guns re civil rights violations eighth amendment 1 the davidians suffered cruel and unusual punishment when f thoes who escaped were imprisoned without bail without a hearing happens all the time they were arraigned the next day id doubt youd have any luck on this point i had heard that not all were arraigned yet some were being held as material witnesses baseball re mlb nba in article 93109 190117rvesterm vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes in article mssc5qrrz 91h netcom com mss netcom com mark singer says 1 why would owners decrease ticket prices when they obviously get lots of people to pay the price theyre asking i dont think that it is obvious that lots of people are willing to pay the price im sure someone out there in net land has some facts about trends in attendance regarding percentage of capacity sold but even if the trends are relatively flat you have to consider what is happening on a team by team basis when the tv money dries up franchises will be seeking to supplant the lost revenues from alternative sources one of the best sources may be ticket sales example 1 the dodgers the dodgers can count on a strong base of season ticket sales and probably believe that they have the ability to raise prices without hindering revenues i certainly think that is true example 2 the padres they will be lucky to average 10 000 fans a game this year if they raise prices less if they want to increase their overall revenue base the best thing they can do is put a winning team on the field but given that wont happen it wont they can probably make more money by lowering ticket prices and running frequent promotions will they do that i have no idea but they wont increase prices because it wont work for them 2 even assuming that you have some strange power to make the owners decrease ticket prices that does not decrease the tv contract the only strange powers at work here are the forces of the market place each teams market is somewhat different and each owner is going to be faced with a unique set of circumstances about how to deal with those market forces as a buiness manager i would never want to lower my prices but sometimes that strategy is necessary and sometimes it works you have to consider everything if you want continued success the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com baseball re phills vs pirates as a philly fan as as a penna baseball fan im anxious to see the penna series anyone know when it starts and where the first games will be played this is i think always good baseball to me and the pirates are also off to a good start ed doc windows bungee after dark module uploaded hey folks just moments ago i uploaded the bungee jumper after dark module that was widely talked about on here some time ago its at ftp cica indiana edu in pub pc win3 uploads titled simply bungee zip be sure to set your ftp connection to binary mode before downloading if you have any other after dark shareware freeware modules please upload them too the more the merrier andrew andrew bennett ajbennett miavx1 acs muohio edu what planet are you from guns re waco questions 16 what is the condition of the propane tank mentioned by the bd survivors i e is it crushed and does it have tread marks on it dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com the u s government has become a garrotte around the necks of its citizens just as with a garrotte the more people struggle to breathe the air of freedom the more the government tightens its stranglehold the only possible outcomes at this point are the death of government or the elimination of personal freedom cars re car buying story was christ another dealer service scam while not exactly a service incident i had a similar experience recently when i bought a new truck i had picked out the vehicle i wanted and after a little haggling we agreed on a price i wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax and license and told them id be back that evening to pick up the truck when i returned i had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could get to me when i finally got in there everything went smoothly until he started adding up the numbers he then discovered that they had miscalculated the tax license by about 150 this seems to be a popular scam with dealers last month my brother bought a new audi 90 series quatro from a local dealer they came back with the final price tax and all and he added it up for himself there happened to be an extra 300 tagged on under the tax part he pointed out their error and asked them to re think their addition they came back with the right price the next time medicine centi and milli pedes does anyone know how posionous centipedes and millipedes are if someone was bitten how soon would medical treatment be needed and what would be liable to happen to the person just for clarification i have not been bitten by one of these but my house seems to be infested and i want to know just in case rebecca religion peace run 93 welcome to the peace run youre invited to join in a global relay run and help light the way why the peace run theres a new spirit in the nineties a spirit of oneness a growing belief in the possibility of true global peace the goal of the sri chinmoy oneness home peace run is simple to bring this spirit forward in a concrete way to transform it into a reality in their own lives every other year thousands of men women and children from more than 70 nations passing a flaming peace torch from hand to hand join together in a relay run that virtually circles the globe transcending political and cultural boundaries they go from nation to nation across mountains jungles and deserts carrying the message of brotherhood to all humankind each person who holds or runs with the peace torch lights a path for those who follow each time the peace torch changes hands the flame of oneness burns a little brighter until one day it will shine in the hearts and minds of every individual on earth making history the three peace runs since 1987 have achieved some historic break throughs in the middle east a landmark run crossed the egyptian israeli border in europe a precedent setting run linked eastern and western europe with russia in the united states mexico and canada entire cities were dedicated to the cause of world peace and in poland the peace torch was blessed by pope john paul ii speaking as one world leaders celebrities and you the peace run has won the support of leaders the world over presidents prime ministers religious leaders sports figures and entertainment personalities its message has spread to a half billion people though newspaper reports magazine articles and radio and tv broadcasts including specials on pbs mtv and nbcs today show i am happy to support your peace run for justice peace and reconciliation the world must know that god wants us to live amicably as brothers and sisters members of one family the human family gods family archbishop desmond tutu nobel peace prize winner how it all works peace run 1993 started with a five borrough relay in new york city on saturday april 17 converging at various points to lead up to the opening ceremony outside the united nations dag hammarskjold building there runners from around the world were gathered for the fourth lighting of the peace torch from there peace torches are now being transported to over seventy countries for a series of concurrent international or cross country relay runs including the united states canada japan australia russia and eastern and western europe smaller runs will take place in the philippines mexico israel south america egypt and elsewhere in africa distance to be covered 31 000 miles the peace run wil do much to inspire the hearts and stimulate the minds of those who support participate in witness or hear about the event carl lewis six time olympic gold medalist whos behind it the peace run is sponsored by the sri chinmoy marathon team an international running organization that believes sports can be a powerful instrument for promoting world peace each year the team puts on hundreds of athletic events including several world class ultramarathons marathons and triathlons in dozens of countries the peace run itself is inspired by the global peace ambassador sri chinmoy who has written and lectured extensively on peace offered hundreds of free peace concerts and met with countless world figures to advance the cause of international harmony the run is managed by peace runs international a non profit organization based in the united states take a step for peace the peace runs in 1987 1989 and 1991 attracted nearly half a million participants were expecting even more people to join peace run 93 you can also join the run carrying the peace torch a few steps a few blocks or a few miles or you can come out and cheer the runners as they carry the torch through your community you can also join local celebrities and government officials in one of the thousands of welcoming ceremonies scheduled along the 70 nation route your inner support is important too if youre a runner each time you go out you can dedicate your run to the cause of world peace the next step is yours make it one for peace for information contact peace runs international 161 44 normal road jamaica ny 11432 usa tel 718 291 6637 fax 718 291 6978 peace run canada 2456 agricola street halifax nova scotia b3k 4c2 tel 902 425 1174 fax 902 420 0773 or for the phone number or address of a peace run office in your town or country reply to this message by e mail baseball red sox choke contest to encourage the great tradition of red sox negativism i am having a contest to predict the magnitude of the sox fall from their current heights you must decide first whether the sox will be at 500 again at any time during this year then you must predict either 1 their record the first time theyre at 500 if they are or 2 their final record if they stay above 500 the rest of the year so valentines earlier prediction would go as 13 13 resend it if you were serious val espn pointed out last night that the last sox start better than this was in 1952 when they finished 76 78 in sixth place so email me your guess either at barring cs washington edu or directly replying to this post entries close 5 pm pdt on wed 28 apr 1993 dave mb medicine q repelling wasps this is a cross post to rec gardens and sci med set the follow up line in the header depending on what kind of advice you give or e mail directly to me ceci lysator liu se i have a problem with wasps they seem to love me last summer i couldnt spend more than ten to fifteen minutes at a time in my garden before one or several wasps would come for me i am asking for advice on how to repel wasps this year the wasps have built their nest under a stone next to one of my tiny ponds the caretaker poor fellow will have to take care of them and that will give me a head start on them last year we couldnt find any nest even after the caretaker has gassed the nest in my tiny garden of 30 square meter other wasps will most likely vie for the territory is there anything i can grow rub on my skin or spread on the soil that will repel the black and yellow bastards never mind if it turns my skin purple or kills off all my beloved plants i want to be able to spend time in my garden like everyone else would it help to remove the ponds and the bird bath the wasps seem to come to drink at them and i suppose that their prey will breed in them the black tits seem to be afraid of the wasps because as soon as the wasp season starts they stop coming to have their bath even when i am not trying to win back my patio from 15 20 wasps they seem to love me the advice i usually get when i ask what to do about wasps is to stand still and not wave my arms ive got some painful stings when trying to follow that advice i have also tried to use hygienic products without perfumes to no avail they still love me and come for me even when im in the middle of a crowd so far only two things seem to work to kill it dead or to run into the house and close all doors and windows nb i dont have a problem with bees or bumble bees just wasps patronizing advice redirected to dev null ceci ceci lysator liu se the number of rational hypotheses that can explain any given phenomenon is infinite phaedrus law from rm pirsigs zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance guns re change of name in article cmm 0 90 2 735383339 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes note my posting was in reply to those about fbi torching the plasce after filling it with napalm and arrested people dissapering about waco it looks to me as the batf and fbi cant handle situations like this the way it went reminds me of stun bomb beeing dropped on a house in la from a helicopter whole block went up in flames 5 died it doesnt have to be a conspiracy maybe they just screwed up i dont think weve got a conspiracy on our hands or anything vaugely similar i do think that the feds showed a distinct lack of both intelligence and disregard for others safety throughout this whole mess i do think the fbi and the batf screwed up big what made me really concerned was fbi director william sessions being on cnn engaging in what could only be called spin control before the place had even cooled down evertyhing had literally blown up in their faces and i felt there had to be something more important he should have been doing david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al windows save my hard disk allocation error cross linked hi while running the ms quick c compiler in a dos window under windows 3 1 this evening i got a program has violated system integrity close all applications exit windows and restart your computer error i started to do this when i immediately got a serious disk error message from windows hit return to retry i did that about 5 times and then rebooted to find that quite a few files have been corrupted somehow i am including the chkdsk output below questions 1 is there an easy way to restore everything to working order what might be some better approaches 2 what might have caused this does the smartdrv cache make me more vulnerable im suspicious of hard drive caches especially when they cache data writing the straightforward approach would be to run chkdsk with the f option to fix the disk and then it looks like i would probably have to reinstall windows and a few other things thanks for your comments and suggestions brad banko ps this is a 386sx machine with a 40mb hard drive and 2 mb of ram chkdsk output volume serial number is 1159 09d3 errors found f parameter not specified corrections will not be written to disk c gfx vpic46 cvpic exe allocation error size adjusted c gfx vpic46 vpic txt allocation error size adjusted c gfx vpic46 video7 cfg allocation error 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each allocation unit 20687 total allocation units on disk 764 available allocation units on disk 655360 total bytes memory 579712 bytes free brad banko dept of physics u of illinois b banko uiuc edu see one do one teach one 73 de kb8cne n9lnq il cars re too fast in article 1qh61m b6l armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes its a bit hard to prove a point like this but i can compare the i was hoping for something like the chassis exhibits x degrees of flex when subjected to forces of more than y units forces of more than y units begin to manifest at z miles per hour not well gee it wasnt designed to go fast because uhh well gee it wasnt designed to go fast its not a porsche you know come with better seatbelts more supportive seats a stronger passenger compartment cage better brakes a stiffer suspension different tires and a body design that takes advantage of aero effects to keep the car on the ground what do they come with well as compared to the normal taurus the sho comes with more supportive seats better brakes a stiffer suspension different tires and a body design that takes advantage of aero effects to keep the car on the ground or at least i think thats what all that boy racer plastic is for youre kidding yourself if you think any car on the road has a passenger compartment made to withstand 130 mph impacts compare either to the porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed oh right only 120 000 dollar cars should be driven fast they drive goddamn rabbits at 120 mph in europe pal and i reckon a taurus is at least as capable as a rabbit certainly havent convinced me of course not speeding is bad speeding is illegal i will not speed i love big brother you had your mind made up already its interesting that lots of the roads out west had no speed limits until 1975 wr windows re wallpaper in windows 3 1 in article 1qvpdo q7i bigboote wpi edu bigal wpi wpi edu nathan charles crowell writes hi there is there any utility available that will make windows randomly select one of your windows directorys bmp files as the wallpaper file nate nates sig there are a couple i am personally using screenpeace which is a screen saver which will also select your wallpaper from a specified directory not necessarily the windows dir let me know if you want info ive been pretty happy with screenpeace and the latest version 3 is not at cica but oak windows3 scrpc3or something mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd baseball re bosox win again the team record is 9 3 in article jxu 735168686 black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu dark wing duck writes today frank viola and rest of pitcher staff of boston red sox shutout chicago white sox 4 0 it is red sox 9th win of this season so far red sox won all the games roger and frank v pitched 6 0 and 3 3 when other three starters were pitching tomorrow dopson will pitch again have a good first start and rocky second start i wonder that bosox can play over 500 ball without roger and frank v as long as the yankees are in the same division the red sox will play better than 500 baseball or the red sox can hire former east german swimming coaches to train them at the fine art of body building the red sox can use chinese women swimmers as a reference with the hawk the red sox definitely have a chance for the east this year he brings class work ethic and leadership to the park each day and he has a burning desire to play in the world series future hall of famer andre dawson will kick butt in boston from rockies country anthony m jivoin national center for atmospheric research rsf atd fl1 p o box 3000 boulder co 80307 guns two questions id appreciate any help anyone could give me on these two questions the brady bill was in the news throughout 1992 but what actually happened to it in congress did bush veto it if so when also the state of virginia i believe just passed a gun control bill on febrauary 25 of this year i think it limits gun purchases to one a month is this correct what was the bill number anyone cars re lh workmanship in article 1993apr15 203750 25764 walter bellcore com jchen ctt bellcore com writes i just visited the ny auto show and saw two lh cars on the floor eagle vision and dodge intrepid really nice i must say very attractive styling lots of features and room at a competitive price unfortunately the workmanship is quite disappointing on both cars the rubber seals around the window and door fell off it turns out the seals are just big grooved rubber band it goes on just by pressing the groove against the tongue on the door frame surely it would come off easily lack of build quality was the thing i notced on the first 2 lhs i saw months back the panel gaps were large and non uniform between the 2 cars i saw the kind of thing you expect and accept on a mustang but not from chryslers savior i drove one of the low end cars and thought it was more than adequate id prefer an lh to a taurus from my brief experience craig i am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering assembly problems that will show up later i may still consider buying it but only when it establishes a good track record jason chen windows roman bmp 12 14 part 12 of 14 max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max 3 9 l i 5w w w giz bj n m 7ey 7ey 7 p p m p p bhj kn n m p p nrhj biz1pmf 8 ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax as q 1f pl i 6ei 6ei 51t 1t mw m w w w wt 1z4 v 8 ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax 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m3l g2f0 m m i 5f 8 ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax as q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 8 z6e1t 1 m ghjn n nuy 7 p p p 9f0 p p f9f9 3t tm 2tm 2tm 2 end of part 12 of 14 cars re impala ss going into i still cant understand all the hype about the impalla ss it still has the ugly caprice body orca on wheels the caprice was the worst new body style to come out of detroit ever now just because the lt1 engine and a few suspension tweeks are being added its still ugly its still a barge gms answer to everything is throw in a v8 and someone will buy it or add some plastic ground affects and a few stickers and call it a gt gtz or ss and someone will buy it imho gm needs to scrap the caprice body completely and start over with a blank sheet of paper no minor modification wheel well treatments tail amp modification or nose re design or even the lt1 engine will help the existing caprice jeff guns re waco headlines and editorial in boston globe john kim kim39 scws8 harvard edu writes boston globe wednesday april 21 1993 little in the way of rationality could be expected from koresh a self confessed sinner without equal funny if koresh did say that he was quoting st paul of course the early christians were persecuted too if koresh is a loony because he quotes the bible how long is it before mainstream christians become the target of the fbis loving care and attention jason get off the cross we need the wood steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu windows re norton desktop for windows 2 2 in article 1993apr2 180451 15428 exu ericsson se ebuwoo ebu ericsson se james woo 66515 writes hi i wonder if anyone has had a chance try out norton desktop for windows version 2 2 yet i understand the upgrade cost from 2 0 to 2 2 is about 20 00 but i have no idea what the new version has i got the offer to upgrade this weekend its 19 8 50 shipping and handling the s h seem way too steep for just a couple of disks sounds like ripoff city can this purchased at vendors bill volz chevron petroleum technology co earth model interpretation analysis division p o box 446 la habra ca 90633 0446 phone 310 694 9340 fax 310 694 7063 cars re opel owners in article c5t3b2 dg news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca darren gibbons writes im looking for information on opel cars now you ask which model well the sad truth is im not entirely sure but its a two seater with roll over headlights hard top and really sporty looking my friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition body wise but he transmission has seized up on him so it hasnt run for a while does anyone have any info on these cars the engine compartment looks really tight to work on but it is in fine shape and i am quite interested in it thanks darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca this would be the manta would it not sold through buick dealers in the mid 70s as the price leader sounds a lot more like an opel gt to me id guess that this is on the same chassis as the kadett rather than the bigger manta but i could easily be wrong i think the later kadetts were sold here as buick opels craig i think the manta is the european name for the gt im pretty sure well the european manta and us gt have entirely different bodies there is little or no chance that they are the same the manta went through several generations as the coupe version of the ascona and was ok in its time that the only kadetts sold here were are the pontiac lemans i think the not true the kadett has been in and out of the us market over the years the lemans old kadett is only the latest version craig gt is just an early 70s to mid 70s manta different cars one looks like a sports car the other is a coupe chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area medicine re patti dukes problem in article 1993apr26 070649 2138 hemlock cray com n3022 cray com writes does anyone have information about the struggles that patti duke went through in her personal life with severe mood swings did she have some form of chemical imbalance that triggered these problems i recall that she wrote a book about her troubles does someone have the title of that book shes published two books about her manic depressive illness call me anna the autobiography of patty duke patty duke and kenneth turan bantam books 1987 and a brilliant madness living with manic depressive illness patty duke and gloria hochman bantam books 1992 barbara religion re imaginary friends dragons mice he sounds really cute morte kinds like petes dragon maybe smaller maybe a different species winged shakespear wing ed ive always hat a horde of mice to turn to for fun sort of that kind of mouse in cinderella walt disney i grew up sort of as an only child part time my siblings were 10 8 6 years older than me so i was pretty commonly a different sort of charater in their games read non speaking hot cocoa goffer stand in still silent bad guy good guy etc so my mice were playmates more than advisors could curt or whomever has a good list of books please post such list in all sorts of fields like jungian condensed buddist etc philosophies multiple personailty disorders or good fiction that has well worked imaginary friends thanks sheilagh wanting a bunch of library catalouge topics to search thru cars re bimmer vs beamer in article 1993apr18 173934 14572 newsgate sps mot com markm latium mark monninger writes although not in direct response to the referenced article just to set the record straight beamers are bmw motorcycles bmw cars are bimmers please huh i though beamers were ibm employees lets get our terms straight actually some purists would argue that the only true bimmer is a round tail light 2002 or 1600 mark baseball re jewish ballplayers your list of jewish ballplayers includes levi samuel meyerle son of jacob and margaret meyerle although that sounds like a jewish name meyerles surviving relatives say he wasnt jewish according to nineteenth century stars published by sabr in 1989 incidentally long levi he was 6 foot 1 batted 492 in the first season of the national association the first pro league needless to say he hasnt been topped yet of course the na is not considered a major league by officialdom over five seasons meyerle hit 368 in the na he also played for the first three seasons of the nl hitting 329 phil brown aka pb6755 csc albany edu baseball good hands was re apology for article in article c5w7zo 5xl eskimo com stevet eskimo com steven thornton writes stuff deleted mattingly scores badly on both counts he doesnt get to very many balls and he lets a lot of balls go through the fact that he looks smooth has great hands and makes few errors means nothing this is traditional brainless reliance on observations that can easily be misled like a lot of bad fielders mattingly actually makes himself look better by not having any range hes nowhere near as bad as steve garvey but thats not much of a compliment i agree with the flavor of this post but disagree with one specific argument that has great hands means nothing it seems to me that a first basemans defensive value is not entirely or even primarily from his ability to field grounders or catch popups how many such chances does he get during a game many fewer than he gets chances to catch throws from 2b ss 3b and p i mean the total of these is much higher than grounder popup totals this implies to me that there is value in catching these throws well even if they are high up the line or in the dirt good hands are needed for such plays and thus have value i dont have any numbers for the relative number of occurences of these plays but id guess that the values of these abilities are similar its just like you dont judge catchers defense primarily on how they field bunts and popups but not as marked i suppose michael cars re its a rush was re too fast boyle cactus org craig boyle wrote marshatt feserve cc purdue edu zauberer writes wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes remember roads in america are not designed for speeds above 80 meaning they would be safe at 55 65 roads like the autobahn are smoother straiter wider and slightly banked well thats news before 1975 the speed limit on texas highways was 75 the speed limit on the new jersey turnpike i 95 was 70 there were no speed limits in nevada or montana i guess i wasnt clear enough here i said the roads were designed for speeds of 80 or so and still be safe the current 55 65 will add a saftey margin actually the roads were designated as safe at 80 when they were built in the 1950s taking into account the kinds of cars then available the number would be much higher today because the cars tires and just about everything else has imprivoved a lot except the drivers tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea massive difficult to redirect awe inspiring entertaining and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it gene spafford 1992 baseball re lets talk phillies article from as follows from bml2 ns1 cc lehigh edu brian michael lucy subject re lets talk phillies date 15 apr 93 06 29 05 gmt organization lehigh university lines 9 in article uflkll 00vpcekw15e andrew cmu edu al1x andrew cmu edu amit likhy ani writes excerpts from netnews rec sport baseball 9 apr 93 re lets talk phillies u96 msopher vaxc stevens 963 like this oh well how do we spell cellar p i r a t e s ninja jew are there any philly fans who want to put money on that if not stop your woofing ben rivera got hammered true last week but tonight he pitched 6 shutout innings and got 9 runs behind him thats why were 8 1 one phrase for you fuck you thanks windows do we need sdk as well as ddk the microsoft windows device driver kit ddk documentation blurb states that the user must separately acquire the microsoft windows software development kit sdk which contains the windows tools to build the drivers if we are using borland c with application frameworks is this necessary we also have a copy of the microsoft press programmers reference library books which normally comes with the sdk and microsoft macro assembler 6 0 why is the sdk neccessary for development of virtual device drivers steven murray posted on behalf of brian davies guns re rewording the second amendment ideas in article 1993apr21 091130 17788 ousrvr oulu fi dfo vttoulu tko vtt fi foxvog douglas writes this means you would support a ban if it were narrow enough good this was not stated nor implied try asking nerve gas and mustard gas are well defined other poisonous gasses should be individually banned only if it can be shown that there is no use not related to weaponry licenses should be available for research purposes on such chemicals this is laughable licenses right so then i would need a license to possess chlorine gas it is a weapons grade poison would i be breaking the law then if i were to say pour chlorox on the spot where my cat pissed on the floor the reaction of ammonia and bleach liberates pure chlorine gas do i go to jail for this why or why not would i need a license to possess other chemical agents what about nicotine deadly poison and rather fast acting must i now become licensed to posess tobacco and what about nicotine sulphate an even deadlier poison will i need a license to possess this type of insecticide what about raid tm black flag gasoline benzene hydrazine a violent poison will i go to jail for possessing a can of tomatoes that went bad with botulinus what about my mom pop qc lab where i use cyanogen bromide mustard gas to do lot analysis on certain non prescription pharmaceuticals what if i wish to use potassium cyanide to recover gold from aqua regia a license would i need a license to possess beryllium perhaps the most poisonous non radioactive metal how about beryllium copper alloy do i need a license for nitrate fertilizers which could be used to make very powerful explosive devices such as the one that the ira recently detonated killing 1 and injuring 45 can i have vinegar without license hydrogen peroxide where is the line drawn i am not a lawyer but these ideas could certainly be a basis for definitions yes they could but are they good ideas are they needed is there any shred of sanity in them scarcely i trust andy v cars re jeep grand vs toyota 4 runner in article 1pq29p 29p seven up east sun com jfox hooksett east sun com writes any reason you are limited to the two mentioned they arent really at the same point along the suv spectrum not to mention price range how about the explorer trooper blazer montero and if the budget allows the land cruiser any advice on how to buy a land cruiser my local toyota dealer says they get two a year and if i want one i can just get on the waiting list forget about a test drive or even kicking the tires and if they are that rare i doubt there is much of a parts inventory on hand land crusier is just simply nice with shit load of power and room fully stocked it cost 40 000 i think it is worth the money only problem is when you get into accident it doesnt usually break down unless you forget to get a oil change for 30000 miles or something stupid like this body parts and other parts are very hard to locate parts are over priced also one of my friend had accident in past snow storm and he is still waiting for front bumper and passenger side fender well if you test drive land cruiser all other suv look like toys one of magazine writer called it land bruiser if you have 40 000 to spare for suv get land cruiser and forget lange rover sang windows remapping in procomm 4windows one can only remap special command keys in procomm it seems i would like to remap other keys too especially altgr 2 and such combinations anybody know a plain or dirty way to do this of cause most people settle for remapping function keys but i dont see why there should be a limitation yours mattias medicine prohibit for spiral meningitis i like to know how effective prohibit is to prevent spiral meningitis for a child who is five years old i heard its from canada what sort of side effects etc chul hee cho medicine re medication for parkinsons in article 19621 3049 uupcb factory com jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein writes if you want to throw around names drs donald calne terry elizan and jesse cedarbaum dont recommend selegiline not to mention dr william landau gosh jesse is that famous now he was my intern landau not liking it makes me like it out of spite just kidding bill gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars mbenz bmw question when do the new m benz c class cars come out the new nomenclature that mb has adopted will it only apply to the c class cars or will it also apply to the current s class cars does any one know what will replace the current 300 class since the c class will be smaller and more in line with the current 190 another question is bmw realising a new body style on the current 7 series and 5 series they seem to be a bit dated to me windows moving icons i remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away from the mouse as it moved near them does anyone know the name of this program and the ftp location probably at cica kirk membry our age is the age of industry rutgers viamar kmembry alexander rodchenko windows re save my hard disk allocation error cross linked brad banko writes while running the ms quick c compiler in a dos window under windows 3 1 this evening i got a program has violated system integrity close all applications exit windows and restart your computer error gawd i love windows 1 is there an easy way to restore everything to working order what might be some better approaches youll probably want to delete any damaged executables and reload them fresh data files should be examined and repaired 2 what might have caused this does the smartdrv cache make me more vulnerable im suspicious of hard drive caches especially when they cache data writing youre not stupid smartdrive caches things and windows also runs a swap file which may contain data also all of this is pretty risky stuff in a pc environment the straightforward approach would be to run chkdsk with the f option to fix the disk and then it looks like i would probably have to reinstall windows and a few other things a reasonably accurate prediction heres a brief description of how dos stores files there are three pieces to a file the directory entry the fat chain and the data area you can think of these as a sheet of lined notebook paper a sheet of graph paper and a stack of 3x5 cards the directory entry notebook paper holds the file name actual size and first cluster number it also holds some other information thats not important right now the file allocation table fat chain graph paper tells where to find the actual data each square of graph paper holds a number if the number is zero the cluster associated with this box is available if it holds a magic number it is either the last piece of a file or a bad unuseable spot on the disk any other number tells which cluster contains the next section of the file the data area 3x5 cards is where the actual information is stored the data area is organized as clusters of a fixed size storage is doled out in chunks of one cluster each in your case one cluster is 2048 bytes as a cluster is filled another is allocated to read a file you first look at the directory entry to get the starting cluster number now you read the data from that cluster next look at the fat entry for the cluster you just read this will tell you the cluster number for the next chunk of the file naturally these numbers are usually sequential but they can jump around and even go backwards continue reading one cluster at a time as you walk this chain through the fat until you hit the marker which says its the last cluster in the file chkdsk is the dos utility that checks the sanity and coherence of the directories and the fat and can bludgeon most flaws into submission it doesnt have any intelligence so you have to double check anything it fixes now lets do a bit of a post mortem c gfx vpic46 cvpic exe c gfx vpic46 vpic txt c gfx vpic46 video7 cfg c gfx vpic46 orcpro2 cfg c gfx vpic46 vga cfg c game goose bird2 x c winmisc adv21 winadv exe allocation error size adjusted all of these files have sizes according to the fat which dont match the size reported in their directory entries chkdsk f will alter the directory entries to match the fat size in other words the directory entry for cvpic exe may say the file is 64 877 bytes long but chkdsk found a fat chain of 43 clusters attached to it my numbers obviously are made up 316 lost allocation units found in 224 chains 647168 bytes disk space would be freed disk space was found which is allocated in the fat but is not attached to any directory entry chkdsk f gives you the option of converting these lost chains to files you can then examine the files file0000 chk through file0223 chk and rename or discard them or if you tell chkdsk not to convert them to files then those clusters will simply be marked available in the fat c gfx vpic46 cvpic exe is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 c 386spart par is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 these files are both referencing the same data cluster obviously one of them at least must be wrong its interesting to note that c 386spart par is your windows swap file to fix this you should copy each cross linked file to a new name this will fix the cross link by giving the files unique data spaces now delete the cross linked files examine the copies and try to assemble them properly good luck hint missing pieces are likely to be found in those lost chains at the top 42366976 bytes total disk space 3958784 bytes in 4 hidden files 153600 bytes in 67 directories 36042752 bytes in 1496 user files 1564672 bytes available on disk your disk is pretty close to full this may be the actual cause of the problem perhaps windows needed to expand its swapfile by an amount which exceeded available disk space in any case the short summary is that something trashed your fat there are utilities that can mirror your fat and help repair damage after something like this but you have to run them before the problem occurs sorry gordon s hlavenka cgordon vpnet chi il us vote straight ticket procrastination party dec 3rd gordon s hlavenka cgordon vpnet chi il us vote straight ticket procrastination party dec 3rd baseball re sid fernandez in article 1993apr15 145914 1575 csi jpl nasa gov cub csi jpl nasa gov ray miller writes i read this morning that sid fernandez left last nights game with stiffness in his shoulder does anyone have any information as to the extent of the injury if indeed there is one or weather the cold air in colorado just got his joints a little stiff thanks for the help all they said on the radio that he developed stiffness in the shoulder after throwing a curveball that didnt loosen because of the cold night in denver they decided to remove him from the game rather than let him pitch he is expected to pitch his next turn in the rotation expected to be april 20 at shea vs the giants scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe lets go mets cars re legal car buying problems in article c5sydn c2v megatest com jao megatest com john oswalt writes however if you agree some terms and then when about to sign the dealer slips you a contract with different terms and leads you to believe that it embodies the terms you verbally agreed to that is fraud there is no 3 day limit on restitution for fraud you may have to sue and win to get out of this you will almost certainly have to threaten to sue on the other hand remember the old adage that a verbal agreement isnt worth the paper its printed on once you sign you are going to have one hell of a time proving fraud based on a comparison to what you thought you were going to sign being in the right is one thing proving it is another brian g gordon briang sun com briang netcom com b gordon2 on genie 70243 3012 on compuserve bgordon on aol windows strange 386 enhanced behavior howdy we have been having a real problem with an ast 386sx 16 machine with 4mb of ram we installed paradox for windows but i dont think paradox is the real problem here and the installation went ok windows is installed on a local drive paradox installed on a novell network netware 386 v3 26 or greater dos 5 win 3 1 but the program will not load in 386 enchanted mode the thermometer bar goes to 60 and we then either get a invalid command com or a windows nastygram talking about an illegal instruction ive checked out the command com thing but as a long time c programmer ive crashed my share of machines with pointer problems and this is a standard behavior anyway paradox will run in standard mode but not enhanced we also have quattro pro windows exhibiting the same behavior spent about 2 hours with borlands tech people with no avail the guy i talked to a microsoft didnt want to really dig in and help as he gave up pretty quickly somewhat disappointing really i expected more from microsoft youd think with all the millions of windows installations that they would have seen all the possible problems but i guess not microsoft had sent us a 13 page fax on fixing uae and general protection faults sorry i cant fax anything out of here so please dont ask try microsoft which we tried we did everything they said and still no luck so if you can help please mail me this problem is driving us nuts i will greatly appreciate any information anyone can pass on thanks kelly this is the real signature please ignore the following demon signature kelly j grant grantk nosc mil 4045 hancock st 619 225 2562 the next time someone asks you if you san diego ca 92110 are a god you say yes kelly grant grantk manta nosc mil 619 553 0850 computer sciences corp important manta uucp wont get to me 4045 hancock street if you are given lemons see if you can trade for san diego ca 92110 chocolate me baseball re game length was re braves update in article 20apr93 15151474 vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu writes i agree with nick whats the big deal about long games if you want to watch baseball theres that much more baseball to watch and yes baseball includes the space between plays as well as the plays themselves i dont really mind the length of games either if they want to speed the games up in sensible ways thats fine with me too however what i object to is the assertion by baseball people whitey herzog buck rodgers are who ive heard say this that games are too long because hitters are taking too many pitches and that the strike zone needs to be expanded john franjione department of chemical engineering university of colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu baseball stats im trying to find a site that has updated daily stats more the national league ill take both leagues but im really interested in the national league how about them philadelphia sillies guns re reasonable civie arms limits in article 1993apr19 223925 2342 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes a poster claims he always asks anti gunners what they think would be reasonable personal firepower restrictions ok then caliber not greater than 32 muzzle not greater than 300 ft lbs with any combo of bullet wt vel action single shot rifles and single action revolvers revolvers bearing no more than six rounds and incorporating an anti fanning mechanism to discourage roy rogers wannabes bullets any non explosive variety hps just fine now these specs leave the 32 h r magnum as about the most powerful allowable civie cartridge for handgun or rifle use it would be reasonably effective against home intruders muggers rabid wolves and other such nasties even with the firearm type limitations at the same time this caliber power limit would reduce the ultimate lethality of hits the chances of the average joe encountering a gang of huge individuals all drunk and stoned on pcp and crystal meth and with a bad attitude and all armed and willing to die well its about zero far less than the chances of getting killed driving your car when will you people realize that our right to keep and bear isnt primarily intended to be for protecting against criminals and beasties in the wild granted it is a big part but we also need military style weapons so we can fight off the government when they come to our door when ten agents come to my door it would be nice to be able to shoot all of them for not upholding the constitution to the best of their ability it will be a lot harder doing that with the puny weapons you listed above please read the federalist papers for all clarification on rkba these documents have cleared up plenty of misnomers that friends of mine have had matt porter mporter cis ohio state edu mporter magnus acs ohio state edu medicine re lung disorders and clubbing of fingers in article slagle 93mar26205915 sgi417 msd lmsc lockheed com slagle lmsc lockheed com writes can anyone out there enlighten me on the relationship between lung disorders and clubbing or swelling and widening of the fingertips what is the mechanism and why would a physician call for chest xrays to diagnose the cause of the clubbing purists often distinguish between true clubbing and pseudo clubbing the difference being that with true clubbing the angle of the nail when viewed from the side is constantly negative when proceeding distally towards the fingertip with pseudo clubbing the angle is initially positive then negative which is the normal situation real internists can talk for hours about clubbing im limited to a couple of minutes whether this distinction has anything to do with reality is entirely unclear but it is one of those things that internists love to paw over during rounds supposedly only true clubbing is associated with disease the problem is that the list of diseases associated with clubbing is quite long and includes both congenital conditions and acquired disease since many of these diseases are associated with cardiopulmonary problems leading to right to left shunts and chronic hypoxemia it is very reasonable to get a chest xray however many of the congenital abnormalities would only be diagnosed with a cardiac catheterization the cause of clubbing is unclear but presumably relates to some factor causing blood vessels in the distal fingertip to dilate abnormally clubbing is one of those things from an examination which is a tipoff to do more extensive examination often however the cause of the clubbing is quite apparent km guns re batf fbi revenge pat rwing uucp pat myrto writes well maybe i am overreacting this is probably the best part of your post everything else is shrill speculation tom gift tomgift uxa cso uiuc edu cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr15 170720 8538 colorado edu drew kinglear cs colorado edu drew eckhardt writes most cars have drain petcocks in the radiators and ive never seen nor heard of a vandal opening one i imagine that there would be an even lower risk with an oil plug because you have to crawl furthur under the car to open it car vandals are usually real traditional in their methods and do things that dont get them dirty like keying your car dumping sand sugar or mothballs in the gas tank tping it etc usually go enough places and youll see stuff happen you didnt think did steve baseball you could look it up yes i could look it up but i prefer to post this question to the net i read somewhere in a long forgotten article that the handsignals used by major league umps were originally used to help a deaf ball player by the name of dummy urban myth true i gots ta know mark b mbrownel alchemy chem utoronto ca cars re opel owners in article c5t3b2 dg news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes newsgroups rec autos path llpost ll mit edu xn ll mit edu uhog mit edu wupost howland reston ans net ux1 cso uiuc edu news cso uiuc edu uxa cso uiuc edu cka52397 from cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc subject re opel owners date tue 20 apr 93 19 45 02 gmt 5 00 message id c5t3b2 dg news cso uiuc edu references gibbonsa 735339907 sfu ca c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu 1993apr20 223410 10923 cactus org sender usenet news cso uiuc edu net noise owner organization university of illinois at urbana lines 30 boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca darren gibbons writes im looking for information on opel cars now you ask which model well the sad truth is im not entirely sure but its a two seater with roll over headlights hard top and really sporty looking my friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition body wise but he transmission has seized up on him so it hasnt run for a while does anyone have any info on these cars the engine compartment looks really tight to work on but it is in fine shape and i am quite interested in it thanks darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca this would be the manta would it not sold through buick dealers in the mid 70s as the price leader sounds a lot more like an opel gt to me id guess that this is on the same chassis as the kadett rather than the bigger manta but i could easily be wrong i think the later kadetts were sold here as buick opels craig i think the manta is the european name for the gt im pretty sure that the only kadetts sold here were are the pontiac lemans i think the gt is just an early 70s to mid 70s manta chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area the gt was based on the kadette chassis it was built model years 1969 1973 the manta came out in the 1974 model year and was a 4 seat coupe matthew r singer mit lincoln laboratory 617 981 3771 244 wood street singer ll mit edu lexington ma 02173 baseball zane rescue us from simmons so far simmons looks like a total idiot 1 zane smith should learn how to switchpitch and return from the dl i would rather have zane smith pitch right handed than have moeller pitch at all 2 i am sure simmons was ready to say i told you so after otto had an impressive win last week now ottos latest debacle has restored simmons reputation now he looks like he is back in his 92 form when he had the als highest era among starters four our sake not teds sake i hope he pitches with a 3 5 era for the rest of the season yeah right 3 tomlin and merced are a bit disappointing they are still doing decently but considering the considerable amount of talent and maturity they have shown their first seasons they seem to have actually gotten a little bit worse tomlin was almost unhittable his rookie year against lefty batters merced had a very good oba his rookie year he showed a lot of concentration at the plate in his rookie year 4 walk well he seems to be on the losing end tonight but i still think that walk desrved his contract 5 leyland should accept a part of the blame for the lavalliere situation i cant understand his and managements fear of losing tom prince through waivers even if they do whats the use he is aright hander like slaught not a very smart platoon also i am blaming leyland in this case since he is hcurrently convinced that lavalliere is through while giving him way too much time last year in the regular season and the playoffs slaught should have played in all 7 games he has a good average against right handed pitching didnt leyland and simmons forsee this last year and attempt to trade lavalliere last year itself any fool could tell them lavalliere wasnt very fit last year 6 dennis moeller is scary 7 candeleria well he is not going to have such a high era at the end of the season maybe it will be in 3 4 range but 1 million plus come on other than the customary home run giving stage patterson goes through for a few weeks patterson has served the pirates very well each year so far he seems to have pitched well for the rangers i think the pirates should have spent the money on patterson in stead 8 the rookie batters well young has surprised me a bit with his instant impact other than that their excellent performance hasnt been too much of a surprise i think we should thank doughty for that 9 rookie pitchers worse than expected especially cooke 10 slaught how come he wasnt given a contract extension last year now his value has increased immensely 11 lonnie smith well eric davis was signed for a comparable amount lets see eric can hit better he can run better he can field better now why didnt the pirates go after eric davis an injured davis is better than a healthy lonnie smith even if lonnnie smith gets some big hits this year he wont be an asset he has looked terrible on the bases and in the field 12 management big big zero sauer has yet to make a forceful agreement in favor of revenue sharing he seems more concerned about pleasing that idiot danforth by preparing the team for a move to tampa bay 13 alex cole fiasco the pirates infield and cf positions look good the rf and lf would have looked good if we could have gotten cole to replace two of the four outfielders eric davis van slyke and cole would have made a very respectable outfield even without eric davis thye pirates would have a respectable outfield with cole svan slyke and merced i think he should hit left handed against lefts in stead of switch hitting simmons did have options for the outfield ironically the biggest accomplishment of simmons tenure was getting alex cole really cheap too bad 14 compensatory draft picks for bonds forget it the pirates can rant and rave they will not get those picks as of now the issue is still being appealed now if this doesnt convince anyone that simmons and sauer are idiots nothing else will on a final note tim wakefield wont be as awful as he was in his last 2 starts but dont count on him pitching like last year for the rest of the season also if the pirates are in contention towards rthe end of the season they will miss reduss clutch hitting and his speed he has peaked in the second half of the last 2 seasons pravin ratnam cars re what car is this deloreans never had a factory v8 they were considering production with a turbo or twin turbo i forget version of the standard v6 as to who produced it you got me jonathan jdrout scott skidmore edu medicine re barbecued foods and health risk in article c5sqv8 edb acsu buffalo edu sfegus ubvm cc buffalo edu wrote in article 79857 cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes an odd exception to the rule seems to be the product known as gumbo file this is nothing more than coarsely ground dried sassafras leaves this is not only a natural product but a natural product still in its natural form so maybe thats how they evade delany or maybe a special exemption was made to appease powerful louisiana democrats one possible reason is that file is made with sassafras leaves while root beer was made with sassafras bark or root bark the leaves contain either no or less saffrole than the bark there is also some sort of treatment which putatively removes saffrole from sassafras products i have some concentrated sassafras tea extract which is claimed to have the saffrole removed i think what we have to keep in mind is that even though it may be illegal to commercially produce sell food with carcinogenic substances it is not illegal for people to do such to their own food smoking etc is this true well the last time that i went to the store to buy sassafras bark to make root beer there was a sign saying that it wasnt sold for human consumption also when i asked the person if they had wild cherry bark and wintergreen bark she made a point of telling me that i couldnt buy sassafras for human consumption i find the fact that some people reckless enough to step into an automobile live in fear of dropping dead because of a pork rib quite funny in a sick way eric pepke internet pepke gw scri fsu edu supercomputer computations research institute mfenet pepke fsu florida state university span scri pepke tallahassee fl 32306 4052 bitnet pepke fsu disclaimer my employers seldom even listen to my opinions meta disclaimer any society that needs disclaimers has too many lawyers guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news in article c4tshu ew6 magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes thats all very well and good but i was refering to all homocides not just ones involving handguns what is this fixation on death by shooting as if it were somehow worse than death by stabbing what relevance are all homicides in this debate the issue is guns not baseball bats no the issue is reducing crime not guns if gun control doesnt lower crime overall then is doesnt address the issue even a simpleton knows that he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat does that matter if assaults with a baseball bat become much more common muggers using a gun rely primarily on the threat of the gun and rarely shoot their victim a mugger using a knife is much more likely to start by stabbing his victim in an effort incapacitate him so while a knif may not be as deadly as a gun criminals are more likely to actually use the knife as opposed to threatening the victim with it it isnt at all clear that replacing the criminals gun with a knife would reduce murders stabbings might just become more common thats why it is important to look at the overall not the with gun homicide rate it avoids the issue of substitution different criminal techinques of using different weapons etc and measures what we want to prevent murders as for knives see my earlier post id much rather face a knife than a gun thanks face possibly however facing knife welding attackers isnt too common stabbing without warning and by supprise is the usual tactic very few criminals shoot from cover it attracts to much attention and they dont have a chance to go through your pockets overall id much rather be threatened with a gun than actually stabbed with a knife fortunately the best defense against a knife isnt another knife anyone trained in unarmed self defense wont have much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife assault which probably means 99 9 of knife assailants actually the exact same statement is true of guns training in unarmed self defence will let you disarm an untrained gunman without much problem you also ignore the criminals reaction the national crime survey clearly shows that criminals unarmed armed with a knife gun or whatever are unwilling to risk their lives in a confrontation if faced with a serious threat almost all prefer to leave and find an easier target therefore using or threatening to use as is much more commonly the case a weapon is the best defence against an attacker regardless of how he is armed knives however are much less effective than guns criminals dont consider knifes as a serious threat nearly as often as they do guns frank crary cu boulder baseball re surgery for hal morris and then cjkuo symantec com jimmy kuo quoth does it strike anyone else how silly it is to impose a 3 game suspension on morris lets see i expect to be back june 15th how many games do we play before june 15th take me off the dl 3 games before june 15th it would be a lot more meaningful if the suspension went into effect some number of games after he came back well either way the reds have to play a man down for 3 days jason lee jplee oboe calpoly edu jlee cash busfac calpoly edu giants e i pi 1 0 the most beautiful equation in mathematics magic for all sad words of tongue and pen the saddest are these number it might have been john greenleaf whittier 153 medicine re food related seizures sharon paulson paulson tab00 larc nasa gov wrote much deleted the fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made by kellogs makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to something in the coating or the cereals of the four of us in our immediate family kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever running nose itchy eyes etc but we have a lot of allergies in our family history including some weird food allergies nuts mushrooms many of these cereals are corn based after your post i looked in the literature and located two articles that implicated corn contains tryptophan and seizures the idea is that corn in the diet might potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder not cause it check to see if the two kellog cereals are corn based id be interested david ozonoff md mph boston university school of public health dozonoff med itvax1 bu edu 80 east concord st t3c 617 638 4620 boston ma 02118 baseball re hbp bb big cat in article mjones 735411536 fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes it would help if his obp were higher than his batting average yes the april 12 usa today lists le grand chapeau as having a 422 batting average and a 413 obp okay ill bite how can obp be lower than batting average sac flies or something ken kubey kubey wpd sgi com 415 390 3536 guns re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm 0 90 2 735386976 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes i dont remember the figures exactly but there were about 3500 deaths in texas in 1991 that was caused by guns this is more than those beeing killed in car accidents yes there could be that low sentences or high poverty could influence the figures but theyre still pretty high right i also believe texas has some of the most liberal gun laws in usa and youd be wrong about that too note that texas isnt unique in this more with gun deaths than with car deaths but some of the other states where it happens have extremely strict gun laws oops so much for the meaning it isnt clear that the comparision means anything anyway as car accidents are unintentional while gun deaths arent but if were going to make it lets at least be honest i should not suffer because of others we all agree on this one but we also live in a sociaty and therefor well have to give up some of our freedom note the give it up for what gun control doesnt have any benefits so it fails by this standard do you have an insurance then youll have to pay because of what others do note that insurance gives me something in return gun control doesnt what the hell is he trying to say when you live in a society usa are stilll counted as one you have to saccrifice the question is how much thats half the question the rest is and what do you get for your sacrifice if the answer to the second question is nothing as it is for gun control then we dont have to ask the first question because getting nothing means that no sacrifice is justified andy cars re warning please read in article 1qh336innfl5 cs utk edu larose austin cs utk edu brian larose writes this just a warning to everybody on the net watch out for folks standing next to the road or on overpasses they can cause serious harm to you and your car just a cliff notes version of my story follows 10pm last night i was travelling on the interstate here in knoxville i was taking an offramp exit to another interstate and my wife suddenly screamed and something large hit the side of my truck we slowed down but after looking back to see the vandals standing there we drove on to the police station she did get a good look at the guy and saw him cock his arm with something the size of a cinderblock but i never saw him we are very lucky the truck sits up high on the road if it would have hit her window it would have killed her the police are looking for the guy but in all likelyhood he is gone stuff deleted i am sorry to report that in southern california it was a sick sport for a while to drop concrete blocks from the overpasses onto the freeway several persons were killed when said blocks came through their windshields many overpass bridges are now fenced and they have made it illegal to loiter on such bridges as if that would stop such people yet many bridges are not fenced i always look up at a bridge while i still have time to take evasive action even though this sport has not reached us here in fresno greg lewis csufresno edu photojournalism sequence department of journalism csu fresno fresno ca 93740 religion federal hearing fact or rumor madalyn murray ohare an atheist who eliminated the use of the bible reading and prayer in public schools 15 years ago is now going to appear before the fcc with a petition to stop the reading of the gospel on the airways of america and she is also campaigning to remove christmas programs songs etc from the public schools if it is true then mail to federal communications commission 1919 h street washington dc 20054 expressing your opposition to her request reference petition number 2493 religion re spreading christianity re christian extremist kills doctor in article yfk8p q00wbm47t0sj andrew cmu edu david r sacco dsav andrew cmu edu writes not to be too snide about it but i think this christianity must be a very convenient religion very maliable and suitable for any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and reinterpret the bits that dont match with ones desires it is in fact so convenient that were i capable of believing in a god i might consider going for some brand of christianity the only difficulty left then of course is picking which sect to join there are just so many yes christianity is convenient following the teachings of jesus christ and the ten commandments is convenient trying to love in a hateful world is convenient turning the other cheek is convenient so convenient that it is burdensome at times your last remark is a contradiction but ill let that pass i was addressing the notion of the great commission which you deleted in order to provide us with dull little homilies thank you bing crosby now you go right on back to sleep and mommy and daddy will tuck you in later oh and how convenient his bible must have been to michael griffin how convenient his christianity well ill just skip the bit about not murdering people and loving the sinner and hating the sin and all that other stuff for now and concentrate on the part where it says that if someone is doing something wrong you should shoot him in the back several times as he tries to hobble away on his crutches ill leave the convert or die program of the missionaries and their military escorts in the americas for nadja to explain as she knows much more about it than i must be awfully convenient by the way to offer platitudes as you have done david rather than addressing the arguments dean kaflowitz windows re windows speaker sound driver in article c5req8 eq2 unix portal com claebaur shell portal com tony s annese writes in article 1993apr19 235430 6097 mnemosyne cs du edu alee mnemosyne cs du edu alec lee writes is there an ftp site where i can get the ms speaker sound driver theres a sound exe file that claims to be the driver but im suspicious since its not a drv file thats the file to clarify a little more sound exe is a self expanding archive which contains the driver which is actually called speaker drv i think ray medicine re chromium for weight loss in article 93119 141946u18183 uicvm uic edu u18183 uicvm uic edu writes there is no data to show chromium is effective in promoting weight loss the few studies that have been done using chromium have been very flawed and inher ently biased the investigators were making money from marketing it theoretically it really doesnt make sense either the claim is that chromium will increase muscle mass and decrease fat of course chromium is also used t o cure diabetes high blood pressure and increase muscle mass in athletes just as well as anabolic steroids sounds like snake oil for the 1990s where are your references i have been unable to find studies that state that chromium cures diabetese it can reduce the amount of insulin you have to take high blood pressure i have never heard of this claim before anabolic steroids i have also never heard of this claim before sounds like you are making things up and stretching the truth for god knows what reason did somebody piss you off at one time on the other hand it really cant hurt you anywhere but your wallet and place bo effects of anything can be pretty dramatic i agree with you that chromium picolinate by itself isnt likely to make a fat person thin but it can be the decisive component of an overall strategy for long term weight control and make an important contribution to good health it is important to exercise 11 12 and also avoid fat calories 9 10 chromium picolinate has shown to reduce fat and increase lean muscle 1 2 3 i will not bore you with the statistics you wouldnt believe these anyway chromium picolinate is an exceptionally bioactive source of the essential mineral chromium chromium plays a vital role in sensitizing the bodys tissues to the hormone insulin weight gain in the form of fat tends to impair sensitivity to insulin and thus in turn makes it harder to lose weight 4 insulin directly stimulates protein synthesis and retards protein breakdown in muscles 5 6 this protein sparing effect of insulin tends to decline during low calorie diets as insulin levels decline which results in loss of muscle and organ tissue by sensitizing muscle to insulin chromium picolinate helps to preserve muscle in dieters so that they burn more fat and less muscle preservation of lean body mass has an important long term positive effect on metabolic rate helping dieters keep off the fat theyve lost chromium picolinate promotes efficient metabolism by aiding the thermogenic heat producing effects of insulin insulin levels serve as a rough index of the availability of food calories so its not at all surprising that insulin stimulates metabolism 4 7 8 note that i did not say that chromium picolinate increases metabolism in summary you need to change your life style in order to loose weight and stay healthy a reduce dietary fat consumption to no more than 20 of calories eating fat makes you fat b increase dietary fiber low in calories high in nutrients c get regular aerobic exercise at least 3 times a week burn calories d take chromium picolinate daily lose fat keep muscle references 1 kaats gr fisher ja blum k abstract american aging association 21st annual meeting denver october 1991 2 evans gw int j biosoc med res 1989 11 163 180 3 page tg ward tl southern ll j animal sci 69 suppl 1 abstract 403 1991 4 felig p clin physiol 1984 4 267 273 5 kimball sr jefferson ls diabetes metab rev 4 773 1988 6 fukugawa nk minaher kl rowe jw et al j clin invest 76 2306 1985 7 fehlmann m freychet p biol chem 256 7449 1981 8 pittman cs suda ak chambers jb jr ray gy metabolism 28 333 1979 9 danforth e jr am j clin nutr 41 1132 1985 10 mccarty mf med hypoth 20 183 1986 11 bielinski r schutz y jequier e am j clin nutr 42 69 1985 12 young jc treadway jl balon tw garvas hp ruderman nb metabolism 35 1048 1986 best regards michael vincze mav asd470 dseg ti com guns new hampshire and maine non resident carry permit application for those who live near or plan to vacation in new hampshire and maine i am posting the basic info of how to apply for a ltc ccw in those states for non residents post will be in rec guns j case kim kim39 husc harvard edu baseball re rickey henderson in article 1993apr6 155118 5779 ra msstate edu js1 isis msstate edu jiann ming su writes in article ls1d6vinns65 appserv eng sun com str maredsous eng sun com todd rader writes stay in school you have a lot to learn learn what i know that 3 million dollars is a lot of money i know rickey henderson doesnt have a career out of baseball i know if he didnt have baseball he wouldnt be making near the money he is now and michael jackson jack nicholson and bill cosby wouldnt be making near as much money if they werent entertainers so whats your point i just dont understand how some athlete who only plays a sport for a living for millions of dollars say he is not being paid enough if nobody will sign him for his asking price he will be the one hurting the as will still win without him will they you cant usually take away one of the teams best players and still expect them to win or do you think the pirates will continue to win without barry bonds remeber many of these athletes have nothing if not for their athletic ability nothing they are getting paid much more than most hard working citizens and they are complaining of not enough pay so again jack nicholson gets paid much more than most hard working citizens and much more than rickey henderson for that matter i dont have a problem with them making millions my problem is when the say they arent being paid enough when they already get 3 million also their numbers get worse the reason the latter often happens is that many of these folks start making the real big salaries late in their career when they are on the decline there are exceptions of course dave parker fell apart after making his first million because he put most of that million up his nose jim mann stratus computer jmann vineland pubs stratus com baseball re jack morris in 1993apr20 142325 1 stsci edu sandoval stsci edu writes ok roger heres a question for you say you are running an expansion team you dont have a team at the moment but the draft is coming up who are you going to pick guys who have won the most ws rings or guys who could contribute the most to your team say the reds were dumb enough to not protect larkin and the jays didnt protect alfredo who would you pick for an expansion team im pretty sure i would go with the rings as long as their salaries and ages werent too high i would want the fans to be able to identify the players i would like a championship attitude in the clubhouse as for larkin and griffin salaries aside i would have to consider which player is likeliest to contribute to a ws victory past performance age and attitude would all be integral to my decision i certainly wouldnt just haul out my copy of gillete and pick larkin as many others would and unlike many others who post to this group i hardly consider myself quali fied to make those kinds of decisions i cant believe im getting involved in this i have never been able to believe it about myself to tell you the truth its like banging your head against a stone wall cordially as always maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time baseball re bases loaded walk gives reds win in 12 in article 1993apr23 120044 15627 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article mssc5xb3i 2cg netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes sigh here we go again actually several scdns stated that there were no definable skills that would make a hitter more likely to perform better in clutch situations vs non clutch situations however one might choose to define clutch right can you define such a skill must i if i were to say that batting average is a predictor that can be used to judge which of two hitters is more likely to get a hit on a particular plate appearance is that only valid if i can define the skill in hitting a baseball thats all ive said except i used the smaller sample of batting average in clutch situations and elsewhere on this thread sherri nichols repeats her position that batting average in clutch situations is a meaningless statistic for predicting the future it has been entirely meaningless at least if it has meaning we dont know how to find it i did not say i could predict the future ive suggested that the statistic is not necessarily meaningless heres the data for this situation non clutch clutch ab h ba ab h ba sabo 1539 452 294 259 59 228 samuel 1564 383 245 278 83 299 if you were to have been the reds manager at that time i assume you would have had some basis for letting sabo hit rather than pinch hitting samuel im sure some of that basis would have utilized prior performance you just wouldnt have used this particular aspect of prior performance is this not correct ill try to avoid being insulting but its difficult when you so cavalierly dismiss hundreds of hours of work with an i dont pretend to understand but nobody is denying that there are people who have hit well in the clutch in the past but i challenge you to find a method to predict who will hit well in the clutch in the future which after all is what you are claiming you can do since one more time i did not claim to be able to predict the future i said that i accept the above data as an indication that samuel would have had a better chance for success in that situation than sabo and i am not dismissing your work im stating my opinion you are saying that your work renders any opinion to the contrary invalid so that the retention of that opinion is some kind of insult to your work fine we have plenty of data obviously our preconceived biases must be coloring our work since you know clutch hitting is a well defined and consistent skill all of our failures not withstanding so i challenge you to prove it i guarantee you that if you can prove the existance of some form of clutch ability you will have plenty of happy sdcns dancing around you i did not say that clutch hitting is well defined i said that the data is significant to me i did not say that it is a consistent skill i have said that it is an indicator of performance under a certain set of circumstances but you arent going to win any support by merely stating a position and claiming they are stupid so i must be right and big sigh i have not not not not not not not ever called you or anyone else on r s b stupid it is nice however to see that you will consider the possibility that you actually could have some preconceived biases yeah hindsight is always 20 20 doesnt that make you bright this is a stupid argument and you know it ah i knew we could get to the name calling and theres that word you like so much a suggestion take data from 1990 1991 and attempt to come up with some method that predicts who hit well in the clutch in 1992 if that works we can then attempt to apply it to 1993 and beyond wait a minute i thought i first had to define clutch hitting do i or dont i you have made strong statements now back them up or be proven a total idiot i made two statements in my post 1 i am not convinced of your conclusions regarding clutch hitting 2 i would have hit for sabo as for 2 many of us make a number of written statements through this media about what we think will happen in baseball im not shy about it ill make the statement again i believe that by seasons end that chris sabos batting average in clutch situations will be significantly lower than his batting average in non clutch situations i cant prove that it will happen so i guess well just have to wait and see heres another one for you in 1989 1991 joe carters batting average in clutch situations was significantly below his batting average in non clutch situations each year i presume you think this is random non clutch 1585 ab 411 h 259 clutch 338 ab 68 h 201 so what could we expect in 1992 from mr carter well his composite ba through 1989 was 268 through 1990 was 262 through 1991 was 263 so i think we have a pretty good idea of what kind of batting average he can produce in 1992 he hit 264 not surprising huh also in 1992 non clutch 536 ab 144 h 269 clutch 86 ab 20 h 233 no this doesnt prove any overall statistical trend that can be used to predict future performance across the breadth of major league ballplayers it just makes me think that in 1993 joe carters batting average in the clutch is not going to be as high as his ba in non clutch situations as for 1 above i have plenty of company john dewan of stats inc is the editor of the scouting report wherein the statistics regarding clutch hitting are compiled reported and referenced in the text bill james makes numerous references to a players ability to hit well in the clutch i am not saying that i can predict the future any more than they are you and others are saying that your work renders their statements and mine meaningless i dont accept that which in your words proves that i am a total idiot stupid total idiot my my such hostility the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com cars re the 1994 mustang you know im a ford fan i must say so im looking forward to the next mustang i have faith that it will be a fine product more desireable than the camaro is now you know thats mho true thats your opinion they beat ford to the market with the camaro firebird but really only in words production of these vehicles will be limited until the end of the year keeping selling prices above msrp for the most part since there are so many twitching camaro fans out there i wouldnt press ford to hurry the mustang since the final wait could be worth it besides no bow tie fanatic is gonna buy the mustang anyway true again i wouldnt take a free mustang honest the next mustang will be fords highest profile car it attracts way more attention than the camaro firebird because its heritage is more embedded in the general public dont lie to yourself and believe ford will forfeit that fyi they already did too bad that the current mustang cant even compete with the new camaro without using an active imagination right now few cars can compare with the 93 camaro think about it 20 000 for a car that will out perform all but a few exotics if you are now swearing at me look at the stats they dont lie there are no comparable cars in its class certinaly not for its price you know intelligent critical spews like the mustang bites man some of you are already beginning i predict that the mustang and camaro will be comparable performers as usual i also agree this subject is one that will never be setteled except maybe at the track unless the ford gets the 32v 300hp romeo you dont seriously believe that it was designed for the mark viii only do you hey can you imagine the potential of a modified lt 1 folks in a few years we will surpass the levels of performance achieved in the late 60s thats scary you ford vs chevy people must live in the planet of detroit or droid like they say in the airforce with enough horsepower anything will fly i can put a 32valve v 8 with twin garret 4s on yugo and get 7 7sec qm thats useless its still a yugo that will loose any race on a track or on the street have you detroit beings compared the ultra long throw stick shifts of the 5 0 with the 93 mr2 turbo or 93 rx7 i ll buy it in 6 mos or the torsen differential of the rx7 compared to the differential of the 5 0 that sounds in every hairpin turn and bythe way 5 0 and camaro both have drums on the rear breaks hello this is the 90 s vlasis theodore software engineer just say no to signatures medicine ringing ears a friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing the ringing is so loud that she has great difficulty sleeping at night she says that she hasnt had a normal nights sleep in about 6 months she looks like it too this is making her depressed so her doctor has put her on anti depressants the ringing started rather suddenly about 6 months ago she is quickly losing sleep social life and sanity over this does anyone know of any treatments for this any experience coping mechanisms any opinions on the anti depressant drugs j f guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1993apr20 151131 8531 news uit no paale stud cs uit no paal ellingsen writes in article 1r0qsrinnc61 clem handheld com jim de arras writes mr roby you are a government sucking heartless bastard humans died yesterday humans who would not have died if the fbi had not taken the actions they did that is the undeniable truth the question is for how long even if the fbi had done nothing i guess the bds would have committed suicide but maybe not until hunger and thirst gave them the choice between sucide or surrender the bds was warned in beforehand about the fbi action they had the chance to surrender and get a fair trial no matter who started the fire the bds were responsible for 80 peole dying no one else this is of course your opinion i differ greatly there can be no doubt the fbi at least shares in the blame paal ellingsen borgensvingen 67 102 tlf 083 50933 paale stud cs uit no 9100 kvaloeysletta data dobbelt arbeid til alle jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 medicine re sumatripton spelling reply to roxannen cruzio santa cruz ca u i recently heard of some testing of a new migraine drug called sumatripton i have no idea of the actual spelling that supposedly utilizes a chemical that trips neuro transmitters my mother has regular migraines and nothing seems to help does anyone know anything about this new drug is it in a testing phaze or anywhere near approval does it seem to be working i just got back from the american academy of neurology annual meeting where the consensus was that sumatriptan imitrex has no advantages over dhe 45 nasal spray which is much less expensive has fewer side effects is as effective and works more quickly 5 10 minutes vs 30 besides who wants to give themselves a shot sumatriptan when a nasal spray works dhe nasal spray is not widely available yet it has to be mail ordered from one of a few pharmacies in the country but most neurologists now know about it and know how to order it david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell religion hail stan i found this on the net at my college it sounds pretty good to me what do you folks think this are the tenets of stan as handed down and set within the holy book of stan 1 thou shalt not spill thine drinks or waste thine food for all that is is sacred and to waste is the denizen of luc the infidel all who waste today shall have not tomorrow 2 thou shalt pay heed to those who know the higher calling of stan so that they may teach you the way and that thou shalt become one with stan and the universe shall be in your hands 3 thou shalt honor thy loved ones and cherish those near you for they are the true path to happiness and happiness is a devine gift of thy lord stan 4 stan is the one true god and shall be taken before all others so that the false gods will know that he is the one and all who oppose him shall forever be banished to the form of the sheep and be sent to the flocks of luc for all eternity 5 the word is the law and the law is the word the word is within thine own heart follow the path and be true to thine own self and thou shalt be blessed by stan thy lord and saviour 6 thou shalt honor the faiths of others for it is their choice to follow this path and do not think less of others for being of a different faith yet even in the face of these false gods do not waiver in thine faith in stan and hope that the unbeliever will see the light that is stan 7 thou shalt not wrong others for being different for stan cherishes the different and holds freedom in the highest regard for to do less would be to fall in with luc the infidel for stan does not control he merely guides and lets the choice lie within thine own heart 8 thou shalt know that thy lord stan has many names and is called differently by many people but know also that stan is the true name and all those of the faith shall know that stan is god and god is stan 9 thou shalt be to the world what thou art to thineself for to be false to others is to be false to yourself thy lord stan asks not that you be like him he asks only that you be like yourself for that is all you were ever meant to be 10 thou shalt not kill the innocent nor spill blood unnecessarily for those who are deserving of death shall be dealt with by stan and sent for all eternity to the flocks of luc and those who harm the children of stan being born of woman shall be judged as the sheep of luc and spend all of time within his flocks these commandments are the words of stan heed them and he shall be happy and if thy lord stan is happy his happiness shall be passed down to his followers hail stan it seems like a pretty good set of tenets to me v i like kittens e mail robert voss die especially with rgv9488 ultb isc rit edu 25 andrews memorial dr die a side order of rgv9488 ritvax isc rit edu cpu 01479 die french fries rgv9488 ritvax bitnet rochester ny 14623 die die i am darkness eternal call me my phone number is 716 475 4197 die windows speedstar 24x windows enhanced mode hi i have a 486 66mhz sys based pc with 8m ram and a problem what is the best way to configure high memory with qemm 386max i have a speedstar 24x video card and use hyperdisk disk cache software the problem is running windows 3 1 in enhanced mode and having any high memory to load stuff high note i tried as recommended to exclude the region a000 c7ff but windows insists on starting in standard mode any suggestions dan cars re mr2 noisy engine in article 1r3oe8 c93 usenet ins cwru edu aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer writes nice theory too bad the mr2s never came with a four cylinder over 2 0 liters more like 1 6 or did they were the nonturbo mr2iis 2 2 or some such foot in mouth again drew the first generation mr 2s were 1 6s which were very smooth id be real surprised if the original poster was talking about a 1st generation car the second generation cars were 2 2 for the non turbo and 2 0 for the turbo i drove the non turbo 2 2 and calling it unpleasant is to be kind to it i also understand that anyone using balancing shafts on four cylinders must pay saab a royalty for using their patented design like porsches 3 0 i4 wrong and wrong mitsubishi owns the patent which has since expired which is why everybody with a shred of integrity is putting balance shafts into their big 4s the notable exception is nissan and only for the us market suckers i guess we need to write to c d and start telling them to publish graphs for engine vibration over rpm then youll see usenet discussions of the form engine a has peak vibrations 3 db less than engine b therefore engine a is better than engine b 1 2 eliot medicine re post polio syndrome information needed please dn from nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye dn briefly this is a condition in which patients who have significant dn residual weakness from childhood polio notice progression of the dn weakness as they get older one theory is that the remaining motor dn neurons have to work harder and so die sooner if this theory were true the muscle biopsy would show group atrophy evidence of acute loss of enlarged motor units it doesnt instead the biopsy shows scattered angulated atrophic fibers this is more consistent with load shedding by chronically overworked motor neurons the neurons survive at the expense of increasingly denervated muscle slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein cars re ultimate awd vehicles in article 20726 2bcd8b62 ecs umass edu sylveste ecs umass edu writes before the s4 became the s4 it was called the 200 turbo quattro 20v this model did come in a wagon a very quick wagon very rare also mike sylvester umass being a satisfied audi owner 90 100 turbo quattro my 4 th audi i get the free vag magazine the latest issue presented a new s4 avant wagon with a 4 2 litre v8 id like one of these btw this is my second quattro and my third turbo and i must say that even in the summer with dry roads the quattros give so much extra in road holding and balance that i hope i can afford them always thomas real life thomas t rnblom email thomas tornblom nexus comm se snail mail communicator nexus ab phone 46 18 171814 box 857 fax 46 18 696516 s 751 08 uppsala sweden religion re davidians and compassion in article sandvik 190493200420 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes so we have this highly christian religious order that put fire on their house killing most of the people inside we have no way to know that the cultists burned the house it could have been the batf and fbi we only have the governments word for it after all and people who started it by a no knock search with concussion grenades are hardly disinterested observers on the first day after christmas my truelove served to me leftover turkey on the second day after christmas my truelove served to me turkey casserole that she made from leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings pizza hut commercial and m tlu a gic bait ken arromdee arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu baseball re and americas team is but why kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well officially its the braves at least up until they started winning it was are they still officially if so why and how did they receive this label my understanding was that ted turner owner of the braves started running his tv station nationwide and started running all of his teams games on his nationwide tv station he dubbed his team americas team that is the only team at least at the time all of whose games could be seen across america now wor is nationwide out of beautiful secaucus but not all mets games are on wor wgn chicago and wsbk boston are two other superstations at least they are on the east coast i dont know how many cubs sox sox games they show hymie hymowitz cs jhu edu ill be mellow when im dead weird al yankovic you get your mellow laid back attitude from sonny the cuckoo bird josh about me medicine density of the skull bone could someone tell me what the density of skull bone is or direct me to a reference that contains this info i would appreciate it very much thanks vinay vinay j rao vrao nyx cs du edu guns no surrender lenda jackson no surrender delivered by lenda jackson at the rkba rally in denver april 18 1993 it is a fact of modern life that urban residents particularly women feel threatened a certain number of them actually are threatened there are immediate threats the things that women will tell you theyre afraid of the noise downstairs at night the lonely walk to the car the stranger at the door the abusive husband finally kicked out of the house as he threatens to hurt her and their children the burglar the mugger the rapist and what are we told is the solution move get a dog keep the door locked call the police as a next to last resort learn martial arts and always theres the implied question whats a pretty little thing like you doing without a husband around to protect you but what if you dont like dogs like living alone dont have 10 years to devote learning judo what if after examining the facts a woman learns that rape victims using armed resistance were less likely to have the rape completed and were less likely to be injured kleck 124 than those using any other form of resistance kleck 126 also true for robbery assault kleck 123 what if to our horror and despair we find that citizens cannot depend on the police for effective protection they usually respond after a crime has been committed in truth the supreme court has held that the police are not responsible for protecting any individual only the whole community as a society are we going to ask women once again to sacrifice themselves are we going to continue to deny women the ability to help themselves heres a thought neil smith in his book the probability broach says no 220 pound thug can threaten the well being or dignity of a 110 pound woman who has two pounds of iron to even things out but if a woman decides to protect herself with the easiest most efficient means possible people especially other women are horrified eughh how could you id be terrified they ask how could you hurt someone theyll repeat the lie itll just get taken away from you in truth 1 of defensive gun uses result in the offender taking the gun away from the victim 122 kleck well despite the lies and the social pressure some of us have already made that hard choice weve decided that we are not going to be victimized by the muggers burglars or rapists were buying more guns than every before were learning how to use them and teaching others women and men how to use them most importantly we are preparing ourselves mentally to use our firearms for our own defense were taking our own security literally into our own hands were going to stop begging and pleading and marching and what we intend is to really take back the night but theres another threat more insatiable than any mugger more secretive than any burglar more soul destroying than any rapist that menace is government and it threatens us all we know that governments throughout time have suppressed rights and oppressed people its the way they survive in our names and with our money it interferes with innocent people both at home and abroad it lies to us cheats us steals from us and threatens us with violence no one knows exactly what itll do next what freedom we will lose because some government goon decides its for your own safety or we know best any person who acted like government does would be psychoanalyzed within an inch of his life and locked up as a habitual offender but this monster called government persists and grows and we who should be its masters have become its unwilling slaves do you doubt me then why did you file your income tax like any reasonable person i believe that being afraid of something that can hurt you is smart and that paranoia isnt crazy if someones really after you and make no mistake theyre after you and theyre after me their names are familiar brady and reynolds groff metzenbahm moynihan and clinton if were lucky theyll settle for our assault rifles our shotguns our handguns and our ammunition as citizens we have only two choices they are the same two choices given to women to surrender or to fight surrender leads to the gulag to the genocide of pol pot to the disappearances to dachau i do not intend to surrender a battle can be philosophical or political in the main the people keep the government honest by threatening to vote it out of office but if they have to they will keep in mind the words of thomas jefferson the tree of liberty must be well watered with the blood of patriots as a patriot i will point out the error in the governments ways i will do my best to vote the villains out of office i will protest and write and speak and teach our children justice honor and truth and always remember that rebellion can lead to bunker hill and saratoga or it can lead to tiananmen square when the time comes to stand up if i have to give my life to keep them from going too far if there is a tiananmen square in our future i intend to be there and no matter what lies they tell and no matter what laws they pass i intend to meet them with something more substantial in my hand than a brick my opinions are of course my own medicine great post was re candida yeast bloom very long great post martin very informative well balanced and humanitarian without neglecting the need for scientific rigor cross posted to alt psychology personality since some personality typing will be discussed at the beginning note ive set all followups to sci med since most of my comments are more sci med oriented and im sure most of the replies if any will be med related in article banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes i can not believe the way this thread on candida yeast has progressed steve dyer and i have been exchanging words over the same topic in sci med nutrition when he displayed his typical reserve and attacked a woman poster for being treated by a licenced physician for a disease that did not exist calling this physician a quack was reprehensible steve and i see that you and some of the others are doing it here as well they are just responding in their natural way hyper choleric syndrome hcs oops that is not a recognized illness in the psychological community better not say that since it therefore must not and never will exist actually it is fascinating that a disproportionate number of physicians will type out as nt for those not familiar with the myers briggs system just e mail me and ill send a summary file to you in the general population nts comprise only about 12 of the population but among physicians it is much much higher i dont know the exact percentage any help here a p p ers one driving characteristic of an nt especially an ntj is their obvious choleric behavior driver type a etc the extreme emotional need to control to lead and or to be the best or the most competent if they are also extroverted they are best described as field marshalls this trait is very valuable and essential in our society we need people who want to lead to strive to overcome the elements to seek and thirst for knowledge to raise the level of competency etc the great successes in science and technology are in large part due to the vision an n trait and scientifically minded approach t trait of the nt personality of course the other types and temperaments have their own positive contributions as well however when the nt person has self image challenges the dark side of this personality type usually comes out which should be obvious to all a physician who is a strong nt and who has not learned to temper their temperament will be extremely business like lack of empathy or feeling and is very compelled to have total control over their patient the patient must be obedient to their diagnosis and prescription without question ive known many m d s of this temperament and suffice to say i dont oblige them with a followup visit no matter how competent i think they are and they usually are very competent from a knowledge viewpoint since that is an extreme drive of theirs to know the most to know it all maybe we need more nf doctors enough on this subject lets move on to candida bloom let me tell you who the quacks really are these are the physicans who have no idea how the human body interacts with its environment and how that balance can be altered by diet and antibiotics could it just be professional jealousy i couldnt help elaine or jon but somebody else did youve helped me already by your post of course i believe that i have been misdiagnosed on the net as suffering from anal retentivitis but being the phlegmatic i am maybe i was just a little too harsh on a few people myself in past posts lets all try to raise the level of this discussion above the level of anal effluent humans have all kinds of different organisms living in the gi system mouth stomach small and large intestine sinuses vagina and on the skin these are nonpathogenic because they do not cause disease in people unless the immune system is compromised they are also called nonpathogens because unlike the pathogenic organisms that cause human disease they do not produce toxins as they live out their merry existence in and on our body but any of these organisms will be considered pathogenic if it manages to take up residence within the body a poor mucus membrane barrier can let this happen and vitamin a is mainly responsible for setting up this barrier in my well described situation in prior posts i definitely was immune stressed blood tests showed my vitamin a levels were very low my sinuses were a mess no doubt the mucosal lining and the cilia were heavily damaged i also was on antibiotics 15 times in 4 years in the end even two weeks of ceftin did not work and i had confirmed diagnoses of a chronic bacterial infection of the sinuses via cat scans mucus color wont get into the details and other symptoms three very traditional ents made this diagnosis i did not have any cultures done however because of the difficulty of doing this right and because my other symptoms clearly showed a bacterial infection enough of this background provided to help you understand where i was when i make comments about my sporanox anti fungal therapy below the first question i have is this can fungus penetrate a little way into poor mucus membrane tissue maybe via hyphae thus causing symptoms without being considered systemic in the classic sense it is sort of an inbetween infection steve got real upset with elaines doctor because he was using anti fungals and vitamin a for her gi problems if steve really understoood what vitamin a does in the body he would not or at least should not be calling elaines doctor a quack i was concerned too because of the toxicity of vitamin a my doctor after my blood tests put me on 75 000 iu of vitamin a for one week only then dropped it down to 25 000 iu for the next couple of weeks i also received zinc and other supplementation since all of these interrelate in fairly complex ways as my doctor explained hes one of those evil orthomolecular specialists i had a blood test three weeks later and vitamin a was normal he then stopped me on all vitamin a except for some in a multi vitamin supplement and made sure that i maintain a 50 000 iu day of beta carotene call me carrot face hopefully elaines doctor will take a similar careful approach and to all supplements im even reevaluating some supplements im taking for example niacin in fairly large dosages 1 gram day which steve dyer had good information about on sci med nutrition if niacin only has second order improvement in symptomatic relief of my sinus allergies then it probably is not worth taking such a large dose long term and risking liver damage survives if it gets access to a lot of glucose it blooms and over rides the other organisms living with it in the sinuses gi tract or vagina in though i do now believe based on my successful therapy with sporanox that i definitely had some excessive growth of fungus unknown species in my sinuses i still want to ask the question have there been any studies that demonstrate candida blooms in the sinuses with associated sinus irritation sinusitis rhinitis my sinus irritation reduced significantly after one week of sporanox and no other new treatments were implemented during this time i did not have any noticeable gi track problems before starting on sporanox but some for a few days after which then went away considered normal btw my doctor dug out one of his medical reference books sorry cant remember which one and found an obscure comment dating back into the 1950s which stated that people can develop contained non lethal or non serious aspergillis infestations aspergiliosis of the sinuses leading to sinus inflammation symptoms ill have to dig out that reference again since it is relevant to this discussion some people do really develop a bad inflammatory process at the mucus membrane or skin bloom site whether this is an allergic like reaction to the candida or not isnt certain my doctor tested me i believe a rast or rast similar test for allergic response to specificially candida albicans and i showed a strong positive another question would everybody show the same strong positive so this test is essentially useless and assuming it is true that candida can grow part way into the mucus membrane tissue and the concentration exceeds a threshold amount could not a person who tests as having an allergy to candida definitely develop allergic symptoms such as mucus membrane irritation due to the bodys allergic response as i said in an earlier post one does not need to be a rocket scientist or have a m d degree or a ph d in biochemistry to see the plausibility of this hypothesis btw and ill repost this again dr ivker in his book sinus survival has routinely given before anything else nizoral a pre sporanox systemic anti fungal not as safe and not as good as sporanox to his new chronic sinusitis patients if they have been on antibiotics four or more times in the last two years he claims that out of 2000 or so patients well over 90 notice some relief of sinus inflammation and other symptoms but it doesnt cure it by any means implying the so called yeast fungus infection is not the primary cause but a later complication hes also found that nystatin whether taken internally or put into a sinus spray does not help this implies of course assuming that excessive yeast fungus bloom is aggravating the sinus inflammation that the yeast fungus has grown partway into the tissue since nystatin will not kill yeast fungus other than by direct contact it is not absorbed into the blood stream again i admit lots of ifs and implies which doesnt please the hard core nt who has to have the double blind study or its a non issue but one has to start with some plausible hypothesis explanation a strawman if you will if its internal only symptoms can be used and these symptoms are pretty nondescript this brings up an interesting observation used by those who will deny and reject any and all aspects of the yeast hypothesis until the appropriate studies are done and that is if you cant observe or culture the yeast bloom in the gut or sinus then theres no way to diagnose or even recognize the disease and i know they realize that it is virtually impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body that cannot be easily observed since candida is everywhere in the body its a real catch 22 another catch 22 those who totally reject the yeast hypothesis say that no studies have been done actually studies have been done but if its not up to a certain standard then it is from their perspective a non study which should not even be considered i agree that the appropriate studies should be done and that will take big to do it right however in order to convince the funding agencies in these austere times to open their wallets you literally have to give them evidence and the only acceptable evidence to compete with other proposals is paradoxically to do almost the exact study needed funding that is you have to do 90 of the study before you even get funding as a scientist at a national lab im very aware of this for the smaller funded projects im afraid that even if dr ivker and 100 other doctors got together pooled their practices case histories and anecdotes into a compelling picture and approach the funding agencies they would get nowhere even if they were able to publish their statistical results it is obvious from the comments by some of the doctors here is that they have decided excessive yeast colonization in the gut or sinuses leading to noticeable non lethal symptoms does not exist and is not even a tenable hypothesis so any amount of case histories or compiled anecdotal evidence to the contrary will never change their mind and not only that they would also oppose the needed studies because in their minds its a done issue excessive yeast growth leading to diffuse allergic symptoms does not will not and cannot exist period kind of tough to dialog with those who hold such a viewpoint kind of reminds me of lister candida is kept in check in most people by the normal bacterial flora in the sinuses the gi tract mouth stomach and intestines and in the vaginal tract which compete with it for food the human immune system ususally does not bother itself with these nonpathogenic organisms unless they broach the mucus membrane barrier if they do an inflammatory response will be set up most americans are not getting enough vitamin a from their diets about 30 of all americans die with less vitamin a than they were born with u s autopsy studies while this low level of vitamin a does not cause pathology blindness it does impair the mucus membrane barrier system this would then be a predisposing factor for a strong inflammatory response after a candida bloom arent there also other nutrients necessary to the proper working of the sinus mucus membranes and cilia while diabetics can suffer from a candida bloom the most common cause of this type of bloom is the use of broad spectrum antibiotics which knock down many different kinds of bacteria in the body and remove the main competition for candida as far as food is concerned while drugs are available to handle candida many patients find that their doctor will not use them unless there is evidence of a systemic infection the toxicity of the anti fungal drugs does warrant some caution but if the gi or sinus inflammation is suspected to be candida and recent use of a broad spectrum antibiotic is the smoking gun then anti fungal use should be approrpriate just as the anti fungal creams are an appropriate treatment for recurring vaginal yeast infections in spite of what mr steve dyer says again the evidence from mycological studies indicate that many yeast fungus species can grow hyphae roots into deep tissue similar to mold growing in bread you can continue to kill the surface such as nystatin does but you cant kill that which is deeper in the tissue without using a systemic anti fungal such as itraconazole sporanox or some of the older ones such as nizoral which are more toxic and not as effective this is why as has been pointed out by recent studies sent to me by a doctor ive been in e mail contact with thanks that nystatin is not effective in the long term treatment of gi tract candidiasis its like trying to weed a garden by cutting off whats above the ground but leaving the roots ready to come out again once you walk away the 60000 question is whether a contained candida bloom can partially grow into tissue through the mucus membranes causing some types of symptoms in susceptible people e g allergy without becoming systemic in the classical sense of the word something in between strictly an excessive bloom not causing any problems and the full blown systemic infection that is potentially lethal in the gi system the ano rectal region seems to be a particularly good reservoir for candida and the use of pantyhose by many women creates a very favorable environment around the rectum for transfer through moisture and humidity of candida to the vaginal tract one of the most effctive ways to minimmize this transfer is to wear undyed cotton underwear also if one is an anal retentive like ive been diagnosed in a prior post that can also provide more sites for excessive candida growth if the bloom occurs in the anal area the burning swelling pain and even blood discharge make many patients think that they have hemorroids if the bloom manages to move further up the gi tract very diffuse symptomatology occurs abdominal discomfort and blood in the stool this positive stool for occult blood is what sent elaine to her family doctor in the first place after extensive testing he told her that there was nothing wrong but her gut still hurt on to another doctor and so on richard kaplan has told me throiugh e mail that he considers occult blood tests in stool specimens to be a waste of time and money because of the very large number of false positives candida blooms guys if my gut hurt me on a constant basis i would want it fixed yes its nice to know that i dont have colon cancer but what then is causing my distress when i finally find a doctor who treats me and gets me 90 better steve dyer calls him a quack as ive said in private e mail there are flaws in our current medical system that make it difficult or even impossible for a physician to attempt alternative therapies after the approved proven accepted therapies dont work for example i went to three ents who all said that i will just have to live with my acute chronic sinusitis after the abs failed they did mention surgery to open up the ostia but my ostia werent plugged and it would not get to the root cause of my condition after three months of aggressive and fairly non standard therapy sporanox body nutrient level monitoring and equalization vitamin c lentinen echinacea etc my health has vastly improved to where i was two years ago before my health greatly deteriorated of course skeptics would say that maybe if i did nothing i would have improved anyway but that view is stretching things quite far because of the experience of the three ents i saw who said that id just have to live with it im confident i will reach what one could call a total cure the anti fungal program i undertook was one necessary step in that direction because of my overuse of abs for the last four years note for those having sinus problems may i suggest the book by dr ivker i mention above be sure to get the revised edition i have often wondered what an m d with chronic gi distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his patients is a non existent syndrome dr ivker started off having chronic and severe sinus problems and his visits to several ents totally floored him when they said youll just have to live with it he spent several years trying everything standard and non standard until he was essentially cured of chronic sinusitis he now shares his approach in his book and i can honestly say that i am on the road to recovery following some parts of it his one recommendation to take a systemic anti fungal at the beginning of treatment if you have a history of anti biotic overuse has been proven to him time and time again in his own practice im sure if i commented to him of the hard core beliefs of the anti yeast hypothesis posters that he would have definite things to say such as its worked wonders for me in almost two thousand cases to put it mildly i also would not be surprised if he would say that they are the ones violating their moral obligations to help the patient maybe those doctors who are reading this who have a practice and are confronted by a patient having symptoms that could be due to the hypothetical yeast overgrowth e g they fit some of the profiles the pro yeast people have identified should consider anti fungal therapy if all other avenues have been exhausted remember theory and practice are two different things you cannot have one without the other they are synergistic if a doctor does something non standard yet produces noticeable symptomatic relief in over a thousand of his patients shouldnt you at least sit up and take notice maybe you ought to trust what he says and begin hypothesizing why it works instead of why it shouldnt work im afraid a lot of doctors have become so enamored with scientific correctness that they are ignoring the patients they have sworn to help you have to do both both have to be balanced which we dont see from some of the posters to this group there comes a point when you just have to use a little common sense and maybe an empirical approach such as trying a good systemic anti fungal such as sporanox after having exhausted all the other avenues i was one of those who the traditional medical establishment was not able to help so i did the natural thing i went to a couple of doctors who are somewhat outside this establishment and as a result i have found significant relief would it not be better if the traditional medical establishment can set up some kind of mechanism where any doctor without fear of being sued or having his license pulled can try experimental and unproven beyond a doubt therapies for his her patients that finally reach the point where all the accepted therapies are ineffective id like to hear a doctor tell me well ive tried all the therapies that are approved and accepted in this country and since they clearly dont work for you i now have the authority to use experimental unproven techniques that seem to have helped others i cant promise anything and there are some risks you will have to sign something saying you understand the experimental and possibly risky nature of these unproven therapies and ill have to register your case at the state board anyway if my ent had suggested this to me i wouldve jumped on this pronto instead of going to one of those doctors who for either altruistic reasons or for greed is practicing these alternative therapies with much risk to him her risk meaning losing their license and possibly to the patient such a mechanism would keep control in the more mainstream medicine and also provide valuable data that would essentially be free it also would be morally and ethically better than the current system by showing the compassion of the medical community to the patient that its doing everything it can within reason to help the patient it is the lack of such a mechanism that is leading large numbers of people to try alternative therapies some of which seem to work like my case and others of which will never work at all true quackery i better get off my soapbox before this post reaches 500k in size if taken orally it can also become a major bacteria in the gut through aresol sprays it has also been used to innoculate the sinus membranes but before this innoculation occurs the mucus membrane barrier system needs to be strengthened this is accomplished by vitamin a vitamin c and some of the b complex vitamins diet surveys repeatedly show that americans are not getting enough b6 and folate these are probably the segement of the population that will have the greatest problem with this non existent disorder candida blooms after antibiotic therapy what dosage of b6 appears to be necessary to promote the healing and proper working of the mucos memebranes some of the above material was obtained from natural healing by mark bricklin published by rodale press as well as notes from my human nutrition course i will be posting a discussion of vitamin a sometime in the future along with reference citings to point out the extremely important role that vitamin a plays in the mucus membrane defense system in the body and why vitamin a should be effective in dealing with candida blooms another effective dietary treatment is to restrict carbohydrate intake during the treatment phase this is especially important if the gi system is involved if candida can not get glucose its not going to out grow the bacteria and you then give bacteria which can use amino acids and fatty acids for energy a chance to take over and keep the candida in check once carbohydrate is returned to the gut id like to see the role of complex carbohydrates such as starch if steve and some of the other nay sayers want to jump all over this post fine i jumped all over steve in sci med nutrition because he verbably accosted a poster who was seeking advice about her doctors use of vitamin a and anti fungals for a candida bloom in her gut people seeking advice from newsnet should not be treated this way those of us giving of our time and knowledge can slug it out to our hearts content if you saved your venom for me steve and left the helpless posters who are timidly seeking help alone i wouldnt have a problem with your behavior brave soul you are the venom on usenet can be quite toxic unless one develops an immunity to it one year ago my phlegmatic self would have backed down right away from an attack of cholericitis but my immune system and my computer system have been hardened from gradual desensitization i now kind of like being called anal retentive it has a nice ring to it i also was very impressed by how it just flowed into the post truly classic worthy of a blue or maybe brown ribbon i might even cross post it to alt best of internet hmmm martin banschbach ph d professor of biochemistry and chairman department of biochemistry and microbiology osu college of osteopathic medicine thanks again for a great and informative post i hope others who have researched this area and are lurking in the background will post their thoughts as well no matter their views on this subject jon noring charter member infj club if youre dying to know what infj means be brave e mail me ill send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 freds gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone 510 294 8153 chips worlds best livermore ca 94550 v mail 510 417 4101 who are you read alt psychology personality thats where the action is windows wanted xterm emulator for windows 3 1 hello i am looking for a xterm emulator which runs under windows 3 1 please reply via e mail thanks chera bekker h g bekker e mail bekker tn utwente nl faculty of applied physics voice 3153893107 university of twente fax 3153354003 the netherlands medicine re science and methodology in article c5i2bo cg9 news hawaii edu lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee lady writes the difference between a nobel prize level scientist and a mediocre scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology it depends on the quality of their thinking it really bothers me that so many graduate students seem to believe that they are doing science merely because they are conducting empirical studies and im especially offended by russell turpins repeated assertion that science amounts to nothing more than avoiding mistakes simply avoiding mistakes doesnt get you anywhere i think that lee lady and i are talking at cross purposes above lady seems concerned with the contrast between great science that makes big advances in our knowledge and mediocre science that makes smaller steps in most of this thread i have been concerned with the difference between what is science and what is not lee lady is correct when she asserts that the difference between einstein and the average post doc physicist is the quality of their thought but what is the difference between einstein and a genius who would be a great scientist but whose great thoughts are scientifically screwy some would give velikovsky or korzybski as examples if you dont like these choose your own i say it is the same as the difference between the mediocre physicist and the mediocre proponent of qi both einstein and the mediocre physcists have disciplined their work from the cumulative knowledge of how previous researchers went wrong both velikovsky and the mediocre proponent of qi have failed to do this let me approach this from a second direction when one is asked to review a paper for a journal or conference there are many kinds of criticism that one can make one kind of criticism is that the work is just wrong or misinformed another kind of criticism is that the work while technically correct is either not important or not interesting the first difference is the one that i have been pointing to the second difference is the one that lee lady seems to be discussing if good empirical research were done and showed that there is some merit to homeopathic remedies this would certainly be valuable information but it would still not mean that homeopathy qualifies as a science this is where you and i disagree with turpin i have often pointed out that for homeopathy to be considered scientific what is needed is a test of its theoretical claims not just of some of its proposed remedies similarly i suspect that traditional chinese medicine has many remedies that work what it lacks as one example is any experiment that tests the presence of qi in order to have science one must have a theoretical structure that makes sense not a mere collection of empirically validated random hypotheses certainly a theoretical structure that makes sense is the goal in areas where we do not yet have this i see nothing wrong with forming and testing smaller hypotheses lets face it we cannot always wait for an einstein to come along and make everything clear for us sometimes those of us who are not einstein have to plug along and make small amounts of progress as best we can russell religion re part 1 and part 2 re homosexuality rich bellacera amail amdahl com writes the results of the passing amendment in colorado has created an organization whos posters are appearing all over colorado called s t r a i g h t i forget the whole definition off hand but the last part was against immoral gross homosexual trash and their motto is working for a fag free america with an implicit advocation for violence i live in colorado and have never heard of such a group obviously claims that their posters are appearing all over colorado are a tad overdone this is sick and it seems to be what you and mr hudson and others are embracing hardly saying that homosexuality is a sin is a far cry from working for a fag free america saying that i wouldnt want a homosexual babysitting for my kids doesnt mean i endorse against immoral gross homosexual trash we christians have a loooooooooong tradition of coersion and oppression towards those we feel dont measure up and now we have homosexual advocates telling us that if we dont teach our kids that homosexuality is natural and a perfectly acceptable alternative lifestyle then they will have it done for us no thanks the gospel i believe is not so negative rather it seeks ways to include people absolutely and the message is always go and sin no more not go and do whatever feels good one question at the start of your post you wrote i know many gays and i will not turn my back on them or their right to be free form discrimination i may have lost face with the greater christian community for the unpopularity of my beliefs but so did the abolitionists against the oppression of african americans many were even killed and treated as runaway slaves for being nigger lovers and such i guess ive decided the challenge is worth it this sounds real nice but struck me as a little odd youre presenting yourself as if you were a straight xian who is sticking his neck out and taking on the challenge of speaking out in support of gays in the church but i was under the impression that you yourself are gay thats all well and fine but presenting yourself as sticking out your neck to help repressed others seems a bit untruthful under the circumstances walter cars re dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading need help in article 1qvrnpinnnid shelley u washington edu yongje hardy u washington edu yong je lim writes here is a story i bought a car about two weeks ago i finally can get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence history of the car in between 91 and 92 the instrument pannel of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset to zero therefore the true meter reading is the reading before replacement plus current mileage that shows 35000 mile difference comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from the dealer never told me anything about that important story i hope that i can return the car with full refund do u think this is possible does anyone have similar experiences any comments will be appreciated thanks this is a tricky situation if the previous owner didnt inform the dealer of the odometer change then the previous owner committed fraud and he may be liable the dealer may also be liable if the previous owner notified the dealer or if the previous owner had the dash replaced at a dealer or if the previous owner had the dash changed legally any records search on the car should turn up the fact that the odometer had been altered if a dealer changes the speedometer he has to report it it goes into the cars service record with the manufacturer and on the title if i remember correctly the dealer told me that the old mileage etc were sent to ford when my t birds speedo was replaced if the odometer can be set to the old mileage it must be if it cant eg electrically driven odometers then the mileage of the old odometer must be written on a permanent sticker which is affixed to the door frame of the vehicle either way if the change had been done legally then a records search which the dealer almost certainly did should have turned it up call your states department of transportation public safety motor vehicles or your tag agent to find out for certain what your rights are your states attorney general will know for certain james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven windows re head to head win and os 2 in article 1993may15 030210 4755 ccsvax sfasu edu z shererrg ccsvax sfasu edu writes after hearing endless debate read name calling over which os is better dos and windows or os 2 and finally having enought resourses to play with a couple of different operating systems i have decided to put the two products to a head to head test as so many fellow newsposters have suggested i have however no desire whatsoever to use a version of os 2 which wont really do what it says i e run windows apps os 2 2 0 2 1 will not run windows apps in 386 enhansed mode something that most larger windows apps require but os 2 2 2 which is supposed to be in beta test is supposed to i have heard that os 2 2 2 beta is available via ftp and i was wondering if anyone knew where to obtain a copy i would appreciate any information as i would like once and for all to establish for myself which is the best os for my needs i dont think the question is will os 2 x x run windows y y apps now a more important question is will subsequent os 2 versions continue to run apps from subsequent windows versions in the future can it keep up will a future os 2 3 0 run windows 4 apps ole2 is very complex and is the sign of things to come after this fall i believe ibm no longer has any rights to view microsoft code after that the only way to maintain some sort of compatibility is to reverse engineer would you want to reverse engineer an ole2 application john a grant jagrant emr1 emr ca airborne geophysics geological survey of canada ottawa cars re too fast in 1993apr14 045526 21945 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article 1qg19v 5ju umcc umcc umich edu mhartman umcc umcc umich edu mark hartman writes i dont know why you are complaining about 130 alot of us have cars that can easily top that most that go 130 are built to do it also and can handle the speed why complain and just join in on the fast fun can i ask have any of you been at the speed of 130 its a rush driving 130 in a straight line is fine you very soon become aclimated to it its only a rush when there are corners that you dont think you can make on a clear autobahn 130 is nothing in the u s 99 of people and all judges would label you insane and it is difficult to persuade people otherwise sure but the surface condition of most good autobahns is far better than most of the roads here a dip in the asphalt that you test your shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130 dont get me wrong i love to drive quickly and they say my probe will do 130 but thats 30 more than ive ever tried in it cause there isnt a decent enough piece of road hereabouts craig mark hartman mhartman umcc umcc umich edu kalamazoo mi bk405 cleveland freenet edu im naked in the school sleepyhead bob medicine re earwax bobm ingres com bob mcqueer writes one question i do have a doctor who flushed out my ears once also advocated a drop of rubbing alcohol in them afterwards to flush out any remaining trapped water said he told swimmers to do this after swimming too it works but it stings like the devil so ive always been content to let any water in my ears from swimming or flushing them out figure out how to get out by itself if shaking my head a few times wont do the trick any comments when i have trouble its usually because of water trapped by some remaining wax i dont see why you cant just let it evaporate it should do this eventually j nets levin bbn com earn more sessions by sleeving pots 617 873 3463 n1mnf roxanne kowalski cars dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading need help here is a story i bought a car about two weeks ago i finally can get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence history of the car in between 91 and 92 the instrument pannel of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset to zero therefore the true meter reading is the reading before replacement plus current mileage that shows 35000 mile difference comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from the dealer never told me anything about that important story i hope that i can return the car with full refund do u think this is possible does anyone have similar experiences any comments will be appreciated thanks yongje u washington edu religion re rw is robert weiss the only orthodox christian im curious to know if christians ever read books based on critique on the religion classical text such as age of reason by paine or the myth maker by jacobi sometimes it is good to know your enemy and if you want to do serious research you have to understand both sides and not solely the one and only right one yes one does i examined a critique of the book of romans by i think benjamin franklin once a deist i found it amazing that benjamin franklin missed the whole boat i also have the writings on thomas jefferson sitting on my shelf and it is amazing how much he missed i have studied platos theory of forms and aristotelian hylomorphesism what a pile of junk jesus makes plato and aristotle look like kindergardeners psychology the id ego superego by freud elements of truth but jesus explained it far better and gave reasons thomas paine benjamin franklin thomas jefferson are mere men they can screw up the bible just as well as any man i do not put these men on a pedestal and if i remember t j s autobiography correctly he thought thomas paine was the most unread man he ever met heres some more circular reasoning to you paul says to the corinthians that that the gospel will be foolishness to the world because it is spiritually discerned and so people without the spirit of god havent a clue to what the bible is saying from your point of view thats incredibly circular and convenient to me it is mysteriously and supernaturally bizarre i can see it but you cant this is not arrogance on my part trust me it is as bizarre to you as it is to me but nonetheless it is a truth explainable or not are any of you color blind to red and green i am remember those dot tests they do at the optomologists they put pictures in front of you and you are supposed to identify the pattern in the dots if your eyes are perfectly normal you can see letters or numerals embedded in the dots they are a slightly different color and stand out from the background but if you are color blind to red and green you will not see anything but gray shaded dots that is how a dot test appears to me i do not see a pattern at all a normal seeing person will see the patterns and to him i seem like a total anomaly to him i appear as if i am missing the universe or something it is hard for him to understand why i cant see anything that to him is as plain as day that it what it is like with the bible the word of god to the believer the believer can see the meaning in the words i can see how the patterns fit together there is such depth such consistency but then on the other hand i notice the non believer he doesnt see it he thinks i am weird because he thinks i am seeing things i look at him and say no you are weird you do not see then it is time for a sanity check i go to another christian and say do you see this and they go yes it is an x and i say thank god i see the x too it is truly the strangest thing it adds a little extra dimension to the phrase he will make the blind see and the deaf hear i am glad that jesus has enabled me to see i wish every non believer could see what they are missing guns re cnn for sale if anyone is keeping a list of the potential contributors you can put me down for 1000 00 under the conditions above keith emmen kde boi hp com medicine how often do kids fall sick etc our 20 month son has started falling sick quite often every since he started going to day care he was at home for the first year and he did not fall sick even once now it seems like he has some sort of cold or flu pretty much once a month most of the time the cold leads to an ear infection as well with the result that he ends up being on antibiotics 3 weeks out of 4 i know kids in day care fall sick more often but we are beginning to wonder how often more often really is whether our son is more susceptible or has lower immunity than average what the longer term effects of constantly being sick and taking antibiotics are and what we can do to build up his resistance he really enjoys his day care and we think its great too but we are beginning to wonder whether we should think about getting a nanny are there any studies that can help answer some of these questions how often do kids in their first second and third years fall sick how often do they get colds flus ear infections is there any data on home care vs day care does being sick build immunity leading to less illness later does it make kids weaker leading to more illness later or does it not have any long term effect does taking antibiotics on a regular basis have any negative long term effects how does one tell if a child is more susceptible to illness than normal and what does one do about it is there any way to build immunity and resistance any data information or advice relating to this would be much appreciated thanks a lot ashwin medicine re food related seizures michael covington mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu wrote how about contaminants on the corn e g aflatoxin little alflatoxin on commercial cereal products and certainly wouldnt cause seizures david ozonoff md mph boston university school of public health dozonoff med itvax1 bu edu 80 east concord st t3c 617 638 4620 boston ma 02118 medicine copper bracelet sabona by dr john sorenson i have seen copper bracelet by the name of sabona created by dr john sorenson i am looking for literature on the effectiveness of copper bracelet in dealing with arthritis i know in one case a 70 year old person developed bruise at the base of her left thumb after wearing the copper bracelet on her left wrist for several months she was told the bruise is normal and would disappear is the bruise reason to be concerned should the person discontinued wearing the copper bracelet could anyone kindly point me to literature on copper bracelet what are the other information on copper bracelet your response would be very much appreciated thank you lau hon wah cars re review 1989 ford taurus sho excerpts from rec autos 26 apr 93 re review 1989 ford tauru by mark w rice mozart colu in article 24326 74 uupcb cutting hou tx us david bonds cutting hou tx us dav id bonds writes gk occasionally i have trouble shifting into reverse the shifter gk refuses to enter the gate and i often grind the synchros trying to gk get it into gear ill be watching this carefully in the next couple gk of months enter 1st wait 2 3 seconds and then go into reverse they use the same synchros and youll never at least i havent ground em to fit when using this technique or do like the manual says and put it in 3rd first then you can quickly go into reverse no waiting one more way which works in manual trans cars ive driven and it is my personal favorite the other suggestions above are great but try this one too while pushing the shifter gently towards reverse let the clutch out slowly right to the friction point and the shifter will be pulled into position if you do it right the car wont jump backward nor will the gears grind you will just glide back sam baseball winfield has re 200 sbs 200 hrs in article mjones 735584681 fenway mjones fenway aix kingston ibm com mike jones writes dans fore csd sgi com dan steinman writes last night on the giants mets radio broadcast hank and ted were discussing the fact that there were only 16 players who had ever hit 200 homeruns and stolen 200 bases in their career while hojo was batting anyone have a list not as easy as it sounds to come up with all of them i couldnt mays mantle aaron henderson morgan bonds dad frank robinson molitor yount guessing now id be interested to see the whole list first please watch your line lengths not everyone has autowrap second franklin to the rescue heres the list player hr sb aaron 755 240 mays 660 338 frobinson 586 204 rjackson 563 228 winfield 406 216 dawson 377 304 baylor 338 285 bobonds 332 461 wynn 291 225 strawberry 280 201 morgan 268 689 pinson 256 309 yount 235 247 kgibson 208 253 sandberg 205 297 players marked with an are still active numbers through 1991 thats only 15 the 16th is probably rickey henderson who was listed at 184 hr 994 sb or george brett listed as 186 sb 291 hr the surprises probably reggie bayor and wynn for steals maybe morgan to a lot of people for homers i was kind of surprised to realize that sandberg has that many steals though i wasnt surprised that the number was 200 mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com dreams are real while they last can we say more of life havelock ellis baseball ozzie smith a defensive liability in article 1993apr17 200602 8229 leland stanford edu addison leland stanford edu brett rogers writes in article steph 735027990 pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes smith ozzie 742 717 697 672 664 0 701 the wizards 1988 is the second highest year ever still very good but i dont like the way his numbers have declined every year in a few years may be a defensive liability thats rich ozzie smith a defensive liability why do you expect him to remain the best shortstop in the game until he reaches his seventy third birthday or something why is it such a strange concept that a forty one year old ozzie smith might be a defensive liability in 1996 ted frank thf2 kimbark uchicago edu im sorry the card says moops the u of c law school standard disclaimers cars re changing oil by self in article 13798 news duke edu infante acpub duke edu andrew infante write s youre actually worried about somebody stealing your oil ahhh yes andrew we meet again no not stealing the oil just draining it as to leave me stranded cmon you think a vandalll do that let me guess youre from hudson ohio thats absolutely ridiculous get out and see the world if i were the vandal and i really hated someone maybe someone who knew something about cars of course i would look for any types of valves i could undo especially special oil drain plugs and radiator petcocks as well as putting bad things in the gas while i would never vandalize someones car if i were to it would probably be the time bomb approach and im sure im not the only one who thinks that way steve guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article c5rrot mmm rice edu fontenot ravl rice edu dwayne jacques fontenot writes in article c5rpoj ijv news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article 1993apr19 184303 6205 stortek com vojak icebucket stortek com bill vojak writes 5 point out that even if the fire was set by someone inside of the building it came as a direct result of the actions of the fbi batf and the people inside including 17 children deserved a trial instead of this well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv to get the trial they deserved instead they chose to set fire to their compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas correction the fbi says that the davidians set fire to their buildings and i suppose the fbi also prevented them from coming out with their hands up while national tv cameras watch well the attorneys of the davidians reported on larry king that the tanks had actually damaged the structure to the extent that effectuating egress from the building was difficult at best with a rapidly spreading fire and large amounts of smoke and tear gas finding the right exits or acceptible holes in the walls were nearly impossible i find this explanation to be completely plausible doesnt mean that its true but i dont find it intrinsically less believable than the government stories the fbi also said that the davidians had a methanphetamine lab in their basement and that the davidians had 50 cal machine guns do you believe everything the fbi says do you disbelieve everything the fbi says i balance my gut reaction to question authority together with the independent facts as i see them on video i usually adopt the scenario that is simplest and most plausible i do not generally believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely scenarios i concur the batf is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair but to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is ludicrous indeed according to the lawyers the davidian survivors say that lanterns were knocked over during the probing and thats how the fire started a tragic accident if true do you trust that snivelling little piece of sh t special agent ricks he seems to think he is a comedian and the media who laugh at his sick jokes are just as guilty as he imho up until now the batf had been making me sick today the people inside the compound who set the fire made me sick keeping the children inside the compund when they should have been released earlier with the other people weeks ago is absolutely inexcuseable not releasing them before deciding to set the place afire is the work of madmen two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set by cult members correction the fbi says that two of the nine said the fire was deliberately set by the sect members if the fire were set by accident or by people outside the compound i would have expected far more cult members to flee the compound or at least come out shooting see above this one is going to be thoroughly investigated maybe well eventually get some idea of what happened my view is that from beginning to end this operation was a botch and that it is completely possible that nut cases who were otherwise law abiding citizens were victims of a bureaucratic execution paul hager hagerp moose cs indiana edu i would give the devil benefit of the law for my own safetys sake from a man for all seasons by robert bolt cars gm may build toyota badged car this appeared today in the the japan economic journal reported gm plans to build a toyota badged car in the us for sale in japan bruce macdonald vp of gm corporate communications yesterday confirmed that gm president and ceo jack smith had a meeting recently with tatsuro toyoda president of toyota this meeting the two discussed business opportunities to increase gm exports to japan including further component sales as well as completed vehicle sales parts sales the two presidents agreed conceptually to pursue an arrangement whereby gm would build a toyota badged right hand drive vehicle in the us for sale by toyota in japan a working group has been formed to finalize model specifications exact timing and other details cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes my car was recently destroyed in a hail storm i fully expected to get jerked around by the insurance company i wasnt the only one who had hail damage state farm opened its claim centers on evenings and weekends and flew down additional adjusters from dallas i have no experience with state farm but i think its important to differentiate your experience from a typical accident hail damage is clearly not the fault of the owner and also tends to be well publicized in the media so its to the ins co s benefit to respond promptly and helpfully damage like this doesnt imply anything about the likelihood of future claims unless you live in an area that gets frequent damaging hail storms so theres no reason for them to stop covering you thats a lot different from at fault accidents or theft related claims which may be more indicative of claim patterns guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes i will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors but here goes fret not you made it i have predicted this from the start but god it sickens me to see it happen i had hoped i was wrong i had hoped that there was still some shred of the america i grew up with and loved left alive i was wrong the nazis have won not while we still have our guns evil grin hey gang its not about duck hunting or about dark alleys its about black clad helmeted and booted troops storming houses and violating civil rights under color of law are you ready to defend your constitution glenn r stone glenns eas gatech edu baseball re hits stolen centerfield 1992 in article steph 735350048 pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes nhs net hits stolen extra outs compared to average fielder neb net extra bases extra bases prevented compared to avg fielder national league name hs nhs neb dcon dops lankford r 39 4 12 007 844 martinez d 21 5 16 017 660 butler b 1 29 5 088 716 american league name hs nhs neb dcon dops wilson w 47 26 0 125 787 felix j 22 0 32 063 713 i suspect that splits such as these are the result of positioning an outfielder who is fast and gets a good jump would be expected to catch a lot of balls preventing both singles and doubles and also cut off more uncatchable balls turinging doubles into singles however a fielder who plays shallow will catch more short flies and fewer long flies this means that he will allow fewer singles but more doubles has anyone seen these players positioning do butler and felix play deep and lankford martinez and wilson shallow or is this a park effect i thought butler liked to play shallow david grabiner grabiner zariski harvard edu we are sorry but the number you have dialed is imaginary please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again disclaimer i speak for no one and no one speaks for me baseball re best record ever in baseball in article 1psl0jinnam3 jhunix hcf jhu edu admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu steve c liu writes of all teams i believe the cubs have the best record ever in baseball sometime way far back 110 and something i think it was the 1954 cleveland indians with 111 cars re dumb options list in a previous article parr acs ucalgary ca charles parr says the idea here is to list pointless options you know stuff you can get on a car that has no earthly use 1 a fitting that allows you to generate household current with the engine running and plug ins in the trunk engine compartment and cabin feel free to add on regards charles x within the span of the last few weeks i have heard elements of separate threads which in that they have been conjoined in time struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd unknown net person baseball seeking all star game info ok ok ok first my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request but here goes anyhow im very interested in finding out how i might be able to get two tickets for the all star game in baltimore this year my very aged folks live about 50 miles away and i know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game i went with them and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child to the all star game in dc many years ago although im now in the sf bay area id love to be able to treat my folks to this game its absolutely the last chance theyd ever have to attend this g ame locally any info would be greatly appreciated mary cole mcole informix com cars rec autos welcome to to the new reader archive name rec autos part1 most recent changes 15 march 1993 addition of alt autos karting rpw welcome to rec autos this article is sent out automatically each month and contains a general description of the purpose of each of the automotive newsgroups and some suggested guidelines for discussions the keywords monthly posting will always appear to make killing this article easy for users of newsreaders with kill facilities this article is posted to all autos groups but followups are directed only to rec autos if you dont understand what this means ask your system administrator for help or at least for copies of the newuser documentation failing that please subscribe to the newsgroup news announce newusers and read the documentation provided there introduction to the rec autos newsgroup hierarchy rec autos tech is intended 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any or all of the rec autos groups is usually inappropriate if you find yourself doing so consider whether or not it is truly advisable before sending your article consider setting followup to to point to only one newsgroup if you feel you must crosspost crossposting between rec autos and misc consumers is chancy at best in particular flame wars over the speed limit in the us and or the use of radar detectors should never be crossposted between any of these groups most readers of sci electronics and rec radio couldnt care less about the police radar and radar detector arguments that go on endlessly in rec autos it is an excellent idea to check the newsgroups and followup to lines of articles before posting a followup in particular be wary of posting to misc test rec arts startrek or talk bizarre or any combination of these three the life you save may be your own distribution there is a field in the header of any news article which allows you to partially control where the article goes it is called the distribution field it may be very useful for many reasons it should also serve as a reminder that news is a very large and widespread system the distribution of rec autos is fairly extensive as of this writing the automotive newsgroups are known to reach most of europe australia new zealand and some locations in japan with this in mind i offer the following hints about use of the distribution field in your article headers and on article content 1 please take care not to send for sale ads about clapped out ford mavericks in new jersey to france or california i doubt that anyone in either place will care except for my girlfriend who for some strange reason likes mavericks but only 4 door mavericks at that 2 when posting technical questions please include the market for which your car was manufactured for example there are a number of differences between a european market ford escort and a us market escort likewise all 1750cc and early 2000cc alfa romeos reached the us with spica fuel injection european market cars usually got carbs often webers these differences can be important to your readers make your situation clear failure to do so can lead to pointless flame wars and a significant spread of misinformation 3 be careful about your capacities and specifications when posting in the us we get a mix of metric and english system values whereas europe is almost entirely on the metric system a future edition of this monthly posting will contain a list of commonly used abbreviations that may not be known in some places that rec autos reaches this cuts both ways so let us not be parochial about it 4 use the distribution field to limit where your article goes when possible within north america the values na north america can canada and usa may be used in addition the two letter state abbreviations of the us are supported in some cases e g if i wanted to send an article only to new york and new jersey i could put ny nj in a distribution field note that multiple comma separated values are legal these distribution fields vary widely however so you should check with your local sysadmin to find out what is likely to be supported in your area the dangers of overgeneralization to amplify a warning from the distribution section of this article be wary of making foolish assumptions about all cars tires etc what is true for a 1973 buick with a 455cid engine may be quite utterly wrong for a 1976 honda with a 1200cc engine headlight laws in sweden are decidedly different from those in idaho the need for adequate specification when you ask a question please give a reasonable amount of information e g if you have a question about your honda please specify year model engine size etc otherwise most answers to your question may be quite useless concerning lemons at one time or another every auto manufacturer has manufactured a lemon or two even honda admits to this please dont waste everyones time by announcing to the world that your brand x automobile is terrible so all brand x automobiles are terrible so no one should ever buy a car from the brand x company such articles are worse than useless because they cause substantial wasted bandwidth while carrying little or no useful information concerning flames as much as we might wish it a flame free newsgroup is something that most likely will never occur here are some guidelines for flames and how to deal with them a list of flame prone topics follows in the next section of this posting if you post something truly obnoxious and inflammatory dont imagine for a minute that including the words no flames will work it wont and youll get exactly what you deserve if youre going to flame youre more likely to get away with it if you can cite a fact or maybe a well known reference no one is likely to believe bald unsupported assertions be careful about who you choose to insult consider not insulting anyone asking the question it is a bad idea to post a question and end it with a phrase like please send email i dont read this group it is a much better idea to end the question with please send email if there is sufficient interest ill summarize the results in a later posting i may miss posted responses to this request answering the question if someone wants to hop up their yugo dont tell them to get a mustang either be silent or give them useful advice if someone wants advice on defending a speeding ticket dont tell them to obey the law next time its offensive presumes guilt which is not proven and doesnt directly address the original question in general dont post in order to see your words in print and dont post in order to enjoy feeling smug and self righteous stale and or inflammatory topics certain topics are considered stale by old timers while discussion of them is certainly ok and new factual information is welcome ravings about them are extremely tiresome and may get the person who posts them ignored altogether some topics are naturally inflammatory it is difficult if not impossible to have meaningful discussion of them some of these topics include the following 1 the 55mph speed limit in the us pro and con 2 discussions about the morality and legality of the sale and usage of radar detectors 3 discussions over which radar detector is best 4 discussions over what is a sports car this is one reason why rec autos sport is not a sports car group everyone would argue about what constitutes a sports car 5 disputes over whether or not us federal law protects the drivers right to own and operate a radar detector 6 buy american discussions 7 clever bumper stickers and personalized license plates 8 insert nationality here cars are terrible 9 what kind of car did maxwell smart drive when i have a complete accurate answer it will be added to the commonly asked questions article which is also posted monthly until then please dont waste bandwidth on this topic rpw please direct comments and suggestions about this article to welty cabot balltown cma com richard welty 518 393 7228 welty cabot balltown cma com nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis carroll smith cars re do trains have radar in article 1993apr13 111652 usho72 hou281 chevron com hhtra usho72 hou281 chevron com t m haddock writes while taking an extended easter vacation i was going north on i 45 somewhere between centerville tx and dallas tx and i came upon a train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over the northbound lanes there appeared to be movement within the cab and out of curiosity i slowed to 85 to get a better look just as i passed from underneath the trestle my radar detector went into full alert all lights lit and all chirps beeps and buzzes going strong i thought i had been nailed good but no police materialized could this have been caused by the trains radio or what travis boy travis were you lucky you went under the new texas rangers stealth patrol car good thing you slowed down newsgroups rec autos distribution world followup to references 1993apr13 111652 usho72 hou281 chevron com from dje bmw535 nosubdomain nodomain don eilenberger organization subject re do trains have radar keywords guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 94102 hydra gatech edu gt5311b prism gatech edu bhattacharya abhijit writes in article 1r4ef7 408 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes do you think a 200 tax evasion justifies an armed assault by the government with 100 armed men in trailers orchestrated character assassination noise torture and a holocaust i doubt if koresh had let the batf have a look inside his place as they intended to do orchestrated character assassination noise torture and a holocaust would never have come to pass the bds killed members of the batf on the first day orchestrated character assassination and noise torture seem like a small retribution does the phrase innocent until proven guilty have any meaning anymore the use of tanks is quesionable however abhijit bhattacharya abhijit georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gt5311b internet gt5311b prism gatech edu jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 baseball question about candlestick i have tickets for the tb giants and i was wondering if anybody familiar with the stadium could tell me where section 15 in the lower level is located please e mail the response thanks rich youve read the hat now see the movie imus in the morning a blurb youre a blurb seinfeld religion oto the ancient order of oriental templars 93 04 16 e v after the glorious eve of taxation do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law the word of sin is restriction to all whom it may concern it is known only to a few that there exists an external visible organization of such men and women who having themselves found the path to real self knowledge and who having travelled the burning sands are willing to give the benefit of their experience and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be guided while numberless societies associations orders groups etc have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of the civilised world all following some line of occult study yet there is but one ancient organization of genuine mystics which shows the seeker after truth a royal road to discover the lost mysteries of antiquity and to the unveiling of the one hermetic truth this organization is known at the present time as the ancient order of oriental templars ordo templi orientis otherwise the hermetic brotherhood of light it is a modern school of magic and like the ancient schools of magic it derived its knowledge from the east this knowledge was never its possessors sic it was recorded in symbol parable and allegory requiring a key for its interpretation this key can be placed within the reach of all those who apply for membership to the oriental templars o t o the o t o is a body of initiates in whose hands are concentrated the secret knowledge of all oriental orders and of all existing masonic degrees the o t o although an academia masonica is not a masonic body so far as the craft degrees are concerned in the sense in which that expression is usually understood in england and therefore in no way conflicts with or infringes the just priveleges of the united lodge of england english master masons in good standing by arrangement on affiliation are admitted at reduced charges members of the ix degree become part proprietors of the estates and goods of the order for further information see the publications of the o t o and the synopsis of the degrees of the o t o constitution of the ancient order of oriental templars ordo templi orientis by frater superior merlin peregrinus x degree past grand master albert karl theodor reuss taken from equinox iii 10 edited by frater superior rex summus sanctissimus united states caliph of ordo templi orientis invoke me under my stars love is the law love under will i am i frater i nigris dclxvi cccxxxiii baseball 15 day 30 day 60 day disabled list questions ive a curiousity whenever a person is put on the 15 day 30 day or 60 day the person is on the list longer than the specificed time ive seen a person on the 15 day for maybe 4 months last year i dont remember what i just need a little clarification on the disabled list specifications scotyy scott allen steinbrink go cleveland cavaliers nba finals 93 netcom derich netcom com go cleveland indians world series 93 digex derich digex com go cleveland browns super bowl 94 baseball re marlins win marlins win look at all that teal bleah indeed if the color teal on a teams uniforms is any indication of the future the marlins are in dire trouble refer to the san jose sharks for proof but i have hope for the marlins i was a sometime member of the rene lachemann fan club at the oakland coliseum and have a deep respect for the guy hes a gem and of course walt weiss gives that franchise class but yeah whoever designed those uniforms was guilty of a paucity of style and imagination ugghhh lloyd r nebres uc berkeley internet lloyd uclink berkeley edu vox 510 848 9760 or 643 9390 never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 carrying a ton of cd roms cars re mr2 noisy engine eliot is right about 2 2 liter engine in the second and last generation mr2s but the original guy did not indicate the year of his mr2 if its a first generation car like my 85 it has 1 6 liter engine or perhaps same engine with a supercharger if its 87 89 the sound he describes is common to any older toyota engine i ever heard i dont know the relevance of his observations about oil changes my simply makes noise not all that annoying mind you but you hear it well when the engine is right behind your left ear mike s sorry bout that mine is a 91 model non turbo 2 0 with abs and revised suspension whatever revised means im in australia so we always seem to get the versions without extras which the europeans and americans get as standard my query is why does the noise get noticeably louder about 2 3 months after an oil change i just find it a bit wierd that this happens is it the oil im using mobil 1 or is it the engine the 3s ge version model ie gets noiser the older the oil is im only guessing its not annoyingly distressing or anything but just slightly puzzling puzzled baseball re cubs expos roster questions in article 1993apr15 003015 1 vmsb is csupomona edu cvadrnlh vmsb is csupomona edu writes today 4 14 cubs activated p mike harkey from dl whom did they move to make room for harkey also are delino deshields john wetteland of the expos on the dl thanks for anyone who can give me more info ken cal poly pomona wetteland is on the dl effective march 26 or something like that rick medicine the andromeda strain just had the opportunity to watch this flick on a e some 15 years since i saw it last i was very interested in the technology demonstrated in this film for handling infectious diseases and similar toxic substances clearly they faked a lot of the computer robotic technology certainly at the time it was made most of that was science fiction itself let alone the idea of a space germ quite coincidentally actually this is what got me wanted to see the movie again i watched a segment on the otherwise awful howd they do that dealing with a disease researcher at the cdcs top lab there was description of the elaborate security measures taken so that building will never be cracked so to speak by man or nature short of deliberate bombing from the air perhaps and the researchers used spacesuits similar to that in the film im curious what people think about this film short of silly is such a facility technically feasible today as far as the plot and the crystalline structure that is not life as we know it thats a whole nother argument for rec arts sf tech or something next a waco update an ohio prison update a bosnia update a russian update an abortion update and a congressional update here on snn the standoff news network all news all standoff all day daniel a hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask me about rotaract guns re ammo in a fire was re waco burning bressler iftccu ca boeing com rick bressler writes small arms rounds set off outside of a firearm pose little risk except possibly eye injuries and minor wounds true large concentrations of ammo or magazines not the type you insert into your semi auto probably pose a larger risk but mostly from heat and flame this is also covered in the above reference no more risk than smaller stashes unless the stash is somehow confined so the heat from early ignitions could somehow bulk heat the remainder two years ago this month my house and office burned in my office was my reloading bench on the top shelf next to the wooden ceiling was about 100 lbs of smokeless powder 5 lbs of black powder several thousand primers and a couple thousand loaded rounds primarily in 45acp 30 20 and 308 the fire was extinguished before the area containing the reloading supplies were fully involved there was about 1 2 of char on the joists subsequently removed by sandblasting lots of heat in other words none of the powder kegs ignited one 1lb can of pistol powder ignited no explosion as the can opened at the seam as it was designed to do the black powder cans were charred and got so hot the plastic lids completely melted and ran down inside the smokless powder was contained mostly in 8 lb cardboard or metal kegs the kegs were charred badly enough that the paper labels burned completely off and in the case of the metal cans the plastic lids melted completely away many of the rounds cooked off they were in close proximity to wood on all sides so the effects were easy to observe in most cases with the rifle ammo the cartridge cases ruptured in the middle many bullets were found still in the neck small shards of brass were lightly stuck into the wood lightly enough that brushing them with a fingertip would usually dislodge them primers generally popped out of the primer pockets the 45acp rounds that cooked off left empty cases and bullets laying around no dents were observed above the storage area indicating the bullets left the cases slowly enough not to be a hazard ordinary small arms ammo is not a hazard when cooking off regardless of what the fbi says john john de armond wd4oqc interested in high performance mobility performance engineering magazine tm interested in high tech and computers marietta ga send ur snail mail address to jgd dixie com perform dixie com for a free sample mag lee harvey oswald where are ya when we need ya guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news in article c4tshu ew6 magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes frank crary fcrary ucsu colorado edu wrote thats all very well and good but i was refering to all homocides not just ones involving handguns what is this fixation on death by shooting as if it were somehow worse than death by stabbing what relevance are all homicides in this debate what do you think gun control advocates are saying that if we get rid of all handguns we will live in a homicide free world the relevance is that if youve got x homicides and reduce the number of gun homicides in that group but x doesnt decrease by a significant amount have you made an improvement and is that improvement worth what youve paid the issue is guns not baseball bats even a simpleton knows that he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat certainly of outrunning a bat wielding assailant if a baseball bat is a tenth as likely to kill a victim as a gun is that any comfort to that tenth as for knives see my earlier post id much rather face a knife than a gun thanks ive faced a knife and i was damn annoyed i didnt have a gun all the statistics in the world didnt change the fact that he was interested in cutting me fortunately the best defense against a knife isnt another knife anyone trained in unarmed self defense wont have much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife assault which probably means 99 9 of knife assailants anyone trained in self defense unarmed self defense isnt for everyone whats more it requires substantially more training to be safe and effective than a firearm it requires physical proximity and thus a greater threat to the victim which is a primary problem with stun guns you have to actually touch your assailant unless youre very good a large stronger assailant can simply ignore your blows long enough to incapacitate you david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu baseball re moe berg barring cs washington edu david barrington writes npr this morning had an interview with linda mccarthy name possibly garbled by me an official historian for the cia she has won an emmy for research on moe berg for a tv documentary which i know from nothing but which sounds good she said that among other things berg was the principal spy for the oss cias wwii precursor spying on axis atomic programs because of his physics background and language skills she said that during the war he met with heisenberg in switzerland and had instructions to shoot heisenberg if the germans were close to us in bomb research he concluded they were two years behind and didnt shoot him i have heard elsewhere that heisenberg deliberately misled the nazi bomb program but i dont know how reliable this is unfortunately npr didnt mention any kind of a book shes writing id certainly buy it dave mb there is a great book out called they also served which is about the ballplayers during wwii there is some info on berg in there it also has info on pete gray one armed outfielder and other players of the era because of the draft many players during the war were those who were exempt from the draft for medical reasons there are some very interesting stories in the book it is very well written and i would suggest reading it to anyone with an interest in baseball rob koffler you live day to day and rkoffler ux4 cso uiuc edu dream about tomorrow don henley medicine recurrent respiratory papillomatosis we will be holding a bake and craft sale at communiversity in princeton on nassau street saturday april 24th 12 4 p m to benefit the recurrent respiratory papillomatosis foundation a nonprofit foundation established to encourage research toward a cure for recurrent respiratory papillomatosis our three year old daughter suffers from this disease below is a press release that appeared in local newspapers hope you can join us on saturday april 24 as part of communiversity in princeton a local family will be having a bake and craft sale to raise money for and create public awareness about a rare disease called recurrent respiratory papillomatosis bill and marlene sterns daughter lindsay is afflicted with this disease characterized by tumors attacking the inside of the larynx vocal cords and trachea caused by a virus the tumors grow block the air passages and would lead to death from suffocation without continual surgery to remove the growths three year old lindsay has undergone 11 operations thus far since her diagnosis last year and faces the prospect of over a hundred operations throughout her lifetime even though the disease is hardly a household word it has affected the lives of enough people to inspire the formation of the recurrent respiratory papillomatosis foundation a non profit foundation whose goals are to provide support for patients and families by networking patients and publishing a newsletter enhance awareness of rrp at the local and national level and aid in the prevention cure and treatment since medical researchers know that the virus causing the disease is similar to those viruses causing warts they feel a cure would be within reach if money were available for research because rrp is rare it not only gets scant attention but also paltry funds to search for a cure part of the rrp foundations mission is to change that anyone interested in contributing items to the bake and craft sale please call marlene or bill at 609 890 0502 monetary donations can be made at the foundations booth during communiversity april 24th 12 to 4 p m in downtown princeton or sent directly to the recurrent respiratory foundation 50 wesleyan drive hamilton sq nj 08690 thanks mstern lindsay princeton edu guns re fwd free nra membership offer andy sail stanford edu andy freeman writes the nra supports anyone whos pro gun and has a chance of winning election regardless of their other positions is it their fault that some drug legalizers are anti gun is it their fault that the drug legalizers who are pro gun cant get elected its not the nras fault but it is something to consider if you are considering contributing to the nra if candidate b is a complete asshole whose only saving grace is that he opposes unnecessary restrictions on firearms i wouldnt want my membership dues funding efforts to get him re elected i have other problems with the nra as an organization the individual members ive met have been loyal trustworthy honest brave etc especially my boss who probably reads this newsgroup b they are definitely pro hunting and i recall seeing a pro desert storm nra bumper sticker sometimes they come on too strong in the political arena which contributes to their reputation as bad guys amoung many people tom swiss tms cs umd edu born to die keep your laws off my brain whats so funny bout peace love and understanding nick lowe this sig contains no animal products and was not tested on animals i would feel more optimistic about a bright future for man if he spent less time proving that he can outwit nature and more time tasting her sweetness and respecting her seniority e b white medicine faq typing injuries 1 4 changes since last month monthly posting archive name typing injury faq changes version revision 1 3 date 1993 04 13 04 12 33 this file details changes to the soda berkeley edu archive and summarizes whats new in the various faq frequently asked questions documents this will be posted monthly along with the full faq to the various net groups the various mailing lists will either receive the full faq every month or every third month but will always get this file once per month phew changes to the typing injuries faq and soda berkeley edu archive this month a few new files on the soda berkeley edu archive the tidbits caring for your wrists document rsi network 11 advice about adverse mechanical tension more details about the new apple keyboard more info about carpal tunnel syndrome carpal explained more general info about rsi rsi details rsi physical marketing info on the vertical macweek article the bat new details on hooking a normal pc keyboard to an rs 6000 updated pricing info on the datahand and comfort half qwerty now available for anonymous ftp on explorer dgp toronto edu new gif picutures the apple adjustable keyboard the key tronic flexpro another picture of the kinesis the vertical the tony if youd like to receive a copy of the faq and you didnt find it in the same place you found this document you can either send e mail to dwallach cs berkeley edu or you can anonymous ftp to soda berkeley edu 128 32 149 19 and look in the pub typing injury directory enjoy dan wallach one of the most attractive features of a connection dwallach cs berkeley edu machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces office 510 642 9585 of its cabinet cm paris ref manual v6 0 p48 guns re carrying arms in article 1993apr5 220457 6800 spdc ti com dwhite epcot spdc ti com dan white writes i have a question about the second amendment that has bothered me for awhile the amendment guarentees our right to keep and bear arms currently the gun prohibitionists are trying to restrict or eliminate our right to keep arms with the brady bill and the assault weapon ban however havent we already lost our right to bear arms it seems that in most states like texas a citizen may own a gun and carry while at his home or business but a citizen is severely restricted from bearing outside these areas here in texas you cannot carry in your car except when traveling which is usually defined as traveling across a county line how did this come about are there any court rulings on the legality of restricting the carrying of a weapon outside the home there are but not any that would help texans in many states such laws have been found to violate the state constitution but the federal second amendment does not apply directly to the states it was written to limit the federal government only the fourteenth amendment was written to extend the restrictions of the bill of rights to the state level however the exact wording of the fourteenth amendment is very vague the supreme court has been dancing around the issue without facing it directly for over 100 years in practice the bill of right indirectly applies through the fourteenth applies to the state governments only if the supreme court has ruled that particular provision the court has made no such rulings on the second amendment frank crary cu boulder cars re ford probe opinions centered around the gt in article 1993apr20 002651 20797 sco com nathanp sco com nathan writes jeremy g mereness zonker cmu edu says can anyone offer any opinions of the ford probe ala how they do in the long run repair records reliability mileage etc i am fixing to buy a car in the next few months aiming toward something a little bigger than a typical small car and with a little more power i am considering the mx 6 probe accord corolla and the 240sx i bought a 93 probe gt with the pep 263a last july now at 9500 miles after debating over the sentra se r nx2000 mx6 mr 2 stealth prelude and celica the car design is different than earlier years so its too early to see its reliability so far for what its worth my comments my dislikes shutting door with windows up from inside rarely makes good wind seal some other owners on the ford probe world std com mailing list have commented about this problem but i havent seen it happen on my 3 month old 93 probe gt i think this may be something that ford has corrected since the initial batch of cars also someone said that ford has issued a service bulletin to inform dealers about how to correct this problem so you may be able to get your dealer to fix it headlights have stuck up a few times weather air conditioning broke 4000 miles pressure cycling switch condensation around rear washer fluid container doesnt drain completely havent seen any of these problems nor have i seen these mentioned on the mailing list so these might just be having bad luck with these crammed engine little hope for do it yourselfers typical definitely parts somewhat more expensive than normal ford parts underside plastic doesnt like sharp driveways and speedbumps typical assembly gripes tape on radiator screw fell out of dash seat seams not stitched properly hopefully just a fluke no problems like these either i havent been able to find any obvious places where they screwed up ford only gives 1 key with the car cmon ford spend an extra few pennies hmmm i got two keys with my car something tells me you got stiffed by your dealer on this actually if you count the credit card key that came in the owners binder i got 3 keys but since the credit card key doesnt have any teeth cut in it yet i guess i wont count it rear hatch has no padding on corners when up im waiting for the day when i bash my head on the corner horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center personal preference the latter is probably because of the air bag its pretty much takes up all the space where youd expect to find the horn speaking of the horn i was surprised to find that the probe comes with one of those nice merican sounding horns instead of the japanese sounding kind the previous probes had japanese horns tires fling dirt mud onto side of car yeah not very badly but enough to be annoying sometimes my likes engine design valves sounds smoothness power mileage torque definitely 1 handling very good for fwd understeer only at limits transmission the 5 speed is a must usable instrumentation lovely readable analog everywhere very little torque steer at full power much better than the 90 sho i drive stability at 100 mph high gearing though low cowl good visibility in front heated outside mirrors nice in fog never tested in freezing weather abs air bag see above rear seats fold down i have few rear seat passengers so a trunk not important no shake rattle noises when going over bumps potholes still tires 225 55vr16 goodyear eagles 70 left hoping for 30k i agree strongly with all of the above especially about the engine the interior is very very nice too very pleasing to the eye and ergonomically sound i drive it to and from work each day on relatively smooth roads and most noticable thing is that the probes suspension doesnt like potholes when you test drive one find a potholed road somewhere around town and see if the jarring you get is tolerable yes this cars stiff suspension isnt for everyone i personally like it but if you find it a little harsh but otherwise like the car id strongly suggest looking into the mx 6 if you have 3 passengers by all means bring them along too theyll find that they have no room in the back and youll find that the car rides differently if thats better is up to you the problem with the back seat is that theres no leg room plenty of head room though shorter people fit back there without any complaints so long as the seat they are sitting behind is pulled forward a bit to give them a place to put their feet also theres a lot of glass around you which i wasnt expecting the temperature inside the car gets pretty hot in the summer my back seat passengers now very few complain about the lack of ventilation you may want to consider that when combined with the heat the power moonroof can greatly improve the ventilation throughout the car i really enjoy the moonroof by the way but then ive always been a sucker for open air driving no leakage problems or anything like that yet ive heard that the exhaust system has trouble but mine works fine i havent heard about this one i know that some of the very early probes 89 and maybe 90 had problems with prematurely rusting mufflers which ford will replace at no charge but i havent heard about anything like this concerning the 93 probes i havent had any real trouble with this car outside of a cv joint boot that was leaking but the dealer took care of that promptly and even gave me a free rental car for the day and a half that i was without my car i was quite happy with the way they handled especially considering that i was expecting the worst from them from what ive heard it sounds like ford mazda had some qc problems with the probe and probably mx 6 when they first went into production but i think these problems have mostly been corrected at this point thats almost always to be expected with a completely new car like this though hope this helps chuck chuck kesler internet chuck eos ncsu edu unix systems programmer us mail box 7901 ncsu campus engineering computer operations raleigh nc 27695 usa north carolina state university phone 1 919 515 2458 medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article c5l9ws jn2 unx sas com sasghm theseus unx sas com gary merrill writes in article 1993apr16 155919 28040 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes genes this fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out binding assays the result was a well conserved 400 or so bp sequence but why do you characterize this as a flight of fancy or a fantasy the fantasy was that he had found something of fundamental importance to one of the hot questions of the day 77 he really had very little reason to believe it other than raw hope by fantasy i certainly dont mean velikovskian manias some other theory or domain i would offer some rather well known examples such as toricellis puy de dome experiment done for the sake of his sea of air hypothesis im not familiar with the history of this experiment although arguably i should be surprising well given the prior explanations of the phenomena involved it certainly be counted as so was the theory constructed and the experiment designed out of perfectly rational grounds well there was a pretty successful and well know theory of fluids the analogy to fluids by toricelli is explicit the novelty was in thinking of air as a fluid but this was quite a novelty at the time was the theory interesting yes was it new well one could argue that it was merely the extension of an existing theory to a new domain but i think this begs certain questions we can debate that if you like i think that it is enough if his contemporaries found the result surprising thats not what id quibble about what id like to know are toricellis reasons for doing his experiment not the post hoc constructed reasons but the thoughts in his head as he considered the problem it may be impossible to know much about toricellis thoughts thats too bad if it is so one of root bernsteins services to science is that he has gone rooting about in pasteurs and flemings and other peoples notes and has discovered some surprising clues about their motivations pasteur never publicly admitted his plan to create mirror image life but the dreams are right there in his notebooks finally public after many years ready for anyone to read and i and my friends often have the most ridiculous reasons for pursuing results one of my best came because i was mad at a colleague for a poorly written claim i disproved the claim of course toricellis case may be an example of a rarety where the fantasy not only motivates the experiment but turns out to be right in the end mark mark a fulk university of rochester computer science department fulk cs rochester edu windows re why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse ecktons ucs byu edu sean eckton writes i have a microsoft serial mouse and am using mouse com 8 00 was using 8 20 i think but switched to 8 00 to see if it was any better vertical motion is nice and smooth but horizontal motion is so bad i sometimes cant click on something because my mouse jumps around i can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit then jump to the right then move smoothly for a bit then jump again maybe this time to the left about 5 inch this is crazy i have never had so much trouble with a mouse before anyone have any solutions does microsoft think they are what everyone should be just venting steam i had the same problem at first i thought it was the video driver and made sure i had the most current drivers because the problem was most evident at svga resolution modes it didnt help and after a bit of experimentation determined that the problem existed in standard vga resolution mode it was just much less noticeable my mouse was an older ms serial version i bought second hand in 1990 it worked just fine in dos and dos based graphic applications on the guess that the problem was with the resolution of the mouse i borrowed a new mouse a ms bus model and tried it that solved the problem so if your mouse is old you may want to try replacing it for a newer one sean eckton computer support representative college of fine arts and communications d 406 hfac brigham young university provo ut 84602 801 378 3292 hfac csr byu edu ecktons ucs byu edu signoff russ lister rlister cti com or well connected systen uunet cti1 rlister comprehensive technologies intl inc arlington va windows 768x1024 trident driver wanted is there a 768x1024 trident driver for windows anywere this mode is supported by the drivers fo os 2 but i have not been able to find it for windows 768x1024 means 768 wide and 1024 high as opposed to 1024x768 any help is appreciated peter vestman dep of computing science university of umea sweden cars re top 10 reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired in article 1993apr6 185328 24947 news cs brandeis edu andyh chaos cs brandeis edu andrew j huang writes in article 1993apr6 180456 17573 magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article 1993apr06 133319 7008 metrics com tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes chints iscs nus sg writes here are another ten reasons why we should all love cr or the spectacle of macho real men who would never bother to read the magazine but are more than apt to criticize it but thats the point we do read it or at least we did then we found that their recommendations were useless and uninformed then we write lists the cr flame war is so easy to start because they are so wrong and claim to be so right and so thorough andy ok if you are so right name a few good examples that were brought up john john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasnt it the black adder baseball re espn tbs games in article 05apr93 13661642 0023 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes does anyone know where i can get a list of nationally televised games such as espn and tbs i live on the east coast and id like to catch as many giants games as i possibly can this list is published every week in baseball weekly brian curran mead data central brian meaddata com that was not swimming that was bathing a german reporter after watching 1972 olympic superstar swimmer mark spitz get badly beaten during a 1991 comeback race guns re batf fbi revenge am i having a vain hope that an honest investigation will occur on this thing or will it simply be whitewashed under the rug and business as usual will continue to be the order of the day in the new order who will be given the official title of thought police i wonder and if clinton and friends have their way highly likely at this point the new order government will also have all the guns so what if 1984 is going to be ten years late i think we are going to discover that we will be paying dearly for putting this fellow in office for decades to come even some die hard supporters are having serious doubts about their savior ahem see the war on drugs as sponsored by the bush and reagan administrations the precedent had well been set for federal agencies to step on more than a few of what people consider rights i wont make excuses for anyone but most of the damage had been done before clinton even entered the race in 92 baseball re phills vs pirates mlb m pit phi monday 5 10 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm tuesday 5 11 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm wednesday 5 12 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm friday 6 25 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm saturday 6 26 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 05 pm sunday 6 27 philadelphia at pittsburg 11 35 am friday 7 30 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm saturday 7 31 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 05 pm sunday 8 1 pittsburg at philadelphia 11 35 am monday 9 27 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm tuesday 9 28 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm wednesday 9 29 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm thursday 9 30 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm are these times correct they seem as if they are 2 hrs ahead of the usual tiems for these two teams the origin of that first message was boise which is on central time p tierney whoops i meant mountain time p tierney cars re help with 89 mitsubishi galant gs transmission in article 1r6j9linnac6 phakt usc edu rmakarem usc edu total stranger writes hi i need your help with a problem i have with a 1989 mitsubishi galant gs transmission the car has a 5 speed manual tranmission since the car was bought new while shifting from 2nd to 3rd unless i do it slowly and carefully it makes a popping or hitting sound the dealer and mitsubishi customer service reached by an 800 say this is normal for the car is it and about a year ago at 35kmiles the stick shift handle got stuck while attempting to put it in reverse 1 the shifter would not budge the clutch had no effect 2 the front tires would not budge even when the clutch is fully depressed 3 if the clutch is released the engine would die 4 assuming that some gear was engaged while the shifter was stuck i could not make the car move it acted as if it were in neutral except for dying when clutch is released 5 i finally was able to release the shifter by having someone rock the car back and forth less than an inch while i depressed the clutch and jiggled the shifter 6 the shifter acted normally after that when this happened i took it to the dealer they checked the clutch it was o k they checked the transmission it was o k i had the exact problem a couple of months ago and again last week the dealer says there is nothing they can do because mitsubishi the 800 says they have never heard of the problem and the dealer could not reproduce the problem while they had the car in all three occurances the car was parked head first in a garage and since the front wheels were stuck the car could not be towed to the dealer before releasing the shifter hence temporarily solving the problem and the dealer and mitsubishi refused to send someone to check the car while it was stuck i know there is smething wrong with the transmission shifting from 2nd to 3rd and getting stuck at random but i cant get the dealer to fix it i need your help with the mechanical problems and with how to handle mitsubishi all hints and suggestions are greatly appreciated and sorry to bore you with the long post thanks rabih try another dealer sometimes the sophistication of equipment etc is better at one dealer than another you may also find another dealer willing to help you with the problem joe baseball re pleasant yankee surprises in article 120399 netnews upenn edu sepinwal mail sas upenn edu alan sepinwall writes farrs era is in the 20s or 30s and howes is infinite i didnt think such a thing was possible but it is actually according to usa today howe has 1 inning atttributed to him but maybe that is incorrect by the excellent report cars re warning please read in article 1993apr15 173851 25846 convex com tobias convex com allen tobias wrote society as we have known it it coming apart at the seams the basic reason is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is no big deal kids see hundreds on murderous acts on tv we can abort children on demand and kill the sick and old at will so why be surprised when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people they dont care because the message they hear is life is cheap i think this is getting a little overheated highway robbers have been a part of life since the middle ages at least its human nature to look at history through rose colored glasses but random acts of violence have been a ceaseless part of our heritage overall life is better now than it ever was then its just that random individual acts of violence have never been historically significant and record keeping in the past was never good enough to retain them all steve wall medicine re nose picking stephen mont cs missouri edu stephen montgomery smith writes 1 does it cause the body any harm if one picks ones nose for example might it lead to a loss of ability to smell 2 is it harmful for one to eat ones nose pickings ive seen children do this and wondered about something if the mucus in ones nose collects filters particles going into the airway if a child then picks and ingests this material might it have a vaccinatory effect since if the body ingests airborne diseases or other stuff on the mucus the body might generate antibodies for this small invasion maybe this is why some children dont get sick very often tom internet mvac23 thomas udel edu or thomas mvac23 udel edu home lapp cdhub1 dnet dupont com work osi c us a mci s lapp d id 4398613 uucp ucbvax mcvax uunet udel mvac23 thomas location newark de usa medicine re pregnency without sex mmatusev radford vak12ed edu melissa n matusevich writes speaking of educational systems i recently had a colleague tell me that the reason one of our fifth grade students is so physically developed is because she was sexually abused as a younger child this she went on to say kicks the pituitary gland into action and causes puberty nonsense ive taught fifth sixth seventh there are a few early puberty types in fifth and it has nothing to do with early sexual experience jackie medicine help looking for a medical journal article whiplash cervical pain hi i am not sure where to post this message please contact me if im way off the mark on 19 3 93 my wife went to her general practitioner doctor he mentioned an article from a medical journal that is of great interest to us he had read it in the previous three months but has been unable to find it again the article was about whiplash injury cervical pain it mentions the use of a mri magnetic resonance imagery machine as a diagnostic tool and the work of a neurosurgeon who relived cervical pain this article is most likely in an australian medical journal i very much want to obtain the name of the article journal and author because the case matches my wife we would very much appreciate anyones help in this matter via email preferably gavin anderson email ganderson cmutual com au analyst programmer phone 61 3 607 6299 colonial mutual life aust acn 004021809 fax 61 3 283 1095 some people never consciously discover their antipodes gavin anderson email ganderson cmutual com au analyst programmer phone 61 3 607 6299 colonial mutual life aust acn 004021809 fax 61 3 283 1095 cars viper last night i had a dream that my dad bought a viper i took it out for a test drive without his knowledge and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket wierd dream i wonder what it means roy medicine faq typing injuries 3 4 keyboard alternatives monthly posting archive name typing injury faq keyboards version revision 5 11 date 1993 04 13 01 20 43 answers to frequently asked questions about keyboard alternatives the alternative keyboard faq copyright 1992 1993 by dan wallach dwallach cs berkeley edu the opinions in here are my own unless otherwise mentioned and do not represent the opinions of any organization or vendor current distribution sci med occupational sci med comp human factors news sci comp answers and e mail to c health iubvm ucs indiana edu sorehand vm ucsf edu and cstg l vtvm1 cc vt edu changes since previously distributed versions are marked with change bars to the right of the text as is this paragraph information in this faq has been pieced together from phone conversations e mail and product literature while i hope its useful the information in here is neither comprehensive nor error free if you find something wrong or missing please mail me and ill update my list thanks all phone numbers unless otherwise mentioned are u s a phone numbers all monetary figures unless otherwise mentioned are u s a dollars products covered in this faq using a pcs keyboard on your workstation compatibility issues apple computer inc key tronic flexpro dragon systems the bat datahand comfort keyboard system kinesis ergonomic keyboard maltron the tony ergonomic keysystem the vertical the mikey the wave the minimal motion computer access system twiddler half qwerty microwriter braille n speak octima accukey gif pictures of many of these products are available via anonymous ftp from soda berkeley edu pub typing injury 128 32 149 19 i highly recommend getting the pictures they tell much more than i can fit into this file if you cant ftp send me mail and ill uuencode and mail them to you theyre pretty big using a pcs keyboard on your workstation compatibility issues mini outline 1 spoofing a keyboard over the serial port 2 x terminals 3 next 4 silicon graphics 5 ibm rs 6000 6 other stuff 1 spoofing a keyboard over the serial port if youve got a proprietary computer which uses its own keyboard sun hp dec etc then youre going to have a hard time finding a vendor to sell you a compatible keyboard if your workstation runs the x window system youre in luck you can buy a cheap used pc hook your expensive keyboard up to it and run a serial cable to your workstation then run a program on the workstation to read the serial port and generate fake x keyboard events the two main programs ive found to do this are kt and a2x a2x is a sophisticated program capable of controlling the mouse and even moving among widgets on the screen it requires a server extension xtest dec xtrap or xtestextension1 to find out if your server can do this run xdpyinfo and see if any of these strings appear in the extensions list if your server doesnt have this you may want to investigate compiling x11r5 patchlevel 18 or later or bugging your vendor kt is a simpler program which should work with unextended x servers another program called xsendevent also exists but i havent seen it both a2x and kt are available via anonymous ftp from soda berkeley edu 2 x terminals also a number of x terminals ncd tektronics to name a few use pc compatible keyboards if you have an x terminal you may be all set try it out with a normal pc keyboard before you go through the trouble of buying an alternative keyboard also some x terminals add extra buttons you may need to keep your original keyboard around for the once in a blue moon that you have to hit the setup key 3 next next had announced that new next machines will use the apple desktop bus meaning any mac keyboard will work then they announced they were cancelling their hardware production if you want any kind of upgrade for an older next do it now 4 silicon graphics silicon graphics has announced that their newer machines indigo 2 and beyond will use standard pc compatible keyboards and mice i dont believe this also applies to the power series machines its not possible to upgrade an older sgi to use pc keyboards except by upgrading the entire machine contact your sgi sales rep for more details 5 ibm rs 6000 ibm rs 6000 keyboards are actually similar to normal pc keyboards unfortunately you cant just plug one in you need two things a cable converter to go from the large pc keyboard connector to the smaller ps 2 style din 6 and a new device driver for aix believe it or not ibm wrote this device driver recently i used it and it works however they dont want me to redistribute it ive been told judy hume 512 823 6337 is a potential contact if you learn anything new please send me e mail 6 other stuff some vendors here notably health care keyboard co and accucorp support some odd keyboard types and may be responsive to your queries regarding supporting your own weird computer if you can get sufficient documention about how your keyboard works either from the vendor or with a storage oscilloscope you may be in luck contact the companies for more details apple adjustable keyboard apple computer inc sales offices all over the place availability february 1993 price 219 supports mac only apple has recently announced their new split design keyboard the keyboard has one section for each hand and the sections rotate backward on a hinge the sections do not tilt upward the keys are arranged in a normal qwerty fashion the main foldable keyboard resembles a normal apple keyboard a separate keypad contains all the extended key functions the keyboard also comes with matching wrist rests which are not directly attachable to the keyboard as soon as soda comes back up ill have a detailed blurb from tidbits available there flexpro keyboard key tronic phone 800 262 6006 possible contact denise razzeto 509 927 5299 sold by many clone vendors and pc shops availability spring 1993 price 489 supports pc only highly likely keytronic apparently showed a prototype keyboard at comdex its another split design one thumb wheel controls the tilt of both the left and right hand sides of the main alphanumeric section the arrow keys and keypad resemble a normal 101 key pc keyboard keytronic makes standard pc keyboards also so this product will probably be sold through their standard distribution channels dragondictate 30k and numerous other dragon products dragon systems inc 320 nevada street newton ma 02160 phone 800 talk typ or 617 965 5200 fax 617 527 0372 shipping now price dragondictate 30k 4995 end user system dragonwriter 1000 1595 2495 end user developer system various other prices for service contracts site licenses etc compatibility 386 or higher pc only 3rd party support for mac free software support for x windows is also available your pc with dragon hardware talks to your workstation over a serial cable or network the program is called a2x and is available via anonymous ftp soda berkeley edu pub typing injury a2x tar z export lcs mit edu contrib a2x tar z most current if you want to use your dragon product with x windows you may want to ask for peter cohen an salesman at dragon who knows more about this sort of thing dragon systems sells a number of voice recognition products most if not all of them seem to run on pcs and compatibles including ps 2s and other microchannel boxes they sell you a hardware board and software which sits in front of a number of popular word processors and spreadsheets each user trains the system to their voice and there are provisions to correct the system when it makes mistakes on the fly multiple people can use it but you have to load a different personality file for each person you still get the use of your normal keyboard too on the dragondictate 30k you need to pause 1 10th sec between words dragon claims typical input speeds of 30 40 words per minute i dont have specs on the dragonwriter 1000 the dragondictate 30k can recognize 30 000 words at a time the dragonwriter 1000 can recognize you guessed it 1000 words at a time dragons technology is also part of the following products about which i have no other info microsoft windows sound system voice pilot ibm voicetype voice navigator ii by articulate systems for macintosh emstation by lanier voice products emergency medical workstation the bat old phone number 504 336 0033 current phone number 504 766 8082 infogrip inc 812 north blvd baton rouge louisiana 70802 u s a ward bond main contact david vicknair did the unix software 504 766 1029 shipping now supports mac ibm pc serial port native keyboard port version coming very soon no other workstations supported but serial support for unix with x windows has been written pc and mac are getting all the real attention from the company a chording system one hand is sufficient to type everything the second hand is for redundancy and increased speed price 495 dual set each one is a complete keyboard by itself 295 single cheaper prices were offered at macworld expo as a show special datahand 602 860 8584 industrial innovations inc 10789 north 90th street scottsdale arizona 85260 6727 u s a mark roggenbuck contact supports pc and mac shipping in beta big backlog could take 3 months price 2000 unit 1 unit 2 pods new price each hand has its own pod each of the four main fingers has five switches each forward back left right and down the thumbs have a number of switches despite appearances the key layout resembles qwerty and is reported to be no big deal to adapt to the idea is that your hands never have to move to use the keyboard the whole pod tilts in its base to act as a mouse see also the detailed review written by cliff lasser cal think com available via anonymous ftp from soda berkeley edu comfort keyboard system 414 253 4131 fax 414 253 4177 health care keyboard company n82 w15340 appleton ave menomonee falls wisconsin 53051 u s a jeffrey szmanda vice president contact shipping now supports pc and mac planned future support ibm 122 key layout 3270 style i believe sun sparc decision data unisys uts 40 silicon graphics others to be supported later the hardware design is relatively easy for the company to re configure price 690 including one system personality module the idea is that one keyboard works with everything you purchase compatibility modules a new cord and possibly new keycaps and then you can move your one keyboard around among different machines its a three piece folding keyboard the layout resembles the standard 101 key keyboard except sliced into three sections each section is on a custom telescoping universal mount each section independently adjusts to an infinite number of positions allowing each individual to type in a natural posture you can rearrange the three sections too have the keypad in the middle if you want each section is otherwise normal shaped i e you put all three sections flat and you have what looks like a normal 101 key keyboard kinesis ergonomic keyboard 206 455 9220 206 455 9233 fax kinesis corporation 15245 pacific highway south seattle washington 98188 u s a shirley lunde vp marketing contact shipping now supports pc mac and sun sparc in the works price 690 volume discounts available the 690 includes one foot pedal one set of adhesive wrist pads and a typingtutor program an additional foot pedal and other accessories are extra the layout has a large blank space in the middle even though the keyboard is about the size of a normal pc keyboard slightly smaller each hand has its own set of keys laid out to minimize finger travel thumb buttons handle many major functions enter backspace etc you can remap the keyboard in firmware very nice when software wont allow the reconfig foot pedals are also available and can be mapped to any key on the keyboard shift control whatever maltron 44 081 398 3265 united kingdom p c d maltron limited 15 orchard lane east molesey surrey kt8 obn england pamela and stephen hobday contacts u s distributor jim barrett applied learning corp 1376 glen hardie road wayne pa 19087 phone 215 688 6866 supports pcs amstrad 1512 1640 bbc b bbc master mac apparently now also available price 375 pounds 735 shipped in the u s a basically converted price shipping the cost is less for bbc computers and they have a number of accessories including carrying cases switch boxes to use both your normal keyboard and the maltron an articulated arm that clamps on to your table and training courses to help you learn to type on your maltron you can also rent a keyboard for 10 pounds week taxes u s price 120 month and then 60 off purchase if you want it shipping now in your choice of colors black or grey maltron has four main products a two handed keyboard two one handed keyboards and a keyboard designed for handicapped people to control with a mouth stick the layout allocates more buttons to the thumbs and is curved to bring keys closer to the fingers a separate keypad is in the middle accukey accucorp inc p o box 66 christiansburg va 24073 u s a 703 961 3576 pete rosenquist sales 703 961 2001 larry langley president shipping now supports pc mac ibm 3270 sun sparc and televideo 935 and 955 cost 495 shipping doesnt use conventional push keys soft rubber keys which rock forward and backward each key has three states make chords for typing keys learning time is estimated to be 2 3 hours for getting started and maybe two weeks to get used to it currently the thumbs dont do anything although a thumb trackball is in the works the company claims it takes about a week of work to support a new computer they will be happy to adapt their keyboard to your computer if possible twiddler 516 474 4405 or 800 638 2352 handykey 141 mt sinai ave mt sinai ny 11766 chris george president shipping now price 199 supports pc only mac and x windows in the works the twiddler is both a keyboard and a mouse and it fits in one hand you type via finger chords shift control etc are thumb buttons when in mouse mode tilting the twiddler moves the mouse and mouse buttons are on your fingers the cabling leaves your normal keyboard available also most applications work and windows works fine desqview has trouble geoworks also has trouble mouse works keyboard doesnt braille n speak 301 879 4944 blazie engineering 3660 mill green rd street md 21154 u s a information provided by doug martin martin nosc mil the braille n speak uses any of several braille codes for entering information grade i grade ii or computer braille basically letters a j are combinations of dots 1 2 4 and 5 letters k t are the same combinations as a j with dot 3 added letters u v x y and z are like a e with dots 3 and 6 added w is unique because louis braille didnt have a w in the french alphabet the tony ergonomic keysystem 415 969 8669 tony hodges the tony corporation 2332 thompson court mountain view ca 94043 u s a supports mac pc ibm 3270 sun and dec shipping price 625 you commit now and then youre in line to buy the keyboard when it ships if its cheaper you pay the cheaper price if its more expensive you still pay 625 the tony should allow separate positioning of every key to allow the keyboard to be personally customized a thumb operated mouse will also be available the vertical contact jeffrey spencer or stephen albert 619 454 0000 p o box 2636 la jolla ca 92038 u s a supports no info available probably pcs available summer 1993 price 249 the vertical keyboard is split in two halves each pointing straight up the user can adjust the width of the device but not the tilt of each section side view mirrors are installed to allow users to see their fingers on the keys the mikey 301 933 1111 dr alan grant 3208 woodhollow drive chevy chase maryland 20815 u s a shipping as of july 1992 should be available in one year supports pc mac maybe price 200 estimated the keyboard is at a fixed angle and incorporates a built in mouse operated by the thumbs function keys are arranged in a circle at the keyboards left the wave was 213 310 644 6100 fax 310 644 6068 iocomm international technology 12700 yukon avenue hawthorne california 90250 u s a robin hunter contact in sales cost 99 95 15 for a set of cables supports pc only shipping now iocomm also manufactures ordinary 101 key keyboard pc at and 84 key keyboard pc xt so make sure you get the right one the one piece keyboard has a built in wrist rest it looks exactly like a normal 101 key pc keyboard with two inches of built in wrist rest the key switch feel is reported to be greatly improved the minimal motion computer access system 508 263 6437 508 263 6537 fax equal access computer technology dr michael weinreigh 39 oneida rd acton ma 01720 u s a price infogrip compatible a few hundred dollars a one handed bat for their own system 300 dos software a few hundred dollars shipping these are custom made so an occupational therapist would make moulds do whatever to make it for you you can buy one now supports pc only although the infogrip compatible version might work with a mac in a one handed version there is exactly one button per finger in a two handed version you get four buttons per finger and the thumbs dont do anything you can also get one handed versions with three thumb buttons compatible with the infogrip bat basically get it any way you want they also have a software tutorial to help you learn the chording works on a pc under dos not windows planning on macintosh and pc windows support no work has been done on a unix version yet half qwerty canada 416 749 3124 the matias corporation 178 thistledown boulevard rexdale ontario canada m9v 1k1 e mail ematias dgp toronto edu supports mac and pc but not windows demo for anonymous ftp explorer dgp toronto edu pub half qwerty price 129 95 higher in canada quantity discounts available shipping now this thing is purely software no hardware at all the software will mirror the keyboard when you hold down the space bar allowing you type one handed octima israel 972 4 5322844 fax 972 3 5322970 ergoplic keyboards ltd p o box 31 kiryat ono 55100 israel info from mandy jaffe katz rxhfun haifauvm bitnet a one handed keyboard microwriter agenda u k 44 276 692 084 fax 44 276 691 826 microwriter systems plc m s a house 2 albany court albany park frimley surrey gu15 2xa united kingdom info from carroll morgan carroll morgan prg oxford ac uk the agenda is a personal desktop assistant pda style machine you can carry it along with you it has chording input you can also hook it up to your pc or even program it it costs just under 200 pounds with 128k memory thanks go to chris bekins as ccb forsythe stanford edu for providing the basis for this information thanks to the numerous contributors doug martin martin nosc mil carroll morgan carroll morgan prg oxford ac uk mandy jaffe katz rxhfun haifauvm bitnet wes hunter wesley hunter atlantaga ncr com paul schwartz pschwrtz cs washington edu h j woltring woltring nici kun nl dan sorenson viking iastate edu chris vanharen vanharen mit edu ravi pandya ravi xanadu com leonard h tower jr tower ai mit edu dan jacobson dan jacobson att com jim cheetham jim oasis icl co uk cliff lasser cal think com richard donkin richardd hoskyns co uk paul rubin phr napa telebit com david erb erb fullfeed com bob scheifler rws expo lcs mit edu chris grant chris grant um cc umich edu scott mandell sem1 postoffice mail cornell edu and everybody else who ive probably managed to forget the opinions in here are my own unless otherwise mentioned and do not represent the opinions of any organization or vendor dan wallach one of the most attractive features of a connection dwallach cs berkeley edu machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces office 510 642 9585 of its cabinet cm paris ref manual v6 0 p48 religion re 666 mark of the beast need info on a slightly different note there are two buildings in ny state with big 666 numbers on the roof one in manhattan and one near garden city the garden city one is a nice black unmarked building join the pythagorean reform church repent of your evil irrational numbers and bean eating ways accept 10 into your heart call the pythagorean reform church bbs at 508 793 9568 medicine re ra treatment question eulenbrg carson u washington edu julia eulenberg writes im assuming that you mean rheumatoid arthritis ra ive never heard of the cold treatment you mentioned i cant imagine how it would work since most of us who have rh arthr ra seem to have more problems in cold weather than in warm weather would be interested to hear more z z no obviously talking about research assistants i favor a high protein low fat diet barely adequate salary on a fixed time schedule four hours of sleep a night continuous infusion of latte unpredictable praise mixed randomly with anxiety provoking everpresent glances with lowered eyebrows unrealistic promises of rapid publication and every three months a dinner consisting of nothing but microbrewery ale and free pretzels actually mine hails from san diego and indeed has more problems in seattle in cold weather than in warm doug fitts dfitts u washington edu medicine re centi and milli pedes in article 35004 castle ed ac uk gtclark festival ed ac uk g t clark writes msnyder nmt edu rebecca snyder writes does anyone know how posionous centipedes and millipedes are if someone was bitten how soon would medical treatment be needed and what would be liable to happen to the person just for clarification i have not been bitten by one of these but my house seems to be infested and i want to know just in case rebecca millipedes i understand are vegetarian and therefore almost certainly will not bite and are not poisonous centipedes are carnivorous and although i dont have any absolute knowledge on this i would tend to think that youre in no danger from anything but a concerted assault by several million of them g not sure of this but i think some millipedes cause a toxic reaction sting so i would not assume that they are not dangerous merely on the basis of vegetarianism after all wasps are vegetarian too dnc medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article 1993apr16 155919 28040 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes flights of fancy and other irrational approaches are common the crucial thing is not to sit around just having fantasies they arent of any use unless they make you do some experiments ive known a lot of scientists whose fantasies lead them on to creative work usually they wont admit out loud what the fantasy was prior to the consumption of a few beers simple example warren jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a dna electrophoresis gel of human alu fragments he got very excited hoping that hed seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic genes this fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out binding assays the result was a well conserved 400 or so bp sequence but why do you characterize this as a flight of fancy or a fantasy while i am unfamiliar with the scientific context here it appears obvious that his speculation for lack of a better or more neutral word was at least in significant part a consequence of his knowledge of and acceptance of current theory coupled with his observations it would appear that something quite rational was going on as he attempted to fit his observation into that theory or to tailor the theory to cover the observation this does not seem like an example of what most would normally call a flight of fancy or a fantasy it is not clear to me what you mean by rational vs irrational perhaps you can give a few examples of surprising experiments that were tried out for perfectly rational reasons or interesting new theories that were first advanced from logical grounds the main examples i can think of are from modern high energy physics which is not typical of science as a whole well i think someone else in this thread was the first to use the word also extra scientific etc nor am i prepared to give a general account of rationality in terms of examples there is some danger of beginning to quibble over what a surprising experiment is what counts as surprising etc the same may be said about logical grounds my point is that quite frequently perhaps even most frequently the roots of a new theory can be traced to previously existing theories or even to previously rejected hypotheses of some other theory or domain i would offer some rather well known examples such as toricellis puy de dome experiment done for the sake of his sea of air hypothesis was this theory and the resulting experimental test surprising well given the prior explanations of the phenomena involved it certainly must be counted as so was the theory constructed and the experiment designed out of perfectly rational grounds well there was a pretty successful and well know theory of fluids the analogy to fluids by toricelli is explicit the novelty was in thinking of air as a fluid but this was quite a novelty at the time was the theory interesting yes was it new well one could argue that it was merely the extension of an existing theory to a new domain but i think this begs certain questions we can debate that if you like gary h merrill principal systems developer c compiler development sas institute inc sas campus dr cary nc 27513 919 677 8000 sasghm theseus unx sas com mcnc sas sasghm guns re insane gun toting wackos unite in article 1576 heimdall sdrc com crrob sony1 sdrc com rob davis writes do you know how many deaths each year are caused by self inflicted gun shot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters no but i have several other breakdowns of accidental shootings ive never seen one that specifically provides the info that davis insists that he has so id love to have a cite if you fall for example and land on the handgun or cause a sudden blow the gun will discharge wrong theres one gun design where that can happen and it is supposed to be carried with the hammer over an unloaded chamber cocking the gun turns the cylinder so that a loaded cylinder is under the hammer in other words it can be usefully carried in a safe manner other handgun designs dont have that property if their trigger isnt pulled the hammer cant hit the firing pin the number of people killed in this manner far outweighs the number of deaths caused by animal attacks or wacko attacks combined the breakdowns that i do have include the above category from them i can safely say that if davis is right in all of his claims a large negative number of people are killed by animals because we know that the number of killings by wackos is reasonably large and that the number of accidents due to gun failures which is a superset of the described circumstance is near zero i can find the figures if you dont believe me please do include a cite for those of us who like looking at context make sure that your source excludes other types of accidents and suicides that are misreported gun cleaning accident is police speak for the family needs the insurance money andy baseball re royals final run total k mitchell bose kbos carina unm edu wrote the toronto blue jays scored 329 oh fine well ignore that one coming from 1981 and all thatll teach me not to qualify my statements in 1978 the oakland as scored a thundering 532 runs bleah ok something to shoot for the royals will score 531 runs or less this season although they just decided to get mcrae out of the leadoff spot of course valentine will throw this one back in my face when the royals even manage to outscore another al team sean sean sweda sweda css itd umich edu css itd consultant p gammons idiotic quote of the week gm manager motor city marauders theres no better home run park in internet baseball league baseball than tiger stadium 4 17 windows off line mail for netnews are there any off line mail readers for the net news in qwk format it would be really helpfull to be able to download the net news from a vax or mainframe and read it off line adam hodge arhodge miavx1 acs muohio edu guns re 2nd amendment dead good date 18 apr 93 00 13 19 0500 from jrm gnv ifas ufl edu yea there are millions of cases where yoy say that firearms deter criminals alas this is not provable in my case i am alive thanks to a gun that is provable even in your twisted logic i think that that there are actually few cases where this is so no wrong again brain trust the bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary opponents huh what planet are you from the 2nd amendment is dead accept this find another way wrong not as long as freedom remains ps get a dictionary faustus gun of the month club hmmm glock 10mm this month sig 226 next cars re auto air conditioning without freon it is actually simple in principle porous adsorbents like zeolite and activated carbon can adsorb gases evaporated from the adsorbate water or methanol etc giving the cooling effect upon being heated the gas saturated adsorbent bed will give off the gases which are then to be condensed this forms the adsorption refrigeration cycle the only problem is that the cop is very low 0 2 0 6 max max g q lu phd internet mgqlu ntu ac sg division of thermal enginerring bitnet mgqlu ntuvax bitnet school of mpe nanyang technological university phone 65 7994818 nanyang avenue singapore 2263 fax 65 7911859 medicine re drop your drawers and the doctor will see you this is not an unusual practice if the doctor is also a member of a nudist colony sir i admit your genral rule that every poet is a fool but you yourself may serve to show it that every fool is not a poet a pope medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in rec food cooking packer delphi gsfc nasa gov charles packer writes is there such a thing as msg monosodium glutamate sensitivity i saw in the ny times sunday that scientists have testified before an fda advisory panel that complaints about msg sensitivity are superstition anybody here have experience to the contrary i know that there is msg sensitivity when i eat foods with msg i get very thirsty and my hands swell and get a terrible itchy rash i first experienced this problem when i worked close to chinatown and ate chinese food almost everyday for lunch now i cant tolerate msg at all i can notice immediately when i have eaten any i try to avoid msg completely interesting fact though is that all three of my children started experiencing the exact same rash on their hands i couldnt understand why because i dont msg in cooking and we ask for no msg when we do eat chinese i still love it after some investigation i knew that oodles of noodles where one of their favorite foods one of the main ingredients in the flavor packets is msg now i look at all labels you would be surprised at places you find msg betty harvey harvey oasys dt navy mil david taylor model basin adp networking and communication assessment carderock division branch naval surface warfare code 1221 center bethesda md 20084 5000 dtmb cd nswc 301 227 3379 fax 301 227 3343 guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article c5vgme goa usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf writes in article c5v9fv krt news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes in article c5uhuo awq usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf writes in article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu nathan engle writes yeah as information trickles in funny how that works funny yeah funny how you didnt wait for the fbi spokesdroid latest reversal of facts before proclaiming the bds burned themselves to death if you wont believe anything the government says and the press is not reliable according to the same logic then what do you base your statements on wild speculation laced with a healthy dose of paranoia are you a moron or just illiterate the facts that the fbi neither proclaimed on monday suddenly werent facts anymore by the tuesday press conference you dont have to pay attention to any one source neither do you have to abandon your critical thinking but to disregard all sources of information as lies and distortions and substitute your own pet theories is more likely to get you wild untruths than by basing your theories on the facts as they are reported by the media and the government there has beed no evidence of anyone setting the fire deliberately you simpleton so actually there was evidence of the fire being set deliberately both testamony by the survivors and ir tape showing the fire being set in 3 places and the petrochemical soot that the fire was giving off indications of kerosine or gasoline feeding the fire you might not believe 1 or 2 if you are totally paranoid or very skeptical but my 3rd point is visible to anyone who watches the tapes of the fire and has started a bbq grill what are you basing your statements on oh i forgot youre the guy that doesnt know microwave oven need electricity never mind ho ho ho i listen to npr watch cnn nbc i also read the papers where do you get yours personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were guns re waco clinton press conference part 1 in article 1993apr21 021301 25113 r node hub org ndallen r node hub org nigel allen writes here is a press release from the white house number one that there was a limit to how long the federal authorities could maintain with their limited resources the quality and intensity of coverage by experts there lucky they brought the situation to a prompt resolution before they had to turn things over to the amateurs they might be needed in other parts of the country god help us all cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet guns re militia incredibly long in article c5n0vy ej6 ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge writes in article 1qna9m nq8 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article c5l0n2 5ll ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge writes but do you knew how much organization is required to training a large group of poeple twice a year just to try to get the same people every year provide a basic training to new people so they can be integrated into the force and find a suitable location it requires a continually standing committee of organizers again my response is so what is mr rutledge arguing that since the local and federal governments have abandoned their charter to support such activity and passed laws prohibiting private organizations from doing so that they have eliminated the basis for the rkba on the contrary to anyone who understands the game they have strengthened it no i originally argued that the second amendment was a little bit and an anachronism these prohibiting laws are examples why the are an anachronism after all laws in made by representatives of the people these representatives of the people have already decided that the second amendment does not apply or is too broad in some cases since these representatives feel an unconditional interpretation is not wanted then it is probable that they majority of the people feel the same way if this is so it is an example of the people using their power of government if this is not how the people feel the people should stand up and state their wishes wrong neglecting that the government and media have bullshitted the people almost nonstop on this issue constitutional limitations are there to prevent a tyrrany of the majority for example a majority could vote that given ethnics have no rights are not people etc and it would fly using the logic above when government feels the constitution is not right for the times there is a procedure called an amendment to the constitution this is deliberately difficult and cumbersome to prevent abuse of those who decide to ignore the people or impose unjust policies of a majority on a minority a lynch mob is a majority remember outvoting the hangee what the government is doing are violations end runs around the limitations on the government probably because they know that the people would be very hard to convince that a good intention is behind tampering with the bill of rights government propeganda on guns has been very strong and persistant but not that strong and it just shows how gullible the people have become to i am from the government and am here to help you sort of line we have been lied to fed half truths rigged stats while the government knows their control laws have no effect on crime they want a government monopoly on force pure and simple do you really want the government to be able to override constitutional limitations by a simple vote of a bunch of elitists congresscritters i sure dont the founding fathers sure as hell didnt either mox nix mr rutledge you are the only one here claiming that the rkba is dependent on the existence of a top flight well regulated militia why this is a false assumption has already been posted a number of times no i simple stated that the people have a right to join a well organized militia and i have also stated that a militia that meets once or twice a year is clearly well organized and this state of readiness that i have claimed the people have a right to is the same state of readiness expected of the militia as stated by hamilton you better read the senate subcommitte on the constitution regarding the second amendment and a linguists analisys of the second itself in the meanwhile show us some stuff to back up your assertions and yes i have the above mentioned documents and more online pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 pat myrto seattle wa if all else fails try uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former albert einstien religion re christian meta ethics in lsjc8cinnmc1 saltillo cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes in article c554f5 3gf panix com mls panix com michael siemon writes the issue then is this christian a says behavior such and such is sinful what is christian b supposed to do with such a statement one possibility always exists a may be able to persuade b that the behavior in question does exhibit a failure in loving god or neighbor michael modern liberal that he is reads a fairly benign meaning into this word he then constructs his religious beliefs around this understanding reading other scripture in the context of these commandments with love benignly understood i regard love as no more or less benign than any other christian does you are merely expressing approval of the consequences i find therein which says more about our politics and cultural trappings than about my or any religion love is a highly ambiguous word of which christians can write both the gentle words paul uses of it in 1 corinthians in a passage that even the conservatives will quote at you and the words of t s eliot in his pentacost hymn love is the unfamiliar name that wove the intolerable shirt of flame this is in any case rather to the side of what i was attempting to raise in my note as will become more evident below as a non believer i find michaels christianity kinder and gentler blechhh i think you are misreading me rather seriously though given my principle that one cannot force ones own notion of sin on another and my unshakeable disestablishmentarianism russel turpin and others believers and unbelievers alike are under no threat of my legislating my own understanding of christian love if i take him at his word he cannot condemn the inquisitors because they were also following these commandments as they understood them if you misread i can do and have repeatedly done a complete bill of accusation against the inquisition by exhibiting in as thorough a form as anyone might want a demonstration of the harm it has done to human beings in the first place and to respect for let alone love of god in near succession please go back to my quoted words above the possibility that always exists is that i or to revert to proper time sequence my predecessors over the last several centuries could persuade christian b of my case that the inquisition does indeed constitute an egregious violation of the law of love i must also note that the majority of christians have been so persuaded by christian argumentation as well as by secular both christian and non christian prohibitions what mr turpin alludes to is a trickier point a i demonstrate the human pain and violation of love involved in the inquisition b the inquisitor responds that mother church must however painful this seems discipline her children for their own good in this case the salvation of their souls or if the tortured heretic will not recant than by bad example deterring others from the same loss of soul a i point out that this justification of a failure in love depends on a highly speculative construal of texts and of philosophical assertions that are quite undemonstrable b burns me at the stake my rhetoric has failed but the point i am making is sustained what is going on here has a lot to do with cultural baggage in this case the baggage includes a nearly universal and absolutely secular belief that an accused person must prove innocence and that testimony is most believable if taken under torture the elimination of inqisitorial practice in those places where it has been eliminated or at least greatly reduced has very little if anything to do with the discussion of sin in the exchange between a and b mr turpin is pointing out that if i am a versus the grand inquisitors b then my persuasion is not very likely to work i know this and in what ever personal agony i consign the issue to god and my ghostly defense attorney so one possibility fails in this case as it will fail in may others at the other extreme the persuasion will succeed when it properly should not if it entails mistaken assumptions i share with the inquisitor and that is potentially an even more troubling case in that many of the victims of inquisition will have accepted that they were in fact sinful in such random cases as they may actually have been guilty of charges brought against them the point is that the persuasion breaks down when the parties do not share enough to agree on all the cultural baggage and given the main thrust of the inquisition against heresy it is bound to break down in precisely the worst cases the conservative i dont think that is the right word btw will take refuge in what i attribute to b above that he is justified in causing harm because he thinks that works to a greater good but this is a violent and extravagant refusal to follow the gospel as if ones theories about sin entitled one to cast aside jesus words on dealing with sinners cf matthew 5 39ff i am a radical christian only in that i take the gospel seriously or for that matter what does it mean to love ones fellow man and what is the right thing and how does one go about loving god well the whole point of making these the base commandments is that they arent reducible to rules a set of rules is a moral code or a law code or an algorithm for acting such things can be very helpful to individuals or societies but not if they are used instead of a personal involvement in and responsibility for ones actions the great commandment is more than anything else a call to act as if you were god and accepting ultimate responsibility in your every action a demand that i like most would rather not hear but it keeps popping up nonetheless along with the reassurance that it is more important that i be open to trying this than succeeding at it conservatives may twist this act as if you were god to mean lay down rules for other people and be as nasty to them as possible if they dont keep your rules they are so insistent and obvious about this that they have convinced a lot of people who rightly reject the whole concept that such idiocy is how god acts that after all is the standard accusation against god by the atheists here and elsewhere that the conservatives have confused their manipulative hoop jumping notions of coercing other people with the nature of god is almost the entire content of standard american atheism and i quite agree with it on this point ethical systems are not differentiated by the nice sounding goo up front much of which sounds pretty much the same but by the specific acts procedures and arguments that they recommend and different bodies of christians have from the beginning urged different ethical systems or in some cases none as a result it is bizarre to identify any one of these systems however popular or infamous with christianity christianity does not have a torah it does not have a quran specifically christian scripture has very little if anything in the way of commandments so little that the christians who desperately want commandments go mining for them with almost no support and thus almost no obvious limitation for their efforts the one single thing in the gospels which jesus specifically gives as a commandment to us is love one another i will be expanding on this point in a reply to paul hudson that i hope to get to in a day or so it is quite true that some christians infer lots of commandments from the nt ill point out what has to be going on in these inferences and why there is a huge amount of cultural baggage involved you are quite right that this is goo if one is looking for an ethical system but why should anyone be looking for an ethical system since our society is eager to hand us one or more no matter what we do it may be that we need a principle for the critique of ethical systems in which case i will profer the agapate allelou once again i am glad that a few christians such as michael find a benign meaning for the goo and then interpret the usually ugly specifics in a more constructive fashion on the other hand i do think that this tells us more about michael and christians like him that it tells us about christianity i think you are begging the question why dont i and the myriads of other christians like me tell you something about christianity nor is this very new in christianity you might want to look up the origins and fundamental doctrines of the quakers from the 17th century onwards and they are not at all the first to understand the gospel in a manner that is congenial to my case michael l siemon i say you are gods sons of the mls panix com most high all of you nevertheless or you shall die like men and fall mls ulysses att com like any prince psalm 82 6 7 cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico radar radio association defending airwave rights says that geico insurance not only buys radar for police but also actively lobbies states to promote making radar detectors illegal i think the buying part is a misuse of money but the radar detector part shows how little they know about the issue no study i am aware of has ever concluded that detectors have a negative impact on safety or that users have a higher average speed incompetence by geico i think so troy wecker troy sequent com sequent computer systems beaverton or in article 1993apr21 171811 25933 julian uwo ca wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca wayne smith writes in article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu david g wonnacott writes im considering switching to geico insurance but have heard that they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim i was worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim i have also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident ive read in this group that geico has funded the purchasing of radar guns by police depts im not sure where guns re the usual kendall lds loral com colin kendall 6842 writes i just heard some anti gun control people giving the usual arguments its everyones right to bear arms and the way to solve the problem of people getting killed by guns is better law enforcement it strikes me that this argument could be logically extended as follows a nuclear weapon is an arm hence anyone has a right to have nuclear weapons and if someone uses his nuclear weapons to blow up new york l a and chicago thats okay as long as we have a good police force capable of finding him and putting him in jail which will serve as a deterrent to others do any anti gun control people disagree with this and if so why yes i am pro gun and yes i do disagree with this statement nuclear weapons in and of themselves are dangerous radioactive decay of plutonium and uranium as well as the tritium in the weapon tends to be somewhat dangerous to living things can you say neutron flux plus these things have no self defense purposes its kinda hard to justify their use as a militia weapon when at best they are meant for battlefield use low yield weapons or at worst for industrial target obliteration translation cities and population centers not to mention that for it to be used as a militia weapon and expect the user to live requires some sort of launch vehicle aaron arc cco caltech edu religion re spreading christianity re christian extremist kills doctor david r sacco dsav andrew cmu edu writes not to be too snide about it but i think this christianity must be a very convenient religion very maliable and suitable for any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and reinterpret the bits that dont match with ones desires it is in fact so convenient that were i capable of believing in a god i might consider going for some brand of christianity the only difficulty left then of course is picking which sect to join there are just so many dean kaflowitz yes christianity is convenient following the teachings of jesus christ and the ten commandments is convenient trying to love in a hateful world is convenient turning the other cheek is convenient so convenient that it is burdensome at times dave some christians take a 10 discount off the ten commandments sunday cannot be substituted for the sabbath baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr19 024222 11181 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes in article 1993apr18 032345 5178 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article 1993apr18 030412 1210 mnemosyne cs du edu gspira nyx cs du edu greg spira writes howard wong mindlink bc ca howard wong writes has jack lost a bit of his edge what is the worst start jack morris has had uh jack lost his edge about 5 years ago and has had only one above average year in the last 5 again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky you can count on good tomorrow lucky seems to be prone to bad starts and a bad finish last year yes i am enjoying every last run he gives up who was it who said morris was a better signing than viola hey valentine i dont see boston with any world series rings on their fingers oooooo cheap shot damn morris now has three and probably the hall of fame in his future who cares he had two of them before he came to toronto and if the jays had signed viola instead of morris it would have been frank who won 20 and got the ring and he would be on his way to 20 this year too therefore i would have to say toronto easily made the best signing your logic is curious and spurious there is no reason to believe that viola wouldnt have won as many games had he signed with toronto when you compare their stupid w l records be sure to compare their teams offensive averages too now looking at anything like the morris viola sweepstakes a year later is basically hindsight but there were plenty of reasons why it should have been apparent that viola was the better pitcher based on previous recent years and also based on age frank is almost 5 years younger how many knew that people got caught up in the 91 world series and then on morris 21 wins last year wins are the stupidest most misleading statistic in baseball far worse than rbi or r that he won 21 just means that the jays got him a lot of runs the only really valid retort to valentine is werent the red sox trying to get morris too oh sure they said viola was their first choice afterwards but what should we have expected they would say and dont tell me boston will win this year they wont even be in the top 4 in the division more like 6th if this is true it wont be for lack of contribution by viola so who cares charles medicine re barbecued foods and health risk in article 79738 cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes this reminds me of the last graham kerr cooking show i saw today he smoked meat on the stovetop in a big pot he used a strange technique id never seen before he took a big pot with lid and placed a tray in it made from aluminum foil the tray was about the size and shape of a typical coffee table ash tray made by crumpling a sheet of foil around the edges in the tray he placed a couple spoonfuls of brown sugar a similar quantity of brown rice he said any rice will do the contents of two teabags of earl grey tea and a few cloves on top of this was placed an ordinary aluminum basket type steamer with two chicken breasts in it the lid was put on and the whole assembly went on the stovetop at high heat for 10 or 12 minutes later he removed what looked like smoked chicken breasts what surprises and concerns me are 1 no wood chips where does the smoke flavor come from 2 about 5 or 10 years ago i remember hearing that carmel color obtained by caramelizing sugar a common coloring and flavoring agent had been found to be carcinogenic i believe they injected it under the skin of rats or something if the results were conclusive caramel color would not be legal in the u s yet it is still being used was the initial research result found to be incorrect or what 3 about 5 or 10 years ago i remember earl grey tea being implicated as carcinogenic because it contains oil of bergamot an extract from the skin of a type of citrus fruit does anyone know whatever happened with that story if it were carcinogenic earl grey tea could not have it as an additive yet it apparently continues to do so wrt natural wood smoke ive smoking a duck right now as it happens ive noticed that a heavily smoked food item will have an unpleasant tangy taste when eaten directly out of the smoker if the smoke has only recently stopped flowing i find the best taste to be had by using dry wood chips getting lots of smoke right up at the beginning of the cooking process then slowly barbequing for hours and hours without adding additional wood chips my theory is that the unpleasant tangy molecules are low molecular weight stuff like terpenes and that the smoky flavor molecules are some sort of larger molecule more similar to tar the long barbeque time after the initial intensive smoke drives off the low molecular weight stuff just leaving the flavor behind does anyone know if my theory is correct i also remember hearing that the combustion products of fat dripping on the charcoal and burning are carcinogenic for that reason and because it covers the product with soot and some unpleasant tanginess i only grill non drippy meats like prawns directly over hot coals i do stuff like this duck by indirect heat i have a long rectangular weber and i put the coals at one end and the meat at the other end the fat drops directly on the floor below the meat and next time i use the barbeque i make the fire in that end to burn off the fat and help ignite the coals and yet another reason ive heard not to smoke or barbeque meat is that smoked cured meat like pork sausage and bacon contains nitrosamines which are carcinogenic im pretty sure this claim actually has some standing dont know about the others an amusing incident i recall was the duncan hines scandal when it was discovered that the people who make duncan hines cake mix were putting a lot of ethylene dibromide edb into the cake mix to suppress weevils this is a fumigant which is known to be carcinogenic the guy who represented the company in the press conference defended himself by saying that the risk from eating duncan hines products every day for a year would be equal to the cancer risk from eating two charcoal broiled steaks what a great analogy when i first heard that my immediate reaction was we should make that a standard unit one charcoal broiled steak would be equivalent to 0 5 duncans i dont understand the assumption that because something is found to be carcinogenic that it would not be legal in the u s i think that naturally occuring substances excluding controlled substances are pretty much unregulated in terms of their use as food food additives or other consumption its only when the chemists concoct sp an ingredient that it falls under fda regulations otherwise if they really looked closely they would find a reason to ban almost everything how in the world do you suppose its legal to consume tobacco products which probably should be banned dave allen space science engr ctr uw madison baseball re phills vs pirates i hate to be the burden of bad news but i think i will this time the phillies usually play at either 7 05 p m or 7 35 p m eastern time for weekdays on sundays the time is usually 1 35 p m eastern time boise is in idaho idaho is in part of the mountain time zone and in part of the pacific time zone the times that were given were for mountain time zone starts please check a map in case i am wrong but i am certain that boise is in the mountain time zone thanks for listening the shep cars re im getting a car i need opinions in article 1qqp2o 5ba usenet ins cwru edu cf947 cleveland freenet edu chun h ung wan writes in a previous article ip02 ns1 cc lehigh edu danny phornprapha says i have 30 000 as my budget im looking for a sports or gt car what do you think would be the best buy im looking for specific models thanks danny hey you programmers out there danny phornprapha please consider this ip02 lehigh edu bugs are another endangered earth lucc student konsultant species needing your protection work 215 758 4141 for an all out sports car id go for the rx 7 without the sports suspension which is too stiff for a little more practicality and more comfort the nissan 300zx turbo is a good buy and for a good dose of luxury the lexus sc300 is perfect with a manual transmission of course however the toyota supra is coming out soon and if you like its looks the performance is supposed to be great almost race car like i dont particulary like the mitsubishi 3000gts or the dodge stealths as they are too heavy and arent very nimble handlers for a sports car a motion picture major at the brooks institute of photography ca santa barbara and a foreign student from kuala lumpur malaysia the mind is the forerunner of all states the only thing about the 300zx turbo and new supra is theyre about 10k or more over his budget be good and you will be lonely mark twain guns randy weaver trail day 3 this was posted to the firearms politics mailing list hi folks thursday april 15 marked day 3 of the trial this day marked the first testimony of the trial deputy u s marshal larry cooper took the stand for the prosecution the short version is that his testimony was consistent with the opening statements for the prosecution cooper testified that he had arrived in spokane washington on august 17 1992 to participate in a surveillance operation with five other deputies near the weaver cabin the team was using night vision equipment for surveillance and split up into two teams of three people the six later met at an observation point above the cabin after this deputies cooper william degan and arthur roderick began a descent to scout further possible surveillance sites cooper told the court that roderick threw two large rocks into a gully to see whether the weaver family dogs would respond striker the weavers yellow lab started toward them barking loudly roderick led the three in a run from the area they ran through some dense woods into an open area called the fern field with the dog in pursuit by this time kevin harris and samuel weaver had joined the chase the surveillance team had reached a y in the road cooper decided that they should take cover in the woods because otherwise they would be an easy target and might be shot in the back as degan reached the y he spotted randy weaver coming down the road from the cabin ahead weaver was startled but did not fire at this moment striker reached degan and cooper had to fend him off with his gun it is unclear whether this means he clubbed the dog or shot the dog both cooper and degan then took cover in the woods according to cooper kevin harris and samuel weaver continued walking down the road apparently not noticing the two after they had passed by on the road degan got up on one knee raised his gun and shouted stop u s marshal harris then brought the weapon around at hip level and fired he didnt bring the weapon up to eye level i saw bills arm going back and i knew he had been hit cooper fired at harris and harris went down cooper then brought his weapon to bear on samuel but did not fire at this point cooper then heard two shots to his right samuel weaver looked in the direction of the shots yelled you son of a bitch and ran toward them cooper then realized that shots were coming at him from directly ahead so he fired a three round burst at the cabin at this point he then saw samuel weaver running toward the cabin when cooper reached degan he placed his first two fingers on degan carotid artery counted two or three beats and then his heart stopped shortly thereafter roderick and the other three marshals joined him they then all heard a large burst of gunfire from the area around the cabin on cross examination david nevin questioned the point of throwing rocks into the gulley asking you wanted to lure that dog out so you could shoot that dog didnt you nevin also pointed out that in last septembers testimony cooper had claimed that he spotted weaver after the dog had left him cooper claimed that he had gone over the events in his head and decided that thursdays account was correct nevin continued the cross examination by asking what cooper would have done had an armed man dressed in full camouflage jumped out of the woods at him no answer was available friday april 16 marks continued cross examination of cooper notes there was no coverage of protestors drew ron phillips crphilli hound dazixca ingr com senior customer engineer intergraph electronics 381 east evelyn avenue voice 415 691 6473 mountain view ca 94041 fax 415 691 0350 windows re challenge to microsoft supporters rsrodger wam umd edu yamanari writes id say that the massive crash problems are exceedingly rare windows itself almost never crashes but it can be crashed by an errant application my personal favorite any one of the corel 3 0 programs on the other hand i have had os 2 crash randomly a number of times mostly just running its own applications i do know that ibm systems the ps 2 56slc2 in particular have absolutely no problem with os 2 never had a random crash while running any of my programs under os 2 in fact i dont remember ever crashing of course i really dont run any os 2 programs just the same bunch of dos and windows stuff that ive always been running and when i had the 56slc this is the 386slc system running dos windows i had only one crash and it was consistent ftp had a tendency to crash whenever i would get large files 1mb from particularly fast clients dtrs 150k 200k sec i figured out the problem was with smartdrvs write buffering if i turned off the write buffer everything would work fine ftp under os 2 has never locked though i can even format floppies to use the most often cited example of the superiority of os 2 for instance im still wondering why print preview in a windowed wp 5 1 dos locks up my system yeah i guess im willing to admit that os 2 is somewhat sensitive to specific hardware wp51 for dos works perfectly fine on my slc2 please explain the only time i wait on anything under windows is when im copying or formatting a floppy or when printing and even then not long i get 9 to 11 pages dumped to the printman per minute and can still go do things slowly while its doing this ive downloaded with pp 9600 while printing well i save all my personal files to floppy and when i did that under windows a floppy save of a large file hung up the system i also found it quite bothersome to have to continually tweak the tasking options on fractint for dos whenever i wanted to do a fractal computation in the background and not being able to address your memory better than dos not sure what you mean here the idea is that os 2s dos sessions can see more memory than windows dos sessions i let xpl a shareware calculus program see around 720kb of free conventional memory which lets me do bigger symbolic manipulations than is possible under straight dos where it would see around 610kb of conventional ram i also found it really handy for my own dos based programs which without any re writing could now handle larger data sets simulate for more iterations etc of course the point is now moot since the os 2 programs i now write simply never run into memory limitations i never programmed for windows so i dont have much of a comparison here though medicine thrush was good grief was re candida albicans what is it in article aldridgec5th63 7ya netcom com aldridge netcom com jacquelin aldri writes dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes etc dyer youre rude medicine is not a totallly scientific endevour its often practiced in a disorganized manner most early treatment of non life threatening illness is done on a guess hazarded after anecdotal evidence given by the patient its an educated guess by a trained person but its still no more than a guess its cheaper and simpler to medicate first and only deal further with those people who dont respond dyer is beyond rude there have been and always will be people who are blinded by their own knowledge and unopen to anything that isnt already established given what the medical community doesnt know im surprised that he has this outlook for the record i have had several outbreaks of thrush during the several past few years with no indication of immunosuppression or nutritional deficiencies i had not taken any antobiotics my dentist who sees a fair amount of thrush recommended acidophilous after i began taking acidophilous on a daily basis the outbreaks ceased when i quit taking the acidophilous the outbreaks periodically resumed i resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then mike mccurdy university computing services disclaimer san diego state university mccurdy ucsvax sdsu edu everything i say may be wrong baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1qkkodinn5f5 jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo a iglesias writes in article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we werent able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help thanks bobby hank greenberg would have to be the most famous because his jewish faith actually affected his play missing late season or was it world series games because of yom kippur i thought that was sandy koufax sam pablo iglesias pi ruth ece jhu edu baseball re mcrae is re torre the worst manager scott mccall com scott d davis writes kc news was doing a report on that they said that mcrae is really a batting coach and not a manager but for some reason he took the job whatever the reason the royals need a new manager now while it is too late and have jesse jackson picket the stadium tim evans e i du pont de nemours co tkevans eplrx7 es dupont com experimental station 302 695 9353 7395 p o box 80357 evanstk at a1 at esvax wilmington delaware 19880 0357 windows ctrl alt del locks the computer fafter windows whenever i exit windows i cant use control alt del to reboot my computer because the system hangs when i do this i can still reboot using the reset key but i would like to know why this happens eric ebosco us oracle com baseball re new uniforms in 1993apr5 224631 636 virginia edu tek2q virginia edu todd karlin writes usually one or two teams changes their logo or a minor uniform change per season but the past few seasons have been incredible any thoughts on the new old reds uniforms i remember seeing a pete rose rookie card and unless i miss my guess he was wearing the exact same duds the mets how about docs performance today have reinserted the mets patch on the shoulder and changed the mets insgnia on the front of the jersey to my knowledge it is the first time that has been changed since 1962 and it reminds me a little of the dodger logo as far as i know toronto pittsburgh and new york nl change their uniforms every year every other year e g new york it will say mets in cursive new york in cursive or new york in all caps minor changes but they do change them often last year i think they had new york in all caps did toronto have blue jays or toronto last year what about pittsburgh many teams have opted for a return to a previous style of uniform or at least uniforms that look more traditional phillies reds expos white sox padres etc and the once bright colors have been altered to gray the trend has also seen the newer baseball fields resembling the parks of the early years as opposed to the cookie cutter saucer stadiums construcrted throughout the sixties i hate the gray they should opt for more color like the white sox i hate white team versus gray team spring training uniforms look much better with salaries now reaching unbelievable highs no one in the comissioners office and inter league play on the horizon its nice to see that baseball at least looks like it was meant to be medicine bates method for myopia does the bates method work i first heard about it in this newsgroup several years ago and i have just got hold of a book how to improve your sight simple daily drills in relaxation by margaret d corbett authorized instructor of the bates method published in 1953 it talks about vision improvement by relaxation and exercise has there been any study on whether this method actually works if it works is it by actually shortening the previously elongated eyeball or by increasing the lenss ability to flatten itself in order to compensate for the too long eyeball since myopia is the result of eyeball elongation seems to me the most logical approach for correction is to find a way to reverse the process i e shorten it somehow preferably non surgically has there been any recent studies on this where can i find them i know rk works by changing the curvature of the cornea to compensate for the shape of eyeball but if there is a way to train the muscles to shorten the eyeball back to its correct length that would be even better batess idea right thanks for any information medicine panic disorder more success stories i posted this to sci psychology on april 3 and after seeing your post here on panice disorder thought it would be relevant my research indicates that two schools of thought exist the literature promoting medication says its the superior treatment not surprisingly literature promoting cognitive therapy also claims to be superior what are the facts early in my research i didnt have a bias towards either medication or cognitive therapy i was interested in a treatment that worked after reading journals published after 1986 the cognitive therapy camp claims a higher success rate approx 80 a lower drop out rate and no side effects associated with medication lars goran ost published an excellent article titled applied relaxation description of a coping technique and a review of controlled studies this is from behav res ther vol 25 no 5 pp 397 409 1987 the article provides instructions on how to perform applied relaxation ar briefly you start with two 15 minute sessions daily and progress in 8 12 weeks to performing 10 15 thirty second sessions daily ill snail mail this article to anyone interested usa only please international please pay for postage mark vonwaadn kuhub cc ukans edu guns waco cross posted to talk politics guns from can politics mark g salyzyn mark ve6mgs ampr org wrote cmk world std com charles m kozierok writes been to waco texas lately yes the government takes care of us all doesnt it as long as you belong to a government sanctioned religion excuse me but didnt these gun ladden cult members threaten shoot and kill some people they threatened no one their neighbours thought they were a little strange but all in all the kind of people you would want to live next door to one version has the batf serving a search warrant by jumping out of a horse trailer with guns and tossing concussion grenades if this is the true order of events then the cult could not know that a search warrant was being served and since there was no proof that these guys were police the cult had every right to defend themselves torching themselves shows briliant tactics and convinces me they realy belong in society if you watch actual footage of the fire from start to finish it is not at all clear that fire wasnt started by the tanks the people who survived are claiming that the fire was started by the tanks knocking over some kerosene lanterns the fbi is claiming that the cult started the fire they realy belong in society is a catchy phrase but im personally waiting to see what the texas rangers have to say about it all before i pass judgment why dont you do the same some more interesting facts about the waco incident 1 the original assault was conducted by batf officers wearing an assorted types of camouflage i saw on cnn at least three different types i would be hard pressed to identify a bunch of guys in bring your own battle fatigues as uniformed officers of the law even if they were claiming to be police 2 the batf has been lying from the beginning we only had handguns the original footage showed 4 batf officers on a roof top getting shot at one had an mp 5 assault sub machine gun we were out gunned sub machine guns and shotguns are the best in quarters weapon you cant be out gunned when you have the best guns available for the job we didnt know they had guns that would shoot through doors this one is the best there are very few guns that wont shoot through a household door or through a house wall for that matter since officers from the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms should know that they are either lying or incredibly incompetent not to mention criminally negligent if they are shooting bullets that they think will stop when the encounter plywood we had a search warrant actually we had an arrest warrant no wait we had both yeah thats the ticket oh and theyre child molesters too and they make drugs did we mention we think they have rocket launchers the story from batf and fbi spokespeople has changed daily and their claims were getting increasingly outrageous 3 throughout the siege the fbi and batf have be claiming that one of their biggest concerns was that koresh and his followers would mass suicide now they are claiming that thats what he did and that they are surprised that he did huh all in all i think that anything the fbi and batf say should be taken with a grain or two of salt rob robert a osborne uunet ca isgtec robert or robert isgtec com guns re another nytimes yellow sheet editorial 4 4 93 feustel netcom com david feustel writes other uninformed purposefully ignorant gun control ranting deleted thanks to the n r a the a t f is prohibited from researching the effectiveness of using taggants in explosives taggants are a cheap and technologically feasible microscopic additive that would help investigators at crime scenes like the world trade center bombing trace the explosives involved i want this man to tell me how in the hell you can take the explosives used in the wtc bombing considering that the consensus seems to be that the explosive was a fertilizer based one ammonium nitrate to be exact of which about 90 000 tons disappears per year if i recall the stat correctly i dont have it here just one more disregarding of reality to push a point more bunk deleted aaron arc cco caltech edu baseball re lets talk phillies in article 93108 164642rvesterm vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes in article 1993apr17 020347 9554 mgweed mgwhiz att com prg mgweed mgwhiz att com phil gunsul says ps hey kids take all those pictures of dead presidents out of your parents wallets and mail them to bob vesterman and send him a shift key too dave demers demers cs ucsd edu computer science engineering 0114 demers cs ucsd bitnet uc san diego ucsd cs demers la jolla ca 92093 0114 619 534 0688 or 8187 fax 619 534 7029 windows re is there a version of unixs vi editor for windoews 3 1 pete holsberg pjh mccc edu wrote subject line says it all i looked and looked but came up empty handed are you a pervert you are pervert ok vi is not cua but it has a powerful set of commands one for all it has 26 separate clipboard and not only one ofor all kind of data like windows does the only problem is to know the commands the keyboard shortcut i am quite fast with the pc keyboard and i usually use all fingers to digit so when i use a editor i do not want to leave the keyboard and use the mouse every time i need a special function on the menu or to use the arrow keys that are away from the usual position of my hands on the keyboard in my situation vi is very powerful and im searching to a vi editor for windows bye p s sorry for the bad english guns re the usual hollombe polymath tti com the polymath writes the possession of nuclear arms actually weapons grade fissionables is currently regulated only by market forces i e to own them you have to either make them buy them or steal them the only thing that stops you is the staggering cost more than most nations can afford the fact that no one who has them wants to sell to you and the tight security maintained on existing stocks just ask saddam hussein i was under the impression that to obtain fissionable materials i e plutonium or reactor weapons grade uranium one was required to obtain a federal permit to own such materials given a source of fissionables you can build a bomb in your garage with parts from hardware stores and electronic junk supplies you might have to engage in some shady dealings to get the explosive charge but thats trivial compared to getting the plutonium the basic information on the design was declassified years ago and can be dug out of any technical library by a physics grad student actually why bother looking it up from the material we covered last term in 10 weeks of ge ch 127 nuclear chemistry i could derive what it would take to build a bomb and as far as the explosive charge i as a chemist could synthesize a variety of explosives from commonly available chemicals in the garage if i felt like the electronics behind the detonator and the shaped charges are a little trickier however but not impossible using a few tricks of the trade and if i really wanted to be nasty i could include a core of hydrogen and deuterium of course the hardest part is getting the fissionable material to start with and living long enough to put a bomb together plutonium has some nasty properties the polymath aka jerry hollombe m a cdp aka hollombe polymath tti com head robot wrangler at citicorp laws define crime 3100 ocean park blvd 310 450 9111 x2483 police enforce laws santa monica ca 90405 citizens prevent crime aaron arc cco caltech edu windows re borlands paradox offer in article 5031 cvbnetprime com tbelmont feds55 prime com tom belmonte x4858 writes i am considering buying borlands paradox for windows since i would like to use a database with windows i dont have use one yet for both work home use i would like to advantage of borlands 129 95 until april 30 offer if this package is everything that borland claims it to be so i was wondering has anybody used this and or have any opinions yes and its pretty much what they claim i havent had time to try all of it considering the price even if you decide you dont like it it should be saleable over the next 2 3 months for what you have in it once the price goes up all in all its very serviceable and in my humble opinion more powerful than access guns re the truth starts to come out in article c5ua7r dad da vinci it uswc uswest com pprun august it uswc uswest com writes i have just one thing to say about this write your congressperson the fbi and batf storm troopers must not be allowed to get away with this demand a full investigation of the waco survivors story of the lantern being knocked over by the tank we cant bring anybody back from the dead but we may be able to send a few of them to political hell i heard over npr yesterday morning that arlan specter senator from pennsylvania has already called for a congressional investigation the problem is that specter was one of the key government attorneys several years ago who did what he could to coverup facts in the assassinations of jfk and others that is to say the chief fox wants to check out the hen house writing your representatives is a great idea when you do ask that they keep specter and his cronies far away from any investigation would someone please post the generic addresses for congress and senate so that we can all write letters joe gaut in the super state it really does not f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter at all what actually happened red neck and proud of it truth is what the government chooses to tell you justice is what it wants to happen jim garrison new orleans la medicine re analgesics with diuretics in article ofk lve00wb2avukto andrew cmu edu lawrence curcio lc2b andrew cmu edu writes i sometimes see otc preparations for muscle aches back aches that combine aspirin with a diuretic you certainly do not see otc preparations advertised as such the only such ridiculous concoctions are nostrums for premenstrual syndrome ostensibly to treat headache and bloating simultaneously theyre worthless the idea seems to be to reduce inflammation by getting rid of fluid does this actually work thats not the idea and no they dont work steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer medicine re smokers lungs in article 1993apr5 123315 48837 kuhub cc ukans edu bennett kuhub cc ukans edu writes how long does it take a smokers lungs to clear of the tar after quitting does your chances of getting lung cancer decrease quickly or does it take a considerable amount of time for that to happen the answer to your first question is rather difficult to answer without doing a lot of autopsies the second question is something thats been known for some time it appears that within about 15 years of quitting smoking a persons risk for developing lung cancer drops to that of the person who never smoked assuming you do not get lung cancer in the interim the risk to someone who smoked the equivalent of a pack per day for 40 years is around 20 times as high as a non smoker still rather low overall but significant personally id be more concerned about heart disease secondary to smoking its much more common and even a small increase in risk is significant there kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer religion re a kind and loving god in article 1993apr21 145336 5912 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote and does it not say in scripture that no man knows the hour of his coming not even the angels in heaven but only the father himself dk was trying to play god by breaking the seals himself dk killed himself and as many of his followers as he could btw god did save the children they are in heaven a far better place how do i know by faith it seems faith is the only tool available for emotional purposes due to the tragedy as such it maybe fills a need however im getting tired to see children dying in pain in sudan due to lack of food and assuming that god takes these sufferers to heaven after a painful death cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1993apr26 172836 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes neither of these bacteria are obligate anaerobes with are much more important in dealing with the diarrhea problem the diarrhea problem what diarrhea problem first candidal overgrowth is not a frequent problem during antibiotic therapy and not all cases of antibiotic related diarrhea have anything to do with candida but a case of vaginal candidiasis or oral thrush after antibiotic therapy isnt going to surprise anyone either thats not what people are disagreeing with anti fungals a low carbohydrate diet and vitamin a supplementation may all help to minimize the local irritation until the good bacteria can take over control of the food supply again and lower the ph to basically starve the candida out oh really whered you come up with this you know its really appalling to see you try to comment authoritatively on clinical matters in a bizarre synthesis from reading reports in the literature bobbing for citations in the research literature isnt medicine i hope youre not giving the wrong idea to your medical students steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer guns re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm 0 90 2 734911642 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes overall crime rate it fell just like that two questions when was this and do you have the relevant numbers please note this is not in any way an indication i dont believe you or that youre not correct but when the drop occured is relevant acquiring weapons in norway you can buy almost all kinds of weapons in norway but you must have a permit and a good reason to get the permit if i would like to have a handgun i would have to get an gun licence from the police and to be a member of a gun club the primary objection beyond ones based on the ideal of rkba that it is simply not something the government should do is that it makes guns a play thing and tool of the rich and connected it discriminates against the poor is self defense considered appropriate and if so under what conditions are you allowed for instance to get a gun for protection if youre going to be carrying a very large sum of money on a regular basis or have been threatened the police would check my criminal records for any serious crimes and or records of serious mental diseases this has been suggested in the u s and generally supported among gun owners what many object to is that many if not most proposals contain a sort of gotcha clause which allows an arbitrary denial even if you qualify in every way now if a got my licence i would have to be an active member of the gun club for 6 months before i could collect my gun its a little like getting a drivers licence isnt it you have to prove that you can drive before you are allowed to at this point it should be pointed out that in general a drivers licence in the u s is for the most part nothing like its european counterpart i understand getting one is far more difficult there than here in the u s its a joke but my usual objection is that youre discussing two different things for instance in the u s a drivers license is a permit to operate a motor vehicle on a public road it is not necessary to own one or to operate it on private property that is the ability to require driving permits is generally considered to arise from the governments legitimate power to enact reasonable regulations for behavior on public lands a permit to own an automobile for instance which is far closer an analogy would be a much harder thing to get past legally since it wouldnt be based on making regulations on public property but in restricting activity on private property use of guns in crimes in norway some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners arms for a long time but these are rather the exeption most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes and mostly short time befor the crime use of knives it is allowed to cary knifes in public but not in your belt or open you americans think its ok to have a gun but not to carry it open in public rigth this varies widely one thing i think europeans have a difficult time with is that the u s has fifty unique jurisdictions where the laws from one state to another can be as radically different as from one country in europe to another some places allow open carry of both guns and knives some allow concealed some prohibit both or allow one or the other and it can be either a state or local restriciton individual vs masses yes the individual is more important than the masses but only to some extent your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses what happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of all the others the question must be asked is the right of this individual affecting the rights of this other individual what we usually get is that the rights of this group meaning some individuals within this group here defined as people who own guns are adversely affecting the rights of some other group if for instance bob were using his gun to attack steve youd have a point but essentially what were discussing is that becuase some person who qualifies as a member of the group people who own guns then some third person perhaps in another time zone is told that their being a member of that group is taking away somebody elses rights its like trying to punish all newspapers for the libel commited by one the issue i believe the issue is guns and gun legislation the issue is crime violence and murder the question is to what extent guns and gun legislation impact those we shouldnt mix weapons and items that can serve as one if i lived in amerika i would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in home but should it have to be like that of course not it would be nice if we didnt have to fear that other people might get it into their twisted little minds to hurt us but currently we dont have that option nor do i expect we will do you think its wise to sell guns like candy some states do no state does in any case theres a limit to which the state may enforce its wisdom on me freedom in general is an unwise concept if you pre emptively restrict everything which might be unwise then freedom becomes a meaningless concept if you believe its smart neccacery to have drivers licence why do you think it should be free to buy guns ill raise my hand against drivers licenses as currently implemented theyre a waste of time and little more than revanue generation for the state and ignored by a startling number of drivers it does not guarantee a level of skill any higher than is necessary to get your car on the road and get yourself or somebody else killed or a knowledge of traffic laws beyond what any ten year old will have picked up riding around in his parents car but as i mentioned theyre two different things david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al medicine re food related seizures in article c5uq9b lrj toads pgh pa us geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article 116305 bu edu dozonoff bu edu david ozonoff writes many of these cereals are corn based after your post i looked in the literature and located two articles that implicated corn contains tryptophan and seizures the idea is that corn in the diet might potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder not cause it check to see if the two kellog cereals are corn based id be interested years ago when i was an intern an obese young woman was brought into the er comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures why attending a corn festival we pumped her stomach and obtained what seemed like a couple of liters of corn much of it intact kernals after a few hours she woke up and was fine i was tempted to sign her out as acute corn intoxication gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and how about contaminants on the corn e g aflatoxin michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi baseball yankee thoughts yes everyone seems to be in agreement that the yankees are finally moving in the right direction they should finish over 500 this year and maybe even be in the pennent race in august however i would take back a few moves 1 the jim abbott trade i think abbott is not only an inspirational person but a great pitcher also he could win the cy young this year but he wont because the right side of the yanks infield isnt good enough so why was this not a good trade jt snow how many rookies have been able to step in and immediately have the impact that he has had so far on the angels i know its early but if youve seen this kid hit field or talk you can just tell that he is going to be a tremendous player the yanks should have kept him what about mattingly you ask well its great that the yanks have taken care of him and remained loyal but hes 10 years older than snow and just doesnt have the same bat speed as before his back injury its a shame but as a yankee fan who wants to see the best yankee team id take snow over mattingly at first the yanks also gave up two promising propects with snow for abbott besides with domingo jean brien taylor wickman militello and sterling hitchcock they are just loaded with propects i know abbotts only 26 but this was too much to give up i believe george forced this trade because he believes and hes right that abbott will be a big hit in ny however id like to see the yankees build a baseball team not an amusement show 2 wade boggs i live in boston and like wade a lot but his career is winding down and i would rather see the yanks start to develop a long term solution i e hensley muelins russ davis velarde besides wade just doesnt have any range what a shame about charlie hayes huh 3 spike owen see wade boggs id much rather see them develop dave silvestri or whoever wade and spike next to each other in the infield is going to raise the yankee staff era 1 2 point and these guys are on the down sides of their careers 4 danny tartabull yes hes put up some tremendous numbers and its nice to think about what he could do if he were ever healthy all year but he never is we should expect 120 games max out of him meanwhile gerald williams is playing at columbus and paul oneil is playing left field i believe oneil led nl outfielders in assists last year and tartabull is a poor defensive outfielder what im basically getting at is the yanks are moving in the right direction but are not ready to win a pennent this year they should at the gm level be planning for a 1994 or 1995 world series this means getting the younger players experience in the majors now so they will be ready in a year or two im afraid that all this stuff wreaks of george steinbrenner certainly the boggs deal was all george it looks like george is planning the right mix of veterans and young players to win a world series now the veterans are always available and can be added at any time like boston did this year develop the young players first then add the one or two veterans or in the yankees case just keep them lets all us yankee fans hope that george doesnt dismantle the terrific job stick and company have done building the yankee organization back into one of respect im really afraid that he will trade whoever it takes to patch holes today relief pitching for example george must realize that the yankees rebuilding process is still one or two years away have patience george and we will all enjoy the future fire bucky and trade the kids and its baseball hell for all loyal yankee fans for a long time sam im not militello or millitello mandelbaum windows re wp pcf linux risc in article c5w9j7 jll nyongwa cam org angcl nyongwa cam org claude angers writes in article c5rx8b kzp ecf toronto edu leebr ecf toronto edu lee brian writes in article 1qu8ud 2hd sunb ocs mq edu au eugene mpce mq edu au writes in article c5o1yq m34 csie nctu edu tw ghhwang csie nctu edu tw ghhwang writes dear friend the risc means reduced instruction set computer the risc usually has small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase the clock rate to have a high performance you can read some books about computer architecture for more information about risc hmm not that i am an authority on risc but i clearly remember reading that the instruction set on risc cpus is rather large the difference is in addressing modes risc instruction sets are not as orthogonal is cisc theoretically supposed to be reduced not any longer thats why everyone is arguing about risc v s cisc personally i think cisc will win out just take a look at the pentium not that i like intel architectures either but thats another story bye do you mean that the pentium is better than a risc or that it will outsell them all if the first you have to remember that intel cisc like the pentium are a always a generation away from the best riscs also riscs cpu are more costly because they are not sold in the same quantities not even on the same order but i remember reading about 3 years maybe 2 about a t800 from hypercube that did a 100 mips was superscallar and reordered its instruction itself so im not 100 sure but i think the t800 was a 25mhz transputer so ya tie a gazillion of them together to get 100mips the newest is the t9000 which kicks anyones butt havent seen them used much though anyway to respond i think the pentium cisc is better than the more advanced risc e g like the alpha etc the 66mhz pentium has approximately the same performance as the superduper 133mhz alpha here performance is the weird specint92 that everyone refers to this is what i heard the alpha still kicks in the p5s butt in fp again this is what i heard and in the computing world if you sell lots of chips like intel and make it faster like intel you are the winner like intel even though you have a sucky architecture from over 10 years ago like intel 0 if you can make a cisc chip superscalar superduperpipelined superfast with the ideas behind the risc ideology you got a cisc chip and then i admit i cant see the advantages of risc over cisc if the latest technology is a generation behind then it sucks relatively speaking now i may sound like i like intel but ill have to say that the p5 is some real kick butt pile of si and sio2 but i hope that motorola really catches up with the 68k line or im gonna start crying brian brian hojo lee hey excuse me miss could i have a gif of you leebr ecf toronto edu leebr eecg toronto edu try linux the best and free un x clone baseball re nl vs al in article c5dxqp hoo news rich bnr ca bratt crchh7a9 nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes how about game length i dont know if this is a valid statement or not but al games sure seem to last a lot longer make sure to take the sutcliff fisk ect factor into account russ anderson disclaimer any statements are my own and do not reflect upon my employer or anyone else c 1993 ex twins jack morris 10 innings pitched 0 runs world series mvp guns re riddle me this dhartung chinet chi il us dan hartung writes gt6511a prism gatech edu cochrane james shapleigh writes on the subject of cs cn tear gas when i received my initial introduction to tear gas the first thing that came to mind was the location of the exit if there had been anything in the way corners to negotiate doors to open or any other obstacles to movement i would have had a difficult time exiting you couldnt find a window after six hours id bet cash 90 of the people couldnt find the window after six minutes ask anybody whos taken basic training in the military it is not at all uncommon for a few soldiers who have not properly attached and cleared their masks to require assistance exiting the chamber since that chamber has a door not just a window its likely a hell of a lot easier to exit than a multi room damaged house dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them cars re how is cizeta v16t doing in article crh 734864478 regent e technik tu muenchen de crh regent e technik tu muenchen dbp de christian huebner writes i can remember reading a track competition in some car magazine which featured the testarossa the diablo and the v16t the result was about the same i would have expected the cizeta was not only the slowest of the three but also dropped out halfway during its test laps because of smoking brakes for a sportscar it showed ridiculous performance hm i find this hard to believe v16t weights about the same as the red head but it has hell lot more horse power perhaps its due to pre production glitches well to me it still got the most imposing styling among all the sports cars i have seen bye chris crh regent e technik tu muenchen de ferrari f40 best sportscar ever built personally i dont like cars that rely on turbo power i guess everyone has their favorite car windows re postscript view for dos or windows where can i find the ms windows version of ghostscript thanks in article hjstein 93apr15145240 sunrise huji ac il hjstein sunrise huji ac i l harvey j stein writes ive been using version 2 5 2 of ghostscript and im quite satisfied with it there are actually 3 versions a plain dos version a 386 version and a windows version harvey stein hjstein math huji ac il m 0 medicine re quality control in medicine in article 9307 blue cis pitt edu kenneth gilbert kxgst1 pitt edu writes situation qa activities are a routine part of every hospitals administrative function and are required by accreditation agencies there are even entire publications devoted to qa issues indeed i spend about 60 of my time dealing with quality stuff it is a hot number two journals worth looking at are quality review bulletin pub joint commission on accreditation of healthcare organizations one renaissance boulevard oakbrook terrace il 60181 quality in health care bmj publishing group box no 560b kennebunkport me 04046 don mackie his opinions um anesthesiology will disavow medicine hicn611 medical news part 1 4 cut here volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 health info com network medical newsletter editor david dodell d m d 10250 north 92nd street suite 210 scottsdale arizona 85258 4599 usa telephone 1 602 860 1121 fax 1 602 451 1165 compilation copyright 1993 by david dodell d m d all rights reserved license is hereby granted to republish on electronic media for which no fees are charged so long as the text of this copyright notice and license are attached intact to any and all republished portion or portions the health info com network newsletter is distributed biweekly articles on a medical nature are welcomed if you have an article please contact the editor for information on how to submit 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from national cancer institute 23 publications for patients available from national cancer institute 30 6 aids news summaries aids daily summary for april 19 to april 23 1993 38 7 aids statistics worldwide aids statistics 48 hicnet medical newsletter page i volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 centers for disease control and prevention mmwr rates of cesarean delivery united states 1991 source mmwr 42 15 date apr 23 1993 cesarean deliveries have accounted for nearly 1 million of the approximately 4 million annual deliveries in the united states since 1986 table 1 the cesarean rate in the united states is the third highest among 21 reporting countries exceeded only by brazil and puerto rico 1 this report presents data on cesarean deliveries from cdcs national hospital discharge survey nhds for 1991 and compares these data with previous years data on discharges from short stay nonfederal hospitals have been collected annually since 1965 in the nhds conducted by cdcs national center for health statistics for 1991 medical and demographic information were abstracted from a sample of 274 000 inpatients discharged from 484 participating hospitals the 1991 cesareans and vaginal births after a prior cesarean vbac presented in this report are based on weighted national estimates from the nhds sample of approximately 31 000 11 women discharged after delivery the estimated numbers of live births by type of delivery were calculated by applying cesarean rates from the nhds to live births from national vital registration data therefore estimates of the number of cesareans in this report will not agree with previously published data based solely on the nhds 2 stated differences in this analysis are significant at the 95 confidence level based on the two tailed t test with a critical value of 1 96 in 1991 there were 23 5 cesareans per 100 deliveries the same rate as in 1990 and similar to rates during 1986 1989 table 1 the primary cesarean rate i e number of first cesareans per 100 deliveries to women who had no previous cesareans for 1986 1991 also was stable ranging from 16 8 to 17 5 in 1991 the cesarean rate in the south was 27 6 significantly p 0 05 higher than the rates for the west 19 8 midwest 21 8 and northeast 22 6 rates were higher for mothers aged greater than or equal to 30 years than for younger women in proprietary hospitals than in nonprofit or government hospitals in hospitals with fewer than 300 beds than in larger hospitals and for deliveries for which blue cross blue shield and other private insurance is the expected source of payment than for other sources of payment table 2 the same pattern characterized primary cesarean deliveries since the early 1970s the number and percentage of births to older women increased however if the age distribution of mothers in 1991 had remained the same as in 1986 the overall cesarean rate in 1991 would have been 23 3 essentially the same as the 23 5 observed based on the nhds of the approximately 4 111 000 live births in 1991 an hicnet medical newsletter page 1 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 estimated 966 000 23 5 were by cesarean delivery of these an estimated 338 000 35 0 births were repeat cesareans and 628 000 65 0 were primary cesareans since 1986 approximately 600 000 primary cesareans have been performed annually in 1986 8 5 of women who had a previous cesarean delivered vaginally compared with 24 2 in 1991 of all cesareans in 1991 35 0 were associated with a previous cesarean 30 4 with dystocia i e failure of labor to progress 11 7 with breech presentation 9 2 with fetal distress and 13 7 with all other specified complications the average hospital stay for all deliveries in 1991 was 2 8 days in comparison the hospital stay for a primary cesarean delivery was 4 5 days and for a repeat cesarean 4 2 days nearly twice the duration for vbac deliveries 2 2 days or for vaginal deliveries that were not vbacs 2 3 days in 1986 the average hospital stay for all deliveries was 3 2 days for primary cesareans 5 2 days for repeat cesareans 4 7 days and for vbac and non vbac vaginal deliveries 2 7 and 2 6 days respectively reported by office of vital and health statistics systems national center for health statistics cdc editorial note the cesarean rate in the united states steadily increased from 1965 through 1986 however the findings in this report indicate that rates have been stable since 1986 3 because there is little evidence that maternal and child health status has improved during this time and because cesareans are associated with an increased risk for complications of childbirth a national health objective for the year 2000 4 is to reduce the overall cesarean rate to 15 or fewer per 100 deliveries and the primary cesarean rate to 12 or fewer per 100 deliveries objective 14 8 postpartum complications including urinary tract and wound infections may account in part for the longer hospital stays for cesarean deliveries than for vaginal births 5 moreover the prolonged hospital stays for cesarean deliveries substantially increase health care costs for example in 1991 the average costs for cesarean and vaginal deliveries were 7826 and 4720 respectively the additional cost for each cesarean delivery includes 611 for physician fees and 2495 for hospital charges 6 if the cesarean rate in 1991 had been 15 the year 2000 objective instead of 23 5 the number of cesarean births would have decreased by 349 000 617 000 versus 966 000 resulting in a savings of more than 1 billion in physician fees and hospital charges despite the steady increase in vbac rates since 1986 several factors may impede progress toward the year 2000 national health objectives for cesarean delivery for example vbac rates substantially reflect the number of women offered trial of labor which has been increasingly encouraged since 1982 7 of women who are offered a trial of labor 50 70 could deliver vaginally 7 a level already achieved by many hospitals 8 trial of labor was routinely offered in 46 of hospitals surveyed in 1984 the most recent year for which hicnet medical newsletter page 2 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 national data are available 9 when the vbac rate according to nhds data was 5 7 the year 2000 objective specifies a vbac rate of 35 based on all women who had a prior cesarean regardless of whether a trial of labor was attempted to reach the overall cesarean rate goal however increases in the vbac rate will need to be combined with a substantial reduction in the primary rate one hospital succeeded in reducing the rate of cesarean delivery by applying objective criteria for the four most common indications for cesarean delivery by requiring a second opinion and by instituting a peer review process 10 other recommendations for decreasing cesarean delivery rates include eliminating incentives for physicians and hospitals by equalizing reimbursement for vaginal and cesarean deliveries public dissemination of physician and hospital specific cesarean delivery rates to increase public awareness of differences in practices and addressing malpractice concerns which may be an important factor in maintaining the high rates of cesarean delivery 4 references 1 notzon fc international differences in the use of obstetric interventions jama 1990 263 3286 91 2 graves ej nchs 1991 summary national hospital discharge survey hyattsville maryland us department of health and human services public health service cdc 1993 advance data no 227 3 taffel sm placek pj kosary cl u s cesarean section rates 1990 an update birth 1992 19 21 2 4 public health service healthy people 2000 national health promotion and disease prevention objectives full report with commentary washington dc us department of health and human services public health service 1991 dhhs publication no phs 91 50212 5 danforth dn cesarean section jama 1985 253 811 8 6 hospital insurance association of america table 4 15 cost of maternity care physicians fees and hospital charges by census region based on consumer price index 1991 in 1992 source book of health insurance data washington dc hospital insurance association of america 1992 7 committee on obstetrics acog committee opinion no 64 guidelines for vaginal delivery after a previous cesarean birth washington dc american college of obstetricians and gynecologists 1988 hicnet medical newsletter page 3 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 8 rosen mg dickinson jc vaginal birth after cesarean a meta analysis of indicators for success obstet gynecol 1990 76 865 9 9 shiono ph fielden jg mcnellis d rhoads gg pearse wh recent trends in cesarean birth and trial of labor rates in the united states jama 1987 257 494 7 10 myers sa gleicher n a successful program to lower cesarean section rates n engl j med 1988 319 1511 6 use of trade names and commercial sources is for identification only and does not imply endorsement by the public health service or the u s department of health and human services hicnet medical newsletter page 4 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 malaria among u s embassy personnel kampala uganda 1992 source mmwr 42 15 date apr 23 1993 the treatment and prevention of malaria in africa has become a challenging and complex problem because of increasing drug resistance although the risk of acquiring malaria for u s citizens and their dependents stationed overseas generally has been low this risk varies substantially and unpredictably during may 1992 the office of medical services department of state oms dos and cdc were notified of an increased number of malaria cases among official u s personnel stationed in kampala uganda a review of the health records from the embassy health unit ehu in kampala indicated that 27 cases of malaria were diagnosed in official personnel from march through june 1992 compared with two cases during the same period in 1991 ehu oms dos and cdc conducted an investigation to confirm all reported malaria cases and identify potential risk factors for malaria among u s embassy personnel this report summarizes the results of the investigation malaria blood smears from 25 of the 27 reported case patients were available for review by oms dos and cdc a case of malaria was confirmed if the slide was positive for plasmodium sp of the 25 persons 17 were slide confirmed as having malaria a questionnaire was distributed to all persons served by the ehu to obtain information about residence activities use of malaria chemoprophylaxis and use of personal protection measures i e using bednets and insect repellents having window and door screens and wearing long sleeves and pants in the evening of the 157 persons eligible for the survey 128 82 responded risk for malaria was not associated with sex or location of residence in kampala although the risk for malaria was higher among children aged less than or equal to 15 years 6 32 19 than among persons greater than 15 years 11 94 12 this difference was not significant relative risk rr 1 6 95 confidence interval ci 0 6 4 0 eighty two percent of the cases occurred among persons who had been living in kampala for 1 5 years compared with those living there less than 1 year travel outside of the kampala area to more rural settings was not associated with increased risk for malaria four malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens were used by persons who participated in the survey mefloquine chloroquine and proguanil chloroquine alone and proguanil alone in addition 23 18 persons who responded were not using any malaria chemoprophylaxis the risk for malaria was significantly lower among persons using either mefloquine or chloroquine and proguanil 8 88 9 than among persons using the other regimens or no prophylaxis 9 37 24 rr 0 4 95 ci 0 2 0 9 twelve persons not using prophylaxis reported side effects or fear of possible side effects as a reason the risk for malaria was lower among persons who reported using bednets hicnet medical newsletter page 5 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 all or most of the time 2 27 7 than among persons who sometimes or rarely used bednets 15 99 15 rr 0 5 95 ci 0 1 2 0 the risk for malaria was also lower among persons who consistently used insect repellent in the evening 0 16 compared with those who rarely used repellent 17 110 15 rr 0 upper 95 confidence limit 1 2 risk for malaria was not associated with failure to have window or door screens or wear long sleeves or pants in the evening as a result of this investigation ehu staff reviewed with all personnel the need to use and comply with the recommended malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens ehu staff also emphasized the need to use personal protection measures and made plans to obtain insecticide impregnated bednets and to provide window and door screens for all personnel reported by u s embassy health unit kampala uganda office of medical svcs dept of state washington d c malaria br div of parasitic diseases national center for infectious diseases cdc editorial note in uganda the increase in malaria among u s personnel was attributed to poor adherence to both recommended malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens and use of personal protection measures during a period of increased malaria transmission and intensified chloroquine resistance in sub saharan africa the findings in this report underscore the need to provide initial and continued counseling regarding malaria prevention for persons living abroad in malaria endemic areas preventive measures that are also important for short term travelers to such areas mefloquine is an effective prophylaxis regimen in africa and in most other areas with chloroquine resistant p falciparum however in some areas e g thailand resistance to mefloquine may limit its effectiveness in africa the efficacy of mefloquine compared with chloroquine alone in preventing infection with p falciparum is 92 1 mefloquine is safe and well tolerated when given at 250 mg per week over a 2 year period the risk for serious adverse reactions possibly associated with mefloquine prophylaxis e g psychosis and convulsions is low i e 1 3 1 9 episodes per 100 000 users 2 while the risk for less severe adverse reactions e g dizziness gastrointestinal complaints and sleep disturbances is similar to that for other antimalarial chemoprophylactics 1 doxycycline has similar prophylactic efficacy to mefloquine but the need for daily dosing may reduce compliance with and effectiveness of this regimen 3 4 chloroquine alone is not effective as prophylaxis in areas of intense chloroquine resistance e g southeast asia and africa in africa for persons who cannot take mefloquine or doxycycline chloroquine and proguanil is an alternative although less effective regimen chloroquine should be used for malaria prevention in areas only where chloroquine resistant p falciparum has not been reported country specific recommendations for preventing malaria and information hicnet medical newsletter page 6 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 on the dosage and precautions for malaria chemoprophylaxis regimens are available from health information for international travel 1992 i e yellow book 5 or 24 hours a day by telephone or fax 404 332 4555 references 1 lobel ho miani m eng t et al long term malaria prophylaxis with weekly mefloquine in peace corps volunteers an effective and well tolerated regimen lancet 1993 341 848 51 2 world health organization review of central nervous system adverse events related to the antimalarial drug mefloquine 1985 1990 geneva world health organization 1991 publication no who mal 91 1063 3 pang l limsomwong n singharaj p prophylactic treatment of vivax and falciparum malaria with low dose doxycycline j infect dis 1988 158 1124 7 4 pang l limsomwong n boudreau ef singharaj p doxycycline prophylaxis for falciparum malaria lancet 1987 1 1161 4 5 cdc health information for international travel 1992 atlanta us department of health and human services public health service 1992 98 dhhs publication no cdc 92 8280 hicnet medical newsletter page 7 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 fda approval of use of a new haemophilus b conjugate vaccine and a combined diphtheria tetanus pertussis and haemophilus b conjugate vaccine for infants and children source mmwr 42 15 date apr 23 1993 haemophilus influenzae type b hib conjugate vaccines have been recommended for use in infants since 1990 and their routine use in infant vaccination has contributed to the substantial decline in the incidence of hib disease in the united states 1 3 vaccines against diphtheria tetanus and pertussis during infancy and childhood have been administered routinely in the united states since the late 1940s and has been associated with a greater than 90 reduction in morbidity and mortality associated with infection by these organisms because of the increasing number of vaccines now routinely recommended for infants a high priority is the development of combined vaccines that allow simultaneous administration with fewer separate injections the food and drug administration fda recently licensed two new products for vaccinating children against these diseases 1 the haemophilus b conjugate vaccine tetanus toxoid conjugate acthib trademark for vaccination against hib disease only and 2 a combined diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and whole cell pertussis vaccine dtp and hib conjugate vaccine tetramune trademark a combination of vaccines formulated for use in vaccinating children against diphtheria tetanus pertussis and hib disease acthib trademark on march 30 1993 the fda approved a new haemophilus b conjugate vaccine polyribosylribitol phosphate tetanus toxoid conjugate prp t manufactured by pasteur merieux serum et vaccins and distributed as acthib trademark by connaught laboratories inc swiftwater pennsylvania this vaccine has been licensed for use in infants in a three dose primary vaccination series administered at ages 2 4 and 6 months previously unvaccinated infants 7 11 months of age should receive two doses 2 months apart previously unvaccinated children 12 14 months of age should receive one dose a booster dose administered at 15 months of age is recommended for all children previously unvaccinated children 15 59 months of age should receive a single dose and do not require a booster more than 90 of infants receiving a primary vaccination series of acthib trademark consecutive doses at 2 4 and 6 months of age develop a geometric mean titer of anti haemophilus b polysaccharide antibody greater than 1 ug ml 4 this response is similar to that of infants who receive recommended series of previously licensed haemophilus b conjugate vaccines for which efficacy has been demonstrated in prospective trials two u s efficacy trials of prp t were terminated early because of the concomitant licensure of other haemophilus b conjugate vaccines hicnet medical newsletter page 8 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 for use in infants 4 in these studies no cases of invasive hib disease were detected in approximately 6000 infants vaccinated with prp t these and other studies suggest that the efficacy of prp t vaccine will be similar to that of the other licensed hib vaccines tetramune trademark on march 30 1993 the fda approved a combined diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and whole cell pertussis vaccine dtp and haemophilus b conjugate vaccine tetramune trademark available from lederle praxis biologicals pearl river new york combines two previously licensed products dtp triimmunol registered manufactured by lederle laboratories pearl river new york and haemophilus b conjugate vaccine hibtiter registered manufactured by praxis biologics inc rochester new york this vaccine has been licensed for use in children aged 2 months 5 years for protection against diphtheria tetanus pertussis and hib disease when indications for vaccination with dtp vaccine and haemophilus b conjugate vaccine coincide based on demonstration of co mparable or higher antibody responses to each of the components of the two vaccines tetramune trademark is expected to provide protection against hib as well as diphtheria tetanus and pertussis equivalent to that of already licensed formulations of other dtp and haemophilus b vaccines the advisory committee for immunization practices acip recommends that all infants receive a primary series of one of the licensed haemophilus b conjugate vaccines beginning at 2 months of age and a booster dose at age 12 15 months 5 the acip also recommends that all infants receive a four dose primary series of diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccine at 2 4 6 and 15 18 months of age and a booster dose at 4 6 years 6 8 a complete statement regarding recommendations for use of acthib trademark and tetramune trademark is being developed reported by office of vaccines research and review center for biologics evaluation and research food and drug administration div of immunization national center for prevention svcs meningitis and special pathogens br div of bacterial and mycotic diseases national center for infectious diseases cdc references 1 adams wg deaver ka cochi sl et al decline of childhood haemophilus influenzae type b hib disease in the hib vaccine era jama 1993 269 221 6 2 broadhurst le erickson rl kelley pw decrease in invasive haemophilus influenzae disease in u s army children 1984 through 1991 jama 1993 269 227 31 3 murphy tv white ke pastor p et al declining incidence of haemophilus influenzae type b disease since introduction of vaccination jama hicnet medical newsletter page 9 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 1993 269 246 8 4 fritzell b plotkin s efficacy and safety of a haemophilus influenzae type b capsular polysaccharide tetanus protein conjugate vaccine j pediatr 1992 121 355 62 5 acip haemophilus b conjugate vaccines for prevention of haemophilus influenzae type b disease among infants and children two months of age and older recommendations of the immunization practices advisory committee acip mmwr 1991 40 no rr 1 6 acip diphtheria tetanus and pertussis recommendations for vaccine use and other preventive measures recommendations of the immunization practices advisory committee acip mmwr 1991 40 no rr 10 7 acip pertussis vaccination acellular pertussis vaccine for reinforcing and booster use supplementary acip statement recommendations of the immunization practices advisory committee acip mmwr 1992 41 no rr 1 8 acip pertussis vaccination acellular pertussis vaccine for the fourth and fifth doses of the dtp series update to supplementary acip statement recommendations of the immunization practices advisory committee acip mmwr 1992 41 no rr 15 use of trade names and commercial sources is for identification only and does not imply endorsement by the public health service or the u s department of health and human services hicnet medical newsletter page 10 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 dental news international workshop explores oral manifestations of hiv infection nidr research digest written by jody dove march 1993 national institute of dental research at the second international workshop on the oral manifestations of hiv infection held january 31 february 3 in san francisco participants explored issues related to the epidemiology basic molecular virology mucosal immunology and oral clinical presentations of hiv infection the workshop was organized by dr john greenspan and dr deborah greenspan of the department of stomatology school of dentistry university of california san francisco an international steering committee and scientific program committee provided guidance the conference drew more than 260 scientists from 39 countries including asia africa europe central america south america as well as the united states and canada support tor the workshop was provided by the national institute of dental research the national cancer institute the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases the nih office of aids research and the procter and gamble company among the topics discussed were the epidemiology of hiv lesions ethics professional responsibility and public policy occupational issues provision of oral care to the hiv positive population salivary hiv transmission and mucosal immunity opportunistic infections pediatric hiv infection and womens issues recommendations recommendations emerged from the workshop to define the association between the appearance of oral lesions and rate of progression of hiv to establish a universal terminology for hiv associated oral lesions to look for more effective treatments for oral manifestations to expand molecular biology studies to understand the relationship between hiv infection and common oral lesions and to study the effects of hiv therapy on oral lesions epidemiology since the first international workshop on oral manifestations of hiv infection was convened five years ago the epidemiology of hiv infection has hicnet medical newsletter page 11 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 radically changed in 1988 hiv infection was detected and reported largely in homosexual and bisexual males intravenous drug users and hemophiliacs today more hiv infection is seen in heterosexual males and females and in children and adolescents while the predominant impact of hiv infection has been felt in africa a major increase in infection rate is being seen in southeast asia as well five hundred thousand cases have been reported to date in this region and more are appearing all the time researchers are continuing to document the epidemiology of oral lesions such as hairy leukoplakia and candidiasis they also are beginning to explore the relationships between specific oral lesions and hiv disease progression and prognosis social political issues discussion on the social and political implications of hiv infection focused on changing the publics attitude that aids is retribution for indiscriminate sexual behavior and drug use speakers also addressed health care delivery for hiv infected patients and the need to educate the public about what aids is and how it is acquired saliva and salivary glands conference speakers described transmission issues and the hiv inhibitory activity of saliva the strength of which varies among the different salivary secretions whole saliva has a greater inhibitory effect than submandibular secretions which in turn have a greater inhibitory effect than parotid secretions research has shown that at least two mechanisms are responsible for salivary inhibitory activity they attributed the hiv inhibitory effect of saliva to the 1 aggregation agglutination of hiv by saliva which may both promote clearance of virus and prevent it reaching a target cell and 2 direct effects on the virus or target cells other topics discussed were the manifestation of salivary gland disease in hiv infected persons and current research on oral mucosal immunity pediatric issues pediatric aids recently has emerged as an area of intense interest with early and accurate diagnosis and proper treatment the life expectancy of hiv infected children has tripled the prevention of transmission of hiv from mother to child may be possible in many cases particularly if the mothers sero status is known prior to giving birth periodontal and gingival tissue disease hicnet medical newsletter page 12 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 oral health researchers continue to explore periodontal diseases and gingivitis found in individuals with hiv infection recommendations made at the workshop include the standardization of terminology refinement of diagnostic markers standardization of study design and proper consideration of confounding variables resulting from periodontal therapy occupational and treatment issues occupational issues surrounding the treatment of hiv infected individuals and treatment rendered by hiv infected health care professionals still command considerable attention factors under consideration include the cost benefit of hiv testing patient to health care provider transmission of hiv infection and the reverse and the use of mainstream versus dedicated facilities for the treatment of hiv infected patients conference participants anticipate that a third international workshop on the oral manifestations of hiv infection will be held in five years or less proceedings from the second workshop will be published by the quintessence company in late 1993 end of part 1 internet david stat com fax 1 602 451 1165 bitnet atw1h asuacad fidonet 1 114 15 amateur packet ax25 wb7tpy wb7tpy az usa na guns re change of name in article cmm 0 90 2 735315429 thomasp holmenkollen ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes 1 make a new newsgroup called talk politics guns paranoid or talk politics guns theyr here to take me away well may i point out that paranoia is an irrational fear without basis in reality as weve seen here in the us there is nothing irrational about it perhaps you folks in finland have been down on your knees being good little boys and girls so that the former soviet union didnt come across the border and stomp the snot out of you for so long that you just figure everybody should be so accomodating to tyranny 2 move all postings about waco and burn to guess where 3 stop posting on this newsgroup if you dont like us talking about political issues involving attacks on people for owning guns dont read talk politics guns we are all so glad youre trying to save us from the evil goverment but would you mail this in regular mail to lets say 1000 people nobodys trying to save you from anything so butt out i couldnt care less about what somebody on the other side of the world thinks about this of course you do have a right to an opinion but ive always figured that opinons are like hemmorhoids every assholes got them i just dont care about yours i remember what i was doing bad boy whatcha gonna do when i heard that jfk had been shot whatcha gonna do will you remember the battle of waco when they come for you ken whitehead kdw odin icd ab com baseball re when is melido due back in article nittmo 734981173 camelot nittmo camelot bradley edu christopher taylor writes when are the yankees planning on activating melido perez his 15 days on the dl are up today but are they bringing him back this weekend thanks for any info the chicago tribune pitching form has perez pitching today 4 16 but given the way that buck changes his rotation so often that could just be the work of a confused stat page editor adam as16 midway uchicago edu aka mercutio obligatory go yankees for baseball season 5338 s woodlawn ave apt 2 chicago il 60615 312 667 3586 medicine what is intersection syndrome near the forearm wrist hi i went to the orthopedist on tuesday he diagnosed me as having intersection syndrome he prescribed feldene for me i want to know more about the disease and the drug thanks somesh medicine klonopin and pregnancy a from adwright iastate edu a a woman i know is tapering off klonopin i believe that is one of the a benzodiazopines she is taking a very minimal dose right now half a tablet a a day she is also pregnant my question is are there any known cases where a klonopin or similar drug has caused harmful effects to the fetus a how about cases where the mother took klonopin or similar substance and had a normal baby any information is appreciated she wants to get a feel for a what sort of risk she is taking she is in her first month of pregnancy klonopin according to the pdr physicians desk reference is not a proven teratogen there are isolated case reports of malformations but it is impossible to establish cause effect relationships the overwhelming majority of women that take klonopin while pregnant have normal babies slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein windows biobliography program info needed please i think somebody posted some info about a biobliography program one or two months ago i dont rember the detail what id like to have is one software to organize the literature im refereing for scientific publications the functions id like would be a able to do data base managment b able to print with special formats for different journals any info would be appreciated yi ming wang radiation laboratory university of notre dame wang 29 nd edu windows re need windows logo in a previous article dmmatt cajun wrote in article 1qjqed 1ft access digex net holland access digex com brian holland writes markus maier s maier m rzmain rz uni ulm de wrote hi well im searching for the ms windows logo u know the picture when u start windows in some suitable grafics format like gif or jpg c windows system vgalogo rle if my memory serves me correctly rle is a compressed bmp format an is readable by wingif paintshop pro paint and god knows how many other programs that isnt enough to change your windows startup logo vgalogo rle is not needed after you have installed windows it is incorporated as a part of win com to make a new win com you have to concatinate three files together using the b option for a binary concatonation i beleive it is copy b win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle mywin com make sure you backup your win com file in anotehr directory before you do this i absent mindedly typed win com instead of mywin com and had to resinstall windows anyway substitute whatever rle file you want the win cnf has the info needed to start windows think of it as a bootstrap and vgalogo vga has video information just make sure that the rle file doesnt tip the whole com file size over the 64k limit of a com file so anyway i use mywin com to startup ms windows now instead of that annoying micro oft advertisment i have the joker yes from batman taking yoru picture from the screen saying smile also a little bit of text micro oft windows the worlds first commercially sucessful virus i added that because of the frequency of crashes grin rob a post by rob mohns rmohns i had no water so vax clarku edu i drowned in sand windows windows and ati ultra mach8 chip sizing question i have just upgraded from a trident tvga9000 to an ati graphics ultra the old mach8 chip i am quite pleased with the performance so far but have one problem when using windows in 800x600 i have noticed that the tile bars and scroll bars are significantly larger than they were when i was using the trident card is there a setting in my ini files that i can change to make these smaller i could not find the faq for this list mike mdtancsa watarts uwaterloo ca windows re windows for workgroups and lan workplace hey sounds great does that mean that w4wg works with odi i thought it uses ndis wfwg does use ndis but it cooperates well with the ndis shim for odi ive heard that it is as fast as ndis direct my problem is that lan workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my umbs so id hate to have to load many more drivers to make w4wg work along the additional tsr load is minimal i think i eat another 20k total this is worth it to me since it allows me to get to my windows nt box novell hasnt released a decent nt novell client yet so i share through my wfwg box this solution is very usable baseball re jewish baseball players once on jeopardy the category was jewish sports heros believe it or not the answer was this pitcher had four no hitters with the dodgers in the 60s the contestant said who is hank aaron alex trebek said something like i dont think hank aaron was a pitcher david fry fry math harvard edu division of applied sciences fry huma1 bitnet harvard university harvard huma1 fry cambridge ma 02138 guns randy weaver trial update day 5 note these trial updates are summarized from reports in the idaho statesman and the local nbc affiliate television station ktvb channel 7 randy weaver kevin harris trial update day 5 monday april 19 1993 was the fifth day of the trial synopsis government informant kenneth fadeley testified that randy weaver sold him two shotguns in violation of the national firearms act of 1934 u s district court judge edward lodge asks jurors not to hear accounts of the waco fire because of possible influences on the weaver harris case the testimony of fbi special agent greg rampton apparently ended without further incident as it was mentioned neither by ktvb nor the idaho statesman the day was highlighted by the testimony of kenneth fadeley who had been posing as an outlaw biker and illegal guns person named gus magiosono fadeley testified that he was acting as an informant for the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms in his dealings with randy weaver fadeley began by stating that he had met weaver in 1987 at an aryan nations summer conference in hayden lake idaho the two then met again october 11 1989 note the huge separation in time at a restaurant in sandpoint idaho to begin a weapons transaction he stated that weaver had said he felt like he weaver was being prepared to do something dangerous for the white cause the two later met october 24 1989 behind the restaurant and later went to a city park to make the sale during this second meeting fadeley was wearing a small recording device to tape the conversation weaver allegedly showed him an h r 12 gauge shotgun with a 13 inch barrel and an overall length of 19 25 inches he additionally showed a remington 12 gauge shotgun with a 12 75 inch barrel and an overall length of 24 5 inches nfa requires minimums of 18 inches for barrel length and an overall length of 26 inches on tape weaver is reported to have said that he could perform better work once his machine shop is set up the two then discuss the possibility of future sales fadeley then counts out three hundred dollars for the two guns and promises the balance of one hundred fifty dollars when they next meet note that the atf could have simply arrested him here why did they wait until january 1991 over a year later to arrest him this is not explained the next meeting took place on nov 30 1989 fadeley stated that his source had only come up with one hundred dollars instead of the one hundred fifty hed promised at this point weaver suspected he was dealing with an informant i had a guy in spokane tell me you were bad fadeley managed to convince weaver otherwise the idaho statesman states explicitly that three tapes were made of conversations with randy weaver thus each of these meetings must have been recorded however the statesman also reported that a tape of a telephone conversation involving vicki weaver randy weavers wife was played to the court there must have also been phone taps these tapes were played to the court via both headphones and loudspeakers under the objections of gerry spence weavers attorney spence said to a ktvb reporter that he wanted to make sure that the government proved its case if it has a case at all according to the rules randy weaver tore off his headphones and wept when he heard his wifes voice on the tape u s district court judge edward lodge asked jurors not to hear accounts of the waco fire because of possible influences on the weaver harris case exactly how such information could affect this trial is not explained other notes sunday evening there was a report on ktvb concerning kevin harris unnamed agents within the fbi admit that they are surprised that kevin harris is still alive first they were surprised that he survived the initial gunshot wound s sustained in the initial firefight at the y junction later when randy weaver was struck by sniper fire the sniper had reported that harris had been struck not weaver finally there was a report that the fbi agent who killed vicki weaver believed he was aiming at kevin harris instead this is what was reported critics are charging that the fbi was blatantly trying to eliminate the only non government witness to the deaths of samuel weaver and deputy marshal william degan some local people believe that harriss survival is simply due to divine intervention tuesday april 20 1993 will be the sixth day of the trial kenneth fadeleys testimony is scheduled to continue guns sign of the times article in this mornings houston post negotiators send food to rebellious inmates as humanitarian gesture speaking about the ohio prison riot where they have killed at least one of the hostage guards i know its not the same group but the mindset appears to be common to those what rule here lately they wont give diddley to the bds in waco but they treat criminals as deserving of humanitarian gestures this is but another indicator that the criminal caste seems to enjoy more priviliges in todays society than their victims or other law abiding citizens what is it that makes the criminal so precious to the leaders of the system could it be that the criminal is one of the tools the authorities are using to excuse some of the rights negation they are trying to foist upon the law abiding citizen in the name of crime control dont solve the crime problem because then the citizen couldnt be held hostage to our help if the crime problem were solved in favor of the citizen victim at the expense of the criminal none of the crap such as rico and gun banning could be used as excuses to work the agenda of those who would control our every move and thought olx 2 2 if i have to explain you wouldnt understand ye olde bailey bbs 713 520 1569 v 32bis 713 520 9566 v 32bis houston texas yob sccsi com home of alt cosuard guns re clinton wants national id card aka ussr style internal passport the idea of the card is bull in and of its self but im curious to know do they plan on making it a requirement to always have it on you or is it only going to be required to be presented when trying to ge medical aid btw anybody planning on shaving hillarys head to look for 666 8 later dave days goverment logic or just the clintons david h slack boise surface mount center email slack hpdmd48 boi hp com telnet 323 4019 phone 208 323 4019 hewlett packard 11213 chinden blvd boise idaho 83714 1023 m s 625 guns re my gun is like my in article 1993apr16 194708 13273 vax oxford ac uk jaj vax oxford ac uk writes what all you turkey pro pistol and automatic weapons fanatics dont seem to realize is that the rest of us laugh at you you dont make me angry you just make me chuckle i remeber being in bellingham washington and seeing a you consider laughing at others civilized behavior what was i supposed to learn from your article treat people like dogs i am not impressed by your attitude baseball re best homeruns how about brooks robinsons last homerun ever 268 came on 4 19 77 at memorial stadium with one out and two on in the bottom of the 10th inning larry harlow was due up but brooks pinch hit a 3 2 pitch from dave laroche into the left field bleachers for a 6 5 win brian klaff windows winword grammer checker saved my liff 1 fire up microsoft word for windows version 2 0c 2 type the following paragraph if you want to rite really very dead good you just cant live without one of the wonderfully write aids what youre can get what helps me impress me boss 3 under tools options grammar select use grammar and style rules strictly all rules and click ok 4 run the grammar checker this also does a spelling check no complaints readability passive sentences 0 flesch reading ease 84 5 flesch grade level 6 6 flesch kincaid 5 2 gunning fog index 8 7 tl someone buy malcolm bacchus some beer please baseball re ray lankford question in article 1993apr20 165918 16574 mnemosyne cs du edu msilverm nyx cs du edu mike silverman writes does anybody know what is going on with lankford i know he was out for a few games with a slight injury but since he has beenback and before the injury for that matter he has been really struggling at the plate and on the basepaths his performance at the plate may well be from the shoulder injury received when he ran into the wall making a catch in the cincy series it may also be him pressing a little as for the baserunning it does not appear to be just lankford dent made the bad call sending lankford in the sunday night game against cincy but everyone had a bad time against the dodgers catcher whereis the ray lankford we saw last year good question at least it doesnt appear that we are seeing the same zeile h bob netherton missouri pacific sun microsystems o mp dallas tx 5001 o o o o o o guns re we knew it would happen god forgive me for being an american who pays taxes to a government that commits atrocities like the waco massacre of 1993 dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com im beginning to look forward to reaching the 100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt at that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds religion odds and ends just a few cheap shots a christianity riddle what is the shortest street in jerusalem answer the street of the righteous poles limrick there was an archeologist thostle who found an amazing fossil by the way it was bent and the knot it the end twas the penis of paul the apostle jingle christianity hits the spot twelve apostles thats a lot jesus christ and a virgin too christianitys the faith for you with apologies to pepsi cola and its famous jingle riddle how many christians does it take to save a light bulb answer none only jesus can save aphorism jesus saves moses invests proof that jesus was jewish 1 he lived at home till he was 33 2 he went into his fathers business 3 he thought he mother was a virgin 4 his mother thought he was god qed so long you all bob kolker i would rather spend eternity in hell with interesting people than eternity in heaven with christians if you cant love the constitution then at least hate the government medicine re vitamin a and hearing loss in article 1993apr30 194806 10652 banana fedex com claude banana fedex com claude bowie writes i heard a news report indicating research showing improved hearing in people taking vitamin a the research showed that new growth replaced damaged hairlike nerves has anyone heard about this claude ive not heard or read anything that would suggest that vitamin a retinol could reverse hearing loss due to nerve damage usually caused by high sound levels but also occassionally due to severe infection the types of cells that vitamin a regulates are the general epithelial cells and these cell types are not the ones that function in the ear hearing process the hair cell nerve like epithelial cells in the ear may respond to vitamin a during cellular differentiation embryogenesis but i dont know if they are still capable of responding in adults if they are capable of responding with new hair growth this would be a very major breakthrough in hearing loss with all of the medical interest in vitamin a it would not be too surprising if a clinical study was done using vitamin a to reverse hearing loss but with only a news announcement to go on and this type of communication is notoriously bad i cant comment on your question anymore than i already have if one study has been done more will need to follow to firm up a link between vitamin a and hearing loss if there really is one marty b baseball bonilla bobby bonilla supposedly use the word faggot when he got mad at that author in the clubhouse should he be banned from baseball for a year like schott medicine request faq hi i have a friend who is interested in subscribing to this newsgroup unfortunatly she does not have usenet access if someone could send her a faq and info on how to subscribe wed be very appreciative if you want to send it to me you can and i will get it to her i do not read this newsgroup regularly though so e mail please thank you jody jody rebecca colby college majors history sociology class o 94 e mail jrgould colby edu samuel paul rutgers edu fantasy music colors and animals will lead this society out of oppression baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1993apr15 214421 1 acad drake edu sbp002 acad drake edu writes i remember reading somewhere that 7 of the league was jewish during the 50s now there is practically nobody guns re 2nd amendment dead good jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes yea there are millions of cases where yoy say that firearms deter criminals alas this is not provable i think that that there are actually few cases where this is so you think wrong ask the fbi theyve got the proof look it up the bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary opponents those who posessa a cool jakcet you want those who would argue with you about a parking space those who would take your woman in short trivial and worthless causes you lie like a snake the vast majority of the 200 million firearms in this country are never used in anger your feelings notwithstanding too much of this has ruined you cause there is no recovery in the near future federal martials will come for your arms no one will help you you are more dangerous to their thinking than the criminal this is your own fault we will overcome the kind of blind pig headed utterly stupid idiocy that you and others spout in a vain attempt to further your own agendas we will make the truth be known despite your best efforts to the contrary the 2nd amendment is dead accept this find another way the second amendment wont be dead unless it is repealed that wont happen ever accept this find another way to try and control others lives because we see you for what you are and we are not fooled mike ruff this above all to thine own s t r i d e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self be true polonius those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin religion 6 apr 93 gods promise in john 16 24 hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name ask and ye shall receive that your joy may be full john 16 24 cars re instead of a saturn sc2 what one thing that everyone is forgetting in this argument over the pricing of the sc1 vs the japanese cars is the saturns no dicker sticker this makes the saturns price low in comparison to the inflated base prices of the japanese competition on paper but in reality one could dicker several hundred dollars off the price of the japanese cars admittedly though here in canada at least the sc2 is in the same price class as the civic si not the sc1 steve hui guns don kates talk on the branch davidians this was posted by lyn bates to the firearms politics mailing list i recently learned that don kates was going to be in boston to give a talk at the harbard law school about the waco situation of course this was all set up after the incident started but long before its unhappy conclusion so yesterday i went to hear him what follows is a rough summary of what i think i heard him say which should not be taken as exactly what he actually said kates started by saying that since he didnt know any more about the fire than the audience did it had just happened the day before he would not discuss that but would concentrate on the original raid koresh definitely was not playing with a full deck but so what this isnt the first time that the leader of a new small religious group has been ridiculed by the public extreme religious views nearly always fuel hatred and mistrust the first amendment applies maybe especially to people like koresh lengthy digression into the history of police organizations in the us there were none until about 1830 when they began in metropolitan areas police originally were not armed if they found a crime in progress they called local armed citizens to help many began to carry arms for protection despite regulations against them eventually the laws were changed to allow them to carry guns the original intent was to have many small police departments jealous of one another and competitive but not large enough to be a threat to liberty hence the plethora of organizations ranging from postal inspectors to the coast guard when the fbi was started agents did not have the authority oto carry guns they were to be after all a bureau of investigation not a police force all police agencies will be misused by anyone in power to maintain that power the batf started as a tax collection agency whose primary job was to raid illegal stills when the price of sugar went up so high that moonshiners no longer found their trade no longer profitable many illegal stills disappeared and the batf needed something else to do to justify its existence so it turned to activities like phony raids on gun stores around the time when the batfs annual budget is under review the media is alerted by the batf to come to such and such a place where at a pre arranged time a bunch of cars full of batf agents roar up to the door and the media get great pictures of the agents entering the premises of a gun dealer suspected of not keeping books properly the media isnt invited in for the boring hours of agents leafing through paperwork but if any irregularities are found the media gets to cover the agents removing armfuls of guns from the premises and the luckless ffl in chains the waco incident happened a few weeks before batfs budget was up for review kates opinion is that it was a staged publicity stunt that went bad and that the batf never thought for a moment that they would actually be shot at or they would have planned the raid differently not sending 100 agents over open ground with no cover for example and would have had some medical personnel on hand he confirmed that some years ago there was a warrant for koreshs arrest in connection with a murder charge and the local sheriff called him on the phone and explained about it koresh sais ok come pick me up and the sheriff did temporarily confiscating all the guns so that they could be tested koresh was later cleared release and presumably got his guns back at least at that time he was rational enough to be approached rationally and behaved in a reasonable manner the batf didnt take into account that unlike most of the ffls they audit koresh was actually paranoid and fostered paranoia in his followers thus the pubicity stunt looked like a real attack to them and they reacted accordingly with respect to the original warrant it had not been unsealed when kates was giving his talk so he could not comment on it except to mention that the batf has been known to not double check the veractiy of their informants if they can manage to get a judge to issue a warrant he had more to say about the way the warrant was served which may have been completely illegal apparently the proper way to serve a warrant is to knock on the door and announce that youre an officer with a warrant for thus and so if they dont open the door and the evidence is flushable then it is ok to break in the door but since it is hard to flush guns down the toilet there may have been no justification for the batf breaking in the way they did if the constitutional rights of the davidians were violated by an invalid warrant or by an improperly served warrant then the davidians may have been justified in their actons a close look at one of the original films shows that one batf agent may have shot himself by accident when entering the building if so this was the first shot fired the role of the media could have been a whole lot worse after an initial position on the side of the batf the media began to come around to the view that this might be a situation in which legally armed citizens held off a bad possibly illegal attack a real cynic might say that the fbi went in when they did because it was clear that public opinion was beginning to change sides and the fbi wanted to act before they lost the publics sympathy should the batf be abolished no police agencies should be numerous diverse inefficient decentralized etc better a few inept accidents like this than a move toward a single large well organized well trained powerful domestic police force which would eventually have even more tragic results lyn bates bates bbn com ps don kates will be giving a shorter version of this talk at boston college law school next tuesday april 27 i dont know the exact time or place but presumably a phone call to the bc law school could elicit that information larry cipriani l v cipriani att com windows re hot key for screen saver louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes well renaming screensavers scr to exe and running them as has been pposted i havent tried changing win ini but should have same effect shows me the setup dialog box butdoesnt enable the saver mickey try exe s s for save screen c for config defaults to c the question is not if a tree falls in the forest and no one sees or hears did it fall but rather how many koalas can that one tree take out tim cpsg com au tim fox cp software pty ltd acn 006 640 133 ph 61 3 823 0222 19 cato street east hawthorn fax 61 3 822 0089 victoria australia 3123 acsnet tim cpsg com au the question is not if a tree falls in the forest and no one sees or windows re visual c it is correct that vc is not considered an upgrade for c7 c7 is basically a dos product vc is a windows product as windows is not an upgrade for dos it is a separate operating system product line its utilities cannot be upgrades for dos utilities however i have also been told that it is not an upgrade for qcwin which it should be in article 735708181 aa00457 therose pdx com don hancock f303 n105 z1 fidonet org don hancock writes my understanding is that visual c is msc8 0 is it not what i mean is it is intended as a logical upgrade to msc7 which i own i am very interested in vc but i cant find anything about it tell me more hows the editor is it a true windows app msc7 which i love is not how are compile times exe sizes how smart is the linker how well does it do dos apps i would like to be one of the few programmers still pumping out stuff for the dos users out there even though i run win3 1 i like the multitasking and i couldnt afford desqview will it link 3rd party libs easily i use lots of 3rd party libs in my dos programs too lazy to do my own interfaces how is the debugger i make lots of mistakes thanx if it wasnt for c we would be using basi pasal and obol blue wave qwk v2 10 david a fuess dir center for eecs phone 510 423 2436 fax 510 422 9343 lawrence livermore national laboratory guns re whos next mormons and jews from article 1r0mhtinna59 cronkite central sun com by dbernard clesun central sun com dave bernard does that include the right to murder little children how about killing atf officers i do not know much about the gun laws in texas but koreshs folks claimed to have grenades grenade launchers and rocket launchers i am not sure that the nra feels that this falls under right to bear arms if the waco wackos truly had grenade launchers and rocket launchers why werent they used against the armored vehicles that attacked their house all the media stated was that small arms ie ineffective fire was used against them i noticed that too special agent asshole actually ricks stated that david koresh had explosives that could blow up an armored vehicle 40 feet into the air it looked like to me that the bds had plenty of opportunity to use these explosives provided that they had them in the first place for example when one of the tanks was injecting cs gas into the ranch house yes ranch house the bds werent living in a fortress they could have easily destroyed or disabled that tank because it was idling there for a considerable length of time so why didnt they do this could it be that they didnt have any explosives or similar munitions i just dont buy what the atf and fbi have been saying hopefully the truth will come out heres something noteworthy after the fire had been burning for some time an explosion occurred just one explosion the media said that this was some of the explosives that the bds posessed going off i dont think this was the case my brother and i noticed that this so called explosion resembled a plume of propane gas being ignited we figure that this is what it was because of how the explosion looked and sounded obviously it wasnt due to something like tnt dynamite or c4 i have seen a propane explosion before the explosion in the ranch house greatly resembled this also i noticed something that looked like a propane tank in the charred ruble the next day isnt it curious that the atf wasnt very forthcoming about how the four officers got killed many weeks had gone by before they stated that some of the officers had been killed and or wounded by grenades thrown by the bds earlier when someone asked one of the spokespersons about whether or not an autopsy had been performed on the slain agents they said that an autopsy had been done but they werent ready to release the findings now why is this does the atf have something to hide perhaps those four agents were killed by friendly fire what is the cause of death exactly no one has ever said what it is what is certain is this atf agents did throw grenades into the compound as a matter of fact mr koresh handed his lawyer a grenade body during one of the lawyers visits to the compound later on the lawyer gave the grenade body i dont know if it was a dud or a spent one btw to the atf how much do you want to bet that this grenade will mysteriously disappear at this point in time the only people we know who had grenades was the atf agents wouldnt it be a shocker if the no one ever found any evidence of grenades rockets or explosives in the rubble the atf would sure have egg on their face then note that the atf is doing the initial sweep of the rubble the fbi and the texas rangers wont investigate until the atf is done this looks like a perfect opportunity for the atf to make sure that others find what they want for them to find if you know what i mean im probably being a little paranoid here but if i am i have could reason to be recall that several weeks had gone by before anyone said that the bds had used grenades also recall that early on the atf had denied that their agents used grenades on the bds someone is lying here scott kennedy brewer and patriot before david koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the bible through the barrel of a gun atf spokesman after the atf is a cheap thug who interprets the constitution through the barrel of a gun me windows re windows hangs on 486dx33 wlieftin cs vu nl liefting w writes hello all you windows freaks out there i bought windows 3 1 dutch version some time ago and run it on a 286 i recently upgraded my computer to a 486dx33 256k cache 4m memory 212m maxtor hd works real fine but not with windows when playing patience sol or minesweeper suddenly the system hangs i just cant move my mouse anymore or screen goes blank nothing further or screen goes blank computer seems to reboot but stops before reaching the end of the memory test once or maybe even twice i got a message about some illegal kernel call or something accompanied by a hex adress and a close button when pressing it the application wouldnt close though i havent experienced this problem with other programs than these but thats mainly because i havent really used other programs i suspect them to hang too anything known about this problem or better any patches available oh forgot to tell if in cmos ram i make the computer faster higher bus speed less wait states enable both caches etc the crash comes faster after 10 min or so if i deliberately slow the system down slow bus speed wait states disable internal external cache no shadowing the crash comes later but comes hope anyone can help wouter hi i got a problem too with a 486dx2 66 vlb 4 mb ram 170mb disk sometimes when i switch on the computer it starts windows 3 1 dutch windows switches to 1024x768 switches back to text mode and exits to dos after one or two resets the system works fine thanks patrick vu amsterdam baseball re jewish baseball players in article mssc5k47z fur netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes polish and jewish are not mutually exclusive i didnt mean to offend or anything im just quoting stanky himself on the subject i remember one time last year he was being interviewed by espn and the interviewer cant remember who asked stanky if he was jewish because he the interviewer was jewish and wanted to see more jewish ballplayers to which stanky replied im polish not jewish so maybe that wasnt the most pc thing for stanky to say and maybe i was a little naive when i posted it i think we should just devote this subject to finding actual jewish ballplayers i myself am jewish and the only ones i ever knew until now were koufax greenberg and blomberg alan windows re why im not using dos 6 anymore regarding the horror stories about dos6 doubledisk and stacker 2 killing hard drives i was wondering if the dos 6 mirror command works on the doubled drive info as well as the normal fat table and partition table if it records the vital doubledisk info then using it daily should go a long way toward protecting yourself against the type of catastrophic failure discussed if it doesnt then shame on microsoft medicine need to find information about current trends in diabetes i looked for diab in my newsrc and came up with nuthin anyone have any good sources for where i can read in particular im interested in finding out more about intravenous insulin injection for hepatic vein liver activation whew wotta mouthful anything that smells like a pointer would be helpful newsgroup mailinglist etc many thanks time flies like the wind fruit flies like bananas steven w orr steveo world std com uunet world steveo everybody repeat after me we are all individuals cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr14 130427 21349 porthos cc bellcore com dje bmw535 nosubdomain nodomain don eilenberger writes in article 1qgi8einnhs5 skeena ucs ubc ca yiklam unixg ubc ca yik chong lam writes hello does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine compartment should i turn clockwise or counter i tried any kind of lubricants wd 40 etc but i still failed do you think i can use a electric drill change to a suitable bit to turn it out if i can succeed can i re tighten it not too tight is it safe without oil leak thank you very much in advance winson i would suggest you take the car to the nearest chevron dealer with your own oil and filter ask for an oil change it will cost less than 10 watch him her do it just from watching someone do a job you will be able to learn and remember the sequence and do it right when you do it yourself the next time besides when he she loosens the drain nut the next time around it will be easier for you if it is stuck use an impact wrench not too much force though use a new washer each time you put the nut back s ssave ole cdac com windows re win nt what is it in article 2bcf2664 3c6a deneva sdd trw com reimert etdesg trw com scott p reimert writes somewhere in this thread it has been said that windows nt tm is a multi user os as well as multi threading etc i certainly havent seen this to be the case there are seperate accounts for each person and even seperate directories if that is desired i dont see an implentation of simultaneuos use though since running any gui over a network is going to slow it down by a fair amount i expect windows nt will be multiuser only in the sense of sharing filesystems someone will likely write a telnetd for it so one could run character based apps but graphics based apps will have to be shared by running the executables on the local cpu this is how things are shaping up everywhere client server architectures are taking over from the old cpu terminal setups note that the next does this you can always telnet into a next and run character based apps but you cant run the gui yeah i know about x windows just havent been too impressed by it iskandar taib the only thing worse than peach ala internet ntaib silver ucs indiana edu frog is frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubacs baseball re why spanky in article 1ql93binn1s5 postoffice1 psc edu boone psc edu jon boone writes spanky is too slow if he were quicker he would still be here but with slaught and tom prince they didnt want to lose prince in order to bring up that 11th pitcher slaught is about as good as spanky and prince is coming along nicely tom prince is a 28 year old no hit catcher think of him as a young dann bilardello i cant begin to fathom why the pirates have been so afraid of losing this guy whos been in aaa most of the last 5 seasons the pirates released kirk gibson last year because prince was out of options then eventually sent prince down anyway and he cleared waivers without a peep hes another year older and still cant hit why do they think he wouldnt clear waivers now why would they care sherri nichols snichols adobe com windows re program manager two questions in 1993apr22 204406 20330 vpnet chi il us lisbon vpnet chi il us gerry swetsky writes 2 can you set up a short cut key to return to the program manager i know ctl esc esc will do it but id rather set it up so i can avoid the task list and get back to the p m with alt f1 you might try the recorder and make a micro i done that to do certain operations in a windows app that didnt have the ability to use a micro it should be in the accessories window the only problem is that it has to be runing for it to work but good luck warren e fridy iii 250 61st street north st petersburg fl 33710 internet wefiii axion palan palantir com 813 384 0584 uucp palan deep6 axion wefiii windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in 14957 news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu kurt bollacker writes brian grier bjgrier bnr ca wrote so to most of the computer users in the world ms product symbolize quality ms has made their life easier and more productive and to them that is quality they do not care about what innovative things ms has done other than to make their life with a computer one heck of a lot easier you may know better than most computer users in this world but that will not change their perception none of this changes the fact that msw3 1 is objectively inferior to its competition this is indeed true i prefer windows nt it is certainly much better than microsoft windows 3 1 dos o wolfgang strobl wolfgang strobl gmd de 49 2241 14 2394 gmd gesellschaft fuer mathematik und datenverarbeitung mbh schloss birlinghoven p o box 1316 include w 5205 sankt augustin germany std disclaimer hpp medicine re patient physician diplomacy in article c4hyou 1iz mentor cc purdue edu hrubin pop stat purdue edu herman rubin writes in article 188 ky3b uucp km ky3b pgh pa us ken mitchum writes ditto disease is a great leveling experience however some people are very much afronted to find out that all the money in the world does not buy one health everyone looks the same when they die if money does not buy one health why are we talking about paying for medical expenses for those not currently adequately covered herman i would think you of all people would could distinguish between health and treatment of disease all the prevention medicine people preach this all the time you cannot buy health you can buy treatment of disease assuming you are lucky enough to have a disease which can be treated a rich person with a terminal disease is a bit out of luck there is no such thing as adequately covered and there never will be and for what its worth ill be the first to admit that all my patients die km guns re cnn report fbi atf killing all americans in article 1993apr22 000020 23999 csli stanford edu cower csli stanford edu richard cower writes cnn just reported the atf and the fbi have begun killing everyone in the united states a press release stated this action was required because bugs had revealed that many people were doing something illegal in their homes and statistical data indicated that those who werent might someday do something illegal an atf spokesperson just before he shot himself stated that this would clean up things once and for all for those of you still unsure whether this is satire the jury is still out also yesterday even though the compound no longer exists the us attorneys office here released formerly sealed documents including a search warrant and related affidavits that authorities planned to use when the siege was over these documents did not include the original warrants the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms had in late february which to this day have never been released one of the documents indicated the agency planned to seek samples of koreshs handwriting not only to verify that he had signed for some gun purchases but also that he espoused certain doctrines hostile to law enforcement and particularly the atf so one of the charges against koresh seems to be contempt of cop he expressed hostility to the batf that chilly feeling in your gonads is perfectly normal folks it should go away in about 51 days the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz that should save them the trouble of subpoena ing samples heavens knows i want to cooperate fully meinherren cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars buick heater controls i have a 71 buick skylark with 148k on it i bought it in california and if itll let me id like to keep it for another year the only problem is these indiana winters my heater controls dont work the car has vacuum operated control switches for the vents right now it is stuck in the vent mode it will blow warm air but i cant switch the air flow to either the floor i can live without this or the defrost i cant live without this i probably could just jam the air deflector to the defrost position but this blows a lot of air in my face and is well kind of like putting a vacuum cleaner in reverse i have taken parts of the dash off and looked at the vacuum system and i think the problem or part of it is with the two diaphragms which control up down and outside inside air flow the diaphragm which controls outside vent in side no vent air is cracked most of the way around and the other one is probably damaged too considering the advanced age of the car two questions 1 is there anything i should be aware of about this other than the fact that i should move from indiana 2 in the event that replacement diaphragms arent available is there a way to fix this thanks for any advice info selah dan lovall physics purdue edu cars re sho and sc in article 1qehi6 ork armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes ok ill give you a few reasons 1 neither car was designed to turn at those speeds 2 neither car was designed to stop quickly from those speeds 3 safety mechanisms were not designed for impacts at those speeds 4 an uncontrolled environment leads to unpredictable circumstances where you might need to turn or stop with no notice do you by any chance own an sho or have access to one such that you would have any idea what it is designed for or how it handles just wondering tom pickett tpickett auspex com or 74616 2237 compuserve com sho goze guns re guns gone good riddance jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes you are loosing loosing well ill avoid the spelling flames and see if this person can make up for it there is no question about it oh theres lots of question about it people are becoming more aware each day that their rights are being threatened so much so that nra membership is growing at the rate of nearly 2 000 per day we are slowly gaining our rightful voice despite the biases prejudices and veiled motives of the liberal media and anti gun politicians we will win of those who vote your cause is considered an abomination no matter how hard you try public opinion is set against the rkba what do you base this on some highly skewed poll conducted by nbc news the same group who faked gm pickup explosions just to make news right this is the end by the finish of the clinton administration your rkba will be null and void tough titty it is true that we face even greater obstacles to our rights betrayed by those lying politicians who swear an oath to protect the constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic but the people will take only so many lies and deceits you had better discover ways to make do without firearms the number of cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause there is nothing you can do about it those who live by the sword shall die by it then the criminals who live by murder shall die by it honest law abiding citizens need have no fear on that count you however will evidently die by or at least in ignorance and the number of firearms self defenses shall spell out our ultimate victory the press is against you the public the voting public is against you the flow of history is against you this is it the flow of history was against the founding fathers but they managed to successfully form the first real free republic on the face of this planet a republic that has become the model for all others to follow the press is against us for its own selfish motivations and the people will soon realize the depths of deceit being spread by that media and nullify its ill directed power the people are with us surrender your arms soon enough officers will be around to collect them resistance is useless they will overwhelm you one at a time your neighbors will not help you they will consider you more if an immediate threat than the abstract criminal i shall never submit to an illegal unconstitutional police state i will take my own vow to uphold the constitution and i shall defend it and my country against a tyrannical government gone mad should it become necessary too fucking bad you have gone the way of the kkk violent solutions are passe avoid situations which encourage criminals then you will be as safe as possible such as it is i will not be your sacrificial sheep and i shall not bow down to you or anyone else who seeks to control my life being an unarmed target is the surest way of encouraging criminals and believe me i shall avoid it as much as possible then i shall be as safe as possible i will answer with violence only when no other option exists but i shall surely answer mike ruff this above all to thine own s t r i d e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self be true polonius those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin guns national crime survey well i dropped by the library yesterday and picked up back copies of the national crime survey 1986 1990 in an effort to examine what it said about self defense with a firearm i havent ground through much in the way of numbers yet but a couple of things jumped out at me first only 1986 and 1987 specify the type of weapon used in self defense 1988 1989 and 1990 refer only to weapon the second is that while assaults rose about 3 from 1986 to 1987 w gun defenses reported fell by almost 25 unless theres an explanation for this im tempted to mark it as a reporting problem and as such going ahead with any examination of the numbers would be a waste of time anybody have an idea what might have cause a real difference and not just a reporting difference the survey doesnt appear to have changed significantly between 1986 and 1987 david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu windows please help an amiga user find comfort in windows by night im an amiga user by day i work with windows id be much more comfortable in windows if i had two things 1 a good personal information manager you know a calendar address book reminder list etc rolled into one clean interface 2 a good file manager microsofts is very poor by my standards how about one that has a left and right window and allows file operations between them being able to launch programs from the same interface would be nice as well as text reading and graphics viewing those who are familiar with directory opus on the amiga know what im looking for if anyone can steer me towards an ftp sight with these programs it would make my transition to windows a lot easier please reply via email as i rarely get to read this group thanks so much why would he be such a jerk i know that he doesnt smoke steve lombardi drugs and he doesnt do cocaine and he doesnt shoot stlombo acm rpi edu smack and he doesnt even drink beer why would he be such a fu ker to me ween why would he be such a jerk i know that he doesnt smoke steve lombardi drugs and he doesnt do cocaine and he doesnt shoot stlombo acm rpi edu smack and he doesnt even drink beer why would he be baseball re bonilla in article mjones 735273896 fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes all of these divisions based on race religion etc make me sick as they should isnt it nice that mlb is finally waking up to their existence isnt it a shame that hiring practices on and off the field have been discriminatory for so long quick name a light hitting black outfielder or 1b who lasted 10 years in the bigs i bet you can name two dozen white ones otis nixon darnell coles henry cotto manny mota a dominican b not all that light hitting 304 lifetime 315 or so in 1966 73 when he did most of his playing c professional pinch hitter after that yes that also gives you jerry hairston billy hatcher beginning 10th year now herm winningham good one lonnie smith not light hitting but a horror in the field not the same thing lots of people are bad ofs gary redus not all that light either 750 ops dion james not 10 year daryl boston 10 year this year vince coleman yeah hes finally started to have a decent obp not 10 year cecil espy not 10 year willie wilson yup gary pettis ok milt thompson 10 year this year gary varsho six year this year ok i admit to taking a quick browse through the major league handbook but only after the first 7 or 8 oh and theres the all time light hitting black outfielder lou brock look it up and curt flood cesar geronimo brock coleman and wilson were hot dog basestealers also lonnie smith that seems to be a special class cfs like pettis and wilson also get more of a break especially if they actually do field well and brock wasnt all that bad a hitter either not until the end there when he spoiled his ifetime 300 ba and again i suspect thatthe problem is lessening over time but if you look at the history of the last three decades there seems to be a clear race based pattern by which utility players and platoon players and lesser talents stayed in the ml far longer if they were white cesar cedeno light hitting 199 hr 793 lifetime ops mainly with houston also latin btw note these guys may not have reached 10 years yet but theyve got to be close likewise for my list oh and a prediction milt cuyler come back in 1999 and well party h h h h h talk roger medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr16 190447 8242 spdcc com dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes in article 1993apr16 155123 447 cunews carleton ca wcsbeau alfred carleton ca opirg writes maybe you missed it amidst the flurry of responses you mean the responses some of which pointed to double blind tests which show no such chinese restaurant effect unique to msg its elicited by the placebo as well many people responded with more anecdotal stories i think its safe to say the original poster is already familiar with such stories presumably he wants hard info to substantiate or refute claims about msg making people ill similarly debunking such claims without doing research whether literature and lab is equally beside the point the original poster no doubt already knows that some people think chinese restaurant syndrome is bogus placebos are all very interesting but irrelevant to the question of what effects msg has you could have real effects and placebo effects people may have allergies in addition yet again the use of this newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters they have substantial knowledge of like youself someone who can read a scientific paper and apparently come away from it with bizarrely cracked ideas which have nothing to do with the use of this substance in human nutrition have you read olneys work i fail to see how citing results from peer reviewed studies qualifies as bizarrely cracked for cites on msg look up almost anything by john w olney a toxicologist who has studied the effects of msg on the brain and on development it is undisputed in the literature that msg is an excitotoxic food additive no its undisputed in the literature that glutamate is an amino acid which is an excitatory neurotransmitter there is also evidence that excessive release of glutamate may be involved in the pathology of certain conditions like stroke drowning and lou gehrigs disease just to name a few this is a completely different issue than the use of this ubiquitous amino acid in foods people are not receiving intra ventricular injections of glutamate tests have been done on rhesus monkeys as well i have never seen a study where the mode of administration was intra ventricular the glu and asp were administered orally some studies used iv and sc intra ventricular is not a normal admin method for food tox studies for obvious reasons you must not have read the peer reviewed works that i referred to or you would never have come up with this brain injection bunk too much in the diet and the system gets thrown off sez you such an effect in humans has not been demonstrated in any controlled studies infant mice and other models are useful as far as they go but theyre not relevant to the matter at hand which is not to say that i favor its use in things like baby food a patently ridiculous use of the additive but we have no reason to believe that msg in the diet effects humans adversely pardon me but where are you getting this from have you read the journals have you done a thorough literature search but youre right mice arent the best to study this on theyre four times less sensitive than humans to msg glutamate and aspartate also an excitotoxin are necessary in small amounts and are freely available in many foods but the amounts added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be encountered in a ny single food wrong do you know how much aspartate or phenylalanine is in a soft drink milligrams worth compare that to a glass of milk do you know how much glutamate is present in most protein containing foods compared to that added by the use of msg the point is exceeding the window of course theyre amino acids note that people with pku cannot tolerate any phenylalanine olneys research compared infant human diets specifically the amount of freely available glu in mothers milk versus commercial baby foods vs typical lunch items from the standard american diet such as packaged soup mixes he found that one could exceed the projected safety margin for infant humans by at least four fold in a single meal of processed foods mothers milk was well below the effective dose read olneys review paper in prog brain res 1988 and check his sources they are impecable there is no dispute impeccable there most certainly is a dispute between who over what i would be most interested in seeing you provide peer reviewed non food industry funded citations to articles disputing that msg has no effects whatsoever steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer hmm com why am i not surprised dianne murray wcsbeau ccs carleton ca windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article strobl 737652964 gmd de strobl gmd de wolfgang strobl writes in 14957 news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu kurt bollacker writes none of this changes the fact that msw3 1 is objectively inferior to its competition this is indeed true i prefer windows nt it is certainly much better than microsoft windows 3 1 dos please apples to apples nt is a beta and as such cannot be accepted as a competitor to win3 1 its not on the market same for os 2 2 1 for a couple or weeks o wolfgang strobl wolfgang strobl gmd de 49 2241 14 2394 btw cute sig brett d sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng uc edu u of cincy catch the cats college of engineering if you can cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in c5hi0b 26c constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article 1993apr13 220105 26409 slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com dan day writes in article 93apr08 202003 27851 acs ucalgary ca parr acs ucalgary ca charles parr writes as a long time motorcyclist i have never understood what posessed auto builders to put delicate controls which must be used with skill and finesse like clutches and brakes on the floor why not hand control its much much easier in the early days neither of these functions had power assist so only legs had enough strength to activate them since then its been traditional and people would have a hard time getting used to anything else well where exactly would you put a hand clutch and brake on a motorcycle its easy the handlebars have a very limited range of turning steering wheels on the other hand turn around and around and around which is fine for electrical relays like your cruise control and airbag but how many of you want to lose your clutch and or brake due to a short circuit shades of the edsel they had pushbuttons in the steering wheel hub that controlled the auto tranny it was very disconcerting to shift into reverse when turning a corner and the wires shorted there are workarounds but theres really no reason to use hand power on a cars clutch or brakes and lightening them to the point that they are finesse controls suitable for hand use would increse the mechanical complexity substantially look at power brakes and non power brakes for an example i saw an experimental car that had a joystick instead of a steering wheel thats about useless imho another automotive oddity is separate keys for trunks doors and ignitions why on earth would you want this i know i dont i want a separate trunk key for security reasons it gives me a totally separate lockable container for door and ignition ehhh the same keys ok i guess james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven baseball the 1964 phillies deja vu after reading my local paper today i found out that the phillies started the 1964 season at 10 2 i am not as old as 1964 but ive heard many talk about the serious choke job the phillies did that season they were ahead of the cardinals by 15 games that season in mid august they managed to lose a bunch from then on and the cardinals took the division 15 games ahead and lost it i hope this season is much different medicine re cure for dry skin in article 1993apr30 035235 26613 pbs org jlecher pbs org writes as a matter of fact i just saw a dermatologist the other day and while i seeing a dermatologist sounds like a very good idea if you are worried about your dry skin don mackie his opinions guns re guns in backcountry no thanks hmm wouldnt manditory saftey classes registration of both the owner and gun and manditory liability insurance be nice for gun owners the two are not the same as i pointed out above there are significant difference between making rules for use on public property and making rules for ownership the other half of the objection is trust similar things to this have been tried in many local jurisdications across the country and have been abused in far too many cases safety classes which are never sheduled never funded or only one or two is held a year for a limited number of participants registration lists in new york chicago and california have been used for confiscation many gun owners would in theory support these planes although the numbers overwhelmingly show that competence is not the problem that intentional misuse is theyve simply seen it abused and are leery of the next person who comes down the pike with a reasonable suggestion theyve already seen abused gun safety classes sound good in theory but they kind of remind me of the literacy tests used in the bad old days to keep blacks from voting they came with the grandfather clause if your grandfather could vote you could vote sort of like the gun safety laws that only let the political ass kissers have guns doug holland medicine re alt psychoactives fyi i just posted this on alt psychoactives as a response to what the group is for a note to the users of alt psychoactives this group was originally a takeoff from sci med the reason for the formation of this group was to discuss prescription psychoactive drugs such as antidepressents tri cyclics prozac lithium etc antipsychotics melleral sp etc ocd drugs anafranil etc and so on and so forth it didnt take long for this group to degenerate into a psudo alt drugs atmosphere thats to bad for most of the serious folks that wanted to start this group in the first place have left and gone back to sci med where you have to cypher through hundreds of unrelated articles to find psychoactive data it was also to discuss real life experiences and side effects of the above mentioned oh well i had unsubscribed to this group for some time and i decided to check it today to see if anything had changed nope same old nine or ten crap articles that this group was never intended for i think it is very hard to have a meaningfull group without it being moderated too bad oh well obviously no one really cares bill claussen would anyone be interested in starting a similar moderated group bill claussen windows roman bmp 11 14 part 11 of 14 mr1865 22dm75u 75u4 0iv g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v mg9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v mg9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v g9v mg9v 0m75u 625 b8e 3 g9s2 wm4qd f0 7exjwz5f 8 ax 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not to start with no methodology or form of reasoning is infallible so theres a question of how much certainty we are willing to pay for in a given context insistence on too much rigor bogs science down completely and makes progress impossible expenditure of sufficiently large sums of money and amounts of time can sometimes overcome this on the other hand with too little rigor much is lost by basing work on results which eventually turn out to be false there is a morass of studies contradicting other studies and outsiders start saying you people call this science my opinion for what its worth is that one sees both these phenomena happening simultaneously in some parts of psychology some subjective judgement is required to decide on the level of rigor appropriate for a particular investigation i dont believe it is ever possible to banish subjective judgement from science my second point though is that highly capable people can often make extremely reliable judgements about scientific validity even when using methodology considered inadequate by the usual standards i think this is true of many scientists and i think it is true of many who approach their discipline in a way that is not generally recognized as scientific within mathematics i think there are several examples especially before the twentieth century one conspicuous case is that of riemann who is famous for many theorems he stated but did not prove later mathematicians did prove them of course i think that for a good scientist empirical investigation is often not so much a matter of determining what is true and whats not as it is a matter of convincing other people people have proposed lots of incompatible definitions of science here but i think the ability to objectively convince others of the validity of ones results is an essential element not that one can necessarily do that at every step of the scientific process but i think that if one is not moving toward that goal then one is not doing science when a person other than a scientist is quite good at what he does and seems to be very successful at it i think that his judgements are also worthy of respect and that his assertions are well worth further investigation in article c53by5 hd news hawaii edu i wrote namely is there really justification for the belief that science is a superior path to truth than non scientific approaches admittedly my question was not at all well posed a considerable amount of effort in a serious scholarly investigation such as i suggested would be required simply to formulate an appropriately specific question to try and answer the science i was thinking of in my question is the actual science currently practiced now in the last decade of the twentieth century i certainly wasnt thinking of some idealized science or the mere use of reason and observation one thing i had in mind in my suggestion was the question as to whether in many cases the subjective judgements of skilled and experienced practitioners might be more reliable than statistical studies since russell turpin seems to be much more familiar than i am with the study of scientific methodology perhaps he can tell us if there is any existing research related to this question in the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lady uhunix bitnet windows re re re challenge to microsoft supporters in article twalls 02vo ncc1701d demon co uk twalls ncc1701d demon co uk tim walls writes from twalls ncc1701d demon co uk tim walls subject re re re challenge to microsoft supporters date mon 10 may 1993 19 23 26 0000 in article 9may93 20570058 vax clarku edu rmohns vax clarku edu writes but i dont want to have to run blasted windows every time i want to delete a tree it is absolutely ludicrous to load a hog like that just to delete some files it would be like requiring a crane to change the tyre on a car you dont and never had to thats what enhanced shells are for remember 4dos and ndos i mean come on you cant expect dos to cover everything from r1 0 microsoft has other projects to work on they want you to move to windows 3 1 then later to win32 and eventually to cairo this way they give you a reason to by deliberately crippling the product surely no oh hold on i guess youre right that certainly stinks of microsoft marketing techniques i dont think they deliberately crippled the project on the other hand it is a technical achievement for what it does considering that it rides on top of dos i mean you get a gui with reasonable speed on a pc with xwindows running on top of linux or something similar youre still gonna need a fast processor re doss death well amen to that but i wish it were a damn sight deader for a dead product its used an awful lot and i suspect its going to carry on twitching for a long while yet which isnt doing anyone any good except for the people who use dos programs which means about 75 or more of the business world mike windows re canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 i edited a few newsgroup from that line dont like to crosspost that much i cant compare the two but i recently got an hp deskjet 500 im very pleased with the output remember that im used to imagens laser and postscript printers at school looks very good you have to be careful to let it dry before touching it as it will smudge the deskjet is slow this is in comparison to the other printers i mentioned i have no idea how the bubblejet compares the interface between win3 1 and the printer is just dandy ive not had any problems with it hope that helps some cindy cindy tittle moore internet tittle ics uci edu bitnet cltittle uci bitnet uucp ucbvax ucivax tittle usnail po box 4188 irvine ca 92716 guns re die koresh die the explanations of federal law enforcement officials about what happened in waco is just another example of the survivors writing the history books to put themselves in the best of a bad light dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com im beginning to look forward to reaching the 100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt at that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds baseball re lets talk phillies in article 1993apr16 060540 27397 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes in article 1993apr15 232551 14817 leland stanford edu eechen leland stanford edu emery ethan chen writes one phrase for you you thanks perhaps its time to start rec sport baseball graffiti where the kiddies can go yell taunts and insults at each other and leave the rest of us in peace sherri nichols snichols adobe com well sherri id agree with you except that most kiddies have more sense than to spew their obscenities in front of a group of adults i try to edit this newsgroup and feed it to one of the local elementary schools they have a group of students that just love baseball and are learning to use computers but im telling you its gotten to the point that i dont even edit the files anymore just read them and throw out the trash and thanks to all you people that think its wonderful to include a swear word or two in your signature files thats really nice i have to read the whole article and then toss it out because of the sig dont get me wrong i know all the words you do and ive even made up some of my own or i wouldnt be able to edit them out but this just doesnt seem to be the place a public forum to spew foul language sorry thanks to all you people that keep in mind there might be some decent young people interested in baseball and computers reading this newsgroup they enjoy your articles phil cars re 6700 for hail damage a record in article 1993apr21 053516 28846 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article 1993apr20 203219 7724 pencom com stecz pencom com writes in article 1993apr19 235711 7285 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes my 90 integra was hit hard in the 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34 ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax aw4x l x mnp m m2yyk9 5 3 u r h sq zp ax ax ax ax 75p 2j 4t8 2 me l 45 1jz dvf2lof2lk 0ic ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax aq vt n2ikqsimd9 oq 4cq9 2ax ax ax max au 75u bp2 eml2j l i2j dk ke r2 e 8 s 45 ax aq3 m6zjbu 3 5 345 bb 1 r5z suq 5 3 8lt 5g tq 3 q 3 r b8f b8f mr g e14di 5u 75u 75u 75u 75u9 2di 2dh0 u8 mk 7q fgo 7o m u14 le fx4hlb 7prg m3j7ps l6b z s t sll1wl ahtg qtid m p yd nwignyu yx x2 v27 he hh ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax 5u 7 s 2 id9 i zsl s3 mm5j 6 ryl 6j ax ax ax ax 2f o 75 020 4 n80 it 5 mo7 mej mk9 o ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax mas qq 9f pne1t w z bhj bhjn m 7ey 7ey 7ey n n n n n n n n mnrhj bhj giz giz gk w wt 1t 1t ei 6ei 6ei 6ei 6ei 6ei 6e end of part 6 of 14 baseball re defensive averages 1988 1992 third base in c5jjrj em3 cs uiuc edu steph cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes compiled from the last five defensive average reports here are the career das for the individual players in the reports stats are courtesy of sherri nichols players are listed in descending order and some comments with some players deleted third basemen name 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 88 92 mitchell kevin 690 0 690 yep that kevin mitchell i never would have expected him in the 1 spot gonzales rene 685 0 685 its no accident that the first two names are 1988 only as with first and second base 1988 was the year of the glove average da was 20 points higher in both leagues than any other year leius scott 653 680 0 672 looks good too bad hes moving to short pendleton terry 692 685 631 689 634 0 667 highest five year regular though hes only had one year as good as kevin mitchell ventura robin 641 647 677 0 657 wallach tim 728 674 600 630 665 0 657 gruber kelly 717 657 580 630 664 0 650 the other elite fielders in the league pagliarulo mike 631 575 744 0 649 this is an interesting line his 1988 figure was slightly below average his 1990 was pathetic and his 1991 was the next best year by anybody part of that may be his mobility 1988 was with the yankees 1990 was with the padres who appear to have a rotten infield 1991 was with the twins and judging by leius and gaetti the metrodome may be a good place to play third williams matt 633 653 656 0 647 add another to the elite fielders list caminiti ken 675 630 653 596 0 642 sabo chris 751 626 616 613 575 0 642 too fielders whose career average may overstate their value i dont know what happened to caminiti judging by the three previous years his low 1992 may be a fluke sabo is merely average however his incredible 1988 best year ever brings his average up a lot buechele steve 647 616 647 681 599 0 635 strange last two years schmidt mike 628 0 628 according to reputation one of the best fielders ever at third base but at the end he was below average average in 1988 was 643 boggs wade 643 659 550 653 634 0 626 boggs has been pretty good i dont know what happened in 1990 but every other year he has been above average usually by quite a bit martinez egdar 621 645 599 0 624 last year a fluke or a portent nl average 643 625 602 623 603 0 619 seitzer kevin 654 583 593 635 0 616 al average 641 612 604 620 602 0 615 why is it that the two leagues usually have defensive averages very close to one another but very different from year to year any ideas jacoby brook 624 621 600 597 0 613 brook is declining hansen dave 611 0 611 magadan dave 609 0 609 jefferies greg 606 0 606 three first time regulars above average in 1992 im not sure why jefferies gets all the grief about his fielding hes never had a good year but while at second he improved to become an average fielder and is an average fielder at third zeile todd 614 593 0 605 zeile on the other hand is a below average fielder each year hes about 10 points below average and its probably not just the park since terry pendleton had excellent das in the three years before this baerga carlos 604 0 604 moving back to second was a good idea hayes chris 601 622 606 574 0 602 so why is hayes supposed to be good defensively hes had a grand total of one year above the league da and was pretty bad last year johnson howard 628 549 611 573 0 588 lansford carney 620 578 594 550 0 587 howard johnson and carney lansford separated at birth to his credit hojo did have one above average year 1990 lansford couldnt even break the 600 mark without the help of the year of the glove hollins dave 577 0 577 good hitter but his fielding needs work sheffield gary 584 567 0 575 not a good fielder blauser jeff 573 0 573 fryman travis 571 0 571 both are better off at shortstop gomez lee 551 542 0 546 two consecutive horrible years for leo camden yards doesnt seem to have helped his fielding any palmer dean 520 0 520 texas slugger debuts with not only the lowest career da but the lowest da at third ever congratulations dean dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu grad student at large it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball cars re warning please read in article 19apr199316162857 erich triumf ca music erich triumf ca fred w bach writes in article c5r1iy 8v0 ssd intel com jrowell ssd intel com janet rowell writes could we plase cease this discussion i fail to see why people feel the need to expound upon this issue for days and days on end these areas are not meant for this type of discussion if you feel the need to do such things please take your thought elsewhere thanks exactly my point there is a lot of hostility to and from teenagers if you follow the news for the northwest usa you will have heard that a group of 20 year old boys barely out of the teens certainly their outlook was developed during their teens just shot and killed an innocent little girl riding in a car in the seattle area when her mother who was driving honked her horn at the car with the boys in it this is really upsetting and makes my stomach turn as it would any parents doesnt your heart just go out to that poor mother teenagers both drive cars and are involved in automotive vandalism and crime maybe someone on this newsgroup has had specific experience in dealing with violent teenage offenders like these kids are at the same it seems sad that people lose all perspective when they here about a case of violence by teenagers for a little perspective how about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local agencies to help children seniors the homeless did you read about all the kids at stanford who spent their spring breaks helping out in inner city areas what about the hundreds of volunteers teenagers and others who worked to clean up the mess after the rodney king riots in la have you gone to your local high school play recently attended the school orchestra performances have you seen how many kids volunteer to pick up trash plant trees do walk a thons how many kids have tried to sell you stuff to benefit organizations they belong to how many girl scout cookies have you bought how many chocolate bars for good causes the media picks up on all the anomalies the sensational what about the wonderful teenagers all over the place who work hard at school get good grades go to college or to work and make a real contribution to our society all humans are teenagers at some time in their lives mother theresa was a teenager and so was geoffrey dahmer it is really sad to see so many people who buy the sensational reporting of the media as some kind of reflection of the world today it is a reflection of what is happening on the outer fringes of our society and nothing more rf medicine data of skull gt from gary concave cs wits ac za gary taylor gt hi we are trying to develop a image reconstruction simulation for the skull you could do high resolution ct computed tomographic scanning of the skull many ct scanners have an algorithm to do 3 d reconstructions in any plane you want if you did reconstructions every 2 degrees or so in all planes you could use the resultant images to create user controlled animation slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein guns re that silly outdated bill was re koresh and miranda in article 1qibs0 flk vela acs oakland edu awesley vela acs oakland edu awesley writes in article 1993apr14 225910 14964 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman writes i since there was no sniper fire doing nothing was equally effective as was yelling stop that of course if one wants to credit the tanks with stopping non existent sniper fire we might was well credit it with stopping an invasion by martians see firearms violence and civil disorders from sri and sniping incidents a new pattern of violence from brandeis universitys lemberg center for the study of violence there was precisely one verified sniper in the 67 riots a drunk firing a pistol out a window actually there was only one confirmed sniper to die in detroit according to sauter hines nightmare in detroit a rebellion its what sources did sauter and hines use in congressional hearings later the newspaper folk admitted that their reports were completely wrong some of their excuses are understandable while others amount to gross negligence then theres their we lied as far as i know they never did the followup so people other than snipers can shoot firemen if they are shooting at snipers cant help blowing big holes in buildings that dont contain sniper nests or worrying about travelling sniper squads is a complete waste of time interesting just curious they do you believe that tanks did blow big holes in buildings in detroit 67 i dont have any relevant knowledge about the counter sniper tactics or what the govt did with the big war toys thats why ive only commented on what they couldnt have accomplished no matter what they did nope the sniper fire was coming from other police guard positions the guard certainly needed to learn but i dont agree with the idea that there were no snipers at all from p 121 of sauter hines despite the force of the national guard in alliance with the army troops the snipers did not stop the snipers boldly lay siege to the fifth precent police station and took pot shots at the seventh firemen were under constant harassment from snipers fired from half closed darkened windows in high apartment buildings and from roof tops not in detroit not during the 60s thats newspaper copy and they admitted later that they were wrong andy medicine wanted rat cell line adrenal gland cortical c i am looking for a rat cell line of adrenal gland cortical cell type i have been looking at atcc without success and would very much appreciate any help thank you for reading this christophe roos institute of biotechnology fax 358 0 4346028 pobox 45 valimotie 7 e mail christophe roos helsinki fi university of helsinki x 400 g christophe s roos sf 00014 finland o helsinki a fumail c fi religion re rosicrucian order s in article 1qsqar n8m usenet ins cwru edu ch981 cleveland freenet edu tony alicea writes in a previous article ba mrcnext cso uiuc edu b a davis howe says on the subject of how many competing rc orders there are let me point out the golden dawn is only the outer order of that tradition the inner order is the roseae rubeae et aurae crucis just wondering do you mean the lectorium rosicrucianum warning there is no point in arguing whos legit and whos not which golden dawn are you talking about which golden dawn how about the original from 100 years ago just for the sake of argument reflecting no affiliation i am going to say that the true rosicrucian order is the fraternitas rosae crucis in quakertown penn any takers no no rosicrucian would ever admit or deny being such wassail grendel grettisson windows re canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 thomas d fellrath 1 nd edu nd edu wrote size is another factor the bj 200 is much smaller but the hp is built like a tank i bet the bj 200 would get damaged first you bet your bippy its built like a tank and not just mechanically either this past weekend we had a nasty thunderstorm and the impossible happened i got a direct lightning strike on my house and to the second floor outlet box into which my faithful deskjet 500c was connected there was a 303 bullet sized hole in the aluminum siding with some solidified aluminum slag dripping from it you could actually see the electrical box through the hole the outlet itself was fried and im still amazed the whole damn house didnt burn down i lost 2 electric garage door openers 2 vcrs 2 telephones all of which were on the opposite side of the house a zyxel u 1496e high speed modem a vga monitor a 1024x768 color monitor the rs232 and parallel ports on my x terminal and a wd lan card in my pc not a good night but the deskjet ran as soon as i found a functioning serial and parallel port to connect to it ted slightly singed rypma hp panacom division waterloo ontario windows 1028x1024 video board hi there i plan on upgrading my monitor and video card to 1280x1024 i have a dx2 66 isa no local bus system i would appreciate if anyone can drop me an email of your experience with high resolution video board monitor thanks ming t lin mlin ichips intel com 503 696 4806 baseball re young catchers in article mssc50dfw 71u netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes at age 23 alomar had a brilliant rookie year true he was limited by injuries in his sophomore season but his numbers both that yaer and the year following were quite mediocre this season the same bill james projects a ba of 265 ops of 675 the same bill james why do you say that it sounds like youre suggesting bill james had something to do with overhyping the kid to death au contraire he was fairly critical of him after his roy campaign noting that he wasnt all world as a catcher or a hitter he called him basically average when everyone else in the media was predicting the next johnny bench or roy campanella both of these young men were highly touted defensive catchers expected to be among the best ever in baseball the reports i read indicate that lopez is very ordinary defensively which reports are those the dodgers options are parrish and hernandez and now only carlos piazza is 24 as long as he continues with his very hot bat they will keep him in the lineup because they need the offensive production when he cools off look for the much better defensive catcher hernandez only 25 to play more i like hernandez a lot but if piazza can catch the ball youve gotta play him imho hes a much better hitter although hernandez isnt a bad hitter right now it sounds like piazza will catch most of the time and hernandez will be candiottis caddy since he can catch the knuckler as long as they play up to their abilities the dodgers could have a very good catching tandem the braves options are berryhill and olson i agree that olson is nothing special but i do think berryhill is better than many people on rsb believe but both the braves catchers are very good defensively calling a game blocking the plate throwing and although they are somewhat weak offenivsively they play on a team that is not so much in need of another big bat i think both are overrated defensively see nichols law of catcher defense but thats something thats difficult to prove or disprove from your viewpoint or mine about the only tangible thing we can look at is opponents sb and thats clouded by how well your pitchers hold runners catchers era is a possibility but its subject to way too many biases as for them playing on a team that is not so much in need of another big bat i disagree here too about the only chink in the braves armor is that theyre weak offensively at several positions cf c 2b ss if belliard plays 1b unless bream and hunter form another super platoon and very weak defensively if blauser plays id like to see the braves give at least one of mel nieves javy lopez or chipper jones a shot but much like the talent rich jays of recent years theyll be conservative and stick with what they have im not saying thats wrong just conservative dave hung like a jim acker slider kirsch blue jays do it again in 93 kirsch staff tc umn edu new quotes out of context not to beat a dead horse but its been a couple o weeks this disappoints me punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence medicine lupus i have a friend who has just been diagnosed with lupus and i know nothing about this disease the only thing i do know is that this is some sort of skin disease and my friend shows no skin rashes in fact they used a blood test to determine what had been wrong with an on going sacro illiac joint problem i am finding a hard time finding information on this disease could anyone please enlighten me as to the particulars of this disease please feel free to e mail me at bytor cruzio santa cruz ca us thanks in advance baseball re phillies sign mark davis does that mean they have to pay his salary didnt they wait for him to clear waivers if not why not davis will be paid by three clubs this year i think the phils are responsbible for about 600 000 or so they didnt wait for him to clear waivers as three other clubs were also very interested in him a gamble yes oh it will as a royals fan i am skeptical they say he pitched well in winter ball he also pitched well at omaha while with kc he just didnt pitch well or even acceptably when in the majors i dont have his atlanta stats but he must not have impressed them very much either what about the year when he got 40 saves in san diego did he pitch well then ok i know he was awful the next year when he went to kc but still won the cy young too for that year medicine foreskin troubles what can be done short of circumcision for an adult male whose foreskin will not retract windows re windows nt faq in article c5dhtf d7p news rich bnr ca gal bnr ca gene lavergne writes i really gives me pause to ask this when i first heard of windows nt i was surprised by the name because it immediately occurred to me that it sounds like a northern telecom product did anyone else notice that by the way bnr see address below is an r d subsidiary of nt see what i mean gal bnr ca gene a lavergne in all of opera i most identify esn 444 4842 214 684 4842 with the character of elektra po box 851986 richardson tx that often worries me usa 75085 1986 opinions expressed here are mine and not bnrs windows nt or wnt can also be derived by the next letter in the alphabet of vms same as hal and ibm you might recall that the chief architect of vms is also chief designer of wnt rajiev gupta rajiev gupta eurocontrol cfmu disclaimer rajiev cfmu eurocontrol be rue de la loi 72 these are my views tel 32 2 729 33 12 b 1040 bruxelles not my companies fax 32 2 729 32 16 belgium cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx s in a previous article smith ctron com lawrence c smith says in article c5v6md kyp usenet ucs indiana edu mliggett silver ucs indiana edu matthew liggett writes v16 must be one somewhere believe bugattis coming has out one something like 4 turbos and mucho macho hp one cool price too as i heard at any rate the point is im pretty sure there is indeed one in production tho rather limited this is no bugatti its labeled a bugatti but has nothing to do with the bugattis of yore from what i understand just some ppl wanting to build a silly supercar and use that name to sell it drew may be thinking of the cizeta morodor v16t but that hasnt reached production at least not yet as for the bugatti well i have to agree with matt it aint the top dog it aint sexy and svelt looking and it aint a real bugatti in fact it looks like its in tight competition with the consulier for the most butt ugly car of the decade award it isnt that bad at least the bugatti eb110 has compound curves compared to the slab sides on the consulier and the bugatti has a quad turbo v 12 thing of it as 4 three cylinder turbo engines tied together also ettore bugattis nephew is on the board of directors and had a hand in the development so thats about as much bugatti as you are likely to get in todays world much like enzo ferraris illegitamate son being allowed to take over part of ferrari as well i dont know of any cars with v4 but there are a number of motorcycles with them but i couldnt tell you which ones all motorcycles look alike to me d thats funny i have motorcylclist friends who say the same about cages most gp 500cc motorcycles are v 4s and the vf line of hondas were all v 4s from the vf 400f through the vf 1000f including the rc30 race bike and the present vfr 750f it should be noted that lancia built a v 4 in recent history in the fulvia hf a very pretty italian coupe al bowers dod 900 alfa ducati hobie kottke blad iaido nasa well goodness sakes dont you know that girls cant play guitar mary chapin carpenter baseball cub fever kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes cub fever is hitting me again im beginning to think they have a chance this year what the heck am i thinking sorry just a moment of incompetence ill be ok really orin bradley u you sure this maybe a chronic syndrome if it persists we may have to banish you to the cub crazy sanatarium in north chicago rob cars re top 10 reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired in article 1993apr6 195710 24227 cs tulane edu finnegan navo navy mil writes in article 1993apr6 180456 17573 magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article 1993apr06 133319 7008 metrics com tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes chints iscs nus sg writes here are another ten reasons why we should all love cr 10 car salesmen love their new car buying service 2 and later on buying a cr idealized family sedan and my number 1 1 the spectacle of the religious fervour of the cr true believers or the spectacle of macho real men who would never bother to read the magazine but are more than apt to criticize it hey im a macho real man and i do read it so i can criticize it all i want especially since i pay for the publication they accept no outside advertising dont you know john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasnt it the black adder relying on consumer reports to pick your automobiles is like letting field stream select your living room furniture kenneth finnegan navo navy mil no one should ever rely on just a magazine to determine what car they buy i dont care what magazine btw i subscribe to three other auto rags i just think cu is getting a bum rap by these macho men from hell who think real men should read statements like what you said above have no meaning people keep on saying cu is only good for dishwashing detergent or as you said relying on consumer reports is like and that is all they say if there were as critical of themsevles as they are of cu maybe there would be some real content john john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasnt it the black adder baseball sid fernandez i read this morning that sid fernandez left last nights game with stiffness in his shoulder does anyone have any information as to the extent of the injury if indeed there is one or weather the cold air in colorado just got his joints a little stiff thanks for the help ray miller disclaimer cub chopin jpl nasa gov all opinions are strictly my own i once spent a year in philadelphia i think it was on a sunday wcfields cars horizontally opposed boxer engines was v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article 1993apr24 125621 7311 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu brian j queiser writes there are two crank configurations for the flat 4 the most common one is probably the crank that is very similar to the i4 crank which flat 4 engines have i4 style cranks comparing those two engines the i4 and the flat 4 have no first order shaking forces or rocking moments the i4 has a second order shaking force while the flat 4 has a second order rocking moment the significant thing about the flat 4s second order moment is that it can be easily balanced out by adding mass at the ends of the crank the i4 however requires a counter rotating shaft with mass to balance out the second order forces i am 99 99 sure that subaru and porsche use the boxer configuration and not the inline 4 crank that you analyzed and compared would you care to re evaluate the other case of a flat four i think that this configuration is perfectly balanced as far as primary secondary forces and couples are concerned i have an article in front of me that says so bottom line the biggest difference between the engines would probably be their intended use the flat 4 is easier to fit under low hoods and in rear compartments for mid or rear mounting the i4 can be mounted transversely to reduce hood length read cab forward other than that there isnt much fanfare to the differences between them no matter what subaru ads say technology shared with porsche indeed the flat four is also shorter than an inline 4 so even if it is mounted longitudinally it will not take up lots of length and a longitudinal placement is easier for a 4 wheel drive drivetrain i think that subarus ads hold water in practice their flat fours are noticeably smoother than inline 4s and completely buzz free though some may not like its peculiar note but as alfa has shown a boxer four can produce a spine tingling scream that only the likes of recent hondas can approach eliot cars re mr2 noisy engine in a previous article eliot lanmola engr washington edu eliot says in article 1r1vofinn871 usenet pa dec com tomacj opco enet dec com thunderbirds are go writes are there any mr2 owners or motor head gurus out there that know why my mr2s engine sounds noisy the mr2s engine is noisy at the best of times but not even a nice nose its one of those very ugly noises assuming yours is a non turbo mr2 the gruffness is characteristic of a large inline 4 that doesnt have balance shafts i guess toyota didnt care about little details like that when they can brag about the mid engine configuration and the flashy styling myself i automatically cross out any car from consideration or recommendation which has an inline 4 larger than 2 liters and no balance shafts it is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind if you ever want a halfway decent engine if the noise really bugs you there is nothing else that you can do except to sell it and get a v6 eliot nice theory too bad the mr2s never came with a four cylinder over 2 0 liters more like 1 6 or did they were the nonturbo mr2iis 2 2 or some such i also understand that anyone using balancing shafts on four cylinders must pay saab a royalty for using their patented design like porsches 3 0 i4 c ya drew cars re anti theft devices in article 99948 rphroy ph gmr com rhaar gmr com bob haar writes in article 3056 kocrsv01 delcoelect com jdmooney kocrsv01 delcoelect com john d mooney writes someone writes btw somebody stole the front grille off my beat up 1983 nissan sentra a few weeks ago i couldnt believe it im just driving around without it now years ago my brother lived in a rough area he left his nova parked on the street in front of his house for a few days one day he went to move it back into the driveway it wouldnt start seems some industrious fool needed a nova gas tank the fool found one under my brothers car the engines in vw beatles are quite easy to remove without entering the car or even opening the engine compartment how would you like to find that your car wouldnt start because the engine was stolen i would probobly feel a hell of a lot poorer a gas tank is about 50 in a junkyard an engine more seriously though my other brother darrell left his vw on the same street someone stole the radiator out of it try finding a vw radiator in a junkyard i dare you jd john d mooney delco electronics general motors jdmooney kocrsv01 delcoelect com opinions expressed are mine not necessarily des or gms medicine re persistent vs chronic in article 10600 blue cis pitt edu doyle pitt edu howard r doyle writes chronic persistent hepatitis is usually diagnosed when someone does a liver biopsy on a patient that has persistently elevated serum transaminases months after a bout of acute viral hepatitis or when someone is found to have persistently elevated transaminases on routine screening tests the degree of elevation in the serum transaminases can be trivial or as much as ten times normal other blood chemistries are usually normal as a rule patients with cph have no clinical signs of liver disease chronic active hepatitis can also be asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic at least initially and thats why its important to tell them apart by means of a biopsy the patient with cph only needs to be reassured the patient with cah needs to be treated i just went back to the chapter in cecil on chronic hepatitis it seems that indeed most cases of cph are persistant viral hepatitis whereas there are a multitude of potential and probable causes for cah viral drugs alcohol autoimmune etc physicians seem to have a variety of thresholds for electing to biopsy someones liver personally i think that if the patient is asymptomatic with only slight transaminitis and normal albumin and pt one can simply follow them closely and not add the potential risks of a biopsy others may well biopsy such a patient thus providing these samples for study it would be interesting to see if anyones done any decision analysis on this kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer baseball mike greenwell and mo vaughn stat help dear anybody i am in rochester ny where people can look at a rangers penguins playoff game and say no joke i heard it hey whats this oh its not even the ahl its just the nhl i think because of this e get red wings orioles aaa stats and updates but no al or nl stats specifically im looking for red sox stats so far id like all of them but could handle just greenwell and vaughn can anybody please help me wizard ec003b uhura cc rochester edu guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article mvpc5rp8n 3ts netcom com mvp netcom com mike van pelt writes in article 16bb5124a0 pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu david veal writes be cute if koresh hit the trail maybe he was bodily assumed into heaven wouldnt that just make ag renos day snort i sorta doubt it however no bodies by the time this message gets out theyll doubtless have found bunches but wouldnt it be interesting if they had a tunnel and are long gone if they hadnt killed the atf people in the original raid i think i would laugh my ass off actually to be honest i still might ryan baseball sandberg runs rbis was re notes on jays vs indians series in article c5jm0m 6jw cs dal ca niguma ug cs dal ca gord niguma writes alomar fans left rbi fans and runs off this list because they are dependant on the team to a large extent if frank thomas hit first hed lose a lot of rbis and anyways how many 2nd place hitters have you known to drive in 100 runs doesnt happen that often very unlikely with devon whites 300 obp in front of you im pretty sure that sandberg has done this at least once i know someone will correct me if im wrong rbis and runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics you can talk about obp and slg all you want but the fact remains the team that scores more runs wins the game flame away john bratt gord niguma fav player john olerud religion re that kill by sword must be killed by sword in article 20apr199306173611 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu stephen wrote tional as that is for so many one direct benefit is being able to keep things in perspective ks such as who hurts more the ones who died or the loved ones who are left besides the lessons its also time for many to grieve including those whove lost their faith in others or in god im learning to be patient and let things heal god willing christians through ages have had to learn to be patient i do think its time to face the reality the events during the last 52 two days showed what the world is really like kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1993apr20 143255 12711 mcs kent edu mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu the lawnmowerman writes this is genocidal mass slaughter of innocent people including children is this guy serious if he would ever really pay attention to the news oops i forgot that the media for the most part loves to jump right on top of a story before all the facts are known as well as to manipulate what we see and thus what we believe besides a majority of these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit sp oh then i guess that shooting those kind of babies is all right you sick bastard cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars re v4 engines in article 1993apr26 234514 8418 kronos arc nasa gov chucko freud arc nasa gov chuck fry writes in article 1993apr23 183318 4635 ll mit edu singer ll mit edu matthew r singer writes didnt the saab sonnett have a v4 i recall someone telling that it was something like 1 2 of a ford 289 not only the sonett correct spelling but the 95 wagon and 96 sedan used a 1500 cc or 1700 cc v 4 from ford of germany this particular motor had a 60 degree vee angle a balance shaft and siamesed exhaust ports this motor was later stretched into the v 6 commonly seen in the capri i think it was the reverse the v4 being 2 3 of the v6 the v 4 could make pretty reasonable power for its size but in the saab it made too much torque for the transmission which had been designed for a 3 cylinder 2 stroke it was also the worst engine that ford europe have ever made bloody awful reputation its most successful application being the transit van saab gave up with this motor and then made the triumph 1854 half a stag v8 under license i believe but with 2 litre capacity and perhaps a different arrangement for the cylinder head studs before developing their own straight four from the triumph kevinh hasler ascom ch windows re capturing screen shots in article 23712 acorn co uk i wrote i am trying to capture some 256 colour screenshots from windows currently i have tried pressing print screen to copy the screen to the clipboard then paste the clipboard into the windows paint package many thanks for the replies i received to this a couple of people suggested how i could get the paint package to work properly but in the end i took the advice of someone else to try paintshop pro from cica indiana edu thanks again philip practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty windows re trident vga drivers in article c5y66r fgp cs mcgill ca bjcon cs mcgill ca brendan newman says hi i have a trident tvga 8900 video card and need the updated drivers for win3 1 where can i get them from an ftp site i have the same card tvga 8900c when i checked the latest driver for windows 3 1 is dated aug 92 in garbo uwasa fi in win31 drivers video if you find a better version updated please let me know thanks azmi axh113 psuvm psu edu medicine sweets syndrome my brothers affine has recently been diagnosed with sweets syndrome also called steroid resistant sweets syndrome this syndrome started after she had had iodine 131 treatment for hyperthyroidism shed been reluctant to have treatment for the hyperthyroidism for many years and apparently started to show exaustion from it i understand that she may still be testing high in thyroid level but shes isnt being treated by an endocrinologist her previous endocrinologist bowed out when she entered the hospital she entered the hospital because of the sweets syndrome symptoms skin lesions ive looked through the last two years of medline and didnt find an abstract mentioning a correlation between thyroid and sweets i checked a handbook which said that sweets was associated with leukemia id like a reccomndation for experts who are in new york city or who travel to new york city for the sweets and perhaps for the endocrinology any information that might help apparently there hasnt been much improvement in her condition over the past several months jackie baseball re and americas team is but why in article c5p3yr gh2 news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes the defenition of the underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend the 69 mets and 89 orioles are prime examples uh i dont think you can call a team with tom seaver jerry koosman and nolan ryan on the pitching staff a team that has no talent they did come out of nowhere but some of the improvement was forseeable greg religion re new biblical contradictions fallaciously answered judas i produced an error last week about chorion by the way mr decenso you really should have looked in the index of your bauer arndt gingrich greek lexicon you would have found that the word in acts for lot is kleros not chorion as stated by mr archer and nowhere in the very large discussion of kleros in done the to theological dictionary of the new testament by bromley is the meaning burial plot discussed it discusses the forms of kleros eg kleros kleroo etc and the various meanings of kleros eg plot of land and inheritance but mentions nothing about chorion or burial plot why does this not surprise me thus it would seem to be a very good thing you dumped archer as a reference i was wrong i admit that i do not have a handle on greek grammar and thus confused kleros the second to last word in acts 1 17 as being the plot of land discussed in actuality it is chorion which is the last word acts 1 18 unfortunately my greek dictionary does not discuss chorion so i cannot report as to the nuances of the word i abhor publishing trash i abhor it of myself even more than i do from others but since i do not present myself as an authority on the subject i do not feel dishonest though i do openly admit ignorance and incompetence in this example thus i felt honor bound to do a better set of research specifically on the word first it should be noted that greek grammar is not as tough as i first assumed it is not nontrivial by any means and i still am not competent with it but it is not as opaque as i had thought it turns out that while the index for the bauer arndt gingrich greek lexicon renders each verse in order each word within a verse is put in greek alphabetical order thus while the the meaning of the verse is decipherable the syntax is far from clear on the other hand a greek english intralinear bible makes things a lot more comprehendable and yes the word for field in acts 1 18 is indeed chorion now ive checked several greek english lexicons greek english lexicon of the new testament louw and nida robinsons greek and english lexicon of the new testament greek english lexicon of the new testament grimm word study concordance tynsdale a greek english lexicon of the new testament and other early christian writings bauer arndt gingrich the new analytical greek lexicon perschbacher in each case the meaning of the word chorion was given variously as a space place region district field area country place land farm estate a bit of tillage and similar meanings nowhere do any of these books mention anything about grave as some of these books go into great detail i would be very surprised to find that these books are all inadequate and mr archer is the only competent scholar in greek i think it more likely that mr archers investigations into contradictions to be once again as your friend said it lacking in substance and thus archer is again shown worthless as an expert witness by the way mr decenso i would have honorably presented my results on this matter even if i had found them to support mr archers contentions by the way among these lexicons eg robinsons is the definition of agros the word used in matthew 27 to describe the field bought the word agros is defined as a field in the country chorion is specifically noted as a synonym to agros this is significant as it is evidence of how silly bullingers exegisis was which stated that the word for field in matthew ie agros is different from the word for field in acts ie chorion and thus we must be talking about two different fields of course you already admit how stupid bullingers exegisis is but this was a small serendipity which drives the point home so as of now unless mr decenso show compelling reasons to believe otherwise eg a reputable scholar with reputable references i consider this particular issue closed see mr decenso now you can go on to answer questions about the denials of peter the day of the crucifixion tyre and the fact that the author of matthew quoted from the wrong prophet in discussing the potters field later dave butler precise knowledge is the only true knowledge and he who does not teach exactly does not teach at all henry ward beecher american clergyman as recorded by george seldes medicine hicn611 medical news part 3 4 cut here once a year for a lifetime video kit this kit includes a 25 minute vhs videotape that presents common misconceptions about mammography it tells of the benefits gains by the early detection of breast cancer jane pauley and phylicia rashad are the narrators kit includes a guide poster flyer and pamphlets on mammography this kit is available directly by writing to modern 5000 park street north st petersburg fl 33709 9989 additional resources combined health information database chid a computerized bibliographic database developed and managed by agencies of the u s public health service it contains references to health information and health education resources the database provides 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should be done significance of results and other diagnostic tests and treatments 16 pages lo que usted debe saber sobre los examenes de los senos this booklet in spanish explains the importance of the three actions recommended by the nci to detect breast cancer as early as possible requesting regular mammography getting an annual breast exam from the doctor and performing a monthly breast self exam 6 pages hicnet medical newsletter page 36 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 preguntas y respuestas sobre la seleccion de un centro de mamografia this brochure lists questions and answers to ask in selecting a quality mammography facility patient education anticancer drug information sheets in spanish english two sided fact sheets in english and spanish provide information about side effects of common drugs used to treat cancer their proper usage and precautions for patients the fact sheets were prepared by the united states pharmacopeial convention inc for distribution by the national cancer institute single sets only may be ordered datos sobre el tratamiento de quimioterapia contra el cancer this flyer in spanish provides a brief introduction to cancer chemotherapy 12 pages el tratamiento de radioterapia guia para el paciente durante el tratamiento this booklet in spanish addresses the concerns of patients receiving radiation therapy for cancer emphasis is on explanation and self help 48 pages hicnet medical newsletter page 37 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 aids news summaries aids daily summary for april 19 to april 23 1993 the centers for disease control and prevention cdc national aids clearinghouse makes available the following information as a public service only providing this information does not constitute endorsement by the cdc the cdc clearinghouse or any other organization reproduction of this text is encouraged however copies may not be sold copyright 1993 information inc bethesda md april 19 1993 absence of hiv transmission from an infected orthopedic surgeon journal of the american medical association 04 14 93 vol 269 no 14 p 1807 von reyn c fordham the risk of hiv transmission from an hiv positive surgeon to patient is extremely low provided that the surgeon strictly adheres to universal infection control procedures write c fordham von reyn et al of the dartmouth hitchcock medical center in lebanon n h the researchers contacted 2 317 former patients on whom an hiv positive orthopedic surgeon performed invasive procedures between january 1 1978 and june 30 1992 the orthopedic surgeon voluntarily withdrew from practice after testing positive for hiv a total of 1 174 former patients underwent hiv testing representing 50 7 percent of patients on whom the orthopedic surgeon performed invasive procedures during the 13 5 year period patients were tested from each year and from each category of invasive procedure all patients were found to be negative for hiv by enzyme linked immunosorbent assay two former patients reported known hiv infection prior to surgery the examination of aids case registries and vital records neglected to detect cases of hiv infection among former surgical patients the estimated cost of the initial patient notification and testing was 158 000 with the single most expensive activity being counseling and testing this accounted for 37 percent of the total expense the patient notification and testing were conducted while maintaining the confidentiality of the orthopedic surgeon who was an active participant in the planning and execution of the study notifying patients of the infected surgeons hiv status is both disruptive and expensive and is not routinely recommended the researchers conclude investigation of potential hiv transmission to the patients of an hiv infected surgeon journal of the american medical association 04 14 93 vol hicnet medical newsletter page 38 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 269 no 14 p 1795 smith rogers audrey et al the risk of hiv transmission during surgery is so remote that it will be quantified only by gathering data from multiple methodologically similar investigations writes audrey smith rogers et al of the johns hopkins university school of medicine in baltimore md the researchers identified a total of 1 131 persons in hospital databases who underwent invasive surgical procedures between 1984 and 1990 and for whom the hiv positive surgeon was listed as the operating surgeon the aids case registries were reviewed for all patients having undergone invasive procedures and death certificates were obtained among the 1 131 patients 101 were dead 119 had no address 413 had test results known and 498 did not respond to the questionnaire no study patient name was found in reported aids case registries one newly detected hiv positive patient was determined to have been most probably infected in 1985 during a transfusion there was no hiv transmission in 369 person hours of surgical exposure suggesting that hiv transmission to patients is unlikely to occur more frequently than once per 1000 person hours of surgical exposure the researchers determined there is no evidence to suggest that the surgeon failed to adhere to standard infection control guidelines over 50 percent of the patients with invasive procedures chose to be tested and of those whose results were revealed only one person was found to be infected with hiv the study patients infection was probably the result of a tainted blood transfusion received in 1985 as a result there is no evidence that the transmission of hiv from the hiv positive surgeon to any patient transpired the researchers conclude april 20 1993 drug concerns to share aids data new york times 04 20 93 p c10 kolata gina a total of 15 major pharmaceutical companies have decided in a highly unusual move to share aids drugs and information while the drugs are undergoing early clinical testing dr edward scolnick president of the merck research laboratory in rahway n j arranged the collaboration he said that cooperation between companies seemed increasingly significant as it had become clear that combinations of drugs were likely to be more effective in fighting hiv than any drug used alone the researchers are hopeful that hiv when faced with a combination of several drugs requiring mutation at different sites for resistance to develop will be unable to evolve all the mutations at the same time therefore several drugs taken together or one after the other could halt the spread of hiv currently the drug companies do not know what other drugs their competitors are developing the new agreement allows companies to routinely exchange animal data and safety data on new aids drugs an agreement like this will greatly facilitate hicnet medical newsletter page 39 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 companies ability to choose the best drug combinations much faster and in a much more efficient way said scolnick he also said that the collaboration would not violate antitrust laws in creating the agreement merck spoke frequently to members of aids advocacy groups including act up dr daniel hoth director of the division on aids at the national institute of allergy and infectious disease said were delighted to see the pharmaceutical industry take this step because we think that increasing the information flow will likely accelerate the discovery of better compounds for aids related stories wall street journal 04 20 p b1 philadelphia inquirer 04 20 p a3 usa today 04 20 p 1b the next step in aids treatment nature 04 08 93 vol 362 no 6420 p 493 maddox john although azt was found to be ineffective in prolonging the lives of people infected with hiv the findings do not indicate that azt should not be administered in people with full blown aids writes columnist john maddox azt has been used in the united states in asymptomatic hiv positive people on the basis that administration of the drug appeared to abate the decline of t cell counts however a report in the lancet demonstrated that azt should not be used early in the course of disease while the cd4 counts of the 877 people given azt were consistently greater than those of patients receiving only placebo the first three years of follow up have shown that the proportions of people in the two groups progressing to overt aids or even to death were not significantly different at roughly 18 percent the conclusions are that azt is not an effective aids drug in hiv infected individuals and that cd4 cell count may not be a reliable proxy for the progression to aids in infected people but nothing is implied by the study of the utility of azt in the treatment of those in whom symptoms have already appeared there is no case for abandoning that treatment at least on the evidence now available it is much more alarming that the cd4 count has proven to be an unreliable mark of the efficacy of drug treatment in hiv infection aids researchers should acknowledge hiv is alive from the beginning of infection and turn it into a workable assay of the progress of disease the general application of such an assay will probably in itself provide a better understanding of the pathogenesis of aids concludes maddox infective and anti infective properties of breastmilk from hiv 1 infected women lancet 04 10 93 vol 341 no 8850 p 914 van de perre philippe et al a vaccine preparation inducing a persistent immune response of the igm type in the mothers body fluids could be valuable to prevent transmission of hiv 1 from mother to child write philippe van de perre et al of the hicnet medical newsletter page 40 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 national aids control program in kigali rwanda the researchers hypothesized that transmission of hiv 1 through breastmilk could be favored by the presence of infected cells by deficiency of anti infective substances in breastmilk or both factors a total of 215 hiv 1 infected women were enrolled at delivery in kigali rwanda milk samples were collected 15 days 6 months and 18 months post partum hiv 1 igg secretory iga and igm were assayed by western blot for the latter two after removal of igg with protein g in the 15 day and 6 month samples the researchers sought viral genome in milk cells by double polymerase chain reaction with three sets of primers gag pol and env at 15 days 6 months and 18 months post partum hiv 1 specific igg was detected in 95 percent 98 percent and 97 percent of breastmilk samples iga in 23 percent 28 percent and 41 percent and igm in 66 percent 78 percent and 41 percent in children who survived longer than 18 months the risk of infection was associated with lack of persistence of igm and iga in their mothers milk the presence of hiv 1 infected cells in the milk 15 days post partum was strongly predictive of hiv 1 infection in the child by both univariate and multivariate analysis the combination of hiv 1 infected cells in breastmilk and a defective igm response was the strongest predictor of infection igm and iga anti hiv 1 in breastmilk may protect against postnatal transmission of hiv the researchers conclude april 21 1993 firms to share aids research in global venture journal of commerce 04 21 93 p 7a a total of fifteen u s and european pharmaceutical companies announced tuesday they will swap drug supplies and information on early stage aids research to hasten the search for combination therapies to fight hiv infection and aids the companies said the unusual move resulted primarily from the increasing concentration of aids research on combination therapies since realizing that hiv is likely to develop resistance to every individual aids drug edward scolnick president of merck co research laboratories led the collaborative effort that took a year of negotiations to come together said participants in addition to merck the other companies involved in the inter company collaboration for aids drug development are bristol myers squibb co burroughs wellcome glaxo inc hoffman la roche eli lilly co pfizer inc smithkline beecham ab astra du pont merck syntex inc boehringer ingelheim miles inc and sigma tau the participants said that all companies involved in aids drug development they were aware of had joined the collaboration and that any company actively involved in hiv anti viral development may participate scolnick said the collaborators would most likely meet every couple of months for a daylong scientific meeting where they will review for one another their preclinical hicnet medical newsletter page 41 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 and early clinical data the american foundation for aids research amfar was pleased with the news of the collaboration which it hopes will lead to the development of drug combinations that will reduce viral resistance related story financial times 04 21 p 1 guidance over hiv infected health care workers lancet 04 10 93 vol 341 no 8850 p 952 horton richard the united kingdoms department of health recently followed the advice of aids experts that there is no scientific reason for routine hiv testing among health care workers following recent highly publicized reports of health professionals who contracted hiv the department issued revised guidelines on the management of such cases dr kenneth calman chief medical officer said doctors dentists nurses and other health care workers have an ethical duty to seek advice if they have been exposed to hiv infection including if appropriate diagnostic hiv testing he said infected health care workers should not perform invasive procedures that carry even a remote risk of exposing patients to the virus the guidelines end of part 3 internet david stat com fax 1 602 451 1165 bitnet atw1h asuacad fidonet 1 114 15 amateur packet ax25 wb7tpy wb7tpy az usa na medicine re candida albicans what is it in article 1993apr19 084258 1040 ida liu se davpa ida liu se david partain writes someone i know has recently been diagnosed as having candida albicans a disease about which i can find no information apparently it has something to do with the bodys production of yeast while at the same time being highly allergic to yeast can anyone out there tell me any more about it candida albicans can cause severe life threatening infections usually in people who are otherwise quite ill this is not however the sort of illness that you are probably discussing systemic yeast syndrome where the body is allergic to yeast is considered a quack diagnosis by mainstream medicine there is a book the yeast connection which talks about this illness there is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article mekenkamp 6 737653432 stpc wi leidenuniv nl mekenkamp stpc wi leidenuniv nl leo mekenkamp writes excuse me are you one of those people who enjoy working w win come talk to a house mate of mine and tell him how productive his life is when he encountered yet another sudden appearence of the dos prompt while cutting and pasting in win or an empty win screen without any tasks running i e esc brings up an empty list progman has done it again sigh dont know what your roomate is doing but it must be something wrong are there people who enjoy using windows yes ill admit to it given a choice between a mac and windows i choose windows every time to start another flame thread 9 iskandar taib the only thing worse than peach ala internet ntaib silver ucs indiana edu frog is frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubacs guns re non lethal alternatives to handguns douglas craig holland holland cs colostate edu writes lostsa crap deleted trim your articles what about guns with non lethal bullets like rubber or plastic bullets would those work very well in stopping an attack last i heard non lethal was a bit of a misnomer for these things jason democrat give us your money well solve your problems republican give us your money well ignore your problems libertarian keep your money solve your own problems steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu medicine re centi and milli pedes in 1993apr29 112642 1 vms ocom okstate edu chorley vms ocom okstate edu writes in article 35004 castle ed ac uk gtclark festival ed ac uk g t clark writes msnyder nmt edu rebecca snyder writes does anyone know how posionous centipedes and millipedes are if someone was bitten how soon would medical treatment be needed and what would be liable to happen to the person just for clarification i have not been bitten by one of these but my house seems to be infested and i want to know just in case rebecca millipedes i understand are vegetarian and therefore almost certainly will not bite and are not poisonous centipedes are carnivorous and although i dont have any absolute knowledge on this i would tend to think that youre in no danger from anything but a concerted assault by several million of them g not sure of this but i think some millipedes cause a toxic reaction sting so i would not assume that they are not dangerous merely on the basis of vegetarianism after all wasps are vegetarian too dnc as a child i can remember picking up a centipede and getting a rather painful sting but it quickly subsided much less painful compared to a bee sting centipedes have a poison claw one of the front feet to stun their prey but in my single experience it did not have a lot of bite to it a medicine re frequent nosebleeds in article 1993apr17 195202 28921 freenet carleton ca ab961 freenet carleton ca robert allison writes does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency my younger brothers each tried a skin transplant thigh to nose lining but their nosebleeds soon returned ive seen a reference to an herb called rutin that is supposed to help and id like to hear of experiences with it or other techniques rutin is a bioflavonoid compounds found among other places in the rinds of citrus fruits these have been popular especially in europe to treat capillary fragility and seemingly in even more extreme cases a few months ago a friend was visiting from italy and he said that hed had hemorrhoids but his pharmacist friend sold him some pills incredulously i asked to look at them and sure enough these contained rutin as the active ingredient i probably destroyed the placebo effect from my skeptical sputtering i have no idea how hes doing hemorrhoid wise these days the studies which attempted to look at the effect of these compounds in human disease and nutrition were never very well controlled so the reports of positive results with them is mostly anecdotal this stuff is pretty much non toxic and probably inexpensive so theres little risk of trying it but i wouldnt expect much of a result steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer guns heres the number to call for ca bills i made a few phone calls today and found that if you call the bill room at the sacramento state capitol you may order free of charge any bills that are currently being pushed i was told that they will only fill an order of five bills per phone call but when i asked kindly and told the nice lady that it was very important she filled my order for ten california state bill room 916 445 2323 subject re need senate bill numbers and house resolution numbers sorry i forgot to include this in my previous letter but we also have to worry about state bills these are the ones that i am currently aware of sb 292 sb 247 sb 67 sb 89 sb 180 ab 117 ab 155 ab 166 ab 482 ab 501 my thanks to bob hale for providing the bill numbers peter d nesbitt air traffic controller pnesbitt mcimail com oakland bay tracon cbr600f2 pilot nra member ccx1380f s w 41 magnum carrier hey i fixed my sig file baseball re best homeruns dswartz osf org dan swartzendruber writes in article 4200419 hpcc01 corp hp com boell hpcc01 corp hp com donald p boell writes id have to say the most impressive hrs ive ever see came from dave kingman and his infamous moon raker drives i remember one he hit circa 1976 at wrigley field that went across the street in dead center field and hit a house on the roof he whiffed a lot but when he did connect watch out my favorite was the barry foote homer that bounced on waveland and through a second floor window across the street second though would be the kong drive that was last seen bouncing down the street that dead ends to the park at waveland mike timlin timlin spot colorado edu baseball re hbp bb big cat in article c5srg2 cpt odin corp sgi com kubey sgi com ken kubey writes i didnt say that pitchers fear of throwing strikes to guys like mcgwire bonds and frank thomas was rational i just said that it exists but why mcgwire and not carter i can see some justification for bonds or thomas because they tend to have higher batting averages but the major difference i see between mcgwire and carter is that carter doesnt draw walks why arent pitchers afraid to throw strikes to carter sherri nichols snichols adobe com guns cnn for sale w k gorman 3 maybe nows the time for us the nra goa ccrtkba saf et al to band 3 together and buy cnn as our voice wouldnt that be sumpin broadcast 3 the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro gun item or two 3 i would like to see this happen i dont think it will i dont 3 think the average gun owner will take any notice of what is happening 3 until they break down his door 3 but i will go on record publicly to the effect that i will contribute a 3 minimum of 1 000 00 to the buy out fund if it can be organized and made 3 viable anybody else want to put their money where their mouth is 3 there ar 50 million gun owners out there if and its a big and 3 not very realistic if we got hold of cnn the anti gun bullshit would 3 stop right there why wont it happen because nobody will get off their 3 ass and make it happen nuts any nra headquarters weenies listening to this man any rtkba organization honcho listening its time to stop fighting the bradys and the schumers now theres an interesting meaning to the acronynm bs from the comfort of the office we had better get serious with our time and money and get after it or we might just as well pack it in now olx 2 2 gun control advocates must have had a sanity by pass ye olde bailey bbs 713 520 1569 v 32bis 713 520 9566 v 32bis houston texas yob sccsi com home of alt cosuard guns re boston gun buy back in article 8110356 hpfcso fc hp com ron hpfcso fc hp com ron miller writes from urbin interlan interlan com mark urbin rm just a short thought when you ask the question of the authorities or sponsors of buyback programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer no its total amnesty please note that the 50 given for each firearm in the boston buy back will not be in cash but money orders how much total amnesty can you get if you leave paper trail behind in the latest case in denver they were giving away tickets to a denver nuggets basketball game how traceable is a money order i dont know havent used one in 20 years money orders operate pretty much like checks with both parties being supposed to sign them i assume youd have to show the buy back people an id and youd then have a money order made out to that id as far as traceable as a practical matter i dont know it would depend on whether they bother to computerize who the recipients name is on the money order and bother keying that sort of thing in id say certainly the police and the buyback people would keep a record of who they gave money orders out to is that even an issue if the weapons arent checked for being stolen there might be some questions asked i suppose if somebody brought in a number of weapons each time over a series of buy back programs david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al religion re part 1 and part 2 re homosexuality hudson athena cs uga edu paul hudson jr writes in article m0njxcg 0000vec juts ccc amdahl com rich bellacera amail amdahl com writes why dont we just stick to the positive and find ways to bring people to jesus istead of taking bullwhips and driving them away certainly we should not use a bullwhip to drive people from jesus but we shouldnt water down the gospel to draw people in very well put and in the case of someone who calls himself a christian brother yet continues in his sin and claims that his sin is not a sin at all but perfectly acceptable what should be done should christians just ignore a sinful lifestyle in order to not offend the person by reaffirming that the lifestyle is sinful according to the bible are they using a bullwhip to drive people from jesus frankly i find the occurance of a homosexual christian attempting to pass himself off as a straight christian in order to have other christians accept his chastisement better a lot more serious than people reaffirming that the bible teaches homosexuality is a sin walter guns re riddle me this in article 1993apr20 050550 4660 jupiter sun csd unb ca j979 jupiter sun csd unb ca fuller m writes yet the fbi mouthpiece at this afternoons press conference characterized the quantity of cs gas pumped into the building as massive and speculated that after a few hours of exposure any davidian gas masks would become useless does this sound not harmful to you hm a previous poster argued that the fact that the bds did not rush to escape the burning building indicated that it was they and not any of the government actions that started the fire on the other hand i wonder if with a face full of massive amounts of cs i would be able to escape a burning tinder box like that ranch house assuming my best efforts cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet windows re win nt what is it in article 2bcf2664 3c6a deneva sdd trw com reimert etdesg trw com scott p reimert writes somewhere in this thread it has been said that windows nt tm is a multi user os as well as multi threading etc i certainly havent seen this to be the case there are seperate accounts for each person and even seperate directories if that is desired i dont see an implentation of simultaneuos use though scott it certainly is multi user what i have seen from the march beta is that it doesnt yet come with the stuff which exploits multi user features i remember somebody from ms stating that it doesnt allow two users share one gui my interpretation of this was that one user per console but all the networking and rpc based stuff you want i believe ftp and rlogin deamons for nt systems will come from third party somebody already has a beta version of an unsecure ftpd on the net there is no reason why one cannot write a posix based shell like csh on unix for remote logins in general i liked nt when i checked it out it slow compared to win3 1 just like any other real os the beta version although being slow botts up much faster than my sun workstation windows subsystems also start up a lot faster than x windows i believe bill gates was right when he stated that nt was not for everybody after playing around with it for a while i was convinced if i owned a busines using a business computer from ibm or some other established vendor i would consider moving to nt platform because it would provide a much cheaper solution if you are running sql servers etc it provides the robustness such an application requires on the other hand if you like your dos games more or less forget about nt you can always boot to dos but in general that defeats the purpose of using nt most of nts features are visible in a networked environment and in such an environment you cant reboot your machine at will for personal use i would rather wait for the win32 based windows release whatever you name it than jump to nt bandwagon i expect most applications will keep on using win16 until win32 becomes widely available sadun anik u of illinois at urbana champaign center for reliable and high performance computing e mail anik crhc uiuc edu religion re info about new age in article 1qvnu9 a8a geraldo cc utexas edu hawk ccwf cc utexas edu writes greetings could anybody here give me any information about new age religion about the history the teachings or may be suggestions what books i should read in order to get those info any help would be greatly appreciated contact watchman fellowship p o box 171194 holladay ut 84117 1194 ask for their book the new age and space age heresies the new age in our schools baseball re players overpaid ted franks list of underpaid players was this p juan guzman 500 p mussina 400 p castillo 250 p eldred 175 p rhodes 155 p militello 118 rp rojas 300 rp beck 250 rp melendez 235 rp hernandez 185 rp nied 150 c rodriguez 275 c piazza 126 1b thomas 900 1b bagwell 655 2b knoblauch 500 2b barberie 190 3b gomez 312 5 3b palmer 250 ss listach 350 ss pena 170 lf gonzalez 525 cf lankford 290 rf r sanders 275 of plantier 245 what do all of these players have in common they do not qualify for arbitration they were never free agents its called the reserve clause look it up and a year from now we will whine about how several of these guys are way overpaid and getting outrageous raises in arb humbug king sparky banaian no taxes no new taxes kbanaian pitzer claremont edu no old taxes we are taxed dept of economics pitzer college enough rep alan keyes latest 1993 gdp forecast 2 4 please run alan medicine re krillean photography ttrusk its mcw edu thomas trusk writes but to say youre an atheist is to suggest you have proof there is no god to be a politically correct skeptic better to go with agnostic like me as a self proclaimed atheist my position is that i believe that there is no god i dont claim to have any proof i interpret the agnostic position as having no beliefs about gods existence grant edwards yow are we there yet my rosemount inc mind is a submarine grante aquarius rosemount com guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r8vg9 rl5 bigboote wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it for heating purposes because of the weather in texas everyone now claims that it was for cooking stop and think about this this whole thread is rediculous who cares if they had a stove going or not does it matter if they had a stove burning or lanterns burning or candles burning or someone smoking etc etc etc the premise is that the fbi was filling the house with napalm so that it would catch fire this is crazy fbi was not pumping napalm into the davidians home you will have to have pretty damn strong evidence to convince me of that i can believe mass suicide murder by koresh i can believe an accident by the davidians i can believe an accident by the fbi i can easily believe mass stupidity on all sides but i can not believe that the fbi lit this fire intentionally no way chris bartz chrisb natinst com guns re ban all firearms in article 1qc5sa obl pandora sdsu edu chiu io nosc mil francis chiu writes a note on the lighter side ive noticed most gun banners some of my friends included are the one who make comments that indicate they are more likely to resort to violent so are they really banning guns so they wouldnt end up shooting someone else could be it is also likely that since they feel they are more likely to resort to violence they have a hard time believing that anyone else would react otherwise david olson dlo drutx att com well i did say well put it out and well put it out when we can but i dont know what we can put out or when we can put it out george stephanopolous baseball re why is barry bonds not batting 4th in article 1993apr22 192035 23822 hpcvaac cv hp com paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen writes in article 1993apr21 032427 22464 leland stanford edu punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi writes 2 having bonds batting behind williams means that matt will get more good pitches to hit this is important since he struggles so much with breaking balls opposing pitchers dont want to walk williams to get to bonds i have to wonder if this good hitter behind you argument is really valid has anyone done a study on this paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard 503 750 3511 you want a study look at matt williams the year after mitchell was gone look no further not a scientific study but itll show the truth for matt besides bonds wants to bat 5th tim if you want an actual analysis of batting order look up analysis of baseball batting order by monte carlo simulation by freeze journal of the operations research scoiety of america no 22 1975 medicine re pregnency without sex in article 8frk1ym00vp5apxl1q andrew cmu edu gabriel d underwood gabe cmu edu writes i heard a great civil war story a guy on the battlfield is shot in the groin the bullet continues on its path and lodges in the abdomen of a female spectator lo and behold as the legend goes both parents survived married and raised the child who turned out to be a real son of a gun religion re rosicrucian order s in a previous article cdcolvin rahul net christopher d colvin says i worked at amorc when i was in hs ok so you were a naive teen he hs lewis dates back to the 20s wrong 1915 and if you do your homework 1909 but he was born last century 1883 right now amorc is embroiled in some internal political turmoil no it isnt cars re warning please read in article c5joit e31 bcstec ca boeing com neil bcstec ca boeing com neil williams writes as long as were on the subject several years ago myself and two others were riding in the front of a toyota pickup heading south on interstate 5 north of seattle wa someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our windshield not by accident im sure it was impossible to get up to the overpass quickly to see who did it we figured it was kids reported it and left a couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company he was in his mid fourties and left behind a wife and children turned out there was a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away they caught the 14 year old that did it they put a cover over the overpass what else could they do execute the juvi on the grounds of the reformatory required attendendence by the rest of the inmates as soon as possible after the incident and a quick sure trial i am quite serious cause and effect nothing else will ever make a dent i dont think ill over forget this story neil williams boeing computer services bellevue wa me neither tom mackey 206 865 6575 tomm voodoo ca boeing com boeing computer services uunet bcstec voodoo tomm m s 7k 20 p o box 24346 seattle wa 98124 0346 guns batf fbi revenge jason kratz writing jk if they had rocket launchers and such as the press and gov claims why jk shouldnt they have done something what possible use would a religious cult jk have for a rocket launcher also is child abuse covered by the bill of jk rights this is taken a little out of context and im not flaming jason its just that this was the proverbial straw i grow a little weary of the allegations here the media people on the street that the bds had all these horrible illegal weapons and other paraphenalia of destruction capable of blowing tanks 50 feet into the air and then without missing a beat discuss how the bds willfully commited mass suicide or killed their own less fanatical and then commited mass suicide etc etc if the bds had all these things and intended to blow up their abode blow up waco blow up the entire country or whatever suits your fancy what happened to all the violence they were supposed to unleash why wouldnt they have gone out in the proverbial blaze of glory and come out shooting with an attitude of lets take as many of those dogs as possible with us instead they seemed to have preferred death to whatever they thought was in store for them at the governments hands its totally immaterial whether they were all crazy all fanatics all followers of the antichrist haters of the government practicers of weird lifestyles or whatever they must have felt that they were being pressured into renouncing their beliefs however how strange or lunatic those beliefs might appear to you and me there is much precedent for such devotion to cause my conclusion at this point is that the authorities seriously misread their danger to society else why did the bds not do as suggested above and or chose this incident to make some heinous point or satisfy some internal agenda up to and including ag j renbo using this as an opportunity to assert her manhood some people really do believe it is better to die than be subjected to what they perceive as the godless government when i force myself to not judge others by my own personal standards and beliefs i can almost admire their stand i surely believe in the constitution but i dont know that i have such strength of conviction as evidenced by the bds olx 2 2 obesa non cantatis ye olde bailey bbs 713 520 1569 v 32bis 713 520 9566 v 32bis houston texas yob sccsi com home of alt cosuard religion re ignorance is bliss was is it good that jesus died in article f1682ap quack kfu com pharvey quack kfu com paul harvey wrote in article sandvik 170493104859 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes ignorance is not bliss ignorance is strength help spread the truth of ignorance huh if ignorance is strength then i wont distribute this piece of information if i want to follow your advice contradiction above cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net guns photographers removed from compound relay of coverage seen there was a press conference by authorities at the compound on cnn earlier today wednesday it was explained that two news photographers were found on the compound earlier this morning without permission it was explained to the press corps that this is dangerous and that an unknown photographer turning around with a long lens camera could be mistaken for someone dangerous by a texas ranger surveying the site the two photographers were said to be currently in jail and the press were warned to follow the authorities guidelines it was also emphasized that the survey of the crime scene at this point was crucial and that the press could not be allowed to interfere the press will not be allowed in until the bodies are removed and the site has been completely surveyed for evidence for a court case that is the gist of the beginning of the conference to the best of my memory i bring this up because i havent seen anyone else note it and i havent seen the regular newscasts mention it it will probably be mentioned in the papers tomorrow my opinions i find this disturbing while i believe that koresh is largely responsible for not ending this standoff in a peacable manner during the last 51 days of patient opportunity i find the secrecy surrounding the aftermath more damaging to the authorities position than they realize since the vast majority of potential defendents in a court case are already dead the emphasis on the importance of building the court case seems overblown to me it will be interesting to see the hearings on this affair i have also heard congressional calls for a review and possible overhaul of government enforcement agencies which you will recall i have stated would be a good idea in previous months please also note that i by no means endorse or agree with the many conspiracy type theories i have read here and in other groups as usual i am basing my opinions on info gathered from various media and filtered by my own common sense and consideration of plausibility imho as such my opinion is subject to change as more information is made available scott roby standard disclaimer baseball re best homeruns in article 1qn6tqinnmnf senator bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes in article 1993apr16 172502 2301 osf org dswartz osf org dan swartzendruber writes the best home run i have ever seen came off believe it or not roger clemens sorry val a couple of years ago he threw a ball to incaviglia which was literally at inkys neck and he absolutely hammered the crap out of it after the swing clemens nonchalantly motioned for a new ball he didnt even turn around to look or even get upset the ball hit the lights in the left field standard some 70 or so feet about the green monster over 100 feet above the ground total truly an amazing shot i was at that game behind home plate next to a scout who was manning the radar gun the 1991 season was winding down and roger didnt have his best fastball topping out at 88 90 in contrast to frank tanana who went as low as 50 with one lollipop in the process of striking out phil plantier five times on the night inkys shot would have gone further than any ive ever seen if it hadnt crashed into the lights not the lightstand as you say over 100 feet high roy hobbs like and bounced back onto the field that had to have been a 525 footer if unobstructed edging out bo jacksons drive off oil can boyd to the top of the centerfield bleacher back wall in 1988 for the best ive seen personally i was sitting under that one glenn waugaman digital equipment corporation littleton ma g waugaman nac enet dec com windows dlls and registerclass createwindow hi all i have a dll in which i register a class and create a window of that class type both calls require a module instance handle hinstance petzolds 3 1 book says that it is best to use the module instance handle of the calling program not the module instance handle of the dll page 934 i have two questions 1 is there a way to find out the module instance handle of a module 2 what are the possible problems with using the instance handle of the dll thanks in advance mike mike smith e mail m smith ma30 bull com bull hn information systems inc phone 508 294 2049 300 concord road ma30 815a fax 508 294 3807 billerica ma 01821 usa baseball re yankkes 1 game closer my god hope we dont have to put up with this kind of junk all season in article 002251w 5 734117130 axe acadiau ca 002251w axe acadiau ca jason walter works writes the n y yankees are now one game closer to the a l east pennant they clobbered cleveland 9 1 on a fine pitching performance by key and two homeruns by tartabull first m l baseball to go out this season and a three how many home runs by tartabull just 1 right you must be thinking of dean palmer or juan gonzalez both of texas who each had 2 homers run homer by nokes for all of you who didnt pick boggs in your pools tough break he had a couple hits and drove in a couple runs with many more i dont know how many to follow but he was 1 for 4 go yanks mattingly for g glove and mvp and abbot for cy young spare us please windows re winbench 3 11 help graphics comparison in article 1pqd9hinnbmi zephyr grace cri nz srg3sir grv grace cri nz writes in article c4zogd c56 news udel edu swyatt bach udel edu stephen l wyatt writes i have a question about winbench pc labs thing 3 11 i have a 386 33 and a ahead b 512k card and got these results windows vga driver 2 44 million ahead b 640 480 256 driver 455 000 winmarks windows svga 800 600 16 driver 1 68 million winmarks i was thinking about upgrading to a diamond 24x card i read it had about 8 million winmark on my 386dx 33mhz 4mb ram winbench 2 5 24x v2 02 16 7m 1 668 274 v2 03 16 7m 1 668 985 v2 03 16 4 602 428 v2 03 256 7 635 278 be very careful with these results as i recall numbers from winbench 2 5 are calculated differently from 3 1 and so these figures are not comparable however to answer stephens question replacing the ahead b card with a diamond 24x will yield a cost effective dramatic speed increase for windows that or the ati graphics ultra plus greg franklin franklig gas uug arizona edu baseball re ive found the secret in article 1993apr15 161730 9903 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes why are the red sox in first place eight games into the season they already have two wins each from clemens and viola clemens starts again tonight on three days rest huh clemens pitched last on saturday giving him his usual four days rest whats up are the sox going with a four man rotation is this why hesketh was used in relief last night brian curran mead data central brian meaddata com i didnt think i shouldve been asked to catch when the temperature was below my age carlton fisk chicago white sox catcher on playing during a 40 degree april ball game medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article 1quqlginn83q im4u cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes my definition is this science is the investigation of the empirical that avoids mistakes in reasoning and methodology discovered from previous work reading this definition i wonder when should you recognize something as being a mistake it seems to me that proponents of pseudo sciences might have their own ideas of what constitutes a mistake and which discoveries of such previous mistakes they accept kristoffer eriksson peridot konsult ab stallgatan 2 s 702 26 oerebro sweden phone 46 19 33 13 00 e mail ske pkmab se fax 46 19 33 13 30 or mail swip net kullmar pkmab ske cars re its a rush was re too fast in article 1993apr19 230010 4937 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article c5r43y f0d mentor cc purdue edu marshatt feserve cc purdue edu zauberer writes in article 5265 unisql uucp wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes remember roads in america are not designed for speeds above 80 meaning they would be safe at 55 65 roads like the autobahn are smoother straiter wider and slightly banked well thats news before 1975 the speed limit on texas highways was 75 the speed limit on the new jersey turnpike i 95 was 70 there were no speed limits in nevada or montana i guess i wasnt clear enough here i said the roads were designed for speeds of 80 or so and still be safe the current 55 65 will add a saftey margin actually the roads were designated as safe at 80 when they were built in the 1950s taking into account the kinds of cars then available the number would be much higher today because the cars tires and just about everything else has imprivoved a lot i believe the interstates were origionally funded as part of a national defense plan etc the requirements were to move heavy army trucks at 70mph still its amazing in germany you can have cars traveling 155 mph and 65 mph on the same 3 to 4 lane road around washington dc they cant keep traffic flowing at 55 dirk windows roman 02 14 part 2 of 14 m0 cxt 27m x x cbn c24e x x cx x rbn hkc goc n mbc xs r6oc3c xj ea bn s gbe r6 ksyxksbhi86 y y r 8 my sys ct s x s3n c cx s ua y sc c 8c c gcx y m x scx c s x x cx scx c cx x c cx cx m x oc x c cx scx s x cx x scx scx cx cx c mcx cx scx c cx ori 1ri z0 k d2 o mc8 ck d zrck v i v im m k ck 3hz0 c8v umv k rchz mc8 7 rg rck8 lis fw8v k 3i m lhz cho t z ck simrck8 t ci v k v hod9 1 cho shz08 chz m 9 zai z 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mfyl cz kjz b c n fyn fyn fyn fymkfy1 t w t w wt7 17 m x7 uww w1 w a85w w x5 w87 a4 w w uw w x5w m0 2 w 2 w w w x5ww uw t a uww uw0 uw w a7 w0 ca7 ww v m uw w 0 71a uww7 w117 ww w w11 w w7 w45 t t w7 mw w t44 17 144 w3p 5 t47 1 1 t w45 1 ecp w 199s m qst44 t98 w3p 7 1 w t u t w1t99 w3p 7 w3p s t w mw w1145 w3p 4 p 7 1 1 4 w44 q w mw9 1t w w 1 u 4 t7 147 t7 w44 p 5 17 w ecqs m p 17 616t v p sqm 7 8 8 efum is y9s 7 m p v c v i mqr iqr 1 l i 6do chz lk rchz i 1rb zd3j1v o ck y ri8 shz mrck8rlj1rci d3hz ck rd z ck d zd3hz 9 1rfdz ff1aff1d mak d d6eiq u u l puqs4u 7v bqt 1xu 2pl q pkh ngvz m 2zgvznkhf7 i lb8f7 zlkjz ajznahflki nb ahf ajz kjznb9r mlah k z k r k fng g nkjr ah nb8 nai k fnl z729 nb9 u mngu ngutkh vz770lay 35 bq r 7u q lqrpuqs7 ei 1 m d36 d 6f d3kqx 1 l z lj1d9 i lk b 1d c d3k8 ck v k mrlk 6tzrg mrlk v i lk ftz c ri9srg 8v 6 w 8 vw rfw v c8 end of part 2 of 14 religion re to rob lanphier brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes kent with regards to the information contained in the bible which is the original context of this thread brian kendig is inside a huge wall brian is inside the bible and the information contained therein are outside the wall um i think you and the bible are the ones inside the wall theres a really wonderful world out here you really should peek out at it sometime the silly things you keep saying only reinforce the fact that we are on opposite sides of a very high wall i see how incredibly beautiful things are on my side and i only keep telling you about it because id like to you come join me here brian kendig proves this very sad fact by the absurd things he says for example if i get through into the firey pit i will cease to exist i never said that i said that i would prefer to cease to exist than to be tossed into any gods version of hell i am proposing to brian brian come up here and take a look from this vantage point but brian replies i rather not thank you i am content where i am besides the vista from up there stinks and in the meanwhile brian ignores the facts that he has never up there nor does he realize i had shared the same plateau where brian now stands you say to me brian come up here and take a look from this vantage point but youre in a valley looking at a crayon drawing of a sun and a tree and i cant for the life of me figure out why youre so immersed in it i m the one trying to get you to come up here dont you see brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau cars re info opinions wanted on cars in this article in article c5st37 hf3 ns1 nodak edu bell plains nodak edu robert bell writes in article 1993apr13 182100 26650 magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article 49071 fibercom com rrg rtp fibercom com rhonda gaines writes im in the market for a new car currently i own a 90 mazda mx 6 dx which has served me just fine however id like to get a 4 door car since i dont relish the thought of moving a carseat around in a 2 door car my criteria are 4 door a c am fm cassette quick acceleration cruise control decent rear seat legroom my husband is a 6 footer it must also be under 20k preferably closer to the 11 15k range which will probably rule out the accord the 93 cars that have caught my eye are toyota corolla toyata camry mazda 626 pontiac grand am pontiac grand prix honda accord and civic if its roomy enough and still comes in a 4 door model hyundai sonata and maybe even a small oldsmobile although not the achieva all opinions benchmarks recommendations etc are welcome the civic does still come in a 4 door model my wife and i looked quite seriously at the 626 prizm corolla and civic as well as some other cars our impressions all three seemed well built and had the features we wanted these are similar to the features you want except for cruise control and we want a manual transmission and are considering anti lock brakes i also hate automatic seatbelts and we both think having an airbag is a plus in general comfort and performance were both significant some specific s and s are listed below mazda 626 very comfortable and roomy can theoretically get abs on dx model though in practice this is hard to find base price for base model includes numerous little things like tach variable speed wipers rear defroster 60 40 split folding rear seat more expensive than many other cars listed below honda civic dx gets significantly better mileage than other cars listed here comfortable front seat adjustable seat belt mounting no abs without ex model includes 1000s of other things like a sunroof geo prizm toyota corolla seats not very comfortable to us your mileage may vary adjustable seat belt mounting can get abs without lots of other extras saturn sl2 was quite comfortable though sl1 less so motorized attack belts dodge spirit no real outstanding s but seemed generally ok rear seat does not fold down chevy corsica comes with abs standard lower would you buy that car again and safety ratings in consumer reports than first 3 cars above suspension didnt feel as stiff as the others this would be a for some the honda accord and toyota camry were both more expensive than the 626 and in our minds not significantly better we probably gave disproportionately low consideration to the big 3 due a to my wifes familys general dislike of chrysler products b some unimpressive gm products owned by my parents and a housemate of mine c the taurus comes with automatic transmission i find the seat of the tempo very uncomfortable and the escort has attack belts and no air bag well probably end up with a 626 i saw a 626 dx with a c and cassette advertised for just under 12800 washington post april 14 i think and my local dealer says they can match that price i will probably get the 626 maybe tomorrow the main question in my mind is whether or not i will have to do a factory order or preference order to get one with abs and whether or not the dealership will run the price up a lot if i do so cars re sho and sc in article 1993apr16 193553 27118 mksol dseg ti com a207706 moe dseg ti com robert loper writes in article c5l8re 28 constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article 1993apr15 232412 2261 ganglion ann arbor mi us david ganglion ann arbor mi us david hwang writes i would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic transmissions from all performance type cars like the 5 0l mustangs camaros and the like wed cut down on the number of accidents each year autos are fine for sedate little sedans but they have no business in performance cars imho james i have to disagree with this i have a 92 z28 with a 350 and a 4 speed auto w overdrive and it is really better that way chevy autos are reknowned for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power i live in the dallas area and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic here now if i still lived out in the sticks like i used to a manual would be more fun i dont know if its as much an issue of their ablility to handle the power as it is the power they lose in the torque converter etc safety wise an auto is less distracting i would hate to have to be shifting gears while i was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here performance wise i can hold my own against any stock 5 0 mustang or 5 0 camaro w a five speed however if you encounter a 93 formula with 5 7l 6 speed manual youll be sol im afraid btw i know of what i speak as a former owner of a 5 7l auto iroc 1989 and current owner of the aforementioned car chris s chris silvester any man capable of getting himself elected president chriss sam amgen com should by no means be allowed to do the job chriss netcom com douglas adams the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy medicine re broken rib hello i think you are probaly right in spite of the movement it is getting better each day cheers jc oneb almanac bc ca john cross the old frogs almanac home of the almanac unix users group 604 245 3205 v32 public access usenet 604 245 4366 2400x4 vancouver island british columbia waffle xenix 1 64 guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu bill green writes just to shed some light on the fire it was widely reported ap etc that there were several witnesses to bd folks starting the fires it has also been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once which rules out a bradley knocking over a lamp etc as the cause the only folks claiming this are the atf fbi who have an interest in putting the blame on the bds wake up what i would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident i believe the moves made were right and proper but i still have some problems with some of the tactics after watching the abc special on it tonight as well as cnn and nightline i question some of the atf and fbi actions right and proper how it was fubar from day 1 1 could it have been possible to have taken koresh outside the compound at some time before the feb 28th raid from all independent sources yes 2 could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome it would have hurt nothing to wait and the result could hardly have been worse 3 were fbi actions blaring loudspeakers etc the right course of action sure it you want to someone you claim is a dangerous paranoid even more paranoid and a few other questions like i said i believe the actions taken in general were proper but i still have some reservations one other point im no fan of janet reno but i do like the way she had the balls to go ahead and take full responsibility seems like the waffle boy had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue and what makes you think that waffle boy didnt tell her to take the wrap it was job preservation not balls wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu i speak for myself only clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema guns re guns in backcountry no thanks in article 1993apr16 174436 22897 midway uchicago edu pkgeragh gsbphd uchicago edu kevin geraghty writes wrong about the whole guns for protection mindset it ignores the systemic effects of cumulative individual actions if you want fire insurance on your house thats prudent and it has no effect on me but if you and a bunch of other paranoids are packing handguns in the backcountry it makes me and anyone else who doesnt chose to protect himself in this manner pretty f king nervous why if youre not a threat youre not affected at all i mean take this to its logical conclusion suppose we all carried handguns all the time for protection from all the other people carrying handguns would we collectively be or feel safer hell no wed feel a lot more insecure why i note that the available psych info says that feelings of security increase the victimization stats say that that increase is rational another systemic effect of all the good people protecting themselves is that the bad people are going to modify their behavior in response yes they are but how theyre going to be much itchier and much more willing to kill people in the course of routine muggings if they think their nope that doesnt happen instead the switch among those who change behaviors to property crimes thats an improvement even if the economic take is unchanged sure not everyone switches but they were killing before andy medicine lymenet newsletter vol 1 09 lyme disease electronic mail network lymenet newsletter volume 1 number 09 4 26 93 i introduction ii announcements iii news from the wires iv questions n answers v op ed section vi jargon index vii how to subscribe contribute and get back issues i introduction in this issue of the newsletter we learn of the cdcs announced concern for the resurgence of infectious diseases in the united states thanks to jonathan lord for sending me the upi release the cdc announced they would feature a new series of articles in the morbidity and mortality weekly report on these infectious diseases ld is one of them we will keep you up to date on this series in addition we feature a the wall street journal article on the legal issues surrounding ld we also look at lymes effects from the perspective of urologists in an abstract entitled urinary dysfunction in lyme disease finally terry morse asks an intriguing question about a ticks habitat marc ii announcements source the lyme disease update subject call for articles attention health care professionals the lyme disease update would like to publish your articles on lyme disease diagnosis lyme treatment and the effects on lyme on lyme patients physical and mental health the ldu has a monthly circulation of 6 000 our mailing list includes lyme patients physicians researchers county health departments and over 100 lyme support groups nationwide we strive to give our readers up to date information on lyme disease prevention diagnosis and treatment and a source for support and practical advice on living with lyme disease articles for the ldu should be approximately 900 to 1200 words and should address lyme disease issues in non scientific language to submit your article mail to lyme disease update p o box 15711 0711 evansville in 47716 or fax to 812 471 1990 one year subscriptions to the lyme disease update are 19 24 outside the us mail your subscription requests to the above address or call 812 471 1990 for more information iii news from the wires sender jonathan lord jml4s uva pcmail virginia edu subject resurgence of infectious disease concerns cdc date thursday april 15 1993 atlanta upi a resurgence of infectious diseases blamed on newly emerging viruses and bacteria pose a major challenge for the nations health care system federal health officials said thursday the centers for disease control and prevention reporting its latest findings in an investigation of contaminated hamburger meat that sickened hundreds in 4 states and killed at least four said it will put renewed emphasis on battling infectious diseases part of that emphasis includes a new series titled emerging infectious diseases to be featured in the cdcs morbidity mortality weekly report which has a wide circulation in the health community the issue also will top the agenda of a two day meeting of scientific counselors to update the cdcs draft plan for dealing with the growing threat of infectious ailments this is an issue that has been coming and we do have a responsibility to deal with it said dr ruth berkelman deputy director of the cdcs national center for infectious diseases there were more cases of malaria in the u s in 1992 than in any year since the 1960s and latin america is experiencing a cholera epidemic the first in this century she said resistance of disease causing agents to antibiotics is also a problem we are seeing much more antibiotic resistance than we have in the past berkleman said she said even common ear infections frequently seen in children are becoming resistant to antibiotic treatment despite predictions earlier this century that infectious diseases would soon be eliminated as a public health problem infectious diseases remain the major cause of death worldwide and a leading cause of illness and death in the united states the cdc said it cited the emergence since the 1970s of a myriad of newly identified pathogens and syndromes such as escherichia coli o157 h7 a deadly bacterial infection the hepatitis c virus hiv the virus that causes aids legionnaires disease lyme disease and toxic shock syndrome the incidences of many diseases widely presumed to be under control such as cholera malaria and tuberculosis have increased in many areas the cdc said it said efforts at control and prevention have been undermined by drug resistance source wall street journal reference 04 15 93 pb1 headline lyme disease ruling raises liability issues the tick that causes lyme disease may have found a new way to cause damage legal liability a federal judges decision holding a property owner liable for not doing enough to protect workers from lyme disease is getting as much attention as the latest medical study on the disease a flu like illness that can cause severe physical and mental disabilities and in rare instances death the decision last week has put property owners on notice that they may have to do more than protect themselves from the ticks they also may have to protect themselves from litigation if someone becomes infected while on the property the decision by u s district judge robert j ward in new york came after a week long trial in a case involving four track workers for the long island railroad judge ward found that the workers contracted the disease after they were bitten by ticks while on the job he ordered the new york state owned commuter line to pay the workers more than 560 000 to compensate for pain and suffering in addition to medical expenses and lost wages summer camps schools companies with facilities in rural or semirural areas and homeowners who rent to vacationers are among the groups that need to be worried about this ruling says stephen l kass an attorney at new york law firm berle kass case who wrote a legal article three years ago warning property owners of the potential liability even a family that invites friends over for a backyard barbecue might be potentially liable lawsuits for insect bites while rare arent unheard of a summer vacationer in southampton n y last year sued the owner of the home she rented claiming that a tick on the property gave her rocky mountain spotted fever in 1988 also on long island a jury ordered an outdoor restaurant to pay more than 3 million to a patron who was stung by a bee causing an allergic reaction and permanent quadriplegia the judge later threw out the award citing no evidence that a beehive was near the restaurant but lawyers say that the attention to lyme disease throughout the country its most prevalent in new england the middle atlantic states wisconsin minnesota and the northwest may make this particular insect bite a particularly litigious one the illness already has proved to be a source of controversy in the courtroom over such issues as the type of medical care insurers will cover and medical malpractice claims against doctors for not diagnosing the disease lawyers say workers compensation claims related to lyme disease have become common in some states in recent years payments in workers compensation cases however are limited to medical costs and lost earnings the case before judge ward dealt with a potentially much more lucrative avenue for damages because it involved the question of negligence unlike the workers compensation process the law governing injuries to rail workers allows for a finding of negligence and as a result for additional payments for pain and suffering property owners and lawyers say that negligence claims can be made in many other situations where people are exposed to the ticks that carry the disease ira m maurer a partner at new york law firm elkind flynn maurer who represented the rail workers says the decision will help to establish the duty of all sorts of property owners to protect against lyme disease lawyers caution that despite judge wards decision winning a lawsuit for damages caused by lyme disease may prove difficult for one thing victims have to demonstrate that they have pinned down when and where they got the tick bite judge ward found that the plaintiffs in the railroad case got lyme disease while working on property owned by the railroad even though none of the men remembered being bitten the workers who werent outdoorsmen likely to be exposed elsewhere to the insects said they saw ticks in the high grass that surrounded some work sites a spokeswoman for the railroad says that there was no proof that the four men were bitten while on the job and that the railroad is considering an appeal the railroad also disputes judge wards finding that it didnt do enough to protect employees the spokeswoman says the railroad provides track workers with insect repellent and special pants to protect against bug bites debate in the scientific community over lyme disease could open up some legal defenses for property owners such as questioning whether a victim actually has the disease rather than some other illness earlier this week the journal of the american medical association reported that doctors overly diagnose patients as having lyme disease and damages awarded to a victim also might be influenced by medical disputes over the degree of harm that lyme disease causes because of health and safety concerns some groups and companies already take special measures to protect against lyme disease last year at its headquarters in franklin lakes n j becton dickinson co began using damminix a pesticide made by ecohealth inc of boston that is designed to kill ticks carrying the disease the medical supply companys headquarters include a 120 acre park and the company was worried that employees who walk on its trails for recreation might get infected ruth lister a spokeswoman for the american camping association in indianapolis says that many youth camps accredited by her organization also have begun to check children for ticks and carole katz a member of the board of the fire island pines property owners association says her group spends 30 000 each year to treat their 100 acre site off the coast of new york with the tick killing pesticide title urinary dysfunction in lyme disease authors chancellor mb mcginnis de shenot pj kiilholma p hirsch ih department of urology jefferson medical college thomas jefferson university philadelphia pennsylvania reference j urol 1993 jan 149 1 26 30 lyme disease which is caused by the spirochete borrelia burgdorferi is associated with a variety of neurological sequelae we describe 7 patients with neuro borreliosis who also had lower urinary tract dysfunction urodynamic evaluation revealed detrusor hyperreflexia in 5 patients and detrusor areflexia in 2 detrusor external sphincter dyssynergia was not noted on electromyography in any patient we observed that the urinary tract may be involved in 2 respects in the course of lyme disease 1 voiding dysfunction may be part of neuro borreliosis and 2 the spirochete may directly invade the urinary tract in 1 patient bladder infection by the lyme spirochete was documented on biopsy neurological and urological symptoms in all patients were slow to resolve and convalescence was protracted relapses of active lyme disease and residual neurological deficits were common urologists practicing in areas endemic for lyme disease need to be aware of b burgdorferi infection in the differential diagnosis of neurogenic bladder dysfunction conservative bladder management including clean intermittent catheterization guided by urodynamic evaluation is recommended iv questions n answers note if you have a response to this question please forward it to the editor sender terry morse morset ccmail orst edu subject question on lyme vectors and compost piles when i visited my sister on long island ny i was cautioned to avoid the compost heap in her back yard as she thinks this is where she became infected a friend of mine here in oregon who has a compost heap would like me to back that claim up with documentation do lyme carrying ticks hang out in compost heaps thank you v op ed section this section is open to all subscribers who would like to express an opinion vi jargon index bb borrelia burgdorferi the scientific name for the ld bacterium cdc centers for disease control federal agency in charge of tracking diseases and programs to prevent them cns central nervous system elisa enzyme linked immunosorbent assays common antibody test em erythema migrans the name of the bulls eye rash that appears in 60 of the patients early in the infection ifa indirect fluorescent antibody common antibody test ld common abbreviation for lyme disease nih national institutes of health federal agency that conducts medical research and issues grants to research interests pcr polymerase chain reaction a new test that detects the dna sequence of the microbe in question currently being tested for use in detecting ld tb and aids spirochete the ld bacterium its given this name due to its spiral shape western blot a more precise antibody test vii how to subscribe contribute and get back issues subscriptions anyone with an internet address may subscribe send a memo to listserv lehigh edu in the body type subscribe lymenet l your real name fax subscriptions are also available send a single page fax to 215 974 6410 for further information deletions send a memo to listserv lehigh edu 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abridged in any way send all bug reports to mcg2 lehigh edu baseball re braves update in article 1993apr20 163456 8983 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes in article 13586 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes 1 since time immemorial batters have complained about calls so have pitchers and catchers however batters didnt use to go for strolls after bad calls to the degree they do now i really think that this is the key point when i saw the incident on baseball tonight sunday i couldnt believe how far away from the plate gant went then he casually leaned against his bat i dont blame the umpire at all for telling the pitcher to pitch the worst part of the whole incident was the braves coming out onto the field what were they going to do attack the umpire the only people who shouldve been out there were cox and maybe the coaches but no players i agree with the person who posted before that cox should be suspended for having no control over his team john baseball ray lankford question does anybody know what is going on with lankford i know he was out for a few games with a slight injury but since he has beenback and before the injury for that matter he has been really struggling at the plate and on the basepaths whereis the ray lankford we saw last year msilverm nyx cs du edu go cubs one likes to believe in the freedom of baseball geddy lee medicine re persistent vs chronic in article 10557 blue cis pitt edu doyle pitt edu howard r doyle writes being a chronic hbsag carrier does not necessarily mean the patient has chronic persistent anything persons who are chronic carriers may have no clinical biochemical or histologic evidence of liver disease or they may have chronic persistent hepatitis chronic active hepatitis cirrhosis or hepatocellular carcinoma most cases of chronic persistent hepatitis cph are probably the result of a viral infection although in a good number of cases the cause cannot be determined the diagnosis of cph is made on the basis of liver biopsy it consists of findings of portal inflammation an intact periportal limiting plate and on occasion isolated foci of intralobular necrosis but in contrast to chronic active hepatitis cah there is no periportal inflammation bridging necrosis or fibrosis cph has indeed an excellent prognosis if i had to choose between cah and cph there is no question i would also choose cph however as david pointed out the distinction between the two is not as neat as some of us would have it the histology can sometimes be pretty equivocal with biopsies showing areas compatible with both cph and cah maybe it is a sampling problem maybe it is a continuum i dont know darn just when i think i understand something someone who knows the pathology has to burst my bubble wed better not start talking about glomerular diseases then ill really get depressed seriously though i wonder how someone with cph would end up getting a biopsy in the first place my understanding and feel free to correct me is that the enzymes are at worst mildly elevated with overall normal hepatic function i would think that the only clue might be a history of prior hepb infection and a positive hepb sag or is it indeed on a continuum with cah and the distinction merely one of pathology and prognosis but otherwise identical clinical features kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer cars re improvements in automatic transmissions hagenjd wfu edu jeff hagen writes the biggest hurdle for automatics imho is not shifting speed per se but rather the transmissions reaction speed when you try to force it to shift manually i rented an oldsmobile achieva is that a yuppie name or what and a nissan stanza they both had automatics im a manual transmission bigot but i have to admit that the transmissions on these cars were better shifters than i am and yes they responded very quickly to kickdown requests the nissan had a tachometer so i was able to figure out which gear i was in the olds may have also but i dont remember i believe it shifted all the way down to second at about 50 mph when my foot told it no i really want to accelerate quickly i would still prefer a manual but i wont delude myself into thinking that i can out accelerate a modern automatic and im very smooth at shifting but certainly not as good as an automatic tommy reingold at t bell labs holmdel nj tommy boole att com or att boole tommy medicine re pregnency without sex in article stephen 735806195 mont stephen mont cs missouri edu stephen montgomery smith writes when i was a school boy my biology teacher told us of an incident in which a couple were very passionate without actually having sexual intercourse somehow the girl became pregnent as sperm cells made their way to her through the clothes via persperation was my biology teacher misinforming us or do such incidents actually occur ohboy here we go again and one wonders why the american education system is in such abysmal shape baseball re babes pitching babe ruths lifetime pitching stats selected 94 46 671 2 28 era 163 g 107 cg 17 sho 10 6 rat best year 1916 bos 23 12 1 75 era led league or 1917 bos 24 13 2 01 era steve thornton stevet eskimo com religion re catholic lit crit of a s s in 1993apr14 101241 476 mtechca maintech com foster mtechca maintech com writes i am surprised and saddened i would expect this kind of behavior from the evangelical born again gospel thumping in your face were the only true christian protestants but i have always thought that catholics behaved better than this please do not stoop to the level of the e b a g t i y f w t o t c protestants who think that the best way to witness is to be strident intrusive loud insulting and overbearingly self righteous pleading mode on please im begging you quit confusing religious groups and stop making generalizations im a protestant im an evangelical i dont believe that my way is the only way im not a creation scientist i dont think that homosexuals should be hung by their toenails if you want to discuss bible thumpers you would be better off singling out and making obtuse generalizations about fundamentalists if you compared the actions of presbyterians or methodists with those of southern baptists you would think that they were different religions please prejudice is about thinking that all people of a group are the same so please dont write off all protestants or all evangelicals pleading mode off god i wish i could get ahold of all the thomas stories fbzr enval jvagre fhaqnlf jura gurerf n yvggyr oberqbz lbh fubhyq nyjnlf pneel n tha abg gb fubbg lbhefrys ohg gb xabj rknpgyl gung lbher nyjnlf znxvat n pubvpr yvan jregzhyyre jemaleddin sasha david cole iv chief of knobbery research dlphknob camelot bradley edu religion lds thief goes to paradise kermit goes off tangent kermit tensmeyer quoted from a few sources and then wrote something i will attempt to construct a facsimile of what was previously said and then address kermits offering john redelfs originally wrote jr i learned that a man cannot frustrate justice by repenting on his jr death bed because repentance is more than a feeling of remorse it jr requires faith in christ proven by following him by keeping his jr commandments such cannot be accomplished on ones deathbed tom albrecht responded ta so jesus must have lied to the thief on the cross john redelfs wrote back that jr paradise and salvation are not the same thing salvation is better jr refer to john 14 2 i responded to john that rw i dont see the effort to equate salvation with paradise rw rw rather i see implied the fact that only those who are saved rw may enter paradise to which kermit wrote kt incomplete reference kt kt see also the discussion did jesus go into hell in the biblestudy group kt for the arguments that paradise and hell sheol are places after death kt the discussion no lds were involved as far as i could see argued using kt standard christian argument from the bible that pretty much support the kt lds position kt kt christ went to paridise after his death and burial kt kt he taught the prisoners and freed them from darkness kt kt when he was resurrected he had not yet ascended to his father kt kt the arguement centered around what was or wasnt the proper biblical kt terms for those places i respond the question that was raised was not if jesus went to infernal paradise before entering into heaven no one has made a point for or against that issue nor have they compared the lds position against orthodox belief the infernal paradise is held to be abrahams bosom luke 16 the place of the righteous dead in sheol equivalent to hades the point that was raised by john was that someone could not repent on their death bed tom albrecht pointed to a biblical example that was contradictory to what johns position put forward the thief on the cross was promised by christ to be with him in paradise the abode of the righteous dead johns position possibly needs to be reworked kermit needs to address the topic at hand robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu baseball braves offensive offense deion sanders hit a home run in his only ab today nixon was 1 for 4 infield single deions batting over 400 nixon around 200 whom would you start wise up bobby see yall at the ballyard go braves chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gt0523e internet gt0523e prism gatech edu guns re letter to the president kdw icd ab com kenneth d whitehead writes the dismissal or resignation of lloyd bensen secretary of the treasury in case you havent sent it yet its bentsen not bensen brad baseball re infield fly rule you cant call time when theres a play in progress ryan robbins penobscot hall university of maine io20456 maine maine edu baseball re game length was re braves update nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes however what is with this policy of trying to speed up the games you are the first person non mediot i have seen endorse this policy i have no problem with the length of games at all and am tired of the espn crowd and other announcers bitching about it i have never been in a ballpark filled with people looking at their watches and shouting hurry up if i cough up big bucks for a ticket i dont mind a game that last more than 2 10 i really dont understand it i agree with nick whats the big deal about long games if you want to watch baseball theres that much more baseball to watch and yes baseball includes the space between plays as well as the plays themselves i suspect that a lot of the complaining about long games especially when its coming from tv people has to something to do with advertising probably time wasted in the middle of an inning say by a batter stepping out of the box to fiddle with his gloves or by a pitcher walking around behind the mound trying to collect his thoughts could otherwise be sold as advertising time heather hhenderson vax clarku edu religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 on 15 apr 1993 22 34 40 gmt eric sieferman observed christian washed in the blood of the lamb mithraist washed in the blood of the bull if anyone in netland is in the process of devising a new religion do not use the lamb or the bull because they have already been reserved please choose another animal preferably one not on the endangered species list how about washed in the blood of barney the dinosaur michael d adams starowl a2i rahul net baseball new uniforms usually one or two teams changes their logo or a minor uniform change per season but the past few seasons have been incredible any thoughts on the new old reds uniforms i remember seeing a pete rose rookie card and unless i miss my guess he was wearing the exact same duds the mets how about docs performance today have reinserted the mets patch on the shoulder and changed the mets insgnia on the front of the jersey to my knowledge it is the first time that has been changed since 1962 and it reminds me a little of the dodger logo many teams have opted for a return to a previous style of uniform or at least uniforms that look more traditional phillies reds expos white sox padres etc and the once bright colors have been altered to gray the trend has also seen the newer baseball fields resembling the parks of the early years as opposed to the cookie cutter saucer stadiums construcrted throughout the sixties with salaries now reaching unbelievable highs no one in the comissioners office and inter league play on the horizon its nice to see that baseball at least looks like it was meant to be baseball the bob dylan baseball abstract just a little something i found while reading the village voice which is not noted for its sports coverage but occasionally the print some interesting features this year the predictions team analyses for the 1993 season were presented in the form of bob dylan lyrics i dont have the article in front of me so ill only give the memorable ones here that i remember and know the melody to i could dig up more if there is interest yankess to the tune of subterranean homesick blues howe is in the basement mixing up the medicine george is on the pavement thinking bout the government wade boggs in a trench coat bat out paid off says hes got a bad back wants to get it laid off look out kids its somethin you did dont know when but its columbus again mets to the tune of like a rolling stone once upon a time you played so fine you threw away dykstra before his prime didnt you people said beware cone hes bound to roam but you thought they were just kidding you you used to laugh about the strawberry that was headin out but now you dont talk so loud now you dont seem so proud about having to shop vince coleman for your next deal phillies to the tune of highway 61 well daulton and dykstra should have some fun just keep them off of highway 61 giants to the tune of the ballad of rubin hurricane carter this is the story of the magowan the man st petersburg came to pan for something that he never done hes sit in the owners box but one day he could have the tampian of the world medicine placebo effects i know that the placebo effect is where a patient feels better or even gets better because of his her belief in the medicine and the doctor administering it is there also an anti placebo effect where the patient dislikes distrusts doctors and medicine and therefore doesnt get better or feel better in spite of the medicine is there an effect where the doctor believes so strongly in a medicine that he she sees improvement where the is none or sees more improvement than there is if so what is this effect called is there a reverse of the above effect where the doctor doesnt believe in a medicine and then sees less improvement than there is what would this effect be called have these effects ever been studied how common are these effects thank you in advance for all replies information is very valuable but dis information is much more common baseball re you could look it up in article 1993apr21 173432 28160 alchemy chem utoronto ca mark b writes yes i could look it up but i prefer to post this question to the net i read somewhere in a long forgotten article that the handsignals used by major league umps were originally used to help a deaf ball player by the name of dummy urban myth true i gots ta know dummy hoy a late 19th century baseball player was deaf in order for him to be able to find out whether the pitch was a ball or strike the umpires developed hand signals this also helped to relieve the stress on umpires vocal cords so they didnt have to shout strike or ball 350 times a game heard about this one from the only worthwhile baseball book john thorn has ever authored a century of baseball lore mark b mbrownel alchemy chem utoronto ca jason a miller some doctor guy frank tanana 1 win windows re can i change licensed to data in windows 3 1 have you tried re installing the software otherwise i would be dubious about simple ways to change that screen is it not designed to be an embarassment to would be pirates charles charles emmons charles trintex uucp these opinions are prodigy services co charles trintex uunet uu net mine alone unless white plains ny 10601 voice 914 993 8856 you would like to prodigy id kjrd82a fax 914 993 8659 share them baseball phils winning the hard way the phillies have won two games back to back in extra innings last nights game was hard fought the game in chicago should have been a blow out all in all these two games show a different phillies team in past seasons they tended to always be on the short end of 1 run games i dont know how many times i saw them losing by only 1 run if they were able to win most of those they might have been more of a contending team they are 3 0 so far in extra innings and of course they are 10 3 guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article c5y36b 8mg news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes for me though the black soot billowing outside the compound added with how fast the fire spread ponted to someone dousing large parts of the compound with some sort of gasoline or fire starter just from experience seeing a couple of houses burn down one doesnt need any accelerant to get a lot of black soot theres plenty of stuff in a house that will burn dirty even the asphalt shingles would make a really sooty smoke al standard disclaimer baseball nl opi through first week here is the opi offensive production index for all nl players with at least 10 at bats it is early in the season so there are some high numbers barry bonds finished last season at 0 795 i welcome comments and suggestions kevin league opi 0 410 league ba 0 252 league slg 0 375 league oba 0 321 rank player opi ba slg oba 1 phi daulton 1 101 0 333 0 875 0 515 2 phi kruk 1 069 0 429 0 821 0 529 3 cub grace 1 007 0 452 0 742 0 514 4 cub may 0 931 0 389 0 889 0 421 5 col boston 0 888 0 545 0 545 0 545 6 pit bell 0 873 0 429 0 714 0 467 7 col galarraga 0 867 0 458 0 708 0 458 8 stl pena 0 833 0 400 0 600 0 516 9 stl zeile 0 811 0 440 0 560 0 500 10 cin mitchell 0 810 0 429 0 643 0 467 11 mon lansing 0 792 0 419 0 677 0 438 12 pit slaught 0 754 0 474 0 526 0 474 13 mon vanderwal 0 746 0 389 0 556 0 476 14 nym tfernandez 0 709 0 300 0 400 0 500 15 snf martinez 0 697 0 300 0 400 0 500 16 hou bagwell 0 695 0 367 0 567 0 424 17 col hayes 0 686 0 333 0 667 0 364 18 col eyoung 0 682 0 333 0 500 0 407 19 mon alou 0 675 0 371 0 600 0 389 20 cin milligan 0 659 0 333 0 375 0 515 21 phi dykstra 0 646 0 214 0 571 0 405 22 snf bonds 0 624 0 280 0 680 0 333 22 flo conine 0 624 0 393 0 393 0 469 24 snd plantier 0 603 0 286 0 571 0 375 25 hou gonzalez 0 596 0 296 0 667 0 296 26 hou anthony 0 594 0 320 0 480 0 414 27 col cole 0 579 0 318 0 409 0 400 28 atl sanders 0 576 0 357 0 643 0 357 29 mon berry 0 566 0 273 0 273 0 500 30 cub sosa 0 558 0 303 0 545 0 343 31 stl jefferies 0 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345 0 356 58 houston 0 436 0 260 0 415 0 318 59 mon pitcher 0 434 0 312 0 375 0 353 60 phi morandini 0 433 0 240 0 360 0 321 61 hou cedeno 0 427 0 280 0 440 0 308 62 cin sabo 0 423 0 226 0 452 0 273 63 snf manwaring 0 413 0 261 0 435 0 292 64 snfrancisco 0 412 0 253 0 396 0 315 65 atl blauser 0 409 0 276 0 310 0 364 66 snf thompson 0 408 0 278 0 389 0 316 66 hou caminiti 0 408 0 259 0 481 0 286 68 flo barberie 0 405 0 267 0 267 0 371 69 mon cordero 0 400 0 276 0 345 0 323 70 snd sheffield 0 397 0 241 0 448 0 267 71 los karros 0 392 0 259 0 296 0 355 72 snf williams 0 391 0 226 0 452 0 250 72 snd mcgriff 0 391 0 192 0 385 0 276 74 flo destrade 0 390 0 267 0 333 0 333 75 col girardi 0 388 0 238 0 381 0 304 76 atl bream 0 386 0 182 0 409 0 250 77 mon wood 0 385 0 200 0 300 0 333 78 flo santiago 0 384 0 200 0 360 0 286 79 phi thompson 0 383 0 227 0 273 0 320 80 snf clayton 0 382 0 345 0 379 0 345 80 los piazza 0 382 0 304 0 391 0 333 82 snd bell 0 378 0 273 0 364 0 304 83 los wallach 0 374 0 200 0 400 0 273 84 cin larkin 0 367 0 281 0 281 0 361 85 pit garcia 0 366 0 273 0 318 0 304 85 cincinnati 0 366 0 256 0 319 0 326 87 nym coleman 0 363 0 259 0 259 0 310 88 nym kent 0 362 0 190 0 286 0 320 89 stl whiten 0 361 0 240 0 360 0 321 90 cin roberts 0 359 0 278 0 278 0 333 90 cubs 0 359 0 236 0 366 0 277 92 snf lewis 0 354 0 227 0 364 0 261 92 hou finley 0 354 0 214 0 250 0 312 92 col clark 0 354 0 250 0 350 0 286 95 los pitcher 0 350 0 286 0 357 0 286 95 sndiego 0 350 0 219 0 357 0 268 97 atl lemke 0 345 0 200 0 240 0 333 98 losangeles 0 339 0 221 0 275 0 311 99 snf mcgee 0 335 0 267 0 300 0 333 99 atlanta 0 335 0 199 0 308 0 287 101 cin sanders 0 334 0 267 0 333 0 290 101 cin oliver 0 334 0 208 0 208 0 345 103 snd gardner 0 332 0 238 0 333 0 273 103 los reed 0 332 0 276 0 276 0 323 105 phi hollins 0 327 0 226 0 290 0 294 106 florida 0 326 0 226 0 268 0 311 107 los davis 0 325 0 188 0 219 0 278 108 atl pendleton 0 322 0 212 0 273 0 297 109 snf clark 0 316 0 161 0 290 0 257 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phi chamberlain 0 180 0 111 0 111 0 200 136 snd pitcher 0 164 0 182 0 182 0 182 136 atl pitcher 0 164 0 182 0 182 0 182 138 phi pitcher 0 159 0 111 0 167 0 158 139 cub maldonado 0 150 0 105 0 158 0 150 140 flo felix 0 148 0 172 0 207 0 172 141 cin espy 0 141 0 100 0 100 0 182 142 stl jordan 0 140 0 105 0 211 0 105 143 atl berryhill 0 128 0 091 0 182 0 091 144 cub pitcher 0 126 0 111 0 111 0 158 145 snd shipley 0 122 0 087 0 174 0 087 146 stl pitcher 0 106 0 125 0 125 0 125 147 hou pitcher 0 053 0 067 0 067 0 067 147 col benavides 0 053 0 067 0 067 0 067 147 cin pitcher 0 053 0 067 0 067 0 067 150 cub wilkins 0 038 0 000 0 000 0 067 151 flo pitcher 0 000 0 000 0 000 0 000 151 col pitcher 0 000 0 000 0 000 0 000 0 74 1b 1 28 2b 1 64 3b 2 25 hr 0 53 bb 0 34 sb 2 cs opi ab h ba h ab slg h 2b 2 3b 3 hr ab oba h bb ab bb jet propulsion laboratory schmke cco caltech edu 4800 oak grove dr schmidt spc5 jpl nasa gov m s 525 3684 pasadena ca 91109 medicine re ringing ears jfare 53iss6 waterloo ncr com jim fare writes a friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing etc a folks do we have an faq on tinnitus yet b as a lo o o ong time sufferer of tinnitus and as a neuroscientist who has looked over the literature carefully i believe the following are reasonable conclusions 1 millions of people suffer from chronic tinnitus 2 the cause it not understood 3 there is no accepted treatment that cures it 4 some experimental treatments may have helped some people a bit but there have be no reports even anecdotal of massive good results with any of these experimental drugs 5 some people with chronic loud tinnitus use noise blocking to get to sleep 6 sudden onset loud tinnitus can be caused by injuries and sometimes abates or goes away after a few months 7 aspirin is well known to exacerbate tinnitus in some people 8 there is a national association of tinnitus sufferers in the us 9 one usually gets used to it especially when concentrating on something else the tinnitus becomes unnoticed 10 stress and lack of sleep make tinnitus more annoying sometimes 11 im sure those of us who have it wish there was a cure but there is not mark dubin the ol professor cars re saturn 91 92 manual transmission problem i had exactly the same problem with a 1981 horizon third gear would just disengage engine would rev up kind of disconcerting i sold that car quite a few years back but the memory of that tranny sticks with me it also had a clutch chatter in first that the dealer could not fix if the lemon law had been in place then that car would have been covered i have had several jap cars since then figuring the horizon was my contribution to the american auto companies and have never seen any bad behavior with the exception of a toyota tercel with a bit of clutch chatter that they did fix on the first try anyway from that day forward i have sworn that i would never purchase another american car with a standard american manufacturers dont have a clue on how to manufacture five speed transmissions and have been doing the automatics much longer and on many more cars however i hate automatics so i am still buying jap cars not sure this is any help but other cars do this too cheers larry larry rogers larry rogers dg com big brother larry boris webo dg com is watching data general 508 870 8441 the opinions contained herein are my own and do not reflect the opinions of data general or anyone else but they should sometimes we are the windshield sometimes we are the bug dire straits baseball re yankkes 1 game closer in article 002251w 5 734117130 axe acadiau ca 002251w axe acadiau ca jason walter works writes the n y yankees are now one game closer to the a l east pennant they clobbered cleveland 9 1 on a fine pitching performance by key and two homeruns by tartabull first m l baseball to go out this season and a three run homer by nokes for all of you who didnt pick boggs in your pools tough break he had a couple hits and drove in a couple runs with many more to follow the yanks beat an up and coming team of youngsters in the indians the yankees only need to win 95 more games to get the division go yanks mattingly for g glove and mvp and abbot for cy young jason jason i am going to a yankee game wed night at cleveland stadium i am so happy but cleveland is a very bad team who lost severalrs they were an up and coming team now they are just a sad excuse for a better average abbot will not win the cy melido perez will as bold a prediction as they come well herot be in last place by the end of the season mike lurie speaks and the world listens cars for sale 91 toyota camry 9500 1991 toyota camry for sale deluxe package 5 speed grey power windows power door locks am fm cassette power steering power brakes 70k highway miles excellent condition 9500 rob fusi rwf2 lehigh edu 609 397 2147 after 7pm e mail me for more info 914 335 6984 day until 5 ask for bob fusi cars re vw passat advice sought in article apr 19 12 13 52 1993 387 remus rutgers edu hong remus rutgers edu hyunki hong writes i am currently in the car market and would like opinions on a vw passat glx how does it compare to a toyota camry i thought the car looked very solid stable and european only disappointment so far is that that it doesnt offer an airbao my next question is why isnt vw offering automobiles with airbags should i pay the extra three thousand for a bmw 318 is even though it is smaller and less powerful than than the passat i think vw got caught out on the airbag thing its only been in the last year or two that airbags have become a significant selling feature vw assumed that automatic belts would satisfy govt requirements for passive restraint but didnt guess that the merican consumer would actually make buy decisions based on the presence of an airbag vw is really hurting right now in the us market check out the article in last weeks autoweek about the crisis at vw golfs and jettas will be coming from the plant in mexico but they dont have the quality at that facility as per normal vw practice the us launch of the jetta iii is delayed again and again until a good chunk of the useful life of the design is spent i think that passats come from germany so there is not the same quality and availability issue its a nice car with a nice engine whether vw will be a player in the us market in two years time is a different question ill leave the passat camry flamewar for someone else guns re cnn for sale count me in for 1000 00 allan lockridge my opinions are my own and are not for sale allan lockridge allanl windows replacement for program m maw ying yuan wrote from yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu maw ying yuan subject replacement for program manager and file manager message id c68g1g juj news hawaii edu date thu 29 apr 1993 06 44 04 gmt replacements for win3 1s program manager and file manager yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu hi ive been using plannet crafters plug in for program manager its listed in most bbses as plugin13 its an add on which gives some needed features to progman such as the ability to better manage your groups change your cursor and icons on the fly constant status of ram and resources quick menu a drop down menu of dos commands or app launcher plus some other neat stuff used it liked it and even regd it g if you cant find it anywhere let me know and ill zip it up and mail it to you shareware version of course g aloha es all hope abandon ye who enter messages here slmr 2 1a idc bbs 510 865 7115 usr hst 14 4k 510 814 8097 usr ds v 32bis alameda california home of kingmail kingqwk and qwkmerge windows re mouse on com3 under windows 3 1 ive pursued and researched this question over the last month or so because i have the same requirements you do and the long and short of it is that the windows mouse drivers dont accept mice at any but com1 and com2 using irq4 or irq3 unless you buy special drivers from someone who has them ive talked to mouse systems who say their driver doesnt support other than com1 and com2 as above but who claim to be releasing one that will soon the other alternative seems to be possible but in one case prohibitively expensive i e 4 port card for 600 and in the other the author s of powerbbs for windows claim to have a 4 port serial card with buffered 16550 uarts and drivers for windows to match i e com3 irq5 for 120 the second paragraph is hearsay because i havent checked it out yet but intend to as soon as i can free up 120 g hope this will save you some steps windows re w4wg novell in article 1993apr27 102626 1 csc canterbury ac nz cctr132 csc canterbury ac nz nick fitzgerald pc software consultant csc uoc nz writes in article 1rh2mi ea4 msuinfo cl msu edu bilan cps msu edu thomas j bilan writes if i put lastdrive z in my config sys netx will run but i cant access drive f to log in to novell if i dont put lastdrive z in my config sys i cant access other w4wg drives from the file manager it seems that there should be a way to make netx work with the lastdrive statement in my config sys first off i havent used w4wg but i think thats about to change the problem is the lastdrive command and the way netware in general and in this case netx in particular adds drives to the device chain setting lastdrive z means there are no unassigned as opposed to unused drive letters for netware to use as it tacks its drive mappings onto the end of the existing list of drives w4wg obviously attaches its network drives to existing unused drive letters id guess the next thing id try is something like lastdrive m which on most machines will leave a fair swathe of drives for w4wg and still allow up to 13 netware drive mappings as well w4wg requires dos drives i use lastdrive j which makes my first novell drive k and leaves me drives g h i and j for w4wg my local dos drives use a f ron baseball re best homeruns i personally will never forget mike schmidts home run against the expos in 1980 that decided the nl east it was also his career high 48th another home run that i thought was totally incredible was in the 1986 alcs the ca angles had the boston red sox 1 strike away from the pennant until don baylor hit a two strike pitch for a home run that was the most incredible turn of events i have ever seen in baseball the sox later took the pennant away only to have the same thing done to them in the ws against the mets speaking of the mets isnt it strange how the nlcs that year with the astros almost mirrored the 1980 nlcs with the phillies the astros have been painfully close twice i must admit baseball re rule book trivia 2 in article 93109 145942io20456 maine maine edu ryan robbins io20456 maine maine edu writes rule 7 09 k states it is interference by a batter or runner when in running the last half of the distance from home base to first base he runs outside the three foot line or inside to the left of the foul line and in the umpires judgment interferes with the field er taking the throw at first base the key word in the rule is and a runner isnt out just for running out of the baseline hes out for interfering with the fielding of the ball or throw or fielding of the throw to first because the catcher opted to throw the ball over the batter runners head theres no inter ference sorry i still dont buy it youre certainly right that the runner is not out merely for running out of the baseline he must interfere with the play but the argument here is over what constitutes interference you certainly cannot infer from what youve quoted that the batter runner must be hit by the ball to be guilty of interference you havent posted a definition of interference at all imo this calls for one of the approved ruling s that go in small print in the rulebook something like approved ruling if in the judgement of the umpire the runner by running to the left of the allowed path caused the fielder to make a bad throw blocks the vision of the fielder receiving the throw or otherwise impedes the defensive teams making a play on him the batter runner shall be judeged guilty of interference or approved ruling the runner cannot be judged guilty of interference in the unless he makes contact with a fielder or is hit by the thrown ball in the absence of such an approved ruling i claim that this is a poor rules trivia question since it cannot be authoritatively answered len reed holos software inc voice 404 496 1358 ext 16 domain lbr holos atl ga usa uucp lbr holos0 uucp baseball re phillies a new ballpark in future in a philadelphia inquirer a few days ago it was reported that there were two 2 plans for a new phillies stadium the already mentioned 30th street station proposal and a location near broad street and race street i think i cant remember the exact details but the stadium would be build practically downtown there is a small lot that could be used according to the paper the 30th street plan has run into some trouble because amtrak does not want to reroute some of its lines in order to accomodate the stadium i dont have an opinion just yet just letting everyone know that there are really two options being discussed right now neither of these plans will be put into effect very soon however because nobody wants to pay for it keith keller lets go rangers lets go quakers kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs when i want your opinion ill give it to you cars re used bmw question in article 1993apr12 230031 160616 ua1ix ua edu rpaturi ho12 eng ua edu ravi writes hi i am dying to get the answer for the pricing polocy of a dealer here in san jose california i moved to caal from al you moved from alabama to california my sympathies year model description milage price 1991 318 black looks good 46k 10 6k 5sp manual ac cassette sun roof 1989 318 white same as aboove 50k 9 6k make sure that they have all maintenance records oil should be changed every 3 months the mileage on the cars is fine be sure that these have the 16 valve engine the 8 valve 318 is a bmw in name only didnt you have a line on a 89 325i for 12k jump on it phil mueller pamuelle ingr com or pamuelle nc2145 b30 ingr com ama 686532 dod 132569 1991 suzuki bandit 1977 bmw r100 7 religion re clarification of personal position in article c5rbht fw4 athena cs uga edu hudson athena cs uga edu paul hudson jr writes in article c5muiw aqc mailer cc fsu edu dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu darius lecointe writes if it were a sin to violate sunday no one could ever be forgiven for that for jesus never kept sunday holy he only recognized one day of the seven as holy jesus also recognized other holy days like the passover acts 15 says that no more should be layed on the gentiles than that which is necessary the sabbath is not in the list nor do any of the epistles instruct people to keep the 7th day while christians were living among people who did not keep the 7th day it looks like that would have been a problem instead we have scriptures telling us that all days can be esteemed alike romans 14 5 and that no man should judge us in regard to what kind of food we eat jewish holy days we keep or in regard to the sabbath col 2 the question is on what authority do we proclaim that the requirements of the fourth commandment are no longer relevant to modern christians i dont think that the sabbath or any other command of the law is totally irrelevant to modern christians but what about collosions 2 where it says that we are not to be judged in regard to the keeping of the sabbath why are you running away from the word of jesus has somebody superseded the word of jesus if you dont follow the morality of the ten commandments and the law and the prophets and the word of jesus whose morality do you follow guns re change of name how we survived ww2 we mailed postings about things we didnt know any thing about to only the wrong places im not trying to censor this or any newsgroup im just trying to give some hints about other newsgroups doesnt this belong to alt conspiracy note my posting was in reply to those about fbi torching the plasce after filling it with napalm and arrested people dissapering we all know what a quisling is right obviously we dont vidkun quisling is known to be a traitor in norway not a censor if i have betrayed my country norway bescause i implied that som of you jumped to conclusions sound a little paranoid then i think there is a lot of quislings in norway about waco it looks to me as the batf and fbi cant handle situations like this the way it went reminds me of stun bomb beeing dropped on a house in la from a helicopter whole block went up in flames 5 died it doesnt have to be a conspiracy maybe they just screwed up this is not a signature its merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil internet thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no baseball re tigers woof woof david shapiro people can call it a monkey but i felt like shapiro david yale edu i had a piano on my back all winter long shapiro minerva cis yale edu the piano is off my back maybe a trombone will be next stan belinda religion re freemasonry and the southern baptist convention lowell locus com lowell morrison writes in article 1qv82l oj2 usenet ins cwru edu ch981 cleveland freenet edu tony with the southern baptist convention convening this june to consider the charges that freemasonry is incompatible with christianity i thought the following quotes by mr james holly the anti masonic flag carrier would amuse you all the following passages are exact quotes from the southern baptist convention and freemasonry by james l holly m d president of mission and ministry to men inc 550 n 10th st beaumont tx 77706 much drivel deleted jesus christ never commanded toleration as a motive for his disciples and toleration is the antithesis of the christian message page 30 the central dynamic of the freemason drive for world unity through fraternity liberty and equality is toleration this is seen in the writings of the great writers of freemasonry page 31 more drivel deleted i hope you all had a good laugh i know i did g tony a laugh tony this religeous bigot scares the shit out of me and that any one bothers to listen to him causes me to have grave doubts about the future of just about anything shades of the branch davidians jim jones and charlie manson uncle wolf member highland lodge 748 f am grand lodge of california babtized a southern babtist and one who has beliefs beyond the teachings of either not to worry the masons have been demonized and harrassed by almost every major xian church there is for centuries now and still they stand they wil withstand the miserable southern boobtists i am sure they may even pick up a little support as people start to listen to the boobtists and realize that subtracting the obvious lies and claims of satanism that the masons sound pretty good by comparison one thing is known a sizable proportion of southern babtists are masons and the masons have already fired back in their own magazines against the boobtist witch hunt since the consrervatives have already been a divisive element with their war on boobtist moderates and liberals they may now start in on their mason