer that individual -- and his society -- become.    Honest studies on the effects of individual gun ownership and  self-defense on crime -- conducted by investigators who began as  ideological opponents to those concepts, but which show massive  reductions in the latter to be the result of the former -- have  been suppressed, most recently by the California state government.    And what the media didn't say about recent EPA "discoveries" on the  effect of "secondhand smoking" is that, although some harm to non- smokers may have been detected, it was less (by an order or two of  magnitude) than that associated with frying bacon a couple times a  week or keeping a pet bird.  It's enough to make you wonder whether  there was ever anything to the claim that smoking causes cancer.    That, of course, is the real threat represented by politically  correct science.  The world is a dangerous place.  It would be nice  to know the hazards.  I've never believed smoking to be a healthy  practice, but, given a lack of credibility on the part of today's  science, how am I to decide what to do about it?  Nicotine is  highly addictive, to that much I can attest from experience.  Yet  the stress of quitting may be riskier than to continue.  There  isn't any way to tell, thanks to the corrupting influence of  government money on the scientific establishment.    Two centuries ago, the Founding Fathers spared us certain agonies  to which every other nation in the world has been subject at one  time or another, by creating a legal barrier between politics and  religion.  Each time some short-sighted individual or group has  tried to lower the barrier (most recently over the issue of  abortion), blood -- real human blood, hot and smoking in the street  -- has wound up being shed.    Real human blood is being shed over scientific issues, as people's  lives are ruined through the loss, to agencies like the EPA, of  livelihood, or property it may have taken a lifetime to accumulate,  to diseases caused by toxins associated with burning fossil fuels  for electrical power, or thanks to bans on things like cyclamates,  when they die from the effects of obesity.    What we need now, if we hope to survive as a civilization for two  more centuries, is another barrier, a Constitutional separation of  state and science -- including medicine.  Knowledge is valuable;  real science won't languish for lack of funding.  The money will  simply come from contributors unwilling to pay for lies, and  everyone will benefit.    L. Neil Smith Author:  THE PROBABILITY BROACH, THE CRYSTAL EMPIRE, HENRY MARTYN,  and (forthcoming) PALLAS LEVER ACTION BBS (303) 493-6674, FIDOnet: 1:306/31.4 Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus NRA Life Member  My opinions are, of course, my own. 
From: ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) Subject: 300ZX or SC300??? Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 15  Hi everyone,  I'm getting a car in the near future.  I've narrow it down to 300ZX and SC300. Which might be a better choice?  Thanks for your opnion, Danny --   =============================================================================== =    "Hey! You programmers out there!     |    Danny Phornprapha              = =     Please consider this:               |    ip02@lehigh.edu                = =                                         |                                   = =     Bugs are another endangered earth   |    LUCC Student Konsultant        = =     Species needing your protection.    |    Work: (215) 758-4141           =
From: neath@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Ian Neath) Subject: Re: Why Blues Pulverized Chicago WeenieHawks Organization: Purdue University Lines: 25  sesrock@andy.bgsu.edu (Stuart Esrock) writes:  2) Hitting....Hawks tried to outmuscle Blues but could not do it. Instead, Blues matched Hawks hit for hit and crunched the shit out of them in game #4.....Scud line, Shanahan, Butcher, and Zombo particularly took turns bashing favorite targets like Chelios.  3) Skating.....when the Hawks tried to outskate Blues, they could not do that either.  Nelson Emerson finally showed up and skated circles around flat footed Chicago defense.....Hedican, Felsner, Ron Wilson and others also proved that with old cement skaters like Goulet and Keith Brown, Blues could lap Chicago in a 400 M relay race.        I agree with #2 but you are wrong about #3.  In fact, the only      point where the Hawks in any way matched the Blues was when      they quit trying to outmuscle and instead tried to outskate      the Blues.  They scored and took the lead.  Too bad it was      Game 4 and they then took some stupid penalties.  When the      Hawks skated, they outskated the Blues and took control.   --       Ian Neath        | There are four kinds of people in this world: neath@psych.purdue.edu | cretins, fools, morons and lunatics - U. Eco
From: eliot@engr.washington.edu (eliot) Subject: REVIEW: Audi S4 quattro Organization: skulls 'r us Lines: 175 Distribution: world Reply-To: eliot@engr.washington.edu (eliot) NNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu  It's been a while since I've reviewed a car but today I paid a visit to an old friend whose love for Audis has been so overwhelming that he makes a not too sucessful living selling them.  Without further delay, I will get to the 1993 Audi S4:   1) Servotronic steering:  [For those who are not familiar with what Servotronic is, it is the name for the speed variable power steering manufactured by ZF and used in Audis and BMWs.]  I have been outspoken in my damming of Servotronic over the past couple of months, and this was based on magazine reviews and drives of the Audi 90 CS quattro and the Audi 100CS fwd.  I am quite happy to report now that on the S4, the Servotronic is *inoffensive*.  I suppose that due to the fat gumball tires, the Servotronic has been loaded up more and this, so far has been the best implementation that I have tried.  It is far from perfect, mind you, and I'd be much happier if it was an option that I could refuse, but on the S4, I no longer consider this to be bad enough where I feel the entire car is ruined.  The steering is still a tad too light, but it is accurate and I suppose the stiffly sprung chassis sends back so much information that some makes it through to the driver's hands.  So there is feel and there is accuracy in the S4's steering.  But there is also room for improvement.  I consider the S4's steering to be better than the Japanese competition, primarily because the Japanese do not believe in "feel" and engineer it out completely.   2) Engine  Wheee! What a pressure cooker.  With just 110 miles on the clock I did not expect the S4 to be producing anywhere close to what it will be putting out 10000 miles later, but still, the car packs a terrific punch.  For a turbocharged machine, it is very unusual in that it encourages lazy driving.  i.e. low revs, high gear.  It is so supremely flexible that one could hardly believe that there's only 2.2 liters of displacement to move this 3700 pound car around in such a fashion.  With maximum torque available at 1950 rpm and a 7200 rpm redline, the car can pretty much be left in third all day.. which translates to a speed range of something like 20-100 mph.  A chracteristic that one normally associates with large capacity V8s. The technical achievement is breadthtaking.  Throttle response is right up there with a good atmospheric engine. In fact, it would even put peaky multivalve engines to shame. Downshifts are almost unnecessary.  It is more fun to use the "overboost" feature than to rev the engine.  For those not familiar, the S4 engine features up to 15 seconds of additional turbo boost for passing.  Sort of like lighting up the after burners in a jet fighter, one could, with the right foot only, in third gear, blast the car from 30 to 80 in just a few moments.. simply by flooring the gas.  As far as the numbers go, maximum torque available in overboost mode shoots up to about 270 lb ft.. incredible for a 2.2 liter.  It takes a few moments for it to develop overboost but it is well worth waiting for.  Since this is quite a heavy car, one's body parts are not flung around like say, the Corrado VR6.  The acceleration is smooth and strong, somewhat similar to riding in a jetliner as it accelerates down the runway on takeoff.  Also, one is treated to a very distinctive and entertaining whistle from the turbo.. the only entertaining sound to come out of a very refined but bland sounding 5 banger..  Yes, Audi has refined the 5 to the point where at 7200 rpm it sounds as serene as it does at 2000.  The smoothness is outstanding, but not quite up to the standards of a very good 6, e.g. a 12 valve BMW.  I'd say that in terms of refinement, i.e. willingness to rev, smoothness, lack of harshness under full acceleration it is better than many V6s.  However, lost in the refinement process is the characteristic 5 cylinder bark that made the older engines so characterful, if not terribly refined. The 20 valve turbo 5 sounds pretty bland except for the whistle under full boost.  Subjectively, I'd rate the VW VR6 engine as being far more musical than the turbo 5.. Also, Audi's own V8 is also far more musical, with a rorty race car growl when pressed,  though none of these can match its grunt.  The only hint of the engine's true capacity occurs when one is taking off from rest after the turbo has come to a near stop.  With the extra inertia from the permanently engaged 4wd system, one has to be somewhat delicate in feeding in the clutch to prevent an embarassing stall.  Alternately one could use more revs.. In both cases a very small price to pay for such a fantastic engine.  I think that Audi of America should offer an automatic option for this car, just as they offer (though in extremely small numbers) a 5 speed for the much peakier V8.  The characteristics of the engine are perfect for an automatic.  Ironically, in europe a slush is available but none is offered for the land of the slush.  Marketing twits rearing their ugly heads again...   3) Chassis  I've noticed that Audis tend to have very wide wheels and relatively modest tire widths.  The car comes with Firestones of size 225/50 ZR16.. which is not uncommon at all.  However, the very attractive 5 spoke wheels are no less than 8 inches wide, so there is no sidewall bulge whatsoever.  Combined with the flared wheel arches, the S4 has a mouth watering macho, yet subdued look.   On rough concrete, it becomes immediately clear that the new 100 body style has made significant advances in structural rigidity as well as road noise suppression.. I suppose the two are inter-related, but I digress.  To use a cliche, the S4's body feels like it has been carved out of stone.  Flex is totally undetectable, even when going over rough roads.  With a super rigid body like this stiff springs and stiff dampers do not cause excessive harshness and while the S4's ride quality will never worry a Lexus, it will also not draw comparisons to trucks or pony cars.  The servotronic steering has already been mentioned.  I consider it to be inoffensive because it did not inhibit spirited cornering.  I  was able to test the car's cornering powers without too much trepidation. I think a new concept is at work in this car.  With its fat gumball tires, talking about understeer or oversteer is practically meaningless.  On a banked highway on ramp, I went in slow and started applying power as I went around.  I could feel the g forces build to the point where the skin on my face was being tugged sideways.  Yet the car was totally and completely obedient to throttle and steering inputs.. It felt that the limits were not even close to being approached.  The g forces were thrilling, but the entire affair of going around a curve is strangely uninvolving.  You tell the car what you want and it does it.  End of story.  I think that I am starting to relate more and more to those reviewers who were highly impressed by the Honda NSX's clinical efficiency but were unable to fall in love with the car.  The brakes have a very good firmness to them and stop the car pretty well too, though I've read that they are prone to fade.  I am not too surprised, since the S4 does not have uprated brakes over the base Audi 100 fwd. Harder pads would help, but that in turn would lead to a more wooden response when cold.  I am starting to see a trend among the luxury/sports sedan makers where extra weight is not being offset by additional braking capacity.  The LS400's fade performance is nothing to brag about; neither is the Q45's or the Legend's.  Brake fade these days seem to be a forgotten virtue when everybody's attention is focused on anti-lock capability.   4) Comfort  For a car with such sporty abilities, its comfort levels are also excellent.  The cabin is beautifully appointed, with carbon-fiber panel inserts in place of the wood trim of the '92 S4.  All the expected gizmos are there.. heated seats, power seats, seat memory, power this and that.  The glaring ommision was the trip computer, which was removed because Audi hasn't gotten it to work reliably yet.. That means that the car has no boost gauge.  A real disappointment taking into account how much the turbo dominates its performance.    Unusual for the germans, the S4 comes with a Honda style moonroof, as well as the very intelligent dial-a-sunroof-position rotary switch.  Noise levels, including engine and tire noise is so low that I wouldn't consider the Lexus' advantage in this area to be significant enough to sway a potential buyer.   5) Conclusion  Even though few will be able to afford an Audi S4 at its sticker price of $48K, the car is a bargain if one takes into account what it has to offer over the competition.  The 20 valve turbo 5 is a real gem, even if it doesn't produce Ferrari sounds.  No other luxury/sports sedan maker offers the utter security of quattro all wheel drive, which to some is worth the extra money all by itself.  The safety features are also  top notch.. 1994 side impact standard compliant, the very elegant  automatic seat belt tensioners and the dual airbags.  The 100 series Audis have been outstanding in government crash tests.  It gets my thumbs up for being so overwhelmingly capable rather than being all out exciting and intoxicating.   eliot 
From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) Subject: Quack-Quack (was Re: Candida(yeast) Bloom, Fact or Fiction) Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Lines: 69  In article rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes:  >Do you believe that any quacks exist?  How about quack diagnoses?  Is >being a "licensed physician" enough to guarantee that someone is not >a quack, or is it just that even if a licensed physician is a quack, >other people shouldn't say so?  Can you give an example of a >commonly diagnosed ailment that you think is a quack diagnosis, >or have we gotten to the point in civilization where we no longer >need to worry about unscrupulous "healers" taking advantage of >people.   I would say there are also significant numbers of unscrupulous doctors (of the squeaky-clean, traditional crew-cut, talk to the AMA before starting any treatment, kind) who recommend treatments that, though "accepted", may not be necessary for the patient at the time.  And all for making a quick buck.  I would not be surprised if the cost of medical services in the U.S. is significantly inflated by these "quacks of a different color".  In fact, I'd say these doctors are the most dangerous since they call into question the true focus of the medical profession.  The AMA and the Boards should focus on these "quacks" instead of devoting unbelievable energy on 'search-and- destroy-missions' to pull the licenses of those doctors who are trying non- traditional or not fully accepted treatments for their desperate patients that traditional/accepted medicine cannot help.   *************************************************** Now to make a general comment on many recent posts: ***************************************************  Lately I've seen the word "quack" bandied about recklessly.  When a doctor or doctor-wanna-be has decided to quit discussing any controversial medical subject in a civilized manner, all he/she has to do is say "quack-quack" and somehow they magically expect the readership of this newsgroup to roll over on their backs and pee-pee on themselves in obedience.  What do they teach you in medical school - how to throw your authority around?  Let me put it another way to make my point clear:  "quack" is a nebulous word lacking in any precision.  Its sole use is to obfuscate the issues at hand. The indiscriminate use of this word is a sure sign of incompetency;  and coming from any medical doctor (or wanna-be), where competency is expected, is real scary.  But what do I know, I've already been diagnosed by the sci.med.gods in this newsgroup as being 'anal retentive', and 'psychotic'.  I look forward to more net.diagnoses.  Hey, they're free.   Jon "Quacks 'R Us" Noring   (p.s., may I suggest - seriously - that if the doctors and wanna-be-doctors on the net who refuse to have an open mind on alternative treatments and theories, such as the "yeast theory", should create your own moderated group. You can call it sci.med.traditional.moderated or sci.med.AMA-approved, so you can keep anal-retentives like me out of it.)  --   Charter Member --->>>  INFJ Club.  If you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info. ============================================================================= | Jon Noring          | noring@netcom.com        |                          | | JKN International   | IP    : 192.100.81.100   | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE | | 1312 Carlton Place  | Phone : (510) 294-8153   | CHIPS - World's Best!    | | Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101   |                          | ============================================================================= Who are you?  Read alt.psychology.personality!  That's where the action is.
From: gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic) Subject: Re: Aargh!  Great Hockey Coverage!! (Devils) Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 22  In article <1993Apr18.203823.28597@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) wrote: >  >  > Locked away, waiting for the tape-delay to start ... >  > It's nice that the Devils are starting out their playoffs on network > television ... too bad that their playoff game has been preempted on > WABC-AM for an early-season Yankees baseball game! >  > It's a 12-2 win by the Texas Rangers ... and they're delaying the > tape-delay by another half-hour for the ballgame "highlights"!!! >  You think that's bad?  I'm in Bowling Green, OH, and we get ABC from Toledo.  Well, the cable co. decided to totally pre-empt the game (no tape delay, no nothing) for a stupid telethon!  Hockey is very big around here, too.  I had to listen to "my" Penguins win on my car radio out in the parking lot.  I can just be thankful for a strong radio because being 230 miles from Pittsburgh, the reception usually isn't good at all.  I can't believe I picked it up during the middle of the day.  George
From: PETCH@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck) Subject: Daily Verse--King James. Compare this with previous version from NIV. Lines: 4  But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.  Proverbs 1:33
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From: ae015@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Hui) Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What??? Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 19   One thing that everyone is forgetting in this argument over the pricing of the SC1 vs. the Japanese cars is the Saturns "no-dicker sticker".  This makes the Saturn's price low in comparison to the inflated base prices of the Japanese competition on paper, but in reality, one could dicker several hundred dollars off the price of the Japanese cars.  Admittedly, though, here in Canada, at least, the SC2  is in the same price class as the Civic Si, not the SC1.  Steve Hui
From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> Subject: Re: university violating separation of church/state? Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 Lines: 29  dmn@kepler.unh.edu (...until kings become philosophers or philosophers become kings) writes: >      Recently, RAs have been ordered (and none have resisted or cared about > it apparently) to post a religious flyer entitled _The Soul Scroll: Thoughts > on religion, spirituality, and matters of the soul_ on the inside of bathroom > stall doors. (at my school, the University of New Hampshire) It is some sort > of newsletter assembled by a Hall Director somewhere on campus. It poses a > question about 'spirituality' each issue, and solicits responses to be  > included in the next 'issue.' It's all pretty vague. I assume it's put out > by a Christian, but they're very careful not to mention Jesus or the bible. > I've heard someone defend it, saying "Well it doesn't support any one religion. > " So what??? This is a STATE university, and as a strong supporter of the > separation of church and state, I was enraged. >  >      What can I do about this?  It sounds to me like it's just SCREAMING OUT for parody.  Give a copy to your friendly neighbourhood SubGenius preacher; with luck, he'll run it through the mental mincer and hand you back an outrageously offensive and gut-bustingly funny parody you can paste over the originals.  I can see it now:                                 The Stool Scroll          Thoughts on Religion, Spirituality, and Matters of the Colon                         (You can use this text to wipe)   mathew
From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) Subject: Re: Alaska Pipeline and Space Station! Organization: Texas Instruments Inc Lines: 45  In <1pq7rj$q2u@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:  >In article <1993Apr5.160550.7592@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: >| >|I think this would be a great way to build it, but unfortunately >|current spending rules don't permit it to be workable.  For this to >|work it would be necessary for the government to guarantee a certain >|minimum amount of business in order to sufficiently reduce the risk >|enough to make this attractive to a private firm.  Since they >|generally can't allocate money except one year at a time, the >|government can't provide such a tenant guarantee.   >Fred.  >	Try reading a bit.  THe government does lots of multi year >contracts with Penalty for cancellation clauses.  They just like to be >damn sure they know what they are doing before they sign a multi year >contract.   THe reason they aren't cutting defense spending as much >as they would like is the Reagan administration signed enough >Multi year contracts,  that it's now cheaper to just finish them out.  I don't have to "try reading a bit", Pat.  I *work* as a government contractor and know what the rules are like.  Yes, they sign some (damned few -- which is why everyone is always having to go to Washington to see about next week's funding) multi-year contracts; they also aren't willing to include sufficient cancellation penalties when they *do* decide to cut the multi-year contract and not pay on it (which can happen arbitrarily at any time, no matter what previous plans were) to make the risk acceptable of something like putting up a private space station with the government as the expected prime occupant.  I'd like a source for that statement about "the reason they aren't cutting defense spending as much as they would like"; I just don't buy it. The other thing I find a bit 'funny' about your posting, Pat, is that several other people answered the question pretty much the same way I did; mine is the one you comment (and incorrectly, I think) on. I think that says a lot.  You and Tommy should move in together.  --  "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live  in the real world."   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: <Political Atheists?) Organization: sgi Lines: 46 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com  In article <1qlf7gINN8sn@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |>  |> >In another part of this thread, you've been telling us that the |> >"goal" of a natural morality is what animals do to survive. |>  |> That's right.  Humans have gone somewhat beyond this though.  Perhaps |> our goal is one of self-actualization.  Humans have "gone somewhat beyond" what, exactly?    In one thread you're telling us that natural morality is what animals do to survive, and in this thread you are claiming that an omniscient being can "definitely" say what is right and what is wrong.   So what does this omniscient being use for a criterion?   The long- term survival of the human species, or what?  How does omniscient map into "definitely" being able to assign "right" and "wrong" to actions?  |>  |> >But suppose that your omniscient being told you that the long |> >term survival of humanity requires us to exterminate some  |> >other species, either terrestrial or alien. |>  |> Now you are letting an omniscient being give information to me.  This |> was not part of the original premise.  Well, your "original premises" have a habit of changing over time, so perhaps you'd like to review it for us, and tell us what the difference is between an omniscient being be able to assign "right" and "wrong" to actions, and telling us the result, is.   |>  |> >Does that make it moral to do so? |>  |> Which type of morality are you talking about?  In a natural sense, it |> is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't |> adversely affect your own, I guess).  I'm talking about the morality introduced by you, which was going to be implemented by this omniscient being that can "definitely" assign "right" and "wrong" to actions.  You tell us what type of morality that is.  jon.
Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 58  Jason Kratz (U28037@uicvm.uic.edu) writes: > PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) says: > >Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: > > > >Don't be silly.  Of course you can.  The police have everything  > >the gangs have and then some.  Plus they've got access to the  > >National Guard (via the Governor) if things get too rough.  That's  > >tanks for those of you who've never seen them at play.  Of course,  > >they've got rifles and helicopters. > > > >And as far as fully-automatic weapons, you can be a lot better > >armed if you want to hit what you aim at. > > What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally  > blown out of proportion.  In my post I was referring to your  > regular patrolman in a car cruising around the city vs. gang  > members.  Of course the police have access to the things that you  > mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the time?  Of  > course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make.  Every  > day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in.  The  > majority that I see are still carrying revolvers.  Not that there  > is anything wrong with a revolver but if you're a cop that is up  > against some gang member with a couple of automatics in his coat (I  > mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a disadvantage even  > with training.  how so? i think you're making assumptions here that might not  necessarily be true. -my- personal choice would be a semi-auto, but  revolvers are just as effective, if not more so.  > I have been at a shooting range where gang gang members were  > "practicing" shooting.  They were actually practicing taking out  > their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target and they  > weren't doing too badly either.  relevancy, please? you sound shocked, but that hardly proves anything.  > The University cops here (who are are state cops) are armed better  > than the Chicago police.  It seems most state cops are.  I don't  > know where you are originally from David but you live in Tennesse  > and I live in Chicago and see this crap everyday on the news and in  > the papers.  I think the situation is just a tad different here  > than there.  wait, doesn't Chicago have -serious- gun control? if so, why do the police need all that firepower in the first place? (sarcasm alert)  all the patrol cars i've seen around here have shotguns clamped to  the dash board. IMHO, that's all the police need to outgun just about  anything.  jason  -- `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` `,` The Crystal Wind is the Storm, and the Storm is Data, and the Data  `,` `,`  is Life -- The Player's Litany, from _The Long Run_ by D.K. Moran  `,` `,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,`
From: SFB2763@MVS.draper.com (Eileen Bauer) Subject: Re: thyroidal deficiency Nntp-Posting-Host: mvs.draper.com Organization: Draper Laboratory Lines: 43  In article <1993Apr30.211625.568@adobe.com>, abruno@adobe (Andrea Bruno) writes:  > >In article <19930430140738SFB2763@MVS.draper.com> SFB2763@MVS.draper.com >(Eileen Bauer) writes: >> Thyroxin controls energy production which explains sleepiness, coldness, >> and weight gain. There is also water retention (possibly around heart), >> changes in vision, and coarser hair and skin among other things. > >Is there any relation between thyroid deficiency and depression?  Perhaps the listlessness caused by thyroid deficiency could mimic depression, or feeling unable to do anything could cause one to get depressed, but I know of no specific effect on the brain caused by the thyroid that would cause depression. Note that weight gain is usually a symptom of both. Simple blood tests would indicate if a thyroid condition is present.  I don't know if depression would cause a reduction in thyroid output, but I would tend to doubt it. As far as I know clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, and that chemical imbalance has no direct effect on any other part of the body. A regular everyday depression IMHO should not cause a chemical imbalance in the body at all.  The pituitary bases its secretions of Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) on the level of circulating Thyroxin (there are two types T3 and T4 - one is used as a reserve and is changed into the other -active- form in the liver). The ratio of T3 & T4 can be affected by a number of other hormones (estrogen, for example). Naturally, changing activity of the body's cells would cause changes in availabilty of free thyroxin, but the liver and a healthy thyroid should be able to balance things out in short order.  Good sources for info on the thyroid are the Merk Manual (a physician's reference book ) although reading it is enough to get one depressed :-) and the Encyclopedia Brittanica (should be available in your local library).  I hope this has been of some help.  -Eileen Bauer
From: stevek@cellar.org (Steve Kraisler) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system Lines: 32  chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) writes:  > Brent Irvine (irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: >  > : failed to mention the Davidians pouring kerosene all over and lighting it i > : plain view. >  >   Brent, I'm still waiting to see if there are any evidence of how the fire > got started, so I'm not going to tell you who did it...  As far as you keep > talking about the Davidians pouring kerosene all over, stop and *think* > for a second if it is possible the stove or lamp was knocked over and > started a fire, and the Davidians were pouring water on it (wrong solution > but I doubt I can do much better in their states of mind...) to try to > put it out?    >  >   By the way, just how far where you standing from the Davidians when you > saw them setting the place on fire?   Oh, in case you are new in town, > microwave ovens doesn't work very well when there's no electricty. :-0 >  >   Get some *facts* before you post next time! >  > --F. Chiu  First the FBI said they saw two members of the cult start the fire-and the  FBI never lies.  Second, the first started in opposite ends of the compound  at the same time and thirdly, the fire spread too quickly for it not to be  help without an accelerate.   ------ stevek@cellar.org (Steve Kraisler) The Cellar BBS - (215) 539-3043
From: kmldorf@utdallas.edu (George Kimeldorf) Subject: Re: Opinions on Allergy (Hay Fever) shots? Nntp-Posting-Host: heath.utdallas.edu Organization: Univ. of Texas at Dallas Lines: 20  In article <1993Apr22.143929.26131@midway.uchicago.edu> jacquier@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Eric Jacquier ) writes: > >I am interested in trying this "desensitization" (?) method >against hay fever. >What is the state of affairs about this. I went to a doctor and >paid $85 for a 10 minute interview + 3 scratches, leading to the >diagnostic that I am allergic to (June and Timothy) grass. >I believe this. From now on it looks like 2 shots per week for >6 months followed by 1 shot per month or so. Each shot costs >$20. Talking about soaring costs and the Health care system, I would >call that a racket. We are not talking about rare Amazonian grasses >here, but the garbage which grows behind the doctor's office. >Apart from this issue, I was somewhat disappointed to find out >that you have to keep getting the shots forever. Is that right? >Thanks for information. > > Go to your public library and get the February, 1988 issue of Consumer Reports.  An article on allergy shots begins on page 96.  This article is MUST reading for anyone contemplating allergy shots.
