guns re civil rights violations eighth amendment 1 the davidians suffered cruel and unusual punishment when f thoes who escaped were imprisoned without bail without a hearing  happens all the time they were arraigned the next day id doubt youd have any luck on this point   i had heard that not all were arraigned yet some were being held as material witnesses 
baseball re mlb nba in article 93109 190117rvesterm vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes in article mssc5qrrz 91h netcom com mss netcom com mark singer says   1 why would owners decrease ticket prices when they obviously get lots of people to pay the price theyre asking   i dont think that it is obvious that lots of people are willing to pay the price im sure someone out there in net land has some facts about trends in attendance regarding percentage of capacity sold but even if the trends are relatively flat you have to consider what is happening on a team by team basis  when the tv money dries up franchises will be seeking to supplant the lost revenues from alternative sources one of the best sources may be ticket sales  example 1 the dodgers  the dodgers can count on a strong base of season ticket sales and probably believe that they have the ability to raise prices without hindering revenues i certainly think that is true  example 2 the padres  they will be lucky to average 10 000 fans a game this year if they raise prices less if they want to increase their overall revenue base the best thing they can do is put a winning team on the field but given that wont happen it wont they can probably make more money by lowering ticket prices and running frequent promotions will they do that i have no idea but they wont increase prices because it wont work for them   2 even assuming that you have some strange power to make the owners decrease ticket prices that does not decrease the tv contract   the only strange powers at work here are the forces of the market place each teams market is somewhat different and each owner is going to be faced with a unique set of circumstances about how to deal with those market forces as a buiness manager i would never want to lower my prices but sometimes that strategy is necessary and sometimes it works you have to consider everything if you want continued success     the beastmaster   mark singer mss netcom com 
baseball re phills vs pirates  as a philly fan as as a penna baseball fan im anxious to see the penna series anyone know when it starts and where the first games will be played  this is i think always good baseball to me and the pirates are also off to a good start  ed doc 
windows bungee after dark module uploaded hey folks  just moments ago i uploaded the bungee jumper after dark module that was widely talked about on here some time ago  its at ftp cica indiana edu in pub pc win3 uploads titled simply bungee zip  be sure to set your ftp connection to binary mode before downloading if you have any other after dark shareware freeware modules please upload them too the more the merrier   andrew   andrew bennett ajbennett miavx1 acs muohio edu what planet are you from 
guns re waco questions 16 what is the condition of the propane tank mentioned by the bd survivors i e is it crushed and does it have tread marks on it  dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com  the u s government has become a garrotte around the necks of its citizens just as with a garrotte the more people struggle to breathe the air of freedom the more the government tightens its stranglehold the only possible outcomes at this point are the death of government or the elimination of personal freedom 
cars re car buying story was christ another dealer service scam  while not exactly a service incident i had a similar experience recently when i bought a new truck  i had picked out the vehicle i wanted and after a little haggling we agreed on a price i wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax and license and told them id be back that evening to pick up the truck when i returned i had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could get to me when i finally got in there everything went smoothly until he started adding up the numbers he then discovered that they had miscalculated the tax license by about 150  this seems to be a popular scam with dealers last month my brother bought a new audi 90 series quatro from a local dealer they came back with the final price tax and all and he added it up for himself there happened to be an extra 300 tagged on under the tax part he pointed out their error and asked them to re think their addition they came back with the right price the next time 
medicine centi and milli pedes does anyone know how posionous centipedes and millipedes are if someone was bitten how soon would medical treatment be needed and what would be liable to happen to the person  just for clarification i have not been bitten by one of these but my house seems to be infested and i want to know just in case  rebecca   
religion peace run 93  welcome to the peace run  youre invited to join in a global relay run and help light the way    why the peace run  theres a new spirit in the nineties a spirit of oneness a growing belief in the possibility of true global peace  the goal of the sri chinmoy oneness home peace run is simple to bring this spirit forward in a concrete way to transform it into a reality in their own lives  every other year thousands of men women and children from more than 70 nations passing a flaming peace torch from hand to hand join together in a relay run that virtually circles the globe transcending political and cultural boundaries they go from nation to nation across mountains jungles and deserts carrying the message of brotherhood to all humankind  each person who holds or runs with the peace torch lights a path for those who follow each time the peace torch changes hands the flame of oneness burns a little brighter until one day it will shine in the hearts and minds of every individual on earth   making history  the three peace runs since 1987 have achieved some historic break throughs in the middle east a landmark run crossed the egyptian israeli border in europe a precedent setting run linked eastern and western europe with russia in the united states mexico and canada entire cities were dedicated to the cause of world peace and in poland the peace torch was blessed by pope john paul ii   speaking as one world leaders celebrities and you  the peace run has won the support of leaders the world over presidents prime ministers religious leaders sports figures and entertainment personalities  its message has spread to a half billion people though newspaper reports magazine articles and radio and tv broadcasts including specials on pbs mtv and nbcs today show  i am happy to support your peace run for justice peace and reconciliation the world must know that god wants us to live amicably as brothers and sisters members of one family the human family gods family archbishop desmond tutu nobel peace prize winner   how it all works  peace run 1993 started with a five borrough relay in new york city on saturday april 17 converging at various points to lead up to the opening ceremony outside the united nations dag hammarskjold building there runners from around the world were gathered for the fourth lighting of the peace torch  from there peace torches are now being transported to over seventy countries for a series of concurrent international or cross country relay runs including the united states canada japan australia russia and eastern and western europe smaller runs will take place in the philippines mexico israel south america egypt and elsewhere in africa distance to be covered 31 000 miles  the peace run wil do much to inspire the hearts and stimulate the minds of those who support participate in witness or hear about the event carl lewis six time olympic gold medalist   whos behind it  the peace run is sponsored by the sri chinmoy marathon team an international running organization that believes sports can be a powerful instrument for promoting world peace each year the team puts on hundreds of athletic events including several world class ultramarathons marathons and triathlons in dozens of countries  the peace run itself is inspired by the global peace ambassador sri chinmoy who has written and lectured extensively on peace offered hundreds of free peace concerts and met with countless world figures to advance the cause of international harmony  the run is managed by peace runs international a non profit organization based in the united states   take a step for peace  the peace runs in 1987 1989 and 1991 attracted nearly half a million participants were expecting even more people to join peace run 93  you can also join the run carrying the peace torch a few steps a few blocks or a few miles or you can come out and cheer the runners as they carry the torch through your community  you can also join local celebrities and government officials in one of the thousands of welcoming ceremonies scheduled along the 70 nation route  your inner support is important too if youre a runner each time you go out you can dedicate your run to the cause of world peace   the next step is yours make it one for peace   for information contact peace runs international 161 44 normal road jamaica ny 11432 usa tel 718 291 6637 fax 718 291 6978  peace run canada 2456 agricola street halifax nova scotia b3k 4c2 tel 902 425 1174 fax 902 420 0773  or for the phone number or address of a peace run office in your town or country reply to this message by e mail 
baseball red sox choke contest to encourage the great tradition of red sox negativism i am having a contest to predict the magnitude of the sox fall from their current heights you must decide first whether the sox will be at 500 again at any time during this year then you must predict either  1 their record the first time theyre at 500 if they are or  2 their final record if they stay above 500 the rest of the year  so valentines earlier prediction would go as 13 13 resend it if you were serious val  espn pointed out last night that the last sox start better than this was in 1952 when they finished 76 78 in sixth place  so email me your guess either at barring cs washington edu or directly replying to this post  entries close 5 pm pdt on wed 28 apr 1993  dave mb 
medicine q repelling wasps this is a cross post to rec gardens and sci med set the follow up line in the header depending on what kind of advice you give or e mail directly to me ceci lysator liu se  i have a problem with wasps they seem to love me last summer i couldnt spend more than ten to fifteen minutes at a time in my garden before one or several wasps would come for me i am asking for advice on how to repel wasps  this year the wasps have built their nest under a stone next to one of my tiny ponds the caretaker poor fellow will have to take care of them and that will give me a head start on them last year we couldnt find any nest even after the caretaker has gassed the nest in my tiny garden of 30 square meter other wasps will most likely vie for the territory is there anything i can grow rub on my skin or spread on the soil that will repel the black and yellow bastards never mind if it turns my skin purple or kills off all my beloved plants i want to be able to spend time in my garden like everyone else  would it help to remove the ponds and the bird bath the wasps seem to come to drink at them and i suppose that their prey will breed in them the black tits seem to be afraid of the wasps because as soon as the wasp season starts they stop coming to have their bath  even when i am not trying to win back my patio from 15 20 wasps they seem to love me the advice i usually get when i ask what to do about wasps is to stand still and not wave my arms ive got some painful stings when trying to follow that advice i have also tried to use hygienic products without perfumes to no avail they still love me and come for me even when im in the middle of a crowd so far only two things seem to work to kill it dead or to run into the house and close all doors and windows  nb i dont have a problem with bees or bumble bees just wasps patronizing advice redirected to dev null  ceci  ceci lysator liu se the number of rational hypotheses that can explain any given phenomenon is infinite phaedrus law from rm pirsigs zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance 
guns re change of name in article cmm 0 90 2 735383339 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes  note my posting was in reply to those about fbi torching the plasce after filling it with napalm and arrested people dissapering    about waco it looks to me as the batf and fbi cant handle situations like this the way it went reminds me of stun bomb beeing dropped on a house in la from a helicopter whole block went up in flames 5 died  it doesnt have to be a conspiracy maybe they just screwed up  i dont think weve got a conspiracy on our hands or anything vaugely similar i do think that the feds showed a distinct lack of both intelligence and disregard for others safety throughout this whole mess  i do think the fbi and the batf screwed up big what made me really concerned was fbi director william sessions being on cnn engaging in what could only be called spin control before the place had even cooled down evertyhing had literally blown up in their faces and i felt there had to be something more important he should have been doing   david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al 
windows save my hard disk allocation error cross linked hi  while running the ms quick c compiler in a dos window under windows 3 1 this evening i got a program has violated system integrity close all applications exit windows and restart your computer error  i started to do this when i immediately got a serious disk error message from windows hit return to retry i did that about 5 times and then rebooted to find that quite a few files have been corrupted somehow i am including the chkdsk output below  questions  1 is there an easy way to restore everything to working order what might be some better approaches  2 what might have caused this does the smartdrv cache make me more vulnerable im suspicious of hard drive caches especially when they cache data writing  the straightforward approach would be to run chkdsk with the f option to fix the disk and then it looks like i would probably have to reinstall windows and a few other things  thanks for your comments and suggestions  brad banko  ps this is a 386sx machine with a 40mb hard drive and 2 mb of ram   chkdsk output  volume serial number is 1159 09d3 errors found f parameter not specified corrections will not be written to disk  c gfx vpic46 cvpic exe allocation error size adjusted c gfx vpic46 vpic txt allocation error size adjusted c gfx vpic46 video7 cfg allocation error size adjusted c gfx vpic46 orcpro2 cfg allocation error size adjusted c gfx vpic46 vga cfg allocation error size adjusted c game goose bird2 x allocation error size adjusted c winmisc adv21 winadv exe allocation error size adjusted  316 lost allocation units found in 224 chains 647168 bytes disk space would be freed  c gfx vpic46 cvpic exe is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 c gfx vpic46 geno5400 cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16138 c gfx vpic46 tri8800b cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16139 c gfx vpic46 ts4000hi cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16140 c gfx vpic46 config doc is cross linked on allocation unit 16141 c gfx vpic46 vpic txt is cross linked on allocation unit 16146 c gfx vpic46 video7 cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16151 c gfx vpic46 defincon cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16152 c gfx vpic46 atiwondr cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16153 c gfx vpic46 geno6400 cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16154 c gfx vpic46 oak cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16155 c gfx vpic46 hires cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16156 c gfx vpic46 aheada cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16157 c gfx vpic46 vpic doc is cross linked on allocation unit 16208 c gfx vpic46 orcpro2 cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16184 c gfx vpic46 everx673 cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16185 c gfx vpic46 wait com is cross linked on allocation unit 16186 c gfx vpic46 maxxon cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16187 c gfx vpic46 wait doc is cross linked on allocation unit 16188 c gfx vpic46 everx678 cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16189 c gfx vpic46 ega cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16190 c gfx vpic46 config exe is cross linked on allocation unit 16191 c gfx vpic46 readme 1st is cross linked on allocation unit 16199 c gfx vpic46 vga cfg is cross linked on allocation unit 16201 c game goose bird2 x is cross linked on allocation unit 16382 c windows system sound drv is cross linked on allocation unit 16380 c windows games0 grp is cross linked on allocation unit 16367 c windows mad79 11 bmp is cross linked on allocation unit 16341 c mage demo2 2a kin is cross linked on allocation unit 16151 c mage demo2 2b kin is cross linked on allocation unit 16257 c mage pkin 2 2 exe is cross linked on allocation unit 16339 c winmisc games dialword exe is cross linked on allocation unit 16184 c winmisc games dialword txt is cross linked on allocation unit 16201 c winmisc adv21 winadv wri is cross linked on allocation unit 16257 c winmisc adv21 adv key is cross linked on allocation unit 16265 c winmisc adv21 adv rec is cross linked on allocation unit 16275 c winmisc adv21 freezer is cross linked on allocation unit 16339 c 386spart par is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 c bng2 mbx is cross linked on allocation unit 16146  42366976 bytes total disk space 3958784 bytes in 4 hidden files 153600 bytes in 67 directories 36042752 bytes in 1496 user files 1564672 bytes available on disk  2048 bytes in each allocation unit 20687 total allocation units on disk 764 available allocation units on disk  655360 total bytes memory 579712 bytes free  brad banko dept of physics u of illinois b banko uiuc edu  see one do one teach one 73 de kb8cne n9lnq il 
cars re too fast in article 1qh61m b6l armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes its a bit hard to prove a point like this but i can compare the  i was hoping for something like the chassis exhibits x degrees of flex when subjected to forces of more than y units forces of more than y units begin to manifest at z miles per hour  not well gee it wasnt designed to go fast because uhh well gee it wasnt designed to go fast its not a porsche you know  come with better seatbelts more supportive seats a stronger passenger compartment cage better brakes a stiffer suspension different tires and a body design that takes advantage of aero effects to keep the car on the ground what do they come with  well as compared to the normal taurus the sho comes with more supportive seats better brakes a stiffer suspension different tires and a body design that takes advantage of aero effects to keep the car on the ground or at least i think thats what all that boy racer plastic is for youre kidding yourself if you think any car on the road has a passenger compartment made to withstand 130 mph impacts  compare either to the porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed  oh right only 120 000 dollar cars should be driven fast they drive goddamn rabbits at 120 mph in europe pal and i reckon a taurus is at least as capable as a rabbit  certainly havent convinced me  of course not speeding is bad speeding is illegal i will not speed i love big brother you had your mind made up already  its interesting that lots of the roads out west had no speed limits until 1975  wr    
windows re wallpaper in windows 3 1 in article 1qvpdo q7i bigboote wpi edu bigal wpi wpi edu nathan charles crowell writes hi there  is there any utility available that will make windows randomly select one of your windows directorys bmp files as the wallpaper file  nate nates sig  there are a couple i am personally using screenpeace which is a screen saver which will also select your wallpaper from a specified directory not necessarily the windows dir let me know if you want info ive been pretty happy with screenpeace and the latest version 3 is not at cica but oak windows3 scrpc3or something  mickey  pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd 
baseball re bosox win again the team record is 9 3 in article jxu 735168686 black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu dark wing duck writes today frank viola and rest of pitcher staff of boston red sox shutout chicago white sox 4 0 it is red sox 9th win of this season  so far red sox won all the games roger and frank v pitched 6 0 and 3 3 when other three starters were pitching tomorrow dopson will pitch again have a good first start and rocky second start i wonder that bosox can play over 500 ball without roger and frank v   as long as the yankees are in the same division the red sox will play better than 500 baseball  or the red sox can hire former east german swimming coaches to train them at the fine art of body building the red sox can use chinese women swimmers as a reference  with the hawk the red sox definitely have a chance for the east this year he brings class work ethic and leadership to the park each day and he has a burning desire to play in the world series  future hall of famer andre dawson will kick butt in boston  from rockies country  anthony m jivoin national center for atmospheric research rsf atd fl1 p o box 3000 boulder co 80307 
guns two questions id appreciate any help anyone could give me on these two questions  the brady bill was in the news throughout 1992 but what actually happened to it in congress did bush veto it if so when  also the state of virginia i believe just passed a gun control bill on febrauary 25 of this year i think it limits gun purchases to one a month is this correct what was the bill number  anyone 
cars re lh workmanship in article 1993apr15 203750 25764 walter bellcore com jchen ctt bellcore com writes i just visited the ny auto show and saw two lh cars on the floor eagle vision and dodge intrepid  really nice i must say very attractive styling lots of features and room at a competitive price  unfortunately the workmanship is quite disappointing on both cars the rubber seals around the window and door fell off it turns out the seals are just big grooved rubber band it goes on just by pressing the groove against the tongue on the door frame surely it would come off easily  lack of build quality was the thing i notced on the first 2 lhs i saw months back the panel gaps were large and non uniform between the 2 cars i saw the kind of thing you expect and accept on a mustang but not from chryslers savior i drove one of the low end cars and thought it was more than adequate id prefer an lh to a taurus from my brief experience  craig   i am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering assembly problems that will show up later  i may still consider buying it but only when it establishes a good track record  jason chen 
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cars re impala ss going into i still cant understand all the hype about the impalla ss it still has the ugly caprice body orca on wheels the caprice was the worst new body style to come out of detroit ever now just because the lt1 engine and a few suspension tweeks are being added  its still ugly its still a barge gms answer to everything is throw in a v8 and someone will buy it or add some plastic ground affects and a few stickers and call it a gt gtz or ss and someone will buy it  imho gm needs to scrap the caprice body completely and start over with a blank sheet of paper no minor modification wheel well treatments tail amp modification or nose re design or even the lt1 engine will help the existing caprice  jeff 
guns re waco headlines and editorial in boston globe john kim kim39 scws8 harvard edu writes  boston globe wednesday april 21 1993  little in the way of rationality could be expected from koresh a self confessed sinner without equal  funny if koresh did say that he was quoting st paul of course the early christians were persecuted too if koresh is a loony because he quotes the bible how long is it before mainstream christians become the target of the fbis loving care and attention  jason    get off the cross we need the wood steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu 
windows re norton desktop for windows 2 2 in article 1993apr2 180451 15428 exu ericsson se ebuwoo ebu ericsson se james woo 66515 writes hi i wonder if anyone has had a chance try out norton desktop for windows version 2 2 yet i understand the upgrade cost from 2 0 to 2 2 is about 20 00 but i have no idea what the new version has  i got the offer to upgrade this weekend its 19 8 50 shipping and handling the s h seem way too steep for just a couple of disks sounds like ripoff city can this purchased at vendors     bill volz chevron petroleum technology co earth model interpretation analysis division p o box 446 la habra ca 90633 0446 phone 310 694 9340 fax 310 694 7063 
cars re opel owners in article c5t3b2 dg news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes boyle cactus org craig boyle writes  in article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca darren gibbons writes im looking for information on opel cars now you ask which model well the sad truth is im not entirely sure but its a two seater with roll over headlights hard top and really sporty looking my friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition body wise but he transmission has seized up on him so it hasnt run for a while does anyone have any info on these cars the engine compartment looks really tight to work on but it is in fine shape and i am quite interested in it thanks darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca  this would be the manta would it not sold through buick dealers in the mid 70s as the price leader  sounds a lot more like an opel gt to me id guess that this is on the same chassis as the kadett rather than the bigger manta but i could easily be wrong i think the later kadetts were sold here as buick opels  craig  i think the manta is the european name for the gt im pretty sure well the european manta and us gt have entirely different bodies there is little or no chance that they are the same the manta went through several generations as the coupe version of the ascona and was ok in its time  that the only kadetts sold here were are the pontiac lemans i think the  not true the kadett has been in and out of the us market over the years the lemans old kadett is only the latest version  craig gt is just an early 70s to mid 70s manta  different cars one looks like a sports car the other is a coupe   chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area   
medicine re patti dukes problem in article 1993apr26 070649 2138 hemlock cray com n3022 cray com writes does anyone have information about the struggles that patti duke went through in her personal life with severe mood swings did she have some form of chemical imbalance that triggered these problems i recall that she wrote a book about her troubles does someone have the title of that book  shes published two books about her manic depressive illness  call me anna the autobiography of patty duke patty duke and kenneth turan bantam books 1987  and  a brilliant madness living with manic depressive illness patty duke and gloria hochman bantam books 1992   barbara 
religion re imaginary friends dragons mice he sounds really cute morte kinds like petes dragon maybe smaller maybe a different species winged shakespear wing ed  ive always hat a horde of mice to turn to for fun sort of that kind of mouse in cinderella walt disney i grew up sort of as an only child part time my siblings were 10 8 6 years older than me so i was pretty commonly a different sort of charater in their games read non speaking hot cocoa goffer stand in still silent bad guy good guy etc so my mice were playmates more than advisors  could curt or whomever has a good list of books please post such list in all sorts of fields like jungian condensed buddist etc philosophies multiple personailty disorders or good fiction that has well worked imaginary friends  thanks sheilagh wanting a bunch of library catalouge topics to search thru 
cars re bimmer vs beamer in article 1993apr18 173934 14572 newsgate sps mot com markm latium mark monninger writes although not in direct response to the referenced article just to set the record straight beamers are bmw motorcycles bmw cars are bimmers please  huh i though beamers were ibm employees  lets get our terms straight  actually some purists would argue that the only true bimmer is a round tail light 2002 or 1600  mark 
baseball re jewish ballplayers your list of jewish ballplayers includes levi samuel meyerle son of jacob and margaret meyerle although that sounds like a jewish name meyerles surviving relatives say he wasnt jewish according to nineteenth century stars published by sabr in 1989 incidentally long levi he was 6 foot 1 batted 492 in the first season of the national association the first pro league needless to say he hasnt been topped yet of course the na is not considered a major league by officialdom over five seasons meyerle hit 368 in the na he also played for the first three seasons of the nl hitting 329     phil brown aka pb6755 csc albany edu  
baseball good hands was re apology for article in article c5w7zo 5xl eskimo com stevet eskimo com steven thornton writes stuff deleted mattingly scores badly on both counts he doesnt get to very many balls and he lets a lot of balls go through the fact that he looks smooth has great hands and makes few errors means nothing this is traditional brainless reliance on observations that can easily be misled like a lot of bad fielders mattingly actually makes himself look better by not having any range hes nowhere near as bad as steve garvey but thats not much of a compliment  i agree with the flavor of this post but disagree with one specific argument that has great hands means nothing it seems to me that a first basemans defensive value is not entirely or even primarily from his ability to field grounders or catch popups how many such chances does he get during a game many fewer than he gets chances to catch throws from 2b ss 3b and p i mean the total of these is much higher than grounder popup totals this implies to me that there is value in catching these throws well even if they are high up the line or in the dirt good hands are needed for such plays and thus have value i dont have any numbers for the relative number of occurences of these plays but id guess that the values of these abilities are similar its just like you dont judge catchers defense primarily on how they field bunts and popups but not as marked i suppose  michael    
cars re its a rush was re too fast boyle cactus org craig boyle wrote  marshatt feserve cc purdue edu zauberer writes wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes  remember roads in america are not designed for speeds above 80 meaning they  would be safe at 55 65 roads like the autobahn are smoother straiter wider and slightly banked  well thats news before 1975 the speed limit on texas highways was 75 the speed limit on the new jersey turnpike i 95 was 70 there were no speed limits in nevada or montana  i guess i wasnt clear enough here i said the roads were designed for speeds of 80 or so and still be safe the current 55 65 will add a saftey margin   actually the roads were designated as safe at 80 when they were built in the 1950s taking into account the kinds of cars then available the number would be much higher today because the cars tires and just about everything else has imprivoved a lot  except the drivers  tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil  usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea massive difficult to redirect awe inspiring entertaining and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it gene spafford 1992 
baseball re lets talk phillies article from as follows from bml2 ns1 cc lehigh edu brian michael lucy subject re lets talk phillies date 15 apr 93 06 29 05 gmt organization lehigh university lines 9  in article uflkll 00vpcekw15e andrew cmu edu al1x andrew cmu edu amit likhy ani writes excerpts from netnews rec sport baseball 9 apr 93 re lets talk phillies u96 msopher vaxc stevens 963 like this oh well how do we spell cellar p i r a t e s ninja jew are there any philly fans who want to put money on that if not stop your woofing ben rivera got hammered true last week but tonight he pitched 6 shutout innings and got 9 runs behind him thats why were 8 1  one phrase for you fuck you thanks 
windows do we need sdk as well as ddk   the microsoft windows device driver kit ddk documentation blurb states that the user must separately acquire the microsoft windows software development kit sdk which contains the windows tools to build the drivers if we are using borland c with application frameworks is this necessary we also have a copy of the microsoft press programmers reference library books which normally comes with the sdk and microsoft macro assembler 6 0 why is the sdk neccessary for development of virtual device drivers  steven murray posted on behalf of brian davies  
guns re rewording the second amendment ideas in article 1993apr21 091130 17788 ousrvr oulu fi dfo vttoulu tko vtt fi foxvog douglas writes  this means you would support a ban if it were narrow enough good  this was not stated nor implied try asking  nerve gas and mustard gas are well defined other poisonous gasses should be individually banned only if it can be shown that there is no use not related to weaponry licenses should be available for research purposes on such chemicals  this is laughable licenses right so then i would need a license to possess chlorine gas it is a weapons grade poison would i be breaking the law then if i were to say pour chlorox on the spot where my cat pissed on the floor the reaction of ammonia and bleach liberates pure chlorine gas do i go to jail for this why or why not  would i need a license to possess other chemical agents what about nicotine deadly poison and rather fast acting must i now become licensed to posess tobacco and what about nicotine sulphate an even deadlier poison will i need a license to possess this type of insecticide what about raid tm black flag gasoline benzene hydrazine a violent poison  will i go to jail for possessing a can of tomatoes that went bad with botulinus  what about my mom pop qc lab where i use cyanogen bromide mustard gas to do lot analysis on certain non prescription pharmaceuticals  what if i wish to use potassium cyanide to recover gold from aqua regia a license  would i need a license to possess beryllium perhaps the most poisonous non radioactive metal how about beryllium copper alloy  do i need a license for nitrate fertilizers which could be used to make very powerful explosive devices such as the one that the ira recently detonated killing 1 and injuring 45  can i have vinegar without license hydrogen peroxide where is the line drawn  i am not a lawyer but these ideas could certainly be a basis for definitions  yes they could but are they good ideas are they needed is there any shred of sanity in them scarcely i trust  andy v 
cars re jeep grand vs toyota 4 runner in article 1pq29p 29p seven up east sun com jfox hooksett east sun com writes  any reason you are limited to the two mentioned they arent really at the same point along the suv spectrum not to mention price range how about the explorer trooper blazer montero and if the budget allows the land cruiser  any advice on how to buy a land cruiser my local toyota dealer says they get two a year and if i want one i can just get on the waiting list forget about a test drive or even kicking the tires and if they are that rare i doubt there is much of a parts inventory on hand  land crusier is just simply nice with shit load of power and room fully stocked it cost 40 000 i think it is worth the money only problem is when you get into accident it doesnt usually break down unless you forget to get a oil change for 30000 miles or something stupid like this body parts and other parts are very hard to locate parts are over priced also one of my friend had accident in past snow storm and he is still waiting for front bumper and passenger side fender  well if you test drive land cruiser all other suv look like toys one of magazine writer called it land bruiser  if you have 40 000 to spare for suv get land cruiser and forget lange rover  sang  
windows remapping in procomm 4windows one can only remap special command keys in procomm it seems i would like to remap other keys too especially altgr 2 and such combinations  anybody know a plain or dirty way to do this of cause most people settle for remapping function keys but i dont see why there should be a limitation  yours mattias 
medicine prohibit for spiral meningitis i like to know how effective prohibit is to prevent spiral meningitis for a child who is five years old i heard its from canada what sort of side effects etc  chul hee cho 
medicine re medication for parkinsons in article 19621 3049 uupcb factory com jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein writes  if you want to throw around names drs donald calne terry elizan and jesse cedarbaum dont recommend selegiline not to mention dr william landau   gosh jesse is that famous now he was my intern landau not liking it makes me like it out of spite just kidding bill    gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon  
cars mbenz bmw question when do the new m benz c class cars come out the new nomenclature that mb has adopted will it only apply to the c class cars or will it also apply to the current s class cars does any one know what will replace the current 300 class since the c class will be smaller and more in line with the current 190 another question is bmw realising a new body style on the current 7 series and 5 series they seem to be a bit dated to me 
windows moving icons i remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away from the mouse as it moved near them does anyone know the name of this program and the ftp location probably at cica    kirk membry our age is the age of industry rutgers viamar kmembry alexander rodchenko  
windows re save my hard disk allocation error cross linked   brad banko writes while running the ms quick c compiler in a dos window under windows 3 1 this evening i got a program has violated system integrity close all applications exit windows and restart your computer error  gawd i love windows  1 is there an easy way to restore everything to working order what might be some better approaches  youll probably want to delete any damaged executables and reload them fresh data files should be examined and repaired  2 what might have caused this does the smartdrv cache make me more vulnerable im suspicious of hard drive caches especially when they cache data writing  youre not stupid smartdrive caches things and windows also runs a swap file which may contain data also all of this is pretty risky stuff in a pc environment  the straightforward approach would be to run chkdsk with the f option to fix the disk and then it looks like i would probably have to reinstall windows and a few other things  a reasonably accurate prediction   heres a brief description of how dos stores files  there are three pieces to a file the directory entry the fat chain and the data area you can think of these as a sheet of lined notebook paper a sheet of graph paper and a stack of 3x5 cards  the directory entry notebook paper holds the file name actual size and first cluster number it also holds some other information thats not important right now  the file allocation table fat chain graph paper tells where to find the actual data each square of graph paper holds a number if the number is zero the cluster associated with this box is available if it holds a magic number it is either the last piece of a file or a bad unuseable spot on the disk any other number tells which cluster contains the next section of the file  the data area 3x5 cards is where the actual information is stored the data area is organized as clusters of a fixed size storage is doled out in chunks of one cluster each in your case one cluster is 2048 bytes as a cluster is filled another is allocated  to read a file you first look at the directory entry to get the starting cluster number now you read the data from that cluster next look at the fat entry for the cluster you just read this will tell you the cluster number for the next chunk of the file naturally these numbers are usually sequential but they can jump around and even go backwards continue reading one cluster at a time as you walk this chain through the fat until you hit the marker which says its the last cluster in the file  chkdsk is the dos utility that checks the sanity and coherence of the directories and the fat and can bludgeon most flaws into submission it doesnt have any intelligence so you have to double check anything it fixes  now lets do a bit of a post mortem  c gfx vpic46 cvpic exe c gfx vpic46 vpic txt c gfx vpic46 video7 cfg c gfx vpic46 orcpro2 cfg c gfx vpic46 vga cfg c game goose bird2 x c winmisc adv21 winadv exe allocation error size adjusted  all of these files have sizes according to the fat which dont match the size reported in their directory entries chkdsk f will alter the directory entries to match the fat size in other words the directory entry for cvpic exe may say the file is 64 877 bytes long but chkdsk found a fat chain of 43 clusters attached to it my numbers obviously are made up  316 lost allocation units found in 224 chains 647168 bytes disk space would be freed  disk space was found which is allocated in the fat but is not attached to any directory entry chkdsk f gives you the option of converting these lost chains to files you can then examine the files file0000 chk through file0223 chk and rename or discard them or if you tell chkdsk not to convert them to files then those clusters will simply be marked available in the fat   c gfx vpic46 cvpic exe is cross linked on allocation unit 16133    c 386spart par is cross linked on allocation unit 16133  these files are both referencing the same data cluster obviously one of them at least must be wrong its interesting to note that c 386spart par is your windows swap file  to fix this you should copy each cross linked file to a new name this will fix the cross link by giving the files unique data spaces now delete the cross linked files examine the copies and try to assemble them properly good luck hint missing pieces are likely to be found in those lost chains at the top  42366976 bytes total disk space 3958784 bytes in 4 hidden files 153600 bytes in 67 directories 36042752 bytes in 1496 user files 1564672 bytes available on disk  your disk is pretty close to full this may be the actual cause of the problem perhaps windows needed to expand its swapfile by an amount which exceeded available disk space  in any case the short summary is that something trashed your fat there are utilities that can mirror your fat and help repair damage after something like this but you have to run them before the problem occurs sorry     gordon s hlavenka cgordon vpnet chi il us vote straight ticket procrastination party dec 3rd   gordon s hlavenka cgordon vpnet chi il us vote straight ticket procrastination party dec 3rd 
baseball re sid fernandez in article 1993apr15 145914 1575 csi jpl nasa gov cub csi jpl nasa gov ray miller writes i read this morning that sid fernandez left last nights game with stiffness in his shoulder does anyone have any information as to the extent of the injury if indeed there is one or weather the cold air in colorado just got his joints a little stiff  thanks for the help  all they said on the radio that he developed stiffness in the shoulder after throwing a curveball that didnt loosen because of the cold night in denver they decided to remove him from the game rather than let him pitch he is expected to pitch his next turn in the rotation expected to be april 20 at shea vs the giants  scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe lets go mets 
cars re legal car buying problems in article c5sydn c2v megatest com jao megatest com john oswalt writes  however if you agree some terms and then when about to sign the dealer slips you a contract with different terms and leads you to believe that it embodies the terms you verbally agreed to that is fraud there is no 3 day limit on restitution for fraud  you may have to sue and win to get out of this you will almost certainly have to threaten to sue   on the other hand remember the old adage that a verbal agreement isnt worth the paper its printed on once you sign you are going to have one hell of a time proving fraud based on a comparison to what you thought you were going to sign  being in the right is one thing proving it is another   brian g gordon briang sun com briang netcom com b gordon2 on genie 70243 3012 on compuserve bgordon on aol  
windows strange 386 enhanced behavior howdy  we have been having a real problem with an ast 386sx 16 machine with 4mb of ram we installed paradox for windows but i dont think paradox is the real problem here and the installation went ok windows is installed on a local drive paradox installed on a novell network netware 386 v3 26 or greater dos 5 win 3 1 but the program will not load in 386 enchanted mode the thermometer bar goes to 60 and we then either get a invalid command com or a windows nastygram talking about an illegal instruction ive checked out the command com thing but as a long time c programmer ive crashed my share of machines with pointer problems and this is a standard behavior  anyway paradox will run in standard mode but not enhanced we also have quattro pro windows exhibiting the same behavior spent about 2 hours with borlands tech people with no avail the guy i talked to a microsoft didnt want to really dig in and help as he gave up pretty quickly somewhat disappointing really i expected more from microsoft youd think with all the millions of windows installations that they would have seen all the possible problems but i guess not  microsoft had sent us a 13 page fax on fixing uae and general protection faults sorry i cant fax anything out of here so please dont ask try microsoft which we tried we did everything they said and still no luck  so if you can help please mail me this problem is driving us nuts i will greatly appreciate any information anyone can pass on  thanks  kelly  this is the real signature please ignore the following demon signature  kelly j grant grantk nosc mil 4045 hancock st 619 225 2562 the next time someone asks you if you san diego ca 92110 are a god you say yes    kelly grant grantk manta nosc mil 619 553 0850 computer sciences corp important manta uucp wont get to me 4045 hancock street if you are given lemons see if you can trade for san diego ca 92110 chocolate me 
baseball re game length was re braves update in article 20apr93 15151474 vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu writes  i agree with nick whats the big deal about long games if you want to watch baseball theres that much more baseball to watch and yes baseball includes the space between plays as well as the plays themselves  i dont really mind the length of games either if they want to speed the games up in sensible ways thats fine with me too however what i object to is the assertion by baseball people whitey herzog buck rodgers are who ive heard say this that games are too long because hitters are taking too many pitches and that the strike zone needs to be expanded  john franjione department of chemical engineering university of colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu 
baseball stats  im trying to find a site that has updated daily stats more the national league ill take both leagues but im really interested in the national league  how about them philadelphia sillies 
guns re reasonable civie arms limits in article 1993apr19 223925 2342 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes a poster claims he always asks anti gunners what they think would be reasonable personal firepower restrictions ok then  caliber not greater than 32 muzzle not greater than 300 ft lbs with any combo of bullet wt vel action single shot rifles and single action revolvers revolvers bearing no more than six rounds and incorporating an anti fanning mechanism to discourage roy rogers wannabes bullets any non explosive variety hps just fine  now these specs leave the 32 h r magnum as about the most powerful allowable civie cartridge for handgun or rifle use it would be reasonably effective against home intruders muggers rabid wolves and other such nasties even with the firearm type limitations at the same time this caliber power limit would reduce the ultimate lethality of hits the chances of the average joe encountering a gang of huge individuals all drunk and stoned on pcp and crystal meth and with a bad attitude and all armed and willing to die well its about zero far less than the chances of getting killed driving your car  when will you people realize that our right to keep and bear isnt primarily intended to be for protecting against criminals and beasties in the wild granted it is a big part but we also need military style weapons so we can fight off the government when they come to our door when ten agents come to my door it would be nice to be able to shoot all of them for not upholding the constitution to the best of their ability it will be a lot harder doing that with the puny weapons you listed above  please read the federalist papers for all clarification on rkba these documents have cleared up plenty of misnomers that friends of mine have had       matt porter mporter cis ohio state edu mporter magnus acs ohio state edu 
medicine re lung disorders and clubbing of fingers in article slagle 93mar26205915 sgi417 msd lmsc lockheed com slagle lmsc lockheed com writes can anyone out there enlighten me on the relationship between lung disorders and clubbing or swelling and widening of the fingertips what is the mechanism and why would a physician call for chest xrays to diagnose the cause of the clubbing  purists often distinguish between true clubbing and pseudo clubbing the difference being that with true clubbing the angle of the nail when viewed from the side is constantly negative when proceeding distally towards the fingertip with pseudo clubbing the angle is initially positive then negative which is the normal situation real internists can talk for hours about clubbing im limited to a couple of minutes  whether this distinction has anything to do with reality is entirely unclear but it is one of those things that internists love to paw over during rounds supposedly only true clubbing is associated with disease the problem is that the list of diseases associated with clubbing is quite long and includes both congenital conditions and acquired disease since many of these diseases are associated with cardiopulmonary problems leading to right to left shunts and chronic hypoxemia it is very reasonable to get a chest xray however many of the congenital abnormalities would only be diagnosed with a cardiac catheterization  the cause of clubbing is unclear but presumably relates to some factor causing blood vessels in the distal fingertip to dilate abnormally  clubbing is one of those things from an examination which is a tipoff to do more extensive examination often however the cause of the clubbing is quite apparent  km 