boobtist brothers and hasten their own downfall as more and more southern boobtists realize their church cant stand being run by a handful of clowns looking for holy civil wars and purity tests and drop em out of the leadership positions they have taken over so as far as i am concerned the louder ruder and more outrageous an anti masonic crusade these old goats mount the better pop some pocorn and get a center row seat the circus is about to begin and oh look here come the clowns pope charles slack popec brewich hou tx us pope charles origin the brewers witch bbs houston tx 1 713 272 7350 baseball re torre the worst manager in article 93095 hydra gatech edu gt7469a prism gatech edu brian r landmann writes e later in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts lankford a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses luis alicea a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter what the helll is he thinking if memory serves me well alicea hit it and damn near tied the game torre obviously knows his players better than you do see yall at the ballyard go braves chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gt0523e internet gt0523e prism gatech edu religion re is it good that jesus died jasons atlastele com jason smith writes for several years all i knew is i really liked dropping cid lsd frankly speaking i didnt really care it was fun anyway it didnt matter that every child my wife and i want to have are at a tremendously greater risk of serious birth defects does it matter that the study yes singular that showed lsd causing birth defects also holds true for aspirin does it matter that this study is flat out wrong and lsd does not give you a greater risk of having children with birth defects merlyn leroy cars re geico mechanical breakdown insurance in article c50pbh 244 noose ecn purdue edu rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu robert j wade writes in article 1993apr4 010517 9701 lds loral com mcculloc sps204 lds loral com thad mcculloch writes has anyone had any experience with geicos extended warranty plan it seems to be slightly less expensive than the normal dealer sponsored policy and once again never buy extended warranties they are a complete and total ripoff period you are better off taking your money and putting it in a bank and using that money for repairs many extended warranties never pay or have co payments etc how many people will actually put that money in the bank and keep it there for the sole use of a automotive repair maybe for people who have a hard time saving money or dont want the hassle of worrying about paying for everything the extended warranty is worth it for some people it is worth it others not and for some the peace of mind knowing you wont have too many unexpected expenses is enough if you drive a lot your basic warranty can be up in a little longer than a year how many people can make the car payments as well as large repairs it may work for some people andrew andrew bernstein motorola inc theres no such thing as sanity 1299 e algonquin road and thats the sanest fact schaumburg il 60196 1077 dire straits bernstei next3 corp mot com next mail ok baseball re young catchers mss netcom com mark singer said in article 7862 blue cis pitt edu genetic pitt edu david m tate writes well perhaps if the braves had no one else worth playing this year it would be lopez in there but they do have others worth playing at least in their opinion catcher is their weakest position with the possible exception of second base they have a chance to simultaneously replace their biggest offensive problem spot with a well above average offensive player and acclimate a highly promising potential star with no pressure on him to carry the team and they want to play olson and berryhill instead i disagree in that i dont think it is a tangible skill any more than leadership is i dont deny that it is a real skill and that some catchers may be much better than others at it but i really dont see any way that we could ever know who they are nicholss law of catcher defense is eerily accurate far too often for me to take defensive assessments of catchers very seriously sorry new dont know nichols law a catchers defensive reputation will be inversely proportional to his recent offensive level of performance thus mickey tettleton goes in the media from being a no hit defensive whiz to a slugging thumb finger in two short years the rule doesnt apply to perceived superstars who get the gold glove offensive transfer effect instead greg olson is probably considered to be a good defensive catcher precisely because he cant hit dont believe in catchers era but i am interested in pitchers eras with different catchers arent they the same thing in other words we know more than they do so the only logic behind a different decision than we would make must be financial either that or just stupidity i presume we feel this way about other franchises than atlanta no of course is it fair to the young players no does it make organizational sense i think it does well if it does make organizational sense one can hardly fault them for their decisions i mean please dont tell me how to run my business especially when im being successful one could make the same sort of argument in other cases pete rose in pursuing ty cobbs record was a huge gate attraction and national media magnet the reds made a lot of money off that they also wasted the prime of eric davis that may be good business but that doesnt mean i dont loathe them for it david m tate i do not know what it is about you that closes posing as and opens only something in me understands e e can the pocket of your glove is deeper than pete roses dy cummings nobody not even tim raines has such soft hands baseball hal mcrae dak988s vma smsu edu writes no hal mcrae is the worst manager in baseball i havent seen enough royals games to judge his tactics so you may have a point here but ive never seen a guy who can waste talent like he can one of the best raw talent staffs in the league and hes still finding a way to lose imo the royals dont have a chance to win the pennant even if mcrae suddenly began channeling for john mcgraw ok they have some decent pitchers but when your offense consists of bums like gagne and lind and mcreynolds and mcrae and an over the hill brett youre not going to finish 500 unless mcgraw brings christy mathewson back with him id say it is hard to evaluate a manager when all of his hitters suck bob davis rbd thor ece uc edu windows re some info the dos msw meltdown is progressing nicely ajayshah almaak usc edu ajay shah writes the preferred applications development platform according to 432 of the fortune 1000 corporations survey by sentry market research survey all percentages 1992 1993 unix 18 28 mainframe 35 22 dos msw 24 18 os 2 8 17 midrange 14 14 99 99 this is from corporate computing may 1993 page 28 its interesting to see how the greatest vapour project of the world has not been able to make much of a difference here world computer market share by broad category 1991 1996 dos windows netware 37 0 40 0 unix 11 6 21 0 ibm mainframe 17 4 14 4 vax vms 3 7 2 6 ibm minis 4 1 4 0 macintosh 3 6 4 6 other 22 6 13 4 1996 projections are by idc source unix world jan 1993 sombodys data is wrong since mac os finder systerm or whatever you want to call it doesnt appear in the first survey i tend to doubt their results more just because sombody wrote it doesnt mean its correct carl zmola cicero spc uchicago edu windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 14957 news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu kurt bollacker writes none of this changes the fact that msw3 1 is objectively inferior to its competition do you mean that msw3 1 is objectively inferior in some respects which is trivially true that it is objectively inferior in all respecets which is trivially false or do you mean something else what criteria have you chosen for your objective assesment are you sure that these criteria are themselves objective i have begun to learn in life that the masses never choose the best option available to them they choose the one which they have been conditioned to think is best im glad im not one of them no comment cars re v4 engines in pwe 735571191 slipknot mit edu pwe slipknot mit edu paul w emery writes on the subject of the v4 ford in the uk used v4 engines exstensively in their ford transit vans this brings back a memory from the seventies i played in a band at the time and for something like 180 pounds four of us bought a 1967 tranny to cart the gear around in it was in terrible shape cosmetically because its last owner was a pig farmer we spent days cleaning it up and putting in a partition and more seating but til the day it died everytime you turned on the fan to the defroster dried pig shit came flying out the vents back to the engine if i remember right it was a 1600cc v4 and that thing could haul we could fill it with equipment and up to 8 people and it went like a bat out of hell of course there were no pollution controls on the engine and the gas was leaded and higher octane than we get now when the mechanical fuel pump quit we put in an electric one from a morris minor that worked great ah fond memories saab sonnet iii too i believe pwe slipknot mit edu id like to own a squadron of tanks paul w emery ron nasty the rutles m i t magnet lab cambridge mass u s a costellobeatlesspinaltapfawltytowersmuttsavengersstartrek tngenglandrutles mliggett silver ucs indiana edu mliggett iugold bitnet junk collector toys r us kid antiauthoritarian and fan of frogs iguanas and other herps guns batfs prime directive bully them bludgeon them bury them dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com im beginning to look forward to reaching the 100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt at that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds baseball re phils nl east not so weak thats very true i live in richmond home of the aaa richmond braves and they have this guy ryan klesko who hit 17 hrs at home last year now that doesnt sound like a whole lot but the way the diamond is built home runs are a rarity in fact ron gant brian hunter and david justice all proved they could hit in richmond when they were sent to the majors they never came back if you can hit in richmond you can hit anywhere so far after beating scranton phillies 9 0 in the first game the best team in aaa history has been rather underwhelming too many expectations i guess cars re lemon law does anyone know the law kchupp kchupp kevin chupp writes my father is have lots of problems with a 2 year old van what is the lemon law what should he do if he qualifies talk to philip greenspun he took ford to court recently and despite much manouvering and trickery on fords part he won well actually i think ford settled out of court on the provision he shut his mouth and stopped causing them trouble i love it when the little guy wins i dont have philips address anymore but a philip where are you call may bring him out of hiding cheers paul paul heuer phone 61 8 259 6453 avionics technology dsto pzh aeg dsto gov au fax 61 8 259 5507 po box 1500 salisbury south australia 5108 guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors nut case panics jumps the gun on the net before getting facts straight windows lockups in 386 enh mode w floppy hi ive got an older 386 25 motherboard old as in uses a 1988 keyboard controller and uses memory interleaving rather than caching it has developed a problem where trying to copy files from floppy cause the machine to lock up reset button required but only when in 386 enhanced mode this occurs in norton desktop file manager and when trying to install software running win 3 1 in standard mode works fine has anyone run into this any ideas much thanks appreciated david yon world std com medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1rgo4b et4 hsdndev harvard edu rind enterprise bih harvard edu david rind writes in article 1993apr23 180430 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes i dont like the term quack being applied to a licensed physician david questionable conduct is more appropriately called unethical in my opinion 3 using laetril to treat cancer patients when such treatment has been shown to be ineffective and dangerous cyanide release by the nci hmm this is certainly among the things i would refer to as quack therapy and would tend to refer to any practitioner who prescribed laetrile whether licensed or not as a quack there are unethical behaviors such as ordering unneccessary tests to increase fees which i would not lable as quackish but prescribing known ineffective therapies seems to me to be one of the hallmarks of a quack david rind one of the responsibilities of a licensed physician is to read the medical literature to keep up with changes in medical practice all the clamor over laetril resulted in the nci spending quite a bit of money on clinical trials which proved to me anyway that laetril was ineffective against cancer a physician who continued to use it when better more effective treatments are available may deserve to be called a quack anti fungals are in a different class the big question seems to be is it reasonable to use them in patients with gi distress or sinus problems that could be due to candida blooms following the use of broad spectrum antibiotics gorden rubenfeld through e mail has assured me that most physicians recognize the chance of candida blooms occuring after broad spectrum antibiotic use and they therefore reinnoculate their patients with good bacteria to restore competetion for candida in the body i do not believe that this is yet a standard part of medical practice he deals with critical care patients where fungal infection systemic is a real problem and just because he tries to keep good bacteria in his patients does not mean that all physicians do this i think that aspergillis is more likely to be found in the sinus mucus membranes than is candida women have been known for a very long time to suffer from candida blooms in the vagina and a women is lucky to find a physician who is willing to treat the cause and not give give her advise to use the otc anti fungal creams since candida colonizes primarily in the ano rectal area gi symptoms should be more common than vaginal problems after broad spectrum antibiotic use the problem we have here david is proof that gi discomfort can be caused by a candida bloom the arguement is that without proof no action is warrented medicine has not and probalby never will be practiced this way there has always been the use of conventional wisdom a very good example is kidney stones conventional wisdom because clinical trails have not been done to come up with an effective prevention was that restricitng the intake of calcium and oxalates was the best way to prevent kidney stones from forming clinical trials focused on drugs or ultrasonic blasts to breakdown the stone once it formed through the recent new england j of medicine article we now know that conventional wisdom was wrong increasing calcium intake is better at preventing stone formation than is restricting calcium intake the conventional wisdom in animal husbandry has been that animals need to be reinnoculated with good bacteria after coming off antibiotic therapy if it makes sense for livestock why doesnt it make sense for humans david we are not talking about a dangerous treatment unless you consider yogurt dangerous if this were a standard part of medical practice as gordon r says it is then the incidence of gi distress and vaginal yeast infections should decline marty b cars re new saturn argument in article c50p1m 21o noose ecn purdue edu rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu robert j wade writes ok how about this to argue about why does the sl2 have a much lower base price than the sc2 its over 1k cheaper i forget the exact amount doesnt it cost more to have the extra doors windows locks motors etc that are in the 4 door perhaps it is just a marketing deal people want the 2door so they will pay the extra 1 2k the sc1 sc2 has a shorter wheel base than the sl sl1 sl2 sw1 sw2 just a thought ithink your right though james lee a t t bell labs murray hill n j 07974 room 2a 336 201 582 4420 att conceps jwl medicine image processing software for pc i am posting the following for my brother please post your replies or send him email to his address at the end of his message thank you my supervisor is looking for a image analysis software for ms dos we need something to measure lengths and areas on micrographs sometime in the future we may expand to do some densitometry for gels etc weve found lots of ads and info for the jandel scientific products sigmascan and java but we have not been able to find any competing products we would appreciate any comments on these products and suggestions comments on other products we should consider thanks donald userdono mtsg ubc ca cars re instead of a saturn sc2 what srihari cirrus com srihari shoroff writes in ifn spo00iv18 a8nz andrew cmu edu jr4q andrew cmu edu jason m roth writes r t had an article on cars of the sc1 ilk and they liked the civic ex the escort gt and the mx 3 best of all and the sc1 was way down the list except for braking i just looked at that article first of all this summary is inaccurate of 10 cars the sc1 was 5th right behind these mentioned and the suzuki swift as has been pointed out it was a semi silly comparison the saturn was at least 500 cheaper than the mx 3 and escort admittedly negligible but an issue and 1500 less than the honda the stated goal was a base under 12k the honda was 500 over while the sc2 at the same price was excluded in other words they let the best honda play but not the best saturn note that the saturn did beat the 13k i dont know about the car comparison but as far as the price goes rest assured that the street prices for the mx 3 and escort and maybe even the honda will be lesser than that of the saturn youre talking about all price comparisons ive seen are based on msrp and of course the saturn dealer will sell the car for sticker price whereas the others will do it way below sticker srihari id hate to rehash an old thread but would someone kindly quote a prices that a dealer quotes for a civic ex and escort gt also im a assuming that the mx 3 was the v 6 so go ahead and look that up too if someone has one of those yearly buyers guides that give a low quote price please quote them too then find the the sc1 base price thanks chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart c 1981 quick to judge quick to anger slow to understand ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand medicine re need advice with doctor patient relationship problem id dump him rude is rude and it seems he enjoys belittling and humiliating you but dont just dump him write to him and tell him why you are firing him if you can think about sending a copy of your letter to whoever is in charge of the clinic where he works if applicable or maybe even to the ama dont be vindictive in your letter be truthful but very firm but dont be a victim and just put up with it take control itll make you feel great nancy m nancy p milligan npm netcom com or npm dale cts com baseball re new home for the bosox mif101 psuvm psu edu writes i heard about a month back that the red sox are getting a new dome stadium i have relatives that just moved up that way and they said about the city releasing the funds can anybody verify this to a game bosox fan in pa i have lived in the boston area for 15 years now they have been talking about a new boston garden hockey basketball since ive lived here one day the last hurdle has been overcome and the next day theres a new hurdle fans have been grumbling about foxboro stadium or whatever its called this year for nearly as long but there are only preliminary proposals for a new stadium local politics prevents anything from being done in a timely fashion there will not be a new ballpark in my lifetime max logan nashua nh windows re mouse on com3 om3 or com4 in windows in article c4v5p3 jyf bcstec ca boeing com isbell bcstec ca boeing com robert isbell writes jpaparel cs ulowell edu joseph paparella writes i am having a problem configuring the mouse in windows to use com3 with irq5 com1 and com2 are being used to support two 24 hour bbs lines there you go com1 and com3 use the same irq therefore you cant use a mouse on com3 and a modem on com1 or vice versa its a limitation of dos and in fact windows will not see a mouse on anything other than com1 or com2 accept this fact and either get a bus mouse or get a new computer i would also like to know if it is possible to use the mouse on ports other than com1 or com2 no the advice above applies greg franklin franklig gas uug arizona edu medicine re eye dominance in article 1993apr19 171938 17930 porthos cc bellcore com jil donuts0 uucp jamie lubin writes in article 19671 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article c5e2g7 877 world std com rsilver world std com richard silver writes is there a right eye dominance eyedness as there is an overall right handedness in the population i mean do most people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the other if so what kinds of percentages can be attached to this there is eye dominance same as handedness and usually for the same side it has nothing to do with refractive error however i recall reading seeing that former baseball star chris chambliss hitting abilities were in part attributed to a combination of left handedness right eye dominance i was part of a study a few years ago at the university of arizona to see whether cross dominant individuals those with a particular handedness but who had dominance in the opposite eye were better hitters than those with same side dominance of hand and eye i was picked from my softball class because i was cross dominant right hand left eye which put me in a small minority and the grad student was trying to get an equal number of cross dominant and same side dominant people to control the study she used a pitching machine fast pitch since i was used to slow pitch i didnt come close actually i think i foul tipped a few to hitting the ball if there were a lot of people like me in her study i e those who cant hit fast pitch or are not used to hitting off a machine i would seriously question the results of that study i think there have been some studies of major league players across a fairly large cross section of players to test whether eye dominance being the same or opposite side was better but i dont know the results the woman who ran the study i was in said that there was a higher incidence of crossdominance in major leaguers than across the general population but im not sure whether id believe her janice rathmann medicine re diet for crohns ibd in article 1993apr23 211108 26887 midway uchicago edu bmdelane quads uchicago edu brian manning delaney wrote one thing that i havent seen in this thread is a discussion of the relation between ibd inflammation and the profile of ingested fatty acids fas i was diagnosed last may w crohns of the terminal ileum when i got out of the hospital i read up on it a bit and came across several studies investigating the role of epa an essentially fa in reducing inflammation the evidence was mixed many of these studies are discussed in inflammatory bowel disease macdermott stenson 1992 but if i recall correctly there were some methodological bones to be picked with the studies both the ones w pos and w neg results in the studies patients were given epa a few grams day for most of the studies but if i recall correctly there was no restriction of the other fas that the patients could consume from the informed laypersons perspective this seems mistaken if lots of n 6 fas are consumed along with the epa then the ratio of bad prostanoid products to good prostanoid products could still be fairly bad isnt this ratio the issue whats the view of the gastro community on epa these days epa supplements along with a fairly severe restriction of other fas appear to have helped me significantly though it could just be the low absolute amount of fat i eat 8 10 calories brian bmdelane midway uchicago edu as you note the research is mixed so there is no consensus on the role of fatty acids in ulcerative colitis there is a role for short chain fatty acids in patients with colostomies and rectal pouches that are inflammed short is butyrate and shorter there may be a role for treatment of uc with short chain fatty acids and i am looking forward to the upcoming aga meeting in boston to see what people are doing you raise a hypothesis about the studies and restriction of other fatty acids you should contact the authors directly about that or even write a letter to the editor it is a good point by the way the abbreviation epa is not in general use so i do not know what fatty acid you are speaking about and to brian an u of c there is a physician named stephen hanauer there who is a recognized expert in the treatment of ibd you might give him a call he is interested in new combinations of drugs for the treatment of ibd if you call please say hello to him from me i was looking at u of c for a position and perhaps still am and be sure to look into joining the ccfa best of luck steve holland windows any updated canon bj 200 driver hi can anyone tell me where i can get a copy of updated canon bj 200 printer driver for windows 3 1 if any i have ver 1 0 which comes with my bj 200 printer i just wonder if there is any newer version thanks very much please email windows re out of environment space running bat files from windows i have a bat file that i run under a windows icon i have set up a pif file to run the bat file in exclusive mode and to use the entire screen the first line of the bat file sets an environment variable my problem is that on some of our machines running ms dos 5 0 and windows 3 1 in enhanced mode the set command in the bat file fails with the out of environment space error i have raised the amount of environment space to 2048 bytes using the shell command in config sys so i know that i am nowhere near to running out from the windows resource toolkit for win4workgroups add an entry to your system ini file under the nonwindowsapp section commandenvsize nnnn this sets the command com env size where nnnn must either be 0 or between 160 and 32768 a value of 0 disables the setting if this value is too small or too big it is rounded up to 160 or down to 32768 if the value is less than the current size of the actual environment this setting is disabled as if it were 0 if you specify the environment size in a pif file for command com the pif setting overrides this setting the default is 0 with msdos versions earlier than 3 2 otherwise the default value is the e option in the shell command in config sys to set this value you must edit your system ini and reboot i have used this entry as well as relied on the default e from the config sys shell line and both give larger environments if you dont use one of these then the environment passed by windows to each new dos box is just a little bit bigger than the environment variables present when windows was started no matter how big the dos env was when windows starts it truncates all unused space except for a few bytes this should allow your batch file to run but your mileage may vary jerome jerry schneider domain jls atg com aspen technology group uucp uunet csn atglab jls po box 673 ft collins co 80522 voice 303 484 1488 medicine re chronic sinus and antibiotics in article dehp 117 calvin edu dehp calvin edu phil de haan writes in article 1qk708inna12 mojo eng umd edu georgec eng umd edu george b clark writes you can also swab the inside of your nose with bacitracin using a q tip bacitracin is an antibiotic that can be bought otc as an ointment in a tube the doctor i listen to on the radio says to apply it for 30 days while you are taking other antibiotics by mouth i have a new doctor who gave me a prescription today for something called septra ds he said it may cause gi problems and i have a sensitive stomach to begin with anybody ever taken this antibiotic any good suggestions for avoiding an upset stomach other tips ive taken septra my daughter has taken it many times for ear infections it works sometimes it is a sulfa drug about the only problem i found was that im sensitive and developed a rash after nine days of a ten day course no more septra for me my doctor was remiss in not telling me to watch out for a rash i was quite in the dark and didnt realize that it could be a drug reaction no harm done though doug douglas s rand drand osf org osf motif dev snail 11 cambridge center cambridge ma 02142 disclaimer i dont know if osf agrees with me lets vote on it amateur radio kc1kj cars re impala ss going into in a previous article george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org george howell says gm has always screwed the rest of the divisions in favor of the corvette the current platform is no exception the detuned camaro and firebird is a load of crap to keep people from realizing that they can buy one of these instead of a corvette and save about 10 000 i like the idea of an impala ss but if they really wanted to impress me they would throw in a big phat 454 imagine the cops in their taurus police package 3 0 and 3 8 litres as they stare at your taillights gimme a break you know chevyd screw that up just like that almost great truck with the big phat 454 have you ever seen the mufflers on that thing its amazing it moves which isnt to say its not a good idea but im quite sure chevyd screw it up the same way drew george howell m m ooo ppp aaa rrr mm mm o o p p a a r r m m m o o ppp aaaaa rrr m m o o p a a r r m m ooo p a a r r ford better living through american horsepower george howell george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org baseball re fenway gif id love to see a shea stadium gif sean behind the bag vin scully windows re good autoexec bat and config sys for windows 3 1 in 1993may9 225637 42641 datamark co nz thomas datamark co nz thomas beagle writes there is no need to load emm386 qemm or anything else on many windows pcs its only useful if you are still stuck with running msdos based applications that need lots of low memory free otherwise you just need to load himem sys and let windows go straight to the extended memory thats what i thought thats why i never used emm386 exe before kirk membry our age is the age of industry rutgers viamar kmembry alexander rodchenko windows diamond viper hi folks at the end of the summer im planning on getting a new computer 486dx50 or 486dx2 66 and have been poking around in computer shopper anyway i saw the ads for the diamond viper local bus 2mb memory 50 million winmarks and was wondering if anyone has had any experience with it good bad not worth the money etc any information at all would be nice also a few other questions anyone know of a good cheap 15 1024x768 ni monitor and what is a good cd rom drive that meets mpc standards and is controlled via scsi how about a 250mb tape drive on scsi thanks for your time brent casavant bcasavan mailhost ecn uoknor edu medicine re blood cholesterol gabe mirkins advice in article 1pka0uinnnqa mojo eng umd edu georgec eng umd edu george b clark writes forget about total cholesterol when assessing health risk factors instead use a relationship between ldl and hdl cholesterol if your ldl is you need an hdl of at least 90 35 100 45 110 50 120 55 130 60 140 70 gee what do i do my ldl is only 50 60 and my hdl is only 23 25 i must be risking something but is it the same risk as those with very high ldl if your triglycerides are above 300 and your hdl is below 30 the drug of choice is gemfibrozil lopid taken as a 600mg tablet thirty minutes before your morning and evening meals what about exercise and a low fat diet what are the long term effects of this drug doug bank private systems division dougb ecs comm mot com motorola communications sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg illinois dougb casbah acns nwu edu 708 576 8207 guns re insane gun toting wackos unite in article 1993apr16 030706 3318 ucsu colorado edu fcrary ucsu colorado edu frank crary writes do you know how many deaths each year are caused by self inflicted gun shot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters there are roughly 1200 fatal firearms related accidents each year the large majority involve rifles and shotgun there are under 500 fatal handgun accidents each year i really doubt all of those occur while the pistol is holstered so the number of self inflicted gunshot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters is probably well under 250 per year im neither a doctor nor a firearms tech expert but it would seem that given the way a holstered gun points accidental injuries inflicted that way would be among the least lethal david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al cars re lexus and infiniti in article 1993apr23 105438 3245 msus1 msus edu w00026 tigger stcloud msus edu writes first off the correct spelling of nissans luxury automobile division is infiniti not infinity who cares about typos of these meaningless synthetic names if the cars were named after a person e g honda id be more respectful lexus gs300 v6 es300 v6 sc300 v6 wrong the gs300 and sc300 use straight sixes while the es300 uses a v6 only a giant like toyota can afford to have both a v6 and inline 6 in its lineup but that wont last for long eliot religion on line book of mormon newsgroups talk religion misc subject on line copy of book of mormon summary followup to distribution usa organization advanced decision systems mtn view ca 415 960 7300 keywords bom book of mormon mormon can anyone provide me a ftp site where i can obtain a online version of the book of mormon please email the internet address if possible william h moore advanced decision systems division of booz allen hamilton software engineer 1500 plymouth street net wmoore ads com mountain view ca 94043 1230 415 960 7553 guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 its truly unfortunate that we dont have the japanese tradition of hari kari for public officials to salvage some tatters of honor after they commit offenses against humanity like were perpetrated in waco texas today dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com im beginning to look forward to reaching the 100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt at that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds baseball re and americas team is but why in article c5p6xq gui me utoronto ca steinman me utoronto ca david steinman writes cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes the defenition of the underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend the 69 mets and 89 orioles are prime examples not the cubs sorry but it is virtually impossible to win a division with no talent over 162 games well with players certainly however it is quite possible to win it all with no managerial talent cf blue jays 1992 david david shapiro people can call it a monkey but i felt like shapiro david yale edu i had a piano on my back all winter long shapiro minerva cis yale edu the piano is off my back maybe a trombone will be next stan belinda cars re mercury villager minivan good buy in article c5ydwp 6g0 ncube com bob ncube com bob kehoe writes curiously and consider these are test vehicles i found the mercury higher in build quality than the nissan this is very curious being that they are both built by mercury in the very same factory steve stephen yavorski internet yavo ivy paramax com nexrad integration phone 215 443 7500 paramax systems corporation ivyland pennsylvania cars compilation of problems aw my 85 caprice classic with 120k miles has finally reached the threshold of total number of mechanical problems that i am forced to post anyone out there who might be able to give me some pointers on one or more of the below please e mail or post aw 1 when making turns especially when accelerating there is usually a loud thunk from the rear of of the car sounds like it could be the differential wheel bearing ujoint aw 2 on starting the car i get blue oil smoke from the exhaust for 5 10 seconds exhaust valves bad valve stem seals aw 3 brakes more pedal travel than i feel comfortable with but master cylinder is full and fluid is worn pads rear brakes not adjusted up tight or worn out drums 90 of low pedal complaints usually are from a rear brake problem aw 4 tranny tranny problems seem to be slowly getting worse takes almost 2 seconds to downshift from 3rd to 2nd on heavy throttle application and more recently it is reluctant to shift from 2nd to 3rd fluid checked with car running with tranny put through all the gears and then back to park as per haynes manual is red and clear and is on full mark possible modulator valve if equipped with one also could be the kickdoen cable aw 5 my springs all around are just about shot i have 4 new shocks on but car still skips out on bumps in turns at moderate to high speed how hard are they to change can they be reconditioned difficult on front easy on rear they are not expensive about 75 100 for front and less than 50 for the rear its also kind of dangerous to work on the front springs without the proper equipment don slmr 2 1a i put spot remover on my dog spots gone ye olde bailey bbs 713 520 1569 v 32bis 713 520 9566 v 32bis houston texas yob sccsi com home of alt cosuard medicine mind machines i recently learned about these devices that supposedly induce specific brain wave frequencies in their users simply by wearing them mind machines consist of led gogles head phones and a microprocessor that controls them they strobe the closed eye and send sound pulses in sync with the flashing leds i understand that these devices are experimental but they are available ive heard claims that they can induce sleep and light trance states for relaxation essentially they are supposed to work without aid of drugs etc i would think that if they work as reported they would be incredibly useful the few sources ive seen are biased they are selling the things and a friend who has tried them claims that every home should have one so do these mind machines aka light and sound machines work can they induce alpha theta and or delta waves in a person wearing them what research if any has been done on them could they be used in lieu of a tranquilizer or are they just another bit of quackery web homer homer tripos com windows more info on windows help files here is the latest on relocating your help files to a server the winhelp function as i am told by ms does search your path so relocating ms windows helpfiles wont be a problem as long as you include the path to where you move them to however if an application has hardcoded the path into their code so that when winhelp is invoked it searches the given path i e winhelp hwnd c amipro for example then winhelp does not search your path and instead looks only to that directory where you have installed your software i tested this out on a variety of software packages i moved all my helpfiles to the drive z and included this in the path statement here is the results for different software packages norton desktop found helpfiles windows v3 1 for workgroups found helpfiles windows v3 1 found helpfiles ms powerpoint v3 0 found helpfiles ms word found helpfiles ms excel v4 0a did not find helpfiles strange ms foxpro v2 5 for windows found helpfiles lotus amipro v3 0 did not find helpfiles procomm plus for windows did not find helpfiles i guess this is better than nothing but it would make sense to be able to specify a global path for helpfiles if anyone has any comments or if i can help anyone or if i left something out please let me know lhighley gozer idbsu edu thanks for the help from everyone especially jagrant emr1 emr ca more info on this topic as it develops windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 14822 news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu kurt bollacker writes i agree no one ever definitively met my challenge only batted around semantics oh well i guess things did turn out as i expected hmmm i gave two examples which matched your objective criteria and your response was some subjective claptrap about them being lame you never did counter the fact that those examples fit your objective criteria one wonders whos playing semantic games here rick schaut uucp uunet uw beaver microsoft richs microsoft doesnt speak for me and i dont speak for microsoft medicine re barbecued foods and health risk this reminds me of the last graham kerr cooking show i saw today he smoked meat on the stovetop in a big pot he used a strange technique id never seen before he took a big pot with lid and placed a tray in it made from aluminum foil the tray was about the size and shape of a typical coffee table ash tray made by crumpling a sheet of foil around the edges in the tray he placed a couple spoonfuls of brown sugar a similar quantity of brown rice he said any rice will do the contents of two teabags of earl grey tea and a few cloves on top of this was placed an ordinary aluminum basket type steamer with two chicken breasts in it the lid was put on and the whole assembly went on the stovetop at high heat for 10 or 12 minutes later he removed what looked like smoked chicken breasts what surprises and concerns me are 1 no wood chips where does the smoke flavor come from 2 about 5 or 10 years ago i remember hearing that carmel color obtained by caramelizing sugar a common coloring and flavoring agent had been found to be carcinogenic i believe they injected it under the skin of rats or something if the results were conclusive caramel color would not be legal in the u s yet it is still being used was the initial research result found to be incorrect or what 3 about 5 or 10 years ago i remember earl grey tea being implicated as carcinogenic because it contains oil of bergamot an extract from the skin of a type of citrus fruit does anyone know whatever happened with that story if it were carcinogenic earl grey tea could not have it as an additive yet it apparently continues to do so wrt natural wood smoke ive smoking a duck right now as it happens ive noticed that a heavily smoked food item will have an unpleasant tangy taste when eaten directly out of the smoker if the smoke has only recently stopped flowing i find the best taste to be had by using dry wood chips getting lots of smoke right up at the beginning of the cooking process then slowly barbequing for hours and hours without adding additional wood chips my theory is that the unpleasant tangy molecules are low molecular weight stuff like terpenes and that the smoky flavor molecules are some sort of larger molecule more similar to tar the long barbeque time after the initial intensive smoke drives off the low molecular weight stuff just leaving the flavor behind does anyone know if my theory is correct i also remember hearing that the combustion products of fat dripping on the charcoal and burning are carcinogenic for that reason and because it covers the product with soot and some unpleasant tanginess i only grill non drippy meats like prawns directly over hot coals i do stuff like this duck by indirect heat i have a long rectangular weber and i put the coals at one end and the meat at the other end the fat drops directly on the floor below the meat and next time i use the barbeque i make the fire in that end to burn off the fat and help ignite the coals and yet another reason ive heard not to smoke or barbeque meat is that smoked cured meat like pork sausage and bacon contains nitrosamines which are carcinogenic im pretty sure this claim actually has some standing dont know about the others an amusing incident i recall was the duncan hines scandal when it was discovered that the people who make duncan hines cake mix were putting a lot of ethylene dibromide edb into the cake mix to suppress weevils this is a fumigant which is known to be carcinogenic the guy who represented the company in the press conference defended himself by saying that the risk from eating duncan hines products every day for a year would be equal to the cancer risk from eating two charcoal broiled steaks what a great analogy when i first heard that my immediate reaction was we should make that a standard unit one charcoal broiled steak would be equivalent to 0 5 duncans cars re warning please read larose austin cs utk edu brian larose writes this just a warning to everybody on the net watch out for folks standing next to the road or on overpasses they can cause serious harm to you and your car just a cliff notes version of my story follows 10pm last night i was travelling on the interstate here in knoxville i was taking an offramp exit to another interstate and my wife suddenly screamed and something large hit the side of my truck we slowed down but after looking back to see the vandals standing there we drove on to the police station she did get a good look at the guy and saw him cock his arm with something the size of a cinderblock but i never saw him we are very lucky the truck sits up high on the road if it would have hit her window it would have killed her the police are looking for the guy but in all likelyhood he is gone i am a very good driver knock on wood but it was night time and i never saw the guy the police said they thought the motive was to hit the car have us stop to check out the damage and then jump us and take the truck please be aware of folks and for your own good please dont stop peace brian larose larose cs utk edu 12 3103 essary rd knoxville tn 37918 as long as were on the subject several years ago myself and two others were riding in the front of a toyota pickup heading south on interstate 5 north of seattle wa someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our windshield not by accident im sure it was impossible to get up to the overpass quickly to see who did it we figured it was kids reported it and left a couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company he was in his mid fourties and left behind a wife and children turned out there was a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away they caught the 14 year old that did it they put a cover over the overpass what else could they do i dont think ill over forget this story neil williams boeing computer services bellevue wa medicine usmle formerly national boards part 1 request to medical students this request goes out to medical students who have done or are planning to sit the usmle or national boards part 1 my wife is sitting this examination in early june this year and would like to have a look at some old national boards part 1 questions found in the following books these books are currently out of print the books are 1 retired nbme basic medical science test items nbme published by nbme in 1991 2 self test in the part 1 basic medical sciences nbme published by nbme in 1989 i would appreciate if anyone who has these books is willing to loan it to her for a couple of days obviously i would reimburse for you all postage and related charges failing that it would be beneficial if anyone could point to any library in the ny nj or pa area that may have these books please respond by e mail since i do not read this newsgroup regularly thanks in advance daniel e mail daniel learning siemens com baseball re professional sports on fm radio in article 1993apr23 123208 1 tesla njit edu slutsky tesla njit edu writes i am curious to known if there are any professional sports teams whose games are regularly broadcast on an fm station the only one i am aware of is wysp in philadelphia who carries the eagles games if you respond to me i will summarize for the list wip is the real home of the eagles merril reese and the birds on fm radio what a joke a classic rock station at that whats the sports world coming to when i think of a good signature it will be right about here until then this stupid message will have to do go phillies cars re too fast this whole discussion is just a religous war id rather have a 93 rx 7 than the mustang 5 0l for 3 times the price thats how you explain porsches selling some folks would rather have the stang shrug sean test signature windows re utility for updating win ini and system ini in article 1993apr20 180234 18192 oz plymouth edu oddjob oz plymouth edu andrew c stoffel writes in article 1993apr20 151912 18590 midway uchicago edu am37 midway uchicago edu writes unless i am completely misunderstanding you try using either notepad or sysedit exe found in your system subdirectory to edit you ini files you can add sysedit regedit to a program group they are windows programs the sysedit exe program is cool because it automatically opens you win ini system ini autoexec bat and config sys files to be edited is it possible to get it to load other ini files no when the program is run it loads 4 configuration files autoexec bat config sys win ini and system ini there is no open entry on the file menu you can only edit these four files if you need to edit some other programs ini file use notepad or some other ascii editor i wonder whether microsoft intended for sysedit to be used or if it was just a holdover from the testing period and they forgot to take it out the reason i think this is because there is absolutely no mention in the manuals about this program and there is no online help for it just an about entry under the file menu the program looks like something that was intended for internal use only its kind of a shame though it would have made a nice multi file replacement for notepad daniel silevitch dmsilev athena mit edu massachusetts institute of technology religion 22 apr 93 gods promise in psalm 34 5 they looked unto him and were lightened and their faces were not ashamed psalm 34 5 medicine hypodermic syringe while i dont have an answer for you i reckon blaise pascal is generally credited with inventing the syringe per se i dont know much about the needles however i do know of a southwest virginia country doctor who some thrity or more years ago invented patented used and sold a syringe hypodermic needle combination that retracted injected with the flip of a trigger then retracted giving a near painless injection the fellow was dr daniel gabriel and it was termed the gabriel somebody else syringe did you come across that one plastic disposable syringes came onto the market about that time and his product went by the wayside to my knowledge medicine re twitching eyelid im surprised nobody mentioned that twitching of the eyelid can be a symptom of an infection especially if it also itches or stings it happened to me and antibiotic eyedrops cleared it up nicely michael a covington internet mcovingt ai uga edu artificial intelligence programs phone 706 542 0358 the university of georgia fax 706 542 0349 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi medicine re thrush was good grief was re candida albicans what is it dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes in article 21apr199308571323 ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdy ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdy m writes dyer is beyond rude ill drink to that yeah yeah yeah i didnt threaten to rip your lips off did i snort there have been and always will be people who are blinded by their own knowledge and unopen to anything that isnt already established given what the medical community doesnt know im surprised that he has this outlook duh nice to see steve still has his high and almighty intellectual prowess in tact for the record i have had several outbreaks of thrush during the several past few years with no indication of immunosuppression or nutritional deficiencies i had not taken any antobiotics listen thrush is a recognized clinical syndrome with definite characteristics if you have thrush you have thrush because you can see the lesions and do a culture and when you treat it it generally responds well if youre not otherwise immunocompromised norings anal retentive idee fixe on having a fungal infection in his sinuses is not even in the same category here nor are these walking neurasthenics who are convinced they have candida from reading a quack book yawn my dentist who sees a fair amount of thrush recommended acidophilous after i began taking acidophilous on a daily basis the outbreaks ceased when i quit taking the acidophilous the outbreaks periodically resumed i resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then so exactly my question to you steve whats your point this person had one you didnt steve dyer nice to see that some things never change steve if you arent being ignorant in one group alternative youre into another one positive thing came out of it you are no longer bothering the folks in alternative its just a shame that these people have to suffer so that others may breath freely sorry for wasting bandwidth folks dont forget to bow down once every second day and to offer your first born to the almight omniscient omnipotent mr steve medicine re homeopathy a respectable medical tradition gordon banks geb cs pitt edu wrote in article 3794 nlsun1 oracle nl rgasch nl oracle com robert gasch writes from a business point of view it might make sense it depends on the personality of the practitioner if he can charm the patients into coming homeopathy can be very profitable it wont be covered by insurance however just keep that in mind myself id have in many european countries homepathy is accepted as a method of curing or at least alleiating many conditions to which modern medicine has no answer in most of these countries insurance pays for the treatments accepted by whom not by scientists there are people in every country who waste time and money on quackery in britain and scandanavia where i have worked it was not paid for what are most of these countries i dont believe you in holland insurences pay for homeopathic treatment in germany they do so as well i austria they do if you have a condition which can not be helped by normal medicine happened to me switzerland seems to be the same as austria i have direct experience in the swiss case at the univeristy of vienna i believe innsbruck as well homeopathy can be taken in med school i found that in combination with acupuncture it changed my life from living hell to a condition which enables me to lead a relatively normal life i found that modern medicine was powerless to cure me of a severe case of neurodermitis note i mean cure not surpress the symptoms which is what modern medicine attempts to do in the case of neurodermitis im not saying that homeopathy is scientific but that it can offer help in areas in which modern medicine is absolutely helpless from reading your aritcle it seems that your have some deeply rooted beliefs about this issue this is not intended to be offensive or sarcastic it just sounded like that to me which makes me doubt if you can read this with an open mind if you do can please excuse my last comment robert rgasch nl oracle com windows re what does the bmp format mean andrew l roberts robertsa unix2 tcd ie wrote what exactly does the windows bitmap format look like i mean how is the data stored width height no of colours bitmap data i couldnt find anything in ths user manual is there any other reference material which would give me this information thanks andrew try the windows multimedia development kit it has most of the file formats defined cars re new integra for 94 in article c63ypt 47d tsegw tse com pbhandar tsegw tse com parminder bhandari writes ive heard unconfirmed rumours that there is a new integra being released for 94 well you can just about set your watch by honda releasing new models every 4 years and an upgrade half way through the cars life the local acura dealership tells me that the new integra will be out very soon i e may june its hard to find specific details as the integra has been deleted from most of the rest of the world i have seen them in canada and australia as well as the u s but it was discontinued after the first generation in europe normally you can see new japanese models appear in europe or japan first and extrapolate from there c d reported that the engine would be a carryover i think craig does anybody have any info on this the local sales people know as much as i can throw them parms still no sig medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article c5l9ws jn2 unx sas com sasghm theseus unx sas com gary merrill writes in article 1993apr16 155919 28040 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes flights of fancy and other irrational approaches are common the crucial thing is not to sit around just having fantasies they arent of any use unless they make you do some experiments simple example warren jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a dna electrophoresis gel of human alu fragments he got very excited but why do you characterize this as a flight of fancy or a fantasy while i am unfamiliar with the scientific context here it appears obvious that his speculation for lack of a better or more neutral word was at least in significant part a consequence of his knowledge of and acceptance of current theory coupled with his observations it would appear that something quite rational was going on as he attempted to fit his observation into that theory or to tailor the theory to cover the observation whether a scientific idea comes while one is staring out the window or dreaming or having a fantasy or watching an apple fall newton or sitting in a bath archimedes it is ultimately the result of a lot of intense scientific thinking done beforehand letting ones mind roam freely and giving rein to ones intuition can be a useful way of coming up with new ideas but only when one has done a lot of rational analysis of the problem first scientific intuition is not something one is born with it is something that one learns maybe we dont understand completely how it is learned but training in systematic scientific thinking is certainly one of the key elements in developing it informal exploration is also often an important element in finding new scientific ideas one thinks for instance of darwins naturalistic studies in the galapagos islands which led him to the ideas for the theory of evolution this is why i am offended by a definition of science that emphasizes empirical verification and does not recognize thinking and informal exploration as important scientific work i agree that mere speculation does not deserve to be called science i also think that mere empirical studies not directed by good scientific thinking are at best a very poor kind of science in article 1qk92linnl55 im4u cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes i think that lee lady and i are talking at cross purposes lady seems concerned with the contrast between great science that makes big advances in our knowledge and mediocre science that makes smaller steps in most of this thread i have been concerned with the difference between what is science and what is not i dont think that science should be defined in a way that some of the activities that lead to really important science namely thinking and informal exploration are not recognized as scientific work in the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lady uhunix bitnet medicine re lyme vaccine jeff if you have time to type it in id love to have the reference for that paper thanks kathleen richards email karicha eis calstate edu sometimes youre the windshield sometimes youre the bug dire straits baseball re lame dumb and useless question in article 93109 184451rvesterm vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes ok there are three balls on this batter the pitcher proceeds to bean the batter is that a walk or a hit by pitch bob vesterman its gotta be an hbp doug roberts watching chris nabholz pitch reminds me of a quote by bart simpson come on snipers where are you go expos guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in 1r2cat 5a9 geraldo cc utexas edu mikey ccwf cc utexas edu writes cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas do you eat all your food cold thank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it i cant stand it when peoples first reaction is to defend the aggressor minor quibble the assualt and it was one began near dawn the fire did not break out for several hours i find it highly unlikely that the bd would be cooking lunch while armored vehicles punch holes in their house and are pumping in tear gas the lantern story makes more sense except the fire seemed to spread too quickly even given the nature of the buildings and the very high winds and it was daylight but i guess in the innner recesses it could be dark shutters probably closed as well which puts us back to the fbi did it or the bd did it or some other screw up occured which is quite possible the problem with the fbi as a monolithic entity doing it is that it requires everybody involved to keep their mouths shut while they tended to behave like total idiots that does not make them homocidal maniacs either and if it was one nutcase agent then it serves no purpose to blame the whole agency i can believe that a real nut case like a koresh would start such a fire but im far from convinced he actually did so then again i rarely go off making blanket condemnations and pronouncments within 2 hours of a very confusing incident over 175 miles away semper fi jammer jim miller texas a m university 89 and 91 i dont speak for uh which is too bad because they could use the help become one with the student billing system be the student billing system power finds its way to those who take a stand stand up ordinary man rik emmet gil moore mike levine triumph windows is it possible hello is it possible to know minimize program manager when starting an application and to restore it when the application is ended if possible please tell me how to do it forever 23 michael jordan tony g wu gtonwu uz nthu edu tw cae rheology lab nthu tony che nthu edu tw windows re looking for printer driver jeremi ee ualberta ca william jeremiah writes im looking for a c itoh printer driver for windows 3 1 does anybody happen to know where i could find such a beast uh slight clarification that should be a printer driver for the c itoh lips10 laser printer thanks again thanks in advance jerry look ma no signature cars re viper car alarms mcrosbie batman bmd trw com writes in article c605fr cdo cs uiuc edu u1815 cs uiuc edu ronald e garnett writes hello auto enthusiasts stuff deleted viper also sells some fancy field disturbance sensor that supposedly detects people approcahing the car this is primarily for convertibles i have a convertible and have looked at this feature in detail alpine actually makes a better radar unit if you want to get one of these it has zones in it that can be shut down independently so that if one side of your car has pedestrian traffic or something else that would trigger an alarm it shuts down the zone or rather pulls it in tighter i dont see the real benefit to these unless you have a convertible that you leave the top down on avoid the voice alarm that can be added to the radar package it talks to people as they walk by i saw one installed on a lotus esprit the kids would taunt it seeing how close they could get before it warned them to get back the owner finally disabled it which defeats the purpose in my mind stuff deleted ron garnett more stuff deleted merrill my neighbor runs a viper r distributorship and installs them on all saturns sold in my area anne arundel county md he has an sc with the viper voice alarm installed the alarm does everything turn on the car the radio the heater roll down windows unlock the doors the alarm goes off more frequently on hot days when a person walks by it gets sensitive up to about 5 feet in 85degree heat it isnt as bad as convetional siren alarms because it doesnt continue to wail it just says protected by viper please stand back and shuts up mainly because the person walks away befuddled chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area religion re rw is robert weiss the only orthodox christian in article 93111 074840librba byuvm bitnet librba byuvm bitnet writes robert you keep making references to orthodox belief and saying things like it is held that cf kermit thread on what exact body of theology are you drawing for what you call orthodox who is that holds that luke meant what you said he meant whenever your personal interpretation of biblical passages is challenged your only response seems to be that one needs merely to look at the bible in order to see the truth but what of those who see biblical things differently from you are we to simply assume that you are the only one who really understands it rick i think we can safely say 1 robert is not the only person who understands the bible and 2 the leadership of the lds church historicly never has lets consider some personal interpretations and see how much trust we should put in orthodox mormonism which could never be confused with orthodox christianity in one of his attacks on christians the mormon apostle bruce r mcconkie said they thrash around in darkness in trying to identify elohim and jehovah and to show their relationship to the promised messiah he also said christians are wrong to believe that jehovah is the supreme deity god the father and that christ came into mortality as his only begotten son mcconkie then stated what mormons believe today to be the truth about the matter he said that elohim is the father and jehovah is the son being thus aware of how far astray the religious intellectualists have gone in defining their three in one god it comes as no surprise to learn that they thrash around in the same darkness in trying to identify elohim and jehovah and to show their relationship to the promised messiah some sectarians even believe that jehovah is the supreme deity whose son came into mortality as the only begotten as with their concept that god is a spirit this misinformation about the gods of heaven is untrue the fact is and it too is attested by holy writ that elohim is the father and that jehovah is the son who was born into mortality as the lord jesus christ the promised messiah promised messiah p 100 notice that mcconkie said the christians are as wrong about their three in one god and their belief that god is a spirit as they are in their understanding of who elohim and jehovah are before examining mcconkies attack and its validity we shall read a few more statements by mcconkie and other mormon sources concerning the words elohim and jehovah mcconkie stated the chief designation of christ that has been preserved for us in the old testament as that ancient work is now published is the exalted name title jehovah promised messiah p 367 elohim plural word though it is is also used as the exalted name title of god the eternal father a usage that connotes his supremacy and omnipotence he being god above all gods mormon doctrine p 224 agreeing with mcconkie on the question of who elohim and jehovah are the apostle james e talmage stated elohim as understood and used in the restored church of jesus christ is the name title of god the eternal father whose firstborn son in the spirit is jehovah the only begotten in the flesh jesus christ jesus the christ p 38 a doctrinal exposition by the first presidency and the twelve apostles of the mormon church states that god the eternal father is designate d by the exalted name title elohim articles of faith p 466 christ in his preexistent antemortal or unembodied state was known as jehovah articles of faith p 471 today mormon leaders teach that elohim in the ot refers to god the father and jehovah refers to christ mcconkie attacked christians for saying jehovah can refer to the father he stressed that these two name titles should not be changed around so that christ is called elohim and the father is called jehovah the father is elohim not jehovah jehovah is christ and christ is jehovah they are one and the same person promised messiah p 111 in the ot of the kjv of the bible the hebrew word elohim is used to refer to the true god false gods and goddesses and the judges of israel when referring to the true god elohim is translated with a capital g when referring to false gods and goddesses and the judges of israel it is translated with a small g it is translated four times as judges exod 21 6 22 8 9 once as judge 1 sam 2 25 twice as mighty gen 23 6 exod 9 28 once as angels ps 8 5 once as godly mal 2 15 once as great gen 30 8 and once as very great 1 sam 14 15 the word jehovah is the traditional pronunciation of the tetragrammation yhwh or yhvh with the vowel points taken from the word adonai many people believe the true pronunciation of the tetragrammation was yahweh or yahveh however since jehovah rather than yahweh is the word used by mormonism this section will also use jehovah instead of yahweh to examine the validity of the claims of mormon leaders regarding that name jehovah unlike elohim is never used of false gods it is the personal name of the triune god of the bible in the kjv jehovah is rendered primarily lord sometimes god and rarely lord now that we understand something about the words elohim and jehovah and their use by mormon leaders we shall consider the apostle mcconkies attack on christians for believing the father is jehovah in trying to prove that jehovah refers exclusively to christ mcconkie cited several verses from the bible some of these verses and mcconkies interpretation of them will be examined to see whether he was right remember mcconkie said the father is not jehovah he is only elohim the first example we shall consider involves mcconkies interpretation of ps 110 1 of this verse he stated of whom spake david when his tongue was touched by the holy spirit and he testified the lord said unto my lord sit thou at my right hand until i make thine enemies thy footstool ps 110 1 two lords are here involved one is speaking to the other one is greater than the other one is making provision for the triumph and glory of the other who are they and what message is contained in this messianic prophecy what think ye of christ our lord asked certain of his detractors toward the end of his mortal ministry whose son is he is christ the son of god or of someone else is he to be born of a divine parent or will he be as other men a mortal son of a mortal father that he was to be a descendant of david was a matter of great pride to all the jews and so they answered the son of david davids son truly he was but he was more much more and so our lord with irrefutable logic and to their complete discomfiture asked how then doth david in spirit call him lord saying the lord said unto my lord sit thou on my right hand till i make thine enemies thy footstool if david then call him lord how is he his son that is if he is only the son of david how is it that the great king acting under inspiration calls him lord and worships him as such and we might add who is the other lord the one who spake unto davids lord can there be any question as to how jesus is interpreting the words of the psalm he is saying that it means the father said unto the son elohim said unto jehovah sit thou on my right hand until after your mortal ministry then i will raise you up to eternal glory and exaltation with me where you will continue to sit on my right hand forever promised messiah pp 101 102 emphasis added agreeing with the above statement by mcconkie the following remark in the mormon pamphlet what the mormons think of christ p 6 reads the lord elohim the father said unto my lord jehovah the son brackets in original mcconkie clearly stated that it is elohim the father who is speaking to jehovah the son in this psalm however when one looks at the hebrew word translated lord it becomes apparent that either the first lord is not the father or else the father is jehovah either way mcconkie is wrong the psalm reads the lord jehovah said unto my lord adon sit thou at my right hand until i make thine enemies thy footstool ps 110 1 the first lord in this verse is jehovah who mormonism says is christ not the father the second lord is the hebrew word adon singular for adonai meaning master or lord if the first lord is the father and the second lord is the son then the father is jehovah and the son is adon however if the father is not jehovah as mcconkie claimed then the first lord is jehovah the son but who then is adon obviously the father is jehovah in this psalm and his son is adon another example involves isa 42 6 about which mcconkie stated the following i the lord have called thee in righteousness isaiah quoted the father as saying of christ and will hold thine hand and will keep thee and give thee for a covenant of the people for a light of the gentiles isa 42 6 promised messiah p 81 emphasis added mcconkie said the father was speaking of christ in this passage which reads i the lord jehovah have called thee in righteousness and will hold thine hand and will keep thee and give thee for a covenant of the people for a light of the gentiles isa 42 6 according to mcconkie i the lord refers to the father and thine and thee refer to christ however the lord who is speaking is jehovah which means either mcconkie was wrong about who is speaking or else the father is jehovah another example involves ps 22 7 8 of these verses mcconkie stated the same psalm says all they that see me laugh me to scorn they shoot out the lip they shake the head saying he trusted on the lord that he would deliver him let him deliver him seeing he delighted in him ps 22 7 8 the fulfillment as jesus hung on the cross is found in these words the chief priests mocking him with the scribes and elders said he saved others himself he cannot save if he be the king of israel let him now come down from the cross and we will believe him he trusted in god let him deliver him now if he will have him for he said i am the son of god the thieves also which were crucified with him cast the same in his teeth matt 27 41 44 promised messiah pp 530 531 emphasis added ps 22 7 8 reads as follows all they that see me laugh me to scorn they shoot out the lip they shake the head saying he trusted on the lord jehovah that he would deliver him let him deliver him seeing he delighted in him mcconkie said these verses had their fulfillment as jesus hung on the cross that means the person who was scorned in these verses was christ who then was the lord in whom he trusted it was jehovah the father another example involves ps 31 13 and ps 41 9 regarding them mcconkie stated the following with reference to the conniving and conspiring plots incident to our lords arrest and judicial trials the prophecy was they took counsel together against me they devised to take away my life ps 31 13 as to the role of judas in those conspiracies the psalmist says mine own familiar friend in whom i trusted which did eat of my bread hath lifted up his heel against me ps 41 9 promised messiah p 532 apostle mcconkie said these psalms refer to christs arrest and judicial trials we shall first consider ps 31 and then ps 41 while mcconkie only quoted verse 13 of ps 31 verse 14 will also be included to give a complete understanding of the matter for i have heard the slander of many fear was on every side while they took counsel together against me they devised to take away my life but i trusted in thee o lord jehovah i said thou art my god elohim ps 31 13 14 mcconkie said verse 13 referred to jesus christ verse 14 goes on to tell that he christ trusted in the lord who is called his god or elohim mormonism teaches that the god above jesus is elohim the father verse 14 however reveals that the elohim of the man jesus is jehovah the father in ps 41 mcconkie only quoted one verse however two verses will be considered in this examination yea mine own familiar friend in whom i trusted which did eat of my bread hath lifted up his heel against me but thou o lord jehovah be merciful unto me and raise me up that i may requite them ps 41 9 10 mcconkie stated above that verse 9 referred to judas role in christs death since it was judas who was the familiar friend who lifted up his heel the pronouns mine i my and me in verse 9 must refer to christ notice that at the beginning of verse 10 there is a change of pronoun to thou which refers to the lord jehovah then the pronouns me and i which refer to christ are used again that means christ was speaking to jehovah the father in these verses another example involves mcconkies following remark about ps 110 4 one of the great messianic prophecies spoken by the mouth of david says the lord hath sworn and will not repent thou art a priest for ever after the order of melchizedek ps 110 4 promised messiah p 450 mcconkie admitted this is a messianic prophecy involving christ the question is what in this verse refers to christ the lord jehovah hath sworn and will not repent thou art a priest for ever after the order of melchizedek ps 110 4 does the lord which is jehovah refer to christ if mcconkie is right and jesus is jehovah but the father is not then the lord would have to refer to christ but who then is the one addressed as the priest forever after the order of melchizedek the bible reveals that the one referred to is jesus christ heb 5 8 10 6 20 7 therefore the lord jehovah in ps 110 4 is the father another example involves isa 53 4 12 of these verses mcconkie stated of the atoning sacrifice of the future messiah isaiah said the lord has laid on him the iniquities of us all it pleased the lord to bruise him promised messiah p 234 emphasis added mcconkie rightly said these verses refer to the atoning sacrifice of the future messiah however what he failed to mention is that they also prove that the father is jehovah verse 6 reads all we like sheep have gone astray we have turned every one to his own way and the lord jehovah hath laid on him christ the iniquity of us all and verse 10 reads yet it pleased the lord jehovah to bruise him christ obviously the lord who laid on christ the iniquity of us all and who bruised him is god the father who is called jehovah in these verses remember mcconkie stated that some sectarians even believe that jehovah is the supreme deity and that christ came into mortality as his only begotten son he called this concept misinformation that is untrue to prove that it is mcconkie who is misinformed and believing untruth two scriptural references 2 sam 7 14 ps 2 7 will be examined mcconkie stated the following regarding these scriptures in the midst of a passage that is clearly messianic the lord says of the seed of david i will be his father and he shall be my son 2 sam 7 14 in the second psalm the whole of which is also clearly messianic occurs this statement thou art my son this day have i begotten thee ps 2 7 paul quotes both of these statements in hebrews 1 5 and says they are prophecies that christ would come as the son of god promised messiah p 143 mcconkie cited heb 1 5 to show that 2 sam 7 14 and ps 2 7 refer to christ who would come as the son of god since mcconkie first referenced 2 sam 7 14 this examination will too however along with verse 14 verses 11 13 will also be included and as since the time that i commanded judges to be over my people israel and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies also the lord jehovah telleth thee that he will make thee an house and when thy days be fulfilled and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers i will set up thy seed after thee which shall proceed out of thy bowels and i will establish his kingdom he shall build an house for my name and i will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever i will be his father and he shall be my son 2 sam 7 11 14 these verses teach that the lord jehovah would have a son the messiah in the second example mcconkie cited ps 2 7 this examination will include verse 8 notice that it is the lord jehovah who says thou art my son this day have i begotten thee i will declare the decree the lord jehovah hath said unto me thou art my son this day have i begotten thee ask of me and i shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession mcconkie said these verses of scripture are clearly messianic and he acknowledged they teach that christ would come as the son of god what he is not willing to acknowledge however is that these scriptures also teach that the father is jehovah and that the sectarians who believe jehovah is the supreme deity whose son is jesus christ the only begotten are right in their belief another example involves mic 5 4 of this verse mcconkie stated the following and so truly did our lord act during his mortal ministry truly this is he of whom it is written he shall stand and feed in the strength of the lord in the majesty of the name of the lord his god for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth mic 5 4 promised messiah p 182 emphasis added according to mcconkie the pronoun he at the beginning of mic 5 4 refers to christ during his mortal ministry who then is the lord his god mic 5 4 reads and he christ shall stand and feed in the strength of the lord jehovah in the majesty of the name of the lord jehovah his god elohim for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth obviously the lord of jesus christ is jehovah the father who is referred to as jehovah his elohim another example involves ps 2 2 and isa 61 1 of these verses mcconkie stated the following a number of messianic passages speak of the lord and his anointed ps 2 2 signifying that the chosen one was consecrated and set apart for the ministry and mission that was his jesus applied these passages to himself by quoting isaiahs prophecy the lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek isa 61 1 and then saying this day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears luke 4 21 promised messiah pp 182 183 emphasis added the first source mcconkie quoted ps 2 2 reads as follows the kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together against the lord jehovah and against his anointed mcconkie said the anointed one was christ if that is true who was jehovah if jehovah is always christ who was the anointed one obviously jehovah is referring to god the father and the anointed is indeed referring to christ the second source mcconkie cited is isa 61 1 which states the spirit of the lord adonai god jehovah is upon me because the lord jehovah hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted to proclaim liberty to the captives and the opening of the prison to them that are bound the one who was anointed to preach bind up proclaim and open was jesus christ who then was the one who anointed him this verse says the lord jehovah did the anointing again we face the same problem if jehovah does not refer to the father but only to christ then jesus anointed someone but who as mcconkie pointed out jesus applied these passages to himself therefore the jehovah who anointed christ is god the father other examples could be cited to show that mcconkie and other mormon leaders are wrong when they say god the father is not jehovah however these should be enough to expose their error now what about mormonisms claim that jesus is jehovah but he is not elohim it is true that jesus is jehovah the following scriptures prove this fact thus saith the lord jehovah the king of israel and his redeemer the lord jehovah of hosts i am the first and i am the last and beside me there is no god isa 44 6 jesus said i am the first and the last i am he that liveth and was dead rev 1 17 18 saith the lord jehovah they shall look upon me whom they have pierced and they shall mourn for him as one mourneth for his only son zech 12 1 10 behold he christ cometh with clouds and every eye shall see him and they also which pierced him rev 1 7 i am the lord jehovah thy god the holy one of israel isa 43 3 ye denied the holy one christ and the just acts 3 14 and it shall come to pass that whosoever shall call on the name of the lord jehovah shall be delivered joel 2 32 the name of jesus christ of nazareth there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved acts 4 10 12 behold the lord god jehovah will come with strong hand his reward is with him isa 40 10 behold i christ come quickly and my reward is with me rev 22 12 the lord jehovah my god shall come and all the saints with thee zech 14 5 at the coming of our lord jesus christ with all his saints 1 thess 3 13 the lord jehovah is my shepherd ps 23 1 jesus said i am the good shepherd john 10 14 saith the lord god jehovah i will seek that which was lost ezek 34 15 16 the son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost luke 19 10 for i am the lord jehovah thy god the holy one of israel thy saviour isa 43 3 looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great god and our saviour jesus christ tit 2 13 see also jer 42 5 and rev 1 5 mal 3 6 and heb 13 8 1 kin 8 28 39 and john 2 24 25 isa 25 8 and 2 tim 1 10 ps 107 24 29 and matt 8 26 prov 3 12 and rev 3 19 while mormons are right when they say jesus is jehovah they are wrong when they say he is not elohim the bible reveals that jehovah is the only true elohim there is all others are false remember jehovah is the personal name of the triune god who has revealed himself in the bible before we consider biblical quotes which show that jehovah and elohim are not two separate gods as mormons claims let us first note that not only are both god the father and christ addressed as jehovah and elohim but so is the holy spirit whereof the holy ghost said this is the covenant that i will make with them after those days saith the lord i will put my laws into their hearts and in their minds will i write them and their sins and iniquities will i remember no more heb 10 15 17 emphasis on holy ghost and said added behold the days come saith the lord jehovah that i will make a new covenant with the house of israel and with the house of judah i will put my law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts and will be their god elohim and they shall be my people i will forgive their iniquity and i will remember their sin no more jer 31 31 33 34 emphasis added for the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man but holy men of god spake as they were moved by the holy ghost 2 pet 1 21 emphasis on holy ghost added the spirit of the lord jehovah spake by me and his word was in my tongue 2 sam 23 2 see also heb 3 7 11 with ps 95 6 11 let us now continue with the biblical quotes which show that jehovah and elohim are not two separate gods as mormons claim and when the lord jehovah saw that he moses turned aside to see god elohim called unto him out of the midst of the bush and said moses moses and he said here am i bruce r mcconkie acknowledged that it was christs voice that spoke to moses in the burning bush promised messiah p 394 and the lord jehovah said and moses said unto god elohim behold when i come unto the children of israel and shall say unto them the god elohim of your fathers hath sent me unto you and they shall say to me what is his name what shall i say unto them and god elohim said unto moses i am that i am and he said thus shalt thou say unto the children of israel i am hath sent me unto you and god elohim said moreover unto moses thus shalt thou say unto the children of israel the lord jehovah god elohim of your fathers the god elohim of abraham the god elohim of isaac and the god elohim of jacob hath sent me unto you this is my name for ever and this is my memorial unto all generations exod 3 4 7 13 15 and god elohim spake unto moses and said unto him i am the lord jehovah exod 6 2 i am the lord jehovah and there is none else there is no god elohim beside me i girded thee though thou hast not known me isa 45 5 but the lord jehovah is the true god elohim he is the living god elohim and an everlasting king jer 10 10 thus saith the lord jehovah the king of israel and his redeemer the lord jehovah of hosts i am the first and i am the last and beside me there is no god elohim isa 44 6 therefore will i cause you to go into captivity beyond damascus saith the lord jehovah whose name is the god elohim of hosts amos 5 27 behold the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the lords jehovahs thy god elohim the earth also with all that therein is deut 10 14 wherefore thou art great o lord jehovah god elohim for there is none like thee neither is there any god elohim beside thee according to all that we have heard with our ears 2 sam 7 22 and he said unto them i am an hebrew and i fear the lord jehovah the god elohim of heaven which hath made the sea and the dry land jon 1 9 for who is god elohim save the lord jehovah or who is a rock save our god elohim ps 18 31 blessed is the nation whose god elohim is the lord jehovah ps 33 12 see also ps 144 15 hast thou not known hast thou not heard that the everlasting god elohim the lord jehovah the creator of the ends of the earth fainteth not neither is weary there is no searching of his understanding isa 40 28 the mighty god elohim even the lord jehovah hath spoken and called the earth from the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof ps 50 1 sing unto god elohim sing praises to his name estol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name jah and rejoice before him ps 68 4 regarding the word jah bruce r mcconkie stated jah hebrew yah is a contracted form of jehovah jahveh or yahweh all of which names have reference to christ the god of israel mormon doctrine p 391 and david arose and went with all the people that were with him from baale of judah to bring up from thence the ark of god elohim whose name is called by the name of the lord jehovah of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims 2 sam 6 2 the great the mighty god elohim the lord jehovah of hosts is his name jer 32 18 o my god elohim make them like a wheel as the stubble before the wind fill their faces with shame that they may seek thy name o lord jehovah that men may know that thou whose name alone is jehovah art the most high over all the earth ps 83 13 16 18 the bible clearly teaches that jehovah is elohim in fact he is the only elohim there is he is the true the living the mighty the great and the everlasting elohim he is the elohim of israel of all the kingdoms of the earth and of the heavens he is the creator who made the heavens and all their host and the earth and all that dwell thereon jehovahs name is elohim of hosts amos 5 27 not only is jehovah elohim but elohim is jehovah the bible reveals that elohims name is jah ps 68 4 jehovah ps 83 18 and jehovah of hosts 2 sam 6 2 jer 32 18 the nation whose elohim is jehovah is blessed ps 33 12 clearly this is not the jehovah and elohim of the mormons another mormon error regarding elohim and jehovah is the belief that elohim not jehovah is the father of all the spirits including jesus in the articles of faith by apostle james e talmage a doctrinal exposition by the first presidency and the twelve apostles states that god the eternal father elohim is the literal parent of the spirits of the human race p 466 this doctrinal exposition also states explicitly that jesus christ is not the father of the spirits who have taken or yet shall take bodies upon this earth for he is one of them he is the son as they are sons and daughters of elohim p 473 the apostle talmage stated that elohim is the name title of god the eternal father whose firstborn son in the spirit is jehovah jesus the christ p 38 the apostle bruce r mcconkie stated the following about this matter jehovah christ did in fact create the earth and all forms of plant and animal life on the face thereof but when it came to placing man on earth there was a change in creators that is the father himself became personally involved all things were created by the son using the power delegated by the father except man in the spirit and again in the flesh man was created by the father there was no delegation of authority where the crowning creature of creation was concerned promised messiah p 62 emphasis added mormon leaders claim that jehovah christ did not create either mans spirit or his body they maintain that the mormon elohim who is the father created man both in spirit and body the bible reveals the truth about who created man and moses spake unto the lord jehovah saying let the lord jehovah the god elohim of the spirits of all flesh set a man over the congregation num 27 15 16 see also 16 20 23 emphasis added the lord jehovah which stretcheth forth the heavens and layeth the foundation of the earth and formeth the spirit of man within him zech 12 1 emphasis added the lord jehovah made us this soul jer 38 16 for i will not contend for ever neither will i be always wroth for the spirit should fail before me and the souls which i have made saith the lord jehovah isa 57 16 19 emphasis on souls i have made added behold i am the lord jehovah the god elohim of all flesh jer 32 27 emphasis added thus saith the lord jehovah thy redeemer and he that formed thee from the womb i am the lord jehovah that maketh all things isa 44 24 emphasis added thus saith the lord jehovah i have made the earth and created man upon it isa 45 11 12 emphasis added god elohim created man upon the earth unto thee it was shewed that thou mightest know that the lord jehovah he is god elohim there is none else beside him deut 4 32 35 thus saith god el the lord jehovah he that spread forth the earth and that which cometh out of it he that giveth breath unto the people upon it and spirit to them that walk therein isa 42 5 thus saith the lord jehovah of hosts the god elohim of israel i have made the earth the man and the beast that are upon the ground jer 27 4 5 most emphasis added the bible reveals that it is jehovah who is the elohim of the spirits of all flesh and of all flesh itself that it was he who formed the spirit of man within him that he made us this soul and formed us from the womb he did indeed create man if mormon leaders are right when they say jesus is jehovah then they are wrong when they say he did not create man if they are right when they say the father is the one who created man then they are wrong when they say he is not jehovah although mormon leaders teach that jesus did not create man mormon scriptures teach that he did the bom states the following behold i am jesus christ i am the father and the son and never have i showed myself unto man whom i have created for never has man believed in me as thou hast behold this body which ye now behold is the body of my spirit and man have i created after the body of my spirit eth 3 14 16 emphasis added for it is i that taketh upon me the sins of the world for it is i that hath created them mos 26 23 emphasis added the god of abraham and the god of isaac and the god of jacob is that same god who created the heavens and the earth and all things that in them are behold he created adam mor 9 11 12 emphasis added d c 93 10 states that the worlds were made by him christ men were made by him all things were made by him and through him and of him emphasis added another error by bruce r mcconkie involving jehovah and his creation is the belief that jehovah had many pre mortal spirits helping him create included in this alleged group was joseph smith jr that he christ was aided in the creation of this earth by many of the noble and great spirit children of the father is evident from abrahams writings unto those superior spirits christ said we will go down for there is space there and we will take of these materials and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell abra 3 22 24 michael or adam was one of these enoch noah abraham moses peter james and john joseph smith and many other noble and great ones played a part in the great creative enterprise doctrines of salvation vol 1 pp 74 75 mormon doctrine p 169 the bible reveals the truth about this matter thus saith the lord jehovah thy redeemer and he that formed thee from the womb i am the lord jehovah that maketh all things that stretcheth forth the heavens alone that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself isa 44 24 which alone spreadeth out the heavens and treadeth upon the waves of the sea job 9 8 jehovah by himself created all things he had no alleged preexistent spirit helpers assisting him regarding the mormon elohim the apostle mcconkie stated elohim plural word though it is is also used as the exalted name title of god the eternal father a usage that connotes his supremacy and omnipotence he being god above all gods mormon doctrine p 224 he also stated that jesus is above all save the father only promised messiah p 363 the bible states that the one who is god above all so called gods is the triune god jehovah for the lord jehovah is a great god el and a great king above all gods elohim ps 95 3 for thou lord jehovah art high above all the earth thou art exalted far above all gods elohim ps 97 9 now i know that the lord jehovah is greater than all gods elohim exod 18 11 see also ps 135 5 deut 10 17 if mormon leaders are right when they say jehovah is god the son and elohim is god the father these verses from the bible would be teaching that the mormon son is above his father however as mcconkie clearly stated mormons believe elohim the father not jehovah the son is the god above all gods that jesus is above all except the father yet the bible teaches that jehovah is above all elohim at a byu dev on march 2 1982 bruce r mcconkie made the following remark about praying to jesus another peril is that those so involved often begin to pray directly to christ because of some special friendship they feel has been developed this is plain sectarian nonsense our prayers are addressed to the father and to him only perfect prayer is addressed to the father in the name of the son it is uttered by the power of the holy ghost our relationship with the lord pp 19 20 mcconkie states on p 335 of his book promised messiah that the mormons pray to the father not the son on p 306 of the same book mcconkie states that christ the son is jehovah this is important to remember because although mcconkie said prayer is not to be offered to the mormon christ who is jehovah the bible states repeatedly in the ot that people prayed to jehovah and he not only heard those prayers but he accepted them as valid requests the following is but a small sample of the vast number of times people prayed to jehovah in my distress i called upon the lord jehovah and cried unto my god elohim he heard my voice out of his temple and my cry came before him even into his ears ps 18 6 and the lord jehovah said unto him i have heard thy prayer and thy supplication that thou hast made before me i have hallowed this house which thou hast built to put my name there for ever and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually 1 kin 9 3 and said unto jeremiah the prophet let we beseech thee our supplication be accepted before thee and pray for us unto the lord jehovah thy god elohim even for all this remnant jer 42 2 o lord jehovah i beseech thee let now thine ear be attentive to the prayer of thy servant and to the prayer of thy servants who desire to fear thy name neh 1 11 and it was so that when solomon had made an end of praying all this prayer and supplication unto the lord jehovah he arose from before the altar of the lord jehovah from kneeling on his knees with his hands spread up to heaven 1 kin 8 54 he went in therefore and shut the door upon them twain and prayed unto the lord jehovah 2 kin 4 33 go and say to hezekiah thus saith the lord jehovah the god elohim of david thy father i have heard thy prayer i have seen thy tears behold i will add unto thy days fifteen years isa 38 5 i acknowledge my sin unto thee and mine iniquity have i not hid i said i will confess my transgressions unto the lord jehovah and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin for this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found ps 32 5 6 notice above in ps 32 6 that the godly pray to jehovah according to mcconkie and other mormon leaders that is christ the very one to whom mcconkie said people should not pray the bible reveals there is only one true elohim and his name is jehovah all other elohim are false they are idols that cause their followers to commit adultery against the true elohim and idolatry for the lord jehovah is great and greatly to be praised he is to be feared above all gods elohim for all the gods elohim of the nations are idols but the lord jehovah made the heavens ps 96 4 5 thou shalt have no other gods elohim before me exod 20 3 now i know that the lord jehovah is greater than all gods elohim exod 18 11 and it shall be if thou do at all forget the lord jehovah thy god elohim and walk after other gods elohim and serve them and worship them i testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish deut 8 19 thou shalt make no covenant with them nor with their gods elohim they shall not dwell in thy land lest they make thee sin against me for if thou serve their gods elohim it will surely be a snare unto thee exod 23 32 33 take heed to yourselves that your heart be not deceived and ye turn aside and serve other gods elohim and worship them deut 11 16 that ye come not among these nations these that remain among you neither make mention of the name of their gods elohim nor cause to swear by them neither serve them nor bow yourselves unto them josh 23 7 neither walk after other gods elohim to your hurt jer 7 6 but the lord jehovah is the true god elohim he is the living god elohim jer 10 10 and they forsook the lord jehovah god elohim of their fathers which brought them out of the land of egypt and followed other gods elohim of the gods elohim of the people that were round about them and bowed themselves unto them and provoked the lord jehovah to anger jud 2 12 shall a man make gods elohim unto himself and they are no gods elohim therefore behold i will this once cause them to know i will cause them to know mine hand and my might and they shall know that my name is the lord jehovah jer 16 20 21 and if it seem evil unto you to serve the lord jehovah choose you this day whom ye will serve whether the gods elohim which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood or the gods elohim of the amorites in whose land ye dwell but as for me and my house we will serve the lord jehovah and the people answered and said god elohim forbid that we should forsake the lord jehovah to serve other gods elohim josh 24 15 16 these verses teach that the only true living elohim in heaven and on earth is jehovah the triune god who made heaven and earth and all therein jehovah is greater than any elohim because all other elohim are idols the reality behind them is demonic deut 32 17 jehovah elohim has given explicit warnings and guidelines regarding these false elohim he told his people not to have any elohim but him he told the people that if they left him for the false elohim those elohim would be a snare to them and they would be hurt and would perish he warned the people to take heed that their heart be not deceived into worshiping serving swearing by and making covenants with false elohim jehovah elohim told his people he would eventually judge all false elohim and their followers despite these warnings and guidelines elohims covenant people forsook him and believed in and worshiped the false elohims of the people they came in contact with ju 10 6 states that the children of israel did evil again in the sight of the lord jehovah and served baalim and ashtaroth and the gods elohim of syria and the gods elohim of zidon and the gods elohim of moab and the gods elohim of the children of ammon and the gods elohim of the philistines and forsook the lord jehovah and served not him this examination has shown that the elohim of mormonism like the elohim in ju 10 6 is not the true jehovah elohim therefore the people who leave the true elohim for the mormon elohim will do evil in the sight of the lord jehovah although mcconkie attacked christians for their belief in a triune god who is spirit and for their belief that god the father jehovah sent his son into the world these beliefs are true god is triune he is spirit he is jehovah and he did send his son into the world to redeem mankind it is obvious from this examination that it is not the christians who thrash around in darkness about who elohim and jehovah are one wonders what holy writ mcconkie had in mind when he stated that it attests to the fact that elohim is the father and that jehovah is the son he certainly did not mean the bible which teaches that the father son and holy spirit are all the one jehovah elohim he apparently did not mean the d c either because chapter 109 verses 1 4 9 10 14 19 22 24 29 34 42 47 56 68 77 refer to the father as jehovah summary obviously joseph fielding smiths statement that the mormons have a clear and perfect understanding of the nature of god doctrines of salvation 1 279 is not accurate the mormon gods are not the true god as mormonism claims but are idols which cause their followers to commit adultery against god and idolatry in answer to jesus question but whom say ye that i am mormons say jesus is someone different from the jesus who is revealed in the bible and whom the apostles preached therefore anyone trusting in the mormon jesus is believing in another jesus whom paul warned about bernard p brockbank of the first quorum of the seventy admitted in the may 1977 issue of the ensign a mormon publication that the mormon jesus is different from the christian jesus he stated that it is true that many of the christian churches worship a different jesus christ than is worshipped by the mormons or the church of jesus christ of latter day saints p 26 the people who believe in the mormon jesus are committing adultery against god and idolatry they do not have the son therefore they do not have the father and they do not have eternal life as the apostle bruce r mcconkie rightly stated salvation comes only by worshiping the true god promised messiah p 163 mcconkie also rightly stated that the mere worship of a god who has the proper scriptural names does not assure one that he is worshiping the true and living god because the true names of deity can be applied to false concepts of god mormon doctrine p 270 remember that the apostle stephen l richards admitted that joseph smith jr gave a new conception of god and the godhead contributions of joseph smith p 1 it is important for the people who have left the true triune god revealed in the bible to repent and return to him they must forsake the sins of idolatry and adultery which they are committing in mormonism the bible says all that forsake thee shall be ashamed and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth because they have forsaken the lord jehovah the fountain of living waters jer 17 13 and it shall be if thou do at all forget the lord jehovah thy god elohim and walk after other gods elohim and serve them and worship them i testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish deut 8 19 thou shalt make no covenant with their gods elohim exod 23 32 put away the strange gods elohim that are among you and be clean and change your garments gen 35 2 flee from idolatry 1 cor 10 14 it is necessary that christians heed the warnings of the bible if they do they will not fall into the sins of adultery against god and idolatry remember to know the only true god is eternal life john 17 3 their gods elohim shall be a snare unto you ju 2 3 see also exod 23 32 33 windows memory does anyone know how to absolute memory locations in windows ie hardware that is memory mapped at very high addresses 16mb and above please reply by email thanks david medicine glutamate in article lso15qinnkpr news bbn com sher bbn com lawrence d sher writes from the n e j med editorial the dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate is not only an essential amino acid glutamate is not an essential amino acid people can survive quite well without ever eating any keith lynch kfl access digex com f p 2 3 2 s q 1 x f f 3 2 q f f p q s q p f w q p x 8 1 8 cars mr2 parts does anyone know of a dead first generation mr2 i need body parts steering rack and a few minor pieces i was about to buy a parts car but the owner backed out after 3 month of pulling my leg arrrrgh mike s medicine re need info on circumcision medical cons and pros in article 1993apr27 151619 2636 netnews noc drexel edu giamomj duvm ocs drexel edu mike g writes need info on circumcision medical cons and pros in article c63yg5 8th cs uiuc edu gunnar blix blix milton cs uiuc edu writes i need information on the medical including emotional pros and cons of circumcision at birth i am especially interested in references to studies that indicate disadvantages or refute studies that indicate advantages a friend who is a medical student is writing a survey paper and apparently the studies she has run into are all for circumcision the main argument being a lower risk of penile cancer please email responses as i am not a frequent reader of either group i will summarize to the net im very surprised that medical schools still push routine circumcision of newborn males on the population since your friend is not a man she money probably has a lot to do with keeping the practice of routine circumcision alive its another opporitunity to charge a few hundred extra bucks for a completely unnecessary procedure the rationale for which until recently has been accepted without question by most parents of newborns one could also imagine that complications arising from circumcision infections sloppy jobs etc are far more common than the remote chance of penile cancer it is purported to prevent cant imagine what its like to have a penis much less a foreskin i guess if american medicine did an artistic job of circumcising every male then the visual result would be somewhat more natural in appearance the penile cancer thing has been completely debunked she must be going to school on a south pacific island tell her to check the journal or urology for circumcision articles i remember at least 1 on an old jewish man cut at birth who developed penile cancer i mean if the cancer risk was that great the europe who have been circumcising like crazy too teaching a boy how to keep his cockhead clean is the issue a little proper hygiene goes a long way americans are just too hung up on the penis to consider cleaning it thats just way too much like mastubation so you have surgical intervention that is basically unnecessary peter schlumpf university of illinois at urbana champaign religion re whos next mormons and jews in article 1f2p02ua40zb01 juts ccc amdahl com agr00 juts ccc amdahl com anthony g rose writes capser before you deceive everone into thinking that the latter day saints have undergone undue persecution through the years for just believing in their religion perhaps you would like to tell us all what happened in the mountain meadow massacres and all the killings that were done under the blood atonement doctrine at the command of brigham young i recently watched a an episode of the old west a tv show on the discovery channel or perhaps the a e network the one hosted by kenny rogers this episode was all about the mormons and how they settled utah etc a large portion of the broadcast was about the mountain meadows massacre the program very specifically pointed out that brigham young knew nothing about the incident until long after it had happened before telegraph and it occured as a result of several men inciting a bunch of paronoid moromn settlers into what amounted to a mob all participants in the incident were prosecuted and eccomunicated from the lds church i suggest you watch a rerun of that episode they play them over and over and see what they non mormons have to say about it lance lance w bledsoe lwb im4u cs utexas edu 512 258 0112 ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free medicine re striato nigral degeneration in article 9303252134 aa09923 walrus mvhs edu ktodd walrus mvhs edu ken todd writes i would like any information available on this rare disease i understand that an operation referred to as pollidotomy may be in order does anyone know of a physician that performs this procedure all responses will be appreciated please respond via email to ktodd walrus mvhs edu it isnt that rare actually many cases that are called parkinsons disease turn out on autopsy to be snd it should be suspected in any case of parkinsonism without tremor and which does not respond to l dopa therapy i dont believe pallidotomy will do much for snd gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon medicine re dana faber cancer institute in article 1993apr14 090306 3352 etek chalmers se e2salim etek chalmers se salim chagan writes can anyone send me the adress to dana faber cancer institute in boston usa missing r dana farber cancer institute 44 binney street boston ma 02115 617 732 3000 karl dussik alumnus department of biostatistics and epidemiology 1983 1986 religion 18 apr 93 gods promise in philippians 4 9 those things which ye have both learned and received and heard and seen in me do and the god of peace shall be with you philippians 4 9 religion re religion and marriage pboxrud magnus acs ohio state edu paul d boxrud writes i wasnt sure if this was the right newsgroup to post this to but i guess the misc is there for a reason here goes i am getting married in june to a devout wisconsin synod lutheran i would classify myself as a strong agnostic weak athiest this has been a a subject of many discussions between us and is really our only real obstacle we dont have any real difficulties with the religious differences yet but i expect they will pop up when we have children i have agreed to raise the children nominally lutheran that is lutheran traditions but trying to keep an open mind i am not sure if this is even possible though i feel that that the worst quality of being devoutly religous is the lack of an open mind just a point i suppose if open mind means believing anything can be true or we cant for sure know what is definitely true im happy to not be open minded if however open mindedness means being respectful and tolerant towards other beliefs respecting the rights and intelligence and wisdom of people of other beliefs and giving equal time to alternative ideas i try my very best to be open minded just a thot in passing anyway i guess ill get on with my question is anyone in the same situation and can give some suggestions as to how to deal with this weve taken the attitude so far of just talking about it a lot and not letting anything get bottled up inside sometimes i get the feeling were making this much bigger than it actually is any comments would be greatly appreciated also please e mail responses since i dont get a chance to read this group often not being married i cannot say too much to you but from my perspective having mutually exclusive faiths would be a big enough roadblock for me in considering marrying someone making it much bigger than it is i suppose that depends on how serious each of you is in your beliefs lukewarm atheists and christians for whom religion is of nominal importance probly would feel the issue isnt very big i suppose the more important your beliefs are to each of you the more important the issue is paul religion re a kind and loving god in article 1r0hicinnjfj owl csrv uidaho edu lanph872 crow csrv uidaho edu rob lanphier writes malcolm lee mlee post royalroads ca wrote in reference to leviticus 21 9 and deuteronomy 22 20 25 these laws written for the israelites gods chosen people whom god had expressly set apart from the rest of the world the israelites were a direct witness to gods existence to disobey god after knowing that god is real would be an outright denial of god and therefore immediately punishable remember these laws were written for a different time and applied only to gods chosen people but jesus has changed all of that we are living in the age of grace sin is no longer immediately punishable by death there is repentance and there is salvation through our lord jesus christ and not just for a few chosen people salvation is available to everyone jew and gentile alike hmm for a book that only applied to the israelites deuteronomy jesus sure quoted it a lot mt 4 4 7 10 in addition he alludes to it in several other places mt 19 7 8 mk 10 3 5 jn 5 46 47 and just in case it isnt clear jesus thought the old testament isnt obsolete ill repeat the verse in matthew which gets quoted on this group a lot do not think that i have come to abolish the law or the prophets i have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them i tell you the truth until heaven and earth disappear not the smallest letter not the least stroke of a pen will by any means disappear from the law until everything is accomplished anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven for i tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the pharisees and the teachers of the law you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven mt 5 17 20 niv in pretty red letters so that you know its jesus talking this causes a serious dilemma for christians who think the old testament doesnt apply to them i think thats why paul harvey likes quoting it so much rob lanphier lanph872 uidaho edu i will clarify my earlier quote gods laws were originally written for the israelites jesus changed that fact by now making the law applicable to all people not just the jews gentiles could be part of the kingdom of heaven through the saving grace of god i never said that the law was made obsolete by jesus if anything he clarified the law such as in that quote you made in the following verses jesus takes several portions of the law and expounds upon the law giving clearer meaning to what god intended if youll notice he also reams into the pharisees for mucking up the law with their own contrived interpretations they knew every letter of the law and followed it with their heads but not their hearts that is why he points out that our righteousness must surpass that of the pharisees in order to be accepted into the kingdom of heaven people such as the pharisees are those who really go out of their way to debate about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin they had become legalistic rule makers religious lawyers who practiced the letter of the law but never really believed in it i think you will agree with me that there are in todays world a lot of modern day pharisees who know the bible from end to end but do not believe in it what good is head knowledge if there is nothing in the heart christianity is not just a set of rules its a lifestyle that changes ones perspectives and personal conduct and it demands obedience to gods will some people can live by it but many others cannot or will not that is their choice and i have to respect it because god respects it too god be with you malcolm lee religion re new religion forming sign up jim kasprzak kasprj isaac its rpi edu wrote in article 4z5wqc rpi edu weinss rs6101 ecs rpi edu stephen andrew weinstein writes let me begin by saying i think this is the worlds first religion to use the net as its major recruitment medium therefore even if this religion does not take off its founding members will be very important historically as this method of soliciting membership will eventually become common so what is kibology chopped liver kibo himself summed it up by saying kibology is not just a religion it is also a candy mint and a floor wax i personally think that it is more like spam clear you really should check out alt religion kibology as kibos religion is slightly older than yours makes more sense and has more slack yes why send money to b0b when kibo will pay you to worship him funny he doesnt seem to have paid me live from capitaland heart of the empire state jim kasprzak computer operator rpi troy ny usa i understand the causes and sympathize your motivations but all the details of this war are just your self infatuation e mail kasprj rpi edu or kasprzak mts rpi edu andrew bulhak acb yoyo cc monash edu au david koresh fried for your sins monash uni clayton victoria australia medicine re food related seizures in article 116305 bu edu dozonoff bu edu david ozonoff writes many of these cereals are corn based after your post i looked in the literature and located two articles that implicated corn contains tryptophan and seizures the idea is that corn in the diet might potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder not cause it check to see if the two kellog cereals are corn based id be interested years ago when i was an intern an obese young woman was brought into the er comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures why attending a corn festival we pumped her stomach and obtained what seemed like a couple of liters of corn much of it intact kernals after a few hours she woke up and was fine i was tempted to sign her out as acute corn intoxication gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon guns fbi directors statement on waco standoff in the interests of completeness i thought readers of these newsgroups would want to see fbi director william sessions statement as released by the fbi press office fbi directors statement on waco standoff to national desk contact federal bureau of investigation press office 202 324 3691 washington april 19 the following is a statement by fbi director william s sessions regarding the branch davidian incident in waco texas i had hoped to be making a very different statement this evening after very careful planning and extensive preparation we all thought that todays efforts by the fbi to bring the branch davidians out of their compound would result in the peaceful resolution of the stand off or at least meaningful negotiation instead we are faced with devastation and death however i have no question that our plan was correct and was conducted with extreme professionalism and care i applaud the restraint shown by agents in the face of life threatening gunfire and i thank them for risking their lives to try to end this peacefully i have only the greatest admiration for the courage and professionalism of all involved 30 religion apology to jim meritt was silence is concurance m23364 mwunix mitre org james meritt writes so stop dodging the question what is hypocritical about my criticizing bad arguments given that i do this both when i agree with the conclusion and when i disagree with the conclusion you are the one who has claimed to possess the fruits of precognition telepathy and telempathy divine it yourself another dodge oh well im no match for your amazing repertoire of red herrings and smoke screens you asked for an apology im not going to apologize for pointing out that your straw man argument was a straw man argument nor for saying that your list of bible contradictions shows such low standards of scholarship that it should be an embarrassment to anti inerrantists just as josh mcdowell should be an embarrassment to the fundies nor for objecting various times to your taking quotes out of context nor for pointing out that they do it too is not an excuse nor for calling your red herrings and smoke screens what they are im still not sure why you think im a hypocrite its true that i havent responded to any of robert weiss articles which may be due in part to the fact that i almost never read his articles but i have responded to both you and frank decenso a fundie inerrantist both you and frank have taken quotes out of context and ive objected to both of you doing so ive criticized bad arguments both when they were yours and i agreed with the conclusion that the bible is not inerrant and when they were franks and i disagreed with the conclusion ive criticized both you and frank for evading questions and for trying to explain me away without addressing the objections i raise you by accusing me of being hypocritical and irrational frank by accusing me of being motivated by a desire to attack the bible i dont see that any of this is hypocritical nor do i apologize for it i do apologize however for having offended you in any other way happy now dj windows truetype font mix up times cyrillic hi im having a problem with truetype fonts in windows 3 1 i have installed the cyrillic fonts i found on cica and now a strange thing happens sometimes windows uses cyrillic when its supposed to use times roman examples the pc tools backup version 7 1 has one line of cyrillic text in its opening banner the next to last line importing a word for windows text written in times into wp5 2 also results in cyrillic does anyone have an idea where to look for the problem thanks reiner suikat institute for flight guidance fl2g gandalf fl bs dlr de german aerospace research establishment dlr windows re any good sound formats conversion program out there in article edd392h 733700028 mings2 cc monash edu au edd392h mings2 cc monash edu au ywi li writes hi all does anyone know if there is a good sound formats conversion program out there like paintshoppro for picture formats conversion please send me a copy of your reply thanks a lot bel hi the best sound conversion program ive ever seen is soundtool which is shareware from germany i found a copy somewhere in wuarchive wustl edu a long time ago but i dont know offhand what directory it was under its great at converting files of all types including mac next sun and various pc formats its also a great player and editor with various special effects that put windows sound recorder to shame it requires a driver for various sound cards the only builtin one is for the pc speaker and even that sounds pretty good but if youre just using it to convert things you can convert them in soundtool and then play them in sound recorder give it a try bret why thats the second mogul soda berkeley edu biggest monkey head ive mogul ocf berkeley edu ever seen guybrush mogul uclink berkeley edu medicine re hismanal et al side effects in article 1993apr21 024103 29880 spdcc com dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes in article 1993apr20 212706 820 lrc edu kjiv lrc edu writes can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications has been linked to rapid excessive weight gain and or a distorted sense of taste or smell hismanal azmacort a topical steroid to prevent asthma vancenase hismanal astemizole is most definitely linked to weight gain it really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly doesnt cross the blood brain barrier and so tends not to cause drowsiness so antihistamines can cause weight gain now they tell me is there any way to find out which do which dont my doctor obviously is asleep at the wheel the original poster mentioned fatigue i had that too but it was mostly due to the really bizarre dreams i was having i wasnt getting any rest my doctor said that was a common reaction if astemizole doesnt cross the blood brain barrier how does it cause that side effect any ideas sheryl coppenger seas computing facility staff sheryl seas gwu edu the george washington university 202 994 6853 guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news steve kao k hprnd rose hp com wrote frank crary posted sure but the difference in per capita crime rates predates the gun control laws the homicide rate in england was a tenth that of america back when anyone in england could buy a gun without any paperwork at all steve manes asks got a citation for this colin greenwood from scotland yard did a study that showed that gun control has had no effect on crime or murder rates in the uk his book firearms controls has been published in london by keegan paul name may be misspelled others dispute that like richard hofstadter america as a gun culture and newton and zimrings firearms and violence in american life but again statistics between too dissimilar cultures are difficult to quantify i dont know how anyone can state that gun control could have no effect on homicide rates there were over 250 accidental handgun homicides in america in 1990 most with licensed weapons more american children accidentally shot other children last year 15 than all the handgun homicides in great britain source national safety council please no dictionary arguments about rates vs total numbers okay theyre offered for emphasis not comparison if mr greenwood believes that brits are much too sober and coordinated to make such mistakes id like to introduce him to my friend amanda from brighton i used to have some pretty nice crystal in my place until she moved in ive gotten used to the snide comments from guests about the clown motif on my rubber wine glasses stephen manes manes magpie linknet com manes and associates new york ny usa o o cars re manual shift bigots in article dxp lut fi jahonen cc lut fi jarmo ahonen writes kissane black berkeley edu john g kissane writes as a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the us while here in europe they are rare just wondering many cars sold here in finland are small and cheap cars at least when compared to other cars note that we have over 120 car tax and you couldnt expect a good auto mated to a 1 3 l engine most of the bigger cars are however sold with autos i would guess the high price of gas in europe compared to the us has always favoured 4 cylinder manuals small engines with autos are a real bore but why not turn the question around why are automatics so common in the us my guess is that when they tried to couple manuals to the torque rich v8s in the sixties the clutches turned out as real killers you had to use both feet to depress and that this has just lived on and also an automatic with a v8 engine can be real fun to drive markus 75 chevy camaro 350 th350 87 peugout 205 1 4 4 speed dont ask what your car can do for you ask what you can do for your car religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed in article 1993apr21 154750 24341 maths tcd ie pmoloney maths tcd ie paul moloney writes cotera woods ulowell edu ray cote writes david thibedeau sp one of the cult members said that the fire was started when one of the tanks spraying the tear gas into the facilities knocked over a lantern in two places at once bit of a coincidence that never lived out in the country i see 4 years ago i had a place where i had to carry in propane every month hook the bottle up to copper line to supply both the stove and a type of water heater called a flash heater a flash heater has a pilot lamp heres the point if the davidians had their propane tanks hooked up to copper or some such lines run through the ceiling spaces when the fbi started wrecking the place they could easily have ruptured the lines which then would start spreading out through the overhead and since it was a country home it wasnt necessarily built with non flamable insulation its probably more plausible than anything else that the fire started mainly as a result of accident or willful negligence on the part of the fbi which should have known better ie manslaughter its certain that if the tanks hadnt been used that day the fire wouldnt have started whatever the faults the fbi had the fact is that responsibility for those deaths lies with koresh paul what fact guns re fbi directors statement on waco standoff in article c5w0c9 2d0 intellection com emcguire intellection com ed mcguire writes in 1993apr21 182458 12735 aio jsc nasa gov news aio jsc nasa gov usenet news brenda kenworthy writes and another thing that puzzles me why are they finding dead bodies inside who had bullet holes already in them dont you think its possible that koresh shot the traitors rather than letting them out possible i wouldnt put it past him it is also possible that they were hit by rounds exploding in the extreme heat remember that kept the cops away for hours i have only heard that bodies were found shot not any coroners cause of death so far the medical examiner according to the news has found no evidence of gunshot wounds in bodies so far examined if this continues to be the case it will sort of shoot holes pun intended in the fbi story wouldnt it and cartridges going off outside a firearm do not launch a bullet like they do when fired from a gun the bullet hardly moves it is the brass casing that goes flying and then with less than lethal force it will hurt yes but not kill you i doubt if it wil penetrate a coat for example how about an independent investigation with full subpoena powers and powers to prosecute on felony charges to investigate for any possible illegal criminal activity on the part of both the batf and fbi i cannot see any reason why not to use the phrase they like to use so often if they have nothing to hide they should welcome it and vigorously support it note that an internal investigation by the dept of justice is not an independent investigation pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 pat myrto seattle wa if all else fails try uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former albert einstien guns re my gun is like my american express card hadcrjam admin uh edu miller jimmy a writes in 1r3efjinn3jj gap caltech edu arc cco caltech edu writes thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes i also believe texas has some of the most liberal gun laws in usa in texas you cannot carry a handgun period either concealed or open currently there is a bill before the texas legislature that would make it legal for some ordinary folks to carry concealed weapons i dont have the details sorry semper fi jammer jim miller texas a m university 89 and 91 i dont speak for uh which is too bad because they could use the help become one with the student billing system be the student billing system power finds its way to those who take a stand stand up ordinary man rik emmet gil moore mike levine triumph if i recall correctly the bill would provide for concealed carry if the person takes a 15 hr dps safety course in firearms and pays a 150 fee for the license the bill is apparently veto proof in the house but ltgov bullock has said it will never come to the floor of the senate and dreamboat annie has vowed to veto it if it comes to her desk shrug aaron arc cco caltech edu religion re merlin mithras and magick caldwell facman ohsu edu larry caldwell writes kosinski us oracle com kevin osinski writes i recall reading in michael rutherfords novel sarum a scene in which the son of a roman nobleman living in britain takes part in a secret ceremony involving a bull he stands naked in a pit covered with some sort of scaffolding while assistants coax a bull to stand on the scaffolding they then fatally stab the bull which douses the worshipper in the pit with blood this is supposedly some sort of rite of passage for members of the bull cult i wonder if this is related to the mithras cult i dont know where rutherford got his information for this chapter the book is historical fiction and most of the general events which take place are largely based on historical accounts there is a rite like this described in joseph campbells occidental mythology he also described levels of initiation i think 6 i dont know where campbell got his info but i remember thinking he was being a little eclectic i also wonder what if any connection there is between the ancient bull cults and the current practice of bullfighting popular in some mediterranean cultures quite a bit if you havent read campbell give him a try larry caldwell caldwell ohsu edu compuserve 72210 2273 oregon health sciences university 503 494 2232 yes i cannot remeber which works i read about this in as it was many years ago this ritual was called the tarobaullum i believe the spelling may be off pope charles popec brewich hou tx us pope charles origin the brewers witch bbs houston tx 1 713 272 7350 guns re non lethal alternatives to handguns in article apr15 032620 75908 yuma acns colostate edu holland cs colostate edu douglas craig holland writes what about guns with non lethal bullets like rubber or plastic bullets would those work very well in stopping an attack ask the brits enough people have been killed by rubber bullets that they now use them under only certain controlled circumstances and they are fired from something that looks like a tear gas launcher there are smaller rubber bullets and pellets for shotguns i understand that they are only intended to be discouragers ie for the snapping but not truly dangerous animal in general they do not seem capable of really stopping someone who wants you or past you they are fired at very low muzzle velocity the 38 ball round is intended for a 400fps load finally as your mother warned you you can put an eye out with that thing dillon pyron the opinions expressed are those of the ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated 214 462 3556 when im here 214 492 4656 when im home texans vote no on robin hood we need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions not gestures padi dm 54909 guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 1993apr19 203606 27625 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman says in article 93108 172544u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu the point that i forgot to bring up here and this has nothing to do with g bein a gang member or not is that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in s thi area or in the state of illinois for that matter right it nas nothing to do with whther or not the person is was a gang member but thats what kratz inferred wrong there are people who can legally carry concealed in il and there are circumstances under which many people can carry concealed is accuracy really too much to expect andy no its not if you would have read my other post i was accurate heres what i said material from another post the other point that i would like to make because i know its true looked this one up in the illinois this is for you andy statutes before is that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in illinois also for you andy and then i went on to say there is no such thing as a ccw for us ordinary folk here end of quoted material of course i forgot to mention who us ordinary folk are so just for andy im going to go to the library tomorrow and photocopy the part of the illinois statutes with this information and post it ordinary citizens can not get a license to carry a concealed weapon there are very few people who can i even asked my lawyer friend about this and he told me that only certain people can get licenses for concealed carry he couldnt remember which people but he knew for sure that regular citizens couldnt get that type of license he told me to go check at the library for the statutes which i did ill post that info tomorrow night until then jason religion the divine masters the divine masters most christians would agree and correctly so that jesus christ was a divine master and a projection of god into the physical world god incarnate but there are some very important related facts that christians are completely ignorant of as are followers of most other world religions first jesus christ was not unique john 3 16 notwith standing there is always at least one such divine master god incarnate physically alive in this world at all times a continuous succession throughout history both before and after the life of jesus the followers of some of these masters founded the worlds major religions usually perverting the teachings of their master in the process christians for example added threats of eternal damnation in hell and deleted the teaching of reincarnation secondly and more importantly after a particular master physically dies and leaves this world there is nothing that he can do for anybody except for the relatively few people that he initiated while he was still physically alive that is simply the way god set things up in the universes therefore all those christians who worship jesus and pray to jesus and expect jesus to return and save them from their sins are only kidding themselves and have allowed themselves to be duped by a religion that was mostly manufactured by the romans and emotional feelings are a totally deceiving indicator for religious validity these things are similarly true for followers of most other major world religions including islam thirdly the primary function of each master is to tune his initiates into the audible life stream or sound current referred to as the word in john 1 1 5 and as the river of life in revelation 22 1 and to personally guide each of them thru the upper levels of heaven while they are still connected to their living physical bodies by a silver cord true salvation which completes a souls cycles of reincarnation in the physical and psychic planes is achieved only by reaching at least the soul plane which is five levels or universes above the physical universe and this cannot be done without the help of a physically living divine master one such divine master alive today is an american sri harold klemp the living eck master or mahanta for the eckankar organization now headquartered in minneapolis p o box 27300 zip 55427 another divine master is maharaj gurinder singh ji now living in punjab india and is associated with the sant mat organization one of the classic books on this subject is the path of the masters radha soami books p o box 242 gardena ca 90247 written in 1939 by dr julian johnson a theologian and surgeon who spent the last years of his life in india studying under and closely observing the sant mat master of that time maharaj sawan singh ji several of the eckankar books including some authored by sri paul twitchell or sri harold klemp can be found in most public and university libraries and some book stores or obtained thru inter library loan the book eckankar the key to secret worlds by sri paul twitchell is another classic many christians are likely to confuse the masters with the anti christ which is or was to be a temporary world dictator during the so called last days but the masters dont ever rule even when asked or expected to do so as jesus was people who continue following christianity islam or other orthodox religions with a physically dead master will continue on their cycles of reincarnation between the psychic planes and this miserable physical world until they finally accept initiation from a physically living divine master re incarnation the book here and hereafter by ruth montgomery describes several kinds of evidence supporting reincarnation as a fact of life including hypnotic regressions to past lives about 50 accurate the subconscious mind sometimes makes things up especially with a bad hypnotist spontaneous recall especially by young children some of whom can identify their most recent previous relatives homes possessions etc dream recall of past life experi ences deja vu familiarity with a far off land while travel ing there for the first time on vacation the psychic read ings of the late edgar cayce and even supporting statements from the christian bible including matthew 17 11 13 john the baptist was the reincarnation of elias and john 9 1 2 how can a person possibly sin before he is born unless he lived before always use the king james version later versions are per versions strong interests innate talents strong phobias etc typically originate from a persons past lives for example a strong fear of swimming in or traveling over water usually results from having drowned at the end of a previous life and sometimes a person will take an immediate dislike to another person being met for the first time in this life because of a bad encounter with him during a previous incarnation the teaching of reincarnation also includes the law of karma galatians 6 7 revelation 13 10 etc people would behave much better toward each other if they knew that their actions in the present will surely be reaped by them in the future or in a future incarnation 2nd comings if a divine master physically dies translates before a particular initiate of his does then when that initiate physically dies translates the master will meet him on the astral level and take him directly to the soul plane this is the one and only correct meaning of a 2nd coming it is an individual experience not something that happens for everyone all at once people who are still waiting for jesus 2nd coming are waiting in vain planes of existence the physical universe is the lowest of at least a dozen major levels of existence above the physical plane is the astral plane the causal plane the mental plane the etheric plane often counted as the upper part of the mental plane the soul plane and several higher spiritual planes the soul plane is the first true heaven counting upward from the physical the planes between but not including the physical and soul planes are called the psychic planes it is likely that esp telepathy astrological influences radionic effects biological transmutations see the 1972 book with that title and other phenomena without an apparent physical origin result from interactions between the psychic planes and the physical plane the major planes are also sub divided for example a sub plane of the astral plane is called hades and the christian hell occupies a small part of it created there less than 2000 years ago by the early catholic church by some kind of black magic or by simply teaching its existence in a threatening manner the christian heaven is located elsewhere on the astral plane good christians will go there for a short while and then reincarnate back to earth sound current vs blind faith the christian religion demands of its followers an extraordinary amount of blind faith backed up by little more than good feeling which is totally deceiving if a person is not hearing some form of the sound current the word the bani the audible life stream then his cycles of reincarnation in this miserable world will continue the sound current manifests differently for different initiates and can sound like a rushing wind ocean waves on the sea shore buzzing bees higher pitched buzzing sound a flute various heavenly music or other sounds in eckankar members start hearing it near the end of their first year as a member this and other experiences such as soul travel replace blind faith for more information answers to your questions etc please consult my cited sources 3 books 2 addresses un altered reproduction and dissemination of this important information is encouraged robert e mcelwaine 2nd initiate in eckankar but not an agent thereof baseball re designated hitter rule actually there can be any number of players on a side you can have a 25 man roster a 40 man roster etc ryan robbins penobscot hall university of maine io20456 maine maine edu baseball re how to speed up games marginally realistic ez027993 chip ucdavis edu gary built like villanova huckabay said baseball games take about 2 51 in the nl and just a shade under 3 hours in the al thats just too damn long i dont like to play in 3 hour games much less watch a game for that long my butt falls asleep and if im watching on tv ill channel surf between pitches catching colorized versions of mr ed leave it to beaver and those wacky nieporents on nick at nite but gary for certain sofa tubers like myself this is an advantage i can watch the pirates on kbl the mets on wwor the braves on tbs and the mediots on espn at the same time without missing anything if something impressive happens ill catch the replay so i see essentially 4 games in 3 hours instead of 1 game in 2 hours what a deal insert smileys as desired david m tate dtate pitt edu greetings sir with bat not quick member iie orsa tims sabr hands not soft eye not discerning and in denver they call you a slugger the big catullus galarraga and compare you to my own mattingly windows 32 bit access i have a gateway 4dx2 66v does anyone know if i csn or cant duse 32 bit access d d religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed in article 1r17j9 5ie sbctri sbc com netd susie sbc com writes in article 20apr199301460499 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu stephen writes for those who think david koresh didnt have a solid structure or sound biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast i dont think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his sermon its the deaths hes responsible for that concern most people i assume you have evidence that he was responsible for the deaths koresh was a nut okay again id like to see some evidence ill type this very slowly so that you can understand he either set the fire himself or told his followers to do so dont make him out to be a martyr he did not get killed he killed himself once again wheres your proof suicide is considered a sin by branch davidians also koresh said over and over again that he was not going to commit suicide furthermore all the cult experts said that he was not suicidal david thibedeau sp one of the cult members said that the fire was started when one of the tanks spraying the tear gas into the facilities knocked over a lantern the evil was inside the compound evidence please all that thou shalt not kill stuff id like to point out that the bible says do not commit murder the nkj translation mistranslates self defense was never considered murder the reason why they were stockpiling weapons is because they were afraid the government would try something their fears were obviously well founded ray cote theres no government like no government baseball re militello update in article 93602 hydra gatech edu gt0523e prism gatech edu michael andre mule writes hey all you yankee fans whove been knocking my prediction of baltimore you flooded my mailbox with cries of militellos good militellos good where is he i noticed he got skipped over after that oh so strong first outing about as good as mussinas better than sutcliffes and mcdonalds hes not by any chance in columbus now is he hes in the bullpen steinbrenner is in charge after all please dont tell me youre relying on this guy to be the fourth not the fifth but the fourth starter on this brittle pitching staff hes got the talent to be the 4th starter now and evetually the ace he was a higher ranked and generally better prospect than arthur rhodes who happens to be well hey the orioles 4th starter as for the os its still early as for militello its still early toby elliott baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1993apr19 022425 29145 princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig writes in article psm82b2w164w jwt oau org bbs comarow jwt oau org writes dave kingman is jewish sez who sez dave kingman when he used to take off for rosh hashanna and yom kippur on days they coincided with the season scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe lets go mets guns re clinton wants national id card aka ussr style internal passport in article 1993apr14 175931 66210 cc usu edu slp9k cc usu edu writes btw which parts should be secure criminal records ie convictions are typically considered public information so should that info be secure remember the population includes parents checking prospective childcare worker like i said im not sure of the details but it seems to me that you could access medical information without giving out a name or any other information medical info without a name body attached is completely useless for treatment the article i mentioned the the earlier post described a debit card type transaction in which neither the store nor the bank knew who was withdrawing the money thus making it as secure as cash for some purposes but far less secure for others parents checking a babysitter shouldnt need access to the information stored in the card sure they do the prospective sitter may have a nasty habit of molesting kids three or four months into the job the references may not have known him long enough or may not have picked up on this yet remember criminal conviction info is public so if youre going to argue for an id card other people are going to have a strong argument that it disclose public info things i think anything that you choose to keep unknown should be thus making it useless for negative information could have it so that only doctors can access medical information police criminal records etc etc yeah right how are you going to keep doctors from spilling the beans we already know that you cant keep cops from disclosing info but at least that info is typically supposed to be public anyway like i said its best if you read the article for yourself the article discusses technology not appropriate policy it also fails to deal with what happens if the folks with the secrets blab andy cars the kuebelwagen sorry for the mis spelling but i forgot how to spell it after my series of exams and no on hand reference here is it still possible to get those cute wwii vw jeep wanna bes a replica would be great i think tkh 93 if i can convert a c 128 to a c128t i can do anything not windows re winqvt net v3 4 in article ashok 661 0 biochemistry cwru edu ashok biochemistry cwru edu ashok aiyar writes in article 354 lorien ocf llnl gov dave angmar llnl gov dave fuess writes an earlier article in this newsgroup made reference to winqvt net version 3 4 realy where i tried archie with no luck its probably just a typo not a typo it was uploaded to ftp cica indiana edu a couple days back but i sure would like to get one if its real as i too have a printer problem in winqvt version 3 4 uses standard windows printer drivers ashok its still in the pub pc win3 uploads directory as qvtnet34 zip note new email address tom carter carter photon cem msu edu michigan state university carter msucem bitnet chemistry department windows turbo c visual edition adn request was re absolute newbie questions in article wiggins 93apr16011654 buttercup cs odu edu wiggins buttercup cs odu edu samuel e wiggins writes btw how would you rate the new borland turbo c visual edition for windows anyone time for a new discussion maybe i asked in these groups some time ago what about the tc ve and got no answers so i decided to try my brother who lives in the us bought and sent it to me and im still trying to get used to it before i put my good bad points list consider i am a turbo pascal dos programmer and sometimes try to make something in unix with c just some exercises from university i used to make some programs in microsoft c version 5 because we used some third party libraries that required that i like borland it seems to me much more easier to use than microsoft specially the debugger i tried to learn codeview sometimes but never felt confortable with it tc v e seems very nice to create simple apps like the examples on the objectwindows book so far no problems lets see next week or so when i will try something more complex it works nice even in my weak machine 386 16mhz 6 mb ram but the manual for the resource workshop seems to be from a different version from the workshop itself some of the windows that appear on the manual have more itens than in the manual i think i will run into trouble since i got this tc ve from my brother as a present i didnt wanted to buy the japanese version because 1 i suspect that the manuals will be in japanese and 2 i believe it will be far more expensive here so he bought it as a present and sent to me i send the registration card to the japanese branch of borland but who knows so id like to ask some questions for you all i know that there are some microsoft guys around here in this group is there anybody from borland is there any e mail address that we can contact the technical support not for stupid questions but to ask for example why the rw manual seems to be different from the rw itself is there anybody else using it around here will the book of petzold be useful for me i intend to use rw and protogen to make the interfaces and then work on the code itself answers to my e mail or comp os ms windows programmer tools please thanks in advance rafael guns re i believe in gun control in article 1993apr3 221837 2324 news duc auburn edu bixledn eng auburn edu writes in article 16193 cbnews cb att com lvc cbnews cb att com larry cipriani writes no you havent read it very closely it says you may answer no if your civil rights have been restored that can be done either by the feds or a a state i think the feds stopped doing this for those convicted of violent felonies at least a dozen states still restore a felons civil rights some immediately upon release some after a waiting period i will post a list of the states later a quick question then larry if a persons civil rights have been restored then are they still considered a felon good question i dont know what the law considers them imo if rights have been restored then it makes sense to me that the record of the felony and everything else has been purged and the person in question is no longer a felon i believe this is what happens in some states larry cipriani l v cipriani att com medicine re eye dominance in article 19671 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article c5e2g7 877 world std com rsilver world std com richard silver writes is there a right eye dominance eyedness as there is an overall right handedness in the population i mean do most people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the other if so what kinds of percentages can be attached to this there is eye dominance same as handedness and usually for the same side it has nothing to do with refractive error however i recall reading seeing that former baseball star chris chambliss hitting abilities were in part attributed to a combination of left handedness right eye dominance medicine cancer of the testis could someone give me some information on the cause pathophysiology and clinical manifestations and treatment of this type of cancer thank you in advance jason windows re please help an amiga user find comfort in windows in article 1t9ada og0 fitz tc cornell edu stlombo eos acm rpi edu steve j lombardi writes from stlombo eos acm rpi edu steve j lombardi subject please help an amiga user find comfort in windows date 18 may 1993 00 25 14 gmt by night im an amiga user by day i work with windows id be much more comfortable in windows if i had two things 1 a good personal information manager you know a calendar address book reminder list etc rolled into one clean interface 2 a good file manager microsofts is very poor by my standards how about one that has a left and right window and allows file operations between them being able to launch programs from the same interface would be nice as well as text reading and graphics viewing those who are familiar with directory opus on the amiga know what im looking for i have written the file manager hfm wich has two windows which compare the files in two directorys to find out wether there are equal or similar files the 7 most important operations copy move delete show the file start a progam navigate in the directory tree can be invoked by dragging a directory entry with the mouse this is very convenient because the selection of the file and the operation to be performed occur in one move for bitmap graphic viewing the program vpic can be integrated for spreadsheat and database files i use the view program from pctools 7 1 hfm can be configured to use arbitrary viewers to show special data formats it does also present archives from pkzip etc as simulated subdirectorys this filemanager has a somewhat non standart user interface but it is very convienient to use and is the prefered file manager in several labs in our university the drawback of this filemanager is its still a dos program and the development of a windows version has not yet begun i use the program package run18 zip where run tells its windows companion sched exe which windows program should be started in this way you can start a windows program from a dosbox the new version 3 19 to be released soon includes a new command for automating this windows program start ftp archives for the mentioned programs all these archives have several mirror sites simtel oak oakland edu 141 210 10 117 filutl hfm318 zip gif vpic60e zip garbo garbo uwasa fi 128 214 87 1 dirutil hfm318 zip cica ftp cica indiana edu 129 79 20 17 util run18 zip andreas helke molekulare genetik universitaet heidelberg germany email un69ef genius embnet dkfz heidelberg de the header of this posting does not contain a valid smtp mail address cars re necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership in article 1993apr6 131018 12873 acd4 acd com jwg sedv1 acd com jim grey writes in article 1993apr2 174850 6289 cbnewsl cb att com prm cbnewsl cb att com paul r mount writes in your experience how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning will do much more good than just using detergent gas while i agree that a clogged fuel injector would darken my day how clogged do they get and is 59 a good price or can i do it myself by buying a can of what and doing what a fuel injector cleaning at the dealer is probably little more than them opening your gas tank dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner and sending you on your merry way 59 poorer go to kmart and buy the cleaner yourself for 1 29 personally i wouldnt use the 1 29 product from kmart i knew about this previously but this past weekend on pbss motorweek pat goss their resident tech type discussed these products and recommends not using them i e the non isopropyl alcohlo based injector cleaners supposedly only the isopropyl based cleaners actually remove moisture from your fuel tank as they clean your injectors and although the others ethyl based do clean injectors they also cause rubber components in the fuel system to deteriorate and they dont mix well with water to help remove it from the fuel system i use a product recommended by vw called 44k by bg products inc it cost more about 14 00 but it is supposed to do the job without the potential harmful side effects and its results are supposed to last from 2k to 4k miles i have also used chevrons techtrolene sp i cant say that i have noticed any difference using either since i only use these product as a preventative maintenance item just because you dealer sez you need it dont mean its necessarily so be suspicious jim grey jwg acd4 acd com larry keys csmes ncsl nist gov oo 1990 2 0 16v fahrvergnugen forever the fact that i need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldnt understand anyway baseball re montreal question in article 1993apr19 015442 15723 oz plymouth edu k mullin oz plymouth edu mully writes what position does mike lansing play i cannot seem to find it anywhere thanks 1 k keith j mullins o o p s c ooo ooo internet plymouth nh it takes a big man to cry but k mullin oz plymouth edu hes played 2nd and 3rd i also heard he can play short too shawn windows why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse i have a microsoft serial mouse and am using mouse com 8 00 was using 8 20 i think but switched to 8 00 to see if it was any better vertical motion is nice and smooth but horizontal motion is so bad i sometimes cant click on something because my mouse jumps around i can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit then jump to the right then move smoothly for a bit then jump again maybe this time to the left about 5 inch this is crazy i have never had so much trouble with a mouse before anyone have any solutions does microsoft think they are what everyone should be just venting steam sean eckton computer support representative college of fine arts and communications d 406 hfac brigham young university provo ut 84602 801 378 3292 hfac csr byu edu ecktons ucs byu edu cars honda civic saturn sl1 info needed to anyone with experience about honda civic ex or dx or saturn sl1 i would be interested in knowing how reliable these cars are how expensive they are to own and operate parts maintenance gas insurance if the dealers are good and if they actually live up to their economy image another question what would i expect to pay for a civic ex coupe with automatic air and an am fm radio mail to the address below or post to this group thanks rob bell plains nodak edu medicine help with antidepressants requested hello all there is a small problem a friend of mine is experiencing and i would appreciate any help at all with it my friend has been diagnosed as having a severe case of depression requiring antidepressants for a cure the main problem is the side effects of these so far she has been prescribed prozac aurorix and tryptanol all with different but unbearable side effects the prozac gave very bad anxiety jitters and insomina it was impossible to sit still for more than a minute or so the aurorix whilst having a calming effect all feelings were lost and the body co ordination was similar to a drunken person her brain was clouded over the tryptanol gave tremors in the legs and panic attacks along with unco ordination occurred she did not know what she was doing as her brain was closed down has anyone had similar problems and or have any suggestions as to the next step thankyou in advance gordon taylor e mail blubird penguin equinox gen nz windows observation floppy copy works under pgm mgr but not dos shell has anyone observed this if i copy a large say 800k file a large pkzip file for instance to my floppy drive 3 5 under ms windows 3 1 via either program manager or a dos shell the file copied under the dos shell has errors whereas the file copied from within program manager does not the corruption is detected by executing pkunzip t b file zip after both copies the file copied via the dos shell always shows corruption now heres the kicker i have many windows open while doing this both dos and windows apps supposedly all windows apps share the same time slice whereas the dos apps get their own equal time slice unless overriden so as an example i have 5 windows apps open 2 multitasking dos sessions running and one execution execlusive dos shell iconized inactive under this scenario cpu time is divided into two major slices one for all the windows apps and one slice for the running dos app when copying under windows pgm mgr ill assume the other windows and dos tasks are essentially inactive thus pgm mgr gets say 80 of the windows slice and 95 of the execution background dos shells slices thus it gets 8 95 2 72 or 72 of the total available cpu time when copying in a dos shell i activate the execute exclusive mode dos shell no other dos background tasks allowed full screen under the windows task manager the cpu time available to this shell would be 80 of the windows slice assumming inactive windows applications and 100 of the dos slice 1 0 8 8 or 80 of the total available cpu time so why do i get copy errors under dos if it has the greater amount of cpu time is program manager working in a pre emptive mode during the floppy copy it must be miscellaneous data running windows on top of dos 5 0 qemm 5 x rapidbios sys 2 0 mbyte smartdrive no delayed writes two ramdrives logitech mouse driver 6 2 full 16mbytes motherboard ram 64kbyte motherboard cache 386 dx 33 mhz running dos edit com tsr in the dos shell wayne long oe215 internet wcl risc sps mot com 6501 william cannon drive west uucp cs texas edu oakhill risc wcl austin texas 78735 8598 phone 512 891 4649 fax 891 3818 cars re us made m b suv in article 93096 101507rsm2 psuvm psu edu rsm2 psuvm psu edu writes mercedes benz announced yesterday its plans to begin building sport utility vehicles in the us by 1997 they are targeted at the jeep grand cherokee et al and will reportedly sell for less than 30 000 did anyone see a picture is it the g wagon gelaendewagen currently there is a picture in the may 1993 edition of european car although it may not be on the shelf yet some things that the article says prototype has front wheel drive first front drive for mercedes since the beginning of wwii wheelbase 3 15m 7 seater they claim that the price will be about the same as a renault espace or chrysler voyager dm 50 000 looking at the picture slightly disguised it looks like the ford aerostar to me available in europe and in the us by grey market or is it an entirely new vehicle any details would be appreciated dick meyer applied research laboratory penn state larry keys csmes ncsl nist gov oo 1990 2 0 16v fahrvergnugen forever the fact that i need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldnt understand anyway medicine need reference multiple personalities disorders and allergies i heard third hand not the best form of information that there was recently published results of a study on multiple personality disorder syndrome patients revealing some interesting clues that the root cause of allergy may have a psychological trigger or basis what i heard about this study was that in one personality a mpds patient exhibited no observable or clinical signs of inhalant allergy scratch tests were used according to what i heard while in other personalities they showed obvious allergy symptoms including testing a full on scratch tests for particular inhalants if this is true it is truly fascinating but id like to know if this study was ever done and if so what the study really showed and where the study is published any help out there jon noring charter member infj club if youre dying to know what infj means be brave e mail me ill send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 freds gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone 510 294 8153 chips worlds best livermore ca 94550 v mail 510 417 4101 who are you read alt psychology personality thats where the action is religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed rick howtek mv com rick roy writes in article 1r1u5t 595 lm1 oryx com alt conspiracy talk religion misc xcpslf oryx com stephen l favor writes koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns even if what you say is true do you think this is a reasonable way to deal with people who want lots of illegal guns what makes you say that the guns were illegal i understand that the bds had a valid class iii federal firearms permit which would allow them to have pretty much anything short of a howitzer legally tom gillman systems programmer aaaaagggghhhh wells computer center ga state univ any classic star trek security 404 651 4503 syshtg gsusgi2 gsu edu officer sometime during the show gsu doesnt care what i say on the internet why should you medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article 1993apr15 150550 15347 ecsvax uncecs edu ccreegan ecsvax uncecs edu charles l creegan writes what about kekules infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails is this specific enough to count certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic phil of sci texts as an example of the inventive component of hypothesizing and has been rather thoroughly demolished as myth by robert scott root bernstein see his book discovering ring structures for benzene had been proposed before kekule after him and at the same time as him the current models do not resemble kekules many of the predecessors of kekules structure resemble the modern model more i dont think extra scientific is a very useful phrase in a discussion of the boundaries of science except as a proposed definiens extra rational is a better phrase in fact there are quite a number of well known cases of extra rational considerations driving science in a useful direction for example pasteur discovered that racemic acid was a mixture of enantiomers the origin of stereochemistry partly because he liked a friends crank theory of chemical action the friend was wrong but pasteurs discovery stood a prior investigator mitscherlich looking at the same phenomenon had missed a crucial detail presumably because he lacked pasteurs motivation to find something that distinguished racemic acid from tartaric now we say d tartaric acid again pasteur discovered the differential fermentation of enantiomers tartaric acid again not because of some rational conviction but because he was trying to produce yeast that lived on l tartaric acid his notebooks contained fantasies of becoming the newton of mirror image life which he never admitted publically perhaps the best example is the discovery that dna carries genes avery started this work because of one of his students and ardent anglophile and francophobe canadian defended fred griffiths discoveries in mice most of griffiths critics were french which decided the issue for the student avery told him to replicate griffiths work in vitro which the student eventually did whereupon avery was convinced and started the research program which in 15 or so years produced the famous discovery avery macleod and mccarty jem 1944 mark a fulk university of rochester computer science department fulk cs rochester edu cars vw passat again kojo valet phx mcd mot com kojo yeboah writes ky to all those who have passats do you recommend using super unleaded or just ky regular unleaded gasoline i have been using regular unleaded a friend of mine has ky a jetta and has always used super unleaded and thinks i should be using the same ky however i believe the advantages of super unleaded for cars 30000 and under ky has been overplayed by guess who the companies who sell them because that is ky where they make the most profit a ralph nader report and other consumer advocates ky have in the past spoken against those oil companies your passat vr6 is designed to run on premium gasoline however the engine electronics will retard the timing so that no harm wil be done to the engine with lower octane fuel you will likely however get somewhat more power and fuel mileage especially in hot weather out of this particular engine if you do run it on premium tom neumann deluxe 1 25 350 i sell volkswagens canada remote systems toronto ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044 medicine re earwax in article lu2definnac7 news bbn com levin bbn com joel b levin writes bobm ingres com bob mcqueer writes one question i do have a doctor who flushed out my ears once also advocated a drop of rubbing alcohol in them afterwards to flush out any remaining trapped water said he told swimmers to do this after swimming too it works but it stings like the devil so ive always been content to let any water in my ears from swimming or flushing them out figure out how to get out by itself if shaking my head a few times wont do the trick any comments perhaps diluting the rubbing alcohol in some water until you feels comfortable will do the trick windows re hercules graphite in article 1993apr06 185638 12139 metrics com tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes has anyone used a hercules graphite adapter it looks good on paper and steve gibson gave it a very good review in infoworld id love to get a real world impression though how is the speed drivers support the pc world reviewers found out that the herc people had hard coded winbench text into the driver clever no in any case the winbench results are pretty much inflated when and if you get one send me mail i might buy that ati gu off you 9 iskandar taib the only thing worse than peach ala internet ntaib silver ucs indiana edu frog is frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubacs baseball yankees schedule can someone in this net post a yankee schedule i need this right away thank you guns re proper gun control what is proper gun control in article c5jatz 5g4 cbnewsc cb att com rats cbnewsc cb att com morris the cat writes lets prohibit arms carrying by police when off duty or if they make the assertion that well i need to maintain my gun lets make it regulation that they can carry an unloaded firearm home that its only fair that they be just as helpless as poor schmuck coming home from his computer operator job nra director ex san jose cop leroy pyle states in the latest swat magazine that anti cops better watch out for this schism between rkba folks and the police he asks the rhetorical question of what if whats left of the gun lobby starts demanding the disarmament of the police well i guess anti gun cops who think only they should be armed along with the wealthy and politically connected should be made to realize that screwing can cut in ways they have yet to imagine we all know this will never happen because the police are under the wings of government they will always be considered more important than citizens government pens pencils and paper are considered more important than citizens i think we have a problem with our government cars re the 1994 mustang in article 1993apr22 192652 3032 virginia edu jmm4h virginia edu the blade runner writes i just have got to remind all of you that this is it yes thats right somtime this fall ford the granddaddy of cars will be introducing an all new mega cool way too fast for accord drivers mustang its supposed to be 100 streamlined looking similar to the mach iii concept car ford came out with around january i cant wait anyone out there hear anything about it recently if everything ive read is correct ford is doing nothing but re skinning the existing mustang with minor suspension modifications and the pictures ive seen indicate they didnt do a very good job of it the new mustang is nothing but a re cycle of a 20 year old car jeff cars re integra gsr in article 1993apr5 234729 100387 ns1 cc lehigh edu daz1 ns1 cc lehigh edu demosthenis a zeppos writes why dont you look again at motor trends slalom times they are 67 9 right along with the integra and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that are all weather xgtv4 not to mention that the integra rides alot better than a beretta my gs came with xgt v4s and they are not all weather tires i took out my right front bumper sliding on packed snow not ice before i learned this fact i immediately bought xgt h4s which are definately all weather a carrera 4 i walk by everyday has xgt v4s on it even the michelin dealer where i bought my new tires said the v4s were made out of a different rubber that gets really hard and slick when the weather gets near feezing said hed only try to sell me those tires during the winter if we were in texas and not colorado thanks eric o an inactive lifestyle eric j lorenzo violates our genetic warranty lorenzo rintintin colorado edu not to excercise is not also spot ucsu to be fully human keith johnsgard guns re why are we being censored in a free america this node specificaly in article 1993apr23 072224 13478 mixcom mixcom com you write which article of the constitution gives me the right of revolution if things seem to be going cockeyed hmmm peter g white president synthesis 93 inc milwaukee wisconsin u s a peter white mixcom com dunno if youll find it in the constitution but that other document of american liberty that kids are taught to hallow in school is the declaration of independence that document is in fact a justification not just for the right if revolution but of the duty of revolution by the people once the government gets too oppressive it is a very radical document and i recommend all americans especially those in office read it once a year religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed in article 1r1u5t 595 lm1 oryx com xcpslf oryx com stephen l favor writes seems to me koresh is yet another messenger that got killed for the message he carried which says nothing about the character of the messenger i reckon well have to find out the rest the hard way koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns i suppose these illegal guns have been found i suppose he was going to kill a bunch of people with them ray cote theres no government like no government medicine nose picking i have two quations to ask 1 does it cause the body any harm if one picks ones nose for example might it lead to a loss of ability to smell 2 is it harmful for one to eat ones nose pickings stephen baseball re quick easy question rauser fraser sfu ca richard john rauser writes heres an easy question for someone who knows nothing about baseball what city do the california angels play out of anaheim richard j rauser you have no idea what youre doing rauser sfu ca oh dont worry about that were professional wni outlaws we do this for a living remember no matter where you go there you are dr banzai cars questions about insurance companies esp geico im considering switching to geico insurance but have heard that they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim i was worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim i have also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident im interestend in determining whether or not these things are true has anyone out there with geico made a claim id be interested in hearing whether or not you were satisfied with the service and whether you then had trouble renewing your policy im also interested in any good or bad stories about liberty mutual or state farm medicine re hismanal et al side effects in article 1993apr21 231301 3050 seas gwu edu sheryl seas gwu edu sheryl coppenger writes in article 1993apr21 024103 29880 spdcc com dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes hismanal astemizole is most definitely linked to weight gain it really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly doesnt cross the blood brain barrier and so tends not to cause drowsiness the original poster mentioned fatigue i had that too but it was mostly due to the really bizarre dreams i was having i wasnt getting any rest my doctor said that was a common reaction if astemizole doesnt cross the blood brain barrier how does it cause that side effect any ideas it made me really bitchy for the first few weeks now that i think about it i was having some bizarre dreams too my doctor said it made him feel like he had to be doing something all the time but if you keep taking it after a few weeks these symptoms seem to go away he said hang in there i did and they did baseball re 15 day 30 day 60 day disabled list questions in article derichc52gje fja netcom com derich netcom com scotty tissue writes whenever a person is put on the 15 day 30 day or 60 day the person is on the list longer than the specificed time ive seen a person on the 15 day for maybe 4 months last year i dont remember what i just need a little clarification on the disabled list specifications i believe we are down to two the 15 day and the 60 day i dont remember a 30 day but rather a 21 day anyways its gone now the period length is a minimum not a maximum you can keep a guy on the 15 day for as long as you want if hes still certified as injured the player must be periodically re evaluated to determine if hes still injured thus you cannot park a player on the dl who maybe is out of options and you do not wish to expose to waivers if you get someone qualified for the 60 day that reduces the frequency of re evaluations there is no longer i believe any limit to the number of players you can place on the dl when there was you often had to choose and juggle your injured players between the lists king sparky banaian no taxes no new taxes kbanaian pitzer claremont edu no old taxes we are taxed dept of economics pitzer college enough rep alan keyes latest 1993 gdp forecast 2 4 please run alan guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders snip draughn iitmax iit edu mark draughn writes the president is not competent to plan or judge the planning of such a raid nor does he need to be his job is to set basic policies and manage the people under him if clinton instructed reno to preserve lives and if she confirmed that the plan for the raid was a safe as could be then he did his job the president should not involve himself in the minor details of these kinds of operations this sort of micromanagement only leads to disaster as was demonstrated so well in vietnam but the raid went bad over 80 civilians have been killed in a controntation with u s authorities now clinton enters the picture in a big way will clinton start an investigation or will he try to squash any attempt to investigate is he a responsible leader or is he only interested in protecting the image of his administration well all find out as this unfolds excellent point mark we should all remember that if nixon hadnt tried to cover up the misguided actions of some of his subordinates in the watergate burglary the scandal would never have brought down his presidency so far klinton seems to be stonewalling this the same way tricky dick did his whole case seems to be we didnt do anything wrong however if in the course of the investigation it turns out that the govt did do something wrong and he tried to cover it up then thats an impeachable crime i believe perhaps he is inadvertently cooking up his own scandal can you say wacogate little neighbor ya know this being part of the loyal opposition is kinda fun for a change i sure am glad i get to bitch about clinton rather than having to be one of those poor saps stuck trying to defend him i wonder how michael kinsley likes being part of the establishment ken whitehead kdw odin icd ab com windows re order of files written when exitting windows in article 1993apr22 001934 14921 ucsu colorado edu hayesj rintintin colorado edu hayes james michael jr writes trying to pin point a hardware problem with my disk maxtor 7213at group files get corrupted on a regular basis only happens on this drive d had only one corrupt file in over a year and it was under the control of winword on c 32 bit disk access and smartdrive are off since installation of dblspace problem has turned from an annoyance to a reason for murder are you using fastopen if you are disable it we had a lot of problems with fastopen corrupting weird things including the windows permanent swap file when we were using it since the most frequent files corrupted are the grp files are these the last thing written to when exitting windows indeed they are advanced personal measure tells me they are accessed just before shell dll also are there any pd shareware utilities available that do a more thorough job than dos 6 ndd 4 5 etc dos 6 and win 3 1 compatable i really like spinrite and qa plus tom paladin world std com baseball re the 1964 phillies deja vu in article 1993apr14 222601 21160 cabell vcu edu csc2imd cabell vcu edu ian m derby writes after reading my local paper today i found out that the phillies started the 1964 season at 10 2 i am not as old as 1964 but ive heard many talk about the serious choke job the phillies did that season they were ahead of the cardinals by 15 games that season in mid august they managed to lose a bunch from then on and the cardinals took the division 15 games ahead and lost it i hope this season is much different i dont shannon cardinals fan kohl cars re male female mystery re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article 1pq8tkinnbek chester ksu ksu edu bets chester ksu ksu edu beth schwindt writes besides which where would men put all their crap if their wives didnt carry purses beth my wife rarely carries a purse so all of her crap ends up in my pockets ron deblock rdb1 homxb att com thats a number 1 in rdb1 not letter l at t bell labs somerset nj usa cars re warning please read in article 1993apr15 173851 25846 convex com tobias convex com allen tobias writes in article 1993apr15 024246 8076 virginia edu ejv2j virginia edu erik velapoldi writes this happened about a year ago on the washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass four or five cars were hit there were several serious injuries and sadly a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck in the head by one of the larger rocks i dont recall if she made it but i think she was comatose for a month or so and doctors werent holding out hope that shed live what the hell is happening to this great country of ours i can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such but 20 pound rocks has our society really stooped this low yes nobody is watching them if they get caught there is no punishment at all in the old days such behaviour would be rewarded with a whipping with a good sized belt and then taken into some hospital to see first hand what kind of damage such accidents cause of course this doesnt happen any more that whipping would probably save the kids life by teaching him some respect for others a person with that little respect would inevitably wind up dead early anyway the problem is creeping gradualism if you put a frog into hot water he just jumps out but if you put him into cold water and then ever so gradually heat it the frog will cook this is what the entertainment industry and lack of religious moral and educational standards in our modern north american society have done to us over the years now that we are about to be cooked we may have woken up too late erik velapold society as we have known it it coming apart at the seams the basic reason is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is no big deal kids see hundreds on murderous acts on tv we can abort children on demand and kill the sick and old at will so why be surprised when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people they dont care because the message they hear is life is cheap and the education system and the religious leaders arent doing much about it either with both parents working in this society where is the stabilizing influence at home latchkey children are everywhere and these latchkey kids can watch whatever rotten videos and listen to whatever violent hate promoting music and videos they like because no one is home to stop it this day and age when there is about 100 times more things to learn than when i went to school our answer to this increased knowledge is shorter school hours and more leisure time i say keep the kids in school longer feed them good food and teach them something and when they get home have a parent there to interact and monitor them there is a very old and now forgotten proverb a child left on his own will bring a parent to grief daycare systems are not the answer this is just shifting the parents own responsibilities off on someone else to whom its not a life long committment but rather just a job at followups should go to alt parents teens fred w bach operations group internet music erich triumf ca triumf tri university meson facility voice 604 222 1047 loc 327 278 4004 wesbrook mall ubc campus fax 604 222 1074 university of british columbia vancouver b c canada v6t 2a3 these are my opinions which should only make you read think and question they do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr20 173019 11903 llyene jpl nasa gov julie eddie jpl nasa gov julie kangas writes as for how foods taste if im not allergic to msg and i like the taste of it why shouldnt i use it saying i shouldnt use it is like saying i shouldnt eat spicy food because my neighbor has an ulcer julie it doesnt necessarily follow that you should use it msg or something else for that matter simply because you are not allergic to it for example you might not be allergic to animal fats and like their taste yet it doesnt follow that you should be using them regularly msg might have other bad or good i am not up on knowledge of msg effects on your body in the long run maybe thats reason enough not to use it altho your example of the ulcer is funny it isnt an appropriate comparison at all prakash das windows re atm in article 1r1jq4 af5 network ucsd edu adean weber ucsd edu anthony v dean writes ive been reading with much confusion about whether or not to use atmanager lately all the packages ive been buying have all included atmanager as a bonus i do some desktop publishing using pagemaker and coreldraw coreldraw comes with a nifty laser disk that contains over 200 diff types add that to the ttfonts that come with win31 and you have a decent amount of fonts i print my creations out on an hp4 postcript at 600 dpi resolution with the resolution enhancement technology and well i get some darn good copies so good that there isnt any diff whether or not atmanager is turned on or not is it worth it to run atm at all especially with these better printer technologies and tt atm will do nothing for your truetype fonts if your truetype fonts are sufficient for your needs dont run atm i have a lot of fonts that i can install either as type 1 postscript under atm or as truetype i have noticed that 1 truetype font files are at least 1 3 larger than their type 1 equivalents if you are using a disk compressor though be aware that truetype fonts will compress whereas type 1 fonts will not they are encrypted 2 with a 300 dpi laser printer the artificial bold version of a truetype font is indistingishable from the original forcing me to install the actual bold and bold italic etc variants if i want to use them type 1 postscript fonts under atm generate a visually distinct bold variant from the base font i realize that the artificial bold font that atm generates is aesthetically inferior to the hand generated bold truetype variant but it is sufficient for my needs and not having to install bold variants saves me 50 on disk space uncompressed bob nichols at t bell laboratories rnichols ihlpm ih att com guns re the dayton gun buy back re boston gun buy back in 1993apr21 202659 28336 mtu edu cescript mtu edu charles scripter writes is there something similar pro gun people can do for example pay 100 to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm sounds a bit tacky but hey whatever works how about a gun buy back charity get some sponsors to fund the purchase of used firearms have a gunsmith check them over and give or sell them at a low price to poor persons wishing to own firearms why sell them at a low price to poor people immediately the nra is an educational organization too after all and it would be a shame to pay all that money for new guns when these cheap guns would allow a lot of money thus saved to be used in opening more classes mention that the nra trains our boys in blue and youve got the media between a rock and a hard place city pays 50 per gun to reduce crime or nra to pay 50 per gun to provide training guns for police and citizens classes expanded with money saved dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them baseball re yakult swallows japanese pro baseball team anyone have any idea how to get japanese league stats regularly in the us matt wall cc swarthmore edu in article f0v 11moqf lab ntt jp yajima nttcom ntt jp yajima hiroshi wrote tuesdays game of beloved yakult swallows at jingu 36 000 hanshin tigers 001 000 100 2 beloved yakult 050 020 00x 7 w ito 1 0 l nakagomi 0 1 hr yakult arai 1st central league standing w l t pct gb hiroshima carp 7 1 0 875 chunichi dragons 6 3 0 667 1 5 hanshin tigers 5 4 0 667 2 5 hated giants 4 4 0 500 3 0 beloved swallows 3 6 0 333 4 5 yokohama baystars 1 8 0 111 6 5 hiroshi yajima e mail yajima nttcom ntt jp ntt network information systems laboratories 9 11 midori cho 3 chome musashino shi tokyo 180 japan tel 81 422 59 4256 fax 81 422 59 4254 matt wall wall cc swarthmore edu hey i gotta job here ok april 6 1993 boston red sox seize first place windows re challenge to microsoft supporters for the most part this newsgroup is attack oriented microsoft has been attacked on anything ranging from the quality of our products the intelligence of our people the integrity of our business etc anyone would get defensive when being baselessly attacked we are human beings as well you should expect a response when a claim that an employee might feel is unwarranted is leveled ignore the attacks and look at the sales numbers and the ms stock price if you need some gratification just keep doing the great job you have done in the past thx dave l guns re fbi directors statement on waco standoff ndallen r node hub org nigel allen writes fbi directors statement on waco standoff i had hoped to be making a very different statement this evening after very careful planning and extensive preparation we all thought that todays efforts by the fbi to bring the branch davidians out of their compound would result in the peaceful resolution of the stand off or at least meaningful negotiation instead we are faced with devastation and death however i have no question that our plan was correct and was conducted with extreme professionalism and care i applaud the restraint shown by agents in the face of life threatening gunfire and i thank them for risking their lives to try to end this peacefully i have only the greatest admiration for the courage and professionalism of all involved i have no question that our plan was correct months to get ready unlimited funds knowledge of a threatened mass suicide by fire and no fire trucks on hand this is extreme professionalism and care i can understand the first screwed up raid by the batf they underestimated the opposition which happens but not this one the fbi had their first team in place massive resources ample time for planning and bringing up any specialized equipment or people necessary they still botched it the fbi director and the fbi sac in overall charge should resign or be fired for incompetence i dont blame reno or clinton they gave the fbi clear orders dont go in unless you can do it without casualties if you cant do that wait it out those were reasonable orders the fbi said they could pull off a tactical solution and they couldnt john nagle windows re challenge to microsoft supporters ludes hubcap clemson edu larry ludes ludwig writes stuff deleted about microsoft bferrell ant occ uc edu brett ferrell writes if you think that windows is useable you must not use it much windows version of crash protection is wearing a helmet while computing the arir air bag is an expensive add on brett you must of read too many os 2 advertisements crash protection is such a marketing gimick it isnt funny out of 4 months of using windows on my new machine ive only had it crash once and i dont have a run of the mill configuration wow what did you use it for single tasked word processing i have 8 files loaded right now and a 29 mb virtual machine 12mb of ram my friend down the street gripes that he cant even format a floppy in the background many unix people love os 2 because they are used to multi tasking systems microsoft is not a leader in innovation but they certainly know how to build a better mousetrap now whats wrong with that too bad they hold a gun to the mouse piper while they throw mice at their new trap trying to get it to work kenton cmu edu os 2 fixes broken windows medicine help reflux esophagitis i am writing this to find out the following 1 any information on surgery to prevent reflux esophagitis 2 the name s of a doctor s who specialize in such surgery 3 information on reflux esophagitis which leads to cancer my boyfriend age 34 and otherwise in good health was diagnosed with reflux esophagitis and a hiatal hernia about 2 years ago at that time he saw a gastroenterologist and has tried acid controllers mylanta tagamet as well as a restricted diet and raising the head of his bed these treatments were not effective and because the damage was worsening he opted for a surgical repair 3 months ago he was told there were two repair techniques that could fix the problem a nissen wrap and a hill repair he opted for the hill repair he recovered very well from the surgery itself but the pain he had originally is worse and in addition he now has trouble swallowing including saliva the doctor now wants to do an endoscopy and has also informed him that a biopsy might be necessary if he has a pre cancerous condition which he called barretts syndrome if he cant avoid having reflux will he necessarily get cancer basically if anyone has any information on what he should do now id appreciate it thanks pat lydon netmanage inc pat netmanage com baseball re young catchers since i was the one responsible for these divergent threads of approx 40 posts going back to the braves could be better off if an injury happens i may as well inject a little more fuel to the flame 1 back at the beginning of spring training i though lopez would make the squad easily olson was still recovering from his late season injury knee i believe and there were questions as to whether he would be able to play before june and then berryhill was dinged up i was looking forward to this because i believe that lopez can hit and field the position before last season he was the braves defensive catcher prospect while brian deak was the braves offensive catcher prospect besides olson and berryhill couldnt hit their way out of a wet cardboard box and dont walk enough to be useful but olson recovered quickly berryhill recovered and the braves went with the two vets i still say that if one of those two had been down at the start of the season he wouldnt have gotten his job back 2 there is a certain logic to keeping olson and berryhill around after all ml catchers are in short supply and suffer from wear and tear there are teams out there without one average ml catcher california and seattle come to mind certainly trying to move olson or berryhill through waivers would be unlikely to work plus youd have to eat that salary which isnt huge but isnt tiddleywinks either i think olsons at about 800 000 berryhill at 450 000 but thats only what i recall 3 yes i think arbitration eligibility may have a role to play in this also what is it that 5 6 of the 2 year players arent eligible for arbitration only the 1 6 that were on the roster the longest are eligible of course the system may change but the extent of that change is not yet known from a business standpoint it may make sense to keep lopez down until june the first time olson berryhill go on the dl 4 i am still disappointed that lopez isnt on the team i still prefer to think of myself as a fan when it comes to the braves and the truth is that id rather see our best team on the field which imo includes lopez of course today we play the cubs hopefully we wont need him as for the schuerholz cox conversation i imagine it went like this remember theyve both been gms the following is not meant to be read by the humor impaired cox ok weve sent jones down his fielding could be a little smoother besides blauser can hit ok and his fielding is better than it used to be schuerholz well well have to send nieves down too deion just wont sign that baseball only contract we cant count on him in october so we have to keep nixon around for the defense besides gormans not ready to give up on billy hatcher yet once hatchers gone and deion signs we can move nixon for frankie rodriguez that ought to give us some pitching depth in 1995 cox yep thatll be nice too bad deion wont sign ok ill look for nieves when justice starts having berry berry er back problems again now what about klesko schuerholz well weve still got to fork out another 1 5 mil for bream if we keep klesko we either lose the money or cabrera i keep dangling sid in front of dal maxwell but somehow he doesnt seem to be the same gm first jeffries for jose and now whiten for clark if he gets rid of brian jordan then id have to believe that he and whitey herzog switched bodies at the winter meetings cox ok keep trying on bream and ill wait til the trading deadline for my hunter klesko platoon maybe i can get a few extra at bats for cabrera while we wait try california if snow starts slowly maybe whiteydal will bite on sid and if that doesnt work then perhaps sids knees could be persuaded to act up theres always the 15 day dl mwa ha ha ha ha schuerholz what about caraballo cox well hes not that much better than lemke maybe if he starts in richmond hell start walking more besides if hes going to be arbitration eligible better to stretch him out so that we actually get some value from him before he makes the big bucks schuerholz now lets see that leaves lopez cox nooooo i gotta keep lopez sure i didnt think olson would recover this quickly maybe i can talk caminiti into running into him again schuerholz nope lopez has gotta go you know that hell get 3 million in arbitration may as well put it off that one extra year besides until olsons shown his stuff a little bit i cant trade him besides berryhills a left handed hitter you know how rare that is cox dont you mean a left handed whiffer pretty common if you ask me i mean he made pat borders look good in the world series pat borders schuerholz hey youre the one who wouldnt write lopez into the lineup cox well youre the one who went out and got me jeff reardon besides i thought lopez wouldnt be used to our pitching staffs stuff he got some time with them this spring looked pretty good come on surely we only need to keep one stiff behind the plate schuerholz yeah but which stiff whichever one we keep will be hurt by may cox ok ok you made your point keep them both surely one of them will be on the dl by june at the latest then i can call up lopez and then we can win 110 games the pennant the world series ill be up there with john mcgraw casey stengel earl weaver oh they laughed at me in toronto but have you ever had to deal with george bell ill finally get my just reward mwa ha ha ha schuerholz easy bobby have you been taking those happy pills left around by chuck tanner whyd you ever hire that guy anyhow cox dont ask me ask ted eric roush fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu i am a marxist of the groucho sort grafitti paris 1968 tanstaafl although the internet comes close medicine re eugenics in article 19617 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes we do this should we make a race of disease free long lived arnold schwartzenegger muscled supermen even if we can sure as long as theyll make one for me medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr17 202011 21443 spdcc com dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes in article 1993apr17 184435 19725 cunews carleton ca wcsbeau alfred carleton ca opirg writes there has been no hard info provided about msg making people ill thats the point after all why dont you just look it up in the merk or check out the medical dictionary cite which a doctor mentioned earlier in this thread thats because these peer reviewed studies are not addressing the effects of msg in people theyre looking at animal models you cant walk away from this and start ranting about gloom and doom as if there were any documented deleterious health effects demonstrated in humans note that i wouldnt have any argument with a statement like noting that animal administration has pro duced the following blah blah we must be careful about its use in humans this is precisely not what you said among others see olneys excitotoxic food aditives relevance of animal studies to human safety 1982 neurobehav toxicol teratol vol 6 455 462 im sure peta would love to hear your arguments tests have been done on rhesus monkeys as well i have never seen a study where the mode of administration was intra ventricular the glu and asp were administered orally some studies used iv and sc intra ventricular is not a normal admin method for food tox studies for obvious reasons you must not have read the peer reviewed works that i referred to or you would never have come up with this brain injection bunk it most certainly is for neurotoxicology you know studies of glutamate involve more than food science whose talking about food science what is this comment supposed to mean neurotoxicology and tratology brain research nature progress in brain research all fine food science journals pardon me but where are you getting this from have you read the journals have you done a thorough literature search so point us to the studies in humans please im familiar with the literature and ive never seen any which relate at all to olneys work in animals and the effects of glutamate on neurons then you would know that olney himself has casually referred to chinese restaurant syndrome in a few articles why dont you point us to some studies maybe then this exchange could be productive the point is exceeding the window of course theyre amino acids note that people with pku cannot tolerate any phenylalanine well actually they have to tolerate some phenylalanine its a essential amino acid they just try to get as little as is healthy without producing dangerous levels of phenylalanine and its metabolites in the blood theyre unable to metabolise it olneys research compared infant human diets specifically the amount of freely available glu in mothers milk versus commercial baby foods vs typical lunch items from the standard american diet such as packaged soup mixes he found that one could exceed the projected safety margin for infant humans by at least four fold in a single meal of processed foods mothers milk was well below the effective dose goodness im not saying that its good to feed infants a lot of glutamate supplemented foods its just that this projected safety margin is a construct derived from animal models and given that you can prove anything you like were talking prudent policy in infant nutrition here yet youre misrepresenting it as received wisdom who said anything about received wisdom there is no question that orally administered doses of msg are capable of destroying nearly all neurons in the arcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus and the median eminence these areas are responsible for the production of hormones critical to normal neuroendocrine function and the normal development of the vertabrate organism humans are vertebrates now what pray tell do you think will happen when the area of the brain necessary for the normal rhythm of gonadotropin release is missing are you trying to say that humans have no need of their pituitary anh and me of that part of the brain that is responsible for controlling the realease albeit indirectly of estradiol and testosterone how do you expect anyone to do the studies on this its unethical to sacrifice humans to check out what effects chronic acute etc doses of these compounds are having on the brain tissue in humans the food industry knows this thats why the animal model is used in medicine and psych if youre talking about straight sensitivity it would be useful to define the term there are plenty of studies on psychoneuroimmunology showing the link between attitude and physiology i suspect we may be arguing about separate things only adult sensitivities you and late occuring sequelae of childhood ingestion and its implication for adults me certainly the doses for excitotoxicity in adults are considerably larger than for the young but the additivity of glu and asp and their copious and increased presence in modern processed foods jointly and their hidden presence in hvp necessitates extreme caution why would anyone want to eat compounds which have been shown to markedly perturb the endocrine system in adults the main point is blood levels attained and oral doses would likely have to be greater than sc between who over what i would be most interested in seeing you provide peer reviewed non food industry funded citations to articles disputing that msg has no effects whatsoever you mean asserting youre being intellectually dishonest or just plain confused because youre conflating reports which do not necessarily have anything to do with each other olneys reports would argue a potential for problems in human infants but thats not to say that this says anything whatsoever about the use of msg in most foods nor does he provide any studies in humans which indicate any deleterious effects for obvious reasons it says nothing about msgs contribtion to the phenomenon of the chinese restaurant syndrome it says nothing about the frequent inability to replicate anecdotal reports of msg sensitivity in the lab olneys work provides a putative causal mechanism for some sensitivities terry epelbaum and martin have shown that orally administered msg causes changes in normal gonadotropic hormone fluctutations in adults glu also was found to induce immediate and persistant supression of rhythmic gh secretion and to induce rapid and transient release of prolactin in adults chronically exposed to msg gh is responsible not only for control of growth during development but also converts glycogen into glucose could this be the cause of headaches i dont know dyer ursa major spdcc com hmm com why am i not surprised dianne murray wcsbeau ccs carleton ca probably one of the dumber remarks youve made if you had read olneys review article especially the remarks i already quoted in an earlier post you would know to what i was alluding may i ask exactly for whom you do computer consulting guns re guns gone good riddance jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes you are loosing stuff deleted avoid situations which encourage criminals then you will be as safe as possible such as it is really how do you avoid situations which encourage criminals id really like to know would you say prohibit female college students from riding their bicycles near the university during the daytime sounds a bit drastic doesnt it especially when the university is locatd in a nice residential area a friend of mine was attacked and nearly raped in just this situation the police didnt feel she was in a situation which encouraged criminals what do you think should we just tell her that it was her fault for daring to ride a bicycle in the middle of the day that she didnt avoid a situation that encouraged criminals if thats the case then wed all better put bars on our doors and windows and pray for a police state to keep us all safe crime happens in all situations there are no defined areas that criminals avoid larry sacks advanced micro devices lsacks angelo amd com windows re workgroup questions conven ram and licensing in article ny 0ra6abh107h eosvcr wimsey bc ca aew eosvcr wimsey bc ca writes i would be very appreciative if someone would answer a few questions about windows for workgroups i currently have novell netware lite which does not work with windows very well and is a conventional memory hog ver 1 1 i am considering moving all our machines to w4wg q1 how much conventional ram does w4wg use over and above the driver for the network card i have just checked it and you have three files that are loaded protman 128 bytes driver 9072 bytes workgrp 4416 bytes q2 if i have a novell ne2000 card are the lsl and ipx drivers still needed no w4wg uses its own drivers q3 does w4wg do a license check over the network to ensure each machine is running its own licenced copy of w4wg note i do not want to break the license agreement and i will buy a copy of w4wg for each of our machines it is just that i would like to try it out first to see if it meets our needs returning one opened copy is much easier than returning n opened copies not that i know of i bought two copies had some problems with one installed both from the same copie no problems do worry i just had a really old bios and thats the only problem i got q4 if you buy the upgrade to windows 3 1 for w4wg does it replace all of win 3 1 as you install it or does it depend on current win 3 1 files it will replace all older files i think and prompt you for the others q5 if i install windows nt on my server when it comes out will i have any troubles with the w4wg machines this i do not know when i started this message i was going to ask only 2 questions but i got carried away ill stop now i look forward to your replies al hope this helps gel medicine re pregnency without sex len howard tas pegasus com wrote well now doc i sure would not want to bet my life on those little critters not being able to get thru one layer of sweat soaked cotton on their way to do their programmed task infrequent yes unlikely yes but impossible i learned a long time ago never to say never in medicine g len howard md facog yes i suppose a single layer of wet cotton would be feasible after all we certainly do not make condoms out of cotton kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer guns re blast them next time oldham ces cwru edu daniel oldham writes what happened in waco is not the fault of the batf if they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened seal team six should have handled it delta force the batf had more than enough equipment and men they did not have good intel but they did have poor planning they fucked up even in just the most basic military sense they fucked up excuses do not justify body counts the batf needs more people better weapons and more armored transports when they meet hostile fire they should be able to use more force instead of retreating to a stand off if you are going to do a job then do it right the batf is there to protect us and they must have the proper equipment and people to do the job and your excuses fall upon deaf ears when the same batf has shown shitty leadership despite more people better weapons and exclusive use of armor against their targets batf is nothing more than a private army of the government do the agents swear an oath as i did to uphold the constitution you know that document that stipulates the highest law of the land if they do they should be up for charges in a court of law remember the law thats the whole reason for any of this with the wod and the increased crime in the streets the batf is needed more now then ever if they blast away a few good fokes then that is the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country look at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country of ours yeah ive been related to many of them this is flame bait right im not paying your price mind if i sight in my guns on your body think of it as the price you have to pay that we may all live without fear of my making a stray shot its fine and dandy to revel in the other guy being the target and your supposed safety in the military we called this chicken shit leadership from the rear the war on drugs despite being a catchy term for nothing more than a continuation of policy since before this century seems to have gotten you convinced that my rights arent worth your good vibes mind if i cut your net access as well as access to any and all forms of expression see you make me nervous what with you being able to influence so many im sure you can see how this is the price we have to pay for freedom and liberty in this country as well as a fair and unbiased judiciary with the arms build up in waco they needed to hit that compound with mega fire power they could of gone in there blasting and killed a few women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn to death 51 days later mind if we include you in the body count im sure we could all file it under civic improvement and your life wouldnt have been sacrificed in vain if you like you can will your estate to defecit reduction too now when you learn how the law protects or doesnt protect everybody equally and how our collective boot may one day be on your collective throat perhaps at that time you will mature enough to realize just what youre talking about and how serious this is next time include a smiley while i hesitate to think that you could have meant this seriously it deserved a small flame anyway dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them windows cornerstone dualpage driver wanted i am looking for a window 3 1 driver for cornerstone dualpage cornerstone technology inc video card does anybody know that has these is there one thanks for any info to nis to nis kelder estonian biocentre tkelder kask ebc ee guns bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks freed om of religion has absolutely nothing to do with building a small arsenal and grooming 10 year old children to be your wife ill come out as soon as i finish my manuscript on the seven seals oh ok david i agree that koresh was as much of a victim as a perpetrator this because he grew up inside the cult and engaged in a power struggle where his supporters helped inflate his ego that doesnt change the fact that he was a loose fucking cannon with a shitload of serious weapons or that he was banging thirteen year olds and twisting their impressionable little minds this was no move fuck up a helicoptor was thermal imaging the compound that afternoon and detected three fires erupting almost simultaneously there were no cs canisters a specially modified abrams was pupming the stuff in no chance of starting a fire there kerosene lamps maybe one but not three fires no way koresh wasnt just talking out of his ass i expected this to happen maybe they wanted it to look like murder he had 50 days i think this was coming the whole time he didnt even put the children in the buried bus or the underground bunker during the cs seige he put them up into the tower to die fuck all of you big brother paranoid freaks the only good thing to come of any of this is that there will be one less group of crazoids to attract some of the more rootless members of our society joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all tim in article 1993apr8 233443 22590 exu ericsson se exulox exu ericsson se lasse ohlsson t tdt 1129 writes in article 23250 cas org sdm24 cas org writes imho the dumbest thing we ever did in copying the japanese was moving the dimmer switch from the floor to the lever controlling the turn signal cruise the federal government has mandated that all passenger cars by model year 95 return to the floor mounted dimmer switch a study by the national highway traffic safety administration nhtsa has found that an unacceptable percentage of after dusk collisions were the direct result of unskilled drivers getting their left foot stuck in the steering wheel ron gaskins c23reg koptsw21 delcoelect com automotive electronic systems delco electronics gm hughes electronics kokomo in 46904 ron gaskins c23reg koptsw21 delcoelect com automotive electronic systems delco electronics gm hughes electronics kokomo in 46904 guns re guns gone good riddance in article 1993apr18 000152 2339 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes surrender your arms soon enough officers will be around to collect them resistance is useless they will overwhelm you one at a time are you certain you didnt mean to post to alt french captain borg borg borg youd better rush home i hear kruschev calling come to papa jrm gnv ifas ufl edu i am endeavoring maam to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins spock humble typesetter religion re kind loving merciful and forgiving god m23364 mwunix mitre org james meritt writes joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin writes m23364 mwunix mitre org james meritt writes a out of context must have missed when you said this about these other promises of god that we keep getting subjected to could you please explain why i am wrong and they are ok or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy both or neither so according to you jim the only way to criticize one person for taking a quote out of context without being a hypocrite is to post a response to every person on t r m who takes a quote out of context did i either ask or assert that or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again 1 stephen said you took a quote out of context 2 you noted that stephen had not replied to some other t r m article call it a that took a quote out of context 3 but the lack of evidence for x does not constitute evidence for the lack of x a common creationist error 4 so the fact that stephen did not reply to a does not justify the conclusion that stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in a 5 you asked stephen to explain why you were wrong and they were ok or to acknowledge that he was being a hypocrite 6 both of the choices you give stephen assume that he condoned taking quotes out of context in a 7 i assumed you were being logical and that the sentence that begins could you please explain was not a nonsequitur but was intended to follow from the sentence that preceded it 8 therefore i concluded that you believed that 2 implied that stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in a 9 but weve already seen that 2 does not imply this 10 therefore you were incorrect to believe that 2 implied that stephen thought it was okay to take quotes out of context in a and were making an error of a kind that is frequently made by creationists is that better jim its called an argument if you disagree with it explain why the argument is not sound i admit that my assumption in 7 may have been a bit hasty if you agree with it just say yup dj yup jims e mailed response when i pointed out in a posted article that one of his arguments was a straw man argument reminiscent of a frequent creationist ploy 3 22 93 cars re is car saftey important jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article 1r1jr9 m1v armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes tcorkum bnr ca trevor corkum writes i figure that 30mph collisions into brick walls arent common enough for me to spend that much extra money for protection but there are lots of low speed collisions that do worry me get into an 30 mph accident and you may reconsider ive been in one and it is really scarey my life is something i value more than a cars looks or handeling consider it insurance it may not happen often but when it does youll sure be glad you got a safe car granted the tests arent perfect but id much rather be in a car that did well in the test than a car that did horribly you raise a valid point but again its a tradeoff how much money do you want to spend for that kind of protection you could buy a volvo saab or benz and get really good crash protection and other luxuries but youll pay significantly more for it in my case its out of the question because all of those cars are beyond my budget even in high speed head on collisions the most beneficial item you can have is a good old 3 point seatbelt nowadays at least in the us you get an airbag if you get a 3 point belt so presumably you get an added safety benefit there as well thats something i certainly look for and which can be had in inexpensive cars my 02 of course jim frost jimf centerline com windows re how redirect print manager to file u7911093 cc nctu edu tw by swh writes who can tell me which program pd or shareware can redirect windows 3 1s output of printer manager to file i want to capture hp laser jet iiis print output though postscript can setup print to file but hp cant i use doss redirect program but they cant work in windows thankx for any help internet address u7911093 cc nctu edu tw english name erik wang chinese name wang jyh shyang national chiao tung university taiwan r o c try setting up another hpiii printer but when choosing what port to connect it to choose file instead of like lpt1 this will prompt you for a file name everytime you print with that hpiii on file printer good luck brian servis servis author ecn purdue edu it happened this way actual quotes from insurance claims what i say may not be what i think what i say may not be the pedestrian had no idea which what purdue thinks way to go so i ran him over cars re opel owners in article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca darren gibbons writes im looking for information on opel cars now you ask which model well the sad truth is im not entirely sure but its a two seater with roll over headlights hard top and really sporty looking my friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition body wise but he transmission has seized up on him so it hasnt run for a while does anyone have any info on these cars the engine compartment looks really tight to work on but it is in fine shape and i am quite interested in it thanks darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca this would be the manta would it not sold through buick dealers in the mid 70s as the price leader sounds a lot more like an opel gt to me id guess that this is on the same chassis as the kadett rather than the bigger manta but i could easily be wrong i think the later kadetts were sold here as buick opels craig chintan amin llama uiuc edu chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu bill green writes 1 could it have been possible to have taken koresh outside the compound at some time before the feb 28th raid yes the local sheriff stated that anytime he wanted to talk to koresh all he had to do was call him and koresh would come down one other point im no fan of janet reno but i do like the way she had the balls to go ahead and take full responsibility seems like the waffle boy had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue full agree with you here i think its ridiculous that he did not even talk to janet reno until sometime tuesday however he did talk with wendell hubbel so who really is the attorney general hopefully the investigation will answer some of these bizarre questions katie cars re what is the deal with blue book value of an auto in article c5w7or dex news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes newton convex com vicki newton writes i am in the process of buying a new auto i havent decided yet whether i should sell my current car myself or trade it in as part of the new auto purchase i know that the blue book value for the car is 2825 an acquaintence has offered to give me blue book value for the car i am just wondering if this is a standard measure for negotiating a resale price or if i can hope to get more money from someone else what exactly is blue book value based on i know that for its year 88 my car has low mileage 50 000 it is in excellent working condition but does have a few dings on the exterior nothing major do any of these facts alter the fair selling p rice of the car i am not looking to rip anyone off i just naturally want to get the best price for the car thanks a million veek i think the blue book is the nada handbook for used car prices no is the blue book value given the retail or wholesale value the blue book value isnt set in stone though low milage extra addons and stuff like that there can increase the resale price of the car you may want to head on over to the local library or borrow your friends blue book and read up on that sort of stuff i paid 400 under bb retail for my 87 civic in 1990 and it was in perfect condition and had only 14 5k miles on it the guy was desparate to sell new kid on the way etc but it was a good price remeber both you and the buyer if he has any sort of brains at all are using the blue book so you should pick a fair price chintan amin llama uiuc edu chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area a mileage chart should be available in the book it usually goes by the class of car you own and year usually you will end up adding a few hundred dollars to the retail price or subtracting it consumer reports also has a number you can call and get a quote for your area a friend of mine used it and was quite happy with the service i believe it cost about 10 00 joe baseball re young catchers in article 1993apr5 165122 19860 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward theodorus redsox fannus fischer writes sorry this doesnt fly the good players have always been ready for the majors early how many hofers were not contributing major leaguers by the time they were 22 that brings up an interesting point anyone else catch espns piece about prospects and the relationship between age career length mvps and hall of fame members it was part of their preseason special basically they looked at players that had amassed 1000 plate appearances or abs by the time they were 24 and noticed some interesting things for starters they found out such players comprised the majority of mvps in the history of the game they also found out such players represented the majority of the players in the hall of fame the kicker though was that they actually did some number crunching and found that such players careers lasted much longer than the careers of players not in that group they also found that these players produced at both a greater level of performance and produced over twice the raw totals hrs etc of the other players the first group outhit the second something like 282 to 260 in raw ba and blew away the second group in such categories as hrs 2bs rbis etc it was the most impressive thing ive seen on espn in recent memory i guess ray knight makes his rebuttal tonight dave hung like a jim acker slider kirsch blue jays do it again in 93 kirsch staff tc umn edu new quotes out of context not to beat a dead horse but its been a couple o weeks this disappoints me punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence baseball re pleasant yankee surprises in article 120399 netnews upenn edu sepinwal mail sas upenn edu alan sepinwall writes thanks alan that was well thought out even written in an entertaining style baseball re info needed for cleveland tickets in article 1993apr1 234031 4950 leland stanford edu bohnert leland stanford edu matthew bohnert writes im going to be in cleveland thursday april 15 to sunday april 18 does anybody know if the tribe will be in town on those dates and if so whore they playing and if tickets are available the tribe will be in town from april 16 to the 19th there are always tickets available though they are playing toronto and many toronto fans make the trip to cleveland as it is easier to get tickets in cleveland than in toronto either way i seriously doubt they will sell out until the end of the season doug bank private systems division dougb ecs comm mot com motorola communications sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg illinois dougb casbah acns nwu edu 708 576 8207 cars re license plates in article anl ollie solbourne com guerra solbourne com edi guerra writes i would like to know if anyone still has a copy of the list of license plates that were posted some time ago regarding special names and sayings thxs edig me too markus guns re lavishly funded gun epidemic propaganda campaign to commence in article c4txek fcq magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes morris the cat rats cbnewsc cb att com wrote well as neal knox of the firearms coalition points out the full force of the anti gun ruling class their multi millions their polling organizations their schools their news media their entertainment media the entertainment media a force of the anti gun ruling class is this the same media thats made billions producing films and television that glorify guns and gun users or is that another anti gun media youve got to be kidding by this do you mean that you consider it absolutely impossible for the media to be guilty of hypocrisy note that the film industry in california traded their political support for an assault weapon ban in the state for an amendment to the bill exempting the entertainment industry from that very ban note that the very issue of the batman comic book seduction of the gun that was produced as a tool for gun control organizations carries a back page ad for a terminator ii video game extolling the numerous and varied sophisticated weapons available to the player note that arthur ochs sulzberger publisher of the ny times one of the oldest and most incessant gun control grinders himself carries a concealed handgun still you find it completely incredible that these folks live by the aphorism do as i say and not as i do cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars re the kuebelwagen in article c5k5co f09 mentor cc purdue edu thwang mentor cc purdue edu tommy hwang writes sorry for the mis spelling but i forgot how to spell it after my series of exams and no on hand reference here is it still possible to get those cute wwii vw jeep wanna bes a replica would be great i think tkh 93 the vw thing kubelwagen lookalike is still manufactured in mexico and possibly south america good luck importing one they probably dont meet us safety and pollution requirements there are mechanics and junkyards which specialize in vw they might be helpful for finding a thing unless the wwii re enacters have grabbed them all the wwii kubelwagen was the german equivalent of the jeep but was not 4 wheel drive one is on display at the patton museum at fort knox kentucky also the rare schwimwagen sp amphibious version in full scale dioramas highly recommended frank reid ucs indiana edu windows re roman bmp 01 14in response to the requests for cool bitmaps i am posting one hello cliff many people on the internet like us have to pay for every byte of data passed through subscribed news groups bitmaps are large bitmaps cost us a lot of money there are special news groups for bitmaps because of this we dont subscribe to them put you bitmaps in the right place read one of the faq guides in the newuser groups and it will tell you all about bitmaps and the thousands of establishments like mine that you have just cost money some of them have very limited budgets go away p s this is a flame p p s you distribution of usa didnt work kenb ken blackler kb jet uk 44 235 464743 fusion jet joint undertaking abingdon energy for the oxfordshire england ox14 3ea far future disclaimer please note that the above is a personal view and should not be construed as an official comment from the jet project medicine pregnency without sex when i was a school boy my biology teacher told us of an incident in which a couple were very passionate without actually having sexual intercourse somehow the girl became pregnent as sperm cells made their way to her through the clothes via persperation was my biology teacher misinforming us or do such incidents actually occur stephen cars honda mailing list is there a honda mailing list and if so how do i subscribe to it windows re more cool bmp files i downloaded the compuserve gif of the month a raytraced image of a golf ball next to a hole very nice 640x480x256 bitmap easily converted to a windows bmp if anyone wants i could upload a copy on cica please do and let us know specifics lest im the only one on this mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd baseball re ugliest swing ugliest swing i am not sure i think the ugliset stance is jolio franco of the ranger i wonder how that bat comes around in time to hit the ball it looks bad but hey it get the job done tac medicine re nih offers exploratory grants for alternative medicine in article 1993apr9 172945 4578 island com green island com robert greenstein writes in article 19493 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes one problem is very few scientists are interested in alternative medicine so gordon why do you think this is so probably because most of them come packaged with some absurd theory behind them e g homoeopathy like cures like the more you dilute things the more powerful they get even if you dilute them so much there is no ingredient but water left chiropractic all illness stems from compressions of nerves by misaligned vertebrae such systems are so patently absurd that any good they do is accidental and not related to the theory the only exception is probably herbalism because scientists recognize the potent drugs that derive from plants and are always interested in seeing if they can find new plants that have active and useful substances but that isnt what is meant by alternative medicine usually if you get into the qi accupuntunce charts etc you are now back to silly theories that probably have nothing to do with why accupuncture works in some cases perhaps another reason they are reluctant is the rhine experience rhine was a scientist who wanted to investigate the paranormal and his lab was filled with so much chacanery and fakery that people dont want to be associated with that sort of thing gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars re plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences in article 1qofeainnn7h shelley u washington edu gaia carson u washington edu i we are gaia writes just stopped putting money into it i must have put at least 5000 7000 worth of repairs over its lifetime i am sorry but lee iacocca can bite me bullshit whoever backs em best is just afraid the stupid things area the part about spending 5000 7000 on repairs reminds me of an article i read in a magazine comparing the 5 year ownership costs of a toyota camry and a ford taurus or something like that the result which they announced with great flourish was that it cost the same at the end of the period that was their argument to prove that you dont go wrong buying the ford taurus over the camry now if i remember correctly the camry costs about 4000 or so more in initial costs essentially it means that you spend about 4000 extra on repairs on the taurus that is ridiculous every time your car needs repairs it is extra hassles loss of time and a dozen other things i would much rather spend 5000 more in initial costs than spend 4000 more in repair costs 8 cut here for signature 8 balaji ramanathan institute of transportation studies i dont believe in luck university of california irvine i rely on it guns re fbi directors statement on waco standoff feustel netcom com david feustel writes we have no evidence that batf fbi would not have started shooting when and if people had started coming out of the burning building oh how about the press if the batf fbi were going to shoot people leaving a burning building dont you think they would get rid of the press first tim smith religion re freemasonry and the southern baptist convention in article 1qv82l oj2 usenet ins cwru edu ch981 cleveland freenet edu tony alicea writes with the southern baptist convention convening this june to consider the charges that freemasonry is incompatible with christianity i thought the following quotes by mr james holly the anti masonic flag carrier would amuse you all munch i hope you all had a good laugh i know i did g it would be funny if it wasnt so damn nasty and as non xian as i am its hard to believe that someone is pushing black is white and freedom is slavery so blatantly mark cars re most bang for 13k in article 23056 74 uupcb cutting hou tx us david bonds cutting hou tx us da vid bonds writes in rec autos cpkjp vm cc latech edu kevin parker writes id like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the 13000 to 16 000 price range im looking for a car with enough civility to be driven every day or even on long trips but when i hit the gas i want to fee l take a look at a 91 taurus sho they can be found for 13k and are the ultimate in 4 door sports cars performance similar to a mustang but quite civil and comfortable try to get a late model 91 for the better shifter the cutting edge bbs cutting hou tx us a pcboard 14 5a system houston texas usa 1 713 466 1525 running uupcb well you could always go with a 5 0 mustang lx with a pleasant v8 but the diamond star cars talon eclipse laser put out 190 hp in the turbo models and 195 hp in the awd turbo models these cars also have handling to match the muscle and are civil in regular driving conditions rather than having a harsh stiff ride the awd turbo is clearly the better choice of the two because of all that torque steer on the front drive model but you may have to go with a leftover or slightly used model for that price range tough decision rob fusi rwf2 lehigh edu cars rec autos frequently asked questions archive name rec autos part4 this article is one of a pair of articles containing commonly asked automotive questions the other article contains questions of general consumer interest and is broken out to facilitate crossposting to misc consumers rpw last change 8 february 1993 ct now permits radar detector usage new tire traction q a rpw commonly asked questions radar questions q where are radar detectors illegal a in the us currently virgina and the district of columbia prohibit all usage of radar detectors new york prohibits their use in large trucks in canada they are illegal in manitoba ontario quebec newfoundland and pei prince edward island they are apparently are illegal through most if not all of europe legislation which would make them illegal is pending in many other jurisdictions chances of such legislation passing varies a great deal q where are radar detector detectors used do they really work a usage is spreading rapidly initially they were used only in canada but now they are appearing in new york and virginia it is unsafe to assume that they are not in use in connecticut and d c they work by detecting a certain frequency radiated by many currently available super het radar detectors some brands of detector radiate more strongly than others and are thus more likely to be spotted new radar detectors are becoming available which may not be detected by the current generation of detector detectors note that a detector may only be spotted by one of these devices if it is turned on q what is vascar is it some kind of radar a vascar is nothing more than a fancy stopwatch and time speed distance computer it depends on the operator pressing buttons as the target vehicle passes landmarks no radar signals are emitted by a vascar system q what is ka band radar where is it used should a radar detector be able to handle it a ka band has recently been made available by the fcc for use in the us in so called photo radar installations in these installations a low powered beam is aimed across the road at a 45 degree angle to the direction of traffic and a picture is taken of vehicles which the radar unit determines to have been in violation of the speed limit tickets are mailed to the owner of the vehicle because of the low power and the 45 degree angle many people believe that a radar detector cannot give reasonable warning of a ka band radar unit although some manufacturers of radar detectors have added such capability anyway the number of locales where photo radar is in use is limited and some question the legality of such units best advice learn what photo radar units look like and keep track of where they are used or else dont speed q do radar jammers work are they legal a quick answer no and not in the usa detailed answer cheap radar jammers do not work well at all jammers that work are expensive and usually the property of the military jammers are a major violation of the regulations of the federal communications commission of the usa driving technique and vehicle dynamics questions q what are understeer and oversteer a understeer and oversteer are terms describing the behaviour of a car while cornering near the limit limit of adhesion that is most drivers do not normally drive hard enough for these terms to be descriptive of the situations they encounter simply put they tell whether the car wants to go straight in a corner steer less or understeer or it wants to turn more in a corner oversteer understeer is commonly designed into most production cars so that untrained drivers inadvertantly traveling too fast wont get into trouble understeer may also be induced by using too much throttle in a corner oversteer is designed into some more performance oriented cars it may be induced by lifting on the throttle trailing throttle oversteer or tto in extreme cases lifting on the throttle may induce so much oversteer that the car reacts by fishtailing or spinning some technical details in a corner at speed the tires on the car will develop what are called slip angles the slip angle is the angular difference between the direction that the car is traveling and the direction that the steering wheel is directing the car to travel in understeer the front wheels have a greater slip angle than the rear wheels in oversteer the rear wheels have a greater slip angle than the front wheels q what is a rev matched downshift a when downshifting the engine must be rotating faster in the lower gear than it was in the higher gear however during a downshift normally you declutch and lift your foot from the throttle so the revs drop rather than increase in rev matched downshift you blip the throttle before re engaging the clutch so that the engine will already be up to the new speed this results in a much smoother and faster downshift q what does heel and toe mean a heel and toe is a technique used to do a rev matched downshift while braking this is normally challenging because you need the right foot for both the brake and throttle it is called heel and toe because you use one end of the foot on the brake and the other on the throttle to match revs for the downshift in many modern cars this is a misnomer often you must use the ball of the foot on the brake and the right side on the throttle note that some race car drivers will skip the clutch and just use the left foot on the brake and the right foot on the throttle accomplishing the same thing q what is double clutch downshifting a while your right foot is doing the above your left foot can do one of three things nothing declutch once or declutch twice the reason for declutching twice is to match the speeds of the two shafts in the transmission to the speed of the engine this is usually coupled with rev matching so that while the engine is in neutral and the clutch engaged the throttle is blipped and both shafts of the transmission speed up the procedure is as follows 0 declutch 1 move gearshift lever to neutral 2 engage clutch 3 match revs 4 declutch 5 move gearshift lever to next lower gear 6 engage clutch this sounds like a lot of work but with practice it becomes natural the problem that double clutching solves is normally the function of the synchronizers within the gearbox in transmissions without synchros or with very worn synchros double clutching makes it much easier to shift basically if you double clutch well you are not using the synchros at all this is generally unnecessary on street cars with synchros in good condition q what do the numbers for acceleration from 0 60 1 4 mile skidpad and slalom times in the auto magazines really mean may they be compared a in short 1 not as much as the magazines want you to believe and 2 almost never in more detail the acceleration numbers 0 60mph and 1 4 mile times in the us may be vaguely compared as long as they all come from the same source testing procedures vary so much from magazine to magazine that comparing a road track number to a car driver number is quite pointless keep in mind too that the same variation applies from driver to driver on the street the driver is a major often the major part of the equation skidpads vary and even if they didnt skidpad figures are really only tests of the stickiness of the stock tires they change radically when tire compounds change do not make any assumptions about the comparative handling of say two sports sedans based on skidpad numbers this is not to suggest that skidpads are without value however skidpads are an excellent educational tool at driving schools they are simply of limited value in the comparison of anything except tires slalom times are slightly more useful they test some small parts of the automobiles transient response however they are also heavily influenced by the stock rubber on the car and they do not test many corners of the cars envelope they do not tell you all you need to know before making a buying decision for example they dont tell you what the rear end of the car will do on a road which suddenly goes off camber when a car has an adjustable suspension these tests are usually done in the sport setting which may be quite unsuitable for daily driving the list of caveats could go on for page after page q my buddy claims that wide tires dont make any difference according to his freshman physics textbook and that you cant ever accelerate or corner at more than 1 0g does he know what hes talking about a 1 in short he hasnt got a clue 2 in more detail the equations for friction used in freshman physics textbooks presume that the surfaces are smooth dry and non deformable none of which properly apply to tire traction except in the case of a stone cold tire on dry pavement which is far below its proper operating temperature pavement is never smooth it is always irregular to a greater or lesser extent tires which are not really dry and solid as rubber is a substance which in its natural form is liquid and which has only been coerced into a semblance of solidity by chemical magic deform to match the surface of the pavement which a vehicle is traveling over in a tire at operating temperature grip is actually generated by shear stresses inside the deformed rubber and not by anything even remotely resembling friction in the freshman physics sense of the term the colder a tire is relative to its operating temperature the closer its behaviour will be to the traditional concept of friction if much hotter than the its proper operating temperature the more likely the possibility of some part of the tire actually reverting to liquid which is mostly like to happen deep in the tread causing characteristic blisters and chunking this latter though is almost completely unlikely to happen in normal street driving so unless youre a competition driver or do a lot of high speed track driving dont worry about it because tire traction is completely out of the domain of simple friction it does not obey the freshman physics equation at all thus dragsters accelerate at more than 1 0g and race cars corner and brake at more than 1 0g because simple friction does not apply it is actually possible for different sized contact patches to generate differing amounts of grip an actual analysis of tire behavior would require techniques such as finite element analysis due to the complexity of the mechanism misc questions q what does name or acronym stand for a here is a list of some of the names which are commonly asked about be careful in soliciting the meanings of other names as misinformation abounds on the net in particular never ask in rec humor if you want a useful result saab svenska aeroplan a b or the swedish airplane corporation alfa societa anonima lombarda fabbrica automobili or the lombardy automobile manufacturing company fiat fabbrica italiana di automobili torino or the italian automobile manufacturers of turin bmw bayerische motoren werke or bavarian motor works mg morris garage q does vw own porsche a no porsche is a publicly held company controlled by the porsche and piech families porsche has extensive business dealings with vw audi which causes some confusion since currently porsche is in some financial difficulty there is a possibility that mercedes or vw may be interested in purchasing the company in the near future but this is only speculation at this time richard welty 518 393 7228 welty cabot balltown cma com nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis carroll smith religion re is it good that jesus died jesus this is the verdict light has come into the world but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds are evil everyone who does evil hates the light and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed kent sandvik says it seems we are dealing with a black and white interpretation brian are you subtly accusing me of evil things because i never saw the light however this is even more confusing because i even admit that i dont like the situation where im not informed black and white a spade is a spade there is no hidden agenda behind this so stop trying to look for one it is an easy and as straight forward as it reads kent i am not accusing you of evil things jesus is accusing you and it is not only you that he is accusing he is accusing everyone me you and everyone in the world is guilty whether one sees the light or does not seen the light has nothing to do with whether we do evil things we do them regardless jesus uses the word men i am included jesus is not soloing you out jesus is making a general statement about out the sad state of man christians are not immuned from doing evil things a christian is just a person in whom the holy spirit indwells a christian can see the evil he is doing because his evil has been brought out into the light jesus is not saying that just because evil has been exposed that the christian will stop doing evil if you havent seen jesuss light your evil deeds simply havent been exposed to the his light you may shed some light on your own your human spirit shines at perhaps 1 candela but the holy spirit shines at a megacandela the holy spirit can shine light into places inside us where we didnt even know existed so do you see jesuss point christians are not perfect nonchristians are not perfect nonchristians do not want to come into the light of jesus because they will see all the problems in their lives and they will not like the sight it is an ugly thing to see how far we have fallen from jesuss perspective do you think you want to know how really ignorant you are do you think brian kendig wants to know do you think i want to know ego verses the truth which do you choose im watching the news about a man who saw the light and made sure that the 19 children burned to death as part of his insight into the light i dont think the world is that simple and if you act in such ways when you are enlighted then im a happy man and i pray i will never receive such light and i watched koresh too an imposter who thought he saw the light who made sure that the 19 children burned to death sadly as part of his delusion it is even sadder that the people who died with him chose to die with them and that ignorance was their downfall to death and kent dont you bury yourself underneath a rock with an excuse like bringing up koresh as if koresh actually had truth in him david koresh was no light and no excuse for you to stay away from the real jesus christ david koresh who claimed to be jesus was a fraud it was obvious david koresh was born in america jesus was born in bethlehem koresh wasnt even a good imposter having missed an obvious point as that jesus warned of such imposters in the end times david koresh wasnt anything new to jesus jesus told us to be aware of imposters 2000 years ago so the next time an imposter makes a scene and claims to be jesus ask the obvious where were you born was your mothers name mary if the branch davidians asked that simple question they would have labeled koresh a liar right from the start the wouldnt have followed koresh they wouldnt have died but look what happened their ignorance cost them their lives their choice to be ignorant cost them a lot kent since you studied the bible under lutheranism do you not remember what tactic satan used to try to tempt jesus did not satan quote the bible out of context do you remember what tactic the serpent of genesis used to tempt eve did he not misquote god what satan used on eve and succeeded was the same ploy he tried on jesus but in jesuss case jesus rebuked satan back with the bible in context it didnt work with jesus does what satan did to eve in the garden and what satan tried to do with jesus in the desert remind you of what koresh did to his followers who did koresh emulate who was koreshs teacher koresh did to his followers what satan did to eve did not koresh kill his followersr did not satan cause adam and eve to die as well did not the cult followers believe koresh even though they knew the real christ was born in bethlehem did not eve choose to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil despite knowing that it would cause her death god held them all responsible deceiver and the rebeller none of them had an excuse as opposed to the branch davidians we have a second chance follow jesus and he will escort us to the path of eternal life dont follow jesus and you stand condemned already for like the branch davidian complex your house is already on fire satan adam and eve have already set it ablaze it is just a slow burn but it is burning nevertheless medicine re pregnency without sex in article 1993apr27 182155 23426 oswego oswego edu matthews oswego oswego edu harry matthews writes all right listen up what are the possibilities of transmission through swimming pool water especially if the chlorination isnt up to par ive heard of community swimming pools refered to as public urinals so what else is going on but the sperm would be very diluted in a x gallon swimming pool j e n n i f e r s c h e i b e r email scheiber sage cc purdue edu school of nursing purdue university guns re my gun is like my american express card in 1r3efjinn3jj gap caltech edu arc cco caltech edu writes thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes i also believe texas has some of the most liberal gun laws in usa in texas you cannot carry a handgun period either concealed or open currently there is a bill before the texas legislature that would make it legal for some ordinary folks to carry concealed weapons i dont have the details sorry semper fi jammer jim miller texas a m university 89 and 91 i dont speak for uh which is too bad because they could use the help become one with the student billing system be the student billing system power finds its way to those who take a stand stand up ordinary man rik emmet gil moore mike levine triumph baseball re dave kingman for the hall of fame in article 1993apr16 011653 7403 princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig writes as for ryan is his w l better than morris thats what a lot of voters tend to look at and morris was awfully good for a decade and doesnt lead mlb history in walks allowed either despite walks and loses ryan deserves to be in the hall of fame imho based only on his ho hitters the strike out records are an extra what do people think about andre 400 hr dawson for the hof name ken kubey or qb reading editing or printing of this text address kubey sgi com without the express written consent of disclaimer the usual major league baseball is prohibited windows re re win nt what is it in article 16apr93 02170289 vax clarku edu rmohns vax clarku edu says in a previous article alanchem csd4 csd uwm edu alan scott olson wrote two part question 1 what is windows nt a real windows os 2 this past weekend a local hacker radio show metioned a new product from microsoft called chicago if i recall anyone know what this is that is it thanks a heap alan windows nt is a giant windows operating system unline win3 1 it does not run on top of dos it is its own os with billy gates assures us true multi tasking multithreading meets dod security specs will run win3 1 programs as well as dos programs has multi processor support and is primarily a server program its overhead is too high for it to be economical for most users it also runs os 2 character based apps and posix apps the dos 16bit and 32 bit windows apps run in a windows 32 bit subsystem if you consider the fact that nt has the lanman redirectors built in support for tcp ip built in support for netbeui comes with tcp utils like ping and an ftp client etc applications like schedule and a 32 bit version of msmail the storage argument isnt an issue speaking of overhead it requires at least a 386 with 16 megs of ram it iwll run with 12 but thats like running os 2 2 0 with 4 megs and thats just to run it also i have heard that the system files take up 30 50 megs and it is recommended that your drive be a half gig the skd is distributed on cd rom i ran it on a 486 with 8mram and it did a ton of disk swapping with a 19m virtual memory paging file it functioned but it crawled this was the oct build i upgraded the machine to 16m and the performance is good at that point i installed the march build consider they are probably still working on the feature set and havent done a lot of fine tuning to the code yet chicogo is what i want to use it is like nt a true os with thrue multitasking and multithreading but has much smaller hardware requirements and does not meet dod security specs but thats okay since it will probably be more of a client os there are a few otehr differences but those are the main ones there was an article about chicogo in pc week last august the chicogo and nt development groups at micro oft are in intense competition so it is said however i think a different relationship will arise nt will be the server n etowrk t echonology chicogo will be the client machine it is entirely possible for different oss to work together partly because chicogo is just a small nt think of it that way anyway novell netware creates an os on the server that is truly not dos so dont scorn the concept anyway dont expect it soon windows 4 and dos 7 are supposed to be released next year read see it in 95 so i expect that chicogo wont be out til 96 i have little info on chicago so i cant make a comparison is it in beta is there anyone out there who has tested both and cares to make a comparison just my 0 02 aln medicine re pregnency without sex i heard a great civil war story a guy on the battlfield is shot in the groin the bullet continues on its path and lodges in the abdomen of a female spectator lo and behold as the legend goes both parents survived married and raised the child death taxes math jazz wean hall bathroom graffiti gabriel underwood gabe cmu edu windows how redirect print manager to file hello who can tell me where can i find the pd or shareware which can capture windows 3 1s output of printer mananger i want to capture the output of hp laser jet iii though the postscript can setup to print to file but hp cant i try doss redirect program but they cant work in windows 3 1 thankx for any help internet address u7911093 cc nctu edu tw english name erik wang chinese name wang jyh shyang national chiao tung university taiwan r o c cars re houston auto insurance in article 1993apr22 045328 630 cheshire oxy edu colello cheshire oxy edu robert colello writes hello i am moving to houston to go to rice university for graduate school i will be living on the corner of s mian and university blvd i was wondering what kind of liability rates to expect here is the relevent info sex male age 23 status single commute none walking car 1982 ford crown victoria 4 door if anyone can check the above info or is in a similar situation please e mail me the rates they find out or pay thanks for your help in advance colello delphi com colello cheshire oxy edu my suggestion look at your current insurance card there will be a name accross the top telling you which insurance company you are insured by call information in houston and get the number of a branch office in the houston area call the insurance company your rates will vary depending on the amount of coverage you want do you want to carry comp and collision probably not on an 82 what your driving record is you mentioned none of these things in your posting so how can anyone give you accurate information like i said pick up the phone and make a few calls it wont kill you jeff medicine re adult chicken pox in article c5pm3o bdo feenix metronet com marcbg feenix metronet com marc grant writes all over my bod at what point am i no longer infectious my physicians office says when they are all scabbed over is this true yes is there any medications which can promote healing of the pox speed up healing acyclovir started in the first 1 2 days probably speeds recovery and decreases the formation of new pox david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr15 190711 22190 walter bellcore com jchen ctt bellcore com writes the funny thing is the personaly stories about reactions to msg vary so greatly some said that their heart beat speeded up with flush face some claim their heart skipped beats once in a while both of these symptoms are related tachycardia getting a flushed face is due to the heart pumping the blood faster than a regular pulse i suspect this is related to an increase in sodium levels in the blood since note sodium chloride monosodium glutamate both are sodium compounds our bodies require sodium but like everything else one can get too much of a good thing some reacted with headache again this could be related to increased blood flow from increased heart rate from the sodium in the msg distended crainial arteries essentially one of many causes of headaches there is no discrepency her necessarily some stomach ache well stomache ache and vomiting tend to be related again not necessarily a discrepency more likely a related reaction vomiting occurs as a response to get rid of a noxious compound an organism has eaten if a person cant digest the stuff entirely possible the list of stuff people are allergic to is quite long and lacks an enzyme to break it down gastrointestinal distress stomach or belly ache would be expected some had watery eyes or running nose these are respiratory reactions and are now considered to be similar to vomitting they are a way for the body to dispose of noxious compounds they are adaptiove responses of course it is possible some other food or environmental compound could be responsible for the symptoms but its important to remember that a lot opf these effets can be additive synergystic subtractive etc etc it would be necessary to know exactly what was in a dish and what else the person was exposed to respiratory does sound suspicious but resopiration and heart rate are connected things in the body are far from simple very inetractive place the vertebrate body some had itchy skin or rashes people respond in a myriad of ways to the same compound it depends upon what it is about the compound that pisses off their body pollen for example of some plants aggrivates breathing in many people because when inhaled it sets of the immune system and an histamine attack is launched the immune system goes overboard causing the allergic person a lot of misery and someone with an allergy to some pollens will have trouble with some herb teas that contain pollens chamomile linden etc drinking the substance can perturb that persons system as much as inhaling it more serious accusations include respiration difficulty see above and dont think that heart rate changes and circulatory problems are not serious they can be deadly and brain damage the area of the brain effected is the neuroendocrine system controlling the release of gonadotropin the supra hormone controlling the cyclical release of testosterone and estradiol as well as somatostatin and other steroids testing for effective dose would be uh a wee bit unethical now here is a new one vomiting my guess is that msg becomes the number one suspect of any problem in this case it might be just food poisoning absolutely but it could also be some synergystic mess from eating say undetected shrimp or mushrooms to which many are allergic plus too much alcohol and inhaling too much diesel fumes biking home plus lets say having contracted flu from ones sig other 3 days before from drinking out of the same glass could be all sorts of things but it might be the msg if you heard things about msg you may think it must be it if noone else got sick its likely not food poisoning probably stomach flu or an undetected thing the guys allergic to anyway the human bodys not a machine people vary widely in their responses and a lot of reactions are due to combinations of things dianne murray wcsbeau ccs carleton ca windows any updated canon bj 200 driver hi can anyone tell me where i can get a copy of updated canon bj 200 printer driver for windows 3 1 if any i have ver 1 0 which comes with my bj 200 printer i just wonder if there is any newer version thanks very much please email cars re last of the v 8 interceptors mad max tony i believe first of all that maxs car is an austrailian built car i dont think its a chopped up u s unit it may be called a kangaroo or roo or something similar not sure but i do recall reading that austrailian cars used ford v 8 engines the ford v 8 interceptor is i think a 428 c i cop car motor whatever the case that small car with a screaming big block ford 428 would probably smoke the tires for miles kilometers i hope someone out there can elaborate on the subject smoke em hard smoke em fast later david hertrich 68 lincoln continental 460c i baseball re evil smile on my face as cubs beat braves boy hats off to any cubs fan who can actually muster up the courage to put down braves fans i mean all the braves have done is gone to two consecutive world series also being the cubs fan that i am i really have to hand it to all the braves fans out there that are capable of driving me crazy with that infernal cheer that they have however i do have to protest anyone saying that all cubs fans are stupid the way i see it either im just too stupid to acknowledge it or that observation was just plain wrong you might have us confused with bear fans anyway about a two weeks ago just about everyone was saying that the cubs would finish up last in their division even behind florida sheesh these same people were predicting the braves to clean up in their respective division well were ten games into the season and these people are a little less vocal now i wonder why well the way i see it the east is up for grabs and whoever wants it most is going to take it with the exception of florida every team seems to have good batting and pitching with philly presently leading the pack but i just have to point out if the cubs do take the east theyll do it without the benefit of a competent manager however and it pains me to say it the pennant is going to go to the west just had to get that off my chest doc bem benefit of a compee baseball re time of game in article 1993apr21 024643 5135 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes the reason im unhappy with the length of games today is summed up above for an extra 15 minutes game average in the al and an extra 11 minutes average in the nl im seeing fewer runs score now what i think i am seeing is more pitches more strikeouts over 1 game in the al over 6 game more in the nl more walks 2 game more in yep and the ks dont have to denote a slow game either last night sid fernandez was mowing the giants hitters down 14 ks in 8 innings yet the first 7 1 2 innings of the game were quite brisk he also threw 119 pitches leading me to believe it isnt just the number of pitches that determines the length of a game but the behavior between pitches michael zimmers voice 408 996 1965 softhelp suppliers to software developers data 408 996 1974 medicine re accupuncture and aids aliceb tea4two eng sun com alice taylor writes a friend of mine is seeing an acupuncturist and wants to know if there is any danger of getting aids from the needles ask the practitioner whether he uses the pre sterilized disposable needles or if he reuses needles sterilizing them between use in the former case theres no conceivable way to get aids from the needles in the latter case its highly unlikely though many practitioners use the disposable variety anyway euclid euclid k standard disclaimers apply it is a bit ironic that we need the wave model of light to understand the propagation of light only through that part of the system where it leaves no trace hudson nelson university physics cars re saturn 91 92 manual transmission problem in article ka6 crdnns crd ge com cimjfg sn370 utica ge com writes after many trips to the dealer who has admittedly been patient with me they are admittedly going to do nothing about it the dealer did however follow the bulletin and review proper shifing procedures with the owner my next attempt at satisfaction in the customer 800 number but from the first round it doesnt sound too hopeful im surprised i know of a local case where a guy took his saturn back five times to complain they hadnt properly eliminated a rattling noise so saturn gave him a new car call that 1 800 number religion re question for those with popular morality hudson and from a materialistic point of view it could be said that the nervous system is just matter what is wrong with producing chemical reactions in matter because this matter is different it is alive and self aware and it feels pain hudson if all morality were relative big hairy deal as i said you appear to be the only person saying that all morality is relative most people i know do hold some absolutes in their moral system i personally believe that the dignity of the individual and the right of free will are absolutes i recognize that there are some moral systems around which dont accept this i reject them as dangerous and anti social nazism some forms of communism fundamentalist xtianity no thats not a slam but for the most part almost every moral system agrees on these two points me and the sky and everything in it everything that was created came out of god everything including this matter is part of god therefore is it wrong to put parts of god in a test tube and make it go through reactions isnt that a form of blasphemy hudson generally christians believe in a creator creation distinction other religions believe in one big whole i dont accept yor premises too bad i know im right so i get to enforce my view upon you whether you like my premise or not and since you cant prove otherwise there isnt even an intellectual basis for your resistance to accepting my viewpoint hudson how long will it be before the as long as it doesnt hurt someone else becomes more and more relative until the only rule that is left is i will do what i want to do no matter who it hurts theres a big jump between those two positions and you know it very well dont play stupid i realize that youre trying to dispute what you call popular morality by using what you think is logic but youre stretching this a bit too thin hudson i dont think so once morality becomes relative it degenerates i am saying that reasoning that it is generally evil to hurt other people is bad though i dont think it is sufficient well then answer me this you seem to be opposed to moral relativism as you call it because it has the capacity to degenerate obviously then you would advocate a nonrelative absolute moral system whose absolutist moral system do we choose how do we come to this decision what about people who disagree with the chosen moral system hudson but if morality is considered to be relative and this rule isnt based on anything but is just an arbitrary rule people might abandon it fine i can agree with most of what you typed here however just because morality gets based on something nonrelative does not mean that we have to pick your xtianity as its base we can start a morality based on dignity of humans freedom of choice tolerance etc and never ever rely on xtianity for anything just because someone has a consistent moral system based on true principles does not mean that they have to involve xtianity in it xtianity certainly does not have a monopoly on principles of behavior indeed fewer religions are guiltier of violating their own principles religion re christian meta ethics i wrote and who is to say that this interpretation is twisted there are many passages in the bible that in their most straightforward reading show the christian god behaving in just this way in article 1r622c c17 cass ma02 bull com ddavis cass ma02 bull com dave davis writes this requires the assumption that all interpretations are equally valid that there is no way of reasonably distinguishing among them i wouldnt make that assumption i dont think it is a reasonable assumption no it follows from the fact that most christians choice of interpretation stems from a mix of beliefs that are influenced by the secular ethics of their culture and that are not fully determined by scripture whether or not there is some right interpretation matters not few christians claim the ability to read the mind of their god dave davis should note that it was michael who first stated the importance of secular and cultural influence in this thread i think michael is right in this but regardless it should be noted that this has not been a point of contention between michael and myself i have argued beyond michaels claims that the christian scriptures are open to so many interpretations including a wide divergence within the christian tradition that even their most important themes are vague again it does not matter that there is some right interpretation unless there is a way to determine what that right interpretation is it is the lack of an objective measure not the presumed lack of an answer that puts the force behind the line i argue michael and i and others read the bible with christian glasses among the things that this should imply is that the nt informs the ot even to the point of dominanting it some points in the ot ceremonial dietary laws are explicitly abrogated by the nt texts there are enough christian glasses varying over a sufficiently broad range of color that i can find a few that support my example no michael the conservative christians also take the gospel seriously what differentiates you is the way you interpret the gospel russell turpins no here is misplaced not to say inappropriate michaels self description must govern the equation of radical liberal which seems implied by russell turpin is wrong in my opinion what makes michael radical is that he fully acknowledges that christian scripture and tradition fail to determine the doctrines that so many branches within christianity hold dear he is willing to live and practice his religion within this indeterminacy and he is willing to acknowledge that much of his understanding of things christian is influenced by ideas that are not purely christian those christians i have called conservative must also interpret but they do not recognize or at least are unwilling to admit the extent and importance of this russell turpin in an earlier post had said that michael michaels theological positions actually didnt tell him much about christianity dean simeon responds this time gently what do you mean more direct perhaps would have been what could you possibly mean the implied rhetorical effort to separate michael from the tradition is a failure michael is in the tradition if your idea of the tradition doesnt include him change your idea of the tradition i recognize that michael is part of the tradition but what does it tell one about a tradition covering origen aquinas jerry fallwell and jesse jackson that it also includes michael siemon not very much in short it is the extra christian principles that make michaels christianity beneficial and i suspect they would be as beneficial perhaps moreso without being filtered by christian interpretation this conclusion does not follow even in short from the argument that goes before a surprising logical ellipsis i think the conclusion does follow the purely christian principles that michael has are the ones he shares with others in the christian tradition or that can be derived from christian scripture these necessarily vague are not enough to drive his political stances that one should love ones neighbor is a purely christian principle that this means showing tolerance for homosexuality is not as to these political stances they are often at odds with what is commonly held in most of current christendom and so i suspect they could be better pressed outside it on the other hand i can well understand the counterpoint that these political stances become most influential when presented to those who need them most this is a theological statement worthy of barth dr turpin dd may wear the black robe of geneva yet having barely survived the effort to finish in computer science i doubt i will attempt a more difficult field any time soon russell medicine re diet for crohns ibd in article 1r6g8finne88 ceti cs unc edu jge cs unc edu john eyles writes a friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of crohns disease but she cant seem to eat certain foods such as fresh vegetables without discomfort and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence her question is are there any nutritionists who specialize in the problems of people with crohns disease i saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric thanks in advance john eyles all your friend really has to do is find a registered dietician rd while most work in hospitals and clinics many major cities will have rds who are in private practice so to speak many physicans will refer their patients with crohns disease to rds for dietary help if you can get your friends physician to make a referral medical insurance should pay for the rds services just like the services of a physical therapist the better medical insurance plans will cover this but even if your friends plan doesnt it would be well worth the cost to get on a good diet to control the intestinal discomfort and help the intestinal lining heal crohns disease is an inflammatory disease of the intestinal lining and lipoxygenase inhibitors may help by decreasing leukotriene formation but im not aware of tea or turmeric containing lipoxygenase inhibitors for bad inflammation steroids are used but for a mild case the side effects are not worth the small benefit gained by steroid use upjohn is developing a new lipoxygenase inhibitor that should greatly help deal with inflammatory diseases but its not available yet marty b medicine re cats and pregnancy in article 1993apr27 043035 22609 etl go jp klaus ipri go jp klaus hofmann 6663 writes hello i heard that a certain disease toxoplasmosys is transmitted by cats which can harm the unborn fetus does anybody know about it is it a problem to have a cat in the same apartment having the cat around is not a problem but the pregnant woman should not change the litter box toxoplasmosis can be transmitted from the stool of some cats kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer cars re top 10 reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired in article 1993apr6 180456 17573 magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article 1993apr06 133319 7008 metrics com tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes chints iscs nus sg writes here are another ten reasons why we should all love cr 10 car salesmen love their new car buying service 2 and later on buying a cr idealized family sedan and my number 1 1 the spectacle of the religious fervour of the cr true believers or the spectacle of macho real men who would never bother to read the magazine but are more than apt to criticize it hey im a macho real man and i do read it so i can criticize it all i want especially since i pay for the publication they accept no outside advertising dont you know john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasnt it the black adder relying on consumer reports to pick your automobiles is like letting field stream select your living room furniture kenneth finnegan navo navy mil medicine hunchback i have a friend who has a very pronounced slouch of his upper back he always walks and sits this way so i have concluded that he is hunchback is this a genetic disorder or is it something that people can correct i e is it just bad posture that can be changed with a bit of will power isabelle rosso dartmouth edu guns re guns in backcountry no thanks in article 0096b294 aad9c1e0 uinpla npl uiuc edu reimer uinpla npl uiuc edu paul e reimer writes in article 1qkftjinnoij cronkite cisco com pitargue cisco com marciano pitargue writes stuff deleted about causes of people in er and your factoid about shooting victims in the er count how many come in due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes maybe we should outlaw cars marciano pitargue cisco com there are a lot of automobile accidents but atleast there is some regulation to try to combat this such as drunk drivers get back on the road in no time to kill again seems the drivers license process does not work for this when i got my drivers license i had to take a drivers safety class because you wanted one while you were underage i have to be licensed to drive only on public roads my car must be registered only if it is to be driven on public roads other than between segments of my property i must at least where i live have liability insurance on both myself driving and my car if someone else had an accident with it only on public roads hmm wouldnt manditory saftey classes registration of both the owner and gun and manditory liability insurance be nice for gun owners perhaps if it gave them permission to shoot in public roads and parks paul reimer reimer uinpluxa npl uiuc edu jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 religion re 666 the number of the beast viewer discr in article c4j571 k3d rice edu swaim owlnet rice edu michael parks swaim said posted on 27 mar 1993 at 00 16 13 by michael parks swaim in article c4him1 brf cs psu edu jdh math psu edu jeremy d hall writes well i will do the math and i get 6 6 6 2 189 739 336 this mean anything to anyone 5 1 5 thus fitting in neatly with something else and everything under the sun is in tune what was jabba the nd the sun is eclipsed by the moon hut smoking pink floyd alex eclipse curious baseball kevin mitchell does it again in what seems to be a classic mitchell move he drops a fly ball and injures his hamstring on the same play havent heard anything on how serious the leg is paul who me bitter about mitchells performance in seattle nah we will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard 503 750 3511 home 3006 nw mckinley corvallis or 97330 503 752 8424 a sabr member since 1979 medicine sinus surgery septoplasty my ent doctor recommended surgery to fix my sinuses i have a very deviated nasal septum probably the result at least partially from several fractures one side has approximately 10 15 of normal flow of course i have known this for years but recently discovered that i suffer from chronic sinus infection discovered during an mri after a severe migraine a ct scan subsequently confirmed the problems in the sinuses he wants to do endoscopic sinus surgery on the ethmoid maxillary frontal and sphenoid along with nasal septoplasty he explained the procedure and the risks what i would like to know is if there is anyone out there who can tell me i had this surgery and it helped me ive already heard from a couple who said they had it and it didnt really help them i am a moderately severe asthmatic ent doc says large percentage see some relief of their asthma after sinus surgery also he said it is not unheard of that migraines go away after chronis sinusitis is relieved i am 42 any relevant information is appreciated regards jay keller sunnyvale california badboy netcom com medicine erythromycin is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia fm guns re waco they did it masada fcrary ucsu colorado edu frank crary writes msn reef cis ufl edu mike hk g3zf full auto newsome writes im sick to my stomach as i write this the bd compound is on fire and will burn to the ground in minutes i used exactly this one word reply to suggest a likely ending to the siege several weeks ago but like masada this wasnt entirely a government action the defenders held out as long as they could and then killed themselves their families and their children rather than surrender israel calls the action of the zelots heroic and trains their army to follow this example now that someone has repeated this action in modern times what do we call it liberals and supporters of clinton say that costs made the action necessary steve podleski phone 216 433 4000 nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio 44135 email pspod hooch lerc nasa gov windows re replacement for program manager and file manager yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu maw ying yuan writes hi there could someone please suggest one of the better shareware replacements for win3 1s program manager and file manager and which ftp site are they located at thanks in advance for e mail response please post your response as well i think many would be interested in this one thank you wayne long oe215 internet wcl risc sps mot com 6501 william cannon drive west uucp cs texas edu oakhill risc wcl austin texas 78735 8598 phone 512 891 4649 fax 891 3818 windows strange windows problem my windows 3 1 installation has somehow gone awry whenever i try to run windows now the logo comes up ok but when it tries to enter windows itself the screen gets totally screwed up as if its in the wrong graphics mode or something its completely illegible although functional as i can still exit to dos with an alt e return combination i tried to reinstall windows again but if you recall halfway through the installation process install takes you into windows and there my graphics problem surfaces again so i cannot complete the re installation all this started after trying to get a game working on my system but my config sys and autoexec bat have been restored to what they were before this problem cropped up im running a 486 33dx with a diamond stealth vram ive resinstalled the stealth video drivers again but with no luck im also using qemm and stacker 3 0 but windows is installed on an un stacked partition and of course it worked perfectly before any email replies and suggestions would be appreciated thanks hutch baseball two stooges well the red sox have apparenly resigned herm winningham to a aaa contract ted larry simmons signed him to a aaa contract then released him from buffalo allowing lou curly gorman to circumvent the rule about not resigning free agents until may 1 clearly neither of these guys is bright enough to be moe mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com make it right before you make it faster medicine need prozac info im looking for information regarding dosages of prozac used in minor depression also any other information regarding the drug is helpful please send responses direct thanks rrome nyx cs du edu windows re pctools for windows demo st1pb elroy uh edu burris dean e writes if someone has downloaded the pctools demo from compuserve please upload it to cica or other ftp site thanks dean st1pb elroy uh edu sorry i dont have the demo but i do have the program and have been using it for the past few weeks since i now have dos 6 as well i dont use many of the features of pct4win but i do so use the pct desktop with drag and drop printing folders in folders and multiple desktops the file manager which is far superior to win 3 1s fm pat presidente ppreside cln etc bc ca religion re christian owned organization list in article 47749 sdcc12 ucsd edu shopper ucsd edu writes does anyone have or know where i can find a list of christian owned corporations and companies one that i know of is wordperfect naw the owners of wordperfect are mormons and by tony roses and robert weiss standards mormons arent christians internet slhw4 cc usu edu jason hunsaker logan utah guns re gritz jbs liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian in article c5l2bc c2x 1 cs cmu edu rubinoff cs cmu edu robert rubinoff writes in article 93105 230230u23590 uicvm uic edu u23590 uicvm uic edu writes note that bo gritz was on the populist party ticket with david duke for veep in 1988 until he found out that duke was leading he ticket when he withdrew his candidacy so gritz gave up his chance to be vice president of the us just to aviod supporting duke id hardly call that giving up his chance to be vice president of the us the chance of the populist party ticket winning is essentially nil still it does imply that he doesnt want to be associated with duke robert exactly after all he was in the same party probably just didnt want the bad press that being directly associated with duke would bring conversely is his disdain for david duke supposed to make us ideolize him i mean a stand against neo nazism whoa now thats progressive come on i certainly know that i would refuse and openly denounce my vice presidency if it meant putting him in control stephen white live simply that others may simply live mohandas k gandhi windows windows 3 1 keeps crashing please help as the subjects says windows 3 1 keeps crashing givinh me gpf on me of late it was never a very stable package but now it seems to crash every day the worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently ie i cant reproduce crashes and they are not always gpfs in the same application sometimes i can recover by simply closing the application that caused an error but other times windows acts very strange and i need to re boot some background i have a leading edge 486sx25 with phoenix bios when i first got it it had 4mg of memory it ran windows fine not too many gpfs then a couple of weekends ago i installed lotus 123 for windows with atm a game card and an additional 4 1mg simms the leading edge machine is kind of strange in that it has the ide controler built into the motherboard the cpu is actually on a sparate board that plugs into the motherboard and the simms it uses are macintosh simms apparently i was told that the leading edge had the parity bit built into the mother board the original 4mg 80ns simms where of the 2 chip variety from samsung and the ones i installed are 8 chip simms they are recognized fine by the bios ram check the game card is a generic 20 gamecard the reason why i mention the hardware like this is that sometimes rebooting the machine using the reset button or ctl alt del still leaves the machine kind of flaky but turning it on and off doesnt i havent tried taking out the ram or the game card because as i said these gpf are not reproducible at will i have gone through and entire day using the computer with no problems and then i might get 5 or so gpfs in the sppace of 20 minutes what can i do this situation is most annoying are there any good diagnostic tools for hardware do you think that this might be a software problem ie emm386 etc if it helps i have manage to get gpfs on after dark quicken paint shop pro a lot of them have been in user exe or gdi exe any help is truly appreciated eric ebosco us oracle com guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article c5v9fv krt news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes in article c5uhuo awq usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf writes in article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu nathan engle writes yeah as information trickles in funny how that works funny yeah funny how you didnt wait for the fbi spokesdroid latest reversal of facts before proclaiming the bds burned themselves to death if you wont believe anything the government says and the press is not reliable according to the same logic then what do you base your statements on wild speculation laced with a healthy dose of paranoia funny brent but so far we have heard two versions of the facts 1 what the government says this includes what the government says that two survivors have said 2 what koreshs lawyer who was actually inside the compound says including what he says that most of the survivors have said strange but they seem to disagree in most important particulars if anyone has actually seen news reports of any of the survivors speaking first hand feel free ot pitch in i may have missed it but my money is that their story will sound a hell of a lot like case 2 and not at all like case 1 cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet baseball re zane rescue us from simmons in my last message i wrote 12 management big big zero sauer has yet to make a forceful agreement in favor of revenue sharing i meant argument instead of agreement also i think i should add a coouple of teds positive achievements smiley trade was good for the pirates but i think ted could have gotten someone better than neagle cummings seems to be pretty good the cole trade was excellent but simmons has botched it up now this years draft seems to have gone well for the pirates but then they lost 2 high picks in the bonds fiasco oh well i should give up trying to prove that simmons is not a total idiot windows windows and multiple monitors 10m apart hi i am working on gathering data on the way that users use computers this involves getting subjects to type and use a mouse i want to be able to watch what they are doing without being in the same room it would be ideal if i could watch the session on another monitor without the subjects knowledge i believe that spliting the monitor cable will only work for short distances ie 5m i will need to be approx 10m away as the cable travels the pcs are connected to a tcp ip network and run windows 3 1 is there any software that will allow me to watch what is happening on another pc thanks regards jon gough trust project windows re deriving from class object with owl i solved my problem i still do not understand why it happens ths way perhaps some of you c gurus can explain this to all of us for some reason when i define the following functins in the class definition in the h file the compiler thinks some pure virtual functions are not defined when i placed these two in a separate source file and compiled them the problem went away any ideas what happen are the functions that are defined in the class construct all inline is this the problem virtual int isequal const object far obj const return this hashentry obj virtual void printon rostream os const os hwindow is void far hwindow n bowden wise computer science dept rensselaer polytechnic inst troy ny 12180 internet wiseb cs rpi edu baseball re my belated predictions nl briefly since im off to sleep mles work pretty well for aa nd aaa players players who are 22 and younger will tend to have explosions in their numbers whether mmles or not in the next 2 years players who are 26 and older at those levels generally have inflated mles theyre about as reliable as having major league stats for a player bob gaj baseball re dean palmer hurt edward ouellette edo casbah acns nwu edu wrote i think dean got hit by a pitched ball the other night he got pinch hit for and didnt play against baltimore tonight whats up with that is he hurt please tell me hes not he evidentally got hit in the elbow by a fernando pitch his arm swelled from the elbow to the wrist or something like that they took x rays of the arm and there is nothing damaged he missed the last game with the orioles but he is suppose to be ready for the next game hope this helps mike west west esd dl nec com cars re changing oil by self ah yes the big chunks down in the sump the solution is simple sort of like the advice my aunt always gave never scratch your ear with anything except your elbow if you have pieces of ring con rods valve heads or stems just reach into the sump through the hole in the block that was associated with the creation of those large bits and pieces anything you cant remove with one hand through the hole in the block may safely be left in place medicine re morbus meniere is there a real remedy in article 19392 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article lindaec4jglk fxm netcom com lindae netcom com writes my biggest resentment is the doctor who makes it seem like most people with dizziness can be cured thats definitely not the case in most cases like i said above it is a long tedious process that may or may not end up in a partial cure be sure to say chronic dizziness not just dizziness most patients with acute or subacute dizziness will get better the vertiginous spells of menieres will also eventually go away however the patient is left with a deaf ear all true and all good points to anyone suffering with vertigo dizziness or any variation thereof my best advice to you as a fellow sufferer is this just keep searching dont let the doctors tell you theres nothing that can be done do your own research and let your this may have helped you but im not sure it is good general advice the odds that you are going to find some miracle with your own research that is secret or hidden from general knowledge for this or any other disease are slim when good answers to these then spending a great deal of time and energy on the medical problem may divert that energy from more productive things in life a limited amount should be spent to assure yourself that your doctor gave you the correct story but after it becomes clear that you are dealing with a problem for which medicine has no good solution perhaps the best strategy is to join the support group and keep abreast of new findings but not to make a career out of it well making a career out of it is a bit strong i still believe that doing your own research is very very necessary i would not have progressed as much as i have today unless i had spent the many hours in stanfords med library as i have done and 5 years ago it was clear that there was no medicine that would help me so should i have stopped searching thank goodness i didnt now i found that there is indeed medicine that helps me i think that what youve said is kind of idealistic that you would go to one doctor get a diagnosis maybe get a second opinion and then move on with your life just as an example having seen 6 of the top specialists in this field in the country i have received 6 different diagnoses these are the top names the ones that people come to from all over the country i have had to sort all of this out myself going to a support group and in fact heading that support group was helpful for a while but after a point i found it very unproductive it was much more productive to do library research make phone calls and put together the pieces of the puzzle myself a recent movie lorenzos oil offers a perfect example of what im talking about if you havent seen it you should its not a put down of doctors and neither is what im saying doctors are only human and can only do so much but there are those of us out here who are intelligent and able to sometimes find a missing piece of the puzzle that might have otherwise gone unnoticed i guess im biased because dizziness is one of those weird things that is still so unknown if i had a broken arm or a weak heart or failing kidneys i might not have the same opinion thats because those things are much more tangible and have much more concise definitions and treatments with dizziness you just have to decide to live with it or decide to live with it while trying to find your way out of it i have chosen the latter linda lindae netcom netcom com gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr15 193712 25996 news cs brandeis edu andyh chaos cs brandeis edu andrew j huang writes in article 1993apr15 020356 28944 magnus acs ohio state edu sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu steven j orlin writes i take the electrodes of the amp ohm volt meter whatever and connect one to each earlobe then symmetrically insert my fingers in each of the spark plug boots no cheating guys both hands must be used i have just a couple of questions about this technique first what firing order should i use do i start with my pointer finger or my pinky left hand or right and secondly i have a 12cyl and there are two cylinders unaccounted for any suggestions andy how about your two big toes and while youre at it why bother with removing the drain plug when you could remove the dipstick instead and suck it out from there with your mouth and then spit it out domain bobml msd measurex com bob lagesse senior software engineer uucp uunet mxmsd bobml measurex management systems division voice 513 825 3931 x303 1280 kemper meadow drive fax 513 825 5393 cincinnati ohio 45240 usa guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5tbwr 5xi news cso uiuc edu tomgift uxa cso uiuc edu tom gift writes no they didnt have electrical power but no i dont find the idea of davidians calmly cooking lunch with gas masks on as the fbi knocks the buildings down very credible either i dont know how quickly you can get a woodstove to heat up from a cold start but mine takes about three hours its not like this whole discussion is relevant it started when some one made the wholly unsubstantiated allegation that the wood stove ig nited napalm the fbi shot into the buildings mox nix the bds were prepared to provide their own heat and light and were doing so for weeks while the power was out that means the compound contained containers of flammable liquids or gases that could be busted by a tank intrusion plus ignition sources which no one can tell for sure were all off at the time im not a groveling apoligist for the feds far from it but wild ac cusations like this are ridiculous and obfuscate legitimate criticism of their conduct in this whole affair on the contrary we are proposing alternate scenarios the people who are coming to wild conclusions are the feds who are absolutely positive how the fire started even though none of them were in a position to see it either and the stories they hear from their prisoners changes hourly cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet baseball re seeking moe berg reference info in article 8813 blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu david m tate writes i seem to have misplaced the baseball bibliography that was posted here recently thats what happens when you have to split a heap of disorganized files from one machine among two others could some kind soul repost the bibliography or mail me a copy also in particular a colleague of mine is looking for any information he can find on moe berg catcher linguist espion of ww2 any references or anecdotes for that matter would be appreciated dave i believe si had an in depth article on moe a while ago i remember that the article revealed some new facts regarding the secretive moe my si subscription expired this past february the second of two years that i received same therefore my guess is that the article appeared sometime in 1991 92 can anyone else be more definitive as to a date of the si article jerry baseball re marlins first 3 rbi in article 1psgriinni1 rpco10 acslab umbc edu cs106116 umbc edu cs106116 writes hey i was watching the orioles game on tv yesterday monday when a report came in to the booth that the first 3 runs came in on a three run single did this really happen if it did how they said that the leadoff man knocked them in what exactly happened thanks walt weiss tripled just barely inside the right field line and into the corner driving in santiago and conine these were the first two rbis the third came later when weiss was knocked in daniel cars re manual shift bigots in article c5liw2 cax news rich bnr ca peon w o email eric youngblood writes in article 1qn2lo c9s vela acs oakland edu mje pookie pass wayne edu michael j edelman writes the big disadvantage of automatics is the 10 hp they consume that never gets to the wheels in this respect they are at a disadvantage to a manual only when the torque converter is not locked up there are autos out there with converter lock up in 2nd 3rd and 4th gears dont forget that now that new 6 speed manual trannys are available the drive train is more optimally geared to get the most out of the engine rare so are 5 speed autos but very real bottom line is both manuals and automatics have vastly improved i think that automatics have advanced far more than manuals especially in shift intelligence i say that a smart automatic is better than the majority of drivers in terms of being in the right gear at the right time which to me is more important than torque converter losses i prefer the stick for fun and the auto for traffic who says you cant have your cake and eat it too a well designed shifter will easily facilitate manual clutchless shifts i am referring to the much copied mercedes jagged gate the only department where you lose out is in the number of ratios available and of course the converter losses if ayrton senna can drive a racecar with fully automatic transmission it cant be half bad eliot medicine post polio syndrome information needed please my wife has become interested through an acquaintance in post polio syndrome this apparently is not recognised in new zealand and different symptons eg chest complaints are treated separately does anone have any information on it thanks keith guns ap rifles i just read a clari article about how among the other weapons the bd had purched they had two barrett 50 caliber armor piercing rifles how the hell do you use an armor piercing rifle run up to a tank and try to stab it once again ignorance prevails amongst the media aaron arc cco caltech edu medicine urine analysis someone please help me i am searching to find out as many others may an absolute cure to removing all detectable traces of marijuana from a persons body is there a chemical or natural substance that can be ingested or added to urine to make it undetectable in urine analysis if so where can these substances be found if you know this information please email me directly thank you kindly for your support randy windows re please refresh on internet access to compuserve in article syshtg 735844032 gsusgi1 gsu edu syshtg gsusgi2 gsu edu tom gillman writes cheong solomon technet sg scstech admin writes sometime ago there are some discussions on gaining compuserve access thru the internet but i seem to misplace those articles can someone please refresh me where which site i can telnet to to gain access to send a message to a compuserve user via internet e mail enter the mail mode and address your receiver as follows 723123 313 compuserve com the number is the receivers compuserve i d number if the users number contains a comma or anything other than a period change it to a period baseball a move we wont see was why the redflops can but wont win stwombly cs ulowell edu steve twombly writes 1 mo vaughn can hit 400 in the spring 1b mo vaughn can only hit 230 during the season excellent point i hope to god that ted simmons doesnt get the weird idea of trading for the guy and if he does he had better not include jeff king in the deal oh god what if he traded zane smith and jeff king for vaughn and greg blosser it would be worse than the nichols curse hmm i guess that doesnt sound sincere enough oh well at least i tried jking religion re alt sex stories under literary critical analysis in article 1qevbh h7v agate berkeley edu dzkriz ocf berkeley edu dennis kriz writes hi all im going to try to do something here that perhaps many would not have thought even possible i want to begin the process of initiating a literary critical study of the pornography posted on alt sex stories to identify the major themes and motifs present in the stories posted there opening up then the possibility of an objective moral evaluation of the material present there first off let me congratulate you for not posting a flame about you sick perverts you are immoral you are all going to hell which seems to be the usual religious post found on the alt sex hierarchy hopefully you wont get flamed either you will however be argued with i personally think that your project is built on unsteady ground first i do not believe that there is any way to find an objective morality morality and value are inherently subjective they represent the beliefs of a person or a group of people they can be widely held perhaps even overwhelmingly held but they are never and can never be objective assumptions 1 a christian bedrock assumption that all that is true comes truly from god 2 regarding alt sex stories while perhaps even from an objective standpoint the majority of its material is indeed repugnant you come to this conclusion quite quickly when you start thinking about analyzing its material like this some of it reflects some fairly profound needs in people as well as some truths and deserve to be pointed out second i do not accept the assumptions that you make here if as you say you are trying to be objective then why accept a morality to begin with by using the christian bible youre defeating your own purpose by doing so in the long run the advantage of making such a literary moral analysis is that it will save band width between christians and non mutually flaming each other about the moral acceptability of the stuff on these pornographic groups third call me a pessimist but you wont stop the flamage there will always be people who pop upin alt sex to tell us how sick and twisted and evil we all are just out of curiosity do alt sex readers show up unprovoked in the religion groups to tell you all that you are narrow minded censoring overbearing totalitarianists basically there should not be a dissonance between a christian morality and a non christian one either there is value in a particular work or there is not whether one is a christian or not hm let me provide an example four people get together over dinner to discuss morality you me a rather conservative moslem and a sociopath i start off by saying that i think its immoral to force people to have sex with you you agree but also say that it is immoral to have sex with someone of your own gender just a note i really dont know your views on homosexuality i am just using this as a common view of morality for the purposes of this example the moslem says that it is immoral for women to have their faces uncovered the sociopath who has become bored kills all three of us and eats us but feels no guilt because he has done nothing wrong morally in his own mind in support for the first assumption the christian scriptures say this evidence deleted im not going to accept your evidence for this you ask us to accept the word of god that everything good comes from god this is only a valid argument for a person who shares your beliefs still i must say that cataloging the major themes and motifs in erotica could be interesting for other reasons than yours so good luck with this next part now then what are some of the major themes motifs in the pornographic literature on places like alt sex stories these are some that ive been able to identify please add comment on them motif 1 the male cinderella in so many of the stories there is expressed a feeling of alienation and worthlessness on the part of the writer or otherwise protagonist of the story with regard to the object the other person of his her desire often a story involves a protagonist who on the surface is quite average but underneath usually has an enormous dick who desires to in some way to gain access in a definitely sexual way to the other person who he she confesses is far more desireable than he she is and who indeed seems to walk between the rain drops hmmm do i detect just a wee bit of condescence here motif 2 a celebration of indeed preoccupation with beauty not very objective the vast majority of pornographic literature deals with beauty be it innocence somehow about to be lost grace or simply physical beauty and generally most people christian or non will say that beauty is good one could construe this to mean that beautiful people are better or more good than non beautiful people i would hope that people relize that this is not necessarily true motif 3 ones dick is ones instrument of redemption might i suggest the word penis it seems more in line with the tone of your post blessed are those who are well hung for they shall get laid from what would thus be a revised matthew 5 bravo i respect you and your sense of humor sir motif 4 sex as an expression of sincere giving there is often enough a clear desire on the part of the protagonist to give definitely sexual pleasure to the object person of his her desires yes and this theme is usually what the better stories are about however they are not always selfish i could point to examples in the work of elf sternberg for example motif 5 alt sex stories describes a sex which is completely removed from the realm of transmitting life so removed is sex from its procreative dimension on alt sex stories that one begins to wonder why sex even involves ejaculation as in the context described in pornography it serves then no real purpose it serves the same purpose as it does in pornographic movies it affirms the virility of the male involved as well as assuring the reader that he the character has orgasmed the whole picture tm is probably very well described by the catholic teaching on this of the husband and wife in an act of total mutual self giving in the sexual union cooperating with god in opening themselves up for the transmission of new life cf humane vitae your whole picture tm unfortunately only applies to people who accept your church in addition if sex is for procreation then 1 why did god make it pleasurable so that people would want to do it rather than building it in as instinct 2 why did god make it fallible not every sexual encounter results in pregnancy even among catholics does this mean that they have sinned in any case alt sex stories and the catholic teaching will probably not see eye to eye on this for a long time granted motif 6 sex used as an instrument violence power and humiliation why pornography seems to tend in that direction i really do not know probably volumes could be written on the relationships between sex and power humiliation but this probably gives good reason why traditionally judeo christianity has been so negative with regard to sexuality it seems to tend to a great moral morass pornography would not tend in those directions if there were not a demand for it many people have violent fantasies that they would never act out in real life but will think about and read about and mull over later jeff jeffj yang earlham edu official generic sig under 4 lines under 80 columns no amiga checks no witty quotes no maps of australia no asterisks no ascii art no disclaimers or anti flame requests and one spelling errer medicine re earwax hbloom moose uvm edu heather writes you can try adding a few drops of olive oil into the ear during a shower to soften up the wax do this for a couple days then try syringing again it is also safe to point your ear up at the shower head and allow the water to rinse it out about six years ago my ears clogged up with wax probably as a result of to much headphone use anyway the clinic that cleaned them out used the following procedure 1 inject olive oil into ears 2 prevent leakage of oil with cotton 3 come back in an hour 4 rinse ears with warm vater forcefully injected into ear very strange sensation 5 done they had special tools to do this and were evidently quite familiar with the problem very large steel syringe special bowl with cutout for ear to take the grime coming out without spillage good luck seconded bjorn r bjornsson brb falcon is cars re locking lugnuts tire rebalance in article 1993apr22 145940 1 skcla monsanto com mas skcla monsanto com writes if you put a locking lugnut on your tires do you need to have your tires rebalanced john mas e mail address mas skcla monsanto com i bought a set of ares a few months back and decided to add locks so that i could keep my new rims i havent had a balance problem yet so i assume that it might be just particular to your type of stock nuts my rims were balanced with new bfg t as at a speed shop to the finest setting on their bal machine so that helps too zauberer aka travis t guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1r21g2inneah clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes in article c5sou8 lnb news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article 1993apr20 163730 16128 guinness idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu andrew betz writes in article c5rynw iz8 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes and i suppose the fbi also prevented them from coming out with their hands up while national tv cameras watch watch from where two miles away far enough away that whatever really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of a humiliated agency that said quote enough is enough please tell me what you think would have happened had the people come out with their hands up several weeks ago it didnt happen and who is responsible for it not happening certainly not the children koresh was calling the shots he was talking with his lawyer and the fbi since others were released safely there is no sane reason for keeping the children inside the compound scenario that is simplest and most plausible i do not generally believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely scenarios the fbi sent letters to martin luther kings wife insinuating that mlk was having an affair again please tell us exactly how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government more than someone who would not release children from the compound obviously you are an authority worshiper not at all are you a koresh worshiper i e more than david koresh vernon howell jesus christ i saw lengthy excerpts from an australian documentary made in 1992 that clearly showed that this was a cult give me a camera and time with you and i can present excerpts that show you to be a cult leader guarenteed thanks for my laugh of the day definitely a very silly supposition you should at least view the whole documentary before you claim it as a source i would if i could the news show that showed the lengthy excerpts also had interviews with the filmmaker who made the documentary who basically confirmed what was shown in the excerpts from the time he spent at the compound in 1992 i am not pleased with the batf handling of the affair i think they bungled it badly from the start but i dont think they are responsible for the fire which started in two different places two places eh you saw this or did the wonderful fbi tell you this i saw one place i believe that this was reported by local radio reporters on site a fire started in a three story tower at the same time as the two story window shown on the tv coverage the batf is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair but to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is ludicrous i suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to risk small arms fire to get some good footage these people were told to get the hell out of camera range why couldnt answer this one eh this is the most important question of all it is the root cause of all the other suspicion i thought about mentioning how reagan and the military treated the press in grenada and how that set the precedent but decided it wasnt worthy of discussion if the news reporter got shot you can bet his family would sue the government for letting him into the danger area the root cause of suspicion in my mind is why 100 people wouldnt flee a building that had numerous exits during the 30 minutes time it took to burn down or why didnt they flee hours earlier when the tear gas was first introduced i can find no rational explanation for their behavior windows re does dos6 defragment in article c51h9m 46p news cso uiuc edu rhc52134 uxa cso uiuc edu richard writes geoffrey s elbo writes yes and it is the fastest defrag ive ever watched it did a 170mb hard disk in 20 minutes i found the ms defrag looks very much like norton speedisk is it just a strip down version of the later i have both norton speedisk and backup so i was wondering if i need to install ms backup richard yes defragger is come from norton if you have norton utility dont bother medicine re request gyro souvlaki sauce in article 1r8pcn rm1 terminator rs itd umich edu donald mackie donald mackie med umich edu writes in article 1993apr22 205341 172965 locus com michael trofimoff tron fafnir la locus com writes would anyone out there in net land happen to have an authentic sure fire way of making this great sauce that is used to adorn gyros and souvlaki im not sure of the exact recipe but im sure acidophilus is one of the major ingredients its plain yoghurt with grated cucumber and coriander other spices are sometimes used some people use half yoghurt and half mayonaise guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news in article c4tm1h ecf magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes for chrissakes take out your calculator and work out the numbers here ive preformatted them for you to make it easier handgun homicides population switzerland 24 6 350 000 uk 8 55 670 000 and then tell me again how switzerland is safer with a more liberal handgun law than the uk is without by rate or total number your choice please pay attention i and others were referring to total homicide deaths not just handgun homicides in terms of how likely are you to be killed regardless of how its done cause dead is dead the uk has a higher homicide rate period you are more likely to be killed in the uk than in switzerland if you were to be murdered with a handgun then yes switzerland has a higher rate but to belabor the point you are more likely to be murdered in the uk in that sense the weapon is irrelevant the uk is more violent period al standard disclaimer medicine thyroidal deficiency hi my wife has aquired some thyroidal sp deficiency over the past year that gives symptoms such as needing much sleep coldness and proneness to gaining weight she has been to a doctor and taken the ordinary tests and her values were regarded as low the doctor and my wife are not very interested in starting medication as this deactivates the gland giving life long dependency to the drug hormone the last couple of monthes she has been seeing a hoemoepath sp and been given some drops to re activate either her thyroidal gland and or the message center in the brain sorry about the approximate language but i havent got many clues to what the english terms are but the brain area is called the hypofyse in norwegian my questions are has anyone had heard of success in using this approach her values have been slowly but steadily sinking any comment on the probability of improvement although the doctor has told her to eat normally my wife has dieted vigorously to keep her weight as she feels that is part of keeping an edge over the illness condition may this affect the treatment development i can get the exact figures for her tests for anyone interested and i will greatly value any information opinion experience on this topic i dont intend this post to be either a flaming of the established medical profession or a praise for alternatives i am just relaying events as they have happened sincerely erik a wolff religion re sunday the day of our lord pharvey quack kfu com paul harvey writes dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu darius lecointe writes exactly sunday worship is in honor or the sun not the son of god same thing isnt it its pronounced the same what other heavenly beings are resurrected the moon that would by lunacy at least to a sunday worshiper i have heard that the sabbath was originally determined by the phases of the moon and had elements of moon worship early stuff egyptian in nature larry caldwell caldwell ohsu edu compuserve 72210 2273 oregon health sciences university 503 494 2232 windows off line mail i am looking for a program called vbreader it is an off line mail reader for windows using qwk mail packets or if anyone knows of any good qwk mail readers please let me know thanks kevin kevin c donoghue internet donoghue donoghue win net donoghue international few love to hear the sins they love to act 2437 grand ave suite 273 william shakespear ventura ca 93003 guns re my gun is like my in article 1993apr16 194708 13273 vax oxford ac uk jaj vax oxford ac uk writes what all you turkey pro pistol and automatic weapons fanatics dont seem to realize is that the rest of us laugh at you you dont make me angry you just make me chuckle steve its nice that you find me laughable but i dont quite understand is it because you think my firearms clash with what im wearing or that my nra sticker isnt on straight please state your judgement i find it sad that people wont accept the responsibility to defend themselves and i laugh with the same contempt you have for me at the sheep who expect the government to protect them what he didnt realize was that we took a photo of the back of his truck and showed it to our friends when we got back to vancouver canada where im from originally people were guffawing at the basic stupidity of such a sticker and the even greater stupidity of the person who put it there in the first place you and your friends sound like a bunch of smug intellectuals now that i live in britain i can see how the rest of the civilized world perceives you gun nut morons oh i guess you are im still waiting for you all knowing academic likes to solve the worlds problems let us know when you have the answers or punch lines as this case may be the only problem is that canada i hear is suffering from your national eccentricity in that easy to purchase weapons are being smuggled cross the border so its not a yankee thing are canadians actually as uncivilized as we americans hell here in britain the cops dont even carry guns well if its anything like here it wouldnt matter if they did they wouldnt be able to use them hell as i recall in peoples court even rusty carried a gun never know some plaintiff might go nuts you shouldnt waste your time watching tv steve it will corrupt your mind anyway all you gun nut rush limbaugh fans please keep up your diatribes against brady and other evil liberal media plots you re so damn funny you provide endless amounts of entertainment in your arguments and examples of why someone should be allowed to carry a piece keep us all chuckling ditto to you self righteous one lay your derogatory tirade on thick steve yall can keep laughing and ill keep feeling safe and secure steve johanes baseball world series stats does anybody else think that ws stats should become part of a players career stats why not windows new windows drivers for cirrus gd5426 graphic cards i have uploaded the most recent windows drivers for the cirrus gd5426 chip based display cards to the uploads directory at ftp cica indiana edu file is 5426dr13 zip theyre very recent i downloaded them from the cirrus bbs 570 226 2365 last night if you are unable to get them there email me and maybe i can upload them to some other sites as well i have a local bus based card vl24 bitblaster from micron but i think the drivers work with isa cards or at least includes drivers for them i found the new drivers to be a significant improvement over the 1 2 version improving my graphic winmarks v3 11 by about 2 million 7 77 to 9 88 although this could be the result of intentional benchmark cheating on cirruss part but i dont think so from steve gibsons columnist for info world graphic card comparisons also found at the cica ftp site under the name winadv zip i extracted the following for the sake of comparison wintach winbn3 11 word sprsht cad paint overall steves system 486 33 vlb ati graphics ultra pro 9 33 10 34 20 78 8 28 14 90 13 58 my system 486sx 33 vlb vl24 bitblaster 9 88 8 65 11 71 18 84 15 40 13 65 its no viper but i think its a hell of a deal at about a third of the cost of the ati card and when compared to the other cards included in gibsons review micron system owners i would be interested to hear your opinions on the dtc 2270vl local bus disk controller my system came with a maxtor 7120 drive 120 mb and at first was only giving me disk winmarks of about 16 kb s i am now at 22 kb s is this about as good as it gets i cant get a nortons sysinfo disk reading because the contoller intercepts the calls at least that was what the program said oliver weatherbee oliver earthview windows ndw norton desktop for windows i have an ibm and run windows 3 1 a friend installed norton desktop for windows on top of this it loads automatically when i type win and surely adds to the already dismally slow process of starting up i would like to know how to stop or uninstall this program i have taken it out of win ini but it still pops up running with windows i did a big search and found reference to it in ndw ini system ini and progman ini removing it here causes a failure when starting up windows progrman ini has a group 7 ndw exe which cant be deleted is there anyone familiar with ndw who can tell me how to turn it off thanks chet please email responses i cant read news from my home account chetter ucthpx uct ac za medicine re h e l p m e desperate with some vd in article 1993apr17 115716 19963 debbie cc nctu edu tw mjliu csie nctu edu tw ming zhou liu writes i have bad luck and got a vd called granuloma ingunale which involves the growth of granules in the groin i found out about it by checking medicine books and i found the prescriptions ming zhou lius main problem is that he has an incompetent physician himself this physician has diagnosed a problem even though he probably has never seen the diagnosed disease before and has no idea of what kinds of problems can present similar symptoms this physician now wants to treat his first case of this disease without any help from the medical community the best thing ming zhou liu could do is fire his current physician and seek out a better one russell medicine re acutane fibromyalgia syndrome and cfs reply to daniel prince f129 n102 z1 calcom socal com daniel prince there is a person on the fido cfs echo who claims that he was cured of cfs by taking accutane he also claims that you are using it in the treatment of fibromyalgia syndrome are you using accutane in the treatment of fibromyalgia syndrome yes have you used it for cfs it seems to work equally well for cfs another hint that these may be different facets of the same underlying process have you gotten good results with it yes the benefit is usually evident within a few days of starting it most of the patients for whom it has worked well continued low dose amitriptyline daily aerobic excersise and a regular sleep schedule current standard therapy because of the cost usually 150 mo depending on dose and potential for significant side effects like corneal injury and birth defects i currently reserve it for those who fail conventional treatment it is important that the person prescribing it have some experience with it and follow the patient closely are you aware of any double blind studies on the use of accutane in these conditions thank you in advance for all replies as far as i know i am the only person looking at it currently i should get off my duff and finish writing up some case reports im not an academic physician so i dont feel the pressure to publish or perish and i dont have the time during the work day for such things david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 1993apr26 174819 13707 starbase trincoll edu writes in article 1ra5i9innd4g clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras wrote in article 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu writes ive yet to meet a group of baptists who were stockpiling cambells soup and m 16s ar 15s and banging marrying thirteen yuear olds i dont recall saying baptists do any of that though i suppose some do and none of them are listed in the dictionary as characteristics of a cult my mother stockpiled campbells soup when it was on sale youre a sorry son of a bitch if you cant draw a distinction between these two things you are an intolerent foul mouthed human you sound like you are ready to join the kkk or neo nazis with a narrow mind like yours fuck you my paternal grandparents died in oswiecym aushwitz in the native tongue for all of you pseudo historically literate people and bejing peking who cares about native tongue as long as we all understand each other i would suggest youd have to search long and hard to find someone with more diffuse sensibilities oh not more than a few feet i wouldnt think im sorry if your paternal grandparents died in oswiecym or aushwitz which is easier to say than prove but if so the lesson they paid thier lives for was wasted on you just tootin my own horn you are the expert i often feel compelled to brag about the circumstances of my grandparents death 8 people like you cheapen our constitution by using it to defend sociopaths who arent deserved of it get a life and chill on the paranoia i dont care about cults theres no language problem here my problem is with religious fanatics claiming to be god is just a little bit unsettling stockpiling several years supply of canned foods and enough weapons to hold off a company not to mention the atf which ed up in the first place and talking about how theyre going to take care of all of the unbelievers but granted up to that moment hed done nothing wrong i recognize and respect that then the atf discovers he doesnt have proper permits for some of his purchases and failed to pay some taxes on them a batf offense if true then several parents come forward and demand that previous charges of child abuse be refiled there have been interviews with some parents whose children were in the compound at some point these parents claimed psychological and sexual abuse the childrens statements supported these charges a local offense if true totally outside the batfs domain was it a no knock i really havent heard anything on that but clearly he was not just another guy minding his own business hell give them all the guns in the world if they dont bother anyone but he was a scary sort dont you think i didnt know the man just what the tv chose to tell me the sort of person youd want your daughter to date i thought there were prejudicial undertones here i would trust my daughters judgement i didnt think so reason number one to doubt the legal statements made by some of the survivors note that some of them were made by his guard well hesitate to say expertly trained killers i dont believe either side blindly then he fired on the atf thats not just a little mistake or some red white and blue american defending his home against big brother if they fired first without announcing in a beleivable way who they were i can pound on your door and claim to be the police will you just lay down and take it if i do then he could be justified in firing on the atf in self defense that shit doesnt fly anyone with his background that will shoot and kill federal law enforcement officials is not some good citizen whose crusade enjoys our support hes a loose cannon just my opinion his background what law has he been convicted of breaking in the past joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 medicine re help for kidney stones pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu wrote my girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones she says that because she has no medical insurance she cannot get them removed my question is there any way she can treat them herself or at least mitigate their effects any help is deeply appreciated advice referral to literature etc thank you dave carvell pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu first off i would consider the severity of the pain i had stones several years ago and theres now way i could have made it without heavy duty doses of morphine and demerol and a two week stay in the hospital i was told that there was nothing that i could take that would dissolve them if the stones are passible the best thing she could do is drink lots of water and hope that they pass but every time they move a little the pain will be excrutiating i was told by my doctor at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth yes by a male doctor so im sure some of you women will disagree id really like to know the truth in this so maybe some of you women who have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in jeff silva 707 577 2681 jeffs sr hp com medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1qmlgainnjab hp col col hp com cab col hp com chris best writes jason chen writes now here is a new one vomiting my guess is that msg becomes the number one suspect of any problem in this case it might be just food poisoning but if you heard things about msg you may think it must be it yeah it might if you only read the part you quoted you somehow left out the part about we all ate the same thing changes things a bit eh perhaps now just what leads you to believe that it was msg and not some other ingredient in the food that made you ill these people arent condemning chinese food mr chen just one of its optional ingredients try not to take it so personally and youre condemning one particular ingredient without any evidence that thats the ingredient to which you reacted carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey i understand vaxen and vms thats what i get paid for my understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level or below so unless what im saying is directly related to vax vms dont hold me or my organization responsible for it if it is related to vax vms you can try to hold me responsible for it but my organization had nothing to do with it windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article sundaram 737186206 msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu divya sundaram writes jenk microsoft com jen kilmer writes much bs deleted for brevity again my point was that not all microsofties are here to sell readers on our products which would conflict with the no ads philosophy of usenet nor do we necessarily have access to info that others have it certainly smacks of that remember the poll that you quoted saying that you had seen a 95 of users being satisfied with dos 6 0 it was 93 94 and actually another msdos team member posted it note that people not on the msdos team would not necessarily know about that or care to recall how unbiased the sample set was when i heard those numbers i wondered how they got them having worked in product support and knowing that the typical support caller has very little positive to say about the product i figured it wasnt from there so i wandered over to the marketing folks and asked and i was told it was from a survey of registered users and i posted that on the net when people asked where the 93 figure came from that post sure looked like fud and coming from a microsoftie well it sure seemed like something was not on level hmm i figured if chuck posted the numbers why not include where they came from i also find it interesting that postitive info is fear uncertainty doubt advocacy is good but spreading fud to advocate your favorite os is very unethical especially when you have a vested interest in the success of that os i think youve got me confused with someone else i dont pretend that msdos provides what all people need or that other oses including unix os 2 dont provide useful and or necessary features i also dont push people to use msdos i even posted in comp os msdos misc that i suggest waiting before installing a new os esp if you have trouble support is always overloaded during release unless the sales are a total bomb i also get tired of people assuming that microsofties are like members of the borg that is because their actions seem to invite this opinion never seen more defensive people in my life i aint saying some of us dont get defensive sometimes do you really think msdos gets any more respect within microsoft than outside it i just mean we all arent cut out of the same dough with the same cookie cutter we dont all think alike yeah chuckst and i have some inside info on msdos doesnt mean that everyone else does seriously speaking it is a shame that ms techie employees get the heat for mss actions most of which are perpetrated by the management and marketing i am sure that they are very talented etc i have not doubts about their abilities just about the ethics of their marketing practices jen include stdisclaimer jenk microsoft com msdos testing medicine re food related seizures in article paulson 93apr15082558 cmb00 larc nasa gov paulson tab00 larc nasa gov sharon paulson writes i am posting to this group in hopes of finding someone out there in network newsland who has heard of something similar to what i am going to describe here i have a fourteen year old daugter who experienced a seizure on november 3 1992 at 6 45am after eating kellogs frosted flakes she is perfectly healthy had never experienced anything like this before and there is no history of seizures in either side of the family all the tests eeg mri ekg came out negative so the decision was made to do nothing and just wait to see if it happened again well we were going along fine and the other morning april 5 she had a bowl of another kellogs frosted kind of cereal fruit loops i am embarrassed to admit that i even bought that junk but every once in a while so i pour it in her bowl and think oh oh this is the same kind of junk she was eating when she had that seizure ten minutes later she had a full blown seizures this was her first exposure to a sugar coated cereal since the last seizure my daughter has epilepsy and i attend a monthly parent support group just wednesday night a mother was telling how she decided to throw all the junk food out and see if it made a difference in her 13 year olds seizures he was having about one seizure per week she reported that she did this on thursday 3 11 he had a seizure on saturday and then went 4 weeks without a seizure on easter he went to grandmas and ate candy pop anything he wanted he had a seizure the next day she sees sensitivity to nutrasweet sugar colors caffine and corn with corn she says he gets very nervous and aggresive with my own daughter age 7 i think she is also sensitive and stays away from those foods on her own she has never had gum wont eat candy prefers an apple to a cookie doesnt like chocolate and wont even use toothpaste her brother on the other hand is a junk food addict hope this helps good luck windows re windows gripe in article 1ppmvf qnh bigboote wpi edu bigal wpi wpi edu nathan charles crowell writes hi there theres one thing about windows that really frosts me i have 20mb of ram installed in my system i use a 5mb 2 5mb under windows disk cache and a 4mb permanent swap file while i can never fill the memory up i still have problems sometimes because i run out of gdi resources what gives i think windows could manage these resources a little better does anyone have any input on how to conserve these resources so that i can avoid this problem nate nathan c crowell dept of mechanical engineering acrl worcester polytechnic institute e mail bigal wpi wpi edu costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars nathan win31 has a fixed limit of 64k gdi memory regardless of physical ram installed this is twice that of win30 but not nearly robust enough for many developers and power users using amish launch as your shell you can reduce gdi memory usage by as much as 15 over progman ndw 2 dashboard and other graphical type icon based and other shells also nesting and full hot key global support is offered something no other shells have at this time ted matsumura president amish software inc wq windows western digital 90c31 driver i know that ive seen this question asked before but i dont remember seeing any answers so here it is again does any one know of an ftp site where the wd90c31 driver might reside ive checked cica and im sure its not there im refering to the new version of the driver that came out in 2 93 i have seen it on c serve but i hesitate to d l 1 meg at 2400 bps unless i really have to alternativly is it possible to get paradise or wd to mail me the new drivers or dont they do that finally is it even worth the hassle of getting these things or is there not much improvement over my 10 92 version thanks for the info peter peter st wecker n4yrj internet pswecker med unc edu 919 966 1096 uucp pswecker uncmed uucp dept of physiology univ of north carolina chapel hill nc baseball re montreal question in article 1993apr19 015442 15723 oz plymouth edu k mullin oz plymouth edu mully writes what position does mike lansing play i cannot seem to find it anywhere thanks 1 hes a shortstop by training but hes been at second mostly and third this year for the expos dave demers demers cs ucsd edu computer science engineering 0114 demers cs ucsd bitnet uc san diego ucsd cs demers la jolla ca 92093 0114 619 534 0688 or 8187 fax 619 534 7029 religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed in article 1993apr21 093914 1 woods ulowell edu cotera woods ulowell edu writes in article 1r17j9 5ie sbctri sbc com netd susie sbc com writes in article 20apr199301460499 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu stephen writes for those who think david koresh didnt have a solid structure or sound biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast i dont think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his sermon its the deaths hes responsible for that concern most people i assume you have evidence that he was responsible for the deaths koresh was a nut okay again id like to see some evidence nut or not he was clearly a liar he said he would surrender after local radio stations broadcast his message but he didnt then he said he would surrender after passover but he didnt none of which excuses the gross incompetence and disregard for the safety of the children displayed by the feds as someone else pointed out if it had been chelsea clinton in there you would probably have seen more restraint peter cars re car insurance help in article c4x6yq 5l4 news claremont edu ochaine jarthur claremont edu ollie north chaine writes help my car insurance has been cancelled for the second time in a row i still havent gotten in touch with my agent from aaa because shes out for the week but my mom said that i got a call saying that my insurance was going to be cancelled because of an accident not even a fender bender that was never declared or anything besides the fact that i have no idea how they found out about this the only other thing that could bug them is that i have 1 ticket but i told them about it and they said that it wasnt a problem if i go to another insurance i know i will end up paying more b c i already shopped around for this one and i cant afford to pay for the insurance especially since i still havent gotten the 3000 the two insuance companies are supposed to refund me i just got a new saturn sl2 and cant afford the car payments and the insurance but i bought the car having gotten a quote from state farm which they later went back on please help me what legal rights do i have can i make state farm who originally gave me the quote give me that rate they made a mistake after i signed all the papers i did not give any false evidence how can i get my money back for the car if i cant pay for the insurance im deperate ollie i just went through this mess in new jersey im still waiting for a refund as well namely that the original company made a mistake and left me in the lurch my recourse was through njs insurance dept office of consumer protection you should have a similar office in your state make use of it good luck chris behanna dod 114 1983 h d fxwg wide glide jubilees red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer now why would nec 1991 zx 11 pending delivery agree with any of this anyway i was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs guns re whos next mormons and jews in 1993apr20 003522 22480 midway uchicago edu thf2 kimbark uchicago edu ted frank writes the koreshians rubbed themselves out neither mormons nor jews have a propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene so im not particularly concerned or shall we blame jim jones on the government also the suggestion that they davidians committed suicide is completely without evidence except for the editorials please re word propensity for allegedly dousing themselves oh and the survivors claim the the fbi started the burning by accidentally igniting kerosene lanterns remember that theyd already cut the power and the propane tanks this sounds a lot more likely than committing suicide by setting the place afire d david s meyers dmeyers math gatech edu when encryption is outlawed only outlaws will kh n b mk cars wife wants convertible help my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car we live in south fla so we are definitely in the right are for one my wife has mentioned the miata but i think it is too small i would like to wait for the new mustangs dec 93 i think anyone have any opinions on any all convertibles in a reasonable price range thanx cars re 1993 infiniti g20 in article 78834 cup portal com carl f hoffman cup portal com writes 2 there is a special deal where i can get an infinity g20 fully loaded at dealer cost i have check this out and the numbers match up they are doing this because they are releasing and update mid 1993 version includes dual air bags and want to get rid of their old 1993s is this really the dealers cost did you get the dealers cost by looking at the invoice there may be factory to dealer incentives id check this out since i have trouble believing that a dealer would sell a car to me at his cost dealer invoice is not necessarily the dealer cost teddy medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1qmlgainnjab hp col col hp com cab col hp com chris best writes jason chen writes now here is a new one vomiting my guess is that msg becomes the number one suspect of any problem in this case it might be just food poisoning but if you heard things about msg you may think it must be it yeah it might if you only read the part you quoted you somehow left out the part about we all ate the same thing changes things a bit eh food poisoning is only one of the many possible causes yes even other people share the food you complain that people blame msg automatically since its an unknown and therefore must be the cause it is equally if not more unreasonable to defend it automatically assuming that it cant be the culprit boy you computer people only know 1s and 0s but not much about logic no i did not said msg was not the culprit what i argued was that that there was enough reasonable doubt to convict msg if you want to convict msg show me the evidence not quilty by suspicion pepper makes me sneeze if it doesnt affect you the same way fine just dont tell me im wrong for saying so nobody is forcing you to change what you believe but i certainly dont want to see somebody preach to ban pepper because that makes him her sneeze that is exactly what some anti msg activitiests are doing these people arent condemning chinese food mr chen just one of its optional ingredients try not to take it so personally look people with a last chen dont necessarily own a chinese restaurant i am not interested if you enjoy chinese food or not exploiting my last name to discredit me on the issue is hitting below the belt what i am interested in is the truth let me give you an excert from a recent fda hearing there is no evidence orally consumed glutamate has any effect on the brain said dr richard wurtman of massachusetts institute of technology the anecdotal experiences of individuals is superstition not science he said i dont think glutamate has made them sick and dr robert kenney of george washington university conducted an double blind test in 1980 showing that the 35 people who reacted to msg also had similar reaction when they thought they had msg but actually not although there are many contradicting personal stories told in this group some of them might have been due to other causes but because the anti msg emotion runs so high that some blame it for anything and everything my purpose is to present a balance view on the issue although i am probably 20 1 outnumbered jason chen medicine a good place for back surgery hello just one quick question my father has had a back problem for a long time and doctors have diagnosed an operation is needed since he lives down in mexico he wants to know if there is a hospital anywhere in the united states particulary famous for this kind of surgery kind of like houston has a reputation for excellent doctors in eye surgery any additional info or pointers will be appreciated a whole lot thanks in advance gary sheutter at t bell labs medicine frozen shoulder and lawn mowing ihave had a frozen shoulder for over a year or about a year it is still partially frozen and i am still in physical therapy every week but the pain has subsided almost completely until last week when i mowed the lawn for twenty minutes each two days in a row i have a push type power mower the pain started back up a little bit for the first time in quite a while and i used ice and medicine again can anybody explain why this particular activity which does not seem to stress me very much generally should cause this shoulder problem thanks alice guns re govt break ins re 60 minutes on a los angeles radio station last weekend the lawyers for the family of the murdered rancher said that the los angeles sheriffs department had an assessment done of the ranchers property before the raid this strongly implies that the sheriffs department wanted the property any drugs which were not found were only an excuse in viet nam lt calley was tried and convicted of murder because his troops in a war setting deliberately killed innocent people it is time that the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to standards at least as moral as the militarys greed killed the rancher possibly greed killed the davidian children government greed it is time to prosecute the leaders who perform these invasions fred franceschi these are my own opinions windows leaking memory resources in 3 1 this may be an faq if so please direct me to the known answer but i am getting frustrated and looking for help i am running win 3 1 with ndw 2 2 on a 486sx with 8 meg of memory and a 6 meg perm swap file and am getting exceedingly frustrated that my applications are not giving back system resources when i close them when i load windows i start with about 83 resources available but many of the application programs i run regularly wpwin 5 2 vb 2 0 winqvt 2 8 lotus organizer etc seem to not return all their resources when i exit them after a day or two of work i often find myself down under 50 of available resources even when i have no applications other than my shell running i am aware this is a known problem what i am looking for are some suggestions of what i might do to mitigate it 1 what software is the culprit win 3 1 ndw my applications are some modes of win 3 1 standard real enhanced better than others at plugging this leak 2 are their system ini switches i can set to help plug this leak 3 do people know of patches or third party software that help with this seems like increasing or better managing system resources is a great market for a third party memory company like qemm 4 if i run progman instead of ndw will the leak subside i was hoping that ndw 2 2 would have plugged this but it seems no different than 2 0 in how it deals with memory and resources 5 when i am writing vb code are there things i can do to make it less likely my code will eat resources 6 any other suggestions that i dont know enough to ask for specifically thanks for your help as this is a common problem and i have seen only a little discussion of it on the net there are probably others who would like to read answers so please publish here rather than sending me email danny daniel david mittleman danny arizona edu 602 621 2932 cars 1989 honda crx for sale my friend david gordon wants to sell his 1989 honda some of the details of th e car are as follows five speed a c am fm cassette stereo ps pb rear window defroster excellent condition asking 6400 00 obo please call him at 708 257 0518 medicine post polio syndrome information needed please ks from keith actrix gen nz keith stewart ks my wife has become interested through an acquaintance in post polio syndrome ks this apparently is not recognised in new zealand and different symptons eg ks chest complaints are treated separately does anone have any information im not sure that this condition is recognised anywhere in the sense of a disease with diagnostic criteria clear boundaries between it and other diseases unique pathologic or physiologic features etc but here goes with what many neurologists agree on post polio syndrome patients have evidence of motor neuron disease by clinical examination emg and muscle biopsy the abnormalities are mostly chronic due to old polio but there is evidence of ongoing deterioration clinically the patients complain of declining strength and endurance with everyday motor tasks musculoskeletal pain is a nearly universal feature that doubtless contributes to the impaired performance the examination shows muscle weakness and atrophy the emg shows evidence of old denervation with reinnervation giant and long duration motor unit action potentials and evidence of active denervation fibrillation potentials the biopsy also shows old denervation with reinnervation fiber type grouping and evidence of active denervation small angulated fibers with dense oxidative enzyme staining but curiously little or no group atrophy post polio patients do not have als in als there is clinically evident deterioration from one month to the next in post polio the patients are remarkably stable in objective findings from one year to the next of course there are patients who had polio before who develop genuine als but als is no more common among polio survivors than among people who never had polio the cause of post polio syndrome is unknown there is little evidence that post polio patients have active polio virus or destructive immunologic response to virus antigen there is no solid evidence that patients with post polio have anything different happening to the motor unit anterior horn cells motor axons neuromuscular junctions and muscle fibers than patients with old polio who are not complaining of deterioration both groups can have the same emg and biopsy findings the reason for these acute changes in a chronic disease old polio is unknown possibly spinal motor neurons that have reinnervated huge numbers of muscle fibers start shedding the load after several years there are a couple of clinical features that distinguish post polio syndrome patients from patients with old polio who deny deterioration the pps patients are more likely to have had severe polio the pps patients are much more likely to complain of pain they also tend to score higher on depression scales of neuropsychologic tests my take on this im sure some will disagree after recovery from severe polio there can be abnormal loading on muscles tendons ligaments bones and joints that leads to inflammatory and or degenerative conditions affecting these structures the increasing pain superimposed on the chronic but unchanging weakness leads to progressive impairment of motor performance and adl i am perhaps biased by personal experience of having never seen a pps patient who was not limited in some way by pain i do not believe that pps patients have more rapid deterioration of motor units than non pps patients i e those with old polio of similar severity but without pps complaints slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 1993apr15 184452 27322 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman writes in article 93104 231049u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes all your points are very well taken and things that i havent considered as i am not really familiar enough with handguns thats not all that kratz doesnt know k guys guys and gals lets lay off jason here though he stepped in it he has been very good so far about admitting he doesnt know what hes talking about and even more stunning is that he seems anmar mirza chief of tranquility my opinions notius ciansakgbfbi emt d base lawrence co in legalize explosives assasinatedea n9isy tech somewhere out on the politicians prefer naziplutonium networks tech mirza ranch cmon over unarmed peasants presidentfema cars auto wax having recently purchased a 93 probe with clear coat paint i would like to give it a good wax job what is the best type of wax to use for this type of finish is paste or liquid better i would be waxing it by hand and buffing it by hand i guess using cheesecloth to buff it anything better you would suggest ive heard comments here before about things like turtle wax and raindance not being very good so im wondering what is recommended for a quality finish thanks in advance bill bill heiser heiser acs bu edu heiser world std com boston university boston ma cars re curious about the porsche i drove ak954 yfn ysu edu albion h bowers writes in a previous article wade nb rockwell com wade guthrie says takaharu mail sas upenn edu taka mizutani writes in article 1993apr13 160535 20123 progress com damelio progress com stephen damelio wrote i wrote this is consistent with the pre 74 911 the engine before that was a 2 2 litre or less depending on how early you go and got its power at high revs starting slowly at about 3k and jumping up at around 5k with a narrow band the 74 was a 3 litre and had a lot of smog equipment if you got much power at all itd be better distributed through the rev range bzzzt wrong answer it really depends on whether you are talking model year or date of manufacture for instance mine was a 67 but was manufactured in august of 66 prior to 1970 all 911s were 2 o liter for the 70 and 71 model years they were 2 2 liter for the 1972 and 1973 model years they were 2 4 liter except for the 73 carerra rs which was a 2 7 liter the 74 and later years were easily identified by the new 5 mph bumpers most models in the 74 year were 2 7 lietsr except the carerra rsr which was a 3 0 liter us carerras from 74 were 2 7 liter models in 78 they went to 3 0 liter and there was only a single model the sc think of it as a cross between the s and the carerra models note all the above are based on model year not date of manufacture i stand corrected this is all from memory mind you as for the rev happy behavior the earlier cars are even more prone to this the 2 4 liter cars used low compression engines and suffered a bit in this regard the early 3 0 liter and 2 7 liter engines also got a good dose of smog gear as well the 2 0 and 2 2 liter engines were far and away the quickest revvers of the lot yeah thats what i was trying to say no really wade guthrie trying to program on ms dos is like trying wade nb rockwell com to shave with a chain saw me be not speaking for the rock baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1993apr16 200100 23703 scott skidmore edu jrogoff scott skidmore edu jay rogoff writes there is a book that you can find in sale catalogues occasionally called jewish baseball stars and baseball mavin peter bjarkman has compiled a pretty definitive list of jewish ballplayers in the bigs i wish i hadnt sold my copy of jewish baseball stars its a short shelf i e the one on top of the toilet tank special the writing in that books is so astonishingly awful every sportswriting cliche taken to the nth degree and then mangled that its funny rusinow is the author i think roger cars my day in court results a while back i asked for help in defending a traffic ticket i received in short the ticket was for not stopping at a stop sign given the conditions i could not stop in time and decided instead of sliding right through the intersection i would complete my right turn and avoid a possible accident a police cruiser happened to be approaching the intersection from my left and gave me the ticket the officer said the only reason that you even slowed down in the first place was that you saw me approaching otherwise you would have bombed right through i would like to thank all those who responded favorably to my request for help to all of those who told me to bite the bullet and pay the fine phghghghgh the judge sided with me and decided that in this case not stopping was the safest thing to do and found me not guilty the officers statement and my account of the conditions at the time very slippery backed by newpaper weather conditions were the factors what made the judge decide on his verdict moral if you have never been to court before and you think you have a case go for it it is a very interesting process and it is there for your benefit exercise your rights trev name trevor paquette landmark ita fahrvergnuegen email tpaquette ita lgc com calgary alberta canada visitor from cyberspace 403 269 4669 g60 renegade of virtual reality include disclaimer h o o medicine re opinions on allergy hay fever shots in article 1rhb0e 9ks europa eng gtefsd com draper gnd1 wtp gtefsd com pam draper says this homeopathic remedies i tried the dander one for a month 15 drops three times a day i didnt notice any change whats so ever how long were you using the drops before you noticed a difference it is not a homeopathic remedy improvement began in a few months i am allergic to bermuda grass and if anyone nearby was mowing a lawn my nose would start to run now i can walk right by and it doesnt bother me at all the same success with desert ragweed bruce long guns re arlen specters address in article 1993apr22 143329 4296 ccsvax sfasu edu f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu writes in article 1993apr22 142540 20687 icd ab com kdw icd ab com kenneth d whitehead writes anybody got arlen spectres address i want to write to him and thank him for showing the leadership to demand a congressional investigation into the waco mess ken you are talking about the man who as a federal attorney did so much to frustrate the proper investigation of the jfk assassination by the house sub committee on assassinations fox and hen house please note that my above comment was not intended as a flame of kens call for congressional leadership to conduct a proper investigation it was merely to call attention to the hazard of having specter involved if anyone took it that way i apologize joe gaut in the super state it really does not f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter at all what actually happened remember the alamo truth is what the government chooses to remember waco tell you justice is what it wants to happen jim garrison new orleans la guns re waco fire in article 1993apr23 181301 8500 mnemosyne cs du edu rcanders nyx cs du edu mr nice guy writes flash over is a frequent occurrence with indoor fires a fire will start small and in one location and heat the air the temperature in the room builds up and then everything inflammable in the room catches fire at once this may have occurred in the bd compound i have heard reports that the windows were covered which would permit a fire to start unnoticed by those outside the compound when the fire got big enough and broke through the walls it appeared to be started in two places but was really one big fire the houston chronicle last thursday maybe wednesday said that the interior of walls had been covered with hay bales to help protect against bullets many of you know how fast dry hay burns because of the large quantities of tear gas inserted into the building it is possible that many of the women and children were in a room free of tear gas they would try to seal the door to keep out the tear gas when they learned that a fire had broken out it was too late for them to escape they were trapped by the flames in their safe room in addition the gas is specifically designed to force eyes closed and the victim to vomit how fast could you leave your burning office or home if your eyes were closed and you were retching violently i find it hard to believe that the fbi was not recording the final assault i think that they would have wanted to have tapes to show their agents of the the fbi overcoming the forces of evil aka the branch davidians the tapes would also allow the fbi to prove that they were not using excessive force thomas rush compaq computer corporation thomasr cpqhou compaq com their employee not their opinions candidate for misd magnolia texas school board seat 5 may 1 1993 baseball re players rushed to majors in article 93122 hydra gatech edu re4 prism gatech edu russell earnest writes this brings back the long suffering memories of pre chop braves fans who kept being promised the bob horner dale murphy back to back power slam who could stop that guess well never know why not horner played 130 games in 1985 and hit 27 hr murphy played 162 and hit 37 in 1986 horner hit 27 in 141 games and murphy hit 29 in 160 games and the braves lost 96 and 89 games john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu medicine re oily skin problem in article 1993apr5 044140 1 vaxc stevens tech edu u92 hwong vaxc stevens tech edu writes hi there i have a very oily skin my problem is when i wash my face it becomes oily in half an hour especially in the nose region is this an illness how can i prevent it from occuring in such short time is there a cleanser out there that will do a better job that is after cleaning my face wont become oily in such a short time thank you for any suggestion if this is a disease everyone should have it my skin has always been oily i used to say if i were hot enough you could fry an egg on my oily face i am now 50 yrs old and my skin looks younger im told than some peoples skin at 30 its still oily i have only a very few tiny wrinkles thank your lucky stars for that skin cars re changing brake fluid is it necessary i agree with jeffs reply ive never changed the brake fluid except when having a brake job which is usually at around 80 000 miles alot of freeway driving however i will start to do this as preventative maintenance on my new car also there are brake system flushing agents that can be used but the problem is that if any of the agent is left in the system it can cause problems so its been recommended not to use them unless you are 100 certain that you can remove all of the flushing agent just for your info i was quoted a price of labor 29 95 and fluid 9 95 for flushing the brake system this in conjunction with a break job so i dont know if it was more without the brake job this is in the s f bay area cars re did us drive on the left desotos first year of manufacture was 1928 so this may indeed have been an export special as left hand controls were standard here by then baseball alomar vs baerga i was hoping to stay out of this lyford frosty beverage writes uh yes baerga has a lot of flash but alomar was the better hitter last year batters ba slg obp g ab r h tb 2b 3b hr rbi bb so sb cs e baerga c 312 455 354 161 657 92 205 299 32 1 20 105 35 76 10 2 19 alomar r 310 427 405 152 571 105 177 244 27 8 8 76 87 52 49 9 5 this is fascinating you say that alomar was the better hitter last year and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that baerga had a better year the only category that i see which shows an advantage for alomar is obp well obp is the most important offensive statistic and by a big margin 50 points of obp is worth considerably more than 50 points of slugging that being said i still think baerga was very slightly better last year but i think this is as close to a wash as youre likely to find i personally dont care much for alomars defense i dont think hes nearly as good as people make him out to be and he cant turn the dp to save his life he comes across the bag improperly and his release is slow considering the high leverage of the dp this is a shortcoming i cant overlook in the long term id move alomar to another position if the jays could trade a hot devon white for something ill be alomar could be a hell of a cf in the long run i think id rather have jeff kent at 2b and alomar in cf than alomar white gary huckabay you think thats loud enough a hole movie rights well if youre having trouble hearing it sir available thru id be happy to turn it up for you i didnt ted frank know that many people your age liked kings x cars re warning please read in article 1993apr16 091938 6821 hasler ascom ch kevinh hslrswi hasler ascom ch kevinh writes in article c5h7qz kya boi hp com wesf boi hp com wes fujii writes brian larose larose austin cs utk edu wrote i never saw the guy the police said they thought the motive was to hit the car have us stop to check out the damage and then jump us and take the truck please be aware of folks and for your own good please dont stop sad this sort of thing is on the rise across the country south florida is getting a lot of national tv coverage on the subject where vacationers are being attacked and some killed in schemes similar to this make that worldwide coverage i know numerous people who were planning holidays to the florida and have now chosen another non us destination you expect this sort of thing perhaps in third world countries but not the us in response to this and other articles that have been written on this subject i would like to say that it is not just a us problem in southern ontario last summer there were several instances along the 401 where people mainly truckers were shot at from overpasses there are many sick people out there and it makes you wonder what the worlds coming to kevinh hasler ascom ch windows emm386 exe and windows and dos6 in windows i created a permanent swap file of 7771kb as win3 1 recommended me to do that 32bit access if i use emm386 exe after win3 1 startup i have 6689k of memory free if i leave emm386 exe out of my config sys i have 9935k of memory free and windows recommends me a swap file of 11769k i use dos6 with memmaker have 4mb of internal memory and a 486dx does anybody knows why this is happening possibly win needs some umbs to manage virtual memory if true which umbs those that emm386 can find without including suspicious parts i need an optimized dos environment because i develop applications for dos using a windows programming environment rudi medicine re use of haldol in elderly in article westesc60xqf 59r netcom com westes netcom com will estes writes does anyone know of research done on the use of haldol in the elderly does short term use of the drug ever produce long term side effects after the use of the drug my grandmother recently had to be hospitalized and was given large doses of haldol for several weeks although the drug has been terminated she has changed from a perky slightly senile woman into a virtual vegetable who does not talk to anyone and who cannot even eat or brush her teeth without assistance it seems incredible to me that such changes could take place in the course of just one and one half months i have to believe that the combination of the hospital stay and some drug s are in part catalysts for this any comments will estes internet westes netcom com haldol one of the wonder drugs that works wonders if youre a carrot that is henry dunham chip emt d nremt coordinator of ems operations houston field house ems hd0022 albnyvms bitnet baseball re best first basemen in article 1993apr22 144327 52161 ns1 cc lehigh edu ch00 ns1 cc lehigh edu chris hartzell writes in article 1993apr20 102857 1 tesla njit edu drm6640 tesla njit edu writes don mattingly is the best first baseman in the history of baseball always has been always will be don is good but so was keith hernandez i just heard don talk about how he learned how to be a good fielder by talking and watching keith play jt snow guns re 2nd amendment dead good in article 1993apr18 001319 2340 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes the bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary opponents those who posessa a cool jakcet you want those who would argue with you about a parking space those who would take your woman in short trivial and worthless causes thats open for debate certainly an excessive number of people are murdered every year but people also do save innocent lives with firearms the media just dont tell us when it happens too much of this has ruined you cause there is no recovery in the near future federal martials will come for your arms i think there are more of us than there are federal marshalls no one will help you you are more dangerous to their thinking than the criminal this is your own fault crap its simplistic thinking on the part of feather headed dolts the 2nd amendment is dead accept this find another way nuts don medicine depression some of the mds in this newsgroup have been riding my butt pretty good maybe in some cases with good reason in this post on depression im laying it all out ill continue to post here because i think that i have some knowledge that could be useful once you have read this post you should know where im coming from when i post again in the future in article 123552 netnews upenn edu lchaplyn mail sas upenn edu lida chaplynsky writes a family member of mine is suffering from a severe depression brought on by menopause as well as a mental break down she is being treated with halydol with some success but the treatments being provided through her psychiatrist are not satisfactory someone suggested contacting a nutritionist to discuss alternative treatment since she is sensitive to medication i think this is a good suggestion but dont know where to begin if anyone can suggest a philly area nutritionist or else some literature to read id appreciate it lida i can emphasize with your situation both my wife and i suffered from bouts of depression hers was brought on by breast cancer and mine was a rebound stress reaction to her modified radical mastectomy and chemotherapy lida i used my knowledge of nutrition to get her through her six months of chemotherapy with the approval of her oncologist when severe depression set in a few months after the chemo stopped i tried to use supplements to bring her out of it i had cured her pms using supplements and i really thought that i knew enough about the role of diet in depression to take care of her depression as well it didnt work and she was put on prozac by her oncologist two winters ago three years after by wifes breast cancer i got hit with severe depression pretty typical and one reason why many marriages break up after breast cancer or another stressor i tried to take care of it for several months with supplementation didnt work my internist ended up putting me on prozac i was going to give you a list of several studies that have been done using b6 niacin folate and b12 to cure depression im not going to do that because all you would be doing is flying blind like i was lida i do believe that depression can have a dietary component but the problem is that you need to know exactly what the problem is and then use an approach which will fix the problem for chemotherapy i knew exactly what drugs were going to be used and exactly what nutrients would be affected same thing for pms i was flying blind for both of these stressors but the literature that i used to devise a treatment program was pretty good depression is just too complicated what you really need is a nutritional scan this is not a diet analysis but an analysis of your bodies nutrient reserves for every vitamin and mineral except vitamin c you have a reserve the rda is not designed to give you enough of any nutrient to keep these reserves full it is only designed to keep them from being emptied which would cause clinical pathology stress will increase your need for many vitamins and minerals this is when your reserves become very important lida without your permission im going to use your post as a conduit to try to explain to the readers in this group and sci med where im coming from i have taught a course on human nutrition in one of the osteopathic medical schools for ten years now ive written my own textbook because none was available what i teach is not a rehash of biochemistry i preach nutrient reserves yes my lectures in this course are referred to by my students as sermons here is what i cover indroduction and carbohydrates lipids proteins i proteins ii energy balance evaluation of nutritional status i a clinical perspective evaluation of nutritional status ii evaluation of nutritional a biochemical perspective status iii homework assignment using the nutritionist iv diet and fitness analysis software program weight control food fads and facts age related change in nutrient requirements food additives contaminants and cancer drug nutrient interactions mineral and water balance sodium potassium and chloride calcium magnesium and phosphorus iron zinc and copper iodine and fluoride other trace minerals vitamin a vitamin e vitamins d and k vitamin c thiamin and niacin riboflavin and pyridoxine pantothenic and folic acids biotin and b12 other nutrient factors enteral nutrition parenteral nutrition every three years i spend my entire summer reviewing the medical literature to find material that i can use in my nutrition textbook i last did this in the summer of 1991 i read everything that i can find and then sit down and rewrite my lecture handouts which are bound in three separate books that have 217 237 and 122 pages opposite each page of written text which i write myself ive pulled figures tables and graphs from various copyrighted sources since this material is only being used for educational purposes i can get around the copyright laws so far i can not send this material out to newsgroup readers as ive been asked to do i am now in the process of trying to get a grant to setup a nutrition assessment lab this is the last peice of the nutrition puzzle that i need to make my education program complete this lab will let me measure the nutrient reserve for almost all the vitamins and minerals that are known to be required in humans the mayo clinic already uses a similiar lab to design supplement programs for their cancer patients cancer treatment centers of america which is a private for profit organization with hospitals in illinois and oklahoma tulsa also operates a nutritional assessment clinical lab i also believe that the pritikin clinic in california has a similiar lab setup for physicians reading this post i would suggest that you get the new clinical nutrition textbook that has just been published feb by mosby i have been using alpers manual of nutritional therapeutics a little brown series book as a supplemental text for my course but alpers is geared more to residency training two m ds have written this new clinical nutrition textbook and it is geared more towards medical student education and it does a good job of covering the lab tests that can be run to assess a patients nutritional status let me quote a few sentences from the preface of this new text so called nutrition specialists were in reality gastroenterologists hematologists or pediatricians who just happened to profess some knowledge of nutrition as it related to their field of practice unfortunately about two thirds of the medical schools in the united states require no formal instruction in nutrition but times and medical practice have changed more than half of the leading causes of death in this country are nutrition related this monograph should accomplish the following two objectives 1 it should complement your medical training by emphasizing the relevance of nutrition to your medical practice and 2 it should heighten your awareness of nutrition as a medical speciality that is vitally important for both disease prevention and the treatment of diseases of essentially every organ system roland l weinsier md drph lida my advise to you is that you tell your family members to try to find a physician who has an understanding of the role that vitamins and minerals yes even magnesium may play a role in depression play in depression and who could get a nutritional profile run menopause is often a time when women suffer depression there are a lot of hormonal changes that are occuring but they are not the same ones that occur during pms a nutritionist may also be able to help not too long ago a poster mentioned that his nutritionist had diagnosed a selenium deficiency based on a red cell glutathionine peroxidase test the specific test for the selenium reserve most clinical labs will not run this test and i advised him to try to make sure that the lab that did the test was certified there are also a lot of hair and nail analysis labs setup to do trace mineral analysis but these labs are not regulated checks of these labs using certified standards and also those doing water lead analysis showed some pretty shoddy testing was going on if you or anyone else finds someone who will run these speciality nutrition tests make sure that they are using a lab that has been certified under clia the clinical laboratory improvement act a diet analysis may be helpful since many nutrient reserves have been shown to correlate fairly well with the dietary intake as monitored by food logging and software analysis nutritionist iv and other software programs but there are still about half of the nutrients required by humans that do not show a very good correlation between apparent dietary intake and reserve status until we have more nutritional assessment clinical labs in operation in the u s and physicians who have been trained how to use the nutritional profile that these labs provide to devise a treatment approach that uses diet changes and supplementation anti depressants will probably continue to be the best approach to depression martin banschbach ph d professor of biochemistry and chairman department of biochemistry and microbiology osu college of osteopathic medicine without discourse there is no remembering without remembering there is no learning without learning there is only ignorance cars re looking to buy dodge stealth have questions in article 1993apr2 030031 15691 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article 1993apr1 104746 usho72 hou281 chevron com hhtra usho72 hou281 chevron com t m haddock writes i found a mopar spec sheet this weekend model wgt hp stealth 3086 164 stealth es 3186 222 stealth rt 3373 222 stealth rt tt 3803 300 okay ill take their word for it i am giving every chance to retract figures widely known the mustang is rated at 205 222 205 is 17 you have a 17hp advantage over a mustang seems that the 1993 mustang 5 0 is rated at 205 hp only because ford changed its testing procedures under the older procedures it still rates closer to 225 hp that means that the mustang has 3 hp more and you still havent posted any weight figures for the mustang big threat you are kod by a civic acording to c d yeah sure in your wet dreams and thats probably where you got that 11 2 second 0 60 for the stealth ill check c ds 5 91 issue strange that you claim to have that go ahead and check asshole youll realize what an idiot you are for not checking data beforeposting car drive may 91 stealth es 222hp automatic for 3 posts now youve been harping on this may 1991 issue of car driver without posting any numbers why not because they prove me right and you aint got the guts to admit it yeah thought so the sentra se r really is alot quicker than the 222hp fwd sports car you are close to the 9k sentra e go look up the numbers in c d and report please no im going to play your game no way sentras are slow i took a test drive and it took 21 7 to go 0 50 why even the hyundai excel blows it doors off any 12 yr old knows that i race and ill kick your butt blah blah blah lets see yep that sounds just like you oh man i just got it beavis butthead thats you who would buy a fwd automatic that costs 20k that is capable of only a 15 8 and would plainly be dusted by a se r i dunno why did you but why would someone pick the dodge stealth rt over the nissan sentra all it takes is one look travis windows re adaptec scsi device driver for win3 1 medicine result misc health diabetes passes 155 14 voting for creation of the newsgroup misc health diabetes ended at 23 59 gmt on 29 apr 93 at this time the total response received consisted of 155 votes for newsgroup creation and 14 votes against newsgroup creation under the guidelines for usenet group creation this response constitutes a passing vote there will be a delay to allow time for the net to respond to this result after which the newsgroup misc health diabetes should be created please check the vote acknowledgement list to be sure that your vote was received and properly credited any inconsistencies or errors should be reported to swkirch sun6850 nrl navy mil by email i want to thank everyone who participated in the discussion and vote for 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diabetes are welcome 2 postings to misc heath diabetes are intended to be for discussion purposes only and are in no way to be construed as medical advice diabetes is a serious medical condition requiring direct supervision by a primary health care physician end of charter steve kirchoefer 202 767 2862 code 6851 kirchoefer estd nrl navy mil naval research laboratory microwave technology branch washington dc 20375 5000 electronics sci and tech division baseball sax any more news on steves status since he lost the starting job would be appreciated thanks gwyn medicine re annual inguinal hernia repair in article jpc 735692207 avdms8 msfc nasa gov jpc avdms8 msfc nasa gov j porter clark wrote synopsis young man with inguianl hernia on one side repaired now has new hernia on other side what gives he asks and he continues of course my wife thinks its from sitting for long periods of time at the computer reading news there is the possibility that there is some degree of constipation causing chronic straining which has caused the bowel movements the classic problems that are supposed to be looked for in someone with a hernia are constipation chronic cough colon cancer and youre not too young for that and sitting for long periods of time at the computer reading news good luck with your surgery steve holland baseball re red sox mailing list query in article sfoixme00wb2qbulsk andrew cmu edu robert ward rw23 andrew cmu edu writes a friend in england is looking for a red sox mailing list if you know of such a list could you please send me mail with some info thank you i would be veru interested also if there is one could someone please send me some info dan acsddc umassd edu guns re ban all firearms woops im not sure if i screwed up but this is either forgery or some sort of mistake aborted post that didnt abort on my part bogus article below if seen in another post should be ignored iftccu talk politics guns bressler iftccu ca boeing com rick bressler 3 29 pm apr 13 1993 iftccu talk politics guns papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca paul prescod 1 49 am apr 12 1993 in article 92468 hydra gatech edu gt6511a prism gatech edu cochrane james shapleigh writes i certainly hope this is somebodys idea of a joke as poor as it it my earlier posting mentioning an illegal firearms manufacturing site being searched for by the feds in the florida area was evidently ignored lets look at this critically 1 how many guns did this illegal manufacturing site make compared to and so on sorry rick guns re fbi directors statement on waco standoff cescript mtu edu charles scripter writes oh how about the press if the batf fbi were going to shoot people leaving a burning building dont you think they would get rid of the press first oh you mean something like moving the press back to a single location 2 miles away from the compound the press was allowing that doesnt count as getting rid of the press getting rid of the press would mean getting them far enough away so that they wouldnt be able to see what is going on tim smith baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr19 160012 24850 sni ca dave snitor sni ca dave till writes i dont think it was that obvious at the time that viola was better morris and viola had comparable k ip ratios in 1991 viola was coming off an injury whereas morris was healthy at the time i didnt really want the sox to sign either i was more than a little worried about violas elbow but you surely remember my shout of relief when after a week of rumors that morris was coming to the red sox they ended up with viola instead now im even happier viola seems to have rebounded nicely also morris was willing to sign for only two years the jays dont like to sign pitchers to long term contracts which i think is a sensible policy how long did viola sign for three years i generally agree with their policy of avoiding long term contracts for pitchers but i think they enforce it rather too strictly these days the premier pitchers all sign three or four year deals which leaves the jays with morris and stewart if the jays want to compete for top free agent pitchers they will have to accept greater risks any idea what the option year deal is for morris are there any automatic activation clauses what is the buyout amount f cheers valentine guns re texas hb 1776 voting is today in article 1rgolainnqjf tamsun tamu edu dlb5404 tamuts tamu edu daryl biberdorf writes i just called texas legislative bill tracking service and found out that hb 1776 concealed carry is scheduled for a floor vote today let those phone calls roll in well i dont normally like to quote myself but i just got some additional information i called my state rep to express my support and the person there informed me that its actually just a second reading of the bill three are required for further consideration im not 100 sure what that means and im also not sure why theres a discrepancy between what the two offices are telling me still researching daryl daryl biberdorf n5gjm d biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura medicine re eye dominance nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye writes reply to rsilver world std com richard silver is there a right eye dominance eyedness as there is an overall right handedness in the population i mean do most people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the other if so what kinds of percentages can be attached to this thanks there is an eyedness analogous to handedness but it has nothing to do with refractive error to see whether you are right or left eyed roll up a sheet of paper into a tube and hold it up to either eye like a telescope the eye that you feel more comfortable putting it up to is your dominant eye refractive error is often different in the two eyes but has no correlation with handedness david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell what do you mean more comfortable putting it up to that seems a bit hard to evaluate at least for me it is stare straight point with both hands together and clasp so that only the pointer fingers are pointing straight forward to a a spot on the wall about eight feet away first stare at the spot with both eyes open now close your left eye now open your left eye now close your right eye now open your right eye if the image jumped more when you closed your right eye you are right eye dominant if the image jumped more when you closed your left eye you are left eye dominant deantha windows roman bmp 13 14 part 13 of 14 mtm 3v9f0 7ey 7ez n lj gk w 1t ei 6ei 6e1t 1z4 i 51z4 m v q ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax 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ax ax max ax ax 3 9f9f z6ei 6ei4 1 w giz bj 7 yd tm 2 mtm 3t 3t 9f9 p p yf9f9f9 3t 3v9 uz nrizwt e9f 3 q m 8 ax ax ax as ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax qq 0q 3 q 3 3 q 0qax ax ax ax ax ax ax q 3 mq q 3 qax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax 3 f9 ne1 z bj n m 7 9 3w2 end of part 13 of 14 windows re tidying up after removing an ole server in article c5y121 kz3 liverpool ac uk qq43 liverpool ac uk chris wooff writes a while ago i installed spss for windows as part of an evaluation once the evaluation was complete i duly deleted the software from my pc unfortunately there is still a ghost of spss left when i run something like write and go to embed an object then spss chart appears on the list of objects im offered i looked around all the obvious ini files without success the next thing i tried was looking for the string spss chart in every file in the windows directory it turned up in a file called req dat or reg dat unfortunately the file was binary and so i didnt feel inclined to edit it id welcome a solution for removing spss from the list of ole servers chris wooff c wooff liverpool ac uk you can edit that file with a utility that comes with windows 3 1 called regedit registration info editor bob hodge im going fishing you got worms yeah but im going anyway windows re ms windows access for the blind in article mtrottie 64 0 emr1 emr ca mtrottie emr1 emr ca marc trottier writes in article 1993apr22 172514 13025 cci632 cci com jfb cci632 cci com john bruno writes from jfb cci632 cci com john bruno subject ms windows access for the blind date thu 22 apr 1993 17 25 14 gmt we are developing an ms windows based product that uses a full screen window to display 24 rows of textual data is there any product for microsoft windows that will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently quickly please email responses and i will post a summary to this group thanks for any help john bruno apparently microsoft came out with a new product ms braille it is suppose to be wytiwig no offense marc trottier mtrottie emr1 emr ca at the micro oft display at fose there were a few computers running windows and win apps for the blind i think didnt pay much attention to it but it was there mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd baseball re braves giants a case study of their weaknesses in article 186209 pyramid pyramid com pcollac pyrnova mis pyramid com paul collacchi writes btw what is the story with brian hunter is he in the dog house paul collacchi no brians hurt his hand i think he started saturdays game but was taken out its far too early to populate the dog house although bedrock was seen with a milkbone read that to memory and process it russell earnest georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp allegra amd hplabs seismo ut ngp gatech prism re4 arpa russell earnest housing gatech edu religion re a kind and loving god in article 1r1ma9innno7 owl csrv uidaho edu lanph872 crow csrv uidaho edu rob lanphier writes malcolm lee mlee post royalroads ca wrote do you consider neo nazis and white supremists to be christian id hardly classify them as christian do they follow the teachings of christ love one another love your neighbour as yourself love your enemies is jesus christ their lord and saviour by the persecution of jews they are violating all the precepts of what christ died for they are in direct violation of the teachings of christ even jesus who was crucified by the jewish leaders of that time loved his enemies by asking the father for forgiveness of their sins i am a christian and i bear no animosity towards jews or any one else the enemy is satan not our fellow man in mark 16 16 jesus is quoted as saying whoever believes and is baptized will be saved but whoever does not believe will be condemned i consider most neo nazis and white supremisists to be christians because a they say they are b they feel it necessary to justify their actions with the bible where does it say in the bible that christians are supposed to persecute jews isnt it love your enemies instead they may say they are christian but do their actions speak differently do you believe what everyone tells you i dont i came to believe in god by my own investigation and conclusions and ultimately by my own choice salvation however was granted only through the grace of god the bible provides us with no clear definition of what a christian is it tells us what a christian should do but then it goes on to say that as long as you believe your sins will be forgiven to be a christian is to model oneself after jesus christ as implied by the very name christian if you say you believe in your head but do not feel in your heart what does that say of your belief white supremisists and neo nazis may not be your brand of christian but by believing in christ they are christian white supremists and neo nazis are not any brand of christian if you hate your whom you can see then how can you love god whom you cannot see what does this belief entail believing in christ and having your sins forgiven in his name does not give a christian a free licence to sin to repent of a sin is to ask forgiveness of that sin and try not to do it again i am a christian but if you lump me in with racists and accuse me of being such then are you not pre judging me btw i am of chinese racial background and i know what it is to be part of a visible minority in this country i dont think that i would be favourably looked upon by these white supremist christians as you call them anyone can say what they believe but if they dont practice what they preach then their belief is false do you concur now for your original statement what bothers me most is why people who have no religious affiliation continue to persecute jews why this hatred of jews the majority of people who persecute jews are not christians i cant speak for all christians and there are bound to be a few who are on the anti semitism bandwagon you imply here that it is predominately atheists and agnostics who persecute jews i am hard pressed to think of even an example of jewish persecution in the hands of atheists agnostics nazis and racists in general are the ones that come to my immediate attention what i believe is that such people may be using the bible to mask their racial intolerance and bigotry they can do as they do and hide behind christianity but i tell you that jesus would have nothing to do with them about the only one that comes to mind would be in the former soviet union where many religious people suffered some sort of persecution not to mention many atheist agnostics who suffered persecution for believing the government sucked no arguement there rob lanphier lanph872 uidaho edu the only point im trying to make is that those who call themselves christian may not be christian i ask that you draw your own conclusions by what they do and what they say if they are not modelled after the example of jesus christ then they are not christian if they have not repented of their sins and accepted jesus christ as their personal lord and saviour then they are not christian these are the only criteria to being a christian may god be with you malcolm lee windows re anyone know stackers email address does anybody know if stacker has a e mail address and if so what it is i know they have a bbs and something on compuserve but im hoping someone knows their e mail address john white from stac electronics can be reached at compuserv as 72370 1005 for me 72370 1005 compuserve com would as email address work from internet internet ffritze hpwbe007 wad hp com phone germany 7243 602296 address fromut fritze waldbronn analytic division r d hewlett packard str d 7517 waldbronn 2 germany cars selling a car through a car hunter anybody got any good bad experience with selling their car through one of those car hunters im selling a 1991 dodge stealth r t and i was contacted by this company called the markham group based out of illinois they said they have 7 10 buyers in my area interested in my car or they wouldnt be talking to me they talked to me for a good 20 minutes asking everything about my car and said they could sell it no problem they guaranteed that if they didnt sell my car in 75 days i would get my money back 389 and since i charged it im protected by federal law which states that if im not satisfied i would get a refund which is true they federal expressed all the paperwork to me which had a contract stating their policy about the 75 days and such i called up the bbb in illinois and they do not have a file on them which is good news so they definitely are a legitimate company but so far its been over week and i have gotten nothing so how effective are these types of companies anybody care to share their experiences religion re clarification of personal position in article c5muiw aqc mailer cc fsu edu dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu darius lecointe writes if it were a sin to violate sunday no one could ever be forgiven for that for jesus never kept sunday holy he only recognized one day of the seven as holy jesus also recognized other holy days like the passover acts 15 says that no more should be layed on the gentiles than that which is necessary the sabbath is not in the list nor do any of the epistles instruct people to keep the 7th day while christians were living among people who did not keep the 7th day it looks like that would have been a problem instead we have scriptures telling us that all days can be esteemed alike romans 14 5 and that no man should judge us in regard to what kind of food we eat jewish holy days we keep or in regard to the sabbath col 2 the question is on what authority do we proclaim that the requirements of the fourth commandment are no longer relevant to modern christians i dont think that the sabbath or any other command of the law is totally irrelevant to modern christians but what about collosions 2 where it says that we are not to be judged in regard to the keeping of the sabbath link hudson windows truetype oem font with line drawing characters etc wanted title says it all im in need of a truetype oem character set font ie one that contains the line drawing and other characters in the pc character set similar to those you get when running a text mode application if anyone could point me at such a thing id be grateful the only oem fonts included with windows are not truetype regards colin manning baseball mlb standings and scores for tue apr 6th 1993 mlb standings and scores for tuesday april 6th 1993 including yesterdays games national west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road atlanta braves 01 00 1 000 1 0 won 1 00 00 01 00 cincinnati reds 01 00 1 000 1 0 won 1 01 00 00 00 san diego padres 00 00 000 0 5 0 0 00 00 00 00 san francisco giants 00 00 000 0 5 0 0 00 00 00 00 colorado rockies 00 01 000 1 0 0 1 lost 1 00 00 00 01 houston astros 00 01 000 1 0 0 1 lost 1 00 01 00 00 los angeles dodgers 00 01 000 1 0 0 1 lost 1 00 00 00 01 national east florida marlins 01 00 1 000 1 0 won 1 01 00 00 00 new york mets 01 00 1 000 1 0 won 1 01 00 00 00 philadelphia phillies 01 00 1 000 1 0 won 1 00 00 01 00 pittsburgh pirates 00 00 000 0 5 0 0 00 00 00 00 st louis cardinals 00 00 000 0 5 0 0 00 00 00 00 chicago cubs 00 01 000 1 0 0 1 lost 1 00 01 00 00 montreal expos 00 01 000 1 0 0 1 lost 1 00 00 00 01 american west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road oakland athletics 01 00 1 000 1 0 won 1 01 00 00 00 texas rangers 01 00 1 000 1 0 won 1 00 00 01 00 california angels 00 00 000 0 5 0 0 00 00 00 00 chicago white sox 00 00 000 0 5 0 0 00 00 00 00 minnesota twins 00 00 000 0 5 0 0 00 00 00 00 seattle mariners 00 00 000 0 5 0 0 00 00 00 00 kansas city royals 00 01 000 1 0 0 1 lost 1 00 01 00 00 american east boston red sox 01 00 1 000 1 0 won 1 00 00 01 00 new york yankees 01 00 1 000 1 0 won 1 00 00 01 00 milwaukee brewers 00 00 000 0 5 0 0 00 00 00 00 toronto blue jays 00 00 000 0 5 0 0 00 00 00 00 baltimore orioles 00 01 000 1 0 0 1 lost 1 00 01 00 00 cleveland indians 00 01 000 1 0 0 1 lost 1 00 01 00 00 detroit tigers 00 01 000 1 0 0 1 lost 1 00 00 00 01 yesterdays scores national league american league montreal 1 new york 9 cincinnati 2 cleveland 1 atlanta 1 texas 7 chicago 0 baltimore 4 los angeles 3 boston 3 florida 6 kansas city 1 philadelphia 3 detroit 4 houston 1 oakland 9 colorado 0 california idle new york 3 chicago idle pittsburgh idle milwaukee idle st louis idle minnesota idle san diego idle seattle idle san franciscoidle toronto idle joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors do you think a 200 tax evasion justifies an armed assault by the government with 100 armed men in trailers orchestrated character assassination noise torture and a holocaust shit im going to be a lot more carefull filling by income tax jim shirreffs cars re im getting a car i need opinions in article 1993apr17 175451 30896 ns1 cc lehigh edu ip02 ns1 cc lehigh edu danny phornprapha writes i have 30 000 as my budget im looking for a sports or gt car what do you think would be the best buy well for a bit more you could get an mazda rx 7 definitely a best for under 30k youre stuck with in no particular order chevy camaro z28 lt1 1 ponitac firebird firehawk ford mustang cobra toyota mr2 turbo gmc typhoon travis medicine re do we need a radiologist to read an ultrasound in article 1993apr20 180835 24033 lmpsbbs comm mot com dougb ecs comm mot com writes my wifes ob gyn has an ultrasound machine in her office when the doctor couldnt hear a fetal heartbeat 13 weeks she used the ultrasound to see if everything was ok it was on her next visit my wife asked another doctor in the office if they read the ultrasounds themselves or if they had a radiologist read the pictures the doctor very vehemently insisted that they were qualified to read the ultrasound and radiologists were not stuff deleted this is one of those sticky areas of medicine where battles frequently rage with respect to your ob i suspect that she has been certified in ultrasound diagnostics and is thus allowed to use it and bill for its use many cardiologists also use ultrasound echocardiography and are in fact considered by many to be the experts i am not sure where obs stand in this regard but i suspect that they are at least as good as the radioligists flame retardant suit ready kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer guns re nazi memoribilia in 1993apr2 232511 10711 raid dell com mikepb lupus dell com michael p brininstool writes swatikas were also common in american indian markings painted walls etc is it the swastika that is bad just want to back this up with a personal anecdote my grandparents have a navajo rug made in the 1920s which they received in trade from the weaver while living in flagstaff arizona the decorative motif consists of 4 large black swastikas one in each corner whats more the color scheme is black white and red to the casual glance it would undoubtedly appear to be a nazi relic of some kind yet they owned it ten years before hitler and the national socialists came to power as i recall they took it down in the 30s and didnt feel quite right about putting it back up until the 60s it still draws comments from those who dont know what it is ccm christopher c may u of ariz coll of medicine 93 cmay ccit arizona edu do your part for liberty teach your children to hate big government do you care about freedom dreams may have inspired it and wishes promoted it but only war and weapons have made it yours robert ardrey armaque in armatos sumere jura sinunt ovid the wise mans understanding inclineth him toward his right hand but a fools heart turneth him to the left ecclesiastes 10 2 christopher c may u of ariz coll of medicine 93 cmay ccit arizona edu do your part for liberty teach your children to hate big government windows re amipro deskjet 500 printing problem tom belmonte x4858 tbelmont feds55 prime com wrote hello i recently tried to print some envelopes using amipro 3 0 with my deskjet 500 printer and i seem to be having a problem what happens is after i physically load the envelope into the printer per the user manual and then select the print envelope icon from amipro all of the proper options have been selected the printer just spits out the envelope without any printing of either a return address or the selected mailing address at this point the printers online light begins to flash and the print manager shows the printer job as busy this is all that happens until i either shut the printer off or cancel the printing job from the print manager i have also tried this without the use of the print manager with similar results amipro shows the printer as being busy so does anybody have any idea solution regarding this problem i appreciate the help thanks yes ignore the manual just insert the evelope dont use the keypad to move it up the windows driver sends a message to the printer that tells it to load the envelope if it is already loaded it gets ejected and the printer tries to load another the instructions in the manual are for dumb dos apps that dont send the load envelople message tom belmonte bob taylor hp vancouver cars re new alarm proposal in article 1993apr14 190652 19777 slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb co m dan day writes in article 1qeee6 o7s armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost w rites an audible alarm is just an annoyance to either a professional or amateur nobody listens to audible alarms anymore the thieves know this is why i think there ought to be a heavy fine on false alarms im really honked off about the fact that due to all the cars with cruddy alarms crying wolf no one will pay any attention to my car if its alarm ever goes off for real depends on your area in the city nobody thinks about it but at a mall or something near the suburbs people do at least glance over remember an alarm is only a deterent not a prevention if a thief sees two cars he likes one has an alarm and the other doesnt hes obviously going to skip the alarmed car and avoid the hassle there is a way around every alarm but at least youve got something on your side rob fusi rwf2 lehigh edu guns re some more about gun control in article 1993apr16 010235 14225 mtu edu cescript mtu edu charles scripter writes in article c5bu9m 2k7 ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge wrote in article 1q96tpinnpcn gap caltech edu arc cco caltech edu aaron ray clements writes the second amendment is a guarantee of the right to bear arms clearly and unequivocally without infringement i saw this nifty drawn out posting and i thought i might give the two of you a little help with your problem as you both know what you posted and this foolish thing gave me so much shit last time i tried to post i took the liberty of deleting all but the header and a single quote i hope you dont mind as written the second ammendment states rather clearly for anyone who can read the following a well regulated militia being necessarry to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed what is regulated regulated means controlled how about security well hey that would be along the lines of being and feeling safe wouldnt it wow we have a concept forming here dont we now what have we left the right of the people people people people people people people sorry got kinda hungup there shall not be infringed oops backup there hmmm infringed thatd be like interfered with altered changed or watered down in any way shape or form so what we have here in its big old long winded version would be a well controlled militia being necessary to the secure safe feeling of state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be fucked with in any way shape or form by some happy ass good for nothing in some piddly government building who wants to run my life in the pursuit of his happiness the item is clear and concise in its present form my young friend it does not need my clarification or that of any other this is only ammendment which guarantees the continued existence of the others its whole purpose is to give people recourse against the military machine of a government which fails to properly represent its creators us james madison federalist paper 41 regarding the general welfare clause nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars any replies or comments can be sent too kane djh4484 rigel tamu edu no representative government need fear its armed citizens death to tyrants the only thing we have to fear is me cars re auto air conditioning without freon we are working on gas solid adsorption air con system for auto applications in this kind of system the energy for regenerating the adsorbent is from the exhaust gas anyone interested in this mail email me or follow up this thread we may have a discussion on prospects of this technology max max g q lu phd internet mgqlu ntu ac sg division of thermal enginerring bitnet mgqlu ntuvax bitnet school of mpe nanyang technological university phone 65 7994818 nanyang avenue singapore 2263 fax 65 7911859 medicine re earwax hi stephen ear wax is a healthy way to help prevent ear infections both by preventing a barrier and also with some antibiotic properties too much can block the external auditory canal the hole in the outside of the ear and cause some hearing problems it is very simple and safe to remove excess wax on your own or at your physicians office you can take a syringe no needles and fill it with 50 warm water cold can cause fainting and 50 otc hydrogen peroxide then point the ear towards the ceiling about 45 degrees up and insert the tip of the syringe helps to have someone else do this and firmly expell the solution depending on the size of the syringe and the tenacity of the wax this could take several rinses if you place a bowl under the ear to catch the water it will be much drier you can buy a syringe with a special tip at your local pharmacy or just use whatever you may have if wax is old it will be harder and darker you can try adding a few drops of olive oil into the ear during a shower to soften up the wax do this for a couple days then try syringing again it is also safe to point your ear up at the shower head and allow the water to rinse it out good luck heather baseball re designated hitter rule in ekdfc 14 0 ttacs1 ttu edu ekdfc ttacs1 ttu edu david coons writes in 1993apr4 221228 17577 bsu ucs 00ecgillespi leo bsuvc bsu edu writes i am doing a postition paper on the designated hitter rule any information or even opinions would be greatly apprecitated 00ecgillespie magic should be rescinded the rules say baseball is a game between two teams of nine players each lets keep it that way not any more the rules dont say that so thats a pretty dumb argument david m nieporent only one thing wrong with theory niepornt phoenix is stupid is stupidest theory i ever heard princeton edu baltimore orioles 93 whos the dangerous cult the bds or the batf cars differences in insurance companies rates i am considering buying an new car so i called three insurance companies in california to get estimates i asked for the same coverage and same deductibles most of the companies charge you according to your zip code others charge according to your city anyhow i gave the same zip code and city to all three places heres what i found for a 93 integra gs aaa 2000 yr state farm 2614 92 yr allstate 1220 yr aaa is non profit so they said i could also expect to receive about 200 300 back at the end of the year still there is a huge gap between all of these companies state farm wants more than twice as much as allstate i think i should be suspicious but ive never heard anybody else complain any comments thanks gregg l kasten gregg cs stanford edu cars pennsylvania insurance limited tort option hey all im looking at buying a new car but im confused about the insurance coverage this also applies to my existing car insurance policy does anyone understand what the limited tort option means will it lower my rates if i opt to have it or will it be more expensive if i opt to have it what does it do for me in laymans terms please is it a good deal or should i ignore it im not the type to sue anyone at a drop of the hat nor am i the type to report every little ding to the insurance company as a vandalism claim please help thanks in advance george windows re how can i use the mouse in non windows applications under ms windows kasajian netcom com kenneth kasajian writes wnkretz ikesg1 energietechnik uni stuttgart de oliver kretzschmar writes hey could somebody tell me how it is possible to work with the mouse in a non windows application which runs in an window we use ms windows 3 1 and have clipper applications exists there any routines or something else please mail me your informations thanks for your efforts oliver name o kretzschmar inst ike university stuttgart phone 49 711 685 2130 pfaffenwaldring 31 fax 49 711 685 2010 7000 stuttgart 80 email wnkretz ikesg1 energietechnik uni stuttgart de very simple you have to have the mouse com or mouse sys loaded in dos before you run windows note that you dont need to have these files loaded to use the mouse in windows one addition to this i dont know if it applies to everybody for my microsoft 400dpi mouse to work with windowed dos apps i had to use the driver that came with windows version 8 20 8 1 didnt allow me to do it for some reason baseball re the mets are rapists todd karlin writes i do not read klapischs news columns regularly but i do know that he has been accused before as being an instigator that enjoys hopefully for only professional reasons to drumb up a news story even if there isnt one there now as far as the confrontation with bobby bonilla a few days ago i almost totally blame bonilla no matter what a member of the press does and no matter how much of a putrid individual he might be that does not give a ballplayer the right to threaten a journalist bonilla wasnt threatening anyone he just wanted to give him the dollar tour david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions 1993 its on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the 411 cars convertibles i was wondering if someone could point me to somewhere i could find a list and hopefully comparison of all the convertibles that are out these days seems like they are making a big comeback but im not sure where to look baseball re spanky released in article 1993apr12 130652 22090 sei cmu edu wp sei cmu edu william pollak writes deletions spanky isnt very good defensively anymore hes an offensive liability and judging from his outburst this winter after the bucs failed to sign drabek hes a jerk with his head in the sand tommy prince on the other hand cant hit in the paper simmons was citing the case of tom pagnozzi who never hit in the minors or majors but suddenly somehow learned how geez dal must have slipped something into teds drink sometime comparing prince to pagnozzi offensively is laughable prince has never hit well in the minors and hes now 27 years old i think pagnozzi was not a bad hitter in the minors ill bring in the numbers tomorrow assuming i dont have another brain cramp and forget he had a very good year at louisville before coming up to the majors as i recall the hype on pagnozzi coming up in the organization was good hit decent fielding when he got to the majors and didnt hit as well as expected not as much playing time he became exhibit 312 in nichols law of catcher defense and got the reputation as an outstanding defensive catcher its not clear he ever learned to hit his four years with more than 100 ab born 31 july 1962 year ab ba slg oba 1988 195 282 320 328 1990 220 277 373 321 1991 459 264 351 317 1992 485 249 359 290 no power less than league average walks peak year when he turned 28 now declining if ted is going to invoke pagnozzi as a model for prince given that prince has underperformed pagnozzi in the minors its not a rosy picture btw im still unhappy with moving zeile who had the same reputation coming up in the cardinal organization as pagnozzi except that he was a much much better hitter to 3rd where he could be an average hitter and a below average fielder instead of a well above average hitter as an average or below average fielding catcher harold harold brooks hbrooks uiatma atmos uiuc edu national severe storms laboratory norman ok i used to work for a brewery too but i didnt drink on the job p bavasi on dal maxvills view that florida can win the nl east in 93 religion waco information accuracy it should be remembered that all of the first reports came from the fbi and that independent observers i e the press were not allowed to get close and see things for themselves official communiques tend to be self serving for the agencies that issue them people in general tend to believe first reports as these get the most and the biggest headlines corrections are often overlooked an example is the fbi report that several of the bodies found in the rubble had bullet wounds the local coroner who is independent of the fbi has so far found no bullet wounds religion re that kill by sword must be killed by sword sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes and i find is extremely discusting to talk about politically incorrect actions and forget the actual tragedy think imagine your eight month old son dying in flames kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net we have reached the point in our society when there are certain crimes that are so heinous that to merely be accused with them one is automaticly considered guilty and deemed not to have any natural rights much less civil rights among these are drug abuse sexual perversion and political incorrectness today billary accused koresh of having sex with infants he had been accused of a number of differing crimes inconsistantly over the last two months but this is the first time i have heard that one i had heard child abuse but this is somewhat stronger it is fairly obvious that koresh was hiding behind the children and ironicly considering his apocalyptic dread believed enough in the american peoples inherent goodness to believe he was protected it is truly amazing that all these people who 60 days ago had never heard of the branch davidian now believe that he was suicidal crazy a child abuser and a immenant danger to others based solely on what the government spokespersons had said remember that these people have an awful lot to loose if it is found that they have screwed up but they dont have as much to lose as david koresh and his followers lost for in our society as it stands murder is not one of the heinous crimes cutter gloster via mind org chris all jobs are easy to the person who doesnt have to do them holts law guns letter in colorado daily the colorado daily recently reprinted the wall street journals article on paxton quigley including the nefarious little paragraph the journal tacked onto the end after recieving much assistance from various t p g type folks i wrote a letter to the editor criticizing this last paragraph and surprise surprise surprise they published it the text follows the colorado daily btw is the university of colorado boulder student i think newspaper not exactly a big coup but every little bit i guess the title was the only thing they changed added gun stats the daily recently reprinted an article from the wall street journal primarily concerned with paxton quigley author of armed and female the article in turn cites a misleading statistic that was originally reported in the new england journal of medicine the article states a study found that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner spouse a friend or child than to kill an intruder this is an often quoted statistic and it is misleading for sev eral reasons outlined below the study gives the impression that if you own a gun the likelihood that you will successfully use it to defend yourself is less than that of the gun being turned against you the study however fails to take into account cases where a law abiding citizen uses a gun to thwart a crime without actually killing the perpe trator the study actually refers to acquaintances rather than friend this would include the friendly neigh borhood thug who shows up like clockwork every month the second your grandmother cashes her social security check possibly an acquaintance but hardly a friend the nejm study is based on the immediate dis position of cases and fails to take into account cases originally filed as homicides that were later ruled to be self defense especially considering the small sample size 396 taking these events into account has a sub stantial effect on the 43 1 ratio quoted criminologist gary kleck gives us a slightly dif erent statistic a gun is 33 times more likely to be used successfully by a private citizen against an aggressor than it is to kill anyone at all further per sons defending themselves from aggression by using a gun fare better than those who resist vicimization by some other means or who offer no resistance at all statistics available from the fbi and other agencies also show that a gun is 245 times more likely to be used by a non criminal to defend against criminal threat than to be used to commit criminal homicide 535 times more likely to be used to defend against a criminal threat than to accidentally kill anybody and 50 times more likely to defend against criminal threat than to be used to commit suicide it is well to keep in mind that nearly anything can be proved by uncritical quotation of statistics one has to consider carefully what questions were asked by those gathering the data before one can draw an accu rate conclusion from them d f taylor cu department of chemistry and biochemistry spooksmoke revolution assasination thorium cobalt 60 clintin cia nsa shc dod 202 loki acca nmsu edu liberty or death taylordf ucsu colorado edu send me something even you cant read begin pgp public key block version 2 2 mqcnaitfksqaaaeeakceejwi9f5kmjykp0logc5dghrpbmy2xhoo8kpehmdyuf8a 1bfdqsj53kostz6hroshsdzlvul1 40vpjmmntfr vyz4jvd3rl4iuq2ummmex3m itf3ult8xn v qabsvhcfshvjvk4lf6wosucmo03m2tix31ai7vb0uzo4yxjaaux tcreyw5pzwwgribuyxlsb3igpexva2laywnjys5ubxn1lmvkdt4 s5ib end pgp public key block medicine re biological alchemy mcelwre cnsvax uwec edu writes biological alchemy another form of cold fusion gee id forgotten about this nut un altered reproduction and dissemination of this important information is encouraged robert e mcelwaine b s physics and astronomy uw ec and we know can prove what b s stands for in this case medicine sale melittin see letter melittin in cooperation with the state scientific center on antibiotics we have elaborated our own technology of bee venom components isolation particularly melitin using modern chromatographic eduipment by pharmacia and millipore companies with application of only the materials admitted for manufacturing pharmaceutic production high quality of our product is acknowledged by the expertise of the accredited test laboratory firm test v o souzexpertisa tpp rf littin no less than 92 of the primary substance content quantity from 100 g up to 5 kg date of manufacture march 1993 price 2500 dol usa per 1g certificate is on sale adress 105094 moscow semyenovskiy val 10 a bost partnership ltd tel fax 194 86 04 369 46 68 guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors karl auerbach writes besides nine people did successfully flee the fire yeah and at least one person ran back in sounds like a personal choice to me religious fanaticsm and a beleive that dying in the defense of your beliefs is probably at the core of what happened in waco religious fanaticism people try to get back in all the time when their homes are afire firefighters often have to restrain them they want to rush back in in an effort to save things old photos keepsakes stamp collections cash books jewelery pets their wives and husbands their babies medicine re erythromycin in article 47974 sdcc12 ucsd edu wsun jeeves ucsd edu fiberman writes is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia fm not only is it effective it is in fact the drug of choice for uncomplicated cases of community acquired penumonia kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer cars re mbenz 300 series vw passat go with the mercedes if you can afford it i think the 300 wagon starts around 50k although it could be 60k there is no comparison with any of the other cars listed horace dediu gte laboratories 617 466 4111 40 sylvan road internet hdediu gte com waltham ma 02254 windows re speeding up windows djserian flash lakeheadu ca reincarnation of elvis writes i have a 386 33 with 8 megs of memory i have noticed that lately when i use programs like wpfw or corel draw my computer boggs down and becomes really sluggish what can i do to increase performance what should i turn on or off will not loading wallpapers or stuff like that help when it comes to the running speed of windows and the programs that run under it thanx in advance derek 1 make sure your hard drive is defragmented this will speed up more than just windows btw use something like nortons or pc tools 2 i think that leaving the wall paper out will use less ram and therefore will speed up your machine but i could very will be wrong on this theres a good chance youve already done this but if not it may speed things up good luck morgan bullard mb4008 coewl cen uiuc edu or mjbb uxa cso uiuc edu derek j p serianni e mail djserian flash lakeheadu ca o o sociologist its 106 miles to chicago weve got a full tank lakehead university of gas half a pack of cigarettes its dark and u thunder bay ontario were wearing sunglasses elwood blues guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 9l15qxn rpi edu lswilfin mercury ral rpi edu lee s wilfinger writes cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes obnly something like 12 of guns used in crime in the us are purchased from legitimate dealers and not necessarily by the person who used them in the crime so we already have that much gun control ive seen this mentioned a number of times im curious what is the source for this statistic the number bounces between 2 and 18 depending on the study quoted and the type of gun being studied some cites a recent batf study titled protecting america yes surveyed 471 career criminals and found that only 7 of guns used in violent crimes were purchased from retail dealers national institute of justice research in brief november 1986 the armed criminal in america by james d wright 1 legitimate firearms retailers play only a minor role as direct sources of handguns for adult felony offenders only about one sixth of the gun owning felons obtained their most recent handguns through a customary retail transaction involving a licensed firearms dealer the remainder five out of six obtained them via informal off the record transactions involving friends and associates family members and various black market outlets the means of acquisition from these informal sources included cash purchase swaps and trades borrowing and renting and often theft the criminal handgun market is overwhelmingly dominated by informal transactions and theft as mechanisms of supply independence issue paper no 4 91 independence institute 14142 denver west parkway 101 golden co 80401 303 279 6536 why gun waiting periods threaten public safety by david b kopel the basic problem with waiting periods is shown by a bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms study of gun dealer sales in des moines and greenville the study found that about one to two percent of sales were to dangerous criminals 51 in short waiting periods have no statistically noticeable impact on any type of crime because only a tiny fraction of crime guns are purchased at retail by ineligible buyers 51 bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms assistant director of criminal enforcement memorandum to director july 10 1975 greenville survey of 20 047 names submitted to fbi for record checks 68 had felony convictions of those 41 had not been represented by counsel at their conviction or who committed crimes in the distant past twenty seven buyers were prosecuted of the 1 3 of buyers selected for prosecution 9 had non violent felony convictions and 4 had violent convictions bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms assistant director for criminal enforcement memorandum to director may 8 1975 of 374 records checked 39 were purchasers with felony records who were not appropriate for prosecution because of age or non violent nature of felony six purchasers were prosecuted independence issue paper no 12 91 the assault weapon panic political correctness takes aim at the constitution by eric morgan and david kopel testimony before congress revealed that most assault weapons in the hands of criminals were obtained through illegal channels 97 the testimony is consistent with the national institute of justices research findings based on studies of felons in state prisons the nu study authored by sociologists james d wright and peter rossi found that only sixteen percent of criminals had obtained their most recent handgun from a gun store the figures included purchases by legal surrogates rather than directly by the criminal wright and rossi who had begun their research as firm proponents of gun control concluded that no set of controls on retail purchases and probably not even full scale gun prohibition would reduce criminal use of guns wright and rossi suggested that lawmakers concerned about gun crime directly target the black market in criminal guns and leave the legitimate retail market alone 98 not surprisingly wright believes that the consequences of current assault weapon legislation on street violence are likely to be ineffective 99 he warns that gun controls aimed at ordinary citizens are less likely to reduce the pool of criminal guns than to provide organized crime with lucrative new business 100 6 see e g the anti drug assault weapons limitation act of 1989 s rep no 160 101st cong 1st sess 6 8 1989 hereinafter senate report introduced by senator deconcini to reduce semiautomatic firearms abuse by drug traffickers and violent criminals roberti roos assault weapons control act of 1989 cal penal code 12275 12290 west 1990 hereinafter roberti roos md ann code art 27 442 481e 1989 placing greater restrictions on 17 varieties of assault weapons and providing punishments for failure to comply or attempts to evade 97 senate report supra note 6 at 17 98 james wright peter rossi armed and considered dangerous a survey of felons and their firearms new york aldine de gruyter 1986 99 lock and load for the gunfight of 89 u s news world rep march 27 1989 at 9 hereinafter gunfight wright also said if criminals can get all the drugs they want they can get guns too id 100 james wright second thoughts about gun control 91 the public interest spring 1988 at 30 3 1 cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet religion re to rob lanphier you just dont get it do you brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes me brian k please step aside before you get run over bk there is no truck me turn around at look bk no me look you will be healthier if you do take a look at the oncoming truck bk no explain to me why trucks exist me turn around or you will run over bk no i wont because i like hiking and tomorrow is tuesday me you blind fool why do you choose ignorance you have nothing to lose if you look but if do not look you will certainly lose your life i do not want to see you squashed all over the road bk it is my life to lose i rather not look besides a truck running over me will not harm me and by the way i really have an open mind i think the discussion is more like this me happily picking daisies by the side of the road bc dancing on the double yellow broken line come on out and play on the highway me why bc the highway was put here for people to be on we must work towards fulfilling its purpose me but bc look the highway has been here for several generations look i have a story about how it was actually created by a divine being and several people actually saw elvis bless it me but bc look are you going to come out here or not me but bc you probably think that picking daisies is fun well youre wrong me where in blazes did you get this silly idea that youre supposed to be playing on the highway youll get yourself killed bc better to be killed on the highway than to live an empty life off of it besides youre just asking pointless questions you know you really want to be playing on the highway too youre just denying it me if you want to get run over then fine but id much rather enjoy the daisies if you please bc why do you shun me like this the creator of the highway will flatten you with a steamroller if you dont see the light and come join me me well if hes gonna be that way about it maybe i want to get as far from the highway as i can bc incoherent but quite familiar righteous sputtering brian c dont you see i do not believe that your god is a real or even b beneficial in fact i believe your religion is imaginary and carried to extremes harmful i would like to help you see its shortcomings and perhaps someday finally become strong enough to see it for what it is an elaborate lie kept alive by the elite priesthood to keep the masses properly submissive to their influences please offer me an argument thats more convincing than you just dont believe cos you dont want to everything youve said so far could apply equally to any religion why do you believe yours is the real one note that saying its the only one that promises eternal life or something like that isnt an answer to my question unless you show that a no other religion promises eternal life and b it is unarguably true that eternal life must be a reality brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau cars 89 honda crx dx 1989 honda crx dx white w blue int original owner 59 500 miles mostly highway recent tune up new battery oil changed every 3000 miles kenwood high power cassette receiver w 4 spkrs 6800 or best reasonable offer if interested please e mail me at goose ftp com or call after 6pm 603 437 6348 ask for kevin medicine celery and hypertension somewhere or other i read that when a person of chinese heritage was told that he had high blood pressure he responded by eating celery sorry i dont recall the dosage apparently this is supposed to work in reducing hypertension can anyone out there verify this and if it does work does anyone know the appropriate amounts and possible side effects thanks leon traister lmtra uts amdahl com baseball re and americas team is but why in a previous article steinman me utoronto ca david steinman says cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes the defenition of the underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend the 69 mets and 89 orioles are prime examples not the cubs sorry but it is virtually impossible to win a division with no talent over 162 games i would amend your definition to underdog a team expected to lose but which wins thanks to underestimated talent dave ok the mets and os are good examples but what about the 90 reds do you really think that anyone expected them to sweep the as i know people who didnt even think theyd win a game let alone win the series we proved them wrong though didnt we as for this year ignore their record now theyve had a rocky start and that has nothing to do with colorado they shall rise again the hunt for a reds october continues with all due respect to wlw bye michelson 1993 spring olympics champions road rally 5 legged race rope pull snarf penny wars banner spirit cheer the michelson menace rides again dont you just love that intense nationalistic feeling in a residence hall baseball re yankees win home opener in article 1993apr14 175545 3528 alleg edu millits yankee org sam millitello says im telling you sam three ls call up mom and ask bob vesterman guns re rewording the second amendment ideas dfo vttoulu tko vtt fi foxvog douglas writes nerve gas and mustard gas are well defined other poisonous gasses should be individually banned only if it can be shown that there is no use not related to weaponry licenses should be available for research purposes on such chemicals i am not a lawyer but these ideas could certainly be a basis for definitions i hope you realize how trivial it is to manufacture these compounds given about 10k in lab equipment and chemicals which are commercially available and given the knowledge that i have graduating bs ch 1993 i could synthesize enough of these compounds to make a serious dent in the population of several major us cities as also noted the knowledge is there for the production of nuclear weapons its not even that restricted the only thing is the expense now im not going around making these things but its not cause of any law i simply dont get any marginal benefit out of killing anyone any law you enact in this respect is only going to give you the ability to add a charge against someone who does make and use said weapons in the case of chemical agents i seriously doubt that you would even know that someone had set up a lab until after the weapons had been used part of the trouble with the chemical weapons ban treaty between the us and the ussr is that many of the precursors to chemical weapons such as gb and sarin etc is that they have very valid commercial uses and it is very easy to divert those precursors to chemical weapons manufacture without anyone knowing about it dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them doug foxvog douglas foxvog vtt fi aaron arc cco caltech edu windows re win nt what is it in a previous article alanchem csd4 csd uwm edu alan scott olson wrote two part question 1 what is windows nt a real windows os 2 this past weekend a local hacker radio show metioned a new product from microsoft called chicago if i recall anyone know what this is that is it thanks a heap alan windows nt is a giant windows operating system unline win3 1 it does not run on top of dos it is its own os with billy gates assures us true multi tasking multithreading meets dod security specs will run win3 1 programs as well as dos programs has multi processor support and is primarily a server program its overhead is too high for it to be economical for most users speaking of overhead it requires at least a 386 with 16 megs of ram it iwll run with 12 but thats like running os 2 2 0 with 4 megs and thats just to run it also i have heard that the system files take up 30 50 megs and it is recommended that your drive be a half gig the skd is distributed on cd rom chicogo is what i want to use it is like nt a true os with thrue multitasking and multithreading but has much smaller hardware requirements and does not meet dod security specs but thats okay since it will probably be more of a client os there are a few otehr differences but those are the main ones there was an article about chicogo in pc week last august the chicogo and nt development groups at micro oft are in intense competition so it is said however i think a different relationship will arise nt will be the server n etowrk t echonology chicogo will be the client machine it is entirely possible for different oss to work together partly because chicogo is just a small nt think of it that way anyway novell netware creates an os on the server that is truly not dos so dont scorn the concept anyway dont expect it soon windows 4 and dos 7 are supposed to be released next year read see it in 95 so i expect that chicogo wont be out til 96 with luck ill be proven wrong rob rmohns vax clarku edu rob mohns annoy rush limbaugh think for yourself medicine great canadian scientists about two years ago i posted the following i am planning to write a new book called great canadian scientists please forward your nominations to me shell cs sfu ca the rules are that the person must be a canadian citizen they dont have to be born in canada or even live in canada but they must have or have had if they are dead canadian citizenship while they are were great canadian scientists about 70 people have been nominated already and they are listed at the end of this posting im not quite sure what should constitute greatness and there may be a gray area here if you have any ideas on criteria for greatness i would be pleased to hear them in any event please nominate people even if you are not sure they are great i would like as big a list as possible please give me a name and email address phone number or mail address so that i can contact the person if you dont know any of the above then give me their last known whereabouts also please give your reason for why you think the person should be considered a great canadian scientist after i have the list i will choose about six of the most interesting ones and do in depth biographies of those individuals in the style of tracy kidders soul of a new machine or some other dramatic technique the rest of the great canadian scientists will appear in an appedix with one paragraph biographies if you have any other ideas about this project i am interested to hear them so far i have received 68 nominations as follows first name last name nominator famous for sid altman kuszewski john catalytic rna nobel chem 89 frederick banting me insulin nobel u23 medicine davidson black stanley robert discovered peking man james r bolton warden joseph chemistry raoul bott smith steven math algebraic topology willard boyle chamm craig co inventor of ccd gerard bull stanley robert ballistics and gunnery dennis chitty galindo leal carlos first animal ecologist brian c conway tellefsen karen electrochemistry stephen cook mendelzon alberto np completeness complexity copp kuch gerald biochem aspects of physiol h s m coxeter calkin neil j regular polytopes math p n daykin palmer bill chem mosquito repellant h e duckworth anonymous mass spectroscopy admin jack edmonds snoeyink jack math operations research reginald fessenden johnsen hans wire insulation light bulb ursula franklin mckellin william physics archeol materials j a gray gray tom nuclear physics the gray e w guptill chamm craig slotted array radar donald hebb lyons michael learning hebbian synapses gerhard herzberg me optical spectr nobel 71 james hillier me electron microscope can am crawford s holling galindo leal carlos ecology predators and prey david hubel lyons michael visual cortex nobel med kenneth iverson dare gary invented apl j d jackson austern matt elementary particle theory andre joyal pananagden prakash category theory categ logic martin kamen me carbon 14 canadian amer irving kaplansky knighten bob algebra functional analysis george s kell kell dave hot water freezing t e kellogg palmer bill chem mosquito repellant geraldine kenney wallace siegman anthony chemistry administration brian kernaghan brader mark c programming language michael l klein marchi massimo theoretical chemistry charles j krebs galindo leal carlos ecology krebs effect k j laidler tellefsen karen chemical kinetics g c laurence palmer bill physics raymond lemieux smith earl first synthesized glucose martin levine meunier robert computer vision edward s lowry himself computer programming pere marie victorin meunier robert jardin botanique de montreal colin macleod turner steven nobel dna discovery marshall mcluhan clamen stewart social sci communications ben morrison willson david aurora borealis lawrence morley strome murray plate tektonics remote sense farley mowat abbott john northern animal rights kevin ogilvie kendrick kelly genetics cure for herpes sir william osler lyons michael medicine p j e peebles vishniac ethan most important cosmologist wilder penfield perri marie anatomical basis for memory john polanyi me chemiluminescensce nobel86 denis poussart meunier robert computer vision anatol rapoport lloyd jones david conflict theory game theory howard rapson sutherland russell pulp chemistry hans selye goel anil k psychology of stress william stephenson wilkins darin ww2 enigma code wire photo boris stoicheff siegman anthony raman spectroscopy david suzuki meister darren science communication henry taube parker wiley physical chemistry nobel83 richard taylor manuel john verified quark model nobel90 david thompson eisler michael mapped western canada endel tulving green christopher psychology of memory bill tutte royle gordon matroid theory math i uchida palmer bill downs syndrome j tuzo wilson collier john continental drift theory r h wright palmer bill chem mosquito repellant j l allen yen leone pasquale vl baseline interferometry walter zinn me breader reactor can amer the list is growing nicely its amazing to see just how much was discovered by canadians actually there are many more who were born in canada but became americans after graduate school please note a lot of people have nominated alexander graham bell but i feel he was really a scottish american with a summer home in canada now i know this is debatable but please dont nominate him again if anyone can fill in some of the question marks on the list please drop me a line that was two years ago since then i have received a grant from science culture canada a division of supply and services canada to research the book since my old posting the book has evolved into an educational book for kids aged 9 14 though this may change again it will have about 40 two page spreads with a large graphic in the middle and text graphic boxes all around on the following subjects vital statistics and photo of the scientist personal statement from the scientist narrative of a few moments in the life of the scientist what i was doing when i was 12 so you want to be a insert kind of scientist experiment you can do there will be an appendix with 100 200 more scientists with one paragraph biographies who didnt quite make it to the double spreads the whole thing will then be published on cd rom with video and sound clips for added richness i am looking for a cd rom publisher as well the text part may also be available on the canarie electronic highway being developed in canada as well i am still looking for a publisher though penguin canada came close to being it hope to find one soon i would like to again ask for more nominations especially in the pure sciences of physics chemistry and biology also criticisms of the list are welcomed also women and french canadian scientists are needed i hope this posting will get others to nominate more great canadian scientists and to discuss what is great what is canadian and what is scientist please respond to shell sfu ca or barry shell 604 876 5790 4692 quebec st vancouver b c v5v 3m1 canada thanks to all who responded already religion re is it good that jesus died in article c62ar1 ldt blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu ken arromdee wrote in article 1993apr25 194144 8358 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes even though a new born is innocent as can be his sinful nature will surely manifest itself more explicity as he gets older ah so you admit newborns are innocent then you cannot say everyone is a sinner about the only way top get out of this one is to claim that a newborn is a sinner despite having not committed any sins which is rather odd this all would also implicate that in order for the sinning 2 month old baby to get forgivance he or she has to ask for help from jesus somehow i find this a little bit amuzing cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net baseball mlb standings and scores for fri apr 16th 1993 mlb standings and scores for friday april 16th 1993 including yesterdays games national west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road san francisco giants 06 04 600 6 4 won 1 03 01 03 03 houston astros 05 04 556 0 5 5 4 lost 1 00 03 05 01 atlanta braves 06 05 545 0 5 5 5 lost 2 03 03 03 02 colorado rockies 03 05 375 2 0 3 5 won 1 03 03 00 02 los angeles dodgers 03 07 300 3 0 3 7 lost 4 00 03 03 04 san diego padres 02 07 222 3 5 2 7 lost 4 00 04 02 03 cincinnati reds 02 07 222 3 5 2 7 lost 3 01 02 01 05 national east philadelphia phillies 08 01 889 8 1 won 5 05 01 03 00 pittsburgh pirates 07 02 778 1 0 7 2 won 4 03 02 04 00 st louis cardinals 07 02 778 1 0 7 2 won 3 04 02 03 00 new york mets 04 04 500 3 5 4 4 lost 1 02 03 02 01 chicago cubs 04 05 444 4 0 4 5 won 1 01 02 03 03 montreal expos 04 05 444 4 0 4 5 won 1 01 02 03 03 florida marlins 03 06 333 5 0 3 6 won 1 02 04 01 02 american west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road texas rangers 06 02 750 6 2 lost 1 04 02 02 00 california angels 05 02 714 0 5 5 2 won 3 03 02 02 00 chicago white sox 04 04 500 2 0 4 4 won 1 02 03 02 01 minnesota twins 04 04 500 2 0 4 4 lost 1 01 02 03 02 oakland athletics 04 04 500 2 0 4 4 lost 2 04 02 00 02 seattle mariners 04 04 500 2 0 4 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making any station wagons you used to make a wagon on every platform sentra stanza maxima and now none at all in fact they make some but they just dont sell them here in u s sunny california is a 1 6l wagon based on sentra avenil is a 2 0l 4wd 2wd wagon it looks like infinity g20 but actually its independently designed to be a wagon i mean its not based on any sedans nissan had better consider to sell them here after buying my se r and really loving it i would like to buy another nissan product for my wife but prefer a wagon ive owned minivans and dont prefer them how about an altima wagon or a sentra wagon would do sounds nice but i doubt they have a plan coz avenil was introduced to replace any sedan based wagon or heres an even better suggestion why dont you guys go ahead and buy the rest of fuji heavy industries subaru and put either an in line 4 or v 6 into the legacy 4wd wagon id buy the legacy in a minute if it had a nissan engine instead of the horizontal 4 that they seem sentimentally attached to with all the camry accord taurus volvo and subaru wagons out there its got to be a market segment that would be worthwhile i can wait a year or two but if you dont have something to compete by the 1995 model i may have to go elsewhere thanks steve morris m a internet smorris sumax seattleu edu addiction studies pgm uucp uw beaver uunet gtenmc dataio sumax smorris seattle university phone 206 296 5350 dept or 296 5351 direct seattle wa 98122 religion the magi of matthew was the jewish discomfort with jesus in article 1746 2bd37a66 paranet fidonet org bill carlson p0 f18 n104 z1 fidonet org bill carlson writes since everywhere i look zoroaster is suggested as being a probable descendant of daniel suppose you prove he wasnt ref encyclopedia of religion mircea eliade magi sneak preview later still eschatology and apocalyptics were a fertile meeting ground for iranian and judeo christian religions as can be seen in the famous oracles of hystaspes a work whose iranian roots are undeniable and which most likely dates from the beginning of the christian era probably the second century ce widengren 1968 the zoroastrian doctrine of the savior of the future saoshyant was the basis for the story of the coming of the magi to bethlehem in the gospel of matthew 2 1 12 the old persian word magu rendered in greek by magos is of uncertain etymology it may originally have meant member of the tribe as in the avestan compound mogu tbish hostile to a member of the tribe this meaning would have been further resticted among the medes to member of the priestly tribe and perhaps to priest benveniste 1938 boyce 1982 the term is probably of median origin given that herodotus mentions the magoi as one of the six tribes of the medes for a variety of reasons we can consider the magi to have been members of a priestly tribe of median origin in western iran among the persians they were responsible for liturgical functions as well as for maintaining their knowledge of the holy and the occult most likely the supremacy of the median priesthood in western iran became established during the time of the median monarchy that dominated the persians from the end of the eighth century through the first half of the sixth century bce until the revolt of cyrus the great 550 bce the persians were indebted to the medes for their political and civil institutions as well even if hypotheses have been advanced concerning the existence of magi of persian origin in the achaemenid period boyce 1982 we must still maintain that they were of median origin this is demonstrated by the eposide of the revolt of gaumata the magian mentioned by darius i 522 486 bce in the inscription at bisutun iran as well as by greek sources indeed herodotus insists on the idea of the usurpatory power of the medes against the persians through the conspiracy of the magi the fact that the magi may have been members of a tribe that handed down the sacerdotal arts in a hereditary fashion naturally did not exclude the possibility that some of them undertook secular prefessions this seems to be attested by the elamite tablets at persepolis there is a theses put forth by giuseppe messina that denies that the magi are members of an ethnic group by suggesting that they are simply members of the priesthood a priesthood of purely zoroastrian origin this thesis is untenable on the other hand the hypothesis that their name is related to the avestan term magavan derived from the gathic maga vedic magha gift is not without foundation mole 1963 the meaning of maga can probably be found in conformity with the pahlavi tradition within the context of the concept of purity or separation of the mixture of the two opposed principles of spirit and matter the maga which has been erroneously interpreted as chorus from the root mangh which is said to mean sing the magic song nyberg 1966 and has been rendered simply by an expression like unio mystica seems to be an ecstatic condition that opens the mind to spiritual vision in any case though there may be a relation between the old persian term magu and the avestan terms magavan and maga we must maintain a clear distinction between the magi and the avestan priesthood the avesta ignores the median or old persian term despite a recent hypothesis proposed by h w bailey old persian inscriptions ignore the avestan term for priest athravan vedic athravan even if this is perhaps present in an achaeminid setting in the elamite tablets of persepolis gershevitch 1964 the term magu has been present in zoroastrianism throughout its history the pahlavi terms mogh mard and mobad represent its continuation the latter in particular derives from an older form magupati head of the magi during the sasanid period third to seventh centuries ce which saw the formation of a hierarchically organized church the title mobadan mobad the high priest of high priests came to be used to designate the summit of the ecclesiastical hierarchy the magi practiced consanguineous marriage or khvaetvadatha av pahl khwedodah they also performed a characteristic funeral rite the exposure of the corpse to animals and vultures to remove the flesh and thereby cleanse it the corpse was not supposed to decompose lest it be contaminated by the demons of putrefaction this practice later became typical of the entire zoroastrian community and led to the rise of a complex funeral ritual in iran and among the parsis in india stone towers known as dakhmas were built especially for this rite during the time of herodotus the practice of exposure of the corpse was in vogue only among the magi the persians generally sprinkled the corpse with wax then buried it the practice was widespread however among the peoples of central asia the magi were the technicians of and experts on worship it was impossible to offer sacrifices without the presence of a magus during the performance of a ritual sacrifice the magus sang of the theogony the magi were possibly the custodians of a tradition of sacred poetry but we know nothing about the relationship of this tradition to the various parts of the avesta and was called upon to interpret dreams and to divine the future the magi were also known for the practice of killing harmful or ahrimanical animals khrafstra such as snakes and ants they dressed in the median style wearing pants tunics and coats with sleeves they wore a characteristic head covering of felt gr tiara with strips on the sides that could be used to cover the nose and mouth during rituals to avoid contaminating consecrated objects with their breath boyce 1982 the color of these caps in conformity with a tradition that is probably of indo european origin according to georges dumezil was that of the priesthood white in all likelihood during the achaemenid period the magi were not in possession of a well defined body of doctrine and it is probable that they gradually adopted zoroastrianism they were most likely a clergy consisting of professional priests who were not tied to a rigid orthodoxy but were naturally inclined to eclecticism and syncretism nonetheless they must have been jealous guardians of the patrimony of zorastrian traditions by virtue of this they were the educators of the royal princes the wisest of them was responsible for teaching the prince the magic of zarathushtra son of horomazes and thus the cult of the gods magi who excelled in other virtues were entrusted with the education of the prince so that he would learn to be just courageous and master of himself during the achaemenid period the magi maintained a position of great influence although they were certainly subordinate to the emperor despite several dramatic events such as the massacre they suffered after the death of gaumata the magian in which according to herodotus who calls himself smerdis the persians killed a large number of magi to avenge the usurpation the magi nevertheless managed to maintain their influence at court in media in persia and in the various regions of the empire where they were stationed as a consequence of the persian civilian and military administration no priesthood of antiquity was more famous than that of the magi they were renowned as followers of zarathushtra zoroaster as the teachers of some of the greatest greek thinkers pythagoras democritus plato as the wise men who arrived guided by a star at the manger of the newborn savior in bethlehem and as the propagators of a cult of the sun in india but they were also known as the chaldeans the priesthood of babylon known for its occultism this was perhaps the reason that the term magos had a pejorative sense in greek like goes expert in the magic arts bidez and cumont 1938 indeed the chaldeans were experts in all types of magical arts especially astrology and had a reputation for wisdom as well as knowledge to understand the reasons for such various and sometimes discordant views it is necessary to distinguish between the magi of iran proper and the so called western magi who were later hellenized in the achaemenid period both must have been at least in part zoroastrian but the western magi those of the iranian diaspora in asia minor syria mesopotamia and armenia who came in contact with diverse religious traditions must have sooner or later and in varying degrees been influenced by syncretic concepts the greeks were familiar with both kinds of magi and depending on their varying concerns would emphasize one or the other aspect of them classical historians and geographers including herodotus and strabo document their customs while the philosophers dwell above all on their doctrines dualism belief in the hereafter magian cosmology and cosmogony and their theology and eschatology those sources most interested in the doctrines of the magi even speak of zarathushtra as a magus in doing so they are repeating what the magi themselves said from the median and achaemenid periods when they adopted zoroastrianism at that time they embraced zarathushtra as one of their own and placed themselves under his venerable name zoroastrianism had already undergone several profound transformations in the eastern community by the time of the acheamenids and was already adapting those elements of the archaic religion that refused to die it has been said quite often in an attempt to characterize the precise role of the magi in the zoroastrian tradition that the vendidad from vi daevo data the law abjuring daivas part of the avesta should be attributed to them this collection of texts from various periods is primarily concerned with purificatory rules and practices nonetheless the hypothesis is hardly plausible since the first chapter of the vendidad a list of sixteen lands created by ahura mazda the supreme god of zoroastrianism but contaminated by an attack by ahriman pahl gathic avestan angra mainyu the other supreme god and the ultimate source of all evil and suffering does not mention western iran persia or media the land of ragha mentioned in the text cannot be median raghiana furthermore it has been noted gershevitch 1964 that if the authors had been magi the absence of any reference to western iranian institutions including their own priesthood would be very strange the magi were above all the means by which the zoroastrian tradition and the corpus of the avesta have been transmitted to us from the second half of the first millennium bce on this has been their principal merit we can attribute directly to the magi the new formulation that iranian dualism assumed known to us especially from greek sources and in part from the pahlavi literature of the ninth and tenth centuries ce according to this formulation the two poles of the dualism are no longer as in the gathas spenta mainyu beneficent spirit and angra mainyu hostile spirit but ahura mazda himself and angra mainyu gershevitch 1964 see ahura mazda and angra mainyu this trans formation was of immense consequence for the historical development of zoro astrianism and was most likely determined by the contact of the magi with the mesopotamian religious world in this new dualism which was that later known to the greeks aristotle eudemus of rhodes theopompus and others we can see the affirmation of a new current of thought within zoroastrianism to which we give the name zurvanism see zurvanism thanks to their adherence to zoroastrianism the magi played an enormously important role in the transmission of zarathushtras treachings as well as in the definition of the new forms that these would assume historically their natural propensity to eclecticism and syncretism also helped the diffusion of zoroastrian ideas in the communities of the iranian diaspora the greeks began to study their doctrines and to take an interest in them xanthus of lydia hermodorus aristotle theopompus hermippus dinon even writing treatises on the persian religion of which only the titles and a few fragments have survived in the hellenistic period the magi were seen as a secular school of wisdom and writings on magic astrology and alchemy were lent the authority of such prestigious names as zarathushtra ostanes and hystaspes forming an abundant apocryphal literature bidez and cumont 1938 later still eschatology and apocalyptics were a fertile meeting ground for iranian and judeo christian religions as can be seen in the famous oracles of hystaspes a work whose iranian roots are undeniable and which most likely dates from the beginning of the christian era probably the second century ce widengren 1968 the zoroastrian doctrine of the savior of the future saoshyant was the basis for the story of the coming of the magi to bethlehem in the gospel of matthew 2 1 12 see saoshyant the sasanid period saw the magi once again play a determining role in the religious history of iran concerned to win back the western magi de menasce 1956 and eager to consolidate zoroastrianism as the national religion of iran the priests of iranian sanctuaries in media and persia were able to establish a true state church strongly hierarchical and endowed with an orthodoxy based on the formation of a canon of scriptures the leading figures in the development of a state religion and of zoroastrian orthodoxy were tosar and kerder the persecutors of mani in the third century saoshyant the avestan term saoshyant future benefactor mpers soshans designates the savior of the world who will arrive at a future time to redeem humankind the concept of the future savior is one of the fundamental notions of zoro astrianism together with that of dualism it appears as early as in the gathas zarathushtra zoroaster as the prophet of the religion is himself a sao shyant one who performs his works for the frashokereti the end of the present state of the world when existence will be rehabilitated and made splendid see frashokereti later zoroastrian doctrine developed this notion into a true eschatological myth and expanded the number of saoshyants from one to three all the saviors are born from the seed of zarathushtra which is preserved through the ages in lake kansaoya identified with present day lake helmand in seistan iran protected by 99 999 fravashis or guardian spirits the greatest of the awaited saoshyants the victorious astvatereta he who embodies truth the son of the vispataurvairi she who conquers all is the third who will make existence splendid he appears in yashts 19 upon his arrival humankind will no longer be subject to old age death or corruption and will be granted unlimited power at that time the dead will be resurrected and the living will be immortal and indestructable brandishing the weapon with which he kills the powerful enemies of the world of truth that is the world of the spirit and of asha astvatereta will look upon the whole of corporeal existence and render it imperishable he and his comrades will engage in a great battle with the forces of evil which will be destroyed the name astvatereta is clearly the result of theological speculation kellens 1974 as are those of his two brothers ukhshyatereta he who makes truth grow and ukhshyatnemah he who makes reverence grow the names of the three virgins yashts 13 who are impregnated with the seed of zarathushtra when they bathe in lake kansaoya and give birth to the saoshyants are equally speculative each of these saoshyants will arrive at the beginning of a millennium initiating a new age and a new cycle of existence astvatereta will appear in the third and final millennium to save mankind the doctrine of the future savior had already taken shape in the archaemenid period sixth to fourth century bce it was not perhaps the principal element in the formation of the messianic idea but it was certainly a determining factor one that enjoyed great success in the hellenistic period beyond the confines of the iranian world a similar concept that of the future buddha maitreya was most likely indebted to it and christian messianism can trace its roots to the same source baseball re best homeruns id have to say the most impressive hrs ive ever see came from dave kingman and his infamous moon raker drives don boell guns re guns in backcountry no thanks in article 121415 netnews upenn edu egedi ahwenasa cis upenn edu dania m egedi writes in article 1993apr16 222604 18331 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman writes in article 1993apr16 174436 22897 midway uchicago edu pkgeragh gsbphd uchicago edu kevin geraghty writes wrong about the whole guns for protection mindset it ignores the systemic effects of cumulative individual actions if you want fire insurance on your house thats prudent and it has no effect on me but if you and a bunch of other paranoids are packing handguns in the backcountry it makes me and anyone else who doesnt chose to protect himself in this manner pretty f king nervous why if youre not a threat youre not affected at all aha thats the part that makes me nervous too who gets to decide if i am a threat when i might possibly be on the receiving end of a violent gesture then i get to decide for myself if someone does not like it too bad i would be doing exactly what you or any other living creature would do in terms of evaluation whats the big deal based on appearance sometimes would someone feel more threatened when approached by a very dirty smelly slightly maniacal looking person with a slight glaze to the eyes muttering to himself i might doesnt this describe most backpackers after theyve been out more than a couple of days not in my experience and let us not forget that context is often an important factor in evaluating a situation seeing disheveled persons on a hiking trail is not likely to be evaluated equally with meeting a grimey sort as described above on a lonely city street at 3 am anyone that cannot properly discriminate between these two different situations is legitimate fodder for the old survival of the fittest principle or based on something else proximity no room to pass on the trail without getting real close to someone an inner sense now im really getting nervous sounds like you doubt your own abilities you sound pretty typical in this respect you also seem to think that youll be safe or safer if others are unarmed this is dangerous fantasy twice when i was hiking the a t i came up on a shelter that i was planning on staying at and saw someone sitting there cleaning his gun softly i backed away and hiked another 5 miles to get out of there ill freely admit it here im not afraid of guns im afraid of people that bring them into the backcountry then you are in need of some form of therapy not necessarily that of an analyst but maybe you should learn about guns your fear is seems to be based in ignorance and false knowledge you see a person with a gun and you feel threatened why is this so have you any legitimate basis for this any first hand experience that lends validity to your fears or are your fears based on mediated experience i e the anecdotes of others such as network news i trust you can see the lack of legitimacy in such mediated inputs and why are you afraid of the people as mentioned above forgive me but you sound afraid to the point of paranoia perhaps you should talk to someone about this i am not saying this to be rude or fascetious but i think anyone with fear as deep and baseless as yours seems to be needs some sort of help living in fear really sucks even if it is only when around people with guns in the back country tell me would you be as fearful of a park ranger who was right in front of you with their side arm in clear view why or why not andy v guns ohio house bill 278 otto beattys military weapons ban note ohio legislation unlike federal legislation shows the entire law as it would be changed by the legislation these parts are in all capitals the rest i e current law is in regular type as introduced 120th general asembly regular session h b no 278 1993 1994 represenative beatty a bill to amend sections2923 11 2923 17 and 2923 20 and to enact section 2923 181 of the revised code to expand the defintion of dangerous ordnance to include military weapons that do not use bolt action to increase the penalty for a violation of the prohibition against possession of dangerous ordnance to prohibit any person from acquiring a military weapon on or after the acts effective date to require the licensure of military weapons acquired for aproper purpose prior to the acts effective dte to prohibit a person from importing manufacturing or selling a military weapon and to declare an emergency be it enacted by the general assembly of the state of ohio section 1 that sections 2923 11 2923 17 and 2923 20 be amended and section 2923 181 of the revised code be enacted to read as follows sec 2923 11 as used in section 2923 11 to 2923 24 of the revised code a deadly weapon means any instrument device or thing capable of inflicting death and designed or specially adapted for use as a weapon or possessed carried or used as a weapon b 1 firearm means any deadly weapon capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustible propellant firarms includes an unloaded firearm and any firearm which is inoperable but which can readily be rendered operable 2 when determining whether a firearm is capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustible propellant the trier of fact may rely upon circumstancial evidence including but not limited to the representations and actions of the individual exercising control over the firearm c handgun means any firearm designed to be fired while held in one hand d semi automatic firearm means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a single cartridge and automatically chamber a suceeding cartridge ready to fire with a single function of the trigger e automatic firearm means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger automatic firearm also means any semi automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty one cartridges without reloading other than a firearm chambering only 22 caliber short long or long rifle cartridges f sawed off firearm means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty six inches long overall g zip gun means any of the following 1 any firearm of crude and extemporized manufacture 2 any device including without limitation a starters pistol not designed as a firearm but which is specially adapted for use as a firearm 3 any industrial tool signalling device or safety device not designed as a firearm but which as designed is capable of use as such a firearm when possessed carried or used as a firearm h explosive device means any device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of an explosion and consisting of an explosive substance or agency and a means to detonate it explosive device includes without limitation any bomb any explosive demolition device any blasting cap or detonator containing an explosive charge and any pressure vessel which has been knowingly tampered with or arranged so as to explode i incendiary device means any firebomb and any device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of fire and consisting of an incendiary substance or agency and a means to ignite it j ballistic knife means a knife with a detachable blade that is propelled by a spring operated mechanism k dangerous ordinance means any of the following except as provided in division l of this section 1 any automatic or sawed off firearms zip gun or ballistic knife 2 any explosive device or incendiary device 3 nitroglycerin nitrocellulose nitrostarch petn cyclonite tnt picric acid and other high explosives amatol tritonal tetrytol pentolite pecretol cyclotol and other high explosive compositions plastic explosives dynamite blasting gelatin gelatin dynamite sensitized ammonium nitrate liquid oxygen blasting explosives blasting powder and other blasting agents and any other explosive substance having sufficient brisance or power to be particularly suitable for use as a military explosive or for use in mining quarrying excavating or demolitions 4 any firearm rocket launcher mortar artillery piece grenade mine bomb torpedo or similar weapon designed and manufactured for military purposes and the ammunition for that weapon 5 any firearm muffler or silencer 6 any military weapon 7 any detachable magazine magazine drum belt feed strip or similar device that has a capacity of or that readily can be restored or converted to accept more than fifteen rounds of ammunition 8 any combination of parts that is intended by the owner for use in converting any firearm or other device into a dangerous ordinance l dangerous ordnance does not include any of the following 1 any firearm including a military weapon and the ammunition for that weapon and regardless of its actual age which employs a percussion cap or other obsolete ignition system or which is designed and safe for use only with black powder and 2 any pistol rifle or shotgun designed or suitable for sporting purposes unless the firearm is either of the following a a military weapon as issued or as modified and the ammunition for that weapon b an automatic or sawed off firearm 3 any cannon or other artilery piece which regardless of its actual age is of a type in accepted use prior to 1887 has no mechanical hydraulic pneumatic or other system for absorbing recoil and returning the tube into battery without displacing the carriage and is designed and safe for use only with black powder 4 black powder priming quills and percussion caps possessed and lawfully used to fire a cannon of a type defined in division l 3 of this section during displays celebrations organized matches or shoots and target practice and smokeless and black powder primers and percussion caps possed and lawfully used as a propellant or ignition device in small arms or small arms ammunition 5 dangerous ordinance which is inoperable or inert and cannot readily be rendered operable or activated and which is kept as a trophy souvenir curio or museum piece 6 any device which is expressly excepted from the definition of a destructive device pursuant to the gun control act of 1968 82 stat 1213 18 u s c 921 a 4 as amended and regulations issued under that act m military weapon means any of the following 1 any firearm that originally was manufactured for military use or a copy of any such firearm if the firearm is not a bolt action firearm 2 any model of any of the following firearms that is a semi automatic firearm and is a rifle or any model of any copy of any of the following firearms that is a semi automatic firearm and is a rifle a armalite ar 180 b auto ordnance thompson models 1927a1 and m 1 c avtomat kalashnikov d poly tech ak 47s e china sports ak 47 bullpup f mitchell ak 47 and m 76 g barrett light fifty model 82a1 h baretta ar 70 i bushmaster auto rifle j calico m900 and m 100 k colt ar 15 l commando arms carbine mark 111 mark 45 and mark 9 m universal 5000 carbine enforcer n american arms arm 1 and aky 39 o daewoo max 1 and max 2 p fabrique nationale fn fal fn lar and fn fnc q famas mas 223 r feather at 9 s federal kc 900 and xc 450 t galil ar and arm u goncz high tech carbine v heckler and koch hk 91 hk 93 hk 94 and psg 1 w mandall tac 1 carbine x ruger mini 14 sf folding stock model y sig 57 amt and 500 series z springfield armory sar 48 g 3 bm 59 alpine and m1a carbine aa sterling mk 6 and mark 7 bb steyr aug cc uzi carbine and mini carbine dd valmet m 62s m 76 m 78 and m82 bullpup carbine ee weaver arms nighthawk ff military m14 and military m1 carbine 30 gg springfield armory m1a assault hh thompson 27a 5 with drum magazine ii plainfield commando universe 5000 carbine jj cobray m 11 with or without silencer kk spectre auto carbine ll swd cobray mm armi jager ap 74 and ap 74 commando nn armscorp of america israeli fn fal oo clayco sks carbine pp dragunov sniper qq emf ap 74 rr iver johnson pm30 p paratrooper ss norinco sks tt partisan avenger uu sigarms sg 550 sp and sg 551 sp vv squires bingham m 16 ww wilkinson terry carbine 3 any model of any of the following firearms that is a semi automatic firearm and is a pistol or any model of any copy of any of the following firearms that is a semi automatic firearm and is a pistol a bushmaster auto pistol b calico 100 p auto pistol c ebcin nj iv mp 9 and mp 45 d feather mini at e goncz high tech pistol f holmes mp 83 and mp 22 g intratec tec 9 and scorpion 22 h iver johnson enforcer i ingram mac 10 and mac 11 j mitchell arms spectre auto k scarab skorpion l sterling mk 7 m uzi pistol n universal enforcer o wilkinson linda auto pistol 4 any model of any of the following firearms that is a semi automatic firearm and is a shotgun or any model of any copy of any of the following firearms that is a semi automatic firearm and is a shotgun a franchi spas 12 and law 12 b striker 12 and street sweeper c benelli m1 super 90 d mossberg 500 bullpup e usas 12 auto shotgun sec 2923 17 a 1 no person shall knowingly acquire have or carry any dangerous ordnance 2 no person shall knowingly use any dangerous ordnance b this section does not apply to any of the following 1 officers agents or employees of this or any other state or the united states members of the armed forces of the united states or the organized militia of this or any other state and law enforcement officers to the extent that any such person is authorized to acquire have carry or use dangerous ordnance and is acting within the scope of his duties 2 importers manufacturers dealers and users of explosives having a license or user permit issued and in effect pursuant to the organized crime control act of 1970 84 stat 952 18 u s c 843 and any amendments or additions to or reenactments of that act with respect to explosives and explosive devices lawfully acquired possessed carried or used under the laws of this state and applicable federal law 3 importers manufactuers and dealers having a license to deal in destructive devices or their ammunition issued and in effect pursuant to the gun control act of 1968 82 stat 1213 18 u s c 923 and any amendments or additions to or reenactments of that act with respect to dangerous ordnance lawfully acquired possessed carried or used under the laws of this state and applicable federal law 4 persons to whom surplus ordnance has been sold loaned or given by the secretary of the army pursuant to 70a stat 62 and 263 10 u s c 4684 4685 4686 and any amendments or additions to or reenactments of that act with respect to dangerous ordnance when lawfully possessed and used for the purpose specified in that section 5 owners of dangerous ordnance registered in the national firearms registration and transfer record pursuant to the act of october 22 1968 82 stat 1229 26 u s c 5841 and any amendments or additions to or reenactments of and regulations issued under the act 6 carriers warehousemen and others engaged in the business of transporting or storing goods for hire with respect to dangerous ordnance lawfully transported or stored in the usual course of their business and in compliance with the laws of this state and applicable federal law 7 the holders of a license or temporary permit issued and in effect pursuant to section 2923 18 of the revised code with respect to dangerous ordnance lawfully acquired possessed carried or used for the purposes and in the manner specified in the license or permit c division a 1 of this section does not apply to the acquisition having or carrying of dangerous ordnance that is a military weapon if both of the following apply 1 the person who acquires has or carries the dangerous ordnance in question acquired it before the effective date of this amendment as a collectors item or for a legitimate research scientific educational industrial or other proper purpose 2 no later than the close of business on the seventh day after the effective date of this amendment the person who acquired the dangerous ordnance in question in accordance with division c 1 of this section submitted an application pursuant to section 2923 181 of the revised code for a license to have and carry it and the application has not been denied or a valid license has been issued to the person d divisions a 1 and 2 of this section do not apply to the acquisition having carrying or using of any dangerous ordnance described in division k 7 of section 2923 11 of the revised code that was acquired prior to the effective date of this amendment e whoever violates this section is quilty of unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance a an aggravated felony of the first degree sec 2923 181 a any person who acquired a military weapon before the effective date of this section shall file a written application for a license to have and carry the military weapon with the sheriff of the county or safety director or police chief of the municipal corporation where the applicant resides or has his principal place of business the application shall be filed no later than the close of business on the seventh day after the effective date of this section and shall be accompanied by a filing fee of fifty dollars the person shall file a separate application and pay a separate filing fee for each military weapon that he has or intends to carry the application shall contain all of the following information 1 the name age address occupation and business address of the applicant if the applicant is a natural person or the name address and principal place of business of the applicant if the applicant is a corporation 2 a description of the military weapon for which a license is requested including the serial number and all identification marks 3 a statement of the purpose for which the military weapon was acquired and for which it is to be possessed carried or used 4 any other information that the issuing authority may require in giving effect to this section 5 the oath of the applicant that the information on the application is true b 1 no later than the close of business on the fourteenth day after an application for a license to have and carry a military weapon has been filed under division a of this section the issuing authority shall either approve the application and issue a license to the applicant or deny the application and send a letter of denial by ordinary mail to the applicant after conducting any necessary investigation the issuing authority shall issue a license to an applicant whom it determines satisfies the following criteria a the applicant is twenty one years of age or older if the applicant is a natural person b it appears that the applicant will possess and carry the military weapon as a collectors item or for a legitimate scientific educational industrial or other proper purpose c it appears that the applicant has sufficient competence to have and carry the military weapon and that proper precautions will be taken to ensure the security of the military weapon and the safety of persons and property d the applicant otherswise is not prohibited by law from having or carrying dangerous ordnance 2 a license issued pursuant to division b 1 of this section shall be valid for one year after the date of its issuance the license shall be renewed pursuant to division c of this section c 1 except as provided in division c 3 of this section any person who is issued a license under division b 1 of this section shall renew the license by filing an application for renewal by regular mail with the sheriff of the county or the safety director or police chief of the municipal corporation who was the issuing authority of the license an application for renewal shall be filed annually no later than one year after the date on which the license was issued or last renewed 2 each sheriff and each safety director and peace officer of a municipal corporation shall make available applications for the renewal of a license issued under division b 1 of this section in the application the applicant under oath shall update the information submitted in the previous application for a license or the renewal of a license the application for the renewal of a license shall be accompanied by a fee of five dollars the applicant shall file a seperate application for renewal and pay a seperate renewal fee for each military weapon that he intends to continue to have and carry 3 a person who has changed his residence or principal place of business to a location outside of the jurisdiction of the issuing authority subsequent to the issuance or renewal of a license under this section shall renew his license by filing an application in the manner prescribed by division a of this section with the sheriff of the county or the safety director or police chief of the municipal corporation where he then resides or has his principal place of business when making an application to renew a license after a change in residence or place of business the applicant shall give notice of the change of address by regular mail to the original issuing authority for the license and the state fire marshall on notification forms prescribed by the sheriff safety director or police chief from whom he seeks renewal d a license to have and carry a military weapon shall identify the person to whom it is issued identify the military weapon for which it is issued state the purpose identified in division b 1 b of this section for which the military weapon will be possessed and carried state its expiration date and list all restrictions on the having or carrying of the military weapon as prescribed by the laws of this state and applicable federal law e any person who is issued a license to have and carry a military weapon under this section and who changes his address shall notify the issuing authority of the change of his address no later than ninety days after the change has occurred f the issuing authority shall forward to the state fire marshall a copy of each license issued or renewed under this section the state fire marshall shall keep a permanent file of all licenses issued or renewed under this section g the issuing authority shall cause each application fee of fifty dollars filed under division a of this section to be deposited in the general fund of the county or muncipal corporation served by the issuing authority the issuing authority shall cause two dollars and fifty cents of each renewal fee filed under division c of this section to be deposited in the general fund of the county or municipal corporation served by the issuing authority and shall send two dollars and fifty cents of each renewal fee to the treasurer of state for deposit in the state treasury to the credit of the general revenue fund h whoever violates division a of this section is guilty of failing to apply for the licensure of a military weapon a felony of the fourth degree whoever violates division c of this section is guilty of failing to apply for renewal of a license for a military weapon a misdemeanor of the first degree i a military weapon that is not licensed as required by this section is contraband as defined in section 2901 01 of the revised code and is subject to forfeiture under section 2933 43 of the revised code sec 2933 20 a no person shall do any of the following 1 import manufacture possess for sale sell or furnish to any person any military weapon 2 recklessly sell lend give or furnish any firearm to any person prohibited by section 2923 13 or 2923 15 of the revised code from acquiring or using any firearm or recklessly sell lend give or furnish any dangerous ordnance to any person prohibited by section 2923 13 2923 15 or 2923 17 of the revised code from acquiring or using any dangerous ordnance 3 possess any firearm or dangerous ordnance with purpose to dispose of it in violation of division a of this section 4 manufacture possess for sale sell or furnish to any person other than a law enforcement agency for authorized use in police work any brass knuckles cestus billy blackjack sandbag switchblade knife springblade knife gravity knife or similar weapon 5 when transferring any dangerous ordnance to another negligently fail to require the transferes to exhibit any identification license or permit showing him to be authorized to acquire dangerous ordnance pursuant to section 2923 17 of the revised code or negligently fail to take a complete record of the transaction and forthwith forward a copy of the record to the sheriff of the county or safety director or police chief of the municipality where the transaction takes place 6 knowingly fail to report to law enforcement authorities forthwith the loss or theft of any firearm or dangerous ordnance in such persons possession or under his control b whoever violates this section is quilty of unlawful transactions in weapons violation of division a 1 of this section is an aggravated felony of the first degree violation of division a 2 or 3 oof this section is a felony of the third degree violation of division a 4 or 5 of this section is a misdemeanor of the second degree violation of division 6 of this section is a midemeanor of the fourth degree section 2 that existing section 2923 11 2923 17 and 2923 20 of the revised code are hereby repealed section 3 this act is hereby declared to be an emergency measure necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace health and safety the reason for this necessity is that with immediate action this act will prohibit the continued purchase possession and use of military weapons and as a result will ameliorate a substantial threat of death and injury to the public caused by the misuse of improper use of these weapons therefore this act shall go into immediate effect larry cipriani l v cipriani att com cars re broncos does anybody have any information on the second generation broncos im not talking about bronco iis im referring to the broncos that began production in 1978 based on the f 150 chassis i believe ahh broncos well personally i have a 78 the blue book is just a hair over 3 grand i bought it for 2500 and then bought new tires 650 front end rebuild 350 carb rebuild 130 then i did the unthinkable and blew the engine not bronco specific unmaintained engine with 168 000 2400 more bucks there now it is in nice condition well after new seats out of a t bird radio 2 amps speakers alarm well the radio and amps were free and i bought the speakers used for 40 bucks and the other speakers i took out of my old jeep sell a jeep for a bronco you might ask but it was a wagoneer its a lovely specimen solid front and rear axels ford 9 and a dana 44 up front watch the rear axel wrap i busted off my u bolts once i added traction shocks after that and havent had a problem since also the bottom of the doors tend to rot bottom of the tailgates likes to rust right up to the new ones that might be in your budget the post 80 broncos have that sickly ttb front end and little stamped and folded steel radius arms were as the 78 79 have nice big cast iron longer radius arms ie more prspective wheel travel the only rust i have is on my doors and a few dings in the sheet metal i dont know when the removeable tops were discontinued but they are fun i just ordered a full convertable top for 400 for mine credit card dont ever break the window if you have the double laminated bronzed privacy glass in your cap it is over 400 bucks to replace my bronco also does pretty good offroad i havent bottomed out my suspension yet and have crossed over 3 foot deep of water with no problems handles rocks like a charm too one problem is it is wide and you sometimes cant follow a cj or a toyota between two rocks or trees and your grandmother will have a hard time getting up into it bob guns re your evil tax dollars at work was re atf burns ranch etc etc mark mark sachs mbs110 psuvm psu edu representing the students for increased beverage access siba writes oh then why did the smoke and flames start from three different places in particular three different places where there were no apvs well i only saw it start in one place a tank punched a hole in a wall and as it withdrew flames came out and spread quickly in the direction that a 30 mph wind was blowing i saw a diagram in usa today yesterday and fires started at 2 of the 3 holes that the tanks made a terrible negligent accident and if the government did start the fire then why werent people trying to get out of the compound maybe they couldnt ive often marvelled at how people could get burned alive in the upstairs of a 2 story house on fire but it happens all the time what if they were in sealed rooms trying to avoid the gas and didnt know about the fire until it surrounded them remember the israelis hiding in sealed rooms during desert storm to avoid gas bearing scuds cripes mark are you really a college student maybe you ought to stop worrying about increased beverage access and start clearing your head ever heard of questioning authority and besides oh i dont know why im even bothering ok ill buy that you do seem totally clueless i find it tremendously chilling that so many people seem eager to believe a murderous heavily armed religious cult despite much evidence to the contrary wellllll they werent murderous theyd never harmed or even threatened anybody until they were attacked by a paramilitary force using military weapons and hardware and as far as evidence what are you talking about everything the feds have said theyve retracted practically as soon as they get questioned in detail about it maybe you and your increased beverage access buddies sitting around the bar slurring stuff like they shoulda killed em all 51 days ago dont feel that way but then youre probably one of those people still saying about klinton give the guy a chance we dont even know what hes gonna do burp thought experiment suppose this exact same thing happened under the bush administration what would your answer be then would you still prefer to believe the cultists no i dont really expect a response to that challenge no problem you dont have any questions that scare any of us most of our minds are apparently more developed than yours the answer is yes in a f cking heartbeat thought experiment would you be mindlessly down on your knees with your mouth open blissfully sucking up anything the feds said if bush were the president what no comeback ok go ahead say it read my lips no new taxes p but then again that is how mr clinton was elected by people who believe that his campaign promisses would be respected by him once he got into office um isnt that how all politicians are elected not in such a great degree bush broke one promise maybe two taxes guns and we held him accountable for it of course it took him the better part of 4 years to do it slicks only been in office 101 days and hes broken lots of them anddd i imagine hell also be held accountable for that i can just see the campaign buttons now abc anybody but clinton so is there any particular reason the gummint decided to slaughter eighty people are they like just plain evil or what did they just wake up one day stretch and yawn and throw a dart at a map of the united states to figure out who to oppress that day im eager to know hmmm apparently you just got here nobodys claiming that it was anything but a stupid mistake by a bunch of incompetent public employees who normally dont get this kind of scrutiny when the mess up and as far as how they picked the davidians who knows maybe they figured that nobodyd care about such a politically incorrect group as a bunch of fundies out on the texas prairie maybe they figured theyd just go in there and run roughshod over the bds during their religious services which was the reason the feds gave for the timing of the raid rather than running into resistance maybe they knew that the bds werent anywhere near as violent as the feds spin doctors are trying to tell the public maybe they were afraid to try this kind of thing on the crips and bloods maybe it was because the atfs budget is up for approval and they seem to favor doing something dramatic whenever that is the case of course their reasoning doesnt matter only what they did and this time people are just paying more attention to it and does bill clinton have cooler theme music than darth vader not if you mean that stupid dont stop thinking about tomorrow how is he on diabolical laughter all ive ever heard is hillarys diabolical giggle waffle man seems to have lost his sense of humor does he look good in a cape dont know never seen him in one he probably looks fat and puffy faced just like in a suit i saw him in the rose garden the other day and i couldnt get over how much he is starting to look like teddy kennedy these things must be investigated you first dont worry these things will be investigated now go back to your beer you dimwit ive heard a lot of people compare bill clinton to jimmy carter and id like to go on record as saying that i dont think that its fair jimmy carter was a veteran and he had personal character and even though i cant agree with carters policies i always believed that he was telling the truth as best he understood it i cant say that for the fat cat ken whitehead kdw odin icd ab com medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition to milsh nmr z mgh harvard edu alex milshteyn am having said that i might add that in mho msg does not enhance am flavor enoughf for me to miss it when i go to chinese places am i order food without msg to me msg tastes just like a mixture of salt and sugar i dont think that is the case with most people what does it taste like to you if wishes were horses wed all have to wear hip boots origin one world los angeles 310 372 0987 32b 1 102 129 0 baseball re hunter on dl klesko up steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes in 13557 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes as a touter of braves prospects all i can say is that imo someone on the braves roster is about to become pipped it may not even be hunter but i think theyll have a problem getting klesko out of the lineup once hes in well this may be good news if klesko hits id look for bream to be traded if possible or released since bream is also a lefthander hope klesko hits according to the atlanta paper bream will be the full time first baseman with klesko used as a late inning defensive replacement if bream is lifted for a pinch runner hed have to hit a homer in his first ab or win the game or do some other amazing thing to be rewarded with a start so he could even attempt to push hunter or bream out of the lineup kurt in atlanta hoyt cc gatech edu kwh salestech com 70242 652 compuserve com politics from the greek poli many tics ugly blood sucking parasites cars re warning please read in article c5joit e31 bcstec ca boeing com neil bcstec ca boeing com neil williams writes larose austin cs utk edu brian larose writes this just a warning to everybody on the net watch out for folks standing next to the road or on overpasses they can cause serious harm to you and your car just a cliff notes version of my story follows 10pm last night i was travelling on the interstate here in knoxville i was taking an offramp exit to another interstate and my wife suddenly screamed and something large hit the side of my truck we slowed down but after looking back to see the vandals standing there we drove on to the police station she did get a good look at the guy and saw him cock his arm with something the size of a cinderblock but i never saw him we are very lucky the truck sits up high on the road if it would have hit her window it would have killed her the police are looking for the guy but in all likelyhood he is gone i am a very good driver knock on wood but it was night time and i never saw the guy the police said they thought the motive was to hit the car have us stop to check out the damage and then jump us and take the truck please be aware of folks and for your own good please dont stop peace brian larose larose cs utk edu 12 3103 essary rd knoxville tn 37918 as long as were on the subject several years ago myself and two others were riding in the front of a toyota pickup heading south on interstate 5 north of seattle wa someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our windshield not by accident im sure it was impossible to get up to the overpass quickly to see who did it we figured it was kids reported it and left a couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company he was in his mid fourties and left behind a wife and children turned out there was a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away they caught the 14 year old that did it they put a cover over the overpass what else could they do i dont think ill over forget this story in des moines iowa about a year ago some kid dropped a rock from an overpass and hit car just behind the windshield it put a dent in the roof so i guess i was lucky it hit metal its frustrating that we cant do much bother the city government to put covers on all overpasses slow down speed up a bit when driving under all overpasses in the city i like the first better but that will take time and lots of people talking to the city governments just another 02 bryan welch amateur radio n0sfg internet europa vnet ibm com best bwelch scf nmsu edu everything will perish save love and music scots gaelic proverb disclaimer its all opinion everything so there baseball billy taylor a brave or jay does anyone know where billy taylor is richmond or syracuse he was taken by the jays in the rule v draft but not kept on the roster baseball weekly said that he was demoted to syracuse but a toronto paper indicated that the braves took him back is there an atlanta fan or anyone reading this who knows thanks psl religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 starowl rahul net michael d adams writes if anyone in netland is in the process of devising a new religion do not use the lamb or the bull because they have already been reserved please choose another animal preferably one not on the endangered species list how about washed in the blood of barney the dinosaur judging from postings ive read all over usenet and on non usenet bbs conferences barney is definitely an endangered species especially if he runs into me in a dark alley a lizard a lizard internet addresses alizard tweekco boo pacbell com preferred pacbell com boo tweekco alizard bang path for above alizard gentoo com backup pgp2 2 public key available on request religion a treatise on the miracles of muhammad saw part 2 the following is an introduction as to who is muhammad saw as will be covered with this treatise muhammad peace and blessings of allah be upon him saw is the last prophet of islam he is the prophet who is revealed the last holy scripture quran by allah swa all praise be to him through the arch angel gabriel he is the seal of all prophets till the day of judgement as stated in the quran by allah swa all praise be to him muhammad saw lived between 571 632 ac all other prophethoods claimed after muhammad saw is a treason against islam against quran against the message of allah swa muhammad saw is from the seed of ishmael another messenger of allah and son of abraham also a messenger of allah he is the messenger that previous holy scriptures foretold his coming the above mentioned verse from the quran is from chapter 33 verse 40 whose rough translation is as follows muhammad is not the father of any of your men but he is the messenger of allah and the seal of the prophets and allah has full knowledge of all things commentary on the above verse when a document is sealed it is complete and there can be no further addition the holy prophet muhammad saw closed the long line of messengers allahs teaching is and will always be continuous but there has been and will be no prophet after muhammad saw the later ages will want thinkers and revivers not prophets this is not an arbitrary matter it is a decree full of knowledge and wisdom for allah has full knowledge of all things droplet vol 1 no 11 part 2 a d r o p l e t from the vast ocean of the miraculous quran translations from the arabic and turkish writings of bediuzzaman said nursi the risale i noor vol 1 no 11 part 2 nineteenth letter mujizat i ahmediye risalesi a treatise on the miracles of muhammed saw continued from droplet vol 1 no 11 part 1 second sign the noble messenger saw declared his prophethood and presented to humanity a decree as the glorious quran and manifest miracles which number according to the scholars one thousand the occurrence of those miracles in their entirety is as certain as the fact that he declared himself prophet in fact as a shown by the words of the most obstinate unbelievers quoted in various places of the wise ouran even they could not deny the occurrence of his miracles but only called them hasha wa kella allah forbids sorcery in order to satisfy themselves or to deceive their followers the miracles of muhammad saw have the certainty of confirmation by consensus of ulema scholars of islam to the hundreth degree the miracle is the conformation by the creator of the universe of his declaration of prophethood it has the effect of the words you have indeed spoken the truth suppose that you said in the assembly of a ruler while being observed by him the true ruler has appointed me to such and such position at a time when you were asked to prove your claim the word yes uttered by the ruler would sufficiently support you or if the ruler changed his usual practice and attitude at your request this would confirm your claim even more soundly and more definitely than would the word yes in the same way allahs most noble messenger claimed i am the envoy of the creator of this universe my proof is that he will change his unbroken order at my request and my prayer now look at my fingers he makes them run like a fountain with five spigots look at the moon by a gesture of my finger he splits it in two look at that tree to affirm me and to bear witness to me it moves and comes near to me look at this food although it is barely enough for two or three men it satisfies two or three hundred further he shows hundreds of similar miracles however the evidences of the veracity of this high being and the proofs of his prophethood are not restricted to his miracles all his deeds and acts his words and behavior his moral conduct and manners his character and appearance prove to the attentive his truthfulness and seriousness indeed many people such as abdullah b salam the famous scholar of the children of israel came to belief merely by seeing him and said no lie can hide in this face nor can any fraud be found in it although many of the researchers have concluded that the proofs of the prophethood of muhammad and his miracles number about one thousand there are thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands of proofs of his prophethood and hundreds of thousands of truth seeking men muhakkikiin with varying opinions have affirmed his prophethood in an equal number of ways the wise ouran alone demonstrates thousands of the proofs of his prophethood in addition to its own forty aspects of miraculousness since prophethood is as a phenomenon of humanity and hundreds of thousands of individuals who claimed prophethood and performed miracles have lived and passed away then the prophethood of muhammad saw is of a certanity superior to that of the prophethood of all the others for whatever evidences qualities and attributes became the means of the prophethood and messengership of all the messengers such as jesus as and moses as they are all owned in a more perfect and comprehensive fashion by muhammad saw and since the causes and means of prophetic authority exist more perfectly in the person of muhammad saw this authority is to be found in him with more certanity than all the other prophets to be continued allah willing irfan alan a servant of islam guns the lies of texas l neil smith posted for l neil smith by cathy smith the lies of texas okay what have we learned for reasons still being kept secret a federal agency already known well enough to be examined and rebuked by several legislative committees over the years for a longstanding violent disregard of the law invades the home of a man whose religious beliefs and personal habits they abominate violating his rights under the first second fourth fifth ninth and fourteenth amendments to the constitution the man and his followers fight back killing four of the outlaw agencys minions wounding many more and suffering their own losses in the process the agency responds by cutting off his electricity water and especially his contact with the outside world they are then free to say anything at all about him in pronouncements that contradict one another daily as the agency finds itself locked in a bitter power struggle with another outfit eager to gain credit for straightening out the mess and more importantly to script his side of the subsequent negotiations any way they please the impasse lasts almost two months ironically at the same time four l a cops are being given a second trial for brutalizing a single individual sparking one of the ugliest riots in history armored vehicles surround the house already ringed with snipers using scoped high powered rifles loudspeakers playing obnoxious records at the highest possible volume and searchlights deprive those in the house of sleep in the aftermath nobody in authority will mention the effect this technique originated by north korean communists as a battle tactic may have had on their judgment finally another irony on the 50th anniversary of the rising of the warsaw ghetto some of the armor punches holes in the house and gas of some kind is injected the house bursts into flame and is reduced to ashes in less than an hour at least 80 lives including those of more than a dozen children are snuffed out spokesmen for the outlaw agencies the attorney general and the president all hold press conferences to articulate a common theme blame the victim he had illegal weapons as soon as they can be prepared in a secret government workshop and planted among the cinders being examined by the agency that created them he was abusing children the tapes will be stored with the data on the jfk assassination he set the fire our snipers saw him doing it film at 11 in 3000 a d he shot his followers who tried to escape or was that jim jones best of all hes dead he cant say a damn thing to embarrass us any more than when his contact with the world was severed at the start of the whole travesty a leading national paper claims 93 of the american people believe that a man who resisted a savage attack on his home is somehow responsible for everything that resulted but when did you ever know 93 of americans to agree on anything doesnt this sound more like the outcome of a soviet election than an opinion poll very well what can we infer from the above for starters never forget that although democratic careers are on the line and rightfully so over this fiasco by the outlaw agencys admission it was planned and rehearsed by a republican administration which may explain why paul harvey who evidently used up all his courage and integrity changing his mind at about the same time i did about the war in viet nam has been acting as little more than a mouthpiece for a state that has no regard for the bill of rights more importantly when rush limbaugh whos been a quivering tower of jello during the whole thing takes essentially the same stance as bill clinton its time for fundamental changes if not in the system then at least within yourself on march 5 back at the beginning mary gingell national chair of the libertarian party issued a press release condemning the outlaw agency and calling for its abolition in fact the lp has promised in its platform since 1977 for at least 16 years to abolish both agencies involved in waco im proud to say i was there and helped to write that plank true the lp is tiny and insignificant although less so than in 1977 ask the democrats in georgia if you doubt it but alone in a howling wilderness of fascists scrambling now to cover their behinds with phony polls and big lies the lp is right about what happened in waco and if their advice had been followed in 1977 waco never would have happened think about it and think about the fact that if youve had enough of political parties more interested in collecting and holding power at whatever cost to the bill of rights let alone human life than in defending and expanding individual liberty maybe the change its time for within yourself is to make the lp less tiny and insignificant by a single voice and a single vote think about it l neil smith author the probability broach the crystal empire henry martyn and forthcoming pallas editor lever action bbs 303 493 6674 fidonet 1 306 31 4 libertarian second amendment caucus nra life member my opinions are of course my own medicine re cant breathe update thanks to all those who responded to my original post on this question the final diagnosis was stress i did not take her for a chiropractic adjustment rachel receives all her medical care at keller army hospital since she is a military dependant and the army does not yet provide chiropractic adjustments as part of its regular health care i am hoping that the arrival of 1 spring break and 2 college acceptance letters will help unfortunately she was wait listed at the college she most dearly wanted to attend so it seems as though that stressor may just continue for a while meanwhile she is going on a camping trip with her religious youth group for spring break which seems like a good stress reliever to me thanks again for everybodys help advice suggestions ideas ruth ginzberg rginzberg eagle wesleyan edu philosophy department wesleyan university usa windows re pc geos windows os 2 and unix x11 in sehari 734022369 vincent2 iastate edu sehari iastate edu babak sehari writes with my limited knowladge about the pc geos i came out with following comparison pc geos windows os 2 unix x11 2 can run win programs nop yap yap nop novell is at least demoing windows apps running under unixware 5 can run unix nop i have not nop yap heard of it try mks mks others esp emx note here the mks toolkit for dos windows os 2 gives you a good suite of standard unix utilities there are other similar systems from other vendors as well the emx system for os 2 gives you most of the standard unix system calls for recompiling your unix programs under os 2 not quite the same thing as actually running unix programs directly in either case but emx makes os 2 almost as compatible with unix systems as many unix systems are with each other and best of all emx is free there is a similar system go32 for dos but it doesnt work with windows as far as i know 7 price 120 70 120 free 1000s a good one costs 400 700 avaliable on ext card too should add in the cost for dos with both geos and windows neither of which is a standalone os at this point neither os 2 nor unix requires dos btw two of the best unices ive seen for the pee cee are unixware 300 for the personal edition and linux free so i dont agree that a good one costs 400 700 and if you really want to check out the various options available to you you should also look into desqview and desqview x cheers chris waters the insane dont judys in the bedroom xtifr netcom com need disclaimers inventing situations d byrne windows chameleon nfs ne2100 card hi i got a ne2100 compatible ethernet card and i just received my copy of chameleon nfs unfortunately it is not compatible with the ne2100 only ne2000 or ne1000 what is the latest version number for chameleon nfs did soemone tackle this problem thanks for help f popineau e mail popineau ese metz fr popineau loria fr voice mail 33 87 74 99 38 surface mail ecole superieure delectricite 2 rue edouard belin f 57078 metz cedex 3 france guns reference needed does anybody have any solid data on how many legally owned versus illegally owned firearms are used in crime i know the number of legally owned guns used in crime is small but i would like a number and a reference if possible data should be e mailed to me open discussion should be directed to talk politics guns seth unlike cats dogs never scratch you when you wash them they just become very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong dave barry seth eliot dept of material science and engineering carnegie mellon univerity pittsburgh pa arpa eliot cmu edu or se08 andrew cmu edu bitnet se08 andrew cmccvb guns re cnn for sale croaker highlite uucp francis a ney writes i will add my voice to the hopefully growing multitudes i hereby pledge 1000 00 towards the purchase of cnn under the same conditions as already described i will also post this idea on the other nets i can access rime and libernet ill go in for 1000 worth of cnn stock is anyone from the nra listening cars 4x4 on off road rally joliet il attention all four wheel off road enthusiasts on off road rally sunday april 25th joliet illinois the event the joliet mud turtles a chicago land four wheel drive club is sponsoring an on off road rally sunday april 25th for those who ask what is an on off road rally well an on off road rally consists of the following 1 an on the road rally where participants are given a set of directions and clues guiding participates around the joliet plainfield area the object is to navigate a course based on a set of directions and clues participants will be given a set of questions pertaining to the course which they must answer along the way points are awarded for the number of correct answers given directions will ultimately lead to an off road area where a four wheel drive course is set up at various locations in the on road course check points will be set up where participants will be asked other questions or requested to perform some activity e g tire roll truck tow basketball free throw etc for additional points 2 an optional off road four wheel drive course where participants will navigate off road trails mud bogs and or hill climbs points are awarded for successfully navigating off road obstacles without getting stuck if you should get stuck which is half the fun anyway there will be assistance to get your vehicle unstuck so you can try it again the off road course will divided up based on tire size so stock 4x4s as well as modified 4x4s can run the course at the end of the rally trophies will be awarded to top scoring participants door prizes and dash plaques will also be given out food and drinks also available at the conclusion this is an organized activity sponsored by the joliet mud turtles so safety and fun is our foremost concern all 4x4s must be street legal and have solid tow points for the off road section of the course we dont want to have to separate someones bumper from their vehicle the particulars rally begins at instant replay 2409 plainfield road joliet il 815 436 9382 see map below registration is between 9 and 10 30 a m first truck out at 10 00 a m rally date is sunday april 25th rain or shine there is an entry fee of 10 per truck you must have a co driver passengers allowed a valid drivers license is required suggested equipment cb radio compass tow strap and clevis clip board and pencil no alcohol during rally for more information contact gary 815 727 3415 tom 815 485 9346 norm jr 815 741 4853 brian 708 979 6083 instant replay 1 9mi 1 2 mi north rt30 exit 257 rt55 canton larkin farm ave rd 3 mi rt80 v exit 130b windows how can i change the font and size for the system hi on the 1024x768x256 mode the font sizes of window menu help window are very small can i change the font and font size for these windows my computer is 80486 dx 33 the video card is ati d24 could some experts please email the answer to grzheng vax2 concondia ca thanks in advance guo rong zhehg concordia univ montreal canada medicine podiatry school info hello i am planning on attending podiatry school next year i have narrowed my choices to the pennsylvania college of podiatric medicine in philadelphia or the california college of podiatric medicine in san francisco if anyone has any information or oppinions about these two schools please tell me i am having a hard time deciding which one to attend and must make a decision very soon thank you larry live from new york its saturday night tonights special guest lawrence silverberg from the state university of new york albany aka ls8139 gemini albany edu guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 1993apr17 235338 2819 ucsu colorado edu fcrary ucsu colorado edu frank crary says i have never seen anyone else practice marksmanship by taking their gun out of their coat as fast as possible and start shooting that is the recommended way to practice with a ccw too aim alone is no d goo for defense if you cant get the gun rapidly very true but the way it was being done was just a little unusual it looked to me like they were practicing to shoot someone the point that i forgot to bring up here and this has nothing to do with being a gang member or not is that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in this area or in the state of illinois for that matter this is not to say that people in illinois dont carry concealed weapons illegaly but practicing like that when there are other people around wasnt too bright of an idea there isnt necessarily a conflict between practicing with a concealed weapon for self defence and practicing to shoot someone armed self defence does occasionally involve shooting an attacker frank crary cu boulder i agree if you dont practice at all and carry a gun for self defense you most likely would be in big trouble if a situation were to arise jason u28037 uicvm cc uic edu cars re license plates in article 1993apr14 143750 120204 marshall wvnet edu edf003 marshall wvnet edu writes hi im interested in getting the list for license plate numbers if anyone has a listing id appreciate getting a copy of it thanks you can go to the dmv and ask for their listing although i dont know where you may actually buy a copy you can use theirs for your perusal in california the listing of personalized license plates run 3 volumes each about 1 5 thick i hope this is what youre asking for ken kenneth k f lui klui corp hp com 3000 hanover street ms20bj corporate administrative information systems palo alto ca 94304 usa core application technologies 1 415 857 3230 fax 1 415 852 8026 medicine re ob gyn residency in article 1993apr12 231544 5990 cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye writes i believe it is illegal for a residency to discriminate against fmgs i is that true i know some that wont even interview fmgs most programs discriminate in that given an fmg equally qualified as an american they will take the american what rights do they actually have does it matter if they are us citizens most are not we have had good luck with fmgs and bad luck some of our very best residents have been fmgs also our very worst as it turns out the worst fmgs are often us citizens that studied in off shore medical schools of the 5 residents fired for incompetence in the 12 years ive been here in my department all have been fmgs 3 were us citizens who studied in guadalajara 1 was a us citizen but was trained in the soviet union and one was philipina unfortunately all are now practicing medicine somewhere 3 of them in neurology after having been picked up by other programs 1 in psychiatry and the other in emergency medicine gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon guns re bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks this was no move fuck up a helicoptor was thermal imaging the compound that afternoon and detected three fires erupting almost simultaneously did anyone notice any helicopters equipped with thermal imaging equipment they usually manifest themselves in a turret in the front of the helo or a sphere on top of the rotor with optical elements i didnt notice any uh 1s or other helos equipped as such did they use handheld military thermal scanners if so there is no recording capability and hence the credibility of the report is subject to human error guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article c5y1lj 7at news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes in article c5vgme goa usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf writes in article c5v9fv krt news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes in article c5uhuo awq usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf writes in article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu nathan engle writes yeah as information trickles in funny how that works funny yeah funny how you didnt wait for the fbi spokesdroid latest reversal of facts before proclaiming the bds burned themselves to death if you wont believe anything the government says and the press is not reliable according to the same logic then what do you base your statements on wild speculation laced with a healthy dose of paranoia then post what the press has said not what you wished they said the medical examiner has refuted the fbi facts and if you dont believe someone who has a lot more reason to be impartial then what do you have to say for yourself are you a moron or just illiterate the facts that the fbi neither i was willing to grant this for sake or argument until i read the following proclaimed on monday suddenly werent facts anymore by the tuesday press conference you dont have to pay attention to any one source neither do you have to abandon your critical thinking but to disregard all sources of information as lies and distortions and substitute your own pet theories is more likely to get you wild untruths than by basing your theories on the facts as they are reported by the media and the government the facts as reported by the press and impartial government sources support me there has beed no evidence of anyone setting the fire deliberately you simpleton so actually there was evidence of the fire being set deliberately both testamony by the survivors and ir tape showing the fire being set in 3 places and the petrochemical soot that the fire was giving off indications of kerosine or gasoline feeding the fire there is no testimony at the press conference the fbi said they had no testimony the survivors as reported by cnn and newsday wire service said that all the survivors gave consistent stories refuting the fbi they were lighting and heating with kerosine are you trying to prove youre an idiot you might not believe 1 or 2 if you are totally paranoid or very skeptical but my 3rd point is visible to anyone who watches the tapes of the fire and has started a bbq grill what are you basing your statements on oh i forgot youre the guy that doesnt know microwave oven need electricity never mind ho ho ho i listen to npr watch cnn nbc i also read the papers where do you get yours then open your eyes and ears at least 3 of those 4 sources have reported your full of shit personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu i speak for myself only clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema cars re legal car buying problems rboudrie chpc org rob boudrie writes in article 9285 27317 stratus swdc stratus com bob runway swdc stratus com bob hutson writes after agreeing to terms i signed the contract and drove home in my new car later that same night i noticed that the terms in the were different from the terms i had agreed to i made the stupid mistake of not checking everything on the contract this all happened last saturday i have heard that there is a cooling off law allowing me three days to reconsider the contract is this true can anyone point me to the law the transaction happened at the dealership if it matters this cooling off period applies only in certain situations lik ewhen you are solicited at home i also think the cooling off period ends if you actually accept the merchandise if this were not the case any car buyer would have the right to return a slightly used highly devalued car 2 days after buying it yeah thats the trick if i want to buy a new car id have a firend buy return one then go in and negotiate a better deal on a pre owned used car however if you agree some terms and then when about to sign the dealer slips you a contract with different terms and leads you to believe that it embodies the terms you verbally agreed to that is fraud there is no 3 day limit on restitution for fraud you may have to sue and win to get out of this you will almost certainly have to threaten to sue john oswalt jao megatest com or jao netcom com guns re hr 1276 a gun law i can live with cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1993apr15 171601 25930 dg rtp dg com meyers leonardo rtp dg com bill meyers writes a bill to establish the right to obtain firearms for security and to use firearms in defense of self family or home and to provide for the enforcement of such right maybe im too religious but when i see a bill to establish a right i wince keep in mind what the law giveth the law can taketh away cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet i dont think your objection is beyond the bounds of rationality the right mentioned in the bill is already established under the second amendment the bill should be reworded to reaffirm the second amendment rkba and then establish the procedures for redress through the federal court system the right already exists and is already embodied in our constitution aaron arc cco caltech edu cars re what is the deal with blue book value of an auto newton convex com vicki newton writes i am in the process of buying a new auto i havent decided yet whether i should sell my current car myself or trade it in as part of the new auto purchase i know that the blue book value for the car is 2825 an acquaintence has offered to give me blue book value for the car i am just wondering if this is a standard measure for negotiating a resale price or if i can hope to get more money from someone else what exactly is blue book value based on i know that for its year 88 my car has low mileage 50 000 it is in excellent working condition but does have a few dings on the exterior nothing major do any of these facts alter the fair selling p rice of the car i am not looking to rip anyone off i just naturally want to get the best price for the car thanks a million veek i think the blue book is the nada handbook for used car prices no is the blue book value given the retail or wholesale value the blue book value isnt set in stone though low milage extra addons and stuff like that there can increase the resale price of the car you may want to head on over to the local library or borrow your friends blue book and read up on that sort of stuff i paid 400 under bb retail for my 87 civic in 1990 and it was in perfect condition and had only 14 5k miles on it the guy was desparate to sell new kid on the way etc but it was a good price remeber both you and the buyer if he has any sort of brains at all are using the blue book so you should pick a fair price chintan amin llama uiuc edu chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area religion re did he really rise emery the one single historic event that has had the biggest impact on the world over the centuries is the resurrection of jesus this is hardly possible as the majority of people in the world were born lived their life and died without ever knowing anything about christ the majority of the rest of the world have decided that he is not who emery thinks he is emery why were the writers of the new testament documents so convinced that jesus really did rise from the dead we have four gospel accounts i am leaving out all proofs of emerys which rely on quoting the bible as proof circular reasoning etc there have been occasions already stated many times for later generations of xtians to change edit or otherwise alter the bible to fit their political gospel and if we accept the bible as true just because the bible says it is true then to be fair we have to do the same to the bhagavad gita and the koran both of which contradict the bible enough said emery yet we have no reason to believe these disciples to be immoral and dishonest we have no historic information that would lead us to the conclusion that these people were not god fearing people who sincerely and whole heartedly believed that the resurrection of their lord jesus was a real event and for what gain would they lie to make a stand at that time meant persecution imprisonment and perhaps even death again this is only the biblical account and there is no independent proof of any of this happening it just isnt there besides simply being sincere or willing to die for your faith does not make your faith correct there are muslims dying in bosnia right now does the fact that they are willing to die for islam mean that islam is the correct religion emery history bears out the persecution of christians roman historian cornelius tacitus govenor of asia in a d 112 writing of neros reign alluded to the torture of christians in rome all you have proven is that these people were tortured for their faith that does not prove that their faith is true or correct it just means that they were sincere in their beliefs being willing to die for what you believe doesnt make your belief the truth its not that easy and minority religions have always suffered torture muslims suffer torture and harassment in india and bosnia today all religions are harassed in china today you havent proven anything so far emery with all the suffering and persecution that it meant to be a believer it would be quite probable that at least one of those in the supposed conspiracy would come forward and confess that the whole thing was a big hoax not if they didnt believe that it was a hoax emery yet not one did it seems rather reasonable that the disciples did not make up the resurrection but sincerely believed that jesus had actually risen from the dead especially in light of the sufferings that came upon those who believed the followers of muhammad firmly believed in the miracles that the koran says muhammad performed they were attacked and slaughtered for their beliefs they didnt denounce muhammad or islam if you are correct then that means islam is the true faith you see how stupid your proofs are baseball re jewish baseball players in article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we werent able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help thanks bobby hank greenberg would have to be the most famous because his jewish faith actually affected his play missing late season or was it world series games because of yom kippur pablo iglesias pi ruth ece jhu edu cars re who was or what is miata as used in the mazda miata sayeth sjwyrick lbl gov steve wyrick anybody keeping track of how many of these there are so far i have miata tredia previa sentra maxima altima camry and justy not to mention lexus acura and infiniti youre apparently including names that are or appear to be derivatives of real words in english or some other language e g acura infiniti maxima altima in which case you missed ones such as integra supra allante capri and calibra in canada add serenia and precidia if you count misspellings add protege and in canada vigor how about the forthcoming mondeo if it is given that name in north america others might include celica corolla paseo and tercel in canada add asu na i know that sometimes my jaw clicks when i eat void where prohibited have you seen this boy lust never sleeps i say hurl honey im home silver bokonon uucp uunet becker xrtll bokonon silver windows 80 col mail messages in ms windows editors i have a modest system of aliases macros that enables me to download mail from a public access unix system to my ms dos box i read and reply to the mail with a ms windows 3 1 based editor everything works peachey keen as long as the author of the message has maintained his text at 80 col max width sometimes i get slightly wider messages that run off screen so i have to use the cursor slider to read the whole thing im using ndw deskedit mainly but ive experienced the same prob with all other ms windows editors ive fiddled with word wrap settings in the various editors but to no avail i know im missing something very basic in editor setup but what is it oh yeah ms word for windows converts everything flawlessly but for what im looking for thats like using a tank to crack walnuts id really like to have an editor setup that would display all incoming ascii files in a readable format to my screen thanks in advance erich w lantz ama 601821 ewl world std com distributor of deflagration 0815 85 virago well yer dead now so shut up m p windows re more cool bmp files in article c61yhr n1i world std com paladin world std com thomas g schlatter says in article 1993apr24 062055 7123 seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes begin cut here begin 666 ntreal bmp m0dtv5p 8 h m p a f cd 56 d d m4pa 4h p l 1 u n l0 4wa j 0 b h 9tj3 kkzp 0 m td4i zgb0 uh 0a 6e i 4b i bbzx e1 bv deleted a lot of stuff how do you convert this to a bit map youre supposed to delete everything above the cut here mark and below the lower cut here mark and uudecode it but i was not able to unexpected end of file encountered at the last line could you please re post it or tell be what im doing wrong sounds like the original poster of the bitmap uuencoded the file on a dos machine and you tried to uudecode it on a un x machine and your uudecode program balked at the carraige returns well my newsreader shows the uue file as having lots of spaces which means its broken before i even try to download it did anyone get it to uudecode successfully aengus rbyaml rohmhaas com aengus lawlor rbyaml rohvm1 bitnet who used to be alawlor dit ie how about some of that famous dublin wit barman certainly sir would that be dry or sparkling windows re logic of backup in the newer versions of norton backup for windows 2 0 at least there is an emergency disk which will allow you to restore from tape without reinstalling dos windows i understand its sort of cumbersome to use but not nearly as much as reinstalling everything steven a mccluney better to remain silent and be sam4628 chensun2m tamu edu thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubts i can hardly speak for myself religion re oto the ancient order of oriental templars 930418 do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law honestly the word of sin is restriction would i kid you does one mans words encompass the majestic vision of thousands of individuals quoting a man is not the same as quoting the order taken out of context words can be interpreted much differently than had one applied them within the confines of their original expression i think this is the case regarding hymenaeus beta frater superior of the order to which i belong when he included that bit from merlinus x he did us all a service he showed us the extremes to which order members have been known to go in their fervor i have little knowledge regarding reuss background but surely he was an unusual man and he was an important force in the order for many years yet as people change so do orders change and while we look back so carefully at the dirty laundry of o t o remember that this is only the surface skim and that many perspectives are now encompassed which extend beyond any one individual i hope to show that there was and is much room for a difference of opinion within the order itself perhaps by testing the limits myself let us examine this issue a bit more closely in 1895 karl kellner 1850 1905 a wealthy austrian industrialist and paper chemist as well as a high grade mason founded the ordo templi orientis kellner had traveled widely in the east where he met three adepts who instructed him specific magical practices kellners efforts to develop the order were later assisted by franz hartmann heinrich klein and theodore reuss who had worked together prior to joining the o t o the order was first proclaimed in 1902 in reusss masonic publication oriflamme on kellners death reuss succeeded him as outer head o h o the jubilee edition of the oriflamme published in 1912 announced that the order taught secret of sexual magic theodore reuss was an interesting character born june 28 1855 in augsburg he entered masonry in 1876 he was a singer journalist and possibly a spy for the prussian political police infiltrating the socialist league founded by karl marxs daughter and her husband reuss was later associated with william wynn westcott a leader of the golden dawn who later introduced him to john yarker yarker chartered reuss to found the rites of memphis and mizraim in germany after several attempts to concretize various masonic rites reuss settled on the development of the o t o the order experienced reasonably steady growth under reuss leadership for example he chartered papus in france rudolph steiner in berlin and h spencer lewis in the usa in 1912 the historic meeting between reuss and crowley occurred crowley wrote that reuss came to him and accused him of revealing order secrets when crowley looked at it afresh the initiated interpretation of sexual magick unfolded itself to him for the first time reuss appointed crowley as supreme and holy king of all the english speaking world and it was this authorization that he invoked when publishing the material of the equinox reuss resigned as outer head of the order in 1922 after suffering a stroke and named crowley his successor all was well until 1925 when the book of the law was translated into german there was a break in the continuity of the order manyk members split with the new o h o over the book which crowley was actively promulgating through the order he had earlier revise dthe order rituals at reusss request deeply infusing the doctrines of the new aeon revelation an introduction to the history of the o t o by ad veritatem ix within equinox iii 10 edited by hymenaeus beta frater superior rex summus sanctissimus caliph of the united states of america published by samuel weiser 1990 there are many possible reasons that our frater superior included this material in equinox iii 10 and this is the real point is it not why did he wish to publish such things about the history of his own organization does he represent a dogmatic threat to the principle of thelema or is he exercising his true will and putting forth very complex pictures with no easy answers a picture which leaves room for very many interpretations it is quite easy for me to see for example that all of o t o derived out of the dribble of faltering masonry purchased by clever hucksters with an ounce of courage and some writing ability to aid them and i can take that all the way down to our present caliph whose feeble support of the law of thelema is laughable at best would i be thrown out of the order for speaking in this way will i i think not why because my frater will see it as a perspective an interjection i am using as an example my illustration shows that we may express things in the context of a larger work and the true significance of this may be quite difficult to apprehend at first so it may be with oto and merlinus x please look o t o more carefully i do not support reusss words myself as i am not qualified to assess them and i am critical of their pomposity if i who am a member of the order take such a stand and am allowed to continue doing so then what can this say about the health of the order does it mean that the order has gone soft and abandoned its moral principles or does it mean that it is strong in its ability to let the will of universal kinship arise on its own not shackled by some dogmatic requirement how shall we resolve these two possibilities i find a high calibre of individual associated with ordo templi orientis they are often quite intelligent and sometimes very well versed in arcane or usual information they are quite often artists and geniuses having met some 20 longstanding members in the sf bay area many who are or were very heavily involved with the order i can vouch for the integrity of the organization as it stands i have sometimes questioned the policy of hymenaeus beta in these moments i followed my intuition and ive found little to stop me from requesting a second initiation from a different o t o body im happily participating in social groups feasts or initiations and have come to know the gnostic mass well enough for my tastes this doesnt make me an authority on order politics and explanations however i can only hypothesize and relay to you what i understand based on my limited contact with other members i urge you not to take the words of merlinus x too far there are many ways to interpret words and many people who have become involved with the order feel very strongly about the sanctity of personal freedom and the preservation of individual vision i welcome other comment on this issue and will be writing more in response to other posts in this thread invoke me under my stars love is the law love under will i am i frater i nigris dclxvi cccxxxiii guns re some more about gun control in article 1993apr14 232806 18970 beaver cs washington edu graham cs washington edu stephen graham writes its worth noting that us vs miller sustained millers conviction of possession of an illegal firearm noting that a sawed off shotgun was not a proper militia weapon therefore us vs miller supports limited government regulation of firearms then it also supports basing such regulations on ignorance miller had disappeared and nobody bothered to present his side to the supreme court in particular that sawed off shotguns were used in the world war i trenches and in other tight spots ever since guns had been invented