From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) Subject: Re: Drag free satellites (was: Stephen Hawking Tours JPL) Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net Keywords: JPL    Joe,  	your description sounds like one of the  gravity probe  spacecraft ideas.  pat
From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) Subject: Re: Hercules Graphite? Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University Lines: 20  In article <1993Apr06.185638.12139@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes:  >Has anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter?  It looks good on paper, and >Steve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld.  I'd love to get a >real-world impression, though -- how is the speed?  Drivers?  Support?  The PC World reviewers found out that the Herc people had hard-coded Winbench text into the driver. Clever, no? In any case, the Winbench results are pretty much inflated.  When and if you get one send me mail.. I might buy that ATI GU+ off you.. 9-)    --  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Iskandar Taib                          | The only thing worse than Peach ala Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU |    Frog is Frog ala Peach Bitnet:   NTAIB@IUBACS                 !
From: teezee@netcom.com (TAMOOR A. ZAIDI) Subject: Hall Generators from USSR Keywords: hall generators,thrusters,USSR,JPL Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Lines: 21  Hi Folks,                Last year America bought two  "Hall Generators" which are used as thrusters for space vehicles from former USSR,if I could recall correctly these devices were sent to JPL,Pasadena labs for testing and evaluation.                     I am just curious to know  how these devices work and what what principle is involved .what became of them.There was also some controversy that the Russian actually cheated,sold inferior devices and not the one they use in there space vehicles.  Any info will be appreciated...   ok   {                         Thank{ in advance... Tamoor A Zaidi Lockheed Commercial Aircraft Center Norton AFB,San Bernardino  teezee@netcom.com de244@cleveland.freenet.edu 
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center From: <U19250@uicvm.uic.edu> Subject: quality control in medicine Lines: 7  Does anybody know of any information regarding the implementaion of total  quality management, quality control, quality assurance in the delivery of  health care service.  I would appreciate any information.  If there is enough interest, I will post the responses.         Thank You         Abhin Singla MS BioE, MBA, MD         President AC Medcomp Inc
From: gjp@sei.cmu.edu (George Pandelios) Subject: Re: Don Cherry-New Pens Annoucer? Organization: The Software Engineering Institute Lines: 25   In article <C5wIuy.D88.1@cs.cmu.edu>, lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) writes: |> Don Cherry announcing Penguins games.  Yeah, and (to quote Pgh's |> goofy mayor) I'm the Queen of Sheba.  Well, Your Majesty, ;^), couldn't you just picture it?  Cherry starts doing his first post-game interview with Barrasso;  Tommy gives him that little look (like somebody crapped on his shoe) and then proceeds to give Don a tonsilectomy with his Sher-Wood.  Now that you could put on pay-per-view!  Hope you had a good laugh!  George =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=   George J. Pandelios				Internet:  gjp@sei.cmu.edu   Software Engineering Institute		usenet:	   sei!gjp   4500 Fifth Avenue				Voice:	   (412) 268-7186   Pittsburgh, PA 15213				FAX:	   (412) 268-5758 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Disclaimer:  These opinions are my own and do not reflect those of the 	     Software Engineering Institute, its sponsors, customers,  	     clients, affiliates, or Carnegie Mellon University.  In fact, 	     any resemblence of these opinions to any individual, living 	     or dead, fictional or real, is purely coincidental.  So there. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: Spencer@world.std.com (Spencer Marks) Subject: Two America West Tickets for Sale Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Distribution: na Lines: 11  America West Airline Tickets for Sale  Two $300 vouchers on America West Airlines, which can be used toward the purchase of tickets to wherever that airline goes.  There are no restrictions and no blackout times.  They're legally transferable and can be used anytime before July 1.  Asking $250 each.  Please respond with email or voice to: cheryl@mathworks.com (the person selling the tickets) or Spencer@world.std.com (the person posting this article) or call Cheryl at 508-653-2452, x. 301. 
From: hdsteven@solitude.Stanford.EDU (H. D. Stevens) Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? Organization: stanford Lines: 59  In article <1993Apr21.190156.7769@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) writes: |> In article <1993Apr20.211638.168730@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: |> >Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo? |> >What would be the benefits and problems with such a combo (other |> >than the obvious instability in the XSSR now)? |>  |>  |> The Centaur for the Altas is about 3 meters dia. and the Proton  |> is 4 so that's a good fit for their existing upper stage, the Block-D |> which sets inside a shround just under 4 meters dia. I don't know about |> launch loads, etc.. but since the Centaur survives Titan launches which |> are probably worse than the Proton (those Titan SRB's probably shake things |> up pretty good) it seems feasible. EXCEPT, the Centaur is a very fragile |> thing and may require integration on the pad which is not available now. |> Protons are assembled and transported horizontially. Does anyone know  |> how much stress in the way of a payload a Centaur could support while |> bolted to a Proton horizontally and then taken down the rail road track |> and erected on the pad?    The Centaur that is being built for T4 would be a better bet to integrate  onto the Proton as the T4/Centaur is designed for the Extremely Harsh  envorinment of the T4 launch. It is also closer to 4 m in diameter.   You've hit on the real kicker, however. The Centaur is pressure stabilized.  It cannot hold up its own weight without pressure in the tanks. Additionally,  the pressure difference between the two tanks must be maintained to ~+/- 5 psi.  That is rather tight to be rocking and rolling on the train. The pressure  stabilization is how centaur achieves the performance. On numerous occasions (when I was there 88-91) the AF wanted to see what it would take to make  a non-pressure stabilized centaur. The answer -- a centaur not worth launching.   The Atlas/Centaur does not require on-pad integration, however the T4/Centaur does. I believe the on-pad integration is to a great extent due to the  cleanliness requirements and PFL configuration, so maybe something can be  done there........   |>  |> They would also need LOX and LH facilities added to the Proton pads  |> (unless the new Proton second stage is actually built), and of course |> any Centaur support systems and facilities, no doubt imported from the |> US at great cost. These systems may viloate US law so there are political |> problems to solve in addition to the instabilities in the CIS you mention.   The addition of LOX/LH facilities is critical as the centaur tops off as it  lifts off. A LHe facility is also needed. I don't know what the proton uses  for fuel, but since they are derived from ICBM's I would suspect that they  use storable propellants which don't have the ullage problem that cryo's  do. If there is no cryo at the sight at all, the addition of these systems  could be big $$, not to mention the real tech transfer issues involved with  providing centaur GSE to Russia. That issue alone might be enough to kill  this idea.   --  H.D. Stevens Stanford University			Email:hdsteven@sun-valley.stanford.edu Aerospace Robotics Laboratory		Phone:	(415) 725-3293  (Lab) Durand Building					(415) 722-3296  (Bullpen) Stanford, CA 94305			Fax:	(415) 725-3377
From: mg15@prism.gatech.EDU (Glynn,Mike) Subject: How to prevent ctl-alt-del from windows. Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology Lines: 12  I would like to prevent our Windows users from using ctl-alt-del from within windows. I know there must be a way to do it. Could anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance, Mike Glynn mike.glynn@business.gatech.edu --  Mike Glynn                      | Stolen Sig Follows:                                 |                                 | A hot-rodder is someone who is completely Internet: mg15@prism.gatech.edu |   baffled by people who are NOT into cars!
From: ag423@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Frank Fijalkovich) Subject: Machinist Tools Wanted Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu   I'm looking to buy machinist tools of any kind. If you have any or know of any for sale please leave me e-mail and I'll get back to you promptly.  				Frank -- 
From: Donald Mackie <Donald_Mackie@med.umich.edu> Subject: Re: cure for dry skin? Organization: UM Anesthesiology Lines: 8 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.86.38 X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9 X-XXDate: Fri, 30 Apr 93 22:41:44 GMT  In article <1993Apr30.035235.26613@pbs.org> , jlecher@pbs.org writes: >As a matter of fact, I just saw a dermatologist the other day, and while I   Seeing a dermatologist sounds like a very good idea if you are worried about your dry skin.  Don Mackie - his opinions
From: swanee@megadata.mega.oz.au (Geoff Swan) Subject: Re: Why circuit boards are green? Organization: Megadata P/L, North Ryde, Sydney, Aust. Lines: 35  In article <1993Apr23.102039.1720@mala.bc.ca>, wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus) writes: >  > The color of the board shows the composition of it, hence the use of it. >  > Original and older boards were bakelite composition, and were brown. > Phenolic (spelling) was a tan > Most "non filled" fiberglass boards used in computers are green. > Filled fiberglass is blue. > Teflon is white. >   Rubbish. The reason for the colour of the boards depends on the solder mask that is used. Older boards (bakelite and phenolic) rarely used a solder mask (these boards are not suited well to automatic stuffing and soldering techniques) and hence are the colour of the compound used to make them. These days boards are made of fibreglass for most general purpose uses and have a solder mask applied to them to prevent close traces shorting to one another during soldering (and also to prevent the decomposition of traces under harsh environments). The light and dark green boards ofter seen have a "dry film" mask applied to them (usually applied as a complete film photographically produced). The blue (and red or orange) boards are a two-part epoxy or a liquid-imageable resist formulation and are applied in a different manner. There's a lot of info about the pro's and con's of each, but that's another story...      Sla/n go fo/ill,                     Risky B. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geoff Swan (research & development)   _--_|\         swanee@mega.com.au Megadata Pty Ltd                     /      \  2/37 Waterloo Rd, North Ryde,        \_.--._/               +61 2 805 0899 NSW 2113, Australia.                       v          (Fax) +61 2 887 4847   
From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. In-Reply-To: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM's message of Fri, 23 Apr 93 09: 06:09 BST Organization: Compaq Computer Corp 	<1r6aqr$dnv@access.digex.net> <C5w5zJ.HHq@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> 	<19930423.010821.639@almaden.ibm.com> Lines: 14  >>>>> On Fri, 23 Apr 93 09:06:09 BST, nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) said: GS> How about transferring control to a non-profit organisation that is GS> able to accept donations to keep craft operational.  I seem to remember NASA considering this for some of the Apollo equipment left on the moon, but that they decided against it.  Or maybe not...   -- Ed McCreary                                               ,__o edm@twisto.compaq.com                                   _-\_<,  "If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."  (*)/'(*)
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: amitriptyline Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 14  In article <1993Mar27.010702.8176@julian.uwo.ca> roberts@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Eric Roberts) writes: >Could someone please tell me, what effect an overdose (900-1000mg) of >amitriptyline would have?  Probably would not be fatal in an adult at that dose, but could kill a child.  Patient would be very somnolent, with dilated pupils, low blood pressure.  Possibly cardiac arrhythmias.     --  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data Keywords: Solar Sail Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 25  ajjb@adam4.bnsc.rl.ac.uk (Andrew Broderick) writes:  >In article <1993Apr15.051746.29848@news.duc.auburn.edu> snydefj@eng.auburn.edu writes: >> >>I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar >> Sails  >I was at an interesting seminar at work (UK's R.A.L. Space Science >Dept.) on this subject, specifically on a small-scale Solar Sail >proposed as a student space project. The guy giving the talk was keen to >generate interest in the project. I'll typein the handout he gave out at >the meeting. Here goes :   [Stuff deleted]   >However it is more difficult to design a practical solar sail than most >people realize. The pressure of sunlight is only about one kilogram per >square kilometer.     ^^^^                                   ^^^^      I'm glad to see that someone is working on this.  However, it would be nice if he got his units right. --  Josh Hopkins                                          jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 		    "Find a way or make one." 	             -attributed to Hannibal
From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time Organization: Corporation for Open Systems Distribution: world  Lines: 56  In <C5HI0B.26C@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:  >In article <1993Apr13.220105.26409@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: >>In article <93Apr08.202003.27851@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: >>>As a long time motorcyclist, I have never understood what >>>posessed auto builders to put delicate controls, which must >>>be used with skill and finesse, like clutches and brakes, >>>on the floor. >>> >>>Why not hand control? It's much much easier. >> >>In the early days, neither of these functions had power-assist, so >>only legs had enough strength to activate them.  Since then, it's >>been traditional and people would have a hard time getting >>used to anything else.    >Well, where, exactly, would you put a hand clutch and brake? On >a motorcycle, it's easy; the handlebars have a very limited >range of turning. Steering wheels, on the other hand, turn around >and around and around...which is fine for electrical relays (like >your cruise control and airbag)--but how many of you want to >lose your clutch and/or brake due to a short circuit?  Shades of the Edsel! They had pushbuttons in the steering wheel hub that controlled the auto tranny. It was very disconcerting to shift into reverse when turning a corner and the wires shorted.  >There are workarounds, but there's really no reason to use hand >power on a car's clutch or brakes, and lightening them to the >point that they are "finesse" controls suitable for hand use >would increse the mechanical complexity substantially (look at >power brakes and non-power brakes for an example).  >>I saw an experimental car that had a joystick instead of a steering >>wheel...  >That's about useless, IMHO.   >>>Another automotive oddity is separate keys for trunks, doors, and >>>ignitions. Why on earth would you want this? >> >>I know *I* don't.  >I want a separate trunk key for security reasons; it gives me a totally >separate, lockable container. For door and ignition....ehhh, the same key's >OK, I guess.  >				James  >James P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center  >Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   /\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu    >DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... >		The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC >   "It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has  >	and all he's ever gonna have."  >			--Will Munny, "Unforgiven"
From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) Subject: Re: Playoff pool entry form Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences Lines: 45 Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu  Well, thanks to everyone who has entered so far.  There are at least 40 entries, and hopefully more people will enter before the deadline, which is 7:30 pm Today, Sunday, April 18, 1993!  In the interest of fairness, since I will win anyway, I feel it is only right to actually tell everyone my picks, so that you all won't cry "rigged" after I declare myself the winner.  Here they are:   	Series			Your Pick		Games     Division Semifinals  Pittsburgh-New Jersey		Pittsburgh		5 Washington-NY Islanders	NY Islanders		6  Boston-Buffalo			Boston			5 Quebec-Montreal			Quebec			7  Chicago-St. Louis		Chicago			4 Detroit-Toronto			Detroit			6  Vancouver-Winnipeg		Winnipeg		7 Calgary-Los Angeles		Calgary			7     Division Finals  Patrick				Pittsburgh		6 Adams				Quebec			7 Norris				Chicago			7 Smythe				Calgary     Conference Finals  Wales				Pittsburgh		5 Campbell			Chicago			4   Stanley Cup winner		Pittsburgh		6  --     Keith Keller				LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! 						LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! 	kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu		IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!              "When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you." 
From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) Subject: Re: who are we to judge, Bobby? Lines: 38 Organization: Walla Walla College Lines: 38  In article <1993Apr14.213356.22176@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: >From: snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) >Subject: Re: who are we to judge, Bobby? >Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:33:56 GMT >In article <healta.56.734556346@saturn.wwc.edu> healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes: >>Bobby, >> >>I would like to take the liberty to quote from a Christian writer named  >>Ellen G. White.  I hope that what she said will help you to edit your  >>remarks in this group in the future. >> >>"Do not set yourself as a standard.  Do not make your opinions, your views  >>of duty, your interpretations of scripture, a criterion for others and in  >>your heart condemn them if they do not come up to your ideal." >>                         Thoughts Fromthe Mount of Blessing p. 124 >> >>I hope quoting this doesn't make the atheists gag, but I think Ellen White  >>put it better than I could. >>  >>Tammy > >Point? > >Peace, > >Bobby Mozumder > My point is that you set up your views as the only way to believe.  Saying  that all eveil in this world is caused by atheism is ridiculous and  counterproductive to dialogue in this newsgroups.  I see in your posts a  spirit of condemnation of the atheists in this newsgroup bacause they don' t believe exactly as you do.  If you're here to try to convert the atheists  here, you're failing miserably.  Who wants to be in position of constantly  defending themselves agaist insulting attacks, like you seem to like to do?! I'm sorry you're so blind that you didn't get the messgae in the quote,  everyone else has seemed to.  Tammy
Subject: ROCKET LAUNCH OBSERVED! From: leo.wikholm@compart.fi (Leo Wikholm) Distribution: world Organization: ComPart BBS, Helsinki-Finland, +358 0 506 3329 (20 lines V.32bis) Lines: 44        A bright light phenomenon was observed in the Eastern Finland     on April 21. At 00.25 UT two people saw a bright, luminous     pillar-shaped phenomenon in the low eastern horizont near     Mikkeli. The head of the pillar was circular. The lower part     was a little winding. It was like a monster they told. They     were little frightened. Soon the yellowish pillar became     enlarged. A bright spot like the Sun was appeared in the middle     of the phenomenon. At last the light landed behind the nearby     forest. Now there was only luminous trails in the sky which were     visible till morning sunrise.      The same phenomenon was observed also by Jaakko Kokkonen in     Lappeenranta. At 00.26 UT he saw a luminous yellowish trail in     the low northeastern horizont. The altitude of the trail was     only about 3-4 degrees. Soon the trail began to grow taller.     A loop was appeared in the head of the trail. It was like a     spoon. This lasted only 10 seconds. Now the altitude was about     five degress above horizont. He noted a bright spot at the     upper stage of loop. The spot was at magnitude -2. The loop     became enlarged and the spot was now visible in the middle of     the loop. A cartwheel-shaped trail was appeared round the bright     spot. After a minute the spot disappeared and only fuzzy trails     were only visible in the low horizont. Luminous trails were still     visible at 01.45 UT in the morning sky.      The phenomenon was caused by a Russian rocket. I don't know if     there were satellite launches in Plesetsk Cosmodrome near     Arkhangelsk, but this may be a rocket experiment too. Since 1969     we have observed over 80 rocket phenomena in Finland. Most of     these are rocket experiments (military missile tests?), barium     experiments and other chemical releases. During these years we     have observed 17 satellite launches.      Leo Wikholm   =====================================================================  Ursa Astronomical Association        I phone : +358-0-174048  Satellite and Rocket Phenomena Sect. I fax   : +358-0-657728  Laivanvarustajankatu 9 C 54          I bbs   : +358-0-174341  FIN-00140 Helsinki                   I inter : leo.wikholm@compart.fi  Finland                              I  =====================================================================
From: nanderso@Endor.sim.es.com (Norman Anderson) Subject: COMET...when did/will she launch? Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. Lines: 12  COMET (Commercial Experiment Transport) is to launch from Wallops Island Virginia and orbit Earth for about 30 days. It is scheduled to come down in the Utah Test & Training Range, west of Salt Lake City, Utah. I saw a message in this group toward the end of March that it was to launch  on March 27. Does anyone know if it launched on that day, or if not,  when it is scheduled to launch and/or when it will come down.  I would also be interested in what kind(s) of payload(s) are onboard.  Thanks for your help.  Norman Anderson          nanderso@endor.sim.es.com
From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) Subject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (long) Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Lines: 32 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: syndicoot.engin.umich.edu  In article <1993Apr5.084042.822@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >In article <1993Apr3.095220.24632@leland.Stanford.EDU>, galahad@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Compton) writes: [deletions] >> Now, back to your post.  You have done a fine job at using  >> your seventh grade 'life science' course to explain why >> bad diseases are caused by Satan and good things are a  >> result of God.  But I want to let you in on a little secret. >> "We can create an amino acid sequence in lab! -- And guess >> what, the sequence curls into a helix!  Wow!  That's right, >> it can happen without a supernatural force."  > >Wow!  All it takes is a few advanced science degrees and millions >of dollars of state of the art equipment.  And I thought it took >*intelligence* to create the building blocks of life.  Foolish me!   People with advanced science degrees use state of the art equipment and spend millions of dollars to simulate tornadoes. But tornadoes do not require intelligence to exist.  Not only that, the equipment needed is not really 'state of the art.' To study the *products*, yes, but not to generate them.  >If you want to be sure that I read your post and to provide a >response, send a copy to Jim_Brown@oz.bmd.trw.com.  I can't read >a.a. every day, and some posts slip by.  Thanks.    Oh, I will. :->  Sincerely,  Ray Ingles                  || The above opinions are probably                             || not those of the University of ingles@engin.umich.edu      || Michigan. Yet.
From: ctd2t@Virginia.EDU ("Chris Dong") Subject: WANTED:MEMPHIS SUBLET Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 6   Non-smoking, normal law student needs furnished place to live in Memphis this summer.  I'll be working at a firm downtown and will have to pass the bar character examination, so you don't have to worry about  your stuff being broken or stolen.  Call Chris at (804)979-2519 or leave e-mail.
From: thssjyh@iitmax.iit.edu (Jianqing Hu) Subject: GRE software, cheap ! Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology / Academic Computing Center Distribution: usa Lines: 11   GRE software for MS-DOS, from StudyWare. original disk, manual. Tutorial stuff,tests, examples and a lot more. Retail price is around $50.  Best offer around $15.00, will pay shipping  For best results, you need a graphic display card, EGA or VGA  Jianqing Hu thssjyh@iitmax.acc.iit.edu
From: vonwaadn@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Subject: Panic Disorder - more success stories Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 32  I posted this to sci.psychology on April 3, and after seeing your post here on panice disorder thought it would be relevant.  -----  My research indicates that two schools of thought exist. the literature promoting medication says it's the superior treatment.  Not surprisingly, literature promoting cognitive therapy also claims to be superior.  What are the facts?  Early in my research I didn't have a bias towards either medication or cognitive therapy.  I was interested in a treatment that worked.  After reading journals published after 1986, the cognitive therapy camp claims a higher success rate (approx 80%), a lower drop-out rate, and no side effects associated with medication.  Lars-Goran Ost published an excellent article titled "Applied Relaxation: Description of a coping technique and a review of controlled studies."  This is from Behav. Res. Ther., vol. 25, no. 5, pp. 397-409, 1987.  The article provides instructions on how to perform applied relaxation (AR). Briefly, you start with two 15 minute sessions daily, and progress in 8-12 weeks to performing 10-15 thirty second sessions daily.  I'll snail mail this article to anyone interested (USA only please; International please pay for postage).  Mark vonwaadn@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 22  In article <1993Apr21.212202.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral >exploration. > >Basically get the eco-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth.  They aren't going to leave a loophole as glaring as space mining.  Quite a few of those people are, when you come right down to it, basically against industrial civilization.  They won't stop with shutting down the mines here; that is only a means to an end for them now.  The worst thing you can say to a true revolutionary is that his revolution is unnecessary, that the problems can be corrected without radical change. Telling people that paradise can be attained without the revolution is treason of the vilest kind.  Trying to harness these people to support spaceflight is like trying to harness a buffalo to pull your plough.  He's got plenty of muscle, all right, but the furrow will go where he wants, not where you want. --  All work is one man's work.             | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology                     - Kipling           |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris ) Subject: Murray as GM  (was: Wings will win Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 37 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.lerc.nasa.gov News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41      In article <1993Apr19.204348.8254@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes... >  >In article 735249453@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: >  >>are predicting).  Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM >>I have ever seen in hockey >  >How do you figure that??  When Bryan Murray took over the Wings they were >a pretty good team that was contending for the Stanley Cup but looked >unlikely to win it.  Now they are a pretty good team that is contending for >the Stanley Cup but looks unlikely to win it.  A truly great GM would >have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon >of the NHL and maybe win the Stanley Cup.  A good GM (like Murray) can  I think Murray has done a great job.  He's picked up Ciccarelli, Sheppard, Ysebaert, Howe, Coffey, and Riendeau (plus some depth players)  without giving up anything the Wings needed or any of his top prospects. All of this in three years.  Has anyone done better?  The year before he took over, the Wings didn't even make the playoffs. There was about a year and a half during Demers' stint that the Wings did OK, but that was due to Demers' motavational skills and clutch and grab style.  They didn't have much talent.  Gerald, Murray wasn't responsible for Primeau (although I'm not ready to admit that's a horrible pick).  They hired him after the draft (which has never made sense to me).  His first pick was Lapointe.  Ron   ********** "And one of my major goals is to leave the next president a new set of things to worry about.  I'm getting bored reading the same problems in the paper, decade after decade.  I want people to have to deal with new problems."                     ... President Bill Clinton   2-4-93
From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) Subject: Re: "Cruel" (was Re: <Political Atheists?) Organization: sgi Lines: 23 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com  In article <1993Apr17.041535.7472@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes: |> In article <1qnedm$a91@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: |> >In article <1ql8mdINN674@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: |> >|> They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution.  |> > |> >I realise that this is widely held belief in America, but in fact |> >the clause on cruel and unusual punishments, like a lot of the |> >rest, was lifted from the English Bill of Rights of 1689. |>  |> According to Jerry Mander's _In the Absence of the Sacred_ (good |> book, BTW), the Great Binding Law of the Iroquois Confederacy |> also played a significant role as a model for the U.S. Constitution. |> Furthermore, apparently Marx and Engels were strongly influenced |> by a study of Iroquois society, using it as the prime example of |> a successful, classless, egalitarian, noncoercive society.  Mander |> goes on to say that both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. would do well |> to study the original document, figure out where each went wrong, |> and try to get it right next time.  That's fascinating.   I heard that the Chinese, rather than the Italians, invented pasta.  jon.