guns re batf fbi revenge pat rwing uucp pat myrto writes  well maybe i am overreacting  this is probably the best part of your post everything else is shrill speculation  tom gift tomgift uxa cso uiuc edu  
cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr15 170720 8538 colorado edu drew kinglear cs colorado edu drew eckhardt writes  most cars have drain petcocks in the radiators and ive never seen nor heard of a vandal opening one i imagine that there would be an even lower risk with an oil plug because you have to crawl furthur under the car to open it  car vandals are usually real traditional in their methods and do things that dont get them dirty like keying your car dumping sand sugar or mothballs in the gas tank tping it etc  usually go enough places and youll see stuff happen you didnt think did   steve 
baseball you could look it up  yes i could look it up but i prefer to post this question to the net  i read somewhere in a long forgotten article that the handsignals used by major league umps were originally used to help a deaf ball player by the name of dummy urban myth true i gots ta know   mark b mbrownel alchemy chem utoronto ca 
cars re opel owners   in article c5t3b2 dg news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes newsgroups rec autos path llpost ll mit edu xn ll mit edu uhog mit edu wupost howland reston ans net ux1 cso uiuc edu news cso uiuc edu uxa cso uiuc edu cka52397 from cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc subject re opel owners date tue 20 apr 93 19 45 02 gmt 5 00 message id c5t3b2 dg news cso uiuc edu references gibbonsa 735339907 sfu ca c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu 1993apr20 223410 10923 cactus org sender usenet news cso uiuc edu net noise owner organization university of illinois at urbana lines 30  boyle cactus org craig boyle writes  in article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca darren gibbons writes im looking for information on opel cars now you ask which model well the sad truth is im not entirely sure but its a two seater with roll over headlights hard top and really sporty looking my friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition body wise but he transmission has seized up on him so it hasnt run for a while does anyone have any info on these cars the engine compartment looks really tight to work on but it is in fine shape and i am quite interested in it thanks darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca  this would be the manta would it not sold through buick dealers in the mid 70s as the price leader  sounds a lot more like an opel gt to me id guess that this is on the same chassis as the kadett rather than the bigger manta but i could easily be wrong i think the later kadetts were sold here as buick opels  craig  i think the manta is the european name for the gt im pretty sure that the only kadetts sold here were are the pontiac lemans i think the gt is just an early 70s to mid 70s manta  chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area   the gt was based on the kadette chassis it was built model years 1969 1973 the manta came out in the 1974 model year and was a 4 seat coupe    matthew r singer mit lincoln laboratory 617 981 3771 244 wood street singer ll mit edu lexington ma 02173  
baseball zane rescue us from simmons  so far simmons looks like a total idiot   1 zane smith should learn how to switchpitch and return from the dl i would rather have zane smith pitch right handed than have moeller pitch at all  2 i am sure simmons was ready to say i told you so after otto had an impressive win last week now ottos latest debacle has restored simmons reputation now he looks like he is back in his 92 form when he had the als highest era among starters four our sake not teds sake i hope he pitches with a 3 5 era for the rest of the season yeah right  3 tomlin and merced are a bit disappointing they are still doing decently but considering the considerable amount of talent and maturity they have shown their first seasons they seem to have actually gotten a little bit worse tomlin was almost unhittable his rookie year against lefty batters merced had a very good oba his rookie year he showed a lot of concentration at the plate in his rookie year  4 walk well he seems to be on the losing end tonight but i still think that walk desrved his contract  5 leyland should accept a part of the blame for the lavalliere situation i cant understand his and managements fear of losing tom prince through waivers even if they do whats the use he is aright hander like slaught not a very smart platoon also i am blaming leyland in this case since he is hcurrently convinced that lavalliere is through while giving him way too much time last year in the regular season and the playoffs slaught should have played in all 7 games he has a good average against right handed pitching didnt leyland and simmons forsee this last year and attempt to trade lavalliere last year itself any fool could tell them lavalliere wasnt very fit last year  6 dennis moeller is scary 7 candeleria well he is not going to have such a high era at the end of the season maybe it will be in 3 4 range but 1 million plus come on other than the customary home run giving stage patterson goes through for a few weeks patterson has served the pirates very well each year so far he seems to have pitched well for the rangers i think the pirates should have spent the money on patterson in stead  8 the rookie batters well young has surprised me a bit with his instant impact other than that their excellent performance hasnt been too much of a surprise i think we should thank doughty for that  9 rookie pitchers worse than expected especially cooke 10 slaught how come he wasnt given a contract extension last year now his value has increased immensely  11 lonnie smith well eric davis was signed for a comparable amount lets see eric can hit better he can run better he can field better now why didnt the pirates go after eric davis an injured davis is better than a healthy lonnie smith even if lonnnie smith gets some big hits this year he wont be an asset he has looked terrible on the bases and in the field  12 management big big zero sauer has yet to make a forceful agreement in favor of revenue sharing he seems more concerned about pleasing that idiot danforth by preparing the team for a move to tampa bay 13 alex cole fiasco the pirates infield and cf positions look good the rf and lf would have looked good if we could have gotten cole to replace two of the four outfielders eric davis van slyke and cole would have made a very respectable outfield even without eric davis thye pirates would have a respectable outfield with cole svan slyke and merced i think he should hit left handed against lefts in stead of switch hitting simmons did have options for the outfield ironically the biggest accomplishment of simmons tenure was getting alex cole really cheap too bad  14 compensatory draft picks for bonds forget it the pirates can rant and rave they will not get those picks as of now the issue is still being appealed now if this doesnt convince anyone that simmons and sauer are idiots nothing else will  on a final note tim wakefield wont be as awful as he was in his last 2 starts but dont count on him pitching like last year for the rest of the season also if the pirates are in contention towards rthe end of the season they will miss reduss clutch hitting and his speed he has peaked in the second half of the last 2 seasons   pravin ratnam 
cars re what car is this  deloreans never had a factory v8 they were considering production with a turbo or twin turbo i forget version of the standard v6 as to who produced it you got me  jonathan  jdrout scott skidmore edu 
medicine re barbecued foods and health risk in article c5sqv8 edb acsu buffalo edu sfegus ubvm cc buffalo edu wrote in article 79857 cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes an odd exception to the rule seems to be the product known as gumbo file this is nothing more than coarsely ground dried sassafras leaves this is not only a natural product but a natural product still in its natural form so maybe thats how they evade delany or maybe a special exemption was made to appease powerful louisiana democrats  one possible reason is that file is made with sassafras leaves while root beer was made with sassafras bark or root bark the leaves contain either no or less saffrole than the bark  there is also some sort of treatment which putatively removes saffrole from sassafras products i have some concentrated sassafras tea extract which is claimed to have the saffrole removed  i think what we have to keep in mind is that even though it may be illegal to commercially produce sell food with carcinogenic substances it is not illegal for people to do such to their own food smoking etc is this true  well the last time that i went to the store to buy sassafras bark to make root beer there was a sign saying that it wasnt sold for human consumption also when i asked the person if they had wild cherry bark and wintergreen bark she made a point of telling me that i couldnt buy sassafras for human consumption  i find the fact that some people reckless enough to step into an automobile live in fear of dropping dead because of a pork rib quite funny in a sick way  eric pepke internet pepke gw scri fsu edu supercomputer computations research institute mfenet pepke fsu florida state university span scri pepke tallahassee fl 32306 4052 bitnet pepke fsu  disclaimer my employers seldom even listen to my opinions meta disclaimer any society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers 
guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news in article c4tshu ew6 magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes thats all very well and good but i was refering to all homocides not just ones involving handguns what is this fixation on death by shooting as if it were somehow worse than death by stabbing  what relevance are all homicides in this debate the issue is guns not baseball bats  no the issue is reducing crime not guns if gun control doesnt lower crime overall then is doesnt address the issue  even a simpleton knows that he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat  does that matter if assaults with a baseball bat become much more common muggers using a gun rely primarily on the threat of the gun and rarely shoot their victim a mugger using a knife is much more likely to start by stabbing his victim in an effort incapacitate him so while a knif may not be as deadly as a gun criminals are more likely to actually use the knife as opposed to threatening the victim with it it isnt at all clear that replacing the criminals gun with a knife would reduce murders stabbings might just become more common thats why it is important to look at the overall not the with gun homicide rate it avoids the issue of substitution different criminal techinques of using different weapons etc and measures what we want to prevent murders  as for knives see my earlier post id much rather face a knife than a gun thanks  face possibly however facing knife welding attackers isnt too common stabbing without warning and by supprise is the usual tactic very few criminals shoot from cover it attracts to much attention and they dont have a chance to go through your pockets overall id much rather be threatened with a gun than actually stabbed with a knife  fortunately the best defense against a knife isnt another knife anyone trained in unarmed self defense wont have much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife assault which probably means 99 9 of knife assailants  actually the exact same statement is true of guns training in unarmed self defence will let you disarm an untrained gunman without much problem  you also ignore the criminals reaction the national crime survey clearly shows that criminals unarmed armed with a knife gun or whatever are unwilling to risk their lives in a confrontation if faced with a serious threat almost all prefer to leave and find an easier target therefore using or threatening to use as is much more commonly the case a weapon is the best defence against an attacker regardless of how he is armed knives however are much less effective than guns criminals dont consider knifes as a serious threat nearly as often as they do guns  frank crary cu boulder  
baseball re surgery for hal morris and then cjkuo symantec com jimmy kuo quoth does it strike anyone else how silly it is to impose a 3 game suspension on morris  lets see i expect to be back june 15th how many games do we play before june 15th take me off the dl 3 games before june 15th  it would be a lot more meaningful if the suspension went into effect some number of games after he came back  well either way the reds have to play a man down for 3 days   jason lee jplee oboe calpoly edu jlee cash busfac calpoly edu giants e i pi 1 0 the most beautiful equation in mathematics magic for all sad words of tongue and pen the saddest are these number it might have been john greenleaf whittier 153 
medicine re food related seizures sharon paulson paulson tab00 larc nasa gov wrote  much deleted   the fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made by kellogs makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to something in the coating or the cereals of the four of us in our immediate family kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever running nose itchy eyes etc but we have a lot of allergies in our family history including some weird food allergies nuts mushrooms   many of these cereals are corn based after your post i looked in the literature and located two articles that implicated corn contains tryptophan and seizures the idea is that corn in the diet might potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder not cause it check to see if the two kellog cereals are corn based id be interested  david ozonoff md mph boston university school of public health dozonoff med itvax1 bu edu 80 east concord st t3c 617 638 4620 boston ma 02118 
baseball re hbp bb big cat in article mjones 735411536 fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes  it would help if his obp were higher than his batting average yes the april 12 usa today lists le grand chapeau as having a 422 batting average and a 413 obp  okay ill bite how can obp be lower than batting average sac flies or something  ken kubey kubey wpd sgi com 415 390 3536 
guns re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm 0 90 2 735386976 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes i dont remember the figures exactly but there were about 3500 deaths in texas in 1991 that was caused by guns this is more than those beeing killed in car accidents yes there could be that low sentences or high poverty could influence the figures but theyre still pretty high right i also believe texas has some of the most liberal gun laws in usa  and youd be wrong about that too  note that texas isnt unique in this more with gun deaths than with car deaths but some of the other states where it happens have extremely strict gun laws oops so much for the meaning  it isnt clear that the comparision means anything anyway as car accidents are unintentional while gun deaths arent but if were going to make it lets at least be honest  i should not suffer because of others we all agree on this one but we also live in a sociaty and therefor well have to give up some of our freedom note the  give it up for what gun control doesnt have any benefits so it fails by this standard  do you have an insurance then youll have to pay because of what others do  note that insurance gives me something in return gun control doesnt  what the hell is he trying to say when you live in a society usa are stilll counted as one you have to saccrifice the question is how much  thats half the question the rest is and what do you get for your sacrifice if the answer to the second question is nothing as it is for gun control then we dont have to ask the first question because getting nothing means that no sacrifice is justified  andy  
cars re warning please read in article 1qh336innfl5 cs utk edu larose austin cs utk edu brian larose writes this just a warning to everybody on the net watch out for folks standing next to the road or on overpasses they can cause serious harm to you and your car  just a cliff notes version of my story follows  10pm last night i was travelling on the interstate here in knoxville i was taking an offramp exit to another interstate and my wife suddenly screamed and something large hit the side of my truck we slowed down but after looking back to see the vandals standing there we drove on to the police station  she did get a good look at the guy and saw him cock his arm with something the size of a cinderblock but i never saw him we are very lucky the truck sits up high on the road if it would have hit her window it would have killed her  the police are looking for the guy but in all likelyhood he is gone stuff deleted  i am sorry to report that in southern california it was a sick sport for a while to drop concrete blocks from the overpasses onto the freeway several persons were killed when said blocks came through their windshields many overpass bridges are now fenced and they have made it illegal to loiter on such bridges as if that would stop such people yet many bridges are not fenced i always look up at a bridge while i still have time to take evasive action even though this sport has not reached us here in fresno  greg lewis csufresno edu photojournalism sequence department of journalism csu fresno fresno ca 93740 
religion federal hearing  fact or rumor madalyn murray ohare an atheist who eliminated the use of the bible reading and prayer in public schools 15 years ago is now going to appear before the fcc with a petition to stop the reading of the gospel on the airways of america and she is also campaigning to remove christmas programs songs etc from the public schools if it is true then mail to federal communications commission 1919 h street washington dc 20054 expressing your opposition to her request reference petition number  2493 
religion re spreading christianity re christian extremist kills doctor in article yfk8p q00wbm47t0sj andrew cmu edu david r sacco dsav andrew cmu edu writes not to be too snide about it but i think this christianity must be a very convenient religion very maliable and suitable for any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and reinterpret the bits that dont match with ones desires it is in fact so convenient that were i capable of believing in a god i might consider going for some brand of christianity the only difficulty left then of course is picking which sect to join there are just so many  yes christianity is convenient following the teachings of jesus christ and the ten commandments is convenient trying to love in a hateful world is convenient turning the other cheek is convenient so convenient that it is burdensome at times  your last remark is a contradiction but ill let that pass  i was addressing the notion of the great commission which you deleted in order to provide us with dull little homilies thank you bing crosby now you go right on back to sleep and mommy and daddy will tuck you in later  oh and how convenient his bible must have been to michael griffin how convenient his christianity well ill just skip the bit about not murdering people and loving the sinner and hating the sin and all that other stuff for now and concentrate on the part where it says that if someone is doing something wrong you should shoot him in the back several times as he tries to hobble away on his crutches  ill leave the convert or die program of the missionaries and their military escorts in the americas for nadja to explain as she knows much more about it than i  must be awfully convenient by the way to offer platitudes as you have done david rather than addressing the arguments  dean kaflowitz  
windows re windows speaker sound driver in article c5req8 eq2 unix portal com claebaur shell portal com tony s annese writes in article 1993apr19 235430 6097 mnemosyne cs du edu alee mnemosyne cs du edu alec lee writes is there an ftp site where i can get the ms speaker sound driver theres a sound exe file that claims to be the driver but im suspicious since its not a drv file  thats the file   to clarify a little more sound exe is a self expanding archive which contains the driver which is actually called speaker drv i think  ray  
medicine re chromium for weight loss in article 93119 141946u18183 uicvm uic edu u18183 uicvm uic edu writes there is no data to show chromium is effective in promoting weight loss the few studies that have been done using chromium have been very flawed and inher ently biased the investigators were making money from marketing it theoretically it really doesnt make sense either the claim is that chromium will increase muscle mass and decrease fat of course chromium is also used t o cure diabetes high blood pressure and increase muscle mass in athletes just as well as anabolic steroids sounds like snake oil for the 1990s    where are your references i have been unable to find studies that state that chromium cures diabetese it can reduce the amount of insulin you have to take high blood pressure i have never heard of this claim before anabolic steroids i have also never heard of this claim before sounds like you are making things up and stretching the truth for god knows what reason did somebody piss you off at one time    on the other hand it really cant hurt you anywhere but your wallet and place bo effects of anything can be pretty dramatic    i agree with you that chromium picolinate by itself isnt likely to make a fat person thin but it can be the decisive component of an overall strategy for long term weight control and make an important contribution to good health it is important to exercise 11 12 and also avoid fat calories 9 10  chromium picolinate has shown to reduce fat and increase lean muscle 1 2 3 i will not bore you with the statistics you wouldnt believe these anyway  chromium picolinate is an exceptionally bioactive source of the essential mineral chromium chromium plays a vital role in sensitizing the bodys tissues to the hormone insulin weight gain in the form of fat tends to impair sensitivity to insulin and thus in turn makes it harder to lose weight 4  insulin directly stimulates protein synthesis and retards protein breakdown in muscles 5 6 this protein sparing effect of insulin tends to decline during low calorie diets as insulin levels decline which results in loss of muscle and organ tissue by sensitizing muscle to insulin chromium picolinate helps to preserve muscle in dieters so that they burn more fat and less muscle preservation of lean body mass has an important long term positive effect on metabolic rate helping dieters keep off the fat theyve lost  chromium picolinate promotes efficient metabolism by aiding the thermogenic heat producing effects of insulin insulin levels serve as a rough index of the availability of food calories so its not at all surprising that insulin stimulates metabolism 4 7 8 note that i did not say that chromium picolinate increases metabolism  in summary you need to change your life style in order to loose weight and stay healthy  a reduce dietary fat consumption to no more than 20 of calories eating fat makes you fat  b increase dietary fiber low in calories high in nutrients  c get regular aerobic exercise at least 3 times a week burn calories  d take chromium picolinate daily lose fat keep muscle   references  1 kaats gr fisher ja blum k abstract american aging association 21st annual meeting denver october 1991 2 evans gw int j biosoc med res 1989 11 163 180 3 page tg ward tl southern ll j animal sci 69 suppl 1 abstract 403 1991 4 felig p clin physiol 1984 4 267 273 5 kimball sr jefferson ls diabetes metab rev 4 773 1988 6 fukugawa nk minaher kl rowe jw et al j clin invest 76 2306 1985 7 fehlmann m freychet p biol chem 256 7449 1981 8 pittman cs suda ak chambers jb jr ray gy metabolism 28 333 1979 9 danforth e jr am j clin nutr 41 1132 1985 10 mccarty mf med hypoth 20 183 1986 11 bielinski r schutz y jequier e am j clin nutr 42 69 1985 12 young jc treadway jl balon tw garvas hp ruderman nb metabolism 35 1048 1986   best regards michael vincze mav asd470 dseg ti com  
guns new hampshire and maine non resident carry permit application  for those who live near or plan to vacation in new hampshire and maine i am posting the basic info of how to apply for a ltc ccw in those states for non residents  post will be in rec guns j case kim kim39 husc harvard edu  
baseball re rickey henderson in article 1993apr6 155118 5779 ra msstate edu js1 isis msstate edu jiann ming su writes in article ls1d6vinns65 appserv eng sun com str maredsous eng sun com todd rader writes stay in school you have a lot to learn  learn what i know that 3 million dollars is a lot of money i know rickey henderson doesnt have a career out of baseball i know if he didnt have baseball he wouldnt be making near the money he is now   and michael jackson jack nicholson and bill cosby wouldnt be making near as much money if they werent entertainers so whats your point  i just dont understand how some athlete who only plays a sport for a living for millions of dollars say he is not being paid enough  if nobody will sign him for his asking price he will be the one hurting the as will still win without him  will they you cant usually take away one of the teams best players and still expect them to win or do you think the pirates will continue to win without barry bonds   remeber many of these athletes have nothing if not for their athletic ability nothing they are getting paid much more than most hard working citizens and they are complaining of not enough pay  so again jack nicholson gets paid much more than most hard working citizens and much more than rickey henderson for that matter   i dont have a problem with them making millions my problem is when the say they arent being paid enough when they already get 3 million also their numbers get worse  the reason the latter often happens is that many of these folks start making the real big salaries late in their career when they are on the decline there are exceptions of course dave parker fell apart after making his first million because he put most of that million up his nose   jim mann stratus computer jmann vineland pubs stratus com 
baseball re jack morris in 1993apr20 142325 1 stsci edu sandoval stsci edu writes  ok roger heres a question for you say you are running an expansion team you dont have a team at the moment but the draft is coming up who are you going to pick guys who have won the most ws rings or guys who could contribute the most to your team say the reds were dumb enough to not protect larkin and the jays didnt protect alfredo who would you pick  for an expansion team im pretty sure i would go with the rings as long as their salaries and ages werent too high i would want the fans to be able to identify the players i would like a championship attitude in the clubhouse  as for larkin and griffin salaries aside i would have to consider which player is likeliest to contribute to a ws victory past performance age and attitude would all be integral to my decision i certainly wouldnt just haul out my copy of gillete and pick larkin as many others would and unlike many others who post to this group i hardly consider myself quali fied to make those kinds of decisions  i cant believe im getting involved in this  i have never been able to believe it about myself to tell you the truth its like banging your head against a stone wall    cordially as always maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time 
baseball re bases loaded walk gives reds win in 12 in article 1993apr23 120044 15627 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article mssc5xb3i 2cg netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes  sigh here we go again  actually several scdns stated that there were no definable skills that would make a hitter more likely to perform better in clutch situations vs non clutch situations however one might choose to define clutch  right can you define such a skill  must i if i were to say that batting average is a predictor that can be used to judge which of two hitters is more likely to get a hit on a particular plate appearance is that only valid if i can define the skill in hitting a baseball thats all ive said except i used the smaller sample of batting average in clutch situations  and elsewhere on this thread sherri nichols repeats her position that batting average in clutch situations is a meaningless statistic  for predicting the future it has been entirely meaningless at least if it has meaning we dont know how to find it  i did not say i could predict the future ive suggested that the statistic is not necessarily meaningless heres the data for this situation  non clutch clutch ab h ba ab h ba  sabo 1539 452 294 259 59 228 samuel 1564 383 245 278 83 299   if you were to have been the reds manager at that time i assume you would have had some basis for letting sabo hit rather than pinch hitting samuel im sure some of that basis would have utilized prior performance you just wouldnt have used this particular aspect of prior performance is this not correct   ill try to avoid being insulting but its difficult when you so cavalierly dismiss hundreds of hours of work with an i dont pretend to understand but  nobody is denying that there are people who have hit well in the clutch in the past but i challenge you to find a method to predict who will hit well in the clutch in the future which after all is what you are claiming you can do since   one more time i did not claim to be able to predict the future i said that i accept the above data as an indication that samuel would have had a better chance for success in that situation than sabo  and i am not dismissing your work im stating my opinion you are saying that your work renders any opinion to the contrary invalid so that the retention of that opinion is some kind of insult to your work   fine we have plenty of data obviously our preconceived biases must be coloring our work since you know clutch hitting is a well defined and consistent skill all of our failures not withstanding so i challenge you to prove it i guarantee you that if you can prove the existance of some form of clutch ability you will have plenty of happy sdcns dancing around you  i did not say that clutch hitting is well defined  i said that the data is significant to me  i did not say that it is a consistent skill  i have said that it is an indicator of performance under a certain set of circumstances   but you arent going to win any support by merely stating a position and claiming they are stupid so i must be right   and big sigh   i have not not not not not not not ever called you or anyone else on r s b stupid   it is nice however to see that you will consider the possibility that you actually could have some preconceived biases   yeah hindsight is always 20 20 doesnt that make you bright this is a stupid argument and you know it  ah i knew we could get to the name calling and theres that word you like so much   a suggestion take data from 1990 1991 and attempt to come up with some method that predicts who hit well in the clutch in 1992 if that works we can then attempt to apply it to 1993 and beyond  wait a minute i thought i first had to define clutch hitting do i or dont i  you have made strong statements now back them up or be proven a total idiot  i made two statements in my post  1 i am not convinced of your conclusions regarding clutch hitting  2 i would have hit for sabo   as for 2 many of us make a number of written statements through this media about what we think will happen in baseball im not shy about it ill make the statement again i believe that by seasons end that chris sabos batting average in clutch situations will be significantly lower than his batting average in non clutch situations i cant prove that it will happen so i guess well just have to wait and see    heres another one for you in 1989 1991 joe carters batting average in clutch situations was significantly below his batting average in non clutch situations each year i presume you think this is random  non clutch 1585 ab 411 h 259 clutch 338 ab 68 h 201  so what could we expect in 1992 from mr carter  well his composite ba through 1989 was 268 through 1990 was 262 through 1991 was 263 so i think we have a pretty good idea of what kind of batting average he can produce in 1992 he hit 264 not surprising huh also in 1992  non clutch 536 ab 144 h 269 clutch 86 ab 20 h 233  no this doesnt prove any overall statistical trend that can be used to predict future performance across the breadth of major league ballplayers it just makes me think that in 1993 joe carters batting average in the clutch is not going to be as high as his ba in non clutch situations   as for 1 above i have plenty of company john dewan of stats inc is the editor of the scouting report wherein the statistics regarding clutch hitting are compiled reported and referenced in the text bill james makes numerous references to a players ability to hit well in the clutch i am not saying that i can predict the future any more than they are you and others are saying that your work renders their statements and mine meaningless i dont accept that which in your words proves that i am a total idiot   stupid total idiot  my my such hostility    the beastmaster   mark singer mss netcom com 
cars re the 1994 mustang you know im a ford fan i must say so im looking forward to the next mustang i have faith that it will be a fine product more desireable than the camaro is now you know thats mho  true thats your opinion  they beat ford to the market with the camaro firebird but really only in words production of these vehicles will be limited until the end of the year keeping selling prices above msrp for the most part since there are so many twitching camaro fans out there i wouldnt press ford to hurry the mustang since the final wait could be worth it besides no bow tie fanatic is gonna buy the mustang anyway  true again i wouldnt take a free mustang honest  the next mustang will be fords highest profile car it attracts way more attention than the camaro firebird because its heritage is more embedded in the general public dont lie to yourself and believe ford will forfeit that  fyi they already did too bad that the current mustang cant even compete with the new camaro without using an active imagination right now few cars can compare with the 93 camaro think about it 20 000 for a car that will out perform all but a few exotics if you are now swearing at me look at the stats they dont lie there are no comparable cars in its class certinaly not for its price  you know intelligent critical spews like the mustang bites man some of you are already beginning i predict that the mustang and camaro will be comparable performers as usual  i also agree this subject is one that will never be setteled except maybe at the track  unless the ford gets the 32v 300hp romeo you dont seriously believe that it was designed for the mark viii only do you  hey can you imagine the potential of a modified lt 1 folks in a few years we will surpass the levels of performance achieved in the late 60s thats scary  you ford vs chevy people must live in the planet of detroit or droid  like they say in the airforce with enough horsepower anything will fly  i can put a 32valve v 8 with twin garret 4s on yugo and get 7 7sec qm thats useless its still a yugo that will loose any race on a track or on the street  have you detroit beings compared the ultra long throw stick shifts of the 5 0 with the 93 mr2 turbo or 93 rx7 i ll buy it in 6 mos  or the torsen differential of the rx7 compared to the differential of the 5 0 that sounds in every hairpin turn  and bythe way 5 0 and camaro both have drums on the rear breaks hello this is the 90 s  vlasis theodore software engineer  just say no to signatures 
medicine ringing ears   a friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing the ringing is so loud that she has great difficulty sleeping at night she says that she hasnt had a normal nights sleep in about 6 months she looks like it too this is making her depressed so her doctor has put her on anti depressants  the ringing started rather suddenly about 6 months ago she is quickly losing sleep social life and sanity over this  does anyone know of any treatments for this any experience coping mechanisms any opinions on the anti depressant drugs  j f  
guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1993apr20 151131 8531 news uit no paale stud cs uit no paal ellingsen writes in article 1r0qsrinnc61 clem handheld com jim de arras writes mr roby you are a government sucking heartless bastard humans died yesterday humans who would not have died if the fbi had not taken the actions they did that is the undeniable truth  the question is for how long even if the fbi had done nothing i guess the bds would have committed suicide but maybe not until hunger and thirst gave them the choice between sucide or surrender the bds was warned in beforehand about the fbi action they had the chance to surrender and get a fair trial no matter who started the fire the bds were responsible for 80 peole dying no one else   this is of course your opinion i differ greatly there can be no doubt the fbi at least shares in the blame    paal ellingsen borgensvingen 67 102 tlf 083 50933 paale stud cs uit no 9100 kvaloeysletta data dobbelt arbeid til alle    jmd handheld com  im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 
medicine re sumatripton spelling reply to roxannen cruzio santa cruz ca u  i recently heard of some testing of a new migraine drug called sumatripton i have no idea of the actual spelling that supposedly utilizes a chemical that trips neuro transmitters my mother has regular migraines and nothing seems to help does anyone know anything about this new drug is it in a testing phaze or anywhere near approval does it seem to be working  i just got back from the american academy of neurology annual meeting where the consensus was that sumatriptan imitrex has no advantages over dhe 45 nasal spray which is much less expensive has fewer side effects is as effective and works more quickly 5 10 minutes vs 30 besides who wants to give themselves a shot sumatriptan when a nasal spray works dhe nasal spray is not widely available yet it has to be mail ordered from one of a few pharmacies in the country but most neurologists now know about it and know how to order it  david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell 
religion hail stan  i found this on the net at my college it sounds pretty good to me what do you folks think  this are the tenets of stan as handed down and set within the holy book of stan  1 thou shalt not spill thine drinks or waste thine food for all that is is sacred and to waste is the denizen of luc the infidel all who waste today shall have not tomorrow  2 thou shalt pay heed to those who know the higher calling of stan so that they may teach you the way and that thou shalt become one with stan and the universe shall be in your hands  3 thou shalt honor thy loved ones and cherish those near you for they are the true path to happiness and happiness is a devine gift of thy lord stan  4 stan is the one true god and shall be taken before all others so that the false gods will know that he is the one and all who oppose him shall forever be banished to the form of the sheep and be sent to the flocks of luc for all eternity  5 the word is the law and the law is the word the word is within thine own heart follow the path and be true to thine own self and thou shalt be blessed by stan thy lord and saviour  6 thou shalt honor the faiths of others for it is their choice to follow this path and do not think less of others for being of a different faith yet even in the face of these false gods do not waiver in thine faith in stan and hope that the unbeliever will see the light that is stan  7 thou shalt not wrong others for being different for stan cherishes the different and holds freedom in the highest regard for to do less would be to fall in with luc the infidel for stan does not control he merely guides and lets the choice lie within thine own heart  8 thou shalt know that thy lord stan has many names and is called differently by many people but know also that stan is the true name and all those of the faith shall know that stan is god and god is stan  9 thou shalt be to the world what thou art to thineself for to be false to others is to be false to yourself thy lord stan asks not that you be like him he asks only that you be like yourself for that is all you were ever meant to be  10 thou shalt not kill the innocent nor spill blood unnecessarily for those who are deserving of death shall be dealt with by stan and sent for all eternity to the flocks of luc and those who harm the children of stan being born of woman shall be judged as the sheep of luc and spend all of time within his flocks  these commandments are the words of stan heed them and he shall be happy and if thy lord stan is happy his happiness shall be passed down to his followers  hail stan  it seems like a pretty good set of tenets to me  v  i like kittens e mail robert voss die especially with rgv9488 ultb isc rit edu 25 andrews memorial dr die a side order of rgv9488 ritvax isc rit edu cpu 01479 die french fries rgv9488 ritvax bitnet rochester ny 14623 die die i am darkness eternal call me my phone number is 716 475 4197 die  
windows speedstar 24x windows enhanced mode  hi  i have a 486 66mhz sys based pc with 8m ram and a problem  what is the best way to configure high memory with qemm 386max i have a speedstar 24x video card and use hyperdisk disk cache software the problem is running windows 3 1 in enhanced mode and having any high memory to load stuff high  note i tried as recommended to exclude the region a000 c7ff but windows insists on starting in standard mode  any suggestions  dan 
cars re mr2 noisy engine in article 1r3oe8 c93 usenet ins cwru edu aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer writes nice theory too bad the mr2s never came with a four cylinder over 2 0 liters more like 1 6 or did they were the nonturbo mr2iis 2 2 or some such  foot in mouth again drew the first generation mr 2s were 1 6s which were very smooth id be real surprised if the original poster was talking about a 1st generation car the second generation cars were 2 2 for the non turbo and 2 0 for the turbo i drove the non turbo 2 2 and calling it unpleasant is to be kind to it  i also understand that anyone using balancing shafts on four cylinders must pay saab a royalty for using their patented design like porsches 3 0 i4  wrong and wrong mitsubishi owns the patent which has since expired which is why everybody with a shred of integrity is putting balance shafts into their big 4s the notable exception is nissan and only for the us market suckers i guess we need to write to c d and start telling them to publish graphs for engine vibration over rpm then youll see usenet discussions of the form engine a has peak vibrations 3 db less than engine b therefore engine a is better than engine b  1 2   eliot 
medicine re post polio syndrome information needed please dn from nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye dn briefly this is a condition in which patients who have significant dn residual weakness from childhood polio notice progression of the dn weakness as they get older one theory is that the remaining motor dn neurons have to work harder and so die sooner  if this theory were true the muscle biopsy would show group atrophy evidence of acute loss of enlarged motor units it doesnt instead the biopsy shows scattered angulated atrophic fibers this is more consistent with load shedding by chronically overworked motor neurons the neurons survive at the expense of increasingly denervated muscle  slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein  
cars re ultimate awd vehicles in article 20726 2bcd8b62 ecs umass edu sylveste ecs umass edu writes   before the s4 became the s4 it was called the 200 turbo quattro 20v this model did come in a wagon a very quick wagon very rare also  mike sylvester umass  being a satisfied audi owner 90 100 turbo quattro my 4 th audi i get the free vag magazine the latest issue presented a new s4 avant wagon with a 4 2 litre v8 id like one of these  btw this is my second quattro and my third turbo and i must say that even in the summer with dry roads the quattros give so much extra in road holding and balance that i hope i can afford them always  thomas  real life thomas t rnblom email thomas tornblom nexus comm se snail mail communicator nexus ab phone 46 18 171814 box 857 fax 46 18 696516 s 751 08 uppsala sweden 
religion re davidians and compassion in article sandvik 190493200420 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes so we have this highly christian religious order that put fire on their house killing most of the people inside  we have no way to know that the cultists burned the house it could have been the batf and fbi we only have the governments word for it after all and people who started it by a no knock search with concussion grenades are hardly disinterested observers  on the first day after christmas my truelove served to me leftover turkey on the second day after christmas my truelove served to me turkey casserole that she made from leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings pizza hut commercial and m tlu a gic bait  ken arromdee arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu 
baseball re and americas team is but why kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well officially its the braves at least up until they started winning it was are they still officially if so why and how did they receive this label  my understanding was that ted turner owner of the braves started running his tv station nationwide and started running all of his teams games on his nationwide tv station he dubbed his team americas team that is the only team at least at the time all of whose games could be seen across america  now wor is nationwide out of beautiful secaucus but not all mets games are on wor wgn chicago and wsbk boston are two other superstations at least they are on the east coast i dont know how many cubs sox sox games they show  hymie hymowitz cs jhu edu  ill be mellow when im dead weird al yankovic  you get your mellow laid back attitude from sonny the cuckoo bird josh about me  
medicine density of the skull bone could someone tell me what the density of skull bone is or direct me to a reference that contains this info i would appreciate it very much thanks  vinay     vinay j rao vrao nyx cs du edu   
guns no surrender lenda jackson no surrender delivered by lenda jackson at the rkba rally in denver april 18 1993  it is a fact of modern life that urban residents particularly women feel threatened a certain number of them actually are threatened there are immediate threats the things that women will tell you theyre afraid of the noise downstairs at night the lonely walk to the car the stranger at the door the abusive husband finally kicked out of the house as he threatens to hurt her and their children the burglar the mugger the rapist  and what are we told is the solution move get a dog keep the door locked call the police as a next to last resort learn martial arts and always theres the implied question whats a pretty little thing like you doing without a husband around to protect you  but what if you dont like dogs like living alone dont have 10 years to devote learning judo  what if after examining the facts a woman learns that rape victims using armed resistance were less likely to have the rape completed and were less likely to be injured kleck 124 than those using any other form of resistance kleck 126 also true for robbery assault kleck 123  what if to our horror and despair we find that citizens cannot depend on the police for effective protection they usually respond after a crime has been committed in truth the supreme court has held that the police are not responsible for protecting any individual only the whole community  as a society are we going to ask women once again to sacrifice themselves are we going to continue to deny women the ability to help themselves  heres a thought neil smith in his book the probability broach says no 220 pound thug can threaten the well being or dignity of a 110 pound woman who has two pounds of iron to even things out but if a woman decides to protect herself with the easiest most efficient means possible people especially other women are horrified eughh how could you id be terrified they ask how could you hurt someone theyll repeat the lie itll just get taken away from you in truth 1 of defensive gun uses result in the offender taking the gun away from the victim 122 kleck  well despite the lies and the social pressure some of us have already made that hard choice weve decided that we are not going to be victimized by the muggers burglars or rapists were buying more guns than every before were learning how to use them and teaching others women and men how to use them most importantly we are preparing ourselves mentally to use our firearms for our own defense were taking our own security literally into our own hands were going to stop begging and pleading and marching and what we intend is to really take back the night  but theres another threat more insatiable than any mugger more secretive than any burglar more soul destroying than any rapist  that menace is government and it threatens us all we know that governments throughout time have suppressed rights and oppressed people its the way they survive  in our names and with our money it interferes with innocent people both at home and abroad it lies to us cheats us steals from us and threatens us with violence no one knows exactly what itll do next what freedom we will lose because some government goon decides its for your own safety or we know best any person who acted like government does would be psychoanalyzed within an inch of his life and locked up as a habitual offender  but this monster called government persists and grows and we who should be its masters have become its unwilling slaves do you doubt me then why did you file your income tax  like any reasonable person i believe that being afraid of something that can hurt you is smart and that paranoia isnt crazy if someones really after you and make no mistake theyre after you and theyre after me their names are familiar brady and reynolds groff metzenbahm moynihan and clinton if were lucky theyll settle for our assault rifles our shotguns our handguns and our ammunition  as citizens we have only two choices they are the same two choices given to women to surrender or to fight  surrender leads to the gulag to the genocide of pol pot to the disappearances to dachau i do not intend to surrender  a battle can be philosophical or political in the main the people keep the government honest by threatening to vote it out of office but if they have to they will keep in mind the words of thomas jefferson the tree of liberty must be well watered with the blood of patriots  as a patriot i will point out the error in the governments ways i will do my best to vote the villains out of office i will protest and write and speak and teach our children justice honor and truth and always remember that rebellion can lead to bunker hill and saratoga or it can lead to tiananmen square  when the time comes to stand up if i have to give my life to keep them from going too far if there is a tiananmen square in our future i intend to be there and no matter what lies they tell and no matter what laws they pass i intend to meet them with something more substantial in my hand than a brick  my opinions are of course my own  