would you turn one down if you had to clean an alley in e st louis vegetarians kill too guns batf fbi do right thing in waco everyone is complaining about the debacle in waco it is hard to understand all this angst what happend there is nothing less than what we wanted to happen why all the sour grapes batf was looking for a propaganda event to counteract their impending budget cuts the attendance of the press at the initial big commando raid is proof it would have been ever so easier to grab koresh and his central followers as they shopped in waco alas no propaganda value there the fbi screwed up big time all the time they should have never allowed the situation to drag out like that a quick second assault before the bds could decide on a strategy would have been the better plan the bds themselves were the biggest screw ups though they imagined that us law and us law enforcement had no jurisdiction within their little country wrong they had no right whatsoever to fire on the batf and if they mistook their identity initially they should have surrendered at once when they did realize who they were if the bds had a problem with the warrants they take it to court just like the rest of us if they wanted full auto weapons they could have obtained the proper permits just like the rest of us would need to do what they may not do is decide for themselves what us law applies to themselves and which does not they get their chance like the rest of us at the voting booth if the batf and fbi have become latter day gestapo then they have become that way because we have desired them to be so we get to vote on laws and on the lawmakers by our choices over the years we have approved the creation and form of the batf and fbi when the fbi was out chasing pinkos the general public didnt seem to mind a bit of extra constitutional activity when the batf is raiding militant black organizations we dont mind the heavy hand when the fbi is dicking around with the rights of potheads the public doesnt mind suddenly when we see a bit of ourselves in the current enemy choosen by these agencies we get all bent out of shape suprise you reap what you sow waco was an encapsulation of the all american experience religious fanaticism militaristic thinking and overwhelming violence dont blame it on them the fbi and batf they were just acting within the parameters we have set over the years we made them we are them jim mason cars re is car saftey important tcorkum bnr ca trevor corkum writes is it only me or is safety not one of the most important factors when buying a car it depends on your priorities a lot of people put higher priorities on gas mileage and cost than on safety buying unsafe econoboxes instead of volvos i personally take a middle ground the only thing i really look for is a three point seatbelt and 5 mph bumpers i figure that 30mph collisions into brick walls arent common enough for me to spend that much extra money for protection but there are lots of low speed collisions that do worry me jim frost jimf centerline com baseball mlb standings and scores for wed apr 21st 1993 mlb standings and scores for wednesday april 21st 1993 including yesterdays games national west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road san francisco giants 09 05 643 8 2 won 2 05 02 04 03 houston astros 07 06 538 1 5 7 3 lost 1 02 04 05 02 atlanta braves 08 07 533 1 5 4 6 won 1 04 03 04 04 los angeles dodgers 06 08 429 3 0 4 6 lost 1 03 03 03 05 san diego padres 05 08 385 3 5 4 6 lost 1 03 04 02 04 colorado rockies 04 08 333 4 0 4 6 lost 2 03 03 01 05 cincinnati reds 04 09 308 4 5 3 7 won 2 02 04 02 05 national east philadelphia phillies 10 03 769 7 3 won 2 06 01 04 02 st louis cardinals 08 05 615 2 0 6 4 won 1 05 02 03 03 chicago cubs 07 06 538 3 0 6 4 won 1 04 03 03 03 montreal expos 07 06 538 3 0 5 5 won 2 04 03 03 03 pittsburgh pirates 07 06 538 3 0 4 6 lost 4 03 03 04 03 new york mets 06 06 500 3 5 4 6 lost 2 02 04 04 02 florida marlins 04 09 308 6 0 3 7 lost 2 02 05 02 04 american west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road texas rangers 08 04 667 6 4 lost 1 04 02 04 02 california angels 07 04 636 0 5 6 4 won 1 04 02 03 02 minnesota twins 07 05 583 1 0 6 4 won 1 04 03 03 02 chicago white sox 06 07 462 2 5 4 6 won 1 02 03 04 04 oakland athletics 05 06 455 2 5 4 6 won 1 05 02 00 04 seattle mariners 05 08 385 3 5 3 7 lost 1 03 03 02 05 kansas city royals 04 09 308 4 5 4 6 won 2 02 05 02 04 american east boston red sox 11 03 786 8 2 won 4 06 01 05 02 detroit tigers 08 05 615 2 5 7 3 won 1 06 01 02 04 toronto blue jays 07 06 538 3 5 5 5 lost 1 04 02 03 04 new york yankees 06 07 462 4 5 5 5 lost 3 03 03 03 04 milwaukee brewers 04 06 400 5 0 4 6 lost 1 02 02 02 04 cleveland indians 05 09 357 6 0 3 7 lost 2 04 03 01 06 baltimore orioles 04 08 333 6 0 4 6 lost 1 02 04 02 04 yesterdays scores idle teams listed in alphabetical order national league american league houston astros 1 chicago white sox 2 chicago cubs 2 baltimore orioles 1 14 los angeles dodgers 3 texas rangers 1 montreal expos 7 detroit tigers 3 cincinnati reds 5 milwaukee brewers 0 pittsburgh pirates 0 minnesota twins 10 atlanta braves 5 toronto blue jays 2 florida marlins 4 kansas city royals 8 san diego padres 3 cleveland indians 2 philadelphia phillies 4 14 california angels 7 san francisco giants 4 new york yankees 7 new york mets 1 11 oakland athletics 9 10 colorado rockies 0 boston red sox 5 st louis cardinals 5 seattle mariners 2 joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers baseball mcrae is re torre the worst manager in article 16bb1c589 dak988s vma smsu edu ext dak988s vma smsu edu writes gt7469a prism gatech edu brian r landmann writes joe torre has to be the worst manager in baseball brian a very distressed cardinal fan no hal mcrae is the worst manager in baseball ive never seen a guy who can waste talent like he can one of the best raw talent staffs in the league and hes still finding a way to lose ill be surprised if he makes it through the next 2 weeks unless drastic improvement is made kc news was doing a report on that they said that mcrae is really a batting coach and not a manager but for some reason he took the job whatever the reason the royals need a new manager now while it is too late scott d davis scott mccall com the mccall pattern company uucp widener depot mccall scott 615 mccall road 800 255 2762 in kansas 913 776 4041 manhattan ks 66502 usa medicine re frequent nosebleeds in a previous article mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu michael covington says in article 9304191126 aa21125 seastar seashell bebmza sru001 chvpkh chevron com beverly m zalan writes my 6 year son is so plagued lots of vaseline up his nose each night seems to keep it under control but let him get bopped there and hell recur for days also allergies colds dry air all seem to contribute but again the vaseline or a d ointment or neosporin all seem to keep them from recurring if you can get it you might want to try a canadian over the counter product called secaris which is a water soluble gel compared to vaseline or other greasy ointments secaris seems more compatible with the moisture thats already there secaris is reasonably inexpensive 6 00 cdn for a tube and is indeed an over the counter medication why it does not appear to be available in the us i dont know its manufactured in montreal its a nasal lubricant and is intended to help nosebleeds that result from dry mucous membranes from some of the replies to my original posting its evident that some people do not secrete enough mucous to keep their nose lining protected from environmental influences ie dry air but ive had no responses from anyone with experience with rutin is there another newsgroup that might have specifics on herbal remedies but thanks to all those who did reply with their experiences robert allison windows workaround for citizen drivers i have been experiencing several end user problems with various commercial software packages wordperfect 5 2 win publish it win 3 1 and printing landscape mode on a citizen pn48 the little guy or the citizen gsx 140 in a nutshell the problem is that i lose the first 0 625 inches of information from my left margin be it white space or truetype font output and margins are not preserved on subsequent pages past the first wordperfect had a workaround consisting of using the default location for the printers instead of tractor or manual they have also filed this as a bug and are continuing to investigate it ms write of course has no problem with these printer drivers proving that microsoft knows something the rest of us dont are you surprised im not publish it win is still investigating this problem and while i was consider my options rejecting the one about buying an 800 dtp package for surely they wouldnt have this problem right i stumbled onto a global workaround workaround go into the windows 3 1 control panel select printers select your citizen printer driver select setup and select a custom size of 850 x 1132 like magic all of your problems will go away ask me no questions and ill tell you no lies mike disclaimer my opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer mike rovak drd com windows serial printing guns re whos next mormons and jews this is a stretch in fact a great many of the persecuted indians were christian a great many it would be simpler to state the obvious that white people wanted land the indians dominated or threatened i really dont think the government cared a hill of beans about the indians religion my native american girlfriend asks if the government really doesnt care a hill of beans about our religion how come theyre still busting us for it in oregon washington and a few other places youd be a christian too if the u s army marched you into church at gunpoint are you saying that the indians who became christians did so because the us army marched them into church at gunpoint this will be news to the indians of the great lakes and upper mississippi basin of the southwest of mexico and south america who converted even before there was such a thing as the us are you saying that indians are incapable of coming to a decision themselves about their religion without being forced to at gunpoint what about the christian cherokees who were given the boot by the us government after the civil war because the cherokee nation gave mild support to the confederacy since they themselves owned black slaves no reducing it all to a matter of religion is to support a much too narrow view of history ive never heard of a single treaty whether broken by the us government or not were any not that said if you guys convert to christianity you get to keep all the land you claim no treaties were invariably about land it meant ceding indian claims to the government sometimes in return the us government promised the hunter gatherer tribes and plenty of tribes were already farming for centuries but we dont hear about non plains indians in movies food and training in return for taking up a non nomadic existence promises of course which all to often proved empty baseball re billy gets cheers in baltimore in article 5apr199313263142 jhuvms hcf jhu edu doctor8 jhuvms hcf jhu edu jason abner miller writes orioles vs texas at camden yards april 5 opening day batting 9th for texas playing second base billy ripken the hometown crowd gave their favorite ex 2nd baseman a 2 minute standing ovation as billy wearing flashy shades took the cheers smiling and waving consummate role player in the words of p a caller jon miller tim hulett failed to receive similar cheers when announced mainly because he didnt have the courtesy to show up wasnt hulett injured yesterday after being hit in the face with a ball while running bases i heard something about him recieving stiches and a possible broken nose is he at the park fernando was warmly received good to see that lets see how they feel when hes 0 and 4 with a 4 9 era i have my doubts about fernando f y i when cal was announced jon miller says it seems like yesterday when this young man began a consecutive game streak 10 time all star 2 time mvp 2 time gold glover our future hall of fame shortsop batting 3rd cal ripken the standing o lasted about 15 seconds 1 45 less than billy blargh well when a fan favorite gets dumped hes gonna get an outstanding ovation on his first return lets add up the ovations cal has recieved over the years during the game and compare that to billy btw sutcliffes getting knocked around pretty good rangers up 5 1 in the bottom of the fourth rob cars lh workmanship i just visited the ny auto show and saw two lh cars on the floor eagle vision and dodge intrepid really nice i must say very attractive styling lots of features and room at a competitive price unfortunately the workmanship is quite disappointing on both cars the rubber seals around the window and door fell off it turns out the seals are just big grooved rubber band it goes on just by pressing the groove against the tongue on the door frame surely it would come off easily i am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering assembly problems that will show up later i may still consider buying it but only when it establishes a good track record jason chen guns medical examiner says no evidence for bullet wounds either way apparently needing to clarify his comments from thursday dr nizam plawaby spelling the medical examiner for tarrant county texas who has authority in the waco deaths stated that since no autopsies had been performed there is no evidence for bullet wounds or evidence against bullet wounds janet reno also stated that she had never been told of bullet wounds by anyone in the justice department the koresh cult standoff is over may his victims recquiescat in pace the above is a net moment of silence daniel a hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask me about rotaract guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu ken arromdee writes gt5311b prism gatech edu bhattacharya abhijit writes i doubt if koresh had let the batf have a look inside his place as they intended to do orchestrated character assassination noise torture and a holocaust would never have come to pass do you know what a no knock search with grenades is once again koresh closed the door on an agent with a search warrant and the door was then perforated by a rain of bullets from the inside they shot first the koresh cult standoff is over may his victims recquiescat in pace the above is a net moment of silence daniel a hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask me about rotaract cars re rfi art of clutchless shifting in a previous article lusky ccwf cc utexas edu jonathan r lusky says in article 93112 103631lrr105 psuvm psu edu lrr105 psuvm psu edu writes im not familiar with the trannies used in winston cup but in the trans am cars ive played with the transmissions were the racing variety with dog clutches instead of sychros in a transmission with dog clutches the gears are always engaged with each other and moving the dog clutches engages the gears to the shafts motorcycle transmissions are the same way shifting without the clutch on a transmission with syncros can and will cause transmission damage the only question being how long it takesto grenade something for the trans in my 87 pulsar se it was about 3 5k miles but it had a weak tranny in the first place just out of curiosity how is this dog clutch any different from a synchro transmission what you described sounds the same to me in fact what little ive studied on trannies the instructor referred to the synchros as dogs and said they were synonymous the gears are always meshed in a synchronized gearbox and you slip the synchro gears back and forth by shifting or at least that is what i was taught explain por favour thanx drew ps emails fine if this is inappropriate for here or if im the only bonhead who doesnt know the diff guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 1993apr23 034910 23729 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman says many lines deleted subject it is kind of funny though how you were the only one who picked up the part about my sister being a social worker and keeping me up to date on e th gang thing everyone else seemed to just skim by that part actually those of us who have experience with social workers pointedly ignored it ah here freeman is being prejudiced look it up and see what i mean freeman here freeman is pre judging someone before he knows all of the facts guess it can happen to the best and in his case the worst of us quit while youre behind andy freeman thinks i am behind when actually i am quite on top of things the point he seems to be missing now is that after a certain point accuracy can be very tedious and ridiculous see freemans next post for an explanation jason u28037 uicvm cc uic edu baseball re my belated predictions nl mss netcom com mark singer writes in article apr 4 19 42 08 1993 12176 pilot njin net gajarsky pilot njin net bob gajarsky hobokenite writes javier lopez is a better catcher than greg olson but has there ever in the history of baseball been a 22 year old or younger rookie catcher who compared favorably among all league catchers in terms of defense and brought a 247 bat wasnt it sandy alomar who was supposed to be that good in his rookie year not wasnt it benito santiago who was supposed to be that good in his rookie year not hrm sandy alomar 24 year old rookie 132 games 290 326 418 threw out a few baserunners benito santiago 22 year old rookie 146 games 300 324 467 he threw out a few baserunners too ivan rodriguez 20 year old rookies 88 games 264 276 354 didnt exactly suck behind the plate i can continue this thread with the others mentioned but you get the point you and others seem to be so quick to dismiss the seasoned veterans in favor of the hot young rookies perhaps just perhaps the management team of the pennant winning braves knows something more than you do and perhaps what they know is that very very few 21 and 22 year old rookies come up to the majors and make an impact true which only makes it more important to realize when you have one of the few lopez season last year adjusted to major league equivalencies was 306 330 472 15 hrs how bad does he have to be behind the plate for that to not be better than olsons 238 316 328 mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com i would not admire hitting against ryne duren because if he ever hit you in the head you might be in the past tense casey stengel baseball cards mailing list update just wanted to let all the people who e mailed me about a possible cardinals mailing list that i wasnt able to get the ok to host the list here so someone else will have to do it many thanks to bob netherton for his helpful info dick detweiler religion re to rob lanphier brian kendig writes you just dont get it do you in fact i believe your religion is imaginary you have clearly demonstrated that you do not even know what my religion is in order to make that assumption please offer me an argument thats more convincing than you just dont believe cos you dont want to how i can present any argument when you put your hands over your eyes and devise new irrevelant excuses each time the fact remains you want to argue about something that you do not know anything about do you not have to learn a topic first before you can reasonably debate the topic which brings us about to the start of this thread you began perverting bible verses interpreting them without investigation for if you desired to investigate you would have changed your tune immediately thus it is clear to me you do not believe what i am saying because you dont want to check it out everything youve said so far could apply equally to any religion why do you believe yours is the real one then you must have also ignored every other post i have written to you this would seem to go along with your character brian it doesnt offend me if you decide to reject jesus christ i only wish you would make that decision after you learn who jesus is medicine kidney stones banschbach vms ocom okstate edu marty banschbach writes b medicine has not and probalby never will be practiced this way there b has always been the use of conventional wisdom a very good example is b kidney stones conventional wisdom because clinical trails have not been b done to come up with an effective prevention was that restricitng the b intake of calcium and oxalates was the best way to prevent kidney stones b from forming clinical trials focused on drugs or ultrasonic blasts to b breakdown the stone once it formed through the recent new england j of b medicine article we now know that conventional wisdom was wrong b increasing calcium intake is better at preventing stone formation than is b restricting calcium intake b marty b marty i personally wouldnt be so quick and take that nejm article on kidney stones as gospel first of all i would want to know who sponsored that study i have seen too many nutrition bulletins over the years from local newspapers magazines to tv guide with disclaimers on the bottom informing us that this great health news was brought to us compliments of the dairy industries there are of course numerous other interest groups now that thrive financially on the media hype created from the supposedly enormous benefits of increasing ones calcium intake secondly were all the kidney stones of the test subjects involved in that project analysed for their chemical composition the study didnt say that it only claimed that most kidney stones are large ly calcium perhaps it wont be long before another study comes up with the exact opposite findings a curious phenomenon with researchers is that they are oftentimes just plain wrong it wouldnt be the first time sodium magnesium calcium phosphorus ratios are in my opinion still the most reliable indicators for the cause treatment and prevention of kidney stones i for one will continue to recommend the most logical changes in ones diet or through supplementation to counteract or prevent kidney stones of either type and they definitely wont include an increase in calcium if the stones have been identified as being of the calcium type and peoples chemical analysis confirms that they would benefit from a phosphorus raising approach instead ron roth internet rn 3228 rose com rosenet ron roth rosehamilton a stone on the ground is better than a stone in the body rosereader 2 10 p003228 entered at rosehamilton rosemail 2 10 usenet rose media hamilton 416 575 5363 baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr20 160532 20860 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes btw by my definitions the best player is the one who does the most things to help his team win i will allow that this could vary depending on who else is on the team by having aptitudes one team needs more than others well then given your definition of best is it not conceivable that alfredo griffin could bring something to a team that that team needs to win while larkin might not have that something the team needs no i do not find this conceivable i also cannot conceive of the possibility that there is any hypothetical team which morris would help more than clemens would griffin then be better than larkin given your premise yes but you are alone in your ability to conceive of that premise valentine windows faster oak vga drivers im using an oak based vga card on my computer 640x480x256 ive downloaded the driver from ftp cica indiana edu and ive had good luck with it however does anyone know if a faster driver is available for this card thanks mike michael j mccollister phone 407 729 7054 harris corporation email p o box 94000 mmccolli su100l ess harris com mailstop 100 4823 palm bay florida 32905 im not going to say anything stupid today not guns re non lethal alternatives to handguns iftccu talk politics guns steiner jupiter ca boeing com 12 07 am apr 15 1993 douglas craig holland holland cs colostate edu writes lostsa crap deleted trim your articles what about guns with non lethal bullets like rubber or plastic bullets would those work very well in stopping an attack last i heard non lethal was a bit of a misnomer for these things also you need to consider our legal system since any of these things can be lethal you are going to have a hard time explaining why you applied lethal force when you didnt think it was necessary if you thought lethal force was necessary you wouldnt be using rubber bullets would you ouch if you are justified in shooting them at all you are justified in using the best self defense ammunition you can get your hands on it might actually improve the legal outcome this is why hollow points hold up in court they are safer for you safer for innocent by standers dont as a rule go through the perp and actually safer for the perp if you are using military hard ball you may have to shoot him many times where one or two hollow points might stop him and do the job as a rule the fewer wound channels the better the chance for his surviving the incident rick baseball re all time best players in article 1993apr13 115313 17986 bsu ucs 00mbstultz leo bsuvc bsu edu writes ive recently been working on project to determine the greatest players at their respective postions my sources are total baseball james historical abstract the ballplayers biography word of mouth and my own biased opinions feel free to comment suggest flame whatever but i tried to be as objective as possible using statistical data not inlcuded for time conviences sake i judged on rel ba adj ops total average fielding range runs total player rating total baseball stolen bases for curiositys sake tpr 150 g and years played mvp 1b career 1 lou gehrig 2 jimmie foxx 3 eddie murray 4 hank greenberg 5 johnny mize 6 willie mccovey 7 dick allen 8 harmon killebrew 9 kieth hernandez its i before e except after c and in people named keith 10 bill terry 11 george sisler 2b 1 eddie collins 2 joe morgan 3 jackie robinson 4 rogers hornsby 5 nap lajoie 6 rhyne sandberg learn to spell its ryne 7 charlie gehringer 8 rod carew 9 bobby grich 10 bobby doerr ss 1 honus wagner 2 cal ripken jr 3 john lloyd 4 ozzie smith 5 robin yount 6 joe cronin 7 arky vaughan 8 luke appling 9 ernie banks 10 lou boudreau 3b 1 mike schmidt 2 ed matthews 3 george brett 4 wade boggs 5 ron santo 6 brooks robinson 7 frank baker 8 darrell evans 9 pie traynor 10 ray dandridge how can brooks be 6 i think he would at least be ahead of ron santo c 1 josh gibson 1a darren daulton mvp 1993 2 yogi berra 3 johnny bench 4 mickey cochrane 5 bill dickey 6 gabby hartnett 7 roy campanella 8 gary carter 9 carlton fisk 10 thurman munson lf 1 ted williams 2 stan musial 3 rickey henderson 4 carl yastrzemski 5 barry bonds 6 tim raines 7 joe jackson 8 ralph kiner 9 willie stargell 10 al simmons cf 1 willie mays 2 ty cobb 3 tris speaker 4 mickey mantle 5 joe dimaggio 6 oscar charleston 7 andre dawson 8 duke snider 9 kirby puckett 10 dale murphy rf 1 babe ruth 2 hank aaron 3 frank robinson 4 mel ott 5 al kaline 6 reggie jackson 7 dave winfield 8 roberto clemente 9 tony gwynn 10 pete rose p 1 walter johnson 2 lefty grove 3 cy young 4 christy mathewson 5 pete alexander 6 tom seaver 7 roger clemens 8 bob gibson 9 warren spahn 10 satchel paige 11 juan marichal 12 whitey ford 13 bob feller 14 jim palmer 15 steve carlton overall estimated 1 ruth 2 williams 3 mays 4 cobb 5 aaron 6 wagner 7 speaker 8 schmidt 9 w johnson 10 mantle 11 musial 12 dimaggio 13 f robinson 14 grove 15 henderson 16 j gibson 17 c young 18 collins 19 foxx 20 mathewson 21 alexander 22 morgan 23 j robinson 24 hornsby 25 ott 26 seaver 27 clemens 28 matthews 29 lajoie 30 yastrzemski 31 kaline 32 brett 33 gibson 34 spahn 35 charleston 36 berra 37 ripken jr 38 lloyd 39 raines 40 sandberg 41 gehringer 42 o smith 43 yount 44 ba bonds 45 paige 46 r jackson 47 marichal 48 ford 49 feller 50 boggs again feel free to comment mike bsu guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu jason think steiner writes ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves very popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially oh i see electricity is a natural right our wonderful government would never cut off the power to the people they were besieging are you really this dumb or just acting like it for the sake of argument jason no they didnt have electrical power but no i dont find the idea of davidians calmly cooking lunch with gas masks on as the fbi knocks the buildings down very credible either its not like this whole discussion is relevant it started when some one made the wholly unsubstantiated allegation that the wood stove ig nited napalm the fbi shot into the buildings im not a groveling apoligist for the feds far from it but wild ac cusations like this are ridiculous and obfuscate legitimate criticism of their conduct in this whole affair tom gift tomgift uxa cso uiuc edu religion re freemasonry and the southern baptist convention in a previous article jluther cs umr edu john w luther says john it not good netiquette to quote a complete article nothing personal please i also appreciate your being amused by such determined ignorance without taking anything away from your mirth i want to say that these views sadden me this views sadden me too dont think that i dont care sorry if it seemed different it is serious stuff but i have a sick sense of humor though some say tolerance tony baseball re braves giants fls keynes econ duke edu forrest smith writes the situation with the giants bleachers is a case in point for the need for a commissioner okay im curious why are you expectin the commissioner to fly in and stand on the pitchers mound to yell at the fans to sit down or what chuq imho von rospach esd support training dal aux chuq apple com member sfwa editor otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request medraut apple com san jose giants a 1 9 san francisco giants fans giants request medraut apple com the stick not san jose sharks fans sharks request medraut apple com new seat 127 tbd baseball attention anyone in syracuse ny or richmond va there are two conflicting reports about a pitcher that is either in the jays farm system or the braves his name is bill taylor he was picked up by the jays but had to be offered back to the braves before they were able to send him to the syracuse chiefs one report says that the braves took him back and assigned him to richmond the other says that he is on the chiefs roster which one is right windows cool background patterns here are some cool 3 d background patterns i made edit your control ini and add the following lines to your patterns section bricks 148 43 86 172 89 182 99 201 tile 1 43 85 43 85 43 85 255 tile diagonal 148 107 54 156 73 182 99 201 slats 0 170 85 170 85 170 85 255 make sure your desktop color is one of the standard 16 colors or the patterns might not work i like dark grey the best with these if you have any cool ones of your own please mail them to me stefan powell spowell trentu ca peterborough ontario canada guns re your evil tax dollars at work was re atf burns ranch etc etc in article 93112 230800mbs110 psuvm psu edu mark mark sachs mbs110 psuvm psu edu writes i find it tremendously chilling that so many people seem eager to believe a murderous heavily armed religious cult despite much evidence to the contrary murderous huh yeah there was all sorts of carnage going on there in the 60 years they were there before the government assaulted them oh i forgot you probably consider self defense as murder thought experiment suppose this exact same thing happened under the bush administration what would your answer be then would you still prefer to believe the cultists damn right this is not a partisan thing its about individual liberties the right of a citizen to be left the hell alone no i dont really expect a response to that challenge thats another indication that you dont understand the issue so is there any particular reason the gummint decided to slaughter eighty people are they like just plain evil or what did they just wake up one day stretch and yawn and throw a dart at a map of the united states to figure out who to oppress that day im eager to know maybe they said our appropriations are coming up soon we need a good pr boost lets find a socially unpopular group who happen to have a lot of guns go in like gangbusters be heros and have the local media get it all on video tape then we wont have to worry about our budget until next year does bill clinton look good in a cape why dont you knit one to match his jogging outfit cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet baseball re and americas team is but why in 1993apr20 182807 18366 bsu ucs 00cgbabbitt leo bsuvc bsu edu writes you are absolutely correct braves fans are nothing but a bunch of bandwagoners correct me if i am wrong but 4 or 5 years ago you couldnt give away a ticket to see the braves play i would bet my next paycheck that 80 of the so called braves fans living outside of georgia at the present time can not name more than 3 players from their 1988 season on the other hand ask any cubs fan living anywhere in the united states to name 3 players from any given year and 80 of them probably could you could be right then again you could be wrong this claim is completely unverifiable and untestable id wager most of the braves fans on the net could name more than 3 players from their 1988 season you could give away tickets to braves games however my dad and i were able to get great seats from scalper for face value which isnt exactly the sign of a hot ticket granted the fact that a team wins brings people to the ball park but that does not mean they diserve the title americas team the only reason they are considered americas team is because of ted turner and his little tv station which broadcasts across the nation this is precisely why they were considered americas team even especially when they were bad you could see most of the braves games on cable you could do that for the cubs as well but the braves had better camerawork better announcers what would you rather listen to harry discuss the game or skip and pete discuss motoball and teams that werent too much worse because of tbs the braves had a lot of fans outside of georgia at home in kentucky even though we were much closer to cincinnati there was as many braves fans as reds fans even in 1990 you could actually watch the braves play you had to go to cincinnati to watch the reds i can go anywhere in america and watch the braves ill consider toronto americas team before the braves why id guess that braves fans are more widely distributed than toronto fans dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball windows winhelp exe virus is anyone familiar with a virus that infects the winhelp exe file i have recently noticed some unusual system behavior and ran norton antivirus for windows it indicated a possible unknown virus in the winhelp exe file in both the mwindows and winos2 directories neither file changed since i installed my os 2 system in january as far as i know any information about this possible virus and suggestions on remedies would be greatly appreciated bobb samuell samuell cis uab edu baseball re john franco jason lee asks whats with john franco the mets are hardly using him i heard he was completely recovered but now im not so sure you must have heard wrong his arm is still sore he hasnt gone on the dl but he may managmenet is treating him as a day to day situation his doctors thought that he was ready and they had him throw in colorado but his arm wasnt up to the strain he is throwing every day but hes just not quite ready to pitch full strength yet this is based on an interview that he gave on wfan ny radio on thursday 4 23 jon lyons jon k lyons att com at t bell laboratories att jon k lyons windows any video gurus feel like attacking this quirk hi there im having a bizarre video problem within windows 3 1 i have a 286 with a gvga 16 video board ive been using the standard windows vga driver with other similarly configured computers i am thinking that my problem is with the way windows refreshes its screen the problem is that once windows has been envoked the colors start changing themselves at first i thought it was hardware but if you open a full screen dos program from within the windows session you dont have any problems until you get back to windows however when you initially return to windows the original colors get refreshed properly also it is not a uniform color change so if you are in solitaire the design on the back of the card maintains its original color scheme but the white fronts of the cards will turn grey then blue etc the color changes keep getting darker until finally everything is a dark purple ish black if you pop out to dos and exit back to windows the screen gets refreshed again if i dont log into windows and just do dos things from the novell network everything is fine i originally loaded the software by bouncing it down to the net from the other machine i had just finished configuring then from the net to this machine when i ran into problems i deleted everything on this machine and the net and tried bouncing it again when that didnt work i tried reloading windows to no avail any thoughts on things to check out i am totally baffled thanks in advance for any assistance and instruction linda cornell lcornell u washington edu uw office of research cars car buying story was christ another dealer service scam in article 1qhs7dinnj2b hp col col hp com tvervaek col hp com tom vervaeke writes experience with jeep service dept while not exactly a service incident i had a similar experience recently when i bought a new truck i had picked out the vehicle i wanted and after a little haggling we agreed on a price i wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax and license and told them id be back that evening to pick up the truck when i returned i had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could get to me when i finally got in there everything went smoothly until he started adding up the numbers he then discovered that they had miscalculated the tax license by about 150 he then said he needed another 150 from me i said we had already agreed on a price and it was their problem i wasnt giving them any more money the finance guy then brought in the manager on duty who proceeded to give me a hard time i reminded him that i was the customer and i didnt think i should be treated like that and that if he didnt back off he could forget the whole deal he made some smart remark so i told him where he could stick it snatched back my check and left needless to say they were not pleased by the turn of events early the next morning i got a call from the general sales manager wanting to know what happened i related the story and he apologised profusely and asked if there was anything they could do to change my mind i told him that if they gave me the truck for free i probably still wouldnt take it that there were other dealers in town i was a repeat customer of theirs and that they should learn how to treat customers etc etc i was still pretty steamed about the whole affair he gave me the line about hating to lose a customer and they would try to find a solution etc etc i told him not to bother thanks id go somewhere else a couple hours later the owner of the dealership called me all apologetic etc etc etc and said that they would cover the 150 plus knock another 400 off the price of the truck i told him id think about it and he gave me his private direct phone number his secretarys name and assured me that they valued me as a customer etc etc etc i thought about it for a few hours and discussed it with my wife and we decided what the hell that was a pretty decent deal so i called him back and accepted his offer when i went back the next day to pick up the truck i received the royal treatment everyone seemed to know about the incident even the lot boy everything went smoothly and i was out of there in my new truck in about 30 mins so i guess im a reasonably satisfied customer however it should not have happened in the first place i was a bit shocked to have a sales person talk to me like that i dont expect them to bow and grovel but i sure dont expect to be given a hard time either esp when its their mistake anyway im happy with the truck and it turned out to be a couple hundred dollars under invoice and they paid most of the first years license fee im not sure whether ill go back to that dealer tho mark windows help object appears thrice hey all i got an equation editor and since it didnt automagically appear in my object dialog box i e insert object equation i decided to manually place it there so i went into win ini is there another way to do this the embedding section and added equation equation equation path filename picture didnt work quit windows go back aha mistake correct it it looks fine start windows doesnt work play with it for a while at one point having two entries to see if one works and thother dont and finally i get it to work the only thing i can see thats different now is that its now the first item on the list and it used to be the last but now i end up with three equation entried and all of them working and only one entry in win ini so does any netian know whats wrong or rather how to correct this i e make equation appear but once also all the entries in the embedding appear as above its obvious that path filename is the executable or whatever and picture has something to do withthe way it appears picture description but what are the others i e in soundrec sound sound whates the difference between the 1st sound and the 2nd and what is soundrec i dont think its the name of the executable as other entries e g msworkschart arent thanks i a mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd guns re rewording the second amendment ideas you believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of mass destruction i find it hard to believe that you would support a neighbors right to keep nuclear weapons biological weapons and nerve gas on his her property there is no law prohibiting having biological weapons or nerve gas on his her property or even walking on government property with such items ipso facto it is now ones right to have such weapons of mass destruction hell the u s patent office has patents on the manufacture of nerve gas that anyone can obtain simply by sending a 1 50 to the patent office in washington d c p o box 8 these same patents are verboten to english citizens from their own patent office which doesnt surprise me based on the mistrust of the uk government against private ownership of semi automatic rifles if we cannot even agree on keeping weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of individuals can there be any hope for us so you are saying we should have legislation prohibiting owning biological warfare agents or nerve agents will you pass laws against owning chlorine gas or cyanide as well will you pass laws against owning acetylene gas that could have been used against the bradley ifvs had the branch dividians known of their anti combustion engine effects will you pass laws against owning 5 gallon cylinders of propane because they could have been used as flame throwers yes the proverbial road to hell its always for our own good cars re opel owners in article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca darren gibbons writes im looking for information on opel cars now you ask which model well the sad truth is im not entirely sure but its a two seater with roll over headlights hard top and really sporty looking my friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition body wise but he transmission has seized up on him so it hasnt run for a while does anyone have any info on these cars the engine compartment looks really tight to work on but it is in fine shape and i am quite interested in it thanks darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca this would be the manta would it not sold through buick dealers in the mid 70s as the price leader chintan amin llama uiuc edu if it looks like a miniature corvette it would be an opel gt the headlights are flipped over by pulling a lever inside chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area medicine re human breast feeding myths or reality in article c4vhwo hlt tripos com homer tripos com webster homer writes rjasoar vnet ibm com robert j alexander md writes i have an additional question how long should a mother breast feed her child a friend of mine is still nursing her two year old is this beneficial her ex husband is trying to use her coninued nursing of a two year old as proof of her being unfit to be a mother what studies have been done on breast feeding past a year etc upon the psychological health of the child web homer my wife breast fed my three boys 12 months 16 months and 29 months respectively and they are 18 16 and 10 years old respectively so far everybody seems fairly normal i noticed a negative correlation with ear infections and length of time nursed in my very small sample i do notice that the 16 and 18 year old seem to eat a lot could that be from the breast feeding i dont understand the unfit mother charge other than any tactic is not too low down for some folks during divorce child custody battles most of the developing nations practice breast feeding to 3 and 4 years old are they screwed up because of it would they be much better off if they could use cows milk or commercial formula doctors bobby akgua rjb guns re batf fbi revenge does anyone have any idea about the size of waco im just curious because if it were a small town that may have something to do with it possibly not it sure didnt take it very long to burn down though i was watching abc and it only took like a little over 30 minutes to burn down waco is a city of about 100 000 people the population temporarily raised to about 102 000 people when all the feds and state police officers arrived i tell you what i stayed in a hotel room about 4 miles from the bd compound around 3 weeks ago i have never felt more paranoid in my whole life there were at least 100 state police in the hotel the claim we had the water turned off so the fire engines had to bring their own doesnt hold up if they had cut off the water they surely could have turned it back on just as quickly they just didnt want to there were some scores to settle message to anybody else is very clear dont fuck with us we will do you in not that i am one to believe that everything that the government tells us is true but if that was the message they wanted to send why did they wait 51 days i think the message would be better sent by charging in there right away not waiting for 51 days and pounding them with sound etc a bunch of dead bd members are not going to be so able to tell their side of the story so now all we have is the story according to the batf and fbi also mr care about the rights of people clinton or his administration approved this action fbi said washington had approved it they fbi said the gas masks used by the bds have a finite life and were close to running out why couldnt they have just waited well there are 9 people supposedly alive they can tell their story as far as bill clinton is concerned dont you think he has more pressing matters to attend to besides some small group of people in texas how about bosnia now theres a problem why couldnt they have waited they waited too long as it is something should have been done earlier they gov is trying to say it was a mass suicide in the past they had expressed this was a real possibility but now they decided it wasnt a possibility so they could go on with the raid apparantly what they feel korash was or was not capable of or going to do was driven by what was most convenient at the time now this means that 1 the public and media will forget about all this having become weary of it this has already happened for many people 2 there will be no investigation independent or otherwise or a whitewash very much a possibility 3 there will be no unsealing of the warrant and related documents 4 what anybody will know about this incident will be the batf version with the way our government is i wouldnt doubt it 5 the batf has just been given carte blanche for further abuses with the effective support and approval of the administration clinton said on the news that he knew about what was happening but that it was all in the hands of the fbi that is if you choose to believe the media 6 there will be more abuses with no concern of administration censure 7 the precident has been established that the feds can kill in quantity to achieve their aims especially if the target is excercising their rights under the second amendment and the rest of the bill of rights and is a government declared un nice fellow if they had rocket launchers and such as the press and gov claims why shouldnt they have done something what possible use would a religious cult have for a rocket launcher also is child abuse covered by the bill of rights lls and clams will be pleased dung tsow ping sp will be pleased saddam hussein sp will be pleased idi amin would be pleased stalin would be pleased even hitler would be pleased any self respecting despot would nod and say well done bill clinton well then there are probably a lot of self respecting despots in the us cause im sure they feel the same way god bless america land of the free past tense well maybe i am overreacting but i see on the tv as i am typing where maybe maybe not there are a lot of questions that should be raised about this incident the problem is who will do it and be heard govt spoksewoman the new attorney general known to be almost rabid about private ownership of guns wants to ban assault guns and just about everything else is saying the fbi had amazing restraint then falls back into the official goverenment line about how the bd were guity of child abuse and were into it in an on going basis and so on note that according to the liberal elite giving a child a spanking is regarded as child abuse seriously if it gets known the state can take your child away from you if you spank your kid she also is saying which state is that the federal government or an individual state government clinton personally approved this operation she told him it was appropriate and so on and he said ok do it somehow i am not surprised the people must know who is boss who is in charge and it is obviouly no longer the people it seems to me that the people havent been in charge for a long time if they really were i dont think the government would be doing as many things as it has in the past and i maintain the appropriate response as far as this raid by batf is concerned regarding child abuse is so what batf are not our child protective services police yet after all the bd had been tried on that charge before and found not guilty the govt people have pretty much gone silent on the terrible illegal guns bd supposedly has and stress the continued child abuse apparantly to make it a seem as sort of a rescue operation figuring everyone hates child abusers and anything is ok to use against them occasional references to ammunition possesed by the bds and so on is irrelevant it is not illegal to have ammunition yet true but is it illegal to have a rocket launcher am i having a vain hope that an honest investigation will occur on this thing or will it simply be whitewashed under the rug and business as usual will continue to be the order of the day in the new order who will be given the official title of thought police i wonder and if clinton and friends have their way highly likely at this point the new order government will also have all the guns so what if 1984 is going to be ten years late i think we are going to discover that we will be paying dearly for putting this fellow in office for decades to come even some die hard supporters are having serious doubts about their savior shit if people dont get what they want right away there is an instant problem clinton has only been in office for a few months give him a chance to get something done the guy had a lot of shit thrown in his lap in the beginning give him a chance to work on things a little as they say rome wasnt built in a day yes i am upset i see no good as far as civil individual rights to come of any of his proposals decisions for the last month or so we have really been had or bill of rights is now nothing but a quaint curiosity i highly doubt that it is that bad yet how about the rodney king trial the two people who were most responsible got the axe how bad the axe falls tho is yet to be seen anybody for impeachment nope i would prefer to give bill a little more than four or five months to solve the nations problems pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 pat myrto seattle wa if all else fails try uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former albert einstien jason u28037 uicvm cc uic edu medicine re cure for dry skin i cured mine with bag balm which i bought at the local farm supply store it is relatively cheap and works in a few days the product was developed to treat sore udders windows simple windows question ok heres a nice easy question for all you out there when running dos 5 0 under windows 3 0 i lose the ability to do a print screen i have no problem with this when im running dos not under windows if its relavant im using quarterdeck 6 0 expanded memory manager for my 386 please e mail any responses since i dont get to read the news too often thanks in advance jr0930 eve albany edu jr0930 albnyvms bitnet go heavy or go home medicine hives my wife had hives during the first two months of her pregnancy my son 3 months old breast fed now has the same symptoms she has been to a skin specialist but he has merely prescribed various medicines one each visit as though by trial and error anti histamines worked on both of them but looks like becoming less effective are there other solutions thanks kiong beng kee dept of information systems and computer science national university of singapore lower kent ridge road singapore 0511 windows re mac disks in windows in article 3160 180 uupcb hal9k com scott lynn hal9k com scott lynn writes well i do alot of graphic design work and i am remaining loyal to dos windows instead of macs my college isnt though and i can only scan images on macintosh does anyone know of a program that can read mac disks the apple file exchange on the nac that writes to dos disks probably leaves me visibly older during every session i want to do the transfer in windows instead macsee zip on ftp cica indiana edu is supposed to read and write mac disks ive never tried it though good luck c j callison whale st usm edu baseball re aguilera causes cardiac arrest in article 1qi97dinnemh phakt usc edu wagner phakt usc edu loren wagner writes in article 1993apr14 123722 24506 bmw mayo edu bergerson mayo edu writes maybe you would rather have ron davis back the truly amazing thing was how many years this bum was the closer for the twins youd have thought they could find somebody better don daybell wagner usc edu going into the ninth with a 3 run lead 2 runs score runners on first and second rd throws theres a drive waaaaaayyyyyyy back puckett to the wall leaps he caught the ball what a catch by kirby twins win and rd gets the save his line 1 ip 2 walks 2 hits and one robbed home run paul windows dos 6 vfintd 386 and windows sys ini does anyone know what the vfintd 386 device is used for in windows 3 1 its under the 386enh section as device c dos vfintd 386 after upgrading to dos 6 on several machines different types some include it some dont any ideas pl windows emm386 and windows on my pc i almost exclusively run windows the only dos based application i have is procommplus in my config sys i have emm386 loaded with the option noems no expanded memory following a thread in one of the comp newsgroups i read that it was no necessary to have emm386 loaded indeed in the manual it says that emm386 is used to get expanded memory out of extended memory since i have the noems option it seems to me that the emm386 device is useless in my case should i use emm386 or should i remove it from my config sys thanks for your help eric religion re is it good that jesus died in article 1993apr26 215627 24917 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes a babys innocence has nothing to do with whether the baby is a sinner innocence and the sin nature are two different attributes the baby is innocent yet the baby is a sinner you have two arms and two legs why because your parents did why because their parents did etc did you do anything to get them the thing is i know what arms and legs are its therefore generally easy to tell whether or not someone has arms and legs this sinful nature since it does not require that the baby actually perform any sins seems to be totally invisible as far as i know maybe half the babies have a sinful nature and half dont itd look exactly the same since there is no way to tell the difference we are born sinners we are born sinners because our parents were born with it we got it from them we did nothing to earn the title sinner we get it because our parents had it their parents had it their grandparents had it etc infinitum so whats so bad about a sinful nature then i could understand it being bad if it always results in people committing sins but babies can have it never commit sins die and they still have it so the bad part about cant merely be that it results in people committing sins so what is bad about it on the first day after christmas my truelove served to me leftover turkey on the second day after christmas my truelove served to me turkey casserole that she made from leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings pizza hut commercial and m tlu a gic bait ken arromdee arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu baseball re candlestick original article newsgroups rec sport baseball path butch netcomsv netcom com csus edu wupost uwm edu zaphod mps ohio state ed from scunning louven berkeley edu sean cunningham subject candlestick message id 1993apr21 041620 27894 pasteur berkeley edu sender nntp pasteur berkeley edu nntp poster nntp posting host louven berkeley edu organization university of california berkeley date wed 21 apr 1993 04 16 20 gmt lines 24 hey folks saw the giants play ball at the stick saturday april 17 it was the game where pendelton broke up the scoreless tie in the ninth with a two out two run homer to right to win it it wasnt the game where the fans threw the give away fotoballs onto the field in response to the homer too bad huh well the stick is still cold the saturday game ended at 5 45pm and it was cold then i cant imagine night games in april at the stick the wind kicked up a little too and i got this idea at most games theres a pile of hot dog wrappers and cups and trash on the field a lot of the time i propose a kids clean up corps composed mainly of 10 12 year old kids who would love nothing better than to run out on the field in the fifth inning when the guy in the toro smooths the infield and grab the trash it might not be glamorous but at that age i probably would have given anything to be on the field with the ballplayers everybody wins here whaddaya think sean i was at opening day the stadium and new owners were great i pick candlesti ck anytime over the giants playing out of state i only wish the buttheads in san jose had enough balls to vote for a stadium here guns re raid justification was blast them next time dale access digex com dale farmer writes rick bressler bressler iftccu ca boeing com wrote forgot to leave in his quote source what happened in waco is not the fault of the batf if they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened the batf is a part of the dept of treasury not justice if they needed to assault a place they could just do like the irs does call in the federal marshalls service the irs doesnt need to rely on the federal marshalls services the irs has its own swat teams i saw a picture of one in an article on the irs in some magazine or other dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com the u s government has become a garrotte around the necks of its citizens just as with a garrotte the more people struggle to breathe the air of freedom the more the government tightens its stranglehold the only possible outcomes at this point are the death of government or the elimination of personal freedom baseball re usa mcweekly stats rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes in article franjion 734996049 spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjione says also i have the impression from reading this group and bill james that elias is a bunch of money grubbing jerks whose mission is to charge as much as they can for baseball statistical info and bill james is not yeah sure do you own the bill james players rating book uh bill james doesnt sell statistics he sells books with statistics but he is not in the business of providing stats like elias stats howe baseball workshop etc are greg baseball re usa mcweekly stats in article 1993apr20 033504 13966 mnemosyne cs du edu gspira nyx cs du edu greg spira says rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes in article franjion 734996049 spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjione says also i have the impression from reading this group and bill james that elias is a bunch of money grubbing jerks whose mission is to charge as much as they can for baseball statistical info and bill james is not yeah sure do you own the bill james players rating book uh bill james doesnt sell statistics he sells books with statistics but he is not in the business of providing stats like elias stats howe baseball workshop etc are greg funny it seems to me that the stats major league and minor league handbooks which are nothing but collections of statistics are authored by bill james and stats inc and howe for the minor league handbook and i am not sure how the 1993 bill james player ratings book qualifies as a book with statistics while the elias analyst is a statistics book the analyst contains more stats sure but it also contains more dialogue finally the point was not about the word statistics it was about money grubbing i dont see how anyone who has looked at the bill james player ratings book cannot consider him money grubbing bob vesterman medicine re sinus vs migraine was re sinus endoscopy i noticed several years ago that when i took analgesics fairly regularly motrin at the time i seemed to get a lot of migraines but had forgotten about that until i started reading some of the posts here i generally dont take nsaids or tylenol for headaches because ive found them to be ineffective however i have two other pain sources that force me to take nsaids currently naprosyn first is some pelvic pain that i get at the beginning of my period and then much worse at midcycle i have had surgery for endometriosis in the past 12 years ago so the drs tell me that my pain is probably due to the endometriosis coming back ive tried synarel it reduced the pain while i took it 3 mos but the pain returned immediately after i stopped three doctors have suggested hysterectomy as the only real solution to my problem although i dont expect to have any more children i dont like the idea of having my uterus and one remaining ovary removed the first ovary was removed when i had the surgery for endometriosis one of the drs that suggested i get a hysterectomy is an expert in laser surgery but perhaps thinks that type of procedure is only worthwhile on women who still plan to have children so basically all im left with is toughing out the pain this would be impossible without naprosyn or something similar but not aspirin that doesnt work and motrin gave me horrible gastritis a few years ago so im through with it in fact naprosyn works very well at eliminating the pain if i take it regularly as i did when i had severe back pain and pain in both legs as ill discuss in a moment generally though i wait until i have the pain before i take the naprosyn but then it takes several hours for it reduce the pain its actually quite effective at reducing the pain it just takes quite a while in the meantime im frequently in severe pain the other pain source i have is chronic lower back pain resulting in bilateral radiculopathy ive had mris xrays ct scan and emgs ive had 2 of them and dont intend to ever do that again with nerve conduction tests the tests have not been conclusive as to what is causing my back and leg pain the mri reports both say i have several bulging degeneratig disks and from the xrays and mri i think it is apparent that i have arthritis the reading on the ct scan was that there are two herniations l3 l4 and l4 l5 but others hav looked at the films and concluded that there are no herniations the second emg and nerve conduction studies shows significant denervation compared to the first emg oh yeah i had some other horrible test called something like somatic evoked response which showed that the internal nerves are working fine anyway the bottom line is that i sometimes have severe pain in both legs and back pain the back pain is there all the time but i can live with it when the leg pain is there i need some analgesic anti inflammatory medication to reduce the pain to a level where i can work so i took naprosyn regulary for 6 9 months every time i tried to stop the leg pain got worse so id always resume since last november i have taken it much less frequently and primarily for the pelvic pain i have been going to physical therapy for the last 8 months 2 3 times a week after the first month or so my therapist put me on pelvic traction she had tried it earlier but it had caused a lot of pain in my back this time she tried it at a lower weight after a month or two the pain in my legs began going away but the traction aways caused discomfort in my lower back which could be reduced with ultrasound and massage so now i dont have nearly as much pain in my legs in fact my therapist took me off traction about 2 weeks ago getting back to my original reason for this post even if i can avoid taking analgesic for headaches i really cant avoid them entirely because i have other pain sources that force me to use them oh i forgot to mention that it has been suggested to me that i have back surgery but im avoiding that too i find the migraines difficult to deal with occassionally i have to take off work but usually i can work but at a reduced capacity im a systems engineer and do a lot of reading and writing when the pelvic pain is bad i cant concentrate much i usually end up jumping out of my chair every few minutes because the pain is so bothersome when the pain in my back is bad it can cause severe burning in both legs shooting pains in my legs electric shock type of pain in my feet and toes and basically when it gets bad i cant really sit at all then i end up spending most of my time home and in bed so even if the analgesics contribute to the migraines the migraines are more tolerable than the other pain sources i get a lot of migraines an average of 3 to 4 a month which last 1 3 days ive taken cafergot the first time the caffiene really got to me so i reduced the dosage but i dont like the side effects if i take more than two i get diahrea if i get a very bad headache i will eventually take the cafergot my neurologist wasnt very helpful when i told him my problems with cafergot he said that when sumatriptan becomes available i should try that ive tried several other medications fiornal midrin fiornal with codeine tegretol and inderal but they either didnt work or i couldnt tolerate them so what can i do my doctors seem to be satisfied with me just trying to tolerate the pain which i agree with most of the time but not when i have a lot of pain ive had some bad experiences with surgery my heart stopped once from the anesthesia i was told that it was likely the succinylcholine and ive already had surgery several times anyway the point of what im saying is that even if analgesics can contribute to migraines some people need to take them to tolerate other pain janice rathmann guns re bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks in article 1993apr22 175410 23214 starbase trincoll edu writes freed om of religion has absolutely nothing to do with building a small arsenal and grooming 10 year old children to be your wife ill come out as soon as i finish my manuscript on the seven seals oh ok david i agree that koresh was as much of a victim as a perpetrator this because he grew up inside the cult and engaged in a power struggle where his supporters helped inflate his ego that doesnt change the fact that he was a loose fucking cannon with a shitload of serious weapons or that he was banging thirteen year olds and twisting their impressionable little minds this was no move fuck up a helicoptor was thermal imaging the compound that afternoon and detected three fires erupting almost simultaneously there were no cs canisters a specially modified abrams was pupming the stuff in no chance of starting a fire there kerosene lamps maybe one but not three fires no way koresh wasnt just talking out of his ass i expected this to happen maybe they wanted it to look like murder he had 50 days i think this was coming the whole time he didnt even put the children in the buried bus or the underground bunker during the cs seige he put them up into the tower to die fuck all of you big brother paranoid freaks the only good thing to come of any of this is that there will be one less group of crazoids to attract some of the more rootless members of our society id have to agree with you there joe rodney thomas medicine re pregnency without sex speaking of educational systems i recently had a colleague tell me that the reason one of our fifth grade students is so physically developed is because she was sexually abused as a younger child this she went on to say kicks the pituitary gland into action and causes puberty cars re dumbest driver action in c5dq2n 5ub news cso uiuc edu mwbg9715 uxa cso uiuc edu mark wayne blunier writes jimf centerline com jim frost writes i wish i had the figures with me to back me up but i recall statistics showing that women tended to have more accidents than men but the damage was generally quite minor men had fewer but far more expensive accidents the rate of total vehicle destruction was significantly higher for men than women particularly in the younger male age groups imho social considerations are probably the strongest influence here possibly more so than any difference between the sexes social influences often affect the type of car thats bought and the situations the car is used in and the type of car and driving situations have a major effect on accident risk thus if society expects you to buy a mustang and race it on the street youre more likely to do it and our society expects that of males more than females i agree with some of your social influences such as driving conditions but lets get real here guys dont drag race becuase there expected too we do it becuase its fun and we find out whose car is faster guys drive different than women becuase there men when a driver is driving unusually i can usually figure out if it is a male or female driver without looking at the driver social influences may give a person more reason to buy a vehicle that has a certain amount of character which he or she would like associated with do you change your driving habits when no one is around sheesh i dont know what kind of women they have where you guys live but there are some ladies here who will blow your doors off or at least they will try to but we just cant let the youngsters get too uppity with us old folks my 02 mark b jim frost jimf centerline com bob baseball re when did dodgers move from ny to la in article 1993apr5 160030 2328 ncar ucar edu tparker music scd ucar edu tom parker writes i have a bet with my buddy on when the dodgers moved from ny to la does anyone know what year they moved the dodgers first year in la was 1958 baseball re new home for the bosox i agree though id also be happy with a stadium that looks like new comiskey the new park was also made for baseball unlike three rivers the vet riverfront etc its not a football park in which they also play baseball while were on the multipurpose subject lets not forget shea which was designed to accommodate both the mets jets it was the first stadium i think to have the box seats on rollers so they could be oriented at right angles for baseball in parallel for football of course with the jets gone to jersey and a truly good football stadium the mets are saddled with a multipurpose stadium where because its circular the seats are almost always too far from the action the mets announcers kiner murphy in particular have always hyped it as beautiful shea stadium a tipoff to how unbeautiful it truly is jay cars us made m b suv mercedes benz announced yesterday its plans to begin building sport utility vehicles in the us by 1997 they are targeted at the jeep grand cherokee et al and will reportedly sell for less than 30 000 did anyone see a picture is it the g wagon gelaendewagen currently available in europe and in the us by grey market or is it an entirely new vehicle any details would be appreciated dick meyer applied research laboratory penn state guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r1j1l 4t transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1993apr20 143255 12711 mcs kent edu mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu the lawnmowerman writes oh then i guess that shooting those kind of babies is all right you sick bastard cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet why thanks for your reply to my post by the way i never never ever said that it was right to shoot those kind of babies however it was the branch davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their savior yeah right budy boy because he had brain washed them into believing that what ever he says is the truth even if means that they are to give up their lives for his cause therefore it is davids fault and not the atfs who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out this was 50 days to many for me and for many of the rest of the u s i am however sad to hear of the death of any child unlike the sick bastard i supposedly am matthew r hamilton mhamilto mcs kent edu a k a cs physics major 1499h751 ksuvxb kent edu the lawnmowerman kent state university 1299h751 ksuvxb kent edu look here for future advice quotes sayings jibberish philosohy medicine re sinus surgery septoplasty in article kmldorf utdallas edu george kimeldorf writes in article badboy netcom com jay keller writes ive already heard from a couple who said they had it and it didnt really help them i am a moderately severe asthmatic ent doc says large percentage see some relief of their asthma after sinus surgery also he said it is not unheard of that migraines go away after chronis sinusitis is relieved did your ent also tell you that this procedure may remove warts from the soles of your feet and improve your sex life actually severe headaches due to stopped up sinuses plugged ostia are possible and sinus surgery which widens the ostia from the normal 2 mm to about 10 mm should relieve this there are non surgical ways however to keep the ostia open however in a few individuals their ostia are naturally very small and dr ivkers book talks about this the underlying cause of chronic sinusitis is not cured by this kind of sinus surgery though about asthma thats a little more controversial dr ivker in his book sinus survival speculates and says its not proven that many cases of asthma are triggered by chronic sinusitis due to the excessive drainage postnasal drip from the sinuses hes had many patients whove found relief from asthma when the chronic sinusitis is reduced or eliminated not clinical proof but compelling anecdotal information of this speculation before doing any sinus surgery first get the book it discusses surgery as well as a good non surgical treatment program for chronic sinusitis jon noring charter member infj club if youre dying to know what infj means be brave e mail me ill send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 freds gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone 510 294 8153 chips worlds best livermore ca 94550 v mail 510 417 4101 who are you read alt psychology personality thats where the action is windows re dos font size in windows ssa unity ncsu edu s alavi writes i have an 8514 a card and i am using windows in 1024x768 mode normal 8514 a font not small in the 386 enhanced mode the dos window font is too small for my 14 monitor is there a way to spacify the font size for the dos window youll have to excuse me if there is a trivial answer since i am fairly new to ms windows world thanks please include this message for reference s alavi ssa unity ncsu edu 919 467 7909 h 919 515 8063 w the control box of the window itself upper left corner of the window single click am i being too simplistic has a font option the 8 x 12 is about the biggest one i can use without the characters turning funky hpoe this helps windows dos quick c 2 5 crashes windows 3 1 i am using dos quick c 2 5 in a dos window under windows 3 1 and the other day while i was running the compiler i got a general protection fault immediately followed by a serious disk error when i rebooted i found that about 15 files had gotten cross linked which is a pretty serious corruption of the hard drive file system i am concerned that quick c in a dos window has somehow strayed outside its protected mode world and corrupted the smartdrv exe disk cache and that is what caused the disk problem i thought that dos programs run in dos windows were pretty well contained by windows if that is true then maybe the quick c compiler has nothing to do with it has anybody else had this type of problem i only recently upgraded from quick c 2 0 to 2 5 brad banko brad banko dept of physics u of illinois b banko uiuc edu see one do one teach one 73 de kb8cne n9lnq il cars my two cars chevy nova cl 87 and dodge 600 se 87 as you can see i have two 1987 cars both worth about 3000 each the problem is that maintenance costs on these two cars is running about 4000 per year and insurance 3000 per year what am i doing wrong within the last two months the follows costs have occured dodge 600 se dodges attempt at the american german car 1 000 replace head gasket 300 new radiator chevy nova cl chevys attempt at a japan import 500 tune up oil change valve gasket middle exhaust pipe misc note also that the chevy nova cl 1987 has only 70 horsepwer does anyone out there have a chevy nova with enough power to get up even a small hill without knocking is there something wrong with my car i even use 93 octane gas i have consider going to 110 octane if i can find it anyway what are the best maintenance items to do it yourself and what equipment is needed thanks doug 2 car doug from wayne nj cars performance of new mustangs does anyone know the performance ratings for a 1992 or 1993 5 0 l ho mustang lx like the 0 60 time 1 4 mile and top end also can you tell me which magazine where these s come from so i can look them up if possable if you could the year and month and eveen page if you have it thanks doug windows is smartdrv exe causing bad sectors on my hd i am having something very unusual happen first some background on my system i have a mitsubishi 63 meg hard drive and am running smartdrv the version that comes with windows 3 1 on it i rarely use windows i use a program called disk technician gold v1 14 to do diagnostics live time on my hard drive it works by having a device driver detect whenever more than one read is necessary for a file or if there is anything else is wrong with it and minor problems are fully checked out upon rebooting my hard drive is notorious for bad sectors i usually end up with 8 new bad sectors a week heres what happened i ran a program and dtg broke in with an emergency warning and recommended i reboot it gave me this message twice before the program was fully loaded i exited the program and did just this dtg went through its bootup process examining for new errors etc and a screen popped up and said something about sectors for a brief period of time i then went back to the program executed it again and the exact same error was detected i rebooted and tried again and the same error happened again so i removed dtg from memory and went to the program to see if i could detect anything wrong sure enough there was a number of read attempts so i rebooted and reloaded dtg but removed the cache i executed the program no read errors either audible or detected by dtg i quit the program loaded the cache and ran the program again the errors were detected ok so the errors are there and dtg detects but doesnt fix them when the cache is loaded when the cache is not loaded there are no errors so to see if the cache was interfering with any other files i went into xtree gold and tagged all files and searched them for a random string in other words i wanted the program to completely read every file on my hard drive before i got through the cs dtg had detected at least six errors and recommended i reboot does anybody have any idea why smartdrv is causing misreads on my hard drive oh there are exactly two misreads per file and 1 in about every 100 files are affected i originally posted this message to disk technician corp s system but i figured someone out in netland may know enough about smartdrv to help me out internet jdriver netlink cts com john driver uucp ryptyde netlink jdriver netlink online communications public access in san diego ca 619 453 1115 religion david koresh messianic cult hello i just read my first newspaper in a while and noticed an article on a messianic cult leader named david koresh id like to know more about this and what is going on with them please email me as i dont normally read this newsgroup thanks thyagi houseofkaos abyss com medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1qnns0 4l3 agate berkeley edu spp zabriskie berkeley edu steve pope writes the mass of anectdotal evidence combined with the lack of a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving the hypothesis makes the msg reaction hypothesis the most likely explanation for events you forgot the smiley face i cant believe this is what they turn out at berkeley tell me youre an aberration steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer medicine re jiggers i may not be the worlds greatest expert on chiggers a type of mite indigenous to the south but i certainly have spent a lot of time contemplating the little buggers over the past six years since we moved to n c here are some observations gained from painful experience 1 reactions to chiggers vary greatly from person to person some people get tiny red bites others like me are more sensitive and get fairly large swollen sore like affairs 2 chigger bites are the gift that keeps on giving i swear that these things will itch for months 3 there is a lot of folklore about chiggers i think most of it is fiction i have tried to do research on the critters since they have such an effect on me the only book i could find on the subject was a single book in uncs special collections library i have not yet gone through what is required to get it 4 based on my experience and that of my family members the old folk remedy of fingernail polish simply doesnt work i recall reading that the theory upon which it is based that the chiggers burrow into your skin and continue to party there is false i think it is more likely that the reaction is to toxins of some sort the little pests release but this is speculation 5 the best approach is prevention a couple of things work well a good insect repellent deet such as deep woods off liberally applied to ankles waistband etc is a good start there is another preparation called chig away that is a combination of sulfur and some kind of cream cortisone that originally was prepared for the army and is not commercially available in the summer i put this on my ankles every morning when i get up on weekends since i literally cant go outside where we live in the country without serious consequences they apparently dont like sulfur much at all you can use sulfur as a dust on your body or clothing to repel them 6 no amount of prevention will be completely successful forget the fingernail polish i have finally settled upon a treatment that involves topical application of a combination of cortisone creme reduces the inflamation and swelling and benzocaine relieves the itch i wont tell you all the things ive tried nor will i tell you some of the things my wife does since this counts as minor surgery and is best not mentioned i also think it gains nothing 7 the swelling and itching can also be significantly relieved by the application of hot packs and this seems to speed recovery as well doctors seem not to care much about chiggers the urban and suburban doctors apparently dont encounter them much and the rural doctors seem to regard them as a force of nature that one must endure i suspect that anyone who could come up with a good treatment for chiggers would make a lot of money gary h merrill principal systems developer c compiler development sas institute inc sas campus dr cary nc 27513 919 677 8000 sasghm theseus unx sas com mcnc sas sasghm windows re hercules graphite in article c5jbkf 9b8 usenet ucs indiana edu ntaib silver ucs indiana edu iskandar taib writes in article 1993apr06 185638 12139 metrics com tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes has anyone used a hercules graphite adapter it looks good on paper and steve gibson gave it a very good review in infoworld id love to get a real world impression though how is the speed drivers support the pc world reviewers found out that the herc people had hard coded i think it was the iit people who make the chip the card is based on who hard coded the string one of the weeklies looked into this an came to the conclusion that the iit chip was still pretty fast winbench text into the driver clever no in any case the winbench results are pretty much inflated when and if you get one send me mail i might buy that ati gu off you 9 iskandar taib the only thing worse than peach ala internet ntaib silver ucs indiana edu frog is frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubacs guy guy dawson hoskyns group plc guyd hoskyns co uk tel hoskyns uk 71 251 2128 guyd austin ibm com tel ibm austin usa 512 838 3377 windows winword and quattro pro problems on a notebook hello i have a 386sx25 notebook with windows 3 1 running fine winword 2 0 and quattro pro for windows also work fine when no virtual memory is used switching on the virtual memory option these programs probably others too dont work the system crashes the same programs work well with arbitrary virtual memory on two other desktop pcs what am i doing wrong if you can help please mail to me directly if possible thank you very much in advance stefan stefan k kolodzie heinrich heine university institute for general psychology duesseldorf germany e mail kolodzie ze8 rz uni duesseldorf de cars re improvements in automatic transmissions shazad barlas jkjec westminster ac uk wrote to wheelspin in an auto you keep the gear in n gas it then stick the gear in d ive never tried this but am sure it works but does this screw up the autobox were having a bit of a debate about it here ive known more people to leave their rear ends in pieces doing this especially if they have reasonable power to transmit and good traction on the road surface youre better off powerbraking wes fujii a real motor is an oldsmobile rocket 455 hurst this is not the new generation of olds wes banzai fujii olds boise idaho wesf hpdmd48 boi hp com medicine re good grief was re candida albicans what is it reply to aldridge netcom com jacquelin aldridge medicine is not a totally scientific endevour the acquisition of scientific knowledge is completely scientific the application of that knowledge in individual cases may be more art than science there are diseases that havent been described yet and the root cause of many diseases now described arent known read a book on gastroenterology sometime if you want to see a lot of them after scientific methods have run out then its the patients freedom of choice to try any experimental method they choose and its well recognized by many doctors that medicine doesnt have all the answers certainly we dont have all the answers the question is what is the most reliable means of acquiring further medical knowledge the scientific method has proven itself to be reliable the only reason alternative therapies are shunned by physicians is that their practitioners refuse to submit their theories to rigorous scientific scrutiny insisting that tradition or anecdotal evidence are sufficient these have been shown many times in the past to be very unreliable ways of acquiring reliable knowledge crooks ideas have never been backed up by scientific evidence his unwillingness to do good science makes the rest of us doubt the veracity of his contentions david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell religion re what part of no dont you understand in c60y12 e9j panix com mls panix com michael siemon writes in 1993apr24 214843 10940 midway uchicago edu eeb1 quads uchicago edu e elizabeth bartley writes i can certainly see opposing the amen but that doesnt require opposing a moment of silence if the only people proposing a moment of silence are doing so as a sham to sneak in prayers then it must be opposed what the hell have prayers to do with public schooling i ask this question as a devout christian uh oh michael you typed hell and capitalized it to boot now peter nyikos will explain that youre not a real christian ill back off when they do does anybody else besides me see a vicious circle here i guarantee you the people who want school prayer arent going to back off when they cant even manage to get a quiet moment for their kids to pray silently their kids can bloody well pray any god damned time they want to and nothing on heaven or earth in government or the principals office can prevent or in any other way deal with their doing so especially if the prayer is silent as bursting out into the shema yisrael or some other prayer might be construed as disruptive if audible no one ever prevented me from praying in public school they hardly even prevented me from masturbating in study hall bzzt sorry michael the nyikos inquisition pointed out that i was hell bound after one mildly scurrilous pun on revealing oneself admitting to masturbation well im just shocked mp guns re nuclear heavy weapons and the militia long fcrary ucsu colorado edu frank crary writes down to 170 some odd lines we must be making progress on an ironic note where i deleted lines emacs continually gave me the message garbage collecting done think its trying to tell me something viking iastate edu dan sorenson writes and thank you its a great change from the same tired old debates you lurkers can join in at any time you know ahhh talk politics guns the kindler gentler newsgroup who would have thought no not exactly the only reason for this sort of restriction is the possible endangerment of others a poorly maintained rifle is dangerous but only to the user since it doesnt endanger others there is no justification for such restrictions i remind you of shrapnel i consider 5 a reasonable space limitation but make no mistake a gun blowing up is a hazard to those nearby say in the next lane at the range my point was at what distance or level of threat we draw the line is it the endangerment of others so we do a 5 restriction or the possibility of being shot hence we draw a 1 5 mile restriction or a nuke and draw a 5 mile restriction to me they al suffer from the fundamental flaw that they restrict based upon the instrument rather than placing the responsibility for usage squarely upon the shoulders of the user perhaps sen metzenbaum declaring the barrett light fifty an assault rifle has made this more apparent to me since the barrett has only range and acurracy going for it they have determined that their lives are worth the effort to protect their homes and families using nuclear weapons close to home will not accomplish this i disagree on the grounds that a house can be rebuilt much more easily than my family once i have died i assume that word would get to the citizens that such an attack was planned if this is not the case the tactical and strategic implications change quite a bit personally my home is worth say twenty martians intent on taking over the world my family all of them the balancing act here is hard to judge sitting at my desk there is however another problem in any case of civil war the strength of the militias fighting on each side should reflect the popular will if the public is split 67 versus 33 then the minorities militias should be at a 2 1 disadvantage such a need for popular support would hopefully prevent insurrections unless the people really were behind the rebels but heavy weapons owned by a small fraction of the militia could distort this what if the 33 minority included all the tank and artillery owners that seems to be the case already given that heavy weapons arent commonly owned by the citizenry with such low numbers obviously due to cost i dont think the superior weapons are going to be of great effect against a numerically superior foe furthermore it is even more doubtful their training includes proper tactical movements that best utilize tanks whereas the commonly rifleman is not so hampered in effectiveness i think it is vital to avoid such a situation where a small minority would have a reasonable chance of gaining political power through violence to prevent this it may be necessary to give control of heavy weapons e g those which only a small number of individuals would own and whose firepower would grossly distort the relation between popular support and military strength to someone other that individual militiamen this is certainly not a good thing but i think it is the lesser of two evils whoever controls these weapons must be a democratic body responsive to the will of the people i had envisioned that the armorer perhaps the officers of a select group and the like would exercise control over the heavier more complex weapons but if joe bob owns an old sherman tank i certainly wouldnt ask him to give it up follow orders from the officers yes since the expense of a tank is so large though chances are it would be jointly purchased and should therefore be jointly maintained and operated here i think we have to be carefull about which state we are talking about certainly one role of the militia is to overthrow a repressive government and it would be completely destructive to that end for that same government to control the militias arms but the united states have several levels of government each able to act independently but not all likely targets of rebelion as such rebelions against state and local governments are very unlikely i think therefore that the state or possibly local governments could safely be allowed to keep the select militias heavy weapons the risk of abuse while still something to consider is far less than the similar risk were the federal government in control this ill agree with to a point the state having control over the heavy weapons should not be justification for the state to have them centrally located keep them spread out such that the ability of the state to lock them up isnt so easy otherwise i would have to assume that state control would rest on the authority of the governor and militia officers that is eaxctly why i think they should be removed the select militia should privide the militias heavy weapons and highly trained specialists for the reasons i have outlines above i think these heavy weapons tanks artillery aircraft etc are better off being kept by local governments than by a small number of individuals however local governments shouldnt be able to use the select militia without the support to the people ideally the general militia under the direct control of the people and the select militia under the direction of democratic local governments would opperate together but even in the worst case the general militia should be able to functional without the select militia similarly the select militia should be incapable of action without the aid of the general militia im having a hard time seeing how these heavy weapons fairly few in numbers could not be easily wielded by a few people with government support just as you argued above that the weapons should be divvied up and under democratic control so one side doesnt have all of them i cant see where this situation is alleviated in having the select militia holding all the weapons and the unorganized militia being the infantry i think a better mix is called for but i would argue that the federal army should rely upon the select militia and the unorganized militia for the bulk of its infantry units consider then the effect of removing the national guards infantry and placing the guard under the control of local governments the government controled select militia could not fight effectively without infantry support provided by the general militia an inherently infantry organization on the other hand the general militia could function although at a disadvantage without the backing of local governments and the select militia we have to assume that there would be those who would side with the government controlled forces and if theyve all the equipment an infantry force 3x the size would be in trouble id like to see that heavy stuff say tanks offset by the local troups having a few 105s and anti tank weapons in their armory these would be much more useful to infantry than the tank would be when cost and training requirements are figured in i suppose im quibbling over what constitutes heavy equipment but a mechanized infantry unit is what builds dikes in times of flood sets up disaster relief cities and the like i would much rather see these things handled by the local general militias so would i but the resources often arent available to outfit local units well enough thus we will certainly have to call in others and a mechanized unit carries more stuff faster than anything else perhaps the national guard isnt as close to my conception of the select militia as i thought i was considering them to be the heavy weapons armor arm of the militia not the infantry arm of the regular army perhaps our ideas of heavy weapons are different i think main battle tanks self propelled artillery and 155mm and up field pieces are heavy stuff m113 troop carriers 2 1 2 ton trucks humvees old m60 tanks 105 howitzers are more the stuff of a mechanized infantry actually this is what the guard units in iowa are currently fielding in some units perhaps it is just my innate fear of having the real heavy equipment under state control with little but numbers and light stuff to act as a deterrent allowing main battle tanks to the states should be balanced with anti tank capability in the local ranks similarly local units would need to band together quickly hence small and fast response means mechanized infantry finally the militia is more than just fighting equipment is needed for other responses the federal army im convinced should have a very minumum of infantry relying on the state and local militias for these functions dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them religion re cults who keeps them going muttiah thistle ecn purdue edu ranjan s muttiah writes in article sbuckley 735337212 sfu ca sbuckley fraser sfu ca stephen buckley writes bad thoughts these well it depends on whether you take the literal dictionary definition of cult and say all faiths are cults or if you take a more social context view of cult which allows you to recognize mainstream religions as socially acceptable and cults as groups that involve techniques of brain washing and all the other characteristics that define oppressive probly not the best word cult behaviour yeah but implicitly the social context view provides a justification for the dictionary definition of a cult those who follow the mainstream pretend while those in cults act based on the very same impulses now who is to be taken seriously im confused could you restate what yer saying in those who follow the mainstream pretend and act based on the very same impulses windows exit codes dos sorry for wrong group hey now first of all sorry to post this dos question in a windows group but im in kinda a hurry so i cant scramble to find the dos groups names anyway anyone know where i ccan find the exit codes to dos commands the manual doesnt seem to have all of them im particularly looking for copy in order to make a move batch file such that if the file wasnt coppied properly it wont be deleted please email louray seas gwu edu thanks i a mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd baseball re strike zone width was re jose cansecos swing in article 2685 2bd51686 atlas nafb trw com mspede atlas nafb trw com writes huckabays counting frames for bat speed discussion ommited well its just studying tape frame by frame thats all the biggest thing that you notice however is how bastardized the strike zone has become death to the umpires union the plate is 17 1 across not 23 call the high strikes strikes and quit calling pitches 3 outside strikes theyre balls speaking of this 23 wide strike zone id sure like to see cameras placed in each major league park such that an overview shot of home plate is available cbs had this during the ws or did i just dream it these pictures would be a feedback device for the umpires so that they can see just how terrible or not there calls were tapes could be sent to the league as evidence of bad ball strike umpiring tapes are available as evidence of bad out safe calls on the bases i guess that nobody noticed that the calls during the world series and in fact all year have been pretty much consistently correct remember the rule says its a strike if any part of the ball passes through the strike zone i would certainly agree that high strikes are not called who could argue this point but all in all i think in and out is called pretty well rstimets medicine re can men get yeast infections to smithmc mentor cc purdue edu lost boy lb i know from personal experience that men can get yeast infections i lb get rather nasty ones from time to time mostly in the area of the lb scrotum and the base of the penis i used to have problems with recurrent athletes foot until i started drying between my toes with my blow drier after each time i bathe i also dry my pubic area while i am at it to prevent problems you might want to try it my cat types with his tail origin one world los angeles 310 372 0987 32b 1 102 129 0 guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1r1rad 7rl transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article c5s0ds j54 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes the original question was about who started the fire and whether the madmen were inside or outside the compound to which i replied on the possible sanity level of those inside and outside according to an australian documentary made in the year before the stand off began koresh and his followers all believed he was christ koresh had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound these were the perfect children resulting from the great seed of his magnified horn ex members describe him in ways not dissimilar to the way jim jones has been described point noted have you submitted your faith and sex life for batf clearance better hurry i believe the deadline was april 15 i paid my taxes there was no reference to sex or religion on the form the comments above and below were meant to address who might be unstable enough to keep children in a building with tear gas or start a fire fbi agents have to pass rigorous psychological examinations and background checks plus those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain their decisions in great detail to congress why would the fbi want to fulfill koreshs own prophecy and nevertheless they hit all their marks and read all the scripted lines well it sure beats the hell out of me maybe thoreau had a clue when he said it is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious i agree that the batf handled the affair badly two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set by cult members correction the fbi said that two of the cult members said this so far no one else has been able to talk to them so when they talk to the news reporters directly and relate the same details will you believe them believe them i wont even recognize them and neither will anyone else who doesnt know them personally do you believe they would put impostors before the national tv cameras at this point we are getting conflicting reports from the survivors best wait til more light is shed upon them of course this is no good if you believe in eternal darkness cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet medicine re blindsight in article 1993mar26 185117 21400 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes in article 33587 castle ed ac uk hrvoje castle ed ac uk h hecimovic writes compensation or are lesions localized to the sc too rare to be able to tell extremely rare in humans usually so much else is involved youd just have a mess to sort out birds do all vision in the tectum dont they gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars any info on merc 300e 2 6 cheek cars inflation in car prices anyone have figures or pointers to references about how fast much car prices have gone up in the last decade thanks windows re 486 33 win3 1 hang 10748539 eng2 eng monash edu au charles choong writes help problem 486 33mhz hangs in extended mode trying to access drives a or b sometimes it will do dir sometimes will hang on access sometimes will when tying a text file hardware american megatrend motherboard ami bios 91 conner 85mb hard drive trident 1 meg svga please help its ok in standard mode i have the same problem someone suggested it might be a bios bug gonna check with my supplier tomorrow ill tell you if it helps wouter baseball re yankee fears rawley eastwick cars re what car is this the bricklin was a car manufactured by a company started by malcolm bricklin who i believe was canadian he was the first one to import subarus and later was responsible for importing yugos i believe anyway he had this idea that what would really sell would be a sports car but one incorporating a bunch of innovative safety features the bricklin was built to be that queerest of beasts the safety sports car if any of you remember the early 70s movement among car makers to design experimental safety cars you will recognize the general appearance of the bricklin big ol bumpers etc anyone recall other safety features the engine was an american v 8 ford i think is right personally i kinda like the way they look and if i remember from the old magazine articles the performance was only half bad the choice of colors though tended towards the 1970s lime green yech but highly visible i suppose the delorean on the other hand was a dog nice looking imo but no motor at all dan dh3q andrew cmu edu carnegie mellon university applied history i have standards if you dont like them i have others groucho medicine re hismanal et al side effects in article 1993apr20 212706 820 lrc edu kjiv lrc edu writes can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications has been linked to rapid excessive weight gain and or a distorted sense of taste or smell hismanal azmacort a topical steroid to prevent asthma vancenase hismanal astemizole is most definitely linked to weight gain it really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly doesnt cross the blood brain barrier and so tends not to cause drowsiness steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition packer delphi gsfc nasa gov charles packer writes is there such a thing as msg monosodium glutamate sensitivity i saw in the ny times sunday that scientists have testified before an fda advisory panel that complaints about msg sensitivity are superstition anybody here have experience to the contrary im old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least a couple of times since the 1960s then it was called the chinese restaurant syndrome because chinese cuisine has always used it my blood pressure soars my heart pounds and i cant get to sleep for the life of me feels about like i just drank 8 cups of coffee i avoid it and beet sugar flavor enhancers beet powder and whatever other names it may go under basicaly i read the ingredients and if i dont know what they all are i dont buy the product msg sensitivity is definately real relativity schmelativity richard h clark my opinions are my own and lunatik watch for me on the road ought to be yours but under its not my fault i voted perot no circumstances are they richard tis com those of my company guns re atf suspects drug lab in compound in article 1993mar28 180629 21574 mnemosyne cs du edu rcanders nyx cs du edu mr nice guy writes a associated press news story 3 28 93 reports in other developments saturday david troy intelligence chief for the atf confirmed reports that authorities suspected the cult had a methamphetamine lab he said evidence of possible drug activity surfaced late in the atf investigation of the cults gun dealings wow the scope of the mission of the atf continues to expand besides alcohol tobacco and firearms they now seem to be involded in child protective services drug enforcement and tax evasion they look to be on the road to being the nations boys in blue no knock in one hand m 16 in the other zeik heil lance lance w bledsoe lwb im4u cs utexas edu 512 258 0112 ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free guns re criminals machineguns in 1993apr16 202441 16032 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman writes in article 93104 175256u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes people are getting killed by gang violence every day every single day i hear about more people getting killed by gang violence and see some of the weapons that are being confiscated is kratz claiming that he can reliably visually distinguish an m 16 from an ar 15 that he can see the difference between a semi auto and a full auto uzi that he can see the difference between the various versions some full auto some semi auto only of the m 11 9 well let me see uzi no m 11 9 no m 16 ar 15 maybe i remember there being a selector swtich on the ar 15 if i remember correctly please correct me if im wrong the switch would set to an off position or an on position because the gun ar 15 is semi automatic wouldnt the m 16 have a position for semi auto fire and full auto fire or maybe 3 round bursts if this is correct wouldnt it be easy to distinguish each gun by this alone of course if the ar 15 were modified to full auto fire i wouldnt think it would be that easy but im talking about distinguishing between an unmodified ar 15 and m 16 how about the other guns do they also have selector switch to switch between semi auto and fully auto fire if so id love to hear the details if only because theyll demonstrate that kratz is blowing smoke considering that one can design a gun so that it looks just like another gun yet have very different properties and that thats quite common most kids in my neighborhood were quite young when they figured out that my parents car wasnt much like richard pettys even though it looked just like it except for the paint job things must have been different with kratz actually it was pretty hard for the kids in my neighborhood to figure that out as richard petty lived in my neighborhood and left his stock car in the driveway sure its on tv but why does that make a difference no it doesnt but thats irrelevant if visual inspection of the outside worked tv would be acceptable but since it doesnt the fact that its just as good as seeing in person doesnt mean much well what about what i said above if that is correct i guess tv would be acceptable if you had a good enough picture and a picture of the lower receiver of the ar 15 m 16 andy gave kratz a chance to back down on this in private jason kratz didnt take andys offer to back down in private cars pontiac e mail car clubs i am interested to know if there is any pontiac e mail car clubs out there has anyone started one or is anybody thinking about starting one thanks for any info you can give me maloney badlands nodak edu guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article c5sou8 lnb news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes more than someone who would not release children from the compound i suppose its too late now but the repeated use of the word release is peculiar lets say you and your family are besieged in your home by some people with tanks helicopters and automatic weapons they give you a break from the amplified sounds of dying rabbits to blare you in there release the children and theyll be perfectly all right stipulate on top of that that you may not have your epistemology entirely in order is it entirely surprising that the branch davidians were reluctant to release their children into fbi custody pgp 2 key by finger or e mail eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu medicine cost of roxonal does anyone know the approximate prescription cost of a 250 ml bottle of roxonal morphine thanks cars re top 10 reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired in article c4wjgq a40 constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes no at six years you are nearing the end of the design life of the vehicle when everything should be breaking at that point the driving habits make more difference than the actual reliability of the vehicle so the data becomes unreliable for drawing conclusions bad driving habits can damage a car in a couple of months not 6 years if that were not the case everyone would be driving fleet rental re solds and while you are considering things factors in stat terms how about city vs highway driving ratios owner vs dealer service extreme weather or environment adherence sp to maintenance schedules whether the car has ever been in an accident number of different drivers of the same car in a family whether the car is garaged warmed up spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology delco electronics 317 451 0815 gm hughes electronics kokomo in 46904 a different kind of disclaimer baseball re braves update in article steph 735349318 pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes in c5sysg kad odin corp sgi com luigi sgi com randy palermo writes in article 13586 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes did you see the same game i saw gant most reasonable argued a horrible call which hirschbeck correctly did nothing about gant then proceeded to walk halfway to 3rd base lean on his bat and glare at hirschbeck while i dont necessasarily subscribe to the theory of showing people up this was an obvious attempt by gant to do so to hirschbeck he left hirschbeck no choice but to take control of the situation the bottom line is gant started a dangerous power struggle with hirschbeck when his team needed him most and he lost the events i saw were 1 called strike by hirschbeck was it just me or did it look like hirschbeck pointed to the 3b umpire before calling that strike i thought thats why gant was asking for the appeal to the 1st base umpire he thought hirschbeck had gotten checked swing help from the wrong umpire 2 shocked looking gant asks for appeal to first 3 no appeal to first 4 gant steps out of batters box 5 hirschbeck immediately orders gant back in bad move 6 gant ignores hirschbeck and walks off bad move 7 hirschbeck yells at gant gant is silent 8 hirschbeck calls for the pitch after hirschbeck called for the pitch but before the pitch was thrown cox came onto the field it was obvious that he was trying to get time called before the pitch but no one was watching 9 pitch is called a strike 10 cox argues couldnt see when he came on the field 11 cox is ejected players everywhere 12 play finally resumes gant shouldnt have ignored hirschbeck not returning made the strike call fairly likely although i suspect an argument might have gotten gant tossed altogether but if hirschbeck had let gant step out the whole incident probably would have been avoided your listing pretty much agreed with what i saw with the aforementioned addendums perhaps it appeared differently at the ballpark personally i was amazed that gant didnt get ejected but thats why cox did its called protecting your players and to those people who would have thrown everyone out of the game all i can say is that youd be making baseball history even in the worst baseball brawls usually only the major instigators are ejected not everyone who comes onto the field and id have to say that those brawls are considerably more threatening to the game than what the braves did fri night anyhow thats my last two cents on the subject barring outrageous postings i will try to keep my eyes open for more incidents involving hirschbeck i think there will be some with other teams as well i hope not eric baseball new yankees mailing list hi all i got tired of waiting for a mailing list so i am going to make one just send me your complete e mail address on your message and ill send you a confirmation and the yankee mailing list address john go yankees cars re warning please read from article 1993apr15 024246 8076 virginia edu by ejv2j virginia edu erik velapoldi this happened about a year ago on the washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass four or five cars were hit there were several serious injuries and sadly a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck in the head by one of the larger rocks i dont recall if she made it but i think she was comatose for a month or so and doctors werent holding out hope that shed live what the hell is happening to this great country of ours i can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such but 20 pound rocks has our society really stooped this low erik velapold yes medicine re migraine and exercise jl from jlecher pbs org jl i would not classify a mild headache that was continuous for weeks jl as migraine even if the other typical features were there e g jl unilateral nausea and vomiting photophobia migraines are by jl common agreement episodic rather than constant jl jl well im glad that you arent my doctor then or id still be suffering jl remember i was tested for any other cause and there was nothing im jl otherwise very healthy jl the nagging pain has all of the qualifications its on one side and jl frequently included my entire right side right arm right leg right eye jl even the right side of my tongue hurt or tingled noise hurt light hurt jl thinking hurt when it got bad i would lose my ability to read the differential diagnosis between migraine and non migranous pain is not always important because some therapies are effective in both e g tricyclic antidepressants such as amitriptyline non steroidal anti inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen other therapies may be more specific beta blockers such as propranolol work better in migraine than tension type headache the most important thing from your perspective is that you got relief also please understand that a diagnosis other than migraine does not necessarily mean psychogenic i suspect that organic factors play as large a role in tension type headache as in migraine slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein windows 486 33 win3 1 hang help problem 486 33mhz hangs in extended mode trying to access drives a or b sometimes it will do dir sometimes will hang on access sometimes will when tying a text file hardware american megatrend motherboard ami bios 91 conner 85mb hard drive trident 1 meg svga please help its ok in standard mode medicine re discussions on alt psychoactives re serious discussion about drugs vs where can i get a good bong man why not have the group moderated that would eliminate some of the idiots guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 1993apr23 044544 24559 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman says this is where freemans love of accuracy becomes really ridiculous good now lets look at those sections theyll prove my point his point was that it is possible under certain circumstances for many people to carry concealed in illinois a a person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons when he knowingly 4 carries or possesses in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person except when on his land or in his own abode or fixed place of business any pistol revolver stun gun or taser or other firearm note that this doesnt affect all concealed carry look after the word except it always helps to read the law before commenting on it i did read the law before i commented on it judging from replies i received about my semantics on t p g post many if not most people here on t p g assume that when ccw laws are asked about the person is asking about the possibility of an ordinary citizen getting one it would also follow that said person would get the ccw to carry on his her person away from their home and or business would a prudent storekeeper carry concealed how about someone at home note that both are legal and a lot of common people qualify for one or the other andy maybe freeman did prove his point but his point is not relevant the thing that most people seem to care about when they ask questions about carrying a concealed weapon is whether or not they can carry it concealed on their person when they are out on the street somewhere im sure that not many people are concerned with whether or not they can carry concealed at home speaking as someone who lives in illinois the only place where the above quoted law is relevant i know that it is legal to own a handgun here i am not taking into account city ordinances i could care less about whether or not i can carry concealed at home i only care about the fact that i cant carry concealed in the place where it really counts out on the street freeman loves to be accurate and i can understand that especially not but he seems to be forgetting that accurate facts dont always replace common sense i am not going to followup to this thread anymore because i believe that it is useless to argue these points anymore the only thing that is happening now is that freeman and i are running around in circles trying to prove each other wrong and i do not have the time to be playing games anymore of course now freeman will attack me about my use of common sense in some of my earlier posts but what can i do my only advice for freeman quit being so picky about accuracy sometimes and use your common sense it really does work some times jason u28037 uicvm cc uic edu baseball jim lefebvre is an idiot i just wanted to let everyone know that i have lost what little respect i have for jim lefebvre after seeing todays cubs game first of all how could he start maldonado over may after the way may played at the end of last year and the way he tore up the cactus league how could you let him sit the bench not to mention that a right hander maddux started i really blew my top when lefebvre pinch hit for rick wilkins with tommy shields how can you do that just because of the lefty righty thing too much is made of that wilkins is twice the hitter that shields is then the next batter was jose vizcaino one of the weakest hitters i have ever seen and who had looked terrible at bat all day and lefebre let him hit while may still sat the bench i think even arnie harris was stunned by this because he showed may sitting in the dugout while vizcaino was batting face it lefebvre has got to be the worst manager in baseball a dishard cub fan medicine re the andromeda strain in article c5pvp5 82l chinet chi il us dhartung chinet chi il us dan hartung writes just had the opportunity to watch this flick on a e some 15 years since i saw it last wow the wwii channel did something not wwii i was very interested in the technology demonstrated in this film for handling infectious diseases and similar toxic substances clearly they faked a lot of the computer robotic technology certainly at the time it was made most of that was science fiction itself let alone the idea of a space germ the graphics capabilities of the computers were very faked for movie audiences who have not ability or patience with numbers the book was more realistic in that respect in all respects actually the robotics are still out of range but not impossible quite coincidentally actually this is what got me wanted to see the movie again i watched a segment on the otherwise awful howd they do that dealing with a disease researcher at the cdcs top lab there was description of the elaborate security measures taken so that building will never be cracked so to speak by man or nature short of deliberate bombing from the air perhaps and the researchers used spacesuits similar to that in the film sf and i ve always wondered how crichton escapes this classification is usually ahead of science in both prediction and precaution nasas decontaimination processes were supposedly taken to prevent sf story disasters i mean nasa scientists were often sf readers and sometimes writers and felt pre warned by their reading im curious what people think about this film short of silly is such a facility technically feasible today i think the film still holds up among the best of sf films but that isnt saying a whole lot as far as the plot and the crystalline structure that is not life as we know it thats a whole nother argument for rec arts sf tech or something yep medicine candida albicans what is it someone i know has recently been diagnosed as having candida albicans a disease about which i can find no information apparently it has something to do with the bodys production of yeast while at the same time being highly allergic to yeast can anyone out there tell me any more about it thanks david partain davpa ida liu se ida university of link oping work phone 46 013 28 26 08 s 581 83 link oping sweden telefax 46 013 28 26 66 baseball re game length was re braves update umpires are not required to call time out just because a player asks for time only in extreme cases like dust in the pitchers or hitters eyes should an umpire call time the batter has 20 seconds to get situated in the box and receive a pitch im against putting a giant clock or any size clock for that matter up to count down 20 seconds between pitches and the minute for warm ups but i think umpires should tell hitters to go to hell if they step out to get the sign or whatever and instruct the pitcher to pitch the same goes for pitchers umps should tell them to pitch or feint within 20 seconds or a ball will be called thats the way it should be ryan robbins penobscot hall university of maine io20456 maine maine edu windows re trumpet for windows other news readers in article 1993apr21 082430 liris tew kuleuven ac be wimvh liris tew kuleuven ac be wim van holder writes what the status of trumpet for windows will it use the windows sockets i liked it in dos but had to abandon it since i started using ndis to access our token ring results in invalid class error while i do not speak for peter tattam i am fairly sure he is planning a winsock compliant version while this will definitely not make the initial public release of wintrumpet it will follow on shortly thereafter currently wintrumpet is in very late beta it looks like an excellent product with several features beyond the dos version wintrumpet supports the trumpet tcp novell lwp and there is also a direct to packet driver version that some people are using with the dis pkt shim ashok ashok aiyar mail ashok biochemistry cwru edu department of biochemistry tel 216 368 3300 cwru school of medicine cleveland ohio fax 216 368 4544 baseball dodgers newsletter could somebody please tell me if there is a dodgers newsletter on the net and if so how to subscribe thanks joel windows windows enhanced mode how to get 386 icon functionality i recently set windows 3 1 up on my 486dx 33 vlb system and i didnt notice until last night that i dont have the 386 icon in my control panel i dont remember windows setup asking me about 386 enhanced mode whether i wanted it or not now ive got a program that i just bought aldus freehand 3 1 that is telling me that i should be running windows in enhanced mode looks like im running in standard mode how can switch to enhanced mode without the little icon thingie are there some issues involved with vesa lb systems which cause windows to not want to give you enhanced mode thanks for any help david victor medicine re bates method for myopia dr willian horatio bates born 1860 and graduated from med school 1885 medical career hampered by spells of total amnesia published in 1920 his great work the cure of imperfect eyesight by treatment with out glasses he made claims about how the eye actually works that are simply not true aldous huxley was one of the more high profile beleivers in his system mr huxley while giving a lecture on bates system forgot the lecture that he was supposedely reading and had to put the paper right up to his eyes and then resorted to a magnifying glass from his pocket book have been written debunking this technique however they remain less read than the original fraud cheers jc oneb almanac bc ca john cross the old frogs almanac home of the almanac unix users group 604 245 3205 v32 public access usenet 604 245 4366 2400x4 vancouver island british columbia waffle xenix 1 64 cars geico annoyance if you want to annoy geico call them up give fake name but real car specs get a quote and then tell them they are more expensive than your current state farm allstate insurance they will still send you quote etc then you can tear up their quote and stuff it in the prepaid return envelope and mail it back to them actually they were 12 more than my current state farm rates windows is kermit available for windows 3 0 3 1 hello all i was wondering is the kermit package the actual package not a different program with kermit file transfers available for microsoft windows 3 0 3 1 any information would be greatly appreciated please e mail or post thanks in advance unabashed shabba ranks fan steve frampton frampton vicuna ocunix on ca steve frampton i collect postcards if you send me one from 501 a princess st your area ill send one in return send to kingston ontario dont forget both email and mailing address canada k7l 1c3 guns re what to do if you shoot somebody in article veal 744 735151266 utkvm1 utk edu veal utkvm1 utk edu david veal says in article 93108 025818u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu i have heard many opinions on this subject and would like to hear more from the people on the net say youre in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody you give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them my question is what do you do should you stay and wait for the cops or should you collect your brass if youre using a semi auto and get out of there provided of course you dont think that you have been seen as a data point from tennessee a friend of mine and a police officer essentially recommends that if you can fade away even if you were perfectly justified youre likely in for a great deal of hassle a side note carrying a gun concealed is a misdemeanor this is exactly what i have heard before if you were to fade away and nobody saw you what kind of evidence would they be able to get to catch you this is assuming that you either collected your brass or had a revolver what kind of laws are on the books regarding this type of situation what would be the most likely thing to happen to you if you stayed and waited and it was a first offense what would happen if you took off but someone saw you and you were caught its one of those by state things pretty much guess its time to take a trip to the library and look at the illinois statutes again just for the record folks im just asking this because im curious im just trying to find out from people who have read more on stuff like this david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al jason u28037 uicvm cc uic edu cars thanks 86 nova advice i want to thank all the people that responded to my post a few weeks ago about buying an 86 chev nova with over 100 000 mi i decided to buy the car and have had it for about a month i replaced the front brake pads and changed the oil so far no problems have surfaced i received many suggestions and encouragement on this purchase and figured a late thank you was better than none thanks to all jim baseball re bo was a good player you shorts plus idiots in article 1993apr5 101636 1 otago ac nz guilford otago ac nz writes in article 1993apr4 030934 23187 princeton edu roger crux princeton edu roger lustig writes in article 1993apr4 133620 1 otago ac nz guilford otago ac nz writes bo jackson 1963 1988 kcr 437 106 16 4 23 28 29 7 253 67 243 288 455 1989 kcr 517 134 19 5 33 41 27 10 274 92 259 314 507 1990 kcr 405 110 17 1 27 44 16 9 286 77 272 343 519 1991 cws 71 16 3 0 3 12 0 1 240 10 225 337 394 maj 1430 366 55 10 86 125 72 27 270 246 256 316 489 maj 598 153 23 4 36 52 30 11 this is what jackson looked like in 88 91 with everything converted to a neutral park on the basis of run production his equivalent average started at 253 in 88 was up to 274 in 89 and 286 in 90 so let us say he had established in his last two seasons a 280 level of play that is good very good in fact but it probably doesnt make the top ten in the league the 10th best eqa in the al in 1992 was dave winfields 296 thomas was first at 350 first in the nl was bonds an incroyable 378 tenth was bip roberts 297 but 280 is better than any season in the past five years by joe carter it is about what mattingly had in 1988 285 what felix jose had the last two years just ahead of time raines five year average better than ryan kleskos mles he got more attention from the media than was warranted from his baseball playing though his hype was a lot better than his hitting that is the basis for the net comments about him being overrated the media would have you beleive he was a great hitter i think he was a good maybe very good hitter he was imo something like the 30th best hitter in the majors clay d windows how guns re do they really believe in article 1993apr5 150031 3123 colorado edu ajteel dendrite cs colorado edu a j teel writes q do you think that hic et al really believe that the laws that they are trying to get passed are for the good or are they just lying through their teeth and trying to disarm the populace i think that hci people honestly believe that passing more gun control laws will be in the best interests of public safety why do i think this because i used to buy the hci line during my freshman year 1987 their line made so much sense only people who need guns should be able to get them and the people who need them are the police and other elites unfortunately for us this position is highly emotional and not well thought out they never stop to think that hcis position basically says that the non elite are incompetents thats you and me folks and that the second amendment has absolutely nothing to do with hunting or other legitimate uses which excludes overthrowing tyrannical governments and defending yourself when the police have proven they cant protect you we all know that the end result regardless of the intention will be to have a much easier to subdue population for the un nwo this is definitely a motivation of many in power but i wonder to what degree this is planned vs just duped every pro control person ive talked to is always left stumped when i simply argue the facts of gun control that it has yet to be proven to lower crime rates and weapons terminology and im no expert but explaining exactly how an evil semiautomatic weapon really works does wonders i hvae personally found well reasoned arguments to be most effective against the emotional pro control people the trick is to get them to realize that the second amendment exists not for hunters but for the oppressed and the terrorized daryl daryl biberdorf n5gjm d biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura baseball the braves will come around to all the braves doubters dont worry the bats will come alive and the braves will come around the pitching is solid and as long the braves dont have serious injuries to the starting rotation theyll continue to pitch well heck with the five starters on the braves rotation they could even sustain an injury to one of the five i hope this doesnt happen though the bats are there pendleton will certainly bat over 280 justice is catching fire bream nixon sanders gant well theres too much offense there to be kept quiet for much longer right now the cleveland indians have 7 players batting over 300 but i certainly wouldnt their seven for our respective seven though wouldnt the braves be something right now with their pitching and 7 players batting over 300 the bullpen well it is suspect but when the bats come alive the guys in the bullpen will be of less concern so anyway i believe the braves will be tough to beat this season im not saying the braves have automatically won the division but im optim istic about their season though its awful painful to watch them at times right now go braves dean baseball re my 93 picks with only one comment in article jfr2 733938351 ra msstate edu jfr2 ra msstate edu jackie f russell writes psg pitt edu paul s galvanek writes since i did so well last year heres another shot at picking the winners and losers ill skip the commentary on why i picked who to finish where due to lack of time for flame wars 8 kansas city 25 0 i think kc has a much better shot at being in the top division than the bottom one word cone should help things tremendously i think you are way off the mark here another word offense makes them my pick for last too well theres also my policy of never picking a buck rodgers team for last florida 12 0 chicago 20 0 i dont know if an expansion team has ever finished not last but i think this year might be a first if it hasnt ever happened the cubs are worse the 1961 angels were 1 2 game out of 7th the athletics and expansion senators finished tied for last the 1962 colt 45s finshed 8th ahead of the cubs the mets were last the 1969 royals finshed 4th ahead of the white sox the pilots in last the 1977 mariners finished 6th ahead of the athletics in last apparently being an expansion team with a poor as or chicago team around is a good thing national league west cincinnati houston 5 0 atlanta 8 0 argh here is where you are obviously dead wrong not since the yankees of the 20s and 30s has a team been so nicely setup as this years and years to come braves i dont think that the all star team will be able to beat this may be an appropriate comparison the 1929 31 yankees finshed 2nd 3rd and 2nd finshing 18 16 and 13 1 2 games out of first in 1933 34 and 35 they also finished second though they were only 7 7 and 3 games out even great teams can lose thats why they play the season on the other hand im still picking the braves to go all the way john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman predictions for 93 marlins 70 wins rockies 50 wins and rockies fans will claim that the offense is adequate cars re audiwatch update tm 11 in article 1993apr2 194838 13476 news cs brandeis edu andyh chaos cs brandeis edu andrew j huang writes in article 1993apr2 181037 11188 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu brian j queiser writes powell interlan interlan com glen d powell writes the kind of corporate raiding apparently undertaken by vw is shameful agreed however the particular execs had been working with iggy for many years and had left gm europe to go to detroit with their raison andy i was out of date vw is stealing execs directly from opel independent of lopez shameful andy baseball re notes on jays vs indians series substituting irony for brains bruce klopfenstein said dtate pitt edu david m tate writes of course they left rbis off were comparing alomar the individual with baerga the individual so only individual stats count i forgot most runs are scored by players stealing home so rbi dont count for anything uh right you also forgot that you cant get an rbi barring a hr with nobody on base what fraction of all runs come on solo hr most runs are scored because there happened to be players on base when the batter did something good i use the phrase happened to be advisedly lots of people have tried to figure out who the players are who have the most ability to turn it up a notch in clutch rbi whatever situations and what theyve found is that there is no evidence that anyone has such an ability to any measurable extent there are no clutch hitters people who tend to do things that would cause an rbi if there were somebody on base end up getting rbis proportional to how many of their teammates obliged by being in position my mistake i agree david m tate dtate pitt edu greetings sir with bat not quick member iie orsa tims sabr hands not soft eye not discerning and in denver they call you a slugger the big catullus galarraga and compare you to my own mattingly medicine re looking for info on kemotherapy p kinda long in article 1rjpu7innmij shelley u washington edu kryan stein u washington edu kerry ryan writes hello a friend is under going kemotherapy sp for breast cancer im trying to learn what i can about it any info would be appreciated thanks youve asked a toughie of a question there are many different drugs which are used for chemotherapy the overall purpose of chemotherapy dont worry about the spelling some of these crazy medical words are impossible to spell is to either destroy cancer cells or to keep them from growing different drugs have different effects on cancer cells and therefore it is not uncommon to use more than one drug at a time some chemotherapeutic drugs are effective anytime during the growth cycle of a cell others work only at specific times during the cell cycle the first phase of the cell cycle is g1 it is when the protein synthesis and rna systhesis occurs in the second phase s synthesis of dna occurs the third phase is g2 the dna splits and rna and protein are synthesized aagain in the fourth phase m or mitosis the cell may divide there are drugs which are effective in each phase some stop dna synthesis others stop the cell from dividing others wreck protein synthesis at any rate the end result that is being sought is for the cancer cells to stop growing if what you are seeking is practical advice i apologize for rambling on the techno stuff some side effects are pretty common chemo drugs are rather nasty it can cause a person to lose their appetite and to experience nausea and vomiting things to help this include eating small frequent meals it is also suggested that if nausea vomiting hereafter known as n v occurs that the person notify the doctor there are medicines tthat help nausea diarrhea can be an effect antidiarrheal medications can be given and good skincare and fluid intake are important probably the one of biggest concsern is hair loss this does not always happen it depends on what drugs are being given and on the person themself different people taking the same drug can and do have different side effects i have seen some literature which states that wearing a snug headband and or wearing an ice cap can help reduce hair loss presumably by reducing blood flow to the scalp if anyone has seen research on this too i would love to see it and possibly some bib data i highly recommend making contact with the american cancer society they have a vast selection of literature and information in addition if your friend has had a mastectomy i highly recommend reach for recovery it is a support group comprised entirely of women who have lost a breast because of cancer they can offer some excellent support and suggestions if you have further questions please send me e mail i hav some good access to information and i enjoy trying to help other people i wish the best to you and your friend windows re how do i quickly switch between windows screen resolutions in article c5qlr8 djl cbnewsl cb att com slg slgsun att com the idealistic cynic writes can someone out there tell me how to switch windows screen resolution quickly and easily i know that i can go back into install to do it sean l gilley take a look at ftp cica indiana edu at pub pc win3 util misc for a program caleld vswitch zip its as close to want you want as you can get in win3 1 hope it helps costas malamas georgia institute of technology oit ua opinions expressed are not necessarily oits internet ccastco prism gatech edu guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 1qie2rinn1b9 cae cad gatech edu vincent cad gatech edu vincent fox writes in 93104 173826u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes deleted and as far as fully automatic weapons you can be a lot better armed if you want to hit what you aim at what seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of proportion in my post i was referring to your regular patrolman in a car cruising around the city vs gang members of course the police have access to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the time of course they dont and thats the point i was trying to make every day when i go out to lunch i always see cops coming in the majority that i see are still carrying revolvers not that there is anything wrong with a revolver but if youre a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple of automatics in his coat i mean semi auto handguns youre going to be at a disadvantage even with training i have been at a shooting range where gang gang members were practicing shooting they were actually practicing taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target and they werent doing too badly either the university cops here who are are state cops are armed better than the chicago police it seems most state cops are every city and suburban police officer ive seen around the twin cities in the last two years has carried a semi auto of some type different brands though i havent seen any glocks with regard to this discussion we are getting dangerously far from the usual rantings of t p g and close to the realm of r g but id like to put my two cents worth in while theres nothing wrong with a revolver especially a large frame s w in 357 magnum my favorite there are valid advantages to semi autos i suggest reading massad ayoobs i know some people cant stand him and think hes full of bull but i think that in general his material is very valid and useful book the semi auto pistol in police work or something like that he defines a number of ways that semi autos are different and that different is good the main advantage is not in increased firepower but in more accurate followup shots when you go to single action mode there is also a certain propriatory nature of each gun that takes some familiarity to learn this may have diminished with time as more criminals become familiar with different models of semi autos but it was cited as stopping or at least slowing down criminals who had grabbed a police officers gun define armed better go shoot a revolver and a semi auto like the colt 45 does one fires faster than the other nope aside from which faster rate of fire is usually not desirable sure it makes the other guys duck for cover but just you trying hitting anything with a thompson in hose mode this is why the military is limiting its m 16 now to 3 round burst fire simple semi auto would be better but the troops like to be able to rock and roll even if it is wasteful of ammo something often in short supply when the enemy is plentiful a revolver is equally capable as a semi auto in the same caliber a revolver also has the advantage that if it misfires you just pull the trigger again a double action revolver almost all of them can be hand cocked first but will fire merely by pulling the trigger yes but this is best done with a two hand hold with a single hand you either pull the gun far off target to cock or must fire double action the da semi auto has the same advantages plus is always sa after the first shot a misfire in a revolver merely means you must pull the trigger again to rotate to the next round im not sure if this is meant to be different from your first point in a da semi auto you can pull the trigger again to try dropping the hammer on the same round an advantage you dont have in a revolver where the next trigger pull will always go to the next round discussing this point now this is fine with a dud but what about a hangfire situation granted its very rare but your round will now go off confined in the cylinder with no place to go slingshotting the slide on a misfire takes very little time a revolver can be carried with the 6th chamber empty and under the hammer for maximum safety but still can be drawn and fired with an easy motion even one handed actually with modern revolver designs incorporating hammer blocks this is not necessary or usually recommended a revolver would have to fall hard enough and at the right angle to actually break the hammer and driver the firing pin into the round to set it off speedloaders for a revolver allow reloads almost as fast as magazines on semi autos can be faster depending on users the best speedloader users especially those using the spring loaded speed loaders are very fast a problem is that ejecting the spent cases is a two handed job where dropping the expended magazine is one handed this means that while you can be inserting a fresh magazine as soon as the old one clears the gun with a speed loader you have to go through more motions that will always take more time you also dont have the advantage of tactical reloads replacing a partial magazine to bring you back to full capacity the partial magazine can still be used if needed later a misfire in a semi auto will require you to clear a jammed shell first time spent which can be fatal and a vital second or so is often lost as you realize hey its jammed before starting to do anything about clearing it yes the time to recognize the problem is just as important as the time to clear it really though in either a revolver or semi auto the odds of an actual misfire with factory ammo are awfully small you are more likely to get a jam in a semi auto but even these are exceptionally rare with modern quality guns sigs glocks et al most semi autos must have the slide worked to chamber the first round and cock the hammer some police carry their semi autos with the chamber loaded and hammer cocked but a safety engaged i do not consider this safe however you must trade off safety to get the same speed of employment as a revolver there are some double action semi autos out there but the complexity of operation of many of them requires more training all common semi autos can be carried with a round in their chamber without any safety problems while i put that out as a statement that i believe i should say that this applies to all of the ones ive looked at for the da semis its no different from the revolver situation the guns all have hammer or firing pin blocks they also have a safety because theres no real advantage carrying one of these cocked and locked you have the same safety and speed of employment as a revolver plus the advantage of sa followup shots im not familiar with sa semi autos except for the 1911 a1 i admit that i was initially skeptical about carrying this cocked and locked but after examining the design trying to defeat the safeties gun unloaded of course and shooting it a lot i see no inherent safety problems with it especially in a thumbreak holster with the strap under the hammer this design also gets you more speed for an accurate first shot than a revolver some police departments switched to glocks and then started quietly switching many officers back to the old revolvers too many were having accidents partly due to the poor training they received not that glocks require rocket scientists but some cops are baffled by something as complex as the timer on a vcr yeah the infamous glock i still cant figure out how its worse than a revolver for safety if you dont pull the trigger it doesnt go off i imagine that if all your revolver shooting was done double action then you could pull the glock trigger far enough to fire before you realized it in addition if you had developed that nasty habit of keeping your finger on the trigger when holstering your gun and relying on your thumb on the hammer to remind you to take it off before you blew off your foot then youd have problems when the hammer wasnt there anyone who goes anyone saying that the criminals obviously outgun the police dont know nothing about firearms turn off cops and hunter and pay attention i do not seek here to say semi autos are junk merely that assuming they are better for all jobs is stupid a cop with a revolver on his hip and a shotgun in the rack is more than equipped for anything short of a riot i think this is even okay for a riot as long as its a small one b gun control is hitting what you aim at if you whip out a wonder nine and fire real fast you may find you dont hit anything good controlled fire from a revolver is more likely to get you a hit i own a 9mm beretta myself but consider it inferior as a carry weapon to something like the ruger security six revolver if i havent hit what im aiming at in the first 5 shots something is quite seriously wrong somewheres while i might like having the backup capacity of those extra shots in certain cases overwhelmingly the of shots fired in criminal encounters is less than 5 i have the poor mans beretta taurus 99 and consider it inferior as a carry weapon to the springfield 45 oops 9mm vs 45 arguments are relegated to r g you are right though if you dont hit what you aim at then the shooter gun combination has failed i dont ascribe failures in the the fire real fast with a wonder nine scenario you mention to the gun this is a shooter failure whether through lack of discipline or lack of training what do crooks overwhelmingly use in crime why the same nice simple 38 revolvers that the police often use well actually some police prefer the much heftier 357 magnum but anyway 9mms are becoming more popular with crooks too though the 38 does still lead the list and like i said around here semi autos seem the rule for the street cop dont know about the state patrol however they may still carry the highway patrolman obplea dont flame me i prefer semi autos for most things but they introduce unneccessary complications to something as nerve wracking as an abrupt encounter with a lone criminal vincent please dont take any of this as a flame just my 0 02 whoops looks more like 2 00 worth and much of it is imho but do check ayoobs book if everything had gone as planned everything would have been perfect batf spokesperson on cnn 3 2 93 regarding failed raid attempt in tx medicine faq typing injuries 4 4 software monitoring tools monthly posting archive name typing injury faq software version 1 8 7th december 1992 this faq is actually maintained by richard donkin richardd hoskyns co uk i post it along with the other faq stuff if you have questions you want to send mail to richard not me dan software tools to help with rsi this file describes tools primarily software to help prevent or manage rsi this version now includes information on such diverse tools as calendar programs and digital watches please let me know if you know any other tools or if you have information or opinions on these ones and i will update this faq i am especially interested in getting reviews of these products from people who have evaluated them or are using them richard donkin internet mail richardd hoskyns co uk tel 44 71 814 5708 direct fax 44 71 251 2853 changes in this version added information on stressfree another typing management tool for windows typing management tools these aim to help you manage your keyboard use by warning you to take a break every so often the better ones also include advice on exercises posture and workstation setup some use sound hardware to warn of a break others use beeps or screen messages often rsi appears only after many years of typing and the pain has a delayed action in the short term too frequently you can be typing all day with little problem and the pain gets worse in the evening these tools act as an early warning system by listening to their warnings and taking breaks with exercises you dont have to wait for your body to give you a more serious and painful warning that is getting rsi tool at your service commercial software available from bright star tel 1 206 451 3697 platforms mac system 6 0 4 windows description provides calendar keyboard watch email watch and system info warns when to take a break configurable has a few recommendations on posture and exercises sound oriented will probably work best with sound card pc or with microphone mac should be possible to record your own messages to warn of break tool audioport sound card and software available from media vision tel 1 510 226 2563 platforms pc description a sound card to plug into your pc parallel port includes at your service tool computer health break commercial software available from escape ergonomics inc 1111 w el camino real suite 109 mailstop 403 sunnyvale ca tel 1 408 730 8410 platforms dos description aimed at preventing rsi this program warns you to take breaks after a configurable interval based on clock time or after a set number of keystrokes whichever is earlier it gives you 3 exercises to do each time randomly selected from a set of 70 exercises are apparently tuned to the type of work you do data entry word processing information processing exercises are illustrated and include quite a lot of text on how to do the exercise and on what exactly the exercise does chb includes hypertext information on rsi that you can use to learn more about rsi and how to prevent it other information on non rsi topics can be plugged into this hypertext viewer a full glossary of medical terms and jargon is included chb can be run in a dos box under windows but does not then warn you when to take a break it does not therefore appear useful when used with windows cost 79 95 quantity discounts site licenses comments the keystroke counting approach looks good it seems better to measure the activity that is causing you problems than to measure clock time or even typing time the marketing stuff is very good and includes some summaries of research papers as well as lots of arguments you can use to get your company to pay up for rsi management tools tool eyercise commercial software available from ran enterprises one woodland park dr haverhill ma 01830 us tel 800 451 4487 us only platforms windows 3 0 3 1 os 2 pm 1 3 2 0 not dos description aimed at preventing rsi and eye strain this program warns you to take breaks after a configurable interval or at fixed times optionally displays descriptions and pictures of exercises pictures are animated and program beeps you to help you do exercises at the correct rate includes 19 stretches and 4 visual training exercises can configure which are included and how many repetitions you do breaks last from 3 to 7 minutes also includes online help on workplace ergonomics quote from their literature eyercise is a windows program that breaks up your day with periodic sets of stretches and visual training exercises the stretches work all parts of your body relieving tension and helping to prevent repetitive strain injury the visual training exercises will improve your peripheral vision and help to relieve eye strain together these help you to become more relaxed and productive the package includes the book computers visual stress by edward c godnig o d and john s hacunda which describes the ergonomic setup for a computer workstation and provides procedures and exercises to promote healthy and efficient computer use cost 69 95 including shipping and handling quantity discounts for resellers free demo 5 outside us comments i have a copy of this and it works as advertised i would say it is better for rsi prevention than rsi management because it does not allow breaks at periods less than 30 minutes also it interrupts you based on clock time rather than typing time which is not so helpful unless you use the keyboard all day worked ok on windows 3 0 though it did occasionally crash with a uae not sure why also refused to work with the space bar on one pc and has one window without window controls very usable though and does not require any sound hardware tool lifeguard commercial software available from visionary software p o box 69447 portland or 97201 us tel 1 503 246 6200 platforms mac dos windows version underway description aimed at preventing rsi warns you to take a break with dialog box and sound includes a list of exercises to do during breaks and information on configuring your workstation in an ergonomic manner price 59 quantity discounts and site licenses the dos product is bought in from another company apparently not sure how equivalent this is to the mac version the mac version got a good review in desktop publisher magazine feb 1991 good marketing stuff with useful 2 page summaries of rsi problems and solutions with references tool stressfree commercial software free usable demo available from lifetime software p o box 87522 houston texas 77287 7522 us tel 800 947 2178 us only fax 1 713 474 2067 mail 70412 727 compuserve com demo working program but reduced functions available from compuserve windows advanced forum new uploads section or health and fitness forum issues at work section anon ftp ftp cica indiana edu and mirroring sites platforms windows 3 0 3 1 mac and dos versions underway description aimed at preventing rsi this program warns you to take breaks after a configurable interval or at fixed times displays descriptions and pictures of exercises pictures are animated and program paces you to help you do exercises at the correct rate quite a few exercises can configure which ones are included to some extent online help version 2 0 is out soon mac and dos versions will be based on this cost 29 95 if support via compuserve or internet otherwise 39 95 site license for 3 or more copies is 20 00 each note prices may have gone up for v2 0 comments i have had a play with this and it works ok its user interface design is much better in 2 0 though still a bit unusual expensive tool around and it does the job it is also the only tool with a redistributable demo so if you do get the demo post it on your local bulletin boards ftp servers and bitnet servers does not include general info on rsi and ergonomics but it does have the ability to step backward in the exercise sequence which is good for repeating the most helpful exercises tool typewatch freeware version 3 8 october 1992 available from email to richardd hoskyns co uk anonymous ftp soda berkeley edu pub typing injury typewatch shar platforms unix tested on sco sunos mach character and x window mode description this is a shell script that runs in the background and warns you to stop typing based on how long you have been continuously typing it does not provide exercises but it does check that you really do take a break and tells you when you can start typing again typewatch now tells you how many minutes you have been typing today each time it warns you which is useful so you know how much you really type it also logs information to a file that you can analyse or simply print out the warning message appears on your screen in character mode in a pop up window for x windows or as a zephyr message for those with athena stuff tim freeman tsf cs cmu edu has put in a lot of bug fixes extra features and support for x zephyr and mach not formally supported but email richardd hoskyns co uk for sco sunos character mode or tsf cs cmu edu for mach x window mode zephyr if you have problems or want to give feedback tool various calendar batch queue programs available from various sources platforms various description any calendar reminder program that warns you of an upcoming appointment can be turned into an ad hoc rsi management tool or any batch queue submission program that lets you submit a program to run at a specific time to display a message to the screen using windows as an example create a calendar file and include this filename in your win inis load line so you get it on every startup of windows suppose you want to have breaks every 30 minutes starting from 9 am press f7 special time to enter an appointment enter 9 30 hit enter and type some text in saying what the break is for then press f5 to set an alarm on this entry and repeat for the next appointment by using windows recorder you can record the keystrokes that set up breaks throughout a day in a rec file put this file on your run line as above and you will then with a single keypress be able to set up your daily appointments with rsi exercises the above method should be adaptable to most calendar programs an example using batch jobs would be to submit a simple job that runs at 9 30 am and warns you to take a break this will depend a lot on your operating system while these approaches are not ideal they are a good way of forcing yourself to take a break if you cant get hold of a suitable rsi management tool if you are techie enough you might want to write a version of typewatch see above for your operating system using batch jobs or whatever fits best tool digital watches with count down timers available from various sources e g casio bp 100 description many digital watches have timers that count down from a settable number of minutes they usually reset easily to that number either manually or automatically while these are a very basic tool they are very useful if you are writing reading driving or doing anything away from a computer which can still cause or aggravate rsi the great advantage is that they remind you to break from whatever you are doing comments my own experience was that cutting down a lot on my typing led to my writing a lot more and still reading as much as ever which actually aggravated the rsi in my right arm though the left arm improved getting a count down timer watch has been very useful on some occasions where i write a lot in a day i have tried an old fashioned hour glass type egg timer but these are not much good because they do not give an audible warning of the end of the time period keyboard remapping tools these enable you to change your keyboard mapping so you can type one handedly or with a different two handed layout one handed typing tools may help but be very careful about how you use them if you keep the same overall typing workload you are simply doubling your hand use for the hand that you use for typing and may therefore make matters worse tool hsh public domain available from anonymous ftp soda berkeley edu pub typing injury hsh shar platforms unix dont know which ones description allows one handed typing and other general keyboard remappings only works through ttys so you can use it with a terminal or an xterm but not most x programs tool dvorak keyboard tools various available from anonymous ftp soda berkeley edu pub typing injury xdvorak c also built into windows 3 x description the dvorak keyboard apparently uses a more rational layout that involves more balanced hand use it may help prevent rsi a bit but you can also use it if you have rsi since it will slow down your typing a lot dan wallach one of the most attractive features of a connection dwallach cs berkeley edu machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces office 510 642 9585 of its cabinet cm paris ref manual v6 0 p48 medicine water supplies vulnerable to milwaukee type disease outbreak here is a press release from the natural resources defense council new data show about 100 major u s water supplies vulnerable to milwaukee type disease outbreak to national desk environment writer contact erik olson or sarah silver 202 783 7800 both of the natural resources defense council washington april 14 internal epa data released today by the natural resources defense council reveals that about 100 large water systems serving cities from boston to san francisco do not filter to remove disease carrying organisms leaving those communities potentially vulnerable to a disease outbreak similar to the one affecting milwaukee the epa list is attached these internal epa documents reveal that the safety of water supplies in many american cities is threatened by inadequate pollution controls or filtration said erik olson a senior attorney with nrdc water contamination isnt just a problem in bangladesh its also a problem in bozeman and boston as of june 29 1993 about 100 large surface water systems on epas list probably will be breaking the law the 1986 safe drinking water act requires all surface water systems to either filter their water or fully protect the rivers or lakes they use from pollution olson continued some systems are moving towards eventually implementing filtration systems but are expected to miss the laws deadline olson pointed out that the threat of contamination is already a reality in other cities a 1991 survey of 66 u s surface water systems by water utility scientists found that 87 percent of raw water samples contained the milwaukee organism cryptosporidium and 81 percent contained a similar parasite called giardia adding to the level of concern a general accounting office study released today by house health and environment subcommittee chairman henry waxman indicates serious deficiencies in the nations system for conducting and following through on sanitary surveys of water systems this new information raises a huge warning sign that millions of americans can no longer simply turn on their taps and be assured that their water is safe to drink we must immediately put into place programs to protect water sources from contamination and where this is not assured filtration equipment must be installed to protect the public olson noted the time has come for many of the nations water utilities to stop dragging their feet and to aggressively protect their water from contamination consumers are prepared to pay the modest costs needed to assure their water is safe to drink nrdc is a national non profit environmental advocacy organization systems epa indicates require filtration 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marie marquette marquette montana butte butte water co bozeman bozeman city california san francisco city county of san fran nevada reno westpac idaho twin falls twin falls city washington aberdeen aberdeen water dept centralia centralia water dept 30 nigel allen toronto ontario canada ndallen r node hub org guns re impeach clinton reno i heartily agree now that the batf warrant has been unsealed it is clear that clinton and reno supported an illegal raid did they not know this no authority for a no knock raid no authority to use helicopters no authority to search for a drug lab and apparently not even any authority to search for automatic weapons 51 days of government lies sorry i missed all this can you please give an update on the warrant i hadnt heard that it was unsealed there was no authority for a no knock this is news how about an ok for a wiretap please summarize guns re ban all firearms firearms tend to fall into this low dollar pound area it would not be economic to smuggle them in all production would have to be local there are not all that many people who have both the skill and motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch high ranking crime figures could obtain imported uzis and such but the average person and average thug would be lucky to get a zip gun and would pay through the nose for it this is not borne out of reality the old soviet union had a very serious domestic handgun and submachinegun trade guns that were of commercial grade because they were produced in honest to goodness machineshops why would all production have to be local dont we have a road system that is the envy of the world i seem to recall incidents in the past where chinese entreprenaurs attempted to smuggle ak 47s semi autos into this country to get around import number limitations may have been gunweek where i read that years ago any person with high school drafting skills and vocational school machineshop training could produce a submachinegun you talk about the average person not being able get even a zip gun well now think of all that private cnc controlled machinery that is not being used for 3 shifts a day do you think that if guns were being sold on the black market for say 150 an enterprising mechanical engineer could be using that machinery to produce workable submachineguns for sale after all gunweek had an article and pictures on how batf was looking for the manufacturer of quite efficient silencers that were of commercial quality and finish look at it this way 25 of the u s households have a handgun say at least half of those keep one for self defense you are talking a potential market of of tens of millions of people who would seek firearms for the purpose of self preservation only a fool would believe that market would not be filled regardless of government prohibitions medicine re centi and milli pedes i remember as a kid visiting my relatives on kauai and one of the things that really frightened me was centipedes id been told they were poisonous and infrequently one would pop up and scare the heck out of me once one came out of the vacuum cleaner and it seemed like it was at least a foot long and moving at 35 miles an hour baseball cubs mailing list is there anyone out there running a chicago national league ballclub list if so please send me information on it to andrew aardvark ucs uoknor edu thanks o chihuahua charlie ou is not responsible o o academic user services for anything anywhere o o the university of oklahoma except for that one o o andrew aardvark ucs uoknor edu incident where 200 o o o baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr20 025331 17413 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes not at all i am talking about morris winning with toronto last year you are about to launch into a fantasy about the red jays and how toronto would have done with viola on their team viola didnt play for toronto last year morris did the problem with your nihilistic approach roger is that it takes all the sense out of the game by your line of reasoning if a guy hits into a double play with one out and the bases loaded theres no point in saying that that was a bad thing to do if his team won anyway or speculating on what might have happened if things had gone otherwise so the double play is merely an event that happened in the course of a game that was eventually won or lost for unknown reasons after all any speculation involves constructing a fantasy about what would have happened but didnt roger do you ever worry that the next pencil you drop will fall to the ceiling instead or are you willing to consider empirical evidence teams go to the post season when they win more games than anybody else in their division if they dont make the post season they dont win the series will you agree that winning a division is a useful intermediate goal in ring collecting if so you must agree that winning games is a useful intermediate goal towards winning the division and our disagreements come when we consider how to win games in your viewpoint as expressed winning games happens for reasons that cannot be analyzed while many of us are thinking things like base runners are good outs are bad and therefore walks are better than double plays with the bases loaded you are thinking things like its a team game so perhaps the double play will cause some mysterious team dynamics that will cause the team to win today the result is that it becomes impossible to say anything about individual players perhaps atlanta would have won the series with me playing left field after all perhaps in some way my knowledge and personality would have helped the team more than my complete lack of skill would have hurt it therefore i could be an extremely valuable player did dave winfield have anything to do with the jays victory probably but how do you know if you replace him with andres galarraga perhaps the jays would have won perhaps they would have lost perhaps they would have defected to alpha centauri bearing in mind that the flying saucers would not have landed in mid season had winfield been dhing for toronto was babe ruth a good player he played on some ws winning teams but did he have anything to do with their success it is generally accepted that ernie banks was a good baseball player and jarvis brown and dan schatzeder werent it seems to me that anybody who would deny this needs to provide the proof now we have observed things about baseball over the years both empirically and by looking at the rulebook it is necessary to score more runs than ones opponent to win the game so it would seem important to score runs and to prevent ones opponent from scoring runs are scored while a team is batting and an inning ends after the third out so it would seem that making outs is bad while hitting home runs is good players have tendencies to hit or pitch at certain levels and these are usually somewhat consistent from year to year we do use these statistics to predict winners and so do you to make some flat predictions barry bonds will have a higher obp slg than gene larkin this year the braves will finish ahead of the rockies in the standings the tigers will score more runs than the royals but will also give up more i would be astonished if any of these turned out to be false and i suspect so would you as a matter of fact i am pretty sure i can predict all the division winners this year given 3 4 guesses per division and this is certainly better than random chance and almost statistically significant if you will admit that the rockies and mariners are unlikely to meet in the world series you must admit that there is some sort of way to measure likelihoods however fuzzy it is impossible for all other things to be equal so your fantasy is totally meaningless so how about real life person a robs a service station with two people in it using a 38 automatic pistol gets 42 and is convicted and sentenced for three years person b with a similar criminal record robs a service station with two people in it using a 38 revolver gets 42 and is convicted since they used two different types of handgun are comparisons totally meaningless say you drop a pencil to see if the gravity still works my cats are always testing this they dont trust me to pay the gravity bill on time you have never dropped a pencil at that exact time of the century before so all previous evidence is meaningless or would you be surprised if it flew out the window instead of hitting the desk david thornley who has no replica world series rings but does have tickets to the 1992 world series in the metrodome religion re abortion and private health insurance in 1qid8s ik0 agate berkeley edu dzkriz ocf berkeley edu dennis kriz writes i recently have become aware that my health insurance includes coverage for abortion i strongly oppose abortion for reasons of conscience it disturbs me deeply to know that my premiums may be being used to pay for that which i sincerely believe is murder i would like to request that i be exempted from abortion coverage with my health premiums reduced accordingly i share denniss outrage over a similar manner i have recently become aware that my health insurance includes coverage for illness and injuries suffered by christians it disturbs me deeply to know that my premiums may be used to pay for that which i sincerely believe is divine punishment for their sinful conduct in addition these folks are able to avail themselves of such alternative therapies as lourdes fatima morris cerullo benny hinn etc in any case as jesus saves i feel that there is no reason for them to be covering their bets at my expense i would like to request that i be exempted from christian coverage with my health premiums reduced accordingly jack carroll cars re what car is this in 1r3n32innk9p ctron news ctron com smith ctron com lawrence c smith writes in article 1993apr21 032905 29286 reed edu rseymour reed edu robert seymour writes in article 1993apr20 174246 14375 wam umd edu lerxst wam umd edu wheres my thing writes it was called a bricklin bricklins were manufactured in the 70s with engines from ford waitaminnit didnt the bricklin have an pugeot six cylinder or am i confusing it with the delorean i was sure the delorean had a v8 the delorean used the peugot renault volvo v6 in a rear engine configuration the bricklin use some merkin iron in a front engine rear drive configuration steve valin steve sgi com ive just had my brain washed and i cant do a thing with it baseball re yankkes 1 game closer in article 1993apr6 233805 29755 freenet carleton ca aa649 freenet carleton ca ralph timmerman writes from aa649 freenet carleton ca ralph timmerman subject re yankkes 1 game closer date tue 6 apr 1993 23 38 05 gmt in a previous article 002251w axe acadiau ca jason walter works says the n y yankees are now one game closer to the a l east pennant they clobbered cleveland 9 1 on a fine pitching performance by key and two homeruns by tartabull first m l baseball to go out this season and a three run homer by nokes for all of you who didnt pick boggs in your pools tough break he had a couple hits and drove in a couple runs with many more to follow the yanks beat an up and coming team of youngsters in the indians the yankees only need to win 95 more games to get the division go yanks mattingly for g glove and mvp and abbot for cy young jason does that mean we have to read this drivel another 95 times this season please spare us and check you facts before you post ralph timmerman there is no life after baseball aa649 freenet carleton ca no one says you have to read any of it ralph go play in traffic or take a nap they work for me kevin kerr kkerr mkcase1 dseg ti com president north texas c programmers users group bbs 214 442 0223 go yankees go dolphins strolling through cyberspace sniffing the electric wind guns re raid justification was blast them next time rick bressler bressler iftccu ca boeing com wrote forgot to leave in his quote source what happened in waco is not the fault of the batf if they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened the batf is a part of the dept of treasury not justice if they needed to assault a place they could just do like the irs does call in the federal marshalls service their fugitive collection teams do similar type assaults all the time and they are very very good about it in both the tactical and legal parts of it but i suspect that the marshalls would not have touched it because the search warrant which is still sealed i believe was so bogus besides the batf also could have gotton swat teams from federal marshalls service fbi secret service national park service texas rangers nearby large city police forces the military but they had to use their own guys nobody elses swat team was good enough for the holy cause of gun control i also find the timing of the raid to be extremely interesting initial raid two days before the nj senate was going to overturn their assault weapon confiscation law a couple weeks before the batfs budget was going to come up in congress for review shortly after reno got confirmed as ag i dont need to remind you about her anti gun line right around the presidents 100th day in office as a wise man once said once is happenstance twice is coincidence three times is enemy action i dont believe that these four things are conincidental do you food for thought dale farmer cars super mega automobile sighting s exotics together alright beat this automobile sighting driving along just a hair north of atlanta i noticed an old run down former car dealership which appeared to deal with and repair older rare or exotic foreign sports cars i saw ford gt 40 the famous model from ford that seemed to win most of its races in the late 60s including le mans 4 or 6 times two jensen interceptors one a convertable one a hatchback porsche 911 boring compared to the rest three ferarries a mondial a 308 prepared for racing and a red 60s model that i couldnt identify and at the bottom a late 70s mg convertable outside there was a rotting rover 3500 saloon which was never regularly sold in the u s and in the showroom there was a small italian body either an alpha romeo or a lancia it was about the size of an austin mini the trunklid was missing exposing a boot with a voltage regulator in the upper left corner of the wall and a chunk of metal removed from the floor on the right hand side as if something would leave the trunk and go to the outside from here the taillights looked like they would be the round type if they were there does anyone know what the make of this one is certainly made my day graham e thomas blah blah blah blah blah georgia institute of technology blah blah blah blah blah internet grahamt oit gatech edu blah blah blah blah blah medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1rcfj2innmds roundup crhc uiuc edu mary uicsl csl uiuc edu mary e allison writes which was why i started checking every time i got sick and every time i got sick msg was somehow involved in one of the food products which points up the studies made by amateurs did you also check every time you did not get sick no you say why not check every thing you eat when you dont get sick and find out how much msg youre actually consuming all thats needed now is that final step a double blind study done on humans there isnt even an ethical question about possible harm as this is a widely used and approved food additive but some say that only 2 of the population has a problem with msg some say its more like 20 but lets say that its 5 how many people would have to be tested that would have a problem also i know i have a problem with it and i wouldnt volunteer for a test if you knew enough about what the test was about to decide that you didnt want to participate because it involved msg youdve already made yourself ineligible since msg is detectable by taste how can anybody be so clueless as to what double blind studies are all about carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey i understand vaxen and vms thats what i get paid for my understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level or below so unless what im saying is directly related to vax vms dont hold me or my organization responsible for it if it is related to vax vms you can try to hold me responsible for it but my organization had nothing to do with it cars re 6700 for hail damage a record in article 1993apr19 235711 7285 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes my 90 integra was hit hard in the 3 25 hailstorm in austin tx the insurance company cut me a check for 6600 100 deductible last week is this a record anybody else had settlements from the same hailstorm yet craig rumor has it that a guy at dell computer had his miata totalled so that would be about 10k john steczkowski stecz pencom com the constitution grants you the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness it does not attempt to guarantee that everyone will be happy cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time well you young fellers wont remember but we used to have side vent front windows until some damn bean counter scrapped them these were separate triangular windows at the leading edge of the front doors that pivoted outward at the rear edge worked like a charm yeah i loved the vent windows on my 82 escort hell the only thing i liked about the car one of the things id like to see brought back does anyone know if theyre an option on the new escorts trh cars re info opinions wanted on cars in this article in article 1993apr13 182100 26650 magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article 49071 fibercom com rrg rtp fibercom com rhonda gaines writes im in the market for a new car currently i own a 90 mazda mx 6 dx which has served me just fine however id like to get a 4 door car since i dont relish the thought of moving a carseat around in a 2 door car my criteria are 4 door a c am fm cassette quick acceleration cruise control decent rear seat legroom my husband is a 6 footer it must also be under 20k preferably closer to the 11 15k range which will probably rule out the accord the 93 cars that have caught my eye are toyota corolla toyata camry mazda 626 pontiac grand am pontiac grand prix honda accord and civic if its roomy enough and still comes in a 4 door model hyundai sonata and maybe even a small oldsmobile although not the achieva all opinions benchmarks recommendations etc are welcome i really wouldnt consider the grand am achevia skylark all the same since they are very bad in frontal collsions and dont have any other really outstanding qualities john i really must object to that last statement having a lot of experience with a 92 grand am coupe i can firmly state that they do have a lot of outstanding qualities very reliable throughout great layout of controls and components very roomy considering the exterior size of the car they look sharp inside and out the v6 that i drive has exceptional power and drivability compared to other similar cars that i have driven all in all its a fun to drive dependable and reasonably priced vehicle please dont knock it with a statement like that unless you back it up with specific reasons why you feel that way rob bell plains nodak edu john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasnt it the black adder religion re whos next mormons and jews isaac kuo saackuo spam berkeley edu writes in article 93109 231733isscck byuvm bitnet casper c knies isscck byuvm b gedaliah friedenberg friedenb maple egr msu edu writes as a latter day saint i found johns statement not at all ludicrous please allow me to explain myself in 1838 the governor of missouri governor boggs issued his so called mormon extermination order the only crime illegal activity the latter day saints had committed was their religious affiliation their anti slave stance missouri still allowed slave practices and their growing numbers influence in missouri i guess the mormons got what they deserved because they refused to bow to the will of corrupt and evil secular authorities this disobedience brought upon them persecution murder and finally forced expulsion from their lands and settlements it is significant to remember that these secular positions were held by average people and that at the time almost all americans were pretty homogeonously christian it was largely the mainstream christians disgust at such practices as polygamy which resulted in their irrational hatred true but that is exactly the problem the mormon extermination order was issued not just by a christian it was allowed under the constitution of the united states which was instituted precisely to prevent incidents like this order from occurring in the first place as i indicated in an earlier posting your irrational hatred is clearly evidenced by individuals like robert weiss who could have been gov boggs lieutenant he would have fitted right in drewling et al and seems a modern day occurrence based on results slander persecution misrepresentation lies denying mormons representation in their own user group etc etc in intent and purpose what really has changed the situation is not entirely different today many irrational feelings and beliefs are justified through religion i dont think most of them are started because of religion but religion certainly helps justify and perpetuate prejudices and practices by providing a neat justification which discourages critical thought true as evidenced by numerous examples as i am sure youre aware in any regard mormon history alone indicates that secular authorities and i dont even discuss how uthans were suckered into allowing part of their lands in becoming nerve gas and atomic bomb testing grounds is far from being trusted or righteous have things really changed for the better i may be a born cynic but i have no reason whatsoever that such has been the case in the early 1980s i believe the late president kimball lds church leader strongly protested federal attempts to locate the mx peace keeper missile maze from being built in utah yet another inspired decision from secular authorities fortunately his opposition was influential enough for the feds to back off do you mean that the secular authorities are some continuous group of people with the common and uninterrupted goal of harrassing eradicating the mormons do you honestly believe that the main reason for using utah for nuclear testing etc was to get them thar mormons and what about the majority of uthans who arent mormons you seem to be searching for enemy correction the majority of utahns are mormon 60 70 i believe up to a 100 in many cities and settlements throughout the western states conspiracies it is paranoid to believe that everything that affects you badly must have been done primarily for that purpose what i mean is that secular authorities are to be watched as we believe that satan has been given some power and dominion over the earth to divert truth judgment and justice in addition we believe that the adversary has power to influence the unjust and idolatrous greed for money would be a good example in order to bring about persecution war oppression and evil combinations as an intelligent being dont you suppose that the destroyer would yield his influence foremost on those with political power as far as utah is concerned what i pointed out were some horrible examples of environmental nightmares imposed upon by secular authorities which have brought death disease i e the downwinders and environmental contami nation i am hardly paranoid i am just not expecting too much from a secular government that may not share our values and faith and which indeed as gov boggs et al may be out to harm and destroy us as a matter of fact prophecies in my church indicate that in future years global persecution against mormons will so increase in intensity and scope that paraphrasing all those who wish to escape persecution and murder must flee to zion zion the pure in heart will be re established in those days and it aint our current secular authorities who will rule over it david koresh did not pose a great threat to the federal authorities or the security of this nation and with john i too wonder who or whats next i personally feel that we should try to stop anyone who is a threat to the life of even one person sure he did not pose a threat to the security of this nation but he did pose a threat to the lives of his followers that much is definite hmmm definite by whom until such has been established beyond reason able doubt this alleged threat may have been less than the threat imposed upon him and his followers by the batf and fbi who killed who what constitutional right did the atf officers have to invade upon private land and to force themselves into the compound what really caused the murder of the little children could it be that the atf fbi presence has any bearing upon the events how would you interpret the mt masada events blame the jews what the heck did the romans do there anyway what business did the atf fbi has in waco texas the branch davidians never posed any threat to society this is like asking who really caused the deaths of the israeli olympic team in 1976 in that case the police botched the job as well but to lay a heavier burden on them than the terrorists would be a terrible mistake i think the same sort of reasoning applies in this case certainly if david koresh chose any peaceful option the atf and fbi would have complied the responsibility is more his than the authorities come now at issue is in how much the authorities escalated an otherwise peaceful stand off lets get it over with and force david koresh to come out by gassing them were they naive or what they played right into the hands of an apocalyptic thinking individual he had prepared his people for this eventuality for years and not one firetruck or plan was in place to deal with this scenario i feel that the authorities had some responsibility to protect their own citizens even if they were religious zealots and guilty of not paying a 200 gun license has the batf become an extension of the local tax collectors david koresh no doubt will be described as the evil guy by the executioners while the actions of all those valiant and brave officers characterizing the atf fbi as executioners is inaccurate and unfair in order to be an executioner the least one must have done is have the intent to kill que intrusion into private property with semis loaded with life ammunition isnt that implicit intent or at least prepared to kill i ask you would the batf warrant stand up in a civil court of justice i do not mind if criminals such as dangerous drug lords are brought to justice but escalating events to the point of allowing to if not compli city with the destruction of a people isaac kuo isaackuo math berkeley edu how lucky you english are to find the toilet so amusing o for us it is a mundane and functional item for you the basis of an entire culture manfred von richtofen casper c knies isscck byuvm bitnet brigham young university isscck vm byu edu ucs computer facilities windows re challenge to microsoft supporters jenk microsoft com jen kilmer writes much bs deleted for brevity again my point was that not all microsofties are here to sell readers on our products which would conflict with the no ads philosophy of usenet nor do we necessarily have access to info that others have it certainly smacks of that remember the poll that you quoted saying that you had seen a 95 of users being satisfied with dos 6 0 care to recall how unbiased the sample set was that post sure looked like fud and coming from a microsoftie well it sure seemed like something was not on level advocacy is good but spreading fud to advocate your favorite os is very unethical especially when you have a vested interest in the success of that os i also get tired of people assuming that microsofties are like members of the borg that is because their actions seem to invite this opinion never seen more defensive people in my life moreover many of their posts seem to encourage this too imho seriously speaking it is a shame that ms techie employees get the heat for mss actions most of which are perpetrated by the management and marketing i am sure that they are very talented etc i have not doubts about their abilities just about the ethics of their marketing practices divya divya live long and then die a slow and horrible death what confucius wanted to say windows re ghostscript for win fonts servis author ecn purdue edu brian k servis writes thats me i just downloaded the windows ghostscript package gswin252 zip gs252ini zip from ftp when i load a ps file it says it cant find font and substitutes a font called ugly it is substituting for basic fonts such as helv and cour i would imagine that these fonts are included in its font library is there something i am doing wrong or am missing these ugly fonts are not very clear and well defined as in sharpness etc basically they are ugly any advice is welcome ok i realize i have to get the font files from some ftp site i found them at cica but i now have another question are the 24 zip fonts compatible with gswin252 please email brian servis servis author ecn purdue edu it happened this way actual quotes from insurance claims what i say may not be what i think what i say may not be the pedestrian had no idea which what purdue thinks way to go so i ran him over windows re how do i quickly switch between windows screen resolutions in article c5qlr8 djl cbnewsl cb att com slg slgsun att com the idealistic cynic writes can someone out there tell me how to switch windows screen resolution quickly and easily i know that i can go back into install to do it but what id really like is to have is the ability to just change a couple of startup or configuration files and have the resolution changed i already have both video drivers that i need on my system so that isnt a problem thanks sean sean l gilley sean l gilley att com use this address all others bounce 614 236 5031 h 614 860 5743 w there is a shareware program called v switch zip i dont remember if it is on wuarchive wustl edu or on ftp cica indiana edu it is easy to use and does the job with no problem eric ebosco us oracle com medicine re iridology any credence to it iridology is descendant from a 19th century theory which mapped certain diseases to sectors of the iris of the eye theres enough natural variation in color that a skilled examiner can find indicators of virtually any disease modern scientists consider it to be complete bunk windows re win nt what is it somewhere in this thread it has been said that windows nt tm is a multi user os as well as multi threading etc i certainly havent seen this to be the case there are seperate accounts for each person and even seperate directories if that is desired i dont see an implentation of simultaneuos use though scott scott reimert reimert mamacass etdesg trw com standard disclaimer redondo beach ca blah blah blah always store beer in a cool dark place guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5sv88 hjy news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes in article 1r1j3n 4t transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1r19tp 5em bigboote wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas do you eat all your food cold ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves very popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially brent the feds turned off the bds electricity a couple of weeks ago perhaps you havent been paying attention to the radio tv or newspapers though some things are too important not to give away to everybody else and have none left for yourself dieter the car salesman religion re silence is concurance in article 9157 blue cis pitt edu joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin writes for those missing the context of this thrilling discussion between jim and i jim wrote the following to me in e mail after i pointed out hate to shatter your self image of perfection that you appear to hold but your language is wrong jim and me i pointed out that i did in fact agree that both robert weiss and jim meritt took quotes out of context hence i find it difficult to understand why jim thinks i am a hypocrite needless to say i dont have time to reply to every article on t r m that takes a quote out of context of course not just the ones you disagree with q e d so according to you jim the only way to criticize one person for taking a quote out of context without being a hypocrite is to post a response to every person on t r m who takes a quote out of context jim replied by saying did i either ask or assert that but today we find four articles from jim one of which has the subject so as of then and pointing out a specific instance wrongo again is it not the case that in the eyes of the law when someone is aware of something and has the capability of taking action and does not that individual may be held responsible for that action which is of course a complete red herring taking quotes out of context isnt a crime i dont have time to read every article on t r m and im certainly under no obligation to reply to them all so check the newsgroups does silence is concurrence imply that jim thinks that because i didnt respond to weiss articles i must condone weiss taking quotes out of context jim doesnt want to give a direct answer to this question read what he has written and decide for yourself telepathy again you claim to know what i want but back to the context of my conversation with jim jims next gambit was to claim that he was using inductive logic when he concluded that i was being a hypocrite i challenged him to provide the details of that logic that led him to an incorrect conclusion no you asked specifically what was wrong with yours today we find another obscure article posting it twice didnt help maybe to the ignorant i accept your classification more red herrings could jim mean that he has read an uncountably large number of my articles do you know what uncountably large means it does not appear so could jim mean that because i axed his articles but not weiss articles he wants to conclude inductively well i cant see where he is going with this i am not suprised but i can help him with his induction ive written roughly 80 that does not appear to be the case the appearance of your argument is more like that captain kirk would have gotten from mr spock written by a stagehand at paramount think hard about this jim see the pattern think harder run it through your induction engine and see what pops out of course you appear arrogant so i already had figured that out baseball re yankee thoughts in 1993apr20 154542 147196 clam com sam steamer clam com sam mandelbaum writes 2 wade boggs i live in boston and like wade a lot but his career is winding down and i would rather see the yanks start to develop a long term solution i e hensley muelins russ davis velarde besides wade just doesnt have any range what a shame about charlie hayes huh actually according to the da information posted by sherri boggs is superior defensively to have heres their defensive averages for the last five years compared to average at 3b al 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 boggs 643 2 659 47 550 54 653 33 634 32 hayes 601 40 622 18 606 14 574 28 if hayes is a defensive standout at third hes done a good job in disguising it to put it another way compared to an average third baseman last year boggs converted 11 more grounders into outs turned 2 more double plays and prevented 11 doubles hayes let 12 more grounders go by for hits turned 6 more double plays and prevented 4 doubles dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball windows questions about dos external join command i am setting up my dos unix box on a 116m ide and a 412m scsi drive and was wondering about the use of the ms dos 5 0 join command i like the way it sets things up since i wont have to stick with the c d e crap that dos enforces i like how it would mimic mount points of unix filesystems i have heard that there were problems with using it or at least under older versions of dos please tell leopard hyperion com i dont work for hyperion i just live here steeven m vawter telephone 408 737 7932 svawter raynet com work 415 324 7256 unix sys admin windows in need of help ok i have a problem that i thought you guys gals might know about im running a 286dx 25 with a 85mb hdd i also have windows 3 1 but hardly any dos application will run out it also when i do a mem command it says that i have used up 58kb out of 640kb of conventional memory zero from upper level memory and all 385kb of my ems memory and to top it off i cant load any device drivers into upper memory do i just need more memory also why would it use up ems memory instead of upper memory please reply by e mail only to wes1574 tamvenus tamu edu bill scrivener its not the first time that you texas a m university sleep with a woman that matters college station texas but the first time email wes1574 tamvenus tamu edu you wake up with her baseball re mo sanford in article 1993apr3 045040 10480 ra msstate edu js1 jazz cc msstate edu jiann ming su writes does any know if mo sanford rockies pitcher got cut he use to be with the reds but was drafted in the expansion draft i believe he was sent down to aaa baseball re rockies spoon feed game to mets is it just me or does bichette look totally lost in the outfield he misplayed martinez fly out into a double against the expos misplayed alous single into a triple alou tagged out at 3rd after over sliding the bag and now he misplays another out into a 3 run triple add in his wonderful batting average and we have one heck of a player don boell baseball giants win the pennant giants win the pennant giants win the pennant gi ooops i guess im a little early here see you in october windows dde frustrations can you help i am starting to work on a project using dde to transfer data the application came with an excel macro which can transfer the data i need to port it to 1 2 3w 1 2 3w uses a very different setup for dde macros does anyone have any suggestions as to good references i have downloaded ww01117 windows dynamic exchange dde the ms application note any books worth getting the specifics are server application dionex ai 450 chromatography data system client application 1 2 3 for windows v1 1 except for the macro dionex did not provide any documentation for dde also i am having problems because i am trying to develop the application on my pc but to actually get data you need to be connect to the instrument any help here would be appreciated too thanks leon m olszewski nothing is worse than having an itch you can internet leono uiuc edu never scratch leon bladerunner windows re need windows logo in article 1qjqed 1ft access digex net holland access digex com brian holland writes markus maier s maier m rzmain rz uni ulm de wrote hi well im searching for the ms windows logo u know the picture when u start windows in some suitable grafics format like gif or jpg c windows system vgalogo rle if my memory serves me correctly rle is a compressed bmp format an is readable by wingif paintshop pro paint and god knows how many other programs mike mattix agricultural group of monsanto p o box 174 luling la 70070 internet address dmmatt bigez monsanto com baseball re braves update in article 13591 news duke edu fls keynes econ duke edu forrest smith writes argument over reasonable players and umpires deleted incidentally a reasonable home plate umpire would not have been so resistant to seeking the appeal to the first base umpire as gant requested if the home plate umpire had appealed to first the first base umpire could have wrung up the strike and gant would not have been so upset if the call had been a ball and the catcher had requested the appeal it is likely the home plate umpire would have asked for the help yes but the baseball rules say you can only appeal a ball and not a strike there was no decision made by the umpire regarding an appeal once he called it a strike the call could not be changed i thought that the umpire did the right thing pablo iglesias pi ruth ece jhu edu cars some taurus misc maint 4 are there any fairly cheap 150 or so ways to increase the performance on this car unfortunately a taurus is not exactly a muscle car so im looking for ways to increase the performance there is a company in florida that sells computer chips that supposedly get a few hp and torque out of the 3 0 dont have the address but saw the ad in hot rod and some other car magazines also you could open up the exhaust get an exhaust with a larger i d hope this helps if you find anything else let me know ive got a 1990 taurus l george howell george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org baseball re opinions on eli denny show so thats what happened to denny mclain sad for those of you who are interested another baseball pariah pete rose has a weekday radio show on the sports and entertainment national radio network i think its 3 5 pm locally 6 8 pm on the east coast and actually his on air monologues about the baseball business sounds a lot more reasonable and articulate than what i hear from the ray knights of the world greg mockingbird franklin interracial mixing encompasses a lot lot more f67709907 ccit arizona edu than mingling between g7 races robohen stodgy things argument by an inept speaker ignorant sermonizing a drinking bout without hors doeuvres a dried up sword sheath held together by threads questioning by a boy favorite about ones other affairs inumakura the dog pillow windows pc tcp onpredir with windows hello we are having troubles using the pc tcp onpredir printer redirection program with lpr support with the windows print manager the onpredir simply waits an do only the capture till the end of the windows session while after some printer inactivity it should start the printing does anybody uses this two programs together thanks zsolt zsolt bagoly dept of atomic physics eotvos university budapest hungary e mail zsolt hercules elte hu eltenet bagoly ludens elte hu eltenet internet guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors ccdarg dct ac uk alan greig writes or the cultists i think ill quote the bbc quoting actually voice interview one of the two british survivors he claimed that the fire started when the tanks caused an internal wooden wall roof to collapse knocking over kerosene lamps and that they had no suicide plan if the fbi started the fire why didn t people flee the burning building james dusek baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr20 051540 1367 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes in 1993apr20 030713 1715 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes on the contrary its statistically impaired opinionated little assholes like yourself who while springing up all over the continent like some dirty virus are diligently working at destroying the glory of sport cordially as always maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time heheheheh sorry roger i wronged you youre not boring all the time this one is a classic cordially as always hehehehehhe are you a jerk do people hate you are you no fun at parties well come to the roger maynard school of cordiality we can teach you to be cordial with the best of them use such time honored cordiality techniques as 1 calling people assholes 2 comparing them to viruses for advanced students 3 comparing them to dirty viruses what is a dirty virus and how can you tell it from a clean one we know and here at the roger maynard school of cordiality we can teach you to know too heheheh thanks roger this made my evening tom baseball bosox go down in smoke ii seattle 7 0 oh yea and chris bosio pitched a no hitter one over the minimum two bases on ball in the first inning one runner left 95 pitches i listened to the game on radio and listening to dave niehaus call the game was a real treat as long as they keep ron fairly quite i doubt if anyone is better than niehaus but that fairly guy is really annoying me but i guess if clemens or viola had been pitching it would have been a different story two shutouts in two nights against the hottest best hitting team in major league baseball pretty impressive in any league man if johnson bosio and hanson keep going the mariners could be a really interesting team to follow this year also john cummings rookie has had three solid outings with no support if fleming comes back this may be the best starting staff in the american league this year relief is another story though grimace too cool the first no hitter that i have been able to follow from start to end and again i think niehaus will win some kind of award for the way he called the game the guy is truly a joy to listen to he deserves a pennant race kent dietz twins in 93 mariners if only they were an nl team follow medicine re great post was re candida yeast bloom very long in article turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes i hope gordon banks did not mean to imply that notions such as hard to see candida infections causing various problems should not be investigated many researchers have made breakthroughs by figuring out how to investigate things that were previously thought virtually impossible to test for indeed i would be surprised if candida overbloom were such a phenomena i would think that candida would produce signature byproducts whose measure would then set a lower bound on the extent of recent infection i realize this might get quite tricky and difficult probably expensive and likely inconvenient or uncomfortable to the subjects but that is not the same as virtually impossible i recall reading in the recently revised edition of the yeast connection that there is indeed work by researchers to do this of course they are working on the theory that candida overbloom with penetration into mucus membrane tissue with associated mild inflammatory response can and does occur in a large number of people if you reject this yeast hypothesis then id guess youd view this research as one more wasteful and quixotic endeavor stay tuned jon noring charter member infj club if youre dying to know what infj means be brave e mail me ill send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 freds gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone 510 294 8153 chips worlds best livermore ca 94550 v mail 510 417 4101 who are you read alt psychology personality thats where the action is guns re whos next mormons and jews in article 1993apr20 003522 22480 midway uchicago edu thf2 midway uchicago edu writes in article 1qvfik 6rf usenet ins cwru edu cj195 cleveland freenet edu john w redelfs writes now that big brother has rubbed out one minority religion in waco who is next the mormons or jews the koreshians rubbed themselves out neither mormons nor jews have a propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene so im not particularly concerned or shall we blame jim jones on the government also lets see if i have this straight a law is created that says you can not have a automatic weapon and therefore its ok for the government to use any level of force to enforce that law doesnt matter if the entire population of the planet is destroyed as long as that law is obeyed do i read you correctly guns re waco survivors 1715 19 april in article 22apr199317092767 zeus tamu edu mst4298 zeus tamu edu mitchell s todd writes david koreshs lawyer seemed to think that everyone would come out peacefully sooner or later the fbi and atf had nothing but time on their hands why did they have to escalate the situation and cause this senseless tragedy their job is to protect the public and save lives not kill people for crying out loud koresh had lied and lied and lied about coming out of the compound to the fbi to his lawyer to just about everyone i keep hearing this but every assertion of this form has come from government sources except two as far as i am concerned i am not ready to stipulate that koresh ever promised to come out except for his first promise and his last promise the first promise was conditional on his audio tape being given national exposure well it never was it was broadcast locally in a chopped up fashion and thats all and even then they cleverly cut it off when it got to the part where he demanded national exposure but not so cleverly that we didnt hear it the last promise was conditional on the finishing of his manuscript well never know if he would have kept that one the fbi etc cant wait forever for koresh to come out as long as they thought that koreshs intended to surrender peacefully when they lost hope in that they decided to go in strangely enough the previous day they said they were prepared to wait as long as it takes further while the mondays tactics were silly and clumsy they were obviously intended to drive the davidians out of the compound not to kill koresh and his followers quite possible but arguments of intent do not mark the dividing line between guilt and innocence only the line between murder and negligent manslaughter if it is true i read in the paper that the government listening devices inside the compound picked up orders to burn the joint down shortly before the fire was started im waiting to see what the tapes really hold this would be an interesting development the davidian may be telling the truth or he may be lying to save his skin from possible murder charges resulting from the blaze koreshs lawyer being the attorney for at least one surviving davidian has an interest in claiming that the govt caused the fire at least as much as the govt has an interest in blaming koresh for the fire its the physical evidence that will decide whos telling what its too tempting for one or more of the survivors to go states evidence parrot the fbi story hang the whole suicide on koresh claim they only stayed at gunpoint etc if any of them do this in the next few weeks it doesnt prove much but if none of them do it would be a strong indication to me that the fbi story is dead wrong cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet baseball re braves offense in article 1993apr23 010423 11050 news acns nwu edu rsavage casbah acns nwu edu michael bornhorst writes ive been a braves fan for as long as ive been watching baseball almost 12 years now i say that just tp preface what im about to post this braves team is made up of slow starters people are amazed that the braves arent hitting dont be they werent hitting last year at this time nor were they the year before they had slow aprils and mays in the 1991 and 1992 seasons and yet they still managed to go to the series in those years well this team is no different so why should we be suprised at their slow start they started that way for the past two years and theyll be that way until the richmond club makes it to the majors judge their offense in june or july when things start to average out im just happy that the reds have gotten off to such a poor start the giants always do well in the early part of the season but theyll be out of the race by july just like the last few years unless bonds developes a knuckelball their staff will get rocked by mid june wow you really know how to hurt a guy guess i shouldnt bother watching any more games its already been decided luigi randy palermo luigi csd sgi com fax 415 961 6502 silicon graphics computer systems 2011 n shoreline blvd mt view ca 94039 play an accordion go to jail thats the law medicine re glutamate in article 1qrsr6 d59 access digex net kfl access digex com keith f lynch writes in article lso15qinnkpr news bbn com sher bbn com lawrence d sher writes from the n e j med editorial the dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate is not only an essential amino acid glutamate is not an essential amino acid people can survive quite well without ever eating any there is no contradiction here it is essential in the sense that your body needs it it is non essential in the sense that your body can produce enough of it without supplement jason chen baseball re the all time greats team in article 1993apr14 203122 12367 iscsvax uni edu reed5575 iscsvax uni edu writes dave winfields name does not go in the same sentence as aaron robinson and ott in terms of peak and i repeat peak years winfield has done it all he has batted in the 340s for a season drove in 100 and more runs many times in a row before his injury consistently hit at or near 300 while knocking in 35 home runs have you even looked at dave winfields slugging percentage for three or 4 of his best seasons i still think that dave was one of the better of all time but obviously not the best he was one of the best athletes evr to play baseball he hit line drives that hit the scoreboard in left center field a feat np one has done in the new stadium heck only 2 or 3 other people have hit it over that green fence since it has been remodeled he could field had a bullet arm and his hitting was comparable in many seasons to gary sheffields and barry bonds of last season he is older now and slowing down takes more of an uppercut to lift the ball out of the park but he will always be my hero and my idol there is nothing that could make me happier than george inviting dave back to the bronx to play his last year of ball with the yankees of course he will most likely refuse the offer but who knows for 3 million dollars hell play heck they are giving gallego 2 5 million this year having dave as their dh while leaving him time to play the field when tartabull is injured or nokes and mass are traded should give the yanks the inspiration and leadership that will sweep in a new age of yankee domination michael lurie medicine re need info on rsd in article 1993mar27 004627 21258 rmtc central sun com lrd rmtc central sun com writes i just started working for a rehabilitation hospital and have seen rsd come up as a diagnosis several times what exactly is rsd and what is the nature of it if there is a faq on this subject id really appreciate it if someone would mail it to me while any and all reflex sympathetic dystrophy im sure theres an faq as i have made at least 10 answers to questions on it in the last year or so gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon baseball re wounded redbirds in article 1 acad drake edu sbp002 acad drake edu writes does anyone know the status of jeffries or arocha arocha broke his finger trying to field a ground ball he was put on the dl after the game and may require surgery i dony know about jefferies baseball candlestick hey folks saw the giants play ball at the stick saturday april 17 it was the game where pendelton broke up the scoreless tie in the ninth with a two out two run homer to right to win it it wasnt the game where the fans threw the give away fotoballs onto the field in response to the homer too bad huh well the stick is still cold the saturday game ended at 5 45pm and it was cold then i cant imagine night games in april at the stick the wind kicked up a little too and i got this idea at most games theres a pile of hot dog wrappers and cups and trash on the field a lot of the time i propose a kids clean up corps composed mainly of 10 12 year old kids who would love nothing better than to run out on the field in the fifth inning when the guy in the toro smooths the infield and grab the trash it might not be glamorous but at that age i probably would have given anything to be on the field with the ballplayers everybody wins here whaddaya think sean guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article c5tomp 24o news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes and another survivor claims he heard someone shouting the fires started odd terminology thats what one says when you know a fire is planned not when one occurs by accident its also what you say when youre waiting for the end to come in a fiery apocalypse just a thought personally if the fire was set by either side i wonder about the timing if koresh co set the fires why wait through six hours of wall bashing and tear gassing before starting was there anything new that happened just around that point similarly if the fbi were going to torch the place and fake it of course why wait so long wouldnt it be more reasonable to believe the bds would set the fire early after the assault began the most plausible to me explaination is that of an accidental starting of the fire by the tanks among other things i say that because i was listening to the radio when the fire started and the reporter watching from a distance of course said that it looked like at least one of the tanks had penetrated farther into the building than previously specifically he said that one tank apparently was halfway half of the tanks lenght into the building where it previously had only been penetrating a few feet reserving judgement aaron windows re what does the bmp format mean in article robertsa 735922084 unix2 tcd ie robertsa unix2 tcd ie andrew l roberts writes what exactly does the windows bitmap format look like i mean how is the data stored width height no of colours bitmap data i couldnt find anything in ths user manual is there any other reference material which would give me this information thanks andrew well this is only a guess if it goes by the true meaning of bit map then it holds x y c where x pixel number in th ex direction y pixel number in the y dir c colour pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd religion re rw is robert weiss the only orthodox christian in article 1993apr23 170101 19708 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 wrote no i also understand it i have read the bible from cover to cover examining each book within cross comparing them etc and i have come to same conclusions as robert weiss so rick why not read the bible for yourself it is written in plain english decide for yourself im curious to know if christians ever read books based on critique on the religion classical text such as age of reason by paine or the myth maker by jacobi sometimes it is good to know your enemy and if you want to do serious research you have to understand both sides and not solely the one and only right one cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net baseball re players rushed to majors in article 1993apr15 145753 21557 holos0 uucp lbr holos0 uucp len reed writes in article c5hq3o g4p tss com hanson tss com hanson loo writes didnt bob horner go straight from arizona state univ to the atlanta braves i remember he had one great month hitting dingers and then the next i heard he was in japan a month well he did have a short career compared to what one might have expected for such a highly touted prospect due to being injury prone overweight and having no work ethic but he certainly did not suffer from being rushed to the bigs sorry len this is exactly how he suffered from being rushed to the bigs being overweight and having no work ethic leading to being injury prone with nothing to loose might have been corrected in richmond did you intend a smiley after your comment this brings back the long suffering memories of pre chop braves fans who kept being promised the bob horner dale murphy back to back power slam who could stop that guess well never know p s rocky fans are there any yet is dale getting any playing time out there i plan to be at the game on june 28th theyll have to play him then read that to memory and process it russell earnest georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp allegra amd hplabs seismo ut ngp gatech prism re4 arpa russell earnest housing gatech edu cars fast idle on 88 ford ranger it did it again this morning my 88 ford ranger was idling at 10 000 rpm ok so i exaggerated a little but it was idling very fast it has a 2 liter carburated engine in it and no blipping of the throttle would cause the idle to drop back to normal i dont think the linkage is stuck what can i do to fix this problem this has been a problem from time to time but has straightened itself out until now i dont have a tach but by gauging by the sound of the engine it is idling about twice as fast as it should be this is down from what it was idling at when i pulled up at a stop light many thanks for any suggestions les les bartel im going to live forever intergraph corporation or die trying electronics division ljbartel ingr com or ljbartel naomi b23b ingr com 205 730 8537 medicine seek sedative information has any one heard of a sedative called rhoepnol made by larouche i believe any info as to side effects or equivalent tranquillizers thanks this will just take a minute im 90 done it worked on my machine religion re rw is robert weiss the only orthodox christian in article c5vgyd h7s acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsd cc buffalo edu robert weiss says orthodox is a compound word it comes from orthos straight true right and from doxa opinion doctrine teaching i use orthodox to refer to right teaching right teaching is derived from letting god speak to us through the bible this can be from reading simple truths in the scriptures and by using the bible to interpret the bible thanks for the etymology lesson but i actually know what orthodox means youre avoiding my question however which was from what body of theology does your version of orthodoxy come you seem to simply be saying that whatever you understand the bible to say is orthodox ra who is that holds that luke meant what you said he meant i think that it is apparent from reading the scriptures that are pertinent you are obviously mistaken since many many people have read the bible and many do not agree with you on this point once again robert is your interpretation the only correct or orthodox one ra whenever your personal interpretation of biblical passages is ra challenged your only response seems to be that one needs merely to ra look at the bible in order to see the truth but what of those who ra see biblical things differently from you i seem to be seeing from you the notion that any difference in how one views the bible is somehow legitimate except or course for the stuff that i glean from it put forward a contrary view and perhaps we can have a discussion on that topic but to decry something that i put forward without putting forward something else to discuss and to dismiss what i put forward while giving credence to other alleged views that have yet to be put forward is simply being contentious this whole string began as a response to your attacks on mormonism no one is attacking your personal beliefs only your tendency to present them as orthodoxy i dont much care what you believe about the bible just dont present you personal understanding as the only orthodox one ra are we to simply assume that you are the only one who really ra understands it if you believe that something that i have drawn from scripture is wrong then please show me from scripture where it is wrong simply stating that there are other views is not a proof show it to me from scripture and then we can go on i have never attacked your specific beliefs thats your approach remember stating that other people who depend solely on the bible have other views is indeed proof that the bible can be interpreted many ways which has been my whole point all along the specifics of your belief are your business just dont pretend that they are anything more than your personal intepretation and be careful about crying heresy based on your private belief system robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu rick anderson librba byuvm bitnet cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time dumbest options well here in the uk bmw offer a no smokers option it just means they take the fag lighter out big deal btw i just bought a honda crx f1 its neat did consider an mr2 targa mx5 you guys call it miata but that crx just one my heart with that body kit and 8 spokes ps is richard out there somewhere windows re changing windows fonts in a previous article ellard2 husc8 harvard edu daniel ellard says a friend of mine uses windows 3 1 to do most of her work unfortunately she has very bad eyesight and we havent been able to figure out how to change the default font used by the system and application menus or the font used by the help program what use is hypertext if you cant read it to make it legible to her if anyone knows how to increase the size of these fonts of any software package that makes windows more accessible to visually handicapped people please let me know thanks dan the may issue of pc computing page 246 has a windows hint and tips for just this thing you have to edit the win ini file and add a couple of lines i tried it and it works i actually made my title bar and iconized text and icon text smaller on my monitor it works well you can select a larger font also you edit the win ini file with a font name in your system directory read the article because i would not want to retype it here in case i type errored and caused your system problems c ya artin this communication is sent by artin university of arizona tucson ak333 cleveland freenet edu mlinsenb ccit arizona edu mlinsenb arizvms death has been dead for about 2 000 years follow the king of kings windows workspace manager for win 3 1 are there any workspace managers out there for windows 3 1 by a workspace manager i mean something like the hp apollo workstations have multiple workspaces under x there is a window at the bottom of the screen which allows you to select different workspaces it overcomes the problem of having stacks of windows open on the one screen instead you can spread them amongst different workspaces which act like independent screens and you can flick between them thanks in advance medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in an article jon noring writes in article rind enterprise bih harvard edu david rind writes do you believe that any quacks exist how about quack diagnoses is true focus of the medical profession the ama and the boards should focus on these quacks instead of devoting unbelievable energy on search and destroy missions to pull the licenses of those doctors who are trying non traditional or not fully accepted treatments for their desperate patients that traditional accepted medicine cannot help if i prescribe itraconazole for a patients sinusitis neither the ama fda state licensing board nor abfp will be knocking on my door to ask why this is a specious argument on their backs and pee pee on themselves in obedience what do they teach you in medical school how to throw your authority around among other things how to evaluate new theories and treatments let me put it another way to make my point clear quack is a nebulous word lacking in any precision its sole use is to obfuscate the issues at hand funny i thought it meant one who fraudulently misrepresents his ability and experience in the diagnosis and treatment of disease or the effects to be achieved by the treatment he offers dorlands 27th certainly more precision than conveyed by chronic yeast the indiscriminate use of this word is a sure sign of incompetency and coming from any medical doctor or wanna be where competency is expected is real scary the inability to discriminate between fraudulent or erroneous representations is far more frightening it is fraud to promote a treatment where the evidence for it is either lacking or against it and the quacksalver knows so or error if the honest practitioner doesnt know so failure to speak out against either bespeaks incompetency p s may i suggest seriously that if the doctors and wanna be doctors on the net who refuse to have an open mind on alternative treatments and theories such as the yeast theory should create your own moderated group may i reply seriously that if the practitioners and proponents of non scientific medicine have left their minds so open that the parts of their brains that do critical evaluation have fallen out they should learn to edit their newsgroup headers to conform to the existing hierarchy and divisions john angelo gnassi lab of computer science jgnassi hstbme mit edu massachusetts general hospital eternal student boston massachusetts usa the earth be spanned connected by a network walt whitman medicine re glutamate in article 1993apr18 163212 9577 walter bellcore com jchen wind bellcore com jason chen writes there is no contradiction here it is essential in the sense that your body needs it it is non essential in the sense that your body can produce enough of it without supplement and when youre in a technical discussion of amino acids its the latter definition thats used almost universally carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey i understand vaxen and vms thats what i get paid for my understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level or below so unless what im saying is directly related to vax vms dont hold me or my organization responsible for it if it is related to vax vms you can try to hold me responsible for it but my organization had nothing to do with it cars re auto air conditioning without freon in article 1993apr22 195519 11104 convex com tobias convex com allen tobias writes better still years ago they demonstrated a cold air system which only used air it was called a rovax the unit worked very well the short coming was the seal technology where is it today actually the company and the product was rovac which stood for rotary air conditioning it used a rotary compressor with what was effectively an air air heat exchanger and worked pretty well the negatives were mostly that it was about 5 10 less efficient than using freon and noise problems from the high velocity pressure air all of which were solved by the time the company went bankrupt it is still a legal entity in florida but i believe completely dead and theres a heck of an opurtunity to buy up its patents and restart the operation alan l peterman 503 684 1984 hm work al qiclab scn rain com its odd how as i get older the days are longer but the years are shorter cars seeking recommendations for new car purchase folks i am going to be purchasing a new vehicle in the next few months i am trying to hold out until the fall since i have heard that i can be in a better negotiating position to purchase a 93 right when the 94s are coming out i need something that can comfortably carry 2 adults 2 kids in car seats and 2 60 pound dogs i can probably afford something in the 14k 16k range i am interested in the suvs but am not sure there are any that are decent which i can afford i think the ford explorer got good reviews from consumer reports but is above my range the isuzu rodeo is probably in my price range but i think consumer reports gave it a big thumbs down can anyone offer any suggestions i am hoping for something a little more hip than the traditional wagon and the suvs look like fun we do a lot of camping too veek cars re car buying story was christ another dealer service scam from article 1993apr16 162950 25849 newsgate sps mot com by markm bigfoot sps mot com mark monninger this kind of behavior is what i was shocked by in my experience for crying out loud how do these turkeys think they can talk to customers this way and still stay in business again i dont expect sales people to bow scrape and grovel in my presence but i sure dont expect to be abused either i was very surprised by the way the sales people talked to me and in other negotiating sessions i overheard in neighboring sales cubicles evidently their success rate is high enough that they continue to do business this way there must be a lot of people out there who are easy to intimidate a couple of months ago i went to a dealership to test drive a car afterwards we sat down to discuss prices i explained that i wanted a car just like the one i drove but in a different color he said he could get one exactly like i wanted from the dealer network within a day we then negotiated a price and signed the deal next day i get a call he explains that they goofed and they had neglected to take into account a price increase the last price increase had occurred over 4 months prior to my visit if i still wanted the car i would have to fork over another 700 as an alternative they would honor the price if i bought the car i test drove which had been sitting around for 6 months and had a few miles on it i said goodbye this was a good example of how they can lowball you and still cover their butts its too bad more people dont demand honesty or these types of dealers would no longer be in business the next dealership i went to was straightforward and honest first thing the salesman said was letss see what you have for dealer cost and work out how much profit i should make the deal went through with no problems steve guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news jim de arras jmd cube handheld com wrote last year the us suffered almost 10 000 wrongful or accidental deaths by handguns alone fbi statistics in the same year the uk suffered 35 such deaths scotland yard statistics the population of the uk is about 1 5 that of the us 10 000 35 5 weighted for population the us has 57x as many handgun related deaths as the uk and no the brits dont make up for this by murdering 57x as many people with baseball bats you just cant compare this way all homicides must be shown per capita not just handguns the availability of them in the usa makes them the preferred murder weapon but ban them and some other weapon will step in as the favorite as a favorite sure as lethal not likely a study of violence in chicago produced this table percentage of reported gun and knife attacks resulting in death weapon deaths as percentage of attacks knives 16 518 total attacks 2 4 guns 6 350 total attacks 12 2 source firearms and violence in american life it might be contended that if gun murderers were deprived of guns that they would find a way to kill as often with knives if this were so knife attacks in cities where guns were widely used in homicide would be expected to show a low fatality rate and knife attacks in cities where guns were not so widely used like vancouver would show a higher fatality rate but the natl commission on the causes and prevention of violence task force analyzed the data and found this not to be the case it appeared to them that as the number of knife attacks increased in relation to the number of firearms attacks which presumably happened where guns were less available to assailants the proportion of fatal knife attacks did not increase relative to the proportion of gun attacks in fact the reverse was true what was found was that most homicides did not show a determination on the part of the assailant to kill fatalities caused by knife tended to show a single mindedness on the part of the assailant to do grave physical injury multiple stabs wounds wounds concentrated about the head neck and chest etc most gun homicides did not show this pattern rather more fatal attacks were committed during a moment of rage and not the focused intent to kill the victim source report on firearms and violence then since england usa my ancestors left because of the oppression you must compare england before strict gun laws to england after strict gun laws to be able to draw any meaning at all england has essentially legalized drugs so there are no drug gangs battling for turf etc there if you drop out the drug related killings here the usa would look a whole lot more peaceful there are a lot of factors which make a difference actually im not fond of making any kind of social parallels between europeans and americans there are more cultural beahvioral and economic differences between us than similarities i just sort of found myself backed into that corner over the last couple of weeks i dont think we could ever attain the low levels of european violent crime here in the us whether we banned guns or required every law abiding citizen to carry a loaded uzi on the other hand we can draw lessons from neighbors who are more culturally similar namely the canadians in fact an exhaustive seven year study has already been done of the respective crime rates of vancouver british columbia and seattle washington cities with roughly the same population urban economy geography and crime but with decidedly different approaches to gun control in seattle handguns may be purchased legally for self defense after a 30 day waiting period a permit can be obtained to carry a concealed weapon the recreational use of handguns is minimally restricted in vancouver self defense is not considered a valid or legal reason to purchase a handgun concealed weapons are not permitted recreational uses of handguns target shooting collecting are regulated by the province purchase of a handgun requires a restricted weapons permit a permit to carry may be obtained in order to transport the weapon to licensed shooting clubs handguns transported by vehicle must be stored in the trunk in a locked box in short gun control but not unreasonably so both cities aggressively enforce their gun laws convictions for gun related offenses carry similar penalties the researchers studied all cases of robbery assault simple and aggravated burglary and homicides occurring in seattle and vancouver from 1 1 80 to 12 31 86 in defining the cases they used the same standard the fbis unified crime report results during the seven year study the annual rate of robbery in seattle was found to be only slightly higher than that in vancouver 1 09 1 11 burglaries occurred at nearly identical rates 99 18 925 assaults were recorded in seattle versus 12 034 in vancouver the risk of being a victim of a simple assault in seattle was found to be only slightly higher than vancouver 1 18 1 15 and the risk of aggravated assault was also slightly higher 1 16 1 12 however when aggravated assaults were subdivided by weapon and the mechanism of assault a clear pattern emerged although both cities reported nearly identical rates of aggravated assault involving knives and other dangerous weapons firearms were far more likely to be used in seattle in fact 7 7 times as often over the seven year study 388 homicides occurred in seattle 11 3 per 100 000 vs 204 homicides in vancouver 6 9 per 100 000 after adjustment for differences in age and sex among the populations the relative risk of being a victim of homicide in seattle as compared to vancouver was found to be 1 63 when homicides were subdivided by the mechanism of death the rate of homicide by knives and other weapons excluding firearms in seattle was found to be almost identical to that in vancouver virtually all of the increased risk of death in seattle was due to a more than fivefold higher rate of homicide by firearms handguns accounted for roughly 85 of homicides involving firearms handguns were 4 8 times more likely to be used in homicides in seattle than in vancouver the authors of the report also investigated legally justifiable homicides self defense only 32 such homicides occurred during the seven year study 11 of which were committed by police only 21 cases of civilians acting in self defense occurrred 17 in seattle and 4 in vancouver only 13 involved firearms after excluding these cases there was virtually no impact on these earlier findings this is i feel a very fair report one might even make the argument that it is biased against canada as a whole because vancouver reports annual rates of homicide two to three times that of ottawa calgary and toronto while seattle reports annual homicide rates only half to two thirds that of nyc chicago los angeles and houston critics of handgun control always argue that limited legal access to handguns will have little effect on the rates of homicide because persons intent on killing others will only try harder to acquire a gun or will kill by other means this report shows differently if the rate of homicide in a community were influenced more by the strength of intent than by the availability of weapons we could expect the rate of homicides by weapons other than guns to be higher in vancouver than in seattle however during the study interval vancouvers rate of homicide by weapons other than guns was not significantly higher than that in seattle suggesting that few would be assailants switched to homicide by other methods as well ready access to handguns for self defense by law abiding citizens was not endorsed in this report although seattle did experience a higher rate of firearm death for self defense these cases accounted for less than 4 of the homicides in both cities during the course of the study period and as was reported seattle apparently didnt enjoy relief from any crime category over vancouver because citizens may legally arm themselves for self defense heavily quoted source handgun regulation crime assaults and homicide a tale of two cities john h sloan arthur l kellerman donald t reay james a ferris thomas koepsall frederick p rivara charles rice laurel gray and james logerfo stephen manes manes magpie linknet com manes and associates new york ny usa o o baseball atas n l games 8 2 8 5 standings of all philadelphia at chicago teams tied for 1st after sunday dick redding battled chet brewer in the first game of a dramatic four game series one friday one saturday and a good old sunday doubleheader what could be better declared ernie banks perhaps the fact that the cubs are challenging its pitching its always been pitching that weve lacked announced ryne sandberg if we can get by brewer then beat carlton alexander or bunning preferrably 2 of the last three well know we might be able to win lord i hope we pull it off the phils scored once in the top of the first richie ashburn singled pete rose followed with a hit sending ashburn around second kiki cuyler cut the ball off in left center and threw a bullet in to ernie banks who threw to ron santo to get ashburn at third rose went to second on the play christobel torrienti lifted a long fly to center moving pete rose to third schmidt was walked the cubs were absolutely refusing to let him beat them both torrienti and schmidt will likely draw 130 150 walks this year chuck klein is starting to hit very well and he lashed a double into a gap in right center cool papa bells speed allowed him to cut the ball off and prevent schmidt from scoring nellie fox was walked and bob boone grounded out to second ending the threat teams are starting to realize that you dont have to pitch to schmidt or torrienti and that is lowering their run total it puts a lot of pressure on klein and dick allen who platoons with chuck klein and occasionally spells rose at first and its a credit to the phillies that theyve been able to sustain their pace the picthers have slumped at times so came the analysis from frank chance the cubs got that run back when bell bunted for a hit thomas grounder moved him to second and after sandberg made out billy williams singled home a run in the sixth ron santo launched a two run homer to make it 3 1 dick redding got in trouble in the eighth as schmidt singled and klein singled him to third ed reulbach entered to face fox but dick allen popped out of the dugout to hit allen doubled to right but luckily for the cubs williams had moved to left and andre dawson had been inserted for defense he fired a bullet to home plate to keep klein at third lance parrish hitting for boone was walked and bruce sutter entered larry bowa grounded into a 1 2 3 double play but ed delahanty walked as a pinch hitter desiring a strikeout since ashburn was likely to attempt a bunt hit with the quick trillo pinch running at third chance brought in lee smith who induced a pop up to the catcher from the speedy centerfielder ending the inning the cubs took the win 3 2 moving a game behind the phillies steve carlton was called upon to battle 3 finger brown saturday to get another righthander in the lineup ron santo moved to first and bill madlock played third unfortunately brown allowed six doubles and the cub bullpen was worn down even more as the cubs tried to maintain a lead against lefty madlock batting sixth had knocked two doubles of his own driving home four runs gabby hartnett hit two home runs and cuyler added another and the score was 8 6 cubs after six innings the phillie bullpen had more troubles in the bottom of the eighth as the cubs grabbed 3 more runs to ice an 11 7 triumph sundays twin bill saw cool papa bell gather seven straight hits at one point including a rare outside the park home run in the second game off robin roberts grover alexander of the phils took the first contest 4 2 but the cubs captured the second one 5 4 with waddell gaining the win bruce sutter tossed two innings for the save though he allowed one run in the eighth the cardinals stood half a game behind these co leaders and would conclude their series with the expos on monday montreal at st louis august 3 6 3 way tie for 1st dennis martinez is on a roll and he continued it versus john tudor friday the expos have a wide variety of hitters and while they arent among the all time greats they are getting the job done after winning their first first two games they suddenly found themselves only 2 1 2 games out of first in this wacky season martinez triumphed 5 3 on friday and williams outdueled dizzy dean 3 2 saturday however the cardinals refused to give up winning 6 2 on sunday the cards captured mondays game too as steve carlton outdueled steve rogers 3 2 were really good against ground ball pitchers because of our team speed remarked lou brock i dont see why we cant win this division the phillies and cubs may have some reasons for them two thirds of the way through the season there is a 3 way tie for first new york at pittsburgh august 3 6 3 straight 3 2 wins for bucs now 2 back but in 4th when your team is in a slump like we are the worst thing is to play in a pitchers park like this spoke gil hodges before the series keith hernandez added that their defense takes away quite a few runs per year and it must be giving them an extra 6 7 wins the pirates have made only 26 errors all season 6 ahead of the second place dodgers error totals tend to be around 50 for the best defensive all time teams rube foster defeated sid fernandez 5 2 friday and candelaria outshone seaver 3 2 saturday in a game featuring some outstanding defense when nolan ryan and two relivers 6 hit the mets in another 3 2 win sunday the pirates could once again look forward to a victory getting them back to the 500 mark they had been unable to several times in the past month bert blyleven met dwight gooden in the afternoon game both pitchers possessed fantastic stuff and the only runs scored through eight innings were on home runs a solo shot by rusty staub of the mets and a two run blast by ralph kiner for the pirates the mets darryl strawberry singled home a run in the top of the ninth off jesse orosco working his second inning after mookie wilson pinch ran for gary carter at second with one out and a runner on first lee mazilli was sent in to pinch hit the pirates countered with kent tekulve placing him in the fifth spot in the order and putting barry bonds in left field as the ninth place hitter tekulve induced a groundout forcing strawberry at second he slid hard into honus wagner preventing the pirates from turning their fifth double play of the afternoon tekulve allowed a hit but clemente threw mazilli out at third from near the right field line ending the inning tug mcgraw relieved randy myers who entered to pitch the eighth and got one out before bonds launched a rocket to deep center running through the stop sign at third to score an inside the park homer to win the pirates had scored an improbable 3 straight 3 2 wins and had moved to within 2 games of first place with seven weeks to go san francisco at boswaukta august 3 5 another sunday doubleheader appeared on the schedule as the giants managed to close the gap on the other teams thanks to some starting pitching that just wouldnt tire in fact reported manager john mcgraw once this rough part of the schedule is over maybe as early as this coming week we may shift to a 4 man rotation again for a little while juan marichal continued his hot pitching friday beating lew burdette and the braves 4 1 willie mays had all four r b i s on 3 hits rick reuschel faced joe niekro saturday in a slugfest the braves park had been a homer haven but this took the cake as the giants won a seesaw affair 16 13 willie mays had three homers willie mccovey eddie matthews and don baylor had two and hank aaron ernie lombardi biz mackey and mel ott had one each the braves had collected 149 home runs going into sundays doubleheader putting them on a pace for 223 which would be 4 short of the national league record they were still a tad behind the 61 yankees pace they had allowed over 120 though vida blue actually got the win after retiring 2 batters in the fifth he allowed only a run in the sixth but faltered in the seventh joe mcginnity earned the save in the doubleheader the braves hoyt wilhelm failed to hold a lead in the first game but hank aaron homered off bill foster in the eighth as the braves won 4 3 the giants took the second game however by a 6 2 score the homer by aaron was a magical 150 by the braves however they fell to three game below 500 making a comeback extremely unlikely san diego at cincinnati aug 3 5 randy jones faced ewell blackwell in the first of this 3 game series and the padres felt rather good with don mattingly straining his back in the last cleveland game the trade looked even better mcgriffs batting average was even rising of course the bench was very poor and joe gordon was only adequate in the outfield but these were minor problems since the pitching was holding up jones pitched a good game friday and won 6 3 mcgriff launched two home runs mel harder earned a win with the help of mark davis and ray narleski saturday 5 4 was the final score tom candiotti battled satchel paige to a 3 3 tie through eight innings before departing the game was scoreless for 4 more innings until the thirteenth paige had departed after 10 and john franco hurled a scoreless inning tom browning was working his second scoreless inning when dave winfield doubled with one out and joe gordon was pitched around thurm munson doubled both runners home and the padres gamed a 5 3 win the three game sweep had pulled the giants into a tie with the reds though the reds denied it the highly emotional series with the dodgers may have taken too much out of them brookangeles at houston august 3 5 another series capped off by a weekend doubleheader took place in the wide open plains of the astrodome the astros sent joe niekro to the hill in the first game opposite don drysdale normally drysdale remarked i would be challenging hitter by being ready to throw at them i cant afford to with this team though we have to get our own runners going we cant afford to let the astros beat us he then winked and said well maybe davis will get decked once the fact that glenn davis leads the team in homers with six is primarily why he would be decked but it should be understood that his current pace would give him nine for the season the hitting on this team is a little better but the power is all doubles and triples still carl furillo is the main reason no astro home runs were hit over the weekend as he threw two runners out trying for inside the park homers for those unaware of the nastness of the astros park they have a 23 foot high gray wall all around the outfield balls must be hit into the seats to be home runs the foul poles are 355 feet from home plate but the alleys are 400 feet away with center field at 420 feet its as if some three year old threw a tantrum and told his playmates if i cant hit home runs nobody will hit home runs remarked roy campanella the dodgers stole five bases friday but the astros decided to revitalize the baltimore chopping that had failed 6 weeks before for tonight anyway davis jim wynn and jose cruz did not have to mess with their swings according to the manager after poles and willie wells reached base via the baltimore chop drysdale decked jose cruz with a pitch he responded with a two run double but wynn playing first for davis popped up and the astros didnt score any more in that inning they did score 3 in the fourth to erase a 3 2 deficit and the astros wound up winning 6 4 they threatened to do even better the next game as tommy john would be their opponent walt alston met privately with the starters at 6 a m before the game i think i know how we can beat the baltimore chop he explained how can we do that pee wee reese wondered theyre going to be beating the ball down so weve got to be ready to throw on the run steve will start at first to dig balls out of the dirt but i want all of you to practice your barehanded picks and throws well go with a shallow infield almost the whole time the plan almost worked mike scott allowed only two runs through eight innings but the astros got three two of them scored when bill doran pushed a bunt into the outfield in the fourth with runners on second and third 3 2 astros was the final with dave smith earning another save the dodgers scored a victory in the first game of the twin bill sunday as nolan ryan walked five three of whom scored in a 4 1 dodger win fernando valenzuela lost the second game 4 2 to don sutton however as the dodgers thirteen stolen bases in the series proved to not be enough were mostly a power team remarked ron cey jackie and when he plays maury wills are our only real speed demons though a couple other plays can do it now and then were sunk in a place like the astrodome i guess thats why theyre so successful there indeed it seems that basestealing teams give them the most trouble in the dome the stros swiped 12 bases in 16 attempts giving them 230 on the season standings after these weekend series a l east team w l gb new york 68 42 cleveland 65 46 3 5 detroit 64 46 4 boston 64 47 4 5 baltimore 59 52 9 5 toronto 43 69 25 5 washington 39 73 28 a l west oaksaselphia 63 48 minnesota 61 48 1 chicago 59 53 4 5 kansas city 57 54 6 5 california 57 56 8 milwaukee 45 66 17 seattle 32 78 31 5 n l east chicago 57 53 philadelphia 58 54 st louis 58 54 pittsburgh 56 56 2 montreal 53 56 3 5 new york 48 64 10 n l west brookangeles 66 46 cincinnati 66 47 0 5 san francisco 65 46 0 5 boswaukta 54 56 11 houston 50 61 17 5 san diego 36 75 29 5 doug fowler dxf12 po cwru edu me age 4 now mommys and daddys other ever wonder if after casey relatives have to give lots of hugs love missed the 3rd strike in the poem support cause heaven is just a great he ran to first and made it big hug that lasts forever and ever medicine re med school john carey jcarey news weeg uiowa edu wrote actually i am entering vet school next year but the question is relevant for med students too memorizing large amounts has never been my strong point academically since this is a major portion of medical education anatomy histology pathology pharmacology are for the most part mass memorization i am a little concerned as i am sure most med students are can anyone suggest techniques for this type of memorization i have had reasonable success with nemonics and memory tricks like thinking up little stories to associate unrelated things but i have never applied them to large amounts of data has anyone had luck with any particular books memory systems or cheap software can you suggest any helpful organizational techniques being an older student who returned to school this year organization another one of my weak points has been a major help to my success please no griping about how all you have to do is learn the material conceptually i have no problem with that it is one of my strong points but you cant get around the fact that much of medicine is rote memorization thanks for your help the only suggestion i can think of off the top of my head is get a large supply of index cards and memorize small amounts of info at a time making flash cards and quesitons everytime i get a question wrong i always manage to get the damn thing right the next time felix the cat 0 0 the wonderful wonderful cat meow hoss panix com guns re reno fascist dog in article 1993apr23 010640 4583 news columbia edu pgf5 cunixb cc columbia edu peter garfiel freeman writes janet reno should be lauded for her decision to attack the compound of the davidians i mean the last thing we need in this country is more gun toting hicks who want to end the world i think atf the us marshalls the fbi and local police forces should make a concerted effort to rid us of the scourge of rebellious freaks welch eine wonne welch ein leiden pete while dedicating the holocaust memorial museum president clinton remarked the evil represented in this museum is incontestable but as we are its witness so must we remain its adversary in the world in which we live so we must stop the fabricators of history and the bullies as well clinton made this comment shortly after giving janet reno the go ahead to hastily construct a gas chamber and crematorium in waco on the fiftieth anniversary of the warsaw uprising say wasnt monday also the anniversary of paul reveres ride is that a clue joe gaut in the super state it really does not f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter at all what actually happened remember the alamo truth is what the government chooses to remember waco tell you justice is what it wants to happen jim garrison new orleans la medicine xanax please provide info i am currently doing a group research project on the drug xanax i would be exponentially gracious to receive any and all information you could provide me regarding its usage history mechanism of reaction side effects and other pertinent information i dont care how long or how short your response is thanks in advance brent e shelley windows re challenge to microsoft supporters kenton shaver ks3l andrew cmu edu writes lets see what ms products dont have major bugs in them oh but the fifth release the bugs are generally cleared up even if their generally the second or third major release usually takes care of it my advice based on plenty of personal experience is to never buy the first version of anything from microsoft this includes major version number upgrades from previous releases such as microsoft c 6 00 always wait at least for the a upgrade or slipstream upgrade if youre going to buy it san francisco is like granola take away the fruits and the nuts and all you have left are the flakes medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article nodrog hardy u washington edu gordon rubenfeld writes marty youve also changed the terrain of the discussion from empiric itraconazole for undocumented chronic fungal sinusitis with systemic hypersensitivity symptoms noring syndrome to the yoghurt and vitamin therapy of undocumented candida enteritis elaine palmer syndrome with systemic symptoms there is significant difference between the cost and risk of these two empiric therapeutic trials are we talking about real candida infections the whole yeast connection hypothesis the efficacy of routine bacterial repopulation in humans or the ability of anecdotally effective therapies challenged by a negative randomized trial to confirm an etiologic hypothesis post hoc ergo propter hoc we cant seem to focus in on a disease a therapy or a hypothesis under discussion im lost point 1 im beginning to see that part of the disagreements about the whole yeast issue is on differing perceptions and on differing meanings of words medical doctors have a very specific and specialized jargon necessary for precise communication within their field which im fully cognizant of since i too speak jargonese when with my peers for the situation in sci med many times the words or phrases used by doctors can have a different and more specific meaning than the same word used in the world at large causing significant miscommunication one example word and very relevant to the yeast discussion is the exact meaning of systemic it is now obvious to me that the meaning of this word is very specific much more so than its meaning to a non doctor there is also the observation of this newsgroup that both doctors and non doctors come together on essentially equal terms which when combined with the jargon issue can further fan the flames this is probably the first time that practicing doctors get really beat up by non doctors for their views on medicine which they otherwise dont see much of in their practice except for the occasional difficult patient point 2 i understand the viewpoint among many practicing doctors that they will not prescribe any treatments therapies for their patients unless such treatments have been shown to be effective and the risks understood from well constructed clinical trials usually double blind or that such treatments therapies are part of an approved and funded clinical trial to these doctors to do any differently would in this belief system be unethical practice and it follows that any therapy not on the accepted list is therefore a non therapy it does not even exist nor does the underlying hypothesis or theory have any validity even if it sounds very plausible by extrapolation of what is currently known anecdotal evidence has no value either from a treatment point of view and by and large as a scientist myself i am glad that medical practice science takes such a rigorous approach to medical treatment however as also being a human being last i checked and having been one of those people that has been significantly helped by a currently unaccepted treatment where standard medicine was not able to help me has caused me to sit back and wonder if holding such an extreme and rigid scientific viewpoint is in itself unethical from humanitarian considerations after all the underlying intent of the scientific approach to medicine is to protect the health of the patient by providing the best possible care for the patient so the patient should come first when considering treatment what we need is a slightly modified approach to treatment that satisfies both the scientific and the humanitarian viewpoints in an earlier post i outlined a crazy idea for doing just that the gist of it was to give any physician freedom and encouragement by the medical community to prescribe alternate not yet proven therapies maybe supported by anecdotal evidence for patients who all avenues of accepted therapies have been exhausted and not until then the patient would be fully informed that such therapies treatments are not supported by the proper clinical trials and that there are real potential risks with real possibilities of no benefit derived from them this approach satisfies the need for scientific rigor it also satisfies the humanitarian needs of the patient and the reality is that many patients who have reached a dead end in the treatment of their symptoms using accepted medicine will go outside the orthodox medical community either to the doctors who are brave enough to prescribe such treatments at the risk of losing their license or worse to non doctors who have not had the proper medical training this approach also recognizes this reality and keeps the control more within orthodox medicine with the benefits that the information gleaned could help focus limited resources towards future clinical trials in the most productive way everybody wins in this admittedly rose colored approach im sure there are real problems with this approach as well it is presented more as a strawman to stimulate discussion hopefully what i write here may give the sci med doctors a better idea as to why i am open to alternative therapies as well as why i have real difficulty read apparent hostility with the coldness of the 99 9 pure scientific approach to medicine i believe the best approach to medical treatment is one where both the humanitarian aspects are balanced with and by the scientific aspects anything else is just not good medicine imho just my nf leanings i guess comments jon noring charter member infj club if youre dying to know what infj means be brave e mail me ill send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 freds gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone 510 294 8153 chips worlds best livermore ca 94550 v mail 510 417 4101 who are you read alt psychology personality thats where the action is cars re isuzu amigo opinions sought in a previous article sdexter shl com scott dexter says i like the amigo i would like some feedback any and all feedback appreciated yet another jeep wannabe designed for yuppies who will never take it off road but want to look outdoorsey dod 650 darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion cars just testing hello testing windows ms windows sound system text to speach hi all news group users does anyone know whether there is some software which will let one do text to speach like the sound blaster does hal adam hadam bcsc02 gov bc ca windows printer driver wanted im looking for a printer driver for the apple imagewriter ii this printer is actually the same as a citoh 8510 jim littlefield only two things are infinite the universe little hks com and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former albert einstein medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition carl lydick and youre condemning one particular ingredient without any evidence that thats the ingredient to which you reacted believe what you will the mass of anectdotal evidence combined with the lack of a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving the hypothesis makes the msg reaction hypothesis the most likely explanation for events steve medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr20 173019 11903 llyene jpl nasa gov julie eddie jpl nasa gov julie kangas writes as for how foods taste if im not allergic to msg and i like the taste of it why shouldnt i use it saying i shouldnt use it is like saying i shouldnt eat spicy food because my neighbor has an ulcer nobody is saying that you shouldnt be allowed to use msg just dont force it on others if you have food that you want to enhance with msg just put the msg on the table like salt it is then the option of the eater to use it if you make a commerical product just leave it out you can include a packet like some salt packets if you desire salt pepper mustard ketchup pickles are table options treat msg the same way i wouldnt shove my condiments down your throat dont shove yours down mine wfl walter lundby medicine re donating organs in article 19393 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article 1993mar25 161109 13101 sbcs sunysb edu mhollowa ic sunysb edu michael holloway writes there been anything recent in transplant proceedings or somesuch on xenografts how about liver section transplants from living donors im sure the pittsburgh group has published the baboon work but i dont know where in chicago they were doing lobe transplants from living donors and im sure theyve published the case report of the first xenotransplant was published in lancet 1993 341 65 71 i can send you a reprint if you are interested there was another paper sort of a tour of the horizon written by starzl and published in the residents edition of the annals of surgery vol 216 october 1992 its in the surgical residents newsletter section so you wont find it in the regular issue of the annals i dont have any reprints of that one a paper has been accepted for publication by immunology today though im not sure when its coming out describing our experience with the two xenografts done to date as for segmental liver transplants from living related donors i must confess to a total ignorance of that literature we are philosophically opposed to those and i dont keep up with that particular field howard doyle doyle pitt edu baseball re detroit tigers david vergolini writes the roar at michigan and trumbull should be loader than ever this year with mike illitch at the head and ernie harwell back at the booth the tiger bats will bang this summer already they have scored 20 runs in two games and with fielder tettleton and deer i think they can win the division no pitching bull gully moore wells and krueger make up a decent staff that will keep the team into many games yeah if the tigers can keep scoring 20 runs a game if im reading all this woofing correctly one midseason slump is going to pull this team out of contention like yogi says ill believe when i believe it david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions 1993 its on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the 411 religion re alt sex stories under literary critical analy in sandvik 170493170457 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com writes in article 1qevbh h7v agate berkeley edu dzkriz ocf berkeley edu dennis kriz wrote im going to try to do something here that perhaps many would not have thought even possible i want to begin the process of initiating a literary critical study of the pornography posted on alt sex stories to identify the major themes and motifs present in the stories posted there opening up then the possibility of an objective moral evaluation of the material present there dennis im astounded i didnt know you were interested to even study such filth as alt sex stories provide cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net finally brethern whatever is true whatever is honorable whatever is right whatever is pure whatever is lovely whatever is of good repute if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise let your mind dwell on these things phil 4 8 more cheers john nunnally acs harding edu windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 15008 news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu kurt bollacker writes system 7 easier to learn and use there have been independent studies to that effect os 2 can run msw applications and has more stable multitasking nextstep easier to learn use and program more stable multitasking unix x as easy to learn and use more stable multitasking also more customizable i can make the computer do what i want it to do whereas with msw i have to do what microsoft wants me to do how do i bind control left mousebutton to type hello world not that id want to do that but tjl baseball where can i find baseball statistics i am interested in uncovering statistics on boston red sox players from march 1992 present i want to look at changes in batting average hits multi hit games runs stolen bases and on base during every game where can i find this information do any sports magazines log this info or do i have to go directly to the ball club thanks for the info kip medicine help for kidney stones my girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones she says that because she has no medical insurance she cannot get them removed my question is there any way she can treat them herself or at least mitigate their effects any help is deeply appreciated advice referral to literature etc thank you dave carvell pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu windows re panasonic kx p1091i driver in 1993apr16 040946 26896 netnews noc drexel edu brzyckmj dunx1 ocs drexel edu mike writes does anyone out there know if there are print drivers for windows for the panasonic kx p1091i 9 pin dot matrix printer ive been told that panasonic has uploaded some to compu erve but i dont have a cis account i just use the epson fx 80 driver myself and it comes out very pretty if very slowly on my 1080i carl fink carlf panix com c fink4 genie or cf427620i liuvax bitnet facts are stubborn things and whatever may be our wishes our inclinations or the dictates of our passions they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence john adams medicine re name of mds eyepiece in article c4ihm2 gs9 watson ibm com clarke watson ibm com ed clarke writes its not an eyepiece it is called a head mirror all doctors never a speculum the speculum is the little cone that fits on the end of the otoscope there are also vaginal specula that females and gynecologists are all too familiar with gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows out of environment space running bat files from windows i have a bat file that i run under a windows icon i have set up a pif file to run the bat file in exclusive mode and to use the entire screen the first line of the bat file sets an environment variable my problem is that on some of our machines running ms dos 5 0 and windows 3 1 in enhanced mode the set command in the bat file fails with the out of environment space error i have raised the amount of environment space to 2048 bytes using the shell command in config sys so i know that i am nowhere near to running out if i just click on the ms dos icon i can create a bunch of environment varibles from the dos shell the problem is that on some machines setting the value of an environment variable in a bat file fails has anyone seen such behavior before i see no place in the pif fail to configure environment space lance j gay internet gay venice sedd trw com trw systems engineering development div phone 310 764 3988 carson ca 90746 baseball re harry and candy but i like the way he butchers andres galarragas name yall lighten up on harry skipll be like that in a couple of years it comes out like gahlah rrrraggggah and dont forget his frequent references to the great sf giant star bobby bonds harrys a great personality hes the reason i like cubs broadcasts its certainly not the quality of the team chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gt0523e internet gt0523e prism gatech edu windows re afterdark startrek out of memory in article 1993may18 234042 4519 informix com jerry doodles informix com writes i have the startrek version of afterdark running but it nearly always reports space out of memory which floats across the top of the screen what have i not set correctly ive got 16m of ram jerry youre right it doesnt appear to working correctly it really should say space the last frontier across the top john a grant jagrant emr1 emr ca airborne geophysics geological survey of canada ottawa religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed in article 1r477q 1vk sbctri sbc com tph susie sbc com timothy p henrion writes in article 1993apr21 093914 1 woods ulowell edu cotera woods ulowell edu writes i assume you have evidence that he was responsible for the deaths only my common sense the fire was caused by either koresh and his followers or by the fbi atf cia kgb and maybe the harper valley pta since you are throwing around the evidence arguement ill throw it back can you prove any government agency did it please dont resort to they covered it up so that proves they did it or any wild theories about how the government agencies intentionally started the fire the key words are proof and evidence proves they did it no which is why i want an investigation please explain how koresh was defending himself from those children who burned who ever said he was what is obvious is that he was defending himself and his followers from the government whether you think he was right or wrong in this is another question if he was right then he had the moral right to kill those kgbatf agents ray cote theres no government like no government cars honda headrest stuck advice please an aquaintence has a 87 accord the drivers side headrest was accidentally put in backwards and has jammed according to the dealer the only way to get it out is to spend several hours disassembling the seat this is the second time i have heard of this happening and i wonder whether theres an easier way to get the headrest back out has anyone else ever dealt with this problem your advice would be appreciated please email and i will summarize if there is interest dan dyndata com dan everhart uunet camco fluke dyndata dan 206 743 6982 742 8604 fax 7107 179th st sw dynamic data electronics edmonds wa 98026 usa rhe rone rike rhe rone rike rhorane astro sings cocaine cars re auto air conditioning without freon in article 1993apr14 155159 32619 ns1 cc lehigh edu amh2 ns1 cc lehigh edu alois m himsl writes yes i have the same questions what makes me upset is that r12 costs are skyrocketing and in fact cant be bought anymore in my area also this is yet another way mechanics and dealers can rip off customers also i was reading that the new refrigerant is not compatible with the r12 system and that it would cost 300 upto a 1000 to retrofit a car with the old r12 system although it is important to consider the environment i think the sudden ban is a slap in the face for the consumer why is it that the consumer should have to pay for the retrofit the auto companies should have seen this coming also why is it that the governments of the world were so quick in banning freon use and yet so slow in banning gasoline in my opinion gasoline is just as hazardous as anything else why cant they start proposing bans on this and switch to natural gas or electric the technology is there hopefully some chemist will come up with another alternative coolant that will be compatible with the old system al h several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for r12 you dont hear about them because the mobile air conditioning society macs that is the people who stand to rake in that 300 to 1000 per retrofit per automobile have mounted an organized campaign to squash those r12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether on very shaky technical grounds at best on outright lies at worst does this piss you off yes write a letter to your congressman to your senator to the president to the epa and to the dot and complain later chris behanna dod 114 1983 h d fxwg wide glide jubilees red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer now why would nec 1991 zx 11 needs a name agree with any of this anyway i was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs windows re re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 1993may17 064503 13114 microsoft com cliffga microsoft com clifford garrett writes yes a lot of what os 2 2 0 has in common with os 2 1 x was written by you guys however many of the things that made os 2 2 0 so much more successful win os 2 workplace shell than previous versions were ibm work yes certainly it was ibm that wrote the windows code c isnt this the point of a better windows than windoze brett d sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng uc edu u of cincy catch the cats college of engineering if you can baseball re brewer notes in 30mar93 02086551 0010 music lib matc edu pfan pfan music lib matc edu writes for those of you who know who bernie brewer is hes back the team mascot if you will was given his walking papers a few years ago but the fans voted him back last season and he will be perched in the his familiar home in the outfield and will again slide down into a barrel of beer when home runs are hit that is great to hear i just may have to take a raod trip to milwakee this year and see that again last time i saw bernie brewer was at the age of 10 and i am now 21 thanks for this post one final note bill spiers is leading the brewers with 13 rbis in exhibition play looks like hes bouncing back nicely from back problems good to bill is getting better form the limited coverage we get here in iowa i know that this will be a great season for the brew crew pete fanning computer operator leadership is action office of information technology not position milwaukee area technical college d h mcgannon email pfan music lib matc edu internet or pete fanning f71 n154 z1 fidonet org medicine re burzynskis antineoplastons in article jschwimmer 123 735362184 wccnet wcc wesleyan edu jschwimmer wccnet wcc wesleyan edu josh schwimmer writes ive recently listened to a tape by dr stanislaw burzynski in which he claims to have discovered a series naturally occuring peptides with anti cancer properties that he names antineoplastons burzynski says that his work has met with hostility in the united states despite the favorable responses of his subjects during clinical trials what is the generally accepted opinion of dr burzynskis research he paints himself as a lone researcher with a new breakthrough battling an intolerant medical establishment but i have no basis from which to judge his claims two weeks ago however i read that the nihs department of alternative medicine has decided to focus their attention on burzynskis work their budget is so small that i imagine they wouldnt investigate a treatment that didnt seem promising any opinions on burzynskis antineoplastons or information about the current status of his research would be appreciated joshua schwimmer jschwimmer eagle wesleyan edu theres been extensive discussion on the compuserve cancer forum about dr burzynskis treatment as a result of the decision of a forum members father to undertake his treatment for brain glioblastoma this disease is universally and usually rapidly fatal after diagnosis in june 1992 the tumor was growing rapidly despite radiation and chemotherapy the forum member checked extensively on dr burzynkis track record for this disease he spoke to a few patients in complete remission for a few years from glioblastoma following this treatment and to an nci oncologist who had audited other such case histories and found them valid and impressive after the forum members father began dr burzynskis treatment in september all subsequent scans performed under the auspices of his oncologist in chicago have shown no tumor growth with possible signs of shrinkage or necrosis the patients oncologist although telling him he would probably not live past december 1992 was vehemently opposed to his trying dr burzynskis treatment since the tumor stopped its rapid growth under dr burzynskis treatment shes since changed her attitude toward continuing these treatments saying if it aint broke dont fix it dr burzynski is an m d ph d with a research background who found a protein that is at very low serum levels in cancer patients synthesized it and administers it to patients with certain cancer types there is little understanding of the actual mechanism of activity david e scheim bitnet none internet desl helix nih gov phone 301 496 2194 compuserve 73750 3305 fax 301 402 1065 disclaimer these comments are offered to share knowledge based upon my personal views they do not represent the positions of my employer baseball re box score abbrev woes scott asd com scott barman writes in article 1993apr15 195452 14672 scott skidmore edu jrogoff scott skidmore edu jay rogoff writes can anybody figure out why some box score abbreviations make absolutely no sense at least in the local gannett rag that finds its way to my door i must have stared at cleman in the mets box for a good 30 seconds this morning wondering who the hell it was wouldnt it make more sense to use colemn ive seen it as colmn also blame the associated press after the official scorer balances the official score card they copy it and give it to several diffent people one of those is a person from ap whose job it is to type it up using a template on a laptop and transmit it to the ap offices in new york rockefeller center via the telephone the box scores are not checked and just rebroadcasted over aps news delivery services if there are corrections those are issued later it is the person sitting in front of a laptop at shea or whereever whose fault that is note the ap puts out boxscores in three different formats with the one you see in most newspapers being the first one not totally true for the past year or two the ap has been getting box scores from stats inc the ap representative in the press box is actually a stats reporter 25 dollars a game but free parking and anybody can do it the box is downloaded to stats in chicago some quick error checking is done and then stats sends it to the ap im not sure where the appreveiations come in hear i dont think it is at statss it may just be a space correction by the ap sports editor that day while im mentioning stats reporters they are always looking for new people especially if you live in cleveland or pittsburgh youre road to getting into the press box may be real short for more info call stats 708 676 3322 and ask about the reporter network its a fun way to get paid for watching baseball games end of public service announcement last week they were in denver maybe the ap person in denver did this remember they just started with mlb out there check tomorrows paper 4 21 and see if the person who is doing it from shea does the same thing noel rappin noel chaos cs brandeis edu baseball re best second baseman in article 1pqvusinnmjm crcnis1 unl edu horan cse unl edu mark horan writes sandberg is not particulary known for his stolen bases what competition did alomar have sandberg came in a year after ripken and the same year as boggs gwynn and the other magicians so less attention was given to sandberg alomar is the only one in his class to be worth a mediocre besides the numbers dont count national league pitchers are much better pitchers youre right thomas gonzalez sheffield and griffey dont even begin to compare with ripken boggs and gwynn so no wonder alomar gets so much attention sandberg got no attention his rookie year because his rookie year was terrible so was his sophomore year national league pitchers are much better pitchers that certainly explains sheffields 1993 hm are you confusing have eras that are 0 40 lower because they dont face dhs with much better ted frank however teel should have mentioned that though thf2 kimbark uchicago edu his advice is legally sound if you follow it the u of c law school you will probably wind up in jail standard disclaimers james donald in misc legal baseball re ron gant stalling and hirschbeck in 1993apr21 020426 3316 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes in article steph 735343286 pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes but in the past a disputed strike call has been enough reason to step out of the batters box it may not be a good idea it may even irritate the umpire but ive seen it a lot and ive seen it tolerated just not this time the key words here are in the past everybody was warned before the season began that the umpires had been instructed to enforce the rule in the interest of speeding up the game when i see this happening to other players ill post a public apology to mr hirschbeck until then i think this was a case of selective enforcement dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball cars re service indicator of a bmw derek there is a tool available to reset the service indicator on bmws but the lights will come back on after 2 3 weeks the tool is in fact illegal in europe atleast it is often the case that the unsuspecting punter trots off to buy a used bmw and a few weeks later all the lights come on other than that i know of no other tool anyone else about changing oil every 15 000 miles thats ok on newer audis they only require it after every 12 000 miles i am talking about an oil change just a query do you drive your car very very carefully like no sudden acceleration etc if yeah then the 15 000 m oil change seems quite reasonable but if you drive kinda fast id get a bit up tight abot that 15 000 thingy a point to note just because the first light came on at 3k doesnt mean all the others will come on every 3k too shaz windows re diamond ss 24x greetings ive had a bunch of problems with the 24x opening a dos window on the desktop can occasionally result in the windows blowing up into a set of horizontal lines hashing the entire desktop nothing can recover this except to completely exit from windows the other irritating problem is that windows that scroll often overwrite lines rather than actually scrolling as if a cr was printed without an lf this seems only to happen to communications programs but i cant nail it down any further than that note though that the comms programs dont have to be communicating even just scrolling back through capture buffers or displaying disk files in these programs causes the problem prior to the latest rev of word perfect for windows wpwin would sometimes blow up and the error message would cite the video driver as the source of the problem ive still seen this but only once or twice with wpwin 5 2 dave zimmerman my opinions are my own guns re criminals machineguns in article c5me6d iy0 cs uiuc edu kratz cs uiuc edu jason kratz writes in 1993apr16 202441 16032 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman writes in article 93104 175256u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes people are getting killed by gang violence every day every single day i hear about more people getting killed by gang violence and see some of the weapo s that are being confiscated is kratz claiming that he can reliably visually distinguish an m 16 from an ar 15 that he can see the difference between a semi auto and a full auto uzi that he can see the difference between the various versions some full auto some semi auto only of the m 11 9 well let me see uzi no m 11 9 no i see that i misphrased my question i should have asked which full autos kratz can accurately distinguish from semi auto look alikes i should have also included some semi auto only guns in my list to see if hed ask how to distinguish them from their non existent full auto relatives lets do the former now kratz has claimed that he can visually distinguish full autos from semi autos for which full autos is he making that claim how does he do it lets get specific and as exhaustive as possible m 16 ar 15 maybe i remember there being a selector swtich on the ar 15 if i remember correctly please correct me if im wrong the switch would set to an off position or an on position because the gun ar 15 is semi automatic wouldnt the m 16 have a position for semi auto fire and full auto fire or maybe 3 round bursts maybe why is kratz asking about what he told us that he knows is kratz certain that he can distinguish a three position switch from a two position switch via tv inspection does he even get to see the switch in the typical police display of guns note that one might well be able to see this sort of thing in a hands on visual inspection even though it wont be seen on tv and to think that kratz was telling us that seeing it on tv was just as accurate as being there how about the other guns do they also have selector switch to switch between semi auto and fully auto fire why all the questions kratz assured us that he could make this distinction and now hes asking us how he did it well what about what i said above if that is correct i guess tv would be acceptable if you had a good enough picture and a picture of the lower receiver of the ar 15 m 16 what about it it only demonstrates that as i predicted kratz was blowing smoke on this andy gave kratz a chance to back down on this in private jason kratz didnt take andys offer to back down in private andy wonders what kratz is learning from this baseball re bonilla in article 1993apr21 012139 13444 princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig writes when i say black i mean us born black people for the purposes of this discussion hispanic players were in baseball before 1947 and one team in the 50s signed lots of hispanics because they went over better with the local audience than blacks did what about black hispanics and why would more hispanics stick around than blacks dont know but remember this is the country that had special racial laws for one group and one group only blacks our national history man you had better do some serious reading i really really doubt that you meant to say this mike disclaimer these opiini h h damn h h q w q wq wq d x exit x q c quitbye ctrlaltdel q q logout save quit quit zz zzzzzz vi man vi l c e x i t help helpquit d d man help c c e help exit quit q ctrlshftdel hey what does stop l1a d guns re a scoop of waco road please cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes your lite posting for the day from rec humor funny in article s539 2adf looking on ca bellas tti com pete bellas writes there is a new ice cream flavor inspired by the incident at waco its called mount caramel its full of nuts but you cant get it out of the carton cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet even though i find this to be funny on the surface the original poster of the joke has tried and convicted the members of the bd to be a bunch of nuts this may be a dangerous thing to do it is my opinion that most educated or well informed people of this country have some distrust of the government this should exist because as a bureaucracy any government given enough time will tend to exist for it self and not for the original purpose it was created for this distrust by the people should keep those in power in line that and a properly functioning press when a sensationalism oriented press portrays a group of people as nuts or crazies a violation of those peoples civil rights seem justified since we as americans have the gurantee of rights as enumerated in the constitution to include the 2nd ammendment the government must appease the publics opinion or risk voted out of existance or if it has become corrupt enough to tamper with domocratic process itself being thrown out by force our government as it stands must appease the public therefore the official press releases portray the bds as fanatics who are a threat to public safety we must not prejudge people based on one sided information so far the only information that we are being given is comming from the very agency that was embarrased by the bd branch davidians sp it is to their advantage to make the bds as fanatical and dangerous as possible if they were portrayed as law abiding citizens then they atf had no justification what so ever of doing what they did so lets keep an open mind jokes like above even though it may be funny may mislead the public from the truth of the matter just as an aside my understanding of u s vs rock island and u s vs dalton leads me to believe that the national firearms act which allows the feds in this case atf to regulate firearms machine guns has been deemed to be unconstitutional since 1986 by two federal district courts at least and since i believe the only reason atf was involved in this case is because of firearms violations it would be interesting to find out whether or not the search warrent was based on the nfa it would be very embarrassing indeed if a search warrent based on a possibly unconstitutional law has resulted in 4 deaths law enforcement the above opinions are mine and mine only im solely responsible for my opinions and my actions if you must flame then flame away but a well constructed argument will be much more respected young hoon yoon yoony rpi edu 211 north hall n6zud hibp1 ecse rpi edu rensselaer polytechnic institute n6zud 2 hl9kmt former troy ny 12180 baseball re seeking moe berg reference info in article c5hvfs 4dw news cis umn edu lsmith deci cs umn edu lance squiddie smith writes in article 14apr93 19061416 vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu writes david tate writes also in particular a colleague of mine is looking for any information he can find on moe berg catcher linguist espion of ww2 any references or anecdotes for that matter would be appreciated moe berg my hero we were just talking about him on monday at the yankee game well theres a book about him thats just been reissued i think the title is moe berg athlete scholar spy by tom sewell and two other people whose names i forget sewell wrote the chapter on berg in danny pearys book cult baseball players this is a good source for some of the more famous anecdotes about berg also excellent is the section on him in bill gilberts book they also served about baseball during wwii im told bergs spy activities are mentioned in the recent book heisenbergs war his sister also wrote a book about moe that she self published the title is something like my brother morris berg its mainly some of her memories and page after page of xerox copies of pictures and letters that moe had saved copies are kinda hard to find but the smith baseball library has one for those in minneapolis we have one here at bergs alma mater class of 1923 its kind of a sour thing she disapproved of the job that sewell et al had done roger windows re gatewaying microsoft mail workgroups via 96 we here at utah state university cooperative extension have been using w4wg for a while now we wanted to talk to the internet with the mail package so we got the smtp gateway you also need a tcp ip transport package on top of that which is utterly stupid but thats what they require to get the smtp gateway to work you need a dedicated pc for the gateway and if you are looking at remote access you need another dedicated pc for the remote mail stuff we do not have the remote mail going but you indicate that that is what you want to do there is a glitch somewhere in the system though i dont know if it is ms mail the gateway or the vax here on campus that is choking in the mail that is sent the scenario is this the outgoing mail goes to a unix system which then routes the mail where it needs to go if that mail is routed to the vax the vax has problems some times receiving the mail most messages do get through this way except if someone has there mail on the vax forwarded to some other location that is the main gotcha where ever the mail is forwarded to that person gets a message header then a message saying boudary error garbage code stuff if you can stay away from sending to a vax you are ok the system people of course say that the vax is not the problem the gateway is probably the problem if anyone wants to get help it is only 175 00 for one support call until problem is worked out phooey to that i say i am looking vigorously for a better idea if you go forward on any of this and find out anything knew please drop me a note anyone the next itteration is supposed to have tcp ip built in they say the netxt itteration of w4wg good luck wes james email wesj extsparc agsci usu edu utah state university cooperative extension systems specialist umc 4900 voice 801 750 2229 logan ut 84322 4900 fax 801 750 3268 baseball re some baseball trivia in article 1ra18binnt31 gap caltech edu daplurad ugcs caltech edu david plurad writes in article texdude 735595914 cs1 bradley edu texdude cs1 bradley edu philip allen writes who holds the record for most career strikeouts while playing for one team who holds the record for most career strikeouts for the rangers hint nolan ryan isnt either what two pitchers have over 100 career saves for two different teams who is the only player to hit 300 or more career home runs and steal 300 or more career bases for the same team no fair peeking at your baseball stats phil allen texdude cs1 bradley edu ill post my guesses to some of these and other trivia questions posted for most career ks with one team if its not ryan perhaps steve carlton no way gotta be walter johnson all were with washington carlton spent too long in st louis to collect less than 700 there with the rangers hough was there for a long time id also guess hough due to his length of tenure though i suspect bobby witt wasnt far behind maybe even jenkins snuck in close in the 100 saves department maybe lee smith he should have at least a hundred with the cubbies maybe enough with either the rsox or cards then maybe gossage nyy and sd fingers mil oak fingers had to have achieved 100 with either mil or with sd so yes id go with that guess otherwise i was thinking that reardon has a better chance of having 100 with min along with i would think easily reaching 100 with mon dont know about the homers steals dept gotta be willie mays i am fairly sure he had over 300 steals in his career in some other article mets trivia it could be tim leary in at least the losing to all teams maybe beating all of em too probably seaver and koosman fit too hmmm leary is a really good point id forgotten about him well if nothing else there are plenty of ex met pitchers in the category of could have lost to all teams koosman leary torrez ryan seaver i guess the best three guesses would be leary ryan and either seaver or koosman thomas talavage purdue university electrical engineering grad student grad school the greatest time of ones life where they pay you to do what you have spent the last 16 years becoming good at cars re best radar detector valentine 1 re extended ka bands i recently bought a 2 band detector you guys must all think im nuts right well i did a little research into ka usage in this area and found out that ka is not currently being used in this state as well as surrounding states heres how i found out a cop friend who did spend time nailing speeders doesnt even know what ka is hes heard of k which is what they use here and i explained that ka is used for photo radar etc he then said yeah ka stands for k automatic duuhh he then went on to say that plans were being made for getting laser guns as far as going high tech were concerned but he didnt know too much my 8 year old 2 band whistler was consistently going off at speed traps even the real sneaky ones when i called the escort shop they confirmed that ka is not used here or in surrounding states they did claim that laser was being used a lot here which i was quite skeptical of so in the end instead of spending a lot of money and or waiting months for a state of the art detector i got a low priced high performance 2 band escort 2200 incidentally its performance is equal to their top of the line model in x and k band detection i know that escort has been surpassed by other brands lately but ive never fully relied on a detector and i was convinced that the escorts would be at least quite good which was good enough for me and my wallet eliot baseball re game length was re braves update nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes in article 1993apr19 194025 8967 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes stuff about ron gant incident deleted a reasonable umpire would do as hes been instructed to do this season get the batters back in the box sooner to try to cut down on the ridiculous length of games i for one am glad to see this happen i agree that hirschbeck was just doing what he was instructed to do and also that gant should have listened to him however what is with this policy of trying to speed up the games you are the first person non mediot i have seen endorse this policy i have no problem with the length of games at all and am tired of the espn crowd and other announcers bitching about it i have never been in a ballpark filled with people looking at their watches and shouting hurry up if i cough up big bucks for a ticket i dont mind a game that last more than 2 10 i really dont understand it games are longer now for several reasons stuff deleted maybe i am just a neer do well with nothing better to do but i would like to hear reasons why the longer games upset you well i dont want shorter games per se but i would like for them to stop wasting so much time during games the gant incident is a perfect example when a guy comes to the plate he should be up there to hit not show off or show up the umpire which is clearly what gant was doing i feel like writing a fan letter to hirschbeck mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com for purposes of action nothing is more useful than narrowness of thought combined with energy of will henri frederick amile baseball re usa today ftp site if there is a usa today ftp site could someone please post it to the newsgroup so everyone will stop posting the send it to me too articles im sure many people woulds like to know so why not just post it to the net rather than mailing hundreds of people just a thought thanks ryan robin robinr prism cs orst edu cars re information needed yjwon deca cs umn edu youjip won writes hi this is my first time to post on this news group now a days i have stu there is a engine warning signal on the dash board while driving this si i wanna know how the engine warning signal comes is anybody out there who low oil pressure usually could be your oil pump or checked your oil lately mc mchase oneb almanac bc ca mark chase the old frogs almanac home of the almanac unix users group 604 245 3205 v32 public access usenet 604 245 4366 2400x4 vancouver island british columbia waffle xenix 1 64 windows re windows nt und x windows in article 1993apr29 220709 7347 mksol dseg ti com mccall mksol dseg ti com fred j mccall 575 3539 writes in 1993apr26 172936 908 eurom rhein main de hein eurom rhein main de hein roehrig writes i am not sure whether i am here in the right area but does anybody here know whether windows nt does will include a x windows server so that it can run x window applications remotely no it does not could you add some information to non it does not say for instance your source of information thanks kan mongwa mongwa acsu buffalo edu suny buffalo bitnet v143wxkp ubvms humpty dumpty electrical engineering c143wxkp ubvm religion re 666 mark of the beast need info u28698 uicvm uic edu wrote marian catholic high school outside of chicago 666 south ashland avenue actually satanism is technically inverted catholicism andrew bulhak plonk n the sound of richard depew acb yoyo cc monash edu au hitting the ground after being monash uni clayton defenestrated by a posse of angry usenet victoria australia posters religion re oto the ancient order of oriental templars in article 79615 cup portal com thyagi cup portal com thyagi morgoth nagasiva writes to all whom it may concern constitution sacrificed to the bandwidth gods im glad i finally have heard exactly what the oto is all about i finally know that i can stop looking content i the knowlege that im not interested its tough enough listening to all the religions who refer to themselves as the one truth how can i possibly accept it from a magical order we have all the answers and will give them to those who join us and pay dues scary besides answers are easy questions now thats another story rintaw rob napier virginia tech there is no gravity the earth sucks rnapier csugrad cs vt edu all in all im just another schitz in the hall medicine re krillean photography in article mmeyer 93apr26102056 m2 dseg ti com mmeyer m2 dseg ti com mark meyer writes besides kirilian photography is actually photography of my friends two year old son kiril perhaps you meant kirlian i think it was a typo for karelian photography which is the practice of taking pictures of either finns or russians depending on whom one asks eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu religion re is it good that jesus died in article 1993apr23 210109 21120 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 wrote hmm it seems that this is the core of christianity then you have to feel guilty i think i see where you are coming from kent jesus doesnt view guilt like our modern venacular colors it feelings have nothing to do with guilt feelings arise from the state of being guilty feeling and guilt are mutally exclusive feelings are a reaction from guilt jesus is talking about the guilt state not the reaction let me give you an example have you ever made a mistake have you ever lied to someone even a little white lie have you ever claimed to know something that you really didnt know have you ever hated someone have you ever been selfish are you guilty of any one of these the answer is of course yes you are guilty period that is it what jesus is getting at no big surprise feelings do not even enter the picture consider jesuss use of the word guilt as how a court uses it ive done all those things and ive regretted it and i learned a lesson or two so far an aspirin a good talk with your wife or a one week vacation has cured me no need for group therapy or strange religions cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net baseball g williams sent down yanks win al east well it really isnt this cut and dry but as a jay fan the thing i feared worst has happened the yanks sent down williams g and are going to start williams b in cf i also believe they kept wickman and millitello in their rotation which is much nicer than that kaminiecki and mike witt combo i thought theyd throw out their to the slaughterhouse because of their experience granted witt might be good but i think that they used rationale to keep the youngsters up and not given the job to witt because he was a good pitcher and has experience the yanks are showing that they are taking positive strides forwards the jays with the loss of dave stewart are looking at gigantic holes in their pitching staff the orioles should also be there in the end gord niguma to salvage the season let jj olerud win mvp religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 in article 1qknu0innbhv shelley u washington edu christian washed in the blood of the lamb mithraist washed in the blood of the bull if anyone in netland is in the process of devising a new religion do not use the lamb or the bull because they have already been reserved please choose another animal preferably one not on the endangered species list this will be a hard task because most cultures used most animals for blood sacrifices it has to be something related to our current post modernism state hmm what about used computers cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net baseball re white and black racism was about the phillies in article 2943640103 10 p00421 psilink com dennis g parslow p00421 psilink com writes from dan campbell dan c jhunix hcf jhu edu in article 1993apr11 025636 1 ulkyvx louisville edu pjtier01 ulkyvx louisville edu writes in article apr 10 09 33 33 1993 28038 pilot njin net gajarsky pilot njin net bob gajarsky hobokenite writes heres the hard working black players none heres the lazy white players mcreynolds now that time has passed what would the posts be like if rickey were driving his boat drunk killing himself and one of his teammates what would people say if bonds drunk out of his skull smashed his car into a tree disabling himself say willie mcgee for the season i can tell you they would be considered spoiled lazy say it niggers this awfully presumptious of you to assume you can read our minds and predict the future what makes you so sure i would be thinking these things what makes you think that theres not a lot of people out there dont think crews is a god anyone who is dead because of a mistake deserves sympathy be it crews olin bonds mcgee rickey or you or me why does it bother you so much that two dead white men are getting a little sympathy would it make you feel better if we only mourned dead black baseball players to beat a dead horse i seem to remember a fair amount of sympathy for some black fringe player named roberto clemente and for roy campanella and for thurman munson and for just about anyone else who we may not even have liked as players but mourned for dying too young wiggins alan but thats besides the point im sure people would feel slightly sympathetic for rickey if he were killed but they would also be criticizing him a lot more for his actions example how about jose canseco he gets a couple of speeding tickets and all of the sudden his attitude is awful what the hell do speeding tickets have to do with clubhouse influence anyway so why do sportswriters talk about it all the time or brian hunter and keith mitchell both of whom had dwi problems towards the end of last year two years ago it was cited as a sign of their immaturity etc meanwhile dykstra almost killed both himself and daulton and i didnt read any sportswriter complaining about that they may have talked about how bad it was for the phillies but i never read anywhere criticism of dykstras character or daultons intelligence for that matter based on this incident david m nieporent only one thing wrong with theory niepornt phoenix is stupid is stupidest theory i ever heard princeton edu baltimore orioles 93 whos the dangerous cult the bds or the batf windows odd mouse behavior hi one of my coworkers is having a very odd problem his mouse works fine in dos applications if you load them from the c prompt under windows the mouse pointer is present but does not move even if you load a dos app under windows the mouse doesnt work the computer is a zeos 386sx 20 w diamond speedstar vga running ms dos 5 0 and windows 3 1 mouse driver is microsofts 8 2 ive tried switching the mouse from com1 to com2 ive tried a different mouse ive reinstalled mouse drv and i cant get the blamed thing to work the only difference between his system and mine where the mouse works perfectly is that he has an expansion card with an additional parallel and serial port could that cause the problem thanks in advance for any help carl fink carlf panix com c fink4 genie if you cant laugh at yourself then you can bet that everyone else is doing so ed johnston medicine re menangitis question in article 19439 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes the neiseria meningococcus is one of the most common forms of meningitis its the one that sometimes sweeps schools or boot camp it is contagious and kills by attacking the covering of the brain causing the blood vessels to thrombose and the brain to swell up it can live in the throat of carriers dont worry you wont get it from them especially if they took the medication assuming one has been cultured as having a throat laden with neiseria meningococcus and given and taken a course of eryc without the culture becoming negative should one worry about being a carrier elizabeth walkup cs washington edu windows file downloading as a beginer i just wonder how to transfer files from the sun system which is on the network to my pc at home not connected to the network i tried to use comit to do so but it was very slow and it seemed that getting multiple files at the same time was impossible could anybody give me some hints infomation thank you in advance liu cars 300zx or sc300 hi everyone im getting a car in the near future ive narrow it down to 300zx and sc300 which might be a better choice thanks for your opnion danny hey you programmers out there danny phornprapha please consider this ip02 lehigh edu bugs are another endangered earth lucc student konsultant species needing your protection work 215 758 4141 guns re ban all firearms in article 1993apr14 183025 29688 sco com allanh sco com allan j heim writes papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca paul prescod drugs are banned please tell me when this supply will dry up drugs are easier to manufacture easier to smuggle easier to hide no comparison then lets use another example alcoholic beverages bottles of whiskey are larger heavier and more fragile than bags of drugs barrels and kegs are larger and heavier still and are difficult to manipulate yet a lot of people managed to get very rich off of the smuggling of booze into this country during the years of prohibition there was a demand so an entire industry formed to supply it if alcohol were again banned today it would be much more difficult to manage a large scale smuggling operation the cops now rank just a narrow notch below the military in communications intelligence gathering and firepower in a similar vein the amount of marijuana smuggled into this country has greatly decreased this is because its value per pound is very low when compared to cocaine or heroin its simply not worth the risk its uneconomical now most reefer is domestic there is less pressure on the domestic producer showy raids notwithstanding and thus it is economical of note though domestic reefer is now very strong so a small volume goes a long way you cannot make alcohol stronger than 200 proof not a good dollar pound deal firearms tend to fall into this low dollar pound area it would not be economic to smuggle them in all production would have to be local there are not all that many people who have both the skill and motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch high ranking crime figures could obtain imported uzis and such but the average person and average thug would be lucky to get a zip gun and would pay through the nose for it baseball greg maddux run support i know you all were saying ha the braves score a few runs for maddux thatll shut that guy up but no i think well just keep track a bit longer last outing 5 runs total to date 8 runs 4 games braves record in madduxs starts 2 2 see ya next time dennis dennis parslow that better be a korean good troy ny 12180 luck symbol remo williams p00421 psilink com cars re warning please read sorry about that last post my server neglected to send the message can we please keep this group to automotive topics thank you cars illegal tint windows i know its a long shot but maybe someone went through this and will have some comments to share the story is this i bought a car out of state and im trying to get the safety inspection in pennsylvania the problem is that the car has aftermarket tint on all windows except the windshield the tint is rather weak and you can clearly see the inside of the car through the tint the inspection garage said that they wont pass it unless i get a waiver from the state police so i went to the state police the officer told me that aftermarket tint is illegal and i can get a waiver only for a pre 84 car or for a medical reason i asked him to show me the section of the vehicle code that says its illegal he showed it to me and the paraghaph said that you cant have tint if you cant see the inside of the car because of the tint when i told him that you can in fact see the inside very well he shut the book and said its just illegal and in fact we can have someone give you a ticket for it right now well wont argue with that since the vehicle code says its ok as long as you can see through the tint id like to keep it ill re read the vehicle code in the library id also like to get some sort of paper from the police that says its ok so i can get the inspection and so that i wont get in trouble for the tint later on i also wouldnt mind registering a complaint against that officer he really pissed me off so does anyone have any experience getting that sort of a paper from the police especially in pennsylvania does anyone have any experience registering a complaint against an officer i called the station later on today but they basically said there is no place where i could register a complaint against an officer and if i do decide to keep the tint and get a ticket anyway how much of a chance do i stand to succesfully appeal the ticket in court any comments about it will be welcome michal cars new 94 talon in article is there such a thing as the new 94 eagle talon i heard from a freind that the new 94 talons have been released is this true and if so what are the differences between the 93 and 94 any opinions i would appreciate any replies and i would also prefer e mail thanks hasit s mehta university of rochester primus sucks hm002b uhura cc rochester edu i do believe in captain crunch for i am the frizzle fry baseball re mel hall in article 1993apr17 212119 13901 coe montana edu warped cs montana edu doug dolven writes has anyone heard anything about mel hall this season id heard he wasnt with the yankees any more what happened to him doug dolven doug dolven warped cs montana edu gdd7548 trex oscs montana edu mel hall signed with a japanese team mike mike columbia edu guns re blast them next time daniel oldham oldham ces cwru edu wrote what happened in waco is not the fault of the batf if they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened initial assault on the compound more like a wooden farm house if it burned to the ground like it did for what regardless of who started caused the fire none of this would have happened if the atf can honestly justify their initial assault and handled it properly question authority snip with the wod and the increased crime in the streets the batf is needed more now then ever if they blast away a few good fokes then that is the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country look at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country of ours with the arms build up in waco they needed to hit that compound with show me some evidenence instead of repeating what the fbi atf told you mega fire power they could of gone in there blasting and killed a few women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn to death 51 days later then im sure you wont mind if the atf or the dea raid your house someday on a bogus informant tip so what if they killed wounded your family accidentally during the raid its just a fair price to pay for law and order in this country right answer this question honestly before making anymore ignorant statements what is even more disturbing than out of control government agencies are citizens who allow them to be irresponsible f chiu medicine tick fever aka rocky mtn spotted any rocky mountain spotted fever experts out there the doctor thinks a friend might have this the question is doesnt the tick have to bite you you frequently find a tick crawling on you after a walk in the woods around here but you tend to notice it before it bites you pulling one out of your skin is something youre not likely to forget can you get the fever without it biting you do they sometimes bite you and then let go so you dont realize you were bitten i know they will let go once theyve had their fill but you certainly would notice this arggh so how do you get the fever if you never pulled a tick off yourself as opposed to finding one merely crawling on you john eyles jge cs unc edu baseball re reason for giants june swoon giants off to a fast start in article 1993apr22 220456 377 bnlux1 bnl gov kyee bnlux1 bnl gov kenton yee writes in article 93111 185620nxm122 psuvm psu edu nxm122 psuvm psu edu writes the giants have won 8 of their last 10 games behind some solid pitching excluding that 13 12 win against atlanta if they can stay around first place after say the first 50 games i think theyve got a legitimate chance at winning the pennant and maybe even more than that dont you remember that the giants were in 1st place as late as june last year then their pitching collapsed their problem is they have optimistically only 2 3 good starting pitchers swift brantly and the bowler cant remember his name the other starters are extremely unreliable and often get blasted before 4 innings that means the already shallow bullpen gets over worked this means after a few months the bullpen collapses and their post all star record tends to be much worst than their pre all star record the bowler is john burkett who went to 4 0 last night he is a bargain pickup on my roto team i got him at a minimum of 5 just a thought does someone have the won lost pre post allstar records for the giants the last few seasons i bet their records tends to be worst and worst as the season goes on this is not really true excluding last season the giants has been a better 2nd half team in 1991 they had a hot august to pull to within a few games of the braves and dodgers before fading in september the giants may go back to earth but not as fast as last season for two reasons 1 barry bonds 2 roger craig is no longer the manager dusty can manage his pitching staffs much better than craig edward hui baseball how does a pitcher get a save the subject line says it all what is the rule that qualifies a pitcher as making a save medicine re cats and pregnancy in article 1993apr27 043035 22609 etl go jp klaus ipri go jp klaus hofmann 6663 writes i heard that a certain disease toxoplasmosys is transmitted by cats which can harm the unborn fetus does anybody know about it is it a problem to have a cat in the same apartment the disease you are talking about is toxoplasmosis it is a protozoan that lives and multiplies within cells in cats the protozoan multiplies in the intestinal cells and eggs are shed in the cats feces the protozoa can cross the placenta to infect the fetus the disease may be asymptomatic after the baby is born or it may be very severe toxo may cause blindness and mental retardation having a cat in the same apartment should not be a problem however pregnant women should not scoop or change the cats litterbox in addition whoever does empty the litterbox should thoroughly wash his her hands before handling anything else especially food information came from the merck manual 15th ed i hope this information is helpful to you elisa picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu guns re dillon puts foot in mouth so the blue press suggests that we bankrupt hci by requesting information and the concern by list members is that hci will claim everyone that calls as a new member i think they will i also think they will claim a new mandate to ban all firearms from the solar system wheter we call and ask for information or not on the other hand with due respect to the editor of the blue press just becaue mike makes damned good presses dies powder scales and got tired of lees atacks does not mean that every dillon fan follows what mike calls for like he was karesh and we were transdillidians our local state assemblyman has called for a complete ban on all non bolt action military rifles and all assault weapons a 7 day wait for purchase permits it currently takes 10 to 14 working days here in nc and one permit year the flood of calls he got was 7 for and 3 against guess who called supporting his move guess what ila is doing right chl cars re rfi art of clutchless shifting jong halcyon com barking weasel writes schludermann sscvx1 ssc gov writes my technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently wrist back on the shift lever if for some reason i miss the shift window i lightly press the accelerator try agian ive found that clutchless shifting is eaiser quicker at high rpms 4000 7000 i also skip gears some times using 1 3 5 1 2 4 5 sounds about right i usually slip it out during throttle down and then blip the throttle and wait until it feels like things are right usually about a second and then slip it into gear so how did you guys learn this is it something you were born with or did you make horrible grinding noises the first few times how many times i would think youd have to have a certain amount of feel for it to begin with some people would never get it and others like me would never have the guts to try it unless maybe you were planning to buy a new transmission anyway btw ive heard that quite a few truckers and race car drivers shift this way zaphod madnix uucp ron bean uwvax astroatc nicmad madnix zaphod medicine re hypodermic needle in article c60vij co6 eis calstate edu becky olsen bolsen eis calstate edu writes hi i am doing a term paper on the syringe and i have found some information it is said that charles pravaz has invented the hypodermic needle but then i have also found that alexander wood has invented it does anyone know which one it is of if it was anyone else if there is anymore information that is out there could you please send it to me thank you very much becky olsen looking in the evolution of anaesthesia by m h armstrong davison pub williams wilkins baltimore 1965 i found the following chronology 1853 charles gabriel pravaz 1791 1853 inventor of the galvanocautery describes a glass syringe with tapered nozzle this syringe was intended to be used with a special trocar for injecting ferric chloride into aneurysms and thus to heal them by coagulation 1853 alexander wood 1817 84 of edinburgh invents the hypodermic needle and adapts pravazs syringe for use with it you might also be interested to read about the experiments of sir christopher wren in 1656 described by oldenberg clarck in the philosophical transactions of the royal society in 1665 using a sharpened quill and a pigs bladder he injected opium wine and beer into the veins of dogs don mackie um anesthesiology will disavow guns reminder denver rally tomorrow monster rally for the right to own and carry weapons tomorrow sunday april 18 1993 from 1 00 to 3 30 p m the denver libertarian party will sponsor a rally at the state capitol in support of the individual right to own and carry weapons speakers will include former colorado deputy attorney general david kopel radio host ken hamblin dlp chair david segal pistol instructor lenda jackson and novelist l neil smith your presence and participation are highly welcome for more information call david segal at 303 296 4059 cathy smith my opinions are of course my own medicine burzynskis antineoplastons ive recently listened to a tape by dr stanislaw burzynski in which he claims to have discovered a series naturally occuring peptides with anti cancer properties that he names antineoplastons burzynski says that his work has met with hostility in the united states despite the favorable responses of his subjects during clinical trials what is the generally accepted opinion of dr burzynskis research he paints himself as a lone researcher with a new breakthrough battling an intolerant medical establishment but i have no basis from which to judge his claims two weeks ago however i read that the nihs department of alternative medicine has decided to focus their attention on burzynskis work their budget is so small that i imagine they wouldnt investigate a treatment that didnt seem promising any opinions on burzynskis antineoplastons or information about the current status of his research would be appreciated joshua schwimmer jschwimmer eagle wesleyan edu religion re is it good that jesus died brian ceccarelli wrote thats me kent i am not accusing you of evil things jesus is accusing you and it is not only you that he is accusing he is accusing everyone me you and everyone in the world is guilty whether one sees the light or does not seen the light has nothing to do with whether we do evil things we do them regardless kent sandvik responds hmm it seems that this is the core of christianity then you have to feel guilty i think i see where you are coming from kent jesus doesnt view guilt like our modern venacular colors it feelings have nothing to do with guilt feelings arise from the state of being guilty feeling and guilt are mutally exclusive feelings are a reaction from guilt jesus is talking about the guilt state not the reaction let me give you an example have you ever made a mistake have you ever lied to someone even a little white lie have you ever claimed to know something that you really didnt know have you ever hated someone have you ever been selfish are you guilty of any one of these the answer is of course yes you are guilty period that is it what jesus is getting at no big surprise feelings do not even enter the picture consider jesuss use of the word guilt as how a court uses it jesus is concerned that everyone should admit that they are guilty of being imperfect the bible calls it the state that we are all sinners we all do bad things even the most insignficant thing that we do wrong is proof of our guilt that we are all sinners it is it in our nature to do bad things we are sinners therefore we do bad things being a sinner is fact it is not a pleasant fact but it is just a fact we are not perfect calling us sinners should have no more emotional charge to you than calling you a human being guilty as charged and then theres this single personality that will save you from this universal guilt feeling you can handle your guilt in one of two ways acknowledge you made a mistake learn from it and try to not do it again in the meantime not punishing yourself for it which is the way jesus wants you to handle or it this is the healthy way or two the destructive way put yourself down slap yourself and feel like crap never forgive yourself force yourself to say a thousand hail marys even to suicide this the way jesus does not want us to deal with it all people fall into this category to some extent in their lives jesus is not in the business of saving us from this guilt feeling jesus is in the business of showing us how much he loves us despite our guilt jesus knows we are guilty that isnt new to him it is no big deal to him he just wants you to realize that this sinful nature destroys the relationship between you and him that is what he wants you to know why because he wants to have your company you are immensely valuable to him jesus wants a relationship with you however in our present sinful nature we are incapable of having this relationship god is perfect we are not you cannot fit a square peg into a round hole however god has provided a way for us to change our nature so that we can have a relationship with him god has provided jesus so that whosoever just believes in jesus will have their nature changed the holy spirit will move it and now divine nature is now within lives our very being and us and god communicate with each through his unifying holy spirit the benefits of this are endless for with the divine nature living within us we can now see our imperfections better we can now head them off at the pass with the power of the holy spirit living in us we now have his power to help us overcome our shortcomings because the divine nature lives within us we can now understand profound bible passages that never before we could understand because the divine nature now lives within us we now have authority over demonic forces and lastly because the divine nature now lives within us we have eternal life for the holy spirit is eternal the relationship with jesus is of the utmost importance because it is not what you do in life that qualifies you to belong to heavenly kingdom it is your relationship to the living god remember what jesus said at the tail end of matthew when he separated the goats from the sheep many people in the last day will ask him didnt i prophesy in your name and do miracles and do good things in your name and what did jesus say depart from me for i never knew you that is the cornerstone of christianity kent jesus must know you as his friend it is your relationship to jesus if he is your friend and you are his you will be counted among those who will share in his inheritance in heaven brian i will tell you a secret i dont feel guilty at all i do mistakes and i regret them however ive never had this huge guilt feeling hanging over my shoulder good it shows that you have a strong self image that you love yourself that is the second greatest commandment jesus taught if only more people could do as you do as i said before in the common english venacular feeling guilty has a different meaning than the state of guilt this all is a very clear indication that you need a certain personality type in order to believe and adjust to certain religious doctrines and if your personality type is opposite then you are not that easily attached to a certain world view system i believe what we all need in our personalities is a lot less ego a lot less self centeredness and a lot more unconditional love there are humans that subscribe to the same notion the nice thing is that when you finally shake off this huge burden the shoulders feel far more relaxed yes you have stated what jesus said remember come to me take my yoke upon your shoulders for my burden is light a yoke is used to direct oxen to do work once you have a relationship with jesus you and him share the yoke and the burdens of life having god at your side is of great advantage medicine re allergic reactions against laser printers laser printers often emit ozone which smells sort of like clorox adequate ventilation is recommended michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi medicine physical therapy students i am interested in finding other physical therapy students on the net if you are one or you know anyone could you get into contact with me via email my address is gecko camelot bradley edu thankyou anastasia baseball re fenway gif in article c5jb3d 9nt umassd edu acsddc smucs1 umassd edu writes i was wondering if anyone had any kind of fenway park gif i would appreciate it if someone could send me one thanks in advance dan me too and any yankee stadium gifs as well please thanx in advance mike feszczyszyn guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news in article c4u3x5 fw7 magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes i dont know how anyone can state that gun control could have no effect on homicide rates i dont think anyone is arguing that there would be no effect but there would be no net positive effect you also have to consider the negative side law abiding citizens armed with fireamrs pistols for the most part prevent between 80 000 national crime survey and 1 000 000 dr kleck crimes each year those are the extremes most studies find the number to be 500 000 to 600 000 about 1 of those crimes are homicides so private ownership of firearms saves approximately 5 000 lives each year there are roughly 12 000 criminal homicides and fatal accidents involving guns each year for there to be any net benefit you would have to show that gun control measures would disarm over 40 of the criminals currently using guns that would be very hard to do according the the federal batf only 8 of criminals buy their guns over the counter since gun control laws by their very nature only effect legal sales such a law would remove all the benefits of armed law abiding citizens while having only a minimal effect on armed criminals who by and large get their guns illegally that doesnt sound like a net benefit to me there were over 250 accidental handgun homicides in america in 1990 most with licensed weapons since most were with licensed weapons i assume you are not supporting reasonable laws i e waiting periods background checks licenses etc since only a complete ban would alter the statistic you refer to i assume thats what you are supporting by the way 1135 people dies in 1986 from falling down stairs 250 accidental handgun deaths isnt significant next to other household accidents more american children accidentally shot other children last year 15 than all the handgun homicides in great britain 1080 children under the age of 10 died by drowning 69 from drinking poisonous household chemicals like drano 139 from falls if the real goal is to reduce the tragic accidental deaths of children wouldnt a ban on drain cleaners be a better palce to start or perhaps restricting ownership to professionals like plumbers please no dictionary arguments about rates vs total numbers okay theyre offered for emphasis not comparison while you might call it emphasis refering to completely two statistics in the same sentence implies a comparison if it isnt valid and you put the numbers together to convince people you are right the kindest thing i could call it is propaganda frank crary cu boulder guns re ban all firearms as quoted from c5j5im 3c9 cbnewsc cb att com by rats cbnewsc cb att com morris the cat firearms tend to fall into this low dollar pound area it would not be economic to smuggle them in all production would have to be local there are not all that many people who have both the skill and motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch high ranking crime figures could obtain imported uzis and such but the average person and average thug would be lucky to get a zip gun and would pay through the nose for it this is not borne out of reality the old soviet union had a very serious domestic handgun and submachinegun trade guns that were of commercial grade because they were produced in honest to goodness machineshops why would all production have to be local dont we have a road system that is the envy of the world if anybody wanted proof of the nonsense of the you cant build guns claim they need look no farther than the philippines amateur gunsmiths there regularly produce everything from 45 automatics to full auto shotguns now if this guy wants to claim that the philippines is either technologically superior to the us or that their transportation is better than ours all i can say is that hes living in a fantasy world youre like a bunch of over educated new york jewish aclu lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in arkansas holly silva cars re too fast in article 3090 shaman wv tek com andrew frip wv tek com andrew klossner wr ites can i ask have any of you been at the speed of 130 its a rush so is cocaine whats your point andrew klossner andrew frip wv tek com yeah and the cop couldnt catch me cars re auto air conditioning without freon in article 1993apr15 222600 11690 research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com chris behanna writes several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for r12 you dont hear about them because the mobile air conditioning society macs that is the people who stand to rake in that 300 to 1000 per retrofit per automobile have mounted an organized campaign to squash those r12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether on very shaky technical grounds at best on outright lies at worst now im not saying youre wrong because i know that the r 12 substitutes exist but this sounds a lot like the 200mpg carbs that the oil companies keep us all from getting mark baseball re hbp bb big cat kubey sgi com ken kubey said i suppose a foul ball machine like brett butler is pretty valuable but id rather watch and root for the lower obp guys who can actually hit the ball now this is a legitimate point baseball is entertainment and i have no quarrel with people who find certain styles of play more entertaining than others regardless of their win value personally im a huge fan of the slug bunt i doubt its a high percentage play but i get a big kick out of it i am willing to live with the bad consequences in exchange for the fun of course this is not the same as claiming as some do that galarragas inability to defer gratification isnt hurting his team because he isnt paid to walk or is an rbi guy or whatever and finally id like to point out that many high obp guys draw their walks more because pitchers are afraid to throw a strike to them than because they have a great eye im not sure i used to think this was true but more and more im becoming convinced that its the other way around among players with the physical ability to hit the ball real hard the patient ones are the ones who get the chance to do it a lot lets break down the four basic categories of hitter according to whether they are power threats and whether they walk a lot power no power patient frank thomas brett butler barry bonds ozzie smith mark mcgwire craig grebeck babe ruth miller huggins ted williams billy hamilton rickey henderson eddie joost joe morgan mike hargrove impatient ernie banks ozzie guillen dave kingman shawon dunston joe carter andres thomas george bell jose lind kirby puckett devon white etc as far as i can tell all the categories are full it really looks like the two are independent nobody could possibly be afraid of craig grebeck at the plate and yet he walks quite a lot part of that undoubtedly is being small of stature but surely major league pitchers can hit that sort of target at least 3 times out of 6 randy milligan is an even better example hes only shown noticeable power for one partial season but he walks all over the place despite his huge strike zone david m tate dtate pitt edu greetings sir with bat not quick member iie orsa tims sabr hands not soft eye not discerning and in denver they call you a slugger the big catullus galarraga and compare you to my own mattingly windows re utility for updating win ini and system ini sp odin fna no svein pedersen writes sorry i did nt tell exactly what i need i need a utility for automatic updating deleting adding changing of ini files for windows the program should run from dos batchfile or the program run a script under windows i will use the utility for updating the win ini and other files on meny pc s do i find it on any ftp host svein well in the latest windows magazine there is an advertisement for a program that will help you uninstall windows apps from your harddisk uninstaller but it can be used to update a network but only for deleting not adding or changing their ini files uninstaller by microhelp inc 79 1 800 922 3383 i am also looking for an ini updater for my pc network and so far without any luck so for the time being i have been pushing dos and its batch language to its limit look into dos 5 0s i am assumming that dos 6 0 has the same command maybe even more or less improved replace command i use this to update our users personal files with a master set in a batch file that is run everytime they invoke windows this basically overwrites their color schemes but does what i need it to do not neat but does the job im looking for a better solution though mike just relaying what i know a not for profit service mike bendtsen msbendts mtu edu 740 elm st apt 4 ccli senior technical consultant hancock mi 49930 michigan technological university windows re adding icons to progman exe florian piekert floppy s link escape de wrote 09 05 93 14 48 hi out there is there anybody who can write me how to add icons to the iconlist which is build into of progman exe im grateful for every clue thanx and have a nice day one way is to use a program called iconmaster its shareware and if you cant get it mail me and ill post it to you matthew simpkin kingston university a primitive race you too cs e373 kingston ac uk computer science shall be asimilated cars re opel owners in article 1993apr20 231748 26273 convex com maynard convex com mark maynard writes newsgroups rec autos path llpost ll mit edu xn ll mit edu ames agate howland reston ans net bogus sura net news feed 1 peachnet edu gatech swrinde dptspd tamsun tamu edu news utdallas edu convex convex maynard from maynard convex com mark maynard subject re opel owners message id 1993apr20 231748 26273 convex com sender mark maynard nntp posting host trojan convex com organization convex computer corporation richardson tx usa references gibbonsa 735339907 sfu ca c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu distribution rec autos date tue 20 apr 93 19 17 48 gmt 5 00 x disclaimer this message was written by a user at convex computer corp the opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of convex lines 22 in article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca darren gibbons writes im looking for information on opel cars now you ask which model well the sad truth is im not entirely sure but its a two seater with roll over headlights hard top and really sporty looking gibbonsa sfu ca this would be the manta would it not sold through buick dealers in the mid 70s as the price leader chintan amin sounds more like an opel gt neat cars fun to drive sold through buick from 196 through 1973 if i remember correctly i believe it was in 72 that there were some engine mods made such that parts were not interchangeable with the older models parts are thus much harder to come by for the later models parts in general are not too difficult to find at one time jc whitney carried some stuff including a brand new not remfg long block either a gt or a kharman ghia hmm that spelling looks hosed will be my next project mark in 1972 they lowered the engine compression so that it would run on regular gas not to mention the addition of emission controls the 72 also added pop out rear quarter windows alot of parts are available for the gt from c r small cars in ct and used from bill daleys opel parts in ma matthew r singer mit lincoln laboratory 617 981 3771 244 wood street singer ll mit edu lexington ma 02173 cars re lois chevrolet the chevrolet brothers were respected racers test drivers for the buick co when durant was there when the directors kicked durant out of gm in 1910 he took chevrolet and others with him as mentioned before they founded the successful chevrolet company a little known fact is that the chevrolet co actually took over gm that was how durant got back in charge of gm legally his new company chevrolet co did the buying and gm was a division of chevrolet after 1920 and into the sloan era gm shuffled things so that the gm board was superior but there was always a degree of autonomy given the chevy division presumably because of the initial structure if you look at the organization chart for gm in sloans book chevy division reports directly to 14th floor not through the passenger car division which covers buick olds cadillac and oakland pontiac jeff hagen minor deity of worthless auto trivia hagenjd ac wfu edu medicine neurasthenia in article 1993apr21 174553 812 spdcc com dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes responds well if youre not otherwise immunocompromised norings anal retentive idee fixe on having a fungal infection in his sinuses is not even in the same category here nor are these walking neurasthenics who are convinced they have candida from reading a quack book speaking of which has anyone else been impressed with how much the descriptions of neurasthenia published a century ago sound like cfs gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon baseball re game length was re braves update in article 1993apr20 085508 5787 wvnvms wvnet edu nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes in article 1993apr19 194025 8967 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes however what is with this policy of trying to speed up the games you are the first person non mediot i have seen endorse this policy i have no problem with the length of games at all and am tired of the espn crowd and other announcers bitching about it i have never been in a ballpark filled with people looking at their watches and shouting hurry up if i cough up big bucks for a ticket i dont mind a game that last more than 2 10 i really dont understand it major league baseball is trying to expand its appeal to people with shorter attention spans i e the football crowd invariably all the arguments from people who dont like to watch baseball on t v say the same thing the games are too long and too boring baseball is trying to find a way to shorten the games for wider t v appeal if you look at it though baseball games last around the same amount of time as football games the difference is that there is more action in that duration in football games perhaps if there were more action in baseball games you would get more of those fans to tune in anyway coming up with a solution to make baseball more appealing to a bigger crowd is going to be difficult on soapbox yet another reason to get a commisioner now since its obvious that ruling baseball by comittee works about as fast as a snail race in nebraska off soapbox steve steve conroy conroy terminus saic com im gone man solid gone science applications baloo international corporation cars re ford and the auto hello my name is russell wong and i am doing a research project on henry ford and his automobile i need information on whether ford is partially responsible for all of the car accidents and the depletion of the ozone layer also any other additional information will be greatly appreciated thanks so would mr benz eh and mr chevy mr toyokogio and mr insert car name here dan reed blu cellar org eat your pets poke out your eyes kill your boss burn down your house move to elmer nj rip out your nose hairs with a lead holder use x acto knives for dental work hit your mother people get a life md windows where to find diamond speedstar 24x drivers the subject says nearly everything i am talking about the accellerator card note the x not about the et4000 product without x please mail me the address of an appropriate ftp server thanx claudius mokler e mail mokler desert in berlin de windows win nt file systems ok will some one out there tell me why how dos 5 can read i havnt tried writing in case it breaks something the win nt ntfs file system i thought ntfs was supposed to be better than the fat system keith guns re constitutionality of 18 u s c 922 o in article 1993apr15 142322 1318 atlastele com brians atlastele com brian sheets writes you know i was reading 18 u s c 922 and something just did not make sence and i was wondering if someone could help me out say u s c 922 1 except as provided in paragraph 2 it shall be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun well i got to looking in my law dictionary and i found that a person might also be an artificial entity that is created by government and has no rights under the federal constitution so what i dont understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on an individual so someone tell me how my government can tell me what i can or cannot possess just passing a law does not make it law sorry but i really cant figure out what youre trying to say above everyone knows that laws are constitional until it goes to court not exactly an unconstitutional act is not law it confers no rights it imposes no duties affords no protection it creates no office it is in legal contemplation as inoperative as though it had never been passed norton vs shelby county 118 us 425 p 442 the general rule is that an unconstitutional statute though having the form and name of law is in reality no law but is wholly void and ineffective for any purpose since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it no on is bound to obey an uncontitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it 16 am jur 2d sec 177 late 2d sec 256 so has it ever gone to court not just your run of the mill ok i had it i am guilty put me in jail has anyone ever claimed that they had a right to possess and was told by the supreme court that they didnt have that right automatic weapons no the supreme court has never heard such a case cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet medicine re options before back surgery for protruding disc at l4 l5 subject options before back surgery for protruding disc at l4 l5 from alex miller amiller almaden ibm com date 13 apr 93 18 30 42 gmt in article 2241 coyote uucp alex miller amiller almaden ibm com writes after two weeks of limping around with an acute pain in my low back and right leg my osteopath sent me to get an mri which revealed a protruding and extruded disc at l4 l5 i went to a neurosurgeon who prescribed prednisole a steroidal anti inflamitory and bed rest for several days its been nearly a week and overall i feel slightly worse i take darvocet three times a day so i can deal with daily activities like preparing food and help me get to sleep ill see the neurosurgeon tomorrow and of course ill be asking whether or not this rest is helpful or if surgery is the next step what are my non surgical options if my goal is to resume full activity including competitive cycling i should add this condition is in my opinion the result of commulative wear and tear ive had chronic low back pain for years but i managed you dont say whether or not you have any symptoms other than pain if you have numbness weakness or bladder problems for example these would suggest a need for surgery if pain is your only symptom you might do well to find a reputable multi disciplinary pain clinic in your area chronic low back pain generally doesnt do well with surgery acute on chronic pain as only symptom doesnt fare much better e correlation between mri findings and symptoms is controversial don mackie his opinions um will disavow cars re need info on porsche 914s in article 6126 midway uchicago edu buzy quads uchicago edu len buzyna writes hi there ive recently been toying with the idea of purchasing an old 914 the going rate seems to be about 4000 for cars with anywhere from 40 80k mi my question is this what should i expect at this price should i expect to have extensive body work done what about engine transmission should i likewise expect to have both virtually replaced along those lines does anyone have the names addresses of any mail order parts suppliers for everything from engine to body parts im completely new to the area of restoring cars and as i dont actually do any work with cars most of the work would have to be professionally done what sould i expect the cost of upgrading a 914 to a rust free mechanically sound automobile thanks in advance andre true 914 enthusiasts will be able to give you a better answer then this but ill dump my impressions ive wanted to own a 914 for about 10 years now came close once but i ended up buying a fiero instead biggest mistake of my life anyway for 4000 you should be able to get a nice car but your also set in the price range to get taken by a nice looker that is a pile of shit the most common total failure for the car would be frame rust between the engine and passenger compartment also look for chassis welded together here oh yeah the price range you are talking about must be the 4 banger a 6 if you could find one would be mucho more bucks parts for the engine are pretty easy to come by for an old car and you can even locate crude in the jc whitney catalog if you have too the machine itself is pretty simple they use the spare tire for windshild washer instead of a pump fer chris sake so getting it fixed by a good bug porsche mechanic would be easy since it is mid engine you may spend more on labor for any mechanical work jeff miller network systems corporation internetwork group 7600 boone avenue north jmiller network com minneapolis mn 55428 612 424 4888 guns re community spirited drug dealers was strippers sylvain netcom com nicholas sylvain writes value gun shops where all the citys many fine community spirited drug dealers arm themselves such a fine posting with the exception of these particular lines i hope you dont really think that your average drug dealer actually purchases his gun s from a legal source as a matter of fact i know it there were several shootings recently in which the guns had been purchased at the baltimore gunsmith on broadway a favorite place to get cheap popular pieces by popular i am referring to the kinds of guns our local youth gangs like pistol grip shotguns cheap magnums and tec 9s i hate to poke a hole in your bubble but i was referring to a specific gunstore and specific incidents any other questions mjr windows program manager problem does anyone know how to configure a dos app in progman so that only one instance of it can be running at a time id really appreciate some help on how to do this i would prefer responses through email if its not a big deal or at least through email as well as posting thank you james e lee jelee hamlet ucdavis edu i swear by my life and my love of it that i will never live for the sake of another man nor ask another man to live for mine john galt atlas shrugged baseball no no box boston 0 at seattle 7 boston ab r h bi seattle ab r h bi riles 2b 3 0 0 0 felder lf 4 0 1 1 quintana rf 2 0 0 0 cotto dh 3 0 0 0 greenwell lf 3 0 0 0 sasser ph 1 0 0 0 dawson dh 3 0 0 0 griffey jr cf 4 0 0 0 m vaughn 1b 3 0 0 0 buhner rf 3 1 0 0 calderon cf 3 0 0 0 boone 2b 4 2 3 2 cooper 3b 3 0 0 0 t martinez 1b 3 1 1 0 john valentin ss 3 0 0 0 blowers 3b 4 1 2 1 pena c 3 0 0 0 valle c 4 1 2 2 vizquel ss 4 1 2 0 totals 26 0 0 0 totals 34 7 11 6 boston 000 000 000 0 seattle 022 102 00x 7 e greenwell dp boston 1 seattle 1 lob boston 1 seattle 6 hr boone 1 off hesketh sb felder 4 blowers 1 ip h r er bb so hr boston hesketh l 2 1 3 6 5 5 2 1 1 quantrill 2 2 3 4 2 1 0 2 0 fossas 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 gr harris 1 0 0 0 1 2 0 k ryan 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 seattle bosio w 1 1 9 0 0 0 2 4 0 hesketh pitched to two batters in the fourth so bos dawson m vaughn john valentin cooper sea buhner 2 griffey jr blowers boone bb bos riles quintana sea felder buhner t martinez umpires hp voltaggio 1b kaiser 2b johnson 3b mckean t 2 12 a 13 604 baseball re why is barry bonds not batting 4th in article 1993apr21 060530 26367 leland stanford edu bohnert leland stanford edu matthew bohnert writes consistent hitter definitely the best in the national league imho to have williams a streaky hitter and not really a clutch hitter batting 4th ahead of bonds is simply an injustice to the giants and fans of the giants 2 having bonds batting behind williams means that matt will get more good pitches to hit this is important since he struggles so much with breaking balls opposing pitchers dont want to walk williams to get to bonds youre definitely correct in that williams absolutely has to be sandwiched in between clark and bonds he must and i mean must get fastballs to hit otherwise he becomes little more than sixto lezcano in disguise what i would suggest is perhaps batting bonds williams and clark 3 4 5 the reason being that i feel bonds potential basestealing abilities are wasted when hes stuck behind two slow runners i think the chance of getting 20 30 extra stolen bases with bonds in the 3 spot would more than offset any drop in in run production by having clark in the 5 spot matt williams does not like hitting cleanup secondly bonds and clark in that order are a lot more productive with runners in scoring position than matt i am streaky free swinger williams sanjeev cars re sho clutch question grinding noise in article 5243 unisql uucp wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes in article c5h6f8 ldu news rich bnr ca jcyuhn crchh574 nosubdomain nodomain james yuhn writes thats not the clutch youre hearing its the gearbox early shos have a lot of what is referred to as gear rollover noise you can generally i have one of the first shos built and mine doesnt make this noise geez wharfie do you have to be so difficult mine was built in december 88 which qualifies as pretty dang early and it most certainly grinds away jim religion re a kind and loving god malcolm lee mlee post royalroads ca wrote i will clarify my earlier quote gods laws were originally written for the israelites jesus changed that fact by now making the law applicable to all people not just the jews gentiles could be part of the kingdom of heaven through the saving grace of god i never said that the law was made obsolete by jesus just for reference heres the earlier quote malcolm lee mlee post royalroads ca wrote in reference to leviticus 21 9 and deuteronomy 22 20 25 these laws written for the israelites gods chosen people whom god had expressly set apart from the rest of the world the israelites were a direct witness to gods existence to disobey god after knowing that god is real would be an outright denial of god and therefore immediately punishable remember these laws were written for a different time and applied only to gods chosen people but jesus has changed all of that we are living in the age of grace sin is no longer immediately punishable by death there is repentance and there is salvation through our lord jesus christ and not just for a few chosen people salvation is available to everyone jew and gentile alike these are two conflicting statements to say one is a clarification of the other is a breach of logic i dont mind people shifting their position on an issue it irritates me when it is said under the premise that no change was made what about deuteronomy 22 20 25 is it wrong now did jesus change that if anything he clarified the law such as in that quote you made in the following verses jesus takes several portions of the law and expounds upon the law giving clearer meaning to what god intended sure he does this however he doesnt address the notion of stoning non virgin brides because this needs no clarification are you going to deny that deuteronomy 22 20 25 is not patently clear in its intent i think you will agree with me that there are in todays world a lot of modern day pharisees who know the bible from end to end but do not believe in it what good is head knowledge if there is nothing in the heart ill agree that there is a lot of modern day pharisees that know the bible from end to end and dont believe in it depending on how they use this knowledge they can be scary they can argue any position they desire and back it up with selected parts of the bible such pharisees include david koresh and adolph hitler i will qualify this by saying i dont know if they actually believed what they were preaching but the ends certainly made the means look frightening however just as scary are those that dont know much of the bible but believe every word in fact this is probably scarier since there are far more of these people from what ive seen in addition they are very easy to manipulate by the aforementioned pharisees since they dont know enough to debate with these people christianity is not just a set of rules its a lifestyle that changes ones perspectives and personal conduct and it demands obedience to gods will no it demands obedience to a book if god came down and personally told me how i should behave then i would say that i would be doing gods will by doing it however if preachers pastors and evangelists tell me to obey the will of a book written by people who have been dead for close to two millenia even longer for the ot even if i follow everything in it with my heart i could scarcely be honest with myself by saying im doing the will of god some people can live by it but many others cannot or will not that is their choice and i have to respect it because god respects it too well if god respects it so much how come there is talk in the bible about eternal damnation for non believers i see little respect eminating from the god of the bible i see a selfish and spiteful god god be with you not yours thanks malcolm lee rob lanphier lanphi872 snake cs uidaho edu lanph872 uidaho edu and for the curious here is my earlier post hmm for a book that only applied to the israelites deuteronomy jesus sure quoted it a lot mt 4 4 7 10 in addition he alludes to it in several other places mt 19 7 8 mk 10 3 5 jn 5 46 47 and just in case it isnt clear jesus thought the old testament isnt obsolete ill repeat the verse in matthew which gets quoted on this group a lot do not think that i have come to abolish the law or the prophets i have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them i tell you the truth until heaven and earth disappear not the smallest letter not the least stroke of a pen will by any means disappear from the law until everything is accomplished anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven for i tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the pharisees and the teachers of the law you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven mt 5 17 20 niv in pretty red letters so that you know its jesus talking this causes a serious dilemma for christians who think the old testament doesnt apply to them i think thats why paul harvey likes quoting it so much cars re bimmer vs beamer mark monninger markm latium wrote although not in direct response to the referenced article just to set the record straight beamers are bmw motorcycles bmw cars are bimmers please lets get our terms straight actually some purists would argue that the only true bimmer is a round tail light 2002 or 1600 mark back when i was building round tail light 2002s they were bimmers it was only when the red suspendered reganomics generated quiche eating yuppies got into the market that they became beamers and the hood ornaments started disappering andrei baseball box score abbrev woes can anybody figure out why some box score abbreviations make absolutely no sense at least in the local gannett rag that finds its way to my door i must have stared at cleman in the mets box for a good 30 seconds this morning wondering who the hell it was wouldnt it make more sense to use colemn jay baseball re pinch hitters was re denny walling rickert nextwork rose hulman edu john h rickert said and i thought mota didnt really start pinch hitting for a living until after 1973 depends on what you mean by for a living 1974 was the year he led the league in pinch hit at bats with 50 but hed been getting a lot of ph abs earlier than that and was never a full time player 20 35 ph abs early in his career 15 20 a year just before going to the dodgers and 30 50 in the peak years were talking about a guy with a 20 year career as an outfielder a 300 career batting average and 1130 or so career hits david m tate i do not know what it is about you that closes posing as and opens only something in me understands e e can the pocket of your glove is deeper than pete roses dy cummings nobody not even tim raines has such soft hands guns re what if the dividians were black in article c5yeab hac news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article 1993apr9 134525 21567 medtron medtronic com rn11195 medtronic com robert nehls writes kenneth d whitehead kdw icd ab com wrote oleary cbnewsh cb att com brian m leary writes questions for the media and the politically correct if the people in the compound were black and the guys in ninja suits some of the davidians are black next question still thinking you have all the answers eh jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 guns two found shot inside compound today the texas me found two people a man and a woman shot in the head inside the burned compound but these were not the people that the fbi described a few days before the fbi said that the person found in front of the compound had been shot and several children were also the two people found today were on top of the main inside concrete bunker that provided the most protection during the fire so the comment that children were shot is still not proved defend your 2nd amendment rights nra aclu vfw fred brooks portland oregon windows re visual c in article 1rgr7v 6ga lll winken llnl gov david a fuess writes it is correct that vc is not considered an upgrade for c7 c7 is basically a dos product vc is a windows product as windows is not an upgrade for dos it is a separate operating system product line its utilities cannot be upgrades for dos utilities however i have also been told that it is not an upgrade for qcwin which it should be you can upgrade msc 7 0 and qcwin to the visual c products as follows standard edition list price 199 upgrade from qcwin 79 competitive upgrade 99 professional edition list price 499 upgrade from msc 7 0 139 competitive upgrade 199 includes upgrades from other ms language products like qcwin michael goo hewlett packard i never try to cover my ass information networks division but i certainly support your right to do so 19420 homestead road ms 43lt cupertino ca 95014 9974 goo hpinddh cup hp com baseball rockies opening day cast here is the colorado rockies openning day cast pitchers scott aldred l mlb totals 31 games 6 14 5 08 era 0 saves andy ashby r 18 games 2 8 6 72 era 0 saves willie blair r 67 games 10 15 4 57 era 0 saves butch henry l 28 games 6 9 4 02 era 0 saves darren holmes r 95 games 5 9 4 10 era 9 saves david neid r 6 games 3 0 1 17 era 0 saves jeff parrett r 341 games 46 30 3 65 era 21 saves steve reed r 18 games 1 0 2 30 era 0 saves bruce ruffin l 223 games 43 64 4 31 era 3 saves bryn smith r 354 games 106 90 3 44 era 6 saves gary wayne l 147 games 8 8 3 44 era 3 saves the rest joe girardi c 304 games 262 3 hr 70 rbi 10 sb danny sheaffer c 32 games 110 1 hr 5 rbi 0 sb freddie benavides ss 98 games 246 1 hr 20 rbi 1 sb vinny castilla ss 21 games 238 0 hr 1 rbi 0 sb andres galarraga 1b 942 games 267 116hr 472 rbi 59 sb charlie hayes 3b 530 games 250 48 hr 219 rbi 13 sb jim tatum 3b 5 games 125 0 hr 0 rbi 0 sb eric young 2b 49 games 258 1 hr 11 rbi 6 sb dante bichette of 424 games 254 38 hr 176 rbi 40 sb daryl boston of 882 games 250 65 hr 224 rbi 97 sb jerald clark of 339 games 237 28 hr 126 rbi 5 sb alex cole of 290 games 283 0 hr 49 rbi 83 sb gerald young of 605 games 246 3 hr 109 rbi 153 sb dale murphy of 15 seasons 266 398 hr 1259 rbi baseball era formula hello as the subject tells all i am trying to find out what is the formula to calculate the era for the pitchers if any of you baseball fans have it please e mail me at napoli atc olivetti com thank you very much gaetano napolitano cars re warning please read tobias convex com allen tobias writes in article 1993apr15 024246 8076 virginia edu ejv2j virginia edu erik vel this happened about a year ago on the washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass four or five cars were hit there were several serious injuries and sadly a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck in the head by one of the larger rocks i dont recall if she made it but i think she was comatose for a month or so and doctors werent holding out hope that shed live what the hell is happening to this great country of ours i can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such but 20 pound rocks has our society really stooped this low erik velapold society as we have known it it coming apart at the seams the basic reason is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is no big deal kids see hundreds on murderous acts on tv we can abort children on demand and kill the sick and old at will so why be surprised when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people they dont care because the message they hear is life is cheap at well people fortunatly or unfortunatly only the us is experiencing the devaluation of human life among developed nations i am an american but i was raised in europe where the worst thing that can happen to somebody is get his car broken into or have his pocket picked by slaves or russian refugees of cource there will be some nutcases but thats extremely rare i e in greece you can walk through any neighborhood at any time during the night without even worrying in germany you can walk the sidewalks at 4 00 am and not even look behind your back at the sanitation crews that clean the streets to a sparkling cleen whoever of you have been there you know what i am saying i dont have any easy answers but if we as a nation do some selfcritisism we might get somewhere of course these postings sould be in soc culture us but if we reduce crime here it ll mean less car insurance rates thus we could spend more money on modifing our cars now my posting is rec autos tech revelant vlasis theodore software engineer idb mobile communications sig under development windows winqvtnet with ndis on token ring is it possible to use winqvt net on a machine that uses ndis to connect to a token ring i tried it with older versions 3 2 but got an invalid packet class error or something the like regards wim van holder katholieke universiteit leuven tel 32 0 16 28 57 16 departement t e w fax 32 0 16 28 57 99 dekenstraat 2 b 3000 leuven e mail wimvh liris tew kuleuven ac be belgium fdbaq03 cc1 kuleuven ac be windows hiragana katakana tt fonts newsgroups comp os ms windows misc subject hiragana katakana tt fonts keywords hiragana katakana truetype japanese where can i obtain truetype hiragana and katakana japanese phonetic character fonts note i can receive mail at the address in the header but i cannot send kw 8 religion re on line copy of book of mormon in article 1993apr23 163823 24226 ads com wmoore ads com william moore writes can anyone provide me a ftp site where i can obtain a online version of the book of mormon please email the internet address if possible i have a copy why are you interested lance lance w bledsoe lwb im4u cs utexas edu 512 258 0112 ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free windows why im not using dos 6 anymore ive been running dos 6 for about a month i was generally impressed with the improvements the multiple boot configurations were great the new commands were nice and doublespace worked fine twice as slow for large data transfers twice as fast for small with smartdrv until now this morning at 4 am while i was working on my research paper i had to reboot a hung dos program that did no disk i o from within windows 3 1 when my machine finished rebooting i found my windows directory and about two thirds of my other directories were irreversibly corrupted i cannot afford problems like this im returning to dos 5 mark p s ive also noticed bad sector errors from doublespace where none should exist windows re cirrus logic 5426 graph card in comp os ms windows misc gardner a kosmos wcc govt nz andy gardner writes in article 1qms3c 37t news cs tu berlin de wong cs tu berlin de wolfgang jung writes version 1 3 drivers are due to be release by cirrus soon unfortunately their not available via ftp you have to dial up their bbs in the usa i do this from nz using a 14 4k modem to cut down on phone bills it took me around 7 minutes to download the v1 2 driver could you please upload to any of the ftp sites such as ftp ciaca indiana edu and announce it here this will benefit people does not have access to their bbs in usa like me thanks a lot beng hang tay religion re another assertion about macroevolution in article 1993apr21 215709 16433 rambo atlanta dg com wpr atlanta dg com bill rawlins writes macroevolution has not been observed in action chris colbys example s of speciation with all due respect to chris in the plant example he gave do not consitute macroevolution put another way there are an incredibly huge number of events necessary to bring non life to homo sapiens how many have we directly observed special creation has not been observed in action bill rawlins assertions that man was created in his present form do not count as creation put another way there are an incredible amount of species of the planet how many species have we directly observed being created by a god or gods bill rawlins wpr atlanta dg com chris colby email colby bu bio bu edu my boy he said you are descended from a long line of determined resourceful microscopic tadpoles champions every one kurt vonnegut from galapagos windows re windows help mario veraart mveraart fel tno nl wrote umyin ccu umanitoba ca qing yin writes hi its an easy question for you windows gurus id appreciate any help we need to write an on line help for our application we dont have windows software developers toolkit yet since we just want to build a hlp file around windows help engine i hope it wont be that complicated anyway could someone kindly give me some hints of how to build such an on line help if it does not take 100 pages to explain or if it is complicated would you help to point out what i would need to do it vincent q yin umyin ccu umanitoba ca hi if you have developed your own windows application you must have a sdk of some sort that contains the hc exe or hc31 exe file to compile and generate hlp files out of rtf files no u can download what zip from ftp cica indiana edu this package from ms is all u need to buid simple hlp files from rich text format files rtf this package also contains dot tamplates for ms word4win rtf files are generated by a wordprocessor like word for dos or w4w if this is not the solution be more specific about your application mario mario veraart tno physics and electronics laboratory email rioj7 fel tno nl the hague the netherlands if all else fails show pretty pictures and animated videos and dont talk about performance david bailey medicine re surgery of damaged tendons and median nerve in article bhatt 93apr12161425 wesley src honeywell com bhatt src honeywell com writes i thought i will explore the net wisdom with the following questions is there any better way to control the pain than what the surgeon suggested how long will such pain last will the pain recur in the future no one can answer that if she gets reflex sympathetic dystrophy it could last forever just hope she does not most dont do damaged partially cut tendons heal completely and is all of the finger strength regained how long does it take for the complete healing process sometimes they do and sometimes they dont you just have to do the best job you can reattaching and hope you should know in a few months gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx v16 anyone anyone heard of a cizata v16t its mainly sold in the middle east where they dont have as strict a legislation as in the usa and ec medicine re eye dominance in article c5e2g7 877 world std com rsilver world std com richard silver writes is there a right eye dominance eyedness as there is an overall right handedness in the population i mean do most people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the other if so what kinds of percentages can be attached to this i have a long sighted eye and a short sighted eye my right eye tends to cut out when i look at distant things my left eye when i am close up i had specs to balance things up a bit but could do without them i thought that one way or another i would always be able to see clearly unfortunately middle age is rearing its ugly head and i can no longer see close up objects clearly maybe its just that my arms are getting shorter the floggings will continue until morale improves pchurch swell actrix gen nz pat churchill wellington new zealand baseball re militello update in article 93602 hydra gatech edu gt0523e prism gatech edu michael andre mule writes hey all you yankee fans whove been knocking my prediction of baltimore um how many games have the orioles won you flooded my mailbox with cries of militellos good militellos good he is or will be where is he i noticed he got skipped over after that oh so strong first outing hes not by any chance in columbus now is he please dont tell me youre relying on this guy to be the fourth not the fifth but the fourth starter on this brittle pitching staff no currently theres no room for him in the rotation key is having a most impressive april abbott is pitching well perez is back wickman has pitched his way into the rotation and is holding his spot with an outstanding performance his last time out and kamieniecki isnt doing too poorly himself if the yankees find themselves in need of a starter militello will get another chance until then hell have to wait in line valentine guns re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm 0 90 2 735413309 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes i m not saying you should ban guns or that you should take them away from responsible owners but this is all gun control laws end up doing politicians can never manage to get a handle on those who obtain arms illegally so all their laws can ever do is further restrict people who obtain them legally karen mcnutt a local attorney states that there are about two million licensed gun owners in massachusetts in the past year the number of licensed gun owners involved in gun crimes was something like six yet there were a large number of gun crimes in the state last year does passing laws that will further restricting only those people already obeying laws pay any dividents all i m saing is that guns should be treated with respect from owners sellers and legislators so far ive seen them treated with the least respect by legislators i believe guns are a problem in many countries and that crime rates would fell if they were more restricted see this is what i call the argument from religion i believe dont believe its not necessary to take this on faith go look at the history of countries that passed gun restrictions pay particular attention to whether or not violent crime was higher before the restrictions and lower after dont look at violent gun crimes thats begging the question you may be very surprised if all crimes done with guns stopped and all accidents also stopped or was reduced to a minimum then i would consider lifting all gun control you have this absolutely backwards if crime stopped in the presence of strict gun control there is no way i would consider lifting any of it however if gun control made absolutely no improvement in the violent crime rate thats when i would have it lifted think about it so far none of the stats show any improvement likevise if car accidents fell to a minimum in europe i and probably most people i know would demand easier drivers tests ca 20 hours and more than 2500 today do you really think drivers tests are any indication of your propensity for having accidents ive never known anybody stupid enough to take a driving test while drunk after having been up all night with two fighting kids in the back seat with a hot cup of coffee on their lap or while putting on makeup reading the newspaper or talking on their cellular phone but thats what theyre doing when they have those accidents in other words we should have legislation because it s neccacery how can anything that has no positive effect at all ever be necessary the one gun month case in virginia i was thinking about the reactions on the proposal loud screeming about civil rights and 2 amendment and it didnt help any of it winnie the poh do you want peace or weapons winnie yes please im sorry i dont remember any story where winnie the pooh was offered weapons cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars re market access in article 1r5acf nh1 agate berkeley edu robohen ocf berkeley edu henry robertson writes now now before we get too carried away here keep in mind that owning any car in korea is a luxury that only the ruling class can afford every government agency worth its salt finds some reason to levy a tax on car ownership last i heard there were seven different fees to pay to own a car i believe this is the sort of petty bureaucratic inefficiency that new president kim young sam wants to eradicate basically i think the rules came into place as bureaucrats from plebian backgrounds wanted to wreak revenge on the ruling class in exchange zaibatsus like hyundai screwed over smaller companies perpetuating a vicious cycle i have faith that korean people can potentially build cars as well as anyone else but for now hyundai cars seem to reflect the tensions within society of screwy components that wont work together stubborn like a mule the car either wont go forward or wont stop at all hahahahahaha gasp pant hm im not sure whether the above was just a silly remark or a serious remark but in case there are some misconceptions i think henry robertson hasnt updated his data file on korea since mid 1970s owning a car in korea is no longer a luxury most middle class people in korea can afford a car and do have at least one car the problem in korea especially in seoul is that there are just so many privately owned cars as well as taxis and buses the rush hour has become a 24 hour phenomenon and that there is no place to park last time i heard back in january the kim administration wanted to legislate a law requireing a potential car owner to provide his or her own parking area just like they do in japan also henry would be glad to know that hyundai isnt the only car manufacturer in korea daewoo has always manufactured cars and i believe kia is back in business as well imported cars such as mercury sable are becoming quite popular as well though they are still quite expensive finally please ignore henrys posting about korean politics and bureaucracy hes quite uninformed t h brian chung happiness is this sig was brought jfe alchemy tn cornell edu tea earl grey hot to you by frungy the jfe cornella bitnet 210 lake st apt 11 a sport of kings cesr10 thc ithaca ny 14850 medicine re sex problem ls8139 albnyvms bitnet larry silverberg writes i have question that i hope is taken seriously despite the subject content problem my long time girlfriend lately has not been initiating any sexual activity for the last four months things have changed dramatically to make this shorter summary nothing that i can think of has changed she suggested we go to a sex counselor but i really dont want to just yet any suggestions would be appreciated if you think you can help me please contact me by e mail for further info please serious replies only thanks larry larry the subject content is serious as is the question on one hand you state that things have changed dramatically but at the same time nothing you can think of has changed your girlfriend seems to want to see a counselor but you dont id recommend that you examine your hesitation to see a counselor its a very good environment to examine issues the fact of the matter is your girlfriend has a different perception than you the two of you need to address the issue in order to resolve it please consider going to a counselor with your girlfriend what could it possibly hurt cliff the paramedic religion re the laws of god was re a kind and loving god in article 1993apr22 153528 10877 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote eternal damnation is the consequence of the choice one makes in rejecting god if you choose to jump off a cliff you can hardly blame god for you going splat at the bottom he knows that if you choose to jump that you will die but he will not prevent you from making that choice in fact he sent his son to stand on the edge of the cliff and tell everyone of what lies below to prove that point jesus took that plunge himself but he being god was able to rise up again i have seen the example of christ and have chosen not to jump and im trying to tell you not to jump or else youll go splat you dont have to listen to me and i wont stop you if you decide to jump i only ask that you check it out before taking the plunge you owe it to yourself i dont like seeing anyone go splat im for the moment interested in this notion of the leap of faith established by kierkegaard it clearly points out a possible solution to transcendental values what i dont understand is that it also clearly shows the existentialism system where any leap to any transcendental direction is equal in other words i might not jump off the cliff mentioned above but at the same time i will decide to what direction i will go actually i will do it just now cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net windows re need help with wp for windows in article 1993apr17 224402 92 kirk msoe edu narlochn kirk msoe edu writes i have two questions 1 i have been having troubles with my wordperfect for windows when i try to select and change fonts etc some of the text disappears i tried to center two lines once and the second line disappeared i can not find the error and i do not know how to correct it 2 is this the right newsgroup where should i go e mail prefered i know you said e mail preferred but because this is a common problem with wpwin ill post it here the screen only looks like the text is gone usually you can just page up then page down and when it does a complete refresh the text reappears i have had on rare occasions to completely exit save first the program when i reopened the file all chaos had been resolved i dont know why it does this but it is annoying the graphics problems have now made me a word for windows user religion what right recently ive asked myself a rather interesting question what right does god have on our lives always assuming there is a god of course in his infinite wisdom he made it perfectly clear that if we dont live according to his rules we will burn in hell well with what right can god make that desicion lets say for the sake of argument that god creates every one of us directly or indirectly it doesnt matter what then happens is that he first creates us and then turns us lose well i didnt ask to be created lets make an analogue if a scientist creates a unique living creature which has happened it was even patented does he then have the right to expect it to behave in a certain matter or die who is god to impose its rules on us who can tell if god is really so righteous as god likes us to believe are all christians a flock of sheep unable to do otherwise that follow the rest hmmmmmmmmmmmm i just want to point out that this is not sarcasm i mean it how should one deal with a man who is convinced that he is acting according to gods will and who there jokke fore believes that he is doing you a favour by stabbing you in the back voltaire guns re your evil tax dollars at work was re atf burns ranch etc etc in article 93112 230800mbs110 psuvm psu edu mark mark sachs mbs110 psuvm psu edu writes in article 93112 153005mgb slacvm slac stanford edu from a p according to numerous accounts by those in the compound the fire was started by an armoured vehicle crushing a large propane tank and turning over numerous gas lanterns oh then why did the smoke and flames start from three different places in particular three different places where there were no apvs according to an ap report from texas written by jaime aron this morning in addtion to the gas pumped in by hoses from cs generators canisters of tear gas were thrown into the building from armored vehicles one of the canisters hitting a man inside in the face this was in the part of the article before going into differences in the stories told by bd survivors and the govt tear gas canisters used to be able to start fires some things are too important not to give away to everybody else and have none left for yourself dieter the car salesman windows re mac disks in windows in 1t7529 agf agate berkeley edu miyamoto ucsee berkeley edu carleton a y miyamoto writes in article 1t6efv 1pj binkley cs mcgill ca gel binkley cs mcgill ca gilles khouzam writes macsee zip on ftp cica indiana edu is supposed to read and write mac disks ive never tried it though good luck i just tried it but i cant say that it works cause it doesnt read 800k disks it only reads 1 44mb if there a program that does read 800k disks please let me know im not sure that this is possible due to the way the mac writes the 800k disk i think the way the sectors are set up are different enough that a pc 3 5 cant read it this is a hardware problem which software cannot correct hope this helps and correct me if im wrong youre right you cannot read or write a mac or apple ii 800k 3 5 disk or apple ii 5 25 disk without extra hardware however mac 1 44mb disks can be read and written in a pc 3 5 hd drive with software only this should probably be added to every pc and mac faq file it sure gets asked enough baseball opening day of 1990 the os just lost to the rangers a few minutes ago i was not too happy about the pitching of rick sutcliffe 6 runs in 6 innings 5 in the 3 this puts me in remembering the 1990 os season after 89 we didnt do much over winter and we wound up in 5th now i know that mussina mcdonald and rhodes are better pitching prospects than ballard and milacki but are any other oriole fans scared out there admiral steve c liu p s other scores as of now cincy over montreal 2 1 i think florida is leading la 6 3 in the 8th braves vs cubs 1 0 in the 8th futility of cubs batting haunting them yanks beat the tribe i believe admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu commander in chief of the security division of the pi club earth chapter president of the earth chapter of the pi club founded april 1990 1993 world champions baltimore orioles why not series in the yards 1992 1993 stanley cup champions washington capitals committee for the liberation and intergration of terrifying organisms and their rehabilitation into society the only problem is that the abbreviation is clitoris from the polymorph episode of red dwarf the bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed this sig has been brought to you by frungy the sport of kings my god man drilling holes through his head is not the answer dr mccoy you know susanna hoffs has a really nice ass comment by m flanagan the pi club creating the largest signatures for the past nine months windows re video cards with bnc connectors sam ms uky edu mike mills writes hello i just recently bought a nec 6fg in order to get the highest possible quality and refresh rates id like to know if there are any accelerator cards with bnc connectors as opposed to the usual d sub connector i do not know of any vga type cards that have bnc outputs but extron sells a vga to bnc cable set that works good with my 5fg if you are trying to optimize the display with a good video card try contacting 9 1 800 get nine i use and like the level 9 card thanks for any information mike mills e mail sam ms uky edu rutgers uunet ukma sam uk math sciences dept mike ukpr uky edu 606 257 1429 work 263 0721 home mark marlow marlow world std com baseball re jewish baseball players i thought that walt weiss was jewish i seem to recall this was mentioned once while he was still at oakland also i have my suspicions about esther canseco nee haddad gidi baseball re marlins win marlins win genetic pitt edu david m tate writes dwarner journalism indiana edu said i only caught the tail end of this one on espn does anyone have a report look at all that teal bleah maybe its just me but the combination of those young faces peeking out from under oversized aqua helmets screams little league in every fibre of my being hmm it seems the little leaguers didnt do too badly against hershiser strawberry e davis and the rest of the dodgers yesterday eric smith erics netcom com erics infoserv com ci 70262 3610 cars re saturn extended warranty in article c63rrw 1g9w austin ibm com login austin ibm com writes ive owned a saturn for and year and a half and didnt have the extended warranty but just traded it in for a 1993 for reasons that i wont mention unless someone wants to know i opted for the 5 year 60 000 mile extended with 50 deductible its sorta like buying health insurance you could say that youre not sick now and havent been sick for a while but you cant guarantee that you wont be sick tomorrow a little money invested today is better than being sick tomorrow and now being able to pay for it or having to pay a lot more tomorrow than you can today justify all you want extended warranties are a ripoff high profit item for the dealer and you didnt buy 5yr 60k you get 3yr 36k free so what you bought is 2yr 24k and you still have to pay 50 every time you use this great warranty better to put your money in the bank and use it for repairs if when you need it considering that your last car was only 1 5 years old are you sure you will even keep this new one past its free warranty period btw typical profit on extended warranties is around 80 thats right only 20 of the money needs to go into the collective pot to pay for any future repairs that the group of extended warranty people collect cars re ford probe opinions centered around the gt jeremy g mereness zonker cmu edu says can anyone offer any opinions of the ford probe ala how they do in the long run repair records reliability mileage etc i am fixing to buy a car in the next few months aiming toward something a little bigger than a typical small car and with a little more power i am considering the mx 6 probe accord corolla and the 240sx the probe is the youngest of the bunch thus my interest in opinions but every magazine and ratings book places it as an excellent value btw the 240sx is rear wheel drive and is due for a re design for 1994 thanks in advance while i dont read normally read this group i was looking for valentine radar information sigh maybe in the faq and came across your posting i bought a 93 probe gt with the pep 263a last july now at 9500 miles after debating over the sentra se r nx2000 mx6 mr 2 stealth prelude and celica check this months consumer reports for previous probe records my criteria a fun car with abs airbag over 130hp and less than 25k i thought about a turbo but checking with insurance people ruled that out the tri star cars eclipse talon etc were out since they dont have an air bag ditto for the mustang also no abs the se r nx2000 m20 fell into the pocket rocket category a good used car buy the mx 6 was almost there but rolled more than i liked i didnt like the prelude dash instrumentation at all too weird for me the mr2 has a much smaller non passenger space than i needed so out that went the celica was ok but underpowered when loaded with options and somewhat overpriced too in non turbo form i never considered the 240sx since it didnt have an airbag i did look at it for its rwd virtues but thats it the corolla never entered my mind i should have looked at the mitsubishi vr4 dodge stealth more since my list was exhausted i bought the probe the car design is different than earlier years so its too early to see its reliability so far for what its worth my comments my dislikes shutting door with windows up from inside rarely makes good wind seal headlights have stuck up a few times weather air conditioning broke 4000 miles pressure cycling switch condensation around rear washer fluid container doesnt drain completely crammed engine little hope for do it yourselfers typical parts somewhat more expensive than normal ford parts underside plastic doesnt like sharp driveways and speedbumps typical assembly gripes tape on radiator screw fell out of dash seat seams not stitched properly hopefully just a fluke ford only gives 1 key with the car cmon ford spend an extra few pennies rear hatch has no padding on corners when up im waiting for the day when i bash my head on the corner horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center personal preference tires fling dirt mud onto side of car my likes engine design valves sounds smoothness power mileage torque definitely 1 handling very good for fwd understeer only at limits transmission the 5 speed is a must usable instrumentation lovely readable analog everywhere very little torque steer at full power much better than the 90 sho i drive stability at 100 mph high gearing though low cowl good visibility in front heated outside mirrors nice in fog never tested in freezing weather abs air bag see above rear seats fold down i have few rear seat passengers so a trunk not important no shake rattle noises when going over bumps potholes still tires 225 55vr16 goodyear eagles 70 left hoping for 30k as you can see im primarily interested in the engine while it doesnt have the uummmph of a big liter car or the turbo rush the big selling point for me was the all aluminum 24 value 2 5 liter engine the overall car is a good buy for the money that market segment hasnt changed much since july prelude vtec honda del sol i drive it to and from work each day on relatively smooth roads and most noticable thing is that the probes suspension doesnt like potholes when you test drive one find a potholed road somewhere around town and see if the jarring you get is tolerable if you have 3 passengers by all means bring them along too theyll find that they have no room in the back and youll find that the car rides differently if thats better is up to you also theres a lot of glass around you which i wasnt expecting the temperature inside the car gets pretty hot in the summer my back seat passengers now very few complain about the lack of ventilation you may want to consider that when combined with the heat ive heard that the exhaust system has trouble but mine works fine leather and the keyless entry system werent available when i got the car so i cant comment on them i got the car before it was officially announced i prefer cloth to leather anyway i wouldnt want this car in the snow the suspension is too rough for the inevitable surprise potholes tires arent meant for snow and the seats assume that youre not wearing lots of thick clothing rain is much better water generally beads off the windshield at freeway speed the windshield wiper controls are easy and understandable and i barely hydroplaned once with the eagles and i was really trying there is also a definite lack of cup holder small storage places the gt has map holders below the speakers in the door but theyre rigid plastic that could fit two cassettes or cds max the center console storage bin arm rest has 1 cup holder and the back of the front seats have a cloth pouch but thats it no change holders quite a let down from the sho and the probe is definitely not a people mover car or an econo box car lastly dont store wet car covers in the back the foam will soak the water up and the result will not smell pleasant nathan nathan sco com jeremy mereness support ye olde disclaimer zonker cmu edu internet free the above represent my fast project cmu gsia software opinions alone b s mechanical engineering cmu ya gotta love it every silver linings got a touch of grey this year marks the 200th anniversary of the bill of rights mx nathan sco com no comment theyre coming to take me away ha ha napolean xiv medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr26 204319 11231 ultb isc rit edu eas3714 ultb isc rit edu e a story writes in article 1rgrsvinnmpr gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu writes greg flame definitely intended here bill was making fun of the misspelling go look up the word krill also the correct spelling is kirlian it involves taking photographs of corona discharges created by attaching the subject to a high voltage source not of some aura it works equally well with inanimate objects true but what about showing the missing part of a leaf is this corona discharge yup the demonstration to which you refer consists of placing a leaf between the plates and taking a kirlian photograph of it you then cut off part of the leaf put the top plate back on and take another kirlian photograph you see pretty much the same image in both cases turns out the effect isnt nearly so striking if you take the trouble to clean the plates between photographs seems that the moisture from the leaf that you left on the place conducts electricity surprise surprise carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey i understand vaxen and vms thats what i get paid for my understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level or below so unless what im saying is directly related to vax vms dont hold me or my organization responsible for it if it is related to vax vms you can try to hold me responsible for it but my organization had nothing to do with it cars re 5w30 10w40 or 20w50 as an additional data point i have run castrol 20w50 exclusively in the following cars 75 rabbit 78 scirocco 76 rabbit 78 bus 70 beetle 76 bus 86 jetta gli ive never had an oil related problem disclaimer it gets mighty hot down here kenneth finnegan navo navy mil guns re gun control proud to be a canuck in article 1pqsruinniae hp col col hp com dduff col hp com dave duff writes does anyone really believe the swiss have had no war within their borders because every adult male owns a rifle im a great admirer of the swiss but 500 years of peace on their turf has zilch to do with gun ownership can you picture hitler with panzers and focke wulfs poised on the border losing sleep over a few thousand expert rifleman not just because of the riflemen they also have many hard bunkers in the mountains that would be nearly impossible to penetrate as for tanks they would be rather useless in such mountainous terrain hitler stayed out of switzerland because the swiss run the money in this world gee thats a new one he thought it was a different ethnic group since hitler was determined to control at the least all of europe do you think he gave a damn about international monetary concerns also theres a lot of gold in swiss vaults dont you think he new that if he could have he would have taken switzerland however crazy as he was he wasnt totally stupid it would have cost him a hell of a lot to take switzerland with no guarantee that an invasion would be successful he probably figured or his generals did when he was listening to them that it wasnt worth the cost al standard disclaimer guns re founding father questions arc cco caltech edu aaron ray clements writes wasnt she the one making the comment in 88 about george being born with a silver foot in his mouth sounds like another damn politician to me aint like the old days in texas anymore the politicians may have been corrupt then but at least theyd take a stand my apologies to a few exceptions i can think of news now is that the house may already have a two thirds majority so her opposition out of her concern for image shes even said this publicly may not matter do people expect the texans congressmen to act as the n j republicans did steve podleski phone 216 433 4000 nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio 44135 email pspod gonzo lerc nasa gov guns randy weaver trial update day 1 here is a copy of my first update on the randy weaver trial after a large response about 15 email messages ive decided that there is sufficient interest here on t p g to warrant posting file follows hi folks as perhaps the only boise resident on the list i guess it kind of falls on me to keep people updated about the randy weaver kevin harris trial yesterday marked the seating of the jury apparently no other legal activities occurred the jury was selected and things start today more interesting is what happenned outside about a dozen weaver supporters showed up to stage a protest outside the courthouse one woman carried a sign that read who stands trial for the murder of vicki and sons name i forget weaver on the evening news she said i am here protesting because i believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion i thought we all did nice sound bite grin the news reporter also interviewed some guy named tim who refused to give his last name not to prejudge the guy but he looked like a neo nazi he also said he expected many neo nazis to show up throughout the trial tim had been handing out leaflets in support of weaver and harris and the news had footage of a boise cop telling him to move along or hed arrest i dont know the finer points of this one perhaps theres a law against political activity within x feet of a courthouse or something what happenned to the first amendment most ominous of all was that the local reporter filmed an agent of the gestapo err atf with a minicam filming the protestors welcome to the world of big brother anyhow gerry spence came out and asked the protestors to leave because he didnt think it would help weavers case any he said he was confident that once the evidence came out that weaver would be aquitted more stuff as it comes available drew cars re chevy gmc 4x4 fullsize pickups opinions dick grady grady world std com wrote i am considering buying a 1993 chevy or gmc 4x4 full size pickup with the extended cab any opinions about these vehicles have there been any significant problems dick grady salem nh usa grady world std com so many newsgroups so little time i bought a brand new 1992 chevrolet k2500 hd 4x4 extended cab last may it has had many many problems see my earler post that describes the situation i went to bbb arbitration and they ruled that chevrolet must buy it back from me if you do get one stay away from the 5 speed manual with the deep low first gear they have put three of them in my truck so far after about 1 500 miles overdrive either starts rattling or hissing loudly there is no way to fix them chevrolet says that the noise is a characteristic of the transmission also if you are planning to use your truck to tow the gear ratios in that tranny suck on a steep hill you get up to about 55 mph in second gear at 4 000 rpm yellow line if you shift to third the rpm drop to only 2 500 and you begin to loose speed i should point out that the 350 v8 they put in the hd 8600 gvw trucks is a detuned motor compared to the one they put in the light duty ones they dropped the compression ratio supposedly for engine longevity reasons so the light duty 350 may pull better than my truck does other things that have gone wrong include the ventilation fan 3 times so far paint had specs of rust embedded in the paint from being shipped by rail with no covering and suspension parts link between stabilizer and control arm fell off any company can make a bad individual car chevrolet included what really bothered me was the way they reacted they made no attempt to deal with me except to tell me to take it back to the dealer for them to attempt to fix it one more time so i bought a brand new ford f250 hd super cab with a 460 and an automatic i will never buy another chevrolet jackw hpdmd48 boi hp com baseball re old predictions to laugh at steve novak writes edward ted fischer writes robert c hite writes dead wrong last time i checked jim fregosi was still managing the phillies and doing quite a fine job thank you best record in baseball at 8 1 look asshole i got him confused with somebody else i didnt flame you and i would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy what is your problem hites post wasnt a flame it was a correction of your error that last was me steve novak ive since read the entire original posting by hite mr fischer was actually restrained let mr hite hope he never makes some similar tiny mistake steve novak ban the bomb ban the pope steven advtech uswest com medicine re update help was what is this is it lymes in article 1993mar29 181958 3224 equator com jod equator com john setel odonnell writes i shouldnt have to be posting here physicians should know the lyme literature beyond steere cos denial merry go round patients should get correctly diagnosed and treated why do you think steere is doing this isnt he acting in good faith after all as the discoverer of lyme for all intents and purposes the more famous lyme gets the more famous steere gets i dont see the ulterior motive here it is easy for me to see it the those physicians who call everything lyme and treat everything there is a lot of money involved im a computer engineer not a doctor jim i was building a computer manufacturing company when i got lyme i lost several years of my life to near total disability partially as a result the company failed taking with it over 150 jobs my savings and everything id worked for for years im one of the lucky ones in that i found a physician through the lyme foundation and now can work almost full time although i have persistent infection and still suffer a variety of sypmtoms and now i try to follow the lyme literature well it is tragic what has happened to you but it doesnt necessarily make you the most objective source of information about it if your whole life is focussed around this you may be too emotionally involved to be advising other people who may or may not have lyme certainly advocacy of more research on lyme would not be out of order though and people like you can be very effective there gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows windows nt should i upgrade hi i am thinking of upgrading to the beta version of windows nt on a 486sx 25mhz 213mb hard disc can someone please give me there opion on such a setup for running nt and is the operating system likely to be better than windows or unixs steve ee d316 uk ac king ceres guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1993apr23 194834 24072 synapse bms com hambidge bms com writes mst4298 rigel tamu edu mitchell s todd writes if there was a large propane tank and it was breached dont you think that there would be an identifiable explosion from what i saw of the videotape there was an explosion which looked more like one due to propane rather than official version ammunition i would agree that a propane explosion is as likely as an ammunition explosives blast my question was directed to the person who claimed that the propane tank was likely ruptured by the tank before or just as the fire started if that were true shouldnt the explosion have happened very soon after the fires started the only evidence that exists right now at least what we know about is various claims and counter claims im waiting until the hard evidence is released what about you if only we could be certain that the hard evidence will be released the fbi has made such a fuss over the videotapes and other evidence that they have to release something sooner or later its going to happen and well get to see for ourselves often law enforcement agencies will withold evidence from public view until the investigation is over mitchell s todd mst4298 zeus tamu edu guns re blast them next time daniel oldham oldham ces cwru edu wrote the batf needs more people better weapons and more armored transports with the arms build up in waco they needed to hit that compound with mega fire power they could of gone in there blasting and killed a few women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn to death 51 days later is this a joke the legal way to serve a search warrant is to knock on the door tossing in a grenade to serve a search warrant violates the us constitution and is hence illegal the bd complied with legal search warrants in the past i do not understand why the batf used an illegal means to serve their search warrant last february steve kao windows mathcad 4 0 swap file reposting and summarizing for your information or additional comment this is long i have 16mb of memory on my 386sx 25 mhz an intel math coprocessor and a 120mb hard drive with 20mb free no compression i have been running mathcad 3 1 under windows 3 1 in enhanced mode with a 5mb ram drive 2mb 1mb smart drive and no swap file permanent or temporary for several months i am interested in the faster mathcad 4 0 but i am concerned about reported swap file requirements and the legitimacy of mathsofts claim about increased speed to 386sx users will mathcad 4 0 run without a swap file or insist that i use a swap file so far in response to a less detailed description of my setup or in unrelated postings the more informed answers on the net or by e mail appear to be 1 by fuess llnl gov david a fuess according to mathsoft no mathcad uses the swap file extensively so as not to overburden the physical resources they say this is actually a win32s feature a figure of 10mb was indicated to me as a minimum but you might try anyway 2 by bert tyler satalink com bert tyler im not all that certain that mathcad is the culprit here i have a 486 66dx2 with 16mb of main memory less 2mb for a ramdisk and a bit for a dos session that is opened as part of the startup process which i have been running without any swapfile when i installed the win32s subsystem from the march beta of the nt sdk the win32s subsystem itself demanded the presence of a swapfile the only win32s program ive run to date is the 32 bit version of freecell that came with that subsystem i gave windows a small temporary swapfile im leery of files that must remain in fixed locations on my hard disk and all seems well 3 by bca ece cmu edu brian c anderson what is win32 i upgraded to mathcad 4 0 and it installed a directory for win32 under windows system during the upgrade it told me that win32 was required 4 by case0030 student tc umn edu steven v case 1 mathcad 4 0 makes use of the win32s libraries youve probably heard about win32s it is a 32 bit windows library that provides much of the windows nt functionality no support for threads and multitasking and such but can be run under windows 3 1 5 by rhynetc zardoz chem appstate edu thomas c rhyne i also have 16 mb of ram and indeed mathcad 4 0 insisted on a permanent swapfile it would not run otherwise 6 by bishop baeyer chem fsu edu greg bishop 3 mathcad absolutely requires 4mb ram with 12mb swap file or 8mb ram with 8mb swap file it will give you a not enough memory error if the swap file is less than 8mb it is a major resource hog if you do not load the symbolic processor or the smart math it takes about 5mb of ram real or virtual just to load again due to the win32s libraries so it seems that in addition to the system requirements shown on mathsofts advertisement for 4 0 that you need a swap file possibly as big as 12mb looks like i would just need an 8mb swap file and would need to choose or can i between a faster permanent swap file or a slower temporary swap file apparently a win32 subsystem ships with mathcad 4 0 how much disk space does this require i also received these answers 1 by mfdjh uxa ecn bgu edu dale hample if youve got 16 megs of ram why not configure 10megs as a ram disk for mathcad dos 6 permits different bootup configurations can mathcad 4 0 win32 be configured to use such a ram drive instead of a swap file if not i dont see how using dos 6 0 for an alternate bootup would provide windows with this swap file some time back i remember a discussion about the issues of using a ram drive to support a swap file but i thought this involved slower 8mb systems i have dos 6 0 but for various reasons have not yet done a full installation by the way is a full installation of dos 6 0 required to avail oneself of the alternate bootup feature which files from the installation disks are required 2 by wild access digex com wildstrom presumeably you mean without a permanent swap file if windows needs a swap file it will upo and create one if a permanent one doesnt exist permanent is generally faster though i dont know why mathcad wouldnt be happy with either type ver 3 0 is and so should any program conforming to the win specification so far 16mb has been enough ram to avoid the overhead of running any swap file i have been running mathcad 3 1 under windows 3 1 without one guns re whos next mormons and jews as a minor point of interest earlier news reports claim to have been quoting the governor of texas when her holiness referred to the dividians as mormons and called for their expulsion from tx any texans have details guns re nra address in article 7307 pdxgate uucp barker rigel cs pdx edu james barker writes could someone email me a usnail address for the nra id like to write them a letter encouraging them to see to it very emphatically that the 2nd amendment is restored to the form that the founding fathers intended national rifle association 1600 rhode island ave nw washington dc 20036 3268 1 800 368 5714 membership jeff strait strait uicsl csl uiuc edu university of illinois phone 217 333 6444 if you ladies leave this island if you survive basic recruit training you will be a weapon a minister of death praying for war guns re statement to everyone on t p g in article 1993apr19 201300 27080 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman says clue kratz position isnt a defense against inaccuracy i oppose gun control because it doesnt work if it did id support it in fact i supported gun control before i did my homework theres no demand for pro gun people who dont know what theyre talking about in fact theyd be much better off if they didnt say anything and why is this freeman even if a pro gun person doesnt know what they are talking about there is always the possibility that they will learn a thing or two i am and will continue to post even if people get angry with what i have to say i have several good sources of material now that i know where to look so calm down theres lots of information flowing on tpg for those interested in learning one can participate in those discussions without ranting inaccurately failure to do so has consequences ah freeman seems to forget from my statement that i am learning i have also asked several of the not so hostile folks on this group for sources of information to read do you think freeman that maybe this means i am interested in learning i think it does because as you said people who dont know anything wont be good for the pro gun cause another good habit to get into is to go read only for a while to take the time to figure out how things work another good habit to get into is to realize that not everyone is you freeman and accept mistakes sure maybe it could have been some type of misinformation being slung by some anti gun nut but it wasnt i made my statement to inform everyone of this and everyone who replied said dont worry about it but also to learn as much as you can they accepted my mistake and gave me sources of information and told me to read as much as possible i have read several posts of yours and have found them informative why dont you give me the same chance andy jason baseball re expanded nl strike zone was re a surfeit of offense jrogoff scott skidmore edu jay rogoff writes it was my impression watching the mets rockies that umpires were calling strikes above the belt too but not as far up as the letters it would be nice if this were the case the umps saw the weekend boxscores too they knew the pitchers needed some help or they would be watching the sunrise mike timlin timlin spot colorado edu cars re im getting a car i need opinions in article 1993apr17 175451 30896 ns1 cc lehigh edu ip02 ns1 cc lehigh edu d anny phornprapha writes i have 30 000 as my budget im looking for a sports or gt car what do you think would be the best buy im looking for specific models thanks danny id say an rx 7 would be right up there you could easily deal down to 30 it has some of the most impressive performance figures around and automotive magazines eat it up one car to seriously consider in that price range rob fusi rwf2 lehigh edu guns re gun lovers was re my gun is like my american express card hell a glock is the last thing that should be switched to the only thing that i know about a glock is the lack of a real safety on it sure there is that little thing in the trigger but that isnt too great of a safety youre getting warmer the little thing in the trigger has to be depressed before the trigger can move what this means is the damned thing wont go off until the trigger is pulled this makes it just about there have been some problems but were assuming the gun is functioning correctly as safe as a revolver the gun when working correctly is totally drop safe now in police work this is a consideration there is not a single documented case im aware of where a police officer was killed because he failed to operate the safety on his firearm there are quite a few documented cases where criminals got hold of the cops gun and couldnt figure out how to get the safety off in time to use the gun thus the proprietary nature of the safety to the criminal at least very likely prevented the office from getting shot the purpose of a safety is to make the gun safe from unintentional fire this does not mean it should be so complicated as to slow down intentional use thus the glock safety is perfectly adequate from a safety standpoint but not necessarily the most desirable from the standpoint of open carry where it is easily grabbed by somebody else by this criteria it does make a lot of sense as a concealed carry piece from the standpoint of police use it is no better or worse than a revolver as far as being proprietary to the officer in the method of firing it the ideal solution may someday be biometric sensing of the user so that the firearm cant be used by anybody but its owner but for now the wide variety of safety systems helps unless the criminal happens to be familiar with that particular type of firearm rick windows true type font problem repost please help word 2 0c doesnt show the period centred character to indicate spaces if i use the ttfonts from coreldraw our editors need to be able to see how many spaces are in text but the character displayed is a large hollow box they overlap each other and characters on each side which is useless i believe the character used by w4w is the period centred 0183 this character shows up with the windows charmap display as the hollow box which tends to confirm this i have edited the corel font with fontmonger and changing the font graphics for the 0183 character makes no difference to the font output in charmap or w4w altering the paragraph 0182 or cedilla 0184 does alter their font graphics displayed however is the w4w character used to indicate spaces the period centred character has anyone been able to get this character displayed from a coreldraw ttf russ sharp russ deakin edu au ph 052 27 1141 fax 052 27 2015 deakin university school of engineering technology geelong australia guns will cs burn or explode the fbi released large amounts of cs tear gas into the compound in waco cs tear gas is a fine power is cs inflammable grain dust suspended in air can form an explosive mixture will cs suspended in air form an explosive mix could large quantities of cs have fueled the rapid spread of fire in the compound please note i am directing all followups to talk politics guns rod anderson n0nzo the only acceptable substitute boulder co for brains is silence rcanders nyx cs du edu solomon short satellite n0nzo on ao 16 medicine re resound hearing aids and others in article rhaller 260493122521 rhaller cc uoregon edu rhaller ns uoregon edu rich haller writes i have a fairly severe high frequency hearing loss a recent rough test showed a gently sloping loss to 10 20db down at 1000cps then it falls off a cliff to 70 80dbs down from 1500cps on this type of loss is difficult to fit i am currently using some old siemens behind the ear aids which keep me roughly functional but leave a lot to be desired recently i had an opportunity to test the widex q8 behind the ear aids for several weeks these have four independent programs which are intended to be customized for different hearing situations and can be reprogramed i found them to be a definite improvement over my current aids and was about to go ahead with them until another local outfit advertised a free trial of another programmable system called resound unfortunately i was only able to try the resound aids in their office for about 30 minutes and i couldnt compare them head to head with the widex nevertheless it did appear to me that they were superior and i was impressed by what i was able to read about the theory behind them which i will give in a separate posting they also carry the widex aids and had one patient presumably wealthy who decided to go ahead and get the resound even though he had purchased the widex only 6 months ago the problem is that the resound aids are about twice as expensive as the widex and other programmable aids i could take a trip to europe on the difference being a lover of bargains and hating to spend money i am having a hard time persuading myself to go with the resounds i would appreciate any opinions on this and other hearing aids and projections about when and if i might see improvements in technology that arent quite so expensive your hearing curve sounds a lot like mine thanks uncle sam ive been wearing miracle ear canal aids for about 5 months now and i find them to be acceptable they are molded to the shape of your ear canal and tuned to your hearing curve they are comfortable to wear and almost invisible if youre worried about that although if youre currently wearing behind the ear models thats not an issue the cost i paid 1200 each for mine through the miracle ear counter at sears ive heard that there is a substantial discount for senior citizens but i havent researched that because im not a senior citizen yet give them a try you might be pleasantly surprised alan hepburn a man doesnt know what he knows national semiconductor until he knows what he doesnt know santa clara ca alan berlioz nsc com thomas carlyle medicine re thrush was good grief was re candida albicans what is it in article 21apr199308571323 ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdy ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdy m writes dyer is beyond rude yeah yeah yeah i didnt threaten to rip your lips off did i snort there have been and always will be people who are blinded by their own knowledge and unopen to anything that isnt already established given what the medical community doesnt know im surprised that he has this outlook duh for the record i have had several outbreaks of thrush during the several past few years with no indication of immunosuppression or nutritional deficiencies i had not taken any antobiotics listen thrush is a recognized clinical syndrome with definite characteristics if you have thrush you have thrush because you can see the lesions and do a culture and when you treat it it generally responds well if youre not otherwise immunocompromised norings anal retentive idee fixe on having a fungal infection in his sinuses is not even in the same category here nor are these walking neurasthenics who are convinced they have candida from reading a quack book my dentist who sees a fair amount of thrush recommended acidophilous after i began taking acidophilous on a daily basis the outbreaks ceased when i quit taking the acidophilous the outbreaks periodically resumed i resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then so steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer windows re dos font size in windows in article 1993apr18 024128 9119 ncsu edu ssa unity ncsu edu s alavi writes normal 8514 a font not small in the 386 enhanced mode the dos window font is too small for my 14 monitor is there a way to spacify the font size for the dos window youll have to excuse me if there is a trivial answer since i am fairly new to ms windows world thanks s alavi ssa unity ncsu edu 919 467 7909 h first of all without wanting to sound nagging and bossy yes it is a trivial answer and thats perfectly fine otherwise how is one supposed to move up to the complicated and challenging questions we net readers so much enjoy and the massive crossposting of your article was not justified please refer to appropriate newsgroups next time by the way c o msw misc is ok now as far as your problem is concerned try playing around with the settings in the fonts dialog box under the window control menu that little square at the top left corner of the window costas malamas georgia institute of technology oit ua opinions expressed are not necessarily oits internet ccastco prism gatech edu religion re merlin mithras and magick in article pegasus 150493132018 fp1 dialin 4 uoregon edu pegasus aaa uoregon edu laurieewbrandt writes lets add to those percentages 13 15 for the orphaic docterians brought to the group by paul saul who was a high ranking initiate on the development of orphaic mysteries see jane harrisons prolegomena to the study of greek religion cambridge u press 1922 and you can easly draw your own conclusions perhaps you can quote just a bit of her argument josh cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico in article 1993apr21 171811 25933 julian uwo ca wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca wayne smith writes in article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu david g wonnacott writes im considering switching to geico insurance but have heard that they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim i was worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim i have also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident ive read in this group that geico has funded the purchasing of radar guns by police depts im not sure where geico has purchased radar guns in several states i know they have done it here in ct i have also heard horror stories about people that have been insured by geico for years and then had 1 accident and were immediately dropped and once youve been dropped by any insruance company you become labled a high risk and end up forking out 3 or 4 times what you should be for insurance my suggestion stay where you are or shop around but stay away from geico jeff medicine re sinus surgery septoplasty in article c670zy da utdallas edu kmldorf utdallas edu george kimeldorf writes in article badboyc64t0z fgq netcom com badboy netcom com jay keller writes ive already heard from a couple who said they had it and it didnt really help them i am a moderately severe asthmatic ent doc says large percentage see some relief of their asthma after sinus surgery also he said it is not unheard of that migraines go away after chronis sinusitis is relieved did your ent also tell you that this procedure may remove warts from the soles of your feet and improve your sex life you probably were trying to be facetious but just for the record partial nasal obstruction is correlated with a number of chronic disorders such as migraine hyperthyroidism asthma peptic ulcer dysmenorrhea and lack of libido riga in rev doto neuro ophthalmol 1957 24 325 335 cardiac symptoms jackson rt annals of otology 1976 85 65 70 cvetnic mh cvetnic v rhinology 1980 18 47 50 cottle mh rhinology 1980 18 67 81 and fever inadequate oral intake and electrolyte imbalance fairbanks dnf otorhinolaryngology head and neck surgery 1986 94 412 415 so before you post your inane comments it would be nice if youd run a medline search on the topic say back to 1966 theres been extensive literature on this for over a 100 years i may be in cardiology but ive had a very good working relationship with my colleagues from ent josh backon vms huji ac il windows re what does the bmp format mean michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu wrote in article robertsa 735922084 unix2 tcd ie robertsa unix2 tcd ie andrew l roberts writes what exactly does the windows bitmap format look like i mean how is the data stored width height no of colours bitmap data i couldnt find anything in ths user manual is there any other reference material which would give me this information well this is only a guess if it goes by the true meaning of bit map then it holds x y c where x pixel number in th ex direction y pixel number in the y dir c colour come on fellows the format is quite plainly explained in the manuals its in the programmers reference volume 3 messages structures and macros msc dev kit for 3 1 should be also in the borlands manuals pages 232 241 depending what you need first there is the bitmapfileheader struct then the bitmapinfo which contains the bitmapinfoheader and the rgbquad and then the bitmap data and there is also a example among the example files ms sdk hope this helps yes i do have some prior knowledge in this there is nothing dangerous in these dragons they are totally harmless but my opinion is that kicking them might not be the right way to test it so shut up and run pjsinc sunrise oulu fi pjsinc phoenix oulu fi pjsinc tolsun oulu fi if its possible that there are some opinions above they must be all mine religion to rob lanphier dear rob when i read brian k s postings i find someone who is honestly seeking the truth when i read your response here i see condescension when you reply to a post reply to the post you quote this statement undermines any good points you might have had it was enough to make me stop reading sometimes i do come across condesending and i am sorry i come across that way at times thank you for the reproach i really do appreciate it ill try to get better rob at the same time i have also learned that some people respond to the gentle approach while others respond only at a harsh rebuke brian k so far only responds to the latter and i am glad he responds at all in both cases of approach my intention is to be loving i am making no excuse for myself if i am coming across condesending i apologize for that rob sometimes brian k comes across as honest i know this but brian k vasillates back and forth one post looks honest the next is an excuse now he wants me to explain the universe in 50 words or less i think brian kendig is really trying but he is too comfortable with his set of excuses i just want brian k to be honest with himself if he really wants to know he will ask questions and stop asserting irrelevant excuses which have nothing to do with my god i wish brian would read the bible for himself and come to his own decisions without being sidetracked with the temptation to mock god from my perspective rob when i look at brian kendig i see a man standing out in the middle of a highway off into the distance i see a mack truck heading right for him but brian k is faced away from the oncoming truck he doesnt see it heres is how i see the dialog me brian k please step aside before you get run over bk there is no truck me turn around at look bk no me look you will be healthier if you do take a look at the oncoming truck bk no explain to me why trucks exist me turn around or you will run over bk no i wont because i like hiking and tomorrow is tuesday me you blind fool why do you choose ignorance you have nothing to lose if you look but if do not look you will certainly lose your life i do not want to see you squashed all over the road bk it is my life to lose i rather not look besides a truck running over me will not harm me and by the way i really have an open mind so is my motivation to belittle brian or to love brian the best i know how i do not wish to single brian kendig out because millions if not billions of people fall into the same category perhaps all people fall have fallen into this category at one time in their lives i have i can now see the truck behind brian my hope is that brian will look and will see the ramifications of the truck coming towards him my hope is that brian will want to step out of the way my fear though is that brian will instead choose to glue himself to the middle of the highway where he will certainly get run over but if he so chooses he so chooses and there is nothing i can do beyond that to change his mind for it is his choice but at this very moment brian hasnt gotten even that far he is still at the point where he does not want to look sure he moves his eyeball to appease me but his head will not turn around to see the entire picture so far he is satisfied with his glimpse of the mountains off in the distance thank you again rob for your reproach i really do appreciate it my wife tells me the same thing at times i will try to do better cars re aftermarket a c units in article 1qcaueinnmt8 axon cs unc edu andrew brandt writes i looked into getting a c installed on my 1987 honda crx si the unit is 875 plus shipping installation is like 5 1 2 hours on top of that this is a hunk of change does anyone know any place that does aftermarket a c installation not with a honda a c unit but some third party unit i cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a c unit in a honda i am in no carolina so i would prefer some place nearby but any references would be handy thx andy brandt cs unc edu les bartels comments sorry i cant help you with your question but i do have a comment to make concerning aftermarket a c units i have a frost king or frost temp forget which aftermarket unit on my cavalier and am quite unhappy with it the fan is noisy and doesnt put out much air i will never have an aftermarket a c installed in any of my vehicles again i just cant trust the quality and performance after this experience les les bartel im going to live forever let me add my 02 in i had a a c installed by the ford garage and it did not work as well as the a c that was installed by the factory in pickups identical to mine i have talked to other people that have had the same result dont know if this is just a problem with ford or what ernie smith cars re feedback requested on lowering 66 mustang in article x3xz2b2w165w vllyoak resun com jp vllyoak resun com jeff perry writes i have found a kit advertised for lowering the front end of an early mustang installation envolves moving the upper a arm and installation of a wedge shaped spacer between the a arm and ball joint apparently shelby mustangs did a similair modification but left out the spacer i would be interested in feedback pro or con on such a modification im no mustang head but dont the early ones have a simple strut suspension that is with no upper a arm just a strut going down to a lower control arm single bushing not an a arm with a tension compression rod locating it in the forward backward direction anyway simple strut suspensions like this can be lowered just by using shorter springs cutting the springs lowering the spring perch or shortening the strut below the perch in each of these cases the suspension geometry will suffer because the lower control arms will not be at the intended angle a spacer placed between control arm and the bottom of the strut roughly the height of the reduction will restore the suspension geometry imho the kit that includes the spacer is the only way to go ken ken r dye an optimist is a guy lachman technology inc chicago that has never had 708 505 9555 x341 much experience dye lachman com archy baseball re the 1964 phillies deja vu jerry sheldev shel isc br com gerald lanza writes p s in 1964 a single team out of 8 won the pennant no divisions make that ten not eight the mets and astros joined the n l in 1962 eric smith erics netcom com erics infoserv com ci 70262 3610 guns re president clintons email address jagst18 pitt edu josh a grossman writes somebody was kind enough to post the prezs compuserve email address i was smart enough to write it down somehwere on some small scap of paper i can not find if youve got it please email it to me compuserve 75300 3115 compuserve com america on line clintonpz aol com both are accessible from the internet when you send a not to slick willie you will need to have you us mail address on the note if you want a response the white house does not reply by e mail windows re more cool bmp files in article 1993apr20 173506 2288 dlss2 james dlss2 james cummings writes newsgroups comp os ms windows misc path atldbs uupsi psinntp uunet gatech howland reston ans net bogus sura net darwin sura net convex seas smu edu void dalnet dlss2 james from james dlss2 james cummings subject re more cool bmp files message id 1993apr20 173506 2288 dlss2 organization redrock development references 1993apr17 023017 17301 gmuvax2 gmu edu distribution usa date tue 20 apr 1993 17 35 06 gmt lines 1021 in article 1993apr17 023017 17301 gmuvax2 gmu edu rwang gmuvax2 gmu edu john wang writes hi everybody i guess my subject has said it all it is getting boring looking at those same old bmp files that came with windows so i am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file i can share or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for some bmp files like some scenery files some animals files etc i used to have some unfortunately i delete them all anyway could me give me some help please in response to a different kinda wallpaper heres what i use i think the original gif whatever was called not real the artist name and logo is in the lower right corner you will need vga i think and i have this sized for 800x600 256 color screens use this in your windows directory and do not tile it hope you enjoy i had a question abo owen adair wd4fsu adair dbsoftware com d b software backbone uupsi5 atldbs adair 404 239 3690 there is an alarming increase of topics i know nothing about religion re the gospels josephus etc and origins in article 1993apr21 225146 20804 rambo atlanta dg com wpr atlanta dg com bill rawlins writes i will agree that creation should not be taught as science if macroevolution is not taught as science however if we are teaching the wildly speculative theories of macroevolution as an explanation of origins then equal time should be given to creation neither one qualifies as science create a philosophy course call it origins bill rawlins wpr atlanta dg com i speak for myself only interesting idea this suggestion has inspired me to post under the title theories of creation a collection of various philosophies of creation that i am aware of could you explain which of these theories you would want taught and which ones you would not or perhaps i havent included a favorite theory of yours if so could you describe it for me for inclusion in an updated list tom scharle scharle irishmvs room g003 computing center scharle lukasiewicz cc nd edu university of notre dame notre dame in 46556 0539 usa religion re clarification of personal position jesus and the law sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes my online bible is on a cd but i dont own a cd rom system for the time being so i cant search for the famous cite where jesus explicitly states that he didnt want to break existing jewish laws in other words technically speaking christians should use saturday and not sunday as their holy day if they want to conform to the teachings of jesus i think the passage youre looking for is the following matthew 5 17 think not that i have come to abolish the law and the prophets i have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them matthew 5 18 for truly i say to you till heaven and earth pass away not an iota not a dot will pass from the law until all is accomplished matthew 5 19 whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven matthew 5 20 for i tell you unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and pharisees you will never enter the kingdom of heaven there are several problems with this the most serious is that the law was regarded by jews at the time and now as binding on jews but not on gentiles there are rules that were binding on all human beings the so called noachic laws but they are quite minimal the issue that the church had to face after jesus death was what to do about gentiles who wanted to follow christ the decision not to impose the law on them didnt say that the law was abolished it simply acknowledged that fact that it didnt apply to gentiles this is a simple answer which i think just about everyone can agree to a discussion of the issue in more or less these terms is recorded in acts 15 however theres more involved in order to get a full picture of the role of the law we have to come to grips with pauls apparent rejection of the law and how that relates to jesus commendation of the law at least as i read paul he says that the law serves a purpose that has been in a certain sense superceded again this issue isnt one of the abolition of the law in the middle of his discussion paul notes that he might be understood this way and assures us that thats not what he intends to say rather he sees the law as primarily being present to convict people of their sinfulness but ultimately its an impossible standard and one that has been superceded by christ pauls comments are not the worlds clearest here and not everyone agrees with my reading but the interesting thing to notice is that even this radical position does not entail an abolition of the law it still remains as an uncompromising standard from which not an iota or dot may be removed for its purpose of convicting of sin its important that it not be relaxed however for christians its not the end ultimately we live in faith not law while the theoretical categories they use are rather different in the end i think jesus and paul come to a rather similar conclusion the quoted passage from mat 5 should be taken in the context of the rest of the sermon on the mount where jesus shows us how he interprets the law the not an iota or dot would suggest a rather literal reading but in fact thats not jesus approach jesus interpretations emphasize the intent of the law and stay away from the ceremonial details indeed he is well known for taking a rather free attitude towards the sabbath and kosher laws some scholars claim that mat 5 17 20 needs to be taken in the context of 1st cent jewish discussions jesus accuses his opponents of caring about giving a tenth of even the most minor herbs but neglecting the things that really matter justice mercy and faith and caring about how cups and plates are cleaned but not about the fact that inside the people who use them are full of extortion and rapacity mat 23 23 25 this and the discussion later in mat 5 suggest that jesus has a very specific view of the law in mind and that when he talks about maintaining the law in its full strength he is thinking of these aspects of it pauls conclusion is similar while he talks about the law being superceded all of the specific examples he gives involve the ceremonial law such as circumcision and the sabbath he is quite concerned about maintaining moral standards the net result of this is that when paul talks about the law being superceded and jesus talks about the law being maintained i believe they are talking about different aspects of the law paul is embroiled in arguments about circumcision as is natural in letters responding to specific situations hes looking at the aspect of the law that is currently causing trouble the law as specifically jewish ceremonies he certainly does not intend to abolish divine standards of conduct on the other hand when jesus commends the law he seems to be talking the law in its broadest implications for morals and human relationships and deemphasizing those aspects that were later to give paul so much trouble its unfortunate that people use the same terms in different ways but we should be familiar with that from current conflicts look at the way terms like family values take on special meaning from the current context imagine some poor historian of the future trying to figure out why family values should be used as a code word for opposition to homosexuality in one specific period in the u s i think law had taken on a similar role in the arguments paul was involved in paul was clearly not rejecting all of the jewish values that go along with the term law any more than people who concerned about the family values movement are really opposed to family values windows re where to get ati card video drivers fonts in 1rju4p hah access digex net farley access digex com charles u farley writes does anyone know where i can ftp or somehow else acquire the latest video drivers fonts for an ati svga adapter the only floppy i have is for windows 3 0 does anyone know if ati is still in business thanks farley access digex com charles u farley average iq of calgary board of ed employee 65 you can get them from the ati bbs it a 416 number should be on your manuals if not the tech support number will tell you the bbs number guns re waco clinton press conference part 1 in article 93apr22 234553edt 47633 neat cs toronto edu quoctp cs toronto edu quoc tuan pham writes xref nntpd2 cxo dec com misc legal 62088 talk politics guns 56997 alt activism 43746 path nntpd2 cxo dec com pa dec com decwrl ames agate howland reston ans net zaphod mps ohio state edu cs utexas edu utnut utcsri relay cs toronto edu neat cs toronto edu cs toronto edu quoctp newsgroups misc legal talk politics guns alt activism from quoctp cs toronto edu quoc tuan pham subject re waco clinton press conference part 1 message id 93apr22 234553edt 47633 neat cs toronto edu organization department of computer science university of toronto references 1993apr21 021301 25113 r node hub org date 23 apr 93 03 46 24 gmt lines 3 did anyone notice that clinton was smiling and making jokes just before this press conference considering the number of people killed this seems very inappropriate to me or did anyone notice that when clinton referred to the davidians as religious fanatics that a round of spontaneous applause burst forth from the reporters to me this was not only in poor taste but it showed the medias bias and hostility to anyone not of the politically correct stripe no wonder they have been cheerleading for the kgbatf and the fbi during this whole affair rod it collectivism vs individualism is an ancient conflict men have come close to the truth but it was destroyed each time and one civilization fell after another civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy the savages whole existence is public ruled by the laws of his tribe civilization is the process of setting man free from men ayn rand roarks speech from the fountainhead i dont speak for my company we hire the politically correct to do that baseball re ray lankford question in article 1993apr20 165918 16574 mnemosyne cs du edu msilverm nyx cs du edu mike silverman says does anybody know what is going on with lankford i know he was out for a few games with a slight injury but since he has beenback and before the injury for that matter he has been really struggling at the plate and on the basepaths whereis the ray lankford we saw last year be patient he has a sore shoulder from crashing into the wall the cards will give him all the time he needs to come around he is their full time centerfielder he will not however steal as often this year as he is hitting clean up mark kornbluh windows re upgrading to windows nt in article 2946372331 3 p00211 psilink com nathan gregory p00211 psilink com says id like to appeal to the nets nt wizards for a bit of advice this sounds like a good question the hardware is specific to him but in general please respond to him via news and not e mail there probably are alot of people wanting to read the replies including myself mike packard aplcomm jhuapl edu cars insurance question im about to buy a new car and finance some of it since i paid cash for the last car i bought i did not have to worry about whether or not i had a good amount of insurance on it because of a bank loan i just put the amount that i wanted not what a bank would have wanted friends are telling me that banks require some kind of insurance on the car to protect it since it is collateral on loans is this true can that insurance be gotten as part of my other insurance i assume i dont have to pay a dealer for extra insurance over my regular car insurance am i correct i hear about accident health type insurance at the dealers and i am pretty sure these are just money makers for them i just want to verify that i dont have to buy these at all or any other types of extras what do i have to pay for car tax license anything else ellen windows pctools for windows demo if someone has downloaded the pctools demo from compuserve please upload it to cica or other ftp site thanks dean st1pb elroy uh edu baseball re rockies spoon feed game to mets in article 4200416 hpcc01 corp hp com boell hpcc01 corp hp com donald p boell writes is it just me or does bichette look totally lost in the outfield hes been playing horrible defense baylor said after wednesdays game that he wanted to shake up the lineup a little because bichette has been having a rough time defensively and jerald clark has not been hitting he was true to his word i went to thursdays game and gerald young was in right and daryl boston who has a very hot bat was in left baylor was careful to say though that he didnt necessarily mean for these changes to be permanent but he wanted to give these other two a shot while clark and bichette were not playing well in defense of bichette it looks like right field in mile high stadium is a bitch to play some of the visiting outfielders have been having some problems too although bobby bonilla made a great catch crashing into the wall to rob daryl boston of an extra base hit in thursdays game greg guns re my gun is like my american express card in article pa146008 711 734832476 utkvm1 utk edu pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu david veal says stuff deleted me what seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of proportion in my post i was referring to your regular patrolman in a car cruising around the city vs gang members of course the police have access to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the time of course they dont and thats the point i was trying to make every day when i go out to lunch i always see cops coming in the majority that i see are still carrying revolvers not that there is anything wrong with a revolver but if youre a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple of automatics in his coat i mean semi auto handguns youre going to be at a disadvantage even with training david this is the arms race fallacy that somehow bigger guns make an individual safer the problem is that for each corresponding level of offensive power the is not an automatic level of defense increase the problem is that theres a sort of lethality threshold that once you get past youre only talking about a metter of degree regardless of what cops are up against theres really no reason for the average beat cop to have anything bigger than a pistol on him as a personal weapon and maybe a rifle and a shotgun in the cruiser i mean think about it carrying a monster pistol or sub machinegun doesnt make the cop any less wounded if somebody shoots him a lot of police departenments have switched to semi automatics as better more reliable weapons and more stopping power but theres a point of diminishing returns this is a very very good point who cares what kind of gun youve got if youre lying on the ground dead and as far as automatics go any gang member carrying around a couple of automatics an incredible rarity is going to be far more of a menace to himself and innocent bystanders than anything he might be tryinh to aim at one auto is hard enough to control anybody who could control two is going to get the police officer regardless of what the police officer is armed with more stuff deleted mostly mine my question is this what would a police officer gain from having a sub machinegun or similar personal weapon that he already doesnt have with a 9mm or 10mm semi automatic pistol i dont see as how the police should be hosing around full auto fire nor has my experience with police officers or the stats regarding how many police officers get killed by other cops made me feel such would be a good idea precise fire is far more preferable nor should they using bigger guns most standard sidearms have more then sufficient stopping power when properly applied all more powerful weapons would do is make the likelihood of death higher without really giving police significantly more options another very good point that is well taken it seems that when lots of lead is flying either the cops or the gangs someone innocent always gets caught in the crossfire david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al all points made above are well taken i guess i am in the mindset of having more makes it better which is obviously not the correct mindset to take in this discussion now that i think about the situation a little more carefully i see your point exactly david and i wholeheartedly sp agree like i said im just assuming that more bullets and or bigger bullets is better once again though i want to state that i am a pro gun individual and do not believe that gun control is really a viable option here in the united states regardless of the drivel that i spout here jason cars re honda clutch chatter in article 185900002 hpindda cup hp com jimb hpindda cup hp com james bruder writes from jimb hpindda cup hp com james bruder date fri 23 apr 1993 23 08 56 gmt organization hp information networks cupertino ca path eclipse yktnews watson ibm com newsgate watson ibm com news ans net howland reston ans net usc sdd hp com hpscit sc hp com hplextra hpcss01 hpindda jimb newsgroups rec autos references 185900001 hpindda cup hp com lines 16 its nice to know that im not alone out there when it comes to clutch etc problems on late model hondas if i get a few more supportive responses i will take them to my local honda dealer or maybe send them to the regional rep in southern calif for their input on the problem maybe some group pressure from honda owners can be placed on honda to find a solution such as a retrofit of the clutch or maybe ill just sell the blasted vehicle and go back to driving my 10 year old pick up which was now fixed having clutch problems and caused me to look for what i thought would be a trouble free solution ya sure not to put down honda or anything the accord has performed flawlessly in all other areas for its 16 000 miles as it is said out of all this something will develop later folks not alone at all my old 83 accord now in the hands of a sibling has a much better engagement of the clutch even the old 84 civic we keep as a beater feels better in this aspect note that these are cars with 250 000 kms and 140 000 kms respectively my 90 prelude blows both of them away in every respect except smooth clutch engagement of course the kawasaki is the best of the bunch but i need more than 2 wheels most of the time the prelude has had a dud clutch from day 1 and after three years and 67 000 kms is no better best of luck and feel free to add this to your collection jeff goss cars re car buying story was christ another dealer service scam in article 93106 161324libemc byuvm bitnet libemc byuvm bitnet writes mark states in his post to know the dealer price and offer 200 300 above my husband and i are in the market to buy our first car together and neither of us know how to go about it how do you find out the dealer price are their books to look in do you send away somewhere for it several company publish periodicals 3 or 4 times a year which list the sticker prices and the dealer invoice prices of all the cars and their options edmunds is the name of one such price guide you can find these price guides at most places which sell magazines dick grady salem nh usa grady world std com so many newsgroups so little time windows re windows zip unzip i from ccastco prism gatech edu costas malamas subject re windows zip unzip date 28 apr 93 22 31 55 gmt in article 1rl9b6 h3c sol deakin oz au russ deakin oz au russ sharp writes we are using pkzip v2 04 and i am interested to hear from people who have used one of the many windows programs that call these is there a full windows version that does not call the dos pkzip pkunzip commands russ sharp russ deakin edu au ph 052 27 1141 fax 052 27 2015 there is wunarchive the replacement of wunzip it only extracts but it ssupports pkzip 2 04 it does not require pkz unzip in order to work and ccosts only 10 to register windows re is ms windows a mature os to get hierarchical icon groups in ms windows use norton desktop for windows ms windows in not mature its lousy but its supposed to be lousy its goal is to be ubiquitous not good ms windows is the course for the masses in it infrastructure 102 dos 102 cp m 101 unix was the course for the cogniscenti in it infrastructure 101 together they prove that there is good effect of good it and there is good effect of ubiquitous it what we need now is both at a significiantly higher level of function posix dce corba see the problem nt may be it infrastructure 103 but it will also be it monopoly 102 101 was ibm we have a conundrum gentlepeople what are we going to do about it dubious lee lee d rothstein veritech 7 merrymeeting drive merrimack nh 03054 2934 603 424 2900 fax 603 424 8549 information technology verification leadership baseball re young catchers in article mssc50qa5 dtv netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes in article 1993apr5 151834 14257 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes im still catching up from spring break but bear with me in the bigs especially when they havent even played aaa ball we certainly believe this kid is going to be very good some day but there is really no need to rush him especially since we have a mega million dollar staff that is probably well served by a battery mate who is expereienced in game calling and pitcher handling lopez time will come lets give him some time in aaa javy lopez has proven over 1400 ab in the minor leagues that he is ready to play in the majors he is not being rushed players who are clearly too good for aa and play behind stiffs at the major league level are wasting their time and may actually have a court case against major league management for keeping them at aaa no maybe i need to improve my writing skills lopez who is very ordinary defensively is not likely to hit so well at age 22 unless lopez is me defensively im 57 165 and born to play second base he belongs in the major leagues training what does he have to do to earn a chance maybe not a full time job but at least a couple starts and a few ab for him to prove his worth gee i dont know 17 abs sounds pretty good to me about as good as your reasoning that the kid should play a back up role rather than start every day at aaa talk about me as a gm valentine isnt saying he should back up hes saying he should be put in a position to win the job in the major leagues which imho he would if given the opportunity val if im misinterpreting please let me know so far you have come up with two arguments against lopez 1 he is very ordinary defensively 2 he is young and most players suck when they are young the first is irrelevant hes trying to make the majors with his bat and the second involves seriously warped reasoning valentine ok most players are not ready for the bigs at age 22 see current related posting on clayton one of my favorites most players benefit rather than being stagnant or hurt by playing at aaa most catchers need to be solid defensively players to help their clubs in the bigs those are the arguments against lopez for the braves for this year but the players who are ready are 1 the best and 2 the ones most likely to benefit from being in the majors javy lopez is not a middle of the road prospect hes the real thing now again the most important thing a player can do is hit lopez does that miles better than olson or berryhill if his defense is good enough for greenville or richmond its good enough for atlanta if he really was awful defensively he would no longer be a catcher see sprague ed now the braves have two catchers who have demonstrated solid abilities to call games to work with the pitchers to throw out runners not superstars mind you but solid experienced veterans the braves have a very solid lineup with two big bats in the outfield an excellent platoon at first a solid mvp candidate at third and one of the better hitting shortstops the center field platoon will probably hit 300 however good lopez what they have to offset the differential in experience and defensive ability the kid will improve playing at aaa and he probably wont being a reserve with the big club oh where to start ok first of all solid good i want good players solid is one of those words used to describe nice white guys who really arent very good at baseball think of it as twg without the caps its a losing strategy to say we have solid guys we dont need to improve you used it four times in that paragraph btw same for experienced i might add though that greg olson and damon berryhill arent exactly carter and fisk olson has played three years berryhill five although 90 and 91 were a wash the only difference imho between olson and valle is the supporting cast two big bats hrm i like justice but i find mr gants trend disturbing call it one and a maybe the braves platoon is ok but neither player has any value outside of the platoon bream vs lh and hunter vs rh are awful ill leave the thirdbase comment alone pendleton has wasted too much bandwidth already if the cf platoon hits 300 ill retrace mr likhanis midnight run down forbes and i live in ny and la got that mike and doesnt cox call pitches anyway goodness do you believe the other poster who thinks lopez is being held down because of his future earning potential why on earth do you people thinkthe braves made this decision are they idiots who have built this ballclub jeeeesh nope theyre baseball management possible the most short sighted collection of people in the nation do you not believe this goes on mark do you think frank thomas needed those three months in aaa in 1990 or cal eldred wasnt really better than ricky bones last year and im the treasure youre mostly polite make defensible if flawed cases have wit and have in the past admitted being wrong that does qualify you on r s b well make an sdcn out of you yet the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com sheehan aludra usc edu greg gohr pitching more like voice 213 743 0456 tipper gore im afraid linda cohn sportscenter 4 8 93 cars ford explorer 4wd do i need performance axle were considering getting a ford explorer xlt with 4wd and we have the following questions all we would do is go skiing no off roading 1 with 4wd do we need the performance axle limited slip axle its purpose is to allow the tires to act independently when the tires are on different terrain 2 do we need the all terrain tires p235 75x15 or will the all season p225 70x15 be good enough for us at lake tahoe thanks tom tom shou silicon graphics shou asd sgi com 2011 n shoreline blvd 415 390 5362 ms 8u 815 415 962 0494 fax mountain view ca 94043 windows please help wierd problem somebody help me cure my poor computer before i go insane i have a problem with my 486 when running windows that appears to be memory related its actually not limited to windows but thats where it causes most of my problems ths machines 486dx33 8meg ram 256kcache trident tvga card pas 16 soundcard 1 windows runs really really slow most of the time slower than on my old 386sx16 graphics draws fills are slow boots are slow applications are sluggish dialog boxes take up to 15 seconds to appear note some of my other non windows applications do funny things that appear to be related several run slow my mod player crashes the system etc 2 running borland c 3 0 before running windows or any of the other programs completely fixes the problem windows will run as fast as ive ever seen it run easily 10 times faster for graphics than when i dont run bc beforehand 3 i dont have a memory manager installed in config sys installing emm386 exe does not fix the problem it makes it worse after emm386 is installed running bc will not fix the problem anymore this problem is driving me nuts if you think you can help please reply through the mail thanks evan medicine re intravenous antibiotics in article 1993apr19 144358 28376 spectrum xerox com leisner eso mc xerox com writes i recently had a case of shingles and my doctors wanted to give me intravenous acyclovir it was a pain finding iv sites in my arms can i have some facts about how advantageous it is to give intravenous antibiotics rather than oral i think some essential information must be missing here i e you must be suffering from a condition which has caused immunosuppression there is no indication for iv acyclovir for shingles in an otherwise healthy person the oral form can help to reduce the length of symptoms and may even help prevent the development of post herpetic neuralgia but i certainly would not subject someone to iv therapy without a good reason to address your more general question iv therapy does provide higher and more consistently high plasma and tissue levels of a drug for treating a serious infection this is the only way to be sure that a patient is getting adequate drug levels kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer religion re is it good that jesus died in article bskendigc5rbvn aai netcom com bskendig netcom com brian kendig writes and i maintain some people do not want to enter into the light and the knowledge that they alone are their own masters because they fear it they are too afraid of having to face the world on their own terms and so by their own choice they will remain in darkness sort of like bugs under a rock however some people but not many will not like the darkness sometimes it gets too cold and too dark to be comfortable these people will crawl out from under the rock and although blinded at first will get accustomed to the light and enjoy its warmth and after a while now that they can see things for what they really are they will also see the heights which they can reach and the places they can go and they will learn to choose their own paths through the world and they will learn from their mistakes and revel in their successes are you your own master do you have any habits that you cannot break for one you seem unable to master your lack of desire to understand even the slightest concept of the bible seems that ignorance has you mastered how about sexual sins gotta any of those secret desires in your head that you harbor but can get control of do you dehumanize women when they walk past you do you degrade them to a sex object in your head are you the master of that kind of thinking do you insult people unknowingly then regret it later yet do it again the next time opportunity presents itself are you truly the master of yourself i have admitted that i am not the master of my thought life at all times that i sometimes say things i do want to say and then repeat my mistake unwantingly i have admitted to myself that i cannot control every aspect of my being there are times i know i shouldnt say something but then say it anyway there are times i simply forget a lesson i in fact am not my own master i need help jesus promised me this help and i took him up on his offer i have willfully let jesus be my master because jesus knows what is better for me than i myself do and why not does not the creator know his creation better than the creation does toyota know whats better for the corolla than the corolla do you see my point i think youre the one under the rock and im getting a great tan out here in the sunlight my life has improved immesurably since i abandoned theism come and join me it will be a difficult trip at first until you build up your muscles for the long hike but its well worth it then i guess ignorance is bliss for you because brian you enjoy not having a clue about the bible dont you see im not going to accept anything that i cant witness with my own eyes or experience with my own senses especially not something as mega powerful as what youre trying to get me to accept surely if you believe in it this strongly you must have a good reason to dont you can you witness motherly love with your senses how does caring and concern for you register with your senses if nothing registers to you other than what you can see taste smell hear and touch then you better become a vulcan and fast you better get rid of your emotions and i do have a good reason to believe what i do when did i say that i say that i would rather cease existing instead of being subject to the whims of a deity but that if the deity decided to toss me into the fiery pits because of who i am then so be it the topic was about my god and your lack of knowledge about what my god says my god says that you will not cease existing you have life forever you can choose to either live it in hell in eternal torment where there is no communication whatsoever or can choose to live it in paradise with god that is what my god says and that was the issue your made up theism is what it is made up its wishful thinking nope most people are christian most people are fond of feeling that they are imperfect of believing that the world is an undesirable place of reciting magical mystical prayers to make the world nice and holy again of doing just as their priests tell them like good little sheep you enjoy darkness and youre proud of it is this the religion of kendigianism most people are not christian most people including christians are not fond of feeling that they are imperfect is the world an undesireable place a doctrine of kendigianism it has nothing to do with my god does kendigism have magical mystical prayers as a part of its worship mine doesnt does kendigianism believe that the world will be holy again mine doesnt does kendigianism also dictate that one must obey what the priest tells them like good little sheep mine doesnt is this a bunch of lies you tell yourself so that you can justify being ignorant of the bible brian following christ has nothing to do with the doctrines of kendigianism you would find any of your doctrines in the bible i dont follow kendigianism i follow christ also to try to again show you your ignorance of christ and the bible in regards to priests have you not read about the sole melchizedek priest in hebrews 7 and 8 have you not read what the purpose is of the old testament levitical priesthood and why there should not be priests today yes guess what the catholics messed up i do not follow catholicism or any ism i follow christ nope you make decisions enjoy your successes and accept your failures then you die if you are content with the life youve led as you reflect back on it in your final moments then youve led a good life why would you want to live a good life to you you die and thats it dont contradict yourself you have no reason to live a good life it doesnt do you any good in the end your life doesnt do anybody else any good either because everyone dies anyway so you have no reason to lead a good life leading a good life is meaningless why do you do such a meaningless thing im sorry i dont feel that sacrificing jesus was something any god id worship would do unless the sacrifice was only temporary in which case its not really all that important has the resurrection sunk in jesus is alive jesus is not dead jesus was sacrified to fufill the old testament sacrificial system in its every detail jesuss death was like a seed he needed to fall to the ground so that many new lives would take root did you miss the entire john passage as well forget the bible for a minute forget quoting verses forget about who said what about this or that show me picture just you and me and a wide open hilltop and convince me that youre right forget that i am a person forget that i know how to type forget that i know how to put a sentence together forget that i know how to send e mail forget my existence proove to me that i exist be honest cars re wife wants convertible in article c5unfj 2pa usenet ucs indiana edu tom wetzel twetzel ucs indiana edu writes in article 1r1tth b9i usenet ins cwru edu andrew a spencer aas7 po cwru edu writes my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car i was about to recommend you consider a targa top over a convertible but drew made the point very well when my wife and i were in our 20s we did the convertible thing with triumphs now in our mid 40s we still appreciate the open air but prefer targa types there is much less wind noise objects papers blowing around foreign objects getting into the car and one still has almost all the advantages of the convertible my last car had t tops big t tops my current car is a convertible imho if youre after that convertible feel t tops open top sunroofs moonroofs whatever just dont cut it theres no substitute for a convertible if youre not after that sun beating down on you the wind in your hair and teeth the flopsum and jetsum getting in the car and the noises associated with the whooshing of the wind youre not after that convertible feel so go with something with at least a hole above the driver but dont call it a convertible and i do wonder how those targa tops would compare against my roll bar in a rollover situation of course id rather not test it in my car i too am in my early 40s a convertible accept no substitute tonya id rather be sailing flynn 6901 w sunrise blvd 305 797 2446 ft lauderdale fl 33313 lets just punch through that uucp uunet gould tflynn sand bar crew of natty dread internet tflynn encore com religion re rfd misc taoism sunlight shining off of the ocean aleph null bottles of beer on the wall aleph null bottles of beer take one down pass it around aleph null bottles of beer on the wall windows file manager problem whenever i start file manager the status bar is not displayed even though it is selected in the options menu if i deselect it then select it again the bar appears anyone have any ideas why this is happening thanks mike baseball re obp hurt by sac flies was re hbp bb big cat scottm helena stat uga edu scott mclure writes in article 1993apr23 061709 26822 mnemosyne cs du edu gspira nyx cs du edu greg spira writes paladin leland stanford edu jason gische writes in article 1993apr21 213902 4888 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes i think sac flies are the only way obp can be below ba does this seem dumb to anyone else the fact not the comment why should a batters obp be hurt by a sac fly especially if sac bunts dont have the same effect since they do the same thing but sac flies usually score a run while bunts just advance a base but both of these situations involve the batter giving up an ab for the benefit of the team sacrifice so why should it hurt their stats the sac bunt is a purposeful act ordered by the manager the batter does not go up trying to get a sac fly and the evidence available indicates that there is no such ability players cant will themselves to hit sac flies they fly out to the same place just as often when theres nobody on third greg sorry i gotta disagree here last time i played ball i went up on several occasions intending to hit a fly ball deep enough to score the runner from third or advance a runner to third its relatively easy actually you swing under the path of the ball you normally would to hit a good line drive with fastballs its very easy much more difficult with good breaking balls a good hitter with excellent bat control can voluntarily hit fly balls to the outfield at least oh 60 of the time you havent been facing major league pitching maybe more you have to be good at the plate and most of those guys are just as likely to opt for getting the base hit and helping their average as getting the sacrifice the best example i know of is jerry willard in the 91 series against minnesota all he had to do was put one in the of and the game was over he swung waaaaaay past parallel and accomplished barely getting the run in safely stats did a little study in the 1993 scoreboard book entitled can you hit sacrifice flies on purpose a summary of the findings over the 5 year period sac fly type fly balls were produced 17 6 percent of the time in situations where a sac fly was useful and 17 7 percent of the time when a sac fly wasnt useful they looked at the leaders in sac flies and found that the leaders in sac flies in other words the guys you would expect to be good at it it hit sac fly type fly balls only 3 more often when they needed to a difference way too small to be the result of a skill essentially the players who hit a lot of sac flies seem to do so because they hit hit sac fly type flies often with and without a runner on third stats concludes so it appears conclusive that hitters cannot hit sacrifice flies on purpose even if they practice in the batting cage greg baseball re phils nl east not so weak in 1993apr15 214133 3371 guvax acc georgetown edu apanjabi guvax acc georgetown edu writes braves hit like a aaa club shouldnt this read braves hitters are at the aaa club dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball guns latest on texas hb 1776 ccw i called the texas bill tracking people 800 253 9693 again today regarding hb 1776 concealed carry well it was supposed to come up for a vote this past wednesday but the bill got sent back to the public safety committee the psc gave it a favorable rating again and the bill must now be scheduled for debate by the calendars committee again daryl biberdorf n5gjm d biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura cars re 5w30 10w40 or 20w50 in article foo brad thone c09615bt wuvmd writes well there is a difference i dont happen to have my sae manual handy but oil viscosity in general decreases with temperature the sae numbers are based on a typical curve that oils used to all have running from say the viscosity of a room temperature 90 weight at 0c down to say that of a room temperature 5 weight at 20c for a typical 40 weight oil oils that are designed for operation in normal temperatures just have a weight specification oils that are designed for operation in exceedingly cold temperatures have a w tacked on the end so in winter in a cold place youd stick 10w in your car in the winter and 40 in it in the summer to approximate the appropriate viscosity throughout the year modern multi viscosity oils change viscosity much less with temperature as a result their viscosity graphs cross over several curves a multi vis specification pegs the curve at two temperatures a normal operating temperature and a cold one though i cant remember the numbers in any event the weights do indicate a significant difference remember that your engine is temperature regulated by the thermostat and radiator or air fins most of the time unless you overheat it or something any weight of oil is better than no oil or than very old carbonized oil thin oil wont in general lubricate as well at temperature thicker oil will like a 20w50 will lubricate better at temperature but not as well during startup when most engine wear occurs if youre planning on making long drives the 20w50 is probably fine esp in the summer in your 10w40 car but if youre making short drives stick to the 10w40 dont drink soap dilute dilute ok guns re bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks in article 1993apr23 143857 5484 oneb almanac bc ca kmcvay oneb almanac bc ca ken mcvay writes deleted hear hear id also like to see the autopsy reports confirm news reports that multiple victims were found shot in the head and in positions inconsistent with fire victims it is simply too early to draw conclusions either way about this nasty incident but i tend to believe the government side at least youre consistent im sure the highly propagandized germans tended to believe their governments version too in the thirties and forties as those different highly demonized jewish cultists met their fate always trust your government the old frogs almanac a salute to that old frog hissef ryugen fisher 604 245 3205 v32 604 245 4366 2400x4 sco xenix 2 3 2 gt ladysmith british columbia canada serving central vancouver island with public access usenet and internet mail home to the holocaust almanac joe gaut in the super state it really does not f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter at all what actually happened remember the alamo truth is what the government chooses to remember waco tell you justice is what it wants to happen jim garrison new orleans la medicine re lithium questions doctor wants my 10 year old on it in article 1rrv7i 7m7 dr pepper east sun com george crayola east sun com i would like to know anything you folks can tell me regarding lithium i have a 10 year old son that lives with my ex wife she has been having difficulty with his behavior and has had him on ritalin tofranil and now wants to try lithuim at the local doctors suggestion i would like to know whatever is important that i should know i worry about this sort of thing and would like pros cons regarding lithium therapy i have a booklet from the lithium information center based at the university of wisconsin but feel that it is pro lithium and would be interested in comments from the not necessarily pro side of the fence i am a concerned father and just wish to be well informed i get antsy about posts like this is the concern more for son or about ex w ife the standard impartial procedure is to ask for a second opinion about sons condition then too is son acting out games between divorced parents windows cica mirror is there a ftp cica indiana edu mirror anyware that isnt so busy thanks phil trodwell this space id be happy to ram a goddam 440 volt cattle for rent prod into that tub with you right now but not cheap this radio hunter s thompson medicine re can men get yeast infections noring netcom com jon noring writes in article tammy vandenboom launchpad unc edu tammy vandenboom writes heres a potentially stupid question to possibly the wrong news group but can men get yeast infections spread them what kind of symptoms similar as womens i have a yeast infection and my husband who is a natural paranoid on a good day is sure hes gonna catch it and keeps asking me what its like im not sure what his symptoms would be the answer is yes and no im sure others on sci med can expand on this recently someone posted an account of this unfortunately it was posted to alt tasteless so the gross details were emphasized instead of th e actual scientific facts windows re please do not post bitmaps though i downloaded some of the posted bitmaps myself the original poster is quite right as an alternative try posting them at comp binaries ms windows and just letting us know a good idea is to post the article number here peace micke pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd medicine japanese for scientists and engineers intensive japanese at the university of pittsburgh this summer the university of pittsburgh is offering two intensive japanese language courses this summer both courses intensive elementary japanese and intensive intermediate japanese are ten week ten credit courses each equivalent to one full year of japanese language study they begin june 7 and end august 13 the courses meet five days per week five hours per day there is a flat rate tuition charge of 1600 per course fellowships available for science and engineering students contact steven brener program manager of the japanese science and technology management program at the university of pittsburgh at the number or address below all interested individuals are encouraged to apply this is not limited to university students new program announcement japanese science and technology management program the japanese science and technology management program jstmp is a new program jointly developed by the university of pittsbugh and carnegie mellon university students and professionals in the engineering and scientific communitites are encouraged to apply for classes commencing in june 1993 and january 1994 program objectives the program intends to promote technology transfer between japan and the united states it is also designed to let scientists engineers and managers experience how the japanese proceed with technological development this is facilitated by extended internships in japanese research facilities and laboratories that provide participants with the opportunity to develop long term professional relationships with their japanese counterparts program design to fulfill the objectives of the program participants will be required to develop advanced language capability and a deep understanding of japan and its culture correspondingly jstmp consists of three major components 1 training in the japanese language several japanese language courses will be offered including intensive courses designed to expedite language preparation for scientists and engineers in a relatively short time 2 education in japanese business and social culture a particular enphasis is placed on attaining a deep understanding of the cultural and educational basis of japanese management approaches in manufacturing and information technology courses will be available in a variety of departments throughout both universities including anthropology sociology history and political science moreover seminars and colloquiums will be conducted further a field trip to japanese manufacturing or research facilities in the united states will be scheduled 3 an internship or a study mission in japan upon completion of their language and cultural training at pitt and cmu participants will have the opportunity to go to japan and observe and participate in the management of technology internships in japan will generally run for one year however shorter ones are possible fellowships covering tuition for language and culture courses as well as stipends for living expenses are available for more information and application materials contact steven brener susie brown jstmp carnegie mellon university gsia university of pittsburgh pittsburgh pa 15213 3890 4e25 forbes quadrangle telephone 412 268 7806 pittsburgh pa 15260 fax 412 268 8163 telephone 412 648 7414 fax 412 648 2199 interested individuals companies and institutions should respond by phone or mail please do not inquire via e mail please note that this is directed at grads and professionals however advanced undergrads will be considered further funding is resticted to us citizens and permanent residents of the us steve brener cars re warning please read i deleted your name because i dont want to sound accusative in my remark this is a two sided problem unfortunately our culture has been deteriorating over time the breeding of these low lifes is getting worse our justice system is at best extremely weak to handle these problems that is why low abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is imminent my camaro my pride and joy got stolen right out of my driveway a few years back the persons that did that were eventually caught lucky for me but not before having trashed the car on another occasion on my way from texas to florida i had stopped in a small motel for the night in a small town somewhere in florida about 5 youths were disturbing my car setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out when i and another tenant walked out with a 357 magnum and a 45 automatic respectively they vanished needless to say i immediately packed up and left watch out for car jacking and staged accidents they can be deadly im not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons but i would ask you if you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your alarm i can think of worse things in the world glad you got out of there before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun we can all ask whats happening to society these days but dont forget to ask another important question too what effort am i expending to make it any different than it is just my thoughts joe karolchik windows re windows nt should i upgrade in article 1rrhe0inn2p7 ceres kingston ac uk ee d316 ceres kingston ac uk steve warner writes hi i am thinking of upgrading to the beta version of windows nt on a 486sx 25mhz 213mb hard disc can someone please give me there opion on such a setup for running nt and is the operating system likely to be better than windows or unixs steve ee d316 uk ac king ceres ive been using windows nt tm since the october release and i have to say that the march release is really a big improvement windows nt tm is becomming usable there are a few things to consider before you make the leap though first for me at least is that you cannot get a full speed dos box what i mean is i cannot for instance run falcon 3 0 or any other resourse intensive program in a dos box it absolutley crawls and my machine is a 486 33 with a 330mb hd and 16mb ram if anyone knows how to get a fast dos box or full screen for that matter please let me know the second thing is there are still not many drivers around for stuff for instance my pas 16 has been demoted to running as a sound blaster which is natively supported nice because mediavision hasnt produced drivers yet your disk should be large enough to keep an 80mb dos partition and give the rest over to windows nt tm the only thing is whenever you wanted to run windows programs youd have to reboot and log into windows nt tm instead of just typing win windows nt tm does seem to be much more stable than normal windows though itd be a good choice if you have the resources you should really have at least 8mb ram though one last thing modems work well enough but i have yet to get my fax card to work and ive never heard of anyone else who did either its only better than unix because it runs killer software out of the box whereas with unix there isnt the same availablity i guess it comes down to windows nt tm is not yet for the faint of heart its still a beta but its a very good beta scott reimert reimert mamacass etdesg trw com standard disclaimer redondo beach ca blah blah blah always store beer in a cool dark place cars re bmw 3 series for 94 from article eabu288 140493210752 dialin33635 slip nts uci edu by eabu288 orion oac uci edu alvin is there going to be a bmw 328 in 1994 could be isnt the 2 5 liter six supposed to be enlarged to 2 8 liters in the not too distant future aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi csd4 csd uwm edu why should i care id rather watch drying paint windows re please refresh on internet access to compuserve cheong solomon technet sg scstech admin writes hi sometime ago there are some discussions on gaining compuserve access thru the internet but i seem to misplace those articles can someone please refresh me where which site i can telnet to to gain access try telnet 128 196 128 234 login to cserve this will get you into the compuserve network enter hostname cis and youll get the userid prompt hopefully i can download files as well i havent if you can figure it out let me know also let me know if your backspace key works thanks arthur lim email arthur mailhost scs com sg craig lewis saic 703 318 4756 craig monster apd saic com cars re what car is this in article 1993apr20 174246 14375 wam umd edu lerxst wam umd edu wheres my thing writes i was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car i saw the other day it was a 2 door sports car looked to be from the late 60s early 70s it was called a bricklin the doors were really small in addition the front bumper was separate from the rest of the body this is all i know if anyone can tellme a model name engine specs years of production where this car is made history or whatever info you have on this funky looking car please e mail bricklins were manufactured in the 70s with engines from ford they are rather odd looking with the encased front bumper there arent a lot of them around but hemmings motor news ususally has ten or so listed basically they are a performance ford with new styling slapped on top brought to you by your neighborhood lerxst rush fan robert seymour rseymour reed edu physics and philosophy reed college nextmail accepted artificial life project reed college reed solar energy project soltrain portland or baseball re young catchers mss netcom com mark singer said most catchers need to be solid defensively players to help their clubs in the bigs those are the arguments against lopez for the braves for this year now the braves have two catchers who have demonstrated solid abilities to call games to work with the pitchers to throw out runners this is the crux of the argument to me at least both the sdcn and the non sdcn camps seem to agree on the fact that a catchers defense is basically nonmeasurable at present you can talk about how important calling a game is or framing the pitches or blocking balls in the dirt but there is little or no way to tell exactly how various catchers rank in defense looking at lopez specifically is there any reason to suspect that he is a bad defensive catcher other then the fact that the braves or the media has labeled him a bad defensive catcher as far as i can tell he doesnt have any particular problem in his mechanics such as sasser he might be a little rough around the edges in blocking the ball or framing the pitch to get a good call but all he needs to clear that up is playing and practice time i cant see how repetitions at aaa are any better then reps in the majors all were left with is the calling the game aspect olsen and berryhill at always given credit for calling good games and helping the pitchering staff but this is a reputation that is given to almost all veteran catchers how is catching at aaa going to help lopez learn the major league pitching staff the only way any catcher is going to learn tom glavines pitches is to catch tom glavine similarly i wouldnt be supprised if the pitchers claimed to prefer pitching to olsen over pitching to lopez because they are used to pitching to olsen but given time they will say they are comfortable with lopez now since lopez cant learn how to handle the major league pitchers while hes in aaa and since he doesnt have any glaring problem in his mechanics what is he going to learn in aaa that he cant learn just as well while in the majors dave dave bonar mebonar lsuvax sncc lsu edu windows re windows zip unzip in article 1rl9b6 h3c sol deakin oz au russ deakin oz au russ sharp writes we are using pkzip v2 04 and i am interested to hear from people who have used one of the many windows programs that call these is there a full windows version that does not call the dos pkzip pkunzip commands russ sharp russ deakin edu au ph 052 27 1141 fax 052 27 2015 winzip 4 0 ftp cica indiana edu pub pc win3 util it is a shell it does call dos but a very very good one it will also do arc arj and lzh it fully supports pkzip 2 04 try using it it might be a shell very unobtrusive but that also means you dont need to update it with every every other letter of the alphabet version of pkzip hope it helps costas malamas georgia institute of technology oit ua oit doesnt pay me enough to share its opinions internet ccastco prism gatech edu guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1r21vqinneb8 clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes in article c5spov lre news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article 1r0qsrinnc61 clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes in article c5s0ds j54 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes i agree that they deserved a trial they had more than 40 days to come out and get their trial they chose to keep the children with them and to stay inside they chose to stay inside even after they were tear gassed i do not find these actions rational even noriega was smart enough to give up and go for the trial he deserved mr roby you are a government sucking heartless bastard unworthy of comment but apparently true my opinion only of course so your opinion is truth i see humans died yesterday humans who would not have died if the fbi had not taken the actions they did that is the undeniable truth i cried for them nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty that is undeniable truth no it is not it is possible the fbi planned for this to happen and the gunfire heard was the fbi keeping the folks inside im not proposing this as the way it went down but just to point out that its not undeniable that if they walked out yesterday they would be alive today you can believe that if you wish it is undeniable however that people have left the compound unharmed and alive earier in the standoff and since their leader was preaching that they would have an apocalypse you can not say undeniably that there wouldnt have been a mass suicide if the fbi had simply stayed outside and waited another 51 days my heart bleeds just as much as yours for the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities to do so my heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious devotion to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning my heart bleeds for no one you are the bleeding heart and im sure beyond any possible doubt that you do not feel for those people as i do you can not say the heartless things you have said if you did i am the heartless bleeding heart you are not making sense you seem to have no concern that someone would keep children inside this compound when they had 51 days to let them out that sounds pretty heartless to me i just heard on the news that some of the survivors regret they hadnt stayed in the inferno to prove their loyalty to koresh this makes me sad and sick you seem to say they got what they deserved i do not think this however if they did set the fire which started in more than one place and spread very quickly then they got what they wanted and put into motion themselves they got what they wanted what kind of creature are you that you can believe this have you ever heard of jonestown the sad thing is the people inside the compound were the authority worshipers and their only authority was koresh howell if these people were able to think for themselves there would likely be a lot more survivors today koresh preached a fiery apocalypse as early as last year i see the batf is going to be investigated by the justice dept and likely by arlen spectre and congress this is good they have bungled the affair from the start we agree on this now lets have your god the fbi investigated too by all means the fbi should be investigated too btw i thought the second ammendment was god jim jmd handheld com baseball official rules of baseball isbn i am trying to get a copy of the official rules of baseball someone once sent me the isbn number of it but i have since lost it can anyone give me this information or tell me where i can find the book none of my local bookstores have it im walking home from school and im watching jack mckinney some men building a new house and the guy ham jmckinney tamu edu mering on the roof calls me a paranoid little weirdo in morse code this space emo philips for rent cars 1990 integra ls for sale 1990 integra ls for sale 5 speed sunroof rear spoiler new tires 59 7k miles 7950 or best offer call 908 949 0878 908 938 4101 email att hotsoup peng baseball re espn and expansion in article c5109u 7c0 ucdavis edu itlm013 dale ucdavis edu donnie trump writes i was watching peter gammons on espn last night and hes got me a little confused while talking about expansion he started mentioning people who might benefit from the fringe players theyll be facing mcgriff hitting 50 home runs sheffield getting 150 rbis and glavine winning 25 games this was of course all in reference to what happened the other times that baseball has expanded early 60s late 60s late 70s what really confused me though was the mention of al players who would do well next year specifically roger clemens winning 25 games and the likes of mcgwire and gonzalez hitting 50 home runs my question is how in the hell will the rockies marlins help the al the last time i looked there wasnt a lot of talent jumping leagues did i miss something only if you persist in believing that peter gammons is more knowledgable about baseball than the average mailbox okay im overstating still the man actually had the gall to say that one out of every six pitchers in the nl this year did not pitch in the majors last year huh imo this expansion will not see the explosive jump in offense that the other expansion drafts had since the talent was diluted over both leagues in gammons defense because the talent drain came from the al as well some increase will be seen he also gets credit for mentioning that the 1969 jump in offense was due also to the rules changes after the 1968 season hes still full of it kurt bose as in daisy not rose kbos carina unm edu if you take out all the f ks this is an 18 page book wally backman leafing though a copy of mets teammate lenny dykstras autobiography nails guns re my gun is like my american express card in 93104 173826u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes deleted and as far as fully automatic weapons you can be a lot better armed if you want to hit what you aim at what seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of proportion in my post i was referring to your regular patrolman in a car cruising around the city vs gang members of course the police have access to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the time of course they dont and thats the point i was trying to make every day when i go out to lunch i always see cops coming in the majority that i see are still carrying revolvers not that there is anything wrong with a revolver but if youre a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple of automatics in his coat i mean semi auto handguns youre going to be at a disadvantage even with training i have been at a shooting range where gang gang members were practicing shooting they were actually practicing taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target and they werent doing too badly either the university cops here who are are state cops are armed better than the chicago police it seems most state cops are define armed better go shoot a revolver and a semi auto like the colt 45 does one fires faster than the other nope aside from which faster rate of fire is usually not desirable sure it makes the other guys duck for cover but just you trying hitting anything with a thompson in hose mode this is why the military is limiting its m 16 now to 3 round burst fire simple semi auto would be better but the troops like to be able to rock and roll even if it is wasteful of ammo something often in short supply when the enemy is plentiful a revolver is equally capable as a semi auto in the same caliber a revolver also has the advantage that if it misfires you just pull the trigger again a double action revolver almost all of them can be hand cocked first but will fire merely by pulling the trigger a misfire in a revolver merely means you must pull the trigger again to rotate to the next round a revolver can be carried with the 6th chamber empty and under the hammer for maximum safety but still can be drawn and fired with an easy motion even one handed speedloaders for a revolver allow reloads almost as fast as magazines on semi autos can be faster depending on users a misfire in a semi auto will require you to clear a jammed shell first time spent which can be fatal and a vital second or so is often lost as you realize hey its jammed before starting to do anything about clearing it most semi autos must have the slide worked to chamber the first round and cock the hammer some police carry their semi autos with the chamber loaded and hammer cocked but a safety engaged i do not consider this safe however you must trade off safety to get the same speed of employment as a revolver there are some double action semi autos out there but the complexity of operation of many of them requires more training some police departments switched to glocks and then started quietly switching many officers back to the old revolvers too many were having accidents partly due to the poor training they received not that glocks require rocket scientists but some cops are baffled by something as complex as the timer on a vcr anyone who goes anyone saying that the criminals obviously outgun the police dont know nothing about firearms turn off cops and hunter and pay attention i do not seek here to say semi autos are junk merely that assuming they are better for all jobs is stupid a cop with a revolver on his hip and a shotgun in the rack is more than equipped for anything short of a riot gun control is hitting what you aim at if you whip out a wonder nine and fire real fast you may find you dont hit anything good controlled fire from a revolver is more likely to get you a hit i own a 9mm beretta myself but consider it inferior as a carry weapon to something like the ruger security six revolver if i havent hit what im aiming at in the first 5 shots something is quite seriously wrong somewheres while i might like having the backup capacity of those extra shots in certain cases overwhelmingly the of shots fired in criminal encounters is less than 5 what do crooks overwhelmingly use in crime why the same nice simple 38 revolvers that the police often use well actually some police prefer the much heftier 357 magnum but anyway obplea dont flame me i prefer semi autos for most things but they introduce unneccessary complications to something as nerve wracking as an abrupt encounter with a lone criminal if everything had gone as planned everything would have been perfect batf spokesperson on cnn 3 2 93 regarding failed raid attempt in tx cars are ford shop manuals good i am planning on buying a repair manual for my ford taurus 92 is the 53 ford shop manual comprehensive enough covering repairs in all aspects of the car how about the haynes manual for tarus please email replies if possible thanks in advance jerry medicine re krillean photography todamhyp charles unlv edu brian m huey writes i think thats the correct spelling i am looking for any information supplies that will allow do it yourselfers to take krillean pictures im thinking that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for sale but i dont know any of the companies any info is greatly appreciated krillean photography involves taking pictures of minute decapods resident in the seas surrounding the antarctic or pictures taken by them perhaps bill from oz windows procomm plus for windows problems hi i have normal procomm plus for dos but ive been considering buying the windows version it got really great reviews in computer shopper i have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here using it but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the modem he has a 14 400 modem on a 486 50 mhz machine i cant see it having trouble keeping up his pcplus for dos works great but the windows just seems to always screw up is this common and is there a fix or is something just screwed with his machine kent cars re warning please read in article 1993apr17 051701 3419 nuscc nus sg matmcinn nuscc nus sg matthew macintyre at the national university of senegal writes callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes im not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons but i would ask you if you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your alarm i can think of worse things in the world glad you got out of there before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun i think people have a right to kill to defend their property why not be honest do you really care more about scum than about your car yo watch the attributions i didnt say that again this isnt an appropriate forum for discussions on whether you should shoot someone for property damage vandalism theft but every responsible gun owner realizes that there are limits and the punishment must fit the crime i mean think about it is a really harmless prank worth killing over as i said the situation described punks setting off alarms and taunting people to come out could turn very ugly very quickly and it is worth being prepared when your life is potentially on the line james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven baseball montreal question what position does mike lansing play i cannot seem to find it anywhere thanks 1 k keith j mullins o o p s c ooo ooo internet plymouth nh it takes a big man to cry but k mullin oz plymouth edu windows re win nt what is it in article c5qofw 3aa usenet ucs indiana edu ntaib silver ucs indiana edu iskandar taib writes in article 2bcf2664 3c6a deneva sdd trw com reimert etdesg trw com scott p reimert writes somewhere in this thread it has been said that windows nt tm is a multi user os as well as multi threading etc i certainly havent seen this to be the case there are seperate accounts for each person and even seperate directories if that is desired i dont see an implentation of simultaneuos use though since running any gui over a network is going to slow it down by a fair amount i expect windows nt will be multiuser only in the sense of sharing filesystems someone will likely write a telnetd for it so one could run character based apps but graphics based apps will have to be shared by running the executables on the local cpu this is how things are shaping up everywhere client server architectures are taking over from the old cpu terminal setups note that the next does this you can always telnet into a next and run character based apps but you cant run the gui yeah i know about x windows just havent been too impressed by it iskandar taib the only thing worse than peach ala internet ntaib silver ucs indiana edu frog is frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubacs i read this in an electronic magazine about nt and for all the hoopla about nt one would think the thing would be multi user but its not it supports only one user at a time it can support multiple clients but only one actual user your mileage may vary this posting does not represent the opinions of my employers im afraid ill have to ask you to leave the store mam ash aod guns re fbi directors statement on waco standoff on 21 apr 93 05 06 08 gmt tim smith tzs stein u washington edu wrote feustel netcom com david feustel writes we have no evidence that batf fbi would not have started shooting when and if people had started coming out of the burning building oh how about the press if the batf fbi were going to shoot people leaving a burning building dont you think they would get rid of the press first oh you mean something like moving the press back to a single location 2 miles away from the compound the press was allowing into foxholes in vietnam but its too dangerous to allow them near the branch davidians theres something skewed about the logic here charles scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept of physics michigan tech houghton mi 49931 when all government in little as in great things shall be drawn to washington as the centre of all power it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated thomas jefferson 1821 baseball lots of runs i have noticed that this year has had a lot of high scoring games at least the nl has i believe one reason are the expansion teams any thoughts charles guns re what to do if you shoot somebody in article 1993apr18 061532 3288 uoft02 utoledo edu steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu jason think steiner says jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes say youre in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody you give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them my question is what do you do should you stay and wait for the cops or should you collect your brass if youre using a semi auto and get out of there provided of course you dont think that you have been seen what kind of laws are on the books regarding this type of situation what would be the most likely thing to happen to you if you stayed and waited and it was a first offense what would happen if you took off but someone saw you and you were caught ghods do you have any idea how much trouble youd get into for taking off like that leaving the scene of an auto accident is bad enough killing someone leaving is 10 times worse whos going to seriously believe it was self defense when you took the time to collect your spent casings but officer i reload well like someone said in a reply to this it really all depends on the area that you live in see david veals reply to this i have heard exactly the same thing that he said in his reply to fade away if you think that you havent been seen i heard this from a police officer for the record though he was talking about in tennessee not everywhere even if you could get away with it youre still a fugitive do it nice legal keep your law abiding status send your story into the armed citizen column of american rifleman jason jason u28037 uicvm cc uic edu cars opel gt are the any opel gts out there im wondering if there are enough to starting a mail list matthew r singer mit lincoln laboratory 617 981 3771 244 wood street singer ll mit edu lexington ma 02173 baseball ryam out for 2 5 weeks nolan ryan has torn cartlidge inhis right knee is having surgery and is expected to miss 2 5 weeks windows black screen of death windows novell hi there we are running a 120 node token ring with windows 3 1 and novell 3 11 every once in a while we run into the black screen of death a phrase coined by robert x cringely in a recent infoworld column basically sometimes when you quit windows the screen goes black and you get a nice little flashing cursor in the top left corner of your screen also sometimes when you exit to dos the same effect occurs cringely hints that microsoft and or novell has a patch for windows virtual interrupt controller that may solve this neither company seems to know what i am talking about when i call them has anyone else noticed this phenomenon is there a fix for it any response is welcome peter sweeney psweeney miavx1 acs muohio edu religion re oto the ancient order of oriental templars in a previous article thyagi cup portal com thyagi morgoth nagasiva says it is known only to a few that there exists an external visible organization of such men and women who having themselves found the path to real self knowledge and who having travelled the burning sands are willing to give the benefit of their experience and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be guided while numberless societies associations orders groups etc have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of the civilised world all following some line of occult study yet there is but one ancient organization of genuine mystics up to that point i thought you were talking about the rosicrucian order no offense intended tony medicine home medical tests i am looking for current sources for lists of all the home medical tests currently legally available i believe this trend of allowing tests at home where feasible decreased medical costs by a factor of 10 or more and allows the patient some time and privacy to consider the best action from the results of such tests in fact i believe home medical tests and certain basic tests for serious diseases such as cancer heart disease should be offered free to the american public this could actually help to reduce national medical costs since many would have an earlier opportunity to know about and work toward recuperation or cure mike romano sir i admit your genral rule that every poet is a fool but you yourself may serve to show it that every fool is not a poet a pope guns re gun buy back in article 1r6qqcinn8j4 clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes in article 16bb8b194 r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes in article 1993apr22 134330 9761 rti rti org jbs rti rti org writes in article 16bb7ba6a r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes gun buyback programs will hopefully have an impact on accidental shootings especially youths domestic disputes where a gun is available in the heat of emotion and anger and maybe keep a few guns from being stolen and later used in street level crime what gives you the idea that gun buyback programs will have an impact on any of these things evidence please please dont misinterret what i was saying joe i was making the point tha there is no evidence of effect of gun buyback programs but hopefully if there is any effect it may prevent injuries or deaths in one of these types of common incidents if youre a research associate in urban child research then perhaps you can comment for us on the ratio of the accidental gun death rate to the rate of accidental death from other single causes follow that perhaps with some sort of justification for the amount of effort that anti gunners spend trying to convince the country that accidental gun related death among children in the u s is a serious problem firearms are the fifth leading cause of unintentional deaths among children ages 14 and under i dont understand how the ratio to other accidental deaths is important so guns dont kill as many children as car accidents what is the difference in severity between 1 000 deaths and 10 000 deaths i am not trying to use accidental gun related deaths among children as a justification for gun control who needs to be convinced that accidental gun deaths of children is a serious problem i assumed that any humane person would be concerned when any 10 year old got hold of their parents gun from their bedroom drawer and accidently blew away one of their friends any death is serious wanna discuss match control firearms related unintentional deaths among children ages 14 and under are the fault of one or more negligent persons not the gun did i say that a child who unintentionally shoots someone is not negligent no i hate to repeat myself jim but like i told joe i was not attempting in any way to justify gun control youre right any death is serious that was my point to joe who said that anti gunners try to convinve the country that accidental gun deaths related to children are a serious problem i guess i assumed everyone thought that it was a problem no i dont want to discuss match control i dont equate a book of matches to a loaded 9 millimeter either dont confuse the issue and please dont say that tired old nra line guns dont kill people people kill people sure people can kill people without guns but easy access to guns makes it a lot more convenient guns dont kill people people with easy access to guns kill people more than anything gun buyback programs are symbolic offerings to the community in that sense i think they might do a little good please explain why you think symbolic offerings do good my point was gun buyback programs which are almost always run by police departments might i stress might do a little i stress little good by giving people the impression that the police are attempting to respond to interpersonal gun violence in a unique way overall i thought that i had made it clear that i did not think that gun buyback programs were useful providing false hope then is the intent jim im just saying how it is im not saying if that is a good thing or not from the police who i have talked with who run some of these gun buyback programs i get the impression that they really think they are having an impact on the community when i ask them if they have an evaluatory component to the program they say well no so in answer to your question no false hope is not the intent i think the intent is to show folks that police are attempting to do something to curb interpersonal gun violence whether its effective or not look if you cant measure the impact of these programs using some sort of pre test and post test evaluation what is the point it must be symbolic in nature the police are essentially saying look if you have a gun lying around and you dont want it well give you 50 for it because we care about the community if you i and joe could think of a way to measure the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of these programs we could become rich and famous i do know that the vast majority of guns that are used by youths or brought to school by youths on a daily basis about 135 000 youths are obtained easily and quickly through a personal friend or more often borrowed from a parent without their knowledge i suggest you go back and look at wherever you saw these statistics i suspect youll find if you look carefully that 135 000 is the number of students estimated to have carried a weapon not necessarily a gun to school at least once in the past year and not the number of students who carry a gun to school daily well joe i suggest that you talk to the center to prevent handgun violence or the centers for disease control if you look carefully you will see that you greatly underestimate the presence of guns in the lives of youths the cphv reports that 135 000 youth bring guns to school daily and that 400 000 bring guns to school at least once a year the cdc estimates that 1 out 0f 25 high school students carried a gun to school at least once in 1990 the cdc also says that 1 2 million elementary aged latch key children kids who come home from school to an empty house have access to guns in their home california schools reported a 200 increase in student gun confiscations between 1986 and 1990 and a 40 increase between 1988 and 1990 florida reported a 61 percent increase in gun incidents in schools between 1986 87 amd 1987 88 these are the statistics 200 increase in california schools eh gun control is working fine there i didnt anything about gun control what are you talking about thus willing to follow a man who claimed to be the messiah got news for you folks if the big cheese was on this crazy planet of ours presently he would not be carrying a gun or holding children when they were in danger holding kids time for a reality check son these kids were the children of the people inside who believed that the forces of evil were outside waiting to kill them would you send your children out the door if you believed as they did okay maybe i worded it wrong dad i meant that to put children in a situation fortified compound where harm could come to them is not the act of a messiah in my opinion im not saying that koresh had control over these children directly but i would hope that whatever messiah there is would not let innocent children die if as he claimed he was the messiah and people followed him as such why did he not tell their parents to free the children instead of letting them burn alive thanks for the reality check joe its been real so your religion is different does that make it his wrong even assuming koresh actually made that decision and the verdict is still out on that jim listen to me i said im not religious whatsoever do you understand religion has nothing to do with this i could care less what religion they were okay to put children in that situation is wrong pure and simple difference is good jim i am the most progressive and diverse person in the world but if different is allowing kids to be exposed to tanks and tear gas then yes jim different is wrong medicine re help for kidney stones if you think you have kidney stones or your doctor tells you that you do definitely follow up on it my sister was diagnosed with kidney stones 1 1 2 years ago and given medication to take to dissolve them after that failed and she continued to be in great pain they decided she had endometriosis when they did exploratory surgery they discovered she had a tumor which turned out to be rhabdomyosarcoma a very rare and agressive cancer i realize this is not what happens in the majority of cases but you never know what can happen and shouldnt take chances medicine frequent nosebleeds i have between 15 and 25 nosebleeds each week as a result of a genetic predisposition to weak capillary walls osler weber rendu fortunately each nosebleed is of short duration does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency my younger brothers each tried a skin transplant thigh to nose lining but their nosebleeds soon returned ive seen a reference to an herb called rutin that is supposed to help and id like to hear of experiences with it or other techniques robert allison ottawa ontario canada baseball seeking all star game info ok ok ok first my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request but here goes anyhow im very interested in finding out how i might be able to get two tickets for the all star game in baltimore this year my very aged folks live about 50 miles away and i know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game i went with them and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child to the all star game in dc many years ago although im now in the sf bay area id love to be able to treat my folks to this game its absolutely the last chance theyd ever have to attend this g ame locally any info would be greatly appreciated mary cole mcole informix com cars re bimmer vs beamer in article andrei 735406817 namao andrei namao uucp andrei chichak writes back when i was building round tail light 2002s they were bimmers it was only when the red suspendered reganomics generated quiche eating yuppies got into the market that they became beamers and the hood ornaments started disappering yep thats when i noticed it too i stopped replacing the hood badge after the second or third one at 12 00 each 2002 drivers used to flash their headlight at each other in greeting try flashing your headlights at a 318i driver and see what kind of look you get they usually check their radar detector they think youre alerting them to a cop mark baseball re twins update 4 22 in article 1993apr23 151050 8995 sctc com macomber sctc com chuck macomber writes twins update posted april 22 1993 jim deshaies continues to be the surprise of not only the twins but of the american league as well going into todays game deshaies was 3 0 with a 1 74 era deshaies allowed 2 earned runs in 6 2 3 innings meaning his era will climb slightly deshaies who came to mn via a trade with philadelphia which sent david west there continues to make andy macphail look like a true genius minor correction hartley came in the west trade to phily deshaies signed as a free agent 1 7m over 2 years he pitched for san diego last year regards maynard brandt cray research inc guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r8vg9 rl5 bigboote wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes to rob and all others that have been debating about the wood stove the original post claimed that the atf fbi was pumping napalm into the building with the hopes that the wood stove inside would ignite it i responed with why would the wood stove be lit in the first place it wouldnt be lit for heating purposes because of the weather in texas which statement is dead wrong because our local posters have confirmed that it was quite chilly that morning everyone now claims that it was for cooking no we argue that it was not entirely unreasonable for a woodstove to be operational stop and think about this cs gas was being pumped into the building and i presume that everyone was wearing gas masks either bought or some type of makeshift type and this had been going on for 6 hours i dont know if you have ever been around cs but i have being exposed to cs gas was part of my army training so i know that without a mask it very uncomfortable and makes your eyes water nose run and makes you sick in the stomach and with the mask it is very difficult to drink water much less eat so my question now is why were they cooking food obviously you missed my earlier posting about the physica of woodstoves in brief you cant turn your woodstove on and off like your gas range it stays on all the time it even stays on for over 24 hours after you shut it off which is why most working woodstoves arent ever shut off until spring cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet baseball re defensive runs from da comments in article 1qvdrninnd9f gap caltech edu shippert cco caltech edu tim shippert writes the reason i bothered doing this dr stuff was to see if i could determine the answer to the age old question is jeff blauser more valuable than rafael belliard well it looks like just as doug trumped tim beating him to the net with his defensive analyses so tim has gotten in ahead of me the way i was doing it was a little different being me of course i used equivalent averages to work out how many runs a player was worth and i calculated both rate of performance fielding equivalent average and total performance fielding equivalent runs but i compared not to the average player but the replacement player and heres why because the positional adjustment comes built in to the system in the al of 1992 the average ss is 32 9 runs above replacement rar cf 31 6 2b 28 8 3b 26 3 lf 26 0 rf 24 6 1b 16 9 we may quibble with the exact numbers but the order looks substantially right in the equivalent average i have always set league average to 235 i had decided in hitting that the replacement level batter has an eqa of 180 the name of that replacement level hitter often as not is billy ripken i decided to let the replacement level fielder be the same distance from 235 as 180 but in the opposite direction as i have set it up that makes for an eqa of 280 yes i can add runs are proportional to eqa squared the difference between 180 squared and 235 squared equals the difference to 279 squared and i rounded off for simplicity an all replacement fielding team would have randy milligan at first 282 willie randolph 269 at second leo gomez 279 at third walt weiss 269 at short kevin bass 271 in left hojo 257 in center and eric anthony 277 in right ugh so the total number of rar for a player is the sum of his batting and fielding rar i can rate them by total rar or rar per some number of batting outs like 400 an average player has a total rar of about 55 30 batting 25 fielding total rar bat field 1 bonds 152 124 28 ventura 124 66 58 2 sandberg 143 88 55 thomas 122 110 12 3 van slyke 122 91 31 anderson 109 75 34 4 grace 114 70 44 raines 100 68 32 5 lankford 111 76 35 puckett 98 76 22 6 pendleton 108 71 37 alomar 98 75 23 7 finley 104 70 34 martinez e 97 81 16 8 bagwell 101 73 28 mack 93 70 23 9 butler 96 74 22 mcgwire 93 79 14 10 sheffield 96 85 11 griffey 92 70 22 11 larkin 96 65 31 devereaux 89 56 34 12 grissom 95 57 38 henderson 88 66 23 13 walker 94 61 33 listach 87 50 37 14 justice 92 52 40 lofton 85 46 39 15 w clark 91 73 18 baerga 83 55 28 16 kruk 82 78 4 d white 79 39 40 17 o smith 80 46 34 palmeiro 76 54 22 18 gwynn 80 47 33 sierra 76 52 24 19 hollins 80 68 12 carter 73 57 17 20 j bell 79 42 37 gonzalez 73 60 13 notable entries in a per 400 batting out rating nl top 7 are bonds 177 lf sandberg 130 2b van slyke 114 cf grace 107 1b larkin 102 ss justice 99 rf sheffield 99 3b one at each position measured mcgriff despite 85 batting rar fifth in league finishes out of the top 20 due to a 13 in fielding last by position galarraga 39 stillwell 10 hansen 30 belliard 30 blauser gad a 69 3rd in league may 43 dascenzo 34 anthony 38 in the al much maligned rickey henderson was worth 120 second only to frank thomas 124 ventura edges edgar at third 116 111 grebeck rates a potent 102 griffey edges puckett as top cf 93 90 listach nudges out lofton among rookies 82 80 and alomar clearly outpoints baerga 97 73 last by position segui 10 sojo 29 palmer 22 lewis 31 polonia 40 cuyler 26 v hayes 39 all for now clay d cars re opel owners matmcinn nuscc nus sg matthew macintyre at the national university of senegal writes by the way what do people think about the opel calibra i want one and i dont want to move to europe to buy one please make it the next pontiac f car of course ill have to wait till 2003 to buy it chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area guns re the dayton gun buy back re boston gun buy back has anyone considered how to prosecute a city holding a no questions asked buy back for receiving stolen property intel corp 5000 w chandler blvd chandler az 85226 windows re logic of backup in article c76g9j 6pk cs uiuc edu ioerger sophocles cs uiuc edu thomas ioerger writes so i think there are 2 possibilities 1 im right if my disk really crashes i would at least have to re install dos and windows to get the backup program working using the software youre using i agree with you there what i did i installed dos windows and cpbackup functionally the same as your norton for the purposes of this discussion and used the dos backup command on just that much to restore i boot to the system diskette and use dos restore to read in that much then boot to windows and restore my full backups using cpb norton in your case overwriting what ive just restored that allows me to keep this skeletal windows essentially unchanged with all my customization on the real copy done using the 3rd party backup utility 2 im wrong there is an easy way to make a mirror of a hard disk that can easily restore its state from scratch seems possible if you can put skeletal versions of dos and your backup utility on a system floppy then you could restore it all on one go martin lodahl systems analyst capacity planning pacific bell malodah pacbell com sacramento ca usa 916 972 4821 if its good for ancient druids runnin nekkid through the wuids drinkin strange fermented fluids its good enough for me unk guns re my gun is like my american express card thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes i hate long postings but this turned out to be rather lengthy thats ok you can mail me if you want more discussion acquiring weapons in norway you can buy almost all kinds of weapons in norway but you must have a permit and a good reason to get the permit around here long guns are proof of age and fill out the forms for pistols nation wide check for felonies and three days wait the good reason is the difference and one americans tend to get annoyed over as we see no reason the guy with the badge is any better than us its a little like getting a drivers licence isnt it you have to prove that you can drive before you are allowed to not when dealing with america i can drive an 18 wheel truck with no permit no license and at age 12 if im engaged in farming work strange that but there is little to no problem with this again personal rights versus collective security some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners arms for a long time but these are rather the exeption most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes and mostly short time befor the crime strange that the rates would decline since killing somebody is much more frowned upon than merely stealing a gun use of knives it is allowed to cary knifes in public but not in your belt or open you americans think its ok to have a gun but not to carry it open in public rigth why attract attention i carry my sword openly to and from practice as that is the only legal thing i can do i also attract a lot of attention doing this id rather be lost in a crowd of one than be the subject of attention while carrying a weapon think of the word intimidation and you can see where intimidation is not the preferable method for the normal citizen scandinavians are aggressive we northeners are not as hot livered as southeners but when we decide to take action we do ask any historian or millitary with an knowledge of europe or ask any german who served in norway in ww2 aggressive towards whom southerners germans precisely why i think your society is less violent weapons aside yes the individual is more important than the masses but only to some extent your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses what happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of all the masses editor barf dan then the masses have the same rights as the individuals because everything comes down to the individual in one instance or another to draw an analogy norway is involved in the eec the usa in involved in nato the eec requires certain changes in your laws nato requires no such changes in usa law these laws affect citizens and hence norway is saying europe is more important than say norwegians having motorcycles that make over 100bhp in the usa wed likely tell the eec to get stuffed since the eec has no business in our eyes in telling us how much horsepower we can safely ride while i note that our own state governments often play with game with the federal government in essence this is a cultural difference between us if i lived in amerika i would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in home but should it have to be like that it shouldnt since neither of our countries has managed to remove criminals from society in america we feel and remember we have individual states that are larger than your country that if the police cannot protect us then we must do so ourselves the criminals in our country are quite violent hence we prepare for them do you think its wise to sell guns like candy some states do if you believe its smart neccacery to have drivers licence why do you think it should be free to buy guns we dont e mail me to find out just how difficult it really is in this country it is easier than in yours but theft is far easier than the troubles we go through to purchase over here i would defend my home loved ones and country but i dont view guns as neccities or toys they are neither they are an option we would never force you to own guns if you lived here we would however fight to keep that option open to you i have done army service and have used a variaty of weapons but wouldnt want to have one for self defence or because they feel good then you show you are a responsible rational user of weapons welcome to our ranks now how do we teach the young people this sort of responsibility cultures seem to have a grave impact here i notice you didnt use my great grandfathers name well he didnt like it much either dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them guns re waco aflame abolish cults start with the f b i religion re o t o clarification in article 79895 cup portal com thyagi cup portal com thyagi morgoth nagasiva wrote they are considered different and largely unrelated by a number of sources ive seen documentation which links them through the figure of h spencer lewis lewis was apparently involved with reuss who was the o h o of ordo templi orientis for many years apparently it is also true that lewis had a charter to form an o t o body and then created a m o r c as a subsidiary an interesting question if anyone is interested in the history of amorc i do think spencer lewis published books about the beginning and his mission the alexandria bookstore thats the name of the book store operated by amorc should have a selection that should provide the interested reader more insight cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net baseball re jays darrin jackson is a nightmare in article c5svp3 fja ra nrl navy mil klinker itd nrl navy mil eric klinker writes in article 93110 115219ior slacvm slac stanford edu thomas hyer ior slacvm slac stanford edu writes in article c5smzy bde ra nrl navy mil klinker itd nrl navy mil eric klinker says dj was a popular player in san diego derek bell was not faring well in the clubhouse at toronto so no matter how bad he looks now i still think it was a steal for the jays just from the perspective of team chemistry i laugh at you now and i will laugh at you again equally publicly when the jays finish third due to the severe depletion of their talent the jays will finish third because of the depletion of their pitching staff not because derek bell was traded for darrin jakson i couldnt agree more the jays have a lot of power in their line up so far pitching has been the biggest problem maybe we can get acker back but anyway the point of my post if you missed it was that derek bell was traded because he was basically in the doghouse with cito and the rest of the team one incident that sticks out in my mind was when derek bell ran back out on to the feild after the jays had won the division and all the players were back in the clubhouse bell ran around the field with his arms in the air waving a big towel over his head he looked like a big jerk especially when you consider he did not contribute much to the team over the whole season the next day winfield and carter somehow got the keys to bells jeep and brought it out on to the feild before the game started the stadium announcer said that there was going to be a draw later in the game for bells jeep bell really freaked out i dont think bell was to popular after that i think that jackson might be trying a little too hard right now hes known for being a great outfielder and hes not the only blue jay who has been booting balls and playing generally awful andrew andrew wyllie wyllie physics utoronto ca mrcs university of toronto cars re too fast in a previous article wrat unisql uucp wharfie says in article 1qkon8 3re armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes larger engine thats what the sho is a slightly modified family sedan with a powerful engine they didnt even bother improving the brakes that shows how much you know about anything the brakes on the sho are very different 9 inch or 9 5 i forget discs all around vented in front the normal taurus setup is smaller discs front drums rear one i saw had vented rears too it was on a lot of course the sales man was a fool titanium wheels yeah right then later told me they were magnesium more believable but still crap since al is so m uch cheaper and just as good i tend to agree tho that this still doesnt take the sho up to standard for running 130 on a regular basis the brakes should be bigger like 11 or so take a look at the ones on the corrados where they have braking regulations drew guns re waco clinton press conference part 1 in article feustelc5tw49 7p5 netcom com feustel netcom com david feustel writes i predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the federal assault in waco will result in future assaults of that type being conducted as full scale military operations with explicit shoot to kill directives and done in secret did anybody notice it is the treasury dept the fbi and batf in other words that clinton wants to do the investigation in other words investigating themselves he sure didnt seem very enthusiastic about congress doing the investigation i notice well they can do what they want probably insert a pout here does anybody smell the attempt for a whitewash betcha the justice dept investigation will at most say possible poor judjement too bad grrr dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com im beginning to look forward to reaching the 100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt at that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 pat myrto seattle wa if all else fails try uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former albert einstien medicine re blood glucose test strips in article 1993apr12 151035 22555 omen uucp caf omen