From: wild@access.digex.net (wildstrom) Subject: Re: Standard and Enhanced question Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net  ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) writes:   >Why is Win 3.1 sometimes so finicky? >I have a new DELL 486DX2/66mhz  8 megs RAM. >Windows was working just great.  I had a Bus mouse and mother board problem. >DELL replaced the mouse, gave me a newer mouse driver for windows >and replaced the motherboard.  Just prior to this problem windows would >]only load up every other time.  I would get the LOGO and either it would >go on into windows or LOCK UP.  This was very consistent EVERY OTHER TIME.  <much deleted> >ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS   Sounds like a memory conflict problem, which can cause truly weird symptoms  like these. Call Dell tech support (or better, post to them on CSERVE if you have an account) and get the memory range(s) used by video RAM on your machine. The block windows from using those ranges with an EMMEXCLUDE= statement in the 386Enh section of SYSTEM.INI. You probably should include a statement excluding the same range from EMM386 or whatever memory manager you use in CONFIG.SYS.  Dell "installs" Windows on the machines they ship, but the installation doesn't consist of much more than  copying the files to a hard disk. You still have to do the work. And the fact that you have the problem in Enhanced mode but not standard strongly suggests a high memory conflict. 
From: damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. Nntp-Posting-Host: elba Organization: Progress Software Corp. Lines: 34  hanguyen@megatest.com (Ha Nguyen) writes:  >In article <1993Apr14.203800.12566@progress.com> damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) writes: >>bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent "Woody" Moss) writes: >> >>>You could take a screw driver and hammer and start punching holes in >>>various locations and when some black slippery stuff starts pouring >>>out then you would know that the oil drain plug is nearby (within a foot >>>or two anyway). Close the holes with toilet paper before refileing with oil >>>though. >> >>You have to *refill* the engine with oil! Wow, no wonder I can't get >>an engine to last more than my first oil change. Don't forget to >>punch holes in the radiator too, it will spray nice refreshing water >                    ^^^^^^^^ >>on the engine and keep it nice & cool. ;-) >> >>-Steve  >Gee, you really make me confused.  What is radiator?  Where is it located? >What does it look like?  Will it release any radiation (since it sounds  >like radia-tion genera-tor) when you punch holes?   Of course it releases radiation! Thats why your car goes faster when you punch the holes in it. All that radiation gets on your engine and gives it "pep" (scientific term). You get more horsepower & torque too! If you don't know what HP & torque are, you can read mile long threads on the subject, but they are all wrong. Horsepower is how much power a horse can make pulling a Subaru, and torque is a name invented by Craftsman for a wrench.  -Steve 
From: xrcjd@resolve.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) Subject: Science News article on Federal R&D Organization: NASA/GSFC Greenbelt Maryland Lines: 8  Just a pointer to the article in the current Science News article on Federal R&D funding.  Very briefly, all R&D is being shifted to gaining current  competitive advantage from things like military and other work that does not have as much commercial utility. --  Chuck Divine
From: thierry@curlie.UUCP (Thierry Lach) Subject: Re: Who is Henry Spencer anyway? Reply-To: thierry@curlie.UUCP (Thierry Lach) Organization: None at all Lines: 32  cam@hawk.adied.oz.au (The Master) writes:  > etoyoc@leland.Stanford.EDU (aaron thode) writes: >  > >Having tracked sci.space for quite a while, I have some questions > >about a mysterious figure called Henry Spencer. If there is anything > >going on in the space community, he seems to know it.  > >	The questions are somewhat tounge-in-cheek: > >	1) Is sci.space a hobby or a job for you? > >	1) Do you ever eat or sleep? > >	3) Does U of Toronto Zoology department conduct space research?  > >	Or do you just use an account there? > >Just curious. >  > >Aaron >  > Well, Henry Spencer is *also* responsible for parts of Cnews, and other > internet related things. >  > Quite a guy.  :) >  > Onya Henry! >  > c. >  This question comes up frequently enough that there should be a faq about it...  ============================================================================ Thierry Lach                                curlie!thierry@sycom.mi.org #include "std.disclaimer" "Sufficiently superior technology is indistingushable from magic"
From: tkelso@afit.af.mil (TS Kelso) Subject: Two-Line Orbital Element Set:  Space Shuttle Keywords: Space Shuttle, Orbital Elements, Keplerian Organization: Air Force Institute of Technology Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: scgraph.afit.af.mil  The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when possible).  Documentation and tracking software are also available on this system.  As a service to the satellite user community, the most current elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below.  The Celestial BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.  Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil (129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.  STS 55      1 22640U 93 27  A 93119.24999999  .00041555  00000-0  12437-3 0    90 2 22640  28.4657 249.3697 0008512 260.9747 152.1416 15.90732913   425 --  Dr TS Kelso                           Assistant Professor of Space Operations tkelso@afit.af.mil                    Air Force Institute of Technology
From: alane@microsoft.com (Alan Ezekiel) Subject: Re: The Dayton Gun "Buy Back" (Re: Boston Gun Buy Back) Organization: Microsoft Corporation Lines: 63  >lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes: > >>According to WNCI 97.9 FM radio this morning, Dayton, Ohio is operating a >>gun "buy back".  They are giving $50 for every functional gun turned in. >>They ran out of money in one day, and are now passing out $50 vouchers of >>some sort.  They are looking for more funds to keep operating.  Another >>media-event brought to you by HCI. >> >>Is there something similar pro-gun people can do ?  For example, pay $100 >>to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm ?  Sounds a bit >>tacky, but hey, whatever works.  As David Veal points out, this sort of "promotion" would be used against gun owners by the mass media.  However, here is my proposal: offer gun safety classes in your area, free, as a community service.  Such a class would normally cost $40 or $50, so offering it free is a good promotion.  Our Gun Club has organized several of these (we just finished teaching another one last night, in fact) and they have been very well received.  We get a lot of people who are novices interested in guns.  We even get a few who are anti-gun, but feel they should know something about "gun safety" since members of their family keep guns at home.  Teaching such a course gives us many desirable benefits:  (1) We have the chance to teach gun safety rules; this increases     firearm awareness and may help to reduce gun accident stats.  (2) A "gun safety" class is Politically Correct, and likely to     be viewed positively by the public and the media.  (3) Most of the students are 'normal people' (not gun enthusiasts)     and this kind of class gives us the chance to give them a     gentle introduction to firearms.  (4) Some of the students are enthusiastic, and will purchase a gun     and become more involved in shooting or personal defense.  (5) It improves the public perception of our club and gun owners     in general.  Our students see that we are all reasonable,     non-aggressive, soft-spoken people, which helps to mitigate     the standard image of a hardcore gun owner.  Even anti-gun     students sometimes tell us they have "something new to think     about" with regards to personal gun ownership.  (6) Sharing our experience with others is a lot of fun.  Our course is the standard NRA-certified "Home Firearm Safety" class, and our students pay only $5 for materials.  We also teach the NRA's "Personal Protection" class, although the cost is higher for that one since we have to purchase range time.  I think firearms safety classes are an excellent response to gun buy-backs.                                 -- Alane --    /-----------------------------------------------------------------\   /   NOBODY shares my opinions,    |    "I am a jelly doughnut"      \  /    especially not my employer    |    -- President John F Kennedy   \ /-----------------------------------------------------------------------\
From: Mamatha Devineni Ratnam <mr47+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Real FAns Organization: Post Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu    There was a discussion about how real fans were ones who respect their teams no matter ow bad they are. That's bullshit. Anyone who would follow the Pens or the Pirates in parts of the early eighties on a devoted basis are losers. It's OK to follow and be concerned about your home team. But to  give them respect even when it is clear the management and the players suck should not be required of a true fan.A  true fan would follow the team in troubled times to the extent that they could discuss how to improve the team.  When I visit PIttsburgh, I'll refuse to go to a Pirates game since I think the management has given PIttsburgh a team which could have been much better even if they couldn't sign Barry Bonds. Lert's say the Pens start doing to their own team what the Oilers have done this year and what the Whalers have done in recent years, I would be hard pressed to show much enthusiasm for the team. I'll still follow it and bitch about it. But I won't waste my money on mediocre teams.  -P{ravin Ratnam
From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX Lines: 24 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu  cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: :mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: : :> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day :> in Texas.  : :Do YOU eat all your food cold?  Thank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it. I can't stand it when people's first reaction is to defend the aggressor.  Mr. Tavares, you have a unique and thoughtful way of getting to the heart of the matter, and I thank you for putting it to good use.  Mike Ruff   --  - This above all, to thine own      S T R I D E R      mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu -     self be true.  --Polonius     *  * *****    **  *  * **** ***** *** *   * Those who would sacrifice essential *  *   *     *  * *  * *      *    *  **  *    liberties for a little temporary *  *   *     **** *  * ****   *    *  * * *    safety deserve neither liberty   *  *   *     *  * *  *    *   *    *  *  **    nor safety.  --B. Franklin       ****   *     *  * **** ****   *   *** *   *
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) Subject: Re: guns=Amex AND new name..... Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA Lines: 107  Thomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes:  	Remember me, Tom?  I hope you'll respond, and I seem to be a Voice of Reason or some such (I've been recieving fan mail, so naturally my ego is somehwat inflated of late), and hope to make a few points here.  >I have NEVER spoken for a ban against guns in America ! >What I've said is that there seems to be to MANY of them, and especially >to many in wrong hands....  	And our argument is that you cannot remove them from the people who need restricting and not remove them from the people who don't.  A fairly simple problem, given our size and numbers.  Do you agree?  We all believe criminals, particularly violent criminals, should not have firearms.  The problem is making a law that does this without trodding upon the rights of the vast majority.  Nobody here seems to be able to do it, and I doubt anybody in Norway can either.  Thus, we are left with a philosophical difference: does the safety of a few justify restricting the many?  We say "no," while others say "yes."  >Now IF you would like to reduce the number, how would you do it without >affecting good/responcible gun owners ??  	Can you provide a method that cannot be abused?  I doubt it.  >I DO believe in a persons freedom. >What I don't believe is that you can have it all and don't pay for it.  	Of course.  This is not in contention.  What is in contention is how much one has to pay.  >MOST europeans believe in a society of individuals, and that you HAVE >to give 'a little' to make that society work.  	It is this "giving a little" that makes Americans wary... We have seen this argument before.  You might remember how a Chamberlain "gave a little" to a particular fascist/short asshole, and how such "appeasement" worked.  While it might work in some instances, it doesn't work in others, and since we cannot predict the future we must be cautious in using actions that have a history of failure.  >Cars and guns should really not be mixed, I just tried to make a point. >Like America, Norway has some spaces you have to cross to get from a to b, >so a car is essential in most parts.... >Guns on the other hand are not essential in Norway, so we don't  >argue that IF we 'banned' guns we HAVE to ban cars.....  	Cars are not essential in Norway any more than they are in the USA.  I'm willing to bet that you have neighbors that would be willing to drive you anywhere you wanted to go for a price.  Thus, cars are not essential for your transportation.  However, the arguments presented show that, since cars are used to kill far more people than guns in the USA, it makes much more sense to restrict cars than it does guns.  How one defines "essential" often depends upon what one is willing to go through for that service.  When we look at the raw data, such comparisons are not individually weighed.  >EVERYONE who believe that Hitler and WW2 could be avoided if there were >more guns in Germany in the 30's: PLEASE read some HISTORY!  	This depends upon what the populace was willing to do.  As Desert Storm proved, even an armed populace won't just revolt even when given a chance.  Still, would Hitler have done all that he did with an armed populace?  We have to wonder, as some of his first acts were to confiscate firearms.  Other points in history show that dictators were overthrown by arms in the hands of the populace. Thus, we're left wondering if Hitler would have been overthrown or if King George was just unlucky in keeping the USA as a colony. One can argue both sides; one also has to live with each action.  >Is this discussion about >1. Banning weapons for ALL Americans >            or >2. Making it harder for criminals to get one ??  	It is about #2, but so far all proposals to curtail #2 have wound up enforcing #1 as well.  I only wish that "or" was so logical.  >Change of name.......  	That was, on my part, purely in jest.  I merely pointed out how we were from similar backgrounds racially, but of wholly different backgrounds politically.  I thought this would underscore my point on how our cultures were so different despite similar heritage.  >Did the BATF get the warrant for a gun search only or was there other reasons. >(Child abuse for instance)  	BATF can *only* enforce gun/tobaccco/alcohol violations.  Child abuse is a matter for the individual states and local authorities.  >Doesn't the people reading this newsgroup have access to the clari.news.*  >hierarcy ??  (Some seems rather mis/unInformed)  	That hierarchy is a paid-for feed at many sites.  Most people do not get it for this reason, and I suspect money, not censorship, is the main reason.  Do you get alt.sex* at your site?  I can't read it here because of censorship and legal fears, so again our differences show. You have topless sunbathing, and in the USA we can watch a murder every fifteen seconds and yet breasts are forbidden on television.  < Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > <  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  > <     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      > <                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >
From: triumvir@cco.caltech.edu (Martin W. Lin) Subject: Audio/Electronic Parts, esp in Los Angeles Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu  I'm working on an audio mixer project, but I'm having trouble finding parts.  I want to use op-amps for the gain control stages.  The ones I have found that are good for audio are LM739 and LM833, but I cannot find either of these in the electronic parts places I've looked.  Are there any good substitute op-amps and/or are there any parts suppliers in the LA area that carry this kind of thing (10KOhm dual audio taper slider pots would be nice, too).  Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.  Martin Lin triumvir@cco.caltech.edu 
From: PETCH@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck) Subject: Daily Verse Lines: 6      This is what the LORD Almighty says: "You who now hear these words spoken by the prophets who were there when the foundation was laid for the house of the LORD Almighty, let your hands be strong so that the temple may be built.  Zechariah 8:9
From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Subject: Re: food-related seizures? Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science Lines: 21  In article <116305@bu.edu> dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) writes: > >Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the >literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains >tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might >potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it. >Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested.  Years ago when I was an intern, an obese young woman was brought into the ER comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures why attending a "corn festival".  We pumped her stomach and obtained what seemed like a couple of liters of corn, much of it intact kernals.   After a few hours she woke up and was fine.  I was tempted to sign her out as "acute corn intoxication."   --  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon."  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: dbushong@wang.com (Dave Bushong) Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? Organization: Wang Labs, Lowell MA, USA Distribution: usa Lines: 2603  adair@atldbs.dbsoftware.com (Owen Adair) writes:  >In article <1993Apr20.173506.2288@dlss2> james@dlss2 (James Cummings) writes: >>Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.misc >>Path: atldbs!uupsi!psinntp!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!bogus.sura.net!darwin.sura.net!convex!seas.smu.edu!void!dalnet!dlss2!james >>From: james@dlss2 (James Cummings) >>Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? >>Message-ID: <1993Apr20.173506.2288@dlss2> >>Organization: RedRock Development >>References: <1993Apr17.023017.17301@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> >>Distribution: usa >>Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 17:35:06 GMT >>Lines: 1021 >>In article <1993Apr17.023017.17301@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (John Wang) writes: >> |Hi, everybody: >> |    I guess my subject has said it all.  It is getting boring >> |looking at those same old bmp files that came with Windows.  So, >> |I am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file >> |I can share.  Or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for >> |some bmp files, like some scenery files, some animals files, >> |etc....  I used to have some, unfortunately i delete them all. >> | >> |Anyway could me give me some help, please??? >> | >> >>	In response to a "different" kinda wallpaper, here's what I >>use.  I think the original gif/whatever was called "not_real".  The  >>artist name and logo is in the lower right corner.  You will need VGA >>I think, and I have this sized for 800x600 256 color screens.  Use >>this in your Windows directory and do not tile it.  Hope you enjoy. >> >>  Try this one on for size.  I'd rather not post her name, but if you email me, I'll tell you who she is.  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From: rjf@lzsc.lincroftnj.ncr.com (51351[efw]-Robert Feddeler(MT4799)T343) Subject: Re: centrifuge Organization: AT&T Middletown N.J. U.S.A. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Distribution: usa Lines: 16  Mr. Blue (car@access.digex.com) wrote: : Could somebody explain to me what a centrifuge is and what it is : used for? I vaguely remembre it being something that spins test tubes : around really fast but I cant remember why youd want to do that?   Purely recreational.  They get bored sitting in that rack all the time.    -- bob.					   | I only smile when I lie, You can learn more in a bar		   | And I'll tell you why... 	than you can in a lawyer's office. | Were these more than just my opinions, they would have cost a bit more.
From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) Subject: Re: SHO and SC Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 53 Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu   In a previous article, a207706@moe.dseg.ti.com (Robert Loper) says:  >In article <C5L8rE.28@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: >>In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes: >>>In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: >>>>In article <chrissC587qB.D1B@netcom.com> chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes: >>>> >> >>Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is >>beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a >>regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to >>say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg >>disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an >>SHO anyway.  >> >>I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic >>transmissions from all "performance-type" cars (like the 5.0l >>Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we'd cut down on the number of >>accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans, >>but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO. >> >>				James >> >I have to disagree with this.  I have a 92 Z28 with a 350 and a 4-speed auto >w/ overdrive, and it is really better that way.  Chevy autos are reknowned >for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power.  I live  >in the Dallas area, and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic  >here.  Now if I still lived out in the sticks like I used to, a manual would be >more fun.   > >Safety-wise, an auto is less distracting...I would hate to have to be     >shifting gears while I was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here. >Performance-wise, I can hold my own against any stock 5.0 Mustang or 5.0 >Camaro w/ a five speed.   > >All of this IMHO... :)  all of my HO's disagree with your HO's.  I LOVED Dallas rush hour in my stick.. detested it in the auto(like i did any other time in the auto...).  Of course, Dalls rush hours are nothing, from what i hear..if i lived in LA, i might be of a different persuasion.  And, just for the record, rarely do you shift gears when merging into traffic..that is what 5 speeds are good for..4th is good up through around 80-90, most of the time, so you can just wind it out.. it's not going to hurt anything, and keeps it in the powerband anyway.. only shift into top gear when you are exceeding redline in 4th(fairly rare, unless you drive a ferrari or some such, i'd bet) or when you hit cruising  speed where you feel comfortable(or when my mother is sitting in the  passanger seat complaining about how you wind her "poor little engine" way too hi :-) Just my HO's..  DREW
From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls) Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. Reply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM News-Software: UReply 3.1 X-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com             <C65FDw.E8E@news.cso.uiuc.edu> Lines: 11  In <C65FDw.E8E@news.cso.uiuc.edu> George F. Krumins writes: >According to this reasoning there are no rights, at least none that I can think >of.... >   You've got it. What you regard as a right, someone else will regard as a privilege. Followups to some generic ethics and morality newsgroup ....  ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Nicholls ...         : Vidi nicho@vnet.ibm.com or     : Vici nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk : Veni
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From: bourman@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Bob Bourman) Subject: Microcom MicroPorte Pocket modem For Sale Organization: the HP Corporate notes server Lines: 26  / hpcc01:comp.dcom.modems / bourman@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Bob Bourman) /  8:59 am  Apr 27, 1993 / / hpcc01:comp.dcom.modems / bourman@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Bob Bourman) /  8:51 am  Apr 27, 1993 / For Sale 12KBps  Microcom MicroPorte 1042 pocket modem New List Price $895  Rechargeable battery pack (in modem) Auto logon, Password security, UUCP and Kermit support, remote access DTLA cellular connection, MNP2-4, V.42 & MNP10 error correction MNP5 & V.42bis data compression Bell 103,212A,V.22,V.22bis & Microcom Turbo Mode 19,200 DTE & 12,000bps DCE speed 9 & 25 pin adapter cable & AC power transformer   Make Offer (>$200) Bob Bourman (415) 857-8409 E-Mail bourman@corp.hp.com   ----------  ---------- 
From: tsar.Princeton.EDU!fuchs (Ira H. Fuchs) Subject: Re: Removing battery corrosion Originator: news@nimaster Nntp-Posting-Host: tsar.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University Lines: 17  In article <1993Apr26.165902.239@uvm.edu> me170pjd@emba-news.uvm.edu.UUCP   (Peter J Demko) writes: > From article <1993Apr25.201129.1239@Princeton.EDU>, by   fuchs@tsar.princeton.edu (Ira H. Fuchs): > > Is there a readily available solvent that does a good job at removing   the   > > corrosion/encrustation that collects on the battery terminals (usually   the   > > cathode) when using alkaline batteries (or more accurately, when NOT   using   > > them for a long time)?  >  generally,  the corrosion is a signal that it's time to send them >  of to the recyclers, but if you're that desperate or cheap try  > baking soda and a wire brush. use gloves and goggles, please!  Sorry, I meant the terminals in the device not on the batteries (which are   obviously quite dead).