medicine great post was re candida yeast bloom very long  great post martin very informative well balanced and humanitarian without neglecting the need for scientific rigor   cross posted to alt psychology personality since some personality typing will be discussed at the beginning note ive set all followups to sci med since most of my comments are more sci med oriented and im sure most of the replies if any will be med related   in article banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes  i can not believe the way this thread on candida yeast has progressed steve dyer and i have been exchanging words over the same topic in sci med nutrition when he displayed his typical reserve and attacked a woman poster for being treated by a licenced physician for a disease that did not exist calling this physician a quack was reprehensible steve and i see that you and some of the others are doing it here as well  they are just responding in their natural way hyper choleric syndrome hcs oops that is not a recognized illness in the psychological community better not say that since it therefore must not and never will exist  actually it is fascinating that a disproportionate number of physicians will type out as nt for those not familiar with the myers briggs system just e mail me and ill send a summary file to you in the general population nts comprise only about 12 of the population but among physicians it is much much higher i dont know the exact percentage any help here a p p ers  one driving characteristic of an nt especially an ntj is their obvious choleric behavior driver type a etc the extreme emotional need to control to lead and or to be the best or the most competent if they are also extroverted they are best described as field marshalls this trait is very valuable and essential in our society we need people who want to lead to strive to overcome the elements to seek and thirst for knowledge to raise the level of competency etc the great successes in science and technology are in large part due to the vision an n trait and scientifically minded approach t trait of the nt personality of course the other types and temperaments have their own positive contributions as well however when the nt person has self image challenges the dark side of this personality type usually comes out which should be obvious to all  a physician who is a strong nt and who has not learned to temper their temperament will be extremely business like lack of empathy or feeling and is very compelled to have total control over their patient the patient must be obedient to their diagnosis and prescription without question ive known many m d s of this temperament and suffice to say i dont oblige them with a followup visit no matter how competent i think they are and they usually are very competent from a knowledge viewpoint since that is an extreme drive of theirs to know the most to know it all  maybe we need more nf doctors  enough on this subject lets move on to candida bloom   let me tell you who the quacks really are these are the physicans who have no idea how the human body interacts with its environment and how that balance can be altered by diet and antibiotics could it just be professional jealousy i couldnt help elaine or jon but somebody else did  youve helped me already by your post of course i believe that i have been misdiagnosed on the net as suffering from anal retentivitis but being the phlegmatic i am maybe i was just a little too harsh on a few people myself in past posts lets all try to raise the level of this discussion above the level of anal effluent   humans have all kinds of different organisms living in the gi system mouth stomach small and large intestine sinuses vagina and on the skin these are nonpathogenic because they do not cause disease in people unless the immune system is compromised they are also called nonpathogens because unlike the pathogenic organisms that cause human disease they do not produce toxins as they live out their merry existence in and on our body but any of these organisms will be considered pathogenic if it manages to take up residence within the body a poor mucus membrane barrier can let this happen and vitamin a is mainly responsible for setting up this barrier  in my well described situation in prior posts i definitely was immune stressed blood tests showed my vitamin a levels were very low my sinuses were a mess no doubt the mucosal lining and the cilia were heavily damaged i also was on antibiotics 15 times in 4 years in the end even two weeks of ceftin did not work and i had confirmed diagnoses of a chronic bacterial infection of the sinuses via cat scans mucus color wont get into the details and other symptoms three very traditional ents made this diagnosis i did not have any cultures done however because of the difficulty of doing this right and because my other symptoms clearly showed a bacterial infection enough of this background provided to help you understand where i was when i make comments about my sporanox anti fungal therapy below   the first question i have is this can fungus penetrate a little way into poor mucus membrane tissue maybe via hyphae thus causing symptoms without being considered systemic in the classic sense it is sort of an inbetween infection   steve got real upset with elaines doctor because he was using anti fungals and vitamin a for her gi problems if steve really understoood what vitamin a does in the body he would not or at least should not be calling elaines doctor a quack  i was concerned too because of the toxicity of vitamin a my doctor after my blood tests put me on 75 000 iu of vitamin a for one week only then dropped it down to 25 000 iu for the next couple of weeks i also received zinc and other supplementation since all of these interrelate in fairly complex ways as my doctor explained hes one of those evil orthomolecular specialists i had a blood test three weeks later and vitamin a was normal he then stopped me on all vitamin a except for some in a multi vitamin supplement and made sure that i maintain a 50 000 iu day of beta carotene call me carrot face  hopefully elaines doctor will take a similar careful approach and to all supplements im even reevaluating some supplements im taking for example niacin in fairly large dosages 1 gram day which steve dyer had good information about on sci med nutrition if niacin only has second order improvement in symptomatic relief of my sinus allergies then it probably is not worth taking such a large dose long term and risking liver damage   survives if it gets access to a lot of glucose it blooms and over rides the other organisms living with it in the sinuses gi tract or vagina in  though i do now believe based on my successful therapy with sporanox that i definitely had some excessive growth of fungus unknown species in my sinuses i still want to ask the question have there been any studies that demonstrate candida blooms in the sinuses with associated sinus irritation sinusitis rhinitis my sinus irritation reduced significantly after one week of sporanox and no other new treatments were implemented during this time i did not have any noticeable gi track problems before starting on sporanox but some for a few days after which then went away considered normal  btw my doctor dug out one of his medical reference books sorry cant remember which one and found an obscure comment dating back into the 1950s which stated that people can develop contained non lethal or non serious aspergillis infestations aspergiliosis of the sinuses leading to sinus inflammation symptoms ill have to dig out that reference again since it is relevant to this discussion   some people do really develop a bad inflammatory process at the mucus membrane or skin bloom site whether this is an allergic like reaction to the candida or not isnt certain  my doctor tested me i believe a rast or rast similar test for allergic response to specificially candida albicans and i showed a strong positive another question would everybody show the same strong positive so this test is essentially useless and assuming it is true that candida can grow part way into the mucus membrane tissue and the concentration exceeds a threshold amount could not a person who tests as having an allergy to candida definitely develop allergic symptoms such as mucus membrane irritation due to the bodys allergic response as i said in an earlier post one does not need to be a rocket scientist or have a m d degree or a ph d in biochemistry to see the plausibility of this hypothesis  btw and ill repost this again dr ivker in his book sinus survival has routinely given before anything else nizoral a pre sporanox systemic anti fungal not as safe and not as good as sporanox to his new chronic sinusitis patients if they have been on antibiotics four or more times in the last two years he claims that out of 2000 or so patients well over 90 notice some relief of sinus inflammation and other symptoms but it doesnt cure it by any means implying the so called yeast fungus infection is not the primary cause but a later complication hes also found that nystatin whether taken internally or put into a sinus spray does not help  this implies of course assuming that excessive yeast fungus bloom is aggravating the sinus inflammation that the yeast fungus has grown partway into the tissue since nystatin will not kill yeast fungus other than by direct contact it is not absorbed into the blood stream again i admit lots of ifs and implies which doesnt please the hard core nt who has to have the double blind study or its a non issue but one has to start with some plausible hypothesis explanation a strawman if you will   if its internal only symptoms can be used and these symptoms are pretty nondescript  this brings up an interesting observation used by those who will deny and reject any and all aspects of the yeast hypothesis until the appropriate studies are done and that is if you cant observe or culture the yeast bloom in the gut or sinus then theres no way to diagnose or even recognize the disease and i know they realize that it is virtually impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body that cannot be easily observed since candida is everywhere in the body  its a real catch 22  another catch 22 those who totally reject the yeast hypothesis say that no studies have been done actually studies have been done but if its not up to a certain standard then it is from their perspective a non study which should not even be considered i agree that the appropriate studies should be done and that will take big to do it right however in order to convince the funding agencies in these austere times to open their wallets you literally have to give them evidence and the only acceptable evidence to compete with other proposals is paradoxically to do almost the exact study needed funding that is you have to do 90 of the study before you even get funding as a scientist at a national lab im very aware of this for the smaller funded projects im afraid that even if dr ivker and 100 other doctors got together pooled their practices case histories and anecdotes into a compelling picture and approach the funding agencies they would get nowhere even if they were able to publish their statistical results  it is obvious from the comments by some of the doctors here is that they have decided excessive yeast colonization in the gut or sinuses leading to noticeable non lethal symptoms does not exist and is not even a tenable hypothesis so any amount of case histories or compiled anecdotal evidence to the contrary will never change their mind and not only that they would also oppose the needed studies because in their minds its a done issue excessive yeast growth leading to diffuse allergic symptoms does not will not and cannot exist period kind of tough to dialog with those who hold such a viewpoint kind of reminds me of lister   candida is kept in check in most people by the normal bacterial flora in the sinuses the gi tract mouth stomach and intestines and in the vaginal tract which compete with it for food the human immune system ususally does not bother itself with these nonpathogenic organisms unless they broach the mucus membrane barrier if they do an inflammatory response will be set up most americans are not getting enough vitamin a from their diets about 30 of all americans die with less vitamin a than they were born with u s autopsy studies while this low level of vitamin a does not cause pathology blindness it does impair the mucus membrane barrier system this would then be a predisposing factor for a strong inflammatory response after a candida bloom  arent there also other nutrients necessary to the proper working of the sinus mucus membranes and cilia   while diabetics can suffer from a candida bloom the most common cause of this type of bloom is the use of broad spectrum antibiotics which knock down many different kinds of bacteria in the body and remove the main competition for candida as far as food is concerned while drugs are available to handle candida many patients find that their doctor will not use them unless there is evidence of a systemic infection the toxicity of the anti fungal drugs does warrant some caution but if the gi or sinus inflammation is suspected to be candida and recent use of a broad spectrum antibiotic is the smoking gun then anti fungal use should be approrpriate just as the anti fungal creams are an appropriate treatment for recurring vaginal yeast infections in spite of what mr steve dyer says  again the evidence from mycological studies indicate that many yeast fungus species can grow hyphae roots into deep tissue similar to mold growing in bread you can continue to kill the surface such as nystatin does but you cant kill that which is deeper in the tissue without using a systemic anti fungal such as itraconazole sporanox or some of the older ones such as nizoral which are more toxic and not as effective this is why as has been pointed out by recent studies sent to me by a doctor ive been in e mail contact with thanks that nystatin is not effective in the long term treatment of gi tract candidiasis its like trying to weed a garden by cutting off whats above the ground but leaving the roots ready to come out again once you walk away  the 60000 question is whether a contained candida bloom can partially grow into tissue through the mucus membranes causing some types of symptoms in susceptible people e g allergy without becoming systemic in the classical sense of the word something in between strictly an excessive bloom not causing any problems and the full blown systemic infection that is potentially lethal   in the gi system the ano rectal region seems to be a particularly good reservoir for candida and the use of pantyhose by many women creates a very favorable environment around the rectum for transfer through moisture and humidity of candida to the vaginal tract one of the most effctive ways to minimmize this transfer is to wear undyed cotton underwear  also if one is an anal retentive like ive been diagnosed in a prior post that can also provide more sites for excessive candida growth   if the bloom occurs in the anal area the burning swelling pain and even blood discharge make many patients think that they have hemorroids if the bloom manages to move further up the gi tract very diffuse symptomatology occurs abdominal discomfort and blood in the stool this positive stool for occult blood is what sent elaine to her family doctor in the first place after extensive testing he told her that there was nothing wrong but her gut still hurt on to another doctor and so on richard kaplan has told me throiugh e mail that he considers occult blood tests in stool specimens to be a waste of time and money because of the very large number of false positives candida blooms guys if my gut hurt me on a constant basis i would want it fixed yes its nice to know that i dont have colon cancer but what then is causing my distress when i finally find a doctor who treats me and gets me 90 better steve dyer calls him a quack  as ive said in private e mail there are flaws in our current medical system that make it difficult or even impossible for a physician to attempt alternative therapies after the approved proven accepted therapies dont work for example i went to three ents who all said that i will just have to live with my acute chronic sinusitis after the abs failed they did mention surgery to open up the ostia but my ostia werent plugged and it would not get to the root cause of my condition after three months of aggressive and fairly non standard therapy sporanox body nutrient level monitoring and equalization vitamin c lentinen echinacea etc my health has vastly improved to where i was two years ago before my health greatly deteriorated of course skeptics would say that maybe if i did nothing i would have improved anyway but that view is stretching things quite far because of the experience of the three ents i saw who said that id just have to live with it im confident i will reach what one could call a total cure the anti fungal program i undertook was one necessary step in that direction because of my overuse of abs for the last four years note for those having sinus problems may i suggest the book by dr ivker i mention above be sure to get the revised edition   i have often wondered what an m d with chronic gi distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his patients is a non existent syndrome  dr ivker started off having chronic and severe sinus problems and his visits to several ents totally floored him when they said youll just have to live with it he spent several years trying everything standard and non standard until he was essentially cured of chronic sinusitis he now shares his approach in his book and i can honestly say that i am on the road to recovery following some parts of it his one recommendation to take a systemic anti fungal at the beginning of treatment if you have a history of anti biotic overuse has been proven to him time and time again in his own practice im sure if i commented to him of the hard core beliefs of the anti yeast hypothesis posters that he would have definite things to say such as its worked wonders for me in almost two thousand cases to put it mildly i also would not be surprised if he would say that they are the ones violating their moral obligations to help the patient  maybe those doctors who are reading this who have a practice and are confronted by a patient having symptoms that could be due to the hypothetical yeast overgrowth e g they fit some of the profiles the pro yeast people have identified should consider anti fungal therapy if all other avenues have been exhausted remember theory and practice are two different things you cannot have one without the other they are synergistic if a doctor does something non standard yet produces noticeable symptomatic relief in over a thousand of his patients shouldnt you at least sit up and take notice maybe you ought to trust what he says and begin hypothesizing why it works instead of why it shouldnt work im afraid a lot of doctors have become so enamored with scientific correctness that they are ignoring the patients they have sworn to help you have to do both both have to be balanced which we dont see from some of the posters to this group there comes a point when you just have to use a little common sense and maybe an empirical approach such as trying a good systemic anti fungal such as sporanox after having exhausted all the other avenues i was one of those who the traditional medical establishment was not able to help so i did the natural thing i went to a couple of doctors who are somewhat outside this establishment and as a result i have found significant relief  would it not be better if the traditional medical establishment can set up some kind of mechanism where any doctor without fear of being sued or having his license pulled can try experimental and unproven beyond a doubt therapies for his her patients that finally reach the point where all the accepted therapies are ineffective id like to hear a doctor tell me well ive tried all the therapies that are approved and accepted in this country and since they clearly dont work for you i now have the authority to use experimental unproven techniques that seem to have helped others i cant promise anything and there are some risks you will have to sign something saying you understand the experimental and possibly risky nature of these unproven therapies and ill have to register your case at the state board anyway if my ent had suggested this to me i wouldve jumped on this pronto instead of going to one of those doctors who for either altruistic reasons or for greed is practicing these alternative therapies with much risk to him her risk meaning losing their license and possibly to the patient such a mechanism would keep control in the more mainstream medicine and also provide valuable data that would essentially be free it also would be morally and ethically better than the current system by showing the compassion of the medical community to the patient that its doing everything it can within reason to help the patient it is the lack of such a mechanism that is leading large numbers of people to try alternative therapies some of which seem to work like my case and others of which will never work at all true quackery  i better get off my soapbox before this post reaches 500k in size   if taken orally it can also become a major bacteria in the gut through aresol sprays it has also been used to innoculate the sinus membranes but before this innoculation occurs the mucus membrane barrier system needs to be strengthened this is accomplished by vitamin a vitamin c and some of the b complex vitamins diet surveys repeatedly show that americans are not getting enough b6 and folate these are probably the segement of the population that will have the greatest problem with this non existent disorder candida blooms after antibiotic therapy  what dosage of b6 appears to be necessary to promote the healing and proper working of the mucos memebranes   some of the above material was obtained from natural healing by mark bricklin published by rodale press as well as notes from my human nutrition course i will be posting a discussion of vitamin a sometime in the future along with reference citings to point out the extremely important role that vitamin a plays in the mucus membrane defense system in the body and why vitamin a should be effective in dealing with candida blooms another effective dietary treatment is to restrict carbohydrate intake during the treatment phase this is especially important if the gi system is involved if candida can not get glucose its not going to out grow the bacteria and you then give bacteria which can use amino acids and fatty acids for energy a chance to take over and keep the candida in check once carbohydrate is returned to the gut  id like to see the role of complex carbohydrates such as starch   if steve and some of the other nay sayers want to jump all over this post fine i jumped all over steve in sci med nutrition because he verbably accosted a poster who was seeking advice about her doctors use of vitamin a and anti fungals for a candida bloom in her gut people seeking advice from newsnet should not be treated this way those of us giving of our time and knowledge can slug it out to our hearts content if you saved your venom for me steve and left the helpless posters who are timidly seeking help alone i wouldnt have a problem with your behavior  brave soul you are the venom on usenet can be quite toxic unless one develops an immunity to it one year ago my phlegmatic self would have backed down right away from an attack of cholericitis but my immune system and my computer system have been hardened from gradual desensitization i now kind of like being called anal retentive it has a nice ring to it i also was very impressed by how it just flowed into the post truly classic worthy of a blue or maybe brown ribbon i might even cross post it to alt best of internet hmmm   martin banschbach ph d professor of biochemistry and chairman department of biochemistry and microbiology osu college of osteopathic medicine  thanks again for a great and informative post i hope others who have researched this area and are lurking in the background will post their thoughts as well no matter their views on this subject  jon noring     charter member infj club  if youre dying to know what infj means be brave e mail me ill send info  jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 freds gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone 510 294 8153 chips worlds best livermore ca 94550 v mail 510 417 4101  who are you read alt psychology personality thats where the action is 
windows wanted xterm emulator for windows 3 1 hello  i am looking for a xterm emulator which runs under windows 3 1  please reply via e mail  thanks  chera bekker  h g bekker e mail bekker tn utwente nl faculty of applied physics voice 3153893107 university of twente fax 3153354003 the netherlands 
medicine re science and methodology  in article c5i2bo cg9 news hawaii edu lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee lady writes the difference between a nobel prize level scientist and a mediocre scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology it depends on the quality of their thinking  it really bothers me that so many graduate students seem to believe that they are doing science merely because they are conducting empirical studies  and im especially offended by russell turpins repeated assertion that science amounts to nothing more than avoiding mistakes simply avoiding mistakes doesnt get you anywhere  i think that lee lady and i are talking at cross purposes above lady seems concerned with the contrast between great science that makes big advances in our knowledge and mediocre science that makes smaller steps in most of this thread i have been concerned with the difference between what is science and what is not  lee lady is correct when she asserts that the difference between einstein and the average post doc physicist is the quality of their thought but what is the difference between einstein and a genius who would be a great scientist but whose great thoughts are scientifically screwy some would give velikovsky or korzybski as examples if you dont like these choose your own i say it is the same as the difference between the mediocre physicist and the mediocre proponent of qi both einstein and the mediocre physcists have disciplined their work from the cumulative knowledge of how previous researchers went wrong both velikovsky and the mediocre proponent of qi have failed to do this  let me approach this from a second direction when one is asked to review a paper for a journal or conference there are many kinds of criticism that one can make one kind of criticism is that the work is just wrong or misinformed another kind of criticism is that the work while technically correct is either not important or not interesting the first difference is the one that i have been pointing to the second difference is the one that lee lady seems to be discussing  if good empirical research were done and showed that there is some merit to homeopathic remedies this would certainly be valuable information but it would still not mean that homeopathy qualifies as a science this is where you and i disagree with turpin  i have often pointed out that for homeopathy to be considered scientific what is needed is a test of its theoretical claims not just of some of its proposed remedies similarly i suspect that traditional chinese medicine has many remedies that work what it lacks as one example is any experiment that tests the presence of qi  in order to have science one must have a theoretical structure that makes sense not a mere collection of empirically validated random hypotheses  certainly a theoretical structure that makes sense is the goal in areas where we do not yet have this i see nothing wrong with forming and testing smaller hypotheses lets face it we cannot always wait for an einstein to come along and make everything clear for us sometimes those of us who are not einstein have to plug along and make small amounts of progress as best we can  russell 
religion re part 1 and part 2 re homosexuality rich bellacera amail amdahl com writes  the results of the passing amendment in colorado has created an organization whos posters are appearing all over colorado called s t r a i g h t i forget the whole definition off hand but the last part was against immoral gross homosexual trash and their motto is working for a fag free america with an implicit advocation for violence  i live in colorado and have never heard of such a group obviously claims that their posters are appearing all over colorado are a tad overdone  this is sick and it seems to be what you and mr hudson and others are embracing  hardly saying that homosexuality is a sin is a far cry from working for a fag free america saying that i wouldnt want a homosexual babysitting for my kids doesnt mean i endorse against immoral gross homosexual trash  we christians have a loooooooooong tradition of coersion and oppression towards those we feel dont measure up  and now we have homosexual advocates telling us that if we dont teach our kids that homosexuality is natural and a perfectly acceptable alternative lifestyle then they will have it done for us no thanks  the gospel i believe is not so negative rather it seeks ways to include people  absolutely and the message is always go and sin no more not go and do whatever feels good  one question at the start of your post you wrote  i know many gays and i will not turn my back on them or their right to be free form discrimination i may have lost face with the greater christian community for the unpopularity of my beliefs but so did the abolitionists against the oppression of african americans many were even killed and treated as runaway slaves for being nigger lovers and such i guess ive decided the challenge is worth it  this sounds real nice but struck me as a little odd youre presenting yourself as if you were a straight xian who is sticking his neck out and taking on the challenge of speaking out in support of gays in the church but i was under the impression that you yourself are gay thats all well and fine but presenting yourself as sticking out your neck to help repressed others seems a bit untruthful under the circumstances  walter  
cars re dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading need help in article 1qvrnpinnnid shelley u washington edu yongje hardy u washington edu yong je lim writes here is a story i bought a car about two weeks ago i finally can get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence history of the car in between 91 and 92 the instrument pannel of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset to zero therefore the true meter reading is the reading before replacement plus current mileage that shows 35000 mile difference comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from the dealer never told me anything about that important story  i hope that i can return the car with full refund do u think this is possible does anyone have similar experiences any comments will be appreciated thanks  this is a tricky situation if the previous owner didnt inform the dealer of the odometer change then the previous owner committed fraud and he may be liable the dealer may also be liable if the previous owner notified the dealer or if the previous owner had the dash replaced at a dealer or if the previous owner had the dash changed legally any records search on the car should turn up the fact that the odometer had been altered if a dealer changes the speedometer he has to report it it goes into the cars service record with the manufacturer and on the title if i remember correctly the dealer told me that the old mileage etc were sent to ford when my t birds speedo was replaced if the odometer can be set to the old mileage it must be if it cant eg electrically driven odometers then the mileage of the old odometer must be written on a permanent sticker which is affixed to the door frame of the vehicle  either way if the change had been done legally then a records search which the dealer almost certainly did should have turned it up  call your states department of transportation public safety motor vehicles or your tag agent to find out for certain what your rights are your states attorney general will know for certain  james  james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven 
windows re head to head win and os 2 in article 1993may15 030210 4755 ccsvax sfasu edu z shererrg ccsvax sfasu edu writes after hearing endless debate read name calling over which os is better dos and windows or os 2 and finally having enought resourses to play with a couple of different operating systems i have decided to put the two products to a head to head test as so many fellow newsposters have suggested i have however no desire whatsoever to use a version of os 2 which wont really do what it says i e run windows apps os 2 2 0 2 1 will not run windows apps in 386 enhansed mode something that most larger windows apps require but os 2 2 2 which is supposed to be in beta test is supposed to i have heard that os 2 2 2 beta is available via ftp and i was wondering if anyone knew where to obtain a copy i would appreciate any information as i would like once and for all to establish for myself which is the best os for my needs  i dont think the question is will os 2 x x run windows y y apps now  a more important question is will subsequent os 2 versions continue to run apps from subsequent windows versions in the future  can it keep up will a future os 2 3 0 run windows 4 apps ole2 is very complex and is the sign of things to come after this fall i believe ibm no longer has any rights to view microsoft code after that the only way to maintain some sort of compatibility is to reverse engineer would you want to reverse engineer an ole2 application    john a grant jagrant emr1 emr ca airborne geophysics geological survey of canada ottawa 
cars re too fast in 1993apr14 045526 21945 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes  in article 1qg19v 5ju umcc umcc umich edu mhartman umcc umcc umich edu mark hartman writes  i dont know why you are complaining about 130 alot of us have cars that can easily top that most that go 130 are built to do it also and can handle the speed why complain and just join in on the fast fun can i ask have any of you been at the speed of 130 its a rush  driving 130 in a straight line is fine you very soon become aclimated to it its only a rush when there are corners that you dont think you can make  on a clear autobahn 130 is nothing in the u s 99 of people and all judges would label you insane and it is difficult to persuade people otherwise  sure but the surface condition of most good autobahns is far better than most of the roads here a dip in the asphalt that you test your shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130 dont get me wrong i love to drive quickly and they say my probe will do 130 but thats 30 more than ive ever tried in it cause there isnt a decent enough piece of road hereabouts  craig   mark hartman mhartman umcc umcc umich edu kalamazoo mi bk405 cleveland freenet edu im naked in the school sleepyhead   bob   
medicine re earwax bobm ingres com bob mcqueer writes one question i do have a doctor who flushed out my ears once also advocated a drop of rubbing alcohol in them afterwards to flush out any remaining trapped water said he told swimmers to do this after swimming too it works but it stings like the devil so ive always been content to let any water in my ears from swimming or flushing them out figure out how to get out by itself if shaking my head a few times wont do the trick any comments  when i have trouble its usually because of water trapped by some remaining wax i dont see why you cant just let it evaporate it should do this eventually  j  nets levin bbn com earn more sessions by sleeving pots 617 873 3463 n1mnf roxanne kowalski 
cars dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading need help here is a story i bought a car about two weeks ago i finally can get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence history of the car in between 91 and 92 the instrument pannel of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset to zero therefore the true meter reading is the reading before replacement plus current mileage that shows 35000 mile difference comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from the dealer never told me anything about that important story  i hope that i can return the car with full refund do u think this is possible does anyone have similar experiences any comments will be appreciated thanks  yongje u washington edu 
religion re rw is robert weiss the only orthodox christian im curious to know if christians ever read books based on critique on the religion classical text such as age of reason by paine or the myth maker by jacobi sometimes it is good to know your enemy and if you want to do serious research you have to understand both sides and not solely the one and only right one  yes one does i examined a critique of the book of romans by i think benjamin franklin once a deist i found it amazing that benjamin franklin missed the whole boat i also have the writings on thomas jefferson sitting on my shelf and it is amazing how much he missed i have studied platos theory of forms and aristotelian hylomorphesism what a pile of junk jesus makes plato and aristotle look like kindergardeners psychology the id ego superego by freud elements of truth but jesus explained it far better and gave reasons  thomas paine benjamin franklin thomas jefferson are mere men they can screw up the bible just as well as any man i do not put these men on a pedestal and if i remember t j s autobiography correctly he thought thomas paine was the most unread man he ever met  heres some more circular reasoning to you paul says to the corinthians that that the gospel will be foolishness to the world because it is spiritually discerned and so people without the spirit of god havent a clue to what the bible is saying from your point of view thats incredibly circular and convenient to me it is mysteriously and supernaturally bizarre i can see it but you cant this is not arrogance on my part trust me it is as bizarre to you as it is to me but nonetheless it is a truth explainable or not  are any of you color blind to red and green i am remember those dot tests they do at the optomologists they put pictures in front of you and you are supposed to identify the pattern in the dots if your eyes are perfectly normal you can see letters or numerals embedded in the dots they are a slightly different color and stand out from the background but if you are color blind to red and green you will not see anything but gray shaded dots that is how a dot test appears to me i do not see a pattern at all  a normal seeing person will see the patterns and to him i seem like a total anomaly to him i appear as if i am missing the universe or something it is hard for him to understand why i cant see anything that to him is as plain as day  that it what it is like with the bible the word of god to the believer the believer can see the meaning in the words i can see how the patterns fit together there is such depth such consistency but then on the other hand i notice the non believer he doesnt see it he thinks i am weird because he thinks i am seeing things i look at him and say no you are weird you do not see then it is time for a sanity check i go to another christian and say do you see this and they go yes it is an x and i say thank god i see the x too  it is truly the strangest thing it adds a little extra dimension to the phrase  he will make the blind see and the deaf hear   i am glad that jesus has enabled me to see i wish every non believer could see what they are missing 
guns re cnn for sale if anyone is keeping a list of the potential contributors you can put me down for 1000 00 under the conditions above  keith emmen kde boi hp com 
medicine how often do kids fall sick etc our 20 month son has started falling sick quite often every since he started going to day care he was at home for the first year and he did not fall sick even once now it seems like he has some sort of cold or flu pretty much once a month most of the time the cold leads to an ear infection as well with the result that he ends up being on antibiotics 3 weeks out of 4 i know kids in day care fall sick more often but we are beginning to wonder how often more often really is whether our son is more susceptible or has lower immunity than average what the longer term effects of constantly being sick and taking antibiotics are and what we can do to build up his resistance he really enjoys his day care and we think its great too but we are beginning to wonder whether we should think about getting a nanny  are there any studies that can help answer some of these questions  how often do kids in their first second and third years fall sick how often do they get colds flus ear infections is there any data on home care vs day care  does being sick build immunity leading to less illness later does it make kids weaker leading to more illness later or does it not have any long term effect  does taking antibiotics on a regular basis have any negative long term effects  how does one tell if a child is more susceptible to illness than normal and what does one do about it  is there any way to build immunity and resistance  any data information or advice relating to this would be much appreciated thanks a lot  ashwin 
medicine re food related seizures michael covington mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu wrote  how about contaminants on the corn e g aflatoxin  little alflatoxin on commercial cereal products and certainly wouldnt cause seizures   david ozonoff md mph boston university school of public health dozonoff med itvax1 bu edu 80 east concord st t3c 617 638 4620 boston ma 02118 
medicine copper bracelet sabona by dr john sorenson  i have seen copper bracelet by the name of sabona created by dr john sorenson i am looking for literature on the effectiveness of copper bracelet in dealing with arthritis  i know in one case a 70 year old person developed bruise at the base of her left thumb after wearing the copper bracelet on her left wrist for several months she was told the bruise is normal and would disappear  is the bruise reason to be concerned should the person discontinued wearing the copper bracelet could anyone kindly point me to literature on copper bracelet what are the other information on copper bracelet  your response would be very much appreciated  thank you  lau hon wah  
cars re review 1989 ford taurus sho excerpts from rec autos 26 apr 93 re review 1989 ford tauru by mark w rice mozart colu in article 24326 74 uupcb cutting hou tx us david bonds cutting hou tx us dav id bonds writes  gk occasionally i have trouble shifting into reverse the shifter gk refuses to enter the gate and i often grind the synchros trying to gk get it into gear ill be watching this carefully in the next couple gk of months  enter 1st wait 2 3 seconds and then go into reverse they use the same synchros and youll never at least i havent ground em to fit when using this technique  or do like the manual says and put it in 3rd first then you can quickly go into reverse no waiting  one more way which works in manual trans cars ive driven and it is my personal favorite the other suggestions above are great but try this one too  while pushing the shifter gently towards reverse let the clutch out slowly right to the friction point and the shifter will be pulled into position if you do it right the car wont jump backward nor will the gears grind you will just glide back  sam 
baseball winfield has re 200 sbs 200 hrs in article mjones 735584681 fenway mjones fenway aix kingston ibm com mike jones writes dans fore csd sgi com dan steinman writes last night on the giants mets radio broadcast hank and ted were discussing the fact that there were only 16 players who had ever hit 200 homeruns and stolen 200 bases in their career while hojo was batting anyone have a list not as easy as it sounds to come up with all of them i couldnt mays mantle aaron henderson morgan bonds dad frank robinson molitor yount guessing now id be interested to see the whole list  first please watch your line lengths not everyone has autowrap second franklin to the rescue heres the list player hr sb aaron 755 240 mays 660 338 frobinson 586 204 rjackson 563 228 winfield 406 216 dawson 377 304 baylor 338 285 bobonds 332 461 wynn 291 225 strawberry 280 201 morgan 268 689 pinson 256 309 yount 235 247 kgibson 208 253 sandberg 205 297  players marked with an are still active numbers through 1991 thats only 15 the 16th is probably rickey henderson who was listed at 184 hr 994 sb or george brett listed as 186 sb 291 hr  the surprises probably reggie bayor and wynn for steals maybe morgan to a lot of people for homers i was kind of surprised to realize that sandberg has that many steals though i wasnt surprised that the number was 200  mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com  dreams are real while they last can we say more of life havelock ellis 
baseball ozzie smith a defensive liability in article 1993apr17 200602 8229 leland stanford edu addison leland stanford edu brett rogers writes in article steph 735027990 pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes smith ozzie 742 717 697 672 664 0 701 the wizards 1988 is the second highest year ever still very good but i dont like the way his numbers have declined every year in a few years may be a defensive liability  thats rich ozzie smith a defensive liability  why do you expect him to remain the best shortstop in the game until he reaches his seventy third birthday or something why is it such a strange concept that a forty one year old ozzie smith might be a defensive liability in 1996  ted frank thf2 kimbark uchicago edu im sorry the card says moops the u of c law school standard disclaimers 
cars re changing oil by self  in article 13798 news duke edu infante acpub duke edu andrew infante write s   youre actually worried about somebody stealing your oil  ahhh yes andrew we meet again  no not stealing the oil just draining it as to leave me stranded  cmon you think a vandalll do that  let me guess youre from hudson ohio  thats absolutely ridiculous  get out and see the world   if i were the vandal and i really hated someone maybe someone who knew something about cars of course i would look for any types of valves i could undo especially special oil drain plugs and radiator petcocks  as well as putting bad things in the gas  while i would never vandalize someones car if i were to it would probably be the time bomb approach and im sure im not the only one who thinks that way   steve 
guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes  in article c5rrot mmm rice edu fontenot ravl rice edu dwayne jacques fontenot writes in article c5rpoj ijv news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article 1993apr19 184303 6205 stortek com vojak icebucket stortek com bill vojak writes   5 point out that even if the fire was set by someone inside of the building it came as a direct result of the actions of the fbi batf and the people inside including 17 children deserved a trial instead of this  well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv to get the trial they deserved instead they chose to set fire to their compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas  correction the fbi says that the davidians set fire to their buildings  and i suppose the fbi also prevented them from coming out with their hands up while national tv cameras watch  well the attorneys of the davidians reported on larry king that the tanks had actually damaged the structure to the extent that effectuating egress from the building was difficult at best with a rapidly spreading fire and large amounts of smoke and tear gas finding the right exits or acceptible holes in the walls were nearly impossible i find this explanation to be completely plausible doesnt mean that its true but i dont find it intrinsically less believable than the government stories  the fbi also said that the davidians had a methanphetamine lab in their basement and that the davidians had 50 cal machine guns  do you believe everything the fbi says  do you disbelieve everything the fbi says i balance my gut reaction to question authority together with the independent facts as i see them on video i usually adopt the scenario that is simplest and most plausible i do not generally believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely scenarios  i concur  the batf is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair but to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is ludicrous  indeed according to the lawyers the davidian survivors say that lanterns were knocked over during the probing and thats how the fire started a tragic accident if true  do you trust that snivelling little piece of sh t special agent ricks he seems to think he is a comedian and the media who laugh at his sick jokes are just as guilty as he imho  up until now the batf had been making me sick today the people inside the compound who set the fire made me sick keeping the children inside the compund when they should have been released earlier with the other people weeks ago is absolutely inexcuseable not releasing them before deciding to set the place afire is the work of madmen  two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set by cult members  correction the fbi says that two of the nine said the fire was deliberately set by the sect members  if the fire were set by accident or by people outside the compound i would have expected far more cult members to flee the compound or at least come out shooting  see above this one is going to be thoroughly investigated maybe well eventually get some idea of what happened my view is that from beginning to end this operation was a botch and that it is completely possible that nut cases who were otherwise law abiding citizens were victims of a bureaucratic execution  paul hager hagerp moose cs indiana edu  i would give the devil benefit of the law for my own safetys sake from a man for all seasons by robert bolt 
cars gm may build toyota badged car this appeared today in the  the japan economic journal reported gm plans to build a toyota badged car in the us for sale in japan bruce macdonald vp of gm corporate communications yesterday confirmed that gm president and ceo jack smith had a meeting recently with tatsuro toyoda president of toyota this meeting the two discussed business opportunities to increase gm exports to japan including further component sales as well as completed vehicle sales parts sales the two presidents agreed conceptually to pursue an arrangement whereby gm would build a toyota badged right hand drive vehicle in the us for sale by toyota in japan a working group has been formed to finalize model specifications exact timing and other details 
cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes my car was recently destroyed in a hail storm i fully expected to get jerked around by the insurance company i wasnt the only one who had hail damage state farm opened its claim centers on evenings and weekends and flew down additional adjusters from dallas  i have no experience with state farm but i think its important to differentiate your experience from a typical accident  hail damage is clearly not the fault of the owner and also tends to be well publicized in the media so its to the ins co s benefit to respond promptly and helpfully damage like this doesnt imply anything about the likelihood of future claims unless you live in an area that gets frequent damaging hail storms so theres no reason for them to stop covering you thats a lot different from at fault accidents or theft related claims which may be more indicative of claim patterns 
guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors  in 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes  i will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors but here goes  fret not you made it  i have predicted this from the start but god it sickens me to see it happen i had hoped i was wrong i had hoped that there was still some shred of the america i grew up with and loved left alive i was wrong the nazis have won  not while we still have our guns evil grin  hey gang its not about duck hunting or about dark alleys its about black clad helmeted and booted troops storming houses and violating civil rights under color of law  are you ready to defend your constitution  glenn r stone glenns eas gatech edu 
baseball re hits stolen centerfield 1992 in article steph 735350048 pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes  nhs net hits stolen extra outs compared to average fielder neb net extra bases extra bases prevented compared to avg fielder  national league  name hs nhs neb dcon dops lankford r 39 4 12 007 844 martinez d 21 5 16 017 660 butler b 1 29 5 088 716  american league   name hs nhs neb dcon dops wilson w 47 26 0 125 787 felix j 22 0 32 063 713  i suspect that splits such as these are the result of positioning an outfielder who is fast and gets a good jump would be expected to catch a lot of balls preventing both singles and doubles and also cut off more uncatchable balls turinging doubles into singles however a fielder who plays shallow will catch more short flies and fewer long flies this means that he will allow fewer singles but more doubles  has anyone seen these players positioning do butler and felix play deep and lankford martinez and wilson shallow or is this a park effect i thought butler liked to play shallow   david grabiner grabiner zariski harvard edu we are sorry but the number you have dialed is imaginary please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again disclaimer i speak for no one and no one speaks for me 
baseball re best record ever in baseball in article 1psl0jinnam3 jhunix hcf jhu edu admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu steve c liu writes of all teams i believe the cubs have the best record ever in baseball sometime way far back 110 and something  i think it was the 1954 cleveland indians with 111 
cars re dumb options list  in a previous article parr acs ucalgary ca charles parr says  the idea here is to list pointless options you know stuff you can get on a car that has no earthly use  1 a fitting that allows you to generate household current with the engine running and plug ins in the trunk engine compartment and cabin  feel free to add on  regards charles x  within the span of the last few weeks i have heard elements of separate threads which in that they have been conjoined in time struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd unknown net person   
baseball seeking all star game info  ok ok ok first my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request but here goes anyhow  im very interested in finding out how i might be able to get two tickets for the all star game in baltimore this year my very aged folks live about 50 miles away and i know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game i went with them and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child to the all star game in dc many years ago although im now in the sf bay area id love to be able to treat my folks to this game its absolutely the last chance theyd ever have to attend this g      ame locally  any info would be greatly appreciated  mary cole mcole informix com 
cars rec autos welcome to to the new reader archive name rec autos part1  most recent changes 15 march 1993 addition of alt autos karting rpw  welcome to rec autos  this article is sent out automatically each month and contains a general description of the purpose of each of the automotive newsgroups and some suggested guidelines for discussions the keywords monthly posting will always appear to make killing this article easy for users of newsreaders with kill facilities this article is posted to all autos groups but followups are directed only to rec autos if you dont understand what this means ask your system administrator for help or at least for copies of the newuser documentation failing that please subscribe to the newsgroup news announce newusers and read the documentation provided there  introduction to the rec autos newsgroup hierarchy  rec autos tech  is intended for technical discussions of automobiles their design construction diagnosis and service other discussions are largely inappropriate especially for sale ads  rec autos sport  is intended for discussion of legal organized competition involving automobiles technical discussions are appropriate insofar as they apply to competition vehicles discussion from either of two viewpoints spectator and participant is encouraged arguments about sports cars are largely inappropriate as are most other discussions for sale ads are inappropriate unless they are for competition vehicles and or equipment discussions of illegal events are marginal one should probably avoid advocating breaking the law remember the fbi reads usenet  rec autos driving  is intended for discussions related to the driving of automobiles also if you must discuss 55 vs 65 or radar detectors or insert your pet driving peeve boneheads do it here  rec autos vw  is intended for discussion of issues related to the use and ownership of automobiles manufactured by volkswagen this includes vws audis seats etc it was created on the grounds that the info vw mailing list was very successful it should not be presumed from the existence of this group that it is appropriate to create many groups to cover many different marques groups specific to individual marques should only be created on demonstration of sufficient interest via some avenue such as a mailing list  rec audio car  is not properly part of the rec autos hierarchy it is however the correct place for discussion of automotive audio equipment and so is mentioned here  rec autos antique  is intended for the discussion of older cars usually more than 25 years old although this is not a hard and fast rule  alt hotrod  is not part of the hierarchy but also of potential interest to the rec autos reader it is gatewayed to the moderated hotrod mailing list and is for serious discussion of modifying and developing performance vehicles  alt autos rod n custom  also not part of the official hierarchy devoted to that peculiar american hobby of customizing older cars  alt autos karting  for the discussion of the popular motorsport and hobby karting  rec autos  is intended to capture discussion on all other automotive topics   crossposting  crossposting occurs when more than one newsgroup name is included on the newsgroups line in the article header such articles will appear in all of the newsgroups listed  crossposting is one of the most misunderstood and misused facilities on usenet you should only post to a group because you feel an article is appropriate you should never crosspost just to reach a particular audience this distinction is subtle but important radar detector articles for example are more or less appropriate in rec autos they are almost never appropriate in sci electronics or rec ham radio and the fact that you might want to reach the audience in sci electronics or rec ham radio is not adequate justification for posting to either group  crossposting between any or all of the rec autos groups is usually inappropriate if you find yourself doing so consider whether or not it is truly advisable before sending your article consider setting followup to to point to only one newsgroup if you feel you must crosspost  crossposting between rec autos and misc consumers is chancy at best in particular flame wars over the speed limit in the us and or the use of radar detectors should never be crossposted between any of these groups  most readers of sci electronics and rec radio couldnt care less about the police radar and radar detector arguments that go on endlessly in rec autos  it is an excellent idea to check the newsgroups and followup to lines of articles before posting a followup in particular be wary of posting to misc test rec arts startrek or talk bizarre or any combination of these three the life you save may be your own  distribution  there is a field in the header of any news article which allows you to partially control where the article goes it is called the distribution field it may be very useful for many reasons it should also serve as a reminder that news is a very large and widespread system  the distribution of rec autos is fairly extensive as of this writing the automotive newsgroups are known to reach most of europe australia new zealand and some locations in japan with this in mind i offer the following hints about use of the distribution field in your article headers and on article content  1 please take care not to send for sale ads about clapped out ford mavericks in new jersey to france or california i doubt that anyone in either place will care except for my girlfriend who for some strange reason likes mavericks but only 4 door mavericks at that  2 when posting technical questions please include the market for which your car was manufactured for example there are a number of differences between a european market ford escort and a us market escort likewise all 1750cc and early 2000cc alfa romeos reached the us with spica fuel injection european market cars usually got carbs often webers these differences can be important to your readers make your situation clear failure to do so can lead to pointless flame wars and a significant spread of misinformation  3 be careful about your capacities and specifications when posting in the us we get a mix of metric and english system values whereas europe is almost entirely on the metric system a future edition of this monthly posting will contain a list of commonly used abbreviations that may not be known in some places that rec autos reaches this cuts both ways so let us not be parochial about it  4 use the distribution field to limit where your article goes when possible within north america the values na north america can canada and usa may be used in addition the two letter state abbreviations of the us are supported in some cases e g if i wanted to send an article only to new york and new jersey i could put ny nj in a distribution field note that multiple comma separated values are legal these distribution fields vary widely however so you should check with your local sysadmin to find out what is likely to be supported in your area  the dangers of overgeneralization  to amplify a warning from the distribution section of this article be wary of making foolish assumptions about all cars tires etc what is true for a 1973 buick with a 455cid engine may be quite utterly wrong for a 1976 honda with a 1200cc engine headlight laws in sweden are decidedly different from those in idaho  the need for adequate specification  when you ask a question please give a reasonable amount of information e g if you have a question about your honda please specify year model engine size etc otherwise most answers to your question may be quite useless   concerning lemons  at one time or another every auto manufacturer has manufactured a lemon or two even honda admits to this please dont waste everyones time by announcing to the world that your brand x automobile is terrible so all brand x automobiles are terrible so no one should ever buy a car from the brand x company such articles are worse than useless because they cause substantial wasted bandwidth while carrying little or no useful information   concerning flames  as much as we might wish it a flame free newsgroup is something that most likely will never occur here are some guidelines for flames and how to deal with them a list of flame prone topics follows in the next section of this posting  if you post something truly obnoxious and inflammatory dont imagine for a minute that including the words no flames will work it wont and youll get exactly what you deserve  if youre going to flame youre more likely to get away with it if you can cite a fact or maybe a well known reference no one is likely to believe bald unsupported assertions  be careful about who you choose to insult consider not insulting anyone   asking the question  it is a bad idea to post a question and end it with a phrase like please send email i dont read this group it is a much better idea to end the question with please send email if there is sufficient interest ill summarize the results in a later posting i may miss posted responses to this request  answering the question  if someone wants to hop up their yugo dont tell them to get a mustang either be silent or give them useful advice if someone wants advice on defending a speeding ticket dont tell them to obey the law next time its offensive presumes guilt which is not proven and doesnt directly address the original question in general dont post in order to see your words in print and dont post in order to enjoy feeling smug and self righteous   stale and or inflammatory topics  certain topics are considered stale by old timers while discussion of them is certainly ok and new factual information is welcome ravings about them are extremely tiresome and may get the person who posts them ignored altogether some topics are naturally inflammatory it is difficult if not impossible to have meaningful discussion of them some of these topics include the following  1 the 55mph speed limit in the us pro and con  2 discussions about the morality and legality of the sale and usage of radar detectors  3 discussions over which radar detector is best  4 discussions over what is a sports car this is one reason why rec autos sport is not a sports car group everyone would argue about what constitutes a sports car  5 disputes over whether or not us federal law protects the drivers right to own and operate a radar detector  6 buy american discussions  7 clever bumper stickers and personalized license plates  8 insert nationality here cars are terrible  9 what kind of car did maxwell smart drive when i have a complete accurate answer it will be added to the commonly asked questions article which is also posted monthly until then please dont waste bandwidth on this topic rpw    please direct comments and suggestions about this article to  welty cabot balltown cma com  richard welty 518 393 7228 welty cabot balltown cma com nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis carroll smith 
cars re do trains have radar in article 1993apr13 111652 usho72 hou281 chevron com hhtra usho72 hou281 chevron com t m haddock writes   while taking an extended easter vacation i was going north on i 45 somewhere between centerville tx and dallas tx and i came upon a train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over the northbound lanes there appeared to be movement within the cab and out of curiosity i slowed to 85 to get a better look just as i passed from underneath the trestle my radar detector went into full alert all lights lit and all chirps beeps and buzzes going strong i thought i had been nailed good but no police materialized  could this have been caused by the trains radio or what   travis  boy travis  were you lucky you went under the new texas rangers stealth patrol car good thing you slowed down  newsgroups rec autos distribution world followup to references 1993apr13 111652 usho72 hou281 chevron com from dje bmw535 nosubdomain nodomain don eilenberger organization subject re do trains have radar keywords 
guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 94102 hydra gatech edu gt5311b prism gatech edu bhattacharya abhijit writes in article 1r4ef7 408 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes  do you think a 200 tax evasion justifies an armed assault by the government with 100 armed men in trailers orchestrated character assassination noise torture and a holocaust  i doubt if koresh had let the batf have a look inside his place as they intended to do orchestrated character assassination noise torture and a holocaust would never have come to pass  the bds killed members of the batf on the first day orchestrated character assassination and noise torture seem like a small retribution  does the phrase innocent until proven guilty have any meaning anymore  the use of tanks is quesionable however    abhijit  bhattacharya abhijit georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gt5311b internet gt5311b prism gatech edu   jmd handheld com  im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 
baseball question about candlestick  i have tickets for the tb giants and i was wondering if anybody familiar with the stadium could tell me where section 15 in the lower level is located please e mail the response thanks rich  youve read the hat now see the movie imus in the morning a blurb youre a blurb seinfeld 
religion oto the ancient order of oriental templars 93 04 16 e v after the glorious eve of taxation  do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law the word of sin is restriction   to all whom it may concern    it is known only to a few that there exists an external visible organization of such men and women who having themselves found the path to real self knowledge and who having travelled the burning sands are willing to give the benefit of their experience and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be guided  while numberless societies associations orders groups etc have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of the civilised world all following some line of occult study yet there is but one ancient organization of genuine mystics which shows the seeker after truth a royal road to discover the lost mysteries of antiquity and to the unveiling of the one hermetic truth  this organization is known at the present time as the ancient order of oriental templars ordo templi orientis otherwise the hermetic brotherhood of light  it is a modern school of magic and like the ancient schools of magic it derived its knowledge from the east this knowledge was never its possessors sic it was recorded in symbol parable and allegory requiring a key for its interpretation  this key can be placed within the reach of all those who apply for membership to the oriental templars o t o  the o t o is a body of initiates in whose hands are concentrated the secret knowledge of all oriental orders and of all existing masonic degrees  the o t o although an academia masonica is not a masonic body so far as the craft degrees are concerned in the sense in which that expression is usually understood in england and therefore in no way conflicts with or infringes the just priveleges of the united lodge of england english master masons in good standing by arrangement on affiliation are admitted at reduced charges members of the ix degree become part proprietors of the estates and goods of the order for further information see the publications of the o t o and the synopsis of the degrees of the o t o  constitution of the ancient order of oriental templars ordo templi orientis  by frater superior merlin peregrinus x degree past grand master albert karl theodor reuss   taken from equinox iii 10 edited by frater superior rex summus sanctissimus united states caliph of ordo templi orientis   invoke me under my stars love is the law love under will  i am i  frater i nigris dclxvi cccxxxiii 
baseball 15 day 30 day 60 day disabled list questions  ive a curiousity  whenever a person is put on the 15 day 30 day or 60 day the person is on the list longer than the specificed time  ive seen a person on the 15 day for maybe 4 months last year i dont remember what  i just need a little clarification on the disabled list specifications  scotyy   scott allen steinbrink go cleveland cavaliers nba finals 93 netcom derich netcom com go cleveland indians world series 93 digex derich digex com go cleveland browns super bowl 94   
baseball re marlins win marlins win look at all that teal bleah  indeed if the color teal on a teams uniforms is any indication of the future the marlins are in dire trouble refer to the san jose sharks for proof but i have hope for the marlins i was a sometime member of the rene lachemann fan club at the oakland coliseum and have a deep respect for the guy hes a gem and of course walt weiss gives that franchise class but yeah whoever designed those uniforms was guilty of a paucity of style and imagination ugghhh  lloyd r nebres uc berkeley internet lloyd uclink berkeley edu vox 510 848 9760 or 643 9390 never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 carrying a ton of cd roms 
cars re mr2 noisy engine  eliot is right about 2 2 liter engine in the second and last generation mr2s but the original guy did not indicate the year of his mr2 if its a first generation car like my 85 it has 1 6 liter engine or perhaps same engine with a supercharger if its 87 89 the sound he describes is common to any older toyota engine i ever heard i dont know the relevance of his observations about oil changes my simply makes noise not all that annoying mind you but you hear it well when the engine is right behind your left ear mike s  sorry bout that mine is a 91 model non turbo 2 0 with abs and revised suspension whatever revised means im in australia so we always seem to get the versions without extras which the europeans and americans get as standard  my query is why does the noise get noticeably louder about 2 3 months after an oil change i just find it a bit wierd that this happens is it the oil im using mobil 1 or is it the engine the 3s ge version model ie gets noiser the older the oil is im only guessing  its not annoyingly distressing or anything but just slightly puzzling   puzzled  
baseball re cubs expos roster questions in article 1993apr15 003015 1 vmsb is csupomona edu cvadrnlh vmsb is csupomona edu writes today 4 14 cubs activated p mike harkey from dl whom did they move to make room for harkey also are delino deshields john wetteland of the expos on the dl thanks for anyone who can give me more info  ken cal poly pomona   wetteland is on the dl effective march 26 or something like that  rick 
medicine the andromeda strain just had the opportunity to watch this flick on a e some 15 years since i saw it last  i was very interested in the technology demonstrated in this film for handling infectious diseases and similar toxic substances clearly they faked a lot of the computer robotic technology certainly at the time it was made most of that was science fiction itself let alone the idea of a space germ  quite coincidentally actually this is what got me wanted to see the movie again i watched a segment on the otherwise awful howd they do that dealing with a disease researcher at the cdcs top lab there was description of the elaborate security measures taken so that building will never be cracked so to speak by man or nature short of deliberate bombing from the air perhaps and the researchers used spacesuits similar to that in the film  im curious what people think about this film short of silly is such a facility technically feasible today  as far as the plot and the crystalline structure that is not life as we know it thats a whole nother argument for rec arts sf tech or something  next a waco update an ohio prison update a bosnia update a russian update an abortion update and a congressional update here on snn the standoff news network all news all standoff all day daniel a hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask me about rotaract 
guns re ammo in a fire was re waco burning bressler iftccu ca boeing com rick bressler writes  small arms rounds set off outside of a firearm pose little risk except possibly eye injuries and minor wounds  true  large concentrations of ammo or magazines not the type you insert into your semi auto probably pose a larger risk but mostly from heat and flame this is also covered in the above reference  no more risk than smaller stashes unless the stash is somehow confined so the heat from early ignitions could somehow bulk heat the remainder  two years ago this month my house and office burned in my office was my reloading bench on the top shelf next to the wooden ceiling was about 100 lbs of smokeless powder 5 lbs of black powder several thousand primers and a couple thousand loaded rounds primarily in 45acp 30 20 and 308 the fire was extinguished before the area containing the reloading supplies were fully involved there was about 1 2 of char on the joists subsequently removed by sandblasting lots of heat in other words  none of the powder kegs ignited one 1lb can of pistol powder ignited no explosion as the can opened at the seam as it was designed to do the black powder cans were charred and got so hot the plastic lids completely melted and ran down inside the smokless powder was contained mostly in 8 lb cardboard or metal kegs the kegs were charred badly enough that the paper labels burned completely off and in the case of the metal cans the plastic lids melted completely away  many of the rounds cooked off they were in close proximity to wood on all sides so the effects were easy to observe in most cases with the rifle ammo the cartridge cases ruptured in the middle many bullets were found still in the neck small shards of brass were lightly stuck into the wood lightly enough that brushing them with a fingertip would usually dislodge them primers generally popped out of the primer pockets the 45acp rounds that cooked off left empty cases and bullets laying around no dents were observed above the storage area indicating the bullets left the cases slowly enough not to be a hazard  ordinary small arms ammo is not a hazard when cooking off regardless of what the fbi says  john   john de armond wd4oqc interested in high performance mobility performance engineering magazine tm interested in high tech and computers marietta ga send ur snail mail address to jgd dixie com perform dixie com for a free sample mag lee harvey oswald where are ya when we need ya 
guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news in article c4tshu ew6 magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes frank crary fcrary ucsu colorado edu wrote thats all very well and good but i was refering to all homocides not just ones involving handguns what is this fixation on death by shooting as if it were somehow worse than death by stabbing  what relevance are all homicides in this debate what do you think gun control advocates are saying that if we get rid of all handguns we will live in a homicide free world  the relevance is that if youve got x homicides and reduce the number of gun homicides in that group but x doesnt decrease by a significant amount have you made an improvement and is that improvement worth what youve paid  the issue is guns not baseball bats even a simpleton knows that he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat certainly of outrunning a bat wielding assailant  if a baseball bat is a tenth as likely to kill a victim as a gun is that any comfort to that tenth  as for knives see my earlier post id much rather face a knife than a gun thanks  ive faced a knife and i was damn annoyed i didnt have a gun all the statistics in the world didnt change the fact that he was interested in cutting me  fortunately the best defense against a knife isnt another knife anyone trained in unarmed self defense wont have much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife assault which probably means 99 9 of knife assailants  anyone trained in self defense  unarmed self defense isnt for everyone whats more it requires substantially more training to be safe and effective than a firearm it requires physical proximity and thus a greater threat to the victim which is a primary problem with stun guns you have to actually touch your assailant unless youre very good a large stronger assailant can simply ignore your blows long enough to incapacitate you   david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu 
baseball re moe berg barring cs washington edu david barrington writes  npr this morning had an interview with linda mccarthy name possibly garbled by me an official historian for the cia she has won an emmy for research on moe berg for a tv documentary which i know from nothing but which sounds good she said that among other things berg was the principal spy for the oss cias wwii precursor spying on axis atomic programs because of his physics background and language skills she said that during the war he met with heisenberg in switzerland and had instructions to shoot heisenberg if the germans were close to us in bomb research he concluded they were two years behind and didnt shoot him i have heard elsewhere that heisenberg deliberately misled the nazi bomb program but i dont know how reliable this is unfortunately npr didnt mention any kind of a book shes writing id certainly buy it dave mb  there is a great book out called they also served which is about the ballplayers during wwii there is some info on berg in there it also has info on pete gray one armed outfielder and other players of the era because of the draft many players during the war were those who were exempt from the draft for medical reasons there are some very interesting stories in the book it is very well written and i would suggest reading it to anyone with an interest in baseball  rob koffler    you live day to day and rkoffler ux4 cso uiuc edu dream about tomorrow don henley  
medicine recurrent respiratory papillomatosis  we will be holding a bake and craft sale at communiversity in princeton on nassau street saturday april 24th 12 4 p m to benefit the recurrent respiratory papillomatosis foundation a nonprofit foundation established to encourage research toward a cure for recurrent respiratory papillomatosis our three year old daughter suffers from this disease below is a press release that appeared in local newspapers hope you can join us   on saturday april 24 as part of communiversity in princeton a local family will be having a bake and craft sale to raise money for and create public awareness about a rare disease called recurrent respiratory papillomatosis  bill and marlene sterns daughter lindsay is afflicted with this disease characterized by tumors attacking the inside of the larynx vocal cords and trachea caused by a virus the tumors grow block the air passages and would lead to death from suffocation without continual surgery to remove the growths three year old lindsay has undergone 11 operations thus far since her diagnosis last year and faces the prospect of over a hundred operations throughout her lifetime  even though the disease is hardly a household word it has affected the lives of enough people to inspire the formation of the recurrent respiratory papillomatosis foundation a non profit foundation whose goals are to provide support for patients and families by networking patients and publishing a newsletter enhance awareness of rrp at the local and national level and aid in the prevention cure and treatment  since medical researchers know that the virus causing the disease is similar to those viruses causing warts they feel a cure would be within reach if money were available for research because rrp is rare it not only gets scant attention but also paltry funds to search for a cure part of the rrp foundations mission is to change that  anyone interested in contributing items to the bake and craft sale please call marlene or bill at 609 890 0502 monetary donations can be made at the foundations booth during communiversity april 24th 12 to 4 p m in downtown princeton or sent directly to  the recurrent respiratory foundation 50 wesleyan drive hamilton sq nj 08690 thanks mstern lindsay princeton edu 
guns re fwd free nra membership offer andy sail stanford edu andy freeman writes  the nra supports anyone whos pro gun and has a chance of winning election regardless of their other positions is it their fault that some drug legalizers are anti gun is it their fault that the drug legalizers who are pro gun cant get elected  its not the nras fault but it is something to consider if you are considering contributing to the nra if candidate b is a complete asshole whose only saving grace is that he opposes unnecessary restrictions on firearms i wouldnt want my membership dues funding efforts to get him re elected  i have other problems with the nra as an organization the individual members ive met have been loyal trustworthy honest brave etc especially my boss who probably reads this newsgroup b they are definitely pro hunting and i recall seeing a pro desert storm nra bumper sticker sometimes they come on too strong in the political arena which contributes to their reputation as bad guys amoung many people   tom swiss tms cs umd edu born to die keep your laws off my brain whats so funny bout peace love and understanding nick lowe this sig contains no animal products and was not tested on animals i would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority e b white  
medicine faq typing injuries 1 4 changes since last month monthly posting archive name typing injury faq changes version revision 1 3 date 1993 04 13 04 12 33  this file details changes to the soda berkeley edu archive and summarizes whats new in the various faq frequently asked questions documents this will be posted monthly along with the full faq to the various net groups the various mailing lists will either receive the full faq every month or every third month but will always get this file once per month phew   changes to the typing injuries faq and soda berkeley edu archive this month   a few new files on the soda berkeley edu archive the tidbits caring for your wrists document rsi network 11 advice about adverse mechanical tension more details about the new apple keyboard more info about carpal tunnel syndrome carpal explained more general info about rsi rsi details rsi physical  marketing info on the vertical macweek article the bat  new details on hooking a normal pc keyboard to an rs 6000  updated pricing info on the datahand and comfort  half qwerty now available for anonymous ftp on explorer dgp toronto edu  new gif picutures the apple adjustable keyboard the key tronic flexpro another picture of the kinesis the vertical the tony    if youd like to receive a copy of the faq and you didnt find it in the same place you found this document you can either send e mail to dwallach cs berkeley edu or you can anonymous ftp to soda berkeley edu 128 32 149 19 and look in the pub typing injury directory  enjoy   dan wallach one of the most attractive features of a connection dwallach cs berkeley edu machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces office 510 642 9585 of its cabinet cm paris ref manual v6 0 p48 
guns re carrying arms in article 1993apr5 220457 6800 spdc ti com dwhite epcot spdc ti com dan white writes i have a question about the second amendment that has bothered me for awhile the amendment guarentees our right to keep and bear arms currently the gun prohibitionists are trying to restrict or eliminate our right to keep arms with the brady bill and the assault weapon ban however havent we already lost our right to bear arms  it seems that in most states like texas a citizen may own a gun and carry while at his home or business but a citizen is severely restricted from bearing outside these areas here in texas you cannot carry in your car except when traveling which is usually defined as traveling across a county line how did this come about are there any court rulings on the legality of restricting the carrying of a weapon outside the home  there are but not any that would help texans in many states such laws have been found to violate the state constitution but the federal second amendment does not apply directly to the states it was written to limit the federal government only the fourteenth amendment was written to extend the restrictions of the bill of rights to the state level however the exact wording of the fourteenth amendment is very vague the supreme court has been dancing around the issue without facing it directly for over 100 years in practice the bill of right indirectly applies through the fourteenth applies to the state governments only if the supreme court has ruled that particular provision the court has made no such rulings on the second amendment  frank crary cu boulder  
cars re ford probe opinions centered around the gt in article 1993apr20 002651 20797 sco com nathanp sco com nathan writes  jeremy g mereness zonker cmu edu says  can anyone offer any opinions of the ford probe ala how they do in the long run repair records reliability mileage etc  i am fixing to buy a car in the next few months aiming toward something a little bigger than a typical small car and with a little more power i am considering the mx 6 probe accord corolla and the 240sx  i bought a 93 probe gt with the pep 263a last july now at 9500 miles after debating over the sentra se r nx2000 mx6 mr 2 stealth prelude and celica  the car design is different than earlier years so its too early to see its reliability so far for what its worth my comments  my dislikes shutting door with windows up from inside rarely makes good wind seal  some other owners on the ford probe world std com mailing list have commented about this problem but i havent seen it happen on my 3 month old 93 probe gt i think this may be something that ford has corrected since the initial batch of cars also someone said that ford has issued a service bulletin to inform dealers about how to correct this problem so you may be able to get your dealer to fix it  headlights have stuck up a few times weather air conditioning broke 4000 miles pressure cycling switch condensation around rear washer fluid container doesnt drain completely  havent seen any of these problems nor have i seen these mentioned on the mailing list so these might just be having bad luck with these  crammed engine little hope for do it yourselfers typical  definitely  parts somewhat more expensive than normal ford parts underside plastic doesnt like sharp driveways and speedbumps typical assembly gripes tape on radiator screw fell out of dash seat seams not stitched properly hopefully just a fluke  no problems like these either i havent been able to find any obvious places where they screwed up  ford only gives 1 key with the car cmon ford spend an extra few pennies  hmmm i got two keys with my car something tells me you got stiffed by your dealer on this actually if you count the credit card key that came in the owners binder i got 3 keys but since the credit card key doesnt have any teeth cut in it yet i guess i wont count it  rear hatch has no padding on corners when up im waiting for the day when i bash my head on the corner horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center personal preference  the latter is probably because of the air bag its pretty much takes up all the space where youd expect to find the horn  speaking of the horn i was surprised to find that the probe comes with one of those nice merican sounding horns instead of the japanese sounding kind the previous probes had japanese horns  tires fling dirt mud onto side of car  yeah not very badly but enough to be annoying sometimes  my likes engine design valves sounds smoothness power mileage torque definitely 1 handling very good for fwd understeer only at limits transmission the 5 speed is a must usable instrumentation lovely readable analog everywhere very little torque steer at full power much better than the 90 sho i drive stability at 100 mph high gearing though low cowl good visibility in front heated outside mirrors nice in fog never tested in freezing weather abs air bag see above rear seats fold down i have few rear seat passengers so a trunk not important no shake rattle noises when going over bumps potholes still tires 225 55vr16 goodyear eagles 70 left hoping for 30k  i agree strongly with all of the above especially about the engine the interior is very very nice too very pleasing to the eye and ergonomically sound   i drive it to and from work each day on relatively smooth roads and most noticable thing is that the probes suspension doesnt like potholes when you test drive one find a potholed road somewhere around town and see if the jarring you get is tolerable  yes this cars stiff suspension isnt for everyone i personally like it but if you find it a little harsh but otherwise like the car id strongly suggest looking into the mx 6  if you have 3 passengers by all means bring them along too theyll find that they have no room in the back and youll find that the car rides differently if thats better is up to you  the problem with the back seat is that theres no leg room plenty of head room though shorter people fit back there without any complaints so long as the seat they are sitting behind is pulled forward a bit to give them a place to put their feet  also theres a lot of glass around you which i wasnt expecting the temperature inside the car gets pretty hot in the summer my back seat passengers now very few complain about the lack of ventilation you may want to consider that when combined with the heat  the power moonroof can greatly improve the ventilation throughout the car i really enjoy the moonroof by the way but then ive always been a sucker for open air driving no leakage problems or anything like that yet  ive heard that the exhaust system has trouble but mine works fine  i havent heard about this one i know that some of the very early probes 89 and maybe 90 had problems with prematurely rusting mufflers which ford will replace at no charge but i havent heard about anything like this concerning the 93 probes  i havent had any real trouble with this car outside of a cv joint boot that was leaking but the dealer took care of that promptly and even gave me a free rental car for the day and a half that i was without my car i was quite happy with the way they handled especially considering that i was expecting the worst from them  from what ive heard it sounds like ford mazda had some qc problems with the probe and probably mx 6 when they first went into production but i think these problems have mostly been corrected at this point thats almost always to be expected with a completely new car like this though  hope this helps  chuck  chuck kesler internet chuck eos ncsu edu unix systems programmer us mail box 7901 ncsu campus engineering computer operations raleigh nc 27695 usa north carolina state university phone 1 919 515 2458 
medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article c5l9ws jn2 unx sas com sasghm theseus unx sas com gary merrill writes  in article 1993apr16 155919 28040 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes genes this fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out binding assays the result was a well conserved 400 or so bp sequence  but why do you characterize this as a flight of fancy or a fantasy  the fantasy was that he had found something of fundamental importance to one of the hot questions of the day 77 he really had very little reason to believe it other than raw hope by fantasy i certainly dont mean velikovskian manias  some other theory or domain i would offer some rather well known examples such as toricellis puy de dome experiment done for the sake of his sea of air hypothesis  im not familiar with the history of this experiment although arguably i should be  surprising well given the prior explanations of the phenomena involved it certainly be counted as so was the theory constructed and the experiment designed out of perfectly rational grounds well there was a pretty successful and well know theory of fluids the analogy to fluids by toricelli is explicit the novelty was in thinking of air as a fluid but this was quite a novelty at the time was the theory interesting yes was it new well one could argue that it was merely the extension of an existing theory to a new domain but i think this begs certain questions we can debate that if you like  i think that it is enough if his contemporaries found the result surprising thats not what id quibble about what id like to know are toricellis reasons for doing his experiment not the post hoc constructed reasons but the thoughts in his head as he considered the problem it may be impossible to know much about toricellis thoughts thats too bad if it is so one of root bernsteins services to science is that he has gone rooting about in pasteurs and flemings and other peoples notes and has discovered some surprising clues about their motivations pasteur never publicly admitted his plan to create mirror image life but the dreams are right there in his notebooks finally public after many years ready for anyone to read and i and my friends often have the most ridiculous reasons for pursuing results one of my best came because i was mad at a colleague for a poorly written claim i disproved the claim  of course toricellis case may be an example of a rarety where the fantasy not only motivates the experiment but turns out to be right in the end  mark  mark a fulk university of rochester computer science department fulk cs rochester edu 
windows re why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse ecktons ucs byu edu sean eckton writes  i have a microsoft serial mouse and am using mouse com 8 00 was using 8 20 i think but switched to 8 00 to see if it was any better vertical motion is nice and smooth but horizontal motion is so bad i sometimes cant click on something because my mouse jumps around i can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit then jump to the right then move smoothly for a bit then jump again maybe this time to the left about 5 inch this is crazy i have never had so much trouble with a mouse before anyone have any solutions  does microsoft think they are what everyone should be just venting steam  i had the same problem at first i thought it was the video driver and made sure i had the most current drivers because the problem was most evident at svga resolution modes it didnt help and after a bit of experimentation determined that the problem existed in standard vga resolution mode it was just much less noticeable  my mouse was an older ms serial version i bought second hand in 1990 it worked just fine in dos and dos based graphic applications on the guess that the problem was with the resolution of the mouse i borrowed a new mouse a ms bus model and tried it that solved the problem so if your mouse is old you may want to try replacing it for a newer one   sean eckton computer support representative college of fine arts and communications  d 406 hfac brigham young university provo ut 84602 801 378 3292  hfac csr byu edu ecktons ucs byu edu  signoff  russ lister rlister cti com or well connected systen uunet cti1 rlister comprehensive technologies intl inc arlington va  
windows 768x1024 trident driver wanted is there a 768x1024 trident driver for windows anywere this mode is supported by the drivers fo os 2 but i have not been able to find it for windows  768x1024 means 768 wide and 1024 high as opposed to 1024x768  any help is appreciated   peter vestman dep of computing science university of umea sweden 
cars re top 10 reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired in article 1993apr6 185328 24947 news cs brandeis edu andyh chaos cs brandeis edu andrew j huang writes in article 1993apr6 180456 17573 magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article 1993apr06 133319 7008 metrics com tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes chints iscs nus sg writes here are another ten reasons why we should all love cr  or the spectacle of macho real men who would never bother to read the magazine but are more than apt to criticize it   but thats the point we do read it or at least we did then we found that their recommendations were useless and uninformed then we write lists the cr flame war is so easy to start because they are so wrong and claim to be so right and so thorough  andy    ok if you are so right name a few good examples that were brought up   john  john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasnt it the black adder 
baseball re espn tbs games in article 05apr93 13661642 0023 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes does anyone know where i can get a list of nationally televised games such as espn and tbs i live on the east coast and id like to catch as many giants games as i possibly can  this list is published every week in baseball weekly   brian curran mead data central brian meaddata com  that was not swimming that was bathing a german reporter after watching 1972 olympic superstar swimmer mark spitz get badly beaten during a 1991 comeback race 
guns re batf fbi revenge am i having a vain hope that an honest investigation will occur on this thing or will it simply be whitewashed under the rug and business as usual will continue to be the order of the day in the new order who will be given the official title of thought police i wonder  and if clinton and friends have their way highly likely at this point the new order government will also have all the guns so what if 1984 is going to be ten years late i think we are going to discover that we will be paying dearly for putting this fellow in office for decades to come even some die hard supporters are having serious doubts about their savior  ahem see the war on drugs as sponsored by the bush and reagan administrations the precedent had well been set for federal agencies to step on more than a few of what people consider rights i wont make excuses for anyone but most of the damage had been done before clinton even entered the race in 92  
baseball re phills vs pirates mlb m pit phi monday 5 10 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm tuesday 5 11 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm wednesday 5 12 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm friday 6 25 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm saturday 6 26 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 05 pm sunday 6 27 philadelphia at pittsburg 11 35 am friday 7 30 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm saturday 7 31 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 05 pm sunday 8 1 pittsburg at philadelphia 11 35 am monday 9 27 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm tuesday 9 28 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm wednesday 9 29 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm thursday 9 30 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm   are these times correct  they seem as if they are 2 hrs ahead of the usual tiems for these two teams   the origin of that first message was boise which is on central time  p tierney  whoops i meant mountain time p tierney 