uucp chuck forsberg wa7kgx writes in article 1993apr11 192644 29219 clpd kodak com young serum kodak com writes human glucose 70 110 mg dl fasting 2 are these numbers for whole blood or plasma serum actually but plasma numbers are the same whole blood numbers for humans tend to be somewhat lower roughly 5 to 10 percent lower i find the following range for whole blood in fundamentals of clinical chemistry n w teitz editor w b saunders 1987 human glucose whole blood fasting levels 60 95 mg dl which are the strips calibrated for obviously they measure whole blood indeed they do measure whole blood levels although they are not as accurate as a serum test done in a laboratory one problem is that cells in the sample continue to metabolize glucose after the sample is drawn reducing the apparent level according to teitz however results compare reasonably well with laboratory results although values below 80 mg dl tend to be lower with strip tests whereas values above 240 mg dl can be very erratic what is the conversion factor between human plasma glucose and whole blood pin prick glucose concentration as stated above whole blood levels tend to be roughly 5 to 10 percent lower than serum levels sample freshness will affect whole blood levels however i dont believe there is a well defined conversion factor since cell metabolism will affect samples to varying degrees the serum plasma test is much preferred for any except general ball park testing rich young these are not kodaks opinions windows bitmap re what does the bmp format mean iuj el ie kiu lando demandis pri bitmap oj kaj iu el fi finnlando respondis dirante pri libro en software development kit eble la demandinto ne havas la elvolvilo por malmol varoj that was esperanto some from ie asked about bitmaps and some from fi responded saying about a book int the software development kit possibly the asker does not have the development kit gxong cxjijaux s ro baseball re yogi isms in article 1993apr2 153725 17543 bsu ucs 00mbstultz leo bsuvc bsu edu writes heres an interesting quote from bill veek from get that nigger off the field josh gibson was at minimum two yogi berras speaking of yogi anybody know any good yogi isms mike curious george stultz heres one i remember sort of yogis asleep in a hotel room late at night and gets a call from someone after he answers the phone the person at the other end asks if he woke yogi up yogi answered no the phone did kevin guns re ban all firearms in article c5d42c 88k undergrad math uwaterloo ca papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca paul prescod writes drugs are banned please tell me when this supply will dry up drugs are easier to manufacture easier to smuggle easier to hide no comparison you sir are an ignorant fool who knows nothing about either the drug business or the gun business tim starr renaissance now assistant editor freedom network news the newsletter of isil the international society for individual liberty 1800 market st san francisco ca 94102 415 864 0952 fax 415 864 7506 71034 2711 compuserve com think universally act selfishly starr genie slhs udel edu medicine thermoscan ear thermomete to ashwin cc gatech edu ashwin ram ar does the thermoscan instrument really work it is supposed to give you a absolutely ya dont have to do the other end it is accurate but technique is important cccbbs rob welder uceng uc edu qmpro 1 02 41 4771 see it only hurts for a little while cars re warning please read unfortunately ive got another story to add to this my girlfriend and i were driving through west l a and got pelted by a rock just as we were pulling away from a stoplight the scary thing was that the rock was heavy enough to put a decent sized dent in the door of my 72 riviera which is pretty much solid detriot iron couple of inches higher and it would have gone through the window chris chris barrus chrisb lynx ps uci edu kallista aol com 1972 buick riviera boattail peace through superior automotive power sacred cows make the best hamburger abbie hoffman medicine any interest in a mailing list on epilepsy and seizures i have seen a fair bit of traffic recently concerning epilepsy and seizures i am also interested in this subject i have a son with epilepsy and i am very active with the local association i posted a message like this a few months ago and received no replies but here it is again is anyone interested in participating in a mailing list on epilepsy and seizures this would allow us to hold discussions and share information via electronic mail i already run a listserver for two other groups so the mechanics would be easy if you are interested mail me a note if i get enough replies i will make it happen and provide you with the details btw i have also started a database on epilepsy this is part of my research on natural language question answering systems users of this service are able to ask questions about epilepsy and the program searches the database and retrieves its best response the technology works by comparing your question against a set of questions that have been seen before all new questions that are not answered are recorded and used to improve the system this database is still small and sparse but we are adding new information to try it out do the following telnet debra dgbt doc ca login chat then select the epilepsy item from the menu of databases andrew patrick ph d communications research centre ottawa canada andrew calvin dgbt doc ca for a good time run telnet debra dgbt doc ca and login as chat medicine re antihistamine for sleep aid in article 1993apr29 052044 23918 nmt edu houle nmt edu paul houle writes anyway i am looking for advice for the use of antihistamines as sleep aids and if there are any dangers of such use seems safe to me since they are used chronically for allergies by millions i dont want to try bzs because bz addiction seems to be a serious threat and from what i hear bz sleep quality is not good whereas antihistamine sleep quality seems to be better for me i have tried some dietary tryptophan loading stuff and that also seems to lower sleep quality i seem to wake up around 4 00 or so and be in some kind of mental haze until 7 00 or 8 00 also i would be interested in any other advice for helping my problem although ive already tried many of the non pharmacological solutions well i think you might want to visit a doctor who is familiar with sleep disturbances because antihistamines only help induce sleep when theyre used intermittently they lose their sedative effect if theyre used on a nightly basis their anticholinergic effects drying of secretions relaxing effects on smooth muscle can be problematic in some people such as those with glaucoma or prostate enlargement antihistamines like diphenhydramine benadryl or doxylamine unisom are potent sedatives which are useful occasionally chlorpheniramine chlor trimeton is said to be less sedative but 8mg seems to work well in some people both chlorpheniramine and doxylamine have long half lives compared to diphenhydramine and so may produce a residual hangover or drugged feeling the next morning steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer cars re viper car alarms u1815 cs uiuc edu ronald e garnett writes ron viper also sells some fancy field disturbance sensor that ron supposedly detects people approcahing the car ron if your viper system were tuned like a neighbors is you wouldnt get any sleep because of the damn thing waking every one in the neighborhood up we all used to try to ignore the alarm but have now made a pact to bombard the house with night time visits and phone calls when ever we are awakened because some thunder storm passed over the next county or a stray dog looked at the car car alarms are a serious pain in the ass ks p s real men dont have car radios since the exhaust is too loud to hear it anyway grin k a sturrock anthropology georgia state university ksturroc gsu edu baseball re torre the worst manager dak988s vma smsu edu said no hal mcrae is the worst manager in baseball ive never seen a guy who can waste talent like he can one of the best raw talent staffs in the league and hes still finding a way to lose ill be surprised if he makes it through the next 2 weeks unless drastic improvement is made im confused how is it hal mcraes fault that he cant win with a team whose best offensive player is phil hiatt i mean lets be real kansas city will have to get outstanding years from their entire staff just to end up near 500 they have less offense than any other team in baseball even if you count the expansion teams david m tate dtate pitt edu greetings sir with bat not quick member iie orsa tims sabr hands not soft eye not discerning and in denver they call you a slugger the big catullus galarraga and compare you to my own mattingly baseball re the mets are rapists writes in the new book about the mets it talks about how they like to rape little girls before games sick jerks max is this the book by bob klapisch spelling the worst team money can buy if it is i wouldnt give the book or anything in it any value whatsoever klapisch wrote the book to make money obviously and sensational literature is going to sell a lot better than what he usually writes for the papers im not calling him a liar but if there was any proof that a met player had raped a little girl before a game let alone doing it on a regular basis they would be in jail not shea for those people who do not know what the press is like in new york it is probably more cut throat than in just about any other part of the u s keith hernandez said it very well on espn a couple of days ago they would much rather mention a clubhouse fight than a two run homer in the ninth to win a game i do not read klapischs news columns regularly but i do know that he has been accused before as being an instigator that enjoys hopefully for only professional reasons to drumb up a news story even if there isnt one there now as far as the confrontation with bobby bonilla a few days ago i almost totally blame bonilla no matter what a member of the press does and no matter how much of a putrid individual he might be that does not give a ballplayer the right to threaten a journalist personally i always thought that a beat writer that always follows a club around should report the news but not be looking to degrade a team i dont know whether to blame klapisch because that may be the only way to keep a job in new york cars re where can i get a new york taxi in article c5r66a 6rb srgenprp sr hp com almanb sr hp com bob alman writes hose h o s e dork d o r k medicine intravenous antibiotics i recently had a case of shingles and my doctors wanted to give me intravenous acyclovir it was a pain finding iv sites in my arms can i have some facts about how advantageous it is to give intravenous antibiotics rather than oral marty baseball re rickey henderson in article 1993apr5 173500 26383 ra msstate edu js1 isis msstate edu jiann ming su writes i say buy out hendersons contract and let him go bag groceries next season youll be able to sign him for nothing that goes for any bitching ball player stay in school you have a lot to learn cars re seating ergonomics headroom in article 930411 153152 amiller almaden ibm com amiller almaden ibm com alex miller writes my physical therapist has suggested that a good driving position for me is to have my back nearly vertical and for my knees not to be much higher than my hips are there any cars that are particularly good in respect to having both headroom and a well designed seat height take a look at mini vans i sat in a dodge caravan which had a high seat and plenty of headroom dick grady salem nh usa grady world std com so many newsgroups so little time baseball re braves pitching updatedir in article c5l40c 9lc murdoch acc virginia edu david robert walker writes in article 8994 blue cis pitt edu traven pitt edu neal traven writes one also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning with the split probably somewhere around 49 5 and 0 5 id give baserunning a little more credit than that maybe 45 5 or even 40 10 give a team of roberto alomar and a team of john oleruds identical batting stats which wouldnt be that unreasonable and even if you dont let roberto steal a single base theyll score a lot more than the oleruds by going first to third more often no offense gordon i wouldnt give baserunning that much value the above effect is clear but there are other effects as well if olerud hits a double any runner on first will score if alomar legs an extra base onto a hit in the gap the runner on first may need to hold at third thus oleruds doubles have more advancement value than alomars of course alomar is more likely to score after hitting a double another reason not to give too much extra value to baserunning is that the runs created formulas work for very fast and very slow teams no team in the 1950s ran much but some teams certainly had faster players than others still the current runs created formulas work just as well in the 1950s for all teams bill james gives the 1955 1958 senators as an example they used harmon killebrew regularly as a pinch runner and in 1957 stole 13 bases with 38 times caught stealing yet they scored slightly more runs than predicted by runs created david grabiner grabiner zariski harvard edu we are sorry but the number you have dialed is imaginary please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again disclaimer i speak for no one and no one speaks for me medicine mevicore vs lopid vs i used to be on lopid it did a good job of reducing cholesterol 295 down to around 214 as well as ldl and triglycerides then i got pneumonia and for some reason the lopid stopped working very well cholesterol and triglycerides soared the levels might have stabilized over time but a new doctor had me quit wait a month then switch to mevicore on mevicore my total cholesterol was down to 207 ldl was 108 and hdl was 35 but the trigs were still very high around 318 and my liver tests came back slightly abnormal sgot 83 n 1 35 ggtp hard to read copy 42 n 0 35 he said the liver numbers were not offbase enough to cause him concern and the triglycerides are not as important as the cholesterol figures he had me stop the mevicore to allow the liver to heal just to be extra cautious though im sure its not a problem and wants me to go back on it after that i suggested maybe lopid might be the better choice and he said that he wouldnt object if thats what i want to do but lopid has one particular side effect im not fond of should the above liver and trig figures be feared what happens to folks with high trig levels is my liver in danger with the above results would i be better off on lopid despite its inconvenient side effect or perhaps some other drug niacin affected my liver too guns the cold war who really won if one reasons that the united states of america at one time represented and protected freedom individual liberty and personal responsibility and i do in fact think that this is true and that totalitarianism absolute government control and tyranny represents freedoms opposite which it does did the usa really win the cold war standard disclaimers always apply graham k glover unmutual baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr20 004746 13007 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard says to say that one player is better than another is to be able to say ab solutely that player as team would have played better with player b in their lineup sheer speculation impossible to ascertain to take this to its er logical conclusion it is impossible to ascertain whether or not i am a better hitter than roberto alomar or a better pitcher than juan guzman or a better center fielder than devon white after all if i were on the blue jays can you really prove that they wouldnt have won the world series in both 1991 and 1992 while i thank you mister maynard for your faith in my atheletic prowess i can assure you that your faith is misplaced bob vesterman baseball re hbp bb big cat in article 9460 blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu david m tate writes kubey sgi com ken kubey said and finally id like to point out that many high obp guys draw their walks more because pitchers are afraid to throw a strike to them than because they have a great eye im not sure i used to think this was true but more and more im becoming convinced that its the other way around among players with the physical ability to hit the ball real hard the patient ones are the ones who get the chance to do it a lot lets break down the four basic categories of hitter according to whether they are power threats and whether they walk a lot power no power patient frank thomas brett butler barry bonds ozzie smith mark mcgwire craig grebeck babe ruth miller huggins ted williams billy hamilton rickey henderson eddie joost joe morgan mike hargrove impatient ernie banks ozzie guillen dave kingman shawon dunston joe carter andres thomas george bell jose lind kirby puckett devon white okay i think we all agree that singles hitters should take a strike or two and try to get on base any way they can so the no power impatient guys have no excuse the no power patient guys are doing the right thing now the impatient power guys how could you leave out the big cat would these guys have a better slugging percentage if they took more pitches perhaps but i doubt it if you tell joe carter to go up there and take a few pitches he will draw more walks but he also wont hit as many frozen ropes into the bleachers because he is more likely to hold back on a pitch that he used to drive the patient power guys joe morgan had a small strike zone and rickey henderson has a strike zone the size of hitlers heart so they get their walks based on the small zone look at the other 5 guys thomas bonds mcgwire ruth and williams wow a lot of pitchers would rather nibble at the corners and maybe walk these guys that to throw a clear strike to them the pitchers would do better in my opinion by just coming after them with a good fastball for a strike on the first pitch but pitchers would rather nibble go 2 0 or 3 1 and then get hurt ken kubey kubey wpd sgi com 415 390 3536 cars re im getting a car i need opinions good luck guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 4615 isgtec isgtec com robert isgtec com robert osborne writes michael frederick rhein mfrhein wpi wpi edu wrote in article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas not that i agree with the original theory or anything buuuuut since their utilities were turned off they might be using wood stoves to cook their meals but they also might have run out of fire wood maybe chopping up furnature they also may not have been cooking but eating mres and other delicacies stored for just such an occation just a thought brent yes i am well aware that their electricity was cut thanks to the hundreds of e mail messages and replies to my post irvine personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were windows re workspace managers for win 3 1 locations in article 1993apr27 152233 906 bert eecs uic edu you write cah tactix rain com chris huey writes jamie scuglia jamie zikzak apana org au wrote thanks to all those people who recommended workspace managers for windows 3 1 i found 3 shareware workspace managers from australias ms windows archive monu6 cc monash edu au which mirrors some sites in the u s the three i found were 1 workspaces 1 10 wspace zip review deleted 2 workshift 1 6 wrksft16 zip review deleted 3 bigdesk 2 30 and backmenu backdesk zip review deleted i really appreciate this information however given that i dont have direct internet access which means i dont have archie access i must resort to using ftpmail this means that i need the site name and the directory where these workspace managers are located backdesk zip is on cica but im not sure of the whole directory another to throw into the running is topdesk it is alsow on cica but im not sure where it is more complicated then backdesk but ive found it to be more stable and more usefull i recomend it to people who have already used a virtual desktop oh yeh its free copyright microsoft and sanford staab carl zmola cicero spc uchicago edu ok here are some usefull applications and locations and other on cica or mirrors in the desktop directory wrksft16 zip 39798 920915 wokshift graphical virtual desktop ver 1 6 email author about version 2 0 desk240 zip 164690 921103 desktop tools for windows 3 x backmenu 2 4 bigdesk later version than backdesk topdesk zip 51051 920723 virtual windows for windows finder zip 930329 a mac finder clone for windows works well with backmenu also look out for superbar 2 0 due out soon it allows button bars to be added to almost any application o paul blackman pwb science canberra edu au o water research centre pwb aerg canberra edu au o faculty of applied science o university of canberra australia spend a little love and get high lenny kravitz cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article 1r8ufk fr7 usenet ins cwru edu aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer writes in a previous article finnegan nrlssc navy mil says in article apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu eliot writes the subarus all use 180 degree vees in their engines eliot wouldnt that make them an i4 or would they really be an 4 henceforth referred to as underscore 4 i think that it is technicaly known as a 180 degree vee configuration could be wrong this is how ive seen them referred to drew ive always heard them referred to horizontally opposed joe joseph staudt telxon corp joes telxon com p o box 5582 usenet is like tetris for people who still akron oh 44334 0582 remember how to read 216 867 3700 x3522 j heller religion re rosicrucian order s in article 1qppef i5b usenet ins cwru edu ch981 cleveland freenet edu tony alicea writes name just three really competing rosicrucian orders i have probably spent more time than you doing the same none of them are spin offs from o t o the opposite may be the case can we assume from this statement that you are unequivocally saying that amorc is not a spin off of oto and that in fact oto may well be a spin off of amorc i would be quite interested in hearing what evidence you have to support this claim study harder study smarter not harder more more of everything more of everything for everybody real total war has become information war it is being fought now max delysid alamut netcom com alamutbbs 415 431 7541 1 125 51 baseball jewish baseball players just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we werent able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help thanks bobby guns re my turn dan sorenson writing ds id rather not get into the nationalized medical care debate ds here but i find it amazing that criminals often live better than the ds rest of the population in some aspects and that were paying for ds them to do so as an example in november i had my annual dental here you are somewhat in error in all respects we are paying when we are not paying for their countryclub incarceration we are paying with our lives and belongings as their prey upon what would they practice their nefarious predatory acts if not for the citizens of this country what is amazing to me is the mindset of those who overtly and covertly perpetuate a justice system har that essentially mandates that some of us offer up ourselves as that prey while they suitably insulate themselves from the preyground olx 2 2 church of crime justice come let us prey ye olde bailey bbs 713 520 1569 v 32bis 713 520 9566 v 32bis houston texas yob sccsi com home of alt cosuard medicine sore spot on testicles my husband woke up three days ago with a small sore spot a spot about the size of a nickel on one of his testicles bottom side no knots or lumps just a little sore spot he says it reminds him of how a bruise feels he has no recollection of hitting it or anything like that that would cause a bruise he asssures me hed remember something like that any clues as to what it might be hes somewhat of a hypochondriac sp so hes sure hes gonna die thanks the opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the university of north carolina at chapel hill the campus office for information technology or the experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad unc edu or 152 2 22 80 religion re is it good that jesus died in article 1993apr22 213142 6964 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes to you it shouldnt matter if you do evil things or good things it is all meaningless in the end anyway so go rob a bank go tell someone you dislike that he is a dirty rotten slime bag whats restraining you generally reciprocation cars re experience opinions sought diesel engines in article 91321 hydra gatech edu jkg jmp com writes apologies if this is a faq is there a faq posting for this group i am an infrequent reader of rec autos so i cant remember i am in the market for a used chevy suburban and have observed that prices for models with diesel engines run about 1000 2000 less than comparable models with a gas engine there has to be a reason for this yes there is consumer confusion in the early 80s with the fuel crisis etc everyone wanted better fuel mileage diesel fuel was the cheapest fuel available and usually provides better mileage than comparable gasoline engines so gm decided to conver their 350 gas engine into a diesel engine i think was a 5 7 liter big mistake the engine was not redesigned but converted the engine could not handle the higher compression etc lots of problems with these cars this thew up a big red flag to the casual observer don t buy a diesel they are bad this was a gross generalization ask yourself this question if your livelihood depended on driving lots of it would you use a dependable or undependable but cheaper in the short run vehicle what do greyhound busses have in them trailer trucks even train locomotives are these gasoline engines no they are diesel tractor trailer truck manufacturers provide a 500 000 mile warrantee with they vehicles i own an 82 diesel suburban the 6 2l diesel is a great engine just keeps going it was more expensive when new than the gasoline engine vehicle was the only problem with diesel engines is that when they need to be rebuilt they are expensive in a gas 350 engine you will pay about 1000 for a rebuild diesel 6 2l is about 2000 but then again the diesel engine lasts about twice as long and gets about 50 better mileage a carburator for a gasoline engine costs about 100 to rebuild or less a rebuild of the fuel injection pump on a diesel will cost about 500 or more but then again you never need a tune up if youre looking at a rebuilt 6 2l id say you got a great deal check to see if the fuel injection pump was rebuilt also good luck guns re guns in backcountry no thanks reimer uinpla npl uiuc edu paul e reimer writes there are a lot of automobile accidents but atleast there is some regulation to try to combat this when i got my drivers license i had to take a drivers safety class i have to be licensed to drive my car must be registered i must at least where i live have liability insurance on both myself driving and my car if someone else had an accident with it hmm wouldnt manditory saftey classes registration of both the owner and gun and manditory liability insurance be nice for gun owners as im sure others will have pointed out to you by now none of the above measures are required for you on your own property you do not have to have a license your car does not have to be registered or inspected and you do not have to have insurance or safety training classes when you own and operate that vehicle on your own premises if you are going to make use of this dubious analogy at least make it accurate and by the way in texas you can drive a car in public with the proper credentials but an ordinary civilian cant carry a gun legally in public to save his her life so i wont even consider registration manadatory safety classes or manadatory liability insurance unless i get a federal law repealing all local state and federal gun control laws which abridge the second amendment and a non discretionary federal weapons carry permit good anywhere in the united states come on you wanted the analogy mike ruff this above all to thine own s t r i d e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self be true polonius those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin medicine re getting aids from acupuncture needles in article 1r4f8b euu agate berkeley edu romdas uclink berkeley edu ella i baff writes someone wrote in expressing concern about getting aids from acupuncture needles unless your friend is sharing fluids with their acupuncturist who themselves has aids it is unlikely not impossible they will get aids from acupuncture needles generally even if accidently inoculated the normal immune response should be enough to effectively handle the minimal contaminant involved with acupuncture needle insertion isnt this what hiv is about the normal immune response to an exposure most acupuncturists use disposable needles use once and throw away i had electrical pulse nerve testing done a while back the needles were taken from a dirty drawer in an instrument cart and were most certainly not sterile or even clean for that matter more than likely they were fresh from the previous patient i was concerned but i kept my mouth shut i probably should have raised hell any comments no excuses guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5sv88 hjy news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas do you eat all your food cold ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves very popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially and they work especially well when the feds have cut off your utilities cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet baseball re nl vs al in article 1993apr13 184311 16351 news yale edu sean garrison says in article 93102 164224rvesterm vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu wrote pitchers who are doing well are more likely to be taken out of the game in the nl than they are in the al so it seems to me that the al not the nl promotes pitchers duels bob vesterman on what basis do you make this statement q sean are you serious pitchers are pinch hit for in the nl they are not in the nl if a pitcher is cranking in the al he will stay in the game if he is cranking in the nl he may not especially if its a pitchers duel and his team needs an extra run bob vesterman baseball re super tough baseball trivia in article 1993apr17 015908 10416 ncar ucar edu amj rsf atd ucar edu anthony michael jivoin writes in the bruce springsteen video glory days from the born in the usa album they show two quick shots of a baseball game on television in the bar bruce and the e street band are playing name the teams which stadium who is the pitcher what two batters go down swinging also at the end of the video bruce is throwing at a wooden strike zone and his last pitch a young boy lines a base hit into center as bruce and the kid walk of the field the kid asks him how he did today bruce mentions the team he was playing and that a certain player got him in the bottom of the ninth name the player and the team sandiego and graig nettles if anyone gets these ill be impressed anthony m jivoin national center for atmospheric research rsf atd fl1 p o box 3000 boulder co 80307 guns re gritz jbs liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian in article 1qanj0 22d usenet ins cwru edu cj195 cleveland freenet edu john w redelfs writes how many are aware that the gun control act of 1968 is a verbatim translation of a nazi gun control law passed shortly before the holocaust for those of you who think im being paranoid in asking these questions pray that you are right unchecked democracies usually end in dictatorship remember germany was a democracy when hitler rose to power can we be absolutely certain nothing like that could happen today i cant speak for the organizations you cited but everywhere you look in our society and government one can see the relentless movement toward one world government the fact that the media demeans such charished values as patriotism nationalism and protectionism are some of the clues the fact that we are sapping the economic strength of americans to prop up a former and possibly future enemy is just another the fact the words like community of nations global village and international business are in vogue are others international corporations are destroying our identy and economy and the propaganda they are playing through the media and government is over powering our ability to resist our porous border both people and trade are an indiciation that we have already lost a great deal of sovergnty the bottome line is that the single most evil aspect of one world government is that you have nowhere to run to and history has proven that would be a disaster beware the liberal and the conservative and the moderate think for yourself medicine re barbecued foods and health risk in article c5mv3v 2o5 world std com rsilver world std com richard silver writes some recent postings remind me that i had read about risks associated with the barbecuing of foods namely that carcinogens are generated is this a valid concern if so is it a function of the smoke or the elevated temperatures is it a function of the cooking elements wood or charcoal vs lava rocks i wish to know more thanks ive read mixed opinions on this singed meat can contain carcinogens but unless you eat barbecued meat every meal youre probably not at much risk i think i will live life on the edge and grill my food ive also read that using petroleum based charcoal starter can put some unwanted toxins in your food or at least unwanted odor ive been using egg carton cups dipped in paraffin for fire starters and it actually lights faster and easier than lighter fluid several people have told me that they have excellent results with a chimney basically a steel cylinder with wholes punched in the side ive been meaning to get one of these but one hasnt presented itself while ive been out shopping you can make one from a coffee can but i buy my coffee as whole beans in a bag so i havent had a big enough can laying around jason c austin j c austin larc nasa gov baseball re david wells has david wells landed with a team yet id think the tigers with their anemic pitching would grab this guy pronto dc guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news in article c4tm1h ecf magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes hambidge bms com wrote in article c4psog c6 magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes rate per capita rate the uk is more dangerous though you may be less likely to be killed by a handgun the average individual citizen in the uk is twice as likely to be killed by whatever means as the average swiss would you feel any better about being killed by means other than a handgun i wouldnt what an absurd argument switzerland is one fifth the size of the uk with one eigth as many people therefore at any given point on swiss soil you are more likely to be crow bait more importantly you are 4x as likely to be killed by the next stranger approaching you on a swiss street than in the uk you are betraying your lack of understanding about rate versus total number rates are expressed often as 100 000 population therefore if a place had 10 deaths and a population of 100 000 the rate would be 10 100 000 a place that had 50 deaths and a population of 1 000 000 would hav a rate of 5 100 000 the former has a higher rate the latter a higher total you are less likely to die in the latter simple enuff for chrissakes take out your calculator and work out the numbers here ive preformatted them for you to make it easier handgun homicides population switzerland 24 6 350 000 uk 8 55 670 000 and then tell me again how switzerland is safer with a more liberal handgun law than the uk is without by rate or total number your choice if you want to talk less likely to get killed with a handgun youd have a point safer includes other things than simply handguns and you cant conclude safer by ignoring them now if somebodys got the total homicide rates david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu mail to veal utkvm1 utk edu will bounce taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed lazarus long religion re comments on the koresh 3 02 transcript in article 1993apr14 200259 20419 microsoft com iank microsoft com ian kennedy writes stephen wrote correction to my prior post proper citation is isaiah 30 26 moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days in the day that the lord bindeth up the breach of his people and healeth the stroke of their wound so we have to wait for the sun to nova more along the lines of hebrews 12 25 29 i reckon see that you refuse not him that speaks for if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth much more shall not we escape if we turn away from him that speaks from heaven whose voice then shook the earth but now he has promised saying yet once more i shake not the earth only but also heaven and this word yet once more signifies the removing of those things that are shaken as of things that are made that those things which cannot be shaken may remain wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved let us have grace whereby we may serve god acceptably with reverence and godly fear for our god is a consuming fire or 2nd thessalonians 1 7 10 and to you who are troubled rest with us when the lord jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not god and that obey not the gospel of our lord jesus christ who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the lord and from the glory of his power when he shall come to be glorified in his saints and to be admired in all them that believe because our testimony among you was believed in that day kinda gives flaming a whole new meaning i reckon the impression i got from talking with livingston was that the coming of the lord power wise is going to be something that those who are unprepared cant handle kinda like overloading a fuse due to guilt somehow it seems to also apply to the entire physical world as we know it lf suggests that god doesnt want that and has sent koresh as a reminder seems that those who have been purified through salvation or that those protected by the seals will be the ones who survive and no i dont have a good idea yet what being shielded by the seals actually involves or how exactly it relates to salvation other than it involves the marriage of the bridegroom and the bride for those of you biblical well versed me personally im totally 100 dependent on god through christ so if god wants me to understand good if not also good if god wants to save me or dispose of me thats great either way being born in the spirit means being part of the body of christ ephesians 2 so who and what i was matters little whats important is loving god come nova nuke or apocalypse who cares satan might even be able to pull off a pretty convincing fake big deal not worth fearing or worrying about though not before the greater glory of god maybe koresh is right maybe he isnt and it should be interesting to see the new message or prophecy the tour of the bible ive taken in studying the passages he points to in the 3 02 text has been most re warding but the test of prophecy is still the fruit it bears which is not yet clear much much more important is charity which by definition is love for god i hope dear reader youve taken all this as an expression of faith and not a statement of mere fact seems many folks get real upset at reminders j stephen cars re rfi art of clutchless shifting in article 1993apr23 010311 23110 ra oc com lusky ccwf cc utexas edu jonathan r lusky writes shifting without the clutch on a transmission with syncros can and will cause transmission damage the only question being how long it takesto grenade something for the trans in my 87 pulsar se it was about 3 5k miles but it had a weak tranny in the first place please explain the why of this i have over 200k miles usage of clutchless shift and no problems krispy guns letter to the president heres a copy of a letter im e mailing to the slickster at his address of 75300 3115 compuserve com to william j clinton president of the united states of america mr president i am writing to express my utter outrage at the conduct of various government agencies in regards to the tragedy in waco i demand the dismissal or resignation of lloyd bensen secretary of the treasury who bears responsibility for the initial helicopter and grenade attack by the atf against the branch davidians and of janet reno who authorized the final assault on the very day that we were commemorating the warsaw ghetto revolt and i would truly appreciate it if you would make sure something like this never happens again on your watch respectfully yours kenneth d whitehead get involved gang its your republic lets take it back i will be much more willing to believe the governments side of the waco story after we are allowed to hear from the survivors so far all weve gotten has been censored by the very people who have the most to cover up and id really like to know how they got the press who complained so loudly about being kept off the front lines during the gulf war be such obedient lap dogs in waco kind of makes me wonder if this so called freedom of the press isnt highly overrated ken whitehead kdw odin icd ab com cars re headlights problem thanks to all of you who responded to my posting the problem with my trucks headlights low beam problem was a loose wire connection it was not the fuse as a minority of you suggested thanks again religion re alt sex stories under literary critical analysis in article 1qevbh h7v agate berkeley edu dzkriz ocf berkeley edu dennis kriz wrote im going to try to do something here that perhaps many would not have thought even possible i want to begin the process of initiating a literary critical study of the pornography posted on alt sex stories to identify the major themes and motifs present in the stories posted there opening up then the possibility of an objective moral evaluation of the material present there dennis im astounded i didnt know you were interested to even study such filth as alt sex stories provide cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net windows winword spelling dictionaries for non us english word for windows lets me designate text as being in a language other than us english alt f l format language as i recall so i mark it for english uk but it still accepts rumor and squawks at rumour as far as i can see microsoft didnt include the english uk dictionary on my disks i dont mean to imply that i was singled out i assume that nobody in the u s got them i dialed the microsoft bbs but nothing in the word for windows section looked helpful can anyone tell me where or how to obtain the uk spelling dictionary for winword 2 0 the file name would be spell uk lex or something similar email please ill post a summary stan brown oak road systems brown ncoast org english is my native language and i love it but dont try to tell me that its easy to learn or that it makes sense if it were baseline would rhyme with vaseline baseball re bo was a good player you shorts plus idiots in article c50m9d dv murdoch acc virginia edu drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu david robert walker writes bo jackson 1963 1988 kcr 437 106 16 4 23 28 29 7 253 67 243 288 455 1989 kcr 517 134 19 5 33 41 27 10 274 92 259 314 507 1990 kcr 405 110 17 1 27 44 16 9 286 77 272 343 519 1991 cws 71 16 3 0 3 12 0 1 240 10 225 337 394 maj 1430 366 55 10 86 125 72 27 270 246 256 316 489 maj 598 153 23 4 36 52 30 11 this is what jackson looked like in 88 91 with everything converted to a neutral park on the basis of run production his equivalent average started at 253 in 88 was up to 274 in 89 and 286 in 90 so let us say he had established in his last two seasons a 280 level of play im not quite sure how these numbers are generated it appears that in a neutral park bos hr and slugging tend to drop he actually loses two home runs or do they what is equivalent average one thing when looking at bos stats is that you can see that kc took away some homers normally you expect some would be homers to go for doubles or triples in big parks or to be caught and for that matter you expect lots of doubles and triples anyway but bo despite his speed hit very few doubles and not that many triples so i would expect his value to have risen quite considerably in a neutral park that is good very good in fact but it probably doesnt make the top ten in the league the 10th best eqa in the al in 1992 was dave winfields 296 thomas was first at 350 first in the nl was bonds an incroyable 378 tenth was bip roberts 297 but 280 is better than any season in the past five years by joe carter it is about what mattingly had in 1988 285 what felix jose had the last two years just ahead of time raines five year average better than ryan kleskos mles felix jose has been a 350 440 player in a fairly neutral park i would offhand guess the 89 90 bo at around a 330 530 player maybe 330 550 not even close he got more attention from the media than was warranted from his baseball playing though his hype was a lot better than his hitting that is the basis for the net comments about him being overrated the media would have you beleive he was a great hitter i think he was a good maybe very good hitter he was imo something like the 30th best hitter in the majors id put him about there too note i hadnt realized the media had hyped him so much i thought he was always viewed by them as a better football player and only so so at baseball he did only have one 30 hr 100 rbi season and kc wasnt winning note 2 i maybe have harped on this a bit in the past but there is a mistake being made by the sdcns as they are known on this group with respect to players like bo and deion and lofton and perhaps others we find that if you look at a large group of players their past major and minor league numbers will predict their future numbers fairly well their are some caveats the younger they are the less good the prediction the lower the minor league the less good i imagine the more recent the player has left college ball etc now of course this prediction involves quite a bit of error sometimes a player with poor mles dave justice the 1990 ventura becomes a star some hitters develop shane mack brian downing some dont oddibe mcdowell mickey brantley this error involves real things there are real reasons why oddibe didnt hit and shane did it may who knows involve parks and batting coaches and wheaties and injuries and lifting and so on but still you have this big pool of players and things work pretty well one of the reasons for these predictions accuracy is the common background of the players one thing we know about professional baseball players is that all of them or almost all have spent a good deal of time playing ball their backgrounds are similar what hasnt been established is what happens when you encounter a player with a different background is there some reason to believe that a bo or a deion or a lofton or a tony gwynn or an ainge or so on has such a different background that the standard model and standard assumptions fit this person slowly it hasnt been established that you can use mles with two sport players it hasnt been established that you cant but then statistics is after all an art i personally think otherwise lucid individuals continually make completely nonsensical statements about bo and deion and lofton look at those good but not great minor league numbers they say well what happens if those numbers simply dont mean what they usually mean it might mean that ken lofton suddenly has a better year in houston than tuscon it might mean that deion suddenly has a better half year in atlanta than greenville then again it might not ken and deion might go right back in the tank this year live up to those poor mles but you guys dont know whats worse you dont know that you dont and you dont know that there are other players you wont know about injuries and lifting and wheaties again you seem to think that the model is perfect and eternal its not its got some error oh well bill guilford still thinks hairy butt is truly ugly might be right baseball re how to speed up games marginally realistic in article 2696 2bd66165 atlas nafb trw com mspede atlas nafb trw com writes in article 1r3huvinniju jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo a iglesias writes batter and to my amazement the umpire missed it in the 12 years that i played ball this was worst piece of umpiring i ever saw now this sounds like a fun topic in a slo pitch softball game we had the first base dugout one of our players hit a shot down the first base line with the bases loaded the only question was fair or foul ball hits ground chalk flies umpire calls foul we give him the standard didnt you see chalk line his response was it hit the foul half of the line we all started laughing mark pede not bad we had a similar situation slowpitch softball bases loaded weakest hitter at the plate he hits a line drive over the third basemans head that hooked and hooked and finally landed ten feet in foul ground almost hitting the fence down that side of the field but the umpire called fair ball i was coaching third yelling at evrybody to move up a base the umps position it was still fair when it passed third base why the other team didnt immediately protest ill never know we certainly werent going to argue about it since every body did manage to advance one base safely there was also the time when a batted ball ricocheted off my runner from second base leg fielded by the ss steps on second to force the runner from first and throw to first in time for what the umpire called a triple play protest removed when we won the game anyway clay d medicine biological alchemy biological alchemy another form of cold fusion alternative heavy element creation in universe a very simple experiment can demonstrate prove the fact of biological transmutations reactions like mg o ca si c ca k h ca n2 co etc as described in the book biological transmutations by louis kervran 1972 edition is best and in chapter 17 of the book the secret life of plants by peter tompkins and christopher bird 1973 1 obtain a good sample of plant seeds all of the same kind some kinds might work better that others 2 divide the sample into two groups of equal weight and number 3 sprout one group in distilled water on filter paper for three or four weeks 4 separately incinerate both groups 5 weigh the residue from each group the residue of the sprouted group will usually weigh at least several percent more than the other group 6 analyze quantitatively the residue of each group for mineral content some of the mineral atoms of the sprouted group have been transmuted into heavier mineral elements by fusing with atoms of oxygen hydrogen carbon nitrogen etc biological transmutations occur routinely even in our own bodies ingesting a source of organic silicon silicon with carbon such as horsetail extract or radishes can speed healing of broken bones via the reaction si c ca much faster than by merely ingesting the calcium directly some mineral deposits in the ground are formed by micro organisms fusing together atoms of silicon carbon nitrogen oxygen hydrogen etc the two reactions si c ca by micro organisms cause stone sickness in statues building bricks etc the reaction n2 co catalysed by very hot iron creates a carbon monoxide poison hazard for welder operators and people near woodstoves even properly sealed ones some bacteria can even neutralize radioactivity all of these things and more happen in spite of the currently accepted laws of physics including the law which says that atomic fusion requires extremely high temperatures and pressures biological transmutations and their applications in chemistry physics biology ecology medicine nutrition agrigulture geology 1st edition by c louis kervran active member of new york academy of science 1972 163 pages illustrated swan house publishing co p o box 638 binghamton ny 13902 the secret life of plants by peter tompkins and christopher bird 1973 402 pages harper row new york chapters 19 and 20 are about radionics entire book is fascinating for more information answers to your questions etc please consult my cited sources the two books un altered reproduction and dissemination of this important information is encouraged robert e mcelwaine b s physics and astronomy uw ec baseball re jewish baseball players in article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes its stankiewicz not stankowitz and hes not jewish hes polish by the way the correct pronunciation according to stanky himself is ston kev itch all the sportscasters get it wrong polish and jewish are not mutually exclusive mark singer mss netcom com cars re the 1994 mustang they beat ford to the market with the camaro firebird but really only in words production of these vehicles will be limited until the end of the year keeping selling prices above msrp for the most part since there are so many twitching camaro fans out there drivel i received delivery of my 93 trans am 7 weeks after i ordered promised 6 8 weeks and paid 400 over dealer invoice which is a 1425 discount off of msrp i only have about 370 miles on it but so far no problems and it seems very well put together by the way first year production will be about 60 000 cars dealers would like you to think there is a shortage but considering they only sold about 90 000 f bodies last year and the new model was introduced mid year that is not going to create a shortage gm planning on ramping to about 160 000 f bodies next year according to a wsj article several people have mentioned seeing a photo of the 94 mustang in popular mechanics i saw a photo of it in motor trend january 1993 issue p30 direct side on view although they described it as a seriously handsome car with broad shoulders i thought it looked pretty boring in that view roofline reminded me of a toyota celica yuch description of mechanicals same as has been reported from the pm article terry quinn germantown hills il tquinn heartland bradley edu from compuserve internet tquinn heartland bradley edu windows re challenge to microsoft supporters this is the part that usually gets me while i am set to make money there usually are other things to be considered and debated that is the purpose of life like it or not stock prices and sales of a particular product are measures of success they can be measures of short term or long term success i think in ms case they are a good measure of their long term success the original post mentioned how it seems on this group that there are a large number of people attacking ms and not willing to accept anything positive about ms i was trying to make a point that the attacks are over emphasized and to look at the sales of ms products they definitely tell a different story i also think a large number of the attackers or debaters as you call them are highly technical look around in the real world people dont want to grep and auck and ls l they just want to push the buttons and get their job done on a reasonably priced piece of hardware that does not need a computer smart guy to load configure etc etc like it or not ms and the multitudes of business applications that exist to run under windows does this and does it well we are running 150 pcs loaded with a complete suite of mostly ms windows applications in an administrative business function on a novell network running all software off the server it does the job quite well and if we had it to do over again we would pick windows again again i repeat to ms keep doing what you are doing you are doing a great job flame on thx dave l cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article 1993apr15 155325 6329 jpl devvax jpl nasa gov nancy hayduke nancy feagans writes ashtrays and cigarette lighters these should be an option nancy j feagans 818 306 6423 jet propulsion lab nancy jpl devvax jpl nasa gov not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious you forget that the cigarette lighter plug is essential for plugging in radar detectors and lights the ashtrays are also essential because they are great places to keep change and tokens al h baseball re how to speed up games marginally realistic in article he82p38 zola esd sgi com archer elysium esd sgi com archer bad cop surly writes in m0nll6s 0000ahc udcps3 cps udayton edu mbohler udcps3 cps udayton edu michael bohler writes to really speed up the game umps need to start calling strikes the way they used to im talking about making the strike zone start at the knees and go up to the top of the letters forget this the strike zone is in the general area of the groin a lot less 3 and 2 counts and a quicker game they tried that in the 60s and people stopped coming to the ballparks in droves as offense suffered immensely they lowered the mound first before the 69 season the shrinkage of the strike zone didnt start until the mid 70s scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe lets go mets medicine fever blisters cause and cures for fever blisters respectfully requested thanks d iane origin another permannet kit 1 109 232 windows serial printing in windows i am getting garbled output when serial printing thru windows works etc this has occurred on several systems and goes if a laserjet 4 is used i suspect that there is no need for handshaking in this case due to the capacity memory speed of it there is no problem printing from dos are there any obvious tweaks im missing im sure its not just me with this problem thanks for reading john atherton windows novell and windows 3 1 im working at a workstation which is usually attached to a novell network using shell version 3 22 i think the workstation a 386 was set up to run windows 3 0 with the network about a year ago needless to say id like to upgrade it to windows 3 1 and have it work with the network basically the windows filesd be on the local hard drive but several dos applications like word perfect will be on the network id mainly want windows to access the network drives the network printers and perhaps handle some network functions as well if i could multitask the dos apps whose executables are on the network thatd be great but i could live without it eventually id like to get a few other 486s in the office working with the network and windows 3 1 as well however most of the terminals are 286s which leaves the network pretty much dos bound and i guess that leaves out windows for workgroups and in the future maybe thered be norton desktop but thats gettingahead of myself as you can guess ive never done anything like this before ive read through the networks material that came with windows but still id like to know if anyone out there has any experience in such an area please reply by email i dont scan these newsgroups often thanks for any replies brian rev p k siano revpk cellar org well ill know right away by the look in her eyes shes lost all illusions and shes worldly wise and i know if i give her a listen shes what ive been missing what ive been missing ill be lost in love and havin some fun with my cynical girl whos got no use for the real world im looking for a cynical girl marshall crenshaw cynical girl windows re hercules graphite tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes has anyone used a hercules graphite adapter it looks good on paper and steve gibson gave it a very good review in infoworld id love to get a real world impression though how is the speed drivers support ntaib silver ucs indiana edu iskandar taib writes the pc world reviewers found out that the herc people had hard coded winbench text into the driver clever no in any case the winbench results are pretty much inflated two things that annoyed me about the pc magazine review 1 their benchmarking technique is seriously flawed as was clearly shown by the graphite and 9gxes cheating cant they just admit that their benchmark is to easy to optimize for and or cheat on wintach is much harder to beat 2 the big cheat that hercules iit used was overlappipping bitblit and polyline optimization and hercules sent them a new driver which didnt do this but produced almost identical scores yet the only thing pc magazine says is that scores are not legitimate couldnt they at least make some comment about its real world performance im not so much going by winbench for performance but rather by steve gibsons results which are more real world based like using micrografx draw to benchmark if you believe gibson that is he writes despite these documented cheats i have to say that in real world applications the hercules graphite adapter actually draws faster than any other display adapter in the industry even though its just a modest isa bus card it outperformed every local bus adapter i have including the stealth 24 vlb the fahrenheit 1280va vlb the ati vlb mach32 and even the weitek p9000 based diamond viper vlb this kind of praise is enough for me to be interested in it bogus winbench or not when and if you get one send me mail i might buy that ati gu off you 9 i already returned the ati gu my dealer had sold eight of them and seven were returned to him im now temporarily back to running an original ati gu until i get my graphite and yes the gu is faster in my 16 mb system than the gu especially in bitmap handling thats where you use bitblits hercules has a promotion available for vars and software developers you can buy one graphite or graphite vlb for 50 off list to try it out at just 199 for graphite or 249 for the vlb version i decided it was worth trying im supposed to get the vlb board within two weeks ill post my impressions when i get it tom haapanen tomh metrics com software metrics inc waterloo ont stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth now pull up thats how the corrado makes you feel car january 93 religion lds gordons question on the nicene creed gordon banks quoted and added gb in article c50m5p eoz acsu buffalo edu gb psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu robert weiss writes gb gb gb christians have professed for more than 1660 years the nicene gb creed a statement of beliefs drawn from the truths of scripture gb that was officially accepted by a council of church bishops gb and leaders at nicea in 325 a d christians still recite gb this creed regularly in public worship gb gb gb so prior to 325 ad there were no christians or all of them really gb believed the nicean creed even before it was formulated do you gb really believe such an absurdity im afraid you do no i really dont honest the nicene creed as i mentioned above is a brief statement of beliefs that are derived from scripture that this certain list did not exist earlier does not indicate that the beliefs summarized in in did not exist before the formula was derived robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu baseball re young catchers in article mssc52qmx 768 netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes now keith mitchell as i recall no stat books handy surprise he jumped from aa to atlanta in 1991 he did so well that he was returned to the minors where he didnt do very well at all now his career is in jeopardy so how does he fit in with your point good mles in aa moved him right to the big club now hes one step away from being traded or moved out of baseball duh methinks you recall wrong mitchell hit close to 300 in atlanta and continued to walk alot after his promotion he was then i think left off the playoff roster and started the next year in the minors where even the braves will tell you he underperformed because he was so mad at going back down he struggled last year no doubt but even the braves blamed part of it on the demotion id much rather have mitchell than say mark whiten on the cards russ smith i dont know anything about xs but i know about some o george gervin on being an assistant coach medicine re inner ear problems from too much flying on 5 apr 93 23 27 26 gmt vida mdavcr mda ca vida morkunas said vida can one develop inner ear problems from too much flying i hear vida that pilots and steward esses have a limit as to the maximum vida number of flying hours what are these limits what are the vida main problems associated with too many long haul over 4 hours vida trips the crew rest requirements are to prevent undue fatigue the cockpit crew pilot limits are somewhat more stringent than the cabin crew limits for this reason crew rest requirements address amount of time on duty plus rest time a tired crew is an accident prone crew the only limits i know of for inner ear problems are in military aircraft which are frequently unpressurized or less reliably pressurized not being able to clear the ears renders aircrew members dnif duties not involving flying or grounded until the ears clear flying can accentuate problems if ears dont clear if you dont have big pressure changes you may not know that youve got a problem but if you zip up to 5 000 or 6 000 ft the usual cabin altitude in an airliner and then back down to sea level you may discover a problem ears dont clear readily because of allergies colds infections and anatomical problems the last wont change the first three can medication decongestants or antihistimines usually can help chewing gum sucking hard candy or a bottle for babies yawning these will help all four causes mary shafer dod 0362 kotfr nasa dryden flight research facility edwards ca shafer rigel dfrf nasa gov of course i dont speak for nasa a mig at your six is better than no mig at all unknown us fighter pilot baseball re ray lankford question does anybody know what is going on with lankford i know he was out for a few games with a slight injury but since he has beenback and before the injury for that matter he has been really struggling at the plate and on the basepaths whereis the ray lankford we saw last year i beg to differ he had a couple 3 hit games after he came back he did get caught stealing though he also missed sundays game did he play tonight if not im worried hes on my team too patrick cars re saturns pricing policy cs012055 cs brown edu hok chung tsang writes in article c4vir5 l3r shuksan ds boeing com fredd shuksan fred dickey writes carolinafan uiuc cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu wrote the biggest problem some people seem to be having is that saturn dealers make 2k on a car i think most will agree with me that the car is comparably priced with its competitors that is they arent overpriced compared to most cars in their class i dont understand the point of arguing over whether the dealer makes the 2k or not i have never understood what the big deal over dealer profits is either the only thing that i can figure out is that people believe that if they minimize the dealer profit they will minimize their total out of pocket expenses for the car while this may be true in some cases i do not believe that it is generally true i bought a saturn sl in january of 92 at that time based on studying car prices i decided that there was no comparable car that was priced as cheaply as the saturn sure maybe i could have talked the price for some other car to the saturn price but my out of pocket expenses wouldnt have been any different whats important to me is how much money i have left after i buy the car reducing dealer profit is not the same thing as saving money show me how reducing dealer profit saves me money and ill believe that its important my experience has been that reducing dealer profit does not necessarily save me money fred say you bought your saturn at 13k with a dealer profit of 2k if the dealer profit is 1000 then you would only be paying 12k for the same car so isnt that saving money yes but the point is that prices are competetive saturn may well be selling a car intended on giving the dealer a 2000 profit but since a comperable honda with 500 profit is more expensive it may be well worth it to buy the saturn moreover if saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by 1000 then their cars will be even better deals say if the price of a saturn was already 1000 below market average for the class of cars then after they reduce the dealer profit it would be 2000 below market average it will 1 attract even more people to buy saturns because it would save them money 2 force the competitors to lower their prices to survive now not only will saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit even the buyers for other cars will pay less not necessarily it seems to me that saturn salesdroids who dont make a commision whereas their counterparts at other dealerships generally do make more per hour or whatever this means that saturn doesnt give up the profit to their employees through commision which is taken out of per car profits they just pass it along to less pressureing salesmen women isnt that saving money maybe maybe not depends on accounting practices id rather pay more for dealer service that doesnt cut corners to contain costs 0 02 doug 2 100 cka 87 carolina blue honda civic dx chintan amin the university of illinois urbana champaign mail llama uiuc edu because he was human because he had goodness because he was moral they called him insane peart cinderella man medicine bouncing lymenet newsletters the following 4 addresses are on the lymenet mailing list but are rejecting mail since the list server originally accepted these addresses successfully i assume these addresses have since been eliminated improperly functioning mail gateways might also be responsible if you are listed here and would still like to remain on the list please write to me otherwise i will remove these addresses from the list before the next newsletter goes out as a general rule please remember to unsubscribe from all your mailing lists before your account is closed this will save the listserv maintainer from many headaches lezliel sitka sun com kenneth r hall roch817 xerox com westmx ayoub uunet uu net absol absol com rsb panix com marc c gabriel u c box 545 215 882 0138 lehigh university windows w4w printing envelops on dj550c not 500c ive got a probelm with printing envelops on my deskjet 550c from word for windows history when i had a deskjet 500 i had to modify the macro so that it would disable reverse printing since there seemed to be a bug that interferred with printing envelops that bug is still present however now the problem i have is that my deskjet 550 print driver came with the printer i bought in december still wants to print the envelops in portrait mode however the deskjet 550 feeds envelops the from the narrow end i e landscape mode how do i get the printer to print the envelops in the correct orientation please please please do not post this to the net since a due to end of the semester cruch i cant keep up on these groups and b i will summarize the best answer s to the net anyhow thanks in advance craig stevenson cars mg t series for sale 1954 mg tf with frame up restoration in early 70s a local show winner driven very little and stored inside since then mostly collected dirt dust needs attention to brake cylinders like all mg ts but otherwise ready to run chrome paint not fancy but it is mechanically excellent the engine a 1250cc was completely overhauled by a machine shop it is priced at 12 000 1953 mg td good shape but hasnt been run since 70s needs engine work but no rust and everything is with it including a top side curtains and carpet that were new and havent seen the outdoors since the 70s 9 500 1952 mg td basket case id call it a parts car but its too good for that everything seems to be there except the tach would make a good project car or parts car if you insist no apparent rust but the upholstery is a disaster stored inside since the 70s the top was new but now soso this one has wire wheels looking for 4 500 all three cars will be sold as they stand with no hassles or haggles time has passed by and it is time to part company prices are negotiable reply via matthews oswego oswego edu or u s mail to p o box 1015 315 341 3501 oswego ny 13126 harry matthews k2aou wrvo wrvn wrvj internet matthews oswego oswego edu learning resources satellite tv bitnet matthews snyoswva s u n y college cable tv voice mail 315 341 3501 oswego ny 13126 alloy ntnx pc mhos are mine not s u n y oswegos windows re head to head win and os 2 forgive me if this is stupid but didnt i see a rumor somewhere that apple was working on an intel platform os say like system 7 for 80x86s chris religion re rosicrucian order s alamut netcom com max delysid y writes in article 1qppef i5b usenet ins cwru edu ch981 cleveland freenet edu tony name just three really competing rosicrucian orders i have probably spent more time than you doing the same none of them are spin offs from o t o the opposite may be the case can we assume from this statement that you are unequivocally saying that amorc is not a spin off of oto and that in fact oto may well be a spin off of amorc i would be quite interested in hearing what evidence you have to support this claim well there is a fair amount of evidence floating around that indicates that oto has been around since at least the late 1800s long before crowley ever heard of it how long has amorc been around yes i know that they claim to have existed as an organization clear into prehistory but i doubt that they have any organizational paperwork as a non profit that can be carbon dated to 20 000 bc a lizard a lizard internet addresses alizard tweekco boo pacbell com preferred pacbell com boo tweekco alizard bang path for above alizard gentoo com backup pgp2 2 public key available on request medicine re opinions on allergy hay fever shots i have just started taking allergy shots a month ago and is still wondering what i am getting into a friend of mine told me that the body change every 7 years whatever that means and i dont need those antibody building allergy shots at all does that make sense to anyone btw can someone summarize what is in the consumer report february 1988 article guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1993apr20 142131 27347 rti rti org jbs rti rti org writes in article c5rpoj ijv news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv to get the trial they deserved instead they chose to set fire to their compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas this is about the third person whos parroted the fbis line about the fires being set six hours after the tear gas was injected suppose you want to explain to us the videotape footage shown on national tv last night in which a tank with the gas injecting tubes is pulling its injection tubes out of the second story of a building as the building begins to belch smoke and then fire do tell joe not to mention that the story was rewritten today those two bds who admitted to starting the fire forget em they dont exist anyone today a few saw someone starting a fire and our aerial surveillance showed them starting fires at this mornings press conference tomorrow even this excuse may evaporate a reporter pointed out that a bd being brought to arraingement shouted that tanks knocking over lanterns started the fire curiouser and curiouser wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu i speak for myself only clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema medicine hypoglycemia anello adcs00 fnal gov anthony anello writes a can anyone tell me if a bloodcount of 40 when diagnosed as hypoglycemic is a dangerous i e indicates a possible pancreatic problem one dr says no the a other not his specialty says the first is negligent and that another blood a test should be done also what is a good diet what has worked for a hypo a glycemic tia a a a anthony anello a fermilab a batavia illinois once you have your hypoglycemia confirmed through the proper channels you might consider ther following 1 chelated manganese 25 50mg day 2 chelated chromium 400 600mcg day 3 increase protein through foods or supplements 4 avoid supplements foods high in potassium calcium zinc 5 avoid vit c supplements in excess of 100mg 6 avoid honey and foods high in simple sugars 7 enjoy breads cereals grains discuss the above with your health practitioner for compatibility with your body chemistry and safety ron rosereader 2 00 p003228 beer its not just for breakfast anymore rosemail 2 10 usenet rose media hamilton 416 575 5363 medicine re use of haldol in elderly in article yfqmlek00iv185co5l andrew cmu edu lawrence curcio lc2b andrew cmu edu writes ive seen people in their forties and fifties become disoriented and demented during hospital stays in the examples ive seen drugs were definitely involved my own father turned into a vegetable for a short time while in the hospital he was fifty three at the time and he was on 21 separate drugs no wonder he became confused with so many drugs it is almost impossible to know which one is causing the problem and because some drugs potentiate the effect of each other they can make the side effects all the worse and even dangerous kinda like mixing alcohol and antihistamines he was disoriened the doctors thougt they should put him on something else as well unfortunately doctors prescribe drugs to treat the side effects of the drugs a patient is receiving if one drug they are taking causes the patients blood pressure to go up many times an antihypertensive is prescribed instead of re evaluating the need for the original drug this is why many older adults are trying to take a dozen or so drugs at home procure a list of the drugs your grandmother is getting and discuss it with an independent doc her problems may not be the effect of haldol at all haldol may have been used validly or it may have been prescribed because other medication confused her and because the hospital normally prescribes haldol for the confused elderly i fully agree in addition she proably should be examined by another doctor who can re evaluate the need for the medications she is taking i cant remember the guidelines i either saw in a text or heard during a lecture but any elderly adult who is receiving medications should have the need for the drug re evaluated regularly if her current physician is unwilling to do this find one who will either check the phone book for a physician who specializes in geriatric medicine or gerontology or contact a physician referral line or the american medical society by finding a geriatric specialist he she will more likely be in tune with the special needs of elderly adults and maybe can help guns re will cs burn or explode rcanders nyx cs du edu mr nice guy writes the fbi released large amounts of cs tear gas into the compound in waco cs tear gas is a fine power is cs inflammable grain dust suspended in air can form an explosive mixture will cs suspended in air form an explosive mix could large quantities of cs have fueled the rapid spread of fire in the compound no chance if that cs ignited at all it would have been quite similar to a grain bin explosion explosion i note the entire compound would have been leveled not merely burned as there was no explosion there was no cs ignition causing the fire note at five miles a decent grain elevator explosion will knock you on your butt and your ears will ring for days i speak from experience here dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them guns re clinton wants national id card aka ussr style internal passport in article c5jif8 i4n boi hp com slack boi hp com david slack writes the idea of the card is bull in and of its self but im curious to know do they plan on making it a requirement to always have it on you or is it only going to be required to be presented when trying to ge medical aid this at least has already been determined the blue cross medical coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future national system to get emergency medical care anyone so insured must always carry their blue cross card before entering a hospital you must notify blue cross or they will refuse to pay your bills in an emergency where you must be treated before notifying them you must inform them within 24 hours or if you are unable to do so for medical reasons the hospital must failing to do so within 24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization in you need your card to notify them and without the card the hospital certainly wouldnt know they had to therefore you are required to carry the card at all times or do without emergency medical coverage frank crary cu boulder baseball re the all time greats team in article 1993apr21 211230 12598 iscsvax uni edu reed5575 iscsvax uni edu writes in article 1993apr19 143211 28086 alleg edu luriem alleg edu michael lurie the liberalizer writes in article 1993apr14 203122 12367 iscsvax uni edu reed5575 iscsvax uni edu writes uhhhhh winfield has a carrer slugging average of 480 career peak no during winfields peak his slugging average was an average of 129 points above the league average mel otts is 278 hank aarons is 266 and frank robinsons is 304 in their worst years of their peak they are still better than winfield in his best peak year winfields best is 158 above the average otts worst is 164 above the average and robinsons worst is 206 above the league average career no 480 slugging big deal many right fielders including darryl strawberry and andre dawson can easliy surpass this for a career slugging average so unless there are some real stats that make winfield worthy of the team he wont even be allowed to be water boy p s eddie gaedel is the water boy and his career on base percentage is tons better than winfields check your facts andre dawsons career slugging pct is in the 480s so is winnys i would like to see your facts winny has probably done better than 129 points above with a carrer slg of 480 check on more important stats defense and heart batting average rbis peak and career especially career winny ranks in the top 15 outfielders of all time you are using bs to make your standings and i would like to know where you are getting your numbers from windows 386 enchaced mode with scsi disk i just removed an ide drive and reformated two scsi disk to use as boot disk in a system that did run windows fine in 386 enhanced mode its a dx50 with 8 meg ram and an adaptec 1542b with bios enabled system runs fine and runs windows in standard mode fine but it returns to the dos prompt when trying to run 386 mode ive tried emmexclude and sysrombreakpoint what gives thanks in advance hal my views are my own cars re viper car alarms in article c605fr cdo cs uiuc edu u1815 cs uiuc edu ronald e garnett writes hello auto enthusiasts i recently had more car mangled broken into and decided to get an alarm installed its a viper 400 and has a shock sensor sensors for each door ignition cutoff and automatic door locks i have this same alarm installed in my syclone it works great the shock sensor is very sensitive but much more practical than the motion sensor i have on my other car it doesnt trigger if the car is rocked gently by the wind but any kind of shock sets it off even kicking the tire sets it off it works great what worries me is the hood and hatch if someone could pry them up gently enough then they could bypass the alarm the shock sensor is adjustable and there are two cycles on it you can adjust it to be sensitive enough that there is no way you could open the hood without setting off the alarm although i know that you cannot pop the hood on the syclone without setting off my alarm now and yet i have had zero none false alarms with this system the alarm tells you when you disarm it whether it has been activated in your absence i have been able to trace every alarm to its cause and it was not a false alarm im also wondering how easy it would be for a thief to crawl underneath the car and cut the battery cable to disable the alarm i guess it would be possible depending on the vehicle my syclone is so tight in the engine compartment that it would be tough to do this there are supplemental power supplies you can put on with this viper alarm but i dont have one i really think that if someone wants my car that bad the alarm wont keep them from it even with a supplemental power supply viper also sells some fancy field disturbance sensor that supposedly detects people approcahing the car this is primarily for convertibles i have a convertible and have looked at this feature in detail alpine actually makes a better radar unit if you want to get one of these it has zones in it that can be shut down independently so that if one side of your car has pedestrian traffic or something else that would trigger an alarm it shuts down the zone or rather pulls it in tighter i dont see the real benefit to these unless you have a convertible that you leave the top down on avoid the voice alarm that can be added to the radar package it talks to people as they walk by i saw one installed on a lotus esprit the kids would taunt it seeing how close they could get before it warned them to get back the owner finally disabled it which defeats the purpose in my mind im interested in the opinions of you netters about these problems and about the viper in general i am real happy with my viper one other feature i really like is you can tune it to your preferences you can have it arm passively or not you can disable the chirp for arming disarming you can have it lock unlock the doors when the alarm is armed disarmed i like these features i hate the chirp when the alarm arms disarms so mine flashes the lights only i like the door lock feature although i have to be careful to take my keys with me because it doesnt know if you have left your keys in the car when it passively arms and locks the doors but if you are meticulous about taking your keys with you it takes care of the rest the car is an 89 ford probe gt that used to be in great shape ron garnett i looked seriously at the alpine system too it is a real nice system but more money and it has a motion sensor standard instead of the shock sensor the shock sensor is better and the viper shock sensor is better 2 cycle than the optional alpine one imho i think the viper gives you a lot of good value for the money but it isnt absolutely tamperproof no system is except maybe the one that james bond had on his lotus in for your eyes only anyone know where we can get one of those installed maybe that was what they had in the van in the world trade center huh merrill guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in a previous article rats cbnewsc cb att com morris the cat says this is about the third person whos parroted the fbis line about the fires being set six hours after the tear gas was injected suppose you how would the fed snipers have been able to witness the bds setting the fire as is claimed through all that tear gas i actually heard one report which claimed that infrared cameras saw the branch dividians setting the fires now youll have to excuse yeah sure maybe thermal gunsights on the armored vehicles when discussing military hardware and weapons the media generally looks like a ufology convention my scepticism but i find it quite strange that anyone would be operating a thermal viewer during a daytime battle it would be unusual in the sense that the federales combat operation gassing the bd with cs2 whatever that is is this the infamous bz hallucination gas from cs is merely the garden variety military teargas as far as it being humane and harmless ive seen teenage boys knock 200lb drill sergeants flat getting away from it i am pretty sure that newly born religious groups will study these fbi tactics and build anti armor barricades and tank traps to make next time a lot bloodier for the federales what do you expect when idiots and criminals confirm paranoids in their paranoia if you were smarter youd have these opinions guns re a universal right to bear arms not rats cbnewsc cb att com morris the cat writes wrong again but if you want proof turn on your tv and look for a show starring chuck connors it was called the rifleman time how fast he can fire that old lever action rifle believe it or not i remember seeing an advertisement for someone selling one of these apparently winchester produced a bunch of these commercially to commemorate the television show i believe it was being sold as a handgun because of the barrel length and lack of a stock i might be mistaking the above weapon for the gun used by steve mcqueen in wanted dead or alive if so sorry did winchester make any commemorative models of the rifle used by chuck connors in the movie chuck connors was an nra member before he died recently i dont know for sure if winchester made any commemeratives if i recall correctly the rifle itself was a 44 40 model 92 with an oversized loop lever i dont think winchester makes this rifle any more rossi make a model 92 look alike in 38 special and 357 magnum aaron arc cco caltech edu baseball re how to speed up games marginally realistic pablo a iglesias pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu wrote i have wondered why a pitcher is given 8 pitches when he enters the game lets be serious the relief pitcher has normally been throwing out in the bullpen for a few minutes does he really need 8 more pitches if the relief pitcher didnt get 8 pitches there wouldnt be enough time to 1 play hit the road jack 2 the iron city relief pitcher commercial 3 the announcers to detail to us exactly what drove the previous one from the game 4 a detailed biography both personal and statistical of the new guy throwing his 8 pitches 5 get really cool super slo mo pictures for diamond vision to put up by said pitchers name and stats caleb baseball re jewish baseball players in article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish maybe john lowenstein lowenstein is not jewish however there is a long list including hank greenberg moe berg rod carew a convert the sherry brothers art shamsky and ron blomberg barry medicine re krillean photography vinci filipe vxcrna cern ch wrote how about kirlian imaging i believe the faq for sci skeptics sp has a nice write up on this they would certainly be most supportive on helping you to build such a device and connect to a 120kvolt supply so that you can take a serious look at your aura filipe santos cern european laboratory for particle physics switzerland this has to be the only generally accepted method of using common physics lab equipment to find certain answers to all the questions about afterlifes heavens hells purgatory gods etc krillean photography will probably be ignored as insignificant compared to these larger eternal verities publishing your results could be a bit of a problem though cheers david medicine re travel outside us bangladesh in article 1p7ciqinn3th tamsun tamu edu covingc ee tamu edu just george writes i will be traveling to bangaldesh this summer and am wondering if there are any immunizations i should get before going you can probably get this information by calling your public health department in your county in pittsburgh they give the shots free as well there are bulletins in medical libraries that give recommendations or you could call the infectious diseases section of the medicine department of your local medical school you also will probably want to talk about malaria prophylaxis you will need your doctor to get the prescription gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows gif to bmp does anybody have any idea where i could find a program that can convert a gif image into a bmp image suitable for a windows wallpaper i e 256 colors hopefully theres something out there i can get from an ftp site somewhere thanks in advance scott guns re cost benefit analysis was fbi directors statement in article 93111 094609mgb slacvm slac stanford edu mgb slacvm slac stanford edu writes has anyone noticed or commented on the fact that so many of those who were willing nay demanding that we wait forever for mr hussein and iraq that we use tremendously costly sanctions to avoid a loss of life are now at the fore front of those clammoring that we should have smashed those religious radicals and we were wasting money allowing this stand off to go on no i see many of the same groups protesting both i also know people who feel exactly the opposite i e treat citizens better than saddam how the worm turns when the sect changes hey sect changes are still illegal in texas cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet medicine sleep the pulse of relaxation roaming while sleeping i posted about a pulse of relaxation electricity i now think it more like a pulse of relaxation or comfort than a pulse of electricity it is what you feel if you are overwhelmed by a feeling of comfort such as seeing or thinking about something beautiful another thing when you sleep you lie down facing up with your palms aside of you and facing down on the surface of the bed then you relax and there start involuntary nerve firings inside your flesh so you feel a shiver below the surface of the skin not heart beat then this shiver increases and comes up to your head and the roam you hear loudens note that you always hear a high pitch when you lie down in bed this is just the noise of your blood running in your ear this roam is different from the high pitch but follows the shiver of your body shiver is not the word it may be called a mild vibration or quake what is this shiver and roam can i use this to induce out of body experience daniel chung mr u s a religion re catholic lit crit of a s s in dlphknob 734986640 camelot dlphknob camelot bradley edu writes in 1993apr14 101241 476 mtechca maintech com foster mtechca maintech com writes i am surprised and saddened i would expect this kind of behavior from the evangelical born again gospel thumping in your face were the only true christian protestants but i have always thought that catholics behaved better than this please do not stoop to the level of the e b a g t i y f w t o t c protestants who think that the best way to witness is to be strident intrusive loud insulting and overbearingly self righteous pleading mode on please im begging you quit confusing religious groups and stop making generalizations im a protestant im an evangelical i dont believe that my way is the only way im not a creation scientist i dont think that homosexuals should be hung by their toenails if you want to discuss bible thumpers you would be better off singling out and making obtuse generalizations about fundamentalists if you compared the actions of presbyterians or methodists with those of southern baptists you would think that they were different religions sarcasm on be sure we pick on the correct groups here bible thumpers fundamentalists and southern baptists deserve our hasty generalizations and prejudicial statements just dont pick on the presbyterians and the methodists sarcasm off please prejudice is about thinking that all people of a group are the same so please dont write off all protestants or all evangelicals pleading mode off god i wish i could get ahold of all the thomas stories fbzr enval jvagre fhaqnlf jura gurerf n yvggyr oberqbz lbh fubhyq nyjnlf pneel n tha abg gb fubbg lbhefrys ohg gb xabj rknpgyl gung lbher nyjnlf znxvat n pubvpr yvan jregzhyyre jemaleddin sasha david cole iv chief of knobbery research dlphknob camelot bradley edu cars re mr2 noisy engine just a quick note on the nwe shape mr2s in the uk when they first came out here there were 3 models the base model had an auto box and engine from the camry 2 0 well i recentyl found out that this model is no longer profitable for toyota and have since scraped it ive also noticed that auto mr2s have depreciated a lot more than the next model up surprise surprise huh oh you lucky americans have the turbo mr2 no such luck over here shaz guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu nathan engle writes 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes ah yes i see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork to defend the burning of the children actually all the liberals ive seen have deplored the burning of children i would far preferred that the davidians had not set the fire that burned themselves and their children to death but i dont believe that the responsibility for the fire or the almost complete absense of attempts to escape the blaze can be placed at the door of the federal authorities so far there is no credible evidence that the bds set the fires themselves we only have the atf fbis sayso law enforcements type would never lie to cover their ass right probably drooled all over themselves while watching the tv coverage not so my wife got me a convenient plastic drip pan for christmas probably had a few like that in nazi germany as well yeah those nazis you know how we liberals just love those nazis no not love just share a surprising similarity of beliefs and method oh yeah atf fbi now claims according the the media that there are a few survivors the number seems to vary minute by minute yeah as information trickles in funny how that works funny yeah funny how you didnt wait for the fbi spokesdroid latest reversal of facts before proclaiming the bds burned themselves to death nathan engle software juggler psychology department indiana university nate psygate psych indiana edu nengle silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu i speak for myself only clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema baseball reds snap 5 game losing streak redreport 4 18 kevin mitchells sacrifice fly in the eighth off brett saberhagen plated pitch runner cesar hernandez to give the reds a 2 3 come from behind victory over new york hernandez ran for pinch hitter cecil espy who got the inning started with a solid single to right moved to second on bob kellys infield sneaker down the third base line and to third on jeff bransons well placed bunt a rare show of excellent execution by the recently hapless reds offense cincinnati trailed 2 0 after starter tim pugh blinked in the fifth he had only given up one hit in the first four innings a fourth inning lead off double by vince coleman coleman was left stranded at third by bobby bonilla after joe orselak popped to short orselak was pinch hitting for eddie murray who argued plate umpire kelloggs inside strike by drawing the line really he should know better than that murray and later manager jeff torborg ended up getting tossed the mets fifth started with a howard johnsons first pitch homer pugh must have been slightly shaken as he was popped on the next pitch by jeff kents single then a ryan thompson liner to left was surprise misplayed by mitchell and turned into a rbi triple catcher hundleys grounder to the drawn in branson failed to bring thompson in then the play of the game occured saberhagen was due up so reds pitching coach larry rothschild met with the infield to discuss the possibility of a suicide squeeze they called it perfectly thompson was hung out to dry after pughs first pitch pitch out and the threat ended isnt the national league great the reds picked up 2 runs in the seventh to knot up the game after barry larkins ground out mitchell chris sabo and randy milligan got back to back to back singles the third scoring mitchell reggie sanders then plated sabo with a long fly to center a double by oliver might have scored runner dan wilson but third base coach dave bristol threw up the stop sign too late wilson himself was hung out to dry killing the reds rally rob dibble came on in the ninth and pitched shakily with two outs and a runner on second bonilla came to the plate and all i could think of was the sunday game in late august last year when bonillas three run dinger slapped a loss on dibble and spelled the beginning of the end for cincis season bonilla ended up walking and hojo flied out to left to give the reds their first win in a week and earned dibble his third save in as many opportunities the win went to steve foster 1 2 who got in what must be an ego boosting two perfect innings work striking out three saberhagen 2 1 got the loss though im a bit surprised he even pitched in the eighth ill take it though the reds are now 3 9 still the worst team in baseball with the royals victory today the mets are 6 5 the line new york mets ab r h k bb lo coleman lf 4 0 1 0 0 0 fernandez ss 4 0 0 1 0 0 murray 1b 1 0 0 0 0 0 orselak ph rf 3 0 1 0 0 0 bonilla rf 1b 3 0 0 2 1 1 johnson 3b 3 1 1 1 0 2 kent 2b 3 1 1 1 0 0 thompson cf 3 0 1 1 0 0 hundley c 3 0 0 2 0 0 saberhagen p 3 0 0 0 0 0 totals 30 2 5 8 1 3 hr johnson off pugh leading off fifth 0 0 pitch 3b thompson off pugh in fifth 0 out 1 rbi picked off 2b coleman off pugh in fourth 0 out 0 on stranded at third rbi johnson thompson cincinnati reds ab r h k bb lo kelly cf 4 0 1 0 0 0 branson 2b 3 0 1 0 0 0 larkin ss 3 0 0 0 1 0 mitchell lf 3 1 1 0 0 0 dibble p 0 0 0 0 0 0 sabo 3b 4 1 1 1 0 2 milligan 1b 3 0 3 0 0 0 wilson pr c 0 0 0 0 0 0 sanders rf 2 0 0 0 0 1 oliver c 1b 3 0 1 1 0 1 pugh p 1 0 0 1 0 0 roberts ph 1 0 0 1 0 0 foster p 0 0 0 0 0 0 espy ph 1 0 1 0 0 0 hernandez pr lf 0 1 0 0 0 0 totals 28 3 9 4 1 5 oliver was stranded in the seventh after his double when wilson was run down 2b oliver off saberhagen 2 out runner on first stranded rbi milligan sanders and mitchell sac branson sf sanders and mitchell ibb larkin gdp larkin new york 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 2 5 0 cincinnati 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 x 3 9 0 pitching ip r er h k bb new york saberhagen l 2 1 8 3 3 9 4 1 cincinnati pugh 6 2 2 4 4 0 foster w 1 2 2 0 0 0 3 0 dibble s 3 1 0 0 1 1 1 pb wilson ejected murray torborg umps kellogg relliford runge demuth attendance 32 435 t 2 23 coming up the reds travel to pittsburgh for three then continue on into chicago for three next game is tuesday at 7 35 expected to pitch are belcher 0 1 vs tomlin 0 0 rstimets windows re winbench ok so if everyone is cheating is there any tests that run some macro to load a huge drawing etc on the same machine that might then tell us what the real world results are i mean run the tests on the same machine with different video cards running word excel or something like that to see how fast the cards are swyatt brahms udel edu no disclaimer i blame everything on someone else windows winlogo hi id like to substitute the exciting win3 1 opening logo for our own company logo at boot up time is this a matter of replacing the logo file with our own logo and what format should the company logo be in thanks avdean baseball detroit tigers the roar at michigan and trumbull should be loader than ever this year with mike illitch at the head and ernie harwell back at the booth the tiger bats will bang this summer already they have scored 20 runs in two games and with fielder tettleton and deer i think they can win the division no pitching bull gully moore wells and krueger make up a decent staff that will keep the team into many games then there is henneman to close it out watch out boston toronto and baltimore the motor city kittys are back guns re some more about gun control in article 2071 rwing uucp pat rwing uucp pat myrto writes what i find so hard to understand is how come some people apparantly not connected with government or otherwise privileged will go to great lengths redefinitions re interpretations in a full bore attempt to throw away the protection of their own rights under the constitution almost makes me think of lemmings running into the sea during a lemming year i really wonder that jefferson and madison would say to these folks theyd probably quote montesque sp who was once asked if russia was likely to become a democracy any time soon no because russia is a nation of slaves and the people get what they deserve since he said that russia has changed a great deal but so unfortunately have other nations frank crary cu boulder medicine re ringing ears in article 10893 ncrwat waterloo ncr com jfare 53iss6 waterloo ncr com jim fare writes a friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing the ringing is so loud that she has great difficulty sleeping at night she says that she hasnt had a normal nights sleep in about 6 months she looks like it too this is making her depressed so her doctor has put her on anti depressants sometimes i have a problem with doctors prescribing medicine like this i of course dont know the exact situation and anti depressants may work but it isnt helping the ringing at all is it the ringing started rather suddenly about 6 months ago she is quickly losing sleep social life and sanity over this mine started about three years back turns out i have tinnitus bilateral translation ringing in both ears basically if this is what it is shell probably get used to it it would keep me up and drive me nuts too but nowadays i have to plug both my ears with my fingers to check to see if they are ringing usually they are but you get so used to it it just gets tuned out yes this is what ive read about it not just from my own personal experience does anyone know of any treatments for this any experience coping mechanisms any opinions on the anti depressant drugs millions have it according to my physician you just learn to cope with it like i mentioned earlier by ignoring it it eventually becomes unconscious the doc also said it could be caused by diet ie too much caffeine and stress but i havent changed my lifestyle much and it just comes and goes it is always there somewhat but now i rarely notice it when it really kicks in also it doesnt necessarily mean there is any hearing loss either caused by it or causing it i had an ent ear nose throat exam and passed in fact my hearing is quite good considering i dont take as good of care of my hearing as i should her reaction is normal if it is tinnitus chances are good shell begin to not even notice it this info is taken mostly from a few experts my own experience and some readings sorry it was a few years back and dont have any specifics handy jt windows sound blaster ver 1 5 under windows 3 1 article crossposted from comp speech comp sys ibm pc soundcard comp os linux author was mario lauretti posted on mon 5 apr 1993 21 44 24 gmt i have a sound blaster ver 1 5 when i try to install driver ver 1 5 driver that comes with window 3 1 it tell me to upgrade my card first now i have found new drivers from creative labs but i have problems installing it after removing the vsbd 386 old version that come in windows after installing creative sound blaster midi synthesizer i try to install creative sound blaster 1 5 wave but when i am in the menu add unlisted or updated driver and double click on this driver i have this error driver error cannot load creative sound blaster 1 5 wave and midi driver the driver file may be missing try installing the driver again or contact your system administrator yes yes yes i have read the readme 1st and try every thing can somebody help me mario laureti internet laurm00 tohi dmi usherb ca windows need help with wordperfect for windows i have two questions 1 i have been having troubles with my wordperfect for windows when i try to select and change fonts etc some of the text disappears i tried to center two lines once and the second line disappeared i can not find the error and i do not know how to correct it 2 is this the right newsgroup where should i go e mail prefered who else is still waiting for naked gun part pi nathannarloch alumn122 whscdp whs edu enforcerburp or narlochn kirk msoe edu milw wi 53207 jointheofficialpsycho team baseball the babe v the pride of the yankees the babe and the pride of the yankees offer very different renditions of the sotry about ruth and gherig hitting home runs for the boy in the hospital can some historian out there explain historys version of the story i wouldnt put is past either or both of the movies to season the truth with a little extra spice any other comments as to inaccuracies in these two movies eric a w behrens behrens cc swarthmore edu id walk through hell in a gasoline suit to keep playing baseball pete rose cars re 5w30 10w40 or 20w50 zowie daedalus stanford edu craig powderkeg deforest writes if youre planning on making long drives the 20w50 is probably fine esp in the summer in your 10w40 car but if youre making short drives stick to the 10w40 several years ago gm was having trouble with the rings sticking on the 5 7 diesel they traced a cause to the use of 10w 40 oil they would not honor warranty work if 10w 40 was used if my memory serves me 5 30 10 30 or 20 50 was okd though mark b windows video cards with bnc connectors hello i just recently bought a nec 6fg in order to get the highest possible quality and refresh rates id like to know if there are any accelerator cards with bnc connectors as opposed to the usual d sub connector thanks for any information mike mills e mail sam ms uky edu rutgers uunet ukma sam uk math sciences dept mike ukpr uky edu 606 257 1429 work 263 0721 home windows re equation editor in article 1993may11 141706 5878 iitmax iit edu vaxtools chico acc iit edu falke bruinsma wildthing writes hiya im using word for windows and i am quite satisfied with it except the equation editor screws up all the time when i try to insert an equation it will give me two errors fence font not found and meta font not found the real problem is that it will not display or print out the integral sign does anyone else have this problem and how do i solve it im using a z sport 486 laptop with a panasonic 1124p printer running msdos 5 0 and windows 3 1 thanks falke we all had that problem you need to expand the fonts manually the program decomp is on disk 1 the equations fonts are on disk 3 have fun gel baseball cards sweep la mets lose life is good just a few lines about my favorite team sweeping the dodgers one of my least favorite in la sweet also the mets my other least favorite team loss to the rockies made this this a great day and a great start to the weekend as the cardinals are on the espn tonight big lee smith is having a great start and the cardinals seem to be hitting in the clutch even though they have had a few games with lots of hits and not many runs hopefully with the coaches stress on situational hitting in spring training the runners lob will be lower this year probably due to the high strikeout numbers by jose and lankford and zeiles off year i dont know why all the fuss about the fillies the media and all the filly fans on r s b forget who is right behind them in the standings give the wild thing a week or two before he starts blowing some games and well see who is in first then i believe the cardinal pitching staff is more complete than the filly staff and that will make the difference on a side note a few years ago 5 6 a comment was made by some baseball player or manager about the dodger defense he was asked where to hit the ball against the dodgers and he replied fair i remember it being in the they said it section of sports illustrated i would like to know who said it and what issue it was in go redbirds gary wieman medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes to candida blooms following the use of broad spectrum antibiotics gorden rubenfeld through e mail has assured me that most physicians recognize the chance of candida blooms occuring after broad spectrum antibiotic use and they therefore reinnoculate their patients with good bacteria to restore competetion for candida in the body i do not believe that this is yet a standard part of medical practice nor is it mine what i tried to explain to marty was that it is clearly understood that antibiotic exposure is a risk factor for fungal infections which is not the same as saying bacteria prevent fungal infections marty made this sound like a secret known only to veternarians and biochemists anyone who has treated a urinary tract infection knowns this at some centers pre op liver transplant patients receive bowel decontamination directed at retaining good anaerobic flora in an attempt to prevent fungal colonization in this soon to be high risk group i also use lactobacillus to treat enteral nutrition associated diarrhea that may be in part due to alterations in gut flora however it is not part of my routine practice to reinnoculate patients with good bacteria after antibiotics i have seen no data on this practice preventing or treating fungal infections in at risk patients whether or not it is a logical extension from the available observations ill leave to those of you who base strong opinions and argue over such speculations in the absence of clinical trials one place such therapy has been described is in treating particularly recalcitrant cases of c difficile colitis not a fungal infection there are case reports of using stool ie someone elses enemas to repopulate the patients flora dont try this at home not give give her advise to use the otc anti fungal creams since candida colonizes primarily in the ano rectal area gi symptoms should be more common than vaginal problems after broad spectrum antibiotic use except that it isnt at least symptomatically apparent disease medicine has not and probalby never will be practiced this way there has always been the use of conventional wisdom a very good example is kidney stones conventional wisdom because clinical trails have not been done to come up with an effective prevention was that restricitng the intake of calcium and oxalates was the best way to prevent kidney stones from forming clinical trials focused on drugs or ultrasonic blasts to breakdown the stone once it formed through the recent new england j of medicine article we now know that conventional wisdom was wrong increasing calcium intake is better at preventing stone formation than is restricting calcium intake seems like this is an excellent argument for ignoring anecdotal conventional wisdom a euphemism for no data and doing a good clinical trial like au dismukes w e wade j s lee j y dockery b k hain j d ti a randomized double blind trial of nystatin therapy for the candidiasis hypersensitivity syndrome see comments so n engl j med 1990 dec 20 323 25 p 1717 23 psychological tests results the three active treatment regimens and the all placebo regimen significantly reduced both vaginal and systemic symptoms p less than 0 001 but nystatin did not reduce the systemic symptoms significantly more than placebo conclusions in women with presumed candidiasis hypersensitivity syndrome nystatin does not reduce systemic or psychological symptoms significantly more than placebo consequently the empirical recommendation of long term nystatin therapy for such women appears to be unwarranted does this trial address every issue raised here no jon noring was not surprised at this negative trial since they didnt use sporanox despite crooks recommendation for nystatin maybe they didnt avoid those carbohydrates the conventional wisdom in animal husbandry has been that animals need to be reinnoculated with good bacteria after coming off antibiotic therapy if it makes sense for livestock why doesnt it make sense for humans david we are not talking about a dangerous treatment unless you consider yogurt dangerous if this were a standard part of medical practice as gordon r says it is then the incidence of gi distress and vaginal yeast infections should decline marty youve also changed the terrain of the discussion from empiric itraconazole for undocumented chronic fungal sinusitis with systemic hypersensitivity symptoms noring syndrome to the yoghurt and vitamin therapy of undocumented candida enteritis elaine palmer syndrome with systemic symptoms there is significant difference between the cost and risk of these two empiric therapeutic trials are we talking about real candida infections the whole yeast connection hypothesis the efficacy of routine bacterial repopulation in humans or the ability of anecdotally effective therapies challenged by a negative randomized trial to confirm an etiologic hypothesis post hoc ergo propter hoc we cant seem to focus in on a disease a therapy or a hypothesis under discussion im lost guns blast them next time what happened in waco is not the fault of the batf if they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened the batf needs more people better weapons and more armored transports when they meet hostile fire they should be able to use more force instead of retreating to a stand off if you are going to do a job then do it right the batf is there to protect us and they must have the proper equipment and people to do the job with the wod and the increased crime in the streets the batf is needed more now then ever if they blast away a few good fokes then that is the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country look at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country of ours with the arms build up in waco they needed to hit that compound with mega fire power they could of gone in there blasting and killed a few women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn to death 51 days later baseball re nicknaming frank bolick in article 94428 hydra gatech edu gt0523e prism gatech edu michael andre mule wrote in article 1qu564inn9ti lynx unm edu kbos carina unm edu k mitchell bose writes in article 1qs8pn 3f zippy telcom arizona edu r4938585 joplin biosci arizona edu doug roberts writes doug roberts willing to trade frank bolick for a bag of used baseballs lets go expos one fun note from the rockies home opener i think frank bolicks nickname should be sarge because whenever we saw his name in denver for the expo series there was a big e5 next to it in the spirit of chris berman how about frank cerial bolick ho ho ha ha how about frank jacksonsuck bolick or frank cake icing bolick or frank its not a cow but a bolick or frank how do you get a ribbon to stay on a birthday present bolick or frank burns bolick or frank lee bad player bolick or frank i suck not bolick and so on matt wall wall cc swarthmore edu hey i gotta job here ok april 6 1993 boston red sox seize first place medicine re mind machines i use a zygon mind machine as bought in the usa last year although its no wonder cure for what ails you it is however very good at stopping you thinking sound strange well suppose youre tired and want to go to bed sleep but your head is full of niggling problems to resolve you lay in the bed and quickly they all come to the surface churning around from one unresolved thing to the next and then back again been there bought the t shirt i slip on the zygon and select a soothing pattern of light sound and quickly i just cant concentrate on the previous stuff your brains cache kinda gets flushed and you start on a whole new set of stuff a useful addition is the facility to feed the output of a tape player or cd through the box i use new age elevator muzak to enhance the overall effect deffo better than a pill cheers nigel nigel ballard int nigel dataman demon co uk im pink bournemouth uk cis 100015 2644 radio g1hoi therefore im spam guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5sv88 hjy news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes in article 1r1j3n 4t transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1r19tp 5em bigboote wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas do you eat all your food cold ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves very popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially not when the power has been cut off for weeks on end any generators are no doubt out of fuel too so all they would have is wood stoves and kerosene lanters maybe it is alleged that the tanks pushing in the walls knocked over the lanters starting the fire remember the fbi had bugs which they even used illegally to eavesdrop on private conversations with the lawyers if a suicide order were given they would have known it in time if the feds had been concerned they would have had emergency equipment ready not an hour or so later not leaving the water they turned off off they could have turned it back on they just didnt wanna scores to settle pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 pat myrto seattle wa if all else fails try uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former albert einstien medicine what is intersection syndrome and feldene hi i went to the orthopedist on tuesday he diagnosed me as having intersection syndrome he prescribed feldene for me i want to know more about the disease and the drug thanks somesh windows re workspace managers for win 3 1 a small review jamie scuglia jamie zikzak apana org au wrote thanks to all those people who recommended workspace managers for windows 3 1 i found 3 shareware workspace managers from australias ms windows archive monu6 cc monash edu au which mirrors some sites in the u s the three i found were 1 workspaces 1 10 wspace zip review deleted 2 workshift 1 6 wrksft16 zip review deleted 3 bigdesk 2 30 and backmenu backdesk zip review deleted i really appreciate this information however given that i dont have direct internet access which means i dont have archie access i must resort to using ftpmail this means that i need the site name and the directory where these workspace managers are located so can you or anyone else post or email me the needed information thanks very much chris chris huey tactix reengineering inc cah tactix rain com voice 503 684 4099 codecrafters custom crafted software in about an hour cars im getting a car i need opinions i have 30 000 as my budget im looking for a sports or gt car what do you think would be the best buy im looking for specific models thanks danny hey you programmers out there danny phornprapha please consider this ip02 lehigh edu bugs are another endangered earth lucc student konsultant species needing your protection work 215 758 4141 guns re dillon puts foot in mouth film at 11 in article 199304160443 aa25231 sun panix com justice panix com michael justice writes dillon has published a letter in the blue press telling people how to bankrupt hci by requesting information from them last time this idea went around in rec guns a couple of people said that hci counts all information requestors as members can anyone confirm or deny this if true whats the impact of hci getting a few thousand new members last i heard hci had something like 250k members to the nras 3 million if true and they want to play duelling mandates well the polymath aka jerry hollombe m a cdp aka hollombe polymath tti com head robot wrangler at citicorp laws define crime 3100 ocean park blvd 310 450 9111 x2483 police enforce laws santa monica ca 90405 citizens prevent crime medicine food related seizures i am posting to this group in hopes of finding someone out there in network newsland who has heard of something similar to what i am going to describe here i have a fourteen year old daugter who experienced a seizure on november 3 1992 at 6 45am after eating kellogs frosted flakes she is perfectly healthy had never experienced anything like this before and there is no history of seizures in either side of the family all the tests eeg mri ekg came out negative so the decision was made to do nothing and just wait to see if it happened again well we were going along fine and the other morning april 5 she had a bowl of another kellogs frosted kind of cereal fruit loops i am embarrassed to admit that i even bought that junk but every once in a while so i pour it in her bowl and think oh oh this is the same kind of junk she was eating when she had that seizure ten minutes later she had a full blown seizures this was her first exposure to a sugar coated cereal since the last seizure when i mentioned what she ate the first time as a possible reason for the seizure the neurologist basically negated that as an idea now after this second episode so similar in nature to the first even he is scratching his head once again her eeg looks normal which i understand can happen even when a person has a seizure once again we are waiting i have been thinking that it would be good to get to as large a group as possible to see if anyone has any experience with this kind of thing i know that members of the medical community are sometimes loathe to admit the importance that diet and foods play in our general health and well being anyway as you can guess i am worried sick about this and would appreciate any ideas anyone out there has sorry to be so wordy but i wanted to really get across what is going on here thanks sharon paulson s s paulson larc nasa gov nasa langley research center bldg 1192d mailstop 156 work 804 864 2241 hampton virginia 23681 home 804 596 2362 windows re more diamond ss 24x from article 1993apr20 195853 16179 samba oit unc edu by dil admin mhs unc edu dave laudicina has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this card is only in windows i have replaced card and am waiting on latest drivers also have experienced general protection fault errors in wspdpsf drv on winword tools option menu and in winfax setup i had a ati ultra but was getting genral protection fault errors in an spss application these card manufactures must have terrible quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs what a hassle running on gateway 2000 dx2 50 thx dave l youre using drivers version 2 02 or earlier the latest is 2 03 available from their bbs or by snailmail it at least fixes the wfw problem the reason i wanted to reply in public instead of private mail is because of following i talked to their tech support a few days ago and was told that i can expect a new version near the end of the month which should be about now however i have a problem when switching back from a dos session in standard mode apparently they dont know of this problem and seem to be surprised why anybody would want to use standard mode at all its a great card for the price at least when i bought it now there may be better alternatives bo peng cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx eliot stalfos engr washington edu eliot writes the subarus all use 180 degree vees in their engines eliot are 180 degree v 6 flat six engines chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area windows re diamond ss24x win 3 1 mouse cursor in article 1993apr16 145322 16378 nlm nih gov dabl2 nlm nih gov don a b lindbergh writes in article 1993apr15 204845 24939 nlm nih gov dabl2 nlm nih gov don a b lindbergh writes anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the diamond 1024x768x256 driver sorry dont know the version of the driver no indication in the menus but its a recently delivered gateway system am going to try the latest drivers from diamond bbs but wondered if anyone else had seen this as a followup this is a co workers machine he has the latest 2 03 drivers it only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver sometimes it takes a minute or so for the cursor to wig out but it eventually does in this mode i susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants i excluded a000 c7ff in the emm386 line and in system ini the problem persisted perhaps it is something specific to the gateway machine or its components it is a 66mhz dx 2 eisa bus with an ultrastore 24xx controller ah well i was hoping this was some kind of known problem or somebody had seen it before perhaps a call to gateway is in order but i do find folks here usually are far more in the know don lindbergh dabl2 lhc nlm nih gov i havent seen this particular problem but another place you might check is if your bios is doing video shadowing diamond wants that turned off that might cause a memory conflict as well good luck hope this helps chris loschen brandeis u religion re whos next mormons and jews in article 1rfg06 8mm usenet ins cwru edu cj195 cleveland freenet edu john w redelfs wrote in the hands of a defender a 357 is a miracle from god he helps those who help themselves or havent you ever heard that one before i didnt know god was a secular humanist kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net baseball re mlb nba in article kbanaian 495 735252811 bernard pitzer claremont edu kbanaian bernard pitzer claremont edu king banaian writes there is absolutely positively quite verifiably no causation that runs from salaries to ticket prices the two are separable decisions the owners do not raise ticket prices to recoup costs they raise ticket prices because demand for seats has risen wish i had bold type for that no for more evidence please come to my intro to econ course somewhere around lecture four sunk costs opportunity costs marginal costs right on ticket prices are set to maximize revenue period for an excellent discussion on how this works see gerald scullys book of a couple of years back titled i think the business of baseball we will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard 503 750 3511 home 3006 nw mckinley corvallis or 97330 503 752 8424 a sabr member since 1979 cars re mercury villager minivan good buy in 93115 132320icjps asuacad bitnet icjps asuacad bitnet writes my nissan quest has been doing 20mpg city though its first few tanks were more like 17mpg the v6 and at are remarkably smooth agreed i own a mercury villager and im very impressed with the v6 and the at in the past ive been biased towards manual standard transmissions i owned an aerostar with a 5 speed it was awesome but settled with the at in the villager and have been pleasantly surprised with its performance btw consumers report in their report on the villager alluded to some funny noises from the at ive been listening for them but havent noticed anything unusual chris christopher j born born ralvms vnet ibm com baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1993apr16 133818 1452 blurt oswego edu ma ind25 blurt oswego edu writes i believe that rusty staub was also a jewish ball player rust staub is not jewish in fact i think his father was a minister scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe lets go mets medicine re diet for crohns ibd in article uabdpo dpo uab edu 230493173928 spam dom uab edu uabdpo dpo uab edu gila005 stephen holland writes in article 1993apr23 211108 26887 midway uchicago edu bmdelane quads uchicago edu brian manning delaney wrote one thing that i havent seen in this thread is a discussion of the relation between ibd inflammation and the profile of ingested fatty acids fas even write a letter to the editor it is a good point by the way the abbreviation epa is not in general use so i do not know what fatty acid you are speaking about sorry i mean eicosapentaenoic acid and to brian an u of c there is a physician named stephen hanauer there who is a recognized expert in the treatment of ibd you might give him a call coincidentaly just yesterday i was finally referred from the clinic to hanauer im seeing him on may 24 ill report what he says about this question the treatment of ibd if you call please say hello to him from me i was looking at u of c for a position and perhaps still am will do brian delaney windows re word 2 0 help in article 1qmf6l euh msuinfo cl msu edu gcook horus cem msu edu greg cook writes from article 0096b11b 08a283a0 vms csd mu edu by 2a42dubinski vms csd mu edu can anyone tell me if and how they have printed spanish characters i know wp 5 1 has this built in but i do not recall ever seeing this option on wfw2 help try using the extended character set alt sequences look in character map in the accessories group and see the alt sequence for the font you want thanks i think ive figured it out now robert s dubinski aliases include robb regal sir mr and i marquette university math computer science double major internet address 2a42dubinski vms csd mu edu milwaukee wi windows roman bmp 09 14 part 9 of 14 max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax 3 9f8 z51 w wwiz bhj bhj bhj bhj giz m giz giz bhj giz m 1t ei0l v9f9f9fr a w 5z 46q04 75vo4 mu 34u 34u m34 w 084o o aug 0 y 518 0 mc p8v 55555555559 65 hwgv 7 7u q gy gp 45 2g vbdigiz max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax 34t2p hp 2 a p p1 2 a 34u 34tm 11 6um 6 mum8 3n ax ax ax ax ax 9 ne1 z bj sw2 3 8ltq 7 9v g m9v g9v g9v g9v gq 4tbxn b wm4u p 72tct f0 d 9c ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax avyaa df ijh nkjz b b w p0n vmk v mmk vn r kj0m 2w ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ms k s k vlv c 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mum 6um 6um 6um 6uh6um 6um 6um 6um 8 um 6ub0 j kk6u 0 m 0 0 0m 6 kj fhd gq ugx6 1j fij fij fj h z v m 9k 0d spd s8v mg9 x1 1 1 1 165dse5 v g9v g9v i65e3 54g9v m g9v g9v g9v g9v8 s s q145 145u 5 u idk b p 6ei ml6 o d a 1 5e9 u 2 g92e5e9 p 1v gn j v fyn jjjjjj j m jjjjk bql l9 kte u4 r4 4 u 1 p f b8f d i 7gr0d end of part 9 of 14 keywords windows wincmd trouble with string variables has anyone else been playing with that wincmd utility from pc magazine if so i am having trouble concatenating string variables together and need your help for example temp path temp2 file ext fullpath temp say fullpath output th fullpath fullpath temp2 say fullpath output h file ext so it seems to be dropping the first few characters with each concatenations is it that i am out of memory i only have maybe 20 variables total the article didnt mention memory limits email me if you have an idea or would like to see the actual source and output thanks for your help bo james bo begole begolej csgrad cs vt edu windows c7 link segment problem calling run time functions i have a small windows program which i can not get to work the program looks vaguely like this char f1 80 int winmain lstrcpy lpstr f1 hello long far pascal wndproc lstrcpy lpstr f1 hello i am using large model under windows 3 1 after linking without errors the rc program said sorting preload segments and resources into fast load section copying segment 1 53679 bytes rc fatal error rw1031 segment 1 and its relocation information is too large for load optimization make the segment loadoncall or rerun rc using the k switch if the segment must be preloaded using the k switch seems to interfere with the proper function of the second lstrcpy call can anybody explain what is going on and or how to fix it thanks pugsley dpugsle nswc wo nswc navy mil baseball rbi question is there any judgement call on the part of the scorer for sac fly rbis this is the situation that brought the question up the red sox were up in the bottom of the 9th by a score of 5 1 the mariners had the bases loaded with 1 out the batter hits a fly to center which the fielder catches the runner at third tags and scores without a throw now without a judgement call and i dont think there is one this is an rbi for the batter it seems to me that a better name for this would be defensive indifference since it doesnt really matter whether the guy at third scores at that point i know i can think of several if the mariners stole third and second which opening the base would allow and then the batter hit a grounder which the third baseman gets deep in the hole between himself and third he wouldnt have a play at home third or second for the out and maybe he therefore cant make the throw to first to get the last out etc scenarios too but does it really matter if this guy scores this way when youre down by 4 if the tying run is going to score so is the guy on third the point is that the batter imo shouldnt get credit an rbi for utterly failing to do his job which at this point is to get a hit or a walk not trade an out for one run what do you guys think regards burke charles s homan choman wpi wpi edu go red sox 11 3 go rocket 3 0 windows re head to head win and os 2 in article 1993may16 143722 4555 samba oit unc edu dil admin mhs unc edu dave laudicina writes question the next question is even if i did want to run os 2 and i had this big monster machine to run it on is there a diverse i think youre deliberatly overstating the requirements for os 2 considering that os 2 is a multi threaded true multitasking os and takes the place of dos and windows and more i actually think the requirements for os 2 are very reasoable i also think that anyone using windows 3 1 without 8 megs of ram a 386 40 and 200 megs of hard drive space is beating their head against a wall those are also legitimate requirements for os 2 in fact the requirements for windows 3 1 and os 2 are about equal the natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield thomas jefferson brad kepley kepley photon phys unca edu 704 252 8330 voice days baseball chris webber chokes after the marvelous time out call by chris webber which resulted in a technical foul since his team had no time outs left perhaps webber will take the place of bill buckner as the master of choke at least this red sox fan hopes so ted when chelsea clintons secret service agent had to be replaced by an active duty soldier she objected on the grounds that her family dislikes the military krueger gas uug arizona edu medicine neurofibromatosis hello i am writing a grant proposal for a developmental genetics class and i have chose to look at the neurofibromatosis 1 gene and its variable expressivity i am curious what has already been done on this subject especially the relationship between specific mutations and the resulting phenotype my literature search has produce many references but i want to make sure i am proposing new research if anyone knows aything that has been recently or key peopl doing research to search for using medline i would apprciate being informed thank you lisa megna lmegna titan ucc umass edu baseball re game length was re braves update i sent a version of this post out a while ago but it was swallowed by the void my apologies if anyone ends up receiving it sherri nichols writes in article 22apr93 04131972 vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu writes snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes i just dont happen to think that the 11 15 minutes added to the length of games over the last 10 years has added anything interesting how would you quantify that i suppose an easy way would be to look at attendance figures anyone got the numbers attendance figures arent going to quantify anything about my personal opinion which the above is clearly stated as add to me to the end of my sentence if youre confused about what i meant oh no i wasnt confused i understood that it was your personal opinion but i thought we were discussing the need to shorten games the arguments which declare this need seem to hinge on the assertion that long games bore people and otherwise discourage them from going to the ballpark id like to see if the increased length of games has negatively affected attendance if it has then there is a problem and something should be done about it if it hasnt then there isnt a problem and theres no need to monkey with things as they are heather hhenderson vax clarku edu windows re is microsoft windows really and ope in article 1pr6r2 t7c agate berkeley edu neff123 garnet berkeley edu stephen kearney writes apparently not many people complain about the confusion that results from the filemanager progman split its just a basic flaw i have one thing to say why does everyone say that spliting them up is such a bad thing i actually like my program launcher and file manager do be seperate it make things easier to figure out i mean take a look at os 2s wps no flames i personally hate it cause i just have too much trouble figuring out how to do simple things like file copy and dont say just drag the icon cause i hate icons in the first place i have too much trouble telling what all those little push buttons mean i want f ile c opy etc although i know im in the minority swyatt brahms udel edu no disclaimer i blame everything on someone else windows re utility for updating win ini and system ini sorry i did nt tell exactly what i need i need a utility for automatic updating deleting adding changing of ini files for windows the program should run from dos batchfile or the program run a script under windows i will use the utility for updating the win ini and other files on meny pc s do i find it on any ftp host svein baseball i want allstar tickets i want all star tickets does anyone know how i can get some are they for public sale or are they sold out or do you just have to work for a company with some anyway any answers would be appreciated please e mail me thanks andrew medicine re paxil request 880506s dragon acadiau ca james r skinner writes i have seen a couple of postings refering to an sri called paxil i have been on prozac for a number of years and recently switched to zolf i have seen a bit of comparsion of prozac to paxil but none on zolft to prozac can some one enlight me on the differences side effect profile etc does anyone know james robie skinner jodrey school of computer science james skinner dragon acadiau ca acadia university wolfville ns canada medicine re morbus meniere is there a real remedy it would be nice to think that individuals can somehow beat the system and like a space explorer boldly go where no man has gone before and return with a prize cure unfortunately too often the prize is limited and the efficacy of the cure questionable when applied to all sufferers this applies to both medical researchers and non medical individuals just because it appears in an obscure journal and may be of some use does not make the next cure all what about the dozens of individuals who have courageously participated in clinical trials did they have any guarentee of cures are they any less because they didnt trumpet their story all over the world as a parting note wasnt there some studies done on gingko seeds for menieres to the original poster what about trying for a trial of that its probably not a final answer but it certainly may alleviate some of the discomfort and youd be helping answer the question for future sufferers gervais windows win 3 1 startup screen downgraded to win 3 0 startup screen hhhheeeellllpppp meeeeeee i installed a 256 color svga driver for my windows last week this driver was downloaded from ftp cica indiana edu specifically for paradise svga card however after i installed it and when i run windows the startup screen in the beginning becomes the old windows 3 0 startup screen everything works fine except the startup screen i know the startup screen must have been changed in the system ini file or is it but i couldnt figure out what to alter can some one help me with this please e mail to my address thang tree egr uh edu or thang jetson uh edu in addition can anyone know where can i get a 1024x680 paradise svga driver 256 color this is a used computer and i do not have anything drivers etc regarding the driver thanks in advance o medicine re broken rib in article d0zb3b1w164w oneb almanac bc ca jc oneb almanac bc ca writes fell about 3 weeks ago down into the hold of the boat and broke or cracked a rib and wrenched and bruised my back and left arm my question i have been to a doctor and was told that it was best to do nothing and it would heal up with no long term effect and indeed i am about 60 better however the work i do is very hard and i am still not able to go back to work the thing that worries me is the movement or clunking i feel and hear back there when i move certain ways i heard some one talking about the rib they broke years ago and that it still bothers them any opinions your doctor is right it is best to do nothing besides taking some pain medication initially some patients dont like this and expect or demand to have something done in these cases some physicians will tape the patient put a lot of heavy adhesive tape around the chest or prescribe an elastic binder all this does is make it harder to breath but the patient doesnt feel cheated because soemthing is being done about the problem either way the end results are the same howard doyle doyle pitt edu medicine re opinions on allergy hay fever shots in article 1993apr22 143929 26131 midway uchicago edu jacquier gsbux1 uchicago edu eric jacquier says from now on it looks like 2 shots per week for 6 months followed by 1 shot per month or so each shot costs 20 talking about soaring costs and the health care system i would call that a racket we are not talking about rare amazonian grasses here but the garbage which grows behind the doctors office apart from this issue i was somewhat disappointed to find out that you have to keep getting the shots forever is that right you might look for an allergy doctor in your area who uses sublingual drops instead of shots for treatment you are given a small bottle of antigens 3 drops are placed under the tongue for 5 minutes my allergy to bermuda grass was neutralized this way throughout the treatment process i had to return to the doctors office every month for re testing and a new bottle of antigens after the allergy was completely neutralized a bottle of maintenance antigens lasts me about 4 months the sublingual drops are then taken 3 times per week and costs 20 so the cost is less than shots and it is more convenient just to take the drops at home bruce long windows dos 6 emm386 windows 3 1 prob has anyone else experienced problems with windows hanging after the installation of dos 6 i have narrowed the problem down to emm386 if if remove or disable emm386 windows is ok if emm386 is active with noems windows hangs if i use auto with emm386 the system hangs on bootup dave david clarke the well is deep wish me well ac151 freenet carleton ca david clarke mtsa ubc ca clarkec sfu ca windows re how can i use the mouse in non windows applications under ms windows in article 12328 ucsu colorado edu gonzaled ucsu colorado edu lgv mc writes kasajian netcom com kenneth kasajian writes wnkretz ikesg1 energietechnik uni stuttgart de oliver kretzschmar writes hey could somebody tell me how it is possible to work with the mouse in a non windows application which runs in an window we use ms windows 3 1 and have clipper applications exists there any routines or something else please mail me your informations thanks for your efforts oliver name o kretzschmar inst ike university stuttgart phone 49 711 685 2130 pfaffenwaldring 31 fax 49 711 685 2010 7000 stuttgart 80 email wnkretz ikesg1 energietechnik uni stuttgart de very simple you have to have the mouse com or mouse sys loaded in dos before you run windows note that you dont need to have these files loaded to use the mouse in windows one addition to this i dont know if it applies to everybody for my microsoft 400dpi mouse to work with windowed dos apps i had to use the driver that came with windows version 8 20 8 1 didnt allow me to do it for some reason i could never find the microsoft mouse driver on my windows 3 1 installation disks but dos 6 0 also has version 8 20 of mouse com stephen thomas at t tridom 404 514 3522 email sat eng tridom com attmail tridom sat religion re what right joakim ruud joakimr ifi uio no writes recently ive asked myself a rather interesting question what right does god have on our lives always assuming there is a god of course in his infinite wisdom he made it perfectly clear that if we dont live according to his rules we will burn in hell well with what right can god make that desicion lets say for the sake of argument that god creates every one of us directly or indirectly it doesnt matter what then happens is that he first creates us and then turns us lose well i didnt ask to be created lets make an analogue if a scientist creates a unique living creature which has happened it was even patented does he then have the right to expect it to behave in a certain matter or die dear joakim let me begin by saying that these are excellent questions but that by asking you will find as many different explanations as there are respondents as a latter day saint i believe that all of us you me etc lived once as spirit children of god the father hebrews 12 9 in the pre mortal existance in order to continue our eternal progression an earthly probationary time was required to live by faith not by sight to choose good over evil and to prepare ourselves in all things to become worthy of a higher order of existance we believe that all of gods spirit offspring were once assembled to discuss the specifics of this earthly sojourn one third chose for lucifers plan most followed the firstborn the pre mortal jesus christ lucifers aspirations i will exalt my throne above the stars of god isaiah 14 12 17 etc resulted into the rebellion of his followers against the firstborn and those who followed him resulting in the casting out of lucifer who became satan the father of lies and one third of the hosts of heaven and his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and did cast them to the earth revelation 12 4 as demons evil spirits to get back on our choice to be born on this earth and to be subject to god and his plan for good or bad based upon our obedience and choices we made that choice individually god speaking to job where wast thou when i laid the foundations of the earth when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of god shouted for joy job 38 4 7 we lost the knowledge of our pre mortal existance the veil of forgetful ness somewhere in psalms in order to live by faith not by sight you may not accept this scenario neither do quite a few who rely on the bible alone which offers only fragmentary insights into this particular aspect of our existence as individuals as sons and daughters of god who is god to impose its rules on us who can tell if god is really so righteous as god likes us to believe are all christians a flock of sheep unable to do otherwise that follow the rest hmmmmmmmmmmmm all christians by definition are a flock of sheep following the shepherd as they understand him but in any event not all christians believe in the same theology such as the one latter day saints believe in they will cry heresy and other accusations of perverting the doctrines of the bible while they themselves believe in a myriad of interpretations as found in their catechisms and various do it yourself bible study manuals as for me i have a personal conviction that the pre existance scenario as explained above is most in harmony with biblical doctrine some dead sea scroll books the pseudographion other jewish sources and last but not least modern day revelation on the subject i just want to point out that this is not sarcasm i mean it how should one deal with a man who is convinced that he is acting according to gods will and who there jokke fore believes that he is doing you a favour by stabbing you in the back voltaire casper c knies isscck byuvm bitnet brigham young university isscck vm byu edu ucs computer facilities medicine relief of pain caused by cancer i am not sure if this is the proper group to post this to but here goes anyway about five years ago my mother was diagnosed with having cancer in the lymph nodes under one of her arms after the doctors removed the cancerous area she had full movement of her arm with only slight aching under her arm when she moved it over the course of the next two years the aching got more severe and her complaining to the doctors produced the explanation that it was scar tissue causing the pain at this time her doctor suggested that some physiotherapy should be employed to break up the scar tissue while attending one of her therapy sessions while her arm was being manipulated some damage occured nerve which caused the level of pain to permanently increase severly controlled by tylenol 3s and some loss of use of the arm palsied wrist and almost no outward lateral movement with great persistence on her part the doctors looked further into the issue and discovered that not all of the cancer had been removed and another tumor had grown under the arm this was removed also but the pain in the arm has not decreased the doctors are not sure exactly why the pain is persisting but feel some sort of nerve damage has occured and they have employed tylenol 3 and soon morphine to relieve the pain she has tried acupuncture by this only provides minor reductions in pain and is only short term my questions are has anyone has heard of similar cases and what if anything was done to reduce the levels of pain are their methods to block nerves so that the pain can be reduced are their methods to restore nerves so that loss of arm function can be restored any general suggestions on pain reduction would be greatly appreciated please respond by email because i do not always get chance to read this group if anyone knows of some literature that may be useful to this case or another newsgroup that i should be posting this to it would also be appreciated gregory w luft internet vgwlu calgary chevron com chevron petroleum techonology company tel 403 234 6238 500 fifth ave s w fax 403 234 5215 calgary alberta canada t2p 0l7 windows re wallpaper in windows 3 1 louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes is there any utility available that will make windows randomly select one of your windows directorys bmp files as the wallpaper file there are a couple i am personally using screenpeace which is a if you need just to change the wallpaper then ive written a short program in vb that does this by using systemparametersinfo function the bad news is that you need vbrun200 dll to run it and the dll is some 350kb the program is about 7kb the order of pictures depends on the system date and the number of bmp files in the directory so the picture remains the same if you execute the program multiple times during the same day and the number of bmps has not changed if you feel this is what you need then i could uuencode it and email it to you it is unavailable via ftp ismo k rkk inen 109740 joyl joensuu fi iak cs joensuu fi phnglui mglwnafh cthulhu rlyeh wgahnagl fhtagn guns re bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks go to hell im no government following fanatic your sweeping generalizations evince your own ignorance what were they supposed to do just let him be once upon a time thats exactly what they would have done everyone could have just gone on living a peaceful if well armed life what is it that makes people think they have the right not to just leave others be jason innocence joy and squeezable fun for everyone toys steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu baseball re wfan in article 1993apr16 174843 28111 cabell vcu edu csc2imd cabell vcu edu ian m derby writes on the serious side maybe we should have a sub for sports radio tv as much as people complain about one station or another the information you hear is a lot more in depth than what you can get on the ap wire or usa today so to benefit those who have favorite teams outside of their vicinity this would do wonders people can get on and talk about what cataldi said about the eagles or what lupica said of the bonilla incident etc this can be for any station across the country anyone agree i agree although i would have no idea how to go about doing it but youve got my vote im outta here like vladimir alan whats this this is ice this is what happens to water when it gets too cold this this is kent this is what happens to people when they get too sexually frustrated val kilmer real genius guns re gun buy back in article 16bb8e4c0 r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes in article 1r6qqcinn8j4 clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes any death is serious wanna discuss match control firearms related unintentional deaths among children ages 14 and under are the fault of one or more negligent persons not the gun no i dont want to discuss match control i dont equate a book of matches to a loaded 9 millimeter either and you shouldnt as the matches kill more kids so why are you bleating about guns say that tired old nra line guns dont kill people people kill people it may be tired but it is true sure people can kill people without guns but easy access to guns makes it a lot more convenient guns dont kill people people with easy access to guns kill people no thats not right either people who have both easy access and the desire to kill kill people considering that people who have the desire to kill turn that into easy access havent you folks learned anything from either prohibition or the war on drugs if you dont affect the desire youre wasting your time not to mention the other costs incurred jim im just saying how it is im not saying if that is a good thing or not from the police who i have talked with who run some of these gun buyback programs i get the impression that they really think they are having an impact on the community good for them i note that the tm folks make the same argument if youll pay their expesnses 21 million for a reasonable size city they promise to meditate away all crime disease etc at least theyre not promising to jail me if i dont go along with their little plan theyre going to just sit in a room and fly leaving me alone gun violence whether its effective or not look if you cant measure the impact of these programs using some sort of pre test and post test evaluation what is the point it must be symbolic in nature ah but we have evaluated gun control using before after and it doesnt work to reduce crime what is the point we cant claim that it is symbolic as people do get jailed the police are essentially saying look if you have a gun lying around and you dont want it well give you 50 for it because we care about the community no theyre essentially saying we hope this will keep you from noticing that were not doing anything useful pissing away resources isnt caring if you i and joe could think of a way to measure the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of these programs we could become rich and famous nope youll merely be ignored as wright rossi and daly were after finishing under the gun they were supposed to prove that gun control worked so jim listen to me i said im not religious whatsoever do you understand religion has nothing to do with this i could care less what religion they were okay to put children in that situation is wrong pure and simple difference is good jim i am the most progressive and diverse person in the world but if different is allowing kids to be exposed to tanks and tear gas then yes jim different is wrong so who gassed them given their previous experience with thugs who threw grenades before yelling were from the govt and were here to help you would a rational person think that the feds had their best interests at heart would you know that the gas was non lethal andy windows re many people on one machine in 93111 154952cda90038 ucf1vm bitnet cda90038 ucf1vm bitnet mark woodruff writes i have several people sharing my machine and would like to set up separate environments under windows for each of them is there some way of setting things up separate desktops directories for each of them ideally id like totally separate virtual machines id be willing to settle for less and may end up having batch files that copy ini files around depending on who wants to use the machine you could use dos 6 to do this partly you can set up different config sys and autoexec bat commands for each user and they just have to select their menu option on bootup then you can have the autoexec bat copy the win ini and system ini files and change directories for them when they exit windows it can copy back generic ini files if you want this is the only way i can think of there may be some programs somewhere that allow you to do this better though using dos 6 allows each person to have a custom config sys and autoexec bat greg williams georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gw18 internet gw18 prism gatech edu religion re is it good that jesus died brian kendig bskendig netcom com wrote can you please point to something anything that proves to me that the universe cannot possibly be explained without accepting as a fact the existence of a god in precisely the way your holy book describes can you please convince me that your religion is more than a very cleverly constructed fable and that it does indeed have some bearing on my own personal day to day life would you consider the word of an eye witness peter to testify to the events surrounding jesus life 2pe 1 16 we did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our lord jesus christ but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty 2pe 1 17 for he received honor and glory from god the father when the voice came to him from the majestic glory saying this is my son whom i love with him i am well pleased 2pe 1 18 we ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain 2pe 1 19 and we have the word of the prophets made more certain and you will do well to pay attention to it as to a light shining in a dark place until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts this is a documented testimony perhaps further research on your part is warranted before making more statements there is considerably more to study in peters two books of testimony regarding the messiah it is well worth your time mr brian jim burrill guns re hr 1276 a gun law i can live with in article 1993apr15 171601 25930 dg rtp dg com meyers leonardo rtp dg com bill meyers writes a bill to establish the right to obtain firearms for security and to use firearms in defense of self family or home and to provide for the enforcement of such right maybe im too religious but when i see a bill to establish a right i wince keep in mind what the law giveth the law can taketh away cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars re fast idle on 88 ford ranger ljbartel naomi b23b ingr com les bartel writes it did it again this morning my 88 ford ranger was idling at 10 000 rpm ok so i exaggerated a little but it was idling very fast it has a 2 liter carburated engine in it and no blipping of the throttle would cause the idle to drop back to normal i dont think the linkage is stuck what can i do to fix this problem this has been a problem from time to time but has straightened itself out until now i dont have a tach but by gauging by the sound of the engine it is idling about twice as fast as it should be this is down from what it was idling at when i pulled up at a stop light sometimes a bad choke pull off diaphram will cause a car to fast idle the pull off which is vacuum actuated provides a necessary pull in non cold weather conditions to get the idle off the the fast idle cam locate the fast idle cam on your vehicle and see if you can rotate it to produce a normal idle if so locate the diaphram and test it if you cant apply suction via a good piece of rubber vacuum hose with your mouth that will cause the diaphram to retract then its bad and should be replaced bernie lofaso applied research labs medicine cold sore location ive had cold sores in the past but they have always been in the corner of my mouth recently ive had what appears to be a cold sore but on my lower lip in the middle above the chin can cold sores appear anywhere around the mouth or body is there a medical term for cold sore ralph yozzo yozzo watson ibm com from the beautiful and historic new york state mid hudson valley medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1qnns0 4l3 agate berkeley edu spp zabriskie berkeley edu steve pope writes the mass of anectdotal evidence combined with the lack of a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving the hypothesis makes the msg reaction hypothesis the most likely explanation for events the following is from a critique of a 60 minutes presentation on msg which was aired on november 3rd 1991 the critique comes from the tufts diet and nutrition letter february 1992 edited for brevity chances are good that if you watched 60 minutes last november 3rd 1991 you came away feeling msg is bad for you in the segment entitled no msg for instance show host ed bradley makes alarming statements without adequately substantiating them millions are suffering a host of symptoms and some get violently sick peppers his report with sensational but clinically unproven personal testimony and speaks of studies on msg that make the substance seem harmful without explaining just how inconclusive those studies are consider his making reference at the beginning of the program to a study conducted at the eastern virginia medical school in order to back up his comment that there is a lot of evidence that msg a flavor enhancer in chinese and other asian cuisines as well as in many supermarket items causes headaches what he does not make reference to is the fact that the study was performed not on humans but on rabbits one of the researchers who conducted the study pharmacologist patricia williams ph d says it certainly is conceivable that a small minority of people are sensitive enough to msg to get headaches from it but she explains the show probably overemphasized the extent of the problem a second lapse comes with mention of dr john olney a professor at the washington university school of medicine who mr bradley remarks says that his 20 years of research with laboratory animals shows msg is a hazard for developing youngsters because it poses a threat of irreversible brain damage dr olneys research with lab animals does not show anything about human youngsters in fact only under extreme circumsrtances did dr olneys experiments ever bring about any brain damage when he injected extremely high doses of msg into rodents completely bypassing their digestive tracts and entering their bloodstreams more directly and when he used tubes to force feed huge amounts of the substance to very young animals on an empty stomach of course neither of those procedures occurs with humans they simply take in msg with food and most of what they take in is broken down by enzymes in the wall of the small intestine so that very little reaches the bloodstream much to little in fact for human blood levels of msg to come anywhere near the high concentrations found in dr olneys lab animals the world health organization appears to be very much aware of that fact and so does the european communities scientific committee for food both after examining numerous studies have concluded that msg is safe their determination makes sense considering that msg has never been proven to cause all the symptoms that have been attributed to it headaches swelling a tightness in the chest and a burning sensation among others in fact the most fail safe of clinical studies the double blind study has consistently exonerated the much maligned substance thats quite fortunate since the alleged hazardous component of monosodium glutamate glutamate enters our systems whenever we eat any food that contains protein the reason is that one of the amino acids that make up protein glutamic acid is broken down into glutamate during digestion its a breakdown that occurs frequently glutamic acid is the most abundant of the 20 or so amino acids in the diet it makes up about 15 percent of the protein in flesh foods 20 percent in milk 25 percent in corn and 29 percent in whole wheat that doesnt mean its entirely unimaginable that a small number of people have trouble metabolizing msg properly and are therefore sensitive to it the consensus reached by large international professional organizations is that msg is safe the same consensus reached by the fda and the biomedical community at large rich young these are not kodaks opinions windows question about localtalk appleshare on ms dos system is anyone out there running a ms dos system with a localtalk board i am on an appletalk network hooked up with a daystar digital lt200 mc localtalk interface board running on a ps 2 model 70 im using the appleshare pc software for file server and network access it works fine under dos or the window or os 2 dos box but when i try to load it before windows so that every application i run could get access to it the machine crashes hard as soon as i start up an application and of course things look pretty hopeless for os 2 but who knows so does anyone have experience with this bizarre and obsolete setup duncan duncans phoenix princeton edu windows ss 24x questions just got a ss24x based on its good ratings but am a little under impressed first is its performance in 16 7 mill supposed to be comparable to a trident 8900 or other unaccelerated vga i came up with only ok performance on winspeed in 256 it was between good and great second does anyone know where to get that jpg viewer for the ss24x i saw it on cica or something does it work better thanks for any help greg i i i gregory s king i the quality of life is i i aeronautical engineering i directly proportional to i i cal poly slo i how fast you drive i guns re my gun is like my american express car in article 27322 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman writes in article 93104 231049u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes all your points are very well taken and things that i havent considered as i am not really familiar enough with handguns thats not all that kratz doesnt know hell a glock is the last thing that should be switched to the only thing that i know about a glock is the lack of a real safety on it sure there is that little thing in the trigger but that isnt too great of a safety now we know that kratz doesnt understand what a safety is supposed to do he also confuses things he can see with things that exist glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the outside a safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off unless thats what the user wants with glocks one says i want the gun to go off by pulling the trigger if the safeties it has make that work it has a real safety no matter what kratz thinks andy i agree very much i have read almost every article written about the glock and imo it is probably the safest auto loader made it has the best safty of all jeff coopers first rule keep your finger off the trigger until you want to shoot if everyone just observed this there would be fewer accidents david n bixler auburn university standard disclaimers apply baseball re astros for real in article c5ky58 12kd austin ibm com marc yogi austin ibm com marc j stephenson writes in article 1993apr15 234838 4138 ccsvax sfasu edu z millerwl ccsvax sfasu edu writes who thinks the astros are going places theyre currently first place theyre 5 4 5 1 on the road i agree lumberjack except that theyre in 2nd they are going places san diego los angeles san francisco cincinnati denver atlanta miami philadelphia new york montreal pittsburgh chicago st louis and points in between but theyre 0 3 at home but they faced the phillies a team that got off to an 8 1 start im just not used to an overly enthusiastic houston fan i really shouldnt discourage it so hang in there lumberjack but get ahold of that shift key will ya obbase apparently the new owner drayton mclain sp doesnt particularly like excuses an item in our paper the austin american statesman if you read it here it was somewhere else first said that he wouldnt take injuries as an excuse for losing because that possibility should have been accounted for uh oh i dont want an owner thatll keep everybody on edge id never gotten that feeling about him but who knows does to be honest i think the city of houston loves the new owner he has brought baseball back to houston with key acquisitions players that were from the houston area and wanted to play for the astros i dont think that too many people are fearful that mclane will meddle in the team as he has already admitted that he doesnt know a whole lot about baseball mclane is a businessman and doesnt like excuses he makes a valid point that injuries shouldnt be an excuse to this club look at the depth of the bench this season canadele can play 7 positions bass and james are solid outfielders and can hit well too uribe is nice to have as well the pitching staff has 6 legitimate starters were dealing with a young houston team so injuries shouldnt play a big role the only threat is the bullpen if jonesy goes out we may be in trouble but with the type of starters we have this season there is less pressure on the pen david s schwam university of houston st1rp jetson uh edu cars alaska car show peninsula cruisers third annual autofaire what car show for any and all types of vehicles including pedal cars where kenai mall kenai alaska when may 14 15 16 1993 who peninsula cruisers car club kenai ak 907 283 4979 why proceeds of this event to benefit the cooper landing ambulance corps general this car show is open to all types of cars trucks motorcycles factory and modified mild to wild antique special interests race drag mudders hi po or just plain ugly this is a fun event intended for the occassional gear head to the most serious gear slammer we would like to have as many entrants as possible but please contact us for space availability first come first serve p s all out of town entrants can stay right next door at the kenai merrit inn for a special rate of 60 a night single or double occupancy call the merit 907 283 6131 if youd like any further information you can contact me at the addresses below mel mckay cant drive 55 rebelheart a gorgeous 90 supercoupe remember 55 saves lives 110 saves twice as many rebelheart too old for some things define bitnet fsmlm2 alaska too young to know define e mail fsmlm2 acad3 alaska edu which things baseball re infield fly rule one last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasnt yet been addressed i believe the rule also does not deal with this situation if infield fly is declared and the ball is caught runners can tag up and advance at their own risk as on any fly ball however if the infield fly is not caught at what point can a runner legally leave his base w o fear of being doubled off for advancing too early when the ball hits the ground when a fielder first touches the ball after it hits the ground enlightenment would be appreciated jay baseball re relative value of players in article c5ro4h lww world std com jle world std com joe m leonard writes before folks jump on me let me ask the net would the jays have won the al with a good pitcher from aaa in place of morris given his run support how about an average ml pitcher i cant believe that morris performance in the playoffs and series had a large positive impact on the jays performance i know its very trendy nowadays to dump on morris but lets give credit where credit is due it is doubtful that the blue jays would have won the al east without morris last year when the team went 13 15 for the month of august and all the other starters were being shelled and milwaukee was making a charge morris went 5 1 with a pretty good era i cant remember exactly also lets not underestimate the importance his 240 innings to save the bullpen every fifth day if he didnt help us win the al east forget about the pennent and the world series his run support was high 5 98 runs but so was stottlemyers 5 90 runs and he won only 12 games i do remember morris winning an inordinate number of 6 5 and 8 6 ballgames but this is to his credit he pitched only as good as he needed to be when he was up 6 1 in a ballgame he just put it in cruise control and threw the ball up there and let the batters get themseleves out i hate this expression an inexperienced pitcher would wear himself out trying to make perfect pitches to keep his era down but morris being a veteran pitcher knows that winning is the only thing that really matters in baseball by saving himself he was able to reach back for that little extra i hate this too when the game was on the line yes morris is crapping out big time this year but lets not change history to suit the present btw i think he should be put in the bullpen it would be embarrassing a veteran pitcher which cito would never do but his era is 17 how much more can he be embarrassed from where i sit ill let others have the excellent players ill settle for good enough and the ring ditto joe leonard jle world std com eddie baseball re jim lefebvre is an idiot 00bjgood leo bsuvc bsu edu writes i just wanted to let everyone know that i have lost what little respect i have for jim lefebvre after seeing todays cubs game first of all how could he etc vizcaino was batting face it lefebvre has got to be the worst manager in baseball a dishard cub fan hey hes the only manager so far to lead the seattle mariners to a winning season out of what fifteen give him some credit for that dave the machman machman u washington edu david c carroll c oo big science hallelujah cars w rec autos there is just something disconcerting about the name of this group baseball re jewish baseball players in article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we werent able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help wasnt ron bloomberg the former yankee who got the first base hit by a designated hitter jewish scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe lets go mets medicine re request for information on essential tremor and indrol in article 1q1tbninnnfn life ai mit edu sundar ai mit edu writes essential tremor is a progressive hereditary tremor that gets worse when the patient tries to use the effected member all limbs vocal cords and head can be involved inderal is a beta blocker and is usually effective in diminishing the tremor alcohol and mysoline are also effective but alcohol is too toxic to use as a treatment gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows re ati avi drivers in article qfwynh200wb78rzvpv andrew cmu edu andrew a houghton ah0i andrew cmu edu writes i noticed ati had posted beta avi drivers for their mach32 boards on compuserve has anyone had the chance tgo try them how well do they work very well indeed at home a vl bus version of the graphics pro i can stretch an avi window to 640x480 and it will continue to play back smoothly it drops a few more frames but on most machines even attempting such a thing would mean one frame update every 30 seconds an isa graphics was able to do zoom by 2 without any perceptible performance penalty it is the best performance ive seen so far with the possible exception of an intel indeo board which uses overlay so it doesnt have to move the decompressed data over the isa bus at any point john munsch cars re what car is this you guys are correct the bricklin was produced in canada the national museum of science and technology here in ottawa has one and sometimes they put it on display most of the time it stays in storage because the museum doesnt have much room its a big deal for a car to be canadian and thats why they have it if anybodys a fan they also have a nice green 73 riviera that looks like it just came out of the showroom mike harker ottawa ontario canada voice 613 823 6757 paul tomblin formerly pt geovision gvc com svens law theres exceptions to every law except this one guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5sv88 hjy news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas do you eat all your food cold ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves very popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially microwaves dont work very well with no electricity mr engineer personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were jeff strait strait uicsl csl uiuc edu university of illinois phone 217 333 6444 if you ladies leave this island if you survive basic recruit training you will be a weapon a minister of death praying for war windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 15008 news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu kurt bollacker writes tim glauert thg cam orl co uk wrote in other words it is your opinion that msw3 1 is inferior to its competition thats not the same as msw3 1 being objectively inferior no it is technically inferior to the os guis that i listed ok now you are starting to define your criteria by this criterion it is inferior im afraid that you havent actually proved that you have shown that some aspects of msw3 1 are technically inferior to other systems as i said earlier if this is all you are trying to say then it is trivially true but some aspects of msw3 1 are actually technically superior to each of the other systems resource requirements performace device support printer support gui etc btw id love to see the studies which show that unix x is as easy to learn as windows but i might even agree that on balance msw3 1 is technically inferior to some of the competition this still does not prove your point if you have another then perhaps i am incorrect range of available applications base os cost cost of applications cost of hardware multi platform support quality of the after sales service availability of books training materials support for visual and physical handicaps suitability for use in mobile computing quality of documentation if you think that technical excellence is the only factor when deciding on an os or indeed the primary factor you need to think again religion re spreading christianity re christian extremist kills doctor not to be too snide about it but i think this christianity must be a very convenient religion very maliable and suitable for any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and reinterpret the bits that dont match with ones desires it is in fact so convenient that were i capable of believing in a god i might consider going for some brand of christianity the only difficulty left then of course is picking which sect to join there are just so many dean kaflowitz yes christianity is convenient following the teachings of jesus christ and the ten commandments is convenient trying to love in a hateful world is convenient turning the other cheek is convenient so convenient that it is burdensome at times dave there are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke bob dylan never let school interfere with your education mark twain rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated mark twain tact is getting your point across without stabbing someone with it subtlety is saying what you mean then getting out of the way before it is understood if you were happy every day of your life you wouldnt be a human being youd be a game show host taken from the movie heathers windows re pc geos windows os 2 and unix x11 in article c528he i1q news ucs mun ca rcampbel weejordy physics mun ca roderick campbell writes there is a free unix linux that has cc c fortran f2c xwindows and many other features besides with a large number of utilities that can be optionally added and there is also a free 386bsd i believe both these unixs are quite robust you can check out comp os linux i dunno about linux but for 386bsd dont forget networking well tested at that nfs a fast incredibly stable filesystem and the list goes on 8 for us 386bsd folk look in comp os 386bsd chris moderator of comp os 386bsd announce anti politician and sometime evangelist chris g demetriou cgd cs berkeley edu 386bsd as depth first search whenever you go to fix something you find that 3 more things are actually broken adam glass cars re braindead drivers who dont look ahead in article 1993apr14 140642 19875 cbnewsd cb att com hhm cbnewsd cb att com herschel h mayo writes well i guess i know for sure what i meant and it is this i dont know where you drive but around here freeways are often clogged solid with large packs of semis trucks and cars of all descriptions when i close on one of these rolling clusterf s on the highway i have no desire to add my vehicle to this rolling accident looking for a place to happen if there were any way to pass it i would be passing myself however i cant as i posted before all it takes is a blown tire or some moron tramping on the brakes to turn this pack into a cloud of shredded metal flying glass and burning vehicles i want to maintain enough free space between myself and this mess to at least have a minimal chance to avoid a mass crash that means maintaining a clear space between me and it however there is no end of shortdriving morons who are dying to pass so they can add themselves and their car to the bodycount that wouldnt bother me so much except that after letting enough of these morons pass me and glue themselves to the pack ahead my interval is filled up trying to back off further does not work because the road behind me has filled up trapping my car right into an ever increasing pack now if there was any slight possibility that there was a lane open ahead id be glad to move over but there usually is no way in hell that anybody is going anywhere so i block the would be passers not only for my own good but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it just an comment i dont like it when people decide whats good for me if you think youre going to decide anything for me youd better be carrying a badge and a gun who made you capable of determining if there is no way in hell that anybody is going anywhere why do you find it necessary to add to the problem instead of just minding your own business if someone is minding their own business i will give them all the room they want and ill try to make things easy for them even letting them in in front of me if they ask politely with a directional on the other hand if someone like you decides they want to block me and be a general asshole you can bet your ass that ill make life as miserable as possible for you as long as it doesnt affect anyone else whos minding their own business they have a phrase to describe someone like you self appointed traffic police just mind your own business and stay in the right lane where you belong as a rule of philosophy i dont feel particularly sorry when somebody gets offed by his own stupidity but it does worry me when some idiot is in a position to cash in my chips too h h mayo 85 mustang gt bob pitas ush 14 13 99 8 bpita ctp com up at ned epping nh cambridge ma geddy lee in yyz disclaimer these opinions are mine obviously since they end with my sig baseball missing subject header in article 93095 hydra gatech edu gt7469a prism gatech edu brian r landmann writes joe torre has to be the worst manager in baseball for anyone who didnt see sundays game with a right hander pitching he decides to bench lankform a left handed hitter and play jordan and gilkey both right handers thats because lankford had a minor injury from a couple of games before that and was day to day only available as a pinchrunner later in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts lankford a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses luis alicea a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter what the hell is he thinking see above earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring mark whiten he commented how fortunate the cardinals were to get whiten and that whiten would be a regular even though this meant that gilkey would be hurt but torre said he liked gilkey coming off the bench gilkey hit over 300 last year what does he have to do to start the guy would be starting on most every team in the league at the beginning of the interview torre also said lankford is the one outfield guy whos in there no matter what my guess is jordan will eventually end up being odd man out due to low on base percentage whiten was a great acquisition decent offense and great defense in rightfield but dont worry gilkey will be starting as soon as jordan or whiten displays an extended period of low offensive output cars re likelihood of radio being stolen the question is not whether your radio will be stolen the question is when your radio will be stolen tommy reingold at t bell labs holmdel nj tommy boole att com or att boole tommy cars re opel owners in c5t3b2 dg news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca darren gibbons writes im looking for information on opel cars now you ask which model well the sad truth is im not entirely sure but its a two seater with roll over headlights hard top and really sporty looking my friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition body wise but he transmission has seized up on him so it hasnt run for a while does anyone have any info on these cars the engine compartment looks really tight to work on but it is in fine shape and i am quite interested in it thanks darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca this would be the manta would it not sold through buick dealers in the mid 70s as the price leader sounds a lot more like an opel gt to me id guess that this is on the same chassis as the kadett rather than the bigger manta but i could easily be wrong i think the later kadetts were sold here as buick opels craig i think the manta is the european name for the gt im pretty sure that the only kadetts sold here were are the pontiac lemans i think the gt is just an early 70s to mid 70s manta chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area bzzt the manta was a two door sedan in the us it had a 1900 engine was sometimes referred to as an opel 1900 mantas are also ve hot and fun cars too mliggett silver ucs indiana edu mliggett iugold bitnet junk collector toys r us kid antiauthoritarian and fan of frogs iguanas and other herps baseball re camden yards in article 1993apr23 035220 21801 uvm edu luh med uvm edu eddy luh writes anyone know how i can get some tickets to see the birds at camden yards more specifically anyone have confidence in any particular ticket agencies in the new england new york area that will be fair about prices tickets are very hard to get even at the box office at camden yards if you really want to see a game here i go to school in baltimore price should not be an issue tickets go up to 15 but you should be willing to go as high as 20 25 if you really want to come men go crazy in andrew kamholz something in me dark and sticky congregations but 410 516 3052 all the time its getting strong they only get better sting no way of dealing with this feeling one by one peter gabriel cant go on like this too long guns re my gun is like my american express card gun clubs if you are a member you can borrow weapons suprised you are supposed to train with a 22 for the 6 months then you can start with anything bigger drivers licence forgot that usa is the land of cars getting one in scandinavia and northern europe is not easy average time is about 20 hours of training and the cost is rather but we think this is acceptable because a car is not a toy and bad drivers tend to hurt others if you are really bad you wont get a lincence abuse by the goverment this seems to be one of the main problems any harder gun control would just be abused by the goverment either some of you are a little paranoid no offence or you should get a new goverment you do have elections guns n criminals most weapons used by criminals today are stolen known criminals can not buy weapons thats one of the points of gun control and because gun control are strict in whole scandinavia and most of europe we dont have any problem with smuggled guns mixing weapons and things that can be use as one what i meant was that cars can kill but they are not guns someone said that if we ban guns wed have to ban cars to because they kill to i dont think we should argue on this one the issue i hope i think we all agree that the criminals are the main problem guns are not a problem but the way they are used is and what are they for i think this discusion is interesting when you think of ex jugoslavia they should all have weapons its their rigth to have them and if they use them to kill other innocent people the problem is humans not guns if 50 of all murders was done with axes would you impose some regulations on them or just say that they are ment to be used at trees and that the axe is not a problem its the axer an example dont flame me just because not exactly 50 are killed by guns think about the situation in los angeles where people are buying guns to protect themselves is this a good situation is it the rigth way to deal with the problem if everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals and their neighbor who have guns what do you think will happen i mean if everybody had a gun in usa dont flame the englishmen because of northern irland they have gun control that works in england and fonds from usa are one of the reasons why ira can bomb innocents something about throwing stones in glass houses dont flame them because of what to three children did either can an jugoslav have an oppinion on guns or even peace yes my numbers about crime rates after restrictions on shot guns are from the police and the statistisk sentralbyraa understood that one sorenson last word responsible gun owners are not a problem but they will be affected if you want to protect your citicens this is not a signature its merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil internet thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no medicine re how to diagnose lyme really gordon banks geb cs pitt edu wrote in article 1993apr12 201056 20753 ns1 cc lehigh edu mcg2 ns1 cc lehigh edu marc gabriel writes now im not saying that culturing is the best way to diagnose its very hard to culture bb in most cases the point is that dr n has developed a feel for what is and what isnt ld this comes from years of experience no serology can match that unfortunately some would call dr n a quack and accuse him of trying to make a quick buck why do you think he would be called a quack the quacks dont do cultures they poo poo doing more lab tests this is lyme believe me ive seen it many times the lab tests arent accurate well treat it now also is dr ns practice almost exclusively devoted to treating lyme patients i dont know any orthopedic surgeons who fit this pattern they are usually gps no he does not exclusively treat ld patients however in some parts of the country you dont need to be known as an ld specialist to see a large number of ld patients walk through your office given the huge problem of underdiagnosis orthopedists encounter late manifestations of the disease just about every day in their regular practices dr n told me that last year he sent between 2 and 5 patients a week to the ld specialists and he is not the only orthopedists in the town lets say that only 2 people per week actually have ld that means at the very minimum 104 people in our town and immediate area develop late stage manifestations of ld every year add in the folks who were diagnosed by neurologists rheumatologists gps etc and you can see what kind of problem we have no wonder just about everybody in town personally knows an ld patient he refers most patients to ld specialists but in extreme cases he puts the patient on medication immediately to minimize the damage in most cases to the knees gordon is correct when he states that most ld specialists are gps marc marc c gabriel u c box 545 215 882 0138 lehigh university medicine re barbecued foods and health risk hi thought id add something to the conversation my girlfriend used to work in a lab studying different natural carcinogens she mentioned once about the cancerous effect of barbecued food basically she said that if you eat barbecued foods with strawberries a natural carcinogen the slight carcinogenic properties of both cancel out each other jeff poupore jtpoupor undergrad math uwaterloo ca jeff poupore jtpoupor undergrad math uwaterloo ca baseball re cubs expos roster questions to make room for harkey the cubs sent shawn boskie down to aaa windows changing windows fonts a friend of mine uses windows 3 1 to do most of her work unfortunately she has very bad eyesight and we havent been able to figure out how to change the default font used by the system and application menus or the font used by the help program what use is hypertext if you cant read it to make it legible to her if anyone knows how to increase the size of these fonts of any software package that makes windows more accessible to visually handicapped people please let me know thanks dan baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1993apr20 174749 7149 asd com scott asd com scott barman writes in article 1993apr19 022425 29145 princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig writes in article psm82b2w164w jwt oau org bbs comarow jwt oau org writes dave kingman is jewish sez who sez dave kingman when he used to take off for rosh hashanna and yom kippur on days they coincided with the season the only problem is dave kingman was always taking off rosh hashana yom kippur easter the day elvis died 8 16 the entire spring training month of ramadan purim the 4th of july both games that day my birthday ok during the world series he never had to play there memorial day both games that day guys help me out here ive run fresh out of holidays that coincide with the baseball season and im trying to catalogue all the days in his career that dave kingman or at least his bat went awol a complete religious calendar detailing every holiday in every extant religion in the western hemisphere would be appreciated only then can we truly be certain that dave kingman observed every holiday ever conceived of course not scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe lets go mets jason a miller some doctor guy frank tanana 1 win guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r3j2k da2 menudo uh edu hadcrjam admin uh edu miller jimmy a writes as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas do you eat all your food cold minor quibble the assualt and it was one began near dawn the fire did not break out for several hours i find it highly unlikely that the bd would be cooking lunch while armored vehicles punch holes in their house and are pumping in tear gas look i dont want to bore everybody here with the physics of woodstoves but theyre not anything like your caloric gas range it takes about three hours for a woodstove to get hot enough to cook on and afterwards you cant just shut it off it will contain hot embers for over 24 hours even after you choke it completely so it aint exactly light up the stove and cook me a batch of them pancakes aunt j if you use a woodstove for cooking or even for heating your house at night you will have it lit to some extent all the time trust me on this one i speak from experience cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars re photo radar was re rec autos frequently asked questions photo radar and mailed tickets make no sense at all speeding is a moving violation committed by the operator not the owner the owner may be a rental agency a dealer a private party or a government agency as long as the owner has no reason to expect the operator will be driving illegally or unsafely the owner cannot be held responsible for what the operator does the car may even have been driven without the owners knowledge or consent i cant believe a mailed ticket where the driver is not identified would stand up in court this is obviously a lazy cynical boneheaded fascist way to extort revenue and has nothing to do with public safety bk what do photo radar units look like also what major u s cities use it jon dunn baseball re bonilla in article 13615 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes in article 1993apr19 214904 29499 princeton edu roger crux princeton edu roger lustig writes in article steph 735253341 pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes in 1993apr18 204643 4404 princeton edu roger crux princeton edu roger lustig writes if black players cant survive being mediocre or worse how can mcrae and chamberlain be explained nobodys saying its a hard and fast rule my point is that white players are likely to stick around longer if theyre mediocre i went through tb iii and made a list of 10 year of and 1b who were negative in both adjusted batting runs and total player rating tpr has some problems but its generally not too far off for a career imho all players who played most of their career after 1960 were considered here are a through i havent done the rest yet armas bailor balboni bannister beauchamp beniquez bergman berry biittner blair bochte bonnell bosley bradford l brown buckner cabell c castillo cater cimoli cline clines coles d collins davalillo dernier dilone gaston geiger geronimo gosger heep iorg a few black players there a lot of white and hispanic hmmm one question how do you differentiate hispanic and black after all some people fall into both categories rafael ramiriez comes to mind and hed fit into this grouping also oops hes not an of 1b although he is a light hitting utility player sorry about that but miguel dilone would qualify if i remember correctly when i say black i mean us born black people for the purposes of this discussion hispanic players were in baseball before 1947 and one team in the 50s signed lots of hispanics because they went over better with the local audience than blacks did and why would more hispanics stick around than blacks dont know but remember this is the country that had special racial laws for one group and one group only blacks our national history includes huge long term global tensions regarding the black minority the hispanic minority while often discriminated against has never been the object of national obsession it might also be worth your while to subdivide the data into careers starting at 10 year intervals i would think that your prediction would be most true for careers starting in the 1960s and least true for careers starting in the 1980s of course youd also have to compare total ml racial percentages for the era in question absolutely as i said before i expect that this effect is disappearing but it certainly did exist and all out talk of twgs and all that is not without some small reason im of the opinion that your point is less valid today than it was 25 years ago but i would be curious to see the data well theres the list go for it ill cull some more names as i go i expect youre right btw roger guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors brent irvine irvine uxh cso uiuc edu writes cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas do you eat all your food cold ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves very popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially oh i see electricity is a natural right our wonderful government would never cut off the power to the people they were besieging are you really this dumb or just acting like it for the sake of argument jason true love is better than anything except cough drops the princess bride book by william goldman steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr16 155123 447 cunews carleton ca wcsbeau alfred carleton ca opirg writes so far ive seen about a dozen posts of anecdotal evidence but no facts i suspect there is a strong psychological effect at work here does anyone have results from a scientific study using double blind trials check out 27903 just some 20 posts before your own um i hate to break this to you but article numbers are unique per site they have no meaning on other machines maybe you missed it amidst the flurry of responses you mean the responses some of which pointed to double blind tests which show no such chinese restaurant effect unique to msg its elicited by the placebo as well yet again the use of this newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters they have substantial knowledge of like youself someone who can read a scientific paper and apparently come away from it with bizarrely cracked ideas which have nothing to do with the use of this substance in human nutrition for cites on msg look up almost anything by john w olney a toxicologist who has studied the effects of msg on the brain and on development it is undisputed in the literature that msg is an excitotoxic food additive no its undisputed in the literature that glutamate is an amino acid which is an excitatory neurotransmitter there is also evidence that excessive release of glutamate may be involved in the pathology of certain conditions like stroke drowning and lou gehrigs disease just to name a few this is a completely different issue than the use of this ubiquitous amino acid in foods people are not receiving intra ventricular injections of glutamate and that its major constituent glutamate is essentially the premierie neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain humans included i dont know about premier but its certainly an important one too much in the diet and the system gets thrown off sez you such an effect in humans has not been demonstrated in any controlled studies infant mice and other models are useful as far as they go but theyre not relevant to the matter at hand which is not to say that i favor its use in things like baby food a patently ridiculous use of the additive but we have no reason to believe that msg in the diet effects humans adversely glutamate and aspartate also an excitotoxin are necessary in small amounts and are freely available in many foods but the amounts added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be encountered in a ny single food wrong do you know how much aspartate or phenylalanine is in a soft drink milligrams worth compare that to a glass of milk do you know how much glutamate is present in most protein containing foods compared to that added by the use of msg by eating lots of junk food packaged soups and diet soft drinks it is possible to jack your blood levels so high that anyone with a sensitivity to these compounds will suffer numerous real physi9logical effects notice the subtle covering of her ass here anyone with a sensitivity were disputing the size of that class read olneys review paper in prog brain res 1988 and check his sources they are impecable there is no dispute impeccable there most certainly is a dispute steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer medicine re krillean photography in article c67g01 2j1 efi com alanm efi com alan morgan writes in article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alex vuse vanderbilt edu alexander p zijdenbos writes i am neither a real believer nor a disbeliever when it comes to so called paranormal stuff but as far as im concerned it is just as likely as the existence of for instance a god which seems to be quite accepted in our societies without any scientific basis oooooh bad example im an atheist this is not flame or abuse nor do i want to start another thread this is after all supposed to be about image processing but to say youre an atheist is to suggest you have proof there is no god to be a politically correct skeptic better to go with agnostic like me dr thomas trusk dept of cellular biology anatomy email to ttrusk its mcw edu medical college of wisconsin milwaukee wi 53226 414 257 8504 windows any utility that let you remap the keyboard under ms win any utility that let you remap the keyboard under ms win thanks for any pointer religion re the list of biblical contradictions critus windows re winqvt net v3 4 in article 354 lorien ocf llnl gov dave angmar llnl gov dave fuess writes an earlier article in this newsgroup made reference to winqvt net version 3 4 realy where i tried archie with no luck its probably just a typo not a typo it was uploaded to ftp cica indiana edu a couple days back but i sure would like to get one if its real as i too have a printer problem in winqvt version 3 4 uses standard windows printer drivers ashok ashok aiyar mail ashok biochemistry cwru edu department of biochemistry tel 216 368 3300 cwru school of medicine cleveland ohio fax 216 368 4544 baseball best record ever in baseball of all teams i believe the cubs have the best record ever in baseball sometime way far back 110 and something admiral steve c liu admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu commander in chief of the security division of the pi club earth chapter president of the earth chapter of the pi club founded april 1990 1993 world champions baltimore orioles why not series in the yards 1992 1993 stanley cup champions washington capitals committee for the liberation and intergration of terrifying organisms and their rehabilitation into society the only problem is that the abbreviation is clitoris from the polymorph episode of red dwarf the bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed this sig has been brought to you by frungy the sport of kings my god man drilling holes through his head is not the answer dr mccoy you know susanna hoffs has a really nice ass comment by m flanagan the pi club creating the largest signatures for the past nine months windows w4wg novell i installed windows for workgroups on my network and im having problems mapping drives in the file manager situation if i put lastdrive z in my config sys netx will run but i cant access drive f to log in to novell if i dont put lastdrive z in my config sys i cant access other w4wg drives from the file manager it seems that there should be a way to make netx work with the lastdrive statement in my config sys i would appreciate any help its probably an easy problem that all you windows gurus solved many many moons ago thanks tom bilan department of death by engineering surgeon generals warning michigan state university graduate school may cause brain bilan cps msu edu damage and sporadic loss of hair baseball re players rushed to majors in article 93122 hydra gatech edu re4 prism gatech edu russell earnest writes in article 1993apr15 145753 21557 holos0 uucp lbr holos0 uucp len reed writes in article c5hq3o g4p tss com hanson tss com hanson loo writes didnt bob horner go straight from arizona state univ to the atlanta braves i remember he had one great month hitting dingers and then the next i heard he was in japan a month well he did have a short career compared to what one might have expected for such a highly touted prospect due to being injury prone overweight and having no work ethic but he certainly did not suffer from being rushed to the bigs sorry len this is exactly how he suffered from being rushed to the bigs being overweight and having no work ethic leading to being injury prone with nothing to loose might have been corrected in richmond did you intend a smiley after your comment if i remember correctly which is always in doubt horners signing with the braves was contingent on starting in atlanta i think he could have gone back to arizona st for one more year if he hadnt signed anyhow the braves did try to send him to richmond once it lead to a week long walkout methinks horner had no work ethic before he was drafted and minor league play wouldnt have helped but his raw talent would have gotten him into the ml and it did keep him there for a while until he started falling on his wrists eric too lazy to update his sig roush religion hell in the king james version of the bible there are three differents words translated into the word hell these greek words have totally different meanings the words are hades tartaros and gehenna in bibical usage the greek word hades is used only 11 times in the new testament and is roughly the equivalent to the old testament word sheol meaning the grave or pit compare acts 2 27 with psalms 16 10 hades may be likened to a hole in the ground in the bible it has nothing to do with fire most modern bibical translators admit that the use in the english word hell to translate hades and sheol are an unfortunate and misleading practice why because when seeing the word hell many readers impute to it the traditional connotation of an ever burning inferno when this was never remotely intended in the greek language or in old english in its true bibical usage hades does indeed refer to the state or abode of the dead but not in the sense of spirits walking around in some sort of shadowy realm hades is simply the abode we call the grave all dead go to this hell the second hell of the bible tartaros is mentioned only once in scripture 2 pet 2 4 for if god spared not the angels that sinned but cast them down to hell tartaros and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment following their rebellion to unseat god from his throne isa 14 12 14 rev 12 4 the archangel lucifer now satan and a third of the created angels now demons were ejected from heaven luke 10 18 they were cast down to tartaros a place or condition of restraint that god has imposed on the mutinous angels as they await ultimate judgment jude 6 1 cor 6 3 tartaros then is a hell that applies only to evil rebellious angels or demons it is interesting that the ancient greeks used this word to describe the place in which zeus confined the rebellious titans nowhere in the bible is there any mention of men being put into this particular hell the the third word that is translated as hell in the bible is gehenna it comes from the hebrew gai hinnom meaning valley of hinniom hinnom is a deep narrow ravine located to the south and southwest of jerusalem in old testament times it was a place of abominable pagan rites including infant sacrifice it was there that the apostate kings ahaz and manasseh made their children pass through the fire to the god molech the rites were specifically celebrated in tophet the place of abhorrence one of the chief groves in the valley king josiah of ancient judah finally put an end to these abominations he defiled the valley rendering it ceremonially unclean 2 kings 23 10 later the valley became the cesspool and city dump of jerusalem a repository for sewage refuse and animal carcasses the bodies of dispised criminals were also burned there along with the rubbish fires burned continuously feeding by a constant supply of garbage and refuse aceldama the field of blood purchased with the money judas received for the betrayal of christ matt 27 8 was also in part of the valley of hinnom so what does this valley called gehenna have to do with hell in rev 19 20 the satan inspired political dictator and a miracle working religious figure the false prophet working with him will resist the re establishment of the government of god by jesus christ at his second coming their fate is revealed by the apostle john and the beast was taken and with him the false prophet these both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone where will this temporary lake of fire this hell be the prophet isaiah wrote of this lake of fire prepared for the beast for tophet in the valley of hinnom is ordained of old yea for the king it is prepared he hath made it deep and large the pile thereof is fire and wood the breath of the lord like a stream of brimstone doth kindle it isa 30 33 one thousand years later satan himself will be cast into this rekindled fiery lake where the beast and false prophet were cast rev 20 10 but what of the wicked who have died over the millennia does the bible say that they are now suffering fiery punishment for their sins in a lake of fire in the sequence of rev 20 the incorrigibly wicked are resurrected to be thrown into the lake of fire after satan is cast there rev 20 15 what will become of these wicked will they writhe in flames for eternity the wicked will be burned up from the intense heat of the coming gehenna fire on the earth they wil be consumed annihilated destroyed this punishment will be everlasting permanent and final the bible calls it the second death rev 20 14 21 8 from which there is no possibility of a further resurrection the bible does teach eternal punishment but not eternal punishing the prophet malachi provides a graphic description for behold the day cometh that shall burn as an oven and all the proud yea and all that do wickedly shall be stubble and the day that cometh shall burn them up 4 1 to the righteous god says that the wicked shall be ashes under the soles of your feet mal 4 3 gehenna was a place of destruction and death not a place of living torture jesus was talking to jews who understood all about this gehenna or valley of hinnom utter destruction by fire was complete nothing was left but ashes every text in the bible translated from this greek word gehenna means complete destruction not living torture not eternal life in torment the bible says in romans 6 23 the wages of sin is death not eternal life in torture the punishment revealed in the bible is death the cessation of life eternal life is the gift of god religion re new religion forming sign up alt religion spam medicine re my new diet it works great in article 1993apr13 093300 29529 omen uucp caf omen uucp chuck forsberg wa7kgx writes weight rebound is a term used in the medical literature on obesity to denote weight regain beyond what was lost in a diet cycle there are any number of terms which mean one thing to can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back the lost weight does not constitute weight rebound until it exceeds the starting weight or is this oral tradition that is shared only among you obesity researchers gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows re some info the dos msw meltdown is progressing nicely in 1993apr30 145427 11025 bert eecs uic edu zmola bert eecs uic edu carl zmola writes sombodys data is wrong since mac os finder systerm or whatever you want to call it doesnt appear in the first survey i tend to doubt their results more just because sombody wrote it doesnt mean its correct note that the two tables dont talk about the same population one is fortune 1000 companies favoring the platform as their primary application platform the other is sales to everyone not just fortune 1000 fortune 1000 companies dont do a lot of development with the mac as their top platform i would expect that that would explain the discrepancy insisting on perfect safety is for people who dont have the balls to live in the real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com i dont speak for others and they dont speak for me windows re good autoexec bat and config sys for windows 3 1 in article c6uf2d gz2 acsu buffalo edu kan mongwa mongwa acsu buffalo edu writes in article c6s2ux n0f acsu buffalo edu kan mongwa mongwa acsu buffalo edu writes do not load smartdrv sys if you are using stacker this applies for windows i replied why do you mean just use smartdrv exe in autoexec bat roger you answered quoting from windows setup txt under the section for using stacker for best performance do not use smartdrive to cache the compressed drive you only need to cache the uncompressed drive check it out for yourself i think it is important to clear up your first reply you gave the impression that you should not use smartdrive with stacker you are correct re caching the compressed drive however as i understand it you can cache the uncompressed drive thus if you have compressed your disk c you will have a c and probably a d drive under stacker c being the compressed disk which is just a large file on d and d being the uncompressed disk you should only attempt to stack d in fact with win 3 1 and smartdrv exe it seems smart enough to automatically default to stacking your a b and d drives roger medicine re food related seizures in article c5x3l0 3r8 athena cs uga edu mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu michael covington writes newsgroups sci med path news larc nasa gov saimiri primate wisc edu sdd hp com elroy jpl nasa gov swrinde zaphod mps ohio state edu howland reston ans net europa eng gtefsd com emory athena aisun3 ai uga edu mcovingt from mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu michael covington sender usenet athena cs uga edu nntp posting host aisun3 ai uga edu organization ai programs university of georgia athens references paulson 93apr19081647 cmb00 larc nasa gov 116305 bu edu c5uq9b lrj toads pgh pa us date fri 23 apr 1993 03 41 24 gmt lines 27 in article c5uq9b lrj toads pgh pa us geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article 116305 bu edu dozonoff bu edu david ozonoff writes many of these cereals are corn based after your post i looked in the literature and located two articles that implicated corn contains tryptophan and seizures the idea is that corn in the diet might potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder not cause it check to see if the two kellog cereals are corn based id be interested years ago when i was an intern an obese young woman was brought into the er comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures why attending a corn festival we pumped her stomach and obtained what seemed like a couple of liters of corn much of it intact kernals after a few hours she woke up and was fine i was tempted to sign her out as acute corn intoxication gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and how about contaminants on the corn e g aflatoxin michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi what is aflatoxin sharon sharon paulson s s paulson larc nasa gov nasa langley research center bldg 1192d mailstop 156 work 804 864 2241 hampton virginia 23681 home 804 596 2362 medicine med school admission hi all ive applied for the class of 93 at quite a number of schools 20 and have gotten 13 rejects 4 interviews and 3 no responses any one know when the heck these people send out their acceptance letters according to the med school admissions book theyre supposed to send out the number of their class in acceptances by mid march whats going on i am losing my sanity checking my mailbox every day also does anyone have some useful alternatives in case i dont get in i kind of looked into chiropractic and podiatry but they really dont interest me thanks felix the cat 0 0 the wonderful wonderful cat meow hoss panix com baseball giants tickets for sale im a season ticket holder and have a pair of s f giants tickets available for every game except opening day theyre located in lower reserved section 3 row 2 theyre two rows about 5 feet behind the mvp lower box seats that go for 17 25 apiece im selling my tickets for 25 pair heres the schedule for the next 8 weeks e mail me if youre interested note all times are pacific daylight savings time apr 28 new york 7 35pm apr 29 new york 1 05pm apr 30 montreal 7 35pm may 1 montreal 1 05pm may 2 montreal 1 05pm may 4 philadelphia 7 35pm may 5 philadelphia 1 05pm may 7 los angeles 7 35pm may 8 los angeles 1 05pm may 9 los angeles 1 05pm may 17 houston 1 05pm may 18 houston 1 05pm may 19 houston 1 05pm may 20 cincinnati 1 05pm may 21 cincinnati 7 35pm may 22 cincinnati 1 05pm may 23 cincinnati 1 05pm june 3 pittsburgh 7 35pm june 4 pittsburgh 7 35pm june 5 pittsburgh 1 05pm june 6 pittsburgh 1 35pm june 8 st louis 1 05pm june 9 st louis 1 05pm june 11 chicago 7 35pm june 12 chicago 1 05pm june 13 chicago 1 05pm june 21 san diego 7 35pm june 22 san diego 7 35pm june 23 san diego 1 05pm june 24 colorado 1 05pm june 25 colorado 7 35pm june 26 colorado 1 05pm june 27 colorado 1 05pm craig eid e mail address craige hpsad sad hp com medicine good book having been gone for 10 days im way behind on my news reading so many pardons if i am repeating something that has been said already i read a good book while i was away the antibiotic paradox how miracle drugs are destroying the miracle stuart b levy m d 1992 plenum press isbn 0 306 44331 7 it is about drug resistant microorganisms the history of antibiotics it is interesting written at a level which i think many sci med readers would appreciate which is it assumes an intelligent reader who is capable of understanding scientific concepts but who may not yet have been exposed to this particular information i e it assumes you are smart enough to understand it but it does not assume that you already have a degree in microbiology or medicine table of contents chapter 1 from tragedy the antibiotic age is born chapter 2 the disease and the cure the microscopic world of bacteria and antibiotics chapter 3 reliance on medicine and self medication the seeds of antibiotic misuse chapter 4 antibiotic resistance microbial adaptation and evolution chapter 5 the antibiotic myth chapter 6 antibiotics animals and the resistance gene pool chapter 7 further ecological considerations antibiotic use in agriculture aquaculture pets and minor animal species chapter 8 future prospects new advances against potential disaster chapter 9 the individual and antibiotic resistance chapter 10 antibiotic resistance a societal issue at local national and international levels includes bibliography and index i personally found that it made very good airplane reading rg ruth ginzberg rginzberg eagle wesleyan edu philosophy department wesleyan university usa religion re cults who keeps them going muttiah thistle ecn purdue edu ranjan s muttiah writes mr clinton said today that the horrible tragedy of the waco fiasco should remind those who join cults of the dangers of doing so now i began scratching my head thinking a bad sign dont the mainstream religions in this case christianity or the 7th day adventist in particular just keep these guys going isnt mr clinton condemning his own religion after all isnt it a cult too a good point what helps to keep such things going is the public attitude that one should have faith that some authority from on high should not be subjected to mere reason couple this with a variety of personality quirks mojor and minor mental illnesses and ego of would be leaders and you get all the variety of cults and religions that people subscribe to religion walter walter i tried several times in the past to communicate with you and susan but you ignored me and i dont honestly believe my letters were mean rather i thought they were thoughtful and compassionate but i see now what i should have seen then call me naive i give up on this group as my lord advised that if you are unwelcome in a city then brush the dust of your feet and go on if anyone cares about the topic they write to me direct if not well may god bless you as well bye to this group pax baseball re ive found the secret in article 1993apr15 161730 9903 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes why are the red sox in first place eight games into the season they already have two wins each from clemens and viola clemens starts again tonight on three days rest whats up are the sox going with a four man rotation is this why hesketh was used in relief last night clemens is going on his normal four days rest last pitched saturday hesketh only pitched one inning yesterday afternoon his first outing since an aborted 1 1 3 inning start 6 days before so he should be plenty rested to go in his expected turn this saturday as the 5th starter not that this is a good thing of course id like to see a well managed four man rotation with this team glenn waugaman digital equipment corporation littleton ma g waugaman nac enet dec com guns re that silly outdated bill was re koresh and miranda in article 1993apr14 165633 2170 cbnews cb att com lvc cbnews cb att com larry cipriani writes as for the move incident wasnt the mayor of philadelphia at the time black for the first move incident no bomb several members killed in gunfire circa 1978 the mayor was the very white frank rizzo for the second bomb included the mayor was wilson goode who is indeed black jim halat baseball vegas odds does anyone have a list of vegas odds for teams making the world series id appreciate a mailing thanks rickc corp sgi com cars re impala ss going into gm has always screwed the rest of the divisions in favor of the corvette the current platform is no exception the detuned camaro and firebird is a load of crap to keep people from realizing that they can buy one of these instead of a corvette and save about 10 000 i like the idea of an impala ss but if they really wanted to impress me they would throw in a big phat 454 imagine the cops in their taurus police package 3 0 and 3 8 litres as they stare at your taillights george howell m m ooo ppp aaa rrr mm mm o o p p a a r r m m m o o ppp aaaaa rrr m m o o p a a r r m m ooo p a a r r ford better living through american horsepower george howell george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org windows program manager kills my group files any clue some times when i enter win 3 1 progman says that i need to rebuild a group its quite annoying cars re choice of gauges in article c5ybo4 e5i vcd hp com dmunroe vcd hp com dave gauge writes if you had free reign to design your own instrument cluster which gauges would you choose to have beyond the basic set turbo boost is necessary if a turboed car fuel reserve warning coolant level warning it would also be nice to have a gauge that would cycle across the different sensors in the fi system such as o2 sensor altitude air flow id love to get tranny and diff brake temp would be great and a big ass tach sean from the labs of balderrama mitchell reifschneider and wahlstedt inc sean reifschneider ruler of the realm jafo accum com windows wrk installation oddity last night i tried to reinstall the utilities from the windows 3 1 resource kit disk the setup program appeared to run perfectly normally but when it had finished there was no program group created now i know ive done this before successfully and creating a group myself didnt exactly tax me but im curious as to what might be going on i can only assume that something left over from the last time i had it installed is getting in the way but i cant figure out what any clues anyone david eastwood sybase inc emeryville ca eastwood sybase com religion 24 apr 93 gods promise in proverbs 15 4 the tongue that brings healing is a tree of life but a deceitful tongue crushes the spirit proverbs 15 4 niv cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx the devil reincarnate ssave ole cdac com wrote i am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines v4 i dont know of any v6 legend mr3 mr6 v8 dont know of any v12 jaguar xjs please add to the list thanks s ssave ole cdac com guns re what to do if you shoot somebody in article 93108 025818u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes i have heard many opinions on this subject and would like to hear more from the people on the net say youre in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody you give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them my question is what do you do should you stay and wait for the cops or should you collect your brass if youre using a semi auto and get out of there provided of course you dont think that you have been seen as a data point from tennessee a friend of mine and a police officer essentially recommends that if you can fade away even if you were perfectly justified youre likely in for a great deal of hassle a side note carrying a gun concealed is a misdemeanor what kind of laws are on the books regarding this type of situation what would be the most likely thing to happen to you if you stayed and waited and it was a first offense what would happen if you took off but someone saw you and you were caught its one of those by state things pretty much david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al baseball re bonilla thf2 kimbark uchicago edu ted frank writes in article mjones 735273896 fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes quick name a light hitting black outfielder or 1b who lasted 10 years in the bigs i bet you can name two dozen white ones otis nixon stole 300 bases ok hes still light hitting but baseball managers dont think so they think he like omar moreno before him is a perfect leadoff man awesome defense well yeah on the other hand for the first few years of his career he looked like herb washington dan gladden doesnt seem to suck defensively either darnell coles hes still around because of his 1986 when he hit 20 hr yeah and how many of the white guys played one year into a long career its actually not an uncommon phenomenon and how long a guy hangs around based on one good year seems like a reasonable question to explore on a racial basis billy hatcher well see if hes still around in 1994 for his tenth year hey he plays for lou gorman doesnt he ok so its eight years ok i admit to taking a quick browse through the major league handbook but only after the first 7 or 8 oh and theres the all time light hitting black outfielder lou brock look it up and curt flood cesar geronimo cesar cedeno brock suffered from otis nixon disease but he wasnt perceived as light hitting neither was curt flood cesar cedeno was not light hitting good point on cedeno otoh i havent seen that extensive list of 10 year dan gladdens either there really arent that many players altogether who hang around for 10 years even if theyre reasonably good mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com may you live in interesting times chinese curse windows re why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse everyone seems to think that this mans mouse problem is mechanical its dirty i have been having a similar problem with my mouse and it only occurs when ru nning windows and therefore cannot be mechanical in nature im running a mouse systems compatible mouse on a 486 66 dx2 with a trident 1 meg video card and a m experienceing similar jumpiness as well as strange font subsitutions and mous e traces left on screen and windows gpf errors help windows videoblaster pc speaker software that comes together with the videoblaster is designed to work together with the soundblaster from the same manufacturer since i do not own a soundblaster is there a possibility to use the pc speaker driver to play audio files for the videoblaster avi audio video interleave files i think what i should have is a device driver for the media player that controls the pc speaker driver instead of the soundblaster card something like mcispkr drv has anybody heard of such a driver or am i on the wrong track any information on this appreciated please send e mail since i dont watch this group regularly v joerg meyer e mail j meyer informatik uni kl de o o university of kaiserslautern germany ooo u ooo this space for rent windows ati ultra pro drivers does anybody know the ftp site with the latest windows drivers for the ati gup thanks cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico bob excellent to the point and correct spread the word guns re batf fbi revenge in article 2077 rwing uucp pat rwing uucp pat myrto writes i am sick dismayed discouraged and ashamed of our administration it looks like the us now has their own little tienamen square the fbi is portraying korash as a psychopath doing a deliberate mass suicide etc possibly possibly not i dont believe that the tear gas used god bless america land of the free past tense well maybe i am overreacting but i see on the tv as i am typing where govt spoksewoman the new attorney general known to be almost rabid about private ownership of guns wants to ban assault guns and just about everything else is saying the fbi had amazing restraint then falls back into the official goverenment line about how the bd were guity of child abuse and were into it in an on going basis and so on am i having a vain hope that an honest investigation will occur on this thing or will it simply be whitewashed under the rug and business as usual will continue to be the order of the day in the new order who will be given the official title of thought police i wonder what a load of crap the bds had absolutely no right to fire upon the batf agents if they didnt know who they were at first then they should have surrendered immediately when they did realize who they were dealing with little groups of loonies do not get to decide just what laws they will obey or disobey or what sorts of warrants are justified like the rest of us they get their say at the voting booth and if their personal wants are not backed by the majority of voters then too bad if they wanted to keep automatic weapons then they could apply for the proper permits if they had a problem with the warrant then they get to argue that in court in no event do they get to establish their own little nation inside our own and pretend that our laws and law enforcement personel have no jurisdiction within their borders you live on us territory you live by us laws period unless you are a congressman sure the situation was handled badly by both the batf and the fbi it would have been all so easy to detain koresh and his core members while they were out in the streets of waco the batf threatened with budget cuts was trying for a propaganda coup and dragging the press along for the big commando style assault is proof of that they should be roasted for both their imcompetance and their mindset on the other hand they did have the legal right to do what they did once the attack was begun they should have pressed on and finished it rather than let an interminable situation like that take root the fbi also used poor judgement in a number of ways but again the laws we voters have approved or the lawmakers who created them gave them the right to do what they did if batf and the fbi are latter day gestapo it is because the voters have allowed them to become that way waco was pure americana militarist mentality religious fanaticism and unadulterated violence all rolled into one experience we get what we pay for or vote for and this was the result of many choices we have made over the years dont blame them blame ourselves we made them we are them windows re is anyone using video for windows my suggestion would be to contact microsoft about the video4windows sdk you would need to call developer services at 800 227 4679 extension 11771 from 6 30am to 5 30pm pacific time cars corvette car cover for sale im not sure if this made it out so ill try again i have an ecklars sp corvette car cover for sale the cover is canvas on the outside and felt on the inside it is weather proof and in great condition im asking 95 00 and ill pay shipping originally 175 00 in october of 1992 carl mercer cm cci com 716 359 0895 evening 716 654 2652 day baseball re why is barry bonds not batting 4th in article 1r93di car apple com chuq apple com chuq von rospach writes some folks like to argue about theoretical details i prefer to watch teams win when the giants slip to third then we can talk about how to re arrange the batting order until then i think its stupid to focus on whats wrong for the simple fact that its working as it is this is a fine strategy if you expect to run away with the division but the giants are going to need every break they can get if they want too hold that lead i dont think they can afford to be lackadaisical and say well it has worked pretty well so far and while we might be able to improve the results we dont think it is worth the risk mostly though the giants are winning and frankly as long as that continues its rather silly to second guess their strategy but evidently some folks would rather be right than be first the two tend to go hand in hand cheers valentine baseball babes pitching can anyone out there tell me babe ruths complete pitching stats i know he was 5 0 as a pitcher for the yankees but what were his numbers when he was with the red sox thanks in advance kris schafer hey sixers lottery pick lottery pick lottery pick go phillies give me beer or give me death lets pillage al bundy shoe salesman women cant live with them pass the beernuts norm barfly guns re some more about gun control in article 1993apr16 162447 26289 beaver cs washington edu graham cs washington edu stephen graham writes in article 1qicep obf transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1993apr14 232806 18970 beaver cs washington edu graham cs washington edu stephen graham writes re is john q public with a gun protected its worth noting that us vs miller sustained millers conviction of possession of an illegal firearm noting that a sawed off shotgun was not a proper militia weapon no they noted that no one had claimed that it was a proper militia weapon despite having been used in at least two wars this was true since neither miller nor his lawyer appeared before the court did they or did they not sustain millers conviction i dont have the text of the case handy miller was convicted of owning a sawed off shotgun and not paying the nfa 34 tax snatches of the courts decision the second amendment was intended to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such a force the militia it must be interpreted and applied with that end in view the militia includes all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense however regarding sawed off shotguns certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense judicial notice is the term of art here it meant that no such evidence had been formally presented this is different from claiming that they had ruled that it wasnt yes shotguns had been used in wwi the spanish american war and the us civil war that was not in question the possession of a sawed off shotgun was i e a weapon altered to improve concealibility im not talking about plain shotguns in war im talking about short barrelled sawed off shotguns in war compare revolutionary war blunderbusses luparas in the spanish american war and trench cleaners in ww i they were also put to good use by us soldiers in ww ii not to mention being invaluable to tunnel rats in vietnam but of course miller took place in 1939 therefore us vs miller supports limited government regulation of firearms dont go arguing down this road unless you are willing to abide by the consequences that you find at the end of it mainly that the law abiding common man has a right to own any weapon that has a militia purpose from handguns to sawed off shotguns and fully automatic weapons that in fact is what this decision says you are free to produce evidence that im not willing to abide with all the implications of this here is my quandary you seem to be arguing that certain types of guns fall outside the scope of the second this isnt a useful argument unless you believe that some significant gun or class of gun belongs in that class i think we both agree that zip guns probably arent protected maybe we also both agree that all the weapons that random state governments have been banning or trying to ban because they have no sporting purpose and no provate citizen would ever need these guns do fall under the protection of the second so given that damn near any gun of any practical utility is or has at some time been used by the military even if only for marksmanship training purposes i need to understand why you are intent on pressing this point arguing that that something is not protected by the second just because i dont whole heartedly endorse the nra position does not mean that i oppose the rkba this attitude is what makes the nra unpopular often what makes someone unpopular is what other people say about him how much did any of us fear or abhor the branch davidians six months ago how many of us feared or abhorred saddam hussein five years ago cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet baseball re jack morris all of roger maynards drivel deleted cordially as always maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time cant we just stick this guy in the faq and stop responding to him guys the last several flame wars with him have been pretty much identical could someone just collect all the articles from this one and simply re post the entire block whenever he tries to start one itd be simpler roger apparently is one of those embarassing specimens who enjoys flames why give him what he wants oh roger youre dull very dull you should get a new act tom cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico in article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu david g wonnacott writes im considering switching to geico insurance but have heard that they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim i was worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim i have also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident im interestend in determining whether or not these things are true has anyone out there with geico made a claim id be interested in hearing whether or not you were satisfied with the service and whether you then had trouble renewing your policy im also interested in any good or bad stories about liberty mutual or state farm geico supports reads gives to police laser radars they have been known to be very picky no sports cars no radar detectors although maryland insurance board over rules this consistantly no turbos basically it seems if you need to use your insurance ever they dont want you they once told me they wouldnt insure me perfect record because of my corvette even though it would be insured by another specialty insurance we must insure all the cars i think this rep didnt know what she was talking about geico is cheap but if you ever file a claim be prepared to be dropped i think in most areas two tickets will do it geico will never see a dime from me if i can help it state farm slighty higher than most but very good response not as picky as geico guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article nate 1507 735856109 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu nathan engle writes i admit i cant cite a specific but if there isnt a law against purchasing grenade components and assembling them into functioning units then perhaps we need one all second ammendment arguments aside im just not sure that i like the idea of private citizens with hand grenades are you aware you can make a grenade with gunpower and metal water pipes maybe we should outlaw hardware stores and ammo reloading are you aware that you can make a firebomb with gasoline etc justin ngai 8 pounds 2 ounces born 4 24 93 medicine adenocarcinoma of the lungs putting aside our substantial differences id like to ask the knowledgeable ones to give feedback on this let me explain one of my family members last week was discovered to have a brain tumor after having some difficulties with walking and writing she is 64 years old otherwise she is in fine health the discovery was made via cat scans she then had mri scans done where small cancerous areas were discovered in her lungs biopsies showed it to be adenocarcinoma one spot is in the lungs and another in the pneumothorax the oncologists believe the cancer started in the lungs and caused the brain tumor she smoked until four years ago anyway id like feedback as to what adenocarcinoma is how it is different from other cancers how she will be treated luckily the tumor is right below the skull and can be easily removed and statistically what are the chances for full remission recovery thanks jon noring charter member infj club if youre dying to know what infj means be brave e mail me ill send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 freds gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone 510 294 8153 chips worlds best livermore ca 94550 v mail 510 417 4101 who are you read alt psychology personality thats where the action is windows re is ms windows a mature os in article c5snbs j3h usenet ucs indiana edu comp os ms windows advocacy writes 1 you can not create hierarchy groups there is no way to create a group in a group if you know how please tell me get norton desktop put groups within groups groups on the desktop icons on the desktop etc chris ruckman ruckman oasys dt navy mil this sig brought to you by hull structures acoustics code 741 your local chevrolet bottler carderock division nswc windows re need iconized printer utility in article 93122 134439zhao auvm american edu zhao auvm american edu writes i am looking for a printer utility which stay in window 3 1 as an icon and let you drag a file to it to issue the printing you have one minimize the print manager and drag a file to it and it will print it you need to associate file extensions with such things as the notepad for it to do this though tony annese claebaur shell portal com or claebaur cup portal com windows re document of rtf in article 1993mar30 113436 7339 worak kaist ac kr tjyu eve kaist ac kr yu taijung writes does anybody have document of rtf file or know where i can get it thanks in advance i got one from microsoft tech support sterling g bjorndahl bjorndahl augustana ab ca or bjorndahl camrose uucp augustana university college camrose alberta canada 403 679 1100 baseball help looking for cleveland sports mailing list info im looking for the address to join the cleveland sports mailing list if anyone knows it i would be greatful if they could email a copy of it to me if you are a member just mail me one of the lists letters i could probably figure it out from there thanks mm mm fffff michael j fath m m m m f dept of microbiology and molecular genetics m m m fff harvard medical school m m f boston ma 02115 fath mbcrr harvard edu baseball re ottawa lynx info wanted cchb musict mcgill ca cchb writes 1 the current roster of the lynx someone on the minor league mailing list probably does 2 home game schedule of the lynx i do but i dont have time to type the whole thing in i dont mind looking up specific date ranges or individual games when i can but there are limits besides this stuff is easy to find baseball america puts out a book called the directory its 10 us has every teams data and schedule in it if i were to type in the whole scheudle id just be spending a lot of time infringing on their copyright folks who are interested in the minors should check out my minor league list see the signature and folks who are tracking down team schedules should chec out the ba directory you can order it from 800 845 2726 i find it indispenable chuq imho von rospach esd support training dal aux chuq apple com member sfwa editor otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request medraut apple com san jose giants a 1 9 san francisco giants fans giants request medraut apple com the stick not san jose sharks fans sharks request medraut apple com new seat 127 tbd baseball re quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb in article apr 5 16 22 48 1993 11331 pilot njin net gajarsky pilot njin net bob gajarsky hobokenite writes jayson stark i think thats him fits perfectly in this category could be there is a jayson stark that writes weekly for some press syndicate and also for baseball america anyone who writes dean palmer has 2 homers at this pace hell have 324 home runs should be shot if at the end of april he has 11 and anyone writes at this pace hell have 100 homers they shouldbe shot too stark has done this sort of thing but he has never been serious about it he usually states that this sort of projection is useless at the top of such columns i think he did it one season and some manager was projected to be thrown out of 60 games and some hitter could expect to be plunked 150 times stark does some really funny stuff his weekly baseball reviews are good collections of strange things that happened during the previous week he also regularly prints kinerisms lance cr2o3 2h2o smith moments after being named manager for the lsmith cs umn edu oakland as mr peanut was crushed by a special limited edition red headed loner wielding an aluminum bat r s bb signature murder at the mausoleum cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article c5hqj0 57 unix amherst edu bhtulin unix amherst edu barak h tulin gives forth i just started reading this thread today so forgive me if it has already been mentioned but what was the deal with renaults putting the horn on the left hand turn signal stalk it was a button on the end where the washer button would be on the wiper washer stalk could the frenchies not figure out the wiring through the steering wheel or what had an 83 alliance for a long time it was a comfortable but sluggish car i got very used to the horn on the stalk after a couple months worth of getting used to it after i bought my next car a chevy it took me for ever to get used to the horn on the steering wheel again jim grey jwg acd4 acd com up the irons cars apology was re did us drive on the left in a previous article dh3q andrew cmu edu daniel u holbrook says im guessing but i believe in the twenties we probably drove mostly down cattle trails and in wagon ruts i am fairly sure that placement of the steering wheel was pretty much arbitrary to the company at that time by the 1920s there was a very active good roads movement which had its origins actually in the 1890s during the bicycle craze picked up steam in the teens witness the linclon highway association 1912 or so and the us highway support act real name something different in 1916 that first pledged federal aid to states and counties to build decent roads also the experience of widespread use of trucks for domestic transport during ww 1 convinced the government that good raods were crucial to our national defense anyway by the 20s there were plenty of good roads at least around urban areas and they were rapidly expanding into the countryside this was the era after all of the first auto touring fad the motel the auto camp ground etc two good books on the subject spring to mind warren belasco america on the road title may not be exact author is and another called the devil wagon in gods country author i forget also any of john flinks or john bell raes auto histories im sorry as i have never heard of any of this guess they dont think its important enough for a classroom and i was going on what ive seen in pics some movies real nice scource there huh i just always recall thinking that good roads of asphalt didnt come around til the interstate hiway act or whatever they called it 60s and that wood and cobblestone roads were fairly rare up through the depression except in overpopulated places like england and us cities obviously netwisdom says i am wrong as to placement of the steering wheel being arbitrary by the early teens there were virtually no american cars that did not have the wheel on the left in the early days cars had the wheel on the left on the right and even in the middle as well as sometimes having a tiller instead of a wheel this was standardized fairly early on though i dont know why i knew it was almost always done but i knew of no reason that it might not be done the other way by desoto for their car seems like they had some other deviations from the norm too at times dan dh3q andrew cmu edu carnegie mellon university applied history world history strides on from catastrophe to catastrophe whether we can comprehend and prove it or not oswald spengler thanx for corrrecting me and again i aplogize for harebraned post drew cars vascar i know this is the wrong place to post this but i couldnt find any relevant newsgroups in my area for those of you who are from pa where is vascar where the cops measure your speed from the time it takes you to cross the distance between two white lines on the road right most commonly used im especially interested in the pittsburgh area specific locations prior experiences if possible for those pa and non pa if they use vascar in your state is it most common in rural city highway areas etc what im interested in mainly is where i can speed with the least risk of being caught you can always detect radar but theres no way to fight vascar unless you know where all the white lines are thanks a lot arun jayakumar cars re re aftermarket a c units les bartels comments sorry i cant help you with your question but i do have a comment to make concerning aftermarket a c units i have a frost king or frost temp forget which aftermarket unit on my cavalier and am quite unhappy with it the fan is noisy and doesnt put out much air i will never have an aftermarket a c installed in any of my vehicles again i just cant trust the quality and performance after this experience les let me add my 02 in i had a a c installed by the ford garage and it did not work as well as the a c that was installed by the factory in pickups identical to mine i have talked to other people that have had the same result dont know if this is just a probable with ford or what ernie smith i agree never have the dealer add anything to your car if you want a c make sure it is factory installed hondas maybe excluded many cant be bought with a c installed at the factory but i think maybe they actually use all the needed parts for a true factory install when they put one in as in bigger radiator etc or are designed properly for this in the 1st place anyway my point is the dealer installed a c wont be anywhere near as good as factory and the service bums will mess up your car when installing it scratches screwdriver holes in seats parts not reinstalled correctly or with all the screws etc i know a guy who has been service manager at a gm dealer for 18 years he said never have a dealer add anything to your car except maybe floormats baseball john wetteland derek lilliquist info please hi there i was wondering if anyone knew if john wetteland was put on the dl again after his first 15 day period was up i read in the usa today sports section that he is on for surgery to repair broken toe and was wondering if that was new i thought he was just letting it heal another question is derek lilliquist the main closer for the indians now that olin is gone i need to know cause i need to find a reliever to replace wetteland and so far lilliquist is doing ok any information on either of the players would be greatly appreciated thank you for your time ryan robin texas rangers in 1993 jose canseco for mvp ryan n robin 311 weatherford hall corvallis or 97331 1701 robinr prism cs orst edu baseball teams as organisms stats or stats was re jack morris note im not posting this as part of an argument with roger meynard but as an independent sort of thread i do actually quote some things that roger meynard wrote but it might be better to think of this as sampling his post in the hip hop sense because it fits in with what i want to say maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes but the point is that the only decision making pro cess used to determine the best is the score of the game and it re lates to the teams not the individual players there is no method inherent in baseball of comparing individual performances and that is how it should be because after all baseball is a team game theres an interesting parallel between this way of viewing a baseball team and some peoples conception of a biological organism in the biology context we would very likely read fitness for the score of the game and organisms for teams how we interpret players is trickier but either organs or genes might seem reasonable choices depending on what point we were trying to make a genes interpretation actually might be really interesting in this case but that would be a different and probably longer post if however we take the organ view then our knowledge of biology should make us pause before we start saying things like species x is more fit than species y because of a better organ z given what we know about the interdependence of organs we would often be suspicious of such claims but note that this type of argument is quite often made when you map species x onto humans and organ z onto brain on the other hand some statements of this kind do seem more reasonable than others as far as we can test them e g brain above might be more reasonable than pancreas assuming no gross pathology particularly if species y is a primate even when you make such statements you should be concerned with the functioning of the whole organism and the possibility that one organ might be more crucial for one species and a second organ in another not to mention the possibility that no organ is particularly crucial in some third species however if we are non vitalists with any kind of reductionsit streak we will want to say that an organism is not some completely magical unanalyzable whole but an intriguing process made up of various subprocesses that interact in ways that are potentially observable some of these processes might be localized to particular organs while others may be distributed across multiple organs in a way this is just like a baseball team except that i think it is pretty clear that the processes and interactions involved in baseball are much simpler and less numerous than in most organisms to say that one player is better than another is to be able to say ab solutely that player as team would have played better with player b in their lineup sheer speculation impossible to ascertain one thing that is quite difficult about baseball is that perfectly controlled experiments are sometimes very tough to do but of course this has never stopped researchers from doing the best they can and sometimes deriving very powerful conclusions even in the absence of certainty most of this goes far beyond sheer speculation but even sheer speculation can motivate further interesting research if you want to select a group of statistics and claim that clemens has done better than another pitcher with those statistics as a criteria then fine in this cases were seeing the word statistics means summary of observed events where the events themselves can be viewed as the output of some process and possibly inputs for other processes thus if we have any valid notion of how the processes are put together into the functioning organism data in the form of statistics might give us a basis to test particular hypotheses but you have to be able to prove that those statistics measure the individuals contribution to winning the ws because that is the only measure of best that has any meaning in the context of baseball this statement brings us back to the concept of fitness again fitness is defined in terms of both an organism and its environment you might be fit in one situation and not another moving to baseball it is clear that each team spends the entire season in an environment including all the other teams in the league in at least a nominal sense the division winners are the fittest teams in the league in that they on average had better fitness scores than any of their competing opponennts but in a real sense there is a fairly large random component in the performance of each team that is difficult if not impossible to account for in terms of factors intrinsic to or interesting for baseball the same is true in biology but here is also no direct biological equivalent of the world series in basebal in the world series the random component may be greatly magnified by the small number of games that are played and both teams suddenly experience huge changes from the environement where they were originally successful it might be fun to watch but its unclear what it all really means now just one more un related point i have yet to see that any of you can predict a ws winner with any greater accuracy than jeanne dixon on the other hand you have seen some of us who can predict the outcome of the divisional races better than a random assignment of teams to finishes and maybe some of us e g me who can do this better than the other participants in this forum on a regular basis but this is probably only due to the fact that a 162 game schedule gives you a little hope that bad hops arent the only difference between the winners and the losers moreover youve had the opportunity to see some analysis of the world series situation that makes the strong claim that nobody can predict the ws winner with reliably greater accuracy than a coin biased only to reflect the well known home vs road effect on winning percentage the stats are a nice hobby and thats about it there is no new knowledge being produced since stats are summaries of events its true that if you know the events you can derive the stats but if somebody is trying to understand the process behind the stats then the stats produce new knowledge and some of this might even be reliable repeatable and useful speaking of which i should get back to producing knowledge in a different field that is of course if i can produce knowledge even though im relying on stats to do it jking baseball re jewish baseball players i think you can add former as first baseman mike epstein no relation to the list ari religion lds ricks reply rick anderson replied to my letter with ra in article c5elp2 l0c acsu buffalo edu ra psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu robert weiss says ra ra well jason its heretical in a few ways the first point is that ra this equates lucifer and jesus as being the same type of being ra however lucifer is a created being thou wast perfect in thy ra ways from the day that thou wast created till iniquity was found in ra thee ezekiel 28 15 while jesus is uncreated and the creator of ra all things in the beginning was the word and the word was with ra god and the word was god the same was in the beginning with god ra all things were made by him and without him was not any thing made ra that was made john 1 1 3 and he is before all things and by ra him all things consist colossians 1 17 ra ra your inference from the ezekiel and john passages that lucifer was ra created and that jesus was not depends on a particular interpetation of ra the word create one with which many christians may not agree ra granted the mormon belief that all of gods children including christ ra and lucifer are eternally existent intelligences which were organized ra into spirit children by god the term creation can apply equally well ra to both of those passages just briefly on something that you mentioned in passing you refer to differing interpretations of create and say that many christians may not agree so what that is really irrelevant we do not base our faith on how many people think one way or another do we the bottom line is truth regardless of popularity of opinions also i find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created and eternally existent are equivalent you say granted the mormon belief you cant grant your conclusion and then expect the point to have been addressed in order to reply to the issue you have to address and answer the point that was raised and not just jump to the conclusion that you grant the bible states that lucifer was created the bible states that jesus is the creator of all the contradiction that we have is that the lds belief is that jesus and lucifer were the same ra your point that we all are brothers of jesus and lucifer is also ra heretical since we are not innately brothers and sisters of christ ra we are adopted for ye have not received the spirit of bondage ra again to fear but ye have received the spirit of adoption whereby ra we cry abba father romans 8 15 and not the natural children ra of god it is only through faith that we even enter the family of ra god for ye are all the children of god by faith in christ jesus ra galatians 3 26 and it is only through the manifestation of this ra faith in receiving jesus that we are become the sons of god but ra as many as received him to them gave he power to become the sons of ra god even to them that believe on his name which were born not ra of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man but ra of god john 1 12 13 ra ra has it occured to you robert that being born of someone or being ra of that person or person s family may be a symbolic term in the new ra testament mormons believe that we are adopted into the house of ra israel through baptism and faith in christ although some have expressed ra belief that this does evince a physical change in our bodies the mormon belief is that all are children of god literally there is nothing symbolic about it this however contradicts what the bible says the bible teaches that not everyone is a child of god the field is the world the good seed are the children of the kingdom but the tares are the children of the wicked one matthew 13 38 i speak that which i have seen with my father and ye do that which ye have seen with your father john 8 38 ye do the deeds of your father then said they to him we be not born of fornication we have one father even god jesus said unto them if god were your father ye would love me for i proceeded forth and came from god neither came i of myself but he sent me why do ye not understand my speech even because ye cannot hear my word ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do he was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him when he speaketh a lie he speaketh of his own for he is a liar and the father of it john 8 41 44 and said o full of all subtilty and all mischief thou child of the devil thou enemy of all righteousness wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the lord acts 13 10 wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world according to the prince of the power of the air the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience ephesians 2 2 in this the children of god are manifest and the children of the devil whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of god neither he that loveth not his brother 1 john 3 10 one becomes a child of god but as many as received him to them gave he power to become the sons of god even to them that believe on his name john 1 12 behold what manner of love the father hath bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of god therefore the world knoweth us not because it knew him not beloved now are we the sons of god and it doth not yet appear what we shall be but we know that when he shall appear we shall be like him for we shall see him as he is 1 john 3 1 2 when he is born again through faith in jesus christ which were born not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man but of god john 1 13 having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by jesus christ to himself according to the good pleasure of his will ephesians 1 5 of his own will begat he us with the word of truth that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures james 1 18 for as many as are led by the spirit of god they are the sons of god for ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear but ye have received the spirit of adoption whereby we cry abba father the spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit that we are the children of god romans 8 14 16 beloved let us love one another for love is of god and every one that loveth is born of god and knoweth god 1 john 4 7 whosoever believeth that jesus is the christ is born of god and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him 1 john 5 1 for ye are all the children of god by faith in christ jesus galatians 3 26 ra we are told that and this is life eternal that they might know ra thee the only true god and jesus christ whom thou hast sent ra john 17 3 life eternal is to know the only true god yet the ra doctrines of the lds that i have mentioned portray a vastly ra different jesus a jesus that cannot be reconciled with the jesus of ra the bible they are so far removed from each other that to proclaim ra one as being true denies the other from being true according to the ra bible eternal life is dependent on knowing the only true god and ra not the construct of imagination ra ra ra robert with all due respect who died and left you chief arbiter of ra correct biblical interpretation i dont mean to be snotty about this ra but the fact is that the bible is so differently interpreted by different ra groups of biblical scholars what do you think of the jehovahs ra witnesses for example that to make reference to the jesus of the ra bible is simply ridiculous whose jesus of the bible do you mean this is really a red herring it doesnt address any issue raised but rather it seeks to obfuscate the fact that some groups try to read something into the bible doesnt change what the bible teaches for example the fact that the jehovahs witnesses deny the deity of christ does not alter what the bible teaches looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great god and our saviour jesus christ titus 2 13 simon peter a servant and an apostle of jesus christ to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of god and our saviour jesus christ 2 peter 1 1 on the deity of christ we first look to the bible to see what it teaches to discount or not even address what the bible teaches because there are some groups that have differing views is self defeating to see what the bible teaches you have to look at the bible ra our lords mortality was essential to his own salvation the ra promised messiah p 456 he had to work out his own salvation by ra doing the will of the father in all things ibid p 54 he had ra to be baptized to gain admission to the celestial kingdom mormon ra doctrine p 71 ra ra welcome to the wonderful world of mormon paradoctrine robert the ra above books are by the late bruce r mcconkie a former general authority ra of the lds church those books were not published by the church nor do ra they constitute offical doctrine they consist of his opinions now ra does that mean that what he says is not true not at all ill have to ra think about the idea of christs personal salvation before i come to any ra conclusions myself the conclusions i come to may seem heretical to ra you but im prepared to accept that i find this rather curious when i mentioned that the mormon belief is that jesus needed to be saved i put forward some quotes from the late apostle bruce mcconkie the curious part is that no one addressed the issue of jesus needing to be saved rick comes the closest with his i have my own conclusions to addressing the point most of the other replies have instead hop scotched to the issue of bruce mcconkie and whether his views were official doctrine i dont think that it matters if mcconkies views were canon that is not the issue were mcconkies writings indicative of mormon belief on this subject is the real issue the indication from rick is that they may certainly be robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu guns re bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks in article c5wmp5 5u9 boi hp com jeffw boi hp com jeff waldeck writes where did you hear about the thermal imaging i havent heard this yet not that i doubt it im just looking for sources this was reported in canadian papers thursday 22 april i think the source was upi but dont recall for certain it seems to me that if they did have this kind of info they could broadcast it and it would resolve or at least help to resolve alot of doubt in peoples minds personally the way the fbi batf reno etc is claiming all sorts of things without offering one shred of proof other than their good word is very suspicious to me a picture is worth a thousand words i understand that at least two goverment investigations have been ordered so we may learn more during their hearings i sincerely hope you are right and it turns out with indisputable proof broadcast across our land that the government groups had nothing to do with the fire but until i see such proof i think it is just as likely that a tank did knock over a lantern as koresh torching the place the only evidence i have seen is a tank crashing through the front wall withdrawing and seconds later flames are seen the first flames on the video erupting from this very same spot coincidence perhaps tough call without more investigation but if the thermal imaging story holds up i think the government will be more credable of course paranoia fans wont believe their results anyway will they if such proof exists the government should publish it and put all this speculation to rest hear hear id also like to see the autopsy reports confirm news reports that multiple victims were found shot in the head and in positions inconsistent with fire victims it is simply too early to draw conclusions either way about this nasty incident but i tend to believe the government side the old frogs almanac a salute to that old frog hissef ryugen fisher 604 245 3205 v32 604 245 4366 2400x4 sco xenix 2 3 2 gt ladysmith british columbia canada serving central vancouver island with public access usenet and internet mail home to the holocaust almanac medicine re iridology any credence to it in article 9304261811 aa07821 dpw com jprice dpw com janice price writes i saw a printed up flyer that stated the person was a licensed herbologist and iridologist what are your opinions how much can you tell about a persons health by looking into their eyes its bogus see the sci skeptic faq i edit it you can diagnose some things by looking at the eyes glaucoma is the classic example but there are probably others iridology maps parts of the body onto the irises of the eyes by looking at the patterns striations and occasional blobs in the irises you are supposed to be able to diagnose illnesses all over the body the two questions to ask any alternative therapist are 1 how does it work 2 what evidence is there the answer to question 1 takes a little knowledge of medicine to evaluate i dont know about iridology but ive read a book on reflexology which is a remarkably similar notion except that the organs of the body are mapped onto the soles of the feet there are supposed to be channels running down the body carrying information or energy of some sort anatomists have found no such structures always beware the words channel and energy in any spiel put out by an alternative practitioner the answer to question 2 is rather simpler if all they have is anecdotal evidence then forget it ask for referreed papers in mainstream medical journals ignore any bull about the conspiracy of rich doctors suppressing alternative practitioners studies are done and papers are published some of them are even positive the word licensed in the flyer is an interesting one licensed by whom for what it is quite possible that the herbology is real and requires a license you can kill someone by giving them the wrong plants to eat and many plants contain very powerful drugs foxglove and willow spring to mind it is not clear whether the license extends to the iridology and i suspect that if you ask you will be told that it means licensed herbologist and iridologist btw the usual term is herbalist why use a different word paul johnson paj gec mrc co uk tel 44 245 73331 ext 3245 these ideas and others like them can be had gec marconi research is not for 0 02 each from any reputable idealist responsible for my opinions cars re warning please read in article 1qk7t5 dg armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes ejv2j virginia edu erik velapoldi writes what the hell is happening to this great country of ours i can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such but 20 pound rocks has our society really stooped this low you make it sound like this behavior is new it isnt a lot of pedestrian bridges have fencing that curls up over the sidewalk to make this kind of think a lot harder to do i dont understand the mentality myself but then again i couldnt figure out move im glad they bombed em or the waco wackos either i know that this isnt the group for it but since you brought it up does anyone have any idea why they havent bombed the waco cult just curious newsgroup list trimmed significantly jim frost jimf centerline com larry keys csmes ncsl nist gov oo 1990 2 0 16v fahrvergnugen forever the fact that i need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldnt understand anyway cars new mercedes diesels hi fellow auto enthusiasts does anyone have any info on the new 4 valve per cylinder diesels mercedes is working on any specs on outputs engine size will they be direct or indirect injection etc would be welcome from what i hear these should be out late this year next year thank you in advance for your replies harjeet hsk microplex com windows re more cool bmp files in article 1993apr17 023017 17301 gmuvax2 gmu edu rwang gmuvax2 gmu edu john wang writes hi everybody i guess my subject has said it all it is getting boring looking at those same old bmp files 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44do r o cx mv xoa2 ge2 t r 4 pa86 0g pa7 pupj lw lw cx2ocx cx i mh 07x2oa x 3 v5 7x 334u o g5 u d vye3g qx 3 s myu0k c5r lk rog d d d 0d 0d 6p 0el 0d p 0el 6w mrm3 2vvfrft el u 9 if j 1a2 a9qqg9qqaa5 qn q1u p81qg9v g m9qqg9v e lwbu w cy122 o2 t cb b hxd9p cb ba ok6ul o pl m pl plx mg9p b bz m 6r okz pl plx pl sbo pl pno mkr 6xyg9xz b z ok6um 6r 6um a 1qhs6g6k98 mm0 ftt tt r a35 o 9vuyxd4 35 g 4q k5 sy ky 86 4 m6 0s s15 k uaris4u p 4 qw 4 eh u18qw g 37e 0d p 0d m25 q r e 1l ax j y0g x5 45 22 o 4 q 4 o1te 45 1 m45m45 1 145 14 u145 145 l d em 3ym 6t 0em 6t u 34 1m m 3ym cx ft 0d g r g r g 6p 0d vpg r4e 24 y24047u m 3 y 3dy gdy 3d 3d 3dx 3dx 3dy 3dy 3dx7wdy 3dy 3dy 3dw 3d my 3dy 1p o7w i0g d 6w4u 2h 7 q s o o lq o u o m 34 6um 0d 85 a7 a85p pa4 a84ta30t 0g f g9v g9v g9v m0 ta5m45ma864 pdg x6 a33 vp 6t 0d 6um fum 1mu 0qu 34 mu w4 7ax o o l l l o ks o r o rlk p bzp k p j m o o4u 1m 0d 0e 145 14 o22 qcx esh q430t t s0g end cut here medicine should i be angry at this doctor am i justified in being pissed off at this doctor last saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife i took him to a local urgent and general care clinic at 5 50 pm the clinic was open till 6 00 pm the receptionist went to the back and told the doctor that we were there and came back and told us the doctor would not see us because she had someplace to go at 6 00 and did not want to be delayed here during the next few minutes in response to my questions with several trips to the back room the receptionist told me the doctor was doing paperwork in the back the doctor would not even look at his finger to advise us on going to the emergency room the doctor would not even speak to me she would not tell me the doctors name or her own name when asked who is in charge of the clinic she said i dont know i realize that a private clinic is not the same as an emergency room but i was quite angry at being turned away because the doctor did not want to be bothered my son did get three stitches at the emergency room im still trying to find out who is in charge of that clinic so i can write them a letter we will certainly never set foot in that clinic again mary ryan mryan stsci edu space telescope science institute baltimore maryland medicine re exercise hypertension in article 93084 140929rfm psuvm psu edu rfm psuvm psu edu writes i took a stress test a couple weeks back and results came back noting exercise hypertension fool that i am i didnt ask doc what this meant and she didnt explain and now im wondering can anyone out there enlighten and i promise next time ill ask probably she meant that your blood pressure went up while you were on the treadmill this is normal youll have to ask her if this is what she meant since no one else can answer for another person gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon religion re rw is robert weiss the only orthodox christian in article 1993apr23 170101 19708 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes so rick why not read the bible for yourself it is written in plain english decide for yourself it that would imply the singular yet there are many translations of the bible many of which differ in choice of wording and hence can lead to different interpretations btw have you also read the koran vedas etc plain english translations are available decide for yourself medicine re antihistamine for sleep aid in article 1993apr30 202808 19204 ux1 cts eiu edu cfaks ux1 cts eiu edu alice sanders writes but after you have taken antihistamines for a few nights doesnt it start to have a paradoxical effect i used to take one every night for allergies and couldnt figure out why i developed bad insomnia insomnia is a known but relatively infrequent side effect of diphenhydramine for most people this does not occur on the other hand most people can build up a tolerance to an antihistamine with extended use allergy sufferers are often switched from one antihistamine to another to avoid this steven litvintchouk mitre corporation 202 burlington road bedford ma 01730 1420 fone 617 271 7753 arpa sdl mitre org uucp linus sdl cars re manual xmission advice needed i dont think that a transmission fluid change will solve your problem unless you are in an extremely cold climate and using a very heavy weight fluid follow the manufacturers recommended oil weight some of the cars i have had all standard transmissions 4 or 5 speeds recommend changing the transmission fluid at 30 000 miles under normal driving conditions ive gone 100 000 without changing the transmission oil and had to replace the transmission bearings my older cars used 85 weight oil whereas my 92 honda uses 10 30 motor oil or maybe 30 weight cars clear coat woes is clear coat really worth it yes on the showroom floor the cars have this deep lustrous shine that just cant be found on paint jobs that arent clear coated on the other hand it seems that every clear coated car that ive seen on the road in a parking lot etc has fine scratches throughout the paint job as does alas my 1992 laser several weeks ago i had my car professionally polished and waxed when i picked it up it had that same showroom shine that i remember from a year ago when i bought it several days ago i took my car to the dealership for some work as an added bonus they washed my car unfortunately whoever washed it either didnt get the roof which is black the rest of the car is red completely clean before he dried it or he used a dirty towel now my showroom shine is a haze of fine scratches that arent really visible until the light hits the roof at a particular angle i am to put it mildy somewhat peeved about this do i have any chance of getting the dealership to do something about this my guess is no is there any product on the market that provides a solution to this problem or am i faced with the prospect of having the car professionally polished again to hide the scratches information commiseration and sympathy all greatly appreciated scott the dealership will never wash my car again borders sborders nyx cs du edu borders scott tandem com medicine re great post was candida bloom in article noringc5ygw1 f1m netcom com noring netcom com jon noring writes of course they are working on the theory that candida overbloom with penetration into mucus membrane tissue with associated mild inflammatory response can and does occur in a large number of people if you reject this yeast hypothesis then id guess youd view this research as one more wasteful and quixotic endeavor stay tuned i do not have enough medical expertise to have much of an opinion one way or another on hidden candida infections i can understand the skepticism of those who see this associated with various general kinds of symptoms while there is a lack of solid demonstration that this happens and causes such general symptoms to understand this skepticism one only needs to know of past failures that shared these characteristics with the notion of hidden candida infection there have been quite a few and the proponents of all thought that the skeptics were overly skeptical on the other hand i am happy to read that some people are sufficiently interested in this possibility spurred by suggestive clinical experience to research it further the doubters may be surprised it has happened before i realize that admitting ignorance in the face of ignorance may not endear me to those who are so sure they know one way or another and indeed perhaps some of them do know i am the one who is currently ignorant but i find this the most honest route and so i am happy with it russell cars re birds are they physics majors in c5pn2p l44 darkside osrhe uoknor edu operator writes crazy question anyone ever wonder how birds can drop a load on a car going over 65 mph i took a non stop trip got shitted on four times every time hitting the windshield not even the open sunroof guess we have conscientious birds was going 75 mph i used to have a 67 galaxie convertible was sitting at a light waiting for it to turn green it turned green but i hesitated a little sleeping i guess and a bird bombed me it landed directly in front of me at eye level i guess the bird miscalculated and thought i was going to take off right away and im still trying to figure out the one i got under my rear bumper as well was the bird flying up and doing fancy acrobatics at my car and decided to drop one while executing a perfect loop tt030 87 mustang gt george kirkaldie pioneer audio control gkirkaldie sanity tdkcs waterloo on ca phoenix gold kicker flowmaster motorsport cambridge ontario canada a t a r i baseball re young catchers in article 1qlnkninn2sh aludra usc edu sheehan aludra usc edu joseph sheehan writes most of the points you made about lopez v berryhill olson have been made by others and realizing that lopez must be the second coming of frank thomas i have relented and praised the unmistakeable wisdom of his supporters nope theyre baseball management possible the most short sighted collection of people in the nation do you not believe this goes on mark do you think frank thomas needed those three months in aaa in 1990 see this is essentially what everyone was doing comparing lopez to one of the best players in the game im really looking forward to seeing this cant miss superstar now as for thomas i remember being an advocate of his being brought up in 1990 even though he was only 21 or 22 cant remember but who did the sox have at first calderon martinez kittle the spot was there the talent was there sure i say go for it i am not convinced that lopez is anywhere near as talented as thomas was after his aa season in 1989 and i am not convinced that olson berryhill are nearly as bad as kittle martinez were btw i dont think thomas was hurt by those three months or cal eldred wasnt really better than ricky bones last year well if we cant compare our guy to one of the best in the game lets compare our decision to one of the most boneshead right cal eldred was 24 when he came up with a full season at aaa and a longer minor league career frankly i dont know why he didnt make the club in 1992 bones is a year younger with a lousy prior history and just watching him makes me think that i missed a career as a big league pitcher no one i repeat no one laughed louder than i did at the sheffield trade though i guess mieske has a future i take it back mcilvaine may have laughed louder youre mostly polite make defensible if flawed cases have wit and have in the past admitted being wrong that does qualify you on r s b well make an sdcn out of you yet aw gee shucks thanks guy except i missed the part where sdcns admit theyre wrong the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com cars re what car is this in article 1r3n32innk9p ctron news ctron com smith ctron com lawrence c smith writes in article 1993apr21 032905 29286 reed edu rseymour reed edu robert seymour writes in article 1993apr20 174246 14375 wam umd edu lerxst wam umd edu wheres my thing writes it was called a bricklin bricklins were manufactured in the 70s with engines from ford waitaminnit didnt the bricklin have an pugeot six cylinder or am i confusing it with the delorean i was sure the delorean had a v8 the delorean had the yucky prv v6 engine a joint venture between peugout note spelling renault and volvo prv this engine is a mighty boring piece of junk with approx 140hp doesnt like revs at all if you look at the delorean in the movie back to the future you will note that they changed the engine sound to a big v8 a real delorean doesnt sounds half as good you will also note that every time they have to spin the tires in the movie the ground is all wet this is because a delorean cant make a burnout on a dry road the weak engine thats mounted over the rear axle makes it almost impossible markus larry smith smith ctron com no i dont speak for cabletron need you ask liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want it is the freedom to do whatever we are able cars re warning please read in article 1993apr19 145238 9561 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu brian j queiser writes anything if he hadnt emptied his gun into the asshole texas its whole other country that reminds me of one of texass ads you hear a guy speaking in french like its a letter home then the french moves to the background and a french accented voice come to the foreground talking about how he went walking on the beach and it felt so much like home that he decided to take his shoes off and the rest of his clothes it ended with please send bail on an rec autos note does anyone carry a gun on them or keep one in their car which is bad idea isnt it if you work in a bad part of town or regularly go through one is this a loaded question i normally have an unloaded colt delta in my glove box with a loaded magazine handy which is perfectly legal in oklahoma for those times that im travelling inter state i keep an unloaded s w 44 magnum revolver in the glove box with a speed loader in my pocket which is legal everywhere under federal law illinois state police be hanged as ive said before this is stricly for defense my insurance will pay to replace my car but i only have one life james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven guns re clinton wants national id card aka ussr style internal passport in article 1993apr16 022926 27270 ucsu colorado edu fcrary ucsu colorado edu frank crary writes in article c5jif8 i4n boi hp com slack boi hp com david slack writes the idea of the card is bull in and of its self but im curious to know do they plan on making it a requirement to always have it on you or is it only going to be required to be presented when trying to ge medical aid this at least has already been determined the blue cross medical coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future national system to get emergency medical care anyone so insured must always carry their blue cross card before entering a hospital you must notify blue cross or they will refuse to pay your bills in an emergency where you must be treated before notifying them you must inform them within 24 hours or if you are unable to do so for medical reasons the hospital must failing to do so within 24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization in you need your card to notify them and without the card the hospital certainly wouldnt know they had to therefore you are required to carry the card at all times or do without emergency medical coverage frank crary cu boulder which works fine until you end up in the hospital because you were hit on the head and your wallet with your insurance card is stolen this happened to me and it took six months to sort the mess out these sorts of plans sound nice at first but in the end they just create a lot of paperwork and bureaucracy to deal with all the checking and filing they involve tom the non hacker tsmith seismo soar cs cmu edu the return address is set wrong send personal response to the above address cars bmws new plant in greer sc is anyone reading this message involved with the new bmw plant does bmw corporate even have a net connection desperately seeking info jeff hagen hagenjd ac wfu edu guns re guns gone good riddance from article 1993apr18 000152 2339 gnv ifas ufl edu by jrm gnv ifas ufl edu you are loosing there is no question about it of those who vote your cause is considered an abomination no matter how hard you try public opinion is set against the rkba only irrational fools such as yourself are set against rkba there are plenty of people who support it this is the end by the finish of the clinton administration your rkba will be null and void tough titty the government will be overthrown long before that happens a huge millitia composed of all available men and women who care about their country will defeat the forces of the evil klintonistas the people will prevail oh so you think armed citizens alone cant overthrow the government consider this do you think all law enforcement officials and members of the armed forces will turn against the people that they are entrusted to serve not hardly you can count on a lot of people in the army marines air force navy national guard police officers and so on joining in the cause to defend the liberties and freedoms of american citizens count on it the government will not be able to disarm everyone without starting a civil war you had better discover ways to make do without firearms the number of cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause there is nothing you can do about it those who live by the sword shall die by it the press is against you the public the voting public is against you the flow of history is against you this is it surrender your arms soon enough officers will be around to collect wrong again people will just hide their guns so these officers more like jack booted stormtroopers will not be able to find them them resistance is useless they will overwhelm you one at a time your neighbors will not help you they will consider you more if an immediate threat than the abstract criminal they will unless they are idiots they will realize that if they dont then they will be next including you believe me if what you describe happens they will be coming for more than guns disarming citizens would require that everyones cherished freedoms and liberties be suspended temporarily more likely theyd never be restored unless the people do something about it too fucking bad you have gone the way of the kkk violent solutions are passe avoid situations which encourage criminals then you will be as safe as possible such as it is scott kennedy brewer and patriot before david koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the bible through the barrel of a gun atf spokesman after the atf is a cheap thug who interprets the constitution through the barrel of a gun me windows re diamond ss24x win 3 1 mouse cursor don a b lindbergh meinte am 15 04 93 zum thema diamond ss24x win 3 1 mouse cursor da anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the diamond 1024x768x256 da driver sorry dont know the version of the driver no indication in the da menus but its a recently delivered gateway system am going to try the da latest drivers from diamond bbs but wondered if anyone else had seen this no not at all im using ss24x with bios 2 03 and driver from 13 januar 93 ive never had any problems with the mouse cursor is there already a newer driver published greetings sebastian beer gimme gummi lass die sau raus windows re searching for a phonetic font weidlich arb phys uni dortmund de weidlich writes im searching for a phonetic truetype font for windows 3 1 if anybody knows one please mail me thanks dw dipl inform dietmar weidlich ifado ardeystr 67 weidlich arb phys uni dortmund de d 4600 dortmund 50 phone 49 231 1084 250 dr b koennten sie das fax 49 231 1084 401 mal eben erledigen yes im looking for phonetic font s too so if you know one please mail me too thanks in advance patrick hudepohl vu amsterdam the netherlands cars re its a rush was re too fast in a previous article crh regent e technik tu muenchen dbp de christian huebner says brad buck viewlogic com bradford kellogg writes i think hes talking about a different form of rush evidently its fun to be terrified but hey if you want that kind of rush try bobsledding you may only get up to 80 or so but it makes 130 in a car feel like a stroll in the park why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph the only thing i fear going at 130 are drivers who switch to the left lane without using either rear view mirror or flashers doing 130 to 150 aint a rush for me but its fun and i get where i want to go much faster but in one point you are quite right if you are terrified at 130 you should better not drive that fast or youll be a hazard to others btw before you flame me read my e mail address i know what im talking about as i live in germany bk chris crh regent e technik tu muenchen de not a flame just a point id be scared at 130 here not because i feel i or my car couldnt handle it but because of exactly what you said drivers who are stupid like the ones who are doing 130 also and so they pull in right behind you at maybe 1 2 car lengths oh yeah real smart this scares me in cities at 50 when i cant see enough of the car to make it recognizable they are following too close and when i see them doing this and reading a newspaper sigh this is why america has 55 65 speed limits our drivers are too dumb to realise that reading the paper should be done at breakfast or work not in their car my thoughts drew baseball re dodger question the dodgers have been shopping harris to other teams in their quest for more left handed pitching so far no takers personally i think harris is a defensive liability and he has also led the team in past years for hitting into double plays or at least been among the leaders sharperson showed last year that if given a chance to play every day he can get the job done if sharpy played just one base every day say third hed also improve defensively wallach has helped tremendously on defense as has reed the improved defense is quite noticeable and is having an effect on the pitching staff both astacio and martinez were bailed out in recent starts by great defensive plays martinez pitched into the ninth in a game that might have seen him lifted in the third in past years astacio lasted 7 innings the other day under similar circumstances the dodgers are turning double plays and keeping more balls in the infield than last year and piazza has also been great on defense he has thrown out 10 of 14 batters trying to steal and has at least one pick off at first wallach clearly has contributed to the over all improvement on defense but his offense is awful and he has cost the dodgers some runs but i dont think he is as bad as his current average i suspect he will come out of this slump much as davis and straw seem to have come out of theirs dodger guns ohio legislative alert h b 287 ohio house of representative thursday april 8 1993 h b no 287 representatives seese davis batchelder amstutz t johnson van vyven wachtmann white di donato boggs logan to amend section 1531 01 of the revised code to add mourning dove to the game bird list and permit the chief of the division of wildlife in the department of natural resources to regulate the hunting of mourning doves and to make an appropriation this would allow the hunting of mourning doves in ohio and give the sportsman something they have been pushing for larry cipriani l v cipriani att com windows re is ms windows a mature os in article cyen 735139934 ponder jesse writes hi have you used mac system 6 x or 7 x if the answer is positive you would know if ms windows is a mature os this is silly is unix a mature os depends on who you ask and how you define mature system 7 is if anything less mature than windows 3 1 days ago people doubted that ms windows is not a real os i can see why they have such question ms windows confuses many people microsoft simulated mac but it did a lousy job for example 1 you can not create hierarchy groups there is no way to create a group in a group if you know how please tell me so why do you need something like behierarchic to create groups under the apple menu everyone knows that apple menu items are a ripoff of the program manager if you want a hierarchic program launcher there are lots available 3 uncomplete documentation its not easy to find the reason why causes an unpredictable error and this is easy on a mac give me a break having spent hours moving system extensions around and restarting the mac to see why a certain app crashes all the time i find this laughable 4 group deleting file deleting after deleting a group users have to use file manager to delete files but if users forget to delete some related files the disk will be full of nonsense files oh great ever hear of aliases wonder why apple implemented them 5 share problem once you create two windows doing compilation and editing in some language w o good editor there will be a sharing problem you just can not open or save the program if it is loaded it makes sense to prevent from saving but not opening eh i dont follow its by no means easy to satisfy everybody but if microsoft want to keep their reputations they should evaluate the user interface more carefully before products distribute why is it that i find the mac desktop incredibly annoying whenever i use it no flame please yeah right you post flame bait yet ask for no flames iskandar taib the only thing worse than peach ala internet ntaib silver ucs indiana edu frog is frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubacs baseball re jewish broadcasters was jewish baseball players lets not forget al michaels of do you believe in miracles fame jim cars re choice of gauges if im going to drive on a public road then i need a speedometer and an odometer helps for navigation my 1965 chevy has a bare minimum engine temp and oil press warning lights and a fuel gauge my 1983 vw has tach water temp voltmeter and oil temp gauges if i had a turbo car id want a vacuum manifold boost gauge an oil pressure gauge is a nice reassuring gauge to look at if my car was air cooled then i would substitute a cyl head temp gauge for the water temp gauge a few years ago i looked at the audi quattro si coupe that bobby unser used to win the 1986 pikes peak hill climb the gauge layout from left to right top to bottom was speedometer fuel tranny press temp differential water temp temp big orange tach oil press warning light oil temp boost oil press alex amiller almaden ibm com cars re mazda rx7 parts jc whitney their number is 1 800 541 4716 they are based in chicago il in case you need to call dir assistance their prices are more down to earth than any other source for car innards outers they will send you a free catalog neeraj windows re windows on a ramdrive help f langleyrh ccsvax sfasu edu writes stuff deld for bandwidths sake why sigh if you dont have more than 16mbs of memory using a ramdrive with windows is a waste of memory windows will access upto 16mb ram better as memory as to why what you did didnt work it is because driveletters and paths are stored inside the group pif ini files all of the sudden things went from drive c to drive e however if you wanted to copy an application up to the ramdrive and re setup it up that should work normally but as previously stated this will only hurt things unless youve got more than 16mbs of ram and are using whats above 16 as the ramdrive i personally have 20mbs of ram and run a 4mb ramdrive with a great deal of success however if you are looking to speed up windows the three things ive noted that work the best are 1 a graphics accellerator card 2 a co processor even an emulator helps 3 some other disk cache besides smartdrive ive tried several and lightning for windows and norton cache give me major headaches as well i think the purpose the original poster was trying to serve is to avoid the significant amount of disk access that windows does on startup its like its trying to its bit in wearing the damn drive out i estimate its only reading a mb of programs data but from the performance the drive gives it sounds like they are scattered all over the drive my drive is however regularily compressed what is it that takes so much fuss perhaps if ms would take the trouble to optimize this startup process less people would be wanting to find a solution themselves medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article szikopou 734725851 cunews szikopou superior carleton ca steven zikopoulos writes in 1993apr13 144340 3549 news cs brandeis edu reynold binah cc brandeis edu susan reynold w out the s writes i think the scientists are biased towards the food industry or something was the article long would anyone be interested in posting it a neuroscientist told me that msg is used as a neurotoxin thats right some labs use it to kill neurons in mice and rats vitamin a and i think vitamin d in strong enough amounts can kill the key words are dosage and exposure mechanism kenneth ng please reply to ken blue njit edu for now all this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting on someones table j l picard st tng medicine what is the medical term for this sensation dear netters maybe one of you can explain this from time to time i experience a strange kind of feeling i have all kinds of weird feelings which can be best described as the feeling of losing gravity like that one experiences in a descending elevator needless to say it is not enjoyable it sometimes comes with shortness of breath and extreme fatigue it lasts from a few minutes to an hour and when it lasts that long it makes me sweatening initially i called it palpitation spelling until i later learnt that the terminology has been reserved for the self awareness of heart beats so is there a specific term for this feeling or am i a stragne person i always believe i am unique thanks ping cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time parr acs ucalgary ca charles parr writes my top 10 list of dumbest automotive concepts ever 9 back up lights on corvette theyre on the sides of the car sure would be interested to know what year s this was i dont seem to recall any car with back up lights on the sides much less any corvette i suppose i could be mis interpreting what you are trying to say here just a quick comment backup lights mounted on the side would actually be extremely useful for people backing out of parking stalls while i cant think of any corvettes with side mounted backup lights i know that saab started using them about 15 years ago my 1975 saab 99 didnt have them but a friends 1978 saab 99 certainly did in addition to the confentional tail light mounted backup lights they had another set integrated into the front turn signal assembly for those of you who dont remember saabs of that vintage had an enormous multicoloured plastic growth about the size of a national geographic magazine sticking out of the front fender which incorporated amber parking lights amber side marker lights reflectors white cornering lamps like american luxury cars aimed towards the side of the road when you have your turn indicators on and white backup lights aimed towards the back of the car when you have selected reverse gear the glossy brochure showed how these front mounted backup lights were useful for illuminating hazards pot holes kids toys etc that would be run over by the front of the car if you had the wheels turned while backing up mart l molle computer systems research institute university of toronto toronto canada m5s 1a4 416 978 4928 cars is this a good price hi everybody i will buy a honda civic ex coupe the dealer ask 12 750 for it including a c installed but not including stereo tax registration fees i live in mexico so i dont have time to go to a lot of dealers and compare their prices the dealer is in mcallen tx is this a good price for that car if not how much should i pay for it please e mail asap if you dont want to post thanks a lot orlando pugliese opuglies mtecv2 mty itesm mx orlando pugliese n instituto tecnologico y de estudios superiores de monterrey depto de informacion academica monterrey n l mexico 83 58 2000 ext 4113 religion re silence is concurance for those missing the context of this thrilling discussion between jim and i jim wrote the following to me in e mail after i pointed out that he jim had taken a quote out of context in t r m robert weiss writes a promise from psalm 9 10 gee since you wouldnt be at all hypocritical you must be really busy arguing against these out of context extracted translations he directed a similar accusation of hypocrisy again based on a lack of response to an article by robert weiss toward stephen i pointed out that i did in fact agree that both robert weiss and jim meritt took quotes out of context hence i find it difficult to understand why jim thinks i am a hypocrite needless to say i dont have time to reply to every article on t r m that takes a quote out of context i asked jim the following so according to you jim the only way to criticize one person for taking a quote out of context without being a hypocrite is to post a response to every person on t r m who takes a quote out of context jim replied by saying did i either ask or assert that but today we find four articles from jim one of which has the subject silence is concurrence m23364 mwunix mitre org james meritt writes is it not the case that in the eyes of the law when someone is aware of something and has the capability of taking action and does not that individual may be held responsible for that action which is of course a complete red herring taking quotes out of context isnt a crime i dont have time to read every article on t r m and im certainly under no obligation to reply to them all does silence is concurrence imply that jim thinks that because i didnt respond to weiss articles i must condone weiss taking quotes out of context jim doesnt want to give a direct answer to this question read what he has written and decide for yourself but back to the context of my conversation with jim jims next gambit was to claim that he was using inductive logic when he concluded that i was being a hypocrite i challenged him to provide the details of that logic that led him to an incorrect conclusion today we find another obscure article posting it twice didnt help make it more clear jim titled inductive logic scenario a white goose waddles past the door a white goose waddles past the door a white goose waddles past the door repeat an uncountably large number of times a black goose waddles past the door an individual hits it with an axe 1 given that the population of geese is uncountably large and the size of the confidence interval for the decision is undetermined under what conditions could a decision upon the behavior of the individual towards white geese be made 2 if only black geese are observed to be axed is it not a valid question to be concerned with the different behavior between black and white geese more red herrings could jim mean that he has read an uncountably large number of my articles could jim mean that because i axed his articles but not weiss articles he wants to conclude inductively well i cant see where he is going with this but i can help him with his induction ive written roughly 80 articles since january the vast majority of them are discussions with frank decenso and other inerrantists where i take the position that they are making bad arguments some are discussions with jim meritt where i take the position that he is making bad arguments a straw man argument earlier and taking quotes out of context more recently think hard about this jim see the pattern think harder run it through your induction engine and see what pops out dj guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors as quoted from nate 1504 735838830 psygate psych indiana edu by nate psygate psych indiana edu nathan engle what did those people do wrong in the first place that is what i cant figure out they assembled a frightening arsenal of weapons by circumventing laws which were intended to prevent such a buildup then later they used some of those weapons to kill representatives of the federal government im sure they were frightened when they saw all those batf officers closing in but in retrospect i cant see how their subsequent gunfight could be expected to improve the situation what laws did they circumvent being frightening isnt a crime some people are afraid of young black males that doesnt make the mere status of being a young black male a crime the batf itself admitted leading off by throwing handgrenades there is no evidence that they properly identified themselves as law enforcement personnel under those circumstances other persons have been found to be acting within their legal rights to exercise self defense against unidentified armed intruders at this point i place little or no credibility on any of the charges of child abuse or molestation but i would remind you that the branch davidians arent the only ones burying their dead the charges are irrlevant anyway since the batf has absolutely no jurisdiction in such matters anyway of course that hasnt stopped them from making other such spurious charges such as the existence of mythical meth labs of course they whole cult thing indicates the level of contempt that they have for the 1st amendment sure they were crazy no dought about it but what did they do wrong they attempted to stage an armed resistance to federal authorities under conditions that placed dozens of unarmed and innocent people in the line of fire that armed resistance at least initially may well have been legal youre like a bunch of over educated new york jewish aclu lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in arkansas holly silva windows teacher for windows nt we are searching for one or two instructors for tutorials on advanced windows programming under nt if anyone has attended a course that was very good we would really appreciate recommendations please email me directly at paller fedunix org i dont get to see these newsgroups often enough thanks in advance for any help alan paller tutorials director cars re warning please read in article 1r1d62 d6s agate berkeley edu bh anarres cs berkeley edu brian harvey writes rfelix netcom com robbie felix writes how about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local agencies to help children seniors the homeless hear hear thanks robbie you also dont read that much about violence against teenagers such as george bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed iraqi 17 year olds who were trying to surrender with bulldozers on the other hand i think it is true without singling out teenagers for blame that violence is more socially acceptable than it used to be those of us whod like to discourage violence have plenty of work to do with people of all ages well this isnt the right group for this but i have to say that i dont think violence is any more socially acceptable now by any means how can you say that when we used to have of pistol toting gunslingers as heros or even gangland thugs being considered romantic do you think our great grandparent got yelled at by their parents for playing cowboys and indians i dont think so that behavior was somewhat encouraged back then in fact i think the only difference between now and then is that nowadays when some teenager kills another one in a classroom in california we here about it in ma the same day back in the old days theyd never hear about something like that period sorry about posting to rec autos but this is where it came up 85 mustang gt bob pitas ush 14 13 99 8 bpita ctp com up at ned epping nh cambridge ma geddy lee in yyz disclaimer these opinions are mine obviously since they end with my sig religion re cults who keeps them going in article sbuckley 735337212 sfu ca sbuckley fraser sfu ca stephen buckley writes muttiah thistle ecn purdue edu ranjan s muttiah writes mr clinton said today that the horrible tragedy of the waco fiasco should remind those who join cults of the dangers of doing so now i began scratching my head thinking a bad sign dont the mainstream religions in this case christianity or the 7th day adventist in particular just keep these guys going isnt mr clinton condemning his own religion after all isnt it a cult too bad thoughts these well it depends on whether you take the literal dictionary definition of cult and say all faiths are cults or if you take a more social context view of cult which allows you to recognize mainstream religions as socially acceptable and cults as groups that involve techniques of brain washing and all the other characteristics that define oppressive probly not the best word cult behaviour my understanding of the academic use of the word cult is that it is a group of people oriented around a single authority figure it need not be religious however i have seen plenty of religious cults including some that mainstream eric windows re hp deskjet 500c try using laser printer copier paper it works quite well and is cheaper than hpspecial paper thomas a smith ii youngstown state university chemistry dept ad960 yfn ysu edu medicine re anti viral herbs kxgst1 pitt edu kenneth gilbert writes unfortunately it was rather poorly researched and would not be available today if it were just invented keep in mind however that those were the days when a bottle of coca cola really did contain coca extract and a certain amount of active cocaine times have changed and our attitudes need to change with them well yes that was a part of my point aspirin has its problems but in some situations it is useful ditto stuff like licorice root taking anything as a drug for theraputic purposes implicitly carries the idea of taking a dose where the benefits are not exceeded by any unwanted additional effects taking any drug when the potential ill effects are not known is a risk assumed by the parties involved and it may be that in a given situation the risk is worthwhile like prozac for instance prozac has been shown to be theraputic in some cases where the tri cyclics fail but prozac hasnt been in use that long and it really isnt clear what if any effects it may have when taken over long periods of time even though it has been tested by present day standards should prozac be taken off the market because long term effects if any are not known imho id say no euclid kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine pittsburgh pa kxgst1 pitt edu dammit not a programmer kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine pittsburgh pa kxgst1 pitt edu dammit not a programmer euclid k standard disclaimers apply it is a bit ironic that we need the wave model of light to understand the propagation of light only through that part of the system where it leaves no trace hudson nelson university physics cars new break pads exhausts after 96k km 60k mi on 90 maxima hi maybe someone can help me here i am looking to buy this 1990 nissan maxima gxe for cdn 14000 right now the car has 96000 km or about 60000 miles on it a typical mileage for 1990 cars seem to be about 70000 km or about 43k mi the seller just informed me that when he brought the car in for certification he was told that the front break pads and the exhausts had to be replaced to meet the legal standards he said he will replace the components before selling the car to me being copmletely ignorant to the technical stuff on cars i dont know what this could mean is 96k km about the time typical for replacing the above mentioned items or is this an indication that the car was abused would other things break down or have to be replaced soon the seller told me that he used the car on the highway a lot but i dont know how to verify this ive seen the paint chipped away in tiny dots in the front edge of the hood though although the maxima is an excellent car and the car is very clean and well kept its currently out of warranty a similarly priced 90 accord with 70k km will have 2 years or 30k km worth of warranty left and i dont want to worry about paying for any repair bills but i also need a car for 5 people when will the new maxima come out by the way i would very much appreciate your input in this please reply by e mail preferred or post in this newsgroup thanks ryan ryan kim university of toronto eecg computer graphics rkim eecg toronto edu do not weave between traffic cones at road works from the new british highway code toronto star april 3 1993 baseball re neon deon sanders braves giants in 1r28f6 79f zippy telcom arizona edu r4938585 joplin biosci arizona edu doug roberts writes does anyone else out there not like deon i think hes all hype his 300 season last year was good but im not convinced that he can do it again it reminds me sorry of the year 1987 when tim wallach hit 30 or so homers and had 127 rbi it never even came close to happening again of course maybe i just prefer guys who go about their business and dont play it up for the attention just my ho tim wallach can be explained with the rabbitball deion can be explained as learning how to play the game im not betting that deion will be able to play as well as last year but i think the odds of deion playing as well or better than he did last year are better than the odds of otis nixon doing the same thing when you factor in defense otis was more valuable last year but im not convinced hell be more valuable this year and especially next year dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball cars re sho clutch question grinding noise in article c5h6f8 ldu news rich bnr ca jcyuhn crchh574 nosubdomain nodomain james yuhn writes thats not the clutch youre hearing its the gearbox early shos have a lot of what is referred to as gear rollover noise you can generally i have one of the first shos built and mine doesnt make this noise baseball mlb standings and scores for sat apr 17th 1993 mlb standings and scores for satruday april 17th 1993 including yesterdays games national west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road san francisco giants 07 04 636 6 4 won 2 04 01 03 03 houston astros 06 04 600 0 5 6 4 won 1 01 03 05 01 atlanta braves 06 06 500 1 5 5 5 lost 3 04 03 03 02 los angeles dodgers 04 07 364 3 0 4 6 won 1 01 03 03 04 colorado rockies 03 06 333 3 0 3 6 lost 1 03 03 00 03 san diego padres 03 07 300 3 5 3 7 won 1 01 04 02 03 cincinnati reds 02 08 200 4 5 2 8 lost 4 01 03 01 05 national east philadelphia phillies 08 02 800 8 2 lost 1 05 01 03 01 pittsburgh pirates 07 03 700 1 0 7 3 lost 1 03 02 04 01 st louis cardinals 07 03 700 1 0 7 3 lost 1 04 02 03 01 new york mets 05 04 556 2 5 5 4 won 1 02 03 03 01 chicago cubs 05 05 500 3 0 5 5 won 2 02 02 03 03 montreal expos 05 05 500 3 0 5 5 won 2 02 02 03 03 florida marlins 03 07 300 5 0 3 7 lost 1 02 04 01 03 american west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road texas rangers 06 03 667 6 3 lost 2 04 02 02 01 california angels 05 03 625 0 5 5 3 lost 1 03 02 02 01 chicago white sox 05 04 556 1 0 5 4 won 2 02 03 03 01 minnesota twins 05 04 556 1 0 5 4 won 1 02 02 03 02 oakland athletics 04 04 500 1 5 4 4 lost 2 04 02 00 02 seattle mariners 04 05 444 2 0 4 5 lost 2 03 02 01 03 kansas city royals 02 08 200 4 5 2 8 lost 1 01 05 01 03 american east boston red sox 07 03 700 7 3 lost 1 03 01 04 02 new york yankees 06 04 600 1 0 6 4 won 1 03 01 03 03 detroit tigers 05 04 556 1 5 5 4 won 3 03 00 02 04 toronto blue jays 05 04 556 1 5 5 4 lost 1 04 02 01 02 cleveland indians 04 06 400 3 0 4 6 won 1 03 01 01 05 baltimore orioles 03 06 333 3 5 3 6 won 2 01 02 02 04 milwaukee brewers 02 05 286 3 5 2 5 lost 4 00 02 02 03 yesterdays scores idle teams listed in alphabetical order national league american league new york mets 3 chicago white sox 9 cincinnati reds 1 boston red sox 4 florida marlins 3 california angels 1 houston astros 9 baltimore orioles 4 philadelphia phillies 1 kansas city royals 3 chicago cubs 3 minnesota twins 4 10 colorado rockies 2 seattle mariners 0 montreal expos 3 detroit tigers 5 pittsburgh pirates 4 toronto blue jays 1 los angeles dodgers 7 cleveland indians 13 atlanta braves 0 texas rangers 3 san francisco giants 1 new york yankees 5 st louis cardinals 1 oakland athletics ppd san diego padres 5 milwaukee brewers rain joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers medicine re burzynskis antineoplastons in article jschwimmer 123 735362184 wccnet wcc wesleyan edu jschwimmer wccnet wcc wesleyan edu josh schwimmer writes any opinions on burzynskis antineoplastons or information about the current status of his research would be appreciated burzynskis work is not too promising none of his a 1 through a 5 antineoplastons have been shown to have antineoplastic effects against experimental cancer the nci conducted tests of a 2 and a 5 against leukemia in mice with the result that doses high enough to produce toxic effects in the mice were not effective in inhibiting the growth of the tumor or killing it these were in 1983 and 1985 burzynski claims that a 10 is the active factor common to all of a 1 and a 5 something which he has not shown a 10 has only been extracted from a 2 he also hasnt shown that a 1 through a 5 are actually distinct substances the nci conducted a series of tests using a 10 against a standard panel of tumors that included different cell lines from tumors in the following classes leukemia non small cell and small cell lung cancer colon cancer cancer of the central nervous system melanoma ovarian cancer and renal cancer a 10 exhibited neither growth inhibition nor cytotoxicity at the dose levels tested it is necessary to process a 10 since it is not soluble burzynskis theory requires soluble agents but this basically hydrolizes it to pag which he calls as 2 5 pag is not an information carrying peptide something which byrzynski claims is necessary for antineoplastic activity as 2 1 also derived from a 10 is a 4 1 mixture of pa and pag pa also not a peptide can be purchased at a chemical supply houses for about 0 09 a gram a 10 is chemically extremely similar to glutithamide and thalidomide both of which are habit forming and can cause peripheral neuropathy the nasty effects of thalidomide are widely known in spite of this similarity a 10 does not appear to have been tested for its potential to induce teratogenicity or peripheral neuropathy many of burzynskis statements about the origin of his theory early research past and present support by others for his work have been shown to be untrue sdb sdb ssr com cars re warning please read in article 1993apr22 093956 is morgan com sergei is morgan com sergei poliakoff writes from sergei is morgan com sergei poliakoff subject re warning please read keywords brick truck danger date thu 22 apr 1993 13 39 56 gmt in article 1993apr20 223113 21666 voodoo ca boeing com tomm hank ca boeing com tom mackey writes in article c5joit e31 bcstec ca boeing com neil bcstec ca boeing com neil williams writes a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away they caught the 14 year old that did it they put a cover over the overpass what else could they do execute the juvi on the grounds of the reformatory required attendendence by the rest of the inmates as soon as possible after the incident and a quick sure trial i am quite serious cause and effect nothing else will ever make a dent this will not work hitler youth newark teenager car stealing epidemics student riots and other similar cases show that death is not a behaviour shaping or even intimidating factor for teenagers teens defy death i is a strong deterent to the teens that are executed they wont do that again this policy cuts way down on repeat offenders please do not flame me i dont agree with capital punishment for teens as far as rock throwing is concerned well it is very sad and tragic most of these incidents stem from the fact that these kids are dumb even smarter ones completely lack deductive thinking and cant foresee the consequences of their actions beyond immediate ones unfortunately dumbness and cars whizzing at 80 mph make an explosive mix they are also unsupervised with proper supervision they would not be throwing rocks if parents cannot provide the minimal supervision needed to stop this activity they should not be allowed to have children notice the smiley however i hardly believe there was intent to kill in most of these cases rather desire to see the shattering glass i admit i was mercilessly attacking moscow busses with a slingshot in my tender years akin to a child breaking toys i witnessed several even more endeavouring projects like stacking up bricks on a railroad track technical details of such a venture completely dominate the possibility of a human tradegy heck when you are 10 you have a vague concept of human tradegy in a mind of a youngster im quite sure that technical challenge of matching and predicting speed of a thrown stone so that it gets the car smack in the windshield completely occupies the teen not leaving much room for other considerations sergei ron stafford texas instruments incorporated 214 917 2050 p o box 655012 ms 3620 stafford lobby ti com dallas texas 75265 3620 medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr16 194316 25522 ohsu edu tong ohsu edu gong tong writes in article 1993apr16 155123 447 cunews carleton ca wcsbeau alfred carleton ca opirg writes for cites on msg look up almost anything by john w olney a toxicologist who has studied the effects of msg on the brain and on development it is undisputed in the literature that msg is an excitotoxic food additive and that its major constituent glutamate is essentially the premierie neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain humans included too much in the diet and the system gets thrown off glutamate and aspartate also an excitotoxin are necessary in small amounts and are freely available in many foods but the amounts added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be encountered in a ny single food by eating lots of junk food packaged soups and diet soft drinks it is possible to jack your blood levels so high that anyone with a sensitivity to these compounds will suffer numerous real physi9logical effects read olneys review paper in prog brain res 1988 and check his sources they are impecable there is no dispute dianne murray wcsbeau ccs carleton ca in order to excitotoxin effects of msg msg that in blood must go through blood brain barrier that i am not sure msg can go through or not elevated levels of glu and asp in the blood are able to bypass the blood brain barrier through the circumventricular organs or cvo in particular the adeno and neurohypophysis pituitary gland areas the arcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus and the median eminence regions are particularly effected cvo areas are not subject to the blood brain barrier these areas control the release of gonadotropin which controls the release and flux of steroids governing development especially sexual development changes in adult rats which are less sensitive to glu than humans have been observed after ingesting glu on a chronic basis cycles of several steroids are disrupted blood levels of somatostatin are significantly reduced and cyclic release of steroids becomes flattened hope this helps dianne murray wcsbeau ccs carleton ca windows re leaking memory resources in 3 1 dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu daniel mittleman writes this may be an faq if so please direct me to the known answer but i am getting frustrated and looking for help i am running win 3 1 with ndw 2 2 on a 486sx with 8 meg of memory and a 6 meg perm swap file and am getting exceedingly frustrated that my applications are not giving back system resources when i close them many lines deleted danny daniel david mittleman danny arizona edu 602 621 2932 danny while working on my shareware toolbar i found myself eating resources and a very wise person pointed me to the sdk and specifically the debug kernel once you have all the sdk stuff installed this also comes with vc you run n2d which does a normal to debug swap the debug kernel runs c o n s i d e r a b l y slower but you then execute the command dbwin and let it report to you what is going on you are going to find out a lot more about your apps than you cared to and possibly about other peoples apps is that opa im sorry if this doesnt make sense repost or e mail me dave dave campbell at wynapse wynapse wynapse indirect com the shareware custom control source baseball dennis martinez whats up i know theres been a lot of talk about jack morris horrible start but what about dennis martinez last i checked hes 0 3 with 6 era is the ageless wonder finally showing his age does he usually start off the season so slowly i know he plans to start tonight i hope he comes around i would appreciate any feedback concerning outlook on rest of dennis martinezs season thanks in advance mike guns re bill blame america first clinton strikes again jeddi next06pg2 wam umd edu anheuser busch writes this argument sounds very stupid if the ability to make guns from simple metalworking was easy then drug dealers would make their own wouldnt they why spend hundreds of dollars buying a gun that somebody else made cheap and is selling it to you at an exorbitant markup the simple truth of the matter is that regardless of how easy it is to make guns banning guns will reduce the the number of new guns and seriuosly impede the efforts of a killer intent on buying a weapon to show why the tools argument is the silliest i have ever seen take an analogy from computer science almost every computer science major can write a wordprocessor yet we comp sci majors would willingly pay 3 to 400 bucks for a professional software like wordperfect why dont we just all write our own software because it is highly inconvinient same with guns secondly how does one get this gunpowder for the home made gun take a quick trip to the local 7 eleven if guns were really that simple to make the bosnian muslims would be very happy people or is it the case that metalworking tools are banned in bosnia deep sarcasm well this is my two cents i will now resume reading all these ridiculus post from people who must make their living doing stand up comedy end of forwarded material and so the rubber spheroid arced beneath the brilliant lights headed for a hoop of dreams hed dreamt of all those nights the crowd gasped as the ball descended would it grant their fondest wish there was no doubt in caseys mind he knew it was a swish baseball my 1993 predictions i thought id post my predicted standings since i find those posted by others to be interesting sorry this is after opening day i certify that these were completed before the first pitch al east 1 new york yankees the most only improved team in this division 2 toronto blue jays stewart and morris no way 3 milwaukee brewers they always seem to do better than i expect 4 baltimore orioles pitching but devareaux anderson and hoiles will drop 5 cleveland indians still dont seem to know what they are doing 6 detroit tigers all key players but fryman are another year past peak 7 boston red sox any team with clemens and viola might be beter than 7th al west this division was the toughest for me to pick whoever of the top 4 gets pitching should win it 1 minnesota twins young pitchers seem to have best chance for success 2 texas rangers i dont know why i have them here jose canseco 3 chicago white sox frank thomas but no pitching 4 oakland as larussa is the best manager and would keep any team close 5 seattle mariners i like pinella but dont see much here 6 kansas city royals will score no runs 7 california angels will win no games nl east 1 montreal expos good all around plus no wallach 2 st louis cardinals jeffries whiten jose clark no galarraga 3 pittsburgh pirates youngsters will take up more slack than expected 4 new york mets some good players still not a team 5 philadelphia phillies they dont impress me 6 florida marlins they know what theyre doing 7 chicago cubs they dont know what theyre doing nl west the 2 best teams in baseball are in this division 1 atlanta braves awesome starters but offense could be a concern 2 cincinnati reds would not surprise me if they won it all 3 houston astros any team that signs uribe wont contend closer to 4 than 2 4 san diego padres plantier could be the sheffield of 1993 5 los angeles dodgers better pitching than the giants 6 san francisco giants because the rockies just stink 7 colorado rockies will become the seattle mariners of the nl nlcs montreal d atlanta braves fans yes im probably contradicting what i said in my nl west comment alcs new york d minnesota world series new york d montreal hating the yankees will be fashionable again nl mvp barry bonds or maybe mcgriff nl cy young jose rijo al mvp frank thomas will deserve it again but fielder might win it al cy young roger clemens at least will deserve it again david kenney kenney tribe b17d ingr com baseball call for votes dtbl mvp and cy please vote the regular season of the 1992 93 davis tabletop baseball league has just come to an end to help us with next years league i would appreciate it if you would take a couple of minutes and vote for our league mvp and cy winners these awards and players standings in them will inflate their salaries for next years league please vote for 5 in each category in order for example 1 barry bonds 2 frank thomas 3 biff pocoroba 4 shooty babitt 5 lips lundy please do not vote for pitchers in mvp voting for this league each team in the league gets one candidate for mvp and one for cy defensive position is listed where applicable along with an abbreviation of their performance there e excellent v very good a average p poor b very poor thanks please reply by april 10 for the record the season was 144 games long thanks for your help mvp candidates name g ab h 2b 3b hr r rbi bb k sb cs ibb ba obp slg def griffey 124 338 99 27 0 16 44 64 39 50 0 0 16 293 362 515 8 p emartinez 139 562 176 55 3 14 85 87 44 77 14 5 6 313 359 496 5 a sandberg 137 559 163 35 6 20 100 102 64 67 4 1 2 292 360 483 4 v ventura 144 562 161 32 0 9 83 59 80 61 0 1 3 286 374 391 5 e mcgriff 148 533 150 25 1 33 89 98 102 132 0 3 20 281 398 518 3 p mcgwire 138 487 134 31 1 34 108 104 128 100 0 3 38 275 425 552 3 e ralomar 127 515 159 23 8 5 85 34 70 67 54 11 1 309 389 414 4 p dykstra 144 582 157 27 1 3 94 60 65 67 89 20 3 270 339 335 8 a butler 137 534 158 13 13 1 82 50 83 69 13 19 0 296 386 375 8 b deer 119 425 103 26 1 33 66 75 44 141 1 3 2 242 311 541 9 v bonds 145 465 143 39 4 33 128 101 187 62 23 5 68 308 502 622 7 e hrbek 129 423 112 21 0 12 62 52 80 77 1 0 2 265 380 400 3 p jgonzalez 135 543 121 17 1 38 59 85 28 146 0 0 2 223 259 468 8 b some players missed time due to injuries others were sat down at the end to avoid the possibility of injury there are better players than those on this list but each team gets one and only one candidate some players played more than 144 games due to being traded to teams with more games left in the same time span now on to the pitchers name era g w l s ip h bb k hr gs cg sho wp dmartinez 3 01 30 15 8 0 209 1 173 76 124 12 30 2 0 2 dibble 0 80 37 0 2 25 33 2 21 8 46 1 0 0 0 0 rijo 3 40 26 13 7 0 177 1 175 56 133 12 26 5 1 5 mussina 2 92 29 15 7 0 206 2 167 46 119 15 29 3 1 2 benes 3 24 28 14 9 0 194 1 172 53 127 13 28 4 1 1 khill 2 93 27 16 7 0 196 2 144 64 166 20 26 8 3 1 smoltz 3 62 28 11 11 0 186 1 177 66 158 9 28 6 1 7 cone 3 46 28 14 7 0 197 2 152 103 193 10 28 7 1 5 drabek 2 79 29 13 10 0 206 2 166 55 131 16 29 4 0 2 tewksbury 3 28 25 12 8 0 172 2 168 36 64 8 25 4 2 1 clemens 2 94 31 16 11 0 223 1 198 71 178 13 31 17 2 1 tomlin 2 48 28 12 5 0 196 0 172 42 97 8 27 1 0 2 farr 0 81 38 4 1 17 55 1 28 25 38 1 0 0 0 0 there you have it curt schilling threw a perfect game during the year and ken hill threw a no hitter rob dibble had pitched 32 scoreless innings to start the year only to choke in the last two games to cost the perots giant sucking sounds a playoff spot if you want stats of more players they are available by request please take the time to reply if you can thanks gary huckabay kevin kerr the al feldstein of the mid 90s a living argument for if theres anything we love more than a huge existence of parallel sig its someone quoting 100 lines to add universes 3 or 4 new ones and consecutive posts too o o ooo ooo david zavatson mein schatz es ist soweit unsere liebe ist vorbei guns re ban all firearms as quoted from 1993apr14 184448 2331 gnv ifas ufl edu by jrm gnv ifas ufl edu firearms tend to fall into this low dollar pound area it would not be economic to smuggle them in that depends only on the profit of doing so the differences in cost of production will determine local vs smuggle would have to be local there are not all that many people who have both the skill and motivation to assemble worthwhile those of us who have actually made semi autos full autos are easier are getting quite a giggle out of this id estimate that 5 of the people at my high school couldnt do it i was one of the few who failed shop people who have actually seen me do mechanical work would probably say that 1 is more like it starting with even 90 of the population you can be sure that enough people will be motivated firearms from scratch high ranking crime figures could obtain imported uzis and such but the average person and average thug would be lucky to get a zip gun and would pay through the nose for it how much is through the nose after all we know quite a bit about how much a gun is worth to a criminal so if that is dwarfed by the price demanded by the bad part of that 90 the relevant economic analysis has been made the profit of gun crime is high enough that the price required to push criminals out of the market is high enough that everyone will be motivated that analysis ignored some improvements in the criminal gun market that could make them even cheaper theyre not efficiently used now but a loaner set up would drive the value still higher without affecting criminal use andy religion re davidians and compassion in article c5slas b68 blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu ken arromdee wrote in article sandvik 190493200420 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes so we have this highly christian religious order that put fire on their house killing most of the people inside we have no way to know that the cultists burned the house it could have been the batf and fbi we only have the governments word for it after all and people who started it by a no knock search with concussion grenades are hardly disinterested observers theres another point to be made those who have been inside burning houses know that if they want to stay alive its better to run out from the building we had one case where an fbi agent had to drag out a women from the burning house she run back in when she saw the forces arriving it is a good indication of the fanatical mind that the followers had including having they children burned instead of saving these innocent victims of the instance cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net windows when will nt be ready when will i be able to call my favorite mail order software shop and buy nt jeff dragovich dragovic cevax ce uiuc edu guns re atf burns dividian ranch update ah yes i see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork to defend the burning of the children probably drooled all over themselves while watching the tv coverage probably had a few like that in nazi germany as well oh yeah atf fbi now claims according the the media that there are a few survivors the number seems to vary minute by minute cars re dirty diesels i wouldnt want anyone to make kindling out of my front living room wall and then drive their diesel powered m 60 tank into it shooting super hot soot all over my curtains and that freshly made kindling in other words please dont flame me yup ill have to answer for this one cars mgb questions my son is considering the purchase of a 71 mgb which has been substantially restored the odometer has rolled over but we cant be sure of the actual mileage the engine and drive train apparently werent touched in the restoration except for a new carb and a few hoses he plans to do vacuum and compression checks to see what they might tell us about the engine the body and undercarriage have no visible rust the interior is new as are tires front brakes not sure about the back battery bumpers and other misc parts the paint is checked in a few places and scuffed here and there allegedly by a wind blown car cover it seemed to handle ok except for soft front shocks questions are there problem areas common to mgbs we should check out the brakes seem soft and rather ineffective what should we expect in the way of braking action it seemed to be doggy when accelerating from a stop what should we expect it to do given the 4 cylinder engine the top is in place but will not reach a number of the snaps the weather was cold should the vinyl stretch and fit when it warms up or is it forever shrunk is it normal for the wire wheels to be painted or are they usually chromed given this rather limited description what would be a reasonable price gee this turned out to be a little long sorry while my brother once owned an xk120 jag what a car were obviously not into sports cars any help with these questions or suggestions on other things to investigate would surely be appreciated phil truesdale truesdal david wheaton edu medicine re cant wear contacts after rk prk in article 1993apr16 063425 163999 zeus calpoly edu dfield flute calpoly edu infospunj dan field writes i love the faq the comment about contact lenses not being an option for any remaining correction after rk and possibly after prk is interresting why is this does anyone know for sure whether this applies to prk as well ive had prk i would suggest asking a doctor about contacts mine said yes to contacts i think the scars from rk would preclude contacts also why is it possible to get a correction in prk with involvement of only about 5 of the corneal depth while rk is done to a depth of up to 95 why such a difference i thought the proceedures were simmilar with the exception of a laser being the cutting tool in prk i must not be understanding all of the differences no rk makes radial cuts around the circumference of the cornea up to 8 i think and these change the curvature of the cornea through stress chages prk vaporizes burns away a thin layer from the front of the cornea making the optical axis of the eye shorter the laser doesnt cut in prk it vaporizes in rk the eye is cut into in the faq the vision was considered less clear after the surgery than with glasses alone if this is completly attributable to the intentional slight undercorrection then it can be compensated for when necessary with glasses or contacts if they can be worn afterall it is important to know if that is not the case however and some other consequence of the surgery would often interfere with clear vision the first thing that came to my mind was a fogging of the lense which glasses couldnt help would not help i find my vision is more clear for some things and less clear for others only at night i notice a definite haloing at night in the darkness when i look at automobile headlamps though this is not something i spend inordinate amounts of time doing for ordinary things my vision in particular having a fully operating peripheral vision is clearer than with glasses or contacts le jojo fresh n clean speaking out to the way you want to live today american all american doing a bit so and even more so windows re hot key for switching to the program manager from article 1993may15 091822 14174 lth se by knut tts lth se ake knutsson in win 3 1 one may assign hot keys for the program items within the program manager how about the program manager itself is there one already or is there some way to assign one put progman with the hotkey in your startup group should do it zi baseball re dave kingman for the hall of fame in article c5jbse kkk news udel edu philly ravel udel edu robert c hite writes are you for real how many gold gloves does ozzie smith have if a guy hung around and hit 30 homers a year for 15 years wouldnt he be a given for the hall is defense not just as important frankly no offense and defense are equally important but the pitcher is 80 of the defense the primary role of every other player is on offense even shortstops are a bigger part of the offensive game than of the defensive game they might not do much with their part of the offense but thats another issue that being said i think both smith and yount deserve the hof they hit pretty well in addition to their defense cheers valentine religion re whos next mormons and jews capser before you deceive everone into thinking that the latter day saints have undergone undue persecution through the years for just believing in their religion perhaps you would like to tell us all what happened in the mountain meadow massacres and all the killings that were done under the blood atonement doctrine at the command of brigham young why dont you tell us tony im sure what you think you know adds up to a lot more than what casper has doesnt it frustrate you to consider how many intelligent thoughtful people you have prepared for the mormon missionaries with your rant the more you talk the better we look nothing makes the truth look better than a background of falsehood sic em tony john w redelfs cj195 cleveland freenet edu all my opinions are tentative pending further data religion objectivity was after 2000 years this discussion on objective seems to be falling into solipsism eg the recent challenge from frank dwyer for someone to prove that he can actually observe phenomena someones even made the statement that science is subjective and that even atom are subjective this is getting a bit silly and the word objective is losing all meaning lets start by remembering the definition of objective which has been already presented objective adj 1 of or having to do with a material object as distinguished from a mental concept 2 having actual existence 3 a unenfluenced by emotion or personal prejudice b based on observable phenomenon the objectivity of a thing is not based on whether everyone agrees on that thing eg the world is objectively round regardless of the fact that there exist flat earthers but rather whether it is based observable and verifiable phenomenon instead of being based solely on peoples wishes feeling mental processes etc thus atoms being based on very observable and repeatable phenomenon are indeed considered to be objective rather than subjective even weird high energy physics is based on observable phenomenon even though that observation can change the outcome nor are those observable phenomenon affected by emotion or personal prejudice eg chemical reactions do not change to the whims of different people thus to say that science is not objective ie objectively verifiable is a bit silly as that is the point of science now i will agree that science is not objectively good i will not thereby conclude though that science is not objective now some examples things which are objective a d 12 tractor is larger than the average breadbox chlorophyll is green seawater contains salt there exists ozone in the atmosphere at least presently ozone blocks ultraviolet light ultraviolet light increases the incidents of skin cancer good on the other hand is a value judgement it doesnt seem to have an existence apart from what we give it unless someone can objectively show the existence of an omnipotent entity which has defined good we cannot quantify it touch it or collect it in any concrete sense eg i have a bag full of good now we do sometimes attempt to give the word good an objective meaning e g good has been used to denote strength resiliency speed etc that though is a subjective definition as some might not see strength and etc as necessarily good eg strength inspired by naziism is not generally viewed as good as to a morality i cannot say that i have ever seen a morality strictly based on verifiable observable phenomenon the closest i have seen is some form of the golden rule which concludes that it is best not to deliberately piss people off as they will likely then involve themselves in your life in a manner you wont like this is verifiable when you get in someones face they will often retaliate another objective fact about morality is that a more powerful group can enforce their morality on a weaker group and thus can at times ignore that form of the golden rule without fear of reprisal now as to whether this enforcing of morality is good or bad is quite subjective by the way remember that subjective does not mean that a thing cannot be formally stated or even commonly agreed upon it only means that that it is not verifiable from observable phenomena or has a physical existence unto itself also note that i have not stated that there is no such thing as an objective morality or that i could not accept any such a morality i have simply stated that i have seen no evidence of any such morality one other thing to notice objective is many times used as synonymous with true and or absolute and subjective sometimes has the connotation of false and or relative taint necessarily so for instance when a conclusion is based on objective but insufficient evidence then it can be both objective and false as to absolute it is easy to note that while we can objectively show that tnt is explosive but that does not absolutely mean that all tnt will explode and thus objective is not necessarily absolute either on the other hand something subjective can also be either absolutist or true for instance there are some theists who are specifically absolutist in their morality even though they have only subjective evidence to back it up further many a scientist and detective has been motivated by subjective reasons eg a gut feeling or hunch to investigate a phenomena or situation and gather the objective evidence necessary to support a true hypothesis on the whole though i would have to agree that objective evidence is much more trustworthy than subjective evidence later dave butler in starting any thesis it seems to me one should put forward as ones point of departure something incontrovertible the expression should be simple and dignified diogenes cars toyota coralla 1988 fx for sale 1988 toyota corolla fx am fm radio nothing else low mileage 28 000 i ride my bike to work dark blue good condition only 3800 i am leaving the country for a year and must sell this great city car call renee fecteau 408 924 5171 leave message do not email to this account windows winnls dll i tried to install a foreign language windows application that required a file named winnls dll i checked all of my windows 3 1 installation disks for this file but could not find it does anybody have any idea what this file is for and where one could get it from guns waco inside story ap was re atf burns fbrown seaway ssd kodak com frank brown 726 0415 writes this is the ap story from fri morning as the walls came tumbling down and tear gas filled the air cult leader david koresh sprang into action he left his third floor bedroom and began looking around the house making sure women and children were secure and checking that everyone had their gas masks on properly within hours the compound became an inferno nine branch davidians excaped this is their story gleaned from lawyers who spoke with six of them who are jailed on charges that include conspiracy and murder that day the six said a portable radio offered the only contact with the outside world since koreshs right hand man steve schneider ripped out the compoundss phone line after fbi agents called before dawn monday saying this was the cults last chance come out or prepare to get forced out aw gee and whose fault is that they kept their word by dawn tanks were battering the mount carmel compound punching for hours to creat holes for tear gas to enter the bd meanwhile proceeded with their daily routines strapped into gas masks the women did laundry others read bibles in their rooms the 17 children all under 10 remained by their mothers sides still it was hard to ignore what was happening around them each time a tank rammed the poorly constructed building it shook violently cult members dodges falling gypsum wallboard and doors dear dear they could have come out hundreds of gas canisters hurled in from the armored vehicles were filling the air with noxious fumes the flying canisters were more frightening than the tanks at least one man was hit in the face dear dear they could have come out the gas began filling the air driven by heavy gusts of wind coming through windows and the holes the tanks made it couldnt have gotten too heavy with all that wind blowing through scattered throughout the house the cult members made no efforts to gather then the fbi sent in its biggest weapon a massive armored vehicle headed for a chamber lined with cinder blocks where authorities hoped to find koresh and schneider and fire tear gas directly at them here the cult members story diverges from the governments version the fbi says cult members set fires in three places but each of the six cult members in separate discussions with lawyers consistently gave versions at odds with the fbis account they say the tank flattened a barrel of propane spilling its contents and as the tank thundered through the house it tipped over lit lanterns spitting flames that ignited the propane and other flammables the home of used lumber plywood and wallboard tacked together with tar paper was vulnerable the building erupted nine bds escaped jumping through windows and dashing through other openings others died groping in the blackness sad but they could have come out the koresh cult standoff is over may his victims recquiescat in pace the above is a net moment of silence daniel a hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask me about rotaract baseball tigers win pitching duel yes its true 3 1 on a cold damp night last night at tiger stadium dave wells david haas bob macdonald and mike henneman combined for a 3 1 victory over the texas rangers here are the highlights r h e texas 1 4 1 detroit 3 5 0 wells gets the win hes now 3 0 with an era just under 1 and henneman gets his third save in three chances ken rogers started for the rangers and gets the loss he was relieved by burns in the 7th the rangers got their only run on a solo home run by dean palmer in the 7th the tigers opened the scoring with an rbi single by fryman in the 3rd then took the lead for good in the bottom of the seventh when whitaker greeted reliever burns with an rbi double which scored tettleton whitaker in turn crossed the plate on an rbi single by phillips who has been red hot for the third tiger run this afternoon its another battle of southpaws bill krueger for the tigers vs craig lefferts for the rangers randy p s toronto blue jay fans thanks for wells and macdonald those guys have really been a big help to the tigers pitching staff medicine re arythmia in article 1993apr22 031423 1 vaxc stevens tech edu u96 averba vaxc stevens tech edu writes doctors said that he could die from it and the medication caused is it that serious my ekg often comes back with a few irregular beats another question is a low blood potassium level very bad my doctor seems concerned but she tends to worry too much in general alexis perry the less i want the more i get perry1 husc harvard edu make me chaste but not just yet eliot house box 413 its a promise or a lie 617 493 6300 ill repent before i die work have you lost your mind ren sting nobody really admits to sharing my opinions last of all harvard college medicine re barbecued foods and health risk in article 79857 cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes i dont understand the assumption that because something is found to be carcinogenic that it would not be legal in the u s i think that no there is something called the delany amendment which makes carcinogenic food additives illegal in any amount this was passed by congress in the 1950s before stuff like mass spectrometry became available which increased detectable levels of substances by a couple orders of magnitude this is why things like cyclamates and red 2 were banned they are very weakly carcinogenic in huge quantities in rats so under the act they are banned this also applies to natural carcinogens some of you might remember a time back in the 1960s when root beer suddenly stopped tasting so good and never tasted so good again that was the time when safrole was banned this is the active flavoring ingredient in sassafras leaves if it were possible to market a root beer good like the old days someone would do it in order to make money the fact that no one does it indicates that enforcement is still in effect an odd exception to the rule seems to be the product known as gumbo file this is nothing more than coarsely ground dried sassafras leaves this is not only a natural product but a natural product still in its natural form so maybe thats how they evade delany or maybe a special exemption was made to appease powerful louisiana democrats i think what we have to keep in mind is that even though it may be illegal to commercially produce sell food with carcinogenic substances it is not illegal for people to do such to their own food smoking etc is this true baseball jack morris as of today april 17 jack morris has lost his first three starts however the jays are doing well without him and injured dave stuart this is a credit to the rest of the pitching staff has jack lost a bit of his edge what is the worst start jack morris has had windows roman bmp 05 14 part 5 of 14 m b9r kjz evz itnkh 7u pgu q 72 pugt lorpu86 1ex 8 m p hwa 8 skwi s b s w r 5c s hfnair k r b9rmw d d c v m kpywa l74 4 jpw 5eqefyjlkhbq k5 7 zlk z kh nkjz g0fnki m k khfngu nk rlb9tlkit l pk 71jrnkh air kh 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ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax 45 145 145 22di 2di 2 mdi 2di 2di 2di 2di 2di 2di 2di 2di 2di 2di 2di 2di 2di 2di 2 mdi 25 145 145 06 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86 a86r g r g mr g b8f b8f b8f b8f b8f b8f b8g r8f b8f b8f b8f b4q 3 q 3 m9v om4 9 72 9d 7ez n lj giz giz giz gk 1t i 4 pmf9f mq ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax end of part 5 of 14 guns re what to do if you shoot somebody in article 93108 025818u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes i have heard many opinions on this subject and would like to hear more from the people on the net say youre in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody you give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them my question is what do you do should you stay and wait for the cops or should you collect your brass if youre using a semi auto and get out of there provided of course you dont think that you have been seen what kind of laws are on the books regarding this type of situation what would be the most likely thing to happen to you if you stayed and waited and it was a first offense what would happen if you took off but someone saw you and you were caught anyone jason u28037 uicvm cc uic edu if in said situation i would reviewing other cases ive seen reported on in the articles ive read etc suggest the safest legal course of action is as follows warn your assailant loudly and in clear tones that you have a weapon yes even though its blatantly obvious now that you have it out and that you will shoot him if he advances does not cease whatever hostile action he is currently involved in ie drop the knife or ill shoot repeat this process three times if you can not if hes pointing a freaking gun at you himself thats kinda impractical there are variables here and i will try to address them in turn after said warning considering its ignored aim center mass and fire until he drops this is not sadism its practicality if he hasnt gone down hes still a threat why i support 45 if he turns and runs do not pursue or fire at his back shots fired in anger will burn you later though in some cases the i can see where that might not bother me all that much if you do drop him remain where you are have a bystander or witness or create one by yelling at the top of your lungs call the police and wait reholster your weapon visibly or place it on the ground nearby do not attempt to recollect your brass the police will use its location to piece together the scene along with your testimony and that of any witnesses mentally mark witnesses if the police say that none came forward let them know who you saw attempt to keep your weapon loaded with the minimum required how the hell can i phrase this try to avoid special purpose ammunition hollow points and hydrashock rounds give the opposing lawyer the type of loaded phrasing he will need to sawy the jury that you fully intended to kill someone the only special purpose rounds that i can think of that would actually help your case as it has in several is the glaser safety slug oh what a lovely name safety slug the stated purpose and stated design parameters of the round are life savers in court ie attempting to create a bullet which will not overpenetrate not ricochette and which is designed to stop not kill gee to bad the two often cross damn im real sorry that rapist is dead not an assailant with one shot this again can be a real life saver in a hostile court be as cooperative with the police as possible show them where you were repeat your information as often as requested they will often ask you the same questions over and over to verify facts and unfortunately to see if your lying fill out all statements and show all required identification and weapon permits booo down with registered citizens register your politicians as deadly tax weapons needing to be confiscated if they are required in your state contact a lawyer immediately if they decide to hold you or that further questioning is needed if you cannot afford one contact the nra they have a legal assistance fund or at least they used to i do hope your a member not my business either way though if i was vague on anything or i left some questions unanswered you can e mail me or post here preferebly e mail i dont have a load of time to review the news kane a truely representative government need never fear its armed citizens disband the batf bankrupt ted turner and hci i will give up my gun when they pry it out of my cold dead hand death to tyrants this space for rent kane djh4484 rigel tamu edu windows help needed w dos apps and windows since loading windows two of my dos applications have been acting strangely it appears that font changes and page orientation changes so far are not being recognized in wordperfect dos and quattropro dos another dos application does accept font and page orientation changes so i dont think the problem is with the printer i reloaded quattropro and these changes are still not accepted whether launching from windows or the dos prompt does anyone have any suggestions as to where to look or how to correct this problem ive ordered quattropro for windows but need a landscape application printed immediately please e mail thanks in advance sue bittner internet 34nigs2 cmuvm csv cmich edu central michigan university bitnet 34nigs2 cmuvm mt pleasant mi 48859 cars theres rust on my beamer help actually i wasnt too surprised since i bought it with the rust any of you got some ideas of getting rid of this cheaply key word it has eaten all the way through on the door panels can i use bondo also is there a good paint that will bond to aluminum rims the paint thati was on my rims has peeled off actually theres some rust looking stuff on the rims themselves but it comes off pretty easily one more thing have any of you done self painting to a car how do you start what do i need to do this please help me jesse baseball re jack morris in 48178 sdcc12 ucsd edu demers cs ucsd edu david demers writes in article 1993apr19 212428 7530 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes the facts are that morris has shown us that he has what it takes to play on a ws winning club clemens hasnt what does it take to play on a ws winning club we have no way of knowing because we cannot separate morris contribu tion from the rest of the teams there is only one way of determin ing best in baseball and that is by looking at the scoreboard at the end of the game each game determines which team is the best that day at the end of the season the team that was the best the most often is the best in the division the playoffs determine the best of the best but the point is that the only decision making pro cess used to determine the best is the score of the game and it re lates to the teams not the individual players there is no method inherent in baseball of comparing individual performances and that is how it should be because after all baseball is a team game to say that one player is better than another is to be able to say ab solutely that player as team would have played better with player b in their lineup sheer speculation impossible to ascertain if you want to select a group of statistics and claim that clemens has done better with those statistics as a criteria then fine but you have to be able to prove that those statistics measure the individuals contribution to winning the ws because that is the only measure of best that has any meaning in the context of base ball so until you can prove that clemens contributes to a ws cham pionship more than morris your evaluation of clemens is totally sub jective and is mere opinion i have yet to see that any of you can predict a ws winner with any greater accuracy than jeanne dixon the fact is that morris didnt win any ballgames toronto did in spite of morris contribution this has been explained to you exactly the jays won with morris pitching and boston wins with clemens pitching i am not saying that morris is better than clemens i am saying that individual comparisons between players are totally meaningless and that anyone claiming that clemens is better based on his era has missed the point of what baseball is all about many many times and you are either too stupid or too stubborn to grasp it you dont have to be rude you are completely consumed by the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy for you to say that means that you have either missed the entire point of my argument or you yourself have committed a fallacy ignoratio elenchi i am not saying that morris is better than clemens because he has more rings although i have tongue in cheek claimed that in the past i am saying that it is impossible to isolate an individuals performance from that of his teams for the purpose of comparing that individuals performance with another individuals per formance the stats are a nice hobby and thats about it there is no new knowledge being produced so when a poster claims that morris is better than clemens because he has more rings the poster is no more nor less incorrect than the rest of you baying hounds cordially as always maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time medicine post fever rashes i get em every time the subject line says it every time i run a fever i get an amazing rosy rash over my torso and arms fortunately it doesnt itch the rash always comes on the day after the fever breaks and no matter what the illness was cold flu whatever it started happening about four years ago after i moved to my current town although i dont know if that has anything to do with anything severity and persistance of the rash seems to vary with the fever a severe or long lasting fever brings a long lasting rash a mild fever seems to bring rashes that go away faster anybody know what might be causing this its no more than an embarassment but id be curious to know whats going on am i carrying some kind of fever resistant bug that goes wild when fever knocks out its competition jim jones baseball re jack morris aardvark cygnus la locus com warren usui writes so alfredo griffin is better than barry larkin if rings is what youre judging by then i dont see your point since barry has one 1990 yes but alfredo has at least two 1988 dodgers and 1992 blue jays not only that he has won world series rings for more different teams than babe ruth and lou gehrig combined how do we know that the yankee dynasty was not due to lazarri being at third warren i agree with your premise but the babe won on two teams thats right he was part of the red sox dynasty of the 1910s and everyone knows that the yankee dynsaty wouldnt have happened without thier famous bullpen catcher whose name escapes me at the moment cuz medicine re migraines in article drand 93mar26112932 spinner osf org drand spinner osf org douglas s rand writes so ill ask this my neurologist just prescribed cafergot and midrin as some alternatives for me to try he stated that the sublingual tablets of ergotamine were no longer available any idea why he also suggested trying 800 mg ibuprophen i just found out about the sublinguals disappearing too i dont know why perhaps because they werent as profitable as cafergot too bad since tablets are sometimes vomited up by migraine patients and they dont do any good flushed down the toilet i suspect well be moving those patients more and more to the dhe nasal spray which is far more effective gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars re improvements in automatic transmissions in article 1qugvu ai8 quad wfunet wfu edu hagenjd wfu edu jeff hagen writes thanx to all those who responded particularly those never driven an xxx but heres what its like guys ok we all know that new age ats are great in traffic and do a satisfactory job in acceleration when you keep your foot buried in the carpet my question regards downshifting not downshifting to pass ats are good at this now but manually moving the lever to 3 2 or 1 at a point where you would downshift a manual e g approaching a red light or a curve or just tooling around a parking lot in 1st or 2nd w o shifting this is why im still a manual trans bigot the downshifting for deceleration seems so natural when i try this in an automatic the tranny doesnt seem to understand what i want addendum isnt it great after downshifting while approaching that red light when the light goes green and youre already on cam or the turbos already spooled up zippppppppppp hagen hagenjd ac wfu edu i have a grand am with auto and quad4 around the gear selector there is a plastic strip which covers the space so you cant see inside anyway i took the cover off and cut the end of this long strip to a specific length the strip curls up into a cirlce at one end inside anyway by doing this the strip cant feed into the lip that circles it so i can push button pull down and the gear shifter will only go back to 2 from drive no accidental hitting first i drive around town in 2 to keep the revs up shift to drive above 50 and pull down to 2 when coming up to lights if i want if i am eating food i drive in drive there are probably aftermarket shift kits that will accomplish the same thing porsches tip tronic automatic can be driven like an auto or put into mode tip up upshift tip down downshift of course there is an override so you dont redline the engine cars re where can i get a new york taxi wharfie wrat unisql uucp wrote in article c5r66a 6rb srgenprp sr hp com almanb sr hp com bob alman writes hose h o s e dork d o r k oh really heres what you posted earlier in another thread before you thrash others for making simple mistakes or flaunt your wonderful vi skill think about how you make them feel as well as how you look you spelled it right for years you have assaulted others with offensive language etc from the content of many of your posts you appear to have a lot of useful information to share with people but it gets overshadowed when you come across as an abusive smart ass wharfie wrat unisql uucp wrote in article c5lobl ddw mentor cc purdue edu marshatt feserve cc purdue edu z auberer writes remember roads in america are not designed for speeds above 80 meaning they would be safe at 55 65 roads like the autobahn are smoother straiter wider and slightly banked well thats news before 1975 the speed limit on texas highways was 75 the speed limit on the new jersey turnpike i 95 was 70 there were no speed limits in nevada or montana east becoming hidden by trees after about 1 000 ft and continued to the left strait north i wanted to turn north checked the south lane rolled straight s t r a i g h t guns re guns gone good riddance as quoted from 1993apr18 000152 2339 gnv ifas ufl edu by jrm gnv ifas ufl edu the press is against you the public the voting public is against you the flow of history is against you this is it kind of sounds like plessy v ferguson huh of course as in that case things change huh too fucking bad you have gone the way of the kkk violent solutions are passe avoid situations which encourage criminals then you will be as safe as possible such as it is no if your little fantasy comes to pass the country will have gone toward the kkk youre of course being a little disengenuous violent solutions are never passe for the government and criminals who frequently cannot be distinguished avoid situations which encourage criminals you mean dont be a woman dont be black dont be gay im quite certain that having a surfeit of unarmed victims will discourage your beloved kkk from engaging in violent solutions youre like a bunch of over educated new york jewish aclu lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in arkansas holly silva guns re my gun is like my american express card i hate long postings but this turned out to be rather lengthy overall crime rate it fell just like that acquiring weapons in norway you can buy almost all kinds of weapons in norway but you must have a permit and a good reason to get the permit if i would like to have a handgun i would have to get an gun licence from the police and to be a member of a gun club the police would check my criminal records for any serious crimes and or records of serious mental diseases now if a got my licence i would have to be an active member of the gun club for 6 months before i could collect my gun its a little like getting a drivers licence isnt it you have to prove that you can drive before you are allowed to use of guns in crimes in norway some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners arms for a long time but these are rather the exeption most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes and mostly short time befor the crime use of knives it is allowed to cary knifes in public but not in your belt or open you americans think its ok to have a gun but not to carry it open in public rigth scandinavians are aggressive we northeners are not as hot livered as southeners but when we decide to take action we do ask any historian or millitary with an knowledge of europe or ask any german who served in norway in ww2 individual vs masses yes the individual is more important than the masses but only to some extent your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses what happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of all the others the issue i believe the issue is guns and gun legislation we shouldnt mix weapons and items that can serve as one if i lived in amerika i would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in home but should it have to be like that do you think its wise to sell guns like candy some states do if you believe its smart neccacery to have drivers licence why do you think it should be free to buy guns disclaim her im not a pacifist or anti gun i would defend my home loved ones and country but i dont view guns as neccities or toys i have done army service and have used a variaty of weapons but wouldnt want to have one for self defence or because they feel good this is not a signature its marly a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil internet thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no windows re program manager two questions in article 1993apr22 204406 20330 vpnet chi il us lisbon vpnet chi il us gerry swetsky writes 1 is it possible to change the icons in the program groups id like to give them some individuality 2 can you set up a short cut key to return to the program manager i know ctl esc esc will do it but id rather set it up so i can avoid the task list and get back to the p m with alt f1 i use plugin an enhancement to program manager it allows 1 for sure i dont know on 2 anyway give it a try i like it a lot and registered it right away it can be found at ftp cica indiana edu 129 79 20 84 in pub pc win3 util plugin13 zip bruce bruce f steinke never know when youre going to bsteinke dsd es com need a good piece of rope software technical support engineer sam gamgee evans sutherland computer corp my mail my opinions windows windows disk drive test availabel is their a pd freeware hard drive utility that can handle a compressed ide drive without screwwing it up need to document occasional failures in reading writing check overall integrity of disks hardware and sectors i believe that all of my problems with dos windows can be isolated to my drive getting occasional corrupted files even with smartdrive 32 bit access turned off had these problems under dos 5 only with drive c drive d may have had one failure but that file was under the control of win winword on drive c all utilities available to me report no problems dos ndd nu4 5 another symptom sd took forever on c and kicked me out with a suspension till ndd run 6 to 8 times thanks mike hayes knowledge is good faber college motto www knowledge and thoroughness rensselear poly motto unemployed tech no thank you groucho marx a day at the races driven to banging my head against engineering physics for 4 years medicine re eye dominance bbenowit telesciences com barry d benowitz writes in article c5e2g7 877 world std com rsilver world std com richard silver writes is there a right eye dominance eyedness as there is an overall right handedness in the population i mean do most people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the other if so what kinds of percentages can be attached to this thanks yes there is such a thing as eye dominance although i am not sure if this dominance refers to perscription strength as i recall if you selectively close your dominant eye you will percieve that the image shifts this will not happen if you close your other eye i believe that which eye is dominant is related to handedness but i cant recall the relation at the moment barry d benowitz i read a great book about eye dominance several years ago so there is one book out there at least one there were several types of eye dominance where a person looks in their memory usually indicates a type of eye dominanc another type is related to coordination activities like hitting a ball another for reading i didnt read one that discussed prescription strength although people with bad vision near or far sighted would tend to depend on the stronger eye jackie baseball re candlestick park experience long craige sad hp com craig eid writes these things should have been done a long time ago but it took a real businessman ex safeway president peter magowan to figure it out just like he used to tell his checkers if the customers dont come back i dont need as many checkers this isnt a knock on bob lurie he was a competent businessman but he didnt deal much with the general public interesting article craig its amazing how hard it is to get baseball teams to understand how to properly market their teams and treat their customers no other business could ever get away with the 19th century attitudes that most current owners display in running their clubs i guess the owners look at baseballs high growth rate and ask why its necessary to bring 20th century business practices into the game but they dont realize how much more growth the game is capable of and how much they pay in terms of long term popularity by not doing better by the game and its fans greg cars re the 1994 mustang in article c5xtp7 mtb murdoch acc virginia edu jmh hopper virginia edu jeffrey hoffmeister writes in article 1993apr22 192652 3032 virginia edu jmm4h virginia edu the blade runner writes i just have got to remind all of you that this is it yes thats right somtime this fall ford the granddaddy of cars will be introducing an all new mega cool way too fast for accord drivers mustang its supposed to be 100 streamlined looking similar to the mach iii concept car ford came out with around january i cant wait anyone out there hear anything about it recently if everything ive read is correct ford is doing nothing but re skinning the existing mustang with minor suspension modifications and the pictures ive seen indicate they didnt do a very good job of it the new mustang is nothing but a re cycle of a 20 year old car jeff what i heard there was a new engine slated for the mustang something like 280hp ok it was from one of their other lines eric alter religion re christian owned organization list in article a byu edu stephan sasb byu edu stephan fassmann writes in article 1993apr13 025426 22532 mnemosyne cs du edu kcochran nyx cs du edu keith justified and ancient cochran writes in article 47749 sdcc12 ucsd edu shopper ucsd edu writes does anyone have or know where i can find a list of christian owned corporations and companies one that i know of is wordperfect i believe that wordperfect is actually owned by the mormons sorry wordperfect is own by a mormon not the lds church slight semantical difference the lds church does own a heck of a lot however they are the largest land holder in missouri where they think christ will appear at the second coming i believe they also own some large beverage company like pepsi that was why they had to take caffiene off of their forbidden substance list guns re ban all firearms as quoted from 1993apr14 184448 2331 gnv ifas ufl edu by jrm gnv ifas ufl edu firearms tend to fall into this low dollar pound area it would not be economic to smuggle them in all production would have to be local there are not all that many people who have both the skill and motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch high ranking crime figures could obtain imported uzis and such but the average person and average thug would be lucky to get a zip gun and would pay through the nose for it you dont know much about modern automatic weapons do you just about anybody with basic manufacturing skill can turn out high quality submachineguns a couple of high school shop teachers were recently arrested for building submachineguns in the school shop i suggest that you go to the library and find a copy of smallarms of the world your entire premise is based on non factual assumptions youre like a bunch of over educated new york jewish aclu lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in arkansas holly silva medicine re info colonics and purification not everything that goes in comes out and personaly i dont mind giving my body a hand once in a while just my experience george paap ive got a very nice collection of historical books on medical quackery and on the topic of massage this is a recurring theme ordinary massage is intended to make a person feel better especially if they have muscular or joint problems but like chiropracty there are some practitioners who take the technique to a far extreme invoking what seems to me to be quack science to justify their technique in the case of massage there is a technique called deep abdominal massage in which the masseur is literally attempting to massage the intestines the notion is that undigested food adheres to the inner surface of the intestines and putrifies releasing poisons which cause various disease syndromes by this vigorous and painful procedure it is alleged that these deposits can be loosened up and passed out i just cant believe this idea has any truth behind it the human intestine is not a new york city sewer pipe and even if it were you eat half of a small box of triscuits and there aint gonna be nothin sticking to the inner surface of your intestine medicine re burzynskis antineoplastons a good source of information on burzynskis method is in the cancer industry by pulitzer prize nominee ralph moss also a non profit organization called people against cancer which was formed for the purpose of allowing cancer patients to access information regarding cancer therapies not endorsed by the cancer industry but which have shown highly promising results all of which are non toxic anyone interested in cancer therapy should contact this organi zation asap people against cancer po box 10 otho ia 50569 0010 515 972 4444 fax 515 972 4415 peace greg nigh windows more diamond ss 24x has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this card is only in windows i have replaced card and am waiting on latest drivers also have experienced general protection fault errors in wspdpsf drv on winword tools option menu and in winfax setup i had a ati ultra but was getting genral protection fault errors in an spss application these card manufactures must have terrible quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs what a hassle running on gateway 2000 dx2 50 thx dave l baseball re joe robbie stadium not for baseball in article 1993apr6 025027 4846 oswego oswego edu iacs3650 oswego edu kevin mundstock writes from iacs3650 oswego edu kevin mundstock subject joe robbie stadium not for baseball date 6 apr 93 02 50 27 gmt did anyone notice the words not for baseball printed on the picture of joe robbie stadium in the opening day season preview section in usa today any reason given for this i would assume that the words i saw the picture indicated that those seats will not be available for baseball games if you look at the picture of the diamond in the stadium in relation to the areas marked not for baseball those seats just look terrible for watching baseball now if they should happen to reach the post season i would imagine that they would consider opening some of those seats up but that is surely a worry of the future sam lubchansky spl2 po cwru edu in the champion people see what theyd like to be in the loser they see what they actually are and they treat him with scorn sugary condiments secure initial pleasure but fermented grain is decidedly more parsimonious of time cars centreforce clutch any one with experience in having a centreforce clutch or any other on his her car im considering to replace my old stock clutch on my 90 crx si what is a fair price martin windows pixel font im looking for a font that looks like pixels off of a monitor not the lcd kind of font though does anyone know where i can get one kirk membry our age is the age of industry rutgers viamar kmembry alexander rodchenko windows how can i make mpeg sound hello i install one wav driver pc speaker then install mpeg 2 0 phoenix oulu fi pub incoming mpeg2 0 mpegexe zip in windows 3 1 but when i load one mpeg file and make sound type to wav or mpeg it always say error when i load one mpeg file which have wav file wav then select sound type to wav it is normal and no error but i still cant hear sound what should i do fix the sounddrv number in mfw ini thankx for any help internet address u7911093 cc nctu edu tw english name erik wang chinese name wang jyh shyang national chiao tung university taiwan r o c guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1993apr21 113723 10103 synapse bms com hambidge bms com writes in article c5sv88 hjy news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes in article 1r1j3n 4t transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1r19tp 5em bigboote wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas do you eat all your food cold ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves very popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially ever hear about cutting off the electricity that was done how effective is an electric stove then didnt the branch davidans have an emergency generator oh well i dont think brent thought of that anyway patrick chester aka claypigeon wolfone ccwf cc utexas edu the earth is our cradle but one cannot stay in the cradle forever peoples organizations rarely stay that way or even begin as such i only speak for myself if i did speak for ut would anyone listen baseball re dave kingman for the hall of fame im no kingman fan just thought id point out that hes the only player in history to have five three hr games joe carter has four eddie murray three mccovey and gehrig also three ruth mays foxx and dawson two each i dont think reggies ws game counts else i believe he would also have had two the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com windows which sound board to buy well ive come into some money and want to buy cd rom sound board and speakers i have not kept up on any material relating to sound boards and cd roms because until now i never thought id have enough money so can you gurus out there point me in the direction of a good package including cd rom sound and speakers and software i suppose or since i dont really need the cd rom right now give me some good ideas for sound boards and speakers those i could really use now i have looked at soundblaster pro which costs about as much as i think i want to spend on a board 120 and ive looked at the gravis sound board which is about 140 and i dont know the adv disadv of either of these boards right now i want to use it with any games that support sound and to use in windows 3 1 to utilize sound capabilities there so any concise info on sound boards complete multimedia packages etc would be greatly appreciated if anyone else is interested in this info i would be glad to summarize responses and post and if this is some type of faq please point me in the right direction and dont bother taking up a lot of bandwidth thanks brett brett watson database system administrator kansas supreme court topeka ks baseball re hbp bb big cat stevet eskimo com steven thornton writes the official mlb formula for obp is hits plus walks plus hit by pitch divided by at bats plus walks plus hit by pitch plus sacrifice flies sac bunts and errors have no effect source total baseball and they sure they might if an error is recorded on for example a ground ball ie the batter would otherwise be out it is officially a hitless at bat if its some other type of error greenwell lets a single go by it doesnt effect the obp but most errors are counted cuz religion re oto the ancient order of oriental templars in a previous article shades sorinc cutler com darrin a hyrup says they thelema lodge dont have an internet address but they do have a cis address which can be reached via uucp internet it is 72105 1351 so i guess that would be 72105 1351 cis com or something like that compuserve com tony medicine re quack quack was re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1ravpeinnah4 gap caltech edu ken isis cns caltech edu ken miller writes so if you have any evidence against the hypothesis for example controlled double blind studies showing that the anti fungals dont do any better than sugar water then lets hear it if you dont then what we have is anecdotal and uncontrolled evidence on one side and abject disbelief on the other i dont have any evidence against water from lourdes curing ms im sure there is anecdotal evidence that it does do you really think that in the absence of a double blind study i should be indifferent to the hypothesis that water from lourdes cures ms for what its worth i know of only one double blind study of nystatin for candida hypersensitivity syndrome it was published in the new england journal i think 1990 and showed no benefit on systemic symptoms though i think it reduced vaginal yeast infections not surprisingly as i recall the yeast crowd had some major objections to the study though i dont remember what they were david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu baseball re all time best players in article 1993apr22 204633 1 woods ulowell edu poiriera woods ulowell edu writes this chatting about the best player of all time is pointless you cant compare players from different eras of course you can you just have to be careful about what conclusions you draw if you will notice the best pitchers stat wise were in the 20s and 30s and the best all around hitters probably came from the 40s to 60s huh the 20s and 30s were the worst decades for great pitching grove vance dean and not a whole lot else as for the best all around hitters stat wise ruth gehrig foxx greenberg hornsby cobb etc all played before the 40s stat wise the 60s were a graveyard for hitters now we have a great number of great pitchers and an equally great number of great hitters and fielders also how do you know which ones do you consider great about fielding the gloves were much smaller than they are now in the early years of baseball maybe a hitter like sheffield with the 330 ba 30hr and 100 rbi even though it was probably a fluke year can be compared to a mantle because the pitching sheffield faces is faster and not to mention better the so sheffield also has better shoes more time between pitches you can run the comparison but there are lots of things to take into account same could be said for frank thomas who is said to be the best hitter since ted williams although franks defense does suck well can we compare them or cant we all i am saying is that you cant compare players from different eras if you want a best player try choosing best players from different eras that why we can compare players to the standard of their era and we can keep in mind era to era differences without throwing up our hands in despair way there is reasonable basis for comparison you havent shown us whats un reasonable about the mantle sheffield comparison that you yourself did roger medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1rhb58 9cf hsdndev harvard edu rind enterprise bih harvard edu david rind writes in article 1993apr26 103242 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes are in a different class the big question seems to be is it reasonable to use them in patients with gi distress or sinus problems that could be due to candida blooms following the use of broad spectrum antibiotics i guess im still not clear on what the term candida bloom means but certainly it is well known that thrush superficial candidal infections on mucous membranes can occur after antibiotic use this has nothing to do with systemic yeast syndrome the quack diagnosis that has been being discussed found in the sinus mucus membranes than is candida women have been known for a very long time to suffer from candida blooms in the vagina and a women is lucky to find a physician who is willing to treat the cause and not give give her advise to use the otc anti fungal creams lucky how since a recent article randomized controlled trial of oral yogurt on reducing vaginal candidiasis ive mentioned to a number of patients with frequent vaginal yeast infections that they could try eating 6 ounces of yogurt daily it turns out most would rather just use anti fungal creams when they get yeast infections yogurt dangerous if this were a standard part of medical practice as gordon r says it is then the incidence of gi distress and vaginal yeast infections should decline again this just isnt what the systemic yeast syndrome is about and has nothing to do with the quack therapies that were being discussed there is some evidence that attempts to reinoculate the gi tract with bacteria after antibiotic therapy dont seem to be very helpful in reducing diarrhea but i dont think anyone would view this as a quack therapy david rind yogurt contains lactobacillus acidophilus and l bulgaricus l acidophilus is the major bacteria in the vaginal tract and is primarily responsible for keeping the vaginal tract acidic and yeast free most of the commercial yogurt sold in the u s has a very low l acidophilus and l bulgaricus count neither of these bacteria are obligate anaerobes with are much more important in dealing with the diarrhea problem gordon r has told me through e mail that he gives his patients l acidophilus and several different obligate anaerobes which set up shop in the colon but he hasnt told me which ones yet the lactobacillus genera are mostly facultative anaerobes and will set up shop where they have access to oxygen if given a chance mouth anus sinus cavity and vagina having these good bacteria around will greatly decrease the chance of candida blooms in the anal region or the vagina i have not proposed a systemic action for candida blooms i know that others swear that all kinds of symptoms arise from the evil yeast blooms in the body im not ready to buy that yet i do believe that complications at specific sites vagina anal and maybe lower colon sinus and mouth can result from antibiotic use which removes the competing bacteria from these sites and thus lets candida grow unchecked restoring the right bacterial balance is the best way in my opinion to get rid of the problem anti fungals a low carbohydrate diet and vitamin a supplementation may all help to minimize the local irritation until the good bacteria can take over control of the food supply again and lower the ph to basically starve the candida out marty b guns re gun control proud to be a canuck frank crary fcrary ucsu colorado edu wrote in article 1pqsruinniae hp col col hp com dduff col hp com dave duff writes the swiss population is and well was far larger than that i think your question should be losing sleep over a million expert riflemen certainly he could have conquered switzerland but a million armed militiamen especially in a mountainous area where tanks effectiveness is limited would have made it a real pain the question a conqueror would ask is is it worth the trouble the more difficult an invasion is the more likely the answer would be no certainly a million riflemen as opposed to a professional army of only ten or twenty thousand the best a country the size of switzerland could support makes invasions more difficult hitler invaded yugoslavia and occupied it the mountainous portions were sometimes patrolled by the wermacht but they were certainly not in control there were two major native factions opposing each other and the germans it was basically useless to the germans no production and a drain on their resources a armored division and a couple of infantry divisions which if my memory is correct were kind of stuck there up until the allies accepted their surrender i think that the allies also let the germans keep some of their weapons for self defense unitil they were able to get to the lowlands away from the resistance factions this is from memory and it is unreliable dale farmer religion re jewish history question in article 1993apr10 195513 17991 csi uottawa ca misrael csi uottawa ca mark israel writes in article cocoac5797e 43y netcom com cocoa netcom com little e writes deleted here tis someone just told me that the old testament books were translated into greek a long time ago yes thats a famous version called the septuagint it was a translation made by greek jews and that the originals were destroyed in a fire soon afterward i dont know what youre referring to here when the jersusalem temple was destroyed some manuscripts may have been lost but i think our extant hebrew manuscripts are as good as our greek ones i dont know about any originals the person who was telling me about the septuagint version said that the greeks had a wonderful library in alexandria that was full of manuscripts scrolls and that it was burned soon after the septuagint version was translated perhaps to conceal some changes in the different versions or perhaps just as part of the typical burning of valuable things that occurs during changes in power groups he i dunno so i was just wondering since i imagine some jewish people somewhere must have had copies of the earlier hebrew versions is the hebrew version of the old testament very different from the greek derived version no there are a few famous discrepancies isaiahs prophecy about a young woman was changed into a virgin which was how the new testament writers read it but not many well perhaps this is the answer then deleted if you go to a jewish bookstore youll get a bible translated by jews so there will be some differences in interpretation but the text theyre translating from is basically the same if you want to read the original you can buy an interlinear bible that contains the hebrew old testament and the greek new testament with an english translation written underneath each word if you want a bible with a possibly more original basic text you can try to find a samaritan bible good luck ive never seen one the samaritans no not the good samaritans have their own version of the 5 books of moses they claim the jewish bible was altered by ezra thanks for the tips now i just have to find someone to teach me samaritan just me little e so is a good samaritan hard to find or is a hard oh finish this yourself chocolatier at arms and castle wetware liason e mail cocoa netcom com voicemail 415 337 4940 baseball re obp hurt by sac flies was re hbp bb big cat in article 1993apr23 065059 16619 rigel econ uga edu scottm helena stat uga edu scott mclure writes sorry i gotta disagree here last time i played ball i went up on several occasions intending to hit a fly ball deep enough to score the runner from third or advance a runner to third its relatively easy actually you swing under the path of the ball you normally would to hit a good line drive with fastballs its very easy much more difficult with good breaking balls a good hitter with excellent bat control can voluntarily hit fly balls to the outfield at least oh 60 of the time maybe more theres a blurb in the stats scoreboard about this and though i dont have the book with me here my memory is that the best at hitting sac flies were far below this 60 number sherri nichols snichols adobe com cars re wife wants convertible aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer writes nuet ke pts mot com keith nuetzman x3153 p7625 writes help my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car jp vllyoak resun com jeff perry writes fyi just last week the pbs show motor week gave the results of what they thought were the best cars for 93 in the convertible category the snip snip does porsche have a patent on the targa name i mean convertible to me means top down which the del sol certainly does not do it has the center that lifts out this is what i would term a targa unless porsches was gonna sue me for doing that i know the rear window rolls down but i still can hardly consider this car to be a convertible drew here we go no of course porsche doesnt have a patent on the targa name if that were the case what would fiat do i suppose that technically my del sol is not a convertible in the literal sense but it certainly classifies as an open topped car in addition the rear section behind the removable top is what makes my car infinately safer than a convertible flame retardant on diane dspalme mke ab com medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article c5je94 krl unx sas com sasghm theseus unx sas com gary merrill writes in article 1993apr15 161112 21772 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes i dont think extra scientific is a very useful phrase in a discussion of the boundaries of science except as a proposed definiens extra rational is a better phrase in fact there are quite a number of well known cases of extra rational considerations driving science in a useful direction yeah but the problem with holding up the extra rational examples as exemplars or as refutations of well founded methodology is that you run smack up against such unuseful directions as lysenko such extra rational cases are curiosities not guides to methodology as has been noted before there is the distinction between motivation and method no experimental result should be accepted unless it is described in sufficient detail to be replicated and the replications do indeed reproduce the result no theoretical argument should be accepted unless it is presented in sufficient detail to be followed and reasonable knowlegeable people agree with the force of the logic but people try experiments and pursue arguments for all sorts of crazy reasons irrational motivations are not just curiousities they are a large part of the history of science there are a couple of negative points to make here 1 a theory of qi could conceivably become accepted without direct verification of the existence of qi for example quarks are an accepted part of the standard model of physics with no direct verification what would be needed would be a theory based on qi that predicted medical reality better than the alternatives the central theoretical claim could lie forever beyond experiment as long as there was a sufficient body of experimental data that the qi theory predicted better than any other i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for the triumph of qi though i dont think that there is even a coherent theory based on it much less a theory that explains anything at all better than modern biology and it is hard to imagine a qi theory that would not predict some way of rather directly verifying the existence of qi 2 science has not historically progressed in any sort of rational experiment data theory sequence most experiments are carried out and interpreted in pre existing theoretical frameworks the theoretical controversies of the day determine which experiments get done overall there is a huge messy affair of personal jealousies crazy motivations petty hatreds and the like that determines which experiments and which computations get done what keeps it going forward is the critical function of science results dont count unless they can be replicated the whole system is a sort of mechanism for generate and test the generate part can be totally irrational as long as the test part works properly pasteur could believe whatever he liked about chemical activity and crystals but even mitscherlich had to agree that racemic acid crystals were handed that when you separate them by handedness you get two chemicals that rotate polarized light in opposite directions and the right rotating version was indistinguishable from tartaric acid pasteurs irrational motivation had led to a replicable and important result this is where lysenko creationists etc fail they have usually not even produced coherent theories that predict much of anything when their theories do predict and are contradicted by experiment they do not concede the point and modify their theories rather they try to suppress the results lysenko or try to divert attention to other evidence they think supports their position creationists mark a fulk university of rochester computer science department fulk cs rochester edu guns re larry king interview with koreshs lawyer from alt law enforcement in article 1993apr20 212245 3186 msus1 msus edu hayden krypton mankato msus edu robert a hayden writes i only caught about the last 15 minutes of this show i hope to see it when it repeats later but did manage to catch the summary according to koreshs lawyer and some other guy who i am not sure who he is the davidians did not start the fire and apparently made several attempts at escaping but were blocked by smoke fire and fbi tanks he states this after interviews with thoses 9 davidians that escaped they indicated that their was no suicide pact and that the fire was set by the fbi i got that impression not sure about that something about this whole mess just doesnt smell right it didnt feb 28th and is doesnt now robert hayden black holes result from god dividing the universe by zero hayden krypton mankato msus edu aq650 slc4 ins cwru edu include std disclaimer h cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet guns nra address could someone email me a usnail address for the nra id like to write them a letter encouraging them to see to it very emphatically that the 2nd amendment is restored to the form that the founding fathers intended people like howard metzenbaum seem very intent on diluting the 2nd amendment to the point where it is no effort for the governmentski to do what they did in waco after all from what i know of the federalist papers it is this kind of tyranny the 2nd amendment was supposed to be designed to protect against honestly m 60 tanks against the civilian population attack helicopters we need the right to keep and bear anti tank weapons actually if they intend to mass armour against the weakly armed at that civilian population we need the right to field tactical nukes government tyranny who would have ever thought it would happen here i wonder whose house theyll run tanks through next because the gov suspects child abuse maybe yours maybe mine and what is an illegal weapon which they have yet to show us if the 2nd amendment is designed to do what i believe it is and the gov uses tanks against you government self serving naaaah not here time was when the u s used armour attack helicopters against small countries now were down to using them against to what amounts to a busload and a half of civilians first they came for the jews but i did not stop them because i was not a jew then they came for the catholics but i did not stop them because i was not a catholic then they came for the lutherans but there was now no one left to stop them rev martin niemoller probably didnt get it verbatim but you get the idea if the nra reads this then never mind about the address god save us james s barker portland state university barker cs pdx edu guns re the ballad of david koresh in article c5w448 2np usenet ucs indiana edu pwithere silver ucs indiana edu patricia anne withered writes the ballad of david koresh at concord and at waco the tyrants minions failed though they all died in the fire koreshs people have prevailed good irony the waco finale was on april 19 patriots day on that day 218 years earlier the militias of concord mass and other nearby towns repelled a gun control raid by the then current colonial government baseball re mlb nba mss netcom com mark singer writes in article 93109 190117rvesterm vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes in article mssc5qrrz 91h netcom com mss netcom com mark singer says 1 why would owners decrease ticket prices when they obviously get lots of people to pay the price theyre asking i dont think that it is obvious that lots of people are willing to pay the price im sure someone out there in net land has some facts about trends in attendance regarding percentage of capacity sold but even if the trends are relatively flat you have to consider what is happening on a team by team basis attendance in 1992 was down by 3 from an all time record in 1991 in people terms attendance was down by 310 000 from 1991 to 1992 two franchises the dodgers and mets were down by 1 100 000 from 1991 to 1992 had either of them not been entirely awful mlb would have set another attendance record in 1992 mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com fortran the infantile disorder by now nearly 20 years old is hopelessly inadequate for whatever computer application you have in mind today it is now too clumsy too risky and too expensive to use edsger dijkstra selected writings on computing baseball re tigers thud see sig kurt bose as in daisy not rose kbos carina unm edu help cleanse r s b of all mindless woofing whenever someone at your site posts an article with a subject of the form my team r00lz simply look him up in the directory hunt him down and beat him senseless easy fun rewarding cars re plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences in article 2bd0bdc3 25868 news service uci edu raman translab its uci edu balaji v ramanathan writes the part about spending 5000 7000 on repairs reminds me of an article i read in a magazine comparing the 5 year ownership costs of a toyota camry and a ford taurus or something like that the result which they announced with great flourish was that it cost the same at the end of the period that was their argument to prove that you dont go wrong buying the ford taurus over the camry now if i remember correctly the camry costs about 4000 or so more in initial costs essentially it means that you spend about 4000 extra on repairs on the taurus that is ridiculous every time your car needs repairs it is extra hassles loss of time and a dozen other things i would much rather spend 5000 more in initial costs than spend 4000 more in repair costs did you account for depreciation i seriously doubt that a taurus would rack up an extra 4000 in repair costs over 5 years teddy baseball re cubs expos roster questions alird msu oscs montana edu writes today 4 14 cubs activated p mike harkey from dl whom did they move to make room for harkey shawn boskie guns re proper gun control what is proper gun control was re my gun is like my american express card iftccu talk politics guns hays ssd intel com kirk hays 3 31 pm apr 13 1993 some of the pro gun posters in this group own no guns the dread terminator aka the rifleman owned no firearms for several years while posting in this group as an example there are others good point kirk hes still around too hes responded by email to a couple of my posts and gosh darn hes gotten down right civil this happed about the time he got his first firearm wonder if there is a relationship here turns out that most people at least the ones who are not criminals to start with act responsibility once given the chance rick baseball phils are still looking immaculate ladies and gentleman step one was taken on the phils triumphant trip this year tonight yes that was english mulhollands era after tonights game 0 00 nice try drabek ninja jew cars old license plates wanted hi me and my roomate are going to redecorate the living room and we thought it would be a cool idea to have a license plate from every state in the us and then from whereever else we could find like canada mexixo even some european ones if anyone has any ideas or knows someone that could help us out please let me know the more recent the better but anything would be nice either that or if you have an old plate hanging around hint hint kev wanderer camelot bradley edu kevin c murphy 1312 west main street 421 peoria il 61606 guns re gun control in article c51l52 bgo magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes i would be surprised if there werent contrary studies i might add that sloan and kellerman was endorsed by the police departments of both seattle and vancouver and is considered by most of the references i have at hand the most exhaustive study of its kind even by those who take issue with some of the essays conclusions s ks statistics speak largely for themselves without postulate and i might add vitamin c has been endorsed by a nobel laureate as a panacea for almost everything from the common cold to cancer in order to compare violent crime trends s k compared all violent crime categories from simple assault through various mechanisms of homicide wait a minute s k did not compare trends if they did they would have seen that the advent of canadas gun law had no effect on homicides total or handgun without a pre vs post comparison one cannot speculate as to the utility of anything all they have is a correlation and correlation does not prove causality if your point is that non whites commit more handgun crimes than whites then yours is the dubious assumption conventional social theory is that economic status not color is the primary motivating factor for crime especially violent crime whats your point anyway that white people are more responsible gun owners should we assume that its a coincidence that there are comparitively fewer white people earning below the poverty line and living in tenement neighborhoods where most violent crime occurs hold it again you dismiss a point about demographics then you ask about socio economic demographics very slick differences between the two cities in the permit regulations render these two numbers strictly noncomparable on the contrary its these differences that are the very basis of the study the easy availability of legal handguns in seattle and the much more difficult restricted weapons permit required in vancouver once again correlation does not prove causality looking at pre vs post data the canadian gun law had no effect not so cook measures suicides and assaultive homicides with firearms against a survey based estimate of the number of legal and illegal guns in circulation within a city sir if you were a canadian and owned a gun before the restrictive gun laws were passed and decided to hide it rather than turn it in would you answer truthfully a question about gun ownership from someone who calls writes or asks you on the street that is one problem with surveys nobody will answer an incriminating question another is that people will often tell you what they think you want to here again your author misses the core issue that vancouver citizens are prohibited from purchasing handguns on the basis of self defense they dont have a choice in the matter does that mean no vancouver citizens have handguns i think not you are discounting guns purchased beforehand and guns purchased for purposes other than self defense which can also be used for defense hmmm sounds like your author might like a bumper sticker that reads guns dont kill people black people kill people honestly his conjectures backed up by zero evidence zero studies and even less common sense arent worth the considerable time it must have taken you to type in his assumptions look frighteningly close to those pseudo scientific studies that the white supremist assholes love the crap that takes published statistics twisted around in an attempt to prove the inherent criminal nature of black people he makes valid points about demographic differences you then resort to the kind of argument that the politically correct movement often uses to stifle any debate nice real nice this authors essay contains 0 independent study upon which to base his conclusions just some strained disjointed statistical discourse attempting to blame seattles murder rate on blacks one doesnt have to produce his own data in order to point out the flaws in the methodology and conclusions of anothers study again you resort to pc tactics al standard disclaimer religion re is it good that jesus died brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes even though a new born is innocent as can be his sinful nature will surely manifest itself more explicity as he gets older for as surely as he grows hair on his head and teeth within his mouth he will show the signs of his innate sin by rebelling against mommy and daddy with that loud proclamation no thats not showing the signs of his innate sin thats testing the limits of his newfound independence a two year old will continually test you to see just how much he can get away with just as a pet dog will if a child always submitted to your will in a docile fashion would you praise him and suspect that hes the second coming of christ or would you seek professional help about his emotional development brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau baseball re all time best players in article 1993apr15 162313 154828 ns1 cc lehigh edu jsr2 ns1 cc lehigh edu john stephen randolph writes in article 1993apr13 115313 17986 bsu ucs 00mbstultz leo bsuvc bsu edu writes ive recently been working on project to determine the greatest players at their respective postions my sources are total baseball james historical abstract the ballplayers biography word of mouth and my own biased opinions feel free to comment suggest flame whatever but i tried to be as objective as possible using statistical data not inlcuded for time conviences sake i judged on rel ba adj ops total average fielding range runs total player rating total baseball stolen bases for curiositys sake tpr 150 g and years played mvp 3b 1 mike schmidt 2 ed matthews one t in eddie mathews 3 george brett 4 wade boggs 5 ron santo 6 brooks robinson 7 frank baker 8 darrell evans 9 pie traynor 10 ray dandridge how can brooks be 6 i think he would at least be ahead of ron santo because a small advantage in fielding ability comes nowhere near making up for the large difference in hitting their average seasons using their combined average 656 ab bb per 162 games years ab h r 2b 3b hr rbi tb bb avg obp slg ops santo 14 10 577 160 81 26 5 24 94 268 79 277 366 464 830 robinson 17 55 607 162 70 27 4 15 77 243 49 267 325 401 726 fielding we have per 162 games at third years p a dp e pct santo 13 15 149 348 30 24 954 robinson 17 72 152 350 35 15 971 even if robinsons extra 3 putouts 2 assists and 5 dps are taken to mean he was responsible for 10 more outs in the field that doesnt make up for the extra 28 outs he made at the plate not to mention the fewer total bases the difference of 104 in ops should be decreased by about 025 to account for wrigley but a 079 difference is still considerable the thorn palmer ratings are adjusted adjusted stolen fielding total production batting runs base runs runs rating santo 123 284 14 137 41 7 robinson 105 52 5 151 19 8 26 3 usual disclaimers about t ps fr apply but they really shouldnt be way off the mark in this comparison at least its better than fielding percentage carney lansford has a 966 10th best all time but 225 fr dead last of all time also since this total rating compares players to league average instead of replacement level robinson should be awarded an extra 6 5 or so for playing 653 more games he had a great career but i would prefer santos plus 4 years of a replacement level 3bman but i would knock traynor off the list and replace him by stan hack thats a similar story hacks far better hitting outweighs traynors superior fielding graig nettles and buddy bell would also be better choices imho of course though some recent net discussion supports this point of view cf 7 andre dawson shouldnt that be right field bob holt rjh allegra att com cars re waxes polishes in article 1993apr27 172335 23392 magnus acs ohio state edu bbarnard magnus acs ohio state edu bret d barnard writes with spring upon us its time to start waxing again i was wondering if anyone had any suggestions about waxes and polishes i know carnuba wax is often recommended on the net but i was wondering about the colored waxes to cover up some minor scratches do the colored waxes give on overall good quality shine are they good for the paint or clear coat what about liquid glass is it a clear polish which dries clear thus filling scratches is it good for the paint clear coat please post with both good and bad experiences and hey lets name names brands here all gimmicks stick with plain ol carnauba wax thats non abrasive eagle 1 meguiars turtle wax and a few others are good examples the colored waxes just color in the scratches so theyre not so apparent the better approach is to buff minor scratches completely off with a cleaner mild abrasive never tried liquid glass although i still have this sample they sent me a few years back aaron baseball ugliest stance was re ugliest swing in article c5thz3 lr4 world std com tac world std com tackey chan writes ugliest swing i am not sure i think the ugliset stance is jolio franco of the ranger i wonder how that bat comes around in time to hit the ball it looks bad but hey it get the job done tac ugliest stance of all time has to go to oscar gamble the man would practically kneel in front of home plate in order to have a small strike zone hes just lucky that strike zone size isnt determined by how big your afro is im outta here like vladimir alan baseball re ugliest stance i dont know i think phil plantier has the ugliest stance he looks like hes sitting on the toilet brian tbo rosen windows wanted a tt font creator package free im looking for a way to get our company logo onto documents and figure the easiest way is to put it into a font are there any public domain programs that can do this is there any shareware that will do this any help is appreciated paul paul wilson 416 698 3649 pwilson gandalf ca medicine re help for kidney stones in article c697ij iua srgenprp sr hp com jeffs sr hp com jeff silva writes pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu wrote move a little the pain will be excrutiating i was told by my doctor at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth yes by a male doctor so im sure some of you women will disagree id really like to know the truth in this so maybe some of you women who have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in ive had neither a baby nor a kidney stone but according to my aunt who has had plenty of both a kidney stone is worse barbara guns re s414 brady bill loopholes in article shepardc5p2y6 gc1 netcom com shepard netcom com mark shepard writes hi ive just finished reading s414 and have several questions about the brady bills s414 and hr1025 good 1 are these the current versions of the brady bill what is the status of these bills ive heard theyre in committee how close is that to being made law not very thanks to the filibuster in the senate things are backing up the house judiciary is going to start looking at our friends from the atf so that bill will be held up a little too note things can change quickly 2 s414 and hr1025 seem fairly similar are there any important differences i missed 3 s414 seems to have some serious loopholes a s414 doesnt specify an appeals process to wrongful denial during the waiting period other than a civil lawsuit s414 has an appeals process once the required instant background check system is established but not before i thought there was a correction process in both bills for both parts b the police are explicitly not liable for mistakes in denying approving using existing records so who would i sue in a above to have an inaccurate record corrected very correct c s414 includes an exception to waiting period clause for if a person can convince the local chief law enforcement officer cleo of an immediate threat to his or her life or life of a household member but s414 doesnt say exactly what is considered a threat nor does it place a limit on how long the cleo takes to issue an exception statement welcome to the world of the privileged true have i misunderstood any other holes how about no compulsion to allow purchase if there is no evidence against 4 with just s414 whats to stop a person with a clean record from buying guns grinding off the serial numbers and selling them to crooks at minimum what additional laws are needed to prevent this it is already illegal to do this seems at min a gun counting scheme would be needed e g john doe owns n guns so if s414 passes i wouldnt be surprised to see legislation for stricter harder to forge i d s plus national gun registration justified by a need to make the brady bill work this is the health card or so some paranoids claim i say that just because youre paranoid doesnt mean theyre not out to get you 1 2 please comment im mainly interested in specific problems with the current legislation i dont mean to start a general discussion of the merits of any all waiting period bills ever proposed dillon pyron the opinions expressed are those of the ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated 214 462 3556 when im here 214 492 4656 when im home texans vote no on robin hood we need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions not gestures padi dm 54909 cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico in article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu david g wonnacott writes im considering switching to geico insurance i got numerous complaints about geico and several helpful pointers to other good insurance companies i have decided to go with the erie insurance exchange which seems to combine high ratings from the net and consumer reports with low rates at least for me thanks for all the responses medicine re tuberculosis in article 1993mar25 085526 914 news wesleyan edu rginzberg eagle wesleyan edu ruth ginzberg writes but ill be damned his rights to be sick to fail to treat his disease to spread it all over the place were indeed preserved happy several years ago i tried to commit a patient who was growing salmonella out of his stool blood and an open ulcer for treatment the idea was that the guy was a walking public health risk and that forcing him to receive iv antibiotics for a few days was in the public interest i will make a long story short by saying that the judge laughed at my idea yelled at me for wasting his time and let the guy go i found out that tuberculosis appears to be the only medical as oppsed to psychiatric condition that one can be committed for and this is because very specific laws were enacted many years ago regarding tb i am certain these vary from state to state any legal experts out there to help us on this km windows re procomm plus for windows problems jeff meyers jmeyers ecst csuchico edu wrote in article 1qkqrhinnobc matt ksu ksu edu kentiler matt ksu ksu edu kent p iler writes i have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here using procomm plus for windows but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the modem he has a 14 400 modem on a 486 50 mhz machine tell him he probably needs to upgrade to a faster video card my 9600 baud modem was one of the reasons i sought out the diamond speedstar 24x i get about 7 million winmarks on my 386 25 and it just about keeps up with the modem speed using procomm plus for windows too he should get over 10 million on his machine with the same card anything 10 should yield acceptable speed im using pc plus at home on my trusty old nec 386 sx 20 with a 14 400 baud modem with no problems at all i am however running only straight 16 color vga christopher menzel internet cmenzel tamu edu philosophy texas a m university phone 409 845 8764 college station tx 77843 4237 fax 409 845 045 cars re mr2 noisy engine yeah it seems toyota has always had a problem with those 2 2s and sound i know the celicas with em were pretty noisey and the mr2s were no exception now about large displacement 4s with bad noise i have a 90 grand am h o quad 4 and it sounds really good almost like a larger 6 now toyota is coming out with an all new celica next year and the mr2 well who knows later chris religion 25 apr 93 gods promise in psalm 56 4 in god whose word i praise in god i trust i will not be afraid what can mortal man do to me psalm 56 4 niv cars insurance rates on performance cars summary i recently posted an article asking what kind of rates single male drivers under 25 yrs old were paying on performance cars heres a summary of the replies i received im not under 25 anymore but is 27 close enough 1992 dodge stealth rt twin turbo 300hp model no tickets no accidents own a house have taken defensive driving 1 airbag abs security alarm single 1500 year 500 decut state farm insurance this includes the additional 100 for the 1 000 000 umbrella policy over my car and house the base policy is the standard 100 000 100 000 300 000 policy required in de after 2nd defensive driving course it will be 5 less i bought the car in september 1992 the company i was with never had and accident or ticket in 11 years quoted me 2 500 hope this helps steve flynn university of delaware 45 kevin hope i remembered your name correctly you asked about insurance for performance cars well last year i was in a similar situation before i bought my car and made the same inquiry as you age 24 then and now car 1992 eagle talon tsi awd driving record clean state illinois cost 820 6 mos i turn 25 in may and the insurance goes down to 520 6 mos also im single and that incurs a higher rate with my company ive got a couple other friends w awds and they pay more than i do different ins companies also so maybe im just lucky hope the info helps dan dans jdc gss mot com motorola cellular subscriber group 38 usa cc im 23 live in norman oklahoma drive an 89 thunderbird sc have never made a claim against my insurance though i have been hit several times by negligent drivers who couldnt see stop signs or were fiddling with their radios and i have had three moving violations in the last 18 months one for going 85 in a 55 one for failure to clear an intersection i still say the damn light was yellow and one for going 35 in a 25 which didnt go on my record my rates from state farm with a passive restraint deduction on liability 500 deductible comprehensive and 500 deductible collision are roughly 1300 year i was paying just over 1100 year for a 92 escort lx james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven 61 i am beyond the under 25 age group but i have an experience a few years ago that might be interesting to you i owned a 1985 toyota celica gt i decided to buy myself a gift a more exotic car front runners included the toyota supra turbo and the porsche 924 1987 model years i narrowed it down to those two i liked the simplicity and handling and snob appeal too of driving a porsche the supra turbo was less money and had more features and performance almost a personal luxury car it had better acceleration and a higher top speed than the 924 i was almost ready to give in to a buying impulse for the 924 but i decided to stop by my insurance agents office on the way i asked about what would happen to my rate with either car if you buy the supra your rate classification will be the same as the celica the 85 celica was considered a subcompact and for that year was rated as one of the safest cars with a slight increase because the car will be 2 years newer our lower risk division will continue to handle your account if you buy the porsche 924 well have to change you to the standard higher rate company and your rate will double and if you go with a 944 its another story again well cover the rest of this year but cancel you after that but the supra is much faster than the 924 and the 924 is actually faster than the standard 944 that doenst make sense thats what the book says we dont insure corvettes either for some reason the underwriters consider supras and their drivers as very traditional and conservative i eventually went with the supra for a number of reasons the porsche dealer had a nice salesman to get me interested but a tough high pressure guy in the back room at equal monthly payments it would have taken a year longer to pay for the porsche plus its higher insurance i concluded that the high insurance was related to probability of auto theft everyones entitled to my opinion goldberg oasys dt navy mil imagination is more important than knowledge albert einstein 32 i live in idaho when i was 26 many years ago 10 years i bought a trans am new insurance was about 1300 year when i turned 26 it immediately dropped to 460 year i had not had any accidents before or after this was strictly an age change that same rate stayed pretty much the same until i sold the car 2 years ago my f 150 pickup is about 80 year less the real amazing thing is that when i woke up at age 25 i felt so much more responsible than i was before wes 21 for your information california male single under 25 no moving violation alfa spider 2000 year what a bargain 28 lets see im 24 single male clean driving record i have a 92 vw corrado vr6 i live in san jose california i pay 1500 a year through allstate a good deal if you ask me i was thinking about getting a talon but i think the insurance is higher for a turbo sports car vs a v6 w 27 1986 honda crx si clean record in a small new mexico town was around 800 per year age 24 nearby city rates were 1 5x 2x higher than where ive got mine insured robert robert stack institute of transportation studies univ of california irvine stack translab its uci edu 92 mazda protege lx 37 1300 per year 1992 saturn sc 21 years old state new mexico insurance state farm 64 here is my info car 89 toyota celica st insurance co farmers insurance yearly insurance 2028 age 24 date of license oct 14 1992 residence mountain view california no moving violations for now atleast hope this helps please post a summary if possible vijay vijay anisetti email anisetti informix com apt 415 962 0320 off 415 926 6547 38 single 24 years old eagle talon turbo awd 1200 full cover reasonable liability no tickets no violations no accidents knock on wood mass one thing that makes a huge difference in mass is the town you live in im personally in one of the best towns within reasonable distance of boston if i moved to the absolute best it would go down to about 1150 if i moved to the worst it would be 2000 also one accident and a couple of tickets would probably add another 600 rv 43 i have a 1990 mitsubishi eclipse turbo awd am 23 years old and have no tickets that went on my record i live in illinois just outside of chicago and pay 1560 a year with full coverage at state farm i did get a small discount because of my alarm system 30 a year i only live 15 miles from chicago but if i actually lived in the city the price would be about 2000 a year 41 im over 25 but in case youre interested anyway im insuring a 93 sho for 287 6 month thats 100k personal 300k total 100k property with 250 deductible glass and towing state farm 39 unless you are under 20 or have been driving for less than 5 years i think you are being seriously ripped off i dont have one of the performance cars you listed but if your record is clean then you should not be paying over 2k did you try calling all the insurance dealers you could find although rates are supposed to be standardized ive found that most places i initially call give me some ridiculously high quote and finaly i hit one that is much lower also i have changed insurance companies when the rate went up at renewal no accidents tickets car gets older to maintain a low rate you always have to be careful when it comes to insurance companies 8 good luck serge windows re challenge to microsoft supporters since i started this twist of this thread kdb teer13 acpub duke edu kurt bollacker writes i believe that enough is inferior to make it overall as a product inferior to its competition apple system 7 os 2 2 0 nextstep 3 0 unix xwindows pick your favorite flavor in other words it is your opinion that msw3 1 is inferior to its competition thats not the same as msw3 1 being objectively inferior no it is technically inferior to the os guis that i listed i have already described why to say briefly actually you fell into the above because you said i believe if you had used the rest of this post in your previous post i do not think anyone would have agrued with you system 7 easier to learn and use there have been independent studies to that effect os 2 can run msw applications and has more stable multitasking nextstep easier to learn use and program more stable multitasking unix x as easy to learn and use more stable multitasking the following three are not the competition for windows 3 0 imho of course system 7 does not currently run on intel boxes nextstep rather expensive should be a competitor to windows nt not 3 x unix x with the exception of os 2 all of the above will require most users to spend a very large sum of money to upgrade applications to ones that run under these oss and basically money speaks louder than anything else you keep saying more stable multitasking is what you mean not multi finder gem geoworks co operative multi tasking but real honest to goodness prioritized pre emptive multi tasking with the prpoer setup all of these will exchange data with msw machines as well as msw machines will amongst themselves so interoperability is not an issue basically this is moot since most users have been able to share data for quite a long time but are still to blind to know it by this criterion it is inferior if you have another then perhaps i am incorrect do you pick up the glove why pick it up you stated the reasons behind your opinions stated them in a very straight forward though over protective manner and aside from my earlier comments about who actually is a competitor i think we are in agreement does tim glauert agree lets wait and see disclaimer the opinions expressed are mine not those of bnr brian ws1s st tt user developer if i wanted a computer to play games bell northern research on id buy an amiga however i have research triangle park nc real work to do so please get lost medicine re placebo effects to turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin rt o those administering the treatment do not know which subjects rt receive a placebo or the test treatment it seems to me that many drugs have such severe side effects that it might not be possible to keep the doctors from knowing who is getting the true drug this is especially true of the drugs used for mental illnesses my cat is very smart he has me well trained origin one world los angeles 310 372 0987 32b 1 102 129 0 medicine re eugenics thanks to tarl neustaedter of ma for kindly letting me know that my reference in prior post to orwell and 1984 should probably have been to huxley and brave new world sorry al bob ruegg med unc edu medicine re eugenics in article 19617 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes probably within 50 years a new type of eugenics will be possible should we do this should we make a race of disease free long lived arnold schwartzenegger muscled supermen even if we can gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon two thoughts i think that psychologically it will be easier for the next generation to accept genetic manipulation it seems that people frown upon messing with nature ignoring our eons old practice of doing just that any new human intervention is arrogance and hubris and manipulation we routinely do is natural and certainly not a big deal most interesting human traits will probably be massively polygenetic and be full of trade offs in addition without a positive social environment for the cultivation of genetic gifts having them wont be the advantage its made out to be some people will certainly pursue it as if it is the grail but we know how most of those quests turn out chris schaeffer windows windows errors and a bad memory hi my last question for the year i have a mail order no name notebook with 4 meg ram i never have problems with my huge ramdisk or when running desqview but win3 1 and w4w2 0 constantly crash on me most commonly citing a memory parity error the only thing i can do is turn off and re boot my cmos ticks off counts all the memory every startup and there is never a problem with this either could it be a bug in my windows copy instead of the hardware i remember having some disk error problems when installing it is there any change i could make to lessen the frequency or likelyhood of this happening i think win vs win s produce different crashes but both crash frequently nonetheless i know this is a pain but please answer by email because my home account doesnt have rn and i will stop asking questions now thank you chet pager chetter ucthpx uct ac za guns ohio legislative alert h b 278 ohio house of representative tueday april 6 1993 h b no 278 representative beatty to ammend section 2923 11 2923 17 and 2923 20 and to enact n 2923 181 of the revised code to expand the defintion of dangerous ordinance to include military weapons that do not use bolt action to increase the penalty for a violation of the prohibtion against possesion of dangerous ordinance to prohibit any person from acquiring a military weapon on or after the actseffective date to require the licensure of military weapons acquired for a proper purpose prior to the acts effective date to prohibit a person from importing manufacturing or selling a military weapon and to declare an emergency as of monday april 12 1993 h b 278 had not been assigned to a committee introduced as an emergency measure if this passes there is no chance for a reforendum and would go into effect immediately as opposed to the state requirement of 90 days before a law goes into effect larry cipriani l v cipriani att com medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition as nobody in the food industry has even bothered to address my previous question why do you need to put msg in almost every food i must assume that my wifes answer is closer to the truth than i hoped it was she believes that msg is added to food to cause people to eat more of it and not quit when they shoud be sated to put it a different way she believes that for some people msg causes them to act toward food like an addict eat all the chips chow down on several packages of noodle soup you get the idea if she is right then the moral and ethical standards of the food chemical and regulatory groups need to be addressed can msg be considered a conditioning substance not addictive but sort of habit forming this brings up a side question of mine i have noticed that cats my childrens and my parents seem to fixate on a particular brand of pet food the cat will eat any product within one brand and not any other brand i have wondered if this is not a case of preference but some sort of chemical training or addiction my questions for the net are does the fda regulate the contents of pet food is it allowed for pet food to contain addictive or conditioning substances is msg put in pet food i speak for myself and not motorola walter lundby cars re water in trunk of 89 probe the rubber drain plugs under my carpet in my mazda glc leaked like the ones are doing under your spare in the probe i tooke them out and put some silicone sealant on them and put them back in medicine re krillean photography holfeltz lstc2vm stortek com writes as you know all ready it is the pattern in the bioplasmic energy field that is significant no i didnt already know that ive never even heard of a bioplasmic energy field care to explain it its been a few years since my last fields class so i may have forgotten or maybe i skipped that day anyway as ross perot said im all ears well eyes in this case grant edwards yow is something violent rosemount inc going to happen to a garbage can grante aquarius rosemount com cars re the 1994 mustang in article c64mux bpr constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article c5zzd8 1kt mentor cc purdue edu marshatt feserve cc purdue edu zauberer writes disclamer this is not a flame if you anger easily please go on petebre elof iit edu brenta peterson writes the next mustang will be fords highest profile car it attracts way more attention than the camaro firebird because its heritage is more embedded in the general public dont lie to yourself and believe ford will forfeit that fyi they already did oh really when too bad that the current mustang cant even compete with the new camaro without using an active imagination the 93 mustang cobra can check it out so you think a 93 mustang cobra can match the performance of a new z28 interesting belief craig who neither owns nor wants to own any gm or ford product craig guns re rewording the second amendment ideas chemical weapons are not concidered a very effectiv weapon against millitary forces on civillians on the other hand thats one good reason for banning it you need vast amounts of chemicals to be affective so the best reason to have use it is price thats why its called the poor mans a bomb any thoughts on bio weapons if this discusion is about civillians having chem weapons what should they use them on rob a bank this is not a signature its merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil internet thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no medicine re need info on circumcision medical cons and pros texx ossi com texx writes scene navy boot camp di son you smel awful dont you ever clean that thing recruit no sir di why the hell not recruit your not sposed to touch down there di why recruit cause thats the eye of god down there an your not sposed to touch it this did not happen 40 years ago it happened 2 years ago i think americans are quite hung up about sex and the involved plumbing cute anecdote but hardly indicative of the population from the responses ive received to that post all from men by the way i get the impression that unless a person is willing to drop down and masturbate whenever the need or desire strikes then that person is very hung up on sex with tv programs about boobs seinfeld and masturbation again seinfeld and with condoms being handed out in high schools and with the teenage pregnancy rate and the high abortion rate here in the states i would not assume that we americans are frightened of sex rather we are a bit stupid about it healthy sexuality does not require flamboyance or promiscuity it requires responsibility deantha cars plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences another user recently requested info about the shadow sundance cars but i havent seen any public responses what are peoples experiences with these cars daryl daryl biberdorf n5gjm d biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura guns re batf fbi revenge hmmm i hadnt heard about rockets atf must be escalating their tall tails anyway if they had rocket launchers and such as the press and gov claims why shouldnt they have done something why should they have done something the davidians had not attacked or even threatened anyone what possible use would a religious cult have for a rocket launcher it is not yours nor the governments right to tell others what they have a legitimate right to own also is child abuse covered by the bill of rights is child abuse now within the jurisdiction of the department of the treasury attacking citizens without due process on the strength of unsubstantiated rumors about a violation of a law which does not fall under your jurisdiction is a pretty serious breech of rights shit if people dont get what they want right away there is an instant problem clinton has only been in office for a few months give him a chance to get something done the guy had a lot of shit thrown in his lap in the beginning give him a chance to work on things a little as they say rome wasnt built in a day if he gets any more done we will really be in trouble mike windows re diamond ss24x win 3 1 mouse cursor in 1993apr15 204845 24939 nlm nih gov dabl2 nlm nih gov don a b lindbergh writes anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the diamond 1024x768x256 driver sorry dont know the version of the driver no indication in the menus but its a recently delivered gateway system am going to try the latest drivers from diamond bbs but wondered if anyone else had seen this sporadically yes it seems to flicker or change shape into snow briefly not enough to impair functionality just call attention to diamonds professional sloppiness rob rob kudla acm rpi edu keywords oldfield janes leather yes win3 1 phish light blue right bondage r e m dtp steely dan ds9 fnm owl genesis in the spaceship the silver spaceship the lion takes control windows re diamond ss 24x in article 1993apr22 085129 554 condor navsses navy mil zimm condor navsses navy mil writes greetings ive had a bunch of problems with the 24x opening a dos window on the desktop can occasionally result in the windows blowing up into a set of horizontal lines hashing the entire desktop nothing can recover this except to completely exit from windows the other irritating problem is that windows that scroll often overwrite lines rather than actually i posted a similar query and got these replies which i am testing so far so good turn hardware scrolling off before going into windows 24xmode scrolloff in the pif file for dos window set emulate text mode get the latest drivers from the diamond bbs or cica dates are 1 20 9 steve chesney slc catherine cim cdc com metaphase technology inc 612 482 4662 voice 4233 north lexington avenue 612 482 4001 fax arden hills mn 55126 guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu bill green writes what i would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident i believe the moves made were right and proper but i still have some problems with some of the tactics after watching the abc special on it tonight as well as cnn and nightline i question some of the atf and fbi actions my god a sane person somebody asking intelligent questions rather than spouting of unsubstantiated drivel and making comparisons to nazi germany i question along with others the initial raid by the atf there are some definite questions needing answers 1 could it have been possible to have taken koresh outside the compound at some time before the feb 28th raid probably which is why there are so many people angry at the initial confrontation why attack a compound with as many people in that compound who are willing to die for their leader further they attacked in the daylight hours without proper backup medical support etc that was rather stupid 2 could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome this i doubt while i question the atfs initial raid i believe that the remainder of the standoff was handled fairly well with the single exception of the psychological warfare by blaring music etc i think that was uncalled for and probably hindered the outcome 3 were fbi actions blaring loudspeakers etc the right course of action see above and a few other questions like i said i believe the actions taken in general were proper but i still have some reservations agreed one other point im no fan of janet reno but i do like the way she had the balls to go ahead and take full responsibility seems like the waffle boy had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue which is actually rather refreshing nowadays most of the time the higher ups claim i dont remember or i had no involvement michael g larish amateur radio callsign kd6ctz nomad ecst csuchico edu golden empire amateur radio society gears w6rhc california state chico state amateur radio society csars university chico butte county sheriffs search rescue 317 windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article sundaram 737186206 msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu divya sundaram writes jenk microsoft com jen kilmer writes much bs deleted for brevity again my point was that not all microsofties are here to sell readers on our products which would conflict with the no ads philosophy of usenet nor do we necessarily have access to info that others have it certainly smacks of that remember the poll that you quoted saying that you had seen a 95 of users being satisfied with dos 6 0 care to recall how unbiased the sample set was that post sure looked like fud and coming from a microsoftie well it sure seemed like something was not on level if i recall jen said right up front how the sample set was derived wheres the fud advocacy is good but spreading fud to advocate your favorite os is very unethical especially when you have a vested interest in the success of that os does this mean i can flame you if i ever see you doing it face it the advocacy groups are for the kind of things that youre preaching against this is why they were created in the first place to filter out all the crap from the newsgroups that might contain real information phil nothing i have posted here is in any way shape or form official microsoft policy or opinion and should not be represented as such when quoted here or in any other forum philipla microsoft com medicine new method for diagnosing alzheimers disease discovered here is a press release from huntington medical research institutes new method for diagnosing alzheimers disease discovered at huntington medical research institutes results to be reported to national desk health writer contact john lockhart or belinda gerber 310 444 7000 or 800 522 8877 for the huntington medical research institutes los angeles april 28 a new method for diagnosing and measuring chemical imbalances in the brain which lead to alzheimers disease and other dementias has been discovered by researchers at the huntington medical research institutes hmri in pasadena calif results of their research will be reported in the may issue of the scientific journal radiology using an advanced form of magnetic resonance imaging mri called magnetic resonance spectroscopy mrs a research team led by brian d ross m d d phil conducted a study on 21 elderly patients who were believed to be suffering from some form of dementia the exams used standard mri equipment fitted with special software developed at hmri called clinical proton mrs clinical proton mrs is easily applied giving doctors confirmatory diagnoses in less than 30 minutes an automated version of clinical proton mrs called proton brain examination probe reduces the examination time yet further providing confirmatory diagnoses in less than 10 minutes by comparison the current standard of care in testing for alzheimers disease calls for lengthy memory function and neuropsychological tests which can be very upsetting to the patient are not definitive and can only be confirmed by autopsy in addition to alzheimers disease the new clinical proton mrs exam may have applications in diagnosing other dementias including aids related dementia parkinsons disease and huntingtons disease weve developed a simple test which can be administered quickly and relatively inexpensively using existing mri equipment fitted with either the mrs or probe software said dr ross adding this will help physicians to diagnose alzheimers earlier and intervene with therapeutics before the progression of the disease causes further damage to the delicate inner workings of the brain dr ross and his hmri team measured a family of chemicals in the brain known as inositols and myo inositol mi acted as a marker in the study in comparison to healthy patients those diagnosed with alzheimers showed a 22 percent increase in mi while their level of another chemical called n acetylaspartate naa was significantly lower indicating a loss of brain stimulating neurons believed to be associated with the progression of the disease current drug therapy for alzheimers disease is widely considered to be inadequate this is attributable dr ross believes to the theory that alzheimers is caused by an interruption in the transmission of the chemical acetylcholine to the nerve cells this belief has been adhered to over the last 15 years and consequently most drugs to treat alzheimers were based on the changing receptors for acetylcholine physicians have a real need for a test to differentiate alzheimers from other dementias to provide the patient and his or her family with a firm diagnosis and to monitor future treatment protocols for the treatment of this disease for this reason we consider this test a major advancement in medicine said bruce miller m d a noted neurologist at harbor ucla mrs researcher and a co author of the study other members of the hmri research team included rex a moats ph d truda shonk b s thomas ernst ph d and suzanne woolley r n the probe software can be fitted on the approximately 1 200 general electric mri units currently in use in the united states and will be configured for other manufacturers mri units soon for interviews with dr ross advance copies of the radiology may issue and other information please contact john lockhart or belinda gerber for hmri at 310 444 7000 or 800 522 8877 q a on alzheimers disease what is alzheimers disease and how is it caused alzheimers disease ad is an incurable degenerative disease of the brain first described in 1906 by the german neuropathologist alois alzheimer as the disease progresses it leads to loss of memory and mental functioning followed by changes in personality loss of control of bodily functions and eventually death how many people does it affect alzheimers disease affects an estimated 4 million adults in the united states and is the fourth leading cause of death taking approximately 100 000 lives each year while alzheimers debilitates its victims it is equally devastating both emotionally and financially for patients families ad is the most common cause of dementia in adults symptoms worsen every year and death usually occurs within 10 years of initial onset what are its signs and symptoms although the cause of ad is not known two risk factors have been identified advanced age and genetic predisposition the risk of developing ad is less than one percent before the age of 50 yars old but increases steeply in each successive decade of life to reach 30 percent by the age of 90 in patients with familial ad immediate family relatives have a 50 percent chance of developing ad one of its first symptoms is severe forgetfulness caused by short term memory loss dr herman weinreb of the school of medicine at new york university says whether forgetfulness is a serious symptom or not is largely a matter of degree and suggests the following criteria forgetting the name of someone you see infrequently is normal forgetting the name of a loved one is serious forgetting where you left your keys is normal forgetting how to get home is serious doctors suggest that people with severe symptoms should be evaluated in order to rule out alzheimers disease and other forms of dementia 30 canada remote systems toronto ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044 windows windows shareware monthly information windows shareware monthly wsm is an on line forum for information about the newest and best windows 3 x and nt shareware 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the first ten advertisements submitted each month will be included subsequent submissions will not be included due to size constraints wsm is currently looking for persons willing to devote the time to author columns within wsm a c c programing section a visual basic section and two windows specific opinion advice columns are envisioned all work will be on a voluntary basis if you wish to aid wsm and author a monthly column on one of the above topics please send us mail at daa7365 tamuts tamu edu or diegoaa on america online the first edition of wsm will be distributed may 1st via america online compuserve and the internet the deadline for submissions is april 28th the first edition filename will be wsm 1 zip with each subsequent monthly release continuing in the series naming convention wsm 2 zip etc each edition will be released on the first of each month and the deadline for submission will be at least three days before release guns re arlen specters address in article 1993apr22 142540 20687 icd ab com kdw icd ab com kenneth d whitehead writes anybody got arlen spectres address i want to write to him and thank him for showing the leadership to demand a congressional investigation into the waco mess ken you are talking about the man who as a federal attorney did so much to frustrate the proper investigation of the jfk assassination by the house sub committee on assassinations fox and hen house joe gaut in the super state it really does not f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter at all what actually happened remember the alamo truth is what the government chooses to remember waco tell you justice is what it wants to happen jim garrison new orleans la religion re question for those with popular morality hudson yes you do who is to say that it is immoral for onesself to experience pain or to be hurt in some other way maybe unpleasant but that doesnt say anything about morality it violates free will hudson me you can derive the immorality of hurting someone else entirely from selfish motives i can say for example that it is wrong to hurt other people because that makes them less productive members of society hudson why is making someone a less productive member of society immoral hudson you are screwing up again morality does not i say again does not define only right and wrong it also defines acceptable social behavior without any overtones of good and evil picking up your trash is not really a right wrong moral issue in the eternal sense of good and evil yet it is moral in the sense that it is acceptable social behavior your definition of the word morality is what is causing you to trip over yourself here me and since i selfish being that i am want to maximize my gains from society i will not do anything to another member of society if that action might cut down on how much benefit i can derive from society hudson why is your benefit somehow related to morality again your definition is causing you to shoot yourself in the foot hudson what about if someone feels that their own personal benefit is enhanced more than it would be damaged by depleting the overall resources of society maybe something might hurt society but it would help him immensly that is irrational thinking there may also be people out there who think that death by atomic destruction is a sublime and wonderful thing i am not going to let them execute that idea just because they want to do it simply because i let people make up their minds about what morals they have doesnt prevent me from spotting and stopping a madman when i see one hudson and even then i will only stop him when he interferes with me and my life that is the difference between me and you you want to interfere in peoples lives even when they arent affecting you hudson the central character in dostoevskys novel crime and punishment r something or other reasoned that if killed this old jewish woman and stole her money to educate and establish himself financially he could make a great contribution to society he reasoned that she was not of much profit to society she just collected rents and hoarded money one of the central points of any thats any moral system is that is has to be internally consistent by killing her the character had to accept the premise that the ends justify the means if he accepted that premise then in order to be consistent he must accept the idea that some day another person may apply the same standard to his life now if he is unwilling to accept this premise which he will not be willing to accept then he has behaved inconsistently with his own moral standard me football example deleted hudson now suppose a freshman on the bench will only get to play if one of the players in the field on the court is injured or killed this freshman wants to play in the big game so a talent scout can see him if he hurts a player on the team it might slightly lessen the chances of the team to win but he might gain great personal benefit so operating on purely selfish immorally selfish motives he arranges for a sniper to shoot a team player in the leg he gets to play in front of the talent scout did that freshman behave morally selfish intentions may sometimes generate apparently moral actions but not always two problems right off the bat 1 the problem with your analogy is that it doesnt address the goal that i started with winning the game playing in front of the talent scout winning the game try creating the same analogy and keep the ultimate goal the same will you 2 the internal consistency question is also not addressed if the freshman wants to do this to other people then he has to accept the fact that it may happen to him one day if he is unwilling then he has violated his own moral standard religion re part 1 and part 2 re homosexuality in article m0njxcg 0000vec juts ccc amdahl com rich bellacera amail amdahl com writes perhaps you dont get it and maybe you never will many didnt get it in the middle ages and the proclaimed gods will be done as they massacred thousands in witch hunts and inquisitions there were many injustices in the middle ages and this is truely sad i would hate to see a day when churches put people to death or torchured them for practicing homosexuality or any other crime the church is not called to take over the governments of the world it may be that homosexuals treated cruelly today but that does not mean that we should teach christians to practice homosexual immorality do you think that we should also teach christians to practice divination and channelling because the witches in the middle ages were persecuted the major flaw in all this posturing is that in the end the final effect of posts like that of yours and mr hudson is that you have a conditional love for gays condition change and well love you this is sure strange coming from a group who claim that god has an unconditional love one that calls people just as they are and you accuse me of judging when did you look into my heart and see if i have love i have been writing that we should not teach christians to practice homosexual immorality and you pretend to have divine knowledge to look into my heart i cant say that i love homosexuals as i should i cant say that i love my neighbor as i should either i dont know very many homosexuals as it is but jesus loves homosexuals just as he loves everyone else if his love were conditional i not know him at all yes we should show love to homosexuals but it is not love to encourage brothers in the church to stumble and continue in their sin that is a very damaging and dangerous thing the results of the passing amendment in colorado has created an organization whos posters are appearing all over colorado called s t r a i g h t i forget the whole definition off hand but the last part was against immoral gross homosexual trash and their motto is working for a fag free america with an implicit advocation for violence this is sick and it seems to be what you and mr hudson and others are embracing that is slander i could just as easily say that nambla has been able to implement legislation to make child molesting easier because of the tearing down of societies morality due to people accepting homosexuality as normal and that this is what you are embracing i do believe that homosexual sex is immoral that does not mean i endorse using violence against them there is a problem of hatred in the church but there is also the problem of what has been called unsanctified mercy many in the conservative churches have seen the moral breakdown in this country and the storm on the horizon and have gotten militant in the flesh this is truely sad yet others in other churches have embraced immorality in society and have pointed to the carnality in the conservative churches to justify their actions why dont we just stick to the positive and find ways to bring people to jesus istead of taking bullwhips and driving them away certainly we should not use a bullwhip to drive people from jesus but we shouldnt water down the gospel to draw people in jesus didnt go out of his way to show only what might be considered positive aspects to draw people in he told one man to sell all he had he told another not to say good bye to his family his words were hard at times we should present people with the cost of the tower before we allow them to begin construction many people have already been innoculated to the gospel link hudson whatever rich medicine insensitive technicians a friend was recently admitted to north carolina memorial hospital because of suspected meningitis serious business they wanted to do a lumbar puncture for which a ct scan is a prerequisite i arrived in her hospital room about an hour after she had returned from the ct she was in tears evidently the technicians in the ct lab had been very unpleasant to her to begin with they put her on the apparatus that moves you into the machine itself and just pushed a button to slide her straight into the machine without any explanation imagine this you worried you may have a deadly disease and next thing you know youre being put into this big scary machine without a word of explanation about what is going to happen to you i believe this is inexcusable she waved her hand as if to say what are you doing to me and they responded with annoyance and anger next they inserted or tried to insert an iv catheter apparently she has a lot of trouble with these and complained of the pain the technician just stopped and fixed her with a glare without any words of explanation is there anything i can do about these pigs i realize that these technicians do this sort of job day in and day out and that some patients can be very irritating and uncooperative but this is simply no excuse their purpose for existing is to help sick people and there is no excuse for this sort of behavior fortunately my friend is fine but i imagine a large proportion of the people who get ct scans are not fine at all they have cancer and that sort of thing they dont need this kind of shit also since i named the hospital involved i should also point out that neither she nor i have any complaints about the competence or compassion of any of the other personnel at ncmh thanks for listening john eyles jge cs unc edu cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx cbh windsurf scd ucar edu cris hannu writes in article 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes i am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines v4 i dont know of any v6 legend mr3 mr6 v8 dont know of any yeah right the bmw 8xx are v10s or v12s cant remember which the auto show was a while ago the 850 is a v12 5l from the 750il is there a 835 or 840 v12 jaguar xjs please add to the list thanks s ssave ole cdac com cris hannu windsurfing the high country cray research inc ncar boulder co cbh windsurf scd ucar edu chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area cars re the 1994 mustang in article gjg2001 220493224950 m248 103 bgsu edu gjg2001 andy bgsu edu greg gantzer writes in article 1993apr22 192652 3032 virginia edu jmm4h virginia edu the blade runner wrote i just have got to remind all of you that this is it yes thats right somtime this fall ford the granddaddy of cars will be introducing an all new mega cool way too fast for accord drivers mustang its supposed to be 100 streamlined looking similar to the mach iii concept car ford came out with around january i cant wait anyone out there hear anything about it recently yeah it looks like shit nothing like the mach iii check out the latest issue of popular mechanics they have a picture of one it looks like a cross between a dodge daytona and an eagle talon only much uglier this car looks like it should have been produced in 1990 not 1994 ill pick up that pm and have a look maybe the picture in there is not the actual car but a prototype i saw the mach iii and was not all that impressed it looked way too japanese for me the tear drop headlights reminded me of a nissan nx glad i didnt hold out for the 94 and bought a 93 maybe theyll work on the design a little bit listen to consumers and come out with nice looking 95 or 96 it always takes a while to work out the kinks in a new design e g the f body camaro firebirds btw the new camaros look like shit too keath milligan software engineer videotelecom corporation austin texas jkm vtel com reaper wixer bga com try real time communications 512 459 4391 or telnet wixer bga com baseball re jays darrin jackson is a nightmare in article c5smzy bde ra nrl navy mil klinker itd nrl navy mil eric klinker says dj was a popular player in san diego derek bell was not faring well in the clubhouse at toronto so no matter how bad he looks now i still think it was a steal for the jays just from the perspective of team chemistry no statistic can describe it sorry statheads and since there are so many new faces in the clubhouse i think the jays are still trying to find it insert the same comment into the jack morris v clemens ws ring string i laugh at you now and i will laugh at you again equally publicly when the jays finish third due to the severe depletion of their talent i think bill james put it best about sparky anderson abstract 1983 there are a million guys in this country with great attitudes but there are only about five hundred who can play a major league brand of baseball which are you going to take tom hyer medicine re arythmia alexis perry asked if low blood potassium could be dangerous yes zz cars help find stolen car i offered to relay this information for a ham friend of mine without internet access his name is robert bob wondolowski n1kda and his car was a 1985 brown cutlas sierra sedan massachusetts plate 716adl his ht yaesu ft415 and mobile antenna were also included in the car it was stolen from lynn mass about 10 days ago being on april 6 if anyone has any information about the cars whereabouts please e mail me thank you for taking the time to read this message scott ehrlich internet wy1z world std com amateur radio wy1z packet radio wy1z k1ugm ma usa na scott ehrlich internet wy1z world std com amateur radio wy1z packet radio wy1z k1ugm ma usa na religion re christian meta ethics russell turpin as is his wont has raised some interesting issues in his struggle with the christian texts and the christians unfortunately he seems to be hoping for simplicity where it is not available the lukewarm stew he detects may well be an inevitable result of the divine mixing himself up with a bunch of losers such as humanity also unfortunately perhaps i have a deadline in two weeks the responsibility for which prevents me in good conscience from writing a more considered response and fully entering the fray as it were let me then say what i can briefly the two commandments are rules they are merely rules that are so vague that they are practically devoid of meaning this point for the net browsers who also still read books is pursued throughly in kaufmann critique of religion and philosophy the commandment to love your neighbor as yourself can be viewed in part as reminding man that he is not god and cannot act as if he has ultimate responsibility this is a theological statement worthy of barth dr turpin dd may wear the black robe of geneva yet indeed many traditions present an interpretation where believers are supposed to interpret loving ones neighbor as following various other rules and relying on their god to make things come out right precisely because it would be wrong for man to assume such ultimate responsibility once again we are confronted with good sounding goo that means whatever the reader wants it to mean this requires the assumption that all interpretations are equally valid that there is no way of reasonably distinguishing among them i wouldnt make that assumption i dont think it is a reasonable assumption and who is to say that this interpretation is twisted there are many passages in the bible that in their most straightforward reading show the christian god behaving in just this way michael and i and others read the bible with christian glasses among the things that this should imply is that the nt informs the ot even to the point of dominanting it some points in the ot ceremonial dietary laws are explicitly abrogated by the nt texts to drive russell turpins point with adequacy one needs to begin with nt texts probably from matthew and probably about damnation just trying to help this part is i discover what most moves me to post mls i am a radical christian only in that i take the gospel seriously no michael the conservative christians also take the gospel seriously what differentiates you is the way you interpret the gospel russell turpins no here is misplaced not to say inappropriate michaels self description much govern the equation of radical liberal which seems implied by russell turpin is wrong radical conservatives are possible if sadly lacking in numbers at present thomas merton was a radical even though conservative in some ways st francis was a radical similarly how many examples are needed mls why dont i and the myriads of other christians like me mls tell you something about christianity michaels question gets to a heart of the matter klingons have two hearts so my metaphor is not mixed just extraterrestrial russell turpin in an earlier post had said that michael michaels theological positions actually didnt tell him much about christianity dean simeon responds this time gently what do you mean more direct perhaps would have been what could you possibly mean the implied rhetorical effort to separate michael from the tradition is a failure michael is in the tradition if your idea of the tradition doesnt include him change your idea of the tradition the irony here is that there is nothing in christianity per se that michael can use to support the cause of lesbians and gays how can one answer this while staying on the more general issue im on the other side of the interpretive fence from michael on this issue yet nothing is a hideous overstatement one verse is enough to refute it ill offer two from paul of all people in jesus christ there is neither male nor female galatians 3 28 i dont quote single verses as a rule and i dont carry them in my head and nothing shall separate us from the glory of god roughly from romans if russell would promise to convert based on these or any other verses id promise to get the full context for any that he requires in short it is the extra christian principles that make michaels christianity beneficial and i suspect they would be as beneficial perhaps moreso without being filtered by christian interpretation this conclusion does not follow even in short from the argument that goes before a surprising logical ellipsis dave davis ddavis ma30 bull com these are my opinions activities alone qotd wild beasts trapped in their cages are not so fierce as are the christians to each other julian the apostate c 361 windows re win nt what is it rmohns vax clarku edu writes windows nt is a giant windows operating system unline win3 1 it does not run on top of dos it is its own os with billy gates assures us true multi tasking multithreading meets dod security specs will run win3 1 programs as well as dos programs has multi processor support and is primarily a server program its overhead is too high for it to be economical for most users correction all billy is promising is that it will run most windows 3 1 programs and the major dos programs do not expect everything you have to run under nt unless all you have are current ms apps cars bmw parts greetings automobile enthusiasts can anyone tell me if there is a mail order company that sells bmw parts discounted cheaper than the dealerships sorry if its a faq email replies very much appreciated thanks jeff strait strait uicsl csl uiuc edu university of illinois phone 217 333 6444 if you ladies leave this island if you survive basic recruit training you will be a weapon a minister of death praying for war religion gods promise to the righteous ps 92 12 the righteous shall flourish like the palm tree isa 57 1 the righteous perisheth and no man layeth it to heart guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes mikey ccwf cc utexas edu strider writes according to an australian documentary made in the year before the stand off began koresh and his followers all believed he was christ koresh had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound these were the perfect children resulting from the great seed of his magnified horn ex members describe him in ways not dissimilar to the way jim jones has been described i dont know how accurate the documentary was however koresh was never convicted of any crimes against children nor was the batf after him for child abuse their purview in this case is strictly in firearms violations so this information is irrelevant to the discussion fbi agents have to pass rigorous psychological examinations and background checks plus those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain their decisions in great detail to congress why would the fbi want to fulfill koreshs own prophecy those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain something but whether their answers even remotely resembles the truth we may never know and who is left alive to care whether the prophecy is fulfilled it only holds meaning for the nine who survived correction the fbi said that two of the cult members said this so far no one else has been able to talk to them so when they talk to the news reporters directly and relate the same details will you believe them if they confirm the story i probably will definitely not until then however mike ruff this above all to thine own s t r i d e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self be true polonius those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin medicine need help in steroid research i am doing a term paper on steroids actually the scientist who helped crate the drug i discovered that joseph fruton is one of the researchers who helped create anabolic steroids the only information on this person i know is he was a biochemist that did research in the 1930s i already did research at my local libraries but i still need more information my instructor is requiring resources from the computer networks please write back concerning my subject any books articles etc will be appreciated baseball best first basemen don mattingly is the best first baseman in the history of baseball always has been always will be baseball re all time best players in article 1993apr15 125205 29853 aplcen apl jhu edu jmhodapp aplcomm jhuapl edu writes in article 1993apr14 173428 12056 princeton edu roger crux princeton edu roger lustig writes in article 1993apr13 115313 17986 bsu ucs 00mbstultz leo bsuvc bsu edu writes ive recently been working on project to determine the greatest players at their respective postions 2b career what about u johnny hodapp the greatest 2nd baseman in cleveland indians history 225 hits in 1930 consistantly over 300 a great great second baseman um the header said career hodapp managed about 3000 pa in his nine years in the majors as for his consistently over 300 make that three years in a row preceded by a part time year plus his last year with boston hodapp only qualified for the batting title five times was he injured he retired right around his 28th birthday anyway hodapp put up flashy numbers the year everybody put up flashy numbers that was his only really good year with a bat his other 300 years were marred by a lack of power and an inability to draw walks only 163 of those 3000 pa were bases on balls which does not describe a feared hitter on the other hand he was part of the long line of famous cleveland 2b wambsganss riggs stephenson etc roger jon johnny hodapp jmhodapp aplcomm jhuapl edu baseball re a rooky question about the era thomas theiner thein damabus informatik rwth aachen de wrote hi there im german and i have been into this mlb stuff since almost one year now there are many problems occuring for me one of them is the era statistic for pitchers what does it say era indicates the average number of earned runs attributed to a pitcher per nine inning game thus if a pitcher pitched 3 innings and gave up 1 earned run his 9 inning equivelent perfomance would be 3 earned runs thus his era is 3 00 to compute the era you simply take the number of earned runs divided by the innings pitched and then multiple the result by 9 era er ip 9 an earned run is run that is given up by the pitcher that is not attributed to a fielding error more specifically if an error occurs that represented the third out all runs scored after the error are considered unearned runs earned runs are also runs scored as a result of players who were left on base when the pitcher exited the game here are some examples if there are two outs in an inning and there are men on base if an error occurs that represents the third out all of the runs after this error and not counted as earned runs if a pitcher issues some base on balls walks and leaves the game before the inning is completed he is responsible for the people who were left on base if the those runners who were left on base score and the score was not a result of an error those eraned runs are attributed to the pitcher who left the game i hope this explains things for you joe cars re renting from alamo in article 1993apr20 142818 14969 ericsson se etxmst sta ericsson se writes hello netters im visiting the us im from sweden in august i will probably rent a chevy beretta from alamo ive been quoted 225 for a week 54 for additional days this would include free driving distance but not local taxes baltimore they also told me all insurance thats necessary is included but i doubt that cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more insurance than whats included in the base price but on the other hand he didnt rent it from alamo does anyone have some info on this is 225 a rip off no that sounds pretty reasonable for that car and that city probability that ill be needing more insurance unless you have an accident you wont need more if you plan on paying for the car with a credit card check and see if your card automatically covers rental cars also your own auto insurance may cover rental cars also most rental companies here offer extra insurance when you rent and require you to initial in several spots if you dont want it the credit cards and personal auto insurance provide the same sort of coverage that the rental agency is trying to sell i have never rented from alamo so i dont know if they follow this same practice is the beretta a good rental car yes it is a compact 2 door probably a bit dull performance and acceleration wise but very adequate it will have an automatic transmission am fm stereo air conditioning and possibly power windows and door locks joe joseph staudt telxon corp joes telxon com p o box 5582 usenet is like tetris for people who still akron oh 44334 0582 remember how to read 216 867 3700 x3522 j heller cars kubelwagen the answer to your question is sort of volkswagen had a much less robust version of this army vehicle out in the early 70s or thereabouts it was called the volskwagen thing and was of course a convertible i havent seen many around then or now good luck mik baseball sparky anderson gets win 2000 tigers beat as tigers manager sparky anderson gets his 2 000th career win as moments ago the tigers completed a two game sweep over the oakland as at tiger stadium by beating the as 3 2 here are the highlights r h e oakland 2 9 0 detroit 3 7 1 chad krueter scored skeeter barnes from 1st with an rbi double in the bottom of the ninth against none other than dennis eckersley to give the tigers the victory barnes also had an rbi single to score thurmond to tie the score in the ninth also off eckersley sp the as got their runs on an rbi single by mcgwire in the 1st and a solo homer by reuben sierra in the 6th deer doubled home kirk gibson in the 7th for the other tiger run john doherty pitched another strong game for the tigers once again lasting through the seventh inning he was relieved by bolton and then david haas in the 8th and haas got the win bobby witt started for the as and was replaced by honeycutt in the 6th followed by goose gossage in the 8th and finally eckersly in the 9th doherty gave up both of the as runs while witt gave up the first tiger run and eckerseley gave up the last two in the post game interview on wjr radio in detroit sparky anderson said its one of the few times hes gotten emotional in his managing career it was a big moment for him and im sure all of us tiger fans are unanimously very happy for him and what a way to get number 2 000 considering the circumstances i think it might be appropriate to say woof go tigers randy medicine re should i be angry at this doctor how about going to a doctor to get some minor surgery done doctor refuses to do it because its to risky still charges me 50 i go home and do it myself no problem the surgery involved digging out a pine needle that had buried itself under my tongue mike cars car alarms which one before we get into another discussion on the relative merits of a car alarm lets go on the assumption that one is desired the question then remains which one ive owned a hornet and was satisfied but not enough to get another for my new car the alpine has been highly recommended but what about clifford and vses derringer 2 any others i want all of the standard stuff door lock interface starter kill light flash led valet mode passive active shock motion sensor etc thanks for the advice cars sport utility vehical comparisons any opinions i just read articals on this in road and track and car and driver is that one mag or two b and i was wondering if people out there have any opinions that differed from what these mags have to say im looking at the following three suvs anyone whos driven all three have any strong opinions ford explorer toyota 4runner nissan pathfinder currently im leaning toward the toyota cause ive had big success with toyota trucks in the past and cause i think its the best looking of the three but i thought id see if anyone has any strong opinions thanks karl karl elvis macrae software release support cisco systems kmac cisco com or batman cisco com 415 688 8231 dod 1999 fj1200 shovels and rakes and implements of destruction arlo guthrie guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article c6548v jha noose ecn purdue edu garrod dynamo ecn purdue edu david garrod writes in article 1993apr27 032401 28156 news acns nwu edu brice merle acns nwu edu benjamin rice writes the reason the fire department couldnt fight the fire is that bullets were whizzing throughout the area had koresh not had such a frightenly large arsenal maybe the feds would not have decided that having the firedepartment on the scene would have been a useless waste of taxes and potentially dangerous had a different fire broken out in waco so how come the fire department had been at the compound area for 49 days only to be sent away two days before the fbi attack whatever the above comment has to do with the hazards of fighting a fire in the midst of ammo cooking off maybe the fire department was loudly complaining the whole time about being diverted from their other duties and the fbi said fine go home and well call you if we need you a million things could have happened we dont know btw this is the first time i have heard that the waco fd was on scene for all but the last 2 days whats the source out of curiosity personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were cars re manual shift bigots in a previous article eric youngblood says in article apr19 195700 19699 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu eliot writes race car stuff deleted back to the f1 stuff for a second note that the auto tranny in f1 still shifts at the drivers command not some preselected schedule the driver still controls the shifting not the transmission now there is no dispute that in production cars automatics are inherently more lossy than manuals that is in theory my point all along is that whatever mechanical advantages a manual has over an automatic can very easily be lost by a driver who isnt skillful or one thing that gives an automatic an advantage at launch is the fact that it has a torque converter vs a clutch i know this sounds strange but a torque converter multiplies the engine output when launching it functions as a sort of limited continuously variable transmission typically you get a torque multiplication of 2 to 3 times depending on the stall speed i have yet to see a torque multiplier installed on a production automobile such systems do exist but none are presently installed in production autos that i am aware of these are commonly called viscous drive cvts or fluidic amplifiers contrasted to a clutch which merely slips when feathered result is no tq mult what the convertor does allow is for the engine to be closer to its torque peak during the launch before a clutched car can fully engage its driveline chevy proved it many years ago with the 70 camaro ets and terminal 1 4 mile times were close enough tpo be identical for 4 speed and auto cars note that this is also the major reason that an auto car can get away with fewer gears than a manual the slip in the convertor makes up for the fewer ratios and before everyone starts yelling about the proposed 5 sspeed autos soon to be out note that some manufacturers are using 6 speed manulas now once past lauch however the converter begins coupling and the tq multiplication effect is reduced but by then you should be on the cam correct al bowers dod 900 alfa ducati hobie kottke blad iaido nasa well goodness sakes dont you know that girls cant play guitar mary chapin carpenter windows re winbench al col hp com al devilbiss writes jorge erex east sun com jorge lach sun bos hardware writes is there any ftp site that carries winbench results for different graphics cards in excel xls format what is the latest version of winbench and how do they differ is the source available and has anybody try to port it to x window at least in a way that will make comparisons possible on ftp cica indiana edu in pub pc win3 misc winadv zip is a writeup by steve gibson of infoworld with winbench 3 11 and a number of other benchmark results for nine isa and four vlb video cards this is a very current upload and is likely to have any card youre currently giving serious consideration not in xls format latest version of winbench that i know of is ver 3 11 i believe they try to maintain the same rating scale between versions and new versions are released to defeat the lastest coding tricks put in by driver programmers to beat the benchmarks dont know on the last one and why they are considering using winbench as a test they may want to read everything steve gibson has said on the subject in his infoworld column the past couple of month in short virtually every board manufacturer cheats on the test by writing things in the driver that is there only to make the board appear faster on the winbench suite so the winbench score has no bearing in reality to how cards stack up on real world tasks in the last pc magazine they benchmarked some of the new accelerators and admitted that many of them cheated on winbench interestingly they allowed one type of cheating behaviour caching for bitblt operations no matter how unreal yet did not allow a couple of other types of cheating behaviour that some of the cards used at least one card was eliminated from the editors choice because of cheating on the benchmark al devilbiss al col hp com cars for sale in evanston il one car for sale 1981 oldsmobile omega four door gray power windows power steering power brakes remote trunk release starts reliably and runs well but needs some work 400 obo for details email or 708 864 0526 michael a atkinson there is no try there is only dew asbestos nwu edu a libertarian and an nra member cars re plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences daubendr nextwork rose hulman edu darren r daubenspeck writes they are pretty much junk stay away from them they will be replaced next year with all new models junk theyve made the c d lists for years due to their excellent handling and acceleration they have been around since about oh 85 or 86 so theyre not the newest on the lot and mileage is about five to eight mpg under the class leader you can get into a 3 0 l v 6 141 hp shadow for 10 11k the i 4 turbo a bit more and a droptop for 14 15k how can car be any good that has s n a c u d n e written on the back with crooked letters as if a 2 year old had written it hehhehehehahaha about as silly as cryslers attemps to make the label on the back of some of their other cars appear like they are mercedes sorry i couldnt resist barryb cars re review 1989 ford taurus sho in article kfr ewc00wa1q6wtt7 andrew cmu edu sam swett ssbc andrew cmu edu writes one more way which works in manual trans cars ive driven and it is my personal favorite the other suggestions above are great but try this one too while pushing the shifter gently towards reverse let the clutch out slowly right to the friction point and the shifter will be pulled into position if you do it right the car wont jump backward nor will the gears grind you will just glide back sam i can vouch for this method in my 1990 sho this is the only sure way of putting in the reverse without any problem every time vikas sontakke digital equipment corporation maynard ma internet sontakke helix enet dec com uucp decvax ucbvax allegra decwrl helix enet sontakke sontakke helix enet decwrl dec com baseball bonds vs maddux ive been following the giants closely over the off season newspapers notesgroup etc but i had my first up close and personal last night at the stick after watching giants hitters struggle last year barrys swing was very impressive hes very quick and his swing seems effortless even compared to clark particularly clark as of late it was interesting to see bonds hit maddux so well im not sure if barry was after revenge against the braves or what but he stroked three very pretty hits 1b 2b hr for 5 rbis the giants as a team are doing a lot of surprising things this year in addition to bonds there has been some good pitching and some hitters seem to be swinging much better claytons defense has been superb mcgee seems to like leading off this year manwaring is driving the ball so on so forth i hope it continues i think they need to continue well into june before people are really sold that they are for real particularly the pitching for myself i think the fresh start of magowan baker etc has really wiped out a lot of negatives from the last few years and will be a real factor in helping them significantly improve over last year joe loos loos cup hp com medicine re my new diet it works great in article 19687 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article 1993apr13 093300 29529 omen uucp caf omen uucp chuck forsberg wa7kgx writes weight rebound is a term used in the medical literature on obesity to denote weight regain beyond what was lost in a diet cycle there are any number of terms which mean one thing to can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back the lost weight does not constitute weight rebound until it exceeds the starting weight or is this oral tradition that is shared only among you obesity researchers not one but two obesity in europe 88 proceedings of the 1st european congress on obesity annals of ny acad sci 1987 gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon chuck forsberg wa7kgx tektronix reed omen caf author of ymodem zmodem professional yam zcomm and dsz omen technology inc the high reliability software 17505 v nw sauvie is rd portland or 97231 503 621 3406 windows re need video drivers for tseng true color tony g wu gtonwu uz nthu edu tw wrote hello i purchased a video card called et 4000 true color card which can provide about 1700k colors but the question is i cant find the corresponding drivers for windows 3 1 i am now using 65k colors driver for win31 it works fine but i think it will be better if i use 1700k driver so please tell me whether such a driver is available thanks in advance i am sorry my card can display about 17000k colors not 1700k colors i hope some one could answer my question thanks forever 23 michael jordan tony g wu gtonwu uz nthu edu tw cae rheology lab nthu tony che nthu edu tw medicine re sudden numbness in arm in article c5u5lg c3g gpu utcc utoronto ca molnar bisco canet ca tom molnar writes i experienced a sudden numbness in my left arm this morning just after i completed my 4th set of deep squats today was my weight training day and i was just beginning my routine all of a sudden at the end of the 4th set my arm felt like it had gone to sleep it was cold turned pale and lost 60 of its strength the weight i used for squats wasnt that heavy i was working hard but not at 100 effort i waited for a few minutes trying to shake the arm back to life and then continued with chest exercises flyes with lighter dumbells than i normally use but i dropped the left dumbell during the first set and experienced continued arm weakness into the second so i quit training and decided not to do my usual hour on the ski machine either ill take it easy for the rest of the day my arm is still somewhat numb and significantly weaker than normal my hand still tingles a bit down to the thumb color has returned to normal and it is no longer cold horrid thoughts of chunks of plaque blocking a major artery course through my brain im 34 vegetarian and pretty fit from my daily exercise regimen so that cant be it could a pinched nerve from the bar cause these symptoms i hope it likely has nothing to do with chunks of plaque but it sounds like you may have a neurovascular compromise to your arm and you need medical attention before doing any more weight lifting gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars re honda mailing list excerpts from netnews rec autos 24 apr 93 honda mailing list by james b atkins prism ga is there a honda mailing list and if so how do i subscribe to it if you look at their magazine ads they may have a phone number to call and you can ask for a catalog or to be on the list etc cars re warning please read in article c5joit e31 bcstec ca boeing com neil bcstec ca boeing com neil williams writes as long as were on the subject several years ago myself and two others were riding in the front of a toyota pickup heading south on interstate 5 north of seattle wa someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our windshield not by accident im sure it was impossible to get up to the overpass quickly to see who did it we figured it was kids reported it and left a couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company he was in his mid fourties and left behind a wife and children turned out there was a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away they caught the 14 year old that did it they put a cover over the overpass what else could they do i dont think ill over forget this story neil williams boeing computer services bellevue wa neil what did they do to the 14 year old who they caught what did the mans insurance company do this could be significant and in any case very interesting followups to alt parents teens fred w bach operations group internet music erich triumf ca triumf tri university meson facility voice 604 222 1047 loc 327 278 4004 wesbrook mall ubc campus fax 604 222 1074 university of british columbia vancouver b c canada v6t 2a3 these are my opinions which should only make you read think and question they do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers cars re do it yourself front end alignment possible davidd lonestar utsa edu david de leon writes in article 113364 bu edu selick csa bu edu steven selick writes ive got an 86 plymouth colt that id like to do a front end alignment on is it possible to do without all of the fancy schmancy gadgets the pros have how steve no no no no if you do so you are putting the lives of others on the road at consider able risk why do you think mechanics are ase certified anyway you put it you need those fancy scmancy gadgets awww right you want all the home mechanics lined up against a wall and shot eh bull pucky you chicken read the service manual and get your head out of the sand certainly there are tools for the job that are cheaper than an alignment rack that do the job as competently albeit not as swiftly if not more accurate due to the natural pride an owner mechanic places on his work you can do an acceptable job of aligning a car using simple tools and some imaginative work that would never have the effect of endangering anyones life the worst that happens is that your tires wear oddly well you could have the wheels aiming totally pigeon toed and not be able to steer the car raise your hands those that think their vision is so poor that they would screw up this badly i bet you are one of those people that feels that honing a cylinder wall with sand paper will kill millions of people it aint magic go take the certification course and look at the people that have never learned to add in their whole life that are taking the certification btw i am disgusted at the colt and some of the other chrysler offerings because they go out of alignment if you sneaze at them my 84 chrysler laser similar to the daytona a reskinned colt needed a realignment every 3 months bolt a good grade 12 2x4 to each wheel using a carefully welded spacer jig measure toe in adjust to manufacturer specs camber a bit more difficult to adjust and measure i used a micrometer to measure the space between the rim and a funky bent up pipe that could be placed on upper and lower portions of the rim on the inside of wheel hard to explain this same tool could be used instead of the 2x4s i had made these tools up right after the last alignment done professionally so i had a reference that the original poster might not ciao mark medicine re emphysema question in article 1993apr15 180621 29465 radford vak12ed edu mmatusev radford vak12ed edu melissa n matusevich writes thanks for all your assistance ill see if he can try a different brand of patches although hes tried two brands already are there more than two the brands i can come up with off the top of my head are nicotrol nicoderm and habitrol there may be a fourth as well kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer cars nx2000 vs sentra se r im plannig to trade my sentra se r in with a nx2000 my car has 11 500 miles on it and is a 92 model the nx2000 the dealer is selling is a 91 model with 23 000miles on it it has a t bar roof a c and an airbag which my sentra does not have they are asking for 1500 is that a fair deal the only thing i noticed about the nx2000 is that the engine did not seem to have as much torque as my sentra which has the same identical engine i presume that the last lady owner did not really push the engine to its limits occassionaly while i did that on mine thuis the nx2000s engine is a little tight so if i buy the nx2000 and excercise it well should that slight power problem go away any advice on this will be much appreciated thanks please reply via e mail if possible a motion picture major at the brooks institute of photography ca santa barbara and a foreign student from kuala lumpur malaysia the mind is the forerunner of all states medicine question phosphorylase kinase deficiency if anyone has any information on this deficiency i would very greatly appreciate a response here or preferably by email all i know at this point is a deficiency can cause myoglobin to be released and in times of stress and high ambient temperature could cause renal failure x baseball i am right no i am right was re bob knepper was damn right in article 13581 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes in article 1qv9aginn3ba shelley u washington edu tannerg hardy u washington edu glenn tanner writes no but i am for starting rec sports idiots for people who respond to obvious flamebait nah lets reserve rec sports idiots for people who post obvious flamebait like yourself funny i didnt realize mr tanner brought up bob knepper v pam postema in the first place thought it was someone named jacobs if someone posts something as controversial not to mention idiotic as what austin posted in a widely accessed newsgroup someone should challenge the statement why if a statement is truly idiotic and is universally thought so the challenge is a waste of panting further challenges that have nothing yes nothing to do with baseball are wasting others time you got a problem with what bob knepper thinks lets hear it in some sort of categorical manner actually i question whether either knepper or postema arent old news at this point although what i have read of postemas book is interesting there is a school of thought that suggests that silence consent i agree this far whereas this idea may not apply to everything in life it certainly should apply to a forum of public discussion sez you if youve been reading r s b lately youll find that even elementary school children have had access to our postings albeit in an edited form its making me think a little more carefully about some of the things i post that does not come out in what you say down the road here in conclusion if someone like austin wants to post his drivel in some obscure newsgroup that i dont read fine hes got the right to rant rave and drool all he wants to in the name of free speech but if he drools in a newsgroup that i read then i will support the right of anyone to provide rebuttal to his drooling yo even elementary school children have had access to our postings albeit in an edited form you want them to hear you talk like this dont you want people who come to this group to talk baseball to think you like to do the same or do you want them to think youre some politically correct demagogue whos oh so sensitive ho hum plus youre here limiting free speech to some obscure newsgroup that i dont read what bs you got a problem with what jacobs says what knepper thinks all you have to do is defeat it with better ideas more and better speech yours is the easy way out as for knepper ever notice how sometimes these guys will say just about any darn thing that pops in their heads when a mike is shoved in front of them you know that often the best copy for the news is the one that isnt pre prepared they know knepper has controversial ideas about women they pop some question about postema an interesting related question would be whether the two ever appeared in the same game off the top of my head i guess no if my guess is right knepper popped off about something that had nothing to do with him and postema gets a book for it and he doesnt now of course you dont have to read any of this and if you want to cut down on flames then dont post flamebait you dont have to respond to flames either saves cyberspace now why didnt i think of that rg i can play me better than anyone theres only one of me barry bonds on playing himself in two movies guns re effectiveness 44 calibre jtchew csa3 lbl gov ad absurdum per aspera writes from psc sei cmu edu peter capell on rec martial arts im sure such weapons have been developed our society does not however condone their possession or use actually joe i wrote the above peter was responding to my article im actually rather confused by your post i suppose i didnt make myself clear cause you seem to have gotten exactly the opposite impression from what i intended i suppose the authorities might have been a better term than society carry and use a firearm in many parts of the country certainly the parts i live in and expect at the very least to have an awful lot of explaining to do and there is also appears to be a trend in society at large that actively opposes what many see as their right to defend themselves in a few other parts of our society handguns are banned or so restricted as to be practically unavailable to the law abiding citizen for self defense outside the home funny though how the criminals in such places continue to have a lush supply of guns and no compunctions about using them imho you dont need to be either a political philosopher or a crime victim to realize that theres a flaw in the gun grabbers logic agreed youre welcome to your ho too the first amendment being as important as the second but please dont let your obvious good intentions be subverted by insupportable generalities about something as big and diverse as us society my only intention was to comment that the existence of suitable weapons of self defense doesnt mean youll escape a whole shitload of trouble should you be forced to use them or by the naive hope that making gun possession a crime will give pause to someone who would be a criminal anyway i made no such statements nor do i have such a naive hope or outlook wishing you peace and the wherewithal to defend yourself if others thoughts are not that kindly thats all i want the opportunity to leave in peace or to have the means to defend myself when that in not possible i think we agree on this issue i guess my position didnt survive the transition from cognition to ascii garry hodgson a slow winter day at t bell labs a night like forever garry alice att com sink like a stone att alice garry float like a feather windows re help with changing startup logo in article 1993apr28 161910 17062 seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes in article 735952415 aa01739 f 454 fidonet org c doelle p26 f3333 n106 z1 fidonet org c doelle writes hello brad monday april 26 1993 17 24 brad smalling wrote to crosspost 1 all bs copy b win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle win com unecessary bs i grabbed this from supercharging windows by judd robbins great book bs this is also how you can put your own logo into the windows startup might do it too much trouble brad bmp will convert to rle i know for a fact that paintshop shareware from cica desktop i think filename psvvv zip i think where vvv is the ver number if thats not true let me know and i ll this however will write your rle file with a bmp extension so you have to rename it your file has to be less than 64 k at least thats what the faq says but mine wont work for more than about 30 maybe they mend 32k i dont know agreed mixali your file has to fit vga size 480 860 or whatever standard vga size is if you use a non vga screen e g cga ega svga there is also a way to do it but i thing instead of vgalogo lgo you use another file not entirely true also your bmp has to be 16 colours or less true finally remember to save your current win com before and put your new win com in the windows directory also dont start windows from a unecessary mickey path of least resistance tm get wingif 1 4 from cica ftp cica indiana edu pub pc win3 desktop it will save to native rle format unlike psp an otherwise fine fine prog make a file using anything that has to be less than 30k as michael said and less than 16 colors import it to wingif as gif pcx or bmp and save it in you windows system subdir as vgalogo rle not lgo exit win and run setup in the windows subdir reselect your current config run win voila minor correction the rle file has to be 30k that means 15k gif hope it helps and please please someone put this in the groups faq costas malamas georgia institute of technology oit ua oit doesnt pay me enough to share its opinions internet ccastco prism gatech edu guns re feds caught in another lie pete norton peten well sf ca us peten holonet net norton hou amoco com medicine liver spots what causes those little brown spots on older peoples hands are they called liver spots because theyre sort of liver colored or do they indicate some actual liver dysfunction die welt ist alles was zerfall ist peter cash apologies to ludwig wittgenstein cash convex com guns re insane gun toting wackos unite fcrary ucsu colorado edu frank crary university of colorado boulder i dont know about animal attacks but there are 23 500 murders each year and under 500 die in the manner you suggest if only 2 1 of the murders were killings by wacko s you would be wrong worse there are also 102 500 rapes and 1 055 000 aggravated assaults each year these numbers make violent attacks and preventing them thousands of times more significant than the accidents you are worried about these stats are invalid were talking backcountry these stats for rapes assaults deaths do not represent the backcountry singularly the great majority represent urban incidents you should have pointed this out rob medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article 1993apr15 150550 15347 ecsvax uncecs edu ccreegan ecsvax uncecs edu charles l creegan writes what about kekules infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails is this specific enough to count certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic phil of sci texts as an example of the inventive component of hypothesizing i sometimes wonder if kekules dream wasnt just a wee bit influenced by aromatic solvent vapors heh heh neal howard 91 xlh 1200 dod 686 computrac inc richardson tx doh 0000001200 355o33 neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaimer my opinions are mine not computracs let us learn to dream gentlemen and then perhaps we shall learn the truth august kekule 1890 guns re the cold war who really won if one reasons that the united states of america at one time represented and protected freedom individual liberty and personal responsibility and i do in fact think that this is true and that totalitarianism absolute government control and tyranny represents freedoms opposite which it does did the usa really win the cold war standard disclaimers always apply graham k glover the cold war has not ended the only thing that has happened is that the two sides have exchanged roles the usa has a higher imprisonment rate 400 per 100 000 population than any country in europe by a factor of 10 or so in california it is over 600 per 100 000 population the prison population in california is now over 100 000 a quadrupling since 1980 most of these inmates were convicted under the drug prohibition laws police now confiscate property without trial under a good faith probable cause standard in the name of depriving the horrible ghastly drug dealers of their ill gotten gains conduct an opinion poll and a majority will answer yes if you ask them whether civil liberties and due process should be diluted in order to send our young people the message that we are serious about winning the war on drugs i dont know whether anyone has measured such a figure among gun owners but i would expect the same result they certainly seem to vote that way according to jack herers book the emperor wears no clothes over twelve million years of prison time have been served under the marijuana prohibition laws by people who were minding their own business and causing no harm to others and less harm to themselves than users of tobacco with 400 000 confirmed kills year under the war on drugs campaign of zero tolerance due process protections have eroded and mandatory sentences of ten years without parole have proliferated by and large gun owners have voted for the politicians who favor such measures and now all the precedents not only legal but political my fellow americans we must send our young people the message that we are serious about winning the war on murder are going to be applied to the oncoming wave of gun prohibition laws gun owners are about to get a taste of the medicine they voted for believing it would be used only on those with different tastes in recreational drugs what goes around comes around alan t furman dont blame me i voted libertarian atfurman cup portal com 800 682 1776 for more information medicine re thermogenics first off if im not mistaken only hibernating animals have brown fat not humans secondly your description sounds just like 2 4 dinitrophenol this is an uncoupler of respiratory chain oxidative phosphorylation put in laymans terms it short circuits the mitochondria causing food energy to be turned into heat 2 4 dnp was popular in the 1930s for weight reduction in controlled amounts it raises body temperature as the body compensates for the reduced amount of useful energy available it is very dangerous it would be wiser to adjust to your present body form rather than play around with 2 4 dnp but if you insist i suggest you look up the literature in your own university library you can obtain 2 4 dnp by taking a first year organic chemistry lab course and swiping it from the supplies its a commonly used reagent medicine re eumemics was eugenics probably within 50 years it will be possible to disassemble and re assemble our bodies at the molecular level not only will flawless cosmetic surgery be possible but flawless cosmetic psychosurgery what will it be like to store all the prices of shelf priced bar coded goods in your head and catch all the errors they make in the stores favor at safeway what will it be like to mentally edit and spell check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling vacation time share options you are absolutely daft no flame required you lack a brain sic memes are the basic units of culture as opposed to genes which are the units of genetics well at least youre educated it seems but give credit where credit is due to richard dawkin s the meme is a meme he invented zone guns re text of white house announcement and q as on clipper chip encryption from article strnlghtc5tr6d n3n netcom com by strnlght netcom com david sternlight though i agree this is not the place to discuss guns i note in passing that a number of gun apologists seem to have ignored the words well regulated in their distorted interpretations of the second amendment well regulated at the time of its writing and in the context of the second amendment means properly trained and equipped it modern language it would read a properly trained and equipped militia being necessary to the security of a free state note the word free it doesnt say police the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed bruce baseball re yankee thoughts velarde etc in article 121692 netnews upenn edu kkeller mail sas upenn edu keith keller writes real long but good post on yankee trades omitted i disagree on one point velarde yes maybe the yanks should have let him develop but he rode the columbus shuttle way too many times to do so probably the fault of george but no matter now his usefulness is done he will not be able to develop into a good player this deep in his career at least i dont think so his fielding is horrendous at 3rd maybe hed be good at short he cant his the curve at all and i think all his trips from new york to columbus and back have demoralized him to the point that he just doesnt care get rid of him i say the sooner the better for both the yanks and velarde keith keller lets go rangers velarde hasnt been to columbus if i recall for about three years granted he hasnt been a full time player but when he does play ive always thought he had a good bat he might be demoralized about not playing full time but he hasnt been shuttled around i think hes been in new york ever since he had 34 hits in 100 ab back in 1989 or 90 i believe i dont think he is gold glove calibre but he doesnt boot it around either i think if velarde is given a chance he could become extremely productive i dont have any stats to back this up and i dont know if his defense would cost any games but i think he could help and he has this year he has 3 hr already same goes for jim leyrtiz he has a big mouth but he does get the job done when he concentrates i think the situation with leyritz is that he believes he is a potential super star and he gets pissed about not playing i think he might have realized something when the marlins or rockies didnt select him the yanks need to worry about the bullpen right now kamieniecki and wickman militello in the bullpen ouch im praying that the bp will return to last years form chris what im listening to giant wam umd edu anything that guitar god go yankees dann huff plays on cars re what is volvo in article 21071 sernews raleigh ibm com mperry vnet ibm com mark perry writes hardly a good reason most us cars do too and plenty of people buy them in the us anyway i think the 850 is quite a good looking car unlike the us influenced 740 kevinh hasler ascom ch i dont think its so easy to tell the 850 from any other 7 or 9 series unless you look real close i really do think volvos are all dogs though beacuse they are 1 agricultural while previous volvos have been essentially very fast tractors the 3 4 and 8 series are far from agricultural in design or execution how many fwd tractors have you seen 2 have godlier than thou advertising you state this like it is a bad thing remember car companies use ad agencies they dont do their own ads 3 are part of renault is this true i know that they had done joint ventures with renault but i havent heard about their subsumption into renault does this mean that the french government now owns volvo anyway renault makes some very nice cars they just dont sell em in n america however one thing that i do think is in their favour is that they are immediately recognisable as a volvo and that is not something you can say about most japanese manufacturers and ford saab also have a strong corparate look which like it or not is what i thing all car makers could aim for to make life a little more varied here here mperry vnet ibm com roland rhorwell atc boeing com medicine re migraines and scans reply to geb cs pitt edu gordon banks if you can get away without ever ordering imaging for a patient with an obviously benign headache syndrome id like to hear what your magic is i certainly cant always avoid it unless i want to be rude i suppose i made a decision a while back that i will not be bullied into getting studies like a ct or mri when i dont think they are indicated if the patient wont accept my explanation of why i think the study would be a waste of time and money i suggest a second opinion david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell cars re advise needed in buying automobile from thwang mentor cc purdue edu tommy hwang subject advise needed in buying automobile i am in search of a dependable automobile to purchase below are its requirements 5 v6 or above most of the cars you mentioned are below smaller than v6 engine tony name antonio l balsamo company digital equipment corp shrewsbury mass work 508 841 2039 e mail balsamo stargl enet dec com cars eagle talon tsi lemon dear netters i am looking to buy a used eagle talon 91 or 91 tsi awd question is that the 91 tsi awd was mentioned in the april consumer reports to a car to avoid in particular the manual transmission electrical system and brakes were below par in both models a friend of mine ownes a 90 tsi awd and he has had 2 brake jobs pads one stuck valve and some clutch transmission problem something about sticking grinding into second gear this doesnt seem too bad if one beats on his car i am willing to suffer reliability for speed and looks seems you have to pay big buck if you want all three anyway can anyone please let me know how you like your talon and any problems you may have had and if the repairs are worth it thanks for any responses jay cars re drag coefficients in article 1993apr22 165444 11830 wdl loral com gwm spl1 spl loral com gary w mahan writes could someone explain how to make sense of drag coefficients i e cd mentioned in magazines i understand that lower numbers signify better aerodynamics but what does this mean in the real world is there a way to calculate new top speeds assuming the car is not rev limited at top speed or mileage benefits if a identical car had the cd reduced from 34 to 33 i dont remember the formulas off hand as it has been awhile since i took aerodynamics and havent used the stuff since the cd is related to the drag force which is what effects top speed and fuel consumption when the drag force on the car or aircraft is greater than what the vehicles engine can overcome it has reached its top speed autos of course also have to overcome rolling resistance since drag opposes the vehicles motion the engine must make up for that by burning more fuel anyway since the geometery of an auto is rather complex the drag pressure coeffiecent etc is either found experimentaly or using a numerical method anyway for flow around a cylinder the drag coeff is cd d q 2r where d is the drag force q the flow velocity and r is the radius of the clyinder to get a rough very rough estimate you can set r at 1 2 the cars width q at the cars speed and knowing the cd find the drag force that the car would need to overcome bp baseball re braves update in article 1993apr20 233636 114967 zeus calpoly edu jplee cymbal calpoly edu jason lee writes you simply cannot show up an umpire like ron gant did it is disrespectful of not only the home plate umpire but of the dignity of the game but of course it is expected that umpires will show up players dont get me wrong i understand the nature of the game but i just believe that a little ego ectomy for the umpires would make the game much better ted social nags and body bags make you dead what a drag drag drag saigon kick body bags the lizard krueger gas uug arizona edu windows re gui application frameworks for windows i look at zapp and really liked it however i think you should wait for version 2 0 i think it will be out soon mike maley maley cs umn edu cars re autofom fomblin a i tried the autofom stuff on my 1991 saturn sc and was so disappointed with it that i returned it for a refund i polished the car for 2 hours and couldnt remove the swirl marks thin film that was all over the finish it also attracted more dirt than without the stuff windows re challenge to microsoft supporters much munching and editing to get to the point brett d sherron ferrell writes you do have an interesting point that i wont dispute now but pray tell if you know for a fact anything why dont you provided some insight into your source do you think that will accept it for fact maybe i would if you gave your word even mike timbol responds if he says he knows for a fact what more do you have to gain if he gives his word do you think hes lying right now while i do not think he is lying i also feel hesitant to take anybody on their word unless they can attribute a source for thier claims with all the fud and misinformations and misconceptions and outright lies flying around the advocacy newsgroups i do not trust any unsubstantiated rumor or claim especially from any employees of ibms or microsoft or anyone who seems to have a vested interest divya divya live long and then die a slow and horrible death what confucius wanted to say baseball pecota braves could someone out there send me pecotas stats for the last few years or something to give me some sort of feel for what kind of player he is my mind has no handle on him at all it bothers me pecota of the braves that is pretty meaningful that i cant even come up with his first name i think ken yousten if at first you dont succeed try again blacksburg va then quit no use being a damn fool about it yousten atlantis csos orst edu w c fields cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article 1327 qa1 wichitaks ncr com jhart qa1 wichitaks ncr com jim hart writes in article 1993mar29 161044 1 uncavx unca edu bwillard uncavx unca edu writes my top 10 list of dumbest automotive concepts ever 10 1984 dodge colt vista tachometer only avail with automatic trans 9 back up lights on corvette theyre on the sides of the car sure would be interested to know what year s this was i dont seem to recall any car with back up lights on the sides much less any corvette i suppose i could be mis interpreting what you are trying to say here just a quick comment backup lights mounted on the side would actually be extremely useful for people backing out of parking stalls regards charles within the span of the last few weeks i have heard elements of separate threads which in that they have been conjoined in time struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd unknown net person medicine re kidney stones if the student has a kidney infection she ought to be on antibiotics kidney infections left untreated can cause permanent damage to the kidneys i was hospitalized with a kidney infection a while ago and i was very sick in article 1993apr29 003406 55029 ux1 cts eiu edu cfaks ux1 cts eiu edu alice sanders writes also she is told that thre are 300 surgery patients ahead of her and that they cannot do surgery until august or so it is now april she is supposed to rest a lot and drink fluids but she has to go to classes she wonders why they have given her no medicine she plans to cars re removing rain x coat on the front windshield any tips if you want a summer without rain youre in the wrong place you must not have been here a whole year yet keep the rain x handy my friend thatch thatch harvey uucp no longer valid domain thatchh hplsla hp com hewlett packard lake stevens instrument division lake stevens wa 206 335 2083 merkur xr4ti suzuki gsx1100g prince sr3 d sports racer baseball re bosox win again the team record is 9 3 in article 1993apr18 233404 16702 ncar ucar edu amj rsf atd ucar edu anthony michael jivoin says with the hawk the red sox definitely have a chance for the east this year he brings class work ethic and leadership to the park each day too bad he doesnt bring the ability to hit pitch field or run bob vesterman windows re trumpet for windows other news readers in article mcbride 126 ohsu edu mcbride ohsu edu ginny mcbride writes in article ashok 653 0 biochemistry cwru edu ashok biochemistry cwru edu ashok aiyar writes currently wintrumpet is in very late beta it looks like an excellent product with several features beyond the dos version wintrumpet supports the trumpet tcp novell lwp and there is also a direct to packet driver version that some people are using with the dis pkt shim whats it gonna cost again i do not speak for peter tattam but it is my understanding that it will shareware status as trumpet 1 05 for dos is and i imagine that the registration fees will be similar i also believe that a new version of trumpet for dos will be released sometime in the near future ashok ashok aiyar mail ashok biochemistry cwru edu department of biochemistry tel 216 368 3300 cwru school of medicine cleveland ohio fax 216 368 4544 medicine fibromyalgia cfs and sleep levels i know that there is a relationship between fibromyalgia and deep sleep i believe that there are five levels of sleep i think that r e m sleep is the third deepest level of sleep and that there are two deeper levels of sleep if i am in error in any of this please let me know which level of sleep is thought to be deficient in people with fibromyalgia are there any known sleep disturbances associated with cfs what sleep disturbances if any are associated with clinical depression do antidepressants correct the sleep disturbances in these diseases are there any good books or medical journal articles about sleep disturbances and these diseases thank you in advance for all replies the more inconvenient it is to answer the phone the more it rings origin one world los angeles 310 372 0987 32b 1 102 129 0 windows last i have two questions 1 i have been having troubles with my wordperfect for windows when i try to select and change fonts etc some of the text disappears i tried to center two lines once and the second line disappeared i can not find the error and i do not know how to correct it 2 is this the right newsgroup where should i go e mail prefered who else is still waiting for naked gun part pi nathannarloch alumn122 whscdp whs edu enforcerburp or narlochn kirk msoe edu milw wi 53207 jointheofficialpsycho team medicine patti dukes problem does anyone have information about the struggles that patti duke went through in her personal life with severe mood swings did she have some form of chemical imbalance that triggered these problems i recall that she wrote a book about her troubles does someone have the title of that book guns re fyi batf reply on waco the san francisco examiner reports that clinton has issued instructions to federal law enforcement that they may not kill or injure anyone to resolve the waco situation so theyve built a fence around the compound and are now seriously considering building up the fence to prison camp levels pulling out most of the manpower and waiting however many months it takes john nagle guns re bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks in article 1r8m19inneph cronkite central sun com dbernard clesun central sun com writes g j maybe they wanted it to look like murder he had 50 days i think this was coming the whole time he didnt even put the children in the buried bus or the underground bunker during the cs seige he put them up into the tower to die is cs gas lighter or heavier than air do you know if the cs is heavier than air most chemical weapons are james s cochrane when in danger or in doubt run in this space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles scream and shout for rent cars re car buying story was christ another dealer service scam mark monninger markm bigfoot sps mot com wrote while not exactly a service incident i had a similar experience recently when i bought a new truck i had picked out the vehicle i wanted and after a little haggling we agreed on a price i wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax and license and told them id be back that evening to pick up the truck when i returned i had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could get to me when i finally got in there everything went smoothly until he started adding up the numbers he then discovered that they had miscalculated the tax license by about 150 he then said he needed another 150 from me i said we had already agreed on a price and it was their problem i wasnt giving them any more money the finance guy then a similar thing happend to me a year ago i bought a used ford bronco which has since been stolen and few weeks after i paid and took delivery they sent a letter telling me they goofed and miscalculated the license renewal by 300 and that i need to send in a check to avoid further delay in the processing of my registration the thing is i had already received the pink slip from the dmv so i ignored it i received another letter and then the phone calls started coming first from the finance guy and then from the general manager both hounding me for the extra money they left me alone once i told them i already had the paperwork and pointed out the clause in the contract that stated that the final price was just that final afterall they wouldnt budge if i had told them i wanted another 300 off after the deal had been signed right i told them not to call again and that i would not do business with them in the future they didnt seem to have a problem with that this after all was a used ford at a toyota dealership i had a much better experience buying a new pathfinder about a month ago it certainly pays to buy a car on the last sunday of the month it was even raining too so they had done very little business that weekend and were really willing to deal i kept telling them i would think about it and they kept dropping the price got a very good deal and so far have been very please with the service john jdenune pandora sdsu edu cars re the 1994 mustang the current 4 9l v 8 will soldier on for about two years a version of the 32 valve modular v 8 in the mark viii could be offered then how unfortunate for anyone who loves the simplicity with which 302 and 351 fords and 305 and 350 chevys can be built up still it will provide a needed punch for the ford to stay up with the new firebird camaros it wouldnt surprise me if ford called the engine a 5 0 litre in the mustang we all know that the current 5 0 is really 4 9 litres anyway undisguised the car looks ok but not nearly as exciting as the new camaro firebird imo i must agree i dont think ive seen anything as impressive looking as the new firebird since my friend back home sold his 1970 formula 400 firebird for a paltry 2000 without even telling me the bastard george howell george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org medicine oops silly me sorry my friends address who wants the faq and info is jjsulliv colby edu sorry about that folks jody jody rebecca colby college majors history sociology class o 94 e mail jrgould colby edu samuel paul rutgers edu fantasy music colors and animals will lead this society out of oppression baseball re lets play the name game somebody wrote how about changing team names post your choices here ill start how about the baltimore baseblazers san francisco quakes shawn go rangers baltimore baseblazers where the hell did you come up with that the orioles are not a base stealing team except for anderson besides we would never call them anything but the baltimore orioles why the ballpark has all these orthologically spelling error correct baltimore orioles all over the place i bet you thought the bird is just an oriole its not the bird was named after lord baltimore when maryland was founded theyre called baltimore orioles but the post is just a joke so why do i care what a non os fan thinks of us but i still wonder where baseblazers came from san diego padres now theres a name that needs to be changed how is padre being used as father ie priest or father ie parents admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu 1993 world champions baltimore orioles why not series in the yards 1992 1993 stanley cup champions washington capitals the bangles are the greatest female rock group that ever existed this sig has been brought to you by frungy the sport of kings my god man drilling holes through his head is not the answer dr mccoy guns re 2nd amendment dead good in article 1993apr18 001319 2340 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes in the near future federal martials will come for your arms no one will help you you are more dangerous to their thinking than the criminal this is your own fault the 2nd amendment is dead accept this find another way you know in many ways this might be just the kick we need to straighten things out in this country also people would have a need to replace guns with something else perhaps deadly sprays that would make mace and oc seem like water they would be lighter and easier to conceal guns are really old in design and as long as we have tons of them no one is motivated to design something better im sure we could come up with some real nasty stuff if we tried and getting rid of these guns would get us moving on this track asap this is what we really want right stuff thats smaller lighter and far more deadly remember in this country well really scramble to accomplish impossible feats if we are motivated enough and i think self defense is high on our list of motivators windows re canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 in article c64n5k l45 vcd hp com robertt vcd hp com bob taylor writes justin whitton ma90jjw isis ajax rsre mod uk wrote in article c60eki kvp vcd hp com edmoore vcd hp com ed moore writes thomas d fellrath 1 nd edu nd edu wrote i think the ink now used in the deskjet family is water fast ive had pictures ruined by a few drops of rain these were colour pictures from a deskjet 500c mind you it could have been acid rain the black ink is waterfast but the color isnt i use a bj10ex ink dries fast but it really doesnt like getting wet justin whitton at ma90jjw hermes uk mod relay where no man has gone before after august mail ma90jjw brunel ac uk disclaimer my opinions count for nothing except when the office is empty im a student intelligence 0 bob taylor hp vancouver baseball the mystery of ron gant o any of you experts want to analyze ron gant is his early season slump because he is still swinging his bat the way he was last year trying to hit to all fields etc or has he changed his swing back to the old gant and is just in a small early season slump is his spot int he lineup even secure especially the way he has been hitting msilverm nyx cs du edu go cubs one likes to believe in the freedom of baseball geddy lee windows re some info the dos msw meltdown is progressing nicely in article messinac6b7zl iho netcom com messina netcom com tony porczyk writes ajayshah almaak usc edu ajay shah writes the preferred applications development platform according to 432 of the fortune 1000 corporations survey by sentry market research survey 1992 1993 unix 18 28 mainframe 35 22 dos msw 24 18 development of what in house apps maybe but certainly not apps to be sold on an open market statistics like that are laughable because they may simply mean that there are not enough shrink wrapped usable apps for unix and they have to be developed disproportionately often as compared to the installed unix base t actually you might be surprised to find that not everyone who develops mainstream dos and windows apps develops them under dos or windows pc week recently printed a rumor that microsofts excel development group does its development under os 2 another trade rag did an article recently about a group doing windows development on sun sparcstations with softpc to test out their work sco unix is and has been a reasonably popular development platform for dos windows and even os 2 apps dos and windows are simply not robust or stable enough for development work imho and apparently others agree marc fraioli mfraioli grebyn com so im a minimalist medicine antihistamine for sleep aid for a very long time ive had a problem with feeling really awful when i try to get up in the morning my sleep latency at night is also pretty long ranging from 30 min to an hour i get about 7 hours of bedtime maybe 6 of actual sleep a night and more on the weekends i will spend two or three hours laying in bed after this if i can because i feel so tired when i wake up even more tired than i was when i went to bed which is usually too tired to work anyway i recently had a really bad flu so i called a friend to get me some cough syrup with both an expectorant and a nasal decongestant but he got vicks formula 44m which has everything but an expectorant so i used that anyway and the three nights i used it i fell asleep rapidly and felt that i got really good quality sleep that is i actually felt refreshed the next morning so i am now trying to look into both in the literature and experimentally the use of antihistamines as sleep aids since i am presuming that it was the antihistamine that caused the effect the antihistamine in vicks formula 44 is chloriphenamine maleate so i bought some generic tablets of that and tried one last night and didnt notice any improvement i might try one with a little alcohol about 1 beer to see if it is a synergism effect also library research seems to show that benadryl is the antihistamine with the strongest sedative effect of what is availible otc so i might also buy a generic form of that and try that the pdr seems to suggest that 50 mg is a good dosage level to try for other medical information i have allergies but rarely have an allergic reaction living in new mexico i also have chronically dry eyes which get horrible if i try to use most underarm deoderants i did guess that my problem might be caused by hypoglycemia so i made some changes in my diet consistent with that and it didnt help so i went back to a normal diet pretty diverse also taking vitamin supplements anyway i am looking for advice for the use of antihistamines as sleep aids and if there are any dangers of such use seems safe to me since they are used chronically for allergies by millions i dont want to try bzs because bz addiction seems to be a serious threat and from what i hear bz sleep quality is not good whereas antihistamine sleep quality seems to be better for me i have tried some dietary tryptophan loading stuff and that also seems to lower sleep quality i seem to wake up around 4 00 or so and be in some kind of mental haze until 7 00 or 8 00 also i would be interested in any other advice for helping my problem although ive already tried many of the non pharmacological solutions religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes consider your mother merlyn you know your mother what would you think of me if i asserted that your mother is 9 feet tall murdered your father and sexually abused you when you were a kid i would just go fetch my parents and show them to you and thereby prove quite definitively that my mother is not named merlyn she is not nine feet tall and my father is quite alive then i would assert quite simply that your deity does not exist and wait for a similar demonstration from you brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau cars re braindead drivers who dont look ahead i agree that if traffic is all blocked up and you want to pass you might not feel like moving over for someone behind you because you dont want to give them that one car length when they should just wait like you are but if youre one of those people that just sits behind the person and doesnt flash them with the high beams or pull left and flash them or ride their bumper or otherwise tell them that you do in fact want to go by and youre not just drafting them then get the hell out of the way of someone who will i especially hate it when you flash someone at the back of a line and they dont pass it on and theres also the issue of some cars being more intimidating to get people out of the way than others for instance 85 86 gts look pretty mean in a rearview mirror at night with the foglights on there have been plenty of times when ive broken up a pack that a second in line hyundai has been behind for miles you just need to know how to get their attention id like to see you use this method on a couple of semi drivers if they see you they usually acknowledge by sticking their hand out the window with their middle finger extended because it is also obvious to them that there is no clear lane ahead h h m medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article 1993apr15 200344 28013 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes 2 science has not historically progressed in any sort of rational experiment data theory sequence most experiments are carried out and interpreted in pre existing theoretical frameworks the theoretical controversies of the day determine which experiments get done overall there is a huge messy affair of personal jealousies crazy motivations petty hatreds and the like that determines which experiments and which computations get done what keeps it going forward is the critical function of science results dont count unless they can be replicated the whole system is a sort of mechanism for generate and test the generate part can be totally irrational as long as the test part works properly i think we agree on much however the paragraphs above seem to repeat uncritically the standard kuhn lakatos feyerabend view of progress and rationality in science since ive addressed these issues in this newsgroup in the not too distant past i wont go into them again now what is wrong with the above observation is that it explicitly gives the impression and you may not in fact hold this view that the common perhaps even the correct approach for a scientist to follow is to sit around having flights of fancy and scheming on the basis of his jealousies and petty hatreds it further at least implicitly advances the position that sciences goes forward and it is not clear what this means given the context in which it occurs by generating in a completely non rational and even random way a plethora of hypotheses and theories that are then weeded out via the critical function of science though why this critical function should be less subject to the non rational forces is a mystery if experimental design hypotheses creation and theory construction are subject to jealousies and petty hatreds then this must be equally true of the application of any critical function concerning replication this is what leads one ala feyerabend to an anything goes view true the generation part can be totally irrational but typically it is not anecdotes concerning instances where a hypothesis seems to have resulted in some way from a dream or from ones political views simply do not generalize well to the actual history of science gary h merrill principal systems developer c compiler development sas institute inc sas campus dr cary nc 27513 919 677 8000 sasghm theseus unx sas com mcnc sas sasghm guns re boston gun buy back from urbin interlan interlan com mark urbin rm just a short thought when you ask the question of the authorities or sponsors of buyback programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer no its total amnesty please note that the 50 given for each firearm in the boston buy back will not be in cash but money orders how much total amnesty can you get if you leave paper trail behind in the latest case in denver they were giving away tickets to a denver nuggets basketball game how traceable is a money order i dont know havent