From: baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters) Subject: Mathcad 4.0 swap file? Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO Lines: 119  Reposting and summarizing, for your information or additional comment.  *** THIS IS LONG ***  I have 16MB of memory on my 386SX (25 MHz), an Intel math coprocessor, and a 120MB hard drive with 20MB free (no compression).  I have been running Mathcad 3.1, under Windows 3.1 in enhanced mode, with a 5MB RAM drive, 2MB/1MB Smart drive, and no swap file (permanent or temporary) for several months.  I am interested in the faster Mathcad 4.0, but I am concerned about reported swap file requirements and the legitimacy of Mathsoft's claim about increased speed.  TO 386SX USERS:    Will Mathcad 4.0 run without a swap file, or insist that I use a swap file?  So far, in response to a less detailed description of my setup, or in unrelated postings, the more informed answers, on the net or by E-mail, appear to be:    1) by fuess@llnl.gov (David A. Fuess) >>     >> According to Mathsoft, no. Mathcad uses the swap file extensively so as    >> not to overburden the physical resources. They say this is actually a    >> win32s feature. A figure of 10MB was indicated to me as a minimum. But    >> you might try anyway!    2) by bert.tyler@satalink.com (Bert Tyler) >>     >> I'm not all that certain that Mathcad is the culprit here.    >>    >> I have a 486/66DX2 with 16MB of main memory (less 2MB for a RAMdisk and    >> a bit for a DOS session that is opened as part of the startup process),    >> which I have been running without any swapfile.  When I installed the    >> WIN32s subsystem from the March Beta of the NT SDK, the WIN32s subsystem    >> itself demanded the presence of a swapfile.  The only WIN32s program    >> I've run to date is the 32-bit version of Freecell that came with that    >> subsystem.    >>    >> I gave Windows a small temporary swapfile (I'm leery of files that must    >> remain in fixed locations on my hard disk), and all seems well.    3) by bca@ece.cmu.edu (Brian C. Anderson) >>     >> What is Win32?  I upgraded to Mathcad 4.0 and it installed a directory for    >> Win32 under \windows\system .  During the upgrade it told me that win32    >> was required.    4) by case0030@student.tc.umn.edu (Steven V Case-1) >>    >> MathCad 4.0 makes use of the Win32s libraries.  You've probably   >> heard about Win32s, it is a 32-bit Windows library that provides   >> much of the Windows NT functionality (no support for threads and   >> multitasking and such) but can be run under Windows 3.1.    5) by rhynetc@zardoz.chem.appstate.edu (Thomas C. Rhyne) >>     >> I also have 16 Mb of ram, and indeed Mathcad 4.0 insisted on a permanent    >> swapfile; it would not run otherwise.    6) by bishop@baeyer.chem.fsu.edu (Greg Bishop) >>     >> 3) MathCAD absolutely requires 4MB RAM (with 12MB swap file) or 8MB RAM    >> (with 8MB swap file).  It will give you a not enough memory error if the    >> swap file is less than 8MB.  It is a MAJOR resource hog.  If you do not    >> load the symbolic processor or the smart math, it takes about 5MB of RAM    >> (real or virtual) just to load (again, due to the win32s libraries.  ******************************************************************************** *                                                                              * * So it seems that in addition to the system requirements shown on Mathsoft's  * * advertisement for 4.0, that you need a swap file, possibly as big as 12MB.   * * Looks like I would just need an 8MB swap file, and would need to choose (or  * * can I?) between a faster permanent swap file, or a slower temporary swap file* *                                                                              * * Apparently a Win32 subsystem ships with Mathcad 4.0 - how much disk space    * * does this require?                                                           * *                                                                              * ********************************************************************************  I also received these answers:    1) by mfdjh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Dale Hample) >>     >> If you've got 16 megs of RAM, why not configure 10megs as a ram disk for    >> Mathcad?  DOS 6 permits different bootup configurations.  ******************************************************************************** *                                                                              * * Can Mathcad 4.0 + Win32 be configured to use such a RAM drive instead of a   * * swap file?  If not, I don't see how using DOS 6.0 for an alternate bootup    * * would provide Windows with this swap file.   Some time back I remember a     * * discussion about the issues of using a RAM drive to support a swap file,     * * but I thought this involved slower, < 8MB systems.                           * *                                                                              * * I have DOS 6.0 but for various reasons have not yet done a full installation.* *                                                                              * * By the way, is a full installation of DOS 6.0 required to avail oneself of   * * the "alternate bootup" feature?  Which files from the installation disks are * * required?                                                                    * *                                                                              * ********************************************************************************    2) by wild@access.digex.com (Wildstrom) >>     >> Presumeably, you mean without a _permanent_ swap file. If Windows needs a    >> swap file, it will upo and create one if a permanent one doesn't exist.    >> Permanent is generally faster though. I don't know why Mathcad wouldn't    >> be happy with either type--Ver. 3.0 is and so should any program conforming    >> to the Win specification.  ********************************************************************************* *                                                                               * * So far, 16MB has been enough RAM to avoid the overhead of running ANY swap    * * file - I have been running Mathcad 3.1 under Windows 3.1 without one.         * *                                                                               * *********************************************************************************
Subject: Re: Don't more innocents die without the death penalty? From: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) Distribution: world,local Organization: University of Arizona Nntp-Posting-Host: skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41     Lines: 21  In article <chrisb.734068710@bAARNie>, chrisb@tafe.sa.edu.au (Chris BELL) writes... >	killing is wrong >	if you kill we will punish you >	our punishment will be to kill you. >  >Seems to be lacking in consistency.  Not any more so than        holding people against their will is wrong       if you hold people against their will we will punish you       our punishment will be to hold you against your will  Is there any punishment which isn't something which, if done by a private person to another private person for no apparent reason, would lead to punishment?  (Fines, I suppose.)  Jim Lippard              Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU Dept. of Philosophy      Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721
From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics Organization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things Lines: 40  timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: >  >OK, you have disproved one thing, but you failed to "nail" me. > >See, nowhere in my post did I claim that something _must_ be believed in.  Here >are the three possibilities: > >	1) God exists.  >	2) God does not exist. >	3) I don't know. > >My attack was on strong atheism, (2).  Since I am (3), I guess by what you said >below that makes me a weak atheist.   [snip] >First of all, you seem to be a reasonable guy.  Why not try to be more honest >and include my sentence afterwards that   Honest, it just ended like that, I swear!    Hmmmm...I recognize the warning signs...alternating polite and rude...coming into newsgroup with huge chip on shoulder...calls people names and then makes nice...whirrr...click...whirrr  "Clam" Bake Timmons = Bill "Shit Stirrer Connor"  Q.E.D.  Whirr click whirr...Frank O'Dwyer might also be contained in that shell...pop stack to determine...whirr...click..whirr  "Killfile" Keith Allen Schneider = Frank "Closet Theist" O'Dwyer =  the mind reels.  Maybe they're all Bobby Mozumder.  --  Maddi Hausmann                       madhaus@netcom.com Centigram Communications Corp        San Jose California  408/428-3553  Kids, please don't try this at home.  Remember, I post professionally. 
Subject: Omnipotence (was Re: Speculations) From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com Lines: 55  In article <2942949719.2.p00261@psilink.com>, "Robert Knowles" <p00261@psilink.com> writes: >>DATE:   Fri, 2 Apr 1993 23:02:22 -0500 >>FROM:   Nanci Ann Miller <nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu> >> >> >>> > 3. Can god uncreate itself? >>>  >>> No.  For if He did, He would violate His own nature which He cannot do. >>> It is God's nature to Exist.  He is, after all, the "I AM" which is >>> a statement of His inherent Existence.  He is existence itself. >>> Existence cannot "not-exist". >> >>Then, as mentioned above, he must not be very omnipotent. >>  What do you mean by omnipotent here?  Do you mean by "omnipotent" that God should be able to do anything/everything?  This creates a self-contradictory definition of omnipotence which is effectively useless.  To be descriptive, omnipotence must mean "being all-powerful" and not "being able to do anything/everything".  Let me illustrate by analogy. Suppose the United States were the only nuclear power on earth.  Suppose further that the US military could not effectively be countered by any nation or group of nations.  The US has the power to go into any country at any time for any reason to straighten things out as the leaders of the US see fit.  The US would be militarily "omnipotent".  But suppose further that the US holds to a doctrine/philosophy of not interfering in the internal affairs of any nation, such as the current civil war in the former Yugoslavian states.  Technically (in this scenario) the US would have the power to  unilaterally go into Yugoslavia and straighten out the mess.  But effectively the US could not intervene without violating its own policy  of non-interference.  If the policy of non-interference were held to strongly enough, then there would never be a question that it would ever be violated.  Effectively, the US would be limited in what it could actually do, although it had the power to do "whatever it wanted". The US would simply "never want to interfere" for such an idea would be beyond the consideration of its leaders given such an inviolate non-interference policy.  God is effectively limited in the same sense.  He is all powerful, but He cannot use His power in a way that would violate the essence of what He, Himself is.  I hope this helps to clear up some of the misunderstanding concerning omnipotence.  Regards,  Jim B.
From: bnc@portia.si.macsch.com (Brian Casey) Subject: Re: MAC DISKS IN WINDOWS? Organization: The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation Lines: 27  In article <1993May17.045558.14180@seas.gwu.edu> louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes: >In article <1t6efv$1pj@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca> gel@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Gilles KHOUZAM) writes: >>>Macsee.zip on ftp.cica.indiana.edu is supposed to read and write Mac disks.   >>>I've never tried it, though.  Good luck >> >>I just tried it, but I can't say that it works, 'cause it doesn't read 800K >>disks, it only reads 1.44Mb. If there a program that does read 800K disks, >>please let me know. > > >Well, you can't say that it don't work.  The inability to read 800k mac >disks is not a SW problem.  Rather, it's a HARDWARE limmitation on PCs.  > >I have seen a post about a program able to read non-1.44Mb Mac disks, >which comes with a watchamacalit <ma memory's faling> card, which you >just drop into a com port or something.  Don't remember specifics, tho. >peace, >Mickey  On all 1.44Mb drives (both Mac and PC), the disk spins at a constant RPM.  On 800k Mac disk drives, the spin rate of the disk is varied so  that the tracks pass under the head at a constant speed; a slower rotation for the outer tracks, and a faster rotation for the inner tracks.  A PC needs special controller hardware to make this happen.  Brian Casey bnc@macsch.com
From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) Subject: Re: Shipping costs Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL Lines: 71  In article <1pd24e$745@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, kxj6@po.CWRU.Edu (Kijin Jung) writes: |>  |> In a previous article, tomc@arezzo.oas.olivetti.com (Tom Carlino) says: |>  |> >Recently I bought a musical instrument through the internet and had |> >it shipped to me via UPS ground. The shipping was done through a |> >mail box service, Mailboxes, Etc.  Being somewhat surprised at the |> >price, I compared prices of shipping this way to shipping directly |> >through UPS and this is a summary.  I am not making any endorsements |> >or condemnations but merely presenting the facts from which you may |> >draw your own conclusions. |> > |>  |> I've encountered the same thing with Mailboxes, Etc. and I suggest |> anyone to use the original UPS service if at all possible. Shipping |> to Virginia from Cleveland was around $20 for 12 pounds, and C.O.D. |> was $8.00, as opposed to $4.50 for UPS.  I'll third the opinion about this outfit/franchise. Now, when I buy over the net and pick up the shipping costs, I'll specify that I only pick up the normal UPS charges (as if delivered directly to UPS), as I've been burned by $10 shipping charges for a $2.49 pkg. I will never use a mailing service unless I don't have the right box and the buyer needs whatever IMMEDIATELY. I'll also tell the person, if they agreed to pick up shipping, what is going on.  Other things to watch out for/consider:  	The rates are $5 to $30 higher than UPS direct.  	For a non-UPS (truck) package, they quoted a rate 	of $85. Fed Ex economy air was only $85 for the 	same weight! RPS (a trucking package company, in many 	cities) only wanted $18. Guess who got it. The Mailbox 	operator told me I was not telling the truth about 	competitors' rates, said RPS was unreliable (I've used them 	before with NO problems), etc. Right.  	A COD check goes to the mailing service. Our local 	Mailbox then takes its sweet time mailing me the 	remade check. All this for an additional $3.00 over the 	UPS COD charge. What a deal.... :-)  	For packages over $100, they charge you about double over 	what UPS charges them for insurance. I've never had 	a claim, but other netters (is Ralph Seguin out there?) 	have told horror stories about them...  	All package traces have to be done through Mailbox by 	Mailbox.  	Our local Mailbox operator told me I was lying when I 	asked him why their rates were stratospheric compared 	to direct UPS. Does he ever check? Probably not...  	Their UPS ground rates come close to Fed Ex's economy 	air rate, and Fed Ex will pick up!  	UPS will pick up for a $5 charge in most areas! 	 --  --------------------------------------------------------------------        Dave Medin			Phone:	(205) 730-3169 (w)     SSD--Networking				(205) 837-1174 (h)     Intergraph Corp.        M/S GD3004 		Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com   Huntsville, AL 35894		UUCP:  ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin     ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******   * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine)
From: hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) Subject: Re: Hell_2:  Black Sabbath Organization: University of Georgia, Athens Lines: 8  In article <Apr.22.00.57.03.1993.2118@geneva.rutgers.edu> jprzybyl@skidmore.edu (jennifer przybylinski) writes: >I may be wrong, but wasn't Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath?   Yes, he was.  He also played Jesus in "Jesus Christ Superstar" before  he became a Christian.  He played in Black Sabbath right after he first  got saved, but then left it.  Link Hudson.
From: atae@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Ata Etemadi) Subject: Re: Internet resources Nntp-Posting-Host: prawn.sp.ph Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, London, England Distribution: sci Lines: 31  In article <C69C9K.9FA.1@cs.cmu.edu>, STK1203@VAX003.STOCKTON.EDU writes: -| I am taking a course entitled "Exploring Science Using Internet". -| For our final project, we are to find a compendium of Internet resources  -| dealing with a science-related topic. I chose Astronomy. Anyway, I was  -| wondering if anyone out there knew of any interesting resources on Internet -| that provide information on Astronomy, space, NASA, or anything like that. -|  -| THANKS! -|  -|   KEITH MALINOWSKI -|   STK1203@VAX003.Stockton.EDU -|   P.O. Box 2472 -|   Stockton State College -|   Pomona, New Jersey 08240  Try doing a keyword search under Gopher using Veronica or accessing a  World Wide Web server. Also finger yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu for a list of Internet resources which includes 2-3 sites with Space-specific  information. I am sure Ron Baalke will have told you about what is available at JPL etc..  	best regards 		Ata <(|)>. --  | Mail          Dr Ata Etemadi, Blackett Laboratory,                          | |               Space and Atmospheric Physics Group,                          | |               Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine,        | |               Prince Consort Road, London SW7 2BZ, ENGLAND                  | | Internet/Arpanet/Earn/Bitnet atae@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk or ata@c.mssl.ucl.ac.uk  | | Span                              SPVA::atae       or     MSSLC:atae        | | UUCP/Usenet                       atae%spva.ph.ic@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk        |
From: odysseas@umbc.edu (Odysseas Pentakalos) Subject: Re: UNIX PC Software for sale Article-I.D.: umbc7.1r769tINN25h Distribution: world Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc7.umbc.edu X-Auth-User: odysseas    	Hello,  		I have two 3b1s for sale. One of them is a 1MB RAM 	and the other one is a 2MB RAM system. They are both running 	the 3.51m version and I have loaded lots of software on them 	from the network like gcc, emacs, tex/latex and so on. I am 	asking $500 for the 1MB, and $650 for the 2MB model or best  	offer.  ______________________________________________________________________________  Odysseas Pentakalos				odysseas@umbc7.umbc.edu or  University of Md. Electrical Engineering Dept.  					odysseas@polaris.medinfo.ab.umd.edu  (301) 498-3749					(410) 706-2042 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) Subject: FLYERS notes 4/17 Organization: AT&T Keywords: FLYERS/Whalers summary Lines: 200    The FLYERS closed out the season last night with their 8th straight victory, a 5-4 OT winner over the Hartford Whalers. The OT game winner came from Dimitri Yushkevich, just his 5th of the season and his first game winner. The FLYERS never led up until that point in the game. For the Whalers, the loss marked an NHL record 9th OT loss this season.  Roster move:  Gord Hynes was called to to play in place of Ryan McGill  Injuries:  Ryan McGill injured his hand in a fight 4/15 and was scratched.  Lines:  Eklund-Lindros-Recchi Beranek-Brind'Amour-Dineen Lomakin-Butsayev-Conroy Faust-Acton-Brown  Galley-Bowen Yushkevich-Hawgood Carkner-Hynes  Dominic Roussel  Game Summary:  I didn't get TV coverage of the game, and since it was stormy in these parts I didn't have the best radio coverage either. Here's the box score followed by a few things I did pick up:  First Period: 	Hartford, Nylander 10, 8:51 	Philadelphia, Recchi 53 (Lindros, Brind'Amour), 19:59.8 (pp) Penalties - Verbeek, Har (holding), :55; Carkner, Phi (roughing), 13:53; Houda, Har (interference) 18:43  Second Period: 	Hartford, Burt 6 (Cunneyworth, Kron), 2:00 	Philadelphia, Bowen 1 (Eklund, Recchi), 7:09 	Hartford, Nylander 11 (Zalapski, Sanderson), 9:38 Penalties - Galley, Phi, major-game misconduct (spearing) :58; Verbeek, Har major-game misconduct (spearing), :58; Brown, Phi (tripping), 3:22; Zalapski, Har (tripping), 15:51; Brind'Amour, Phi (slashing), 19:50  Third Period: 	Hartford, Kron 14 (Sanderson, Cassels), 1:24 (pp) 	Philadelphia, Beranek 15 (Lomakin, Yushkevich), 3:11 	Philadelphia, Faust 2 (Brind'Amour, Roussel), 3:38 Penalties - Houda, Har (tripping), 4:20; Hawgood, Phi (holding), 5:30  Overtime: 	Philadelphia, Yushkevich 5 (Faust), 1:15. Penalties - None  Power Play: 	Philadelphia 1 of 4, Hartford 1 of 4  Goalies: 	Philadelphia, Roussel 14-11-5 (30 shots - 26 saves) 	Hartford, Lenarduzzi, 1-1-1 (38 - 33)  On the first Hartford goal, Gord Hynes misplayed the puck at the FLYERS blue line and Nylander stripped him and took off.  The Recchi goal was a 2 on 1 with Lindros.  The Bowen goal was just a puck he threw at the net, got a good carom and it ended up behind the goalie.  On the second Nylander goal he got three whacks at the puck before it went in. This is the most frustrating part of the FLYERS defense. Take the body, and if they get one shot and beat you fine. Don't give them another chance. Carkner, Galley and McGill are all terrible about this, I'll bet money at least one of them was the closest FLYER to the play.  That's all I have, my radio got bad after that and I was lucky to know who it was that scored, much less how.  From what I heard, Roussel had a very strong game. After the game, Gene Hart asked Bobby Taylor to pick the three stars of the season rather than of the game. It was Garry Galley #3 for his career high point total (I'm surprised that a former goalie wouldn't look closer at his defensive play), Tommy  Soderstrom #2 for his team record tying 5 shutouts in only about 1/2 a season and, Mark Recchi #1 for his all time high team single season scoring mark. But here's the odd part. He couldn't decide between Lindros and Recchi for number 1. If he picks Recchi as #1 after he had a hard time choosing between him and Lindros, doesn't that make Lindros #2????  What? You wanna know my three stars of the season? Well, since you asked...  #1 Eric Lindros. Eric dominates a game simply by stepping out onto the ice. The difference between the team's record with him and without him is no accident. I believe that the team could have been almost as successful without Recchi. There is no question that this team is significantly better with Eric Lindros on it, and I think that he will deservedly wear the 'C' on his jersey next season.  #2 Tommy Soderstrom. 5 shutouts was second in the league to only Ed Belfour, and Tommy didn't have a Chris Chelios (booo) in front of him. He also didn't play a complete season due to heart problems (sentimental edge here, my family has a history of heart problems). There's no question in my mind that Tommy Soderstrom is this teams goalie of the future, and if Roussel complains again about being number 2 look for him to be traded within 2 years.  #3 Mark Recchi. Again, you can't argue with an all-time team high single season scoring mark. There are an awful lot of teams that didn't have a single player get as many points. Plus, Mark is the only FLYER to play the entire season. Not a tough choice.  Honorable mentions: Rod Brind'Amour topped his single season high point total which he set last year. The difference was that he wasn't on the top line this year and didn't get as much playing time. Then again, he didn't get the defensive attention that he got last year from the other team either.  Dimtri Yushkevich was the teams most consistent defenseman. Yes, he made rookie mistakes, but he was usually fast enough to make up for them. I have a feeling that with his shot he'll score a few more points next year without giving up anything in his own zone, and I suspect that he'll be the teams top defenseman in years to come.  Garry Galley was the team's point leader from defensemen. Again, there are some things you just can't argue with. And he battled with chronic fatigue syndrome, he certainly deserves kudos for only missing one game, and that was against his wishes under doctors orders. But his defensive play often negates his offensive contribution. A little more caution, and a little bit smarter in his own end will make him a much more important part of the team next year.  Brent Fedyk was the leagues biggest improvement over last years point total. But consistency became a problem for him.  A couple misc notes mostly for mailing list members:  Tom Misnik, a member of the mailing list, would like to exchange E-mail addresses with any list members who want to keep in touch over the summer. If you're interested, you can send him mail at:  att!ACR.ORG!TMISNIK  The FLYERS end the season 1 game below .500 in 5th place, their best winning percentage since going .500 in 1988-89. 14-20-3 within the division (4th in Patrick), 23-14-5 at home. They finished 17th overall, will draft 10th in next years entry draft (Quebec had the 1st rounder, though). They scored as many goals as they allowed, 319.  The 8 straight wins is the most since they won 13 in a row in 1985.  I will be sending out final stats as soon as I get the issue of the Hockey News that contains them, since there are no more games for me to go to I have no other way of getting them.  I hope you've all enjoyed this years hockey season as much as I have. Knowing the future that we have coming to us made missing the playoffs one more time almost bearable.  FLYERS team record watch:  Eric Lindros:  41 goals, 34 assists, 75 points  (rookie records) club record goals:			club record points: Eric Lindros	40 1992-93		Dave Poulin	76 1983-84 Brian Propp	34 1979-80		Brian Propp	75 1979-80 Ron Flockhart	33 1981-82		Eric Lindros	75 1992-93 Dave Poulin	31 1983-84		Ron Flockhart	72 1981-82 Bill Barber	30 1972-73		Pelle Eklund	66 1985-86  Mark Recchi:  53 goals, 70 assists, 123 points.  club record goals:			club record points: Reggie Leach	61 1975-76		Mark Recchi	123 1992-93* Tim Kerr	58 1985-86,86-87	Bobby Clarke	119 1975-76 Tim Kerr	54 1983-84,84-85	Bobby Clarke	116 1974-75 Mark Recchi	53 1992-93*		Bill Barber	112 1975-76 Rick Macliesh	50 1972-73		Bobby Clarke	104 1972-73 Bill Barber	50 1975-76		Rick Macliesh	100 1972-73 Reggie Leach	50 1979-80  *More than 80 games.  FLYERS career years:  Player		Points	Best Prior Season Mark Recchi	123	113 (90-91 Penguins) Rod Brind'Amour	86	77 (91-92 FLYERS) Garry Galley	62	38 (84-85 Kings) Brent Fedyk	59	35 (90-91 Red Wings)  That's all for now...  pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact and mailing list owner 
From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) Subject: Re: Christianity and repeated lives Organization: Shell Oil Lines: 17  In article <May.11.02.38.37.1993.28288@athos.rutgers.edu> KEVXU@cunyvm.bitnet writes: > >Isn't Origen usually cited as the most prestigious proponent of reincarnation >among Christian thinkers?  What were his views, and how did he relate them >to the Christian scriptures?  He appears to have believed that.  He had a view which was condemned by conciliar action, which is often taken to be condemnation of the idea of reincarnation. What was actually condemned was the doctrine of the pre-existence of the soul before birth.  Similar, but not exactly the same thing.    Larry Overacker (ll@shell.com) --  ------- Lawrence Overacker Shell Oil Company, Information Center    Houston, TX            (713) 245-2965 llo@shell.com
From: lhe@sics.se (Lars-Henrik Eriksson) Subject: Re: How universal are phones these days? In-Reply-To: wd@cs.tu-berlin.de's message of 26 Apr 1993 10:20:23 GMT Lines: 22 Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista  In article <WD.93Apr26122020@sam.cs.tu-berlin.de> wd@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Diestelkamp) writes:    In article <1rg36hINNsr6@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> hugo@cats.ucsc.edu (Hugo Calendar) writes:     > I'm wondering if I can tote my American touch tone phone around with me    > to Sweden and Germany.  It's DC powered, and I can buy a special adapter    > for that in Europe.  The question is if the general electronics work    > the same.  I can buy a different wall plug and refit it (I'm sure I'd    > have to), but would that do the trick?     Two things to watch for:    In Germany (and I think the same holds for Sweden) only some    of the connections can handle tone dialing, so make sure the    phone can be set to pulse dialing.  Most (if not virtually all) swedish exchanges can handle tone dialling. Many older electromechanical exchanges have been modified accept tone dialling. -- Lars-Henrik Eriksson                            Internet: lhe@sics.se Swedish Institute of Computer Science           Phone (intn'l): +46 8 752 15 09 Box 1263                                        Telefon (nat'l): 08 - 752 15 09 S-164 28  KISTA, SWEDEN                         Fax: +46 8 751 72 30
From: ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca (Emile Woo) Subject: Help! - Disappearing Groups!!! Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca  Salutations! 	I don't usually subscribe to these newsgroups so I would really appreciate it if someone could possibly e-mail me the answer to my problem. I have been using Windows 3.1 since buying it last winter but I have just now come across an annoying bug. I now have about 8 different groups in program manager but it seems that everytime I install something new that makes a new group, it promptly disappears after I turn of windows! This happened when I installed Excel and WinFax Pro v.3. They both created their own groups but when I turned off windows and reran them, they were gone. I had to manually pull them up as new items and put them in a previously existing group as all new gropus disappear as soon as I turn off windows. 	my set up: 			precision 386dx-25 w/ 4 megs 			Trident 8900c with 1 meg  			Windows 3.1 running in 800x600 colour mode 			logitech mouseman 			 Thank you in advance!  Emile Woo ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca    --  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Emile Woo, Student Representative to Senate |  .sig unavailable. Holding  Internet: ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca                 | referendum to decide politic-  Tel: 822-6101                               | ally correct witticism. 