cars re help with 89 mitsubishi galant gs transmission in article 1r6j9linnac6 phakt usc edu rmakarem usc edu total stranger writes hi i need your help with a problem i have with a 1989 mitsubishi galant gs transmission the car has a 5 speed manual tranmission since the car was bought new while shifting from 2nd to 3rd unless i do it slowly and carefully it makes a popping or hitting sound the dealer and mitsubishi customer service reached by an 800 say this is normal for the car is it and about a year ago at 35kmiles the stick shift handle got stuck while attempting to put it in reverse 1 the shifter would not budge the clutch had no effect 2 the front tires would not budge even when the clutch is fully depressed 3 if the clutch is released the engine would die 4 assuming that some gear was engaged while the shifter was stuck i could not make the car move it acted as if it were in neutral except for dying when clutch is released 5 i finally was able to release the shifter by having someone rock the car back and forth less than an inch while i depressed the clutch and jiggled the shifter 6 the shifter acted normally after that  when this happened i took it to the dealer they checked the clutch it was o k they checked the transmission it was o k  i had the exact problem a couple of months ago and again last week the dealer says there is nothing they can do because mitsubishi the 800 says they have never heard of the problem and the dealer could not reproduce the problem while they had the car in all three occurances the car was parked head first in a garage and since the front wheels were stuck the car could not be towed to the dealer before releasing the shifter hence temporarily solving the problem and the dealer and mitsubishi refused to send someone to check the car while it was stuck i know there is smething wrong with the transmission shifting from 2nd to 3rd and getting stuck at random but i cant get the dealer to fix it i need your help with the mechanical problems and with how to handle mitsubishi all hints and suggestions are greatly appreciated and sorry to bore you with the long post  thanks rabih   try another dealer sometimes the sophistication of equipment etc is better at one dealer than another you may also find another dealer willing to help you with the problem  joe 
baseball re pleasant yankee surprises in article 120399 netnews upenn edu sepinwal mail sas upenn edu alan sepinwall writes farrs era is in the 20s or 30s and howes is infinite i didnt think such a thing was possible but it is   actually according to usa today howe has 1 inning atttributed to him but maybe that is incorrect by the excellent report 
cars re warning please read in article 1993apr15 173851 25846 convex com tobias convex com allen tobias wrote   society as we have known it it coming apart at the seams the basic reason is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is no big deal kids see hundreds on murderous acts on tv we can abort children on demand and kill the sick and old at will so why be surprised when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people they dont care because the message they hear is life is cheap  i think this is getting a little overheated highway robbers have been a part of life since the middle ages at least its human nature to look at history through rose colored glasses but random acts of violence have been a ceaseless part of our heritage overall life is better now than it ever was then its just that random individual acts of violence have never been historically significant and record keeping in the past was never good enough to retain them all  steve wall 
medicine re nose picking stephen mont cs missouri edu stephen montgomery smith writes 1 does it cause the body any harm if one picks ones nose for example might it lead to a loss of ability to smell  2 is it harmful for one to eat ones nose pickings  ive seen children do this and wondered about something if the mucus in ones nose collects filters particles going into the airway if a child then picks and ingests this material might it have a vaccinatory effect since if the body ingests airborne diseases or other stuff on the mucus the body might generate antibodies for this small invasion  maybe this is why some children dont get sick very often tom  internet mvac23 thomas udel edu or thomas mvac23 udel edu home lapp cdhub1 dnet dupont com work osi c us a mci s lapp d id 4398613 uucp ucbvax mcvax uunet udel mvac23 thomas location newark de usa  
medicine re pregnency without sex mmatusev radford vak12ed edu melissa n matusevich writes  speaking of educational systems i recently had a colleague tell me that the reason one of our fifth grade students is so physically developed is because she was sexually abused as a younger child this she went on to say kicks the pituitary gland into action and causes puberty   nonsense ive taught fifth sixth seventh there are a few early puberty types in fifth and it has nothing to do with early sexual experience  jackie  
medicine help looking for a medical journal article whiplash cervical pain hi i am not sure where to post this message please contact me if im way off the mark on 19 3 93 my wife went to her general practitioner doctor he mentioned an article from a medical journal that is of great interest to us he had read it in the previous three months but has been unable to find it again the article was about whiplash injury cervical pain it mentions the use of a mri magnetic resonance imagery machine as a diagnostic tool and the work of a neurosurgeon who relived cervical pain this article is most likely in an australian medical journal i very much want to obtain the name of the article journal and author because the case matches my wife we would very much appreciate anyones help in this matter via email preferably  gavin anderson email ganderson cmutual com au analyst programmer phone 61 3 607 6299 colonial mutual life aust acn 004021809 fax 61 3 283 1095 some people never consciously discover their antipodes   gavin anderson email ganderson cmutual com au analyst programmer phone 61 3 607 6299 colonial mutual life aust acn 004021809 fax 61 3 283 1095  
cars viper  last night i had a dream that my dad bought a viper i took it out for a test drive without his knowledge and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket wierd dream i wonder what it means  roy  
medicine faq typing injuries 3 4 keyboard alternatives monthly posting archive name typing injury faq keyboards version revision 5 11 date 1993 04 13 01 20 43   answers to frequently asked questions about keyboard alternatives   the alternative keyboard faq copyright 1992 1993 by dan wallach dwallach cs berkeley edu  the opinions in here are my own unless otherwise mentioned and do not represent the opinions of any organization or vendor  current distribution sci med occupational sci med comp human factors news sci comp answers and e mail to c health iubvm ucs indiana edu sorehand vm ucsf edu and cstg l vtvm1 cc vt edu  changes since previously distributed versions are marked with change bars to the right of the text as is this paragraph  information in this faq has been pieced together from phone conversations e mail and product literature while i hope its useful the information in here is neither comprehensive nor error free if you find something wrong or missing please mail me and ill update my list thanks  all phone numbers unless otherwise mentioned are u s a phone numbers all monetary figures unless otherwise mentioned are u s a dollars  products covered in this faq using a pcs keyboard on your workstation compatibility issues apple computer inc key tronic flexpro dragon systems the bat datahand comfort keyboard system kinesis ergonomic keyboard maltron the tony ergonomic keysystem the vertical the mikey the wave the minimal motion computer access system twiddler half qwerty microwriter braille n speak octima accukey  gif pictures of many of these products are available via anonymous ftp from soda berkeley edu pub typing injury 128 32 149 19 i highly recommend getting the pictures they tell much more than i can fit into this file  if you cant ftp send me mail and ill uuencode and mail them to you theyre pretty big   using a pcs keyboard on your workstation compatibility issues  mini outline 1 spoofing a keyboard over the serial port 2 x terminals 3 next 4 silicon graphics 5 ibm rs 6000 6 other stuff  1 spoofing a keyboard over the serial port  if youve got a proprietary computer which uses its own keyboard sun hp dec etc then youre going to have a hard time finding a vendor to sell you a compatible keyboard if your workstation runs the x window system youre in luck you can buy a cheap used pc hook your expensive keyboard up to it and run a serial cable to your workstation then run a program on the workstation to read the serial port and generate fake x keyboard events  the two main programs ive found to do this are kt and a2x  a2x is a sophisticated program capable of controlling the mouse and even moving among widgets on the screen it requires a server extension xtest dec xtrap or xtestextension1 to find out if your server can do this run xdpyinfo and see if any of these strings appear in the extensions list if your server doesnt have this you may want to investigate compiling x11r5 patchlevel 18 or later or bugging your vendor  kt is a simpler program which should work with unextended x servers another program called xsendevent also exists but i havent seen it  both a2x and kt are available via anonymous ftp from soda berkeley edu  2 x terminals  also a number of x terminals ncd tektronics to name a few use pc compatible keyboards if you have an x terminal you may be all set try it out with a normal pc keyboard before you go through the trouble of buying an alternative keyboard also some x terminals add extra buttons you may need to keep your original keyboard around for the once in a blue moon that you have to hit the setup key  3 next  next had announced that new next machines will use the apple desktop bus meaning any mac keyboard will work then they announced they were cancelling their hardware production if you want any kind of upgrade for an older next do it now  4 silicon graphics  silicon graphics has announced that their newer machines indigo 2 and beyond will use standard pc compatible keyboards and mice i dont believe this also applies to the power series machines its not possible to upgrade an older sgi to use pc keyboards except by upgrading the entire machine contact your sgi sales rep for more details  5 ibm rs 6000  ibm rs 6000 keyboards are actually similar to normal pc keyboards unfortunately you cant just plug one in you need two things a cable converter to go from the large pc keyboard connector to the smaller ps 2 style din 6 and a new device driver for aix believe it or not ibm wrote this device driver recently i used it and it works however they dont want me to redistribute it ive been told judy hume 512 823 6337 is a potential contact if you learn anything new please send me e mail  6 other stuff  some vendors here notably health care keyboard co and accucorp support some odd keyboard types and may be responsive to your queries regarding supporting your own weird computer if you can get sufficient documention about how your keyboard works either from the vendor or with a storage oscilloscope you may be in luck contact the companies for more details   apple adjustable keyboard apple computer inc sales offices all over the place  availability february 1993 price 219 supports mac only  apple has recently announced their new split design keyboard the keyboard has one section for each hand and the sections rotate backward on a hinge the sections do not tilt upward the keys are arranged in a normal qwerty fashion  the main foldable keyboard resembles a normal apple keyboard a separate keypad contains all the extended key functions  the keyboard also comes with matching wrist rests which are not directly attachable to the keyboard  as soon as soda comes back up ill have a detailed blurb from tidbits available there   flexpro keyboard key tronic phone 800 262 6006 possible contact denise razzeto 509 927 5299 sold by many clone vendors and pc shops  availability spring 1993 price 489 supports pc only highly likely  keytronic apparently showed a prototype keyboard at comdex its another split design one thumb wheel controls the tilt of both the left and right hand sides of the main alphanumeric section the arrow keys and keypad resemble a normal 101 key pc keyboard  keytronic makes standard pc keyboards also so this product will probably be sold through their standard distribution channels   dragondictate 30k and numerous other dragon products dragon systems inc 320 nevada street newton ma 02160  phone 800 talk typ or 617 965 5200 fax 617 527 0372  shipping now  price dragondictate 30k 4995 end user system dragonwriter 1000 1595 2495 end user developer system various other prices for service contracts site licenses etc  compatibility 386 or higher pc only 3rd party support for mac  free software support for x windows is also available your pc with dragon hardware talks to your workstation over a serial cable or network the program is called a2x and is available via anonymous ftp  soda berkeley edu pub typing injury a2x tar z export lcs mit edu contrib a2x tar z most current  if you want to use your dragon product with x windows you may want to ask for peter cohen an salesman at dragon who knows more about this sort of thing  dragon systems sells a number of voice recognition products most if not all of them seem to run on pcs and compatibles including ps 2s and other microchannel boxes they sell you a hardware board and software which sits in front of a number of popular word processors and spreadsheets  each user trains the system to their voice and there are provisions to correct the system when it makes mistakes on the fly multiple people can use it but you have to load a different personality file for each person you still get the use of your normal keyboard too on the dragondictate 30k you need to pause 1 10th sec between words dragon claims typical input speeds of 30 40 words per minute i dont have specs on the dragonwriter 1000  the dragondictate 30k can recognize 30 000 words at a time the dragonwriter 1000 can recognize you guessed it 1000 words at a time  dragons technology is also part of the following products about which i have no other info  microsoft windows sound system voice pilot ibm voicetype voice navigator ii by articulate systems for macintosh emstation by lanier voice products emergency medical workstation   the bat old phone number 504 336 0033 current phone number 504 766 8082  infogrip inc 812 north blvd baton rouge louisiana 70802 u s a  ward bond main contact david vicknair did the unix software 504 766 1029  shipping now  supports mac ibm pc serial port native keyboard port version coming very soon no other workstations supported but serial support for unix with x windows has been written pc and mac are getting all the real attention from the company  a chording system one hand is sufficient to type everything the second hand is for redundancy and increased speed  price 495 dual set each one is a complete keyboard by itself 295 single  cheaper prices were offered at macworld expo as a show special   datahand 602 860 8584 industrial innovations inc 10789 north 90th street scottsdale arizona 85260 6727 u s a  mark roggenbuck contact  supports pc and mac  shipping in beta big backlog could take 3 months  price 2000 unit 1 unit 2 pods new price  each hand has its own pod each of the four main fingers has five switches each forward back left right and down the thumbs have a number of switches despite appearances the key layout resembles qwerty and is reported to be no big deal to adapt to the idea is that your hands never have to move to use the keyboard the whole pod tilts in its base to act as a mouse  see also the detailed review written by cliff lasser cal think com available via anonymous ftp from soda berkeley edu   comfort keyboard system 414 253 4131 fax 414 253 4177  health care keyboard company n82 w15340 appleton ave menomonee falls wisconsin 53051 u s a   jeffrey szmanda vice president contact  shipping now  supports pc and mac  planned future support ibm 122 key layout 3270 style i believe sun sparc decision data unisys uts 40 silicon graphics  others to be supported later the hardware design is relatively easy for the company to re configure  price 690 including one system personality module  the idea is that one keyboard works with everything you purchase compatibility modules a new cord and possibly new keycaps and then you can move your one keyboard around among different machines  its a three piece folding keyboard the layout resembles the standard 101 key keyboard except sliced into three sections each section is on a custom telescoping universal mount each section independently adjusts to an infinite number of positions allowing each individual to type in a natural posture you can rearrange the three sections too have the keypad in the middle if you want each section is otherwise normal shaped i e you put all three sections flat and you have what looks like a normal 101 key keyboard   kinesis ergonomic keyboard 206 455 9220 206 455 9233 fax  kinesis corporation 15245 pacific highway south seattle washington 98188 u s a  shirley lunde vp marketing contact  shipping now  supports pc mac and sun sparc in the works  price 690 volume discounts available the 690 includes one foot pedal one set of adhesive wrist pads and a typingtutor program an additional foot pedal and other accessories are extra  the layout has a large blank space in the middle even though the keyboard is about the size of a normal pc keyboard slightly smaller each hand has its own set of keys laid out to minimize finger travel thumb buttons handle many major functions enter backspace etc  you can remap the keyboard in firmware very nice when software wont allow the reconfig  foot pedals are also available and can be mapped to any key on the keyboard shift control whatever   maltron 44 081 398 3265 united kingdom p c d maltron limited 15 orchard lane east molesey surrey kt8 obn england  pamela and stephen hobday contacts  u s distributor jim barrett applied learning corp 1376 glen hardie road wayne pa 19087  phone 215 688 6866  supports pcs amstrad 1512 1640 bbc b bbc master mac apparently now also available   price 375 pounds 735 shipped in the u s a basically converted price shipping  the cost is less for bbc computers and they have a number of accessories including carrying cases switch boxes to use both your normal keyboard and the maltron an articulated arm that clamps on to your table and training courses to help you learn to type on your maltron  you can also rent a keyboard for 10 pounds week taxes u s price 120 month and then 60 off purchase if you want it  shipping now in your choice of colors black or grey  maltron has four main products a two handed keyboard two one handed keyboards and a keyboard designed for handicapped people to control with a mouth stick  the layout allocates more buttons to the thumbs and is curved to bring keys closer to the fingers a separate keypad is in the middle   accukey accucorp inc p o box 66 christiansburg va 24073 u s a  703 961 3576 pete rosenquist sales 703 961 2001 larry langley president  shipping now supports pc mac ibm 3270 sun sparc and televideo 935 and 955 cost 495 shipping  doesnt use conventional push keys soft rubber keys which rock forward and backward each key has three states make chords for typing keys learning time is estimated to be 2 3 hours for getting started and maybe two weeks to get used to it  currently the thumbs dont do anything although a thumb trackball is in the works  the company claims it takes about a week of work to support a new computer they will be happy to adapt their keyboard to your computer if possible   twiddler 516 474 4405 or 800 638 2352 handykey 141 mt sinai ave mt sinai ny 11766  chris george president  shipping now  price 199  supports pc only mac and x windows in the works  the twiddler is both a keyboard and a mouse and it fits in one hand you type via finger chords shift control etc are 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buy one now  supports pc only although the infogrip compatible version might work with a mac  in a one handed version there is exactly one button per finger in a two handed version you get four buttons per finger and the thumbs dont do anything you can also get one handed versions with three thumb buttons compatible with the infogrip bat basically get it any way you want  they also have a software tutorial to help you learn the chording  works on a pc under dos not windows planning on macintosh and pc windows support no work has been done on a unix version yet   half qwerty canada 416 749 3124 the matias corporation 178 thistledown boulevard rexdale ontario canada m9v 1k1  e mail ematias dgp toronto edu  supports mac and pc but not windows  demo for anonymous ftp explorer dgp toronto edu pub half qwerty  price 129 95 higher in canada quantity discounts available shipping now  this thing is purely software no hardware at all  the software will mirror the keyboard when you hold down the 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woltring woltring nici kun nl dan sorenson viking iastate edu chris vanharen vanharen mit edu ravi pandya ravi xanadu com leonard h tower jr tower ai mit edu dan jacobson dan jacobson att com jim cheetham jim oasis icl co uk cliff lasser cal think com richard donkin richardd hoskyns co uk paul rubin phr napa telebit com david erb erb fullfeed com bob scheifler rws expo lcs mit edu chris grant chris grant um cc umich edu scott mandell sem1 postoffice mail cornell edu  and everybody else who ive probably managed to forget  the opinions in here are my own unless otherwise mentioned and do not represent the opinions of any organization or vendor  dan wallach one of the most attractive features of a connection dwallach cs berkeley edu machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces office 510 642 9585 of its cabinet cm paris ref manual v6 0 p48 
religion re 666 mark of the beast need info on a slightly different note  there are two buildings in ny state with big 666 numbers on the roof  one in manhattan and one near garden city the garden city one is a nice black unmarked building    join the pythagorean reform church repent of your evil irrational numbers and bean eating ways accept 10 into your heart call the pythagorean reform church bbs at 508 793 9568  
medicine re ra treatment question eulenbrg carson u washington edu julia eulenberg writes  im assuming that you mean rheumatoid arthritis ra ive never heard of the cold treatment you mentioned i cant imagine how it would work since most of us who have rh arthr ra seem to have more problems in cold weather than in warm weather would be interested to hear more z z   no obviously talking about research assistants i favor a high protein low fat diet barely adequate salary on a fixed time schedule four hours of sleep a night continuous infusion of latte unpredictable praise mixed randomly with anxiety provoking everpresent glances with lowered eyebrows unrealistic promises of rapid publication and every three months a dinner consisting of nothing but microbrewery ale and free pretzels actually mine hails from san diego and indeed has more problems in seattle in cold weather than in warm  doug fitts dfitts u washington edu    
medicine re centi and milli pedes in article 35004 castle ed ac uk gtclark festival ed ac uk g t clark writes msnyder nmt edu rebecca snyder writes  does anyone know how posionous centipedes and millipedes are if someone was bitten how soon would medical treatment be needed and what would be liable to happen to the person  just for clarification i have not been bitten by one of these but my house seems to be infested and i want to know just in case  rebecca   millipedes i understand are vegetarian and therefore almost certainly will not bite and are not poisonous centipedes are carnivorous and although i dont have any absolute knowledge on this i would tend to think that youre in no danger from anything but a concerted assault by several million of them  g not sure of this but i think some millipedes cause a toxic reaction sting so i would not assume that they are not dangerous merely on the basis of vegetarianism after all wasps are vegetarian too dnc 
medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition  in article 1993apr16 155919 28040 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes  flights of fancy and other irrational approaches are common the crucial thing is not to sit around just having fantasies they arent of any use unless they make you do some experiments ive known a lot of scientists whose fantasies lead them on to creative work usually they wont admit out loud what the fantasy was prior to the consumption of a few beers  simple example warren jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a dna electrophoresis gel of human alu fragments he got very excited hoping that hed seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic genes this fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out binding assays the result was a well conserved 400 or so bp sequence  but why do you characterize this as a flight of fancy or a fantasy while i am unfamiliar with the scientific context here it appears obvious that his speculation for lack of a better or more neutral word was at least in significant part a consequence of his knowledge of and acceptance of current theory coupled with his observations it would appear that something quite rational was going on as he attempted to fit his observation into that theory or to tailor the theory to cover the observation this does not seem like an example of what most would normally call a flight of fancy or a fantasy   it is not clear to me what you mean by rational vs irrational perhaps you can give a few examples of surprising experiments that were tried out for perfectly rational reasons or interesting new theories that were first advanced from logical grounds the main examples i can think of are from modern high energy physics which is not typical of science as a whole  well i think someone else in this thread was the first to use the word also extra scientific etc nor am i prepared to give a general account of rationality in terms of examples there is some danger of beginning to quibble over what a surprising experiment is what counts as surprising etc the same may be said about logical grounds my point is that quite frequently perhaps even most frequently the roots of a new theory can be traced to previously existing theories or even to previously rejected hypotheses of some other theory or domain i would offer some rather well known examples such as toricellis puy de dome experiment done for the sake of his sea of air hypothesis was this theory and the resulting experimental test surprising well given the prior explanations of the phenomena involved it certainly must be counted as so was the theory constructed and the experiment designed out of perfectly rational grounds well there was a pretty successful and well know theory of fluids the analogy to fluids by toricelli is explicit the novelty was in thinking of air as a fluid but this was quite a novelty at the time was the theory interesting yes was it new well one could argue that it was merely the extension of an existing theory to a new domain but i think this begs certain questions we can debate that if you like  gary h merrill principal systems developer c compiler development sas institute inc sas campus dr cary nc 27513 919 677 8000 sasghm theseus unx sas com mcnc sas sasghm 
guns re insane gun toting wackos unite in article 1576 heimdall sdrc com crrob sony1 sdrc com rob davis writes do you know how many deaths each year are caused by self inflicted gun shot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters  no but i have several other breakdowns of accidental shootings ive never seen one that specifically provides the info that davis insists that he has so id love to have a cite  if you fall for example and land on the handgun or cause a sudden blow the gun will discharge  wrong theres one gun design where that can happen and it is supposed to be carried with the hammer over an unloaded chamber cocking the gun turns the cylinder so that a loaded cylinder is under the hammer in other words it can be usefully carried in a safe manner other handgun designs dont have that property if their trigger isnt pulled the hammer cant hit the firing pin  the number of people killed in this manner far outweighs the number of deaths caused by animal attacks or wacko attacks combined  the breakdowns that i do have include the above category from them i can safely say that if davis is right in all of his claims a large negative number of people are killed by animals because we know that the number of killings by wackos is reasonably large and that the number of accidents due to gun failures which is a superset of the described circumstance is near zero  i can find the figures if you dont believe me  please do include a cite for those of us who like looking at context make sure that your source excludes other types of accidents and suicides that are misreported gun cleaning accident is police speak for the family needs the insurance money  andy  
baseball re royals final run total k mitchell bose kbos carina unm edu wrote the toronto blue jays scored 329 oh fine well ignore that one coming from 1981 and all  thatll teach me not to qualify my statements  in 1978 the oakland as scored a thundering 532 runs bleah  ok something to shoot for the royals will score 531 runs or less this season although they just decided to get mcrae out of the leadoff spot  of course valentine will throw this one back in my face when the royals even manage to outscore another al team   sean   sean sweda sweda css itd umich edu css itd consultant p gammons idiotic quote of the week gm manager motor city marauders theres no better home run park in internet baseball league baseball than tiger stadium 4 17 
windows off line mail for netnews are there any off line mail readers for the net news in qwk format it would be really helpfull to be able to download the net news from a vax or mainframe and read it off line   adam hodge  arhodge miavx1 acs muohio edu  
guns re 2nd amendment dead good date 18 apr 93 00 13 19 0500 from jrm gnv ifas ufl edu  yea there are millions of cases where yoy say that firearms deter criminals alas this is not provable  in my case i am alive thanks to a gun that is provable even in your twisted logic  i think that that there are actually few cases where this is so  no wrong again brain trust  the bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary opponents  huh what planet are you from  the 2nd amendment is dead accept this find another way  wrong not as long as freedom remains  ps get a dictionary   faustus gun of the month club hmmm glock 10mm this month sig 226 next 
cars re auto air conditioning without freon  it is actually simple in principle porous adsorbents like zeolite and activated carbon can adsorb gases evaporated from the adsorbate water or methanol etc giving the cooling effect upon being heated the gas saturated adsorbent bed will give off the gases which are then to be condensed this forms the adsorption refrigeration cycle the only problem is that the cop is very low 0 2 0 6  max   max g q lu phd internet mgqlu ntu ac sg division of thermal enginerring bitnet mgqlu ntuvax bitnet school of mpe nanyang technological university phone 65 7994818 nanyang avenue singapore 2263 fax 65 7911859 
medicine re drop your drawers and the doctor will see you  this is not an unusual practice if the doctor is also a member of a nudist colony     sir i admit your genral rule that every poet is a fool but you yourself may serve to show it that every fool is not a poet a pope 
medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in rec food cooking packer delphi gsfc nasa gov charles packer writes is there such a thing as msg monosodium glutamate sensitivity i saw in the ny times sunday that scientists have testified before an fda advisory panel that complaints about msg sensitivity are superstition anybody here have experience to the contrary  i know that there is msg sensitivity when i eat foods with msg i get very thirsty and my hands swell and get a terrible itchy rash i first experienced this problem when i worked close to chinatown and ate chinese food almost everyday for lunch now i cant tolerate msg at all i can notice immediately when i have eaten any i try to avoid msg completely  interesting fact though is that all three of my children started experiencing the exact same rash on their hands i couldnt understand why because i dont msg in cooking and we ask for no msg when we do eat chinese i still love it after some investigation i knew that oodles of noodles where one of their favorite foods one of the main ingredients in the flavor packets is msg now i look at all labels you would be surprised at places you find msg    betty harvey harvey oasys dt navy mil david taylor model basin adp networking and communication assessment carderock division branch naval surface warfare code 1221 center bethesda md 20084 5000 dtmb cd nswc  301 227 3379 fax 301 227 3343  
guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article c5vgme goa usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf writes in article c5v9fv krt news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes in article c5uhuo awq usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf writes in article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu nathan engle writes yeah as information trickles in funny how that works  funny yeah funny how you didnt wait for the fbi spokesdroid latest reversal of facts before proclaiming the bds burned themselves to death  if you wont believe anything the government says and the press is not reliable according to the same logic then what do you base your statements on wild speculation laced with a healthy dose of paranoia  are you a moron or just illiterate the facts that the fbi  neither  proclaimed on monday suddenly werent facts anymore by the tuesday press conference  you dont have to pay attention to any one source neither do you have to abandon your critical thinking but to disregard all sources of information as lies and distortions and substitute your own pet theories is more likely to get you wild untruths than by basing your theories on the facts as they are reported by the media and the government  there has beed no evidence of anyone setting the fire deliberately you simpleton so  actually there was evidence of the fire being set deliberately both testamony by the survivors and ir tape showing the fire being set in 3 places and the petrochemical soot that the fire was giving off indications of kerosine or gasoline feeding the fire  you might not believe 1 or 2 if you are totally paranoid or very skeptical but my 3rd point is visible to anyone who watches the tapes of the fire and has started a bbq grill  what are you basing your statements on oh i forgot youre the guy that doesnt know microwave oven need electricity never mind  ho ho ho i listen to npr watch cnn nbc i also read the papers where do you get yours   personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were 
guns re waco clinton press conference part 1 in article 1993apr21 021301 25113 r node hub org ndallen r node hub org nigel allen writes here is a press release from the white house  number one that there was a limit to how long the federal authorities could maintain with their limited resources the quality and intensity of coverage by experts there  lucky they brought the situation to a prompt resolution before they had to turn things over to the amateurs  they might be needed in other parts of the country  god help us all   cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet  
guns re militia incredibly long in article c5n0vy ej6 ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge writes in article 1qna9m nq8 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article c5l0n2 5ll ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge writes but do you knew how much organization is required to training a large group of poeple twice a year just to try to get the same people every year provide a basic training to new people so they can be integrated into the force and find a suitable location it requires a continually standing committee of organizers  again my response is so what is mr rutledge arguing that since the local and federal governments have abandoned their charter to support such activity and passed laws prohibiting private organizations from doing so that they have eliminated the basis for the rkba on the contrary to anyone who understands the game they have strengthened it  no i originally argued that the second amendment was a little bit and an anachronism these prohibiting laws are examples why the are an anachronism after all laws in made by representatives of the people these representatives of the people have already decided that the second amendment does not apply or is too broad in some cases since these representatives feel an unconditional interpretation is not wanted then it is probable that they majority of the people feel the same way if this is so it is an example of the people using their power of government if this is not how the people feel the people should stand up and state their wishes  wrong neglecting that the government and media have bullshitted the people almost nonstop on this issue constitutional limitations are there to prevent a tyrrany of the majority for example a majority could vote that given ethnics have no rights are not people etc and it would fly using the logic above  when government feels the constitution is not right for the times there is a procedure called an amendment to the constitution this is deliberately difficult and cumbersome to prevent abuse of those who decide to ignore the people or impose unjust policies of a majority on a minority a lynch mob is a majority remember outvoting the hangee  what the government is doing are violations end runs around the limitations on the government probably because they know that the people would be very hard to convince that a good intention is behind tampering with the bill of rights government propeganda on guns has been very strong and persistant but not that strong and it just shows how gullible the people have become to i am from the government and am here to help you sort of line we have been lied to fed half truths rigged stats while the government knows their control laws have no effect on crime they want a government monopoly on force pure and simple do you really want the government to be able to override constitutional limitations by a simple vote of a bunch of elitists congresscritters i sure dont the founding fathers sure as hell didnt either  mox nix mr rutledge you are the only one here claiming that the rkba is dependent on the existence of a top flight well regulated militia why this is a false assumption has already been posted a number of times  no i simple stated that the people have a right to join a well organized militia and i have also stated that a militia that meets once or twice a year is clearly well organized and this state of readiness that i have claimed the people have a right to is the same state of readiness expected of the militia as stated by hamilton  you better read the senate subcommitte on the constitution regarding the second amendment and a linguists analisys of the second itself in the meanwhile show us some stuff to back up your assertions and yes i have the above mentioned documents and more online   pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 pat myrto seattle wa if all else fails try uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former albert einstien 
religion re christian meta ethics in lsjc8cinnmc1 saltillo cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes  in article c554f5 3gf panix com mls panix com michael siemon writes  the issue then is this  christian a says behavior such and such is sinful what is christian b supposed to do with such a statement  one possibility always exists a may be able to persuade b that the behavior in question does exhibit a failure in loving god or neighbor  michael modern liberal that he is reads a fairly benign meaning into this word he then constructs his religious beliefs around this understanding reading other scripture in the context of these commandments with love benignly understood  i regard love as no more or less benign than any other christian does you are merely expressing approval of the consequences i find therein which says more about our politics and cultural trappings than about my or any religion love is a highly ambiguous word of which christians can write both the gentle words paul uses of it in 1 corinthians in a passage that even the conservatives will quote at you and the words of t s eliot in his pentacost hymn love is the unfamiliar name that wove the intolerable shirt of flame  this is in any case rather to the side of what i was attempting to raise in my note as will become more evident below  as a non believer i find michaels christianity kinder and gentler  blechhh i think you are misreading me rather seriously though given my principle that one cannot force ones own notion of sin on another and my unshakeable disestablishmentarianism russel turpin and others believers and unbelievers alike are under no threat of my legislating my own understanding of christian love  if i take him at his word he cannot condemn the inquisitors because they were also following these commandments as they understood them if  you misread i can do and have repeatedly done a complete bill of accusation against the inquisition by exhibiting in as thorough a form as anyone might want a demonstration of the harm it has done to human beings in the first place and to respect for let alone love of god in near succession please go back to my quoted words above  the possibility that always exists is that i or to revert to proper time sequence my predecessors over the last several centuries could persuade christian b of my case that the inquisition does indeed constitute an egregious violation of the law of love i must also note that the majority of christians have been so persuaded by christian argumentation as well as by secular both christian and non christian prohibitions  what mr turpin alludes to is a trickier point  a i demonstrate the human pain and violation of love involved in the inquisition  b the inquisitor responds that mother church must however painful this seems discipline her children for their own good in this case the salvation of their souls or if the tortured heretic will not recant than by bad example deterring others from the same loss of soul  a i point out that this justification of a failure in love depends on a highly speculative construal of texts and of philosophical assertions that are quite undemonstrable  b burns me at the stake  my rhetoric has failed but the point i am making is sustained what is going on here has a lot to do with cultural baggage in this case the baggage includes a nearly universal and absolutely secular belief that an accused person must prove innocence and that testimony is most believable if taken under torture the elimination of inqisitorial practice in those places where it has been eliminated or at least greatly reduced has very little if anything to do with the discussion of sin in the exchange between a and b  mr turpin is pointing out that if i am a versus the grand inquisitors b then my persuasion is not very likely to work i know this and in what ever personal agony i consign the issue to god and my ghostly defense attorney so one possibility fails in this case as it will fail in may others at the other extreme the persuasion will succeed when it properly should not if it entails mistaken assumptions i share with the inquisitor and that is potentially an even more troubling case in that many of the victims of inquisition will have accepted that they were in fact sinful in such random cases as they may actually have been guilty of charges brought against them  the point is that the persuasion breaks down when the parties do not share enough to agree on all the cultural baggage and given the main thrust of the inquisition against heresy it is bound to break down in precisely the worst cases the conservative i dont think that is the right word btw will take refuge in what i attribute to b above that he is justified in causing harm because he thinks that works to a greater good but this is a violent and extravagant refusal to follow the gospel as if ones theories about sin entitled one to cast aside jesus words on dealing with sinners cf matthew 5 39ff  i am a radical christian only in that i take the gospel seriously  or for that matter what does it mean to love ones fellow man and what is the right thing and how does one go about loving god  well the whole point of making these the base commandments is that they arent reducible to rules a set of rules is a moral code or a law code or an algorithm for acting such things can be very helpful to individuals or societies but not if they are used instead of a personal involvement in and responsibility for ones actions the great commandment is more than anything else a call to act as if you were god and accepting ultimate responsibility in your every action a demand that i like most would rather not hear but it keeps popping up nonetheless along with the reassurance that it is more important that i be open to trying this than succeeding at it conservatives may twist this act as if you were god to mean lay down rules for other people and be as nasty to them as possible if they dont keep your rules they are so insistent and obvious about this that they have convinced a lot of people who rightly reject the whole concept that such idiocy is how god acts that after all is the standard accusation against god by the atheists here and elsewhere that the conservatives have confused their manipulative hoop jumping notions of coercing other people with the nature of god is almost the entire content of standard american atheism and i quite agree with it on this point  ethical systems are not differentiated by the nice sounding goo up front much of which sounds pretty much the same but by the specific acts procedures and arguments that they recommend  and different bodies of christians have from the beginning urged different ethical systems or in some cases none as a result it is bizarre to identify any one of these systems however popular or infamous with christianity christianity does not have a torah it does not have a quran specifically christian scripture has very little if anything in the way of commandments so little that the christians who desperately want commandments go mining for them with almost no support and thus almost no obvious limitation for their efforts the one single thing in the gospels which jesus specifically gives as a commandment to us is love one another  i will be expanding on this point in a reply to paul hudson that i hope to get to in a day or so it is quite true that some christians infer lots of commandments from the nt ill point out what has to be going on in these inferences and why there is a huge amount of cultural baggage involved  you are quite right that this is goo if one is looking for an ethical system  but why should anyone be looking for an ethical system since our society is eager to hand us one or more no matter what we do it may be that we need a principle for the critique of ethical systems in which case i will profer the agapate allelou once again  i am glad that a few christians such as michael find a benign meaning for the goo and then interpret the usually ugly specifics in a more constructive fashion on the other hand i do think that this tells us more about michael and christians like him that it tells us about christianity  i think you are begging the question why dont i and the myriads of other christians like me tell you something about christianity nor is this very new in christianity you might want to look up the origins and fundamental doctrines of the quakers from the 17th century onwards and they are not at all the first to understand the gospel in a manner that is congenial to my case  michael l siemon i say you are gods sons of the mls panix com most high all of you nevertheless or you shall die like men and fall mls ulysses att com like any prince psalm 82 6 7 
cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico radar radio association defending airwave rights says that geico insurance not only buys radar for police but also actively lobbies states to promote making radar detectors illegal i think the buying part is a misuse of money but the radar detector part shows how little they know about the issue no study i am aware of has ever concluded that detectors have a negative impact on safety or that users have a higher average speed incompetence by geico i think so   troy wecker troy sequent com sequent computer systems beaverton or   in article 1993apr21 171811 25933 julian uwo ca wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca wayne smith writes in article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu david g wonnacott writes im considering switching to geico insurance but have heard that they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim i was worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim i have also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident  ive read in this group that geico has funded the purchasing of radar guns by police depts im not sure where 
guns re the usual kendall lds loral com colin kendall 6842 writes  i just heard some anti gun control people giving the usual arguments its everyones right to bear arms and the way to solve the problem of people getting killed by guns is better law enforcement  it strikes me that this argument could be logically extended as follows  a nuclear weapon is an arm hence anyone has a right to have nuclear weapons and if someone uses his nuclear weapons to blow up new york l a and chicago thats okay as long as we have a good police force capable of finding him and putting him in jail which will serve as a deterrent to others  do any anti gun control people disagree with this and if so why  yes i am pro gun and yes i do disagree with this statement nuclear weapons in and of themselves are dangerous radioactive decay of plutonium and uranium as well as the tritium in the weapon tends to be somewhat dangerous to living things can you say neutron flux plus these things have no self defense purposes its kinda hard to justify their use as a militia weapon when at best they are meant for battlefield use low yield weapons or at worst for industrial target obliteration translation cities and population centers not to mention that for it to be used as a militia weapon and expect the user to live requires some sort of launch vehicle  aaron arc cco caltech edu 
religion re spreading christianity re christian extremist kills doctor david r sacco dsav andrew cmu edu writes not to be too snide about it but i think this christianity must be a very convenient religion very maliable and suitable for any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and reinterpret the bits that dont match with ones desires it is in fact so convenient that were i capable of believing in a god i might consider going for some brand of christianity the only difficulty left then of course is picking which sect to join there are just so many  dean kaflowitz  yes christianity is convenient following the teachings of jesus christ and the ten commandments is convenient trying to love in a hateful world is convenient turning the other cheek is convenient so convenient that it is burdensome at times  dave  some christians take a 10 discount off the ten commandments sunday cannot be substituted for the sabbath  
baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr19 024222 11181 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes in article 1993apr18 032345 5178 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article 1993apr18 030412 1210 mnemosyne cs du edu gspira nyx cs du edu greg spira writes howard wong mindlink bc ca howard wong writes  has jack lost a bit of his edge what is the worst start jack morris has had  uh jack lost his edge about 5 years ago and has had only one above average year in the last 5  again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky you can count on good tomorrow lucky seems to be prone to bad starts and a bad finish last year  yes i am enjoying every last run he gives up who was it who said morris was a better signing than viola  hey valentine i dont see boston with any world series rings on their fingers  oooooo cheap shot  damn morris now has three and probably the hall of fame in his future  who cares he had two of them before he came to toronto and if the jays had signed viola instead of morris it would have been frank who won 20 and got the ring and he would be on his way to 20 this year too  therefore i would have to say toronto easily made the best signing  your logic is curious and spurious  there is no reason to believe that viola wouldnt have won as many games had he signed with toronto when you compare their stupid w l records be sure to compare their teams offensive averages too   now looking at anything like the morris viola sweepstakes a year later is basically hindsight but there were plenty of reasons why it should have been apparent that viola was the better pitcher based on previous recent years and also based on age frank is almost 5 years younger how many knew that people got caught up in the 91 world series and then on morris 21 wins last year wins are the stupidest most misleading statistic in baseball far worse than rbi or r that he won 21 just means that the jays got him a lot of runs  the only really valid retort to valentine is werent the red sox trying to get morris too oh sure they said viola was their first choice afterwards but what should we have expected they would say  and dont tell me boston will win this year they wont even be in the top 4 in the division more like 6th  if this is true it wont be for lack of contribution by viola so who cares   charles 
medicine re barbecued foods and health risk in article 79738 cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes  this reminds me of the last graham kerr cooking show i saw today he smoked meat on the stovetop in a big pot he used a strange technique id never seen before  he took a big pot with lid and placed a tray in it made from aluminum foil the tray was about the size and shape of a typical coffee table ash tray made by crumpling a sheet of foil around the edges  in the tray he placed a couple spoonfuls of brown sugar a similar quantity of brown rice he said any rice will do the contents of two teabags of earl grey tea and a few cloves  on top of this was placed an ordinary aluminum basket type steamer with two chicken breasts in it the lid was put on and the whole assembly went on the stovetop at high heat for 10 or 12 minutes  later he removed what looked like smoked chicken breasts what surprises and concerns me are  1 no wood chips where does the smoke flavor come from  2 about 5 or 10 years ago i remember hearing that carmel color obtained by caramelizing sugar a common coloring and flavoring agent had been found to be carcinogenic i believe they injected it under the skin of rats or something if the results were conclusive caramel color would not be legal in the u s yet it is still being used was the initial research result found to be incorrect or what  3 about 5 or 10 years ago i remember earl grey tea being implicated as carcinogenic because it contains oil of bergamot an extract from the skin of a type of citrus fruit does anyone know whatever happened with that story if it were carcinogenic earl grey tea could not have it as an additive yet it apparently continues to do so  wrt natural wood smoke ive smoking a duck right now as it happens ive noticed that a heavily smoked food item will have an unpleasant tangy taste when eaten directly out of the smoker if the smoke has only recently stopped flowing i find the best taste to be had by using dry wood chips getting lots of smoke right up at the beginning of the cooking process then slowly barbequing for hours and hours without adding additional wood chips  my theory is that the unpleasant tangy molecules are low molecular weight stuff like terpenes and that the smoky flavor molecules are some sort of larger molecule more similar to tar the long barbeque time after the initial intensive smoke drives off the low molecular weight stuff just leaving the flavor behind does anyone know if my theory is correct  i also remember hearing that the combustion products of fat dripping on the charcoal and burning are carcinogenic for that reason and because it covers the product with soot and some unpleasant tanginess i only grill non drippy meats like prawns directly over hot coals i do stuff like this duck by indirect heat i have a long rectangular weber and i put the coals at one end and the meat at the other end the fat drops directly on the floor below the meat and next time i use the barbeque i make the fire in that end to burn off the fat and help ignite the coals  and yet another reason ive heard not to smoke or barbeque meat is that smoked cured meat like pork sausage and bacon contains nitrosamines which are carcinogenic im pretty sure this claim actually has some standing dont know about the others  an amusing incident i recall was the duncan hines scandal when it was discovered that the people who make duncan hines cake mix were putting a lot of ethylene dibromide edb into the cake mix to suppress weevils this is a fumigant which is known to be carcinogenic the guy who represented the company in the press conference defended himself by saying that the risk from eating duncan hines products every day for a year would be equal to the cancer risk from eating two charcoal broiled steaks what a great analogy when i first heard that my immediate reaction was we should make that a standard unit one charcoal broiled steak would be equivalent to 0 5 duncans  i dont understand the assumption that because something is found to be carcinogenic that it would not be legal in the u s i think that naturally occuring substances excluding controlled substances are pretty much unregulated in terms of their use as food food additives or other consumption its only when the chemists concoct sp an ingredient that it falls under fda regulations otherwise if they really looked closely they would find a reason to ban almost everything how in the world do you suppose its legal to consume tobacco products which probably should be banned  dave allen space science engr ctr uw madison 
baseball re phills vs pirates i hate to be the burden of bad news but i think i will this time  the phillies usually play at either 7 05 p m or 7 35 p m eastern time for weekdays on sundays the time is usually 1 35 p m eastern time  boise is in idaho idaho is in part of the mountain time zone and in part of the pacific time zone the times that were given were for mountain time zone starts  please check a map in case i am wrong but i am certain that boise is in the mountain time zone   thanks for listening   the shep 
cars re im getting a car i need opinions in article 1qqp2o 5ba usenet ins cwru edu cf947 cleveland freenet edu chun h ung wan writes  in a previous article ip02 ns1 cc lehigh edu danny phornprapha says  i have 30 000 as my budget im looking for a sports or gt car  what do you think would be the best buy im looking for specific models  thanks danny     hey you programmers out there danny phornprapha  please consider this ip02 lehigh edu    bugs are another endangered earth lucc student konsultant  species needing your protection work 215 758 4141    for an all out sports car id go for the rx 7 without the sports suspension which is too stiff for a little more practicality and more comfort the nissan 300zx turbo is a good buy and for a good dose of luxury the lexus sc300 is perfect with a manual transmission of course however the toyota supra is coming out soon and if you like its looks the performance is supposed to be great almost race car like i dont particulary like the mitsubishi 3000gts or the dodge stealths as they are too heavy and arent very nimble handlers for a sports car  a motion picture major at the brooks institute of photography ca santa barbara and a foreign student from kuala lumpur malaysia  the mind is the forerunner of all states  the only thing about the 300zx turbo and new supra is theyre about 10k or more over his budget  be good and you will be lonely mark twain 
guns randy weaver trail day 3 this was posted to the firearms politics mailing list  hi folks  thursday april 15 marked day 3 of the trial  this day marked the first testimony of the trial deputy u s marshal larry cooper took the stand for the prosecution  the short version is that his testimony was consistent with the opening statements for the prosecution  cooper testified that he had arrived in spokane washington on august 17 1992 to participate in a surveillance operation with five other deputies near the weaver cabin the team was using night vision equipment for surveillance and split up into two teams of three people the six later met at an observation point above the cabin after this deputies cooper william degan and arthur roderick began a descent to scout further possible surveillance sites  cooper told the court that roderick threw two large rocks into a gully to see whether the weaver family dogs would respond striker the weavers yellow lab started toward them barking loudly roderick led the three in a run from the area  they ran through some dense woods into an open area called the fern field with the dog in pursuit by this time kevin harris and samuel weaver had joined the chase the surveillance team had reached a y in the road cooper decided that they should take cover in the woods because otherwise they would be an easy target and might be shot in the back  as degan reached the y he spotted randy weaver coming down the road from the cabin ahead weaver was startled but did not fire  at this moment striker reached degan and cooper had to fend him off with his gun it is unclear whether this means he clubbed the dog or shot the dog both cooper and degan then took cover in the woods according to cooper kevin harris and samuel weaver continued walking down the road apparently not noticing the two after they had passed by on the road degan got up on one knee raised his gun and shouted stop u s marshal harris then brought the weapon around at hip level and fired he didnt bring the weapon up to eye level i saw bills arm going back and i knew he had been hit cooper fired at harris and harris went down cooper then brought his weapon to bear on samuel but did not fire at this point cooper then heard two shots to his right samuel weaver looked in the direction of the shots yelled you son of a bitch and ran toward them cooper then realized that shots were coming at him from directly ahead so he fired a three round burst at the cabin at this point he then saw samuel weaver running toward the cabin when cooper reached degan he placed his first two fingers on degan carotid artery counted two or three beats and then his heart stopped shortly thereafter roderick and the other three marshals joined him they then all heard a large burst of gunfire from the area around the cabin  on cross examination david nevin questioned the point of throwing rocks into the gulley asking you wanted to lure that dog out so you could shoot that dog didnt you nevin also pointed out that in last septembers testimony cooper had claimed that he spotted weaver after the dog had left him cooper claimed that he had gone over the events in his head and decided that thursdays account was correct nevin continued the cross examination by asking what cooper would have done had an armed man dressed in full camouflage jumped out of the woods at him no answer was available  friday april 16 marks continued cross examination of cooper  notes there was no coverage of protestors  drew     ron phillips crphilli hound dazixca ingr com senior customer engineer intergraph electronics 381 east evelyn avenue voice 415 691 6473 mountain view ca 94041 fax 415 691 0350  
windows re challenge to microsoft supporters rsrodger wam umd edu yamanari writes id say that the massive crash problems are exceedingly rare windows itself almost never crashes but it can be crashed by an errant application my personal favorite any one of the corel 3 0 programs on the other hand i have had os 2 crash randomly a number of times mostly just running its own applications  i do know that ibm systems the ps 2 56slc2 in particular have absolutely no problem with os 2 never had a random crash while running any of my programs under os 2 in fact i dont remember ever crashing  of course i really dont run any os 2 programs just the same bunch of dos and windows stuff that ive always been running  and when i had the 56slc this is the 386slc system running dos windows i had only one crash and it was consistent ftp had a tendency to crash whenever i would get large files 1mb from particularly fast clients dtrs 150k 200k sec i figured out the problem was with smartdrvs write buffering if i turned off the write buffer everything would work fine  ftp under os 2 has never locked though i can even format floppies to use the most often cited example of the superiority of os 2  for instance im still wondering why print preview in a windowed wp 5 1 dos locks up my system  yeah i guess im willing to admit that os 2 is somewhat sensitive to specific hardware wp51 for dos works perfectly fine on my slc2  please explain the only time i wait on anything under windows is when im copying or formatting a floppy or when printing and even then not long i get 9 to 11 pages dumped to the printman per minute and can still go do things slowly while its doing this ive downloaded with pp 9600 while printing  well i save all my personal files to floppy and when i did that under windows a floppy save of a large file hung up the system  i also found it quite bothersome to have to continually tweak the tasking options on fractint for dos whenever i wanted to do a fractal computation in the background  and not being able to address your memory better than dos  not sure what you mean here  the idea is that os 2s dos sessions can see more memory than windows dos sessions i let xpl a shareware calculus program see around 720kb of free conventional memory which lets me do bigger symbolic manipulations than is possible under straight dos where it would see around 610kb of conventional ram i also found it really handy for my own dos based programs which without any re writing could now handle larger data sets simulate for more iterations etc of course the point is now moot since the os 2 programs i now write simply never run into memory limitations i never programmed for windows so i dont have much of a comparison here though 
medicine thrush was good grief was re candida albicans what is it in article aldridgec5th63 7ya netcom com aldridge netcom com jacquelin aldri writes dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes   etc   dyer youre rude medicine is not a totallly scientific endevour its often practiced in a disorganized manner most early treatment of non life threatening illness is done on a guess hazarded after anecdotal evidence given by the patient its an educated guess by a trained person but its still no more than a guess its cheaper and simpler to medicate first and only deal further with those people who dont respond   dyer is beyond rude  there have been and always will be people who are blinded by their own knowledge and unopen to anything that isnt already established given what the medical community doesnt know im surprised that he has this outlook  for the record i have had several outbreaks of thrush during the several past few years with no indication of immunosuppression or nutritional deficiencies i had not taken any antobiotics  my dentist who sees a fair amount of thrush recommended acidophilous  after i began taking acidophilous on a daily basis the outbreaks ceased when i quit taking the acidophilous the outbreaks periodically resumed i resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then  mike mccurdy university computing services disclaimer san diego state university mccurdy ucsvax sdsu edu everything i say may be wrong 
baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1qkkodinn5f5 jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo a iglesias writes in article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we werent able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help  thanks bobby    hank greenberg would have to be the most famous because his jewish faith actually affected his play missing late season or was it world series games because of yom kippur  i thought that was sandy koufax  sam    pablo iglesias pi ruth ece jhu edu  
baseball re mcrae is re torre the worst manager scott mccall com scott d davis writes   kc news was doing a report on that they said that mcrae is really a batting coach and not a manager but for some reason he took the job whatever the reason the royals need a new manager now while it is too late   and have jesse jackson picket the stadium  tim evans e i du pont de nemours co tkevans eplrx7 es dupont com experimental station 302 695 9353 7395 p o box 80357 evanstk at a1 at esvax wilmington delaware 19880 0357 
windows ctrl alt del locks the computer fafter windows   whenever i exit windows i cant use control alt del to reboot my computer because the system hangs when i do this i can still reboot using the reset key but i would like to know why this happens  eric  ebosco us oracle com 
baseball re new uniforms in 1993apr5 224631 636 virginia edu tek2q virginia edu todd karlin writes  usually one or two teams changes their logo or a minor uniform change per season but the past few seasons have been incredible any thoughts on the new old reds uniforms i remember seeing a pete rose rookie card and unless i miss my guess he was wearing the exact same duds the mets how about docs performance today have reinserted the mets patch on the shoulder and changed the mets insgnia on the front of the jersey to my knowledge it is the first time that has been changed since 1962 and it reminds me a little of the dodger logo  as far as i know toronto pittsburgh and new york nl change their uniforms every year every other year e g new york it will say mets in cursive new york in cursive or new york in all caps minor changes but they do change them often last year i think they had new york in all caps did toronto have blue jays or toronto last year what about pittsburgh  many teams have opted for a return to a previous style of uniform or at least uniforms that look more traditional phillies reds expos white sox padres etc and the once bright colors have been altered to gray the trend has also seen the newer baseball fields resembling the parks of the early years as opposed to the cookie cutter saucer stadiums construcrted throughout the sixties  i hate the gray they should opt for more color like the white sox i hate white team versus gray team spring training uniforms look much better  with salaries now reaching unbelievable highs no one in the comissioners office and inter league play on the horizon its nice to see that baseball at least looks like it was meant to be 
medicine bates method for myopia does the bates method work i first heard about it in this newsgroup several years ago and i have just got hold of a book how to improve your sight simple daily drills in relaxation by margaret d corbett authorized instructor of the bates method published in 1953 it talks about vision improvement by relaxation and exercise has there been any study on whether this method actually works if it works is it by actually shortening the previously elongated eyeball or by increasing the lenss ability to flatten itself in order to compensate for the too long eyeball  since myopia is the result of eyeball elongation seems to me the most logical approach for correction is to find a way to reverse the process i e shorten it somehow preferably non surgically has there been any recent studies on this where can i find them i know rk works by changing the curvature of the cornea to compensate for the shape of eyeball but if there is a way to train the muscles to shorten the eyeball back to its correct length that would be even better batess idea right  thanks for any information   
medicine panic disorder more success stories i posted this to sci psychology on april 3 and after seeing your post here on panice disorder thought it would be relevant    my research indicates that two schools of thought exist the literature promoting medication says its the superior treatment not surprisingly literature promoting cognitive therapy also claims to be superior  what are the facts early in my research i didnt have a bias towards either medication or cognitive therapy i was interested in a treatment that worked after reading journals published after 1986 the cognitive therapy camp claims a higher success rate approx 80 a lower drop out rate and no side effects associated with medication  lars goran ost published an excellent article titled applied relaxation description of a coping technique and a review of controlled studies this is from behav res ther vol 25 no 5 pp 397 409 1987 the article provides instructions on how to perform applied relaxation ar briefly you start with two 15 minute sessions daily and progress in 8 12 weeks to performing 10 15 thirty second sessions daily  ill snail mail this article to anyone interested usa only please international please pay for postage  mark vonwaadn kuhub cc ukans edu 
guns waco cross posted to talk politics guns from can politics  mark g salyzyn mark ve6mgs ampr org wrote cmk world std com charles m kozierok writes been to waco texas lately yes the government takes care of us all doesnt it as long as you belong to a government sanctioned religion  excuse me but didnt these gun ladden cult members threaten shoot and kill some people  they threatened no one their neighbours thought they were a little strange but all in all the kind of people you would want to live next door to  one version has the batf serving a search warrant by jumping out of a horse trailer with guns and tossing concussion grenades if this is the true order of events then the cult could not know that a search warrant was being served and since there was no proof that these guys were police the cult had every right to defend themselves  torching themselves shows briliant tactics and convinces me they realy belong in society  if you watch actual footage of the fire from start to finish it is not at all clear that fire wasnt started by the tanks the people who survived are claiming that the fire was started by the tanks knocking over some kerosene lanterns the fbi is claiming that the cult started the fire  they realy belong in society is a catchy phrase but im personally waiting to see what the texas rangers have to say about it all before i pass judgment why dont you do the same  some more interesting facts about the waco incident  1 the original assault was conducted by batf officers wearing an assorted types of camouflage i saw on cnn at least three different types i would be hard pressed to identify a bunch of guys in bring your own battle fatigues as uniformed officers of the law even if they were claiming to be police  2 the batf has been lying from the beginning we only had handguns the original footage showed 4 batf officers on a roof top getting shot at one had an mp 5 assault sub machine gun we were out gunned sub machine guns and shotguns are the best in quarters weapon you cant be out gunned when you have the best guns available for the job we didnt know they had guns that would shoot through doors this one is the best there are very few guns that wont shoot through a household door or through a house wall for that matter since officers from the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms should know that they are either lying or incredibly incompetent not to mention criminally negligent if they are shooting bullets that they think will stop when the encounter plywood we had a search warrant actually we had an arrest warrant no wait we had both yeah thats the ticket oh and theyre child molesters too and they make drugs did we mention we think they have rocket launchers the story from batf and fbi spokespeople has changed daily and their claims were getting increasingly outrageous  3 throughout the siege the fbi and batf have be claiming that one of their biggest concerns was that koresh and his followers would mass suicide now they are claiming that thats what he did and that they are surprised that he did huh  all in all i think that anything the fbi and batf say should be taken with a grain or two of salt  rob  robert a osborne uunet ca isgtec robert or robert isgtec com 
guns re another nytimes yellow sheet editorial 4 4 93 feustel netcom com david feustel writes   other uninformed purposefully ignorant gun control ranting deleted  thanks to the n r a the a t f is prohibited from researching the effectiveness of using taggants in explosives taggants are a cheap and technologically feasible microscopic additive that would help investigators at crime scenes like the world trade center bombing trace the explosives involved  i want this man to tell me how in the hell you can take the explosives used in the wtc bombing considering that the consensus seems to be that the explosive was a fertilizer based one ammonium nitrate to be exact of which about 90 000 tons disappears per year if i recall the stat correctly i dont have it here just one more disregarding of reality to push a point  more bunk deleted  aaron arc cco caltech edu 
baseball re lets talk phillies  in article 93108 164642rvesterm vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes in article 1993apr17 020347 9554 mgweed mgwhiz att com prg mgweed mgwhiz att com phil gunsul says  ps hey kids take all those pictures of dead presidents out of your parents wallets and mail them to  bob vesterman   and send him a shift key too  dave demers demers cs ucsd edu computer science engineering 0114 demers cs ucsd bitnet uc san diego ucsd cs demers la jolla ca 92093 0114 619 534 0688 or 8187 fax 619 534 7029 
windows re is there a version of unixs vi editor for windoews 3 1 pete holsberg pjh mccc edu wrote subject line says it all i looked and looked but came up empty handed  are you a pervert you are pervert ok vi is not cua but it has a powerful set of commands one for all it has 26 separate clipboard and not only one ofor all kind of data like windows does the only problem is to know the commands the keyboard shortcut i am quite fast with the pc keyboard and i usually use all fingers to digit so when i use a editor i do not want to leave the keyboard and use the mouse every time i need a special function on the menu or to use the arrow keys that are away from the usual position of my hands on the keyboard in my situation vi is very powerful and im searching to a vi editor for windows bye p s sorry for the bad english  
guns re the usual hollombe polymath tti com the polymath writes  the possession of nuclear arms actually weapons grade fissionables is currently regulated only by market forces i e to own them you have to either make them buy them or steal them the only thing that stops you is the staggering cost more than most nations can afford the fact that no one who has them wants to sell to you and the tight security maintained on existing stocks just ask saddam hussein  i was under the impression that to obtain fissionable materials i e plutonium or reactor weapons grade uranium one was required to obtain a federal permit to own such materials  given a source of fissionables you can build a bomb in your garage with parts from hardware stores and electronic junk supplies you might have to engage in some shady dealings to get the explosive charge but thats trivial compared to getting the plutonium the basic information on the design was declassified years ago and can be dug out of any technical library by a physics grad student  actually why bother looking it up from the material we covered last term in 10 weeks of ge ch 127 nuclear chemistry i could derive what it would take to build a bomb and as far as the explosive charge i as a chemist could synthesize a variety of explosives from commonly available chemicals in the garage if i felt like the electronics behind the detonator and the shaped charges are a little trickier however but not impossible using a few tricks of the trade and if i really wanted to be nasty i could include a core of hydrogen and deuterium  of course the hardest part is getting the fissionable material to start with and living long enough to put a bomb together plutonium has some nasty properties  the polymath aka jerry hollombe m a cdp aka hollombe polymath tti com head robot wrangler at citicorp laws define crime 3100 ocean park blvd 310 450 9111 x2483 police enforce laws santa monica ca 90405 citizens prevent crime  aaron arc cco caltech edu 
windows re borlands paradox offer in article 5031 cvbnetprime com tbelmont feds55 prime com tom belmonte x4858 writes i am considering buying borlands paradox for windows since i would like to use a database with windows i dont have use one yet for both work home use i would like to advantage of borlands 129 95 until april 30 offer if this package is everything that borland claims it to be so i was wondering has anybody used this and or have any opinions  yes and its pretty much what they claim i havent had time to try all of it considering the price even if you decide you dont like it it should be saleable over the next 2 3 months for what you have in it once the price goes up all in all its very serviceable and in my humble opinion more powerful than access 
guns re the truth starts to come out in article c5ua7r dad da vinci it uswc uswest com pprun august it uswc uswest com writes   i have just one thing to say about this write your congressperson the fbi and batf storm troopers must not be allowed to get away with this demand a full investigation of the waco survivors story of the lantern being knocked over by the tank we cant bring anybody back from the dead but we may be able to send a few of them to political hell  i heard over npr yesterday morning that arlan specter senator from pennsylvania has already called for a congressional investigation the problem is that specter was one of the key government attorneys several years ago who did what he could to coverup facts in the assassinations of jfk and others that is to say the chief fox wants to check out the hen house writing your representatives is a great idea when you do ask that they keep specter and his cronies far away from any investigation  would someone please post the generic addresses for congress and senate so that we can all write letters   joe gaut in the super state it really does not f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter at all what actually happened red neck and proud of it truth is what the government chooses to tell you justice is what it wants to happen jim garrison new orleans la 
medicine re analgesics with diuretics in article ofk lve00wb2avukto andrew cmu edu lawrence curcio lc2b andrew cmu edu writes i sometimes see otc preparations for muscle aches back aches that combine aspirin with a diuretic  you certainly do not see otc preparations advertised as such the only such ridiculous concoctions are nostrums for premenstrual syndrome ostensibly to treat headache and bloating simultaneously theyre worthless  the idea seems to be to reduce inflammation by getting rid of fluid does this actually work  thats not the idea and no they dont work   steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer 
medicine re smokers lungs in article 1993apr5 123315 48837 kuhub cc ukans edu bennett kuhub cc ukans edu writes how long does it take a smokers lungs to clear of the tar after quitting does your chances of getting lung cancer decrease quickly or does it take a considerable amount of time for that to happen  the answer to your first question is rather difficult to answer without doing a lot of autopsies the second question is something thats been known for some time it appears that within about 15 years of quitting smoking a persons risk for developing lung cancer drops to that of the person who never smoked assuming you do not get lung cancer in the interim the risk to someone who smoked the equivalent of a pack per day for 40 years is around 20 times as high as a non smoker still rather low overall but significant personally id be more concerned about heart disease secondary to smoking its much more common and even a small increase in risk is significant there    kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer  
religion re a kind and loving god in article 1993apr21 145336 5912 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote and does it not say in scripture that no man knows the hour of his coming not even the angels in heaven but only the father himself dk was trying to play god by breaking the seals himself dk killed himself and as many of his followers as he could btw god did save the children they are in heaven a far better place how do i know by faith  it seems faith is the only tool available for emotional purposes due to the tragedy as such it maybe fills a need however im getting tired to see children dying in pain in sudan due to lack of food and assuming that god takes these sufferers to heaven after a painful death  cheers kent  sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net 
medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1993apr26 172836 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes neither of these bacteria are obligate anaerobes with are much more important in dealing with the diarrhea problem  the diarrhea problem what diarrhea problem first candidal overgrowth is not a frequent problem during antibiotic therapy and not all cases of antibiotic related diarrhea have anything to do with candida but a case of vaginal candidiasis or oral thrush after antibiotic therapy isnt going to surprise anyone either thats not what people are disagreeing with  anti fungals a low carbohydrate diet and vitamin a supplementation may all help to minimize the local irritation until the good bacteria can take over control of the food supply again and lower the ph to basically starve the candida out  oh really whered you come up with this you know its really appalling to see you try to comment authoritatively on clinical matters in a bizarre synthesis from reading reports in the literature bobbing for citations in the research literature isnt medicine i hope youre not giving the wrong idea to your medical students   steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer 
guns re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm 0 90 2 734911642 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes overall crime rate it fell just like that  two questions when was this and do you have the relevant numbers please note this is not in any way an indication i dont believe you or that youre not correct but when the drop occured is relevant  acquiring weapons in norway you can buy almost all kinds of weapons in norway but you must have a permit and a good reason to get the permit if i would like to have a handgun i would have to get an gun licence from the police and to be a member of a gun club  the primary objection beyond ones based on the ideal of rkba that it is simply not something the government should do is that it makes guns a play thing and tool of the rich and connected it discriminates against the poor  is self defense considered appropriate and if so under what conditions are you allowed for instance to get a gun for protection if youre going to be carrying a very large sum of money on a regular basis or have been threatened  the police would check my criminal records for any serious crimes and or records of serious mental diseases  this has been suggested in the u s and generally supported among gun owners what many object to is that many if not most proposals contain a sort of gotcha clause which allows an arbitrary denial even if you qualify in every way  now if a got my licence i would have to be an active member of the gun club for 6 months before i could collect my gun its a little like getting a drivers licence isnt it you have to prove that you can drive before you are allowed to  at this point it should be pointed out that in general a drivers licence in the u s is for the most part nothing like its european counterpart i understand getting one is far more difficult there than here in the u s its a joke  but my usual objection is that youre discussing two different things for instance in the u s a drivers license is a permit to operate a motor vehicle on a public road it is not necessary to own one or to operate it on private property that is the ability to require driving permits is generally considered to arise from the governments legitimate power to enact reasonable regulations for behavior on public lands a permit to own an automobile for instance which is far closer an analogy would be a much harder thing to get past legally since it wouldnt be based on making regulations on public property but in restricting activity on private property  use of guns in crimes in norway some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners arms for a long time but these are rather the exeption most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes and mostly short time befor the crime  use of knives it is allowed to cary knifes in public but not in your belt or open you americans think its ok to have a gun but not to carry it open in public rigth  this varies widely one thing i think europeans have a difficult time with is that the u s has fifty unique jurisdictions where the laws from one state to another can be as radically different as from one country in europe to another  some places allow open carry of both guns and knives some allow concealed some prohibit both or allow one or the other and it can be either a state or local restriciton  individual vs masses yes the individual is more important than the masses but only to some extent your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses what happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of all the others  the question must be asked is the right of this individual affecting the rights of this other individual what we usually get is that the rights of this group meaning some individuals within this group here defined as people who own guns are adversely affecting the rights of some other group  if for instance bob were using his gun to attack steve youd have a point but essentially what were discussing is that becuase some person who qualifies as a member of the group people who own guns then some third person perhaps in another time zone is told that their being a member of that group is taking away somebody elses rights its like trying to punish all newspapers for the libel commited by one  the issue i believe the issue is guns and gun legislation  the issue is crime violence and murder the question is to what extent guns and gun legislation impact those  we shouldnt mix weapons and items that can serve as one if i lived in amerika i would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in home but should it have to be like that  of course not it would be nice if we didnt have to fear that other people might get it into their twisted little minds to hurt us but currently we dont have that option nor do i expect we will  do you think its wise to sell guns like candy some states do  no state does in any case theres a limit to which the state may enforce its wisdom on me freedom in general is an unwise concept if you pre emptively restrict everything which might be unwise then freedom becomes a meaningless concept  if you believe its smart neccacery to have drivers licence why do you think it should be free to buy guns  ill raise my hand against drivers licenses as currently implemented theyre a waste of time and little more than revanue generation for the state and ignored by a startling number of drivers it does not guarantee a level of skill any higher than is necessary to get your car on the road and get yourself or somebody else killed or a knowledge of traffic laws beyond what any ten year old will have picked up riding around in his parents car  but as i mentioned theyre two different things   david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al 
medicine re food related seizures in article c5uq9b lrj toads pgh pa us geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article 116305 bu edu dozonoff bu edu david ozonoff writes  many of these cereals are corn based after your post i looked in the literature and located two articles that implicated corn contains tryptophan and seizures the idea is that corn in the diet might potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder not cause it check to see if the two kellog cereals are corn based id be interested  years ago when i was an intern an obese young woman was brought into the er comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures why attending a corn festival we pumped her stomach and obtained what seemed like a couple of liters of corn much of it intact kernals after a few hours she woke up and was fine i was tempted to sign her out as acute corn intoxication  gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and  how about contaminants on the corn e g aflatoxin     michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi 
baseball yankee thoughts  yes everyone seems to be in agreement that the yankees are finally moving in the right direction they should finish over 500 this year and maybe even be in the pennent race in august however i would take back a few moves  1 the jim abbott trade i think abbott is not only an inspirational person but a great pitcher also he could win the cy young this year but he wont because the right side of the yanks infield isnt good enough so why was this not a good trade jt snow how many rookies have been able to step in and immediately have the impact that he has had so far on the angels i know its early but if youve seen this kid hit field or talk you can just tell that he is going to be a tremendous player the yanks should have kept him what about mattingly you ask well its great that the yanks have taken care of him and remained loyal but hes 10 years older than snow and just doesnt have the same bat speed as before his back injury its a shame but as a yankee fan who wants to see the best yankee team id take snow over mattingly at first the yanks also gave up two promising propects with snow for abbott besides with domingo jean brien taylor wickman militello and sterling hitchcock they are just loaded with propects i know abbotts only 26 but this was too much to give up i believe george forced this trade because he believes and hes right that abbott will be a big hit in ny however id like to see the yankees build a baseball team not an amusement show  2 wade boggs i live in boston and like wade a lot but his career is winding down and i would rather see the yanks start to develop a long term solution i e hensley muelins russ davis velarde besides wade just doesnt have any range what a shame about charlie hayes huh  3 spike owen see wade boggs id much rather see them develop dave silvestri or whoever wade and spike next to each other in the infield is going to raise the yankee staff era 1 2 point and these guys are on the down sides of their careers  4 danny tartabull yes hes put up some tremendous numbers and its nice to think about what he could do if he were ever healthy all year but he never is we should expect 120 games max out of him meanwhile gerald williams is playing at columbus and paul oneil is playing left field i believe oneil led nl outfielders in assists last year and tartabull is a poor defensive outfielder  what im basically getting at is the yanks are moving in the right direction but are not ready to win a pennent this year they should at the gm level be planning for a 1994 or 1995 world series this means getting the younger players experience in the majors now so they will be ready in a year or two  im afraid that all this stuff wreaks of george steinbrenner certainly the boggs deal was all george it looks like george is planning the right mix of veterans and young players to win a world series now the veterans are always available and can be added at any time like boston did this year develop the young players first then add the one or two veterans or in the yankees case just keep them lets all us yankee fans hope that george doesnt dismantle the terrific job stick and company have done building the yankee organization back into one of respect im really afraid that he will trade whoever it takes to patch holes today relief pitching for example george must realize that the yankees rebuilding process is still one or two years away have patience george and we will all enjoy the future fire bucky and trade the kids and its baseball hell for all loyal yankee fans for a long time  sam im not militello or millitello mandelbaum    
windows re wp pcf linux risc in article c5w9j7 jll nyongwa cam org angcl nyongwa cam org claude angers writes in article c5rx8b kzp ecf toronto edu leebr ecf toronto edu lee brian writes in article 1qu8ud 2hd sunb ocs mq edu au eugene mpce mq edu au writes in article c5o1yq m34 csie nctu edu tw ghhwang csie nctu edu tw ghhwang writes  dear friend the risc means reduced instruction set computer the risc usually has small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase the clock rate to have a high performance you can read some books about computer architecture for more information about risc  hmm not that i am an authority on risc but i clearly remember reading that the instruction set on risc cpus is rather large the difference is in addressing modes risc instruction sets are not as orthogonal is cisc    theoretically supposed to be reduced not any longer thats why everyone is arguing about risc v s cisc personally i think cisc will win out just take a look at the pentium not that i like intel architectures either but thats another story  bye   do you mean that the pentium is better than a risc or that it will outsell them all if the first you have to remember that intel cisc like the pentium are a always a generation away from the best riscs also riscs cpu are more costly because they are not sold in the same quantities not even on the same order but i remember reading about 3 years maybe 2 about a t800 from hypercube that did a 100 mips was superscallar and reordered its instruction itself so  im not 100 sure but i think the t800 was a 25mhz transputer so ya tie a gazillion of them together to get 100mips the newest is the t9000 which kicks anyones butt havent seen them used much though  anyway to respond i think the pentium cisc is better than the more advanced risc e g like the alpha etc the 66mhz pentium has approximately the same performance as the superduper 133mhz alpha here performance is the weird specint92 that everyone refers to this is what i heard the alpha still kicks in the p5s butt in fp again this is what i heard and in the computing world if you sell lots of chips like intel and make it faster like intel you are the winner like intel even though you have a sucky architecture from over 10 years ago like intel 0  if you can make a cisc chip superscalar superduperpipelined superfast with the ideas behind the risc ideology you got a cisc chip and then i admit i cant see the advantages of risc over cisc  if the latest technology is a generation behind then it sucks relatively speaking  now i may sound like i like intel but ill have to say that the p5 is some real kick butt pile of si and sio2  but i hope that motorola really catches up with the 68k line or im gonna start crying  brian   brian hojo lee hey excuse me miss could i have a gif of you leebr ecf toronto edu leebr eecg toronto edu try linux the best and free un x clone  
baseball re nl vs al  in article c5dxqp hoo news rich bnr ca bratt crchh7a9 nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes  how about game length i dont know if this is a valid statement or not but al games sure seem to last a lot longer  make sure to take the sutcliff fisk ect factor into account   russ anderson disclaimer any statements are my own and do not reflect upon my employer or anyone else c 1993 ex twins jack morris 10 innings pitched 0 runs world series mvp 
guns re riddle me this dhartung chinet chi il us dan hartung writes  gt6511a prism gatech edu cochrane james shapleigh writes on the subject of cs cn tear gas when i received my initial introduction to tear gas the first thing that came to mind was the location of the exit if there had been anything in the way corners to negotiate doors to open or any other obstacles to movement i would have had a difficult time exiting  you couldnt find a window after six hours  id bet cash 90 of the people couldnt find the window after six minutes ask anybody whos taken basic training in the military it is not at all uncommon for a few soldiers who have not properly attached and cleared their masks to require assistance exiting the chamber since that chamber has a door not just a window its likely a hell of a lot easier to exit than a multi room damaged house  dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them  
cars re how is cizeta v16t doing   in article crh 734864478 regent e technik tu muenchen de crh regent e technik tu muenchen dbp de christian huebner writes i can remember reading a track competition in some car magazine which featured the testarossa the diablo and the v16t the result was about the same i would have expected the cizeta was not only the slowest of the three but also dropped out halfway during its test laps because of smoking brakes for a sportscar it showed ridiculous performance  hm i find this hard to believe v16t weights about the same as the red head but it has hell lot more horse power perhaps its due to pre production glitches well to me it still got the most imposing styling among all the sports cars i have seen  bye  chris crh regent e technik tu muenchen de  ferrari f40 best sportscar ever built personally i dont like cars that rely on turbo power i guess everyone has their favorite car  
windows re postscript view for dos or windows  where can i find the ms windows version of ghostscript thanks   in article hjstein 93apr15145240 sunrise huji ac il hjstein sunrise huji ac i l harvey j stein writes ive been using version 2 5 2 of ghostscript and im quite satisfied with it there are actually 3 versions a plain dos version a 386 version and a windows version  harvey stein hjstein math huji ac il      m 0   
medicine re quality control in medicine in article 9307 blue cis pitt edu kenneth gilbert kxgst1 pitt edu writes situation qa activities are a routine part of every hospitals administrative function and are required by accreditation agencies there are even entire publications devoted to qa issues   indeed i spend about 60 of my time dealing with quality stuff it is a hot number two journals worth looking at are quality review bulletin pub joint commission on accreditation of healthcare organizations one renaissance boulevard oakbrook terrace il 60181 quality in health care bmj publishing group box no 560b kennebunkport me 04046  don mackie his opinions um anesthesiology will disavow 