used one in 20 years is that even an issue if the weapons arent checked for being stolen ron windows re windows nt und x windows in article c69ybv 8wi acsu buffalo edu mongwa acsu buffalo edu kan mongwa says does anybody here know whether windows nt does will include a x windows server could you add some information to no it does not say for instance your source of information source for does not comment the cd rom and manuals for the march beta there is no x windows server there will there be of course even if microsoft supplies one with nt other vendors will no doubt port theirs to nt according to a recent newsletter from hummingbird communications ltd they announced exceede nt at uniforum 93 the announcement reads like it is here now but there is no order or price info i would guess it must be rsn there is a dev kit too guns re batf fbi revenge from article 93859 hydra gatech edu by gs26 prism gatech edu glenn r stone in 2077 rwing uucp pat rwing uucp pat myrto writes anybody for impeachment yeah me both the slickmeister and hillarys buddy janet say theyre responsible i want both their resignations on my desk yesterday i also want both thier butts up on federal civil rights violations something which carries life in prison as a penalty oh and ill contribute 20 to arlen specters presidential campaign for having the nads to launch the senate investigation i second that motion wholeheartedly also how about s tcanning the cigarette cops a k a as the atf comments anyone glenn r stone glenns eas gatech edu america in distress flag upside down sos save your republic before it no longer exists scott kennedy brewer and patriot before david koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the bible through the barrel of a gun atf spokesman after the atf is a cheap thug who interprets the constitution through the barrel of a gun me guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1993apr20 163730 16128 guinness idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu andrew betz writes in article c5rynw iz8 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes and i suppose the fbi also prevented them from coming out with their hands up while national tv cameras watch watch from where two miles away far enough away that whatever really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of a humiliated agency that said quote enough is enough please tell me what you think would have happened had the people come out with their hands up several weeks ago scenario that is simplest and most plausible i do not generally believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely scenarios the fbi sent letters to martin luther kings wife insinuating that mlk was having an affair again please tell us exactly how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government more than someone who would not release children from the compound i e more than david koresh vernon howell jesus christ i saw lengthy excerpts from an australian documentary made in 1992 that clearly showed that this was a cult i am not pleased with the batf handling of the affair i think they bungled it badly from the start but i dont think they are responsible for the fire which started in two different places the batf is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair but to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is ludicrous i suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to risk small arms fire to get some good footage these people were told to get the hell out of camera range why drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho when you outlaw rights only outlaws will have rights spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrection nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia mi5 mi6 kgb deuterium windows x windows for windows are there any x window servers that can run under ms windows i only know of deskview but have not seen it in action are there any others thanks in advance phil pmw0 lehigh edu baseball re when is melido due back melido came off the dl today and will start tonight against the rangers now if only he can go the distance so that the bullpen doesnt have to come in im outta here like vladimir alan sepinwall whats this this is ice this is what happens to water when it gets too cold this this is kent this is what happens to people when they get too sexually frustrated val kilmer real genius windows roman bmp 01 14in response to the requests for cool bitmaps i am posting one due to the resolution and size it is in 14 parts this is a uuencoded bitmap 960x600 256 colors the picture is a marbled gazebo on a desert with blue sky background the size is just right for centered wallpaper on a 1024x768 display because it leaves a border at the bottom just big enough for icons to fit in without being on top of the picture reguarding image quality and resolution i have not seen much better for those of you who havent worked with pieced image files here is how to put it back together 1 save the 14 parts to 14 individual files 2 use a text editor to remove the header and footer in each file 3 concatinate all the parts into a single file 4 uudecode the file there are tools available to do this without the hassle such as uuconvert unix and uucoder windows if neccesary i could post these tools or where to get them by ftp let me know part 1 of 14 begin 644 roman bmp m0dt s0 h p 8 h 4l dx2 g e95 4u9 8 m ht t a 55u k 769qly 1 y9 77 rljjun p ui 8d8 e 3 d0 m vznki55 u 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asv 4 1 a qm t3r6t44 t5s 9 6 mem t us144 t w3p s w t w3s t w1t w45 t t u 5 mw3q w47 71 w1t w t7 w45 13q p w w 1w3p 1 t m s w1emu 13q s w1t3r6 w11 t qs t5 17 w w45 t m1 s 5 13qs sq t s p t98 qs 113p t471145s s1 66 4 m q em t 1t3q y 1t ss11 145st466 t4 1 1 t5s t7 m s w1w7 t47 5 ed5 1466w t w11 w1 8 w w47 1 w q m17 w3p w471w47 t711 1 w w t uw t7 x71a w a w w w w mw w w7 w w x7 0 w w w t 27 x5 tgc2 x c0 e 24 c end of part 1 of 14 keywords bitmap wallpaper windows disk image question hello recently i noticed there is a directory named diskimage in my disk i didnt notice it before and i wonder if while installing an application an image of the disk was created or if win3 1 automatically created a backup of its files i couldnt find any documentation on the diskimage utility having an image of the disk is taking a lot of disk space does anybody know if this is just something the people who installed win3 1 did or it is a backup mechanism thanks anibal anibal mayorga 21 wenark dr 7 w 302 831 8704 mayorga cis udel edu newark de 19713 h 302 453 0309 guns re need info on 43 1 and suicide for refutation heres something preston covey professor of ethics at cmu wrote from preston k covey covey andrew cmu edu subject gun stats mortal risks date mon 15 feb 1993 18 35 05 0500 est folks hail from the nether world on february 4th the wall street journal carried a front page article by erik larson entitled armed force i felt a reply was in order to his citation of the notorious scare stat that a gun is 43 times more likely to kill than to protect i sent the following to the wsj gun stats mortal risks preston k covey erik larson s even handed article on paxton quigley armed force 2 4 93 wsj cites the world s most notorious statistic regarding guns in the home a pioneering study of residential gunshot deaths in king county washington found that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner spouse a friend or child than to kill an intruder the 43 times stat is everywhere these days it has grown in media lore like the proverbial urban myth it was inflated by one pugilistic talk show pundit to 93 given the shock value of the finding the conclusion of the 1986 new england journal of medicine nejm study is remarkably understated the advisability of keeping firearms in the home for protection must be questioned responsible people should indeed question the risks and benefits of bringing a firearm into their home but what we need to know is this what exactly are the risks and benefits the nejm testimony is neither the whole truth about the benefits nor nothing but the truth about the risks further as with motor vehicles we want to know what control do we have over the risks and benefits and as with the risks of cancer or heart disease or auto accidents how can we minimize the risks like raw highway death tolls the nejm stat is not very helpful here the nejm finding purports to inform us but it is framed to warn us off it is widely promulgated in the media as a scare stat a misleading half truth whose very formulation is calculated to prejudice and terrify the frightful statistic screams for itself the risks far outweigh the benefits yes what fool would run these risks if your car were 43 times more likely to kill you a loved one a dear friend or an innocent child than to get you to your destination should you not take the bus uncritical citation puts the good name of statistics in the bad company of lies and damned lies surely we can do better where lives are at stake let s take a closer look at this risky business the 43 times stat of the nejm study is the product of dividing the number of home intruders aggressors justifiably killed in self defense the divisor into the number of family members or acquaintances killed by a gun in the home the dividend the divisor of this risk equation is 9 in the study s five year sample there were 2 intruders and 7 other cases of self defense the dividend is 387 in the study there were 12 accidental deaths 42 criminal homicides and 333 suicides 387 divided by 9 yields 43 there were a total of 743 gun related deaths in king county between 1978 and 1983 so the study leaves 347 deaths outside of homes unaccounted the nejm s notorious 43 times statistic is seriously misleading on six counts 1 the dividend is misleadingly characterized in the media the or acquaintances of the study who include your friendly drug dealers and neighborhood gang members is equated to friends the implication is that the offending guns target and kill only beloved family members dear friends and innocent children deaths may all be equally tragic but the character and circumstance of both victims and killers are relevant to the risk these crucial risk factors are masked by the calculated impression that the death toll is generated by witless waltons shooting dear friends and friendly neighbors this is criminological hogwash 2 the study itself does not distinguish households or environs populated by people with violent criminal or substance abuse histories where the risk of death is very high versus households inhabited by more civil folk for example people who avoid high risk activities like drug dealing gang banging and wife beating where the risk is very low indeed in actuality negligent adults allow fatal but avoidable accidents and homicides are perpetrated mostly by people with histories of violence or abuse people who are identifiably and certifiably at high risk for misadventure to ignore these obvious risk factors in firearm accidents and homicides is as misleading as ignoring the role of alcohol in vehicular deaths by tautology neither gun deaths nor vehicular deaths would occur without firearms or vehicles but the person and circumstance of the gun owner or driver crucially affect the risk 3 one misleading implication of the way the nejm stat is framed is that the mere presence of a gun in the home is much more likely to kill than to protect and this obscures indeed disregards the role of personal responsibility the typical quotation of this study unlike larson s attributes fatal agency to the gun a gun in the home is 43 times as likely to kill the center to prevent handgun violence a major promulgator of the nejm statistic uses this particular formulation we can dispense with the silly debate about whether it s people or guns that accomplish the killing again by tautology gun deaths would not occur without the guns the question begged is how many deaths would occur anyway without the guns in any case people are the death dealing agents the guns are their lethal instruments the moral core of the personal risk factors in gun deaths are personal responsibility and choice due care and responsibility obviate gun accidents human choice mediates homicide and suicide by gun or otherwise the choice to own a gun need not condemn a person to nejm s high risk pool the gun does not create this risk by itself people have a lot to say about what risk they run with guns in their homes for example graduates of paxton quigley s personal protection course do not run the touted 43 times risk any more than skilled and sober drivers run the same risks of causing or suffering vehicular death as do reckless or drunk drivers undiscriminating actuarials disregard and obscure the role of personal responsibility and choice just as they disregard and obscure the role of socio economic criminological and other risk relevant factors in firearm related death this is why we resent insurance premiums and actuarial consigment to risk pools whose norms disregard our individualities fortunately nothing can consign us to the nejm risk pool but our own lack of choice or responsibility in the matter 4 suicide accounts for 84 of the deaths by gun in the home in the nejm study as against the total deaths by gun in king county including those outside the home in house suicides are 44 of the total death toll which is closer to the roughly 50 proportion found by other studies suicide is a social problem of a very different order from homicide or accidents the implication of the nejm study is that these suicides might not occur without readily available guns it is true that attempted suicide by gun is likely to succeed it is not obviously true that the absence of a gun would prevent any or all of these suicides this is widely assumed or alleged but the preponderance of research on guns and suicide actually shows otherwise that this is wishful thinking in all but a few truly impulsive cases see bruce l danto et al the human side of homicide columbia university press 1982 charles rich et al guns and suicide american journal of psychiatry march 1990 if suicides were removed from the dividend of the nejm study s risk equation the 43 times stat would deflate to six the inclusion of suicides in the nejm risk equation like the causes durability or interdiction of suicidal intent itself is a profoundly debatable matter quotations of the nejm study totally disregard this issue 5 citations of the nejm study also mislead regarding the estimable rate of justifiable and excusable homicide most measures like the nejm homicide rate are based on the immediate disposition of cases but many homicides initially ruled criminal are appealed and later ruled self defense in the literature on battered women immediate case dispositions are notorious for under representing the rate of justifiable or excusable homicide time s january 18 1993 cover story on women fighting back reported one study s finding that 40 of women who appeal have their murder convictions thrown out time s july 17 1989 cover story on a week of gun deaths reported 51 of the domestic cases as shootings by abuse victims but only 3 of the homicides were reported as self defense in a may 14 1990 update time reported that 12 of the homicides had eventually been ruled self defense in time s sample the originally reported rate of self defense was in error by a factor of four the possibility of such error is not acknowledged by promulgators of the nejm statistic 6 while both the dividend and the product of the nejm risk equation are arguably inflated the divisor is unconscionably misleading the divisor of this equation counts only aggressors who are killed not aggressors who are successfully thwarted without being killed or even shot at the utility of armed self defense is the other side of the coin from the harms done with guns in homes what kind of moral idiocy is it to measure this utility only in terms of killings do we measure the utility of our police solely in terms of felons killed as opposed to the many many more who are otherwise foiled apprehended or deterred should we not celebrate let alone count those cases where no human life is lost as successful armed defenses the question posed to media that cite the nejm scare stat is this why neglect the compendious research on successful armed defense notably by criminologist gary kleck point blank guns and violence in america aldine de gruyter 1992 kleck s estimations of the rate and risk of defensive firearm use are based on victimization surveys as well as other studies the rate is high about one million a year and the risk is good gun defenders fare better than anyone either those who resort to other forms of resistance or those who do not resist dividing one million gun defenses a year by 30 000 annual gun deaths from self defense homicides suicides and accidents yields 33 thus we can construct a much more favorable statistic than the nejm scare stat a gun is 33 times more likely to be used to defend against assault or other crime than to kill anybody of course kleck s critics belittle the dividend of this calculation what is good news for gun defenders is bad news for gun control we should indeed question the basis and method of kleck s high estimation of defensive firearm use as i have questioned the nejm statistic clearly the issue of how to manage mortal risks is not settled by uncritical citation of statistics one thing troubles me still we can hardly escape the unquestioned nejm scare stat in our media but we hardly ever find kleck s good work mentioned even critically larry cipriani l v cipriani att com windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 1tasvi 5qu lll winken llnl gov d fuess writes i for one like windows prior to 3 0 i had little use for it because of early problems since 3 0 it is my preferred operating system nah if ms windows 3 1 were an operating system so would be x windows motif geoworks desqview the shareware win boss c library and that whats its name text based windowing system written in applesoft that ran on the old faithful apple ii note the similarity all of the above rely on some underlying real os imho they are windowing systems and just that some are cooler than others though whay guns re congress to review atfs status in article c5vzhf d5k cbnews cb att com lvc cbnews cb att com larry cipriani writes washington upi as part of its investigation of the deadly confrontation with a texas cult congress will consider whether the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms should be moved from the treasury department to the justice department senators said wednesday the idea will be considered because of the violent and fatal events at the beginning and end of the agencys confrontation with the branch davidian cult of course when the catbox begines to smell simply transfer its contents into the potted plant in the foyer why hillary your government smells so fresh cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx remove legend from the v 8 list its a 6 steve morris m a internet smorris sumax seattleu edu addiction studies pgm uucp uw beaver uunet gtenmc dataio sumax smorris seattle university phone 206 296 5350 dept or 296 5351 direct seattle wa 98122 baseball re braves update in article 1993apr19 194025 8967 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes in article 13512 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes that hed been thrown out and gant had a legitimate beef about the 1 0 pitch that was called a strike a reasonable umpire would not have tried to force gant back into the box in that situation a reasonable umpire would do as hes been instructed to do this season get the batters back in the box sooner to try to cut down on the ridiculous length of games i for one am glad to see this happen and hope more umpires will do as hirschbeck did in instructing the pitcher to pitch if the batter wont get back in the box so what if the previous strike call was bogus its in the past it cant be changed get back in there and deal with the next pitch sorry sherri but i cant agree with this particular incident while im all for cutting down the number of chain rattles and other examples of rampant hargroving there was a difference here 1 since time immemorial batters have complained about calls so have pitchers and catchers usually nothing happens unless the league notified teams this year about not allowing complaints hirschbeck was acting against expectations 2 its not as if gant was in hirschbecks face gant said something about the call stepped out of the box and turned away from hirschbeck as a hitter alibet of little consequence but with a decent eye whenever receiving the short end of the stick on a questionable call id want a moment or two out of the box if for no other reason than to rethink the strike zone based on the experience of the last pitch and if i was really angry at the ump id rather turn away and catch my breath than turn to him and say something that might get me tossed especially at a key moment in the game when gant turned away hirschbeck immediately motioned for gant to step into the box imo at this point in time hirschbeck was determined to show gant exactly who was in charge of this game gant wasnt dawdling he hadnt had a chance to dawdle and hirschbeck was simply exercising a power play gant resisted as many of us might to what we thought was an unreasonable request and hirschbeck called for the pitch at that point cox came out on the field the pitch was thrown and many other braves left the dugout cox was tossed protecting his player i was pleasantly surprised that gant kept his cool enough to stay in the game its a small sample size but based on what i saw in that game mark hirschbeck has a hair trigger temper and a need to play god on the field not good qualities for an umpire i will keep my eyes open for future appearances of hirschbeck in the future in order to improve my sample size imo any game where you remember the name of the umpire was a bad game for the umpire eric roush baseball re wfan i hope that this comes off as a somewhat unbiased assesment of wfan and wip i go to school in philadelphia and i listen to both stations on a consistant basis now that the fan has mike lupica on from 10 to noon they have a person who can get the big name guests for interviews and not just of local importance he did have dave cheketts and fred wilpon on his show but he had bob costas and magic johnson on too now here are my opinions of the two stations competing talent morning show in my opinion i think imus is much better than bruno cataldi and morganti even though i would feel different if morganti had a better crew of people to work with to me wip tries to copy imus but make it all sports as a theme in terms of sports imus lacks the blanketing of the airwaves but he interjects humor and politics into his show 10 am to 12 noon i think chuck cooperstein and lupica are equal in their abilities to host a radio show but i think chuck has the advantage over lupica in terms of dealing with the caller who is asking about who the local team is going to draft in the sixth round lupica and the other hosts on fan get better interview guests but i heard the pd of wip say that they were not interested in interviews with celebrities unless it was a major story i would consider this even because they are two different styles of host 12 noon to 2 pm at this point i would have to give a big advantage to jody mcdonald over len berman because lenny has only been on for a couple of weeks i just think jm has the ability to transcend the homer mentality of the philadelphia fan base this is most evident when the iggles philadelphia spelling play the cowboys because jm is a huge dallas fan where else can you have people call up and predict a 93 0 score without the egging of the hosts re wip morning guys i do agree that jm was great on the fan weekend overnight and i miss hearing him over the current crop of rotating hosts i feel that jm is the best sportstalk host on either station by a good margin if you are in ny and you cant get wip jm does fill in on the weekends sometimes 2pm to 4pm this is the time when jm goes up against francesa and russo fatso and froot loops and i become the most divided in my loyalties mike and the dog are very entertaining but they often go an hour or so without calls or even 10 to 20 minutes without talking about sports matd do get great guests and that is the basis for their show so it is like the 10 to 12 debate another plus is the appearances by mike and chris on imus in the morning which are often hilarious 4 pm to 7 pm matd go up against fredericks and missanelli i like mike missanelli but i just cant stomach steve fredericks i know that sf came from philly originally but when he was at the fan he was a ny homer as much as he is a philly homer now i dont listen to wip much after 4 pm unless there is a game on that night but you will see later for the reason that is why i give the advantage to fan 7 pm to midnight s m are on wip until 8 and then it is the man who makes eli that calls matd all the time seem like a novice on charges of racism g cobb this man is so grating on my nerves that if i listen to him for a few minutes i go nuts i know that is biased but listen to his show on fan there is usually a game on knicks rangers mets jets or st johns basketball if the game is on the west coast then it is usually howie rose of course i think dead air would be better than g cobb on wip but wip does air sixers and flyers games during the season if this is the sports station why did they lose the iggles to wysp home of howard stern in phil during the summer it is all talk on wip overall i would have to give the advantage to wfan with the exception of 10 to 12 and 2 to 4 where it is even and 12 to 2 where wip has the advantage rich youve read the hat now see the movie imus in the morning a blurb youre a blurb seinfeld religion re is it good that jesus died in article 1993apr22 213142 6964 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes and we do not end perfect either we are never perfect can you name one person young or old past or present that you deem perfect krishna bg10 20 miller i am the self abiding in the heart of all creatures i am their beginning their middle and their end bg10 32 miller i am the beginning the middle and the end of creations arjuna of sciences i am the science of the self i am the dispute of orators bg10 41 miller whatever is powerful lucid splendid or invulnerable has its source in a fragment of my brilliance 42 what use is so much knowledge to you arjuna i stand sustaining this entire world with a fragment of my being bg11 32 miller i am time grown old i can provide more names of perfect people should just one be insufficient guns re clipper chip in article 1993apr20 183938 8024 news columbia edu pes3 cunixf cc columbia edu paul eric stoufflet writes i thought that the clipper chip that was posted to t p g sorry i lost the original post was a joke i really did i didnt believe it for a second but on the way to work this morning i heard about it on npr no joke heres another copy for you to save npr hmmm did they mention the part about the fact of law enforcement access to the escrowed keys will not be concealed from the american public newsgroups talk politics guns path dg rtp psinntp uunet news claremont edu elroy jpl nasa gov sdd hp com decwrl pa dec com uiboise idbsu edu blh from blh uiboise idbsu edu broward l horne message id 9304191630 aa03993 inet gw 2 pa dec com subject heil clinton date sun 18 apr 93 11 50 13 mdt x received by usenet pa dec com id aa21120 mon 19 apr 93 09 30 51 0700 x received by inet gw 2 pa dec com id aa03993 mon 19 apr 93 09 30 17 0700 x received by uiboise idbsu edu 16 6 16 2 id aa01185 sun 18 apr 93 11 50 14 0600 x to talk politics guns usenet x mailer elm revision 66 25 lines 112 although the subject matter of this re posting is not directly related to talk politics guns i believe that the information here will be of interest to a large number of readers especially considering our latest batf escapade from clipper csrc ncsl nist gov clipper chip announcement subject white house public encryption management fact sheet message id c5lgaz 250 dove nist gov sender news dove nist gov organization national institute of standards technology distribution na date fri 16 apr 1993 20 44 58 gmt lines 94 note the following was released by the white house today in conjunction with the announcement of the clipper chip encryption technology fact sheet public encryption management the president has approved a directive on public encryption management the directive provides for the following advanced telecommunications and commercially available encryption are part of a wave of new computer and communications technology encryption products scramble information to protect the privacy of communications and data by preventing unauthorized access advanced telecommunications systems use digital technology to rapidly and precisely handle a high volume of communications these advanced telecommunications systems are integral to the infrastructure needed to ensure economic competitiveness in the information age despite its benefits new communications technology can also frustrate lawful government electronic surveillance sophisticated encryption can have this effect in the united states when exported abroad it can be used to thwart foreign intelligence activities critical to our national interests in the past it has been possible to preserve a government capability to conduct electronic surveillance in furtherance of legitimate law enforcement and national security interests while at the same time protecting the privacy and civil liberties of all citizens as encryption technology improves doing so will require new innovative approaches in the area of communications encryption the u s government has developed a microcircuit that not only provides privacy through encryption that is substantially more robust than the current government standard but also permits escrowing of the keys needed to unlock the encryption the system for the escrowing of keys will allow the government to gain access to encrypted information only with appropriate legal authorization to assist law enforcement and other government agencies to collect and decrypt under legal authority electronically transmitted information i hereby direct the following action to be taken installation of government developed microcircuits the attorney general of the united states or her representative shall request manufacturers of communications hardware which incorporates encryption to install the u s government developed key escrow microcircuits in their products the fact of law enforcement access to the escrowed keys will not be concealed from the american public all appropriate steps shall be taken to ensure that any existing or future versions of the key escrow microcircuit are made widely available to u s communications hardware manufacturers consistent with the need to ensure the security of the key escrow system in making this decision i do not intend to prevent the private sector from developing or the government from approving other microcircuits or algorithms that are equally effective in assuring both privacy and a secure key escrow system key escrow the attorney general shall make all arrangements with appropriate entities to hold the keys for the key escrow microcircuits installed in communications equipment in each case the key holder must agree to strict security procedures to prevent unauthorized release of the keys the keys shall be released only to government agencies that have established their authority to acquire the content of those communications that have been encrypted by devices containing the microcircuits the attorney general shall review for legal sufficiency the procedures by which an agency establishes its authority to acquire the content of such communications procurement and use of encryption devices the secretary of commerce in consultation with other appropriate u s agencies shall initiate a process to write standards to facilitate the procurement and use of encryption devices fitted with key escrow microcircuits in federal communications systems that process sensitive but unclassified information i expect this process to proceed on a schedule that will permit promulgation of a final standard within six months of this directive the attorney general will procure and utilize encryption devices to the extent needed to preserve the governments ability to conduct lawful electronic surveillance and to fulfill the need for secure law enforcement communications further the attorney general shall utilize funds from the department of justice asset forfeiture super surplus fund to effect this purchase religion larsonian astronomy physics creation the following partial summary of a theory of the universe includes a little known description of the creation of our solar system larsonian astronomy and physics orthodox physicists astronomers and astrophysicists claim to be looking for a unified field theory in which all of the forces of the universe can be explained with a single set of laws or equations but they have been systematically ignoring or suppressing an excellent one for 30 years the late physicist dewey b larsons comprehensive general unified theory of the physical universe which he calls the reciprocal system is built on two fundamental postulates about the physical and mathematical natures of space and time 1 the physical universe is composed entirely of one component motion existing in three dimensions in discrete units and in two reciprocal forms space and time 2 the physical universe conforms to the relations of ordinary commutative mathematics its magnitudes are absolute and its geometry is euclidean from these two postulates larson developed a complete theoretical universe using various combinations of translational vibrational rotational and vibrational rotational motions the concepts of in ward and out ward scalar motions and speeds in relation to the speed of light which larson called unit velocity and the natural datum at each step in the development larson was able to match objects in his theoretical universe with objects in the real physical universe photons sub atomic particles incomplete atoms charges atoms molecules globular star clusters galaxies binary star systems solar systems white dwarf stars pulsars quasars etc even objects not yet discovered then such as exploding galaxies and gamma ray bursts and applying his theory to his new model of the atom larson was able to precisely and accurately calculate inter atomic distances in crystals and molecules compressibility and thermal expansion of solids and other properties of matter all of this is described in good detail with out fancy complex mathematics in his books books of dewey b larson the following is a complete list of the late physicist dewey b larsons books about his comprehensive general unified theory of the physical universe some of the early books are out of print now but still available through inter library loan the structure of the physical universe 1959 the case against the nuclear atom 1963 beyond newton 1964 new light on space and time 1965 quasars and pulsars 1971 nothing but motion 1979 a 9 50 substitute for the 8 3 billion super collider the last four chapters explain chemical bonding the neglected facts of science 1982 the universe of motion 1984 final solutions to most all astrophysical mysteries basic properties of matter 1988 all but the last of these books were published by north pacific publishers p o box 13255 portland or 97213 and should be available via inter library loan if your local university or public library doesnt have each of them several of them including the last one are available from the international society of unified science isus 1680 e atkin ave salt lake city utah 84106 this is the organization that was started to promote larsons theory they have other related publications including the quarterly journal reciprocity physicist dewey b larsons background physicist dewey b larson was a retired engineer chemical or electrical he was about 91 years old when he died in may 1989 he had a bachelor of science degree in engineering science from oregon state university he developed his comprehensive general unified theory of the physical universe while trying to develop a way to compute chemical properties based only on the elements used larsons lack of a fancy ph d degree might be one reason that orthodox physicists are ignoring him but it is not a valid reason sometimes it takes a relative outsider to clearly see the forest through the trees at the same time it is clear from his books that he also knew orthodox physics and astronomy as well as any physicist or astronomer well enough to point out all their contradictions ad hoc assumptions principles of impotence in consistencies etc larson did not have the funds etc to experimentally test his theory and it was not necessary for him to do so he simply compared the various parts of his theory with other researchers experimental and observational data and in many cases his explanation fit better a self consistent theory is much more than the orthodox physicists and astronomers have they claim to be looking for a unified field theory that works but have been ignoring one for over 30 years now modern physics does not explain the physical universe so well some parts of some of larsons books are full of quotations of leading orthodox physicists and astronomers who agree and remember that epicycles crystal spheres geocentricity flat earth theory etc also once seemed to explain it well but were later proved conceptually wrong prof frank h meyer professor emeritus of uw superior was is a strong proponent of larsons theory and was or still is president of larsons organization the international society of unified science and editor of their quarterly journal reciprocity he moved to minneapolis after retiring super collider boondoggle i am against contruction of the superconducting super collider in texas or anywhere else it would be a gross waste of money and contribute almost nothing of scientific value most physicists dont realize it but according to the comprehensive general unified theory of the late physicist dewey b larson as described in his books the strange goofy particles mesons hyperons alleged quarks etc which they are finding in existing colliders fermi lab cern etc are really just atoms of anti matter which are created by the high energy colliding beams and which quickly disintegrate like cosmic rays because they are incompatible with their environment a larger and more expensive collider will only create a few more elements of anti matter that the physicists have not seen there before and the physicists will be even more confused than they are now are a few more types of anti matter atoms worth the 8 3 billion cost dont we have much more important uses for this wasted money another thing to consider is that the primary proposed location in texas has a serious and growing problem with some kind of fire ants eating the insulation off underground cables how much poisoning of the ground and ground water with insecticides will be required to keep the ants out of the supercollider naming the super collider after ronald reagon as proposed is totally absurd if it is built it should be named after a leading particle physicist larsonian anti matter in larsons comprehensive general unified theory of the physical universe anti matter is not a simple case of opposite charges of the same types of particles it has more to do with the rates of vibrations and rotations of the photons of which they are made in relation to the vibrational and rotational equivalents of the speed of light which larson calls unit velocity and the natural datum in larsons theory a positron is actually a particle of matter not anti matter when a positron and electron meet the rotational vibrations charges and rotations of their respective photons of which they are made neutralize each other in larsons theory the anti matter half of the physical universe has three dimensions of time and only one dimension of space and exists in a reciprocal relationship to our material half larsonian relativity the perihelion point in the orbit of the planet mercury has been observed and precisely measured to advance at the rate of 574 seconds of arc per century 531 seconds of this advance are attributed via calculations to gravitational perturbations from the other planets venus earth jupiter etc the remaining 43 seconds of arc are being used to help prove einsteins general theory of relativity but the late physicist dewey b larson achieved results closer to the 43 seconds than general relativity can by instead using special relativity in one or more of his books he applied the lorentz transformation on the high orbital speed of mercury larson totally rejected general relativity as another mathematical fantasy he also rejected most of special relativity including the parts about mass increases near the speed of light and the use of the lorentz transform on doppler shifts those quasars with red shifts greater than 1 000 really are moving faster than the speed of light although most of that motion is away from us in time in larsons comprehensive general unified theory of the physical universe there are three dimensions of time instead of only one but two of those dimensions can not be measured from our material half of the physical universe the one dimension that we can measure is the clock time at low relative speeds the values of the other two dimensions are negligible but at high speeds they become significant and the lorentz transformation must be used as a fudge factor larson often used the term coordinate time when writing about this in regard to mass increases it has been proven in atomic accelerators that acceleration drops toward zero near the speed of light but the formula for acceleration is acceleration force mass a f m orthodox physicists are ignoring the third factor force in larsons theory mass stays constant and force drops toward zero force is actually a motion or combinations of motions or relations between motions including inward and outward scalar motions the expansion of the universe for example is an outward scalar motion inherent in the universe and not a result of the so called big bang which is yet another mathematical fantasy the universe of motion i wish to recommend to everyone the book the universe of motion by dewey b larson 1984 north pacific publishers p o box 13255 portland oregon 97213 456 pages indexed hardcover it contains the astrophysical portions of a general unified theory of the physical universe developed by that author an unrecognized genius more than thirty years ago it contains final solutions to most all astrophysical mysteries including the formation of galaxies binary and multiple star systems and solar systems the true origin of the 3 degree background radiation cosmic rays and gamma ray bursts and the true nature of quasars pulsars white dwarfs exploding galaxies etc it contains what astronomers and astrophysicists are all looking for if they are ready to seriously consider it with open minds the following is an example of his theorys success in his first book in 1959 the structure of the physical universe larson predicted the existence of exploding galaxies several years before astronomers started finding them they are a necessary consequence of larsons comprehensive theory and when quasars were discovered he had an immediate related explanation for them also gamma ray bursts astro physicists and astronomers are still scratching their heads about the mysterious gamma ray bursts they were originally thought to originate from neutron stars in the disc of our galaxy but the new gamma ray telescope now in earth orbit has been detecting them in all directions uniformly and their source locations in space do not correspond to any known objects except for a few cases of directional coincidence gamma ray bursts are a necessary consequence of the general unified theory of the physical universe developed by the late physicist dewey b larson according to page 386 of his book the universe of motion published in 1984 the gamma ray bursts are coming from supernova explosions in the anti matter half of the physical universe which larson calls the cosmic sector because of the relationship between the anti matter and material halves of the physical universe and the way they are connected together the gamma ray bursts can pop into our material half anywhere in space seemingly at random this is why the source locations of the bursts do not correspond with known objects and come from all directions uniformly i wonder how close to us in space a source location would have to be for a gamma ray burst to kill all or most life on earth there would be no way to predict one nor to stop it perhaps some of the mass extinctions of the past which are now being blamed on impacts of comets and asteroids were actually caused by nearby gamma ray bursts larsonian binary star formation about half of all the stars in the galaxy in the vicinity of the sun are binary or double but orthodox astronomers and astrophysicists still have no satisfactory theory about how they form or why there are so many of them but binary star systems are actually a likely consequence of the comprehensive general unified theory of the physical universe developed by the late physicist dewey b larson i will try to summarize larsons explanation which is detailed in chapter 7 of his book the universe of motion and in some of his other books first of all according to larson stars do not generate energy by fusion a small fraction comes from slow gravitational collapse the rest results from the complete annihilation of heavy elements heavier than iron each element has a destructive temperature limit the heavier the element is the lower is this limit a stars internal temperature increases as it grows in mass via accretion and absorption of the decay products of cosmic rays gradually reaching the destructive temperature limit of lighter and lighter elements when the internal temperature of the star reaches the destructive temperature limit of iron there is a type i supernova explosion this is because there is so much iron present and that is related to the structure of iron atoms and the atom building process which larson explains in some of his books better than i can when the star explodes the lighter material on the outer portion of the star is blown outward in space at less than the speed of light the heavier material in the center portion of the star was already bouncing around at close to the speed of light because of the high temperature the explosion pushes that material over the speed of light and it expands outward in time which is equivalent to inward in space and it often actually disappears for a while over long periods of time both masses start to fall back gravitationally the material that had been blown outward in space now starts to form a red giant star the material that had been blown outward in time starts to form a white dwarf star both stars then start moving back toward the main sequence from opposite directions on the h r diagram the chances of the two masses falling back into the exact same location in space making a single lone star again are near zero they will instead form a binary system orbiting each other according to larson a white dwarf star has an inverse density gradient is densest at its surface because the material at its center is most widely dispersed blown outward in time this eliminates the need to resort to mathematical fantasies about degenerate matter neutron stars black holes etc larsonian solar system formation if the mass of the heavy material at the center of the exploding star is relatively small then instead of a single white dwarf star there will be several mini white dwarf stars revolving around the red giant star but probably still too far away in three dimensional time to be affected by its heat etc these will become planets in chapter 7 of the universe of motion larson used all this information and other principles of his comprehensive general unified theory of the physical universe to derive his own version of bodes law black hole fantasy i heard that physicist stephen w hawking recently completed a theoretical mathematical analysis of two black holes merging together into a single black hole and concluded that the new black hole would have more mass than the sum of the two original black holes such a result should be recognized by everyone as a red flag causing widespread doubt about the whole idea of black holes etc after reading physicist dewey b larsons books about his comprehensive general unified theory of the physical universe especially his book the universe of motion it is clear to me that black holes are nothing more than mathematical fantasies the strange object at cygnus x 1 is just an unusually massive white dwarf star not the black hole that orthodox astronomers and physicists so badly want to prove their theory by the way i do not understand why so much publicity is being given to physicist stephen hawking the physicists and astronomers seem to be acting as if hawkings severe physical problem somehow makes him wiser it does not i wish the same attention had been given to physicist dewey b larson while he was still alive widespread publicity and attention should now be given to larsons theory books and organization the international society of unified science electro magnetic propulsion i heard of that concept many years ago in connection with ufos and unorthodox inventors but i never was able to find out how or why they work or how they are constructed i found a possible clue about why they might work on pages 112 113 of the book basic properties of matter by the late physicist dewey b larson which describes part of larsons comprehensive general unified theory of the physical universe i quote one paragraph as indicated in the preceding chapter the development of the theory of the universe of motion arrives at a totally different concept of the nature of electrical resistance the electrons we find are derived from the environment it was brought out in volume i larsons book nothing but motion that there are physical processes in operation which produce electrons in substantial quantities and that although the motions that constitute these electrons are in many cases absorbed by atomic structures the opportunities for utilizing this type of motion in such structures are limited it follows that there is always a large excess of free electrons in the material sector material half of the universe most of which are uncharged in this uncharged state the electrons cannot move with respect to extension space because they are inherently rotating units of space and the relation of space to space is not motion in open space therefore each uncharged electron remains permanently in the same location with respect to the natural reference system in the manner of a photon in the context of the stationary spatial reference system the uncharged electron like the photon is carried outward at the speed of light by the progression of the natural reference system all material aggregates are thus exposed to a flux of electrons similar to the continual bombardment by photons of radiation meanwhile there are other processes to be discussed later whereby electrons are returned to the environment the electron population of a material aggregate such as the earth therefore stabilizes at an equilibrium level note that in larsons theory uncharged electrons are also massless and are basically photons of light of a particular frequency above the unit frequency spinning around one axis at a particular rate below the unit rate unit velocity is the speed of light and there are vibrational and rotational equivalents to the speed of light according to larsons theory i might have the above and below labels mixed up larson is saying that outer space is filled with mass less un charged electrons flying around at the speed of light if this is true then the electro magnetic propulsion fields of spacecraft might be able to interact with these electrons or other particles in space perhaps giving them a charge and mass and shooting them toward the rear to achieve propulsion in larsons theory an electrical charge is a one dimensional rotational vibration of a particular frequency above the unit frequency superimposed on the rotation of the particle the paragraph quoted above might also give a clue to confused meteorologists about how and why lightning is generated in clouds suppression of larsonian physics the comprehensive general unified theory of the physical universe developed by the late physicist dewey b larson has been available for more than 30 years published in 1959 in his first book the structure of the physical universe it is totally un scientific for hawking wheeler sagan and the other sacred priests of the religion they call science or physics or astronomy etc as well as the scientific literature and the education systems to totally ignore larsons theory has they have larsons theory has excellent explanations for many things now puzzling orthodox physicists and astronomers such as gamma ray bursts and the nature of quasars larsons theory deserves to be honestly and openly discussed in the physics chemistry and astronomy journals in the u s and elsewhere and at least the basic principles of larsons theory should be included in all related courses at uw ec uw madison cambridge cornell university and elsewhere so that students are not kept in the dark about a worthy alternative to the dogma they are being fed for more information answers to your questions etc please consult my cited sources especially larsons books un altered reproduction and dissemination of this important partial summary is encouraged robert e mcelwaine b s physics and astronomy uw ec baseball white sox mailing list hi gang id like to subscribe to the white sox mailing list if one exists can someone please e mail me the address thanks alot john jhunter mta ca windows windows on line review uploaded i have uploaded the windows on line review shareware edition to ftp cica indiana edu as pub pc win3 uploads wolrs7 zip it is an on line magazine which contains reviews of some shareware products i grabbed it from the windows on line bbs greg reinacker 303 223 5100 x9289 ncr microelectronic products division voiceplus 464 9289 2001 danfield court greg reinacker ftcollinsco ncr com fort collins co 80525 cars prizms radio question i was lloking at the geo prizm lsi today very nice anyway i had a questions that the salesperson couldnt answer how does the theft deterrent on the prizms audio systems work cant find the answer in any of geos lterature thanks in advance archie holmes cars re integra gsr in article 3mwf2b1w165w njcc wisdom bubble org jonc njcc wisdom bubble org j on cochran writes id like to add the beretta gtz as a car which will kick gs r butt anyday and its a lot cheaper to boot i will take this one with a definate grain of salt performance data shows a if this poster has some proof other than my friend blew one away last week want proof here is some data on acceleration and handling from motor trend apr 93 integra gs r beretta gtz 0 60 7 7 7 7 1 4 mile 16 0 88 1 16 1 87 8 l acc gs 84 86 slalom 63 7 68 4 wrong why dont you look again at motor trends slalom times they are 67 9 right along with the integra and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that are all weather xgtv4 not to mention that the integra rides alot better than a beretta your acceleartion times also vary magazine to magazine road track and car driver have the gs r at 6 8 to 8 0 for road and track also quarter mile times vary from 15 4 to 16 1 you cant tell exactly by the numbers furthermore the integra will definately outrun the beretta on the high end car driver and road track have the gs r doing 136 to 141 mph and it gets there fast so the beretta can out handle the integra and it can certainly keep up with it in acceleration and the beretta probably has a higher top speed due to the horsepower advantage 160 117 hp torque for the integra vs 180 160 for the beretta you always believe those exact numbers why dont you drive a gs r and see for your self while the gs r has a low 117 torqye its high gearing over a 8000 rpm make up for the difference still wouldnt call it a torque moster though the biggest advantage would have to be the price the integra costs 19 111 as tested motor trend the gtz costs 16 134 as tested the gtz also has standard nicities and airbag and antilock brakes an airbag is not available on the integra and lower models do not have abs considering you save almost 3 000 dollars for the beretta and the quad4 is a reliable engine it doesnt make sense to get the integra as a performance coupe which is what people have been trying to make it out to be quad 4 reliable yeah whats your definition of reliable if thats reliable then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect not to mention a hell of alot smoother and quieter balance shafts the acura has the engine wins the reliablity contest hands down you can rev that car all day everyday and youll never blow a hose or crack the block or anything else i speak from expierence im not saying the quad 4 is a bad engine but dont highlight reliability when you comparing it to a acura engine and while the integra costs alot more it is a better investment since it will hold its value considerably much better and does a nice job at being a sporty car and practical at the same time note this isnt a flame on the gtz or other gm quad 4 products the berreta is a nice car and puts out respectable performance and a very reasonable price not to mention it has an airbag but to start quoting figures from one source isnt too reliable read other sources and drive both cars while i havent driven a gtz i have driven gts and grand ams with quad 4 engines so they are similair windows re diamond ss24x win 3 1 mouse cursor in article 1993apr15 204845 24939 nlm nih gov dabl2 nlm nih gov don a b lindbergh writes anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the diamond 1024x768x256 driver sorry dont know the version of the driver no indication in the menus but its a recently delivered gateway system am going to try the latest drivers from diamond bbs but wondered if anyone else had seen this as a followup this is a co workers machine he has the latest 2 03 drivers it only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver sometimes it takes a minute or so for the cursor to wig out but it eventually does in this mode i susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants i excluded a000 c7ff in the emm386 line and in system ini the problem persisted perhaps it is something specific to the gateway machine or its components it is a 66mhz dx 2 eisa bus with an ultrastore 24xx controller ah well i was hoping this was some kind of known problem or somebody had seen it before perhaps a call to gateway is in order but i do find folks here usually are far more in the know i use the diamond speedstar 24x in 1024x768x256 mode all of the time i have not found distortions in the cursor the cursor is a little jumpy from time to time due to 32 bit access to the swap file but it is never distorted greg bishop bishop baeyer chem fsu edu religion re language and agreement i responded to jims other articles today but i see that i neglected to respond to this one i wouldnt want him to think me a hypocrite for not responding to every stupid article on t r m m23364 mwunix mitre org james meritt writes from my handy dictionary dictionary definitions of not disagree and agree deleted please operationally differentiate between not disagree and agree oh but im weary of trying to wade through jims repertoire of red herrings and smoke screens lets see what we get when we run all four articles posted by jim today through the discord filter a markov chain program that steve lamont was kind enough to send me taking action a white geese be held as an accomplice to be held as a decision upon the door a black and white goose waddles past the eyes of the door hits it with the confidence interval for that individual is held responsible for that that individual may be held as a getaway car may be held as an uncountably large number of the driver of something and agree a black goose waddles past the person imprisoned white goose waddles past the confidence interval for the population of geese be axed fine and white goose waddles past the door does running jims articles through discord make them more coherent less coherent or has discord turned jims articles into an angst ridden poem about making choices in a world filled with uncertainty yet being held responsible for the choices we make do the geese symbolize an inner frustration with ambiguity a desire that everything be black and white with no shades of gray does the getaway car tell us that to try to renounce the existential nature of our being is not to get away from responsibility for our actions but rather to take the role of the passive accomplice the driver of the getaway car as it were does the juxtaposition of man and machine car and driver reveal a subtext an internal conflict between determinism and moral responsibility or am i reading too much into a collaboration between jim and a random number generator dj medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr22 211005 21578 scorch apana org au bill scorch apana org au bill dowding writes todamhyp charles unlv edu brian m huey writes i think thats the correct spelling i am looking for any information supplies that will allow do it yourselfers to take krillean pictures im thinking that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for sale but i dont know any of the companies any info is greatly appreciated krillean photography involves taking pictures of minute decapods resident in the seas surrounding the antarctic or pictures taken by them perhaps bill from oz bill no flame intended but youre way way off base in simple terms kirilian photography registers the electromagnetical fields around objects in simple it takes pictures of your aura greg be still be silent the rest is easy windows win 3 1 comm drivers replacements question has anyone had any experience with a replacement comm driver for windows called turbocomm i read about it in pcmag apr 23 1993 and am interested but not willing to shell out the 45 bucks the company wants just to try it out it supposedly eleminates the problems that occur during a high speed file transfer and a disk access made by another program running at the same time if anyone has any pro cons about this product i would be very inter ested to hear them please email at the address give below thanks matthew gibson gibsonm cs arizona edu guns re riddle me this in article c5uiho 8lk chinet chi il us dhartung chinet chi il us dan hartung writes gt6511a prism gatech edu cochrane james shapleigh writes on the subject of cs cn tear gas when i received my initial introduction to you couldnt find a window after six hours daniel a hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask me about rotaract have you ever been violently sick repeatedly i have and it was difficult to drag myself back to my bed much less move through a building full of smoke and debris especially when most likely already disoriented from lack of sleep and constant psychological abuse throw in the fact that the safety outside consists of people who have shot at me and thrown grenades at me and are currently knocking my house down with tanks i could understand if the bds were inclined to stay put in the center of the building james s cochrane when in danger or in doubt run in this space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles scream and shout for rent windows dos6 w4wg problem i am running windows 3 1 windows for work groups and just loaded dos 6 what s happening appears as a graphics problem with file manager ive added some menubar buttons but there appears to be a gray boxed region that covers the top 2 3rds of the button row these buttons are in a row below the pulldown menus the pulldown menus look fine and the disk label region looks fine but you only see the bottom few pixels of the task buttons anyone else experience this thanks david ransier davidr pdx mentorg com these comments are my own i paid for office 503 685 1528 them i own them theyre not my fax 503 685 7704 employers and you cant have them baseball baseball in spanish dateline tue 20 apr93 03 38 in antonio pera of icop csa bu edu wrote to all at 1 133 411 ap recently i heard the red sox on wrol a ap spanish speaking radio station i thought it was so ap unreal the red sox in spanish anyway i want to find ap out how widespread this is being a ny native i know ap the scmets are on in spanish but not the yankmes i ap wuold think that la sd texas and fla are on in spanish ap are there any spanish speaking networks or is this a ap local for the last couple of years the braves have been fostering a program to reach to the latin american audience this has included licensing spanish fan magazines encouraging spanish co broadcasts and marketing programs directed at the latin american community one of the biggest heros to the latin american audience has been francisco cabrerra a fact of which he was slightly embarrassed one funny story is that during spring training the braves played a game in mexico this game was broadcast back to atlanta in spanish it took the broadcasters a few innings to get a rythm going because they had to keep changing their location seems it took a while to find a place where they could get a clear signal on their cellular phones through which they were calling the game david deitch gis atlanta fidonet uucp uucp wittsend gisatl deitch gateway faq oo internet deitch gisatl fidonet org david deitch galaxy information system administrator gis atlanta 404 252 1699 u user david deitch fido via fidonet node 1 133 411 0 jm baseball re and americas team is but why in article kingoz 735066879 camelot kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well officially its the braves at least up until they started winning it was are they still officially if so why and how did they receive this label unoffically but without a doubt americas team is the cubs why orin bradley u im really a jester in disguise sorry but i saw a survey somewhere that showed that americas favorite team is the damn yankees so much for the underdogs being loved obbaseball trivia cardinals have taken 3 out of 5 series from the yanks but have a losing record against them spring training games not counted shannon guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1993apr20 195636 17742 guinness idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu andrew betz writes betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho when you outlaw rights only outlaws will have rights spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrection nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia mi5 mi6 kgb deuterium if you really want to trigger the scanners then move the keywords above the signature start bit youll only trip them once in a sig plus every so often it will flag one for human intervention just to be sure i might not be being serious alan greig janet a greig uk ac dct dundee institute of technology internet a greig dct ac uk tel 0382 308810 int 44 382 308810 never underestimate the power of human stupidity cars re manual shift bigots in rec autos you write if ayrton senna can drive a racecar with fully automatic transmission it cant be half bad this mclaren auto transmission i still think its only half auto but you may be right has nothing to do with your gm chrysler volvo or whatever auto transmission its a normal manual transmission gearbox with clutch and all but there are servo motors which do the shifting that means there is no power loss in the drivetrain if you take out minimal mechanical friction and the sami auto transmissions ferrari williams mclaren dont tell you when to shift either however these transmissions share an important disadvantage with your stock auto trannie they are expensive as long as these servo shifted gearboxes arent available on normal cars im gonna stick with my manual i just cant see an advantage to make up for two grand i lose in this deal and the loss in mileage and power except maybe in real heavy traffic but then i drive mostly on the autobahn and country roads anyway theres no point in making a religion out of this i just wanted to point out a few technical facts and my own opinion so theres no need for a flame war eliot have a safe ride chris guns re whos next mormons and jews in article 7205 dazixco ingr com crphilli hound dazixca ingr com ron phillips writes in article c5s5n0 dyj world std com rjk world std com robert j kolker writes thank you for remembering matzada matzada was not an insane act it was a sanctification of g ds name and the most extreme denial of tyranny possible to this day the officers of the tzahal isreal defense force take their oath at the fortress lo tepol shaynit matzadah matzadah will not fall again not anymore recent archaeological inspection of the site presents pretty compelling evidence that the mass suicide at masada never occured this evidence was so compelling tha the tzahal no long hold their secret ceremony at the fortress ron phillips crphilli hound dazixca ingr com senior customer engineer intergraph electronics 381 east evelyn avenue voice 415 691 6473 mountain view ca 94041 fax 415 691 0350 first ive heard of this could yo please elaborate a little medicine re endometriosis you may want to inquire about taking lupron as a medication its supposed to be a new treatment and its described in nov 1992 issue of j of obst and gyn lupron is taken as a monthly injection whereas other drugs such as danazol are taken daily as pills cars re warning please read in article 1993apr23 144326 9535 ctp com bpita ctp com bob pitas writes in article 1r1d62 d6s agate berkeley edu bh anarres cs berkeley edu brian harvey writes rfelix netcom com robbie felix writes how about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local agencies to help children seniors the homeless hear hear thanks robbie you also dont read that much about violence against teenagers such as george bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed iraqi 17 year olds who were trying to surrender with bulldozers on the other hand i think it is true without singling out teenagers for blame that violence is more socially acceptable than it used to be those of us whod like to discourage violence have plenty of work to do with people of all ages well this isnt the right group for this but i have to say that i dont think violence is any more socially acceptable now by any means how can you say that when we used to have of pistol toting gunslingers as heros or even gangland thugs being considered romantic do you think our great grandparent got yelled at by their parents for playing cowboys and indians i dont think so that behavior was somewhat encouraged back then in fact i think the only difference between now and then is that nowadays when some teenager kills another one in a classroom in california we here about it in ma the same day back in the old days theyd never hear about something like that period yeah people act really shocked about violence as though it were new to our species what about the holocaust the crusades the salem witch trials the religious persecutions of the middle ages what about violent acts carried out in the name of religion all over the world what about the early christians put to death by the romans the jews persecuted by christians there are a lot more humans today than there have ever been i do not know the stats but there are far more people on the planet than there were 2 or 3 hundred years ago the per capita acts of violence are probably not significantly different than they were a hundred or a thousand years ago there is nothing new about violence rf medicine chromium as dietary suppliment for weight loss my wife has requested that i poll the sages of usenet to see what is known about the use of chromium in weight control diet suppliments she has seen multiple products advertising it and would like any kind real information my first impulse was yuck a metal but i have zero data on it what do you know henry melton rhca80 melton sps mot com windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article c6d616 25m uceng uc edu bferrell ant occ uc edu brett ferrell writes in article 1993may1 154707 10177 hubcap clemson edu ludes hubcap clemson edu larry ludes ludwig writes munch you must of read too many os 2 advertisements crash protection is such a marketing gimick it isnt funny out of 4 months of using windows on my new machine ive only had it crash once and i dont have a run of the mill configuration munch following is reformatted it does sound funny i will admit but for me it is true windows crashed on all of the time and from what i have read in pc mag this is not the exception id say that the massive crash problems are exceedingly rare windows itself almost never crashes but it can be crashed by an errant application my personal favorite any one of the corel 3 0 programs on the other hand i have had os 2 crash randomly a number of times mostly just running its own applications for instance today i discovered a new one while i was downloading with procomm plus for windows running seamless with the standard vga drivers on a run o da mill vga card 640x480 i decided that i wanted to edit a copy of a quote that i wanted to add to my finger but since ive learned not to really trust seamless i fired up a full screen winos 23 1 session whoops the download finished while winos 2 was loading it had just gotten the pointer up so i hit alt escape to get back t the desktop i have a lot of fonts so loading takes a good long while blam screen trashed procomm hangs up hm well i can sorta see the mouse so i clicked on the minimized winos 2 session and got back my fullscreen windows session but the color were off red and green and yellow and brown instead of blues and greys so i closed this and got back to the desktop now fully restored pp was still sitting window open but it was no longer connected to the com port so i exited it the normal way it told me i was still online and it would hang up though it was already hung up hm well load anothe no bad idea shutdown and reboot ok refresh first now shutdown yes everything is closed hm nothing seems to be happening lets see ah the windows list still comes up ok lets try shutdown again no go huh alright wait 60 seconds to see if its just running slow hmm still seems to be running os 2 try shutdown again nothing oh well reboot enjoy the checkdisk time in this case a part of the os crashed not only itself but os 2 entirely which isnt even smart enough to tell when it s been compromised i guess in everyday specifically today use os 2 gives each windows app a vdm and they cant touch each other or generally anything they arent supposed to have thats the idea anyway in truth when a program crashes on os 2 it will bring the system down with it the programs that would just gpf under windows do the same under os 2 but programs that are fine under dos and windows bring os 2 screaming to a halt task protection or no for instance im still wondering why print preview in a windowed wp 5 1 dos locks up my system it works fine under dos or even in a dos box under windows 3 1 admittedly it doesnt crash if i run wp51 full screen but the first time this bug big me it bit hard if windows works for you then great maybe this is why some people dont see why os 2 is the os of choice if windows doesnt crash on you and you dont mind waiting on each task please explain the only time i wait on anything under windows is when im copying or formatting a floppy or when printing and even then not long i get 9 to 11 pages dumped to the printman per minute and can still go do things slowly while its doing this ive downloaded with pp 9600 while printing and not being able to adress your memory better than dos not sure what you mean here os 2 sees 16 megs uses 5 or six of these for its own use more if you want to count winos 2 windows sees 16 megs uses 3 or 4 more like 5 if you count the disk cache as i am for os 2 for itself if memory efficiency were a big issue pc geos would be the current king of the intel desktop some of the key reasons for using os 2 are gone i probably would still use it but it would be more of an even fight on the other hand i am finally able to say with some confidence that both os 2 and windows have a bit of hardware sensitivity to them for instance the machine i am sitting at runs both fine while the machine next to me constantly locks up under windows but ran os 2 without a hitch once i got it through a 5 crash install on the whole id say os 2 is a whole lot more sensitive than windows but there are i suppose machines that windows just doesnt like wittism of th week i think that its wrong to believe in an ism you should believe in yourself ferrish bueller wasnt this ferris bueller there are stupid laws and then there are stupider than normal laws medicine re thermogenics in article 80389 cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes first off if im not mistaken only hibernating animals have brown fat not humans human infants do have bown fat deposits while adult humans are believed not to have brown fat also while brown fat may play an important role in rousing hibernators it is definitely not limited to hibernating animals it is a common energy source for nonshivering thermogenesis edwin barkdoll barkdoll lepomis psych upenn edu eb3 world std com cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr15 222254 6651 rtfm mlb fl us gwalker rtfm mlb fl us grayson walker writes why crawl under the car at all i have a machine i got for my boat that pulls the oil out under suction through the dip stick tube it does an excellent job and by moving the suction tube around you can get more old oil out than by using the drain plug i think i paid 25 at e b marine the oil goes into a steel 3 gal can wait until it cools and decant into your favorite device i use soft drink bottles easy to take them down to the local oil recycle center this does sound good but i heard it tends to leave more grit etc in the oil pan also ive been told to change the old when its hot before the grit has much time to settle any opinions bryan welch amateur radio n0sfg internet europa vnet ibm com best bwelch scf nmsu edu everything will perish save love and music scots gaelic proverb disclaimer its all opinion everything so there medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr26 120417 22328 linus mitre org gpivar mitre org the pancake emporium writes in article 1993apr22 211005 21578 scorch apana org au bill scorch apana org au bill dowding writes todamhyp charles unlv edu brian m huey writes i think thats the correct spelling i am looking for any information supplies that will allow do it yourselfers to take krillean pictures im thinking that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for sale but i dont know any of the companies any info is greatly appreciated krillean photography involves taking pictures of minute decapods resident in the seas surrounding the antarctic or pictures taken by them perhaps bill from oz bill no flame intended but youre way way off base in simple terms kirilian photography registers the electromagnetical fields around objects in simple it takes pictures of your aura greg be still be silent the rest is easy dear bill i think you forgot the smileys some of us got the joke medicine re a good place for back surgery gary schuetter garyws cbnewsg cb att com wrote hello just one quick question my father has had a back problem for a long time and doctors have diagnosed an operation is needed since he lives down in mexico he wants to know if there is a hospital anywhere in the united states particulary famous for this kind of surgery kind of like houston has a reputation for excellent doctors in eye surgery any additional info or pointers will be appreciated a whole lot there is one hospital that is here in new york city that is famous for its orthopedists namely the hospital for special surgery they are located on the upper east side of manhattan if you want their address and phone let me know ill get them i dont know them off hand for those who are interested the hospitals i was referring to are the hospital for special surgery 535 east 70th street new york ny 10021 212 606 1555 physician referral service info the hospital for joint diseases 301 east 17th street new york ny 10003 212 598 7600 felix the cat 0 0 the wonderful wonderful cat meow hoss panix com guns re ban all firearms in article 16baece99 pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu david veal writes in article c5d4hv 8dp undergrad math uwaterloo ca papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca paul prescod writes in article 92468 hydra gatech edu gt6511a prism gatech edu cochrane james shpleigh writes 2 if guns were banned and a bunch showed up in south florida it would be 100x easier to trace and notice then a small ripple in the huge wave of the american gun craze do they teach courses in rude in canada they dont have too canadian culture is handed down largely from the united empire loyalists who fled from the american revolution canuckleheads tend to have a cratophilic or government loving attitude towards authority paul prescod is right in line with this elitist bigotry and prejudice that all my canadian friends hate in their fellow citizens his sort of snobbish canuck have an irrational horror of american democratic armed mobs tim starr renaissance now assistant editor freedom network news the newsletter of isil the international society for individual liberty 1800 market st san francisco ca 94102 415 864 0952 fax 415 864 7506 71034 2711 compuserve com think universally act selfishly starr genie slhs udel edu medicine re barbecued foods and health risk mark mcwiggins markmc halcyon com reminds us mm also dont forget that its better for your health mm to enjoy your steak than to resent your sprouts yes i call this notion psychological health food and in fact have determined that the four food groups are ice cream pizza barbecue and chocolate ideally every meal should contain something from at least two of these four groups food does serve functions other than nutrition and one of them is keeping the organism happy and thus aiding its immune system and i didnt spend a million bucks commissioning a study that told me to redraw my silly little pyramid in different colors and with a friendlier typeface either ref consumer reports back page one of the best things ever to turn up there rich young young serum kodak com writes of one of six impossible things ry to consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a time donald mackie donald mackie med umich edu confesses dm i have to confess that this is one of my few unfulfilled ambitions dm no matter how much i eat it still seems realistic yeah i want to try one of those 42oz steaks cooked over applewood at wallys wolf lodge inn in coeur dalene that seems quite unrealistic unrealistically small and a few slabs of ribs from the east texas smoker rip again in louisville is not at all unrealistic either what say we have a rec food cooking dinner at the moonlite bar b que inn in owensboro its all you can eat including lamb ribs mutton for about 10 we could invite julie kangas as guest of honor and see if the moonlites very hot sauce is too hot for her it is too hot for me and i dont say that very often and she could bring ice cream with crushed dried chiltepins for dessert and we could see if there is such a thing as an unrealistically large quantity of barbecue the owner of the moonlite estimates that the owensboro restaurants serve a hundred thousand pounds of meat a week in the summer and forty thousand in the winter in a town of 50 000 or so two pounds per person per week again sure sounds unrealistic to me thats just too meager to be healthy kiran now a two pound slab of ribs a day thats realistic fuzzy pink nivens law never waste calories potato chips candy whipped cream or hot fudge sundae consumption may involve you your dietician your wardrobe and other factors but fuzzy pinks law implies dont eat soggy potato chips or cheap candy or fake whipped cream or an inferior hot fudge sundae larry niven nivens laws n space windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 1993may14 180729 28073 samba oit unc edu dil admin mhs unc edu dave laudicina writes i also think a large number of the attackers or debaters as you call them are highly technical look around in the real world people dont want to grep and auck and ls l they just want to push the buttons and get their you mean grep unix is case dependent and awk where did you get auck from mark baseball rockies 5 8 name pos ab h 2b 3b hr rbi rs sb e avg galarraga 1b 54 23 6 2 15 6 1 426 sheaffer c 3 1 333 boston of 28 9 3 8 321 cole cf 43 13 1 1 2 13 8 302 hayes 3b 46 13 2 3 11 7 2 3 283 bichette rf 39 10 1 3 10 8 1 256 e young 2b 51 13 2 1 1 7 12 9 3 255 tatum 3b 8 2 1 250 murphy of 8 2 2 250 clark lf 37 9 3 1 1 3 3 1 243 girardi c 45 10 2 1 3 3 1 222 castilla ss 7 1 1 143 benavides ss 35 5 1 5 3 4 143 pitchers p 24 1 1 042 g young of 3 2 1 000 totals 431 112 19 4 10 61 66 21 14 260 name l r gs cg ip h r er k bb era w l s aldred l 6 4 3 1 3 8 1 50 0 0 0 ashby r 2 0 11 12 3 3 5 9 2 45 0 0 0 wayne l 3 7 4 1 1 3 2 2 45 0 1 0 neid r 4 1 29 27 11 10 15 10 3 10 3 1 0 parrett r 10 8 4 4 12 7 3 60 0 0 0 smith r 3 0 16 3 22 8 8 3 5 4 41 1 2 0 blair r 8 9 6 4 5 3 4 50 0 0 0 ruffin l 2 0 9 3 15 7 5 7 6 4 82 1 1 0 henry l 2 0 12 7 14 9 8 5 5 5 68 0 2 0 reed r 3 7 8 7 7 2 3 17 18 0 0 0 holmes r 2 3 8 10 9 3 4 34 71 0 1 0 totals 13 1 112 131 69 60 63 62 4 82 5 8 0 baseball braves stoppers the term stopper is generally used to refer to a pitcher one who can be counted on to pitch a strong game to keep his team from going on a losing streak the braves have plenty of pitchers to fit this description although right now id expect smoltz or glavine to take the mantle what the braves lack however is an offensive stopper somebody they can look to to bring them out of their hitting slump theres just no one there the braves got rid of their best pure hitter lonnie smith and only terry pendleton on the current roster has ever shown more than a cursory ability to hit oh and another thing that worries me ron gant seems to have slowed down a step thats scary a slow ron gant doesnt have much going for him econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke s to my correspondents my email has been changed e l my new address is fls econ duke edu d f if mail bounces try fls raphael acpub duke edu u baseball re how to speed up games marginally realistic davidm gvls2 vfl paramax com david madden writes in article c5she2 lkf ucdavis edu ez027993 chip ucdavis edu gary built like villanueva huckabay writes you want to speed up ballgames 3 mandate a rule permitting only n seconds between pitches the current rule is too lenient and then enforce it fifteen seconds is more please pardon my ignorance if this is well known but what is the current rule than enough time if the pitch isnt released in 15 call it a ball and restart the clock i remember a post from last year indicating that a pitch clock was tried in one of the minor leagues some time back and did not work i dont remember why they said that it did not work anyone remember this jody mcdonnel on wip in phil has been saying that a pitch clock was inevitable how would a pitch clock work on throws to first maybe we could limit the number of throws to first that the pitcher can make and award a balk if he exceeds it id have another question who would operate the pitch clock one of the umpires add another one to the crew another pair of suggestions 1 remove the balk rule it is the runners responsibility to stay safe no matter what the pitcher does im not sure i like this idea i think it would severely diminish the number of stolen bases and limit the availability of such neat strategic ploys as the hit and run and the squeeze play one of my personal favorites 2 if a pitcher throws to an occupied base more than x time x 3 to 5 without successfully picking off the runner the runner advances a base as if walked ahhh i suppose i should read the whole article before i hit the f key eh obviously from what i wrote above i like this idea the no balk seems to give the pitcher the advantage the base walk allows the runner to challenge pitcher to throw over to the base it may also increase the number of wild throws to the bag since the pitcher knows he doesnt have very many chances to pick off the runner so he may hurry too much id rather see runs scored as the result of sound hitting and sound baseball strategy rather than on the sloppiness that could result from this kind of rule so i suppose there are some disadvantages to that idea too baseball games take about 2 51 in the nl and just a shade under 3 hours in the al thats just too damn long i dont like to play in 3 hour games much less watch a game for that long my butt falls asleep and if im watching on tv ill channel surf between pitches catching colorized versions of mr ed leave it to beaver and those wacky nieporents on nick at nite i too find myself surfing when i know that it will be enough time between each pitch to allow the batter to adjust his jewlery i remember in little league if when up to bat we stepped out of the batters box even for a moment we were automatically out that may be a little harsh for the majors but seriously how about putting a limit on the batters being able to step out take several dozen practice swings pound their shoes scratch their balls etc maybe forcing them to stay in the batters box wouldnt be such a bad idea that could save a few minutes randy medicine amniocentesis et al is there some difference between the purposes behind amniocentesis and chorionic villi sampling they sound similar to me but are intended to detect different things thanks medicine re diet for crohns ibd in article uabdpo dpo uab edu 220493145727 spam dom uab edu uabdpo dpo uab edu gila005 stephen holland writes in article 1r6g8finne88 ceti cs unc edu jge cs unc edu john eyles wrote a friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of crohns disease but she cant seem to eat certain foods such as fresh vegetables without discomfort and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence her question is are there any nutritionists who specialize in the problems of people with crohns disease if she is having problems with fresh vegetables the guess is that there is some obstruction of the intestine without knowing more it is not possible to say whether the obstruction is permanent due to scarring or temporary due to swelling of inflammed intestine in general there are no dietary limitations in patients with crohns except as they relate to obstruction there is no evidence that any foods will bring on recurrence of crohns interesting statements simply because i have been told otherwise im certainly not questioning steves claims as for one i am not a doctor and i agree that foods dont bring on the recurrence of crohns but inflammation can be either mildly or drastically enhanced due to food having had one major obstruction resulting in resection is that a good enough caveat i was told that a low residue diet is called for basically the idea is that if there is inflammation of the gut which may not be realized by the patient any residue in the system can be caught in the folds of inflammation and constantly irritate thus exacerbating the problem therefore anything that doesnt digest completely by the point of common inflammation should be avoided with what ive been told is typical crohns of the terminal ileum my diet should be low residue consisting of completely out never again items o corn kernel husk doesnt digest most of us know this o popcorn same o dried dehydrated fruit and fruit skins o nuts very tough when it comes to giving up some fudge discouraged greatly o raw vegetables too fibrous o wheat and raw grain breads o exotic lettuce iceberg is ok since its apparently mostly water o greens turnip mustard kale etc o little seeds like sesame try getting an arbys without it o long grain and wild rice husky o beans youll generate enough gas alone without them o basically anything that requires heavy digestive processing i was told that the more processed the food the better rather ironic in this day and age the whole point is preventative you want to give your system as little chance to inflame as possible i was told that among the numerous things that were heavily discouraged i only listed a few to try the ones i wanted and see how i felt if its bad dont do it again remember though that this was while i was in remission for veggies cook the daylights out of them i prefer steaming i think its cooks more thoroughly youre mileage may vary as with anything else check with your doctor dont just take my word but this is the info ive been given and it may be a starting point for discussion good luck spenser s spenser aden lockheed engineering and sciences co 713 483 2028 nasa flight data and evaluation office johnson space center houston spenser fudd jsc nasa gov internet opinions herein are mine alone aden vf jsc nasa gov if above bounces eschew obfuscation unknown baseball baseball in spanish recently i heard the red sox on wrol a spanish speaking radio station i thought it was so unreal the red sox in spanish anyway i want to find out how widespread this is being a ny native i know the scmets are on in spanish but not the yankmes i wuold think that la sd texas and fla are on in spanish are there any spanish speaking networks or is this a local baseball re jewish baseball players bo bilinsky cars re car buying story was christ another dealer service scam in article 1993apr15 234508 20032 slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com dan day writes relates an experience similar to mine then comes the part i wish i could have videotaped as we go out the front door the sales manager shouts across the entire showroom customers and all go ahead you deserve to buy a nissan so my friend bought a sentra this kind of behavior is what i was shocked by in my experience for crying out loud how do these turkeys think they can talk to customers this way and still stay in business again i dont expect sales people to bow scrape and grovel in my presence but i sure dont expect to be abused either i was very surprised by the way the sales people talked to me and in other negotiating sessions i overheard in neighboring sales cubicles evidently their success rate is high enough that they continue to do business this way there must be a lot of people out there who are easy to intimidate on the other hand im not sure about the one price no haggling approach that saturn and other are starting to use i guess if their fixed price is fair its ok maybe the best approach is to do your homework before you go in find out the invoice prices of the car add a reasonable profit for the dealer 200 300 offer them that price and stick to it if they get abusive just leave then dont let them try to screw you after the deal is agreed on mark windows re windows zip unzip in article 1rl9b6 h3c sol deakin oz au russ deakin oz au russ sharp writes we are using pkzip v2 04 and i am interested to hear from people who have used one of the many windows programs that call these which ones are available and does any one stand out amongst the rest is there a full windows version that does not call the dos pkzip pkunzip commands do you mean a prog that doesnt jump to the dos display and then back or create a temp dos window if yes then i might recommend winzip from ftp cica indiana edu im afraid i dont have the file name or version but you should be able to find it its fully compatible with ver 2 04g and very functional later phil trodwell this space id be happy to ram a goddam 440 volt cattle for rent prod into that tub with you right now but not cheap this radio hunter s thompson baseball skydome tix i plan on being in the toronto area sometime this summer late june or early july and would like to attend a blue jay game i would appreciate if anyone could give me information on how to obtain tickets for blue jay games i would prefer to get good seats and i assume this would require going through some ticket broker and paying ticket broker info for the toronto area and or ticket info directly through the blue jays would be appreciated ill bring oxygen if need be my schedule is flexible so any games are candidates though id prefer to see texas thanks in advance tony baseball re kevin rogers rogers is the one batter lefty in the bullpen dusty has also said he trusts rogers to get the final out in a ballgame where beck is unavailable so you might see a couple of saves for kevin then again if any of the regular rotation falters rogers is a possible candidate to start though this would appear less likely now that dave burba did well in an emergency start steven medicine re re use of haldol and the elderly in article c623az m85 mailer cc fsu edu picl account 25 picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu writes adults the change in environment can cause problems anesthetic agents can cause confusion because the body cannot clear the medicines out of the body as easily the original poster did not say why his mother had been in hospital but i can answer a few general points elderly patients may exhibit a marked difficulty in coping after being in hospital for a few days the drastic change of environment will often unmask how marginally they have been coping at home even young people find the change unsettling though we have thought that this decrement in function after say anaesthesia and surgery for a fractured hip a common event in the elderly was due to anaesthesia there is good evidence that the change of situation is much more important some hospitals have tried a rapid transit system for hip fractures aiming to have the patient back at home within 24 hours of admission the selection of the anaesthetic has no effect on the ability to discharge these patients early anaesthetists who work with the elderly which is almost all of us generally take care to tailor the choice and dose of drugs used to the individual patient even so there is some evidence that full mental recovery may take a surprisingly long time to return this is the sort of thing which is detected by setting quite difficult tasks not the gross change that the original poster noted haloperidol haldol tm is a long acting drug the plasma half life of the drug is up to 35 hours if the decanoate a sort of slow release formulation is used it may be weeks the elderly are sensitive to haloperidol for a number of reasons without knowing more it is hard to comment don mackie his opinions esiology will disavow guns re president clintons email address jagst18 pitt edu josh a grossman writes somebody was kind enough to post the prezs compuserve email address i was smart enough to write it down somehwere on some small scap of paper i can not find if youve got it please email it to me compuserve 75300 3115 compuserve com america on line clintonpz aol com both are accessible from the internet when you send a not to slick willie you will need to have you us mail address on the note if you want a response the white house does not reply by e mail windows help disappearing groups salutations i dont usually subscribe to these newsgroups so i would really appreciate it if someone could possibly e mail me the answer to my problem i have been using windows 3 1 since buying it last winter but i have just now come across an annoying bug i now have about 8 different groups in program manager but it seems that everytime i install something new that makes a new group it promptly disappears after i turn of windows this happened when i installed excel and winfax pro v 3 they both created their own groups but when i turned off windows and reran them they were gone i had to manually pull them up as new items and put them in a previously existing group as all new gropus disappear as soon as i turn off windows my set up precision 386dx 25 w 4 megs trident 8900c with 1 meg windows 3 1 running in 800x600 colour mode logitech mouseman thank you in advance emile woo ewoo unixg ubc ca emile woo student representative to senate sig unavailable holding internet ewoo unixg ubc ca referendum to decide politic tel 822 6101 ally correct witticism religion re what right stuff deleted but message is he is god in other words the right of might he is god in other words the right of might god granted you the gift of life whether you were sinner or saint in other words he can do it he did it and your in no position to argue about it one that must be killed by him note i say that god and god alone is worthy to be judge jury and executioner we are not called to carry out such duties because we are not worthy in other words you better do what this god wants you to do or else who is god to impose its rules on us who can tell if god is really so god is god who are we to question the creator if you doubt gods doing in certain situations do you claim to know a better solution would you be playing the role of god in other words its his game he made the rules and if you know whats good for you youll play his game his way careful there you make god out to be some spoiled little deity that when he cant have his way takes his ball and goes home now that you mention it naw cant be right makes sense john morris jwmorris netcom com san diego ca i have no opinion but if i did medicine re chronic sinus and antibiotics if the nose culture shows staph then ceftin or even ceclor are better suprax does not kill staph treating bacterial infections involves a lot of try and fail because the infections often involve multiple organisms with many resistant strains some 60 of hemophilus influenza strains are now resistant what works for me and my organisms may not work for you and yours keep experimenting ken colby guns newspapers censoring gun advertisements recently while looking around in traders sporting goods store a very well stocked firearms store i discovered a printed document that was being distributed by the good folks who work there traders btw is located in san leandro ca granted the document may be asking you and i to help out traders but in the big scope of things i feel that we would do all gun owners a favor by helping to this cause anyway here it is newspaper ad censorship are you letting the newspapers tell you how to live your life whats good for you whats not and exercise blatant censorship over what you read in their advertisments the newspapers have now decided to censor gun ads which is why you no longer see the ads that traders san leandro has run for many years these ads were run for the law abiding honest citizens who own firearms for sporting use or self protection they certainly have the right to do so under the second amendment right to bear arms if you are tired of newspapers who run sex and liquor ads galor yet refuse to run legitimate gun ads please send a letter to the editors indicating your displeasure over their censorship doctrine following is a list of bay area newspapers who censor gun ads perhaps youd like to send them your thoughts on this issue oakland tribune daily review alameda times star pob 28883 pob 5050 1516 oak st oakland ca 94604 hayward 94540 alameda ca 94501 argus tri valley herald san leandro times 3850 decoto rd pob 10367 161 w juana ave fremont ca 94555 pleasanton ca 94588 san leandro ca 94577 contra costa times san mateo times san francisco chronicle pob 5088 pob 5400 901 mission st walnut creek ca 94596 san mateo ca 94402 san francisco ca 94103 san fran independent san fran examiner san jose mercury news 1201 evans ave 110 5th st 750 ridder park dr san fran ca 94124 san fran ca 94103 san jose ca 95190 then there are six pages of facts i can not validate these facts and there were no sources but many feel and sound very true here are the topic headlines big media snow job blaming firearms for murder is like blaming hospitals for death i could use the same nazi journalistic technique of cbs and abc to prove that hospitals cause death how nbc cbs and abc have scammed the american people on gun control american tv journalism is based on nazi journalism why tv journalists lie the government with the help of the tv networks has succeeded in playing one group against the other gun laws are unconstitutional american gun laws are based on nazi gun laws the government is trying to devide and conquer the cia wants your firearms and so on for six pages so now we have the media trying help put gun dealers out of business by trying to limit their exposure to potential customers and preventing the customers from reading about sales of ammunition and firearms for sporting hunting or other recreational use let me know if you write to any of these bozos peter d nesbitt air traffic controller pnesbitt mcimail com oakland bay tracon cbr600f2 pilot nra member ccx1380f s w 41 magnum carrier religion re judas crucifixion tyre etc in article 1qe8qk 58t news ysu edu af664 yfn ysu edu frank decenso jr writes i need to prioritize things in my life and this board is not all that important to me my personal relationship wife the lord is first my wife is second and my ministry at church is third not to mention my job have you informed your wife of this prioritization this board will have to wait until if ever i can organize my life to fit it in i tried dropping out but sieferman coerced me to come back he wont this time thou hast used my name in vain i never coerce ridicule maybe but never coerce please take responsibility for your actions deletia im history frank i appreciate your efforts good luck cars re warning please read ejv2j virginia edu erik velapoldi writes what the hell is happening to this great country of ours i can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such but 20 pound rocks has our society really stooped this low you make it sound like this behavior is new it isnt a lot of pedestrian bridges have fencing that curls up over the sidewalk to make this kind of think a lot harder to do i dont understand the mentality myself but then again i couldnt figure out move im glad they bombed em or the waco wackos either newsgroup list trimmed significantly jim frost jimf centerline com baseball re my 93 picks with only one comment in article 1psbg8inngjj master cs rose hulman edu rickert nextwork rose hulman edu john h rickert writes in article jfr2 733938351 ra msstate edu jfr2 ra msstate edu jackie f russell writes psg pitt edu paul s galvanek writes national league west cincinnati houston 5 0 atlanta 8 0 argh here is where you are obviously dead wrong not since the yankees of the 20s and 30s has a team been so nicely setup as this years and years to come braves i dont think that the all star team will be able to beat this may be an appropriate comparison the 1929 31 yankees finshed 2nd 3rd and 2nd finshing 18 16 and 13 1 2 games out of first in 1933 34 and 35 they also finished second though they were only 7 7 and 3 games out even great teams can lose thats why they play the season on the other hand im still picking the braves to go all the way um surely you didnt intend to compare the 93 reds with the 29 philidelphia as the yankees were finishing 2nd to a team that was as good as the 26 28 yankees while the yankees had aged some from their peak years ruth and gehrig couldnt play every position simultaneously imo given the various ages of the braves and reds this season that the braves will be closer to their peak while the reds have slightly passed their peak also if youre going to compare braves and yankees a more appropriate comparison to the 93 braves might be the 23 yankees after falling short two years in a row in exciting world series both teams won will win the series this year despite the heroics of some old fart on the other team casey stengel dave winfield eric roush fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu i am a marxist of the groucho sort grafitti paris 1968 tanstaafl although the internet comes close windows re data segments and memory model usage hello phjm you wrote firstly does windows 3 1 in 386 enhanced mode do anything special with dlls that have been compiled using the large memory model no we are being told that even in 386 enhanced mode windows will load dlls into real memory below 640k and page lock it no my second question relates to static data inside dlls is there any way at all to get multiple instances of the static data segment dgroup no but you can allocate real static data within code segments when you need more dynamic memory you can allocate data on the global heap you can forget most of what was written about memory management under 3 1 you have paged virtual memory you can lock every block without hampering the memory manager you can use far pointer everytime without always lock unlocking the memory block an besides dlls are mostly just disguised exes that happen to be called by another task karl karl w geitz hauptstr 50 w 3320 salzgitter 1 kwgeitz s link escape de tel 49 5300 6701 fax 49 5300 6499 cis 100010 204 bix geitzkwg crosspoint v2 1 guns re janet reno on nightline its worse than you show it look for janet reno and others to link the words child abuse and p rivate stores of guns from now on out bb063 cleveland freenet edu chris crobaugh 216 327 6655 v those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin baseball re nl stats doug those stats are great they help immensely i tried to e mail you with some comments on them but my mail server does not recognize your address could you e mail me with some info on how to get e mail to you thanks jim bragg jbragg morgan ucs mun ca baseball binaca blast deep drive derby bbddd returns in article 1piisn asq network ucsd edu king cogsci ucsd edu jonathan king writes a less well publicized part of the now infamous darrin jackson for derek bell trade was the fact that san diego included 300 000 in the deal even less publicized than this however was that the 300 000 didnt come from the padres but from an un named source and that the money didnt go to the blue jays in toronto the money was diverted into a london bank account owned by a shadowy character named vincent gray i should be so lucky the account number must have been rejected the odd thing was that gray wasnt some british financier but a canadian social scientist working at the university of western ontario gray was previously known to the authorities only as an associate of john palmer and as the man who had the previous year discovered the true tater name of bing bang ben macdonald to be accurate it is big bang ben macdonald soon after that gray and palmer sent word to ottawa that canada had achieved absolute superiority over the united states in the field of baseballistic research as she controlled both the acker cook pitch alike contest and the binaca blast research institute the prime minister smiled i hope not to think that i would inadvertantly give any pleasure to mulroney really ruins my day ps matthew wall a marvellous ending to the section on the expos okay so im not giving up the day job but in an effort to help me keep the day job ive managed to foist the job of running the binaca blast deep drive derby onto vince gray to whom future deep drive related tidbits should be sent vince sscl uwo ca or vince vaxi sscl uwo ca please identify any messages with the subject line bbddd vince can take this post as the cue to chime in about what he plans to do as the new director of the research institute and what kind of body armor ontarians are wearing this spring meanwhile i have to go pick up that truckload of denis boucher cards i bought to fill in the area behind our tool shed jking realizing the taterific importance of this work john palmer and i concluded that we might be able to pool some resources i have not yet gone through the archives that jonathan sent to me when i do i will send out an official introduction to the deep drive derby however i wonder if we need to rename the project now that the principal investigator and research archive have changed send your suggestions for a rename of the study to me at the address given above and just think its opening day soon the balls will be flying out no get your minds out of the gutter of the ball parks and helpless bystanders will be injured by balls reentering the atmosphere and you thought that meteorite showers were made of rocks who will be the stars this year can anyone hope to combat brad arnsbergs record start to last year the season is young the balls newly rubbed in mud the hot dogs starting to boil for the rest of the year play ball and take cover and may all your sliders hang vince windows re question on eisa video board performance from article c68ubg k2w world std com by cfw world std com christopher f wroten i have an eisa machine and i just do not understand why most eisa video cards only match the performance of their isa counterparts for instance the eisa orchid pro designer iis e is only about as fast as the isa diamond speedstar plus which isnt what i would call fast i dont understand why eisa video cards arent as a group on the same level of performance as local bus cards given that eisa video cards have a 32 bit bus to move data around instead of isas 8 bits good question answer the eisa bus does move 32 bits rather than isas 8 16 but it still moves it at about the speed as the isa bus i think thats either 8 or 10 mhz the local bus designs also move 32 bits like the eisa but they move the data at the cpu speed up to 40 mhz so on a 33mhz cpu the local bus is moving 32bit data at 33 mhz and the eisa is moving 32bit data at 8 or 10 mhz so the local bus should be 3 to 4 times faster than eisa on a 33 mhz cpu eisa should be about two maybe 3 times as fast as isa since they are not why would anyone me included pay a higher cost for a eisa video card when its performance is no better than and often worse that a much cheaper isa video board such as a diamond speedstar 24x from pc magazines i think recent report i know that ati makes a pretty fast eisa video card but its around 500 which is just about double what my wallet will allow me to spend and for 500 i could get a diamond viper and still have 100 left over of course id have to get a local bus mother board too thats a very good question the eisa bus does have more advantages over the isa bus than just its width for example more better interrupts and bus mastering but these other factors do not impact a video card very much they have more impact on file servers with multiple hard drives full throttle network cards cd roms etc can anyone shed some light on my confusion frustration thanks christopher wroten cfw world std com windows re procomm plus for windows problems robert j niland rjn teal csn org wrote much text deleted i have heard from several people about less expensive m f i o cards with 16550s tsd systems 407 331 9130 19 95 for the card plus 9 95 per 16550 i can vouch for this one i ordered it and got it for 34 including s h it took me awhile to figure out how to get it working with my system but since i did i get terrific results while downloading using pcplus for windows i used to get errors if i started any other program while downloading at high speed not anymore more text deleted tom huot huot cray com medicine strain gage applications in vivo greeting i am starting work on a project where i am trying to make strain gages bond to bone in vivo or a period of several months i am currently using hydroxyapaptite back gages and i have tried m bonding the gages to the bone apart from those two application methods there doesnt seem to be much else in the literature i have only an engineering background not medical or biological i would be interest in any ideas about how to stimulte bone growth on the surface of cortical bone thanks for oyur help in advance terrance j dishongh ame 0123 bigdog engr arizona edu windows re utility for updating win ini and system ini in article 1993apr20 151912 18590 midway uchicago edu am37 midway uchicago edu writes unless i am completely misunderstanding you try using either notepad or sysedit exe found in your system subdirectory to edit you ini files you can add sysedit regedit to a program group they are windows programs the sysedit exe program is cool because it automatically opens you win ini system ini autoexec bat and config sys files to be edited is it possible to get it to load other ini files drewster am37 kimbark uchicago edu e mail un x oddjob oz plymouth edu vms andys psc plymouth edu disclaimer any end user software that provides no avenue for user of the week modification or programmability is not user friendly windows summary borland microsoft database c libraries well im amazed at how successful this exercise was i received 20 responses and 4 requests for summary thanks to everyone who made it possible on my own i was able to find out about codebase accsys and q e codebase and accsys are c libraries without sql q e is a windows application that can be communicated through windows dde calls where you send a sql string and receive the results most people wrote to tell me about the paradox engine from borland other products mentioned were microsofts odbc accsys quadbase codebase rbase and q e only odbc quadbase rbase and q e have sql for myself i decided on codebase mostly because it has an ansi c portability version that runs under dos unix etc and includes the source code and portability is important in my application it works with dbase foxpro or clipper files however i feel that microsofts odbc looks very promising its mostly a formalisation of building and submitting sql queries and formatting query results as the responses say its available via ftp except its effectively unusuable without two manuals the odbc programmers reference and the odbc sdk guide moreover odbc doesnt actually interpret sql and liase with databases thats up to drivers that should be provided by database manufacturers also its windows only its actually an extension to the windows sdk nevertheless its a start at a sql interface standard and should make life interesting in the future heres my original post followed by the responses separated by a line of asterisks does anyone know if borland or microsoft have libraries for accessing their respective databases paradox foxpro from within c programs id really like to be able to build a sql query string and pass it to a function which returns the query results in some format failing that any other access would still be better than nothing id also like to hear of third party libraries for doing the same thing if other people are interested ill prepare a summary of what im told and post it thanks to all borland has a product called paradox engine that does just what you want the current version is 3 0 which is fully compatible with ack paradox 4 0 why the versions are different i dont know pd engine 2 0 was compatible with pdox 3 0 and 3 5 it consists of a rather broad library of functions for accesing database files from both pascal i think turbo pascal 5 5 and up and c i think either microsoft or borland now reading the box its borland paradox engine database frameworks works with any borland c c mocrosoft c 6 01 or later turbo c for windows turbo pascal 6 0 or later tp for windows 1 0 or later for framework applications bc 3 0 or later or ms c c 7 0 it does have support for object useage i havent had a real chance to really use it myself but it looks fairly complete im planning to use it this summer rick rick osterberg osterber husc harvard edu 617 493 7784 617 493 3892 2032 harvard yard mail center cambridge ma 02138 7510 usa borland has a product which is called paradox engine i do not know about ms the paradox engine i know very well and it definitiely not a replacement for sql but it will enable you to save and restore records has locking et al supposedly the paradox for windows was impemented on top of it charles parker phone 800 669 9165 technical support 617 498 3321 centerline software inc fax 617 868 6655 cparker centerline com cyberspace momma dont let yer children grow up to be cowboys i know borland has a library of routines for accessing paradox from within a c program they recently came out with version 3 0 this works with both borland and microsofts c compiler shailesh bhobe 708 979 7101 att psp smb2 ms has put their odbc sdk into the public domain its big i believe 1 8 mb but worth downloading over a fast link look at ftp uu net in vendor microsoft odbc sdk also some companies are starting to provide sql engines i just got one for rbase not exactly cheap at 450 but it allows programs in c or vbasic under dos or windows to talk to data bases using sql functions in your code hth walter knopf fermilab knopf fnal fnal gov check out the odbc toolikt from microsoft it is available on ftp uu net vendor microsoft odbc sdk this is the way that weve chosen to access databases from all of our apps mj ppppp sssssiiiiii specialists in ms windows and windows nt development pp ppss ii call for information about our ooa ood tool ooaid ppppp ssss ii michaeljon miller mikem apertus com pp ss ii proficient solutions inc 612 860 2181 pp sssss iiiiii 2877 holmes ave so 5 minneapolis mn 55408 borland sells the paradox engine which is a c language interface to paradox dbase btrieve ans asci files they also sell database frameworks which includes the engine plus a collection with source of c classes for using the engine earl roethke eroethke ems cdc com i actualy have paradox engine it is a library of functions large model for accessing the paradoxs databases it seems to be working fine but i never did try it thouroughly it costs 200 hope it will help you from david lefebvre david hp817 speedware com borland provides a database lib called paradox engine which can access and use the database files aswell as many other things gary bell nellads cc monash edu au gary bell department of robotics and digital technology faculty of computing caulfield campus monash university australia paradox engine is the library for paradox artur babecki artur ii uj edu pl borland sells the paradox engine which has all the paradox calls in it its hardly sql though you can do searches on key fields and on indivual fields but no comparison operators like so its pretty painful in my opinion do do anything besides simple retrieval and inserts updates im currently using it i have an eval copy and ive linked it in to some entry screens ive written the engine library adds about 100k to the size of the program but you can load it as an overlay using borlands vroom manager now borland claims that later versions of the engine will have sql support but they dont really expect it till late in the year or even next year they are trying to get thrid parties to help out if you have any other questions let me know mike kamlet mike vpnet chi il us yes borland sells their paradox engine separately it has c c and pascal interfaces although the underlying interface is in c well at least for version 2 0 of the engine which i have costed 99 at egghead they now have version 3 0 of the engine and a separate c class package for it michael d kersenbrock adc kentrox portland oregon michaelk kentrox com uunet kentrox michaelk ive used accsys for paradox new version is almost ready for paradox 4 0 to access paradox files from c its pretty good not sql though have heard of borland paradox engine or some such which is supposed to do likewise but not sure of what it is exactly hope this helps good luck chris from fernand slinky cs nyu edu christopher fernandes borland sells their paradox engine 3 0 its a library of functions for accessing paradox db files it comes with libraries for ms c 7 0 bcc 3 1 turbo pascal v and i believe it comes with turbo pascal win libraries as well the c libraries come in both dos and windows flavors the win stuff being dlls when i got it it also came with crystal reports which is a graphical report generator it allows you to create a generic form and use it within a compiled program using pdox engine i dont know if they still offer it or what the current price is i paid something like 50 60 for an upgrade from the earlier version though hope this helps david taylor the commander it is easier to change the internet gt2847c prism gatech edu specification to fit the program also dtaylor cfd gatech edu than vice versa and root cfd gatech edu author unknown but very wise if you want to do sql from within your programs check out quadbase i dont have their address oops yes i do quadbase systems inc 790 lucerne dr 51 sunnyvale ca 94086 usa phone 408 738 6989 voice 408 738 6980 fax ask for the sql win demo disk it looked good to me i have a background in embedded sql in ingres this looked real similar its a little expensive but if you order the demo and then just wait they will probably send you a special offer thatll probably run about 500 us good luck best tom delosh from delosh emunix emich edu tom delosh borland has the paradox engine library it has libraries for both c and pascal to access paradox files under dos windows but for paradox i believe youd have buy have the sql link since pdox itself isnt sql compliant ive used the engine for over a year now and have been pretty satisfied with it under dos its a real pig it tacks on about 120k to the size of your programs tim ma associate programmer university of utah email tim src cppa utah edu i dont know about microsoft but borland sells the paradox engine for c c pascal in one package and if you want dbase compatible files there is a library called codebase from sequiter software that works with c c from davidr rincon ema rockwell com david j ray were using q e database libraries to do what you describe its a set of dlls accessed through a common api to talk to most of the major database formats were using it to build an application that queries several databases using sql queries all access using q e is done using sql the package is available through microway in melbourne i believe it is produced by pioneer systems in the us we have no association with microway or pioneer systems other than being satisfied customers feel free to mail me for further information chris programming for nsw national parks and wildlife service chris hutchinson box u302 research programmer university of new england chris sulaw law su oz au armidale nsw 2351 067 727 014 paradox engine 3 0 provides a complete set of c libraries for accessing paradox tables however it seems that it supports only borland turbo c and microsoft c when i tried to compile the engines sample applications with the waterloo watcom c c 32 bit compiler it complains that the library file llibce lib is missing even though i am quite certain that the file is not part of watcom c or the engine anybody have any success with other c compilers ron k ng hydro on ca im currently developing an app with borlands paradox engine for c it also comes in pascal which has recently gone to version 3 0 i e px engine 3 0 is compatible with paradox 4 0 and downward compat w 3 5 there are indeed c libs for fox access but i cant think of the names offhand im sure someone has already written you in that regard i think i just saw an add for a fox lib in the c users journal which is a good place to look for this type of package in general by the way ive been paying my dues to learn a lot of the quirks of px eng over the past year wouldnt recommend it for a complex multiuser app but im staying with it for now its like a bad marriage ive got too much time invested in learning and work arounds but if your interest is limited to a simple single user interface you want to build your own sql engine i take it px engine will do the job easily it doesnt sound like youll be bumping into any of the gotchas if you do write me i may be able to point you in the right direction from raymond cruzio santa cruz ca us raymond borland has a paradox engine and database framework 3 0 which gives you a c and assembler api to paradox databases this is part of boca borlands object component architecture they have technical briefs on boca pdoxeng and other products of theirs from jdm jumbo read tasc com james d mcnamara james d mcnamara tasc 55 walkers brook drive reading ma 01867 3238 617 942 2000x2948 john bongiovanni systems analyst orbital engine company perth australia oecjtb oec4 orbital dialix oz au bongo alumni caltech edu opinions expressed are my own and not those of my organisation windows re w4wg novell in article 1rh2mi ea4 msuinfo cl msu edu bilan cps msu edu thomas j bilan writes if i put lastdrive z in my config sys netx will run but i cant access drive f to log in to novell if i dont put lastdrive z in my config sys i cant access other w4wg drives from the file manager it seems that there should be a way to make netx work with the lastdrive statement in my config sys first off i havent used w4wg but i think thats about to change the problem is the lastdrive command and the way netware in general and in this case netx in particular adds drives to the device chain setting lastdrive z means there are no unassigned as opposed to unused drive letters for netware to use as it tacks its drive mappings onto the end of the existing list of drives w4wg obviously attaches its network drives to existing unused drive letters id guess the next thing id try is something like lastdrive m which on most machines will leave a fair swathe of drives for w4wg and still allow up to 13 netware drive mappings as well nick fitzgerald pc applications consultant csc uni of canterbury n z n fitzgerald csc canterbury ac nz tel 64 3 364 2337 fax 64 3 364 2332 medicine re request gyro souvlaki sauce in article 1993apr23 181051 4023 donner sandiego ncr com davel davelpcsandiego ncr com dave lord writes in article 1r8pcn rm1 terminator rs itd umich edu donald mackie donald mackie med umich edu writes in article 1993apr22 205341 172965 locus com michael trofimoff tron fafnir la locus com writes would anyone out there in net land happen to have an authentic sure fire way of making this great sauce that is used to adorn gyros and souvlaki im not sure of the exact recipe but im sure acidophilus is one of the major ingredients its plain yoghurt with grated cucumber and coriander other spices are sometimes used some people use half yoghurt and half mayonaise in the kind i have made i used a lite sour cream instead of yogurt may not be as good for you but i prefer the taste a few small bits of cuke in addition to the grated cuke may also finish the sauce off nicely trh mutrh uxa ecn bgu edu medicine re thyroidal deficiency in article 1993apr30 162636 22327 cc ic ac uk ewolff ps ic ac uk erik the viking writes she has been to a doctor and taken the ordinary tests and her values were regarded as low the doctor and my wife are not very interested in starting medication as this deactivates the gland giving life long dependency to the drug hormone this is ridiculous and your doctor sounds like a nut if what is reported here is what the doctor actually said if your wifes pancreas stops producing insulin and therefore becomes diabetic shell need insulin replacement that doesnt mean shes dependent on insulin anymore than she was beforehand if her body doesnt make enough shell have to get it elsewhere oral thyroid replacement hormone therapy is the cornerstone of treatment for hypothyroidism and its really the only effective therapy available anyway plus its cheap taking thyroid hormone when it isnt needed does cause your thyroid gland to reduce its own production of the hormone but thats a feature not a bug and its irrelevant in any case in the face of hypothyroidism because her problem that her gland isnt producing enough there isnt a clinical phenomenon of thyroid insufficiency caused by a sudden discontinuation of exogenous thyroid hormone analogous to adrenal insufficiency caused by the sudden cessation of prolonged administration of corticosteroids so there should be no worry about inappropriately suppressing the thyroid gland the last couple of monthes she has been seeing a hoemoepath sp and been given some drops to re activate either her thyroidal gland and or the message center in the brain sorry about the approximate language but i havent got many clues to what the english terms are but the brain area is called the hypofyse in norwegian homeopathy is nonsense tell her to stop wasting her money health and time and get her to a legitimate doctor who will be in a position to make a proper diagnosis and recommend the right therapy steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer cars re open letter to nissan really station wagon with the popularity of minivans the market room for station wagons is squeezed out they are not as comfortable as sedan and dont carry as much as the minivans this is not to say nobody wants the wagon anymore but the demand is certainly hampered by the minivan and may not be economical to build a product for jason chen a station wagon owner cars re militech jchen wind bellcore com jason chen writes i saw an interesting product in ny auto show and would like to hear your comments militech tm is yet another oil additive but the demonstration of this product really impressive if it didnt cheat well i heard that militech stuff works pretty good too one of my friends who races in scca sanctioned events and all that stuff got the militech stuff early as a trial thing and he put it in his crx he says it worked great but i didnt ask him for any details erich erich lim yob sccsi com ye olde bailey bbs 713 520 1569 v 32bis 713 520 9566 v 32bis houston texas yob sccsi com home of alt cosuard medicine re cant breathe in article 1p8t1p mvv agate berkeley edu romdas uclink berkeley edu ella i baff writes re the prostate treatment is worse than the disease in medicine there really is something histologically identified as prostate tissue and there are observable changes which take place that whenever they occur can be identified as prostate cancer what if i told you that most chiropractorstreat subluxation spinal demons which dont exist at all therefore any tissue damage incurred in a chiropractic treatment performed in an effort to exorcise this elusive silent killer such as ligamentous damage and laxity microfracture of the joint surfaces rib fractures strokes paralysis etc is by definition worse than non treatment john badanes dc ca email romdas uclink berkeley edu what does dc stand for couldnt be an antichiropractic posting from a chiropractor could it my curiosity is piqued prostate ca is an especially troublesome entity for chiropractors it so typically causes bone pain due to spinal metastases that it gets manipulated frequently manipulating a cancer riddled bone is highly dangerous since it can then fracture ive seen at least three cases where this happened with resulting neurologic damage including paraplegia this is one instance where knowing how to read x rays can really help a chiropractor stay out of trouble do chiropractors know what bony mets from prostate look like gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows re quicken 6 vs tobias managing your money in article 1993apr20 040449 19649 twg com q twg com michael wiesenberg wrote i just got a copy of tobias managing your money v9 0 i have quicken 6 and its wonderful for some things but mym seems to have some features that q6 doesnt for example q6 doesnt seem to be able to handle monthly automatic deductions from a checking account you know a monthly payment that gets electronically deducted every month from my checking account or is there something that im not doing right and q6 can actually do that hi i have never used mym so i can not help you with the comparison of the two products i am however a devoted quicken user and i can tell you how to set up the weekly monthly quarterly yearly transactions first use the memorize feature ctrl m to record the recurring transactions next define a transaction group which uses these memorized transactions and specify the frequency that it should be used i e monthly quicken will can not automatically make the transactions for you but now all you do is recall the group and all of the individual transactions will be entered at once additionally if you are using the bill minder it will remind you when each transaction group is due for example you could have three transaction groups one for payments at the beginning of the month middle of the month and one for quarterly payments i hope this helps mike baseball re defensive averages 1988 1992 third base dale stephenson steph cs uiuc edu wrote in c5jjrj em3 cs uiuc edu steph cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes compiled from the last five defensive average reports here are the career das for the individual players in the reports stats are courtesy of sherri nichols players are listed in descending order and some comments with some players deleted third basemen leius scott 653 680 0 672 looks good too bad hes moving to short pagliarulo mike 631 575 744 0 649 this is an interesting line his 1988 figure was slightly below average his 1990 was pathetic and his 1991 was the next best year by anybody part of that may be his mobility 1988 was with the yankees 1990 was with the padres who appear to have a rotten infield 1991 was with the twins and judging by leius and gaetti the metrodome may be a good place to play third gaetti gary 616 638 655 632 0 637 apologies if i dont know what im talking about but as a twins fan i like to think they have good players in any park not sure if i remember completely or not but i think gaetti played with the twins in 87 for the world series and again in 88 note thats his lowest of the 4 i believe the next 3 or at least the last two were played with the angels lots of factors make a player excell i hate it when so many use the dome it may not be ideal but nice to comfortably enjoy baseball and football even when its snowing and raining craig im sure the company for which i work does not have all the same opinions that i do cars is car saftey important i was recently thumbing through the 1993 lemon aid new car guide what i found was a car would be given a recommended under the picture while a few sentences later noting how a driver and passenger were virtually guaranteed to be killed in a front end collision the most highly recommended small car the civic has the worst crash rating of all of the small cars listed there were many such cases of great vehicles where you wouldnt survive an accident is it only me or is safety not one of the most important factors when buying a car windows problem with winqvt net 2 81 and dos 6 0 i have been using winqvt net 2 81 under win3 1 dos 5 0 for quite sometime without any problem i recently installed dos 6 0 on my 386 40 pc and i cannot run winqvt net any more i keep getting packet received for invalid port reset sent messages on the console window i cant get more than 1 telnet window and cant use ftp any suggestions would be greatly appreciated thanks george kontoravdis condor ccwf cc utexas edu medicine re barbecued foods and health risk in article 1993apr18 175802 28548 clpd kodak com rich young young serum kodak com writes stuff deleted have to consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a time i have to confess that this is one of my few unfulfilled ambitions no matter how much i eat it still seems realistic don mackie his opinion windows how to transfer to video tape hi all im asking for info on behalf of a friend is there what would be the best way to copy the output of a monitor on to video tape any ideas please prescribe additional hardware and or software im just assuming an intel windows environment thanks in advance jerry help support dam jerry w johnson struggling csci grad student jwjohn ecst csuchico edu is there any other kind mothers against dyslexia guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu bill green writes and a few other questions like i said i believe the actions taken in general were proper but i still have some reservations weve heard a lot of talk about brainwashing in waco but the brainwashing of the general population never ceases to amaze me here is an example of action being taken which results in the worst possible outcome and despite peoples deep intuition telling them something is wrong the programming will still cut in and say that the agents probably acted in good faith no they didnt they either did not have enough information to act in good faith or else they acted knowing the risk sums up human stupidity all over and one of these days it will destroy the fucking planet oh sorry didnt think they would respond by launching a strike all our best calculations told us they were bluffing alan greig janet a greig uk ac dct dundee institute of technology internet a greig dct ac uk tel 0382 308810 int 44 382 308810 never underestimate the power of human stupidity windows re help with changing startup logo in article 1rgtba gtn access digex net farley access digex com charles u farley writes i know this is probably a faq but i installed the s w for my ati graphics card and it bashed my windows logo files when i start windows now it has the 3 0 logo instead of the 3 1 logo i thought the files that controlled this were windows system vgalogo rle windows system vgalogo lgo i restored these files but it didnt change the logo anyone know what the correct files are i believe you have the correct files i think what youll have to do is go back into setup and choose change video adapter or whatever it is called then the trick is choose the same adaptor you currently have what setup does is it actually changes the file win com whenever you go into it and change the video hardware selection it incorporates the contents of vgalogo rle into win com when you do this this trick can also be used to change the startup logo into whatever you want it to be sig alert dbstrutt acs ucalgary ca end sig alert medicine re lyme vaccine kathleen richards kilty ucrengr wrote my nearly 13 year old pomeranian had a nasty reaction to this vaccination suffice it to say we will not vaccinate her for lyme disease again shes been camping through some 6 states and has backpacked with us as well and we are used to watching for ticks and dealing with them and we simply wont take her to really active lyme disease areas not to drag this out anymore but many veterinarians feel that lyme disease in dogs is so easy to treat that in an endemic area they often just give the appropriate antibiotics to dogs presenting with lameness swollen joints fever a recent paper march 1993 has finally established that lyme disease in dogs can be reproduced in a controlled experimentaly setting this has been an ellusive matter for researchers and is one of the fundamental requirements for many to acknowledge an agent as being causitive of a particular disease up to now only the vaccine manufacturer has been able to prove that the disease exists this paper is noteworthy in two other regards 1 none of the animals they infected were treated in any way the dogs had episodes of lameness during a 6 8 week period which occurred 2 5 months after exposure after this period none showed any further clinical signs up to the 17 month observation period of the study so these are proven clinically sick lyme patients showing spontaneous recovery without the benefit of drug treatment of course observations longer than 17 months will be necessary to be sure the disease doesnt have the same chronicity that some see in humans 2 the addendum to the paper calls into question the techniques used by the vaccine manufacturer to validate the vaccine of course they want the world to use the model they developed in order to test vaccine efficacy anyway maybe we will see some independent scientifically sound evaluations of this vaccine in the next year or so jeff parke jeffp pgavin1 vetmed wsu edu also jeffp wsuvm1 bitnet aol jeffparke washington state university college of veterinary medicine class of 1994 pullman wa 99164 7012 windows re help with winqvt swartzjh nextwork rose hulman edu jeff h swartz writes when i use a name such as rosevc rose hulman edu initiating nameserver query for rosevc nameserver query time out when i use the ip number local host or gateway not responding i know the nameserver is correct and the router is correct they work fine using ncsa telnet ftp they are working ok but your definitions in qvtnet ini and qvthost rc are incorrect see below the docs said if you are running concurrent packet software you need to load pktmux does this apply to me no i dont think so you are using qvtnet and novell concurrently arent you they use different packet types so qvtnet tcp ip and novell ipx spx should be able to coexist just fine pktmux is required if you are using different tcp ip packages concurrently this is the qvthost rc file 137 112 5 2 137 112 199 50 there is the first problem you didnt specify hostnames just ip addresses your file should look like this 137 112 5 2 name of your nameserver 137 112 199 50 name of your router this is the beginning of the winqvt ini file net name swartzjh test rose hulman edu here you should only specify your hostname without the domain part router 137 112 199 50 instead use router name of your router as specified in your qvthost rc i know the release notes for 3 31 say that ip addresses should work also but apparently they dont nameserver 137 112 5 2 here too you should use the hostname of the nameserver instead of the ip address it worked fine for me that way although i could not specify more than one nameserver the relnotes say it should be possible to specify up to three nameservers separated by commas but it didnt work hope it helps richard dr richard spitz internet spitz ana med uni muenchen de edv gruppe anaesthesie tel 49 89 7095 3421 klinikum grosshadern fax 49 89 7095 8886 munich germany cars re warning please read in article neilson 93apr15135919 seoul mpr ca neilson seoul mpr ca robert neilson writes sorry for the 0 auto content but that is why low abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is imminent steve heracleous you do have the power steve you can do it why dont you why dont you go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars make sure you do a good job though dont miss cause like they have big rocks and take it from me those kids are mean as a stong self defense advocate youre statement does littel but irk me of course shooting someone because they throw a rock at your car is out of the question but what if they disabled your car with their rock and then wanted to come kill rape rob beat or otherwise harm you your wife kids i think you would like the power to defend yourself in this situation wouldnt you or is it that you value the lives of such rock throwers more than your own or those of your family dont think it couldnt happen to you from the sounds of it here it has happened to a few people please do not misunderstand the only justification for using deadly force on someone is that if you dont it will mean your own death or grave bodily harm i am far far away from supporting vilante justice or anything like that oh and if you mean to be funny please add the appropriate followups to talk politics guns please were getting a bit off track here steve syck syck5280 miller cs uwm edu windows how to change an icon for a program in windows suppose you want to change the particular icon for a program in windows such as the ms dos one would someone let me know how you can do this thanks a million chad toelle toelle evansville edu 4216 s st philip rd or mt vernon in 47620 uunet evansville edu toelle 812 985 3222 medicine natural anti cancer aids remedies the biggest reason why the cost of medical care is so extremely high and increasing is that natural methods of treatment and even diagnosis are still being systematically ignored and suppressed by the money grubbing and power mongering medical establishment some examples of very low cost natural anti cancer remedies are listed in the following article natural anti cancer remedies a 3rd opinion some of these remedies also work against aids disclaimer this list was compiled from unorthodox sources that have shown themselves to be reliable the compiler of this list is not a doctor of any kind but is exercising his first amendment constitutional right of free speech on the subjects of his choice most of these remedies can be found in any grocery store most of the rest of them can be found in any health food store what is important is how they are used and what else is excluded during their use 1 the 7 day fast 1st day eat as much fresh fruit as you want one kind at a time preferably grapes 2nd day eat all the vegetables you want at least half raw including garlic also whole kernel corn to help scrape clean the intestinal linings 3rd day drink all the fresh fruit and vegetable juice you want preferably start with 16 to 32 ounces of prune juice with pulp followed by a gallon of pure not from concentrate apple juice then grape juice stay close to your home bathroom 4th day eat all the un salted nuts no peanuts and dried fruit you want preferably raisins and almonds almonds contain laetrile 5th day one gallon of lemonade squeeze the juice from two lemons into a gallon of water preferably distilled and add 2 to 4 tablespoons of locally made honey no sugar drink one glass per hour everyone including healthy people should do this one day every week preceded by a large glass of prune juice with pulp 6th day same as 5th day 7th day same as 6th day all 7 days eat only the foods listed above for each day along with your usual vitamin and mineral supplements plus as much distilled water as you want 2 the grape diet eat 2 to 3 ounces of fresh grapes every 2 hours 8 am to 8 pm every day for six days eat nothing else during the six days but drink as much distilled water as you want 3 apple cider vinegar mix a teaspoon of pure apple cider vinegar not apple cider flavored vinegar regular vinegar is harmful in a glass of water preferably distilled and drink all of it do this 3 or 4 times per day for 3 weeks then stop for a week repeat if desired do this along with a normal healthy diet of natural foods this remedy is especially effective against those types of cancer that resemble a fungus as well as against other kinds of fungus infections 4 the sea salt soda bath please keep an open mind fill a bathtub with moderately warm water so the level comes up almost to the overflow drain when you get in immerse yourself in it for a minute and then completely dissolve in the bath water 1 pound of sun evaporated sea salt regular salt wont work and 1 pound of fresh baking soda soak in this bath for 10 to 20 minutes while exercising your fingers toes and limbs turning sideways and onto your stomach dunking your head sitting up and laying back down chomping your teeth together etc among other things the sea salt soda bath neutralizes the accumulated effects of x rays etc as described in the book born to be magnetic vol 2 by frances nixon 1973 precautions only the one person using each bath should prepare it and drain it for at least 30 minutes after taking the bath stay away from and even out of sight of other people your greatly expanded aura energy field during that time could disrupt other peoples fields two hours after the bath eat at least 8 ounces of yogurt containing active yogurt cultures the bath may kill friendly bacteria also better yet take a 2 billion bacteria acidophilus capsule which is also an excellent daily remedy against the effects of a i d s because it kills all kinds of harmful bacteria in the digestive tract taking a big load off the remaining immune system because this external bath can kill in ternal bacteria it may also be a cure for lyme disease do not take this bath within a few hundred miles of a thunder storm within 3 days of a full moon nor during major or minor periods as listed in the solunar tables published bimonthly in field stream magazine because of the measurable disruptive ambient environmental energy fields present at those times do not take this bath more than four times per year 5 miscellaneous natural anti cancer remedies for skin cancer apply stabilized aloe vera jel to the affected skin twice daily and take 2 to 4 tablespoons per day of stabilized aloe vera juice internally for about 2 months d m s o dimethyl sulfoxide causes cancer cells to perform normal cell functions almonds un blanched un roasted contain laetrile to help prevent cancer eat several almonds every day to help cure cancer eat several ounces of almonds per day never take large concentrated doses of laetrile orally it will kill you take it intravenously only cancer cells contain a certain enzyme which converts laetrile into cyanide which then kills the cell this enzyme is also present in the digestive system anti oxidants are free radical scavengers and include vitamin e selenium 200 mcg per day is safe for most people chromium up to 100 mcg per day vitamin a 25 000 iu per day is safe for most people superoxide dismutase up to 4 000 000 units per day vitamin c up to 3000 mg per day and bht butylated hydroxy toluene 1 to 4 capsules of bht every night at bedtime will also make one immune against herpes both types suppress herpes symptoms if one already has herpes prevent spreading herpes to other people but will not cure herpes bht might also do these things against a i d s which is really a form of cancer similar to leukemia see the book life extension by durk pearson and sandy shaw hydrogen peroxide dilute twelve 12 drops of 3 hydrogen peroxide in a glass of pure water preferably distilled and drink it do this once or twice per day hours before or after eating or drinking anything else apply 3 hydrogen peroxide directly to skin cancers several times per day use hydrogen peroxide only if you are taking a good daily dose of some of the various anti oxidants described above vitamin mineral supplements are more effective and much less expensive when combined together in mega doses into single tablets made from natural sources cancer cells can not live in a strong 100 000 maxwell north magnetic field especially if it is pulsating on and off a strong south magnetic field is an aphrodisiac in my opinion all types of ionizing radiation treatments for cancer should be replaced with daily 30 minute doses of pulsating 100 000 maxwell north magnetic fields properly made and operated radionics psionics machines can both diagnose and cure all forms of cancer as well as most other medical problems some radionics psionics machines can even take cross sectional x ray like photos of cancer tumors etc with out x rays interferon tablets taheebo tea lapacho homeopathy can cure cancer and many other medical problems even drug addiction 50 mg per day of chelated zinc can help prevent or cure prostate trouble this list is not exhaustive the above natural remedies can cure both diagnosed and un diagnosed cancers as well as prevent them and also prevent and cure many other medical problems including heart diseases they are not too simple and inexpensive to work effectively besides acting on a person biologically and chemically these remedies especially the 7 day fast and the grape diet send a strong message to ones subconscious mind programming it to cure the cancer in my opinion if a person finds out that s he has cancer then s he should promptly try at least the first 4 remedies described above in sequence starting with the 7 day fast before resorting to the un natural and expensive mutilations and agonies poison burn and mutilate of orthodox cancer treatment organi ed crime disclaimer this list was compiled from unorthodox sources that have shown themselves to be reliable the compiler of this list is not a doctor of any kind but is exercising his first amendment constitutional right of free speech on the subjects of his choice for more information contact cancer control society 2043 n berendo st los angeles ca 90027 and or other organiza tions listed in the alternative medicine and holistic medicine portions of the health and medical organizations section section 8 of the latest edition of the encyclope dia of associations reference book in your local public or university library un altered reproduction and dissemination of this important information is encouraged robert e mcelwaine baseball re 61 orioles trivia bunker mcnally were later pappas estrada steve barber and jay religion silence is concurance is it not the case that in the eyes of the law when someone is aware of something and has the capability of taking action and does not that individual may be held responsible for that action example the driver of a getaway car may be held as an accomplice to murder the i didnt know defense spawned the ignorance of the law is no excuse when an individual is held as a material witness to a crime is there a criminal charge against the individual if not on what grounds is the person imprisoned james w meritt m23364 mwunix mitre org or jmeritt mitre org the opinions above are mine if anyone else wants to share them fine they may say so if they wish the facts belong to noone and simply are baseball re re all time best players 1b career don mattingly medicine re sinus vs migraine was re sinus endoscopy in article 1993mar26 001004 10983 news eng convex com cash convex com peter cash writes by the way does the brain even have pain receptors i thought not i heard that brain surgery can be performed while the patient is conscious for precisely this reason no no we arent talking about receptors for the brains sensory innervation but structures such as the thalamus that handle pain for the entire organism apples and oranges gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon religion re a kind and loving god not in article sandvik 160493205451 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes in article 1993apr16 181605 15072 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote this brings up another question i still have to ponder why is there so much anti semitism why do people hate jews i dont hate jews i consider them to be like anyone else sinners we all are i dont know i dont care about ethnical rights and wrongs myself but its evident that christians consider jews no longer to be the sole selected group of gods people while jews consider this to be the case christian anti semitism comes from the obvious fact that the jews should know the hebrew scriptures better than anyone else yet they did not convert to christianity en mass thus rejecting christian love no wonder this caused anti semitism one might even wonder that if christianity didnt do this separation would anti semitism have even started i dont see why not where are the rest of the tribal people what happened to the tribes of the americas culture is seen as different and undesirable in the west particular in the us with its failed melting pot concept most tribes have been hunted to extinction the hebrew tribe is one of the few survivers from the neolithic of course it becomes difficult at times to separate christianity from the western experience so perhaps you are right perhaps it would have been a better world if the cultural experiment in christianity never happened religion re spreading christianity re christian extremist kills doctor nyikos math scarolina edu peter nyikos writes i addressed most of the key issues in this very long 284 lines post by dean kaflowitz in two posts yesterday the first was made into the title post of a new thread is dean kaflowitz terminally irony impaired and the second more serious one appeared along the thread a chaney post and a challenge reissued and revised if youre so insecure about people reading your posts that you feel the need to write new posts announcing what you wrote in old posts why bother accept it phoney youre a laughingstock baseball re astros for real in article 1993apr15 234838 4138 ccsvax sfasu edu z millerwl ccsvax sfasu edu writes who thinks the astros are going places theyre currently first place theyre 5 4 5 1 on the road i agree lumberjack except that theyre in 2nd they are going places san diego los angeles san francisco cincinnati denver atlanta miami philadelphia new york montreal pittsburgh chicago st louis and points in between but theyre 0 3 at home im just not used to an overly enthusiastic houston fan i really shouldnt discourage it so hang in there lumberjack but get ahold of that shift key will ya obbase apparently the new owner drayton mclain sp doesnt particularly like excuses an item in our paper the austin american statesman if you read it here it was somewhere else first said that he wouldnt take injuries as an excuse for losing because that possibility should have been accounted for uh oh i dont want an owner thatll keep everybody on edge id never gotten that feeling about him but who knows does anybody down there in the houston area have a feel for how meddling of an owner mclain is going to be marc stephenson ibm aws advanced workstations systems austin tx disclaimer the content of this posting is independent of official ibm position internet marc austin ibm com vnet marc at ausvmq ibm t l 678 3189 guns janet reno and responsibility i see no difference between janet renos claim of responsibility for the waco massacre and the iras claims of responsibility for various acts of terrorism against british citizens dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com im beginning to look forward to reaching the 100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt at that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds baseball re players rushed to majors in article c5hq3o g4p tss com hanson tss com hanson loo writes didnt bob horner go straight from arizona state univ to the atlanta braves i remember he had one great month hitting dingers and then the next i heard he was in japan a month well he did have a short career compared to what one might have expected for such a highly touted prospect due to being injury prone overweight and having no work ethic but he certainly did not suffer from being rushed to the bigs len reed holos software inc voice 404 496 1358 ext 16 domain lbr holos atl ga usa uucp lbr holos0 uucp guns re guns in backcountry no thanks hi in canada any gun that enters a national park must be sealed i think its a small metal tag thats placed over the trigger the net result of this is that you cant use a gun to protect yourself from bears or psychos in the national parks instead one has to be sensitive to the dangers and annoyances of hiking in bear country and take the appropriate precautions i think this policy makes the users of the national parks feel a little closer to nature that they are a part of nature and as such have to deal with nature on its own terms guy guns re criminals machineguns theres only one way i know of to tell an ar 15 from an m 16 pick it up hold it about a foot from your face and look closely at the saftey lever if it has two positions its an ar 15 if it has three its an m 16 there are numerous internal differences as well but since one would have to field strip the weapon to see them they are not valid in this discussion so in conclusion there is very little external differences to distinguish an ar 15 from an m 16 except at close very close range david bixler auburn university all standard disclaimers apply baseball re apology for article in article grabiner 93apr23112924 germain harvard edu writes but it is subject to all kinds of bias and is almost completely useless for first basemen from the raw stats there is no way to tell which of a first basemans putouts were made on throws from other fielders and which were made on his own plays likewise you cant tell whether a double play was 6 4 3 or 3 6 3 fielding runs thus gives a first baseman no credit for putouts or double plays only for assists and errors but ingnoring putouts is biased in yet another way range is not the only thing that makes a good firstbaseman the ability to field all sorts of balls thrown to him digging some out of the dirt stretching for others and so forth is important thus putouts do provide some information maybe what we need is a comparision of how many balls were thrown to the area of the first baseman vs how many he actually got jim mann stratus computer jmann vineland pubs stratus com baseball re notes on jays vs indians series in 1993apr15 123803 4618 webo dg com lyford dagny webo dg com lyford beverage writes in article 1993apr13 202037 9485 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article rudyc5fr3q 1cl netcom com rudy netcom com rudy wade writes in article c5fmxd 2pm cs dal ca niguma ug cs dal ca gord niguma writes reference to history because he certainly didnt have the best season for second basemen in history he probably didnt even have as good a season as alomar last year what do you have some measure like popularity in toronto doesnt count that you are basing this statement on uh yes baerga has a lot of flash but alomar was the better hitter last year batters ba slg obp g ab r h tb 2b 3b hr rbi bb so sb cs e baerga c 312 455 354 161 657 92 205 299 32 1 20 105 35 76 10 2 19 alomar r 310 427 405 152 571 105 177 244 27 8 8 76 87 52 49 9 5 this is fascinating you say that alomar was the better hitter last year and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that baerga had a better year the only category that i see which shows an advantage for alomar is obp hmmm what about walks and sb baerga got clobbered by alomar in obp and beat him in slg by a lesser margin even putting aside any other factors a player with a 51 point edge in obp is more productive than a player with a 28 point edge in slg the issue has been studied before and i doubt you could come up with any convincing argument the other way people see the batting average and the hr but they dont really know their value is worth unless theyve studied the issue closely the fact is that baerga ate up a lot more outs than alomar while baerga was making outs alomar was drawing walks and being on base for carter winfield et al gord niguma fav player john olerud guns re text of white house announcement and q as on clipper chip encryption for those who didnt figure it out the below message was a reply to another in sci crypt for which the poster put t p g in the followup to line i didnt notice that apologies to those who were confused the substance makes little sense unless one reads the prior messages however i dont wish to enter into this discussion here as it will be yet another rehearsal of a long tired set of arguments suffice it to say that i disagree both with the interpretation of well regulated in the second amendment offered by gun lovers and what i think to be their distortion of the same phrase in the associated federalist papers my webster and my reading of the language convinces me that the word meant both under control and disciplined and not of good marksmanship i think the latter a special interest pleading no one has yet shown a contemporateous reference in which well regulated unambiguously meant of good marksmanship and not under control disciplined etc thus i continue to believe the second amendment is a militia clause and not an arming everyone clause others are welcome to disagree as i know many do and little would be served by rehashing this topic in this particular forum to avoid flames or unproductive rehashings i note that ive come in here to post this one message just to clarify the one below im now outta here again though im available via e mail david in article strnlghtc5tr6d n3n netcom com strnlght netcom com david sternlight writes though i agree this is not the place to discuss guns i note in passing that a number of gun apologists seem to have ignored the words well regulated in their distorted interpretations of the second amendment david david sternlight great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information errors and omissions excepted david sternlight great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information errors and omissions excepted guns re waco clinton press conference part 1 could yall please stop posting this stuff to tx general tx politics is sufficient and is where this stuff belongs thanks cathy cathy foulston rice university network systems support cathyf rice edu windows setting up three user accounting system with wfwg i am a novice at best in working with pc networks and am in the process of planning a small accounting system for a small business the particular need in this case is for three machines each in a different office of the same building each having access to a windows based accounting system my first thought is to set up ms windows for workgroups on each of the machines likely a 486 and two 386s along with the appropriate ethernet cards and cabling that come with the windows for workgroups starter kit one additional user kit will be necessary it then seems logical to purchase a simple multi user accounting system along the lines of daceasy or m y o b and fire it all up the 486 will more or less act as server with a report check printer attached to it cable runs of 30 40 feet will be necessary for this setup well this all seems too easy to me would any of you network gurus out there tell me if i am out of my mind here any and all suggestions however trivial will be immensely appreciated my apologies if this has been brought up before thanks john john e martin jemartin nyx cs du edu university of puget sound 92 kent wa formerly martin ups edu seinfeldsupersonicsrushbelafleck john e martin jemartin nyx cs du edu university of puget sound 92 kent wa formerly martin ups edu seinfeldsupersonicsbc rushdweckl guns re whos next mormons and jews in article c5s5n0 dyj world std com rjk world std com robert j kolker writes thank you for remembering matzada matzada was not an insane act it was a sanctification of g ds name and the most extreme denial of tyranny possible to this day the officers of the tzahal isreal defense force take their oath at the fortress lo tepol shaynit matzadah matzadah will not fall again not anymore recent archaeological inspection of the site presents pretty compelling evidence that the mass suicide at masada never occured this evidence was so compelling tha the tzahal no long hold their secret ceremony at the fortress ron phillips crphilli hound dazixca ingr com senior customer engineer intergraph electronics 381 east evelyn avenue voice 415 691 6473 mountain view ca 94041 fax 415 691 0350 baseball re wfan in article c5jc3z knd news udel edu philly ravel udel edu robert c hite wrote wip took two of your best sports jockeys too jody macdonald and steve fredericks dude are you nuts wfan is second to none jody macs exit was quite a loss but if you think fredericks on the fan was much of one youre pretty skewed sean medicine cystic breast disease my mom has just been diagnosed with cystic breast disease a big relief as it was a lump that could have been cancer her doctor says she should go off caffeine and chocolate for 6 months as well as stopping the estrogen shes been taking for menopause related reasons shes not thrilled with this i think especially because she just gave up cigarettes soon she wont have any pleasures left now i thought id heard that cystic breasts were common and not really a health risk is this accurate if so why is she being told to make various sacrifices to treat something thats not that big of a deal thanks for any information chris black sybase com note my mailer tends to garble subject lines guns re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm 0 90 2 735386976 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes i dont remember the figures exactly but there were about 3500 deaths in texas in 1991 that was caused by guns that includes suicides since it has been shown in other countries that suicide rates are pretty much independent of the means available for doing oneself in studies include some done published in japan canada austria norway suicides ought not be included in the count if this is done the number of vehicle related deaths greatly exceeds that of firearms related deaths in texas i should not suffer because of others certainly not we all agree on this one but we also live in a sociaty and therefor well have to give up some of our freedom note the why unless its doing something that directly hurts someone else whats the point otherwise youd better stop operating all motor vehicles since the price of operating them greatly exceeds the cost in lives of firearms one state dont remember which texas tried to impose a rule that you could only buy one gun each month think you all know what happened well its been done at least twice south north carolina did it a few years back and watched its crime rate relative to the rest of the country rise quite a bit virginia just passed the law no word yet on what the results will be but id be willing ot bet that a reduction in crime rates wont be one of them i respect the right to defend yourself but that right should not inflict on other people self defense doesnt inflict on other people except perhaps the criminal whos tried to do you damage and maybe indirectly on future potential victims who might not become victims some things are too important not to give away to everybody else and have none left for yourself dieter the car salesman medicine accupuncture and aids a friend of mine is seeing an acupuncturist and wants to know if there is any danger of getting aids from the needles thanks alice windows postscript at 600 dpi using a windows 3 1 printer driver i would like to print to a file with output as a postscript file later i would like to take this postscript file to a machine with an attached hewlett packard 4m laser printer and print the document at 600 dots per inch resolution i would like to use this method to print from wordperfect for windows and from an image processing program that can output images in postscript heres the problem the windows postscript printer driver pscript drv doesnt allow me to specify 600 dpi in fact the setup dialog for this driver does have a pull down menu for resolution but the only choice given in the menu is 300 not a really useful menu any ideas david arnstein arnstein iis sun com international imaging systems milpitas california baseball re rockies not rookies in c500u7 kr8 news cso uiuc edu dbl50872 uxa cso uiuc edu daniel brian lake writes youd think that an expansion team would be filled with youngns not guys like murphy galaragga b smith it depends if you can get your old veterans cheap and if they can perform at a higher level than your young talent can now why not the talent develop in the minors while giving the fans some familiar names to cheer if the veterans are gone in a year or two that should be just about right maybe someone should tell those renegade front office people in denver open question which was more important to the expansion clubs the expansion draft or the regular draft theyve had one of each i think dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball windows re how redirect print manager to file in 70540011 hpcc01 corp hp com reed hpcc01 corp hp com perry reed writes hpcc01 comp os ms windows misc u7911093 cc nctu edu tw by swh 9 58 am apr 24 1993 hello who can tell me where can i find the pd or shareware which can capture windows 3 1s output of printer mananger if you are planning on using this on a regular basis conncting the printer to file can become bothersome because windows then asks you for the filename that you want to create ive found that putting a line in system ini in the ports section with just a path and filename works the only problem is that if you send more than one job the second one deletes the first chris cmj acsu buffalo edu is christopher johnson pgp public key encryption for the masses disclaimer i didnt say that pgp encrypted mail welcome pgp public key pgp public keys toxicwaste mit edu orwell may very well have been correct he just had the year wrong me religion re what part of no dont you understand in 1993apr24 214843 10940 midway uchicago edu eeb1 quads uchicago edu e elizabeth bartley writes i can certainly see opposing the amen but that doesnt require opposing a moment of silence i already responded to this on one dimension but afterthoughts cause me to make another independent reply the problem with a moment of silence is that it is not an even handed way of allowing for religion amongst students in the public schools as i noted before muslims need more than a moment of silence in order to perform the prayers they are required by muhammad to do and at least orthodox jewish prayer also has requirements that are not addressed by this there is in fact a highly selective bias towards christian prayer in this moment of silence shit and that is especially bizarre in that christian prayer doesnt need this stuff a christain may pray totally incognito at any time to some extent this is true of muslims and jews as well what i intend in my first paragraph is that there are some characteristic forms of prayer in these religions which do need special times and or behavior which cannot be undertaken without an observer being able taking note of it a christian may pray at any time silently and without any trace of his activity being evident to others that may or may not be true of the other religious traditions amongst us certainly these tend to have some forms of prayer that would evidence differences from american protestant mainstream religion all that a moment of silence does is to allow that one tradition which doesnt need it to have a special place set aside in the public schools there is nothing in christian prayer that requires public forms or rugs or phylacteries or anything else at all visible to the outside world a christian student may and probably does pray at innumerable times during the day without anyone else knowing it that may also be true of non christians i am not claimng otherwise in the moment of silence it would still be difficult for the jews to gather and daven for the muslims to do their ablutions and find qiblah to mecca and engage in the prescribed forms but of course christians can do their thing and therefore the provision is nothing but a disguised attempt to encourage just that luckily there is a strong jewish presence in this country and i as a christian revere some of the jewish teachers i had in public schools and a growing muslim presence as well i can only hope that the political forces consequent on this will prevent the imposition of christian forms on non christians as far as i can see as a christian there is nothing in this moment of silence campaign but an attempt to use public social pressure to force children to adhere to a pattern that is biased towards christianity and as a christian i must protest such coercion for what its worth i suspect that the coercion is not really targeted at the non christians it is yet another case of failure amongst christian parents in making their children prayerful so that they want the public schools to teach what they cannot manage to teach despite having all the opportunity in the world to do so if you have taught your children to pray they do not need a moment of silence in school if you have not managed to teach them the moment will only embarrass you give it up michael l siemon i say you are gods sons of the mls panix com most high all of you nevertheless or you shall die like men and fall mls ulysses att com like any prince psalm 82 6 7 baseball re jack morris maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes in 1993apr19 053221 11240 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article 1993apr19 024222 11181 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes hey valentine i dont see boston with any world series rings on their fingers yah so damn morris now has three and probably the hall of fame in his future he certainly didnt earn his last one how many games did he blow in the world series all of the ones he started he certainly did earn it he was a valuable member of the blue jay team not particularly in the world series during the season he was probably more valuable than say putting olerud out there to pitch but yeah he was valuable in getting them there in the postseason he sucked dirty canal water through a straw the jays won in spite of morris much more than because of him therefore i would have to say toronto easily made the best signing oh yes definitely therefore morris is better than clemens your definition of better refers to some measurement on a scale that has nothing to do with winning ws rings umm roger return with us to those halcyon days of a few postings ago where the poster valentine was replying to used of ws rings as a measure of better the concept is called context and you should really become familiar with it someday the facts are that morris has shown us that he has what it takes to play on a ws winning club clemens hasnt unless this transaltes to clemens hasnt gone into lou gormans office with a large caliber handgun and refused to come out until hed been traded to the jays im at a complete loss as to any possible meaning for it you can go on about what clemens has done in the past and claim that he is better than morris if you want to but the facts are that morris has shown us that he can win and clemens hasnt what on earth does this mean over their careers clemens has won 68 of the games hes started morris 58 per year clemens has averaged nearly 17 wins morris just under 15 would you grant the proposition that preventing the other team from scoring increases your chances of winning a game if so then consider that clemens allows 2 8 runs 9 innings pitched morris allows nearly a run more per nine innings in fact jack morris has never in his career had an era for a single year as good as clemens career era but i forget in the maynardverse there was obviously some mystical significance to buckner missing that grounder in 1986 had morris been on the sox it would have been a routine groundout right whether or not clemens is better by your standard of measurement is totally meaningless the object of the game is not to compile high figures in statistics that you have chosen to feel are important the object of the game is to contribute to ws victories but this has been patiently explained to you many many times and you are either too stupid or too stubborn to grasp it speaking of stupid it has been patiently and not so patiently explained to you many times that attributing greatness to players based on the accomplishments of their teams makes about as much sense as claiming that a racecar has the most attractive paint job because it won the race your continued failure to not only understand but even to intelligently reply to any of the arguments presented leads me to the conclusion that you must have spent a few too many games in goal without a mask dont give me that shit if boston had alomar olerud henke and ward while toronto had rivera jack clark jeff reardon things would have looked a little different last fall give credit where credit is due this lavishing of praise on morris makes me sick yes and the dog would have caught the rabbit too forget about what didnt happen and open your eyes for once and look out there and see what is really happening forget about how morris shouldnt have won 21 with an era over 4 when morris pitched last year the jays won stop crying about it and get on with life no one is crying the jays won and as a team they certainly deserved to win at least the al east they performed well in two short series and won the world series and i congratulate them for it as a red sox fan i hope they keep morris i was happy when they picked up stewart and elated when they traded for darrin jackson you see unless you believe in some mystical link between morris and the offense you can hardly help but believe that the man was credited with so many wins last year because he got lucky luck runs out just like it did in 1982 when he pitched 50 odd more innings than 1992 gave up exactly one earned run more than in 1992 and went 17 16 seriously roger id really like to hear your explanation of the difference between the 1982 morris and the 1992 morris which one was a better pitcher and why did morris somehow learn how to win in the intervening ten years if so then why did he go 18 12 in 1991 with minnesota with an era over half a run lower than 1992 mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com dont be humble youre not that great cars re sport utility vehical comparisons any opinions karl elvis macrae kmac cisco com wrote im looking at the following three suvs anyone whos driven all three have any strong opinions ford explorer toyota 4runner nissan pathfinder well i was just in your position and i drove all three and liked all three it was a toss up i marginally went with the pathfinder based on reliability and looks i dont think you can go wrong with any of them john jdenune pandora sdsu edu cars re im getting a car i need opinions in a previous article ip02 ns1 cc lehigh edu danny phornprapha says i have 30 000 as my budget im looking for a sports or gt car what do you think would be the best buy im looking for specific models thanks danny hey you programmers out there danny phornprapha please consider this ip02 lehigh edu bugs are another endangered earth lucc student konsultant species needing your protection work 215 758 4141 for an all out sports car id go for the rx 7 without the sports suspension which is too stiff for a little more practicality and more comfort the nissan 300zx turbo is a good buy and for a good dose of luxury the lexus sc300 is perfect with a manual transmission of course however the toyota supra is coming out soon and if you like its looks the performance is supposed to be great almost race car like i dont particulary like the mitsubishi 3000gts or the dodge stealths as they are too heavy and arent very nimble handlers for a sports car a motion picture major at the brooks institute of photography ca santa barbara and a foreign student from kuala lumpur malaysia the mind is the forerunner of all states guns bennett banned bayonet i wrote a letter the other day to empower america the organization which claims to be championing conservative issues esp in the wake of the republican defeat last fall some might consider them just a an organization to create a network of support among conservatives for some individuals in prep for 96 run youd be close to the truth their two leading spokesmen are bill bennett former drug czar who heartily supported bushs semi auto import ban and wondered if it went far enough who helped put the big lie about sporting use into the publics eye and jack kemp who recently came out in support of semi auto bans these are conservatives anyway i thought it interesting that when i ran word perfects spell check against my letter it came up with the following corrections for bennett 1 banned 2 bayonet needless to say i found these choices rather amusing it collectivism vs individualism is an ancient conflict men have come close to the truth but it was destroyed each time and one civilization fell after another civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy the savages whole existence is public ruled by the laws of his tribe civilization is the process of setting man free from men ayn rand roarks speech from the fountainhead i dont speak for my company we hire the politically correct to do that cars manual shift bigots now my ego with regards to my shifting ability is as big as anyone elses but i just ordered my first car with an auto trans i wasnt planning on it but after driving a few i was convinced things have changed since the days of slip n slide withe powerglide they shift better than i do theres no clutch to wear out honda wanted 800 for my 4wd wagon last year got it done for 500 it only costs about 5 in gas milage on the highway and it makes it easier to concentrate on all the radios in my car oddly enough while two of my best friends both in the auto industry here in the motor city have switched wholeheartedly to autos their wives insist on manual shift envy braggadocio aside given todays technology and the warranties theyre handing out the auto trans seemed like an excellent choice call me a convert mike cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time seningen maserati ross com mike seningen 85 mph speedos esp the electronic ones the digital dash of the 87 cougars with the large analog clock in the middle of the dash everything was digital except the stinking clock the funny thing about the digital dash 87 t bird with the 85mph speedo limit was that if you pressed the button to convert to kilometers it would read all the way up to 187kph at this point the stock anemic 302 would get short of breath this of course was equivalent to about 116mph hehe i bet i really coulda confused this thing if id toyed with the engine and rolled the stupid thing the digits were limited to 199 ive gotta agree with ya on the analog clock w digital dash though my girlfriend had a 85 turbocoupe with a digital clock and analog gauges radio go figure usenet constellation ecn uoknor edu usenet administrator i love the keyless entry on my t bird its great for those times that i had to stop to put air in my tires i could get out and lock the door with the engine running while i ran around to air up the tire it also i had a great feature on my t bird i could pull the key out and leave the ignition on this scared the hell out of me the first time it happened but i kinda grew to like it musta been a bad key copy or something mark novakovic there is no god up in the sky tonight no sign of heaven anywhere in sight nin jesus loves ya blow me in tribute to my former area supervisor jim bonneau and the infamous bonneau math demoted not departed ministry windows re mac disks in windows youre right you cannot read or write a mac or apple ii 800k 3 5 disk or apple ii 5 25 disk without extra hardware however mac 1 44mb disks can be read and written in a pc 3 5 hd drive with software only this should probably be added to every pc and mac faq file it sure gets asked enough i agree that this should be added to some sort of faq list but we have strayed from the original topic our computer environment is pretty split between macs and pcs i am lucky and get to have both on my desk but there are people who have pcs and need to share data with the mac users here the mac users have no problems because of package called dos mounter which automatically lets the mac read dos disks natively for the pc there is no equivilant that i know of both mac ette and macsee have been inconsistant under the dos platform and requires you to perform the activity in a dos program to selectively transport the files the question originally posed was if there is such a program that hooks into windows like a dll that will interpret the reading of a mac disk when it is in a pc and allow access to it through the standard file dialogs it is quite clear that this would only be available for the 1 44mb flopies t j fiske tfiske qualcomm com guns re newspapers censoring gun advertisements newspaper ad censorship the newspapers have now decided to censor gun ads which is why you no longer see the ads that traders san leandro has run for many years if you are tired of newspapers who run sex and liquor ads galor yet refuse to run legitimate gun ads please send a letter to the editors indicating your displeasure over their censorship doctrine following is a list of bay area newspapers who censor gun ads perhaps youd like to send them your thoughts on this issue contra costa times san mateo times san francisco chronicle pob 5088 pob 5400 901 mission st walnut creek ca 94596 san mateo ca 94402 san francisco ca 94103 san fran independent san fran examiner san jose mercury news 1201 evans ave 110 5th st 750 ridder park dr san fran ca 94124 san fran ca 94103 san jose ca 95190 i have the april 15 1993 issue of the sf chronicle in my lap page e7 in the sporting green section has a traders advert the copy is a bit screwed up it says that the prices offered expire 4 14 93 but the ad is there the sf examiner and chronicle run the same set of adverts because they have a joint printing biz agreement and differ only in editorial content ive seen gun ads recently in the merc which is anti gun editorially albeit not from traders but from its competitors i dont know about the other papers does traders claim that things are changing when why tv journalists lie because its easier than telling the truth and no one much cares either way let me know if you write to any of these bozos before you do make sure that the bozos are actually doing what youre accusing them of andy windows wfworkgroups server goes deaf has anyone else observed this behaviour and if so what have you done to cure it one workstation in a wfw network goes deaf to any form of communication from other workstations until it goes out on the network itself from then on other workstatons can interact with it until some time later when it goes deaf again the workstation is set up to share its discs etc the machine is a 486dx 33 8mb ram with diamond stealth video it behaves this way with a variety of 16 bit network adapters including a smc elite it also behaves the same way if i use the windows vga driver rather than the diamond drivers baseball re dodgers take 2 straight from pirates in article 1qqob2innqev mizar usc edu pcaster mizar usc edu dodger writes davis and strawberry attributed their turn arounds to reggie smith the dodger batting coach who flew in from florida three days ago and gave them a pep talk and some instruction davis was 4 5 yesterday and had a couple more hits today strawberry had two hits yesterday and i believe he had two more today with two home runs foolish me and here i thought it had something to do with the fact that they were hitting against wakefield who had no kncukle to his ball that day and otto who has no stuff i wonder if reggie gave the same pep talk and instruction to the rest of the lineup who also suddenly came alive those two games the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com baseball re professional sports on fm radio in article c5y9wt gpw news udel edu philly ravel udel edu robert c hite writes in article 1993apr23 123208 1 tesla njit edu slutsky tesla njit edu writes i am curious to known if there are any professional sports teams whose games are regularly broadcast on an fm station the only one i am aware of is wysp in philadelphia who carries the eagles games if you respond to me i will summarize for the list wip is the real home of the eagles merril reese and the birds on fm radio what a joke at least we can hear the joke more than 100 yards outside city limits now will wip ever strngthen their signal ken guns re clinton wants national id card aka ussr style internal passport johnston cyberia win net robert johnston writes how bout we embed the card in the forhead of everyones skull cant lose it without being already dead ergo no need for treatment close at birth we implant a smart chip just behind the ear under the skin but above the skull we incase it in a hypo allergenic high carbon content glass this chip would be reprogrammed as we age with the pertinent medical correctional taxational data behave yourself or well input it into your permenant record you forgot the part about encasing it in a small shaped charge so that if anyone tries to tamper with it it explodes and kills you oh and the shaped charge can be set off by remote control but only if you get out of line properly patriotic citizens have nothing to fear tom swiss tms cs umd edu born to die keep your laws off my brain whats so funny bout peace love and understanding nick lowe this sig contains no animal products and was not tested on animals congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances the constitution of the united states of america windows re 2 atm rnichols cbnewsg cb att com robert k nichols writes 1 truetype font files are at least 1 3 larger than their type 1 equivalents if you are using a disk compressor though be aware that truetype fonts will compress whereas type 1 fonts will not they are encrypted this isnt entirely true it is true that truetype fonts are larger than their atm counterparts but atm fonts do get minimal compression running stacker 3 0 report generator i get file type compression ratio ttf truetype 1 4 1 0 pfb atm 1 1 1 0 pfm atm metric 11 8 1 0 although the metric files are small they compress quite largely and as you can see even the regular pfb files have some compression so doing the math on one such comparitive font file ttf times 83260 bytes 1 4 59471 bytes compressed pfb times 51549 bytes 1 1 46862 bytes compressed you still win out even if the atm times font isnt compressed your mileage may vary depending on compression program when heroes go down they go down fast john m grohol m s so dont expect any time to center for psychological studies equivocate the past nova univ ft lauderdale fl suzanne vega grohol novavax nova edu baseball re jewish baseball players ma ind25 blurt oswego edu wrote i believe that rusty staub was also a jewish ball player also mordaci brown back in the early 20th century he was a pitcher whose nickname was 3 fingers brown for obvious reasons he had 3 fingers 0 for 2 ma ind25 daniel patrick staub is a catholic school kid from nawlins mordecai brown a farm kid probably protestant from somewhere in the midwest he lost those fingers in a farm machinery accident jim palmer isnt jewish himself but mr jockey shortss adoptive parents are also im not absolutely certain that carew actually converted his wife and children certainly are jewish neal traven pitt edu youre only young once but you can be traven vms cis pitt edu immature forever larry andersen cars re chrysler new yorker lhs was re chryslers compact lh sedans warren brown the washington posts auto writer was the first journalist to get his hands on the new yorker if youd like his impressions of it his review appeared in fridays paper in the weekend section he is not your traditional auto writer enjoy windows re re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 1slalp ls2 tamsun tamu edu jeffw cs tamu edu jeffrey a waller writes in article 1993may10 053122 13593 microsoft com jenk microsoft com jen kilmer writes in article c6rq6b f3v uceng uc edu bferrell ant occ uc edu brett ferrell writes in article 1993may07 201242 1449 microsoft com cliffga microsoft com clifford garrett writes i guess thats why there are so many new dos and os 2 applications coming and hardly any windows apps coming out irony yep the os 2 apps are comming the os 2 apps are comming yet another micro minion hoping that if he says something long enough hey i remember the good old days running os 2 2 0 alpha with brief excel word and a couple internal apps product support database client os 2 based email front end life was good but it was also impractical cause the masses were using windows and my job was to help the masses apparently you prefer os 2 to windows or at least did to windows 3 0 yes by you last comment do you mean that your knowledge of os 2 is dated it must be or argue its definitely dated i used os 2 1 21 alpha 2 0 when msft was developing it i suspect that the masses were using windows because they couldnt afford to use os 2 can you say as much for nt i preferred windows 3 1 because it was more stable faster than 3 0 but could still run more apps than os 2 again i made this choice before 2 0 was released but getting back to the original question do you have any data on the relative avaliablity or windows applications versus os 2 applications or any evidence that stated support will be dropped by any of the above no ive seen no such data grow up other companies are supporting os 2 make points please if you see life in terms of debating points i think you need to grow up ah yes i remember the days when we kids would engage in orderly debate but our parents would usually find out and force us to act in the more mature manner of heaping invective and casting rocks and dirt clods hee hee good one it doesnt help microsoft to have employees i assume you are due to the org may be wrong saying such trivial things on the net so microsoft employs over 10 000 employees walking into this place is not like walking into the 1984 commercial there are individuals here you think theyll all talk the same way say the same thing and help microsoft all the time if so why it appears to me that he is voicing his frustration to an attitude he has encountered before and one that ive encountered as well i on the other hand have had no such experience other than from reading this thread you at microsoft are in a unique position to present facts hmm are you sure im speaking from my own experience as an os 2 user certainly people in say the nt marketing group would be in a unique position to present the results of say research on upcoming nt and os 2 apps vs windows and ms dos apps part of my point was that just cause one works at microsoft does not mean one has access to such data if it exists but prefer to make baseless claims or attack to poster i must make the same conclusion as he i will confess to at times attacking the poster usenet accounts are not restricted to the marketroids theyre open to any fulltimer and are primarily for recreational purposes yeah some of us are likely to answer a question or hop into a debate or make stupid comments you know like human beings im sorry this newsgroup is only for opressed hackers and stranded extraterrestrials not humans how about alt microsoft humans you seem to discount others anyway again my point was that not all microsofties are here to sell readers on our products which would conflict with the no ads philosophy of usenet nor do we necessarily have access to info that others have i also get tired of people assuming that microsofties are like members of the borg jen include stdisclaimer jenk microsoft com msdos testing religion re new religion forming sign up refrettably you are mistaken alt drugs was used to recruit people for the worldwide pot religion i however hve no problem being in both of them death to dupont free bobby fischer michele cayley is my mom sue me not her johan engevik drunken naked genius at large baseball box scores i was wondering if anyone types in the box scores each day i am at college and am not able to get them till the weekend i would be thankful if someone could p mail the twins box scores every so often also i am looking for a twins 93 schedule kesslerm columbia dsu edu baseball re bob knepper was not right in article 1993apr19 150800 1608 news stolaf edu eblom mari acc admin stolaf edu the woodman writes in article 1993apr19 035406 11473 news yale edu austin jacobs writes dont you guys think so i mean cmon what the heck are women doing even thinking of getting into baseball oh i dont know maybe because they love the game they cause so many problems just look at lisa olson remember that feisty reporter that entered the new england patriots locker room she started crying like a little girl so people deal with unfair treatment differently i suppose you would have more respect if she punched out some people like a stereotypical macho man would have done i just dont think women belong in a mans sport before you smart guys flame me for this i know the given example was about football who cares it still applies to other male sports male sports are only that way because they wont let women be involved there is no divine providence segregating sports it is the decision of the men who run it men almost as liberal thinking as you how can we have women umpires ummm by insisting they pass an accredited umpire course then hiring them jeez look at pam postema just because shes a woman everybody on the face of the earth thinks its great that shes getting an opportunity to ump if you even watched the games and had an iq greater than that of roast beef youd see that she is not nearly as good as most aaa umpires besides she is probably more worried about cracking a fingernail with a foul tip off of wade boggs bat or jose oquendos bat listen mr status quo i know pam postema ive seen her work she is without question the toughest person ive ever met she doesnt give a damn about her fingernails but does care about working the game shes not there to find a man to take care of her but to do the best job any umpire can do your bullshit comments are obviously tailored to show off the red on you neck not your grasp on society theres nothing wrong with a red neck why some of us hicks even listen to cultured music and such can you say the same aside from that you shouldnt try to shit on this guy by insulting where you think he comes from where im from we milk cows drive trucks and yes even like baseball so screw anyone that doesnt like it oh yeah learn the difference between to and too city boy see below thom unnumbered wanna be member of the bob knepper fan club bkfc either way there are too many complications nobody said life was easy pam is aware of that to bad that she has to be judged by people like you who cant look past anatomy qaustin jacobs bob knepper fan club member 12 were you ever an organized baseball owner or in the political system before women could vote you seem to feel threatened ttfn woody no smileys here either none medicine re foreskin troubles in article 1993apr18 042100 2720 radford vak12ed edu mmatusev radford vak12ed edu melissa n matusevich writes what can be done short of circumcision for an adult male whose foreskin will not retract melissa there is a simpler procedure called a dorsal slit that is really the first step of the usual circumcision it is simpler and quicker but the pain is about the same as circumcision after the anesthetic wears off and the aesthetic result post healing is not as good see your friendly urologist for more details len howard medicine broken rib hello i am not sure if this is the right conference to ask this question however here i go i am a commercial fisherman and i fell about 3 weeks ago down into the hold of the boat and broke or cracked a rib and wrenched and bruised my back and left arm my question i have been to a doctor and was told that it was best to do nothing and it would heal up with no long term effect and indeed i am about 60 better however the work i do is very hard and i am still not able to go back to work the thing that worries me is the movement or clunking i feel and hear back there when i move certain ways i heard some one talking about the rib they broke years ago and that it still bothers them any opinions thanx and cheers jc oneb almanac bc ca john cross the old frogs almanac home of the almanac unix users group 604 245 3205 v32 public access usenet 604 245 4366 2400x4 vancouver island british columbia waffle xenix 1 64 cars bimmer vs beamer although not in direct response to the referenced article just to set the record straight beamers are bmw motorcycles bmw cars are bimmers please lets get our terms straight actually some purists would argue that the only true bimmer is a round tail light 2002 or 1600 mark medicine re seizures infantile spasms in article 1993apr20 184034 13779 dbased nuo dec com dufault lftfld enet dec com md writes if anyone knows of any database or newsgroup or as i mentioned up above any information relating to this disorder i would sure appreciate hearing from you i am not trying to play doctor here but only trying to gather information about it as i know now these particular types of disorders are still not really well understood by the medical community and so im going to see now if somehow the internet can at least give me alittle insight thanks there is no database for infantile spasms nor a newsgroup that i know of the medical library will be the best source of information for you gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows re challenge to microsoft supporters bjgrier bnr ca brian grier writes this has gone on too long people get a life if you havent converted anyone to your way of thinking yet you probably will not convert anyone just let this subject die a quiet though painfull death if this keeps up ill start believing the self righteousness should be capital offense youll have to kill off half the net maybe that isnt such a bad idea pete gontier ec technology gurgle netcom com baseball grateful dead being a baseball fan and a fan of the above mentioned band i was wondering if anyone could clue me in on whether the dead or members of sang the national anthem at todays giant opener i would imagine that it is a bit too early for anyone to know but an answer would be greatly appreciated curious robert robert margesson umaine hockey 156 park st c5 black bears orono me 04473 1993 ncaa champs 207 866 7342 42 1 2 windows ms test help question is there a newsgroup for it hi i would like to know if there is a seperate newgroup for discussion of ms test or quality assurance issues or if not what newsgroup would be the appropriate one to use does compuserve or microsoft themselves have a bbs people can call for help on such thanks please email response to djw wang com d helmet rules whats up doc djw wang com i have a plan now and a clue windows re drivers for stealth 24 debrown hubcap clemson edu david e brown writes doug ward writes i recently purchased a diamond stealth 24 video card and received the wrong drivers does anyone know where i can ftp the proper drivers the dstlth file at cica does not work with this video card please respond to doug sun sws uiuc edu thank you doug ward if you want to get them and get them now also the most up to date use the bbs at 1 408 439 9096 they may take an hour to download so do it when rates are low yeah i know it costs but locking up your system gets old quick maybe someone has them on the net ive got the stealth drivers david the number you gave is the borland bbs and darned if i can find any stealth drivers there diamonds bbs is 1 408 730 1100 according to the manual i got with my stealth 24 i have had a bunch of trouble using the right drivers that came with the card locking up de syncing etc so i hope you do better than i do dave cars re warning please read in article 19apr199316162857 erich triumf ca music erich triumf ca fred w bach writes xref taco alt parents teens 1937 rec autos 101669 path taco gatech howland reston ans net zaphod mps ohio state edu saimiri primate wisc edu caen destroyer cs ubc ca unixg ubc ca erich triumf ca music from music erich triumf ca fred w bach newsgroups alt parents teens rec autos subject re warning please read date 19 apr 1993 16 16 pst organization triumf tri university meson facility lines 52 distribution world message id 19apr199316162857 erich triumf ca references c5joit e31 bcstec ca boeing com 18apr199309481599 erich triumf ca 1qs4a9 f87 bigboote wpi edu c5r1iy 8v0 ssd intel com nntp posting host erich triumf ca summary violent teenagers and victims need help keywords brick rock danger gun violent teenagers news software vax vms vnews 1 41 in article c5r1iy 8v0 ssd intel com jrowell ssd intel com janet rowell writes could we plase cease this discussion i fail to see why people feel the need to expound upon this issue for days and days on end these areas are not meant for this type of discussion if you feel the need to do such things please take your thought elsewhere thanks i just want to second this request i value this net group as one where people focus on solving problems and go out of their way to be respectful of differences the hostility expressed in the original posting feels like an assault thanks jan exactly my point there is a lot of hostility to and from teenagers look i sent these posts here to alt parents teens with a copy to rec autos since you people in this group may have the best advice for and experience with troubled teenagers if you follow the news for the northwest usa you will have heard that a group of 20 year old boys barely out of the teens certainly their outlook was developed during their teens just shot and killed an innocent little girl riding in a car in the seattle area when her mother who was driving honked her horn at the car with the boys in it this is really upsetting and makes my stomach turn as it would any parents doesnt your heart just go out to that poor mother yes fred my heart and prayers go out to the mother and others who have been victims of these and other senseless crimes you folks in this group have a responsibility to offer any good advice that you may have i suspect lots of people all over the world will read and appreciate your comments however i feel that you have missed the point of the previous postings see top your statement of responsibility is felt as an attack towards the members of this group you are attempting to make the members of this group be required to answer the only people who should make a statement are people who have experienced the problem and found a workable solution teenagers both drive cars and are involved in automotive vandalism and crime maybe someone on this newsgroup has had specific experience in dealing with violent teenage offenders like these kids are at the same time maybe you would have some good advice for those hostile people who sense that are now the potential victims maybe you would have some good advice for them on how not to pay back and or not make the situation worse maybe you have some good advice for local authorities or schools where this problem is prevalent but then again maybe youre not interested many people are interested but have no input i will restate that your last sentence here is seen as an attack on the members of this group if people have input they will give it if they do not you should not make them feel compelled sp to respond if you wish to continue this conversation please send e mail do not repost or attempt to bait me i will not make another post and may i make the same a suggestion to other group members on this matter thanks in advance for your help if we get any btw your welcome jerry l storrs system network manager why do you look for the living dept of chemical engineering ncsu among the dead he is not here storrs che ncsu edu preferred he is risen storrs eos ncsu edu luke 24 5 6 the lord is risen indeed any statement made is the explicit belief of the writer and not the employer baseball re sandberg runs rbis was re notes on jays vs indians series in article c5jqby m7a news rich bnr ca bratt crchh7a9 nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes in article c5jm0m 6jw cs dal ca niguma ug cs dal ca gord niguma writes alomar fans left rbi fans and runs off this list because they are dependant on the team to a large extent if frank thomas hit first hed lose a lot of rbis and anyways how many 2nd place hitters have you known to drive in 100 runs doesnt happen that often very unlikely with devon whites 300 obp in front of you im pretty sure that sandberg has done this at least once i know someone will correct me if im wrong rbis and runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics you can talk about obp and slg all you want but the fact remains the team that scores more runs wins the game right so who cares which player gets credited as long as the team gets more runs if a player helps the team get more r and rbi but doesnt score them all himself who cares consider player a single player b grounder to short reaches on the force at 2nd player c double b to 3rd player d sac fly b gets a run d gets an rbi are you sure they helped the team more than a and c think hard now flame away as you wish roger guns re ban all firearms in article 1993apr14 184448 2331 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes firearms tend to fall into this low dollar pound area why either the numerator or the denominator could fluctuate the dollar value of a gun would of course go up if supply were restricted the weight of a gun might go down significantly as technology improved i dont think you have a basis to assert this it would not be economic to smuggle them in all production would have to be local there are not all that many people who have both the skill and motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch the skill is easily taught to anyone with a modicum of mechanical aptitude and the only motivator needed is money if guns were banned then this motivator would kick in big time now of course it is not a moneymaking proposition for every machine shop to make guns on the side when it aint rebuilding engines ban guns and watch what happens youll have to schedule a year in advance to get your brakes resurfaced medicine re high prolactin in article 93088 112203jer4 psuvm psu edu jer4 psuvm psu edu john e rodway writes any comments on the use of the drug parlodel for high prolactin in the blood it can suppress secretion of prolactin is useful in cases of galactorrhea some adenomas of the pituitary secret too much gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon baseball trivia question ok all you trivia buffs i have a good one for you 1 prior to the foul bunt rule what is the record for the most foul balls by 1 batter during one at bat 2 total pitches 3 who was the batter 4 who was the pitcher 5 same as 1 4 except after the foul bunt rule associated data would be nice too such as date location teams etc bill wrl pmafire inel gov guns re the dayton gun buy back re boston gun buy back in article c5uchu ffn cbnews cb att com lvc cbnews cb att com larry cipriani writes according to wnci 97 9 fm radio this morning dayton ohio is operating a gun buy back they are giving 50 for every functional gun turned in they ran out of money in one day and are now passing out 50 vouchers of some sort they are looking for more funds to keep operating another media event brought to you by hci is there something similar pro gun people can do for example pay 100 to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm sounds a bit tacky but hey whatever works ack what a public relations nightmare just begging happen gun lobby pays vigilanties nra to shell out dough to gunfighters david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al medicine re what are the problems with nutrasweet aspartame phenylketonuria is a disease in which the body cannot process phenylalanine it can build up in the blood and cause seizures and neurological damage an odd side effect is that the urine can be deeply colored like red wine people with the condition must avoid nutrasweet chocolate and anything else rich in phenylalanine aspartame is accused of having caused various vague neurological symptoms pat robertsons program the 700 club was beating the drum against aspartame rather vigorously for about a year but that issue seems to have been pushed to the back burner for the last year or so apparently the evidence is not very strong or pat would still be flailing away cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes i am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines v4 i dont know of any v6 legend mr3 mr6 v8 dont know of any v12 jaguar xjs please add to the list thanks s ssave ole cdac com the viper isnt an inline 10 or flat 10 is it im pretty sure its a v 10 also the cizeta is a v 16 but it may not yet be more than a dream chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area medicine re how to diagnose lyme really in article 19688 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article 1993apr12 201056 20753 ns1 cc lehigh edu mcg2 ns1 cc lehigh edu marc gabriel writes now im not saying that culturing is the best way to diagnose its very hard to culture bb in most cases the point is that dr n has developed a feel for what is and what isnt ld this comes from years of experience no serology can match that unfortunately some would call dr n a quack and accuse him of trying to make a quick buck why do you think he would be called a quack the quacks dont do cultures they poo poo doing more lab tests this is lyme believe me ive seen it many times the lab tests arent accurate well treat it now also is dr ns practice almost exclusively devoted to treating lyme patients i dont know any orthopedic surgeons who fit this pattern they are usually gps are you arguing that the lyme lab test is accurate the books that ive read say that in general the tests have a 50 50 chance of being correct the tests result in a large number of both false positives and false negatives i am in the latter case we could get those same odds by rolling the dice ralph yozzo yozzo watson ibm com from the beautiful and historic new york state mid hudson valley religion identity crisis god satan ii samuel 24 and again the anger of the lord was kindled against israel and he moved david against them to say go number isreal and judah i chronicles 21 and satan stood up against isreal and provoked david to number israel windows re using microsoft foundation classes with borland c 3 1 in article 1qv1rc fcp news cs tu berlin de make cs tu berlin de m kerkhoff writes hi all has anybody tried to compile ctrltest from the mfc samples directory after compiling the mfc libs with bwc seems to me that bwc isnt able to distinguish pointers to overloaded functions for example imagine the following 2 overloaded functions void same name void void same name int after trying the whole day i think with bwc its impossible to take the adress of one of the above two functions and assign it to a properly defined function pointer am i right has anybody else had this problem thanx i think you may be chasing the wrong problem i dont think it is the function overloading at all i do that sort of thing all of the time in bc without a hitch the big problems i have encountered in porting mfc to bc is that fact that mfc depends on a couple of invalid c assumptions i have never gotten the entire ctrltest app to run under bc but the reason is that ms makes some bad assumptions about the order in which static global objects are initialized i e some objects are getting accessed before they are initialized the problem is in the owner draw menu code somewhere if you comment out that section all other pieces of ctrltest work fine two other major gotchas i have found using mfc under bc the cfile openflags enum uses hard coded numbers for the open mode rather than the manifest constants defined in fcntrl h which differ between msc and bc all of the mfc collection classes depend on another bad c assumption that a reference to a base object can used be in place of a reference to a derived object true for pointers not for references i am sure there are other problems along the same lines but i have not encountered them yet i have not seen mfc 2 0 yet but i hope that some of these will be addressed if they are not all of mss hype about portability to other vendors compilers will be just that if these were my employers opinions i wouldnt be posting them whoever said nothing lasts forever was obviously r brendler not a cubs fan mike royko spss inc chicago il cars re do trains busses have radar in article 1993apr15 111910 1 bronco fnal gov colombo bronco fnal gov rick open vms 4ever colombo writes i dont know about trains but ive saw a sign on the back of a greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off it doesnt explain why but it does set off my radar detector because greyhound has apparently gotten around to installing their radar collision prevention system they use radar to monitor how close other vehicles are and how fast their relative speeds are and signals a warning to the driver if theyre coming up on something too fast or are getting too close this is all i remember from the news reports a few months back at the time they were only talking about the possibility of installing the system they didnt mention how it worked in bumper to bumper traffic or how it discriminated between a camaro approaching at 120mph and ye olde bridge support in the median being approached at 60mph on a curve i do recall something about progressive stages of warnings from flashing lights to audible warnings ie it goes from a red too close light to hysterically screaming were all going to die james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven cars re instead of a saturn sc2 what for those that are interested i got my fully optioned air abs sunroof 92 se r in september 1991 for 13 555 in sacramento ca it was one of the 1st 92s sold few of the dealers had any no local dealer had an abs equipped se r i went straight to the fleet manager at the dealership i liked told him what i wanted made him aware that i knew what his price should be he called me back with exactly what i wanted from a dealer 125mi away i took delivery the next day medicine re chronic sinus and antibiotics in article 1qk708inna12 mojo eng umd edu georgec eng umd edu george b clark writes you can also swab the inside of your nose with bacitracin using a q tip bacitracin is an antibiotic that can be bought otc as an ointment in a tube the doctor i listen to on the radio says to apply it for 30 days while you are taking other antibiotics by mouth i have a new doctor who gave me a prescription today for something called septra ds he said it may cause gi problems and i have a sensitive stomach to begin with anybody ever taken this antibiotic any good suggestions for avoiding an upset stomach other tips phil de haan dod 0578 why yes that is my 1974 honda cl360 thats the nature of being an executive in america you have to rely on other people to do something you used to do yourself donald fehr executive director major league baseball players association medicine re help for kidney stones michael covington mcovingt aisun4 ai uga edu wrote in article c697ij iua srgenprp sr hp com jeffs sr hp com jeff silva writes pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu wrote move a little the pain will be excrutiating i was told by my doctor at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth yes by a male doctor so im sure some of you women will disagree id really like to know the truth in this so maybe some of you women who have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in one more reason for men to learn the lamaze breathing techniques in order to be able to get some pain reduction instantly wherever you are michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi it would have been pretty difficult to practice my hee hees while i was keeled over pukeing my guts out though jeff silva jeffs sr hp com baseball re you could look it up in article 1993apr21 173432 28160 alchemy chem utoronto ca mark b writes yes i could look it up but i prefer to post this question to the net i read somewhere in a long forgotten article that the handsignals used by major league umps were originally used to help a deaf ball player by the name of dummy urban myth true i gots ta know true william dummy hoy was baseballs first deaf player he played in the bigs from 1888 through 1903 for several teams including the white sox and reds brian curran mead data central brian meaddata com ive never had a coach in my life when i find one who can beat me then ill listen lee trevino professional golfer windows bitmap re what does the bmp format mean pardonon mi ofte konfuzigxas pri mola kaj malmola do mol vara i was confused between soft and hard as in software gxong cxjijaux religion re food for thought on tyre in article 1qh4m5inn2pu ctron news ctron com king ctron com john e king wrote not exactly the prophesy clearly implies that people would still be living in the area but by the same token it would never be rebuilt obviously if people are still there they would live in houses correct their nets implies a fishing village this is exactly what it has become a far cry from its original position of stature lets see if alexander destroyed tyre and people move back and they construct houses and after a while 14000 people live there and still call it tyre it is not considered to be rebuilt instead its considered to be just some people that got together for fishing and they needed houses place so far ive seen stated figurers ranging from 15 000 to 22 000 lets assume the latter one is correct by modern standards we are talking about a one horse town sigh i was never born in a city then my home town has 10 000 people i have to consult my city and inform them that its from now a fishing village when this city kristinestad was founded in the 17 th century about 1000 people lived there so the norms were even more bizarre for dumb swedish queens who founded cities along the coast of finland i would like to know why paul thought is was worth mentioning the small fishing place of tyre in acts again maybe he was a keen fisherman and wanted to visit the shores of tyre cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net medicine re mind machines in article c5snww 5ga tripos com homer tripos com webster homer writes i recently learned about these devices that supposedly induce specific brain wave frequencies in their users simply by wearing them the principle underlying these devices is a well establish principle in psychology called entrainment whereby external sensory stimuli influence gross electrical patterns of brain function they are experimental in that people experiment with them and they are not widely if at all used in medicine for therapeutic purposes given the exception of tens and similar units used for external electrical stimulation usually for pain relief not really a light and sound machine they are not experimental in the sense of a specific medical category to that effect as with experimental drugs as the fda does not specifically regulate medical devices in the way it does pharmaceuticals i would think that if they work as reported they would be incredibly useful there are few reliable studies of therapeutic or enhancement effects for mind machines other than those relaxation related effects found with meditation or self hypnosis as well reported benefits are mostly anecdotal and subjective so far so its hard to generalize about their potential value a pretty good general non technical introduction to a wide variety of these devices may be found in would the buddha wear a walkman some interesting background material names of suppliers and capsule reviews of specific equipment do these mind machines aka light and sound machines work can they induce alpha theta and or delta waves in a person wearing them what research if any has been done on them could they be used in lieu of a tranquilizer or are they just another bit of quackery a more important question might be whether they have enough additional value to be worth investing in biofeedback was found to be a legitimate and reliable effect experimentally under certain conditions in that it demonstrated that we can influence physiological processes previously considered purely autonomic but never panned out as a particularly valuable therapeutic tool because of the skill level required and the subtlety and temporary nature of the effects in most cases maybe someone else has more there used to be a whole mailing list devoted to mind machines somewhere on the net web homer homer tripos com kind regards todd todd i stark stark dwovax enet dec com digital equipment corporation 215 354 1273 philadelphia pa usa a word is the skin of a living thought olliver wendell holmes jr medicine re krillean photography in article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alex vuse vanderbilt edu alexander p zijdenbos writes flame on especially the usa should be grateful after all columbus did not drop off the edge of the earth with counterflame enabled columbus was indeed a crank but not in the manner you think the fact that the world was round was well known when he set sail it was also well known that the circumference was about 25k miles and that you could not reach asia bo going west with current technology you would neither be able to carry enough supplies nor get a long enough stretch of good sailing weather nobody thought he would fall off the edge of the world instead they expected him to die at sea columbus thought for no good reason that the circumference was only 16k miles making the trip practical unfortunately for columbus and his shipmates the earths circumference is indeed 25k miles fortunately for columbus and his shipmates there was a stopping place right about where asia would have been had the circumference been 16k miles my source is the recent pbs series on columbus flame off or end sermon alex guns re batf initiating violence sources in article 1r49aj 98c hpchase rose hp com k hprnd rose hp com steve kao writes ive long since lost any newspaper or magazine article that mentions how the batf said they tossed a grenade instead of knocked on the door to serve the search warrant on the bd compound does anyone have any references im just looking for periodicals newspapers and dates a copy of the article is not needed but i wouldnt mind seeing it posting here or e mail is fine the associated press had an article on monday march 1 i believe which quoted witnesses as describing batf agents throwing grenades prior to any gunfire on the part of the davidians it was among the first of a crop of different mutually exclusive descriptions david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1qkdpk 5k6 agate berkeley edu mossman cea berkeley edu amy mossman writes i had a similar reaction to chinese food but came to a completly different conclusion ive eaten chinese food for ages and never had problems i went with some chinese malaysian friends to a swanky chinses rest and they ordered lots of stuff i had never seen before the only thing i can remember of that meal was the first course scallops served in the shell with a soy type sauce i thought well ive only had scallops once and i was sick after but that could have been a coincidence that night as i sat on the bathroom floor sweating and emptying my stomach the hard way i decided i would never touch another scallop i may not be allergic but i dont want to take the chance i dont react to scallops but did have discomforts with clam juice served at american waterfront seafood bars i dont know whether the juice is homemade or from cans the following is my first encounter with the chinese restaurant syndrome ten years ago about an hour after having won ton soup i collapsed in a chair with my face feeling puffed up my scalp tingling my feet too weak to stand up the symptoms lasted for about 20 minutes determined to find out the cause of my first reaction i went back to the chinese restuarant and ordered the same dish the same thing happened a quick look inside the kitchen revealed nothing out of the ordinary ive also had a mild attack after having soup at a thai restuarant guns re another nytimes yellow sheet editorial 4 4 93 in article 1pmol6innod9 gap caltech edu arc cco caltech edu aaron ray clements writes thanks to the n r a the a t f is prohibited from researching the effectiveness of using taggants in explosives taggants are a cheap and technologically feasible microscopic additive that would help investigators at crime scenes like the world trade center bombing trace the explosives involved i want this man to tell me how in the hell you can take the explosives used in the wtc bombing considering that the consensus seems to be that the explosive was a fertilizer based one proper counter to this claim forensic analysis of the wtc bomb by means of taggants would have been as impossible as semantic analysis of nyt editorials by means of taggants the difficulty in both cases being to have persuaded the bull to consume the taggants before production of either item cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet guns re ammo in a fire was re waco burning in article c5xbwr 5b8 world std com htf world std com harry carter writes sunshine cco caltech edu tom renner writes v111qheg ubvmsb cc buffalo edu p vasilion writes can you imagine what happens when a magazine explodes bullets go flying every where imho these gunshot wounds were actually caused when the magazines went up a minor technical point unless a cartridge is contained for example in the chamber of a gun when it goes off very little of interest happens quoting hatchers notebook the sporting arms and ammunition manufactures institute reported a demonstration made by taking a large quantity of metallic cartridges and shotgun shells and burning them in a fire of oil soaked wood the cartridges and shells exploded from time to time but there was no general explosion or throwing off of bullets or shot to any distance throughout the test the men conducting it remained within 20 ft of the fire without being injured in any way the material of which the cartridge and shells are composed will usually not fly more than a few feet in tests conducted by the national rifle association both rifle and pistol cartridges were exploded by heat under an ordinary corrugated pasteboard carton and neither fragments of the cartridge cases nor bullets penetrated the cardboard any scientists care to try this out in their kitchen here goes more than a few years back if you were born that year you can legally drink we tried it out we found an 8 ft deep cistern that we lined with some 10 ft 2x6s we put a large can one of those industrial sized porkn beans cans stuffed with oily rags and scraps of wood in the bottom after lighting the fire we lowered a box of 38 spc swcs into the can we heard pops one solid bang and several fizzzz shussss after we thought the excitment was over we boldly climbed down to find that none of the bullets had left the can several of the shells were lieing around the bottom of the well and the boards had all died of smoke inhalation and 5 or 6 of the shells still had live primers dillon pyron the opinions expressed are those of the ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated 214 462 3556 when im here 214 492 4656 when im home texans vote no on robin hood we need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions not gestures padi dm 54909 windows need iconized printer utility i am looking for a printer utility which stay in window 3 1 as an icon and let you drag a file to it to issue the printing windows re exit codes dos sorry for wrong group in article 1993apr19 170631 17598 seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes hey now first of all sorry to post this dos question in a windows group but im in kinda a hurry so i cant scramble to find the dos groups names anyway anyone know where i ccan find the exit codes to dos commands there are 3 alternatives 1 you can try to write a small c program something like int my int var my int var system command and display my int var value which is the exit code of the command 2 or use 4dos com instead of command com it has built in move command you can also get any program exist code by using the exec function of 4dos c echo exec command will display the exit code of the command 3 get dos 6 not worth buying if you already have qemm pctools norton and you only need the move utility the manual doesnt seem to have all of them im particularly looking for copy in order to make a move batch file such that if the file wasnt coppied properly it wont be deleted please email louray seas gwu edu thanks i a mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd agus budy wuysang digitech student monash university clayton melbourne australia medicine is this a total or partial scam theres a chiropractor who has a stand in the middle of a shopping mall offering free examinations part of the process involves a multiple jointed sensor arm and a computer that says in a computer sounding voice digitize left psis digitize right psis digitize c7 please stand with spine in neutral position im wondering whether this doesnt really measure anything and the computer voice is to impress the victims or whether it is measuring something that chiropractors think is useful to measure haynes cats ucsc edu haynes cats bitnet ya can talk all ya wanna but its difrent than it was no it aint but ya gotta know the territory meredith willson the music man cars marten problems hi everybody well i dont know if this is a known problem to you in the big state but over here in europe it is in some places it just happened to me and i payed a lot to get my new honda civic repaired a marten choose my car to stay one night in and this damn little animal damaged almost everything which was plastic rubber i never thought that these little could do that much damage so to all you car owners out there is there a good known method of gettin rid of this animal except for waiting all night long beneath my car with a gun help in any form would be appreciated very very much e mail scheer faw uni ulm de thanxxxx yall windows midi files on ms win3 1 and soundblaster 1 0 i have a 486dx 33 computer with a soundblaster 1 0 card im running microsoft windows v3 1 i have the sb driver set up properly to play normal sounds wav files etc i want to play midi files through the media player that is included with windows i know i have to set up the patch maps or something in the midi mapper in the control panel i know nothing about midi this is to be the way ill get my feet wet how do i set up windows so that i can play midi files david thomas dudek v098pwxs ubvms bitnet the cybard state university dudek sun acsu buffalo edu of new york if music be the food of love buffalo play on wm shakespeare cars re the 1994 mustang in article otnm3b1w165w cybernet cse fau edu vlasis cybernet cse fau edu vlasis theodore writes i can put a 32valve v 8 with twin garret 4s on yugo and get 7 7sec qm thats useless its still a yugo that will loose any race on a track or on the street a yugo that will go 1 4mi in 7 7 seconds will not lose on the street thats just too damn quick it might be wrapped around a telephone pole at the end of that quarter mile but it will be there alone have you detroit beings compared the ultra long throw stick shifts of the 5 0 with the 93 mr2 turbo or 93 rx7 i ll buy it in 6 mos or you could replace the stock shifter with a hurst short throw shifter available from ford motorsport or any number of other after market products to boost the performance of a mustang or camaro can you do that with a 93 rx 7 or verily with any mr 2 with the detroit aftermarket you can build a mustang or camaro which is superior to either car you mention for less than the sticker price of either or the torsen differential of the rx7 compared to the differential of the 5 0 that sounds in every hairpin turn well gee it works and it doesnt break it transmits power to the drive wheels and its essentially zero maintenance and theres an aftermarket in parts for ford and chevy rear ends too and bythe way 5 0 and camaro both have drums on the rear breaks hello this is the 90 s well the 93 mustang cobra which from all reports uses the same running gear as 94 mustang has 4 wheel disks i cant speak for the new camaro but i think it does too also stop and think about the markets here the mustang is and always has been a mass market sporty car thats where the pony car class came from with a performance model thats why it has the econo box running gear that was also factored into the design of the mustang from the day lee iacocca conceived his baby it was designed as a wide market car sporty yet accessible with room for performance tweaking the cars you listed are designed for a specific market niche and they both fit those niches very well the mustang at least does well in multiple markets i cant speak for the camaro james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven baseball mel hall has anyone heard anything about mel hall this season id heard he wasnt with the yankees any more what happened to him doug dolven doug dolven warped cs montana edu gdd7548 trex oscs montana edu baseball re jewish baseball players baseball players past and present we werent able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help john lowenstein is definately not jewish many in baltimore thought he was especially after he told the baltimore jewish times so but later he admitted that it was a joke medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr19 204855 10818 rtsg mot com lundby rtsg mot com walter f lundby writes as nobody in the food industry has even bothered to address my previous question why do you need to put msg in almost every food i must assume that my wifes answer is closer to the truth than i hoped it was i dont mean to be disrespectful to your concerns but it seems to me that youre getting all wound up in a non issue as many knowledgeable people have pointed out msg is a naturally occurring substance in a lot if not most foods when food manufacturers add it to a preparation they do so because its a known flavor enhancer your wifes theory that msg is added to food to stimulate appetite may well be true but i dont believe its always the reason its added people are largely for the most part in charge of their own appetites childrens and my parents seem to fixate on a particular brand of pet food the cat will eat any product within one brand and not any other brand i have wondered if this is not a case of preference but some sort of chemical training or addiction my questions for the net are does the fda regulate the contents of pet food is it allowed for pet food to contain addictive or conditioning substances is msg put in pet food you dont know much about cats do you cats will take advantage of you resign yourself you will never understand a cat their tastes are whimsical i also suspect though its been a while since ive checked ingredients on commercial cat food that there are much more stringent requirements on pet food additives than human see the fda has this stupid idea that human beings have the intelligence to look out after their own interests barbara wondering how her cat would take care of her windows stealth 24 video drivers i recently purchased a diamond stealth 24 video card and received the wrong drivers does anyone know where i can ftp the windows video drivers for the stealth 24 i tried the drivers at cica and they dont work the right drivers are on the diamond bbs but the file is almost 1 meg and it would take a while to download them at 2400 baud any information would be appreciated please contact me at doug sun sws uiuc edu thank you doug ward guns re guns in backcountry no thanks in article 1qkcok s9i usenet ins cwru edu ci946 cleveland freenet edu john k gever writes public health experts will tell you that you are far more likely have your gun stolen use it yourself on a family member or have it used on you than you are to use it on an actual criminal actually they wont what theyll tell you is that if you add up the number of suicides murders of one drug dealer by another legit self defenses of a battered spouse and so on youll end up with a number that is much larger than the number of self defense killings against strangers committed in the bedroom btw they didnt honestly count the latter either but lets not quibble they try to claim that comparison is between the costs of self defense and the benefits but theyre wrong this comparison doesnt measure the costs of self defense and it doesnt measure the benefits either for example the goal is not to kill the attacker whatever your relationship to him but to stop him while the number of killings may be proportional to the number of stops it isnt equal anyone who confuses that comparison with an honest evaluation is either lying or andy baseball scoring runs was re notes on jays vs indians series in article 8966 blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu david m tate writes uh right you also forgot that you cant get an rbi barring a hr with nobody on base what fraction of all runs come on solo hr actually for the padres this year so far its 23 they are 5th in the league in hrs and all have been solo shots pythagorean projection puts them at 360 winning percentage or 58 104 need some pitching help fast good news though is that hurst has been throwing curveballs w o any pain threw 80 pitches yesterday should be back in a couple of weeks maybe we can trade him to the yankees for militello dave dave demers demers cs ucsd edu computer science engineering 0114 demers cs ucsd bitnet uc san diego ucsd cs demers la jolla ca 92093 0114 619 534 0688 or 8187 fax 619 534 7029 guns re the right to keep and bear arms was re whos next mikey ccwf cc utexas edu strider writes st922957 pip cc brandeis edu writes just because someting was good once does not mean it will be forever yes gone are the days when you can leave your house unlocked at night well it couldnt last forever for the record it wasnt until i came to college excluding the times i went to omaha or council bluffs for something that i ever removed the keys from the ignition of my car come to think of it it was only after i moved to ames ia pop 45k that i ever took to locking my doors at night ive discovered that 50k year isnt worth living in fear all day i might just move back to the farm this weekend is veishea you know when isu students riot for no apparent reason this year weve the farm aid concert to add to the festivities anybody bet me theres another riot remember iowa law has three guys talking loud defined as a riot stay tuned for an on the scene report this weekend dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them baseball re relative value of players kime 93apr20133127 mongoose torolab ibm com mjones 735335684 fenway organization eskimo north 206 367 3837 eskimo com yeah morris just knows how to win thats why he lost 18 for detroit in 1990 funny how he wins a lot of games when he pitches on good teams but loses a lot when he pitches on bad ones and if rings was the only criteria for success then teams would always tend to repeat and eventually youd have the same team win the ws every bleepin year sort of like the yanks in the 50s morris is a decent pitcher on the downside of a good not great career toronto will finish 3rd or 4th this year with morris and all those rings because their pitching staff was destroyed over the off season steve thornton stevet eskimo com medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article 1993apr15 150550 15347 ecsvax uncecs edu ccreegan ecsvax uncecs edu charles l creegan writes what about kekules infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails is this specific enough to count certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic phil of sci texts as an example of the inventive component of hypothesizing i think the question is what is extra scientific about this it has been a long time since anyone has proposed restrictions on where one comes up with ideas in order for them to be considered legitimate hypotheses the point in short is this hypotheses and speculation in science may come from wild flights of fancy daydreams ancient traditions modern quackery or anywhere else russell baseball re bosios no hitter in article 1r9hbsinnavr shelley u washington edu dudgeon opus cheme washington edu writes pb6755 csc albany edu brown philip h writes i watched the final inning of bosios no hitter with several people at work after vizquel made that barehanded grab of the chopper up the middle someone remarked that if he had fielded it with his glove he wouldnt have had time to throw riles out yet the throw beat riles by about two steps i wonder how many others who watched the final out think vizquel had no choice but to make the play with his bare hand in this mornings paper or was it on the radio vizquel was quoted as saying that he could have fielded the ball with his glove and still easily thrown out riles that he barehanded it instead so as to make the final play more memorable seems a litle cocky to me but he made it work so hes entitled i guess so still thats kind of a stupid move imo hed be singing a different tune if he had booted it and the next guy up had hit a bloop single stranger things have happened hey i used to be a big dave stieb fan and unfortunately theres no such thing as an unearned hit cheers charles windows re trident 8900 cl 1280x1024 driver in article c5qkua chn da vinci it uswc uswest com dfeldman lookout mtt it uswc uswest com david feldman says please excuse if faq but new trident 8900cl based card claims to have 1280x1024 support drivers with card indicate several 1280x1024 drivers on diskette windows 3 1 does not make all drivers on diskette available to configuration dialog box any suggestion thanx please e mail dfeldman uswest com since we are in the subject i have one more question i have a trident 8900c video card i want to know what is the latest video driver for it so far all i can find is that an old driver dated aug 92 in garbo uwasa fi anyone have any info please e mail me at axh113 psuvm psu edu az baseball re game length was re braves update in article 20apr93 15151474 vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu writes nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes however what is with this policy of trying to speed up the games i agree with nick whats the big deal about long games if you want to watch baseball theres that much more baseball to watch and yes baseball includes the space between plays as well as the plays themselves i hesitate to make assumptions about other people when they write but neither of you two sound as though you have kids and you may not have spouses either consider a night game starting at 7 05 pm est it was 7 35 last year but cleveland showed what i thought was good sense in pushing it back i go and im into it until 11 pm minimum extra innings could put me well past midnight even without extra innings if the score is beyond 2 1 i cant see my family that night at all if the next day is a workday i may have to bag that as well further the later the game goes the colder it gets on the shore of lake erie all that stuff enters into my consideration of even going to a game if you say you dont care about whether the game is sped up impo you are saying you dont care where the time goes and that the game is for people who dont have families and dont have to get up for work the next day rg i can play me better than anyone theres only one of me barry bonds on playing himself in two movies medicine re we can supply you with the transplantants other harvested to order cars need info on mazda 626 i test drove a mazda 626 lx this past weekend and liked it the dealer offered it for 15k 1 is this a good price 2 any comments on 626 in general please use email thanks peter att hotsoup peng windows re mouse on com3 om3 or com4 in windows jpaparel cs ulowell edu joseph paparella writes i am having a problem configuring the mouse in windows to use com3 with irq5 i dont believe irq5 is the problem i tried a mouse on com3 irq4 the usual place and it still did not like it simply windows seems to only support mice on com1 or com2 the funny part is though that microsofts own mouse driver 8 xx was quite happy with my mouse sitting on com3 why cant windows use the mouse driver or at least support com3 com2irq 3 com3irq 5 com4irq 7 maxcomport 4 ive tried this too actually i wanted to be able to use my second modem com3 irq5 from windows it still will not talk to that modem i created two profiles amstrad for my amstrad modem on com1 irq4 and maestro for my maestro on com3 irq5 it will not talk to the maestro at all 1 5106830617 that their driver does not support com3 and com4 in windows their suggestion was that the microsoft or ps 2 setting in windows setup would work it does not nor here windows 3 0 i can not believe that it is not possible at worst you would need a special version of a mouse driver that looked at com3 and com4 instead of com1 and com2 i know that irq5 and irq7 are normally printer port irqs but i ive seen nothing like that ive experimented with logitechs mouse driver too with no sucess have no printers attached a side note is that i would really like to assign com4 to some higher irq because my soundblaster board uses irq7 right now im not using com4 but no modem that i know of allows settings other than irqs 2 3 4 5 and 7 if you have a soundblaster pro it should support irq10 as well finally a board that supports irqs 9 the only one i have except my ide controller hamish hamish moffatt hamish cloud apana org au apana the australian public cloud nine bbs 3 635 552 fidonet access network association melbourne australia 58 4100 43 intlnet mail info apana org au titanic software voice 61 3 803 1326 for information baseball re young catchers in article c518wo kfy news2 cis umn edu kirsch staff tc umn edu dave almost cursed the jays kirsch writes that brings up an interesting point anyone else catch espns piece about prospects and the relationship between age career length mvps and hall of fame members it was part of their preseason special wow espn can repeat eleven year old bill james research literally check the 1982 abstract it was the most impressive thing ive seen on espn in recent memory perhaps in 2004 theyll be as reliable as an average sdcn i guess ray knight makes his rebuttal tonight oops maybe not ted frank however teel should have mentioned that though thf2 kimbark uchicago edu his advice is legally sound if you follow it the u of c law school you will probably wind up in jail standard disclaimers james donald in misc legal cars 87 grand national does anyone have one of these that would care to share some information on i concerned about the turbo how reliable is it hows the gas milage please responde to me not here thank you roger cars re the 1994 mustang jmh hopper virginia edu jeffrey hoffmeister writes in article 1993apr22 192652 3032 virginia edu jmm4h virginia edu the blad i just have got to remind all of you that this is it yes thats right somtime this fall ford the granddaddy of cars will be introducing an all new mega cool way too fast for accord drivers mustang its supposed to be 100 streamlined looking similar to the mach iii concept car ford came out with around january i cant wait anyone out there hear anything about it recently if everything ive read is correct ford is doing nothing but re skinning the existing mustang with minor suspension modifications and the pictures ive seen indicate they didnt do a very good job of it the new mustang is nothing but a re cycle of a 20 year old car i just saw a picture of the 94 mustang in popular mechanics what a disappointment after being bombarded with pictures of the mach iii jp windows re creating a batch file from windows nt in sasswb 737135699 k2 sasswb unx sas com scott bass writes 1 for windows nt is there an alternative to the archane fairly useless dos batch programming language for os 2 ibm introduced the rexx language as an alternative to bat surely windows nt should do the same thing right 2 in lieu of the above is there any way to escape the cr lf in a bat file and continue a single command across multiple lines i have an application which exits to the system and submits a batch file the batch file is created on the fly from site specific code stored within the application as currently designed the line length for the stored code and the output file bat file is 80 characters which is not enough for all the options that must be specified on a particular command it would help tremendously if i didnt have to redesign my code to kludge around the lack of a true batch shell programming language rest deleted as a followup to my post let me add that im not really a windows or windows nt user so please excuse my ignorance however im a developer at sas institute and one component of the application that i support is the ability to submit a sas batch job from within an interactive sas session the user site can enter their site specific batch profile into a dataset within our product specifying the pathname to the sas executable specifying site specific sas options etc at run time certain variables are resolved and the resolved file is written to an external ascii file then i exit to the operating system and run the job asynchronously returning to the interactive session as soon as the job is submitted the batch job then runs concurrently with the interactive session as currently designed the internal dataset has a record length of 80 characters but to run the batch job the command to reinvoke sas in batch mode requires more than 80 characters up til nt this has not been a problem since every job control shell language up til nt eg mvs cms vms unix os2 had a way to escape the cr lf and enter a single command across multiple lines os 2 via their rexx language which is standard with os 2 the gist of all this is since this application is for end users not within my company i have to try to develop this process using native nt since my first posting ive learned that there are several third party companies that provide alternative script languages for windows windows nt and im sure a company that licenses our product would use that alternative script language if they had it but i cant develop under the assumption that they have anything other than what comes with nt i saw another post on this list the subject was something like is vi available for windows in which someone said that vi make awk and ksh was available with microsoft toolkit what is that product is it a separate product or part of windows ksh would do what i need if i could count on it at all nt sites one last question ive heard that nt has remote processing capabilities i e i could shove this batch job off to a server machine and have it run there if these are native nt commands rather than network specific commands this would also help me improve this process if you can comment on these commands i would appreciate it thanks again for the help scott bass sas institute inc integrated systems a216 x6975 sas campus drive cary nc 27513 2414 sasswb k2 unx sas com 919 677 8001 x6975 cars 4runner and pathfinder recent changes i am interested in finding out how the 4runner and pathfinder have been updated in the past few years like new engine suspension and the like i noticed that the 1993 and 1992 4runners are identical for example and was looking into buying a used one any info would be appreciated esp models years to check out or avoid thx andy brandt cs unc edu religion re the list of biblical contradictions in article bskendigc51cqb k0r netcom com bskendig netcom com brian kendig writes specifically when i bring up the fact that genesis contains two contradictory creation stories i usually get blank stares or flat denials ive never had a fundamentalist acknowledge that there are indeed two different accounts of creation that is because two creation stories is one of the worst examples of a difficulty with the bible were formed can also be translated had been formed in chapter two without any problems so the text does not demand that there are two creation stories link hudson baseball re minnesota pitching date mon 5 apr 1993 00 19 45 0400 from karim edvard ahmed ka0k andrew cmu edu since i havent been able to keep up with baseball much this season i have a few questions about my favorite team the minnesota twins 1 how good does their rotation look the last i heard the order is tapani erikson mahomes banks and some guy ive never heard of sounds pretty pathetic to me well maybe it will be banks is a 24 year old prospect who hasnt matured as quickly as they would have liked mahomes is a 22 year old who is very highly touted tapani and erickson are also young and have looked very good this spring the last spot was between jim deshaies formerly of houston and s d and mike trombley deshaies hasnt looked very good this spring so i believe that the spot has gone to trombley although they hadnt wanted 3 starters this unproven i personally believe very highly in mahomes and trombley 2 who is playing short and third well scott leius is the shortstop he played mostly 3b last year but was a ss in the minors and moved back after gagne left to k c 3b is split maybe between pagliarulo who has had a great spring and terry jorgenson a good looking kid who has languished in portland for 3 years im not sure how the time will be divided but they seem to be happy with what they have here i like jorgenson but i fear they might give too much time to pags 3 hows winfield doing sorry cant help you here dennis cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article c5uwoj bt usenet ucs indiana edu mliggett silver ucs indiana edu matthew liggett writes in 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes i am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines v4 i dont know of any v6 legend mr3 mr6 lexus es300 gs300 sc300 infiniti j30 dozens of others including common cars like the toyota camry as an option v8 dont know of any mustang 5 0 302 camaros firebirds some mercedes lexus ls400 sc400 acura legend infiniti q45 lincoln mark viii some cadillacs and other luxury autos v10 dodge viper v12 jaguar xjs please add to the list thanks s ssave ole cdac com mliggett silver ucs indiana edu mliggett iugold bitnet junk collector toys r us kid antiauthoritarian and fan of frogs iguanas and other herps 8 cut here for signature 8 balaji ramanathan institute of transportation studies i dont believe in luck university of california irvine i rely on it windows re emm386 and windows from article ardie 313 736188058 ux1 cso uiuc edu by ardie ux1 cso uiuc edu ardie mack on my pc i almost exclusively run windows the only dos based application i have is procommplus in my config sys i have emm386 loaded with the option noems no expanded memory following a thread in one of the comp newsgroups i read that it was no necessary to have emm386 loaded indeed emm386 noems enables the system to use the upper memory between 640 and 1024 thats a good place for device drivers dos kernal etc keep it in emm386 is not reqired to load the dos kernal high or else you couldnt do it on a 286 in a mail message i recommended that he remove it since he only runs procomplus frequently in dos and i suspect emm386 will slow down windows charles a cballen clemson edu cars rec autos the rec autos archive server archive name rec autos part3 the automotive articles archive server the automotive archive server is in the process of being rehosted and is presently not available richard welty 518 393 7228 welty cabot balltown cma com nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis carroll smith windows re is microsoft windows really and operating system well you may think that but you are wrong ah the joys of networking i just hope that you forgot the if you dont like the file manager dont use it i dont i use ndw i like the more modular nature of windoze if you like things to be modular i think you would love system 7 instead of adding a line to your autoexec bat you just drop the icon into the extensions folder just because one has had ignorance sold to one by the evil fruit empire one is not forbidden to learn about ones file system below the level of the gui im still working on that one medicine intensive japanese at pitt in article c5kxix 5ct cbnewsd cb att com rcj2 cbnewsd cb att com ray c jender writes i was kind of half watching street stories last night and one of the segments was about this doctor in s f who provides a service of investigating treatment for various diseases im pretty sure his name is dr mark renniger sp or close to that did anyone else watch this id like to get his correct name and address phone number if possible thanks intensive japanese at the university of pittsburgh this summer the university of pittsburgh is offering two intensive japanese language courses this summer both courses intensive elementary japanese and intensive intermediate japanese are ten week ten credit courses each equivalent to one full year of japanese language study they begin june 7 and end august 13 the courses meet five days per week five hours per day there is a flat rate tuition charge of 1600 per course fellowships available for science and engineering students contact steven brener program manager of the japanese science and technology management program at the university of pittsburgh at the number or address below all interested individuals are encouraged to apply this is not limited to university students new program announcement japanese science and technology management program the japanese science and technology management program jstmp is a new program jointly developed by the university of pittsbugh and carnegie mellon university students and professionals in the engineering and scientific communitites are encouraged to apply for classes commencing in june 1993 and january 1994 program objectives the program intends to promote technology transfer between japan and the united states it is also designed to let scientists engineers and managers experience how the japanese proceed with technological development this is facilitated by extended internships in japanese research facilities and laboratories that provide participants with the opportunity to develop long term professional relationships with their japanese counterparts program design to fulfill the objectives of the program participants will be required to develop advanced language capability and a deep understanding of japan and its culture correspondingly jstmp consists of three major components 1 training in the japanese language several japanese language courses will be offered including intensive courses designed to expedite language preparation for scientists and engineers in a relatively short time 2 education in japanese business and social culture a particular enphasis is placed on attaining a deep understanding of the cultural and educational basis of japanese management approaches in manufacturing and information technology courses will be available in a variety of departments throughout both universities including anthropology sociology history and political science moreover seminars and colloquiums will be conducted further a field trip to japanese manufacturing or research facilities in the united states will be scheduled 3 an internship or a study mission in japan upon completion of their language and cultural training at pitt and cmu participants will have the opportunity to go to japan and observe and participate in the management of technology internships in japan will generally run for one year however shorter ones are possible fellowships covering tuition for language and culture courses as well as stipends for living expenses are available for more information and application materials contact steven brener susie brown jstmp carnegie mellon university gsia university of pittsburgh pittsburgh pa 15213 3890 4e25 forbes quadrangle telephone 412 268 7806 pittsburgh pa 15260 fax 412 268 8163 telephone 412 648 7414 fax 412 648 2199 interested individuals companies and institutions should respond by phone or mail please do not inquire via e mail please note that this is directed at grads and professionals however advanced undergrads will be considered further funding is resticted to us citizens and permanent residents of the us steve brener medicine re antihistamine for sleep aid im interested in this from the other angle what antihistamine can i take at bedtime for relief of allergies with the assurance that its sedative effect will have completely worn off by the next morning but preferably with the anti allergy effect lasting longer im thinking mainly of otc products which has the least duration of sedative action benadryl chlor trimeton or what note that im asking about duration not intensity michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi cars sunroof leaks im all wet my sunroof leaks ive always thought those things were a royal pain can anyone provide any insight i know the seal isnt great maybe i could weld the stupid thing shut hk windows re dos window macros in article 1993apr27 200651 11520 csd newshost stanford edu herrod cs stanford edu stephen herrod writes does anyone know a program that will record keyboard sequences that i do in a windowed dos box i would like to have something that starts a telnet program and then logs me into my accounts windows recorder doesnt seem to be able to record the key sequences thanks steve i think you would need a dos macro program superkey by borland comes to mind i dont think windows is capable of sending keystrokes to a dos window what you want to do sounds like a security problem to me though tom paladin world std com windows i hate to make a decision hi well i really hate to make a decision but recently i have to choose whether stacker 3 0 or dos 6 0 with double space for my poor hd i am using windwos 3 1 and i hope what i choose will live with windows any help will be appreciated forever 23 michael jordan tony g wu gtonwu uz nthu edu tw cae rheology lab nthu tony che nthu edu tw cars re old corvettes low insurance in article 1993apr15 011805 28485 ns1 cc lehigh edu swr2 ns1 cc lehigh edu scott warren rosander writes in article c5csux fn1 news cso uiuc edu gdhg8823 uxa cso uiuc edu george hei nz writes after too many years of school im finally graduating and getting a real job of course i am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra money right now i have an 89 accord a good car but not real sporty i was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around 20k on a sports car of some kind after thinking about it i may have a better idea ill keep the accord until it drops and buy the car ive always wanted a corvette stingray my reasoning is that 8000 accord 8000 corvette 16000 is less than what i would spend anyway basically im thinking of a late 70s early 80s for around 7 10k my question is what are good years to consider for reliability looks horsepower in that order believe it or not horsepower is not a main concern if i want to go fast i get on my motorcycle and what are good prices also what would insurance look like im male single 23 i might wait until im 25 to get the car lower insurance would the fact that i mainly drive the other car lower it is there some type of classic car or rarely driven insurance class for driving it under 10k miles per year my dad has a 66 vette and its on what you say classic insurance basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving time which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would probably suit your needs for limited mileage in addition to restricted mileage many classic insurance carriers also require that the vehicle be garaged when not in use 0 02 ericy eric youngblood bell northern research richardson texas 75082 peon w o email privs cars re changing oil by self in article 93111 12475032hnbak cmuvm csv cmich edu john foster 32hnbak cmuvm csv cmich edu writes i find this method much better myself too although i do really hate it when the bolt finally comes loose and the wrench and my hand both come crashing into my face after coming to which is about 15 minutes later i change my clothes because by this time all the oil has drained on me and ice my entire face and suck down about 20 tylenol to ease the pain later in the day i then proceed with refilling the engine oil its just crazy how i try and change the oil on my cars in one weekend i go through about 3 bottles of tylenol and 2 bags of ice oh thats not so bad every time i try to change the oil i forget to shut off the engine first the hot oil comes out and scalds me blinds me then the engine starts to overheat and while im screaming in agony and trying to crawl out from under the car i grab the red hot exhaust pipe and get third degree burns on my hands my screams intensify as i finally emerge from under the car and i struggle to my feet in front of the car whereupon the radiator hose ruptures and sprays me with super heated coolant then the engine seizes but not before the cylinder head explodes piercing my flesh with fragments of red hot iron this happens every time im starting to think i should pay the mechanic 25 instead paying the hospital 250 000 and the dealer 25 000 for a new car this gets costly when you change the oil every 3000 miles toadface guns re hallam baker bashes tpgers was re welcome to police state usa in article 1993apr22 041542 11054 a cs okstate edu kennejs a cs okstate edu kennedy james scot writes from article c5t9ia 6f9 dscomsa desy de by hallam dscomsa desy de phill hallam baker if anyone wants to understand the paranoid mindset of koresh i offer you talk politics guns there you can dredge the sewers of minds so hung up on power and ego trips that they bend reality arround their own particular set of beleifs just what the hell do you base that ludicrous claim on there are plenty of fine decent people people who read post to t p g if any of these people are paranoid it is because of people like you hey dude you are making me paranoid what an argument i long ago gave up arguing the case for arms control directly instead i invite people to ask themselves would you want to be in a room full of the occupants of talk politics guns their personal armouries and attempt to enter a discussion with them id have a spot of tea with them you probably gave up on arguing the case for arms control directly long ago because posters who know what they are talking about e g frank crary disproved all your arguments for why more gun control is needed so you gave up because you know they are right and you couldnt refute their answers no frank crarys arguments are based on the assumption that most people are sane normal people tpg disproves this of gun owners usenet as a whole disproves it of humanity as a whole we now have proof positive that guns dont make you safer buy a lot of guns and you either get shot in the no knock raid or get the fbi to burn down your house see even in the paranoid mindset of tpg there are good reasons to support gun control cuddles n kisses phill cars re rfi art of clutchless shifting in article 93112 103631lrr105 psuvm psu edu lrr105 psuvm psu edu writes i have they showed the foot cam and telemetry for rusty wallace shifting at at lanta last year and he never touched the clutch except very slightly when down shifting 700 hp is pretty powerful to me i doubt his trans uses standard syncros there are several mechanisms for coupling a gear with the transmission output shaft some of which are fine for racing and unsuitable for street use mark walker my old man always said mwalker chama eece unm edu too much is just right 505 277 3688 home 899 0644 guess that applies to my preferences albuquerque nm in performance cars baseball re whats with all these scores in article 1qplh7 e2g agate berkeley edu jtchern ocf berkeley edu joseph hernandez wrote if people on usenet really dont want to see the postings i do to rec sport baseball on a daily basis please just let me know if the response is overwhelming against the posts i wont do it anymore thanks for your time joseph hernandez mr hernandez i apologize for the misunderstanding i explained that i know that it is essential for some fans to get scores here for they cannot get them elsewhere i have no problem with what you do posting scores after the games have been completed however like i said earlier i dont think it is a necessity to post scores during the middle of games like some others have come to practice sean cars renting from alamo hello netters im visiting the us im from sweden in august i will probably rent a chevy beretta from alamo ive been quoted 225 for a week 54 for additional days this would include free driving distance but not local taxes baltimore they also told me all insurance thats necessary is included but i doubt that cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more insurance than whats included in the base price but on the other hand he didnt rent it from alamo does anyone have some info on this is 225 a rip off probability that ill be needing more insurance is the beretta a good rental car thanx markus cars re jeep grand vs toyota 4 runner in article igw world std com edwards world std com jonathan edwards writes i am considering buying one of these two vehicles new i want a fun to drive family vehicle that can go through anything the jeep is very popular and has the features all wheel drive 4 wheel anti lock roomy passenger cabin but limited cargo with an internal spare the toyota is an aging design with only part time 4 wheel and only rear anti lock and no anti lock in 4wd it also has a very inconvenient rear gate not to mention awkward ingress to the passenger cabin any reason you are limited to the two mentioned they arent really at the same point along the suv spectrum not to mention price range how about the explorer trooper blazer montero and if the budget allows the land cruiser bear in mind that 90 of all suvs purchased never venture off road carefully weigh the trade off between comfort and off road performance when choosing one and realistically decide whether youll actually make enough use of the off road ability to sacrifice some of the on road comfort john john windows can os 2 talk to windows for workgroups id like to get a system running os 2 2 0 ga talking to a network of pcs running windows for workgroups acting as a server would be wonderful but client access would be enough can i run wfw s net utilities in a dos box or is there a way to actually get os 2 to talk to wfw will os 2 lanman clients talk to wfw dazed and confused tom haapanen tomh metrics com software metrics inc waterloo ont stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth now pull up thats how the corrado makes you feel car january 93 windows windows 3 1 video driver ive got an old super vga card manufactured by sampo of taiwan and im looking for a windows 3 1 driver for it its based on the cirrus logic cl gd510a 32pc b chip ive contacted the suppliers here in new zealand and they say that only windows 2 divers were ever written by the manufacturer so if theres a v3 1 driver out for this chip set id like to know preferably by e mail at rjwjames waikato ac nz thanks is advance ross james guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu writes in article 1r6h4vinn844 clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras wrote you seem to make two points no one ultimately oversees the federal agencies you mention and since koresh apparently has a different view point from your ive yet to meet a group of baptists who were stockpiling cambells soup and m 16s ar 15s and banging marrying thirteen yuear olds youre a sorry hmm all reports from texas authorities indicate that none of the children which the group released showed any signs of child abuse given that the same results were found the last time the group was investigated for such allegations i can pretty much state that i strongly suspect the government of disinformation deception on this issue and about stockpiling weapons food many recognized religous groups practice maintaining a one years supply of food and some even maintain a supply of weapons and ammunition why are those two facts grounds for an armed assault and from the dollar value of the weapons purchased if they bought decent firearms it comes out to about one handgun rifle and shotgun for each adult with a few extras going by that rule the batf best get ready for the fight of their life when they assault alabama james s cochrane when in danger or in doubt run in this space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles scream and shout for rent windows re permanent swap file in article 1qlja7 i6b usenet ins cwru edu ak333 cleveland freenet edu martin linsenbigler writes when i first setup windows using the self load mode it grabbed about 20 megs of swap file space my 120 meg hd was nearly empty at that time i deleted windows for a time and recently reloaded now my hd is nearly full and windows just took 4 megs one of the rules for a permanent swap file is that it must be contiguous non fragmented space i suspect that is more responsible for the difference than the amount of free disk in your case i have read somewhere that the best rule of thumb is have your permanent swap file the same size as your regular ram size i have 4 megs of ram and windows took 4 meg perm swap file works very well in fact with my available hd space about 20 megs it wont let me make the swap file any bigger you should change your virtual mem swap file to 8 megs i think that is what you said your ram was it depends on what you are running we had to increase our swap file i think it is now 20mb when some applications couldnt run without everything else closed mike lipsie work mlipsie ca merl com mitsubishi electronic research laboratory home mikel dosbears uucp windows re boot up sometimes fails in article dbasson 11 0 mattek csir co za dbasson mattek csir co za dominique basson writes dos 5 never used the area e000 efff as well as some others if you have any cards that use this are such as a lan card you might get this problem use the x e000 efff in your emm386 exe line in config sys if you run memmaker then instruct it retain inclusions and exclusions speaking of that my comp has emmexclude e000 efff or something of that nature in the system ini file or some system file for windows i was just wondering if having that line in a windows startup file is better as it will give some more memory on dos apps but disable it when you run windows actually i do think that that line is also in the system 1 file peace mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd cars re nissan nomenclature was re manual shift bigots wanted aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer writes you are sure that what you call a 200sx we call a 240 just curious we also have a nissan predacessor sp to the 240 called a 200 which came in turbo and nonturbo but i dont think weve ever had a 240 turbo just curious btw im in the us if that matters drew what we currently know as the 240sx is known elsewhere as a 200sx graham e thomas blah blah blah blah blah georgia institute of technology blah blah blah blah blah internet grahamt oit gatech edu blah blah blah blah blah cars re 300zx or sc300 ip02 ns1 cc lehigh edu danny phornprapha writes im getting a car in the near future ive narrow it down to 300zx and sc300 which might be a better choice thanks for your opnion danny ive been asking myself this same question for the past year so if when you find out would you please share the magistic answer with me the way i see it right now work twice as hard so you can have both cheers issa my suggestion is why not work twice as hard like issa suggested above then get acura nsx enjoy seb cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in a previous article finnegan nrlssc navy mil says in article apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu eliot writes the subarus all use 180 degree vees in their engines eliot wouldnt that make them an i4 or would they really be an 4 henceforth referred to as underscore 4 i think that it is technicaly known as a 180 degree vee configuration could be wrong this is how ive seen them referred to drew cars third party car antennas since this posting ive received no replies or followups so im posting here hoping for the feedback i didnt get in rec audio car article number 9855 newsgroups rec audio car path cbfsb cbnewsb cb att com vinlai from vinlai cbnewsb cb att com vincent lai subject third party car antennas message id 1993apr13 202333 28657 cbfsb cb att com sender news cbfsb cb att com organization at t distribution na date tue 13 apr 1993 20 23 33 gmt i recently saw a particular third party antenna on a new camry not mine but it caught my interest and a new 626 it seems to replace the factory power antenna and is about a foot long made of plastic tubing i have seen them on quite a few cars but i cant find anything more about them in previous r a c articles nor in r a articles id like to know all i can so any feedback is greatly appreciated mom were hungry bud bundy why tell me peg bundy vincent lai vinlai cbnewsb att com forwards mail to vlai attmail com which eventually winds up in wcmnja lai somerset att com medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article 1993apr16 210916 6958 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes im not familiar with the history of this experiment although arguably i should be for a brief but pretty detailed account try hempels philosophy of natural science i think that it is enough if his contemporaries found the result surprising thats not what id quibble about what id like to know are toricellis reasons for doing his experiment not the post hoc constructed reasons but the thoughts in his head as he considered the problem it may be this smacks a bit of ideology the supposition being that toricellis subsequent descriptions of his reasoning are not veridical it gets dangerously close to an unfalsifiable view of the history and methodology of science if we deny that no subsequent reports of experimenters are reliable descriptions of their real reasons impossible to know much about toricellis thoughts thats too bad if it is so one of root bernsteins services to science is that he has gone rooting about in pasteurs and flemings and other peoples notes and has discovered some surprising clues about their motivations pasteur never publicly admitted his plan to create mirror image life but the dreams are right there in his notebooks finally public after many years ready for anyone to read and i and my friends often have the most ridiculous reasons for pursuing results one of my best came because i was mad at a colleague for a poorly written claim i disproved the claim of course toricellis case may be an example of a rarety where the fantasy not only motivates the experiment but turns out to be right in the end but my point is that this type of case is not a rarity in fact i was going to point to pasteur as yet another rather common example particularly the studies on spontaneous generation and fermentation i will readily concede that ridiculous reasons can play an important role in how scientists spend their time but one should not confuse motivation with methodology nor suppose that ridiculous reasons provide the impetus in the majority of cases based on relatively infrequent anecdotal evidence gary h merrill principal systems developer c compiler development sas institute inc sas campus dr cary nc 27513 919 677 8000 sasghm theseus unx sas com mcnc sas sasghm guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article larry 93apr21174441 peak psl nmsu edu larry peak psl nmsu edu wrote on 21 apr 93 11 28 57 0800 yodicet gtewd mtv gtegsc com said ah yes i see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork to defend the burning of the children probably drooled all over themselves while watching the tv coverage probably had a few like that in nazi germany as well oh yeah atf fbi now claims according the the media that there are a few survivors the number seems to vary minute by minute yodicet yodicet yodicet hmm you dont say no it appears he didnt well i think hes on to something here i mean the post he responded to not did pretty much speak for itself chip switzer a witty saying proves nothing t chipsw microsoft com voltaire religion re is it good that jesus died in article 1993apr25 194144 8358 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes even though a new born is innocent as can be his sinful nature will surely manifest itself more explicity as he gets older ah so you admit newborns are innocent then you cannot say everyone is a sinner about the only way top get out of this one is to claim that a newborn is a sinner despite having not committed any sins which is rather odd on the first day after christmas my truelove served to me leftover turkey on the second day after christmas my truelove served to me turkey casserole that she made from leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings pizza hut commercial and m tlu a gic bait ken arromdee arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r0v4c i1j menudo uh edu hadcrjam admin uh edu miller jimmy a writes in 1r0poqinnc4k clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com writes in article c5rdaw 4s4 dartvax dartmouth edu zed dartmouth edu ted schuerzinger writes well its now tuesday morning where are those two arsons now i said yesterday they would vanish and there has been no further mention of them just the desired impression is left according to kikk radio in houston all nine survivors are either in hos pitals or in jails inlucding the two who allegedly helped start the firess in the fbi briefing no mention was made of having the fire starters in custody why could no one else even talk to them why could koreshs grandmother not talk to him or even send him a taped message why the total isolation well it wasnt total 100 isolation after the lawyer snuck in the first time they the fbi etc let him go back inside several times including i think the day before the final assualt why not his mother why not the media semper fi jammer jim miller texas a m university 89 and 91 i dont speak for uh which is too bad because they could use the help become one with the student billing system be the student billing system power finds its way to those who take a stand stand up ordinary man rik emmet gil moore mike levine triumph jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article c5kv7p jm3 unx sas com sasghm theseus unx sas com gary merrill writes in article 1993apr15 200344 28013 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes what is wrong with the above observation is that it explicitly gives the impression and you may not in fact hold this view that the common perhaps even the correct approach for a scientist to follow is to sit around having flights of fancy and scheming on the basis of his jealousies and petty hatreds flights of fancy and other irrational approaches are common the crucial thing is not to sit around just having fantasies they arent of any use unless they make you do some experiments ive known a lot of scientists whose fantasies lead them on to creative work usually they wont admit out loud what the fantasy was prior to the consumption of a few beers simple example warren jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a dna electrophoresis gel of human alu fragments he got very excited hoping that hed seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic genes this fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out binding assays the result was a well conserved 400 or so bp sequence that occurs about 500 000 times in the human genome unfortunately for warrens fantasy it turns out to be a transposon that is present in so many copies because it replicates itself and copies itself back into the genome on the other hand the characteristics of transposons were much elucidated the necessity of a cellular reverse transcriptase was recognized and the standard method of recognizing human dna was created other species have different sets of transposons fortunately for me warren and i used to eat dinner at t g i fridays all the time it further at least implicitly advances the position that sciences goes forward and it is not clear what this means given the context in which it occurs by generating in a completely non rational and even random way a plethora of hypotheses and theories that are then weeded out via the critical function of science im not sure that its random but there is no known rational mechanism for generating a rich set of interesting hypotheses if you are really working in an unknown area it is unlikely that you will have much sense of what might or might not be true under those circumstances the best thing to do is just follow whatever instincts you have if they are wrong you will find out soon enough but at least you will find out something if you try to do experiments at random with no prior conceptions at all in mind you will probably get nowhere though why this critical function should be less subject to the non rational forces is a mystery unfortunately the critical function does sometimes become hostage to non rational forces then we get varieties of pathological science lysenko mirskys opposition to dna as gene cold fusion and so forth if experimental design hypotheses creation and theory construction are subject to jealousies and petty hatreds then this must be equally true of the application of any critical function concerning replication this is what leads one ala feyerabend to an anything goes view i dont agree that this follows in fact this is exactly the point at which i disagree with feyerabend it is a most important part of the culture of science that one keeps ones jealousies out of the refereeing process failures there are aplenty but on the whole things work out another point there are a couple of senses of the phrase experimental design id say that the less rational part is in experimental choice not design alexander fleming proc royal soc 1922 chose to look for bacteriophage in his own mucus for strange reasons phage had previously been found in locust diarrhea fleming probably thought runny bottom runny nose what the hell its worth a try but his method of looking for phage was well designed to detect anything phage like in fact he found lysozyme true the generation part can be totally irrational but typically it is not anecdotes concerning instances where a hypothesis seems to have resulted in some way from a dream or from ones political views simply do not generalize well to the actual history of science it is not clear to me what you mean by rational vs irrational perhaps you can give a few examples of surprising experiments that were tried out for perfectly rational reasons or interesting new theories that were first advanced from logical grounds the main examples i can think of are from modern high energy physics which is not typical of science as a whole mark a fulk university of rochester computer science department fulk cs rochester edu religion re to rob lanphier in article 1993apr23 225933 22683 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes brian it doesnt offend me if you decide to reject jesus christ i only wish you would make that decision after you learn who jesus is have you rejected buddha if you have did you really learn who buddha is before making the decision medicine re too many mris in article 1q6rie mo2 access digex net kfl access digex com keith f lynch writes so why are the scans so expensive and what can be done to reduce the expense isnt it just a box with some big magnets a radio transmitter and an attached pc the magnets are huge good mri sets with big 1 5 tesla magnets cost millions of dollars then the radiologist wants 400 for reading each scan gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows mirosoft office package i am in charge of purchasing some computer software for a small office and i have a few question about microsofts office pack 1 i was wondering are the programs that are packaged with the office pack winword power point excel and ccmail complete and the latest addition 2 are the programs hobbled in any way 3 can we update single programs at a latter date i e from excel 4 0 to excel 5 4 do you receive all of the necessary disks and documentation 5 is there anything that i should be aware of that makes the office package less of deal that it seems sorry if i seem skeptical put the price for the office package 439 39 on the street sounds like a great deal for the office that is purchasing its first computer and software but all four complete programs for less than 450 makes me just a little suspicious maybe its just me thanks for your help in advance kirt wilson northwestern university internet kwilson casbah acns nwu edu bitnet kwilson casbah baseball cards mailing list count me interested in a cardinals mailing list if anyone finds one or starts one please let me know thanks dick detweiler rdetweil hpdmd48 boi hp com windows re wp pcf linux risc in article c5rx8b kzp ecf toronto edu leebr ecf toronto edu lee brian writes in article 1qu8ud 2hd sunb ocs mq edu au eugene mpce mq edu au writes in article c5o1yq m34 csie nctu edu tw ghhwang csie nctu edu tw ghhwang writes dear friend the risc means reduced instruction set computer the risc usually has small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase the clock rate to have a high performance you can read some books about computer architecture for more information about risc hmm not that i am an authority on risc but i clearly remember reading that the instruction set on risc cpus is rather large the difference is in addressing modes risc instruction sets are not as orthogonal is cisc theoretically supposed to be reduced not any longer thats why everyone is arguing about risc v s cisc personally i think cisc will win out just take a look at the pentium not that i like intel architectures either but thats another story bye do you mean that the pentium is better than a risc or that it will outsell them all if the first you have to remember that intel cisc like the pentium are a always a generation away from the best riscs also riscs cpu are more costly because they are not sold in the same quantities not even on the same order but i remember reading about 3 years maybe 2 about a t800 from hypercube that did a 100 mips was superscallar and reordered its instruction itself so windows re why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse ecktons ucs byu edu sean eckton writes i have a microsoft serial mouse and am using mouse com 8 00 was using 8 20 i think but switched to 8 00 to see if it was any better vertical motion is nice and smooth but horizontal motion is so bad i sometimes cant click on something because my mouse jumps around i can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit then jump to the right then move smoothly for a bit then jump again maybe this time to the left about 5 inch this is crazy i have never had so much trouble with a mouse before anyone have any solutions does microsoft think they are what everyone should be just venting steam i think i have the same problem i think it is caused by the rubber ball in the mouse which doesnt roll so smooth the detectors in the mouse notice this and whoops i hit a mine using minesweeper i think the solution will be buying a new mouse and or using a mouse pad wouter baseball re phils nl east not so weak in 1993apr15 214133 3371 guvax acc georgetown edu apanjabi guvax acc georgetown edu writes i love it how all of these people are blaming the phillies success on a weak division why dont we look at the record of the teams in each division read inter divisional play well see that the east is really kicking the shit out of the west i know it is early but that is all we have to go on atlanta is just so strong with their 188 ba cincinnati is 2 7 coming off a sweep at veterans stadium in philadelphia and houston was swept in its first three games by the phillies in the astrodome that my western division friends shows that the three best teams in your division may not be as strong as you think or you may be posting this way too early and be eating your words by mid season cmon the phillies havent proved anything yet atlanta was similar to the phils 2 years ago they sucked they started having a good year but didnt get any respect until they actually won the division which is how it should be so until the phils at least have a good year not just a good 2 weeks they wont get any respect either btw atlantas 188 ba is actually a compliment to how good the braves really are their record is 6 3 can you imagine the phils record if they were batting 188 hahahaha and atlantas hitting will improve dramatically no im not a braves fan just defending a good team orin bradley u phils all the way in 93 braves hit like a aaa club reds need marge bob im really a jester in disguise baseball old predictions to laugh at oops i came across this file from last year thought you might enjoy some of these thoughts the predictions were made on the date indicated they are largely out of order june 11 1992 tedward cs cornell edu me what have i done i computed the expected winning percentage for each team from their obp total bases and runs allowed i use the basic rc formula and the pythagorean projection i then compare this with their actual winning percentage all stats through june 7 team obp tb ra w l xwp diff baltimore 0 351 768 199 33 21 0 647 36 boston 0 334 580 176 26 25 0 548 38 toronto 0 319 750 221 34 22 0 540 68 new york 0 327 759 237 28 26 0 523 5 milwaukee 0 325 692 226 28 25 0 498 31 detroit 0 328 782 285 24 31 0 448 11 cleveland 0 316 688 274 22 34 0 386 7 minnesota 0 353 797 237 30 24 0 585 29 oakland 0 350 719 236 32 23 0 532 50 texas 0 324 815 281 33 26 0 469 90 chicago 0 325 601 212 25 27 0 459 22 california 0 307 664 231 22 32 0 438 30 kansas city 0 310 656 239 22 32 0 420 13 seattle 0 310 726 290 22 33 0 376 24 you all know how things turned out the orioles red sox and yankees all disappeared the jays and tigers continued at essentially the expected pace the brewers and indians cranked in the second half the rangers predictably took a dive that shouldnt have surprised anybody meanwhile as predicted the mariners dropped behind the angels and royals they clearly didnt deserve the 22 33 record in june the white sox and as upped their game a bit while the twins dropped off a little but for the most part things were as expected okay so there were a few blatant errors but for a predictive calculation i thought this did pretty well from cavgeoe yalevm ycc yale edu tue mar 31 16 36 34 1992 1 the braves insert kent mercker into the starting rotation sometime this year 1992 bielecki is traded or released lei brandt becomes the fifth starter and the best bullpen in baseball has pena berenguer stanton wohlers freeman and pete smith who spot starts as well hm pete smith made the rotation instead of mercker and bielecki wasnt released until the end of the year i wont comment on the bullpen jeff reardon 2 blauser wins the starting shortstop job outright by the end of may bream goes on the dl and klesko goes on a nice hitting honeymoon a la gregg jefferies in 1988 platooning with hunter mitchell wins the center field job a bit later all star break and nixon stays on as a valuable pinch runner lonnie is released unless the braves find a taker in a trade right on blauser wrong on bream and mitchell a bit early on lonnie as with bielecki didnt pick sanders did anybody 3 managers to be fired this year 1992 in chronological order fregosi showalter valentine riddoch three of them went right showalter is still around and likely to stick it seems from mattel auto trol com mattel auto trol com tue mar 31 17 04 22 1992 1 bonds gets traded from bucs for some young talent nope they won the division and so kept him for a shot at the playoffs 2 mets win division well they didnt finish last 3 atlanta repeats in the west got that one right 4 yankees surprise everyone but finish second behind toronto nope 5 dwight gooden wins 20 but is surpassed by saberhagen who wins 22 i guess this is why you picked the mets to win huh 6 roger clemens is injured early in the season tsk tsk not nice to predict something like this 7 strawberry fails to hit even 20 home runs and is often injured 8 due to 7 dodgers drop out of race you got that right and my response from tedward tue mar 31 17 57 42 1992 hmph can tell you are a mets fan do you mind if i make some counter predictions against yours they follow 2 mets come in third behind pittsburgh and montreal okay so the mets finished fifth but i got the pirates and expos right 4 the yankees offense and pitching flounders dropping them to fourth place in the al east boston wins 95 games the division the pennant and the world series first half dead on second half ummm im a sox fan go easy on me 5 dwight gooden rushes his comeback gets blown out and goes on the dl from may through mid july saberhagen runs a 500 record wfan criticizes the mets for giving away that great talent jefferies who has a solid year in kc so i got my predictions for gooden and saberhagen reversed i was at least close and was right about jefferies though i dont know has wfan criticized the jefferies trade 6 roger clemens wins another cy as well as 20 games close no cigar in article udqceao00vpeii li1 andrew cmu edu al1x andrew cmu edu amit likhyani writes excerpts from netnews rec sport baseball 1 apr 92 re nl east smiley trades cavgeoe yalevm ycc yale 591 ops projected for 1992 hojo 792 i will streak naked down forbes avenue if hojo does not muster more than a 792 ops something is wrong with that projection some predictions need no introduction from navarra casbah acns nwu edu mon apr 13 02 09 15 1992 from tedward cs cornell edu do you care to put your prediction down for posterity you predict mark grace will get 90 rbis i say you are out of your mind that is almost impossible for a 10 hr type guy batting behind dawson who kills most of the rallies he doesnt finish why do you say that mark has driven in 82 90 and 79 89 last year mark was batting second primarily and it was his worse year average wise since he is batting either 3rd or 5th this year i predict he will be back up to his previous standards i think he will be better 90 rbis is not that much of a stretch sometimes us statheads get lucky grace didnt hit behind dawson the entire season but he also finished with only 79 rbis from nss3 midway uchicago edu tue may 19 22 09 06 1992 the most ballsy prediction ever mark mcgwire will hit 61 or more hrs this year nope he slowed down and the injury finished him off didnt even reach 50 but a ballsy prediction nonetheless from ecaxron mars lerc nasa gov thu may 21 16 42 21 1992 1 baltimore will not fade they will not win the division this year but they will finish within five games i find the prospect of two orioles winning 20 each easier to comprehend than that of two sox no offense i think their pitching is about as good as the division has to offer the orioles finished seven games out none of them won 20 though mussina might have had a chance with better relief and more starts 2 nobody else in the division is worth a darn they all finish a minimum of fifteen games out the tribe 30 thats another reason to watch baltimore this year and next they wont waste many of those games against the rest of the division except for the brewers who you probably forgot you were right the rest of the division was thoroughly mediocre the yankees and indians led with 76 wins the red sox trailed with 73 wins none were horrible but four were five or more games below 500 from djohnson cayley uwaterloo ca david johnson date thu 6 aug 1992 15 47 30 gmt right that was me i never said the jays were a cinch to clinch it but i said that milwaukee will be more of a threat than baltimore i do think that toronto should win it but after 87 i dont consider anything a cinch unless you have something like a 4 game lead with 3 games to go i do think that the jays have the best talented team in the al east and if we had a good or even average manager we might have a bigger lead right now i also think that the orioles will not play much better than 500 baseball for the rest of the season you win from king cogsci ucsd edu thu nov 14 14 33 45 1991 in article 1991nov13 060413 9187 cs cornell edu you write 7 indians the first and only 0 162 season ever prediction the cleveland indians will win 70 or more games next year you were right from stvjas meteor wisc edu fri sep 13 01 15 52 1991 1 jose rijo will win the 1992 cy young award if he is healthy enough to go at least 210 ip who would have thought he would try to steal a base why risk such an injury he had 211 ip but didnt win the cy young maddux surprised all 2 the orioles will win 88 games in at least 3 of the next 6 years probably the last 3 and their pitching staff will have a team era among the best 4 in the al in at least 3 of the next 6 years but not necessarily all the same years as they win 88 this one will take a long time to verify i dont think i want to wait that long but they won 89 games last year and they were fifth in the league in era not a bad start 4 ben mcdonald will not challenge for an era title in the next 2 years nor will he have 18 victories either year by challenge i mean finish among the leaders being among the leaders before the season is done doesnt count he will probably never be the pitcher he was hyped to be but is still a decent starter to have looks like it he wasnt bad last year just too consistent to be an ace so far this year looks like more of the same 5 the phillies will give up many fewer walks if when they get rid of their bullpen coach ryan i am not predicting when or whether they will get rid of him and you will have to give the team a little bit of time to adjust before seeing the radical change they would have a fine pitching staff if they would just steal ray miller away from pittsburg the white sox seem to have the same problem but not as bad i honestly cant say did they get rid of him their bb totals were down last year 7 ricky jordan will have 90 rbi if he starts 145 games hitting in the 3 or 4 or 5 spot in any lineup or the 6 spot in a lineup with very good obp in the 4 5 hitters this applies for each of the next 3 years i just dont think hes that good 12 billy ripken will never again hit over 240 with 400 ab so far so good im definitely not waiting to check this one from panix spira cmcl2 nyu edu fri sep 13 12 38 08 1991 no matter what lou gorman and his scouts say paul quantrill will never ever be an adequate major league starter never i have never seen a starting pitcher who can only strike out 3 per 9 innings at aaa be successful in the majors current plans seem to be to use quantrill in long relief he has a rubber arm and unusual delivery he might be decent in that role from lyle ecn purdue edu sat sep 14 01 51 28 1991 m v p 92 a l frank thomas n l hal morris division winners 92 a l east baltimore orioles a l west chicago white sox a l pennant chicago white sox n l east st louis cardinals n l west cincinatti reds n l pennant cincinatti reds w s champion cincinatti reds wrong on all of the above hal morris and my favorites from tedward sun oct 20 23 52 57 1991 belle will not walk as many as 50 times in 1992 belle will hit more hr than he has walks in 1992 belle hit 34 hr last year walking 52 times but five of those were intentional okay so i exaggerate but i might have been right from trn strdev jhuapl edu tue mar 31 15 25 28 1992 are the os going to sign cal of is elis wallet welded shut outgoing money only wide open for incoming cash 8 my prediction which you may make note of valentine is that eli jacobs will defer any serious negotiations on cal ripkens contract until the 92 season is over eli will give cal every opportunity to have his stats tumble a bit from last years pace before coming forth with an offer despite claims that op cy was designed to cals strength my feeling is that the 411 foot left center canyon will cut down on cals power stats after all its hard to credibly to offer 3 4 million year to an all star game mvp al mvp gold glove shortstop baseball deity but itd be a lot easier to offer a similar salary to an obviously declining but above average shortstop who had a career year one full season ago of course if cal does match his 91 numbers then eli is going to be faced with a rather huge and expensive problem how much did cal sign for when did he sign if i remember correctly he got a rather hefty contract despite a weak season and finally from jpalmer uwovax uwo ca thu sep 12 10 35 58 1991 generally because of expansion in 1993 there will be a lot of mediocre talent hanging around much of it will not make it as the expansion teams look for younger talent around which to build their teams my specific predictions as of april 7 1993 jim acker and cory snider will be selling aluminum siding snyder is still in sf acker is gone neither charlie kerfeld nor vance lovelace presently in tiger aa but formerly big leaguers will be playing professional ball they arent in the majors nor will dave rozema who says hes keeping in shape with a hope for another shot with expansion never heard of him shawn hare and jody hurst will be in the major leagues they are outfielders in the tiger minor league system i dont think they are in the majors ron hassey will be a minor league manager with the yankees dunno what happened to him it will be bye bye for balboni if hes still around hes stuck in the minors bo jackson will not be a starter hm with raines out bo looks to get a lot of pt gary huckaby will have moved to alaska permanently theyre on the net and dave kirsch will return to canada to live hm thanks for listening valentine guns re govs florio wilder hit airwaves in support of brady bill in article 1993apr5 015209 29431 ucsu colorado edu fcrary ucsu colorado edu frank crary writes in article 1993apr2 231109 23378 msc cornell edu srussell msc cornell edu stephen russell writes obguns im moving to arizona everyone carries guns there if i dont what are the approximate probabilities that ill get shot by the end of six months under 1 in 20 000 assuming fbi statistics are meaningfull of course if youre a criminal or hang around with criminals or flash large wads of cash in the wilder parts of town or utter verbal bigotry in the right public places your chances of being shot are much higher avoiding these behaviors on the other hand decreases your chances of being shot something like 60 of all murders are criminals killing criminals over 90 of murders are committed by people with a prior known history of violence simplistic moral suitable for my three year old and most inane posters bad people do bad things repeatedly kirk hays nra life seventh generation the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing edmund burke 1729 1797 windows problem wallpaper display corrupt for bitmaps 512k i have a problem with the wallpaper on my desktop in 1024x768x256 mode for bitmap files bigger than about 512k slightly less sometimes depending on the exact dimensions the wallpaper display is badly corrupted the rest of the desktop is fine for wallpaper bitmaps smaller than this i have no problem i have a friend who has an 800k bitmap which he has no problems with so it is possible it is also possible to display these bitmaps using cshow in 1024x768x256 mode with no problem so the video card is not at fault how can i remedy this my system 386dx40 4mb ram dos 6 0 windows 3 1 oak 1mb 077 video card 1024x768x256 mode using supplied drivers windows has a permanent 11 288kb swap file please reply via e mail and use the address in my sig as our post software always seems to mangle the address in the header thanks mazz richard mazzaferri ph d student uni of newcastle ph 049 216254 mazz faceng newcastle edu au australia medicine getting aids from acupuncture needles someone wrote in expressing concern about getting aids from acupuncture needles unless your friend is sharing fluids with their acupuncturist who themselves has aids it is unlikely not impossible they will get aids from acupuncture needles generally even if accidently inoculated the normal immune response should be enough to effectively handle the minimal contaminant involved with acupuncture needle insertion most acupuncturists use disposable needles use once and throw away they do this because you are not the only one concerned about transmission of diseases via this route so its good business to advertise disposable needlesused here these needles tend to be of a lower quality however being poorly manufactured and too sharp in my opinion they tend to snag bloodvessels on insertion compared to higher quality needles if i choose to use acupuncture for a given complaint that patient will get their own set of new needles which are sterilized between treatments the risk here for hepatitis hiv etc transmission is that i could mistakenly use an infected persons needles accidently on the wrong patient but clear labelling and paying attention all but eliminates this risk better quality needles tend to slide past vessels and nerves avoiding unpleasant painful snags and hematomas so i use them acupuncture needles come in many lengths and thicknesses but they are all solid when compared to their injection style cousins in china herbal solutionsand western pharmaceuticals are occasionally injected into meridian points purported to have tcm physiologic effects and so require the same hollow needles used for injecting fluid medicine this means thinkingtiny that a samll amount of tissue the diameter of the needle bore will be injected into the body as it would be in a typical shot when the skin is puntured on the other hand when the solid acupuncture needle is inserted the skin tends to squeeze the needle from the tip to the level of insertion such that any cooties that havent been schmeared away with alcohol before insertion tend to remain on the surface of the skin minimizing invasion from the exterior of course in tcm the bodys exterior is protected by the wei protective qi so infection is unlikely or in other words there is a normal inflammatory and immune response that accompanies tissue damage incurred at the puncture site while im fairly certain your friend will not have a transferable disease transmitted to them via acupuncture needle insertion i would like to know for what complaint they have consulted the acupuncturist not to know if it would be harmful but to know if it would be helpful john badanes dc ca romdas uclink berkeley edu baseball red sox win 1st bosox 3 royals 1 wp clemens 1 0 lp appier 0 1 key hit mike greenwells 2 out tripple with bases loaded windows quietwriter ii driver im trying to get a hold of an ibm quietwriter ii printer driver for windows 3 1 if such a beast exists can someone suggest how i get it please mail me a reply directly as i dont normally read this group many thanks david brown dbrown mach1 wlu ca windows diamond ss24x win 3 1 mouse cursor anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the diamond 1024x768x256 driver sorry dont know the version of the driver no indication in the menus but its a recently delivered gateway system am going to try the latest drivers from diamond bbs but wondered if anyone else had seen this post or email don lindbergh dabl2 lhc nlm nih gov baseball re cubs game of april 6th in article 1993apr6 203330 4974 oucsace cs ohiou edu jclark oucsace cs ohiou edu j michael clark writes otis nixion lined a single to left with two outs breaking up the no hitter cubs win 1 0 on a 1 hitter by jose guzman thats might be what it takes to beat the braves this year look at smoltzs pitching line 6 hits 2 walks 1 er 7 so and a loss baseball re bonilla in article 1993apr17 213553 2181 organpipe uug arizona edu krueger helium gas uug arizona edu theodore r krueger wrote isnt it funny that a white person calls comeone a nigger and gets banned for a year but a black person calls someone a faggot and there is no consequence ted ted youre missing a vital point as roger lustig pointed out in a previous response the reason why schott was banned from baseball was because she had been known to call and think in a racially biased manner on a constant basis such thoughts affected her hiring practices bonilla on the other hand was found to have mentioned this one word a single time if he had been known to go around criticizing homosexuals it would be a different story furthermore he is merely an athlete he doesnt have to hire anyone as schott had to do dave pallone the former nl umpire who is an admitted homosexual has decided to assist in a protest before a mets game at shea he like you thinks that bonilla should be suspended from baseball pallone is hoping for a years suspension in my opinion thats downright ludicrous as howie rose on wfan said if you start suspending athletes who have mentioned a derogatory word even a single time under whatever conditions then youd probably have enough people remaining to play a three on three game now honestly if you truly analyze the differences between the two cases that you bring up in your article i would think that youd reconsider your thoughts sean behind the bag vin scully baseball re best homeruns in article 1qn6tqinnmnf senator bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes the best home run i have ever seen came off believe it or not roger clemens sorry val a couple of years ago he threw a ball to incaviglia which was literally at inkys neck and he absolutely hammered the crap out of it after the swing clemens nonchalantly motioned for a new ball he didnt even turn around to look or even get upset the ball hit the lights in the left field standard some 70 or so feet about the green monster over 100 feet above the ground total truly an amazing shot i agree home runs off clemens are always memorable kinda like eclipses and hurricanes they dont happen very often cheers valentine windows re permanaent swap file with dos 6 0 dbldisk stuff deleted be that what it may i would really suggest to everyone to take the opportunity to go to these technical workshops they arent actually incredibly in depth but you do get a lot of material about bugs and optimization straight from those in the know besides that they offer you huge discounts on software if i remember correctly you could pick up word 2 0 excel 4 0 or whatever their presentation program is for 130 that is the full blown version not an upgrade or educational version you could also pick up microsoft office for 500 or something like that myself i sprang for word the value of these workshops aside you ought to be able to buy full copies of all this software through your campus bookstore or software distributor at these rates im not aware that the educational version of word or excel is doped down in any way well hope that was helpful to someone and besides that i hope someone will go to a workshop and save a little money and if anyone at microsoft is reading this i really love your products i need a job once i graduate also can we work something out thanks brent casavant bcasavan mailhost ecn uoknor edu david farley the university of chicago library 312 702 3426 1100 east 57th street jrl 210 dgf1 midway uchicago edu chicago illinois 60637 cars help with 89 mitsubishi galant gs transmission hi i need your help with a problem i have with a 1989 mitsubishi galant gs transmission the car has a 5 speed manual tranmission since the car was bought new while shifting from 2nd to 3rd unless i do it slowly and carefully it makes a popping or hitting sound the dealer and mitsubishi customer service reached by an 800 say this is normal for the car is it and about a year ago at 35kmiles the stick shift handle got stuck while attempting to put it in reverse 1 the shifter would not budge the clutch had no effect 2 the front tires would not budge even when the clutch is fully depressed 3 if the clutch is released the engine would die 4 assuming that some gear was engaged while the shifter was stuck i could not make the car move it acted as if it were in neutral except for dying when clutch is released 5 i finally was able to release the shifter by having someone rock the car back and forth less than an inch while i depressed the clutch and jiggled the shifter 6 the shifter acted normally after that when this happened i took it to the dealer they checked the clutch it was o k they checked the transmission it was o k i had the exact problem a couple of months ago and again last week the dealer says there is nothing they can do because mitsubishi the 800 says they have never heard of the problem and the dealer could not reproduce the problem while they had the car in all three occurances the car was parked head first in a garage and since the front wheels were stuck the car could not be towed to the dealer before releasing the shifter hence temporarily solving the problem and the dealer and mitsubishi refused to send someone to check the car while it was stuck i know there is smething wrong with the transmission shifting from 2nd to 3rd and getting stuck at random but i cant get the dealer to fix it i need your help with the mechanical problems and with how to handle mitsubishi all hints and suggestions are greatly appreciated and sorry to bore you with the long post thanks rabih cars re braindead drivers who dont look ahead in article 9595 tekig7 pen tek com jitloke tekig5 pen tek com jit loke lim writes in article 1993apr14 140642 19875 cbnewsd cb att com hhm cbnewsd cb att com herschel h mayo writes anybody is going anywhere so i block the would be passers not only for my own good but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it ah we are looking for good people just like you we are a very concerned group of citizens who are absolutely disgusted at the way that the majority of drivers simply disobey traffic rules like going above the speed limit passing on our right and riding our tails while all the while we respectfully abide by the rules of this great country and maintain the mandated speed limits with our calibrated certified cruise controls while keeping the respectful 1 5 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this is it yes thats right somtime this fall ford the granddaddy of cars will be introducing an all new mega cool way too fast for accord drivers mustang its supposed to be 100 streamlined looking similar to the mach iii concept car ford came out with around january i cant wait anyone out there hear anything about it recently if everything ive read is correct ford is doing nothing but re skinning the existing mustang with minor suspension modifications and the pictures ive seen indicate they didnt do a very good job of it the new mustang is nothing but a re cycle of a 20 year old car gee is it 1999 already yes it will still be on the fox program chasis anything that will be differe nt on the new car as far as mechanicals is unknown the suspension will most likely be changed as well as the drive drain from what has been printed on it there is no clear idea of what will be done as some say it will have the modular v8 and others the current small block just have to wait and see also is far as styling goes from what i seen is good a return to tradition c scoop on the sides and roof line much like a 65 or 66 fastback you know im a ford fan i must say so im looking forward to the next mustang i have faith that it will be a fine product more desireable than the camaro is now you know thats mho the differences these days between ford and gm are not so much the quality just the philosophy it used to be quality and philosophy gm is barely catching up but they have more room for improvement that can only be made up in time stss still come off the assembly line with screwed up paint stripes and poor trunk door hood panel alignments its those 75 year old plants and the latest gm products still come with the standard equipment rattledash tm but like i said theyre getting better and making the move in the right direction they beat ford to the market with the camaro firebird but really only in words production of these vehicles will be limited until the end of the year keeping selling prices above msrp for the most part since there are so many twitching camaro fans out there i wouldnt press ford to hurry the mustang since the final wait could be worth it besides no bow tie fanatic is gonna buy the mustang anyway i do not put much stock in the mag rags inside information or even ford rep quotes the taurus was pretty much a surprise when it was finally disclosed in its entirety inside information had the taurus with a v8 and rear wheel drive at one point i wouldnt look for a simple re paneled mustang folks you may be cheating yourself if you do theres a lot of potential ford hasnt released a new car without a 4 wheel is in 7 years the mustang project has been brewing for at least 4 right a 4 wheel is could happen those modular v8s are out there too in the interest of cafe and competition dont rule those out either your ignorant if you do and there are so many spy shots and artist renderings out there who really knows what itll look like the mach iii doubt it highly the next mustang will be fords highest profile car it attracts way more attention than the camaro firebird because its heritage is more embedded in the general public dont lie to yourself and believe ford will forfeit that i submit that the mustang will be a success enough to elicit defensive remarks from some heavy camaro fans here you know intelligent critical spews like the mustang bites man some of you are already beginning i predict that the mustang and camaro will be comparable performers as usual i predict that the differences will be in subjective areas like looks and feel as usual the camaro is still a huge automobile the mustang will retain its cab rearward styling and short pony car wheelbase the camaro still reaches out to the fighter pilot while the mustang will appeal to the driver the camaro will still sell to the muscle car set while the mustang will continue to sell to the college degreed muscle car set both will be more refined i do think the camaro is there will be no clear winner unless the ford gets the 32v 300hp romeo you dont seriously believe that it was designed for the mark viii only do you regards brian bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu i am the engineer i can choose k department of engineering mechanics ohio state university columbus oh cars re comparing saabs bmws in article 1r7js5 k50 biz ecs umass edu suri ganzer ecs umass edu writes hi would someone like to post a comparative analysis quantitative measures hp etc and more so the qualitative feel of how they compare for the driving feel handling noise responsiveness etc for the saab 900 9000s and the bmw 3 5 series any comments on just comparing the 900 with the 9000 re handling i take it that the saabs and bmws are comparable for reliability and all that would be nice if flaming wars could be avoided and folks just post their experiences i had a 82 saab 900 turbo and now have a 87 bmw 325is there is no comparison for handling reliability or overall quality of engineering the bmw wins hands down after 5 years i was sick and tired of the all the little problems and entropic decay of the saab the 6 year old bmw is still as sweet as it was new but i see you are posting from western ma bmws suck in the snow i have aggressive snows plus a hundred pounds of sand in the back and i still try to avoid driving in the snow i happily took the saab through blizzard conditions without a worry i would say this is the single design flaw in the bmw jonathan edwards edwards intranet com intranet inc 617 527 7020 baseball darrrrrrrrryl the media is beating the incident at dodger stadium on wednesday to death but i havent seen anything in rsb yet gerald perry of the cardinals pinch hit in the eighth inning with two on and his club down by a run he stroked a line drive into the right field corner the ball cleared the three foot high fence and went into the crowd darryl racing over from right center got to the spot in time to reach his glove up over the short fence but he missed the ball a fan sitting in the front row wearing a mitt reached up and caught the ball home run now ive seen the replay several times and i have concluded that darryl missed the ball and that the fans glove was essentially behind darryls several dodger fans with seats in the immediate vicinity have claimed that the fan unquestionably interfered with strawberry what cannot be disputed however is that the fan who caught the ball never took his eye off it he was oblivious to where the fielder was playing he was also quite exuberant as soon as he realized he had made the catch that exuberance disappeared immediately however when strawberry went into a tirade at the man all reports indicate he used a lot of profanity and accused the man of interference and therefore of costing the dodgers a game shortly afterwards other fans hurled food and beverages toward the man who made the catch dodger stadium officials started to remove him from the park but then relented and just relocated him to another area in an interview after the game lasorda blamed the fan for the loss strawberry also went into a tirade about how the fans are stupid and they dont care about winning l a times columnists similarly blasted the man who made the catch before each dodger game the public address announcer makes a speech wherein he says that fans are welcome to the souvenirs of balls that are hit into the stands as long as they do not interfere with any that are in the field of play was the fan wrong should he have been more aware of the situation and acted to avoid any possibility of interference or was he human and just reacting by the way he is a season ticket holder and on his request the dodgers have relocated his seats to another area of the stadium where future interference is impossible others have questioned why darryl should be so concerned with what the fan did when he has a grand total of 1 rbi through the first nine games i question what he was doing in right center with a left handed pull hitter up and the game on the line had he been closer to the play he certainly would have had a much better chance of catching the ball but i guess the big debate continues as to what are the responsibilities of the fan the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com medicine proventil inhaler does the proventil inhaler for asthma relief fall into the steroid or nonsteroid category looking at the product literature its not clear rick ysu edu cars re ad said nissan altima best seller i guess that makes altima the most generic car in the us guns re whos next mormons and jews the two situations are hardly analogous unless you wish to make the dubious claim that the us legal system would provide equivalent treatment to bd children that the romans did for those of conquered rebels actually all the analogy calls for the the branch davidian feeling their treatment would be along these lines after a military assualt instead of a peacefull effort to serve a warrant and weeks os siege such a feeling might not be completely irrational actually if i were one of the survivors and wanted to institute a civil rights violation lawsuit against the treasury dept i would claim that the batf fbi itself was to blame for any mass hysteria insanity without due process the siegers shone lights laser beams multi colored spotlights all the while playing loudly amplified music consisting of everything from tibetan chant to heavy metal and coupled with the fear the poor nutrition the rampant paranoia id say it was very likely those poor nuts were made even nuttier after all isnt sleep deprivation sensory overload etc part of the new age method of torture cars ford explorer question and suv review ok so in my ongoing search for a sport utility heres the latest toyota 4runner small small small small the interior of this vehical is impossible for a large person too bad it would have been the winner otherwise nissan pathfinder very low ceiling my head hit the roof fun on bumps no also has a cheap looking interior isuzu trooper class act this is a really really nice vehical very comfortable handled ok has really cool grab handles everywhere but its huge and the engine is a bit too small for its bulk also the manual shift is weird and kind of awkward id buy this if it were 3k cheaper or 10 shorter but at this size and for this price no i kept picturing trying to park in in san francisco no thanks chevy blazer cheap looking small not as small as the toyota and nissan but still too small ford explorer this is no sports car and its certainly not for the serious off roader but its big enough to be comfortable without being as huge and heavy as the trooper its engine has plenty of power for everyday driving though it would be nice if it had a bit more the automatic tranny is pretty nice head and shoulders above my 90 mazda mpv the steering is not as tight as id like but its acceptable the two door has easy to enter back seats easier to get into in fact than the drivers seat of the 4runner and with a 10 shorter wheelbase and the easier availability of a manual tranny yes im a manual shift biggot i admit it its the one im thinking of buying so that said is there anyone out there who has one of these and hates it anyone had any major problems heard any horror stories also any reason to buy the ford over the mazda navajo both being essentially the same vehical thanks karl karl elvis macrae software release support cisco systems kmac cisco com or batman cisco com 415 688 8231 dod 1999 fj1200 shovels and rakes and implements of destruction arlo guthrie guns re riddle me this in article 1993apr20 050550 4660 jupiter sun csd unb ca j979 jupiter sun csd unb ca fuller m writes that the gas was not harmful as the sensitive caring janet reno described it is it as far as i know tear gas especially in large concentrations is very dangerous even toxic for small children this makes the fbis supposedconcern for the safety of the children seem rather hypocritical frank crary cu boulder medicine re erythromycin in article 47974 sdcc12 ucsd edu wsun jeeves ucsd edu fiberman writes is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia it depends on the cause of the pneumonia for treating bacterial pneumonia in young otherwise healthy non smokers erythromycin is usually considered the antibiotic of choice since it covers the two most common pathogens strep pneumoniae and mycoplasma pneumoniae david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu baseball re sandberg runs rbis was re notes on jays vs indians series in article c5jqby m7a news rich bnr ca bratt crchh7a9 nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes rbis and runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics you can talk about obp and slg all you want but the fact remains the team that scores more runs wins the game flame away john bratt ok you asked for it i guess that doesnt bode well for the cubs then does it doug roberts willing to trade frank bolick for a bag of used baseballs lets go expos guns re the pill for deer no hunting in article 1qk3jm 9sh transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1993apr14 221646 2332 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes why are good neighborhoods good it isnt because every person is armed to the teeth it is because of 1 attitude and 2 cooperation in the good neighborhoods the residents make themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when strangers are lurking around good neighborhoods form groups like crime watch to increase this effect and the relative effectiveness of the police when hostiles are arrested the good neighbors step up and say thats the one officer he was robbing mr jones house sometimes this works sometimes it just lands your good neighbors on the dance card for the next wave of drive bys someone here once told a story about la gangs moving into phoenix ive misplaced the herea a copy cdt newsgroups talk politics guns ou politics path dg rtp psinntp uunet sun barr ames haven umd edu darwin sura net wupost csus edu netcom com mvp from mvp netcom com mike van pelt subject the difference an armed civilian population makes message id y52n tc mvp netcom com date thu 17 sep 92 23 42 42 gmt organization netcom online communication services 408 241 9760 guest references swood 716099748 vela lines 84 along the lines of the armed citizen heres a story that some of you may find amusing its a story about arizona house hunting from leslie fish musician and author one of the reasons im planning to move to arizona is that despite its lousy economy 4 way race problems simmering religious problems and hopelessly bad government arizona has one of the lowest violent crime rates in the country is it just coincidence that arizona is also one of the few remaining no gun control states in the country well consider this funny story last time i was in phoenix staying with liz burnham i did some checking on the local real estate market thats when i discovered that with my income as provable by my tax returns i can qualify for every low income housing loan in the book with the exception of va and i came across an astonishing ad in the local market paper it offered a three bedroom house in the phoenix area for are you ready for this all of 10 000 no money down 100 per month total payments christ on a harley davidson i called up the real estate office making this offer made it clear that i was only checking the local market and asked about that house were the walls roof and foundation structurally sound yes were the plumbing and electrical systems functional and up to code yes did the air conditioning system an absolute necessity in phoenix work yes again okay so what was wrong with the house well it needed lots of plastering painting yard work and some patching of the roof and yes low interest repair loans were available okay sez i if thats all thats wrong with it just why are you selling a 3 bedroom house for all of 10 000 well squirms the agent its in kind of a bad neighborhood how bad sez i remembering some of the neighborhoods ive seen in chicago and oakland worst in the city the agent sighs and then he told me this amazing story every few years it seems the big vice gangs in los angeles notice that theres no gang presence in phoenix which is just a quick 5 hour drive from la and get the idea of setting up a subsidiary there well a couple years ago the colonizing force came to this neighborhood it being poor and spanish they figured they could move right in and take over bought this house and started operations unfortunately for them the neighbors not only didnt like this they didnt care for whores trotting up and down their streets all night pimps soliciting their kids dope deals on the corners in broad daylight and so on they werent afraid to do something about it the neighbors called the cops for some reason the phoenix police are remarkably honest capable polite and prompt and the cops promptly came and swept up all the whores pimps and pushers off the street and away to jail the remaining gang members decided to retaliate in the fashion they usually use in la they got the complainants name and address off the court records and did a drive by shooting at his house well this wasnt los angeles the moment the neighbors heard the first gunshots fired they all ran out their front doors with their own guns rifles shotguns pistols everything and shot back the car didnt make it to the end of the block it coasted to a stop riddled with more holes than the famous bonnie and clyde getaway car which ive seen its on display in a casino in a casino in las vegas the gas tank and fuel lines had been ruptured so the car caught fire the neighbors waited a good 15 minutes making sure nobody got out of that car before they called the fire department to come put out the fire and tow the wreck away by that time the asphalt under the car had melted and caught fire too which subsequently left a large and nasty pot hole in the street the city is slow about repairing small streets so the hole stayed there providing a traffic hazard for several months all this was two years ago the agent concluded and theres been no trouble since but the house and the neighborhood still have a bad reputation and thats why the house was so cheap hearing this story i nearly laughed my ass off i told the agent that if i had the money at the moment id by god buy the house this was nothing compared to bad neighborhoods id seen here in california where drive by shootings go unchecked by the well armed cops let alone by the unarmed neighbors if thats the absolute worst youll find in phoenix then thats the city for me thats the difference that an armed civilian population makes think about it mike van pelt when guns are outlawed mvp netcom com only carl rowan will have guns mvp hsv3 lsil com medicine re barbecued foods and health risk while in grad school i remember a biochemistry friend of mine working with heat shock proteins apparently burning protein will induce changes in he dna whether these changes survive the denaturing that occurs during digestion i dont know but i never eat burnt food because of this also many woods contain toxins as they are burnt it would seem logical that some may volatilise and get into the bbqed food again i dont know if these toxins antifungal and anti woodeater compounds would survive the rather harsh conditions of the stomach and intestine and then would they be able to cross the intestinal mucosa maybe someone with more biochemical background than myself which is almost anyone can shed some light on heat shock proteins and the toxins that may be in the wood used to make charcoal and bbq anne marie rousseau e mail rousseaua immunex com what i say has nothing to do with immunex medicine cs gas and allergic response ques this question derives from the waco incident could cs gas particles create an allergic response which would result in laryngospasm and asphyxiation especially in children dnc in ok osu com will disavow my opinion and my existence if necessary baseball royals the royals are darkness they are the void of our time when they play shame descends upon the land like a cold front from canada they are a humiliation to all who have lived and all who shall ever live they are utterly and completely doomed other than that i guess theyre ok randall rhea informix software inc project manager mis sales marketing systems uunet pyramid infmx randall baseball hits stolen second base 1992 disclaimer this is for fun in my computerized baseball game i keep track of a category called stolen hits defined as a play made that an average fielder would not make with average effort using the 1992 defensive averages posted by sherri nichols thanks sherri ive figured out some defensive stats for the second basemen hits stolen have been redefined as plays kurt stillwell would not have made ok i realize thats unfair kurts probably the victim of pitching staff fluke shots and a monster park factor but lets put it this way if we replaced every second baseman in the nl with someone with kurts 57 6 out making ability how many extra hits would go by to try and correlate it to reality a little more ive calculated net hits stolen based on the number of outs made compared to what a league average fielder would make by the same method ive calculated net double plays and net extra bases doubles and triples let by finally i throw all this into a a formula i call defensive contribution or dcon basically it represents the defensive contribution of a player i add this number to ops to get dops defense onbase plus slug which should represent the players total contribution to the team so dont take it too seriously the formula for dcon appears at the end of this article the short version definition of terms hs hits stolen extra outs compared to kurt stillwell nhs net hits stolen extra outs compared to average fielder ndp net double plays extra double plays turned compared to avg fielder neb net extra bases extra bases prevented compared to avg fielder dcon defensive contribution bases and hits prevented as a rate dops dcon ops quick dirty measure of players total contribution national league name hs nhs ndp neb dcon dops alicea l 50 21 2 1 160 865 sandberg r 108 42 1 1 134 1 015 thompson r 65 20 5 1 104 852 lind j 66 8 2 1 027 571 doran b 31 1 4 0 014 705 deshields d 51 1 2 1 002 755 harris l 25 4 0 1 019 602 lemke m 43 1 5 5 038 573 morandini m 37 9 6 0 069 580 randolph w 13 16 3 1 088 582 biggio c 34 26 4 0 091 656 stillwell k 0 43 3 1 236 336 ordered by dops 1 015 sandberg 865 alicea 852 thompson 755 deshields 705 doran 678 nl average 656 biggio 602 harris 582 randolph 580 morandini 573 lemke 571 lind 336 stillwell american league name hs nhs ndp neb dcon dops fletcher s 59 18 5 1 116 811 reed j 83 17 3 1 071 708 ripken b 56 9 1 1 044 631 baerga c 67 0 10 0 029 838 blankenship l 34 2 2 1 023 757 miller k 34 4 1 1 016 725 alomar r 62 4 9 2 020 812 knoblauch c 50 13 7 3 024 718 bordick m 37 4 2 1 025 704 kelly p 42 1 5 1 039 636 whitaker l 40 8 1 2 041 806 reynolds h 47 6 5 1 043 603 sax s 56 6 9 1 052 555 sojo l 28 11 3 0 075 602 order by dops 838 baerga 812 alomar 811 fletcher 806 whitaker 757 blankenship 725 miller 718 knoblauch 708 reed 704 bordick 691 al average 636 kelly 631 ripken 603 reynolds 602 sojo 555 sax more discussion dcon formula nhs ndp pa nhs ndp neb ab why such a bizzare formula basically its designed to be added into the ops with the idea that a run prevented is as important as a run scored the extra outs are factored into obp while the extra bases removed are factored into slg thats why i used pa and ab as the divisors for more discussion see the post on hits stolen first base 1992 dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball cars re warning please read in article 1r1d62 d6s agate berkeley edu bh anarres cs berkeley edu brian harvey writes rfelix netcom com robbie felix writes how about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local agencies to help children seniors the homeless hear hear thanks robbie you also dont read that much about violence against teenagers such as george bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed iraqi 17 year olds who were trying to surrender with bulldozers on the other hand i think it is true without singling out teenagers for blame that violence is more socially acceptable than it used to be those of us whod like to discourage violence have plenty of work to do with people of all ages i didnt know george could drive a bulldozer guns re bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks in article 1993apr23 151855 7011 starbase trincoll edu writes in article 1r6p8oinn8hi clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras wrote i have not made up my mind about waco but there sure seems to be a group of devoted government following fanatics willing to believe whatever that government wants to tell them without any shred of doubt nor thought of thier own they sure get shrill whenever their belief structure is being shaken kinda reminds you of the bds doesnt it jim go to hell im no government following fanatic your sweeping generalizations evince your own ignorance what were they supposed to do just let him be fuck him fuck the atf too they shouldve done it right the first time joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu this is apparently what passes for intelligent discourse at trinity joe fbi cultist kusmierczak gets angry when its pointed out that the fbi has told him is a lie the mounting evidence is that theyve lied about almost every detail of 4 19 except that they were there what can you expect of cultists like him somebody oughtta burn him out and if hes trapped well good riddance right joe wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu i speak for myself only clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema cars gts headlight covers i have a 90 eagle talon and i wanted a pair of gts headlight covers actually they are turning signal covers since the talons that year had pop up lights i went to a auto shop and bought the tail light blackouts for 45 but they did not have the turning signal covers in stock i asked how much it would be and he told me it would cost me another 40 i thought this was a bit high for two small pieces of plastic can anyone find me a cheaper pair or even a used one jay cadiz cadiz marble rtsg mot com motorola inc arlington heights il medicine re cats and pregnancy hello i heard that a certain disease toxoplasmosys is transmitted by cats which can harm the unborn fetus does anybody know about it is it a problem to have a cat in the same apartment see the rec pets cats faq or any doctor or vet for more information i am not any of the above but we do have a couple of cats it is transmitted through the fecal matter so a pregnant woman should avoid cleaning the cat tray and you should both wash hands before preparing or eating meals the latter is sound advice at any time of course apart from that its no great problem you certainly do not need to get rid of your cats paul paul johnson paj gec mrc co uk tel 44 245 73331 ext 3245 these ideas and others like them can be had gec marconi research is not for 0 02 each from any reputable idealist responsible for my opinions medicine re should i be angry at this doctor report them to your local bbb better business bureau bill claussen medicine selective placebo t russell turpin responds to article by ron roth t t r i dont doubt that the placebo effect is alive and well with t r every medical modality estimated by some to be around 20 t r but why would it be higher with alternative versus conventional t r medicine t t how do you know that it is if you could show this by careful t measurement i suspect you would have a paper worthy of publication t in a variety of medical journals t t russell if you notice the question mark at the end of the sentence i was addressing that very question to that person who has a dog named sugar and a few other people who seem to be of the same opinion i would love to have anyone come up with a study to support their claims that the placebo effect is more prevalent with alternative compared to conventional medicine perhaps the study could also include how patients respond if they are dissatisfied with a conventional versus an alternative doctor i e which practitioner is more likely to get punched in the face when the success of the treatment doesnt meet the expectations of the patient ron rosereader 2 00 p003228 when in doubt make it sound convincing rosemail 2 10 usenet rose media hamilton 416 575 5363 windows bar code fonts i am looking for some bar code fonts especially code 3 of 9 did anybody know any ftp sites or bbs that i can download these types of fonts please email to me if you have any info thanks cars re auto air conditioning without freon in article c5u5fy hvx news cso uiuc edu tspila uxa cso uiuc edu tim spila romulan writes in article 1993apr21 034751 23512 ntuix ntu ac sg mgqlu ntuix ntu ac sg max lu writes we are working on gas solid adsorption air con system for auto applications in this kind of system the energy for regenerating the adsorbent is from the exhaust gas anyone interested in this mail email me or follow up this thread we may have a discussion on prospects of this technology ok ill bite how is this supposed to work tim better still years ago they demonstrated a cold air system which only used air it was called a rovax the unit worked very well the short coming was the seal technology where is it today at guns need info on 43 1 and suicide for refutation the following is quoted from the tail end of a rather condescending article about paxton quigley that appeared in us snooze and world lies sorry i think it was in the wall street journal and was repeated in the colorado peoples daily a student newspaper at the university of colorado at boulder a study of residential gunsot deaths in king county wash found that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner spouse a friend or child than to kill an intruder studies by the western psychiatric institute in pittsburgh found that the mere presence of a gun in the home sharply incresases the likelihood a family member will commit suicide even in the absence of psychiatric illness i have seen these numbers quoted before and i have seen very specific refutation of them quoted as well if someone will be so kind as to email the relevant information i will write a letter to the editor of the co daily which might get published and send a copy to usn wr as well thanx dan dod 202 loki acca nmsu edu liberty or death taylordf ucsu colorado edu send me something even you cant read begin pgp public key block version 2 1 mqcnaitfksqaaaeeakceejwi9f5kmjykp0logc5dghrpbmy2xhoo8kpehmdyuf8a 1bfdqsj53kostz6hroshsdzlvul1 40vpjmmntfr vyz4jvd3rl4iuq2ummmex3m itf3ult8xn v qabsvhcfshvjvk4lf6wosucmo03m2tix31ai7vb0uzo4yxjaaux tcreyw5pzwwgribuyxlsb3igpexva2laywnjys5ubxn1lmvkdt4 s5ib end pgp public key block cars re warning please read rfelix netcom com robbie felix writes how about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local agencies to help children seniors the homeless hear hear thanks robbie you also dont read that much about violence against teenagers such as george bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed iraqi 17 year olds who were trying to surrender with bulldozers on the other hand i think it is true without singling out teenagers for blame that violence is more socially acceptable than it used to be those of us whod like to discourage violence have plenty of work to do with people of all ages guns re nazi memoribilia in article cmay 734085409 helium cmay helium gas uug arizona edu christopher c may writes in 1993apr2 232511 10711 raid dell com mikepb lupus dell com michael p brininstool writes swatikas were also common in american indian markings painted walls etc is it the swastika that is bad just want to back this up with a personal anecdote my grandparents have a navajo rug made in the 1920s which they received in trade from the weaver while living in flagstaff arizona the decorative motif consists of 4 large black swastikas one in each corner whats more the color scheme is black white and red to the casual glance it would undoubtedly appear to be a nazi relic of some kind yet they owned it ten years before hitler and the national socialists came to power as i recall they took it down in the 30s and didnt feel quite right about putting it back up until the 60s it still draws comments from those who dont know what it is having lived played and worked on and near the navajo reservation for a number of years i can confirm this is an ancient pattern found in petroglyphs dated 800 to 1200 years old also the indians never stopped making rugs with this pattern they just stopped selling them after the nazis pre empted the swastika note also that the indian versions use both clockwise and counter clockwise swastikas ob guns its the rare navaho family that doesnt own a rifle they remember being relocated by the us army and dont intend to do it again the hopi on the other hand have a dislike for weapons from my experience perhaps they just hide them better from strangers kirk hays nra life seventh generation the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing edmund burke 1729 1797 baseball re highlights in article 1993apr26 161946 846 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes might i suggest that a more appropriate forum for game by game highlights of a particular team is a mailing list rather than rec sport baseball i looked up might to see why you selected that particular word and discovered the line to express permission liberty probability possibility it also said something about being a polite alternative to may the presence of probability possibility can certainly be used to partially explain your word selection so id say to all extents and purposes yes you might in fact you did not that you were asking me specifically the next question is why would a mailing list be more appropriate we dont all get mailing lists we surely dont all get mailing lists about the teams about which we are most enthused so it seems to me r s baseball is an appropriate place to look for information about teams one doesnt necessarily follow day to day this is not intended as flamage but rather is an attempted answer as you posed your post as a question it bait bait bait bait bait bait bait bait bait bait bait bait bait ba a i b anyone for lemur sooshi t thats sushi learn to spell you pathetic winker baseball re expanded nl strike zone was re a surfeit of offense in article 13247 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes in article 1993apr14 160447 17835 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes we wont really be able to say anything for at least another couple of weeks but so far it looks like a homerific season might the umps be squeezing the strike zone watching the braves on tbs i would have said that the strike zone in the nl has expanded this season specifically it appears that the strike zone has moved above the belt yeah the announcers have commented on that also but it was also my perception however the strike zone hasnt climbed all the way up to the letters its more like a little ways under the letters any other perceptions out there judging by the way the reds pitchers have performed thus far it appears to me that the zone has been squeezed to the size of a grape 1 2 douglas n ritter dougr meaddata com life is short ride hard uunet meaddata dougr cars re too fast in article 1993apr14 152328 15997 magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes there may be a case where a speed limit sign is not necessary but take them away entirely yeah youre right doing away with speed limits would just mean huge tax increases as municipalities tried to make up for the revenue they used to gouge from passing motorists windows re more diamond ss 24x in article 1993apr23 170922 1911 odetics com dale odetics com dale pischke writes in article 1993apr20 195853 16179 samba oit unc edu dil admin mhs unc edu dave laudicina writes has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this card is only in windows i have replaced card and am waiting on latest drivers also have experienced general protection fault errors in wspdpsf drv on winword tools option menu and in winfax setup i had the exact same failure with the 24x and word for windows a quick call to microsoft indicated it was problem with the 24x drivers you need to call diamond and get the new drivers i think version 2 03 fixes the above problem there may be later versions that im unaware of version 2 03 drivers are current steve chesney slc catherine cim cdc com metaphase technology inc 612 482 4662 voice 4233 north lexington avenue 612 482 4001 fax arden hills mn 55126 baseball re binaca blast deep drive derby bbddd returns the engimatic vincent gray writes king cogsci ucsd edu jonathan king writes even less publicized than this however was that the 300 000 didnt come from the padres but from an un named source and that the money didnt go to the blue jays in toronto the money was diverted into a london bank account owned by a shadowy character named vincent gray i should be so lucky the account number must have been rejected oh come on everybody on the net has heard about plausible deniability youre not fooling anybody soon after that gray and palmer sent word to ottawa that canada had achieved absolute superiority over the united states in the field of baseballistic research as she controlled both the acker cook pitch alike contest and the binaca blast research institute the prime minister smiled i hope not to think that i would inadvertantly give any pleasure to mulroney really ruins my day note how quick vince was to make the inference that my post claimed that mulroney was smiling at the baseballistics news this sure looks like guilty knowledge to me realizing the taterific importance of this work john palmer and i concluded that we might be able to pool some resources i e the 300 grand who will be the stars this year can anyone hope to combat brad arnsbergs record start to last year the early money has to be on tom tom bolton who contributed that clutch grandslam in his first appearance but i expect lots of strong contenders this year many of them right here in san diego jking medicine re sumatripton spelling in article 5531 cruzio santa cruz ca us roxannen cruzio santa cruz ca us wrote i recently heard of some testing of a new migraine drug called sumatripton i have no idea of the actual spelling that supposedly utilizes a chemical that trips neuro transmitters my mother has regular migraines and nothing seems to help does anyone know anything about this new drug is it in a testing phaze or anywhere near approval does it seem to be working my girlfriend just started taking this drug for her migranes it really helped her get through the rebound withdrawl when she got off analgesics she doesnt have a mail account but asked me to forward this glaxo is the distributor imitrex is the drugs brand name it works she can call her pharmacy for more info the miracle drug has been used for years in europe and for some time in canada trials in the u s were completed and the drug hit the us market at the end of march some pharmacies dont stock it yet presently it needs to be injected subcutaneously although testing is starting with a nasal spray form it mimics serotonin its molecular structure that fits onto pain receptors looks identical to serotonin on a model i saw opinions are mine or others but definately not mdas lauger ssdgwy mdc com mcdonnell douglas aerospace huntington beach california usa windows re help with winqvt this is the qvthost rc file 137 112 5 2 137 112 199 50 the host file requires the names that youll be using in addition to the ip address sucb as 100 0 0 1 name server name 100 2 2 1 name router name carols ohsu edu windows trumpet for windows other news readers im looking for a decent windows news reader ive given up on winvn 0 76 since it doesnt work very well with the winsock dll of the ibm tcp ip for dos 2 1 what the status of trumpet for windows will it use the windows sockets i liked it in dos but had to abandon it since i started using ndis to access our token ring results in invalid class error bye wim van holder katholieke universiteit leuven tel 32 0 16 28 57 16 departement t e w fax 32 0 16 28 57 99 dekenstraat 2 b 3000 leuven e mail wimvh liris tew kuleuven ac be belgium fdbaq03 cc1 kuleuven ac be baseball re torre the worst manager in article 93095 hydra gatech edu gt7469a prism gatech edu brian r landmann writes joe torre has to be the worst manager in baseball brian a very distressed cardinal fan no hal mcrae is the worst manager in baseball ive never seen a guy who can waste talent like he can one of the best raw talent staffs in the league and hes still finding a way to lose ill be surprised if he makes it through the next 2 weeks unless drastic improvement is made an even more frustrated royals fan darin j keener dak988s vma smsu edu baseball re torre the worst manager in article 93095 hydra gatech edu gt7469a prism gatech edu brian r landmann writes later in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts lankford a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses luis alicea a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter what the hell is he thinking didnt alicea get a hit though see yall at the ballyard go braves chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gt0523e internet gt0523e prism gatech edu guns re blast them next time in article 1r19l9 7dv usenet ins cwru edu oldham ces cwru edu daniel oldham writes what happened in waco is not the fault of the batf if they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened the batf needs more people better weapons and more armored transports when they meet hostile fire they should be able to use more force instead of retreating to a stand off if you are going to do a job then do it right the batf is there to protect us and they must have the proper equipment and people to do the job with the wod and the increased crime in the streets the batf is needed more now then ever if they blast away a few good fokes then that is the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country look at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country of ours with the arms build up in waco they needed to hit that compound with mega fire power they could of gone in there blasting and killed a few women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn to death 51 days later well its said that people get the government they deserve dont worry youll get yours youll sleep much better when everyone with thoughts not on the government approved list is rounded up and executed julie disclaimer all opinions here belong to my cat and no one else baseball re torre the worst manager from another not so distressed but still wondering about a few things cardinal fan in article 93095 hydra gatech edu gt7469a prism gatech edu brian r landmann writes joe torre has to be the worst manager in baseball hes not the greatest this is true for anyone who didnt see sundays game i saw it with a right hander pitching he decides to bench lankform a left handed hitter and play jordan and gilkey both right handers lankford was hurt although the announcer said he told torre he could pinch hit if they needed him to later in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts lankford a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses luis alicea a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter what the hell is he thinking i wondered the same thing but giving joe the benefit of the doubt id say he was thinking that lankford is hurt enough that he didnt trust his ability to bat effectively but he wants his speed on the bases so pinch run him alicea i was completely confused about maybe he had a good record hitting against that particular pitcher i dont know anybody got an idea earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring mark whiten he commented how fortunate the cardinals were to get whiten and that whiten would be a regular even though this meant that gilkey would be hurt but torre said he liked gilkey coming off the bench gilkey hit over 300 last year what does he have to do to start the guy would be starting on most every team in the league well so far i havent seen much to say whiten shouldnt be playing but it is too bad that gilkey is the odd man out when they play jordan ahead of him that i dont quite understand furthermore in sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate the replay showed bucky dent the third base coach looking down the line and waving lankford home yup i looked for this on the replay too if im joe torre im going to have a talk with bucky after the game on that one hes got lankford at third with todd zeile i believe a hot hitter coming up theres no reason to risk giving lankford the go sign in that situation unless he was sure the ball is going to the stands its his job to watch the play develop he should have known larkin was there to back up a bad throw that seemed inexcusable in my book btw i saw dent do the same thing last year with zeile rounding third and going into a sure out at home in a critical situation on the replay theres dent waving him around it looks like this might be a serious problem the cards werent good base runners at all last year and i wonder how much of the fault lies in the base coaching i cant take this anymore well im still hanging in there go redbirds woof woof brian a very distressed cardinal fan brian landmann georgia institute of technology internet gt7469a prism gatech edu dick detweiler rdetweil hpdmd48 boi hp com baseball re tigers i basically agree the tigers are my favorite team actually their pitching might actually be better this year than last not that htats saying a hole lot how bout that home opener on tuesday by the way sparky goes for win 2 000 today baseball re john wetteland derek lilliquist info please with all the recent problems the indians have been having with their pitching staff i have heard numerous names thrown around about who could solve their problem one name i have not heard is mike soper rp as far as i know soper has had pretty good minor league stats why not give the kid a chance anyone know anything about this guy russell peterson everyone believes in something rbp sw stratus com i believe ill have another beer windows re diamond ss24x win 3 1 mouse cursor dabl2 nlm nih gov don a b lindbergh writes in article 1993apr15 204845 24939 nlm nih gov dabl2 nlm nih gov don a b lindbergh writes anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the diamond 1024x768x256 driver sorry dont know the version of the driver no indication in the menus but its a recently delivered gateway system am going to try the latest drivers from diamond bbs but wondered if anyone else had seen this as a followup this is a co workers machine he has the latest 2 03 drivers it only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver sometimes it takes a minute or so for the cursor to wig out but it eventually does in this mode i susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants i excluded a000 c7ff in the emm386 line and in system ini the problem persisted perhaps it is something specific to the gateway machine or its components it is a 66mhz dx 2 eisa bus with an ultrastore 24xx controller ah well i was hoping this was some kind of known problem or somebody had seen it before perhaps a call to gateway is in order but i do find folks here usually are far more in the know i have had several problems with the card applications crashed when moving the mouse vga mode fixed by removing the line stacks 0 0 from config sys the default value stacks 9 256 does just fine random white pixels all over the screen when moving the mouse in a 256 color graphical mode the hardware cursor modes fixed by turning off the hardware scroll 24xmode scrolloff before entering the graphics mode this also fixed the problem of the windowed dos boxes under windows with the hardware scroll enabled applications write garbage outside the window the screensavers do not remove the cursor in 256 color modes hardware cursor i dont know if this is a windows problem or a driver problem clearly there should be two types of cursor removing functions a remove for draw which can be ignored for hardware cursors and a remove unconditionally do other cards with hardware cursors have the same problem the vesa driver does not support the 640x480x16m truecolor mode universal vesa drivers do not run at all disclaimer unless otherwise stated the above comments are entirely my own jan van loenen digital equipment corporation jvl idca tds philips nl hlde01 loenen j religion re what right in article 1993apr24 171130 8975 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee writes in article 1993apr22 133142 23772 ifi uio no joakimr ifi uio no joakim ruud writes recently ive asked myself a rather interesting question what right does god have on our lives always assuming there is a god of course he is god in other words the right of might in his infinite wisdom he made it perfectly clear that if we dont live according to his rules we will burn in hell well with what right can god make that desicion he is god in other words the right of might lets say for the sake of argument that god creates every one of us directly or indirectly it doesnt matter what then happens is that he first creates us and then turns us lose well i didnt ask to be created god granted you the gift of life whether you were sinner or saint in other words he can do it he did it and your in no position to argue about it lets make an analogue if a scientist creates a unique living creature which has happened it was even patented does he then have the right to expect it to behave in a certain matter or die the scientist creates the living creature to examine it poke and prod it and learn about its behaviour he will kill it if it becomes a threat for example lets say the scientist creates a tyrannosaurus rex and it breaks free of its confines and starts devouring the population the scientist would not hesitate in killing it god creates us to be his loving companions he knows whether we are true in our love for him or not and he lets us know the consequences of rejecting him god cannot abide by sin by rejecting god a person becomes an enemy of god one that must be killed by him note i say that god and god alone is worthy to be judge jury and executioner we are not called to carry out such duties because we are not worthy in other words you better do what this god wants you to do or else who is god to impose its rules on us who can tell if god is really so righteous as god likes us to believe are all christians a flock of sheep unable to do otherwise that follow the rest god is god who are we to question the creator if you doubt gods doing in certain situations do you claim to know a better solution would you be playing the role of god in other words its his game he made the rules and if you know whats good for you youll play his game his way guns re with friends like these l neil smith in article c5d05g 6xw undergrad math uwaterloo ca papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca paul prescod writes in article 1993apr10 155819 18237 sco com allanh sco com allan j heim writes look if you can figure out a reliable means of keeping guns away from bad people while not interfering with good people i think wed all be for it the problem is the methods were using now dont do the trick dont manufacture them dont sell them dont import them japan did this it required near total isolation from the rest of the world for 2 centuries some guns will get through but far fewer and far less people will die because of them hunting weapons could be allowed of course as long as they are big and bulky and require reloading after a few shots how many times can you shoot at the same animal anyways one assumes they are moving hunting weapons are great for extortionist sharpshooters send me money or else ill pick you off from 2 miles away tim starr renaissance now assistant editor freedom network news the newsletter of isil the international society for individual liberty 1800 market st san francisco ca 94102 415 864 0952 fax 415 864 7506 71034 2711 compuserve com think universally act selfishly starr genie slhs udel edu medicine hicn610 medical newsletter part 2 4 cut here hicnet medical newsletter page 13 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 gonorrhea colorado 1985 1992 source mmwr 42 14 date apr 16 1993 the number of reported cases of gonorrhea in colorado increased 19 9 from 1991 to 1992 after declining steadily during the 1980s in comparison in the united states reported cases of gonorrhea in 1992 continued an overall decreasing trend 1 this report summarizes an analysis of the increase in gonorrhea in colorado in 1992 and characterizes trends in the occurrence of this disease from 1985 through 1992 in 1992 4679 cases of gonorrhea were reported to the colorado department of health cdh compared with 3901 cases reported in 1991 during 1992 reported cases increased 22 7 and 17 5 among females and males respectively table 1 similar increases occurred among blacks whites and hispanics 15 6 15 1 and 15 9 respectively however the number of reported cases with race not specified increased 88 from 1991 to 1992 and constituted 9 7 of all reported cases in 1992 although the largest proportional increases by age groups occurred among persons aged 35 44 years 80 4 and greater than or equal to 45 years 87 7 these age groups accounted for only 11 0 of all reported cases in 1992 persons in the 15 19 year age group accounted for the largest number of reported cases of gonorrhea during 1992 and the highest age group specific rate 639 per 100 000 reported cases of gonorrhea increased 32 9 in the five county denver metropolitan area 1990 population 1 629 466 but decreased elsewhere in the state table 1 half the cases of gonorrhea in the denver metropolitan area occurred in 8 4 34 of the census tracts these represent neighborhoods considered by sexually transmitted diseases stds acquired immunodeficiency syndrome aids field staff to be the focus of gang and drug activity when compared with 1991 the number of gonorrhea cases diagnosed among men in the denver metro health clinic dmhc the primary public std clinic in the denver metropolitan area increased 33 in 1992 and the number of visits by males to the clinic increased 2 4 concurrently the number of cases diagnosed among women increased by 1 among self identified heterosexual men the number of gonorrhea cases diagnosed at dmhc increased 33 and comprised 94 of all cases diagnosed in males while the number of cases diagnosed among self identified homosexual men remained low 71 and 74 in 1991 and 1992 respectively four selected laboratories in the metropolitan denver area i e hmo university hospital nonprofit family planning and commercial were contacted to determine whether gonorrhea culture positivity rates increased gonorrhea culture positivity rates in three of four laboratories contacted increased 23 33 from 1991 to 1992 while the rate was virtually unchanged in the fourth i e nonprofit family planning from 1985 through 1991 reported cases of gonorrhea among whites and hispanics in colorado decreased in comparison reported cases among blacks hicnet medical newsletter page 14 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 increased since 1988 figure 1 during 1988 1992 the population in colorado increased 9 9 for blacks 9 8 for hispanics and 4 5 for whites in 1992 the gonorrhea rate for blacks 1935 per 100 000 persons was 57 times that for whites 34 per 100 000 and 12 times that for hispanics 156 per 100 000 table 1 among black females reported cases of gonorrhea increased from 1988 through 1992 in the 15 19 year age group among black males cases increased from 1989 through 1992 in both the 15 19 and 20 24 year age groups reported by ka gershman md jm finn ne spencer msph std aids program re hoffman md state epidemiologist colorado dept of health jm douglas md denver dept of health and hospitals surveillance and information systems br div of sexually transmitted diseases and hiv prevention national center for prevention svcs cdc editorial note the increase in reported gonorrhea cases in colorado in 1992 may represent an overall increase in the occurrence of this disease or more complete reporting stimulated by visitations to laboratories by cdh surveillance staff during 1991 1992 the increases in confirmed gonorrhea cases at dmhc and in culture positivity rates in three of four laboratories suggest a real increase in gonorrhea rather than a reporting artifact however the stable culture positivity rate in the nonprofit family planning laboratory which serves a network of clinics statewide indicates that the gonorrhea increase did not uniformly affect all segments of the population one possible explanation for the increased occurrence of gonorrhea in colorado may be gang and drug related sexual behavior as implicated in a recent outbreak of drug resistant gonorrhea and other stds in colorado springs 2 although the high morbidity census tracts in the denver metropolitan area coincide with areas of gang and drug activity this hypothesis requires further assessment to examine the possible role of drug use implicated previously as a factor contributing to the national increase in syphilis 3 6 the cdh std aids program is collecting information from all persons in whom gonorrhea is diagnosed regarding drug use exchange of sex for money or drugs and gang affiliation the gonorrhea rate for blacks in colorado substantially exceeds the national health objective for the year 2000 1300 per 100 000 objective 19 1a 7 race is likely a risk marker rather than a risk factor for gonorrhea and other stds risk markers may be useful for identifying groups at greatest risk for stds and for targeting prevention efforts moreover race specific variation in std rates may reflect differences in factors such as socioeconomic status access to medical care and high risk behaviors in response to the increased occurrence of gonorrhea in colorado interventions initiated by the cdh std aids program include 1 targeting partner notification in the denver metropolitan area to persons in groups at increased risk e g 15 19 year old black females and 20 24 year old black males 2 implementing a media campaign e g public service radio hicnet medical newsletter page 15 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 announcements signs on city buses newspaper advertisements and posters in schools and clinics to promote awareness of std risk and prevention targeted primarily at high risk groups and 3 developing teams of peer educators to perform educational outreach in high risk neighborhoods the educational interventions are being developed and implemented with the assistance of members of the target groups and with input from a forum of community leaders and health care providers references 1 cdc table ii cases of selected notifiable diseases united states weeks ending december 26 1992 and december 28 1991 52nd week mmwr 1993 41 975 2 cdc gang related outbreak of penicillinase producing neisseria gonorrhoeae and other sexually transmitted diseases colorado springs colorado 1989 1991 mmwr 1993 42 25 8 3 cdc relationship of syphilis to drug use and prostitution connecticut and philadelphia pennsylvania mmwr 1988 37 755 8 764 4 rolfs rt goldberg m sharrar rg risk factors for syphilis cocaine use and prostitution am j public health 1990 80 853 7 5 andrus jk fleming dw harger dr et al partner notification can it control epidemic syphilis ann intern med 1990 112 539 43 6 gershman ka rolfs rt diverging gonorrhea and syphilis trends in the 1980s are they real am j public health 1991 81 1263 7 7 public health service healthy people 2000 national health promotion and disease prevention objectives full report with commentary washington dc us department of health and human services public health service 1991 dhhs publication no phs 91 50212 hicnet medical newsletter page 16 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 effectiveness in disease and injury prevention impact of adult safety belt use on restraint use among children less than 11 years of age selected states 1988 and 1989 source mmwr 42 14 date apr 16 1993 motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death among children and young adults in the united states and account for more than 1 million years of potential life lost before age 65 annually 1 child safety seats and safety belts can substantially reduce this loss 2 from 1977 through 1985 all 50 states passed legislation requiring the use of child safety seats or safety belts for children although these laws reduce injuries to young children by an estimated 8 59 3 4 motor vehicle crash related injuries remain a major cause of disability and death among u s children 1 while the use of occupant restraints among children decreases inversely with age 84 usage for those aged 0 4 years 57 aged 5 11 years and 29 aged 12 18 years 5 in addition parents who do not use safety belts themselves are less likely to use restraints for their children 6 to characterize the association between adult safety belt use and adult reported consistent use of occupant restraints for the youngest child aged less than 11 years within a household cdc analyzed data obtained from the behavioral risk factor surveillance system brfss during 1988 and 1989 this report summarizes the findings from this study data were available for 20 905 respondents aged greater than or equal to 18 years in 11 states that participated in brfss a population based random digit dialed telephone survey and administered a standard injury control and child safety module developed by cdc of these respondents 5499 26 had a child aged less than 11 years in their household each respondent was asked to specify the childs age and the frequency of restraint use for that child the two categories of child restraint and adult safety belt use in this analysis were 1 consistent use i e always buckle up and 2 less than consistent use i e almost always sometimes rarely or never buckle up data were weighted to provide estimates representative of each state software for survey data analysis sudaan 7 was used to calculate point estimates and confidence intervals statistically significant differences were defined by p values of less than 0 05 each of the 11 states had some type of child restraint law of these six arizona kentucky maine nebraska rhode island and west virginia had no law requiring adults to use safety belts four idaho maryland pennsylvania and washington had a secondary enforcement mandatory safety belt law i e a vehicle had to be stopped for a traffic violation before a citation for nonuse of safety belts could be issued and one state new york had a primary enforcement mandatory safety belt law i e vehicles could be stopped for a safety belt law violation alone in nine states child passenger protection hicnet medical newsletter page 17 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 laws included all children aged less than 5 years but the other two states used both age and size of the child as criteria for mandatory restraint use the analysis in this report subgrouped states into 1 those having a law requiring adult safety belt use law states and 2 those without such a law no law states overall 21 of children aged less than 11 years reportedly were not consistently restrained during automobile travel both child restraint use and adult restraint use were significantly higher p less than 0 05 chi square test in law states than in no law states 81 1 versus 74 3 and 58 7 versus 43 2 respectively high rates of restraint use for children aged less than or equal to 1 year were reported by both adults indicating consistent and less than consistent safety belt use figure 1 adults with consistent use reported high rates of child occupant restraint use regardless of the childs age range 95 5 for 1 year olds to 84 7 for 10 year olds in comparison for adults reporting less than consistent safety belt use the rate of child occupant restraint use declined sharply by the age of the child range 93 1 for 1 year olds to 28 8 for 10 year olds when comparing children of consistent adult safety belt users with children of less than consistent adult safety belt users 95 confidence intervals overlap for the two youngest age groups i e aged less than 1 and 1 year reported child occupant restraint use in law states generally exceeded that in no law states regardless of age of child table 1 in addition higher adult educational attainment was significantly associated with increased restraint use for children a factor that has also been associated with increased adult safety belt use 8 reported by national center for injury prevention and control national center for chronic disease prevention and health promotion cdc editorial note the findings in this report are consistent with others indicating that adults who do not use safety belts themselves are less likely to employ occupant restraints for their children 6 9 because these nonbelted adults are at increased risk of crashing and more likely to exhibit other risk taking behaviors children traveling with them may be at greater risk for motor vehicle injury 10 educational attainment of adult respondents was inversely associated with child restraint use in this report accordingly occupant protection programs should be promoted among parents with low educational attainment because low educational attainment is often associated with low socioeconomic status such programs should be offered to adults through health care facilities that serve low income communities or through federal programs i e head start that are directed at parents with young children injury prevention programs emphasize restraining young children in addition however efforts must be intensified to protect child occupants as hicnet medical newsletter page 18 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 they become older parents especially those with low educational attainment those who do not consistently wear safety belts and those from states that do not have mandatory safety belt use laws should be encouraged to wear safety belts and to protect their children by using approved child safety seats and safety belts finally the increased use of restraints among children may increase their likelihood of using safety belts when they become teenagers the age group characterized by the lowest rate of safety belt use and the highest rate of fatal crashes 5 references 1 cdc childhood injuries in the united states am j dis child 1990 144 627 46 2 partyka sc papers on child restraints effectiveness and use washington dc us department of transportation national highway traffic safety administration 1988 report no dot hs 807 286 3 guerin d mackinnon d an assessment of the california child passenger restraint requirement am j public health 1985 75 142 4 4 hall w orr b suttles d et al progress report on increasing child restraint usage through local education and distribution programs chapel hill north carolina university of north carolina at chapel hill highway safety research center 1983 5 national highway traffic safety administration occupant protection trends in 19 cities washington dc us department of transportation national highway traffic safety administration 1991 6 wagenaar ac molnar lj margolis lh characteristics of child safety seat users accid anal prev 1988 20 311 22 7 shah bv barnwell bg hunt pn lavange lm software for survey data analysis sudaan version 5 50 software documentation research triangle park north carolina research triangle institute 1991 8 lund ak voluntary seat belt use among u s drivers geographic socioeconomic and demographic variation accid anal prev 1986 18 43 50 9 margolis lh wagenaar ac molnar lj use and misuse of automobile child restraint devices am j dis child 1992 146 361 6 10 hunter ww stutts jc stewart jr rodgman ea characteristics of seatbelt users and non users in a state with a mandatory use law health education hicnet medical newsletter page 19 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 research 1990 5 161 73 arizona idaho kentucky maine maryland nebraska new york pennsylvania rhode island washington and west virginia hicnet medical newsletter page 20 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 publication of cdc surveillance summaries source mmwr 42 14 date apr 16 1993 since 1983 cdc has published the cdc surveillance summaries under separate cover as part of the mmwr series each report published in the cdc surveillance summaries focuses on public health surveillance surveillance findings are reported for a broad range of risk factors and health conditions summaries for each of the reports published in the most recent march 19 1993 issue of the cdc surveillance summaries 1 are provided below all subscribers to mmwr receive the cdc surveillance summaries as well as the mmwr recommendations and reports as part of their subscriptions surveillance for and comparison of birth defect prevalences in two geographic areas united states 1983 88 problem condition cdc and some states have developed surveillance systems to monitor the birth prevalence of major defects reporting period covered this report covers birth defects surveillance in metropolitan atlanta georgia and selected jurisdictions in california for the years 1983 1988 description of system the california birth defects monitoring program and the metropolitan atlanta congenital defects program are two population based surveillance systems that employ similar data collection methods the prevalence estimates for 44 diagnostic categories were based on data for 1983 1988 for 639 837 births in california and 152 970 births in metropolitan atlanta the prevalences in the two areas were compared adjusting for race sex and maternal age by using poisson regression results regional differences in the prevalence of aortic stenosis fetal alcohol syndrome hip dislocation dysplasia microcephalus obstruction of the kidney ureter and scoliosis lordosis may be attributable to general diagnostic variability however differences in the prevalences of arm hand limb reduction encephalocele spina bifida or trisomy 21 down syndrome are probably not attributable to differences in ascertainment because these defects are relatively easy to diagnose interpretation regional differences in prenatal diagnosis and pregnancy termination may affect prevalences of trisomy 21 and spina bifida however the reason for differences in arm hand reduction is unknown but may be related to variability in environmental exposure heterogeneity in the gene pool or random variation actions taken because of the similarities of these data bases several collaborative studies are being implemented in particular the differences in the birth prevalence of spina bifida and down syndrome will focus attention on the impact of prenatal diagnosis authors jane schulman ph d nancy hicnet medical newsletter page 21 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 jensvold m p h gary m shaw dr p h california birth defects monitoring program march of dimes birth defects foundation larry d edmonds m s p h anne b mcclearn division of birth defects and developmental disabilities national center for environmental health cdc influenza united states 1988 89 problem condition cdc monitors the emergence and spread of new influenza virus variants and the impact of influenza on morbidity and mortality annually from october through may reporting period covered this report covers u s influenza surveillance conducted from october 1988 through may 1989 description of system weekly reports from the vital statistics offices of 121 cities provided an index of influenzas impact on mortality 58 who collaborating laboratories reported weekly identification of influenza viruses weekly morbidity reports were received both from the state and territorial epidemiologists and from 153 sentinel family practice physicians nonsystematic reports of outbreaks and unusual illnesses were received throughout the year results during the 1988 89 influenza season influenza a h1n1 and b viruses were identified in the united states with essentially equal frequency overall although both regional and temporal patterns of predominance shifted over the course of the season throughout the season increases in the indices of influenza morbidity in regions where influenza a h1n1 predominated were similar to increases in regions where influenza b predominated only 7 of identified viruses were influenza a h3n2 but isolations of this subtype increased as the season waned and it subsequently predominated during the 1989 90 season during the 1988 89 season outbreaks in nursing homes were reported in association with influenza b and a h3n2 but not influenza a h1n1 interpretation the alternating temporal and geographic predominance of influenza strains a h1n1 and b during the 1988 89 season emphasizes the importance of continual attention to regional viral strain surveillance since amantadine is effective only for treatment and prophylaxis of influenza a actions taken weekly interim analyses of surveillance data produced throughout the season allow physicians and public health officials to make informed choices regarding appropriate use of amantadine cdcs annual surveillance allows the observed viral variants to be assessed as candidates for inclusion as components in vaccines used in subsequent influenza seasons authors louisa e chapman m d m s p h epidemiology activity office of the director division of viral and rickettsial diseases national center for infectious diseases margaret a tipple m d division of quarantine national center for prevention services cdc suzanne gaventa folger m p h health investigations branch division of health studies agency for toxic substances and disease registry maurice harmon ph d connaught hicnet medical newsletter page 22 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 laboratories pasteur mirieux company swiftwater pennsylvania alan p kendal ph d european regional office world health organization copenhagen denmark nancy j cox ph d influenza branch division of viral and rickettsial diseases national center for infectious diseases lawrence b schonberger m d m p h epidemiology activity office of the director division of viral and rickettsial diseases national center for infectious diseases cdc reference 1 cdc cdc surveillance summaries march 19 mmwr 1993 42 no ss 1 hicnet medical newsletter page 23 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 clinical research news clinical research news for arizona physicians vol 4 no 4 april 1993 tucson arizona published monthly by the office of public affairs at the university of arizona health sciences center copyright 1993 the university of arizona high tech assisted reproductive technologies following the birth of the first in vitro fertilization embryo transfer ivf et baby in 1978 a host of assisted reproductive technologies have been developed that include ivf et gamete intrafallopian tube transfer gift embryo cryopreservation freezing and gamete micromanipulation together these technologies are referred to as the high tech assisted reproductive technology art procedures ovulation induction sperm insemination and surgery for tubal disease and or pathology still are the mainstays of the therapies available for infertility management however when these fail it almost always is appropriate to proceed with one of the art procedures therefore in addition to a comprehensive basic and general infertility service at the university of arizona center for reproductive endocrinology and infertility there is a program of assisted reproduction that specializes in art procedures this program serves as a tertiary provider for those patients in the state of arizona whose infertility problems cannot be resolved by the traditional therapies the following article on back describes the art procedures available in our center clarifies appropriate applications for each and considers the realistic expectations for their success procedures included are o in vitro o fertilization embryo transfer ivf et gamete intrafallopian tube transfer o gift cryopreservation of human embryos and gamete micromanipulation this article also considers ongoing research in our program that is directed towards improved success of these technologies hicnet medical newsletter page 24 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 future areas of research in addition to ongoing research that is directed exclusively toward the management of infertile couples we are developing the technology to assist couples who are at risk for producing embryos with a serious hereditary disease this technology involves biopsying the preimplantation human embryo and then subjecting the biopsied cells to genetic analysis using either dna amplification or fluorescent in situ hybridization there are recent reports of the successful application of dna amplification by other centers for example for diagnosis of the genes for cystic fibrosis and hemophilia we hope to apply and further focus fluorescent in situ hybridization technology for probing the x chromosome the identification of which will provide a scientific basis for counselling patients who exhibit sex linked disorders the considerable clinical application of such technology lies in the fact that it circumvents the need for prenatal diagnosis in addition to the possibility of a subsequent termination of affected fetuses in order to avoid the birth of affected children catherine racowsky ph d associate professor and director of research department of obstetrics and gynecology college of medicine university of arizona tucson arizona applications success rates and advances for the management of infertility the following are the art procedures available at the university of arizona center for reproductive endocrinology and infertility in vitro fertilization embryo transfer is the core art procedure of our assisted reproduction program this procedure involves retrieval of unfertilized eggs from the ovary their insemination in vitro in a dish and the culture of resultant embryos for 1 or 2 days before they are transferred to the patients uterus all cultures are maintained in an incubator under strictly controlled atmospheric and temperature conditions before being processed for use in insemination semen samples are evaluated in our andrology laboratory using both subjective light microscopy and computer hicnet medical newsletter page 25 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 assisted semen analyses to ensure an adequate number of eggs with which to perform ivf et or indeed gift follicular development is typically stimulated with gonadotropins perganol metrodin gonadotropin releasing hormone gnrh factrel lutrepulse and or gnrh analogues lupron depo lupron synarel occasionally however ivf et is accomplished with eggs obtained in non stimulated cycles while some programs utilize laparoscopic egg retrieval in the operating room with the patient under general anesthesia we undertake the less costly approach of ultrasound guided retrieval in our infertility unit with the patient sedated couples who resort to ivf et exhibit such pathologies as tubal deficiencies ovulatory dysfunction endometriosis and or mild forms of male factor infertility according to the united states ivf registry the overall success rate for ivf et nationwide has stabilized at about 14 percent per cycle results from our program involving 86 patients who have undergone 173 ivf et cycles reflect a comparable success rate nevertheless the overall incidence of success with this procedure is disconcertingly low and emphasizes the need to address those physiological factors that limit achievement of a higher percentage of pregnancies well recognized predictors of outcome include patient age response to exogenous ovarian stimulation quality of sperm and number of repeated ivf et cycle attempts however among these age is the single most significant determinant of conception therefore it is critical that such patients are referred to an assisted reproduction program at the earliest opportunity following failure of traditional therapies the underlying basis for the negative effect of age on fertility has not been clearly delineated beyond recognition that 1 the number of eggs available for retrieval declines markedly with age 2 fertilization rates significantly decrease in eggs retrieved from patients who are over 40 years and 3 provided the appropriate hormonal background is present age is unrelated to uterine competency to sustain pregnancy ongoing research in our center therefore is investigating physiological changes in the egg that may be impacted by age we have determined that more than 50 percent of eggs that fail to fertilize in vitro are chromosomally abnormal and that a significant proportion of these abnormalities are accountable to patient age currently the only recourse for such patients is to use eggs obtained from a donor our program has initiated recruitment of volunteer egg donors to satisfy the needs of a list of recipients interested in this form of therapy gift this high tech art procedure is performed in the operating room usually with the use of a laparoscope and in contrast to ivf et involves introducing sperm and freshly retrieved eggs into the lumen of the fallopian tube an average of 3 eggs tube under these circumstances fertilization occurs in vivo and if excess eggs are retrieved the remainder undergo ivf with subsequent options for embryo transfer in that cycle or freezing for transfer in a subsequent cycle this art procedure is applied to cases in hicnet medical newsletter page 26 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 which there is at least one patent fallopian tube but the couple has such pathologies as ovulatory dysfunction endometriosis male factor infertility and or idiopathic infertility the data reported in the united states ivf registry for 1985 through 1990 indicate that the overall success rate with gift is higher than that obtained with the ivf et technique range of clinical pregnancies for gift is 24 to 36 percent and for ivf et 14 to 18 percent in view of this fact one might expect more patients to be treated with gift than ivf et however in our program we have taken into account three basic concerns which while substantially reducing the number of gift cycles performed benefit the patient these concerns are 1 the increased costs associated with performing a procedure in the operating room 2 the risks albeit minimal of undergoing general anesthesia and 3 the considerable benefits to be accrued from obtaining direct information on the quality and fertilizability of the eggs and the developmental competency of resultant embryos the increased success with gift undoubtedly reflects the artificial environment provided by the laboratory in the ivf et procedure between january 1 1991 and december 31 1992 we have performed a total of 12 gift cycles with an overall success rate of 20 percent embryo cryopreservation or freezing is applied in our program when embryos result from residual gift eggs or from non transferred ivf embryos this procedure not only provides patients with a subsequent opportunity for success at much reduced costs but also circumvents the legal and ethical issues relating to disposal of supernumerary embryos therefore as stipulated by the american fertility society ethical guidelines for art programs from both a practical and an ethical standpoint all assisted reproduction programs should have the capability of cryopreserving human embrys gamete micromanipulation this art procedure which is still very new is applied to couples who are unaccepting of insemination with donor semen but who have severe male factor infertility less than 10 million sperm ml in combination with fewer than 20 perccent motile sperm and or less than 10 percent sperm with normal morphology we are currently developing the procedure of sub zonal insertion szi which entails injecting sperm under the coating around the egg the barrier normally penetrated by the sperm through enzymatic digestion available data from szi programs world wide indicate that only 5 to 10 percent of szi cycles result in a pregnancy this statistic undoubtedly relates to limitations imposed by abnormalities inherent in the sperm therefore we are currently focusing on the development of improved techniques for the recognition and selection of sperm chosen for manipulation such efforts are unquestionably worthwhile in view of the fact that this technology offers the only realistic opportunity for severe male factor patients to establish conception catherine racowsky ph d hicnet medical newsletter page 27 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 associate professor and director of research department of obstetrics and gynecology college of medicine end of part 2 internet david stat com fax 1 602 451 1165 bitnet atw1h asuacad fidonet 1 114 15 amateur packet ax25 wb7tpy wb7tpy az usa na baseball re wfan in article c5jc3z knd news udel edu philly ravel udel edu robert c hite writes from philly ravel udel edu robert c hite subject re wfan date thu 15 apr 1993 17 19 09 gmt in article 1993apr15 151202 3551 virginia edu jja2h virginia edu writes does any one out there listen to wfan for those of you who do not know what i am talking about it is an all sports radio staion in new york on a clear night the signal reaches up and down the east coast in particular i want to know how len berman and mike lupicas show is i go to school in virginia so i cant listen when there are on during the day just wondering the fan is an okay sports radio station but doesnt come close to the ultimate in sports radio 610 wip in philadelphia the signal might not be as powerful but then again only stations in new york feel obligated to pollute everyone elses airwaves with a bunch of hoodlum mets fans complaining 24 hours a day wip took two of your best sports jockeys too jody macdonald and steve fredericks 610 wip is rockin with sports talk from 5 30 am till midnight check it out anytime your within a few hours of philadelphia if im not mistaken wip has the highest sports talk ratings in the nation im from dallas and you have alot of nerve saying that wfan has a bunch of hoodlum mets fans during the football season the local cowboy station here had the wip on several times for simultanious broadcasts i have never heard a bigger bunch of low intellect bed wetting obnoxious woofing cranial deformed assholes in my entire life the iq of the average eagles fan must be in the 10 15 range at best and they have been known to be big droolers please no flames lets see if it works for me bob kevin p kerr kkerr mkcase1 dseg ti com s a b r member since 92 go yankees go dolphins strolling through cyberspace sniffing the electric wind baseball re notes on jays vs indians series in article 8966 blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu david m tate writes substituting irony for brains bruce klopfenstein said dtate pitt edu david m tate writes of course they left rbis off were comparing alomar the individual with baerga the individual so only individual stats count i forgot most runs are scored by players stealing home so rbi dont count for anything uh right you also forgot that you cant get an rbi barring a hr with nobody on base what fraction of all runs come on solo hr most runs are scored because there happened to be players on base when the batter did something good i use the phrase happened to be advisedly lots of people have tried to figure out who the players are who have the most ability to turn it up a notch in clutch rbi whatever situations and what theyve found is that there is no evidence that anyone has such an ability to any measurable extent there are no clutch hitters people who tend to do things that would cause an rbi if there were somebody on base end up getting rbis proportional to how many of their teammates obliged by being in position my mistake i agree me too rbi are a worthless stat of course so is stolen bases because sometimes runners are in front of a player that would otherwise run and of course pitchers pitch differently with different people on different bases so batting average slugging and obp out too hmmm i guess homers would not count then either my point rbi might not be a perfect stat but nothing is and no stat or lack of can tell me there are no clutch hitters maybe no stat can tell me either but some people are i just know it 8 ed o cars re its a rush was re too fast in article 20apr199310391109 csa3 lbl gov jtchew csa3 lbl gov ad absurdum per aspera writes wharf wrat rites they were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 i forget the exact spec but for military vehicles thats 80 in a 1958 dodge powerwagon not 80 in a 1993 ford taurus ever once in a while you still see a reference to the super slab system as interstate and defense highways but whether the military has much of anything that goes 80 on the road is another matter a few of their most whomped up diesel trucks maybe load permitting the military surplus stuff ive driven jeep classic willys kaiser amc pre independent suspension and power wagons slant 6 in a crew cab pickup actually ive heard that some m1 abrams tank commanders take the governers off their turbine engines and can acheive 90mph on a paved road never seen it myself but i believe it werent exactly congenial at highway speeds and i wouldnt swear any of them would do 80 except as a bedload on a semi stuff deleted joe just another personal opinion from the peoples republic of berkeley 85 mustang gt bob pitas ush 14 13 99 8 bpita ctp com up at ned epping nh cambridge ma geddy lee in yyz disclaimer these opinions are mine obviously since they end with my sig medicine re ob gyn residency in article 1r12bv 55e terminator rs itd umich edu donald mackie med umich edu donald mackie writes fmgs who are not citizens are like all aliens in a difficult situation only citizens get to vote here so non citizens are of little or no interest to legislators also the non citizen may well be in the middle of processing for resident alien status there is a stron sense that rocking the boat eg suing a residency program will delay the granting of that status perhaps for ever one should be aware that foreign doctors admitted for training are ineligible to apply for resident alien status in order to get the green card they have to return to their country and apply at the embassy there of course many somehow get around this problem often it is by agreeing to practice in a town with a need and then the congressman from that district tacks a rider onto a bill saying dr x will be allowed to have permanent residency in the us a lot of bills in congress have such riders attached to them marrying a us citizen is the most common although now they are even cracking down on that and trying to tell us citizens they must follow their spouse back to the phillipines or whereever gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon guns take the waco quiz impress your friends win valuable cash prizes the waco quiz what would you do in the following hypothetical situations you have committed no crime the batf conducts a no knock raid a hands in air say do you have a warrant think of hefty suit settlement b say you have 1 second to identify yourself as a cop or i shoot c shoot heck at least in federal prison you might get to have sex you have killed federal agents they blast strange music at you a come out with hands up i wish to turn states evidence hope deals good b wait figuring other federal agents will get bored and go on vacation c wait if they come after you there will be a chance to kill more g men the fbi has you surrounded asks you to come out immediately a come out figuring long prison term is chance to catch up on some writing b stall you just cant concentrate when youre on trial for some reason c decide to write novel length prophecy now while ideas are fresh in mind fbi calls and says they will use tear gas if you dont come out a come out with hands up your radical bro in law hated getting gassed at uc b get out your gas mask really these feds will have to give up eventually c shoot at vehicles delivering tear gas its rude to break down a mans door fbi calls and says they will use tanks to break down your walls a come out with your hands up flimsy cardboard construction wont last long b with presence of mind move flammable devices away from tinder dry haybales c spread some kerosene around and hit a match big schwarzenegger ending points are awarded in the following manner 0 points for every a answer 1 points for every b answer and 2 points for every c answer count em up and compare with your friends if you answered a all the time you are probably in jail but alive if you answered b all the time you may still be holed up in your compound if you answered c all the time you are probably dead feel free to copy this and distribute to your friends the koresh cult standoff is over may his victims recquiescat in pace the above is a net moment of silence daniel a hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask me about rotaract baseball ron gant stalling and hirschbeck dale seer stephenson writes while i can see why they want to cut down on the time spent walking around gant wasnt ordered back in the box sooner he was ordered back immediately as soon as he stepped out hirschbeck told him to get back in the box now gant doesnt take a lot of walks between pitches the only reason he did then because he was very bothered by the call i expect his concentration wasnt there yet and in a crucial situation i imagine its best to be as calm as possible contributing factors would be gants bad day at the plate bad year at the plate and the braves long scoring drought and it is not hirschbecks job to help gant with any of these difficulties if gant cant gather his concentration for whatever reason that just makes him all the more meat in the batters box the umpires job is to maintain flow of play gant is not entitled to time to regather his faculties nor is anyone else now its pretty stupid to go ahead and talk the walk when the umpire is telling you to get in there you know the umpire is going to do something call for a strike throw you out etc gant was wrong absolutely i think itd be more accurate to say gant was foolish but hirschbeck was more wrong in my biased view aside from the major chip he seemed to have on his shoulder what was the problem gant had a reason to want some time disputed strike call if a disputed strike call is ample reason for a timeout games would last about nine fifteen weeks if jack morris or dave whiner stieb were pitching a disputed strike call is not sufficient for a time out suck it up get back in the box and never badmouth the blue theyre not going to change their mind and youre just going to come across as a pinhead which wont help you with the borderline calls ftr i never speak to umpires when i dont know them personally nor do i glance at them or react to calls as a result i think i get more than my fair share of borderline calls at the plate because i have a rep of having a good eye actually there are a lot of negative connotations that go with that rep including copious questions about my masculinity party affiliation and sexual preference gant hadnt been wasting time all game the game had been cruising along and was just over two hours old irrelevant he was wasting time then the score was 1 0 with 2 outs in the ninth and a runner in scoring position is there any reason hirschbeck couldnt and shouldnt cut gant a little slack 1 because its not his job 2 because setting the precedent of cutting slack there can easily extend to those 3 hour games kind of like the phantom dp for no discernible constructive reason hirschbeck disrupted the game caused a five minute delay and materially hurt the batter in a key situation did he have a date to get to gant hurt himself and the braves disrupted the game your biases are exposed and im sitting here defending umpires and the sf giants which is like phyllis schlafly defending gary segura jack kevorkian and the swedish abortion team and i still wonder why terry was tossed earlier in the game i believe terry said the magic word there are some truly quick ways to get tossed from a ballgame for a primer email me good ways to get tossed from a game 1 ask ken kaiser if he got his money back from nutri system 2 kiss rich garcia on the lips and say hi honey im home 3 goose eric gregg 4 ask bruce froemming if his parents had any children that lived 5 get naked source the greg spira book of diamond ettiquette as told to peter gammons 1991 collier press gary huckabay outside that was right down the bleedin pipe balder than any kenny i realize i dont have great control but dave on the net cmon gary that was a styrofoam cup the really plates a foot to your right throw the ball religion re question for those with popular morality paul hudson jr hudson athena cs uga edu writes i was not directly going to come up with a moral argument for the existence of god rather i was trying to show the absurdity of atheistic materialist relatavists trying to embrace some common moral system as though it were absolute man knows in his heart that there is right and wrong we have all inherited this knowledge no matter how absurd it is to suggest that a common moral system created by mankind is absolute it is not contrary to reason to suggest that a common moral system created by mankind is sensible in fact for the bible to be of any use to mankind as a moral code it must be interpreted by mankind and a workable moral system created for everyday use the jewish talmud is the result of centuries of biblical scholars analysing every word of the torah to understand the morality behind it the children of israel were given a very strict set of moral civil judicial and ceremonial laws to follow and yet this was clearly not enough to cover every instance of moral dilemma in their society for a christian the situation is no better it seems to me that the only code of morality that we have from the judeo christian god is that which is contained in the bible which we can see from the diverse opinions in the christian newsgroups is not clear there may well be an absolute morality defined by the judeo christian god for mankind to follow but it seems that we only have a subset simply because the concept was written down by man this leads to the problem of defining morality for our society if we take the divine morality then we have a code of practice which may be interpreted in many different ways as an example consider the immolation of heretics in the fifteenth century and the interpretation of the bible which allows a man to do that to another man under the precept to administer justice if we take an agnostic morality then we have a code of practice that can be modified to suit society with all the danger that this implies alternatively we could take the basis of the judeo christian morality and interpret extend this to create and justify a code of morality which suits the society we live in and enables the people to live righteously as many christian and non christian philosophers have done whatever the driving force behind the definition of morality for our society i think the important aspect is the result david on religion oh where is the sea the fishes cried as they swam its clearness through medicine re pregnency without sex in article c63zf3 7n5 mentor cc purdue edu scheiber sage cc purdue edu jennifer scheiber writes in article 10030 blue cis pitt edu kxgst1 pitt edu kenneth gilbert writes sounds to me like someone was pulling your leg there is only one way for pregnancy to occur intercourse these days however there is also artificial insemination and implantation techniques but were speaking of natural acts here it is possible for pregnancy to occur if semen is deposited just outside of the vagina i e coitus interruptus but thats about at far as you can get through clothes no way better go talk to your biology teacher what is the likely hood of conception if sperm is deposited just outside the vagina ie chance hmmm i really dont know probably quite low overall why dont we get a couple hundred willing couples together and find out kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer windows workspace managers for win 3 1 a small review thanks to all those people who recommended workspace managers for windows 3 1 i found 3 shareware workspace managers from australias ms windows archive monu6 cc monash edu au which mirrors some sites in the u s the three i found were 1 workspaces 1 10 wspace zip this was the smallest and simplest of the workspace managers that i found it is very easy to use it displays a small window containing 6 buttons plus an extra button for configuration purposes one annoying feature was the title window that is first presented when it is run you must press a key not a mouse button for the thing to go away also it would have been nice if there was an always on top setting for the little window containing the workspace buttons maybe some user specified strings on the buttons instead of the numbers one to six might be a nice feature the simplicity and ease of use of this workspace manager makes it an attractive package 2 workshift 1 6 wrksft16 zip while this workspace manager offered a few features that workspaces 1 10 lacked it was quite time consuming to set things up with workspaces 1 10 all but the first workspace is initially empty with workshift 1 6 you need to take snapshots of how you want each of your workspaces to look like i e what applications they contain also the main window is quite large but this does allow you to have a small view of what is in each workspace with workspaces 1 10 there was no facility for viewing what was in a workspace without switching to it workshift 1 6 provides this viewing functionality which is quite useful 3 bigdesk 2 30 and backmenu backdesk zip this is an interesting package which contains a few other goodies as well as a workspace manager other goodies include backmenu which provides a pop up root menu when you press a certain mouse button just like in x windows the menu is totally configurable offering unlimited depth of cascading menus which is provides quite handy access to applications you could say it is a menu based alternative to the program manager also bundled in backdesk zip is a program called wrun which allows you to run windows applications from a dos shell under windows instead of using the file manager to run applications the actual workspace manager is called bigdesk 2 30 bigdesk works quite differently to the other two workspace managers in that it doesnt provide a certain number of disjoint and separate workspaces in fact it basically enlarges your desktop by a configurable amount and you choose which region of the desktop you want your screen to focus in on this means you can have windows overlapping between different viewing regions unlike the first two workspace managers in which each workspace was isolated from the other one the bigdesk control window allows to to move windows around your enlarged desktop basically the control window provides a small scale view of your viewing area while your actual computer screen provides a large scale or blow up of a particular section try each of them out for yourself i was impressed with all of them so find out which one suits your needs the best windows re win nt in article 1pq66v kkt gazette bcm tmc edu raymaker bcm tmc edu mark raymaker says is anyone aware of existing ipx netx software for windowsnt or is attachment to netware a future release please respond to internet mail raymaker bcm tmc edu thanks i believe the beta version of the service is available via ftp on ftp cica indiana edu in pub pc win3 nt called something like nwnt zip there is an index ascii file there which lists the programs in that directory and what they do unfortunately this beta will also disable netbeui and tcp ip over your primary nic so if you really want to run it get yourself an extra nic and bind it to that otherwise wait for next release like i am adriene windows roman bmp no please dont post uuencoded bitmaps here if you want to do so put them in the alt binaries areas these files are very large and may crash some users newsfeeds its also a waste of band width also we all know how to convert gif to bmp with many programs so itd really not worth posting all of these bmp files thanks kirk membry our age is the age of industry rutgers viamar kmembry alexander rodchenko baseball re juggling dodgers in mssc5qh3y l1p netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes if this is true note that i dont think it is lasorda should be fired for at least two reasons 1 publicly humiliating his players 2 knuckling under to his players wishes there is a fine line between getting players input and knuckling under to players demands a manager much like a military officer needs to have his her players complete obedience and respect during a game after the game its no big deal but when there is no time to do more than react players must trust the manager or the team often falls apart see boston red sox ff strawberrys demeanor as represented by the media often sounds like demands i suspect that a comment like i enjoy hitting fourth im used to it would get pretty brutally misinterpreted by the media if it came from strawberry russ porter quoted strawberry as saying i feel more comfortable hitting cleanup and i think i perform best in that role paraphrased by my memory and bias that seems like a fairly non petulant answer to what was almost certainly a question like how do you feel about being moved to the third spot in the order a more media sensitive player might answer the manager knows what he is doing if he thinks that batting me third will help the team then i am all for it wed ignore that answer as brown stuff so it seems a little bit of an overreaction to brand darryls response as petulant personally i think his argument is nonsense and that it really doesnt matter much in which order the 2 5 players in the order are batted except for personal stats if i were darryl id probably answer that question the number four spot gets a few more rbi opportunities and i get paid for rbis i think it is best for me to bat fourth but i am willing to hit third if tommy thinks it will benefit the team or something like that it would be helpful at salary time my rbis were down because i was hitting third and make him sound like a team player since strawberry will not likely go through arbitration but use the free agent market for his next contract maybe that argument is useless but it would help his image with the media without appearing to be totally content free remember the media is of the belief that ones best rbi man should hit fourth so the argument is sensible regardless of whether or not it is true jeff medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition article 1qjc0finn841 gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu writes now if instead of using the msg as a food additive you put the msg in gelatin capsules or whatever there may not be a reaction becasue the sensory response might be a necessary element in the creation of the msg reaction ill bet the bogus medical researchers never even thought about that obvious fact gee he means placebo effect sorry but the researchers do know about this carl it is not placebo effect if as hypothesised the sensory response to msgs effect on flavor is responsible for the msg reaction steve medicine re opinions on allergy hay fever shots in article 93115 120409icbal asuacad bitnet icbal asuacad bitnet writes you might look for an allergy doctor in your area who uses sublingual drops instead of shots for treatment you are given a small bottle of antigens 3 drops are placed under the tongue for 5 minutes my this homeopathic remedies i tried the dander one for a month 15 drops three times a day i didnt notice any change whats so ever how long were you using the drops before you noticed a difference for me this treatment is more expensive because my insurance will cover tradiitional medicine windows re can i change licensed to data in windows 3 1 kudla acm rpi edu robert kudla writes stuff about changing windows registration omitted the damned thing anyway this technique should work with just about any obnoxious corporate product that tries to write to the original floppies when you install in some extreme cases you may not be able huh my copy of win 3 1 came on permanently write protected diskettes no sliding tabs cars re horizontally opposed boxer engines was v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article 1993apr26 174602 28054 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu brian j queiser writes none of the configurations are perfectly inherently balanced which is what i was talking about balance shafts and mass on either ends of the cranks can eliminate these forces moments which is something i also pointed out and didnt you also say that it was easier to add masses than to add balance shafts the sad truth is that some makers dont bother to put balance shafts on their big shaky 4s the three cranks i refer to i i 1 4 i4 even firing 180 deg 1 4 k 2 3 j fp 0 mp 0 2 3 fs 4 r l zcos2t ms 0 j j 1 4 flat4 even firing 180 deg k 1 4 2 3 i fp 0 mp 0 2 3 fs 0 a crank spacing ms 2a r l zcos2t j j 1 3 1 2 flat4 even firing 180 deg k i fp 0 mp 2azcost 4 3 fs 0 2 4 ms 0 how about 1 3 2 4 if this is ridiculous kindly explain why its been more than 10 years since i studied this stuff flat 4s and i4s both have the potential to be nearly vibration free because subaru does that has nothing to do with i4s in general or porsche i think subaru somehow connecting themselves to porsche is an absurdity and im not a porsche fan big wing dings these configurations overhead cams etc etc etc have been around for nearly 100 years the point that they are trying to make is that while everybody settles for the orthodox inline 4 they are using a horizontally opposed 4 which is unique in that market segment and porsche also uses a flat six in their 911 so whats the problem i dont see any claim that their engine is as good as a porsches they are simply pointing out that they use the same configuration as a porsche if you want to nitpick ad campaigns i think there are far more blatant excesses than this eliot baseball re quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb ok sorry about that i didnt realise he was being sarcastic about those sort of things but ill tell you mike lupica daily news usually says some pretty funny things in his shooting from the lip columns bob gaj windows re atm in article downs 220 735423628 helios nevada edu downs helios nevada edu lamont downs writes so good that there isnt any diff whether or not atmanager is turned on or not is it worth it to run atm at all especially with these better printer technologies and tt there are some fonts that are only available as ps fonts if you have a ps font that you want to use use atm otherwise it is a waste of system resources or if you need to use a service bureau and theyre only set up to use type 1 fonts from what ive heard pure hearsay the results of outputting tt fonts as type 1 is not as good as using high quality type 1 fonts in the first place unless you print to file with the correct resolution set for the final output device image setter a problem with tt fonts in windows is that they do get converted to t1 format ok and the hinting is even used while this is done but the resulting t1 fonts are not hinted the result is that they will work fine on a device of the resolution assumed by the printer driver when the ps file is generated but they will not look good when printed at a different resolution so when you print to an attached ps printer with the ps driver set up for this printer results may be quite good but if you take a ps file made for that printer and run it on a device of different resolution such as an image setter then the results may not be so good religion re whos next mormons and jews in article c5soda 3l8 murdoch acc virginia edu pmy vivaldi acc virginia edu pete yadlowsky writes ken arromdee writes did they not know that these men were federal officers do you know what a no knock search is yes but tell me how you think your question answers my question if the bds didnt know immediately that they were dealing with feds uniform apparel insignia they must have figured it out in pretty short order why did they keep fighting they seemed awfully ready for having been attacked without warning oh bloody sorry old chap why didnt you tell me you were a federale tough luck eh whats that you say youre not dead yet windows re speedstar vga card win drivers these drivers updated are available directly from diamond they will even ship them to you at no charge at least they did for me medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr26 120417 22328 linus mitre org gpivar mitre org the pancake emporium writes in article 1993apr22 211005 21578 scorch apana org au bill scorch apana org au bill dowding writes todamhyp charles unlv edu brian m huey writes i think thats the correct spelling i am looking for any information supplies that will allow do it yourselfers to take krillean pictures im thinking that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for sale but i dont know any of the companies any info is greatly appreciated krillean photography involves taking pictures of minute decapods resident in the seas surrounding the antarctic or pictures taken by them perhaps bill from oz bill no flame intended but youre way way off base in simple terms kirilian photography registers the electromagnetical fields around objects in simple it takes pictures of your aura greg youre confused you are talking about kirilian photography bill is talking krillean photography tad ssc com if it bounces use 3288544 mcimail com tad cook packet amateur radio home phone seattle wa kt7h n7duo wa usa na 206 527 4089 religion re food for thought on tyre there has been a lot of discussion about tyre in sum ezekiel prophesied that the place would be mashed and never rebuilt as there are a lot of people living there it would appear that ezekiel was not literally correct this doesnt bother me at all because i understand the language ezekiel used differently than do so called biblical literalists for example it sometimes happens that someone says my grandson is the cutest baby and then turns around and sees the granddaughter and says oh isnt she the cutest thing this person is not literally claiming to have lined up all the babies in the world according to cuteness and discovered his own grandchildren tied for first rather he is trying to express his emotions using words that are very object oriented because this example is one that is common to many people nobody misunderstands the intent of the statements the bible however is often at the mercy of people who assume that everything within must be exactly literally true for those people the existence of tyre is a problem for me it is not turning to the latest person trying to defend ezekiel we read this from john e king the prophesy clearly implies that people would still be living in the area no it implies nothing of the kind if you had nothing but the prophecy from ezekiel and you were told you interpret it literally you would never say oh he means that there will be houses and businesses and plants and stuff like that you would read i will make you a bare rock and you will never be rebuilt and youd conclude that tyre would be a bare rock the only way to get from fishing nets to houses and buildings and a medium large population is if you know that all that latter stuff is there in other words your answer means that ezekiel misled everybody who read the prophecy at the time it was written there is no way that given a literal reading they could read this passage and conclude medium size city you seem to feel that never be rebuilt means be rebuilt maybe so but it is hardly a clear implication mr king also writes so far ive seen stated figurers ranging from 15 000 to 22 000 lets assume the latter one is correct by modern standards we are talking about a one horse town well no thats only a bit less than the population of annapolis where im from you know the naval acadamy the state capital george washington resigned his commission in the statehouse annapolis may not be new york but its at least a two horse town but supposing 22 000 people is a small town its still 22 000 people more than ezekiel predicted and youve said nothing about the other problem in chapter 26 ezekiel predicts that nebuchadnezzar will will destroy tyre and loot all their valuables however nebuchadnezzar did not destroy tyre and in chapter 29 ezekiel even quotes god as saying he and his army got no reward from the campaign he led against tyre lets ignore alexander for a moment and just pay attention to chapter 26 ezekiel says n would destroy tyre and n did not destroy tyre ezekiel says that n would plunder their valuables but n did not plunder their valuables regardless of what you think about tyre now the fact is that n died before the place was destroyed ezekiel said n was going to do it and n did not this post is of course pointless inerrantists have an amazing ability to rewrite the bible as needed to fit whatever they want it to say for example i expect mr king to respond to the comments about ezekiel 26 by pulling some clear implications out of hat when ezekiel said that n would demolish your towers that clearly implied that the walls would still be standing so people would know where the towers used to be and when ezekiel said that n would demolish your fine houses and throw your stones timber and rubble into the sea that clearly implied that n would never set foot on the island and when ezekiel wrote that n would build a ramp up to your walls that clearly implies that n would spend 13 years stomping around on the mainland and never get close to the walls see a few clear implications that are totally contrary to the text and you can reconcile anything you want darren f provine kilroy gboro rowan edu do you know why im the enabler because you demand it cliff claven medicine re my new diet it works great gordon banks a lot to keep from going back to morbid obesity i think all of us cycle ones success depends on how large the fluctuations in the cycle are some people can cycle only 5 pounds unfortunately im not one of them this certainly describes my situation perfectly for me there is a constant dynamic between my tendency to eat which appears to be totally limitless and the purely conscious desire to not put on too much weight when i get too fat i just diet exercise more with varying degrees of success to take off the extra weight usually i cycle within a 15 lb range but smaller and larger cycles occur as well im always afraid that this method will stop working someday but usually i seem to be able to hold the weight gain in check this is one reason i have a hard time accepting the notion of some metabolic derangement associated with cycle dieting that results in long term weight gain i have been cycle dieting for at least 20 years without seeing such a change i think a vigorous exercise program can go a long way toward keeping the cycles smaller and the baseline weight low brian medicine re migraine and exercise in article c4iozx 7wx world std com rsilver world std com richard silver writes i have two questions is there any obvious connection between the flushed appearance and the migraine was i foolish to play through the migraine aside from the visual disturbance affecting my play i just prefer to ignore it when possible the flushing is due to vascular dilation part of a migraine attack some people event get puffy and swollen as long as you are careful you can see well enough to avoid getting hit in the face or eye by the ball migraine will not hurt your health gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon religion re is thou shalt not kill ever applied in the bible in 1pdj4binnrtr crcnis1 unl edu e p unl edu edgar pearlstein wrote are there any places in the bible where the commandment thou shalt not kill is specifically applied that is where someone refrained from killing because he remembered the commandment no for the excellent reason that there is no such commandment aside from that please note that the abrahamic literary tradition is strong on narrative light on dialog and virtually nonexistent w r t introspection d c sessions speaking for myself note new network address dcs witsend tnet com author and everything else of tmail dos mail news shell guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 1r00ug d60 btr btr com michaelh public btr com michael hahn michaelh btr com writes pol pot 100 000s killed ive read estimates that pol pot killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 million drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho when you outlaw rights only outlaws will have rights spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrection nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia mi5 mi6 kgb deuterium baseball re sandberg runs rbis was re notes on jays vs indians series bratt crchh7a9 nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes rbis and runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics actually theyre pretty worthless if you want to evaluate players with stats rbis and runs scored should be banned all they do is confuse victims of mediot brainwashing like yourself you can talk about obp and slg all you want but the fact remains the team that scores more runs wins the game uh so youve just explained why we use obp and slg to evaluate players precisely because the team that scores more runs wins the game traditional baseball stats have gotten way too far away from methods which enable fans to see who contributes to those runs scored thats where obp slg runs created linear weights etc come in these simplify matters so that we can more easily measure a players offensive contribution to the teams runs scored thank you for making our case have a nice day greg cars bfgoodrich radial t a touring t a tires hi i am looking for tires i would like to hear your experience on the bf goodrich radial t a tires and or the touring t a especially for size p185 70r13 for radial t a how do they do in snow and wet weather are they quiet tires for touring t a how many miles can they last i believe they are in every way equal better than radial t a am i right chan medicine re earwax in article stephen 736092732 mont stephen mont cs missouri edu stephen montgomery smith writes what is the healthiest way to deal with earwax should one just leave it in your ear and not mess with it or should you clean it out every so often can cleaning it out damage your eardrums are there any tubes in your ear that might get blocked stephen the best thing to do is leave it it will work its own way out to the surface anything you stick up there to try and clean it is just going to push the wax up against your eardrum and pack it on there solid thus impairing your hearing sean cars isuzu amigo opinions wanted is there anyone out there in netland that has has had one of these can someone give me a non consumer reports review or point me to a source thanks scott sdexter ucrengr ucr edu computer science undergraduate university of california riverside internet 138 23 166 21 sdexter technet1 shl com facilities engineer shl systemhouse inc technology network internet 192 75 61 2 you say its gonna happen now what exactly do you mean you see ive already waited too long and all my hope is gone the smiths religion re merlin mithras and magick in article yag12b3w165w anarky tch org melchar anarky tch org melchar writes ive read many things like this in the past yet not quite so blatant a comparison of christian and pagan roman myth practice is it all historical how often has merlin myrddin been associated with roman gods how often has he been associated with mithras does anyone know where mithras originated in asia what part thyagi houseofkaos abyss com mithraic worship predates xianity but in many ways is similar it was a mystery cult worship in which not all the information was available to all members tests had to be passed at each stage new info was offered to the worshipper similar to the masons in more than one way of mithras a sun deity he was cyclic went down to darkness was reborn inspired hope fought against the darkness was popular and charismatic the worship originated in persia was linked to the ahura mazda wow this is news to me it started in tarsus you know where paul of nt fame was from not to be nasty but get a clue read the orgins of the mithraic mysteries by dulansey hey hasnt anyone read manly p halls works perhaps it might be worth a try cults for a while it threatened to eclipse xianity however it suffered from one fatal flaw it only accepted free men as members xianity took women and slaves and anyone it could get cars re electronic odometers was used bmw question in article 9833 dirac physics purdue edu lovall bohr physics purdue edu daniel l lovall writes in article conradie 40 734872761 firga sun ac za conradie firga sun ac za gerrit conradie writes however if i were to design a bmws electronics i will use a counter to count the number of times the car passed 1 million miles or whatever and store it in the car computers memory this could be read when doing a diagnostics test ditto for the date of the odometer as easy as this is i dont know why manafucturers dont do it dont they to prevent illegal odometer tampering but as a previous writer said it will in any case take aeons to reset an odometer mechanic or electronic by simulating a driving car it will be easier to reprogram it how i dont know it shouldnt be that hard if you know much about digital electronics if the counter is made with standard ttl chips all you should need to do is find the chip s used for counting figure out what mileage you want to put in and preset it but wiring the preset pins directly to low high youd also have to know what the conventions are for low and high it might be a little more involved than this but it shouldnt be beyond someone with a bsee or bs eet all the display does is convert what the counter chips say into digits using a translation table stored in rom selah dan but those chips are probably inside a custom chip to make it smaller and use less power and the preset data pins are not going to be available it would probably not be ttl but might be cmos wider operating voltage range not that the tecnology would make much difference plus the custom chip would probably be potted encapsulated with epoxy good luck garyl any shark that gets to be 11 or 12 feet long with 300 big teeth can be considered dangerous shark bowl 92 guns re news says batf indictment warrant unsealed in article 1993apr21 051417 23137 husc3 harvard edu kim39 scws8 harvard edu john kim writes other news sniper injures 9 outside mca buildling in l a man arrested suspect was disgruntled employee of universal studios which is a division of m c a shooting those 44 cal blanks i suspect them movie guys is dangerous question what will californians do with all those guns after the reginald denny trial practice with them i hope cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars re review 1989 ford taurus sho in article 24326 74 uupcb cutting hou tx us david bonds cutting hou tx us david bonds writes gk occasionally i have trouble shifting into reverse the shifter gk refuses to enter the gate and i often grind the synchros trying to gk get it into gear ill be watching this carefully in the next couple gk of months enter 1st wait 2 3 seconds and then go into reverse they use the same synchros and youll never at least i havent ground em to fit when using this technique or do like the manual says and put it in 3rd first then you can quickly go into reverse no waiting mark mark rice 803 791 6361 mark rice columbiasc ncr com my views baseball re quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb in article apr 5 16 22 48 1993 11331 pilot njin net gajarsky pilot njin net bob gajarsky hobokenite writes anyone who writes dean palmer has 2 homers at this pace hell have 324 home runs should be shot the dodgers after one inning of play have committed one error at this rate theyll have 1 455 errors this season well maybe im right this time warren usui im one with the universe on a scale from 1 to 10 windows re wp pcf linux risc in article 1qu8ud 2hd sunb ocs mq edu au eugene mpce mq edu au writes in article c5o1yq m34 csie nctu edu tw ghhwang csie nctu edu tw ghhwang writes dear friend the risc means reduced instruction set computer the risc usually has small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase the clock rate to have a high performance you can read some books about computer architecture for more information about risc hmm not that i am an authority on risc but i clearly remember reading that the instruction set on risc cpus is rather large the difference is in addressing modes risc instruction sets are not as orthogonal is cisc some people say its fun but i think its very serious eugene macadam mpce mq edu au theoretically supposed to be reduced not any longer thats why everyone is arguing about risc v s cisc personally i think cisc will win out just take a look at the pentium not that i like intel architectures either but thats another story bye brian hojo lee hey excuse me miss could i have a gif of you leebr ecf toronto edu leebr eecg toronto edu try linux the best and free un x clone medicine re krillean photography newsgroups m h a added followups set to most appropriate groups in 1993apr19 205615 1013 unlv edu todamhyp charles unlv edu brian m huey writes i am looking for any information supplies that will allow do it yourselfers to take krillean pictures its kirlian krillean pictures are portraits of tiny shrimp one might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within the universe as we know it has its own energy signature i think its safe to say that anything thats not at 0 degrees kelvin will have its own energy signature the interesting questions are what kind of energy and what it signifies id check places like edmund scientific are they still in business or i wonder if you can find ex soviet union equipment for sale somewhere in the relcom hierarchy some expansion on kirlian photography from the credulous side stanway andrew alternative medicine a guide to natural therapies isbn 0 14 008561 0 new york viking penguin 1986 p211 p188 a not overly critical but still useful overview of 32 alternative health therapies the russian engineer semyon kirlian and his wife valentina during the 1950s using alternating currents of high frequency to illuminate their subjects they photographed them they found that if an object was a good conductor such as a metal the picture showed only its surface while the pictures of poor conductors showed the inner structure of the object even if it were optically opaque they found too that these high frequency pictures could distinguish between dead and living objects dead ones had a constant outline whilst living ones were subject to changes the objects life activity was also visible in highly variable colour patterns high frequency photography has now been practised for twenty years in the soviet union but only a few people in the west have taken it up seriously professor douglas dean in new york and professor philips at washington university in st louis have produced kirlian photographs and others have been produced in brazil austria and germany using kirlian photography it is possible to show an aura around peoples fingers notably around those of healers who are concentrating on healing someone normally blue and white rays emanate from the fingers but when a subject becomes angry or excited the aura turns red and spotty the soviets are now using kirlian photography to diagnose diseases which cannot be diagnosed by any other method they argue that in most illnesses there is a preclinical stage during which the person isnt actually ill but is about to be they claim to be able to foretell a disease by photographing its preclinical phase but the most exciting phenomenon illustrated by kirlian photography is the phantom effect during high frequency photography of a leaf from which a part had been cut the photograph gave a complete picture of the leaf with the removed part showing up faintly this is extremely important because it backs up the experiences of psychics who can see the legs of amputees as if they were still there the important thing about the kirlian phantoms though is that the electromagnetic pattern cant possibly represent a secondary phenomenon or the field would vanish when the piece of leaf or leg vanished the energy grid contained in a living object must therefore be far more significant than the actual object itself kirlian photography has shown how water mentally charged by a healer has a much richer energy field around it than ordinary water from the incredulous side macrobert alan reality shopping a consumers guide to new age hokum whole earth review autumn 1986 vnon4 p4 11 an excellent article providing common sense guidelines for evaluating paranormal claims and some of the authors favorite examples of hokum the crank usually works in isolation from everyone else in his field of study making grand discoveries in his basement many paranormal movements can be traced back to such people kirlian photography for instance if you pump high voltage electricity into anything it will emit glowing sparks common knowledge to electrical workers and hobbyists for a century it took a lone basement crank to declare that the sparks represent some sort of spiritual aura in fact kirlian photography was subjected to rigorous testing by physicists john o pehek harry j kyler and david l faust who reported their findings in the october 15 1976 issue of science their conclusion the variations observed in kirlian photographs are due solely to moisture on the surface of the body and not to mysterious auras or even necessarily to changes in mood or mental state nevertheless television shows magazines and books many by famous parapsychologists continue to promote kirlian photography as proof of the unknown peter kaminski kaminski netcom com windows re need iconized printer utility in article c6eval 520 unix portal com claebaur shell portal com tony s annese writes in article 93122 134439zhao auvm american edu zhao auvm american edu writes i am looking for a printer utility which stay in window 3 1 as an icon and let you drag a file to it to issue the printing you have one minimize the print manager and drag a file to it and it will print it you need to associate file extensions with such things as the notepad for it to do this though tony annese claebaur shell portal com or claebaur cup portal com this may work but wont it involve invoking the applications e g if you drag a bmp or txt file to the min print manager icon wont it run notepad and paintbrush before printing if you just want to drag a file txt or bmp to a print server icon with stay at front attributes you need an intelligent print manager drag and drop client like amish print 2 0 ted guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes cnn is reporting as i write this that the atf has ignited all the buildings of the branch dividian ranch near waco tx the lies from atf say holes were made in the walls and non lethal tear gas pumped in a few minutes after this started the whole thing went up all buildings are aflame no one has escaped i think it obvious that the atf used armored flame thrower vehicles to pump in unlit napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it well actually the davidians koreshians started the fire themselves the last i heard around 15 00 est eight people ran out into the feilds surrounding the compound all were captured and two admitted to setting the fire i dont buy your napalm theory at all although it would have made a great commercial for my sig why the hell would they have a wood stove burning on such a warm day flame throwers use liquid petroleum napalm is more of a gel now to further dispute your theory the diluted cs gas was inserted around 06 00 if i understood correctly the place didnt start burning until around 10 00 or 11 00 this is murder atf murderers butchers this is genocidal mass slaughter of innocent people including children i have predicted this from the start but god it sickens me to see it happen i had hoped i was wrong i had hoped that there was still some shred of the america i grew up with and loved left alive i was wrong the nazis have won calm down kid vernon koreshs real name said himself that he would not leave that compound alive the inhabitants thereof had accepted the fact that they may very well have to kill themselves before it was all over i repeat as of this time there are no survivors there are at least eight survivors a caller on rush limbaugh today suggested that the rest may even be hiding in underground bunkers thats not such a wild idea considering their weaponry and resolve god help us all please crosspost dont let them get away with the slaughter of the children w k gorman an american in tears sheesh get over it i havent heard read such ranting since the hindenberg burned this should have ended 50 days ago im glad my tax dollars have finally stopped working to pay a bunch of guys to stand around and give press conferences now they can get back to more important things like catching cigarrette smugglers troy napalm sticks to kids medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction i am currently in the throes of a hay fever attack so who certainly never reads usenet let alone sci med said quite spontaneously there are a lot of mushrooms and toadstools out on the lawn at the moment sure thats not your problem well who knows or maybe its the sourdough bread i bake after reading learned semi learned possibly ignorant and downright ludicrous stuff in this thread i am about ready to believe anything if the hayfever gets any worse maybe i will cook those toadstools the floggings will continue until morale improves pchurch swell actrix gen nz pat churchill wellington new zealand guns re fbi directors statement on waco standoff after seeing william sessions on television explaining the great lengths to which the fbi went to determine the suicidal tendancies of david koresh i got the very unpleasent feeling that koresh had manipulated the fbis perceptions much the way he manipulated his own followers maybe i was manipulated by the news story david mcgaughey texas tech university cars re where can i get a new york taxi wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes actually you want a checker special if you can find one good luck im sorry i let mine go i grew up in new york city so i rode in many checker cabs the jump seats were fun as a kid although the cars were roomy a good trait for a taxi they had a design flaw that i dont understand they never fixed the rear passengers tended to fall out of their seats when the driver braked i wouldnt want to take a long ride in the back seat of one of these vehicles why did you like yours i never drove one so i have to ask tommy reingold at t bell labs holmdel nj tommy boole att com or att boole tommy cars re warning please read in article neilson 93apr15135919 seoul mpr ca neilson seoul mpr ca robert neilson writes sorry for the 0 auto content but that is why low abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is imminent steve heracleous you do have the power steve you can do it why dont you why dont you go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars make sure you do a good job though dont miss cause like they have big rocks and take it from me those kids are mean that is absolutely correct they have a streak of meanness that runs much deeper and stronger than anything i ever experienced even during the height of the 60s racial struggles i am absolutely convinced that there are kids out there today that have no concept of right and wrong but have the human intelligence which is turning them into the greatest predators that have ever walked the earth they will prevail unless the rest of humanity decides that it is in their best interest to stand up against these feral humans and for individuals to start taking some responsibility for their own protection in a state in which the individuals turn to the authorities and police for protection the police and government is soon composed of the very feral humans that they originally sought protection from gee i guess you touched my hot button id better go cool off somewhere tom mackey 206 865 6575 tomm voodoo ca boeing com boeing computer services uunet bcstec voodoo tomm m s 7k 20 p o box 24346 seattle wa 98124 0346 medicine re barbecued foods and health risk i dont understand the assumption that because something is found to be carcinogenic that it would not be legal in the u s i think that naturally occuring substances excluding controlled substances are pretty much unregulated in terms of their use as food food additives or other consumption its only when the chemists concoct sp an ingredient that it falls under fda regulations otherwise if they really looked closely they would find a reason to ban almost everything how in the world do you suppose its legal to consume tobacco products which probably should be banned no there is something called the delany amendment which makes carcinogenic food additives illegal in any amount this was passed by congress in the 1950s before stuff like mass spectrometry became available which increased detectable levels of substances by a couple orders of magnitude this is why things like cyclamates and red 2 were banned they are very weakly carcinogenic in huge quantities in rats so under the act they are banned this also applies to natural carcinogens some of you might remember a time back in the 1960s when root beer suddenly stopped tasting so good and never tasted so good again that was the time when safrole was banned this is the active flavoring ingredient in sassafras leaves if it were possible to market a root beer good like the old days someone would do it in order to make money the fact that no one does it indicates that enforcement is still in effect an odd exception to the rule seems to be the product known as gumbo file this is nothing more than coarsely ground dried sassafras leaves this is not only a natural product but a natural product still in its natural form so maybe thats how they evade delany or maybe a special exemption was made to appease powerful louisiana democrats cars aussie needs info on car shows hi from australia i am a car enthusiast in australia i am particularly interested in american muscle cars of the 1960s and 1970s all makes amc ford chrysler mopar gm i will be in the usa for 6 weeks from may 2nd to june 14 1993 chicago sun may 2 thursday may 6 denver friday may 7 sunday may 9 austin texas monday may 10 friday may 21 oklahoma city friday may 21 monday may 24 anaheim california tuesday may 25 thursday may 27 las vegas nevada friday may 28 sunday may 30 grand canion monday may 31 tuesday june 1 las angeles san diego and vicinity wednesday june 3 sunday june 6 june south lake tahoe cal sunday june 6 wednesday june 9 reno thursday june 10 san fransisco thursday june 10 sunday june 13 i was wondering if anyone could send me any information of car shows swap meets drag meets model car shows etc during this period can anybody tell me when the pomona swap meet is on this year also any places to visit eg car museums private collections your collection etc any bit of information is appreciated i am also interested in finding some model cars scale models i am intersted in 1968 1974 amc cars of particular interest is 1968 1970 amx 1968 1974 javelin 1969 scrambler 1970 rebel machine and others if you have any kits plastics diecast etc and are interested in selling them tell me i will be interested i can also send bring you models of australian high performance cars if you are interested please reply by email to johnt spri levels unisa edu au thanks john tsimbinos guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders ive yet to meet a group of baptists who were stockpiling cambells soup and m 16s ar 15s and banging marrying thirteen yuear olds with one exception thats a pretty good description of many of the baptists i know the exception is that they know the difference between an m 16 and an ar 15 heck they even know that it looks like richard pettys stock car doesnt mean its a racing stock car they may be uncouth but theyve figured out that appearance isnt function andy cars re warning please read mchaffee dcl nxt07 michael t chaffee writes significantly less than the value of many automobiles and for those who will argue that the animals out there stealing cars and everything else not to mention committing completely senseless acts of violence such as rape cannot be valued in terms of money because they are human beings i submit that they are not human beings jim callison i think is on the right track and absolutely a scratch on my car bothers me more than the death of any number of scum all of you feel the same way you just wont admit it when are people going to realise that the mere fact that a piece of flesh moves and has the approximate shape of a human being does not in itself mean that it has rights windows survey pros cons oop object oriented programming survey this survey is a meant to find the current relationship between programmers and object oriented programming please return this survey before may 5 1993 return to rustad mhd moorhead msus edu would you like a copy of the published statistics yes no your occupation years of programming experience programming languages youre associated with years of oop experience your preferred oop language is there an advantage to oop yes no is oop coding faster than traditional programming yes no is oop maintenance quicker and easier than traditional yes no or opinion comments pros cons with object oriented programming medicine re help for kidney stones as i recall from my bout with kidney stones there isnt any medication that can do anything about them except relieve the pain either they pass or they have to be broken up with sound or they have to be extracted surgically when i was in the x ray tech happened to mention that shed had kidney stones and children and the childbirth hurt less demerol worked although i nearly got arrested on my way home when i barfed all over the police car parked just outside the er brian religion re he has risen just to remark that i have heard that david koresh has risen from the dead i dont know if it is true or not but this is what i have been told what do you guys think ben l windows text editor to handle large files as the title says does anyone know of a text editor like notepad that can handle large text files thanx for any and all help james burke by reading this you agree not to hold the writer responsible for any evil jburke abacus bates edu happening that may befall you at any time windows windows nt help please help windows nt i need some information on the new windows nt anything you have would be appreciated i know nothing about it well except that it exists some questions memory requirements hard drive space release date is it out how is ibm reacting intel can it replace other lan oss anything else like specs speed etc thanks in advance luke email me at internet address domet ucbeh san uc edu bitnet address domet ucbeh cars re too fast in article 1qkon8 3re armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes larger engine thats what the sho is a slightly modified family sedan with a powerful engine they didnt even bother improving the brakes that shows how much you know about anything the brakes on the sho are very different 9 inch or 9 5 i forget discs all around vented in front the normal taurus setup is smaller discs front drums rear your argument still boils down to an sho shouldnt be driven fast because i jim frost say it isnt designed to go fast pffffftttttt if you think so you sure dont pay attention to my postings damn straight youre one of those people who makes stuff up and tries to pawn it off as gods own truth if i want lies i can go listen to television the wharf rat guns re what if the dividians were black in article 1993apr9 134525 21567 medtron medtronic com rn11195 medtronic com robert nehls writes kenneth d whitehead kdw icd ab com wrote oleary cbnewsh cb att com brian m leary writes questions for the media and the politically correct if the people in the compound were black and the guys in ninja suits some of the davidians are black next question baseball re jack morris bwalker bnr ca barry walker writes in article 1993apr19 032930 19811 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes in 1993apr19 024222 11181 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes hey valentine i dont see boston with any world series rings on their fingers damn morris now has three and probably the hall of fame in his future therefore i would have to say toronto easily made the best signing and dont tell me boston will win this year they wont even be in the top 4 in the division more like 6th in spite of what all the stat heads say jack morris played a large role in the jays winning the world series last year i dont care if his era was 4 he played a leadership role and did win 21 games his era may have been high but he did pitch many outstanding ball games and he pitched many not so outstanding ballgames too jack essentially pitched a lot of 500 ball last year this certainly isnt irrelevant and iif you replace morris with replacement level quality the blue jays might not win re leadership i dont see it if the leadership effect is there for a starting pitcher you would expect to see its primary effect on the pitching staff you would expect to see the rest of the staff improve instead the rest of the staff declined you can make a reasonable argument for winfield providing leadership the offense picked up considerably from its effectiveness the previous year im not saying i buy that but at least that argument makes internal sense greg barry walker bnr ottawa canada my opinions windows wanted symantec address nothing beats skiing if you want to have real fun during holidays rob de winter philips research ist it building wl 1 p o box 80000 5600 ja eindhoven the netherlands tel 31 40 743621 e mail dewinter prl philips nl medicine friend needs advice a friend of mine is having some symptoms and has asked me to post the following information a few weeks ago she noticed that some of her hair was starting to fall out she would touch her head and strands of hair would just fall right out by the way she is 29 or 30 years old it continued to occur until she had a bald spot about the size of a half dollar since that time she has gotten two more bald spots of the same size other symptoms shes described include several months of an irregular menstrual cycle which is strange for her because she has always been extremely regular laryngitis every few days she will wake up one morning and have almost no voice and then the next day its fine dizzy spells she claims that shes had 4 or 5 very bad dizzy spells early in the morning including one that knocked her to the ground and general fatigue she went to a dermatologist first who couldnt find any reason for the symptoms and sent her to an internist who suspected thyroid problems he did the blood work and claims that everything came back normal shes very concerned and very confused does anyone have any ideas or suggestions i told her that i thought she should see an endocrinologist does that sound like the right idea by the way in case you are going to ask no she has recently taken any medications that would cause these symptoms no she hasnt recently changed her hair products and she hasnt gotten a perm coloring or other chemical process that might cause hair to fall out thanks in advance for any help baseball re ugliest stance was re ugliest swing alan all in all its just another sepinwall writes ugliest stance of all time has to go to oscar gamble the man would practically kneel in front of home plate in order to have a small strike zone hes just lucky that strike zone size isnt determined by how big your afro is i agree however i have to object growing up in the early 1980s and playing 2 years of mario mendoza esque little league i was told that since my hitting well sucked i would do best to either walk or take one in the face for the team i did both and my yankee fan father would say bat like oscar gamble so i did and my career obp was about 550 not only was oscar a fun guy to watch but he had some pretty cool baseball cards and helped me become one of the best little league players in history im outta here like vladimir alan jason a miller some doctor guy frank tanana 1 win baseball re dave kingman for the hall of fame in article 1993apr15 093231 5148 news yale edu steve tomassi writes hi baseball fans so what do you say dont you think he deserves it i mean heck if dave winfield ho hum is seriously being considered for it as is lee smith ha then why dont we give dave kingman a chance or darrell evans yeah yeah after the hall of fame takes in them it can take in eddie murray and jeff reardon um what eddie murray was a superb first baseman for a long time winfield as produced consistently for almsot 20 years and excellently on several occasions dave kingmans best year was like darryl strawberrys typical year with the mets darrell evans too did a whole lot more than just hit homers which is all that kong did well in any case i am sick and tired mostly sick of everybody giving hall of fame consideration to players that are by todays standards marginal whom are you talking about yes eddie murray is marginal but thats because hes 38 years old he wasnt marginal for a long time honestly ozzie smith and robin yount dont belong there theyre both shortstops that just hung around for a long time big deal not smith has hung around for a long time and fielded the position better than anyone else ever has yount stopped being a shortstop about a decade ago in case you hadnt noticed one of his two mvp awards was as a centerfielder lets be a little more selective huh stop handing out these honors so liberally save them for the guys who really deserve it face it if like whom there are many players in the hall who arent anywhere near as goos as the guys youre running down something isnt done there will be little prestige in the hall of fame anymore when thats already the case by some standards but the bad players in the hall are all from the 20s and 30s recent picks have generally been excellent certain individuals believe that steve garvey or jack morris are potential candidates the absurdity is apparent gee can these guys even compare to the more likely future hall of famers like kirby puckett or nolan ryan no but who cares was stan musial anywhere near as good as babe ruth not really but he obviously belongs there the hall has generally had about the top 1 of major leaguers as more players come through the game more will be in that top 1 and yes its pretty easy to argue that smith yount evans winfield etc are in the top 1 dave kingman on the other hand was a liability throughout most of his career of course garvey hasnt gotten a lot of hof press so i dont know what you mean as for ryan is his w l better than morris thats what a lot of voters tend to look at and morris was awfully good for a decade and doesnt lead mlb history in walks allowed either roger guns re ama support brady bill in article 1r044ainnh9f tamsun tamu edu dlb5404 tamuts tamu edu daryl biberdorf writes the following was sent to me by a friend of mine a med student it originally appeared in a medical discussion list gun control the ama expressed support for s 414 and h r 1025 the brady handgun violence prevention act citing its strong support for the brady bill in past congresses the ama termed as particularly alarming violence associated with and stemming from the widespread and easy availability and use of firearms the ama proceeded to comment while we recognize that a waiting period of 5 business days before a handgun purchase will not address all of the difficult problems that have made violence so prevalent in our society we believe that it is a beginning and will save lives physicians are first hand witnesses to the horrendous cost in human life being exacted by firearm violence a reasonable waiting period before the purchase of a handgun is a protection that the american people deserve letters to senator howard m metzenbaum and representative charles e schumer march 11 1993 i wonder if the ama has an exact listing of lives saved in tennessee california and other waiting period states david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al guns re rewording the second amendment ideas in article c5vb3e ev5 sugar neosoft com kunkee neosoft com randy kunkee writes perhaps we are a little off track the discussion was about rewording the 2nd amendment this specifically refers to the right to bear arms bear and arms are key words here no is it too simplistic to say that if you cant pick it up ie bear it or if it is not a firearm then it can be restricted without amending the constitution firearm lets not even consider long knives swords which were also common militia weapons in the 18th century and which if anything are often restricted more heavily than firearms whatever sense gun control makes knife control makes even less cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet windows where to get ati card video drivers fonts does anyone know where i can ftp or somehow else acquire the latest video drivers fonts for an ati svga adapter the only floppy i have is for windows 3 0 does anyone know if ati is still in business thanks farley access digex com charles u farley average iq of calgary board of ed employee 65 windows hot key for switching to the program manager in win 3 1 one may assign hot keys for the program items within the program manager how about the program manager itself is there one already or is there some way to assign one regards ake ake knutsson email knut tts lth se dept of communication systems uunet tts lth se knut lund institute of technology sweden fax 46 46 145823 medicine re good grief was re candida albicans what is it in article romdas uclink berkeley edu ella i baff writes if anybody doctors included said to me to my face that there is no evidence of the yeast connection i cannot guarantee their safety for their incompetence ripping off their lips is justified as far as i am concerned this doesnt sound like candida albicans to me no just a little anger normally i dont rip peoples lips off except when my candida has overcolonized and i become fungus man jon charter member infj club if youre dying to know what infj means be brave e mail me ill send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 freds gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone 510 294 8153 chips worlds best livermore ca 94550 v mail 510 417 4101 who are you read alt psychology personality thats where the action is religion re rw is robert weiss the only orthodox christian in article 93111 074840librba byuvm bitnet librba byuvm bitnet writes robert you keep making references to orthodox belief and saying things like it is held that cf kermit thread on what exact body of theology are you drawing for what you call orthodox who is that holds that luke meant what you said he meant whenever your personal interpretation of biblical passages is challenged your only response seems to be that one needs merely to look at the bible in order to see the truth but what of those who see biblical things differently from you are we to simply assume that you are the only one who really understands it just curious rick anderson librba byuvm bitnet when robert refers to the orthodox he is talking about the historical position of the christian faith such things are derived from biblcal texts through the centuries by the apocolic fathers of the faith you are right that people read things differently in the bible and this is alright in parts like parables and such forth however when it comes to the essential doctrines of the historical orthodox christan beliefs there is only one correct way to read it for example either the doctrine of the trinity is true or it is false yes people read the texts differently but only one position is true they both cannot be according to the text the doctrine is true and has always existed therefore when people like joseph smith come along with a vision and thinks he can undo centuries of a doctrine that is supported by the bible people consider him a cult medicine critique of pressure point massager as promised below is a personal critique of a pressure point massager i recently bought from the self care catalog i am very pleased with the results the catalog description is as follows the pressure point massager is an aggressive physical massager that actually kneads the tension out of muscles much like a professional shiatsu masseur the powerful motor drives two counter rotating thumbs that move in one inch orbits releasing tension in the neck back legs and arms pressure point massager a2623 109 to order or receive a catalog call 24 hours 7 days 1 800 345 3371 or fax at 1 800 345 4021 note when i ordered the massager the item number was different and the price was 179 not 109 when i received it i glanced thru the newer catalog enclosed with it to see anything was different from the first one i was quite annoyed to see a 70 difference in price i called them about it and the cust rep said that they had switched manufacturers although it looks and works exactly the same he told me to go ahead and return the first one and order the cheaper one using the price difference as a reason for return in fact since the newer ones might take a while to ship from the factory i received this one in 3 days he told me i could use the one i already have until the new one arrives then return the old one very reasonable people i have long term neck shoulder and back pain if i were a building i would be described as structurally unsound i have stretches and exercises to do that help but the problem never really goes away if for whatever reason i do not exercise for a while illness not enough time lazy etc the muscles become quite stiff and painful and thus more prone to further strain even with exercise i sometimes require physical therapy to get back on track which 1st requires a doctor visit to get the prescription for p t the tension in my neck if not released eventually causes a headache sometimes confused with a sinus headache over my left eye when my physical therapist has massaged my neck and the sub occipital muscles in particular the 2 knobby areas near the base of the skull the headache usually eased within a day although it hurts like hell to while it is being massaged i ordered this device because it seemed to be exactly what i was wishing someone would invent a machine that would massage not vibrate my neck and sub occipital muscles like my physical therapist has done in the past that i could use by myself no doctor visit or inconvenient p t appts for a week later would be needed to use it i could get up in the middle of the night and use it if necessary i have been using it for about a week or so now and love it the base unit is about a 14 x 9 rectangle about 3 3 4 high with handles on each side and it plugs into an average outlet the two metal thumbs are about 1 1 2 in diameter and protrude about 2 1 2 above the base the thumbs are covered with a gray cloth that is non removable they are located more toward one end rather than centered see figure below they move in either clockwise or counter clockwise directions depending on which side of the switch is pushed and are very quiet it can be used from either side for instance the thumbs can be positioned at the base of the neck or the top of the neck depending on which direction you approach it for the neck head the user varies the amount of pressure used by if laying down allowing all or part of the full weight of the head and or neck to rest on the thumbs the handles can also be used if sitting or standing applying pressure with the arms wrists since my wrists are also impaired im typing this over an extended period of time and i dont have someone living with me who can apply it laying down works well for me for my back i sit in a high backed kitchen chair position the massager behind me at whatever point i want massaged and lean back lightly or not so lightly against it the pressure of leaning back holds it in place if i want to massage the entire spine i simply move it down a few inches whenever i feel like it for my back this machine is far superior to use than the commonly used home made massager of 2 tennis balls taped together with the balls position against a wall or door them over the spine and move the body up and down against them the tennis balls are better than nothing but difficult to use for very long especially if your quads are not in good shape and my long hair gets painfully in the way if i dont pin it up first as far as im concerned the easier something like this is to use the more likely ill use do it if there are multiple considerations hassles im more likely to not bother with it not only has this machine helped with my headaches but my range of motion for my neck and back are greatly increased the first time i used it on my neck sub occipital muscles however i overdid it and pressed too hard against it which resulted in a very tender almost bruised area for a few days i laid off it for about 3 days and applied ice which helped after that i was more gradual about applying pressure at this point the pain in the sub occipital area is now minimal while being massaged i also learned to use very light pressure on my lower back which is the most vulnerable point for me it also eased some painful knots of tension between my shoulder blades although again it took a few days of massaging just a few minutes at a time to really work it out i highly recommend this product if you have similar problems although i cannot vouch for its durability it seems pretty sturdy since ive had it such a short time i plan to use it not only to ease tension but also to loosen the muscls before exercising and maybe after too i have been ill recently and not able to exercise much for a few weeks so this was very timely for me this is the 1st product ive ordered from this company and only recently became aware of it thru a co worker the catalog states they have been in business since 1976 it contains quite a few health care products and while they appear to be more expensive than the average health care catalog products they also appear to be of much higher quality with more thought put into what they actually do definitely a step above some other ones ive seen such as dr leonards health care catalog or mature wisdom im only 37 but have ended up on some geriatric type mailing lists no big surprise here i consider many of those products to be rip offs particularly targeted toward the elderly with dubious health benefits i apologize for the length of this but its the kind of info i would like to know before ordering something thru the mail robin coutellier northern telecom mountain view ca internet robin ntmtv com uucp portal ntmtv robin cars re looking to buy dodge stealth have questions in article 1993apr5 203719 usho0b hou281 chevron com hhtra usho0b hou281 chevron com t m haddock writes in article 1993apr2 030031 15691 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article 1993apr1 104746 usho72 hou281 chevron com hhtra usho72 hou281 chevron com t m haddock writes i found a mopar spec sheet this weekend model wgt hp stealth 3086 164 stealth es 3186 222 stealth rt 3373 222 stealth rt tt 3803 300 okay ill take their word for it these arethe numbers i have been stating in the past 5 10 messages it really angers me that you insisted you were right and that you had no clue what your own car weighed why didnt you check when i first told you that your figures were implausible i am giving every chance to retract figures widely known the mustang is rated at 205 222 205 is 17 you have a 17hp advantage over a mustang seems that the 1993 mustang 5 0 is rated at 205 hp only because ford changed its testing procedures under the older procedures it still rates closer to 225 hp that means that the mustang has 3 hp more id like to hear a better explanatin of how you come to that conclusion from the above data big threat you are kod by a civic acording to c d yeah sure in your wet dreams and thats probably where you got no sorry your wrong again you quoted the del sol as doing 0 60 in 8 1 according to c d interestingly the stealth es which is faster than your rt does the samerun in 8 5 seconds according to c d kind of embarassing isnt it why didnt you check the figures before posting it only makes you look stupid when you are caught out twice with your own figures that 11 2 second 0 60 for the stealth ill check c ds 5 91 issue strange that you claim to have that you really should have checked go ahead and check asshole youll realize what an idiot you are for not checking data beforeposting car drive may 91 stealth es 222hp automatic for 3 posts now youve been harping on this may 1991 issue of car driver 2 without posting any numbers why not because they prove me right and you aint got the guts to admit it yeah thought so if you insist i gave you every chance to retract but dodge stealth es auto does an 8 5 16 4 wonder why you couldnt find it do you realize that a 9k sentra c d will run a 16 7 that a sentra se r or saturn will run in the 15s dont you think it is kind of strange that your 222hp sports car is so easily beaten a mustang 5 0 which weights about the same according to your numbers has less power and is much quicker care to explain dont be abusive just try and come up with a rational explanation of where those 222hp went to its a mystery to me the sentra se r really is alot quicker than the 222hp fwd sports car you are close to the 9k sentra e go look up the numbers in c d and report please no im going to play your game no way sentras are slow i took a test drive and it took 21 7 to go 0 50 why even the hyundai excel blows it doors i guess you drove a 5 speed and couldnt shift craig windows using mouse in dos window is there a way to use the mouse when running a dos app windowed in win 3 1 when you window a dos apps in enhanced mode i can see where the mouse cursor was but it doesnt work any help would be greatly appreciated thank you hansang bae hbae cwis unomaha edu cars re impala ss going into production in 1993apr19 193417 18601 ucsu colorado edu dunnjj ucsu colorado edu dunn jonathan james writes uznerk mcl ucsb edu andrew krenz writes i personally like the looks of the impala ss the caprice was definately weird looking until this year when they made the rear wheel openings look more like a normal car but the impala impresses me gm cant exactly shove the lt1 in everything they make you know only the bigger stuff id like to see it next in a 1500 series pickup that would be a hot setup what about in a full size blazer as well would this engine have the gobs of torque necessary for off roading if so this would be even better than the syclone well an lt1 blazer wouldnt come close to a gmc typhoon in speed i think its too heavy as it is right now the normal 210hp 5 7 engine has plenty of power for a full size blazer of course im not saying gm shouldnt put the lt1 in it it seems like they have a real winner with that engine why spend so much more money into getting a 32 valve dohc v8 when you can take an lt1 it even seems to get pretty good gas mpg for a 5 7 that is talking about impala ss will this be in the 4 door caprice body im just curious if chevy is trying to resurrect their 2 door muscle cars or to compete with the european super sedans yeah its a flat black lowered 4 door caprice riding on 17 aluminum rims and eagle gs c tires the rest of the car is basically a caprice ltz read plush police package with 300 horsepower i heard that chevy is resurrecting the monte carlo but thats going to get their 3 4 dohc v6 and not the lt1 jon dunn andrew krenz uznerk mcl ucsb edu krenz engrhub ucsb edu guns re newspapers censoring gun advertisements i dont know what traders is claiming but it appears to me that the oakland tribune has censored gun ads in the past likewise for the san francisco chronicle and i have never seen a gun ad in the san francisco examiner specifically about a year ago on thursdays when traders placed its ads the chron ad would not have any graphics representing any handgun sale though text could list it the trib would run a graphic of a handgun the examiner would not have a traders ad at all over the past year while oakland politicians have made a lot of noise about measures to fight crime the trib stopped taking the traders ad then started publishing it but without any handgun graphic then stopped then started since the trib was sold some months ago it has not had the traders ad during one of these non ad interludes a traders employee told me that the trib had refused to take their ads yes the usual chron thursday ad was there today with graphics representing rifles safes etc as usual joan v medicine re my new diet it works great in article c5wc7g 4eg toads pgh pa us geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article 1993apr22 001642 9186 omen uucp caf omen uucp chuck forsberg wa7kgx writes can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back the lost weight does not constitute weight rebound until it exceeds the starting weight or is this oral tradition that is shared only among you obesity researchers annals of ny acad sci 1987 hmmm these dont look like references to me is passive aggressive behavior associated with weight rebound i purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to study the volumes mentioned and benefit therefrom good story chuck but it wont wash i have read the ny acad sci one and have it this am i couldnt find any reference to weight rebound im not saying it isnt there but since you cited it it is your responsibility to show me where it is in there there is no index i suspect you overstepped your knowledge base as usual gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon its on page 315 about 2 1 2 inches up from the bottom and an inch in from the right at least we know what some people havent read and remembered chuck forsberg wa7kgx tektronix reed omen caf author of ymodem zmodem professional yam zcomm and dsz omen technology inc the high reliability software 17505 v nw sauvie is rd portland or 97231 503 621 3406 guns re proper gun control what is proper gun control was re my gun is like my american express card iftccu talk politics guns mikey ccwf cc utexas edu strider 8 51 pm apr 12 1993 i think most of us would rather be held up with a knife than with a gun but how the hell are you going to manage that you still havent offered ive been watching this knife verses gun bit for a while now even contributed a few comments but this stuff id rather face a knife than a gun has got to come from ignorance i used to think pretty much the same thing then i got educated people do not as a rule understand how deadly knives can be or how quickly you can be killed with one most people dont understand that it takes less than an inch of penetration in some areas to cause quick within a minute or so death the death rates from handguns and knives are within a few percentage points of each other many people not realizing how deadly knives are try their luck and thus more get injured by knives a gun is deadly only in a single direction and its only advantage is that it is a remote control weapon a contact weapon such as a knife controls a spherical area 7 to 10 feet in diameter most people have never seen knife wounds aside from slicing a finger by accident from 21 feet or so a knife is very nearly an even match for a holstered gun in experienced hands even if the knife wielder has only moderate skill from inside 10 feet or so a knife is a match for a drawn gun a knife is utterly silent it never jams and never runs out of ammunition it is limited only by the speed dexterity skill and ability of its wielder criminals in general are young fast and strong its interesting to note that the patterned slashing attacks used by many martial artists remarkably resemble the wild uncontrolled slashing attacks of novices ive talked to several well trained martial artists they have unanimously agreed that if they ever go up against a knife they simply plan on being cut hopefully not as bad as the attacker practicing with firearms requires facilities and equipment practicing with knives requires only a small area and something to simulate a knife say a popsicle stick or tooth brush criminals practice their knife attacks in prison if you have not trained against knives with a firearm and do not realize these facts the first inkling you will have that something is wrong is the knife ripping through your throat or in the case of an experienced attacker parts of your body falling off onto the ground a 60 year old man with arthritis can close that 7 yard distance and gut you in about one and a half seconds dennis tueller with a broken leg in a walking cast managed it in two ive seen people close that distance and strike in 1 second im old over weight and slow i can do it in 1 3 seconds ive seen morgue footage of people killed with edged weapons that you would not believe how about a single stab wound to the chest with a table fork in this case the attacker used the handle not the pointed end add to this the fact that hand gun stopping power is largely a myth except in the case of a central nervous system shot or a round that destroys the skeletal structure it takes anywhere from 3 to twelve seconds for a bullet wound to take effect this is true of even heart shots there is the case of the police woman in l a the first recorded survivor of a 357 shot to the heart that lady not only killed her attacker but chased him down to do it all four of her shots fired after she had been shot struck the perp atta girl the bullet entered her on a downward angle went through the apex of her heart down through the diaphragm clipped her liver and destroyed her spleen it then exited her back leaving a tennis ball sized hole she died about six times on the operating table but was out of the hospital in 15 days and was back on full duty in eight months she was off duty at the time and not wearing her vest she was on her way home so happened to have her gun no she doesnt think civilians should have the same rights sigh the moral of the story is that even if you do manage to shoot a knife attacker youd better be planning on doing some dodging a good alternative is to shoot for and break the pelvis people can often walk a little on broken legs but a broken pelvis will nearly always anchor them many firearms schools recommend pelvis shots against contact weapons the target is as large as the traditional center of mass and is more reliable to stop somebody with a contact weapon assuming a caliber powerful enough to do the job hot 38s on up will usually do this remember folks the idea isnt to take em with you but for you to live and them to fail whatever the consequences for them this the reason killing them isnt our goal or in many cases even good enough to keep us alive i dont want to face a violent attack of any sort knowing what i now know i cant rightly say id rather face a knife than an gun it would have to depend on the attacker and if i could pick and choose i wouldnt be there this is really the bottom line criminals do not fear the law criminals do not fear the weapon they fear the citizen behind the weapon that has shown the resolution and determination to do whatever it takes rick medicine hyperknowledge announcement the hyperknowledge project for nextstep motivation we are a heterogeneous group of scientists and students who feel that our work is continuously hindered by computer environments dominated by incompatible scientific tools and monstrous software packages too often claiming to do everything rather than being able to use different tools together in a flexible interactive system we find ourselves spending too much time converting between different data formats writing throw away tools and i o parsers and worrying about how to get to a particular goal rather than what it means to have attained it what we need is an object oriented scientific environment where the tools we choose to use are integrated without being parts of a closed system highly interactive and extendable both by the addition of our own specialized objects and by combining the available tools graphically the use of such an environment should be a natural extension of our work requiring a very short learning phase and practically no user documentation the user should feel encouraged to explore different possibilities testing his her own scientific ideas without worrying too much about whether the system is able to cope within reason of course by building an open and object oriented system each user should be able to draw upon and combine those tools necessary or conducive to a particular task we all need to organize and archive our data display results and combine information from many different sources currently the group consists of people from very different fields molecular biology computer science physics and astronomy and geography while many of our needs for such an environment diverge the underlying motivation is the same no matter what you want to call it we need a system which helps rather than hinders the organization of our scientific data and daily work why nextstep what else is there no other system offers the same power a totally object oriented developers environment unix compatibility highly interactive and standardized user interface with the advent of ns486 and the expectation that nextstep will soon appear on a broad range of hardware platforms such a system will soon be nearly universally available classical workstation vendors sun ibm hp and the rest now have little to offer no similar tools exist for the standard x windows gui if apple had a system it would only run on their hardware and the mass market windows dos world is a developers nightmare either despite or more probably because of ole in order to progress we need an open discussion of how best to develop such an environment in nextstep parlance do we simply have to put together a set of scientific protocols and a common api for our hyper knowledge servers should be use distributed objects what minimum set of tools do we need in order to start working with the environment what tool needs do we all have in common and which ones are best developed by specialized sub groups how many already existing tools can should be integrated into the system e g mathematica do we need an avs like tool for data flow manipulation mailing list and anonymous ftp in order to take part to the project or to push the discussion forewords you are invited to subscribe to sci tools embl heidelberg de all interesting suggestions projects and sources will be archive and soon available anonymous ftp for questions send mail to sci tools help embl heidelberg de acknowledgments the european molecular biology laboratory heidelberg germany has consented to provide the computer resources for a mailing list and anonymous ftp services rick hessman hessman eden uni sw gwdg de georg tuparev tuparev embl heidelberg de medicine re migraines and scans dn from nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye dn a neurology dn consultation is cheaper than a scan and also better because a neurologist can make a differential diagnosis between migraine tension type headache cluster benign intracranial hypertension chronic paroxysmal hemicrania and other headache syndromes that all appear normal on a scan a neurologist can also recommend a course of treatment that is appropriate to the diagnosis dn also since many people are convinced they have brain tumors or other dn serious pathology it may be cheaper to just get a ct scan then have dn them come into the er every few weeks dn and easier than taking the time to reassure the patient right dn personally i dont think this can ever be justified sigh it may never be justifiable but i sometimes do it even after i try to show thoroughness with a detailed history neurologic examination and discussion with the patient about my diagnosis salted with lots of reassurance patients still ask why cant you order a scan so we can be absolutely sure aunt millie often gets into the conversation as in they ignored aunt millies headaches for years and then she died of a brain tumor aneurysm or whatever if you can get away without ever ordering imaging for a patient with an obviously benign headache syndrome id like to hear what your magic is every once in a while i am able to bypass imaging by getting an eeg mind you i dont think eeg is terribly sensitive for brain tumor but the patient feels like something is being done as if the hours i spent talking with and examining the patient were nothing the eeg has no ionizing radiation its much cheaper than ct or mri and the eeg brings in some money to my department slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein medicine bursitis and laser treatment my family doctor and the physiotherapist pt she sent me to agree that the pain in my left shoulder is bursitis i have an appointment with an orthpod i love that its short for orthopedic surgeon apparently but while im waiting the pt is treating me shes using hot packs ultrasound and lasers but theres no improvement yet in fact i almost suspect its getting worse my real question is about the laser treatment i cant easily imagine what the physical effect that could have on a deep tissue problem can anyone shed some light so to speak on the matter robert allison ottawa ontario canada windows hot key for screen saver is there a hot key for the windows 3 1 screen saver utility if not is there an easy way to create one the reason that i need one is that my dads company is anal retentive about leaving a computer while the information can be accessed so the employees are not allowed to walk away from the computer until the screen saver kicks in as if that is terribly secure also the system manager wont let any software be added so another program such as lock32 zip from cica or a different screen saver is out thanks for any and all help chris putnam still a blue devils lover at heart euphonium baritone star in 93 guns american horror file call for help todays atrocity in waco has finally impelled me to start working on something ive been thinking about for some time over the last few years i have heard of one case after another of government running completely amok unfortunately most people are oblivious of the governments crimes and still think of it as their protector so i intend to put together what i call the american horror file a compilation of cases where the american government has run roughshod over the rights of its citizens over the last few years focusing especially on deaths and injuries resulting from no knock warrants and financial ruin to innocents resulting from civil forfeiture laws but including any other cases for which i can find decent documentation i hope to make people blood boiling artery bursting red hot enraged at their government the end result will probably be a book in electronic form ascii text and postscript files detailing the governments crimes of recent years this book will be distributed at cost and i will encourage people to post copies to bbss send copies on disk to friends and print out copies and give them to neighbors this is a call for your help any information that you can send me on how government is running amok will be greatly appreciated i would prefer information that is well documented with sources given about specific instances of governmental abuses i also welcome anyone who wants to join me in collecting and researching information for this project kevin s van horn is your religion batf approved vanhorn bert cs byu edu medicine re request gyro souvlaki sauce michael trofimoff tron fafnir la locus com wrote hi all would anyone out there in net land happen to have an authentic sure fire way of making this great sauce that is used to adorn gyros and souvlaki thanks i have a receipe at home that was posted to me by one of our fellow netters about a month ago i am recalling this from memory but i think im fairly close by the way it was great 1 pint of plain yogurt 1 2 med sized cucumber finely shredded 3 cloves of garlic more or less by taste 1 4 tsp dill weed the yogurt is dumped into a strainer lined with a coffee filter and allowed to drain at least 2 hours you can adjust the consistancy of the sauce by increasing this time up to 24 hours the shredded cuc is drained the same way mix it all together and let it steep for at least 2 hours its better the next day and enjoy steve medicine re what are the problems with nutrasweet aspartame nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than sugar some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces when it degrades nutrasweet it is thought to form formaldehyde and known to for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate substances the real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde produced are high enough to cause significant damage as both are toxic to living cells all i can say is that i will not consume it phenylalanine is nothing for you to worry about it is an amino acid and everyone uses small quantities of it for protein synthesis in the body some people have a disease known as phenylketoneurea and they are missing the enzyme necessary to degrade this compound and eliminate it from the body for them it will accumulate in the body and in high levels this is toxic to growing nerve cells therefore it is only a major problem in young children until around age 10 or so or women who are pregnant and have this disorder it used to be a leading cause of brain damage in infants but now it can be easily detected at birth and then one must simply avoid comsumption of phenylalanine as a child or when pregnant heather religion re rosicrucian order s in a previous article ba mrcnext cso uiuc edu b a davis howe says on the subject of how many competing rc orders there are let me point out the golden dawn is only the outer order of that tradition the inner order is the roseae rubeae et aurae crucis just wondering do you mean the lectorium rosicrucianum warning there is no point in arguing whos legit and whos not which golden dawn are you talking about just for the sake of argument reflecting no affiliation i am going to say that the true rosicrucian order is the fraternitas rosae crucis in quakertown penn any takers fraternally tony guns re newspapers censoring gun advertisements in article 81930415084418 0005111312na3em mcimail com 0005111312 mcimail com peter nesbitt writes recently while looking around in traders sporting goods store a very well stocked firearms store i discovered a printed document that was being distributed by the good folks who work there traders btw is located in san leandro ca the newspapers have now decided to censor gun ads which is why you no longer see the ads that traders san leandro has run for many years these ads were run for the law abiding honest citizens who own firearms for sporting use or self protection they certainly have the right to do so under the second amendment right to bear arms are you sure about this im currently looking at a copy of last thursdays sf chronicle and there is the typical one column traders ad on page c7 in the sports section not only that but there is a part in the middle which rather prominently says wanted we pay cash for assault rifles and pistols granted i havent seen todays paper yet but id be surprised if there wasnt a traders ad in it its probably worth it to write to the chronicle and other papers anyway because all their anti gun editorials are disgusting by the way let me put in a plug for traders i have shopped all over the sf bay area and i have never seen another store with lower prices and their selection is amazing lee gaucher my opinions gaucher sam cchem berkeley edu no one elses windows trnasfering binary files from terminal to unix im attempting to transfer files from my home computer running windows 3 1 terminal to a workstation at school the file transfer protocol at home is kermit for binary files im running kermit on the workstation at school and setting the file transfer protocol to binary i am unable to upload files to school but can download files from school to home during download terminal displays ther retrying message several times then the message verify youre using the correct protocol anyone have any ideas on how to fix either e mail or post to this group thanks in advance brian anderson go pens make it 14 in a row cars re plug wires do they really need replacement in article 1rgvv2 am4 haven umd edu vadik cs umd edu vadim maslov wrote hi netters i went to all tune and lube for routine maintenance and they said i need to change plug wires because they are original ones and you driven 70 k miles on them i had a strong suspicion that they just wanted to make money wires had no visible defects and my repair manual doesnt recommend any scheduled maintenance for them is it plain vanilla rip off or there can be some backing behind their suggestion to replace wires i have ford taurus 86 vadim maslov i once had a sparking problem with my 65 mustang and simply changing the spark plug wires fixed it philip bush national champion motorola inc schaumburg il sho convention show email cpb004 email mot com 3rd place concours phone 708 576 3175 judged baseball re darrrrrrrrryl mark singer brings up the strawberry incident where he lost a homerun and the fan caught it before each dodger game the public address announcer makes a speech wherein he says that fans are welcome to the souvenirs of balls that are hit into the stands as long as they do not interfere with any that are in the field of play was the fan wrong should he have been more aware of the situation and acted to avoid any possibility of interference yes i think he should have done more to get out of the way as much as fans want to catch a ball they really should be aware that winning the game is more important as a dodger fan he has to be aware that this is the home stadium and that entails helping the home team win in any way possible as soon as the ball was hit that far his first instinct should be to root for darryl to catch it not to try to catch it himself particularly when he is sitting that close i enjoy the attitude of the wrigley fans where they are against visiting team home runs so much they actually throw them back on the field now this has nothing to do with whether darryl could have caught it or not sure he probably screwed up but the fan should realize his first responsibility is to get out of the way and help the team win daniel daniel caldera usc edu windows re ati ultra pro drivers in article c5jldc hl9 news cso uiuc edu jroberts ux4 cso uiuc edu robertson writes does anybody know the ftp site with the latest windows drivers for the ati gup thanks the latest driver release is 59 and can be found at ftp cica indiana edu in the pub pc win3 directory structure as pro59 zip i checked with atis bbs last nite and there were no releases past 59 we have the ati local bus card and i noticed that i get garbage around the edges of a window when i move it has anybody else noticed this also tom thomas b fisk internet fisk mayo edu mayo clinic if you dont know where voice 507 255 4341 200 first street sw youre going youll never fax 507 255 5484 mail stop 2d 337 stm get there rochester mn 55905 guns re cnn for sale in article 93106 21394634aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes in article 2001 150 uupcb yob sccsi com jim wray yob sccsi com jim wray says bill vojak bv i read in the paper yestarday that ted turner wants to trim down bv his media holdings and is putting cnn up for sale the 1 potential bv bidder time warner of course sigh just what we need maybe nows the time for us the nra goa ccrtkba saf et al to band together and buy cnn as our voice wouldnt that be sumpin broadcast the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro gun item or two i would like to see this happen i dont think it will i dont think the average gun owner will take any notice of what is happening until they break down his door but i will go on record publicly to the effect that i will contribute a minimum of 1 000 00 to the buy out fund if it can be organized and made viable anybody else want to put their money where their mouth is there ar 50 million gun owners out there if and its a big and not very realistic if we got hold of cnn the anti gun bullshit would stop right there why wont it happen because nobody will get off their ass and make it happen nuts i will join the ranks here if someone has the ability to actually put this thing together and get enough support ill also contribute 1000 to the effort and jeeze people im a student with no job yet and i will put up my own hard earned savings if it means we have a shot at getting the truth told on the airwaves count me in mike ruff this above all to thine own s t r i d e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self be true polonius those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin baseball re infield fly rule jrogoff scott skidmore edu jay rogoff writes one last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasnt yet been addressed i believe the rule also does not deal with this situation however if the infield fly is not caught at what point can a runner legally leave his base w o fear of being doubled off for advancing too early the runner can leave his base at any time if the ball is caught hes got to tag up if it isnt caught he doesnt have to tag up at all so if hes feeling lucky your runner at second can sprint for glory as soon as the ball is popped up if it isnt caught hes probably scored a run if it is hes probably headed for aaa the only effect the infield fly has is to make the batter out thereby removing the force on the runners on base all other rules apply as if you were standing second with first open and the ball is popped up tim shippert shippert cco caltech edu if we are going to stick to this damned quantum jumping then i regret that i ever had anything to do with quantum theory e schrodinger guns re high power assault guns in article 1993apr14 143825 13476 stortek com vojak icebucket stortek com bill vojak writes alaska with 1 uzi 1 20 rnd magazine and 1 big polar bear id make that 1 big mad and hungry with cubs nearby polar bear drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho when you outlaw rights only outlaws will have rights spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrection nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia mi5 mi6 kgb deuterium windows re atm or truetype which to choose in article c4tdgt mqq csn org rjn teal csn org wrote csd25 keele ac uk c m yearsley writes ive just bought a pc which came with a bundle of lotus stuff including adobe type manager version 1 15 as a newcomer to windows im confused about which i should be using atm or truetype if you are going to stay with atm be sure to upgrade to 2 5 which replaces 2 0 who knows how old 1 15 is 2 5 is as fast as tt and if you disable the small screen fonts atm does better screen rendering at the smaller point sizes not true both type 1 and tt fonts can be of excellent quality and poor quality at any size it all depends on the fonts maker and the complexity of the glyphs related to the size and resolution at which they are viewed probably the reason for your opinion experience that tt is inferior is because most tt fonts on the market today have been converted from type 1 outlines to tt either by the font vendor or end users using fontographer or fontmonger instead of the tt fonts being hand hinted to take advantage of the tt hinting language at best these converted tt fonts will be on a par with the type 1 font of its orgin truetype is a much richer and more robust hinting language than type 1 the hinting of diagonals for instance which tt does and type 1 cannot if you check out the windows 3 1 core fonts times arial courier symbol wingdings youll see what can be done with tt there are other fonts out there that have been hand hinted and not just converted some of the microsoft tt font pack 2 fonts are hinted very well you can use both tt and atm fonts at the same time if you like atm type 1 fonts tend to be of higher quality and be more complete in terms of foreign characters again not true the characters in a tt or type 1 font depend on the maker if someone converts a type 1 font to tt theyll only get the characters in the font of orgin tt allows for much more flexibility in this area as well you can have thousands of glyphs in a tt font file mac ps windows unicode char set and use the characters appropriate for the particular platform you are running the font on for instance all or our fontpack 2 tt fonts have the mac windows char set in them the metrics of the fonts are such that if the font is brought over to the mac the user will have access to the full mac char set regards 1001 a east harmony road bob niland suite 503 internet rjn csn org fort collins co 80525 compuserve 71044 2124 303 223 5209 hope this clears up some of the confusion feel free to contact me if anyone would like more info regards dave glenn program manager microsoft tt font stuff davidgl microsoft com compuserve 72420 1067 medicine re krillean photography in article 1rgnn6 lli fnnews fnal gov dh fncrd6 fnal gov don husby writes poor persons kirlian photography try this at home 1 hold your hand up to a cold window 2 look closely at the stunning corona effects around your fingertips 3 remove hand from window and observe after image 4 invent crackpot theory to explain the effect advanced kirlian photography try this at home too 1 get a camera 2 have your subject face you with his her back to the sun 3 take photo 4 observe the glow behind their silhouetted image on the photo 5 invent crackpot theory to explain the effect john mechalas im not an actor but mechalas gn ecn purdue edu i play one on tv aero engineering purdue university include disclaimer h cars 93 ford probe gt engine problems one of the local dealers has a used 7k miles 93 probe gt on the lot with a photocopy of a document taped to the window saying the dealership bought the car back from the previous owner because of engine noises but that the ford district rep had oked the car saying those noises were normal i thought it was worth looking into the car seems otherwise clean and mentioned this to a co worker who proceeded to tell me a horror story about her sons 93 probe gt which had several problems ending with engine noises which she said was something with the heads that ford acknowledged the noise said they were working on it but didnt have a cure as of yet her son traded the car in and i checked not the same car so i have some evidence of a reoccuring problem with the v6 in the probe gts and by extension with the madza 626 and mx 6 anything to this id love to consider buying the gt im turning 40 time for my scheduled mid life crisis but id hate to find out i just became the proud owner of a lemon medicine left side pains hello to everybody i write here because i am kind of desperate for about six weeks ive been suffering on pains in my left head side the left leg and sometimes the left arm i made many tests e g computer tomography negative lyme borreliosis negative all electrolytes in the blood in their correct range theyre all o k so i should be healthy as a matter of fact i am not feeling so i was also at a neurologists too he considered me healthy too the blood tests have shown that i have little too much of hemoglobin 17 5 common range is 14 to 17 i unfortunately do not know about the units could these hemi sided pains be the result of this or of a also possible block of the neck muscles i have no fever and i am not feeling entirely sick but neither entirely healthy please answer by direct email on ghilardi urz unibas ch thanks for every hint nico religion re oto the ancient order of oriental templars in article 79615 cup portal com thyagi cup portal com thyagi morgoth nagasiva writes to all whom it may concern it is known only to a few that there exists an external visible organization of such men and women who having themselves found the path to real self knowledge and who having travelled the burning sands are willing to give the benefit of their experience and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be guided while numberless societies associations orders groups etc have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of the civilised world all following some line of occult study yet there is but one ancient organization of genuine mystics which shows the seeker after truth a royal road to discover the lost mysteries of antiquity and to the unveiling of the one hermetic truth this organization is known at the present time as the ancient order of oriental templars ordo templi orientis otherwise the hermetic brotherhood of light up to this point i was kinda hoping that this was a joke still it would make a great premise for a bad syndicated tv show these are the adventures of the oriental templars dedicated to truth justice and good karma dramatic music in the background no doubt ive just horribly offended someone mike swaim whenever the soft drink machine needs to be swaim owlnet rice edu restocked rather than getting angry disclamer i lie meditate on the impermanence of all things and the emptiness of coke religion re rosicrucian order s ch981 cleveland freenet edu tony alicea writes in a previous article ba mrcnext cso uiuc edu b a davis howe says on the subject of how many competing rc orders there are let me point out the golden dawn is only the outer order of that tradition the inner order is the roseae rubeae et aurae crucis just wondering do you mean the lectorium rosicrucianum warning there is no point in arguing whos legit and whos not which golden dawn are you talking about no i dont mean the lr whatever that is as for which gd im using the complete golden dawn system of magic as my source so unless regardie is lying im pulling the name out the the original orders rituals the multiple modern groups are part of why i through in the comment about all the spin offs just for the sake of argument reflecting no affiliation i am going to say that the true rosicrucian order is the fraternitas rosae crucis in quakertown penn as a member of the religious society of friends my membership is in the urbana champaign il friends meeting i find that amusingly ironic any takers not me i dont want to belong to anything which runs around claiming to be the true whatever i find that disgusting enjoy the journey branarthur queer peculiar and wyrd closed minds dont want to know jjobermark cars re rfi art of clutchless shifting schludermann sscvx1 ssc gov writes im wondering if anybody else out there is a clutchless shifter ive been doing it my self over 200 000 miles on my current toyota truck ive got over 150k ive heard people talk about how doing this can damage a transmission my experiences suggest otherwise what techniques do you use yeah i dont use the clutch all the time either ive done it with fords bmw datsun and chevy and it works fine i cant think of any reason that it would damage the tranny essentially you are just doing what the synchros do anyhow match the engine speed with the tranny speed and slip it into gear on some old pieces of junk i drove the transmission was so worn that pumping the clutch was the only way to shift except clutchless to date ive driven rabbits datsuns comets fords a chevy some where harder than others to shift but generally the higher the milage the smoother quicker easier they where to shift my technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently wrist back on the shift lever if for some reason i miss the shift window i lightly press the accelerator try agian ive found that clutchless shifting is eaiser quicker at high rpms 4000 7000 i also skip gears some times using 1 3 5 1 2 4 5 sounds about right i usually slip it out during throttle down and then blip the throttle and wait until it feels like things are right usually about a second and then slip it into gear krispy jon you obviously dont know who youre dealing with gross jong halcyon com windows re moving icons in article 1bp0rahpbh107h viamar uucp rutgers viamar kmembry writes i remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away from the mouse as it moved near them does anyone know the name of this program and the ftp location probably at cica theres a program called icon frightener included with the book stupid windows tricks by bob levitus and ed tittel addison wesley 1992 its freeware if its not on the net anywhere ill happily email a copy to someone whos willing to upload it i cant upload through our internet firewall bob nichols at t bell laboratories rnichols ihlpm ih att com windows re windows gripe theres one thing about windows that really frosts me i have 20mb of ram installed in my system i use a 5mb 2 5mb under windows disk cache and a 4mb permanent swap file while i can never fill the memory up i still have problems sometimes because i run out of gdi resources what gives i think windows could manage these resources a little better are you using windows 3 0 or 3 1 if youre still on 3 0 3 1 devotes about twice as much memory to these and runs out much less frequently if 3 1 you might use one of the resource monitors such as the one that comes with the windows 3 1 resource kit or one of the many shareware ones available to see which programs are hogging the resources every icon internal graphics brush etc in every program running uses a certain amount of this limited memory area also some dont give it back when theyre finished lamont downs downs nevada edu cars re too fast in a previous article tedebear leland stanford edu theodore chen says in article 1qh61m b6l armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes compare either to the porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed to go fast you have a point about the brakes especially seeing as how the mustang doesnt even have disc brakes in the back but there are significant differences between the latest 911s and the late 80s 911s not the least of which is handling im not i think you mean late 60s the biggest change that porsche undertook to alter the tailhappieness of their baby was way back in august 1968 for the 69 model year when they stretched the wheelbase besides some people actually know how to take advantage of oversteer and enjoy it in europe the 911 got low marks for high speed handling though to be fair they might have been comparing it to the vettes handling what was that phil hill famous race car driver said about the you should have seen what phil hill world champion had to say about the vettes hes driven 911 turbo you cant make a thoroughbred out of a pig but you can have an awful fast pig yeah that was what he said paul frere agreed they both prefered the porsche modified by ruf to either of the vettes at that test al bowers dod 900 alfa ducati hobie kottke blad iaido nasa well goodness sakes dont you know that girls cant play guitar mary chapin carpenter cars re old corvettes low insurance and corvette prices in article rjnc5sxmg jqh netcom com rjn netcom com richard newton ii writes in article 1993apr15 011805 28485 ns1 cc lehigh edu swr2 ns1 cc lehigh edu scott warren rosander writes in article c5csux fn1 news cso uiuc edu gdhg8823 uxa cso uiuc edu george hei nz writes after too many years of school im finally graduating and getting a real job of course i am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra money right now i have an 89 accord a good car but not real sporty i was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around 20k on a sports car of some kind after thinking about it i may have a better idea ill keep the accord until it drops and buy the car ive always wanted a corvette stingray my reasoning is that 8000 accord 8000 corvette 16000 is less than what i would spend anyway basically im thinking of a late 70s early 80s for around 7 10k my question is what are good years to consider for reliability looks horsepower in that order believe it or not horsepower is not a main concern if i want to go fast i get on my motorcycle and what are good prices 63 to 82 vettes had the same basic chassis 1980 add aluminum weaker rear axle housing all these years used same brakes similar springs etc late 70s was a bad year for gm reliability catastrophic converter was added in 1975 cheapest corvette 78 to 79 low end about 4k tops out about 12k except for those morooons that think there 78 indy 25th aniversity vette is special these guys have been known to ask 25k i dont think they get it best buy convertables 69 74 i got my 69 for 5k needs body work but im willing parts for all are readily avail at swap meets and mail order etc v 8 reliability looks independant suspension 4 wheel disk and all under 10k and they thought a miata was a good deal also what would insurance look like im male single 23 i might wait until im 25 to get the car lower insurance would the fact that i mainly drive the other car lower it is there some type of classic car or rarely driven insurance class for driving it under 10k miles per year my dad has a 66 vette and its on what you say classic insurance basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving time which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would probably suit your needs for limited mileage my origional inquires to my insurance agent i can drive my 69 convertable for 3000 miles or less per year i must keep it in a locked garage and it will cost me 2 of the stated value per year does this sound right ive also been looking at vettes recently and found a 67 convertible that i like at a dealer i currently own an 88 ford escort gt which is insured through state farm i called em up and asked about the rates if i sell the escort the vette insurance is 401 16 per 6 months if i keep the escort the vette insurance is 308 82 per 6 months the escorts insurance goes down by 10 to approx 320 per 6 months im 28 male and have a good driver discount another variable would be where you live best bet is to just call up some insurance brokers and get a quote state farm says they base the price on the fair market value of the car which is determined by an outside apprasier they look in the newspaper and call up dealers to find out what the going rate is and adjust it for the condition of the car to get the values above they went on the selling price of the car the dealers asking price is 21 900 i need to do research to find out if this is reasonable in any case i told state farm the value was 20k get an appraiser to look at the car he will check serial numbers and look for origional equipe depending on what mods have been done the car could be worth only 10k problems like wrong engine trans wrong paint type vetts used lacquer an modification would reduce tthe value but your looking for a car to drive right this sounds like a ball park price for a small block 327 cu in manual no air car a 427 would put it closer to 30k get it appraised for insurance purposes also guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 1ra0i5 h69 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares wrote perhaps youve been under a rock since say the turn of the century how in the is one man supposed to review every single freaking governmental action every day thats why we have an executive branch he reviewed the plan and said go but he wasnt the architect and he wasnt there bullhorn in hand implementing it yes he was responsible in the sense that he was briefed so what shit happens hey joe assuming youre old enough to remember it how did you feel about presidential responsibility every time reagan said i dont recall about his arms for hostages meetings with the ollie north gang how did you feel about it when bush said he was out of the loop on that decision when he was right there in the thick of it oh right he was responsible in the sense that he was briefed but so what shit happens is that what you said of course not theres more than a little difference between formulating foreign policy and overseeing the atfs handling of a scenario involving a group of religious fanatics why do people compare apples and oranges joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu medicine need survival data on colon cancer a relative of mine was recently diagnosed with colon cancer i would like to know the best source of survival statistics for this disease when discovered at its various stages i would prefer to be directed to a recent source of this data rather than receive the data itself thank you barry rein brein jplpost jpl nasa gov no clever comment guns re janet reno on nightline in article finn 93apr20102525 dalek isi edu finn isi edu greg finn writes i am bothered by the suggestion of child abuse that janet reno used several times last night both on and off nightline as a de facto justification for approving the raid if that is to be used as a justification of potentially lethal force attack on the compound and doing structural damage can fairly be called that then that evidence had better be quite strong that seemed to be on ted kopels mind last night reno stated that they had evidence of child abuse she would not say what it was koreshs now ex lawyer was inside the compound repeatedly and told her to her face last night that he saw plenty of happy children playing with their mothers and no signs of child abuse whatsoever no brooding silent children no apparent bruising and so on her reply to this was that child abuse is not always as evident as that true but what better evidence could the fbi have had at this point it seems difficult to see how the fbi could have had better evidence than that seen by koreshs lawyer who was an eye witness having lived in la and seen the media and authority feeding frenzy that accompanied the mcmartin preschool debacle i have seen just how hot a button a child abuse charge can be child abuse has been used before by authorities as a justification to discard prudence i find janet renos repeated assertions of evidence of child abuse rather curious wasnt the warrant issued for a supposed weapons violation that certainly had nothing to do with child abuse are we to assume therefore that new evidence of child abuse arose after the issuance of that warrant and the initial assault if so i fail to see now how that new evidence was gathered and how it could be better that on site eye witness evidence gregory finn 310 822 1511 information sciences institute marina del rey ca 90292 on tv news this morning it was reported that the local texas authorities who have reviewed the cases of the 21 children who were released earlier in the siege have found no evidence of physical or sexual abuse of any of the children i dont recall if this was on good morning america or our local texas tv station joe gaut in the super state it really does not f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter at all what actually happened remember the alamo truth is what the government chooses to remember waco tell you justice is what it wants to happen jim garrison new orleans la medicine re cholistasis sp fat free diet pregnancy aldridge netcom com jacquelin aldridge writes i decided to come back and amend this so it quotes me and has added comments heart access digex com g writes hi it started to hurt when i lay on my right side and then it hurt no matter what position i was in next i noticed that when i ate greasy or fatty foods i felt like my entire abdomen had turned to stone and the pain in the area got worse however if i ate sauerkraut or vinegar or something to cut the fat it wasnt as much of a problem so the doctor says i have cholistatis and that i should avoid fatty foods this makes sense and because i was already aware of what seemed to me this cause and effect relationship i have been avoiding these foods on my own but im still able to eat foods with ricotta cheese for instance and other low fat foods but doc wants me to be on a non fat diet this means no meat except fish and chicken w o skin i do this anyway no nuts fried food cheese etc i am allowed skim milk she said i should avoid anything sweet e g bananas also i must only have one serving of something high in carbohydrates a day potatoes pasta rice she said i cant even cook vegetables in a little bit of oil and that i should eat vegetables raw or steamed im concerned because i understand you need to have some fat in your diet to help in the digestive process and if g for one week she probably wants to see how you react to the diet if it changes anything you can live on the diet but you need to up your non fat calories where before you had a pat of butter now you need a medium apple probably microwave cooked smaller meals but more of them not terrific amounts of meat its hard to digest anyway first even fish fowl and breads have fat second the body will make fat out of carbohydrates if it needs them third your body like most peoples wasnt bred to live on a high fat modern diet if you read texts about ancient and primative people you will read about the luxury of eating fat how people enjoyed it this was because it was so rare even cows didnt put out nearly the amount of butterfat in milk that they do now for comfort and to make the carbohydrate meal last longer eat pasta or rice which give their calories up slowly rather than bread or corn maybe smaller meals as you may be getting less room in the stomach area is the baby still coming up is it starting to push or rub under your ribs how tight are your clothes you shouldnt be wearing any clothing that compresses your middle be sure not to suck in your stomach when sitting again it will put pressure on the digestive tract try laying on your sides back and stay in reclining positions for the many hours you are being inactive easier on your legs circulation as well you might try letting the baby turn or at least not be forced under the ribs during the last months when you are shortwaisted its easy for that baby to end up right under the diaphram especially if you have tight abdominal muscles if i had my second one to do over again i think id have tried to loosen up since he didnt turn sideways until late and the relief was enormous maybe this doctor does have a thing about weight gain in pregnancy or maybe she just nags all her patients this way especially if shes young but this gallbladder whatever problem that might be coming up is something to be avoided if possible you dont want to become ill with it while you are pregnant if you are lucky you can work on getting rid of it after the baby it is said that doctors have less gallbadder surgery than the rest of the population a good part of it is that they are willing to do the dieting etc that helps them avoid surgery also i dont think the surgery lets a person go back to eating a high fat diet nausea etc can vary from person to person and with each pregnancy my first pregnancy was miserable during the second i had very little trouble some articles have said that women with nausea had a statistically better chance of carrying their baby grain of salt here good luck jackie medicine drop your drawers and the doctor will see you organization temple university x newsreader nnr vm s 1 3 2 last week i went to see a gastroenterologist i had never met this doctor before and she did not know what i was there for as soon as i arrived somebody showed me to an examining room and handed me a gown they told me to undress from the waist down to be exact and wait for the doctor is this the usual drill when you go to a doctor for the first time i dont have much experience going to doctors knock on wood but on the couple of occasions when ive gone to a new doctor i met him with my clothes on first he introduced himself asked what i was there for and took a history all before i undressed are patients usually expected to get naked before meeting a doctor for the first time personally id prefer to meet the doctor on something remotely resembling a condition of parity and to establish an identity as a person who wears clothes before dropping my drawers if nothing else it minimizes the time that i have to spend in the self conscious ill at ease and vulnerable condition of a person with a bare bottom talking to somebody who is fully clothed does anybody besides me regard this get naked first and then we can talk attitude as insensitive also is it unusual james arbuckle email v5113e vm temple edu baseball belcher terrific tomlin not reds win 5 0 redreport 4 20 tim belcher pitched a dandy three hit shut out tonight as cincinnati won their second straight 5 0 pittsburgh lefty randy tomlin was hit early and often by the heavily right unbalanced reds line up which managed some recently rare power with their bats belcher 1 1 was solid throughout and in fact seemed to get stronger as the game progressed early on he had several three ball counts but even those were few and far between later on as he allowed only one base on balls while striking out nine in a post game interview he said his change up was working for him i should say so all nine of his strikeouts were apparently on breaking balls tomlin 0 1 on the other hand was in trouble early giving up a second pitch double to lead off batter bip roberts bobby kelly followed with a single and barry larkin scored roberts with a sharp single to right the big guys mitchell sabo milligan were unable to get anything after that in fact they all struck out but kelly managed a score anyway due to a double steal and a tomlin wild pitch in fact it appeared that tomlin was going to recover nicely from his shaky start he retired 9 of the next 11 batters to get to the fourth behind only 2 0 randy milligan though had different ideas as his line shot was poorly played by orlando merced and turned into a triple milligan would later score on reggie sanders sacrifice fly giving cinci the 3 0 lead after 4 the fifth inning spelled loss for tomlin when roberts led off with his second double of the game and one batter later larkin smacked a double down the left field line chasing tomlin barry later would score the final run on tom princes two base passed ball the pirates managed their only threat of the day in the bottom half of the fifth when merced and kevin young hit back to back singles the second being of the bunt variety but carlos garcia struck out prince fit a foul fly and pinch hitter lonnie smith kd to end any pittsburgh hope pittsburgh pitchers backed tomlin up well though relievers blas minor moeller sp and nagel gave up only two hits in their four plus innings work barry larkin left the game in the seventh when the grounder he mis played bruised his right thumb he was taken to the hospital for precautionary x rays lets hope hes ok cincinnati is now 4 9 still the worst record in the majors but with the two wins they may be looking at moving out of the cellar pittsburgh is now 7 6 reds fans if you would like to receive this report on a semi daily basis as often as i write it send me your e mail address and ill put you on the list if someone has a reds mailing list please forward it to me and ill put everyone on the list cincinnati reds ab r h k bb lo roberts 2b 4 2 2 1 0 1 kelly cf 4 1 1 0 0 0 larkin ss 3 1 3 0 0 0 branson ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 mitchell lf 4 0 1 1 0 0 hernandez lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 sabo 3b 4 0 0 1 0 1 milligan 1b 4 1 1 2 0 1 sanders rf 3 0 0 2 0 0 oliver c 4 0 2 2 0 0 belcher p 4 0 0 2 0 1 totals 34 5 10 11 0 4 3b milligan off tomlin leading off fourth scored 2b roberts off tomlin leading off first scored roberts off tomlin leading off fifth scored larkin off tomlin in fifth one out runner on second rbi scored sf sanders rbi larkin 2 sanders sb kelly larkin gdp sabo pittsburgh pirates ab r h k bb lo martin lf 4 0 0 0 0 1 bell ss 4 0 0 1 0 0 van slyke cf 4 0 0 0 0 0 king 3b 3 0 0 2 1 0 merced rf 3 0 1 1 0 0 young 1b 2 0 1 1 0 0 garcia 2b 3 0 0 2 0 1 prince c 3 0 1 0 0 0 tomlin p 1 0 0 0 0 0 minor p 0 0 0 0 0 0 smith ph 1 0 0 1 0 2 moeller p 0 0 0 0 0 0 waynor ph 1 0 0 1 0 0 nagel p 0 0 0 0 0 0 29 0 3 9 1 4 gdp merced cincinnati 2 0 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 5 11 1 pittsburgh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 pitching ip r er h k bb cincinnati belcher w 1 1 9 0 0 3 9 1 cg 1 so 1 line of the day e larkin pittsburgh tomlin l 0 1 4 1 3 5 5 9 6 0 minor 2 3 0 0 1 0 0 moeller 2 0 0 0 3 0 nagel 1 0 0 1 2 0 wp tomlin pb prince umps rippley hallion quick crawford att 9 077 t 2 14 coming up the reds play two more in pitts then go to chicago for a weekend series the weather doesnt look good though dont be surprised if one or more games get rained out tomorrow 7 35 jose rijo vs steve cook then smiley vs wakefield on thursday rstimets baseball al stats i am looking for a source of american league baseball stats for individual players in the same format as printed in newspapers ie i do not want to provide a list of players and get back nice printed reports for 35 a week does anyone know of such statistics availability and an idea of the cost canada remote systems toronto ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044 windows windows for workgroups and lan workplace this may be a simple question but we have a number of pcs which we use to link to a mainframe using novell lan workplace for dos via windows 3 1 now to make life easier for us we are thinking of using windows for workgroups to allow file sharing across our pc network now does anyone know if it is possible to use w4wg and lan workplace for dos at the same time ie can i access a file on another pc while being logged on to the mainframe at the same time simultaneously any help well appreciated gary hunt centre for advanced studies in architecture university of bath absgh gdr bath ac uk guns re waco clinton press conference part 1 in article 1993apr21 160642 12470 ringer cs utsa edu whughes lonestar utsa edu william w hughes writes from whughes lonestar utsa edu william w hughes subject re waco clinton press conference part 1 date wed 21 apr 1993 16 06 42 gmt in article feustelc5tw49 7p5 netcom com feustel netcom com david feustel writes i predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the federal assault in waco will result in future assaults of that type being conducted as full scale military operations with explicit shoot to kill directives you mean they arent already could have fooled me remember waco who will the government decide to murder next maybe you opinions are mine i dont care if you blame the university or the state well it seems we dont learn the lessons of history do we i was hoping that kent state taught us a lesson apparently not apparently the government will murder anyone they choose to still rawlin blake blake nevada edu no sig is a good sig medicine re diet for crohns ibd in article 1r6g8finne88 ceti cs unc edu jge cs unc edu john eyles wrote a friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of crohns disease but she cant seem to eat certain foods such as fresh vegetables without discomfort and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence her question is are there any nutritionists who specialize in the problems of people with crohns disease i saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric thanks in advance john eyles jge