From: Tim Nagy <tn2c+@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: REe; MGB questions Organization: Cashier's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu  The whire wheels aren't chromed, they were to be painted silver/grey.  The accelerating from a stop shouldn't be "doggy" because of the light weight of the car.  Don't pull the topto make it reach the snaps, I pulled a couple out of the top doing that.  Replacing the spanps usually doesn't work.  Let it sit in th e sun, open on the car for a couple hours, the try,  GENTLY!!!!  I continually blew up the #4 connecting rod bearing, be sure your not buring too much oil.  Don't expect too much of a smooth ride.  The lever arm shocks hold the road, and your bladder.  The are ultra-expensive.  Supposedly the can be rebuilt.  J. C. Whitney sell a shock replacement kit the uses standard shocks.  I had to rebuid boththe brake and clutch master cylinder, in addition to the clutch slave.  This work made a world of changes.  Be sure the carb is the original type replacement.  My 1970 had dual Stomberg oil dampenned side draft carbs.  Ask if the clutch has ever been replaced.  To replace the engine and tranny have to be pulled as a unit.  If you need more, I had mine all through hiogh school.  Lots of maintenance to use every day. 
From: hamish@cloud.apana.org.au (Hamish Moffatt) Subject: Re: Mouse on Com3OM3 or COM4 in Windows Organization: Cloud Nine BBS, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 53  jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) writes:  > I am having a problem configuring the mouse in windows to use COM3 > with IRQ5.  I don't believe IRQ5 is the problem. I tried a mouse on COM3, IRQ4 (the usual place) and it still did not like it. Simply, Windows seems to only support mice on COM1 or COM2. The funny part is, though, that Microsoft's own mouse driver (8.xx) was quite happy with my mouse sitting on COM3. Why can't Windows use the mouse driver, or at least support COM3? :-)  > COM2Irq=3 > COM3Irq=5 > COM4Irq=7 > MaxComPort=4  I've tried this too. Actually, I wanted to be able to use my second modem (COM3/IRQ5) from Windows. It still will not talk to that modem. I created two profiles, AMSTRAD (for my Amstrad modem on COM1/IRQ4) and MAESTRO (for my Maestro on COM3/IRQ5). It will not talk to the Maestro at all.  > (1,5106830617) that their driver does not support COM3 and COM4 in windows. > Their suggestion was that the 'MicroSoft or PS/2' setting in windows > setup would work. It does not.  Nor here. (Windows 3.0).  > I can not believe that it is not possible. At worst, you would need a special > version of 'a' mouse driver that looked at COM3 and COM4 instead of COM1 > and COM2. I know that IRQ5 and IRQ7 are normally printer port IRQs, but I  I've seen nothing like that. I've experimented with Logitech's mouse driver too, with no sucess.  > have no printers attached. A side note is that I would really like to assign > COM4 to some higher IRQ, because my SoundBlaster board uses IRQ7 (right now, > I'm not using COM4), but no modem that I know of allows settings other than > IRQs 2,3,4,5, and 7.  If you have a SoundBlaster Pro, it should support IRQ10 as well. Finally, a board that supports IRQs >9. The only one I have (except my IDE controller).  hamish   Hamish Moffatt,      hamish@cloud.apana.org.au  APANA: The Australian Public Cloud Nine BBS,      3:635/552@fidonet          Access Network Association. Melbourne Australia  58:4100/43@intlnet         Mail info@apana.org.au Titanic Software.    Voice: +61-3-803-1326      for information. 
From: hjkim@hyowon.pusan.ac.kr (Hojoong Kim) Subject: Looking for Electronics Dept Info in Austrailia Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines:       13  Hi Netters!  I am looking for the list of universities in Austrailia, which has electronics department.  I am considering to spend a year for research in Austrailia about communication area. I am interested in Mobile communication areas and spread spectrum communications etc.  But I don't have any information about Austrailian Universities. Can anybody recommend a good university in communication area? Any comments will be welcomed!  Bye.  Jaehyung Kim 
From: guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Selim Guncer ) Subject: Re: Islam & Dress Code for women Organization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ Lines: 53  In article <16BA7103C3.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >In article <1993Apr5.091258.11830@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> >darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: >  >>(2) Do women have souls in Islam? >> >>People have said here that some Muslims say that women do not have >>souls.  I must admit I have never heard of such a view being held by >>Muslims of any era.  I have heard of some Christians of some eras >>holding this viewpoint, but not Muslims.  Are you sure you might not be >>confusing Christian history with Islamic history? >> >  >Yes, it is supposed to have been a predominant view in the Turkish >Caliphate. >   I am not aware of any "Turkish Caliphate" viewpoint on this. Can you reference?  However, I found a quote due to Imam Ali, whom the Shias follow:  "Men, never obey your women in any way whatsoever. Never let them give their advice on any matter whatsoever, even those of everyday life. Indeed, allow them freely to give advice on anything and they will fritter away one's wealth and disobey the wishes of the owner of this wealth.   We see them without religion, when, alone, they are left to their own devices; they are lacking in both pity and virtue when their carnal desires are at stake. It is easy to enjoy them, but they cause great anxiety. The most virtious among them are libertines. But the most corrupt are whores. Only those of them whom age has deprived of any charm are untainted by vice. They have three qualities particular to miscreants; they complain of being oppressed, whereas it is they who oppress; they make oaths, whereas they are lying; they pretend to refuse men's solicitations, whereas they desire them most ardently. Let us beg the help of God to emerge victorious from their evil deeds. And preserve us in any case from their good ones."  (Quote from Mas'ud al-Qanawi, ref. A. Bouhdiba, Sexuality in Islam,  p. 118).  I wouldn't consider this quote as being exemplary of the Islamic (TM) viewpoint though.  For all we know, the prophet's cousin and the Fourth Khalif Hazret-i Ali may have said this after a frustrating  night with a woman.  Selim Guncer  -- Selim E. Guncer               | Jaca negra, luna grande, CSSER-ASU                     | y aceitunas en mi alforja. (602)-965-4096                | Aunque sepa los caminos guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu     | yo nunca llegare a Cordoba.. (FGL)
From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? Article-I.D.: srl03.pgf.734063192 Organization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana Lines: 22  shag@aero.org (Rob Unverzagt) writes:  >In article <5APR199318045045@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >> According the IAU Circular #5744, Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e, may be >> temporarily in orbit around Jupiter.  The comet had apparently made a >> close flyby of Jupiter sometime in 1992 resulting in the breakup of the >> comet.  Attempts to determine the comet's orbit has been complicated by >> the near impossibility of measuring the comet's center of mass. >>  >Am I missing something -- what does knowing the comet's center >of mass do for you in orbit determination?  >Shag  I'm not sure, but it almost sounds like they can't figure out where the  _nucleus_ is within the coma. If they're off by a couple hundred miles, well, you can imagine the rest...  -- Phil Fraering         |"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff. pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison." Repo Man
From: coutsoft@cheshire.oxy.edu (Michael Coutsoftides) Subject: Sample Cd's for sale Organization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA. Lines: 23   I've got 2 sets of sample cd's for sale  set one (2cd's)-geared towards house/techno/pop and rap  The 1st cd is all drum loops and drum sounds over 1500 of them The second contains analog synths, basses, bass loops,  wavestations, vox loops and much much more.   The second set-  A variety of different sounds from new age to rock etc... kind of a sampler cd..(pardon the pun)  Both have never been used and I can supply a list of categories for the sounds if someone is seriously interested.  I'd like 130 for all three as they were $200ish new...  Michael  mail for more info 
Subject: FORTRAN library for MS-Windows From: traversmorgan@swell.actrix.gen.nz (Guan Lye Chua) Organization: Actrix Information Exchange Lines: 13   Hi!  I will like to know if there is a FORTRAN library for MS-Windows v3+ out there.  I have several lots of source code written by past A/Ps in MS-FORTRAN, and recently have needed to port them to MS-Windows... I would like to avoid a major code-rewrite if possible - maybe a WINDOWS library is all I need?  Please help - reply by E-mail to:  traversmorgan@swell.actrix.gen.nz --  Guan Lye Chua                                                               c/- Travers Morgan (NZ) Ltd, P O Box 11-525, Wellington, NZ.                Tel.: +64 4 471 0303   Fax.: +64 4 471 0353 
From: weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de (Weidlich) Subject: Searching for a phonetic font Organization: Institut f. Arbeitsphysiologie a.d. Uni Dortmund Lines: 13  I'm searching for a phonetic TrueType font for Windows 3.1. If  anybody knows one, please mail me!  Thanks.  dw    ################################################################## Dipl.-Inform. Dietmar Weidlich    # IfADo, Ardeystr. 67          # weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de # D-4600 Dortmund 50           # Phone ++49 231 1084-250           # >> Dr. B.: "Koennten Sie das # Fax   ++49 231 1084-401           #      MAL EBEN erledigen?" << #
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization: Case Western Reserve University Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu  In article <SUOPANKI.93Apr6024902@stekt6.oulu.fi> suopanki@stekt6.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki) writes: >:> God is eternal.    [A = B] >:> Jesus is God.      [C = A] >:> Therefore, Jesus is eternal.  [C = B] > >:> This works both logically and mathematically.  God is of the set of >:> things which are eternal.  Jesus is a subset of God.   Therefore >:> Jesus belongs to the set of things which are eternal. > >Everything isn't always so logical.... > >Mercedes is a car. >That girl is Mercedes. >Therefore, that girl is a car?  	This is not  strickly correct. Only by incorrect application of the  rules of language, does it seem to work.  	The Mercedes in the first premis, and the one in the second are NOT  the same Mercedes.   	In your case,   	A = B 	C = D 	 	A and D are NOT equal. One is a name of a person, the other the name of a object. You can not simply extract a word without taking the  context into account.   	Of course, your case doesn't imply that A = D.  	In his case, A does equal D.   	Try again...  ---          "One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that          say "Mom", because of the love of their mom.  It makes for more          virile men."          Bobby Mozumder  ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu )         April 4, 1993          The one TRUE Muslim left in the world.  
From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) Subject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God? Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 91  Vera Shanti Noyes writes:  >really?  you may be right, but i'd like proof.  as far as i know (and  "We however, shall be innocent of this sin, and will pray with earnest entreaty and supplication that the Creator of all may keep unharmed the numbers of His elect."     -St. Clement, Bishop of Rome, Letter to the Corinthians, 59.2, (c. 90 AD)  "Ignatius also called Theophorus, to the Church at Ephesus in Asia, which is worthy of all felicitation, blessed as it is with greatness by the fullness of God the Father, predestined from all eternity for a glory that is lasting and unchanging, united and chosen in true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God..."     -St. Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, Letter to the Ephesians, Address, (c 110 AD)  "We say therefore, that in substance, in concept, in orgin and in eminece, the ancient and Catholic Church is alone, gathering as it does into the unity of the one faith which results from the familiar covenants .... those already chosen, those predestined by God who knew before the foundation of the world that they would be just."     -St. Clement, Patriarch and Archbishop of Alexandria, Miscellanies, 7.17.107.3, (c 205 AD)  Of course the doctrine was explained more fully later on by Sts. Augustine, Aquinas, etc., but the seeds were ther from the beginning.  >this is really confusing to me, especially since i still believe that >christ jesus died for ALL of us.  preknowledge of obstinacy seems >like an awfully convoluted way to account for a couple of verses.  but  I think you are reading it wrong.  I say those who are not saved are not saved on account of their own sins.  It is not because God did not give them sufficient grace, for He does do so, in His desire that all men might be saved.  However, as only some are saved - and those who are saved are saved by the grace of God, "not by works, lest any man should boast" - the others are damned because of their obstinacy in refusing to heed the call of God.  They are damned by their own free will and chosing, a choice forseen by God in His causing them to be not predestined, but reprobated instead.  >so God uses grace like margarine: he only spreads it where it's needed >and not where it isn't?  and so there are the saved and the not-saved, >and nothing in between.  hmmmm.  Certainly God does not distribute grace evenly.  If He did, no one could have their heart hardened (or rather, harden their heart, thus causing God to withdraw His grace).  But, you are correct - the world is divided into those who God knows to be saved, and those God knows to be on the road to perdition.  THe key is that God knows it and we do not.  Thus, no one can boast in complete assurance that they are one of the elect and predestined.  But no one who is a Christian in good standin should doubt their salvation either (that shows a lack of trust in God).  >be punished after we die.  you're saying what we get after we die has >a direct bearing on how we live now?  strange....  You must admit it is possible.  Anyway, why would you want something in the hear and know, when you can recieve 100 fold in heaven?  Better to lay up your treasure in heaven is what Jesus said. This is not to condemn the rich, but simply to point out that those who are rich are frequently very evil or immoral, so God must give them their blessing know, as they have chosen.  Remeber, Jesus promised tribulation in this world, and hatred of others because we are Christians.  He did not promise heaven on earth.  He promised heaven.  >so sin is either punished now or later -- and not both?  what if it's > sort of half-punished?  are there any grey areas in this doctrine?  Not really.  Unless you do penance here on earth, you will have to do it in Purgatory, as Paul pointed out (1 Corinthians 3.15).  Those with poorer works, though still done with good intentions, will only be saved through fire (the damned will of course go into fire immeadiately, for whatever good they did was not for God but for self (dead works)).  Of course, the Church gives indulgences, has Confession, and Annointing of the Sick to remove sin and the the vestiges of sin, so there is really little excuse for ending up in Purgatory - it is a last hope for the somewhat lazy and careless as I said above in referring to Paul.  And no comments were taken as flames.  You are one of the more polite people I have talked to over the net.  Andy Byler  ps. As for Balkan military adventures, the old saw about that area is that it produces more history then can be consumed locally: Alexander the Great, WWI the Ottoman Empire, the Byzantine Empire (by which I refer to stirfe and foreign adventures of them in general), the Balkans wars of 1913, the Latin-Greek wars of the 1200's, etc.  Not a good place to hop into.
From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Subject: Re: RUMOUR - Keenan signs with Rangers? Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) Organization: PhDs In The Hall Lines: 25  golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: >gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: > >The Ranger announcement is supposed to happen tomorrow supposedly.  Press conference at 1PM ...  >The Rangers have so many veterans that they had to get a coach with >"weight" and a proven record...and whom they know Messier respects.  Interestingly, Keenan's co-coach (or is it his "Number One"?) on Team Canada at the World Championships is Roger Neilsen.    It'd be interesting if the Rangers call in the balance of Neilsen's contract to be Keenan's assistant ...  Roger did do a very good job with the mediocre players, just as he handled the Cinderella Canucks of 10 years ago ... but his mistake was playing the Rangers like those Canucks last May ...  gld -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary L. Dare > gld@columbia.EDU 			GO  Winnipeg Jets  GO!!! > gld@cunixc.BITNET			Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
From: SASTLS@MVS.sas.com (Tamara Shaffer) Subject: Re: seizures ( infantile spasms ) Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 16  In article <1993Apr20.184034.13779@dbased.nuo.dec.com>, dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD) writes:   > >        The reason I'm posting this article to this newsgroup is to: >1. gather any information about this disorder from anyone who might >   have recently been *e*ffected by it ( from being associated with >   it or actually having this disorder ) and >2. help me find out where I can access any medical literature associated >   with seizures over the internet.   I tried to e-mail you but it bounced back.  Please e-mail me and I will give you someone's name who might be very helpful.  You might also post your message to misc.kids. TAMARA sastls@mvs.sas.com
From: oldham@icd.ab.com (Daniel R. Oldham) Subject: More propaganda Nntp-Posting-Host: heron.icd.ab.com Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 13  Just saw on CNN that the independent team that examined the Waco fire and reported that it was started inside by the BDs is now under question.  The attoneys for the BD's are claiming that it's not an impartial team for the team leader is the wife of one of the BATF agents. HA!  The goverment continues with it's propaganda.  -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -	This is not a secure line.                                       - -	Daniel R. Oldham			oldham@heron.icd.ab.com  - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) Subject: Re: NHL team leaders in +/- Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS Lines: 42  In article <1993Mar29.190650.28940@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:  >The Jets use the "breakaway pass" scheme to create a scoring sensation >in order to generate interest.  If teams score as many or more goals >against Winnipeg when Selanne is on the ice as Winnipeg scores when >he is on the ice then I can't see how his contribution can be described >as impressive.    Implicitly you are assuming that goals scored against Winnipeg with Selanne on the ice can be blamed on him...Roger, he is a FORWARD.  Winnipeg has a lousy defensive record anyway.  Let's put it another way.  John Cullen's +/- is terrible.  What's your excuse for him?  That his powerplay points don't count?  Neither do Selanne's...   >The object of the game is not to feed Selanne - it is  >to win.  And feeding Selanne does not contribute in any meaningful way >to winning.  Knowledgeable hockey observers the world over would agree that feeding Selanne so he can score does contribute in a meaningful way to winning.   >Pat Burns wouldn't have a goal suck like this on his team.  You're worried about Teemu when you have Glenn Anderson on your team?  >We DON'T KNOW what Selanne does best.  We do know what Jet's management >wants.  And again, the object of the exercise is not to allow Selanne to >do what he does best, it is to win hockey games.  What he does best is score...so I refer you to my comment above.  >As it is now, Selanne >is a grandstanding goal suck.  Did you see the way he parades around >with his arms outstretched after scoring a goal?  You would think the >Messiah had returned...  Nope, didn't see it.  I was too busy watching Foligno jump up and down after _his_ goal....   
From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) Subject: Re: Dmm Advice Needed Organization: Macquarie University Lines: 30 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au   |>   What the world needs is a meter that won't let you change ranges or |> turn it on/off with a lead stuck in the amps jack - a little bit of |> clever plastic detailing would take care of this and make the world |> safer for electricans, anyway. |>    Not that I've ever put a meter on the wrong range into a live  |> circuit, no, not me...not more than a dozen times, anyway.... |>     Bill |>  |>  |> bills@inqmind.bison.mb.ca |> The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba  204 488-1607  The Fluke 87 beeps at you if you try to take it out of a current measuring range while there is still a lead plugged in to the current sense socket.  ... this should solve your problem - unless you are in a noisy environment.  JohnH  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------        |  _  |_   _   |_|  _   _|  _|              Electronics Department     |_| (_) | | | |  | | (_| (_| (_| \/           School of MPCE     ---------------------------------/-           Macquarie University                                                   Sydney, AUSTRALIA 2109      Email: johnh@mpce.mq.edu.au, Ph: +61 2 805 8959, Fax: +61 2 805 8983  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) Subject: Christian's need for Christianity (was ...) Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 26  In article <Apr.16.23.17.40.1993.1861@geneva.rutgers.edu<, mussack@austin.ibm.com writes... << < For example: why does the universe exist at all?    <Whether there is a "why" or not we have to find it. This is Pascal's(?) wager. <If there is no why and we spend our lives searching, then we have merely <wasted our lives, which were meaningless anyway. If there is a why and we .. <Suppose the universe is 5 billion years old, and suppose it lasts another <5 billion years. Suppose I live to be 100. That is nothing, that is so small <that it is scary. So by searching for the "why" along with my friends here <on earth if nothing else we aren't so scared.   I find this view of Christianity to be quite disheartening and sad. The idea that life only has meaning or importance if there is a Creator does not seem like much of a basis for belief.   And the logic is also appalling: "God must exist because I want Him to."   I have heard this line of "reasoning" before and wonder how prevalent it is. Certainly in modern society many people are convinced life is hopeless (or so the pollsters and newscasts state), but I don't see where this is a good reason to become religious. If you want 'meaning' why not just join a cult, such as in Waco? The leaders will give you the security blanket you desire.  larry henling   lmh@shakes.caltech.edu
From: johnw@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan S. Wong) Subject: Wanted: IBM Clone 486 DX33 or better Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center Distribution: usa Lines: 18  A friend of mine is in the market for a 486 system     	Should have: 8 M of RAM 		     170+ M HD 		     SVGA Monitor and Card  		     5 1/4 &  3 1/2 FD"s 		     200+W PS  If you have one for sale then email me and I will forward to him.  Thanks,  -Jonathan johnw@unixhub.slac.stanford.edu    
From: Dan Gaubatz <dgaubat1@cc.swarthmore.edu> Subject: Re: Space Marketing -- Boycott X-Xxmessage-Id: <A81C7BFCE602410B@erewhon.swarthmore.edu> X-Xxdate: Sun, 16 May 93 04:17:16 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: erewhon.swarthmore.edu Organization: Swarthmore College Lines: 12  For some reasons we humans think that it is our place to control everything.  I doubt that space advertising is any worse than any other kind advertising, but it will be a lot harder to escape, and is probably the most blatant example yet of our disregard for the fact that we are  not in fact creaters of the universe.  Annoying little species, aren't we?   ********** Dan Gaubatz (dgaubat1@cc.swarthmore.edu) Itty Bitty Programmer Guy The Geometry Forum Swarthmore College
From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) Subject: Re: TV Schedule for Next Week Distribution: na Organization: HMS Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.med.harvard.edu  In article <Apr16.043426.69352@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes: >United States TV Schedule:  >April 18   Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh   1 EST  ABC  (to Eastern time zone) >April 18   St. Louis at Chicago             12 CDT ABC  (to Cent/Mou time zones) >April 18   Los Angeles at Calgary           12 PDT ABC  (to Pacific time zone) >April 20   Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh   7:30   ESPN >April 22   TBA                              7:30   ESPN >April 24   TBA                              7:30   ESPN >  A little supplement Basic Mike's info  :  For Sundday's opener on ABC, these are the announcing crews :  Devils/Isles at Pittsburgh - Gary Thorne(play-by-play),Bill Clement(color) and Al Morganti roaming the halls outside the dressing rooms. This telecast will primarily seen on the East Coast.  St.Louis at Chicago - Mike Emrick(play - by play),Jim Schoendfeld(color) and Tom Mees roaming the halls. This telecast will primarily be seen in the Midwest and parts of the South.  LA at Calgary - Al "Do You Believe in Mircales?" Michaels(play by play), John Davidson(color) and Mark Jones as a roaming reporter. This telecast will be seen in the Western USA.  Montreal's naitive,Jon Saunders will be hosting in the studio.  ABC will do "Up and Close and Personal" with Mario during Saturday's Wide World of Sports(4:30EDT).  Sunday will be the first NHL playoff or regular network telecast in 13 years... not counting those silly All-Star games on NBC for the last few years...  For Sunday's games,ABC will use 8 mikes(2 behind on the goal),super-super-slo-mo, close-ups of player's faces at face-offs. ESPN/ABC will not be able to use its new favorite toy,the ice-level shot, in Pittsburgh where too many seats would have to removed to employ it...   In case of a blowout in progress in Pittsburgh,ABC will switch to Chicago game but will come back to the Pittsburgh game for updates or if the game gets closer(Ha!)..  ABC expects huge ratings(by hockey standards) since all 3 Top US TV-markets are involved - NY metro area(NY Islanders/NJ Devils),Chicago(BlackHawks), and LA(Kings).  Stay tuned,  Thanks Mike,  -PPV Mark
From: brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) Subject: Re: Constitutionality of 18 U.S.C 922(o) Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc. Distribution: usa Lines: 40  In article <1qksp9$l39@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: >In article <1993Apr15.142322.1318@atlastele.com>, brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes: >> and has no rights under the federal constitution. So, what I  >> don't understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on  >> an individual. So someone tell me how my government can tell >> me what I can or cannot possess. Just passing a law  >                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> does not make it LAW.  >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Sorry, but I really can't figure out what you're trying to say, above.  I guess what I am really asking, like I did above, how does my government who is my servent, tell me the soveriegn what I can or cannot possess?  It would seem to me that the act of possessing a machine gun is no less "criminal", by definition, than the act of possessing a television set. I also would seem to me that it would be better to pass laws that say, that if I harm or kill someone with the machine gun or the television set that there  would be specific penalties for doing such.   > >> Everyone knows that laws are constitional >> until it goes to court.  Sorry, I was close.  > >Not exactly:  >"No on is bound to obey an uncontitutional law, and no courts are > bound to enforce it." > 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 >      late 2d, Sec 256   --  Brian Sheets		    _   /|  	"TRUCK?! What truck?" Support Engineer  	    \`o_O'    	  Atlas Telecom Inc. 	      ( ) 	   -Raiders of the Lost Ark brians@atlastele.com           U
From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) Subject: "liver" spots Nntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com Organization: The Instrumentality X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer               Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and               not necessarily those of CONVEX. Lines: 8  What causes those little brown spots on older people's hands? Are they called "liver spots" because they're sort of liver-colored, or do they indicate some actual liver dysfunction? --  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~              |      Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist.     | Peter Cash   |       (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein)      |cash@convex.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: gjd4n@Virginia.EDU ("Gregory J. Demme") Subject: Re: Trivia question Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 4    The goalie to whom you refer is Clint Malarchuk.  He was at that time playing with the Sabres.  His team immediately prior to that was the Washington Capitals.  While he did recover and continue to play, I do not know his present whereabouts.