medicine hicn611 medical news part 1 4 cut here volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993    health info com network medical newsletter  editor david dodell d m d 10250 north 92nd street suite 210 scottsdale arizona 85258 4599 usa telephone 1 602 860 1121 fax 1 602 451 1165  compilation copyright 1993 by david dodell d m d all rights reserved license is hereby granted to republish on electronic media for which no fees are charged so long as the text of this copyright notice and license are attached intact to any and all republished portion or portions  the health info com network newsletter is distributed biweekly articles on a medical nature are welcomed if you have an article please contact the editor for information on how to submit it if you are interested in joining the automated distribution system please contact the editor  e mail address editor internet david stat com fidonet 1 114 15 bitnet atw1h asuacad listserv mednews asuacad bitnet or internet mednews asuvm inre asu edu anonymous 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newsletter page i volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993     centers for disease control and prevention mmwr   rates of cesarean delivery united states 1991  source mmwr 42 15 date apr 23 1993  cesarean deliveries have accounted for nearly 1 million of the approximately 4 million annual deliveries in the united states since 1986 table 1 the cesarean rate in the united states is the third highest among 21 reporting countries exceeded only by brazil and puerto rico 1 this report presents data on cesarean deliveries from cdcs national hospital discharge survey nhds for 1991 and compares these data with previous years data on discharges from short stay nonfederal hospitals have been collected annually since 1965 in the nhds conducted by cdcs national center for health statistics for 1991 medical and demographic information were abstracted from a sample of 274 000 inpatients discharged from 484 participating hospitals the 1991 cesareans and vaginal births after a prior cesarean vbac presented in this report are based on weighted national estimates from the nhds sample of approximately 31 000 11 women discharged after delivery the estimated numbers of live births by type of delivery were calculated by applying cesarean rates from the nhds to live births from national vital registration data therefore estimates of the number of cesareans in this report will not agree with previously published data based solely on the nhds 2 stated differences in this analysis are significant at the 95 confidence level based on the two tailed t test with a critical value of 1 96 in 1991 there were 23 5 cesareans per 100 deliveries the same rate as in 1990 and similar to rates during 1986 1989 table 1 the primary cesarean rate i e number of first cesareans per 100 deliveries to women who had no previous cesareans for 1986 1991 also was stable ranging from 16 8 to 17 5 in 1991 the cesarean rate in the south was 27 6 significantly p 0 05 higher than the rates for the west 19 8 midwest 21 8 and northeast 22 6 rates were higher for mothers aged greater than or equal to 30 years than for younger women in proprietary hospitals than in nonprofit or government hospitals in hospitals with fewer than 300 beds than in larger hospitals and for deliveries for which blue cross blue shield and other private insurance is the expected source of payment than for other sources of payment table 2 the same pattern characterized primary cesarean deliveries since the early 1970s the number and percentage of births to older women increased however if the age distribution of mothers in 1991 had remained the same as in 1986 the overall cesarean rate in 1991 would have been 23 3 essentially the same as the 23 5 observed based on the nhds of the approximately 4 111 000 live births in 1991 an  hicnet medical newsletter page 1 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993  estimated 966 000 23 5 were by cesarean delivery of these an estimated 338 000 35 0 births were repeat cesareans and 628 000 65 0 were primary cesareans since 1986 approximately 600 000 primary cesareans have been performed annually in 1986 8 5 of women who had a previous cesarean delivered vaginally compared with 24 2 in 1991 of all cesareans in 1991 35 0 were associated with a previous cesarean 30 4 with dystocia i e failure of labor to progress 11 7 with breech presentation 9 2 with fetal distress and 13 7 with all other specified complications the average hospital stay for all deliveries in 1991 was 2 8 days in comparison the hospital stay for a primary cesarean delivery was 4 5 days and for a repeat cesarean 4 2 days nearly twice the duration for vbac deliveries 2 2 days or for vaginal deliveries that were not vbacs 2 3 days in 1986 the average hospital stay for all deliveries was 3 2 days for primary cesareans 5 2 days for repeat cesareans 4 7 days and for vbac and non vbac vaginal deliveries 2 7 and 2 6 days respectively  reported by office of vital and health statistics systems national center for health statistics cdc  editorial note the cesarean rate in the united states steadily increased from 1965 through 1986 however the findings in this report indicate that rates have been stable since 1986 3 because there is little evidence that maternal and child health status has improved during this time and because cesareans are associated with an increased risk for complications of childbirth a national health objective for the year 2000 4 is to reduce the overall cesarean rate to 15 or fewer per 100 deliveries and the primary cesarean rate to 12 or fewer per 100 deliveries objective 14 8 postpartum complications including urinary tract and wound infections may account in part for the longer hospital stays for cesarean deliveries than for vaginal births 5 moreover the prolonged hospital stays for cesarean deliveries substantially increase health care costs for example in 1991 the average costs for cesarean and vaginal deliveries were 7826 and 4720 respectively the additional cost for each cesarean delivery includes 611 for physician fees and 2495 for hospital charges 6 if the cesarean rate in 1991 had been 15 the year 2000 objective instead of 23 5 the number of cesarean births would have decreased by 349 000 617 000 versus 966 000 resulting in a savings of more than 1 billion in physician fees and hospital charges despite the steady increase in vbac rates since 1986 several factors may impede progress toward the year 2000 national health objectives for cesarean delivery for example vbac rates substantially reflect the number of women offered trial of labor which has been increasingly encouraged since 1982 7 of women who are offered a trial of labor 50 70 could deliver vaginally 7 a level already achieved by many hospitals 8 trial of labor was routinely offered in 46 of hospitals surveyed in 1984 the most recent year for which  hicnet medical newsletter page 2 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993  national data are available 9 when the vbac rate according to nhds data was 5 7 the year 2000 objective specifies a vbac rate of 35 based on all women who had a prior cesarean regardless of whether a trial of labor was attempted to reach the overall cesarean rate goal however increases in the vbac rate will need to be combined with a substantial reduction in the primary rate one hospital succeeded in reducing the rate of cesarean delivery by applying objective criteria for the four most common indications for cesarean delivery by requiring a second opinion and by instituting a peer review process 10 other recommendations for decreasing cesarean delivery rates include eliminating incentives for physicians and hospitals by equalizing reimbursement for vaginal and cesarean deliveries public dissemination of physician and hospital specific cesarean delivery rates to increase public awareness of differences in practices and addressing malpractice concerns which may be an important factor in maintaining the high rates of cesarean delivery 4  references  1 notzon fc international differences in the use of obstetric interventions jama 1990 263 3286 91  2 graves ej nchs 1991 summary national hospital discharge survey hyattsville maryland us department of health and human services public health service cdc 1993 advance data no 227  3 taffel sm placek pj kosary cl u s cesarean section rates 1990 an update birth 1992 19 21 2  4 public health service healthy people 2000 national health promotion and disease prevention objectives full report with commentary washington dc us department of health and human services public health service 1991 dhhs publication no phs 91 50212  5 danforth dn cesarean section jama 1985 253 811 8  6 hospital insurance association of america table 4 15 cost of maternity care physicians fees and hospital charges by census region based on consumer price index 1991 in 1992 source book of health insurance data washington dc hospital insurance association of america 1992  7 committee on obstetrics acog committee opinion no 64 guidelines for vaginal delivery after a previous cesarean birth washington dc american college of obstetricians and gynecologists 1988   hicnet medical newsletter page 3 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993  8 rosen mg dickinson jc vaginal birth after cesarean a meta analysis of indicators for success obstet gynecol 1990 76 865 9  9 shiono ph fielden jg mcnellis d rhoads gg pearse wh recent trends in cesarean birth and trial of labor rates in the united states jama 1987 257 494 7  10 myers sa gleicher n a successful program to lower cesarean section rates n engl j med 1988 319 1511 6  use of trade names and commercial sources is for identification only and does not imply endorsement by the public health service or the u s department of health and human services                                 hicnet medical newsletter page 4 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993  malaria among u s embassy personnel kampala uganda 1992  source mmwr 42 15 date apr 23 1993  the treatment and prevention of malaria in africa has become a challenging and complex problem because of increasing drug resistance although the risk of acquiring malaria for u s citizens and their dependents stationed overseas generally has been low this risk varies substantially and unpredictably during may 1992 the office of medical services department of state oms dos and cdc were notified of an increased number of malaria cases among official u s personnel stationed in kampala uganda a review of the health records from the embassy health unit ehu in kampala indicated that 27 cases of malaria were diagnosed in official personnel from march through june 1992 compared with two cases during the same period in 1991 ehu oms dos and cdc conducted an investigation to confirm all reported malaria cases and identify potential risk factors for malaria among u s embassy personnel this report summarizes the results of the investigation malaria blood smears from 25 of the 27 reported case patients were available for review by oms dos and cdc a case of malaria was confirmed if the slide was positive for plasmodium sp of the 25 persons 17 were slide confirmed as having malaria a questionnaire was distributed to all persons served by the ehu to obtain information about residence activities use of malaria chemoprophylaxis and use of personal protection measures i e using bednets and insect repellents having window and door screens and wearing long sleeves and pants in the evening of the 157 persons eligible for the survey 128 82 responded risk for malaria was not associated with sex or location of residence in kampala although the risk for malaria was higher among children aged less than or equal to 15 years 6 32 19 than among persons greater than 15 years 11 94 12 this difference was not significant relative risk rr 1 6 95 confidence interval ci 0 6 4 0 eighty two percent of the cases occurred among persons who had been living in kampala for 1 5 years compared with those living there less than 1 year travel outside of the kampala area to more rural settings was not associated with increased risk for malaria four malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens were used by persons who participated in the survey mefloquine chloroquine and proguanil chloroquine alone and proguanil alone in addition 23 18 persons who responded were not using any malaria chemoprophylaxis the risk for malaria was significantly lower among persons using either mefloquine or chloroquine and proguanil 8 88 9 than among persons using the other regimens or no prophylaxis 9 37 24 rr 0 4 95 ci 0 2 0 9 twelve persons not using prophylaxis reported side effects or fear of possible side effects as a reason the risk for malaria was lower among persons who reported using bednets  hicnet medical newsletter page 5 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993  all or most of the time 2 27 7 than among persons who sometimes or rarely used bednets 15 99 15 rr 0 5 95 ci 0 1 2 0 the risk for malaria was also lower among persons who consistently used insect repellent in the evening 0 16 compared with those who rarely used repellent 17 110 15 rr 0 upper 95 confidence limit 1 2 risk for malaria was not associated with failure to have window or door screens or wear long sleeves or pants in the evening as a result of this investigation ehu staff reviewed with all personnel the need to use and comply with the recommended malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens ehu staff also emphasized the need to use personal protection measures and made plans to obtain insecticide impregnated bednets and to provide window and door screens for all personnel  reported by u s embassy health unit kampala uganda office of medical svcs dept of state washington d c malaria br div of parasitic diseases national center for infectious diseases cdc  editorial note in uganda the increase in malaria among u s personnel was attributed to poor adherence to both recommended malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens and use of personal protection measures during a period of increased malaria transmission and intensified chloroquine resistance in sub saharan africa the findings in this report underscore the need to provide initial and continued counseling regarding malaria prevention for persons living abroad in malaria endemic areas preventive measures that are also important for short term travelers to such areas mefloquine is an effective prophylaxis regimen in africa and in most other areas with chloroquine resistant p falciparum however in some areas e g thailand resistance to mefloquine may limit its effectiveness in africa the efficacy of mefloquine compared with chloroquine alone in preventing infection with p falciparum is 92 1 mefloquine is safe and well tolerated when given at 250 mg per week over a 2 year period the risk for serious adverse reactions possibly associated with mefloquine prophylaxis e g psychosis and convulsions is low i e 1 3 1 9 episodes per 100 000 users 2 while the risk for less severe adverse reactions e g dizziness gastrointestinal complaints and sleep disturbances is similar to that for other antimalarial chemoprophylactics 1 doxycycline has similar prophylactic efficacy to mefloquine but the need for daily dosing may reduce compliance with and effectiveness of this regimen 3 4 chloroquine alone is not effective as prophylaxis in areas of intense chloroquine resistance e g southeast asia and africa in africa for persons who cannot take mefloquine or doxycycline chloroquine and proguanil is an alternative although less effective regimen chloroquine should be used for malaria prevention in areas only where chloroquine resistant p falciparum has not been reported country specific recommendations for preventing malaria and information  hicnet medical newsletter page 6 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993  on the dosage and precautions for malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens are available from health information for international travel 1992 i e yellow book 5 or 24 hours a day by telephone or fax 404 332 4555  references  1 lobel ho miani m eng t et al long term malaria prophylaxis with weekly mefloquine in peace corps volunteers an effective and well tolerated regimen lancet 1993 341 848 51  2 world health organization review of central nervous system adverse events related to the antimalarial drug mefloquine 1985 1990 geneva world health organization 1991 publication no who mal 91 1063  3 pang l limsomwong n singharaj p prophylactic treatment of vivax and falciparum malaria with low dose doxycycline j infect dis 1988 158 1124 7  4 pang l limsomwong n boudreau ef singharaj p doxycycline prophylaxis for falciparum malaria lancet 1987 1 1161 4  5 cdc health information for international travel 1992 atlanta us department of health and human services public health service 1992 98 dhhs publication no cdc 92 8280                       hicnet medical newsletter page 7 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993  fda approval of use of a new haemophilus b conjugate vaccine and a combined diphtheria tetanus pertussis and haemophilus b conjugate vaccine for infants and children  source mmwr 42 15 date apr 23 1993  haemophilus influenzae type b hib conjugate vaccines have been recommended for use in infants since 1990 and their routine use in infant vaccination has contributed to the substantial decline in the incidence of hib disease in the united states 1 3 vaccines against diphtheria tetanus and pertussis during infancy and childhood have been administered routinely in the united states since the late 1940s and has been associated with a greater than 90 reduction in morbidity and mortality associated with infection by these organisms because of the increasing number of vaccines now routinely recommended for infants a high priority is the development of combined vaccines that allow simultaneous administration with fewer separate injections the food and drug administration fda recently licensed two new products for vaccinating children against these diseases 1 the haemophilus b conjugate vaccine tetanus toxoid conjugate acthib trademark for vaccination against hib disease only and 2 a combined diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and whole cell pertussis vaccine dtp and hib conjugate vaccine tetramune trademark a combination of vaccines formulated for use in vaccinating children against diphtheria tetanus pertussis and hib disease  acthib trademark  on march 30 1993 the fda approved a new haemophilus b conjugate vaccine polyribosylribitol phosphate tetanus toxoid conjugate prp t manufactured by pasteur merieux serum et vaccins and distributed as acthib trademark by connaught laboratories inc swiftwater pennsylvania this vaccine has been licensed for use in infants in a three dose primary vaccination series administered at ages 2 4 and 6 months previously unvaccinated infants 7 11 months of age should receive two doses 2 months apart previously unvaccinated children 12 14 months of age should receive one dose a booster dose administered at 15 months of age is recommended for all children previously unvaccinated children 15 59 months of age should receive a single dose and do not require a booster more than 90 of infants receiving a primary vaccination series of acthib trademark consecutive doses at 2 4 and 6 months of age develop a geometric mean titer of anti haemophilus b polysaccharide antibody greater than 1 ug ml 4 this response is similar to that of infants who receive recommended series of previously licensed haemophilus b conjugate vaccines for which efficacy has been demonstrated in prospective trials two u s efficacy trials of prp t were terminated early because of the concomitant licensure of other haemophilus b conjugate vaccines  hicnet medical newsletter page 8 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993  for use in infants 4 in these studies no cases of invasive hib disease were detected in approximately 6000 infants vaccinated with prp t these and other studies suggest that the efficacy of prp t vaccine will be similar to that of the other licensed hib vaccines tetramune trademark on march 30 1993 the fda approved a combined diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and whole cell pertussis vaccine dtp and haemophilus b conjugate vaccine tetramune trademark available from lederle praxis biologicals pearl river new york combines two previously licensed products dtp triimmunol registered manufactured by lederle laboratories pearl river new york and haemophilus b conjugate vaccine hibtiter registered manufactured by praxis biologics inc rochester new york this vaccine has been licensed for use in children aged 2 months 5 years for protection against diphtheria tetanus pertussis and hib disease when indications for vaccination with dtp vaccine and haemophilus b conjugate vaccine coincide based on demonstration of co mparable or higher antibody responses to each of the components of the two vaccines tetramune trademark is expected to provide protection against hib as well as diphtheria tetanus and pertussis equivalent to that of already licensed formulations of other dtp and haemophilus b vaccines the advisory committee for immunization practices acip recommends that all infants receive a primary series of one of the licensed haemophilus b conjugate vaccines beginning at 2 months of age and a booster dose at age 12 15 months 5 the acip also recommends that all infants receive a four dose primary series of diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccine at 2 4 6 and 15 18 months of age and a booster dose at 4 6 years 6 8 a complete statement regarding recommendations for use of acthib trademark and tetramune trademark is being developed  reported by office of vaccines research and review center for biologics evaluation and research food and drug administration div of immunization national center for prevention svcs meningitis and special pathogens br div of bacterial and mycotic diseases national center for infectious diseases cdc  references  1 adams wg deaver ka cochi sl et al decline of childhood haemophilus influenzae type b hib disease in the hib vaccine era jama 1993 269 221 6  2 broadhurst le erickson rl kelley pw decrease in invasive haemophilus influenzae disease in u s army children 1984 through 1991 jama 1993 269 227 31  3 murphy tv white ke pastor p et al declining incidence of haemophilus influenzae type b disease since introduction of vaccination jama  hicnet medical newsletter page 9 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993  1993 269 246 8  4 fritzell b plotkin s efficacy and safety of a haemophilus influenzae type b capsular polysaccharide tetanus protein conjugate vaccine j pediatr 1992 121 355 62  5 acip haemophilus b conjugate vaccines for prevention of haemophilus influenzae type b disease among infants and children two months of age and older recommendations of the immunization practices advisory committee acip mmwr 1991 40 no rr 1  6 acip diphtheria tetanus and pertussis recommendations for vaccine use and other preventive measures recommendations of the immunization practices advisory committee acip mmwr 1991 40 no rr 10  7 acip pertussis vaccination acellular pertussis vaccine for reinforcing and booster use supplementary acip statement recommendations of the immunization practices advisory committee acip mmwr 1992 41 no rr 1  8 acip pertussis vaccination acellular pertussis vaccine for the fourth and fifth doses of the dtp series update to supplementary acip statement recommendations of the immunization practices advisory committee acip mmwr 1992 41 no rr 15  use of trade names and commercial sources is for identification only and does not imply endorsement by the public health service or the u s department of health and human services                   hicnet medical newsletter page 10 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993     dental news   international workshop explores oral manifestations of hiv infection  nidr research digest written by jody dove march 1993 national institute of dental research  at the second international workshop on the oral manifestations of hiv infection held january 31 february 3 in san francisco participants explored issues related to the epidemiology basic molecular virology mucosal immunology and oral clinical presentations of hiv infection the workshop was organized by dr john greenspan and dr deborah greenspan of the department of stomatology school of dentistry university of california san francisco an international steering committee and scientific program committee provided guidance the conference drew more than 260 scientists from 39 countries including asia africa europe central america south america as well as the united states and canada support tor the workshop was provided by the national institute of dental research the national cancer institute the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases the nih office of aids research and the procter and gamble company among the topics discussed were the epidemiology of hiv lesions ethics professional responsibility and public policy occupational issues provision of oral care to the hiv positive population salivary hiv transmission and mucosal immunity opportunistic infections pediatric hiv infection and womens issues  recommendations  recommendations emerged from the workshop to define the association between the appearance of oral lesions and rate of progression of hiv to establish a universal terminology for hiv associated oral lesions to look for more effective treatments for oral manifestations to expand molecular biology studies to understand the relationship between hiv infection and common oral lesions and to study the effects of hiv therapy on oral lesions  epidemiology  since the first international workshop on oral manifestations of hiv infection was convened five years ago the epidemiology of hiv infection has  hicnet medical newsletter page 11 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993  radically changed in 1988 hiv infection was detected and reported largely in homosexual and bisexual males intravenous drug users and hemophiliacs today more hiv infection is seen in heterosexual males and females and in children and adolescents while the predominant impact of hiv infection has been felt in africa a major increase in infection rate is being seen in southeast asia as well five hundred thousand cases have been reported to date in this region and more are appearing all the time researchers are continuing to document the epidemiology of oral lesions such as hairy leukoplakia and candidiasis they also are beginning to explore the relationships between specific oral lesions and hiv disease progression and prognosis  social political issues  discussion on the social and political implications of hiv infection focused on changing the publics attitude that aids is retribution for indiscriminate sexual behavior and drug use speakers also addressed health care delivery for hiv infected patients and the need to educate the public about what aids is and how it is acquired  saliva and salivary glands  conference speakers described transmission issues and the hiv inhibitory activity of saliva the strength of which varies among the different salivary secretions whole saliva has a greater inhibitory effect than submandibular secretions which in turn have a greater inhibitory effect than parotid secretions research has shown that at least two mechanisms are responsible for salivary inhibitory activity they attributed the hiv inhibitory effect of saliva to the 1 aggregation agglutination of hiv by saliva which may both promote clearance of virus and prevent it reaching a target cell and 2 direct effects on the virus or target cells other topics discussed were the manifestation of salivary gland disease in hiv infected persons and current research on oral mucosal immunity  pediatric issues  pediatric aids recently has emerged as an area of intense interest with early and accurate diagnosis and proper treatment the life expectancy of hiv infected children has tripled the prevention of transmission of hiv from mother to child may be possible in many cases particularly if the mothers sero status is known prior to giving birth  periodontal and gingival tissue disease   hicnet medical newsletter page 12 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993  oral health researchers continue to explore periodontal diseases and gingivitis found in individuals with hiv infection recommendations made at the workshop include the standardization of terminology refinement of diagnostic markers standardization of study design and proper consideration of confounding variables resulting from periodontal therapy  occupational and treatment issues  occupational issues surrounding the treatment of hiv infected individuals and treatment rendered by hiv infected health care professionals still command considerable attention factors under consideration include the cost benefit of hiv testing patient to health care provider transmission of hiv infection and the reverse and the use of mainstream versus dedicated facilities for the treatment of hiv infected patients conference participants anticipate that a third international workshop on the oral manifestations of hiv infection will be held in five years or less proceedings from the second workshop will be published by the quintessence company in late 1993                       end of part 1   internet david stat com fax 1 602 451 1165 bitnet atw1h asuacad fidonet 1 114 15 amateur packet ax25 wb7tpy wb7tpy az usa na 
guns re change of name  in article cmm 0 90 2 735315429 thomasp holmenkollen ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes 1 make a new newsgroup called talk politics guns paranoid or talk politics guns theyr here to take me away   well may i point out that paranoia is an irrational fear without basis in reality as weve seen here in the us there is nothing irrational about it perhaps you folks in finland have been down on your knees being good little boys and girls so that the former soviet union didnt come across the border and stomp the snot out of you for so long that you just figure everybody should be so accomodating to tyranny    2 move all postings about waco and burn to guess where  3 stop posting on this newsgroup   if you dont like us talking about political issues involving attacks on people for owning guns dont read talk politics guns    we are all so glad youre trying to save us from the evil goverment but would you mail this in regular mail to lets say 1000 people   nobodys trying to save you from anything so butt out i couldnt care less about what somebody on the other side of the world thinks about this of course you do have a right to an opinion but ive always figured that opinons are like hemmorhoids every assholes got them i just dont care about yours     i remember what i was doing bad boy whatcha gonna do when i heard that jfk had been shot whatcha gonna do will you remember the battle of waco when they come for you  ken whitehead kdw odin icd ab com   
baseball re when is melido due back in article nittmo 734981173 camelot nittmo camelot bradley edu christopher taylor writes when are the yankees planning on activating melido perez his 15 days on the dl are up today but are they bringing him back this weekend  thanks for any info    the chicago tribune pitching form has perez pitching today 4 16 but given the way that buck changes his rotation so often that could just be the work of a confused stat page editor    adam as16 midway uchicago edu aka mercutio obligatory go yankees for baseball season 5338 s woodlawn ave apt 2 chicago il 60615 312 667 3586 
medicine what is intersection syndrome near the forearm wrist  hi  i went to the orthopedist on tuesday he diagnosed me as having intersection syndrome he prescribed feldene for me i want to know more about the disease and the drug  thanks   somesh       
medicine klonopin and pregnancy a from adwright iastate edu a a woman i know is tapering off klonopin i believe that is one of the a benzodiazopines she is taking a very minimal dose right now half a tablet a a day she is also pregnant my question is are there any known cases where a klonopin or similar drug has caused harmful effects to the fetus a how about cases where the mother took klonopin or similar substance and had a normal baby any information is appreciated she wants to get a feel for a what sort of risk she is taking she is in her first month of pregnancy  klonopin according to the pdr physicians desk reference is not a proven teratogen there are isolated case reports of malformations but it is impossible to establish cause effect relationships the overwhelming majority of women that take klonopin while pregnant have normal babies  slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein  
windows biobliography program info needed please i think somebody posted some info about a biobliography program one or two months ago i dont rember the detail what id like to have is one software to organize the literature im refereing for scientific publications the functions id like would be a able to do data base managment b able to print with special formats for different journals any info would be appreciated  yi ming wang radiation laboratory university of notre dame wang 29 nd edu  
windows re need windows logo in a previous article dmmatt cajun wrote in article 1qjqed 1ft access digex net holland access digex com brian holland writes markus maier s maier m rzmain rz uni ulm de wrote hi  well im searching for the ms windows logo u know the picture when u start windows in some suitable grafics format like gif or jpg  c windows system vgalogo rle if my memory serves me correctly rle is a compressed bmp format  an is readable by wingif paintshop pro paint and god knows how many other programs  that isnt enough to change your windows startup logo vgalogo rle is not needed after you have installed windows it is incorporated as a part of win com to make a new win com you have to concatinate three files together using the b option for a binary concatonation i beleive it is  copy b win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle mywin com  make sure you backup your win com file in anotehr directory before you do this i absent mindedly typed win com instead of mywin com and had to resinstall windows anyway substitute whatever rle file you want the win cnf has the info needed to start windows think of it as a bootstrap and vgalogo vga has video information just make sure that the rle file doesnt tip the whole com file size over the 64k limit of a com file so anyway i use mywin com to startup ms windows now instead of that annoying micro oft advertisment i have the joker yes from batman taking yoru picture from the screen saying smile also a little bit of text micro oft windows the worlds first commercially sucessful virus i added that because of the frequency of crashes grin  rob   a post by rob mohns rmohns i had no water so vax clarku edu i drowned in sand    
windows windows and ati ultra mach8 chip sizing question   i have just upgraded from a trident tvga9000 to an ati graphics ultra the old mach8 chip i am quite pleased with the performance so far but have one problem when using windows in 800x600 i have noticed that the tile bars and scroll bars are significantly larger than they were when i was using the trident card is there a setting in my ini files that i can change to make these smaller i could not find the faq for this list  mike  mdtancsa watarts uwaterloo ca    
windows re windows for workgroups and lan workplace hey sounds great does that mean that w4wg works with odi i thought it uses ndis  wfwg does use ndis but it cooperates well with the ndis shim for odi ive heard that it is as fast as ndis direct   my problem is that lan workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my umbs so id hate to have to load many more drivers to make w4wg work along  the additional tsr load is minimal i think i eat another 20k total this is worth it to me since it allows me to get to my windows nt box novell hasnt released a decent nt novell client yet so i share through my wfwg box  this solution is very usable  
baseball re jewish baseball players  once on jeopardy the category was jewish sports heros believe it or not the answer was this pitcher had four no hitters with the dodgers in the 60s the contestant said who is hank aaron alex trebek said something like i dont think hank aaron was a pitcher  david fry fry math harvard edu division of applied sciences fry huma1 bitnet harvard university harvard huma1 fry cambridge ma 02138 
guns randy weaver trial update day 5 note these trial updates are summarized from reports in the idaho statesman and the local nbc affiliate television station ktvb channel 7  randy weaver kevin harris trial update day 5  monday april 19 1993 was the fifth day of the trial  synopsis government informant kenneth fadeley testified that randy weaver sold him two shotguns in violation of the national firearms act of 1934 u s district court judge edward lodge asks jurors not to hear accounts of the waco fire because of possible influences on the weaver harris case  the testimony of fbi special agent greg rampton apparently ended without further incident as it was mentioned neither by ktvb nor the idaho statesman  the day was highlighted by the testimony of kenneth fadeley who had been posing as an outlaw biker and illegal guns person named gus magiosono fadeley testified that he was acting as an informant for the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms in his dealings with randy weaver  fadeley began by stating that he had met weaver in 1987 at an aryan nations summer conference in hayden lake idaho the two then met again october 11 1989 note the huge separation in time at a restaurant in sandpoint idaho to begin a weapons transaction he stated that weaver had said he felt like he weaver was being prepared to do something dangerous for the white cause  the two later met october 24 1989 behind the restaurant and later went to a city park to make the sale during this second meeting fadeley was wearing a small recording device to tape the conversation weaver allegedly showed him an h r 12 gauge shotgun with a 13 inch barrel and an overall length of 19 25 inches he additionally showed a remington 12 gauge shotgun with a 12 75 inch barrel and an overall length of 24 5 inches nfa requires minimums of 18 inches for barrel length and an overall length of 26 inches on tape weaver is reported to have said that he could perform better work once his machine shop is set up the two then discuss the possibility of future sales fadeley then counts out three hundred dollars for the two guns and promises the balance of one hundred fifty dollars when they next meet note that the atf could have simply arrested him here why did they wait until january 1991 over a year later to arrest him this is not explained  the next meeting took place on nov 30 1989 fadeley stated that his source had only come up with one hundred dollars instead of the one hundred fifty hed promised at this point weaver suspected he was dealing with an informant i had a guy in spokane tell me you were bad fadeley managed to convince weaver otherwise  the idaho statesman states explicitly that three tapes were made of conversations with randy weaver thus each of these meetings must have been recorded however the statesman also reported that a tape of a telephone conversation involving vicki weaver randy weavers wife was played to the court there must have also been phone taps  these tapes were played to the court via both headphones and loudspeakers under the objections of gerry spence weavers attorney spence said to a ktvb reporter that he wanted to make sure that the government proved its case if it has a case at all according to the rules  randy weaver tore off his headphones and wept when he heard his wifes voice on the tape  u s district court judge edward lodge asked jurors not to hear accounts of the waco fire because of possible influences on the weaver harris case exactly how such information could affect this trial is not explained  other notes sunday evening there was a report on ktvb concerning kevin harris unnamed agents within the fbi admit that they are surprised that kevin harris is still alive first they were surprised that he survived the initial gunshot wound s sustained in the initial firefight at the y junction later when randy weaver was struck by sniper fire the sniper had reported that harris had been struck not weaver finally there was a report that the fbi agent who killed vicki weaver believed he was aiming at kevin harris instead this is what was reported critics are charging that the fbi was blatantly trying to eliminate the only non government witness to the deaths of samuel weaver and deputy marshal william degan some local people believe that harriss survival is simply due to divine intervention  tuesday april 20 1993 will be the sixth day of the trial kenneth fadeleys testimony is scheduled to continue  
guns sign of the times  article in this mornings houston post negotiators send food to rebellious inmates as humanitarian gesture speaking about the ohio prison riot where they have killed at least one of the hostage guards  i know its not the same group but the mindset appears to be common to those what rule here lately they wont give diddley to the bds in waco but they treat criminals as deserving of humanitarian gestures  this is but another indicator that the criminal caste seems to enjoy more priviliges in todays society than their victims or other law abiding citizens what is it that makes the criminal so precious to the leaders of the system  could it be that the criminal is one of the tools the authorities are using to excuse some of the rights negation they are trying to foist upon the law abiding citizen in the name of crime control dont solve the crime problem because then the citizen couldnt be held hostage to our help  if the crime problem were solved in favor of the citizen victim at the expense of the criminal none of the crap such as rico and gun banning could be used as excuses to work the agenda of those who would control our every move and thought  olx 2 2 if i have to explain you wouldnt understand    ye olde bailey bbs 713 520 1569 v 32bis 713 520 9566 v 32bis houston texas yob sccsi com home of alt cosuard  
guns re clinton wants national id card aka ussr style internal passport  the idea of the card is bull in and of its self but im curious to know do they plan on making it a requirement to always have it on you or is it only going to be required to be presented when trying to ge medical aid  btw anybody planning on shaving hillarys head to look for 666 8  later dave days   goverment logic or just the clintons     david h slack boise surface mount center email slack hpdmd48 boi hp com telnet 323 4019 phone 208 323 4019  hewlett packard 11213 chinden blvd boise idaho 83714 1023 m s 625  
guns re my gun is like my in article 1993apr16 194708 13273 vax oxford ac uk jaj vax oxford ac uk writes what all you turkey pro pistol and automatic weapons fanatics dont seem to realize is that the rest of us laugh at you you dont make me angry you just make me chuckle i remeber being in bellingham washington and seeing a   you consider laughing at others civilized behavior what was i supposed to learn from your article treat people like dogs  i am not impressed by your attitude 
baseball re best homeruns how about brooks robinsons last homerun ever 268 came on 4 19 77 at memorial stadium with one out and two on in the bottom of the 10th inning larry harlow was due up but brooks pinch hit a 3 2 pitch from dave laroche into the left field bleachers for a 6 5 win  brian klaff  
windows winword grammer checker saved my liff 1 fire up microsoft word for windows version 2 0c  2 type the following paragraph  if you want to rite really very dead good you just cant live without one of the wonderfully write aids what youre can get what helps me impress me boss  3 under tools options grammar select use grammar and style rules strictly all rules and click ok  4 run the grammar checker this also does a spelling check  no complaints  readability passive sentences 0 flesch reading ease 84 5 flesch grade level 6 6 flesch kincaid 5 2 gunning fog index 8 7    tl someone buy malcolm bacchus some beer please   
baseball re ray lankford question in article 1993apr20 165918 16574 mnemosyne cs du edu msilverm nyx cs du edu mike silverman writes does anybody know what is going on with lankford i know he was out for a few games with a slight injury but since he has beenback and before the injury for that matter he has been really struggling at the plate and on the basepaths  his performance at the plate may well be from the shoulder injury received when he ran into the wall making a catch in the cincy series it may also be him pressing a little  as for the baserunning it does not appear to be just lankford dent made the bad call sending lankford in the sunday night game against cincy but everyone had a bad time against the dodgers catcher   whereis the ray lankford we saw last year  good question at least it doesnt appear that we are seeing the same zeile   h  bob netherton missouri pacific sun microsystems o mp dallas tx 5001  o o o o o o    
guns re we knew it would happen god forgive me for being an american who pays taxes to a government that commits atrocities like the waco massacre of 1993  dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com  im beginning to look forward to reaching the 100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt at that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds 
religion odds and ends just a few cheap shots a christianity  riddle what is the shortest street in jerusalem answer the street of the righteous poles  limrick  there was an archeologist thostle who found an amazing fossil by the way it was bent and the knot it the end twas the penis of paul the apostle  jingle christianity hits the spot twelve apostles thats a lot jesus christ and a virgin too christianitys the faith for you with apologies to pepsi cola and its famous jingle  riddle how many christians does it take to save a light bulb answer none only jesus can save  aphorism jesus saves moses invests  proof that jesus was jewish 1 he lived at home till he was 33 2 he went into his fathers business 3 he thought he mother was a virgin 4 his mother thought he was god  qed  so long you all  bob kolker i would rather spend eternity in hell with interesting people than eternity in heaven with christians    if you cant love the constitution then at least hate the government  
medicine re vitamin a and hearing loss in article 1993apr30 194806 10652 banana fedex com claude banana fedex com claude bowie writes i heard a news report indicating research showing improved hearing in people taking vitamin a the research showed that new growth replaced damaged hairlike nerves has anyone heard about this  claude ive not heard or read anything that would suggest that vitamin a retinol could reverse hearing loss due to nerve damage usually caused by high sound levels but also occassionally due to severe infection the types of cells that vitamin a regulates are the general epithelial cells and these cell types are not the ones that function in the ear hearing process the hair cell nerve like epithelial cells in the ear may respond to vitamin a during cellular differentiation embryogenesis but i dont know if they are still capable of responding in adults if they are capable of responding with new hair growth this would be a very major breakthrough in hearing loss with all of the medical interest in vitamin a it would not be too surprising if a clinical study was done using vitamin a to reverse hearing loss but with only a news announcement to go on and this type of communication is notoriously bad i cant comment on your question anymore than i already have if one study has been done more will need to follow to firm up a link between vitamin a and hearing loss if there really is one  marty b 
baseball bonilla bobby bonilla supposedly use the word faggot when he got mad at that author in the clubhouse should he be banned from baseball for a year like schott 
medicine request faq hi i have a friend who is interested in subscribing to this newsgroup unfortunatly she does not have usenet access if someone could send her a faq and info on how to subscribe wed be very appreciative if you want to send it to me you can and i will get it to her i do not read this newsgroup regularly though so e mail please thank you jody     jody rebecca colby college majors history sociology class o 94 e mail jrgould colby edu samuel paul rutgers edu  fantasy music colors and animals will lead this society out of oppression   
baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1993apr15 214421 1 acad drake edu sbp002 acad drake edu writes    i remember reading somewhere that 7 of the league was jewish during the 50s now there is practically nobody 
guns re 2nd amendment dead good jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes yea there are millions of cases where yoy say that firearms deter criminals alas this is not provable i think that that there are actually few cases where this is so  you think wrong ask the fbi theyve got the proof look it up  the bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary opponents those who posessa a cool jakcet you want those who would argue with you about a parking space those who would take your woman in short trivial and worthless causes  you lie like a snake the vast majority of the 200 million firearms in this country are never used in anger your feelings notwithstanding  too much of this has ruined you cause there is no recovery in the near future federal martials will come for your arms no one will help you you are more dangerous to their thinking than the criminal this is your own fault  we will overcome the kind of blind pig headed utterly stupid idiocy that you and others spout in a vain attempt to further your own agendas we will make the truth be known despite your best efforts to the contrary  the 2nd amendment is dead accept this find another way  the second amendment wont be dead unless it is repealed that wont happen  ever  accept this find another way to try and control others lives because we see you for what you are and we are not fooled  mike ruff     this above all to thine own s t r i d e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self be true polonius those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin 
religion 6 apr 93 gods promise in john 16 24   hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name ask and ye shall receive that your joy may be full  john 16 24 
cars re instead of a saturn sc2 what  one thing that everyone is forgetting in this argument over the pricing of the sc1 vs the japanese cars is the saturns no dicker sticker this makes the saturns price low in comparison to the inflated base prices of the japanese competition on paper but in reality one could dicker several hundred dollars off the price of the japanese cars  admittedly though here in canada at least the sc2 is in the same price class as the civic si not the sc1  steve hui 