cs unc edu if she is having problems with fresh vegetables the guess is that there is some obstruction of the intestine without knowing more it is not possible to say whether the obstruction is permanent due to scarring or temporary due to swelling of inflammed intestine in general there are no dietary limitations in patients with crohns except as they relate to obstruction there is no evidence that any foods will bring on recurrence of crohns it is important to distinguish recurrence from recurrent symptoms a physician would think of new inflammation as recurrence while pains from raw veggies just imply a narrowing of the intestine your friend should look into membership in the crohns and colitis foundation of america 1 800 932 2423 good luck to your friend steve holland medicine re nasopharinx carcenoma in article y55z0d rpi edu chungy2 rebecca its rpi edu yau felix chung writes hi does anyone know the possible causes of nasoparynx carcenoma and what are the chances of it being hereditary nasopharyngeal cancer is roughly dont have references at hand 20 30 times more prevalent in chinese than caucasians particularly those chinese from southern china one province or region has an extraordinary excess the chinese and others have done major studies some association with the epstein barr virus has been noted also in the advacned cases what is the general procedure to reduce the pain the area as it prevents the patient from eating due to the excessive pain of swallowing and even talking palliative radiotherapy is used guns re govt break ins re 60 minutes in article 1993apr5 155733 114 pasadena dc bofa com franceschi pasadena dc bofa com writes on a los angeles radio station last weekend the lawyers for the family of the murdered rancher said that the los angeles sheriffs department had an assessment done of the ranchers property before the raid the briefing documents for the raid had a notation on them about a similar local property which had sold for 800 000 prior to the raid if recent tv coverage can be believed this strongly implies that the sheriffs department wanted the property any drugs which were not found were only an excuse the ventura county da came to the same conclusion in the report he released which lambasted the sheriffs office too bad the old man was nearly blind and didnt take a few goose stepping drug warriors tm with him kirk hays nra life seventh generation the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing edmund burke 1729 1797 guns re change of name in article cmm 0 90 2 735383339 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes im not trying to censor this or any newsgroup im just trying to give some hints about other newsgroups doesnt this belong to alt conspiracy drop three billiard balls on a ramp and they all roll in the same direction pour some blood into the sea and sharks will converge from miles around throw a pebble at one starling and all 200 will depart natural processes can mimic the outward results of conspiracy when no actual conspiracy is required put a government functionary in an embarrassing situation and he quickly covers his ass this too is completely natural about waco it looks to me as the batf and fbi cant handle situations like this it looks that way to me too but you have to understand that its not the first time they have instigated raids like these the most recent one also ended up in a long standoff but it wasnt quite as public as this one and they didnt kill quite as many people maybe this screwup will make them think long and hard about raiding any more residences in this manner but probably not the way it went reminds me of stun bomb beeing dropped on a house in la from a helicopter whole block went up in flames 5 died i assume youre talking about philadelphia it doesnt have to be a conspiracy maybe they just screwed up if youre a fan of conspiracies the time to make that batch of popcorn is after the screwup when its time for the coverup cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet guns re hr 1276 a gun law i can live with in article 1993apr21 200151 4937 dg rtp dg com meyers leonardo rtp dg com bill meyers writes a bill to establish the right to obtain firearms for security and to use firearms in defense of self family or home and to provide for the enforcement of such right in article 1qkshq l39 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes maybe im too religious but when i see a bill to establish a right i wince keep in mind what the law giveth the law can taketh away hey guys youre absolutely correct and well on the way to winning this battle and losing the war yes there are serious philosophical flaws in hr 1276 technical ones too howd you like to sue the feds lose and have to pay their reasonable attorneys fee still i have one basic question compared to what weve got is hr 1276 a better or b worse this one shouldnt even take you three guesses compared to the second amendment i think its worse the problem is the devil is in the details you know the brady bill sounds like a good idea too until you discover that there is no check and that the police dont have to allow your purchase even if you check out and that you have no recourse if they dont are there any loopholes here im no lawyer i cant be sure i would have never noticed the second one mentioned above in the brady bill for example the more words involved the more details what was that saying about abraham lincoln requiring 200 words to free the slaves and the modern congress requiring 3 000 000 words to describe price controls on rice if theres a good enough show of support for hr 1276 maybe for a change we could be the ones saying its a reasonable first step that only works with bad laws good laws are like good computer programs quality has to be written in from the start not added on later cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars rfi art of clutchless shifting im wondering if anybody else out there is a clutchless shifter ive been doing it my self over 200 000 miles on my current toyota truck ive got over 150k ive heard people talk about how doing this can damage a transmission my experiences suggest otherwise what techniques do you use on some old pieces of junk i drove the transmission was so worn that pumping the clutch was the only way to shift except clutchless to date ive driven rabbits datsuns comets fords a chevy some where harder than others to shift but generally the higher the milage the smoother quicker easier they where to shift my technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently wrist back on the shift lever if for some reason i miss the shift window i lightly press the accelerator try agian ive found that clutchless shifting is eaiser quicker at high rpms 4000 7000 i also skip gears some times using 1 3 5 1 2 4 5 krispy windows more diamond ss 24x has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this card is only in windows i have replaced card and am waiting on latest drivers also have experienced general protection fault errors in wspdpsf drv on winword tools option menu and in winfax setup i had a ati ultra but was getting genral protection fault errors in an spss application these card manufactures must have terrible quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs what a hassle running on gateway 2000 dx2 50 thx dave l medicine re pregnency without sex in article stephen 735806195 mont stephen mont cs missouri edu stephen montgomery smith writes when i was a school boy my biology teacher told us of an incident in which a couple were very passionate without actually having sexual intercourse somehow the girl became pregnent as sperm cells made their way to her through the clothes via persperation was my biology teacher misinforming us or do such incidents actually occur sperm deposited near the entrance of the vagina has been known to cause pregnancy even in the presence of a hymen i doubt that sperm could make it through a layer of cloth then find the right path to a waiting ovum but it might be possible so it is possible for a woman to be both virgin and pregnant also some hymens are sufficiently loose to allow near normal intercourse without rupturing the problem when investigating these phenomenae is of course getting an honest account of what exactly happened philippe cars re electronic odometers was used bmw question i consulted with someone working on an electronic odometer the design was to use a microprocessor based system to write a somewhat ofuscated pattern into an eeprom the idea was to make the circuit difficult to program arbitrary values into the eeprom the secondary purpose acutally the primary purpose from the standpoint of practicality was to distributed the writes so as to avoid exceeing the maximum number of writes fof the eeprom being used the microprocessor also ignored pulses coming from the hall effect at a rate any higher than 110 mph so as to make spoofing the reading by bench pulsing at least somewhat undesirable this was for an automobile that was not expected to ever exceed 110 mph in operation the case of course might not be the same for your 1993 rx 7 the ecm modules of some cars do indeed store info about conditions under which cars have been operated since steering angle and velocity data etc is available it would not be difficult to collect all sorts of interesting demographic information about the drivers use of the car i am not aware of any manufacturer currently trying to enforce warranty restrictions based on reading out use data from the ecm while it could be a potential invasion of your privacy for manufacturers to have access to data about your driving style it could also provide valuable information from actual field use conditions to help engineer more appropriate cars i personally wouldnt mind the dealer collecting my driving demographics as long as it is done in an anonymous fashion bill mayhew neoucom computer services department rootstown oh 44272 9995 usa phone 216 325 2511 wtm uhura neoucom edu 140 220 1 1 146 580 n8wed windows re tidying up after removing an ole server in article c5y121 kz3 liverpool ac uk qq43 liverpool ac uk chris wooff writes a while ago i installed spss for windows as part of an evaluation once the evaluation was complete i duly deleted the software from my pc unfortunately there is still a ghost of spss left when i run something like write and go to embed an object then spss chart appears on the list of objects im offered i looked around all the obvious ini files without success the next thing i tried was looking for the string spss chart in every file in the windows directory it turned up in a file called req dat or reg dat unfortunately the file was binary and so i didnt feel inclined to edit it id welcome a solution for removing spss from the list of ole servers i think you can do this with regedit which can make changes to the ole registration database from program manager or file manager choose run and type regedit you do have it its included with windows but not well documented tom paladin world std com medicine re my new diet it works great in article 1993mar30 030105 26772 omen uucp caf omen uucp chuck forsberg wa7kgx writes sometime in the future diet evangelists may get off their our diet will work if only the obese would obey it mode and do useful research to allow prediction of which types of diet might be useful to a given individual diet evangelist good term fits atkins to a t gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars thoughts on the vw corrado vr6 i was curious as to what people thought of the vw corrado vr6 thats about it outatime windows re winqvtnet with ndis on token ring windows re boot up sometimes fails in article 1993apr28 053700 12929 lugb latrobe edu au cs416530 lux latrobe edu au matthew i gillard writes subject boot up sometimes fails from cs416530 lux latrobe edu au matthew i gillard date wed 28 apr 1993 05 37 00 gmt sometimes when i boot up windows 3 1 after the windows logo comes up it han gs i am using dos 6 and doublespace and a 5 meg temp swap file on an uncompressed drive but when i press the reset button on the computer windows boots up fine why is this is it dos 6 matthew gillard blessed are they who run around computer systems engineering in circles for they shall be la trobe university known as wheels dos 5 never used the area e000 efff as well as some others if you have any cards that use this are such as a lan card you might get this problem use the x e000 efff in your emm386 exe line in config sys if you run memmaker then instruct it retain inclusions and exclusions windows re trouble with sound blaster pro drivers in article kaz 736031654 vincent1 iastate edu kaz iastate edu errington shroud writes recently windows has starting giving me the error sound blaster pro requires newer version of windows 3 1 it has worked correctly for a long time and dont know what the problem could be thanks i had this problem when i initially installed my sound blaster pro and heres what the tech support told me they told me to look for the files that are stated in the readme file from the win31 subdirectory of the soudblaster directory now look in the system ini file and if any of them say device xxxxxxx 386 than change it to device xxxxxxx thats should work was your system ini file erased for some reason that would be the only reason that i would think that windoes is giving you the error now tony annese claebaur shell portal com or claebaur cup portal com baseball re lame dumb and useless question in article 93109 184451rvesterm vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes ok there are three balls on this batter the pitcher proceeds to bean the batter is that a walk or a hit by pitch bob vesterman a hbp but it reminds of my favorite apochryphal sp don drysdale story when ordered to intentionally walk a batter who had hot dogged on him in two previous at bats drysdale reared back with the first pitch and drilled him right in the ribs his manager came storming out of the dugout and yelled what did you do that for drysdale growled back what are you complaining for i saved you three pitches incidentally if this is true id love to know the other people involved ted kury one man stands and the wall cracks and the wall suny at buffalo cracks and the wall cracks and the wall comes dept of economics crumbling down anthrax cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes i am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines v4 i dont know of any v6 legend mr3 mr6 vw golf passat 2 8l vr6 inline v6 very narrow angle 11 deg one head audi 80 100 2 6 2 8l v6 v8 dont know of any audi v8 3 6 4 2l some mbs some bmws v12 jaguar xjs bmw 750 850 mb 600 please add to the list thanks s ssave ole cdac com real life thomas t rnblom email thomas tornblom nexus comm se snail mail communicator nexus ab phone 46 18 171814 box 857 fax 46 18 696516 s 751 08 uppsala sweden baseball re torre the worst manager in article 93095 hydra gatech edu gt7469a prism gatech edu brian r landmann writes joe torre has to be the worst manager in baseball for anyone who didnt see sundays game with a right hander pitching he decides to bench lankform a left handed hitter and play jordan and gilkey both right handers later in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts lankford a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses luis alicea a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter what the hell is he thinking for your information lankford is injured i think it is his shoulder or rib cage so he could not use him as a pinch hitter earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring mark whiten he commented how fortunate the cardinals were to get whiten and that whiten would be a regular even though this meant that gilkey would be hurt but torre said he liked gilkey coming off the bench gilkey hit over 300 last year what does he have to do to start the guy would be starting on most every team in the league i do believe that whiten was a very good aquisition for the cards he does not have too much offensive capabilities but he is an awesome defensively since when have the cardnials actually thought of offense instead of defense i forgot who st louis gave up for him but it was not too much as far as gilkey is concerned he is a leftfielder and so is brian jordan who beat him out i expect to see a gilkey jordan platoon in lf furthermore in sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate the replay showed bucky dent the third base coach looking down the line and waving lankford home i agree with you on this one as soon as larkin threw that ball i knew that lankford was a dead bird but how could dent have known that larkin would make a perfect throw i strongly believe that torre is one of the best managers in baseball dont forget the overachieving cards of 91 that won all those close games and went from last place to second place although they were oveshadowed by the braves twins last to first climb he won a division title and barely lost a pennant race when he was with the braves why atlanta ever even considered firing him i will never understand with torre at the controls the cardinals are heading in the right direction one more thing one game does not make a season yes they lost to the reds but with the second best pitching staff in the national league first in the east and a pretty good offense the redbirds will win a lot more than they lose maybe this is the year that they will go all the way charles a very enthusiastic cardnials fan charles rosen thirty four to thirteen university of alabama national champs roll tide tuscaloosa al need i say more baseball bill james player rating book 1993 dave this has never happened to me before kirsch writes correction nied was the only player identified in this book as a grade a prospect who was exposed to the draft according to bill james in the stop the presses section preceding his player evaluations he valued nied at 21 and said that nieds value does not increase significantly as a result of his selection although he did catch a break getting away from the strongest rotation in baseball i thought bill james latest book completely and totally sucked i bought it but will not purchase anything of his ever again without thoroughly looking at it first what tripe the book is inconsistent and filled with selective analysis james claims to be looking forward and then makes some absolutely bizarre statements of value not only that but i got the impression he probably glanced at the book for about an hour before he put his name on it to say i was disappointed is a grand understatement gary huckabay kevin kerr the al feldstein of the mid 90s a living argument for if theres anything we love more than a huge existence of parallel sig its someone quoting 100 lines to add universes 3 or 4 new ones and consecutive posts too cars re mr2 seats for sale in article 1993apr26 193657 10019 ultb isc rit edu adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu writes in article 1993apr26 155800 29900 noao edu groves noao edu lee groves writes as the owner of an mr2 and having several friends who own them i am very uncomfortable when i see an ad like this when these seats are seen for sale they are most often stolen so it would be nice to see a statement saying where they came from ill give this seller the benefit of the doubt but people should be aware the the vast majority of mr2 seats on the market especially those that are in celicas are stolen i am the original owner of the seats and the original poster i take very serious offence in your statement me thinks thee dost protest too much 1 2 please in the future think before you make allegations like the above he made no allegations and specifically gave the seller the benefit of the doubt he simply made the net aware of the fact that many of these seats are stolen so watch out and ask questions when buying thats good advice to follow when buying anything from a third party on the net or elsewhere it hurts touchy touchy mike s alex ridgway medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1r9j33 4g8 hsdndev harvard edu rind enterprise bih harvard edu david rind writes in article 1993apr22 153000 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes poster for being treated by a liscenced physician for a disease that did not exist calling this physician a quack was reprehensible steve and i see that you and some of the others are doing it here as well do you believe that any quacks exist how about quack diagnoses is being a licensed physician enough to guarantee that someone is not a quack or is it just that even if a licensed physician is a quack other people shouldnt say so can you give an example of a commonly diagnosed ailment that you think is a quack diagnosis or have we gotten to the point in civilization where we no longer need to worry about unscrupulous healers taking advantage of people david rind i dont like the term quack being applied to a licensed physician david questionable conduct is more appropriately called unethical in my opinion ill give you some examples 1 prescribing controlled substances to patients with no demonstrated need other than a drug addition for the medication 2 prescribing thyroid preps for patients with normal thyroid function for the purpose of quick weight loss 3 using laetril to treat cancer patients when such treatment has been shown to be ineffective and dangerous cyanide release by the nci these are errors of commission that competently trained physicians should not committ but sometimes do there are also errors of omission some of which result in malpractice suits i dont think that using anti fungal agents to try to relieve discomfort in a patient who you suspect may be having a problem with candida or another fungal growth is an error of commission or omission healers have had a long history of trying to relieve human suffering some have stuck to standard approved procedures others have been willing to try any reasonable treatment if there is a chance that it will help the patient the key has to be tied to the healers oath i will do no harm but you know david that very few treatments involve no risk to the patient the job of the physician is a very difficult one when risk versus benefit has to be weighed each physician deals with this risk benefit paradox a little differently some are very conservative while others are more agressive an agressive approach may be more costly to the patient and carry more risk but as long as the motive is improving the patients health and not an attempt to rake in lots of money through some of the schemes that have been uncovered in the medicare fraud cases i dont see the need to label these healers as quacks or even unethical what do i reserve the term quack for pseudo medical professionals these people lurk on the fringes of the health care system waiting for the frustrated patient to fall into their lair some of these individuals are really doing a pretty good job of providing alternative medicine but many lack any formal training and are in the business simply to make a few fast bucks while a patient can be reasonably assured of getting competent care when a liscenced physician is consulted this alternative care area is really a buyers beware arena if you are lucky you may find someone who can help you if you are unlucky you can loose a lot of money and develop severe disease because of the inability of these pseudo medical professional to diagnose disease which is the fortay of the liscened physicians i hope that this clears things up david marty b baseball re hbp bb big cat woods ncar ucar edu greg woods writes in article 9460 blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu david m tate writes of course this is not the same as claiming as some do that galarragas inability to defer gratification isnt hurting his team because he isnt paid to walk or is an rbi guy or whatever alright thats enough ive suffered with all kinds of insults as typical for the net but give me a break galarraga is currently batting over 400 and you guys are complaining that he isnt drawing enough walks what would he have to do to please you guys bat 1 000 you can hardly claim that he is hurting his team it would help if his obp were higher than his batting average yes the april 12 usa today lists le grand chapeau as having a 422 batting average and a 413 obp thats on 19 for 45 hitting with 0 zip nil nada walks the reason a lot of us are down on galarraga is that hes has a long history of showing that this is nowhere near his real level of ability except for drawing walks if he hit 400 for say even 250 abs id be convinced that there was a real change in his ability if he did it with an obp avg id not only be amazed but id make a bet that that would be a unique feat in the history of the game but what do 45 abs prove look at some of the other fluke players at this point in the season player avg ab blauser 367 49 grace 391 48 milligan 400 35 conine 375 40 lansing 400 50 slaught 406 32 are any of these guys really that good well in a word no how significant is galarragas average at the 45 ab level a hit is worth about 020 if hed had one of those hits called an error and one taken away by a good defensive play hed be in the 380 range if he goes 0 for 4 in his next game hes all the way down to 388 in one game come back in june lets talk then if it happens that the pitchers start throwing him fewer good pitches and he starts making lots of outs as someone speculated might happen then i would agree with you that he isnt taking enough pitches my comment that he isnt paid to walk doesnt mean that he should have a license to swing at bad pitches and make outs its more along the lines of hes batting 400 and leading the league in rbis so what bloody difference does it make if he isnt drawing a lot of walks sheesh its history greg andres history is that he doesnt walk much because he swings at bad pitches so his average isnt very good 45 abs doesnt mean an awful lot compared to a history of a couple of thousand especially when theres ample evidence 0 bb in 1992 that his basic hitting approach hasnt changed yeah he might suddenly have turned into a 400 hitter who never walks but dont bet the rent money on it mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com from an historical basis middle east conflicts do not last a long time vp dan quayle on nightline 2 october 1990 medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition i wrote kw if you dont like additives then for godsake kw get off the net and learn to cook from scratch sheesh mary allison exclaims ma excuse me ma why cant people learn to cook from scratch on the net ma ive gotten lots of recipes off the net that dont use additives because one simply cant cook on the net nor can one cook while on the net cooking is best done in a kitchen on a stove gotcha grin i said this out of general frustration at people not anyone in particular who seem to expect packaged food to conform to their tastes in other words if packaged foods are not to your liking prepare foods that are ma if you like additives then get off the net and go to your local ma supermarket buy lots of packaged foods and you get off the net i dont have strong feelings about additives as long as i cant taste em as for the rest of your reply to me i am sorry it it seemed as if i was picking on you i wasnt trying to do so please accept my apologies kiran guns re the truth about waco dhartung chinet chi il us dan hartung writes massive dan blather mercifully deleted his last sentence says it all who the hell are we or the government to judge their religion as wrong this event i hope will be recorded in history as the american holocaust these people were murdered by the us government just as surely as the jews were by the nazis i hang my head in shame for what ive allowed my government to become i have never judged them by their religion but by their actions if they had lived a quiet religious life as they claimed there would have been no raid no siege and no deaths instead they chose courses of action at every turn that were at the very least stupid if not irrational the first was to stockpile weapons the second was to shoot federal agents the third was to stay inside last time i checked amassing an arsenal and practicing any kind of religion were mentioned in passing in the bill of rights guess its ok with you if we just brush em aside in order to justify killing a bunch of religious nutcakes eh of all the idiots i run into in daily life dan your type scare me the most youll accept expediency and a cowards safety over any belief just as long as the government tells you to you assume that anyone who doesnt comform to your beliefs and ways of thinking are wrong and therefore bad worse you seem to accept without question what the government says is wrong to be wrong david koreshs religion was not mine but then again neither are the baptists methodists catholics or any of the rest of the corporate religions but even though koreshs the baptists the methodists etc dont believe the same way i do i recognize that their religions are equally valid to mine and more importantly are equally protected under the 1st amendment you see im not that much different than koresh and i suspect many others fit the same catagory i read the bible many times and as i learned from it i discovered that a lot of what corporate religions practice just isnt justified by my interpretation of the bible therefore i go my own way so did koresh and neither you nor i nor anyone else either individually or collectively as the great socialist we has any right whatsoever to tell me or you or koresh that our religions are wrong you seem to think that it would have been oh so easy for the davidians to just forsake everything they believed in and walk out of their compound in order to save themselves think if youre capable for a moment about some belief you hold dearest would you abandon that belief if suddenly told to do so by the government if you would do so you are beneath contempt lets assume you have a belief that you hold dear enough to commit your life to do you think it would be the correct course of action for your government to initiate actions specifically designed to force you to make that forsake or die decision the forsake or die option is exactly what the government forced on the davidians the day the first wave of black clad stormtroopers fired that first shot and tossed that first grenade the fbi clenched it on day 51 when they sent in heavy armor against 80 some odd men women and children holed up in a rickety old building and armed with small arms the people who stayed who held to their beliefs over personal safety whose individual personal honors demanded they die rather than submit who believed that the bill of rights meant exactly what it says to those people go my deepest respect regardless of their religion people like you who blithely blow off the murder of 80 people with well they could have come out get my most scornful contempt id spit in your face were there not a network between us youre not worth the ashes of those people who burned john john de armond wd4oqc interested in high performance mobility performance engineering magazine tm interested in high tech and computers marietta ga send ur snail mail address to jgd dixie com perform dixie com for a free sample mag lee harvey oswald where are ya when we need ya windows re can i change licensed to data in windows 3 1 in 0096b130 473b17c0 vms csd mu edu 2a42dubinski vms csd mu edu writes ahh yes this is a fun topic no once the name is incribed on the disk that is it it is encoded not even a hex editor will find it you can but a disk compare utility old versus new will and windows 3 1 is also flexible enough at install time that you can copy all the files onto your hard disk which greatly speeds things up and makes them less annoying if you can spare the 7 or so compressed megs write over the licensed to but you cant change the name underneth it i think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate and were not going to promote that here no were not but were also not going to promote pandering to corporate paranoia when the real issue is convenience i dont like dealing with floppies personally i have no use for changing the registration info but i see it as a valid need and one that ought to be solved using a quick little utility rather than a half hour reinstall thats just about guaranteed to mess up your settings in one way or another so while im not going to put much time into it myself heres the procedure for getting on your way to finding the encoded information 1 copy all your windows disks into the directory from which you want to install it ive been using c winstall myself 2 from there copy that directory to something like c winorig 3 install from c winstall 4 comp the two directories to determine changes i e comp winorig report txt 5 look in the report file for the file s that change assuming they didnt cover themselves covering their own tracks at least one file should have a difference noted at a particular offset locate said offset in the original directory and see whats there using a hex editor and do the same for the modified one 6 youre on your own as far as breaking the code goes i dont really do cryptography its probably just an xor key or something i think ms is more concerned with joe schmoe at the office personalizing his copy than with real pirates who will probably just disassemble the damned thing anyway this technique should work with just about any obnoxious corporate product that tries to write to the original floppies when you install in some extreme cases you may not be able to back the floppies up to hard disk and will be stuck doing a compare on floppies lotus stuff is probably like that as i noted before if you can afford the space on the hard disk and dont do much in the way of customization reinstalling from one directory to another may be less arduous doing some of the stuff ive mentioned here may well void your license with microsoft as if theyd ever find out if you arent careful with the disk editor you could also mung something important duh i guess thats a disclaimer have at it rob rob kudla acm rpi edu keywords oldfield janes leather yes win3 1 phish light blue right bondage r e m dtp steely dan ds9 fnm owl genesis in the spaceship the silver spaceship the lion takes control cars domestic content of us japan joint ventures does anyone know what the domestic content is of any of these geo prizm eagle talon ford probe all are made in the us but i have been told they contain mostly foreign parts please follow up directly to me ill post the findings to the net if there is interest thanks tim newman newman cps msu edu guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news jim de arras jmd cube handheld com wrote in article c4u3x5 fw7 magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes i dont know how anyone can state that gun control could have no effect on homicide rates there were over 250 accidental handgun homicides in america in 1990 most with licensed weapons more american children accidentally shot other children last year 15 than all the handgun homicides in great britain source national safety council please no dictionary arguments about rates vs total numbers okay theyre offered for emphasis not comparison youre a great debater you chose your sources of information claim them to be superior ive made no such claim please direct my attention towards any posting of mine where i claimed superior sources of information its probably because i bothered to post any references at all while others seem content to post numbers pulled from the ozone that youve confused it with fact twisting if so i apologize then take those twisted numbers and twist them further by trying well then heres fair opportunity for you to prove that ive twisted numbers on what grounds do you contradict those references do you have any citations any sources of your own that i can take similar gratuitous shots at to compare absolute numbers between two countries that have major population differences the usa and gb and then whine that you are afraid someone might attack your process and so claim the numbers are for emphasis not comparison emphasis of what nitpicking and scolding is a whiney debating style jim anything else is blowing smoke you seddit brudda stephen manes manes magpie linknet com manes and associates new york ny usa o o guns re with friends like these l neil smith in article c5d05g 6xw undergrad math uwaterloo ca papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca paul prescod writes in article 1993apr10 155819 18237 sco com allanh sco com allan j heim writes look if you can figure out a reliable means of keeping guns away from bad people while not interfering with good people i think wed all be for it the problem is the methods were using now dont do the trick dont manufacture them dont sell them dont import them some guns will get through but far fewer and far less people will die because of them hunting weapons could be allowed of course as long as they are big and bulky and require reloading after a few shots how many times can you shoot at the same animal anyways one assumes they are moving first of all lets assume that you are right that fewer guns would make it in to the country that sounds great to those that see guns as inherently evil except then every one of those guns would be in the hands of someone who obviously couldnt care less about following the law after all they got the gun illegally so is more likely to commit a crime with that gun great then everyone with a gun is likely to use it in a crime nice system now as to reducing the number of guns coming into society by making it illegal to manufacture sell or import them in this coutry let me use a parallel for empiric evidence the amount of cocaine in this country is far less since its manufacture sale and importation was out lawwed if that last statement is true then perhaps we should consider your plan this could also apply to drugs in general plain old joe cars re warning please read could we plase cease this discussion i fail to see why people feel the need to expound upon this issue for days and days on end these areas are not meant for this type of discussion if you feel the need to do such things please take your thought elsewhere thanks i want only two things from this world a 58 plymouth and a small opec nation with which to fuel it this would be a good and just thing car smashers can just go home and sulk jacques brouillette manufacturing engineering cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article 1993apr24 003549 126206 ns1 cc lehigh edu amh2 ns1 cc lehigh edu alois m himsl writes in article 1993apr15 155325 6329 jpl devvax jpl nasa gov nancy hayduke nancy feagans writes ashtrays and cigarette lighters these should be an option you forget that the cigarette lighter plug is essential for plugging in radar detectors and lights the ashtrays are also essential because they are great places to keep change and tokens wouldnt you rather have some type of standard electrical plug instead of that fire hazard waiting to happen adaptor i know i would and i would also prefer to have sensibly placed cup holders instead of an ashtray my car came with coin holders already built in ron guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r2dqq 5of geraldo cc utexas edu mikey ccwf cc utexas edu strider writes irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves very popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially hey einstein ever tried to use an electric stove or microwave without electricity its been shut off for weeks now courtesy of your local fbi assault squad calm down it is not as if i tweaked the fount of the flame wars or anything guns anything to do with them personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 1r569ainn7ss charnel ecst csuchico edu nomad ecst csuchico edu michael larish writes how is clinton responsible it was a law enforcement action granted it was a nationally covered incident but clinton had no more to do with the outcome than fred flintstone do i think clinton conceived of it no do i think clinton ordered it no do i think clinton was aware of it before it went down no do i think clinton was aware of it after it went down of course who wasnt do i think clinton prejudged these people to a certain extent because he believed the batf crap about child abuse and stockpiling evil semi automatic weapons yes do i think clinton ever questioned federal jurisdiction in this matter no do i think clinton ever considered the civil rights of the victims no as for the rest i wont argue whether batf handled the initial confrontation well or as it should have but from day 2 on i have no problem with the way the operation was handled or the decisions made some of us suspect that all the unlawful mistakes made on day 1 were made on the governments end that makes days 2 51 nothing but a macho alternative to delivering an apology as for day 51 as long as the fbi and batf didnt intentionally set the fire then while it is certainly tragic the majority of americans according to a recent poll have no problems with the operation itself who gives a good goddamn about some bullshit opinion poll of most americans most americans swallow the government line that theyre fed not because theyre stupid but because its the only line they ever hear most americans thought the staff at the mcmaster school was guilty guilty guilty woops turns out they werent most americans once thought that black slaves werent human beings woops wrong again most americans thought saddam hussein was the antichrist oh dear he was a special friend of the american government until two years previously you know maybe truth isnt determined by majority vote of a half informed public after all in fact most americans according to this poll think it should have been resolved sooner youre just testy because of all those newsbreaks that were interrupting roseanne cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars re honda clutch chatter in article 185900001 hpindda cup hp com jimb hpindda cup hp com james bruder writes from jimb hpindda cup hp com james bruder date wed 21 apr 1993 22 01 32 gmt organization hp information networks cupertino ca path eclipse yktnews watson ibm com hawnews watson ibm com newsgate watson ibm com news ans net howland reston ans net usc sdd hp com hpscit sc hp com hplextra hpcss01 hpindda jimb newsgroups rec autos lines 12 anyone else experiencing a similar problem this concerns the clutch on a 92 honda accord 5 speed when the clutch is first used in the morning about the first 4 miles of shifting there is a significant amount of clutch chatter until things warm up then the clutch shifts smoothly this chatter started when i moved to the san francisco bay area from a low humidity environment the dealer stated that this is known to happen since honda changed from an asbestos to non asbestos clutch material no remedy seems that moisture on clutch surface causes slipping until the moisture evaporates any comments out there i have been having problems with a slightly different clutch problem on my 90 prelude see rec autos tech for more detail my problem is a false engagement point below the actual one it also seems affected by weather it is most noticeable and annoying on damp or cold days my dealer says he cant reproduce the problem i think ill just sell the car jeff goss baseball re best sportwriters csc2imd cabell vcu edu ian m derby writes since someone brought up sports radio howabout sportswriting i happen to be a big fan of jayson stark he is a baseball writer for the philadelphia inquirer every tuesday he writes a week in review column he writes about unusual situations that occured during the week unusual stats he has a section called kinerisms of the week which are stupid lines by mets brodcaster ralph kiner every year he has the lgtgah contest that stands for last guy to get a hit he also writes for baseball america that column is sort of a highlights of week in review if you can check his column out sometime he might make you laugh rob koffler you live day to day and rkoffler ux4 cso uiuc edu dream about tomorrow don henley cars re taurus sable rotor recall antonio l balsamo save the wails balsamo stargl enet dec com wrote from opdbs vm cc latech edu subject taurus sable rotor recall my 92 taurus gl with only 26k on the clock also has rotor warp apparently they havent fixed the problem yet but try convincing the ford service person to fix it for free right tony gads i have heard so many horror stories with taurus and sable cars i thought these were premium american automobiles the way they sell youd think so is ford really no better than in the late 70s when it was turning out tin cans like the granada and the fairmount which would you get a taurus or a camry or accord john zorro picasso ocis temple edu zorro astro ocis temple edu baseball re omar vizquel grand salami cheryl marks writes do you think omars grand slam is the result of his new fan club last week a banner appeared in the kingdome older women for omar that depends just how much older were they cheryl david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions 1993 its on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the 411 medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes in article 1qnns0 4l3 agate berkeley edu spp zabriskie berkeley edu steve pope writes the mass of anectdotal evidence combined with the lack of a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving the hypothesis makes the msg reaction hypothesis the most likely explanation for events you forgot the smiley face i cant believe this is what they turn out at berkeley tell me youre an aberration steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer hey keep your fu ng flaming out of this group that goes for you mr dyer as well as several other nasty sarcastic people regarding this subject shoot now im all riled up too and i was just going to ask if we can keep our discussion about msg a little more civil blasting a school or an idea through simple insults as demonstrated above is not necessary and otherwise out of line if you want to continue your insult war take it elsewhere and stop wasting everyone elses time most sincerely dan checkman baseball re ind source picks baerga over alomar case closed in article c5l6dn 4ub andy bgsu edu klopfens andy bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein writes fester island com mike fester writes id say you could make a good for them being about equal right now t p rated baerga higher actually finally an objective source alomars a great player but so is baerga nice to see the objective source cited rather than my dads bigger than your dad posts i know you have this fucked up idea that anybody who prefers alomar to baerga must be a jay lover and indian hater sorry you got that one wrong i hate the jays and dont care one way or the other about the indians but objectively alomar had the better offensive year last year so i have to pick him you admit t p as a reliable objective source then you will note that they rated alomar as the better offensive player chosing baerga over alomar only because of his defense thats a joke alomar might not be a gold glover but hes certainly no worse than baerga defensively valentine windows re diamond speedstar driver for v3 1 in article 116005 bu edu rem buitc bu edu robert mee writes i am looking for a win31 driver or set for my diamond speedstar 1mb video card the diamond bbs has these their 2400 baud bbs phone number is 408 730 1100 their 9600 baud bbs phone number is 408 524 9335 sorry i dont know of any ftp site that has these though id be surprised if there wasnt one cars trucking industry which are them main trucking companeies and their locations do you have the name of ac a contact person thanks email at erini enterprise ifp uiuc edu windows internal speaker driver this probably is in a faq somewhere but im looking for microsofts internal speaker sound driver for windows should be at microsofts ftp site but i cant remember the name of the site thanks cars re braindead drivers who dont look ahead hhm cbnewsd cb att com herschel h mayo writes so i block the would be passers not only for my own good but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it as a rule of philosophy i dont feel particularly sorry when somebody gets offed by his own stupidity but it does worry me when some idiot is in a position to cash in my chips too h h mayo zdem0a hgo7 hou amoco com donna martz writes well arent we just mr altruism himself just what the world needs another frustrated self appointed traffic cop hhm cbnewsd cb att com herschel h mayo writes well if you want to stick the nose of your car up the ass of a 50 foot semi i suppose its your neck however im not going to let you kill me in the bargain if you get frustrated by somebody delaying your inevitable death due to less that wise driving practices then tough well i never wrote that i would act as you described i stated that i would not block a would be passer i would not block a would be passer for their own good or for any reason other than i was prevented from doing so due to the traffic circumstance i fail to see how deterring a passer under these circumstance would in any way decrease your chances of being involved in an accident fatal or otherwise in fact i could imagine how blocking a would be passer would actually increase your chances of being offed or involved in an accident especially if this passer is riding your bumper intentionally blocking a person riding your bumper is certainly not a wise driving practice it only causes the jam to become more congested i dont mess with trucks and i actually watch the road ahead and the road behind if i perceive that i am rapidly closing on a pack of vehicles i try to avoid getting caught up in situation such as you decribe usually either traffic is just building and i have to deal with this fact of life or i wait to a slow passer to complete their pass and make way for the pack to clear if someone decides then to pull up on my bumper i signal my intention to move to the right and do so at the first opportunity hope they will open the jam i feel this is not only courteous driving but alot safer than the actions you advocate there are actually many courteous drivers on the road who do not intentionally impede others if someone in front of me seems to be oblivious to the fact that they are blocking traffic i use my blinker or flash my lights or if all else fails will briefly speed up slow down so they might get the message that i am a faster vehicle trying to pass i feel it is never safe to ride anyones bumper if someone is intentionally blocking traffic because they feel that it is civil duty or philosophic duty or for some unfathomable reason i feel they deserve at the very least derision sorry this is soooooooo long baseball yankee fears ill tell youm all one thing steve howe and farr are much better then the worst pitcher in yankee pitching who do you think i am talking about ill post the answers if you e mail to me use reply or post youre answers but e mailing them to me meaqns that i will post the final results i have one particular horrid pitcher in mind cars mgbs and the real world my sister has an mgb she has one from the last year they were produced 1978 1979 its in very good shape ive been bugging her for years about selling it ive said over and over that she should sell it before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability which one of us is right are there mgb affectionados out there who are still willing to pay 6k to 8k for an old mg are there a lot out in the market mike brookbank mks 35 king st north mike mks com director interopen sales mkt waterloo ontario 519 884 2251 mortice kern systems inc mks canada n2j 2w9 fax 519 884 8861 baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr18 032345 5178 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article 1993apr18 030412 1210 mnemosyne cs du edu gspira nyx cs du edu greg spira writes howard wong mindlink bc ca howard wong writes has jack lost a bit of his edge what is the worst start jack morris has had uh jack lost his edge about 5 years ago and has had only one above average year in the last 5 again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky you can count on good tomorrow lucky seems to be prone to bad starts and a bad finish last year yes i am enjoying every last run he gives up who was it who said morris was a better signing than viola cheers valentine hey valentine i dont see boston with any world series rings on their fingers damn morris now has three and probably the hall of fame in his future therefore i would have to say toronto easily made the best signing and dont tell me boston will win this year they wont even be in the top 4 in the division more like 6th shawn religion re whos next mormons and jews john berryhill ph d writes i dont know whos next but i hope its people who pick their noses while driving umm please dont lump us all together its those blatant fundamentalist pickers that give the rest of us a bad name some of us try very hard to be discreet and stay alert peter m yadlowsky wake the sky is light academic computing center let us to the net again university of virginia companion keyboard pmy virginia edu after basho medicine re quality control in medicine in article 93108 003258u19250 uicvm uic edu u19250 uicvm uic edu writes does anybody know of any information regarding the implementaion of total quality management quality control quality assurance in the delivery of health care service i would appreciate any information if there is enough interest i will post the responses thank you abhin singla ms bioe mba md president ac medcomp inc dr singla you might contact kaiser health plan either in the area closest to you or at the central office in oakland ca we have been doing qa qos concurrent ur and tqm for some time now in the hawaii region and i suspect it is nationwide in the system len howard md medicine vitamin a and infection ive sent gordon r my posts on protein vitamin c and vitamin a prior to posting on internet as a professional courtesy somehow ive managed to delete my vitamin a post from my text file gordon r had promised to send it back to me but hes pretty mad at me right now so ill just retype it since digging through all my references is very time consuming took me all day for that pms post im not going to cite any references gordon r has them im going to include some of the material from weinsier and morgans new nutrition textbook which was not in my original material to point out that what im going to say has some support in the medical community diet has been know to affect the immune system of man for a very very long time protein has always had the biggest role in infection and ive already covered the role of protein in protecting you against infection now im going to hit what i consider to be the most important nutrient in the u s as far as infection is concerned vitamin a when vitamin a was originally discovered it was commonly referred to as the anti infection vitamin many people linus pauling being one have decided to take this title away from vitamin a and give it to vitamin c which ive already covered big mistake in my opinion vitamin a is also getting a reputation as an anti cancer vitamin with good reason the nci currently has numerous clinical trials in progress to see if vitamin a can not only prevent cancer but cure it as well its role in both cancer and infection is almost identical but not quite vitamin a comes in two completely different forms retinol and beta carotene retinol is the animal form and its toxic beta carotene is the plant form and its completely nontoxic both retinol and beta carotene display good absorption in the human gut if bile is present 60 80 the liver stores all of your retinol and doles it out for other tissues to use by synthesizing retinol binding protein rbp a normal human adult liver should have 500 000iu to 1 000 000iu of retinol stored we are born with 10 000iu in our liver u s autopsy has shown that about 30 of americans die with the same or less amount of vitamin a as they were born with if you dont believe that nutritional reserves like that of retinol in the liver are important then this low vitamin a reserve is not going to affect you but if you believe like i do that the nutrient reserves are important then there is a problem with vitamin a in the u s the u s rda for vitamin a in an adult male is 1 000 re or 5 000iu of vitamin a for adult feamles its 800 re or 4 000iu of vitamin a diet surveys show that most americans are getting this amount of vitamin a either retinol or beta carotene from their diet but the nrc national research council was going to release a new rda table in 1985 that had the rda for both vitamin a and vitamin c raised c to 90mg per day and a to 7 500iu per day for adult males that report and its recommendations was killed why concern over the increasing supplementation was the main reason rdas are set to prevent clinical disease not to keep nutrient reserves full many scientist in the u s feel that the time has come to move away from the prevention of clinical pathology concept and move towards the promotion of optimum health concept especially since we have some very good data now that show that nutrient reserves are extremely important during periods of stress the nutritonal concervatives won that battle and a new group of scientist were collected to come out with the 1989 rda list which lowered the rda for several nutrients and moved the dietary guidelines back to where they were when we first started in the 1940s get enough to prevent clinical pathology but not enough to fill the reserves we know from autopsy that only about 10 of americans have a liver with a normal vitamin a reserve 500 000iu to 1 000 000iu i preach nutrient reserves to my students and tell them to measure them in their patients but for vitamin a only a liver biopsy or autopsy data will tell you how much somebody has stored we can tell very easily if someone has overfilled his or her liver with vitamin a by measuring the serium retinol level levels above 450ug dl are highly suggestive that you have filled your liver with vitamin a and its time to stop taking retinol the normal range of serum retinol will be 20 100ug dl hypervitaminosis a is diagnosed with a serum retinol level of 2 000ug dl or higher interpretation of diagnostic test wallach m d a little brown series book this level of vitamin a in blood means that medical attention is necessary due to vitamin a toxicity weinsier and morgan take a much more conservative approach to vitamin a toxicity than does wallach as you will see later in this post between 450ug dl and 2 000ug dl you should have plenty of warning that its time to eliminate the retinol from your diet headache redness of the skin hair loss joint pain i tell all my students that will use vitamin a in their practice that they had better monitor the serum retinol level and stop when there are clear signs that the liver is full you will never really know if the patient needs the vitamin a because you can not measure the pool in liver but you will always know when its time to stop just like in those vitamin a for pms studies beta carotene can be taken to fill up your liver with retinol and you will never have to worry about toxicity because the conversion of beta carotene to retinol that occurs in both your gut and your liver will slow down stops in the liver and slows down in the gut when your liver is full of retinol but taking beta carotene as the source of retinol takes a very long time to fill the liver up ive seen estimates of 20 30 years if you are in the 30 that only has as much as you were born with in your liver 10 000iu one other problem with beta carotene if you have a zinc deficit you will not convert as much beta carotene to retinol in the gut or the liver because the enxzyme that does this conversion requires zinc in addition the release of retinol from the liver is a zinc dependent process so a zinc deficit will cause a vitamin a deficit even if your liver has plenty of vitamin a now what does vitamin a do in cancer and infection protection the body uses vitamin a retinol for many different things vision the first to be nailed down and where you see overt clinical pathology uses the aldehyde retinal and alcohol retinol form of vitamin a reproduction uses the retinol form and some retinal infection and cancer protection uses retinoic acid how do you convert retinol which your white blood cells and the mucosal cells get from blood to retinoic acid you use enzymes one of which requires vitamin c this is why pauling has tried to pull the title of anti infection vitamin away from vitamin a vitamin c does play a role in infection interferon production for example but its biggest role is the conversion of retinol to retinoic acid if you increase your intake of vitamin c you will increase your formation of retinoic acid but retinoic acid can not be converted back to retinol as retinal can and once its formed its used and then lost to the body this is why the 1985 nrc group wanted to increase both vitamin c and vitamin a rdas most people taking large amounts of vitamin c really think that they are helping themselves if they dont have much vitamin a in their liver and they are not also increasing their intake of vitamin a they actually do themselves more harm than good retinoic acid functions in white blood cells to promote antibody formation in the mucus membrane it is the main factor in promoting good mucus production and a good epithelial cell barrier to prevent infectious agents from entering the blood system the mucus membrane is referred to as the first line defense against infection for cancer retinoic acid has been shown to act as a cell brake it counteracts the effect of cell promoters which stimulate cells to divide cancer has two distinct steps dna alteration and cell promotion for cells that normally divide all the time promoters are not that important but for lung and breast tissue which does not normally divide promoters are real important in the malignant process this is the major reason why the nci has so many different clinical trials in progress using retinol and or beta carotene chronic infection irritation of the mucus membranes is a signal that vitamin a may not be adequate i tell my students that any patient who walks into their office with a complaint of chronic infection has to be worked up for vitamin a along with the other factors that medicine already has on its list of causes for chronic infection i drive this home in my course at the osteopathic college in tulsa when i teach at the allopathic medical school in tulsa ous branch campus and when i give cme lectures dark adaptation is the best clinical test for vitamin a status since night vision is impacted when liver reverves drop to 50 000iu of retinol the serum level of retinol can also be used but it does not drop until liver reserves drop below 10 000 to 20 000iu asking a patient if they have trouble seeing at night is a good initial screen if cataracts are ruled out in one study done on u s spanish americans where serum retinol levels were measured 25 of the sample population had a serum retinol level below 20ug dl as more studies are done on serum retinol levels in population groups of the u s that have had a history of high infection rates we will probably see a much stonger correlation between infection incidence rates and low serum retinol levels what do weinsier and morgan have to say about vitamin a here are excerpts from their book vitamin a functions in vision in the forrm of retinol it is necessay for growth and differentation of epithelial tissue and is required for reproduction embryonic development and bone growth protein calorie malnutrition and zinc deficiency may impair the absorption transport and metabolism of vitamin a retinaldehyde is converted to retinoic acid which has biological activity in growth and in cell diferentiation but not in reproduction or vision the most common procedure to evaluate vitamin a status is to measure the retinol level in plasma or serum the normal range for vitamin a content for a child is 20 to 90ug dl lower values are indicators of deficiency or depleted body stores serum levels greater than 100ug dl are indicative of toxic levels of vitamin a dark adaptation tests and electroretinogram measurements are also useful but difficult to perform on young children rapidly proliferating tissues are sensitive to vitamin a deficiency and may revert to an undifferentiated state the bronchorespiratory tract skin genitourinary system gastrointestinal tract and sweat glands are adversely affected a daily intake of more than 7 5mg about 37 000iu of retinol is not advised and chronic use of amounts over 20mg 100 000iu can result in a dry and itching skin desquamation erythematous dermatitis hair loss joint pain chapped lips hyperostois bony depositis headaches anorexia edema and fatigue they recommend 30mg of retinol via im injection in children for vitamin a deficiency but do not discuss treatment for adults their toxic serum retinol level is very conservative i recommend that my students try 25 000iu in adults that are having problems with chronic infection they have to rule out a zinc deficit first by getting an rbc zinc run or if their clinical lab cant run it i tell them to do what weinsier and morgan suggest give them the zinc along with the vitamin a at 25 000iu per day toxicity should not be a problem and you will not have to worry about pulling the patient into the office on a regular basis to run a serum retinol both elaine and jon found doctors who used a much higher dose of vitamin a recall that the pms papers were using 100 000iu to 200 000iu of vitamin a i dont suggest that my students use these high doses if you wanted to fill the liver up fast as part of a clinical trial and were monitoring the serum retinol level then you would be okay but my knowledge of the vitamin a literature suggests to me that 25 000iu for patients with a demonstrated vitamin a deficit dark adapatation test or serum retinol will provide a good and steady improvement as long as zinc and vitamin c status are good without having to worry about toxicity if they want to get more agressive fine if they follow my advise to check the serum retinol but vitamin a retinol should never be given in high dose to women who could become pregnant since vitamin a shows teratogenicity towards the human fetus the dose needed to show this effect on the developing fetus is 18 000iu of retinol per day beta carotene will never have this effect on the human fetus could just taking beta carotene instead of retinol supplements help yes but the effect will take a long time to develop my advise is to use retinol to fill the liver up and then switch to beta carotene to keep it full vitamin a is probably one nutrient that is better off left to prescription by doctors but when we have the m d s in this newsgroup jumping all over me and other doctors that propose the use of vitamin a supplements for treating patients with chronic sinus and gi distress i think that the most prudent option is to keep vitamin a in the otc market but require manufactors to provide package inserts to educate the general public about the dangers of vitamin a supplementation marty b medicine quack quack was re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article rind enterprise bih harvard edu david rind writes do you believe that any quacks exist how about quack diagnoses is being a licensed physician enough to guarantee that someone is not a quack or is it just that even if a licensed physician is a quack other people shouldnt say so can you give an example of a commonly diagnosed ailment that you think is a quack diagnosis or have we gotten to the point in civilization where we no longer need to worry about unscrupulous healers taking advantage of people i would say there are also significant numbers of unscrupulous doctors of the squeaky clean traditional crew cut talk to the ama before starting any treatment kind who recommend treatments that though accepted may not be necessary for the patient at the time and all for making a quick buck i would not be surprised if the cost of medical services in the u s is significantly inflated by these quacks of a different color in fact id say these doctors are the most dangerous since they call into question the true focus of the medical profession the ama and the boards should focus on these quacks instead of devoting unbelievable energy on search and destroy missions to pull the licenses of those doctors who are trying non traditional or not fully accepted treatments for their desperate patients that traditional accepted medicine cannot help now to make a general comment on many recent posts lately ive seen the word quack bandied about recklessly when a doctor or doctor wanna be has decided to quit discussing any controversial medical subject in a civilized manner all he she has to do is say quack quack and somehow they magically expect the readership of this newsgroup to roll over on their backs and pee pee on themselves in obedience what do they teach you in medical school how to throw your authority around let me put it another way to make my point clear quack is a nebulous word lacking in any precision its sole use is to obfuscate the issues at hand the indiscriminate use of this word is a sure sign of incompetency and coming from any medical doctor or wanna be where competency is expected is real scary but what do i know ive already been diagnosed by the sci med gods in this newsgroup as being anal retentive and psychotic i look forward to more net diagnoses hey theyre free jon quacks r us noring p s may i suggest seriously that if the doctors and wanna be doctors on the net who refuse to have an open mind on alternative treatments and theories such as the yeast theory should create your own moderated group you can call it sci med traditional moderated or sci med ama approved so you can keep anal retentives like me out of it charter member infj club if youre dying to know what infj means be brave e mail me ill send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 freds gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone 510 294 8153 chips worlds best livermore ca 94550 v mail 510 417 4101 who are you read alt psychology personality thats where the action is baseball 1 dimensional teams was re royals final run total in a previous article sweda css itd umich edu sean sweda says ive been saying this for quite some time but being absent from the net for a while i figured id stick my neck out a bit the royals will set the record for fewest runs scored by an al team since the inception of the dh rule p s any ideas what this is they will fall easily short of 600 runs thats for damn sure i cant believe these media fools picking them to win the division like our tom gage of the detroit news claiming herk robinson is some kind of genius for the trades aquisitions hes made would you say the same thing about the dodgers in 65 or 66 true cone is probably as good as drysdale and they have no koufax but still these teams were winning with home run leaders who had very bad totals with lots of low scoring games etc and they didnt use relievers whereas jeff montgomery is having a super season for them that being said i still picked them 5th or so but i think a superb pitching team can win if they have enough hitting theres more of a chance of that i think than of a team with tremendous hitting but no pitching at least to me i wonder though which one do you people think would do better a team with johnson koufax in his prime seaver carlton and young in no real order as the starters with sutter fingers and lyle in the bullpen but with a puny offense assuming good defense like mazeroski maranville etc or a team with poor pitching but with an offense of cobb carew ruth gehrig mays schmidt wagner and bench again you pick the order i would postulate that the pitching one would be several games better by seasons end even the best hitters can succeed only 2 5 of the time in their best years but a great pitcher can throw lots of shutouts taking all the players in their prime they might throw 50 shutouts in a year and all the offense would have to do is get 1 run across i wonder if someone with stratomatic or something could plug such all time teams into a regular season have it played and report the results i would love to see that doug fowler dxf12 po cwru edu me age 4 now mommys and daddys other ever wonder if after casey relatives have to give lots of hugs love missed the 3rd strike in the poem support cause heaven is just a great he ran to first and made it big hug that lasts forever and ever cars re was re safety from 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info colonics and purification in article 1993apr28 023749 9259 informix com hartman informix com robert hartman writes in article 1rjn0einnnqn minerva cis yale edu wiesel elisha yale edu elisha wiesel writes recently ive come upon a body of literature which promotes colon cleansing as a vital aid to preventive medicine through nutrition no doubt the sci med folks are getting out their flamethrowers im rather certain that the information you got was not medical literature in the accepted academic scientific journals so the righteous among them will no doubt jump on that also insofar as it doesnt conform to the accepted medical presumption that it just doesnt matter what you eat and that we can think of the gi tract as a black box in which nothing ever goes wrong except for maybe cancer and ulcers the righteous will no doubt jump on that too then therell be the ones who call your doctor a raving quack even though he like linus pauling is lucid and robust well into his nineties but nevermind about that he shouldnt charge for his equipment and supplies since theyre no doubt not approved by the fda of course with fda approval an md or pharmaceutical company can charge whatever they can get for such safe and effective treatments as thalidomide but nevermind about that either unfortunately you dared to step into the sacred turf of net medical discussion without a credential and without understanding that the righteous among them will make certain that you are suitably denounced before dismissing you as a fool but maybe somebody without such a huge chip on their shoulder will send you some reasonable responses by e mail 1 2 1 2 oh yes i did have a point a few years ago an md with a thriving practice in a very wealthy part of silicon valley once recommended that i take such treatments to clear up a skin condition not through his office i might add although im sure thats not conclusive it was sure an unusual prescription the bacteria in your gut are important but colonic flushes are not the way to improve gut function each person has almost a unique mix of bacteria in his her gut diet affects this mix as does the use of antibiotics a diet change is a much better way to alter the players in your gut than is colonic flushes cross contamination has been a real problem in some of the outfits that do this treatment since the equipment is not always cleaned as well as it should be between patient treatments dental drills have me a little concerned about hiv infection and ive picked a dentist that uses both chemical and autoclave sterilization of his instruments more clostly but much safer full sterile technique is also used just like that practiced in an or mask gloves and gowns worn and disposed of between patients each visit costs me 15 dollars more than the standard and customary fee so i have to pay it out of pocket his much higher fees do not drive away patients i can not think of any good reason why someone should subject themselves to this colonic flush procedure for very little if any benefit you subject yourself to hepatitis cholera parasitic disease and even hiv just ask yourself why someone might resort to this kind of treatment could they be having gi distress could this distress be due to a pathogenic organism could i get this organism if the equipment is not cleaned properly between patients do i really want to take this risk food for thought marty b baseball re notes on jays vs indians series something else to consider alomars h r splits were 500 363 slg 444 369 obp baergas was 486 424 and 392 318 pretty clearly alomar got a huge boost from his home park not necessarily it could mean that or it could mean that he just hit a lot better at home than he did on the road see frank thomas home road splits in 91 for an example i would guess that some of alomars split is due to the skydome but most of it is probably due just to coincidence theres no way to be sure of course but the only hitters the skydome seems to regularly help a lot are right handed home run hitters and alomar is not a home run hitter id say you could make a good for them being about equal right now t p rated baerga higher actually only because of t ps bogus fielding stats which rate alomar as the worst defensive second baseman in the league on a career basis i think t ps fielding stats may mean something but on a seasonal basis it comes up with ridiculous results like this alomar may not be the god of fielding the media says he is but he sure isnt the worst in baseball offensively t p rate alomar much higher last year regarding the a vs b argument ill just say theyre both very good players with different strengths and a bright future greg windows comments on xtree for windows i am looking for comments on xtree pro for windows i am thinking of buying the product but i have not even seen it yet thank you shane holland holland ug cs dal ca holland ug cs dal ca maurack ac dal ca cars re braindead drivers who dont look ahead in 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that you are not buying 5 60k 6 75k 6 100k you get 3yr 36k free so what you are buying is 2 24k 3 39k 3 64k keep that in mind when you look at the cost vs coverage another point is that many car companies routinely fix car problems that are out of warranty why design manufacturing defects that the company owns up to keeping customer happy etc medicine re centrifuge in article c5jsm5 hrs lznj lincroftnj ncr com rjf lzsc lincroftnj ncr com 51351 efw robert feddeler mt4799 t343 writes could somebody explain to me what a centrifuge is and what it is used for i vaguely remembre it being something that spins test tubes around really fast but i cant remember why youd want to do that purely recreational they get bored sitting in that rack all the time no this is wrong the purpose is to preserve the substances in the tubes longer by creating relativistic speeds and thus time dilatation of course by slowing the subjective time of the test tubes they get less bored which is probably what you were 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appeal to different buyers i e i dont think an acura owner would be seen dead in a chevy dealership or vice versa stuff deleted are all weather xgtv4 not to mention that the integra rides alot better than no integra i have seen comes with all season tires the gtz does come with much bigger 16 wheels along with the integra and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that your acceleartion times also vary magazine to magazine road track and car driver have the gs r at 6 8 to 8 0 for road and track the c d figures are almost certainly bogus and based on a hot prototype supplied by acura the mt figures are more plausible also quarter mile times vary from 15 4 to 16 1 16 1 sounds reasonable probably faster than regular integras so the beretta can out handle the integra and it can certainly keep up with it in acceleration and the beretta probably has a higher top speed due to the horsepower advantage 160 117 hp torque for the integra vs 180 160 for the beretta you always believe those exact numbers why dont you drive a gs r and see for your self while the gs r has a low 117 torqye its high gearing over a 8000 the gsr gearing is horrible for day to day driving it needs a 6 speed box more than any other modern car essentially 5th in a regualr integra equals 4th in the gsr and the regular integras are very buzzy at speed rpm make up for the difference still wouldnt call it a torque moster though considering you save almost 3 000 dollars for the beretta and the quad4 is a reliable engine it doesnt make sense to get the integra as a the only person i knew with a gtz had it bought back by gm as a lemon it was a piecve of junk but very quick for fwd quad 4 reliable yeah whats your definition of reliable if thats reliable then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect the only gsr owner i know had the engine throw a rod with less than 5k miles a rare screw up by honda both the gtz and gsr are flawed cars the performance enthusiasts would take the gtz and the cr purchase would be the gsr craig guns re guns gone good riddance in article 1993apr18 000152 2339 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes you are loosing there is no question about it you cant spell there is no question about it of those who vote your cause is considered an abomination no matter how hard you try public opinion is set against the rkba we must be reading different public opinion polls i agree that the misguided public would like to see assault weapons banned mainly because they are being lied to by the media about the frequency of their use in violent crime 1 but if public opinion were so dead set against the rkba you can bet that idiots like metzenbaum and schumer would be seeing their foolish bills getting passed through congress a lot easier than they are and as governments go broke and can no longer protect their citizens you can bet that the american people will start to really appreciate the usefulness of firearms contrary to what you might think time is probably on our side not yours this is the end by the finish of the clinton administration your rkba will be null and void tough titty yeah right dont hold your breath my condolences on the discovery of uncomfortable resilience in your mammary glands but this has nothing to do with the issue at hand ridiculous tripe deleted the press is against you the public the voting public is against you the flow of history is against you this is it yeah the liberal press doesnt like us much but you cant really expect coherent thought from them anyway their opinions are based more on a desire to appear politically correct than on facts which are generously provided by the fbi if theyd bother to put on their birkenstocks and go to the library to read them most of my friends are anti gun and without exception none of them bases his her opinions on facts they would rather believe despite all evidence to the contrary that disarming law abiding citizens would make the world more civilized when all it really does is make us all sheep they would rather wallow in their pitiful liberal white guilt about how society has driven the criminal to rob rape and murder they support spending millions of public dollars protecting the rights of scum who have already demonstrated that they have no regard for society or its laws they ignore the fact that areas with the strictest gun control nyc dc have the worst crime and areas with little gun control vt nh id have very little crime in comparison but they have to ignore this because otherwise they would need to confront the fact that law abiding citizens who own guns are not the ones that are causing most of the trouble in society oh no we certainly cant accept that but i guess i have faith that when crime starts making significant inroads into their neighborhoods and starts directly hurting them and their families they will probably whistle a different tune they just better hope it isnt too late then surrender your arms soon enough officers will be around to collect them resistance is useless they will overwhelm you one at a time hmmm i wasnt expecting company tonight i might be able to whip up a quick cheese and cracker plate but they should probably bring their own drinks do i have time to vacuum the rug too fucking bad you have gone the way of the kkk violent solutions are passe avoid situations which encourage criminals then you will be as safe as possible such as it is im glad you ended the posting here your medication seems to have worn off lee gaucher nra my opinions gaucher sam cchem berkeley edu no one elses guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1r27vo 425 geraldo cc utexas edu mikey ccwf cc utexas edu strider writes roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes mikey ccwf cc utexas edu strider writes according to an australian documentary made in the year before the stand off began koresh and his followers all believed he was christ koresh had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound these were the perfect children resulting from the great seed of his magnified horn ex members describe him in ways not dissimilar to the way jim jones has been described i dont know how accurate the documentary was the documentary interviewed koresh and current and ex members the documentary disucussed koreshs christ status inside the cult cult brain washing techniques and unusual sex practices the leader gets any he wants and tells others when they can or cant i will let others decide if using religious authority to have sex with a minor is technically child abuse or not however koresh was never convicted of any crimes against children nor was the batf after him for child abuse their purview in this case is strictly in firearms violations all true so this information is irrelevant to the discussion well if a fire was deliberately set by members of the cult then the history and background of the cult is very relevant the history and backgournd of the jones cult was very important in understanding what happened at jonestown not taking into account the history and background of koreshs cult may also help explain why the fbi and batf so badly predicted the reponses they would get from inside the compund nearly every step of the way in this badly handled affair fbi agents have to pass rigorous psychological examinations and background checks plus those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain their decisions in great detail to congress why would the fbi want to fulfill koreshs own prophecy those in charge will undoubtedly have to explain something but whether their answers even remotely resembles the truth we may never know and who is left alive to care whether the prophecy is fulfilled it only holds meaning for the nine who survived it is likely that there will be at least two investigations jd and congress at this point correction the fbi said that two of the cult members said this so far no one else has been able to talk to them so when they talk to the news reporters directly and relate the same details will you believe them if they confirm the story i probably will definitely not until then however interesting and conflicting details are starting to come out i have reverted back to wait mode to find out whether the fire was intentional or accidental and how it started and why it spread so fast mike ruff cars re best radar detector in article 1993apr26 150614 27597 westminster ac uk jkjec westminster ac uk shazad barlas writes hi now that we have these gatso photo speed traps here i was wondering if anyone knows if radar detectors are capable of detecting photo cameras if not are there any other devices which will yup radar detectors that detect ka band will pick up photo radar as its reflected from some poor slob ahead of you that just got nailed btw many photo radar installations in the southern u s became targets for high powered rifles or had their lenses decorated with cow flop etc not that im advocating destruction of public property but you get the picture later chris behanna dod 114 1983 h d fxwg wide glide jubilees red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer now why would nec 1991 zx 11 needs a name agree with any of this anyway i was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs medicine re hismanal et al side effects in article 1993apr21 024103 29880 spdcc com dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes in article 1993apr20 212706 820 lrc edu kjiv lrc edu writes can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications has been linked to rapid excessive weight gain and or a distorted sense of taste or smell hismanal azmacort a topical steroid to prevent asthma vancenase hismanal astemizole is most definitely linked to weight gain it really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly doesnt cross the blood brain barrier and so tends not to cause drowsiness it also gave me lots of problems with joint and muscle pain seemed to trigger arthritis like problems sue steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer religion re food for thought on tyre king ctron com john e king writes not exactly the prophesy clearly implies that people would still be living in the area but by the same token it would never be rebuilt obviously if people are still there they would live in houses correct their nets implies a fishing village this is exactly what it has become a far cry from its original position of stature looking at 1 we find that during roman times tyre vied with sidon for first place in the intellectual life of the period that tyre was the seat of a christian bishop eventually with 14 dioceses under it that the most magnificent church of its kind in all phoenecia was the basilica built in tyre ca 314 that tyre was well known for its exports of glassware wine white marble and dyed cloth that tyre along with other seaports provided outlets for south arabian indian and even chinese trade that tyre had to accomodate its growing population by following a perpendicular rather than horizontal line of growth because it was running out of land to build on that tyre established colonies of its own none of this sounds like a small fishing village by any stretch of the imagination centuries later under the abbasids tyre had opulent and flourishing bazaars and buildings of 5 6 stories during this period tyre was noted for its export of sugar beads and as of old glassware during the crusades tyre was the second most flourishing city held by franks there is a lot more but i got tired of writing in 2 we read the following description of modern lebanon other major cities in lebanon include tripoli sidon tyre baalbek and zahlah my emphasis this source also discusses the impact of the lebanese civil war and the israeli military actions 1978 1982 on the trading ports of tyre and sidon it notes that after israels withdrawel in 1984 tyre appeared to enjoy a revival of its local economy if tyre is such an insignificant little fishing village at present why is it always called a city or above a major city why does it show up on all the maps when population figures for cities in lebanon are given why is tyre always one of the cities on the list even if the list is only a dozen cities long 1 philip k hitti lebanon in history from the earliest times to the present ny st martins 1967 2 federal research division library of congress lebanon a country study edited by thomas collelo 1989 in the early 1980s tyre had over 22 000 people so far ive seen stated figurers ranging from 15 000 to 22 000 lets assume the latter one is correct by modern standards we are talking about a one horse town a one horse town sounds like a lot of work for one horse anyway tyre is connected by roads to the mainland they may even use cars these days the 1991 encyclopedia britannica says pop 1982 est 23 000 most other references give figures in the 14 17 thousand range one atlas gives the population of tyre as 60 000 the same source give comparatively high figures for sidon and beirut also so i doubt that it is a typo perhaps these were figures for the cities and their surrounding areas i dont doubt that the population of tyre has fluctuated over the last few decades in particular the 1982 israeli military action hurt tyre quite a bit after alex the g it fell once more in the 1200s i believe what other times did it fall that you were thinking of to egypt 250 bce to the seleucids 198 bce rome 63 bce after rome it fell to various arab contingents until 1124 ce when it was captured in the crusades it was then recaptured again by the muslims in 1291 ce and subsequently pillaged then the french turks british and today lebanon i thought you were talking about times that tyre was destroyed dont most if not all of these apply not just to tyre but to the other cities in the area sidon for example can you make a case for tyre having been singled out well it recovered enough to have a thriving commerce in the dye tyrian purple in roman times this is correct but they were under roman domination and the majority of the created wealth was siphoned off the prophesy hold true they had a good deal of autonomy under the seleucids from 2 tyre receiv ed the rights of autonomy from antiochus ephiphanes and from 125 bc onward enjoy ed complete autonomy she started a large series of coins occasionally in gold the descriptions of tyre under the romans dont seem to fit your characterization either and under the abbasids it seems to have been allowed to flourish i still think you are stretching when you try to describe tyre as having been nothing but a small fishing village who is josh mcdowell a christian apologist whose standards of scholarship are quite low he happens to quote the same source you quote nina jidejian tyre through the ages beirut dar el mashreq publishers 1969 the same sentence in fact he defends the fulfillment of the prophecy using the same argument you are using an argument that i havent seen in print anywhere else which is why i jumped to the conclusion that you were quoting josh i tried to find the jidejian book but it isnt listed in books in print can you tell me more about it her descriptions are so much at odds with everything else ive read im curious to know why dj religion re a kind and loving god in article f2jjowk quack kfu com pharvey quack kfu com paul harvey writes so do you adhere to the ten commandments jesus did and so do i peace be with you malcolm lee cars re too fast in article 1qkon8 3re armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes stuff about autobahn and safety of sho at speed deleted the mustang is essentially the same deal as the sho a big power the mustang is a much worse case of design irresponsibility than the sho plant stuck in a mid size sedan with almost no other modifications i have real life experience with the mustang it handles like a brick except when youre invoking oversteer of course something i its hard to predicatbaly drift a stock mustang because of the suspension personally avoid doing on the highway and stopping power is inadequate even from 80mph lots of accelleration but the rest of the car is not up to par yes when i think mustang i think school bus f16 motor in my mind the mustang should be fitted with a speed limiter at 80 90 or so it just isnt safe check out your local junkyard mustangs outnumber other cars by a proportion way in excess of sales in junkyards i find it astonishing the cu or somesuchlike has not jumped on the mustang for poor brakes in relation to power ford should at least standardize on the svo rear brakes for all 5 0s i picked the porsche example because they are designed with speed in mind it didnt have to be the 911 it could have been the much cheaper 944 or one of several mercedes or audi models all of these cars are fairly expensive but so are the parts that make them drivable at high speed this should be elementary there are a few things to keep in mind about europe since you brought it up my autobahn knowledge is admittedly second hand but i believe the following to be true 1 drivers are much better disciplined in europe than they are here true of northern europe latin countries are something else 2 the roads comprising the autobahn are much better designed than kindof true remember they were build by adolf in the 30s they are here and usually include animal fences this makes them far more predictable than most us highways yes 3 not all of europe is the autobahn most places in europe have autobahn is the german word for freeway other countries have different names for loose equivalents autostrada autoroute motorway etc speed limits that arent out of line with what we used to have in the us if my friends werent lying to me theyre typically not much higher than 120km h europe did seem on the brink of a 130kmh limit it hasnt passed as far as i know typical speeds in western europe are much higher than the us law enforcement is negligible in my experience comapred to the us as there is no revenue enhancement motivation the things you really notice are the higher speed differentials and the more professional attitude to driving you just never see two cars running parallel at 55 1 mph oblivious to all around them i strongly suspect you wont find a lot of rabbit owners doing 120mph nearly 200km h on the autobahn but i could be wrong some people youre wrong gtis go this fast just kind of noisy not the ideal autobahn car a lot of times you see cars being driven with the drivers foot on the floor how do i know when youre not making any ground on the identical car in front of you have no respect for their own lives if something happens at 130 150 youre dead but the same goes for much over 35 driving at high speed forces you to concentrate i feel much safer driving 130 on the autobahn than 60 80 in typical us traffic because most people seem to be awake ive never seen any driver reading a book on an autobahn i see it all too often in the us craig it just doesnt seem fast after 30 minutes or so of aclimation everybody drives that fast no big deal craig you certainly havent convinced me of course not speeding is bad speeding is illegal i will not speed i love big brother you had your mind made up already if you think so you sure dont pay attention to my postings jim frost jimf centerline com windows re vbrun100 dll can someone point me in the direction of this file thanks should come with visual basic new version is vbrun200 dll thx dave l baseball re new uniforms in article c51vwc lru usenet ucs indiana edu bodom silver ucs indiana edu br ian odom writes as far as i know toronto pittsburgh and new york nl change their uniforms every year every other year e g new york it will say mets in cursive new york in cursive or new york in all caps minor changes but they do change them often last year i think they had new york in all caps did toronto have blue jays or toronto last year what about pittsburgh it depends on which uniforms you are talking about for the last couple of years i believe toronto and pittsburgh has used the same uniforms or at least very similar the home jerseys had the team nick name blue jays or pirates but the road jerseys had the name of the city toronto or pittsburgh i believe this is the way most teams design their uniforms chris guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 1993apr26 174819 13707 starbase trincoll edu writes people like you cheapen our constitution by using it to defend sociopaths who arent deserved of it get a life and chill on the paranoia i dont care about cults theres no language problem here my problem is with religious fanatics claiming to be god is just a little bit unsettling stockpiling several years supply of canned foods no crime here and enough weapons to hold off a company no crime here not to mention the atf which ed up in the first place and talking about how theyre going to take care of all of the unbelievers no crime here also no substantiation of your claim that koresh said this i for one have never heard this mentioned before where did you hear it but granted up to that moment hed done nothing wrong i recognize and respect that up to which moment the one where you decided that anyone who claims to be god no longer has the protection of the constitution what happened to the separation of church and state then the atf discovers he doesnt have proper permits for some of his purchases and failed to pay some taxes on them i have yet to see any evidence of this either from what i hear the original warrant the reason for the feb raid is still sealed what are unsealed seem to be warrants taken out after the initial raid then several parents come forward and demand that previous charges of child abuse be refiled there have been interviews with some parents whose children were in the compound at some point funny i havent seen any of these interviews interesting that when the social services agencies investigated koresh on these previous charges they found absolutely no evidence of abuse these parents claimed psychological and sexual abuse the childrens statements supported these charges funny i dont remember hearing anything about childrens statements either where did you say you heard all this what i heard was that none of the children who left the compound early in the seige exhibited any signs typical of abuse physical or mental this from the newspaper and national tv news did you also hear that its the job of the batf and the fbi to lay siege to homes where child abuse is suspected i thought you did was it a no knock i really havent heard anything on that but clearly he was not just another guy minding his own business clearly please tell us what koresh was doing that can be construed as other than minding his own business before the batf raided the place hell give them all the guns in the world if they dont bother anyone but he was a scary sort dont you think the sort of person youd want your daughter to date i didnt think so reason number one to doubt the legal statements made by some of the survivors your logic just amazes me i think your grandparents who died in auschwitz would be turning over in their graves if they could hear how cavalierly you throw away peoples protection of law because you think theyre scary and not the sort of person youd want your daughter to date what sort of people do you suppose the nazis thought your grandparents were probably not the sort theyd want their little frauleins dating note that some of them were made by his guard well hesitate to say expertly trained killers and next i suppose youll tell us exactly who these well trained killers have killed then he fired on the atf thats not just a little mistake or some red white and blue american defending his home against big brother that shit doesnt fly because you said so right right anyone with his background that will shoot and kill federal law enforcement officials is not some good citizen whose crusade enjoys our support so someone with a different background say someone who didnt claim to be the messiah in your book could shoot and kill federal law enforcement officials would be a good citizen whose crusade enjoys our support hes a loose cannon just my opinion worth the paper its printed on youre amazing simply amazing joe windows dataproducts lzr1260 not printing correctly cut here part 01 01 begin 644 1260wn31 exe m35ko 1d p 0v p 7 i9vat y dm m 3dy 02u 4d4 26yc b p 4feg 1s e v5r f5d t m z f h0 c n pp r rt bt j t lm00 c 02 mp b9 y w s bqy y am zc p2 y f h8 0ogl mo i 6 gl bq9 ok 7 xk bojq kb 73zd kph b n z0 v p2 mv 1cmj s8on 1z1 z6 vw04 lr p cmjy s xou z5 z b v m4 o1zxo t o1z k0ro cl s eps v lstc bhpp na j70 zb m3 fb x 0 h t 7 o0 2 c d z h a ex b i 0r c hb m z r do s77aa m x jw bnf1l032 0 d pq 3 5v m x 3 4f w 8 x 1 3d 14u 2um5t 0 v 34s s tlk m qm wl1r g u 7 w p 3 okv oy ws 0 p 7 r o my ws z 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3 fq p 4n17p b1e arnz nz p m b 2 tc l nt 4z f l v b xtmw r 5i f mr2 boxw mvt tv3 ahp dv lu1s2e0q ssv m y whe c mi z rsh7 f uz mi r4 m g s r ymyg 0 d6w s3 quyd x t b i m 6 f72 5rz m8 v62 zvv1 7u q9 q5vc a o sp b g5ar n huv m 2ey 0vow8 93 78 y y 0b 3 p hik oi2lzv q mg 9 h2 jakg 9 wh i cq 7pe 7wva tc xiz15is a 0 aqex m xcp 7m 7u wo qviv fd 16r f hv d y czs s m0t n kw x ak a 4p 7 i z fs 1k x 1ir2m q w lg q ml5 gj 5f z75pnq w kl eq0jvuy oh3a4b m41 cx2cm fqgd q cut here clive mitchell ph 61 9 4916384 regional network systems mitchell telecomwa oz au perth western australia v cars re chryslers compact lh sedans rmt6r faraday clas virginia edu roy matthew thigpen writes aas7 po cwru edu writes in a previous article v064mcqs ubvmsd cc buffalo edu adam m gandler says i heard chrysler is planning to design or is in the process of designing a compact sedan line based on the lh platform if these were as thought out as the full sized sedans and priced competitively i see no reason why they could not give the imports and even the saturns a serious challenge oh goody we now get to see saturns sold through cryco dealers fab why is it this a hole insist on remarks like this i really am growing tired of this s drew do you have a kill file for your newsreader i put the name spencer in my kill file and that gives me about 10 15 less articles per day that i have to sift through cars re its a rush was re too fast in a previous article gwm spl1 spl loral com gary w mahan says dont get me wrong i love to drive in the left lane fast but when i overtake cars who are on the right i slow down a tad bit if i were to rely on the j udgement of the other car to recognize the speed differential i would be the stupid one just to satiate my curiosity why would this make you the stupid one it seems to me everybody should be aware enough of what is going on you do not need i couldnt agree more that is how it should work people should also always see motorcycles too i constantly scan behind me i have one of those wink mirrors and two outside mirrors i actually spend just as much time checking my six cops you know i still get caught off guard every now and then maybe i didnt word it right the first time what i was trying to say was that if you plan to blow by somebody at a very high speed differential and you assume you are safe because the guy sees you you are stupid of course it depends on the circumstances i have had some very scary instances when i assumed this and i dont think all of the fault was the other guy now if he was going 25 in a 55 thats a whole different story ok i can agree to this because as we have both proved what is ideally supposed to happen isnt always and even though im rearely the one doing the passing i dont see where it makes you stupid but i agree that if you think you are safe because the other guy is supposed to have been paying attention then yes you are just as dumb as the other maybe dumber hasta drew cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr15 222254 6651 rtfm mlb fl us gwalker rtfm mlb fl us grays on walker writes why crawl under the car at all i have a machine i got for my boat that pulls the oil out under suction through the dip stick tube it does an excellent job and by moving the suction tube around you can get more old oil out than by using the drain plug i think i paid 25 at e b marine the oil goes into a steel 3 gal can wait until it cools and decant into your favorite device i use soft drink bottles easy to take them down to the local oil recycle center yeah i suppose you could do that but then you dont get the broken knuckles the rust in your eyes the oil bath and the burns from the exhaust i mean come on steve medicine re lactose intolerance in article ng4 733990422 husc harvard edu ng4 husc11 harvard edu ho leung ng wrote when i was a kid in primary school i used to drink tons of milk without any problems however nowadays i can hardly drink any at all without experiencing some discomfort what could be responsible for the change ho leung ng ng4 husc harvard edu you became older and your intestine normalized to the weaned state that is lactose tolerance is an unusual state for adults of most mammals except for h sapiens of northern european origin as a h sapiens of asian descent assumption based on name the loss of lactase is normal for you steve holland gila005 uabdpo dpo uab edu guns re non lethal alternatives to handguns in article 1993apr15 150736 15793 mksol dseg ti com pyron skndiv dseg ti com writes ask the brits enough people have been killed by rubber bullets that they now use them under only certain controlled circumstances and they are fired from something that looks like a tear gas launcher there are smaller rubber bullets and pellets for shotguns i understand that they are only intended to be discouragers ie for the snapping but not truly dangerous animal in general they do not seem capable of really stopping someone who wants you or past you they are fired at very low muzzle velocity the 38 ball round is intended for a 400fps load finally as your mother warned you you can put an eye out with that thing oh ok just wondering i am not a real expert on weapons i was just wondering if they would do the job doug holland baseball re jim lefebvre is an idiot i totally agree with each point you made jose viscaino looked like a single a hitter up there who swings on 3 1 count with maddux pitching and your teams down by a run and you havent touched the ball all day i also think too much is made of that lefty righty thing watching the cubs games i get the feeling steve stone knows a lot more about what the cubs should be doing than lefebre does harry said it best when he stated after another terrible vizcaino at bat we cant wait til sandberg returns cars re nissan nomenclature was re manual shift bigots wanted thanx craig in addition to craigs coments and to clear up any further confusion the 200sx of usa was reffered to as a silvia turbo in the uk performance figures of uk 200sx are 0 60 6 4s vmax 142mph shaz oh one more q you know that new prelude vtec well is there an auto version in the usa ive heard of them in japan but not uk also do you guys get auto miatas cars re its a rush was re too fast in article 5276 unisql uucp wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes in article c5r43y f0d mentor cc purdue edu marshatt feserve cc purdue edu zauberer writes i guess i wasnt clear enough here i said the roads were designed for speeds of 80 or so and still be safe the current 55 65 will add a saftey margin they were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 i forget the exact spec but for military vehicles thats 80 in a 1958 dodge powerwagon not 80 in a 1993 ford taurus ah yes the 58 powerwagon now there was a vehicle that todays cars cant touch in terms of high speed road holding ability medicine re selective placebo ron roth rose com ron roth writes jb romdas uclink berkeley edu ella i baff writes jb jb ron roth recommends once you have your hypoglycemia confirmed through the jb proper channels you might consider the following jb diet omitted jb jb 1 ron what do you consider to be proper channels this sounds suspiciously im glad it caught your eye thats the purpose of this forum to educate those eager to learn about the facts of life that phrase is used to bridle the frenzy of all the would be respondents who otherwise would feel being left out as the proper authorities to be consulted on that topic in short it means absolutely nothing an apt description of the content of just about all ronroths posts to date at least theres entertainment value though it is diminishing guns re the truth about waco dhartung chinet chi il us dan hartung writes jgd dixie com john de armond writes the tanks were collapsing interior walls and ceilings putting people at great risk dear dear they could have come out then by your logic the jews in europe in the 1930s were the cause for the holocaust hitler told them to leave and because they didnt they brought the whole thing on themselves because as you say they could have come out of germany there was no group instruction of any kind from koresh or his aids after the tank invasion referring to any kind of suicide pact or counter assault efforts its ultimately irrelevant who lit the fire they had ample opportunity to leave same for the jews in europe 1930s while he was there anyway outsiders rarely see abuse its a secretive thing all we have to go on are the court documents in the jewell case and the mistrial in california you dont see any evidence of the abuse therefore it must be taking place as you point out everwhere but here it is irrelevant to this case the atf is not in charge of investigating child abuse no one was ever held against their wills and could have left at any time the people who were murdered in the fire were there by their own choices exactly by their own choice in obvious contradiction to the statements made by the f b i i have never judged them by their religion but by their actions and just what are those actions that you are judging them by their refusal to let the government control their lives their refusal to submit to unconstitutional laws their refusal to behave like cowards some of texas heros could have taken the cowardly way out too and surrendered the alamo after all all they had to do was come out they stayed as you say by their own choice problem is not everyone chooses to act like a groveling dog in the face of insurmountable odds but as you point out they certainly do have that right if they had lived a quiet religious life as they claimed there would have been no raid no siege and no deaths instead they chose courses of action at every turn that were at the very least stupid if not irrational the first was to stockpile weapons the second was to shoot federal agents the third was to stay inside bull they did in fact live a quiet religious life as they claimed the warrant was not issued because they stockpiled weapons it is not against the law to own as many guns as you want yet except in virginia the warrant was issued for some gun parts that are about the size of a half dollar certainly worth the lives of so many people dont you think just as we dont blame a cop who shoots a kid who had pointed a toy weapon at him i dont think the fbi deserves blame in this case you can forget that we business i certainly do blame them he who would trade his liberty for karl klingman security deserves neither american research group inc karl dixie com windows i need help recording of key mousestrokes in windows sorry about confusing subject summary keywords i am a postgrad researcher in esl applied linguistics at edith cowan university in perth western australia i desperately need help i need to record the results of word processing sessions in windows so that i can sit down and replay the results of my research subjects wordprocessing behaviours naturally i can do this with the windows macrorecorder and 2 or 3 other apps in windows but i cannot pause resume i e all i can do is to ctrl break to get out this is useless for a researcher who needs to be able to pause the wordprocessing session he is replaying to make notes annotations and then resume from where he left off i am just about to commence my research for my masters thesis and would be extremely grateful for any assistance if anyone can help could they mail me at johnoliver odin dialix oz au many thanks in advance john oliver cars re wife wants convertible and heres my two cents the best convertible for the money imo is the miata yes its small but youre buying it as a second car i hope so you dont need the cargo room of a big car its got enough power for fun its rwd like a sports car ought to be im gonna regret that and the top while manual operates like a dream 30 seconds and one hand to lower and not much longer to raise the targa type cars are nice but theyre not real convertibles ken warren the secrets of a good life are early nights good food excercise and clean living e mail kenw netaxs com but the secrets of a happy life are late nights wild parties kinky sex and junk food cars re ford probe opinions centered around the gt in article 1993apr20 124228 5357 ncsu edu chuck eos ncsu edu chuck kesler writes rear hatch has no padding on corners when up im waiting for the day when i bash my head on the corner horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center personal preference the latter is probably because of the air bag its pretty much takes up all the space where youd expect to find the horn all toyotas have airbags with a real horn come on how hard can it be to put a little pressure plate there i hope toyota doesnt follow everyone else and make the horns little buttons that i wouldnt want to fumble for john john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasnt it the black adder windows how to fix word subscript spacing hi i have a problem when using subscripts with msword the problem is the subscripted characters get cut off on the display but print out ok anyone know how to fix the subscripts so i can see them on the screen many thanks howard howard moy 608 255 6379 religion re merlin mithras and magick in article ss 113 apmaths uwo ca ss apmaths uwo ca sultan sial says in article 93111 195217a54si cunyvm bitnet a54si cunyvm bitnet writes stuff about mithras deleted oh his b day was 25 dec ahem i thought that saturnalia was celebrated by the romans at that time was mithras connected with this i also heard the romans had a large solar festival on this day because this day about 3 days after the winter solstice was when you could notice a change in the shadows and be sure that the sun was indeed returning in fact i remember the latin phrase natalis solis invicti sp associated here i cant say for certain when saturnalia was since i cant locate my master holiday list i think it was 2 weeks or so however charles hope a54si cunyvm a54si cunyvm cuny edu government by reporters media ocracy medicine re centi and milli pedes msnyder nmt edu rebecca snyder writes does anyone know how posionous centipedes and millipedes are if someone was bitten how soon would medical treatment be needed and what would be liable to happen to the person just for clarification i have not been bitten by one of these but my house seems to be infested and i want to know just in case rebecca millipedes i understand are vegetarian and therefore almost certainly will not bite and are not poisonous centipedes are carnivorous and although i dont have any absolute knowledge on this i would tend to think that youre in no danger from anything but a concerted assault by several million of them g guns re batf fbi do right thing in waco in article 1993apr21 223541 2353 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes if the batf and fbi have become latter day gestapo then they have become that way because we have desired them to be so we get to vote on laws and on the lawmakers i keep hearing people say this it assumes that we at some point had a choice at the ballot box vote yes or no i want the fbi and batf to become latter day gestapos that just isnt so the process is far more complex we do not have direct control over the bureaucracy when we evaluate our representatives we dont often know what their contribution is to the wayward direction of the federal law enforcement bureacracy to assert that we got what we wanted is absurd waco was an encapsulation of the all american experience religious fanaticism militaristic thinking and overwhelming violence dont blame it on them the fbi and batf they were just acting within the parameters we have set over the years we made them we are them oh good i feel much better now by the way do you have a plan for getting us out of this mess we are in baseball re bases loaded walk gives reds win in 12 in article mssc5y41d 230 netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes in article 1993apr23 120044 15627 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes sigh here we go again you started it for predicting the future it has been entirely meaningless at least if it has meaning we dont know how to find it i did not say i could predict the future you most certainly did non clutch clutch ab h ba ab h ba sabo 1539 452 294 259 59 228 samuel 1564 383 245 278 83 299 sabo is clearly a better hitter than samuel yet you would pinch hit samuel because you predict that samuel will be a clutch hitter and sabo will be a choke hitter right id call that predicting the future if you were to have been the reds manager at that time i assume you would have had some basis for letting sabo hit rather than pinch hitting samuel im sure some of that basis would have utilized prior performance you just wouldnt have used this particular aspect of prior performance is this not correct right i would have used aspects of prior performance which have been shown to be consistent in the past overall performance l r splits even matching hitting pitching styles all of these will give me some advantage if used properly even if all else were equal there would be no advantage gained by looking at past clutch performance and in this case everything else pointed to sabo one more time i did not claim to be able to predict the future i said that i accept the above data as an indication that samuel would have had a better chance for success in that situation than sabo that comes down to the same thing when perez left sabo in he was predicting the future the next ab he was predicting that sabo was more likely to get a hit than samuel by supporting the swap you are predicting the opposite and i am not dismissing your work im stating my opinion you are saying that your work renders any opinion to the contrary invalid so that the retention of that opinion is some kind of insult to your work well yes you are aware of its existance you claim to be incapable of understanding it though i suspect you are simply unwilling yet you rather forcefully state the opposite you dont seem to think the work is worth reading yet you obviously feel the topic is important id say this is insulting i did not say that it is a consistent skill i have said that it is an indicator of performance under a certain set of circumstances right this is the beef it has not proven to be an indicator of future performance under any circumstances at least none that weve been able to come up with if you know of some where it is an indicator of future performance please let us in on your secret it is nice however to see that you will consider the possibility that you actually could have some preconceived biases most certainly as i have repeatedly stated if you can come up with a study which even hints at a consistent clutch ability i would love it however the straightforward attempts at such a study have all failed miserably yeah hindsight is always 20 20 doesnt that make you bright this is a stupid argument and you know it ah i knew we could get to the name calling and theres that word you like so much well it was a stupid argument are you honestly debating that sure we know sabo didnt get a hit we have no idea whether samuel would have done any better or not one ab most certainly doesnt prove anything i believe that by seasons end that chris sabos batting average in clutch situations will be significantly lower than his batting average in non clutch situations i cant prove that it will happen so i guess well just have to wait and see is this simply a prediction for chris sabo for this year or is this a prediction for all batters who have over the past few years hit xxx amount worse in the clutch than overall if you mean the first then as you say well just have to wait and see but the second is a much stronger statement in fact it suggests a rule we can then test this rule on past data to see if it worked for recent years i think you will agree that if the rule didnt work last year or the year before that it is unlikely to do any better this year right heres another one for you in 1989 1991 joe carters batting average in clutch situations was significantly below his batting average in non clutch situations each year i presume you think this is random im not going to get into case analysis sure you can find somebody who hit poorly from 89 91 and then hit poorly in 92 as well you can also find those who hit poorly from 89 91 and then hit well in 92 no this doesnt prove any overall statistical trend that can be used to predict future performance across the breadth of major league ballplayers it just makes me think that in 1993 joe carters batting average in the clutch is not going to be as high as his ba in non clutch situations gamblers fallacy unless there is reason to expect consistency a run proves nothing can you give us a reason to expect clutch ba to correlate from one year to the next ive seen a detailed study of why i shouldnt expect it to correlate stupid total idiot my my such hostility the stupid was in reference to a statement which was stupid and i dont see how you can deny it as for total idiot yes if you prove yourself unwilling to even consider evidence that might suggest that you are wrong i would say the term fits nicely so tell me does the term fit or do you have an open mind valentine medicine re please help a patient in article aaghzshe 3 integral stavropol su mymail integral stavropol su writes mail newsserv kiae su subject please help dear ladies and gentlemen we should be grateful for any information about address and or e mail address of loma linda hospital approximate position usa california near vaimor town 60 miles from los angelos a patient needs consultation in this clinics before operation with respect igor v sidelnikov quit this is also being replied to via e mail i dialed my university librarian and he looked it up loma linda university medical center loma linda ca 92350 i dont know an internet address for them but they can be reached by telephone at 714 824 4300 good luck daniel r field aka infospunj never believe any experiment until dfield oboe calpoly edu it has been confirmed by theory biochemistry biotechnology arthur eddington california polytechnic state u tongue in cheek or foot in mouth medicine re do we need a radiologist to read an ultrasound in article 9551 blue cis pitt edu kenneth gilbert kxgst1 pitt edu writes this is one of those sticky areas of medicine where battles frequently rage with respect to your ob i suspect that she has been certified in ultrasound diagnostics and is thus allowed to use it and bill for its use many cardiologists also use ultrasound echocardiography and are in fact considered by many to be the experts i am not sure where obs stand in this regard but i suspect that they are at least as good as the radioligists flame retardant suit ready if it were my wife i would insist that a radiologist be involved in the process radiologist are intensively trained in the process of interpreting diagnostic imaging data and are aware of many things that other physicians arent aware of would you want a radiologist to deliver your baby if you wouldnt then why would you want a ob gyn to read your ultrasound study in my opinion the process should involve a ob gyn and a radiologist e j ed draper repar d radiologic pathologic institute the university of texas m d anderson cancer center draper odin mda uth tmc edu cars re super mega automobile sighting s exotics together in article c63xp2 kjb constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article 1r7f9qinnk24 phantom gatech edu grahamt phantom gatech edu graham e thomas writes jmm4h virginia edu the blade runner writes sighting of such a fine beast but remember the mustang will forever be the true king of the road especially the 68 shelby american gt 500kr king of the road so named to steal gms planned camaro king of the roads thunder and maybe the mustang will be forever king of the road the gt 40 isnt road legal i think the gt 40 actually is street legal although that particular question is moot see the price figures below some gt 40s are street legal some arent this car was right hand drive werent they all like that how much does a gt 40 go for how many were made i found my shelby american guide there were a grand total 126 gt 40s built gt 40 coupes 55 gt 40 road cars 31 gt 40 mk ii 13 gt 40 mk iiis 7 gt 40 roadsters 5 mirages 3 gt 40 mk ivs 12 total 126 additional uncompleted mk iiis 6 12 twelve of these cars were prototypes 48 racing coupes 31 road coupes eight mk ii coupes 4 lhd mk iiis and 3 rhd mk iiis the other breakdowns follow the above list eg 12 were mk ivs the lhd rhd breakdown is only given on the mk iiis the prices for those which can be bought are around the 1 million mark last i heard with a projection of some 3 5 million or thereabouts in 2000 it was second only to some penny ante ferarri shelby won the fia world manufacturers cup with his cobras in 65 that was also the year that he retired them from the shelby american racing team in favor of the ford gt program the next year that victory broke a 13 year ferarri winning streak well theres lotsa info i could spout but ill refrain much of this information comes from hot rod magazines shelby american cobra mustang guide which has more info on the shelby american fords than you could ever want to know james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven religion re davidians and compassion in article f2dutxh quack kfu com pharvey quack kfu com paul harvey writes in article 1993apr20 144825 756 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee writes if one does not follow the teachings of christ he is not christian too easy that would exclude most self proclaimed christians do you follow the ten commandments as a matter of fact yes i do or at least i strive to i will not be so proud as to boast that my faith is 100 i am still human and imperfect and therefore liable to sin thankfully there is opportunity for repentence and forgiveness god be with you malcolm lee guns randy weaver trial day 2 this was posted to the firearms politics mailing list hi folks wednesday marked day 2 the beginning of the trial opening statements were given by both the prosecution and the defense each side presenting its version of what happenned last august the prosecution argued that weaver and his family moved to idaho in 1983 anticipating a battle with the evil federal government the prosecution alleges that weaver sold federal agents sawed off shotguns and later failed to appear for trial despite repeated good faith efforts to get weaver to surrender peacefully weaver refused the shootout erupted when weaver discovered agents on a surveillance mission and began firing according to the prosecution three people were taking an offensive action against an fbi helicopter when an fbi sniper killed vicki weaver the defense argued that weaver and his family moved to northern idaho in 1983 to practice their religion in peace they wanted simply to be left alone weaver was induced by federal agents to sell the short barrelled shotgun and did not as the prosecution alleged want to become a regular supplier the defense also argued that the federal government sought to arrest weaver when he wouldnt become an informant it is not specified explicitly but i assume that this is a reference to the white separatist angle of the story well know more as things develop the failure to appear in court happenned because weaver was given an incorrect court date and then indicted before that date the shootout occurred when federal agent arthur roderick killed weavers dog that was in proximity to weavers son samuel weaver then fired in self defense in the ensuing battle federal agent william degan was killed when his gun was later found there were 7 223 cases nearby and the gun was on semi automatic however agents were near the body for an extended period of time and could have played with the select fire this will have to be more fully explained finally the defense claims that vicki weaver was only going to look at the body not recover of her son when she was cut down by an fbi sniper prosecution quote weaver wanted that confrontation and he made that confrontation asst u s attorney kim lindquist defense quote the evidence in this case is going to show that this is a case where randy weaver and kevin harris are charged with crimes they didnt commit in order to cover crimes that the government did commit gerry spence nice soundbite notes the idaho statesman claims that weaver supporters heeded a call from spence not to repeat yesterdays protests outside the courthouse however the local nbc affiliate again had footage on the 10 00 news with 5 supporters including tim again tim claimed he was a skinhead who were ordinary working class people he also claimed he was for white pride not white power outside the courthouse the television crew had an impromptu interview with bo gritz who charged that the neo nazi protestors are exactly what the government wants to smear randy weaver in an affiliated article carried in the idaho statesman about a dozen lawyers were among the 70 or so people packed into the courthouse these lawyers were present to watch gerry spence in action and to perhaps learn something from him some tidbits spence flatly told the jurors that he and his son kent were volunteering their time to represent weaver because they believed in him spence during his 90 minute opening statement repeatedly walked behind weaver and placed his hands on the defendants shoulders weaver broke down and cried during the recounting of his wifes death and spence compared the sawed off shotgun to driving 56 mph when the limit was 55 another good one today thursday april 15th the prosecution was scheduled to begin presenting evidence drew ron phillips crphilli hound dazixca ingr com senior customer engineer intergraph electronics 381 east evelyn avenue voice 415 691 6473 mountain view ca 94041 fax 415 691 0350 cars re jeep wrangler opini in article 4db vu vlsi ee vill edu mobasser vu vlsi ee vill edu bijan mobasseri writes how do i square this with a respectable resale value easy if its expensive to buy new its gonna be expensive to buy used a patently false statement try this logic on an alfa 164 in fact marketplace has a wonderufl mechanism to adjust the value of the cars that are overpriced by the manufacturer if it is expensive to buy new it is not necessarily expnesive to buy used in fact it could be real cheap to buy used depending what that car is of course note that i do not question your statements on the reliability of wrangler i have never owned one driven one or been in one i do love to have one though what i dont understand is why this apparent neglect of quality for so many years has not filtered down into the used market is jeep so intoxicating so irresistable and so seductive as to make its purchase a fatal attraction bijan yep they are popular vehicles you dont see a lot of previous model year ones sitting on dealers lots for any lenghth of time after the new ones are out the things sell they are popular because they are popular and high priced new they are high price used very simple i knew they were overpriced when i bought it i knew they had a terrible reliability record when i bought it but i didnt expect anything like i got especially with a dealer network unable to repair it personal experience has quickly cured me of my infatuation with the machine dave medicine re ocd this is to followup my previous reply on this topic which it has been pointed out to me might have been dangerously misleading in two spots 1 i stated that psychotherapy meaning talking therapy and so on was used to treat obsessive compulsive disorder which though sometimes true is misleading it is not often found effective particularly by itself primary treatment today usually consists at least in part of drug therapy the most current theories of this condition attribute it to more to biological causes than psychological in places where this distinction becomes important 2 i mentioned that the dsm iiir mentions impulses as a possible diagnostic marker however this might look like something people associate with psychotic conditions uncontrollable or unpredictable behaviors which is not the case with ocd one of the diagnostic criteria of ocd is that the individual can and does suppress some of their impulses although they are an unending source of anxiety the obsessive thoughts and ritualistic actions usually associated with ocd are most frequently very mundane and predictable closer to a superstitious nature than a dangerous nature for the most part some references one non technical and several technical that someone was kind enough to supply for me but was unable to post themself the boy who couldnt stop washing by judith rapaport technical refs pharmacotherapy of o c disorder donna m jermain and lynn crismon pharmacotherapy 1990 10 3 175 198 epidemiology of ocd seteven a rasmussen and jane eisen j clin psychiatry 1990 51 2 suppl 10 13 the waking nightmare an overview of ocd judith l rapoport j clin psychiatry 1990 51 11 suppl 25 28 absence of placebo response in ocd matig r mavissakalian bruce jones stephen olson j nerv ment disease 1990 vol 178 no 4 and thanks very much to those who supplied constructive criticism to my first post on ocd i hope this helps clarify the parts that were misleading kind regards todd todd i stark stark dwovax enet dec com digital equipment corporation 215 354 1273 philadelphia pa usa a word is the skin of a living thought olliver wendell holmes jr baseball re harry caray in article 9500 blue cis pitt edu traven pitt edu neal traven writes dave almost cursed the jays kirsch kirsch staff tc umn edu wrote in article 34592 oasys dt navy mil odell oasys dt navy mil bernard ofarmer newsgroups rec sport baseball by thedell writes i am not quite sure of the reasons but the old man was certainly not enraptured by ole harry but maybe his wife was i dont claim to know whether its true or not but a couple different people totally unrelated have said harry was relieved of his duties because he had more than platonic relations with augie buschs wife judgement is left to the individual cuz i sure dont claim to be an impeachable source in this case among those who have said it well not quite said it but certainly alluded to it is bing devine redbird gm or some other administrator at the time i heard bing speak about it at last years sabr national btw have we had a show of hands about who will be attending this years sabr national in san diego ill be there neal traven pitt edu youre only young once but you can be traven vms cis pitt edu immature forever larry andersen harry talks about this incident in his autobiography holy cow unfortunately i can not clarify on this since 1 i read the book a couple of years ago and 2 i do not have my book with me anyway it is a pretty interesting book if you are a harry or cubs fan rob cars re manual shift bigots in article 1993apr21 100149 1501 rtsg mot com kissane black berkeley edu john g kissane writes as a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the us while here in europe they are rare just wondering in many of our cities there are traffic signals every 100 feet unsynchronised of course well here in ottawa anyway and the roads are so congested that shifting manually is a real pain in the left foot also most canadians are too stupid to learn how to shift manually gee i gotta co ordinate my two feet on the clutch brake and accelerator and i gotta steer shift and operate the signals optional and radio with my two hands duh it cant be done also most north american made cars come with the automatic as standard equipment so why bother with a manual when the car can shift for you for no addition money john kissane motorola ireland ltd o o uucp uunet motcid glas kissanej mahon industrial estate internet kissanej glas rtsg mot com blackrock cork ireland u doug zolmer internet dwjz bnr ca disclaimer my opinions only 1 3 5 bell northern research ltd ottawa ontario canada dept 7n61 service control point routing services design 2 3 r guns who do i write to now okay i have my copies of all relevant gun control bills im mad as hell i want to get involved i want to join the battle to protect our second amendment rights who do i write who should i concentrate on writing my comments to the actual author of the bill the supporters of the bill my congressman my senator newspapers magazines all of the above i dont believe that i will change the world but at least i am going to throw a few punches can any of you offer any advice or suggestions to me as i now begin to get involved here thanks for replying directly to me via e mail pnesbitt mcimail com baseball re bases loaded walk gives reds win in 12 in article 1993apr23 185931 6509 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article mssc5y41d 230 netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes quoted for future reference shown to be consistent in the past overall performance l r splits even matching hitting pitching styles all of these will give me some advantage if used properly was predicting the future the next ab he was predicting that sabo was more likely to get a hit than samuel he believed one of two things 1 sabo was more likely than samuel to get a hit or 2 that more good would be done in the long run by leaving sabo in regardless of the expectation of the actual outcome in fact you dont know what perez had in mind when he left sabo in by supporting the swap you are predicting the opposite in fact i dont think anyone is claiming that they can predict the future or any particular future event but we can believe that certain trends are due to a cause whether or not we have identified the cause and therefore will continue and i am not dismissing your work im stating my opinion you are saying that your work renders any opinion to the contrary invalid so that the retention of that opinion is some kind of insult to your work well yes you are aware of its existance you claim to be incapable of understanding it though i suspect you are simply unwilling yet you rather forcefully state the opposite you dont seem to think the work is worth reading yet you obviously feel the topic is important id say this is insulting i think seeing insults in other peoples opinions is kind of silly after all mark didnt call you a total idiot or call your work stupid he simply stated that it didnt change his opinion on the subject i did not say that it is a consistent skill i have said that it is an indicator of performance under a certain set of circumstances right this is the beef it has not proven to be an indicator of future performance under any circumstances at least none that weve been able to come up with if you know of some where it is an indicator of future performance please let us in on your secret if player a hits better on tuesdays and always has and mark believes that it might be an indication that he will hit on tuesday better next season as well would you respond the same way at some point you might admit that all variable might not be known to you who knows what this guy does every monday night maybe he sees his sports shrink on tuesday mornings or has his vitamin b shots monday nights but this is something thats true of one guy only it doesnt mean that there will be a meaningful correlation for the entire league by days of the week nor that there should be but it doesnt mean we cant make predictions based on that for that particular player i believe that by seasons end that chris sabos batting average in clutch situations will be significantly lower than his batting average in non clutch situations i cant prove that it will happen so i guess well just have to wait and see is this simply a prediction for chris sabo for this year or is this a prediction for all batters who have over the past few years hit xxx amount worse in the clutch than overall i only see a prediction for one player here i dont see anything about all batters heres another one for you in 1989 1991 joe carters batting average in clutch situations was significantly below his batting average in non clutch situations each year i presume you think this is random im not going to get into case analysis sure you can find somebody who hit poorly from 89 91 and then hit poorly in 92 as well you can also find those who hit poorly from 89 91 and then hit well in 92 thats exactly what mark is trying to do though find hitters that have these correlation and ask whether we can make predictions for these hitters based on their past performance major league ballplayers it just makes me think that in 1993 joe carters batting average in the clutch is not going to be as high as his ba in non clutch situations gamblers fallacy unless there is reason to expect consistency a huh what does gamblers fallacy have to do with anything whether you can know the reason for correlation or not you cant deny that it has existent you can only make an argument that you dont think it is likely to continue to exist because you cant see a reason for it to exist run proves nothing can you give us a reason to expect clutch ba to correlate from one year to the next ive seen a detailed study of someone posted recently on why negative clutch would correlate the argument along the lines of star player with l r splits will always see an adverse condition in late innings of a close game i e opposing manager will always bring in a ah pitcher to face him where his manager will not pull him for a ph i dont see how you can deny it as for total idiot yes if you prove yourself unwilling to even consider evidence that might suggest that you are wrong i would say the term fits nicely so tell me does the term fit or do you have an open mind what about you if the shoe fits will you wear it with an open mind rudy baseball re infield fly rule jrogoff scott skidmore edu jay rogoff writes one last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasnt yet been addressed i believe the rule also does not deal with this situation if infield fly is declared and the ball is caught runners can tag up and advance at their own risk as on any fly ball however if the infield fly is not caught at what point can a runner legally leave his base w o fear of being doubled off for advancing too early when the ball hits the ground when a fielder first touches the ball after it hits the ground enlightenment would be appreciated im not sure i understand this question when the if rule is invoked the batter is automatically out this relieves the runners from being forced to advance to the next base if the ball is not caught other than that isnt it just the same as any situation in which a runner on a base is not forced to the next base on a dropped fly ball that is if the ball is caught he can tag up and run or decide to stay and if the ball is dropped he can have left the base at any time eric smith erics netcom com erics infoserv com ci 70262 3610 guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 93109 172450u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz it is kind of funny though how you were the only one who picked up the part about my sister being a social worker and keeping me up to date on the gang thing everyone else seemed to just skim by that part jason i guess that just means everyone else was mistaken jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 windows re challenge to microsoft supporters microsoft is the largest software company on the planet yet i cannot think of even one computing concept that they innovated and brought to market before anyone else xerox parc apple osborne next gnu and others have been pioneers and led the way to the future of computing what has microsoft done to be a technological leader i posted this question before but i got nary a reply i make the challenge now to anyone who can come up with something especially microsoft employees i get no response this time i guess it pretty much assures me that there is none which is what i suspect anyway really when you come down to it who cares i just hope ms keeps doing what they do best getting usable productive software to the masses thx dave l baseball re torre the worst manager in article 93095 hydra gatech edu gt7469a prism gatech edu brian r landmann writes joe torre has to be the worst manager in baseball for anyone who didnt see sundays game with a right hander pitching he decides to bench lankform a left handed hitter and play jordan and gilkey both right handers later in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts lankford a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses luis alicea a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter what the hell is he thinking educate yourself before you rip on this years manager of the year lankford injured himself in a previous game and torre was resting him as far as the whitten gilkey controversy whitten adds some more needed power and if jordan continues to hit the way he has been gilkey will find himself in the starting lineup soon enough sam brian landmann georgia institute of technology internet gt7469a prism gatech edu medicine re iridology any credence to it in article 9304261811 aa07821 dpw com jprice dpw com janice price writes i saw a printed up flyer that stated the person was a licensed herbologist and iridologist i dont believe any state licenses herbologists or iridologists robert greenstein what the fool cannot learn he laughs at thinking green srilanka island com that by his laughter he shows superiority instead of latent idiocy m corelli baseball angels win the angels won their home opener against the brewers today before 33 000 at anaheim stadium 3 1 on a 3 hitter by mark langston j t snow and gary discarcina hit home runs for the angels daniel religion re cecis rosicrucian adventure 930425 tony alicia writes lets start with the name rosicrucian i took me a long time to come to the conclusion that there is a difference between a member of a rosicrucian body and being a rosicrucian so when you say that you met some rosicrucians you mean members of a group that calls themselves rosicrucian at least that is what your observation suggests response this makes much sense to me this is also true of most religions there is a difference between being a member of a group of people who call themselves hindus or christians or pagans and actually being any of these the social groups tend to make very important requirements about not belonging to other religions i find that the ideal described by the holy texts of most religions can be interpreted in very similar ways so that one could presume that mysticism is the core of every religion and huxleys perennial philosophy is the great secret core of all mystical trads tony id prefer if you would have stated up front that it was the lectorium rosicrucianum only because they may be confused by some readers of this newsgroup with the rosicrucian order amorc based the usa jurisdiction in san jose ca this being the rc org with the most members last time i looked of course most members does not necessarily mean best response certainly true i didnt know there were any groups which called themselves rosicrucians that didnt associate with amorc sure ive heard all the hubbub about the golden dawn and rosae crucis in relation to all these western esoteric groups but hadnt heard about other rosicrucians ill admit my bias i live in san jose tony youll have to trust me when i tell you that if that lecture class whatever had been presented by amorc it is unlikely that you would have had the same impression i e youd probably have had a positive impression more likely than a negative one imho response this may be slightly off ive met some of these rosicrucians and have a couple friends in amorc the stories ive heard and the slight contact ive had with them does not give me the hope that id be received with any kind of warm welcome i still like to think that most people who are involved with stratified relationships monogamy religion etc are in deep pain and hope to heal it within such a cast tony it is curious to know that 3 other rc orders in the usa claim to be non sectarian response id like to know at least the addresses of the other orders which call themselves rosicrucians and especially those which are nonsectarian is this nonsectarian like the masons who require that a member believe in god by his her definition tony i dont see nothing fundamentally wrong with us containing something divine and yes i dont like phrases like eternal bliss either response let alone us being something divine tony btw i have read the intro letters of the lrc which they will mail you free of charge response addresses phone numbers of groups im into networking thanks will love imagination is more important than knowledge albert einstein thyagi nagasiva thyagi houseofkaos abyss com house of kaos 871 ironwood dr san jose ca 95125 2815 fr nigris on divination web telnet seismo soar cs cmu edu 9393 windows re cica mirror i find that its always almost anyway busy when i dial but if i try repeatedly usually only 5 to 15 tries i always get connected windows logic of backup i have been backing up my hard drive ever since i had to re install everything from scratch after a crash learned the hard way didnt i i am using a windows based backup program actually norton and i began wondering about the logic of this sure if i accidentally delete a file i can get it from the archive but what if my disk crashes again i would not be able to start windows to run the backup program note by crash i mean there was some error message that prevented the machine from booting properly i think i gave up too early but i didnt have the time patience tools to figure out exactly what the problem was my hard drive needed cleaning up anyway yeah right this whole scenario is complicated by the fact that i am using stacker so i think there are 2 possibilities 1 im right if my disk really crashes i would at least have to re install dos and windows to get the backup program working 2 im wrong there is an easy way to make a mirror of a hard disk that can easily restore its state from scratch the polls are open tom ioerger univeristy of illinois cs grad student ioerger cs uiuc edu religion the laws of god was re a kind and loving god in article 1r4e63inn2kb owl csrv uidaho edu lanphi872 moscow uidaho edu rob lanphier writes these are two conflicting statements to say one is a clarification of the other is a breach of logic i dont mind people shifting their position on an issue it irritates me when it is said under the premise that no change was made what about deuteronomy 22 20 25 is it wrong now did jesus change that if anything he clarified the law such as in that quote you made in the following verses jesus takes several portions of the law and expounds upon the law giving clearer meaning to what god intended sure he does this however he doesnt address the notion of stoning non virgin brides because this needs no clarification are you going to deny that deuteronomy 22 20 25 is not patently clear in its intent i see what you are getting at or at least i think i do correct me if i am mistaken but i think you are asking me if i still believe that we should uphold all of the laws pertaining to capital punishment for such things as adultery rape and other heinous crimes as you may recall jesus was confronted by this same question in regards to the adultress who was caught in the act and brought before jesus and his reply let he who is without sin cast the first stone jesus does not deny the sentence that is to due for this violation of the law what do you think of this i think you will agree with me that there are in todays world a lot of modern day pharisees who know the bible from end to end but do not believe in it what good is head knowledge if there is nothing in the heart ill agree that there is a lot of modern day pharisees that know the bible from end to end and dont believe in it depending on how they use this knowledge they can be scary they can argue any position they desire and back it up with selected parts of the bible such pharisees include david koresh and adolph hitler i will qualify this by saying i dont know if they actually believed what they were preaching but the ends certainly made the means look frightening agreed however just as scary are those that dont know much of the bible but believe every word in fact this is probably scarier since there are far more of these people from what ive seen in addition they are very easy to manipulate by the aforementioned pharisees since they dont know enough to debate with these people agreed also if one is to use the bible as a reference one must always be open to different interpretations as a christian i have the spirit of god to verify what i believe in the word if what the spirit tells me is not backed up in scripture then the spirit i am communicating with is not of god after all jesus tells us to test the spirits to know for sure that it is from god christianity is not just a set of rules its a lifestyle that changes ones perspectives and personal conduct and it demands obedience to gods will no it demands obedience to a book if god came down and personally told me how i should behave then i would say that i would be doing gods will by doing it however if preachers pastors and evangelists tell me to obey the will of a book written by people who have been dead for close to two millenia even longer for the ot even if i follow everything in it with my heart i could scarcely be honest with myself by saying im doing the will of god i obey what the spirit of god tells me to do the spirit will not violate anything that is written in the bible because that is the word of god i do not worship pastors preachers my wife my mother or my father what they tell me does not carry the weight of what god tells me to do and his commands are rienforced in the bible some people can live by it but many others cannot or will not that is their choice and i have to respect it because god respects it too well if god respects it so much how come there is talk in the bible about eternal damnation for non believers i see little respect eminating from the god of the bible i see a selfish and spiteful god eternal damnation is the consequence of the choice one makes in rejecting god if you choose to jump off a cliff you can hardly blame god for you going splat at the bottom he knows that if you choose to jump that you will die but he will not prevent you from making that choice in fact he sent his son to stand on the edge of the cliff and tell everyone of what lies below to prove that point jesus took that plunge himself but he being god was able to rise up again i have seen the example of christ and have chosen not to jump and im trying to tell you not to jump or else youll go splat you dont have to listen to me and i wont stop you if you decide to jump i only ask that you check it out before taking the plunge you owe it to yourself i dont like seeing anyone go splat god be with you malcolm lee medicine iridology any credence to it i saw a printed up flyer that stated the person was a licensed herbologist and iridologist what are your opinions how much can you tell about a persons health by looking into their eyes cars opinions on recent alfa spiders anyone have any opinions on fairly recent model alfa spiders 86 reliablilty for what their class im not talking alfa vs toyota corrola which is more relaible as far as i can discern in recent years there are 3 levels with all basically the same mechanical aspects please email any responses ted schreiber mechanical enginering northwestern university tel 708 491 5386 fax 708 491 3915 email rts nwu edu guns re what if the dividians were black as quoted from 1993apr5 172734 8744 icd ab com by kdw icd ab com kenneth d whitehead oleary cbnewsh cb att com brian m leary writes questions for the media and the politically correct try asking people who dont understand why anyone would worry about the tactics used against the child molesting drug dealing gun running cop killing religious wackos in waco 1 these questions if the people in the compound were black and the guys in ninja suits charging in with assault weapons and grenades were lapd what would you think the charges are essentially the same they used against operation move in philadelphia a few years back where the cops dropped an incendiary bomb on the roof of a tenement and burned down a whole block move was a black group there were some significant differences whereas the branch davidians are reported to have gotten along rather well with their neighbors the move people are generally conceded to have gone far out of the way to antagonize their black neighbors using loudspeakers to all hours of the night keeping large piles of garbage promoting rat and insect infestation and allegedly threatening to kidnap their neighbors children still the same sort of questions regarding use of force remain in that case youre like a bunch of over educated new york jewish aclu lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in arkansas holly silva baseball re tigers in article 93104 100921rk0vsanu miamiu bitnet ryan kearns rk0vsanu miamiu bitnet writes i think that the detroit tigers are the greatest baseball organization of all time shameless woofing deleted on behalf of the rest of us tiger fans out here i appoligize for this shameless woofing we try to keep it to a minimum but we did win a game the other day so sometimes its hard to control see phillies fans michael cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr15 020356 28944 magnus acs ohio state edu sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu steven j orlin writes i take the electrodes of the amp ohm volt meter whatever and connect one to each earlobe then symmetrically insert my fingers in each of the spark plug boots no cheating guys both hands must be used i have just a couple of questions about this technique first what firing order should i use do i start with my pointer finger or my pinky left hand or right and secondly i have a 12cyl and there are two cylinders unaccounted for any suggestions andy medicine herpes question i am looking for some clarification on a subject that i am trying to find some information on how is hsv 2 herpes transmitted i currently know that it can be transmitted during inflammation but what i am looking for is if it can be transmitted during in other periods also i want to know if you can be accurately tested for it while you are not showing symtoms if you can help i would greatly appreciate it teg medicine re cant breathe reply to ron roth rose com ron roth while youre right that the s vertebrae are attached to each other the sacrum to my knowledge can be adjusted either directly or by applying pressure on the pubic bone ron youre an endless source of misinformation there are no sacral vertebrae there is a bone called the sacrum at the end of the spine it is a single solid bone except in a few patients who have a lumbarized s1 as a normal variant how do you adjust a solid bone break it no dont tell me i dont want to know david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell windows re why are our desktop fonts changing in article 16bc0956b jc924 uacsc2 albany edu jc924 uacsc2 albany edu writes one of our users is having an unusual problem if she does an alt tab to a full screen dos program when she goes back to windows her desktop fonts have changed if she goes back to a full screen dos program and then goes back to windows the font has changed back to its default font its not a major problem everything works and the font is legible but it is annoying does anyone have any idea why this happens by the way she has a dec 486d2lp machine if its any consolation i had a similar problem as i recall if i exited from a dos session while in full screen mode the menu titles had changed to a scrambled version of the icon title font or something like that it only started happening after i used icontitlefacename in win ini to change the desktop font to arial so i stopped exiting from dos sessions while in full screen mode my mac used to do something similar arent computers weird mark hadfield hadfield wao greta cri nz niwa oceanographic taihoro nukurangi 310 evans bay rd greta point telephone 64 4 386 1189 po box 14 901 kilbirnie fax 64 4 386 2153 wellington new zealand cars re arctic wheels auto show i want only two things from this world a 58 plymouth and a small opec nation with which to fuel it this would be a good and just thing car smashers can just go home and sulk jacques brouillette manufacturing engineering baseball re jack morris maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes in 1qvag7innsvo lynx unm edu kbos carina unm edu k mitchell bose writes in article 1993apr19 214008 8199 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes again if you had lee on your team last year you would be wearing a ring this year er no er yes if manny lee was on your team last year your team would have been the toronto blue jays my team is the albuquerque leftturns if manny lee were on my team i would not be wearing a ring nor would he if however i were on manny lees team again if manny lee was on your team last year your team would not have been the albuquerque leftturns it would have been the toronto blue jays how is that possible he was on the albuquerque leftturns last year how could you possibly know what team he would be on if manny lee was on his team last year after all manny lee wasnt on his team last year so its complete unfounded speculation to state that if he was on the same team as manny lee last year it would have been the team of the toronto blue jays since he and lee werent on the same team you cannot possibly objectively state what team they would have been on if they had both been on the same team greg windows beta testers required for winsock version of windows trumpet contact me for details peter psychnet psychol utas edu au peter p tattam international phone 61 02 202346 programmer psychology department australia phone 002 202346 university of tasmania hobart tasmania australia medicine re strain gage applications in vivo in article 1993apr28 173600 21703 organpipe uug arizona edu ame 0123 bigdog engr arizona edu terrance j dishongh writes greeting i am starting work on a project where i am trying to make strain gages bond to bone in vivo or a period of several months i am currently using hydroxyapaptite back gages and i have tried m bonding the gages to the bone apart from those two application methods there doesnt seem to be much else in the literature i have only an engineering background not medical or biological i would be interest in any ideas about how to stimulte bone growth on the surface of cortical bone thanks for oyur help in advance terrance j dishongh ame 0123 bigdog engr arizona edu terrance there is a good article entitled a long term in vivo bone strain measurement device journal of investigative surgery 1989 2 2 195 206 by szivek ja magee fp i think you can find some others by searching medline partap s khalsa ms dc faco post doc research fellow u mass med school medicine stargardts disease thanks to aldridge netcom com i now know a bit more about stargardts disease aka juvenile macular distrophy but i would like to learn more first what is the general prognosis is blindness the result second what treatments if any are available the old frogs almanac a salute to that old frog hissef ryugen fisher 604 245 3205 v32 604 245 4366 2400x4 sco xenix 2 3 2 gt ladysmith british columbia canada serving central vancouver island with public access usenet and internet mail home to the holocaust almanac medicine cats and pregnancy hello i heard that a certain disease toxoplasmosys is transmitted by cats which can harm the unborn fetus does anybody know about it is it a problem to have a cat in the same apartment thanks klaus hofmann national institute of materials and chemical research 1 1 higashi tsukuba ibaraki 305 japan cars re too fast in article 1qmcih dhs armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes boyle cactus org craig boyle writes the quality of autobahns is something of a myth the road surface isnt much different to a typical tx freeway they are better in terms of lighting safety signs roadmarkings etc they light the highways in texas funny everywhere else ive been they only light em at junctions sorry by they i meant autobahns not us freeways i wont even get into how much road markings vary between states and localities except to say that there are some areas where markings are essentially nonexistant than most of the roads here a dip in the asphalt that you test your shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130 dont get me wrong i love to it would have to be quite severe i dont recall any us freeway without road damage warnings that i would regard as unsafe at 130 in any decent well damped car i suspect you have very limited experience us freeways vary dramatically particularly between states i can name a number of interstate highways in various parts of the country where 130 would be very optimistic in any car well ive driven in every state but alaska and drive about 60k per year i take long cross country trips any chance i get its fun for me and i can get reimbursment my job allows me to drive rather than fly not to labor the point but ive driven just about every freewayin the us germany uk and france plus some in mexico which was surpisingly good im not sure what you call quite severe in terms of road deviations but i suspect every single bridge junction on i84 through ct would be considered so theyre hard to take at 85mph thats not the only interstate ive seen with such deviations but its one i drive frequently yes but as a age of the total freeway in the us all you have to do in this case is mark the hazard advising people to slow to 85 or so texas is pretty much an edge case you cant assume that everywhere has roads in such good condition such flat terrain and such texas freeways are varied sometimes a good surface mostly flat but i5 in ca is comparable and hilly wide open spaces it just aint so given the absence of other traffic and car built for 130 e g 535 most us freeways are just fine the problem is other road users and cops jim frost jimf centerline com craig cars re warning please read matmcinn nuscc nus sg matthew macintyre at the national university of senegal writes callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes im not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons but i would ask you if you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your alarm i can think of worse things in the world glad you got out of there before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun i think people have a right to kill to defend their property why not be honest do you really care more about scum than about your car i cant tell if matt is being sarcastic here or not but to be honest many automobiles are worth far more to their owners in value and investment than the people that would take them i dont have figures on average property tax in the u s or how much of it is allocated for housing projects inferior public schools jails or the like but i have a feeling that the amount the government steals from an honest productive citizen to breed this trash is significantly less than the value of many automobiles and for those who will argue that the animals out there stealing cars and everything else not to mention committing completely senseless acts of violence such as rape cannot be valued in terms of money because they are human beings i submit that they are not human beings jim callison i think is on the right track and chintan amin remarked earlier that we cannot blame environment for the actions of a single criminal i couldnt agree more one could trace any crime back to the environment upbringing of the criminal should we let all of them out from pickpockets to rapists to inside traders because what they did wasnt their fault where does one draw the line 0 02 michael t chaffee mchaffee ux4 cso uiuc edu email mchaffee sumter cso uiuc edu nextmail sig under construction excuse windows fahrenheit 1280 problems help hi i recently bought an orchid fahrenheit 1280 its a real nice card but im having very big problems with it the basic problem is that vertical lines are missing from the display in windows something like every other line or so also when i use a dos gif viewer namely vpic 6 0c in fahrenheit 1280 mode vertical lines are swapped its very strange looking if it uses vesa standards however it works great only it thinks theres only 512k on the card theres 1mb on there i have contacted orchid support and they tried to be helpful but didnt have the answer i dont think the card is the problem since it works great on my friends computer here is my setup fahrenheit 1280 1mb bios 1 1 386 25 opti chipset2 ami bios 1990 5mb ram maxtor 120mb harddrive slave maxtor 40mb harddrive master panasonic c1381 monitor version 4 6 windows drivers windows 3 1 i tried taking all memory managers etc off and took all other cards besides disk controller off my friends setup is 386sx 16 shamrock monitor if anyone has seen anything like this or can otherwise help i will be very greatful please send e mail to tdarugar tartarus ucsd edu or tdarugar ebon ucsd edu tony medicine scientific yawn gordon rubenfeld responds to ron roth gr ron roth rose com ron roth wrote gr gr rr well gordon i look at the results not at anyones scientific gr rr stamp of approval gr gr if you and your patients followers are convinced as youve written gr by your methods of uncontrolled undocumented unreported unsubstantiated gr subjective endpoint research great but why should the rest of us care gordon even if you are trying to beat this issue to death youll never get more than a stalemate out of this one i have never tried to force my type of medicine on any of you why should i my patients are happy im happy you and your peers seem to be the only miserable ones around bemoaning the steady loss of patients to the alternative camp just look at europe there has been a steady exodus from synthetic medicine for over a decade now and itll be just a matter of time before more people on this continent will abandon their drug and white coat worship as well and visit different doctors for different needs gr you see ron the point isnt whether you and your patients are gr convinced that whatever it is you do works its whether what you do is gr more effective in similar cases of whatever it is you think you are gr treating than cupping bloodletting and placebo this is very interesting i have come exactly to the same conclusions but in regards to conventional medicine you see i dont just treat little old ladies that wouldnt know any different of what is being done but a bulk of my patients consist of teachers lawyers judges nurses accountants university graduates and various health practitioners if these people have gotten results with my method after having been unsuccessful with yours or their own i certainly wouldnt lose any sleep over whether you or your peers approve of my treatments lets face it with all the blunders committed by scientific mds over the years i know a lot of people who hold your scientific method in much lower esteem than they hold mine gr as far as we know ayurveda crystals homeopathy ron roth gr which may all equal placebo administered with appropriate gr trappings sorry but im not familiar or interested with what appears to be new age medicine ayurveda crystals with the exception of homeo pathy of which i took a course but gordon you already knew that you just wanted to make my system look a bit more far out right i use homeopathy very little since my cellular test emr is hard to beat for accuracy and minerals are more predictable while homeopathy does have a problem with reliability especially in acute conditions an exception perhaps are homeopathic nosodes which act fairly quickly and are more dependable in certain viral or bacterial situations gr my colleagues and i spend hours debating study design gr and results even of therapies currently accepted as standard gr as good well adequate scientists we are prepared if gr presented with appropriate data to abandon our most deeply held gr beliefs in favor of new ideas i have met the challenges of hundreds of sceptics by verifying the accuracy of measuring their mineral status to their total satisfac tion in other words everyone involved is happy if you were to cook a meal would you worry over whether everyone in this world would find it to their liking or only those that end up eating it since i have financed every research project that i have undertaken entirely myself i dont need to follow any of your rules or guide lines to satisfy any aspects of a grant application which you may have to neither am i concerned of whether or not my study designs meet your or anyone elses criteria or acceptance gr sorry ron if conviction were the ruler of truth a flat earth would gr still be the center of the universe and epilepsy a curse of the gods i think there would be more justification for an uneducated person growing up in an uncivilized environment to believe in a flat earth than for a civilized well educated and scientifically trained mind to follow the doctrine of evolution genetic engineering of course is now the final frontier to show god how it is properly done now weve become capable of creating our own paradise and give disease and god the boot right but just before we get rid of him for good perhaps he could leave us some pointers on how to solve a couple of tiny problems such as war poverty racism crime riots substance abuse and one last thing could he also give us a hint on how to control natural disasters the weather and last but not least peace ron rosereader 2 00 p003228 the lab called your brain is ready rosemail 2 10 usenet rose media hamilton 416 575 5363 baseball baseball spreads how does one read the betting spreads for baseball they tend to be something like 8 9 which means it must not be runs thanks david rex wood davewood cs colorado edu university of colorado at boulder baseball re no joke rockies have attendance record hell the orioles opening day game could easily be the largest in history if we had a stadium with 80 000 seats but unfortunely the yards a definitely excellent ballpark only holds like 45 000 with 275 sro spots ticket sales for the entire year is moving fast bleacher seats are almost gone for every game this year its a extremely likelyhood that the os could sell out every game this year especially if we lead the division for most of the year like 89 on another front the sale of the orioles to anyone is likely to be forced upon eli jacobs who is major debt apparently maybe we can get an owner willing to spend on a proven rightfielder free agent in the winter fernando has made the os as the fifth starter the os pitching staff looks pretty good sutcliffe mussina mcdonald rhodes and fernando baltimore is my pick for the victors in a very competitive al east admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu committee for the liberation and intergration of terrifying organisms and their rehabilitation into society from red dwarf polymorph the bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed this sig has been brought to you by frungy the sport of kings second to last day of the season gregg the true wild thing olson uncorks a wild pitch allowing the blue jays to tie blue jays win in the 11th and ends the baby birds miracle season of 89 guns re gun talk legislative update for states lvc cbnews cb att com larry cipriani writes iowa all firearm related bills are dead senate file 303 dealing with off duty police officers carrying concealed remains viable the power of the word processor and a stamp at work the fact that around here the state rep generally lives no more than nine miles from any constituent doesnt hurt either dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them baseball re hey red sox fans paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen writes woof gawd how i hate myself for doing this but sometimes you get those urges that are too powerful to overcome to quote sportscenter bosiooo ooo ooo hey bosio threw a no no what the hell a red sox fan going to say to that heck remeber matt young last year ick tac windows re is microsoft windows really and ope all icons in program manager are aliases is that explicit enough apparently not many people complain about the confusion that results from the filemanager progman split its just a basic flaw besides what about the control panel icons where are all those little files medicine use of haldol in elderly does anyone know of research done on the use of haldol in the elderly does short term use of the drug ever produce long term side effects after the use of the drug my grandmother recently had to be hospitalized and was given large doses of haldol for several weeks although the drug has been terminated she has changed from a perky slightly senile woman into a virtual vegetable who does not talk to anyone and who cannot even eat or brush her teeth without assistance it seems incredible to me that such changes could take place in the course of just one and one half months i have to believe that the combination of the hospital stay and some drug s are in part catalysts for this any comments will estes internet westes netcom com windows msdos prompt problem i am having a really bothersome problem using the msdos prompt in windows 3 1 to open a dos box when i am done with the dos box i cant get back to windows if i do alt enter to shrink the box or use exit to close it the screen goes black and i have to control alt delete until i kill windows i get a couple of screens about app not responding i think things are still alive under the black screen because if i alt tab to cycle through the running apps i get flashes of text but then the black returns this persists even if the machine is powered on and off i am working with an app developed using borlands 3 1 application frameworks and c it seems to work fine hardware is a 486 with 16meg ram not on a network video is a tseng vga dos 5 0 i reinstalled windows a couple of time but the problem comes back i am using temporary swapping for virtual memory i would really really appreciate any hints anyone might offer thanks jim cant religion re rosicrucian order s sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes anyway i dont have anything against amorc i just wanted to point out that secret organizations are lead by human beings and we all know what that means i had an ehum interesting experience with the rosicrucians or at least rosicrucians of some sort last sunday they had advertised that they were holding a lecture titled the graal of the king the room of the heart which rhymes in swedish out of curiosity i went to the lecture there were four people there apart from the two rosicrucians one woman and two men apart from me the rosicrucians were male both of them first one of them told us about the rosicrucians and lectorium rosicrucianum which was founded in harlem nl in 1925 he read straight from a piece of paper which i at that point was because he lacked experience in talking in front of people but the other guy read too and he was used to holding speeches i could tell the first guy also said that the r s are a mystical christian order and that they base their teachings on the teachings of the kathars english from the thirteenth century the other guy took over reading from his piece of paper in a fairy tale tellers voice what he said sounded like a load of crap to me of course that might be because i am unenlightened or something what made me a bit suspicious was the way they first said that we all contained something divine and could find our way back to divinity then that we couldnt become divine as the persons we are currently but if we worked really hard we would reach eternal bliss maybe ive read too much raw but it sounded very much like the things he talks about in the chapter how to robotize people and brainwash your friends in prometheus rising it was very interesting to watch the two rosicrucians the one holding the actual lecture obviously was top dog and the other one seemed to be a true believer i got the impression that the top dog had more distance to the faith than the true believer that he used it to gain power and admiration he spoke like a fairy tale teller whenever he remembered the information brochure is at home should you want their address please e mail me ceci ceci lysator liu se men jag tycker nd att emacs r ett hyfsat os lars willfoer still i think emacs is a fairly good operating system guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5tki1 c8s rice edu fontenot ravl rice edu dwayne jacques fontenot writes in c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu bill green writes just to shed some light on the fire it was widely reported ap etc that there were several witnesses to bd folks starting the fires it has also been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once which rules out a bradley knocking over a lamp etc as the cause consider this the bds had more than one lamp the tanks made more than one hole in the building did anyone else notice on the video that it appeared that wherever there was smoke coming out of the building there was a tank nearby the fact that it appears that fires started in several places does not rule out anything i watched it live and have re watched it several times and from the press vantage point there was only one starting point visible where the tank punched in on the windward side and the winds whipped that fire across the whole dry wooden structure in minutes faned by the 30 mph gusts and the hueys if there were other fires started they were not visible nor were they needed to cause the flame progression i observed also where are these several witnesses the way i heard it from the fbi spokesman on cnn the witnesses were all people driving the tanks all witnesses get thier paychecks from the fbi one other point im no fan of janet reno but i do like the way she had the balls to go ahead and take full responsibility seems like the waffle boy had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue too bad nothing will happen to her or him the fbi and the media have done their job well yep they media has endorsed the fbi version without question sad dwayne jacques fontenot jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1r27ld bp2 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article c5t38g il news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article 1r1rad 7rl transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article c5s0ds j54 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes the original question was about who started the fire and whether the madmen were inside or outside the compound to which i replied on the possible sanity level of those inside and outside was that your argument well you didnt make it very well you started from the questionable premise that the fire was necessarily an act of insanity rather than an act of negligence or an accident recall one survivor claims that the fire started when a tank knocked over a kerosene lamp kind of makes arguments regarding relative sanity somewhat moot no and another survivor claims he heard someone shouting the fires started odd terminology thats what one says when you know a fire is planned not when one occurs by accident we will have to wait and see what the evidence shows assuming one is willing to believe any evidence offered by the distrustful ones according to an australian documentary made in the year before the stand off began koresh and his followers all believed he was christ koresh had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound these were the perfect children resulting from the great seed of his magnified horn ex members describe him in ways not dissimilar to the way jim jones has been described point noted have you submitted your faith and sex life for batf clearance better hurry i believe the deadline was april 15 i paid my taxes there was no reference to sex or religion on the form the comments above and below were meant to address who might be unstable enough to keep children in a building with tear gas or start a fire nice evasive maneuver mr chekov but theyre still on our tail let me ask it more plainly which of the above complaints about david koreshs religious or sexual proclivities justified an armed raid by the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms neither again i was merely addressing the sanity level of the players i agree that the batf handled the affair badly from day one btw i heard on the news today that the affadavit behind the no knock warrant was unsealed today grenade launcher was the only thing on the list that i found unusual two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set by cult members so when they talk to the news reporters directly and relate the same details will you believe them believe them i wont even recognize them and neither will anyone else who doesnt know them personally do you believe they would put impostors before the national tv cameras its not entirely far fetched nobody outside the compound would know everybody inside the compound dont forget the batf admits having agents inside the compound in any case ambitious news reporters could use the documentary filmed by an australian in 1992 on the compound grounds to help identify survivors i for one will check their stories for consistency with what i learned in a long news story about that documentary at this point we are getting conflicting reports from the survivors best wait til more light is shed upon them of course this is no good if you believe in eternal darkness im simply being the devils advocate theres reasonable doubt by the boatload standing in the way of anybody totally swallowing the official government story on waco certainly there is some room for doubt i certainly reserve the right to change my opinions when new evidence warrants such a change if i were conspiratorially minded however i would never be able to change my mind because any evidence i disliked would have to be a lie fabricated by the distrustful ones baseball re best homeruns in article 1993apr16 172502 2301 osf org dswartz osf org dan swartzendruber writes in article 4200419 hpcc01 corp hp com boell hpcc01 corp hp com donald p boell writes id have to say the most impressive hrs ive ever see came from dave kingman and his infamous moon raker drives i remember one he hit circa 1976 at wrigley field that went across the street in dead center field and hit a house on the roof he whiffed a lot but when he did connect watch out the best home run i have ever seen came off believe it or not roger clemens sorry val a couple of years ago he threw a ball to incaviglia which was literally at inkys neck and he absolutely hammered the crap out of it after the swing clemens nonchalantly motioned for a new ball he didnt even turn around to look or even get upset the ball hit the lights in the left field standard some 70 or so feet about the green monster over 100 feet above the ground total truly an amazing shot charles medicine calcium deposits on heart valve a friend a 62 year old man has calcium deposits on one of his heart valves what causes this to happen and what can be done about it john greze execnet com guns re your evil tax dollars at work was re atf burns ranch etc etc in article 1993apr23 162517 14029 hpcvusn cv hp com kam cv hp com keith marchington writes good question take an objective look at what happened listen to the things that the fbi said the bds started the fire the bds bodies were found with gunshot wounds that are now being refuted by the evidence being recovered seems that the fbi is deliberately making statements that have no rational basis in fact and trying to make them sound like fact thats another sad thing id expect this sort of shit from the batf but im goddamn disappointed in the fbi they used to be professionals cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars saab mailing list could someone out there please tell me how i could get onto the saab mailing list specifically i need the address and instructions on what to do thanks in advance pete guns re batf fbi do right thing in waco ditto great post joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu baseball re astros are back in article c5hhwv cvk austin ibm com marc yogi austin ibm com marc j stephenson writes keeping in line with the pessimists on the net ill hold off on the astros being all the way back they could indeed contend but that would count on 1 atlanta encountering some unforeseen problems such as injuries or keeping up their early season abysmal hitting while atlanta has the undisputed best starting rotation i feel that their relief staff may be suspect they dont have a real closer although mike stanton 4 saves has been used in that role didnt stanton start off great last year and then falter despite this your point is well taken atlanta doesnt seem to have the same personality as a ny team thus is unlikely to self destruct for houston to take em atlanta needs to suffer some injuries particularly to their starting rotation 2 astros relief corps holding together if doug jones keeps his changeup effective and xavier hernandez can be effective then its passable theres no reasonable left handed help and the middle relief is iffy tom edens was expected to take over the joe boever setup man role but hes been injured and he was an expansion team acquisition anyway houston thought that boever would demand too much money so they let him go doug jones can lose his touch he went from clevelands all star closer to the minors in a pretty short span from what i understand boever and murphy were considered expendable by the club houston felt that their positions could be filled by a number of players art doug jones is the key to houstons success he must have another great year for houston to challenge in the nl west lousey spring closer to the minors in a pretty short span right a strong rotation will take the pressure off of the troubling bullpen bit of shakiness at the fifth starter slot but thats basically normal 4 taubensee anthony gonzalez and cedeno fulfilling some hitting potential anthony appears to be about there taubensees swing looks a lot better this year solid knock against expos last night gonzalez is showing some early power and cedeno still has the loopiest swing this side of tim wallach the unsuspected strength of the lower part of the order has saved the club so far biggio and finley just arent doing their job of getting on base instead of filling his role as an rbi man bagwell has had to assume biggio and finleys job biggio concerns me since he usually starts the season very strong on a side note are you at all concerned with the rumors concerning next years uniform there is talk that their road uniform will be blech traditional grey with the word houston written across the chest if im not mistaken their home uniforms may totally eliminate the color orange shiver mclanes favorite color is red so im really upset the current unforms are dull and the new ones sound horrible id like to see the uniform of the mid 1980s return they may not have been pretty but houston had established a long precident of wearing the ugliest uniforms in baseball and i liked it end of the bargain remember two years ago a little relief goes a long way then they could win 90 games but i doubt it ill project them at 85 wins astros fan since the days of staub morgan jackson aspromonte dierker marc stephenson ibm aws advanced workstations systems austin tx disclaimer the content of this posting is independent of official ibm position internet marc austin ibm com vnet marc at ausvmq ibm t l 678 3189 astros fan since the days of ryan scott smith cruz davis bass hatcher david s schwam university of houston st1rp jetson uh edu guns re dont knock the glock was re my gun is like my am ex card in article 1993apr15 152834 16638 mksol dseg ti com pyron skndiv dseg ti com seriously there is no difference in the safeties betweena glock and any da revolver intellectually think of the glock as a very high cap revolver ignoring stove pipes misfeeds and all the other bonus exercises that autoloaders give you that is on a da revolver you get another try on a misfire on a pistol where the trigger does not cock the hammer like a jennings or an astra m400 or a glock a misfire requires the slide be cycled to get the gun to function rather than a high capacity revolver think of a glock as an astra m400 with no manual safety and a heavier trigger pull jim del vecchio baseball re notes on jays vs indians series in c5hpg6 4lm andy bgsu edu klopfens andy bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein writes kime mongoose torolab ibm com edward kim writes i would tend to call the offensive contributions even but alomar wins hands down in defensive capabilities im not just talking about the number of errors nobody including lind has the range and athleticism at second base i cant recall in the recent past anyone turning the double play better than alomar well why dont you look up those stats baerga may not be the best defensive second baseman in the league but hes damn good check the stats for dps last year and see for yourself according to the defensive average stats posted by sherri baerga had the highest percentage of dps turned in the league while alomar had the worst however alomar had a higher defensive average so who would be better using alomars opportunities 469 groundballs 73 possible double plays alomar had 332 groundouts and turned 18 dps baerga would have had with same da dp 328 groundouts and 35 dps using baergas opportunites 545 groundballs 99 possible double plays alomar would have had with the same da dp 386 groundouts and 25 dps baerga had 381 groundouts and 47 dps baerga looks better though its possible his dp would be lower with a different ss will baerga consistently turn twice as many double plays however alomar has established a high level of defense baerga has not i would bet on alomar to be better next year but last year baerga was just as good overall dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu grad student at large it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball baseball re why spanky sherri nichols writes in article 1ql93binn1s5 postoffice1 psc edu boone psc edu jon boone writes spanky is too slow if he were quicker he would still be here but with slaught and tom prince they didnt want to lose prince in order to bring up that 11th pitcher slaught is about as good as spanky and prince is coming along nicely tom prince is a 28 year old no hit catcher think of him as a young dann bilardello or a young don bordello i cant begin to fathom why the pirates have been so afraid of losing this guy whos been in aaa most of the last 5 seasons the pirates released kirk gibson last year because prince was out of options then eventually sent prince down anyway and he cleared waivers without a peep hes another year older and still cant hit why do they think he wouldnt clear waivers now why would they care theres a strong possibility that the bucs have absolutely no other catching prospects in the minors at this point at least nobody ready for any serious aaa majors duty the main reason they might have stayed with prince could be just age especially if spanky was creeping toward his mid 30s or something all things considered though id be a lot more comfortable with spanky behind the plate than prince isnt there decent backup backstop out there looking for work sherri nichols snichols adobe com david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions 1993 its on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the 411 guns re guns gone good riddance cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes surrender your arms soon enough officers will be around to collect them resistance is useless dont tell me youre the borg warner right haaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha hee hee chuckle this was absolutely fabulous i nearly fell out of my chair laughing wonderful mr tavares my hat is off to you again mike ruff this above all to thine own s t r i d e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self be true polonius those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin guns re ban all firearms jrm gnv ifas ufl edu firearms tend to fall into this low dollar pound area it would not be economic to smuggle them in all production would have to be local there are not all that many people who have both the skill and motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch high ranking crime figures could obtain imported uzis and such but the average person and average thug would be lucky to get a zip gun and would pay through the nose for it good point you make however a zip gun by definition is a crude homemade gun certainly not something capable of sustained accurate fire but it would be useful as a means of getting a normal gun recall the tiny single shot pistols made by the allies during world war ii for use by partisans they were essentially well made zipguns incapable of effective fire beyond a few feet but they were useful as a means of killing german soldiers for their guns also note that the crowd pleasin favorite the sten gun was specifically designed to require as little machine work as possible the points been made here that one could make a sten clone with steel tubing hand tools and a welder i still think that while the point is good i think theres a difference between marijuana and firearms in that quality marijuana can be grown locally theres no need to import the stuff if guns are banned i think the demand for real guns will be sufficient to make smuggling economically feasible thus rendering a ban moot in any case the result would be the same people who arent criminals wont have firearms and bad guys will continue to have access to them one way or another and i dont see that as a necessary situation allan j heim allanh sco com uunet sco allanh 1 408 427 7813 cars re waxing a new car i just had my 41 chrysler painted i was told to refrain from waxing it and to leave it out in the sun supposedly this lets the volatiles escape from the paint over a month or so i can smell it 15 feet away on a hot day and lets any slight irregularites in the surface flow out as the paint remains a little soft for a while windows serial printing hi weve been having problems on a few setups when printing to a serial printer dmp or laser i have used works and windows write the output is ok from dos and if i send plain text output but anything fancy garbles or just doesnt output the exception is outputting to a lserjet 4 which appears to be fast enough receiving data not to bother about handshaking messages im sure im not alone in this ive tried most of the print network manager options i can think of anyone had similar problems theyve cured and would like to tell me bout it thanks john atherton cars emergency brake on 86 nissan maxima just a quick simple question really how many wheels are affected by the emergency brake on an 86 nissan maxima ive heard that all four are affected but this would seem unusual to me i thought the emergency brake on most cars only affected the rear wheels also how powerful is the emergency brake usually enough to lock wheels at 30mph hmmmm i just have to wonder about some of the things i hear outatime baseball re braves pitching updatedir not clear to me at all id certainly rather have a team who was winning 4 1 games than 2 1 games in the 2 1 game luck is going to play a much bigger role than in the 4 1 game but you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to one run sam sherri nichols snichols adobe com windows wordbasic visual basic macros template i am working with visual basic v2 0 for windows specifically i am working on an application that generates formatted reports since some of these reports can be rather large my first question is 1 is there a way to increase the size of a list box or text box in visual basic windows beyond the 64k limit as i have not as yet being optimistic come across a way to get around the above problem i am working on the following approach i am trying to create my own defined template in ms word using the wordbasic macros so that i can open up word from visual basic vb and load this template of mine which will work in the following way it will first open myown ini file created in vb at the time when the user selected the kind of report he weanted and read the section from the ini file and jump to the appropriate code in template which will then open and read a file pertaining to the section it read from the ini file 1 when using the getprofilestring function in wordbasic is there a way to specify change the default ini file which is win ini to myown ini file 2 when using the file input function in wordbasic is there a way to read more than the 32k at one time any help will be appreciated pgupta magnus acs ohio state edu medicine re earwax in fauk03m6d0kq00 amdahl uts amdahl com dated 29 apr 93 15 43 10 gmt lmtra uts amdahl com leon traister writes stephen mont cs missouri edu stephen montgomery smith writes what is the healthiest way to deal with earwax should one just leave it in your ear and not mess with it or should you clean it out every so often can cleaning it out damage your eardrums are there any tubes in your ear that might get blocked assuming that the wax is causing hearing loss congestion or popping in the ears you can try some cautious tepid water irrigation with a bulb syringe but it is awkward to do for oneself and may not work or may even make things worse my wife would disagree she does it successfully every six months or so in any case do not attempt anything with q tips ill agree with your wife while i was a student i had doctors remove rather surprising amounts of wax from my ears by flushing them out a couple times usually because they were examining my ears for some other reason and said something like gee youve got a lot of wax in there in my case removal of these large wax buildups did noticeably improve my hearing and ive since gotten in the same habit as your wife of flushing them out with warm water from a little rubber bulb every few months you can buy little bulbs together with ear drops for this express purpose from the drug store i dont notice that the drops accomplish much of anything one question i do have a doctor who flushed out my ears once also advocated a drop of rubbing alcohol in them afterwards to flush out any remaining trapped water said he told swimmers to do this after swimming too it works but it stings like the devil so ive always been content to let any water in my ears from swimming or flushing them out figure out how to get out by itself if shaking my head a few times wont do the trick any comments windows re leaking memory resources in 3 1 heres an interesting table showing how much resources an application uses and how much it gives back on shut down this is take from windows user may 1993 issue application min resource use resource not returned gdi user gdi user winsleuth gold v3 03 10 6 2 14 word for windows v2 0b 10 0 5 0 lotus 123 v1 1 13 3 3 2 arts and leters v3 12 7 7 3 1 powerpoint v3 0 9 1 3 0 corel draw v3 0 10 6 3 0 micro designer v3 1 10 2 2 0 crosstalk v2 0 0 0 0 0 excel v4 0a 11 8 0 0 hijacck v1 0 2 2 0 0 image in color pro 3 2 0 0 picture publisher v3 1 21 8 0 0 powerleads executive ed v1 03 0 5 0 0 adobe type manager v2 5 1 0 na na skylight v2 0 1 0 0 0 the numbers are in percentage and are in a decreasing order what does this table tells you if you frequently start and exit a program that doesnt give back all of its resources then you continually lose these resouces therefore only open these programs up once and leave them open btw maybe people can add to this list so we know what application to watch out for later doug medicine arthritis and diabetes i have osteoarthritis and my huband has just been diagnosed with diabetes type ii i guess no insulin ive been trying to read up on these two conditions and what really surprises me is how few experiments have been done and how little is known losing weight appears to be imperative for diabetes and advisable for arthritis at least for women with arthritis but of course the very conditions that make weight loss advisable are part of the reason for the weight gain for myself im almost afraid to lose weight because no matter how gentle and sensible a diet i use the last one was 1800 2000 calories in about eight small meals the weight wont go off gradually and stay off instead it drops off precipitously and then comes back on with much interest like bread on the waters with this experience its hard to be encouraging to my husband all i can suggest is to make it as gradual as possible meanwhile some experts recommend no sugar others no fat others just a balanced diet its almost impossible to tell from their writings which parts of their recommendations are supposed to help the condition and which are merely ideas the expert thinks are nifty is it my imagination or are these very old conditions very poorly understood is it just that im used to pediatrician talk its strep give him this and hell get well and so my expectations are too high bonita kale medicine re kidney stones in article 1993apr28 095305 3587 rose com ron roth rose com ron roth writes banschbach vms ocom okstate edu marty banschbach writes b medicine has not and probalby never will be practiced this way there b has always been the use of conventional wisdom a very good example is b kidney stones conventional wisdom because clinical trails have not been b done to come up with an effective prevention was that restricitng the b intake of calcium and oxalates was the best way to prevent kidney stones b from forming clinical trials focused on drugs or ultrasonic blasts to b breakdown the stone once it formed through the recent new england j of b medicine article we now know that conventional wisdom was wrong b increasing calcium intake is better at preventing stone formation than is b restricting calcium intake b marty b marty i personally wouldnt be so quick and take that nejm article on kidney stones as gospel first of all i would want to know who sponsored that study i have seen too many nutrition bulletins over the years from local newspapers magazines to tv guide with disclaimers on the bottom informing us that this great health news was brought to us compliments of the dairy industries there are of course numerous other interest groups now that thrive financially on the media hype created from the supposedly enormous benefits of increasing ones calcium intake secondly were all the kidney stones of the test subjects involved in that project analysed for their chemical composition the study didnt say that it only claimed that most kidney stones are large ly calcium perhaps it wont be long before another study comes up with the exact opposite findings a curious phenomenon with researchers is that they are oftentimes just plain wrong it wouldnt be the first time sodium magnesium calcium phosphorus ratios are in my opinion still the most reliable indicators for the cause treatment and prevention of kidney stones i for one will continue to recommend the most logical changes in ones diet or through supplementation to counteract or prevent kidney stones of either type and they definitely wont include an increase in calcium if the stones have been identified as being of the calcium type and peoples chemical analysis confirms that they would benefit from a phosphorus raising approach instead ron roth ron you are absolutely right not all kidney stones have calcium and not all calcium stones are calcium oxalate but the vast majority are calcium oxalate calcium is just one piece of the puzzle i cited that nejm article as a way of pointing out to some of the physicians in this group that conventional wisdom is used in medicine always has been and probably always will be if one uses conventional wisdom there is a chance that you will be wrong as long as the error is not going to cause a lot of damage whats the big deal why call a physician who gives anti fungals to sinus suffers or gi distress patients a quack on the kidney stone problem id want a mineral profile run in a clinical chemistry lab balance is much more important than the dietary intake of calcium i know that you use an electrical conductance technique to measure mineral balance in the body i know that you dont think that the serum levels for minerals are very useful i agree if i can get a good nutritional assessment lab setup where i can actually measure the tissue reserve for minerals id like to do a collaborative study with you to see how your technique compares with mine marty b medicine faq typing injuries 2 4 general info monthly posting archive name typing injury faq general version revision 4 28 date 1993 04 13 04 17 58 answers to frequently asked questions about typing injuries the typing injury faq sources of information for people with typing injuries repetitive stress injuries carpal tunnel syndrome etc copyright 1992 1993 by dan wallach dwallach cs berkeley edu many faqs including this one are available on the archive site pit manager mit edu alias rtfm mit edu 18 172 1 27 in the directory pub usenet news answers the name under which a faq is archived appears in the archive name line at the top of the article this faq is archived as typing injury faq general z theres a mail server also just e mail mail server pit manager mit edu with the word help on a line by itself in the body the opinions in here are my own unless otherwise mentioned and do not represent the opinions of any organization or vendor im not a medical doctor so my advice should be taken with many grains of salt current distribution sci med occupational sci med comp human factors news sci comp answers and e mail to c health iubvm ucs indiana edu sorehand vm ucsf edu and cstg l vtvm1 cc vt edu changes since previously distributed versions are marked with change bars to the right of the text as is this paragraph table of contents 1 mailing lists newsgroups etc 2 the soda berkeley edu archive 3 general info on injuries 4 typing posture ergonomics prevention treatment 5 requests for more info 6 references 1 mailing lists newsgroups etc usenet news comp human factors occasionally has discussion about alternative input devices comp risks has an occasional posting relevant to injuries via computers sci med and misc handicap also tend to have relevant traffic theres a brand new newsgroup sci med occupational chartered specifically to discuss these things this would be the recommended place to post mailing lists the rsi network 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people think of next 2 the soda berkeley edu archive ive started an archive site for info related to typing injuries just anonymous ftp to soda berkeley edu pub typing injury 128 32 149 19 currently youll find informative files typing injury faq general information about typing injuries keyboards products to replace your keyboard software software to watch your keyboard usage changes changes since last months edition new keyboard commentary dans opinions on the keyboard replacements amt advice about adverse mechanical tension caringforwrists sit hqx pagemaker4 document about your wrists caringforwrists ps postscript converted version of above carpal info info on carpal tunnel syndrome carpal explained very detailed information about cts carpal surgery jama article on cts surgery carpal tidbits tidbits article on cts tendonitis info info on tendonitis rsi biblio bibliography of rsi related publications rsi network archive of the rsi network newsletter currently containing issues 1 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xidle shar keeps track of how long youve been typing rest reminder sh yet another idle watcher kt15 tar generates fake x keyboard events from the serial port use a pc keyboard on anything new improved version accpak exe a serial port keyboard spoofer for ms windows note a2x tar and rk tar are both from export lcs mit edu contrib so they may have a more current version than soda a2x tar a more sophisticated x keyboard mouse spoofing program supports dragondictate note a new version is now available rk tar the reactive keyboard predicts what youll type next saves typing pictures in the gifs subdirectory howtosit gif picture of good sitting posture the caringforwrists document is better for this accukey1 gif fuzzy picture accukey2 gif fuzzy picture with somebody using it apple gif the apple adjustable keyboard bat gif the infogrip bat comfort gif the health care comfort keyboard datahand1 gif fuzzy picture datahand2 gif key layout schematic datahand3 gif a much better picture of the datahand flexpro gif the key tronic flexpro keyboard kinesis1 gif the kinesis ergonomic keyboard kinesis2 gif multiple views of the kinesis maltron 1 4 gif several pictures of maltron products mikey1 gif the mikey mikey2 gif schematic picture of the mikey tony gif the tony ergonomic keysystem twiddler1 gif front view twiddler2 gif side view vertical gif the vertical keyboard wave gif the iocomm wave keyboard many files are compressed have a z ending if you cant uncompress a file locally soda will do it just ask for the file without the z extension if youre unable to ftp to soda send me e mail and well see what we can arrange 3 general info on injuries first and foremost of importance if you experience pain at all then you absolutely need to go see a doctor as soon as you possibly can the difference of a day or two can mean the difference between a short recovery and a long drawn out ordeal go see a doctor now your garden variety doctor may not necessarily be familiar with this sort of injury generally any hospital with an occupational therapy clinic will offer specialists in these kinds of problems dont wait though go see a doctor the remainder of this information is paraphrased without permission from a wonderful report by new zealands department of labour occupational safety and health service occupational overuse syndrome treatment and rehabilitation a practitioners guide first a glossary or fancy names for how you shouldnt have your hands note youre likely to hear these terms from doctors and keyboard vendors rsi repetitive strain injury a general term for many kinds of injuries oos occupational overuse syndrome synonym for rsi ctd cumulative trauma disorder another synonym for rsi wruld work related upper limb disorders yet another synonym for rsi cts carpal tunnel syndrome see below hyperextension marked bending at a joint pronation turning the palm down wrist extension bending the wrist up supination turning the palm up wrist flexion bending the wrist down pinch grip the grip used for a pencil ulnar deviation bending the wrist towards the little finger power grip the grip used for a hammer radial deviation bending the wrist toward the thumb abduction moving away from the body overspanning opening the fingers out wide now then problems come in two main types local conditions and diffuse conditions local problems are what youd expect specific muscles tendons tendon sheaths nerves etc being inflamed or otherwise hurt diffuse conditions often mistaken for local problems can involve muscle discomfort pain burning and or tingling with identifiable areas of tenderness in muscles although theyre not necessarily the problem why does occupational overuse syndrome occur heres the theory normally your muscles and tendons get blood through capillaries which pass among the muscle fibers when you tense a muscle you restrict the blood flow by the time youre exerting 50 of your full power youre completely restricting your blood flow without fresh blood your muscles use stored energy until they run out then they switch to anaerobic without oxygen metabolism which generates nasty by products like lactic acid which cause pain once one muscle hurts all its neighbors tense up perhaps to relieve the load this makes sense for your normal sort of injury but it only makes things worse with repetitive motion more tension means less blood flow and the cycle continues another by product of the lack of blood flow is tingling and numbness from your nerves they need blood too anyway when youre typing too much youre never really giving a change for the blood to get back where it belongs because your muscles never relax enough to let the blood through stress poor posture and poor ergonomics only make things worse specific injuries you may have heard of note most injuries come in two flavors acute and chronic acute injuries are severely painful and noticable chronic conditions have less pronounced symptoms but are every bit as real tenosynovitis an inflamation of the tendon sheath chronic tenosynovitis occurs when the repetitive activity is mild or intermittent not enough to cause acute inflamation but enough to exceed the tendon sheaths ability to lubricate the tendon as a result the tendon sheath thickens gets inflamed and youve got your problem tendonitis an inflammation of a tendon repeated tensing of a tendon can cause inflamation eventually the fibers of the tendon start separating and can even break leaving behind debris which induces more friction more swelling and more pain sub acute tendonitis is more common which entails a dull ache over the wrist and forearm some tenderness and it gets worse with repetitive activity carpal tunnel syndrome the nerves that run through your wrist into your fingers get trapped by the inflamed muscles around them symptoms include feeling pins and needles tingling numbness and even loss of sensation cts is often confused for a diffuse condition adverse mechanical tension also known as neural tension this is where the nerves running down to your arm have become contracted and possibly compressed as a result of muscle spasms in the shoulders and elsewhere amt can often misdiagnosed as or associated with one of the other oos disorders it is largely reversible and can be treated with physiotherapy brachial plexus stretches and trigger point therapy others for just about every part of your body theres a fancy name for a way to injure it by now you should be getting an idea of how oos conditions occur and why just be careful many inexperienced doctors misdiagnose problems as carpal tunnel syndrome when in reality you may have a completely different problem always get a second opinion before somebody does something drastic to you like surgery 4 typing posture ergonomics prevention treatment the most important element of both prevention and recovery is to reduce tension in the muscles and tendons this requires learning how to relax if youre under a load of stress this is doubly important tune out the world and breath deep and regular relaxing should become a guiding principle in your work every three minutes take a three second break every three minutes take a three second break really do it every three minutes its also helpful to work in comfortable surroundings calm down and relax if you cant sleep you really need to focus on this rest sleep and relaxation are really a big deal there are all kinds of other treatments of course drugs can reduce inflamation and pain custom molded splints can forcefully prevent bad posture surgery can fix some problems exercise can help strengthen your muscles regular stretching can help prevent injury good posture and a good ergonomic workspace promote reduced tension ice or hot cold contrast baths also reduce swelling only your doctor can say whats best for you posture here are some basic guidelines i so liked the way this was written in the new zealand book that im lifting it almost verbatim from appendix 10 dwallach let your shoulders relax let your elbows swing free keep your wrists straight pull your chin in to look down dont flop your head forward keep the hollow in the base of your spine try leaning back in the chair dont slouch or slump forward alter your posture from time to time every 20 minutes get up and bend your spine backward set the seat height first your feet should be flat on the floor there should be no undue pressure on the underside of your thighs near the knees and your thighs should not slope too much now draw yourself up to your desk and see that its height is comfortable to work at if you are short this may be impossible the beest remedy is to raise the seat height and prevent your legs from dangling by using a footrest now adjust the backrest height so that your buttocks fit into the space between the backrest and the seat pan the backrest should support you in the hollow of your back so adjust its tilt to give firm support in this area if you operate a keyboard you will be able to spend more time leaning back so experiment with a chair with a taller backrest if available now i diverge a little from the text a good chair makes a big difference if you dont like your chair go find a better one you really want adjustments for height back angle back height and maybe even seat tilt most arm rests seem to get in the way although some more expensive chairs have height adjustable arm rests which you can also rotate out of the way you should find a good store and play with all these chairs pick one thats right for you in the san francisco bay area i highly recommend just chairs the name says it all keyboard drawers wrist pads and keyboard replacements there is a fair amount of controvery on how to get this right for some people wrist pads seem to work wonders however with good posture you shouldnt be resting your wrists on anything you would prefer your keyboard to be right there if you drop your arms at your side and then lift your hands up at the elbow you want your keyboard under your hands when your elbows are at about 90 degrees of course you want to avoid pronation wrist extension and ulnar deviation at all costs wrist pads may or may not help at this you should get somebody else to come and look at how you work how you sit how you type and how you relax its often easier for somebody else to notice your hunched shoulders or deviated hands some argue that the normal flat keyboard is antiquated and poorly designed a number of replacements are available on the market today check out the accompanying typing injury faq keyboards for much detail 5 requests for more info clearly the above information is incomplete the typing injury archive is incomplete theres always more information out there if youd like to submit something please send me mail and ill gladly throw it in if youd like to maintain a list of products or vendors that would be wonderful id love somebody to make a list of chair desk vendors id love somebody to make a list of doctors id love somebody to edit the above sections looking for places where ive obviously goofed 6 references i completely rewrote the information section here using a wonderful guide produced in new zealand by their occupational safety health service a service of their department of labour special thanks to the authors wigley turner blake darby mcinnes and harding semi bibliographic reference occupational overuse syndrome treatment and rehabilitation a practitioners guide published by the occupational safety and health service department of labour wellington new zealand first edition june 1992 isbn 0 477 3499 3 price 9 95 new zealand s of course thanks to richard donkin richardd hoskyns co uk for reviewing this posting dan wallach one of the most attractive features of a connection dwallach cs berkeley edu machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces office 510 642 9585 of its cabinet cm paris ref manual v6 0 p48 guns re my gun is like my in article 1993apr16 194708 13273 vax oxford ac uk jaj vax oxford ac uk writes what all you turkey pro pistol and automatic weapons fanatics dont seem to realize is that the rest of us laugh at you so what we think youre pretty hilarious too i love how you brits kiss royal arse that youre willing to throw out freedom of speech for the sake of protecting the reputation of the royal sluts that the british government advertised in american newspapers send a gun to defend a british home british civilians faced with threat of invasion desperately need arms for the defense of their homes during wwii american rifleman november 1940 that the obscene publications act and the misuse of drugs act have been used as justification for the police to seize masterpieces such as william s burroughs junky hunter thompsons fear and loathing in las vegas and tom wolfes the electric kool aid acid test british courts have never recognized the right to assemble or to demonstrate that evidence obtained form coerced confessions is allowed in a trial that only serious felonies warrant a trial by jury that suspected terrorists must prove their innocence instead of the government having to prove their guilt that the secretary of state may issue an exclusionary order which bars someone from ever entering a particular part of the united kingdom such as northern ireland or wales that the bbc banned paul mccartneys give ireland back to the irish as well as john lennons give peace a chance during the gulf war yes england is very very funny and very pathetic i knew somebody else who went to one of your gun mart superstore places just so he could experience the sight of people putting guns and ammo into shopping carts i didnt believe it myself until i drove by one in vegas last year so what laughter is a way of dealing with things we find uncomfortable i thought the las vegas show girl ads on las vegas street corners were pretty funny yes indeed there are many strange and wonderous things in this country i wouldnt have it any other way now that i live in britain i can see how the rest of the civilized world perceives you gun nut morons the bbc recently referred to the american penchant for pistols automatic weapons etc very appropriately it was called a national eccentricity i dont disagree with that i dont think its bad either the only problem is that canada i hear is suffering from your national eccentricity in that easy to purchase weapons are being smuggled cross the border so what if they didnt come from here they would come from elsewhere disguised as cocaine anyway all you gun nut rush limbaugh fans please keep up your diatribes against brady and other evil liberal media plots you re so damn funny you provide endless amounts of entertainment in your arguments and examples of why someone should be allowed to carry a piece keep us all chuckling you can laugh all you want for us its a matter of life or death i dont find that funny in the least as for england as our allies become more open britain grow yet more secretive and censorious perhaps the real british vice is passivity a willingness to tolerate constraints which others would find unbearble in britain an unfree country by terrence dequesne and edward goodman pp 33 larry cipriani l v cipriani att com medicine re krillean photography in article 20apr199315574161 vxcrna cern ch filipe vxcrna cern ch vinci writes how about kirlian imaging i believe the faq for sci skeptics sp has a nice write up on this they would certainly be most supportive on helping you to build such a device and connect to a 120kvolt supply so that you can take a serious look at your aura filipe santos cern european laboratory for particle physics switzerland please sign the relevant documents and forward the remaining parts to our study effect of 120 kv on human tissue wrapped in film thanks for your support dr thomas trusk dept of cellular biology anatomy email to ttrusk its mcw edu medical college of wisconsin milwaukee wi 53226 disclaimer ala foghorn leghorn 414 257 8504 its a joke son a joke i say religion re merlin mithras and magick in article joshua 93apr20190924 bailey cpac washington edu joshua cpac washington edu joshua geller wrote i would really appreciate if when someone brought something like this up they didnt back out when someone asked for details josh excuse me i am not trying to back out josh maybe you should try to make an informed responce when your are trying to pack and your references are packed and someone responses like you did no grin pegasus windows realizing colours win ini setting changes to y automatically mornin all i was wonderin i got screenpeace the screensaver which i think is very good and i got a problem with it there is an option there realize colour table and if its switched on some wallpapers colours will get ucked up with some screensavers e g the flashlight one if i turn it off however it works well and its faster so i have it off alls nice and well however if i turn it off then it will be on again next time i start windows all the setting are set in the win ini file and i do have save settings on exit selected also i tried manually changing the setting in the win ini file to n for no realize colour table and started windows it will be fine for that session but the next session will again turn the option on i tried adding a r read only attribute to my win ini file and it worked but my bitmap wallpaper saver didnt work then actually its the same application anywya it didnt work since it must change the setting at the win ini file so anyone out there got any answers suggesions comments for me thanks i a mickey aka mp pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd windows dos 6 a loaded gun was why im not using dos 6 anymore mark woodruff cda90038 ucf1vm bitnet writes ive been running dos 6 for about a month i was generally impressed with the improvements the multiple boot configurations were great the new commands were nice and doublespace worked fine twice as slow for large data transfers twice as fast for small with smartdrv until now this morning at 4 am while i was working on my research paper i had to reboot a hung dos program that did no disk i o from within windows 3 1 when my machine finished rebooting i found my windows directory and about two thirds of my other directories were irreversibly corrupted i cannot afford problems like this im returning to dos 5 mark p s ive also noticed bad sector errors from doublespace where none should exist infoworld april 26 1993 issue has two articles about problems with dos 6 a second look article calls it a loaded gun and that people should exercise extreme caution if they decide to use it the point out that doublespace and memmaker are both problem areas that will cause a number of folks problems mss response was to the effect that there had been no problems reported that they could duplicate probably are not trying too hard cringely reports that a lot of folks are getting going to get burned on the 900 support lines his example was a call that cost 67 50 for 3 minutes of tech support after 25 minutes on hold i want to see the ms spin doctors explain this windows re permanaent swap file with dos 6 0 dbldisk in comp os ms windows misc you write while reading through the dos 6 0 book it states that the windows permanaent swap file will not work correctly when placed on a compressed drive to make things compatable i removed my permanent swap file before starting the upgrade however when all the dust settled and i go into windows it says that the temporary swap file is right where it always was in the windows directory my question is how come the temporary swap files works ok with a compressed drive and the permanent one doesnt you might want to look in windows faq for this one but here is my best explanation but i cant guarantee that im not way off base the permenant swap file is read written to by windows by talking directly to the hard disk controller card the controller card must use the protocal set up by western digital or something like that windows creates a file called spart par in your windows directory that points to that file it then uses the physical information about your disk to index to information in that file compressed disks are actually logical disks these disks have different characteristics than the actual physical disk furthermore the information on the compressed disks must be uncompressed before it is used i e it must go through the decompression program that traps disk reads at the operating system level or the bios level because of this inbetween program windows cannot use direct methods to read from the logical disk a permenant swap file is only there to reserve an area of the disk that windows can use and to block that space from dos windows would theoretically not even have to access the file from dos to use that disk space i dont know if it does or doesnt but it checks for it somewhere everytime you boot windows a temporary swap file is just a normal dos file that is accessed by windows via dos and the bios if a disk compression program or other tsr is loaded the file access must go through dos tsrs disk compression and bios in order to be access i e never use a temporary swap file never more on permenent swap files im sure everyone who has an uncompressed part of their compressed hard disk has seen the message you have selected a swap file greater than the suggested size windows will only use the size suggested do you want to create this swap file anyway or something like that well a friend of mine robert called microsoft and asked them what and why what they said is that windows checks the amount of free disk space and divides that number by 2 then it checks for the largest contiguous block of free disk space windows then suggests the smaller of the two numbers they also said that under absolutely no circumstances none will windows uses a swap file larger than the suggested size well thats what he said i call bull if this is true why does windows report the memory is available to me if its not going to use it any takers james if this doesnt get to the net will someone post it for me thanks cars re what car is this you guys are correct the bricklin was produced in canada the national museum of science and technology here in ottawa has one and sometimes they put it on display most of the time it stays in storage because the museum doesnt have much room its a big deal for a car to be canadian and thats why they have it if anybodys a fan they also have a nice green 73 riviera that looks like it just came out of the showroom mike harker ottawa ontario canada voice 613 823 6757 medicine feverfew for migraines i heard a short blurb on the news yesterday about an herb called feverfew that some say is good for preventing migraines i think the news said there were two double blind studies that found this effective does anyone know about these studies or have experience with feverfew im skeptical but open to trying it if i can find out more about this what is feverfew and how much would you take to prevent migraines if this is a good idea that is are there any known risks or side effects of feverfew thanks in advance for any info brenda cars re instead of a saturn sc2 what in ifn spo00iv18 a8nz andrew cmu edu jr4q andrew cmu edu jason m roth writes r t had an article on cars of the sc1 ilk and they liked the civic ex the escort gt and the mx 3 best of all and the sc1 was way down the list except for braking i just looked at that article first of all this summary is inaccurate of 10 cars the sc1 was 5th right behind these mentioned and the suzuki swift as has been pointed out it was a semi silly comparison the saturn was at least 500 cheaper than the mx 3 and escort admittedly negligible but an issue and 1500 less than the honda the stated goal was a base under 12k the honda was 500 over while the sc2 at the same price was excluded in other words they let the best honda play but not the best saturn note that the saturn did beat the 13k i dont know about the car comparison but as far as the price goes rest assured that the street prices for the mx 3 and escort and maybe even the honda will be lesser than that of the saturn youre talking about all price comparisons ive seen are based on msrp and of course the saturn dealer will sell the car for sticker price whereas the others will do it way below sticker srihari baseball re jewish baseball players in article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we werent able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help oh i forgot art shamsky former red and mets player batted 301 between injuries in 1969 fell short of qualifying for top 10 because of injuries and platoon with ron swoboda no swobo wasnt jewish scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe lets go mets windows re wp pcf linux risc leebr ecf toronto edu lee brian writes in article 1qu8ud 2hd sunb ocs mq edu au eugene mpce mq edu au writes in article c5o1yq m34 csie nctu edu tw ghhwang csie nctu edu tw ghhwang writes dear friend the risc means reduced instruction set computer the risc usually has small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase the clock rate to have a high performance you can read some books about computer architecture for more information about risc hmm not that i am an authority on risc but i clearly remember reading that the instruction set on risc cpus is rather large the difference is in addressing modes risc instruction sets are not as orthogonal is cisc the original riscs had small instruction sets and simple ones the idea was that a every instruction should be completable in a single clock cycle and b to have no microcode and c extensive pipelines a few comparisons from patterson reduced instruction set computers cacm v28 1 1985 cpu year instructions microcode ibm 370 168 1973 208 420kb dec vax 11 780 1978 303 480kb ibm 801 1980 120 0 ucb risc 1 1982 39 0 stanford mips 1983 55 0 while researching for the vlsi vax dec discovered that 60 of the vax microcode is there to support 20 of the instruction set which accounted for a mere 0 2 of all instructions executed the uvax 32 subsetted the architecture onto a single chip and used a software emulator for these very complex instructions the full vlsi uvax included the entire instruction set was 5 10 times more copmlex but only ranm 20 faster cpu chips microcode transistors uvax 32 2 64k 101k vlsi uvax 9 480k 1250k real deryk barker computer science dept camosun college victoria b c email dbarker camosun bc ca phone 1 604 370 4452 windows re page setup in notepad in 1993apr13 200508 5167 cbnewsh cb att com krh cbnewsh cb att com writes i often use notepad to view and print read me type files i often find myself rushing to get to print manager to stop the printer and delete the file from the print queue because ive forgotten to reset the print margins from 75 inches left and right to 0 inches the resulting printed text looks all chopped up because of the hard returns in the source file i struggled with the margin problem for ages as well until i finally got hold of the shareware binary editor beav133 and dug into notepad exe there is no setup facility to force notepad to default to 0 0 margins its hardwired into code do a search for 75 then change the offending bytes to 00 et viola who are the guys who hardcode these options anyway im interested in whether the problem only rears its ugly head for certain printers im using an old epson lx 800 or is that ex 800 never can remember aloha guns analysis of second amendment was re some more about gun control in article 1993apr21 042608 26086 ra msstate edu dnewcomb whale st usm edu donald r newcomb writes first i would like to say how much i appreciate having so literate and erudite an individual as mr rutledge with whom to discuss this topic frankly most anti rkba posters refuse even to approach the topic of the original understanding of the bill of rights as detailed in the writings of the era this is most refreshing second i must apologize for leaving the discussion for several days my brigades quarterly drill was this weekend and i needed to attend to several matters pertaining to the state militia some people seem to feel that the concept of the militia is an anachro nism that is out of place in the 20th century im not sure the swiss would agree and i think perhaps a discussion of how the militia both organized and unorganized fits into the defense plans of my state mississippi please do not assume that this describes something peculiar to one southern state for instance the commonwealth of massachusetts has a well organized militia which members report maintains stocks of both riot guns and machine guns the laws of other states will vary but are probably similar it appears it is time that this article originally posted by larry cipriani last year and which i saved gets posted again it offers as good an analysis of the meaning of the second amendment especially regarding the militia clause as i have seen i have not seen any rebuttles with similar bone fides enjoy flames to dev null begin enclosed article the unabridged second amendment by j neil schulman if you wanted to know all about the big bang youd ring up carl sagan right and if you wanted to know about desert warfare the man to call would be norman schwarzkopf no question about it but who would you call if you wanted the top expert on american usage to tell you the meaning of the second amendment to the united states constitution that was the question i asked a c brocki editorial coordinator of the los angeles unified school district and formerly senior editor at houghton mifflin publishers who himself had been recommended to me as the foremost expert on english usage in the los angeles school system mr brocki told me to get in touch with roy copperud a retired professor journalism at the university of southern california and the author of american usage and style the consensus a little research lent support to brockis opinion of professor copperuds expertise roy copperud was a newspaper writer on major dailies for over three decades before embarking on a a distinguished 17 year career teaching journalism at usc since 1952 copperud has been writing a column dealing with the professional aspects of journalism for editor and publisher a weekly magazine focusing on the journalism field hes on the usage panel of the american heritage dictionary and merriam websters usage dictionary frequently cites him as an expert copperuds fifth book on usage american usage and style the consensus has been in continuous print from van nostrand reinhold since 1981 and is the winner of the association of american publishers humanities award that sounds like an expert to me after a brief telephone call to professor copperud in which i introduced myself but did not give him any indication of why i was interested i sent the following letter i am writing you to ask you for your professional opinion as an expert in english usage to analyze the text of the second amendment to the united states constitution and extract the intent from the text the text of the second amendment is a well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed the debate over this amendment has been whether the first part of the sentence a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state is a restrictive clause or a subordinate clause with respect to the independent clause containing the subject of the sentence the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed i would request that your analysis of this sentence not take into consideration issues of political impact or public policy but be restricted entirely to a linguistic analysis of its meaning and intent further since your professional analysis will likely become part of litigation regarding the consequences of the second amendment i ask that whatever analysis you make be a professional opinion that you would be willing to stand behind with your reputation and even be willing to testify under oath to support if necessary my letter framed several questions about the test of the second amendment then concluded i realize that i am asking you to take on a major responsibility and task with this letter i am doing so because as a citizen i believe it is vitally important to extract the actual meaning of the second amendment while i ask that your analysis not be affected by the political importance of its results i ask that you do this because of that importance after several more letters and phone calls in which we discussed terms for his doing such an analysis but in which we never discussed either of our opinions regarding the second amendment gun control or any other political subject professor copperud sent me the follow analysis into which i have inserted my questions for the sake of clarity copperud the words a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state contrary to the interpretation cited in your letter of july 26 1991 constitutes a present participle rather than a clause it is used as an adjective modifying militia which is followed by the main clause of the sentence subject the right verb shall the to keep and bear arms is asserted as an essential for maintaining a militia in reply to your numbered questions schulman 1 can the sentence be interpreted to grant the right to keep and bear arms solely to a well regulated militia copperud 1 the sentence does not restrict the right to keep and bear arms nor does it state or imply possession of the right elsewhere or by others than the people it simply makes a positive statement with respect to a right of the people schulman 2 is the right of the people to keep and bear arms granted by the words of the second amendment or does the second amendment assume a preexisting right of the people to keep and bear arms and merely state that such right shall not be infringed copperud 2 the right is not granted by the amendment its existence is assumed the thrust of the sentence is that the right shall be preserved inviolate for the sake of ensuring a militia schulman 3 is the right of the people to keep and bear arms conditioned upon whether or not a well regulated militia is in fact necessary to the security of a free state and if that condition is not existing is the statement the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed null and void copperud 3 no such condition is expressed or implied the right to keep and bear arms is not said by the amendment to depend on the existence of a militia no condition is stated or implied as to the relation of the right to keep and bear arms and to the necessity of a well regulated militia as a requisite to the security of a free state the right to keep and bear arms is deemed unconditional by the entire sentence schulman 4 does the clause a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state grant a right to the government to place conditions on the right of the people to keep and bear arms or is such right deemed unconditional by the meaning of the entire sentence copperud 4 the right is assumed to exist and to be unconditional as previously stated it is invoked here specifically for the sake of the militia schulman 5 which of the following does the phrase well regulated militia mean well equipped well organized well drilled well educated or subject to regulations of a superior authority copperud 5 the phrase means subject to regulations of a superior authority this accords with the desire of the writers for civilian control over the military schulman 6 if at all possible i would ask you to take account the changed meanings of words or usage since that sentence was written 200 years ago but not take into account historical interpretations of the intents of the authors unless those issues can be clearly separated copperud to the best of my knowledge there has been no change in the meaning of words or in usage that would affect the meaning of the amendment if it were written today it might be put since a well regulated militia is necessary tot he security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged schulman as a scientific control on this analysis i would also appreciate it if you could compare your analysis of the text of the second amendment to the following sentence a well schooled electorate being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed my questions for the usage analysis of this sentence would be 1 is the grammatical structure and usage of this sentence and the way the words modify each other identical to the second amendments sentence and 2 could this sentence be interpreted to restrict the right of the people to keep and read books only to a well educated electorate for example registered voters with a high school diploma copperud 1 your scientific control sentence precisely parallels the amendment in grammatical structure 2 there is nothing in your sentence that either indicates or implies the possibility of a restricted interpretation professor copperud had only one additional comment which he placed in his cover letter with well known human curiosity i made some speculative efforts to decide how the material might be used but was unable to reach any conclusion so now we have been told by one of the top experts on american usage what many knew all along the constitution of the united states unconditionally protects the peoples right to keep and bear arms forbidding all governments formed under the constitution from abridging that right as i write this the attempted coup against constitutional government in the soviet union has failed apparently because the will of the people in that part of the world to be free from capricious tyranny is stronger than the old guards desire to maintain a monopoly on dictatorial power and here in the united states elected lawmakers judges and appointed officials who are pledged to defend the constitution of the united states ignore marginalize or prevaricate about the second amendment routinely american citizens are put in american prisons for carrying arms owning arms of forbidden sorts or failing to satisfy bureaucratic requirements regarding the owning and carrying of firearms all of which is an abridgement of the unconditional right of the people to keep and bear arms guaranteed by the constitution and even the american civil liberties union aclu staunch defender of the rest of the bill of rights stands by and does nothing it seems it is up to those who believe in the right to keep and bear arms to preserve that right no one else will no one else can will we beg our elected representatives not to take away our rights and continue regarding them as representing us if they do will we continue obeying judges who decide that the second amendment doesnt mean what it says it means but means whatever they say it means in their orwellian doublespeak or will be simply keep and bear the arms of our choice as the constitution of the united states promises us we can and pledge that we will defend that promise with our lives our fortuned and our sacred honor c 1991 by the new gun week and second amendment foundation informational reproduction of the entire article is hereby authorized provided the author the new gun week and second amendment foundation are credited all other rights reserved about the author j neil schulman is the award winning author of novels endorsed by anthony burgess and nobel economist milton friedman and writer of the cbs twilight zone episode in which a time traveling historian prevents the jfk assassination hes also the founder and president of softserv publishing the first publishing company to distribute paperless books via personal computers and modems most recently schulman has founded the committee to enforce the second amendment cesa through which he intends to see the individuals right to keep and bear arms recognized as a constitutional protection equal to those afforded in the first fourth fifth ninth and fourteenth amendments j neil schulman may be reached through the softserv paperless bookstore 24 hour bbs 213 827 3160 up to 9600 baud mail address po box 94 long beach ca 90801 0094 genie address softserv end enclosed article pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 pat myrto seattle wa if all else fails try uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former albert einstien baseball re old predictions to laugh at in article wilbanks 734921387 spot colorado edu wilbanks spot colorado edu kokopeli writes my prediction the red sox cubs series and vikings broncos superbore will occur at the end of the world so which one will officially be the end of the world i can see the end of the ws now well folks here it is bottom of the ninth bases loaded full count on sandberg in this 1 1 game clemens winds heres the pitch swung on and it is a line drive to center zupcic moves to his left hes there and zot joec godot cyprs rain com warning elvis impersonating can be hazardous joec ursula ee pdx edu to your health it sure wont help your reputation i bike therefore i am go red sox go celtics go seahawks go sonics guns re washington state in article 1993mar30 191157 8338 synapse bms com hambidge bms com writes in article 93088 191742u23590 uicvm uic edu u23590 uicvm uic edu writes what is a ccw acronym for concealed carrying of weapon basically a permit to carry a concealed pistol or revolver i phoned licensing division in washington state to ask for an application for a ccw instead they promptly sent me an applicationfor becoming a firearms dealer in washington they even sent me a firearms safety pamphlet case kim cars re lois chevrolet a little bit off of the subject but here goes yes he is one in the same i e chevrolet motor div also his brother gaston raced at indy and was the winner in 1920 i have also seen the name arthur chevrolet in the early teens 1911 and on i assume he is related keith nuetzman nuet ke pts mot com motorola inc paging and wireless data group boynton beach fl see ya at indy 500 and 400 yes baseball re wfan in article 1993apr15 151202 3551 virginia edu jja2h virginia edu writes does any one out there listen to wfan for those of you who do not know what i am talking about it is an all sports radio staion in new york on a clear night the signal reaches up and down the east coast in particular i want to know how len berman and mike lupicas show is i go to school in virginia so i cant listen when there are on during the day just wondering the fan is an okay sports radio station but doesnt come close to the ultimate in sports radio 610 wip in philadelphia the signal might not be as powerful but then again only stations in new york feel obligated to pollute everyone elses airwaves with a bunch of hoodlum mets fans complaining 24 hours a day wip took two of your best sports jockeys too jody macdonald and steve fredericks 610 wip is rockin with sports talk from 5 30 am till midnight check it out anytime your within a few hours of philadelphia if im not mistaken wip has the highest sports talk ratings in the nation rob p s the only nice thing about the fan is that they talk sports all night hopefully 610 will begin to do that somewhat soon medicine re how about a crash program in basic immunological research in article 221 ky3b uucp km ky3b pgh pa us ken mitchum writes as a physician i almost never get sick usually when something horrendous is going around i either dont get it at all or get a very mild case when i do get really sick it is always something unusual this was not the situation when i was in medical school particularly on pediatrics pediatrics for me was three solid months of illness and i had a temp of 104 when i took the final exam i think what happens is that during training and beyond we are constantly exposed to new things and we have the usual reactions to them so that later on when challenged with something it is more likely a re exposure for us so we deal with it well and get a mild illness this is also commonly seen in new teachers the first few years theyre sick a lot but gradually seem to build up immunities to almost everything common come to think of it i was about my healthiest when i was working in a pathogens lab exposed to who knows what all the time pre osha of course kay klier biology dept uni cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time from article 1pq6i2 a1f news ysu edu by ak296 yfn ysu edu john r daker cup holders driving is an importantant enough undertaking ashtrays smokers seem to think its just fine to use the road oh sure sorry but the absence of a cupholder is not gonna discourage anyone from eating drinking in the car lets just put one in anyway so at least they dont have the further distraction of trying not to spill it furthermore you are obviously not a smoker on a cold day it takes a certain skill to toss a butt out of a cracked window without having it wind deflect into the back seat also just cause some smokers use the window doesnt mean all of us do this reminds me of one pleasant feature in the otherwise ergonomically hellish interior of the alfa romeo milano you could ash your cigarette without even removing your hand from the wheel the tray was right there fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs any gold trim these i will agree are abominations right along with the fake continental spare tire kit its sad watching those little old ladies try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire medallion in the way most pitiful fake convertible top on a cadillac cimarron with all the chrome door trim still visible not fooling anyone of course there was that hyundai excel i once saw a laszlo csd4 csd uwm edu redhead afficionado extraordinaire and v little canadias minister of fine tobaccos o 0 cigaret brands sampled 55 import luxury 17 handrolling these opinions are not necessarily mine or mine either can anyone bum me a sig medicine selective placebo from romdas uclink berkeley edu ella i baff writes jb rr i dont doubt that the placebo effect is alive and well with jb rr every medical modality estimated by some to be around 20 jb rr but why would it be higher with alternative versus conventional jb rr medicine jb jb because most the the time closer to 90 in my experience there is no jb substance to the alternative intervention beyond the good intentions of the jb practitioner which in itself is quite therapeutic jb jb john badanes dc ca jb romdas uclink berkeley edu well if thats the case in your practice i have a hard time figuring out how you even managed to make it into the bottom half of your class or did you create your diplomas with crayons if someone runs a medical practice with only a 10 success rate they either tackle problems for which they are not qualified to treat or they have no conscience and are only in business for fraudulent purposes otoh who are we kidding the new england medical journal in 1984 ran the heading ninety percent of diseases are not treatable by drugs or surgery which has been echoed by several other reports no wonder mds are not amused with alternative medicine since the 20 magic of the placebo effect would award alternative practitioners twice the success rate of conventional medicine ron rosereader 2 00 p003228 purranoia the fear your cat is up to something rosemail 2 10 usenet rose media hamilton 416 575 5363 baseball re let it be known in article 93104 233239issbtl byuvm bitnet issbtl byuvm bitnet writes i would like to make everyone aware that in winning the nl west the atlanta braves did not lead wire to wire through games of 4 14 93 the houston astros are percentage points ahead of the unbeatable braves and they deserve to be if for no other reason than salvaging a little of the honor of the nl west the supposed strongest division in baseball lost 6 of 7 to the east yesterday with only the astros prevailing we will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard 503 750 3511 home 3006 nw mckinley corvallis or 97330 503 752 8424 a sabr member since 1979 medicine re pregnency without sex in article stephen 735806195 mont stephen mont cs missouri edu stephen montgomery smith writes when i was a school boy my biology teacher told us of an incident in which a couple were very passionate without actually having sexual intercourse somehow the girl became pregnent as sperm cells made their way to her through the clothes via persperation was my biology teacher misinforming us or do such incidents actually occur sounds to me like someone was pulling your leg there is only one way for pregnancy to occur intercourse these days however there is also artificial insemination and implantation techniques but were speaking of natural acts here it is possible for pregnancy to occur if semen is deposited just outside of the vagina i e coitus interruptus but thats about at far as you can get through clothes no way better go talk to your biology teacher kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer cars re what is the deal with blue book value of an auto its a toll for insurance companies and auto dealers to rip you off in case of accident or trade in charlie ellis chellis nyx cs du edu charlie ellis chellis nyx cs du edu religion re oto the ancient order of oriental templars thyagi cup portal com thyagi morgoth nagasiva writes this organization is known at the present time as the ancient order of oriental templars ordo templi orientis otherwise the hermetic brotherhood of light does this organization have an official e mail address these days an address for any of the sf bay area lodges e g thelema would do 93 a lizard a lizard internet addresses alizard tweekco boo pacbell com preferred pacbell com boo tweekco alizard bang path for above alizard gentoo com backup pgp2 2 public key available on request baseball re astros are back in article 15apr199311534452 rosie uh edu st1rp rosie uh edu schwam david s writes in article c5hhwv cvk austin ibm com marc yogi austin ibm com marc j stephenson writes 2 astros relief corps holding together if doug jones keeps his changeup effective and xavier hernandez can be effective then its passable theres no reasonable left handed help and the middle relief is iffy tom edens was expected to take over the joe boever setup man role but hes been injured and he was an expansion team acquisition anyway houston thought that boever would demand too much money so they let him go doug jones can lose his touch he went from clevelands all star closer to the minors in a pretty short span from what i understand boever and murphy were considered expendable by the club houston felt that their positions could be filled by a number of players art doug jones is the key to houstons success he must have another great year for houston to challenge in the nl west no argument at all with murphy he scared the hell out of me when he came in last year on the other hand the club though enough of boever to put him into an awful lot of games he may have led the league in appearances he did at least at some point he seemed to be a very viable setup guy but i guess thats not considered that crucial by the club i can just remember two years ago so well though the unsuspected strength of the lower part of the order has saved the club so far biggio and finley just arent doing their job of getting on base instead of filling his role as an rbi man bagwell has had to assume biggio and finleys job biggio concerns me since he usually starts the season very strong im not that concerned those guys have been relatively consistent over the years and they have no good reasons to decline no injuries not old i expect them to come through just fine its those guys that have not been consistently good that are the worrisome part even if they are coming through right now on a side note are you at all concerned with the rumors concerning next years uniform there is talk that their road uniform will be blech traditional grey with the word houston written across the chest if im not mistaken their home uniforms may totally eliminate the color orange shiver mclanes favorite color is red so this sounds like their old road unis pretty dull buttons or pullovers ill check through my uniform book to see if theyve always had some orange im really upset the current unforms are dull and the new ones sound horrible id like to see the uniform of the mid 1980s return they may not have been pretty but houston had established a long precident of wearing the ugliest uniforms in baseball and i liked it well well see ive got a astros pullover shirt with the astros stripes across the shoulders and i have trouble making myself wear it in public i can see why they might want that to change gee if they eliminate the orange will they reupholster the seats in the astros stripes section what used to be the gold and yellow levels i dont know those numbers they use now i saw a pinstripe version of an astros cap and i actually thought it looked good marc stephenson ibm aws advanced workstations systems austin tx disclaimer the content of this posting is independent of official ibm position internet marc austin ibm com vnet marc at ausvmq ibm t l 678 3189 medicine re crohns disease in article 1993apr14 174824 12295 westminster ac uk kxaec sun pcl ac uk david watters wrote dear all i am a crohns disease sufferer and im interested if anyone knows of any current research that is going on into the subject ive done some investigation myself so you dont need to spare me any details ive had the fistulas the ileostomy etc is a cure on the horizon i am not in the medical profession so if you do reply i would appreciate plain speak id prefer to be mailed direct as i dont always get a chance to read the news thank you in advance dave the best group to keep you informed is the crohns and colitis foundation of america i do not know if the uk has a similar organization the address of the ccfa is ccfa 444 park avenue south 11th floor new york ny 10016 7374 usa they have a lot of information available and have a number of newsletters good luck steve baseball when is melido due back when are the yankees planning on activating melido perez his 15 days on the dl are up today but are they bringing him back this weekend thanks for any info medicine arythmia i dont know if anyone knows about this topic electrical heart failure one of my friends has had to go to the doctor because he had chest pains the doc said it was arythmia so he had to go to a new york hospital for a lot of money to get treated his doctors said that he could die from it and the medication caused cancer that he was taking well i suggested that he run excersize and eat more he is very skinny but he says that has nothing to do with it does anyone know what causes arythmia and how it can be treated thanks cars re toyota land cruiser worth it in article 1r3sbbinn8e0 hp col col hp com tvervaek col hp com tom vervaeke wrote my wife and i looked at and drove one last fall this was a 1992 model it was wayyyyyyyyy underpowered i could not imagine driving it in the mountains here in colorado at anything approaching highway speeds i have read that the new 1993 models have a newer improved hp engine im quite serious that i laughed in the salesman face when he said once its broken in it will feel more powerful i had been used to driving a jeep 4 0l 190hp engine i believe the 92s land cruisers land yachts were 3 0l the sames as the 4runner which is also underpowered in my the 91 and 92 cruisers run the 4 0l straight 6 which only has about 150hp and 220lb ft of torque plenty off highway marginal on the highway the 93 has a much improved 4 2l straight 6 with 200hp and 275ft lb torque they are big cars very roomy but nothing spectacular if you take them on rough trails youll see the difference the cruiser is an order of magnitude better in off highway ability jim chott 85 toyota 4wd pickup rzaa80 email sps mot com 72 lemans sport convertible tempe arizona baseball re re all time best players drm6640 tesla njit edu writes 1b career don mattingly lou gehrig ironman steve novak ban the bomb ban the pope steven advtech uswest com medicine re urine analysis in article 1rm2bn kps transfer stratus com randy faneuf vos stratus com writes someone please help me i am searching to find out as many others may an absolute cure to removing all detectable traces of marijuana from a persons body is there a chemical or natural substance that can be ingested or added to urine to make it undetectable in urine analysis if so where can these substances be found you could do what i do never go near the stuff michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi baseball re jays darrin jackson is a nightmare give jackson a break he lost about 10 pounds with that flu he had when he was traded dj was a popular player in san diego derek bell was not faring well in the clubhouse at toronto so no matter how bad he looks now i still think it was a steal for the jays just from the perspective of team chemistry no statistic can describe it sorry statheads and since there are so many new faces in the clubhouse i think the jays are still trying to find it insert the same comment into the jack morris v clemens ws ring string yet at first i was sad to see derek go still anticipating all of the talent they raved about at the beginning of last season im glad to see him faring well for the padres though eric cars re best radar detector valentine 1 troy sequent com troy wecker writes there is no question that the valentine 1 299 has good range but not significant enough to be 2 or 3 times as expensive as some of the others the big win with the v 1 is not its range but rather its directionality and multiple transmitter tracking which you later called a gimmick a conclusion i disagree with since the detector incorporates multiple receivers its not surprising that its significantly more expensive while the added capabilities may not help you there is added value for those of us who live in areas where there are a lot of false alarms summary valentine 1 way too expensive and not a significantly better performer i certainly call it interesting but im another person who thinks that the added value might be coming at too high a cost very adequate radar detectors are available for less than half the cost and one of them has suited me rather well if i did more long distance travelling in areas im not familiar with id probably consider getting the v 1 because its additional information would be useful in discriminating false alarms jim frost jimf centerline com guns re rewording the second amendment ideas in article 1993apr21 091130 17788 ousrvr oulu fi dfo vttoulu tko vtt fi foxvog douglas writes in article viking 735378520 ponderous cc iastate edu viking iastate edu dan sorenson writes ill give you a little hint see that manure pile in the farmers field down the road in the usa that is a weapon of mass destruction nope it is not considered a weapon ironic since its pretty much what was used to blow up the world trade center cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet baseball phils nl east not so weak i love it how all of these people are blaming the phillies success on a weak division why dont we look at the record of the teams in each division read inter divisional play well see that the east is really kicking the shit out of the west i know it is early but that is all we have to go on atlanta is just so strong with their 188 ba cincinnati is 2 7 coming off a sweep at veterans stadium in philadelphia and houston was swept in its first three games by the phillies in the astrodome that my western division friends shows that the three best teams in your division may not be as strong as you think phils all the way in 93 braves hit like a aaa club reds need marge bob religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes brian kendig contorts it can not be a light which cleanses if it is tainted with the blood of an innocent man now showing how brian kendig is in the dark of the most fundamental basic of the old testament concepts like santification and lev 17 11 must be foreign to you too bad you are not interested in understanding too bad you prefer blurting folly even to your own shame lev 17 11 for the life of the flesh is in the blood and i have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul the old testament was very big on the eye for an eye business it makes sense that leviticus would support physical injury to repay moral wrongdoing i know about sanctification ive been taught all about it in sunday school catechism class and theology classes but even after all that i still cant accept it maybe im still not understanding it or maybe im just understanding it all too well from the bottom of my heart i know that the punishment of an innocent man is wrong ive tried repeatedly over the course of several years to accept it but i just cant if this means that i cant accept the premise that a god who would allow this is perfectly good then so be it what ignorance you can show us next i guess ill wait till tomorrow if you can explain to me why the death of jesus was a good thing then i would be very glad to hear it and you might even convert me be warned however that ive heard all the most common arguments before and they just dont convince me brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr15 160922 8797 magnus acs ohio state edu sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu steven j orlin writes in article 1993apr15 135514 29579 cbnewsj cb att com rdb1 cbnewsj cb att com ronald j deblock jr writes you can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in place of the bolt i have one on both of my cars there have been no leaks in 210 000 miles combined miles on both cars yes but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot all they have to do is reach underneath turn a valve and forget the trip home most cars have drain petcocks in the radiators and ive never seen nor heard of a vandal opening one i imagine that there would be an even lower risk with an oil plug because you have to crawl furthur under the car to open it car vandals are usually real traditional in their methods and do things that dont get them dirty like keying your car dumping sand sugar or mothballs in the gas tank tping it etc boycott usl novell for their absurd anti bsdi lawsuit drew eckhardt condemn colorado for amendment two drew cs colorado edu use linux the fast flexible and free 386 unix baseball royals final run total ive been saying this for quite some time but being absent from the net for a while i figured id stick my neck out a bit the royals will set the record for fewest runs scored by an al team since the inception of the dh rule p s any ideas what this is they will fall easily short of 600 runs thats for damn sure i cant believe these media fools picking them to win the division like our tom gage of the detroit news claiming herk robinson is some kind of genius for the trades aquisitions hes made c ya sean sean sweda sweda css itd umich edu css itd consultant president bob sura fan club gm manager motor city marauders internet baseball league play ball cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time my 66 ford has vent windows operated by a crank just like a window only it opened out like a normal vent window my 70 f100 my dads 84 bronco and pretty much every truck ive seen thats worth riding in has vent windows does that mean that im not a young feller anymore james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center i dont understand the fascination with vent windows they create a tremendous turbulence and noise that makes even a simple connversation impossible at speeds above 40mph the current flow throuh ventilation if designed right are far more superior bijan guns re what to do if you shoot somebody in article 93108 025818u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes i have heard many opinions on this subject and would like to hear more from the people on the net say youre in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody you give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them my question is what do you do should you stay and wait for the cops or should you collect your brass if youre using a semi auto and get out of there provided of course you dont think that you have been seen what kind of laws are on the books regarding this type of situation what would be the most likely thing to happen to you if you stayed and waited and it was a first offense what would happen if you took off but someone saw you and you were caught in massachusetts you will likely be arrested for murder but if you convince the cops da that you used lethal force because of threat of death or serious bodily harm then the charges would probably be dropped if you run away and are later caught then you will have a much harder time convincing cops judge jury of your innocence going on the lam is seen as an indication of guilt by a lot of people jim lacey my own opinions email att cbnewsl jlacey or jlacey cbnewsl cb att com dou venons nous que sommes nous ou allons nous cars borgward question my ex husband i used to own borgwards havent seen any for a long time they were really good cars does ayone out there know anything about them now i heard they were being made in mexico but of course they wouldnt be the original german if thats even true when ive been in mexico i havent seen any we loved ours even tho they were ugly they had names one was humphrey borgward guns re h r 711 in article c5qepl 1nu cbnews cb att com lvc cbnews cb att com larry cipriani writes posting the text of h r 711 to amend title 18 united states code to ensure that handguns are available only to persons with demonstrated knowledge and skill in their safe use maintenance and storage 8 1 1 a an individual who is not licensed under 9 this section may not possess a handgun on or after the 10 date final regulations are prescribed pursuant to para 11 graph 2 unless the individual has been issued a handgun 12 permit under paragraph 2 note that this is a licensing bill pretending to be a training bill gridlock the only mechanism ever to succeed in slowing down the growth rate of big government windows need help with wordperfect 5 2 for windows im trying to install wordperfect 5 2 for windows on my computer im running a 386sx25 w 2meg ram and a 4meg virtual mem setting for windows i keep getting errors when i try to run wp52 it tells me that i dont have enough memory or disk space since i have 47megs free on the hd im assuming that i dont have enough memory can anyone tell me what it takes to run this beast thanks stealth dave destill mtu edu if you are caught using this address internet will deny any responsibility of its use this e mail will self destruct in 10 seconds cars re ultimate awd vehicles in article 20726 2bcd8b62 ecs umass edu sylveste ecs umass edu writes before the s4 became the s4 it was called the 200 turbo quattro 20v this model did come in a wagon a very quick wagon very rare also mike sylvester umass yes i saw a 200 turbo quattro wagon on i 287 in nj on monday i thought audi stopped selling wagons in the us after the 5000 this is exactly the type of vehicle i would like to own i bet its price is 4 5 times my car budget ron deblock rdb1 homxb att com thats a number 1 in rdb1 not letter l at t bell labs somerset nj usa guns re carrying arms in article 1993apr5 220457 6800 spdc ti com dwhite epcot spdc ti com dan white writes however havent we already lost our right to bear arms it seems that in most states like texas a citizen may own a gun and carry while at his home or business but a citizen is severely restricted from bearing outside these areas here in texas you cannot carry in your car except when traveling which is usually defined as traveling across a county line how did this come about are there any court rulings on the legality of restricting the carrying of a weapon outside the home in texas it is legal to carry handguns while traveling and also to and from sporting activities chapter 46 of the texas state penal code does not restrict long guns therefore it is legal to carry and transport long guns any place in texas regards clay cars re necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership in article 1993apr2 174850 6289 cbnewsl cb att com prm cbnewsl cb att com paul r mount writes in your experience how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning will do much more good than just using detergent gas while i agree that a clogged fuel injector would darken my day how clogged do they get and is 59 a good price or can i do it myself by buying a can of what and doing what a fuel injector cleaning at the dealer is probably little more than them opening your gas tank dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner and sending you on your merry way 59 poorer go to kmart and buy the cleaner yourself for 1 29 just because you dealer sez you need it dont mean its necessarily so be suspicious jim grey jwg acd4 acd com guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article dusek 735489223 shale dusek rtsg mot com james p dusek writes ccdarg dct ac uk alan greig writes or the cultists i think ill quote the bbc quoting actually voice interview one of the two british survivors he claimed that the fire started when the tanks caused an internal wooden wall roof to collapse knocking over kerosene lamps and that they had no suicide plan if the fbi started the fire why didn t people flee the burning building in this case it was unimportant as to who set the fire the davidians would have burned no matter what especially if the batf fbi set the fire as this would make the beseiged martyrs to vernon howell and therefore rocket to heaven a few comments from the remaining davidians scattered throughout the country seemed to confirm this theory one cult member said that she wished that she had been there and that now she would have to wait for vernon to return for them she actually seemed upset that she did not burn with them while i think that vernon started the fire his followers anyway it is incidental to their reaction personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were religion re what right joakimr ifi uio no joakim ruud writes recently ive asked myself a rather interesting question what right does god have on our lives always assuming there is a god of course in his infinite wisdom he made it perfectly clear that if we dont live according to his rules we will burn in hell well with what right can god make that desicion lets say for the sake of argument that god creates every one of us directly or indirectly it doesnt matter what then happens is that he first creates us and then turns us lose well i didnt ask to be created i guess i ought not conclude from this then that since you didnt ask to be created you dont care if you go to hell lets make an analogue if a scientist creates a unique living creature which has happened it was even patented does he then have the right to expect it to behave in a certain matter or die who is god to impose its rules on us who can tell if god is really so righteous as god likes us to believe are all christians a flock of sheep unable to do otherwise that follow the rest i dont consider myself an unthinking sheep the bible says god created us to be in communion and obedience to him the first and only rule was to not eat of a certain tree or else the punishment is distance from him and physical death gods intention in creating us is to have a relationship with us the bible documents gods attempts to have that relationship culminating in the person of jesus to bear the consequences of all sin so that all who accept him can have a relationship with god again the purpose of creation who is god to impose rules on us hes god and he created us i suppose he has a right based on who he is above you mention in his infinite wisdom and thats what id say god exemplifies but if you were being sarcastic up there then this whole discussion is irrelevant eh and if we believe god is infinitely wise that belief should inform our relationship with him windows re need iconized printer utility in article c6ezhn jlq tsoft net tedm tsoft net ted matsumura writes in article c6eval 520 unix portal com claebaur shell portal com tony s annese writes you have one minimize the print manager and drag a file to it and it will print it you need to associate file extensions with such things as the notepad for it to do this though this may work but wont it involve invoking the applications e g if you drag a bmp or txt file to the min print manager icon wont it run notepad and paintbrush before printing if you just want to drag a file txt or bmp to a print server icon with stay at front attributes you need an intelligent print manager drag and drop client like amish print 2 0 yes it invokes the associated application that takes but 10 seconds tony annese claebaur shell portal com or claebaur cup portal com windows re ami pro 3 0 and equation mode nagel ucsu colorado edu kurt nagel writes hi im having a problem with amipro when writing equations if the equation extends past a certain point on a line the whole thing disappears if i then try to delete the equation or cursor beyond the equation ami goes nuts the line counter at the bottom of the screen increments repeatedly and the only way out is to ctrl atl del if i have been unfortunate enough to save a document with one of these screwed up equations the document is basically trashed although i have been able to fix them by going into an ascii editor and deleteing large chunks of the document has anyone else experienced this does lotus know about it and or have a patch thanks in advance kurt nagel fido colorado edu i contacted lotus about this problem today it has been reported previously and there is a fix apparantly the problem only occurs when tab characters are used immediately preceding the equation frame the work around when equations are expected to touch the right margin is to delete at least one preceding tab and use space to align the frame or use set frame where placed w no text wrap around unforutnately once the page run on has occured you are hosed so the moral of the story is use only space characters to align equation frames hope this helps the rest of you who have already contacted me with this problem kurt nagel fido colorado edu guns re what to do if you shoot somebody in article 93108 025818u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes say youre in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody you give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them my question is what do you do should you stay and wait for the cops or should you collect your brass if youre using a semi auto and get out of there provided of course you dont think that you have been seen for me it would be an obvious choice armed self defence is clearly and strongly protected by the colorado constitution and the laws of the state in the very clear cut situation of your hypothetical i wouldnt have anything to fear from the police unless i had been publicly carrying the weapon concealed something im not in the habit of doing even then the worst id have to deal with was a class 2 misdemeanor even if the situation were not so clear and i might have to worry about arrest for manslaughter or homicide it would still be safer to wait for the police if i were to leave and try to avoid police involvement id be committing several felonies and ruining my chances of claiming self defence in court if it really was self defence the prosecuter would ask why did you run away and hide from the police in other states however this decision might not be so clear cut if someone in say washington d c were to use a gun in self defence he would automatically be guilty of several felony violations of that citys gun control laws such a persons choices would be between certain conviction for a couple of felonies versus possible conviction for half a dozen frank crary cu boulder baseball re juggling dodgers in article 1r22coinnhg1 gap caltech edu jeff smoggy gg caltech edu jeff goldsmith writes in mssc5qh3y l1p netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes if this is true note that i dont think it is lasorda should be fired for at least two reasons 1 publicly humiliating his players 2 knuckling under to his players wishes i did not write that in fact those statements were a rebuttal to an earlier posting that i made and this was culled from my strong rebuttal to those statements please slander shame there is a fine line between getting players input and knuckling under to players demands a manager much like a military officer needs to have his her players complete obedience and respect during a game after the game its no big deal but when there is no time to do more than react players must trust the manager or the team often falls apart see boston red sox ff after the game its no big deal after the employees leave the workplace it doesnt matter what they say about the boss or the company puhlease strawberrys demeanor as represented by the media often sounds like demands i suspect that a comment like i enjoy hitting fourth im used to it would get pretty brutally misinterpreted by the media if it came from strawberry russ porter quoted strawberry as saying i feel more comfortable hitting cleanup and i think i perform best in that role paraphrased by my memory and bias that seems like a fairly non petulant answer to what was almost certainly a question like how do you feel about being moved to the third spot in the order first its ross porter second i am really tired of seeing the kind of response that indicates that all i do is parrot what some media person says or writes i have a brain if i choose to characterize something in a certain fashion its because that is what i believe to be accurate it is not just because some unnamed mediot made the characterization a more media sensitive player might answer the manager knows what he is doing if he thinks that batting me third will help the team then i am all for it wed ignore that answer as brown stuff so it seems a little bit of an overreaction to brand darryls response as petulant i did not brand darryls response as petulant because i never heard any response from darryl i did call him a name i referred to him as a primadonna someone else concluded that i did that because i hate him i dont hate him i think hes a primadonna if you disagree fine but stop putting words in my mouth the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article c5rynw iz8 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes and i suppose the fbi also prevented them from coming out with their hands up while national tv cameras watch watch from where two miles away far enough away that whatever really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of a humiliated agency that said quote enough is enough scenario that is simplest and most plausible i do not generally believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely scenarios the fbi sent letters to martin luther kings wife insinuating that mlk was having an affair again please tell us exactly how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government the batf is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair but to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is ludicrous i suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to risk small arms fire to get some good footage these people were told to get the hell out of camera range why drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho when you outlaw rights only outlaws will have rights spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrection nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia mi5 mi6 kgb deuterium medicine psoriatic arthritis info needed please a friend of mine has been diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis as a result of trauma sustained in a car accident several years ago the psoriasis is under control but the arthritis part of the illness is not ansaid non steroidal anti inflammatory worked pretty well for three years but isnt helping much now my friend is now taking meclomen another nsaid but this isnt helping control the pain at all in the past two months my friend has also started taking azulfadine along with the nsaid medicines but the effects of the combined drugs arent supposed to be realized for several months as a result of the pain my friend is having problems sleeping staying in one position too long is an ordeal another major contributor to pain is that tendonitis has now developed left thumb and hand with numbness at the base of the palm bottom of feet shoulders and outer thighs the tendonitis is quite painful yet my friends doctor has not recommended any form of treatment to relieve it the latest twist is that the doctor has dropped the anti inflammatories and is now recommending prednisone the hope is that the prednisone will relieve some of the pain from the tendonitis my friend is a 41 year old male who feels like hes 80 his words not mine if anyone is aware of any new treatments for psoriatic arthritis alternative courses of action support groups or literature on it i would be extremely grateful if you could e mail to me if anyone is interested ill post a summary to this newsgroup thanks in advance donna dmp fig citib com windows re windows 3 1 slower using dos 6 not on my system frank calloway cars re best radar detector valentine 1 from article 1993apr21 190251 14371 sequent com by troy sequent com troy wecker earlier i commented on the valentine 1 and jimf centerline com replied about the value of the units bogey counter i didnt really go into why i called this feature a gimmick so here is more explanation thanks jim for the good comments and opinion from what i understand the valentine 1 can only tell if these microwaves are coming from the front rear or both there are only two antennas if they are coming from both this in interpreted as a side bogey bogey counts are determined as sources by their relative strength to one another even if they are reflections of the same source it sounds like your analysis is based on hypothesis and not actually using the valentine 1 id like to give some feedback based on real life experince i keep the valentine 1 in advanced logic mode and it rarely lights up as a christmas tree the only time it does is when i am in the middle of a major shopping area and then it makes sense that is does since there are 8 sources coming from many different directions i have found the valentine 1 to be consistent in its reporting of bogeys regardless of any moving cars in the area i have found the directional indication to be very useful in one case there was two radar traps set up within one mile of each other as i passed the first radar trap the direction indication changed then the detector was set off again pointing in the forward direction with other radar detectors i would have assumed that this was due to a reflection but with the valentine 1 i knew there was a high probability that there was another trap and there was on other occasions the directional helped discern a false alarm from a true alarm for example as i pass a source the direction indicator changes the directional also allows me to focus my attention as to where the signal might be coming from instead of having to look all over the place when a car is approaching me from the rear with a detector that leaks i can tell that the signal is coming from the rear and as the car passes me i can verify the source with other detectors i would have been unable to do this and would have had to assume that there was a radar trap when there was none ive had the valentine 1 for several months now and find its added features to be useful and not gimmicks barry barry frishberg blf apollo ch hp com chelmsford uk expert center 508 tn 436 4319 chelmsford ma windows workgroups for windows hello i want a little network for 3 users all users want to run windows the most important things i want for the network are file sharing mail utility two printers on one of the computers and a fax modem card on one of the computers we all want to use each others harddisk my idea was to buy three computers one 486dx and two 386dx all three have a 40mb local harddisk the 486 also has a very large harddisk all three also have a network card the 486 is connected to the printers and contains the fax modem card and last but not least workgroups for windows my questions is this possible what exactly are the possibilities and advantages of workgroups for windows will all the computers be fast enough behind all three someone is working thanks martijn baseball re jewish baseball players in article c5jsxs 1m0 unix amherst edu jlroffma unix amherst edu joshua lawrence roffman writes baseball players past and present we werent able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help john lowenstein is definately not jewish many in baltimore thought he was especially after he told the baltimore jewish times so but later he admitted that it was a joke stanky is not jewish at least i doubt it a lot of jewish people dont have jewish names cars re automotive crash test performance and maintenance stats i wrote is there a resource available to the consumer comparing all of the makes and models of automobiles trucks vans etc for survivability in a crash of different severities also ive found very little objective data comparing different vehicles for handling pick up braking expected maintenance etc i recall years ago consumer reports annual buyers guide was much more informative in those aspects than it is now thanks to a reply from someone i looked a little further and found what i was looking for the april cr magazine has most of the above things despite recent articles here the ratings looked pretty good for relative comparison purposes unfortunately the crash test comparisons didnt include half of the cars im comparing anybody know how 93 honda civic hatchbacks and toyota tercels fare in an accident boyd johnson nosc spectra com johnson san diego california intermittent newsfeed at best and only to selected groups my opinions certainly dont match those of my employer religion re cannibalism was albert sabin in article zxmkr08 733955549 studserv zxmkr08 studserv zdv uni tuebingen de c ornelius krasel writes in f1q4yuc quack kfu com pharvey quack kfu com paul harvey writes in article 1pk2d0 7q1 access digex net huston access digex com herb huston writes in article f1n 0ep quack kfu com pharvey quack kfu com paul harvey writes do you have any examples of ritual cannibalism particulary amongst the primates why the ritual qualifier i was thinking of instances were a particular food or foods or drinks are used to symbolize or ritualize cannibalism do you know of any human cultures that have this type of mythology for example where one might eat a food as representative of the body of a god thus ritualized cannibalism in the absence of the original i know of ritual cannibalism among tribes in papua neuguinea they used to eat the brain of killed opponents sometimes these brains contained infectious agents which lead to a disease called kuru since cannibalism was banished by the government the number of kuru cases has dropped sharply oh yeah well i know of anyways cannibalism is much more commmon than those who feel that it is wrong and then point out that the fact that western civilisation doesnt do it is proof positive that we are more advanced would have us believe cannibalism is often used in funeral ceremonies as a way of keeping the deceased loved one alive many other cultures including many american indian cultures eat ate the flesh of slain enemies often as a way of showing respect for the valor of the departed hearts are often favored for this as it contains the spirit have you ever read or seen alive which is the story of the argentinian boys soccer team that crashed in the andes and then ate the bodies of those who died in order to survive finger lickin good how about the twighlight zone episode to serve man if you want more info on this a good place to start is on sci anthropology now send me 20 and eat my flesh dan lovall physics purdue edu baseball re braves pitching updatedir in article 8994 blue cis pitt edu traven pitt edu neal traven writes one of the chapters in palmer and thorns hidden game is titled pitching is 44 of baseball implying that fielding is 6 how do they determine that beats me its been a long long time since i read it this was my opinion the stupidest thing in the hidden game the argument was 1 defense or runs allowed is 50 of the game 2 unearned runs amount to 12 of the runs allowed earned runs 88 3 since unearned runs are the result of fielding not pitching and earned runs are the product of pitching not fielding fielding is 12 of defense and pitching is 88 of defense 4 caombining with 1 pitching is 44 of the game fielding 6 pete is usually sharper than that my own feel is that fielding is in the 25 33 of defense range call it 30 70 between fielding and pitching one also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning with the split probably somewhere around 49 5 and 0 5 id give baserunning a little more credit than that maybe 45 5 or even 40 10 give a team of roberto alomar and a team of john oleruds identical batting stats which wouldnt be that unreasonable and even if you dont let roberto steal a single base theyll score a lot more than the oleruds by going first to third more often no offense gordon clay d religion re did he really rise i must correct the following in my previous posting if you are trying to be objective you must also recognise that 1 the gospels are not independent sources on the contrary they share much of the same material i should have been a bit more careful here the gospels not only tell us about the same events they usually use the same wordings textual analyses show that matthew and luke probably had a common source which may have influenced mark too petri petri pihko kem pmp mathematics is the truth pihatie 15 c finou oulu fi physics is the rule of sf 90650 oulu kempmp the game finland phoenix oulu fi chemistry is the game medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1993apr26 174538 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes oxygen just like it does in the vagina as much stuff as there is in the lay press about l acidophilus and vaginal yeast infections im really amazed that someone has not done a clinical trial yet to check it out ive mentioned this study a couple of times now ingestion of yogurt containing lactobacillus acidophilus as prophylaxis for candidal vaginitis annals of internal medicine 3 1 92 116 5 353 7 do you have a problem with the study because they used yogurt rather than capsules of lactobacillus even though it had positive results the study was a crossover trial of daily ingestion of 8 ounces of yogurt there was a marked decrease in infections while women were ingesting the yogurt problems with the study included very small numbers 33 patients enrolled and many protocol violations only 21 patients were analyzed still the difference in rates of infection between the two groups was so large that the study remains fairly believable david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1qvjh9innh4l hp col col hp com dduff col hp com dave duff writes nut case panics jumps the gun on the net before getting facts straight i really dont understand all this i watched on satellite network feeds as perhaps 90 people died before my eyes while the two hueys fanned the flames and the fbi stopped the firetrucks at the gate something was very wrong with that scene perhaps if id watched rambo movies i mightve been dulled to the pain of fellow humans dying thank god i still feel im very sorry for you who dont for you who think they got what they deserved can you really believe that even if koresh was the sadistic mad man they said he was did the others deserve his fate if in fact he was mad wasnt that even more reason to believe he duped his followers and therefore they were innocent brainwashed victims is there any scenaro that justifies all that death and if not it is clear that the deaths would not have occured if the batf has not fucked up initially and now the fbi got impaitent and pushed korech over the edge and thats if you buy the latest version of the story hook line and sinker i have believed all along that they could not let them live the embarrassment to the batf and the fbi wouldve been too severe remember this was a suspicion of tax evasion warrant there were no witnesses except the fbi all information filtered through the fbi all they had to do was allow one remote controlled pool camera be installed near the building and the press couldve done their job and wouldve been able to back the fbis story with close up video while incurring no risk to the press unless they did not want the public to see something the complete lack of any other source of information other than the fbi really causes me concern sick to my stomach and getting sicker from all the government apologists jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 religion 23 apr 93 gods promise in matthew 3 11 i baptize you with water for repentance but after me will come one who is more powerful than i whose sandals i am not fit to carry he will baptize you with the holy spirit and with fire matthew 3 11 niv windows postscript file viewer a co worker of mine needs to convert a postscript file to a form readable ie ascii in windows or dos does anybody know of a utility that will do this i have a vague memory of a shareware utility someone mentioned once thanks for any info barry guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1ra073inncgu clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes i tend to agree but i would like a better explanation of why the fbi stopped the firetrucks at the gate i saw this in realtime it concerns me that the fbi appeared to not be too interested in stopping the fire after it started and actually started flying hueys around the compound which had to add in some small part to the winds driving the fire jim i understand fire trucks had been at the site for several weeks but were sent home three or four days before the assault can anyone confirm this joe gaut in the super state it really does not f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu matter at all what actually happened remember the alamo truth is what the government chooses to remember waco tell you justice is what it wants to happen jim garrison new orleans la baseball three homer games and padres notes to all those out there wondering about who holds the record for three homer games ina career the answer is johnny mize in his career with the cards and the yanks he hit three 6 times i am almost sure about this in case anyone is wondering the record for two homer games is held by babe ruth and is 72 mizes record may not last for much longer because of juan gonzalez he has at least three games with three and maybe 4 i know that he had at least two last year and one as a rookie i dont have any record books at college for me to check on though please let me know okay if i am wrong onto the padres is there anyone out there who follows them especial ly those with access to local news i dont here anything in los angeles and i cant get mcpaper consistently around here comment it looks as though san diego has gotten the better of the two deals that brought bell and plantier to the padres it has also forced the team to use darrell shermann of course plantier could get injured again or he could hit with the power of 91 but with a lower average bell always could finish with 240 and 15 18 hrs essentially jerald clarks numbers leadoff comment craig shipley i get on base 29 of the time if im lucky at leadoff hell of the usual starters use gwynn hes got 4 steals already is shipley starting because of an injury to stillwell though i havent seen stillwells name in any box scores anyway unless you are going to use shermann at leadoff then use gwynn he at lesat gets on base and this year is stealing bases sheffield comment though the season is early and stats mean nothing witness phillips batting 500 currently but does sheffield have an injury or anythingelse wrong with him i just dont hear anything andy benes is he pitching like he did in the second half of 91 or is this a flash of promise that he throws out evrey now and then has anyone seen him pitch the two good games score for today sunday april 18 padres 10 st louis 6 padres sweep the cardinals as gwynn goes 5 for 5 with a homer sheffield and tueful also homer in a winning cause thanks for listening reading any comments kelly keach kkeach pomona claremont edu medicine food related seizures sp from paulson tab00 larc nasa gov sharon paulson sp to describe here i have a fourteen year old daugter who experienced sp a seizure on november 3 1992 at 6 45am after eating kellogs frosted sp flakes sp well we were going along fine and the other morning april 5 she had sp a bowl of another kellogs frosted kind of cereal fruit loops i am sp when i mentioned what she ate the first time as a possible reason for sp the seizure the neurologist basically negated that as an idea now sp after this second episode so similar in nature to the first even sp he is scratching his head theres no data that sugar coated cereals cause seizures i havent even seen anything anecdotal on it given how common they are eaten do you know any child or adolescent who doesnt eat the stuff i think that if there were a relationship we would know it by now also theres nothing weird in those cereals as far as the brain is concerned except for a few infantile metabolic disorders such as galactosemia sugar is sugar regardless if it is coated on cereal sprinkled onto cereal or dissolved in soda coffee or whatever there was some interest a few years ago in aspartame lowering seizure thresholds but i dont believe anything ever came of it slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein baseball re apology for article in article c5w7zo 5xl eskimo com steven thornton writes in article 1993apr21 130659 1 tesla njit edu drm6640 tesla njit edu writes just watch me mattingly is a below average fielder before you start up yes i have proof there are really only two adequate ways to measure fielding prowess the first which has the advantage of being applicable to older players since it uses raw data available for almost all of mlb history is the total chances per game method favored by the total baseball people among others it basically says that you measure a fielder by how many balls he gets to but it is subject to all kinds of bias and is almost completely useless for first basemen from the raw stats there is no way to tell which of a first basemans putouts were made on throws from other fielders and which were made on his own plays likewise you cant tell whether a double play was 6 4 3 or 3 6 3 fielding runs thus gives a first baseman no credit for putouts or double plays only for assists and errors it thus favors first basemen who play deep reaching a lot of balls but forcing the pitcher to cover first more frequently it also hurts first baseman who play behind left handed pitching staffs and thus face few left handed batters a better method but newer and based ondata that has only been collected over the last few years measures the percentage of balls hit into the part of the field the guy is responsible for this is better of course it still isnt all of a first basemans defense some references mattinglys 1992 defensive rating stats method from mike gimbels baseball player and team ratings 1 defensive average which uses larger and probably better zones has mattingly tied for second in the league on the other hand he has contributed 233 runs by his batting actions a pretty healthy number while 233 batting runs is good it is mostly in the past the runs he produced in 1986 dont say much about his value in 1993 david grabiner grabiner zariski harvard edu we are sorry but the number you have dialed is imaginary please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again disclaimer i speak for no one and no one speaks for me cars re plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences i dont know if some lemons are out there but from personal experience my brothers has been trouble free not one single repair only regular maintainance the only work he had done on it was a result of his stupidity he stopped suddenly in the middle of a left turn on a busy intersection and was rear ended he has a 1989 plymouth sundance i would recomend it but i would also like to say that if you can wait about six months chryco is coming out with a new car called the neon that is built in the same way as the lhs where good luck with your desiscion religion re whos next mormons and jews in article 2855 tredysvr tredydev unisys com tom tredysvr tredydev unisys com tom albrecht writes in article 1993apr20 220340 2585 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee writes armed to the teeth a christian should not have to rely on physical weapons to defend himself a christian should rely on his faith and intelligence faith and intelligence tell me that when a druggie breaks into my house at night with a knife to kill me for the 2 in my wallet a 357 is considerably more persuasive than having devotions with him tom albrecht give him the 2 leave the house and call the police thats what i would do i will not kill to protect mere possessions peace be with you malcolm lee windows re yowza sloooowwww printing from dos i also had a simular problem with by nec p7 it went away when i turned on the print directly to parallel port option in the printer setup apallette mencsh tract und gott lacht yaturner netcom com medicine re help reflux esophagitis please post your results a close friend has this condition and has asked these same questions windows re protection fault in thia 735836016 mira sce carleton ca thia sce carleton ca yong thia writes hi i was wondering if anyone out there could help me i have an error message that goes what does it mean i am running ms windows 3 1 ummm i think you left the message out i get these protection faults all the time on my machine at work a 486 33mhz with 4mb ram windows 3 1 with dos 5 0 at home on a 386 40mhz 8mb ram windows 3 1 and dos 5 0 i never get these any idea what could be wrong someone already suggested i check for tmp files in the windows temp directory there are none there the message i get is this application has violated system integrity due to an invalid general protection fault and will be terminated i only have this problem with applications running in dos boxes with or without pif files setup for them any hints help greatly appreciated please post since at least one other person is also having gpf problems thanks gordon gordon edwards n4vph nothing unreal exists ncr engineering manufacturing gedwards ncratl atlantaga ncr com kiri kin thas first law of metaphysics guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 1r5rnn rdt usenet ins cwru edu bu008 cleveland freenet edu brandon d ray writes in a previous article nomad ecst csuchico edu michael larish says in article 1r00ug d60 btr btr com michaelh public btr com michael hahn michaelh btr com writes a partial list of excellent socialist visionaries and the tolls theyve taken of unpopular religious ethnic social groups mao tse tung millions killed j stalin millions killed a hitler millions killed pol pot 100 000s killed w j clinton 100 killed but relax hes only had a hundred or so days you people are rather amusing in a perverse sort of way you take a tragic unpleasant situation that you feel is a terrible injustace and assign blame to anybody and everybody with or without a link to the incident simply because they dont fit your extremely narrow definition of good how is clinton responsible it was a law enforcement action granted it was a nationally covered incident but clinton had no more to do with the outcome than fred flintstone perhaps youve been under a rock the last few days the batf and the fbi are both federal agencies clinton has admitted in front of news cameras that janet reno the once and future attorney general gave him a full briefing of what was planned before they did it and he gave her the go ahead maybe just possibly that makes him a teensy bit responsible the fbi cia batf etc are federal agencies you are correct but to think there is a visible and clear chain of command up to the prez and that these agencies inform reno who informs clinton etc is naive these agencies operate as distinct and seperate entities and while they have ultimate accountability to the prez they make their own moves and then tell the prez who says i knew all along while this may not seem right or it may not fit our idealistic need to see a structured chain of command leading to the white house thats the way it is bureaucracys are not after all composed of 3 or 4 people who talk on a regular basis have lunch and maybe golf together i do agree the fbi batf messed up im not sure if they should have stormed the compound or not by the way jehova witnesses are a religious minority in this country protestantism is a minority religion in the world bds were a cult by all definitions and history of cults to say this is not to persecute a religious or ethnic enclave koresh said he was the messiah i was raised a baptist although i do not practice the religion and do not think that the big guy upstairs is digging the divisiveness closemindedness and right wing morons that are associated with the religion anyway the messiah that i was taught about would not be carrying a gun let alone stockpiling weapons you can doubt batf reports all you want david koresh was not a poor soul who was unjustly persecuted while some of the information coming from the u s government is being exagerated so as keep public opinion on their side i do believe that some of the things that former cult members have said are true anyway this is just another excuse to try and blame president clinton for something people who attempt to do this for political motives should be ashamed they are the ones who are keeping this country from reaching its full potential guns re change of name what does this censored from norway think hes doing telling us how to run the place i wanna know somebody please splain guess how norway survived the third reich give you a hint it wasnt by passive resistance the way the danes did it i believe it had something to do with a politician whose name isnt exactly the most complimentary word nowadays one vidkun quisling we all know what a quisling is right im sure everyone can come up with a few examples right about now steve guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu bill green writes just to shed some light on the fire it was widely reported ap etc that there were several witnesses to bd folks starting the fires it has also been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once which rules out a bradley knocking over a lamp etc as the cause what i would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident i believe the moves made were right and proper but i still have some problems with some of the tactics after watching the abc special on it tonight as well as cnn and nightline i question some of the atf and fbi actions 1 could it have been possible to have taken koresh outside the compound at some time before the feb 28th raid i think it was he went into town fairly often and was known to go jogging this was even during the 9 month period when he was being watched one wonders why the batf went ahead when they had been warned according to an interview with a batf agent that the bd were expecting them and why they had the media in tow almost looks like they wanted to have a romp and a nice show for the media and it all went to hell he was also never known to act violently he has always surrendered peacefully before but of course the warrants were served peacefully he has been tried on the allegations before and found not guilty the justification for this mess was he was alleged to have purchased 200 000 00 worth of guns and stuff over an undetermined time period last i heard this is not a crime or indication of one i know of an individual with that much value in guns should he get a fly thru the door shoot first talk later raid grenades are shooting first nobody i know of can say oh thats only a stun grenade thats ok can you i sure cannot also one cannot be sure that 200k figure is not calculated like the feds calculate the value of a drug siezure even so it is a so what issue he wasnt bothering anyone besides the batf who doesnt like folks other than themselves or other govt people having any effective guns and having an unapproved religeous group are we required to not offend the batf these days i sure hope it hasnt come to that my point is it does not add up we need an independent investigation and now assuming other than fbi batf are preserving the evidence 2 could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome they had the premisis bugged i am inclined to think a further wait would have saved lives one wonders why they didnt have emergency gear on hand when they moved and why they didnt turn on the water when a fire was observed instead of saying aw gee there is no water why so long before the fire gear even showed up like after the building had pretty much finished burning fireman safety isnt that a decision the firefighters should be allowed to make no water why didnt the feds turn it back on they sure could cut it off quickly enough one does wonder about the possibility of settling scores 3 were fbi actions blaring loudspeakers etc the right course of action and a few other questions like i said i believe the actions taken in general were proper but i still have some reservations one other point im no fan of janet reno but i do like the way she had the balls to go ahead and take full responsibility seems like the waffle boy had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue what does taking responsibility mean you think she is going to be facing jail time if the acts were found to be criminal you think she is going to face any repercussions if the fbi batf are found to have acted wrongly i dont it is a nice pr gimmick though i am not assured there will even be a serious independent investigation for possible wrongdoing or criminal acts on the part of the batf or fbi i expect to hear they are our best law enforcement they wouldnt do anything like that no way out of the question end of issue i want to see an independent investigation with full prosecuting and subpoena powers with felony prosecution where felony acts are found fat chance i bet i bet the justice dept will have an internal investigation which will turn up at most poor judgement i hope i am wrong that this is gone over with a fine tooth comb pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 pat myrto seattle wa if all else fails try uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former albert einstien windows is ms windows a mature os hi have you used mac system 6 x or 7 x if the answer is positive you would know if ms windows is a mature os days ago people doubted that ms windows is not a real os i can see why they have such question ms windows confuses many people microsoft simulated mac but it did a lousy job for example 1 you can not create hierarchy groups there is no way to create a group in a group if you know how please tell me 2 too many system parameters to take care of 3 uncomplete documentation its not easy to find the reason why causes an unpredictable error 4 group deleting file deleting after deleting a group users have to use file manager to delete files but if users forget to delete some related files the disk will be full of nonsense files 5 share problem once you create two windows doing compilation and editing in some language w o good editor there will be a sharing problem you just can not open or save the program if it is loaded it makes sense to prevent from saving but not opening microsoft try to compromise between dos and windows but they just make ms windows a graphical dos with capacity doing mutiple dos jobs the worst thing is they complicate the environment the orginal purpose of ms windows should be to simplify the environment and make pc easier to use its by no means easy to satisfy everybody but if microsoft want to keep their reputations they should evaluate the user interface more carefully before products distribute no flame please jesse e mail cyen cs unt edu ic43 sol acs unt edu windows epson stylus 800 does anyone have any information or better first hand experience of the new epson bubblejet printer stylus 800 im particularly interested in hearing how well it works under windows i presume that a special printer driver is required is it supplied as standard is it able to print everything that a standard postscript laserprinter could many thanks for any replies george george bolt dept of psychology univ of york uk cars re geeko waz geico annoyance in article c5w7gf m5o noose ecn purdue edu rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu robert j wade writes if you want to annoy geico call them up give fake name but real car specs get a quote and then tell them they are more expensive than your current state farm allstate insurance they will still send you quote etc then you can tear up their quote and stuff it in the prepaid return envelope and mail it back to them actually they were 12 more than my current state farm rates actually ive had a bad habit of stuffing a whole bunch of other garbage junk mail in along with whatever else into anybodys prepaid envelopes until they almost burst i believe they pay postage by weight heh heh heh anyways dont tear up the quotes just yet i sometimes use their quotes or other insurance quotations as leverage to haggle for a lower rate elsewhere usually it works to your advantage if they are lower aaron guns re so much for infinite patience in article 1993apr19 225700 3976 jupiter sun csd unb ca j979 jupiter sun csd unb ca fuller m writes so much for infinite patience i find it hard to swallow that prolonged exposure to massive amounts of and they said that the bomb dropped on move wouldnt start a fire either the real kicker though is the stated justification for the governments sudden loss of patience they wouldnt be able to rotate their teams this outcome could be foreseen a mile or two away but reno didnt even malcolm fuller surveying engineering university of new brunswick the really good part at this point were not negotiating fbi spokesman bob ricks said at a news briefing about a half hour before the fire began were saying come out come out with your hands up this matter is over criminal so much for billary saying we wont force the issue anybody have the wh information number figure ol bill could use a lesson from the rotc he scorned you are responsible for all that your unit troops do or fail to do want to ask him how he enjoys being responsible for violating the constitutional rights of a group resulting in the deaths of over a hundred of them plus four federal agents james james s cochrane when in danger or in doubt run in this space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles scream and shout for rent baseball re bosox win again 5 2 against seattle in article jxu 735398917 black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu dark wing duck writes last night boston red sox win its 11 games of 14 games by beating seattle 5 2 roger clemson pitch not so dominate he walked at least 6 man in first 6 inns but valetin and greenwell hit homeruns and red sox prevail clemens struggled with his control but was also the beneficiary of some pretty shoddy umpiring but to be fair most of the walks were early in the game and he adjusted he was also helped by dare i say it some pretty good defense by the sox including rivera playing at second not his normal position actually clemens is pretty lucky that he got the win considering the sox almost gave up the lead in the bottom of the 7th on mos error catching a throw over i think that game is must win for red sox in seattle considering darwin will faced seattle ace randy johnson tonight must win in april theyve already won 4 more games so far than anyone thought they would at this point of the season i hope people arent getting too caught up in this streak its been fun but teams have 11 3 streaks all the time and it is only when they are at the start of the season that they get so much attention charles religion re language and agreement m23364 mwunix mitre org james meritt writes mr meritt please state explicitly the inductive argument which leads you to conclude mr tice thinks it ok to take biblical quotes out of context in some other t r m articles also please explain why you rely on inductive reasoning with its implicit uncertainty in determining mr tices opinions when the man is himself clearly available for questioning finally please indicate whether you agree yes or no with the following statement the word agree and the phrase not disagree are identical in meaning medicine re pregnency without sex all right listen up what are the possibilities of transmission through swimming pool water especially if the chlorination isnt up to par ive heard of community swimming pools refered to as public urinals so what else is going on medicine how to gain access to whomever who can help me i am a doctor from kota bharu kelantan malaysia i have recently hooked up my private home computer to email via the local telephone company i am really interested in corresponding with other doctors or medical researchers through email i also hope to be able to subscribe to a news network on medicine can someone please tell me what i should do i am completely new to this and have no idea about the vast capabilities of email thank you for your attention windows recommendation for screen capture program im looking for some recommendations for screen capture programs a couple of issues ago pc mag listed as editors choices both conversion artist and hijaak for windows anyone have any experience with those or some others im trying to get an alpha manual in the next few days and im not making much progress with the screen shots im currently using dodot and im about to burn it and the disks it rode it on its got a lot of freaky bugs and oversights that are driving me crazy tonight it decided that for any graphic it writes out as a tiff file thats under a certain arbitrary size it will swap the left and right sides of the picture usually it confines itself to not copying things to the clipboard so i have to save and load pix for editing in paintbrush or crashing every hour or so the one nice thing it has though is its dither option youd think that this would turn colors into dots which it does if you go from say 256 colors to 16 colors but if you go from 256 or 16 colors to b w you can set a threshold level for which colors turn to black and which turn to white for me this is useful because i can turn light grays on buttons to white and the dark grays to black and thereby preserve the 3d effect on buttons and other parts of the window if you understood my description can you tell me if another less buggy program can do this as well much thanks for any help signature david delgreco what lies behind us and what lies technically a writer before us are tiny matters compared delgreco rahul net to what lies within us oliver wendell holmes david f delgreco delgreco rahul net religion re the bad press islam has recieved in article buddha 735157446 du248 07 cc iastate edu buddha iastate edu scott h vann writes i recently read an article in a local paper written by an islamic person who was upset with the way islam has been portrayed by western media when a terrorist action takes place in the middle east it is always played up as an islamic terrorist however when the a serbian terrorist attacks the croations its not a christian terrorist its just a terrorist i have often tried to explain this to some close friends who believe the press that islam is somehow tied to violence often times you hear things like they just dont value human life like we do and so on i was wondering if anyone out there had any suggestions for how we can change this image or how i can help my friends to see that this is just hype i would appreciate any serious suggestions or comments via e mail and im not interested in hearing about how right the press is very easily show them pictures of crime scenes perpetrated by christian terrorists in this country if that doesnt convince them have them talk to the victims of christian terrorism a brutal act of terrorism inspired by christian propoganda was recently commited on your very campus its very simple religious extremists of all religions put no value on human life christian and islamic fundamentalists put advancing there religion above all else even if doing so violates the religion itself p s im not saying all christians are terrorists im using christian terrorist in the same way the media uses islamic terrorist join the pythagorean reform church repent of your evil irrational numbers and bean eating ways accept 10 into your heart call the pythagorean reform church bbs at 508 793 9568 windows help with changing startup logo i know this is probably a faq but i installed the s w for my ati graphics card and it bashed my windows logo files when i start windows now it has the 3 0 logo instead of the 3 1 logo i thought the files that controlled this were windows system vgalogo rle windows system vgalogo lgo i restored these files but it didnt change the logo anyone know what the correct files are thanks farley access digex com charles u farley average iq of calgary board of ed employee 65 baseball re ryan out for 2 5 weeks and then cs1442aq news uta edu cs1442aq quoth nolan ryan has torn cartlidge inhis right knee is having surgery and is expected to miss 2 5 weeks thats too bad i really had hoped nolan could end his career with a great year i suppose there is still hope jason lee jplee oboe calpoly edu jlee cash busfac calpoly edu giants e i pi 1 0 the most beautiful equation in mathematics magic for all sad words of tongue and pen the saddest are these number it might have been john greenleaf whittier 155 cars 1st time chrysler buyer 400 off really hello world just bought a new stealth two weeks ago got a grad student rebate someone told me that theres another 400 reabet for 1st time chrysler buyer true if yes can i still get it or am i too late mubashir cheema sparco communications ph 601 323 5360 lagalarie fax 601 324 6433 500 russell street suite 20 email mac1 ra msstate edu starkville ms 39759 baseball re young catchers in article 7862 blue cis pitt edu genetic pitt edu david m tate writes mss netcom com mark singer said i meant that one should not let the exception make the rule its not an exception good players come up young most players who come up young will be good this has always been the rule are most players who come up young always good when theyre young or later worse its not a shift this is the way it has always been several detailed studies of this have been done and theyve all shown that players arent coming up any younger or older than in the past and they arent playing any more or less in the minors than they used to the only thing that shifts is our memories of the good old days damn i was afraid you would say that but all after the fact which makes it not applicable to the current discussion which is about how you decide whether to play the rookie who hasnt established himself in the majors over the mediocre veteran the padres played santiago that year because they clearly had nobody else worth playing well perhaps if the braves had no one else worth playing this year it would be lopez in there but they do have others worth playing at least in their opinion and i happen to agree both of these young men were highly touted defensive catchers expected to be among the best ever in baseball not by rec sport baseball consensus that may sound like an incredibly arrogant comment but ive found that the sdcn consensus when one exists is right far more often than the media consensus or the opinions of baseball people affiliated with mlb i can believe that im a newbie here so ill take your word but alomar is a fine defensive catcher which was my statement above that is a solid reason for bringing him up at a tender age as long as they feel he can also hit a bit lopez does not have such a consensus about his defensive prowess and imho that is enough to give him that dreaded seasoning i dont know who knows i suppose the same people or similar who know he will be better than some other catcher these are of course just differing opinions i read that his arm is not that strong i suppose somewhere there is some measurement of sb ratios and that he is still learning to call a game that latter skill may be difficult to project on someone without an intimate knowledge of his performance but it is a tangible skill i disagree in that i dont think it is a tangible skill any more than leadership is i dont deny that it is a real skill and that some catchers may be much better than others at it but i really dont see any way that we could ever know who they are nicholss law of catcher defense is eerily accurate far too often for me to take defensive assessments of catchers very seriously sorry new dont know nichols law dont believe in catchers era but i am interested in pitchers eras with different catchers any info on that absolutely the evidence is piling up year after year the only other alternative is that the braves really dont know that their young players are on average better than their current starters im not ruling out that kind of gross incompetence but i think the salary schedule explanation is more charitable in other words we know more than they do so the only logic behind a different decision than we would make must be financial i presume we feel this way about other franchises than atlanta no consider we know that the braves are about the strongest team in baseball right now even with olson and lemke and nixon and bream in the lineup they have as good a chance of repeating as champs this year as any team ever has it actually makes some sense to say rather than making our team marginally better this year by bringing up the young studs and dumping the elderly lets go ahead and compete this year with what we have and then bring up the studs only as we have to so that well still have them under reserve three years from now and beyond when the current team will be collecting pensions is it fair to the young players no does it make organizational sense i think it does well if it does make organizational sense one can hardly fault them for their decisions i mean please dont tell me how to run my business especially when im being successful c i could make it 107 or 108 wins if you let me bring up lopez s listen bobby id like to but the way i see it if he hits the big club this year well be paying mega arbitration bucks down the road in a couple of years and theres no way i want to do that and continues with we can win without him and then keep winning next year with him hows that im sure you could be right you could also be smoking some illegal substance hey thats a joke dont get offended please hey id love to be wrong about this if you think its unlikely id love to know why dont cite anybodys innate ethical rectitude though unless you know them personally well i cant cite anyones ethical rectitude because i dont know what it means but again if it makes organizational sense then so be it baseball is a business and if there is a solid business reason for keeping lopez on the farm then thats what the braves should do i happen to believe that its a baseball decision while you from your armchair may disagee i dont i think there is a lot of evidence to suggest the decision they made i predicted it among large guffaws from several at the start of spring training i think it is a very normal decision to have made it is certainly more reversible than to have started lopez in the bigs and have released one of their catchers sure it may be conservative it may also be logical i dont know what ethics have to do with it seems like pretty good common sense to me the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com baseball re old predictions to laugh at tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes from jpalmer uwovax uwo ca thu sep 12 10 35 58 1991 ron hassey will be a minor league manager with the yankees dunno what happened to him maybe i can help you hes a major league coach with the rockies so above prediction is doubly wrong my prediction the red sox cubs series and vikings broncos superbore will occur at the end of the world and one rockie will finish in the top 10 of an offensive catagory this year and no rockie starter will have an era below 3 50 and the rangers fade will not begin until august theyll give way to the angels but still challenge to the end really not making any of this up if i am may god strike me down zzzzzzt thanks for listening valentine dylan wilbanks environ con the official usenet rabid fan of the major u of colorado boulder colorado rockies clip this sig for po box 1143 boulder co 20 off on your next rockies woof 80306 1143 life is bigger this space intenionally blank cars vw passat advice sought i am currently in the car market and would like opinions on a vw passat glx how does it compare to a toyota camry i thought the car looked very solid stable and european only disappointment so far is that that it doesnt offer an airbao my next question is why isnt vw offering automobiles with airbags should i pay the extra three thousand for a bmw 318 is even though it is smaller and less powerful than than the passat medicine re seizures infantile spasms in article 1993apr20 184034 13779 dbased nuo dec com dufault lftfld enet dec com md writes the reason im posting this article to this newsgroup is to 1 gather any information about this disorder from anyone who might have recently been e ffected by it from being associated with it or actually having this disorder and 2 help me find out where i can access any medical literature associated with seizures over the internet i tried to e mail you but it bounced back please e mail me and i will give you someones name who might be very helpful you might also post your message to misc kids tamara sastls mvs sas com religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 in article bskendigc5i9yh icp netcom com bskendig netcom com brian kendig writes if you can explain to me why the death of jesus was a good thing then i would be very glad to hear it and you might even convert me be warned however that ive heard all the most common arguments before and they just dont convince me be warned it is not my job to convert you that is the job of the holy spirit and i frankly make a lousy one i am only here to testify your conversion is between you and god i am out of the loop if you decide to follow jesus of which i indeed would be estatic then all the glory be to god brian ceccarelli brian gamma1 lpl arizona edu cars re slick 50 any good mad9a fermi clas virginia edu michael a davis writes chances are that this has been discussed to death already and if so could someone who has kept the discussion mail me or direct me to an archive site basically i am just wondering if slick 50 really does all it says that it does and also is there any data to support the claim thanks for any info mike davis i dont have any written data but i know what i have experienced i use s 50 in everything including my lawnmowers in my car it smoothed the idle and reduced the operating temp by 5 degrees i havent used it long enough to test for wear but some people i know have a farmer that lives near by used to have to overhaul his big deisel tractors at least every other year if not every year since he has been using s 50 he has went 5 years without an overhaul also a friend at a machine shop has in the past rebuilt engines with 200k miles on them because the coustomer thought it was time these coustomers had ran s 50 since almost new it was found when measuring the internals of the engine that they showed only about the amount of wear that would be expected of 30k miles not 200k in my opinion it works beware the cat is on the prowel disclamer hey im a student a 1974 cat hungry as hell i dont need one detomaso pantera efi twin turbo david j doddek with liscence to fly it flies uofi pantera uxa cso uiuc edu guns re the pill for deer no hunting in article 1993apr14 182610 2330 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes the vast majority get through life without ever having to own use or display a firearm given society as we now experience it it seems safer to get rid of as many guns as possible considering that the uses include self defense hunting target shooting and collecting i dont buy the notion that the vast majority of people dont own use or display a firearm but lets say your contention is true whats the point of get ting rid of as many guns as possible if they werent being used anyway david olson dlo drutx att com well i did say well put it out and well put it out when we can but i dont know what we can put out or when we can put it out george stephanopolous guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news j spencer j m spencer newcastle ac uk wrote manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes jim de arras jmd cube handheld com wrote last year the us suffered almost 10 000 wrongful or accidental deaths by handguns alone fbi statistics in the same year the uk suffered 35 such deaths scotland yard statistics the population of the uk is about 1 5 that of the us 10 000 35 5 weighted for population the us has 57x as many handgun related deaths as the uk and no the brits dont make up for this by murdering 57x as many people with baseball bats snip if you examine the figures they do stabbing is favourite closely followed by striking punching kicking many more people are burnt to death in britain as are shot to death take at look and youll see for yourself it means that very few people are shot to death in great britain stephen manes manes magpie linknet com manes and associates new york ny usa o o guns re wi and il firearms law questions question 2 as i understand it in evanston il they have a ordinance banning handguns is there any way to get around this provision why dont you call the city and ask oak park also has an illegal handgun ban as well but does allow those with a collectors ffl to possess collectible handguns what would the penalty if you were found out be probably a fine in practical terms what if you used said handgun in a defensive shooting in your apartment there how would the city law apply to your impending trial for the shooting it wouldnt impede your defense at all there was an actual incident in oak park where a gas station owner engaged in a shootout with a handgun the grand jury decided not to presecute on the other hand a black man used an illegally owned handgun in oak park to defend himself and the village tried to make an example out of him an nra director who lived there made a stink about this and it was decided not to charge the guy of course pissing off anti gun police thugs has its own drawbacks like when the oak park police chief came to his house and told him this is stepping over the line this could get dangerous for you whereupon the few black oak park police officers watched over his house to ensure that the white anti gun police chief and his anti gun cronies wouldnt f ck with him his home or family also what is il state law concerning short barreled weapons short barreled shotgun is what i would be interested in if a handgun were not available either that or a shortened 9mm carbine ie colt marlin l v cipriani states that the any other weapon category is allowed but the exact relationship between an ithaca auto burgular which i believe is in the any other weapon category and a chopped barrel h k hk 94 class 3 for sure is not clear to me one more thing what is the chance of getting a ccw permit in il without being rich or famous or related to the mayor in your dreams buddy as long as democrats reign in chicago illinois residents will always be disarmed and helpless in the streets politicians get around this by provisions in the law that allow them to carry concealed weapons voters in chicago are too stupid to vote these a holes out of office because the dems are always in power the illinois supreme court is always tilted to the democratic partys views on guns all candidates supported by political consultant david axelrod are anti gun which explains anti rkba crook county states attorney jack ass omalley being a so called republican get rid of the chicago democrats get rid of their members on the il judiciary and you got a fighting chance of a preemption law and a ccw law baseball proposed catcher re sub rule a lot of teams carry 3 catchers on their 25 man roster but the 3rd catcher is seldom ever used he is only insurance in case of extra innings or the 2nd catcher is injured during a game so to free up this roster spot for an extra pinch hitter or reliever why not invoke a catcher re substitution rule if the last roster catcher on a team is injured during a game the team is permitted to substitute in his place for defensive purposes a catcher who has previously been yanked from the game given this rule a team wouldnt need 3 roster catchers the 3rd catcher could be playing in aaa or be a non roster bullpen catcher ken guns re nature of the waco gas in article 1r6170inndlu cronkite central sun com dbernard clesun central sun com dave bernard writes just heard on the network radio news a spokesman from the army saying that the type of cs gas used in waco had been banned from military use its use is also banned by a draft international agreement on the use of chemical weapons in warfare the reason given was that the use causes extreme nausea blindness disorientation total irrationality raging paranoia children would be all the more susceptible and show the results all the earlier interesting development especially since the feds and the u n accused saddam hussein of using illegal chemicals on his own citizens as well hmmm republican guard iraqu army fbi batf you decide i hope very much that others who will be tempted to join cults and to become involved with people like david koresh will be deterred by the horrible scenes they have seen over the last seven weeks president william jefferson clinton april 20 1993 at a press conferance held the day after the branch davidians compound went up in flames while under attack by the fbi atf near waco texas is your church u s government approved connect the god damned dots ministry tv song clinton administration e mail addresses clintonhq campaign92 org mcimail provided as a public service by 75300 3115 compuserve com compuserve jon edward shum jon mitre org clintonpz aol com america online baseball re devon white why is he not playing in article c5r5rt fir helios physics utoronto ca wyllie helios physics utoronto ca andrew wyllie writes in article 1993apr19 190341 10176 bmerh85 bnr ca hsslee bnr ca writes devon white has not been in the blue jays line up lately does anybody know why he is not playing during one of the games last week wednesday both white and sprauge were not playing because they had the flu i guess white is probably still sick i hope white gets back in the lineup soon watching darrin jackson play center is painful andrew i heard he had a strained abdominal muscle or something like that dan brekke cars re cherokee v explorer jcksnste acf1 nyu edu writes hi all brand new to the group so please no flames honest opinions on jeep cherokee country not sport v ford explorer my stepfather who ponders every major decision up to four months after making it is looking at one of the two also please comment on the importance if any between 4wd and 2wd we live in princeton nj and will barely ever take it off road we learned with this last winter that we could really use something with a little more confidence in 20 inches of snow than an olds cutlass eighty eight all replies appreciated hell be pondering this for a while hes already decided on 6 cyl over 4 so dont worry about that one thanks steve i own a new ford explorer i really love it i drove the jeep and besides the power i just didnt see spending the money for it the jeep was great but i just love the explorer i have a 2wd and i got through the blizzard of 93 just fine i drove about 400 miles in the worst part of storm and it never faulterd my own opinion doug i jcksnste acf1 nyu edu guns re batf acronym in article 8110360 hpfcso fc hp com cunniff hpfcso fc hp com ross cunniff writes diederic spot colorado edu andrew diederich writes b arely a dequate t otally f ed the one i made up last night was bureau of assault theft and frame ups try this one a favorite around here bureau of assholes tightwads and facists and remember they were created by the infernal revenue code msa soon i discovered that this rock thing was true jerry lee lewis was the devil jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet all of a sudden i found myself in love with the world so there was only one thing that i could do was ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long windows printer security mark juric a i programs mjuric ai uga edu university of georgia athens georgia 30602 religion re question on sabbath question correction there are a few groups that continue to believe christians have to worship on the sabbath saturday the best known are the seventh day adventists and jehovahs witnesses they argue that act 20 7 is not a regular worship service but a special meeting to see paul off and that i cor 16 2 doesnt explicitly say its a regular worship service jehovahs witnesses do not believe that christians are required to observe the sabbath whether it is on saturday or sunday the sabbath was part of a covenent between god and the israelites and is not required for christians steve peterson medicine re insensitive technicians in article 1rrhi9inn2bq ceti cs unc edu john eyles jge cs unc edu writes friends unpleasant experience uring ct scan deleted is there anything i can do about these pigs id suggest writing a detailed letter about the incident to the hospital administrator specify the date and time if possible the names of the technicians send a copy to the clinician under whose care your friend was admitted i say this because though your friend has no argument with the doctor i have found that administrators sometimes ignore complaints until the patient becomes litigious clinicians may not have been informed of the complaint and are very surprised to find themselves named in a suit if there is no response within a week send a follow up letter attach a photocopy of the original letter do this weekly until you do get a response cat scans are non invasive but they can be very scary the scanner can be a bad place for the claustrophobic there was an interesting study in the bmj about 10 years ago which found that around 10 of people who had cat scans found it so unpleasant that they would never have another this compares with 15 who said the same about a lumbar puncture don mackie his opinions cars re rfi art of clutchless shifting in article 1993apr22 133415 21443 magnus acs ohio state edu sjcostan magnus acs ohio state edu scott j costanzo writes he was as smooth as silk it was the most amazing shifting demonstration ive ever seen having said all that i still dont know why anyone would want to shift a synchronized tranny without a clutch why do it ego trip mark walker my old man always said mwalker chama eece unm edu too much is just right 505 277 3688 home 899 0644 guess that applies to my preferences albuquerque nm in performance cars windows print to file how do i print the file later heres the situation at home i have ms word for windows but no printer at work i have windows a postscript printer but not ms word so i configure my machine at home to use a postscript printer and use the print to file option which produces a nice postscript file which i then bring to work my question how do i print this postscript file through the print manager at work if for example i select print from the file manager it treats the postscript as a text file and gives me several pages of postscript gibberish i know that i can open a dos window and do copy file ps com1 which does work but seems not to multitask very well other applications run rather slowly and often pause for 10s of seconds there ought to be a way of passing the postscript file to the print manager but if there is i cant find any mention of it in the documentation anyone know how to do this michael clase memorial university of newfoundland mclase riemann math mun ca baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1993apr15 221049 14347 midway uchicago edu thf2 midway uchicago edu writes in article 1qkkodinn5f5 jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo a iglesias writes in article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we werent able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help hank greenberg would have to be the most famous because his jewish faith actually affected his play missing late season or was it world series games because of yom kippur the other jewish hofer is rod carew who converted did he ever really convert he married a jewish woman but ive never heard him say he converted elliot maddox on the other hand lowenstein is jewish as well as montanas only representative to the major leagues undeserving cy young award winner steve stone is jewish between stone koufax ken holtzman might have the wrong pitcher im thinking of the one who threw a no hitter in both the al and nl and big ed reulbach thats quite a starting rotation moe berg can catch harry steinfeldt the 3b in the tinkers evers chance infield yep holtzman saul rogovin won an era title in 1949 or so before blowing out the arm is stanky jewish or is that just a dave cohen kinda misinterpretation whatever doesnt look like he stuck around the majors too long id be surprised btw they may just be shopping gallego around to make room for as roger windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 1993apr30 172938 6386 samba oit unc edu dil admin mhs unc edu dave laudicina writes microsoft is the largest software company on the planet yet i cannot think of even one computing concept that they innovated and brought to market before anyone else xerox parc apple osborne next gnu and others have been pioneers and led the way to the future of computing what has microsoft done to be a technological leader i posted this question before but i got nary a reply i make the challenge now to anyone who can come up with something especially microsoft employees i get no response this time i guess it pretty much assures me that there is none which is what i suspect anyway really when you come down to it who cares i just hope ms keeps doing what they do best getting usable productive software to the masses thx dave l if you think that windows is useable you must not use it much windows version of crash protection is wearing a helmet while computing the arir air bag is an expensive add on brett brett d sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng uc edu u of cincy catch the cats college of engineering if you can friends dont let friends do windows wittism of th week i think that its wrong to believe in an ism you should believe in yourself ferrish bueller medicine quality control in medicine does anybody know of any information regarding the implementaion of total quality management quality control quality assurance in the delivery of health care service i would appreciate any information if there is enough interest i will post the responses thank you abhin singla ms bioe mba md president ac medcomp inc baseball re winfields spot on the all time greats team in article c5wewd kto murdoch acc virginia edu drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu david robert walker writes thanks for the numbers they portray a true image in many ways i accept them the first ones and the second is winfield ba really only around 280 medicine recurrent volvulus recurrent volvulus this is regarding recurrent volvulus which our little boy has been suffering from ever since he was an infant he had a surgery when he was one year old another surgery had to be performed one year after when he was two years old he turned three this february and he is still getting afflicted by this illness like having to get hospitalised for vomitting and accompanying stomach pain he managed not having a third surgery so far one thing me and my wife noticed is that his affliction peaks around the time he was born on nearabouts like in march every year any significance to this why does this recur me and my family go through severe pain when our little boy have to undergo surgery why does surgery not rectify the situation also which hospital in us or canada specialize in this malady what will be a good book explaining this disease in detail will keeping a particular diet keep down the probability of recurrence as time goes on will the probability of recurrence go down considering he is getting stronger and healthier and probably less prone to attacks or is this assumption wrong any help throwing light on these queries will be highly appreciated thanks very much jose csd uwo ca guns re waco they did it masada re flaming wreckage i wrote my congressmen strongly worded letters demanding they dissolve the batf perhaps anger and grief can help spur a letter writing campaign ron miller baseball moe berg npr this morning had an interview with linda mccarthy name possibly garbled by me an official historian for the cia she has won an emmy for research on moe berg for a tv documentary which i know from nothing but which sounds good she said that among other things berg was the principal spy for the oss cias wwii precursor spying on axis atomic programs because of his physics background and language skills she said that during the war he met with heisenberg in switzerland and had instructions to shoot heisenberg if the germans were close to us in bomb research he concluded they were two years behind and didnt shoot him i have heard elsewhere that heisenberg deliberately misled the nazi bomb program but i dont know how reliable this is unfortunately npr didnt mention any kind of a book shes writing id certainly buy it in case youre wondering about baseball relevance berg was a longtime mlb backup catcher he was a member of an mlb all star team that toured japan in 1934 presumably not because of his baseball prowess but because he was one of the few americans much less mlb players who spoke japanese photos he took of tokyo on that trip were later used to plan bombing raids according to mccarthy dave mb cars cellular antannas i need to get some info on cellular antennas who are the biggest companies in this market now how much do their antenna cost what are the specs on the antennas gain directivity who is the contact person thank you email at erini enterprise ifp uiuc edu guns my gun is like my ame mark wilson responding to c d tavares mw so the laws exist and the penalties are as you say but nobody is ever mw prosecuted under these laws they are traded away for easy pleas mw having such gun laws on the books is still better than nothing mw what would the da have traded away in order to get the guilty plea if the mw gun law had not been in effect our liberty right dont even think about enforcing the law and imposing the prescribed penalty lets hose the citizens instead olx 2 2 madness takes its toll please have exact change ye olde bailey bbs 713 520 1569 v 32bis 713 520 9566 v 32bis houston texas yob sccsi com home of alt cosuard medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article 1qk4qqinngvs im4u cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes in article 1993apr15 150550 15347 ecsvax uncecs edu ccreegan ecsvax uncecs edu charles l creegan writes what about kekules infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails is this specific enough to count certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic phil of sci texts as an example of the inventive component of hypothesizing i think the question is what is extra scientific about this it has been a long time since anyone has proposed restrictions on where one comes up with ideas in order for them to be considered legitimate hypotheses the point in short is this hypotheses and speculation in science may come from wild flights of fancy daydreams ancient traditions modern quackery or anywhere else russell yes but typically they dont not every wild flight of fancy serves or can serve in the appropriate relation to a hypothesis it is somewhat interesting that when anyone is challanged to provide an example of this sort the only one they come up with is the one about kekule surely there must be others but apparently this is regarded as an extreme example of a non rational process in science whereby a successful hypothesis was proposed but how non rational is it of course we cant hope currently at least to explain how or why kekule had the daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails surely it wasnt the only daydream he had what was special about this one could it have had something to do with a perceived analogy between the geometry of the snakes and problems concerning geometry of molecules is such analogical reasoning extra scientific or is it rather at the very heart of science perices notion of abduction the use of models within and across disciplines upon close examination is there a non rational mystical leap taking place or is it perhaps closer to a formal though often incomplete analogy or model gary h merrill principal systems developer c compiler development sas institute inc sas campus dr cary nc 27513 919 677 8000 sasghm theseus unx sas com mcnc sas sasghm windows help with w scan 104 can somebody help me out of this i just installed the version 104 of mcafree anti virus program and when i tried to scan the entire hard disk i got the message of sorry i cant open xxxx for a couple of files including the wscan104 exe this didnt happen before in previous version nor appear on my friends machine thankx medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article 1993apr16 155919 28040 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes in article c5kv7p jm3 unx sas com sasghm theseus unx sas com gary merrill writes in article 1993apr15 200344 28013 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes what is wrong with the above observation is that it explicitly gives the impression and you may not in fact hold this view that the common perhaps even the correct approach for a scientist to follow is to sit around having flights of fancy and scheming on the basis of his jealousies and petty hatreds flights of fancy and other irrational approaches are common the crucial thing is not to sit around just having fantasies they arent of any use unless they make you do some experiments ive known a lot of scientists whose fantasies lead them on to creative work usually they wont admit out loud what the fantasy was prior to the consumption of a few beers the danger in philosophizing about science is that theory and generalization can end up being far removed from the actual day to day of the grunt at the bench yes its great to be involved in a process were i can walk into the lab after a heavy night of dreaming and just do something for the hell of it as long as my advisor doesnt catch me which is easy enough to do but stamping out such behavior seems to be the purpose in life of grant review committees and the peer review process in general in todays world thats what determines what science is what gets funded and a damn good thing to flights of fantasy just dont have much chance of producing anything at least not in biomedical research the surest way for a graduate student to ruin their life is to work in a lab where the boss is more concerned with fleshing out his her fantasies than with having the student work on a project that actually has a good chance of producing some results mds seem to be particularly prone to this aberrant behavior simple example warren jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a dna electrophoresis gel of human alu fragments he got very excited hoping that hed seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic genes this fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out binding assays the result was a well conserved 400 or so bp sequence that occurs about 500 000 times in the human genome unfortunately for warrens fantasy it turns out to be a transposon that is present in so many copies because it replicates itself and copies itself back into the genome on the other hand the characteristics of transposons were much elucidated the necessity of a cellular reverse transcriptase was recognized and the standard method of recognizing human dna was created other species have different sets of transposons fortunately for me warren and i used to eat dinner at t g i fridays all the time i have to agree with gary merrills response to this ive read alot of the alu and middle repetitive sequence work and its really very interesting good work with implications for many fields in molecular genetics its really an example of how a well reasoned project turned up interesting results that were unexpected mike baseball re usa today ftp site in article c5qgld dut cc swarthmore edu rbrooks1 cc swarthmore edu robert brooks writes wiawkph dutrun2 tudelft nl k p hart writes sometime ago someone mentioned an ftp site run by usa today that should give scores for last nights games can some kind soul e mail me that address please thanks if anyone knows of such a site could they please send it to me also thanks dan acsddc umassd edu guns re my gun is like my american express card in 93104 173826u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes what seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of proportion in my post i was referring to your regular patrolman in a car cruising around the city vs gang members of course the police have access to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the time of course they dont and thats the point i was trying to make every day when i go out to lunch i always see cops coming in the majority that i see are still carrying revolvers so look in the trunk some time heck look at the dash that funny thing attached with a quick release is a gun the ones in the trunk are better i dont have numbers for chicago but philadelphia police cars carried multiple automatic weapons and thousands of rounds as standard issue in the 60s not that there is anything wrong with a revolver but if youre a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple of automatics in his coat i mean semi auto handguns youre going to be at a disadvantage even with training what is the nature of this disadvantage if the cop can shoot 6 rounds will do the job against a single opponent especially since the cop has guaranteed backup if the gang member can shoot the extra rounds dont help the only time this difference can matter is if neither can shoot and cops arent supposed to be throwing lead around like that btw most cops carry multiple guns youre not supposed to know about the second third and so on i have been at a shooting range where gang members were practicing shooting how do we know that they were gang members and not undercover cops or even law abiding menacing minorities btw why the sneer quotes they were actually practicing taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target and they werent doing too badly either then the extra rounds wont make any difference so why is it an issue andy medicine re quality control in medicine in article 93108 003258u19250 uicvm uic edu u19250 uicvm uic edu writes does anybody know of any information regarding the implementaion of total quality management quality control quality assurance in the delivery of health care service i would appreciate any information if there is enough interest i will post the responses this is in fact a hot topic in medicine these days and much of the medical literature is devoted to this the most heavily funded studies these days are for outcome research and physicians and others are constantly questionning whether what we do it truly effective in any given situation qa activities are a routine part of every hospitals administrative function and are required by accreditation agencies there are even entire publications devoted to qa issues kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer religion re is it good that jesus died jim burhill writes would you consider the word of an eye witness peter to testify to the events surrounding jesus life no there are two problems here brian kendig writes 1 peter died two millenia ago the original letters he wrote have long since decayed into dust if he were alive today and i could do you question the existence of alexander the great tilgrath pilisar iii nero caligula josephus cyrus the great artexerxes their documents have decayed to dust too brian why another excuse 2 even if peter did witness the miracles of jesus two millenia ago that doesnt mean that your deity is what the bible says it is god might just be satan trying to convince everyone that hes a nice guy or even that your deity is still alive and active in the world today peter wrote a bit of the bible what peter says about god is what the bible says consider the bible a court recording over the period of thousands of years various people come up and testify of their experience with the living god up comes abraham the wealthy rancher up comes moses once the high official of egypt up comes elijah a priest up comes david a mere shepherd who became king up comes the pagan king nebuchanezzar up comes the pagan king of persia cyrus up comes nehemiah cupbearer to the king of persia then matthew an irs agent takes the stand up comes luke an m d then paul a jew who use to kill christians for fun up comes john a 17 year old boy up comes peter a fishermen up comes james the brother of jesus himself up comes hundreds of others you hear testimony from fishermen irs agents priests kings the court hearing lasts thousands of years with people coming up and testifying about the god who calls himself i am while you are listening to all this stuff you realize that king david could have never known john solomon could have never known matthew nehemiah could have never known peter you realize that all these people are independent witnesses and so you rule out collaboration yet all of the witnesses tell of the same god each testifier tells of his own experiences with the living god each experience is different but each experience has enough cross over to unmistakenly reveal that each one of these people is talking about the very same god what daniel did not know about god the 3rd highest official of babylon god revealed to john 600 years later but with a different perspective no two testimonies are identical each testimony dares to venture off what is already known yet each witnesss testimony even though different from those prior consistently describes harmoniously fitting facets of the character of the same god now as we stare gazing at the computer you got this seeming fanatic on the other end of the net saying i know this god i am he has revealed himself to me too he also calls himself jesus john 8 58 please believe me i am telling the truth it is wonderful to know him are you going to just pass off all this testimony as fictiousness are you going to call three thousand years worth of testimony from shepherds to irs agents to royal officials to kings to computer programmers fiction with a scoff of your keyboard with near complete ignorance of the testimonies are you going to say that that is all complete hooey would that not be the most audacious display of arrogance do you actually think you know better than king solomon king david or even abraham lincolnr windows s3 card problems i posted a message here some time ago asking why my mouse was so jumpy well i think i know why and it doesnt have anything to do with the mouse it seems to be the video driver heres why i think that a few weeks ago i helped a guy install the driver for his s3 video card for windows he had been using the normal windows default vga driver we dont have the same kind of mouse mine is microsoft serial and his is an off brand serial mouse his mouse worked fine until i installed the s3 v1 4 driver on his system then his mouse became really jumpy too is there anything i can do i need high resolution since i display lots of stuff on my screen ami pro pegasus mail for windows wp office 4 0 sorry nondisclosure and alot more i noticed there are s3 drivers on ftp cica but they are the same version that i already have and they are no help i already tried sean eckton computer support representative college of fine arts and communications d 406 hfac brigham young university provo ut 84602 801 378 3292 hfac csr byu edu ecktons ucs byu edu religion re merlin mithras and magick in article 93111 195217a54si cunyvm bitnet a54si cunyvm bitnet writes stuff about mithras deleted oh his b day was 25 dec ahem i thought that saturnalia was celebrated by the romans at that time was mithras connected with this medicine re prednisone what are the significant long term side effects i have been taking prednisone 5mg twice a day for a while to control ulcerative colitis it seems like if i reduce the dosage the problem becomes worse at this point i see myself taking prednisone for a long long time perhaps for ever i was wondering about long term major side effects things like potential birth defects arthritis etc i have been putting on weight my face looks puffed and round experience sudden mood swings as i understand these are all short term i second what spenser aden said in reply additionally it is hard to say what type of response you ar3e having to prednisone since you did not say how long you have been on it patients are generally kept on steroids for months before thinking about tapering alternatives to daily dosing are every other day dosing in your case 20mg every other day would be a start another option if it is not possible to get you off prednisone is to start azathioprine like spenser said you should generally be on another drug in addition to your prednisone like asulfidine a lot of the specifics about options though depends on severity location and duration of disease as well as histology so take advice off the net for what it is worth i treat patients with uc and crohns an educated patient is a good patient but let your doctor know where the advice came from so things can be put in context you should also be a member of the crohns and colitis foundation of america 1 800 932 2423 office 1 800 343 3637 info hotline best of luck to you steve holland gila005 uabdpo dpo uab edu windows re head to head win and os 2 in article 1993may15 175312 22307 emr1 emr ca jagrant emr1 emr ca john grant writes i dont think the question is will os 2 x x run windows y y apps now a more important question is will subsequent os 2 versions continue to run apps from subsequent windows versions in the future john a grant jagrant emr1 emr ca airborne geophysics geological survey of canada ottawa but the most important question is will there be any os2 apps so we dont have to load windows in the future and maybe the question of the future will be will windows x 1 run os2 y y apps now regards hans the whales of the atlantic and the people of the faroe islands have coexisted in perfect harmony for the last 1000 years no matter what any urban navel contamplator without any real relation to the coherence of the nature says medicine good grief was re candida albicans what is it in article rind enterprise bih harvard edu david rind writes in article davpa ida liu se david partain writes someone i know has recently been diagnosed as having candida albicans a disease about which i can find no information apparently it has something to do with the bodys production of yeast while at the same time being highly allergic to yeast can anyone out there tell me any more about it candida albicans can cause severe life threatening infections usually in people who are otherwise quite ill this is not however the sort of illness that you are probably discussing systemic yeast syndrome where the body is allergic to yeast is considered a quack diagnosis by mainstream medicine there is a book the yeast connection which talks about this illness there is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists theres a lot of evidence it just hasnt been adequately gathered and published in a way that will convince the die hard melancholic skeptics who quiver everytime the word anecdote or empirical is used for example dr ivker who wrote the book sinus survival always gives before any other treatment a systemic anti fungal such as nizoral to his new patients if theyve been on braod spectrum anti biotics 4 or more times in the last two years hes kept a record of the results and for over 2000 patients found that over 90 of his patients get significant relief of allergic sinus symptoms of course this is only the beginning for his program in my case as i reported a few weeks ago i was developing the classic symptoms outlined in the yeast connection i agree it is a poorly written book e g extreme sensitivity to plastics vapors etc which i never had before started in november within one week of full dosage of sporanox the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared i can now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes im also greatly improved in other areas as well of course i have allergy symptoms etc i am especially allergic to molds yeasts etc it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body and you have a natural allergy to yeasts that a threshold would be reached where you would have perceptible symptoms also yeast do produce toxins of various sorts and again you dont have to be a rocket scientist to realize that such toxins can cause problems in some people in my case it was sinus since thats the center of my allergic response of course the 60 000 question is whether a person who is immune compromised as tests showed i was from over 5 years of antibiotics nutritionally deficiencies because of the stress of infections and allergies etc can develop excessive yeast colonization somewhere in the body it is a tough question to answer since testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy one almost has to take an empirical approach to diagnosis fortunately sporanox is relatively safe unlike past anti fungals still have to be careful however so theres no reason any longer to withhold sporanox treatment for empirical reasons btw some would say to try nystatin unfortunately most yeast grows hyphae too deep into tissue for nystatin to have any permanent affect youll find a lot of people who are on nystatin all the time in summary i appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep medicine on the right road but methinks that some who hold too firmly to the party line are academics who havent been in the trenches long enough actually treating patients if anybody doctors included said to me to my face that there is no evidence of the yeast connection i cannot guarantee their safety for their incompetence ripping off their lips is justified as far as i am concerned jon noring charter member infj club if youre dying to know what infj means be brave e mail me ill send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 freds gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone 510 294 8153 chips worlds best livermore ca 94550 v mail 510 417 4101 who are you read alt psychology personality thats where the action is guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 94380 hydra gatech edu gt6511a prism gatech edu cochrane james shapleigh writes btw if i screwed up bad enough to get someone hurt killed my co the pms probably the brigade commander and possibly the region commander could all expect a good amount of heat possibly including reassignment or seperationfrom service certainly the pms would not be promotable and would shortly thereafter be asked to retire this is called accountability if my pms knew beforehand about the activities in which a person was killed he would be nailed for failing to ensure that proper safety measures were taken if he didnt know he would be nailed for improper supervision can we hold the president of the us to lower standards than his subordinates after all he was briefed on the fbi raid he could have asked how they intended to flush the bds out the president is not competent to plan or judge the planning of such a raid nor does he need to be his job is to set basic policies and manage the people under him if clinton instructed reno to preserve lives and if she confirmed that the plan for the raid was a safe as could be then he did his job the president should not involve himself in the minor details of these kinds of operations this sort of micromanagement only leads to disaster as was demonstrated so well in vietnam but the raid went bad over 80 civilians have been killed in a controntation with u s authorities now clinton enters the picture in a big way will clinton start an investigation or will he try to squash any attempt to investigate is he a responsible leader or is he only interested in protecting the image of his administration well all find out as this unfolds mark draughn draughn iitmax iit edu or sysmark iitvax on bitnet academic computing illinois institute of technology 1 312 567 5962 10 w 31st street chicago illinois 60616 religion re disillusioned protestant finds christ in a previous article tom tredysvr tredydev unisys com tom albrecht says in article 1qb726 j9d usenet ins cwru edu cj195 cleveland freenet edu john w redelfs writes i learned that god loves his children who have never heard of him and has a plan for redeeming them too even those who have died without a knowledge of christ i learned that a man cannot frustrate justice by repenting on his death bed because repentance is more than a feeling of remorse it requires faith in christ proven by following him by keeping his commandments such cannot be accomplished on ones deathbed so jesus must have lied to the thief on the cross paradise and salvation are not the same thing salvation is better refer to john 14 2 tom albrecht john w redelfs cj195 cleveland freenet edu all my opinions are tentative pending further data medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1qi2h1innr3o roundup crhc uiuc edu mary uicsl csl uiuc edu mary e allison writes two different tuesdays two weeks apart we used the same day of the week just for consistancies sake we ordered food from the local chinese take out same exact food except one of the days we had them hold the msg i did not know which time the food was ordered without the msg but one time i had the reaction and one time i did not now you can try to tell me that it wasnt scientific enough and that i have not proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that i have a reaction to msg but it was proof enough for me and ill have you know that i do not wish to get sick from eating food thank you very much if you could not tell which one had msg why restaurants bother to use it at all if you can taste the difference psychological reaction might play a role the fact is msg is part of natural substance everyone i mean everyone consumes certain amount of msg every day through regular diet without the synthesized msg additive chinese and many other asians japanese koreans etc have used msg as flavor enhancer for two thousand years do you believe that they knew how to make msg from chemical processes not they just extracted it from natural food such sea food and meat broth baring msg is just like baring sugar which many people react to jason chen cars re 86 chevy sprint in article wfnmbjg00wboe3l2c0 andrew cmu edu srinagesh gavirneni sg48 andrew cmu edu writes i have a 86 chevy sprint with a c and 4doors its odometer turned 90k and the sensor light started blinking i went to the dealer and he said it was a maintenance light saying i need to change the oxygen sensor he said it is to be changed every 30k but since i bought the car when it had 77k i dont know if the same thing happened at 30k and 60k he quoted 198 for the part and 50 to install it the part cost 30 outside but the mechanic i went to could not fix it saying the sensor is placed too deep in the engine parts he suggested i wait till it malfunctions before i do anything if anyone out there owns a chevy sprint i want to know how they got their oxygen sensors changed also did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealers help also what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction any help would be greatly apprecisted thanks nagesh i have owned my sprint from the beginning and that sensor light comes on every 30k to let you know its time for a check up when that light goes on i just take it to the delaer tell them its that time and they work on it for 4 hou and you pay 5 for parts and 100 for labor ahh what they get for labor i currently have about 95k on my sprint and of all the times i took it in for service i never say on the payment sheet anything about the replacement of the oxygen sensor what the heck is an oxygen sensor as far an i know of i have never had that thing replaced in my car and the car is purring like a kitten now i dont have a c mother nature does that for me and that might have something to do with it but i still never heard of an oxygen sensor the only major service job i have had on my car besides getting the tires replaced if you want to call that a service job was getting the rotor distributor and gasket replaced and that was all done within the past 2 months what i do at 30k is have a good tune up let them replace what ever they need to pay the bill about 125 and go home and dont worry about the car for another 30k oh i just remembered something if that little sensor light bothers you in the fuse box right below the turn signal lever up against the dash there is a swith on the right side flip that switch and the light will go off i do that so that little light wont annoy me if you cant find it look it up in the car manuel i hope that i have helped a little and good luck with the oxygen sensor thomas e mail address give me an an army of west point tjz6624 zeus tamu edu graduates and ill win a battle give me a handful of texas aggies creator of mot power and ill win a war gen george s patton cars advice on used car hi i was looking for some helpful advice im a university student with about 7000 to spend and im looking for a used car does anyone have any useful advice they could offer to a first time buyer im not looking for anything sporty just something functional and reliable less maintenance costs anybody have any ideas on what models might suit me thanks sanjai windows re word 2 0 help from article 0096b11b 08a283a0 vms csd mu edu by 2a42dubinski vms csd mu edu can anyone tell me if and how they have printed spanish characters i know wp 5 1 has this built in but i do not recall ever seeing this option on wfw2 help try using the extended character set alt sequences look in character map in the accessories group and see the alt sequence for the font you want gregory r cook internet gcook horus cem msu edu department of chemistry cookgreg student msu edu michigan state university cook cemvax cem msu edu east lansing mi 48824 bitnet cook msucem bitnet medicine occupational injuries and disease workers memorial day here is a press release from the american federation of state county and municipal employees unions point to deadly workplaces afscme other unions commemorate workers memorial day to national desk labor writer contact janet rivera of the american federation of state county and municipal employees afl cio 202 429 1130 washington april 23 the american federation of state county and municipal employees afscme and other unions of the afl cio on wednesday april 28 will commemorate the fifth annual workers memorial day a day to pay homage to the 6 million workers who are killed injured or diseased on the job this year afscme will focus its workers memorial day efforts an the dangerous environment in which corrections officers must work earlier this month an afscme corrections officer robert vallandingham was killed by inmates who overtook the corrections facility in lucasville ohio the law and order agenda of the 1980s has resulted in a steady increase in the prison population for the past five years on jn 1 1992 the prison population was 709 587 projections show a continued increase in the number of inmates with an expected prison population of 811 253 in 1994 the conditions which this burgeoning prison population has created for corrections officers is partially reflected in the number of assaults by inmates against staff assaults against staff increased dramatically between 1987 and 1989 and remain high in 1987 there were 808 assaults by inmates against staff compared to 9 961 such assaults in 1991 the increased number of inmates has brought on the dangerous combination of overcrowding and understaffing for example in ohio officer to inmate ratio is 1 to 8 4 the second worst ratio in the nation the national average is 1 to 5 3 other health and safety issues facing corrections officers include aids hepatitis b tuberculosis stress and chemical hazards afscme has more than 50 000 members who work in the nations federal state and local correctional facilities correction officers are not alone in performing their jobs under life threatening conditions every year 10 000 american workers die from job related injuries and tens of thousands more die from occupational disease public employees do some of the nations most dangerous jobs perilous occupations include highway workers highway workers are often injured and frequently killed by moving traffic because work zones are not barricaded or dont have proper lighting health care workers hospitals have the highest number of job related injuries and illnesses of any private sector employer and nursing homes ranked fifth there were more than 325 000 job related illnesses and injuries in private sector hospitals in 1991 up almost 10 percent over the previous year it is generally believed that health care workers employed at public sector hospitals and nursing homes have a significantly higher rate of injuries and illnesses than do their private sector counterparts health and safety issues facing health care workers include exposure to tuberculosis and the hiv virus back injuries and high levels of stress social workers social workers who work in mental health institutions are often the victims of assaults and sometimes fatal attacks for instance last october a man carrying a semiautomatic handgun walked into the schuyler county social services building in watkins glenn n y and fatally shot social services workers before turning the gun on himself there are two basic problems first is a growing lack of support services for people who dont have the help they need because workers are overworked some clients are not given the adequate amount of counselling such conditions may cause clients to become more frustrated the quality of the clients is also becoming more violent as more are moved out of the institutions nearly 2 million workers have been killed by workplace hazards since osha was passed moreover as afscme president gerald w mcentee explains osha does not provide workplace safety protections for public employees more than 1 600 public employees are killed each year on the job yet 27 states still provide no federally approved osha coverage for public employees said mcentee this despite the fact that public employees highway workers health care workers corrections officers to name but a few do some of the most dangerous work in our society this year we are fighting for passage of osha reform legislation to give all workers greater rights and protections and finally guarantee all public employees safe workplaces we need the public support to be successful government workers suffer 25 percent more injuries than private sector workers and these injuries are almost 75 percent more severe public employees were exempted from osha when the law was passed in 1970 and today public employees in more than half the states have no osha coverage 30 canada remote systems toronto ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044 cars re too fast boyle cactus org craig boyle writes the quality of autobahns is something of a myth the road surface isnt much different to a typical tx freeway they are better in terms of lighting safety signs roadmarkings etc they light the highways in texas funny everywhere else ive been they only light em at junctions i wont even get into how much road markings vary between states and localities except to say that there are some areas where markings are essentially nonexistant than most of the roads here a dip in the asphalt that you test your shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130 dont get me wrong i love to it would have to be quite severe i dont recall any us freeway without road damage warnings that i would regard as unsafe at 130 in any decent well damped car i suspect you have very limited experience us freeways vary dramatically particularly between states i can name a number of interstate highways in various parts of the country where 130 would be very optimistic in any car im not sure what you call quite severe in terms of road deviations but i suspect every single bridge junction on i84 through ct would be considered so theyre hard to take at 85mph thats not the only interstate ive seen with such deviations but its one i drive frequently texas is pretty much an edge case you cant assume that everywhere has roads in such good condition such flat terrain and such wide open spaces it just aint so jim frost jimf centerline com cars any subaru liberty owners out there ive had my subaru liberty 4wd station wagon for about 8 months now saying im happy with it would be an understatement just great well built handles beautifully plenty of power ive only had if off tar once did a trip over the mountains on a narrow windy dirt road often very dodgey in parts the subaru did it with ease i havent had so much fun driving a car for years any other owners out there steve green hey rocky watch me pull a rabbit outa my hat comms group that trick never works its branch nothin up my sleeve presto csiro australia no doubt about it i gotta get another hat windows re help with winqvt i had a similar problem try changing the netmask to 0 0 0 0 or 255 255 254 0 tommy medicine re info colonics and purification in article 80412 cup portal com mark robert thorson mmm cup portal com writes colonics were a health fad of the 19th century which persists to this day except for certain medical conditions there is no reason to do this certainly no normal person should do this in article 1993apr28 023749 9259 informix com robert hartman hartman informix com writes also insofar as it doesnt conform to the accepted medical presumption that it just doesnt matter what you eat and that we can think of the gi tract as a black box in which nothing ever goes wrong except for maybe cancer and ulcers the righteous will no doubt jump on that too recently i completed a 2 week juice fast with 3 days of water and had two colonics as part of it my motivation was primarily spiritual to de toxify from all the crap ive been putting in my body not like thats enough to clean it all out but it did have an effect personaly i didnt find it an uncomfortable experience the colonic lost about 15lbs of beer belly which hasnt come back over the last month and feel great one of the things that prompted me to get the colonic was seeing my 90 year old grandmother chair ridden from colitis from years of indulgence not everything that goes in comes out and personaly i dont mind giving my body a hand once in a while just my experience george paap i am my beliefs which almost certainly are not those of my employer baseball re notes on jays vs indians series in article 1993apr13 221704 4291 midway uchicago edu thf2 midway uchicago edu writes in article rudyc5fxc8 deu netcom com rudy netcom com rudy wade writes in article 1993apr13 195301 22652 csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson lu writes guess which line is which ba obp slg ab h 2b 3b hr bb x 310 405 427 571 177 27 8 8 87 y 312 354 455 657 205 32 1 20 35 the walks should give it away obps in general somewhat more valuable than slugging and alomars edge in obp was quite a bit larger than baergas edge in slugging im no sdcn but whats more valuable 28 hits w 5 more doubles 12 more hrs or 7 more triples and 52 bbs lets not forget the 39 extra sbs how many cs alomar had 9 cs baerga had 2 dont forget the 59 more outs baerga had his gidp balances out his cs and he had one more sacrifice than alomar a replacement level second baseman could have had 17 hits 5 walks and a couple of xbh for the additional outs baerga had a triple is little different than a home run were talking exchanging almost 60 walks for six or seven home runs and four doubles i would say the almost 60 walks are more valuable also alomar got a far greater boost from his home park than baerga did from his and six or seven home runs hmm so if you wanted to pick a second baseman to play in toronto youd take alomar anywhere else and youd probably take baerga mike disclaimer these opiini h h damn h h q w q wq wq d x exit x q c quitbye ctrlaltdel q q logout save quit quit zz zzzzzz vi man vi l c e x i t help helpquit d d man help c c e help exit quit q ctrlshftdel hey what does stop l1a d guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 1qiebiinn1c1 cae cad gatech edu vincent cad gatech edu vincent fox writes in 93104 173826u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes deleted the university cops here who are are state cops are armed better than the chicago police it seems most state cops are i dont know where you are originally from david but you live in tennesse and i live in chicago and see this crap everyday on the news and in the papers i think the situation is just a tad different here than there which crap the ridiculous assertions that uzis are mowing down cops right and left the assertions that dialing 911 should be the proper and only option available to the law abiding citizens a factoid 56 cops were killed in the whole country last year this is down from around 100 in the early 80s wow a real explosion in cop killings there eh well if were going to discuss being a police officer in america today the fbi lists 132 police officers killed feloniously and accidentally in 1990 thats apparently everybody at all levels year officers killed rate 100 000 police officers 1982 164 47 6 1983 152 40 2 1984 147 39 4 1985 148 37 9 1986 133 34 9 1987 148 39 0 1988 155 41 9 1989 145 38 1 1990 132 32 0 includes one officer in mariana islands includes one officer each in guam and mariana islands includes one officer in guam and two in foreign locations includes one officer in american samoas and two in foreign countries includes one officer in guam and one federal officer killed in peru god i love the information age david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al medicine re brain abscess definition needed in article 1993apr8 123213 1 tardis mdcorp ksc nasa gov fresa tardis mdcorp ksc nasa gov writes could someone please define a brain abscess for me a relative has one near his cerebellum a brain abscess is an infection deep in the brain substance it is hard to cure with antibiotics since it gets walled off and usually it needs surgical drainage gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 1r5rnn rdt usenet ins cwru edu bu008 cleveland freenet edu brandon d ray wrote perhaps youve been under a rock the last few days the batf and the fbi are both federal agencies clinton has admitted in front of news cameras that janet reno the once and future attorney general gave him a full briefing of what was planned before they did it and he gave her the go ahead maybe just possibly that makes him a teensy bit responsible perhaps youve been under a rock since say the turn of the century how in the is one man supposed to review every single freaking governmental action every day thats why we have an executive branch he reviewed the plan and said go but he wasnt the architect and he wasnt there bullhorn in hand implementing it yes he was responsible in the sense that he was briefed so what shit happens that sounds like a callous way to dismiss the deaths of 90 people but i cant understand why people get so bent about the accidental death suicide which is it could take months of some total fucking sociopath child molester and his crazed followers while opposing u s intervention in bosnia just like billy boy said i think some of you people have too much time on your hands and screwed up priorities just my ho joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu medicine re krillean photography in article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alexander p zijdenbos writes i am neither a real believer nor a disbeliever when it comes to so called paranormal stuff but as far as im concerned it is just as likely as the existence of for instance a god which seems to be quite accepted in our societies without any scientific basis but no one or at least not many people are trying to pass off god as a scientific fact not so with kirlian photography ill admit that it is possible that some superior intelligence exists elsewhere and if people want to label that intelligence god im not going to stop them anyway lets not turn this into a theological debate i am convinced that it is a serious mistake to close your mind to something anything simply because it doesnt fit your current frame of reference history shows that many great people great scientists were people who kept an open mind and were ridiculed by sceptics read alt fan robert mcelwaine sometime ive never been so closed minded before subscribing to that group brian tao taob r node hub org r node bbs 416 249 5366 free 90taobri wave scar utoronto ca university of toronto guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 3876 nlsun1 oracle nl jdurbin nl oracle com jason durbin writes if even half the speculations of conspiracy made about this are true then i would expect that you people should be calling for the atf fbi texas rangers congress and all branches of the us government to be immediately and completey disbanded no exceptions well were not which goes to prove you still dont understand what were saying here jeez do you people really beleive all this crap do you also beleive in the zionist occupation government and the tooth fairy ive lived through the bombing of cambodia my lai inflated body counts in vietnam the funding of noreiga watergate contragate chappaquiddick kent state domestic spying by the cia edwin meeses pornography commission the war on drugs civil seizure the move disaster the la disaster and now waco do you really believe that government always does what is right admittedly mistakes were made but why attribute them to malice rather than stupidity watch the news for the next couple of months watch how this whole government initiated debacle turns into shouting for more gun control its already started cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet religion re new religion forming sign up i give up whats new about yet another interpretation of the odl adam and eve story michael guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news in article c4tshu ew6 magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes what relevance are all homicides in this debate what do you think gun control advocates are saying that if we get rid of all handguns we will live in a homicide free world they sure make it sound like that the issue is guns not baseball bats even a simpleton knows that he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat certainly of outrunning a bat wielding assailant even a simpleton knows a baseball bat is considered a deadly weapon if one cannot run away e g old infirm even middle aged if the assailant is younger a handgun is the most effective means of defense you wont even have to fire a shot 98 of the time as for knives see my earlier post id much rather face a knife than a gun thanks fortunately the best defense against a knife isnt another knife anyone trained in unarmed self defense wont have much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife assault which probably means 99 9 of knife assailants any real streetfighter and there are lots of them with or without a knife will kick the living sh out of most people trained in unarmed self defense for the majority of people a gun is the most effective form of self defense al standard disclaimer cars re ad said nissan altima best seller boyle cactus org writes in article 1qv7mn dql menudo uh edu thang harebell egr uh edu chin heng thang writes recently i saw an ad for the altima which says that it is the best seller for the past 6 months is that true i too was puzzled by this obvious untruth what i think is going on is that nissan claims that the altima is the best selling new car namelplate in the us i think i have this near verbatim lee iaccocas statistics dept would have been proud of that sentence what they mean i think is that of all totally new models i e cars never sold before in any form the altima is the best seller thereby eliminating accord taurus etc this is from the same people who make the claim that our minivan is outsellin theirs implying that the nissan quest murcury villager are out selling the chrysler mini vans not only is this not true at all but it was a stupid claim to make the commercial was part of the introduction campaign for the vans kind of a bold statement to make when you havent even sold one yet eh and i thought buick and oldsmobile where bad shame on you nissan and mercury any other interpretations craig does anyone has anyhting regarding the of cars sold for the past 6 months tony religion a treatise on the miracles of muhammad saw part 1 droplet vol 1 no 11 part 1 a d r o p l e t from the vast ocean of the miraculous quran translations from the arabic and turkish writings of bediuzzaman said nursi the risale i noor vol 1 no 11 part 1 nineteenth letter mujizat i ahmediye risalesi a treatise on the miracles of muhammad saw saw peace and blessings be upon him in his name allah be he allah glorified there is nothing but glorifies his allahs praise in the name of allah the compassionate the merciful he is who has sent his messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to make it supreme over all religion and sufficient is allah as a witness muhammad is the messenger of allah and those who are with him are firm against the unbelievers and merciful among each other you will see them bowing and prostrating themselves seeking allahs grace and his pleasure their mark is on their face the sing of prostrafion this is their similitude in the torah and indgil the ouran 48 28 29 since the nineteenth and thirhy first words concerning the mission of muhammad saw prove his prophethood with decisive evidences we assign the verification of that subject to those words as a supplement to them we will merely show here in nineteen signs some of the flashes of that great truth first sign the owner and master of this universe does everything with knowledge disposes every affair with wisdom directs everything all seeingly treats everything all knowingly and arranges in everything with his will and wisdom such causes purposes and uses that are apparent to us since the one who creates knows surely the one who knows will speak since he will speak surely he will speak to those who have consciousness thought and speech since he will speak to those who have thought surely he will speak to humankind whose make up and awareness are more comprehensive of all conscious beings since he will speak to humankind surely he will speak to the most perfect of mankind and those most worthy of address and highest in morality and who are qualified to guide humanity then he will certainly speak to muhammad saw who as friend and foe alike testify is of the highest character and morality and who is obeyed by one fifth of humanity to whose spiritual rule half of the globe has submitted with the radiance of whose light has been illumined the future of mankind for thirteen centuries to whom the believers the luminous segment of humanity renew their oath of allegiance five times a day for whose happiness and peace they pray for whom they call down allahs blessings and bear admiration and love in their hearts certainly he will speak to muhammad saw and indeed he has done so he will make him the messenger and indeed he has done so he will make him the guide for the rest of humanity and indeed he has done so to be continued in a allah your br irfan in islam medicine re homeopathy a respectable medical tradition in article 19609 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes accepted by whom not by scientists there are people in every country who waste time and money on quackery in britain and scandanavia where i have worked it was not paid for what are most of these countries i dont believe you i am told by the person who i care a lot about and who i am worried is going to start putting his health and money into homeopathy without really knowing what he is getting into and who is the reason i posted in the first place about homeopathy that in britain homeopathy is available on the national health service and that there are about 6000 gps who use homeopathic practices true false what have there been any important and documented investigations into homeopathic principles i was reading a book on homeopathy over the weekend i turned to the section on the principles behind homeopathic medicine and two paragraphs informed me that homeopaths dont feel obliged to provide any sort of explanation the author stated this with pride as though it were some sort of virtue why am i sceptical about homeopathy is it because i am a narrow minded bigot or is it because homeopathy really looks more like witch doctory than anything else daniele religion re davidians and compassion in article sandvik 190493200420 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes so we have this highly christian religious order that put fire on their house killing most of the people inside im not that annoyed about the adults they knew supposedly what they were doing and its their own actions what i mostly are angry about is the fact that the people inside including mothers let the children suffer and die during awful conditions if this is considered religious following to the end im proud that i dont follow such fanatical and non compassionate religions you might want to die for whatever purpose but please spare the innocent young ones that has nothing to do with this all i have a hard time just now understanding that christianity knows about the word compassion christians do you think the actions today would produce a good picture of your religion kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net surely you are not equating david koresh with christianity the two are not comparable baseball re all time peak players in article 1993apr22 025018 23003 princeton edu roger crux princeton edu roger lustig writes in article 1993apr21 202344 14524 alleg edu luriem alleg edu michael lurie the liberalizer writes in article 1r3dln oqm transfer stratus com jmann vineland pubs stratus com jim mann writes in article 1993apr20 202808 11395 alleg edu luriem alleg edu michael lurie the liberalizer writes very interesting gehrig below bonds and schmidt ricky henderson he could steal bases but his hitting stats are not even close to dimmagios uhhhh where is winfield hendersons stats are probably closer to dimaggios than you think then give me numbers man winfield could whip hendersons butt at what basestealing not hendersons all time leader and is good for about 170 runs worth of sb lifetime winfield is about 800 sb behind and has a net 10 runs on base average winfields best year 1984 was 397 nine points below hendersons lifetime oba lifetime the diff is 47 points slugging winfield by 40 points theyre both good ofs though winfield looks better with his huge bod winfields best year 1979 308 396 558 henderson 1990 325 441 577 tb iii gives henderson a total player rating of 67 winfield of 40 they have rickey as a much better fielder which i dont buy but henderson is simply the best leadoff hitter of all time and winfield isnt the best anything of all time henderson is the best leadoff hitter of all time arguably winfield has meant more to his team than henderson unlike daryll henderson tries hard he is an amazing centerfielder rickey is very good maybe better than winfield i was angry at the dissing of winfield though winfield has been better than henderson lately check the numbers winfield may surprise you he will have 3000 basehits and should have 500 homeruns when he retires wishful thiniking if he plays to 45 cars re 6700 for hail damage a record i was in the great storm my mazda mpv was damaged so bad they are going to replace the top doors and hood it is black so they will repaint the entire vehicle estimated cost around 7000 and repair time approx 3 to 4 weeks rremaley bcm tmc edu guns re batf achieved objective wants to move on in article 1rh9soinnimh cronkite central sun com dbernard clesun central sun com dave bernard writes in article 26844 convex com langston convex com kevin langston writes feustel netcom com david feustel writes everyone discussing why the batf did this or didnt do that is missing the point batf wanted to destroy koresh everything they did was consistent with that objective and having done that theyve declared victory by flying their flag over the ruins regardless of who started the firefight or fire i see the flag as nothing but arrogant not only arrogant but in plain bad taste as though they had defeated a difficult foe and done so with honor i understand reno does not own the batf doesnt bentsen a texas boy at that i believe why is not bentsen from treasury as much out front as reno is is he hiding behind her apron strings the batf got sat on pretty early on after the initial shooting was over it pretty much become the fbis show even that batf guy stopped showing up next to the speaker at the daily press conferences david veal university of tennessee division of continuing education pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed when you pushed me down the elevator shaft sometimes i get to thinking you dont love me anymore weird al yankovic medicine re persistent vs chronic in article 1rm29k i7t hsdndev harvard edu rind enterprise bih harvard edu david rind writes in article enea1 270493135255 enea apple com enea1 applelink apple com horace enea writes can anyone out there tell me the difference between a persistent disease and a chronic one for example persistent hepatitis vs chronic hepatitis i dont think there is a general distinction rather there are two classes of chronic hepatitis chronic active hepatitis and chronic persistent hepatitis i cant think of any other disease where the term persistent is used with or in preference to chronic much as these two terms chronic active and chronic persistent sound fuzzy the actual distinction between the two conditions is often fairly fuzzy as well i beg to differ chronic active hepatitis implies that the disease remains active and generally leads to liver failure at the very minimum the patient has persistently elevated liver enzymes what some call transaminitis chronic persistant hepatitis simply means that the patient has hbsag in his her blood and can transmit the infection but shows no evidence of progressive disease if i had to choose id much rather have the persistant type kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer guns re gun control proud to be a canuck in article 1pqsruinniae hp col col hp com dduff col hp com dave duff writes does anyone really believe the swiss have had no war within their borders because every adult male owns a rifle im a great admirer of the swiss but 500 years of peace on their turf has zilch to do with gun ownership can you picture hitler with panzers and focke wulfs poised on the border losing sleep over a few thousand expert rifleman sure the swiss population is and well was far larger than that i think your question should be losing sleep over a million expert riflemen certainly he could have conquered switzerland but a million armed militiamen especially in a mountainous area where tanks effectiveness is limited would have made it a real pain the question a conqueror would ask is is it worth the trouble the more difficult an invasion is the more likely the answer would be no certainly a million riflemen as opposed to a professional army of only ten or twenty thousand the best a country the size of switzerland could support makes invasions more difficult hitler stayed out of switzerland because the swiss run the money in this world really in 1939 im not even sure you could prove that today despite the steriotype certainly the swiss bankers were not essential to the german war time economy frank crary cu boulder windows re creating a batch file from windows nt in sasswb 737229720 k2 sasswb unx sas com scott bass writes i saw another post on this list the subject was something like is vi available for windows in which someone said that vi make awk and ksh was available with microsoft toolkit what is that product is it a separate product or part of windows ksh would do what i need if i could count on it at all nt sites i imagine that was the mks toolkit from mortice kern systems another third party add in and a good one too nick langmaid nick brimbank apana org au melbourne australia 61 3 336 3228 cars re options that would be great to have in article 93apr16 185510 36600 acs ucalgary ca parr acs ucalgary ca charles parr writes a list of options that would be useful they can be existing options on a car or things youd like to have 1 tripmeter great little gadget lets you keep rough track of mileage makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge 2 full size spare 3 built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors 4 a fitting that allows you to generate household current with the engine running and plug ins in the trunk engine compartment and cabin feel free to add on ok 5 how about a fuel gauge that really told you how much fuel was left like can i make it to where the gas is 1 14 or should i get gouged right here at 1 35 accurate to the tenth of a gallon would be great on contract to gk khalsa ncr engineering and manufacturing 16550 w bernardo dr 619 485 2460 san diego ca 92127 g k khalsa sandiego ncr com guns re newbie in article 0096b9bf eb6a4220 msu oscs montana edu icsgh339 msu oscs montana edu writes this is my first time on the network but i am very concerned with this incident in waco i will refrain from stating my opinions until after i have read the faq could someone tell me how to get this i must say that i believe the govt was wrong in the actions that they took in this situation as far as i know there is no faq for tpg somebody was working on one but i think it died in committee david veal university of tennessee division of continuing education pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed when you pushed me down the elevator shaft sometimes i get to thinking you dont love me anymore weird al yankovic windows re help with changing startup logo in article 1rgtba gtn access digex net farley access digex com charles u farley writes i know this is probably a faq but i installed the s w for my ati graphics card and it bashed my windows logo files when i start windows now it has the 3 0 logo instead of the 3 1 logo i thought the files that controlled this were windows system vgalogo rle windows system vgalogo lgo i restored these files but it didnt change the logo anyone know what the correct files are thanks somewhere ftp cica indiana edu or simtel20 mirror there is a program called winlogo zip that does the trick it works great i believe the reason why you cant change the files you mentioned is that the logo is actually imbeded into the windows executable somebody please correct expand on this eric farley access digex com charles u farley average iq of calgary board of ed employee 65 medicine re eumemics was eugenics a person posted certain stuff to this newsgroup which were highly selected quotes stripped of their context here is the complete posting which was quoted lacking the context of other postings in which it was made probably within 50 years a new type of eugenics will be possible maybe even sooner we are now mapping the human genome we will then start to work on manipulation of that genome using genetic engineering we will be able to insert whatever genes we want no breeding no hybrids etc the ethical question is should we do this should we make a race of disease free long lived arnold schwartzenegger muscled supermen even if we can probably within 50 years it will be possible to disassemble and re assemble our bodies at the molecular level not only will flawless cosmetic surgery be possible but flawless cosmetic psychosurgery what will it be like to store all the prices of shelf priced bar coded goods in your head and catch all the errors they make in the stores favor at safeway what will it be like to mentally edit and spell check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling vacation time share options indeed we are today a nation at risk the threat is not from bad genes but bad memes memes are the basic units of culture as opposed to genes which are the units of genetics we stand on the brink of new meme amplification technologies harmful memes which formerly were restricted in their destructive power will run rampant over the countryside laying waste to the real benefits that future technology has to offer for example jeremy rifkin has been busy trying to whip up emotions against the new genetically engineered tomatoes under development at calgene this guy is inventing harmful memes a virtual memetic typhoid mary we must expand the public health laws to include quarantine of people with harmful memes they should not be allowed to infect other people with their memes against genetically engineered food electromagnetic fields and the space shuttle solid rocket boosters windows re challenge to microsoft supporters mfischer ucsd edu mike fischer writes youre missing the main point of capitalism in the first place competition breeds excellence yes where commodities are concerned imagining that capitalist theorists had software in mind when they wrote their grand treatises on the main point of capitalism is non productive pete gontier ec technology gurgle netcom com religion re laws of god was re a kind and loving god mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee writes dpw sei cmu edu david wood writes mlee ra royalroads ca malcolm lee writes these laws written for the israelites gods chosen people whom god had expressly set apart from the rest of the world the israelites were a direct witness to gods existence to disobey god after knowing that god is real would be an outright denial of god and therefore immediately punishable remember these laws were written for a different time and applied only to gods chosen people but jesus has changed all of that we are living in the age of grace sin is no longer immediately punishable by death there is repentance and there is salvation through our lord jesus christ and not just for a few chosen people salvation is available to everyone jew and gentile alike sorry if this is late for the thread but i thought god was supposed to be constant and never changing how do you reconcile this common christian view with the paragraph above god never changes sorry but yes he does by your own description he still loves us sending jesus was one of his attempts to reconcile with mankind humorous this notion of an all knowing all powerful god who must attempt to reconcile with his lowly creations i realize that it is not possible to penetrate such logic but is there any chance that you might consider that an omnipotent god need not attempt anything and further that an attempt to reconcile implies a lack of omniscience what you are doing here is projecting human weaknesses onto your god also while were at it 1 how do you reconcile a kind and loving god with the judeo christian view that sin was at one time immediately punishable by death was killing people for sinning gods way of showing kindness and love sinning in the face of god was punishable by immediate death there are several ot passages to back this up god is god but all humans are sinners thus all pre jesus humans should have been punished with death we arent punished with sin now of course because god has changed he required a brutal sadistic sacrifice of his own blood in order to allow us to sin without immediate death he cannot tolerate the prescence of sin in his midst yet he does so now he has changed the sadistic murder of his own son has made him more tolerant of our sins besides his midst is everywhere so your statement is meaningless he tolerates sin in hell which surely is in his midst as well also given that he is all knowing he must have eternal knowledge of who will commit which sins as well as when and where so what does tolerance have to do with anything all of this is absolute nonsense unless your god is not indeed all knowing and all powerful or unless he doesnt take the personal interest in everyday affairs that you claim and the israelites knew this and still some of them chose to disobey and were destroyed were these people kind and loving themselves not relevant the claim of kindness and lovingness was made by you in reference to your god the nature of his creations victims is not at issue god gave them every break he could but in the end he really had no choice in the matter i see an all knowing god who did not know what the ultimate outcome would be and an all powerful god who had no choice in the matter mindmush seeing as how we were failing to achieve salvation on our own he sent his son to die for us to be the ultimate sin offering did i miss something did you give some indication at to why a kind and loving god should require sadistic human sacrifice to allow his own botched creations to achieve salvation 2 is the fact the he no longer does this an admission on his part of having made a mistake he sent his son as a consolation to us out of love i note that your answer physically follows my question but i fail to discern a connection between the two by the way for what am i being consoled 3 now that we are living in the age of grace does this mean that for our sins god now damns us to eternal hell after we die rather than killing us immediately if so is this eternal damnation an example of a kind and loving god hey lets be fair for a moment here kind and loving does not mean a free ride why not by the way i note for the record that you didnt answer the questions there is an amount of give and take as in any relationship parents are supposed to be kind and loving but does that mean that children can do whatever they want not part of being a parent means administering punishment when the child is at fault death and or eternal damnation is your idea of correctional punishment i hope you arent a parent part of being a parent means giving instruction god tests us through the trial of life such that we may grow stronger he teaches what is right and what is wrong this is quite an elaborate fantasy that youve constructed but sadly it lacks a basis in reality it also does not address the questions that i raised the consequences of our actions are made clear to us be it heaven or be it hell if god did not follow through with what he has warned us about he would not be a very good parent the god that you describe is not a good parent but a tyrant in parenting if a parent issues a warning but does not follow through with it the children will not take that parents words very seriously god does the same by telling us who have ears to hear what to do and what not to do by lifes trials we see the folly of doing our own will rather than his he warns us about the consequences of rejecting him when it comes time for judgement sorry was that the god of the bible whose rules i am to follow or the god of the koran the vedas the book of koresh oh yes its all so clear do we follow him i will bully for you windows why im not using dos 6 anymore in article 1993apr30 133425 6693 hubcap clemson edu charlea eng clemson edu writes regarding the horror stories about dos6 doubledisk and stacker 2 killing hard drives i was wondering if the dos 6 mirror command works on the doubled drive info as well as the normal fat table and partition table if it records the vital doubledisk info then using it daily should go a long way toward protecting yourself against the type of catastrophic failure discussed if it doesnt then shame on microsoft mirror is one of those dos commands that didnt survive the change from dos 5 0 its been dropped along with backup join edlin and a couple other crummy old dos commands you can still use the 5 0 commands if you absolutely have to but they are not included on the 6 0 distribution disks however in mirrors case im 99 9 certain that it does not know anything about doublespaced drives eric eric trepanier internet eric tgm cam org ci 71042 3207 55 grenon o laval quebec h7n 5m3 everybody has a right to believe in something canada 514 663 6929 i believe ill have another beer cars tires comparison eve i am looking to buy 4 new p195 50r15 tires r or hr i dont have much to spend but i would like a tire that will last does anyone have any experience with the following brands riken falken bfg general there are others but these i can find here for under 70 like i said i am mostly interested in threadwear then speed since i hardly get to drive them over 80 or 90 mph also is it true that noone will give you warranty on such tires according to a tire dealer finally do hr tires last longer than r tires threadwear again or is that strictly a speed factor thanks for any replies whatever doesnt kill me makes me stronger internet vpopesc calstatela edu bitnet vpopesc csla bitnet cars options that would be great to have a list of options that would be useful they can be existing options on a car or things youd like to have 1 tripmeter great little gadget lets you keep rough track of mileage makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge 2 full size spare 3 built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors 4 a fitting that allows you to generate household current with the engine running and plug ins in the trunk engine compartment and cabin feel free to add on regards charles x within the span of the last few weeks i have heard elements of separate threads which in that they have been conjoined in time struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd unknown net person baseball re kevin rogers hpcc01 rec sport baseball pjtier01 ulkyvx louisville edu 12 23 pm apr 14 1993 whats up with kevin rogers of san francisco i thought he was slated to be the fifth starter but hes only gotten a few relief appearences are they going with four starters for now or is someone else the fifth thanks p tierney giants have a five man rotation of john burkett trevor wilson bill swift jeff brantley and bud black dave burba black has been put on the 15 day disables and dave burba will take his starts baseball re bonilla jiann ming su writes bobby bonilla supposedly use the word faggot when he got mad at that author in the clubhouse should he be banned from baseball for a year like schott it wouldnt bother me david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions 1993 its on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the 411 guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 93110 165704u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes in article 1993apr19 203606 27625 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman says wrong there are people who can legally carry concealed in il and there are circumstances under which many people can carry concealed is accuracy really too much to expect as i said before no it isnt in another post i referred to the illinois statutes and how i looked up the law for concealed carry i will type in the complete law and post later but i would like to prove that i was correct using accurate information so i will put sections down here now good now lets look at those sections theyll prove my point a a person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons when he knowingly 4 carries or possesses in any vehicle or concealed on or about his person except when on his land or in his own abode or fixed place of business any pistol revolver stun gun or taser or other firearm note that this doesnt affect all concealed carry look after the word except it always helps to read the law before commenting on it would a prudent storekeeper carry concealed how about someone at home note that both are legal and a lot of common people qualify for one or the other andy medicine re prozac in c5l2x5 4b7 eis calstate edu agilmet eis calstate edu adriana gilmete writes can anyone help me find any information on the drug prozac i am writing a report on the inventors eli lilly and co and the product i need as much help as i can get thanks a lot adriana gilmete pdr and cps are good places to starts do a medline search lots of interesting debates going on remember when prozac was impicated in suicidal behaviour steve z cars re integra gsr quad 4 reliable yeah whats your definition of reliable if thats reliable then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect not to mention a hell of alot smoother and quieter balance shafts the acura has the engine wins the reliablity contest hands down you can rev that car all day everyday and youll never blow a hose or crack the block or anything else i speak from expierence im not saying the quad 4 is a bad engine but dont highlight reliability when you comparing it to a acura engine and while the integra costs alot more it is a a couple of things blowing a hose doesnt speak of engine reliability and while it is true that quad4s have a problem with head gasket leaks that was a design flaw in the gasket and has been corrected also i know pontiac is replacing head gaskets that leak for free for 6year 60k miles other than that i have found my quad4 to be completely solid and the direct ignition system means no wires rotor rotor cap to ever deal with also hydrolic lifters mean no valve adjustments ever im not badmouthing the integra engine i just think you are going overboard on slamming the quad4 you are quite correct that the integra engine is quieter although i would not say smoother my quad4 loves to rev especially at the high end do you have any evidence of blocks cracking on quad4s i have not heard of this guns re photographers removed from compound in article c5wjfz bus news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes i find this disturbing good keep thinking critically dont patronize me and i wont patronize you feel free to patronize me all you like i need the tips seriously if you were insulted i apologize the most tiresome thing about this group is that so many people tell others they are sucking up to the government when ever they decide that something the government says is plausible and praise them as independent thinkers whenever they find something the government says implausible people are sucking up to the government when they decide that only the things the government says are plausible especially if they refuse to consider reasonable alternatives however from what i saw plastered all over the tv news last night its no longer necessary to be an independent thinker to depart from the governments party line it looks like our independent press may actually be starting to be earn its clothes allowance this to me is a good sign i hope it continues heres a clue independent thinkers are able to come to either conclusion depending on the circumstances non critical thinkers are the ones who would always come to the same type of conclusion regardless of the circumstances independent thinkers question authority in a situation where only one set of facts are being presented coming to a conclusion is not the hallmark of an independent thinker unless its coupled with the ability to challenge those facts critically the scientific method consists of more than choosing the popular hypothesis its even more than choosing between two hypotheses that other people have proposed cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet guns re some more about gun control in article 23apr199302461670 zeus tamu edu djh4484 zeus tamu edu harty daniel joseph writes a well regulated militia being necessarry to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed what is regulated regulated means controlled how about security while it may mean that in 1993 the relevant meaning comes from 1789 moreover controlled doesnt tell you whos doing the controllling fletchers political works pubd in 1749 defines a well regulated militia that being the relevant phrase as being an armed people not under the control of govt the wigged gents who argued about the constituion used it in that way feel free to provide a 1790s era reference showing a usage other than individual right not to be interfered with by govt note that the first clause has a meaning it is a restriction on govt military power see scarrys university of penn law review article for an extended discussion the existence of a well regulated militia is a necessary part of that restriction but it is not sufficient andy religion re is it good that jesus died in article 1993apr17 010734 23670 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 wrote the truth is is that it is not some sort of magic spell the truth is is that you do not understand it and enjoy not understanding it im curious about this statement is it a known understanding amongst christian believers that people who dont understand the christian doctrines are enjoying this state i come from a background with a heavy christian teaching lutheran church and consider myself knowledgeable with the basic understandings of christianity at the same time im not proud of things i dont understand or know of at this point of time ignorance is not bliss cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net windows running c exe under windows 3 1 preface i am a novice user at best to the windows environment i am trying to execute a ms c 7 0 executable program which accesses a btrieve database to build an ascii file when i execute it under windows the screen goes blank and my pc locks up the only way for me to return is to reset the machine does anyone have any insight on what i may have to do in order for the program to correctly under windows by the way it runs fine in dos 5 0 system gateway 486 dx250 ati graphics ultra card 640x480 any help would be greatly appreciated rodger windows rfd comp databases access this is an official rfd for the creation of a new newsgroup for the general discussion of the microsoft access rdms name comp databases access moderation unmoderated at this time no need for a moderator has been assertained future evaluation will determine if one is needed purpose access is a new rdbms for the windows operating system it includes wysiwyg design tools for easy creation of tables reports forms and queries and a database programming language called access basic the purpose of the group will be to provide help to people who use accesss wysiwyg design tools to create simple databases as well as to people who use access basic to create complex databases rationale eventhough access is a new rdbms it is very popular because of its graphical development enviroment and its initial low price been a version 1 0 product means that all access users are novices for that reason a newsgroup is needed where access users can discuss their experiences with the product and answer each others questions napoleon mau herky cs uiowa edu religion lds hals reply in article c51nls 7as boi hp com hall boi hp com hal leifson writes dr englands story deleted it was a nice read the first time through now lead the church i for one do not wish to be labelled christian if those who profess themselves as christians attack my beliefs because they are intollerent for example of the way my religion may interpret biblical scriptures of the same source to have a different meaning and implication than mainstream christianity would give it it isnt so much a matter of interpretation of bible texts that sets mormonism apart from orthodoxy as it is a matter of fabrication about 20 years ago national lampoon had some comic strips in them that were drawn by neal adams they were called son o god comics it was a parody of the jesus in the bible in the comic there were a group of thirteen jewish kids from brooklyn and when one of them said the magic word he turned into son o god he went from a myopic curly headed yarmulke wearing boy to a replica of the stylizied portraits of jesus with long flowing brown hair and gentile features now if someone were to profess faith in this natlamp jesus and claim that they were a christian because they believed in this natlamp jesus we would have to say that this was fallacious since this jesus was a fabrication and did not really exist this is the exact same thing that the lds do when they claim that they are christian they profess faith in jesus but the jesus that they profess to have faith in is as much a fabrication as the natlamp jesus was robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu religion re a kind and loving god in article 1993apr20 143754 643 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote i understand and sympathize with your pain what happened in waco was a very sad tradgedy dont take it out on us christians though the branch davidians were not an organized religion they were a cult led by a ego maniac cult leader the christian faith stands only on the shoulders of one man the lord of lords and king of kings jesus christ btw david koresh was not jesus christ as he claimed the interesting notion is that i watched tv tonight koresh never claimed officially to be jesus christ his believers hoped that he would be but he never took this standpoint himself he was more interested in breaking the seven seals of revelation and make sure that armageddon would start well it did and 19 children died and no god saved them kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net medicine re cure for dry skin jlecher pbs org writes in article 1rmn0c 83v morrow stanford edu mou nova1 stanford edu alex mou writes hi all my skin is very dry in general but the most serious part is located from knees down the skin there looks like segmented the segmentation actually happens beneath the skin i would like to know if there is any cure for this as a matter of fact i just saw a dermatologist the other day and while i was there i asked him about dry skin id been spending a small fortune on various creams lotions and other dry skin treatments he said all i needed was a large jar of vaseline soak in a lukewarm tub of water for 10 minutes only 10 minutes then massage in the vaseline to trap the moisture in that is the standard advice in dermatology texts the soak part greatly increases the inconvenience dont bother unless it doesnt work otherwise the hard part will be finding the time to rub in the vaseline properly exactly but it adds to the ritual aspect which is important for us suggestible patients posters dont bother to repeat the rationale for the soak if its not done right you remain greasy and stick greasy no matter what vaseline generically petrolatum is famous for that one text states that the more greasy a dry skin cream is the more effective try it its got to be cheaper then spending 30 for 8 oz of natural lotion try usp lanolin at least for maintenance preventive therapy usp lanolin is natural and much less greasy and cheap dont buy the more expensive perfumed lanolin mixture as ive commented before petrolatum is a poorly characterized mixture of hydrocarbons which are not found in biological systems that is not inherently bad but smell it up close even on your hand are partially absorbed into the body and remain there for months or more and have associations with cancer dont panic but also dont believe its gods gift to the human skin oren haber schaim religion catholic lit crit of a s s in article 1qevbh h7v agate berkeley edu dzkriz ocf berkeley edu dennis kriz writes a lot of religious opinions and quotations from the bible and from many catholic theologians and papal bulls which although introduced with a smiley was not as funny as it might have been notable exception subject headers such as ones dick is ones instrument of redemption and indeed the posting seemed to be more a vehicle for the religious text than for any literary moral analysis i am surprised and saddened i would expect this kind of behavior from the evangelical born again gospel thumping in your face were the only true christian protestants but i have always thought that catholics behaved better than this friend dennis i urge you to follow the example of your fellow catholics of who i count many dozens as my friends and practice your faith through good example and decent living and respect for the common humanity of others please do not stoop to the level of the e b a g t i y f w t o t c protestants who think that the best way to witness is to be strident intrusive loud insulting and overbearingly self righteous the imagery in the song of solomon is a little bit dated get it middle east date palms oh never mind but apparently acceptable on a steaminess level to be accepted as part of the canon from this fact i derive that erotica itself is not incompatible with catholic doctrine is there such a thing as catholic erotica not necessarily a love story between people of that faith but a love story that is not exploitative does not seek redemption through penis size pays proper respect to the dignity of each partner and is still erotic enough to have a place on a s s i would submit that the darknites series of stories qualify also most of the journal entries and rings i and ii i would guess that your aim is to cut down on the pornography and increase the erotica i actually agree with you that nearly all of the ive got an enormous dick and i shot my wad all over her face stories are crap i count them as noise which makes my take on the signal to noise ration much lower than many other peoples since you are one of the few posters here who can actually write decent prose could you write a few stories for us instead of overwhelming us with commentary anyway this is a big subject please add your comments additions and observations sincerely dennis dzkriz ocf berkeley edu thank you jeff foster mtechca maintech com guns cdn gun laws moderator nice summary keith thanks i talked to the federal dept of justice doj ottawa to try and clarify a bunch of things regarding changes to canadian gun laws i am posting here for informational purposes questions to email followup to t p g 1 it is still technically feasible but almost impossible to get a concealed carry permit in canada this is contrary to what i was told by a police officer 2 it is still legal to use lethal force such as a firearm to protect life also contrary to what the officer told me guns must be stored locked up and unloaded however 3 regarding hi capacity magazines it is still not clear who will be exempt or how this will be managed this is up to each province the general idea is that exempt persons will receive a letter form authorizing them to possess the high capacity magazines apparently the authorization is to specify how many of these prohibited weapons you will be allowed to possess dealers will be allowed to order high capacity mags for those allowed to possess them but will not be allowed to stock them 4 high capacity magazines converted to comply with the new limits will not be considered prohibited weapons amendments to the regulations specify some possible methods to alter the magazines some manufacturers beretta will be marketing reduced capacity magazines god knows how much theyll charge for these this covers most of what we discussed i have typed this from memory do not take it as gospel i am not a lawyer and i refuse to play one on tv keith p de solla p eng ipsc ontario oha nfa sfc ofah keith orion ic cmc ca frontenac rifle and pistol club medicine re allergic reactions against laser printers in article 1993apr29 124806 4599 informatik tu muenchen de rdd uts ipp garching mpg de reinhard drube writes does anyone know about allergic reactions caused by the developer toner of laser printers what chemical stuff is involved mainly carbon dust with iron in a plastic binder that is melted on to the paper same stuff as dry paper photocopiers allergies havent heard of any but anythings possible with allergies kay klier biology dept uni medicine re how to diagnose lyme really in article 1993apr12 201056 20753 ns1 cc lehigh edu mcg2 ns1 cc lehigh edu marc gabriel writes now im not saying that culturing is the best way to diagnose its very hard to culture bb in most cases the point is that dr n has developed a feel for what is and what isnt ld this comes from years of experience no serology can match that unfortunately some would call dr n a quack and accuse him of trying to make a quick buck why do you think he would be called a quack the quacks dont do cultures they poo poo doing more lab tests this is lyme believe me ive seen it many times the lab tests arent accurate well treat it now also is dr ns practice almost exclusively devoted to treating lyme patients i dont know any orthopedic surgeons who fit this pattern they are usually gps gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars re warped brake discs on 91 taurus l in article 1993apr14 225821 13000 advtech uswest com joe advtech uswest com joe thielen writes xref sun1x rec autos 5997 misc consumers 3163 newsgroups rec autos misc consumers path sun1x actcnews psinntp psinntp uunet wupost zaphod mps ohio state edu magnus acs ohio state edu csn cherokee joe from joe advtech uswest com joe thielen subject re warped brake discs on 91 taurus l message id 1993apr14 225821 13000 advtech uswest com sender news advtech uswest com radio free boulder nntp posting host absoraka advtech uswest com organization u s west advanced technologies references 1993apr8 161136 8994 bcrka451 bnr ca dmerrill 130493170436 47 140 3 216 1993apr14 132206 19001 ryn mro4 dec com date wed 14 apr 1993 22 58 21 gmt lines 23 in article 1993apr14 132206 19001 ryn mro4 dec com balsamo stargl enet dec com antonio l balsamo save the wails writes from dmerrill bnr ca dana merrill subject re warped brake discs on 91 taurus l anyone else had the same problem well i have an 92 taurus gl apparently they still havent fixed the problem with the rotors ive got 26k miles on the clock and im getting the rotors and pads replaces tonight at my expense of course tony i owned a ford mustang 4 that had endless brake problems the bad thing was that it had all other kinds of problems too spent 2 months in the shop in the first 2 years i owned it bought new so i got rid of it and will more than likely not buy a ford product in the future the thing that really ticked me off was how ford treated me they were such jerks it was unbelievable joe in the past few years i have owned 3 mustang gts and now own a 91 t bird sc they all have had this problem there was a recall on the t bird for the brake problem the ford dealer replaced the rotors and pads but the rotors warp after about 10k miles between this problem and the fit and finish problems on the t bird ill never buy a ford again bruce s winters bsw utrc utc com united technologies research center e hartford ct usa religion re new religion forming sign up andrew bulhak ins559n aurora cc monash edu au wrote jim kasprzak kasprj isaac its rpi edu wrote in article 4z5wqc rpi edu weinss rs6101 ecs rpi edu stephen andrew weinstein writes so what is kibology chopped liver kibo himself summed it up by saying kibology is not just a religion it is also a candy mint and a floor wax i personally think that it is more like spam clear im presently searching for enlightenment answers to the unanswerable a certain amount of direction without actually going anywhere could kibology be it i dont know enough about kibology and wish that someone can help me after ive spread my ninth tube of anchovy paste on my living room wall to creat my own form of art i need some higher authority to turn towards to give my life some meaning maybe kibology is the answer its either that or i go out to the store and buy up another case of anchovy paste medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr27 233234 2929 magnus acs ohio state edu wvhorn magnus acs ohio state edu william vanhorne writes newsgroups sci energy sci image processing sci anthropology alt sci physics new theories sci skeptic sci med alt alien visitors path unidus rz uni duesseldorf de rrz uni koeln de gmd de newsserver jvnc net howland reston ans net zaphod mps ohio state edu magnus acs ohio state edu wvhorn from wvhorn magnus acs ohio state edu william vanhorne subject re krillean photography message id 1993apr27 233234 2929 magnus acs ohio state edu sender news magnus acs ohio state edu nntp posting host bottom magnus acs ohio state edu organization the ohio state university references 1993apr26 204319 11231 ultb isc rit edu c64mvg boi usenet ucs indiana edu c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu date tue 27 apr 1993 23 32 34 gmt lines 33 xref unidus rz uni duesseldorf de sci energy 6430 sci image processing 2668 sci anthropology 2183 alt sci physics new theories 1762 sci skeptic 18848 sci med 18773 alt alien visitors 10138 in article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alex vuse vanderbilt edu alexander p zijdenbos writes reading through the posts about kirlian whatever spelling photography i couldnt help but being slightly disgusted by the narrow minded i know it all i dont believe what i cant see or measure attitude of many people out there i am neither a real believer nor a disbeliever when it comes to so called paranormal stuff but as far as im concerned it is just as likely as the existence of for instance a god which seems to be quite accepted in our societies without any scientific basis i am convinced that it is a serious mistake to close your mind to something anything simply because it doesnt fit your current frame of reference history shows that many great people great scientists were people who kept an open mind and were ridiculed by sceptics especially the usa should be grateful after all columbus did not drop off the edge of the earth it is one thing to be open minded about phenomona that have not be demonstrated to be false and quite another to believe in something like krilian photography where all the claimed effects have be demonstrated to be artifacts there is no longer any reason to adopt a wait and see attitude about krilian photography it has been experimentally shown to be nothing but simple coronal discharge the auras shown by missing leaf parts came from moisture left by the original whole leaf for example thats what science is son bill vanhorne guns riddle me something else on the other hand i wonder if with a face full of massive amounts of cs i would be able to escape a burning tinder box like that ranch house assuming my best efforts what ever happened to the adobe fortress i kept hearing about i thought this was a cult stronghold if the kgbatf knew it was a tinderbox why didnt they just have all the talking heads line up and start huffin and puffin random cars re most bang for between 13 000 and 16 000 jmh hopper virginia edu jeffrey hoffmeister writes in article 1993apr6 200200 29965 progress com damelio progress com stephen damelio writes rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu robert j wade writes theres only one car that really fits your needs its spelled 5 0 liter mustang sports car butm my mothers 88 gt was considered a sports car i still cant quite figure that out since when do plastic add ons make a car a sports car jeff were talking about insurance agents from bumf k illinois st farm is hqed in bloomington what the hell do they know about cars both are sports cars chintan amin the university of illinois urbana champaign mail llama uiuc edu because he was human because he had goodness because he was moral they called him insane peart cinderella man baseball re royals in randall 734911319 moose randall informix com randall rhea writes the royals are darkness they are the void of our time when they play shame descends upon the land like a cold front from canada they are a humiliation to all who have lived and all who shall ever live they are utterly and completely doomed other than that i guess theyre ok oh lighten up what depresses me is that they might actually finish last which i believe hasnt happened since their second season in 1970 never mind that gubizca is 0 2 with a 16 50 era gardner at 7 50 our main recent acquisitions lind mcreynolds jose are averaging 210 david cone is 0 2 about how he was doing in kc before joining the mets several years ago our hitting sucks and our pitching has collapsed and weve won one game at home theyve won more games in their first ten games than last year and brian mcrae is actually batting over the mendoza line rich cars 1993 honda civic id like to converse with anyone who has purchased a 1993 honda civic about their experience im new to the car buying game and would like to know what price i can expect to pay for a sedan after bargaining thanks in advance ellen religion re christian daemons biblical demons the update in article 1993apr1 024850 20111 sradzy uucp radzy sradzy uucp t o radzykewycz writes swaim owlnet rice edu michael parks swaim writes 666 the file permission of the beast radzy sradzy uucp t o radzykewycz writes sorry but the file permission of the beast is 600 and the file permission of the home directory of the beast is 700 boylan sltg04 ljo dec com steve boylan writes hey radzy it must depend on your systems access policy i get ls lg usr users total 3 drwxrwxrwx 22 beast system 1536 jan 01 1970 beast drwxr x x 32 boylan users 2048 mar 31 09 08 boylan drwxr xr x 2 guest users 512 sep 18 1992 guest su password root su beast beast umask 111 beast d root d just a minute grep beast etc passwd beast k5tuk76rauogq 497 0 not walt disney usr users beast mv usr users beast profile usr users beast profile echo umask 077 usr users beast profile cat usr users beast profile chmod 700 usr users beast mv mailrc mailrc echo beast logged in mail radzy sradzy jack sns com mv mailrc mailrc mv usr users beast profile usr users beast profile d chmod 777 usr users beast profile cat usr users beast profile usr users beast profile waits a while finally gets mail i think you made a mistake check it again i see youre not running ultrix steve dont miss the 49th new england folk festival april 23 25 1993 in natick massachusetts windows wordbasic time date variables im writing a mail management system using word for windows 2 0 as a front end the user dials up a remote system and downloads a batch of mail as foo txt ive set up an autoexec macro in winword to load foo txt ok but subsequent invocations of the macro will of course pose file name contention problems what id really like to do is to create an autoexit macro in winword that would move foo txt to a specified directory rename it using the current date and time and delete the original foo txt in other words foo txt gets renamed as 5012300 say on may 1 at 23 00 the user gets a time indexed backup of his mail files and foo txt is freed up for the next packet of mail since my autoexec macro points to it my main question is this how may one rename a file from within a wordbasic macro to include a time date variable in the new filename thanks if you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking a beer i bet it makes beer shoot out of your nose jack handey erich w lantz ewl world std com timberville va dod 0815 religion re rosicrucian order s kent with all due respect how can i take you seriously when you have the names wrong in the 1st place e g the san jose rc ordo rosae crucis there is no such thing the correct name is ancient mystical order rosae crucis abbreviated amorc and the rocicrusian order created by max heindel there is no such thing either its the rosicrucian fellowship and they clearly state that they do not pretend to descend from the order of the fama fraternitatis in addition there are many splinter groups all around europe that all claim some connection with the original group supposedly founded in the middle ages the lectorium and who else some freemason groups also have rosicrucian like separate groups even if they are far from the ideologies the rc groups have somehow in common these are not rosicrucian orders they are masonic study groups none of which claims to be descendant of the original order we might compete about how much time we have spent with this let me start i was part of the orc for about 8 years kent what is orc if you mean amorc you didnt even learn the correct name tony medicine re homeopathy a respectable medical tradition in article 19609 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article 3794 nlsun1 oracle nl rgasch nl oracle com robert gasch writes in many european countries homepathy is accepted as a method of curing or at least alleiating many conditions to which modern medicine has no answer in most of these countries insurance pays for the treatments accepted by whom not by scientists there are people in every country who waste time and money on quackery in britain and scandanavia where i have worked it was not paid for what are most of these countries i dont believe you when were you in britain my information is different from miranda castro the complete homeopathy handbook isbn 0 312 06320 2 oringinally published in britain in 1990 from page 10 and in 1946 when the national health service was established homeopathy was included as an officially approved method of treatment guns handgun restrictions i would like to know what restrictions there are on purchasing handguns ie waiting periods background check etc in the states of nevada and oregon thanks bill bill anderson bbs billand tsoft net cars re wife wants convertible nuet ke pts mot com keith nuetzman x3153 p7625 writes help my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car we live in south fla so we are definitely in the right are for one my wife has mentioned the miata but i think it is too small i would like to wait for the new mustangs dec 93 i think anyone have any opinions on any all convertibles in a reasonable price range thanx the olds supreme convertible got high marks in c ds recent test if you can get by the stupid body moldings and stuff the saab 900 ragtop may be out of your range but its a good choice is there a new f car convertible the nissan 240sx convertible is a nice car also those immediately come to mind chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart c 1981 quick to judge quick to anger slow to understand ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand religion re an invisible god in article 1993apr17 152833 7811 maths tcd ie pmoloney maths tcd ie paul moloney writes jmeritt mental mitre org jim meritt system admin writes god can be seen and i will take away my hand and thou shalt see my backparts wot gods a mooner such lunacy gee maybe theres something in this christianity thing after all maybe god is john belushi from animal house the supernatural one wants to have a personal relationship with you jhvh 1 come quick cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article 1993apr24 150653 8115 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu brian j queiser writes flat 180 deg v horizonatlly opposed usually it also equals boxer however i think the term is traditionally reserved for 8s and 12s and firing order matters this was talked about here in r a many months back i cant remember the consensus examples ferraris 512tr is a flat 12 boxer porsches 911 is a flat 6 subarus impreza is a flat 4 regards brian bmws boxer twin no two wheelers here been around since 1923 i think the other examples are johnny come latelies i may be wrong so no flames please jeff goss guns re nature of the waco gas in a previous article dbernard clesun central sun com dave bernard says just heard on the network radio news a spokesman from the army saying that the type of cs gas used in waco had been banned from military use its use is also banned by a draft international agreement on the use of chemical weapons in warfare the reason given was that the use causes extreme nausea blindness disorientation total irrationality raging paranoia i dont know about the paranoia and irrationality but the rest is pretty close all though you left out the inability to breath of course you can make a claim that people will do some fairly deranged things to get away from it ive seen teenagers flatten 200lb drill sergeants to get out of tents full of it which raises another issue children would be all the more susceptible and show the results all the earlier this is the stuff janet reno was told would be safe for children what they didnt mention is that in the open it probably wouldnt do too much harm to children although i wouldnt use it in close proximity to infants on the other hand in confined spaces the effects are greatly intensified to the point of lethality since a sufficient quantity of cs will displace oxygen when running a cs chamber careful attention is paid to ventilation i wonder if they checked to see if any of the bds were asthmatics or suffered from other respiratory diseases i doubt it if you were smarter youd have these opinions baseball re 200 sbs 200 hrs dans fore csd sgi com dan steinman writes last night on the giants mets radio broadcast hank and ted were discussing the fact that there were only 16 players who had ever hit 200 homeruns and stolen 200 bases in their career while hojo was batting anyone have a list not as easy as it sounds to come up with all of them i couldnt mays mantle aaron henderson morgan bonds dad frank robinson molitor yount guessing now id be interested to see the whole list first please watch your line lengths not everyone has autowrap second franklin to the rescue heres the list player hr sb aaron 755 240 mays 660 338 frobinson 586 204 rjackson 563 228 winfield 406 216 dawson 377 304 baylor 338 285 bobonds 332 461 wynn 291 225 strawberry 280 201 morgan 268 689 pinson 256 309 yount 235 247 kgibson 208 253 sandberg 205 297 players marked with an are still active numbers through 1991 thats only 15 the 16th is probably rickey henderson who was listed at 184 hr 994 sb or george brett listed as 186 sb 291 hr the surprises probably reggie bayor and wynn for steals maybe morgan to a lot of people for homers i was kind of surprised to realize that sandberg has that many steals though i wasnt surprised that the number was 200 mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com dreams are real while they last can we say more of life havelock ellis cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all tim in article 1993mar29 161044 1 uncavx unca edu bwillard uncavx unca edu wrote 8 saab 900 ignition is on floor actually this started as a great idea before steering column locks became popular saab installed a gearshift lock put the car in reverse remove the key and the car stays in reverse also suppose you get into your car and a thug comes up and demands your keys at gunpoint you hand them over he gets in and has no idea where to put the key at this he will run away or perhaps shoot you anyway i heard this actually happened somewhere btw i hear that the saab 900s new successor will have the ignition on the console between the seats where it belongs a laszlo csd4 csd uwm edu redhead afficionado extraordinaire and v little canadias minister of fine tobaccos o 0 cigaret brands sampled 55 import luxury 17 handrolling these opinions are not necessarily mine or mine either can anyone bum me a sig medicine hypoglycemia from anello adcs00 fnal gov anthony anello can anyone tell me if a bloodcount of 40 when diagnosed as hypoglycemic is dangerous i e indicates a possible pancreatic problem one dr says no the other not his specialty says the first is negligent and that another blood blood glucose levels of 40 or so are common several hours after a big meal this level will usually not cause symptoms test should be done also what is a good diet what has worked for a hypo glycemic if you mean reactive hypoglycemia there are usually no symptoms hence there is no disease hence the dietary recommendations are the same as for anyone else if a patient complains of dizziness faintness sweating palpitations etc reliably several hours after a big meal the recommendations are obvious eat smaller meals slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein cars re extensions in article 1993apr22 114401 7152 ericsson se etxmst sta ericsson se writes i was wondering what the country extension are sometimes i just dont have a clue from where some people are writing these are the extensions i know of ch switzerland se sweden fi finland uk uk com us edu us are both com and edu us fr france please feel free to add to this list markus nz new zealand au australia jp japan kr korea woobin lee image computing system lab woobin u washington edu guns re bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks in article 1r6p8oinn8hi clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras wrote i have not made up my mind about waco but there sure seems to be a group of devoted government following fanatics willing to believe whatever that government wants to tell them without any shred of doubt nor thought of thier own they sure get shrill whenever their belief structure is being shaken kinda reminds you of the bds doesnt it jim go to hell im no government following fanatic your sweeping generalizations evince your own ignorance what were they supposed to do just let him be fuck him fuck the atf too they shouldve done it right the first time joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu baseball twins update 4 22 twins update posted april 22 1993 the twins defeated the milwaukee brewers 5 4 today to conclude a three game homestand with the brew crew the twins took two of three games in the series with scores as follows tuesday april 20th mn 10 mil 0 winning pitcher banks 2 0 wednesday april 21st mil 10 10 mn 8 lp hartley 0 1 thursday april 22nd mn 5 mil 4 wp deshaies 4 0 sa aguilera highlight low lights of the series jim deshaies continues to be the surprise of not only the twins but of the american league as well going into todays game deshaies was 3 0 with a 1 74 era deshaies allowed 2 earned runs in 6 2 3 innings meaning his era will climb slightly deshaies who came to mn via a trade with philadelphia which sent david west there continues to make andy macphail look like a true genius willie banks has put together two solid starts for the twins going 6 1 innings on monday while coasting on solid twins hitting deshaies and banks now combine for 6 of the twins eight victories while tapani mahomes erickson are 0 5 wednesdays game marked the first opposing left handed starting pitcher for the twins this year rickey bones the twins teed off against both him and subsequent relief including a grand slam by kent hrbek which pushed the lead to 7 3 the twins pitching staff could not hold the lead though allowing 4 walks in the 7th inning 2 of which scored and coming with bases loaded tapani gave up one walk before being relieved guthrie two walks and mike hartley one walk before the inning was over this tied the game at 7 7 and the brew crew rocked mike hartley for 3 runs in the top of the tenth to win it aguilera continues to be shaky against the brew crew 6 of 20 career blown saves have come against the brew crew and todays game was shaky as well coming into the ninth with a 5 2 lead aguilera gave up a solo hr to vaughn then hits to darryl hamilton and dickie thon before finally retiring the side once again the tying run made it to second base on aggie weak hearted twins fans are advised not to watch aggie in the ninth general news pedro munoz continues to improve as an outfielder playing in left field on tuesdays game he continues to bat weakly against right handed pitching though which has limited his playing time gene larkin and jt bruett former gopher have been playing right field as both can bat left handed the twins begin a three game series with the detroit tigers tomorrow starting pitching is tentatively scheduled as erickson mahomes banks the detroit tigers have had two 20 run games in the last ten days and should provide quite a challenge to the young mn pitching staff the twins have 9 hrs this year three each from puckett hrbek and winfield the third fourth and fifth batters respectively brian harper pegged 4 of the first 6 baserunners attempting to steal second this year and shows much improvement in this category jim deshaies has three pick offs and one balk this year some say he has the best 1st base move in baseball this move has enabled him to pitch out of some tight early jams and has certainly contributed to his 4 0 start watch to see if umpiring crews began calling the balk more tightly in response to opposing team complaints about his leg kicking behind the rubber on the pick off move current mlb al west standings from joesph hernandez jtchern ocb berkeley edu american west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road california angels 08 04 667 7 3 won 2 05 02 03 02 texas rangers 08 05 615 0 5 5 5 lost 2 04 02 04 03 minnesota twins 07 06 538 1 5 6 4 lost 1 04 04 03 02 chicago white sox 06 07 462 2 5 4 6 won 1 02 03 04 04 seattle mariners 06 08 429 3 0 4 6 won 1 04 03 02 05 oakland athletics 05 07 417 3 0 3 7 lost 1 05 03 00 04 kansas city royals 05 09 357 4 0 5 5 won 3 03 05 02 04 windows window start up position for app how how do you set up an app to give its window a default start up position and size mike hayes knowledge is good faber college motto www knowledge and thoroughness rensselear poly motto unemployed tech no thank you groucho marx a day at the races driven to banging my head against engineering physics for 4 years guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 1qvff6inn9p4 clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras says in article 93109 172450u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz it is kind of funny though how you were the only one who picked up the part about my sister being a social worker and keeping me up to date on the gang thing everyone else seemed to just skim by that part jason i guess that just means everyone else was mistaken jim jmd handheld com actually not jim i just said that everyone else seemed to have skimmed by that part and not mentioned it you can get whatever meaning you want from it jason baseball todd worrell update according to an article in the la times todd worrell will not be ready to come off the dl list friday it sounds like he has had another set back in his come back at present he has stopped throwing the ball supposedly he had no velocity it doesnt sound like there is any particular time table at this point for when he will be back dodger baseball seeking all star game info ok ok ok first my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request but here goes anyhow im very interested in finding out how i might be able to get two tickets for the all star game in baltimore this year my very aged folks live about 50 miles away and i know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game i went with them and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child to the all star game in dc many years ago although im now in the sf bay area id love to be able to treat my folks to this game its absolutely the last chance theyd ever have to attend this g ame locally any info would be greatly appreciated mary cole mcole informix com religion re disillusioned protestant finds christ in article c5kxdd k4j boi hp com jburrill boi hp com jim burrill wrote if jesus never taught the concept of the trinity how do you deal with the following mat 28 18 then jesus came to them and said all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me mat 28 19 therefore go and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit mat 28 20 and teaching them to obey everything i have commanded you and surely i am with you always to the very end of the age jim please thats a lame explanation of the trinity that jesus provides above baptizing people in the name of three things trinity if this is the case then im wrong i assumed that trinity implies that god is three entities and yet the same cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net guns re riddle me this on the subject of cs cn tear gas when i received my initial introduction to tear gas the first thing that came to mind was the location of the exit if there had been anything in the way corners to negotiate doors to open or any other obstacles to movement i would have had a difficult time exiting the chamber and any concentration of tear gas is hazardous to individuals with respiratory problems and the wearing of soft contact lenses in a tear gas contaminated area is considered a real bad idea so hoping the bds would peaceably come strolling out the door after being gassed is a bit unrealistic if they could have found the door having them staggering out retching wouldnt be too far fetched throw in the factor of 50 51 days of being under siege and subject to psychological warfare and all bets on functional abilities are off anybody tried to get amnesty international to jump in on this one james s cochrane when in danger or in doubt run in this space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles scream and shout for rent baseball quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb jayson stark i trhink thats him fits perfectly in this category anyone who writes dean palmer has 2 homers at this pace hell have 324 home runs should be shot if at the end of april he has 11 and anyone writes at this pace hell have 100 homers they shouldbe shot too bob gaj religion re rw is robert weiss the only orthodox christian in article 93111 074840librba byuvm bitnet librba byuvm bitnet writes rick anderson writes ra robert you keep making references to orthodox belief and saying ra things like it is held that cf kermit thread on what ra exact body of theology are you drawing for what you call orthodox orthodox is a compound word it comes from orthos straight true right and from doxa opinion doctrine teaching i use orthodox to refer to right teaching right teaching is derived from letting god speak to us through the bible this can be from reading simple truths in the scriptures and by using the bible to interpret the bible ra who is that holds that luke meant what you said he meant i think that it is apparent from reading the scriptures that are pertinent luke 23 43 records christs promise to the repentant thief who hung on an adjacent cross truly i say to you today you will be with me in paradise but was it not until later that christ rose from the dead and ascended to heaven if christ himself was not in heaven until sunday how could the repentant thief have been there with him the answer lies in the location of paradise when jesus died apparently paradise was not exalted to heaven until easter day jesus refers to it in the middle of the story of the rich man and lazarus as abrahams bosom to which the godly beggar lazarus was carried by the angels after his decease luke 16 19 31 thus abrahams bosom referred to the place where the souls of the redeemed waited till the day of christs resurrection it was not yet lifted to heaven but it may well have been a section of hades hebrew sheol reserved for believers who had died in the faith but would not be admitted into the glorious presence of god in heaven until the price of redemption had actually been paid on calvary or even that none would precede the presence of jesus back to glory with the father doubtless it was the infernal paradise that the souls of jesus and the repentant thief repaired after they each died on friday afternoon but on sunday after the risen christ had first appeared to mary magdalene john 20 17 and her two companions matthew 28 9 presumably he then took up with him to glory all the inhabitants of infernal paradise including abraham lazarus and the repentant thief we read in ephesians 4 8 concerning christ ascending on high he led captivity captive he gave gifts unto men verse 9 continues but what does he ascended mean but that he also descended to the lowest parts of the earth i e to hades verse 10 adds he who descended is the same as he who ascended above all the heavens presumably he led the whole band of liberated captives from hades i e the whole population of preresurrection paradise up to the glory of heaven ra whenever your personal interpretation of biblical passages is ra challenged your only response seems to be that one needs merely to ra look at the bible in order to see the truth but what of those who ra see biblical things differently from you i think that this characterization is faulty whenever my personal interpretation is questioned i usually give a reason as for those that see things differently please put forward where there is a valid difference and we can discuss it i seem to be seeing from you the notion that any difference in how one views the bible is somehow legitimate except or course for the stuff that i glean from it put forward a contrary view and perhaps we can have a discussion on that topic but to decry something that i put forward without putting forward something else to discuss and to dismiss what i put forward while giving credence to other alleged views that have yet to be put forward is simply being contentious ra are we to simply assume that you are the only one who really ra understands it if you believe that something that i have drawn from scripture is wrong then please show me from scripture where it is wrong simply stating that there are other views is not a proof show it to me from scripture and then we can go on robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu medicine re oily skin problem in article 1993apr5 044140 1 vaxc stevens tech edu u92 hwong vaxc stevens tech edu writes i have a very oily skin my problem is when i wash my face it becomes oily in half an hour especially in the nose region is this an illness how can i prevent it from occuring in such short time is there a cleanser out there that will do a better job that is after cleaning my face wont become oily in such a short time i dont think thats a problem my face is quite oily too i had a moderate acne problem for many years i then found that if i vigorously scrub my face with a nail brush and soap irish spring twice a day the acne was not a problem i can still leave a pretty health nose print on a mirror after 45 min dont ask but acne is not a real problem anymore j f baseball ind source picks baerga over alomar case closed fester island com mike fester writes id say you could make a good for them being about equal right now t p rated baerga higher actually mike finally an objective source alomars a great player but so is baerga nice to see the objective source cited rather than my dads bigger than your dad posts bk medicine re pointer for info long shot in article zonker 93apr14174640 splinter coe northeastern edu regis m donovan zonker silver lcs mit edu writes this is something of a long shot but what the hell the net is full of people with strange knowledge im looking for suggestions as to what could be causing health problems one of my relatives is having one of my cousins has had health problems for much of her life around the age of 10 she had some gynecological problems now shes in her early mid twenties and she is going blind her eyes are not producing enough if any moisture shes been going to mass eye and ear and the doctors there have no clue what the actual cause is they have apparently tried eyedrops and such she is just about completely blind in one eye and the other is massively deteriorated sjogrens syndrome has been known to induce dryness in vaginal tissue as well as induce primary biliary cirrhosis otherwise the abdominal swelling could be due to a complication of sjogrens known as pseudolymphoma which can produce a splenomegaly enlarged spleen she should definitely see a rheumatologist since you dont mention skin disorder anemia or joint pain youd probably rule out erythema nodosum or scleroderma josh backon vms huji ac il also and this may or may not be related she is having some changes in her abdomen her stomach has swelled im not sure if this is stomach the organ or stomach teh area of the body i guess the step theyre going to take next is to do a whole battery of tests to check all the other internal systmes besides just the eyes but just because the net is a source of large amounts of bizarre knowledge im going to ask has anyone ever heard of anything like this suggestions of things to ask about since much of my knowledge about her state comes second or third hand thanks regis zonker silver lcs mit edu windows re leaking memory resources in 3 1 in 29apr199309371113 bpavms bpa arizona edu dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu daniel mittleman writes this may be an faq if so please direct me to the known answer but i am getting frustrated and looking for help i am running win 3 1 with ndw 2 2 on a 486sx with 8 meg of memory and a 6 meg perm swap file and am getting exceedingly frustrated that my applications are not giving back system resources when i close them i am aware this is a known problem what i am looking for are some suggestions of what i might do to mitigate it 1 what software is the culprit win 3 1 ndw my applications are some modes of win 3 1 standard real enhanced better than others at plugging this leak its the applications that do this unfortunately even the applets that ship with win31 seem to have this problem ive seen it in solitaire for example 2 are their system ini switches i can set to help plug this leak none that i know of if an application doesnt give back the resources they are lost and gone forever pending a restart of windows 3 do people know of patches or third party software that help with this seems like increasing or better managing system resources is a great market for a third party memory company like qemm if the applications dont free up the memory and a lot of them dont theres bugger all that any other piece of software can do about it 4 if i run progman instead of ndw will the leak subside i was hoping that ndw 2 2 would have plugged this but it seems no different than 2 0 in how it deals with memory and resources no this is a problem with the applications usually 5 when i am writing vb code are there things i can do to make it less likely my code will eat resources there are books written on this one in general just be sure to free up everything that you ask for before you exit unfortunately i understand that vb will internally lose resources for you so theres no way to avoid this entirely 6 any other suggestions that i dont know enough to ask for specifically thanks for your help as this is a common problem and i have seen only a little discussion of it on the net there are probably others who would like to read answers so please publish here rather than sending me email theres little discussion because its inevitable until ms manages to come up with an os that will do garbage collection or something on the resource pool insisting on perfect safety is for people who dont have the balls to live in the real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com i dont speak for others and they dont speak for me medicine smokers lungs how long does it take a smokers lungs to clear of the tar after quitting does your chances of getting lung cancer decrease quickly or does it take a considerable amount of time for that to happen medicine re foreskin troubles this is generally called phimosis usually it is due to an inflammation and ca n be retracted in the physicians offfice rather eaaasily one should see a gp or in complicated cases a urologist cars re warning please read in article 1r1d62 d6s agate berkeley edu bh anarres cs berkeley edu brian harvey writes rfelix netcom com robbie felix writes how about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local agencies to help children seniors the homeless hear hear thanks robbie you also dont read that much about violence against teenagers such as george bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed iraqi 17 year olds who were trying to surrender with bulldozers i didnt know george bush could drive a bulldozer kee ripe jim grey jwg acd4 acd com guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in 1r0qk5innc5m clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com writes in article c5rynw iz8 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes i balance my gut reaction to question authority together with the independent facts as i see them on video i usually adopt the scenario that is simplest and most plausible i do not generally believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely scenarios then answer the question why was no one else permitted to talk to koresh koresh had a lawyer deguin who he spoke to in person several times during the last few weeks it cannot be denied that if they had left them alone there would have been no fire yesterday this strikes me as a tad ingenous if x had done note done y then z would never have happened i tend to place tha responsibility on the group person actually committing the act not on those whon forced them to do it after all to take an extreme example if the british were not in northern ireland the ira would not be forced to place bombs in shopping centers that said this whole sorry story was a totally unecessary utterly fucked up mess from the get go semper fi jammer jim miller texas a m university 89 and 91 i dont speak for uh which is too bad because they could use the help become one with the student billing system be the student billing system power finds its way to those who take a stand stand up ordinary man rik emmet gil moore mike levine triumph cars car alarm info ungo box i want to get a car alarm and i am thinking about getting an ungo box does anyone out there have any knowledge or experience with any of these alarms how about price ranges for the different models are these good car alarms please email me any responces cak3 ns3 lehigh edu chad chad medicine re need info on circumcision medical cons and pros in article c63yg5 8th cs uiuc edu blix milton cs uiuc edu gunnar blix writes i need information on the medical including emotional pros and cons of circumcision at birth i pity those who hope that medical knowledge can resolve issues such as this this issue has been rehashed in sci med time and time again the bottom line is this in normal circumstances both the medical advantages of and the medical risks of circumcision are minor this means that the decision is left to the religious cultural ethical and aesthetic mores of the parents at best or to the habit of the concerned hospital or caregivers at worst as prospective parents you should do what you want in this regard and not worry about it too much in terms of decisions you make for your child it will have far less importance than many such as which schools you choose that most parents think about only a little this question will undoubtedly push the buttons of people who feel that the decision to circumcise your infant or not is a momentous medical decision it is not russell medicine re twitching eye i had this one time i attributed it to a lack of sleep since it disappeared after a few nights of good zzzs cars question about integra auto box im new to this group and this may have been discussed already in which case my apologies but i have a 92 integra with an auto box according to the manual the car has a lock up torque converter or something similar what is it what does it do and how does it work excuse my ignorance does anybody know parms no sig yet religion re burden of proof sometimes a god believer will maintain that atheism is itself a religion many postings to this group have answered that well heres another way to answer the assertion suppose that i dont believe that broken mirrors or black cats bring bad luck does that mean that i have a superstition cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in a previous article thomas tornblom nexus comm se thomas tornblom says in article 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes i am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines v4 i dont know of any v6 legend mr3 mr6 vw golf passat 2 8l vr6 inline v6 very narrow angle 11 deg one head 15 audi 80 100 2 6 2 8l v6 v8 dont know of any audi v8 3 6 4 2l some mbs some bmws v12 jaguar xjs bmw 750 850 mb 600 please add to the list thanks s ssave ole cdac com real life thomas t rnblom email thomas tornblom nexus comm se snail mail communicator nexus ab phone 46 18 171814 box 857 fax 46 18 696516 s 751 08 uppsala sweden drew medicine nasopharinx carcenoma hi does anyone know the possible causes of nasoparynx carcenoma and what are the chances of it being hereditary also in the advacned cases what is the general procedure to reduce the pain the area as it prevents the patient from eating due to the excessive pain of swallowing and even talking thanks f baseball re hbp bb big cat in article 1993apr20 230501 28364 ncar ucar edu woods ncar ucar edu greg woods writes alright thats enough ive suffered with all kinds of insults as typical for the net but give me a break galarraga is currently batting over 400 and you guys are complaining that he isnt drawing enough walks what would he have to do to please you guys bat 1 000 you can hardly claim that he is hurting his team fine are you willing to bet that he will bat 400 the rest of the way the point is that he has hurt the rockies so far its that he will hurt them eventually just as much as he hurt the expos and the cardinals the past couple seasons if it happens that the pitchers start throwing him fewer good pitches and he starts making lots of outs as someone speculated might happen then i would agree with you that he isnt taking enough pitches my comment it has happened for the past 3 seasons where have you been that he isnt paid to walk doesnt mean that he should have a license to swing at bad pitches and make outs its more along the lines of hes batting 400 and leading the league in rbis so what bloody difference does it make if he isnt drawing a lot of walks sheesh well see come september i have an outstanding bet with someone that galarragas obp will be less than 300 on june 1 go california angels nelson lu claudius leland stanford edu guns re boston gun buy back ron miller wrote when you ask the question of the authorities or sponsors of buyback programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer no its total amnesty good point about registration schemes being used only for harassment deleted i would also like to point out that this is receiving stolen property and is no different than a pawn shop owner doing the same thing myron petro nra uspsa dvc yall the opinions included in this post are my sole responsibility and are protected by the first amendment and guarnteed by the second amendment cars compilation of problems 1985 chevy caprice my 85 caprice classic with 120k miles has finally reached the threshold of total number of mechanical problems that i am forced to post anyone out there who might be able to give me some pointers on one or more of the below please e mail or post 1 when making turns especially when accelerating there is usually a loud thunk from the rear of of the car sounds like it could be the differential what could cause this is the differential going bad i recently had the differential fluid changed and it did have tiny metal bits in it and no the sound is not something rolling around in the trunk 2 on starting the car i get blue oil smoke from the exhaust for 5 10 seconds exhaust valves going bad worn rings anyone know whether the valves on the 4 3 tbi engine can be lapped 3 brakes more pedal travel than i feel comfortable with but master cylinder is full and fluid is relatively clear pedal does not slowly sink to the floor when held down pedal does not feel spongey but i suppose that bleeding the brakes might help could anything else cause this 4 tranny tranny problems seem to be slowly getting worse takes almost 2 seconds to downshift from 3rd to 2nd on heavy throttle application and more recently it is reluctant to shift from 2nd to 3rd fluid checked with car running with tranny put through all the gears and then back to park as per haynes manual is red and clear and is on full mark 5 my springs all around are just about shot i have 4 new shocks on but car still skips out on bumps in turns at moderate to high speed how hard are they to change can they be reconditioned id be interested in hearing from any gm full size rwd owners out there with stories to tell and or advice here in philly these cars are apparently stolen quite often and converted into taxis apparently the cab conversion shops will get a junk title for the car or switch vins with a car about to be junked about 60 of philly cabs are caprices with most of the rest being crown vics with a few old new yorkers and impalas broughams andrew white awhite mcneil sas upenn edu windows win 3 0 icon help please i have win 3 0 and downloaded several icons and bmps but i cant figure out how to change the wallpaper or use the icons any help would be appreciated thanx brando ps please e mail me guns tx senator bob krueger rtkba statement for those of you interested i just finished talking with a representative of senator bob kruegers reelection campaign about his position on the rtkba krueger was appointed by the democratic governor of texas to complete lloyd bentsens unexpired term the representative said that senator krueger did not have a position and would only comment on specific legislation that was pending no comment was available on the various versions of the brady bill be warned and vote accordingly medicine re krillean photography in article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alex vuse vanderbilt edu alexander p zijdenbos writes reading through the posts about kirlian whatever spelling photography i couldnt help but being slightly disgusted by the narrow minded i know it all i dont believe what i cant see or measure attitude of many people out there i am neither a real believer nor a disbeliever when it comes to so called paranormal stuff but as far as im concerned it is just as likely as the existence of for instance a god which seems to be quite accepted in our societies without any scientific basis i am convinced that it is a serious mistake to close your mind to something anything simply because it doesnt fit your current frame of reference history shows that many great people great scientists were people who kept an open mind and were ridiculed by sceptics especially the usa should be grateful after all columbus did not drop off the edge of the earth it is one thing to be open minded about phenomona that have not be demonstrated to be false and quite another to believe in something like krilian photography where all the claimed effects have be demonstrated to be artifacts there is no longer any reason to adopt a wait and see attitude about krilian photography it has been experimentally shown to be nothing but simple coronal discharge the auras shown by missing leaf parts came from moisture left by the original whole leaf for example thats what science is son bill vanhorne windows re mac disks in windows gel binkley cs mcgill ca gilles khouzam writes macsee zip on ftp cica indiana edu is supposed to read and write mac disks ive never tried it though good luck i just tried it but i cant say that it works cause it doesnt read 800k disks it only reads 1 44mb if there a program that does read 800k disks please let me know the easiest way to do this is if you can send the files accross the network this is much easier going from a mac to a pc because you dont have to worry about losing the resource fork of the file often a problem when sending binary files from a pc to a mac baseball i think i am going to cry again yankees lose it again i cant believe this howe has an era in the 80s he is improving key pitches a great game and they screw it up again windows win3 1 config sys query hi there with a 16megs of ram is there a need to run load smartdrv for windows 3 1 if yes can i run load ramdrive without smartdrv if i need both ramdrive smartdrv is the following config sys settings ok smartdrv sys 2048 2048 ramdrive sys 2048 e thanks in advance for e mail reply yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu windows windows locks up with green lines down the screen hi i am using a dtk 386 20mhz 13meg memory to run a variety of programs and have had problems off and on with lock up but now i am trying to run an application that wants a lot of memory over a period of time playmation 24 bit rendered and it is locking up everytime i have an ati ultra w 2meg which i have tried in each of the video modes i have excluded the region of video memory from a000 c800 segments from the use of emm386 have tried adjusting the swap partion from large to nonexistant to prevent swapping and i have remd all tsrs and utilities in config syus and autoexec and even tried using the default program manager disabling my hp dashboard even with a minimal system no swap no smartdrv no tsrs no windows utilities and exclusion of video regions it still locks up completely no mouse control no response to anything except 3finger salute and even that does not stop by the standard windows screen but simply does a full reset immediately just about out of ideas anyone out there have any thanks tom branham branham binah cc brandeis edu medicine krillean photography i think thats the correct spelling i am looking for any information supplies that will allow do it yourselfers to take krillean pictures im thinking that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for sale but i dont know any of the companies any info is greatly appreciated in case you dont know krillean photography to the best of my knowledge involves taking pictures of an most of the time organic object between charged plates the picture will show energy patterns or spikes around the object photographed and depending on what type of object it is the spikes or energy patterns will vary one might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within the universe as we know it has its own energy signature d i s c l a i m e r i can neither confirm nor deny any opinions expressed in this article directly reflect my own personal or political views and furthermore if they did i would not be at liberty to yield such an explanation of these alleged opinions windows character missing in ttf word 2 0c doesnt show the period centred character to indicate spaces if i use the ttfonts from coreldraw our editors need to be able to see how many spaces are in text but the character displayed is a large hollow box they overlap each other and characters on each side which is useless i believe the character used by w4w is the period centred 0183 this character shows up with the windows charmap display as the hollow box which tends to confirm this i have edited the corel font with fontmonger and changing the font graphics for the 0183 character makes no difference to the font output in charmap or w4w altering the paragraph 0182 or cedilla 0184 does alter their font graphics displayed however is the w4w character used to indicate spaces the period centred character has anyone been able to get this character displayed from a coreldraw ttf russ sharp russ deakin edu au ph 052 27 1141 fax 052 27 2015 deakin university school of engineering technology geelong australia medicine re discussions on alt psychoactives in article 0fpzy s00wbom2vn1u andrew cmu edu charles d nichols cn0p andrew cmu edu writes from herzog sierra lbl gov hanan herzog subject discussions on alt psychoactives date 20 apr 1993 19 16 25 gmt could the people discussing recreational drugs such as mj lsd mdma etc take their discussions to alt drugs their discussions will receive greatest contribution and readership there the people interested in strictly smart drugs i e nootropics should post to this group the two groups alt drugs alt psychoactives have been used interchangably lately i do think that alt psychoactives is a deceiving name alt psychoactives is supposedly the smart drug newsgroup according to newsgroup lists on the usenet should we establish an alt nootropics or alt sdn smart drugs nutrients i have noticed some posts in sci med nutrition regarding smart nutrients we may lower that groups burden as well i beg to disagree with you on this subject if i recall correctly alt drugs was being flodded by posts like how do i grow mj how do i use a bong wow man i just had the coolest trip etc there were quite a few people out there who were versed in pharmacology and biology who wanted to discuss centrally active substabces at a higher level without all the other crap filling the bandwidth i would suggest that you proceed to create a newsgroup dedicated to nootropics if you must have one dedicated to them and leave alt psychoactives to the discussion of psychoactives including nootropics which are but a small portion of the realm of centrally active substances i was wondering if a group called sci pharmacology would be relevent this would be used for a more formal discussion about pharmacological issues pharmacodynamics neuropharmacology etc just an informal proposal i dont know anything about the net politics for adding a newsgroup etc more alt psychoactives stuff deleted marc andersom spot colorado edu windows re more cool bmp files james dlss2 james cummings writes in article 1993apr17 023017 17301 gmuvax2 gmu edu rwang gmuvax2 gmu edu john wang writes hi everybody i guess my subject has said it all it is getting boring looking at those same old bmp files that came with windows so i am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file i can share or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for some bmp files like some scenery files some animals files etc i used to have some unfortunately i delete them all anyway could me give me some help please in response to a different kinda wallpaper heres what i use i think the original gif whatever was called not real the artist name and logo is in the lower right corner you will need vga i think and i have this sized for 800x600 256 color screens use this in your windows directory and do not tile it hope you enjoy begin cut here begin 666 ntreal bmp m0dtv5p 8 h m p a f cd 56 d d m4pa 4h p l 1 u n l0 4wa j 0 b h 9tj3 kkzp 0 m td4i zgb0 uh 0a 6e i 4b i bbzx e1 bv deleted a lot of stuff how do you convert this to a bit map cars car tinting s hello again anyone here done any tinting work what are the best brands out there how about applications i heard there was a water based brand that s you can move around till its just right and you then let it dry like that also i would consider having it professionally done how much around wisconsin or chcago area that does a decent job fairly cheap college kid thanks for all the info ps what is the maximum legal tint limit homi csd4 csd uwm edu windows re dos6 novell netware in article 1rre2d 26d usenet ins cwru edu cu826 cleveland freenet edu mahbub anam writes i friend of mine installed dos6 at work and is hooked up to a novell network running netware 386 v 3 11 the problem hes having is that the doublespace program is using drive h as the swap drive which is confliting with the networks mapped drives is there switch to place the swap drive to someother drive please e mail thanks a bunch mahbub cu826 cleveland freenet edu determine the last dblspace drive required and set that as lastdrive in your config sys if you are using w4ww you might want to go a couple of drives higher to give you some shared drive space reboot and novell will set its first drive one above the lastdrive in config sys you might have to remap some of your novell drives if they were originally mapped to lower drives make sure that the bat file or whatever you are using to log onto novell is set to the correct drive one above the lastdrive setting in the config sys file baseball re new home for the bosox in article 1993apr15 132741 11322 scott skidmore edu jrogoff scott skidmore edu jay rogoff writes i agree though id also be happy with a stadium that looks like new comiskey the new park was also made for baseball unlike three rivers the vet riverfront etc its not a football park in which they also play baseball while were on the multipurpose subject lets not forget shea which was designed to accommodate both the mets jets it was the first stadium i think to have the box seats on rollers so they could be oriented at right angles for baseball in parallel for football not the first rfk olim dc stadium was built 2 years earlier nowadays they dont move the seats back for the few exhibition games but the 3rd base lf lower deck used to move it was all metal which was pretty noisy on bat day of course with the jets gone to jersey and a truly good football stadium the mets are saddled with a multipurpose stadium where because its circular the seats are almost always too far from the action the mets announcers kiner murphy in particular have always hyped it as beautiful shea stadium a tipoff to how unbeautiful it truly is its vastly better than it was before they fixed it though back in the late 70s it was a dump roger dont you like jet noise cars re warning please read sorry for the 0 auto content but that is why low abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is imminent steve heracleous you do have the power steve you can do it why dont you why dont you go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars make sure you do a good job though dont miss cause like they have big rocks and take it from me those kids are mean medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition jason chen writes now here is a new one vomiting my guess is that msg becomes the number one suspect of any problem in this case it might be just food poisoning but if you heard things about msg you may think it must be it yeah it might if you only read the part you quoted you somehow left out the part about we all ate the same thing changes things a bit eh you complain that people blame msg automatically since its an unknown and therefore must be the cause it is equally if not more unreasonable to defend it automatically assuming that it cant be the culprit pepper makes me sneeze if it doesnt affect you the same way fine just dont tell me im wrong for saying so these people arent condemning chinese food mr chen just one of its optional ingredients try not to take it so personally cars re warning please read in article c5k9m5 7ku constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes if i hear someone screwing with my car ie setting off the alarm and taunting me to come out you can be damn sure that my colt delta elite will also be coming with me its not the screwing with the car thatd get them shot its the potential physical danger if theyre taunting like that its very possible that they also intend to rob me and or do other physically harmful things here in houston last year a woman heard the sound of someone in her garage so she went to investigate with a gun in her hand she found a guy in the process of stealing her bicycle she quite reasonably asked him to stop he refused began taunting her and as the woman was quoted in the police report he told me to go ahead and shoot him so i did the moron survived and no charges were filed against the woman medicine hip replacement medicine re chelation therapy in article 1rh3seinnfkc newsstand cit cornell edu renee rme1 cornell edu writes does anyone here know anything about chelation therapy using edta my uncle has emphesema and a doctor wants to try it on him we are wondering if 1 is there any evidence edta chelation therapy is beneficial for his condition or any condition 2 what possible side effects are there how can they be mimimized please respond via e mail to rme1 cornell edu thanks renee edta chelation therapy has been used by some physicians to try to remove calcium from calcified plaques in the arterial system not approved for such use there is also the possibility that lung tissue in patients with lung disease has become calcified chest x rays would show this there are side effects to the use of edta because it is not specific for calcium it also binds other minerals i think that there have been some deaths when edta chelation therapy has been used because of mineral imbalances that were not detected and corrected in animal studies the best way to remove calcium from plaques in rabbits was to supplement the rabbits with vitamin c and magnesium rabbits already synthesize their own vitamin c the extra vitamin c was given in their diets to help the magnesium displace the calcium from the plaques the calcification process that occurs in both plaques and the lung probably can be prevented if magnesium is used in supplemental form most patietns with calcium deposits are found to be deficient in calcium 1 magnesium interrationships in ischemic heart disease a review am j clin nutr 27 1 59 79 1974 supplementation with magnesium will prevent clacification of blood vessels 2 the importance of magnesium deficiency in cardiovascular disease am heart j 94 649 57 1977 the need to measure the serum concentration in all patients with heat disease cannot be overemphasized this is a review article 3 effect of dietary magnesium on development of atherosclerosis in cholesterol fed rabbits atherosclerosis 10 732 7 1990 magnesium supplementation greatly decreased the formation of plaques in rabbits feed a diet that had 1 by weight cholesterrol added to their normal food since edta will also bind magnesium ive never really liked its use for the reversal of athersclerosis or now apparently in emphesema patients marty b guns re two questions in article 16bb8c820 sbanka vm temple edu sbanka vm temple edu writes id appreciate any help anyone could give me on these two questions the brady bill was in the news throughout 1992 but what actually happened to it in congress did bush veto it if so when the brady bill passed the house in 1992 but failed to reach a vote in the senate as such it never reached bush sarah bradys condemnation not withstanding itll probably pass the house again and will probably pass the senate if they can get it to a vote whether of not theyll be busy with other things will be the question i dont expect gung ho opposition on the part of senate republicans since they wont want to over use their fillibuster trump card david veal university of tennessee division of continuing education pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed when you pushed me down the elevator shaft sometimes i get to thinking you dont love me anymore weird al yankovic medicine re the back machine update i have a back machine and have had one since january while i have not found it to be a panacea for my back pain i think it has helped somewhat it mainly acts to stretch muscles in the back and prevent spasms associated with pain i am taking less pain medication than i was previously the folks at back technologies are very reluctant to honor their return policy they extended my warranty period rather than allow me to return the machine when after the first month or so i was not thrilled with it they encouraged me to continue to use it abeit less vigourously like i said i cant say it is a cure all but it keeps me stretched out and i am in less pain dale m webb dvm phd 97 of the body is water the veterinary diagnostic center other 3 keeps you from drowning university of nebraska lincoln cars re ford probe import car of the year in 1ri9rv jfl msuinfo cl msu edu newman cps msu edu timothy s newman writes okay okay i know the ford probe is made in the us in fact its made in michigan at a mazda plant my question are most of the parts from american or japanese sources i have been told that most of the us assembly plants for japanese automakers import almost all of the parts used in the vehicles any information anyone has on this will be appreciated ford aimed for 75 us content when they designed the new probe in actual practice it came out to 77 us content if my 89 is any example the 23 that is imported may be the engine and brakes at least the 89 had missybitchy brakes tim newman newman cps msu edu bob windows re challenge to microsoft supporters stuff deleted about microsoft bferrell ant occ uc edu brett ferrell writes if you think that windows is useable you must not use it much windows version of crash protection is wearing a helmet while computing the arir air bag is an expensive add on brett you must of read too many os 2 advertisements crash protection is such a marketing gimick it isnt funny out of 4 months of using windows on my new machine ive only had it crash once and i dont have a run of the mill configuration microsoft is not a leader in innovation but they certainly know how to build a better mousetrap now whats wrong with that larry ludes ludwig its always taken me twice to get clemson university compsci undergrad it right you never heard of the ludes hubcap clemson edu apple i ludes clemson clemson edu steve jobs religion re rw is robert weiss the only orthodox christian rick anderson writes are we to simply assume that you referring to robert weiss are the only one who really understands it biblical scriptures no i also understand it i have read the bible from cover to cover examining each book within cross comparing them etc and i have come to same conclusions as robert weiss so rick why not read the bible for yourself it is written in plain english decide for yourself baseball hits stolen left field 1992 disclaimer this is for fun in my computerized baseball game i keep track of a category called stolen hits defined as a play made that an average fielder would not make with average effort using the 1992 defensive averages posted by sherri nichols thanks sherri ive figured out some defensive stats for the leftfielders hits stolen have been redefined as plays kevin bass would not have made ok i realize thats unfair kevins probably the victim of pitching staff fluke shots and a monster park factor but lets put it this way if we replaced every leftfielder in the league with someone with kevins 49 4 out making ability how many extra hits would go by to try and correlate it to reality a little more ive calculated net hits stolen based on the number of outs made compared to what a league average fielder would make by the same method ive calculated net extra bases doubles and triples let by finally i throw all this into a a formula i call defensive contribution or dcon basically it represents the defensive contribution of a player i add this number to ops to get dops defense onbase plus slug which should represent the players total contribution to the team so dont take it too seriously the formula for dcon appears at the end of this article the short version definition of terms hs hits stolen extra outs compared to kurt stillwell nhs net hits stolen extra outs compared to average fielder ndp net double plays extra double plays turned compared to avg fielder neb net extra bases extra bases prevented compared to avg fielder dcon defensive contribution bases and hits prevented as a rate dops dcon ops quick dirty measure of players total contribution national league name hs nhs neb dcon dops gonzalez l 63 28 20 192 866 gilkey b 52 23 14 150 941 clark g 46 11 11 065 726 alou m 20 3 12 052 835 bonds b 54 9 7 019 1 099 may d 21 0 7 020 659 gant r 31 5 2 021 715 bass k 0 24 4 126 600 ordered by dops 1 099 bonds 941 gilkey 866 gonzalez 835 alou 726 clark 718 nl average 715 gant 659 may 600 bass american league name hs nhs neb dcon dops raines t 53 22 20 111 896 anderson b 65 30 8 102 924 henderson r 43 20 4 101 984 vaughn g 55 27 3 095 817 gladden d 25 4 8 038 699 hall m 29 6 2 017 756 mack s 38 6 8 005 866 polonia l 10 11 10 019 647 mcreynolds k 13 8 9 064 711 maldanado c 9 21 12 105 714 reimer k 5 18 16 102 671 order by dops 984 henderson 924 anderson 896 raines 866 mack 817 vaughn 756 hall 733 al average 714 maldanado 711 mcreynolds 699 gladden 671 reimer 647 polonia more discussion dcon formula nhs ndp pa nhs ndp neb ab why such a bizzare formula basically its designed to be added into the ops with the idea that a run prevented is as important as a run scored the extra outs are factored into obp while the extra bases removed are factored into slg thats why i used pa and ab as the divisors for more discussion see the post on hits stolen first base 1992 dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball cars re did us drive on the left the reason i ask is because i went to a classic car meet here in the uk and saw a very nice old de soto 1920s vintage id guess with wooden artillery type wheels etc but it was right hand drive i cant believe that desoto produced rhd cars just for the uk well sweden and australia and lord knows wherever else used to drive on the wrong side of the road so the export market might have been larger then than just the uk im guessing but i believe in the twenties we probably drove mostly down cattle trails and in wagon ruts i am fairly sure that placement of the steering wheel was pretty much arbitrary to the company at that time by the 1920s there was a very active good roads movement which had its origins actually in the 1890s during the bicycle craze picked up steam in the teens witness the linclon highway association 1912 or so and the us highway support act real name something different in 1916 that first pledged federal aid to states and counties to build decent roads also the experience of widespread use of trucks for domestic transport during ww 1 convinced the government that good raods were crucial to our national defense anyway by the 20s there were plenty of good roads at least around urban areas and they were rapidly expanding into the countryside this was the era after all of the first auto touring fad the motel the auto camp ground etc two good books on the subject spring to mind warren belasco america on the road title may not be exact author is and another called the devil wagon in gods country author i forget also any of john flinks or john bell raes auto histories as to placement of the steering wheel being arbitrary by the early teens there were virtually no american cars that did not have the wheel on the left in the early days cars had the wheel on the left on the right and even in the middle as well as sometimes having a tiller instead of a wheel this was standardized fairly early on though i dont know why dan dh3q andrew cmu edu carnegie mellon university applied history world history strides on from catastrophe to catastrophe whether we can comprehend and prove it or not oswald spengler medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article lsj4gninnl6c saltillo cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes i wrote or to use a phrasing that i think is more accurate science is the investigation of phenomena that avoids methods and reasoning that are known to be erroneous from past foul ups in article c57iu2 hbn bunyip cc uq oz au bd psych psy uq oz au writes i can agree with this if you are talking about the less fundamental aspects of scientific method in fact i dont see the alternative as i dont think that the fundamentals are capable of experimental investigation in saying this i am agreeing with the work of people like kuhn 1970 feyerabend 1981 and lakatos 1972 while methodology cannot be subject to the same kind of experimental investigation as that to which it is applied it can be critically appraised methodologies can be compared to each other sometimes by the conflicting results they produce this kind of critical appraisal and comparison together with the inappropriateness of existing methodologies for new fields of study is what drives the evolution of methodologies and how we think about them as usual you are missing the whole point russell because you are not willing to even consider questionning your basic article of faith which is that science is merely a matter of methodology and that the highest purpose of science is to avoid making mistakes this is like saying that the most important aspect of business management is accurate bookkeeping if science were no more than methodology and not making mistakes it would be a poor thing indeed what was the methodology of darwin what was the methodology of einstein what was for that matter the methodology of jenner and pasteur in an earlier article russell turpin writes none of the foregoing should be read as meaning that we should open the door to practitioners of quackery and psuedo science modern advocates of homeopathy chiropracty and traditional chinese medicine receive little respect because for the most part they use methods and reasoning that the kind of research lee lady recommends has shown to be terribly faulty this does not imply that all their treatments are ineffective it does imply that those who rely on faulty methodology and reasoning are incapable of discovering which treatments are effective and which are not first of all i think you are arguing against a straw man because i dont think that anyone here is arguing that quackery pseudo science homeopathy chiropracty and traditional chinese medicine should be accepted as science i in particular think the basic ideas of homeopathy and chiropracty seem extremely flaky what some of us do believe however is that some of these things including some of the flaky ideas are deserving of serious scientific attention if in fact it were true as you have stated above that those who do not use the currently fashionable methodology can have no idea what is effective and what is not then science today would not exist for all of current science is based on the past work of scientists whose methodology by current standards was seriously flawed it is certainly true that as methodology improves we need to re examine those results derived in the past using less perfect methodologies it is also true that the results obtained by people today who still rely on those early methodologies needs to be re examined in a more rigorous fashion by those qualified to do so credibly but to say that nobody who fails to do elaborate double blind studies is capable of knowing their ass from a hole in the ground and to say that no ideas that come from outside the scientific establishment could possibly be worthy of serious investigation this truly marks ones attitude as doctrinaire cultist this attitude is not compatible with a belief in reason in the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lady uhunix bitnet windows help word4w sucks autonum i am getting desperate i have a report that must be finished by midnight and w4w doesnt seem to have what appears to be a must i use the autonum field for numbering chapters but my document is distributed amongst several files i just cant find a way to make word start the numbering at something else than 0 or 1 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bh m 6 o v 5 145 q5oq 5q45 145k145 uok6 5 q45 zvm zvm 6 mk vm m v 5 6 5 q6m zvm vm zuo 1 5 6 5k145mq45 16mm wk w3zur d w m k w jt g g g g mmzur g m g ah m 5k wk t5 g mk16m m ahf ah ah g rmw r ah m k d wk7 rmzur vmmq6mw mq6m a6m 145k7 mk 5 vw a5r g mmzur k r k m jr7 zlb rnk r b8 g jvw a r jvw m m34 dl1t v qv g9v h2 g 6 12vz089 j ij j m a 2 0 t 7 aw tbjj p8z 5e96x924e 9 5ki evz q pet m 2rzneu nevznahflb9rnkir b9rmw w g w g 5 qkc g t q h b q m6n o2 2vy 3 n dl 2d q f i2d l tt b m at k 75u 0 qa 84an m34u 34 34 0 z71h m khflb zng b9rlg r ah ajw g r g r k r b8 m 3mh b b sk d 3md1 cnv1 1d 6j3 n p2 jz y c m2cz fim 7 9 x12tma 241v4m r c4 3 u 9r end of part 4 of 14 baseball re giants gm quinn is a genius in article c50nh4 4et odin corp sgi com luigi sgi com randy palermo writes will clark matt williams robbie thompson rod beck all came up through the giants system geez everyone comes up with clark williams thompson these guys were all up in 1987 thats ancient history so in the last 6 years noone right beck doesnt count i said 2 solid years btw manwaring lead the ml last season in throwing out baserunners he is an excellent defensive catcher i agree that his offensive skills are limited but he does seem to be improving on them lets see what he does w o the help of a pitchout every other pitch as i remember even bob brenly had a good throwout percentage under roger craig who loved to sacrifice the count for runners being thrown out of course he suffered from 3 ball 1 strike homers a lot too i am not a big fan of manwaring dave guns wi and il firearms law questions a couple of questions for you firearms law experts out there question 1 according to the nra ila state firearms lawbook in wisconsin it is unlawful for any person except a peace officer to go armed with a concealed and dangerous weapon there is no statutory provision for obtaining a lixense or permit to carry a concealed weapon jury instructions indicate that to go armed one must have a firearm on ones person or within his immediate control and available for use does this mean that open carry is allowed if so just how open does it have to be would an in the pants holster be considered concealing what if one had their jacket on and it partially covered the weapon also is there any way to be allowed to carry concealed or is it just not allowed period question 2 as i understand it in evanston il they have a ordinance banning handguns is there any way to get around this provision what would the penalty if you were found out be what if you used said handgun in a defensive shooting in your apartment there how would the city law apply to your impending trial for the shooting also what is il state law concerning short barreled weapons short barreled shotgun is what i would be interested in if a handgun were not available either that or a shortened 9mm carbine ie colt marlin one more thing what is the chance of getting a ccw permit in il without being rich or famous or related to the mayor please send replies via e mail as things seem to be piling up around t p g a little faster than i can handle thanks again steve syck syck5280 miller cs uwm edu medicine re great canadian scientists shell cs sfu ca barry shell writes first name last name nominator famous for sid altman kuszewski john catalytic rna nobel chem 89 the picture from the press conference on the cover of the times that day had prof altman at the lectern holding a yale pennant over his head there was a tiny canadian flag pasted atop the yale crest he may also have had his tongue sticking out but i might be confused with a picture of mark messier holding the 1987 canada cup aloft heck id be that happy too in either case gld je me souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley cars re comparing saabs bmws i dont know about saabs but whenever there is a long temr tset in a magazine they always say that tehyre are little annoying niggles which keep on occuring every so often i wouldnt expect that from such a quality car why doesnt anything like this ever happen on bmws maybe coz theyre quality cars shrugs repentently shaz cars re its a rush was re too fast gwm spl1 spl loral com gary w mahan writes why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph the only thing i fear going at 130 are drivers who switch to the left lane without using either rear view mirror or flashers doing 130 to 150 aint a rush for me but its fun and i get where i want to go much faster in defense of the drivers who are in the right lane here in the states people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50 mph i dont think this is because they are stupid of course there are exceptions they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit do you in the states when you look in the rear view always calculate future positions of cars based on a 50 speed differential dont get me wrong i love to drive in the left lane fast but when i overtake cars who are on the right i slow down a tad bit if i were to rely on the judgement of the other car to recognize the speed differential i would be the stupid one btw if no one else is around then go for it keep up the good work guys afterall the cops need to be occupied with someone so that lesser mortals like us can be left alone bhaskar orion me uiuc edu guns waco headlines and editorial in boston globe boston globe wednesday april 21 1993 col 4 bodies found in ruins as fbi defends raid on cult ranch col 5 clinton blames koresh orders probe of siege col 2 the children panws in a horrifying game pg 18 col 1 editorial page judgment at waco now the scientific and political scrutiny of the horror show in waco begins though nothing can undo the tragedy that might have been prevented there forensic experts will study the rubble and ashes of the branch davidian compound where at least 85 people including 24 children perished in smoke and fire caused by theapocalyptic visions of a manipulative madman and a stunning lapse in judgment by federal law enforcement officials emphasis added by me investigators will re create conditions at the compound and identify accelerants and other fac tors fueling the inferno that is their strong suit but the public must question why agents of the federal bureau of investigation lacked the oper ational skill and teh behavioral insight to resolve the 51 day standoff free of flames and fury the loss of life most clearly reflects the demen tia of cult leader david koresh whose personal delusiosn are now seared on the public conscious ness his assembly of davidians had stockpiles of arms and had used them little in the way of rationality could be expected from koresh a self confsesed sinner without equal what continues to mystify are th eactions of federal agents who bungled the case from the start the misadventure began on feb 28 when 100 agents of the federal bureau of alcohol to bacco and firearms storemd the compound intent on seizing koresh and a cache of automatic weap ons four agents and an estimated six cult mem bers died inteh ensuing gun battle earlier oppor tunities to isolate and arrest koresh outside the complex had not been adequately explored authorities prepared a siege and resolved that those deaths would be the last fifty one days into the siege there was no public outcry to storm the compound it had been correctly perceived that the chil dren inside rancho apocalypse were essentially hostages with their lives at stake there was no reason for the government to be impatient the governments superior firepower control of water and utilities and freedom of movement created the conditions for a belated but bloodless resolution neither attorney general janet reno nor the fbi has provided a sigle compelling reason for abandondoning the course of patience if intelligence was accurate and koresh was growing increasingly violent and bizarre it is diffi cult to see how a tear gas attack launched by an m 60 combat vehicle would clear his mind if re ports of escalating child abuse were accurate they would have to be weighted against the potential for eve ngreated hamr etc etc tec paragraphs 2 5 paragraphs deleted but some of the responsibility rests with clinton and inexperienced president who did not pay enough attention to the life and death decisions being made on waco if reno is to be faulted for anything ti would be for her overreliance on the judgment of law en forcement officers a common problem among prosecutors full investigations into th ewaco tragedy must be conducted by both the executive and legislative branches the first step is to verify how the blaze started though apportioning blame will play a role it is of greater importnace to find strategies to elude the fire next time end of editorial j case kim kim39 husc harvard edu religion re a kind and loving god in article sandvik 160493205355 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes stephen wrote sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik quotes ml remember these laws were written for a different time and applied only to gods chosen people but jesus has changed all of that we are living in the age of grace sin is no longer immediately punishable by death there is repentance and there is salvation through our lord jesus christ and not just for a few chosen people salvation is available to everyone jew and gentile alike jews wont agree with you malcolm which jews ks most religious jews with the exception of the messianic ones and atheists agnostics malcolm ks i see youre wanting malcolms response allow me one last inter jection then please distinguishing among the religious jews youve excepted the messianic for obvious reasons specifically are you saying its these religious jews who trace their lineage back to abraham by blood and orthodoxy rather than by faith who wont agree orthodox jews as to the a a if i understand your direction the issue remains unproven i suspect considering how atheists and agnostics so often look to reason atheist it is reasonable to conclude will not agree for agnostics a poll seems in order who knows myself im not so sure the atheists can be counted out for the orthodox i wonder how many would follow moses or abraham or david in accepting gods word is the particular covenant to which one adheres more important than god promisimg i reckon for many it depends on the ongoing dialogue under these considerations you might understand why i think its premature to assert who will and wont agree j stephen baseball re 61 orioles trivia in article 1993apr14 190432 1706 hpcvaac cv hp com paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen writes in article 1993apr13 151809 1286 galileo cc rochester edu sparky balsa lle rochester edu michael mueller writes hi all does anyone know who were the 4 pitchers for the 1961 orioles that were referred to as the kiddy corp because they were so young steve barber 22 18 12 chuck estrada 23 15 9 jack fisher 22 10 13 milt pappas 22 13 9 this list brings to mind possible the worst trade since babe for nono nannette i e milt pappas for frank robinson i think in 1965 robinson proceeded to win the triple crown in 1966 and may have beaten out yaz in 67 but was injured on a slide into second when he collided with the mighty al weis chisox jerry windows re re challenge to microsoft supporters yes a lot of what os 2 2 0 has in common with os 2 1 x was written by you guys however many of the things that made os 2 2 0 so much more successful win os 2 workplace shell than previous versions were ibm work yes certainly it was ibm that wrote the windows code c guns re the truth about waco in article dan hartung writes endless remarks of how the davidians could have surrendered deleted if they had lived a quiet religious life as they claimed there would have been no raid no siege and no deaths instead they chose courses of action at every turn that were at the very least stupid if not irrational the first was to stockpile weapons the second was to shoot federal agents the third was to stay inside if they had been quiet there would have been no deaths i thought thier neighbors said that the davidians never bothered them oh well that couldnt have been your point then if they hadnt been stockpiling weapons then the atf wouldnt have felt threatened and had to move in heres a newsflash it isnt illegal to own more than one firearm it isnt even illegal to own lots of firearms they shot federales the feds shot them too how about that staying inside thing heres another newsflash sometimes the government does nasty things to you that you dont deserve since they were so nice to the davidians the first time round i can see why the davidians didnt surrender so easily especially because they were expecting the end of the world andrew diederich diederic spot colorado edu these opinions are only mine when they wave that watch infront of my eyes medicine re thrush was good grief was re candida albicans what is it in article 21apr199308571323 ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdy ucsvax sdsu edu mccurdy m writes my dentist who sees a fair amount of thrush recommended acidophilous after i began taking acidophilous on a daily basis the outbreaks ceased when i quit taking the acidophilous the outbreaks periodically resumed i resumed taking the acidophilous with no further outbreaks since then this is the second post which seems to be blurring the distinction between real disease caused by candida albicans and the disease that was being asked about systemic yeast syndrome there is no question that candida albicans causes thrush it also seems to be the case that active yogurt cultures with acidophilous may reduce recurrences of thrush at least for vaginal thrush ive never heard of anyone taking it for oral thrush before though presumably it would work by the same mechanism candida is clearly a common minor pathogen and a less common major pathogen that does not mean that there is evidence that it causes the systemic yeast syndrome david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu baseball re yankee fears i would e mail this to you but my mailserver doesnt recognize you or something anyway the worst pitcher on the yanks if you mean currently on the team then i have to go with scott im a schizophrenic no im not kamienicki sure occasionally the guy can pitch well for 5 or 6 innings but then he starts to go insane a sure sign that hes losing his stuff and his mind is when he starts to stalk around the mound between batters and yell at himself the worst all time yanks pitcher gotta go with ed new york i have to pitch in gulp new york whitson nuff said im outta here like vladimir alan sepinwall xviii whats this this is ice this is what happens to water when it gets too cold this this is kent this is what happens to people when they get too sexually frustrated val kilmer real genius guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors pat rwing uucp pat myrto writes if the fbi started the fire why didn t people flee the burning building assuming the fire was caused by lanterns and stoves being knocked about by the tanks pushing on the walls would shake a building pretty good perhaps they didnt flee because fleeing would have meant entering the fire from the other side like they were surrounded by the fire and rubble which finally combined with teargas and combustion gasses overcame and enveloped them in other words they were trapped by the flames heat fumes and rubble wait a minute the story being pushed here is that the fire started in one place this is not consistent with the story that they were trapped by the fire particularly in a building that all of a sudden had many more exits choose one please does that sound plausable not as dramatic as korash forcing them to stay or shooting them no shot victims found yet but plausable well for everyone besides koresh and his blood children we can assume independent choice ah they chose to stay in the face of an assault which clearly endangered their lives or alternatively they were not permitted to leave choose one the koresh cult standoff is over may his victims recquiescat in pace the above is a net moment of silence daniel a hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask me about rotaract baseball re yankee thoughts in article mjones 735583414 fenway mjones fenway aix kingston ibm com mike jones writes scott asd com scott barman writes in article 1993apr20 154542 147196 clam com sam steamer clam com sam mandelbaum writes 2 wade boggs i live in boston and like wade a lot but his career is winding down and i would rather see the yanks start to develop a long term solution i e hensley muelins russ davis velarde besides wade just doesnt have any range what a shame about charlie hayes huh who would you have playing 3b wade boggs or charlie hayes my choice is boggs no contest it will give them time to develop younger talent in an area the yankee farm system seems to be deficient a hem two words russell davis playing in the cavern at albany aa last year 375 410 385 down the alleys and to center davis went 285 355 483 with 22 homers there arent any small parks on the road in the eastern league either hes 23 and his mle was 258 308 416 17 hr i have no fielding statistics but from seeing him a number of times last year id say that hes not brooks robinson but neither is he howard johnson unless they think they can win the pennant this year which seems possible and need boggs to do it i think theyre making the same sort of mistake with davis that boston made with boggs leaving him in the minors for two or three years after hed shown that he was a good hitter 3 spike owen see wade boggs id much rather see them develop dave silvestri or whoever wade and spike next to each other in the infield is going to raise the yankee staff era 1 2 point and these guys are on the down sides of their careers too bad they gave up on randy valarde too many trips on the columbus shuttle hrm they still have him on the roster 16 ab through the first two weeks theyve just never figured out what to do with him i suspect that he hits enough especially vs lefties to be a reasonable shortstop one rumor running around during spring training was that they wanted to convert silvestri to be a catcher because his body type was wrong for a shortstop youd think that somebody in the same division who plays baltimore about a dozen times a year would know better mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com if one of our guys went down i just doubled it no confusion there it didnt require a rhodes scholar if two of my teammates went down four of yours would i had to protect my guys don drysdale in regard to boggs ill relate a story about a yankee fan at fenway last year for opening day i was there to see them face baltimore and couldnt help but listen to the boston fans talk about various players on the team one guy was totally obliterating boggs how he sucks etc i told him i was a yankee fan and id take him in a second and who would he want in a trade back he said a pile of sh t i know boggs had some personal problems while playing for boston but come on hes a future hall of famer who really adds a needed dimension to the yanks a solid hitter a decent fielder and more importantly a teacher ask pat kelly i think hes got a few good years left in his bat and may be a key contributor down the stretch as they win the american league east this year boston fans have no class theyll probably boo him like crazy his first time back in pinstripes and i hope he goes 4 for 4 and shuts them up windows microsoft printing system or something like that i saw an ad for this and it basically is an advanced print manager it lets you monitor your printing more closely and comes with a bunch of true type fonts anyone have this good bad worth it windows trouble with sound blaster pro drivers recently windows has starting giving me the error sound blaster pro requires newer version of windows 3 1 it has worked correctly for a long time and dont know what the problem could be thanks jeff kaz kaczmarek kaz iastate edu the future is long past forgotten when youre on the road to madness geoff tate queensryche guns re dont knock the glock was re my gun is like my am ex card in article 93105 164406u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes all very true im going on what i have read and heard from friends basically the glock is great but i have heard read that it is a lot harder to learn proper handling because of the type of safety that it has i was looking at a glock 40s w and the s w 4006 a couple of weeks ago and the safties on the guns were very different the saftey on the 4006 seemed a lot more safe for lack of a better word than the one on the glock of course this could also be a bad thing if you were to pull the gun on somebody you would spend more time fiddling around turning the safety off personally i like the glocks because they are very light and i think they look really cool guess thats why they use them in so many movies but i wouldnt get one as my first semi auto because of the safety i would prefer more training with a traditional semi auto ala colt 45 but of course thats just my opinion jason at the risk of starting the my gun is better than yours flame war i must disagree there is no secret in handling a glock in fact it is often chosen besides its other merits because it shoots like a revolver does basically it can limit the training time read budget due to the fact there are no external safties other than the trigger hence less training time required smith wesson among other types are chosen due to the fact taht they do have the external safties hammer drop as well as mag drop which if properly used have saved many lives when mr bad snatched the gun from the officer and tried to shoot said officer the gun was on safe and would not fire this point had been made in many articles in various gun magazines if fact one author cant remember who staged a little test where he had a revolver and a s w on safe laying on a table and asked people with little firearms experience to on his signal grab the gun and shoot a target he timed the people using each gun the revolver times were pretty close but some of the times with the s w were in minutes or the person just gave up because they could not figure out the saftey you dont often see colt 45 autos issued due to the light trigger which can be accidentally fired in a stress situation opening the issuing city county etc to lawsuits bad press etc of course any problem can be overcome with enough training but such training is not always available to budget crunched departments i know if i were a cop i would want something like a s w just for the off chance of the gun getting taken away the safety doesnt guarantee that mr bad wont figure it out and shoot me but it could buy enough time to draw a second gun and shoot mr bad before its too late dont think i am too biassed here just because i have had 3 glocks in my possession at one time because i have had a 45 as well in fact it was my first handgun remember the ultimate safety is you the operator and no safety is going to stop an negligent discharge note i dont say accidental if you break the rules of gun handling as per the part of being light weight and looking cool i agree 100 i wouldnt rule it out as a first purchase just my 02 tax steve syck syck5280 miller cs uwm edu baseball re game length was re braves update in article 1993apr20 162615 8609 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes havent been to many as games have you theres also a difference in how tolerant i am of long games if im watching them on the tube and if im going there in person for me going to an as game has become a major commitment of time one that im not willing to make that often the length of their games is costing the as revenue from me i stopped going to as games some years ago while i still lived inthe bay area for exactly this reason i believe the length of their games has been institutionalized by larussa duncan they encourage their pitchers to be overly deliberate to throw to first often to study the catchers signals and so on and almost every as hitter takes a step out of the box after every pitch this is not imo a coincidence this is planned and i hate it as for the gant situation i did not see the game or the replays but i do wonder what if gant had requested a time out would hirschbeck have been required to give it to him could he have denied the requst for all he the ump knew gant could have had dirt in his eye mark singer mss netcom com cars re changing oil by self rist another dealer service scam in a previous article bmoss grinch sim es com brent woody moss says i was worried about someone stealing my oil once also i finally decided to just have my drain plug welded shut it works great i figure that when i add three or four quarts when the oil light comes on every month or so that its just as good or better than the old wives tale of changing the oil and filter every 3000 miles works for me i must say i did the same thing to my drain plug for the same reasons i was wondering how you filled your crankcase though as i welded my hood shut also out of fear that somebody might steal my air filter dod 650 darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion windows re utility for updating win ini and system ini in article 1993apr20 130933 26571 lut ac uk a d bailey lut ac uk adrian d bailey writes in windows 3 0 there is a built in called sysedit exe that is just what you need windows 3 1 i dont know its there tony annese claebaur shell portal com or claebaur cup portal com windows re can i change licensed to data in windows 3 1 in article 1993apr15 180633 3437 trintex uucp charles tinman dev prodigy com writes have you tried re installing the software otherwise i would be dubious about simple ways to change that screen is it not designed to be an embarassment to would be pirates ahh yes this is a fun topic no once the name is incribed on the disk that is it it is