From: lochem@fys.ruu.nl (Gert-Jan van Lochem) Subject: Dutch: symposium compacte objecten Summary: U wordt uitgenodigd voor het symposium compacte objecten 26-4-93 Keywords: compacte objecten, symposium Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands Lines: 122  Sterrenkundig symposium 'Compacte Objecten'                                              op 26 april 1993   In het jaar 1643, zeven jaar na de oprichting van de Universiteit van Utrecht, benoemde de universiteit haar eerste sterrenkundige waarnemer. Hiermee ontstond de tweede universiteitssterrenwacht ter wereld. Aert Jansz, de eerste waarnemer, en zijn opvolgers voerden de Utrechtse sterrenkunde in de daaropvolgende jaren, decennia en eeuwen naar de voorhoede van het astronomisch onderzoek. Dit jaar is het 350 jaar geleden dat deze historische benoeming plaatsvond.  De huidige generatie Utrechtse sterrenkundigen en studenten sterrenkunde, verenigd in het Sterrekundig Instituut Utrecht, vieren de benoeming van hun 'oervader' middels een breed scala aan feestelijke activiteiten. Zo is er voor scholieren een planetenproject, programmeert de Studium Generale een aantal voordrachten met een sterrenkundig thema en wordt op de Dies Natalis aan een astronoom een eredoctoraat uitgereikt. Er staat echter meer op stapel.  Studenten natuur- en sterrenkunde kunnen op 26 april aan een sterrenkundesymposium deelnemen. De onderwerpen van het symposium zijn opgebouwd rond een van de zwaartepunten van het huidige Utrechtse onderzoek: het onderzoek aan de zogeheten 'compacte objecten', de eindstadia in de evolutie van sterren. Bij de samenstelling van het programma is getracht de deelnemer een zo aktueel en breed mogelijk beeld te geven van de stand van zaken in het onderzoek aan deze eindstadia. In de eerste, inleidende lezing zal dagvoorzitter prof. Lamers een beknopt overzicht geven van de evolutie van zware sterren, waarna de zeven overige sprekers in lezingen van telkens een half uur nader op de specifieke evolutionaire eindprodukten zullen ingaan. Na afloop van elke lezing is er gelegenheid tot het stellen van vragen. Het dagprogramma staat afgedrukt op een apart vel. Het niveau van de lezingen is afgestemd op tweedejaars studenten natuur- en sterrenkunde. OOK ANDERE BELANGSTELLENDEN ZIJN VAN HARTE WELKOM!  Tijdens de lezing van prof. Kuijpers zullen, als alles goed gaat, de veertien radioteleskopen van de Radiosterrenwacht Westerbork worden ingezet om via een directe verbinding tussen het heelal, Westerbork en Utrecht het zwakke radiosignaal van een snel roterende kosmische vuurtoren, een zogeheten pulsar, in de symposiumzaal door te geven en te audiovisualiseren. Prof. Kuijpers zal de binnenkomende signalen (elkaar snel opvolgende scherp gepiekte pulsen radiostraling) bespreken en trachten te verklaren. Het slagen van dit unieke experiment staat en valt met de technische haalbaarheid ervan. De op te vangen signalen zijn namelijk zo zwak, dat pas na een waarnemingsperiode van 10 miljoen jaar genoeg energie is opgevangen om een lamp van 30 Watt een seconde te laten branden! Tijdens het symposium zal er niet zo lang gewacht hoeven te worden: de hedendaagse technologie stelt ons in staat live het heelal te beluisteren.  Deelname aan het symposium kost f 4,- (exclusief lunch) en f 16,- (inclusief lunch). Inschrijving geschiedt door het verschuldigde bedrag over te maken op ABN-AMRO rekening 44.46.97.713 t.n.v. stichting 350 JUS. Het gironummer van de ABN-AMRO bank Utrecht is 2900. Bij de inschrijving dient te worden aangegeven of men lid is van de NNV. Na inschrijving wordt de symposiummap toegestuurd. Bij inschrijving na 31 maart vervalt de mogelijkheid een lunch te reserveren.  Het symposium vindt plaats in Transitorium I, Universiteit Utrecht.  Voor meer informatie over het symposium kan men terecht bij Henrik Spoon, p/a S.R.O.N., Sorbonnelaan 2, 3584 CA Utrecht. Tel.: 030-535722. E-mail: henriks@sron.ruu.nl.    ******* DAGPROGRAMMA **************************************    9:30   ONTVANGST MET KOFFIE & THEE  10:00   Opening            Prof. dr. H.J.G.L.M. Lamers (Utrecht)  10:10   Dubbelster evolutie            Prof. dr. H.J.G.L.M. Lamers  10:25   Radiopulsars            Prof. dr. J.M.E. Kuijpers (Utrecht)  11:00   Pulsars in dubbelster systemen            Prof. dr. F. Verbunt (Utrecht)  11:50   Massa & straal van neutronensterren            Prof. dr. J. van Paradijs (Amsterdam)  12:25   Theorie van accretieschijven            Drs. R.F. van Oss (Utrecht)  13:00   LUNCH  14:00   Hoe zien accretieschijven er werkelijk uit?            Dr. R.G.M. Rutten (Amsterdam)  14:35   Snelle fluktuaties bij accretie op neutronensterren         en zwarte gaten            Dr. M. van der Klis (Amsterdam)  15:10   THEE & KOFFIE  15:30   Zwarte gaten: knippen en plakken met ruimte en tijd            Prof. dr. V. Icke (leiden)  16:05   afsluiting  16:25   BORREL  --  Gert-Jan van Lochem	     \\		"What is it?" Fysische informatica	      \\	"Something blue" Universiteit Utrecht           \\	"Shapes, I need shapes!" 030-532803			\\			- HHGG -
From: tom@vpnet.chi.il.us (Tom Hansen) Subject: Re: Replacement for Program M Organization: Vpnet Public Access Lines: 27  In article <5798.1004.uupcb@idcbbs.com> les.tom@idcbbs.com (Les Tom)  writes: >           Maw Ying yuan wrote  > ................................. >...From: yuan@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Maw Ying Yuan) >...Subject: Replacement for Program Manager and File Manager? >...Message-ID: <C68G1G.JuJ@news.Hawaii.Edu> >...Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1993 06:44:04 GMT >... >...replacements for Win3.1's Program Manager and File Manager? >...yuan@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu :) > ................................. >    Hi, >      I've been using Plannet Crafter's "Plug-in" for Program Manager.  	The best one I've seen is CEO, by Sloop Software.  They have a 	sharware version, but the retail version is only $40-50.  It's 	incredibly complete, subfolders to any level, choose any icon, 	hot keys, drop down menus, button bars, etc.  Haven't found 	anything it doesn't do.  Try mailing 72540.144@compuserve.com 	for details.  	Tom --  | Tom Hansen           || "My beard grows to my toes.  I never wears no     | | tom@vpnet.chi.il.us  ||  clothes.  I wraps my hair around my bare, and    | | "I yam what I yam"   ||  down the road I goes."    - Shel Silverstein     | |______________________||___________________________________________________|
From: jyoung@Cadence.COM (John Young) Subject: FFL&gunsmithing questions Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. Lines: 8  I have a few questions I'd like to ask; First,How would someone(me)be able to get a dealers license     and second,besides dear old departed gramp's,where would I find a good place to learn gunsmithing. 		all replies appreciated! 			John  
From: geoff@poori.East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top) Subject: Re: Who has read Rushdie's _The Satanic Ve Organization: SunSelect Lines: 15 Distribution: world Reply-To: geoff@poori.East.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: poori.east.sun.com  In article 1r1cl7INNknk@bozo.dsinc.com, perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) writes: >Anyway, since I seem to be the only one following this particular line >of discussion, I wonder how many of the rest of the readership have >read this book?  What are your thoughts on it?    I read it. I found it wonderful. For some reason (no flames, please), I was reminded of Hemingway, Carl Orff and Van Gogh (not all at once, though).  --- Geoff Arnold, PC-NFS architect, Sun Select. (geoff.arnold@East.Sun.COM) --------------------------------------------------+------------------- "What if they made the whole thing up?            | "The Great Lie" by  Four guys, two thousand years ago, over wine..." |    The Tear Garden 
From: ianmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Ian McPherson) Subject: Re: chip / chipset for code 39 barcode? Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Lines: 26  LLBGB@utxdp.dp.utexas.edu wrote: : Distribution: usa : Reply-To: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  : While I'm on the net bugging everyone, is there such a thing as a chip : or chipset to decode Code 39 barcode?  I ask for a couple of reasons -- : mainly I want a reasonably compact encoding scheme to write information : on magstripe cards and Code 39 appears to be about right.  (If the 'right' : way to do it is something else, and it's reasonably easy, can someone let : me know?)  : I might not get a chance to reply too quickly to this or my earlier post, : but I'll get to them within a couple days, I think ..  : thanx everyone!  <BGB>  lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu  Hewlett Packard has a series of barcode decoder ICs HBCR-1800, HBCR-2000, and HBCR-2010 and they support 3of9  extended 3of9  interleaved 2of5   and UPC codes. The 2000 and 2010 pieces add codabar and code 128.  These chips support HP's barcode wands and slot readers.  An 1800 + a HEDS-3050 wand run about $150 CDN .  Ian. 
From: kurt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Kurt Henriksen) Subject: BRAKE ROTORS...CROSS DRILLING...312 702 8323 Organization: University of Chicago, Astronomy and Astrophysics Distribution: na Lines: 1  
From: Tom Wetzel <twetzel@ucs.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: Old Corvettes / Low insurance? Nntp-Posting-Host: twetzel.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1      <rjnC5sxMG.JqH@netcom.com> Lines: 25  In article <rjnC5sxMG.JqH@netcom.com> Richard Newton II, rjn@netcom.com writes: >On a related note, does this seem a sane price for a '67 convertible >Corvette in good condition? How does one determine these things? My CR >Used Car magazine doesn't list '67 corvettes :-) Any net wisdom on what  >to look for/what to avoid? Thanks in advance!  Rich, 	First of all you might want to join the VetteNet (vettes@chiller.compaq 	.com)  during your search/acquisition of the 67.  $20k sounds about  	right for a wrong engine, condition 3 car.  This means that the car may 	not have significant investment value but could be an excellent driver 	and or hobby car.  You will also want to get a copy of the Corvette 	Black Book immediately.  Don't leave home (to look at Vettes) without it. 	Since you are contemplating spending >$20k, you might want to invest a 	few hours in reading the "Corvette Buyer's Guide" and purchase Noland 	Adams' tape "How to Buy a Corvette."  The tape shows you how to check 	for damage, etc..  There are many many factors that will affect the 	value, road worthiness, and repair expense of your proposed 67.  The 	list is much too long to go into here.  Join the VetteNet where 	there are over 100 current Corvette owners (many with 60s vintage 	vettes) that are available to help you.  The pubs I mentioned above 	are available from Mid-America Designs (800) 637-5533 and several 	other Corvette parts sources.  Good luck!!! 	 	Tom   ('68 327/350hp - '79 Cruiser)
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From: enf021@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Achurist) Subject: Re: Abyss: breathing fluids Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk Organization: Coventry University Lines: 31  In article <93089.204431GRV101@psuvm.psu.edu> Callec Dradja <GRV101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: >I am a bit nervous about posting this beacause it is begining to >stray fron the topic of space but then again that doesn't seem to >stop alot of other people. :-) > >With all of this talk about breathing at high pressures, I began >to think about the movie Abyss. If you remember, in that movie one >of the characters dove to great depths by wearing a suit that used >a fluid that carries oxegen as opposed to some sort of gas. Now I >have heard that mice can breath this fluid but for some reason, humans >are unable to. Does anyone know more details about this? > >Gregson Vaux >  I believe the reason is that the lung diaphram gets too tired to pump the liquid in and out and simply stops breathing after 2-3 minutes. So if your in the vehicle ready to go they better not put you on  hold, or else!! That's about it. Remember a liquid is several more times as dense as a gas by its very nature. ~10 I think, depending on the gas and liquid comparision of course!  Acurist        
From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) Subject: Re: Political Atheists? Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu  arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:  >>The motto originated in the Star-Spangled Banner.  Tell me that this has >>something to do with atheists. >The motto _on_coins_ originated as a McCarthyite smear which equated atheism >with Communism and called both unamerican.  No it didn't.  The motto has been on various coins since the Civil War. It was just required to be on *all* currency in the 50's.  keith
From: nomad@ecst.csuchico.edu (Michael Larish) Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Article-I.D.: charnel.1r5a7jINN83g Organization: California State University, Chico Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: hairball.ecst.csuchico.edu  In article <C5tEnu.112F@ns1.nodak.edu> green@plains.NoDak.edu (Bill Green) writes: >What I would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident.  I >believe the moves made were right and proper, but I still have some problems >with some of the tactics.  After watching the ABC special on it tonight, as >well as CNN and Nightline, I question some of the ATF and FBI actions.  	My god, a sane person!  Somebody asking intelligent questions rather than spouting of unsubstantiated drivel and making comparisons to Nazi Germany.  I question, along with others, the initial raid by the ATF. There are some definite questions needing answers.  >1) Could it have been possible to have taken Koresh outside the compound at >some time before the Feb. 28th raid?  	Probably.  Which is why there are so many people angry at the initial confrontation.  Why attack a compound with as many people in that compound who are willing to die for their leader?  Further, they attacked in the daylight hours without proper backup, medical support, etc.  That was rather stupid...  >2) Could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome.  	This I doubt.  While I question the ATF's initial raid, I believe that the remainder of the standoff was handled fairly well with the single exception of the psychological "warfare" by blaring music, etc.  I think that was uncalled for and probably hindered the outcome.  >3) Were FBI actions (blaring loudspeakers, etc.) the "right" course of action?  	See above...  >And a few other questions.  Like I said, I believe the actions taken, in >general, were proper.  But I still have some reservations.  	Agreed.  >One other point, I'm no fan of Janet Reno, but I do like the way she had the >"balls" to go ahead and take full responsibility.  Seems like the waffle boy >had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue.  	Which is actually rather refreshing nowadays.  Most of the time, the higher-ups claim "I don't remember..." or "I had no involvement..."  :-)  --  Michael G. Larish       | Amateur Radio Callsign:  KD6CTZ nomad@ecst.csuchico.edu | Golden Empire Amateur Radio Society (GEARS) - W6RHC California State        | Chico State Amateur Radio Society (CSARS) University, Chico       | Butte County Sheriff's Search & Rescue - #317
From: hambidge@bms.com Subject: Re: Gun Control Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Lines: 94   In article <C51L52.BGo@magpie.linknet.com>, manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: > >I would be surprised if there weren't contrary studies.  I might add that >Sloan and Kellerman was endorsed by the police departments of both Seattle >and Vancouver and is considered by most of the references I have at hand the >most exhaustive study of its kind, even by those who take issue with some of >the essay's conclusions.  S&K's statistics speak largely for themselves >without postulate.  And, I might add, vitamin C has been endorsed by a Nobel Laureate as a panacea for almost everything from the common cold to cancer.    > In order to compare violent crime trends, S&K compared >all< >violent crime categories, from simple assault through various mechanisms of >homicide.    Wait a minute. S&K did NOT compare trends.  If they did, they would have seen that the advent of Canada's gun law had no effect on homicides, total or handgun.  Without a pre- vs. post comparison, one cannot speculate as to the utility of anything.  All they have is a correlation, and correlation DOES NOT prove causality.   >If your point is that non-whites commit more handgun crimes than whites >then yours is the dubious assumption.  Conventional social theory is that >economic status, not color, is the primary motivating factor for crime, >especially violent crime.  What's your point anyway, that white people >are more responsible gun owners?  Should we assume that it's a coincidence >that there are comparitively fewer white people earning below the poverty >line and living in tenement neighborhoods where most violent crime occurs?  Hold it again. You dismiss a point about demographics, then you ask about socio-economic demographics? Very slick. > >:    Differences between the two cities in the >:    permit regulations render these two numbers strictly noncomparable. > >On the contrary, it's these differences that are the very basis of the study: >the easy availability of legal handguns in Seattle and the much more >difficult "restricted-weapons" permit required in Vancouver.  Once again, correlation does not prove causality.  Looking at pre-vs. post data, the Canadian gun law had no effect.  > >Not so.  Cook measures suicides and assaultive homicides with >firearms against a survey-based estimate of the number of legal and >illegal guns in circulation within a city.    Sir, if you were a Canadian, and owned a gun before the restrictive gun laws were passed, and decided to hide it rather than turn it in, would you answer truthfully a question about gun ownership from someone who calls, writes, or asks you on the street?  That is one problem with surveys.  Nobody will answer an incriminating question. Another is that people will often tell you what they THINK you want to here.  > >Again, your author misses the core issue: that Vancouver citizens are >prohibited from purchasing handguns on the basis of self-defense.  They >don't have a choice in the matter.  Does that mean no Vancouver citizens have handguns? I think not. You are discounting guns purchased beforehand, and guns purchased for purposes other than self-defense, which can also be used for defense.  > >Hmmm... sounds like your author might like a bumper sticker that reads "Guns >don't kill people, black people kill people!"  Honestly, his conjectures, >backed up by zero evidence, zero studies and even less common sense, aren't >worth the considerable time it must have taken you to type in.  His >assumptions look frighteningly close to those pseudo-scientific "studies" >that the white supremist assholes love... the crap that takes published >statistics, twisted around in an attempt to prove the inherent criminal >nature of black people.  He makes valid points about demographic differences.  You then resort to the kind of argument that the "Politically Correct" movement often uses to stifle any debate.  Nice, real nice.   >This author's essay contains 0% independent study upon which to base his >conclusions, just some strained, disjointed statistical discourse attempting >to blame Seattle's murder rate on blacks.   One doesn't have to produce his own data in order to point out the flaws in the methodology and conclusions of another's study. Again, you resort to PC tactics.   Al [standard disclaimer] 
From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Electrical Spacecraft via Magnetic field of earth? Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Lines: 39  In article <1993May1.044441.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: >Okay, the earth has a magnetic field ... >...if you put a object in the earth magnetic field, it produces electricty..  Well, it's not that simple -- you're in Earth's magnetic field, and you don't generate electricity -- but it can be done.  >Now the question. Can you use electricity to power a space/low earth orbit >vehicle? and i fyou can, can you use the magnetic field of the earth to power >it??  The way you power things is with electricity, so the answer to the first question is definitely yes.  (If you meant to say "propel" rather than "power", the answer is "sort of".)  Yes, you can use interaction with the Earth's magnetic field to get electrical power, and there are potential applications for this.  However, bear in mind that there is no free lunch.  The energy isn't coming from nowhere.  What such systems do is convert some of the energy of your orbital velocity into electrical energy.  There are cases where this is a useful tradeoff.  Using power obtained in this way for propulsion is useful only in special situations, however.  What you *can* do is get your power by some other means, e.g. solar arrays, and run the interaction with the magnetic field in reverse, pumping energy *into* the orbit rather than taking energy out of it.  If you want more information, trying looking up "electrodynamic propulsion", "tether applications", and "magsails".  >Can the idea of a "dragless" satellite be used in part to create the >electrical field?  No.  A "dragless" satellite does not magically have no drag; it burns fuel constantly to fight drag, maintaining the exact orbit it would have *if* there was no drag.  This is why there are quotes around "dragless". --  SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision   | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology between SVR3 and SunOS.    - Dick Dunn  |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry
From: bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent "Spuzy" Moss) Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe?? Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.200.5 Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT Lines: 4  The rubber drain plugs under my carpet in my mazda glc leaked like the ones are doing under your spare in the Probe. I tooke them out and put some silicone sealant on them and put them back in.
From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions. Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 32 Reply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu   In a previous article, ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) says:  >I have $30,000 as my budget.  I'm looking for a sports or GT car. > >What do you think would be the best buy?  (I'm looking for specific models) > >Thanks, >Danny >--  > >=============================================================================== >=    "Hey! You programmers out there!     |    Danny Phornprapha              = >=     Please consider this:               |    ip02@lehigh.edu                = >=                                         |                                   = >=     Bugs are another endangered earth   |    LUCC Student Konsultant        = >=     Species needing your protection.    |    Work: (215) 758-4141           = >  For an all out sports car, I'd go for the RX-7 without the sports suspension (which is too stiff.)  For a little more practicality and more comfort, the Nissan 300ZX Turbo is a good buy.  And for a good dose of luxury, the Lexus SC300 is perfect (with a manual transmission of course.)  However, the Toyota Supra is coming out soon and if you like it's looks, the performance is supposed to be great, almost race car like.  I don't particulary like the Mitsubishi 3000GT's or the Dodge Stealths as they are too heavy and aren't very nimble handlers for a sports car. --  A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.  "The mind is the forerunner of all states."
From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... Nntp-Posting-Host: chip Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. Lines: 10  drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes:  >   Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts.  It is very unlikely, however, >   that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car. > >Not possible either.  You'd need about a 300 amp alternator for >just the amplifier.  It is too possible.  As the original poster said "it is very unlikely" but definately possible.  (Can you say batteries?)
From: rousseaua@immunex.com Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Distribution: world Organization: Immunex Corporation, Seattle, WA Lines: 19  While in grad school, I remember a biochemistry friend of mine working with "heat shock proteins". Apparently, burning protein will induce changes in he DNA. Whether these changes survive the denaturing that occurs during digestion I don't know, but I never eat burnt food because of this.   Also, many woods contain toxins. As they are burnt, it would seem logical that some may volatilise, and get into the BBQed food. Again, I don't know if these toxins (antifungal and anti-woodeater compounds) would survive the rather harsh conditions of the stomach and intestine, and then would they be able to cross the intestinal mucosa?  Maybe someone with more biochemical background than myself (which is almost *anyone*... :)) can shed some light on heat shock proteins and the toxins that may be in the wood used to make charcoal and BBQ.  Anne-Marie Rousseau e-mail: rousseaua@immunex.com What I say has nothing to do with Immunex. 