guns don kates talk on the branch davidians this was posted by lyn bates to the firearms politics mailing list  i recently learned that don kates was going to be in boston to give a talk at the harbard law school about the waco situation of course this was all set up after the incident started but long before its unhappy conclusion so yesterday i went to hear him what follows is a rough summary of what i think i heard him say which should not be taken as exactly what he actually said  kates started by saying that since he didnt know any more about the fire than the audience did it had just happened the day before he would not discuss that but would concentrate on the original raid  koresh definitely was not playing with a full deck but so what this isnt the first time that the leader of a new small religious group has been ridiculed by the public extreme religious views nearly always fuel hatred and mistrust the first amendment applies maybe especially to people like koresh  lengthy digression into the history of police organizations in the us there were none until about 1830 when they began in metropolitan areas police originally were not armed if they found a crime in progress they called local armed citizens to help many began to carry arms for protection despite regulations against them eventually the laws were changed to allow them to carry guns the original intent was to have many small police departments jealous of one another and competitive but not large enough to be a threat to liberty hence the plethora of organizations ranging from postal inspectors to the coast guard when the fbi was started agents did not have the authority oto carry guns they were to be after all a bureau of investigation not a police force all police agencies will be misused by anyone in power to maintain that power  the batf started as a tax collection agency whose primary job was to raid illegal stills when the price of sugar went up so high that moonshiners no longer found their trade no longer profitable many illegal stills disappeared and the batf needed something else to do to justify its existence so it turned to activities like phony raids on gun stores around the time when the batfs annual budget is under review the media is alerted by the batf to come to such and such a place where at a pre arranged time a bunch of cars full of batf agents roar up to the door and the media get great pictures of the agents entering the premises of a gun dealer suspected of not keeping books properly the media isnt invited in for the boring hours of agents leafing through paperwork but if any irregularities are found the media gets to cover the agents removing armfuls of guns from the premises and the luckless ffl in chains  the waco incident happened a few weeks before batfs budget was up for review  kates opinion is that it was a staged publicity stunt that went bad and that the batf never thought for a moment that they would actually be shot at or they would have planned the raid differently not sending 100 agents over open ground with no cover for example and would have had some medical personnel on hand  he confirmed that some years ago there was a warrant for koreshs arrest in connection with a murder charge and the local sheriff called him on the phone and explained about it koresh sais ok come pick me up and the sheriff did temporarily confiscating all the guns so that they could be tested koresh was later cleared release and presumably got his guns back at least at that time he was rational enough to be approached rationally and behaved in a reasonable manner  the batf didnt take into account that unlike most of the ffls they audit koresh was actually paranoid and fostered paranoia in his followers thus the pubicity stunt looked like a real attack to them and they reacted accordingly  with respect to the original warrant it had not been unsealed when kates was giving his talk so he could not comment on it except to mention that the batf has been known to not double check the veractiy of their informants if they can manage to get a judge to issue a warrant he had more to say about the way the warrant was served which may have been completely illegal apparently the proper way to serve a warrant is to knock on the door and announce that youre an officer with a warrant for thus and so if they dont open the door and the evidence is flushable then it is ok to break in the door but since it is hard to flush guns down the toilet there may have been no justification for the batf breaking in the way they did if the constitutional rights of the davidians were violated by an invalid warrant or by an improperly served warrant then the davidians may have been justified in their actons a close look at one of the original films shows that one batf agent may have shot himself by accident when entering the building if so this was the first shot fired  the role of the media could have been a whole lot worse after an initial position on the side of the batf the media began to come around to the view that this might be a situation in which legally armed citizens held off a bad possibly illegal attack a real cynic might say that the fbi went in when they did because it was clear that public opinion was beginning to change sides and the fbi wanted to act before they lost the publics sympathy  should the batf be abolished no police agencies should be numerous diverse inefficient decentralized etc better a few inept accidents like this than a move toward a single large well organized well trained powerful domestic police force which would eventually have even more tragic results  lyn bates bates bbn com  ps don kates will be giving a shorter version of this talk at boston college law school next tuesday april 27 i dont know the exact time or place but presumably a phone call to the bc law school could elicit that information  larry cipriani l v cipriani att com 
windows re hot key for screen saver louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes   well renaming screensavers scr to exe and running them as has been pposted i havent tried changing win ini but should have same effect shows me the setup dialog box butdoesnt enable the saver  mickey  try exe s s for save screen c for config defaults to c   the question is not if a tree falls in the forest and no one sees or hears did it fall but rather how many koalas can that one tree take out tim cpsg com au    tim fox cp software pty ltd acn 006 640 133 ph 61 3 823 0222 19 cato street east hawthorn fax 61 3 822 0089 victoria australia 3123 acsnet tim cpsg com au  the question is not if a tree falls in the forest and no one sees or 
windows re visual c it is correct that vc is not considered an upgrade for c7 c7 is basically a dos product vc is a windows product as windows is not an upgrade for dos it is a separate operating system product line its utilities cannot be upgrades for dos utilities however i have also been told that it is not an upgrade for qcwin which it should be  in article 735708181 aa00457 therose pdx com don hancock f303 n105 z1 fidonet org don hancock writes my understanding is that visual c is msc8 0 is it not what i mean is it is intended as a logical upgrade to msc7 which i own i am very interested in vc but i cant find anything about it tell me more hows the editor is it a true windows app msc7 which i love is not how are compile times exe sizes how smart is the linker how well does it do dos apps i would like to be one of the few programmers still pumping out stuff for the dos users out there even though i run win3 1 i like the multitasking and i couldnt afford desqview will it link 3rd party libs easily i use lots of 3rd party libs in my dos programs too lazy to do my own interfaces how is the debugger i make lots of mistakes thanx  if it wasnt for c we would be using basi pasal and obol blue wave qwk v2 10   david a fuess dir center for eecs phone 510 423 2436 fax 510 422 9343 lawrence livermore national laboratory  
guns re whos next mormons and jews from article 1r0mhtinna59 cronkite central sun com by dbernard clesun central sun com dave bernard does that include the right to murder little children how about killing atf officers i do not know much about the gun laws in texas but koreshs folks claimed to have grenades grenade launchers and rocket launchers i am not sure that the nra feels that this falls under right to bear arms  if the waco wackos truly had grenade launchers and rocket launchers why werent they used against the armored vehicles that attacked their house all the media stated was that small arms ie ineffective fire was used against them  i noticed that too special agent asshole actually ricks stated that david koresh had explosives that could blow up an armored vehicle 40 feet into the air it looked like to me that the bds had plenty of opportunity to use these explosives provided that they had them in the first place for example when one of the tanks was injecting cs gas into the ranch house yes ranch house the bds werent living in a fortress they could have easily destroyed or disabled that tank because it was idling there for a considerable length of time so why didnt they do this could it be that they didnt have any explosives or similar munitions i just dont buy what the atf and fbi have been saying hopefully the truth will come out  heres something noteworthy after the fire had been burning for some time an explosion occurred just one explosion the media said that this was some of the explosives that the bds posessed going off i dont think this was the case my brother and i noticed that this so called explosion resembled a plume of propane gas being ignited we figure that this is what it was because of how the explosion looked and sounded obviously it wasnt due to something like tnt dynamite or c4 i have seen a propane explosion before the explosion in the ranch house greatly resembled this also i noticed something that looked like a propane tank in the charred ruble the next day  isnt it curious that the atf wasnt very forthcoming about how the four officers got killed many weeks had gone by before they stated that some of the officers had been killed and or wounded by grenades thrown by the bds earlier when someone asked one of the spokespersons about whether or not an autopsy had been performed on the slain agents they said that an autopsy had been done but they werent ready to release the findings now why is this does the atf have something to hide perhaps those four agents were killed by friendly fire what is the cause of death exactly no one has ever said what it is  what is certain is this atf agents did throw grenades into the compound as a matter of fact mr koresh handed his lawyer a grenade body during one of the lawyers visits to the compound later on the lawyer gave the grenade body i dont know if it was a dud or a spent one btw to the atf how much do you want to bet that this grenade will mysteriously disappear at this point in time the only people we know who had grenades was the atf agents wouldnt it be a shocker if the no one ever found any evidence of grenades rockets or explosives in the rubble the atf would sure have egg on their face then note that the atf is doing the initial sweep of the rubble the fbi and the texas rangers wont investigate until the atf is done this looks like a perfect opportunity for the atf to make sure that others find what they want for them to find if you know what i mean im probably being a little paranoid here but if i am i have could reason to be recall that several weeks had gone by before anyone said that the bds had used grenades also recall that early on the atf had denied that their agents used grenades on the bds someone is lying here   scott kennedy brewer and patriot  before david koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the bible through the barrel of a gun atf spokesman after the atf is a cheap thug who interprets the constitution through the barrel of a gun me  
windows re windows hangs on 486dx33 wlieftin cs vu nl liefting w writes hello all you windows freaks out there  i bought windows 3 1 dutch version some time ago and run it on a 286 i recently upgraded my computer to a 486dx33 256k cache 4m memory 212m maxtor hd works real fine but not with windows  when playing patience sol or minesweeper suddenly the system hangs i just cant move my mouse anymore or screen goes blank nothing further or screen goes blank computer seems to reboot but stops before reaching the end of the memory test  once or maybe even twice i got a message about some illegal kernel call or something accompanied by a hex adress and a close button when pressing it the application wouldnt close though  i havent experienced this problem with other programs than these but thats mainly because i havent really used other programs i suspect them to hang too  anything known about this problem or better any patches available   oh forgot to tell if in cmos ram i make the computer faster higher bus speed less wait states enable both caches etc the crash comes faster after 10 min or so if i deliberately slow the system down slow bus speed wait states disable internal external cache no shadowing the crash comes later but comes  hope anyone can help  wouter    hi  i got a problem too with a 486dx2 66 vlb 4 mb ram 170mb disk sometimes when i switch on the computer it starts windows 3 1 dutch windows switches to 1024x768 switches back to text mode and exits to dos after one or two resets the system works fine  thanks patrick vu amsterdam  
baseball re jewish baseball players in article mssc5k47z fur netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes   polish and jewish are not mutually exclusive   i didnt mean to offend or anything im just quoting stanky himself on the subject i remember one time last year he was being interviewed by espn and the interviewer cant remember who asked stanky if he was jewish because he the interviewer was jewish and wanted to see more jewish ballplayers to which stanky replied im polish not jewish  so maybe that wasnt the most pc thing for stanky to say and maybe i was a little naive when i posted it i think we should just devote this subject to finding actual jewish ballplayers i myself am jewish and the only ones i ever knew until now were koufax greenberg and blomberg  alan 
windows re why im not using dos 6 anymore regarding the horror stories about dos6 doubledisk and stacker 2 killing hard drives  i was wondering if the dos 6 mirror command works on the doubled drive info as well as the normal fat table and partition table if it records the vital doubledisk info then using it daily should go a long way toward protecting yourself against the type of catastrophic failure discussed if it doesnt then shame on microsoft  
medicine need to find information about current trends in diabetes  i looked for diab in my newsrc and came up with nuthin anyone have any good sources for where i can read in particular im interested in finding out more about intravenous insulin injection for hepatic vein liver activation whew wotta mouthful  anything that smells like a pointer would be helpful newsgroup mailinglist etc  many thanks   time flies like the wind fruit flies like bananas steven w orr steveo world std com uunet world steveo everybody repeat after me we are all individuals 
cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr14 130427 21349 porthos cc bellcore com dje bmw535 nosubdomain nodomain don eilenberger writes  in article 1qgi8einnhs5 skeena ucs ubc ca yiklam unixg ubc ca yik chong lam writes hello  does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine compartment should i turn clockwise or counter i tried any kind of lubricants wd 40 etc but i still failed do you think i can use a electric drill change to a suitable bit to turn it out if i can succeed can i re tighten it not too tight is it safe without oil leak thank you very much in advance winson  i would suggest you take the car to the nearest chevron dealer with your own oil and filter ask for an oil change it will cost less than 10 watch him her do it just from watching someone do a job you will be able to learn and remember the sequence and do it right when you do it yourself the next time besides when he she loosens the drain nut the next time around it will be easier for you  if it is stuck use an impact wrench not too much force though use a new washer each time you put the nut back  s ssave ole cdac com   
windows re win nt what is it in article 2bcf2664 3c6a deneva sdd trw com reimert etdesg trw com scott p reimert writes  somewhere in this thread it has been said that windows nt tm is a multi user os as well as multi threading etc i certainly havent seen this to be the case there are seperate accounts for each person and even seperate directories if that is desired i dont see an implentation of simultaneuos use though  since running any gui over a network is going to slow it down by a fair amount i expect windows nt will be multiuser only in the sense of sharing filesystems someone will likely write a telnetd for it so one could run character based apps but graphics based apps will have to be shared by running the executables on the local cpu this is how things are shaping up everywhere client server architectures are taking over from the old cpu terminal setups  note that the next does this you can always telnet into a next and run character based apps but you cant run the gui yeah i know about x windows just havent been too impressed by it         iskandar taib the only thing worse than peach ala internet ntaib silver ucs indiana edu frog is frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubacs 
baseball re why spanky in article 1ql93binn1s5 postoffice1 psc edu boone psc edu jon boone writes spanky is too slow if he were quicker he would still be here but with slaught and tom prince they didnt want to lose prince in order to bring up that 11th pitcher slaught is about as good as spanky and prince is coming along nicely  tom prince is a 28 year old no hit catcher think of him as a young dann bilardello i cant begin to fathom why the pirates have been so afraid of losing this guy whos been in aaa most of the last 5 seasons the pirates released kirk gibson last year because prince was out of options then eventually sent prince down anyway and he cleared waivers without a peep hes another year older and still cant hit why do they think he wouldnt clear waivers now why would they care  sherri nichols snichols adobe com   
windows re program manager two questions in 1993apr22 204406 20330 vpnet chi il us lisbon vpnet chi il us gerry swetsky writes  2 can you set up a short cut key to return to the program manager i know ctl esc esc will do it but id rather set it up so i can avoid the task list and get back to the p m with alt f1  you might try the recorder and make a micro i done that to do certain operations in a windows app that didnt have the ability to use a micro it should be in the accessories window the only problem is that it has to be runing for it to work but good luck    warren e fridy iii 250 61st street north st petersburg fl 33710 internet wefiii axion palan palantir com 813 384 0584 uucp palan deep6 axion wefiii 
windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in 14957 news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu kurt bollacker writes  brian grier bjgrier bnr ca wrote  so to most of the computer users in the world ms product symbolize quality ms has made their life easier and more productive and to them that is quality they do not care about what innovative things ms has done other than to make their life with a computer one heck of a lot easier you may know better than most computer users in this world but that will not change their perception  none of this changes the fact that msw3 1 is objectively inferior to its competition  this is indeed true i prefer windows nt it is certainly much better than microsoft windows 3 1 dos   o wolfgang strobl wolfgang strobl gmd de 49 2241 14 2394 gmd gesellschaft fuer mathematik und datenverarbeitung mbh schloss birlinghoven p o box 1316 include w 5205 sankt augustin germany std disclaimer hpp 
medicine re patient physician diplomacy in article c4hyou 1iz mentor cc purdue edu hrubin pop stat purdue edu herman rubin writes in article 188 ky3b uucp km ky3b pgh pa us ken mitchum writes  ditto disease is a great leveling experience however some people are very much afronted to find out that all the money in the world does not buy one health everyone looks the same when they die  if money does not buy one health why are we talking about paying for medical expenses for those not currently adequately covered  herman i would think you of all people would could distinguish between health and treatment of disease all the prevention medicine people preach this all the time you cannot buy health you can buy treatment of disease assuming you are lucky enough to have a disease which can be treated a rich person with a terminal disease is a bit out of luck there is no such thing as adequately covered and there never will be  and for what its worth ill be the first to admit that all my patients die  km 
guns re cnn report fbi atf killing all americans in article 1993apr22 000020 23999 csli stanford edu cower csli stanford edu richard cower writes  cnn just reported the atf and the fbi have begun killing everyone in the united states a press release stated this action was required because bugs had revealed that many people were doing something illegal in their homes and statistical data indicated that those who werent might someday do something illegal an atf spokesperson just before he shot himself stated that this would clean up things once and for all  for those of you still unsure whether this is satire the jury is still out  also yesterday even though the compound no longer exists the us attorneys office here released formerly sealed documents including a search warrant and related affidavits that authorities planned to use when the siege was over  these documents did not include the original warrants the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms had in late february which to this day have never been released  one of the documents indicated the agency planned to seek samples of koreshs handwriting not only to verify that he had signed for some gun purchases but also that he espoused certain doctrines hostile to law enforcement and particularly the atf  so one of the charges against koresh seems to be contempt of cop he expressed hostility to the batf that chilly feeling in your gonads is perfectly normal folks it should go away in about 51 days  the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz  that should save them the trouble of subpoena ing samples heavens knows i want to cooperate fully meinherren   cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet  
cars buick heater controls i have a 71 buick skylark with 148k on it i bought it in california and if itll let me id like to keep it for another year the only problem is these indiana winters my heater controls dont work  the car has vacuum operated control switches for the vents right now it is stuck in the vent mode it will blow warm air but i cant switch the air flow to either the floor i can live without this or the defrost i cant live without this i probably could just jam the air deflector to the defrost position but this blows a lot of air in my face and is well kind of like putting a vacuum cleaner in reverse  i have taken parts of the dash off and looked at the vacuum system and i think the problem or part of it is with the two diaphragms which control up down and outside inside air flow the diaphragm which controls outside vent in side no vent air is cracked most of the way around and the other one is probably damaged too considering the advanced age of the car  two questions  1 is there anything i should be aware of about this other than the fact that i should move from indiana  2 in the event that replacement diaphragms arent available is there a way to fix this  thanks for any advice info  selah  dan lovall physics purdue edu 
cars re sho and sc in article 1qehi6 ork armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes ok ill give you a few reasons  1 neither car was designed to turn at those speeds 2 neither car was designed to stop quickly from those speeds 3 safety mechanisms were not designed for impacts at those speeds 4 an uncontrolled environment leads to unpredictable circumstances where you might need to turn or stop with no notice   do you by any chance own an sho or have access to one such that you would have any idea what it is designed for or how it handles  just wondering   tom pickett tpickett auspex com or 74616 2237 compuserve com sho goze 
guns re guns gone good riddance jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes you are loosing  loosing well ill avoid the spelling flames and see if this person can make up for it   there is no question about it  oh theres lots of question about it people are becoming more aware each day that their rights are being threatened so much so that nra membership is growing at the rate of nearly 2 000 per day we are slowly gaining our rightful voice despite the biases prejudices and veiled motives of the liberal media and anti gun politicians we will win  of those who vote your cause is considered an abomination no matter how hard you try public opinion is set against the rkba  what do you base this on some highly skewed poll conducted by nbc news the same group who faked gm pickup explosions just to make news right  this is the end by the finish of the clinton administration your rkba will be null and void tough titty  it is true that we face even greater obstacles to our rights betrayed by those lying politicians who swear an oath to protect the constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic but the people will take only so many lies and deceits  you had better discover ways to make do without firearms the number of cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause there is nothing you can do about it those who live by the sword shall die by it  then the criminals who live by murder shall die by it honest law abiding citizens need have no fear on that count you however will evidently die by or at least in ignorance and the number of firearms self defenses shall spell out our ultimate victory  the press is against you the public the voting public is against you the flow of history is against you this is it  the flow of history was against the founding fathers but they managed to successfully form the first real free republic on the face of this planet a republic that has become the model for all others to follow the press is against us for its own selfish motivations and the people will soon realize the depths of deceit being spread by that media and nullify its ill directed power the people are with us  surrender your arms soon enough officers will be around to collect them resistance is useless they will overwhelm you one at a time your neighbors will not help you they will consider you more if an immediate threat than the abstract criminal  i shall never submit to an illegal unconstitutional police state i will take my own vow to uphold the constitution and i shall defend it and my country against a tyrannical government gone mad should it become necessary  too fucking bad you have gone the way of the kkk violent solutions are passe avoid situations which encourage criminals then you will be as safe as possible such as it is  i will not be your sacrificial sheep and i shall not bow down to you or anyone else who seeks to control my life being an unarmed target is the surest way of encouraging criminals and believe me i shall avoid it as much as possible then i shall be as safe as possible i will answer with violence only when no other option exists but i shall surely answer  mike ruff     this above all to thine own s t r i d e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self be true polonius those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin 
guns national crime survey well i dropped by the library yesterday and picked up back copies of the national crime survey 1986 1990 in an effort to examine what it said about self defense with a firearm  i havent ground through much in the way of numbers yet but a couple of things jumped out at me first only 1986 and 1987 specify the type of weapon used in self defense 1988 1989 and 1990 refer only to weapon the second is that while assaults rose about 3 from 1986 to 1987 w gun defenses reported fell by almost 25 unless theres an explanation for this im tempted to mark it as a reporting problem and as such going ahead with any examination of the numbers would be a waste of time  anybody have an idea what might have cause a real difference and not just a reporting difference the survey doesnt appear to have changed significantly between 1986 and 1987   david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu 
windows please help an amiga user find comfort in windows by night im an amiga user by day i work with windows id be much more comfortable in windows if i had two things  1 a good personal information manager you know a calendar address book reminder list etc rolled into one clean interface  2 a good file manager microsofts is very poor by my standards how about one that has a left and right window and allows file operations between them being able to launch programs from the same interface would be nice as well as text reading and graphics viewing those who are familiar with directory opus on the amiga know what im looking for  if anyone can steer me towards an ftp sight with these programs it would make my transition to windows a lot easier please reply via email as i rarely get to read this group thanks so much  why would he be such a jerk i know that he doesnt smoke steve lombardi drugs and he doesnt do cocaine and he doesnt shoot stlombo acm rpi edu smack and he doesnt even drink beer why would he be such a fu ker to me ween   why would he be such a jerk i know that he doesnt smoke steve lombardi drugs and he doesnt do cocaine and he doesnt shoot stlombo acm rpi edu smack and he doesnt even drink beer why would he be 
baseball re bonilla in article mjones 735273896 fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes all of these divisions based on race religion etc make me sick as they should isnt it nice that mlb is finally waking up to their existence isnt it a shame that hiring practices on and off the field have been discriminatory for so long quick name a light hitting black outfielder or 1b who lasted 10 years in the bigs i bet you can name two dozen white ones otis nixon darnell coles henry cotto  manny mota  a dominican b not all that light hitting 304 lifetime 315 or so in 1966 73 when he did most of his playing c professional pinch hitter after that yes that also gives you jerry hairston  billy hatcher  beginning 10th year now  herm winningham  good one  lonnie smith not light hitting but a horror in the field  not the same thing lots of people are bad ofs  gary redus  not all that light either 750 ops  dion james  not 10 year  daryl boston  10 year this year  vince coleman yeah hes finally started to have a decent obp  not 10 year  cecil espy  not 10 year  willie wilson  yup  gary pettis  ok  milt thompson  10 year this year  gary varsho  six year this year  ok i admit to taking a quick browse through the major league handbook but only after the first 7 or 8 oh and theres the all time light hitting black outfielder lou brock look it up and curt flood cesar geronimo  brock coleman and wilson were hot dog basestealers also lonnie smith that seems to be a special class cfs like pettis and wilson also get more of a break especially if they actually do field well and brock wasnt all that bad a hitter either not until the end there when he spoiled his ifetime 300 ba  and again i suspect thatthe problem is lessening over time but if you look at the history of the last three decades there seems to be a clear race based pattern by which utility players and platoon players and lesser talents stayed in the ml far longer if they were white  cesar cedeno  light hitting 199 hr 793 lifetime ops mainly with houston also latin btw  note these guys may not have reached 10 years yet but theyve got to be close  likewise for my list oh and a prediction milt cuyler  come back in 1999 and well party h h h h h talk  roger 
medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr16 190447 8242 spdcc com dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes in article 1993apr16 155123 447 cunews carleton ca wcsbeau alfred carleton ca opirg writes  maybe you missed it amidst the flurry of responses  you mean the responses some of which pointed to double blind tests which show no such chinese restaurant effect unique to msg its elicited by the placebo as well  many people responded with more anecdotal stories i think its safe to say the original poster is already familiar with such stories presumably he wants hard info to substantiate or refute claims about msg making people ill  similarly debunking such claims without doing research whether literature and lab is equally beside the point the original poster no doubt already knows that some people think chinese restaurant syndrome is bogus  placebos are all very interesting but irrelevant to the question of what effects msg has you could have real effects and placebo effects people may have allergies in addition   yet again the use of this newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters they have substantial knowledge of  like youself someone who can read a scientific paper and apparently come away from it with bizarrely cracked ideas which have nothing to do with the use of this substance in human nutrition  have you read olneys work i fail to see how citing results from peer reviewed studies qualifies as bizarrely cracked  for cites on msg look up almost anything by john w olney a toxicologist who has studied the effects of msg on the brain and on development it is undisputed in the literature that msg is an excitotoxic food additive  no its undisputed in the literature that glutamate is an amino acid which is an excitatory neurotransmitter there is also evidence that excessive release of glutamate may be involved in the pathology of certain conditions like stroke drowning and lou gehrigs disease just to name a few this is a completely different issue than the use of this ubiquitous amino acid in foods people are not receiving intra ventricular injections of glutamate  tests have been done on rhesus monkeys as well i have never seen a study where the mode of administration was intra ventricular the glu and asp were administered orally some studies used iv and sc intra ventricular is not a normal admin method for food tox studies for obvious reasons you must not have read the peer reviewed works that i referred to or you would never have come up with this brain injection bunk  too much in the diet and the system gets thrown off  sez you such an effect in humans has not been demonstrated in any controlled studies infant mice and other models are useful as far as they go but theyre not relevant to the matter at hand which is not to say that i favor its use in things like baby food a patently ridiculous use of the additive but we have no reason to believe that msg in the diet effects humans adversely  pardon me but where are you getting this from have you read the journals have you done a thorough literature search  but youre right mice arent the best to study this on theyre four times less sensitive than humans to msg  glutamate and aspartate also an excitotoxin are necessary in small amounts and are freely available in many foods but the amounts added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be encountered in a ny single food  wrong do you know how much aspartate or phenylalanine is in a soft drink milligrams worth compare that to a glass of milk do you know how much glutamate is present in most protein containing foods compared to that added by the use of msg  the point is exceeding the window of course theyre amino acids note that people with pku cannot tolerate any phenylalanine  olneys research compared infant human diets specifically the amount of freely available glu in mothers milk versus commercial baby foods vs typical lunch items from the standard american diet such as packaged soup mixes he found that one could exceed the projected safety margin for infant humans by at least four fold in a single meal of processed foods mothers milk was well below the effective dose   read olneys review paper in prog brain res 1988 and check his sources they are impecable there is no dispute  impeccable there most certainly is a dispute  between who over what i would be most interested in seeing you provide peer reviewed non food industry funded citations to articles disputing that msg has no effects whatsoever   steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer  hmm com why am i not surprised  dianne murray wcsbeau ccs carleton ca  
windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article strobl 737652964 gmd de strobl gmd de wolfgang strobl writes in 14957 news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu kurt bollacker writes none of this changes the fact that msw3 1 is objectively inferior to its competition  this is indeed true i prefer windows nt it is certainly much better than microsoft windows 3 1 dos please apples to apples nt is a beta and as such cannot be accepted as a competitor to win3 1 its not on the market same for os 2 2 1 for a couple or weeks  o wolfgang strobl wolfgang strobl gmd de 49 2241 14 2394 btw cute sig  brett d sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng uc edu u of cincy catch the cats college of engineering if you can 
cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in c5hi0b 26c constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes  in article 1993apr13 220105 26409 slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com dan day writes in article 93apr08 202003 27851 acs ucalgary ca parr acs ucalgary ca charles parr writes as a long time motorcyclist i have never understood what posessed auto builders to put delicate controls which must be used with skill and finesse like clutches and brakes on the floor  why not hand control its much much easier  in the early days neither of these functions had power assist so only legs had enough strength to activate them since then its been traditional and people would have a hard time getting used to anything else  well where exactly would you put a hand clutch and brake on a motorcycle its easy the handlebars have a very limited range of turning steering wheels on the other hand turn around and around and around which is fine for electrical relays like your cruise control and airbag but how many of you want to lose your clutch and or brake due to a short circuit  shades of the edsel they had pushbuttons in the steering wheel hub that controlled the auto tranny it was very disconcerting to shift into reverse when turning a corner and the wires shorted  there are workarounds but theres really no reason to use hand power on a cars clutch or brakes and lightening them to the point that they are finesse controls suitable for hand use would increse the mechanical complexity substantially look at power brakes and non power brakes for an example  i saw an experimental car that had a joystick instead of a steering wheel  thats about useless imho  another automotive oddity is separate keys for trunks doors and ignitions why on earth would you want this  i know i dont  i want a separate trunk key for security reasons it gives me a totally separate lockable container for door and ignition ehhh the same keys ok i guess  james  james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven 
baseball the 1964 phillies deja vu  after reading my local paper today i found out that the phillies started the 1964 season at 10 2 i am not as old as 1964 but ive heard many talk about the serious choke job the phillies did that season they were ahead of the cardinals by 15 games that season in mid august they managed to lose a bunch from then on and the cardinals took the division 15 games ahead and lost it i hope this season is much different  
medicine re cure for dry skin in article 1993apr30 035235 26613 pbs org jlecher pbs org writes as a matter of fact i just saw a dermatologist the other day and while i  seeing a dermatologist sounds like a very good idea if you are worried about your dry skin  don mackie his opinions 
guns re guns in backcountry no thanks hmm wouldnt manditory saftey classes registration of both the owner and gun and manditory liability insurance be nice for gun owners  the two are not the same as i pointed out above there are significant difference between making rules for use on public property and making rules for ownership  the other half of the objection is trust similar things to this have been tried in many local jurisdications across the country and have been abused in far too many cases safety classes which are never sheduled never funded or only one or two is held a year for a limited number of participants registration lists in new york chicago and california have been used for confiscation many gun owners would in theory support these planes although the numbers overwhelmingly show that competence is not the problem that intentional misuse is theyve simply seen it abused and are leery of the next person who comes down the pike with a reasonable suggestion theyve already seen abused  gun safety classes sound good in theory but they kind of remind me of the literacy tests used in the bad old days to keep blacks from voting they came with the grandfather clause if your grandfather could vote you could vote sort of like the gun safety laws that only let the political ass kissers have guns doug holland  
medicine re alt psychoactives fyi i just posted this on alt psychoactives as a response to what the group is for   a note to the users of alt psychoactives  this group was originally a takeoff from sci med the reason for the formation of this group was to discuss prescription psychoactive drugs such as antidepressents tri cyclics prozac lithium etc antipsychotics melleral sp etc ocd drugs anafranil etc and so on and so forth it didnt take long for this group to degenerate into a psudo alt drugs atmosphere thats to bad for most of the serious folks that wanted to start this group in the first place have left and gone back to sci med where you have to cypher through hundreds of unrelated articles to find psychoactive data  it was also to discuss real life experiences and side effects of the above mentioned  oh well i had unsubscribed to this group for some time and i decided to check it today to see if anything had changed nope same old nine or ten crap articles that this group was never intended for  i think it is very hard to have a meaningfull group without it being moderated too bad  oh well obviously no one really cares  bill claussen   would anyone be interested in starting a similar moderated group  bill claussen  
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medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article ls8lnvinnrtb saltillo cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes  not imply that all their treatments are ineffective it does imply that those who rely on faulty methodology and reasoning are incapable of discovering which treatments are effective and which are not  to start with no methodology or form of reasoning is infallible so theres a question of how much certainty we are willing to pay for in a given context insistence on too much rigor bogs science down completely and makes progress impossible expenditure of sufficiently large sums of money and amounts of time can sometimes overcome this on the other hand with too little rigor much is lost by basing work on results which eventually turn out to be false there is a morass of studies contradicting other studies and outsiders start saying you people call this science my opinion for what its worth is that one sees both these phenomena happening simultaneously in some parts of psychology  some subjective judgement is required to decide on the level of rigor appropriate for a particular investigation i dont believe it is ever possible to banish subjective judgement from science   my second point though is that highly capable people can often make extremely reliable judgements about scientific validity even when using methodology considered inadequate by the usual standards i think this is true of many scientists and i think it is true of many who approach their discipline in a way that is not generally recognized as scientific  within mathematics i think there are several examples especially before the twentieth century one conspicuous case is that of riemann who is famous for many theorems he stated but did not prove later mathematicians did prove them of course  i think that for a good scientist empirical investigation is often not so much a matter of determining what is true and whats not as it is a matter of convincing other people people have proposed lots of incompatible definitions of science here but i think the ability to objectively convince others of the validity of ones results is an essential element not that one can necessarily do that at every step of the scientific process but i think that if one is not moving toward that goal then one is not doing science  when a person other than a scientist is quite good at what he does and seems to be very successful at it i think that his judgements are also worthy of respect and that his assertions are well worth further investigation  in article c53by5 hd news hawaii edu i wrote namely is there really justification for the belief that science is a superior path to truth than non scientific approaches  admittedly my question was not at all well posed a considerable amount of effort in a serious scholarly investigation such as i suggested would be required simply to formulate an appropriately specific question to try and answer  the science i was thinking of in my question is the actual science currently practiced now in the last decade of the twentieth century i certainly wasnt thinking of some idealized science or the mere use of reason and observation  one thing i had in mind in my suggestion was the question as to whether in many cases the subjective judgements of skilled and experienced practitioners might be more reliable than statistical studies  since russell turpin seems to be much more familiar than i am with the study of scientific methodology perhaps he can tell us if there is any existing research related to this question   in the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects  lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lady uhunix bitnet 
windows re re re challenge to microsoft supporters in article twalls 02vo ncc1701d demon co uk twalls ncc1701d demon co uk tim walls writes from twalls ncc1701d demon co uk tim walls subject re re re challenge to microsoft supporters date mon 10 may 1993 19 23 26 0000 in article 9may93 20570058 vax clarku edu rmohns vax clarku edu writes  but i dont want to have to run blasted windows every time i want to delete a tree it is absolutely ludicrous to load a hog like that just to delete some files it would be like requiring a crane to change the tyre on a car  you dont and never had to thats what enhanced shells are for remember 4dos and ndos i mean come on you cant expect dos to cover everything from r1 0 microsoft has other projects to work on  they want you to move to windows 3 1 then later to win32 and eventually to cairo this way they give you a reason to  by deliberately crippling the product surely no  oh hold on i guess youre right that certainly stinks of microsoft marketing techniques  i dont think they deliberately crippled the project on the other hand it is a technical achievement for what it does considering that it rides on top of dos i mean you get a gui with reasonable speed on a pc with xwindows running on top of linux or something similar youre still gonna need a fast processor  re doss death well amen to that but i wish it were a damn sight deader for a dead product its used an awful lot and i suspect its going to carry on twitching for a long while yet which isnt doing anyone any good  except for the people who use dos programs which means about 75 or more of the business world  mike  
windows re canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 i edited a few newsgroup from that line dont like to crosspost that much i cant compare the two but i recently got an hp deskjet 500  im very pleased with the output remember that im used to imagens laser and postscript printers at school looks very good you have to be careful to let it dry before touching it as it will smudge  the deskjet is slow this is in comparison to the other printers i mentioned i have no idea how the bubblejet compares  the interface between win3 1 and the printer is just dandy ive not had any problems with it  hope that helps some  cindy   cindy tittle moore  internet tittle ics uci edu bitnet cltittle uci bitnet uucp ucbvax ucivax tittle usnail po box 4188 irvine ca 92716 
guns re die koresh die the explanations of federal law enforcement officials about what happened in waco is just another example of the survivors writing the history books to put themselves in the best of a bad light  dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com  im beginning to look forward to reaching the 100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt at that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds 
baseball re lets talk phillies in article 1993apr16 060540 27397 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes in article 1993apr15 232551 14817 leland stanford edu eechen leland stanford edu emery ethan chen writes one phrase for you you thanks  perhaps its time to start rec sport baseball graffiti where the kiddies can go yell taunts and insults at each other and leave the rest of us in peace  sherri nichols snichols adobe com    well sherri id agree with you except that most kiddies have more sense than to spew their obscenities in front of a group of adults  i try to edit this newsgroup and feed it to one of the local elementary schools they have a group of students that just love baseball and are learning to use computers but im telling you its gotten to the point that i dont even edit the files anymore just read them and throw out the trash and thanks to all you people that think its wonderful to include a swear word or two in your signature files thats really nice i have to read the whole article and then toss it out because of the sig dont get me wrong i know all the words you do and ive even made up some of my own or i wouldnt be able to edit them out but this just doesnt seem to be the place a public forum to spew foul language sorry  thanks to all you people that keep in mind there might be some decent young people interested in baseball and computers reading this newsgroup they enjoy your articles  phil 
cars re 6700 for hail damage a record  in article 1993apr21 053516 28846 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article 1993apr20 203219 7724 pencom com stecz pencom com writes in article 1993apr19 235711 7285 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes   my 90 integra was hit hard in the 3 25 hailstorm in austin tx the insurance company cut me a check for 6600 100 deductible last week is this a record anybody else had settlements from the same hailstorm yet  craig   rumor has it that a guy at dell computer had his miata totalled so that would be about 10k  i guess it either had the top down or the hail ripped through the top as you could not do 10k worth of hail damage to a miata body  craig     john steczkowski stecz pencom com the constitution grants you the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness it does not attempt to guarantee that everyone will be happy   there was a volvo owner that had 3000 dollars worth of improvements to the looks of the car by hail 
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