encoded not even a hex editor will find it you can write over the licensed to but you cant change the name underneth it i think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate and were not going to promote that here robert s dubinski aliases include robb regal sir mr and i marquette university math computer science double major internet address 2a42dubinski vms csd mu edu milwaukee wi baseball re game length was re braves update mzimmers netcom com michael zimmers writes first a longer game in no way suggests more baseball to watch unless you include watching the grass grow as baseball i definitely do thats why i dont like going to see games played on artificial turf the lengthier games are so because of batters stepping out of the box pitchers taking longer between pitches and excessive trips to the mound by managers and pitching coaches and while its true that the gaps between plays can be interesting this is only true when they dont become extra long well your idea of interesting differs from mine i think batting practice is interesting for example and make a special effort to get to the game very early in order to see it i think the delaying tactics of batters pitchers catchers and managers are interesting because theyre attempts to gain advantage through control of the flow and timing of the game of course the umpires can and should intervene when these tactics get out of hand as ryan robbins has pointed out there are rules that cover this one of the more fascinating things about baseball i think is its open endedness with regard to time you never know if the game is going to zip right by and be over in less than two hours or if its going to go on until four in the morning likewise some games are action packed and some games are slow and lazy thats fine by me those folks who want constant action should watch the games on tv so they can channel surf and cater to their short attention spans heather hhenderson vax clarku edu guns vancouver seattle study critiques open letter by dr paul h blackman research coordinator for nra ila nra official journal 1 89 dear sir by now we are used to the new england journal of medicines publication of small scale studies related to firearms from which conclusions are drawn which are quantum leaps from the data followed by announcements of momentus scientific findings these are regularly released to the press without the caveats which riddle the conclusory paragraphs and often accompanied by an editorial calling attention to the findings generally while they at least present a few interesting data however meaningless the studies misinterpret statistics and ignore or belittle serious studies by criminologists the latest effort handgun regulations crime assaults and homicide a tale of two cities by j h sloan et al with the accompanying editorial firearms injuries a call for science by two employees of the centers for disease control november 10 however is an insult to the intelligence of any serious scholar in any field and have so few data and so many flaws that i feel compelled to write at some length to call attention to various major and minor failings in no particular order 1 the authors misleadingly cite wright et al ref 1 to support the statement that some have argued that restricting access to handguns could substantially reduce our annual rate of homicide wright et al in fact studied and rejected that contention 2 the authors pretended that vancouver and seattle are very similar cities with similar economic circumstances histories demographic characteristics and the like in fact the cities are very different with very different demographic characteristics which appear to explain completely the higher homicide rate in seattle both cities are over three forths non hispanic white and the non hispanic white homicide rates are reported to be the same in seattle and vancouver it is the different back grounds problems circumstances and behaviors of the various ethnic minorities which explain the difference in homicide 3 the authors pretend they are evaluating canadas gun law compared to washington states but they do not examine at all the situation in vancouver prior to the gun law taking effect in 1978 as it happens in the three years prior to that 1975 1977 vancouver averaged 23 homicides per year one eighth involving handguns ref 2 and in the seven years of the nejm article there were 29 homicides per year one eigth involving handguns surely even the medical profession recognizes that one must look to see the prior situation was before concluding that a change made a difference would a physician conclude that a patient was benefiting from eating oat bran muffin each day for seven years because his cholesterol level was 200 without at least seeing if it was 180 before he started the regimen 4 the authors pick two medium sized cities to evaluate a national gun law nothing can be learned from such a tiny and arbitrarily selected sample seattle appears to have been selected because it was convienient for the authors rather than for any scientific reason would physicians call something a scientific study which involved one experimental subject and one dissimilar control had different arbitrarily selected cities been chosen opposite scientific conclusions would follow vancouvers homicide rate exceeds that of such wild west cities in texas as el paso corpus christi austen and in colorado colorado springs ref 3 5 the authors fail to clearly demonstrate that firearms or handguns are far more commonly owned in seattle than in vancouver they use two surrogate approaches in pretending to study the availability of firearms handguns the first is an apples and oranges effort to compare the number of carry permits in seattle to the number of registered handguns in vancouver but the number clearly understates the number of handguns in seattle and counts primarily protective handgun owners the second however tells nothing about the number of handguns in vancouver and counts non protective handguns for the most part where is it difficult to obtain handguns legally for protection registration figures are meaningless there are 66 000 registered handguns in new york city new york daily news sept 27 1987 comparing the two that method suggests about 930 handguns per 100 000 population in new york city compared to 960 in vancouver meaning vancouver has a greater prevalence of weapons than new york city the second method of measuring gun density is cooks gun prevalence index a previously validated measure of intercity differences but the validation was by cook of his own theory ref 4 normally second opinions are sought from a different doctor more significantly the cook index is based on the average of the percentage of firearms involvement in suicide and homicide so the authors are basically taking a measure of misuse unsurprisingly gun misuse in homicide 42 in seattle 14 in vancouver is related to gun misuse in homicide plus suicide divided by two 41 in seattle 12 in vancouver the authors are not measuring the relative avail ability of firearms or of handguns in seattle and vancouver 6 the authors misstate the laws of both washington and canada they neglect to mention the significant fact that washington has a waiting period and background check prior to the purchase of a handgun and that provisions exist in canadian law for owning and carrying handguns for personal protection the authors also make it appear that it is more difficult to get a handgun legally in canada than is actually the case 7 the authors ignore all other factors which might explain the differences in crime rate beyond some vague mention of the penalities provided by law and the roughest of estimates of clearence for one particular offense homicide involving a firearm there is no measure of the differences in the number of law enforcement officers their aggressiveness in making arrests for gun law violations in the two jurisdictions arrest rates for other offenses conviction rates actual sentences imposed for gun related crimes violent crimes without guns or gun law violations or incarceration rates whereas social scientists would attempt to measure and hold for such differences the authors of the nejm tale of two cities fail even to mention most factors related to crime control 8 the authors dismiss claims that handguns are an effective means for protection unless the criminal is killed such is not the case criminologists ref 5 8 have found that almost 650 000 americans annually use handguns for protection from criminals and that using a gun for protection reduces the liklihood that a crime rape robbery assault will be completed by the criminal and reduces the likelihood of injury to the victim it is interesting nonetheless that the authors reported the same number four of civilian justifiable homicides without firearms in each city but that less restrictive seattle accounted for 100 of the reported civilian justifiable homicides involving firearms 9 the centers for disease control which funded the study editorially praised the paper ref 9 saying it applied scientific methods to examine a focus of contention betweeb advocates of stricter regulation of firearms particularly handguns there is nothing in the paper which could possibly be mistaken for scientific methods by a sociologists or criminologists the vancouver seattle study is the equivolent of testing an experimental drug to control hypertension by finding two ordinary looking middle class white males one aged 25 and the other 40 and without first taking their vital signs administering the experimental drug to the 25 year old while giving the 40 year old a placebo then taking their blood pressure and on finding the younger man had a lower blood pressure announcing in a special article a new medical breakthrough it would be nice to think that such a study would neither be funded by the cdc or printed by the nejm since the longstanding anti gun biases of the nejm and the cdc make them willing to present shoddy research as scientific breakthroughs in special articles and editorials relating to firearms we are obligated to correct the record by notifying the news media and those with congressional and executive oversight over the activities of the centers for disease control about the distortions contained in handgun regulations crime assaults and homicides a tale of two cities and firearm injuries a call for science clearly all scientific standards go by the wayside whenever the cdc and the new england journal of medicine seize an opportunity to attack firearms ownership in america references 1 wright jd et al weapons crime and violence in america a literature review and research agenda washington d c department of justice 1981 2 scarff e evaluation of the canadian gun control legislation final report ottawa ministry of the solicitor general of canada 1983 p 87 3 department of justice federal bureau of investigation crime in the united states 1987 uniform crime reports washington d c government printing office 1988 4 cook pj the role of firearms in violent crime in wolfgang m weiner na eds criminal violence beverly hills calif sage 1982 236 90 pp 270 271 5 kleck g crime control through the private use of armed force social problems 1988 35 1 21 6 ziegenhagen ea brosnan d victim responses to robbery and crime control policy criminology 1985 23 675 695 7 lizotte aj determinants of completeing rape and assault journal of quantitative criminology 1986 2 203 217 8 sayles sl kleck g rape and resistance paper at the american society of criminology convention chicago 1988 9 mercy ja houk vn firearm injuries a call for science nejm 319 1283 1285 guns and sputter by james d wright from july 1989 issue of reason free minds free markets someone once wrote statistics are like a bikini what they real is suggestive but what they conceal is vital the problem is demonstrated by the most recent entry in a long line of scientific research purporting to show a causal link between gun availability and homicide funded by the federal government and published last year in the new england journal of medicine the study compared homicide rates in seattle and vancouver and suggested that a handgun ban may reduce the rate of homicide in a community the nine medical doctors who published handgun regulations crime assaults and homicide essentially reasoned in three steps 1 despite many historical social and demographic similarities 2 vancouver has a markedly lower homicide rate 3 because its stricter gun regulations make guns less available the second step in their reasoning seems indisputable the overall homicide rate in seattle for the period 1980 86 was 11 3 per 100 000 popuation compared with 6 9 in vancouver homicide is definitely more common in seattle the question then becomes why the authors present a believable although not entirely accurate case to support the notion as claimed in the third step of their reasoning that vancouvers handgun regulations are much more stringent but their evidence on the difference in gun availabilty is indirect and unpersuasive indeed they acknowledge that direct evidence on the point does not exist they offer two fragments of inferential data in support of the claim that guns are more available in seattle but for all anybody knows as a matter of empirical fact the opposite could be true we are therefore being asked at the conclusion of the study to believe that a difference in gun availability explains the difference in homicide rates when a difference in gun availability has not itself been established indeed the situation is even more troublesome the first of the two indirect bits of evidence is a difference between the number of concealed weapons permits issued in seattle and the number of restricted weapons permits issued in vancouver differences between the two cities in the permit regulations render these two numbers strictly noncomparable the second bit of evidence is cooks gun prevalence index which stands at 41 percent for seattle but only 12 percent for vancouver cooks index however does not measure the relative prevalence of gun ownership in various cities it measures gun misuse it is an average of the percentage of homicides and suicides involving firearms in the present case the index shows only that in homicides and suicides firearms are more likely to be used in seatte than in vancouver to take cooks index as a measure of general firearms availability it must be assumed that the proportional involvement of guns in homicides and suicides is directly related to their relative availability in the general population but this is exactly what the authors are seeking to prove to assume what one is seeking to prove then to prove it on the basis of that assumption does ot constitute scientific evidence for anything even if we were to grant on the basis of no compelling evidence that guns are less common in vancouver we might still question what causes what the authors attribute seattles higher crime rate to a higher rate of gun ownership but it might well be argued that low crime or homicide rates reduce the motivation for average citizens to obtain guns in other words that crime rates explain the variation in gun ownership not vice versa in fact it was once commonly argued that great britains low rate of violent crime was a function of that nations strict gun laws and the consequent low rate of gun ownership until british researcher colin greenwood found that great britain had enjoyed low rates of violent crime for many decades before strict firearms controls were enacted to invoke an ancient methodological saw correlation is not cause nor do the problems with this study end with its lack of direct data on gun ownership the authors say seattle and vancouver are similar in many ways implying that they differ mainly in gun availability gun law stringency and crime rates this is an evident attempt to establish the ceteris paribus condition of a sound scientific analysis that all else is equal among things being compared clearly the two cities are similar in some ways but a closer look reveals differences in ways that are relevant to their respective crime or homicide rates the cities are closely matched in what percentage of their population is white 79 percent and 76 percent but seattle is about 10 percent black while vancouver is less than 0 5 percent vancouvers minority population is overwhelmingly asian so although the authors show that th two cities are approximately comparable on a half dozen readily available demographic indicators they have not shown that all potentially relevant sources of variation have been ruled out in fact the differences in racial compositions of the two cities is particularly relevant in light of the studys breakdown of homicide rates according to the race of the victim for the white majority the homicide rates are nearly identical 6 2 per 100 000 in seattle 6 4 in vancouver the differing overall homicide rates in the two cities are therefore due entirely to vastly different rates among racial minorities for blacks the observed difference in homicide rate is 36 6 to 9 5 and for hispanics 26 9 to 7 9 methodoligical complexities render the asian comparison problematic but it too is higher in seattle than in vancouver racial minorities are much more likely to be the victims of homicide in seattle than in vancouver the white majority is equally likely to be slain in either city since the nearly 2 1 initial difference in homicide reates between the cities is due exclusively to 3 1 or 4 1 differences between minority groups it is fair to ask why postulated difference in gun availability or gun law strigency would matter so dramatically to minorities but not matter at all to whites can differential gun availability explain why blacks and hispanics but not whites are so much more likely to be killed in seattle than in vancouver studies in the united states incidentally do not show large or consistent racial differences in gun ownership or are other explanations more plausible could the disparity between canadian and american rates of poverty among racial minorities have anything to do with it what are the relative rates of drug or alcohol abuse of homelessness among each ctys minority population the city of seattle runs the largest shelter for homeless men west of the mississippi unemployment among young central city nonwhite men in the united states usually exceeds 40 percent what is the comparable canadian percentage the crucial point is that canada and the united states differ in many ways as do cities and population subgroups with the two countries absent more detailed analysis nearly any of these many ways might explain part or all of the difference in homicide rates in gross comparisons such as those between seattle and vancouver all else is not equal the authors of this study acknowledge that racial patterns in homicide result in a complex picture they do not acknowledge that the ensuing complexities seriously undercut the main thrust of their argument they also acknowledge that socio economic status is probably an important confounding factor in our comparison remarking further that blacks in vancouver had a slightly higher mean income in 1981 than the rest of vancouvers population given the evidence presented in the article it is possible that all of the difference in homicide rates between seattle and vancouver results from greater proverty among seattles racial minorities but the authors pay no further attention to this possibility since detailed information about household incomes according to race is not available for vancouver the largely insurmountable methodological difficulties confronted in gross comparative studies of this sort can be illustrated with as simple example if one were to take all u s couties and compare them in terms of 1 pervalence of gun ownership and 2 crime or homicide rates one would find an astonishing pattern counties with more guns have less crime would one conclude from this evidence alone that guns actually reduce crime or would one insist that other variables also be taken into account in this example the hidden variable is city size guns are more common in small towns and rural areas whereas crime is a big city problem if researchers failed to anticipate this variable or lacked the appropriate data to examine its possible consequences they coud be very seriously misled in the study at hand the authors matched two cities for size but not for minority poverty rates or other hidden variables and their results are impossible to interpret in the editorial firearm injuries a call for science accompanying the study two officials from the centers for disease control lauded the authors for applying scientific methods to a problem of grave public heath significance but in attempting to draw causal conclusions from nonexperimental research the essence of scientific method is to anticipate plausible alternative explanations for the results and try to rule them out absent such effort the results may well seem scientific but are little more than polemics masquerading as serious research that this study is but one of a number of recent efforts all employing practical identical research designs and published in leading scientific journals is cause for further concern james d wright is professor of sociology at tulane university he has researched extensively on the relationship of firearms and crime reason published monthly except combined august september issue by the reason foundation a nonprofit tax exempt organization subscription rate 24 00 per year reason foundation 2716 ocean park blvd suite 1062 santa monica ca 90405 cars rec autos automotive mailing lists how to set up your own archive name rec autos part6 new article as of 4 february 1993 rpw many people want to set up mailing lists for their favorite automotive topics rather fewer know how to do it this article will provide the essential information for doing so on standard unix systems a shell script and examples of alias file setups are included which presently run on a sparc 2 here at balltown cma com for a number of mailing lists note that if you do set up an automotive mailing list please let me know of the request address so that i can list it in the montly rec autos posting also inform the keeper of the usenet list of lists check news answers for this monthly posting first of all to get anywhere you need to either 1 be a sysadmin or 2 have some measure of assistance from your sysadmin it is also important that you have reasonably good network connectivity if it seems like you get everything several days after anyone else or that you have trouble getting email through then your network connectivity is probably not good enough listserv there is a handy automated mailing list package named listserv which is available from several ftp servers on the network details of the installation and operation of listserv are beyond the scope of this article but anyone who is considering running a large mailing list should probably look at listserv carefully the alias file on a typical unix system there is a file named usr lib aliases on whichever file server is your mail host it contains lines such as foo bar baz bletch which means that any email sent the name foo on that host is redistributed to users bar baz and bletch thus the simplest possible email list is my favorite car member1 member2 member3 my address my favorite car request my address this has a couple of problems the most noticeable one being that you have to be superuser to edit the alias file however you can do the following with the connivance of your sysadmin my favorite car include home mydir misc autos my favorite car list my favorite car request my address where the file specified is a list of comma and newline separated addresses this file can be in the list admins home directory owned by the list admin bounced mail this still has a problem bounced mail usually gets distributed to all the members of the list which is generally considered somewhat irritating therefore the way that the driving school mailing list is set up is instructive thanks to harpal chohan of the bmw list for this setup by the way im not sure where he got it from school request welty school rebroadcast include home newwelty misc autos school list school usr local adm bin explscript school owner school school request owner school out school request heres what is going on here the owner and request addresses are intended as traps for bounced mail coming from the network the request address also serves as the point of contact for administrative duties school is what people send mail to instead of pointing at addresses it points at a shell script which rewrites headers before resending the email school broadcast of which nobody except me knows the name the name has been changed here to protect my own sanity points at the actual list members the shell script i use is as follows bin sh cd tmp sed e reply to d e sender d e from d echo reply to 1 balltown cma com echo errors to 1 request balltown cma com echo sender 1 request balltown cma com cat usr lib sendmail om f 1 request balltown cma com f the 1 mailing list 1 rebroadcast exit 0 note that this script does not know the name of the list the name is passed in from outside so that the script may be used for multiple lists i run several out of this site the script excises reply to sender and from lines from the incoming message substitutes for sender and reply to and adds errors to 99 9 of all email bounce messages end up being sent to the request or owner addresses if this header rewrite is done for digested lists there is some digestification software around hopefully ill be able to provide more information in a future version of this posting richard welty welty balltown cma com richard welty 518 393 7228 welty cabot balltown cma com nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis carroll smith guns re should anybody be permitted to own a 50 bmg rifle in article 93111 141747jcehc cunyvm bitnet jcehc cunyvm bitnet writes path nntpd2 cxo dec com pa dec com decwrl ames saimiri primate wisc edu zaphod mps ohio state edu howland reston ans net usenet ins cwru edu news ysu edu psuvm cunyvm jcehc organization city university of new york date wednesday 21 apr 1993 14 17 47 edt from jcehc cunyvm bitnet message id 93111 141747jcehc cunyvm bitnet newsgroups talk politics guns subject should anybody be permitted to own a 50 bmg rifle lines 26 for the moment forget about batf incompetence or fbi hubris did anybody catch rep charles shumer on the news last night holding up a 50 bmg cartridge and rhetorically asking if anybody should be allowed to own one of these i presume he meant the rifle for which it is chambered and not the cartridge which you can get for a buck so whats your guess for the upcoming anti gun agenda 1 a ban on heavy caliber rifles read 50 bmg 2 a ban on sniper rifles 3 a ban on stockpiling guns and ammunition btw shumer is perhaps the most misinformed congressman i have seen on the news i wonder how he finds the floor in the morning michael f gordon jcehc cunyvm cuny edu vote as you shot 19th cent republican campaign slogan shumer is not mis informed he knows full well what he is doing if you look at his other votes and positions as an agent of redistribution of wealth property in this country to him guns and personal freedom are incompatible with his obvious world view they are a threat to the order he would impose r it collectivism vs individualism is an ancient conflict men have come close to the truth but it was destroyed each time and one civilization fell after another civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy the savages whole existence is public ruled by the laws of his tribe civilization is the process of setting man free from men ayn rand roarks speech from the fountainhead i dont speak for my company we hire the politically correct to do that medicine info colonics and purification recently ive come upon a body of literature which promotes colon cleansing as a vital aid to preventive medicine through nutrition in particular dr bernard jenssen in his book colon cleansing for health and longevity the title actually escapes me but it is very similar to that claims that regular self administered colonics along with certain orally ingested debris loosening agents boosts the immune system to a significant degree he also plugs a unique appliance called the colema board which facilitates the self administration of colonics it sells for over 100 from a california based company he also plugs vitra tox products as his chemical agents of choice these include volcanic ash supposedly for its electrical charge and psyllium powder for its bulkiness if anyone knows anything about colon cleansing theory its particulars or the colema board and related products id be very interested to hear about research and personal experience this article is crossposted to alt magick as the issue touches upon fasting and cleansing through a ritual system of purification eli wiesel cs yale edu elisha wiesel davenport college 94 yale university wiesel minerva cis yale edu 203 436 1338 school 212 371 2756 home religion re waco information accuracy in article sandvik 250493170513 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes in article 1r9mflinnak4 crcnis1 unl edu e p unl edu edgar pearlstein wrote an example is the fbi report that several of the bodies found in the rubble had bullet wounds the local coroner who is independent of the fbi has so far found no bullet wounds according to cnn last night saturday 4 24 93 he has now found bullets in two of the corpses in the head that would indicate that the bullets were aimed at killing the humans this will not of course deter the several die hard koreshies on this net who will probably claim that the tarrant county medical examiner dr peerwani was coerced by the fbi into faking this evidence either that or theyll claim the fbi shot them the rest of us might contemplate the difficulty of determining the cause of death from a corpse that has been reduced to a krispy kritter the doge of south st louis dobbs approved media conspirator tm one step beyond sundays 3 to 5 pm 88 1 fm st louis community radio youll pay to know what you really think j r bob dobbs baseball re braves giants in article 13555 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes just a refresher the baseballs came on the field during sundays slugfest when a giants patron refused to throw an atlanta hr back the garbage started hitting the field well before the sunday game it started on thursday or friday i cant recall which games i didnt watch on tbs deion was getting pelted with trash the whole time it seemed the announcers talked about the change in the seating in the bleachers and how that made it easier for the events that transpired i actually thought at the start of the sunday slugfest that since it was a sunday daygame the crowd would be a little different more refined surprise econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke s to my correspondents my email has been changed e l my new address is fls econ duke edu d f if mail bounces try fls raphael acpub duke edu u medicine h e l p m e desperate with some vd i have bad luck and got a vd called granuloma ingunale which involves the growth of granules in the groin i found out about it by checking medicine books and i found the prescriptions and i know i can just go to a clinic to get it cured but unfortunately i am serving my duty in the army right now and i think its impossible to prevent anyone from knowing this if i take leaves every day for two weeks for treatment thus i bought the prescribed tablets at some drugstore but to cure it i must get injection of streptomycin with a dose of 1g every 12 hours for at least 10 days i can probably buy the tools and this solution somewhere but i dont know how to do injection by myself can any kind people here tell me if its possible to do it can i do it on my arm or it must be done on the hip only any info is welcome and please write me or post your help soon i am already taking the tablets and i cant wait please dont flame me for posting this and dont judge me ive learned a lesson and all i need now is real medical help desperate from taipei guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article c5rpoj ijv news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv to get the trial they deserved instead they chose to set fire to their compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas this is about the third person whos parroted the fbis line about the fires being set six hours after the tear gas was injected suppose you want to explain to us the videotape footage shown on national tv last night in which a tank with the gas injecting tubes is pulling its injection tubes out of the second story of a building as the building begins to belch smoke and then fire do tell joe windows panasonic kp x truetype whats going on i have just added a panasonic kp x1123 24pin dot matrix printer to a 386sx 25 i installed the appropriate windows 3 1 printer driver i e one specifically for this printer but im unable to persuade the poxy thing to print correctly what appears to be happening is that the truetype fonts dont get printed properly my experiments show that all graphic images for example a line drawing from corel draw print ok graphicsworkshop for windows happily prints gifs etc ms notepad and ms write will print correctly providing the fonts in the text are printer fonts when i print truetype fonts some lines appear to be printed in the wrong order if i change the text font to a printer font the problem is eliminated i have tried using printer drivers for printers which the kx p1123 snappy name emulates namely epsom lq 850 and ibm proprinter x24 and the same problem occurs if there is some kind soul who can tell me just what the hell is going on i would be most chuffed david h medicine sleep in hospitals was re euse of haldol in elderly in article yfqmlek00iv185co5l andrew cmu edu you say ive seen people in their forties and fifties become disoriented and demented during hospital stays in the examples ive seen drugs were definitely involved speaking from experience one doesnt need drugs to become disoriented during hospital stays i was in hosp for 5 days in late jan what with general noise at all hours of night staff coming every time i turned over or whatever to check me out i didnt get much sustained sleep at night spent days groggy dozing and all it was from my perspective was that i was tired bobm lets reinvent hospital organization s cars re did us drive on the left in article 1993apr6 060553 22453 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes deleted lines well sweden and australia and lord knows wherever else used to drive on australians still do drive on the wrong side of the road i believe sweden changed in 1968 the way i heard it was that they swapped all the traffic signs around one sunday as i live in sweden i remember the day perfectly well we changed side 1967 09 03 or 03 sep 1967 i dont remeber the exactly time but it was in the night in the big cities like stockholm gothenburg all trafic was forbidden exept busses and taxis during the whole weekend the day was a sunday and everything was prepared in before before the day we was told to follow the yellow lines on the road and after it was the white one that matters the signs with arrows on was prepared with a left mode label that was torn off that night to reveal the new right mode arrow the year after iceland also changed about cars before the h day h as in hoegertrafik hoeger is swedish and stands for right practically all cars already had their steering wheels on the left side even the imported cars from uk had the wheel on the right side at last we have cars with the wheels on the right side more contries that uses the left side is japan tanzania i think new zeeland how about south africa btw some sais that the left side is the right side because ivanhoe and other knights meet at the left when they fight in tournaments deleted lines kent gabrin celsiustech systems my thinking is not as great as s 175 88 jaerfaella sweden oliver berendinus bumble will try kega celsiustech se company sold again former name was nobeltech medicine perception of doctors and health care the following article by columnist mike royko is his humorous commentary on some of the publics perception of doctors and their salaries i hope some of you will find it as amusing as i did reprinted w o permission theres no cure for stupidity of poll on doctors salaries by mike royko tribune media services on a stupidity scale a recent poll about doctors earnings is right up there it almost scored a perfect brain dead 10 it was commissioned by some whiny consumers group called families usa the poll tells us that the majority of americans believe that doctors make too much money the pollsters also asked what a fair income would be for physicians those polled said oh about 80 000 a year would be ok how generous how sporting how stupid why is this poll stupid because it is based on resentment and envy two emotions that ran hot during the political campaign and are still simmering you could conduct the same kind of poll about any group that earns 100 000 plus and get the same results since the majority of americans dont make those bucks they assume that those who do are stealing it from them maybe the berlin wall came down but dont kid yourself karl marx lives its also stupid because it didnt ask key questions such as do you know how much education and training it takes to become a physician if those polled said no they didnt know then they should have been disqualified if they gave the wrong answers they should have been dropped what good are their views on how much a doctor should earn if they dont know what it takes to become a doctor or maybe a question should have been phrased this way how much should a person earn if he or she must a get excellent grades and a fine educational foundation in high school in order to b be accepted by a good college and spend four years taking courses heavy in math physics chemistry and other lab work and maintain a 3 5 average or better and c spend four more years of grinding study in medical school with the third and fourth years in clinical training working 80 to 100 hours a week and d spend another year as a low pay hard work intern and e put in another three to 10 years of post graduate training depending on your specialty and f maybe wind up 100 000 in debt after medical school and g then work an average of 60 hours a week with many family doctors putting in 70 hours or more until they retire or fall over as you have probably guessed by now i have considerably more respect for doctors than does the law firm of clinton and clinton and all the lawyers and insurance executives they have called together to remake americas health care based on what doctors contribute to society they are far more useful than the power happy ego tripping program spewing social tinkerers who will probably give us a medical plan that is to health what clintons first budget is to frugality but propaganda works and as the stupid poll indicates many americans wrongly believe that profiteering doctors are the major cause of high medical costs of course doctors are well compensated they should be americans now live longer than ever but who is responsible for our longevity lawyers congress or the guy flipping burgers in a mcdonalds and the doctors prolong our lives despite our having become a nation of self indulgent lard butted tv gaping couch cabbages ah that is not something you heard president clinton or super spouse talk about during the campaign or since but instead of trying to turn the medical profession into a villain they might have been more honest if they had said let us talk about medical care and one of the biggest problems we have that problem is you my fellow american yes you eating too much and eating the wrong foods many of you guzzling too much hooch still puffing away at 2 50 a pack getting your daily exercise by lumbering from the fridge to the microwave to the couch doing dope and bringing crack babies into the world filling the big city emergency rooms with gunshot victims engaging in unsafe sex and catching a deadly disease while blaming the world for not finding an instant cure you and your habits not the doctors are the single biggest health problem in this country if anything it is amazing that the docs keep you alive as long as they do in fact i dont understand how they can stand looking at your blubbery bods all day so as your president i call upon you to stop whining and start living cleanly now i must go get myself a triple cheesy greasy with double fries do as i say not as i do but for those who truly believe that doctors are overpaid there is another solution dont use them thats right you dont feel well then try one of those spine poppers needle twirlers or have rev bubba lay his hands upon your head and declare you fit or there is the do it yourself approach you have chest pains then sit in front of a mirror make a slit here a slit there and pop in a couple of valves youre going to have a kid why throw your money at that overpaid sawbones so he can buy a better car and a bigger house than you will ever have while paying more in taxes and malpractice insurance than you will ever earn just have the kid the old fashioned way squat and do it and if it survives you can go to the library and find a book on how to give it its shots by the way has anyone ever done a poll on how much pollsters should earn royko is a pulitzer prize winning columnist for tribune media services vinay j rao vrao nyx cs du edu baseball ryan rumor this just in nolan ryan hurt his right knee in the 4th inning of the rangers orioles game last night hell be having arthoscopic surgery that will at best keep him on the dl for two to five weeks just when i had almost convinced myself that the rangers rotation would stay healthy this year phil allen texdude cs1 bradley edu religion re kind loving merciful and forgiving god in article 8846 blue cis pitt edu joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin writes m23364 mwunix mitre org james meritt writes a out of context must have missed when you said this about these other promises of god that we keep getting subjected to could you please explain why i am wrong and they are ok or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy both or neither so according to you jim the only way to criticize one person for taking a quote out of context without being a hypocrite is to post a response to every person on t r m who takes a quote out of context did i either ask or assert that or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again btw to david josli im still waiting for either your public acknowledgement of your telepathy and precognition are you a witch or an appology and retraction can you wait without whining to pass the time maybe you should go back and read the portions of my article that you so conveniently deleted in your reply youll find most of your answers there nope in particular once he realized that he had example of telepathy responding jims threa what threat produce it jim again still mystified more telepathy or maybe just empathic telepathy capable of determining emotional states jim trying to more telepathy how do you know trying jim preparing to precognition substantiate all this taken from your message id 8257 blue cis pitt edu guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news in article c4tm1h ecf magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes you are betraying your lack of understanding about rate versus total number rates are expressed often as 100 000 population therefore if a place had 10 deaths and a population of 100 000 the rate would be 10 100 000 a place that had 50 deaths and a population of 1 000 000 would hav a rate of 5 100 000 the former has a higher rate the latter a higher total you are less likely to die in the latter simple enuff for chrissakes take out your calculator and work out the numbers here ive preformatted them for you to make it easier handgun homicides population switzerland 24 6 350 000 uk 8 55 670 000 and then tell me again how switzerland is safer with a more liberal handgun law than the uk is without by rate or total number your choice because there are about 40 homicides total i e using guns knives tire irons baseball bats bare hands etc in switzerland each year and 850 homicides total in england thats three times worse per capita in england than in switzerland since dead is dead it really doesnt matter that 60 of the switz murders involved a gun or that only 0 9 of the english murderers do frank crary cu boulder guns re the law of retribution steve hix writes is there nowhere on the net that this guy will not post not to mention is there anywhere that he makes any sense of course there is perhaps the vogons will put in a hyperspace bypass so that he can get there alan t furman dont blame me i voted libertarian atfurman cup portal com 800 682 1776 for more information baseball ive found the secret why are the red sox in first place eight games into the season they already have two wins each from clemens and viola clemens starts again tonight on three days rest whats up are the sox going with a four man rotation is this why hesketh was used in relief last night hm cheers valentine p s i was wrong the sox have already scored 18 runs in two games this week they should reach 25 without trouble i still think its a fluke cars any syclone or typhoon owners out there i want to start of list for syclone and typhoon owners if you are interested in participating please contact me via e mail merrill windows canon buble jet printer hi can somebody tell me how much is canon bj200 and from where can i buy it for the cheapest price thanks in advance m 0 o 0 0 o medicine re emphysema question thanks to all who replied to my initial question ive been away in new jersey all week and was surprised to see all the responses when i got back to the person asking about nicotine patches there are four on the market habitrol ciba pharmaceuticals nicoderm marion merill dow alza made nicotrol warner lambert cygnus made prostep made by elan and marketed by windows re workaround for citizen drivers for windows 3 1 i have had the best luck using the epson lq 2550 drivers with my citizen gxs 140 be sure to download the updated version from microsoft that allows margin settings gene toye senior software engineer gtoye pssparc2 oc com openconnect systems 2711 lbj freeway dallas tx 75234 214 888 0454 disclaimer my employer had no idea i was going to say that cars ignition kill i just wanted to thank all the netters out there who either posted a response or sent e mail regarding my ignition kill question now that i know how simple a procedure it is it looks like ill be paying my local pep boys a visit this weekend mik medicine need advice with doctor patient relationship problem ml from libman hsc usc edu marlena libman ml i need advice with a situation which occurred between me and a physican ml which upset me ml my questions 1 should i continue to have this doctor manage my care thats easy no you wouldnt take your computer into a repair shop where they were rude to you even if they were competent in their business why would you take your own body into a repair shop where the repairman has such a bad attitude slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein religion re what part of no dont you understand in article 1993apr26 150845 28537 advtech uswest com steven advtech uswest com steve novak writes eeb1 midway uchicago edu writes steve novak writes because of course that possibility existed meaning any student who really gave a shit could have a moment of silence on his her own which makes more sense than forcing those who dont want to participate to have to take part what other reason is there for an organized moment of silence a moment of silence doesnt mean much unless everyone participates otherwise its not silent now is it the whole point is maybe everyone doesnt want to participate and maybe they do but without somebody to set the time that doesnt do them any good humph deleted there was my list of non religious reasons one might want a moment of silence for a dead classmate maybe everyone doesnt want to be silent for teachers to give their pompous non religious speeches in assembly i know i didnt so blindly opposing everything with a flavor of religion in it is utterly idiotic blindly opposing everything with a flavor of religion in it that is supported by taxpayer money is the only way to keep christianity from becoming the official u s religion please provide documentation that opposing only things that are actively religious e g actual prayer amen after a moment of silence mandatory classes in religion and not things that have possible but uncertain religious implications e g moments of silence having the bible on the shelves during reading period is not a way to prevent a state religion pro choice anti roe e elizabeth bartley abortions should be safe legal early and rare cars re warning please read this is a two sided problem unfortunately our culture has been deteriorating over time the breeding of these low lifes is getting worse our justice system is at best extremely weak to handle these problems that is why low abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is imminent my camaro my pride and joy got stolen right out of my driveway a few years back the persons that did that were eventually caught lucky for me but not before having trashed the car on another occasion on my way from texas to florida i had stopped in a small motel for the night in a small town somewhere in florida about 5 youths were disturbing my car setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out when i and another tenant walked out with a 357 magnum and a 45 automatic respectively they vanished needless to say i immediately packed up and left watch out for car jacking and staged accidents they can be deadly steve heracleous baseball re do people want stats in article 10010717 hpfcso fc hp com dougs hpfcso fc hp com doug steele wri tes this is a top 10 posting for the al home runs hits batter team hrs batter team hits gonzalez tex 5 baerga cle 13 palmer tex 4 phillips det 13 did anyone think that texas would have the top two home run leaders at a given point in the season and neither one would be jose canseco steve steve casburn scasburn magnus acs ohio state edu i personally despair of results from anything but violent and ruthless truth telling that will work in the end even if slowly john maynard keynes 1919 baseball re how does a pitcher get a save in article mjones 735602185 fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes mikef bvc edu writes for the record there are two ways that a reliever can get a save he must finish the game and either 1 have entered the game with the tying run on base at bat or on deck 2 have pitched at least three innings effectively a pitcher may not get a win and a save in the same game close but theres a number 3 also 3 have entered the game with no more than a 3 run lead and pitched at least one inning if a pitcher finishes a game which his team has won does not get the win and satisfies at least one of the three requirements he gets a save rusty russell peltz peltz russell cs yale edu p o box 3838 y s new haven ct 06520 medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr26 143101 4307 llyene jpl nasa gov julie eddie jpl nasa gov julie kangas writes i get tired of people saying dont eat x because its bad well x may not be bad for everyone and even if it is so what give people all the information but dont ram your decisions down their throats it is evident you did not read my post carefully i wasnt trying to tell you not to eat msg products and produce nor was i arguing for or against msg i was simply questioning the logic of your statement that simply because a one is not allergic to something and b likes eating that it follows that one could keep eating whatever it is in my post i had clearly said that i dont know enough about msg the statement dont eat x because its bad is just your interpretation of nutritional info out there prakash das religion re info about new age suggestion try exposing the new age by douglas groothuis medicine re opinions on allergy hay fever shots i had allergy shots for about four years starting as a sophomore in high school before that i used to get bloody noses nighttime asthma attacks and eyes so itchy i couldnt get to sleep after about 6 months on the shots most of those symptoms were gone and they havent come back i stopped getting the shots due more to laziness than planning in college my allergies got a little worse after that but are still nowhere near as bad as they used to be so yes the shots do work guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes hambidge bms com wrote in article c4psog c6 magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes rate per capita rate the uk is more dangerous though you may be less likely to be killed by a handgun the average individual citizen in the uk is twice as likely to be killed by whatever means as the average swiss would you feel any better about being killed by means other than a handgun i wouldnt what an absurd argument switzerland is one fifth the size of the uk with one eigth as many people therefore at any given point on swiss soil you are more likely to be crow bait more importantly you are 4x as likely to be killed by the next stranger approaching you on a swiss street than in the uk killed by handgun or killed if im dead i dont much care if it was by being shot or stabbed to death you are betraying your lack of understanding about rate versus total number rates are expressed often as 100 000 population therefore if a place had 10 deaths and a population of 100 000 the rate would be 10 100 000 a place that had 50 deaths and a population of 1 000 000 would hav a rate of 5 100 000 the former has a higher rate the latter a higher total you are less likely to die in the latter simple enuff for chrissakes take out your calculator and work out the numbers here ive preformatted them for you to make it easier handgun homicides population switzerland 24 6 350 000 uk 8 55 670 000 and then tell me again how switzerland is safer with a more liberal handgun law than the uk is without by rate or total number your choice stephen manes manes magpie linknet com manes and associates new york ny usa o o i dont think you can get an accurate indicator of how safe england is compared to switzerland by concentrating only on handgun murders and completely ignoring murders by other weapons not to mention the rate of other violent crimes if there are more guns in circulation if follows that more people will be killed with them cause they are available to the person intent on committing a crime regardless of whether they have to do it with a gun knife or bare hands the gun control lobby doesnt seem to understand this point if people are intent on committing a crime they will do it with whatever means are available to them aaron arc cco caltech edu medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition these are my last words on the subject from lundby rtsg mot com walter f lundby writes as a person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are too i want to know why the food industry wants to put msg in food some people think it enhances the flavor i personally dont think it helps the taste it makes me sick so i try to avoid it from dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes sez you such an effect in humans has not been demonstrated in any controlled studies infant mice and other models are useful as far as they go but theyre not relevant to the matter at hand which is not to say that i favor its use in things like baby food a patently ridiculous use of the additive but we have no reason to believe that msg in the diet effects humans adversely well i know that msg effects me adversely maybe not permanently but at least temporarily enough that i like to try to avoid the stuff from kiran village com kiran wagle writes if you dont like additives then for godsake get off the net and learn to cook from scratch sheesh excuse me why cant people learn to cook from scratch on the net ive gotten lots of recipes off the net that dont use additives if you like additives then get off the net and go to your local supermarket buy lots of packaged foods and you get off the net is it to cover up the fact that the recipes are not very good or the food is poor quality yes and you buy it says something about your taste eh i dont and what happens when the companies forced to submit to your silly notions go out of business because nobody wants to buy their overpriced bad food removing preservatives directly raises food costs by reducing shelf life hey ill pay my hard earned dollars to buy food that costs more but does not have preservatives i choose to speak with my pocketbook in many ways from kiran village com kiran wagle you have a good point msg is commonly used in soups in bottled sauces in seasoning mixtures and in the coating on barbecue potato chips nacho cheese doritos breading for many frozen fried foods like fish and chicken etc ad naseum if msg is really the problem we should call this barbecue potato chip syndrome or maybe diner syndrome or the and other natural flavorings syndrome its been a few years since ive bought anything labelled with and other natural flavorings from kiran village com kiran wagle the reaction came the time the msg was in the food that was the only difference same restaurant same ingredients how do you know this in order to demonstrate your claim you would have had to supervise the preparation on both occasions perhaps they used msg both times and lied about it perhaps once they used something that had begun to spoil and produced some bizarre toxin that youre allergic to well i had had similar reactions many times that was when i really started watching carefully reaction to doritos hey guess whats in there reaction to lawrys season salt guess whats in there ill give you a hint ive had enough problems with many many many different products with msg that i figured out one thing unless i plan on getting sick i wont eat the stuff without my seldane and did i ever learn to read labels please note that i am not saying you are making it up i am just trying to point out that the situation is not always as simple as it might seem which was why i started checking every time i got sick and every time i got sick msg was somehow involved in one of the food products and consider there were no other similar ingredients to my knowledge it might not please a medical researcher but it pleased my own personal physician enough for him to give me allergy medicine and most importantly its enough proof for me to avoid it and enough proof that my incredibly frugal fiance didnt flinch when i literally threw out or gave away all the food products in his pantry that had msg and he always flinches when theres waste but it was a simple explanation i wont eat this stuff i wont cook with this stuff so i can either throw it out or give it away from pattee ucsu colorado edu donna pattee my guess was that the spice mix on the fries contained msg probably lawrys seasoning salt i love the way that tastes im not saying i never consume anything with msg ive noticed that i have a certain tolerance level like a small bag of bbq chips once a month or so it not a problem but that same bag of chips will bother me if i also had chicken bouillon yesterday and lunch at one of the chinese restaurants the day before from kelley healthy uwaterloo ca catherine l kelley all thats needed now is that final step a double blind study done on humans there isnt even an ethical question about possible harm as this is a widely used and approved food additive but some say that only 2 of the population has a problem with msg some say its more like 20 but lets say that its 5 how many people would have to be tested that would have a problem also i know i have a problem with it and i wouldnt volunteer for a test like thanks guys but i dont want to get sick also im sure that most people probably have varying degrees of sensitivities at different times if i have a cold im much more susceptible to the reaction than when im healthy as proven today when im stuffy but for some silly reason i still gave in and decided to have the bbq chips from kiran village com kiran wagle because too many of you generic rhetorical you not you cathy go around calling this chinese restaurant syndrome thus suggesting to the people you complain to that you experience this only from chinese food msg is prevalent in a lot more things than chinese food thats why i suggested calling this diner syndrome cathy doesnt i havent saved all my postings but i never called it chinese restaurant syndrome and i never stated i got it only from chinese food i just thought it would be easiest to conduct my personal test at a chinese take out place that i knew would hold or not hold the msg i cant call up whoever makes doritos and ask them to make me one back of chips without msg on the other hand if one complains about potatoes from a mix or restaurant spice mixes im going to believe them and if anyone says they got msg sick after eating too many barbecue potato chips at a party im really going to believe them well i believe i mentioned that in an earlier post lets see you wrote this message at date 20 apr 1993 00 09 31 0500 but on date 19 apr 1993 16 33 18 gmt i wrote has anyone had an msg reaction from something other than a chinese restaurant lots of times thats why it was so hard for me to pin down i would probably have been easier if id only have the reaction in a certain type of restaurant but ive had the reaction in chinese restaurants and greek restaurants and italian restaurants and steak places i can tell you when a steak joint uses accent to tenderize their meat oh and just in case anyone thinks im prejudice against either chinese food or asian people im not going home to cook some chinese food for the guy im marrying next week incidentally his last name is wu so stop it with the flame mail why does a woman work ten years to change a mans habits and then complain that hes not the man she married barbra streisand mary allison mary uicsl csl uiuc edu urbana illinois baseball re bonilla fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes all of these divisions based on race religion etc make me sick as they should isnt it nice that mlb is finally waking up to their existence isnt it a shame that hiring practices on and off the field have been discriminatory for so long quick name a light hitting black outfielder or 1b who lasted 10 years in the bigs i bet you can name two dozen white ones otis nixon darnell coles henry cotto manny mota billy hatcher herm winningham lonnie smith not light hitting but a horror in the field gary redus dion james daryl boston vince coleman yeah hes finally started to have a decent obp cecil espy willie wilson gary pettis milt thompson gary varsho ok i admit to taking a quick browse through the major league handbook but only after the first 7 or 8 oh and theres the all time light hitting black outfielder lou brock look it up and curt flood cesar geronimo cesar cedeno note these guys may not have reached 10 years yet but theyve got to be close likewise for my list oh and a prediction milt cuyler mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com you know the great thing about tv if something important happens anywhere at all in the world no matter what time of the day or night you can always change the channel jim ignatowski religion re christian owned organization list in article 1993apr16 232149 22105 organpipe uug arizona edu ece 0028 bigdog engr arizona edu wrote sorry but mormons arent generally considered to be christians kcochran nyx cs du edu b 0 4 c d e f g k m r s t tsakc my thoughts my posts my ideas my responsibility my beer my pizza ok do you have some pumps and a purse in this shade a perfume that whispers please come back to me im looking for something in green laurie morgan sorry but it doesnt matter what you think i am a christian who happens to belong to the lds church the church of jesus christ of latter day saints i dont usually read t r m it is truly informative to stop by and see that there are still people in the world like those that forced my ancestors into the deserts of utah and then out of the country entirely my grandmother was born in mexico where her family had moved to escape religious persecution in the us im willing to admit that members of other churches are christians if they believe in christ and try to follow his teachings even though they have different interpretations of the bible and yet these other churches often go out of their way to define whether or not i am considered to be christian could someone mail me a set of rules beliefs that must be followed to be a christian does this set of rules exclude other large bodies of believers i know this is a waste of everyones time this has probably been discussed n times etc i guess im more sensitive to this demonization after what went on in texas don corbitt donc microsoft com mail flames post apologies support short sigs three lines max i consider this a rebuttal not a flame windows screenreading programs for ms windows hi i use a pc with a screen access program ibm screen reader and a speech synthesizer accent sa i would like to find out about screen access programs for the windows platform i heard that were a couple of them out now under beta testing i would like to find out addresses prices etc thanks raman t v raman raman cs cornell edu tel 607 255 9202 r 272 3649 office 4116 upson hall department of computer science cornell university ithaca ny 14853 6201 res 226 bryant avenue ithaca ny 14850 guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 93112 153005mgb slacvm slac stanford edu mgb slacvm slac stanford edu writes from a p according to numerous accounts by those in the compound the fire was started by an armoured vehicle crushing a large propane tank and turning over numerous gas lanterns if there was a large propane tank and it was breached dont you think that there would be an identifiable explosion further the bd members have as much reason to lie as the govt medical examiners have found no bullet wounds as was stated by the fbi on the corpses theyd only autopsied one body when this information was released i wouldnt doubt though i find it tremendously chilling that so many people seem willing to accept the governments story despite much evidence to the contrary the only evidence that exists right now at least what we know about is various claims and counter claims im waiting until the hard evidence is released what about you mitchell s todd mst4298 zeus tamu edu guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 1r6h4vinn844 clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras wrote you seem to make two points no one ultimately oversees the federal agencies you mention and since koresh apparently has a different view point from your baptist upbringing then he is not worthy of protection from religious persecution as to being the messiah is not christ within us all must be comforting to belong to a government approved religion baptists are a cult two btw under most of the definitions in the dictionary of cult ive yet to meet a group of baptists who were stockpiling cambells soup and m 16s ar 15s and banging marrying thirteen yuear olds youre a sorry son of a bitch if you cant draw a distinction between these two things people like you cheapen our constitution by using it to defend sociopaths who arent deserved of it get a life and chill on the paranoia joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu guns no cost to gun waiting periods in article 1rhr7s fg1 access digex net carlaron access digex com carl aron writes im not sure were this thread has been before i popped in but ive never thought of waiting periods as having anything to do with training or competence i just cant imagin any valid reason for having a gun that cant wait a few days you cant think of any valid reason to own a gun that cant wait either you have a very limited imagination or a strange definition of the word valid here are a few reasons you might want a gun right now youre a korean greengrocer in la and a riot has just started in a nearby neighborhood youve received a death threat your so has just broken your arm and you fear for your life if you stay with him and hes said hell kill you if you leave him a psychopath is breaking into peoples houses in your neighborhood and robbing and killing people inside a violent mugger is operating on the route you have to take to get to your night job there are lots of dangers you might be in that wont wait for the waiting period for you to purchase a gun pro choice anti roe e elizabeth bartley abortions should be safe legal early and rare guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5sv88 hjy news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes in article 1r1j3n 4t transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1r19tp 5em bigboote wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas do you eat all your food cold ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves very popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially brent shows his ignorance once again power had been cut for weeks and hes never lived in a rural area if he thinks electric stoves have favor there they stop working when the power fails and power restoration come much slower in the country than the city lp gas stoves and ovens are very much prefered personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 religion re kind loving merciful and forgiving god in article 8968 blue cis pitt edu joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin writes m23364 mwunix mitre org james meritt writes joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin writes m23364 mwunix mitre org james meritt writes a out of context must have missed when you said this about these other promises of god that we keep getting subjected to could you please explain why i am wrong and they are ok or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy both or neither so according to you jim the only way to criticize one person for taking a quote out of context without being a hypocrite is to post a response to every person on t r m who takes a quote out of context did i either ask or assert that or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again 1 stephen said you took a quote out of context 2 you noted that stephen had not replied to some other t r m article call it a that took a quote out of context 3 but the lack of evidence for x does not constitute evidence for the lack of x a common creationist error 4 so the fact that stephen did not reply to a does not justify the conclusion that stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in a excellent now under what conditions could such a conclusion be made other than a direct assertion by his part for instance am i to assume that you have no position on eating shit merely because you have not said your position or might a conclusion be made by observing that you do not 7 i assumed you were being logical and that the sentence that begins could you please explain was not a nonsequitur but was intended to follow from the sentence that preceded it is that better jim its called an argument if you disagree with it explain why the argument is not sound i admit that my assumption in 7 may have been a bit hasty if you agree with it just say yup have you by chance ever even heard of inductive logic you are not demonstrating any familiarly with it i e you are being insufficiently logical windows re permanaent swap file with dos 6 0 dbldisk in article 93059 hydra gatech edu gt4356c prism gatech edu james dean barwick writes more on permenent swap files im sure everyone who has an uncompressed part of their compressed hard disk has seen the message you have selected a swap file greater than the suggested size windows will only use the size suggested do you want to create this swap file anyway or something like that well a friend of mine robert called microsoft and asked them what and why what they said is that windows checks the amount of free disk space and divides that number by 2 then it checks for the largest contiguous block of free disk space windows then suggests the smaller of the two numbers they also said that under absolutely no circumstances none will windows uses a swap file larger than the suggested size well thats what he said i call bull if this is true why does windows report the memory is available to me if its not going to use it i think the support droid was malfunctioning and confused the disk space limit with the virtual address space limit as far as the disk is concerned you are limited only by the amount of contiguous free space the limit that causes the message windows will only use is the amount of virtual address space that the virtual memory manager will create and this is a function of the amount of free memory that you have when windows starts in the 386enh section of system ini you can specify a parameter pageovercommit multiplier the following description is from the windows resource kit this entry specifies the multiplier what determines the amount of linear address space the vmm will create for the system which is computed by rounding up the amount of available physical memory to the nearest 4 mb and then multiplying that value by the value specified for pageovercommit increasing this value increases the amount of available linear address space causing the size of data structures to increase this also increases paging activity proportionately and can slow down the system you can specify a value between 1 and 20 the default is 4 to change this entry you must edit system ini bob nichols at t bell laboratories rnichols ihlpm ih att com cars regal fiberglass parts i have a 1982 regal and i am interested in buying a fiberglass hood trunk and bumpers for it does anybody know of a company who makes fiberglass parts for regals thanks in advance mike baseball re designated hitter rule in article ekdfc 14 0 ttacs1 ttu edu ekdfc ttacs1 ttu edu david coons writes in article 1993apr4 221228 17577 bsu ucs 00ecgillespi leo bsuvc bsu edu writes i am doing a postition paper on the designated hitter rule any information or even opinions would be greatly apprecitated 00ecgillespie magic should be rescinded the rules say baseball is a game between two teams of nine players each lets keep it that way last weeks sports illustrated has a couple of big articles on the designated hitter it is the 1993 baseball issue th is weeks sports illustrated guns re two questions in article 16bb910f7 pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu david veal writes in article 16bb8c820 sbanka vm temple edu sbanka vm temple edu writes id appreciate any help anyone could give me on these two questions the brady bill was in the news throughout 1992 but what actually happened to it in congress did bush veto it if so when the brady bill passed the house in 1992 but failed to reach a vote in the senate as such it never reached bush sarah bradys condemnation not withstanding i have a joint house senate conference committe report i e crime bill for the 102rd congress which contains a brady bill 7 day waiting period within it i believe it just died and never came up for a vote in either house itll probably pass the house again and will probably pass the senate if they can get it to a vote whether of not theyll be busy with other things will be the question they got four years of clintons support to pass it larry cipriani l v cipriani att com medicine re help for kidney stones in article 1993apr21 143910 5826 wvnvms wvnet edu pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu writes my girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones she says that because she has no medical insurance she cannot get them removed my question is there any way she can treat them herself or at least mitigate their effects any help is deeply appreciated advice referral to literature morphine or demerol is about the only effective way of stopping pain that severe obviously shell need a prescription to get such drugs cant she go to the county hospital or something gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon medicine why isolate it does anyone on this newsgroup happen to know why morphine was first isolated from opium if you know why or have an idea for where i could look to find this info please mail me csh any suggestionas would be greatly appreciated kilimanjaro is a pretty tricky climb most of its up until you reach the very very top and then it tends to slope away rather sharply sir george head obe jc logic the point is frozen the beast is dead what is the difference gavin millarrrrrrrrrr jc religion re whos next mormons and jews in article 1993apr20 220340 2585 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee writes armed to the teeth a christian should not have to rely on physical weapons to defend himself a christian should rely on his faith and intelligence faith and intelligence tell me that when a druggie breaks into my house at night with a knife to kill me for the 2 in my wallet a 357 is considerably more persuasive than having devotions with him tom albrecht guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1993apr20 124518 886 batman bmd trw com auerbach batman bmd trw com writes women stand up for your right to be just as stupid as men our new attorney general seems determined to do so in the past few days she has said she hopes the king beating will not reduce public confidince in law enforcement the tactics of using tear gas and driving tanks through walls in waco were intended to further a peacefull solution to the crisis those same tactics were intended to prevent a mass suicide but she never expected the sect to react by killing themselves its comforting to know at least that she wasnt clintons first choice frank crary cu boulder medicine re great canadian scientists shell cs sfu ca barry shell writes first name last name nominator famous for sid altman kuszewski john catalytic rna nobel chem 89 the picture from the press conference on the cover of the times that day had prof altman at the lectern holding a yale pennant over his head there was a tiny canadian flag pasted atop the yale crest he may also have had his tongue sticking out but i might be confused with a picture of mark messier holding the 1987 canada cup aloft heck id be that happy too in either case gld je me souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley baseball re jack morris my father is a huge tiger fan and i am a loyal blue jay fan who endured the collapse of 87 the heartbreak of 85 i dont have the stat book so lets throw them out first of all morris in his heyday 81 88 vs clemens 86 present how many cy youngs does morris have how many cy youngs does clemens have ballparks and such fenway average pitchers park detroit hugh hitters paradise morris is a great team pitcher sort of in the doug drabek mold if morriss team needs a well pitched game as in minn in 91 morris snaps the ball and throw for ks otherwise he just tries to get people out as for clemens in the elias stat book of 1992 i believe that clemens has the best lifetime record for his team as compared to when he doesnt pitch how bad would the red sox have been last year without him can you say 92 phillies i believe clemens is the better pitcher because of more power and hsi great tenacity morris is among the guttiest pitchers i ve ever seen but clemens is in a class with seaver carlton etc paul sparks windows fast dosvga and 1024x768x256 windows video card info needed ok i have a 486dx50 isa w diamond stealth vram 1mb i was really satisfied w its performance in windows but now more and more games needs higher frame rates in dos vga especially this new strike commander this stealth vram can only give me 17 5 fps i use 3dbench my winmark was 6 35 million i think so right now im considering to replace it w a new card which hopefully can perform approx same w my current vram in windows and also can perform dos vga preferably 30fps i also saw the 3dbench benchmark list from someone who compiled it in csipg and it looked that speedstar 24x and orchid prodesigner 2d s ware the fastest for non local bus motherboard both can give 30fps in dos vga w 486dx2 66 does anyone have a winmarks for both of those cards above with the processor type which one is the worthiest not necessarily fastest any other card recommendation is welcomed too also if possible where can i get this card for the cheapest thanks in advance folks martin windows re solution multi setups on standalone easy peter goudswaard goudswaa fraser sfu ca wrote setup deleted finally in order to run your specific version of windows you must simply change the path to include c winmastr and your specific configuration path e g c winwife you could get fancy and use batch files environment variables or a menuing system to do this other stuff delete if you happen to be running the new msdos 6 you could use multi setup to provide a menu with a menu choice for each person using the machine power up select your name the menu will use your personal sections of config sys and autoexec bat thus setting up the path then running your windows copy ron temp at intel views are my own cars v4 engines on the subject of the v4 ford in the uk used v4 engines exstensively in their ford transit vans this brings back a memory from the seventies i played in a band at the time and for something like 180 pounds four of us bought a 1967 tranny to cart the gear around in it was in terrible shape cosmetically because its last owner was a pig farmer we spent days cleaning it up and putting in a partition and more seating but til the day it died everytime you turned on the fan to the defroster dried pig shit came flying out the vents back to the engine if i remember right it was a 1600cc v4 and that thing could haul we could fill it with equipment and up to 8 people and it went like a bat out of hell of course there were no pollution controls on the engine and the gas was leaded and higher octane than we get now when the mechanical fuel pump quit we put in an electric one from a morris minor that worked great ah fond memories pwe slipknot mit edu id like to own a squadron of tanks paul w emery ron nasty the rutles m i t magnet lab cambridge mass u s a costellobeatlesspinaltapfawltytowersmuttsavengersstartrek tngenglandrutles baseball rockies and rangers fans please help me greetings baseballers i have a choice of two more or less identical conferences to attend one in denver and one in dallas both may 24 28 could some kind rockies or rangers they do play in the dallas area right fans please let me know if there are home dates for that week id love to catch a game thanks shawn cars re old corvettes low insurance in article c5j5mi fmi news rich bnr ca peon w o email eric youngblood writes in article 1993apr15 011805 28485 ns1 cc lehigh edu swr2 ns1 cc lehigh edu scott warren rosander writes in article c5csux fn1 news cso uiuc edu gdhg8823 uxa cso uiuc edu george hei nz writes after too many years of school im finally graduating and getting a real job of course i am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra money right now i have an 89 accord a good car but not real sporty i was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around 20k on a sports car of some kind after thinking about it i may have a better idea ill keep the accord until it drops and buy the car ive always wanted a corvette stingray my reasoning is that 8000 accord 8000 corvette 16000 is less than what i would spend anyway basically im thinking of a late 70s early 80s for around 7 10k my question is what are good years to consider for reliability looks horsepower in that order believe it or not horsepower is not a main concern if i want to go fast i get on my motorcycle and what are good prices also what would insurance look like im male single 23 i might wait until im 25 to get the car lower insurance would the fact that i mainly drive the other car lower it is there some type of classic car or rarely driven insurance class for driving it under 10k miles per year my dad has a 66 vette and its on what you say classic insurance basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving time which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would probably suit your needs for limited mileage in my area denver if you look around alittle you can get an 1984 for 10 000 or less not much less you said your not looking to go fast they are a really nice car just not real powerful in addition to restricted mileage many classic insurance carriers also require that the vehicle be garaged when not in use 0 02 ericy eric youngblood bell northern research richardson texas 75082 peon w o email privs medicine vitamin b6 doses forgive me but just the other day i read on some newsgroup or other a physicians posting about the theraputic uses of vitamin b6 i cant seem to locate the article but i recall there was mention of some safe limits i looked at a balanced 100 time release formulation from walgreens and noted that the 100 mg of b6 was some thousands times the rda is this safe also what was the condition that b6 was theraputic for mail would be just fine if you dont want to clog the net thanks leon traister lmtra uts amdahl com windows re challenge to microsoft supporters hey larry how can you be a comp sci major and never crash a damn computer what does your cs dept teach you or are you just that good of a programmer that not one of your assembly programs have ever downed your machine crash protection is such a marketing gimick it isnt funny out of 4 months of using windows on my new machine ive only had it crash once and i dont have a run of the mill configuration why do you bother putting up such stupid posts or are you that ignorant bob campbell clarkson university potsdam ny campbers craft clarkson edu religion the bad press islam has recieved i recently read an article in a local paper written by an islamic person who was upset with the way islam has been portrayed by western media when a terrorist action takes place in the middle east it is always played up as an islamic terrorist however when the a serbian terrorist attacks the croations its not a christian terrorist its just a terrorist i have often tried to explain this to some close friends who believe the press that islam is somehow tied to violence often times you hear things like they just dont value human life like we do and so on i was wondering if anyone out there had any suggestions for how we can change this image or how i can help my friends to see that this is just hype i would appreciate any serious suggestions or comments via e mail and im not interested in hearing about how right the press is scott vann buddha iastate edu windows re re challenge to microsoft supporters om in 1993may17 064503 13114 microsoft com cliffga microsoft com clifford garrett writes yes a lot of what os 2 2 0 has in common with os 2 1 x was written by you guys however many of the things that made os 2 2 0 so much more successful win os 2 workplace shell than previous versions were ibm work yes certainly it was ibm that wrote the windows code cliff do you know the difference between windows and win os 2 heres a helpful hint running windows under os 2 2 0 is only possible in real mode in a dos box of course this is only possible with windows 3 0 since windows 3 1 no longer has a real mode the ability to run standard mode the ability to have an os 2 windows clipboard the ability to run seamless and a few other things were all added by ibm to win os 2 now everybody who is running windows in real mode in a dos box under os 2 2 x raise your hand finally everybody who is running win os 2 under os 2 raise your hand get the picture cliff mike dahmus internet miked vnet ibm com vnet mdahmus at boca penpm development ibm ipnet mike schleppo bocaraton ibm com ibm personal systems disclaimer not an official ibm spokesman baseball looking for strategic boardgame for baseball last year my nine year old son fell in love with baseball and now likes to play and to follow the professionals i would like to buy him a board game so he can catch a glimpse of and practise a little of the managerial stragegy i am not looking for a computer game or any type of game where manual dexterity determines the winner i am after something that he and his friends can spread out over a table on a rainy day and spend some thoughtful time over i would appreciate the names of any recommended games i dont follow this newsgroup so e mail responses would be ideal michael mgoddard ehd hwc ca michael goddard 613 954 0169 fax 613 952 9798 b9 environmental health centre tunneys pasture ottawa canada k1a 0l2 mgoddard ehd hwc ca michael goddard 613 954 0169 fax 613 952 9798 b9 environmental health centre tunneys pasture ottawa canada k1a 0l2 cars re most bang for 13k in article 1993apr17 014638 56998 ns1 cc lehigh edu rwf2 ns1 cc lehigh edu r obert william fusi writes in article 23056 74 uupcb cutting hou tx us david bonds cutting hou tx us d a vid bonds writes in rec autos cpkjp vm cc latech edu kevin parker writes id like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the 13000 to 16 000 price range im looking for a car with enough civility to b e driven every day or even on long trips but when i hit the gas i want to fe e l take a look at a 91 taurus sho they can be found for 13k and are the ultimate in 4 door sports cars performance similar to a mustang but quite civil and comfortable try to get a late model 91 for the better shifter the cutting edge bbs cutting hou tx us a pcboard 14 5a system houston texas usa 1 713 466 1525 running uupcb well you could always go with a 5 0 mustang lx with a pleasant v8 but the diamond star cars talon eclipse laser put out 190 hp in the turbo models and 195 hp in the awd turbo models these cars also have handling to match the muscle and are civil in regular driving conditions rather than having a harsh stiff ride the awd turbo is clearly the better choice of the two because of all that torque steer on the front drive model but you may have to go with a leftover or slightly used model for that price range tough decision rob fusi rwf2 lehigh edu car and driver did a test with the same basic idea and chose the ford probe gt 5sp of course windows windows exit problem hello i have a problem with my window 3 1 program sometimes when i save settings of program manager the system corrupt one or more grp files and progman exe cant open it on next start thanks for any answer chrobert baseball re boog powell was re camden yards in article 1993apr13 150904 25249 alchemy chem utoronto ca mark b says was he better than balboni this borders on blasphemy bob vesterman baseball re phillies sign mark davis i had heard the rumors about la cin hou and sd all being interested in mark davis so it doesnt surprise me that a team had to give up something and cash to actually get him lynch mob ps anyone else draft this guy i really did and got a loud cry of when will you ever give up on this guy windows dos6 doublespace stacker 3 0 is it okay just as the title suggest is it okay to do that i havnet got dos6 yet but i heart doublespace is less tight than stacker 3 0 what are disadvantage advantages by doing that any comments will be appreciated martin guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1r0qsrinnc61 clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes in article c5s0ds j54 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes i agree that they deserved a trial they had more than 40 days to come out and get their trial they chose to keep the children with them and to stay inside they chose to stay inside even after they were tear gassed i do not find these actions rational even noriega was smart enough to give up and go for the trial he deserved mr roby you are a government sucking heartless bastard unworthy of comment humans died yesterday humans who would not have died if the fbi had not taken the actions they did that is the undeniable truth i cried for them nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty that is undeniable truth my heart bleeds just as much as yours for the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities to do so my heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious devotion to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning you seem to say they got what they deserved i do not think this however if they did set the fire which started in more than one place and spread very quickly then they got what they wanted and put into motion themselves i see the batf is going to be investigated by the justice dept and likely by arlen spectre and congress this is good they have bungled the affair from the start jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 windows atm ive been reading with much confusion about whether or not to use atmanager lately all the packages ive been buying have all included atmanager as a bonus i do some desktop publishing using pagemaker and coreldraw coreldraw comes with a nifty laser disk that contains over 200 diff types add that to the ttfonts that come with win31 and you have a decent amount of fonts i print my creations out on an hp4 postcript at 600 dpi resolution with the resolution enhancement technology and well i get some darn good copies so good that there isnt any diff whether or not atmanager is turned on or not is it worth it to run atm at all especially with these better printer technologies and tt avdean baseball re mlb c in article 5086 cvbnetprime com cvalcour ptex prime com sorry i missed the posting wrote could some kind soul please email me a copy of mlb c thanks chris v cvalcour ptex prime com mlb c is archived on the internet baseball archive anoymous ftp to eucalyptus cc swarthmore edu 130 58 67 44 you must use your full email username id as a password cd baseball schedules its filed as mlb schedule program c for clarity schedules pre generated for east coast times are there as text files as well and a couple of teams tv schedules please send me more tv info if you have it on other teams matt matt wall wall cc swarthmore edu hey i gotta job here ok april 6 1993 boston red sox seize first place windows re mac disks in windows in article 1t6efv 1pj binkley cs mcgill ca gel binkley cs mcgill ca gilles khouzam writes macsee zip on ftp cica indiana edu is supposed to read and write mac disks ive never tried it though good luck i just tried it but i cant say that it works cause it doesnt read 800k disks it only reads 1 44mb if there a program that does read 800k disks please let me know im not sure that this is possible due to the way the mac writes the 800k disk i think the way the sectors are set up are different enough that a pc 3 5 cant read it this is a hardware problem which software cannot correct hope this helps and correct me if im wrong medicine atrial natriuretic factor anp is secreted by the atria in response to increases in fluid volume and acts to facilitate sodium and water excretion from the kidneys can someone tell me the molecular mechanism by which this is done please email your response thanks pog mo thon religion keep firm the foundations job 26 7 he stretcheth out the north over the empty place and hangeth the earth upon nothing job 38 4 where wast thou when i laid the foundations of the earth declare if thou hast understanding guns re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm 0 90 2 735132009 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes drivers licence forgot that usa is the land of cars getting one in scandinavia and northern europe is not easy average time is about 20 hours of training and the cost is rather is the license required for driving a car exclusively on private property such as a farm here in the united states the license is required only for the use of public roads abuse by the goverment this seems to be one of the main problems any harder gun control would just be abused by the goverment either some of you are a little paranoid no offence or you should get a new goverment you do have elections we also have a nation of 250 million people many issues and usually only two candidates for a given office a president might be willing to abuse mild gun control laws and create a de facto ban something a majority of the people would object to and still be elected the voters might look at issues like the civil rights of minorities health care etc and vote for the lesser of two evils i dont think this is a matter of paranoia since local governments in for example new york and chicago have abused existing mild gun control laws to create a virtual ban guns n criminals most weapons used by criminals today are stolen known criminals can not buy weapons thats one of the points of gun control in which case the united states already has adaquate gun control laws according to federal statistic only 7 of gun wielding criminals legally purchase their own guns from licensed dealers if thats the point of gun control to prevent criminals from legally purchasing guns then america doesnt need any additional laws to accomplish this mixing weapons and things that can be use as one what i meant was that cars can kill but they are not guns how is this any different from guns there are legal purposes for owning and using a gun they are appropriate tools for hunting target shooting and self defence like cars murder isnt their only or even a common use if 50 of all murders was done with axes would you impose some regulations on them or just say that they are ment to be used at trees and that the axe is not a problem its the axer i certainly couldnt imagine the american public accepting regulation of axes while the politics of other nations may be different in america there is strong opposition to any intrusive law that primarily would effect the average law abiding citizen who had not done anything wrong think about the situation in los angeles where people are buying guns to protect themselves is this a good situation is it the rigth way to deal with the problem a good way to deal with which problem it is an excelent way to deal with the short term problem of rioting and violent attacks of course it doesnt do anything for the long term issues that start riots but at this point what can these individuals do about long term social problems if everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals and their neighbor who have guns what do you think will happen i mean if everybody had a gun in usa there are according to surveys guns in 40 of american homes in many parts of the country this is closer to 100 those places where almost everyone owns a gun are on average safer than those where guns are less common last word responsible gun owners are not a problem but they will be affected if you want to protect your citicens this is i think a fundamental difference between american government and that of other nations here it is not acceptable to punish or restrict the average law abiding citizen in the name of some vague common good frank crary cu boulder medicine re smokers lungs in article 1993apr5 123315 48837 kuhub cc ukans edu bennett kuhub cc ukans edu writes how long does it take a smokers lungs to clear of the tar after quitting does your chances of getting lung cancer decrease quickly or does it take a considerable amount of time for that to happen seems to me that i read in either a recent ny times science times or maybe it was science news that there is evidence that ex smokers risk of lung cancer never returns to that of a person who has never smoked i think it may get close ill find the article and post it since my memory is hazy on the specifics if you are interested michael guns re re guns gone good riddance iftccu talk politics guns jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu 3 34 pm apr 18 1993 surrender your arms soon enough officers will be around to collect them resistance is useless they will overwhelm you one at a time listen buddy if youre going to quote star trek get the quote right it was resistance is futile get it right the next time sounds like a vogon quote to me perhaps you should read more widely instead of watching that idiot box rick guns re text of white house announcement and q as on clipper chip encryption in article strnlghtc5tr6d n3n netcom com strnlght netcom com david sternlight writes though i agree this is not the place to discuss guns i note in passing that a number of gun apologists seem to have ignored the words well regulated in their distorted interpretations of the second amendment what interpretations just read it as its written a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed where does it say the right of the people to be members of a militia shall not be infringed or the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed nowhere well educated businessmen being necessary to the ability of the nation to compete in the international marketplace the right of the people to attend schools shall not be infringed would you interpret this to mean that only businessmen should have a protected right to attend schools why or why not joe cars re service indicator of a bmw save youself the cash take it from a bmw mechanic idiot lights are for just that buy yourself a ballpoint pen and write it down yourself change your oil every 3000 mi and you will be just fine follow the regular service intervals in you r book also windows wanted address symantec i am looking for the exact address of the symantec coporatoin which distributes norton desktop and other windows software the information i am looking for is mail address phone number fax number e mail address thanks in advance nothing beats skiing if you want to have real fun during holidays rob de winter philips research ist it building wl 1 p o box 80000 5600 ja eindhoven the netherlands tel 31 40 743621 e mail dewinter prl philips nl guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu writes in article 1r6h4vinn844 clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras wrote you seem to make two points no one ultimately oversees the federal agencies you mention and since koresh apparently has a different view point from your baptist upbringing then he is not worthy of protection from religious persecution as to being the messiah is not christ within us all must be comforting to belong to a government approved religion baptists are a cult two btw under most of the definitions in the dictionary of cult ive yet to meet a group of baptists who were stockpiling cambells soup and m 16s ar 15s and banging marrying thirteen yuear olds i dont recall saying baptists do any of that though i suppose some do and none of them are listed in the dictionary as characteristics of a cult my mother stockpiled campbells soup when it was on sale youre a sorry son of a bitch if you cant draw a distinction between these two things you are an intolerent foul mouthed human you sound like you are ready to join the kkk or neo nazis with a narrow mind like yours people like you cheapen our constitution by using it to defend sociopaths who arent deserved of it get a life and chill on the paranoia far from it i defend the rights of anyone to be different under our constitution which was formed in part to protect religious cults which had been persecuted in england before migrating here to be free you are the one endangering our constitution joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 windows dataproducts lzr1260 not printing correctly cut here part 03 03 m2c3 jsg a j7lus 30xc 16 y dk me t f6 3qx h 80h mgnm u d d yw0 r t 2v xlfp6 f9 p a4 b ad v1 w m 6p 3 bu l p fvi l8q w x aq lp 9vnf5 90 hf 8mng2 m j a9 1rs2fe rxf6ml xfg kjji n5h8bu cf 831 0 r0 m b4g m w13vw sv zffut9 uo jvlt w8l 3fy88 4 0cg 2s mj2s mu2y8 6 e d c6 r 42k 8 f 2s jc jqlxn 4 n f al m 0 i 6s7b7 z uev jc k pt ujyu0 7fhyo10s afgut jh5j8 m9 gz hx u7iw nxmu o n w q b 7 rj t1nja9f x ew nq mh kx4 u h9is0c77a6h 5 jy50s2 jse t u x5j 5 2j mv 2i4npzjn2e4 a ms3 m89jgdy5 yo ps5 vo2pg5 j 8f4 v m q9ca8 jof s iyyev5 m 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telecomwa oz au perth western australia v guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r3j2k da2 menudo uh edu hadcrjam admin uh edu miller jimmy a writes minor quibble the assualt and it was one began near dawn the fire did not break out for several hours minor quibble back at you i am in the same general area as the koresh compound and i can tell you that the air was quite chilly that morning especially with the high winds that were blowing of course the swiss cheese walls made it even worse cars re changing oil by self sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu steven j orlin writes infante acpub duke edu andrew infante writes youre actually worried about somebody stealing your oil ahhh yes andrew we meet again no not stealing the oil just draining it as to leave me stranded cmon you think a vandalll do that let me guess youre from hudson ohio hey whats this hudson crap actually the only place my car has ever been broken into was in hudson at my in laws in their driveway took my vuarnets and some change damn kids regards brian bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu i am the engineer i can choose k department of engineering mechanics ohio state university columbus oh windows re procomm plus for windows problems you have a lot more problems keeping up with hardware interrupts in windows than in dos regardless of what communication software you are using try the following 1 turn off disk write cache for the disk you are downloading to the cache will save up so much that when it grabs control of the machine it takes too long to write to disk and you loose characters 2 use a different uart for your serial line the old uarts 8250 or 16450 can only buffer one character internally the new uarts 16550 can buffer 16 which should be plenty for most situations you can run windows msd exe to find out what uart is on the machine ron windows re canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 thomas d fellrath 1 nd edu nd edu wrote the key issue that i bought my bj 200 on was ink drying speed you really have to try awful hard to get the bj 200 ink to smear the hp deskjets need 10 15 seconds to completely dry in both cases however do not get your pages wet unlike laser printers the material on your pages is ink not toner but that should go without saying i think the ink now used in the deskjet family is water fast windows re tiff file viewer needed in article 1993may17 061914 22239 cs sfu ca chapman cs sfu ca john chapman writes hello i am in need of a file viewer for 24 bit tiff images to run under windows 3 1 if it matters alternatively a package to run an x server on top of windows would do very well unfortunately the budget for this is limited so whatever i end up using has to be public domain or very inexpensive thanks in advance for any help john chapman cs sfu ca paintshop pro for windows is a fantastic product it can handle tiff gif bmp pcx and many other formats displaying them and converting between them there is a shareware version of the program i assume its available in the windows areas of the standard anonymous ftp locations id try ftp cica indiana edu log in as ftp use your username as a password and look for a program called psp101 exe or something like that i have the registered version and the only major difference i can detect is that the unregistered version pops up a message when you start the program asking you to please register it once again fantastic software up to 24 bits huge images everything brian brian kasper aka prisoner 655321 my hovercraft is full of eels the aerospace corporation internet kasper aerospace aero org medicine re my new diet it works great in article 1qk6v3innrm6 lynx unm edu bhjelle carina unm edu writes gordon banks a lot to keep from going back to morbid obesity i think all of us cycle ones success depends on how large the fluctuations in the cycle are some people can cycle only 5 pounds unfortunately im not one of them this certainly describes my situation perfectly for me there is a constant dynamic between my tendency to eat which appears to be totally limitless and the purely conscious desire to not put on too much weight when i get too fat i just diet exercise more with varying degrees of success to take off the extra weight usually i cycle within a 15 lb range but smaller and larger cycles occur as well im always afraid that this method will stop working someday but usually i seem to be able to hold the weight gain in check this is one reason i have a hard time accepting the notion of some metabolic derangement associated with cycle dieting that results in long term weight gain i have been cycle dieting for at least 20 years without seeing such a change as mentioned in adiposity 101 only some experience weight rebound the fact that you dont doesnt prove it doesnt happen to others chuck forsberg wa7kgx tektronix reed omen caf author of ymodem zmodem professional yam zcomm and dsz omen technology inc the high reliability software 17505 v nw sauvie is rd portland or 97231 503 621 3406 baseball re why is barry bonds not batting 4th in article franjion 735432623 spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjione writes as to whether it does him any good to have bonds behind him the net stat mavens will probably tell you theres no reason that it should but if he thinks it will it might be a self fulfilling prophecy i dont understand if it is williams lack of ability which you say above and i agree with which causes him to swing at bad pitches how will thinking that bonds hitting behind him will help him to stop chasing bad pitches i didnt mean that it would necessarily help him improve at that specific deficiency i meant that if having bonds bat behind him gives williams possibly unfounded confidence that might translate into more hitting productivity but youre right if williams biggest problem is more physical than mental thats less likely to make a difference michael zimmers voice 408 996 1965 softhelp suppliers to software developers data 408 996 1974 guns questions to ponder the libertarian second amendment caucus in fort collins colorado submitted this as a questionnaire to the city council candidates in the upcoming election as expected very few of the candidates 3 of 13 responded but they know were watching feel free to use any and all of these questions that strike your fancy or use them as inspiration for your own 1 would you be willing to state in writing that if you are publicly demonstrated to have violated your oath of office you would resign and never run for office again 2 under what circumstances do the rights of the group come before the rights of the individual 3 would you support a city charter amendment prohibiting the city government its officials agents and employees from initiating force against any human being for any reason 4 please put the following list in order of precedence from lowest to highest a city ordinance b city resolution c state law d federal statute e u s constitution f state constitution 5 do you believe that its appropriate for any city official or employee to be paid more than his or her average private sector constituent 6 do you believe that involuntary contributions are a legitimate means of funding council programs 7 would you support a program recognizing the right of taxpayers to earmark their taxes either as must be used or must not be used for specific programs 8 in the event that the candidate none of the above were to win a city election which option do you believe most appropriate a the candidate with the next highest vote total fills the office b a special election is held to fill the office with none of the previous candidates eligible to run again c let the office remain unfilled and unfunded until the next election d abolish the office please return your questionnaire to address of your choice a signature and date line were added here thank you for taking the time to fill out this questionnaire the questionnaires were sent with self addressed stamped envelopes p s one person did get a perfect score on the questionnaire and no he didnt help write it cathy smith my opinions are of course my own guns re atf burns dividian ranch update wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf writes then post what the press has said not what you wished they said the medical examiner has refuted the fbi facts and if you dont believe someone who has a lot more reason to be impartial then what do you have to say for yourself in the interest of accuracy seems a liitle late to start that i know the medical examiner has not contradicted the fbi the fbi said they found some folks who had been shot in the head and the medical examiner said we have not seen evidence of this at the time the medical examiner said that they were dealing with charred bodies in the compound this sounds like typical medical examiner not releasing details until a thorough investigation the medical examiner saying he hasnt seen something is not the same thing as saying that it isnt there while it might end up being true that the fbi had spoken falsely it isnt clear yet that they have baseball re twins update 4 22 paul csd4 csd uwm edu paul r krueger writes in article 1993apr23 151050 8995 sctc com macomber sctc com chuck macomber writes wednesdays game marked the first opposing left handed starting pitcher for the twins this year rickey bones nice post chuck but you made just one mistake bones is a right handed pitcher however hrbeks grand slam came off graehme lloyd a lefty salty my mistake chuck guns re the dayton gun buy back re boston gun buy back excerpts from netnews talk politics guns 21 apr 93 the dayton gun buy back by larry cipriani cbnews cb is there something similar pro gun people can do for example pay 100 to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm sounds a bit tacky but hey whatever works pro gun people can take used pot metal guns with sale values less than 50 00 and turn them in thus making a profit at the gun grabbers expense seth unlike cats dogs never scratch you when you wash them they just become very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong dave barry seth eliot dept of material science and engineering carnegie mellon univerity pittsburgh pa arpa eliot cmu edu or se08 andrew cmu edu bitnet se08 andrew cmccvb medicine sheep in cardiac research dear news readers is there anyone using sheep models for cardiac research specifically concerned with arrhythmias pacing or defibrillation i would like to hear from you many thanks andrew mears please email me andrewm iris bio uts edu au andrew mears h 61 2 9774245 crc for cardiac technology uts w 61 2 3304091 westbourne st gore hill f 61 2 3304003 n s w 2065 email andrewm iris bio uts edu au guns re bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks wrote in article 1r6p8oinn8hi clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras wrote i have not made up my mind about waco but there sure seems to be a group of devoted government following fanatics willing to believe whatever that government wants to tell them without any shred of doubt nor thought of thier own they sure get shrill whenever their belief structure is being shaken kinda reminds you of the bds doesnt it jim go to hell im no government following fanatic your sweeping generalizations evince your own ignorance what were they supposed to do just let him be yes given the history of the bds and the fact that they were just peacefully minding their own business i think this would have been the correct course of action in the very beginning everything that followed was a direct result of the major media fuck up that the batf perpetrated just over 51 days ago fuck him fuck the atf too they shouldve done it right the first time joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu yep no doubt about it they should have just bombed those kooks right from the git go yeah sure so much for any resemblence to an america that abides by the constitution so much for feeling safe in your home so much for any of the rights enumerated in the bill of rights being upheld why bother they just get in the way of an effective government that is a government of the elite by the elite for the elite joe attitudes like yours frighten me you have very few facts about what actually happened and what information you do have came from a single source the fbi batf yet you are more than happy to pronounce the bds guilty as charged based on this one sided testimony scary keith marchington cars re braindead drivers who dont look ahead in 1993apr14 230524 9578 ctp com bpita ctp com bob pitas writes in article zdem0a 734707529 hgo7 zdem0a hgo7 hou amoco com donna martz writes stuff deleted excuse me but i understood what mr smith meant and i have often observed when traffic is blocked solid that if a few people yeild to the moron who is impatiently riding bumpers the slug at the front of the pack will miraculously wake up change lanes and viola no more jam granted the situation here does not apply to rush hour in a crowded city but i have observed this situation regularly on your average interstate six or eight sets of cars side by side bunched up in a pack with open freeway fore and aft as far as you can see the people who refuse to yeild as a point of honor are just as annoying as the slug in the front i agree that if traffic is all blocked up and you want to pass you might not feel like moving over for someone behind you because you dont want to give them that one car length when they should just wait like you are but if youre one of those people that just sits behind the person and doesnt flash them with the high beams or pull left and flash them or ride their bumper or otherwise tell them that you do in fact want to go by and youre not just drafting them then get the hell out of the way of someone who will i especially hate it when you flash someone at the back of a line and they dont pass it on so after ive flashed my lights at the chap in front and he doesnt pass it on and few if any do what next on major highways 3 or more lanes in each direction keeping to the extreme right blocks folks who are entering also as someone posted in this thread here in the d c area we have a few left lane exits sounds like 66 if you wait until the last minute to get in the left lane you wont cause these yoyos wont make room we have a particularly bad strech here in merryland just over the cabin john bridge there are two very long entry ramps which all the hurry up yahoos dive into cause they want to get ahead when we get to the point where these ramps merge all hell breaks lose the result is that traffic which was moving at 55 on the va side of the bridge stalls on tother side if these dingbats had stayed in lane allowed the folks coming up the two ramps to merge we would still be doing 55 instead we do start stop for 4 miles dave barrys idea of a laser equipped car would be real useful here bob ps if you drive the beltway and want to merge look for a brown probe with a silver haired driver then use your signals i dont read minds but i do try to be courteous they told me courtesy was contagious but i guess the folks around here have had their shots cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico in article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu david g wonnacott writes im considering switching to geico insurance but have heard that they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim i was worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim i have also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident ive read in this group that geico has funded the purchasing of radar guns by police depts im not sure where cars ree mgb questions the whire wheels arent chromed they were to be painted silver grey the accelerating from a stop shouldnt be doggy because of the light weight of the car dont pull the topto make it reach the snaps i pulled a couple out of the top doing that replacing the spanps usually doesnt work let it sit in th e sun open on the car for a couple hours the try gently i continually blew up the 4 connecting rod bearing be sure your not buring too much oil dont expect too much of a smooth ride the lever arm shocks hold the road and your bladder the are ultra expensive supposedly the can be rebuilt j c whitney sell a shock replacement kit the uses standard shocks i had to rebuid boththe brake and clutch master cylinder in addition to the clutch slave this work made a world of changes be sure the carb is the original type replacement my 1970 had dual stomberg oil dampenned side draft carbs ask if the clutch has ever been replaced to replace the engine and tranny have to be pulled as a unit if you need more i had mine all through hiogh school lots of maintenance to use every day baseball re best homeruns the best one i saw last year was willie mcgee off matthews i think in phillie a fierce line drive that was still rising when it hit the second deck facade at the vet willie mcgee had one homerun last year eric baseball re geronimo pena in article 1r20avinnb6q cronkite central sun com bobn hawkwind central sun com bob netherton writes in article 1993apr20 013653 1 eagle wesleyan edu dhart eagle wesleyan edu writes hey ive noticed that luis alicea is starting at 2nd for the cardinals instead of geronimo pena is pena hurt or was he just benched for poor performance anyone know after a quick start pena has been stuck in a rut torre gave alicea the start to try to get pena out of whatever funk he is in it has worked in the past and it has worked again pena went 3 for 3 last night against colorado dave spencer mead data central miamisburg ohio ggggg oooo g o o daves meaddata com g gg o o ggggg oooo a a ttt rrr iii bbb eee o t r r i b b e t rrr i bbb eee t rr i b b e t r r iii bbb eee guns re need info on 43 1 and suicide for refutation in article 1qmuv8innl8s dns1 nmsu edu loki acca nmsu edu entropic destroyer writes the following is quoted from the tail end of a rather condescending article about paxton quigley that appeared in us snooze and world lies sorry i think it was in the wall street journal and was repeated in the colorado peoples daily a student newspaper at the university of colorado at boulder a study of residential gunsot deaths in king county wash found that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner spouse a friend or child than to kill an intruder the used to kill is the heart of the misinformation its one of those technically accurate phrasings that conveys the wrong impression what mr quiqley is more than aware of im sure is that when people read this they think violent arguments where one member of the family grabs a gun and shoots another thereby creating a tragic situation which could easily have been avoided had the gun not been there or a tragic accident especially involving a child unfortunately thats not the way things stack up the majority of that 43 times 37 i believe are suicides that is someone intentionally took a firearm and shot themselves intending to kill themselves and why its popular to try and blame suicides on guns the evidence doesnt support this internal studies as well as comparative studies with other countries indicate that cultural factors far outweigh whether a person will kill themselves or not japan for instance has a slightly higher rate than the u s there people jump off buildings according to the national crime survey 40 of violent crime is commited by non strangers which mistakenly has been generalized regarding the king county study to mean friends and family that is mr quigley and others who quote this statistic are banking on the mental image that a friend family member or child equates to a loving relationship and that it was cut short in a moment of anger unfortunately all too often husbands beat and kill wives children assault parents or vice versa most rapes are commited by someone known to the victim for instance essentially that a gun was used against a friend or family member doesnt mean they werent trying to hurt the other person crime is highest among poor urban families and those are also the areas most at risk for family problems especially violent ones a son in a gang may not be as loving toward his parents if they disapprove than a suburban kid might finally it hinges on the fallacy that a dead intruder is the only value of a self defense firearm using the minimum figures i worked out using the ncs i got about an 80 1 ratio between deadly self defenses justifiable homicides and with gun self defenses between the fbi uniform crime report and the ncs theres an enormous amount of data and anybody with the calculator can crunch the numbers as such it is incorrect to assume that a dead body is the only valid means of determining the success of such a defense since according to the ncs which has been considered by many to seriously under report defenses there were far more successful with gun defenses than intruders killed not it also confines itself to the home where attack by a friend or family member is far far more likely and excludes any defense which occurs outside the home i believe a large number occur in businesses studies by the western psychiatric institute in pittsburgh found that the mere presence of a gun in the home sharply incresases the likelihood a family member will commit suicide even in the absence of psychiatric illness i have not seen the exact data for this so i cant comment i will point out canadas and japans suicide rate as indications that culture far more than firearm availability affect suicide rates there was also a comparative study between canada for what its worth considering the difficulty of comparing across cultural lines published in the new england journal of medicine i can get the exact cite if you need it that concluded that restrictive firearm laws would not significantly impact the over all suicide rate david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al baseball re marlins win marlins win in article lloyd 060493114752 128 32 250 77 lloyd uclink berkeley edu lloyd nebres writes look at all that teal bleah indeed if the color teal on a teams uniforms is any indication of the future the marlins are in dire trouble refer to the san jose sharks for proof but i have hope for the marlins i was a sometime member of the rene lachemann fan club at the oakland coliseum and have a deep respect for the guy hes a gem and of course walt weiss gives that franchise class but yeah whoever designed those uniforms was guilty of a paucity of style and imagination ugghhh maybe im just a child of the 80s but i really liked the marlins uniforms the helmets shine nicely in the sun its enough to make me a fan ted frank however teel should have mentioned that though thf2 kimbark uchicago edu his advice is legally sound if you follow it the u of c law school you will probably wind up in jail standard disclaimers james donald in misc legal medicine umbilical hernia could anyone give me information on umbilical hernias the patient is over weight and has a protruding hernia surgery may be risky due to the obesity what other remedies could i try thanx in advance dr gary taylor medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article c5jodh 9ig news hawaii edu lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee lady writes furthermore the big bucks approach to science promotes what i think is one of the most significant errors in science choosing to investigate questions because they can be readily handled by the currently fashionable methodology or because one can readily get institutional or corporate sponsorship for them instead of directing attention to those questions which seem to have fundamental significance shades of james watson thats exactly the way many workers have described their misgivings about the human genome project if you take a rigid definition of scientific research the mere accumulation of data is not doing science one of the early arguments against the project were that the resources would be better used to focus on specific genetics related problems rather than just going off and collecting maps and sequence the project cant be so narrowly defined or easily described now though cars re dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading need help i dont know about where you are but here in california false representation of odometer readings is a criminal felony if you can substantiate this you need to report that dealer to the local authorities you should consult with a lawyer to tell you what civil action you can take as well keep in mind that you will have to prove that the dealer was aware of the change in the dashboard brian donnell windows windows speaker sound driver is there an ftp site where i can get the ms speaker sound driver theres a sound exe file that claims to be the driver but im suspicious since its not a drv file thanks alec lee windows re mac disks in windows in article 1t6efv 1pj binkley cs mcgill ca gel binkley cs mcgill ca gilles khouzam writes macsee zip on ftp cica indiana edu is supposed to read and write mac disks ive never tried it though good luck i just tried it but i cant say that it works cause it doesnt read 800k disks it only reads 1 44mb if there a program that does read 800k disks please let me know well you cant say that it dont work the inability to read 800k mac disks is not a sw problem rather its a hardware limmitation on pcs i have seen a post about a program able to read non 1 44mb mac disks which comes with a watchamacalit ma memorys faling card which you just drop into a com port or something dont remember specifics tho peace mickey medicine re what are the problems with nutrasweet aspartame in article 1993apr17 181013 3743 uvm edu hbloom moose uvm edu heather writes nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than sugar some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces when it degrades nutrasweet it is thought to form formaldehyde and known to for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate substances the real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde produced are high enough to cause significant damage as both are toxic to living cells all i can say is that i will not consume it in the september 1992 issue of the tufts university diet and nutrition letter there is a three page article about artificial sweeteners what follows are those excerpts which deal specifically with nutrasweet reproduced without permission the controversy over aspartame began six years ago in england where a group of researchers found that aspartame marketed under the tradename nutrasweet appears to stimulate appetite and presumably the eating of more calories in the long run than if a person simply consumed sugar when researchers asked a group of 95 people to drink plain water aspartame sweetened water and sugared water they said that overall they felt hungriest after drinking the artificially sweetened beverage the study received widespread media attention and stirred a good deal of concern among the artificial sweetener using public however its results were questionable at best since the researchers did not go on to measure whether the increase in appetite did actually translate into an increase in eating the two do not necessarily go hand in hand in the years that followed more than a dozen studies examining the effect of aspartame on appetite and eating were conducted and after reviewing every one of them the director of the laboratory of the study of human ingestive behavior at johns hopkins university barbara rolls ph d concluded that consuming aspartame sweetened foods and drinks is not associated with any increase in the amount of food eaten afterward one artificial sweetener that is not typically accused of causing cancer is aspartame but it most certainly has been blamed for a host of other ills since its introduction in 1981 the government has received thousands of complaints accusing it of causing everything from headaches to nausea to mood swings to anxiety still years of careful scientific study conducted both before and after the sweeteners entering the market have failed to confirm that it can bring about adverse health effects thats why the centers for disease control the government agency charged with monitoring public health the american medical associations council on scientific affairs and the food and drug administration have given aspartame one of the most studied food additives a clean bill of health granted the fda has set forth an acceptable daily intake of 50 milligrams of aspartame per kilogram of body weight to exceed the limit however a 120 pound 55 kg woman would have to take in 2 750 milligrams of aspartame the amount in 15 cans of aspartame sweetened soda pop 14 cups of gelatin 22 cups of yogurt or 55 six ounce servings of aspartame containing hot cocoa a 175 pound 80 kg man would have to consume some 4 000 milligrams of the sweetener the amount in 22 cans of soda pop or 32 cups of yogurt to go over the limit chart with aspartame content of selected foods omitted only one small group of people must be certain to stay away from aspartame those born with a rare metabolic disorder called phenylketonuria or pku the estimated one person in every 12 000 to 15 000 who has it is unable to properly metabolize an essential amino acid in aspartame called phenylalanine once a child consumes it it builds up in the body and can ultimately cause such severe problems as mental retardation to help people with pku avoid the substance labels on cans of soda pop and other aspartame sweetened foods must carry the warning phenylketonurics contains phenylalanine rich young these are not kodaks opinions medicine help purification of neutrophils from mice hello i need a technique for separation of polymorphonuclear neutrophils pmn from the peripheral blood of mice because of the low pmn lymphocyte ratio approx 20 80 it s not just as easy as the corresponding technique used with human blood yours per arne melander ps my e mail address is per arne melander histocel umu se ds medicine bates eye exercises have i mailed this to the correct newsgroup s are there other newsgroup s which cover the following topic has anyone with myopia short sightedness ever done the bates eye exercises if so could you please e mail me the following information age and state of sight before exercises were commenced type frequency and length of time spent on exercises performed improvements noticed immediately after performing exercises length of period before any improved sight deteriorates thanks in advance for any replies ill summarise and post results if theres enough interest jonathan goldstein jonathan goldstein goldstej nms otc com au 61 2 339 3683 windows re utility for updating win ini and system ini in article 1993apr20 220556 19652 news uit no svein pedersen sp odin fna no writes sorry i did nt tell exactly what i need i need a utility for automatic updating deleting adding changing of ini files for windows the program should run from dos batchfile or the program run a script under windows i will use the utility for updating the win ini and other files on meny pc s do i find it on any ftp host svein if you are managing pcs on a novell network get the network management tools provided by either sabre software or automated design systems among the many features youll find utilities that can help you to manage ini files stored on users workstations or home directories this is commercial software and well worth the money to date i have not found anything available via ftp that could compare reply to the address in my sig for more info stephen gibson system support specialist sonoma state university email gibsonst sonoma edu stephen gibson sonoma edu guns constitutionality of 18 u s c 922 o you know i was reading 18 u s c 922 and something just did not make sence and i was wondering if someone could help me out say u s c 922 1 except as provided in paragraph 2 it shall be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun well i got to looking in my law dictionary and i found that a person might also be an artificial entity that is created by government and has no rights under the federal constitution so what i dont understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on an individual so someone tell me how my government can tell me what i can or cannot possess just passing a law does not make it law everyone knows that laws are constitional until it goes to court so has it ever gone to court not just your run of the mill ok i had it i am guilty put me in jail has anyone ever claimed that they had a right to possess and was told by the supreme court that they didnt have that right brian sheets truck what truck support engineer o o atlas telecom inc raiders of the lost ark brians atlastele com u medicine re good grief was re candida albicans what is it in article noringc5snsx kmo netcom com noring netcom com jon noring writes in article rind enterprise bih harvard edu david rind writes in article davpa ida liu se david partain writes someone i know has recently been diagnosed as having candida albicans a disease about which i can find no information apparently it has something to do with the bodys production of yeast while at the same time being highly allergic to yeast can anyone out there tell me any more about it i have a lot of info about this disease i am posting a small amount of it that i extracted if more is required e mail me ls8139 gemini albany edu please it takes me some time to upload it so be advised only request it if you really want it here is some info from infotrac health reference center also check you local of univeristy library they most likely have the infotrac cd rom this info was taken from infotrac health reference center oct 89 oct 92 heading candida albicans dictionary definition 1 mosbys medical and nursing dictionary 2nd edition copyright 1986 the c v mosby company candida albicans a common budding yeastlike microscopic fungal organism normally present in the mucous membranes of the mouth intestinal tract and vagina and on the skin of healthy people under certain circumstances it may cause superficial infections of the mouth or vagina and less commonly serious invasive systemic infection and toxic reaction see also candidiasis infotrac health reference center oct 89 oct 92 the material contained in health reference center oct 89 oct 92 is provided only for informational purposes and should not be construed as medical advice or instruction consult your health professional for advice relating to a medical problem or condition heading candida albicans 1 yogurt cure for candida acidophilus il v22 east west natural health july august 92 p17 1 text available text copyright east west partners 1992 another folk remedy receives the blessing of medical study researchers have found that eating a cup of yogurt a day drastically reduces a womans chances of getting vaginal candida a yeast infection for the year long study researchers at long island jewish medical center in new hyde park new york recruited 13 women who suffered from chronic yeast infections for the first 6 months the women each day ate 8 ounces of yogurt containing lactobacillus acidophilus for the second 6 months the women did not eat yogurt the researchers examined the women each month and found that incidents of colonization and infection were significantly lower during the period when the women ate yogurt the fungus candida albicans can live in the body without doing harm it is an overproliferation of the fungus that leads to infection the researchers concluded that the l acidophilus bacteria found in some brands of yogurt retard overgrowth of the fungus streptococcus thermophilus and l bulgaricus are the two bacteria most commonly used in commercial yogurt production neither one appears to exert a protective effect against candida albicans however women who want to try yogurt as a preventive measure should choose a brand that lists acidophilus in its contents end infotrac health reference center oct 89 oct 92 the material contained in health reference center oct 89 oct 92 is provided only for informational purposes and should not be construed as medical advice or instruction consult your health professional for advice relating to a medical problem or condition heading candida albicans 1 candida monilia infections caused by fungi infectious diseases by harold c neu the columbia univ coll of physicians surgeons complete home medical guide edition 2 89 p472 1 text available text copyright crown publishers inc 1989 candida monilia this disease is usually caused by candida albicans a fungus that we all carry at one time or another in some circumstances though the organisms proliferate producing symptomatic infection of the mouth intestines vagina or skin when the mouth or vagina are infected the disease is commonly called thrush vaginitis caused by candida often afflicts women on birth control pills or antibiotics there is itching and a white cheesy discharge among narcotic addicts candida infections can lead to heart valve inflammation diagnosis of candida infections is confirmed by cultures and blood tests treatment can be with amphotericin b or orally with ketoconazole there is no evidence that candida in the intestine of normal individuals leads to disease all people at one time or another have candida in their intestines claims for any benefit from special diets or chronic antifungal agents is not based on any solid evidence end i hope this is informative larry live from new york its saturday night tonights special guest lawrence silverberg from the state university of new york albany aka ls8139 gemini albany edu windows re win nt what is it can anyone tell me how chicago windows 4 would differ from os 2 2 x believe it or not im not trying to start a flame war here im simply curious if there is going to be any feature advantage in either of these products i do not consider the fact that it has uncle bills seal of approval much of a feature one difference will probably be the same difference as between os2 and windows 3 x now one will likely have a lot of software available for it and one wont emulation with the inevitable incompatibilities that crop up in spite of all the contrary claims just doesnt count when you have to use a certain software package that doesnt quite run properly under the emulation developers want to channel their resources toward a platform that has a large installed base and in a case like that the platform that is most successfully marketed regardless of its relative sophistication will win lamont downs downs nevada edu baseball hits stolen centerfield 1992 disclaimer this is for fun in my computerized baseball game i keep track of a category called stolen hits defined as a play made that an average fielder would not make with average effort using the 1992 defensive averages posted by sherri nichols thanks sherri ive figured out some defensive stats for the centerfielders hits stolen have been redefined as plays juan gonzalez would not have made ok i realize thats unfair juans probably the victim of pitching staff fluke shots and a monster park factor but lets put it this way if we replaced every centerfielder in the league with someone with kevins 55 4 out making ability how many extra hits would go by to try and correlate it to reality a little more ive calculated net hits stolen based on the number of outs made compared to what a league average fielder would make by the same method ive calculated net extra bases doubles and triples let by finally i throw all this into a a formula i call defensive contribution or dcon basically it represents the defensive contribution of a player i add this number to ops to get dops defense onbase plus slug which should represent the players total contribution to the team so dont take it too seriously the formula for dcon appears at the end of this article the short version definition of terms hs hits stolen extra outs compared to kurt stillwell nhs net hits stolen extra outs compared to average fielder ndp net double plays extra double plays turned compared to avg fielder neb net extra bases extra bases prevented compared to avg fielder dcon defensive contribution bases and hits prevented as a rate dops dcon ops quick dirty measure of players total contribution national league name hs nhs neb dcon dops nixon o 34 12 15 083 777 grissom m 48 18 12 072 812 jackson d 46 13 20 060 735 lewis d 25 8 6 029 596 dykstra l 25 5 5 013 794 dascenzo d 10 5 10 001 616 finley s 32 2 2 003 759 lankford r 39 4 12 007 844 martinez d 21 5 16 017 660 vanslyke a 30 4 17 040 846 sanders r 7 10 4 059 759 butler b 1 29 5 088 716 johnson h 3 12 19 118 548 ordered by dops 846 vanslyke 844 lankford 812 grissom 794 dykstra 777 nixon 759 finley 759 sanders 735 jackson 730 nl average 716 butler 660 martinez 616 dascenzo 596 lewis 548 johnson american league name hs nhs neb dcon dops lofton k 57 32 17 220 947 wilson w 47 26 0 125 787 white d 52 25 28 119 812 felix j 22 0 32 063 713 devereaux m 43 16 0 047 832 mcrae h 38 11 1 038 631 yount r 31 8 3 022 737 kelly r 13 6 3 025 681 johnson l 23 5 13 040 641 griffey k 15 9 12 052 844 puckett k 13 13 15 063 801 cuyler m 6 10 6 088 503 gonzalez j 0 21 15 095 738 order by dops 947 lofton 844 griffey 832 devereaux 812 white 801 puckett 787 wilson 738 gonzalez 737 yount 713 felix 709 al average 681 kelly 641 johnson 631 mcrae 503 cuyler more discussion dcon formula nhs ndp pa nhs ndp neb ab why such a bizzare formula basically its designed to be added into the ops with the idea that a run prevented is as important as a run scored the extra outs are factored into obp while the extra bases removed are factored into slg thats why i used pa and ab as the divisors for more discussion see the post on hits stolen first base 1992 dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball cars re too fast in a previous article callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison says in article 1qn4ev 3g2 usenet ins cwru edu aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer writes in a previous article wrat unisql uucp wharfie says in article 1qkon8 3re armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes larger engine thats what the sho is a slightly modified family sedan with a powerful engine they didnt even bother improving the brakes that shows how much you know about anything the brakes on the sho are very different 9 inch or 9 5 i forget discs all around vented in front the normal taurus setup is smaller discs front drums rear one i saw had vented rears too it was on a lot of course the sales man was a fool titanium wheels yeah right then later told me they were magnesium more believable but still crap since al is so m uch cheaper and just as good i tend to agree tho that this still doesnt take the sho up to standard for running 130 on a regular basis the brakes should be bigger like 11 or so take a look at the ones on the corrados where they have braking regulations well lets see my t bird sc has a computer controlled adjustable suspension 4 wheel abs disks 11 vented front 10 rear 3 point belts sturdy passenger compartment aerodynamics good enough for nascar without too much change 210 hp 310 ft lb supercharged 3 8l v6 4 wheel independent suspension plus limited slip differential with a top speed in excess of 130mph and rides on v rated tires i have yet to find 225 60 r16s in any other speed rating is that up to standard if not why not james james i really hate to do this but try reading the damn posts never was a tbird mentioned the discussion was about shos and stangs not being up to spec i do not know about tbirds i only know that the specs quoted for the sho by previous poster sounded a little anemic for me to say that it was up to snuff this does not in any way disencourage me from wishing to own one nor does it make it a bad car it merely means that i think ford could have added that extra bit of safety and tossed in larger brakes as the wheels are plenty large enough for them to fit if memory serves right which it may very well not and the motor plenty powerful enough to need it c ya drew windows re emm386 and windows on my pc i almost exclusively run windows the only dos based application i have is procommplus in my config sys i have emm386 loaded with the option noems no expanded memory following a thread in one of the comp newsgroups i read that it was no necessary to have emm386 loaded indeed in the manual it says that emm386 is used to get expanded memory out of extended memory since i have the noems option it seems to me that the emm386 device is useless in my case should i use emm386 or should i remove it from my config sys thanks for your help eric emm386 noems enables the system to use the upper memory between 640 and 1024 thats a good place for device drivers dos kernal etc keep it in cars re super mega automobile sighting s exotics together in article 1r7f9qinnk24 phantom gatech edu grahamt phantom gatech edu graham e thomas writes jmm4h virginia edu the blade runner writes a gt 40 gotta be in my top 5 favorite cars of all time list where is this place was the car for sale come on i need details or not anyways i just had to say wow at the sighting of such a fine beast but remember the mustang will forever be the true king of the road the place was in what used to be a small town now a suburb north of atlanta i dont know if the car was for sale or not you wouldnt put a price on the window on this type of car anyway damn straight as far as ive heard unless the owner is very hard up the gt 40s are not for sale at any price that mere mortals could afford and maybe the mustang will be forever king of the road the gt 40 isnt road legal i think the gt 40 actually is street legal although that particular question is moot see the price figures below this car was right hand drive werent they all like that how much does a gt 40 go for how many were made i wish i could find my shelby american guide it included the gt 40 registry as of 88 or so there were precious few of them made fifty is the number that springs to mind they made just enough to qualify for the manufacturers cup or whichever series it was that shelby broke ferarris 13 year winning streak in in 65 and they are all accounted for the last price i saw estimated on a gt 40 was a little bit over 1 000 000 yes thats right one million us dollars it was second only to some worthless piece of ferrari that it would blow the doors off of i dont recall off hand what the drive configuration was although im certain some must have been lhd as they had to be sold to qualify for racing the drivertrain was the ford 427 hi riser i think and or side oiler coupled to various 4 speed transmissions they also used 3 speed manuals they had lots of problems with the original trannys breaking under the load of the 427 layout was rear engine rear drive with the bundle of snakes exhaust headers i can remeber other bits and pieces of info but i cant remember whether they applied to the gt 40 or the shelby cobra daytona coupe ill try and find that reference james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven baseball game score report just out of curiosity what happened to the weekly al and nl game score reports i used to enjoy reading them throughout the summer for the last two years inquisitively yours joel joel chan joel math toronto edu dept of mathematics university of toronto toronto blue jays 1992 world series champs history those who ignore it are condemned to repeat it math too from the comic strip betty medicine re need info on circumcision medical cons and pros need info on circumcision medical cons and pros in article c63yg5 8th cs uiuc edu gunnar blix blix milton cs uiuc edu writes i need information on the medical including emotional pros and cons of circumcision at birth i am especially interested in references to studies that indicate disadvantages or refute studies that indicate advantages a friend who is a medical student is writing a survey paper and apparently the studies she has run into are all for circumcision the main argument being a lower risk of penile cancer please email responses as i am not a frequent reader of either group i will summarize to the net im very surprised that medical schools still push routine circumcision of newborn males on the population since your friend is not a man she cant imagine what its like to have a penis much less a foreskin i guess if american medicine did an artistic job of circumcising every male then the visual result would be somewhat more natural in appearance the penile cancer thing has been completely debunked she must be going to school on a south pacific island tell her to check the journal or urology for circumcision articles i remember at least 1 on an old jewish man cut at birth who developed penile cancer i mean if the cancer risk was that great the europe who have been circumcising like crazy too teaching a boy how to keep his cockhead clean is the issue a little proper hygiene goes a long way americans are just too hung up on the penis to consider cleaning it thats just way too much like mastubation so you have surgical intervention that is basically unnecessary medicine looking for a doctor i was kind of half watching street stories last night and one of the segments was about this doctor in s f who provides a service of investigating treatment for various diseases im pretty sure his name is dr mark renniger sp or close to that did anyone else watch this id like to get his correct name and address phone number if possible thanks cars rfd rec autos saab request for discussion this is a request for discussion on the creation of a newsgroup concerning saab cars it will allow participaants to exchange information on purchasing maintaining repairing and outfitting saabs group name rec autos saab status unmoderated rationale there may be enough people with saab cars or interested in buying a saab or interested in knowing more about saabs for any reason to justify such a new newsgroup the recent growth of the net could improve the turnaround time between posing a question and receiving answers from the community discussion comments on this proposed new newsgroup should be posted to the usenet newsgroup news groups if the reader is not able to do so comments may be e mailed to the proposer at the address below voting if no problems arise voting will start 1 month from the posting date of this rfd proposer tommy reingold tommy boole att com tommy reingold at t bell labs holmdel nj tommy boole att com or att boole tommy religion re whos next mormons and jews in article 1993apr21 211312 7767 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote in article 9601 blue cis pitt edu rjl pitt edu richard j loether writes yes of course as in matthew 10 34 35 do not suppose that i have come to bring peace to the earth it is not peace i have come to bring but a sword remember the armor of god the sword that christians wield is the word of god the bible sorry malcolm but i rather believe jesus than you cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net medicine cytoskeleton dynamics im looking for good background and review paper references that can help me understand the dynamics of cytoskeleton in normal and transformed cells in particular im not interested in translational behavior and cell motility but rather in the internal motions of the cytoskeleton and its components under normal and transformed circumstances also id appreciate any data on force constants mechanical and elastic properties of microtubules and viscous properties of cytoplasm any other info relevant to the vibrational or acoustical properties of these would be useful to me thanks bill christens barry cerulean access digex com religion re is it good that jesus died sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes ive done all those things and ive regretted it and i learned a lesson or two so far an aspirin a good talk with your wife or a one week vacation has cured me no need for group therapy or strange religions um kent just what have you been doing with his wife d brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau medicine re homeopathy a respectable medical tradition in article c5y5zr b11 toads pgh pa us geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article c5qmjj yb ampex com jag ampex com rayaz jagani writes from miranda castro the complete homeopathy handbook isbn 0 312 06320 2 oringinally published in britain in 1990 from page 10 and in 1946 when the national health service was established homeopathy was included as an officially approved method of treatment i was there in 1976 i suppose it must have died out since 1946 then certainly i never heard of any homeopaths or herbalists in the employ of the nhs perhaps the law codified it but the authorities refused to hire any homeopaths a similar law in the us allows chiropractors to practice in va hospitals but ive never seen one there and i dont know of a single va that has hired a chiropractor there are a lot of britons on the net so someone should be able to tell us if the nhs provides homeopaths for you i dont think they provide homeopaths heck the heir apparent was trying to promote osteopaths to the ranks of eligibility a couple of years back it pleased my family no end since im at an osteopathic school sort of validated it for them then i told them that the name was the same but the practice was different oh if youre seeking validation for your philosophy on the strength of the national health service adopting it i suggest that you are not very sure of the validity of your philosophy i believe in 1946 the nhs was still having its nurses taught the fine art of cupping which is the vacuum extraction of intradermal fluids by means of heating a cup placing it on the afflicted site and allowing it to cool i wouldnt take my sick daughter to a homeopath david n chorley yikes im agreeing with gordon banks windows re ndw norton desktop for windows ndw i would like to know how to stop or uninstall this program if an uninstall icon doesnt exist in the norton desktop apps group run ndws install program with u cars re auto air conditioning without freon in article 1993apr21 034751 23512 ntuix ntu ac sg mgqlu ntuix ntu ac sg max lu writes we are working on gas solid adsorption air con system for auto applications in this kind of system the energy for regenerating the adsorbent is from the exhaust gas anyone interested in this mail email me or follow up this thread we may have a discussion on prospects of this technology ok ill bite how is this supposed to work tim guns re the pill for deer no hunting in article 1993apr14 182610 2330 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes in article 1993apr14 120958 11363 synapse bms com hambidge bms com writes the second amendment is about sovereignty not sporting goods perfectly correct but it wont make any difference hmm i beg to differ it will probably make a big difference at some point self defense is a valid reason for rkba the vast majority get through life without ever having to own use or display a firearm besides there are other means of self protection which can be just as effective as firearms thankfully it is true that the majority go through life without having to use a firearm howver there are situations where firearms are the most effective means of self protection what other means do you propose as equally effective freedoms and rights are not dependent on public opinion necessity or scientific scrutiny new to this planet everything is dependent on either public or political opinion usually political to imagine that inalienable rights are somehow wired into the vast cold cosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion new to this country new to political theory alas i was speaking of principle without principle all attempts at republican forms of govt are futile there are times when public and political opinion are contrary to principle which is why we have a constitution which enumerates govt powers and presumes certain rights a major reason for this was to prevent a tyranny of the majority no arguments against rkba can withstand scientific scrutiny they dont have to like so many other things the issue is one of perception rather than boring statistics every time some young innocent is gunned down in a drive by every time some kid is murdered for a jacket every time a store clerk is executed for three dollars in change every time some moron kills his wife because she took the last beer from the fridge every time someone hears a bang in the night the rkba dies the stats are not all that clearly behind firearms the protection factor does not strongly outweigh the mindless mayhem factor given society as we now experience it it seems safer to get rid of as many guns as possible that may be an error but enough active voters believe in that course this is exactly why law should be based on reasoned thought not immediate perception of course it doesnt always work that way fortunately while there are no guarantees logic sometimes does prevail and if not there are still means for correction as far as enough active voters are concerned that is still an open question until the vote is made how do you intend to silence rkba supporters talk all you want talk about the good old days when you used to own firearms after a while such talk will take on the character of war stories and no one will be very interested anymore you portray a possible scenario for the future but how will you silence rkba supporters right now as long as public debate is allowed such debate will continue if we allow public debate to be restricted or denied then we will get a govt we deserve al standard disclaimer religion re freemasonry and the southern baptist convention in article 1qv82l oj2 usenet ins cwru edu ch981 cleveland freenet edu tony alicea writes with the southern baptist convention convening this june to consider the charges that freemasonry is incompatible with christianity i thought the following quotes by mr james holly the anti masonic flag carrier would amuse you all the following passages are exact quotes from the southern baptist convention and freemasonry by james l holly m d president of mission and ministry to men inc 550 n 10th st beaumont tx 77706 the inside cover of the book states mission ministry to men inc hereby grants permission for the reproduction of part or all of this booklet with two provisions one the material is not changed and two the source is identified i have followed these provisions freemasonry is one of the allies of the devil page iv the issue here is not moderate or conservative the issue is god and the devil page vi it is worthwhile to remember that the formulators of public school education in america were freemasons page 29 jesus christ never commanded toleration as a motive for his disciples and toleration is the antithesis of the christian message page 30 the central dynamic of the freemason drive for world unity through fraternity liberty and equality is toleration this is seen in the writings of the great writers of freemasonry page 31 he jesus christ established the most sectarian of all possible faiths page 37 for narrowness and sectarianism there is no equal to the lord jesus christ page 40 what seems so right in the interest of toleration and its cousins liberty equality and fraternity is actually one of the subtlest lies of the father of lies page 40 the southern baptist convention has many churches which were founded in the lodge and which have corner stones dedicated by the lodge each of these churches should hold public ceremonies of repentance and of praying the blood and the name of the lord jesus christ over the church and renouncing the oaths taken at the dedication of the church and or building page 53 54 i hope you all had a good laugh i know i did g tony i appreciate the narrow mindedness of the view expressed in the text you quoted i also appreciate your being amused by such determined ignorance without taking anything away from your mirth i want to say that these views sadden me i can only hope that that sort of narrow mindedness will die with the generations that have promoted it teach your children well wet blanket mode off pax john john w luther anybody who mistakes my jluther cs umr edu best for email opinions for umrs just 71140 313 compuserve com doesnt know umr windows re borlands paradox offer i am considering buying borlands paradox for windows since i would like to use a database with windows i dont have use one yet for both work home use i would like to advantage of borlands 129 95 until april 30 offer if this package is everything that borland claims it to be so i was wondering has anybody used this and or have any opinions tom belmonte if you are interested in a program which is very easy to use i strongly suggest approach 2 0 it is extremely easy to use make reports etc i own both it and paradox and i almost never use paradox if you need to build up a complicated application then paradox is the way to go i have heard horror stories about the access programming being extremely cryptic since you seem like you will probably be doing fairly small stuff work home use and you have not used a database before i recommend approach i have found only one small thing which i would like it to do more easily i have one database where the order in which the records are entered must be different than what is the logical ordering to permanently reorder to use the old dbase iii command the records requires sorting the records appropriately no problem since i almost always use them in this order exporting the database to another database which can still be an approach database and then copying the exported files back to the original filename this is a small weakness considering the other items i really like about approach it is also a little slower than paradox other than the loading paradox takes forever and a minute to load paradox also takes a lot of memory both hard disk around 12mb and ram greg bishop bishop baeyer chem fsu edu windows drivers for stealth 24 i recently purchased a diamond stealth 24 video card and received the wrong drivers does anyone know where i can ftp the proper drivers the dstlth file at cica does not work with this video card please respond to doug sun sws uiuc edu thank you doug ward medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition i have heard that epileptic patients go into seizures if they eat anything with msg added this may have something to do with the excitotoxicity of neurons fm cars re too fast dcd se houston geoquest slb com dan day writes in article 1qh61m b6l armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes if the mustang and or sho platform were designed for 130mph it would come with better seatbelts more supportive seats a stronger passenger compartment cage better brakes a stiffer suspension different tires and a body design that takes advantage of aero effects to keep the car on the ground in other words itd be a 1993 rx7 yeah and then wed pay 30 000 go with a 5 0 lx mustang most bang for your buck windows re please help an amiga user find comfort in windows in article 1t9ada og0 fitz tc cornell edu stlombo eos acm rpi edu steve j lombardi writes by night im an amiga user by day i work with windows id be much more comfortable in windows if i had two things 1 a good personal information manager you know a calendar address book reminder list etc rolled into one clean interface i prefer infoselect myself but it is a strange kind of pim 2 a good file manager microsofts is very poor by my standards how about one that has a left and right window and allows file operations between them being able to launch programs from the same interface would be nice as well as text reading and graphics viewing those who are familiar with directory opus on the amiga know what im looking for well a few things might help you like the 3 1 file manager better 1 to get more than one window simply double click on a drive icon that it only gives you one window to work with is a fallacy you can drag files between windows to any icon on the tree on the left side of the window and to any drive icon this beats your left and right window as you can have as many open as you wish instead of just two 2 you can launch any app from within file manager by double clicking on the executables icon 3 you can launch any application and open a document file by double clicking on the document files icon provided you have associations set correctly this is easily done with the menus the browse capability adds a lot of functionality to 3 1 so if you name all your text files with txt and point all gif tiff etc files towards paintshop or wingif this takes care of your requirement for text reading and graphics viewing i know someone who prefers using file manager as his shell setting up all the associations you need is the way to do it if directory opus is half as good as file manager then it must be pretty good indeed file manager just needs you to understand how some things are done iskandar taib the only thing worse than peach ala internet ntaib silver ucs indiana edu frog is frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubacs cars re auto air conditioning without freon markm bigfoot sps mot com mark monninger writes in article 1993apr15 222600 11690 research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com chris behanna writes several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for r12 you dont hear about them because the mobile air conditioning society macs that is the people who stand to rake in that 300 to 1000 per retrofit per automobile have mounted an organized campaign to squash those r12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether on very shaky technical grounds at best on outright lies at worst now im not saying youre wrong because i know that the r 12 substitutes exist but this sounds a lot like the 200mpg carbs that the oil companies keep us all from getting these substitutes exist and at this time are available its the future availability that is in doubt 1 ghg 12 get it from peoples welding supply 800 382 9006 2 butane propane you can mix this yourself so no one can ever regulate it away just make sure you use good quality dry gases i dont know of any 200mpg carb distributors jon hacker get the os 2 2 1 march beta cd rom caltech pasadena ca for 20 call 1 800 3 ibm os2 hacker tumbler ridge caltech edu read about it in comp os os2 beta medicine re how often do kids fall sick etc in article ashwin 93may2131021 leo gatech edu ashwin agatech edu ashwin ram writes our 20 month son has started falling sick quite often every since he started going to day care he was at home for the first year and he did not fall sick even once now it seems like he has some sort of cold or flu pretty much once a month most of the time the cold leads to an ear infection as well with the result that he ends up being on antibiotics 3 weeks out of 4 i know kids in day care fall sick more often but we are beginning to wonder how often more often really is whether our son is more susceptible or has lower immunity than average are there any studies that can help answer some of these questions when kids stayed in the home until kindergarden or 1st grade infection incidence was much lower because exposure was lower some studies suggest that early exposure to various infectious diseases is probably beneficial because exposure as an adult carries much more risk of morbitity and mortality mumps measles etc how often do kids in their first second and third years fall sick how often do they get colds flus ear infections is there any data on home care vs day care daycare will always carry a higher exposure risk than home care does being sick build immunity leading to less illness later does it make kids weaker leading to more illness later or does it not have any long term effect exposure to infectious organisms does build immunity but many viruses mutate and reexposure to the new strain requires another immune response new antibody production in addition antibody levels tend to decline with time and re innoculation is needed to keep the antibody levels high chronic overstimulation of the immune response can lead to immunosupression but this is rare and very unlikely to occur in children does taking antibiotics on a regular basis have any negative long term effects yes chronic use of antibiotics can have an adverse effect on the good bacteria that are supposed to be present in and on the body health effects of this depletion of the good bacteria is a very hotly debated topic in the medical community with most physicians seeming to discount any health effects of chronic antibiotic use a view that i do not support how does one tell if a child is more susceptible to illness than normal and what does one do about it chronic infection in an adult or a child needs to be worked up in my opinion but most physicians feel that chronic infection in a child is normal because of both exposure and lack of prior immunity to many infectious diseases i do not share this view and there are some physicians who also suspect that diet plays a big role in infection frequency and severity exposure to an infectious agent does not have to result in a severe infection a strong immune response can minimize the length of time needed to deal with the infection as well as the symptoms associated with the infection is there any way to build immunity and resistance there are five major nutrients that are responsible for a good strong immune response to infectious agents they are protein vitamin c vitamin a iron and zinc the american diet is not low in protein so this is rarely a problem but vitamin a vitamin c iron and zinc are often low and this lack of an adequate pool nutrient reserve can impair the immune response iron is know to be low in most kids as is vitamin a there are distinct biochemical tests that can be run to check the status of each of these nutrients in a patient who is having a problem with chronic severe infection serum ferritin for iron status dark adaptation for vitamin a status red blood cell zinc for zinc status and leckocyte ascorbate for vitamin c status i have attempted to work up posts on these five nutrients and their role in infection for this news group as well as the others that i participate in i can e mail you what ive worked up so far but my best advice to you is to try to find a physician who recognizes the critical role that diet plays in the human immune response you may also be able to get help from a nutritionist anyone can call themselves a nutritionist so you have to be very carefull you want to find someone like myself who has had some formal training and education in nutrition many ph d programs in the u s now offer degrees in nutrition and thats what you need to look for some dieticians will also call themselves nutritionists but most dieticians have not had the biochemical training needed to run specialized nutritional assessment tests they are very good for getting general dietary advice from however any data information or advice relating to this would be much appreciated thanks a lot ashwin martin banschbach ph d graduate degree in biochemistry and nutrition from vpi and developer of a course on human nutrition for medical students cars re warped brake discs on 91 taurus l from bsw utrc utc com bruce s winters subject re warped brake discs on 91 taurus l in the past few years i have owned 3 mustang gts and now own a 91 t bird sc they all have had this problem there was a recall on the t bird for the brake problem the ford dealer replaced the rotors and pads but the rotors warp after about 10k miles between this problem and the fit and finish problems on the t bird ill never buy a ford again i just had my rotors on my 92 taurus gl changed less than 500 miles ago and you guessed it im noticing slight warpage in the left rotor i had a mechanic friend of mine look at it and he said that there is a high spot on the rotor that is causing the problem this is a brand new rotor bought from a ford dealership cant they even produce a brand new rotor that is not warped im currently negotiating with them to swap it out for a new rotor this is my first american build car and im not overly impressed tony name antonio l balsamo company digital equipment corp shrewsbury mass work 508 841 2039 e mail balsamo stargl enet dec com baseball re why is barry bonds not batting 4th in article 1r2mek hlq menudo uh edu st1ge elroy uh edu writes in article 1993apr21 032427 22464 leland stanford edu punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi writes as the heading indicates it is impossible for me to fathom why barry is not batting 4th for the giants behind will clark barry is such an awesome and consistent hitter definitely the best in the national league imho to have williams a streaky hitter and not really a clutch hitter batting 4th ahead of bonds is simply an injustice to the giants and fans of the giants 2 simple reasons 1 batting williams ahead of bonds will create a left clark right williams left bonds situation in the middle of the batting order this makes it tougher for opposing manager to change pitchers 2 having bonds batting behind williams means that matt will get more good pitches to hit this is important since he struggles so much with breaking balls opposing pitchers dont want to walk williams to get to bonds both your reasons are not good ones joe morgan thinks that bonds clark williams should be the 3 4 5 hitters while he believes that clark bonds williams is fine he definitely is of the opinion that bonds should hit ahead of williams i am inclined to agree with him your first reason is not valid because bonds can hit both lefties and righties very well he hits lefties or righties better than any other giant williams is still getting breaking balls although not as much as last season but the bottom line is bonds is a far more disciplined and more productive hitter than williams and i prefer to take my chances with bonds driving in the 1 2 or 3 hitters who are expected to have high obps than with williams williams would get more fastballs with bonds on first and second base open because of the threat of bonds stealing religion 15 apr 93 gods promise in john 1 12 but as many as received him to them gave he power to become the sons of god even to them that believe on his name john 1 12 windows re leaking memory resources in 3 1 in article 1993apr30 180317 5618 seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes in article c6aw83 h7v csn org richardf teal csn org iriemon writes dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu daniel mittleman writes i am running win 3 1 with ndw 2 2 on a 486sx with 8 meg of memory and a 6 meg perm swap file and am getting exceedingly frustrated that my applications are not giving back system resources when i close them ive noticed this also the way it was explained to me is that windows does not clear the upper memory blocks after a program is done anyone out there know if this is why there was a post about something similar a while back it seems windows does not take it upon itself to free up any sys resources an applllication is using when that application is done that job is left entirely to the application that is the application has to clean up after itself when it quits anyone out there know if there is a utility for windows which will clean up sys resources when an application quits mother zip peace mickey it could also be that your shell is hogging the resources for example open the apps with data files that cause resulting low system resources with ndw 2 x as shell then do the same with program manager and see if its the shell or the apps ted windows re wp pcf linux risc in article c5o1yq m34 csie nctu edu tw ghhwang csie nctu edu tw ghhwang writes dear friend the risc means reduced instruction set computer the risc usually has small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase the clock rate to have a high performance you can read some books about computer architecture for more information about risc hmm not that i am an authority on risc but i clearly remember reading that the instruction set on risc cpus is rather large the difference is in addressing modes risc instruction sets are not as orthogonal is cisc some people say its fun but i think its very serious eugene macadam mpce mq edu au religion re religion and homosexuality in article c4uzus fkp mailer cc fsu edu dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu darius lecointe writes lfoard hopper virginia edu lawrence c foard writes unlike kleptomaniacs and adulterers homosexuals hurt no one by having sex with the same sex what about the homosexual whose family does not accept that decision and is hurt emotionally by it good question i dont have a nice concise answer though what about the child whose parents are crushed emotionally because he she starts a carerr doing something they greatly dislike it is the same kind of harm and is probably caused by the same thing the desire of the child to be true to his or her self what is more important being true to yourself or burying that truth within you in order to maintain peace in the family hard question no good answer lance religion re a kind and loving god in article 1993apr19 165717 25790 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote it is true what you stated above jesus saving grace is available to everyone not just jews in other words everyone can have salvation but not everyone will this option is now open to people other than just jews of course if the jews dont accept the deity of christ i would hardly expect them to accept anything that christ said but i dont feel any animosity towards them even though they persecuted jesus and his disciples and eventually crucified him i bear them no ill will if anything i feel pity for them jesus had to die to pay the price for our sins and so the jews were merely fulfilling prophesy jesus knew he had to die even before he began his ministry that demonstrates the great depth of his love for us jesus certainly demonstrated the great depth of his love for the children who died today at the davidian complex sorry but the events today made me even more negative concering organized religion cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net medicine re help for kidney stones in a previous article jeffs sr hp com jeff silva says i was told by my doctor at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth yes by a male doctor so im sure some of you women will disagree id really like to know the truth in this so maybe some of you women who have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in ive had three children and the pain was different in degree for each i think it just depends i was impressed by how awful a kidney stone seemed to be when i saw a relative with one i bet they depend too some are probably worse than others pain yucch bonita kale windows re workaround for citizen drivers in article 1993apr26 185033 12279 drd com mike drd com mike rovak writes i have been experiencing several end user problems with various commercial software packages wordperfect 5 2 win publish it win 3 1 and printing landscape mode on a citizen pn48 the little guy or the citizen gsx 140 in a nutshell the problem is that i lose the first 0 625 inches of information from my left margin be it white space or truetype font output and margins are not preserved on subsequent pages past the first wordperfect had a workaround consisting of using the default location for the printers instead of tractor or manual they have also filed this as a bug and are continuing to investigate it ms write of course has no problem with these printer drivers proving that microsoft knows something the rest of us dont are you surprised im not publish it win is still investigating this problem and while i was consider my options rejecting the one about buying an 800 dtp package for surely they wouldnt have this problem right i stumbled onto a global workaround workaround go into the windows 3 1 control panel select printers select your citizen printer driver select setup and select a custom size of 850 x 1132 like magic all of your problems will go away ask me no questions and ill tell you no lies mike excuse me thats 850 x 1163 mike disclaimer my opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer mike rovak drd com baseball re best first basemen in article 1993apr20 102857 1 tesla njit edu drm6640 tesla njit edu writes don mattingly is the best first baseman in the history of baseball always has been always will be not what kind of happy grass you are smoking maybe you should share some with me first of all lou gehrig is the greatest first baseman ever jimmie foxx is clearly the next best first baseman ever he could be the greatest first baseman of the yankees in the modern era to put him in this best in the history of baseball is quite humorous very silly and totally off the line tony guns re nra fucks up bigtime in article 1993apr5 042450 2071 cbnewse cb att com doctor1 cbnewse cb att com patrick b hailey writes in article slagle 93mar29232337 sgi417 msd lmsc lockheed com slagle lmsc lockheed com writes in article xw1twyl dixie com jgd dixie com john de armond writes no actually im a lot more familiar with the libbers than i care to be im a bit hesitant to continue this thread because it brings back horrible memories of my first encounter with the libbers in the larouche branch i made the mistake of buying a any connection between lyndon larouche and the libertarian party is a pure product of your own fertile imagination naw perhaps he reads time magazine its a fair stretch of anyones imagination to expect them to attach any credibility to anything written in time magazine in the past twenty years id imagine the enquirer at least gets the names attached to the right body parts mark mark e slagle po box 61059 slagle lmsc lockheed com sunnyvale ca 94088 408 756 0895 usa religion re lds ricks reply robert weiss psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu writes rick anderson replied to my letter with ra in article c5elp2 l0c acsu buffalo edu ra psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu robert weiss says ra just briefly on something that you mentioned in passing you refer to differing interpretations of create and say that many christians may not agree so what that is really irrelevant we do not base our faith on how many people think one way or another do we the bottom line is truth regardless of popularity of opinions it may be irrelevant to you and your personal beliefs or should i say bias but it is relevant to me and many others youre right the bottom line is truth independant from you or anyone else since you proclaim truths as a self proclaimed appointee may i ask you by what authority you do this because it says so in the bible does the bible say so or is it you or someone else who interprets whether a scripture or doctrine conforms to your particular liking or disapproval excuse moi but your line of truths havent moved me one bit to persuade me that my beliefs are erroneous of all the preachers of truth on this net you have struck me as a self righteous member of the wrecking crew with no positive message to me or other latter day saints whatsoever btw this entire discussion reminds me a lot of the things said by jesus to the pharisees ye hypocrite s ye preach about me with your lips but your hearts are far removed from me also i find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created and eternally existent are equivalent you say granted the mormon belief you cant grant your conclusion and then expect the point to have been addressed in order to reply to the issue you have to address and answer the point that was raised and not just jump to the conclusion that you grant sophistry look whos talking jumping to conclusions you wouldnt do that yourself right all you address is your own convictions regardless whether we come up with any biblical scriptures which supports our points of view because you reject such interpretations without any consideration whatsoever the bible states that lucifer was created the bible states that jesus is the creator of all the contradiction that we have is that the lds belief is that jesus and lucifer were the same a beautiful example of disinformation and a deliberate misrepresentation of lds doctrine the former kgb would have loved to employ you jesus and lucifer are not the same silly and you know it the mormon belief is that all are children of god literally there is nothing symbolic about it this however contradicts what the bible says the bible teaches that not everyone is a child of god correction it may contradict would you think the bible says the bible indeed does teach that not all are children of god in the sense that they belong to or follow god in his footsteps satan and his followers have rebelled against god and are not children followers redeemed of god but it doesnt mean that they were not once created by god but chose to separate themselves from those who chose to follow god and his plan of salvation the field is the world the good seed are the children of the kingdom but the tares are the children of the wicked one matthew 13 38 so this illustrates nicely what i just said the children of the kingdom are those who have remained valiant in their testimony of jesus and have shown works of repentance etc and the children of the wicked one are those who rebelled against god and the lamb the issue of satans spirit offspring and those who followed him has not been addressed in this and other verses you copied from your bible you purposefully obscured the subject by swamping your right with non related scriptures lots of nice scriptures deleted not robert w copyrighted though ra we are told that and this is life eternal that they might know ra thee the only true god and jesus christ whom thou hast sent ra john 17 3 life eternal is to know the only true god yet the ra doctrines of the lds that i have mentioned portray a vastly ra different jesus a jesus that cannot be reconciled with the jesus of ra the bible they are so far removed from each other that to proclaim correction my jesus is indeed different than your jesus and can be reconciled with the jesus in the bible not your interpretation of him i concur but i honestly couldnt care less ra one as being true denies the other from being true according to the ra bible eternal life is dependent on knowing the only true god and ra not the construct of imagination in this single posting of yours ive seen more constructs of imagination than in all of the pro lds mails combined i have read so far in this news group first get your lds facts straight before you dare preaching to us about the only true god whom you interpret according to your own likes and dislikes but whose image i cannot reconcile with what i know about him myself i guess your grandiose self image does not allow for other faiths believing in the divinity of jesus christ but in a different way or fashion than your own not that it really matters the mission and progress of the lds church will go on boldly and nobly and no mob or opponent can stop the work from progressing until it has visited every continent swept every clime and sounded in every ear this is really a red herring it doesnt address any issue raised but rather it seeks to obfuscate the fact that some groups try to read something into the bible doesnt change what the bible teaches sigh what the bible teaches or what the bible teaches according to robert weiss and co i respect the former i reject the latter without the remotest feeling that i have rejected jesus on the contrary and by the way i do respect your interpretations of the bible i even grant you being a christian following your own image of him as much as i am a christian following my own image of him in my heart most of the other replies have instead hop scotched to the issue of bruce mcconkie and whether his views were official doctrine i dont think that it matters if mcconkies views were canon that is not the issue were mcconkies writings indicative of mormon belief on this subject is the real issue the indication from rick is that they may certainly be the issue is of course that you love to use anything to either mis represent or ridicule the lds church the issue of official doctrine is obviously very important mcconkies views have been controversial e g the seven deadly heresies has made me a heretic at best or erroneous at worst blacks not to receive the priesthood in this dispensation i respect him as someone who has made his valuable contribution to the church but i personally do not rely on his personal interpretations his book mormon doctrine is oftentimes referred to as mcconkies bible in mormon circles on mormon doctrine i rather look to official doctrinal sources and to hugh nibleys books the last comment is an lds insider reference summarizing mcconkie was a wise man who contributed undoubtedly far more to the kingdom of god than i have but whose views are by no means dogma or accepted doctrine some of it clearly belongs to personal interpretation and speculation but having said this i find mcconkie even in his most biased and speculative moments far more thought provoking than the trash coming from your proverbial pen im somewhat appalled that i have allowed myself to sink as low as you in this posting robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu casper c knies isscck byuvm bitnet brigham young university isscck vm byu edu ucs computer facilities guns re jffo has gone a bit too far rats cbnewsc cb att com morris the cat writes would somebody please post evidence that the gun control act of 1968 is a verbatim transcription of a nazi law the evidence is that the two laws are basically identical however thats not evidence that one is a copy of the other theres no evidence that the 68 gcas authors used the nazi law as a guide yes they ended up with roughly the same thing but that comes from their shared goal disarming those menacing minorities i thought the same thing too until jpfos rkba article in the latest guns ammo at the newstands this article makes it certain that sen thomas dodd d md back before 1968 definitely asked for a translation of the german weapons laws back then read the article and see what you think of jpfos argument they note that ted kennedy and john dingell are among the three of the originals left from the 1968 stuff and they are asking that folks request of john dingell that he introduce legislation to lift gca 68 something which i would support whole heartedly andy can someone post a general idea of what gca 68 does thanks cars buy back we were at a dealership today looking at buying a car and the salesman was showing us something he was calling a buy back is that a car that was fleeted and then given back for the new model the next year if that is so how many miles is a good number to have on it and are these types of cars generally a good buy thanks ellen guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article c5tlxr 1xq news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article 1r21g2inneah clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes in article c5sou8 lnb news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article 1993apr20 163730 16128 guinness idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu andrew betz writes in article c5rynw iz8 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes and i suppose the fbi also prevented them from coming out with their hands up while national tv cameras watch watch from where two miles away far enough away that whatever really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of a humiliated agency that said quote enough is enough please tell me what you think would have happened had the people come out with their hands up several weeks ago it didnt happen and who is responsible for it not happening certainly not the children koresh was calling the shots he was talking with his lawyer and the fbi since others were released safely there is no sane reason for keeping the children inside the compound the fbi and koresh were calling the shots and there were very sane reasons for keeping the children if they let them go the parents would never see them again that is not an easy choice in spite of you cold attitude about it scenario that is simplest and most plausible i do not generally believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely scenarios the fbi sent letters to martin luther kings wife insinuating that mlk was having an affair again please tell us exactly how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government more than someone who would not release children from the compound obviously you are an authority worshiper not at all are you a koresh worshiper i am a constitution worshiper you quite obviously eat anything the authorities feed you without doubt which makes you no different that a koresh worshiper i e more than david koresh vernon howell jesus christ i saw lengthy excerpts from an australian documentary made in 1992 that clearly showed that this was a cult give me a camera and time with you and i can present excerpts that show you to be a cult leader guarenteed thanks for my laugh of the day definitely a very silly supposition if you do not believe this you are truly naive it is not only possible it is easy i worked in the broadcast profession at a network station in the late 70s i know what im saying here embarrasing footage is easy to get add a little sinister music and the right voice over and ill have you mother agreeing to commit you you should at least view the whole documentary before you claim it as a source i would if i could the news show that showed the lengthy excerpts also had interviews with the filmmaker who made the documentary who basically confirmed what was shown in the excerpts from the time he spent at the compound in 1992 the news shows were looking for excerpts which backed their position do you think they would show excerpts which disproved their points i am not pleased with the batf handling of the affair i think they bungled it badly from the start but i dont think they are responsible for the fire which started in two different places two places eh you saw this or did the wonderful fbi tell you this i saw one place i believe that this was reported by local radio reporters on site a fire started in a three story tower at the same time as the two story window shown on the tv coverage the reports of multi starts came solely from the fbi anyone observing the fire from the available video would be hard pressed to see more than one point of fire which spread across the compound as a uniform rate the batf is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair but to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is ludicrous i suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to risk small arms fire to get some good footage these people were told to get the hell out of camera range why couldnt answer this one eh this is the most important question of all it is the root cause of all the other suspicion i thought about mentioning how reagan and the military treated the press in grenada and how that set the precedent but decided it wasnt worthy of discussion if the news reporter got shot you can bet his family would sue the government for letting him into the danger area no reported has ever sued the government for such a situation they know the dangers remember the batf invited the initial coverage and how about a simple remote controlled camera or two there were ways to provide media access the fbi obviously just didnt want any the root cause of suspicion in my mind is why 100 people wouldnt flee a building that had numerous exits during the 30 minutes time it took to burn down or why didnt they flee hours earlier when the tear gas was first introduced i can find no rational explanation for their behavior i can find several tear gas and smoke making it impossible to remove the barricades flames blocking exits to the saferooms perhaps the gun shots were from the fbi keeping them pinned in who knows jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 medicine re krillean photography in article 1rgrsvinnmpr gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu writes greg flame definitely intended here bill was making fun of the misspelling go look up the word krill also the correct spelling is kirlian it involves taking photographs of corona discharges created by attaching the subject to a high voltage source not of some aura it works equally well with inanimate objects true but what about showing the missing part of a leaf is this corona discharge that is a dry turtle that turtle is not moist ezra story a student at rit and eas3714 ultb isc rit edu his trusty mailing address religion re lds kermits reply was re tony rose was free book of mormon robert weiss psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu wrote lots of stuff about the nicene creed deleted which can be read in the original basenote i will also leave it up to other lds netters to take mr weiss to task on using mormon doctrine to declare the difinitive word on what the lds church teaches as doctrine hopefully the lds netters will be amiable in their explanation since it would do no good to rebut what mr weiss has stated on the origin of the nicene creed and its status as devine and inspired i say no good because it cannot be proved through discussion or debate as to whether or not the authors of the creed were inspired i leave you it will be some time before i post again with the following thought authored by eugene england professor of english at brigham young university mr england wrote the following as part of a book review section in this peoples magazine spring 1993 edition i conclude with a little sermon because i believe we will not be a mormon or human family until we can get over labeling and rejecting each other with terms like feminist or patriarchal liberal or conservative christian or non christian hal 8 when we are tempted to draw a circle around a set of beliefs and traditions and styles and call it american then exclude those who dont fit it may be well to consider that perhaps the most central defining characteristic of a good american might be one who doesnt draw exclusive circles that the surest way of excluding ourselves from the central american ideal is by excluding others and when we are tempted to draw a circle around mormon or christian to decide who is orthodox and who isnt by how much they agree with us it might be well to consider that the central pillar of christs orthodoxy is our ability to love unconditionally those who are different and include them in our family i recently spent some time in a christian bookstore in california the service was excellent the clerks and customers all smiling neat and well scrubbed and there were the expected wholesome offerings of scriptural commentaries sentimental fiction and collections of evangelistic sermons but i was dismayed to find how much shelf space was given to attacking others often viciously whether the political left our modern american culture or other religions a whole section was devoted to cults and the occult and as you might expect mormonism was right there under the same rubric and indictment often by the same authors as satanism and i found i could either rent or buy in english or spanish copies of the god makers that absurdly inaccurate even libelous but very popular and dangerous anti mormon film that uses exaclty the same techniques and even accusations of the nazi films that scapegoated jews in the 1930s it seems to me one major indication that a person is a genuine convert to christ and his redemptive love is his lack of paranoia and anxiety perfect love casteth out fear i john 4 18 i have always been pleased that the lds church has not engaged in attacks on other faiths though i find a disheartening increase in willingness of individual mormons to engage in the same kinds of stereotyping and scapegoating and even threats of coercive action as the religious right wing has launched this year against the political left and american cultural and religious styles they dont like it is a fearful irony that in so doing mormons take common cause with the very people who have most slanderously attacked mormons people who would if they had power forcefully restrict mormons rights along with those of others they believe to be evil the above sermon was addressed to the lds audience who usually subscribe to this peoples magazine but would certainly apply to all of us who rely on the mercies and grace of jesus christ to bring us back into his arms even though the lds church claims devine authority to exercise the principles of the restored gospel as in the days of christ the church does not claim perfection and infallibility in how those with authoritative status have or do now lead the church i for one do not wish to be labelled christian if those who profess themselves as christians attack my beliefs because they are intollerent for example of the way my religion may interpret biblical scriptures of the same source to have a different meaning and implication than mainstream christianity would give it once again being in the majority does not in and of itself prove anything except that your collective voice is louder thats really all the critics of the lds church have to stand on in terms of the kind of biblical interpretation used as proof to counter the lds church interpretation using someone elses biased research of truths and non truths whose to say what the mixture is as an authoritative tool to disprove or discredit is not being fair to anyone least of all themselves let us simply agree to disagree and share beliefs through adult discussion and conversation thereby uplifting everyone hal leifson signing off baseball re i hate to mention acker but in article 14apr199316550695 jhuvms hcf jhu edu hasch jhuvms hcf jhu edu bruce m hasch writes in article 1993apr14 193114 2328 hpcvaac cv hp com paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen writes i feel as if i might be causing some bad karma by doing this but i just have to know is the ack man still in organized baseball glad you asked the ack man and nine of his relatives are currently impersonating the baltimore orioles pitching staff personally i believe that the evil ackers kidnapped the real os staff and are currently in the process of impersonating mussina sutcliffe mcdonald olson no no no the ack man is apparently an alien life form much like the pod people from planet mars who can take on any form the ability remains the same however the ack people have been spotted on many teams to date but it appears that the orioles staff mentioned above and the expos bullpen barnes walton fassero gardiner and rojas have been the prime target apparently john wetteland was roughed up by the ack people during spring training due to the fact that his system rejected the takeover and has been on the dl ever since contact the authorities this evil plot must be stopped the ack people can keep jack morris and juan guzman though i enjoy watching toronto fans suffer too much to want these guys returned to normal scot scot hughes department of chemical engineering expos in 93 falcon cs mcgill ca mcgill university montreal quebec witty saying here windows re atm now hplj 4 pricing while there are too many ps clones to count some of which are quite poor trying to clone something that goes through regular modifications does require some patience three questions come to mid real quick for something like this q which version of adobe ps will we clone aside from the level 1 and level 2 issues adobe has in the past released new code that incorporates modifications upgrades fixes just as all other software vendors do the level 2 stuff may seem sound now but i assure you changes will become more frequent as their customer list begins to dwindle in the face of competition this allows them to shift people to maintenance as well as design efforts for level 3 q do we duplicate the bugs or do we make it work correctly from the laserwriter to the laserjet 4 there have been bugs if i had a number to call at hp or adobe theyld have heard from me deciding which approach to take depends on which printer you want to emulate q do we follow the red book or do we follow someones implementation without a doubt there are differences between the red book and adobes ps with level 2 many issues have been refined but the red book does leave big big holes in the implementation specific stuff it would be nice it the red bood at least pined things down enough so that two different implementations of adobes ps dont do the exact opposite given an identical set of conditions q pscript drv having done a lot of ps clone testing myself the unfortunate side of testing is the limited number of sources for test files the primary source we use is genoa and having characterizes their 1992 ps ats files 1300 of them over half are taken from pscript drv it may not ideal but the ats files are what the printer vendors use im sure that adobe uses them too but adobes output is by definition correct even if its wrong yes there are some very poor clones weve seen them here at rastek a sub of genicom which has its own clone called geniscript some are poor for lack of design some are poor because they followed the red book and some are poor because the vendors dont know what ps is don newbold don rastek com medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction rind enterprise bih harvard edu david rind writes in article 1993apr22 153000 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes poster for being treated by a liscenced physician for a disease that did not exist calling this physician a quack was reprehensible steve and i see that you and some of the others are doing it here as well do you believe that any quacks exist how about quack diagnoses is being a licensed physician enough to guarantee that someone is not a quack or is it just that even if a licensed physician is a quack other people shouldnt say so can you give an example of a commonly diagnosed ailment that you think is a quack diagnosis or have we gotten to the point in civilization where we no longer need to worry about unscrupulous healers taking advantage of people david rind sure there are quacks there are quacks who dont treat and quacks who treat ones that refuse to diagnose and ones that diagnose improperly there are lucky quacks and unlucky quacks smart quacks and dumb ones there are people ahead of their time with unprobable or unproven theories and rationals there are ill reasoned absurd theorists sometimes its hard to tell whos who reading a book of ancient jokes it seems that doctors called other doctors quacks in babylon arguments abound when there arent any firm answers plenty of illnesses arent or cant be diagnosed or treated but i think its better to argue against the theory as was originally done with postings on candida a month or so ago stating the facts usually works better than simply asserting an opinion about someones competency and you cant convince everybody sometimes a correct diagnosis takes years for people they dont run into a doctor who recognizes the disease they havent developed something recognizable yet or they have something that no one is going to recognize because it hasnt been described yet sometimes they get a cure sometimes the illness wears out sometimes they stumble on an improper diagnosis with the right treatment sometimes they find its incurable there is no profit in a patient accepting a hopeless attitude about an illness unless its a rock solid diagnosis of terminal disease its is more like ly that a person will find a cure if they keep looking jackie medicine re good grief was re candida albicans what is it in article dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes in article noring netcom com jon noring writes good grief again why the anger i must have really touched a raw nerve lets see i had symptoms that resisted all other treatments sporanox totally alleviated them within one week hmmm i must be psychotic yesss thats it my illness was all in my mind thanks steve for your correct diagnosis you must have a lot of experience being out there in trenches treating hundreds of patients a week thank you im forever in your debt jon oops gotta run the men in white coats are ready to take me away haha to the happy home where i can go twiddle my thumbs basket weave and moan about my sinuses charter member infj club if youre dying to know what infj means be brave e mail me ill send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 freds gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone 510 294 8153 chips worlds best livermore ca 94550 v mail 510 417 4101 who are you read alt psychology personality thats where the action is cars re plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences in article oprsfnx 735015349 gsusgi1 gsu edu oprsfnx gsusgi2 gsu edu stephen f nicholas writes stuff about dodge shadow deleted as an ex fleet mgr of 3000 cars they were amoung the most trouble free of all models i bought one for my wife what do you mean by all models all models of cars all chrysler models all models that the fleet manager had bought because there is no way in hell that the shadow is the most reliable car of all models sold not even chryslers dept of lies damned lies and statistics would claim that craig cars re thoughts on the vw corrado vr6 in article 1993apr22 052857 9758 galileo cc rochester edu jg003b uhura cc rochester edu outatime writes i was curious as to what people thought of the vw corrado vr6 thats about it outatime it hauls butt handles nice but is junk i drove a brand new one for a day as a loaner the key was already rusting seems they stamp their keys out of pot metal all the controls seemed really junk clutch was heavy door locks power buttons sunroof controls etc seemed really cheap no way i would pay 24k for this baby no airbag either i also drove a svx for a day stickered at 30k but going out the door for 21k a much better buy imo although it is more of a sports touring coupe roomy etc the corrado is more of a small sports car the ergonomics and leather in the svx was twice as nice as the corrados both had smooth strong engines cars re manual shift bigots in article c5o4nh 3su news cso uiuc edu mchaffee dcl nxt07 michael t chaffee writes w r t performance converter lockup is purely irrelevant the lockup only occurs at light throttle settings and serves only to improve mpg mind you a converter clutch does a lovely job of improving mpg but the additional mechanical advantage of the converter gives you more acceleration vs locked converter clutch than its inherent losses take away the transmission in my car contradicts both your assertions i get much stronger acceleration if i let the convertor lockup which i can induce by briefly lifting off then quickly but not too quickly to trigger a kickdown applying throttle above 3000 rpms the convertor will never unlock it would kickdown first who says theres no skill involved in driving an automatic i think of it as the throttle and shifter combined into a single pedal with my car i can pretty much influence its shifting patterns with my right foot while having both hands to steer eliot medicine schatzki ring pvcs can anybody out there provide me with any advice concerning the following two health problems first i was recently diagnosed using a ugi series as having a schatzki ring and small sliding hiatal hernia as i understand it the hernia is a relatively minor problem though i do occasionally have some nasty heartburn that is probably related to it the schatzki ring on the other hand is causing swallowing difficulty in particular if im not careful about eating slowly and thoroughly chewing food food occasionally gets stuck before reaching my stomach this results in a period of painful spasms as the food attempts to pass the obstruction fortunately the food has always managed to pass but this is annoying and causes frequent discomfort my doctor wants to dilate the ring using the following procedure use an endoscope to examine the esophagus and stomach for any inflammation then cut through the ring and dilate it by passing some kind of balloon or something thru the esophagous i would like to know if anyone out there has had this or a similar procedure done if so was it painful successful etc also can anyone comment on safety advisability and success rate of this procedure has it become a common procedure i am kind of leery of having such an invasive sounding procedure performed for a currently non threatening condition such as this especially considering the possible side effects bleeding perforation reaction to anesthesia the second issue for the past 3 4 years i have had a large number of extra heartbeats in particular during the past month or so there has been a dramatic increase a holter monitor recently showed 50 pvcs in 24 hrs along with a few pacs many days there are far more than this however five to ten per hour all of them were isolated and the cardiologist indicated that such a number was normal it certainly doesnt feel normal in the past there have also been a couple of episodes of extended runs of these beats one of which lasted long enough to cause severe light headedness i am relatively young 30 ish thin and in good health recent bloodtests were all normal and do not smoke use drugs or caffeine etc im willing to accept the extra beats as normal but dont want to ignore them if they might be some kind of warning symptom the number of pvcs seems to increase throughout the day and with exercise or something as simple as climbing some stairs also if i get up after sitting or lying down for a while i tend to get a couple of extra beats could they possibly be related to the esophagous problems both seemed to develop at about the same time thanks for any help advice medicine re should i be angry at this doctor brandon caldonia nlm nih gov brandon brylawski writes mryan stsci edu writes am i justified in being pissed off at this doctor last saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife i took him to a local urgent and general care clinic at 5 50 pm the clinic was open till 6 00 pm the receptionist went to the back and told the other good stuff about the drs idiocy ok much as i hate to do it here i am posting an even better dr idiot story i was in my 18th hour of labor had been pushing for 4 5 hours and was exhausted my ob and i decided to go for a csec the ob called in the anesthisiologist sp and asked him to help prep me for surgery after watching me go through a couple contractions the anes or anus as i like to refer to him said well i am off duty now still staring between my legs at that the ob asked to go call whomever it was who was on duty and ask him her how long it would take and if it was going to take more than a few minutes to please stay even though he was off duty the anes went out supposedly to call the on call anes in a couple of minutes the nurse came running in to tell the ob that the anes had left without even trying to get ahold of the on call it was the only time during my labor that i swore the on call anes took 20 minutes to get there come to find out the anes had only just gone off duty about 2 minutes before and technically was supposed to stay in the hospital until the next on call got there good thing for all of us especially him that it was not a critical emergency but boy would i love to knock that fellows ouchie places just to let him be in pain a few little minutes i have run into dr idiots mechanic idiots clerk idiots and etc idiots in my time but this fellow i would like to have words with deantha windows re word for windows problems in article 1993may16 043242 1973 lugb latrobe edu au cleeve lucifer latrobe edu au jason cleeve writes in trying to use the equation editor in word for windows 2 0 i get a couple of error messages along the lines of cant find font mt extra for default printer some characters my not be displayed or printed try installing equation editor again or reinstall a new printer similar for the font fences i know i have these fonts on my system but are unable to use them i have tried both of these solutions to no avail if anyone has had similar problems and has found a way to fix this could they let me know it is urgently required thanks its back congratulations youve just discovered a very nasty and very frequently ecountered bug in the word setup program once you know what is wrong it is quite easy to fix go into the fonts dialog under control panel and select the two fonts mt extra and fences delete them but only delete the list entries not the disk files now select add and add the fonts mt extra plain and fences plain close the font box close control panel and restart word everything should be alright now does anyone know if microsoft has fixed this thing yet they have to know about it by now its been so frequently reported daniel silevitch dmsilev athena mit edu massachusetts institute of technology windows re help importing eps files into word 2 0 jburke abacus bates edu jburke writes i was wondering if anyone knew how to view a eps in ms word 2 0a here are the first couple of lines if it helps ps adobe 3 0 creator prowrite title tcwn orientation portrait pages 12 pageorder ascend can any one help james burke by reading this you agree not to hold the writer responsible for any evil jburke abacus bates edu happening that may befall you at any time we had a similar problem in converting a eps file the solution was simple we changed the first line from ps adobe 3 0 to ps adobe 2 0 this fouled the converter the eps file only contained very simple move and draw statements mario mario veraart tno physics and electronics laboratory email rioj7 fel tno nl the hague the netherlands if all else fails show pretty pictures and animated videos and dont talk about performance david bailey baseball re dopson pitches first shutout red sox win 6 0 cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes jmann vineland pubs stratus com jim mann writes john dopson pitched his first major league shutout as the red sox beat the white sox 6 0 all 6 sox runs came in the 6th inning which featured big hits from among others vaughan and greenwell the sox are now 10 3 and the first team in the majors to win 10 games yes itll never last but god its good while its here someone told me this game started at 10 05 cdt is this true who in their right mind would go to a game on monday at 11am well theres a holiday in massachusetts called patriots day three things happen on patriots day almost all businesses are closed the sox play a morning game and they run the boston marathon mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com there is nothing so deadly as not to hold up to people the opportunity to do great and wonderful things if we wish to stimulate them in an active way dr harold urey nobel laureate in chemistry medicine miscelaneous soon to have baby questions were about to have our first baby and have a few questions that we dont seem to be able to get answered to our satisfaction reguarding having a baby boy circumsized what are the medical pros and cons all weve heard is its up to the parents how about the pregnant woman sitting in a tub of water weve heard stories of infection etc how about after the water has broken rmccown world std com old macdonald had an agricultural real estate tax abatement cars re mercury capri restrictions the restriction could have to do with the car being a convertible a lot of paronoid laws were passed concerning convertibles in the 80s these states may require greater rollover protection than the capri affords thatch harvey thatch harvey uucp no longer valid domain thatchh hplsla hp com hewlett packard lake stevens instrument division lake stevens wa 206 335 2083 merkur xr4ti suzuki gsx1100g prince sr3 d sports racer medicine re could this be a migraine gb from geb cs pitt edu gordon banks gb i am excepting migraine which is arguably neurologic gb i hope you meant inarguably given the choice i would rather argue g no arguments about migranous aura in fact current best evidence is that aura is intrinsicially neuronal a la spreading depression of leao rather than vascular something causing vasoconstriction and secondary neuronal ischemia migraine without aura however is a fuzzier issue there do not seem to be objectively measurable changes in brain function the copenhagen mafia lauritzen olesen et al have done local cbf studies on migraine without aura and unlike migraine with aura but like tension type they found no changes in lcbf from one absurd perspective all pain is neurologic because in the absence of a nervous system there would not be pain from another tautologic perspective any disease is in the domain of the specialty that treats it neurologists treat headache therefore at least in the usa headache is neurologic whether neurologic or not nobody would disagree that disabling headaches are common perhaps my fee for service neurologic colleagues scrounging for cases want all the headache patients they can get working on a salary however i would rather not fill my office with patients holding their heads in pain slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein religion what we learned from the waco wackos there are actually a few important things we can glean from this mess 1 when they start getting desperate for an answer to the question whats it all about mr natural pinkboys will buy darn near anything which means 2 theres still plenty of to be made in the false jesus business by enterprising subgenii just remember that 3 once youve separated the pinks from their green dont blow it all on automatic weapons from mexico put it in a swiss bank account smile a lot have your flunkies hand out flowers in airports the con will just shrug you off as long as 4 you never never never start to believe your own bulldada if david koresh handt started swallowing his own apocalypso now crap hed be working crossword puzzles in the bahamas today instead of contributing to the mulch layer in waco this is because 5 when you start shooting at cops theyre likely to shoot back and most of em are better shots than you are in short p t barnum was right and stupidity is self correcting thus endeth the lesson the doge of south st louis dobbs approved media conspirator tm one step beyond sundays 3 to 5 pm 88 1 fm st louis community radio youll pay to know what you really think j r bob dobbs cars re plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences in article 1qmq7tinn9l tamsun tamu edu dlb5404 tamuts tamu edu daryl biberdorf writes another user recently requested info about the shadow sundance cars but i havent seen any public responses what are peoples experiences with these cars daryl they are pretty much junk stay away from them they will be replaced next year with all new models guns re your evil tax dollars at work was re atf burns ranch etc etc lord i hope you dont hoover was a pro he was monstrous dan medicine selective placebo jb romdas uclink berkeley edu ella i baff writes jb jb ron roth recommends once you have your hypoglycemia confirmed through the jb proper channels you might consider the following jb diet omitted jb jb 1 ron what do you consider to be proper channels this sounds suspiciously im glad it caught your eye thats the purpose of this forum to educate those eager to learn about the facts of life that phrase is used to bridle the frenzy of all the would be respondents who otherwise would feel being left out as the proper authorities to be consulted on that topic in short it means absolutely nothing jb like a blood chemistry glucose tolerance and the like suddenly chemistry jb exists you know perfectly well that this person can be saved needless trouble jb and expense with simple muscle testing and hair analysis to diagnose no jb confirm any aberrant physiology but then again maybe thats what you mean muscle testing and hair analysis eh so what other fascinating space age medical techniques do you use do you sit under a pyramid over night as well to shrink your brain back to normal after a mind expanding day at your save the earth clinic jb 2 were you able to understand dick kings post that 90 of diseases is not thy jb evaluate the statistic you cited from the new england journal of medicine coul once i figure out what you are trying to say ill still have to wrestle with the possibility of you conceivably not being able to understand my answer to your question jb 3 ron have you ever thought about why you never post in misc health alterna jb tive and insist instead upon insinuating your untrained non medical often jb delusional notions of health and disease into this forum i suspect from your jb apparent anger toward mds and heteropathic medicine that there may be an you little psychoanalytical rascal you got me all figured out ja jb underlying father problem of course i can confirm this by surrogate muscle jb testing one of my patients while they ponder my theory to see if one of their jb previously weak indicator muscles strengthens or do you have reservations jb about my unique methods of diagnosis jb jb john badanes dc ca jb romdas uclink berkeley edu oh man when are you going to start teaching all this stuff ill bet everyone on this net must be absolutely dying to learn more about going beyond spinal adjustments and head straight for the mind for some freudian subluxation ron rosereader 2 00 p003228 in the next world youre on your own rosemail 2 10 usenet rose media hamilton 416 575 5363 guns re ban all firearms jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes firearms tend to fall into this low dollar pound area it would not be economic to smuggle them in all production would have to be local there are not all that many people who have both the skill and motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch high ranking crime figures could obtain imported uzis and such but the average person and average thug would be lucky to get a zip gun and would pay through the nose for it so why did the australian customs service make a public statement to a parliamentary committee last year that weapons smuggling was a problem which it was not able to control possibly criminals dont have your grasp of economics geoff miller g miller adfa edu au computer centre australian defence force academy medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr19 205615 1013 unlv edu todamhyp charles unlv edu brian m huey writes i think thats the correct spelling crullerian i am looking for any information supplies that will allow do it yourselfers to take krillean pictures im thinking that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for sale but i dont know any of the companies any info is greatly appreciated crullerian photography isnt educational except in a purely satiric sense in case you dont know krillean photography to the best of my knowledge involves taking pictures of an most of the time organic object between charged plates the picture will show energy patterns or spikes around the object photographed and depending on what type of object it is the spikes or energy patterns will vary one might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within the universe as we know it has its own energy signature crullerian photography involves putting donuts between grease covered hot metal plates while illuminating them with a krypton stroboscope through a unique iteration involving the 4th dimensional projection of a torus through the semi stochastic interactions of hot monomolecular lipid layers covering the metal plates the best metal is iron since it repels vampires and succubi the donuts start developing flutes and within moments actually become poly crenellated hot greasy breadtubes some people believe that food is the way to a mans heart but most psychics agree that there is nothing like hot crullers for breakfast the chemical composition of crullers is a mystery some thought evidence of charles forts channeling in stevie wonders production of the secret life of plants when played backwards in the theatre of unnaturally fertile findhorn farms has deduced that they are complex carbohydrates ordinarily only found by spectoscopy in the magellenic clouds i called devi on my orgone box and asked her if this was really the case and she tm levitated me a letter across the atlantic to tell me it was indeed not just another case of misunderstanding tesla though the miskatonic university hasnt confirmed anything at all at least the crullers taste good i got the recipe from kaspar hauser le jojo fresh n clean speaking out to the way you want to live today american all american doing a bit so and even more so guns re the truth about waco jgd dixie com john de armond writes nothing could at this point what would have gone a long way toward convincing me would have been media video particularly from diverse sources imho if the government didnt have anything to hide they would have allowed cameras near the compound from the beginning i agree i saw no reason they could not have had close in pool cameras manned by volunteers and protected by sandbags or whatever points made by dick degueran koreshs lawyer the tanks were not pumping cs gas but were ejecting exploding canisters from the tank booms that penetrated multiple walls before exploding okay their word against the fbis at this point see ya in court the tanks were collapsing interior walls and ceilings putting people at great risk dear dear they could have come out the construction of the coupound used almost all used materials that were very dry and bails of hay were stacked against the walls as shields against the governments bullets okay they were living in a fire hazard that they built said that previous to the invasion there were no military drills and that the supplies they had on hand were for survival no crime irrelevant either way their gas masks worked so well that many members were having bible study and some were sleeping when the fire was set ah yes that is exactly what i would do hold bible study take a nap always a wise course of action when youre being gassed there was no group instruction of any kind from koresh or his aids after the tank invasion referring to any kind of suicide pact or counter assault efforts i dont believe there was a suicide pact i believe that koresh wanted a fiery conflagration which he may not have told his followers in fact this hypothesis is confirmed by the survivors stories everyone had moved to the center of the compound in order to escape the falling debris from the tank invasion when the fire was set yes thats right and once the whole compound was demolished where did they expect to go women and children who has sought shelter on the second floor from the tanks were trapped by doors jammed by the tanks ramming the building and distorting the frames the building is being rammed and they are going upstairs thats almost as bad as running into a fire hallways ran the length of the buildings that acted as conduits for the fire and trapped almost everyone in place his experts have told him that this horizonal chimney effect is what made the fire appear to have started at several places at once hm an interesting notion well see koresh was not seen the last hour before the fire and was assumed to be in his 4th floor room with some of his children more bible study no doubt hey its a priority the texas medical examiner has stated flatly that none of the bodies recovered so far had bullet wounds directly contradicting the fbis lies actually on friday he stated that there was no evidence either way and he could not flatly contradict the federal agents claims well know more later in any event its irrelevant the survivors unanimously stated that if the victims could have gotten out they would have that they were trapped by the tank destroyed building and the speed of the fire for six hours they were trapped the building was not destroyed immediately they could have left at any time the underground bunker cited by the fbi as the place koresh could have put the children had he not been a cold blooded killer had been blocked by the tanks crashing down debris on top of the access door six hours to move it away or come out dick said that he had sat in koreshs bedroom talking to him and had observed that his room was furnished like all the rest and without air condition or other luxuries directly contradicting the fbis claim that he lived in splendor irrelevant anyway pr one way or the other but no crime or innocence indicated dick saw bullet holes in koreshs room made from the outside in which indicates the batf was indiscriminately shooting down through the roof no word on whether they were being fired back at which is an operative question here the fire was probably started by the tanks knocking over coleman lanterns that were lit and sitting on a piano next to the wall the tanks busted through though none of the survivors saw the fire start right for six hours you know that a tank could come thru the wall at any point and you leave a coleman lantern burning near bales of hay every one of the survivors strongly denies ever saying anything to the fbi about starting the fire hearing someone say the fire was lit or any of the other stuff attributed to them by the fbi its ultimately irrelevant who lit the fire they had ample opportunity to leave he said when he first met koresh in the compound he expected to find a raving lunatic but instead found a rational charming and intelligent young man and was very surprised by that fact most charismatic leaders are extremely intelligent actually they tend to be excellent actors and skilled manipulators ex ted bundy koresh had no drugs stronger than aspirin to use against pain medical assistance was jsut a phone call away gee all he had to do was come out women with children had their own bedrooms for them and their kids that were appointed as nicely as koreshs not relevant to any crimes dick said he saw signs of home schooling for the kids and at no time did he ever see any signs of abuse while he was there anyway outsiders rarely see abuse its a secretive thing all we have to go on are the court documents in the jewell case and the mistrial in california no one was ever held against their wills and could have left at any time the people who were murdered in the fire were there by their own choices exactly by their own choice he called for an independent prosecutor if ever there were a need for one this is it looks like there will be several investigations starting with congressional committee hearings next week his closing comments were they dont look upon themselves as a cult they view themselves as highly religious people they sincerely believe what they believe and who am you or i to judge that as wrong his last sentence says it all who the hell are we or the government to judge their religion as wrong this event i hope will be recorded in history as the american holocaust these people were murdered by the us government just as surely as the jews were by the nazis i hang my head in shame for what ive allowed my government to become i have never judged them by their religion but by their actions if they had lived a quiet religious life as they claimed there would have been no raid no siege and no deaths instead they chose courses of action at every turn that were at the very least stupid if not irrational the first was to stockpile weapons the second was to shoot federal agents the third was to stay inside just as we dont blame a cop who shoots a kid who had pointed a toy weapon at him i dont think the fbi deserves blame in this case the koresh cult standoff is over may his victims recquiescat in pace the above is a net moment of silence daniel a hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask me about rotaract cars re mercury villager minivan good buy in article c5ydwp 6g0 ncube com bob ncube com bob kehoe says either choice is good but beware that i did not experience reasonable mileage with the v6 average city driving was 15mpg with about 21 avg on the highway my nissan quest has been doing 20mpg city though its first few tanks were more like 17mpg the v6 and at are remarkably smooth johnny p stephens sig file upgrade on backorder will be distance learning technology here any day now arizona state university opinions expressed are mine medicine re med school admission hoss panix com writes hi all ive applied for the class of 93 at quite a number of schools 20 and have gotten 13 rejects 4 interviews and 3 no responses three possible results after interview 1 rejection outright 2 acceptance outright 3 the infamous wait list if you are on a wait list your entrance into medical school is dependent upon some other applicant withdrawing their acceptance this can happen as late as day 1 of starting classes any one know when the heck these people send out their acceptance letters according to the med school admissions book theyre supposed to send out the number of their class in acceptances by mid march whats going on i am losing my sanity checking my mailbox every day you can always call the admissions office the secretaries should have some idea of when a decision might be made on your application be calm respectful and friendly secretaries have more power than you might realize and you never know could be the dean of admissions answering the phone also does anyone have some useful alternatives in case i dont get in i if you dont get in this year sit down and re evaluate yourself your motives desires and goals that are directing you into medicine your academic and extracurricular accomplishments make a decision about whether you really want to be a medical doctor i had classmates who dropped out in the first semester of med school because they found it was not what they wanted to do i have friends who applied four years in a row before they were accepted medicine as a career is a choice you must make for yourself dont be pushed into it because of your parents family significant other if you still want to be a medical doctor determine how you can improve your application a letter of recommendation from a professor who knows you well and can give an honest positive recommendation is far better than one from a big shot famous professor who only vaguely remembers your face also dont be afraid to ask these people if they can give you an honest and positive recommendation give them a chance to say no sorry instead of the medical school saying no sorry i have turned down writing recommendations for some students because i did not know them well enough to make any meaningful comments and some because i honestly could not recommend them at that point rewrite your personal statement take it by an english professor or some other friendly person with skill and experience in writing and proof reading and get their criticism both about what you are saying as well as how you say it review your academic accomplishments if your grades are poor in some area dont be afraid to spend some time in further coursework evidence of determined committment will help here if you filled your pre medicine curriculum with gut courses it usually shows look at your extracurricular involvements participating in local philanthropic or service organizations is a plus substantial leadership roles in an organization help also beware of resume padding such things are not difficult to spot and weed out overall a clear conception of where you wish to head and why you want to get there combined with an honest self appraisal of skills and aptitude will be the best path to take in applying to any program medical or what have you good luck with the process as tom petty says the waiting is the hardest part at least emotionally bob schmieg baseball re why is barry bonds not batting 4th in article 1993apr21 032427 22464 leland stanford edu punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi writes as the heading indicates it is impossible for me to fathom why barry is not batting 4th for the giants behind will clark barry is such an awesome and consistent hitter definitely the best in the national league imho to have williams a streaky hitter and not really a clutch hitter batting 4th ahead of bonds is simply an injustice to the giants and fans of the giants 2 simple reasons 1 batting williams ahead of bonds will create a left clark right williams left bonds situation in the middle of the batting order this makes it tougher for opposing manager to change pitchers 2 having bonds batting behind williams means that matt will get more good pitches to hit this is important since he struggles so much with breaking balls opposing pitchers dont want to walk williams to get to bonds edward hui guns atf not enought to do the best reason to abolishing the atf is that they dont have enough to do if the organization were disbanded and its duties assigned to the fbi firearms and irs tobacco and alcohol both of these organizations have enough to do the fbi is probably not going to try to get a criminal charge of illegal machine gun for having a broken gun there have been postings stating that law enforcement should be divided and and weak but there is nothing more dangerous to liberties than a law enforcement agency without enough criminals to chase the atf is one and look at the trouble it started in waco rod anderson n0nzo i do not think the united states government boulder co is responsible for the fact that a bunch of rcanders nyx cs du edu fanatics decided to kill themselves satellite n0nzo on ao 16 slick willie the compassionate religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 in article rn652b5w165w tweekco uucp alizard tweekco uucp a lizard wrote judging from postings ive read all over usenet and on non usenet bbs conferences barney is definitely an endangered species especially if he runs into me in a dark alley please please dont make barney to a modern martyr saviour mythical figure i detest this being and if humans will create a religion in his name then life will be unbearable cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net windows please refresh on internet access to compuserve hi sometime ago there are some discussions on gaining compuserve access thru the internet but i seem to misplace those articles can someone please refresh me where which site i can telnet to to gain access hopefully i can download files as well thanks arthur lim email arthur mailhost scs com sg medicine med school admission continued hi all i got several emails and a couple news replies and i guess i shoulda went into more detail being my anxiety level is peaking and you folks have no clue who i am i may as well post the specifics and see what you people think regarding my previous post to recap i applied to 20 schools total 16 of which were md and 4 do as it stands now i have had 13 rejects 4 interviews 2 md and 2 do the results of which are 2 waiting lists 1 md and one do 3 schools i heard nothing from at all i have contacted all institutions other than the rejects and they have no info whatsoever to tell me i have taken a good mix to apply to 2 3 top schools a bunch of middles and a few safety funny that most of my safety schools were the first to reject me my index is at like a 3 5 mcats were r7 p9 b10 wq and r7 p9 b11 wr i couldnt get the damn reading score up i never stuff like art history politics etc ive done medical research at the undergrad level done clinical lab work for years now but unfortunately i have no patient contact experience i cant think of what else i left out but thats the summary what percent of people are usually called from the waiting lists on an average i felt that my interviews went quite well yet i dont have a firm acceptance in my hand anyone have any suggestions as to calm the mailbox anxiety if you premeds out there or med students have any questions or comments for me feel free to send them down typing is a form of anti anxiety thereapy hehehehe felix the cat 0 0 the wonderful wonderful cat meow hoss panix com cars re drivers seat best cars of the year tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes the golf also won ajacs automobile journalists association of canada 1993 car of the year award and unless i am mistaken i screwed up my borrowed vcr and got the first 2 minutes the corrado slc was awarded ajacs sports sporty car of the year mattias tom haapanen tomh metrics com software metrics inc waterloo ont stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth now pull up thats how the corrado makes you feel car january 93 mattias hembruch my views do not necessarily reflect those of the tse e mail mhembruc tse com cars re the kuebelwagen in article c5k5co f09 mentor cc purdue edu thwang mentor cc purdue edu tommy hwang writes sorry for the mis spelling but i forgot how to spell it after my series of exams and no on hand reference here is it still possible to get those cute wwii vw jeep wanna bes a replica would be great i think greetings you may be in luck i seem to recall seeing a blurb in one of the kit car magazines about a company in norway who pulled a mould sp off a real kubel and has adapted it to the beetle floorpan as for the suspension all i can remember about the vw thing i used to own is that it had about 3 more suspension travel than a stock beetle but id heard that there were after market parts for off road use that were as good or better note that the major difference looks wise between a kubel a thing are the hood and the fenders the kubel had an external spare mounted on the hood and the hood sloped down for visibility sharply and had rounded fenders the thing has a lightly sloped hood with the spare mounted inside unless moved to make for more luggage space and has half hexagon shaped fenders imagine a nut large enough to put a tire in and cut off the bottom half of it unfortunately i dont have that info anymore try stopping at a local bookstore and copying down the phone numbers for the two big mags and calling them they might be able to get the number for you dont forget to calculate the time difference to norway before calling later kc a quick bones help me get include o this klingon off my ss std disclaimer h damn it jim im a kking cs uah edu doctor not a bidet windows re need longer filenames in 1993apr19 211044 28763 guinness idbsu edu lhighley gozer idbsu edu larry paul highley wrote is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than the standard 8 3 format if so please email me please e mail me too thanks howard hfeldman infoserv com howard feldman minds eye inc windows vb to msaccess dde communications a couple of weeks ago i posted a question concerning communicating between vb and msaccess using dde the answers i received at that time allowed me to get a prototype of my project working however during this process i have come up with new problems 1 there seems to be a limit of 255 characters for a dde topic string is this inherent in all dde systems or just peculiar to msaccess or vb 2 it is easy to query an access database from vb using the dde sql command provided the above limitation is overcome by using short field and table names but how is one meant to update a database a a dde sql update command does not seem to work b initiating an access macro using a dde execute command from vb cannot be used because when the macro requests information from vb using a second dde channel the programs dead lock until time outs occur the vb to access channel has to close before the access to vb channel is initiated i guess c access does not allow vb to dde poke the information the way i eventually managed to update a database was by sending key strokes from vb to access using the sendkeys command this technique has the problem that access cannot be minimised and it must always be in a state ready to respond to the sequence of key strokes vb sends are all the above statements correct or have i made incorrect assumptions are there any better work arounds to the above are there any signs of an odbc driver for access bob ran doc ic ac uk cars re mgbs and the real world in article 1993apr5 181056 29411 mks com mike mks com mike brookbank writes my sister has an mgb she has one from the last year they were produced 1978 1979 its in very good shape ive been bugging her for years about selling it ive said over and over that she should sell it before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability grass roots motorsport 3 93 has a long article about mg bs this month as far as collectivity speculation is concerned they think it is a waste of time especially the later rubber bumpered models are the least desirable a 1962 original model the most the reasons for its low value are easy availability and the fact that it just was not a very good car craig which one of us is right are there mgb affectionados out there who are still willing to pay 6k to 8k for an old mg are there a lot out in the market mike brookbank mks 35 king st north mike mks com director interopen sales mkt waterloo ontario 519 884 2251 mortice kern systems inc mks canada n2j 2w9 fax 519 884 8861 cars re saturn pricing blatherings mihir pramod shah mps1 cec1 wustl edu wrote robert j wade writes until and more saturn retailers are built like 2 in the same city most medium and large cities have a small handful of saturn dealers now sacramento has two saturn dealerships mihir shah ralph bean hprnd rose hp com windows re visual c to clarify vc is considered an upgrade for c7 there will be no product called c 8 0 although the command line compiler of vc lists its version as 8 00 c7 is not a dos only product it is a c c compiler capable of producing executables for dos or windows as is vc pro ed the significant difference is that vc comes with many windows hosted tools ide etc which assist developers in creating windows executables much more quickly basically by automating the thousands of lines of boilerplate code initial impressions have been very favorable everyone who is a registered user of c7 should have received a considerable amount of info regarding the specifics of c7 if you havent call microsoft and im sure theyd be happy to send you some jefrem iwaniw pelican software corporation cars re mazda just does not feel right the car might also need a front end alignment particularly if youre describing wandering cars a c service rip off i went to a place called american car care centers to check my car for a c leak after checking i was told that there is a leak in the compressor seal at the end in addition to the labor for the check i was charged 12 dollars for a pound of freon although they evacuated my a c afterwards because of the leak first is it fair for him to charge me for a pound of freon 12 plus tax second what can i do about this if this is unfair albert wu medicine info colonics and purification recently ive come upon a body of literature which promotes colon cleansing as a vital aid to preventive medicine through nutrition in particular dr bernard jenssen in his book colon cleansing for health and longevity the title actually escapes me but it is very similar to that claims that regular self administered colonics along with certain orally ingested debris loosening agents boosts the immune system to a significant degree he also plugs a unique appliance called the colema board which facilitates the self administration of colonics it sells for over 100 from a california based company he also plugs vitra tox products as his chemical agents of choice these include volcanic ash supposedly for its electrical charge and psyllium powder for its bulkiness if anyone knows anything about colon cleansing theory its particulars or the colema board and related products id be very interested to hear about research and personal experience this article is crossposted to alt magick as the issue touches upon fasting and cleansing through a ritual system of purification eli wiesel cs yale edu elisha wiesel davenport college 94 yale university wiesel minerva cis yale edu 203 436 1338 school 212 371 2756 home cars re manual shift bigots in article 1993apr22 112904 6771 ericsson se etxmst sta ericsson se writes but why not turn the question around why are automatics so common in the us because some people like them and some people actually need them my guess is that when they tried to couple manuals to the torque rich v8s in the sixties the clutches turned out as real killers you had to use both feet to depress and that this has just lived on yeah right real muscle cars had a manual transmission and their clutches arent that heavy shelby american used plenty of high powered high torque engines and carroll only put autos in his cars because people wanted them blasphemers heretics burn them burn them for defiling a shelby with an auto real cobras and they were the ultimate sports car at the time had big block fords which turned out prodigious amounts of power and torque and none of them had automatics and also an automatic with a v8 engine can be real fun to drive yeah if you call a gear shift in the middle of a curve fun i personally would love to have a 66 galaxie 500 7 liter coupe with a fire breathing 427 and four onna floor to go along side my 66 galaxie 500 pillarless hardtop with a fire breathing 390 with three onna tree i love the sound of dual exhaust in the morning theres no comparison between a real american muscle car and a car with a big engine and an automatic imho james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven windows re quicken 6 vs tobias managing your money in article 1993apr20 040449 19649 twg com q twg com michael wiesenberg writes anyway is anyone aware of a comparitive study of the two programs or can someone just give me their own personal impressions maybe pc magazine january 12 1993 had a review of several personal finance management programe as did pc computing january 1993 pc world december 1992 also had articles about quicken and managing your money i can email you copies of these articles if you cant find them at your library ive been using managing your money for several years and i have several friends who use quicken though ive not used it myself my overall impression is that quicken is a financial accounts manager while managing your money will help you more completely manage your finances here are some features that i believe managing your money and quicken share the ability to keep records for each of your financial accounts checking savings charge cash or brokerage you can reconcile your account statements with the records the program keeps the ability to make a budget and track your spending against that budget a checkfree module which will allow you to use the checkfree bill paying service to pay your bills via your modem the ability to print checks on your printer the ability to keep loan records and set up automatic loan payments the ability to import stock quotations to keep your brokerage accounts up to date i know managing your money can do this automatically via modem quicken probably can as well but im not sure about it the ability to export tax information to popular tax preparation programs here are some features that i believe managing your money has that quicken does not a tax prediction module this looks at your accounts and budget to predict your tax liability for the coming year its usefull to fine tune your withholding so uncle sam doesnt get his due too early an insurance and vital records module this is a place to keep records of your insurance policies as well as other vital records it can also compute your life expectancy a financial analysis module this computes compound interest effects of inflation loan payments term or interest yield to maturity for bonds savings account yields days between dates and loan amortization schedules it also has functions to help you decide whether to refinance your mortgage whether you can afford a particular home whether a particular rental property is a good investment whether you should buy lease or rent and whether a particular investments cash flow is adequate for your situation this module can also help you plan for retirement and for helping your kids with their tuition a net worth module this is a place to record all your assets and liabilities your net worth can be computed from this information any assets or liabilities recorded in other modules are automatically included here a desk module this includes a small word processor a card file you can use to store names addresses phone numbers and other vital information about friends and associates a perpetual calander a rudimentary calculator a to do list a reminder list an appointment list and a place to record your phone calls for those who need to track such things your appointments reminders and to do list can be made to display automatically when you start the program there are probably some things listed above that quicken has but im almost sure that quicken doesnt do everything ive listed if im wrong im sure hordes of quicken devotees will flame me to a crisp one thing that quicken has that managing your money does not yet have is a windows version meca software is rumored to be working on a windows version of managing your money for release late this year i hope this information is of use to you ive found managing your money to be a very usefull program for keeping my financial records on the other hand i know many people who are equally as happy with quicken if quicken has all the features you need or want id go with it if you find any of the managing your money features that quicken doesnt have to be useful i think its well worth the price medicine re request gyro souvlaki sauce in article 1r8pcn rm1 terminator rs itd umich edu donald mackie med umich edu donald mackie writes in article 1993apr22 205341 172965 locus com michael trofimoff tron fafnir la locus com writes would anyone out there in net land happen to have an authentic sure fire way of making this great sauce that is used to adorn gyros and souvlaki im not sure of the exact recipe but im sure acidophilus is one of the major ingredients the only recipies ive ever seen for this include plain yogurt finely chopped cucumber and a couple of crushed cloves of garlic yummy kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer windows question on eisa video board performance i have an eisa machine and i just do not understand why most eisa video cards only match the performance of their isa counterparts for instance the eisa orchid pro designer iis e is only about as fast as the isa diamond speedstar plus which isnt what i would call fast i dont understand why eisa video cards arent as a group on the same level of performance as local bus cards given that eisa video cards have a 32 bit bus to move data around instead of isas 8 bits since they are not why would anyone me included pay a higher cost for a eisa video card when its performance is no better than and often worse that a much cheaper isa video board such as a diamond speedstar 24x from pc magazines i think recent report i know that ati makes a pretty fast eisa video card but its around 500 which is just about double what my wallet will allow me to spend and for 500 i could get a diamond viper and still have 100 left over of course id have to get a local bus mother board too can anyone shed some light on my confusion frustration thanks christopher wroten cfw world std com medicine re sinus vs migraine was re sinus endoscopy in article lauger 240393141539 lauger mdc com lauger ssdgwy mdc com john lauger writes in article 19201 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks wrote whats the best approach to getting off the analgesics is there something two approaches that ive used tofranil 50 mg qhs naproxen 250mg bid the naproxen doesnt seem to be as bad as things like tylenol in promoting the analgesic abuse headache dhe iv infusions for about 3 days in hospital cold turkey is the only way i think tapering doesnt help i wouldnt know how you can do this without your doctor i havent seen anyone successfully do it alone doesnt mean it cant be done gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars re alarm systems are they worthwhile in article 1993apr19 164451 3744 news eng convex com dave dodson dodson convex com writes is it worthwhile to get an alarm system on a new car what features are important what features are unimportant that is a question that can only be answered by yourself and where you live if you live in a place where crime is apparent then it might be a good idea to get one simply as a deterrent however if a professional thief wants your vehicle its as good as gone no matter what you do but to slow down any thieves it would be a good idea to get the basic options that would be 1 ignition kill or fuel cut off 2 a flashing red led these two are basic to a decent alarm system to slow down the criminal some more get a steering wheel lock that should be sufficient to persuade the thief to find an easier target but then theres always car jacking why is life so confusing i hope i helped somewhat jason yow human factors psychology program wright state university dayton oh e mail jyow desire wright edu cars re mr2 noisy engine in article apr21 053718 19765 engr washington edu eliot lanmola engr washington edu eliot writes in article 1r1vofinn871 usenet pa dec com tomacj opco enet dec com thunderbirds are go writes are there any mr2 owners or motor head gurus out there that know why my mr2s engine sounds noisy the mr2s engine is noisy at the best of times but not even a nice nose its one of those very ugly noises assuming yours is a non turbo mr2 the gruffness is characteristic of a large inline 4 that doesnt have balance shafts i guess toyota didnt care about little details like that when they can brag about the mid engine configuration and the flashy styling myself i automatically cross out any car from consideration or recommendation which has an inline 4 larger than 2 liters and no balance shafts it is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind if you ever want a halfway decent engine if the noise really bugs you there is nothing else that you can do except to sell it and get a v6 eliot eliot is right about 2 2 liter engine in the second and last generation mr2s but the original guy did not indicate the year of his mr2 if its a first generation car like my 85 it has 1 6 liter engine or perhaps same engine with a supercharger if its 87 89 the sound he describes is common to any older toyota engine i ever heard i dont know the relevance of his observations about oil changes my simply makes noise not all that annoying mind you but you hear it well when the engine is right behind your left ear mike s windows re windows for workgroups and lan workplace now does anyone know if it is possible to use w4wg and lan workplace for dos at the same time ie can i access a file on another pc while being logged on to the mainframe at the same time simultaneously yup were using both and they work just fine hopefully someday wfwg will communicate over lwp tcpip right now we have to load netbeui i use odi with odinsup and all works well medicine re annual inguinal hernia repair in article jpc 735692207 avdms8 msfc nasa gov jpc avdms8 msfc nasa gov j porter clark wrote synopsis young man with inguianl hernia on one side repaired now has new hernia on other side what gives he asks and he continues of course my wife thinks its from sitting for long periods of time at the computer reading news there is the possibility that there is some degree of constipation causing chronic straining which has caused the bowel movements the classic problems that are supposed to be looked for in someone with a hernia are constipation chronic cough colon cancer and youre not too young for that and sitting for long periods of time at the computer reading news good luck with your surgery steve holland well that post was not that accurate people with early life hernias are felt to have a congenital sack that promotes the formation of hernias the hernias of later life may be more associated with chronic straining however the risk of damage to the intestine without an operation is high enough that it ought to be repaired the risk of cancer is probably no higher than the general population but since you are near 40 it would be sensible to have some sort of cancer screening such as a flexible sigmoidoscopy sorry for the misleading info steve holland windows re is ms windows a mature os why is it that i find the mac desktop incredibly annoying whenever i use it because you are uptight many computer literate people see advantages in each system you act like a mac ate your cat lighten up religion re 666 the number of the beast viewer discretion is advised un resolution 666 guarantees humanitarian aid will get into irag during the gulf war is this war over is aid getting in or are they still trying to smoke out saddam is this the middle east are we talking religious war here am i ranting james owens ad354 freenet carleton ca ottawa ontario canada guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1993apr21 053035 29591 mcs kent edu mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu the lawnmowerman says deleted lives for his cause therefore it is davids fault and not the atfs who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out this was 50 days to many for me and for many of the rest of the u s i am however sad to hear of the death of any child unlike the sick bastard i supposedly am matthew r hamilton mhamilto mcs kent edu a k a cs physics major 1499h751 ksuvxb kent edu the lawnmowerman kent state university 1299h751 ksuvxb kent edu how tragically ironic that a post like this should originate from kent state apparently the lessons of history have been ignored there windows re standard and enhanced question ak333 cleveland freenet edu martin linsenbigler writes why is win 3 1 sometimes so finicky i have a new dell 486dx2 66mhz 8 megs ram windows was working just great i had a bus mouse and mother board problem dell replaced the mouse gave me a newer mouse driver for windows and replaced the motherboard just prior to this problem windows would only load up every other time i would get the logo and either it would go on into windows or lock up this was very consistent every other time much deleted any thoughts or comments sounds like a memory conflict problem which can cause truly weird symptoms like these call dell tech support or better post to them on cserve if you have an account and get the memory range s used by video ram on your machine the block windows from using those ranges with an emmexclude statement in the 386enh section of system ini you probably should include a statement excluding the same range from emm386 or whatever memory manager you use in config sys dell installs windows on the machines they ship but the installation doesnt consist of much more than copying the files to a hard disk you still have to do the work and the fact that you have the problem in enhanced mode but not standard strongly suggests a high memory conflict windows codabar font hi i need a codabar font for win tt or other thanks medicine request gyro souvlaki sauce hi all would anyone out there in net land happen to have an authentic sure fire way of making this great sauce that is used to adorn gyros and souvlaki thanks tron e mail tron locus com vidi vici veni baseball re wfan in article c5jc3z knd news udel edu philly ravel udel edu robert c hite writes in article 1993apr15 151202 3551 virginia edu jja2h virginia edu writes does any one out there listen to wfan for those of you who do not know what i am talking about it is an all sports radio staion in new york on a clear night the signal reaches up and down the east coast in particular i want to know how len berman and mike lupicas show is i go to school in virginia so i cant listen when there are on during the day just wondering youre right about the signal being strong i live in west philadelphia and i can get fan almost perfectly its a sports fans dream especially if that person is from ny and wants to hear about his teams while hes away at school as for lupica berman its turned out to be lupica then berman neither of them wanted to work a full four hour show so ed coleman and dave sims old four hour slot was broken down into two seperate two hour show lupica from 10 12 and berman from 12 2 and they both happen to suck in comparison to eddie and dave come back guys the fan is an okay sports radio station but doesnt come close to the ultimate in sports radio 610 wip in philadelphia the signal might not be as powerful but then again only stations in new york feel obligated to pollute everyone elses airwaves with a bunch of hoodlum mets fans complaining 24 hours a day wip took two of your best sports jockeys too jody macdonald and steve fredericks 610 wip is rockin with sports talk from 5 30 am till midnight check it out anytime your within a few hours of philadelphia if im not mistaken wip has the highest sports talk ratings in the nation like i said i live in philly so i can hear fan and or wip whenever i want but i cannot stand wip and it isnt because i loathe the philly sports teams the phillies are my favorite nl team yanks are favorite al and the eagles arent too bad either there are two big problems 1 total emphasis on the home teams especially the eagles unlike the fan hosts who can at least answer a question about an out of town team if a caller asks the wip hosts seem to have no clue about any team that doesnt play on broad street also fans periodic sports updates every 20 minutes gives sports news and scores from around the country its very rare to hear an out of town score being reported on wip 2 the hosts with the exception of jody macdonald who i miss from his days at fan none of the hosts really seems to have both a broad knowledge of the sport or a good on air presence the worst is gary cobb who seems to have been hired solely on the basis that he used to play for the eagles anyway thats my two cents on the whole fan vs wip battle alan baseball re cardinals mailing list in article poe 735289475 husc harvard edu poe husc10 harvard edu leslie poe writes likewise i would love to know about a cardinals mailing list please e mail me if you have any information thanks a lot les poe poe husc harvard edu this is the fifth request to find out about a cardinals mailing list it looks like one does not exist if anyone has the initiative creating a list might be a worthwhile activity sam passer cars aftermarket exhausts for bmw 320i i am in the process of looking for a half decent aftermarket sport exhaust for my 1981 bmw 320i so far i have found a pacesetter exhaust for 219 and an ansa exhaust for 190 canadian funds i was wondering if anyone could tell me anyhting about either of these exhausts or any other possible exhausts that i may be interested in my main priorities are a decent horse power increase 5 30 and a nice low note to go along with that added power i was also thinking of looking into both remus and leistritz exhausts has anyone got anything to say about these i am mainly looking for the muffler only but if anyone can find a good deal on a whole kit i would be willing to go after that i also would like to know how much these would cost me in the states please mail me back if you have any information mike welker windows re windows help in 1993apr20 072905 21404 fel tno nl mveraart fel tno nl mario veraart writes umyin ccu umanitoba ca qing yin writes hi its an easy question for you windows gurus id appreciate any help we need to write an on line help for our application we dont have windows software developers toolkit yet since we just want to build a hlp file around windows help engine i hope it wont be that complicated anyway could someone kindly give me some hints of how to build such an on line help if it does not take 100 pages to explain or if it is complicated would you help to point out what i would need to do it vincent q yin umyin ccu umanitoba ca hi if you have developed your own windows application you must have a sdk of some sort that contains the hc exe or hc31 exe file to compile and generate hlp files out of rtf files rtf files are generated by a wordprocessor like word for dos or w4w you do not need the sdk what you need and can get free are location ftp cica indiana edu index pub pc win3 index first get pub pc win3 uploads what zip 1 3m this contains the help compiler among other things it is free from microsoft then get these i think these are free too dir pub pc win3 programr files hag zip whag zip wfwhlp zip these are shareware dir pub pc win3 util files hwab21 zip qdhelp zip qdtool zip dir pub pc win3 winword files drhelpev zip macros for word 2 0 to convert doc to hlp files shiva shenoy e mail shenoy iastate edu 2066 black dept of aeem isu ames ia 50010 office 515 294 0082 shiva shenoy e mail shenoy iastate edu 2066 black dept of aeem isu ames ia 50010 office 515 294 0082 baseball re omar vizquel grand salami do you think omars grand slam is the result of his new fan club last week a banner appeared in the kingdome older women for omar cheryl cheryl marks hp ux address cherylm lsid hp com hp desk cheryl marks hpa100 telenet 1 335 2193 ma bell 206 335 2193 usps cheryl marks ms 330 8600 soper hill road everett wa 98205 1298 too much of a good thing is wonderful mae west baseball reds without sleeves was re new uniforms am i the only person who thinks the reds sleeveless uniforms are ugly yet another reason why they wont win the nl west eric roush fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu i am a marxist of the groucho sort grafitti paris 1968 tanstaafl although the internet comes close cars re its a rush was re too fast in a previous article gwm spl1 spl loral com gary w mahan says why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph the only thing i fear going at 130 are drivers who switch to the left lane without using either rear view mirror or flashers doing 130 to 150 aint a rush for me but its fun and i get where i want to go much faster in defense of the drivers who are in the right lane here in the states people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50 mph i dont think this is because they are stupid of course there are exceptions they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit do you in the states when you look in the rear view always calculate future positions of cars based on a 50 speed differential dont get me wrong i love to drive in the left lane fast but when i overtake cars who are on the right i slow down a tad bit if i were to rely on the judgement of the other car to recognize the speed differential i would be the stupid one just to satiate my curiosity why would this make you the stupid one it seems to me everybody should be aware enough of what is going on you do not need to calculate the future position you need to look at your mirrors a little more if you glance around you will be able to tell how much faster than you the car is going maybe not precisely but well enough to know if you should let him around before you try to pass i know what you are talking about about the other driver being startled because i myself have been startled by drivers cruising by at around 90 100mph when im doin 55 65 the problem though as i saw it was not their fault for barreling around me but my fault for not paying the attention to my task at hand that i should have been oddly enough since the 2nd time happened 2x in around 4 mo when id had my liscence for around 6 mo i havent been startled and ive been passed by cars doing roughly twice the speed of my car another odd occurance is the fact that this only seems to happen on long trips and if i drive along with them it doesnt happen at all even on the long trips adrenaline will do that to you ive had bad cop experiences with speeding so anything over the limit is adrenalizing for me scared ill get caught maybe they should raise the limit so we can pay better attention just curious and my otwo drew medicine re urine analysis in article c67t3m fxx athena cs uga edu mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu michael covington writes in article 1rm2bn kps transfer stratus com randy faneuf vos stratus com writes someone please help me i am searching to find out as many others may an absolute cure to removing all detectable traces of marijuana from a persons body is there a chemical or natural substance that can be ingested or added to urine to make it undetectable in urine analysis if so where can these substances be found you could do what i do never go near the stuff theres always the old switcheroo my brother works at a dialysis clinic they were interviewing candidates for a technician job mainly electronics tech and a urine screen was part of the interview the bathroom was across the hall from a lab one candidate managed to switch his urine sample with one he grabbed from the lab no one was in it at the time most inner city dialysis patients have quite a few medical problems so it was immediately obvious what had happened my brother fleetingly considered telling the candidate im sorry but you are very ill and need medical attention immediately they offered him another well monitored chance and he declined guns re founding father questions in article 1993apr5 153951 25005 eagle lerc nasa gov pspod bigbird lerc nasa gov steve podleski writes arc cco caltech edu aaron ray clements writes wasnt she the one making the comment in 88 about george being born with a silver foot in his mouth sounds like another damn politician to me aint like the old days in texas anymore the politicians may have been corrupt then but at least theyd take a stand my apologies to a few exceptions i can think of news now is that the house may already have a two thirds majority so her opposition out of her concern for image shes even said this publicly may not matter do people expect the texans congressmen to act as the n j republicans did there is a likely veto proof majority in the house the senate unfortunately is a different story the lt gov has vowed that the bill will not be voted on and he has the power to do it in addition the senate is a much smaller and more readily manipulated body on ther other hand the semi automatic ban will likely not live as at least fifty per cent of the house currently opposes it and it is very far down in the bill order in the senate i believe it will be addressed after the ccw bill and i thought my tx political science class was a waste of time dillon pyron the opinions expressed are those of the ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated 214 462 3556 when im here 214 492 4656 when im home god gave us weather so we wouldnt complain pyron skndiv dseg ti com about other things padi dm 54909 guns re change of name in article c5y9x7 7v0 well sf ca us seelowe well sf ca us hudson h luce writes i suggest another name change thomas parsli to vidkun quisling this is really uncalled for you cannot expect a european growing up in a culture of rulers and subjects to immediately grasp the concepts of individual independence and citizen sovereignity in the us hes less at fault than the countrymen we have here who also cant grasp it cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet guns re waco dates are these coincidental richard cower cower csli stanford edu wrote i believe this raid was ill planned because they only had 2 days to plan it and it was continued when failure was obvious because it had a bit part in the much larger political agenda of president clinton i would even suggest that the loss of 4 atf agents is inconsequential in this the context of his political agenda it might even be beneficial to his agenda as it helps point up just how evil these assualt weapons are further proof might be that the atf denied their agents street stories report requests for sufficient fire power important dates feb 25th nj assembly votes to overturn assault weapon ban feb 28th compound in waco attacked on feb 25th the new jersey assembly voted to overturn the assault weapon ban in that state it looked like it might be a tight vote but the senate in n j was going to vote to overturn the ban it would not sit well to have an eastern state overturn an assault weapon ban given clintons stated agenda on gun control i suspect clinton gave the order to get someone or some group with assualt weapons and have the press present they were initially at the incident in waco to record the event for the tv audience the agent on street stories reported that a supervisor was urging them all to get ready fast as they know we are coming i believe this attack continued even tho the probablility of failure was high because it came from the top down after the n j assembly vote the atf had a limited amount of time to come up with something and the wackos in waco fit the bill nicely rich i dont know rich last year when the congress was debating the bushmans crime bill the incident at lubys cafe occured most of the anti gun crap was amended out of the bill anyway could a president order go find some assault weapons and bring the media i hope not frankly the toon meister scares me of course having a democratic majority in congress doesnt help apologies to all demos who support rkba definition toon meister a characatureic name for the current president of the u s clinton aka clintoon aka toon meister rob p baseball re triva question on bosios no hitter wall cc swarthmore edu matthew wall writes i dont actually have the answer to this one bosio after walking the first two batters retired 27 straight for a back end perfect game well there were 27 outs in a row with no hits or walks in between but really he only retired 26 batters in a row the first out of the game was the front end of a double play still counts as a back end perfect game in my book though congrats to chris bosio too bad the brewers couldnt hold on to him jon hamkins hamkins uiuc edu university of illionois guns re the dayton gun buy back re boston gun buy back lvc cbnews cb att com larry cipriani writes according to wnci 97 9 fm radio this morning dayton ohio is operating a gun buy back they are giving 50 for every functional gun turned in they ran out of money in one day and are now passing out 50 vouchers of some sort they are looking for more funds to keep operating another media event brought to you by hci is there something similar pro gun people can do for example pay 100 to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm sounds a bit tacky but hey whatever works as david veal points out this sort of promotion would be used against gun owners by the mass media however here is my proposal offer gun safety classes in your area free as a community service such a class would normally cost 40 or 50 so offering it free is a good promotion our gun club has organized several of these we just finished teaching another one last night in fact and they have been very well received we get a lot of people who are novices interested in guns we even get a few who are anti gun but feel they should know something about gun safety since members of their family keep guns at home teaching such a course gives us many desirable benefits 1 we have the chance to teach gun safety rules this increases firearm awareness and may help to reduce gun accident stats 2 a gun safety class is politically correct and likely to be viewed positively by the public and the media 3 most of the students are normal people not gun enthusiasts and this kind of class gives us the chance to give them a gentle introduction to firearms 4 some of the students are enthusiastic and will purchase a gun and become more involved in shooting or personal defense 5 it improves the public perception of our club and gun owners in general our students see that we are all reasonable non aggressive soft spoken people which helps to mitigate the standard image of a hardcore gun owner even anti gun students sometimes tell us they have something new to think about with regards to personal gun ownership 6 sharing our experience with others is a lot of fun our course is the standard nra certified home firearm safety class and our students pay only 5 for materials we also teach the nras personal protection class although the cost is higher for that one since we have to purchase range time i think firearms safety classes are an excellent response to gun buy backs alane nobody shares my opinions i am a jelly doughnut especially not my employer president john f kennedy baseball re bonilla in article 1993apr20 034558 28920 midway uchicago edu thf2 midway uchicago edu writes gary varsho halfway there and unlikely to make it 3 4 of the way there wait a minute i could swear that varsho is white sherri nichols snichols adobe com religion re whos next mormons and jews cochrane james shapleigh writes it wouldnt be the first time a group has committed suicide to avoid the shame of capture and persecution this group killed itself to fulfill its interpretation of prophecy and to book a suite in paradise taking innocent kids along for the ride i hardly think the feds were motivated by persecution if they were all koresh would have had to do was surrender quietly to the authorities without firing a shot to get the american people behind him and put the feds in the hot seat but no god told him to play the tough guy theres great strength in yielding but few appreciate this peter m yadlowsky wake the sky is light academic computing center let us to the net again university of virginia companion keyboard pmy virginia edu after basho guns re die koresh die in article 1r04h8 q5a umcc umcc umich edu tim umcc umcc umich edu tim tyler writes i was hoping that however the situation was resolved the property would remain intact so the govt could sell it to help pay for the hundreds of thousands of dollars of expenses incurred having to babysit krazy koresh his flock of sheep in some south american countries after political undesirables disappeared the family would get a notice of death and a bill for the disposal of the body you apparently think that would be a good idea the federal government initiated this action against koresh and his followers surrounded them for 51 days engaged in psychological warfare used heavy military equipment against us citizens on us soil and now that the compound caught fire while they were pumping in cs gas after knocking holes in the building disavows all responsibility big brother is not always right paul eric stoufflet columbia presbyterian medical center internet pes3 cunixf cc columbia edu all opinions are my own cars re comparing saabs bmws in article lth2oninn3r0 exodus eng sun com tut cairo eng sun com bill bill tuthill writes for a reasonable sum you can get a bmw with traction control a torque sensing limited slip rear differential traction control as far as the optional feature that one buys with cars is not the same thing at all as a torque sensing differential a torque sensing differential is a type of lsd but not all lsds are torque sensing viscous coupled differentials as opposed to viscous couplings are rotational sensing not torque sensing for that matter so are traction control systems that use abs sensors and pulse braking then there are the older posi tracs and whatever which i am not familiar with the workings eliot windows re win31 doublespace in article 4363 hpwala wal hp com chrisa hpwarr hp com chris almy writes doublespace although i do not trust it for my hard disks sounds great for floppies the thouoght of having to mount the disk is anoying but something i can deal with the problem arises when under windows is there a way to mount and unmount while under windows or is this part of the upgrades soon to be available from other vendors chris i cant see why you would not trust it because it is safer than any previous compression programs it integrates into the kernal and makes it nearly impossible to delete windows challenge to microsoft supporters microsoft is the largest software company on the planet yet i cannot think of even one computing concept that they innovated and brought to market before anyone else xerox parc apple osborne next gnu and others have been pioneers and led the way to the future of computing what has microsoft done to be a technological leader i posted this question before but i got nary a reply i make the challenge now to anyone who can come up with something especially microsoft employees i get no response this time i guess it pretty much assures me that there is none which is what i suspect anyway kurt d bollacker duke university medical center kdb sunbar mc duke edu durham nc 27710 baseball re proposed catcher re sub rule the red sox usually have 2 catchers i dont think they have a backup now but they used to use randy kutcher as a backup catcher as well as a middle infielder and outfielder you dont need a good 3rd catcher just a competent one so you can afford to lose a little catching ability and pick a player who can be of use elsewhere on the field john carr jfc athena mit edu medicine re should i be angry at this doctor in article 1993apr21 155714 1 stsci edu mryan stsci edu writes am i justified in being pissed off at this doctor last saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife i took him to a local urgent and general care clinic at 5 50 pm the story deleted be bothered my son did get three stitches at the emergency room im still trying to find out who is in charge of that clinic so i can write them a letter we will certainly never set foot in that clinic again the people in charge already know what kind of care they are providing and they dont give a rats ass about your repeat business you are much more likely to do some good writing to local newspapers and broadcast news shows if you do keep the letter short and to the point so they dont discard it out of hand and emphasize exactly what you are upset about its possible that the local health department can help you complain to someone official but really that clinic exists for the sole purpose of generating walk in income through advertising and nothing you can do will change them all you can hope for is to help someone else avoid them im glad it sounds like your son did ok anyway my opinion only of course steve cars male female mystery re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article 1993apr1 191826 28921 iscnvx lmsc lockheed com sharen iscnvx lmsc lockheed com sharen a rund writes apparently youre not a woman my husband hates the auto door locks features but forgets that besides families with children a woman feels safer in a car that locks easily in addition to watching around checking out if anyones near me when i get to my car never park in a secluded spot etc have my keys ready to open the door so im not fumbling in my purse looking for them this has me thinking is there a biological reason why women cant put their keys in their pants pockets like men do i have two pockets on the back of each of my pants i put my keys in one and wallent in another many of the pockets even have a botton on them so i can close them securely everything is that much simpler for me why cant women do the same is is biological ie not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and a wallet or is it the way they are raised by the parents medicine re migraines and estrogen in article 3fb51b6w165w jupiter spk wa us pwageman jupiter spk wa us peggy wageman writes i read that hormonal fluctuations can contribute to migraines could taking supplemental estrogen ert cause migraines any information im not sure it is the fluctuation so much as the estrogen level taking premarin can certainly cause migraines in some women gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon baseball re early bbddd returns in article 1993apr16 073051 9160 news cs brandeis edu st902415 pip cc brandeis edu adam levin writes just curious if anyone has started to standout early in the season in the bb ddd this year a concerned fan of the bb ddd i am hoping to produce the first update of the bb ddd this week please send info about the most significant longest most critical etc home run that you have seen yet this season vince cars lois chevrolet i was whatching the history of the indy 500 the other day and early in the film around the 10 20s a name lois chevrolet came out of the blue i wanted to know if he is the chevrolet founder or mearly a driver whos name was called the same as the other guys koni guns re 2nd amendment dead good in article 1993apr18 001319 2340 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes yea there are millions of cases where yoy say that firearms deter criminals alas this is not provable not provable its about as provable as the number of votes vast for bill clinton in the last election if you accept the information available you can prove one way or the other if you refuse to accept it nothing is provable i think that that there are actually few cases where this is so fine support your assertation but you havent supported any assertations just yet the national crime survey that secret arm of the nra estimates between 40 000 and 50 000 with gun self defenses from assaults and is considered to considerably under report when broken down by weapon there is no form of self defense including dowing nothing which is more effective at avoiding injury or death the bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary opponents those who posessa a cool jakcet you want those who would argue with you about a parking space those who would take your woman in short trivial and worthless causes ok support this assertation hell support one too much of this has ruined you cause there is no recovery thats nice in the near future federal martials will come for your arms thats nice too the 2nd amendment is dead accept this find another way why on earth should we if youre correct weve nothing to lose by continuing to argue against it and everything to gain david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al religion re is it good that jesus died brian ceccarelli presents us with the fallacy of false dichotomy in stating that we must accept every thing in the books attributed to peter or we must discount every other book of antiquity 1 peter died two millenia ago the original letters he wrote have long since decayed into dust if he were alive today and i could do you question the existence of alexander the great tilgrath pilisar iii nero caligula josephus cyrus the great artexerxes their documents have decayed to dust too brian why another excuse mr ceccarelli you seem to be stating that we must accept accept everything written in every historical document somehow i doubt do that yourself that thus since i doubt you accept everything written in every historical document i would ask how you can thereby objectively justify complete faith in the words of the books attributed to peter i shall now give an example of a document from antiquity which i am sure you reject it dates from the time of ramses ii this was first presented here by matthew wiener these inscriptions were carved soon after a battle and were carved with the pharoahs specific approval so we have true originals rather than mere copies this account records the the battle of kadesh circa 1285 bc which occurred on the river orontes about 100 miles south of aleppo the egyptians won this battle with the hittites and ramses had his victory inscribed all over the place a few of of these inscriptions have survived in near perfect form it is a record of how the pharoah pretty much single handedly defeated the hittites after being separated from his troops note that the egyptian wavers back and forth between first and third person the following is from miriam lichtheim s ancient egyptian literature volume ii my majesty caused the forces of the foes from hitti to fall on their faces one upon the other as crocodiles fall into the water of the orontes i was after them like a griffin i attacked all the countries i alone for my infantry and my chariotry had deserted me not one of them stood looking back as i live as ra loves me as my father atum favors me everything that my majesty has told i did it in truth in the presence of my infantry and my chariotry note this paragraph records not only ramses divine word but also that there were thousands of witnesses to the event now from the heart of battle then his majesty drove at a gallop and charged the forces of the foe from hitti being alone by himself none other with him his majesty proceeded to look about him and found 2500 chariots ringing him on his way out no officer was with me no charioteer no soldier of the army no shield bearer my infantry my chariotry yielded before them not one of them stood firm to fight with them his majesty spoke what is this father amun is it right for a father to ignore his son are my deeds a matter for you to ignore do i not walk and stand at your word i have not neglected an order you gave too great is he the great lord of egypt to allow aliens to step on his path what are these asiatics to you o amun the wretches ignorant of god have i not made for you many great monuments i call to you my father amun i am among a host of strangers all countries are arrayed against me i am alone theres none with me the labors of many people are nothing amun is more helpful than they i came here by the command of your mouth o amun i have not transgressed your command now though i prayed in a distant land my voice resounded in southern thebes i found amun came when i called to him he gave me his hand and i rejoiced he called from behind as if near by forward i am with you i your father my hand is with you i prevail over a hundred thousand men i am lord of victory lover of valor i found my heart stout my breast in joy all i did succeeded i was like mont i slaughtered among them at my will not one looked behind him not one turned around whoever fell down did not rise one called out to the other saying no man is he who is among us it is seth great of strength baal in person not deeds of man are these his doings they are of one who is unique who fights a hundred thousand without soldiers and chariots come quick flee before him to seek life and breathe air for he who attempts to get close to him his hands all his limbs grow limp one cannot hold either bow or spears when one sees him come racing along my majesty hunted them like a griffin i slaughtered among them unceasingly so you see brian we have a few original manuscripts recording the miraculous battle between the ramses and the hittites do you reject them as being completely true i suspect you do and if so then do you also in your own words question the existence of alexander the great tilgrath pilisar iii nero caligula josephus cyrus the great artexerxes do you also thereby question all their documents that s the problem with your all or nothing approach many ancient people used to mix a bit of fancy with their facts so for you to say that we must either accept all of peter and the rest of the new testament or accept no records of antiquity at all forces you thereby to accept the verity of documents you probably do not find completely credible as to your other argument that so many people have testified to jesus that he must be true are you going to just pass off all this testimony as fictiousness are you going to call three thousand years worth of testimony from shepherds to irs agents to royal officials to kings to computer programmers fiction with a scoff of your keyboard with near complete ignorance of the testimonies are you going to say that that is all complete hooey would that not be the most audacious display of arrogance do you actually think you know better than king solomon king david or even abraham lincoln i have three points first this is argumentum ad populum ie appeal to popular opinion you cannot vote on truth for instance do the millions of hindus past and present who testify to the reality of brahma constitute actual evidence for the existence of brahma how would you answer your own question in regards to the testimony of hindus with a scoff of your keyboard with near complete ignorance of the testimonies are you going to say that that is all complete hooey if you do so scoff then how do you objectively justify your own special pleading second it is not at all clear that king solomon or king david testified to jesus you can claim it to be clear but that does not make it true third it is quite arguable that abraham lincoln was not christian and that he had both a public and a private view of christianity in fact there was much discussion about it in his day yes he was publically accused of being a deist oh my i am presently collecting a faq for lincoln as ive previously done for tyre jefferson and etc later dave butler my earlier views of the unsoundness of the christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and i see no reason for thinking i shall ever change them abraham lincoln to judge j s wakefield after the death of willie lincoln guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article c5rpoj ijv news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set by cult members correction the fbi says that two of the nine who escaped said the fire was deliberately set by cult members since the press was kept miles away we have absolutely no independent verification of any of the governments claims in this matter kevin s van horn is your religion batf approved vanhorn bert cs byu edu guns re nature of the waco gas in article 1r6170inndlu cronkite central sun com dbernard clesun central sun com writes just heard on the network radio news a spokesman from the army saying that the type of cs gas used in waco had been banned from military use its use is also banned by a the reason given was that the use causes extreme nausea blindness disorientation total irrationality raging paranoia children would be all the more susceptible and show the results all the earlier if we are indeed talking about cs then this is not quite accurate cs is just tear gas albeit the worst kind it isnt a nausea gas and doesnt have direct cns effects however its quite bad much worse than cn gas i was briefly exposed to it once during an engagement in berkeley circa 1968 8 and its not the kind of thing you forget it seems to be moisture activated it not only made my eyes sting and water but attacked my breathing passages and lungs breathing was painful and my entire face felt as if it was on fire these effects persisted for hours after exposure and i was coughing for days afterwards if i was exposed to a dense concentration of this stuff in a closed space for several hours i doubt whether i could find the exit indeed i cant imagine living through it die welt ist alles was zerfall ist peter cash apologies to ludwig wittgenstein cash convex com guns re andy how do we stop people with a gun in article 1993apr7 141930 29582 freenet carleton ca ac002 freenet carleton ca nikolaus maack writes come on a gun kills people rather people kill people with guns the sad truth is sometimes that is good or at least better than the alternative but lets ignore guns for defence and or crime and look at gun accidents ok there are about 1400 fatal firearm accidents per year 1 and the number has been in decline since early this century 2 most of these accidents involve rifles or shot guns not handguns but seriously a gun is designed to fire a bullet this is not so you can shoot cardboard cut outs down at the range in fact there are both guns and bullets designed specifically for that the idea that my ruger mark ii bull barrel a semi auto 0 22 caliber handgun was designed to kill or hurt people even for self defense would im sure come as a surprise to its designer it certainly isnt why i have it it certainly would hurt someone if you shot them with it and might even kill them but it is simply wrong to say it was designed to kill people this is not designed to act as a tool for home defence where you show someone that you have a gun and they go gee perhaps i should leave in fact that is what happens most of the time most self defensive uses of firearms dont involve firing any shots most criminals would prefer not to be shot and will go to some effort not to be including doing what you say when you point a gun at them if you were called on to design a tool that could be easily carried to immediately stop someone attacking you what would it be a handgun is about the best anyone has come up with and experience shows it does work the best 3 no you see the gun was designed to fire that little bullet into a human body and hurt them not a tough concept to swallow for most certainly no one argues that handguns of the type we are discussing arent deadly weapons however it simply isnt true to say that all of them were designed to kill people moreover what exactly is wrong with having deadly weapons there are times when it is perfectly legitimate to use deadly force e g in self defense i consider it not just my right but my duty to defend myself and my family and that includes having and knowing how to use the tools to do that the strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government t jefferson i think what jefferson said is still true and the trouble with having such an item is often the little bullet goes off into the wrong fleshy target not very often compared to other use 3 or else uncle frank gets pissed and blows away his wife this isnt that common either at least when compared to other uses it is very rare that a non violent person will suddenly get pissed and kill someone gun or not in most cases the people who murder have long histories of violence if you have good reason to believe that these people wouldnt kill if they didnt have a gun feel free to present it having a thing specificly designed to kill means it is much easier to kill things right right but there are times when killing things is called for i hope i never have to shoot a person but ive had to kill a number of animals from rodents to cows and when i do i dont want them to suffer any more than is necessary i prefer they die instantly but failing that i want them to drop so i can quickly finish them with the next shot and failing that i dont want them to go fast or far i try to choose the best weapon and ammunition i have to try to achieve that goal for the size of animal im after but it doesnt always work as i plan without belaboring the point people who are overly impressed with the killing or shopping power of guns particularly handguns havent used them much for that purpose 1 accidental deaths in 1988 48700 deaths by auto 11300 deaths by fall 5300 deaths by drowning 4800 deaths by fire 4400 deaths by poison 3200 deaths by food 1400 deaths by firearm source statistics department national safety council accidents facts 1988 edition national safety council 444 n michigan avenue chicago il 606111 800 621 7619 2 rkba 002 declining trend of accidental deaths by firearms version 1 1 last changed on 90 04 23 at 22 28 19 description the accidental deaths by firearm per capita has been declining steadily for almost sixty years in 1932 the accidental deaths by firearm per 1 000 000 people was 24 03 in 1987 it was 5 74 the decline has been steady consistent and a fairly straight line when plotted at the rate of the last sixty years it will reach zero sometime around 2025 ad conclusion firearms have been a declining factor in accidental deaths for over sixty years despite rising per capita gun ownership 1 year 2 population 3 accidental deaths 4 accidental deaths per 1 000 000 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1932 124 840 000 3 000 24 03 1961 183 691 000 2 204 12 00 1933 125 579 000 3 014 24 00 1962 186 538 000 2 092 11 21 1934 126 374 000 3 033 24 00 1963 189 242 000 2 263 11 96 1935 127 250 000 2 799 22 00 1964 191 889 000 2 275 11 86 1936 128 053 000 2 817 22 00 1965 194 303 000 2 344 12 06 1937 128 825 000 2 576 20 00 1966 196 560 000 2 558 13 01 1938 129 825 000 2 726 21 00 1967 198 712 000 2 896 14 57 1939 130 880 000 2 618 20 00 1968 200 706 000 2 394 11 93 1940 132 122 000 2 375 17 98 1969 202 677 000 2 309 11 39 1941 133 402 000 2 396 17 96 1970 204 879 000 2 406 11 74 1942 134 860 000 2 678 19 86 1971 207 661 000 2 360 11 36 1943 136 739 000 2 282 16 69 1972 209 896 000 2 442 11 63 1944 138 397 000 2 392 17 28 1973 211 909 000 2 618 12 35 1945 139 928 000 2 385 17 04 1974 213 854 000 2 613 12 22 1946 141 389 000 2 801 19 81 1975 215 854 000 2 380 11 03 1947 144 126 000 2 439 16 92 1976 218 035 000 2 059 9 44 1948 146 631 000 2 191 14 94 1977 220 239 000 1 982 9 00 1949 149 188 000 2 330 15 62 1978 222 585 000 1 806 8 11 1950 151 684 000 2 174 14 33 1979 225 055 000 2 004 8 90 1951 154 287 000 2 247 14 56 1980 227 757 000 1 955 8 58 1952 156 954 000 2 210 14 08 1981 230 138 000 1 871 8 13 1953 159 565 000 2 277 14 27 1982 232 520 000 1 756 7 55 1954 162 391 000 2 271 13 98 1983 234 799 000 1 695 7 22 1955 165 275 000 2 120 12 83 1984 237 001 000 1 668 7 04 1956 168 221 000 2 202 13 09 1985 239 279 000 1 649 6 89 1957 171 274 000 2 369 13 83 1986 241 613 000 1 600 6 62 1958 174 141 000 2 172 12 47 1987 243 915 000 1 400 5 74 1959 177 073 000 2 258 12 75 1960 180 671 000 2 334 12 92 sources u s bureau of the census historical statistics of the united states colonial times to 1970 bicentennial edition part 2 washington dc 1975 u s bureau of the census statistical abstract of the united states 1982 83 103th edition washington dc 1982 sic u s bureau of the census statistical abstract of the united states 1989 109th edition washington dc 1989 3 kleck gary guns and self defense crime control through the use of force in the private sector social problems 35 1988 4 pp 7 9 orstcs opac bug stevef i am the nra steven r fordyce uunet sequent ether stevef the only fair tax is no tax baseball re yankee fears how can anyone pick the worst yankee pitcher in the past 12 years there have been so many does the name steve you mean i should try and throw the ball to the catcher trout jonathan alboum uva medicine re selective placebo ron roth recommends once you have your hypoglycemia confirmed through the proper channels you might consider ther following diet omitted 1 ron what do you consider to be proper channels this sounds suspiciously like a blood chemistry glucose tolerance and the like suddenly chemistry exists you know perfectly well that this person can be saved needless trouble and expense with simple muscle testing and hair analysis to diagnose no confirm any aberrant physiology but then again maybe thats what you meantby proper channels 2 were you able to understand dick kings post that 90 of diseases is not thesame thing as 90 of patients which was a reply to your inability to critically evaluate the statistic you cited from the new england journal of medicine couldyou figure out what is implied by the remark of course mds are ethically bound to not knowingly dispense placebos 3 ron have you ever thought about why you never post in misc health alterna tive and insist instead upon insinuating your untrained non medical often delusional notions of health and disease into this forum i suspect from your apparent anger toward mds and heteropathic medicine that there may be an underlying father problem of course i can confirm this by surrogate muscle testing one of my patients while they ponder my theory to see if one of their previously weak indicator muscles strengthens or do you have reservations about my unique methods of diagnosis oh i forgot what you said in an earlier post neither am i concerned of whether or not my study designs meet your or anyone elses criteria of acceptance john badanes dc ca romdas uclink berkeley edu ideas medicine re pregnency without sex in 4974 master cna tek com mikeq freddy cna tek com mike quigley writes in article i write when i was a school boy my biology teacher told us of an incident in which a couple were very passionate without actually having sexual intercourse somehow the girl became pregnent as sperm cells made their way to her through the clothes via persperation was my biology teacher misinforming us or do such incidents actually occur ohboy here we go again and one wonders why the american education system is in such abysmal shape actually this was a school in england this same biology teacher also told me that the reason that stars twinkle is that the small spot of light on the retina sometimes falls between the light recepive cells so his info was suspect from the start stephen baseball re pleasant yankee surprises in article 1993apr15 231903 4045 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article 1993apr15 200629 7200 alleg edu luriem alleg edu michael lurie the liberalizer writes id be willing to make two wagers 1 snow doesnt win roy 2 mattingly is out of baseball within five years im skeptical of the first because i dont think snow is that good a player and he is on a losing team i dont have a history handy but i dont recall that the preponderance of roys come from winning teams in fact i think team performance is generally irrelevant as almost always the most deserving candidate wins am i wrong and he is not necessarily on a losing team while the angels staff is still very weak their everyday lineup is doing quite well thank you snow is playing great salmon is learning to make the adjustments easley appears fine but even if hes not flora is ready to come up between gonzales and gruber theyll manage the hot corner polonia and curtis are steady and heady even myers and orton are contributing personally i think they can finish over 500 which makes them a winning team the beastmaster im skeptical of the second because of his back mattingly is 32 this year and how many players play until they are 40 not too many and most of them didnt have chronic back problems when they were 32 could be wrong on either or both but i think thats the smart way to bet cheers valentine mark singer mss netcom com windows winqvt net v3 4 an earlier article in this newsgroup made reference to winqvt net version 3 4 realy where i tried archie with no luck its probably just a typo but i sure would like to get one if its real as i too have a printer problem in winqvt david a fuess dir center for eecs phone 510 423 2436 fax 510 422 9343 cars re best radar detector in article 1993apr10 013011 808 lrc edu burnside br lrc edu writes in article 1993apr6 225034 7184 opencon com giand opencon com deepak s gia nchandani writes mubashir cheema dont buy one that is the best way to avoid tickets i used to have one and whenever a cop would pull me over see the thing give me a ticket one time my sister was driving and had it in the glove compartment it was broken and she got a ticket in 1987 i had received 4 tickets because of it one for my sister so a total of five that was five years ago now i dont have one and have not gotten a ticket my driving habits have not changed drastically only two days ago i was going 77 mph on highway with 55 mph limit cop saw me i break a little nothing happened i was driving a mini van with my family in it otherwise i have cutlass supreme which i do 70 most of the times on the highway so basically my opnion is not to get one if you do get pulled over the cop will hear your excuse but if you have a radar detecter he will not again this has been my experienc just get a remote model that is not visible to the cop but be sure to get front and rear sensors you can also just put the detector off to the side on the dash so the cop doesnt see it right away valentine is the best detector by far as stated by car and driver and even tells you what direction the radar is coming from it also gives the amount of threats it is picking up so if you go through the same place everyday and it always goes off there you can glance at the number of threats the valentine is detecting to see if it is a genuine cop its about 300 and you can only get it factory direct one problem rob fusi rwf2 lehigh edu medicine re menangitis question in article c4nzn6 mzx crdnns crd ge com brooksby brigham nosubdomain nodomain glen w brooksby writes this past weekend a friend of mine lost his 13 month old daughter in a matter of hours to a form of menangitis the person informing me called it nicereal meningicocis sp in retrospect the disease struck her probably sometime on friday evening and she passed away about 2 30pm on saturday the symptoms seemed to be a rash that started small and then began progressing rapidly she began turning blue eventually which was the tip off that this was serious but by that time it was too late this is all second hand info my question is is this an unusual form of menangitis how is it transmitted how does it work ie how does it kill so quickly no the neiseria meningococcus is one of the most common forms of meningitis its the one that sometimes sweeps schools or boot camp it is contagious and kills by attacking the covering of the brain causing the blood vessels to thrombose and the brain to swell up it is very treatable if caught in time there isnt much time however the rash is the tip off infants are very susceptible to dying from bacterial meningitis any infant with a fever who becomes stiff or lethargic needs to be rushed to a hospital where a spinal tap will show if they have meningitis seizures can also occur immediate family members were told to take some kind of medication to prevent them from being carriers yet they didnt have any concerns about my wife and i coming to visit them it can live in the throat of carriers dont worry you wont get it from them especially if they took the medication gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon baseball re oakland oaks memorabilia there is ebbets field flannels in seattle which makes lots of minor and negro league jackets and jerseys these things are real spendy around 200 for a jersey but they are very authentic in look and nicely made paul long live steve bilko and the pcl la angels their phone number is 1 800 377 9777 the last catalog shows three oaks jerseys 36 home 42 home 39 home theyre each 165 00 all their merchandise is handmade and is an authentic replica i own a couple and they are excellent they also have wool caps and jackets you should call to get on their mailing list even if you cant afford their prices anton cars re autos dealer in article 1993apr22 143529 20494 porthos cc bellcore com tvl prefect cc bellcore com lam thanh writes i got a price quote of 18 875 00 for a camry v6 w abs from a toyota dealer in eatontown i came back to that dealer in two weeks to sign a purchase agreement then i was told that the salesperson made an error in pricing i walked out of that dealer i wonder if this kind of practice is common with toyota dealers is the price quote written on the salespersons business card binding i would appricate any comments i had a similar experience we had a written quote which had been mailed to us from the salesman at one of these no haggle toyota dealers for a camry xle w abs leather etc the price seemed fair but when we went in to take them up on their offer they discovered that certain extra cost items hadnt been included in their original written quote it would have totaled an extra 1100 and in spite of the fact that we had a written quote they said there was nothing they could do bottom line quotes from salemen are worthless and it appears to me that the toyota dealers think theyve got such a superior auto that they dont have to deal we walked went out and bought a new lh car eagle vision tsi and i dont regret it one bit thad mcculloch mcculloc mail lds loral com medicine re morbus meniere is there a real remedy in article lindaec4jglk fxm netcom com lindae netcom com writes my biggest resentment is the doctor who makes it seem like most people with dizziness can be cured thats definitely not the case in most cases like i said above it is a long tedious process that may or may not end up in a partial cure be sure to say chronic dizziness not just dizziness most patients with acute or subacute dizziness will get better the vertiginous spells of menieres will also eventually go away however the patient is left with a deaf ear to anyone suffering with vertigo dizziness or any variation thereof my best advice to you as a fellow sufferer is this just keep searching dont let the doctors tell you theres nothing that can be done do your own research and let your this may have helped you but im not sure it is good general advice the odds that you are going to find some miracle with your own research that is secret or hidden from general knowledge for this or any other disease are slim when good answers to these problems are found it is usually in all the newspapers until then spending a great deal of time and energy on the medical problem may divert that energy from more productive things in life a limited amount should be spent to assure yourself that your doctor gave you the correct story but after it becomes clear that you are dealing with a problem for which medicine has no good solution perhaps the best strategy is to join the support group and keep abreast of new findings but not to make a career out of it gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr22 211005 21578 scorch apana org au bill scorch apana org au bill dowding writes krillean photography involves taking pictures of minute decapods resident in the seas surrounding the antarctic or pictures taken by them perhaps in article 1993apr26 120417 22328 linus mitre org gpivar maestro mitre org greg pivarnik writes no flame intended but youre way way off base in simple terms kirilian photography registers the electromagnetical fields around objects in simple it takes pictures of your aura greg no flame intended but you have no discernible sense of humor what bill wrote was intended to be funny its called a joke greg look into it besides kirilian photography is actually photography of my friends two year old son kiril perhaps you meant kirlian mark meyer mmeyer dseg ti com texas instruments inc plano tx every day jerry junkins is grateful that i dont speak for ti you have triggered primary defense mechanism blast affirmative windows terminal software please reply via email when i use the terminal software for windows such as terminal exe or crossttalk it doesnt use the whole window i mean when the softwares window size is max it still scrolls around the 2 3 of window it does not use whole window i set stty rows 30 but still the same scrolls at 2 3 from the top of the windows could anyone tell me how to setup these software to use whole window thanks in advance baseball re zane rescue us from simmons mamatha devineni ratnam mr47 andrew cmu edu writes so far simmons looks like a total idiot whatever you say i think its just 12 games into the season myself so im going to wait a bit before calling names 2 i am sure simmons was ready to say i told you so after otto had an impressive win last week now ottos latest debacle has restored simmons reputation now he looks like he is back in his 92 form when he had the als highest era among starters four our sake not teds sake i hope he pitches with a 3 5 era for the rest of the season yeah right i expect that dave otto will be a really bad pitcher and i have no idea why simmons ever wanted him on the other hand i expect him to release otto if he doesnt turn things around pretty fast btw ottos game score for that 0 ip stinker was only 22 which points out a problem with the method since ottos performance was infinitely bad and excruciatingly prolonged 3 tomlin and merced are a bit disappointing they are still doing decently but considering the considerable amount of talent and maturity they have shown their first seasons they seem to have actually gotten a little bit worse i think merceds rookie year was a bit flukey but arent you willing to give him some more at bats and tomlin a few more starts before acting so gloomy 4 walk well he seems to be on the losing end tonight but i still think that walk desrved his contract no he didnt walk is a time bomb he has no stuff whatsoever and when the league finally realizes this it wont be pretty at all 8 the rookie batters well young has surprised me a bit with his instant impact other than that their excellent performance hasnt been too much of a surprise i think we should thank doughty for that dont be so fast doughty is the guy who signed steve buechele which was a move that threatened to bury kevin young in the minors meanwhile im not sure whether doughty or simmons signed martin as a six year free agent before the 1992 season 9 rookie pitchers worse than expected especially cooke twice through the rotation and youve given up yikes 10 slaught how come he wasnt given a contract extension last year now his value has increased immensely but so has his age at least in baseball terms the useful half life of a 34 year old injury prone catcher cant be much longer than a year 11 lonnie smith well eric davis was signed for a comparable amount but he wanted to be a dodger and felt he had something to prove after his disastrous 1992 i dont think there was any chance for the bucs to sign him lets see eric can hit better he can run better he can field better now why didnt the pirates go after eric davis an injured davis is better than a healthy lonnie smith he certainly wasnt last year even if lonnnie smith gets some big hits this year he wont be an asset he has looked terrible on the bases and in the field hey thats the skates smith package deal anybody who acquires lonnie for his defense or base running particularly at this stage is a real weirdo 12 management big big zero sauer has yet to make a forceful argument in favor of revenue sharing he seems more concerned about pleasing that idiot danforth by preparing the team for a move to tampa bay if thats the goal of the team ownership than i dont see why sauer gets a zero for making his boss happy i dont know what he has or hasnt said about revenue sharing so i cant comment there 13 alex cole fiasco stuff deleted ironically the biggest accomplishment of simmons tenure was getting alex cole really cheap too bad that he gave him away in the expansion draft its annoying but since leyland seems to have been pushing for them to retain jeff king it was probably unavoidable meanwhile i think bigger accomplishments of simmons tenure were getting some value for john smiley not trading real prospects for veterans down the stretch last year drafting well in 1992 letting the rookies show something in 1993 foley smith and candelaria were acquired to be replacement parts which means that even if fail it hasnt done serious damage to the bucs future 14 compensatory draft picks for bonds forget it the pirates can rant and rave they will not get those picks as of now the issue is still being appealed does this mean that the bucs lost the initial arbitration case i never heard the outcome of this when will the final verdict be in on this now if this doesnt convince anyone that simmons and sauer are idiots nothing else will im not sure who was the idiot in this case so i dont know who to blame it might have been doug danforth after all in fact i seriously suspect it was doug danforth who has shown his willingness to call the shots at exactly those moments when the gun is pointed at his feet btw ive wondered whether my latest posts have been getting off site so if somebody known to impersonate e e cummings can see this would he drop me a short note jking baseball re tribune times in article c5c9ja amb unix amherst edu ddsokol unix amherst edu d daniel sokol writes pjtier01 ulkyvx louisville edu wrote is the chicago tribune baseball coverage any good does the new york times have daily coverage boxscores i dont know about the tribune but the times has daily coverage and boxscores of course they have special emphasis on the yankees and mets beware the original poster looks to be from louisville and chances are louisville gets the edition of the nytimes that is printed in chicago for the midwest this edition has boxscores only on monday and sunday and an extremely skimpy sports section few game summaries mostly just color stories bradley w brock department of mathematics rose hulman institute of technology resist not evil love your enemies brock nextwork rose hulman edu some nazarene carpenter medicine re kidney stones a student told me today that she has been diagnosed with kidney stones a cyst on one kidney and a kidney infection she was upset because her condition had been misdiagnosed since last fall and she has been ill all this time during her most recent doctors appointment at her parents hmo clinic she said that about forty x rays were made of her kidney when she asked why so many x rays were being made she was told by a technician that they need to see the area from different views but she says that about five x rays were made from each angle she couldnt help feeling that something must be wrong with the procedure or something she is a pre med student and feels she could have understood what was happening if someone would have explained when nobody would she got worried also she is told that thre are 300 surgery patients ahead of her and that they cannot do surgery until august or so it is now april she is supposed to rest a lot and drink fluids but she has to go to classes she wonders why they have given her no medicine she plans to call back her doctors office clinic and try to get answers to these questions but i told her i would also write in to sci med and see what i could find out about why there were so many x rays and whether it seems o k to wait in line 3 or more months for surgery for something like this or whether she should be looking elsewhere for her care she does plan to get a second opinion too i will pass info on to her it never hurts to get information from more than one source you can e mail me or post thanks alice baseball jewish broadcasters was jewish baseball players for that matter how many gentleman of the press box have been jewish the only jewish sportscaster that comes to mind is steve williams who had a phillies show on kyw in philadelphia in the 80s mark bernstein eastgate systems inc 134 main street watertown ma 02172 usa voice 800 562 1638 in usa 1 617 924 9044 eastgate world std com compuserve 76146 262 applelink eastgate windows driver for chips technologies video board needed i would like to find a windows 3 x driver for a video board that is based on the chips technologies chipset the actual board is a scorpion framegrabber made by univision it is based on the c t chipset but only barely supports the graphics mode i am hoping that any c t driver could be used in the 640x480x256 mode thanks stephen corbesero systems manager and adjucnt lecturer 19 memorial drive west corbesero eecs lehigh edu eecs dept lehigh university sgc0 lehigh edu bethlehem pa 18015 voice 215 758 5001 fax 215 758 6279 windows re i hate to make a decision in article 1993apr26 030204 27417 gtonwu uz nthu edu tw gtonwu uz nthu edu tw tony g wu writes hi well i really hate to make a decision but recently i have to choose whether stacker 3 0 or dos 6 0 with double space for my poor hd i am using windwos 3 1 and i hope what i choose will live with windows any help will be appreciated forever 23 michael jordan tony g wu gtonwu uz nthu edu tw cae rheology lab nthu tony che nthu edu tw stacker achieves better compression ratio than dos6 yet the latter comes with virus detection memory manager and multiple booting each of them are not so good as the nav qemm or ndos in my opinion but with a package of only 45 its nice if havent yet installed all of those stuffs both certainly work with win31 rensheng horng baseball re yankee thoughts in article 1993apr20 154542 147196 clam com sam steamer clam com sam mandelbaum says yes everyone seems to be in agreement that the yankees are finally moving in the right direction they should finish over 500 this year and maybe even be in the pennent race in august however i would take back a few moves 1 the jim abbott trade bleagh this was a terrific trade snow will certainly be better than mattingly in the future but that theyll be about the same now is a defensible opinion abbott is one of the few truly great pitchers in the game today 2 wade boggs im not sure about this one i think that its good in that a pre 1992 boggs kicks hayes meulens whoevers ass and that a 1992 boggs still isnt all that shabby its bad though that the yankees expect a pre 1992 boggs and will probably get a 1992 boggs however id still play boggs over hayes or bam bam 3 spike owen you have my full agreement here hes not all that much better than velarde and silvestri is just about a lock to be better than him however i do enjoy the fact that spike is not a nickname not that this helps the yankees 4 danny tartabull i strongly disagree id much much rather have a hundred games of tartabull and sixty games of dion james than 162 games of james bob vesterman baseball re jewish baseball players dave kingman is jewish bob comarow eisner decus org windows re window start up position for app how in 1993apr19 143054 17499 ucsu colorado edu hayesj rintintin colorado edu hayes james michael jr writes how do you set up an app to give its window a default start up position and size try sizeit zip from ftp cica indiana edu 129 79 20 84 in the directory ftp pub pc win3 desktop its freeware also noticed there a program called sizer110 zip which from the description looks like it also does what you want hope this helps david white engineer goon fan son of my dad internet davidw auck irl cri nz fax 64 9 443 4737 medicine please help a patient mail newsserv kiae su subject please help dear ladies and gentlemen we should be grateful for any information about address and or e mail address of loma linda hospital approximate position usa california near vaimor town 60 miles from los angelos a patient needs consultation in this clinics before operation with respect igor v sidelnikov quit cars re warning please read in article c5srib 6ah constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article 1993apr19 145238 9561 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu brian j queiser writes anything if he hadnt emptied his gun into the asshole texas its whole other country that reminds me of one of texass ads you hear a guy speaking in french like its a letter home then the french moves to the background and a french accented voice come to the foreground talking about how he went walking on the beach and it felt so much like home that he decided to take his shoes off and the rest of his clothes it ended with please send bail on an rec autos note does anyone carry a gun on them or keep one in their car which is bad idea isnt it if you work in a bad part of town or regularly go through one is this a loaded question i normally have an unloaded colt delta in my glove box with a loaded magazine handy which is perfectly legal in oklahoma for those times that im travelling inter state i keep an unloaded s w 44 magnum revolver in the glove box with a speed loader in my pocket which is legal everywhere under federal law illinois state police be hanged as ive said before this is stricly for defense my insurance will pay to replace my car but i only have one life james carrying a pistol loaded or unloaded in the glove compartment is considered carrying a concealed weapon in colorado and is illegal without a concealed weapons permit unless the law has been changed recently carrying a weapon openly is legal in colorado but concealing it is illegal i read a newspaper account last year where police stopped a car on a traffic infraction and observed a 357 magnum revolver sitting on the seat the driver could not be cited for possessing or carrying the weapon because it was not concealed the article stated that if the gun had been discovered in the glove box it would have been considered a crime ken franklin they say theres a heaven for people who wait ama and some say its better but i say it aint gwrra id rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints dod 0126 the sinners are lots more fun yknow only the good die young guns re gun talk state legislative update in article lairdb 735523285 crash cts com lairdb crash cts com laird p broadfield writes in c5sgg3 bnv cbnews cb att com lvc cbnews cb att com larry cipriani writes as william o douglas noted if a powerful sponsor is lacking individual liberty withers in spite of glowing opinions and resounding constitutional phrases an excellent quote i looked under c and k for kalifornia has the nra given up on us one might well ask if ca gun owners have given up on the nra crpa the national nra doesnt march in and get things passed they provide a convenient label for local activities activists andy baseball re my predictions for 1993 in article 1993apr5 183304 29191 oswego oswego edu iacs3650 oswego oswego edu kevin mundstock writes since everyone else seems to be running wild with predictions ive decided to add my own fuel to the fire they might seem a bit normal but there are a few albeit small surprises al manager of the year buck showalter what makes you think buck will still be in new york at years end with george back keith keller lets go rangers lets go quakers kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs next time you go over my head ill have yours on a platter cmdr benjamin sisko 1993 medicine re accupuncture and aids in article c5t76d 2x6 news cso uiuc edu euclid mrcnext cso uiuc edu euclid k writes aliceb tea4two eng sun com alice taylor writes a friend of mine is seeing an acupuncturist and wants to know if there is any danger of getting aids from the needles ask the practitioner whether he uses the pre sterilized disposable needles or if he reuses needles sterilizing them between use in the former case theres no conceivable way to get aids from the needles in the latter case its highly unlikely though many practitioners use the disposable variety anyway it is illegal to perform acupuncture with unsterilized needles no licensed practitioner would dare do this also there is not a single documented case of transmission of aids via acupuncture needles i wouldnt worry about it robert greenstein what the fool cannot learn he laughs at thinking green srilanka island com that by his laughter he shows superiority instead of latent idiocy m corelli baseball re lame dumb and useless question it depends if in the judgment of the umpire the batter made no attempt to avoid getting hit the batter is awarded first for a base on balls if the umpire rules he did try to get out of the way hes awarded first because of a hit batsman ryan robbins penobscot hall university of maine io20456 maine maine edu baseball lets play the name game how about changing team names post your choices here ill start how about the baltimore baseblazers san francisco quakes shawn go rangers baseball re braves pitching updatedir in article 1993apr14 200649 12578 pts mot com ep502dn pts mot com dave naehring x2079 p7630 writes in article 2482 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes every single piece of evidence we can find points to major league baseball being 50 offense 50 defense a run scored is just as important as a run prevented this certainly passes the common sense test for me but is there any statistical evidence to say what percent of defense is pitching and what percent is fielding id really like to know btw sherri thanks for the da data i find it fascinating of course a run scored is just as important as a run prevented just as a penny saved is a penny earned enough with the cliches my point is that if the braves starters are able to live up to their potential they wont need much offensive support i realize this is a big if this staff leaves the 92 bosox in the dust there is no legitimate comparison two cy young winners and three other pitchers that most any team in the league would kill to have as their first or second starter it seems to me that when quality pitchers take the mound the other teams score less runs the team that scores the most runs wins this puts the team with the better pitching at the advantage providing they can stop the opposing team from scoring runs a low scoring game would clearly benefit the braves they should have many low scoring games due to their excellent pitching and below average hitting on the flip side if you had a starting lineup of great offensive players i would be arguing that this team would not need great pitchers they would have an advantage because they could simply outscore their opponent the name of the games is to win even ray knight knows that you do this by putting more runs up on the scoreboard all im trying to say is that if you assemble the quality pitchers like the braves have the offense doesnt need to be as strong sam dave sherri nichols snichols adobe com guns re insane gun toting wackos unite anyone who worries about his own gun should not have one if you carry any pistol with a empty chamber and safety the chances of it going off are about zero unless you sit it on top of a lite stove for a couple of minutes or put it in a fire what doesnt kill us makes us stronger spoken by many a t hikers kilo delta four zulu papa uniform kd4zpu 146 82 cars manual xmission advice needed i have manual transmission 5 speed it difficult to engage gear does xmission oil change improve this situation what do you think about the most favorable xmission oil change period youjip baseball re game length was re braves update in article 21apr93 19584618 vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu writes ecaxron ariel lerc nasa gov ron graham writes i think that everything else being equal its not too much to ask that if a weeknight game can be shortened by half an hour by cutting out warmup pitches dawdling outside the batters box commercial time outs and that sort of thing im not asking for too much how do you know they can be shortened by half an hour has anybody done a study to determine how much time is actually wasted say in these as games oh probably ms nichols has given the average game times and average runs scored for 1983 and 1992 a very nice piece of information ms nichols who knows she may be listening and not have me in her kill file after all those numbers indicate somewhere in the neighborhood of half a run less being scored per game and the games taking 15 minutes longer something is being done now that wasnt done ten years ago which is extending the games by 15 minutes ms nichols thinks its more pitches given the increasing specialization of pitchers it wouldnt surprise me if its not simply more pitches though i dont think its unreasonable to think that something can be done to get ten of those minutes back then i get a couple more from shortening the warmup time for a relief pitcher after he comes in and a couple more still from enforcing existing rules which have been stated in other posts in this thread and other related ones the problem is who decides whether that time is wasted you dont seem to think it is at all right now i think it is although i have heard one case favoring giving the reliever all the warmups he thinks he needs the difference in mounds between the field and pen but who knows if the rules get changed maybe something i didnt foresee will happen to change my mind but you can bet a lot of minds would fail to foresee the same thing or else nothing will be changed rg i can play me better than anyone theres only one of me barry bonds on playing himself in two movies baseball wounded redbirds does anyone know the status of jeffries or arocha medicine re could this be a migraine in article 20773 3049 uupcb factory com jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein writes headaches that seriously interfere with activities of daily living affect about 15 of the population doesnt that sound like something a primary care physician should know something about i tend to agree with hmo administrators family physicians should learn the basics of headache management absolutely unfortunately most of them have had 3 weeks of neurology in medical school and 1 month maybe in their residency most of that is done in the hospital where migraines rarely are seen where are they supposed to learn those who are diligent and read do learn but most dont unfortunately sometimes i wonder what tension type headaches have to do with neurology anyway we are the only ones sometimes who have enough interest in headaches to spend the time to get enough history to diagnose them too often the primary care physician hears headache and loses interest in anything but giving the patient analgesics and getting them out of the office so they can get on to something more interesting i am excepting migraine which is arguably neurologic headaches i hope you meant inarguably gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon medicine re roberts biological alchemy robert im so glad that you posted your biological alchemy discussion ive been compared to the famous robert mcelwaine by some readers of sci med i didnt know how to respond since i had not seen one of your posts just like i havent read the yeast connection let me just start by stating that the authors of the cold fusion papers of recent years are now in scientific exile i believe that one has actually left the country scientific fraud is rare im still not sure that if a review of the research notes of the cold fusion scientists actually proved fraud or just very shoddy experimentation your sources do not seem to be research articles they are more like lay texts designed to pique human interest in a subject area just like the food combining and life extension texts robert i try to keep an open mind but some things i just cant buy one is taking sod orally to prevent oxidative damage in the body your experiment if conducted by readers of this news group would prove that you are right more ash after seed sprouting than before unless you use a muffle furnance and obtain a very high temperature above 600 degrees i believe you will get organic residue in the ash even the residue in commercial incinerators contains organic residue i remember doing this kind of experiment in my organic chemistry couurse in college but i couldnt find a temperature for mineral ash formation so im really guessing at 600 degrees f it may actually be much higher the point is that no one in their home could ever get a high enough temperature to produce only a mineral ash they also could not measure the minerals so they could only weigh the ash and find out that you appear to be correct chemical reactions abound in our body in our atmosphere in our water and in our soil are these fusion reactions yes many of them do involve fusing oxygen nitrogen and sulfur to both organics and inorganics do we really have the transformation of silicone to calcium if carbon is fused with silicon not in my book robert silicon is the most abundant mineral on our planet ive seen speculation that man could have evolved to be a silicon based rather than a carbon based life form i like reading science fiction as many people do but i know enough about biochemistry and nutrition to be able in most cases to separate the fiction from the fact silicon may be one of the trace elements that turns out to be essential in humans we have several grams of the stuff in our body whats it doing there only the lord knows right now but i will tell you what i do know about silicon and why as you state it helps bone healing and it is not because silicon is transformed into calcium almost all of the silicon in the human body is found in the connective tissue collagen and elastin there have been studies published which show that the very high silicon content in elastin may be an important protective factor against atherosclerosis the higher the silicon content in elastin the more resistant the elastin is to a an age related loss of elasticity which may play a role in the increase in blood pressure that is often seen as part of the ageing process in humans for bone fracture healing the first step is a collagen matrix into which calcium and phosphate are pumped by osteoblasts a high level of silicon in the diet seems to speed up this matrix formation this first step in the bone healing process seems to be the hardest for some people to get going electriacl currents have been used in an attempt to get the matrix forming cells oriented in the right direction so that the matrix can be formed in the gap or gaps between the ends of the broken bone a vitamin c deficiency by slowing collagen formation as well as causing the prodcution of defective collagen does slow down both bone and wound healing zinc is also another big player in bone and wound healing and so is silicon in an undetermined role that most likely involes matrix formation and not transformation of silicon to calcium for you to take this bone healing observation and use it as proof that silicon is transformed into calcium is an interesting little trick but robert i have the same problem myself when i read the lay press and yes even some scientific papers is the explanation reasonable without a very good science knowledge base you and most readers of this news group are flying blind you have to take it on faith because you dont know any better if the explanation seems to make sense to me based on my knowledge base im inclined to consider it this usually means trying to find other sources that come to the same conclusion if the idea like a candida bloom seems to make sense to me i tend to pursue it as long as any advice that im going to give isnt going to really mess somebody up if this makes us kindred souls robert then i guess ill have to live with that label for the physicians who have decided to read my response to roberts interesting post i hope that you saw the segment on the pediatric neurosurgeon last night on u s tv i cant remember the network or his name like many nights i was on my computer and my wife was watching tv in our den where i have my computer setup this neurosurgeon takes kids with brain tumors that everyone else has given up on and he uses unconventional treatments his own words he says that he has a 70 success rate the one case that i heard him discussing would normally use radiation conventional treatment he was going to go in and cut you guys complain about the cost of the anti fungals what do you think the cost difference between radiation treatment and surgery is guys im going to ask you guys one more time why blast a physician who takes the chronic sinus sufferer like jon and the chronic gi sufferer like elaine and tries to help them using unconventional treatments treatments which do not result in death like those that the neurosurgeon uses is it because candida blooms are not life threatening while brain tumors are how about quality of life guys may the candida demon never cross your sinus cavity or gut if it does you may feel differently about the issue marty b cars re dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading need help in article 1qvrnpinnnid shelley u washington edu yongje hardy u washington edu yong je lim writes subject dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading need help here is a story i bought a car about two weeks ago i finally can get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence history of the car in between 91 and 92 the instrument pannel of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset to zero therefore the true meter reading is the reading before replacement plus current mileage that shows 35000 mile difference comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from the dealer never told me anything about that important story i hope that i can return the car with full refund do u think this is possible does anyone have similar experiences any comments will be appreciated thanks something that happened in south africa about a year ago a dealer sold a mercedes with an odometer reading of 150k kilometers to a lady turned out that the actual reading should have been 160k court case followed because lady said she wouldnt have bought a car with that much kms dealer found quilty fined and had to take back the car i think you have a case if you can get a sworn statement from the previous owner take the car back to the dealer and threaten him or something gerrit windows data corruption i quit windows normally to run a special dos app got done with it and tried to start windows ok got the title screen windows background dos with an error about loading progman exe hum yep progman exe is still there must be bad ok pull off progman exe from a backup tape start windows get the windows title screen windows background dos with the same error hum fire up the good ol norton disk doctor test 500 lost clusters ok fix them and look through them doesnt look important remove the windows directory and reinstall from disks fire up windows title screen background program manager success i have a 486 50 amy with 4 meg of ram 120 meg hd svga running under dos 5 0 no special memory managers or stuff just the basic windows 3 1 a 12 meg permanent swap file using 32 bit access i mainly use windows to run more that one dos app at a time ie downloading with qmodem with a dos window open and possibly pov running in the background ive noticed that since i started using windows a few months ago lost clusters have gotten more and more common although i dont like having data just disappear it really havent been a problem except for today has anyone else had any problems with lost clusters while running windows and what could i do to fix the problem id sleep better knowing amy wasnt loosing her marbles steven steven marcotte sdoran matt ksu ksu edu baseball re dave kingman for the hall of fame in article mssc5k4w5 gqe netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes im no kingman fan just thought id point out that hes the only player in history to have five three hr games joe carter has four eddie murray three mccovey and gehrig also three ruth mays foxx and dawson two each johnny mize had six three hr games which is the current record bob holt rjh allegra att com cars quick question how do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an 87 honda prelude the speaker went scratchy and i want to access its pins i see only one press button and the rest is snug fit s ssave ole cdac com windows telix problem when i use telix or kermit in win 3 1 or use telix after exiting windows to dos telix can not find the serial port if you have some ideas on how to solve this problem or where i can find further information send me email or send it to the news group thanks dale erickson dericks plains nodak edu medicine hicn610 medical newsletter part 1 4 cut here volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 health info com network medical newsletter editor david dodell d m d 10250 north 92nd street suite 210 scottsdale arizona 85258 4599 usa telephone 1 602 860 1121 fax 1 602 451 1165 compilation copyright 1993 by david dodell d m d all rights reserved license is hereby granted to republish on electronic media for which no fees are charged so long as the text of this copyright notice and license are attached intact to any and all 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research news high tech assisted reproductive technologies 24 4 articles low levels airborne particles linked to serious asthma attacks 29 nih consensus development conference on melanoma 31 national cancer insitute designated cancer centers 32 5 general announcments uci medical education software repository 40 6 aids news summaries aids daily summary april 12 to april 15 1993 41 7 aids hiv articles first hiv vaccine trial begins in hiv infected children 47 new evidence that the hiv can cause disease independently 50 clinical consultation telephone service for aids 52 hicnet medical newsletter page i volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 comments news from the editor i would like to continue to thank everyone who has sent in a donation for the mednews ocr scanner fund we have reached our goal a hewlett packard scanjet iip was purchased this week thank you to the following individuals whose contributions i just received john sorenson carol sigelman carla moore barbara moose judith schrier again thank you to all who gave i have been using wordscan plus for the past couple of weeks and would like to review the product wordscan plus is a product of calera recognition systems it runs under windows 3 1 and supports that accufont technology of the hewlett packard scanners when initially bringing up the software it lets you select several options 1 text graphics 2 input source ie scanner fax file disk file 3 automatic versus manual decomposition of the scanned image i like manual decomposition since the software then lets me select which parts of the document i would like scanned and in what order once an image is scanned you can bring up the pop up image verification the software gives you two errors at this point blue which are words that were converted reliability but do not match anything in the built in dictionary yellow shade which are words that wordscan plus doesnt think it converted correctly at all i have found that the software should give itself more credit it is usually correct instead of wrong if a word is shaded blue you can add it to your personal dictionary the only problem is the personal dictionary will only handle about 200 words i find this to be very limited considering how many medical terms are not in a normal dictionary after a document is converted you can save it in a multitude of word processor formats also any images that were captured can be stored in a seperate tiff or pcx file format i was extremely impressed on the percent accuracy for fax files i use hicnet medical newsletter page 1 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 an intel satisfaxtion card which stores incoming faxs in a pcx dcx format while most of my faxes were received in standard mode 200x100 dpi the accuracy of wordscan plus was excellent overall a very impressive product the only fault i could find is the limitations of the size of the user dictionary 200 specialized words is just too small if anyone has any specific questions please do not hesitate to send me email hicnet medical newsletter page 2 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 centers for disease control and prevention mmwr emerging infectious diseases source mmwr 42 14 date apr 16 1993 introduction despite predictions earlier this century that infectious diseases would soon be eliminated as a public health problem 1 infectious diseases remain the major cause of death worldwide and a leading cause of illness and death in the united states since the early 1970s the u s public health system has been challenged by a myriad of newly identified pathogens and syndromes e g escherichia coli o157 h7 hepatitis c virus human immunodeficiency virus legionnaires disease lyme disease and toxic shock syndrome the incidences of many diseases widely presumed to be under control such as cholera malaria and tuberculosis tb have increased in many areas furthermore control and prevention of infectious diseases are undermined by drug resistance in conditions such as gonorrhea malaria pneumococcal disease salmonellosis shigellosis tb and staphylococcal infections 2 emerging infections place a disproportionate burden on immunocompromised persons those in institutional settings e g hospitals and child day care centers and minority and underserved populations the substantial economic burden of emerging infections on the u s health care system could be reduced by more effective surveillance systems and targeted control and prevention programs 3 this issue of mmwr introduces a new series emerging infectious diseases future articles will address these diseases as well as surveillance control and prevention efforts by health care providers and public health officials this first article updates the ongoing investigation of an outbreak of e coli o157 h7 in the western united states 4 references 1 burnet m natural history of infectious disease cambridge england cambridge university press 1963 2 kunin cm resistance to antimicrobial drugs a worldwide calamity ann intern med 1993 118 557 61 3 lederberg j shope re oaks sc jr eds emerging infections microbial threats to health in the united states washington dc national academy press 1992 hicnet medical newsletter page 3 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 4 cdc preliminary report foodborne outbreak of escherichia coli o157 h7 infections from hamburgers western united states 1993 mmwr 1993 42 85 6 hicnet medical newsletter page 4 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 update multistate outbreak of escherichia coli o157 h7 infections from hamburgers western united states 1992 1993 source mmwr 42 14 date apr 16 1993 from november 15 1992 through february 28 1993 more than 500 laboratory confirmed infections with e coli o157 h7 and four associated deaths occurred in four states washington idaho california and nevada this report summarizes the findings from an ongoing investigation 1 that identified a multistate outbreak resulting from consumption of hamburgers from one restaurant chain washington on january 13 1993 a physician reported to the washington department of health a cluster of children with hemolytic uremic syndrome hus and an increase in emergency room visits for bloody diarrhea during january 16 17 a case control study comparing 16 of the first cases of bloody diarrhea or postdiarrheal hus identified with age and neighborhood matched controls implicated eating at chain a restaurants during the week before symptom onset matched odds ratio or undefined lower confidence limit 3 5 on january 18 a multistate recall of unused hamburger patties from chain a restaurants was initiated as a result of publicity and case finding efforts during january february 1993 602 patients with bloody diarrhea or hus were reported to the state health department a total of 477 persons had illnesses meeting the case definition of culture confirmed e coli o157 h7 infection or postdiarrheal hus figure 1 of the 477 persons 52 11 had close contact with a person with confirmed e coli o157 h7 infection during the week preceding onset of symptoms of the remaining 425 persons 372 88 reported eating in a chain a restaurant during the 9 days preceding onset of symptoms of the 338 patients who recalled what they ate in a chain a restaurant 312 92 reported eating a regular sized hamburger patty onsets of illness peaked from january 17 through january 20 of the 477 casepatients 144 30 were hospitalized 30 developed hus and three died the median age of patients was 7 5 years range 0 74 years idaho following the outbreak report from washington the division of health idaho department of health and welfare identified 14 persons with culture confirmed e coli o157 h7 infection with illness onset dates from december 11 1992 through february 16 1993 figure 2a four persons were hospitalized one developed hus during the week preceding illness onset 13 93 had eaten at a chain a restaurant california in late december the san diego county department of health services was notified of a child with e coli o157 h7 infection who subsequently died active surveillance and record review then identified eight other persons with e coli o157 h7 infections or hus from mid november through mid january 1993 four of the nine reportedly had recently eaten at a chain a restaurant and hicnet medical newsletter page 5 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 four at a chain b restaurant in san diego after the washington outbreak was reported reviews of medical records at five hospitals revealed an overall 27 increase in visits or admissions for diarrhea during december 1992 and january 1993 compared with the same period 1 year earlier a case was defined as postdiarrheal hus bloody diarrhea that was culture negative or not cultured or any diarrheal illness in which stool culture yielded e coli o157 h7 with onset from november 15 1992 through january 31 1993 illnesses of 34 patients met the case definition figure 2b the outbreak strain was identified in stool specimens of six patients fourteen persons were hospitalized seven developed hus and one child died the median age of case patients was 10 years range 1 58 years a case control study of the first 25 case patients identified and age and sex matched community controls implicated eating at a chain a restaurant in san diego matched or 13 95 confidence interval ci 1 7 99 a study comparing case patients who ate at chain a restaurants with well meal companions implicated regular sized hamburger patties matched or undefined lower confidence limit 1 3 chain b was not statistically associated with illness nevada on january 22 after receiving a report of a child with hus who had eaten at a local chain a restaurant the clark county las vegas health district issued a press release requesting that persons with recent bloody diarrhea contact the health department a case was defined as postdiarrheal hus bloody diarrhea that was culture negative or not cultured or any diarrheal illness with a stool culture yielding the washington strain of e coli o157 h7 with onset from december 1 1992 through february 7 1993 because local laboratories were not using sorbitol macconkey smac medium to screen stools for e coli o157 h7 this organism was not identified in any patient after smac medium was distributed the outbreak strain was detected in the stool of one patient 38 days after illness onset of 58 persons whose illnesses met the case definition figure 2c nine were hospitalized three developed hus the median age was 30 5 years range 0 83 years analysis of the first 21 patients identified and age and sex matched community controls implicated eating at a chain a restaurant during the week preceding illness onset matched or undefined lower confidence limit 4 9 a case control study using well meal companions of case patients also implicated eating hamburgers at chain a matched or 6 0 95 ci 0 7 49 8 other investigation findings during the outbreak chain a restaurants in washington linked with cases primarily were serving regular sized hamburger patties produced on november 19 1992 some of the same meat was used in jumbo patties produced on november 20 1992 the outbreak strain of e coli o157 h7 was isolated from 11 lots of patties produced on those two dates these lots had been distributed to restaurants in all states where illness occurred approximately 272 672 20 of the implicated patties were recovered by the recall a meat traceback by a cdc team identified five slaughter plants in the united states and one in canada as the likely sources of carcasses used in the hicnet medical newsletter page 6 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 contaminated lots of meat and identified potential control points for reducing the likelihood of contamination the animals slaughtered in domestic slaughter plants were traced to farms and auctions in six western states no one slaughter plant or farm was identified as the source further investigation of cases related to secondary transmission in families and child day care settings is ongoing reported by m davis dvm c osaki msph seattle king county dept of public health d gordon ms mw hinds md snohomish health district everett k mottram c winegar mph tacoma pierce county health dept ed avner md pi tarr md dept of pediatrics d jardine md depts of anesthesiology and pediatrics univ of washington school of medicine and childrens hospital and medical center seattle m goldoft md b bartleson mph j lewis jm kobayashi md state epidemiologist washington dept of health g billman md j bradley md childrens hospital san diego s hunt p tanner res m ginsberg md san diego county dept of health svcs l barrett dvm sb werner md gw rutherford iii md state epidemiologist california dept of health svcs rw jue central district health dept boise h root southwest district health dept caldwell d brothers ma rl chehey ms rh hudson phd div of health idaho state public health laboratory fr dixon md state epidemiologist div of health idaho dept of health and welfare dj maxson environmental epidemiology program l empey pa o ravenholt md vh ueckart dvm clark county health district las vegas a disalvo md nevada state public health laboratory ds kwalick md r salcido mph d brus dvm state epidemiologist div of health nevada state dept of human resources center for food safety and applied nutrition food and drug administration food safety inspection svc animal and plant health inspection svc us dept of agriculture div of field epidemiology epidemiology program office enteric diseases br div of bacterial and mycotic diseases national center for infectious diseases cdc editorial note e coli o157 h7 is a pathogenic gram negative bacterium first identified as a cause of illness in 1982 during an outbreak of severe bloody diarrhea traced to contaminated hamburgers 2 this pathogen has since emerged as an important cause of both bloody diarrhea and hus the most common cause of acute renal failure in children outbreak investigations have linked most cases with the consumption of undercooked ground beef although other food vehicles including roast beef raw milk and apple cider also have been implicated 3 preliminary data from a cdc 2 year nationwide multicenter study revealed that when stools were routinely cultured for e coli o157 h7 that organism was isolated more frequently than shigella in four of 10 participating hospitals and was isolated from 7 8 of all bloody stools a higher rate than for any other pathogen infection with e coli o157 h7 often is not recognized because most clinical laboratories do not routinely culture stools for this organism on hicnet medical newsletter page 7 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 smac medium and many clinicians are unaware of the spectrum of illnesses associated with infection 4 the usual clinical manifestations are diarrhea often bloody and abdominal cramps fever is infrequent younger age groups and the elderly are at highest risk for clinical manifestations and complications illness usually resolves after 6 8 days but 2 7 of patients develop hus which is characterized by hemolytic anemia thrombocytopenia renal failure and a death rate of 3 5 this report illustrates the difficulties in recognizing community outbreaks of e coli o157 h7 in the absence of routine surveillance despite the magnitude of this outbreak the problem may not have been recognized in three states if the epidemiologic link had not been established in washington 1 clinical laboratories should routinely culture stool specimens from persons with bloody diarrhea or hus for e coli o157 h7 using smac agar 5 when infections with e coli o157 h7 are identified they should be reported to local health departments for further evaluation and if necessary public health action to prevent further cases e coli o157 h7 lives in the intestines of healthy cattle and can contaminate meat during slaughter cdc is collaborating with the u s department of agricultures food safety inspection service to identify critical control points in processing as a component of a program to reduce the likelihood of pathogens such as e coli o157 h7 entering the meat supply because slaughtering practices can result in contamination of raw meat with pathogens and because the process of grinding beef may transfer pathogens from the surface of the meat to the interior ground beef is likely to be internally contaminated the optimal food protection practice is to cook ground beef thoroughly until the interior is no longer pink and the juices are clear in this outbreak undercooking of hamburger patties likely played an important role the food and drug administration fda has issued interim recommendations to increase the internal temperature for cooked hamburgers to 155 f 86 1 c fda personal communication 1993 regulatory actions stimulated by the outbreak described in this report and the recovery of thousands of contaminated patties before they could be consumed emphasize the value of rapid public health investigations of outbreaks the public health impact and increasing frequency of isolation of this pathogen underscore the need for improved surveillance for infections caused by e coli o157 h7 and for hus to better define the epidemiology of e coli o157 h7 references 1 cdc preliminary report foodborne outbreak of escherichia coli o157 h7 infections from hamburgers western united states 1993 mmwr 1993 42 85 6 2 riley lw remis rs helgerson sd et al hemorrhagic colitis associated with a rare escherichia coli serotype n engl j med 1983 308 681 5 hicnet medical newsletter page 8 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 3 griffin pm tauxe rv the epidemiology of infections caused by escherichia coli o157 h7 other enterohemorrhagic e coli and the associated hemolytic uremic syndrome epidemiol rev 1991 13 60 98 4 griffin pm ostroff sm tauxe rv et al illnesses associated with escherichia coli o157 h7 infections a broad clinical spectrum ann intern med 1988 109 705 12 5 march sb ratnam s latex agglutination test hicnet medical newsletter page 9 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 use of smokeless tobacco among adults united states 1991 source mmwr 42 14 date apr 16 1993 consumption of moist snuff and other smokeless tobacco products in the united states almost tripled from 1972 through 1991 1 long term use of smokeless tobacco is associated with nicotine addiction and increased risk of oral cancer 2 the incidence of which could increase if young persons who currently use smokeless tobacco continue to use these products frequently 1 to monitor trends in the prevalence of use of smokeless tobacco products cdcs 1991 national health interview survey health promotion and disease prevention supplement nhis hpdp collected information on snuff and chewing tobacco use and smoking from a representative sample of the u s civilian noninstitutionalized population aged greater than or equal to 18 years this report summarizes findings from this survey the 1991 nhis hpdp supplement asked have you used snuff at least 20 times in your entire life and do you use snuff now similar questions were asked about chewing tobacco use and cigarette smoking current users of smokeless tobacco were defined as those who reported snuff or chewing tobacco use at least 20 times and who reported using snuff or chewing tobacco at the time of the interview former users were defined as those who reported having used snuff or chewing tobacco at least 20 times and not using either at the time of the interview ever users of smokeless tobacco included current and former users current smokers were defined as those who reported smoking at least 100 cigarettes and who were currently smoking and former smokers as those who reported having smoked at least 100 cigarettes and who were not smoking now ever smokers included current and former smokers data on smokeless tobacco use were available for 43 732 persons aged greater than or equal to 18 years and were adjusted for nonresponse and weighted to provide national estimates confidence intervals cis were calculated by using standard errors generated by the software for survey data analysis sudaan 3 in 1991 an estimated 5 3 million 2 9 u s adults were current users of smokeless tobacco including 4 8 million 5 6 men and 533 000 0 6 women for all categories of comparison the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use was substantially higher among men for men the prevalence of use was highest among those aged 18 24 years table 1 for women the prevalence was highest among those aged greater than or equal to 75 years the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use among men was highest among american indians alaskan natives and whites the prevalence among women was highest among american indians alaskan natives and blacks among both men and women prevalence of smokeless tobacco use declined with increasing education prevalence was substantially higher among residents of the southern united states and in rural areas although the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use was higher among hicnet medical newsletter page 10 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 men and women below the poverty level this difference was significant only for women p less than 0 05 table 1 among men the prevalence of current use of snuff was highest among those aged 18 44 years but varied considerably by age the prevalence of use of chewing tobacco was more evenly distributed by age group table 2 although women rarely used smokeless tobacco the prevalence of snuff use was highest among those aged greater than or equal to 75 years an estimated 7 9 million 4 4 95 ci 4 1 4 6 adults reported being former smokeless tobacco users among ever users the proportion who were former smokeless tobacco users was 59 9 95 ci 57 7 62 1 among persons aged 18 24 years the proportion of former users was lower among snuff users 56 2 95 ci 49 4 63 0 than among chewing tobacco users 70 4 95 ci 64 2 76 6 among persons aged 45 64 years the proportion of former users was similar for snuff 68 9 95 ci 63 1 74 7 and chewing tobacco 73 5 95 ci 68 9 78 1 among current users of smokeless tobacco 22 9 95 ci 19 9 26 0 currently smoked 33 3 95 ci 30 0 36 5 formerly smoked and 43 8 95 ci 39 9 47 7 never smoked in comparison among current smokers 2 6 95 ci 2 3 3 0 were current users of smokeless tobacco daily use of smokeless tobacco was more common among snuff users 67 3 95 ci 63 2 71 4 than among chewing tobacco users 45 1 95 ci 40 6 49 6 reported by office on smoking and health national center for chronic disease prevention and health promotion div of health interview statistics national center for health statistics cdc editorial note the findings in this report indicate that the use of smokeless tobacco was highest among young males adolescent and young adult males in particular are the target of marketing strategies by tobacco companies that link smokeless tobacco with athletic performance and virility use of oral snuff has risen markedly among professional baseball players encouraging this behavior among adolescent and young adult males and increasing their risk for nicotine addiction oral cancer and other mouth disorders 4 differences in the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use among racial ethnic groups may be influenced by differences in educational levels and socioeconomic status as well as social and cultural phenomena that require further explanation for example targeted marketing practices may play a role in maintaining or increasing prevalence among some groups and affecting the differential initiation of smokeless tobacco use by young persons 5 6 in this report one concern is that nearly one fourth of current smokeless tobacco users also smoke cigarettes in the 1991 nhis hpdp the prevalence of cigarette smoking was higher among former smokeless tobacco users than among current and never smokeless tobacco users in a previous study among college students 18 of current smokeless tobacco users smoked hicnet medical newsletter page 11 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 occasionally 7 in addition approximately 7 of adults who formerly smoked reported substituting other tobacco products for cigarettes in an effort to stop smoking 8 health care providers should recognize the potential health implications of concurrent smokeless tobacco and cigarette use the national health objectives for the year 2000 have established special population target groups for the reduction of the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use including males aged 12 24 years to no more than 4 by the year 2000 objective 3 9 and american indian alaskan native youth to no more than 10 by the year 2000 objective 3 9a 9 strategies to lower the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use include continued monitoring of smokeless tobacco use integrating smoking and smokeless tobacco control efforts enforcing laws that restrict minors access to tobacco making excise taxes commensurate with those on cigarettes encouraging health care providers to routinely provide cessation advice and follow up providing school based prevention and cessation interventions and adopting policies that prohibit tobacco use on school property and at school sponsored events 5 references 1 office of evaluations and inspections spit tobacco and youth washington dc us department of health and human services office of the inspector general 1992 dhhs publication no oei 06 92 00500 2 national institutes of health the health consequences of using smokeless tobacco a report of the advisory committee to the surgeon general bethesda maryland us department of health and human services public health service 1986 dhhs publication no nih 86 2874 3 shah bv software for survey data analysis sudaan version 5 30 software documentation research triangle park north carolina research triangle institute 1989 4 connolly gn orleans ct blum a snuffing tobacco out of sport am j public health 1992 82 351 3 5 national cancer institute smokeless tobacco or health an international perspective bethesda maryland us department of health and human services public health service national institutes of health 1992 dhhs publication no nih 92 3461 6 foreyt jp jackson as squires wg hartung gh murray td gotto am psychological profile of college students who use smokeless tobacco addict behav 1993 18 107 16 7 glover ed laflin m edwards sw age of initiation and switching patterns hicnet medical newsletter page 12 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 between smokeless tobacco and cigarettes among college students in the united states am j public health 1989 79 207 8 8 cdc tobacco use in 1986 methods and tabulations from adult use of tobacco survey rockville maryland us department of health and human services public health service cdc 1990 dhhs publication no om 90 2004 9 public health service healthy people 2000 national health promotion and disease prevention objectives washington dc us department of health and human services public health service 1991 dhhs publication no phs 91 50213 end of part 1 internet david stat com fax 1 602 451 1165 bitnet atw1h asuacad fidonet 1 114 15 amateur packet ax25 wb7tpy wb7tpy az usa na guns need senate bill numbers and house resolution numbers sorry for posting this here but noone has replied to my post from the politics side of the group i want to get involved in the fight to save our gun rights but first i need to get a little more educated ive been reading all the magzines and books i can get my hands on and sifting through hundreds of messages here in the internet i want to obtain a complete list of senate bill and house resolution names numbers can anyone tell me how where to obtain this info surely there has to be a way to obtain copies of anti gun legislation from those s in washington any help is appreciated peter d nesbitt air traffic controller pnesbitt mcimail com oakland bay tracon cbr600f2 pilot nra member ccx1380f s w 41 magnum carrier baseball re all time best players in article 1993apr14 173428 12056 princeton edu roger crux princeton edu roger lustig writes in article 1993apr13 115313 17986 bsu ucs 00mbstultz leo bsuvc bsu edu writes ive recently been working on project to determine the greatest players at their respective postions 2b career what about u johnny hodapp the greatest 2nd baseman in cleveland indians history 225 hits in 1930 consistantly over 300 a great great second baseman jon johnny hodapp jmhodapp aplcomm jhuapl edu cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article bense 33 735855979 oasys dt navy mil bense oasys dt navy mil ron bense writes in article 1993apr24 003549 126206 ns1 cc lehigh edu amh2 ns1 cc lehigh edu alois m himsl writes in article 1993apr15 155325 6329 jpl devvax jpl nasa gov nancy hayduke nancy feagans writes ashtrays and cigarette lighters these should be an option you forget that the cigarette lighter plug is essential for plugging in radar detectors and lights the ashtrays are also essential because they are great places to keep change and tokens wouldnt you rather have some type of standard electrical plug instead of that fire hazard waiting to happen adaptor i know i would and i would also prefer to have sensibly placed cup holders instead of an ashtray my car came with coin holders already built in ron exactly you took the words right out of my mouth ron nancy j feagans 818 306 6423 jet propulsion lab nancy jpl devvax jpl nasa gov not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious windows re help with changing startup logo in article 735952415 aa01739 f 454 fidonet org c doelle writes brad what is the procedure used to specially compress the bmp file i would love to use some of my bmp files i have created as a logo screen thanks chris origin chris doelle f3333 n106 z1 fidonet org 1 106 3333 26 i dont know the specifics of the compression algorithm but ive used the shareware program paintshop to convert between the two you can download it from ftp cica indiana edu but i dont know what the file is called or what directory it is in you can start by looking in pub pc win3 or try scanning the index files to convert a bmp file to a rle file you just load the bmp file and do a save as select windows bitmap and compressed or is it rle whatever it is its fairly intuitive sorry i dont have all the details but im currently on an ibm3151 dumb terminal and cant do much researching good luck brad smalling jr ee ga tech atlanta ga gt2617c prism gatech edu baseball re dave kingman for the hall of fame in article 1993apr15 093231 5148 news yale edu steve tomassi writes hi baseball fans so what do you say dont you think he deserves it i mean heck if dave winfield ho hum is seriously being considered for it as is lee smith ha then why dont we give dave kingman a chance or darrell evans yeah yeah after the hall of fame takes in them it can take in eddie murray and jeff reardon i am trying to think how to respond to this without involving personal feeling or perceptions and i can not without having stats to back up my points however i think you approached this the wrong way i believe all of the people mentioned here deserve the hall of fame more than dave kingman does i feel they were all much better players i am not saying i fell they deserve to go but that they would deserve it more imho dave kingman definately not they guy only had a couple of years were he could hit with atleast a respectable averag the rest of his career i do not think he was very feared by pitchers i also do not think he did a lot for the game i mean really i am a met fan he was a met for part of his career and i still would not back him for the hall of fame dave winfield i think so he is feared by pitchers he has had several season where he hit for a respectable average and his production numbers are in my opinion without stats better than kingmans probably by quite a bit i also perceive him to be a leader maybe not as much as some other people but none the less a leader i think he has made substantial contributions to the game of baseball and to society examples of this are some of the charitable things he has done i know some of this from when he was with the yankees i think he the type of player that kids can look up to and while this is definately not the only criteria for the hall of fame i think it deserves some consideration lee smith maybe i would have to see his stats again but he definately would deserve to go before the likes of kingman darrell evans no eddie murray maybe he has had a very good career he is a leader although a silent one he is a good role model are the stats good enough i am not sure but i would once again believe they are much better than kingmans both the average as well as the power numbers but not as good as winfields just think eddie did not have as much publicity for most of his great years jeff reardon my guess is no but it kind of depends on his numbers off the top of my head i would take lee smith first well in any case i am sick and tired mostly sick of everybody giving hall of fame consideration to players that are by todays standards marginal honestly ozzie smith and robin yount dont belong there theyre both shortstops that just hung around for a long time big deal well i strongly disagree here both of these guys deserve it for sure i talked about leadership above both of these guys are leaders and have been instumental in leading their teams to the post season robin does have very good offensive numbers both average and power and ozzie has okay numbers offensively the difference with ozzie is that if you gave him a home run for every run he saved by making an incredible play at shortstop he would have shattered aarons home run mark by now how many of those great plays saved games how many of those great plays motivated his team to rally and win a game while i believe both of these guys have numbers baseball is about more than numbers or at least winning at baseball is about more than numbers both of these guys are proven stars and belong in the hall of fame as does george brett who also belongs in this class of player lets be a little more selective huh stop handing out these honors so liberally save them for the guys who really deserve it face it if something isnt done there will be little prestige in the hall of fame anymore when certain individuals believe that steve garvey or jack morris are potential candidates the absurdity is apparent gee can these guys even compare to the more likely future hall of famers like kirby puckett or nolan ryan steve garvey i am not sure probably not but i guess i could see someone making a case for him jack morris once again not my first choice but i can see why someone might bring up his name kirby puckett probably the only reason i do not say definately is he still has time left in his career if he continues doing what he has been then my probably will turn into a definately nolan ryan is there really any doubt i think i heard something about him having some 53 records maybe they were not all good i dont know i did not hear any of them just the number he has the numbers he has the contributions to the game and community and he is a great role model i would not say that he is the best pitcher to ever pitch the game probably not even top 20 but he would be the first pitcher i would put in the hall of fame because of his accomplishments no hitters strikeouts respectable numbers even with some weaker teams you can go on and on i really hope he gets all the possible votes so in summing up i have 3 groups those that belong those that probably do but i am not sure and those that i lean towards saying dont belong at least not without my seeing stats and possibly hearing reasons why they should go yes winfield yount brett not in your mail o smith puckett and ryan maybe murray and l smith no reardon garvey morris evans and definately kingman as i said i do not have the stats around so i do not have numbers to back this up these are entirely my opinions based on my perceptions mike q steve windows re mac disks in windows macsee zip on ftp cica indiana edu is supposed to read and write mac disks ive never tried it though good luck i just tried it but i cant say that it works cause it doesnt read 800k disks it only reads 1 44mb if there a program that does read 800k disks please let me know baseball re finnally the phils have support in article c4yxmj ble news udel edu philly bach udel edu robert c hite writes most of tirade deleted i have an editor and know how to use it okay weve been conservative and added about 18 wins so far now were adding about 4 more wins thanks to the expansion teams okay thats 22 wins lesse dipshit math genuious 72 22 94 hmmm i think thats good enough to win the worse division in baseball next time before you say something foolish get a clue first either this is an example of great sarcasm or im really really worried dave hung like a jim acker slider kirsch blue jays do it again in 93 kirsch staff tc umn edu new quotes out of context not to beat a dead horse but its been a couple o weeks this disappoints me punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence baseball game length was re braves update in article 1993apr19 194025 8967 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes stuff about ron gant incident deleted a reasonable umpire would do as hes been instructed to do this season get the batters back in the box sooner to try to cut down on the ridiculous length of games i for one am glad to see this happen i agree that hirschbeck was just doing what he was instructed to do and also that gant should have listened to him however what is with this policy of trying to speed up the games you are the first person non mediot i have seen endorse this policy i have no problem with the length of games at all and am tired of the espn crowd and other announcers bitching about it i have never been in a ballpark filled with people looking at their watches and shouting hurry up if i cough up big bucks for a ticket i dont mind a game that last more than 2 10 i really dont understand it games are longer now for several reasons more pitching changes more basestealing and throws to first etc i think a very small factor is the increased time it takes jose canseco deion sanders insert fancy showboat ballplayer here to arrange their jewelry prior to stepping in the batters box my impression is that sportcasters and writers have made this an issue because they like shorter games they get to head back to hotel bar eat steaks get drunk tell stupid jokes with their pals and chase stewardesses around the bar sure they want the game over with print journalists have a slightly more legitimate reason for wanting faster games they have deadlines the espn guys on baseball tonight drive me crazy they constantly harp on this primarily because they often have to work late when the game goes longer than 2 30 maybe i am just a neer do well with nothing better to do but i would like to hear reasons why the longer games upset you as a parenthetical note it seems the league is in any case fighting a losing battle this year the increased offense thus far will certainly spoil any hopes of getting the games over with more quickly nick flynn baseball astros for real who thinks the astros are going places theyre currently first place theyre 5 4 5 1 on the road cars diatribe on us sold opels was re opel owners gibbonsa fraser sfu ca darren gibbons writes im looking for information on opel cars now you ask which model well the sad truth is im not entirely sure but its a two seater with roll over headlights hard top and really sporty looking my friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition body wise but he transmission has seized up on him so it hasnt run for a while does anyone have any info on these cars the engine compartment looks really tight to work on but it is in fine shape and i am quite interested in it that would be the opel gt sold in this country from 69 to 73 it originally had a 1100 cc engine which was later replaced by the 1900 cc it was based on the old kadett drive train and suspension with leaf springs in the rear and a single transverse leaf spring in the front it looked good but was limited as a performer there has also been some discussion in this thread about the manta and other models in 1971 opel introduced a new line of models the 1900 series that were also known as model numbers 51 57 etc these cars had the newer 1900cc engine and were available as two and four door coupes a station wagon and a sport coupe known in europe as the manta at the same time there were two 30 series cars which sold very few numbers that also had the 1900 engine but the kadett suspension the sport coupe model 57 was also available as the rallye 57r with a blacked out hood tach and fog lights but was mechanically the same except for a numerically higher rear end ratio in 1973 the sport coupe was also named the manta in the us 1973 was the last year for the gt in any country both because of the us bumper height regulations and the fact that fiat exercised an option on the factory that opel was leasing to build the gts the 1900 series continued in 1974 with minor body differences in 1975 the manta 1900 sedan also called the ascona and the wagon were available with bosch electronic fuel injection these cars also had larger brakes and wider wheels these cars were starting to compete with the 1975 buick century low price leader of the time and were the last opels imported into the us from 1976 to 1979 cars that sported buick opel badges were still sold by the buick dealers but were rebadged isuzu i marks the idea was to call them opels instead of changing the dealers neon signs various models of the 50 series cars dominated the showroom stock racing of the 70s in their class and were known as serious 2002 competition parts are still available from a number of sources i still have a 73 manta and two 75 sedans and all the trick parts i could collect in 20 years john kennedy uunet opel johnk second source inc johnk secondsource com annapolis md religion re the list of biblical contradictions in article 7912 blue cis pitt edu joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin writes many good points deleted anyone who missed it should see the original lists like this that just toss a bunch of quotes together to make a bible verse salad just dont cut it those of us who want to argue against inerrancy should find this sort of thing as embarassing as the fundies should find josh mcdowell true except that ive known few fundies who had enough sense to be embarrassed by josh mcdowell okay maybe a cheap shot but im in that kind of mood bill mayne cars those nasty insurance people hello everyone i have an insurance question allstate insurance situation person wrecks car car is drivable to dealer person reports accident no other cars involved driver estimates damage cost exceedes cost of car insurance people claim car is totalled because of exceeding repair costs person says wwhhhaatttt but i drove the car here and takes it to another place other place estimates 2 101 00 in damage 2 000 less than the dealer one more hitch the car is registered in florida but the accident occurred in pennsyvania question should the insurance recognize and pay for the damages of this now fixable car even though they prematurly declared totalled please respond via e mail if you think you know anything about this sort of thing chris camp wpic pitt edu thanks baseball re sparky anderson gets win 2000 tigers beat as in article ragraca 734906386 vela acs oakland edu ragraca vela acs oakland edu randy a graca writes tigers manager sparky anderson gets his 2 000th career win as moments ago the tigers completed a two game sweep over the oakland as at tiger stadium by beating the as 3 2 here are the highlights r h e oakland 2 9 0 detroit 3 7 1 game description deleted in the post game interview on wjr radio in detroit sparky anderson said its one of the few times hes gotten emotional in his managing career it was a big moment for him and im sure all of us tiger fans are unanimously very happy for him and what a way to get number 2 000 woofing deleted randy in another post game interview larussa claimed that sparky was the best manager in basebal explaining that to be part of the history of sparky softened the blow of losing go tigers tim timothy law snyder department of computer science reiss 225 georgetown university washington dc 20057 tim normal georgetown edu windows top 30 windows applications hello everybody i am searching for business information of windows application to create a top 30 of most used wordprocessors spreadsheets drawing programs schedulers and fax programs etc please mail me all your information or references i will summaries the results on this media thank you in advance anton de ruiter digital equipment corporation workgroup products wgp objectworks obw ing anton de ruiter mba software product manager post office box 245 7300 ae apeldoorn the netherlands oude apeldoornseweg 41 45 7333 nr apeldoorn the netherlands mail hlde01 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but looking tangentally at a wheel these are low power units and typically wont trigger radar detectors unless an unusual situation such as yours arises john john de armond wd4oqc interested in high performance mobility performance engineering magazine tm interested in high tech and computers marietta ga send ur snail mail address to jgd dixie com perform dixie com for a free sample mag need usenet public access in atlanta write me for info on dixie com this makes sense radar pointed down because almost every train i pass head on that triggers my radar detector does so more just after i have passed the front of the engine i get a little of the reflections as i am approaching and the instant i get to the side of the first engine the detector receives a fairly strong signal for a short time it happens with just about every train i see guns waco questions folks its time to start building some precise questions to send to our federal elected officials and to investigative reporters in our local tv radio and newprint media ideally these questions could be asked at any investigation into the batfs and fbis participation at the waco fiasco in hopes of being resolved and hopefully wake up the local news media that they are not getting the entire truth from the batf and fbi my list is up to 13 that are really nagging at my gut the list will probably grow 1 what were the contents of the original warrant now sealed that the batf obtained 2 it is reasonable to believe that illegal firearms and or ammunition could not be flushed down the toilet therefore a no knock raid could be ruled out prior to the initial assault on the complex did a single batf agent and accompanying witness without a contingent of assault and news media personnel attempt to knock on the door of the branch davidians complex and serve the warrant in a manner prescribed by law 3 on the day of the initial assault on the complex batf agents were aware that several small children were inside the buildings in the ensueing gun battle batf agents fired into a building known to contain children killing at least one two year old child knowing children were present why didnt the batf have an alternate plan and immediately retreat from the area close to the complex and implement the alternate plan rather than opening fire and jeopardizing the lives of the children in the building 4 the fbi spokesman states that paper evidence indicates that david koresh and members of the branch davidians possessed over 200 000 in firearms and ammunition did david koresh and the members of the branch davidians have a valid federal firearms license were they actively participating in the legal business of selling buying firearms and ammunition and were any of the weapons they had illegally possessed does this paper evidence consist only of weapons purchased or does it include legally dispossessed weapons 5 after the original assault on the compound tragically failed a batf spokeswoman stated we were outgunned yet tv newscasts of video tape filmed at the time of the incident show batf agents armed with mp 5 and ar 15 m16 rifles although unclear on the video tape because of obstruction from full view by agents bodies they also may have had ak 47 and sks rifles what type s of firearms did the batf agents have immediate access to at the scene of the original assault on the complex 6 since there is no evidence to confirm anyone was inside the complex involuntarily why did the fbi treat it as a hostage situation 7 along the same lines why did the fbi use psychological warfare techniques including sensory overload sleep deprivation and other disruptive techniques that would test the sanity of any normal person rather than using techniques aimed at placing the complex occupants into a calmer frame of mind 8 reports indicate several of the children inside the complex were accompanied by their mothers since it is reasonable to expect these mothers would have their children taken away from them if they came out why did the fbi expect the mothers to just walk out and surrender themselves to the authorities 9 agents at the scene claim to have seen members of the branch davidians setting fire to the complex branch davidian members who survived the inferno claim the fire was started when an armored vehicle punched through the wall and knocked over a lantern which was setting on a table video tape of the incident does show an armored vehicle punching a hole in the wall and the fire erupted almost immediately from the same general location was the source of the fire the same room where the armored vehicle penetrated 10 fbi spokesmen are voicing the opinion that the david koresh and the members of the branch davidians committed mass suicide yet bodies are being discovered throughout the house and other areas within the building complex this seems to be counter to any known mass suicides through history what evidence does the fbi have that a mass suicide pact existed 11 fbi director sessions stated that the massive fireball shown on the video tape was caused by the branch davidians ammunition and or powder cache exploding yet the fireball seems to be more characteristic of the type created when compressed gas or other highly volatile fuel source explodes was any evidence found which would indicate the branch davidians had an ammunition and or powder cache which exploded to create this fireball if so and if david koresh and members of the branch davidians were engaged in the legal business of selling buying firearms was the amount determined to be excessively greater than one would expect for someone engaged in such a legal business 12 it is rumored that one fbi agent was extremely upset about critical news media coverage and intentionally used an armored vehicle to crush a reporters car which had been left at the compound is there any factual basis to this rumor and if so what charges will be brought against the fbi agent who performed the act 13 fbi director sessions states that during the final assault on the complex over 80 shots were fired at the vehicles on the video tape of the incident you can hear the drone of the armored vehicles engines yet there is no sound of the sharp reports that one would expect to hear if shots were fired also there are no indications of smoke and or muzzle flashes appearing from the windows buildings or other structures in the video surely these should be evident if the branch davidians had fired on the armored vehicles finally the video tape does not show any indication of paint splatter sparks or other characteristic spray of material which should be apparent if the branch davidians had fired upon the vehicles do any of the armored vehicles which were brought in to pump tear gas into the compound show evidence of fresh damage due to being hit by shots from high power rifles 14 cs gas is considered to be a chemical warfare agent the united states has signed international treaties which prevent the use of cs gas in warfare if the united states could not morally use cs gas against saddam hussein and his troops why is it morally acceptable to use the same agent against citizens of our own land 15 on april 21 fbi spokesmen state that at least 3 bodies discovered in the complex had bullet wounds to the head indicating they had been murdered or had committed suicide on april 22 the county coroner claims he knows nothing about any bodies found with bullet wounds to the head were any of the victims bodies found within the burned out complex have bullet wounds to the head ron phillips crphilli hound dazixca ingr com senior customer engineer intergraph electronics 381 east evelyn avenue voice 415 691 6473 mountain view ca 94041 fax 415 691 0350 cars re improvements in automatic transmissions in article c5weqe 5ig news rich bnr ca herling crchh111 nosubdomain nodomain brent herling writes in article 1993apr21 160341 24707 westminster ac uk jkjec westminster ac uk shazad barlas writes i just wanted to know to wheelspin in an auto you keep the gear in n gas it then stick the gear in d ive never tried this but am sure it works but does this screw up the autobox were having a bit of a debate about it here ah yes the neutral slam i know that gm tested the old th400s and th350s by shifting from reverse to forward gears repeatedly while holding the engine at high rpms the units hold up incredibly well this is also the recommended technique to rock a stuck vehicle out of the mud i think the hydraulics are up to the task but the mechanicals of the driveline may object by breaking something 0 02 ericy i agree about the durability of the old th400 trannies from gm while i never intentionally slamed my 68 firebird 400 ci conv into gear i would leave the trannie in low read 1st grab hold hit the pedal and once the tires grabbed take off when i reached about 57 60mph the turbo 400 auto would shift to s read super or 2nd and leave about 10 to 15 foot of double stripped rubber on the ground most everyone i knew at the time was quite impressed with peeling out at 60 mph the trannie held up just fine motor mounts would last about a year until i tied the motor down with large chains oh yea fyi pontiac 400 ci bored 0 04 over large valve heads holley 650 spread bore crain blazer cam dont remember the specs positrac hooker headers dual exhaust get this conv leather seats power windows power top ac cruise etc oh yea i also pulled the cocktail shakers weights from the front and removed the lead pellet from the accelerator pedal damn us regulations oh how i miss that car 0 60 under 6 7 sec and about 6 to 14 mpg well i dont miss the mpg front wheels 4 off the ground with three quick jabs at the pedal bent pushrods stripped rocker studs every 6 12 months i really wonder what kind of revs i was turning no tach re improvements in automatic transmissions anyone seen one of these lately id buy it back in a sec open top brent am i the only one that smells a little el caca del toro here cars 93 hyundai sonata opinions info wanted id like to hear stories on experiences with the hyundai sonata i know consumer reports has trashed them but the people i know that have them swear by them they also havent had the problems with them that consumer reports claims i havent driven one yet i have driven a 93 hyundai elantra which consumer reports also trashed and was very impressed with it the local hyundai dealership no haggle policy is offering an elantra gls w power moonroof for 13163 they also have a sonata base w sunroof for 13997 i know my preference is for a sonata gls w sunroof and 4 spd automatic ill decide which engine i prefer after test driving both the 4 cyl and the v6 the sonata is also offering a 1500 rebate hmmm thats another question is the following scenario the appropriate manner to handle negotiation 1 make offer 2 subtract rebate from offer 3 talk trade 4 subtract trade from offer to get final price rhonda gaines systems network administrator internet gaines fibercom com fibercom inc p o box 11966 uucp uunet fibercom gaines roanoke va 24022 1966 fax 703 342 5961 phone 703 342 6700 or 800 423 1183 x291 religion satan here is someones biblical claim for the characteristics of satan this is probably the portion of scripture that you were talking about isaiah 14 12 15 this does speak of the morning star which according to you is the babylonian prince ok so i turn your attention to daniel 10 12 14 this passage concerns a revelation of prophecy to daniel by the messenger from god within this passage the messenger from god speaks of how he fought for 3 weeks against the prince of the persian kingdom obviously this prince was not an earthly prince this prince of the persian kingdom is probably one of the demons in satans hierarchy as such the morning star can be the prince of babylon w ho can also be satan another passage concerning satans fall from heaven is ezekiel 28 12 19 and separately devil chose to try to become greater than god he wanted to sit on gods throne when the devil was created he was one of the most beautiful angels in heaven we have here three distinct claims concerning the results of the devils decision making a specific desire and a physical description now in support aside from the minor detail that an author seldom writes an unbiased account of the opposition we see isaiah 14 12 15 isa 14 12 how art thou fallen from heaven o lucifer son of the morning how art thou cut down to the ground which didst weaken the nations isa 14 13 for thou hast said in thine heart i will ascend into heaven i will exalt my throne above the stars of god i will sit also upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north isa 14 14 i will ascend above the heights of the clouds i will be like the most high isa 14 15 yet thou shalt be brought down to hell to the sides of the pit doesnt say sits on gods throne says will exhault throne above the stars daniel 10 12 14 dan 10 12 then said he unto me fear not daniel for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand and to chasten thyself before thy god thy words were heard and i am come for thy words dan 10 13 but the prince of the kingdom of persia withstood me one and twenty days but lo michael one of the chief princes came to help me and i remained there with the kings of persia dan 10 14 now i am come to make thee understand what shall be fall thy people in the latter days for yet the vision is for many days see who is being discussed ezekiel 28 12 19 eze 28 12 son of man take up a lamentation upon the king of tyrus and say unto him thus saith the lord god thou sealest up the sum full of wisdom and perfect in beauty eze 28 13 thou hast been in eden the garden of god every pre cious stone was thy covering the sardius topaz and the dia mond the beryl the onyx and the jasper the sapphire the em erald and the carbuncle and gold the workmanship of thy ta brets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created eze 28 14 thou art the anointed cherub that covereth and i have set thee so thou wast upon the holy mountain of god thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire eze 28 15 thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created till iniquity was found in thee eze 28 16 by the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence and thou hast sinned therefore i will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of god and i will destroy thee o covering cherub from the midst of the stones of fire eze 28 17 thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness i will cast thee to the ground i will lay thee before kings that they may behold thee eze 28 18 thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities by the iniquity of thy traffick therefore will i bring forth a fire from the midst of thee it shall devour thee and i will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee eze 28 19 all they that know thee among the people shall be as tonished at thee thou shalt be a terror and never shalt thou be any more anyone else to make a claim about the characteristics of the devil guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes i will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors but here goes monday 19 april 1993 13 30 edt murder most foul cnn is reporting as i write this that the atf has ignited all the buildings of the branch dividian ranch near waco tx the lies from atf say holes were made in the walls and non lethal tear gas pumped in a few minutes after this started the whole thing went up all buildings are aflame no one has escaped i think it obvious that the atf used armored flame thrower vehicles to pump in unlit napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it this is murder atf murderers butchers this is genocidal mass slaughter of innocent people including children i have predicted this from the start but god it sickens me to see it happen i had hoped i was wrong i had hoped that there was still some shred of the america i grew up with and loved left alive i was wrong the nazis have won i repeat as of this time there are no survivors god help us all please crosspost dont let them get away with the slaughter of the children w k gorman an american in tears the latest news i saw was that two of the eight known survivors not no survivors as you so rudely put in all caps said they started the fire i wont go on with the things the wacko of waco did ted schuerzinger zed dartmouth edu this is not the secret message guns s414 brady bill loopholes hi ive just finished reading s414 and have several questions about the brady bills s414 and hr1025 1 are these the current versions of the brady bill what is the status of these bills ive heard theyre in committee how close is that to being made law 2 s414 and hr1025 seem fairly similar are there any important differences i missed 3 s414 seems to have some serious loopholes a s414 doesnt specify an appeals process to wrongful denial during the waiting period other than a civil lawsuit s414 has an appeals process once the required instant background check system is established but not before b the police are explicitly not liable for mistakes in denying approving using existing records so who would i sue in a above to have an inaccurate record corrected c s414 includes an exception to waiting period clause for if a person can convince the local chief law enforcement officer cleo of an immediate threat to his or her life or life of a household member but s414 doesnt say exactly what is considered a threat nor does it place a limit on how long the cleo takes to issue an exception statement true have i misunderstood any other holes 4 with just s414 whats to stop a person with a clean record from buying guns grinding off the serial numbers and selling them to crooks at minimum what additional laws are needed to prevent this seems at min a gun counting scheme would be needed e g john doe owns n guns so if s414 passes i wouldnt be surprised to see legislation for stricter harder to forge i d s plus national gun registration justified by a need to make the brady bill work please comment im mainly interested in specific problems with the current legislation i dont mean to start a general discussion of the merits of any all waiting period bills ever proposed marks shepard netcom com cars re dirty diesels in article 1993apr22 173402 665 virginia edu ejv2j virginia edu erik velapoldi writes nataraja rtsg mot com writes i heard the diesels are considered cleaner burning than gas engines because the emit less of carbon monoxide hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen co hc nox but they can put out a lot of particulate matter i heard something about legislation being discussed to clean up diesel emissions is there anything in the works to install scrubbers for diesels how about the feasibility of installing them on trucks and cars would it be any different than a catylitic converter id assume easier since were removing particulate matter instead of converting gasses lets hear peoples opinions vw and mercedes have tinkered with particulate traps also vw uses a kind of turbocharger on their jetta ecodiesel that helps reduce particulates as well although i dont know the mechanics of it many diesel cars busses and trucks in europe are now being equipped with catalysts and traps in an effort to clean up diesel emissions already well below legal limits anyway its a shame gm had to soil the diesels reputation in passenger cars and prevent further resource devotion to research into making this outstandingly efficient engine even further ahead of gas engines in emissions erik i sure dont know what and how they measure in regards to diesel motors in cars trucks and busses but i think they are probably measuring the wrong pollutants or at the wrong time or both i certainly find it offensive to drive behind a diesel bus or diesel truck and some diesel cars they stink and its always roll up the windows panic time when one comes by or ducks in front of me when i am driving with my family i dont think the combustion mixture is kept under very good control in diesel engines and thats why they stink so the invisible unsmellable pollutants are reduced in diesels yeah well so what someone forgot about the visible stinky kind and as far as i am concerned those kind are just as bad i am all for de stinking the diesel vehicles itll keep the traffic signs cleaner too fred w bach operations group internet music erich triumf ca triumf tri university meson facility voice 604 222 1047 loc 327 278 4004 wesbrook mall ubc campus fax 604 222 1074 university of british columbia vancouver b c canada v6t 2a3 these are my opinions which should only make you read think and question they do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers cars re is car saftey important safety is an important criterium for me when buying a car i wont buy a small car like a civic or whatever great safety handling speed for me evengreater safety handling speed for the rich ie merc 600sel cars re water in trunk of 89 probe jlong emcnext2 tamu edu james long writes in article 1r1crn 27g transfer stratus com tszeto sneezy ts stratus com tommy szeto writes water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friends 89 ford probe every once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water under the plywood carpet cover on the trunk i would guess this usually happens after a good thunder storm a few qs 1 is this a common problem 2 where are the drain holes located for the hatch i noticed this is my 89 probe also when recently cleaning out the back i think the water is coming up through some rubber stoppered holes beneath the spare mine looked slightly worn and there was no water or water damage above the level of the spare area this has taken a low priority since i just found out while rotating my tires that i have a torn cv boot ugh ive got an 89 gt it has the smoked taillight assembly i think this is where the water is getting in when i first got it had it for a month one of the rear taillights fogged up with moisture i took it in to the dealer and they replaced the entire assembly it happened to the other one about 3 months later this time i happened to look in the spare tire well and noticed water standing in there the dealer was more reluctant this time to replace it but i convinced them to fix it they must have had to deal with a number of other probes with the same problem i havent noticed water in the taillamps or the trunk for the last 2 5 years but just last month the taillamp just fogged up again im going to try to take it back to get them to fix it again im real tempted to drill some vent and drain holes in the tops and bottoms of the assembly and forget about it this is getting very annoying almost every other 89 gt ive seen has had this problem vel vel natarajan nataraja rtsg mot com motorola cellular arlington hts il cars arctic wheels auto show arctic wheels of fairbanks presents the 10th anniversary auto show the auto show will be held on may 7 9 1993 mothers day weekend at the fort jonathan wainwright physical fitness center almost any and every vehicle is welcome cars trucks snowmobiles motorcycles antiques racing etc are welcome for more information call 907 488 6937 or 907 488 8687 you may also write arctic wheels p o box 60934 fairbanks alaska 99706 0934 this show is to benefit alaska crippled children and adults acca if you wish to place a vehicle in the show register early space is limited to first come first get a spot in the show you may also use this id to forward information to show officials university of alaska fairbanks university of alaska computer network james w jim grimes sxjwg orca alaska edu tenth anniversary auto show may 7 9 1993 presented by arctic wheels to benefit alaska crippled children and adults call 907 488 6937 or write auto show po box 60934 fairbanks ak 99706 0934 windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article strobl 737652964 gmd de strobl gmd de wolfgang strobl writes this is indeed true i prefer windows nt it is certainly much better than microsoft windows 3 1 dos how do you like it compared to os 2 2 x mike medicine hicn610 medical news part 4 4 cut here limits of azts efficacy and now suggest using the drug either sequentially with other drugs or in a kind of aids treatment cocktail combining a number of drugs to fight the virus all at once treating people with azt alone doesnt happen in the real world anymore said dr mark jacobson of the university of california san francisco also with recent findings indicating that hiv replicates rapidly in the lymph nodes after infection physicians may begin pushing even harder for early treatment of hiv infected patients new infectious disease push american medical news 04 05 93 vol 36 no 13 p 2 the center for disease control will launch a worldwide network to track the spread of infectious diseases and detect drug resistant or new strains in time to help prevent their spread the network is expected to cost between 75 million and 125 million but is an essential part of the clinton administrations health reform plan according to the cdc and outside experts the plan will require the cdc to enhance surveillance of disease in the united states and establish about 15 facilities across the world to track disease april 13 1993 nih plans to begin aids drug trials at earlier stage nature 04 01 93 vol 362 no 6419 p 382 macilwain colin hicnet medical newsletter page 42 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 the national institutes of health has announced it will start treating hiv positive patients as soon as possible after seroconversion resulting from recent findings that show hiv is active in the body in large numbers much earlier than was previously believed anthony fauci director of the u s national institute of allergy and infectious diseases niaid said we must address the question of how to treat people as early as we possibly can with drugs that are safe enough to give people for years and that will get around microbial resistance he said any delay would signify questions over safety and resistance rather than a lack of funds fauci who co authored one of the two papers published last week in nature rejects the argument by one of his co authors cecil fox that the new discovery indicates that 1 billion spent on vaccine trials has been a waste of time and money because the trials were started too long after the patients were infected and were ended too quickly john tew of the medical college of virginia in richmond claims that the new evidence strongly backs the argument for early treatment of hiv infected patients aids activists welcomed the new information but said the scientific community has been slow to understand the significance of infection of the lymph tissue weve known about this for five years but were glad it is now in the public domain said jesse dobson of the california based project inform but peter duesberg who believes that aids is independent of hiv and is a result of drug abuse in the west said we are several paradoxes away from an explanation of aids even if these papers are right april 14 1993 risk of aids virus from doctors found to be minimal washington post 04 14 93 p a9 the risk of hiv being transmitted from infected health care professionals to patients is minimal according to new research published in todays journal of the american medical association jama this finding supports previous conclusions by health experts that the chance of contracting hiv from a health care worker is remote three studies in the jama demonstrate that thousands of patients were treated by two hiv positive surgeons and dentists without becoming infected with the virus the studies were conducted by separate research teams in new hampshire maryland and florida each study started with an hiv positive doctor or dentist and tested all patients willing to participate the new hampshire study found that none of the 1 174 patients who had undergone invasive procedures by an hiv positive orthopedic surgeon contracted hiv in maryland 413 of 1 131 patients operated on by a breast surgery specialist at johns hopkins hospital were found to be hiv negative similarly in florida 900 of 1 192 dental hicnet medical newsletter page 43 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 patients who all had been treated by an hiv positive general dentist were tested and found to be negative for hiv the florida researchers led by gordon m dickinson of the university of miami school of medicine said this study indicates that the risk for transmission of hiv from a general dentist to his patients is minimal in a setting in which universal precautions are strictly observed related story philadelphia inquirer 04 14 p a6 alternative medicine advocates divided over new nih research program aids treatment news 04 02 93 no 172 p 6 gilden dave the new office of alternative medicine at the national institutes of health has raised questions about the nihs commitment to an effort that uses unorthodox or holistic therapeutic methods the oam is a small division of the nih with its budget only at 2 million dollars compared to more than 10 billion for the nih as a whole in addition the money for available research grants is even smaller about 500 000 to 600 000 total will be available this year for 10 or 20 grants kaiya montaocean of the center for natural and traditional medicine in washington d c says the oam is afraid to become involved in aids they have to look successful and there is no easy answer in aids she said there is also a common perception that the oam will focus on fields the nih establishment will find non threatening such as relaxation techniques and acupuncture when the oam called for an advisory committee conference of about 120 people last year the aids community was largely missing from the meeting in addition activists general lack of contact with the office has added suspicion that the epidemic will be ignored jon greenberg of act up new york said the oam advisory panel is composed of practitioners without real research experience it will take them several years to accept the nature of research nevertheless dr leanna standish research director and aids investigator at the bastyr college of naturopathic medicine in seattle said here is a wonderful opportunity to fund aids research its only fair to give the office time to gel but its up to the public to insist that its much much more than public relations herpesvirus decimates immune cell soldiers science news 04 03 93 vol 143 no 14 p 215 fackelmann kathy a scientists conducting test tube experiments have found that herpesvirus 6 can attack the human immune systems natural killer cells this attack causes the killer cells to malfunction diminishing an important component in the immune systems fight against diseases also the herpesvirus 6 may be a factor in immune diseases such as aids in 1989 paolo lussos research found that herpesvirus 6 attacks another white cell the cd4 t lymphocyte which is the primary target of hiv lusso also found that herpesvirus 6 can hicnet medical newsletter page 44 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 kill natural killer cells scientists previously knew that the natural killer cells of patients infected with hiv do not work correctly lussos research represents the first time scientists have indicated that natural killer cells are vulnerable to any kind of viral attack according to anthony l komaroff a researcher with harvard medical school despite the test tube findings scientists are uncertain whether the same result occurs in the body lussos team also found that herpesvirus 6 produces the cd4 receptor molecule that provides access for hiv cd4 t lymphocytes express this surface receptor making them vulnerable to hivs attack researchers concluded that herpesvirus 6 cells can exacerbate the affects of hiv april 15 1993 aids and priorities in the global village to the editor journal of the american medical association 04 07 93 vol 269 no 13 p 1636 gellert george and nordenberg dale f all health care workers are obligated and responsible for not only ensuring that politicians understand the dimensions of certain health problems but also to be committed to related policies write george gellert and dale f nordenberg of the orange county health care agency santa ana calif and the emory university school of public health in atlanta ga respectively dr berkleys editorial on why american doctors should care about the aids epidemic beyond the united states details several reasons for the concerted interest that all countries share in combating aids it should be noted that while aids leads in hastening global health interdependence it is not the only illness doing so diseases such as malaria and many respiratory and intestinal pathogens have similarly inhibited the economic development of most of humanity and acted to marginalize large populations berkley mentions the enormous social and economic impact that aids will have on many developing countries and the increased need for international assistance that will result berkley also cites the lack of political aggressiveness toward the aids epidemic in its first decade but now there is a new administration with a promise of substantial differences in approach to international health and development in general and hiv aids in particular vice president al gore proposes in his book earth in the balance a major environmental initiative that includes sustainable international development with programs to promote literacy improve child survival and disseminate contraceptive technology and access throughout the developing world if enacted this change in policy could drastically change the future of worldwide health aids and priorities in the global village in reply journal of the american hicnet medical newsletter page 45 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 medical association 04 07 93 vol 269 no 13 p 1636 berkley seth every nation should tackle hiv as early and aggressively as possible before the disease reaches an endemic state even at a cost of diverting less attention to some other illnesses writes seth berkley of the rockefeller foundation in new york n y in reply to a letter by drs gellert and nordenberg although it is true that diseases other than aids such as malaria and respiratory and intestinal illnesses have similarly inhibited economic development in developing countries and deserve much more attention than they are getting berkley disagrees with the contention that aids is receiving too much attention hiv differs from other diseases in most developing countries because it is continuing to spread for most endemic diseases the outcome of neglecting interventions for one year is another year of about the same level of needless disease and death but with aids and its increasing spread the cost of neglect not only in disease burden but financially is much greater interventions in the early part of a rampantly spreading epidemic like hiv are highly cost effective because each individual infection prevented significantly interrupts transmission berkley says he agrees with gellert and nordenberg about the gigantic social and economic effects of aids and about the need for political leadership but he concludes that not only is assertive political leadership needed in the united states for the aids epidemic but even more so in developing countries with high rates of hiv infection and where complacency about the epidemic has been the rule hicnet medical newsletter page 46 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 aids hiv articles first hiv vaccine trial begins in hiv infected children h h s n e w s u s department of health and human services march 29 1993 first hiv vaccine therapy trial begins in hiv infected children the national institutes of health has opened the first trial of experimental hiv vaccines in children who are infected with the human immunodeficiency virus hiv the virus that causes aids the trial will compare the safety of three hiv experimental vaccines in 90 children recruited from at least 12 sites nationwide volunteers must be hiv infected but have no symptoms of hiv disease hhs secretary donna e shalala said this initial study can be seen as a hopeful milestone in our efforts to ameliorate the tragedy of hiv infected children who now face the certainty they will develop aids anthony s fauci m d director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases and of the nih office of aids research said the trial is the first step in finding out whether vaccines can help prevent or delay disease progression in children with hiv who are not yet sick if these vaccines prove to be safe more sophisticated questions about their therapeutic potential will be assessed in phase ii trials the centers for disease control and prevention estimates 10 000 children in the united states have hiv by the end of the decade the world health organization projects 10 million children will be infected worldwide the study will enroll children ages 1 month to 12 years old niaid which funds the aids clinical trials group network anticipates conducting the trial at nine actg sites around the country and three sites participating in the actg but funded by the national institute of child health and human development preliminary evidence from similar studies under way in infected adults shows that certain vaccines can boost existing hiv specific immune responses and hicnet medical newsletter page 47 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 stimulate new ones it will be several years however before researchers know how these responses affect the clinical course of the disease the results from the pediatric trial known as actg 218 will be examined closely for other reasons as well this trial will provide the first insight into how the immature immune system responds to candidate hiv vaccines said daniel hoth m d director of niaids division of aids we need this information to design trials to test whether experimental vaccines can prevent hiv infection in children in the united states most hiv infected children live in poor inner city areas and more than 80 percent are minorities mainly black or hispanic nearly all hiv infected children acquire the virus from their mothers during pregnancy or at birth an infected mother in the united states has more than a one in four chance of transmitting the virus to her baby as growing numbers of women of childbearing age become exposed to hiv through injection drug use or infected sexual partners researchers expect a corresponding increase in the numbers of infected children hiv disease progresses more rapidly in infants and children than in adults the most recent information suggests that 50 percent of infants born with hiv develop a serious aids related infection by 3 to 6 years of age these infections include severe or frequent bouts of common bacterial illnesses of childhood that can result in seizures pneumonia diarrhea and other symptoms leading to nutritional problems and long hospital stays at least half of the children in the trial will be 2 years of age or younger to enable comparison of the immune responses of the younger and older participants all volunteers must have well documented hiv infection but no symptoms of hiv disease other than swollen lymph glands or a mildly swollen liver or spleen they cannot have received any anti retroviral or immune regulating drugs within one month prior to their entry into the study study chair john s lambert m d of the university of rochester medical school and co chair samuel katz m d of duke university school of medicine will coordinate the trial assisted by james mcnamara m d medical officer in the pediatric medicine branch of niaids division of aids we will compare the safety of the vaccines by closely monitoring the children for any side effects to see if one vaccine produces more swollen arms or fevers for example than another said dr mcnamara well also look at whether low or high doses of the vaccines stimulate immune responses or other significant laboratory or clinical effects he emphasized that the small study size precludes comparing these responses or effects among the three hicnet medical newsletter page 48 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 products the trial will test two doses each of three experimental vaccines made from recombinant hiv proteins these so called subunit vaccines each genetically engineered to contain only a piece of the virus have so far proved well tolerated in ongoing trials in hiv infected adults one vaccine made by microgenesys inc of meriden conn contains gp160 a protein that gives rise to hivs surface proteins plus alum adjuvant adjuvants boost specific immune responses to a vaccine presently alum is the only adjuvant used in human vaccines licensed by the food and drug administration both of the other vaccines one made by genentech inc of south san francisco and the other by biocine a joint venture of chiron and ciba geigy in emeryville calif contain the major hiv surface protein gp120 plus adjuvant the genentech vaccine contains alum while the biocine vaccine contains mf59 an experimental adjuvant that has proved safe and effective in other phase i vaccine trials in adults a low dose of each product will be tested first against a placebo in 15 children twelve children will be assigned at random to be immunized with the experimental vaccine and three children will be given adjuvant alone considered the placebo neither the health care workers nor the children will be told what they receive if the low dose is well tolerated controlled testing of a higher dose of the experimental vaccine and adjuvant placebo in another group of 15 children will begin each child will receive six immunizations one every four weeks for six months and be followed up for 24 weeks after the last immunization for more information about the trial sites or eligibility for enrollment call the aids clinical trials information service 1 800 trials a from 9 a m to 7 p m est weekdays the service has spanish speaking information specialists available information on niaids pediatric hiv aids research is available from the office of communications at 301 496 5717 nih cdc and fda are agencies of the u s public health service in hhs for press inquiries only please call laurie k doepel at 301 402 1663 hicnet medical newsletter page 49 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 new evidence that the hiv can cause disease independently news from the national institute of dental research there is new evidence that the human immunodeficiency virus can cause disease independently of its ability to suppress the immune system say scientists at the national institues of health they report that hiv itself not an opportunistic infection caused scaling skin conditions to develop in mice carrying the genes for hiv although the hiv genes were active in the mice they did not compromise the animals immunity the researchers found this led them to conclude that the hiv itself caused the skin disease our findings support a growing body of evidence that hiv can cause disease without affecting the immune system said lead author dr jeffrey kopp of the national institute of dental research nidr dr kopp and his colleagues described their study in the march issue of aids research and human retroviruses developing animal models of hiv infection has been difficult since most animals including mice cannot be infected by the virus to bypass this problem scientists have developed hiv transgenic mice which carry genes for hiv as well as their own genetic material nidr scientists created the transgenic mice by injecting hiv genes into mouse eggs and then implanting the eggs into female mice the resulting litters contained both normal and transgenic animals institute scientists had created mice that carried a complete copy of hiv genetic material in l988 those mice however became sick and died too soon after birth to study in depth in the present study the scientists used an incomplete copy of hiv which allowed the animals to live longer some of the transgenic animals developed scaling wart like tumors on their necks and backs other transgenic mice developed thickened crusting skin lesions that covered most of their bodies resembling psoriasis in humans no skin lesions developed in their normal non transgenic littermates studies of tissue taken from the wart like skin tumors showed that they were a type of noncancerous tumor called papilloma although the papillomavirus can cause these skin lesions laboratory tests showed no sign of that virus in the animals tissue samples taken from the sick mice throughout the study revealed the presence of a protein producing molecule made by the hiv genetic material hicnet medical newsletter page 50 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 evidence of hiv protein production proved that the viral genes were turned on or active said dr kopp the scientists found no evidence however of compromised immunity in the mice no increase in their white blood cell count and no signs of common infections the fact that hiv genes were active but the animals immune systems were not suppressed confirms that the virus itself was causing the skin lesions dr kopp said further proof of hiv gene involvement came from a test in which the scientists exposed the transgenic animals to ultraviolet light the light increased hiv genetic activity causing papillomas to develop on formerly healthy skin papilloma formation in response to increased hiv genetic activity proved the genes were responsible for the skin condition the scientists said no lesions appeared on normal mice exposed to the uv light the transgenic mice used in this study were developed at nidr by dr peter dickie who is now with the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases collaborating on the study with dr kopp were mr charles wohlenberg drs nickolas dorfman joseph bryant abner notkins and paul klotman all of nidr dr stephen katz of the national cancer institute and dr james rooney formerly with nidr and now with burroughs wellcome hicnet medical newsletter page 51 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 clinical consultation telephone service for aids h h s n e w s u s department of health and human services march 4 1993 hhs secretary donna e shalala today announced the first nationwide clinical consultation telephone service for doctors and other health care professionals who have questions about providing care to people with hiv infection or aids the toll free national hiv telephone consulting service is staffed by a physician a nurse practitioner and a pharmacist it provides information on drugs clinical trials and the latest treatment methods the service is funded by the health resources and services administration and operates out of san francisco general hospital secretary shalala said one goal of this project is to share expertise so patients get the best care a second goal is to get more primary health care providers involved in care for people with hiv or aids which reduces treatment cost by allowing patients to remain with their medical providers and community social support networks currently many providers refer patients with hiv or aids to specialists or other providers who have more experience secretary shalala said this clinical expertise should be especially helpful for physicians and providers who treat people with hiv or aids in communities and clinical sites where hiv expertise is not readily available the telephone number for health care professionals is 1 800 933 3413 and it is accessible from 10 30 a m to 8 p m est 7 30 a m to 5 p m pst monday through friday during these times consultants will try to answer questions immediately or within an hour at other times physicians and health care providers can leave an electronic message and questions will be answered as quickly as possible health care professionals may call the service to ask any question related to providing hiv care including the latest hiv aids drug treatment information clinical trials information subspecialty case referral literature searches and other information the service is designed for health care professionals rather than patients families or others who have alternate sources of information or materials when a health care professional calls the new service the call is taken by either a clinical pharmacist primary care physician or family nurse practitioner all staff members have extensive experience in outpatient and inpatient primary care for people with hiv related diseases the consultant asks for patient specific information including cd4 cell count current medications sex age and the patients hiv history this national service has grown out of a 16 month local effort that hicnet medical newsletter page 52 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 responded to nearly 1 000 calls from health care providers in northern california the initial project was funded by hrsas bureau of health professions through its community provider aids training cpat project and by the american academy of family physicians when providers expand their knowledge they also improve the quality of care they are able to provide to their patients said hrsa administrator robert g harmon m d m p h this project will be a great resource for health care professionals and the hiv aids patients they serve this service has opened a new means of communication between health care professionals and experts on hiv care management said hrsas associate administrator for aids and director of the bureau of health resources development g stephen bowen m d m p h providers who treat people with hiv or aids have access to the latest information on new drugs treatment methods and therapies for people with hiv or aids hrsa is one of eight u s public health service agencies within hhs aids hotline numbers for consumers cdc national aids hotline 1 800 342 aids for information in spanish 1 800 344 sida aids clinical trials english spanish 1 800 trials a hicnet medical newsletter page 53 cut here this is the last part internet david stat com fax 1 602 451 1165 bitnet atw1h asuacad fidonet 1 114 15 amateur packet ax25 wb7tpy wb7tpy az usa na cars val 1 vs bel966sti was re best radar detector in article 1993apr22 204921 12644 convex com tobias convex com allen tobias wrote i live in the backyard of the folks who make the stalker radar system the valentine 1 has saved me many many many times from the stealth revenue enhancement traps of the local area i have had all the major brand detectors and imho nothing else even comes close to the v1 i hadnt heard of the valentine 1 before car driver and other auto magazines recommend bel detectors i was considering their latest the 966sti which picks up super wideband ka and laser as well it also avoids radar detector detectors although i really dont care about this since i doubt ill be driving in virginia anytime soon or have any other states also made detectors iilegal how does the valentine 1 compare with the bel products brian donnell windows re windows speaker sound driver in article 1993apr19 235430 6097 mnemosyne cs du edu alee mnemosyne cs du edu alec lee writes is there an ftp site where i can get the ms speaker sound driver theres a sound exe file that claims to be the driver but im suspicious since its not a drv file thats the file tony annese claebaur shell portal com or claebaur cup portal com windows program manager two questions 1 is it possible to change the icons in the program groups id like to give them some individuality 2 can you set up a short cut key to return to the program manager i know ctl esc esc will do it but id rather set it up so i can avoid the task list and get back to the p m with alt f1 any and all help is welcomed help stamp out stupid signature files gerry swetsky wb9ebo vpnet public access unix and usenet home 708 833 8122 vpnet 708 833 8126 lisbon vpnet chi il us guns re militia incredibly long in article c5n0vy ej6 ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge writes in article 1qna9m nq8 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes again my response is so what is mr rutledge arguing that since the local and federal governments have abandoned their charter to support such activity and passed laws prohibiting private organizations from doing so that they have eliminated the basis for the rkba on the contrary to anyone who understands the game they have strengthened it no i originally argued that the second amendment was a little bit and an anachronism these prohibiting laws are examples why the are an anachronism after all laws in made by representatives of the people these representatives of the people have already decided that the second amendment does not apply or is too broad in some cases since these representatives feel an unconditional interpretation is not wanted then it is probable that they majority of the people feel the same way if this is so it is an example of the people using their power of government if this is not how the people feel the people should stand up and state their wishes ill point out that the whole point of the difficult amendment process was to require a super majority to change the supreme law making it impossible for a majority of the people to simply change the law on a whim simply changing the meaning based on the representatives of the people effectively destroys the amendment process the states you know are also entitled to a say under that process mox nix mr rutledge you are the only one here claiming that the rkba is dependent on the existence of a top flight well regulated militia why this is a false assumption has already been posted a number of times no i simple stated that the people have a right to join a well organized militia ill note that that right could be considered protected under the first amendments protection of peaceful assembly unless you would consider a militia inherently non peaceful then theyve stated the same thing twice david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al cars re importing volvo there was an article in business week not more the 4 weeks ago on this very subject in fact the volvo 850 was one of the cars they laid out an example for andrew e page warrior poet decision and effort the archer and arrow mac consultant the difference between what we are macintosh and dsp technology and what we want to be windows re win nt file systems in article 1993apr26 103230 10618 spider co uk keiths spider co uk keith smith writes ok will some one out there tell me why how dos 5 can read i havnt tried writing in case it breaks something the win nt ntfs file system i thought ntfs was supposed to be better than the fat system keith dos 5 0 6 0 cannot read the ntfs file system although the ntfs file system can read the fat file system of dos i have windowsnt on a seperate partition on my machine at home and i can read my dos disks from windows nt but not vice versa as far as the robustness of the file system it seems to be very fast and i have yet to have a single problem with it that doesnt prove its better than the fat system though read the book inside windows nt it will give you all the info youre looking for scott scott reimert reimert mamacass etdesg trw com standard disclaimer redondo beach ca blah blah blah always store beer in a cool dark place guns re constitutionality of 18 u s c 922 o brians atlastele com brian sheets writes you know i was reading 18 u s c 922 and something just did not make sence and i was wondering if someone could help me out say u s c 922 1 except as provided in paragraph 2 it shall be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun well i got to looking in my law dictionary and i found that a person might also be an artificial entity that is created by government and has no rights under the federal constitution so what i dont understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on an individual so someone tell me how my government can tell me what i can or cannot possess just passing a law does not make it law everyone knows that laws are constitional until it goes to court so has it ever gone to court not just your run of the mill ok i had it i am guilty put me in jail has anyone ever claimed that they had a right to possess and was told by the supreme court that they didnt have that right brian sheets truck what truck support engineer o o atlas telecom inc raiders of the lost ark brians atlastele com u im not a lawyer but to the best of my understanding the congress has no more rights than what is enumerated in the constitution that is the prime reason why the national firearms act is based on collecting revenue since the congress has the authority to levy taxes the nfa is a tax act and the registration requirement within it is to assist in that tax collection u s c 922 in order to be constitutional must have a basis on a particular authority granted to the congress by the constitution congress can not arbitrarily ban a substance or product that is why prohibition came into effect only by passing an ammendment what you said about constitutionality of law needs to be clarified i believe that an unconstitutional law was never constitutional when a law is determined by the supreme court to be unconstitutional that law was never really a law the very nature of the law being unconstitutional invalidates the law at its inception please correct me if im wrong but when a law is deemed to be unconstitutional anyone convicted of breaking that law is absolved i dont believe u s c 922 has ever been challenged in court nfa has been invalidated in two federal district court cases one may have been appellate level u s vs rock island armory and u s vs dalton windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article c6bgzv 7mk uceng uc edu bferrell ant occ uc edu brett ferrell writes in article 1993apr30 172938 6386 samba oit unc edu dil admin mhs unc edu dave laudicina writes microsoft is the largest software company on the planet yet i cannot think of even one computing concept that they innovated and brought to market before anyone else xerox parc apple osborne next gnu and others have been pioneers and led the way to the future of computing what has microsoft done to be a technological leader i posted this question before but i got nary a reply i make the challenge now to anyone who can come up with something especially microsoft employees i get no response this time i guess it pretty much assures me that there is none which is what i suspect anyway really when you come down to it who cares i just hope ms keeps doing what they do best getting usable productive software to the masses thx dave l if you think that windows is useable you must not use it much windows version of crash protection is wearing a helmet while computing the arir air bag is an expensive add on brett ladies gentlemen please keep this discussion in comp os ms windows advocacy where it belongs thank you john a grant jagrant emr1 emr ca airborne geophysics geological survey of canada ottawa john a grant jagrant emr1 emr ca airborne geophysics geological survey of canada ottawa medicine re krillean photography poor persons kirlian photography try this at home 1 hold your hand up to a cold window 2 look closely at the stunning corona effects around your fingertips 3 remove hand from window and observe after image 4 invent crackpot theory to explain the effect guns hr 1276 a gun law i can live with 103d congress 1st session h r 1276 to establish the right to obtain firearms for security and to use firearms in defense of self family or home and to provide for the enforcement of such right in the house of representatives march 10 1993 mr bartlett introduced the following bill which was referred to the committee on the judiciary a bill to establish the right to obtain firearms for security and to use firearms in defense of self family or home and to provide for the enforcement of such right be it enacted by the senate and house of representa tives of the united states of america in congress assembled section 1 short title this act may be cited as the citizens self defense act of 1993 sec 2 right to obtain firearms for security and to use firearms in defense of self family or home enforcement a establishment of right a person not pro hibited by federal law from receiving a firearm shall have the right to obtain firearms for security and to use fire arms in defense of self family or home b firearm defined as used in subsection a the term firearm means a 1 shotgun as defined in section 921 a 5 of title 18 united states code 2 rifle as defined in section 921 a 7 of such title or 3 handgun as defined in section 10 of public law 99 408 c enforcement of right 1 in general a person whose right under subsection a is violated in any manner may bring an action in any united states district court against the united states any state or any person for damages injunctive relief and such other relief as the court deems appropriate 2 authority to award a reasonable at torneys fee in an action brought under para graph 1 the court in its discretion may allow the prevailing party other than a state a reasonable attorneys fee as part of the costs d statute of limitations an action may not be brought under subsection c 1 after the 5 year period that begins with the date the violation described therein is discovered end of hr 1276 well this sounds good to me the key is section 2 c 2 which will effectively open up the federal court system to all the folks who cant afford to adopt an attorney with whom to fight city hall all of you whove been saying hey isnt that illegal could just go hire your own attorneys on a pay if you win contingency fee basis and sue the bums what you can do now 1 write your representative and ask them to co sponsor hr 1276 2 write representative roscoe bartlett the sponsor representative roscoe bartlett 312 cannon house office building washington d c 20515 to tell him who your own representative is and that youve asked them to join him as a co sponsor of hr 1276 3 contact gun owners of america gun owners of america 8001 forbes place springfield virginia 22151 which has committed to lobby on behalf of hr 1276 4 for those of us with a realjob tm find out how to reach representative bartletts campaign fund im working on it and toss in a few bucks you can bet your bippy that hes going to be one of the hci targets in the next election which isnt that far away 1994 5 tell your family friends gun club etc enjoy guns re newspapers censoring gun advertisements andy freeman andy sail stanford edu wrote newspaper ad censorship san fran independent san fran examiner san jose mercury news 1201 evans ave 110 5th st 750 ridder park dr san fran ca 94124 san fran ca 94103 san jose ca 95190 hmmm the sj merc carries targemasters west national shooting club reeds sportshop sportsmens supply and big 5 ads they all sell guns no they dont have any adds like in shotgun news if they wont at least run the current adds i swear ill cancel my subscription and end to cash to the crpa rob p medicine re what are the problems with nutrasweet aspartame hbloom moose uvm edu heather writes nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than sugar some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces when it degrades nutrasweet it is thought to form formaldehyde and known to for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate substances the real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde produced are high enough to cause significant damage as both are toxic to living cells all i can say is that i will not consume it phenylalanine is nothing for you to worry about it is an amino acid and everyone uses small quantities of it for protein synthesis in the body some people have a disease known as phenylketoneurea and they are missing the enzyme necessary to degrade this compound and eliminate it from the body for them it will accumulate in the body and in high levels this is toxic to growing nerve cells therefore it is only a major problem in young children until around age 10 or so or women who are pregnant and have this disorder it used to be a leading cause of brain damage in infants but now it can be easily detected at birth and then one must simply avoid comsumption of phenylalanine as a child or when pregnant heather if i remember rightly pku syndrome in infants is about 1 1200 they lack two genes and people who lack one gene are supposed to be 1 56 persons those with pku have to avoid naturally occuring phenylalanine and those who only have one gene and underproduce whatever it is they are supposed to be producing are supposed to be less tolerant of aspartame the methol formaldahyde thing was supposed to occur with heating i dont drink it i figure sugar was made for a reason to quickly and easily satiate hungry people if you dont need the calories its just as easy to drink water used to drink a six pack a aday of aspartame soda dont even drink one coke a day when sugared cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article 1993apr22 180150 12377 telxon mis telxon com joes telxon mis telxon com joe staudt writes in article 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes i am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines v4 i dont know of any because there is no such thing a friend had a ford taunus era early 60s that did have a v4 in it i lost a bet on it i find it hard to believe there are no recent cars with a v4 in them any recent ones spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology delco electronics 317 451 0815 gm hughes electronics kokomo in 46904 i post therefore i armm cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico in article buck 735568034 granite buck granite ma30 bull com ken buck writes unless you live in an area that gets frequent damaging hail storms nahhh only about once a week march through may and sometimes in the fall cars 2 camrys eating clutch master cyls i have both an 84 and an 86 camry each with manual 5 speed transmissions the 84 has about 105 000 miles on it and the 86 about 83 000 miles about a year ago i found that the master cylinder on the clutch in the 84 was leaking fluid around the piston seal leading to air in the system and fluid back into the passenger compartment of the car i pulled the plunger and got a rebuild kit new plunger seal etc and thought i had the problem licked much to my surprise the same problem developed several months later this time i looked carefully at the master cylinder to make sure there were no scratches burrs or other obvious causes of the problem i didnt find any ever since i have been periodically feeding the clutch hydraulins additional fluid and bleeding air from the system i knew i would be selling the car and didnt want to go all the way to solving the problem i should add that the clutch is original and that ive had to adjust the pedal to allow maximum extension of the piston into the master cylinder in order to actuate the clutch my hypothesis is that this means that when fully depressing the clutch pedal the angle of the piston rod attached to the pedal is off the axix of the cylinder thus cocking the piston and seal and perhaps deforming it what do you think of that as an explanation can you suggest a possible fix short of replacing the master cylinder and getting a new clutch put in now the 86 same problem except that the above diagnosis doesnt explain why all of the fluid leaked out by way of the master cylinder into the passenger compartment while i was on vacation for 10 days during which the clutch pedal was not depressed or otherwise caused to distort what can you suggest here many thanks lets hope i dont end up going to click and clack on this bill christens barry cerulean access digex com cars left turn signal wont stop automaticaly the subject says it all my 1984 chev s10 pickups left turn signal does not stop after turning what cause this to stop automaticaly is this a mechanical problem by the steering wheel note this truck has an after market steering wheel gt grant installed baseball re braves pitching updatedir in article 1993apr15 214032 1 acad drake edu sbp002 acad drake edu writes not clear to me at all id certainly rather have a team who was winning 4 1 games than 2 1 games in the 2 1 game luck is going to play a much bigger role than in the 4 1 game but you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to one run yeah but whats your point you still need the offense to score more runs than you allow too the braves do have a fine pitching staff but thats still only half the game sherri nichols snichols adobe com baseball rules on line well im finally about to key in the official rules for the archives but before i do i will ask again does anybody have the official mlb rules in electronic format just trying to save myself a ton of work no they dont scan well because of the ridiculous format theyre printed in thanks matt matt wall wall cc swarthmore edu hey i gotta job here ok april 6 1993 boston red sox seize first place guns re need info on 43 1 and suicide for refutation entropic destroyer loki acca nmsu edu wrote i have seen these numbers quoted before and i have seen very specific refutation of them quoted as well if someone will be so kind as to email the relevant information i will write a letter to the editor of the co daily which might get published and send a copy to usn wr as well thanks to all who responded the letter has been written making liberal use of info provided by various net folks and handed to the paper ill post if it gets into the paper dan dod 202 loki acca nmsu edu liberty or death taylordf ucsu colorado edu send me something even you cant read begin pgp public key block version 2 1 mqcnaitfksqaaaeeakceejwi9f5kmjykp0logc5dghrpbmy2xhoo8kpehmdyuf8a 1bfdqsj53kostz6hroshsdzlvul1 40vpjmmntfr vyz4jvd3rl4iuq2ummmex3m itf3ult8xn v qabsvhcfshvjvk4lf6wosucmo03m2tix31ai7vb0uzo4yxjaaux tcreyw5pzwwgribuyxlsb3igpexva2laywnjys5ubxn1lmvkdt4 s5ib end pgp public key block baseball phils spot on espn a few weeks ago i posted about the phillies team personalities did anyone see the espn feature on the phils on monday night john kruk had a great line he was talking about people on the team always playing and not sitting out because of a minor injury he said if they do they know well kick their ass the time i saw in was in the afternoon and it was not bleeped when i saw it at they bleeped ass mitch williams talked about the team being a bunch of throwaways from other teams and that is why they are so close kruk said that they all get along this year last year he said they hated the pitchers i assume he was joking but he always keeps a straight face when he talks oh what a team rob koffler you live day to day and rkoffler ux4 cso uiuc edu dream about tomorrow don henley windows re using microsoft foundation classes with borland c 3 1 thanks for the info i assume that this is for mfc 1 0 does anyone know if this will work with mfc 2 0 or what else needs to be done thanks andy jacobs baseball re ny mets trivia question in article 1993apr23 141137 6161 e2big mko dec com francus e2big mko dec com yoseff francus writes in article 13761 news duke edu simon hercules acpub duke edu writes name three ex met pitchers that have lost to every team in the majors except colorado and florida which two also defeated every team in the majors dan nolan ryan qualifies on both counts i would guess that viola is the other one who has beaten and also lost to every team in the majors viola has only played in the nl with the mets not possible for him to have defeated or lost to every team ditto for tanana who was mentioned in a previous post the 3rd pitcher to lose to every team is probably tom seaver but it could be koosman i dont remember if seaver managed to get a win against the white sox in his brief sojourn with boston so id say the other pitcher to defeat every team is either mike torrez he bounced around enough for a long enough period of time or koosman as mentioned i would also guess that if one of these two did not manage to beat every team he did manage to lose to every team tom thomas talavage purdue university electrical engineering grad student grad school the greatest time of ones life where they pay you to do what you have spent the last 16 years becoming good at cars re manual shift bigots jahonen cc lut fi jarmo ahonen writes kissane black berkeley edu john g kissane writes as a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the us while here in europe they are rare just wondering many cars sold here in finland are small and cheap cars at least when compared to other cars note that we have over 120 car tax and you couldnt expect a good auto mated to a 1 3 l engine most of the bigger cars are however sold with autos here in australia most cars are manual privately owned anyway why not sure i think it has something to do with the fact that our car industry in the past was more closely aligned with europe than the us in the past now its aligned with asia scott scott fisher scott psy uwa oz au ph aus 61 perth 09 local 380 3272 n department of psychology w e university of western australia perth 32s 116e s nedlands 6009 perth w a v joy is a jaguar xj6 with a flat battery a blown oil seal and an unsympathetic wife 9km outside of a small remote town 3 15am on a cold wet winters morning baseball re pleasant yankee surprises in article 1993apr15 231903 4045 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article 1993apr15 200629 7200 alleg edu luriem alleg edu michael lurie the liberalizer writes actually i kind of liked the abott trade we did trade the rookie of the year snow but with don mattingly at first for another 8 years why bother id be willing to make two wagers 1 snow doesnt win roy 2 mattingly is out of baseball within five years no you are quite correct but i was using some wishful thinking jt snow was wasting away while abbott can provide a great resourse for the team baseball re mvp 92 revisited total baseball which also tries to evaluate a players total offensive and defensive contributions gives barry bonds a total player rating of 9 0 for 1992 only one other player since ruth attained that mark cal ripken for his 1984 season rounding out the top five offensive players in the nl last season sheffield 5 9 sandberg 5 8 van slyke 5 3 and larkin 4 7 the top 5 offensive players in the al in 1992 were e martinez 4 8 ventura 4 8 anderson 4 5 r henderson 4 4 and thomas 4 4 in short total baseball says bonds enjoyed one of the best seasons ever in the games history better than any year had by mantle mays williams etc if you disagree dont flame me flame the writers of total baseball also martinez and ventura are neck and neck so given the shortcomings of any statistical analysis which one had the better year can be considered a toss up thus total baseball supports your choices of bonds and ventura as the mvps of 1992 phil brown aka pb6755 csc albany edu guns re backcountry confidence in article c5l02e 8gh murdoch acc virginia edu rbw3q rayleigh mech virginia edu brad whitehurst writes the rest of us fall in the middle there is too much violent crime in the u s but turning the whole country into an old time dodge city ref to american old west is not the way thats an interesting statement theres quite a difference between hollywoods old west and the real one yes there were drunks saloons mining camps and thugs however as mcgrath showed the thugs preyed almost exclusively on one another mcgrath claims that this was due to the fact that no one much cared if someone who insisted on getting into a fight got his way even if he lost while they really did care when thugs preyed on others citizens should be able to own weapons but we see no sense in some types we havent figured out that those distinctions dont actually work machine guns have been strictly regulated since 1934 said regulation is both perfect legally owned machine guns arent ever used criminally and a complete waste of time the criminal use of machine guns hasnt change at all the result were now arguing about guns that look like machine guns but are no different than other guns andy windows re vesa driver for ibm xga in gmichael 28 736186695 vmd cso uiuc edu gmichael vmd cso uiuc edu gary r michael writes can anyone tell me where to find a standard vesa display driver that will support the on the motherboard xga video of a 486 50mz dx2 ibm model 95 8595 0lf i need to use 640 x 480 and higher resolutions under both windows 3 1 and ms dos minimum colors 256 at highest resolution with 64k colors needed at 640 x 480 the ibm xga svga vesa driver is on the 2 02 reference diskette available from the ibm bbs its also on compu erve or you can bang on your sales rep to get you a later version dick kaul my opinions only not official ibm positions etc ibm xga development theyd make me wear a suit if i were to speak for ibm boca raton fl the use of unnecessary violence in the apprehension kaul vnet ibm com of the blues brothers has been approved guns re bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks in article 1993apr22 175410 23214 starbase trincoll edu writes freed om of religion has absolutely nothing to do with building a small arsenal and grooming 10 year old children to be your wife ill come out as soon as i finish my manuscript on the seven seals oh ok david i agree that koresh was as much of a victim as a perpetrator this because he grew up inside the cult and engaged in a power struggle where his supporters helped inflate his ego that doesnt change the fact that he was a loose fucking cannon with a shitload of serious weapons or that he was banging thirteen year olds and twisting their impressionable little minds this was no move fuck up a helicoptor was thermal imaging the compound that afternoon and detected three fires erupting almost simultaneously there were no cs canisters a specially modified abrams was pupming the stuff in no chance of starting a fire there kerosene lamps maybe one but not three fires no way koresh wasnt just talking out of his ass i expected this to happen maybe they wanted it to look like murder he had 50 days i think this was coming the whole time he didnt even put the children in the buried bus or the underground bunker during the cs seige he put them up into the tower to die fuck all of you big brother paranoid freaks the only good thing to come of any of this is that there will be one less group of crazoids to attract some of the more rootless members of our society joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu i have not made up my mind about waco but there sure seems to be a group of devoted government following fanatics willing to believe whatever that government wants to tell them without any shred of doubt nor thought of thier own they sure get shrill whenever their belief structure is being shaken kinda reminds you of the bds doesnt it jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 cars wanted opinions on 75 mg i was wondering if anyone out in net land have any opinions on mgs in general i know they are not the most reliable cars around but summer is approaching and they are convertibles 8 im interested in a 75 mg but any opinions on mgs would be appreciated thanks dave dave kai chui chu dept of elec comp eng concordia university voice 514 848 3115 1455 de maisonneuve w h915 fax 514 848 2802 montreal quebec canada h3g 1m8 email davec ece concordia ca cars re super mega automobile sighting s exotics together in article 1qvgg3innl0r phantom gatech edu graham e thomas grahamt phantom gatech edu writes alright beat this automobile sighting i can top that one friday afternoon 4 16 93 i look out my window in long beach ca what do i see but the new ferrari i looks like a mix between the ragtop testarossa sp and the batman car it seems ferrari had their annual dinner at the place downstairs sweet car j b religion re rfd misc taoism in article 1993apr21 172806 679 megatek com tims megatek com writes let us not limit misc taoism to philosophy but if we dont limit it to something the discussion degenerates into a big amorphous glob hmm are you a taoist imposing limits does do something useful it gives you something to go beyond it seems to me that these questions more properly fall into the category of general metaphysics i would prefer any misc taoism to deal more closely with topics and works more closely associated with at least semi orthodox taoism with established classic works definitely included and works like mantak chias argued about i tend to be a bit critical of any stratification of taoism i especially tend to frown on any suggestion that orthodoxy or classics have any special place in tao i think neo taoism should be excluded or get its own group what i mean by this is humpty dumpty taoism in which taoism means whatever a poster says it means this alt taoism could also be a refuge for debates about what taoism really means or speculations on sexual alchemy etc so rather than debate what taoism really means you are suggesting that we take someone elses word for it and work thusly id rather not thank you whats happening is that that the term taoism is becoming completely polluted and trivialized like the words magic alchemy zen etc by writers appropriating the word to mean whatever they want this is seen by the spate of new age books entitled the tao of this that and everything else whereas you of course have a clear idea of what the word means can you tell the tao any other comments ideas i look forward to seeing them on balance i say let misc taoism rip and let the chips fall where they may wonderful idea it just gets filled up with college freshmen asking about the tao of sex then it will have been a failure and people will post to these groups just as they do now only if you choose to define failure in that way or to define it at all i believe in the flesh and the appetites seeing hearing and feeling are miracles and each part and tag of me is a miracle walt whitman guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r5a7jinn83g charnel ecst csuchico edu nomad ecst csuchico edu michael larish writes in article c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu bill green writes 2 could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome this i doubt while i question the atfs initial raid i believe that the remainder of the standoff was handled fairly well with the single exception of the psychological warfare by blaring music etc i think that was uncalled for and probably hindered the outcome but suppose they had waited the worst outcome would have been the one that actually did but with the fbi atf just standing there watching instead of being a part of the problem it then would have been very clear exactly who was at fault then rather than the way it turned out and that would have been the worst case the best would have been they finally get hungry and come out possible likely well the alternative was worse one other point im no fan of janet reno but i do like the way she had the balls to go ahead and take full responsibility seems like the waffle boy had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue which is actually rather refreshing nowadays most of the time the higher ups claim i dont remember or i had no involvement but what does it matter why say i dont remember when it doesnt make any difference altho the clintonettes have been pretty good at lying when it wasnt necessary they didnt do it this time but it wasnt necessary claiming full responsibility is a totall meaningless gesture symbolism over substance again ive offered to take full responsibility when do they pay me the big bucks the ag is making bob rahe delaware tech comm college aids drugs abortion internet bob hobbes dtcc edu dont liberals just kill you ci 72406 525 genie bob rahe save whales and kill babies medicine re any info on vasomotor rhinitis in article 1r1t1a njq europa eng gtefsd com draper gnd1 wtp gtefsd com writes i recently attended an allery seminar steroid nasal sprays were discussed afterward on a one on one basis i asked the speaker what if none of the vancanese beconase nasalide nasalcort or nasalchrom work nor do any oral decongestants work she replied that she saw an article on vasomotor rhinitis that this is not an allergic reaction and that nothing other than the afrins and such would work which in my case is true there has been some recent research on vasomotor rhinitis that shows that ipratroprium bromide atrovent inhaled nasally is an effective treatment for many sufferers it has been approved for this use and is available with a nasal adaptor in canada in the us the fda has yet to approve this use of the drug but it is available as an oral inhaler for copd and these can be adapted for intranasal use kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer religion biblical contradictions answered judas i posted this several days ago for dave butler he may have missed it my usenet board has changed a little just in case he missed it here it is again dave butler writes from daveb pogo wv tek com dave butler newsgroups talk religion misc subject re new biblical contradictions fallaciously answered judas date thu apr 1 20 52 11 1993 i can basically restrict this post to showing the type of evidence mr decenso has presented and answering his two questions and a couple of his spurious insults and false claims my reply o k db by the way mr decenso you really should have looked in the index of your bauer arndt gingrich greek lexicon you would have found that the word in acts for lot is kleros not chorion as stated by mr archer and nowhere in the very large discussion of kleros in done the to theological dictionary of the new testament by bromley is the meaning burial plot discussed it discusses the forms of kleros eg kleros kleroo etc and the various meanings of kleros eg plot of land and inheritance but mentions nothing about chorion or burial plot why does this not surprise me thus it would seem to be a very good thing you dumped archer as a reference db later corrected himself from daveb pogo wv tek com dave butler newsgroups talk religion misc subject re new biblical contradictions fallaciously answered judas date fri apr 2 02 32 11 1993 i owe the group an apology it is my habit to check my articles before and after their submission for errors in my last article i stated by the way mr decenso you really should have looked in the index of your bauer arndt gingrich greek lexicon you would have found that the word in acts for lot is kleros not chorion as stated by mr archer and nowhere in the very large discussion of kleros in done the to theological dictionary of the new testament by bromley is the meaning burial plot discussed it discusses the forms of kleros eg kleros kleroo etc and the various meanings of kleros eg plot of land and inheritance but mentions nothing about chorion or burial plot why does this not surprise me thus it would seem to be a very good thing you dumped archer as a reference i was wrong i admit that i do not have a handle on greek grammar and thus confused kleros the second to last word in acts 1 17 as being the plot of land discussed in actuality it is chorion which is the last word acts 1 18 unfortunately my greek dictionary does not discuss chorion so i cannot report as to the nuances of the word i dont know if someone else would have caught this though i am sure that someone would be able to do so but i have an aversion to disseminating mistakes especially when someone else might use that mistake to prove a point my reply vary noble of you dave i didnt want to have to go to x number of sources to show you wrong although i am researching chorion a little db of course the only other reference mr decenso has given is bullinger and bullinger uses such ridiculous exegisis that when i accused mr decenso of actually believing bullinger he replied that i misquoted him and you maintain that you find such exegesis convincing oh dear my reply your misquotes of me are astounding dave read the beginning of this part of my response to see what i really said in my posting of this article actually mr decenso you said that there was benefit to our argument in that it caused to to rediscover bullingers exegisis i did not realize that you would find such garbage beneficial unless you were convinced by it my reply thank you for correcting your restating of my points db and mr decenso also replied dave these are not necessarily my views they are bullingers we will discuss the land issue in later posts im sure im only responding to this one you have directed re bullingers views because its enjoyable thus i apologize for thinking that even mr decenso could find such drek convincing he should specify which parts of bullinger he finds convincing and quit hiding behind a disingenuous mask of this is what bullinger believed not necessarily what i believe so which is it mr decenso do you find the exegisis convincing or not my reply one of my purposes in debating these alleged contradictions with you and others is to diseminate many different views of possible reconciliations raised by various bible scholars and students alike when i present my views i will clearly distinguish them from now on db of course without archer and bullinger we find that mr decenso has presented no greek exegisis at all and mr decenso has made a big thing about my not referring back to the actual greek thus we find this demand on his part for quality greek exegisis to be a hypocritical requirement my reply good point but in your declaring that these passages are contradictory you have produced only superficial reasonings and observations nor have you dug deeper im glad you have begun in this post i will begin greek studies on these passages in more depth than i thought necessary as well db it would be appropriate to look at what mr decenso has actually used as evidence now we know what he claims for a standard as he has stated it often enough a the text itself b parallel passages c other pertinent scriptures d historical context e historical content f other pertinent historical info g cultural context h cultural content i other pertinent cultural info j grammatical construction k hebrew and greek word studies l etc but are these actual standards he has used or simply empty hyperbole lets see he has used a and since he is trying to reconcile it to other passages we see that he has also used b on the other hand he has presented no use of d historical context or e historical content or f other pertinent historical info or g cultural context or h cultural content or i other pertinent cultural info or j grammatical construction or even k hebrew and greek word studies remember archer and bullinger dont count thus we find his vaunted criteria for exegisis is just empty mouthings my reply question do you find such criteria important if so do you plan on starting to use them to the best of your ability or will you continue to present shallow observations i dont mean this in a bad way at this point in our debates i have not found it necessary to present a total exegetical analysis of these passages since we seem to keep beating around the bush and not getting into the core of the verses i do not believe it necessary to use many of the above criteria to refute your arguments re judas in acts and matthew but i will do my best from this point on to use several of the above criteria since you desire me to i hope you will also it will greatly enhance our study of these passages db the only thing he has actually used beyond the passage itself is any other passage thus mr decenso should be honest and note that most of his list is red herring and his only real criteria seems to be a the text itself b parallel passages my reply the reason is simple you are mistating the passages you claim that the passages contradict one another i do not see the passages contradicting one another 1 they may very well be complimentary as many scholarly sources mention 2 matthew may not be presenting judas death as you claim but well look at your defense of this later also the reward of iniquity in the acts passage may not be the 30 pieces of silver in matthews passages although you have a valiant attempt later at stating why you believe it is at this beginning stages in our debates we are laying some scriptural groundwork which will be expanded upon through deeper exegesis db of course the only reason i can see to so drastically reinterpret a passage as he has done with judas death is to make it agree with another passage so that both could be considered correct my reply one of the reasons i have given a different exegetical view of the passages is that you seem to think the majority of scholarship is wrong in concluding these passages are complimentary however i see no problem in tony roses explanation of judas death how would you explain the inaccuracy between judas hanging himself in matthew 27 5 and falling headlong he burst open this question of the manner in which judas died is one with which we are constantly confronted in our travels many people point to the apparent discrepancy in the two accounts as an obvious irreconcilable error some have gone so far as to say that the idea of an inerrant bible is destroyed by these contradictory accounts however this is not the case at all matthew relates that judas hanged himself while peter tells us he fell and was crushed by the impact the two statements are indeed different but do they necessarily contradict each other matthew does not say that judas did not fall neither does peter say that judas did not hang himself this is not a matter of one person calling something black and the other person calling it white both accounts can be true and supplementary a possible reconstruction would be this judas hanged himself on a tree on the edge of a precipice that overlooked the valley of hinnom after he hung there for some time the limb of the tree snapped or the rope gave way and judas fell down the ledge mangling his body in the process the fall could have been before or after death as either would fit this explanation this possibility is entirely natural when the terrain of the valley of hinnom is examined from the bottom of the valley you can see rocky terraces 25 to 40 feet in height and almost perpendicular there are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom therefore it is easy to conclude that judas struck one of the jagged rocks on this way down tearing his body open it is important to remember that we are not told how long judas remained hanging from the tree or how advanced was the decomposition of his body before his fall louis gaussen relates a story of a man who was determined to kill himself this individual placed himself on the sill of a high window and pointed a pistol at his head he then pulled the trigger and leaped from the window at the same time on the other hand a person could say that this man took his life by shooting himself while another could rightly contend he committed suicide by jumping form the tall building in this case both are true as both are true in the case of matthews and peters accounts of the death of judas it is merely a situation of different perspectives of the same event your only reason for rejecting this is i believe your attempt to discredit inerrancy you havent related how this is impossible or highly unlikely heres what you said in an earlier post db quoting tony rose there are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom therefore it is easy to conclude that judas struck one of the jagged rocks on this way down tearing his body open it is important to remember that we are not told how long judas remained hanging from the tree or how advanced was the decomposition of his body before his fall the added text in this version is so heavy that assuming you are truly so opposed to such tactics you should find it not credible but you seem to find tony roses eisegesis satisfactory while clearly rejecting david joslins here you discredit tonys explanation based on what you deem too heavy for the passages but you havent addressed why you feel that way you can say its a vain attempt to reconcile the contradiction but that doesnt tell me it didnt happen nor have you shown why you reject that possibility questions is matthew lying or is luke lying or are they both lying or are either or both of them misinformed why do you think there is such an alleged contradiction i do not think you have ever told us what you believe in this respect db at present though mr decenso only asks two questions of me 1 you claim acts and matthew contradict one another in representing judas death i ask you again to provide evidence that matthew stated judas died in the hanging 2 you claim that the 30 pieces of silver in matthew that judas threw down in the temple and the chief priests used is the reward of iniquity in acts that pictures judas in some way purchasing a field with therefore there is a contradiction prove that the 30 pieces of silver and the reward of iniquity are one and the same actually i find question 1 to be a rather stupid request but i will answer it because he now restricts himself to two points first i would point out that hanging is a very efficient manner for ending a life in fact it is a bit of a fluke when someone survives hanging except in fantasy cowboy movies and even then it usually referred to as an attempted hanging my reply i work at an agency that investigates child abuse and neglect today i got a call re a child that attempted suicide by hanging himself because his mother is on crack he failed in his attempt and is in a childs psych ward at a local hospital hanging attempts are not always successful to assume that because most hangings are successful this one was also is begging the question if i may quote you last night listening to the bible answer man broadcast the christian research institutes show one of the scholars on there used several of these terms that you use i am not all that familiar with them the man on the bam show teaches comparative religion and logic it was interesting db this is so prevalent that so that to say a man hung himself with no other qualifiers is synonymous with stating that he killed himself my reply qualifiers are important at times as well see in an ot passage ill mention below does hanging always have this outcome did matthew who is the only source we have re judas hanging himself state that judas died as a result to say its synonymous means it has the same meaning as a boy age 14 hung himself but he lived this is only one of probably thousands of documented cases we can discover db now i am not alone in this thought in fact since mr decenso so respects christian scholarly including greek scholars opinion i did some research my reply thank you dave db interestingly not one of the christian references i read interpreted the hanging as being anything but a fatal suicide my reply above mine so its ok to use christian sources to back your points what about tonys position do you value it or even consider it as a valid possibility also is it possible that the sources you read may be wrong or lying or deceived in other parts of their books if so should we do as we have done with archer toss them to the side and not value anything they say including their interpretation of the hanging of judas i am sure you would find some errors and maybe even some deception in those sources you also noted they interpreted the hanging as meaning he died although that is very possibly true do you find that in the text itself remember thats the first criteria we must examine db this included the biblical knowledge commentary by woodward and zuck my reply which i own its a good source of commentary info but not inerrant db the interpreters on volume commentary on the bible by laydon the one volume bible commentary by j r dunelow word meanings of the testament ralph earl the abingdon bible commentary published by abingdon harpers bible commentary by william neal actually i could have presented many more as well my reply i appreciate your doing this research dave maybe we are getting somewhere in how we both should approach these alleged contradictions more in depth study db in each case these references specifically describe that the interpretation of matt 27 5 as successful suicide and thus i can only conclude that the greek word apagchw ie hang oneself is translated as a successful hanging my reply above mine no you cant only conclude this although as tony says this was a highly probable outcome but matthew does not state death as being a result the greek word is apagcho matthew 27 5 is its only occurrence in the new testament in the septuagint the greek translation of the ot used at the time of jesus its only used in 2 samuel 17 23 now when ahithophel saw that his advice was not followed he saddled a donkey and arose and went home to his house to his city then he put his household in order and hanged himself and died and he was buried in his fathers tomb notice that not only is it stated that ahithophel hanged himself gr sept apagcho but it explicitly adds and died here we have no doubt of the result in matthew we are not explicitly told judas died also there is nothing in the greek to suggest success or failure it simply means hang oneself db but mr decenso you are more than welcome to disagree and show more reputable christian scholars that insist that the hanging was not successful my reply above mine reputable you mean ones that have never erred as far as insisting that the hanging was unsuccessful that cant be done even by me as i said in an earlier post although i still agree with tonys exegesis as being the most probable explanation regarding judas death taking into account several criteria ive recently noticed some new things in matthew mat 27 5 8 then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed and went and hanged himself but the chief priests took the silver pieces and said it is not lawful to put them into the treasury because they are the price of blood and they consulted together and bought with them the potters field to bury strangers in therefore that field has been called the field of blood to this day first of all notice that the text does not say that judas died as a result of hanging all it says is that he went and hanged himself luke however in acts tells us that and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out this is a pretty clear indication along with the other details given in acts peters speech the need to pick a new apostle etc that at least after judas fall he was dead so the whole concept that matthew and luke both recount judas death is highly probable but not clear cut i also wrote my reply here we have a stickler dave that i have to say i just recently noticed lets look at the passage in matthew mat 27 4 saying i have sinned by betraying innocent blood and they said what is that to us you see to it mat 27 5 then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed and went and hanged himself mat 27 6 but the chief priests took the silver pieces and said it is not lawful to put them into the treasury because they are the price of blood mat 27 7 and they consulted together and bought with them the potters field to bury strangers in mat 27 8 therefore that field has been called the field of blood to this day notice verse 5 then he went and hanged himself matthew does not say judas died does it should we assume he died as a result of the hanging what does acts say act 1 18 now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out act 1 20 for it is written in the book of psalms let his dwelling place be desolate and let no one live in it and let another take his office here we may have a graphic explanation of judas death so my line of reasoning to dispel your contradiction myth re the two accounts of judas death is this matthew doesnt necessarily explain how judas died he does say judas hanged himself but he didnt specifically say judas died in the hanging incident however acts seems to show us his graphic demise therefore there is no contradiction between matthew and acts re judas death my reply we do know from matthew that he did hang himself and acts probably records his death although its possible and plausible that he fell from the hanging and hit some rocks thereby bursting open i can no longer assume that to be the case therefore no contradiction matthew did not say judas died as a result of the hanging did he most scholars believe he probably did but i quoted all that to show that i highly regard the scholars explanations but in looking at the texts initially we cant assume judas died it is however highly probable db by the way while all agree that judas died from the hanging the books had different ways of dealing with the contradiction we are discussing one simply ignored it entirely and simply referred back to matthews version as the correct version in both matt and acts the biblical knowledge commentary suggested the hypotheses that judas hung and then when he rotted his belly exploded which doesnt explain his headlong fall or that his branch or rope broke and he fell to his death and his gut gushed out which doesnt explain how a hanging man would fall headlong rather than feet first my reply the outcome of any fall is dependent upon many factors how high the person was suspended before the fall any obstructions such as tree branches that may have deviated the fall how steep an incline of rocky surfaces the victim fell upon thus possibly rolling or bouncing of several rocks etc in a superficial examination of the acts passage and the matthew passage we are not given a lot of info on the geographical specifics but tony in the above quoted post gave us some a possible reconstruction would be this judas hanged himself on a tree on the edge of a precipice that overlooked the valley of hinnom after he hung there for some time the limb of the tree snapped or the rope gave way and judas fell down the ledge mangling his body in the process the fall could have been before or after death as either would fit this explanation this possibility is entirely natural when the terrain of the valley of hinnom is examined from the bottom of the valley you can see rocky terraces 25 to 40 feet in height and almost perpendicular there are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom therefore it is easy to conclude that judas struck one of the jagged rocks on this way down tearing his body open db now truthfully i do not see what is comforting about matthew confusing the source of the potters field prophesy but on the other hand the author is correct matthew does make that confusion of course a biblical inerrantist who claim that every word of the bible is guaranteed true by god will have to thereby add one more contradiction to the death of judas ie where the prophesy of the potters field came from my reply please when we are done with this study on his death remind me to discuss this with you db as to your second question mr decenso you ask how we could be sure that the money with which judas purchased the land was indeed for the betrayal rather than some other source i would point out that in acts where it specifically mention the reward of iniquity acts 1 18 it also specifically mentions what act of iniquity they were talking about ie acts 1 16 concerning judas who was guide to those who arrested jesus now i would point out that when the bible describes an act of iniquity and then immediately discusses the reward of iniquity it would be rather inane to suggest that it was an action of iniquity other than the one discussed my reply dave we are getting somewhere arent we act 1 15 and in those days peter stood up in the midst of the disciples altogether the number of names was about a hundred and twenty and said act 1 16 men and brethren this scripture had to be fulfilled which the holy spirit spoke before by the mouth of david concerning judas who became a guide to those who arrested jesus act 1 17 for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry act 1 18 now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out act 1 19 and it became known to all those dwelling in jerusalem so that field is called in their own language akel dama that is field of blood act 1 20 for it is written in the book of psalms let his dwelling place be desolate and let no one live in it and let another take his office notice that in verse 16 the word iniquity is not used rather it states that judas became a guide to those who arrested jesus but the writer did not stop there vs 17 for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry what part did judas play in their ministry joh 12 6 this he said not that he cared for the poor but because he was a thief and had the money box and he used to take what was put in it joh 13 29 for some thought because judas had the money box that jesus had said to him buy those things we need for the feast or that he should give something to the poor so now we know what part judas played he was a treasurer per se right after peter stated that judas played a part in this ministry treasurer according to john then luke adds the parenthetical explanation of wages of iniquity money that should have been put into the ministry but was stolen by judas to purchase a field i believe this is a better exegetical explanation of what the wages of iniquity are what do you think dave db now since i have given you clear answers and even references perhaps you could unequivocally state what type of inerrantist you are instead of asking me what type i think you are as you did to mr joslin my reply i will gladly admit that i am a complete inerrantist although i do not have that big a problem with the limited inerrancy view frank if one wished to contend with him he could not answer him one time out of a thousand job 9 3 windows dataproducts lzr1260 not printing correctly just an apology in advance for posting a binary to this newsgroup ive had several attempts to mail it to the original poster but its not getting through intact clive mitchell ph 61 9 4916384 regional network systems mitchell telecomwa oz au perth western australia v windows re canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 the deskjet is slow this is in comparison to the other printers i mentioned i have no idea how the bubblejet compares the interface between win3 1 and the printer is just dandy ive not had any problems with it i just bought a bj 200 printer a couple of days ago i compared it to the sample print of an hp deskjet 500 and knew that the hp wasnt for me the bj 200 is pretty fast and really prints with good quality i can compare it with the hp laserjet iiid postscript and they look almost identical depending on the kind of paper i dont have problems with the ink not being dry it seems to dry very fast probably within a second since canon is giving a 50 rebate until the end of may it is really a good buy sean eckton computer support representative college of fine arts and communications d 406 hfac brigham young university provo ut 84602 801 378 3292 hfac csr byu edu ecktons ucs byu edu guns statement to everyone on t p g ok here goes yes folks i realize i have stuck my foot in my mouth quite a few times already so please let me make some clarifications my inaccurate information in my posts was due to lack of knowledge thanks to you kind and some not so kind people i am learning some people have given me several good points to ponder and i see how i was wrong in no way was this inaccurate information supposed to be trying to further the anti gun cause i have said several times before but nobody seemed to be listening that i am pro gun and anti gun control as far as the race can of worms that i have opened up i have only one thing to say i am in no way prejudiced some of the things i have stated were said to demonstrate that i am not prejudiced and or a racist but i have been accused of being too aware of race and prejudiced i will not say anymore about that subject because no matter what i say it will be the wrong thing boy what a start to being on a new group oh well things have been worse in my life i hope this clears things up but i guess that will remain to be seen by for now jason religion re christians above the law was clarification of personal position in article 1993apr19 131102 7843 rchland ibm com xzz0280 rchland vnet ibm com r j traff writes in article c5muiw aqc mailer cc fsu edu dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu darius lecointe writes question is on what authority do we proclaim that the requirements of the fourth commandment are no longer relevant to modern christians please i dont believe most christians believe they are above the law however we are not saved by adherence to the law the law exists to tell us what is sinful we all sin hence we are all above the law where all in this case refers to christians jews believe that their sins are atoned for with blood sacrifice of animals as described in the old testament when was the last time you heard about a jewish animal sacrifice christians believe that their sins are atoned for by the blood sacrifice of jesus the blood sacrifice of an innocent man this does not make the law irrelevant then why dont christians follow it why dont they even follow their own ten commandments breaking the law is sinful and we are to avoid sinful ways but sinning by itself does not jeopardize salvation so in short hitler is in heaven and gandhi is in hell note that im not a theologian but this is the gist of several sermons ive heard lately and some bible studies ive been through did you ever wonder if someone perhaps a great deceiver was pulling your leg guns re my gun is like my in article 1993apr16 194708 13273 vax oxford ac uk jaj vax oxford ac uk writes what all you turkey pro pistol and automatic weapons fanatics dont seem to realize is that the rest of us laugh at you you dont make me angry you just make me chuckle thats nice we strive for entertainment value i remeber being in bellingham washington and seeing a pick up truck in front of the car that my friend and i were in it had a bumper sticker proclaiming gun control is a firm grip on a 45 now im sure that that wanker thought he was pretty cool what he didnt realize was that we took a photo of the back of his truck and showed it to our friends when we got back to vancouver canada where im from originally people were guffawing at the basic stupidity of such a sticker and the even greater stupidity of the person who put it there in the first place in the first place you have to realize the feeling goes both ways canadians laugh at the u s and americans simply shrug and woner why the hell we let them be a state in the first place i knew somebody else who went to one of your gun mart superstore places just so he could experience the sight of people putting guns and ammo into shopping carts i didnt believe it myself until i drove by one in vegas last year interesting strategy posting here with complaints about people elsewhere now that i live in britain i can see how the rest of the civilized world perceives you gun nut morons courtesy is apparently a dead commodity in the rest of the civilized world gun nut morons indeed the bbc recently referred to the american penchant for pistols automatic weapons etc very appropriately it was called a national eccentricity weve got guns theyve got a monarch and an economy on the verg of collapse finger pointing across the atlanticis a waste or time the only problem is that canada i hear is suffering from your national eccentricity in that easy to purchase weapons are being smuggled cross the border canada has been blaming the u s for their problems for years the simple fact of the matter is this ten years ago they crowed about how great their system was because theyd gotten rid of the guns and the u s would be so much better if theyd just get into the divine light shining from the north we pointed out that it was cultural differences and pointed to their pre control crime rates we also pointed out that the history of the entire world contained smuggling and that whenever something was wanted it was smuggled in if the problem were based on u s guns it would have surfaced years before now more canadian criminals want guns and they are being provided canada has its own version of the drug problem yet drugs are prohibited in the u s hell here in britain the cops dont even carry guns thats another funny thing you see a us border guard and hes got his 45 or 38 on his belt with tons o spare ammo never know maybe some canadian shopper might get out of hand hell as i recall in peoples court even rusty carried a gun never know some plaintiff might go nuts saw a news report out of britain that armed crime is on the rise and several police agencies are considering have permanent firearms officers to deal with it according to u s news world report british handgun deaths have risen over 250 over the past twelve years the u s number has dropped 5 maybe theyre smuggling them across the u s u k border yeah thats the ticket cya have a nice day steve learn a little common courtesy and politeness david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al guns re gun lovers was re my gun is like my american express card iftccu talk politics guns vincent cad gatech edu vincent fox 10 34 am apr 14 1993 this isnt rec guns so maybe this is getting a bet technical but i cant resist a revolver also has the advantage that if it misfires you just pull the trigger again sometimes depends on why it misfired a double action revolver almost all of them can be hand cocked first but will fire merely by pulling the trigger i cant imagine doing much combat type shooting single action a misfire in a revolver merely means you must pull the trigger again to rotate to the next round assuming the cylinder will rotate a revolver can be carried with the 6th chamber empty and under the hammer for maximum safety but still can be drawn and fired with an easy motion even one handed never hurts to err on the side of safety but if youve got one of those new fangled hammer blocks or transfer bar safeties its unnecessarily redundant id rather have the extra round speedloaders for a revolver allow reloads almost as fast as magazines on semi autos can be faster depending on users quite true speed loaders are a little less convenient to pack around than magazines though a misfire in a semi auto will require you to clear a jammed shell first time spent which can be fatal and a vital second or so is often lost as you realize hey its jammed before starting to do anything about clearing it true but this is a training function most semi autos must have the slide worked to chamber the first round and cock the hammer some police carry their semi autos with the chamber loaded and hammer cocked but a safety engaged i do not consider this safe however you must trade off safety to get the same speed of employment as a revolver cocked and locked for single actions or hammer down on double actions are the only carry modes that make sense the 80 series colts for example are quite safe to carry this way there are some double action semi autos out there but the complexity of operation of many of them requires more training agreed now that ive shot off my mouth a bit let me back some of this up it is true that a simple misfire on a revolver doesnt cost you much on the other hand ive had all sorts of interesting things happen over the years for example ive had factory ammunition that has had high primers a high primer will tie your revolver up somewhere from seconds to minutes while you try to pound the action open to clear the problem an auto jack the slide and continue ive had bullets come out of the case keeping the cylinder from turning see clearing paragraph above about the worst that can happen with a semi auto is a double feed this can be cleared in seconds most revolvers are more fragile then semi autos there are all sorts of close tolerance parts and fitting involved dropping the gun or a blow to the gun or all sorts of things can take it out of action many of the problems that can be cured on the spot with a quality semi auto take a gun smith for a revolver in short a revolver may be less likely to malfunction but as a rule when it does youre out of the fight the majority of malfunctions that occur with semi autos does not fall into that category vincint makes many good points in this post but leaves off the opposing view of most of them a real good starting place is ayoobs the semi auto pistol for police and self defense in general id agree the revolver is an excellent first gun and self defense weapon for somebody that does not have the time and inclination that is necessary for the training and practice needed to use a semi auto effectively as a self defense arm most cops are notoriously indifferent to firearms if the department isnt going to train them they arent going to take the time on their own there is no doubt that training is an issue the amount of training required for effective use of a semi auto is probably several times that of a revolver many cops dont bother for myself id hate to be limited to one or the other id rather pick what fits better with my personal inclination what im wearing that day and so on like the moderator on rec guns says buy em all that said i have to admit that often my advice to people thinking of buying their first defense arm is right after taking a class get a ruger or smith revolver sorry colt fans colt revolvers are ok too if this post had gone the other way id be arguing for revolvers rick guns re blast them next time in article 1r19l9 7dv usenet ins cwru edu oldham ces cwru edu daniel oldham writes flame bait pure and simple medicine re frequent nosebleeds in article 1993apr17 195202 28921 freenet carleton ca ab961 freenet carleton ca robert allison writes i have between 15 and 25 nosebleeds each week as a result of a genetic predisposition to weak capillary walls osler weber rendu fortunately each nosebleed is of short duration does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency my younger brothers each tried a skin transplant thigh to nose lining but their nosebleeds soon returned ive seen a reference to an herb called rutin that is supposed to help and id like to hear of experiences with it or other techniques my 6 year son is so plagued lots of vaseline up his nose each night seems to keep it under control but let him get bopped there and hell recur for days also allergies colds dry air all seem to contribute but again the vaseline or a d ointment or neosporin all seem to keep them from recurring bev zalan windows ms mouse driver 8 2 does anyone have the documentation for the ms mouse driver 8 2 i got it when i got windows 3 1 but my windows manual does not come with the documentation in particular i need to know how to turn it off and how to speed it up outside windows the greater sensitivity is needed so i can play various games esp x wing carlos g niederstrasser only two things are infinite princeton planetary society the universe and human stupidity and im not sure about the former einstein carlosn phoenix princeton edu space phoenix princeton edu ad astra per ardua nostra baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr19 024222 11181 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes in article 1993apr18 032345 5178 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article 1993apr18 030412 1210 mnemosyne cs du edu gspira nyx cs du edu greg spira writes howard wong mindlink bc ca howard wong writes has jack lost a bit of his edge what is the worst start jack morris has had uh jack lost his edge about 5 years ago and has had only one above average year in the last 5 again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky you can count on good tomorrow lucky seems to be prone to bad starts and a bad finish last year yes i am enjoying every last run he gives up who was it who said morris was a better signing than viola cheers valentine hey valentine i dont see boston with any world series rings on their fingers damn morris now has three and probably the hall of fame in his future therefore i would have to say toronto easily made the best signing and dont tell me boston will win this year they wont even be in the top 4 in the division more like 6th shawn gee i never knew valentine made a comment about how viola signing with boston was gonna bring a world series title to boston i dont think valentine ever said boston will win this year boy talk about sensitive insecure toronto fans in any case i think viola would have made a better signing why viola is younger and is left handed how many left handed starters does toronto have mike mike columbia edu cars re advice on bmws and winter driving this past winter i drove from nyc to killington vt 6 or 7 times in my 1990 325i convertible talk about poor reputation in the snow with an excellent set of snow tires i put 4 noika nr10s on in dec and have been sure footed in some pretty severe weather conditions ever since ive plowed through 4 5 inch snow covered roads effortlessly while other cars have been paralyzed front wheel drive included concentrate more on where the rubber meets the road rather than driveability of cars in snowy conditions drive carefully buy good snow tires and most cars will perform adequately in less than ideal conditions an aside i cant praise noika nr10 snows enough absolutely the best snow tires i have ever driven on if you live in the snow belt do yourself a favor and get a set of these next winter tim timothy j bigham all opinions expressed above are my own lehman brothers inc and should not be construed as those of amex tower world financial center my employer new york n y guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 1qie2rinn1b9 cae cad gatech edu vincent cad gatech edu vincent fox says stuff deleted all mine define armed better go shoot a revolver and a semi auto like the colt 45 does one fires faster than the other nope aside from which faster rate of fire is usually not desirable sure it makes the other guys duck for cover but just you trying hitting anything with a thompson in hose mode this is why the military is limiting its m 16 now to aw come on it worked great in the 1920s or the movie version of the 20s anyways 3 round burst fire simple semi auto would be better but the troops like to be able to rock and roll even if it is wasteful of ammo something often in short supply when the enemy is plentiful a revolver is equally capable as a semi auto in the same caliber stuff deleted about how revolvers are just as good as semi autos all your points are very well taken and things that i havent considered as i am not really familiar enough with handguns some police departments switched to glocks and then started quietly switching many officers back to the old revolvers too many were having accidents partly due to the poor training they received not that glocks require rocket scientists but some cops are baffled by something as complex as the timer on a vcr hell a glock is the last thing that should be switched to the only thing that i know about a glock is the lack of a real safety on it sure there is that little thing in the trigger but that isnt too great of a safety anyone who goes anyone saying that the criminals obviously outgun the police dont know nothing about firearms turn off cops and hunter and pay attention i do not seek here to say semi autos are junk merely that assuming they are better for all jobs is stupid a cop with a revolver on his hip and a shotgun in the rack is more than equipped for anything short of a riot actually i dont watch those shows and youre right at least partially i dont know much about handguns im more familiar with rifles gun control is hitting what you aim at if you whip out a wonder nine and fire real fast you may find you dont hit anything good controlled fire from a revolver is more likely to get you a hit i own a 9mm beretta myself but consider it inferior as a carry weapon to something like the ruger security six revolver if i havent hit what im aiming at in the first 5 shots something is quite seriously wrong somewheres while i might like having the backup capacity of those extra shots in certain cases overwhelmingly the of shots fired in criminal encounters is less than 5 what do crooks overwhelmingly use in crime why the same nice simple 38 revolvers that the police often use well actually some police prefer the much heftier 357 magnum but anyway obplea dont flame me i prefer semi autos for most things but they introduce unneccessary complications to something as nerve wracking as an abrupt encounter with a lone criminal if everything had gone as planned everything would have been perfect batf spokesperson on cnn 3 2 93 regarding failed raid attempt in tx no flames here all your points are well taken guess i still have a lot to learn but thanks to this discussion i already am guess i assume too many things like more bullets are better and that sort of thing of course you know what happens when you assume jason medicine re fungus epidemic in ca in article 19435 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article steward cup portal com john joseph deltuvia writes there was a story a few weeks ago on a network news show about some sort of fungus which supposedly attacks the bone structure and is somewhat widespread in california anybody hear anything about this one the only fungus i know of from california is coccidiomycosis i hadnt heard that it attacked bone it attacks lung and if you are especially unlucky the central nervous system nothing new about it its been around for years they call it valley fever since it is found in the inland valleys not on the coast there is a mini epidemic of coccidiodes that is occurring in i believe the owens valley bishop area east of the sierras i dont believe there has been any great insight into the increased incidence in that area there is a low level of endemic infection in that region many people with evidence of past exposure to the organism did not have serious disease brian medicine re mississippi river water and catfish safe in article 1993apr12 204033 126645 zeus calpoly edu dfield flute calpoly edu infospunj dan field writes ive been invited to spend a couple weeks this summer rafting down the mississippi my journey partners want to live off of river water and catfish along the route should i have any concerns about pollution or health risks in doing this youd have to purify the river water first im not sure how practical that is with the mississippi youd better check with health agencies along the way to see if there are toxic chemicals in the river if it is just microorganisms those can be filtered or killed but you may need activated charcoal or other means to purify from chemicals better be same than sorry obviously drinking the river without processing it is likely to make you sick from bacteria and parasites gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows mouse systems driver for mouse control in dos window does anyone know if there is such an animal i have a mouse systems trackball and would like a driver for this device that would allow me to use the mouse within a dos window the same way microsofts mouse driver works thanks chris chris shenefiel who does not represent his company in any way shape or form on this forum nor do his opinions or comments represent the opinions of his company nor do his opinions or comments even merit consideration of any kind cars re open letter to nissan in a previous article smorris sumax seattleu edu steven a morris says or heres an even better suggestion why dont you guys go ahead and buy the rest of fuji heavy industries subaru and put either an in line 4 or v 6 into the legacy 4wd wagon id buy the legacy in a minute if it had a nissan engine instead of the horizontal 4 that they seem sentimentally attached to what do you find so wrong with the flat 6 in the subarus or the flat 4 for that matter dod 650 darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion medicine re fingernail moons in article 733196190 aa00076 calcom socal com daniel prince f129 n102 z1 calcom socal com daniel prince writes i only have lunulas on my thumbs is there any medical significance to that finding thank you in advance for all replies try peeling the skin back at the base of your other fingernails not too hard now dont want to hurt yourself youll find nice little lunulas there if you can peel it back enough gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon baseball re grateful dead in article 93095 172834io21087 maine maine edu io21087 maine maine edu writes being a baseball fan and a fan of the above mentioned band i was wondering if anyone could clue me in on whether the dead or members of sang the national anthem at todays giant opener i would imagine that it is a bit too early for anyone to know but an answer would be greatly appreciated it is my understanding that the dead will sing the na at the giants home opener on mon 4 12 the giants are opening today in st louis luigi randy palermo luigi csd sgi com fax 415 961 6502 silicon graphics computer systems 2011 n shoreline blvd mt view ca 94039 play an accordion go to jail thats the law cars re saturn puzzled by its pricing in article 1993apr1 230642 5207 cbfsb cb att com ykhsu cbnewsf cb att com yung kao hsu writes i am the person who started out this subject to me the question really is not about dealer profit but the amount of money for the type of car ive settled with a new 92 subaru wagon with the similar amount of money a saturn dealer asked for a sw1 ok i know its a 92 model but i think i got a better car though i have to adjust my initial idea of why i am getting a new car today during a conversion with a friend i learned he rejected a saturn for a ford tarurs as it only costed him a little bit more than a sl2 i may be wrong but a loaded tarus beats a saturn sl2 i agree that a fully loaded sl2 would come close in price to a lower end ford taurus a fully loaded taurus on the other hand would still be substantially more expensive than even the most glitzy sl2 a fully loaded sl2 would run somewhere around 17 000 while a fully loaded taurus lx would be somewhere around the 22 000 23 000 range a base taurus gl i believe might start around 15 000 of course there is the taurus sho which can push 30 000 if you really try but this is a totally different car than your mainstream taurus sedan your statement was not entirely faulty just a little inaccurate i cant see saturn is of better value and that is why i was puzzled by its pricings oh we did not spend much time getting our deals being better informed has its advantages well thats ok at least youre not bitching about dealer profits like some of the other netters are you seem to have rationally picked out the car that is best for you the loyale is an aging design that is about to be replaced by the impreza wagon so you probably got a good deal on one of the last ones then again i may be wrong yung kao hsu mihir shah mps1 cec1 wustl edu religion re spreading christianity re christian extremist kills doctor most of the key issues in the 284 line post to which i am following up are dealt with in the following post i made on talk abortion yesterday modified to correct the next to last paragraph message id nyikos 734890344 milo math scarolina edu references nyikos 734360987 milo math scarolina edu nyikos 734640769 milo math scarolina edu 1993apr13 122356 3612 cbnewsj cb att com in 1993apr13 122356 3612 cbnewsj cb att com decay cbnewsj cb att com dean kaflowitz writes in article nyikos 734640769 milo math scarolina edu nyikos math scarolina edu peter nyikos writes in cs132073 93apr9160836 cslab1g cs brown edu cs132073 cs brown edu john bates writes in article nyikos 734360987 milo math scarolina edu nyikos math scarolina edu peter nyikos writes perhaps out of dedication to your convictions i never never thought that you would be consciously intellectually dishonest though i am not can you show me anything that would lead you to think otherwise see the spreading christianity thread in which he says i ignore certain statements that i specifically acknowledged and dean did not he called them the great commission but this is not descriptive of jesuss words in matt 10 15 matt 10 14 jerusalem bible translation and if anyone does not welcome you or listen to what you have to say as you walk out of the house or town shake the dust from your feet matt 10 15 i tell you solemnly on the day of judgment it will not go as hard with the land of sodom and gomorrah as with that town in the post to which dean is referring above i said the above is a good description of kaflowitz who keeps harping on shaking the dust off the feet but ignoring what christ said next the highlighted words refer to matt 10 14 and 10 15 respectively and dean countered actually this comment of yours is a perfect example of what an intellectually dishonest little sparrowfart you are since i specifically acknowledged the great commission and the entreaty to spread the word in fact it is the combination of the two statements i was addressing and not just the one and for you to characterize that as ignoring the instruction to spread the word is a good example of what a dishonest little fellow you are of course matt 10 15 quoted above makes no mention of instruction to spread the word all these quotes btw are from message id 1993apr13 121624 3400 cbnewsj cb att com in which at the end he claims i did not answer a question which i answered and which he deleted to get the chronology right he deleted the answer and then said i didnt answer and i claim it correctly because my question went do you too measure the goodness of a post by its entertainment value and care not a whit for such mundane things as truth and falsehood and the closest dean came to an answer was peter peter peter youre just so stupid pretentious dull and generally unworthy of the value you place on yourself that the sport is all there is of course this does not answer my question which has to do with posts in general and not my posts in particular surely even dean knows this yet he brazenly asserts otherwise reinforcing his claim with an insult so i now restore the answer to your question that you deleted if youre still unable to figure it out ask a nice kid at the local junior high to help you it really doesnt take much sophistication to understand on top of which i doubt that the answer is at all representative of deans true frame of mind the insults you have seen quoted thus far are but a small sample of the stream that oozes out of deans mind throughout the 284 line post from which these quotes were taken one wonders whether deans mind is so warped as to find sport in all this he even dredges up a falsified account of events that transpired earlier on another thread you made an ass of yourself by claiming that it was in the tradition of lent to make public announcements of the sins of other individuals false i said it was the tradition to recall and atone for ones sins that i made public announcements of the sins of others sins btw that were a matter of public record documented in the posts of others is a different matter many of the individuals involved are so nearly amoral that they do not see as sins what morally upright people see as sins so i pointed some of them out and i expressly set up a whole thread your turn to let people point out my sins to me dean again you made an ass of yourself by saying that my statement of the tradition of tzedukkah was somehow an attempt to paint jews as plaster saints thereby revealing your inability to understand the discussion as well as showing your dislike for people saying positive things about jews and now you show your intellectual dishonesty by repeatedly ignoring the simple argument being made and then claiming i am ignoring the very argument i acknowledge actually what happened was that dean made it seem like any jew who gave alms or did other acts of charity in public was a hypocrite according to jewish customs in doing so he was caricaturing jewish customs as being almost impossibly demanding as well as implicitly slandering all jews who make public their acts of charity i went very easily on dean for this giving him the benefit of the doubt in a post following my initial crack about plaster saints suggesting that he had been merely careless in his wording in an astonishing act of ingratitude dean now serves up an incredibly distorted picture of what took place between us and using it as the basis of one insult after another peter nyikos windows re can i change licensed to data in windows 3 1 in article 16apr93 02280936 vax clarku edu rmohns vax clarku edu writes this is in relation to a question concerning changing the registered to information of ms windows in a previous article 2a42dubinski vms csd mu edu wrote ahh yes this is a fun topic no once the name is incribed on the disk that is it it is encoded not even a hex editor will find it you can write over the licensed to but you cant change the name underneth it i i can find it with a hex editor although i have not tried to overwrite it are you sure it cant be you may be mistaken about this you can change it as part of a continuously downsizing government organization my code branch changes about once a year i just finished changing the registration information using norton utilities i sent the original requester the hex offset into user exe containing the information and his reply indicated he got several similar answers and its not encoded in any way as for the legality theres nothing that keeps me from changing the information it certainly doesnt reach out and alter the serial number printed on the inside of my manual jim moore panama city fl baseball re best homeruns on two separate occasions i saw dick allen back when he was richie homer at shea off the middle of the black centerfield hitters background screen i think both shots would have traveled 500 feet jay cars toyota land cruiser worth it in response to a post about suvs i got several unsolicited recommendations to check out the land cruiser despite its astronomical price the toyota dealer told me its a cult car if a car is good enough to create a passionate and loyal following there must be something really extraordinary about it so all you land crusher cultists here is your chance to convert me jonathan edwards edwards intranet com intranet inc 617 527 7020 baseball re geronimo pena in article 1r3ejr 7tb meaddata meaddata com daves meaddata com dave spencer writes in article 1r20avinnb6q cronkite central sun com bobn hawkwind central sun com bob netherton writes in article 1993apr20 013653 1 eagle wesleyan edu dhart eagle wesleyan edu writes hey ive noticed that luis alicea is starting at 2nd for the cardinals instead of geronimo pena is pena hurt or was he just benched for poor performance anyone know after a quick start pena has been stuck in a rut torre gave alicea the start to try to get pena out of whatever funk he is in it has worked in the past and it has worked again pena went 3 for 3 last night against colorado without opening this up for a sabermetric flame war i would like to question the notion that sitting a rested player down has any real effect on his long term performance sure if a man is tired and needs real rest then taking a break might be a constructive act perhaps if a man is mentally strained then sitting him down might help to the extent that that helps him relax but i would like to suggest that in the long run players do slump and benching is probably irrelevant paul collacchi cars opinions on 88 89 pontiac bonneville i am in the market to buy a used car i am particularly interested in the pontiac bonneville my budget is between 7 8 thousand would i be able to afford an 88 or 89 what engines were available at this time i know they didnt redesign until the 1992 model year how is the reliability of past models i would appreciate any advice or information neil gandler windows opinions wanted fastest win driver for t8900c yesterday a friend of mine got a new driver for his card that more than doubled the speed naturally besides being a tad jealous same machine different cards it got me thinking what if i am using a slow driver wouldnt that be horrible so netlanders i need samples of your collective experience sic do you proud owners of a trident 8900c video card w 1mb vram have tried out more than one driver fro ms win 3 1 which which is the fastest not to be selfish and to give you a motive for responding i promise i am going to collect all the answers and the actual drivers provided u give me a site to get it from or uuencode mail get the winmarks using pc magazine s winbench and post the results here i am interested in svga drivers only plain vga users should run the win driver or this is what i ve heard dont flame me particularly 800x600x16 and or 800x600x256 that should cover the majority of svga users well what are you waiting for hit that r or f or whatever all input welcome so are money and sun sparcstations thanx in advance costas malamas georgia institute of technology oit ua oit doesnt pay me enough to share their opinions internet ccastco prism gatech edu medicine re name of mds eyepiece in article 19387 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article c4ihm2 gs9 watson ibm com clarke watson ibm com ed clarke writes its not an eyepiece it is called a head mirror all doctors never a speculum the speculum is the little cone that fits on the end of the otoscope there are also vaginal specula that females and gynecologists are all too familiar with in fairness we should note that if you look up speculum in the dictionary which i did when this question first surfaced the first definition is a mirror or polished metal plate used as a reflector in optical instruments which doesnt mean the name fits in this context but its not as far off as you might think david wright hitachi computer products america inc waltham ma wright hicomb hi com these are my opinions not necessarily hitachis though they are the opinions of all right thinking people medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr26 120417 22328 linus mitre org gpivar maestro mitre org greg pivarnik writes in article 1993apr22 211005 21578 scorch apana org au bill scorch apana org au bill dowding writes todamhyp charles unlv edu brian m huey writes i think thats the correct spelling i am looking for any information supplies that will allow do it yourselfers to take krillean pictures im thinking that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for sale but i dont know any of the companies any info is greatly appreciated krillean photography involves taking pictures of minute decapods resident in the seas surrounding the antarctic or pictures taken by them perhaps bill from oz bill no flame intended but youre way way off base in simple terms kirilian photography registers the electromagnetical fields around objects in simple it takes pictures of your aura greg flame definitely intended here bill was making fun of the misspelling go look up the word krill also the correct spelling is kirlian it involves taking photographs of corona discharges created by attaching the subject to a high voltage source not of some aura it works equally well with inanimate objects carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey i understand vaxen and vms thats what i get paid for my understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level or below so unless what im saying is directly related to vax vms dont hold me or my organization responsible for it if it is related to vax vms you can try to hold me responsible for it but my organization had nothing to do with it windows nextstep intel sneak preview reminder phang the philadelphia area nextstep user group will be holding a public sneak preview of nextstep for intel processors where david rittenhouse labs room a1 33rd and walnut southeast corner philadelphia pa when wednesday may 5th 7 pm to 9 pm nextstep is the 32 bit unix based operating environment which has until now only been available on motorola based next computers in the may 11th issue of pc magazine called nextstep a hot prospect now next is nearing release of a version of nextstep which will run on 486 based pcs yet is identical to the 68040 version in fact nextstep 3 1 includes the ability to easily compile a program into a single binary which will run on both intel and motorola hardware nextstep 3 1 for intel processors will be demonstrated on an epson progression 486 computer nextstep is scheduled for release on may 25 at nextworld expo in san francisco the demonstration will be open to the public come one come all if you are interested in seeing the most advanced pc operating system around come on by for a brief summary of what nextstep offers see the may 11th issue of pc magazine page 66 for more information contact me jonathan hendry phang the philadelphia area nextstep user group 215 653 0911 jon afs com jonathan w hendry drexel university college of info studies tjhendry queen mcs drexel edu the experience of programming windows vs the experience of programming nextstep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w some nitrous oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things bbum stone co jonathan w hendry drexel university college of info studies tjhendry queen mcs drexel edu the experience of programming windows vs the experience of programming nextstep is like going to the dentist and having a root canal without anaesthetic vs going to the dentist and having your gums cleaned w some nitrous oxide thrown in for the entertainment side of things bbum stone co medicine re epstein barr syndrome questions in article 1993apr23 034226 2284 reed edu jcherney reed edu writes okay this is a long shot my friend robin has recurring bouts of mononucleosis type symptoms very regularly this has been going on for a number of years shes seen a number of doctors six was the last count i think most of them have said either you have mono or youre full of it theres nothing wrong with you one has admitted to having no idea what was wrong with her and one has claimed that it is epstein barr syndrome now what she told me about ebs is that very few doctors even believe that it exists obviously this has been her experience so whats the story is it real does the medical profession believe it to be real has anyone had success is treating ebs or is it just something to live with thanks for your assistance outbreaks of a chronic mono like entity were originally called ebs or some variant thereof because most of the people with this disease had elevated levels of antibodies to the ebv virus but not all of them did which prompted an official renaming of the disease to chronic fatigue syndrome this renaming took place in the annals of internal medicine jan 1988 i believe now its also called chronic fatigue and immune dysfunction syndrome cfids since it seems clear that some sort of immune disregulation is causing the probs astonishly there are still docs who tell people with massively swollen glands recurrent fevers and nightsweats etc that theres nothing wrong with them this is not the same thing as saying that the syndrome may have a at least partly psychological cause the disagreement among people whose thoughts are worth considering centers on just what the cause is no one knows but theories include psychological stress some sort of virus a retrovirus say most maybe one of the newly discovered herpes viruses environmental toxins bacteria and yes candida genes and or some combo of these theres no outright cure at the moment but different docs try different things some of which seem to help massive amounts of info on the condition are available these days post your q to alt med cfs and you will be flooded w facts note there are lots of far better understood and better treatable diseases that look like cfids make sure these get ruled out by a good doc medicine re can men get yeast infections can men get yeast infections spread them what kind of symptoms my ent doctor told me that it is not uncommon for the wife to get a vaginal yeast infection after the husband takes antibiotics in fact this recently happened to my wife explanation is that the antibiotics kill the yeasts competition they then thrive and increased yeast around the penis spread the infection during intercourse i was on ceclor for 30 days then my wife got the yeast jay keller badboy netcom com baseball re defensive averages 1988 1992 third base in article c5l068 6v3 srgenprp sr hp com craigs srgenprp sr hp com craig stelter writes gaetti gary 616 638 655 632 0 637 apologies if i dont know what im talking about but as a twins fan i like to think they have good players in any park not sure if i remember completely or not but i think gaetti played with the twins in 87 for the world series and again in 88 note thats his lowest of the 4 i believe the next 3 or at least the last two were played with the angels lots of factors make a player excell i hate it when so many use the dome it may not be ideal but nice to comfortably enjoy baseball and football even when its snowing and raining craig im sure the company for which i work does not have all the same opinions that i do the event that had the most impact on gaettis career was his leg injury in 1988 his performance dropped radically from 1988 to 1989 he was still with the twins in 1989 and 1990 but if you look at his stats both offensive and defensive he never has come back to his pre injury level brendan cars re aftermarket air conditioners in article 1qcaueinnmt8 axon cs unc edu andrew brandt writes i looked into getting a c installed on my 1987 honda crx si the unit is 875 plus shipping installation is like 5 1 2 hours on top of that this is a hunk of change does anyone know any place that does aftermarket a c installation not with a honda a c unit but some third party unit i cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a c unit in a honda i am in no carolina so i would prefer some place nearby but any references would be handy thx andy brandt cs unc edu sorry i cant help you with your question but i do have a comment to make concerning aftermarket a c units i have a frost king or frost temp forget which aftermarket unit on my cavalier and am quite unhappy with it the fan is noisy and doesnt put out much air i will never have an aftermarket a c installed in any of my vehicles again i just cant trust the quality and performance after this experience les les bartel im going to live forever intergraph corporation or die trying electronics division ljbartel ingr com or ljbartel naomi b23b ingr com 205 730 8537 windows re drivers for stealth 24 doug ward writes i recently purchased a diamond stealth 24 video card and received the wrong drivers does anyone know where i can ftp the proper drivers the dstlth file at cica does not work with this video card please respond to doug sun sws uiuc edu thank you doug ward if you want to get them and get them now also the most up to date use the bbs at 1 408 439 9096 they may take an hour to download so do it when rates are low yeah i know it costs but locking up your system gets old quick maybe someone has them on the net ive got the stealth drivers david windows re win nt what is it rmohns vax clarku edu writes chicogo is what i want to use it is like nt a true os with thrue multitasking and multithreading but has much smaller hardware requirements and does not meet dod security specs but thats okay since it will probably be more of a client os there are a few otehr differences but those are the main ones there was an article about chicogo in pc week last august the chicogo and nt development groups at micro oft are in intense competition so it is said however i think a different relationship will arise nt will be the server n etowrk t echonology chicogo will be the client machine it is entirely possible for different oss to work together partly because chicogo is just a small nt think of it that way anyway novell netware creates an os on the server that is truly not dos so dont scorn the concept anyway dont expect it soon windows 4 and dos 7 are supposed to be released next year read see it in 95 so i expect that chicogo wont be out til 96 how does chicago differ from the sort of announced windows 4 my understand ing at least from the inbfoworld accound of windows 4 is that its sort of nt lite a full fledged operating system but lacking server and security features that make nt such a bear is w4 not true multithreading windows re stealth 24 video drivers in article doug 4 735929139 sun sws uiuc edu doug sun sws uiuc edu doug ward writes i recently purchased a diamond stealth 24 video card and received the wrong drivers does anyone know where i can ftp the windows video drivers for the stealth 24 i tried the drivers at cica and they dont work the right drivers are on the diamond bbs but the file is almost 1 meg and it would take a while to download them at 2400 baud any information would be appreciated please contact me at