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From: morgan@socs.uts.edu.au Subject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City Reply-To: morgan@socs.uts.edu.au Organization: University of Technology Sydney Lines: 49  In article <Apr.9.01.10.38.1993.16892@athos.rutgers.edu> evensont@spot.Colorado.EDU (EVENSON THOMAS RANDALL) writes: >In article <Apr.7.01.56.20.1993.22789@athos.rutgers.edu> reid@cs.uiuc.edu (Jon Reid) writes: >>Deon.Strydom@f7.n7104.z5.fidonet.org (Deon Strydom) writes: >> >Which brings me around to asking an open question.  Is the Bible a closed >book of Scripture?  Is it okay for us to go around saying "God told >me this" and "Jesus told me that"?  Wouldn't that imply that God is STILL >pouring out new revelation to us?  I know that some people will feel >that is okay, and some will not.  The concept of a closed canon would >certainly cast a shadow on contemporary prophets.  On the other hand, >an open canon seems to be indicated sometimes. >  Let's get back to basics.  Canon (from the latin) means a rule.  If we say that a rule is open then its a rule made to be broken.   There is an issue also of measurement against a rule.  Thus the words that are spoken need to be compared against the rule/canon but not added to the canon.  Is new revelation necessary?  Topical, current, personal revelation I'd say is necessary.  New revelation for all people for all times is not necessary as we have that in Scripture.  You also seem to confuse canon with scripture.  Scripture may speak of itself being open - ie God speaking today.  It would speak that it is closed in the sense that the canon is unchangeable.  (Though the concept of canon is later historically.)  >Also interesting to note is that some so called prophecies are nothing new >but rather an inspired translation of scripture.  Is it right to call >that prophecy?  Misleading?  Wouldn't that be more having to do with >knowledge?  I know, the gift of knowledge may not be as exciting to >talk about, but shouldn't we call a horse a horse? >  I agree with the problem of confusion.  If prophecy is meant to encourage, exhort or correct then is an overlap with scripture.  If prophecy is meant to bring a `word' of the form "the man you live with is not your husband" then that is knowledge.  Yet the exact words their are scripture. I would expect the difference to be the motive and means for delivery. The reading of scripture itself can be a powerful force.  Regards  David -- David Morgan| University of Technology Sydney | morgan@socs.uts.edu.au _--_|\             | Po Box 123 Broadway NSW 2007    | Ph: + 61 2 330 1864   /      \             | 15-73 Broadway Sydney           | Fax: +61 2 330 1807   \_.--._/ "I paid good money to get my opinions; you get them for free"                v
From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov  In article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes: > >Greetings! >       >        Situation:  I have a phone jack mounted on a wall.  I don't >                    know the number of the line.  And I don't want >                    to call up the operator to place a trace on it. > >        Question:   Is there a certain device out there that I can >                    use to find out the number to the line?   Call a friend long distance, collect.  Ask to speak with yourself.  When the operator asks for you, you won't be there, so ask the operator to leave your number.  She'll read it out in the clear. --scott
From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu Subject: Re: Moonbase race, NASA resources, why? Lines: 32 Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks  In article <1r46o9INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu>, sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) writes: > In article <C5tEIK.7z9@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >  >>Apollo was done the hard way, in a big hurry, from a very limited >>technology base... and on government contracts.  Just doing it privately, >>rather than as a government project, cuts costs by a factor of several. >  > So how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the > U.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida?  >  >  >  >     Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? >   -- >                  SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU                        < --   Why must it be a US Government Space Launch Pad? Directly I mean.. I know of a few that could launch a small package into space. Not including Ariadne, and the Russian Sites.. I know "Poker Flats" here in Alaska, thou used to be only sounding rockets for Auroral Borealous(sp and other northern atmospheric items, is at last I heard being upgraded to be able to put sattelites into orbit.   Why must people in the US be fixed on using NASAs direct resources (Poker Flats is runin part by NASA, but also by the Univesity of Alaska, and the Geophysical Institute). Sounds like typical US cultural centralism and protectionism.. And people wonder why we have the multi-trillion dollar deficite(sp). Yes, I am working on a spell checker..  == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked 
From: baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (baden de bari) Subject: Re: PC parallel I (!= I/O) Organization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Lines: 40  erickson@azure.nmt.edu (Alan Erickson) writes:  > 	I'm trying to bring in 8+ bits to a PC, and would like > 	to use interrupt-driven routines. Without buying an IO > 	board or making a new port, _where_ can I bring in these > 	bits? LPT seems to have only a few inputs, but I've heard > 	rumours that some LPTs have bidirectional lines. Anybody > 	know fer sure? If any bi-d LPTs, which boards have them > 	(I'll be running a new 386DX-33)?            Yes, it is possible.  I'm making a 7 stepper controller board,  with 7 digital inputs, and (up to) 18 digital outputs from the // port.    One main thing that will tell you whether the // port is  bi-directional or not is the bus tranceiver on it.  Look for a chip  numbered 74LS245.  If you don't have this, then it's probably a 74LS244,  which will do you NO good for reading in.              Now, if you do have the '245 then do the following:   First, find the address of the port, (decimal) either 888, or 632.   In pascal, you would "Write(Port[xxx]);" where xxx is the address in  either hex or decimal.  The status lines, pins 14, 16, 17, as well as the  strobe, pin 1, are bi-directional lines, and are read by base address +2,  so for 888, to read from status, then read from 890.  You can also output  to these lines in the same fashion as to the data lines.  In pascal,  do "Port[xxx]:=value ".                   Hope this helps.         Let me know if you need more help.       _________________________________________________   Inspiration  |   ___                             |   comes to     |  \   o  baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |   those who    | (  ^  ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca |   seek the     |   /-\      =] Baden de Bari [=    |   unknown.     |                                   |   -------------------------------------------------   
From: halat@panther.bears (Jim Halat) Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is Reply-To: halat@panther.bears (Jim Halat) Lines: 129  In article <930419.104739.2t8.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes: >mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes: >>In article <30136@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes: >>>Atoms are not objective.  They aren't even real.  What scientists call >>>an atom is nothing more than a mathematical model that describes  >>>certain physical, observable properties of our surroundings.  All >>>of which is subjective.   >>  >> This deserves framing.  It really does.  "[Atoms] aren't even real." >>  >> Tell me then, those atoms we have seen with electron microscopes are >> atoms now, so what are they?  Figments of our imaginations?  The >> evidence that atoms are real is overwhelming, but I won't bother with >> most evidence at the moment. > >HA HA HA! > >Sorry, but having studied cell biology, I have to say that "I can see it >through an electron microscope, THEREFORE it is real" is a laughable >statement. > [...stuff deleted...]  Thank you.  I thought I was in the twilight zone for a moment. It still amazes me that many people with science backgrounds  still confuse the models and observables with what even they would call the real world.  -jim halat                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 In article <30142@ursa.bear.com>, halat@panther.bears (Jim Halat) writes: >In article <1993Apr17.153653.26206@Princeton.EDU>, datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper) writes: > >>You were a liberal arts major, weren'tcha? >> >>Guess you never saw that photo of the smallest logo in the world-- >>"IBM" made with noble gas atoms (krypton? xenon? I forget the >>specifics). >> >>Atoms, trees, electrons are all independently observable and >>verifiable. Morals aren't. See the difference? > > >Just for the record ( not that any kind of information would be >likely to affect your thinking ) I have an MSEE -- focus in >Electromagnetics -- from Penn. > >A photo of the smallest logo in the world does not an atom make. >What was observed is something we can measure that matches what  >the mathematical model we call an atom had predicted.   > >Much in the same way that we need BOTH a particle model and a >wave model for light, the atomic model is a mathematical >representation of physical phenomena.  A model that can and >probably will continue to change over time.  That makes it  >subjective (the model that is).  However, the model gives us an >objective way to talk about the physical world. > >To put it another way, the Quantum Mechanical model of the atom >allows for discussion of the atom that will give repeatable and >unambiguous results, which is objective.  However, as Bohr and >Einstein duked it out mid-century, the interpretation of >those reapeatable, observable measurements is quite subjective. >Bohr said that the observable randomness of atomic motion was >inherent in the nature of the universe.  Einstein said particle >motion was deterministic, but it was our measurement shortcomings >that introduced the randomness.  They were talking about the >EXACT same results, though. > >-jim halat
From: Cohen@ssdgwy.mdc.com (Andy Cohen) Subject: Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4 Organization: MDA-W Lines: 42 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: q5022531.mdc.com  In article <1993Apr27.092444.27199@ee.ubc.ca>, davem@ee.ubc.ca (Dave Michelson) wrote: >  > In article <1ralibINNc0f@cbl.umd.edu> mike@starburst.umd.edu (Michael F. Santangelo) writes: > >dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) writes: > > > >...text of options "A" and "B" deleted... > > > >>Option C - Single Core Launch Station. > >>This is the JSC lead option. Basically, you take a 23 ft diameter > >>cylinder that's 92 ft long, slap 3 Space Shuttle Main Engines on > >>the backside, put a nose cone on the top, attached it to a  > >>regular shuttle external tank and a regular set of solid rocket > >>motors, and launch the can. Some key features are: > >>  - Complete end-to-end ground integration and checkout > >>  - 4 tangentially mounted fixed solar panels > >>  - body mounted radiators (which adds protection against > >>    micrometeroid & orbital debris) > >>  - 2 centerline docking ports (one on each end) > >>  - 7 berthing ports > >>  - a single pressurized volume, approximately 26,000 cubic feet > >>    (twice the volume of skylab). > >>  - 7 floors, center passageway between floors > >>  - 10 kW of housekeeping power > > > >Somehow I have a strange attraction for this idea (living in > >a modular home maybe has altered my mind).  The only thing > >that scares me is the part about simply strapping 3 SSME's and > >a nosecone on it and "just launching it."  I have this vision > >of something going terribly wrong with the launch resulting in the > >complete loss of the new modular space station (not just a peice of > >it as would be the case with staged in-orbit construction). >  > I certainly like this "Option C"...  It's much more like the original > Phase B studies from the early 1970's.  Good stuff!  This is actually more like the stuff from Phase A and MOL....Phase B ended with a "Power Tower" approach....  It's also VERY expensive in terms of upfront development costs....so all you get is a redistribution of costs from the shuttle flights to the contractors who build it.
From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg  Ballentine) Subject: Re: plus minus stat Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada Lines: 56   In article 6143@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: >In <1993Apr14.201910.13370@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg  Ballentine) writes:  >>1. You have completely missed the point with the Selke trophy.  It goes >>to the best defensive forward.  This is the forward who forgoes points >>to help his team out defensively.  It is an unsung hero of sorts.  Yes, >>Lemieux and Gilmour are good defensive players, but they play a more >>offensively oriented style than a true defensive forward.  This year, > >You mean guys that check but can't score?  The guys who can both check >and score shouldn't be candidates?  Is that right?  The Selke candidate forwards main purpose on a shift is to prevent goals from being scored- not to score them.  When Lemieux or Gilmour play their number one purpose is to score- defence is secondary- especially considering the line that plays against them is probably a defensive one.  That is why they are not Selke candidates.  >>2. When Tarasov called Bob Gainey the best player in the world, it was >>assumed that he meaned the best _technical_ player- the one who knew >>every intricacy about playing hockey and never made a technical error. > >And who was it that made this assumption?  All of your friends maybe? >Sorry Greg, but 2 people aren't enough...you can "assume" all that you >want to, but if you think Tarasov was serious then you are an idiot.  Someone posted something about this assumption being lost in translation (it was a few months ago).  Whoever this was please repost it.  >>I agree with this assessment.  Bob Gainey may have been the best technical >>player ever. > >Right Greg.  Did you see this in the Sun or something?  What did you think >of Claude Provost?  Gainey was nothing more than a journeyman player who's >outstanding abilities were entirely political.  He might have had a col- >lection of defensive skills but he had absolutely no offensive skills at >all.  None.  But perhaps you think that the abilities to pass the puck, shoot >the puck and deke a goalie or defenseman are not technical skills?    Gainey is the best defensive forward ever.  I stand by that assessment. He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame.  Did you ever watch him play? He never made a technical error.  <Babbling deleted>  >Gee Greg, the pundits were calling Gilmour the best two-way player in the >league way back when he was with St. Louis.  I would have expected you to >have picked up on that.   Who are these pundits??  Gilmour was good with St Louis- but he was not the best two-way player in the game when he was with them.  You have overhyped Gilmour on this net for months.  He is a very good forward- but hardly the best in the NHL.  Gregmeister
From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) Subject: Re: Shuttle Launch Question In-Reply-To: jcm@head-cfa.harvard.edu's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 22:44:14 GMT Originator: nickh@SNOW.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: snow.fox.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University 	<1993Apr18.224414.784@head-cfa.harvard.edu> Distribution: sci Lines: 17  In article <1993Apr18.224414.784@head-cfa.harvard.edu> jcm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Jonathan McDowell) writes:     My understanding is that the 'expected errors' are basically    known bugs in the warning system software - things are checked    that don't have the right values in yet because they aren't    set till after launch, and suchlike. Rather than fix the code    and possibly introduce new bugs, they just tell the crew    'ok, if you see a warning no. 213 before liftoff, ignore it'.  Good grief. And I thought the Shuttle software was known for being well-engineered. If this is actually the case, every member of the programming team should be taken out and shot.  (given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 in maturity, I strongly doubt that this is the case).  Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu
From: 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) Subject: Need Senate Bill numbers and House Resolution numbers Lines: 30  Sorry for posting this here, but noone has replied to my post from the politics side of the group.  I want to get involved in the fight to save our gun rights.  But first, I need to get a little more educated.  I've been reading all the magzines and books I can get my hands on, and sifting through hundreds of messages here in the  Internet.  I want to obtain a COMPLETE list of Senate Bill and House Resolution names/numbers.  Can anyone tell me how/where to obtain this info?  Surely there has to be a way to obtain copies of anti-gun legislation from those *&%$#@'s in Washington.  Any help is appreciated.  /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\  | Peter D. Nesbitt |     Air Traffic Controller     | PNESBITT@MCIMAIL.COM    |  |                  |       Oakland Bay TRACON       |                         |  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|  |  CBR600F2 Pilot  |       NRA Member CCX1380F      |  S&W .41 Magnum Carrier |  \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/   
From: adriene_nazaretian@qm.yale.edu (Adriene Nazaretian) Subject: Re: win nt Nntp-Posting-Host: gorgon.cis.yale.edu Organization: Yale University; New Haven, Connecticut   USA Lines: 22  In article <1pq66v$kkt@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, raymaker@bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Raymaker) says: > >Is anyone aware of existing ipx/netx software for WindowsNT or >is attachment to Netware a FUTURE release? >please respond to internet mail: raymaker@bcm.tmc.edu >thanks >  I believe the beta version of the service is available via ftp on  ftp.cica.indiana.edu in pub/pc/win3/nt called something like nwnt.zip  There is an INDEX ascii file there, which lists the programs in that directory and what they do.  unfortunately this beta will also disable netbeui and tcp/ip over your primary nic, so if you really want to run it, get yourself an extra nic and bind it to that.    Otherwise wait for next release, like I am.  Adriene
Subject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18 From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta Lines: 19  In article <1r1439$c9t@access.digex.net>, steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) writes: > What is the policy regarding players and the minor league playoffs versus WC? > I know that the Rangers are holding back Kovalev, Zubov, and Andersson for > Binghamton, but I also know that the Whalers wanted Michael Nylander to play > for Springfield, while Nylander wanted to play for Sweden. The Whalers allowed > the NHL to decide, and the NHL chose the WCs. How does this differ from the > Rangers and Oilers? Did the Whalers have to go through the league, or could > they have forced Nylander to play in Springfield?  As long as a player is under contract to an organization, he is obligated to play only where that organization tells him to play or gives him permission to play. The Rangers are certainly within their rights to force Zubov and Andersson to report to Binghampton.   It certainly does reflect a lack of class on the part of the Ranger  organization, however. Is having Binghampton win the Calder Cup really more important to them than keeping their players happy?   								Alan
From: loving@lanai.cs.ucla.edu (Mike Loving) Subject: specs on eprom data formats Nntp-Posting-Host: lanai.cs.ucla.edu Organization: UCLA, Computer Science Department Lines: 10   I need the specs on various eprom data formats such as Intel Hex, Motorola S JEDEC etc.   Can anyone out there provide such info or a pointer to it? The one I want the most is Intel Hex.  Mike 
From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 12  General question: Since the world was discovered to be round, the definition of Saturday is, if not ambiguous, at least arbitrary. How would someone answer this?  Also, when the calendar was changed (Gregorian to Julian?) was the day of the week changed or just the date? Once again this points to the arbitrariness of the days.  Chris Mussack  [When calendars change, there is no change in the 7-day weekly cycle, just months and dates.  --clh]
From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard) Subject: Re: More Diamond SS 24X Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada Lines: 23  dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) writes:  >Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this >card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on  >latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors >in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. >I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors >in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible >quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. >What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. >Thx Dave L  Might the problem not be with the video monitor instead?  Many of our monitors, as they age, develop shadows on white and bright colors.  --   Peter Goudswaard                  _________                     _________  goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred)      |         |      __/^\__      |         |  pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca           |         |      \     /      |         |  pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca               |         |   _/\_\   /_/\_   |         |                                   |         |   >           <   |         |  "There's no gift like the present"         |    >_________<    |         |     - Goudswaard's observation    |_________|         |         |_________|
From: auerbach@batman.bmd.trw.com Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! Lines: 23  In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: > In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: >>I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, >>but here goes: >> > In short Mr. Gorman (I am assuming Mr. as a title because I don't think a  >woman would be stupid enough to make this post) I don't know what episode of CNN you  ^^^^^  What an incrediblt sexist remark! Come now, Mike, what ever possessed you to make such a un-PC remark?  I hope all women out there reading this are as incensed as I am. Remember, WOMAN ARE JUST AS GOOD AS MEN!!!!   Women stand up for your right to be just as stupid as men. In fact, insist on every oppurtunity to be even more stupid than men! You've got the right, use it!  Hey, it's a slow afternoon and I really don't want to get back to that report...;)  BTW: mega-smileys for the humor impaired...  Karl
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From: jdz1@Ra.MsState.Edu (John D. Zitterkopf) Subject: Info: NEC70001AB Amp. IC & ~20W AMP secs & possible PSPICE models Keywords: Audio, AMPS Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 40  Hi,  	Being a Electronic Engineering Student with only Electronic II under my belt, I find myself *needing* to build a moderate wattage Audio Amp. So,  I'll throw out a couple of question for the vast knowledge of the 'net'!  	Please Explain how Watts are calculated in Audio Amp circuits. No, Not P=I*E, Just how it relates to one of the following:  	Ai [Current Gain] 	Av [Voltage Gain] 	Ap [Power Gain] 	or whatever.  I already have a ?wonderful? cheap I.E <$20 schematic for a 20W amp, but I would like to Cross/improve the circuit. The problem is that the parts list has IC1 and IC2 as NEC70001AB amplifiers. They look like ?11 pin?  SIP packages with a heatsink. This schematic was published in a 1991 mag so it may be non-existant now. Anyway, I tried looking up a replacement in the latest Digi-key Cat and found it  not listed 8(. The closes I could figure was a 9 pin SIP as TDA1520BU. Anyone got any Ideas?   	I thought, hey I can rin a PSPICE simulation using 741 opamp  models. Yea, great! It worked. But, I guess the 741 wasn't made for High power amps. As a result, I got a Voltage gain of ~15mV/V. Worse than I started with 8(... Does anyone have a PSPICE CKT file with cheap yet good gain? How about some models for some of the chips listed in this  E-mail? Any ASCII Chip info you guys can send me?   I'm open to Suggestions/Ideas/Comments/Help! Please E-mail since I have little time to search the News...  And I'll post if there's and interest! John   --  ____________   _------_  |||IBM & |      EE majors Do it Best 8-)   --------\\ ] ~-______-~ |||Atari |~~~~~~~~~John D. Zitterkopf~~~~~~~~~~~~~      (~~~~~\\|_(__ ~~    / | \Rules!jdz1@ra.MsState.edu  jdz1@MsState.bitnet       \______| (        /  |  \    |AOL: zitt@aol.com  jdz1@isis.MsState.edu 
From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam Organization: Boston University Physics Department Lines: 117  In article <16BB112949.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: >In article <115287@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:    >>>>>A brutal system filtered through "leniency" is not lenient.   >>>>Huh?   >>>How do you rate public floggings or floggings at all? Chopping off the >>>hands, heads, or other body  parts? What about stoning?   >>I don't have a problem with floggings, particularly, when the offenders >>have been given a chance to change their behavior before floggings are >>given. I do have a problem with maiming in general, by whatever means. >>In my opinion no-one who has not maimed another should be maimed. In >>the case of rape the victim _is_ maimed, physically and emotionally, >>so I wouldn't have a problem with maiming rapists. Obviously I wouldn't >>have a problem with maiming murderers either.   >May I ask if you had the same opinion before you became a Muslim?    Sure. Yes, I did. You see I don't think that rape and murder should be dealt with lightly. You, being so interested in leniency for leniency's sake, apparently think that people should simply be told the "did a _bad_ thing."   >And what about the simple chance of misjudgements?  Misjudgments should be avoided as much as possible. I suspect that it's pretty unlikely that, given my requirement of repeated offenses, that misjudgments are very likely.    >>>>>>"Orient" is not a place having a single character. Your ignorance >>>>>>exposes itself nicely here.   >>>>>Read carefully, I have not said all the Orient shows primitive machism.   >>>>Well then, why not use more specific words than "Orient"? Probably >>>>because in your mind there is no need to (it's all the same).   >>>Because it contains sufficient information. While more detail is possible, >>>it is not necessary.   >>And Europe shows civilized bullshit. This is bullshit. Time to put out >>or shut up. You've substantiated nothing and are blabbering on like >>"Islamists" who talk about the West as the "Great Satan." You're both >>guilty of stupidities.   >I just love to compare such lines to the common plea of your fellow believers >not to call each others names. In this case, to substantiate it: The Quran >allows that one beATs one's wife into submission.    Really? Care to give chapter and verse? We could discuss it.   >Primitive Machism refers to >that. (I have misspelt that before, my fault).    Again, not all of the Orient follows the Qur'an. So you'll have to do better than that.   Sorry, you haven't "put out" enough.    >>>Islam expresses extramarital sex. Extramarital sex is a subset of sex. It is >>>suppressedin Islam. That marial sexis  allowed or encouraged in Islam, as >>>it is in many branches of Christianity, too, misses the point.  >>>Read the part about the urge for sex again. Religions that run around telling >>>people how to have sex are not my piece of cake for two reasons: Suppressing >>>a strong urge needs  strong measures, and it is not their business anyway.  >>Believe what you wish. I thought you were trying to make an argument. >>All I am reading are opinions.   >It is an argument. That you doubt the validity of the premises does not change >it. If you want to criticize it, do so. Time for you to put up or shut up.    This is an argument for why _you_ don't like religions that suppress sex. A such it's an irrelevant argument.  If you'd like to generalize it to an objective statement then  fine. My response is then: you have given no reason for your statement that sex is not the business of religion (one of your "arguments").  The urge for sex in adolescents is not so strong that any overly strong measures are required to suppress it. If the urge to have sex is so strong in an adult then that adult can make a commensurate effort to find a marriage partner.    Gregg      
From: "tom neumann" <tom.neumann@canrem.com> Subject: vw passat? (again) Reply-To: "tom neumann" <tom.neumann@canrem.com> Organization: Canada Remote Systems Distribution: rec Lines: 25   kojo@valet.phx.mcd.mot.com (Kojo Yeboah) writes:  KY>To all those who have PASSATs, do you recommend using Super Unleaded or just KY>regular Unleaded Gasoline. I have been using Regular Unleaded. A friend of mine has KY>a Jetta and has always used Super Unleaded and thinks I should be using the same; KY>however, I believe the advantages of Super Unleaded for CARs $30000 and under KY>has been overplayed by guess who: the companies who sell them, because that is KY>where they make the most PROFIT. A Ralph Nader report and other consumer advocates KY>have in the past spoken against those oil companies.  Your Passat VR6 is designed to run on premium gasoline, however the engine electronics will retard the timing so that no harm wil be done to the engine with lower octane fuel.  You will likely, however, get somewhat more power and fuel mileage (especially in hot weather) out of this particular engine if you do run it on premium.   Tom Neumann ---   DeLuxe 1.25 #350  I sell Volkswagens. -- Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario 416-629-7000/629-7044
From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) Subject: U.S. Government and Science and Technolgy Investment Organization: Purdue University Statistics Department Lines: 75  In article <1993Apr30.151033.13776@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes: >People who criticize "big Government" and its projects rarely seem to >have a consistent view of the role of Government in science and >technology.  Basically, the U.S. Government has gotten into the role of >supporting research which private industry finds too expensive or too >long-term.    >(Historically, this role for the U.S. Gov't was forced upon it because >of socialism in other countries.  In order for U.S.  industries to >compete with government-subsidized foreign competitors, the U.S. Gov't >has taken on the role of subisizing big-ticket or long-lead R&D.)  This definitely had nothing to do with the entry of the government into the support of science; some of it is relevant in technology.  There was little involvement of federal funds, or except through support of state universities, of state funds, for scientific research before WWII. The US research position had been growing steadily, and the funding was mainly from university and private foundation funds.  There were not that many research universities, but they all provided their researchers with low teaching loads, laboratories, assistants, and equipment, and funds for travel to scientific meetings.  Not that much, but it was provided, and a university wishing to get a scholar had to consider research funding as well as salary.  During WWII, the military and the defense departments found that pure scientists could do quite well with their problems, even though they  were not exactly in the areas of the scientists' expertise.  This is probably because of the "research mind" approach, which is not to try to find a solution, but to understand the problem and see if a solution emerges.  This works in stages, and as research scientists were used to discussion about their problems, the job got done.  The military realized the importance of maintaining scientists for the future, and started funding pure research after WWII.  But Congress was unwilling to have military funds diverted into this investment into the future supply of scientists, and set up other organizations, such as  NSF, to do the job.  It also set up an elaborate procedure to supposedly keep politics out.  Also, the government did a job on private foundations, making it more difficult for them to act to support research.  The worst part of the federal involvement is that in those areas in which the government supports research the university will not provide funding, and in fact expects its scholars to bring in net government money.  Suppose, as has been the case, I have a project which could use the assistance of a graduate student for a few months.  What do you think happens if I ask for one?  The answer I will get is, "Get the money from NSF."  Now the money at the university level is a few thousand, but at the NSF level it comes to about 20 thousand, and is likely to keep a faculty member from getting supported.  So the government is, in effect, deciding which projects get supported, and how much.    Also, the government decided that the "wealth" should be spread.  So instead of having a moderate number of universities which were primarily research institutions, the idea that more schools should get into the act came into being.  And instead of evaluating scholars, they had to go to evaluating reseach proposals.  As a researcher, I can tell you that any research proposal has to be mainly wishful thinking, or as now happens, the investigator conceals already done work to release it as the results of the research.  What I am proposing today I may solve before the funding is granted, I may find  impossible, or I may find that it is too difficult.  In addition, tomorrow I may get unexpected research results.  Possibly I may bet a bright idea which solves yesterday's too difficult problem, or a whole new approach to something I had not considered can develop.  This is the nature of the beast,  and except for really vague statements, if something can be predicted, it is not major research, but development or routine activity not requiring  more than minimal attention of a good researcher.    I believe that at this time less quality research is being done than would have happened if the government had never gotten into it, and the government is trying to divert researchers from thinkers to plodders. --  Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399 Phone: (317)494-6054 hrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)   {purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)
From: agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) Subject: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) Keywords: Galileo, JPL Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh286 Organization: BNR-Europe-Limited, Maidenhead, England Lines: 17  In article <22APR199323003578@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: |> 3.  On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to |> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase.  This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is?  Thanks, Alan  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1 Belle Vue Court    |"They're unfriendly, which    | Home: 0684 564438 32 Belle Vue Terrace | is fortunate, really. They'd | Away: 0628 784351 Great Malvern        | be difficult to like."       | Work: 0628 794137 Worcestershire       |                              | WR14 4PZ             | Kerr Avon, Blake's Seven     | Temporary: agc@bnr.ca England              |                              | Permanent: alan@gid.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: scrume@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Stephen K Crume) Subject: Electronic typewriter needed Nntp-Posting-Host: photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 14                    ********* WANTED : Word Processing Typewriter ********      A friend is looking for a wordproccing electronic typewriter, preferably with 40 char. display and spelling correction.  Send info to the addresses below:     Thanks,    -Steve --  "You know, I think we should put some mountains here.  Otherwise, what are     all of the characters going to fall off of?"        -Laurie Anderson Stephen Crume         scrume@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                       scrume%magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu@ohstmvsa.bitnet 
From: mps1@cec1.wustl.edu (Mihir Pramod Shah) Subject: Re: Saturn performance(was Re: saturn -- puzzled by its pricing Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO Distribution: na Lines: 27  In article <4fjDcfu00iV2I9Kap_@andrew.cmu.edu> "Jason M. Roth" <jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: >>I can't imagine any Civic or Saturn owners flex'n there egos in stop light >>races. It generates as much excitement as two nerds challenging each other >>in a game of one-on-one basketball!! > >The SL2 does 0-60 in about 8.5; note that this is closer to a 968 than >to a Paseo or Storm (pseudo-sporty cars). That's a ridiculous >comparison, I know, but the point is that Saturns (and high-end Civics, >for that matter) accelerate just fine, in fact better than most >unimproved "muscle" cars of the 60s; 300 hp is great, but tied to 2 >tons, it just doesn't go that quick. Saturns, on the other hand, use 125 >hp tied to 2400 lbs with some short gearing to move very quickly off the >line. Anyway.... > > >  While your 0-60 time is consistent with most car magazines and reports, I saw the PBS MotorWeek show clock a 5-speed SL2 at 7.9 seconds.  I'm sure that most SL2 owners will be VERY lucky to get this speed, but 7.9 seconds is still astonishingly fast for a small 4-door.  A new Civic EX runs about 8.2 seconds 0-60, if I'm not mistaken.  Most cars in this class are lucky to be in the 9-second range.   Mihir Shah 
From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) Subject: Re: Replacement/Custom Seats, Where to get? Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS Lines: 20 Nntp-Posting-Host: fred.colorado.edu  In article <C63uqs.H46@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Tom Wetzel <twetzel@ucs.indiana.edu> writes: >In article <1993Apr26.154428.17764@colorado.edu> Jerry Bowman, bowmanj@csn.org >writes: >>          What car are we talking about? If its Camaro, Chevelle,GTO, >>    Nova, Etc. there are a bunch of places to get them. > > A 68 Corvette but, I don't want to put Corvette seats in it.  The original > seats are in exc. shape but they are uncomfortable as hell.  I'm going to > store those and find a set to drive in.  I have all the Vette catalogs but > I'm looking for a more generic type seat.  I can modify the brackets but  > cushion height and overall width are a concern.  I've looked through some > local boneyards without success.  I would just like to find a pair of  > cheapo's to use this summer.   >  > Tom           Call around to some wrecking yards in your area and,if they have     any, look at Fiero seats. They are right down on the floor like a vette     and not too wide.If you can't find any let me know and i'll call around     here for you. I'm sure these yards ship stuff all the time.
From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) Subject: The Dream Machines: book on vaporware spacecraft Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Lines: 133 NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov Summary: Ron Miller book on history of spaceships from Krieger Publishing Keywords: spaceships spacecraft astronautics history SF Miller  Ron Miller is a space artist with a long and distinguished career.   I've admired both his paintings (remember the USPS Solar System Exploration Stamps last year?) and his writings on the history of spaceflight.  For several years he's been working on a *big* project which is almost ready to hit the streets.  A brochure from his publisher has landed in my mailbox, and I thought it was cool enough to type in part of it (it's rather long).  Especially given the Net's strong interest in vaporware spacecraft...                   ==================================                           The Dream Machines: An Illustrated History of the Spaceship in Art, Science, and Literature                              By Ron Miller                   with Foreword by Arthur C. Clarke  Krieger Publishing Company Melbourne, Florida, USA Orig. Ed. 1993 Pre-publication $84.50 ISBN 0-89464-039-9   This text is a history of the spaceship as both a cultural and a technological phenomenon.  The idea of a vehicle for traversing the space betwen worlds did not spring full-blown into existence in the tlatter half of theis century.  The need preceded the ability ot make such a device by several hundred years.  As soon as it was realized that there were other worlds than this one, human beings wanted to reach them.     Tracing the history of the many imaginative, and often prescient, attempts to solve this problem also reflects the history of technology, science, astronomy, and engineering.  Once space travel became feasible, there were many more spacecraft concepts developed than ever got off the drawing board-- or off the ground, for that matter.  These also are described in theis book, for the same reason as the pre-space-age and pre-flight ideas are:  they are all accurate reflections of their particular era's dreams, abilities, and knowledge.  Virtually every spaceship concept invented since 1500, as well as selected events important in developing the idea of extraterrestrial travel, is listed chronologically.  The chronological entries allow comparisons between actual astronautical events and speculative ventures.  They also allow comparisons between simultaneous events taking place in different countries.  They reveal connections, influences, and evolutions hitherto unsuspected.  Every entry is accompanied by at least one illustration.  Nearly every spacecraft concept is illustrated with a schematic drawing.  This allows accurate comparisons to be made between designss, to visualize differences, similarities, and influences.  This text will be of interest to students of astronautical history, and also to model builders who would be interested in the schematic diagrams.   Science fiction fans as well as aviation history buffs and historians of science will also find this book to be fascinating.  The unique collection of illustrations makes it a visually attractive and very interesting history of the spaceship.  SPECIAL FEATURES  Includes scale drawings of several hundred spacecraft, both real and fictional  Contains scores of illustrations: artwork, drawings, and photos contemporary with the subject.  This includes extremely rare illustrations from scarce books and novels, exclusive photos and drawings fromSoviet spacecraft; rare stills from both famous and obscure science fiction films, and unpublished photographs from NASA archives  An index, bibliography, and appendices are included.  CONTENTS  Part I  The Archaeology of the Spaceship (360 B.C. to 1783 A.D.) Part II The invention of the Spaceship (1784-1899) Part III The Experimenters (1900-1938) Part IV The World War (1939-1945) Part V  The Golden Age of the Spaceship (1946-1960) Part VI The Dawn of the Space Age (1961 to the present)  ABOUT RON MILLER  [The brochure has a page of stuff here; I'll try to hit the high spots.]  Former art director for Albert Einstein Planetarium  at Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum  Member of International Association for Astronomical Arts, member of International Astronautical Association, Fellow of the British Interplanetary Society,  consulting editor for *Air & Space Smithsonian* magazine  Author, co-author, editor, or sole illustrator on many books since 1979, including *Space Art*, *Cycles of Fire*, *The Grand Tour*, and many others, as well as many articles and papers  Book jackets and interior art for over a dozen publishers   Contributor to IBM traveling exhibition and book *Blueprint for Space*  Production illustrator for movies *Dune* and *Total Recall*  Designer of ten-stamp set of commemorative space postage stamps for U.S. Postal Service in 1991 (Solar System Exploration)  ORDERING INFORMATION  Pre-publication price $84.50 before 1 May 1993 Afterwards, price will be $112.50  Krieger Publishing Company PO Box 9542 Melbourne, FL 32902-9542 USA Direct order line (407)727-7270 Fax (407)951-3671  Add $5.00 for shipping by UPS within USA for first book, $1.50 for each additional book.    For foreign orders, add $6.00 for first book, $2.00 for each additional.  Additional charges for airmail shipments.       O~~*         /_) ' / /   /_/ '  ,   ,  ' ,_  _           \|/    - ~ -~~~~~~~~~/_) / / /   / / / (_) (_) / / / _\~~~~~~~~~~~zap!  /       \                        (_) (_)                    / | \  |       |   Bill Higgins   Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory  \       /   Bitnet:                          HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET    -   -     Internet:                      HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV      ~       SPAN/Hepnet/Physnet:                  43011::HIGGINS
From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) Subject: Where's the knowledgeable observer? Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Lines: 33  In <franjion.735590256@spot.Colorado.EDU> franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU (John Franjione) writes:  >duncan@ (Nicholas Duncan) writes:  >>I really feel the need for a knowledgable hockey observer to explain >>this year's playoffs to me. I mean, the obviously superior Toronto team >>with the best center and the best goalie in the league keeps losing. >>What gives?  >Unfortunately, Roger is now over at r.s.baseball spewing his expertise >(i.e. being a dickhead).  I guess he is afraid of posting anything >here, because he knows what to expect.  It is indeed nice to have fans that are concerned about the dearth of disputatious dissertation linked to my hiatus.  Have simply been too damned busy lately to keep you lads and lassies entertained.  You can be sure, however, that I will somehow manage to find time to woof if  the Leafs give just cause.   And let's all try to keep people's names (especially mine) out of the subject headers.  I, for one, neither seek nor enjoy such a cheap form of notoriety.  One thing you can be assured of, however, is this: the Leafs are the best of all the teams in the league that have allowed 12 goals in 2  games.   --   cordially, as always,                      maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca                                             "So many morons... rm                                                   ...and so little time." 
From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Subject: Plus minus stat Organization: University of Western Ontario Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca Lines: 26  >Post: 51246 of 51422 >Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey >From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) >Subject: Plus minus stat >Organization: University of Western Ontario >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04:42:11 GMT >Nntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca >Lines: 165   >I'm not defending Bob Gainey...frankly, I don't care for him all >that much.  But your dismissal of him as something less than an >effective hockey player is tiresome...it has no basis in >anything.  How many Calders did he win? I think it was four (go                      ^^^^^^^ Ooops...that should read Selke...forgive me for my insolence.   congenially, as always,   jd   --  James David  j3david@student.business.uwo.ca  j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) Western Business School  --  London, Ontario
From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South. Keywords: Nuclear Lines: 33  swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) writes:  >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called >'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? >I hope someone can help    The actual hourglass is hollow and is designed to generate a draft, exploiting the venturi effect.  Around the base of the hourglass is a ring of water towers.  Warm river water, coming from the steam condenser in the plant, is sprayed over louvres.  The draft being pulled through the tower cools the water by both evaporation and convection.  The sensible heat extracted from the cooling water is the driving force for draft generation.  It should be noted that the hourglass-shaped cooling towers are used on both fossile and nuclear plants.  It should also be noted that at  locations where water is plentiful, the cooling towers are only used part time, when the discharge temperature would exceed some release limit. It was once thought that the warm discharge water was damaging to fish. Fishermen know that is thoroughly incorrect.  Nontheless, stringent, usually state, regulations remain in some instances.  Since it typically takes 60,000 hp worth of pumping to move the volume of water needed  to cool a 1000 MWe plant, the cost of using the towers is not insignificant. --  John De Armond, WD4OQC               |Interested in high performance mobility?   Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers?  Marietta, Ga                         | Send ur snail-mail address to  jgd@dixie.com                        | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag Lee Harvey Oswald: Where are ya when we need ya?
From: shantanu@risc.sps.mot.com (Shantanu Ganguly) Subject: Re: Are BMW's worth the price? Organization: Motorola, Inc. -- Austin,TX Lines: 86 NNTP-Posting-Host: daffy.sps.mot.com  In article <9866@ceylon.gte.com> hhd0@harvey.gte.com (Horace Dediu) writes: >In article <1pvjlnINNckf@daffy.sps.mot.com>, shantanu@risc.sps.mot.com (Shantanu Ganguly) writes:  >|>  >|> Some comments: >|>  >|> a) Good performance and mid and high speeds can be obtained by adjusting the >|>    top gear and final drive ratios. Contrary to popular misperception, a  >|>    number of Japanese cars have quite good performance from 70+ in top >|>    gear.  > >No problem with that.  The question is:  do they perform consistently in all >conditions (roads, winds and curves) at that speed and do so for hours on end,  >year after year without giving the driver white knuckles?  From my experience on  >the Autobahns/Autostrade, a good touring car can be easily distinguished by its  >"poise" at >100mph.  The best stay on cruise control at 155 for hours.  I've >seen the typical boy racer in a Fiat try to keep up.  Sure they hit the century >mark, but if the wind blows the wrong way they change lanes, and if on an >overpass, they may fly right into a guardrail.  The buffeting at 125 can be >severe enough to  make the hood bend.  Tires at 155 can melt, and a pothole can >kill.  Many German cars are designed for this environment, even if they can't >seem to get out of their own way from a stop light (Mercedes come to mind in >particular.)  And another design point is fuel economy at those speeds.  The >Germans gear the car for very good high speed efficiency (a typical M-B 300E turns >1500 at 55, almost a stall :-)  Good point. I have no idea how either of my Hondas will handle at 100+ mph, nor do they reach 155. However, using `high' to be 70-90 mph:  a) They are quite amenable to long high speed drives. I've done several 1k mile+ trips in my Civic with no problems whatsoever. The last big trip I made was driving from New York to Texas. I remember driving 700-800 miles a day at typically 75-85 mph  without any problems. I'm sure I   would have been more comfortable driving a benz, but no white knuckles. No problems with winds and curves.   Then there was the trip back from New Orleans after Mardi Gras - where we were doing 80+ all the way to Houston. No problems.  b) Both my cars have surprising good fuel economy at high speeds. I see no difference between sustained 60 mph and sustained 80mph. On the trip back from New Orleans, we got about 30 mpg in my Integra, quite ok. Mind you, the engine revs to almost 4k at 80. The civic is markedly better than the Integra in fuel economy. 50k miles down the road, I still get 35 mpg at 70-75 mph driving.   >|> b) I can't understand why these high-scale European marquees are afraid >|>    to design engines that can be repeatedly revved to near redline in >|>    the low gears. I have been doing that for that last 50k miles with >|>    my lowly Civic, with no detriment to either the engine or the clutch, >|>    and getting excellent mpg to boot. I'd call this an engineering hack >|>    to cover up design deficiencies. > >At 50k miles you'd still be breaking-in a "high-scale European marquee"  They  >typically are designed to last 300,000 miles per engine, 500,000 mi. per >chassis. (The record is now over 1,500,000 miles on a Benz diesel, and I've >read about *transmissions* lasting 700,000 miles.)  Speaking of  Now now, you can't compare a diesel with a gasoline engine. I see enough bmws and gasoline mercs for sale that have 100-150k miles on them and advertise  rebuilt engines. If honda was to build an accord for 30k, I'd darn well expect the sucker to last 300k miles.  >diesels, they have very good efficiency at the cost of acceleration, and are very >popular in all European cars (diesel is considered the "green" fuel) from the >smallest econoboxes to the luxo-barges.  Again, we see a difference in mentality. >Diesels in the US are considered slightly worse than useless, and extremely >"dirty" to boot so you can't give them away.  Ever got caught behind a early 80's 300SDL at a stop light? It's not pleasant. The newer MB's are a lot better though. The diesel Volvos and VWs are probably the smelliest offenders.  As for economy, why should we care? Gas is cheap! I personally wouldn't buy a diesel car for any reason - what does it buy me?  Shantanu Ganguly Somerset (Motorola)  phone : (512) 795-7146                  Motorola Inc, Mail Drop OE 513 fax   : (512) 795-7513                  6501 William Cannon Drive W.                                         Austin TX 78735-8598 email : shantanu%ibmoto.com@oakhill.sps.mot.com  
Subject: Re: FORSALE: Men Without Hats- Folk of the 80's Part III vinyl From: andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz (andrew king) Reply-To: Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz Distribution: world Organization: Wibble X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 14  Grinning Evil Death (mute@bigwpi.WPI.EDU) wrote:  : Men Without Hats - "Folk of the 80's (Part III)" - vinyl  Anyone out there who is willing to part with their copy of  Men without Hats, "Pop goes the world!" album on vinyl...or perhaps CD...  please contact me, we wish to purchase it!   |o| Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz  )()                            |o| | |				  |U  |\   It's late (again)...   | | |o|				  |___|/ Tea and Lemmings please! |o|
From:  () Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk Organization: Florida State University ACNS Lines: 43  In article <C5sqv8.EDB@acsu.buffalo.edu>, SFEGUS@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu wrote: > In article <79857@cup.portal.com> > mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: > >An odd exception to the rule seems to be the product known as "gumbo file'". > >This is nothing more than coarsely ground dried sassafras leaves.  This > >is not only a natural product, but a natural product still in its natural > >form, so maybe that's how they evade Delany.  Or maybe a special exemption > >was made, to appease powerful Louisiana Democrats.  One possible reason is that file' is made with sassafras leaves, while root beer was made with sassafras bark or root bark.  The leaves contain either no or less saffrole than the bark.  There is also some sort of treatment which putatively removes saffrole from sassafras products.  I have some concentrated sassafras tea extract which is claimed to have the saffrole removed.  > I think what we have to keep in mind is that even though it may be illegal to > commercially produce/sell food with carcinogenic substances, it is not illegal > for people to do such to their own food (smoking, etc).  Is this true?  Well, the last time that I went to the store to buy sassafras bark to make  root beer, there was a sign saying that it wasn't sold for human consumption. Also, when I asked the person if they had wild cherry bark and wintergreen bark, she made a point of telling me that I couldn't buy sassafras for human  consumption.  I find the fact that some people reckless enough to step into an automobile live in fear of dropping dead because of a pork rib quite funny, in a sick way.  Eric Pepke                                     INTERNET: pepke@gw.scri.fsu.edu Supercomputer Computations Research Institute  MFENET:   pepke@fsu Florida State University                       SPAN:     scri::pepke Tallahassee, FL 32306-4052                     BITNET:   pepke@fsu  Disclaimer: My employers seldom even LISTEN to my opinions. Meta-disclaimer: Any society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers.
From: SFB2763@MVS.draper.com (Eileen Bauer) Subject: Re: thyroidal deficiency Nntp-Posting-Host: mvs.draper.com Organization: Draper Laboratory Lines: 49  In article <1993Apr30.162636.22327@cc.ic.ac.uk>, ewolff@ps.ic.ac.uk (Erik The Viking) writes:  >Hi. > >My wife has aquired some thyroidal (sp?) deficiency over the past year >that gives symptoms such as needing much sleep, coldness and proneness >to gaining weight. She has been to a doctor and taken the ordinary (?) >tests and her values were regarded as low. The doctor (and my wife) are >not very interested in starting medication as this "deactivates" the >gland, giving life-long dependency to the drug (hormone?). > ... >My questions are: has anyone had/heard of success in using this approach? >Her values have been (slowly but) steadily sinking, any comment on the >probability of improvement? Although the doctor has told her to 'eat >normally', my wife has dieted vigorously to keep her weight as she feels >that is part of keeping an edge over the illness/condition, may this >affect the treatment, development? >  There are several different types of Thyroid diseases which would cause a hypothyroid condition (reduction in the output of the thyroid, mainly thyroxin). Except for ones caused by infections, the treatment is generally thyroxin pills. Hypothyroid conditions caused by infections usually disappear when the infection does...this doesn't sound like the case with your wife. Thyroxin orally does "shut down the thyroid" through a feedback loop involving the pituitary (I believe). The pituitary "thinks" that the correct amount of thyroxin is being produced so it doesn't have to tell the thyroid to produce more. This process is reversable! I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis (an autoimmune condition) and was on thyroxin for approx 6 mo when my endocrinologist suggested I not take the pills for 6 wks. When I was retested for thyroxin levels, they were normal. I still get tested every 6mo because the condition might reappear. The pills are safe and have very few side-affects (& those mostly at beginning of treatment). Having a baby might be a problem and would at least require closer monitoring of hormone levels. Thyroxin controls energy production which explains sleepiness, coldness, and weight gain. There is also water retention (possibly around heart), changes in vision, and coarser hair and skin among other things.  I am not a doctor, so I'm sure I mistated something, but the important thing is that thyroid problems are usually easily corrected and if they aren't corrected can cause problems in the rest of the body. Get a second opinion from a good endocrinologist and have him/her explain things in detail to you and your wife.  - Eileen Bauer
From: dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) Subject: Re: TEXAS HB 1776 - VOTING IS TODAY Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station Lines: 18 Distribution: usa NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu  In article <1rgolaINNqjf@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes: >I just called Texas' legislative bill tracking service and found out >that HB 1776 (Concealed Carry) is scheduled for a floor vote TODAY! >Let those phone calls roll in.  Well, I don't normally like to quote myself, but I just got some additional information.  I called my state rep (to express my support), and the person there informed me that it's actually just a second reading of the bill (three are required) for further consideration. I'm not 100% sure what *that* means, and I'm also not sure why there's a discrepancy between what the two offices are telling me.  Still researching....  Daryl               Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    d-biberdorf@tamu.edu                + Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura
From: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? Reply-To: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp Lines: 20 In-reply-to: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)  In article <1r2aii$ivs@access.digex.net>, prb@access (Pat) writes: >In article <1993Apr20.211638.168730@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: >>Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo? > >I don't know a whole lot on Proton, but given that it is a multi stage >rocket,  up to 4 stages, it may not really need the Centaur,  plus >it may end up seriously beating on said centaur.     The Proton has been used in 2, 3, and 4 stage versions.  The two stage version was used for the first 3 launches, while the 3 and 4 stage versions are used today.  The four stage version is used mostly for escape (and geosynchronous?) orbits, while the 3 stage version is used for low earth orbits.  Since this is the version that launched Mir and the Salyuts (and the add-on modules for Mir), as long as Centaur is smaller than Mir (which I believe it is), it should fit under the shroud.  I vaguely recall that the Russians are developing a LH2/LOX upper stage for the Proton. -- Chris Jones    clj@ksr.com
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From: bwright@msi.com (Barton Wright) Subject: Re: (Some info) The DOS/MSW meltdown is progressing nicely Reply-To: bwright@msi.com Organization: Molecular Simulations Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] X-Posted-From: kozloid.msi.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu Lines: 17  Bruce Dubbs (bdubbs@cs.tamu.edu) wrote: > Another comment.  At least you have IBM consultants trying to help. > I've never heard of Microsoft sending customer engineers to a > client's organization to help solve problems.  (Could be wrong, but if > they do its not common knowledge.)  Microsoft has a division called Microsoft Consulting that does what IBM FEs (field engineers) do.  However, neither company just up and sends consultants to client sites.  Both companies charge very high hourly rates for on-site consulting unless the client has already paid an annual service contract.  +--------------------+----------------------------+----------------------+ |  Barton Wright     | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Voice (617) 229-9800 | |  bwright@msi.com   | Burlington, MA 01803-5297  | FAX   (617) 229-9899 | +--------------------+----------------------------+----------------------+
From: dewey@risc.sps.mot.com (Dewey Henize) Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie Organization: Motorola, Inc. -- Austin,TX Lines: 43 NNTP-Posting-Host: rtfm.sps.mot.com   Is it just me, or has this part gotten beyond useful?  Gregg is not, as I understand his posts, giving any support to the bounty on Rushdie's life.  If that's correct, end of one point...  Gregg is using the concept of legal in a way most Westerners don't accept. His comments about Islamic Law I think make a great deal of sense to him, and are even making a _little_ sense to me now - if a person is a member of a group (religion or whatever) they bind themselves to follow the ways of the group within the bounds of what the group requires as a minimum. The big bone of contention here that I'm picking up is that in the West we have secular governments that maintain, more or less, a level of control and of requirements outside the requirements of optional groups.  I think the majority of us reading this thread are in tune (note - I didn't say "in agreement") with the idea that you are finally responsible to the secular government,  and within that to the group or groups a person may have chosen.  With that in mind, it not possible under secular law ("legally" as most people would define the term) to hold a person to a particular group once they decide to separate from it.  Only if the secular authorities agree that there is a requirement of some sort (contractual, etc) is there any secular _enforcement_ allowed by a group to a group member or past group member.  A religion can, and often does, believe in and require additional duties of a group member.  And it can enforce the fulfillment of those duties in many ways - ostracism is common for example.  But the limit comes when the enforcement would impose unwanted and/or unaccepted onus on a person _in conflict with secular law_.  This is the difference.  In a theocracy, the requirements of the secular authorities are, by definition, congruent with the religious authorities. Outside a theocracy, this is not _necessarily_ true.  Religious requirements _may_ coincide or may not.  Similiarly, religious consequences _may_ or may not coincide with secular consequences (if any).  Regards,  Dew --  Dewey Henize Sys/Net admin RISC hardware (512) 891-8637 pager 928-7447 x 9637