doug sun sws uiuc edu thank you doug ward i have the same problem with a diamond stealth vram card daniel baseball re relative value of players kime mongoose torolab ibm com edward kim writes in article c5ro4h lww world std com jle world std com joe m leonard writes before folks jump on me let me ask the net would the jays have won the al with a good pitcher from aaa in place of morris given his run support how about an average ml pitcher i cant believe that morris performance in the playoffs and series had a large positive impact on the jays performance i know its very trendy nowadays to dump on morris but lets give credit where credit is due it is doubtful that the blue jays would have won the al east without morris last year when the team went 13 15 for the month of august and all the other starters were being shelled and milwaukee was making a charge morris went 5 1 with a pretty good era i cant remember exactly also lets not underestimate the importance his 240 innings to save the bullpen every fifth day if he didnt help us win the al east forget about the pennent and the world series a guy who threw 240 innings with about 6 run lower era would have saved the bullpen even more say somebody like frank viola 238 innings his run support was high 5 98 runs but so was stottlemyers 5 90 runs and he won only 12 games i do remember morris winning an inordinate number of 6 5 and 8 6 ballgames but this is to his credit he pitched only as good as he needed to be when he was up 6 1 in a ballgame he just put it in cruise control and threw the ball up there and let the batters get themseleves out i hate this expression an inexperienced pitcher would wear himself out trying to make perfect pitches to keep his era down but morris being a veteran pitcher knows that winning is the only thing that really matters in baseball by saving himself he was able to reach back for that little extra i hate this too when the game was on the line nice audition tape send it to baseball tonight attn ray knight espn bristol ct have you by chance taken a look at the boxscores from last year to determine the accuracy of your account i seem to recall morris getting at least 3 or 4 wins last year when the jays came back from behind after they had decided to pull morris at the end of an inning mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com dictionaries are merely checkpoint records of linguistic history truly donovan baseball houston mailing list can anyone mail me the address of houstons mailing list thanks in advance j scott smithers smithers dcseq uscga edu windows some info the dos msw meltdown is progressing nicely the preferred applications development platform according to 432 of the fortune 1000 corporations survey by sentry market research survey all percentages 1992 1993 unix 18 28 mainframe 35 22 dos msw 24 18 os 2 8 17 midrange 14 14 this is from corporate computing may 1993 page 28 its interesting to see how the greatest vapour project of the world has not been able to make much of a difference here before you think its a interesting rag they have this incredibly incompetent article opinion piece by someone named robert ziff which has preposturous statements like sun has sold around 300 multiprocessing servers in that case usc has around 4 of all sun mp servers on earth he is off by a factor of 50 100 i thought of sending them a factual disaster email message they have a column titled how to contact us but being silly pcheads they seem to have never heard of the internet these may also be of interest world computer market share by broad category 1991 1996 dos windows netware 37 0 40 0 unix 11 6 21 0 ibm mainframe 17 4 14 4 vax vms 3 7 2 6 ibm minis 4 1 4 0 macintosh 3 6 4 6 other 22 6 13 4 totally 155 billion 1996 projections are by idc source unix world jan 1993 1993 unix hardware sales by category billion installed base workstations 14 1 3 million midrange 7 4 1 million large scale 1 8 pc unix 0 6 2 million total 23 9 ajay shah 213 749 8133 ajayshah rcf usc edu religion re whos next mormons and jews in article 1qvh8n gf4 msuinfo cl msu edu friedenb maple egr msu edu gedaliah friedenberg writes in article 1qvfik 6rf usenet ins cwru edu cj195 cleveland freenet edu john w redelfs writes now that big brother has rubbed out one minority religion in waco who is next the mormons or jews give me a break if the mormons fortified utah and armed it to the teeth and were involved in illegal activity then they deserve whatever they get where were you brought up in the former ussr is innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers not dan rather dead in this country seems so is tax evasion the only charge brought against the bds punishable by death in this country now you are making a ludicrous suggestion not really you are a blind idiot we used to live in a country where everyone enjoyed the free exercise of their rights to worship and bear arms now we dont does that include the right to murder little children how about killing atf officers i do not know much about the gun laws in texas but koreshs folks claimed to have grenades grenade launchers and rocket launchers i am not sure that the nra feels that this falls under right to bear arms not sure yet you condem them to death for it if the batf had stayed home all would be alive now so who murdered who of course to jews and mormons this is just a broken record it has happened before please explain i do not remember jews or mormons as a group overtly breaking a judicious a k a non nazi law and being punished for it you have a short memory ill bet all you cult haters are happy now right just hope youre not next followups to dev null alternative followups set to talk religion misc sleep well tonite heartless idiot sleep the sleep of the simple minded i shall weep for my country myself john w redelfs cj195 cleveland freenet edu all my opinions are tentative pending further data gedaliah friedenberg department of mechanical engineering department of metallurgy mechanics and materials science michigan state university im short of patience tonite but rabid dogs deserve and get better treatment than the bds got jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 cars re male female mystery re dumbest automotive concepts of all time bets chester ksu ksu edu beth schwindt writes this has me thinking is there a biological reason why women cant put their keys in their pants pockets like men do i have two pockets on the back of each of my pants i put my keys in one and wallent in another many of the pockets even have a botton on them so i can close them securely everything is that much simpler for me why cant women do the same is is biological ie not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and a wallet or is it the way they are raised by the parents ive found that it has to do with the way womens clothes are made if you put keys in the front pocket of womens jeans or slacks you get a bulge that also tends to make it impossible to sit down because they stick you constantly ditto in the back pocket also try looking at the back pockets of womens jeans and compare them to the back pockets on mens jeans they are usually if you buy jeans that you expect to last for any length of time about half the size there flat out isnt room for a wallet or a bunch of keys besides which where would men put all their crap if their wives didnt carry purses the same place single men do wallet in back pocket comb in other back pocket keys in front pocket knive in other from pocket pen in shirt pocket or front pants pocket or do married men start carrying around a bunch of stuff to keep there women happy beth mark b baseball re braves update in article 1993apr19 194025 8967 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes a reasonable umpire would do as hes been instructed to do this season get the batters back in the box sooner to try to cut down on the ridiculous length of games i for one am glad to see this happen and hope more umpires will do as hirschbeck did in instructing the pitcher to pitch if the batter wont get back in the box a reasonable umpire would have recognized that ron gant was disturbed with the call a reasonable umpire would have realized that there was a 1 run game in progress with two outs in the ninth what ron gant did was try to regain his composure what a normal baseball player would have done would have been to get into a heated argument with the umpire and since you cant argue balls and strikes he would have been ejected from the game ron gant by trying to avoid such a conflict was penalized for showing some restraint incidentally a reasonable home plate umpire would not have been so resistant to seeking the appeal to the first base umpire as gant requested if the home plate umpire had appealed to first the first base umpire could have wrung up the strike and gant would not have been so upset if the call had been a ball and the catcher had requested the appeal it is likely the home plate umpire would have asked for the help finally the entire game was pretty much a mockery of the so called efforts to speed up the game the game was played very quickly it was just at 2 hours when the stuff happened in the ninth and the only delays in the entire game had been the result of actions by the umpires other than deion having to clean garbage off the field econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke s to my correspondents my email has been changed e l my new address is fls econ duke edu d f if mail bounces try fls raphael acpub duke edu u baseball mlb c could some kind soul out there e mail me the 411 on where i can find the mlb c program im interested in some road trips this year david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions 1993 its on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the 411 windows re windows 3 1 keeps crashing please help in article 1qur7h qrl access digex net wild access digex com wildstrom writes in article 1993apr16 155637 15398 oracle us oracle com ebosco us oracle com eric bosco writes from ebosco us oracle com eric bosco subject windows 3 1 keeps crashing please help date fri 16 apr 1993 15 56 37 gmt as the subjects says windows 3 1 keeps crashing givinh me gpf on me of late it was never a very stable package but now it seems to crash every day the worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently ie i there is a way in sys ini to turn off ram parity checking unfortunately my good windows references are at home but any standard win reference will tell you how to do it if not email back to me that weird memory may be producing phony parity errors danger is if you turn checkling off you run the slight risk of data corruption due to a missed real error i had this very same problem and did work around by turning parity checking off but that only worked while i was in windows and the parity error would occur immediately after exiting windows however the problem turned out to be 3 chip simms vs 9 chip simms i cant use 3 chip simms in my computer and when i replaced them the problem vanished forever baseball re and americas team is but why cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes the defenition of the underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend the 69 mets and 89 orioles are prime examples not the cubs sorry but it is virtually impossible to win a division with no talent over 162 games i would amend your definition to underdog a team expected to lose but which wins thanks to underestimated talent dave guns the holocaust revisited the u s governments campaign of persecution and genocide against the branch davidians was a resounding success heil clinton heil reno the gestapo is alive and well and living in washington d c kevin who agrees that david koresh was probably a first rate nutcase but who firmly believes that the bill of rights guaranteed his his right to be a religious fanatic and that the government is guilty of violating his civil rights and of 1st degree murder ok which small under represented in congress religious group are we going to persecute next and are we going to torch their church with a rolled up copy of the constitution i think im going to be sick now baseball re pleasant yankee surprises in article 120399 netnews upenn edu sepinwal mail sas upenn edu alan sepinwall writes some pleasant and then some not so pleasant surprises about the 1993 edition of the bronx bombers so far first the pleasant 1 spike owen all through spring training this guy was looking like the second coming of mike gallego but with even worse hitting now the guy is third in the major leagues in ba and hes ranked pretty high in total hits and runs scored i know its still early in the season but he and pat kelly more on him in a minute have provided a lot of spark at the bottom of the order thats given the big guys mattingly tartabull oneill plenty of rbi opportunities lets hope he keeps this up 2 pat kelly the guy is finally showing some of the ability that led stick michael to label him a star for the 90s i wouldnt go that far but kelly looks infinitely improved at bat i guess the tips he took from boggs in spring training really paid off huh and here i thought boggs would never do anything to help anybody besides himself and his glove like always has been terrific he and mattingly comprise the best defensive right side of the infield in all of baseball imho 3 paul oneill we had to get rid of roberto kelly partly because he was under too much pressure in ny to be the next barry bonds he wont do that in cincy either and partly because he had this real unprofessional tendency to give up in the second half of the year i just felt that we couldve gotten more for him than oneill well so far oneill is turning out just fine he looks like he should be able to duplicate if not surpass mel halls numbers from last year and he keeps opposing pitchers from pitching around tartabull now if only buck would play him against lefties some more to see what he can do 4 wickman a friend made a comparison between wickman and jack morris they never have impressive stats but they always find some way to win although morris seems to be losing that ability i figured that wickman would be the least important part of the steve sax trade best trade since we got that ruth guy maybe winding up as a good middle reliever but i like what ive seen so far he doesnt pitch pretty but he gets the job done 5 key whats going on here key was just supposed to provide the rotation with some stability you know shore up the left side provide experience get maybe 15 wins and here this guy is dominating everybody he faces who needs maddux or cone 0 2 ill take key any day and now the not so pleasant surprises 1 spike owen sure hes hitting like crazy but the guy cannot field to save his life and they said he was brought in to provide defense velarde stankiewicz and even silvestri are better defensively than owen remember its still early look for his offense to tail off and his defense to improve hopefully he has that rep because i heard that either last year or over the last 5 years or something like that he has the third highest fielding percentage among major league shortstops behind c r and tony im not gonna help this sorry mets team at all fernandez i do agree though that he has not looked all that impressive in the field thus far 2 tartabull the book on tartabull was keep him healthy and hell produce well he hasnt done too much so far sure hes hit a few homers but those were all solo shots and he hasnt gotten any of the big rbis that your cleanup man is supposed to give you then again he had a slow start last year once he got off the dl that is and turned into a one man wrecking crew late in the year so well see 3 the bullpen ugh what happened we were supposed to have one of the most solid pens in the majors meanwhile the pen has already blown three saves maybe more i havent checked the great howe farr lefty righty tandem farrs era is in the 20s or 30s and howes is infinite i didnt think such a thing was possible but it is hopefully theyll get their acts together or else bucks gonna burn out the starters for fear that the bullpenll blow a lead in the immortal words of the scooter holy cow seaver that johnny key guy can pitch cant he see you in the series alan medicine re need info on circumcision medical cons and pros in article 1rsvgr r13 nym ossi com texx ossi com texx writes oh yeah scene navy boot camp di son you smel awful dont you ever clean that thing recruit no sir di why the hell not recruit your not sposed to touch down there di why recruit cause thats the eye of god down there an your not sposed to touch it this did not happen 40 years ago it happened 2 years ago i think americans are quite hung up about sex and the involved plumbing wow that certainly convinced me that all americans ar hung up about sex just one example of something that probably ran in a hustler mag is enough to convince me sarchasm off patrick draper zbt we are a nation of laws not people draper umcc umich edu flames dev koresh university of michigan computer club baseball rockies need some relief once again the rockies bullpen fell apart andy ashby pitched six somewhat shaky innings giving up just one run then game the dreaded relief three picthers combined to give up 3 runs one each i believe in the 7th inning and blew the save opportunity final was 4 2 vs expos despite their problems in the pen i think the rockies are a team that wont be taken lightly going into todays game the had the leagues leading hitter and rbi man galarraga two of the leaders in stolen bases young and cole and increasingly strong starting pitching david rex wood davewood cs colorado edu university of colorado at boulder cars re rfi art of clutchless shifting i used to drive a truck a few years back i once rode with an old codger that had been driving for about 30 yrs the only time he would use the clutch was to get the truck moving he could shift that 13 speed lightning quick up or down without the slightest rake of a gear he was as smooth as silk it was the most amazing shifting demonstration ive ever seen having said all that i still dont know why anyone would want to shift a synchronized tranny without a clutch why do it medicine re good grief was re candida albicans what is it in article noringc5snsx kmo netcom com noring netcom com jon noring writes there is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists theres a lot of evidence it just hasnt been adequately gathered and published in a way that will convince the die hard melancholic skeptics who quiver everytime the word anecdote or empirical is used snort ah there go my sinuses again for example dr ivker who wrote the book sinus survival always gives oh wow a classic textbook hey they laughed at einstein too before any other treatment a systemic anti fungal such as nizoral to his new patients if theyve been on braod spectrum anti biotics 4 or more times in the last two years hes kept a record of the results and for over 2000 patients found that over 90 of his patients get significant relief of allergic sinus symptoms of course this is only the beginning for his program yeah ill bet tomorrow the world listen uncontrolled studies like this are worthless in my case as i reported a few weeks ago i was developing the classic symptoms outlined in the yeast connection i agree it is a poorly written book e g extreme sensitivity to plastics vapors etc which i never had before started in november within one week of full dosage of sporanox the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared i can now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes im also greatly improved in other areas as well im sure you are you sound like the typical hysteric hypochondriac who responds to miracle cures of course i have allergy symptoms etc i am especially allergic to molds yeasts etc it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body and you have a natural allergy to yeasts that a threshold would be reached where you would have perceptible symptoms yeah it makes sense to me so of course it should be taken seriously snort also yeast do produce toxins of various sorts and again you dont have to be a rocket scientist to realize that such toxins can cause problems in some people yeah it sounds reasonable to me of course the 60 000 question is whether a person who is immune compromised as tests showed i was from over 5 years of antibiotics nutritionally deficiencies because of the stress of infections and allergies etc oh really what tests immune compromised my ass more like credulous malingerer this is a psychiatric syndrome can develop excessive yeast colonization somewhere in the body it is a tough question to answer since testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy one almost has to take an empirical approach to diagnosis fortunately sporanox is relatively safe unlike past anti fungals still have to be careful however so theres no reason any longer to withhold sporanox treatment for empirical reasons you know its a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused in this way its ridiculously expensive and potentially toxic the trouble is that it isnt toxic enough so it gets abused by quacks btw some would say to try nystatin unfortunately most yeast grows hyphae too deep into tissue for nystatin to have any permanent affect youll find a lot of people who are on nystatin all the time the only good thing about nystatin is that its relatively cheap and when taken orally non toxic but oral nystatin is without any systemic effect so unless it were given iv it would be without any effect on your sinuses i wish these quacks would first use iv nystatin or amphotericin b on people like you that would solve the yeast problem once and for all in summary i appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep medicine on the right road but methinks that some who hold too firmly to the party line are academics who havent been in the trenches long enough actually treating patients if anybody doctors included said to me to my face that there is no evidence of the yeast connection i cannot guarantee their safety for their incompetence ripping off their lips is justified as far as i am concerned perhaps a little haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating your symptoms are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket id hate to think my insurance premiums are going towards this steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer baseball southpaw can anyone out there tell me why they call left handed pitchers southpaw also the story on how the term originated thanks go cubs prediction they will finish over 500 this year without winning the east religion scarlet horse of babylon was daemons in article 1qilgninnrko lynx unm edu blowfish leo unm edu ron writes its easy 667 is the neighbor of the beast at 666 the beast lives at the end of a cul de sac r i noticed this dead horse in your keywords line is this the famous scarlet horse of babylon that the beast thats 666 for you illuminatti rides on in those wonderful mediaeval manuscripts if so i fear your announcement that the old girl is dead may be premature i bet 20 on her to place in the 6th race at the downs last sunday and she slid in a bad fifth so she is not dead she is just comatose like god that way i suppose ninja gourmet will fight for food jim peavler my opinions do not exist peavler plk af mil that is why they are called albuquerque nm my opinions medicine re earwax stephen mont cs missouri edu stephen montgomery smith writes what is the healthiest way to deal with earwax should one just leave it in your ear and not mess with it or should you clean it out every so often can cleaning it out damage your eardrums are there any tubes in your ear that might get blocked assuming that the wax is causing hearing loss congestion or popping in the ears you can try some cautious tepid water irrigation with a bulb syringe but it is awkward to do for oneself and may not work or may even make things worse my wife would disagree she does it successfully every six months or so in any case do not attempt anything with q tips my experience has been that this is initially best handled by a ear nose throat person i say initially because an ent can evaluate whether or not you might have success on your own with a little instruction i am not a physician obviously because i eschew the term otolaryngologist this posting is based only on personal experience usual disclaimer the best is the enemy of the good voltaire leon traister lmtra amdahl uts amdahl com c o amdahl corporation 408 737 5449 1250 e arques ave m s 338 p o box 3470 sunnyvale ca 94088 3470 cars re warning please read callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes im not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons but i would ask you if you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your alarm i can think of worse things in the world glad you got out of there before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun i think people have a right to kill to defend their property why not be honest do you really care more about scum than about your car windows ottomenu where can i get it ive heard about ottomenu which should be a good desktop on windows 3 0 3 1 can anybody tell me where i can get it it should be on cica in pub pc win3 util but it is not it is also not an wustl simtel and a great number of other sites just post it or mail me andreas gloege kazmaierstr 48 bei klarmann 8000 muenchen 2 089 508336 email gloege informatik tu muenchen de cars re car buying story was christ another dealer service scam in article 1993apr27 021456 7594 slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com dan day writes in article 1993apr16 162950 25849 newsgate sps mot com rapw20 email sps mot com writes before you go in find out the invoice prices of the car add a reasonable profit for the dealer 200 300 offer them that price and stick to it whoa watch your terminology dealer invoice is not dealer cost thats probably true but its the closest to it that youre going to get the actual dealer cost depends on a lot of things and even the dealer probably doesnt know exactly what it will be until all the factory kick backs incentives etc are paid and that often depends on his volume at the end of the month quarter whatever it might be a funny munber but its all you have to start with except the sticker and anyone who pays sticker price is really being ripped off mark cars any opinions on early 80s toronado having had my car die on me engine fire insurance agent said it was probably totaled i am in the market for a another vehicle i saw a toronado that was within my expected price range and was wondering if anybody could relate their experiences with me namely 1 does it have accceptable power it has a 305 in it 2 does its being front wheel drive make maintenance difficult 3 one power window and the power seat do not work are these expensive items to replace if i do the work myself 4 how long do the engines usually last 90m now 5 any other experiences good or bad and opinions thanks ryan kinter kinter scf usc edu guns re the pill for deer no hunting in article 1qfrhbinno80 cae cad gatech edu vincent cad gatech edu vincent fox says this measure as it will prevent the evil bambi killers from hunting and another will fight it for the interference with nature that it is such a measure would also have another benefit it would relieve the various states of the thorny problem of what to do with the hundreds of millions of dollars hunters pour into the economy annually im sure that to attain sure a lofty humane liberal and ecologically not to mention politically correct goal the environmental and animal rights groups individuals supporting such a measure would be more than willing to add their names to a list of supporters seeking increased taxation to replace these lost revenues i am equally confident that these same entities given their noteworthy record in the area of social responsibility and respect for private property would feel morally and ethically bound to raise the necessary funds to acquire the hundreds of thousands of acres of land now held in private hands solely for use as private hunting preserves by the landowner s to do less than this would place these same groups individuals in the ethically untenable to say nothing of environmentally and politically incorrect position of sanctioning the logging and subsequent development and urbanization of these former private hunting lands which would no longer be useable by or of any benefit to the landowner s in such a capacity w k gorman windows serial printing windows re windows 3 1 slower using dos 6 in article 56720008 hplvec lvld hp com calloway hplvec lvld hp com frank calloway writes not on my system frank calloway nor mine either of them david a fuess dir center for eecs phone 510 423 2436 fax 510 422 9343 lawrence livermore national laboratory baseball re harry caray dave almost cursed the jays kirsch kirsch staff tc umn edu wrote in article 34592 oasys dt navy mil odell oasys dt navy mil bernard ofarmer by thedell writes i am not quite sure of the reasons but the old man was certainly not enraptured by ole harry but maybe his wife was i dont claim to know whether its true or not but a couple different people totally unrelated have said harry was relieved of his duties because he had more than platonic relations with augie buschs wife judgement is left to the individual cuz i sure dont claim to be an impeachable source in this case among those who have said it well not quite said it but certainly alluded to it is bing devine redbird gm or some other administrator at the time i heard bing speak about it at last years sabr national btw have we had a show of hands about who will be attending this years sabr national in san diego ill be there neal traven pitt edu youre only young once but you can be traven vms cis pitt edu immature forever larry andersen guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1993apr23 140355 25353 icd ab com kdw icd ab com kenneth d whitehead writes dusek rtsg mot com james p dusek writes if the fbi started the fire why didn t people flee the burning building could be a lot of reasons james we wont know until the survivors are allowed to speak for themselves rather than through an fbi spokesman some of the survivors have been interviewed on tv as they were going to or returning from court they basically said no way was there any kind of suicide pact or attempt remember the texas holocaust guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article c5uhuo awq usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf writes in article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu nathan engle writes yeah as information trickles in funny how that works funny yeah funny how you didnt wait for the fbi spokesdroid latest reversal of facts before proclaiming the bds burned themselves to death if you wont believe anything the government says and the press is not reliable according to the same logic then what do you base your statements on wild speculation laced with a healthy dose of paranoia personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were guns re the holocaust revisited in article 1993apr21 151601 14962 gozer mv com klm gozer mv com kevin l mcbride writes the u s governments campaign of persecution and genocide against the branch davidians was a resounding success heil clinton heil reno the gestapo is alive and well and living in washington d c are you for real people dumb enough to give their money and possessions to a guy who says hes jesus deserve all they get anyway he killed a few feds hes not the goddam hero here hes dead an im happy kevin who agrees that david koresh was probably a first rate nutcase but who firmly believes that the bill of rights guaranteed his his right to be a religious fanatic and that the government is guilty of violating his civil rights and of 1st degree murder ok which small under represented in congress religious group are we going to persecute next and are we going to torch their church with a rolled up copy of the constitution i think im going to be sick now john bell dundee fc d i t league champions 61 62 runners up 06 07 48 49 dundee league cup wins 51 52 52 53 runners up 67 68 80 81 scotland scottish cup win 1910 runners up 1925 1953 1964 religion re that kill by sword must be killed by sword in article sandvik 190493201048 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes so are you happy now when 70 people including innocent kids died today no and im especially unhappy that these 70 people died in an assault on private property with government armored vehicles i am also unhappy or actually very suspicious that the fbi was dismissing out of hand any chances that they might have accidentally set the blaze themselves i mean i guess we are just supposed to believe that ramming modified tanks into the walls of a building and injecting toxic gases into the building are just routine procedures no way anything could go wrong legalize freedom baseball need software for baseball stats im looking for software hopefully free and runs on unix box which will keep track of statistics for my company softball team batting avg etc if you know of any please post or respond to me by e mail many thanks dan bergmann dbergmann llnl gov medicine epilepsy and video games there have been a few postings in the past on alleged pathological esp neurological conditions induced by playing video games e g nintendo apparently there have been reported several cases of photosensitive epilepsy due to the flashing of some patterns and the strong attention of the young players one poster to comp risks reported some action from the british government a quick search in a database reported the following two published references 1 e j hart nintendo epilepsy in new england j of med 322 20 1473 2 tk daneshmend et al dark warrior epilepsy bmj 1982 284 1751 2 i would appreciate if someone could post or e mail any reference to preferably published further work on the subject any pointer to other information and or to possible technical tools if any for reducing the risks are appreciated many thanks antonella dalessandro pisa italy guns once upon a time american and european universities were full of angry young people tm that wanted to overthrow the government and wouldnt think twice about lobbing a molotov cocktail at the national guard military police in europe certainly it would have been very bad form to take anything the system tm said at face value this was in the end of the sixties and the begining of the seventies im told i was too young to remember something wrong happened along the way im afraid maybe the west became just too comfortable or maybe i was born too late yours disappointed with with the youth of today ps 1 half smilies implied 2 there is a difference between lining up 90 people against the wall and executing them and causing their deaths through negligence imcompetence i honestly hope we witnessed the latter as they say the alternative is too horrible to contemplate 3 im sure the abused children tm from the compound are much safer now ramiro cgwillme pyr swan ac uk baseball re bases loaded walk gives reds win in 12 in article mssc5xb3i 2cg netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes in article 1993apr22 175131 7396 pts mot com ep502dn pts mot com writes in article 7g4 netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes during spring training i made a similarly innoncent looking comment about clutch hitting on this bb and the flames were flying no such thing as clutch hitting they the sdcns all screamed i assumed they also meant there was no such thing as any kind of clutch performance given their comments im still licking the wounds but i do have a rebuttal planned gotta do my homework as they say some deletions rather they showed quite convincingly that past clutch performance has never been able to predict future clutch performance im sure you are convinced dave apparently so is tony perez i however am not i believe at the time of the sabo plate appearance that juan samuel was on the bench available for pinch hit duty over the past four seasons non clutch clutch ab h ba ab h ba sabo 1539 452 294 259 59 228 samuel 1564 383 245 278 83 299 i do not claim that this is a complete statistical analysis that proves the existence of clutch hitting or compelling testimony that samuel would have gotten a base hit im sure there is something wrong with the sample size or that the basic assumption that clutch performance is random invalidates any conclusions from this limited application or something or other i dont pretend to understand statistical analysis well we agree on the last part one of the basic things you need to have in a statistic to be able to predict a players performance on it in the future is for there to be a correlation from year to year a players batting average is correlated fairly well from year to year a players ability to walk or infielders defensive average are correlated better that is to say given their past performance in those statistics we can have a pretty good handle on how theyll do next year put in some simple information about aging and you can do even better one of the basic problems with something like clutch batting average overall batting average is that the correlation from year to year is almost zero adding to the sample size doesnt seem to help much as a counterexample to what you showed consider the following two players from 1984 1987 non clutch clutch ab h ba ab h ba maldonado 1060 260 245 254 78 307 lemon 1643 457 278 256 57 223 if you had had these two players in 1988 by your logic in those clutch situations youd bat maldonado for lemon in a blink of an eye well in 1988 maldonado hit 267 in non clutch and 190 in clutch while lemon hit 254 in non clutch and 313 in clutch before you accuse me of completely cooking the data there were 96 players who had 25 clutch at bats every year from 1984 1988 according to elias as a simple measure of clutchness lets just look at clutch ba non clutch ba if you use 84 87 to predict 88 for those 96 players youd find that 27 of the 96 were below league average in that measure both in 84 87 and in 88 26 were above league average in both periods and the other 43 were above in one and below in the other if you were just flipping coins youd expect to get 24 above below in both and 48 that switched the difference between the observed results and the coin flip experiment is not statisically significant btw correlating players overall batting average from 84 87 with 88 gives a correlation coefficient of 0 59 which is significant at something better than the 99 9 confidence level correlating their clutch non clutch ba for the same period gives a correlation of 0 088 significant at no level of any interest everyone would agree i hope that a grand slam in the bottom of the ninth when your team is down by three is a very clutch hit there is just no way to predict who is more likely to get the clutch hit based on past performance hitting in clutch situations if you say so dave no way actually its technically incorrect to say that we cant predict future clutch performance its more correct to say that we cant predict future clutch performance with any skill harold harold brooks hbrooks uiatma atmos uiuc edu national severe storms laboratory norman ok i used to work for a brewery too but i didnt drink on the job p bavasi on dal maxvills view that florida can win the nl east in 93 baseball re survey yes i know this is not rec music as someone has already pointed out thanks i know that im trying to get a random sample and also im desperate for respones so please dont mail me complaining that it doesnt belong here or that it is wasting bandwidth this affects everybody not just readers of music groups please either complete the survey or hit n because ill just bounce back complaints thank you matt matthew t thompson electrical computer engineering etallic university of new hampshire e mail mtt kepler unh edu or my evil twin at shazam unh edu baseball re braves pitching updatedir amazingly pitchers no matter how good their mechanics are not machines cy young winners dont pitch in a vaccuum unaware of how their offenses are doing the braves pitching staff is already showing signs of cracking under the strain of knowing theyre not going to get many if any runs unfortunately the braves pitchers were so bad for so long that the organization put so much stress and i mean stress on pitching that they completely ignored hitting the braves right now are looking woefully similar to the braves of the mid seventies heaven help us econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke s to my correspondents my email has been changed e l my new address is fls econ duke edu d f if mail bounces try fls raphael acpub duke edu u guns re i believe in gun control in article c4vg3f kx3 apollo hp com nelson p apollo hp com peter nelson writes cj195 cleveland freenet edu john w redelfs writes i believe in gun control how about you i believe in gun control too assuming by gun control you mean always being able to hit your target peter or how about the clint eastwood line in pink cadillac i believe in gun control if theres a gun around i wanna be the one controlling it al standard disclaimer baseball mlb logos part 3 i have posted the logos of the nl east teams to alt binaries pictures misc hopefully ill finish the series up next week with the nl west darren darren reiniger reiniger ug cs dal ca arishem ac dal ca centre for marine geology dalhousie university halifax n s canada people who wonder where this generation is going should remind themselves where it came from in the first place baseball re sex uniforms and good taste in article 1993apr23 052741 28429 news cs brandeis edu st902415 pip cc brandeis edu writes in article 1r6r9s 5ob network ucsd edu king cogsci ucsd edu jonathan king writes which reminds me yet again of a bucs cards game in whitey herzogs last year as cards manager karen and i were watching the game on tv and for some barely explicable reason the camera kept dwelling on the white rhino himself at his uniform filling worst truly horrible do you remember game 7 of the 1988 nlcs after the dodgers defeated the mets and ugh a dugh foo boo fat stomach tom lasorda came running out on to the field in celebration yuck he undulated his arms flew up and down keeping time with his rolling set of 9 stomachs which flew all around the cozy confines of chavez ravine he oozed like a white gastropod he ran it was a disgusting sight not only couldnt i watch my mets in the series i had to watch fat stomach lasorda roll around dodger blargh but what made it memorable was what karen eventually said about this which was i would rather sleep with a jar of bill landrums spit under my pillow than look at whitey herzog in one of those uniforms if you like short fat men who grunt curse and spit a lot whiteys certainly your man former wfan host pete franklin on the white rat but its true this emphasis on the appearance of ballplayers in tight uniforms only works if the player actually has an extraodinary physique looking at charlie houghs scrawny torso through those tight white shirts just sort of makes me decide hmmm i dont want to eat lunch today or tomorrow or anytime soon when al harazin first became mets gm he was asked if he intended to help redesign the mets uniforms and change their image in particular they asked him about the orange and blue racing stripe that runs down the sides the uniforms he said that hes very much in favor of keeping them because theyre sleek and theyre sexy sid fernandez in a tight fitting uniform with a sleek racing stripe to denote speed and potencty mmmmmmmm lard kevin mcreynolds diving after a fly ball mmmmmmmm man o war baby pat howell well never mind nothing could be tight on him they dont make uniform sizes that small adam wishes he contribute something more interesting to r s b levin jason a miller some doctor guy frank tanana 1 0 1 50 baseball re new home for the bosox in article 1993apr15 132741 11322 scott skidmore edu jrogoff scott skidmore edu jay rogoff writes while were on the multipurpose subject lets not forget shea which was designed to accommodate both the mets jets it was the first stadium i think to have the box seats on rollers so they could be oriented at right angles for baseball in parallel for football minor point shea stadium was designed as a multi purpose stadium but not with the jets in mind as the tennant the new york football giants had moved to yankee stadium from the polo grounds in 1958 and was having problem with stadium management the city did not own yankee stadium until 1972 the idea was to get the giants to move into shea when a deal was worked out between the giants and the yankees the new afl franchise the new york titans approached the city about using the new stadium the titans were playing in downing stadium where the cosmos played soccer in the 70s because shea stadium was tied into the worlds fair anyway the city thought it would be a novel idea to promote the new franchise and the worlds fair like they were doing with the mets so the deal was worked out of course with the jets gone to jersey and a truly good football stadium the mets are saddled with a multipurpose stadium where because its circular the seats are almost always too far from the action the mets announcers kiner murphy in particular have always hyped it as beautiful shea stadium a tipoff to how unbeautiful it truly is im under the impression that when murph says it he means it as a regular goer to shea it is not a bad place since theyve cleaned and renovated the place remember this is its 30th year scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe lets go mets medicine re lactose intolerance in article 1993apr5 165716 59 immunex com rousseaua immunex com writes in article ng4 733990422 husc harvard edu ng4 husc11 harvard edu ho leung ng writes when i was a kid in primary school i used to drink tons of milk without any problems however nowadays i can hardly drink any at all without experiencing some discomfort what could be responsible for the change ho leung ng ng4 husc harvard edu oops my original message died ill try again i always understood perhaps wrongly that the bacteria in our digestive tracts help us break down the components of milk perhaps the normal flora of the intestine changes as one passes from childhood is there a pathologist or microbiologist in the house anne marie rousseau e mail rousseaua immunex com please note that these opinions are mine and only mine guns apology was luser i was shocked to see that the subject of my last rely to awesley was luser that was certainly not my intention i meant to leave the subject line unchanged i believe that the nntp server i use at columbia must have put in that subject line in protest over problems with my header that was rather rude of them but beggars cant be choosers i suppose in any case i didnt do it and i apologize to awesley for the apparent insult john l scott guns re gun buy back in article 16bb8b194 r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes in article 1993apr22 134330 9761 rti rti org jbs rti rti org writes in article 16bb7ba6a r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes gun buyback programs will hopefully have an impact on accidental shootings especially youths domestic disputes where a gun is available in the heat of emotion and anger and maybe keep a few guns from being stolen and later used in street level crime what gives you the idea that gun buyback programs will have an impact on any of these things evidence please please dont misinterret what i was saying joe i was making the point tha there is no evidence of effect of gun buyback programs but hopefully if there is any effect it may prevent injuries or deaths in one of these types of common incidents if youre a research associate in urban child research then perhaps you can comment for us on the ratio of the accidental gun death rate to the rate of accidental death from other single causes follow that perhaps with some sort of justification for the amount of effort that anti gunners spend trying to convince the country that accidental gun related death among children in the u s is a serious problem firearms are the fifth leading cause of unintentional deaths among children ages 14 and under i dont understand how the ratio to other accidental deaths is important so guns dont kill as many children as car accidents what is the difference in severity between 1 000 deaths and 10 000 deaths i am not trying to use accidental gun related deaths among children as a justification for gun control who needs to be convinced that accidental gun deaths of children is a serious problem i assumed that any humane person would be concerned when any 10 year old got hold of their parents gun from their bedroom drawer and accidently blew away one of their friends any death is serious wanna discuss match control firearms related unintentional deaths among children ages 14 and under are the fault of one or more negligent persons not the gun more than anything gun buyback programs are symbolic offerings to the community in that sense i think they might do a little good please explain why you think symbolic offerings do good my point was gun buyback programs which are almost always run by police departments might i stress might do a little i stress little good by giving people the impression that the police are attempting to respond to interpersonal gun violence in a unique way overall i thought that i had made it clear that i did not think that gun buyback programs were useful providing false hope then is the intent i do know that the vast majority of guns that are used by youths or brought to school by youths on a daily basis about 135 000 youths are obtained easily and quickly through a personal friend or more often borrowed from a parent without their knowledge i suggest you go back and look at wherever you saw these statistics i suspect youll find if you look carefully that 135 000 is the number of students estimated to have carried a weapon not necessarily a gun to school at least once in the past year and not the number of students who carry a gun to school daily well joe i suggest that you talk to the center to prevent handgun violence or the centers for disease control if you look carefully you will see that you greatly underestimate the presence of guns in the lives of youths the cphv reports that 135 000 youth bring guns to school daily and that 400 000 bring guns to school at least once a year the cdc estimates that 1 out 0f 25 high school students carried a gun to school at least once in 1990 the cdc also says that 1 2 million elementary aged latch key children kids who come home from school to an empty house have access to guns in their home california schools reported a 200 increase in student gun confiscations between 1986 and 1990 and a 40 increase between 1988 and 1990 florida reported a 61 percent increase in gun incidents in schools between 1986 87 amd 1987 88 these are the statistics 200 increase in california schools eh gun control is working fine there thus willing to follow a man who claimed to be the messiah got news for you folks if the big cheese was on this crazy planet of ours presently he would not be carrying a gun or holding children when they were in danger holding kids time for a reality check son these kids were the children of the people inside who believed that the forces of evil were outside waiting to kill them would you send your children out the door if you believed as they did okay maybe i worded it wrong dad i meant that to put children in a situation fortified compound where harm could come to them is not the act of a messiah in my opinion im not saying that koresh had control over these children directly but i would hope that whatever messiah there is would not let innocent children die if as he claimed he was the messiah and people followed him as such why did he not tell their parents to free the children instead of letting them burn alive thanks for the reality check joe its been real so your religion is different does that make it his wrong even assuming koresh actually made that decision and the verdict is still out on that rodney jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 baseball torre the worst manager joe torre has to be the worst manager in baseball for anyone who didnt see sundays game with a right hander pitching he decides to bench lankform a left handed hitter and play jordan and gilkey both right handers later in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts lankford a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses luis alicea a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter what the hell is he thinking earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring mark whiten he commented how fortunate the cardinals were to get whiten and that whiten would be a regular even though this meant that gilkey would be hurt but torre said he liked gilkey coming off the bench gilkey hit over 300 last year what does he have to do to start the guy would be starting on most every team in the league furthermore in sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate the replay showed bucky dent the third base coach looking down the line and waving lankford home i cant take this anymore brian a very distressed cardinal fan brian landmann georgia institute of technology internet gt7469a prism gatech edu cars re photo radar was re rec autos frequently in article 2211 viewlogic com brad buck viewlogic com bradford kellogg writes in article 1993mar20 050303 8401 cabot balltown cma com welty cabot balltown cma com richard welty writes q what is ka band radar where is it used should a radar detector be able to handle it a ka band has recently been made available by the fcc for use in the us in so called photo radar installations in these installations a low powered beam is aimed across the road at a 45 degree angle to the direction of traffic and a picture is taken of vehicles which the radar unit determines to have been in violation of the speed limit tickets are mailed to the owner of the vehicle because of the low power and the 45 degree angle many people believe that a radar detector cannot give reasonable warning of a ka band radar unit although some manufacturers of radar detectors have added such capability anyway the number of locales where photo radar is in use is limited and some question the legality of such units best advice learn what photo radar units look like and keep track of where they are used or else dont speed photo radar and mailed tickets make no sense at all speeding is a moving violation committed by the operator not the owner the owner may be a rental agency a dealer a private party or a government agency as long as the owner has no reason to expect the operator will be driving illegally or unsafely the owner cannot be held responsible for what the operator does the car may even have been driven without the owners knowledge or consent i cant believe a mailed ticket where the driver is not identified would stand up in court this is obviously a lazy cynical boneheaded fascist way to extort revenue and has nothing to do with public safety bk we had those f g photo radar things here in sweden a while ago there was a lot of fuzz about them and a lot of sabotage too a spray can with touch up paint can do a lot of good eventually they had to drop the idea as there were a lot of court cases where the owner of the car could prove he didnt drive it at the time of speeding i especially recall a case where it eventually proved to be a car thief that had stolen a car and made false plates he ofcourse chose a license number of a identical car so the photo seemed correct in conclosion photo radar sucks every way you look at it markus windows re head to head win and os 2 in article 1993may17 165456 12652 mtu edu msbendts mtu edu michael scott bendtsen writes im waiting for june first to roll around when i can then get my hands on pc solaris unix for the intel chip i know that there are many of other unix possibilities out there but this includes the wabi windows api binary interface i think technology that wil run windows apps straight outta da box it will certainly help to be able to run windows and dos apps but the only way that solaris or os 2 or any other scheme is going to challenge microsoft is if they can somehow get the prices for solaris or os 2 or whatever apps down to a dos competitive level everybody would rather run a solaris app on a solaris system and an os 2 app on an os 2 system they usually just cant afford a unix system because of the high prices for good unix software the natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield thomas jefferson brad kepley kepley photon phys unca edu 704 252 8330 voice days guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes an eduer not towing the party line thank you jim youre welcome actually im probably something of an outcast because ive committed the ultimate college student heresy im not a liberal this is not liberal bashing mike this above all to thine own s t r i d e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self be true polonius those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in a previous article banschbach vms ocom okstate edu says least a few enlightened physicians practicing in the u s its really too bad that most u s medical schools dont cover nutrition because if they did candida would not be viewed as a non disease by so many in the medical profession case western reserve med school teaches nutrition in its own section as well as covering it in other sections as they apply i e b12 deficiency in neuro as a cause of neuropathy b12 deficiency in hematology as a cause of megaloblastic anemia yet i sill hold the viewpoint of mainstream medicine candida can cause mucocutaneous candidiasis and in already very sick patients with damaged immune systems like aids and cancer patients systemic candida infection i think the yeast connection is a bunch of hooey what does this have to do with how well nutrition is taught anyway here is a brief primer on yeast yeast infections as they are commonly called are not truely caused by yeasts the most common organism responsible for this type of infection is candida albicans or monilia which is actually a yeast like fungus well maybe im getting picky but i always thought that a yeast was one form that a fungus could exist in the other being the mold form many fungi can occur as either yeasts or molds depending on environment candida exibits what is known as reverse dimorphism it exists as a mold in the tissues but exists as a yeast in the environment should we maybe call it a mold infection a fungus infection maybe we should say it is caused by a mold like fungus martin banschbach ph d professor of biochemistry and chairman department of biochemistry and microbiology osu college of osteopathic medicine 1111 west 17th st tulsa ok 74107 youre the chairman of biochem and micro and you didnt know that a yeast is a form of a fungus shudder or maybe you did know and were oversimplifying medicine re any info on vasomotor rhinitis disclaimer im a sufferer not a doctor im not sure theres a really sharp distinction between allergic and vasomotor rhinitis basically vasomotor rhinitis means your nose is stuffy when it has no reason to be not even an identifiable allergy decongestants and steroid sprays work for vasomotor rhinitis also i can get surprising relief from purely superficial measures such as saline moisturizing spray and moisturizing gel michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi medicine re too many mris in article 1993apr12 165410 4206 kestrel edu king reasoning com dick king writes i recall reading somewhere during my youth in some science popularization book that whyle isotope changes dont normally affect chemistry a consumption of only heavy water would be fatal and that seeds watered only with heavy water do not sprout does anyone know about this i also heard this i always thought it might make a good eposide of columbo for someone to be poisoned with heavy water it wouldnt show up in any chemical test baseball how to speed up games marginally realistic you want to speed up ballgames 1 enforce the two minutes between innings as it is many fields are allowing three minutes between them fifteen seconds before tv commercials are gone to thirty or so before action begins upon the return to the game two minutes last out to first pitch or a ball is called 2 dont grant time to batters just because they want it they may get pissed at first but theyll get in line once anything the pitcher throws while theyre adjusting their wristbands is a strike 3 mandate a rule permitting only n seconds between pitches the current rule is too lenient and then enforce it fifteen seconds is more than enough time if the pitch isnt released in 15 call it a ball and restart the clock baseball games take about 2 51 in the nl and just a shade under 3 hours in the al thats just too damn long i dont like to play in 3 hour games much less watch a game for that long my butt falls asleep and if im watching on tv ill channel surf between pitches catching colorized versions of mr ed leave it to beaver and those wacky nieporents on nick at nite gary huckabay you think thats loud enough a hole movie rights well if youre having trouble hearing it sir available thru id be happy to turn it up for you i didnt ted frank know that many people your age liked kings x religion re the gospels josephus etc and origins in article 1993apr21 225146 20804 rambo atlanta dg com wpr atlanta dg com bill rawlins writes the macroevolutionary tree is full of holes please show me a few intermediate forms between reptile and bird are you so ignorant that you have never heard of archaeopteryx bill rawlins wpr atlanta dg com the special creation theory is nothing but holes please show me a species poofed into existence by your god i have never seen this chris colby email colby bu bio bu edu my boy he said you are descended from a long line of determined resourceful microscopic tadpoles champions every one kurt vonnegut from galapagos cars re ford sho engine parts w will not do work on internal engine components of the sho engine this w w good thing too w w at about 25k miles my cam sensor went south 2 different ford w dealers tried 5 or 6 different fixes none of which worked finally w i took it down the street to the local mechanic this guy reads the w code off the engine computer says bad cam sensor and fixes it in w an hour a friend of mine had some sensors damaged by flood waters ford denys any sensors are registering bad he and his father did the short a circut via paper clip method not sure of the exact technique and read the codes off the service engine light flashes generated from this came up with the damaged sensors went back to ford and told them what was wrong they fixed the car after that what a bunch of bozos the cutting edge bbs cutting hou tx us a pcboard 14 5a system houston texas usa 1 713 466 1525 running uupcb medicine re contraceptive pill jec watson ibm com wrote a very simple question it seems to me that the contraceptive pill just prevents the ovule to nest in the vagina and forces it to fall every month but it does not prevent the fertilzation of the ovule is it true if yes is there a risk of extra uterine pregnancy that is the development of the ovule inside the fallopian tube actually that is not how the pill works but it is how the iud works the oral contraceptive pill actually prevents ovulation from occuring by providing negatve feedback to the pituitary gland and thus preventing the lh surge that normally occurs at the time of ovulation with the iud what happens is that fertilization may occur but the device prevents implantation within the wall of the uterus not the vagina kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer medicine vitamin a and hearing loss i heard a news report indicating research showing improved hearing in people taking vitamin a the research showed that new growth replaced damaged hairlike nerves has anyone heard about this thanks claude claude bowie voice 901 797 6332 federal express corp fax 901 797 6388 box 727 2891 memphis tn 38194 email claude banana fedex com religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed in article 1993apr21 093914 1 woods ulowell edu cotera woods ulowell edu writes in article 1r17j9 5ie sbctri sbc com netd susie sbc com writes in article 20apr199301460499 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu stephen writes for those who think david koresh didnt have a solid structure or sound biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast i dont think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his sermon its the deaths hes responsible for that concern most people i assume you have evidence that he was responsible for the deaths only my common sense the fire was caused by either koresh and his followers or by the fbi atf cia kgb and maybe the harper valley pta since you are throwing around the evidence arguement ill throw it back can you prove any government agency did it please dont resort to they covered it up so that proves they did it or any wild theories about how the government agencies intentionally started the fire the key words are proof and evidence proves they did it all that thou shalt not kill stuff id like to point out that the bible says do not commit murder the nkj translation mistranslates self defense was never considered murder the please explain how koresh was defending himself from those children who burned tim henrion southwestern bell technology resources thenrion sbctri sbc com windows many people on one machine i have several people sharing my machine and would like to set up separate environments under windows for each of them is there some way of setting things up separate desktops directories for each of them ideally id like totally separate virtual machines id be willing to settle for less and may end up having batch files that copy ini files around depending on who wants to use the machine mark alas setup n doesnt work if you dont have a network windows windows backgrounds help im bored with the current windows backgrounds we have here and am looking for some nifty pictures to use instead ive seen from previous posts that many sites exist that store pictures available through anonymous ftp except that i cant ftp to remote sites from my machine what i can do is use ftpmail mail a list of commands to a server and receive a mail of files and or data back does anyone know of sites with windows compatible pictures that can be accessed in such a way if you do would you please post them tia mark ps maybe this would make a useful faq mark whalley gec mrc co uk only in silence the word phone 44 245 473331 exn 3114 only in darkness light the views expressed here are mine only in dying life all mine and nothing whatsoever to bright the hawks flight on the do with gec mrc empty sky ursula k le guin medicine re antidepressants without restating the thread going here zoloft is a stimulating antidepressant it is unfortunate that antidepressant therapy is trial and error but if it is any help there are a lot of people using the side effects of the many medications to help manage other conditions hang in there maybe someday a brain chemistry set will be available and all the serotonin questions will have answers please no flames i have enough to deal with guns bomb laws was re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c64cpi m1f news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes the primary purpose of fertilizer is not to explode or kill people maybe just a law saying you cannot use this stuff to make a bomb would be good even better lets pass a law making it illegal to kill people with bombs of any sort henry schaffer p s thanks for explaining the primary purpose of fertilizer now i can stop worrying about the world trade towers bombing medicine allergies and stuff was is msg sensitivity superstition unless i plan on getting sick i wont eat the stuff without my seldane and did i ever learn to read labels it might not please a medical researcher but it pleased my own personal physician enough for him to give me allergy medicine allergy medicine huh is this just to get rid of the resultant migraine or whatever or does it actually suppress allergic reactions i e like an antihistamine does as far as doctors over here are concerned if you slip up and eat something youre allergic to even if they wont test you to tell you what to avoid then tough if a cheap medicine will alleviate your symptoms then fine otherwise you just suffer one doctor did prescribe me imigran costs the nhs 48 for 6 tablets after having to rehydrate me because id been throwing up for four solid days and couldnt even drink water but i got taken off it again when i moved and had to change doctors reasoning they did not know what the side effects were because it was new ok fine but it has passed the safety tests to get on the prescription list and anyway i was prepared to take the risk to have quality of life now the only alternatives i have is to get it prescribed privately which i cannot afford or to pay a private allergy specialist to test me and tell me what to avoid i am fairly certain i am allergic to more than one chemical additive as a lot of things i cant eat have nothing in common except things i know are safe so testing myself isnt really an option there are too many permutations im not saying i never consume anything with msg ive noticed that i have a certain tolerance level like a small bag of bbq chips once a month or so it not a problem but that same bag of chips will bother me if i also had chicken bouillon yesterday and lunch at one of the chinese restaurants the day before yes ive noticed that and i can work it up by eating just under the tolerance level fairly regularly if i dont eat anything except home cooking for a month or so i lose it and have to work it up from scratch a bad experience now i know what the early warning symptoms are though i can usually tell whether i am allergic to food before ive eaten too much of it usually medicine re exercise and migraine in article 1993apr15 163133 25634 ntmtv janet ntmtv com janet jakstys writes this isnt the first time that ive had a migraine occur after exercise im wondering if anyone else has had the same experience and i wonder what triggers the migraine in this situation heat buildup dehydration im not giving up tennis so is there anything i can do besides get into shape and dont play at high noon to prevent this ive gotten migraines after exercise though for me it seems to be related to exercising without having eaten recently sherri nichols snichols adobe com cars re no haggle deals save a local dealer is advertising no negotiation necessary make you wonder medicine need values for aorta we need following data for human aorta tear and shear stress for aorta a plot of the aortic cross sectional area stroke volume at the aortic root approximate distribution of blood through the major arterial branches of the aorta flow velocity of blood in aorta we have various values for flow velocity if you have any data remember to give us the references too include in our report stud jakob hilmer fax 45 45 93 34 34 hus 7 1 gr 8a roskilde university denmark postbox 260 dk 4000 roskilde medicine re barbecued foods and health risk heat shock proteins are those whose expression is induced in response to elevated temperature some are also made when organisms are subjected to other stress conditions e g high salt they have no obvious connection to what happens when you burn proteins sanford silverman opinions expressed here are my own american cyanamid sandy pt cyanamid com silvermans pt cyanamid com yeast is best medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition is there such a thing as msg monosodium glutamate sensitivity superstition anybody here have experience to the contrary as a person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are too i want to know why the food industry wants to put msg in food somebody in the industry give me some reasons why is it an industrial byproduct that needs getting get rid of is it to cover up the fact that the recipes are not very good or the food is poor quality do some of you get a sadistic pleasure out of making some of us sick do the taste testers have some defect in their flavor sensors mouth etc that msg corrects i really dont understand also nitrosiamines sp and sulfites why them there are safer ways to preserve food wines and beers i think 1 outlaw the use of these substances without warning labels as large as those on cig packages 2 require 30 of comparable products on the market to be free of these substances and state that they are free of msg dyes nitrosiamines and sulfites on the package 3 while at it outlaw yellow dye 5 for that matter why dye food 4 take the dyes and flavorings out of vitamins in my osco only stress tabs tm didnt have yellow dye 5 my doctor says yellow dye 5 is responsible for 1 2 of all nasal polyps keep food food quit putting in junk just my two cents worth sig a person tired of getting sick from this junk walter lundby walter lundby windows re wp pcf linux risc the risc means reduced instruction set computer the risc usually has small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase the clock rate to have a high performance you can read some books about computer architecture for more information about risc hmm not that i am an authority on risc but i clearly remember reading that the instruction set on risc cpus is rather large the difference is in addressing modes risc instruction sets are not as orthogonal is cisc there are some things you might be interested to know about todays risc processors it is true that there are fewer instructions but what is not commonly known is that this causes the size of your executables to swell so that in some cases performance is similar for larger applications as a compromise many risc processors today are actually a cross between a reduced instructions set and a complex one this is not to say that there is no future in cisc processors intel has certainly proved that what i want to know is what does this have to do with this group dave subject re wp pcf linux risc newsgroups comp unix dos under unix comp sys ibm pc misc comp sys ibm pc net comp os ms windows apps comp os ms windows misc alt uu comp os linux questions comp apps spreadsheets comp misc alt os linux comp os linux man linux references 1qu8ud 2hd sunb ocs mq edu au from article 1qu8ud 2hd sunb ocs mq edu au by eugene mpce mq edu au in article c5o1yq m34 csie nctu edu tw ghhwang csie nctu edu tw ghhwang writes dear friend the risc means reduced instruction set computer the risc usually has small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase the clock rate to have a high performance you can read some books about computer architecture for more information about risc hmm not that i am an authority on risc but i clearly remember reading that the instruction set on risc cpus is rather large the difference is in addressing modes risc instruction sets are not as orthogonal is cisc some people say its fun but i think its very serious eugene macadam mpce mq edu au dave siegel ds4 president rtd systems and networking inc president uofaz hardware and computing knowledge society hacks dsiegel cs arizona edu dsiegel hacks arizona edu dsiegel rtd com guns dont knock the glock was re my gun is like my am ex card in article 93104 231049u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes in article 1qie2rinn1b9 cae cad gatech edu vincent cad gatech edu vincent fox says all your points are very well taken and things that i havent considered as i am not really familiar enough with handguns some police departments switched to glocks and then started quietly switching many officers back to the old revolvers too many were having accidents partly due to the poor training they received not that glocks require rocket scientists but some cops are baffled by something as complex as the timer on a vcr hell a glock is the last thing that should be switched to the only thing that i know about a glock is the lack of a real safety on it sure there is that little thing in the trigger but that isnt too great of a safety ahem hrumph you have encurred the wrath of glock owners we will beat you with our hammers oooops dont have any seriously there is no difference in the safeties betweena glock and any da revolver intellectually think of the glock as a very high cap revolver ignoring stove pipes misfeeds and all the other bonus exercises that autoloaders give you that is every gun has its safe moment and its dangerous moment if you just learn how to handle it it becomes a lot less dangerous to you dillon pyron the opinions expressed are those of the ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated 214 462 3556 when im here 214 492 4656 when im home texans vote no on robin hood we need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions not gestures padi dm 54909 medicine re organ donation and transplantation fact sheet in a previous article dougb comm mot com doug bank says in article 1993apr12 205726 10679 sbcs sunysb edu mhollowa ic sunysb edu organ donors are healthy people who have died suddenly usually through accident or head injury they are brain dead the organs are kept alive through mechanical means ok so how do you define healthy people my wife cannot donate blood because she has been to a malarial region in the past three years in fact she tried to have her bone marrow typed and they wouldnt even do that why i cant donate blood either because not only have i been to a malarial region but i have also been diagnosed and surgically treated for testicular cancer the blood bank wont accept blood from me for 10 years obviously it wouldnt be of much help to treat one problem by knowingly introducing another cancer mestastizes my imperfect understanding of the facts are that gonadal cancer is particularly dangerous in this regard i havent done the research on it but i dont recall ever hearing of a case of cancer being transmitted by a blood transfusion probably just a common sense kind of arbitrary precaution transmissable diseases like malaria though are obviously another story michael holloway e mail mhollowa ccmail sunysb edu mail to freenet is forwarded phone 516 444 3090 baseball re designated hitter rule ekdfc ttacs1 ttu edu david coons the rules say baseball is a game between two teams of nine players each lets keep it that way niepornt phoenix princeton edu david marc nieporent not any more the rules dont say that so thats a pretty dumb argument really my little mind be boggled i dont have a 1993 rule book yet so david would you please post the new wording of rule 1 01 i am mightily curious much thanks wayne hathaway domain wayne ultra com ultra network technologies uucp ames ultra wayne 101 daggett drive phone 408 922 0100 x132 san jose ca 95134 fax 408 433 9287 cars need info on 88 89 bonneville i am a little confused on all of the models of the 88 89 bonnevilles i have heard of the le se lse sse ssei could someone tell me the differences are far as features or performance i am also curious to know what the book value is for prefereably the 89 model and how much less than book value can you usually get them for in other words how much are they in demand this time of year i have heard that the mid spring early summer is the best time to buy neil gandler medicine re food related seizures sharon paulson paulson tab00 larc nasa gov wrote once again we are waiting i have been thinking that it would be good to get to as large a group as possible to see if anyone has any experience with this kind of thing i know that members of the medical community are sometimes loathe to admit the importance that diet and foods play in our general health and well being anyway as you can guess i am worried sick about this and would appreciate any ideas anyone out there has sorry to be so wordy but i wanted to really get across what is going on here i dont know anything specifically but i have one further anecdote a colleague of mine had a child with a serious congenital disease tuberous sclerosis along with mental retardation comes a serious seizure disorder the parents noticed that one thing that would precipitate a seizure was a meal with corn in it i have always wondered about the connection and further about other dietary ingredients that might precipitate seizures other experiences would be interesting to hear about from netters david ozonoff md mph boston university school of public health dozonoff med itvax1 bu edu 80 east concord st t3c 617 638 4620 boston ma 02118 guns re batf fbi revenge in article mjones 735513787 fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes whughes lonestar utsa edu william w hughes writes i have already called senators legislators and the governor demanding that the warrants be unsealed and that all involved in this atrocity including the president attorney general and governor be suspended pending an investigation welcome to amerika lets see first you want everybody up through the president suspended pending an investigation then you refer to amerika guess you remembered to take your irony supplements this morning eh sigh it is standard procedure to suspend law enforcement officers or re assign them to administrative non enforcement duties while an investigation into possible misconduct is going on the administration has given no indication that such suspensions will occur in this case and given that the president attorney general and governor were all involved in the decisions that led to the waco massacre they should also suspend all activities regarding law enforcement given their positions that equates to an enforced vacation remember waco who will the government decide to murder next maybe you opinions are mine i dont care if you blame the university or the state windows re re re challenge to microsoft supporters in article c716uq ii3 feenix metronet com jack feenix metronet com jack hudler writes in article twalls 02vo ncc1701d demon co uk twalls ncc1701d demon co uk tim walls writes but i dont want to have to run blasted windows every time i want to delete a tree it is absolutely ludicrous to load a hog like that just to delete some files it would be like requiring a crane to change the tyre on a car then why dont you download som of the public domain utilitys the do exactly what you want an shut up why should he have to this sort of thing should be included how about the millions of people who dont have access to pd libraries over networks just because people can work around it doesnt mean that something shouldnt be done to remedy the situation mark medicine re chromium as dietary suppliment for weight loss in article 1993apr29 145140 10559 newsgate sps mot com rhca80 melton sps mot com henry melton writes my wife has requested that i poll the sages of usenet to see what is known about the use of chromium in weight control diet suppliments she has seen multiple products advertising it and would like any kind real information my first impulse was yuck a metal but i have zero data on it what do you know henry melton ill tell you all that i know about chromium but before i do i want to get a few things off my chest i just got blasted in e mail for my kidney stone posts kidney stones are primarily caused by diet as is heart disease and cancer when i give dietary advise it is not intended to encourage people reading this news group or sci med nutrition where i do most of my posting to avoid seeing a doctor nothing can be further from the truth kidney stones can be caused by tumors and this possibility has to be ruled out but once it is diet is a good way of preventing a reoccurance same thing with heart disease and cancer if you suspect that you may have a problem with one of these diseases dont use what im going to tell you or what you read in some book to avoid going to a doctor you have to go hopefully you will find a doctor who knows enough about nutrition to help you change your risk factors for both diseases as part of a treatment program but the odds are that you will not and thats why im here when my wife detected a lump in here breast i didnt say dont worry my vitamin e will take care of it any breast lump has to be worked up by a physician plan and simple if its begnin which most are fine then maybe a diet change and supplementation will prevent further breast lumps from occuring but let me tell you right now if you have tried diet and supplementation and another lump returns get your butt into the doctors office as fast as your little feet can carry you better yet have a mammography done on a regular basis my wife kept putting hers off both myself and her gynocologist told her she needed to have one done her gynocologist even scheduled one but she didnt show up too busy running the operating room for the biggest hospital in tulsa one more thing i am not an orthomolecular nutritionist this group uses high dose vitamins and minerals to treat all kinds of disease there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that vitamins and minerals can and do have drug actions in the body but you talk about flying blind man this is really blind treatment no drug could ever be used as these vitamins and minerals are being used im not saying that some of this stuff couldnt be right on the money it may well be but my approach to nutrition is a lot like that of weinsier and morgan the two m ds who wrote the new clinical nutrition textbook my push is the nutrient reserves and the lab tests needed to measure these reserves and then supplementation or diet changes to get these reserves built up to where they should be to let you handle stress thats where im coming from folks blast away if you want im not going to change put me in your killfile if you want i really dont care im averaging 8 10 e mail messages a day from people who think that ive got something important to say but im also getting hit by a few with an axe to grind thats life chromium is one of the trace elements it has a very limited but very important role in the body it is used to form glucose tolerance factor gtf gtf is made up of chromium nicinamide niacin glycine cysteine and glutamic only the chromium and the niacin are needed from the diet to form gtf some foods already have gtf liver brewers or nutritional yeast and black pepper when chromium is in gtf a pretty good absorption is seen about 20 but when it is simply present as a mineral or mineral chelate chromium picolinate its absorption is much lower 1 to 2 lowest for all the minerals ive been posting in misc fitness and chromium has come up there several times as a fat burner chromium is among the least toxic of the minerals so you could really load yourself up and not really do any harm i wouldnt do it though the adequate and safe range for chromium is 50 to 200ug per day the average american is getting about 30ug per day from his her diet chromium levels decrease with age and many believe that adult onset diabetes is primarily a chromium deficiency i can cite you several studies that have been done with glucose tolerance in type ii diabetes but im not going to because for each positive one there also seems to be a negative one as well im convinced that the problem is bioavailability when yeast gtf is used good results are obtained but when chromium itself is used the results are usually negative in addition to type ii diabetes chromiuum has been examined in cardiovascular disease and glucoma again with mixed results as far as cardiovascular disease is concerned since a high blood glucose level can lead to cardiovascular disease this possible link with chromium isnt too surprising glucoma is a little more interesting muscle eye focusing activity is primarily an insulin responsive glucose driven metabolic function if this eye focusing activity is impaired by a lack of glucose due to a poor insulin response intraocular pressure is believed to be elevated in a fairly large study of 400 pts with glaucoma the one consistent finding was a low rbc chromium j am coll nutr 10 5 536 1991 but this one preliminary study should not prompt people to go out and start popping chromium supplements for one thing just about every older person is going to have a low rbc chromium unless they have been taking chromium suppleemnts yeast since glucoma is often found in older people its not too surprising that chromium was low in the rbcs if chromium supplementation could reverse glucoma that would prompt some attention i suspect that there will be a clinical trail to check out this possible chromium link to glucoma you could find out what your body chromium pool size was by either the rbc chromium test or hair analysis most clinical labs are not going to run a rbc chromium there are plenty of labs that will do a hair and nail analysis for you but i wouldnt use them there is just too much funny business going on in these unregulated labs right now heres weinsier and morgan advise on chromium they do not consider chromium to be one of those minerals for which a reliable clinical test is available they dont like the hair and nail analysis labs either and they also recognize the rbc chromium is primarily a research test that is not routinely available in most clinical chemistry labs this has to change and as more labs run a rbc chromiuum it will what then do they suggest make a diagnosis of chromium deficiency based on a documented clinical response to chromium run a glucose tolerance test before and after chromium supplementation once you make the diagnosis put the patient on 200ug of crcl3 orally each day or 10grams of yeast per day whats my advise dont take chromium supplements to try to loose weight they just do not work that way if you want to take them and then exercise that would be great do include yeast as part of your diet most americans are not getting enough chromium from their diet if you do have a poor glucose tolerance ask your doctor to check your chromium status when he or she says what in the world are you talking about just say please get a copy of weinsier and morgans new clinical nutrition textbook and do what they say to do with patients who present with a poor glucose tolerance if you cant do that ill find a doctor who can thank you very much marty b windows eps display software does any one know of any shareware freeware software which lets one display eps files on a pc with dos and or windows your reply would be much appreciated thanks hal adam hadam bcsc02 gov bc ca baseball re strike zone width 23 was re jose cansecos in article 2bd51686 atlas nafb trw com mspede atlas nafb trw com writes well its just studying tape frame by frame thats all the biggest thing that you notice however is how bastardized the strike zone has become death to the umpires union the plate is 17 1 across not 23 call the high strikes strikes and quit calling pitches 3 outside strikes theyre balls speaking of this 23 wide strike zone id sure like to see cameras placed in each major league park such that an overview shot of home plate is available cbs had this during the ws or did i just dream it then again players managers must not be too upset with the current 23 wide strike zone mark pede wait a minute if i read the rules right a stike is any portion of the ball over any portion of the plate given that the ball is 2 9 in diameter this sez that the zone width is 17 2 2 9 or 22 8 while this is still less than the 23 number given i can forgive any ump for misjudging 2 on an object moving at 85 to 100 miles per hour many times not in a straight line i think the umpires union has a great grasp of the rules david edwards cars re its a rush was re too fast in article c5r43y f0d mentor cc purdue edu marshatt feserve cc purdue edu zauberer writes i guess i wasnt clear enough here i said the roads were designed for speeds of 80 or so and still be safe the current 55 65 will add a saftey margin they were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 i forget the exact spec but for military vehicles thats 80 in a 1958 dodge powerwagon not 80 in a 1993 ford taurus baseball re jays darrin jackson is a nightmare in article 1993apr19 061102 16204 r node hub org shadow r node hub org jay chu writes jackson is a bum and i thought the jays were smart to get rid of gruber now we get equally bad im frustrated pat gillick is over rated sure he did some good moves in the past but releasing wells although his temper sucks but hes better than morris stewart dayley if the jays were dumping salaries to keep 2mill jackson dayley should be the one to go before wells of course they dumped dayley but its too late since dayleys salary was guarenteed with wells the jays were only on the hook for 25 of it give jackson a break he lost about 10 pounds with that flu he had when he was traded wells was already claimed by the tigers 0 6 era with 2 wins also the jimmy key and winfield situations pissed the hell outta me would you see a championship club wanting to repeat so badly wanted to have such a i would rather have molitor than winfield winfield was just hogging all the credit and he was trying to soak the jays for a 3 year guarenteed contract great turnover no way look at the pittsburg penguins they got some aging players but didnt make stupid trades to dump them cuz the fans love those players and they are still the core of the team anyways i just want to say that if the jays go below 500 this season i wont be surprised im not jumping off the bandwagon im just talking smart baseball no matter what im still going to see most of the jays games even though im damn frustrated the jays pitching can only get better molitor and alomar havent hit anything yet and the jays are still over 500 gerald baseball jack morris hey guys who is this jack morris fella only joking but try to lighten up will ya the seasons only just started and everyones apoplectic if all you statheads out there are trying to justify how morris is doing at the moment just remember that were talking about a very small sample size there is a helluva long way to go so sit back and enjoy the ride tony guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders joe why dont you put your username on your account on mon 26 apr 1993 17 48 19 gmt joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu wrote then the atf discovers he doesnt have proper permits for some of his purchases and failed to pay some taxes on them or claims to have discovered so it would hardly be the first time they raided someone based on incorrect evidence was it a no knock i really havent heard anything on that but clearly it was a no knock according to the associated press report heres something i found in my collection excerpts from an article in the knoxville news sentinel final edition monday march 1 1993 the byline is associated press waco texas fierce gun battles erupted sunday as more than 100 law officers tried to arrest the leader of a heavily armed religious cult at least four federal agents and two cult members were reported killed the gun battles began when federal agents hidden in livestock trailers stormed the sects head quarters sunday morning witnesses said the agents had warrants to search for guns and explosives and to arrest howell said les stanford of the atf in washington witnesses said the law officers stormed the compounds main home throwing concussion grenades and screaming come out while three national guard helicopters approached for a moment there was no response then the shooting began i think storming the sects head quaters and throwing concussion grenades qualifies as a no knock or perhaps an illegal assault he was not just another guy minding his own business hell give them all the guns in the world if they dont bother anyone but he was a scary sort dont you think the sort of person youd want your daughter to date i probably not but then again neither are you then he fired on the atf thats not just a little mistake or some red white and blue american defending his home against big brother that shit doesnt fly anyone with his background that will shoot and kill and just what is his background what prior crimes had he been convicted of federal law enforcement officials is not some good citizen whose crusade sorry batf are federal tax enforcement officials theyre not police nor do they have police powers charles scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept of physics michigan tech houghton mi 49931 the people cannot be all and always well informed the part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is lethargy the forerunner of death to the public liberty thomas jefferson nov 13 1787 guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors lets discuss renos taking full responciblity is everyone happy with the outcome did the fbi pursue the correct course of action was justice done if reno really meant what she said she would resign she is just grand standing period what did those people do wrong in the first place that is what i cant figure out sure they were crazy no dought about it but what did they do wrong someone please help me out on this jim shirreffs i speak for myself and only myself religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed st stephen tice km ken mcvay st seems to me koresh is yet another messenger that got killed st for the message he carried which says nothing about the km seems to be barring evidence to the contrary that koresh was simply km another deranged fanatic who thought it neccessary to take a whole bunch of km folks with him children and all to satisfy his delusional mania jim km jones circa 1993 i think theres plenty of evidence to the contrary six rescued davidians consistantly recounted that the federal tank knocked over a barrel of propane these guys havent exactly been spending time together plotting an elaborate and consistent story it would be contradictory for koresh to go for mass suicide remember that koreshs death was the opening of the sixth seal the signal that armageddon had begun his army the people in the compound would then fight the powers of evil and win ending in the rapture the fire wiped out his army i read earlier that koresh was planning to walk out of the compound and blow himself up with a grenade that would jibe better with his teachings st in the mean time we sure learned a lot about evil and corruption st are you surprised things have gotten that rotten km nope fruitcakes like koresh have been demonstrating such evil corruption km for centuries id think youd be the last one to support gassing people and burning them to death for their religious beliefs corrupt evil i dont know well never know and when you start calling people fruitcakes about their religious beliefs thats dehumanizing people we saw what happened when many germans started believing that jews were subhuman in one neat stroke they destroyed all the evidence that could have pointed to wrongdoing and killed all the witnesses including 12 children whose last view of life was choking and pain followed by burning them alive i am extremely saddened that this tragedy occurred im furious that they used my money to do it so i become an accessory dave criswell and i dont have an alibi oracle corporation to the victim on my doorstep only way i can justify its family business fish baseball re tickets etc lets look at the effects of inflation on 1930s superstars salaries i read once that the babe made 80 000 one year and that was about as good as it got for him lets assume he made that in 1928 im not sure of the figures but i know im in the ballpark pun intended today assuming a 4 yearly inflation rate which is an understatement if not accurate his measly 80 000 salary would be worth fv 80 000 x 1 4 1993 1928 80 000 x 1 04 65 just over 1 000 000 assuming inflation is average of around 5 fv 80 000 x 1 5 65 almost 2 000 000 i didnt crunch these numbers beforehand these numbers might lead one to believe that todays players are slightly overpaid the babe appears to have made then what todays average to above average players make now perfectly accurate salary year of salary and average inflation rate would make this analysis more accurate but i don t think im off by much chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gt0523e internet gt0523e prism gatech edu baseball lets talk phillies the phillies salvaged their weekend series against the chicago cubs by beating them 11 10 in a wild one at wrigley field sunday afternoon it was the phils only win in the three game series and was the first time the phillies have lost a series in the young season the phils jumped to a 6 0 lead in the game thanks to 2 john kruk 2 run homers and two wes chamberlain homers however danny jackson and the phillies middle relief was unable to hold the lead mitch williams entered the game with the phillies leading 8 4 however candy maldonado hit a ninth inning homerun to tie it in the 11th dave hollins hit a three run shot his first of the year to push the phils ahead to stay however in a shaky bottom of the 11th the cubs scored 2 runs and had the tying runner on base when the cubs pinch hit randy myers for bob scanlan they were out of position players and myers bunted into a double play to end the game the phils bring their league leading 9 3 record back to action tuesday wednesday and thursday against the padres baseball re giants gm quinn is a genius in 18979 autodesk com trs autodesk com tom schroeder writes nlu xenon stanford edu nelson lu writes during the same time span the braves developed john smoltz tom glavine steve avery david justice ron gant and jeff blauser among others avery i believe came from the phillies jeff blauser avery was the 2 overall pick by the braves behind mark lewis i think in 1988 john smoltz came over to the braves from the tigers but was developed by the braves jeff blauser isnt a bad player dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball religion re is it good that jesus died jburrill boi hp com jim burrill writes brian kendig bskendig netcom com wrote can you please point to something anything that proves to me that the universe cannot possibly be explained without accepting as a fact the existence of a god in precisely the way your holy book describes can you please convince me that your religion is more than a very cleverly constructed fable and that it does indeed have some bearing on my own personal day to day life would you consider the word of an eye witness peter to testify to the events surrounding jesus life no there are two problems here 1 peter died two millenia ago the original letters he wrote have long since decayed into dust if he were alive today and i could question him then this might lend credibility to your claims but probably not much because after all ive heard people claim with all sincerity that theyve spoken with elvis recently but after his death peters writings were transcribed by monks for centuries and i find it hard to believe that one of them somewhere didnt decide to change the wording of something to make it in his opinion a little easier to understand 2 even if peter did witness the miracles of jesus two millenia ago that doesnt mean that your deity is what the bible says it is god might just be satan trying to convince everyone that hes a nice guy or even that your deity is still alive and active in the world today nice try but it just isnt enough to convince me especially since your wild claims about your deity seem to fly in the face of the way ive observed the world to work please find something more compelling brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau baseball re bases loaded walk gives reds win in 12 in article 1993apr23 185931 6509 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article mssc5y41d 230 netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes in article 1993apr23 120044 15627 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes for predicting the future it has been entirely meaningless at least if it has meaning we dont know how to find it i did not say i could predict the future you most certainly did i really dont want to get into a didso didnot debate with you but this is somewhat at the heart of our disagreement i did not say nor did i imply that i could predict the future you have inferred that my comments meant this and you have based your rebuttal of my comments on the fact that statistical studies have demonstrated that there is no reasonable basis for predicting future performance in regard to clutch hitting sabo 1539 452 294 259 59 228 samuel 1564 383 245 278 83 299 sabo is clearly a better hitter than samuel yet you would pinch hit samuel because you predict that samuel will be a clutch hitter and sabo will be a choke hitter right id call that predicting the future that is your opinion that sabo is clearly a better hitter than samuel the above data is for a 4 year period ending last season last season samuel batted 272 while sabo hit 244 not park adjusted this season they are both hitting below 200 albeit sabo with more at bats i will agree that over his career sabo has been a better hitter than samuel but i will also remind you that samuel has been a better hitter in certain situations than sabo i did not predict that sabo would choke nor that samuel would get a hit i expressed my opinion that had i been the reds manager or even a reds fan that i would prefer to have samuel hit in that situation than sabo if you were to have been the reds manager at that time i assume you would have had some basis for letting sabo hit rather than pinch hitting samuel im sure some of that basis would have utilized prior performance you just wouldnt have used this particular aspect of prior performance is this not correct right i would have used aspects of prior performance which have been shown to be consistent in the past overall performance l r splits even matching hitting pitching styles all of these will give me some advantage if used properly ah properly yes i see even if all else were equal there would be no advantage gained by looking at past clutch performance and in this case everything else pointed to sabo please help me what exactly is everything else that pointed to sabo well yes you are aware of its existance you claim to be incapable of understanding it though i suspect you are simply unwilling yet you rather forcefully state the opposite you dont seem to think the work is worth reading yet you obviously feel the topic is important id say this is insulting i must say i was not aware of the publication can you email me the information regarding its availability and i guess i must apologize to all of those who have done extensive study on say supply side economics i didnt mean to insult you but i never did believe you were on the right path im sorry for my contrary opinion position i also regret that i dont have the ability to prove that you are wrong but you are i believe that by seasons end that chris sabos batting average in clutch situations will be significantly lower than his batting average in non clutch situations i cant prove that it will happen so i guess well just have to wait and see is this simply a prediction for chris sabo for this year or is this a prediction for all batters who have over the past few years hit xxx amount worse in the clutch than overall it is what it says it is if you mean the first then as you say well just have to wait and see but the second is a much stronger statement in fact it suggests a rule we can then test this rule on past data to see if it worked for recent years i think you will agree that if the rule didnt work last year or the year before that it is unlikely to do any better this year right the second is your statement not mine im not going to get into case analysis sure you can find somebody who hit poorly from 89 91 and then hit poorly in 92 as well you can also find those who hit poorly from 89 91 and then hit well in 92 well actually i havent yet but im not finished looking that is i havent yet found someone who hit significantly below his overall batting average in clutch situations for the years 1989 91 and then reversed that relationship in 1992 gamblers fallacy unless there is reason to expect consistency a run proves nothing can you give us a reason to expect clutch ba to correlate from one year to the next ive seen a detailed study of why i shouldnt expect it to correlate nope sorry but if you were interested in a reason why i expect chris sabos ability to hit in the clutch to correlate from one year to the next i think i could if you were interested in a reason why i expect joe carters ability to hit in the clutch to correlate from one year to the next i think i could but youre not interested in that because you think that those conclusions could only be valid if they could be extrapolated over the entire baseball population and they cant be the stupid was in reference to a statement which was stupid and i dont see how you can deny it as for total idiot yes if you prove yourself unwilling to even consider evidence that might suggest that you are wrong i would say the term fits nicely the problem here is that i do believe you i accept your work i believe that trying to predict future clutch performance based on prior clutch history is meaningless no better than a coin toss i actually do accept your work as it happens i also have an opinion that in certain situations for certain players a history of superior or inferior ability to hit in the clutch might suggest a reason what such history could be valid in projecting future player performance for that player and chris sabo is one such player so tell me does the term fit or do you have an open mind well since i defer to your statistical wisdom i think i must have an open mind now we have to pose the same question to you the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com medicine re amitriptyline in article 1993mar27 010702 8176 julian uwo ca roberts gaul csd uwo ca eric roberts writes could someone please tell me what effect an overdose 900 1000mg of amitriptyline would have probably would not be fatal in an adult at that dose but could kill a child patient would be very somnolent with dilated pupils low blood pressure possibly cardiac arrhythmias gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars re plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences in article oprsfnx 735015349 gsusgi1 gsu edu oprsfnx gsusgi2 gsu edu stephen f nicholas writes daubendr nextwork rose hulman edu darren r daubenspeck writes they are pretty much junk stay away from them they will be replaced next year with all new models junk theyve made the c d lists for years due to their excellent handling and acceleration they have been around since about oh 85 or 86 so theyre not the newest on the lot and mileage is about five to eight mpg under the class leader you can get into a 3 0 l v 6 141 hp shadow for 10 11k the i 4 turbo a bit more and a droptop for 14 15k as an ex fleet mgr of 3000 cars they were amoung the most trouble free of all models i bought one for my wife nnnnnnnng thank you for playing i cannot agree with this i believed this and to put it nicely it was a piece of junk i loved this car i babied it i pampered it and after 2 years it just couldnt stay together i would say that not everyone will have the problems that i had but know this its not just the car it is the ability to get the car fixed which will not happen at any chrysler dodge take your pick dealer i dont care if there are going to reform their dealers service with the intro of the lh cars i will believe it when i see it case and point the local dodge dealer you drive up just looking you dont even get out of your door when about 10 yes 10 salesman all eye you like their next meal and literally pounce on you and try to get you to make a deal on everything your eye wanders towards service is about 2 times worse than that i had an alignment problem but they tried to tell me that the k frame was bent and about 2000 dollars of work parts to fix it let me tell you the problems i had and i took care of this car i put alot of miles on it in the first couple years but took it to every checkup it needed and many that shouldnt have been 1988 dodge shadow es these were replaced within the 4 years that i owned the car engine 4 alternators rear suspension torsion bar 2 water pumps 5 thermostats hall effect sensor main computer 4 batteries these were rebuilt repaired radiator automatic transmission power steering those are just the things i can remember off the top of my head for about a year before i sold the car i said to myself its a good car i just cant find anybody competent enough the fix it in the end before i traded it in for a saturn the power steering started acting up again i just stopped putting money into it i must have put at least 5000 7000 worth of repairs over its lifetime i am sorry but lee iacocca can bite me bullshit whoever backs em best is just afraid the stupid things are going to fall apart and no one will buy them without assurance why the hell do you think that lh has been nicknamed last hope you can do better and i know people will disagree with me here but japanese like honda or toyota or the only american car company that i feel is a quality product saturn i will not touch another chrysler product again no way i dont care how good the lh cars look good and i will admit they look promising but not with the support that you get gm isnt much better thank god they dont control saturn like they do their divisions or it would be just another marketing ploy dont get me wrong i will be watching my car which i do like like a hawk for the next 4 years i am much more hesitant to say it or any car is really good until it has proved itself to me but since someone else pointed out c d as a source i will note because i used to read these magazines that car and driver has never had a good thing to say about most chrysler products shadow for one always were they moaning about the reguritated k car and engine whereas motor trend always thought they were great cars no car magazine is really objective and although there are alot of people who dont like consumers reports i will use them to reinforce my argument i already know about the big stink with the saturn crash tests time will tell how good a car they are the shadow sundance rate much worse than average in fact none of the chryslers rate a better than average i think the best one is just average excluding the diamond star mitsubishi stuff and the lhs you can find bad stuff about the shadow try as i might when i researched the saturn i could not find anything bad about it there is a great deal of information about this company just because it is a new american company and it has created quite a stir in the automotive community for good reason much more than the introduction of any new model lines of any established company i read an article which had a sub column an i think this imprinted on me more than anything else some big wig in toyota said and i quote we are watching them very closely come on everybody grow up the foreign cars especially the japanese have been kicking our butts for good reason the american car companies could not make a good product or support the customer the way they want these days to set in their ways which is one of the reasons saturn was created they are still struggling because they havent learned yet they have the ability the workers are not inferior the technology is not out of date but their attitude is and they are just finding this out its called competition gentleman women if you dont satisfy the demand of the consumer well your out asbestos suit on gaia guns re rkba on nyc radio station actually the real reason that stern was getting a bigger rating share was that he was new in d c not because of the quality if you can call it that of his show after the fine was issued he started to get better ratings because of the curious individuals who wanted to see how bad he actually was since he came to d c he has had a greater turn over of listeners than the grease has in other words more people get sick of him sooner than they do of the grease after all saying vagina or penis on the air is hilarious at first the second time it is still a little funny but when you do it all the time and at the same time think you are the greatest man on the planet and tell everyone so than you are going to get old really quick give it up mark you are wrong excuse me but if you really new what the show was about youd know that he doesnt just say vagina and penis and that is how he gets his ratings he also addresss real issues as well as being outrageous i dont hear any of these other idiots doing a funny show and getting into some serious topics at the same time he gets people to think and entertains them at the same time so try listening to his show a little closer before you tell them that they are wrong and by the way if he is such a flash in the pan why do his ratings sustain so well hmm greg w lazar greg puck webo dg com j e t s jets jets jets religion re a kind and loving god in article 1993apr21 182606 6798 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee writes the only point im trying to make is that those who call themselves christian may not be christian wow are you serious so not everyone who calls themself a christian is a christian wow that does make things a bit more complicated doesnt it i ask that you draw your own conclusions by what they do and what they say that seems like very good advice given the above revelation if they are not modelled after the example of jesus christ then they are not christian like for example matthew 5 14 19 right if they have not repented of their sins and accepted jesus christ as their personal lord and saviour then they are not christian um where did jesus say that he wanted people to worship him these are the only criteria to being a christian so do you adhere to the ten commandments baseball re neon deon sanders braves giants in article 1993apr20 062222 9960 bnlux1 bnl gov kyee bnlux1 bnl gov kenton yee writes phisto gatech edu tmiller cimmeria gatech edu thomas miller writes does anyone else think that this weekends four game series was a really strange one yup i was wondering the whole time why the braves most talented outfielder neon deon was not starting heres whoa arent you forgetting a couple of guys named gant and justice a guy who can hit 300 20 hrs lead off and steal 40 he can lead off hell probably steal 40 he might hit 300 hell never hit 20 homers i think you went 2 for 4 on this one bases and they start guys like nixon and bream ahead of him i cant really see that advantage of nixon over deon except that nixon is a better defensive outfielder you said it all right there does anyone else out there not like deon i think hes all hype his 300 season last year was good but im not convinced that he can do it again it reminds me sorry of the year 1987 when tim wallach hit 30 or so homers and had 127 rbi it never even came close to happening again of course maybe i just prefer guys who go about their business and dont play it up for the attention just my ho doug roberts larry walker is god delino deshields thinks he is john bratt if youre out there send me some email my system cant find your site baseball re jewish baseball players al weiss played second for the white sox in the early sixties chiefly as back up to don buford good glove no hit some spunk which reminds me do they still serve kosher hot dogs at the new comiskey mark bernstein eastgate systems inc 134 main street watertown ma 02172 usa voice 800 562 1638 in usa 1 617 924 9044 eastgate world std com compuserve 76146 262 applelink eastgate guns re that silly outdated bill was re koresh and miranda in article 1993apr15 165952 25970 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman writes in article 1qibs0 flk vela acs oakland edu awesley vela acs oakland edu awesley writes actually there was only one confirmed sniper to die in detroit according to sauter hines nightmare in detroit a rebellion its what sources did sauter and hines use in congressional hearings later the newspaper folk admitted that their reports were completely wrong some of their excuses are understandable while others amount to gross negligence then theres their we lied as far as i know they never did the followup this btw is normal behavior for newsies the followup isnt news i am pleased to accept life membership in the national rifle association and extend to your organization every good wish for continued success president john f kennedy march 20 1961 cars re wife wants convertible in a previous article nuet ke pts mot com keith nuetzman x3153 p7625 says help my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car we live in south fla so we are definitely in the right are for one my wife has mentioned the miata but i think it is too small i would like to wait for the new mustangs dec 93 i think anyone have any opinions on any all convertibles in a reasonable price range thanx geo metro lsi drew windows ftp site for wav files hello everybody are there any ftp sites with wav files available frode kvam c name frode kvam univ university of trondheim dept of informatics e mail frode ifi unit no snail mail lademoens kirkealle 8 7042 trondheim voice 47 7 50 45 06 beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers cars wanted 92 toyota previa all trac low miles im looking to buy a 92 toyota previa all trac with low miles if you are selling one or want someone to buy out an existing lease please contact me by mail will estes internet westes netcom com cars re integra gsr in article 1993apr6 035020 16730 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes miles a rare screw up by honda both the gtz and gsr are flawed cars the performance enthusiasts would take the gtz and the cr purchase would be the gsr the cr purchase would be the ford probe gt john john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasnt it the black adder baseball re jack morris since roger is a canadian who probably knows nothing about baseball i am gonna try to explain it to him in terms of hockey according to his logic i can say that since 1988 bob errey is better than wayne gretzky hey errey contributed to 2 cups while good old wayne has won nothing i think the kings should trade gretzky for errey what do you think roger ziyun baseball re yakult swallows japanese pro baseball team wednesdays game of beloved yakult swallows at jingu 38 000 hanshin tigers 000 006 000 6 beloved swallows 100 000 000 1 w kasai 2 0 l ito 0 1 central league standing w l t pct gb hiroshima carp 7 2 0 778 chunichi dragons 7 3 0 700 0 5 hanshin tigers 6 4 0 600 1 5 hated giants 4 5 0 444 3 0 beloved swallows 3 7 0 300 4 5 yokohama baystars 2 8 0 200 5 5 hiroshi yajima e mail yajima nttcom ntt jp ntt network information systems laboratories 9 11 midori cho 3 chome musashino shi tokyo 180 japan tel 81 422 59 4256 fax 81 422 59 4254 guns re blast them next time oldham ces cwru edu daniel oldham babbles what happened in waco is not the fault of the batf if they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened if theyd gone to the door and knocked on it to serve the warrant like the sheriff had done 3 other times they wouldnt have needed to have an initial assault but then herr klinton and attorney genl reno wouldnt have been able to have told such heroic stories about how they protected the rest of us from a group of people who kept to themselves miles out in the prairie the batf needs more people better weapons and more armored transports when they meet hostile fire they should be able to use more force instead of retreating to a stand off if you are going to do a job then do it right the batf is there to protect us and they must have the proper equipment and people to do the job the batf needs to be disbanded this out of control group of rambo wannabees is a danger to the republic with the wod and the increased crime in the streets the batf is needed more now then ever if they blast away a few good fokes then that is the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country well i figure youre going to get flamed pretty badly by everybody else for this incredibly stupid statement so ill just let it pass for now case western reserve huh do the feds know about that big stockpile of automatic weapons and crack you have in your house are you the same daniel oldham that lives on orchard drive just so they get the address right that is look at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country of ours well it used to be a great country now im not so sure i knew a few of those good people who died in wars i was in viet nam i can assure you none of us fought to protect the right of the government to attack its own citizens with military force without provocation hint serving a search warrant is not sufficient provocation to stage a military style assault on a religious group at least not here in the us maybe in iraq or syria with the arms build up in waco they needed to hit that compound with mega fire power they could of gone in there blasting and killed a few women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn to death 51 days later this is a joke right or are they really letting fools like you into cwru now too bad used to be a good school howd you get in anyway did your old man buy a new wing for the library cars re renting from alamo cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more insurance than whats included in the base price but on the other hand he didnt rent it from alamo probability that ill be needing more insurance unless you have an accident you wont need more joe let me see unless you have an accident you wont need more hmmmmmmm bijan cars re most bang for between 13 000 and 16 000 your best bet is the dodge intrepid with the sohc 24 valve 3 4 six it gets 214 hp and has a hell of a lot of room great styling and abs with four wheel disk breaks the lh cars won automobile magazines automobile of the year award and are quiet impressive cars re mgbs and the real world derek nezsdc icl co nz derek tearne writes people who bought mgb s bought them because they were an open topped sportscar and embodied what people thought they should for an old fashioned traditional brit sportscar not because they were great at anything pretty much like the people who buy the mazda mx 5 miata today small fun and you can fool yourself and a lot of other people that you have the performance of many far superior and much more expensive performnace cars i have been for a fairly hard run in an mx5 what they lack in power they surely make up for in handling great for back streets with heaps of corners they are a fairly light car with a low center of gravity and a quite free revving dohc engine a fun car have you driven a turbo converted mx5 now they are starting to perform ive often thought a mazda rotary would go well in the xm5 too anyone done it regards scott scott fisher scott psy uwa oz au ph aus 61 perth 09 local 380 3272 n department of psychology w e university of western australia perth 32s 116e s nedlands 6009 perth w a v joy is a jaguar xj6 with a flat battery a blown oil seal and an unsympathetic wife 9km outside of a small remote town 3 15am on a cold wet winters morning windows re windows help umyin ccu umanitoba ca qing yin writes hi its an easy question for you windows gurus id appreciate any help we need to write an on line help for our application we dont have windows software developers toolkit yet since we just want to build a hlp file around windows help engine i hope it wont be that complicated anyway could someone kindly give me some hints of how to build such an on line help if it does not take 100 pages to explain or if it is complicated would you help to point out what i would need to do it vincent q yin umyin ccu umanitoba ca hi if you have developed your own windows application you must have a sdk of some sort that contains the hc exe or hc31 exe file to compile and generate hlp files out of rtf files rtf files are generated by a wordprocessor like word for dos or w4w if this is not the solution be more specific about your application mario mario veraart tno physics and electronics laboratory email rioj7 fel tno nl the hague the netherlands if all else fails show pretty pictures and animated videos and dont talk about performance david bailey guns re waco questions the u s government has become a garrotte around the necks of its citizens just as with a garrotte the more people struggle to breathe the air of freedom the more the government tightens its stranglehold the only possible outcomes at this point are the death of government or the elimination of personal freedom i think this is a little extreme i am concerned about a couple of things ive seen lately it seems to me that the government is beginning to enforce political correctness the first king verdict was polically incorrect so the hell with constutitional protection from double jeopardy try the cops again the bds are far as i can tell didnt do anything wrong nothing that would justify the horrable end they were subjected too they were simply polically incorrect in the extream i cant help but wonder whos next jim shirreffs i speak for myself and only myself religion re whos next mormons and jews in article 1993apr21 180216 7431 gn ecn purdue edu mechalas gn ecn purdue edu john p mechalas wrote either way i have evidence to support the theory that the bds burned themselves you made a serious implication that the fbi was responsible for the fire and the destruction of the people all you have done is put doubt on who started the fire without providing any evidence to back up your claim that the fbi was responsible last night cnn reported that fbi has infrared pictures showing that the fires started in three places at the same time that would indicate something not resembling an accident cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net cars re changing oil by self in article c5lmtr mo7 mentor cc purdue edu marshatt feserve cc purdue edu za uberer writes in article 1qgi8einnhs5 skeena ucs ubc ca yiklam unixg ubc ca yik chong lam writes hello does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine compartment should i turn clockwise or counter i tried any kind of lubricants wd 40 etc but i still failed do you think i can use a electric drill change to a suitable bit to turn it out if i can succeed can i re tighten it not too tight is it safe without oil leak thank you very much in advance winson dont worry about leaks dont worry about which way to turn the damn thing take a good claw hammer and pry it straight out now youll notice after all the oil pours out that there are no theads where there used to be thats why heli coils were invented yes buy a few of these gems and rethread the hole a little larger each time you change the oil when the hole gets too big for any heli coil you can buy its time to trade in the car baseball re braves pitching updatedir sbp002 acad drake edu said in article 2482 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes every single piece of evidence we can find points to major league baseball being 50 offense 50 defense a run scored is just as important as a run prevented of course a run scored is just as important as a run prevented just as a penny saved is a penny earned enough with the cliches its not a cliche and unlike your comments below its not a tautology it neednt have been true if every pitcher in baseball were essentially the same in quality i e if the variance of pitching ability were much smaller than the variance of batting ability then scoring runs would be much more important than preventing them simply because the ability to actively prevent runs would be much weaker my point is that if the braves starters are able to live up to their potential they wont need much offensive support if thats your point you should have said so what you in fact said was pitching and defense win championships and later pitching is the essence of baseball neither of which says what you are now claiming was your point and neither of which is true it seems to me that when quality pitchers take the mound the other teams score less runs the team that scores the most runs wins and you accuse sherri of mouthing cliches this puts the team with the better pitching at the advantage providing they can stop the opposing team from scoring runs a low scoring game would clearly benefit the braves its not clear to me at all that this is true in high scoring games the team with the better offense wins a high percentage of the time in low scoring games the split is essentially 50 50 regardless of team ability they should have many low scoring games due to their excellent pitching and below average hitting on the flip side if you had a starting lineup of great offensive players i would be arguing that this team would not need great pitchers i thought you said pitching and defense win championships and pitching is the essence of baseball david m tate dtate pitt edu greetings sir with bat not quick member iie orsa tims sabr hands not soft eye not discerning and in denver they call you a slugger the big catullus galarraga and compare you to my own mattingly cars re honda clutch chatter in article 185900001 hpindda cup hp com jimb hpindda cup hp com james bruder writes anyone else experiencing a similar problem this concerns the clutch on a 92 honda accord 5 speed when the clutch is first used in the morning about the first 4 miles of shifting there is a significant amount of clutch chatter until things warm up then the clutch shifts smoothly this chatter started when i moved to the san francisco bay area from a low humidity environment the dealer stated that this is known to happen since honda changed from an asbestos to non asbestos clutch material no remedy seems that moisture on clutch surface causes slipping until the moisture evaporates any comments out there the clutch on my 92 honda civic ex v ex in the u s does this too its annoying now that i think about it is worse when the humidity is high the dealer also claims theres nothing they can do since the clutch is a self adjusting hydraulic design yeah right doug zolmer internet dwjz bnr ca disclaimer my opinions only bell northern research ltd ottawa ontario canada dept 7n61 service control point routing services design conform moooo cars re is car saftey important in article 1993apr20 163527 12773 bnr ca tcorkum bnr ca trevor corkum writes subject is car saftey important i was recently thumbing through the 1993 lemon aid new car guide what i found was a car would be given a recommended under the picture while a few sentences later noting how a driver and passenger were virtually guaranteed to be killed in a front end collision the most highly recommended small car the civic has the worst crash rating of all of the small cars listed there were many such cases of great vehicles where you wouldnt survive an accident is it only me or is safety not one of the most important factors when buying a car definitely safety is an important criterium for me when buying a car i wont buy a small car like a civic or whatever great safety handling speed for me seems to me that you would be more dead in a small car than a large car after an accident gerrit windows re diamond speedstar driver for v3 1 in article 116005 bu edu rem buitc bu edu robert mee writes i am looking for a win31 driver or set for my diamond speedstar 1mb video card does anybody know of an archive site that has these i looked at cica and it had drivers for the stealth card and for generic et4000 cards but not one specifically for the speedstar is there one or has diamond dropped the speedstar out of the driver development loop i just looked at cica yesterday and noticed that they didnt have anything but i seem to remember seeing something at wuarchive in the mirrors msdos windows3 directory i think i got my 3 1 drivers from america online though mmeltzer wam umd edu is marc meltzer president of the meltz inc our job is to play games our hobby is to consult cars re dirty diesels hhd0 harvey gte com horace dediu writes in article nataraja 735341980 opal12 nataraja rtsg mot com kumaravel natarajan writes i heard the diesels are considered cleaner burning than gas engines because the emit less of carbon monoxide hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen co hc nox but they can put out a lot of particulate matter i heard something about legislation being discussed to clean up diesel emissions is there anything in the works to install scrubbers for diesels how about the feasibility of installing them on trucks and cars would it be any different than a catylitic converter id assume easier since were removing particulate matter instead of converting gasses lets hear peoples opinions this really bugs me the emissions of diesels are the cleanest of any vechicle but they are considered so polluting that they are banned in passenger cars in california what a bunch of crap diesel is the fuel of choice for enviromental benefit in europe while here its illegal for the same reason the particulates are nothing but carbon they are just an annoyance at worst nothing beats the diesel cycle for efficiency and emissions torque or engine durability its also cheaper just to clear things up as to why i posted the question that way i was debating with a co worker about diesels i claimed they were cleaner burning than gas engines he said the extra junk put out by them was offset by the savings in greenhouse gasses i made all the same claims you did but one question of his was what about the carbon i said it was harmless but he wanted to know how to get rid of it i suggested scrubbers i figured it would be no harder or more expensive to install than cats does there exist any designs for a scrubber id like to know just to answer his final question i convinced him that diesels are cleaner otherwise btw i named my subject dirty diesels because i knew it would get a reaction out of people who knew they were cleaner than gas engines and that theyd read it vel natarajan nataraja rtsg mot com motorola cellular arlington hts il religion re whos next mormons and jews ken arromdee writes did they not know that these men were federal officers do you know what a no knock search is yes but tell me how you think your question answers my question if the bds didnt know immediately that they were dealing with feds uniform apparel insignia they must have figured it out in pretty short order why did they keep fighting they seemed awfully ready for having been attacked without warning peter m yadlowsky wake the sky is light academic computing center let us to the net again university of virginia companion keyboard pmy virginia edu after basho medicine re hepatitis b in article 1993apr14 4274 32512 dosgate russell sinclair day canrem com russell sinclair day writes what we are really worried about is not knowing the facts the doctor has stated that things will not be good if she is a carrier and avoids further questions on the subject we really would like to know so we can take steps and plan in advance for any eventualities thank you for your very informative post right now i am just trying to find out everything that i can russ unfortunately hep b infection can eventuate in chronic hepatitis and subsequent cirrhosis although not many patients with hep b go on to chronic hepatitis it does still occur in a good number 20 and is something to keep in mind hepatitis c was non a non b hep much more frequently leads to chronic hep and cirrhosis there is also an autimmune chronic hepatitis that affects mostly younger women which also leads to cirrhosis of course cirrhosis is a most unkind disease the most dangerous effects relate to portal hypertension and loss of liver function patients develop life threatening variceal bleeds and hepatic comas among many other problems as a result of disturbances in hepatic circulation less ominously they can exhibit the effects of hyperestrogenemia which often characterize patients with cirrhosis these effects include telangiactasias small red skin lesions and in men gynecomastia breast development the only real treatment for cirrhosis is liver transplant keep in mind that cirrhosis is not expected at least statistically in your friends case nevertheless you might want to bring up the subject of chronic disease and cirrhosis with the doctor hopefully he or she can then carefully explain these sequelae of hep b infection to you and offer you support simon guns re change of name post all you want foreigner wed rather hear from you than those ill support the fascist who writes the hecks for my salary edu site types should you expect the police to come in and assault you lay siege and refuse to help when they yes lets give them the benefit of the doubt accidently burn down your ranch home even though ey have emergency vehicles nearby is this a proper response when you just keep to yourself even if you dont hurt anyone and you re cooperative with cops when you occasionally come out i hope not watkins earth eecs uic edu guns re waco clinton press conference part 1 in 1993apr21 160642 12470 ringer cs utsa edu whughes lonestar utsa edu william w hughes writes in article feustelc5tw49 7p5 netcom com feustel netcom com david feustel writes i predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the federal assault in waco will result in future assaults of that type being conducted as full scale military operations with explicit shoot to kill directives you mean they arent already could have fooled me only because you are apparently easy to fool in other words your remark is obviously from someone who wouldnt know the difference insisting on perfect safety is for people who dont have the balls to live in the real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com i dont speak for others and they dont speak for me baseball dick estelle does anyone know if the dick estelle who does the radio reader on npr is one in the same with the lefty who pitched briefly for the jints in 64 65 just curious paul spending too much time reading the baseball encyclopedia we will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard 503 750 3511 home 3006 nw mckinley corvallis or 97330 503 752 8424 a sabr member since 1979 baseball re phillies sweep reds awful reds report 4 14 in article c5ialu jn9 usenet ucs indiana edu rstimets silver ucs indiana edu robert and stimets writes actually im not sure that philly won but they were ahead 2 7 in the bottom of the eighth i was going to post the box score but since cinci was playing so criminally bad the pub i was at had to turn the game off so heres whats up cincinnati had seven hits all singles by the end of the eighth this makes it six games with exactly one extra base hit cincinnati was 0 5 with runners in scoring position now if a team is going to be completely without power they absolutely have to hit in clutch situations cincinnati starter tom browning pitched 4 1 innings giving up 5 runs and 10 h its while striking out 5 he was surely the loser tonight reds starters while supposedly solid have won only one game this year of course the reds have only won two clean up batter sabo went 0 4 besides yesterdays homer hes sucked at the plate dibble may not actually return friday this may not mean anything since cinci may not find themselves in a save situation for a while speaking of which the reds have ha exactly one lead this week for one and a half innings after chris dinger on tuesday manager tony perez says the reds are just not swinging the bat well right now good call doggie well theres a big difference between just not swinging the bat well and what the reds are doing at the plate uuuggghhhh a reds fan on the verge of a nervous breakdown mike why is it that the prognosis on kevin mitchell is out 2 3 days no matter what day you read it gary burbank ive told you before and ill tell you again the strong survive and the weak disappear we do not intend to disappear jimmy hoffa mtissand magnus acs ohio state edu cynically yours rstimets medicine cure for dry skin hi all my skin is very dry in general but the most serious part is located from knees down the skin there looks like segmented the segmentation actually happens beneath the skin i would like to know if there is any cure for this at the supermarkets or pharmacies there are quite a lot of stuffs for dry skins but what to chose thanks in advance for all advices and hints reply by email preferred alex cars datsun nissan 240 260 280z cars well the opel deal fell through now im looking at a datsun 240z for sale in our local buy sell any previous owners have any experience with these cars besides looking for rust good compression low miles and all the other usual car things one looks for is there anything special about these cars that i should watch out for how about things like handling performance mileage etc these cars look hot to my eyes at least and bear more than a passing resemblance to the aston martin db4 zagato sp which has to be one of the most beatiful cars ever made what is the difference between 240z 260z 280z the 280zx is rather unappealing imho but the other cars are decent thanks again darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca medicine sumatripton spelling i recently heard of some testing of a new migraine drug called sumatripton i have no idea of the actual spelling that supposedly utilizes a chemical that trips neuro transmitters my mother has regular migraines and nothing seems to help does anyone know anything about this new drug is it in a testing phaze or anywhere near approval does it seem to be working any information would help please feel free to e mail rather than take up bandwidth if you prefer thanks in advance rox roxannen cruzio santa cruz ca us virtue is a relative term medicine adult chicken pox i am 35 and am recovering from a case of chicken pox which i contracted from my 5 year old daughter i have quite a few of these little puppies all over my bod at what point am i no longer infectious my physicians office says when they are all scabbed over is this true is there any medications which can promote healing of the pox speed up healing please e mail replies and thanks in advance marc grant internet marcbg feenix metronet com pob 850472 amateur radio station n5mei richardson tx 75085 voice fax 214 231 3998 guns re 2nd amendment dead good in article 1qrn3ainn4rq clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes the 2nd amendment is dead accept this find another way it aint dead yet and even if it were repealed remember it just protects our rkba it does not grant any rights there would then have to be additional laws passed to outlaw gun possession even if they outlawed private posession of firearms there would be no moral force behind that law i imagine compliance would be low don medicine re thyroidal deficiency in article 1993apr30 162636 22327 cc ic ac uk ewolff ps ic ac uk erik the viking writes hi my wife has aquired some thyroidal sp deficiency over the past year that gives symptoms such as needing much sleep coldness and proneness to gaining weight she has been to a doctor and taken the ordinary tests and her values were regarded as low the doctor and my wife are not very interested in starting medication as this deactivates the gland giving life long dependency to the drug hormone my questions are has anyone had heard of success in using this approach her values have been slowly but steadily sinking any comment on the probability of improvement although the doctor has told her to eat normally my wife has dieted vigorously to keep her weight as she feels that is part of keeping an edge over the illness condition may this affect the treatment development there are several different types of thyroid diseases which would cause a hypothyroid condition reduction in the output of the thyroid mainly thyroxin except for ones caused by infections the treatment is generally thyroxin pills hypothyroid conditions caused by infections usually disappear when the infection does this doesnt sound like the case with your wife thyroxin orally does shut down the thyroid through a feedback loop involving the pituitary i believe the pituitary thinks that the correct amount of thyroxin is being produced so it doesnt have to tell the thyroid to produce more this process is reversable i have hashimotos thyroiditis an autoimmune condition and was on thyroxin for approx 6 mo when my endocrinologist suggested i not take the pills for 6 wks when i was retested for thyroxin levels they were normal i still get tested every 6mo because the condition might reappear the pills are safe and have very few side affects those mostly at beginning of treatment having a baby might be a problem and would at least require closer monitoring of hormone levels thyroxin controls energy production which explains sleepiness coldness and weight gain there is also water retention possibly around heart changes in vision and coarser hair and skin among other things i am not a doctor so im sure i mistated something but the important thing is that thyroid problems are usually easily corrected and if they arent corrected can cause problems in the rest of the body get a second opinion from a good endocrinologist and have him her explain things in detail to you and your wife eileen bauer cars re what is the deal with blue book value of an auto mail bounced so in article 1993apr22 143709 13360 news eng convex com you write i am in the process of buying a new auto i havent decided yet whether i should sell my current car myself or trade it in as part of the new auto purchase traditional wisdom says you are almost certainly better off selling it yourself if you dont mind that extra hassle having a trade in on a purchase just makes getting the best price from a dealership more confusing i know that the blue book value for the car is 2825 i assume this is retail bluebook there are two bluebook prices one for retail and one for wholesale you really want the retail price if you can get it the blue books also have adjustments you can make for low mileage and extras on your particular car you should look all this stuff up yourself also keep in mind that the blue book prices are averages over the country that may not apply in your area for example blue book prices are low for california a better way of finding out how much your car might be worth is to call around and see what its selling for if any used lots have one or looking in local papers for similar cars and checking out the prices it might be more time efficient to take a small loss rather than hold out for 6 months for the best price an acquaintence has offered to give me blue book value for the car i dont know what you mean by an acquaintance but i would make darn sure that i was paid that is cashiers check in full before delivery theres a real temptation when selling to a pseudo friend to be more accomodating than you should make sure you get the money and if they hedge about paying in full at the start with a cashiers check or cash then i would go elsewhere rememeber that you can probably sell your car to a used car lot or wholesaler and get wholesale bluebook thats probably a safer approach than selling to a private party alan mountain dew and doughnuts ames elroy alan because breakfast is the most important meal alan elroy jpl nasa gov of the day windows re fast dosvga and 1024x768x256 windows video card info needed in article 1993apr25 220320 26510 doug cae wisc edu leo cae wisc edu leo lim writes ok i have a 486dx50 isa w diamond stealth vram 1mb i was really satisfied w its performance in windows but now more and more games needs higher frame rates in dos vga especially this new strike commander this stealth vram can only give me 17 5 fps i use 3dbench my winmark was 6 35 million i think so right now im considering to replace it w a new card which hopefully can perform approx same w my current vram in windows and also can perform dos vga preferably 30fps i am ordering the actix graphicsengine ultra plus it is the same price as the stealth card plus it is also based on s3 928 chip the newest and fastest chip from s3 everyone if you are looking for a card see the april issue of pc magazine for their review they noted this persons problem with dos the stealth card is not a very good dos performer the actix card is rated the best in this chip class non local bus it got glowing reports from the magazine was a best buy and i called them directly and they just updated their windows drivers last week they have a bulletin board to get the latest drivers though somone posted that this bbs was at 2400 at any rate the actix graphics engine ultra outperforms all the other cards in the 928 class based on the winmark results if you are looking for the all around best dos windows performance check out the actix card their 1 800 number is 927 5557 p s the article in pc magazine noted that if you are a regular dos user ie games then you should also check out the 801 chip from s3 it apparently scores just as well and in many cases slightly better in dos than the 928 chip ie stealth and actix cards they have comparable windows performance and are cheaper to buy eric medicine do we need a radiologist to read an ultrasound my wifes ob gyn has an ultrasound machine in her office when the doctor couldnt hear a fetal heartbeat 13 weeks she used the ultrasound to see if everything was ok it was on her next visit my wife asked another doctor in the office if they read the ultrasounds themselves or if they had a radiologist read the pictures the doctor very vehemently insisted that they were qualified to read the ultrasound and radiologists were not my wife is concerned about this she saw a tv show a couple months back something like 20 20 or dateline nbc etc where an expert on fetal ultrasounds a radiologist was showing all the different deffects that could be detected using the ultrasound should my wife be concerned should we take the pictures to a radiologist for a second opinion and if so where would we find such an expert in chicago we dont really have any special medical reason to be concerned but if a radiologist will be able to see things the ob gyn cant then i dont see why we shouldnt use one any thoughts doug bank private systems division dougb ecs comm mot com motorola communications sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg illinois dougb casbah acns nwu edu 708 576 8207 baseball mea culpa bosio no no like clinton and reno i accept full responsibility for this senseless disaster my wife and i picked this game to go to and thus caused the return of the pre season projected sox offense like all no nos bosio was good lucky hard grounder by vaughn off t martinez glove but straight to boone who threw to bosio at first 3 4 1 and backed by good defense many non trivial groundouts the game was amazingly fast as the sox tended to go down quickly and hesketh was also working fast the sox relief pitching was ok the runs off quantrill were on two ridiculous bloops and a hard line single which greenwell let get past him trying for a catch greenwells mental stability is a serious concern i guess it has always been but his quirks were amusing back when he was an mvp candidate wednesday he got in a huff with johnson a after striking out on a bad inside pitch apparently johnson made an ok ive got to stay focused gesture which iron mike interpreted as taunting and struck out to heavy booing the next two times as valentine noted last night he came up in the first after riles and quintana had walked to open the game can you say take the first pitch not mike who dribbled it into a 6 4 3 the pi quoted bosio that this was a batting practice fastball next time up he also hit the first pitch a hard liner straight to kgjr in center he also made the pathetic error and failed to catch boones hr which looked comparable to the ball lance johnson caught on the highlight reel that night is riles suppsoed to be good defensively i couldnt tell from the field angle but his range looked bad and he coughed a dp that cost a run or two why was he leadoff i hope fletcher gets well soon also on lineups pinella put bret boone fifth for reasons beyond me it seemed to work as he was 3 4 with a hr and some good defense a wag behind us said he sure dont want to go back to calgary there is a theory that you put a leadoff type fifth because theyll likely lead off the second as boone did well now we face the hot angels and another power pitcher in langston a reminder that contest entries are open through next wednesday i expect a surge of pessimism by the way ties will be broken by earliest entry one entry per person or pseudonym please and easy on the pseudonyms dave mb religion re religion and history the real discuss matthew huntbach writes sm a real christian unless youre born again is a very fundamental biblical sm conversion and regeneration are probably part of some small usa based cult the born again tag often use it to mean very specifically having undergone some sort of ecstatic experience which can in fact be very easily manufactured with a little psychological manipulation and are often insultingly dismissive of those whose christianity is a little more intellectual is not the result some of these cults which seems like a rather dismissive term to me are pretty big here in the usa most of them are quite respectable neiborly do not resemble branch davidians in the least confusing them is a mistake what about live let live folks im sure we can uncover a few extremist loonies who are catholic the anti abortion movement in the usa seems to have a few hard cases in it for example ive often heard such people use the line catholics arent real christians indeed anyone sending missionaries to ireland must certainly be taking this line for otherwise why would they not be content for christianity to be maintained in ireland in its traditional catholic form i have to agree matthew with this i have certainly encountered a lot of anti catholic religion propaganda emotion some bigotry from members of certain religious groups here they also practice their missionary work with zeal among catholics in the united states but to someone who is or was raised catholic such rhetoric is pretty off putting it may work better in an environment where theres a lot of popular anti clericalism follow ups set elsewhere this no longer seems very relevant to celtic issues to me windows diamond 24 windows 3 1 conflict hello i have some problems with my diamond stealth local bus graphic card when i try to start windows my system stop and display no free files handles cannot load command system halted its perhaps a bios setup problem but im not used to my ami bios setup if somebody can explain me how to setup shadow video rom others shadow rom and also how to config the two advenced setup for a best utilisation of my graphic card thanks for any answer ch robert baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1993apr16 172502 21766 princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig writes in article 1993apr16 122649 22938 husc3 harvard edu fry zariski harvard edu david fry writes once on jeopardy the category was jewish sports heros believe it or not the answer was this pitcher had four no hitters with the dodgers in the 60s the contestant said who is hank aaron alex trebek said something like i dont think hank aaron was a pitcher well it is a jewish name 8 roger thats right remember hank greenberg baseball re braves pitching updatedir in article 1993apr15 001211 18457 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes in article 1993apr14 200649 12578 pts mot com ep502dn pts mot com writes this certainly passes the common sense test for me but is there any statistical evidence to say what percent of defense is pitching and what percent is fielding not yet i wish there were its much more difficult to tease these apart than to tease apart scoring runs and preventing runs and thus we come to one of the true beauties of baseball these things along with many others will never be separated almost everything in baseball is situational and interdependent this is what allows us to carry on all the arguments that we have if everything could be explained and balanced on a statistical basis none of the wonder and mystery would be left why we might have to resort to just going out the ballyard and enjoy the game itself paul feeling a little anti stathead today we will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard 503 750 3511 home 3006 nw mckinley corvallis or 97330 503 752 8424 a sabr member since 1979 guns re gun control who needs it in article 1r7693 64f transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes stuff deleted 3 the teflon bullet bill proposed by nra included much more than i think you mean hci here teflon bullets it would have banned damn near all common hunting ammunition 4 we finally did get a bill that outlawed the sale of teflon bullets and only teflon bullets outside the law enforcement community guess who wrote it joe mboy it was your beloved nra snip followups to t p g cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet joe joe preiser at t bell laboratories azoun cormyr att com room ih 6g 329 cormyr azoun 2000 n naperville rd 708 979 4152 naperville il 60566 windows bigger window headings does anyone know of bigger raster fonts im using a mag 15h monitor with a diamond ss24x in 1280x1024 mode and would prefer to have larger characters for the windows heading practically for everything im already using the 8514 character sets mark any idea of the difference between the 15h and the 15f religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 in article bskendigc5ku3c 6dx netcom com bskendig netcom com brian kendig writes ive asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me i really wish i could believe in him cos no matter how much confidence i build up on my own the universe is a big place and it would be so nice to know i have someone watching over me in it brian k i am pleased with your honesty and to be honest as well i believe you have not asked my god to come to you why do i say this because by the things you write on the net and the manner with which you write them you show me that you made up your own god and are attempting to pass him off as the real thing i got news for you yours doesnt at all sound like mine your god doesnt come to you because your god doesnt exist ive gone into this with an open mind ive layed my beliefs aside from time to time when ive had doubt and ive prayed to see what good that would do i dont see what more i can do to open myself to your god short of just deciding to believe for no good reason and if i decide to believe for no good reason why not believe in some other god zeus seems like a pretty cool candidate i am sorry brian but when i read your postings i do not see an open mind what i do see is misunderstanding lack of knowledge arrogance and mockery please tell me what more i can do while still remaining true to myself be true to yourself then have an open mind and so end the mockery gain knowledge of the real god put your presumptions aside read the bible and know that there is truly is a reason for everything and there exists a god that has so much love for you that the depth of it goes beyond our shallow worldly experience a person who commits himself to seeking god will find god jesus stands at your door and knocks but a person who half heartedly opens the bible or opens it with purpose to find something to mock will find learn and see nothing the only thing one will gain with that attitude is folly be careful to not jump the gun for at first glance there are many passages in the bible that will seem bizarre and absurd be assured that even though they seem alien at first be confident that they are not be assured that beyond your present comprehension there lies such deep reasons that once you see them you will indeed be satisfied i will personally guarantee that one as jesus put it you will never be thirsty again your cup will even flow over from king solomon 970 b c to 930 b c it is the glory of god to conceal a matter to search out a matter is the glory of kings jesus says in john 6 44 55 no one can come to me unless the father who sent me draws him and in john 3 16 for god so loved the world that he gave his one and only son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life you are included in whosoever and i also pray that the father is drawing you which it seems he is doing else you wouldnt be posting to talk religion misc remember brian you could be a st paul in the making paul not only mocked christians as you do but also had pleasure stoning them yet god showed him mercy saved him and paul became on of the most celebrated men in the history of gods church you see brian i myself better be careful and not judge you because you could indeed be the next paul for with the fervor that you attack christians one day you might find yourself one and like paul proclaim the good news of jesus with that very same fervor or more or you could be the next peter what jesus said to peter jesus would probably say to you satan would surely like to have you why so because peter was hard headed cynical and demonstrated great moments of stupidity but once peter committed himself to a task he did with full heart peter was the only apostle to have the faith to walk on water as jesus did you asked why not believe in zeus zeus didnt offer eternal life you got nothing to gain by believing in zeus brian ceccarelli brian gamma1 lpl arizona edu baseball re best sportwriters in article c5k7nk 7tv news cso uiuc edu rkoffler ux4 cso uiuc edu bighelmet writes csc2imd cabell vcu edu ian m derby writes since someone brought up sports radio howabout sportswriting i happen to be a big fan of jayson stark he is a baseball writer for the philadelphia inquirer every tuesday he writes a week in review column he writes about unusual situations that occured during the week unusual stats he has a section called kinerisms of the week which are stupid lines by mets brodcaster ralph kiner every year he has the lgtgah contest that stands for last guy to get a hit he also writes for baseball america that column is sort of a highlights of week in review if you can check his column out sometime he might make you laugh might youd have to have no sense of humor at all not to my favorite stuff are the zero heros players who havent hit homers in a long time the lgtgah who is that named after i cant remember and the box score line of the week incidentally i just found out that the column has been moved to sundays i get my dad to send it to me up here in boston every week great stuff adam a phaithful phillies phan levin cars re lh workmanship in article 1ql178inn51q tamsun tamu edu dlb5404 tamuts tamu edu daryl biberdorf writes in article 1993apr15 203750 25764 walter bellcore com jchen ctt bellcore com writes i just visited the ny auto show and saw two lh cars on the floor eagle vision and dodge intrepid at a competitive price unfortunately the workmanship is quite disappointing on both cars the rubber seals around the window and door fell off it turns out the seals are just big grooved rubber band it goes on just by pressing through a single data point you can draw any line you want dr s bart childs professor texas a m dept of computer science wrong i got two points which were the 100 sample space on the show floor by the previous quote i guess i may drow a determinstic line both my pastors late model corolla and my fathers 1987 stanza have demonstrated the falling door seals problem as unfair as it may seem the difference between chrysler and toyota is that chrysler needs to prove that it can build quality cars toyota can afford make a few small mistakes without hurting the image after all door seal failing on a 6 year old stanza is not comparable to the same problem on a brand new intreprid jason chen baseball early bbddd returns just curious if anyone has started to standout early in the season in the bb ddd this year i expect the phillies staff while getting the wins would have to rank up there luis gonzalez and derrick may are among the early league leaders and all 6 of their bombs have come at the phils expense neither of them have exactly been know for their tater prowess in the past how have the rockies been early i know mile high has produced a ton of runs but is it the launching pad everyone expected yet a concerned fan of the bb ddd adam witness to the phillies lone loss of the season so far levin medicine re need advice with doctor patient relationship problem sounds as though his hearts in the right place but he is not adept at expressing it what you received was meant to be a profound apology apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi medicine acutane fibromyalgia syndrome and cfs to nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye there is a person on the fido cfs echo who claims that he was cured of cfs by taking accutane he also claims that you are using it in the treatment of fibromyalgia syndrome are you using accutane in the treatment of fibromyalgia syndrome have you used it for cfs have you gotten good results with it are you aware of any double blind studies on the use of accutane in these conditions thank you in advance for all replies i think they should rename waco tx to wacko tx medicine re request gyro souvlaki sauce i got this recipe from a watier on the greek island of samos they use it as a spread for bread there butit is excellent on gyros as well by the way the actual name is tzatziki here is the recipe yoghurt chopped garlic peeled chopped cucumber salt white pepper a little olive oil and a little vinegar i would love to hear of any other good greek recipes out there jon walker jowalker oboe calpoly edu religion re lds ricks reply in article c5kdzk 497 acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsd cc buffalo edu robert weiss says just briefly on something that you mentioned in passing you refer to differing interpretations of create and say that many christians may not agree so what that is really irrelevant we do not base our faith on how many people think one way or another do we the bottom line is truth regardless of popularity of opinions im sorry i thought we were discussing heresy i assumed that heresy meant a departure from orthodoxy in which case generally accepted belief is indeed an important issue in this case the definition of the word create is of great importance since creation is the issue being discussed also i find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created and eternally existent are equivalent you say granted the mormon belief you cant grant your conclusion and then expect the point to have been addressed in order to reply to the issue you have to address and answer the point that was raised and not just jump to the conclusion that you grant i should have said given the mormon belief if you disagree with the mormon belief that creation is more a function of organization of eternally existent substance than one of ex nihilo creation then that is the important point the bible states that lucifer was created the bible states that jesus is the creator of all the contradiction that we have is that the lds belief is that jesus and lucifer were the same correction you interpret the bible to mean something very specific by such terms the mormon belief is that all are children of god literally there is nothing symbolic about it this however contradicts what the bible says the bible teaches that not everyone is a child of god it always cracks me up when anti mormons presume to tell mormons what they believe mormons do in fact believe that all people including christ and lucifer are children of god in the sense that we were all created or organized or whatever by him we also believe that being offspring of god has a symbolic sense when applied to being spiritually born again of him thus the same word can be used to convey different meanings this is how language works robert and its why making someone an offender for a word is dangerous this is really a red herring it doesnt address any issue raised but rather it seeks to obfuscate the fact that some groups try to read something into the bible doesnt change what the bible teaches for we first look to the bible to see what it teaches to discount or not even address what the bible teaches because there are some groups that have differing views is self defeating to see what the bible teaches you have to look at the bible on the contrary robert it is not a red herring at all to show that those who rely wholly on the bible cannot seem to agree on what it says you say that one must simply look at the bible to see what it teaches but centuries of people doing just that have sho0wn that no one is really sure what it says are we to believe that you are the only one who really understands the scriptures i find this rather curious when i mentioned that the mormon belief is that jesus needed to be saved i put forward some quotes from the late apostle bruce mcconkie the curious part is that no one addressed the issue of jesus needing to be saved rick comes the closest with his i have my own conclusions to addressing the point let me clarify this one more time you did not refer to the mormon belief that jesus needed to be saved but rather to mcconkies belief in same we keep trying to point out to you that bruce mcconkie is not the source of mormon doctrine and you keep ignoring it see below most of the other replies have instead hop scotched to the issue of bruce mcconkie and whether his views were official doctrine i dont think that it matters if mcconkies views were canon that is not the issue were mcconkies writings indicative of mormon belief on this subject is the real issue the indication from rick is that they may certainly be on the contrary robert if you are quoting mcconkies words as mormon canon then the question of whether they are canon or not is of great importance the fact is that they are not whether or not they indicate general mormon belief would only be ascertainable by interviewing a large number of mormons robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu rick anderson librba byuvm bitnet windows twain drivers for logitech scanman hi i was wondering if anyone knew whether or not logitech had windows twain drivers for the scanman if so are the drivers on the net somewhere my scanman is the model one down from the scanman 256 thanks in advance ross barclay ross barclay rbarclay trentu ca peterborough ontario guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 23apr199314304189 rigel tamu edu mst4298 rigel tamu edu mitchell s todd writes if there was a large propane tank and it was breached dont you think that there would be an identifiable explosion from what i saw of the videotape there was an explosion which looked more like one due to propane rather than official version ammunition the only evidence that exists right now at least what we know about is various claims and counter claims im waiting until the hard evidence is released what about you if only we could be certain that the hard evidence will be released al standard disclaimer baseball re expanded nl strike zone was re a surfeit of offense it was my impression watching the mets rockies that umpires were calling strikes above the belt too but not as far up as the letters it would be nice if this were the case jay medicine legality of placebos how is it that placebos are legal it would seem to me that if as a patient you purchase a drug youve been prescribed and its just sugar or whatever theres a few legal complications that arise 1 if you have been diagnosed with a condition and you arent given accepted treatment for it it seems like intentional medical malpractice 2 a placebo should fall legally under the label of quackery why not 3 getting what you pay for deceptive bait and switch to an extreme false advertising what if mcdonalds didnt put 100 pure beef in their hamburgers so im mystified are these assumptions erred if they arent why the hell can a doctor knowingly or unknowingly prescribe a placebo thanks calzone windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 1993may1 211741 25086 wam umd edu rsrodger wam umd edu yamanari writes in article c6d616 25m uceng uc edu bferrell ant occ uc edu brett ferrell writes in article 1993may1 154707 10177 hubcap clemson edu ludes hubcap clemson edu larry ludes ludwig writes and not being able to adress your memory better than dos not sure what you mean here os 2 sees 16 megs uses 5 or six of these for its own use more if you want to count winos 2 windows sees 16 megs uses 3 or 4 more like 5 if you count the disk cache as i am for os 2 for itself if memory efficiency were a big issue pc geos would be the current king of the intel desktop i assumed he was referring to os 2s 32 bit flat model addressing while dos and therefore windows use 20 bit segmented addressing as a programmer i agree that segmentation unnecessarily complicates things its annoying too but when just a windows user i dont think about it much and i doubt many other people think about it or even care when just writing a document calcing a spreadsheet etc it works and they get their work done just a neutral comment its funny i think how arguments about windows vs os 2 sound so very similar to arguments about atheism vs christianity or something like that its somehow very personal to people convictions are irrational and theres nothing wrong with that its just interesting brad smalling jr ee ga tech atlanta ga gt2617c prism gatech edu windows re info menu choice in file manager in article shenoy 737772666 pv025f vincent iastate edu shenoy iastate edu shiva shenoy writes in 1993may18 141451 3443 trintex uucp charles tinman dev prodigy com charles r emmons writes description of file manager info menu option edit the winfile ini file if there is a section addons in it great else add the following two lines if the addons section exists then just add the second line addons info filesize dll note that the filesize dll is a part of the windows resource kit if you install it and you can download it from cica it will make the appropriate changes itself kartik if you quote my article remember to trim it down to the essentials anant kartik mithal akm cs uoregon edu network manager ph d student 503 346 3989 comp science u of oregon eugene or 97403 503 346 5373 fax guns re change of name can you read if so read my posting about quisling or look in a dictionary if not dont read this thomas medicine prk referral in canada could some please refer me to someone who can perform prk photo refractive keratostomy in canada preferably eastern portion ive looked in the yellow pages with little success and if someone has had a good or bad for that matter experience that would be especially helpful if you could please let me know thanks kurt hozak 92hozak lab cc wmich edu preferred address medicine help info claritin allergies my doc handed me 10mg samples of claritin brand of ioratadine tablet from schering corp i tried to find it in the pdr to no avail i do remember she mentioned this drug was relatively new to the us but available overseas for quite some time looking mostly for side effect contraindications and mode of action such that it differs from seldane and hismanal email or newsgroup is fine thanx in advance steve giammarco 5330 peterson lane dallas tx 75240 marco sdf lonestar org loveyameanit baseball re reds without sleeves was re new uniforms in article 1993apr6 204514 2180 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes in article 12805 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes am i the only person who thinks the reds sleeveless uniforms are ugly yet another reason why they wont win the nl west if uniforms really were a deciding factor in pennant races the 79 pirates would have never won anything those have to be the ugliest uniforms ive ever seen particular the all yellow set sherri nichols snichols adobe com my vote goes for the 75 indians with their all red uniforms boog powell once said he felt like a big red blood clot rich barry barry ihlpe att com windows re windows 3 1 vs communication proagrams in article 10377 lee seas ucla edu victorf wright seas ucla edu victor friedman writes can anybody tell me what exactly windows 3 1 does to the com ports why cant i run a single communication program under windows i have procomm quicklink commo neither of them respond to modem commands after the connection has finally been established although im still able to manage vick victorf seas ucla edu this is one of the trickiest problems w win 3 1 personally i run telix 3 2 for dos under windows just fine and ve been waiting for the win version froever but i have to admit i am the exception to the rule i have tried installing various dos comm progs on friends machines most of them w big problems some of the stuff you have to lookout for 1 always run the prog thru a pif never by calling its exe 2 in the pif always toggle on lock application memory actually this is something ms points out in the readme wri file and is especially critical for downloading 3 go under ctrl panel 386 enh and check for all your com ports alway warn it will help u w debugging this thing and its healthier 4 check where are u running the mouse from com port 5 check the com port addresses from your bios setup and from ctrl panel ports setup advanced these might help u if yu still have problems get 100 and buy procomm win hope it helps somehow costas malamas georgia institute of technology oit ua oit doesnt pay me enough to share their opinions internet ccastco prism gatech edu guns re need senate bill numbers and house resolution numbers in 53930421052235 0005111312na3em mcimail com 0005111312 mcimail com peter nesbitt writes i want to get involved in the fight to save our gun rights but first i need to get a little more educated ive been reading all the magzines and books i can get my hands on and sifting through hundreds of messages here in the internet can anyone tell me how where to obtain this info surely there has to be a way to obtain copies of anti gun legislation from those s in washington the house document room can be reached at 1 202 225 3456 you need to have the number of the document you want e g hr1036 and theyll be happy to send it to you tell them if its going to be a big stack because the surly sounding guy who answers is scrawling in a really awful hand on the back of the envelope that will come and will run out of room quickly if you dont tell him the senate document room is too important to deal with the likes of you and i and will answer requests from off the hill only by mail laird p broadfield lairdb crash cts com ucsd nosc crash lairdb hi im a shareware signature send 5 if you use me send 10 for manual medicine whats a bone scan my mother has been advised to have a bone scan performed what is this procedure for and is it painful shes been having leg and back pain which her gp said was sciatica her oncologist listened to her symptoms and said that it didnt sound like sciatica and she should get a bone scan cindy w windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article c71c1k 2yk news rich bnr ca bjgrier bnr ca brian grier writes i think most of the people posting are forgetting that most users of ms products do not even know about internet and unix is that very unfriendly place where bizzare abreviations replace the rather comfortable abreviations they know and the abreviations have subtle differences between the different vendors while pc users tend to customize any windowing setup they can not do much with their command line you cant customize a command line interface where have you been i can change the prompt i can make aliases so someone like me who is used to say ls can type it on my dos machine and still get a directory listing and under unix if i dont like the command line interface i throw it out and get a different one csh bash ksh sh etc so to most of the computer users in the world ms product symbolize quality ms has made their life easier and more productive and to them that is quality they do not care about what innovative things ms has done other than to make their life with a computer one heck of a lot easier you may know better than most computer users in this world but that will not change their perception this is true face it until unix come up with a decent gui that is available to all variations of unix it just will not catch on with the mainstream of computer users we here on the net are not mainstream computer users a decent gui for all variations of unix lessee what about motif or the stuff from mit twm comes to mind those are pretty standard heck an xwindows program runs like it likes to all the end user has to really know is how to manipulate the actual windows with the mouse and since it is a gui its graphical and a bit easier to figure out something the windows people have been pressing down our throats for some time now the thing i fear is that there will be a gap between the normal users running windows all flavors and the other power users running unix and other more advanced oses at least right now dos is still pretty much king i can bring a copy of my latest whiz bang programming demo over to my friends house and since we both run dos he can enjoy it too agrier gompers gompers edu or tfinn crash cts com preferred guns batf acronym havent seen this one on here yet so here it goes b arely a dequate t otally f ed i dont know about adequate but it fits the acronym andrew diederich diederic spot colorado edu these opinions are only mine on alternate tuesdays religion commandments i the basics why should anyone check lets restrict this to christians why do we want to find commandments in the books regarded as scripture whats going on i will pass on psychologizing answers whether dismissive or more open as not the kind of issue to deal with here the question is what is the theological point involved and it has been quoted at me often enough by those who dont believe i take it seriously that jesus is said to have said if you love me you will obey my commands john 14 15 i am like any christian the slave of christ and it is my will that i should do as he wills me to do i am also or instead his younger brother but still under his direction though we both call god abba christians therefore will try to find what it is that their lord commands them and discovering it will feel obligated to do it or to confess their failure readers here may set aside the theologizing jargon such as slaves of christ the point is that adherents of a religion will read the texts whether classified as inspired or not that are held up as models in an effort to find application to their own situations this practice ranges from devotional reading of sermons and the like to the exegesis of canon ical scripture as the word of god and at the highest pitch this leads to a question of whether we can find in inspired scripture something that can act as absolute guidance for our actions the problem is in finding out just what it is our lord commands i am going to set aside for this essay one major direction in which christians have looked for these commands namely christian tradition that is not because i reject tradition but because my primary audience in this essay is protestants who deny tradition a determinative value in favor of the witness of scripture the question i want to deal with is what commandments can we find from our lord in scripture and that turns out to be a hard question if any of my protestant inquisitors would like to turn the discussion to the authority of tradition i can accomodate them unlike most protestants episcopalians admit claims from a scripture b reason and c tradition on roughly equal standing earlier in john than my quote above we read john 13 34 i give you a new commandment love one another this is the only place in the nt where christians are given an explicit commandment with the context commenting on its imperative mode pronouncement by jesus at the same meal so we readers infer since it is not in john but in the synoptics jesus says take this bread this is my body mark 14 22 cf matthew 26 26 luke 22 19 1 corinthians 11 24 the mode is imperative greek labete and hence this too is a commandment in both cases we have to infer that the command is directed to a wider circle than the immediate collocation of disciples because we judge the evangelists point in mentioning it with the disciples by then mostly or entirely dead is that we are expected to follow this as a commandment from our lord in the case of communion pauls mention at least this is probably true of the evangelists also implies an ongoing ritual liturgy in which these words operate to bind christians to the original command to his disciples as a continuing commandment to the christian community i am entirely comfortable with this inference but i must point out that it is there between us and the occasion on which jesus spoke the command i take it as a clear inference at the very least the evangelists notion that all christians are called to love one another in jesus command directed at the disciples but i have to call attention to the inference the command cannot apply to me without the generalization from the specific context of its statement to my own context as a disciple of christ all reading of scripture has to make such inferences to get any sense out of the text whatsoever this is a general problem in reading these texts we cannot read them at all without our own understanding of our native languages in which we normally read the translated texts and without some appreciation of the original context and at points the original languages when english misleads us i am going to presume in what follows that we have the general problem of how to read scripture under control i dont really think this is true but it will suffice for my current purposes i will address only the issues that arise when we have already coped with the understanding of a 2000 year old text from another world than the one we live in questions at that level only introduce more reser vations about the commandments issue than will be found stipulating that we can read the texts as the original audience might have done among the reasons we have for seeing johns agapate allelou as a general commandment not merely an instruction by jesus to this disciples on that one occasion and one linking it to the synoptic great commandment is that we have criticism from jesus about limiting our love to those whom we congenially associate with in matthew 5 43ff we read you have learnt how it was said you must love your neighbor and hate your enemy but i say to you love your enemies in fact the leviticus context quoted does not say hate your enemy it is merely the common human presumption and leviticus is at pains to say that the love should extend to strangers amongst the people of israel luke in expanding on this same q context goes on to have jesus say even sinners love those who love them 6 27 all of this suggests quite strongly id say that limiting the scope of the new commandment is not quite what jesus has in mind in short inference leads me to generalizing the actual text to a command that is in force on christians and with objects not limited to other christians trickier than the agapate allelou or institution of communion there is the case of the great commission where matthew 10 mark 6 the twelve are sent out to evangelize proclaim that the kingdom of heaven is close at hand the verb is imperative ke russete but the context is rather specific to the twelve and there are further specifiers as in do not turn your steps to pagan territory and do not enter any samaritan town the lukan parallels are even more specific to jesus final journey to jerusalem which make it harder to see this generalizing to all christians than the previous examples that hasnt prevented christians from making such an inference what i have to call attention to is that such inference is not justified in the text nor unlike the first two cases i cite by the rhetoric of the evangelist urged on the reader still paul seems to have felt obliged to proclaim that the kingdom of heaven is close at hand even contrary to jesus instructions to the 12 to the gentiles to the ends of the earth so christians after him have also taken this as a commandment in the sense of john 14 15 do i accept this i dont know it is surely rather speculative but you see how the ripples of inference spread out from the text that is the pretext christians may infer a general commandment applicable to all from what is presented in the gospels as a specific occasion i do not necessarily object to this kind of generalization but i insist that people who make it must have an understanding that they are reasoning at some considerable length from what we actually have in scripture there are assumptions involved in this reasoning and these are not themselves scriptural though people will do their best to justify their assumptions by other references to scripture which simply adds more inference into the mix lets move on to the great commandment that we should love god with our whole hearts and minds and souls this is perhaps the synoptic equivalent of johns agapate allelou and yet it is not presented as a commandment in our texts rather the context is controversy with the pharisees to cite matthew 22 34ff but when the pharisees heard that he had silenced the sadducees they got together and to disconcert him one of them put a question master which is the greatest commandment of the law it is by no means obvious here though i accept it as such that jesus answer is meant to be a commandment to christians he is answering a polemic from his enemies marks account in 12 28 34 casts the answer in a far more positive light as so the scribe in this version says far more important than any holocaust i need to point out that this word originates in the context of animal sacrifice forget the nazis for this or sacrifice luke is intermediate he has a lawyer posing the question to disconcert jesus and gets the good samarian parable for his pains luke 10 25 37 the contexts here are so confusingly various that one could be forgiven for drawing no inferences in no account is this said as if it were obviously to be taken as a commandment binding on christians though i think it an entirely reasonable conclusion in each case that jesus thinks it to be so the point is that our mental gears have to grind a cycle or so to get to any conclusion from all of this about what we are commanded to do by jesus and all of this is contingent on our understanding the point of jesus use of the torah in the all quite different gospel accounts and the application of such a context to us the different contexts among the synoptics are curious it should be noted that only in luke do we get the fixing of this command by the parable of the good samaritan we may look for an analogous intent in matthew where 7 12 gives the golden rule as the meaning of the law and the prophets and where we may also hear an echo of hillel saying the same a generation before jesus if we make these associations which i think are entirely reasonable we are again indulging in inference the texts do not explicitly support us rather we read the texts as having this kind of inter relationship current literary theory calls this intertextuality my discussion of why the agapate allelou has to apply beyond the community of the disciples and beyound the circle of christian believers applies again here to buttress a conclusion that this is despite the presentation not saying so explicitly a commandment to christians few christians would disagree with my conclusions but i must point out that they are conclusions they depend on rather elaborate chains of reasoning that are simply not present in the texts themselves the contextual problem keeps coming up more and more severely as we look at those sayings of jesus that are not so universally taken by christians as commandments and we get some really hard cases take divorce mark is pretty clear the man who divorces his wife and marries another is guilty of adultery against her 10 11 cf luke 16 18 except that matthew has an escape clause except in the case of fornication 5 31 this seems to be a rather clear commandment whether or not we take matthews reservation and some christians to this day take it so but some dont at least in practice this is rather peculiar it is not as if jesus were not explicit about this whereas he says nothing at all about some of the things people gnash their teeth over how is it possible if the commands of christ are clear that matthew can so disagree with the other evangelists of the synoptic tradition im going to continue this examination into ever murkier waters but this is enough to start with the theme is finding commandments in scripture is an exercise in inference our inferences are informed by our assumptions that is our own cultural biases i have so far identified a very few commandments that are generally accepted by all christians and yet in these already some of the difficulties start to surface it is these difficulties i want to discuss in my next essay on this topic the divorce commandment already strikes at some of the difficulties i see almost no evidence that the people who are so eager to find commandments to condemn me with spend any time at all writing nasty screeds to soc couples or misc legal about the horrors or viciousness of divorce or demanding that us law refuse to allow it or refuse unrepentant divorcees places in their churches that is not to say that divorce doesnt enter into consideration in general it is most definitely a matter of concern in even the most liberal church circles for example a wildly liberal episcopalian priest of my aqauintence in a wildly liberal diocese has recommended to a couple who approached him to marry them that they have a private secular ceremony before a judge so that the public ceremony he celebrated need not go through an agonizing examination by officials who would just as soon not take on this role of interpreting the commands we are faced with as christians this in a church that was effectively created by a famous divorce michael l siemon i say you are gods sons of the mls panix com most high all of you nevertheless or you shall die like men and fall mls ulysses att com like any prince psalm 82 6 7 cars re the kuebelwagen thwang mentor cc purdue edu tommy hwang writes sorry for the mis spelling but i forgot how to spell it after my series of exams and no on hand reference here is it still possible to get those cute wwii vw jeep wanna bes a replica would be great i think tkh 93 according to the complete guide to specialty cars 7th edition from crown publishing its the vw kubelwagen w 2 dots over the u the company is wolfkam p o box 1608 vika 0119 oslo 1 norway 011 47 30 26601 voice line 011 47 2 166138 fax line an excerpt from the blurb this fine kubel clone from wolfkam is a very close copy of the original and offers the same all weather and cross country capabilities as its wwii forebears the robust fiberglass body kit is very complete and includes all the hardware you will need except for your own vw donor car the phone number is the entire at t dialing sequence call and ask for karl torum or send 5 cash or international money order for a complete literature package george p s id be happy to share what info i have on other kit cars and kit car manufacturers p p s im looking for a used or partially completed porsche 356 speedster convertible d replica from intermeccanica id appreciate any leads or advice stories from any owners out there baseball what does jeff king suck t was second guessing the pirates ken ziolkowski transarc com writes im still hoping for a 500 season from the bucs but i really wished they would have coughed up the to keep doug around actually i was hoping for barry bonds oh well p s jeff king still sucks check this out from the latest mcweekly ba slg obp hr rbi jeff king 234 277 357 0 4 jose lind 323 484 344 0 5 first off jeff has had like 5 hits in the last two games and walked yet again sorry ken but jeff king does have some power which means his slg wont be below 300 and his walks are way up if that increase is real jeff king will be an above average nl third baseman in 1993 jose lind on the other hand still doesnt walk and clearly isnt a 320 hitter my bet is that he wont be getting any extra bases either once everybody starts pulling the lind shift we were seeing in the nl any predictions as to when he is sent to buffalo or released outright no although since the lavalliere weirdness nothing would really surprise me jeff king is currently in the top 10 in the league in walks something is up jking religion re the list of biblical contradictions jim brown wrote deleted i feel that those who use the kjv as a basis for arguing biblical contradictions are either being intellectually dishonest purposefully wanting to show the bible in the worst light possible or they are being mentally lazy and are taking the easy way out either way they leave the theist the option of countering with well thats just the kjv thats not what my xxx version says deleted unfortunately its not that simple the kjv is preferred by the majority of fundamentalists at least here the second part of your argument fails as well since that statement can be used against any version not just the kjv deleted ive based my argument on one of the best modern translations available which is based on the work of the leading biblical scholars deleted i would not find this statement to be very useful since it is an appeal to authority and the opposition will just claim that their authorities are better a second tact that local creationists have used is to reply but those scholars are atheists and cannot be believed they will also use this phrase to describe any theologians that they dont agree with deleted gen 30 39 and the flocks conceived before the rods and brought forth cattle ringstraked speckled and spotted deleted the verse being discussed clearly claims that sympathetic magic works i e placing stripped sticks in the cattle breeding grounds causes stripped and spotted calves to be born and should be attacked on that basis no biologist has ever observed this claimed correlation baseball seeking all star game info ok ok ok first my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request but here goes anyhow im very interested in finding out how i might be able to get two tickets for the all star game in baltimore this year my very aged folks live about 50 miles away and i know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game i went with them and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child to the all star game in dc many years ago although im now in the sf bay area id love to be able to treat my folks to this game its absolutely the last chance theyd ever have to attend this g ame locally any info would be greatly appreciated mary cole mcole informix com medicine re use of haldol in elderly lawrence curcio lc2b andrew cmu edu wrote ive seen people in their forties and fifties become disoriented and demented during hospital stays in the examples ive seen drugs were definitely involved my own father turned into a vegetable for a short time while in the hospital he was fifty three at the time and he was on 21 separate medications the family protested but the doctors were adamant telling us that none of the drugs interact they even took the attitude that if he was disoriented they should put him on something else as well with the help of an md friend of the family we had all his medication discontinued he had a seizure that night and was put back on one drug two days later he was his old self again i guess there arent many medical texts that address the subject of 21 way interactions i saw the same thing happen to my father and i can more or less validate your take on hospitals it seems to me that medical science understands precious little about taking care of the human machine drugs are given as a response to symptoms and i guess that makes sense since all the studies that validate the effectiveness of those drugs are based on a narrow assessment of the degree of particular symptoms but there seems to be very little appreciation for the well being of a person outside of the numbers that appear on a test i watched my dad wither away and lose huge amounts of body fat and muscles tissue while in the hospital there is something a little crazy about a system in which there is more attention paid to giving you every latest drug available than there is attention paid to whether you have had enough to eat to prevent loss of muscle tissue it is really really bizarre will estes internet westes netcom com medicine re nose picking in article stephen 736228799 mont stephen mont cs missouri edu stephen montgomery smith writes 1 does it cause the body any harm if one picks ones nose for example might it lead to a loss of ability to smell it may be a good way to catch a cold its easy to pick up cold viruses on your fingers either from touching a contaminated surface or by shaking hands with someone that has a cold then putting your fingers in your nose will transfer the viruses to your nose steven litvintchouk mitre corporation 202 burlington road bedford ma 01730 1420 fone 617 271 7753 arpa sdl mitre org uucp linus sdl medicine re pregnency without sex in article 1993apr27 182155 23426 oswego oswego edu harry matthews writes ive heard of community swimming pools refered to as public urinals so what else is going on do you swim nude in a public swimming pool i doubt sperm can penetrate swimsuit material assuming they arent immediately dispersed by water currents brian tao taob r node hub org r node bbs 416 249 5366 free 90taobri wave scar utoronto ca university of toronto religion re food for thought on tyre af664 yfn ysu edu frank decenso jr writes pps am i giving you too many clues too many clues not enough substance you ask a lot of good questions though but they are questions you should be worried about not me im not the inerrantist here let me know when you are ready to get serious dj windows call for presentations navy sciviz vr seminar call for presentations navy scientific visualization and virtual reality seminar tuesday june 22 1993 carderock division naval surface warfare center formerly the david taylor research center bethesda maryland sponsor ness navy engineering software system is sponsoring a one day navy scientific visualization and virtual reality seminar the purpose of the seminar is to present and exchange information for navy related scientific visualization and virtual reality programs research developments and applications presentations presentations are solicited on all aspects of navy related scientific visualization and virtual reality all current work works in progress and proposed work by navy organizations will be considered four types of presentations are available 1 regular presentation 20 30 minutes in length 2 short presentation 10 minutes in length 3 video presentation a stand alone videotape author need not attend the seminar 4 scientific visualization or virtual reality demonstration byoh accepted presentations will not be published in any proceedings however viewgraphs and other materials will be reproduced for seminar attendees abstracts authors should submit a one page abstract and or videotape to robert lipman naval surface warfare center carderock division code 2042 bethesda maryland 20084 5000 voice 301 227 3618 fax 301 227 5753 e mail lipman oasys dt navy mil authors should include the type of presentation their affiliations addresses telephone and fax numbers and addresses multi author papers should designate one point of contact deadlines the abstact submission deadline is april 30 1993 notification of acceptance will be sent by may 14 1993 materials for reproduction must be received by june 1 1993 for further information contact robert lipman at the above address please distribute as widely as possible thanks robert lipman internet lipman oasys dt navy mil david taylor model basin cdnswc or lip ocean dt navy mil computational signatures and voicenet 301 227 3618 structures group code 2042 factsnet 301 227 5753 bethesda maryland 20084 5000 phishnet stockings long legs the sixth sick shieks sixth sheeps sick baseball re bases loaded walk gives reds win in 12 redreport 4 21 in article grabiner 93apr23115329 germain harvard edu grabiner math harvard edu david grabiner writes in article mssc5w795 7g4 netcom com mark singer writes based only on this data i dont see any reason to pinch hit for sabo or any other player who had been a poor clutch hitter in the past but there are many other factors involved in a decision to pinch hit does the pinch hitter give you a platoon advantage any portion of sabos clutch split that results from his platoon split is certainly a real ability even if it has nothing to do with clutch hitting do you have a singles hitter at the plate when you need a home run do you have a curveball pitcher facing a batter who has trouble with curves hey whats this we agree no platoon advantage sabo vs samuel both players have a reputation of being excellent fastball hitters and both have a reputation of being fooled too often with slow curves and change ups sabo has more power and a little bit of a better batting eye samuel is noted as an agressive free swinger sabo has more homerun power both players started the game hitting below 200 there may have been some game considerations that might have prompted perez to want to reserve samuel for use later but the game was on the line and samuel never did get in given all of this i dont see a lot to suggest pinch hitting nor do i see anything to suggest no pinch hitting there is of course the clutch hitting information but if thats useless then again if its not david grabiner grabiner zariski harvard edu we are sorry but the number you have dialed is imaginary please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again disclaimer i speak for no one and no one speaks for me mark singer mss netcom com baseball re best first basemen sean garrison writes in article 1993apr20 102857 1 tesla njit edu drm6640 tesla njit edu wrote don mattingly is the best first baseman in the history of baseball always has been always will be actually keith hernandez is the best sean behind the bag vin scully ill go with mark grace and in 2 years frank thomas chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area baseball re pleasant yankee surprises in article 120399 netnews upenn edu sepinwal mail sas upenn edu alan sepinwall writes some pleasant and then some not so pleasant surprises about the 1993 edition of the bronx bombers so far 4 wickman a friend made a comparison between wickman and jack morris they never have impressive stats but they always find some way to win although morris seems to be losing that ability i figured that wickman would be the least important part of the steve sax trade best trade since we got that ruth guy maybe winding up as a good middle reliever but i like what ive seen so far he doesnt pitch pretty but he gets the job done actually i kind of liked the abott trade we did trade the rookie of the year snow but with don mattingly at first for another 8 years why bother cars brake rotors cross drilling 312 702 8323 guns children firearm etc injury articles wanted one of our asu students needs data and or a copy or an article regarding accidents injury or death to children articles which state the age limits of children relating to firearms for a sociology report we have a copy of the long edgar a suter m d article and but we cant find the paul blackman nra expose any articles or sections thereof which deal with comparisons over time locations age groups other reasons for accidents injury or death with percentages would be welcome please send same to our i d and node thanks in advance tom crise guns re the usual arc cco caltech edu aaron ray clements writes yes i am pro gun and yes i do disagree with this statement nuclear weapons in and of themselves are dangerous radioactive decay of plutonium and uranium as well as the tritium in the weapon tends to be somewhat dangerous to living things can you say neutron flux can you say i get more background radiation from living in denver or having an office in a limestone building than i do standing next to a power reactor at full power or standing next to a nuclear warhead that is armed look up shielding in your dictionary you dont need six feet of lead to make decent shielding your dead skin cell layer does an excellent job on alpha particles and neutrons are slowed by mere water what do you think 75 of you is plus these things have no self defense purposes its kinda hard to justify their use as a militia weapon when at best they are meant for battlefield use low yield weapons or at worst for industrial target obliteration translation cities and population centers if the militia has as its job the overthrow of an illegal government they are indeed useful weapons to the militia they wont be too useful in certain areas but leveling the pentagon would be a good thing for said overthrow and its likely one man carrying a backpack would stand a better chance than one thousand armed with colt peacemakers dont let self defense become the only reason you can have a gun and your sole means of justification myself i wont overthrow my government until it ceases to be my legal government but if i need to i want every weapon i can get one can just as easily say no rifle larger than a 22 is needed to kill a human being they are right when that human being is wearing armor and riding in an apc things get a bit different i dont see where the weapon is a problem its not only the manner of use is in contention here not to mention that for it to be used as a militia weapon and expect the user to live requires some sort of launch vehicle i guess you either dont have an alarm clock or have never heard the terms timer or martyr either dont forget remote detonation devices that cb radio in the pickup next to you can easily transmit ten miles in decent weather thats out of the blast radius of many portable nuclear devices just what is it about radioactive decay that has you worried dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them windows re challenge to microsoft supporters has ms innovated anything really when you come down to it who cares i just hope ms keeps doing what they do best getting usable productive software to the masses lets see what ms products dont have major bugs in them oh but the fifth release the bugs are generally cleared up even if their customers must buy new releases from them that are little more than bug fixes anyone who buys a 2500 computer system and then runs ms windows on it is in desperate need of sympathy oh wait ms innovated the plastic housing on the ms mouse didnt they logitech inside personally ill be blasphemous and say that if microsoft keeps doing what it does so well i hope to see much harsher stricter copyright and patent laws for computer algorithms concepts interfaces and other intellectual properties to protect real innovators id hate to be one who actually does innovate and then have microsoft come in like a huge vulture and use their brute mass development staff marketing etc to get fat off of my innovation i dont have all that much sympathy for apples complaint against microsoft since they just took the ideas from xeroxs pa research center when the federal government forced xerox to disclose their patents over antitrust fears however for other companies and individuals who have a great idea yet get it borrowed by larger corporations who can afford to quickly bring it to market without any licensing from the original innovator i feel much sympathy larry larry weeks those who fight monsters should make sure that dev ecn purdue edu in the process he does not become a monster and when you look long into an abyss the abyss also looks into you friedrich nietszche you cant even really call it secondary creativity when a company gathers together a bunch of knock off packages and peddles them to neophytes if ms does anything it appears someone has to do it first it appears that ms is finding out that throwing money at technological problems is by no means a guaranteed solution kenton cmu edu os 2 fixes broken windows windows boot up sometimes fails sometimes when i boot up windows 3 1 after the windows logo comes up it han gs i am using dos 6 and doublespace and a 5 meg temp swap file on an uncompressed drive but when i press the reset button on the computer windows boots up fine why is this is it dos 6 matthew gillard blessed are they who run around computer systems engineering in circles for they shall be la trobe university known as wheels medicine re food related seizures in article 116305 bu edu dozonoff bu edu david ozonoff writes path news larc nasa gov darwin sura net zaphod mps ohio state edu uwm edu linac att bu edu dozonoff from dozonoff bu edu david ozonoff newsgroups sci med date 21 apr 93 16 18 19 gmt references paulson 93apr19081647 cmb00 larc nasa gov sender news bu edu lines 22 x newsreader tin 1 1 pl5 sharon paulson paulson tab00 larc nasa gov wrote much deleted the fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made by kellogs makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to something in the coating or the cereals of the four of us in our immediate family kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever running nose itchy eyes etc but we have a lot of allergies in our family history including some weird food allergies nuts mushrooms many of these cereals are corn based after your post i looked in the literature and located two articles that implicated corn contains tryptophan and seizures the idea is that corn in the diet might potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder not cause it check to see if the two kellog cereals are corn based id be interested david ozonoff md mph boston university school of public health dozonoff med itvax1 bu edu 80 east concord st t3c 617 638 4620 boston ma 02118 a couple of folks have suggested the corn connection in the five month period between the two seizures my daughter had eaten a fair amount of kix and berry berry kix in the mornings and never had a problem i checked the labels and the first ingredient is corn she has also never had a problem eating corn or corn on the cob but of course that is usually later in the day with a full stomach so the absorption would not be so high i do believe that frost flakes have corn in them but i will have to check the fruit loops but the fact that she has eaten this other corny cereal in the morning makes me wonder thanks for checking into this all information at this point is valuable to me sharon sharon paulson s s paulson larc nasa gov nasa langley research center bldg 1192d mailstop 156 work 804 864 2241 hampton virginia 23681 home 804 596 2362 cars re top 10 reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired chints iscs nus sg writes here are another ten reasons why we should all love cr 10 car salesmen love their new car buying service 7 car salesmen rec auto readers turned into expert statistics critics 5 lucky owners of cr unreliable cars who say mine never had a problem 4 those same owners joining the sceptics a few months later 3 and later subscribing to cr and taking it soooo seriously 2 and later on buying a cr idealized family sedan and my number 1 1 the spectacle of the religious fervour of the cr true believers tom haapanen tomh metrics com software metrics inc waterloo ont stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth now pull up thats how the corrado makes you feel car january 93 religion re lds are the mormons the true church in article c5rr9m lj7 acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu robert weiss writes from psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu robert weiss subject lds are the mormons the true church date 20 apr 93 06 29 00 gmt is the mormon church christs true church lots of stuff about intellectual errors deleted this is cute but i see no statement telling me why your church is the true church i do presume that you know or at least believe that yours is true attempting to ream my faith without replacing it with something better is a real good way to loose a person completely from christ this is the greatest reason i see that these attacks are not motivated by love they only seek to destroy there is no building or replacing of belief this is not something christ did he guided and instructed he didnt seek to destroy the faith he found he redirected it this is what i see when people say they love insert favorite group here and i have to laugh at the irony please excuse the scarcasm but it was nice to say it oh btw robert dont take this personally your post was merely convinent windows more cool bmp files in article 1993apr17 023017 17301 gmuvax2 gmu edu rwang gmuvax2 gmu edu writes hi everybody i guess my subject has said it all it is getting boring looking at those same old bmp files that came with windows so i am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file i can share or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for some bmp files like some scenery files some animals files etc i used to have some unfortunately i delete them all i downloaded the compuserve gif of the month a raytraced image of a golf ball next to a hole very nice 640x480x256 bitmap easily converted to a windows bmp if anyone wants i could upload a copy on cica eric eric trepanier internet eric tgm cam org ci 71042 3207 55 grenon o laval quebec h7n 5m3 everybody has a right to believe in something canada 514 663 6929 i believe ill have another beer guns re armed citizen april 93 iftccu talk politics guns kendall lds loral com colin kendall 6842 9 23 am apr 13 1993 in article 1993apr5 164728 10847 dazixco ingr com crphilli hound dazixca ingr com writes the armed citizen mere presence of a firearm without a shot being fired prevents crime in many instances as shown by news reports sent to the armed citizen perhaps so but note that of the accounts cited there was only one in which no shot was fired of the other twelve five described cases in which the assailant was wounded by a shot and six described cases in which the assailant was killed by a shot follow more than one months posting as more than one reader has noted there is some reporting bias here i have seen months where these numbers were reversed i dont keep a constant tally but it seems this particular issue had more shots fired than any other i can remember rick cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in 24485 drutx att com klf druwa att com franklinkl writes in article c5hhgm 1rm constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article 1993apr13 215605 26252 slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com dan day writes in article 1q4466innb85 ctron news ctron com smith ctron com writes its a big aftermarket business almost no cars come from the factory with vynal any more and any fake convertible job definitely came from some aftermarket place what amazes me is how much people are willing to pay for bad taste how about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the trunk or side or both sides of some tacky luxury cars some of em arent fake if youre talking about the continental kit named after the lincoln continental the first car to sport one i personally would love to have a 56 t bird with a continental kit and the supercharged v 8 that is one of the most beautiful cars ever built imho james the continental may have been the first modern era auto to mount the spare on the rear of the car but it was hardly the first car to sport one various mounting techniques for rear mounting the spare were quite common in early automobiles both us and foreign right in the thirties both buick and packard had two spares mounted in wells in the front fenders of course that was back when the front fenders were long enough to provide room there were a couple of other marques that did this as well but memory fades ken franklin they say theres a heaven for people who wait ama and some say its better but i say it aint gwrra id rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints dod 0126 the sinners are lots more fun yknow only the good die young baseball ryno correction i made a mistake on the posted article been fighting food poisoning for last 24 hours the second paragraph should state the following doctors cleared sandberg to swing a padded bat at a ball on a tee and to catch a ball in his gloved hand sorry for the error didnt know it until after posting jeffery guns re the cold war who really won in article 1993apr20 220335 9235 linus mitre org glover tafs2 mitre org graham k glover writes if one reasons that the united states of america at one time represented and protected freedom individual liberty and personal responsibility and i do in fact think that this is true and that totalitarianism absolute government control and tyranny represents freedoms opposite which it does did the usa really win the cold war of course not the usas only hope is for yelsen how ever you spell it to fail the referendum and have the hard liners take over again standard disclaimers always apply graham k glover unmutual jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 guns re govs florio wilder hit airwaves in support of brady bill in article 1993apr1 015043 5662 r node hub org ndallen r node hub org nigel allen writes here is a press release from handgun control inc it is ironic that jim and i are observing this march 30 in a country that finds americas level of gun violence not only unacceptable but unbelievable said mrs brady chair of handgun control inc so where was she and would she consider staying there cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition sasghm theseus unx sas com gary merrill writes ted marvin dgbt doc ca ted grusec writes gary by extra scientific i did not mean to imply that hypothesis generation was not in most cases extremely closely tied to the state of knowledge within a scientific area i meant was that there was no scientific logic involved in the process it is inductive not deductive i am further puzzled by the proposed distinction between scientific logic and inductive logic at this point i dont have a clue what you mean by extra scientific unless you mean that at some times someone seems to come up with an idea that we cant trace to prior theories concepts knowledge etc this is a fairly common observation but just for grins id like to see some genuine examples ok just for grins kekule hypothesized a resonant structure for the aromatic benzene ring after waking from a dream in which a snake was swallowing his tail archimedes formalized the principle of buoyancy while meditating in his bath in neither case was there no connection to prior theories concepts etc as you stipulated above what there was was an intuitive leap beyond the current way of thinking to develop ideas which subsequently proved to have predictive power e g they stood the test of experimental verification pardon my kibbutzing tom baseball re braves update and then cosper seq uncwil edu kit cosper quoth a comment made by one of the braves announcers attributed to an anonymous player after friday nights game im sorry we didnt tie it up i wanted to see some more umpiring just about sums it up sure like ron gant wasnt completely out of line if i were hirschbeck i would have ejected in order ron gant every single last brave who came onto the field and possibly bobby cox depending on the language he used since cox was the only brave rung up i suspect i would have thrown him out too you simply cannot show up an umpire like ron gant did it is disrespectful of not only the home plate umpire but of the dignity of the game jason lee jplee oboe calpoly edu jlee cash busfac calpoly edu giants e i pi 1 0 the most beautiful equation in mathematics magic for all sad words of tongue and pen the saddest are these number it might have been john greenleaf whittier 150 windows re telnet terminal for windows in article 1993apr30 211839 21296 leland stanford edu kocks chemistry stanford edu peter kocks writes im looking for a good terminal program that will connect to tcp ip using windows some basic ms window that is connect to a unix host would be great any suggestions take a look at winqvt net the latest version is qvt net 3 4 it comes in versions that are direct to packet driver as well as a pc nfs version it is priced quite low registration 40 student registration 20 and is a nice package comes complete with vt220 terminal emulation ftp pop3 client lpr and nntp client you can ftp it from biochemistry bioc cwru edu pub qvtnet qvtnet34 zip it was also uploaded to ftp cica indiana edu recently ashok ashok aiyar mail ashok biochemistry cwru edu department of biochemistry tel 216 368 3300 cwru school of medicine cleveland ohio fax 216 368 4544 medicine altitude adjustment i live at sea level and am called upon to travel to high altitude cities quite frequently on business the cities in question are at 7000 to 9000 feet of altitude one of them especially is very polluted often i feel faint the first two or three days i feel lightheaded and my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea level also it is very dry in these cities so i will tend to drink a lot of water and keep away from dehydrating drinks such as those containing caffeine or alcohol thing is i still have symptoms how can i ensure that my short trips there no i dont usually have a week to acclimatize are as comfortable as possible is there something else that i could do a long time ago possibly two years ago there was a discussion here about altitude adjustment has anyone saved the messages many thanks vida cars re basics about maintenance in article 1993apr5 175719 7892 telxon mis telxon com joes telxon mis telxon com joe staudt writes in article 1piip4 bo6 agate berkeley edu hubertc whistle cs berkeley edu hung hsien hubert chang writes hi being new to a car owner i would pretty much like to know more about some basics of maintaining the cars i know the following 1 oil has to be changed every 3000 miles change the oil filter too 2 check tires before going on the high way and fill up the tank make that monthly or more often if you know one or more of your tires has a slow leak if the tire has a leak you should fix it what others thank you 4 check all fluids regularly every month check the oil every time you fill up with gas doesnt work too well if the engine is hot its more accurate to check the oil when the engine is cool i e not when you are at a gas station craig medicine eumemics was eugenics probably within 50 years a new type of eugenics will be possible maybe even sooner we are now mapping the human genome we will then start to work on manipulation of that genome using genetic engineering we will be able to insert whatever genes we want no breeding no hybrids etc the ethical question is should we do this should we make a race of disease free long lived arnold schwartzenegger muscled supermen even if we can probably within 50 years it will be possible to disassemble and re assemble our bodies at the molecular level not only will flawless cosmetic surgery be possible but flawless cosmetic psychosurgery what will it be like to store all the prices of shelf priced bar coded goods in your head and catch all the errors they make in the stores favor at safeway what will it be like to mentally edit and spell check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling vacation time share options indeed we are today a nation at risk the threat is not from bad genes but bad memes memes are the basic units of culture as opposed to genes which are the units of genetics we stand on the brink of new meme amplification technologies harmful memes which formerly were restricted in their destructive power will run rampant over the countryside laying waste to the real benefits that future technology has to offer for example jeremy rifkin has been busy trying to whip up emotions against the new genetically engineered tomatoes under development at calgene this guy is inventing harmful memes a virtual memetic typhoid mary we must expand the public health laws to include quarantine of people with harmful memes they should not be allowed to infect other people with their memes against genetically engineered food electromagnetic fields and the space shuttle solid rocket boosters windows for sale harvard graphics for windows for sale brand new shrinkwrapped harvard graphics for windows list price 500 cheapest pince in computer shopper mail order 315 my price 250 this is really a slick package but i won it in a bike race so i cant return it for credit my dilemma is your fire sale peter tapscott xerox palo alto research center internet tapscott adoc xerox com xns net tapscott parc xerox 415 813 6885 baseball re and americas team is but why in article 1993apr20 182807 18366 bsu ucs 00cgbabbitt leo bsuvc bsu edu writes you are absolutely correct braves fans are nothing but a bunch of bandwagoners correct me if i am wrong but 4 or 5 years ago you couldnt give away a ticket to see the braves play i would bet my next paycheck that 80 of the so called braves fans living outside of georgia at the present time can not name more than 3 players from their 1988 season john smoltz tom glavine german jiminez dale murphy bruce sutter pete smith rick mahler jim acker jim break on through morrison ron gant andres thomas gerald perry ozzie the aeneid virgil lonnie smith jerry royster howm i doing so far note i am not a braves fun n on the other hand ask any cubs fan living anywhere in the united states to name 3 players from any given year and 80 of them probably could on the other hand ii like the braves much more than the cubs and all i can name is ron santo ernie banks and don kessinger from 1969 my favorite cubbie season granted the fact that a team wins brings people to the ball park but that does not mean they diserve the title americas team the only reason they are considered americas team is because of ted turner and his little tv station which broadcasts across the nation right ive watched enough braves games to know a great deal of their players i like many of their players the only cubs games i get to see while living in new york are those against the mets and they put me to sleep because face it watching guys like rick sutcliffe and luis salazar doesnt put me at the edge of my chair u ill consider toronto americas team before the braves actually i notice a lot of anti toronto sentiment here in the states partly because of some of that post series arrogance thanks in part to upside down flag dork posts partly because roberto alomar is about as exciting as swiss cheese and partly because living in baltimore during the winters ive become so fond of os fans especially those who call in to rex barneys radio show that i have to side against their most hated rivals go reds sorry but mets is spelled with an m and a t jason a miller some doctor guy frank banananna 1 win r guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article 1r2d2rinna7e hp col col hp com dduff col hp com dave duff says nut case panics realizes hes made a complete fool of himself in front of thousands of netters backs away from earlier rash statements god have mercy on him i love a clown even a school yard one cars re necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership in article 1993apr6 131018 12873 acd4 acd com jwg sedv1 acd com jim grey writes in article 1993apr2 174850 6289 cbnewsl cb att com prm cbnewsl cb att com paul r mount writes in your experience how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning will do much more good than just using detergent gas while i a fuel injector cleaning at the dealer is probably little more than them opening your gas tank dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner and sending you on your merry way 59 poorer go to kmart and buy the cleaner yourself for 1 29 this should not be the case if they are at all reputable fuel injector cleaning is done properly with a can of injector cleaner solvent which is hooked up to the fuel system under high pressure the car is actually run on the solvent during the cleaning process the equipment to properly do this is pricey and generally not something the average home mechanic has the solvent itself is not very expensive 5 8 and you could probably make up a hose to fit your system and do it yourself but i didnt tell you that not many in tank cleaners are worth wasting your money on there has been a discussion of these products on here from time to time and chevron techron not pro gard with techron is generally regarded as the best it is however a bit more than 1 29 a bottle imho it will not substitute for proper injector cleaning if they are really crudded up youll have to decide if the 59 price is a better deal than spending your time and or buying equipment to do it scott keller 1 314 537 6317 the agricultural group of monsanto company sekell bb1t monsanto com ka0wch packet ka0wch k0pfx mo usa na windows re procomm plus for windows problems kentiler matt ksu ksu edu kent p iler writes hi i have normal procomm plus for dos but ive been considering buying the windows version it got really great reviews in computer shopper i have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here using it but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the modem he has a 14 400 modem on a 486 50 mhz machine i cant see it having trouble keeping up his pcplus for dos works great but the windows just seems to always screw up is this common and is there a fix or is something just screwed with his machine kent i have no trouble running procomm for windows at 14 4 v 42 on a considerably slower 486sx could be a video problem but only if he has incredibly slow video cars states that charges sales tax after trade in which western states have laws that charge sales tax on the difference between a new cars price and the trade ins value i know california charges you on the full value of the new vehicle regardless of trade in if you are a california resident is it legal to buy a car in a state other than california without also paying california sales tax how does california enforce any law that requires you to also pay california sales tax on top of the out of state tax will estes internet westes netcom com windows driver for panasonic kx p4430 greetings i am looking pro a win 3 1 printer driver for the panasonic laser printer kx p4430 i am not sure about the order of the first letters in the name but the numbers are right and they are important i have found drivers for panasonic printers 4450 and so on but i think there should be drivers available where the 4430 model is included grateful for any help kjell hut fi kjell niksula hut fi kjell vipunen hut fi medicine re persistent vs chronic in article 10587 blue cis pitt edu kxgst1 pitt edu kenneth gilbert writes seriously though i wonder how someone with cph would end up getting a biopsy in the first place my understanding and feel free to correct me is that the enzymes are at worst mildly elevated with overall normal hepatic function i would think that the only clue might be a history of prior hepb infection and a positive hepb sag or is it indeed on a continuum with cah and the distinction merely one of pathology and prognosis but otherwise identical clinical features chronic persistent hepatitis is usually diagnosed when someone does a liver biopsy on a patient that has persistently elevated serum transaminases months after a bout of acute viral hepatitis or when someone is found to have persistently elevated transaminases on routine screening tests the degree of elevation in the serum transaminases can be trivial or as much as ten times normal other blood chemistries are usually normal as a rule patients with cph have no clinical signs of liver disease chronic active hepatitis can also be asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic at least initially and thats why its important to tell them apart by means of a biopsy the patient with cph only needs to be reassured the patient with cah needs to be treated howard doyle doyle pitt edu cars re 5w30 10w40 or 20w50 in article jgladu 060493121851 128 249 27 63 jgladu bcm tmc edu grungy john f gladu writes in article 1993apr6 130550 13550 cs tulane edu finnegan invader navo navy mil kenneth finnegan wrote as an additional data point i have run castrol 20w50 exclusively in the following cars 75 rabbit 78 scirocco 76 rabbit 78 bus 70 beetle 76 bus 86 jetta gli ive never had an oil related problem add mine to that list 71 72 superbeetles 68 69 bugs 61 dddpanel cringe 87 toyota tercel its my wifes car honest im still chicken about running it in the 90 vanagon thats got castrol 10w40 in it i dont understand this last statement about the 90vanagon our 90vanagon owners manual recommends 20w50 ari ollikainen former vw fanatic 62bug 62bug porschepower 64 5porsche356sc 68bugauto stick 69camper 71camper 73westfalia 73vwporsche914 2 0 81westfalia 85vanagon 85westfalia and now only 90vanagoncarat windows re gui application frameworks for windows in 1993apr12 154418 14463 cimlinc uucp bharper cimlinc uucp brett harper writes hello im investigating the purchase of an object oriented application framework i have come across a few that look good zapp 1 1 from inmark zinc 3 5 from zinc software c views from liant win from blaise some considerations im using being new to windows programming im from the unix x world the quality and intuitivness of the abstraction that these class libraries provide is very important however since im not adverse to learning the internals of windows programming the new programming methodology should be closely aligned with the native one i dont believe arbitrary levels of abstraction just for the sake of changing the api are valuable the microsoft founation classes afx that come with c c 7 0 and visual c are very good they already have a version for nt it comes with source code and is very close to the navtive api it also as some classes to manage data structures stefan stefan olson mail stefan olson acme gen nz kindness in giving creates love windows please do not post bitmaps from pwiseman salmon usd edu cliff organization university of south dakota subject roman bmp 01 14in response to the requests for cool bitmaps i am posting one date 04 27 03 50 pm due to the resolution and size it is in 14 parts this is a uuencoded bitmap 960x600 256 colors the picture is a marbled gazebo on a desert with blue sky background the size is just right for centered wallpaper on a 1024x768 display because it leaves a border at the bottom just big enough for icons to fit in without being on top of the picture reguarding image quality and resolution i have not seen much better please do not do this i dont know how the rest of you read news but heres how i do it i subscribe to an outernet system which allows me to dial up via modem and download e mail and news articles automatically when someone posts a huge attached binary file i have no choice but to receive it along with all the other new articles in the groups i subscribe to i also pay for the connect time which is normally not a problem because i have a 14 4k modem and each days upload download session takes only 5 minutes or so todays session however lasted about 25 minutes because of roman bmp consequently it cost me about 3 00 extra just to receive a file that i didnt want in the first place if you have cool bitmaps that you want to make available there are other ways to do it either upload the file to an ftp site like ftp cica indiana edu which has a complete windows section and tell people how to get to it or use one of the newsgroups like alt binaries pictures or something like that which are file archives rather than discussion groups dont use discussion groups like this one to send out attached files especially when theyre 600k in size thanks ed klein eklein spiff win net cars re mr2 noisy engine in article 1993apr21 204521 21182 ultb isc rit edu adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu writes the sound he describes is common to any older toyota engine i ever heard i dont know the relevance of his observations about oil changes my simply makes noise not all that annoying mind you but you hear it well when the engine is right behind your left ear i think those with 1 6 mr2s would describe the engine as sweet if a little loud those with 2 2 mr2s i cant imagine any unbiased person paying it any compliments sounded like my ex dormmates rusty chevy chevette with the 1 6 i would want to redline it just for the music with the 2 2 i would short shift so that it would shut up the new camry 2 2 features balance shafts i guess since the mr2 is getting the axe it is too late for them to do anything about this it is no mystery that the turbo mr2 is only 2 liters the engineers had enough integrity to prevent any further abuses also in europe the mr2 mk2 non turbo was also only 2 liters as usual the undiscriminating american market if it is japanese it must be good gets the dogs to be fair we also got the turbo which the europeans did not eliot religion 16 apr 93 gods promise in psalm 32 8 i will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go i will guide thee with mine eye psalm 32 8 medicine poisoning with heavy water was re too many mris in article 1993apr19 043654 13068 informix com proberts informix com paul roberts writes in article 1993apr12 165410 4206 kestrel edu king reasoning com dick king writes i recall reading somewhere during my youth in some science popularization book that whyle isotope changes dont normally affect chemistry a consumption of only heavy water would be fatal and that seeds watered only with heavy water do not sprout does anyone know about this i also heard this i always thought it might make a good eposide of columbo for someone to be poisoned with heavy water it wouldnt show up in any chemical test no one else seems to know so ill post this this topic came up on sci physics fusion shortly after the cold fusion flap started as i recall its been done to some experimental mice they showed various ill effects and eventually died the reason is that deuterium does not have exactly the same reaction rates as hydrogen due to its extra mass which causes lower velocity boltzman constant mumble this throws various bits of body biochemistry out of kilter and you get sick and die ive never heard of anyone being poisened this way in or out of real life the process takes quite a while if anyone wants to write this book i would imagine you would have to 1 replace a significant fraction of the water in the body with heavy water 2 wait while normal breakdown and repair processes cause other molecules in the body to be synthesised using the deuterium during this process the victim would gradually deteriorate and eventually die but i imagine it would take weeks during which the poisoner would have to ensure that a significant proportion of the water the victim ingested was heavy you would get such a mess of symptoms that the doctors would be both alarmed and confused why should every organ in the body suddenly begin to deteriorate if you can figure out how the poisoner gets the heavy water into the victim in a hospital then you could have a real story here come to think of it 2 would continue even after the heavy water was no longer being ingested so hospitalisation might be too late the most detectable effect would be that the victims body fluids would literally be heavy water has a molecular weight of 18 and heavy water has a mw of 20 thus the victims weight will increase by about 1 for every 10 of body water replaced by heavy water maybe the detection occurs because some pathologist in the lab notices that the victims urine is strangely dense is there any medical test involving the specific gravity of a body fluid paul paul johnson paj gec mrc co uk tel 44 245 73331 ext 3245 these ideas and others like them can be had gec marconi research is not for 0 02 each from any reputable idealist responsible for my opinions windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article sundaram 737186206 msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu wrote jenk microsoft com jen kilmer writes much bs deleted for brevity again my point was that not all microsofties are here to sell readers on our products which would conflict with the no ads philosophy of usenet nor do we necessarily have access to info that others have it certainly smacks of that remember the poll that you quoted saying that you had seen a 95 of users being satisfied with dos 6 0 care to recall how unbiased the sample set was that post sure looked like fud and coming from a microsoftie well it sure seemed like something was not on level it came from a reseller survey advocacy is good but spreading fud to advocate your favorite os is very unethical especially when you have a vested interest in the success of that os i dont recall any fud here maybe an example i also get tired of people assuming that microsofties are like members of the borg that is because their actions seem to invite this opinion never seen more defensive people in my life moreover many of their posts seem to encourage this too imho for the most part this newsgroup is attack oriented microsoft has been attacked on anything ranging from the quality of our products the intelligence of our people the integrity of our business etc anyone would get defensive when being baselessly attacked we are human beings as well you should expect a response when a claim that an employee might feel is unwarranted is leveled seriously speaking it is a shame that ms techie employees get the heat for mss actions most of which are perpetrated by the management and marketing i am sure that they are very talented etc i have not doubts about their abilities just about the ethics of their marketing practices divya divya live long and then die a slow and horrible death what confucius wanted to say cars re is car saftey important in article conradie 49 735390036 firga sun ac za conradie firga sun ac za gerrit conradie writes much discussion about economics of safety deleted safety is an important criterium for me when buying a car i wont buy a small car like a civic or whatever great safety handling speed for me seems to me that you would be more dead in a small car than a large car after an accident this is a very simplistic view of safety assuming that you are in a collision less likely with a more agile smaller car then the important factor is how well does the car sacrifice itself to save you this is why a thousand pound f1 car can hit a wall at 200 and the driver walks out and why everybody dies when a suburban hits a wall at 35 as i recall for the last generation suburban hic numbers as an aside just what is the point of an airbag it seems to me that seatbelts with pretensioners audi et al or a good tight 5 point belt will prevent you every moving far enough to hit the airbag you might be saved from some flyign glass or is an airbag just a lowest common denominator safety device that is of some use in a head on collision when you are wearing no seat belt craig gerrit baseball re jack morris maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes we have no way of knowing because we cannot separate morris contribu tion from the rest of the teams there is only one way of determin ing best in baseball and that is by looking at the scoreboard at the end of the game each game determines which team is the best that day at the end of the season the team that was the best the most often is the best in the division the playoffs determine the best of the best but the point is that the only decision making pro cess used to determine the best is the score of the game and it re lates to the teams not the individual players there is no method inherent in baseball of comparing individual performances and that is how it should be because after all baseball is a team game and you know what there is no such method inherent in real life either so i would assume you would endorse the notion that we cannot state with any level of objectivity that mother theresa has accomplished more good in this world than joseph stalin after all life on earth is a team effort if you want to select a group of statistics and claim that clemens has done better with those statistics as a criteria then fine but you have to be able to prove that those statistics measure the individuals contribution to winning the ws because that is the only measure of best that has any meaning in the context of base ball so until you can prove that clemens contributes to a ws cham pionship more than morris your evaluation of clemens is totally sub jective and is mere opinion i have yet to see that any of you can predict a ws winner with any greater accuracy than jeanne dixon have you tried glasses i find them quite useful after all there must be some reason you choose to ignore the mounds of evidence we present its too bad you feel it necessary to close your mind and eyes to knowledge you live a poorer life as a result of that choice heck id wager that you could predict a ws winner with greater accuracy than jeanne dixon and you know why because i have full confidence that despite your protestations to the contrary you are quite capable of using the knowledge we can come up with through statistical methods to boost your knowledge level you dont have to be rude have you tried calling a kettle black for you to say that means that you have either missed the entire point of my argument or you yourself have committed a fallacy ignoratio elenchi i am not saying that morris is better than clemens because he has more rings although i have tongue in cheek claimed that in the past i am saying that it is impossible to isolate an individuals performance from that of his teams for the purpose of comparing that individuals performance with another individuals per formance in other words in your world you cannot objectively state that jack morris was more important to the blue jays than al leiter last year in your world that may indeed be true fortunately in the world the rest of us occupy its not i hope you never serve on a jury roger i think the rest of the jury would have to kill you theres no way i can objectively judge the defendant to be innocent or guilty you see there are 2 billion other people on this planet we have no way of knowing whether the defendant would have committed the crime if it wasnt for all the other people on the planet we have no way of knowing how the defendant would have acted had he been on a different planet because living on this planet is a team effort and no individual committs a crime totally isolated from his society he is a part of that society that being case anything i have to say on his culpability would be absolute subjectivity so i refuse to vote greg cars re mercury villager minivan good buy the villager quest seem like the best of the cravan voyager copies to come along since the mazda mpv ill agree about villager but not mpv its so small that id class it as a suv with an extra seat shoehorned in to get any rear cargo space you shove the back seat up against the middle seat eliminating all leg room back to the villager only the price is controversial and the use of attack belts instead of 3 point belts that killed it for me andrew klossner andrew frip wv tek com medicine re organ donation and transplantation fact sheet in article 1993apr13 150018 641 lmpsbbs comm mot com dougb ecs comm mot com writes my wife cannot donate blood because she has been to a malarial region in the past three years in fact she tried to have her bone marrow typed and they wouldnt even do that why the fda i believe rules say no blood or blood products donations from anyone who has been in a malarial area for 3 years i was a platelet donor until my thailand trip and my blood bank was very disappointed to find out they couldnt use me for 3 years when the secretary of state asked me if i wanted to donate my organs i said no because i figured that no one would want them given my history was i correct not necessarily the same rules may not apply to organ donation as to blood donation in fact im sure they dont gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars re spark plug question in article mgolden 733994052 cwis mgolden cwis unomaha edu brian golden writes the nice thing about real platinum plugs is that you dont have to change them very often at all i think like 50 000 miles they might cost 10 each but they would save for themselves in the long run my t bird scs manual says to replace the platinum plugs every 60 000mi wal mart has autolite platinum plugs for 2 00 each are these real platinum plugs i had bosch platinums in my 80 fiesta and my dad had em in his 84 bronco note the keyword had they didnt last very long much less than 50 000mi before they had to be replaced i agree that they werent the greatest james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven windows monoumb 386 does anyone know where the program monoumb 386 is available i have checked my windows system disks and monoumb2 386 is there but not the other one thanks stan kucera skucera prstorm bison mb ca stan kucera cars re chryslers compact lh sedans cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu carolinafan uiuc writes shoppa almach caltech edu tim shoppa writes i thought that the v 10 was originally designed for a truck not necessarily a pickup and then just sort of dropped into the vipers frame because it fit and was available a friend of mine and i saw and heard a viper and my friends first response was that it sounded like a truck it sounded fine to me but then again i dont like the whiny noise that most modern sports car engines make btw the viper we saw was moving at about 10mph just like all of the other cars on the 10 freeway heading east out of la on a friday afternoon looked really nice though actually i was under the impression that the v 10 in the viper was not the v 10 that dodge was developing for its new kenworths i have always thought it was the exhaust system and not the engine that produced the noise of a car well yes the exhaust is where the majority of the noise comes out but the basics tone firing cadence etc are determined by the engine configuration in the case of the viper yes we are discussing a huge multicylinder 90 deg engine which will sound somewhat like a truck and my understanding btw is that that v 10 engine was designed originally with the intention of being ad aptible for either the trucks or the viper and from what ive heard no first hand knowledge its doing a pretty good job at both and the best exhaust sound in the world is now and will always be a 60 degree dohc colombo designed v 12 period michael t chaffee mchaffee ux4 cso uiuc edu email mchaffee sumter cso uiuc edu nextmail sig under construction excuse cars re v4 engines in article 1993apr23 183318 4635 ll mit edu singer ll mit edu matthew r singer writes didnt the saab sonnett have a v4 i recall someone telling that it was something like 1 2 of a ford 289 not only the sonett correct spelling but the 95 wagon and 96 sedan used a 1500 cc or 1700 cc v 4 from ford of germany this particular motor had a 60 degree vee angle a balance shaft and siamesed exhaust ports this motor was later stretched into the v 6 commonly seen in the capri the v 4 could make pretty reasonable power for its size but in the saab it made too much torque for the transmission which had been designed for a 3 cylinder 2 stroke chuck fry former sonett iii owner chuck fry chucko freud arc nasa gov this space for rent i alone bear responsibility for the claptrap above medicine re discussions on alt psychoactives in article 1r4bhsinnhaf hp col col hp com billc col hp com bill claussen writes this group was originally a takeoff from sci med the reason for the formation of this group was to discuss prescription psychoactive drugs such as oh well obviously no one really cares then let me ask you for a workable solution we have a name here that implies certain things to many people rather than trying to educate each and every person that comes to the group is there some name that would imply what this group was originally intended for my dad was a lawyer as such i grew up with being a stickler for meaning in my reality psychoactives technically could range from caffeine to datura to the drugs you mention to more standard recreational drugs in practice i had hoped to see it limited to those that were above some psychoactive level like some of the drugs you mention but also possibly including some recreational drugs but with conversation limited to their psychoactive effects the recent query about bong water i thought was a bit off topic so i just hit k but back to the original question what is a workable solution what is a workable name that would imply the topic you with to discuss it sounds like there should be a alt smartdrugs or something similar i dont feel psychoactives would generally be used to describe alot of those drugs there is a big difference between a drug that if taken in certain doses over a period of days may have a psychoactive effect in some people vs many of the drugs in pihkah which are psychoactive wm if pro choice means choice after conception does this apply to men too guns re blast them next time and we thought the unfortunate people in the branch dividians were brainwashed they dont hold a candle to this guy d d wq b daniel oldham oldham ces cwru edu wrote what happened in waco is not the fault of the batf if they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened the batf needs more people better weapons and more armored transports when they meet hostile fire they should be able to use more force instead of retreating to a stand off if you are going to do a job then do it right the batf is there to protect us and they must have the proper equipment and people to do the job with the wod and the increased crime in the streets the batf is needed more now then ever if they blast away a few good fokes then that is the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country look at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country of ours with the arms build up in waco they needed to hit that compound with mega fire power they could of gone in there blasting and killed a few women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn to death 51 days later guns re cnn for sale i will add my voice to the hopefully growing multitudes i hereby pledge 1000 00 towards the purchase of cnn under the same conditions as already described i will also post this idea on the other nets i can access rime and libernet we may have to organize this ourselves so i am looking for help frank ney n4zhg emt a lpva nra ila goa ccrtkba m o u s e cars 88 corolla 5spd hi there maybe you can help me i have an 88 corolla with a 5 speed as the subject line says the gearbox seems excessivly clunky i used to have an 85 corolla and it was also somewhat clunky but it had 30 000 more miles on it and it wasnt nearly as bad as this car is there fluid in the 5speed case if there is could it just be low or in need of a change as i recall only the autos have fluid or am i just mistaken please no flames for owning an import i also have an old dodge but its not in very good shape these days thanks derek medicine re can men get yeast infections a woman once told me her doctor told her that i could catch asymptomatically her yeast infection from her then give it back to her causing a relapse probably bogus but if not its another reason to use latex steve medicine re too many mris in article 1993apr19 043654 13068 informix com proberts informix com paul roberts writes in article 1993apr12 165410 4206 kestrel edu king reasoning com dick king writes i recall reading somewhere during my youth in some science popularization book that whyle isotope changes dont normally affect chemistry a consumption of only heavy water would be fatal and that seeds watered only with heavy water do not sprout does anyone know about this i also heard this i always thought it might make a good eposide of columbo for someone to be poisoned with heavy water it wouldnt show up in any chemical test that would be a very expensive toxin indeed daniel r field aka infospunj joe are you late dfield oboe calpoly edu dan no but im working on it biochemistry biotechnology california polytechnic state u medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article c60krl 59t dartvax dartmouth edu oldman coos dartmouth edu prakash das writes in article 1993apr20 173019 11903 llyene jpl nasa gov julie eddie jpl nasa gov julie kangas writes as for how foods taste if im not allergic to msg and i like the taste of it why shouldnt i use it saying i shouldnt use it is like saying i shouldnt eat spicy food because my neighbor has an ulcer julie it doesnt necessarily follow that you should use it msg or something else for that matter simply because you are not allergic to it for example you might not be allergic to animal fats and like their taste yet it doesnt follow that you should be using them regularly msg might have other bad or good i am not up on knowledge of msg effects on your body in the long run maybe thats reason enough not to use it perhaps i should quit eating mushrooms soya beans and brie cheese which all have msg in them it occurs naturally im not going to quit eating something that i like just because it might cause me trouble later or causes problems in some people i would much rather avoid stress by not worrying over what goes in my mouth and not spending every day reading conflicting reports of what is good bad for you i may eat some things in quantities that may not be good for me fine ive made my decision and i dont think its appropriate for anyone to try to convert me its for your own good are the most obnoxious and harmful words imo in the english or any other language altho your example of the ulcer is funny it isnt an appropriate comparison at all i think it is i get tired of people saying dont eat x because its bad well x may not be bad for everyone and even if it is so what give people all the information but dont ram your decisions down their throats julie disclaimer all opinions here belong to my cat and no one else baseball re autographs was will clark is a jerk in article 1993apr19 173130 5452 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article 1993apr19 144240 1088 island com fester island com mike fester writes out of curiousity why havent you pointed this same thing out to mr neiporent who seems to be making the unsubstantiated accusation against will clark as for taking the word of those two leonard has repeatedly said he had no problems with will and mitchell refused to comment mike you again prove your utter inability to read plain english it is ironic that in any post that criticizes langauge ability the critic invariably makes a mistake himself english is generally written english find somebody who is literate and have them explain my full post to you i am not saying will clark is a racist i am not saying will clark is not a racist i am saying that i do not know and you do not know i am saying that i do not care and consider it the giants concern oddly i do not see that i have contested any of that perhaps you with assuredly greater english ability can explain in tiny words that i might grasp their meaning precisely where i infer that you have said any of those things david nieporent understood my post and replied in private e mail you should perhaps take reading lessons from him no mr fisher you should place the burden of proof on the one who makes the allegation in the first place you do not perhaps you might explain why that is as for the email route mr fisher you might have tried that yourself mike medicine re altitude adjustment in article 4159 mdavcr mda ca vida mdavcr mda ca vida morkunas writes i live at sea level and am called upon to travel to high altitude cities quite frequently on business the cities in question are at 7000 to 9000 feet of altitude one of them especially is very polluted mexico city bogota la paz often i feel faint the first two or three days i feel lightheaded and my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea level also it is very dry in these cities so i will tend to drink a lot of water and keep away from dehydrating drinks such as those containing caffeine or alcohol thing is i still have symptoms how can i ensure that my short trips there no i dont usually have a week to acclimatize are as comfortable as possible is there something else that i could do an unconventional remedy that you might try for altitude sickness in the andes is chewing coca leaves or taking teas made from coca leaves you might notice that many of the natives have wads in their mouths the tea can be obtained in s american pharmacies this remedy alleviates some of the lightheadedness and dizziness but dont try to jog with it ive tried this when travelling and hiking in peru and ecuador the amount of cocaine you would ingest are too minute to cause any highs also it is a good idea to eat lightly and dress warm while adjusting to high altitudes guns thanks to poster of ny times article on atf in texas good job to whoever posted the article id been saving that nytimes edition for a while planning to ytpe it in myself but now i dont have to for all of those people who were worried about whether or not the media would even question the raid we owe it to the ny times despite their rabidly anti gun editorials for being willing to talk to these 4 batf agents case kim cars re improvements in automatic transmissions in article 1993apr21 160341 24707 westminster ac uk jkjec westminster ac uk shazad barlas writes i just wanted to know to wheelspin in an auto you keep the gear in n gas it then stick the gear in d ive never tried this but am sure it works but does this screw up the autobox were having a bit of a debate about it here ah yes the neutral slam i know that gm tested the old th400s and th350s by shifting from reverse to forward gears repeatedly while holding the engine at high rpms the units hold up incredibly well this is also the recommended technique to rock a stuck vehicle out of the mud i think the hydraulics are up to the task but the mechanicals of the driveline may object by breaking something 0 02 ericy i agree about the durability of the old th400 trannies from gm while i never intentionally slamed my 68 firebird 400 ci conv into gear i would leave the trannie in low read 1st grab hold hit the pedal and once the tires grabbed take off when i reached about 57 60mph the turbo 400 auto would shift to s read super or 2nd and leave about 10 to 15 foot of double stripped rubber on the ground most everyone i knew at the time was quite impressed with peeling out at 60 mph the trannie held up just fine motor mounts would last about a year until i tied the motor down with large chains oh yea fyi pontiac 400 ci bored 0 04 over large valve heads holley 650 spread bore crain blazer cam dont remember the specs positrac hooker headers dual exhaust get this conv leather seats power windows power top ac cruise etc oh yea i also pulled the cocktail shakers weights from the front and removed the lead pellet from the accelerator pedal damn us regulations oh how i miss that car 0 60 under 6 7 sec and about 6 to 14 mpg well i dont miss the mpg front wheels 4 off the ground with three quick jabs at the pedal bent pushrods stripped rocker studs every 6 12 months i really wonder what kind of revs i was turning no tach re improvements in automatic transmissions anyone seen one of these lately id buy it back in a sec open top brent cars waxing a new car i have just taken delivery on a new gm car firebird with a clearcoat finish i assume that it is probably urethane since the industry has moved in that direction in paints in years past it used to be recommended that owners wait up to 60 days before you wax a car for the paint to cure the dealer shop manager said this also but im not sure that he wasnt just basing it on past tradition does anyone know if this is still a recommended practice or is it better to go ahead and wax right away non abrasive new car wax with the newer finishes terry quinn germantown hills il tquinn heartland bradley edu from compuserve internet tquinn heartland bradley edu baseball re and americas team is but why kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well my guess is because america loves underdogs every year no matter the cubs talent or the predictions they never as close to never as possible win anything over the years as the losing has mounted america has fallen in love with these perennial losers the cubs have more fans in chicago then some teams do worldwide the cubs have more fans worldwide than most of the teams in their division combined an aura of excitement surrounds the cubs at the beginning of the season like no one else including the ws champs it must be that eternal hope actually i admired the spirit of the fan at the cubs opener several years ago who held up a sign that said wait till next year eric smith he threatened me if it was a president of the erics netcom com united states youd investigate whats the erics infoserv com difference im a comedian of the united states ci 70262 3610 jerry seinfeld guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in 1r1887inncsd clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com writes in article 1r0v4c i1j menudo uh edu hadcrjam admin uh edu miller jimmy a writes in 1r0poqinnc4k clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com writes according to kikk radio in houston all nine survivors are either in hos pitals or in jails including the two who allegedly helped start the fires in the fbi briefing no mention was made of having the fire starters in custody which one the one yesterday or has there been another if it was yester day catch up imo 90 of all conspiracy charges are easily explained by the simple fact that in these days of instantaneous news transmission all kinds of stuff gets said when people really just dont know what the hells going on then the story changes once the facts are in and suddenly cries of its all a whitewash start naturally everybody wants to cover his her ass why the total isolation well it wasnt total 100 isolation after the lawyer snuck in the first time they the fbi etc let him go back inside several times in cluding i think the day before the final assualt why not his mother why not the media damnfino i just tend to take issue with absolute statements that are ob viously wrong on their face and tend to inflame not inform the isolation was significant but not total semper fi jammer jim miller texas a m university 89 and 91 i dont speak for uh which is too bad because they could use the help become one with the student billing system be the student billing system power finds its way to those who take a stand stand up ordinary man rik emmet gil moore mike levine triumph cars toyota wagons has anybody noticed that toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible ugly station wagons tercels corollas camrys have their designers no aesthetic sense at all dod 650 darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion religion re ignorance is bliss was is it good that jesus died in article sandvik 180493131125 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes in article f1682ap quack kfu com pharvey quack kfu com paul harvey wrote in article sandvik 170493104859 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes ignorance is not bliss ignorance is strength help spread the truth of ignorance huh if ignorance is strength then i wont distribute this piece of information if i want to follow your advice contradiction above cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net he was quoting big brother from orwells 1984 cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article c5jnk3 jkt news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes wasnt the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver so he could see where he was backing up although reverse lights on the sides no reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up they arent bright enough to typically see by without the brake and tail lights are useful for telling whether cars are backing up out perpendicular to the path of the car i dont think warnings were their original intents since they are colored white well red and orange were already taken maybe white defines the direction that the car is moving in if you really want to be able to see behind you get some fog lamps for the back of the car these work very well and are a good way to get rid of tailgaters if you get that rush of testosterone craig chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart c 1981 quick to judge quick to anger slow to understand ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand medicine can i sell my tens unit sci med people can i sell my tens unit or does it have to be sold by a physician or other liscened person doug opdbs vm cc latech edu baseball re jack morris in c5sfve aq murdoch acc virginia edu drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu david robert walker writes we cannot isolate completely roger but we can make a pretty good estimate i wont claim to split hairs and say that we can really measure who was better robby alomar or carlos baerga last year the difference is too close to call but larkin and lee clemens and morris the differences are too great there in your measure of the game why should a team that has just won it all ever replace a single player since they are now clearly best how can they do better yet every team can always find someplace where they beleive they can improve the team they can always find a player a little better than one they already have btw by my definitions the best player is the one who does the most things to help his team win i will allow that this could vary depending on who else is on the team by having aptitudes one team needs more than others well then given your definition of best is it not conceivable that alfredo griffin could bring something to a team that that team needs to win while larkin might not have that something the team needs would griffin then be better than larkin baseball is a team game but it is made of individual talents it is absurd to judge the success or failure of an individual by the success or failure of his teammates whom he did not choose at least in most cases morris won last year because he played on a team with joe carter robby alomar tom henke juan guzman john olerud et al clemens lost because he was surrounded by such lesser performers as herm winninham luis rivera and jeff reardon to define the quality of the team as a sum of its components as i do albeit imperfectly is a lesser error than defining the quality of an individual as the mean quality of the team as my reading of your arguments suggests you do no i am not trying to define the quality of an individual at least not for the purpose of ranking them toronto won with olerud they might have won with fielder they might not have won with thomas detroit might have won with thomas chicago might have won with fielder you cant rank these individuals you can only look at who might contribute more to the team effort which is winning the ws thomas could not have contributed to that goal any more than olerud so i cannot say that olerud is less of a player cordially as always maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time cars re mr2 noisy engine in a previous article aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer says in a previous article eliot lanmola engr washington edu eliot says in article 1r1vofinn871 usenet pa dec com tomacj opco enet dec com thunderbirds are go writes nice theory too bad the mr2s never came with a four cylinder over 2 0 liters more like 1 6 or did they were the nonturbo mr2iis 2 2 or some such let me clarify i think they both are 2 0 litres i also understand that anyone using balancing shafts on four cylinders must pay saab a royalty for using their patented design like porsches 3 0 i4 i was already corrected on this and believe i may have been in errror that it is actually mistubishi apologies for butting into the thread c ya drew cars re difference between lexus 300 series from article 1993apr5 200048 23421 ucsu colorado edu by lorenzo rintintin colorado edu eric lorenzo what is the difference between the ls300 es300 and gs300 seems lexus cant stop popping out new models let me put it like this the only similarity between the three models is the 300 or 3 liter engine displacement actually the sc300 the coupe and the gs300 the funky looking new sedan share the same 3 0 liter inline six and the es300 popular small sedan uses 3 0 v6 shared with the camry the sc300 is a luxury sports coupe the gs300 is the new luxury sedan and the es300 is the base executive sedan all three look completely different aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi csd4 csd uwm edu why should i care id rather watch drying paint cars looking for low lease rate on toyota previa whats the best lease quote that anyone has seen on a toyota previa dx or dx all trac for a two year lease if you know where i can get a better rate than 330 month please contact me with the name and phone of the dealership will estes internet westes netcom com cars re impala ss going into does that mean that theyre gonna bring back the biscayne and bel air or how about the 210 george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org george guns re change of name in cmm 0 90 2 735315429 thomasp holmenkollen ifi uio no thomasp ifi uio no thomas parsli writes 1 make a new newsgroup called talk politics guns paranoid or talk politics guns theyr here to take me away 2 move all postings about waco and burn to guess where what does this censored from norway think hes doing telling us how to run the place i wanna know somebody please splain guess how norway survived the third reich give you a hint it wasnt by passive resistance the way the danes did it glenn r stone glenns eas gatech edu wearer of asbestos underoos cars re dents on car all you have to do is turn it in to the police like you would an accident get a report and send it in to your insurance company and they will contact the other guys insurance company and they will have to pay just as they would in an accident they caused thus no need to go to court a friend of mine did this and he got the money so it does work cars re lh workmanship i was following an example of the lh the other day and noticed the fit between the tunk lid and the rear bumper the gap was quite small on the left side but much larger on the right blech mark baseball re game length was re braves update in article 20apr93 15151474 vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu writes nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes however what is with this policy of trying to speed up the games you are the first person non mediot i have seen endorse this policy i have no problem with the length of games at all and am tired of the espn crowd and other announcers bitching about it i have never been in a ballpark filled with people looking at their watches and shouting hurry up if i cough up big bucks for a ticket i dont mind a game that last more than 2 10 i really dont understand it i agree with nick whats the big deal about long games if you want to watch baseball theres that much more baseball to watch and yes baseball includes the space between plays as well as the plays themselves first a longer game in no way suggests more baseball to watch unless you include watching the grass grow as baseball the lengthier games are so because of batters stepping out of the box pitchers taking longer between pitches and excessive trips to the mound by managers and pitching coaches and while its true that the gaps between plays can be interesting this is only true when they dont become extra long quickly pitched games can grab and hold your attention much better bring back the two hour baseball game and the three and a half hour golf game with it michael zimmers voice 408 996 1965 softhelp suppliers to software developers data 408 996 1974 guns re 2 were undertaxed poll kennejs a cs okstate edu kennedy james scot writes in article 1993apr16 190829 17141 cunews carleton ca akasacou alfred carleton ca alexander kasacous writes in article veal 729 734979393 utkvm1 utk edu veal utkvm1 utk edu david veal writes no what you said was that we had spent money on guns rather than people as canada does which is ridiculous once again i have over estimated the general level of intellegence of the average reader of rush limbaugh canada per capita spend more money on people where the us spend more money per capita on guns what exactly do you mean when you say the u s spends more per capita on guns than canada does are you talking about the u s government or are you talking about the purchase of guns by private citizens or both if you are referring to private citizens then your point is irrevelant because what individuals do with their money is essentially their business if on the other hand you meant that the u s government spends more per capita on guns than canada does then your point is relevant so if this is true then the u s needs to get its priorities straight people are more important than guns that is not to say that guns arent important im just saying that if the u s government does spend more per capita on guns than they do on people then something is awry he meant the us spends more per capita on guns than canada which isnt really surprising because we were so busy protecting the western world from the ussr that all other countries could slack off on their defense spending i would like to see if the us spends more per capita on people than canada does this is a true apples apples comparison where the previous post was apples oranges windows re program manager two questions actually with several sharware utilities you cn change both my fav is plug in bryan dunne cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr14 171718 18852 lmpsbbs comm mot com sheinfel ssd comm mot com aviad sheinfeld writes do you think i can use a electric drill change to a suitable bit to turn it out if i can succeed can i re tighten it not too tight is it safe without oil leak tighten the bolt to the specified torque in your service manual that way it wont leak strip break etc hopefully thank you very much in advance winson aviad you can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in place of the bolt i have one on both of my cars there have been no leaks in 210 000 miles combined miles on both cars ron deblock rdb1 homxb att com thats a number 1 in rdb1 not letter l at t bell labs somerset nj usa baseball re best first basemen in article 1993apr20 102857 1 tesla njit edu drm6640 tesla njit edu says don mattingly is the best first baseman in the history of baseball always has been always will be always has been even before he was even conceived of thats a neat trick always will be we leave a lot of room for error dont we hopefully i missed an earlier post that this was with regard to otherwise well i leave that to the individual to fill in but i will say what about gehrig shortened and not capitalized for the ease of the reader mike windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 1993may12 193927 9012 microsoft com kenk microsoft com ken kiesow writes in article sundaram 737186206 msuinfo sundaram egr msu edu wrote it certainly smacks of that remember the poll that you quoted saying that you had seen a 95 of users being satisfied with dos 6 0 care to recall how unbiased the sample set was that post sure looked like fud and coming from a microsoftie well it sure seemed like something was not on level it came from a reseller survey i had posted that it came from a survey of registered users i double checked with a friendly neighborhood marketing type and found there were actually two surveys one of randomly selected resellers one of randomly selected users from the 6 upgrade registered user database both surveys showed a 93 positive rating jen include stdisclaimer jenk microsoft com msdos testing cars re help with buick regal in article c5wykp l98 ulowell ulowell edu gvahe cs ulowell edu gerry vahe writes hhheeelllppp im going crazy i have a 1981 buick regal with over 100 000 miles on it just recently when i go over a bump of any size the rear driverss side of th e car feels like there is something hitting the floor board the noise is ampli fied when i am going around a corner when there is less weight above the tire wh en i hit a bump i had the whole brake drum off today checked under the car to see if th e muffler was hitting or something and i cant seem to find anything at all eve rything seems to be tight any ideas could it bee a shock absorber is there any way i can tell anything will help and be greatly appreciated gerry check out the shocks where they mount at both ends if you have the type that have a loop from lack of a better term and a bolt like piece sticking through there should be a rubber bushing between the loop and the bolt is it there is it crushed and allowing metal to metal contact i hope you can make some sense of this good luck baseball re mel hall warped cs montana edu writes has anyone heard anything about mel hall this season id heard he wasnt with the yankees any more what happened to him doug dolven japan i think baseball re rule book trivia 2 in article 93108 171548io20456 maine maine edu ryan robbins io20456 maine maine edu writes this weeks play it took three days to get to us but ill try anyway as i naturally havent seen the answer with runners at first and second and one out the batter hits an easy pop fly to the third baseman a the umpires declare the infield fly rule and the third baseman lets the ball drop the runner at second heads for third and the third baseman flips the ball to the short stop who tags the bag before the runner safe the correct call is infield fly batter out if fair runners may advance at own risk gotta tag up if caught etc it is not a force and the pop was not caught so regardless of whether the ss tags 3b or 2b it wasnt clear above he hasnt got the runner out b the umpires dont declare the infield fly rule and the third baseman allows the ball to drop and throws to the short stop who tags the runner from second while the runner is between second and third out see rule 6 05 l approved ruling below in this case the umpire has decided for whatever reason that the infield fly rule doesnt apply sounds like a bad call here but thats not the point the batter is not out so a force situation is created therefore the runner is out unless by rule 6 05 l the ball is dead and the batter is safe then i guess the runners would advance unmolested i cant really tell from 6 05 l that the ball is dead in this situation whats the call in a and b pertinent rules 2 00 definition of infield fly when an infield fly is called runners may advance at their own risk if on an infield fly rule the infielder intentionally drops a fair ball the ball remains in play despite the provisions of rule 6 05 l the infield fly rule takes precedence 6 05 l a batter is out when an infielder intentionally drops a fair fly ball or line drive with first first and second first and thrid or first second and third base occupied before two are out the ball is dead and the runners or runners shall return to their original base or bases approved ruling in this situation the batter is not out if the infielder permits the ball the drop untouched to the ground except when the infield fly rule applies jim dean internet jimdean bnr ca national capital baseball league mild mannered computer scientist phone president pitcher my knuckler bell northern research ottawa ont booth not too legit to hit 6 0 1 99 phone 613 763 2135 fax 763 8112 phone 613 723 1580 religion re a kind and loving god in article 1993apr21 141714 5576 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote do not think that i have come to abolish the law or the prophets i have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them i tell you the truth until i will clarify my earlier quote gods laws were originally written for the israelites jesus changed that fact by now making the law applicable to all people not just the jews gentiles could be part of the kingdom of heaven through the saving grace of god i never said that the law was made obsolete by jesus it wasnt jesus who changed the rules of the game see quote above it was paul cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net guns re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm 0 90 2 735132009 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes abuse by the goverment this seems to be one of the main problems any harder gun control would just be abused by the goverment either some of you are a little paranoid no offence mr parsli i have to take exception at this there are verifiable previous examples of levels of u s governments abusing gun control restrictions i dont think it is paranoid to worry that what has been abused in the recent past might be abused in thye future after so many times of getting burned any sane person will stop putting his hand on the stove or you should get a new goverment you do have elections id love to but as long as the politicians grab power to sell pork back to their constituents theres not a lot i can do its silly to suggest that if theres anything we cant trust the government to do and therefore the government should be allowed to do it then we should change governments down that road lies total government power ive never been a fan of totalitarianism guns n criminals most weapons used by criminals today are stolen this is very likely known criminals can not buy weapons thats one of the points of gun control and because gun control are strict in whole scandinavia and most of europe we dont have any problem with smuggled guns the north american continent is not europe no matter how many people would like it to be drugs are very illegal and theyre here for years canada has crowed about its gun control if it is necessary to control guns over the whole continent then canada should have always had comparable rates to the u s yet they still dont unless you can tell me why the canadian border is so much more magical than the mexican border which is shorter and far more heavily patrolled then i really cant accept that argument mixing weapons and things that can be use as one what i meant was that cars can kill but they are not guns no there are approximately 31 000 deaths due to guns in the u s two thirds of which are suicides unfortunately i dont have suicide rates for norway however this makes the per gun death rate about half the per car death rate the issue i hope i think we all agree that the criminals are the main problem guns are not a problem but the way they are used is and what are they for i think this discusion is interesting when you think of ex jugoslavia they should all have weapons its their rigth to have them and if they use them to kill other innocent people the problem is humans not guns the problems been humans since before we had stone axes the fct of the matter is simply this if nobody ever assaulted anybody whether there is a weapon of any sort around would be totally irrelevent yet weapons are built id suggest then that the murderous impulse in humanity pre dates weapons anyway the bosnians et al have been making an excellent attempt to kill each other for half a thousand years taking away their guns even if we could would neither halt the killing nor reduce the brutality if 50 of all murders was done with axes would you impose some regulations on them or just say that they are ment to be used at trees and that the axe is not a problem its the axer an example dont flame me just because not exactly 50 are killed by guns in the u s approximately 60 of murders are commited with firearms 50 with handguns 10 with non handguns the reason i say that guns per se are not the problem is that our non gun rate exceeds most of europes countries entire violent crime rate i dont really think weve got more knives or fists in any case i think examples of gun control applied to the u s have been abkect failures just like drug prohibition and other forms of prohibition until you deal with why people are doing what they are doing you wont solve your problem and if the problem is violent crime you shouldnt concentrate on the tools instead the vast majority of guns is never ever misused on the order of 99 5 over the entire lifetime of the gun this says to me that you cant make the argument that the gun itself causes the misuse think about the situation in los angeles where people are buying guns to protect themselves is this a good situation the situation is not good in that people fear for their lives but recall the scenes of the store owners during the last riots protecting their shops with guns would it have been better they too lost their livelihoods is it the rigth way to deal with the problem the problem of poverty and rage in los angeles no it isnt however if that problem becomes a violent action then yes it can be appropriate whether or not some person has been hurt by their condition wont make me less dead if they burn down my house with me in it you have to examine which problem youre referring to if youre discussing someone violently assaulting you then it is a perfectly legitimate response to make them stop hopefully simply letting them know youre prepared to shoot them would be enough as it was with the above mentioned store owners if everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals and their neighbor who have guns what do you think will happen i mean if everybody had a gun in usa 45 of households have some form of firearm usually a long gun that accounts for a level of access for at least 100 million americans firearm ownership is most likely among educated well off whites the group least likely to be involved in violent crime you may take that for what its worth david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al windows wordbasic sdk request for information i have been reading about an organisation called winword developers relations group i believe they have produced publications called winword software development kit or wordbasic sdk and the proceedings of the windows developers tools conference wordbasic sessions assembled by steve wexler would you be able to help me with a contact name and address for this organisation or these publications thank you adrian pitt systems administrator dsto corporate information systems unit melbourne 506 lorimer street fishermens bend vic 3207 australia phone 03 647 7881 fax 03 646 6061 email pitt cis dsto gov au medicine allergic reactions against laser printers hello does anyone know about allergic reactions caused by the developer toner of laser printers what chemical stuff is involved thanks in advance reinhard email rdd ibma ipp garching mpg de medicine re my new diet it works great in article 19600 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes keith is the only person i have ever heard of that keeps the weight off without any conscious effort to control eating behavior most of us have to diet a lot to keep from going back to morbid obesity i attribute my success to several factors very low fat except when someone else has cooked a meal for me i only eat fruit vegetables and whole grain or bran cereals i estimate i only get about 5 to 10 percent of my calories from fat very little sugar or salt very high fiber most americans get about 10 grams 25 to 35 are recommended i get between 50 and 150 sometimes 200 ive heard of people taking fiber pills it seems unlikely that pills can contain enough fiber to make a difference it would be about as likely as someone getting fat by popping fat pills tablets are just too small unless you snarf down hundreds of them daily my clean your plate conditioning works for me eating the last 10 takes half my eating time and gives satiety a chance to catch up so i dont still feel hungry and go start eating something else i dont eat when im not hungry unless im sure ill get hungry shortly and eating wont be practical then i bike to work 22 miles a day year round fast i also bike to stores movies and everywhere else as ive never owned a car i estimate this burns about 1000 calories a day it also helps build and maintain muscle mass prevent insulin resistance diabetes runs in my family and increase my metabolism even so my metabolism is so low that when im at rest im most comfortable with a temperature in the 90s f and usually wear a sweater if it drops to 80 cycling also motivates me to avoid every excess ounce cyclists routinely pay a premium for cycling products that weigh slightly less than others but its easier and cheaper to trim weight from the rider than from the vehicle theres no question in my mind that my metabolism is radically different from that of most people who have never been fat fortunately it isnt different in a way that precludes excellent health obviously i cant swear that every obese person who does what ive done will have the success i did but ive never yet heard of one who did try it and didnt succeed i think all of us cycle ones success depends on how large the fluctuations in the cycle are some people can cycle only 5 pounds im sure everyones weight cycles whether or not theyve ever been fat i usually eat extremely little salt when i do eat something salty my weight can increase overnight by as much as ten pounds it comes off again over a week or two keith lynch kfl access digex com f p 2 3 2 s q 1 x f f 3 2 q f f p q s q p f w q p x 8 1 8 guns re the holocaust revisited mcsdc1jpb dct ac uk john bell babbles from scotland one of englands last remaining colonies are you for real people dumb enough to give their money and possessions to a guy who says hes jesus deserve all they get people who were dumb enough to believe klinton was a moderate deserve what they get too its a real laugh to hear them try to justify this massacre with bullsh t about how concerned they were about how our tax money was was being spent wasting money keeping texans alive hell no lets spend it to import haitians with aids so we can treat them at taxpayer expense p anyway he killed a few feds so what the feds killed 90 civilians when they ran out of patience to use their own phrase if the feds hadnt attacked them theyd all be home eating dinner with their families tonight too bad but they started it maybe next time theyll think twice thats worth 4 stormtroopers hes not the goddam hero here nobody says he is what he was was a victim of a left wing government that violated its pledge to protect and uphold the constitution run amok dont worry though dweeb were gonna take it back hey im a white guy but would it be ok if i quoted malcolm x here and said by any means necessary nah never mind we can do this legally hes dead an im happy no youre just a brainless f cking trogladyte go beat up some soccer fans ignorance is bliss so drool on with that stupid smile on your face when people die needlessly i hope a badger climbs up your kilt dont expect these ukies to care about this folks these bastards never did like the idea that we americans had the means to defend ourselves and wouldnt stand for tyranical governments which is why we sent them packing back to their dreary little island with their tails between their legs twice i remember what i was doing bad boy whatcha gonna do when i heard that jfk had been shot whatcha gonna do will you remember the battle of waco when they come for you ken whitehead kdw odin icd ab com baseball re wfan no hes not nuts wip is second to none the sports station they dont have tony bruno working espn radio and al morganti doing friday night hockey because they suck i live in richmond va but i visit phila often and on the way i get wtem washington and wip i hear the fan at night wherever i go the signal used to be wnbc when they played golden oldies because you cant avoid it of those three wip has the best hosts hands down chuck cooperstein isnt a homer and neither is jody mac wtem is too generic to be placed in the catergory in fact if you have heard wtem and the fan you notice the theme music is identical same ownership i think so wip is totally original their hosts actually have a personality this is a knock at tem the team not the fan because mike and the mad dog and sommers are good i mean comparing the morning guys in philadelphia to the ones in washington is a total joke anyway i like the fan and wip but i think the edge goes to ip when i get back from philly i go into withdraw cause richmond has nada except the national sports line and those guys are totally clueless i was really mad when wcau was cancelled because they had steve fredericks doing sports phone after the phillies games wcau is another strong station now its an oldies station but they still have the phillies i started listening to the fan because i heard he went there i finally heard him last summer and he wasnt the same guy those ny fans got to him i was glad to hear him back in philly when i went to see a few eagles games i will admit i am die hard eagles fan and wip is basically an eagles station 365 days a year but i bet you the phillies are in control right now about the knock on g cobb i like him he knows the eagles like a book i remember the weekend before they went to play san fran when everyone thought the eagles would be blown away cobb said that the eagles usually play their best when no one believe they can win well they were inches shy of pulling the victory well thats my 02 medicine re how to diagnose lyme really in article c5sy24 lf4 watson ibm com yozzo watson ibm com ralph yozzo writes why do you think he would be called a quack the quacks dont do cultures they poo poo doing more lab tests this is lyme believe me ive are you arguing that the lyme lab test is accurate if you culture out the spirochete it is virtually 100 certain the patient has lyme i suppose you could have contamination in an exceptionally sloppy lab but normally not there are no false positives gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows vb decompiler subject says it all do any exist are they shareware where phil trodwell this space id be happy to ram a goddam 440 volt cattle for rent prod into that tub with you right now but not cheap this radio hunter s thompson cars re ford and the automobile ford and his automobile i need information on whether ford is partially responsible for all of the car accidents and the depletion of the ozone layer also any other additional information will be greatly appreciated thanks sssssoooooooooooo its all his fault thank god louis chevrolet is innocent and that guy diesel he otto feel guilty stephen phillips atlanta response center atlanta ga home of the braves medicine re schatzki ring pvcs in article uabdpo dpo uab edu 280493114107 spam dom uab edu uabdpo dpo uab edu gila005 stephen holland writes in article 1993apr27 180334 betsy gsfc nasa gov ohandley betsy gsfc nasa gov wrote the second issue summarized he has had extra heartbeats for the past 3 to 4 years and once was symptomatic from them with some lightheadedness he is young 30 ish thin and in good health recent bloodtests were all normal and do not smoke use drugs or caffeine etc im willing to accept the extra beats as normal but dont want to ignore them if they might be some kind of warning symptom the number of pvcs seems to increase throughout the day and with exercise or something as simple as climbing some stairs also if i get up after sitting or lying down for a while i tend to get a couple of extra beats could they possibly be related to the esophagous problems both seemed to develop at about the same time i not an expert on heart problems but pvcs are common and have been overtreated in the past my personal experience and i have the same history an build you do related to the heart that is is that my pvcs come and go with some months causing anxiety taking on more fluids seems to help and they seem worse in the summer remember that a slow heart rate will allow more pvcs to be apparent so perhaps it is an indication of a healthy cardiac system but ask an expert about that last point especially i too have had premature ventricular heartbeat starting in 1974 these are not by the way extra heartbeats this is how they feel and this is how i described them initially to the doctor but theyre actually premature heartbeats i would sometimes experience a lapse after one of these that went on for a suffocatingly long period of time making me wonder if my heart were ever going to beat again i had them persistently for eighteen years then i went on a low fat diet and they just stopped i havent had a single episode of pvh for almost two years i know correlation does not imply causation this is just fwiw barbara baseball re the 1964 phillies deja vu in article ericsc5hzr5 eui netcom com erics netcom com eric smith writes yeah the phillies played over their heads almost the whole year but it all caught up to them in one 10 game streak i am as old as 1964 man and i was a big phillies fan at the time age 13 the dodgers or somebody else finish two games back that has to be one of the closest last minute scrambles ever since i was born in the late pleistocene i too remember 1964 that year the dodgers were several games out of first and i think finished sixth in the league this was kind of odd because they won the world series both the previous year and the following year warren usui im one with the universe on a scale from 1 to 10 guns re the slaughter followups to talk politics guns rl russell lawrence kr karl rominger kr i support the right of any citizen with out a criminal history to own and use firearms regardless of race gender and religion rl thanks for admitting that you yourself adhere to an illogical dogma well folks in t p guns want to show how russells illogical dogma is wrong gary strand opinions stated herein are mine alone and are strandwg ncar ucar edu not representative of ncar ucar or the nsf guns re text of white house announcement and q as on clipper chip encryption in article strnlghtc5tr6d n3n netcom com strnlght netcom com david sternlight writes though i agree this is not the place to discuss guns i note in passing that a number of gun apologists seem to have ignored the words well regulated in their distorted interpretations of the second amendment though david sternlight pushes the envelope of credibility by claiming that talk politics guns is not the place to discuss guns or the meaning of the second amendment it seems he would rather post to millions of people out of relative ignorance of the subject than to follow the currently active threads discussing exactly this topic which at least explore the fallacies of his erroneous claim and at most explode them basic fact 1 mr sternlight the right described is a right of the people to keep and bear arms not a right of the people to form a militia a right of a militia to keep and bear arms or a right of well regulated people to keep and bear arms this should be apparent from a simple reading of the sentence for the other arguments i suggest you check out the thread some more about gun control playing now in an alt politics usa constitution near you cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars re val 1 vs bel966sti was re best radar detector in article brian 230493093710 hotspare arc nasa gov brian gothamcity jsc nasa gov brian donnell writes in article 1993apr22 204921 12644 convex com tobias convex com allen tobias wrote i live in the backyard of the folks who make the stalker radar system the valentine 1 has saved me many many many times from the stealth revenue enhancement traps of the local area i have had all the major brand detectors and imho nothing else even comes close to the v1 i hadnt heard of the valentine 1 before car driver and other auto magazines recommend bel detectors i was considering their latest the 966sti which picks up super wideband ka and laser as well it also avoids radar detector detectors although i really dont care about this since i doubt ill be driving in virginia anytime soon or have any other states also made detectors iilegal how does the valentine 1 compare with the bel products brian donnell no comparison the bel is just a hooped up wideband escort like detector no directional indicators no bogey counter no radar signature analysis no remote display option not as sensitive not as well built had it sent it back at medicine origin of morphine i am sorry to once again bother those of you on this newsgroup if you have any suggestions as to where i might find out about the subject of this letter the origin of morphine ie who first isolsted it and why he she attempted such an experiment once agian any suggestion would be appreciated csh p s my instructer insists that i get 4 rescources from this newsgroup so please send me and info you think may be helpful facts that you know but dont know what book theyre from are ok attention if you do not like seeing letters such as this one on your newsgroup direct all complaints to my instructor at bshayler eis calstat edu kilimanjaro is a pretty tricky climb most of its up until you reach the very very top and then it tends to slope away rather sharply sir george head obe jc logic the point is frozen the beast is dead what is the difference gavin millarrrrrrrrrr jc guns re ax the atf in article donbc5sl69 f7i netcom com donb netcom com don baldwin writes its hard to know what who to believe however the letter i received from the batf in response to one i sent to bentsen said that there was a search warrant and an arrest warrant check again you may find that the arrest warrant was issued after the first firefight cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet religion daniel v zoroaster was the jewish discomfort with jesus in article 1746 2bd37a66 paranet fidonet org bill carlson p0 f18 n104 z1 fidonet org bill carlson writes since everywhere i look zoroaster is suggested as being a probable descendant of daniel suppose you prove he wasnt zoroaster is far older than daniel if anything one could claim that in a sense daniel is a descendant of zoroaster as daniel though being hebrew has assimilated into zoroastrianism and has successfully introduced the religion into the tanakh of judaism however the majority of the book is in hellenistic aramaic not babylonian aramaic and only has kethuvim or writing status ref encyclopedia of religion mircea eliade daniel or in hebrew daniyyel hero of the biblical book that bears his name daniel is presented as a jew in the babylonian exile who achieved notoriety in the royal court for his dream interpretations and cryptography and for his salvation from death in a lions pit he also appears in the last chapters of the book as the revealer of divine mysteries and of the timetables of israels restoration to national religious autonomy as a practitioner of oneiromancy in the court described in daniel 1 6 written in the third person daniel per forms his interpretations alone while as a visionary apocalyptist in daniel 7 12 written in the first person he is in need of an angel to help him decode his visions and mysteries of the future it is likely that the name daniel is pseudonymous a deliberate allusion to a wise and righteous man known from ugaritic legend and earlier biblical tradition ez 14 4 28 3 the authorship of the book is complicated not only by the diverse narrative voices and content but by its language daniel 1 1 2 4a and 8 12 are written in hebrew whereas daniel 2 4b 7 28 is in aramaic the language division parallels the subject division daniel 1 6 concerns legends and dream interpretations 7 12 concerns apocalyptic visions and interpretations of older prophecies the overall chronological scheme as well as internal thematic balances daniel 2 7 is chiliastically related suggest an attempt at redactional unity after the prefatory tale emphasizing the life in court and the loyalty of daniel and some youths to their ancestral religion a chronological ordering is discernable a sequence from king nebuchadrezzar to darius is reported dn 7 12 much of this royal dating and even some of the tales are problematic for example daniel 4 speaks of nebuchadrezzars transformation into a beast a story that is reported in the qumran scrolls of nabonidus belshazzar is portrayed as the last king of babylon although he was never king and darius is called a mede who conquered babylon and is placed before cyrus ii of persia although no such darius is known the medes followed the persians and darius is the name of several persian kings presumably the episodes of daniel 2 6 depicting a series of monarchical reversals episodes of ritual observances and reports of miraculous deliverances were collected in the seleucid period late fourth to mid second century bce in order to reinvigorate waning jewish hopes in divine providence and encourage steadfast faith the visions of daniel 7 12 reporting events from the reign of belshazzar to that of cyrus ii but actually predicting the overthrow of seleucid rule in palestine were collected and published during the reign of antiochus iv prior to the maccabean revolt for it was then beginning in 168 bce that the jews were put to the test concerning their allegiance to judaism and their ancestral traditions and many refused to desecrate the statues of moses and endured a martyrs death for their resolute trust in divine dominion all of the visions of daniel dramatize this dominion in different ways for example via images of the enthronement of a god of judgment with a son of man invested with rule this figure was interpreted by jews as michael the archangel and by christians as christ in chapter 7 via zodiacal images of cosmic beasts with bizarre manifestations as in chapter 8 or via complex reinterpretations of ancient prophecies especially those of jeremiah 25 9 11 as found in daniel 9 12 the imagery of the four beasts in chapter 7 paralleled by the image of four metals in chapter 2 representing four kingdoms to be overthrown by a fifth monarchy of divine origin is one of the enduring images of the book it sur vived as a prototype of jewish and christian historical and apocalyptic schemes to the end of the middle ages the role and power of this imagery in the fifteenth and sixteenth century work of the exegete isaac abravanel the scientist isaac newton and the philosopher jean bodin and among the fifth monarchy men of seventeenth century england for example is abiding testimony to the use of this ancient topos in organizing the chiliastic imagination of diverse thinkers and groups the schema is still used to this day by various groups predicting the apocalyptic advent the encouragement in the face of religious persecution that is found and propagandized in daniel 11 12 contains a remarkable reinterpretation of isaiah 52 13 53 12 regarding the suffering servant of god not as all israel but as the select faithful neither the opening stories about daniel and the youths nor the final martyrological allusions advocate violence or revolt they rather advocate a stance of piety civil disobedience and trustful resignation victory for the faithful is in the hands of the archangel michael and the martyrs will be resurrected and granted astral immortality persumably the circles behind the book were not the same as the maccabean fighters and may reflect some proto pharisaic group of hasidim or pietists the themes of resistance to oppression freedom of worship preservation of monotheistic integrity the overthrow of historical dominions and the acknowledgement of the god of heaven recur throughout the book and have served as a token of trust for the faithful in their darkest hour zarathushtra founder of the religion know as zoroastrianism or mazdaism from mazda or ahura mazda the name of the god prophesied by zarathushtra the etymology and history of zarathushtra the avestan and oldest form of the name as uncertain both in various iranian languages and in related forms else where there may have been an old persian form zara ushtra from which the greek form zoroastres may be derived and there may have existed an old iranian form zarat ushtra to which may be linked the middle iranian zrdrwsht several middle persian forms such as zrtwsht and the new persian zardusht we can state with certainty only that the second half of the name ushtra means camel the form zoroaster derived from the greek zoroastres was used traditionally in european culture until the eighteenth century when zarathustra closer to the original and as found in nietzsche came into common use after the rediscovery of the avesta the collection of sacred books of zoroastrianism and the resulting studies in iranian philology see avesta notwithstanding the great and continued popularity of zarathushtra even in western culture the sources available to us are few extremely fragmented and heterogeneous our principle sources are the five gathas songs attributed to zarathushtra himself and included in the yasna section of the avesta gatha ahunavaiti yasna 28 34 gatha ushtavaiti yasna 43 46 gatha spentamainyu yasna 47 50 gatha vokukhshathra yasna 51 and gatha vashishtoishti yasna 53 the last of which was probably written after the prophets death other sources of considerable albeit varying importance are the younger avesta and the remaining zoroastrian religious literature in particular the pahlavi texts of the ninth and tenth centures ce although the achaemenid inscriptions sixth to fourth centures bce never mention zarathushtra he is mentioned by some greek sources of the time not however by herodotus who seems unaware of him the avesta does not provide any direct or explicit data concerning the true chronological history of zarathushtra but the text is useful in an indirect way as it clearly implies that the environment in which zoroastrianism arose was not that of iran under the medes or the persians the greek sources on the other hand do provide some information concerning the time of zarathushtra although from a historical point of view they are unreliable some place him six thousand years before the trojan war xanthus of lydia eudoxus of cnidus hermippus hermodorus aristotle plutarch diogenes laertius and pliny the account by xanthus of lydia however has also been interpreted by some to mean six hundred rather than six thousand years before the expedition of xerxes against greece this interpretation is favored by diogenes laertius who makes reference to xanthus but although a few scholars a s shabazi helmut humbach have recently attempted to rehabilitate it under various pretexts it is generally rejected although the historical value of the greek sources is negligible they are nonetheless important in that they show that the millenarian doctrine of history of the cosmos had already been developed in iran by the achaemenid period as the above account would seem to demonstrate they also show that by this time zarathushtra was already seen as an almost mythical figure one from an extremely distant past all of this leads to the conclusion that the prophet could not have belonged to a historical period contemporary with or even close to that of the achaemenids later zoroastrian sources the pahlavi texts do provide an absolute chrono logy for zarathushtra one that was also accepted by some arab authors accord ing to these sources zarathushtra lived 300 or 258 years before alexander again scholars are divided on the validity of the chronology some view it as historically reliable while others believe that it is devoid of historical justification the most convincing arguments however seem to support the latter position the figure of 258 years is accurate only on the surface because it represents in fact the more general one of 300 which was employed by sasanid propagandists to locate zarathushtras lifetime roughly around the beginning of iranian domination for a number of reasons connected with complex problems inherent in the iranian chronology there was also a desire on the part of the sasanid propagandists to avoid any millenarian threat in this context zarathushtra whom tradition places early in the ninth millennium after the beginning of the cosmos converted vishtaspa at the age of forty two and vishtaspas conversion was viewed by some as the beginning of the millennium thus explaining the double date of 300 and 258 years before alexander given the unreliability of the few available sources we are forced to reconstruct an absolute chronology on the basis of other elements principally on the contention that zarathushtra must have lived a few centuries before cyrus the great cambyses and darius as there is no mention in the avesta of the great political achievements that took place in western iran in the middle of the first millennium bce nor is there any mention of the history of that period which was to lead iran to a position of such predominance at the same time for a number of reasons going back much further in history would not be justified consequently the traditionally accepted theory of placing zara thushtra around the beginning of the first millennium bce appears to be the most legitimate as to zarathushtras land of origin many scholars agree on the basis of valid arguments that he must have come from eastern iran some have held that he was a mede largely because of a late iranian tradition linking zarathushtra with azerbaijan but also because of linguistic reasons based on the language of the avesta this hypothesis however should be discarded as we can suppose both on historical and linguistic grounds that zarathushtra came from the east even though we do not know precisely from which region there is a considerable variety of opinion on this particular matter including the improbable view that he came from chorasmia or present day khorezm or from a wider chorasmian region reaching as far as the oases of merv and herat most likely however zarathushtras land of origin is somewhere in the vast area stretching from the hindu kush mountain range to the more southern regions of bactria and arachosia modern qandahar as well as drangiana the area of lake helmand it would thus be located in what is now afghanistan or in the border regions of iran zarathushtra himself tells us that he belonged to the priestly caste yasna 33 6 he was a zaotar cf sanskrit hotr that is a priest belonging to a specific group connected with a school that produced very elaborate and learned religious poetry even in the so called younger avesta he is described as an athravan yashts 13 94 a more general term encompassing the entire priestly caste to enter it he had undergone a long and rigid training which he used to lend dignity as in the gathas to the contents of his new message the product of a great and original ethical mind zarathushtra also belongs to that venerable priestly tradition linking india to iran in another way by centering his teachings on the praise of the ashavan or possessor of asha that is the one who as in the vedic rtavan seeks truth and masters it thus becoming ashavan in this life almost an initiate and blessed after death any good follower of such teachings seeks the vision of asha just as those chosing the right path in vedic india aspired to the vision of the sun a manifestation of rta behind these concepts and this language lies the great tradition of aryan mysticism that is of indo iranian mysticism zarathushtras greatness however does not lie in his having belonged to a particular religious tradition rather it lies in the innovation and strength of his message which was in itself a break in the tradition one that force fully and effectively introduced two great revolutionary ideas dualistic monotheism the wise lord who fathers two twin spirits the beneficent and the evil and the expectation of a transfiguration av frashokereti pahl frashgird of life and existence see frashokereti both his monotheistic and dualistic ideas and his particular soteriological doctrine deeply separate zarathushtras teachings from the indo iranian tradi tions of his upbringing they exemplify his rebellion against a formalistic and ritualistic religion that did not provide adequate answers to the problem of evil because of his basic tenets zarathushtra who advocated an inward religiosity and the right of the individual to resist the imperatives of tradi tion can be numbered among the greatest of religious figures another original facet of zarathushtras message one that is not easy to understand but which however holds the key to a deeper understanding of the complex intellectual and poetic structure of the gathas is the doctrine of the amesha spentas the beneficent immortals these are spiritualizations of the abstract notions of good thought best truth desirable power bounteous devotion wholeness and immortality all of which operate according to a system of interrelations and correlations and can simultaneously be the manifestations of a divinity and of human virtue see amesha spentas other than the names of his father pourushaspa possessing gray horses and of his mother dughdova one who has milked we know almost nothing of zarathushtras life a late pahlavi text also give the names of four brothers according to tradition zarathushtra left home at the age of twenty and at thirty he was subject to a revelation both through an intense and powerful inspiration and through a vision only after ten years had passed however did he succeed in converting a cousin of his maidhyoimah to his beliefs he was strongly opposed in his native land by kavis karapans and usijs priestly groups associated with traditional teachings and practices this hostility caused him to leave his region yasna 46 1 and to seek refuge at the court of kavi vishtaspa a ruler who had been converted to the new religion together with his wife hutaosa when the prophet according to tradition was forty two years old we also know the name of a son isat vastra desiring pastures and of three daughters born of his first wife as well as the names of two more sons urvatatnara commanding men and hvarecithra sun faced born of his second wife hvovi a member of the influential hvogva possessing good cattle family two other figures belonging to the hvogva family are mentioned frashaoshtra and jamaspa the former as hvovis father and the latter as the husband of the third daughter of the prophet pouruchista very thoughtful whose wedding is celebrated in the fifth hymm in the gathas yasna 53 again according to tradition zarathushtra died at the age of seventy seven he was assassinated by a karapan a priest of the old religion who belonged to the tuirya tribe and was called tur i bradres his name is known only in the pahlavi form the paucity of information on the prophets life is compensated by a tradi tion rich in legendary detail that arose through the centuries in zoroastrian communities the main texts documenting the tradition are the seventh book of the denkard a pahlavi work dating from the ninth century ce as well as passages from other pahlavi texts and a new persian work from the thirteenth century the zarathusht nama book of zarathushtra written by zaratusht i bahram i pazhdu mythical and ritual elements prevail in the later legends about zarathushtra which idealize him into a symbol and make him the archetype of the perfect man zarathushtras great popularity in the ancient world continued throughout the renaissance until the enlightenment during the classical and hellenistic periods he was viewed as a wise man a typical representative of an alien wisdom a master of the secrets of heaven and earth a seer astrologer psychologist and wonder worker pythagorean thinkers went so far as to see the influence of zarathushtra on pythagoras himself and the academicians always openly admired the persian thinker who founded the school of the magi and advocated a doctrine of dualism earliest christianity viewed zarathushtra as a precursor of the christian faith one who not only prophesied as had the biblical prophets the advent of the messiah but also predicted the supernatural sign of his coming the star that was to appear in the east and guide the three magi to the manger in bethlehem see magi this christian interpretation is derived from the zoroastrian doctrine of the saoshyant the savior of the future see saoshyant later however religious struggles arose during the sasanid empire in persia third to seventh centuries ce which linked the spread of christianity with the roman empire zarathushtras popularity in the christian world began to decline the iranian prophet who had been praised often by the gnostic schools and who had been seen by mani as one of the three great messengers from the past was now seen instead as a leader of imposture and heresy a teacher of the diabolic arts of witchery but during the renaiss ance and the enlightenment european cultures reverted to the image of zara thushtra that had come down through classical and hellenistic antiquity he was viewed once again as a great and wise man as the author of the chaldean oracles and probably inventor of qabbalah as a teacher of astrology as a possible bridge between christianity and platonism and at times as in voltaire as a symbol of non christian wisdom after western philology rediscovered zarathushtra during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries friedrich nietzsche in an intentional paradox gave the name zarathustra to the hero of his work also sprach zarathustra 1883 1892 nietzsche saw the iranian prophet as the first to have discovered the true motive force underlying all things that is the eternal struggle between good and evil see also zoroastrianism religion re gilligans island den of iniquity beb pt com bruce buck writes in article 1993apr13 011033 23123 nuscc nus sg matmcinn nuscc nus sg matthew macintyre at the national university of senegal writes gilligan sloth skipper anger thurston howell iii greed lovey howell gluttony ginger lust professor pride mary ann envy assorted monkeys secular humanism assorted headhunters godless heathen savagery russian agent who looks like gilligan godless communism japanese sailor godless barbarism walter pigeon godless bird turd the mosquitos bingo bango bongo irving godless rocknroll harold heckuba phil silvers hollywood hedonism john mcgiver butterfly flicking tonga the fake apeman deceit lust eva grubb deceit lust cars militech i saw an interesting product in ny auto show and would like to hear your comments militech tm is yet another oil additive but the demonstration of this product really impressive if it didnt cheat the setup of the demo is fairly simple a cone shaped rotor is half submerged in a small oil sink filled with motor oil the rotor is powered by an electronic motor a metal pad is pressed against the rotor using the torque wrench until the rotor stopped by friction the torque that is needed to stop rotor is read from the torque wrench before militech was added the rotor was stopped with about 60 lb ft of torque you pick the brand of oil no difference once militech was added to the oil the rotor could not be stopped even with 120 lb ft of torque here is the good part even after the salesman emptied the oil sink you still could not stopped the rotor with the thin film remained on it they say you need only add 2oz per quart of oil every 15k miles a 16 oz bottle is 25 i still have my doubts if this product is really so great why it was so little known the salesman said it is widely used in military i didnt believe it the demo was so impressive that i bought a bottle against my common sense has anyone heard of or actually used this product is it real if you are going to the auto show please visit this stand on the second floor see if can find out if the demo is a hoax or not jason chen baseball seeking all star game info ok ok ok first my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request but here goes anyhow im very interested in finding out how i might be able to get two tickets for the all star game in baltimore this year my very aged folks live about 50 miles away and i know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game i went with them and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child to the all star game in dc many years ago although im now in the sf bay area id love to be able to treat my folks to this game its absolutely the last chance theyd ever have to attend this g ame locally any info would be greatly appreciated mary cole mcole informix com cars re 93 grand am 4 cyl in article holcomb 93apr19073907 wgermany ctron com holcomb ctron com edgar w ii holcomb writes in article apr 18 12 24 26 1993 19337 remus rutgers edu wilmott remus rutgers edu ray wilmott writes hi all a while back i was asking for info about a few different models the grand am being one of them response was generally favorable one thing often repeated was go for the v6 for some real power point well taken but does anybody have any input on the 4 cylinders both the standard ohc and the quad 4 ray the high output quad 4 delivers 175 hp 185 for the wf41 quad 4 whereas the 3 1l v6 offered in the grand am delivers 140 hp i own a beretta gtz ooppss the v6 in the grand am is the 3 3 litre not the 3 1 the 3 3 is a downsized version of buicks 3 8 litre v6 the 3 1 v6 goes in the beretta and corsica baseball re game length was re braves update in article mzimmersc5sllk ld9 netcom com mzimmers netcom com michael zimmers writes in article 20apr93 15151474 vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu writes nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes i agree with nick whats the big deal about long games if you want to watch baseball theres that much more baseball to watch and yes baseball includes the space between plays as well as the plays themselves first a longer game in no way suggests more baseball to watch unless you include watching the grass grow as baseball the lengthier games are so because of batters stepping out of the box pitchers taking longer between pitches and excessive trips to the mound by managers and pitching coaches until six or seven years ago i was an enthusiastic fan of nfl football last year i hardly watched a game what turned me off were the incessant interruptions to the continuity of the game a team scores 2 5 minutes of commercials kickoff 1 5 minutes of commercials three downs and a punt 2 minutes of commercials aaaaarrrrgh earlier in this thread i commented on larussa and the as whom i believe institutionalize slow play i dont mind the cat and mouse game with rickey on first in fact i rather enjoy it similarly i would enjoy the battle with listach or lofton or polonia on first what i object to is when such games are played with karkovice on first or when the game is a blowout i dont mind when the pitcher steps off the mound to gather his thoughts in a crucial situation or when a hitter steps out of the box to regain his concentration what i object to is when hitters and pitchers take such breaks at every opportunity when a game is exciting these little delays serve as tension builders and for me enhance the value of the experience of the game when the delays happen with regularity they become nuisances just like the commercial breaks in football i understand the nfl imposed a number of rule changes to speed up the games basically putting an onus on the officiating staff to move the markers and the ball to the spots faster that did not address the problem of the continuity of the game it may have appeased the sponsors and the networks but i would be amazed if it did anything to enhance the experience of the fans similary while some 3 hour baseball games bore me to tears those are the ones where there is no continuity and the players are taking exasperatingly long periods to get ready for each pitch i doubt if anyone watching the braves giants game cared about gant stepping out i doubt if anyone watching that game would have found that pause to be anything but an opportunity to have their complete attention claimed by the drama that was present i would be totally opposed to any effort that would eliminate that aspect of baseball on the other hand i wish baseball had a commissioner that was powerful enough to sit down with alderson larussa duncan and explain that they are actually hurting the product of baseball by dragging their games out the way that they do i sure wouldnt mind a little arm twisting there the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com windows how to prevent ctl alt del from windows i would like to prevent our windows users from using ctl alt del from within windows i know there must be a way to do it could anyone point me in the right direction thanks in advance mike glynn mike glynn business gatech edu mike glynn stolen sig follows a hot rodder is someone who is completely internet mg15 prism gatech edu baffled by people who are not into cars windows utility for updating win ini and system ini i nead a utility for updating deleting adding changing ini files for windows do i find it on any ftp host svein religion re that kill by sword must be killed by sword in article 19apr199310484591 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu stephen writes now that chemical warfare and the use of juggernauts have been used against innocents so likewise are those involved subject to their own judgments the same goes for those who lead others into captivity whether behind strands of barbed wire or webs of deceit yeah innocents people who hoard 250k worth of high caliber automatic weapons and kill law enforcement agents really fit the bill here the only innocents were the 20 children who were prevented from leaving a burning building by their self appointed messiah following parents a burning started by the davidians such is the patience and faith of the saints so let them continue for the one who rewards them according to what their works shall be comes quickly the evidence continues to mount which all seems to follow step by step quite logically to me j stephen is this subject line a veiled threat against u s government agents or possibly executive office leadership i e clinton ive considered you a bit of a loon before stephen i guess this pretty much confirms it nice religion you have there the only ones who should be killed are those who dont agree with us sheesh tom hyatt im a diehard saints fan so ive thyat sdf lonestar org suffered quite enough thank you arlington tx help im being repressed m python windows re atm so good that there isnt any diff whether or not atmanager is turned on or not is it worth it to run atm at all especially with these better printer technologies and tt there are some fonts that are only available as ps fonts if you have a ps font that you want to use use atm otherwise it is a waste of system resources or if you need to use a service bureau and theyre only set up to use type 1 fonts from what ive heard pure hearsay the results of outputting tt fonts as type 1 is not as good as using high quality type 1 fonts in the first place lamont downs downs nevada edu medicine ecg data needed i need some ecg data uncompressed hopefully in ascii format dont care what it looks like this is for a signal processing project religion re lds gordons objections in article c5rp8k kw2 acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu robert weiss writes gordon banks quoted and added gb in article c53l1s d61 acsu buffalo edu gb psyrobtw ubvmsd cc buffalo edu robert weiss writes gb gb the mormon jesus is the spirit brother of lucifer that jesus is god gb the fathers first born spirit child that jesus was begotten on earth gb through natural means not by the holy ghost that he sweat his blood gb for our sins in the garden of gethsemane that his blood cannot gb cleanse from all sin that he is now among many millions of other gb gods that jesus is jehovah and the father is elohim in the ot gb jehovah and elohim are the same that he needed to be saved gb it is true that mormons believe that all spirits including jesus lucifer robert weiss are in the same family it does not mean that jesus was created but rather that lucifer and robert weiss were not i agree that this is a heresy so what the sweating of blood in gethsemene is not a basic mormon doctrine jesus did not perform the atonement in getheseme alone as some anti mormons are trying to teach as far as the unpardonable sin whatever that is it is biblical and not specifically mormon it is also called the sin against the holy ghost most bible scholars other than conservative ones do not believe jehovah and elohim were always the same im sure youve heard of the j and the e texts i dont know what you mean by that he needed to be saved jesus jehovah elohim in mormon doctrine jesus was sinless and thus did not need to be saved gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon medicine selective placebo l levin bbn com joel b levin writes l john badanes wrote l jb 1 ron what do you consider to be proper channels l l im glad it caught your eye thats the purpose of this forum to l educate those eager to learn about the facts of life that phrase l is used to bridle the frenzy of all the would be respondents who l otherwise would feel being left out as the proper authorities to be l consulted on that topic in short it means absolutely nothing l l an apt description of the content of just about all ron roths l posts to date at least theres entertainment value though it l is diminishing well thats easy for you to say all you have to do is sit back soak it all in try it out on your patients and then brag to all your colleagues about that incredibly success rate youre having all of a sudden ron rosereader 2 00 p003228 for real sponge cake borrow all ingredients rosemail 2 10 usenet rose media hamilton 416 575 5363 baseball baseball stats hello my friends and i are running the homewood fantasy baseball league pure fantasy baseball teams unfortunely we are running the league using earl weaver baseball ii with the comm disk ii and we need the stats for the 1992 season preferably the 1992 major league stat disk we have the 92 total stats but ewb2 needs the split stats otherwise we have 200 inning games because the comm disk turns total stats into vs ls stats unless you know both right and left handed stats so if anyone has the ewb2 92 stat disk please e mail me admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu committee for the liberation and intergration of terrifying organisms and their rehabilitation into society from red dwarf polymorph the bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed this sig has been brought to you by frungy the sport of kings medicine re hypodermic needle scientific american had a nice short article on the history of the hypodermic about 10 or 15 years ago prior to liquid injectables there were paddle like needles used to implant a tiny pill under the skin medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition avoiding mistakes is certainly highly desirable however it is also widely acknowledged that perfectionism is inimicable to creativity and in ordinary life perfectionism carried beyond a certain point is indicative of a psychological disorder in the extreme case a perfectionist becomes so paralyzed by all the possible mistakes he might make that he is unable to even leave the house in science we want to discover as much truth about the world as possible and we also want to have as much certainty as possible about these discoveries usually there is some trade off between these two desiderata the search for scope and the search for certainty if 18th century mathematicians had demanded total rigor from newton and leibniz then there would probably be no calculus today because neither of the two could explain calculus in a way that really made sense since they lacked the concept of a limit and in fact because of the lack of a rigorous foundation they made a number of errors in their use of calculus it was only a hundred years later that weistrass was able to give a solid grounding for the ideas of newton and leibniz nonetheless what newton and leibniz did was undoubtedly science and mathematics gained a great deal more from the application of their important ideas than it lost through the mistakes they made in article 1993apr14 171230 16138 kestrel edu king reasoning com dick king writes somebody writes i doubt if einstein used any formal methodology he also proposed numerous experiments which if performed would distinguish a universe in which special relativity holds from one in which it does not einstein played by the rules which demand that hypotheses only be put out there if there exists a specific experiment that could disprove them these are not the rules according to many who post to sci med and sci psychology according to these posters if its not supported by carefully designed controlled studies then its not science taken to the extreme i believe that the attitude that empirical studies are everything and ideas are nothing results in a complete stultification of science for one thing an insistence on an elaborate and expensive methodology results in a sort of scientific trade unionism where those outside the establishment and lacking institutional or corporate support have no chance to obtain a hearing i dont in the least believe that this is the intention of the arbiters of scientific methodology nonetheless it is one of the results and although institutional science has certainly produced many wonderful results i think it is a foolish arrogance for scientists to believe that no one outside the establishment and using less than perfect empirical methodology will ever come with anything worthwhile furthermore the big bucks approach to science promotes what i think is one of the most significant errors in science choosing to investigate questions because they can be readily handled by the currently fashionable methodology or because one can readily get institutional or corporate sponsorship for them instead of directing attention to those questions which seem to have fundamental significance for instance certain questions cannot be easily investigated with statistical methods because the relevant factors are not quantitative one could argue that this is the case for almost all questions in many areas of psychology in my opinion a perusal of many of the papers resulting from the attempt by psychologists to force these questions into a statistical framework gives the lie to russell turpins assertion that current scientific methods avoid all known errors i think that asking the wrong question is probably the most fundamental error in science ignoring potentially valuable ideas is one of the others and i think that scientific journals are full of all too many studies done with impeccable empirical methods but which are worthless because the wrong question was asked in the first place in the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lady uhunix bitnet guns senator patty murreys tax proposal if you havent heard yet us senator patty murrey a mom in tennis shoes is planning to introduce legislation to tax all handgun transactions and increase dealer licnese costs in order to raise money to cover the costs of un insured shooting victums she plans to start with 2500 00 per year dealer fees and 40 00 or so depending on the type of firearm per gun transaction she plans to make it federal she was elected in washington state under the trade mark as just a mom in tennis shoes she can be written to via the united states senate washinton dc she is looking for your tennis shoes so if you have a pair please send them to her with your feelings regarding this tax she claims she has heard little from the opposition lets inundate her bigot the definition of a bigot is a conservative winning an argument baseball re harry caray in article 34592 oasys dt navy mil odell oasys dt navy mil bernard odell writes being an old time cardinal fan now relocated to the nva area i can recall that harry was not at all popular with old man busch who as i understand it fired him and kicked him out of st louis i am not quite sure of the reasons but the old man was certainly not enraptured by ole harry bern odell i grew up listening to harry carey call the cardinals games and really liked him then but as i recall he was fired because he was too critical read honest when he was announcing he dared to point out the cards miscues and such at least this is what i remember from when i was a kid kay jones baseball re jack morris cmeyer bloch stanford edu craig meyer writes michael chen mike cunixf cc columbia edu wrote in any case i think viola would have made a better signing why viola is younger and is left handed how many left handed starters does toronto have well i agree that viola is a better signing however why does everyone say that you want lefthanded starters i understand lefthanded spot relievers even though they usually face more righthanded batters than lefthanded batters i just dont understand why people insist on lefthanded starters unless there is a park effect e g yankee stadium the answer is theyre stupid seriously i think youre right on the money ive never understood the preoccupation with making sure a rotation has left handed starters the only time it makes sense to me is when you have an unbalanced schedule and your main rival s is loaded with lefthanded hitters other than that i think youre completely right greg baseball re jewish baseball players there was an article on jewish major leaguers in a recent issue of elysian fields what used to be the minnesota review of baseball as i recall it had an amazing amount of research with a long list of players and a large bibliography peter binkley binkley let rug nl cars re lexus and infiniti yeah and bmw 525e has 2 7 litres 535 3 4 btw can someone out there please tell me how to put someone elses file on and then reply to that so the other persons file and my own reply go to the newgroups together ps just mail me personally thanx in advance windows re challenge to microsoft supporters lots of stuff deleted because i felt like it this ms bashing has definitely lost all its humor value i think most of the people posting are forgetting that most users of ms products do not even know about internet and unix is that very unfriendly place where bizzare abreviations replace the rather comfortable abreviations they know and the abreviations have subtle differences between the different vendors while pc users tend to customize any windowing setup they can not do much with their command line so to most of the computer users in the world ms product symbolize quality ms has made their life easier and more productive and to them that is quality they do not care about what innovative things ms has done other than to make their life with a computer one heck of a lot easier you may know better than most computer users in this world but that will not change their perception face it until unix come up with a decent gui that is available to all variations of unix it just will not catch on with the mainstream of computer users we here on the net are not mainstream computer users brian disclaimer the opinions expressed are mine not those of bnr brian ws1s st tt user developer if i wanted a computer to play games bell northern research on id buy an amiga however i have research triangle park nc real work to do so please get lost windows roman bmp 14 14 part 14 of 14 m 1d9 p4u m v bxn 0t 0tq33 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q 3 q p g9 7 om4 p 1eq 2 3t 3t 3w2tm tm 2 1d9 ml p4u 34 wm wm wm4u 34 p 1eqtct f0 nriz1po 8 ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax as qq 1f9l0qax ax q 3 qq 3 q 9f9f8 i4 m1t 1t e 2ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax qq 8 i 5 m1 bj n m 7ex yf9f9f9 3v9 3v9f9f9 3t 3t 3t 3t 3w2 7 q m 2tg 9 p4 wmbxn 0tq6 g9p p 3 q 3 p p p p g m9v g9v g9 7 q 7 q30t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 7 q 5g9v g9v gq 7 mq 7 q 7 0tbxn wm wm u34u pl d9 9d uy nrhj gk w m1t 1t 1t 1t ei0l v9f9l3 3 ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax as qq 1f z5wwiz km sw2 1d9l 34u m m wmbxn bs0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 0t 3 q 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wm v bxn bxn bxn bxn 0t 0t 0t n bs0t m 3 q6 g9p 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q p g9 7 m 2 5 p 7 qtm 2 3v9f9f9 3w2tct 3t 3t 3w2 7 9 34 wm wm m u34u 3l d9 f0 nrizwt i 4 9l0qax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax q 3 q ax ax ax ax ax 3 q 9f pl 9l2ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax as 9 ne1 ghjn m yf9 3t 3w2tct m 3t 9f9 9f9 3v9f9d f9f9f3w2tm 2tg q 1d9 1d9l 3 8n 0t 7 mq 7 9v g9v g9v g p p 3 q 3 q 3 q p p p p 9v g9v m9v g9v g9v p p tq 3 q p p p v g9v gq 7 q 4t n mb wm 5 3l d9 f0 nriz m i0l v9f9l3 q 3 q 3 3 ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax 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ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax q 3 q 9f z5wwiz bhjnux yd tg q 1fpl 3 m4u 34u 34u 34u 34u 3 wm wm 8n bs0t 0t 3 q 7 9v p p m p p 3 q 3 q p p 9p 9v g9 4t om 5 pl eqtm 9f9f0 m7kn n n n ljn n n m 7ey 7ex yf9 2 7 q 7 q 72tct f0 7kn m m i 4 q q 3 ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax as m9f8 i4 w z bj 7 9 2tm 2tm 2 3t 3v9f9f9f9f9 3t 3t 3t m 3w2tm q 1fpl pl 34 wmbxn 2 bxlt 3 q30t 0tq 7 9v g p m3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q m3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 v g9v q30t n u3l d9 f0 nwk 1t e mi0mfq 0qax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax q 1f9 l i4 w z bhj mnuy p 9 3w2tg q 1d9 1d9 1d9l pl pl 34u 34 wm 8n bxltq 7 mq6 g9v g p p p p p p 9v g9v g9v q 7 q 7 2 b u3 m4 p 7 qtcv9f0 7ey 7kn nrhj bhj giz bhj kn n n nuy 7 9 3t m 3t 3v9f9d uy n lj m i0l 9l0qax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax as 9 l pne1 z bhjnux yd 3t 2tct 3t 3v9 mf9f9f3t 3t 3t tm tm q 1d9l 34u 34 wm 8n bxn bxn bs0t 0t m 0t 3 q 5g9v p 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q m3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q p g9 7 2 bxom 5 p 72 mtcv9 uz gk 1z4 v q ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax as q mq 1f pnei 51t ghj km 7 9f3w2tm 2 7 q 1d9 7 q 7 9 1d9 1d9 ml p4u m v bxlt 7 9v p 3 q 3 q p p p p g9 7 0t m 2 bxn bxn b wm4u pl d9 2 3v9 p uy 7kn n lj biz m w mw wwiz bhj bhjn m p p p 7klj bhj m pmfq qax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax as q 3 q 3 9 l i0ne1 z bj n m 7 9f3t m 3t 3t 3t 3t 3v9f3t 3t f9f9 3t 2 1d9 p4 wm wm v mbxn bxn bxn bxn 0t 0t 0tq 5g9v tq 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q m3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 v gq 4t m n b wm4 9 72 9d 7klj m i0mf9l0q 8 ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax qq 1f9 nei4 1 bhjnuy p 9f3t 3w2tm 2 mtm 2tm 2 7 q 1d9 pl p4u m 8n bxlt 3 q6 g p 3 q 3 q 3 q m3 q 3 9v gq 7 2 bxom u34u m 5 34 p 1eq f9d uy 7ey mn n n lj gizw 1t 1t ei 6e1t wt w wwiz bhj bhj giz giz mwt e 0q 8 ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax q 3 9f8 pl pnei 51 m bj nuy 7ex f9f9 3t 3t f9d 3t 3t 3t 3v9f9f9f9f9 3w2 7 q m 1d9l m wm wm wm wmbxn bxlt 0tbxn 0t 3 q 5g9p 3 q m3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q b8e b8f 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 m p g9 7 q 4t 0t n 5 3l d9 uz gk wt 9l0qax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax as qq 8 z6e1 z bj m7ey p f9f9f9f9f9f9f9f9f3t tm 2 7 9 1d9 1d9l 3 v bxlt 3 mq 5g9v p p tq p v g9 7 0tbxom wm4u 34u 3l p 1d9 m 7 qtct f9d 7ez nrhj giz gizw wt i0l pl pl pl pl i 6e mi 51t w w 1t i 4 v q ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax 3 9 ne mi 6ei 51z51 bj 7ex p yf9f9d 3t 9f9f3t 3w2tm 2tct mf9f9f9f9f9d tg q 1d9 34 wm wm wm v bxn bs0t 0t 0tbxn mbs0tq 7 9v p 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 r b8f b4q 3 q 3 q 3 q m3 q 3 q 3 q 3 g9 7 n bs0tbxn u34 9 72 9e nwii 4 9l3 m 3 ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max 3 9f8 i4 ghjn n n m 7ey 7 p 9f9f9f9d 3w2tg q 7 q m 1d9l 34 wmbs0tq 7 9v q6 g9v g p 9v g9v gq 7 2 b wm4u 3 m4u pl pl d9 1eq 7 q 72tm f9d uy n lj gizw 1t 1t ei0l m9f9f9 l pl pl pl pl pl z6ei 6ei 6e pmf9f9f9l3 8 ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax end end of part 14 of 14 medicine re cant breathe in article 1993mar29 204003 26952 tijc02 uucp pjs269 tijc02 uucp paul schmidt writes i think it is important to verify all procedures with proper studies to show their worthiness and risk i just read an interesting tidbit that 80 of the medical treatments are unproven and not based on scientific fact for example many treatments of prostate cancer are unproven and the treatment may be more dangerous than the disease according to the article i read where did you read this i dont think this is true i think most medical treatments are based on science although it is difficult to prove anything with certitude it is true that there are some things that have just been found to work but we have no good explanation for why but almost everything does have a scientific rationale the most common treatment for prostate cancer is probably hormone therapy it has been proven to work so have radiation and chemotherapy what treatments did the article say are not proven gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in a previous article thomasez dhhalden no thomas lundquist wrote they invented the how to make money on others ideas they made money they werent in the air at the wrong time hewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavebillgatesshavethewhalesshavethew he doesnt have a beard rob being pointless wondeing if anyone else caught that any resemblance between the above views and rob those of my faculty advisor my terminal or mohns the view out my window are purely coinci dental richard traina may or may not rmohns vax support said views but probably doesnt clarku edu want clarkies to think about them guns raid justification was blast them next time in article 1r1chu h22 pandora sdsu edu chiu io nosc mil francis chiu writes initial assault on the compound more like a wooden farm house if it burned to the ground like it did for what regardless of who started caused the fire none of this would have happened if the atf can honestly justify their initial assault and handled it properly i just got through listening to the 10 oclock news on channel 4 here in dallas they trotted out a list of justifications produced by the atf after months of investigation for their raid i couldnt believe the junk on this list for example the bds were accused of stockpiling a bunch of 9mm and 223 ammunition that can be used in m15 and m16 assault rifles imagine that they had ammunition they also had aluminum dust yeah its a component of thermite but so far i havent heard that its illegal to take a grinder to the aluminum lawn furniture the only thing on the list that could conceivably have been illegal was an m 79 grenade launcher anybody know about this months of investigation for this 80 people died die welt ist alles was zerfall ist peter cash apologies to ludwig wittgenstein cash convex com baseball re jose cansecos swing 1992 vs 1986 in article c5r5b8 d1u ucdavis edu ez027993 dale ucdavis edu gary man from villanueva huckabay writes its certainly not very easy what i do is use frame advance on the tape and simply count the frames five times and try to throw out any outliers its not perfect but its better than a blow to the head with a large metal object ah so you finally found a use for that super slo mo and frame advance other than scrutinizing sorority babes in heat congrats i wish i had films instead of tapes preferably at 48fps rather than 24 but while im at it id like to have ten million dollars and be able to eat anything i want and never gain any weight either trust me youd have a helluva time manipulating them besides if you converted the film to video youd have all kinds of artifacts because of the difference in frame rate unless youre an expert at doing 3 2 pulldown for a laserdisc company or something garys list of the ten slowest bats in baseball hey no fair what about fettucine alfredo griffin the guy practically has to pivot the bat around along with his body garys list of how the hell can he hit like that 1 julio franco 2 phil plantier 9 darren daulton daulton doesnt strike me as all that strange hes a little bit quiet at the plate but like franco gets the bat through the hitting zone on a level plane the first time i watched julio franco i didnt think anyone could hit like that now i marvel at how easy he makes it look every time he makes contact its solid hes got good power to all fields and rarely is he caught not ready for a pitch i wonder if phil plantier had a severe bout with hemorrhoids and had to practice his swing while on the throne sure looks like it how bout one to add to your list travis fryman the guy plants his front foot and seems to swing across his body he generates a lot of power but i keep thinking he could generate even more if he could get a better pivot out of his hips garys list of id give dave kirschs kidneys to have a swing like that well theyre already spoken for by several people but id add robbie alomars name to the list among others i really like dean palmers swing for some twisted reason as well as pedro munozs swing thats all for now im looking at derrick mays tapes tonight along with troy neels that guy is a serious ox a thought about may it looks like theyve taught him to turn on the ball imho hes going to fall in love with his newfound power and start pulling off the ball to the point that hes going to see lots of sinkers sliders low and away unless he adjusts quickly and starts rifling doubles to left and left center imho youre going to see a good number of weak grounders to the right side of the infield in the next month dave hung like a jim acker slider kirsch blue jays do it again in 93 kirsch staff tc umn edu new quotes out of context not to beat a dead horse but its been a couple o weeks this disappoints me punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence religion re greek myth and the bible in article 765422d6347700t48 edmahood infoserv com edmahood infoserv com ed mahood jr writes in pegasus 130393124328 fp1 dialin 7 uoregon edu pegasus aaa uoregon edu laurie ewbrandt wrote a definiation from a text book used as part of an introductory course in social anthorpology the term myth designates traditionally based dramatic narratives on themes that emphasize the nature of humankinds relationship to nature and to the supernatural from peter b hammands an introduction to cutural and social anthropology second ed macmillion page 387 im not sure that you can distinguish between myth and legend so neatly or at all a myth is more than a single story the thought structure and world paradigm in which that story is interpreted is as important a part of the myth as the story itself thus i can think of no story which is meant to be conveyed understandably from one person to another within a single culture which wont rest upon that underlying thought structure and thus transmit some of that cultures mythical truths along with it randy windows head to head win and os 2 after hearing endless debate read name calling over which os is better dos and windows or os 2 and finally having enought resourses to play with a couple of different operating systems i have decided to put the two products to a head to head test as so many fellow newsposters have suggested i have however no desire whatsoever to use a version of os 2 which wont really do what it says i e run windows apps os 2 2 0 2 1 will not run windows apps in 386 enhansed mode something that most larger windows apps require but os 2 2 2 which is supposed to be in beta test is supposed to i have heard that os 2 2 2 beta is available via ftp and i was wondering if anyone knew where to obtain a copy i would appreciate any information as i would like once and for all to establish for myself which is the best os for my needs robbie z shererrg sfasu edu cars re lh workmanship in article 1993apr15 203750 25764 walter bellcore com jchen ctt bellcore com writes i just visited the ny auto show and saw two lh cars on the floor eagle vision and dodge intrepid at a competitive price unfortunately the workmanship is quite disappointing on both cars the rubber seals around the window and door fell off it turns out the seals are just big grooved rubber band it goes on just by pressing through a single data point you can draw any line you want dr s bart childs professor texas a m dept of computer science both my pastors late model corolla and my fathers 1987 stanza have demonstrated the falling door seals problem daryl biberdorf n5gjm d biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr15 135941 16105 lmpsbbs comm mot com dougb comm mot com doug bank writes here is another anecdotal story i am a picky eater and never wanted to try chinese food however i finally tried some in order to please a girl i was seeing at the time i had never heard of chinese restaurant syndrome a group of us went to the restaurant and all shared 6 different dishes it didnt taste great but i decided it wasnt so bad we went home and went to bed early i woke up at 2 am and puked my guts outs i threw up for so long that im not kidding i pulled a muscle in my tongue dry heaves and everything no one else got sick and im not allergic to anything that i know of suffice to say that i wont go into a chinese restaurant unless i am physically threatened the smell of the food makes me ill and that is a psycholgical reaction when i have been dragged in to suffer through beef and broccoli without any sauces i insist on no msg i havent gotten sick yet i had a similar reaction to chinese food but came to a completly different conclusion ive eaten chinese food for ages and never had problems i went with some chinese malaysian friends to a swanky chinses rest and they ordered lots of stuff i had never seen before the only thing i can remember of that meal was the first course scallops served in the shell with a soy type sauce i thought well ive only had scallops once and i was sick after but that could have been a coincidence that night as i sat on the bathroom floor sweating and emptying my stomach the hard way i decided i would never touch another scallop i may not be allergic but i dont want to take the chance amy mossman baseball re notes on jays vs indians series in article 1993apr15 212014 1782 news acns nwu edu edo casbah acns nwu edu edward ouellette writes my point rbi might not be a perfect stat but nothing is and no stat or lack of can tell me there are no clutch hitters maybe no stat can tell me either but some people are i just know it 8 i was hoping somebody would mention clutch clutch baerga the two words simply do not go together with runners in scoring position baerga batted 308 366 418 last year this doesnt quite suck but most batters hit better in this situation alomar he hit 354 439 517 with runners in scoring position the difference alomar had 68 rbis in 147 such ab baerga had 81 rbis in 182 such ab baerga got 25 more chances yet succeeded only 20 more times frankly i dont believe in clutch but if i did my vote would go to alomar for mvp let alone best 2b in the al valentine cars changing m t oil on m89 maxima hello again another question i just got my hands on 2 quarts of readline gear oil at 7 a quart now i need to know how to throw it into my car i own an 89 nissan maxima se any ideas can i mix the oil in there with this stuff or should i drain first then only use this stuff if you know where if there is one the drain plug on the manual transmission on the maxima is i would really appreciate any comments also have any of you maxima owners thied this stuff in your cars thanks in adv sammy cars re replacement custom seats where to get in article 1993apr26 154428 17764 colorado edu jerry bowman bowmanj csn org writes what car are we talking about if its camaro chevelle gto nova etc there are a bunch of places to get them a 68 corvette but i dont want to put corvette seats in it the original seats are in exc shape but they are uncomfortable as hell im going to store those and find a set to drive in i have all the vette catalogs but im looking for a more generic type seat i can modify the brackets but cushion height and overall width are a concern ive looked through some local boneyards without success i would just like to find a pair of cheapos to use this summer tom cars 1993 infiniti g20 i am thinking about getting an infiniti g20 in consumer reports it is ranked high in many catagories including highest in reliability index for compact cars mitsubushi galant was second followed by honda accord a couple of things though 1 in looking around i have yet to see anyone driving this car i see lots of hondas and toyotas 2 there is a special deal where i can get an infinity g20 fully loaded at dealer cost i have check this out and the numbers match up they are doing this because they are releasing and update mid 1993 version includes dual air bags and want to get rid of their old 1993s i guess my question is is this a good deal also can anyone give me any feedback on infiniti thanks carl hoffman p s the other cars that i have test driven and which are in the running are mitsubishi galant honda accord and toyota camary guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in 1r600finndlu cronkite central sun com dbernard clesun central sun com writes in article 5589 news eng convex com gardner convex com steve gardner writes in article 1r3j2k da2 menudo uh edu hadcrjam admin uh edu miller jimmy a writes minor quibble the assualt and it was one began near dawn the fire did not break out for several hours minor quibble back at you i am in the same general area as the koresh compound and i can tell you that the air was quite chilly that morning especially with the high winds that were blowing of course the swiss cheese walls made it even worse you are correct wrt the idea of some heating being nice that morning but part of that line was also for the guy who said minutes later the fires started i did forget how cool it was that day those choppers flying around didnt make the wind any more still either when you got 30 40 mph winds swinging across the texas plain a couple of hueys dont add one whole hell of a lot semper fi jammer jim miller texas a m university 89 and 91 i dont speak for uh which is too bad because they could use the help become one with the student billing system be the student billing system power finds its way to those who take a stand stand up ordinary man rik emmet gil moore mike levine triumph baseball re why is barry bonds not batting 4th st1ge elroy uh edu edward hui writes in article 1993apr21 032427 22464 leland stanford edu punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi writes as the heading indicates it is impossible for me to fathom why barry is not batting 4th for the giants behind will clark barry is such an awesome and consistent hitter definitely the best in the national league imho to have williams a streaky hitter and not really a clutch hitter batting 4th ahead of bonds is simply an injustice to the giants and fans of the giants 2 simple reasons 2 having bonds batting behind williams means that matt will get more good pitches to hit this is important since he struggles so much with breaking balls opposing pitchers dont want to walk williams to get to bonds i dont understand this at all matt williams has demonstrated throughout his career that he will not wait for good pitches to hit he wont take walks hed rather swing if im the opposing pitcher why would i groove a fastball to williams and have him hit it well when i know that williams will swing and miss or at least not hit very well at a low and away curve john franjione department of chemical engineering university of colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu religion re after 2000 years can we say that christian m in 1qksc2 2mr fido asd sgi com livesey solntze wpd sgi com writes in article 1qkoel 5fr horus ap mchp sni de frank d012s658 uucp frank odwyer writes good question my point was that a world with truth is better than a world with falsehood a world in which it were possible to say yes i am holding a jew the truth and you me the jew and the ss guy all sit down to crack open a bottle of whiskey is better than the grim alternatives you present obviously this is not possible and the best alternative seems to be to lie thats because other values are involved such as life now that is just my opinion dont confuse the claim objective morality exists with the claim i have a lock on morals i think that at this point it would actually be quite easy to confuse objective morality with relative morality jon actually jon that is quite true christian people have caused objective morality to look very relative after all that was the point of the original question in this thread i e can we toss out christianity because it is so obviously inconsistent with its own principles if you will bear with me i will attempt to explain this apparent inconsistency from at least one christians viewpoint if god exists and is the creator of mankind as the bible claims then he has a pretty well defined concept of what makes people tick physically emotionally etc god has an objective morality for us that is to say he has no trouble understanding what is good for or detrimental to the creature he created galatians 2 10 for we mankind are his workmanship created in christ jesus for good works a morality which god prepared beforehand a well defined design that we might walk in them however contrary to what many people assume including the pharasees of the bible gods morality cannot be completely codified in a list of rules and regulations to some extent every activity of a persons life creates a new situation to which morality must be applied there never could be enough volumes to codify gods objective morality for us throughout history mankind has tried to reduce morality to a list of rules objectivity if you please in the old testament we have both principles and specific rules by the time of jesus most of the principles were obscured by the emphasis men had placed on the rules volumes of additional rules had been made to try to codify the application of the principles we mankind werent comfortable with the subjectivity of principles for reference see matthew 5 where jesus explains the difference between the law and the principles of the law for example in verses 21 22 you have heard that the ancients were told you shall not commit murder and whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court but i say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be liable to the court the objective morality of god gets blurred by our inept interpretation of it we christians have made our biggest errors when we have allowed any one person or group of people decide exactly what god intended for us if we christians would stay committed to seeking gods will instead of trying to prove we already had it all figured out we might do a better job of allowing others to find gods objective morality for themselves if jesus is who he said he was is and thats the fundamental question then he is objective morality john nunnally windows re why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse in article 1993apr23 140123 5018 cti com rlister cti com russell lister writes from rlister cti com russell lister subject re why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse date fri 23 apr 1993 14 01 23 gmt ecktons ucs byu edu sean eckton writes i have a microsoft serial mouse and am using mouse com 8 00 was using 8 20 i think but switched to 8 00 to see if it was any better vertical motion is nice and smooth but horizontal motion is so bad i sometimes cant click on something because my mouse jumps around i can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit then jump to the right then move smoothly for a bit then jump again maybe this time to the left about 5 inch this is crazy i have never had so much trouble with a mouse before anyone have any solutions does microsoft think they are what everyone should be just venting steam ive seen this problem several times it was always the result of the little rollers inside the mouse becomming dirty they are good at collecting grime the solution is simple remove the ball to reveal the two rollers carefully clean them and the ball dennis guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in 23apr199314304189 rigel tamu edu mst4298 rigel tamu edu writes in article 93112 153005mgb slacvm slac stanford edu mgb slacvm slac stanford edu writes from a p according to numerous accounts by those in the compound the fire was started by an armoured vehicle crushing a large propane tank and turning over numerous gas lanterns if there was a large propane tank and it was breached dont you think that there would be an identifiable explosion there was at least one blast consistent with petroleum products that i saw however propane is interesting stuff it doesnt explode on contact with air it is possible for a tank to rupture without exploding far more likely however is that the compound was equipped with ng outlets running to the tank damage from the cevs could have ruptured the gas lines allowing the gas to spread unnoticed in the cs fumes and general excitement propane typically has a distinctive odor added to it for just this reason to smell leaks until reaching a flame or spark and then whooosh fire everywhere and maybe an explosion use of ng is pretty common in texas especially semi rural areas further the bd members have as much reason to lie as the govt this is true but so far the fbi batf track record on this incident is very bad i find it tremendously chilling that so many people seem willing to accept the governments story despite much evidence to the contrary the only evidence that exists right now at least what we know about is various claims and counter claims im waiting until the hard evidence is released what about you i think it would have disarmed many people if the fbi followed this same policy they have not they are making claims without evidence and what evidence we have so far tends to refute their story semper fi jammer jim miller texas a m university 89 and 91 i dont speak for uh which is too bad because they could use the help become one with the student billing system be the student billing system power finds its way to those who take a stand stand up ordinary man rik emmet gil moore mike levine triumph guns re nature of the waco gas in article 1993apr23 130234 23728 icd ab com kdw icd ab com kenneth d whitehead writes saw a real interesting report on cnn last night it seems the gas that was used has been banned by international law for military use however our president was quick to point out that there are exemptions for law enforcement hmmm too inhumane to use in war against the enemy but ok for civilians whoa think twice now unless you want the same standards applied to hollowpoints cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet religion re to rob lanphier in article 1993apr23 181843 20224 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 wrote kent with regards to the information contained in the bible which is the original context of this thread brian kendig is inside a huge wall brian is inside the bible and the information contained therein are outside the wall brian kendig proves this very sad fact by the absurd things he says for example if i get through into the firey pit i will cease to exist the bible doesnt say that he hasnt a clue even to what jesus said about hell that is but one example looking at your discussion i would say that you both operate from your own reference frame theres no inside and no outside there are just two polarized views as for statements inside the bible things are still not that clear we dont have any indications for instance why jobs was placed in the old testament one of the few books that actually talks about satan jobs is very much out of line with the rest of the ot books and theres a chance that someone added this book later into the group of ot scriptures now in your sense kent of sensing reality that is a different matter and to you and to brian relativity does play a big role what we perceive to be true depends on our vantage point since i have read the bible and brian kendig shows that he hasnt he has a narrower perspective than mine at least in the respect of knowledge of the bible i am proposing to brian brian come up here and take a look from this vantage point but brian replies i rather not thank you i am content where i am besides the vista from up there stinks and in the meanwhile brian ignores the facts that he has never up there nor does he realize i had shared the same plateau where brian now stands this operates the other way around as well you have to understand the mind of an atheist agnostic or as in my case a radical relativist if you dont understand the underlying concepts it is pretty hard to continue with a dialogue im not a perfect christian however about 20 years of christian teaching should have provided me with a pretty good picture of the christian mind frame cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net medicine experts on edward jenner look i am a student from san leandro high school i am doing a research project for physics and i would like information on edward jenner and the vaccination for small pox any information at all would be greatly apprectiated thank you baseball re jack morris in 1993apr19 024222 11181 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes hey valentine i dont see boston with any world series rings on their fingers damn morris now has three and probably the hall of fame in his future therefore i would have to say toronto easily made the best signing and dont tell me boston will win this year they wont even be in the top 4 in the division more like 6th yeah valentine how many rings does clemens have nothin like good old fashioned canadian logic btw the only good thing i can say about the jays rotation this year is that it could have been worse stewart might have stayed healthy cordially as always maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time guns re the pill for deer no hunting in article 1993apr14 182610 2330 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes in article 1993apr14 120958 11363 synapse bms com hambidge bms com writes the second amendment is about sovereignty not sporting goods perfectly correct but it wont make any difference i agree sad but true self defense is a valid reason for rkba the vast majority get through life without ever having to own use or display a firearm besides there are other means of self protection which can be just as effective as firearms please name one freedoms and rights are not dependent on public opinion necessity or scientific scrutiny new to this planet everything is dependent on either public or political opinion usually political to imagine that inalienable rights are somehow wired into the vast cold cosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion upon which our bill of rights is based some delusion no arguments against rkba can withstand scientific scrutiny they dont have to like so many other things the issue is one of perception rather than boring statistics every time some young innocent is gunned down in a drive by every time some kid is murdered for a jacket every time a store clerk is executed for three dollars in change every time some moron kills his wife because she took the last beer from the fridge every time someone hears a bang in the night the rkba dies the stats are not all that clearly behind firearms the protection factor does not strongly outweigh the mindless mayhem factor given society as we now experience it it seems safer to get rid of as many guns as possible that may be an error but enough active voters believe in that course if this were not true in practice then certain unethical politicians would not be passing gun control laws politicians are generally whores to public opinion this does not mean the the public is either well informed or correct as for the stats anyone can support anything with the right stats the right stats from what ive seen are sometimes even used to support conflicting sides of the same issue how do you intend to silence rkba supporters talk all you want talk about the good old days when you used to own firearms after a while such talk will take on the character of war stories and no one will be very interested anymore used to own firearms while armed insurrection as the ffs of the const may have envisioned seems to me a somewhat fanatical approach to avoiding this political protest is still an option at this point i agree that its argueably not enough and or too late if all else fails theres always pvc pipe and cosmoline chris miller chris morningstar com my opinions are my own obviously and by definition do not reflect the opinions of anyone else guns re atf burns dividian ranch update nut case panics realizes hes made a complete fool of himself in front of thousands of netters backs away from earlier rash statements god have mercy on him cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes i am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines v4 i dont know of any v4s i dont know of any i4s and flat4s are abundant v6 legend mr3 mr6 a whole h tload minivans pickups just about any car above the subcompact compact range and below the full size range with a few exceptions i6s are much more rare now the only one i personally know of thats still in production is the venerable ford 300cid in the f series pickups i think that jeeps big 6s are also straight sixes but im not a big jeep person v8 dont know of any where are you to not know of v8s there are mustangs cadillacs lincolns camaros corvettes thunderbirds all real full size pickups crown vics chevy moby h h h hcaprice and even a few japanese and european vee hickles with v8s v10 dodge viper dodge promises a truck with a v10 v12 jaguar xjs dont ferarri and lamborghini both use v 12s extensively james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven baseball re darrrrrrrrryl in article mssc5kcru 5ip netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes that exuberance disappeared immediately however when strawberry went into a tirade at the man all reports indicate he used a lot of profanity and accused the man of interference and therefore of costing the dodgers a game shortly afterwards other fans hurled food and beverages toward the man who made the catch dodger stadium officials started to remove him from the park but then relented and just relocated him to another area in an interview after the game lasorda blamed the fan for the loss strawberry also went into a tirade about how the fans are stupid and they dont care about winning l a times columnists similarly blasted the man who made the catch sounds like darryl being darryl tommy spending too much time on slim fast and needs a pasta fix and the media being their usual charming selves sounds like a new york like story to me i saw the replay and am wondering what the big deal is i didnt realize the folks in la were making a big to do about it i think stawberry lasorda and the various media types should sit and watch the replay then apologize to the fan others have questioned why darryl should be so concerned with what the fan did when he has a grand total of 1 rbi through the first nine games darryl has not gotten off to a good start he has to blame someone but i guess the big debate continues as to what are the responsibilities of the fan as long as the fan doesnt interfere with the play i see no problems scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe lets go mets baseball re hbp bb big cat in article c5r7tv 36s odin corp sgi com kubey sgi com ken kubey writes i suppose a foul ball machine like brett butler is pretty valuable but id rather watch and root for the lower obp guys who can actually hit the ball and id rather watch and root for a team that scores lots of runs and wins games of course im rooting for the rockies and andres anyway but thats for irrational hometown reaons i also root for frank thomas david paschich guns luser awesley wrote that was the entire point to you what exactly did i claim ive heard eye witness descriptions of tanks using their main guns to respond to sniper fire quite effectively i wasnt wrong ive heard those descriptions if youre paying attention ive mentioned that i saw the tanks with my own eyes but the main gun firing was an account i heard that helps people judge whether or not to kick in the to use your words bullshit filters stating that i claimed this is a falsehood later in the same post another part of my memories was that while most damaged building were burnt some were in rubble based on what i remember i was and am inclined to believe an old sarge or two fine now you are stating that you believe their claims or that you are inclined to see below for a stronger statement of your beliefs those claims are still ludicrous however previously awesley had written you can also read of the troops using grenade launchers prompting me to write to fire fragmentary grenades i doubt that as well to fire concussion grenades perhaps to fire tear gas certainly but you would be perfectly willing to let us believe they fired frags wouldnt you since it makes your other claim seem more plausible to which awesley replied john again strawman techniques do you feel youre losing it so you have to stretch what i said and knock that down what i read said nothing about what they fired and so i put nothing in there if you need some help let me know and il take your side of this for a while youre not scoring here youre boring here but why did you mention grenade launchers at all because it supports the notion that the tanks shelled buildings and it supports that notion because it conjures images of troops launching fragmentary grenades but that too is ludicrous i wrote if tanks had fired their main guns in detroit people would have been screaming about it for the past two and half decades i would know about it awesley relied glad to know youre such an expert nice to hear some an authority i especially appreciate your basis of knowledge if it had happened you would have know it since you are such an authority you probably know that people did scream about an alleged massive cover up in the number of people killed in the detroit riot some claimed 100 dead others said 300 the offical number is 43 but the concise columbia encyclopedia says it was several ive also heard some things about that but i wont dare repeat them youd assert that i claimed they were truth yes if it happened i would have heard about it everybody would have army tanks dont fire their cannons in american cities in the 1960s without it becoming common knowledge without minority leaders seizing on it and condemning it over and over again without civil libertarians saying this has gone far enough so yes my never hearing of it was the basis for my disbelieving the claim now i have more reasons to disbelieve it not one poster has written to say yes i lived in detroit at that time and everybody knew that the tanks had fired shells this is the usenet if it had happened somebody here would remember it furthermore your own research failed to come up with any support for the claim the claim is extraordinary and it has no supporting evidence extraordinary or not unless you count the brags of a couple of guardsmen shooting the shit i do not i wrote unless you also claim that the national guard managed to cover it up awesley wrote taking the tour after the riots it was pretty easy to tell the difference between army and guard troops or so i recall from 26 years ago and i seem to recall it was the army running the tanks so it would have been an army cover up quibble fine it was an army cover up six years in the reserves has taught me the difference also but do you think that in two and half decades not one guilt ridden participant has come forward and said yes i shelled americans or i gave the orders to fire the cannons or i helped cover it up i wrote if your mind is open enough to believe that well good for you i prefer to live in reality and here in reality i find it hard to believe that those tanks even had any shells much less fired them awesley replied given the level in destruction in detroit im quite willing to believe that they did fire their guns good then we can drop the junk about you not claiming that they did your belief fails a basic reality check why isnt it known awesley concludes now then weve bored the shit out of anyone whose bothered to read this far and all youve managed to say is that you dont believe the account i cited actually now we have established that i dont believe what you believe as well as why i dont believe it and if its boring then i yield the last word to you if you want it you may say anything you like with impunity i am dropping the subject john l scott medicine re health care reform in article 1993mar28 200619 5371 cnsvax uwec edu nyeda cnsvax uwec edu david nye writes and may be a total disaster and that the canadian model is preferable a position with which i agree the other is surprising sympathy for the physicians in all of this to the effect that beating up on us wont help anything im not sure about that did you see the poll they took that showed that most people thought physicians should be paid 80 000 per year tops thats all i make but i doubt that most physicians are going to work very hard for that kind of bread many wouldnt be able to service their med school debts on that mike royko had a good column about it gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon medicine re ob gyn residency in article 1993apr20 004158 6122 cnsvax uwec edu david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu writes i believe it is illegal for a residency to discriminate against fmgs is that true i know some that wont even interview fmgs i think a case could be made that this is discriminatory particularly if an applicant had good board scores and recommendations but wasnt offered an interview but i dont know if it has ever gone to court fmgs who are not citizens are like all aliens in a difficult situation only citizens get to vote here so non citizens are of little or no interest to legislators also the non citizen may well be in the middle of processing for resident alien status there is a stron sense that rocking the boat eg suing a residency program will delay the granting of that status perhaps for ever don mackie his opinions windows why does my window 3 1 restart my computer files 30 buffers 30 device c windows himem sys device c windows smartdrv exe double buffer stacks 9 256 and also my autoexec bat c vshield c windows smartdrv exe l rem mouseware 5 0 setup path c c dos c windows c fax c mouse c wp51 set temp c windows temp mouse ser 2 rem c dos share have you seen this problem before please help me out thanks hadi baseball re john franco date fri 23 apr 1993 00 03 11 gmt from tackey chan tac world std com wall cc swarthmore edu matthew wall writes so anybody know whats up with john franco are the mets just starting him off gingerly because of the small amount of spring training work or what the mets are really starting him off slow mike maddax and young can do the job of closing torborg has said that he franco is his closer but will give him rest and not rush him since there is no need he does not want franco to get hurt on his return i have this guy so i know what it is like to see him pitch 2 inns in that lat 2 weeks tac well they just said that franco will probably go on the dl tomorrow they mentioned a career minor leaguer as the warm body who would go along i forget also when answering questions about the rotation coleman sd broadcaster said that hurst is gone in about a month month and a half which is when he should finish re hab later dennis dennis parslow that better be a korean good troy ny 12180 luck symbol remo williams p00421 psilink com medicine re centrifuge mr blue car access digex com wrote could somebody explain to me what a centrifuge is and what it is used for i vaguely remembre it being something that spins test tubes around really fast but i cant remember why youd want to do that purely recreational they get bored sitting in that rack all the time bob i only smile when i lie you can learn more in a bar and ill tell you why than you can in a lawyers office were these more than just my opinions they would have cost a bit more cars review 1989 ford taurus sho gk occasionally i have trouble shifting into reverse the shifter gk refuses to enter the gate and i often grind the synchros trying to gk get it into gear ill be watching this carefully in the next couple gk of months enter 1st wait 2 3 seconds and then go into reverse they use the same synchros and youll never at least i havent ground em to fit when using this technique the cutting edge bbs cutting hou tx us a pcboard 14 5a system houston texas usa 1 713 466 1525 running uupcb cars re dirty diesels in article 10262 ceylon gte com hhd0 harvey gte com horace dediu writes in article nataraja 735341980 opal12 nataraja rtsg mot com kumaravel natarajan writes i heard the diesels are considered cleaner burning than gas engines because the emit less of carbon monoxide hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen co hc nox but they can put out a lot of particulate matter i heard something about legislation being discussed to clean up diesel emissions is there anything in the works to install scrubbers for diesels how about the feasibility of installing them on trucks and cars would it be any different than a catylitic converter id assume easier since were removing particulate matter instead of converting gasses lets hear peoples opinions this really bugs me the emissions of diesels are the cleanest of any vechicle but they are considered so polluting that they are banned in passenger cars in california what a bunch of crap diesel is the fuel of choice for enviromental benefit in europe while here its illegal for the same reason the particulates are nothing but carbon they are just an annoyance at worst nothing beats the diesel cycle for efficiency and emissions torque or engine durability its also cheaper diesels fall into the same emissions mythology as alcohol fuels the main reason they are considered cleaner is because they are better at the emissions we actually measure and regulate but they also contribute additional emissions which have long been determined to be as harmful but no suitable control or limits have been defined current evidence is pointing to most visible smog actually being diesel emissions and suspended particles and less of a photo chemical reaction diesel particulates are now becoming a major concern in decreased lung capacity and alcohols emit signifcantly more aldehydes a known carcinigen than gasoline the evidence is mounting that while we have been beating the gasoline engine to death we may have been ignoring the effects of the alternatives and anyone who thinks diesels are so great should go and spend a few hours in rush hour traffic in some cities in europe there the stench of the diesels is awful and it can even burn the eyes diesels being clean is only relative to our current standards mark baseball wfan does any one out there listen to wfan for those of you who do not know what i am talking about it is an all sports radio staion in new york on a clear night the signal reaches up and down the east coast in particular i want to know how len berman and mike lupicas show is i go to school in virginia so i cant listen when there are on during the day just wondering jonathan alboum uva ps did any one see steve sommers on 48 hours last night the chief was on too doing rangers round up it was pretty neat shmoozing s p o r t s on tv baseball fenway hi does anybody know the for ticket info for fenway thanks eugene s rhim dartmouth edu windows terminal woes i have a 486 33 vlb machine with a wang 96 24 fax modem when using the windows terminal application the only way i can get it to see the modem is to change it to com2 then go back and change it to com4 then it works fine i have it set to com4 as the port to use i dont have anything plugged into com2 and ive looked over the manual for all its worth but what am i missing the modem is jumpered for com4 irq3 which i understand means i cant use the second serial port and the modem at the same time but im not using the second serial port anyway also when using procomm for dos it always sees the modem and dials but doesnt always connect me when the other end answers dont know if that helps any thanks brian d reed bdr cbnewsg cb att com guns letter to david skaggs here is a letter i sent to david skaggs dem co before anybody says something yes the letter is a bit sharp in tone i have been writting reasonable and polite letters to him for years and all i get in return in the hci party line since he already is nra f rated i dont think that upsetting him will harm the cause sorry if you disagree but recent events in texas really have me pissed april 20 1993 representative skaggs recently i wrote to you regarding my outrage over the tactics used by the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms batf in texas in your response you stated that events in texas underscore the need for stricter gun control legislation to keep guns out of the hand of groups such as the branch davidians my question to you is what grounds would you use to deny them access to firearms best i can tell this statement underscores your apparent total ignorance of the subject and highlights your personal bias against firearms i say this because there are only two possible paths of gun control which you could have been referencing either 1 you were talking about their access to semi automatics firearms in this case i should point out that semi automatic firearms are legal in most areas of this country including texas and colorado in addition the members of the cult have never been convicted of any crimes which would deny them the ability to purchase these weapons so under what grounds would you deny them these guns their religion the fact they they live in a large group alone by themselves because you consider them to be a cult maybe i consider your church to be a cult this line of reasoning by you borders on the concept of thought crimes you and pat robertson should really get along 2 you were referring to the alleged fully automatic weapons possessed by the cult under current us law fully automatic weapons have been covered by some of the strictest gun control laws in this nation so if david koresh illegally possessed them he would have had to circumvent some of the strictest laws we have how will more laws help by the way it has been reported that david koresh possessed a federal firearms license which would have permitted him to possess fully automatic weapons if true the 85 people who perished monday in the fire died so that the federal government could collect a couple hundred dollars in taxes on guns david koresh didnt declare i have heard claims that they were stockpiling weapons yet considering the number of people in the complex even 200 weapons would not have been out of line with gun ownership statistics for all of texas whats next a siege of dallas ft worth for alleged stockpiling face it david skaggs you have voted for virtually every gun control law that has passed through congress yet you claim that you are only for reasonable restrictions bull handgun control inc is struggling to maintain 250 000 paid members while the nra has just exceeded 3 000 000 members they are still growing at a rate of 2 000 new members per day driving around your district i see nra stickers every day in eight plus years of living here i have only seen one hci bumper sticker when you vote for your reasonable gun control laws are you really representing your district or are you representing sarah bradys thank you william j vojak april 20 1993 representative skaggs recently i wrote to you regarding my outrage over the tactics used by the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms batf in texas in your response you stated that events in texas underscore the need for stricter gun control legislation to keep guns out of the hand of groups such as the branch davidians my question to you is what grounds would you use to deny them access to firearms best i can tell this statement underscores your apparent total ignorance of the subject and highlights your personal bias against firearms i say this because there are only two possible paths of gun control which you could have been referencing either 1 you were talking about their access to semi automatics firearms in this case i should point out that semi automatic firearms are legal in most areas of this country including texas and colorado in addition the members of the cult have never been convicted of any crimes which would deny them the ability to purchase these weapons so under what grounds would you deny them these guns their religion the fact they they live in a large group alone by themselves because you consider them to be a cult maybe i consider your church to be a cult this line of reasoning by you borders on the concept of thought crimes you and pat robertson should really get along 2 you were referring to the alleged fully automatic weapons possessed by the cult under current us law fully automatic weapons have been covered by some of the strictest gun control laws in this nation so if david koresh illegally possessed them he would have had to circumvent some of the strictest laws we have how will more laws help by the way it has been reported that david koresh possessed a federal firearms license which would have permitted him to possess fully automatic weapons if true the 85 people who perished monday in the fire died so that the federal government could collect a couple hundred dollars in taxes on guns david koresh didnt declare i have heard claims that they were stockpiling weapons yet considering the number of people in the complex even 200 weapons would not have been out of line with gun ownership statistics for all of texas whats next a siege of dallas ft worth for alleged stockpiling face it david skaggs you have voted for virtually every gun control law that has passed through congress yet you claim that you are only for reasonable restrictions bull handgun control inc is struggling to maintain 250 000 paid members while the nra has just exceeded 3 000 000 members they are still growing at a rate of 2 000 new members per day driving around your district i see nra stickers every day in eight plus years of living here i have only seen one hci bumper sticker when you vote for your reasonable gun control laws are you really representing your district or are you representing sarah bradys thank you william j vojak bill vojak vojak icebucket stortek com nra ila colorado firearms coalition the cbs nightly propaganda with dan rather rather not the cbs nightly propaganda with dan rather rather biased cars van step van accessory help hello netters i would like to find out information about a device that is used on vans and trucks this device is a step that hooks onto the tire and folds up for storage ive seen this device on tnns shady tree mechanic i would like to know if it is a good product and i would also like the price and address of where i can purchase this product thanks george chan email syst8145 ryevm ryerson ca medicine re bursitis and laser treatment in article 1993apr17 190104 14072 freenet carleton ca ab961 freenet carleton ca robert allison writes my family doctor and the physiotherapist pt she sent me to agree that the pain in my left shoulder is bursitis i have an appointment with an orthpod i love that its short for orthopedic surgeon apparently but while im waiting the pt is treating me shes using hot packs ultrasound and lasers but theres no improvement yet in fact i almost suspect its getting worse my real question is about the laser treatment i cant easily imagine what the physical effect that could have on a deep tissue problem can anyone shed some light so to speak on the matter if it works its only due to the heat produced by the laser philippe baseball yankee bullpen help buck showalter just cant win bob wickmans pitching the game of his life through eight innings yanks lead 6 1 so buck decides to let the kid try and get his first complete game wickman manages to get two outs but in between four funs score and all of a sudden its 6 5 and wickman just cant get the third out so buck goes to the bullpen and farr gets out the first guy he faces last night jimmy key is pitching another in a long string of games of his life this guy just keeps getting better through eight innings yanks lead 4 0 this time buck thinks i dont want a repeat of that near fiasco with wickman so ill give my bullpen some work steve howe whose era was 54 00 coming into the game left with it at 81 00 he didnt do too good then farr comes in he gives up a two run homer and the royals win it 6 5 whats going on this is already the third or fourth time this year that the bullpen has blown a lead farr howe have done it twice together monteleones done it once and i think even habyan did it once whats the deal we finally have terrific starting pitching so all of a sudden our bullpen turns to shit whats buck gonna do and whats george gonna do if this continues to happen alan windows upgrading to windows nt id like to appeal to the nets nt wizards for a bit of advice first a general description of the machine as follows motherboard utron 33 mhz opti chipset 20 meg memory 256kb cache soon i hope to drop a dx2 chip into it fahrenheit 1280 video 1 meg 1024x768x256 proaudio spectrum 16 sound board primary disk connor cp30174 on a caching ide controller secondary disk conner cp30174 as slave on same controller tertiary disk fujitsu 650 meg on superstore esdi controller planned future disks include scsi hd and cd rom on pas16 scsi port tape drive is a colorado jumbo 250 on the floppy controller future tape drive may be a dat on the scsi interface other hardware includes modem fax serial ports and a teletext board ugly dos software drives the latter applications used include normal windows stuff excel word quicken and turbo pascal windows but the important stuff is my audio work environment which includes turtle beach wave for windows mcs stereo and other misc stuff for dinking around with audio files also i use stacker on the primary drive hp newwave for my wifes use and she wont let me get rid of it and a product called infinite disk from chili pepper software for hierarchical storage management of my seldom used offline files i plan to upgrade to nt when it becomes a released product i was stongly tempted to become a beta user early on but i dont have time to mess around with the hassles of beta software i expect to buy it tear off the shrink wrap and use it without hassle i know unrealistic but i can hope cant i after all i have work to do the advice i want concerns the state of nt regarding device drivers and hardware specific stuff in general how smoothly can i expect the upgrade to go can i expect support for all my stuff or do i still need to scramble around downloading drivers pas orchid colorado from some bbs etc what steps should i take to ensure the installation goes smoothly note that i want to nuke dos totally from the system im allergic to command lines i plan to run a pure nt system also will nt communicate with the workgroups lan what about stacker i currently have stacker on the first disk drive without stacker and the infinite disk product i will have great difficulty fitting everything i have on the system its cramped now i realize stacker will be incompatible with nt but will there be an nt version or will nt support compression a la dos 6 i know infinite disk will be incompatible with nt but will they offer or does anybody else a comparable product for nt and at what cost perhaps i need to ask chili pepper that question i can live without id if i have to but id rather not will nt run my dos apps the teletext board mainly without dos on the system what do i need to keep around any feedback or advice including forget nt with good reasons is much appreciated my only significant reason for moving to nt is i need a better multitasking environment than windows among other reasons wave locks up the machine for hours and hours doing dsp processing on large audio files and i want better lan support than i now have internet access etc maybe there are better solutions than nt and if so i would appreciate hearing about them os 2 whats its status these days pls respond by email and if there is interest ill summarize for the net thanks nathan gregory p00211 psilink com baseball re seattle bb was re al stats and standings in article 1r8rctinn8dd senator bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes in article franjion 735549550 spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjione writes griffey well most of it are intentional walks are you sure about this id say pitching around him is more likely yeah maybe that is more likely but from the mariners tigers series it seems like every time there are base runners the pitchers seem to purposely pitch around him or give him a free pass the funny thing was that griffey was struggling up until the last game of the four game series if i remember correctly chung yang cheers charles baseball two sport star trivia heres a few two sport star trivia questions ill admit theyre not too difficult but a bit challenging nevertheless mail me your answers please or post them 1 which pitcher played for the harlem globetrotters 2 which major leaguer briefly tried professional golf in 1978 3 which does dieon sanders have more of professionally career touchdowns or triples 4 has there been any player of both pro hockey and baseball if so name him and the years he played each if you have any other two sport star tidbits feel free to include them mike windows re how do i quickly switch between windows screen resolutions in 93721 hydra gatech edu ccastco prism gatech edu constantinos malamas writes in article c5qlr8 djl cbnewsl cb att com slg slgsun att com the idealistic cynic writes can someone out there tell me how to switch windows screen resolution quickly and easily i know that i can go back into install to do it take a look at ftp cica indiana edu at pub pc win3 util misc for a program caleld vswitch zip its as close to want you want as you can get in win3 1 i think george is referring to switch zip in the ftp pub pc win3 drivers video directory description reads switcher windows video mode switcher david white engineer goon fan son of my dad internet davidw auck irl cri nz fax 64 9 443 4737 windows q change icons forever hi anyone knows how can i change an icon forever and ever i mean not only in the program manager thanks in advance alejandro cifuentes h acifuent isluga puc cl medicine re cant breathe getting back to the original question in this thread i experienced breathing difficulties a few years ago similar to those described in my case it turned out that i was developing type i diabetes although i never sought direct confirmation of this from my doctor i think that the breathing problem was associated with the presence of ketones due to the diabetes i think that ketosis can occur in lesser degree if one is restricting their food intake drastically i dont know if this relevant in this case but you might ask your daughter if she has been eating properly steve kirchoefer 202 767 2862 code 6851 kirchoefer estd nrl navy mil naval research laboratory microwave technology branch washington dc 20375 5000 electronics sci and tech division cars re best radar detector valentine 1 ive had a valentine for about 9 months now and i agree that it is the best det ector available the point here is trust and reliability ive been able to tr ust the valentine more than any other detector ive owend if the valentine sa ys that there is a moderate to strong radar source in front of me then its mo re than likely to be a speed trap with my other detectors ive gotten so many falses that ive begun to ignore someo of the warnings because i didnt want t o drive like i had one foot on the brake and one on the gas pedal that directional indicator really really helps plus more info is almost alwa ys better than less info no matter how smart radar detectors get the human br ain is usually smarter so if im going to make a decisio based on information at hand i want all the info i can get plus if you divide the overall streng th of the radar signal by the number of bogeys reported youll find that each bogey is pretty weak and therefore not a radar threat with other detectors yo ull just get one strong warning my logic may be faulty on this but i think i t works okay although i must admit that i havent really noticed the reflection problem of one radar souce thomas medicine re what are the problems with nutrasweet aspartame in article 1993apr17 181013 3743 uvm edu hbloom moose uvm edu heather writes nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than sugar some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces when it degrades nutrasweet it is thought to form formaldehyde and known to for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate substances the real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde produced are high enough to cause significant damage as both are toxic to living cells all i can say is that i will not consume it aspartame is the methyl ester of a dipeptide so a product of its hydrolysis is going to be methanol which can then be oxidized to formaldehyde the amounts of methanol formed from the ingestion of aspartame containing foods are completely in the metabolic noise since youre forming equally minute amounts of methanol from other components of food all the time in studies involving administration of high doses of the additive blood methanol levels were undetectable methanol is a poison only in quantities seen in human poisonings say 5ml and above this is a consequence of its oxidation to formaldehyde and formic acid two quite reactive compounds which at high enough levels can damage tissues like the retina and kidney because at such high doses the bodys detoxification system is overwhelmed interestingly one treatment for early methanol poisoning is to get the person drunk on ethyl alcohol vodka or an equivalent thats because ethanol is metabolized preferentially over methanol by the enzymes in the liver if the methanol stays as methanol and isnt metabolized to formaldehyde it is actually relatively non toxic steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer windows mouse odometer hello do you know about a mouse odometer for windows i have seen one for the mac it is quite fun it records the distance in miles that the travels during use thanks in advance steve steven ruegsegger if you are a conservative when you are young smr2 po cwru edu you have no heart if you are a liberal when you are old you have no brain cars after market cruise controls specific questions howdy im a little new to this newsgroup but i would like to tap some of the knowledge and expertise available here the subject after market cruise controls the background i recently broke my ankle in a road bicycling accident 4 places five screws yuk in two weeks i will be returning to texas my home from my school byu in provo utah as you can imagine trying to drive nearly 1300 miles with a broken right ankle isnt just the epitome of a good time my car does not have a cruise control so i would have to do all the pedalling ha ha with my messed up ankle my question what is the general opinion of after market cruise control units i realize that a cheap cc cruise control from say pep boys isnt going to be as good as a factory or professionally installed unit if there is such a thing and i uderstand that i probably cant expect much in the way of accuracy looks and that sort of thing but anythings gotta be better than trying to drive with a hosed ankle i have a 1984 jeep cherokee 4 speed standard 4 4 2 5l engine with kettering sp ignition yknow distributor cap rotor that set up not electronic maybe you couldve guessed it being an 84 but im just trying to give information as completly as i can i found a cc unit for 80 bucks it seems to use the vehicles vacuum system instead of an electric servor motor is this good or bad if i did buy this cc which vacuum hose should i tap it has two speed sensors one magnetic and one that gets a signal from the negative side of the distributor kinda like a tach pick up or so i understand i can use either one which is best the manual says i read it in the store today that the magnetic axle set up is more accurate but harder to install is there really a big difference it has a sensor for the brake pedal just like other ccs but does not have a sensor for the clutch pedal so if i wasnt paying real close attention i might push the clutch in while the cruise is trying to get the speed up which would wind the engine up kinda high until i got my wits about me and turned the thing off im pretty coordinated so this doesnt bother me if it were for my girlfriends car then it would bother me but im ok with it the installation also calls for an attachment to a steady on brake signal and a switched on brake signal i think i can get a switched brake signal from the correct side of the brake light blade fuse am i right but im not sure where to get the steady on brake signal or for that matter what exactly it is any ideas as to what the manufaturer wants and where to get it i think i can figure the other things out like how to hook up the negative side tach type sensing gizmo and the cabin control unit and the ground and all that miscellaneous business but i need a little help with 1 is it worth the money and safety risk if any for such a device 2 is there any particularly good after market cc 3 are professionally installed ccs signifacantly better and worth the cabbage 4 if the unit i saw sorry no manufacturer or model number just that it is at pep boy and its 80 is sufficient for my simple needs how do i get the thing installed properly specifically the questions above my father and i built a veep volkswagen powered jeep cj 2a when i was in high school so i consider myself fairly good with tools electronics and cars so the installation doesnt scare me i just want to be certain that i get the thing installed correctly as my cherokee is just a wee bit more complicated than my veep i appreciate your time in reading my post and i would appreciate any expertise or opinion anybody has on the subject if you would like to share some of your wisdom please email as i dont get over this group very often but i check my mail all the time again thanks for any help anyone may have mike wieda mikew canc byu edu baseball re jack morris in article 1qt6ooinn7gd senator bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes the only really valid retort to valentine is werent the red sox trying to get morris too oh sure they said viola was their first choice afterwards but what should we have expected they would say lou wanted morris all along the idiot giving the man 40 million to play with is like giving a five year old a loaded uzi with the safety off the only question is how many shots he will get off before somebody is wise enough to take it away and dont tell me boston will win this year they wont even be in the top 4 in the division more like 6th if this is true it wont be for lack of contribution by viola so who cares i dont see why people expect boston to finish sixth the bottom four teams last year were essentially tied boston in seventh place had 73 wins the yankees and indians tied for fourth place had 76 wins now i should think it is obvious that the red sox improved more than the indians or tigers basically the red sox are stronger this year at 1b dh ss lf and rf they have healthier starting pitchers so far at least and better relievers i see no reason why they shouldnt win 85 games meanwhile the indians are in shambles and the tigers still have no pitching they will win some 20 3 blowouts but they will lose an awful lot of 7 5 games too maybe the sox will play poorly win 78 games and finish fifth but i think third or fourth place is more likely cheers valentine baseball re mel hall in article 1993apr17 212119 13901 coe montana edu warped cs montana edu doug dolven writes has anyone heard anything about mel hall this season id heard he wasnt with the yankees any more what happened to him doug dolven mel is alive and well and playing in japan the yanks let him go because he was asking for too much money and because they thought that they were going to get barry bonds making hall obsolete oopsie well at least they got oneill to replace the mel man im outta here like vladimir alan scene from real genius where val kilmer is trying to pick up a gorgeous blonde val so if theres anything i can do for you or more to the point to you you just let me know blonde can you hammer a six inch spike through a board with your penis val not right now no blonde a girls gotta have her standards she walks away guns waco clinton press conference part 2 here is a press release from the white house president clintons remarks on waco with q a to national desk contact white house office of the press secretary 202 456 2100 washington april 20 u s newswire following are remarks by president clinton in a question and answer session with the press part 2 of 2 go ahead sarah q there are two questions i want to ask you the first is i think that they knew very well that the children did not have gas masks while the adults did so the children had no chance because this gas was very she said it was not lethal but it was very dangerous to the children and they could not have survived without gas masks and on february 28th lets go back didnt those people have a right to practice their religion the president they were not just practicing their religion they were the treasury department believed that they had violated federal laws any number of them q what federal laws the president let me go back and answer i cant answer the question about the gas masks except to tell you that the whole purpose of using the tear gas was that it had been tested they were convinced that it wouldnt kill either a child or an adult but it would force anybody that breathed it to run outside and one of the things that ive heard i dont want to get into the details of this because i dont know but one of the things that they were speculating about today was that the wind was blowing so fast that the windows might have been opened and some of the gas might have escaped and that may be why it didnt have the desired effect they also knew sarah that there was an underground compound a bus buried underground where the children could be sent and they were i think they were hoping very much that if the children were not released immediately outside that the humane thing would be done and that the children would be sent someplace where they could be protected in terms of the gas masks themselves i learned yesterday i did not ask this fact question before that the gas was supposed to stay active in the compound longer than the gas masks themselves were to work so that it was thought that even if they all had gas masks that eventually the gas would force them out in a nonviolent nonshooting circumstance ms myers last question q mr president why are you still saying that q could you tell us whether or not you ever asked janet reno about the possibility of a mass suicide and when you learned about the actual fire and explosion what went through your mind during those horrendous moments the president what i asked janet reno is if they had considered all the worse things that could happen and she said and of course the whole issue of suicide had been raised in the public he had that had been debated anyway and she said that the people who were most knowledgeable about these kinds of issues concluded that there was no greater risk of that now than there would be tomorrow or the next day or the day after that or at anytime in the future that was the judgment they made whether they were right or wrong of course we will never know what happened when i saw the fire when i saw the building burning i was sick i felt terrible and my immediate concern was whether the children had gotten out and whether they were escaping or whether they were inside trying to burn themselves up thats the first thing i wanted to know thank you q mr president why are you still saying it was a janet reno decision isnt it in the end your decision the president well what im saying is that i didnt have a four or five hour detailed briefing from the fbi i didnt go over every strategic part of it it is a decision for which i take responsibility im the president of the united states and i signed off on the general decision and giving her the authority to make the last call when i talked to her on sunday some time had elapsed she might have made a decision to change her mind i said if you decide to go forward with this tomorrow i will support you and i do support her she is not ultimately responsible to the american people i am but i think she has conducted her duties in an appropriate fashion and she has dealt with this situation i think as well as she could have thank you applause 30 windows re head to head win and jg after this fall i believe ibm no longer has any rights to jg view microsoft code after that the only way to maintain jg some sort of compatibility is to reverse engineer would jg you want to reverse engineer an ole2 application dont they retain windows nt oem status if so that gives them nt source code and since windows is headed toward nt win32s win32c slmr 2 1a t a g l i n e m e a s u r i n g g a u g e the file bank bbs 619 728 4318 pcboard v 14 5a e10 usr hst ds 8 nodes rime internet largest clipper file collection in the world medicine any info on vasomotor rhinitis i recently attended an allery seminar steroid nasal sprays were discussed afterward on a one on one basis i asked the speaker what if none of the vancanese beconase nasalide nasalcort or nasalchrom work nor do any oral decongestants work she replied that she saw an article on vasomotor rhinitis that this is not an allergic reaction and that nothing other than the afrins and such would work which in my case is true i want to find out as much as possible about this since i am going to see my allergist in may and want to be armed to the hilt with information since nothing he has done with me has helped me at all and i have had no relief for 14 months please respond if you know anything about this and or please let me know what articles might be helpful that i could look up in the library windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 14112 news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu mc duke edu kurt bollacker writes from kdb sunbar mc duke edu mc duke edu kurt bollacker subject challenge to microsoft supporters date 30 apr 93 14 58 54 gmt microsoft is the largest software company on the planet yet i cannot think of even one computing concept that they innovated and brought to market before anyone else xerox parc apple osborne next gnu and others have been pioneers and led the way to the future of computing what has microsoft done to be a technological leader i posted this question before but i got nary a reply i make the challenge now to anyone who can come up with something especially microsoft employees i get no response this time i guess it pretty much assures me that there is none which is what i suspect anyway kurt d bollacker duke university medical center kdb sunbar mc duke edu durham nc 27710 they invented the how to make money on others ideas they made money they werent in the air at the wrong time admit it billg is a damn smart guy how many out there can make money on almost useless products useless even if you look at the time dos were written it stinked already then if i could choose one marketing guy in the world i think i would choose him hes so good that almost everyone hates him but they still use his stuff thomasez im not perfect but im perfect for you shavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalessha vethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavet hewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavebillgatesshavethewhalesshavethew halesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhal esshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhalesshavethewhaless guns re ban all firearms in article 1993apr14 183025 29688 sco com allanh sco com allan j heim writes papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca paul prescod drugs are banned please tell me when this supply will dry up drugs are easier to manufacture easier to smuggle easier to hide no comparison then lets use another example alcoholic beverages bottles of whiskey are larger heavier and more fragile than bags of drugs barrels and kegs are larger and heavier still and are difficult to manipulate yet a lot of people managed to get very rich off of the smuggling of booze into this country during the years of prohibition there was a demand so an entire industry formed to supply it i beleive this was the source of the kennedy clans money so unless theres something im missing i think your argument that guns wont be smuggled because theyre more difficult to manufacture smuggle and hide wont wash if enough people want something somebody will try to supply it allan j heim allanh sco com uunet sco allanh 1 408 427 7813 jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 windows my os is better than your os so there was challenge to ms supporters havent we wasted enough bandwidth on this silly discussion already please no flames let sanity prevail richard maclennan cars re how hard to change springs on f350 truck bottom line i did it and it worked some tips and techniques are included here in article c4zzpn ax7 constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article 1993apr3 005245 10615 michael apple com ems michael apple com e michael smith writes does it take any peculiar tools to remove the rear springs from a ford f350 truck this is a 4x4 with leaf springs front and rear so with a big socket and an air wrench and a floor jack and a hydrolic bottle jack can i do this at home i found that i needed some smaller sockets to undo the shocks and a can of wd40 helped the sockets needed were metric exact fit but i was able to use some sae sockets 13 16 and 15 16 are rather close to 21 and 24mm it can be fun having a canadian ford im pictureing this undo u bolts put a bottle jack on the axle and raise the bed frame to take stress off of the leaf spring undo the end bolts bushings drop the spring turn the bottom leaf re connect the spring bolts sounds about right didnt have to undo the end bolts bushings just the 2 u bolts on each side and the shock absorber jacking up the frame some more had to put the spare tire on the garage floor and put a wooden platform on top of that to get the floor jack high enough to raise the frame it one talll truck lifted the spring free of the axel taking out the block gave me enough room to undo the pin holding the spring pack together the spring pack was held together with a nut on top and a round head on the other end no wrench head vice grips worked fine i soaked the nut with wd40 and it came right off flipped the bottom spring and then is this a nightmare waiting to happen or an easy though physically demanding thing to do well its easier than doing a decent trigger job on a 1911a1 ok well maybe its not that easy but its not terribly difficult i donno im a little more sore today than after working on a 1911a1 a 1 5 foot pipe cheater was a real help torque spec for the u bolt nuts is 150 to 200 ft lbs a 1911 a1 doesnt have that kind of torque spec it was a challenge to get the pack bolt back in the spring pack squeeze pack with two hands hold bolt with third put nut on with fourth while picking up wrench and vice grips with fifth and sixth hands i used some string to tie the pack together while holding the pin in for alignment then i could let go to get the nut wrench vice grips getting the pin back lined up with the lift block was a challenge too until i discovered that the axel had 1 tilted and or 2 rolled forward one the drivers side a bottle jack under the front of the differential tilted it back in line enough for the pin head to drop into the right hole on the passenger side i had to wrestle the wheel into rolling forward about 1 2 inch to get things to line up spent more than an hour working on getting the pin head into the hole in the lift block with levers and ropes and impliments of distruction before i took a break and thought about why it wasnt lined up anymore since it had been lined up before and i didnt move it something else must have hmmm axle no longer constrained not to move hmmm move it back hmmm after that it was all much easier to close up btw the ride is now softer but not quite as soft as i was hoping for at least it now sits level e michael smith ems apple com whatever you can do or dream you can begin it boldness has genius power and magic in it goethe i am not responsible nor is anyone else everything is disclaimed baseball re finnally the phils have support in article c4x9xa 9ew news udel edu philly brahms udel edu robert c hite writes in article 4fjqpau00wblm1z50r andrew cmu edu anuj gupta ag4i andrew cmu edu writes everytime i have written on the net about the possibility of a successfuls season by the philadelphia phillies i have gotten ripped from everybody from pittsburgh to calcutta but if all the ignoramouses care to look at this weeks baseball weekly they will see that im not the only one who considers then as division winners the rest of the most respected baseball writers in the country do as well and these guys certainly know what theyre talking about every bozo from pittsburgh to calcutta will just have to sit up and take notice this phils team in an offensive juggernaut which is going to score a lot of runs and put up a ton of hits on the scoreboard you people out there are going to be sick of seeing phillies scattered all over every offensive league leaders category in the newspaper these guys hit 304 through spring training well before getting no hit yesterday but they had a plane to catch 45 minutes after the game ended so theyre minds werent in it up to this point i really thought this had been written by a pro sdcn anti mediot poster blessed with a certain talent for sarcasm and biting remarks somebody like me for instance the lurid overstatements were obviously intended to humiliate the original poster now on top of the great offense they have a slightly above average pitching staff which has a lot of youth and promise if the pitchers do their part and mitch keeps blown saves to a minimum look for another pennant out in left field at the vet robert c hite p s michael jack schmidt for commissioner but then the scales were lifted from my eyes looks like robert is really being serious oh well i compare the performance of the 1992 phillies with the 1987 edition which had outstanding run producers at every position except ss yet finished at a frustrating sub 500 level the 1987 folks didnt ever amount to anything and neither will the 1992 squad imho any other parallels with previous years teams for this years editions in the style of 1993 braves 1971 orioles greg mockingbird franklin interracial mixing encompasses a lot lot more f67709907 ccit arizona edu than mingling between g7 races robohen things one wishes to see the moon flowers the face of a dear one well performed no the furnishings of a tea cottage the real thoughts of ones lover and her letter all famous places guns re gun nuts and holly silva in article c4tsd1 1va news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes in article 1993apr1 010834 4326 mnemosyne cs du edu rcanders nyx cs du edu mr nice guy writes both the gun nuts and the gays are aggressively defensive and quite hostile to any one trying to deprive them of their rights just like any group trying to protect their rights the fallacy of this whole thing is that your rights are not in jeapardy by these posts how can you say that i presume that you mean that talking about restricting rights is not the same as restricting those rights well arguing for those restrictions may lead to implementation much the same way as assault can lead to battery legal definitions most t p g people and the homosexual groups wont even discuss the subject at all in a polite form the mere raising of a question as to why the rights are there or what exactly the right encompasses bring shrill posts and angry hostile traffic well i cant speak for the homosexuals but ive seen alot of polite discussion on t p g please everyone dont take this guys word or mine for that matter on it read t p g for a while and try to determine from which direction most of the flameage originates if you post without flamebait you will generally receive reasoned responses true there are those who tend to lose their tempers quickly as there are on all newsgroups but they really do feel their rights are in jeopardy oh and neat trick talking derisively about another newsgroup while not crossposting to allow them to defend themselves i think a lot of t p g people have very thin skin when it comes to discussing these subjects methinks you doth protest too much dave schabel dave schabel opinions and comments contained herein are mine and schabel calspan com do not necessarilly reflect those of calspan corp or located in western ny its customers windows terminal setup how i am new to windows and i wanted to know how to setup the terminal program i have a modem in com4 but when it try to configure it inside windows i get the messare unsupported com can anyone help me sam medicine from srebrenica doctoring in hell srebrenicas doctor recounts towns living hell by laura pitter tuzla bosnia reuter neret mujanovic was a pathologist when he trekked through the mountains to the besieged muslim town of srebrenica last august but after treating 4 000 mangled victims of bosnias bloody war he considers himself a surgeon now im a surgeon with great experience although i have no license to practice but if i operate on a person and he lives normally thats the greatest license a surgeon could have evacuated by the u n this week to his home town of tuzla the muslim physician gave an eyewitness medical assessment of the horrors of the year long serb siege of srebrenica and the suffering of the thousands trapped there i lived through hell together with the people of srebrenica all those who lived through this are the greatest heroes that humanity can produce he told reporters mujanovic 31 had practiced for two months as an assistant at a local hospital in tuzla but before going to srebrenica he had never performed a surgical operation on his own now he says he has performed major surgery 1 396 times relying on books for guidance amputating arms and legs 150 times usually without anesthetic delivering 350 babies and performing four cesarean sections he worked 18 to 19 hour days slept in the hospital for the first 10 weeks after his arrival last aug 5 and treated 4 000 patients he arrived after making the trek over mountains on foot from tuzla 60 miles northwest of srebrenica about 50 other people carried in supplies and 350 soldiers guided and protected him through guerrilla terrain he said his worst memory was of 10 days ago when seven serb shells landed within one minute in an area half the size of a football field killing 36 people immediately and wounding 102 half of the dead were women and children the people had come out for a rare day of sunshine and the children were playing soccer there was no warning the blood flowed like a river in the street he said there were pieces of women all around and you could not piece them together one woman holding her two children in her hands was lying with them on the ground dead they had no heads before mujanovic arrived with his supplies conditions were deplorable he said many deaths could have been prevented had the hospital had surgical tools facilities and medicine the six general practitioners who had been operating before he arrived had even less surgical experience than he did they didnt know the basic principles for amputating limbs once he arrived the situation improved he said but by mid september he had run out of supplies bandages were washed and boiled five times sometimes they were falling apart in my hands he said doctors had no anesthetic and could not give patients alcohol to numb the pain because it increased bleeding people were completely conscious during amputations and stomach operations he said blood transfusions were impossible because they had no facilities to test blood types i felt destroyed psychologically mujanovic said the situation improved after dec 4 when a convoy arrived from the belgian medical group medecins sans frontieres but mujanovic said the military predicament worsened in mid december after bosnian serbs began a major offensive in the region every day we had air strikes and shellings then the hunger set in between mid december and mid march when u s planes began air dropping food between 20 and 30 people were dying every day from complications associated with malnutrition he said i know for sure that the air drop operation saved the people from massive death by hunger and starvation he said according to mujanovic around 5 000 people died in srebrenica 1 000 of them children during a year of siege mujanovic plans to return to srebrenica in three weeks after visiting his wife who is ill in tuzla they say im a hero he said there were thousands of people standing at the sides of the road crying and waving when i left and i cried too sharon machlis gartenberg framingham ma usa e mail sharon world std com guns re some more about gun control in article 1993apr16 010235 14225 mtu edu cescript mtu edu charles scripter writes in article c5bu9m 2k7 ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge wrote in article 1q96tpinnpcn gap caltech edu arc cco caltech edu aaron ray clements writes the second amendment is a guarantee of the right to bear arms clearly and unequivocally without infringement unfortunately the second amendment is not as clear as you state if last part of it is taken along it follows what you have said the problem i have is with the first part of the single sentence which makes up the amendment the second amendment is a well regulated militia being necessary to the security militia of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear state arms shall not be infringed arms you didnt even get the capitalization correct try reading usca on the constitution or get any other correct version of the constitution this mention of a well regulated militia is what confuses me according to the federalist papers a well regulated militia has a well defined structure and follows nationally uniform regulations perhaps you should actually read the federalist papers james madison federalist paper 46 besides the advantage of being armed which the americans possess over the people of almost every other nation the existence of subordinate governments to which the people are attached and by which the militia officers are appointed forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of europe which are carried as far as the public resources will bear the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms james madison i annals of congress 434 8 june 1789 the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed a well regulated militia composed of the body of the people trained to arms is the best and most natural defense of a free country alexander hamilton federalist paper 29 on the organization of the militia little more can reasonably be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped and in order to see that this be not neglected it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year alexander hamilton federalist paper 29 speaking of standing armies if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow citizens but surely hamilton and madison didnt mean the people when they said people right thats why the amendment refers to the right of the militia your average 17 45 year old male does not fall into the definition youre right the militia consists of all able bodied males and probably females under current interpretation therefore most members of the militia the one the every gun advocate refers to are not members of a well organized militia and therefore are not directly the amendment does nor refer to well organized it says well regulated i have some targets you may examine if you wish to check how well regulated i am mentioned in the amendment if this amendment wanted to allow every member of the militia to keep and bear arms why did it specificly mention a well organized militia in the same sentence as the right to keep and bear arms correct thats why the right is reserved to the people and that was to insure the people could form a well regulated militia not a well organized militia it could be argued that the first part of the sentence is separate from the last part if so why was it include in the same atomic unit of written what do atomic units have to do with this argument any moron can set h bar c 1 instead of a separate sentence oh i see what your question is why dont you read the federalist papers james madison federalist paper 41 regarding the general welfare clause nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars but what does madison know about the grammatical style of the 2nd he only wrote it the amendment also implies that the right to arms has to due with the security of a free state the federalist papers mention of a well regulated militia gives many examples of how this militia protects the security of a free state all these examples are actions of a very organized force not some john q public with a gun thats obviously because youve never actually read the federalist papers all that the second amendment clearly states to me is that the peoples right to form well regulated militias shall not be infringed that is people have the right to join a well organized militia this well organized militia will of course provide training in how to use arms and in basic military tactics these training members of the militia can keep and bear the arms cant read huh show me where the document says well organized militia lastly reading through the federalist papers on well organized militia it is very clear that many of the reasons for these militias one reason stated is the protection from a standing army these days the standing army could easily defeat a group consisting of every 17 45 year old male and female not in the armied forces that is exactly why every person should be allowed to own any weapon currently in use in the armed forces another reason stated for well organized militias is to reduced the need for a standing army well the us armied forces have been a standing army for more than half the history of the us but the major reason is to protect against that very same army it seems to me the whole reason for the second amendment to give the people protection from the us government by guaranteeing that the people can over through the government if necessary is a little bit of an anachronism is this day and age maybe its time to re think how this should be done and amend the constitution appropriately abraham lincoln first inaugural address march 4 1861 this country with its institutions belongs to the people who inhabit it whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it rep elbridge gerry of massachusetts spoken during floor debate over the second amendment i annals of congress at 750 17 august 1789 what sir is the use of a militia it is to prevent the establishment of a standing army the bane of liberty whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people they always attempt to destroy the militia in order to raise an army upon their ruins so now we know which category mr rutledge is in he means to destroy our liberties and rights charles scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept of physics michigan tech houghton mi 49931 when all government in little as in great things shall be drawn to washington as the centre of all power it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated thomas jefferson 1821 in article 1q96tpinnpcn gap caltech edu arc cco caltech edu aaron ray clements writes the second amendment is a guarantee of the right to bear arms clearly and unequivocally without infringement unfortunately the second amendment is not as clear as you state if last part of it is taken along it follows what you have said the problem i have is with the first part of the single sentence which makes up the amendment the second amendment is a well regulated militia being necessary to the security militia of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear state arms shall not be infringed arms you didnt even get the capitalization correct try reading usca on the constitution or get any other correct version of the constitution there are several ways in which one can choose to intrepret any constitutational issue a original intent b subjectively intrepreted accordiong to political whims of the day if we use original intent as the basis for intrepreting the constitution it is clear that the founding fathers intended that the individual citizen be allowed to bear arms similar to those used by soldiers of the day for references i cite federalist papers the embarassing second ammendment yale law review prof stanford levinson sorry i dont have the date handy prof levinson sought to prove that the 2nd ammendment did not convey an individual right but concluded that it did hence the embarassing in his title report of the subcomittee on the consititution united states sendate 97th congress second session february 1982 u s vs verguido urguidez supreme court case in recent years although this case did not pertain to firearms justice rhenquist notes that the term the people is a term of art conveying individual rights and specifically cited several used 2nd ammentment included in his opinion title 10 u s code this states that all males between the ages of 18 45 not part of the organized militia and all female officers of the national guard are part of the unorganized militia feel free to cite any scholarly and historical references you have to support your position i could go on a greater length with my personal proof by assertion however such a technique would carry no more or less weight that your dubious proofs by assertion cars water in trunk of 89 probe water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friends 89 ford probe every once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water under the plywood carpet cover on the trunk i would guess this usually happens after a good thunder storm a few qs 1 is this a common problem 2 where are the drain holes located for the hatch thanks for any info tom tom szeto no not those peanuts the ones on the tszeto sneezy ts stratus com bottom ggnuuaahuuhh include disclaimer h homer simpson medicine re cause of mental retardation in article 1993apr13 111834 1 cc uvcc edu harrisji cc uvcc edu writes chromosome studies have shown no abnormalities enzyme studies and urine analyses have not turned up anything out of the ordinary mri images of the brain show scar tissue in the white matter subsequent mri analysis has shown that the deterioration of the white matter is progressive because neither family has a history of anything like this and because two of our four children are afflicted with the disorder we believe that it is an autosomal recessive metabolic disorder of some kind naturally we would like to know exactly what the disease is so that we may gain some insight into how we can expect the disorder to progress in the future we would also like to be able to provide our normal children with some information about what they can expect in their own children it could be one of the leukodystrophies not adrenal only boys get that surely youve been to a university pediatric neurology department if not that is the next step biopsies might help especially if peripheral nerves are also affected there are so many of these diseases that would fit the symptoms you gave that more cant be said at this time i agree with your surmise that it is an autosomal recessive if so your normal children wont have to worry too much unless they marry near relatives most recessive genes are rare except in inbred communities e g lithuanian jews gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows mathcad 4 0 vs ndw 2 2 i just got off the phone with mathsoft technical service they are now admitting a problem of unknown nature with maple and norton desktop for windows they have no clue at this time and are collecting configuration information on the systems which exhibit the problem anyone having problems loading the maple solver in mathcad 4 0 under ndw shoud call technical support at 617 577 1017 they made no schedule promices but are actively working on the problem in the meantime the workaround is to provide a configuration selection in autoexec bat to use progman yuk pew whenever you plan to use the maple solver and ndw otherwise i am using norton be to place a little menu on the screen with a 5 second timeout to auto boot ndw david a fuess dir center for eecs phone 510 423 2436 fax 510 422 9343 lawrence livermore national laboratory cars re a c service rip off in article 1993apr23 155215 2838 chpc utexas edu ivab015 chpc utexas edu albert wu writes i went to a place called american car care centers to check my car for a c leak after checking i was told that there is a leak in the compressor seal at the end in addition to the labor for the check i was charged 12 dollars for a pound of freon although they evacuated my a c afterwards because of the leak first is it fair for him to charge me for a pound of freon 12 plus tax second what can i do about this if this is unfair albert wu for the information of those not lucky enough to live in the city of austin tx if an auto a c system is checked and found to have leaks it must be repaired at that time or evacuated this is an ordinance unique i think to the city of austin freon is subject to increasing taxes but 12 is about 2x cost here recovered freon is not required to be purchased from the car it is withdrawn from as a matter of practice some shops here are charging a recycling fee that is less than the cost of the freon removed if it is reintroduced to the system just another quality service from an enviornmentally conscious city rick kirchhof austin texas experience is what you domain rick posms aus tx us get when you dont bang path cfi org posms rick get what you want guns re gritz jbs liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian from arf genesis mcs com jack schmidling subject re gritz jbs liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian date 15 apr 1993 20 57 53 0500 i cant speak for the organizations you cited but everywhere you look in our society and government one can see the relentless movement toward one world government the fact that the media demeans such charished values as patriotism nationalism and protectionism are some of the clues our porous border both people and trade are an indiciation that we have already lost a great deal of sovergnty and im sure that people who were big fans of fuedalism pissed and moaned about the emergence of the modern nation state imagine the king allowing serfs their freedom if they could live in the city for a year times change technology changes viable forms of social organization change while concerns about preserving western notions of civil liberties in the face of cultures with very different values is a valid one its a waste of effort to try to turn back the tide its much smarter to focus on trying to make sure that the emerging forms of social organization are acceptable than it iss to lament the passing of the old forms medicine re liver spots in article 1993apr19 162502 29802 news eng convex com cash convex com peter cash writes what causes those little brown spots on older peoples hands are they called liver spots because theyre sort of liver colored or do they indicate some actual liver dysfunction senile keratoses have nothing to do with the liver gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon baseball re bob knepper was damn right in article 1qv9aginn3ba shelley u washington edu tannerg hardy u washington edu glenn tanner writes fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes in article 1993apr19 060208 17373 leland stanford edu dkeisen leland stanford edu dave eisen writes why did i get sucked into this in article 1993apr19 035406 11473 news yale edu austin jacobs writes dont you guys think so i mean cmon what the heck are women doing even thinking of getting into baseball they cause so many problems just assuming youre serious i guess youd be surprised to hear that us guys dont think so i would guess that a tiny fraction of 1 of the folks reading your post agree with it i kind of doubt that even you agree with it sheesh i agree with you here dave anyone for starting rec sports idiots for guys like austin no but i am for starting rec sports idiots for people who respond to obvious flamebait nah lets reserve rec sports idiots for people who post obvious flamebait like yourself if someone posts something as controversial not to mention idiotic as what austin posted in a widely accessed newsgroup someone should challenge the statement there is a school of thought that suggests that silence consent whereas this idea may not apply to everything in life it certainly should apply to a forum of public discussion which r s b is if youve been reading r s b lately youll find that even elementary school children have had access to our postings alibet in an edited form its making me think a little more carefully about some of the things i post in conclusion if someone like austin wants to post his drivel in some obscure newsgroup that i dont read fine hes got the right to rant rave and drool all he wants to in the name of free speech but if he drools in a newsgroup that i read then i will support the right of anyone to provide rebuttal to his drooling now of course you dont have to read any of this and if you want to cut down on flames then dont post flamebait you dont have to respond to flames either saves cyberspace sheesh eric guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes glenns eas gatech edu writes hey gang its not about duck hunting or about dark alleys its about black clad helmeted and booted troops storming houses and violating civil rights under color of law are you ready to defend your constitution its also about crazy fatigue clad survivalist types blasting the snot out of people who accidentally stray onto his land in the name of self defense well the count is now at least 86 dead by government action how many have been killed in the last year in the manner you described what no facts oh how silly of me i forgot you dont like guns so you dont need no stinkin facts dont get too self righteous mr gun toter dont get too smug mr gun hater mike ruff this above all to thine own s t r i d e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self be true polonius those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin windows re how redirect print manager to file hpcc01 comp os ms windows misc u7911093 cc nctu edu tw by swh 9 58 am apr 24 1993 hello who can tell me where can i find the pd or shareware which can capture windows 3 1s output of printer mananger i want to capture the output of hp laser jet iii though the postscript can setup to print to file but hp cant i try doss redirect program but they cant work in windows 3 1 thankx for any help you can print to a file from an hp or any other printer just go into the printers section of your control panel select the printer you want to re direct to a file and click on connect then choose file as the port to connect the printer to when you print from any application to that printer windows will prompt you for a file name for the file into which you want to capture the printout its pretty easy good luck perry reed perry reed hp0000 desk hp com be young be foolish be lucky in love guns re fbi directors statement on waco standoff in c5wi8x cqs skates gsfc nasa gov dsc gemini gsfc nasa gov doug s caprette writes can anyone cite an example in which this defense was successful how about a source for this please take this thread out of tx politics talk politics guns which does not exist how about tx politics talk politics guns instead eh ed mcguire 1603 lbj freeway suite 780 systems administrator dallas texas 75234 member of technical staff 214 620 2100 fax 214 484 8110 intellection inc ed intellection com 1993apr3 071631 9811jp tygra michigan com i run an anonymous server and it is staying for the rest of my life which should be about 55 years cars re lh car order delay i read an article in the 3 25 chicago tribune stating that chrysler is having problems addressing the demand for the 3 5l engine for its lh cars can anyone post how long they are waiting for an ordered car or how long they have been told theyll have to wait ordered mine december 30 got it nine weeks later but the dealer said that new orders were being held up he didnt expect to see any more 3 5l engine lhs for awhile andrew klossner andrew frip wv tek com medicine re whats a bone scan in article cindy 349 berkp uadv uci edu cindy berkp uadv uci edu cindy windham writes my mother has been advised to have a bone scan performed what is this procedure for and is it painful shes been having leg and back pain which her gp said was sciatica her oncologist listened to her symptoms and said that it didnt sound like sciatica and she should get a bone scan do i assume correctly from the above aricle that your mother has a historyy of cancer i was just wondeing since you mentioned thhat she has an oncologist a bone scan is a nuclear scan thperson receivving the scan is gven a dose of a radioactive tracer and an imaging device is used to track the distribution of the tracer wwithin the body the tracer is usually given intravenously iv this means that the physician or his assistant will insert a needle into a vein and inject medicine into the vein after a few minutes has passed for the tracer to circulate through the body the person is scanned with an imaging device to detect high concentrations of the tracer the radiologist or doctor is looking for areas that take up more of the radioactive tracer or less of it as far as pain the only pain comes from the needle stick that is required to start the iv line what the doctor is probably looking for are changes in the bones that may have resulted from cancer this is also why i was wondering if your mother has had cancer since cancer can spread from one site and wind up in the skeletal system i hope i have answered some of your questions feel free to e mail me if you have more questions related to the bone scan or anything else related to your mothers care im a newly graduated nurse and i enjoy sharing information with other people to help them understand things that they did not know about before my thoughts are with you both elisa b hanson picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu the chief function of the body is to carry the head around albert einstein guns cost benefit analysis was fbi directors statement in article 1993apr20 212028 17463 twisto eng hou compaq com costley solo eng hou compaq com brett costley said sigh i just dont understand why they couldnt have waited koresh co out jlpicard austin ibm com uh maybe because it was costing hundreds of thousands of dollars a day to just sit and wait yeah we dont want to spend too much money preserving lives after all escpecially when theyre all just a bunch of crazy fanatic cultists anyway instead of normal people the above is supposed to be dripping with sarcasm but im too burned out right now get it burned out ha ha to tell if its working look folks what david koresh and his followers were was broken it takes a certain amount of flexibility and insanity to survive in this world and they didnt have enough of it and that wasnt their fault so please stop dancing on their graves okay william december starr wdstarr athena mit edu guns re rewording the second amendment ideas in article 1r1eu1 4t transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1993apr20 083057 16899 ousrvr oulu fi dfo vttoulu tko vtt fi foxvog douglas writes in article 1qv87v 4j3 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article c5n3gi f8f ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge writes the massive destructive power of many modern weapons makes the cost of an accidental or crimial usage of these weapons to great the weapons of mass destruction need to be in the control of the government only individual access would result in the needless deaths of millions this makes the right of the people to keep and bear many modern weapons non existant thanks for stating where youre coming from needless to say i disagree on every count you believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of mass destruction i find it hard to believe that you would support a neighbors right to keep nuclear weapons biological weapons and nerve gas on his her property if we cannot even agree on keeping weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of individuals can there be any hope for us i dont sign any blank checks of course the term must be rigidly defined in any bill when doug foxvog says weapons of mass destruction he means cbw and nukes when sarah brady says weapons of mass destruction she means street sweeper shotguns and semi automatic sks rifles i doubt she uses this term for that you are using a quote allegedly from her can you back it up when john lawrence rutledge says weapons of mass destruction and then immediately follows it with the us has thousands of people killed each year by handguns this number can easily be reduced by putting reasonable restrictions on them what does rutledge mean by the term i read the article as presenting first an argument about weapons of mass destruction as commonly understood and then switching to other topics the first point evidently was to show that not all weapons should be allowed and then the later analysis was given this understanding to consider another class cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet doug foxvog douglas foxvog vtt fi cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article nataraja 735495588 geode14 nataraja rtsg mot com kumaravel natarajan writes mliggett silver ucs indiana edu matthew liggett writes in 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes i am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines v4 i dont know of any ditto seems to me that i heard that some early saabs were 2 cycle v4s then again who could possibly care v6 legend mr3 mr6 whats an mr3 or mr6 most any gm w the 3800 v6 v8 dont know of any mustang 5 0 302 camaros firebirds some mercedes lexus ls400 sc400 infinity q45 v12 jaguar xjs some mercedes bmw 750il lamborghini countach lamborghini diablo please add to the list vel natarajan nataraja rtsg mot com motorola cellular arlington hts il windows re demonstration creation program wanted in article c6v8ro 2ug cs vu nl martijn cs vu nl lemmens ml writes im looking for a program or toolkit with which it is possible to create demonstrations very fast with a demonstration i mean a collection of screens the one that is looking to the demonstration should be able to make choices by pressing buttons to change screens hypertext each screen will contain a question text or bitmap and a few answers buttons it should be possible to play music and or show animations film ive heard of animator pro and visual basic but i dont know what these can do autodesk animator is a good tool the one i like is show partner fx if you want it i could give a copy to you i did a lot of advertising with it it lets you create both graphics any resolution and text frames run it all as a film you can make choices and include music i guess thats just what you need if youre really interested email me vick victor friedman victorf seas ucla edu medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr26 204319 11231 ultb isc rit edu e a story eas3714 ultb isc rit edu wrote in article 1rgrsvinnmpr gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu writes greg flame definitely intended here bill was making fun of the misspelling go look up the word krill also the correct spelling is kirlian it involves taking photographs of corona discharges created by attaching the subject to a high voltage source not of some aura it works equally well with inanimate objects true but what about showing the missing part of a leaf is this corona discharge no its called not wiping off the apparatus after taking a picture of the whole leaf gene battin battin cyclops iucf indiana edu no sig yet cars clifford delta car alarm just found a great deal on a clifford delta car alarm 450 installed comes with glass break sensor motion detector and shock detector does anyone have one of these alarms are they any good from the looks of it its about the best on the market for the price its also on sale so thats another reason to get it i think ill be saving almost 200 any opinions eric lucas cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article c5hqj0 57 unix amherst edu bhtulin unix amherst edu barak h tulin writes i just started reading this thread today so forgive me if it has already been mentioned but what was the deal with renaults putting the horn on the left hand turn signal stalk it was a button on the end where the washer button would be on the wiper washer stalk could the frenchies not figure out the wiring through the steering wheel or what ford tried that also back in 1983 my 1983 ranger pickup had the horn at the end of the turn signal stalk instead of in the center of the wheel where god intended it to be i drove two different cars then the other an 1984 camry and never did get used to pushing the turn signal stalk to blow the horn the only time i got it right was when i was getting the annual state required safety inspection not one of fords better ideas dick grady salem nh usa grady world std com so many newsgroups so little time religion re what part of no dont you understand eeb1 midway uchicago edu writes steve novak writes because of course that possibility existed meaning any student who really gave a shit could have a moment of silence on his her own which makes more sense than forcing those who dont want to participate to have to take part what other reason is there for an organized moment of silence a moment of silence doesnt mean much unless everyone participates otherwise its not silent now is it the whole point is maybe everyone doesnt want to participate blindly opposing everything with a flavor of religion in it is utterly idiotic blindly opposing everything with a flavor of religion in it that is supported by taxpayer money is the only way to keep christianity from becoming the official u s religion not noticing that danger is utterly idiotic steve novak ban the bomb ban the pope steven advtech uswest com medicine re tuberculosis in article 1993mar29 181406 11915 iscsvax uni edu klier iscsvax uni edu writes multiple drug resistance in tb is a relatively new phenomenon and one of the largest contributing factors is that people are no longer as scared of tb as they were before antibiotics it was roughly as feared as hiv is now not that new 20 years ago we had drug addicts harboring active tb that was resistant to everything in chicago the difference now is that such strains have become virulent in the old days such tb was weak it didnt spread to other people very easily and just infected the one person in whom it developed because of non compliance with medications non compliance and development of resistant strains has been a problem for a very long time that is why we have like 9 drugs against tb there is always a need to develop new ones due to such strains now however with a virulent resistant strain we are in more trouble and measures to assure compliance may be necessary even if they entail force gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon religion re biblical contradictions and archer jenny anderson jennya well sf ca us wrote medtronic com dale m skiba entirely missed my point in my previous posting in which i wrote firmly on the western coast of the med you can bet ium gonna keep this baby my my my such double standards you neglected to give any primary sources for your book encyclopedia of the bible are we to expect that source to be as unbiased as the other sources mr butler did give at least one source you have given none reply it was a joke the readers digest encyclopedia of the bible was the most outrageously bogus authority i could dredge from my shelves i was trying to point out that going to some encyclopedia rather than original or scholarly sources is a big mistake in procedure i am glad to note that butler and decesno are arguing about substance now rather than about arguing i guess the joke was on me i am so used to seeing bogus stuff posted here that i assumed that yours was necessarily the same dale skiba baseball players rushed to majors snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes can anybody name a player who was rushed to the majors lets for arguments sake define rushed as brought up to the majors for more than a cup of coffee prior at age 22 or younger and performing below expectations whose career was damaged by this rushing i tend to agree that players are not hurt by early play in the big leagues the braves organization is a fertile ground to test this hypothesis as they had little talent on their roster for some time steve avery for example was rushed to the majors and he fared very poorly during his initial campaign his subsequent pitching has not been affected by his 5 era during his rookie year bill james pointed out that it was relatively unusual to struggle so and then rebound bob horner was also rushed to the majors out of arizona state directly had good numbers immediately i am not certain of the ages of people like pete smith craig mcmurty and derek lilliquist the braves pitching staffs were so bad when they came up that they might have been rushed lilliquist and smith struggled but it didnt hurt ps and dl may have been overhyped i seem to recall cm pitching well initially though i dont have stats handy douglas bone internet bone luciano stanford edu standard disclaimers bitnet bone luciano stanford edu stanford apply uucp ucbvax luciano sierra stanford edu bone guns re some more about gun control in article c5mzyk e7g ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge writes no not unconditional but shall not be infringed infringed is defined as to break or ignore the terms of or obligations an oath an agreement law or the like to disreguard violate to go beyond the boundaries or limits tresspass encroach this definition implies the following of some form of existing agreement laws and agreements are made in advance the rights guaranteed by the constitution were considered to be pre existing the only agreement was that they exist therefore no law grants such rights laws can only guarantee protect or infringe such rights websters third new international dictionary of the english language unabridged 1986 infringe 1 a to break down destroy b defeat frustrate c confute refute d impair weaken 2 to commit a breach of neglect to fulfill or obey violate transgress vi encroach trespass infringement 1 the act of infringing breach violation nonfulfillment 2 an encroachment or trespass on a right or priveledge trespass now by what stretch of the imagination do you get your ideas about infringement of rights al standard disclaimer cars re changing oil by self rist another dealer service scam in article 1qk5m9 pbe news ysu edu ak296 yfn ysu edu john r daker writes i was worried about someone stealing my oil once also i finally decided to just have my drain plug welded shut it works great i figure that when i add three or four quarts when the oil light comes on every month or so that its just as good or better than the old wives tale of changing the oil and filter every 3000 miles works for me i must say i did the same thing to my drain plug for the same reasons i was wondering how you filled your crankcase though as i welded my hood shut also out of fear that somebody might steal my air filter oh come on silly all you have to do is cut a hole in your hood and put a tube there so you can get to the oil fill hole what do you think all those big air intake things are for on those hot rod cars theyre just for looks only little does anyone know they provide access to the oil fill hole well over where we live we have problems with vandals stealing peoples wheels those locking nuts didnt stop them so to be safe and sure i welded the lug nuts to my wheels together it works serious i havent had my wheels stolen yet medicine re request gyro souvlaki sauce in article 1993apr22 205341 172965 locus com michael trofimoff tron fafnir la locus com writes would anyone out there in net land happen to have an authentic sure fire way of making this great sauce that is used to adorn gyros and souvlaki im not sure of the exact recipe but im sure acidophilus is one of the major ingredients don mackie his opinions um anesthesiology will disavow windows help with a windows drum machine hello im trying to get a drum program to work that i downloaded from ftp cica indiana edu in the pub pc win3 sounds directory its called drum zip i have an ati stereo fx card with the latest windows drivers installed when i try to run the drum program it reports that a midi device is not installed however the drivers utility in the control panel reports that it is installed anyone have any idea how to set up the midi device so that the drum program will work with my setup what im trying to do is use my computer as a metronome someone suggested that i try one of the drum machines that are circulating around out there any help would be appreciated thanks terry terryh cae wisc edu cars re lexus and infiniti in article 1993apr23 105438 3245 msus1 msus edu w00026 tigger stcloud msus edu writes first off the correct spelling of nissans luxury automobile division is infiniti not infinity i would also like to clear up the question of what kind of engines power lexus and infiniti automobiles since a person had remarked in earlier posts that most lexus and infiniti models had v6 engines while at the same time saying that several of each manufacturer used v8 engines lexus ls400 v8 gs300 v6 es300 v6 sc400 v8 sc300 v6 the gs300 and sc300 have an inline 6 infiniti q45 v8 j30 v6 g20 inline 4 i must admit that i cannot remeber for sure here inline 4 is correct i hope this helps bsb keith religion re a kind and loving god in article sandvik 190493200858 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes in article 1993apr19 165717 25790 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote it is true what you stated above jesus saving grace is available to everyone not just jews in other words everyone can have salvation but not everyone will this option is now open to people other than just jews of course if the jews dont accept the deity of christ i would hardly expect them to accept anything that christ said but i dont feel any animosity towards them even though they persecuted jesus and his disciples and eventually crucified him i bear them no ill will if anything i feel pity for them jesus had to die to pay the price for our sins and so the jews were merely fulfilling prophesy jesus knew he had to die even before he began his ministry that demonstrates the great depth of his love for us jesus certainly demonstrated the great depth of his love for the children who died today at the davidian complex sorry but the events today made me even more negative concering organized religion i understand and sympathize with your pain what happened in waco was a very sad tradgedy dont take it out on us christians though the branch davidians were not an organized religion they were a cult led by a ego maniac cult leader the christian faith stands only on the shoulders of one man the lord of lords and king of kings jesus christ btw david koresh was not jesus christ as he claimed god be with you malcolm lee cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net medicine re endometriosis in article 1993apr16 032251 6606 rock concert net naomi rock concert net naomi t courter writes can anyone give me more information regarding endometriosis i heard its a very common disease among women and if anyone can provide names of a specialist surgeon in the north carolina research triangle park area raleigh durham chapel hill who is familiar with the condition i would really appreciate it thanks naomi naomi your best bet is to look in the yellow pages and find a listing for obgyn doc in the area you wish any obgyn doc is familiar with endometriosis and its treatments shalom len howard md religion re merlin mithras and magick caldwell facman ohsu edu larry caldwell writes there evidently was a feast of bread and wine associated with mithras i have often wondered if yeshua intentionally introduced this ritual to expand the appeal of his religion or if it was appropriated by later worshipers you could argue that if you wanted but i think a more reasonable argument would point out the fact that the remembrance feast was very similar to the pesach passover meal during seder a very jewish ritual the fact that there appears to be an abuse in the early church of people eating too much a very real concern with some passover meals and not treating the meal with respect shows the simplifying of the ritual to just bread and wine to be a way of dealing with the inherent problems of peoples human nature and trying to keep the essentials of the remembrance aspects david whitten fwva saic com us 619 535 7764 i dont speak as a company rep cars re ultimate awd vehicles in article apr09 084236 19413 engr washington edu eliot lanmola engr washington edu eliot writes in article 1q34huinnjrv uwm edu qazi csd4 csd uwm edu writes subarus dont sell that well although the percentage of subes purchased with awd is probably relatively high 56 of all subarus sold are 4wd awd audi is backing down on the number of models it offers with awd before one could purchase an 80 or 90 with awd but now it is reserved strictly for the top line model the same goes for the 100 200 the 80 80q has been eliminated from the us lineup but the 90 is still available in quattro version though it is hardly cheap they are still true to their pledge of making 4wd an option on their entire line of cars now if only they will bring in the s4 wagon eliot before the s4 became the s4 it was called the 200 turbo quattro 20v this model did come in a wagon a very quick wagon very rare also mike sylvester umass guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas do you eat all your food cold thank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it i cant stand it when peoples first reaction is to defend the aggressor mr tavares you have a unique and thoughtful way of getting to the heart of the matter and i thank you for putting it to good use mike ruff this above all to thine own s t r i d e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self be true polonius those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin cars re warning please read in article 1993apr20 224622 21992 voodoo ca boeing com tomm hank ca boeing com tom mackey writes you do have the power steve you can do it why dont you why dont you go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars make sure you do a good job though dont miss cause like they have big rocks and take it from me those kids are mean that is absolutely correct they have a streak of meanness that runs much deeper and stronger than anything i ever experienced even during the height of the 60s racial struggles i am absolutely convinced that there are kids out there today that have no concept of right and wrong but have the human intelligence which is turning them into the greatest predators that have ever walked the earth they will prevail unless the rest of humanity decides that it is in their best interest to stand up against these feral humans and for individuals to start taking some responsibility for their own protection in a state in which the individuals turn to the authorities and police for protection the police and government is soon composed of the very feral humans that they originally sought protection from and i thought the nutters were the ones throwing the bricks from the bridge gee i guess you touched my hot button id better go cool off somewhere an institution tom mackey 206 865 6575 tomm voodoo ca boeing com boeing computer services uunet bcstec voodoo tomm m s 7k 20 p o box 24346 seattle wa 98124 0346 kevinh hasler asco ch cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr15 193712 25996 news cs brandeis edu andyh chaos cs brandei s edu andrew j huang writes in article 1993apr15 020356 28944 magnus acs ohio state edu sorlin magnus ac s ohio state edu steven j orlin writes i take the electrodes of the amp ohm volt meter whatever and connect one to each earlobe then symmetrically insert my fingers in each of the spark plug boots no cheating guys both hands must be used i have just a couple of questions about this technique first what firing order should i use do i start with my pointer finger or my pinky left hand or right place your hands flat on a table and arrange the firing order from left to right and secondly i have a 12cyl and there are two cylinders unaccounted for any suggestions well you have friends dont you 12 cylinders might be more excitement than one person can take baseball re best lifetime record in baseball history in article 1993apr6 114106 156 corning com cecce aj corning com writes speaking of the marlins winning the opener based on lifetime percentage of games won who has the second best record in baseball history soon to be the best record again if i had to guess i would be forced to say the yankees on the other hand the blue jays might be up there too hmmmmm tony blue jays no way hell but the yankees probably do remember the yankees had the best record of any team in the 80s and probably take the 20s through 60s as well medicine re post polio syndrome information needed please reply to keith actrix gen nz keith stewart my wife has become interested through an acquaintance in post polio syndrome this apparently is not recognised in new zealand and different symptons eg chest complaints are treated separately does anone have any information on it it would help if you and anyone else asking for medical information on some subject could ask specific questions as no one is likely to type in a textbook chapter covering all aspects of the subject if you are looking for a comprehensive review ask your local hospital librarian most are happy to help with a request of this sort briefly this is a condition in which patients who have significant residual weakness from childhood polio notice progression of the weakness as they get older one theory is that the remaining motor neurons have to work harder and so die sooner david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell medicine re vasectomy health effects on women on 28 apr 93 20 54 04 gmt joshm yang earlham edu wrote in article 1993apr27 110440 5069 nic csu net eskagerb nermal santarosa edu eric skagerberg writes does anyone know of any studies done on the long term health effects of a mans vasectomy on his female partner ive heard of no studies but speculation why on earth would there be any effect on womens health thats about the most absurd idea ive heard since ted kaldiss claim that no more than 35 000 people would march on washington ok one point greatly reduced chance of pregnancy but thats it josh well there might be another since im sterile my wife can enjoy sex without fear of getting pregnant o uucp rutgers ur valhalla btoy1 mrbulli compu erve internet mrbulli btoy1 rochester ny us 76535 2221 medicine re eye dominance in article c5e2g7 877 world std com rsilver world std com richard silver writes is there a right eye dominance eyedness as there is an overall right handedness in the population i mean do most people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the other if so what kinds of percentages can be attached to this thanks yes there is such a thing as eye dominance although i am not sure if this dominance refers to perscription strength as i recall if you selectively close your dominant eye you will percieve that the image shifts this will not happen if you close your other eye i believe that which eye is dominant is related to handedness but i cant recall the relation at the moment barry d benowitz email bbenowit telesciences com pyrnj telesci bbenowit phone 1 609 866 1000 x354 snail telesciences co systems 351 new albany rd moorestown nj 08057 1177 cars re improvements in automatic transmissions an excellent automatic can be found in the subaru legacy it switches to sport mode when the electronics figure it not when the driver sets the switch which is the proper way to do it imo so what does sport mode entail several things 1 revving to red line or to the rev limiter in the case of the legacy 2 delayed upshifts i e if you lift off briefly it will remain in the low gear this is handy if you are charging through corners and would like to do without the distraction of upshifts when theres another curve approaching 3 part throttle downshifts based on the speed at which the pedal is depressed rather than the position of the pedal modern electronics can measure this very easily and switch to sport mode this is wonderful if you want to charge through a green light about to turn red my audi senses this very well and can downshift on as little as half throttle if my right foot is fast enough also i think that a smart automatic can deliver better gas mileage than a dumb driver with a stick all else being equal remember that the idea of a stick being more economical than an automatic makes a big assumption that the driver is smart enough to know what gear to use for each situation how many times have you ridden with an inattentive driver cruising on the highway at 55 65 in 4th gear of a 5 speed how many of people who drive manuals really know what the best gear to use is for every conceivable situation im sure there will be some who know but i suspect that a chip controlled automatic with all possible scenario ratio combinations stored in rom is likely to do better i can also say that all my previous assumptions were proved wrong after i got a car with instantaneous mpg readout high gear low revs and wide open throttle is more economical than low gear high revs and small throttle opening the explanation is quite simple if one sits down to think about it but not that obvious at first sight eliot cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article 1993apr24 150653 8115 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu brian j queiser writes cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer writes i think that it is technicaly known as a 180 degree vee configuration could be wrong this is how ive seen them referred to then what is a flat engine flat 180 deg v horizonatlly opposed usually it also equals boxer however i think the term is traditionally reserved for 8s and 12s and firing order matters this was talked about here in r a many months back i cant remember the consensus examples ferraris 512tr is a flat 12 boxer porsches 911 is a flat 6 subarus impreza is a flat 4 regards not to inject a non automotive note to this thread but the bmw opposed twin used in motorcycles for a long time is and always has been known as a boxer ken franklin they say theres a heaven for people who wait ama and some say its better but i say it aint gwrra id rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints dod 0126 the sinners are lots more fun yknow only the good die young baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr20 004746 13007 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes to say that one player is better than another is to be able to say ab solutely that player as team would have played better with player b in their lineup sheer speculation impossible to ascertain there are very few disciplines where 100 certainty is necessary to state something as fact baseball is not one of them therefore i can say that i know clemens was better than morris last year and larkin was better than griffin no i cant ascertain this i cant prove it but im not required to do so and since you obviously feel that such threads are meaningless why dont you simply stay out of them valentine no im not going to be cordial roger maynard is a complete and total dickhead send me e mail if you insist on details baseball re pleasant yankee surprises in article 1993apr15 200629 7200 alleg edu luriem alleg edu michael lurie the liberalizer writes actually i kind of liked the abott trade we did trade the rookie of the year snow but with don mattingly at first for another 8 years why bother id be willing to make two wagers 1 snow doesnt win roy 2 mattingly is out of baseball within five years im skeptical of the first because i dont think snow is that good a player and he is on a losing team im skeptical of the second because of his back mattingly is 32 this year and how many players play until they are 40 not too many and most of them didnt have chronic back problems when they were 32 could be wrong on either or both but i think thats the smart way to bet cheers valentine cars re what car is this in article 2550 ericsson se etxmst sta ericsson se markus strobl 98121 writes in article 1r3n32innk9p ctron news ctron com smith ctron com lawrence c smith writes in article 1993apr21 032905 29286 reed edu rseymour reed edu robert seymour writes in article 1993apr20 174246 14375 wam umd edu lerxst wam umd edu wheres my thing writes it was called a bricklin bricklins were manufactured in the 70s with engines from ford waitaminnit didnt the bricklin have an pugeot six cylinder or am i confusing it with the delorean i was sure the delorean had a v8 the delorean had the yucky prv v6 engine a joint venture between peugout note spelling renault and volvo prv this engine is a mighty boring markus markus what is that we are noting about the spelling that you arent good at it that peugeot is out of n america what does this mean roland an intrigued peugeot admirer windows re canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 in article 1993apr18 041741 6051 csd newshost stanford edu kayman csd d 3 stanford edu robert kayman writes hello fellow netters i am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer i should purchase the canon bj200 bubblejet vs the hp deskjet 500 i thought rather than trust the salesperson i would benefit more from relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest potential and i figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls better than any salesperson now i would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 dpi of the canon bubblejet vs the hewlett packard deskjet 500 300 dpi which is faster is there a noticeable print quality difference particularly in graphics which will handle large documents better 75 pages or more any personal experience on either will be appreciated here which works better under windows 3 1 any driver problems etc cost of memory font packages toner cartridges etc basically your personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable both good and bad advance kudos and thanks for all your input e mail or news posting is readily acceptable but e mail is encouraged limits bandwidth sincerely robert kayman kayman cs stanford edu or cpa cs stanford edu in theory theory and practice are the same in practice they are not you mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision revised sorry for the followup but i couldny get email through on your addresses i too am trying to decide between these two printers and i would like to hear what users of these printers have to say about the questions above thank you randy randy msc cornell edu cars weird problem with gm 4 banger transmission im having an interesting problem with my girlfriends car before i delve into its innards i thought id check net wisdom on the subject its a 1985 buick skyhawk i know i know 2 0l efi 4 banger auto 35k miles when i drive tha car long enough to get it hot especially at highways speeds the transmission has this nasty habit of getting stuck in 3rd gear as a result when you stop for a light the motor stalls putting the car in park and waiting for 30 60 seconds before restarting sometimes allows the transmission to reset and go back into 1st otherwise it just stalls when put in drive my thoughts either it the 3rd gear band is binding and getting stuck when it gets hot not so likely or perhaps the lock up converter is not disengaging properly seems likely the least likely keeping fingers crossed is that some critical vacuum hose has broken cracked and this behaviour is due to lack of vaccuum somewhere as used to happen with old modulator valves my background is that my father owns a service station and i worked there on and off from 10 19 years of age please feel free to be as technical as you want id appreciate hearing any tips suggestions offers of free beer grin skoal chris guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5tki1 c8s rice edu fontenot ravl rice edu dwayne jacques fontenot writes too bad nothing will happen to her or him the fbi and the media have done their job well just want to make a comment on this if you live in this country long enough you should realize the media is no friend of the govt i am only concerned about fact that the media like to jump to conclusion before the facts but i am sure they are good in digging dirt as well afterall they like the controversial events which of course make news chuan chuan infamous lee email chuan stein u washington edu u of washington seattle religion re davidians and compassion in article 1e9e02bm40fm01 juts ccc amdahl com agr00 ccc amdahl com anthony g rose writes surely you are not equating david koresh with christianity the two are not comparable er why not medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article 1993apr15 163923 25120 microsoft com tomca microsoft com tom b carey writes ok just for grins kekule hypothesized a resonant structure for the aromatic benzene ring after waking from a dream in which a snake was swallowing his tail archimedes formalized the principle of buoyancy while meditating in his bath well certainly in archimedes case the description while observing the phenomena in his bath seems more accurate than while meditating in his bath it was after all a rather buoyancy intense environment gary h merrill principal systems developer c compiler development sas institute inc sas campus dr cary nc 27513 919 677 8000 sasghm theseus unx sas com mcnc sas sasghm guns re batf fbi revenge in article 2077 rwing uucp pat rwing uucp pat myrto writes i am sick dismayed discouraged and ashamed of our administration anybody for impeachment i have already called senators legislators and the governor demanding that the warrants be unsealed and that all involved in this atrocity including the president attorney general and governor be suspended pending an investigation i seriously doubt however that anything will ever be done welcome to amerika remember waco who will the government decide to murder next maybe you opinions are mine i dont care if you blame the university or the state windows coda music finale and petrucci font problem ive been using final from coda for some time but suddenly it stopped using my fonts i have a 386 pc with lots of disk space and memory a postscript laser win3 1 finale 2 0 1 and i recently installed atm 2 0 ive been fiddling around with the windows setup for some time and when i needed to do some work with finale things didnt print properly it might and it might not have anything to do with the installation of atm from 1 something to 2 0 but i dont have the old atm lying around anomore the most annoying problem was that the petrucci font didnt print which is a rather important font i managed to get direct printing to work if i included ownps 0 in the finale section of win ini but compile postscript listing still doesnt work and its those eps files i need when i look at the eps files generated the only font which appears there is courier i found out that if i manually changed the courier 24 point to petrucci 24 point in the eps file everything worked ok but id rather avoid that since i have a lot of songs to work with and yes in the special font font names dialog box all the fonts i need are listed with the correct mapping between finale screen and printer fonts finale is obviously aware of the fonts since direct printing of a score works well that is after i included ownps 0 and all my other windows applications print petrucci and the other fonts well has anyone encountered problems like this what is the current version of finale from coda music software i have 2 0 1 are the people at coda available on internet or x 400 id be grateful for all hints and help mats internet mats gar no quikcomm mats gar genor serverp mats garp x 400 g mats s tande o oslo p gr a telemax c no guns re whos next mormons and jews in article 1993apr20 003522 22480 midway uchicago edu thf2 midway uchicago edu writes in article 1qvfik 6rf usenet ins cwru edu cj195 cleveland freenet edu john w redelfs writes now that big brother has rubbed out one minority religion in waco who is next the mormons or jews the koreshians rubbed themselves out neither mormons nor jews have a propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene so im not particularly concerned or shall we blame jim jones on the government also be thankful that the batf standoff at least got some of the kids out before the cult committed mass suicide dont you believe that the branch davidians committed suicide for one minute i would not put it past the fbi to lob in some incendiary grenades while they feed your their story dont ever ever trust what your wonderful government tells you janet reno and the fbi have the murder of a hundred people on their hands hope they can sleep at night p vasilion kb2nmv suny buffalo std disclaimers all you cult haters happy now just hope that your not next cars re eagle talon tsi lemon in rec autos jay lorenzana u40348 uicvm uic edu wrote dear netters i am looking to buy a used eagle talon 91 or 91 tsi awd i would be concerned about how the car was driven and how well it was maintained i own a turbocharged one and i would never buy a turbocharged vehicle unless i knew the owner and his her driving maintenance habits question is that the 91 tsi awd was mentioned in the april consumer reports to a car to avoid i have been wondering about that myself the 90 awd models and the 91s were identical except for the abs option in particular the manual transmission yes some owners had problems with the transaxles using synthetic lubricants in the transaxles solved the problem in most cases the problem was not unique to the awds however it was common to all models the galant vr4 and gsx had the same transaxle but i didnt see those listed in cr electrical system i dont know of any major complaints in this area except that the battery that was installed at the factory had a low current rating and brakes were below par in both models the first fwd models those built before may 1989 were recalled for brake upgrades some fwd and awd owners had problems with warped rotors those of us who insist on using manual torque wrenches every time the lug nuts are tightened have never had a problem a friend of mine ownes a 90 tsi awd and he has had 2 brake jobs pads i can refer you to someone who has gone through a set of pads in one day it all depends on how you drive it seems that most owners have been getting between 40 70k on a set of pads one stuck valve first time i hear about a problem with the valve train on these cars other than timing belt failures and some clutch transmission problem something about sticking grinding into second gear this doesnt seem too bad if one beats on his car if your friend beats on the car then his unit is not a representative sample of the cars reliability my suggestion is instead of listening to the useless consumer reports talk to several owners the mailing list may be the best way to reach a few of them i am willing to suffer reliability for speed and looks seems you have to pay big buck if you want all three anyway can anyone please let me know how you like your talon and any problems you may have had and if the repairs are worth it if humor impaired skip to theend no matter how much you pay you wont get all three examples nsx reliability and looks ferrari reliability h h h h h h yeah right speed and looks theend the opinions stated above are not necessarily my employers roberto l landrau kc1yp landrau mitre org rll linus mitre org the mitre corporation bedford ma 01730 rll linus uucp windows re hercules graphite results tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes has anyone used a hercules graphite adapter it looks good on paper and steve gibson gave it a very good review in infoworld id love to get a real world impression though how is the speed drivers support rda771v monu6 cc monash edu au a b wuysang writes but the impressive performance of the graphite was not its winmark it was its wintach result esp the paint performance judging from the wintach tests i can hardly imagine that there is a cheat driver for it i received my graphite vl on thursday and ive had a little bit of experience with it now in general it feels fast although this is the first vlb card that i have tried still the results are impressive with my 486dx2 66 w 16 mb running at 1024x768 256 ive had the following wintach 1 0 results card wp cad spread paint overall ati graphics ultra 13 5 14 5 19 1 25 0 18 0 ati ultra no aperture 11 2 13 8 10 7 20 9 14 1 hercules graphite vl 16 1 67 8 41 4 52 8 44 5 unfortunately i dont have the numbers here but the ati ultra pro vlb had an overall wintach score of about 26 the ultra pro was nearly as fast in text handling but was blown away in the cad and paint tests as an additional test we hand timed a complex coreldraw slide resize redraw times there was no swapping but id expect there is a fairly heavy load on the cpu the graphite redraw times averaged about 10 2 seconds with ati ultra pro at 12 0 this jives with steve gibsons contention that the isa graphite is faster than an ati up on his complex micrografx draw document so far im very impressed the drivers look solid and the card flies the installation and utilities are different but comparable to atis and i didnt have to wait for build 59 for some reliability with hercules software developer special you can get an evaluation copy of the card for just 225 or 200 for the isa version call 800 532 0600 if you want to give it a try im a happy customer now tom haapanen tomh metrics com software metrics inc waterloo ont stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth now pull up thats how the corrado makes you feel car january 93 windows mouse jumpiness solved cant guarantee that itll work for everyone but i finally fixed my mouse jumpiness problems i installed a bus mouse sorry i didnt say the solution was free in the past id tried everything with my microsoft serial mouse cleaning it unloading all kinds of tsrs turning off smartdrv write cacheing changing com ports nothing worked yesterday i finally broke down and bought a mouse systems bus mouse the improvement is even better than i had imagined so much so that my old mouse must have been jumpy all the time i just thought it was jumpy sometimes and i had gotten so used to it i didnt notice my wife who uses the computer about once a month noticed the improvement literally within a second i cant say anything about other bus mice but with the mouse systems one youll have to give up either com2 or lpt2 to an irq also if you dont know mouse systems mice have three buttons the driver includes a utility that lets you assign keystrokes to the middle button hope this helps someone else if youre anywhere near as frustrated as i was its well worth the 80 stephen thomas at t tridom 404 514 3522 email sat eng tridom com attmail tridom sat guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu bill green writes what i would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident i believe the moves made were right and proper but i still have some problems with some of the tactics after watching the abc special on it tonight as well as cnn and nightline i question some of the atf and fbi actions some of 1 could it have been possible to have taken koresh outside the compound at some time before the feb 28th raid yes i think so and it has been reported as such seems like a cowboy movie style attack was needed for some reason 2 could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome the answer is probably yes but consider what was the worst thing that could have happened if they waited hint whatever it was it could not have been any worse that what did happen one other point im no fan of janet reno but i do like the way she had the balls to go ahead and take full responsibility seems like the waffle boy had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue but that statement of taking full responsibility is totally meaningless what are the consequences for being fully responsible for this disaster a note in your personnell file slick already called these people a bunch of crazy people and dismissed the idea she should resign doesnt take any balls at all to take the responsibility hell at that rate i will take full responsibility for it no skin off my nose bob rahe delaware tech comm college aids drugs abortion internet bob hobbes dtcc edu dont liberals just kill you ci 72406 525 genie bob rahe save whales and kill babies baseball re best first basemen in article 1993apr20 102857 1 tesla njit edu drm6640 tesla njit edu says don mattingly is the best first baseman in the history of baseball always has been always will be why bob vesterman windows re x windows for windows pc xview from ncd hcl exceed from hummingbird software all opinions expressed are my own because nobody else wants them jls antares larc nasa gov jon l sweet guns none in article 1993apr4 4332 33144 dosgate nigel allen canrem com nigel allen writes here is a press release from handgun control inc sarah brady calls on governor to veto nra bill bayh urged to follow clintons lead to state desk contact cheryl brolin of handgun control inc 202 898 0792 washington april 2 in a letter today to indiana gov evan bayh sarah brady wife of former white house press secretary james brady and chair of handgun control inc called on the governor to veto nra backed preemption legislation s b 241 which would wipe out existing local gun laws and prohibit localities from enacting future regulations governing the sale possession or transfer of firearms im counting on gov bayh to show the same kind of political courage president clinton showed as governor of arkansas when he twice vetoed this type of special interest legislation mrs brady said referring to clintons veto of nra backed preemption bills in 1989 and 1991 i knew that cutie would sell us out full blooded democrat he is seriously folks if it can happen here remember we all got gun racks on our 4x4s it can happen anywhere now to get that letter ready dear cutie as one who didnt vote for you i can sincerely say i am unhappy 30 nigel allen toronto ontario canada nigel allen canrem com canada remote systems toronto ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044 those who know whats best for us must try to save us from ourselves rush jason alley the opinions expressed were given to me earlham college richmond in by aliens living in my pancreas alleyja yang earlham edu the empire never ended medicine re homeopathy a respectable medical tradition in article c5hlbu i3a tripos com homer tripos com webster homer writes mhollowa ic sunysb edu michael holloway writes heres your error i really do think this shows some confusion on your part drum roll please science isnt so much the gathering of evidence to support an assertion read hypothesis as it is the gathering of empirical observations in order to make an hypothesis what should convince you or not shouldnt be the final product so much as how the product was made heres your error there is no observation or hypothesis that is not tainted by theory i have a theory i make observations those observations will be made with my theory in mind yes absolutely though id make the observation in a more general sense of all observations are made by human beings and therefore made with various biases but here your message leaves talk of hypothesis and gets back once again to equating the business of science with the end result the gizmo produced science works very well at developing theories within paradigms but is very poor at dealing with paradigm shifts if i develop a novel paradigm that explains homeopathy chinese medicine or spontaneous combustion if the paradigm is useful it will show me the way to make observations that prove or disprove it my point isnt so much whether or not you have a novel paradigm but how you come about developing it the paradigm of modern medicine is that the body can be reduced to a set of essentially mechanical operations wherein disease is seen as malfunctions in the machinery essentially the old newtonian model of the world it seems likely that theories based upon this paradigm do not give a complete discription of the universe medicine healing etc indeed we now recognize an important psychological component to healing perhaps youd admit that this is an oversimplification on your part the topic of the philosophy of science is made for them im making them too but i think that it also summarizes popular misconceptions of science and the business of doing science biomedical research doesnt make any basic assumptions that arent the same as any other discipline of scientific research that is that you make empirical observations form an hypothesis and test it modern medicine has much more to do with biochemistry than the old newtonian model of the world and i doubt that many psychologists would appreciate being put outside this empirical world view psychology also has more to do with biochemistry than spoon bending it is also important to distinguish reason from science science may be reasonable but so are many non scientific methodologies aristotle reasoned that frogs came from mud by observing one hop out of a puddle oversimplified of course but a good example this is an empirical observa tion it was then tested though perhaps not by aristotle and eventually found wanting in the meantime some folk will have continued to believe in the spontaneous generation of animal life theres nothing at all surprising about this its the way the gathering of knowledge works there are probably more than a few things in my own discipline of molecular biology that will be found to be totally off base even idiotic to someone in the future these future people wont have come to these relevations because they had suddenly gone all zen like and had a vision in an lsd trip someone will have thought of something new and tested it this is the bit that people who seem to relish misrepresenting science and research cant seem to wrap their minds around science is a creative process what i think of as factual and good research can be totally turned on its head tommorrow by new results and theories again i think it gets down to defining what you mean by science i often dont recognize what it is that i do and am involved in in the way science is portrayed by popular media or writings of people in the humanities they portray science as a collection of immutable facts pronouncements of truth in big gold letters thats silly its as though we just go into the lab turn over a stone and come up with a mechanism for transcriptional regula tion its much more interesting than that it really is a very human process windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 1993may8 183030 27483 infodev cam ac uk tjrc1 cus cam ac uk t j r cutts writes even so my point still stands to an extent that 64k limits appear all over the place where they really are not necessary such as the edit control limit while the 64k limit may not be necessary limitation they probably fall within the category of reasonable limitations if you find yourself trying to allocate an edit control for more than 64k of text its probably time take a good look at your programs design why is there such a small limit to the number of global memory handles allowed in what way is 8192 a small number it seems to me that youd hit the wall in many other ways before youd hit the systemwide limit on global handles unless of course youre abusing globalalloc and please dont try to tell me that its impossible to abuse the resources available under other operating systems all systems have limits the question is whether or not the limits are reasonable so far you havent offered a single argument which suggests that windows limits are any less reasonable than limits in other systems rick schaut uucp uunet uw beaver microsoft richs microsoft doesnt speak for me and i dont speak for microsoft guns re batf fbi revenge in donbc5sl24 ewu netcom com donb netcom com writes anyway heres how i see the waco affair id be interested in other peoples interpretations 1 koresh and his people were basically minding their own business 2 some weapons violations may have been committed and i wouldnt have disapproved of prosecuting him for those violations however i think the batf was criminal for starting negotiations with a military style assault and for firing into a house where there were children and other noncombatants 3 i dont see they couldnt just leave a token guard on the place and wait the bds out i dont approve of the tear gas approach and if it caused the fire to be started i think the fbi agent responsible should spend 10 20 years in jail i think the legal term would be negligent homicide 4 however if koreshs response to the tear gas was to kill everyone there i hold him largely responsible for their deaths well its nice to see someone with a brain a general lack of paranoia and a willingness to put his thoughts in public i tend to agree with all you have said never assume foul motives when stupidity will do jims corrolary to occams razor semper fi jammer jim miller texas a m university 89 and 91 i dont speak for uh which is too bad because they could use the help become one with the student billing system be the student billing system power finds its way to those who take a stand stand up ordinary man rik emmet gil moore mike levine triumph cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article 1993apr24 150653 8115 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu brian j queiser writes examples ferraris 512tr is a flat 12 boxer porsches 911 is a flat 6 subarus impreza is a flat 4 i think you got it the other way round the ferrari flat 12 is a 180 degree v12 and not a true boxer while the subaru and porsche are true boxers dont know about the vw bug though but i suspect that it is also a true boxer eliot religion re judas crucifixion tyre etc frank decenso i need to prioritize things in my life and this board is not all that important to me of course it is it forms a very big part of your self respect you come onto the board thinking youre some sort of apologeticist for your faith and you routinely get roasted over a grill for stupid theories and unfounded assumptions frank decenso this board will have to wait until if ever i can organize my life to fit it in i tried dropping out but sieferman coerced me to come back he wont this time i doubt that sieferman has anything to do with you dropping out its probably closer to the truth to say that you dont have the cards to play in this game because you insist on playing from a losing hand and youre finally realizing it you will lurk on the board and keep quiet for a while looking for an area where you are certain that you are correct and then well see you pop back in again of course you then will say that you have merely returned because your life is now in order but well know better windows how to hold the control to a window object hope i am in the right group im using bc s objectwindows version 3 1 trying to get some date processed in a window object however when invoking the window object the calling program gives up the control to the window object and keeps executing the next statement the source code may look like the following class mywindow public twindow void mycallingprog could the calling program be a c function mywindow mywinobj mywinobj new mywindow getapplication makewindow mywinobj mywinobj show sw shownormal next statement i want the program to wait here until mywinobj is closed so that i can get some data back from mywinobj i specified the window style to be ws popupwindow didnt help is there any other way to execute the window object so that the calling program wont give up the control any help would be appreciated thanks jun to talk to the lord with ps 2 through ms windows medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition gary merrill writes not every wild flight of fancy serves or can serve in the appropriate relation to a hypothesis it is somewhat interesting that when anyone is challanged to provide an example of this sort the only one they come up with is the one about kekule surely there must be others but apparently this is regarded as an extreme example of a non rational process in science whereby a successful hypothesis was proposed but how non rational is it indeed an extreme example it came out of nowhere the connection kekule saw between it and his problem is fortunate but not extraordinary i for example often receive conjure solutions hypotheses for solutions to my everyday problems at moments when i appear to myself to be occupied with activities quite removed algorithms for that new software feature come when i trample the meadow on my occasional runs alternative better ways to instruct and rear my sons arrive while i weed the garden ill swear i am not thinking about any of it when ideas come these ideas are not the stuff of great discoveries of course but my connecting them to particular problems is fraught with deliberation and occasional fits of rationality surely it wasnt the only daydream kekule had what was special about this one could it have had something to do with a perceived analogy between the geometry of the snakes and problems concerning geometry of molecules yes and he was lucky to have such a colorful vivid image i alas will never figure out why returning worms to the loose soil of my garden brought have him count objects instead of merely count to mind regarding my 2 year olds fledging arithmetic skills upon close examination is there a non rational mystical leap taking place or is it perhaps closer to a formal though often incomplete analogy or model the latter worms wiggling around in the dirt fascinate my son regards ted ted lehr my thoughts opinions and questions future systems technology group aws ibm internet lehr futserv austin ibm com austin tx 78758 baseball re why spanky on mon 12 apr 93 00 53 14 gmt in 1993apr12 005314 5700 mnemosyne cs du edu greg spira gspira nyx cs du edu wrote does anybody in the pittsburgh area know why mike lavalliere was released last year i kept saying that slaught should get the bulk of the playing time that he was clearly the better player at this point but leyland insisted on keeping a pretty strict platoon and now he is released that doesnt make any sense to me greg the story goes like this spanky is too slow if he were quicker he would still be here but with slaught and tom prince they didnt want to lose prince in order to bring up that 11th pitcher slaught is about as good as spanky and prince is coming along nicely dont feel too bad for him hes still gonna get theat 4 000 000 over the next two years hell be able to do most of what he wants to do jon iain boone network systems administrator boone psc edu iain cmu edu pittsburgh supercomputing center 412 268 6959 i dont speak for anyone other than myself unless otherwise stated cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes i am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines v8 dont know of any kidding right corvette several mbzs and bmws mustang gt etc etc theres a lot of them you from a european site kenny kenny crudup att bl mv20 3 t 5 b x3219 kenny mvuts att com medicine looking for info on kemotherapy sp hello a friend is under going kemotherapy sp for breast cancer im trying to learn what i can about it any info would be appreciated thanks cars re where can i get a new york taxi in article 15631 ncrcan canada ncr ca tnelson ncrcan canada ncr ca tim nelson writes the older ny taxis were made by the checker car company and i would love to have one or is the checker car company still in business checker motors went out of business in 1982 its hard to get old checkers that are worth restoring since almost every one was a fleet vehicle that was driven into the ground if you can get a body in decent shape the mechanicals should all be available somewhere checker used whatever parts were around for instance i had a chevy straight six and a gmc truck radiator and a ford rear in mine the model that i am looking for is the checker marathon actually you want a checker special if you can find one good luck im sorry i let mine go medicine re pregnency without sex in article 10030 blue cis pitt edu kxgst1 pitt edu kenneth gilbert writes in article stephen 735806195 mont stephen mont cs missouri edu stephen montgomery smith writes when i was a school boy my biology teacher told us of an incident in which a couple were very passionate without actually having sexual intercourse somehow the girl became pregnent as sperm cells made their way to her through the clothes via persperation was my biology teacher misinforming us or do such incidents actually occur sounds to me like someone was pulling your leg there is only one way for pregnancy to occur intercourse these days however there is also artificial insemination and implantation techniques but were speaking of natural acts here it is possible for pregnancy to occur if semen is deposited just outside of the vagina i e coitus interruptus but thats about at far as you can get through clothes no way better go talk to your biology teacher kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh well now doc i sure would not want to bet my life on those little critters not being able to get thru one layer of sweat soaked cotton on their way to do their programmed task infrequent yes unlikely yes but impossible i learned a long time ago never to say never in medicine g len howard md facog religion re jewish history question in article cocoac5ug2q ksb netcom com cocoa netcom com writes in article 1993apr10 195513 17991 csi uottawa ca misrael csi uottawa ca mark israel writes in article cocoac5797e 43y netcom com cocoa netcom com little e writes deleted here tis someone just told me that the old testament books were translated into greek a long time ago yes thats a famous version called the septuagint it was a translation made by greek jews and that the originals were destroyed in a fire soon afterward no i dont know what youre referring to here when the jersusalem temple was destroyed some manuscripts may have been lost but i think our extant hebrew manuscripts are as good as our greek ones i dont know about any originals the person who was telling me about the septuagint version said that the greeks had a wonderful library in alexandria that was full of manuscripts scrolls and that it was burned soon after the septuagint version was translated perhaps to conceal some changes in the different versions or perhaps just as part of the typical burning of valuable things that occurs during changes in power groups he i dunno no the library at alexandria was perhaps the greatest library ever built in the world the greeks had a love of wisdom philo sophos and this great love was reflected in the alexandrian library the christians got a hold of it and began modifying and purging texts and then the moslems invaded and either the christians burned the library to keep it from falling into moslems hands far more likely since they were the book burners not the moslems or it burned in the sack of the city or the moslems burned it either way a tremendous amount of information was lost the destruction of the library of alexandria was probably one of the greatest crimes of man against man so i was just wondering since i imagine some jewish people somewhere must have had copies of the earlier hebrew versions is the hebrew version of the old testament very different from the greek derived version no there are a few famous discrepancies isaiahs prophecy about a young woman was changed into a virgin which was how the new testament writers read it but not many actually the hebrew almah young woman was translated as the hellenistic greek parthenos which may or may not be correctly translated into the modern and technical english term virgin the jews did not have the type of virginity cult that the greco romans had in artemis and diana well perhaps this is the answer then deleted if you go to a jewish bookstore youll get a bible translated by jews so there will be some differences in interpretation but the text theyre translating from is basically the same the standard text used by christians and jews is the masoretic text jews of course use the text in its original hebrew without translation if you want to read the original you can buy an interlinear bible that contains the hebrew old testament and the greek new testament with an english translation written underneath each word if you want a bible with a possibly more original basic text you can try to find a samaritan bible good luck ive never seen one the samaritans no not the good samaritans have their own version of the 5 books of moses they claim the jewish bible was altered by ezra propaganda thanks for the tips now i just have to find someone to teach me samaritan just me little e so is a good samaritan hard to find or is a hard oh finish this baseball re bring on the os i heard that eli is selling the team to a group in cinninati this would help so that the os could make some real free agent signings in the offseason training camp reports that everything is pretty positive right now the backup catcher postion will be a showdown between tackett and parent although i would prefer parent 1 draft pick jeff hammonds may be coming up faster in the os hierarchy of the minors faster than expected mike flanagan is trying for another comeback big ben is being defended by coaches saying that while the homers given up were an awful lot most came in the beginning of the season and he really improved the second half this may be bens year i feel that while this may not be mussinas cy young year he will be able to pitch the entire season without periods of fatigue like last year around august i really hope baines can provide the rf support the os need orsulak was decent but i had hoped that chito martinez could learn defense better and play like he did in 91 the os right now dont have many left handed hitters anderson proving last year was no fluke and cals return to his averages would be big plusses in a drive for the pennant the rotation should be sutcliffe mussina mcdonald rhodes olson is an interesting case will he strike out the side or load the bases and then get three pop outs you never know the way i see the al east this year with personal biases mixed in baltimore new york toronto milwaukee cleveland boston detroit the top 4 are the only true contenders in my mind one of these 4 will definitely win the division unless it snows in hell maryland i feel that this baltimores season to finally put everything together admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu committee for the liberation and intergration of terrifying organisms and their rehabilitation into society from red dwarf polymorph the bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed this sig has been brought to you by frungy the sport of kings baseball re bob knepper was damn right why did i get sucked into this in article 1993apr19 035406 11473 news yale edu austin jacobs writes dont you guys think so i mean cmon what the heck are women doing even thinking of getting into baseball they cause so many problems just assuming youre serious i guess youd be surprised to hear that us guys dont think so i would guess that a tiny fraction of 1 of the folks reading your post agree with it i kind of doubt that even you agree with it im not going to go through your points one at a time because after all not many of them have anything at all to do with baseball im only replying to this because you brought up pam postema the aaa umpire who sued is suing baseball on the grounds of sex discrimination because she wasnt promoted to the majors jeez look at pam postema just because shes a woman everybody on the face of the earth thinks its great that shes getting an opportunity to ump if you even watched the games and had an iq greater than that of roast beef youd see that she is not nearly as good as most aaa umpires ive never seen her ump a game i have no first hand experience with her ability as an umpire but i have seen her on talk shows and her point seems to be that she can call balls and strikes as well as any of the umpires and she knows the rulebook better than most it seems to me that she is missing the point and if thats how she sees the role of umpires in the game well i wouldnt promote her either the umpires primary role has nothing to do with calling baserunners safe or out hell joe lundy could do that their primary function is to maintain order in the game keep the game moving and keep the players from trying to kill each other umpires have to be extremely tough people that disqualifies most of us both men and women and if ms postema thinks that she deserves to be a major league umpire because of her command of the rulebook then i think that disqualifies her as well umpires need to command the game command of the rulebook is secondary dave eisen to succeed in the world it is not dkeisen leland stanford edu enough to be stupid you must also sequoia peripherals 415 967 5644 be well mannered voltaire home 415 321 5154 baseball tickets for sale my brother purchased baseball tickets for texas rangers vs toronto bluejays in july but he was unable to get vacation days to get there is anyone interested in purchasing the following arlington stadium arlington texas texas rangers vs toronto bluejays thursday july 22 friday july 23 4 tickets section 103 helmet night 14 each 4 tickets section 305 14 each if you want them all the total is 112 00 please contact me over e mail or directly to my brother randy hollister 19 rosemont lane streator il 61364 815 672 5265 my brother would be eternally grateful for someone to purchase these tickets thank you j broocks knossos u washington edu cars insurance says car is totalled on wednesday morning another driver decided to illegally turn left in front of me doing great damage to my car honda civic i have yet to pay off the car and the body shop says the insurance company wants to total the car i havent been able to get in touch with the person handling my claim so i checked on some things 1 my payout is 3700 00 2 blue book retail is 5650 00 3 loan value is 4450 00 4 trade in value is 4000 00 could anyone give me any advice on what i should could do if the insurance company does not give me a reasonable amount for the loss of the car thanks james baker baker dfwvx1 dallas geoquest slb com windows re challenge to microsoft supporters bferrell cicada occ uc edu brett ferrell writes in article 1993may13 015407 24313 microsoft com jenk microsoft com jen kilm er writes found there were actually two surveys one of randomly selected resellers one of randomly selected users from the 6 upgrade registered user database both surveys showed a 93 positive rating jen if jd power and associates did the survey i would like an anonymous ftp site to pick it up at only a sucker believes an ms released survey results about an ms product ok assume that the results of the survey whatever they are are 100 honest if the results indicated extreme dissatisfaction with the product is ms going to tell us to stop buying ms dos 6 0 because it sux sure would it not be fair to say that the relatively few people who have decided to purchase 6 would be inclined to like it just as those of us who love os 2 most of the people who but them know more or less what to expect and are not disappointed i mean it is nice to know that the people who bought it are happy and important for ms to know and i dont dispute the accuracy i just would hate to see people extrapolate from that population that dos 6 is the next computer revolution well these statistics are to shut people up and add some microscopic weight to ms arguments as i just said you have seen what automakers do who is going to believe chrysler if they tell us in a random chrysler conducted survey my theory about certain people is that they are convinced that if a point is maintained long enough it is true after all what is the focus of this company information money and information technology is for some an expedient toward these ends why did bill gates drop out of college was it because he couldnt afford it at the time was it because as the wsj says he couldnt wait to use what he knew to go out and make money bill gates answer to this question would be highly interesting i await it i cant stomach bill declaring himself a visionary and using every available opportunity to build up the cult around himself and then having ms sell dos and windoze as their main stays kenton cmu edu os 2 fixes broken windows windows re overlapped window without a title bar from article 1rc07h ern olivea atc olivetti com by manu oas olivetti com manu das i have a overlapped window say v which has few child windows a b c etc the window shows up with all its children fine now i create another child t with a ws thickframe style and placed on top of one or more of its siblings style ws thickframe is used so that i can resize it how do i make sure that the child t will always be at the top of its siblings i used setwindowpos and bringwindowtotop without success whats happening is that while i am resizing t it shows up but as soon as i let go it goes behild its siblings the window is probobly on top but the lower windows are drawing over it try using ws clipsibling to keep the lower siblings from drawing on the top siblings space ed ekalenda netcom com guns re my gun is like my american express card jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu david veal says jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes dont be silly of course you can the police have everything the gangs have and then some plus theyve got access to the national guard via the governor if things get too rough thats tanks for those of you whove never seen them at play of course theyve got rifles and helicopters and as far as fully automatic weapons you can be a lot better armed if you want to hit what you aim at what seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of proportion in my post i was referring to your regular patrolman in a car cruising around the city vs gang members of course the police have access to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the time of course they dont and thats the point i was trying to make every day when i go out to lunch i always see cops coming in the majority that i see are still carrying revolvers not that there is anything wrong with a revolver but if youre a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple of automatics in his coat i mean semi auto handguns youre going to be at a disadvantage even with training how so i think youre making assumptions here that might not necessarily be true my personal choice would be a semi auto but revolvers are just as effective if not more so i have been at a shooting range where gang gang members were practicing shooting they were actually practicing taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target and they werent doing too badly either relevancy please you sound shocked but that hardly proves anything the university cops here who are are state cops are armed better than the chicago police it seems most state cops are i dont know where you are originally from david but you live in tennesse and i live in chicago and see this crap everyday on the news and in the papers i think the situation is just a tad different here than there wait doesnt chicago have serious gun control if so why do the police need all that firepower in the first place sarcasm alert all the patrol cars ive seen around here have shotguns clamped to the dash board imho thats all the police need to outgun just about anything jason the crystal wind is the storm and the storm is data and the data is life the players litany from the long run by d k moran steiner jupiter cse utoledo edu medicine re toxoplasmosis in article 1240002 isoit109 bbn hp com sude isoit109 bbn hp com susanne denninger writes 1 how dangerous is it from whom is it especially dangerous dangerous only to immune suppressed persons and fetuses to them it is extremely dangerous most of the rest of us have already had it and it isnt dangerous at all 2 how is it transmitted i read about raw meat and cats but id like to have more details cat feces are the worst pregnant women should never touch the litter box 3 what can be done to prevent infection cook your meat watch it with pets 4 what are the symptoms and long term effects youll have to read up on it 5 what treatments are availble there is an effective antibiotic that can keep it in check of course it cant reverse damage already done such as in a fetus gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon medicine dental fillings question i have been hearing bad thing about amalgam dental fillings some say the lead mercury leeches into your system and this is bad and i have recently heard that there is some suspicion that the mercury is a breeding ground for bacteria that will be resistant to antibiotics my dentist wants to use an amalgam filling for me in a place where i have two cavaties in one tooth and wants to use one filling to cover both he says that composite filling dont hold up well when they are large so i would like to know if there are any other choices besides amalgam and composite and should i really even be worried about amalgam i heard that some scandanavian country does not even use them any more is this true any information you can give me will be greatly appreciated thanks dave childs cars v4 v6 v8 v12 vx i am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines v4 i dont know of any v6 legend mr3 mr6 v8 dont know of any v12 jaguar xjs please add to the list thanks s ssave ole cdac com religion re catholic right pat robertson in 93105 093812kevxu cunyvm bitnet kevxu cunyvm bitnet writes rocco l martino a philadelphia business executive wrote separation of church and state is a false premise that must finally be cast aside and replaced by the true meaning of our constitution blechhhh gimme that ole time inquisition oh yes the organizations national ecclesisatical advisor is catholic politician cardinal john j oconnor of new york it figures doesnt it michael l siemon we must know the truth and we must mls ulysses att com love the truth we know and we must or act according to the measure of our love mls panix com thomas merton guns senate and house addresses in article c5ua7r dad da vinci it uswc uswest com pprun august it uswc uswe would someone please post the generic addresses for congress and senate so that we can all write letters unites states senate washington d c 20510 the house of representatives washington d c 20515 the white house washington d c 20500 seth unlike cats dogs never scratch you when you wash them they just become very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong dave barry seth eliot dept of material science and engineering carnegie mellon univerity pittsburgh pa arpa eliot cmu edu or se08 andrew cmu edu bitnet se08 andrew cmccvb medicine re krillean photography stgprao st unocal com richard ottolini writes living things maintain small electric fields to 1 enhance certain chemical reactions 2 promote communication of states with in a cell 3 communicate between cells of which the nervous system is a specialized example and perhaps other uses true these electric fields change with location and time in a large organism also true special photographic techniques such as applying external fields in kirillian photography interact with these fields or the resistances caused by these fields to make interesting pictures not really kirlian photography is taking pictures of the corona discharge from objects animate or inanimate the fields applied to the objects are millions of times larger than any biologically created fields if you want to record the biologically created electric fields youve got to use low noise high gain sensors typical of eegs and ekgs kirlian photography is just phun with physics type stuff right up there with soaking chunks of extra fine steel wool in liquid oxygen then hitting them with a hammer which like a kirlean setup is fun but possibly dangerous perhaps such pictures will be diagonistic of disease problems in organisms when better understood perhaps not probably not grant edwards yow vote for me im rosemount inc well tapered half cocked ill conceived and grante aquarius rosemount com tax deferred medicine re centi and milli pedes in article 1993apr28 081953 21043 nmt edu msnyder nmt edu rebecca snyder writes does anyone know how posionous centipedes and millipedes are the millipedes around here austin have no sting some of the centipedes do the question rebecca snyder asks is much like asking how venomous are snakes one either wants to ask which snake or point to some reference on the many different species of snake similarly there are many different species of millipede and centipede these are different families millipedes have two pairs of legs per body segment while centipedes have but one pair sorry if this information is not useful russell medicine re how often do kids fall sick etc in article ashwin 93may2131021 leo gatech edu ashwin cc gatech edu ashwin ram writes our 20 month son has started falling sick quite often every since he started going to day care he was at home for the first year and he did not fall sick even once now it seems like he has some sort of cold or flu pretty much once a month most of the time the cold leads to an ear infection as well with the result that he ends up being on antibiotics 3 weeks out of 4 i know kids in day care fall sick more often but we sounds pretty familiar i posted similar cries about last september when caroline just entered daycare she was two then and have been with continuous colds since until last march as spring approaches her colds slowed down meanwhile we grew more and more relaxed about her colds only once did the doctor diagnosed an ear infection and only twice she had antibiotics the other time was due to sinus infection and i wished that i did not give her that awful septra are there any studies that can help answer some of these questions there are the net studies that is if you read this newsgroup often there will be a round of questions like this every month there might be formal studies like that but bear with my not so academic experience okay how often do kids in their first second and third years fall sick how often do they get colds flus ear infections gee i bet 50 50 youll hear cases in all these catagories is there any data on home care vs day care i am pretty sure an insulated child at home sicks less but that child still will face the world one day does being sick build immunity leading to less illness later thats what i believe and comfort myself with caroline will get more and more colds for sure before she learned not to stick her hand in other kids mouth nor let other kids do the same cold virus mutate easily however i hope that her immune system will be stronger to fight these diseases so she would be less severely affected everytime she has a cold we make sure she blow her nose frequently and give her dorcol or dimetapp at night so she can have good rest thanks to some suggestions from the net thats about all the care she needs from us i try very hard to keep her off antibiotics twice her ped gave me choice to decide whether she would have antibiotics i waited just long enough 3 4 days to see that she fought the illness off i do understand that you dont have much choice if the child is in pain and or high fever does it make kids weaker leading to more illness later or does it not have any long term effect if the child doesnt rely on antibiotics to fight off the sickness everytime then the child should be stronger does taking antibiotics on a regular basis have any negative long term effects ill leave this to expert how does one tell if a child is more susceptible to illness than normal and what does one do about it if your child just entered daycare im pretty sure the first 6 months will be the hardest then you get more used to it boy do i hate to see me typing this sentence i recall when i read something like this last september i said to myself oh sure but i do get used to it now however i do hear people say that it does get better after a year or two i am looking forward to a healthier next winter as it gets warmer i hope you do get some break soon is there any way to build immunity and resistance eat well sleep well try not to use antibiotics if not absolutely necessary good luck wen lin baseball re new uniforms while i enjoy the trend towards the more classic style of uniform and i disagree with the person who wants a return to the non gray road uniforms it should be remembered that one of the if not the reason for the redesigning of uniforms especially hats re the new road all green as caps and the cardinal navy blue road cap is the marketing money to be made in sales of new merchandise jeffrey popovich jpopovich guvax georgetown edu cars re electronic odometer in article c5fp8b 2co megatest com alung megatest com aaron lung writes if im not mistaken altering the odometer is illegal furthermore i surmise itll be tough to alter bmws odometer if you got at it some of the newer bmws have electronic odometers making it even more tamperproof on the cars mentioned 3 series from the late 80s the electronic odometer is really a mechanical drum type odometer that is driven by pulses from a speed sensor on the rear axle these pulses are converted into mechanical pulses that turn the odometer and speedometer no way changing or erasing an eprom is going to change the mileage reading it also means the odometer is just as easy or hard to change as any other mechanical odometer on the other hand it is a bit easier to disconnect the speed sensor and run the car with no speedometer or odometer reading a simple switch will do the job it also will disable the speed limiter which will enable the car to reach its full speed alan l peterman 503 684 1984 hm work al qiclab scn rain com its odd how as i get older the days are longer but the years are shorter cars re license plates in a previous article edf003 marshall wvnet edu says hi im interested in getting the list for license plate numbers if anyone has a listing id appreciate getting a copy of it thanks you must be incredibly bored have you considered reading the phone book dod 650 darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion medicine re persistent vs chronic in article enea1 270493135255 enea apple com enea1 applelink apple com horace enea writes can anyone out there tell me the difference between a persistent disease and a chronic one for example persistent hepatitis vs chronic hepatitis i dont think there is a general distinction rather there are two classes of chronic hepatitis chronic active hepatitis and chronic persistent hepatitis i cant think of any other disease where the term persistent is used with or in preference to chronic much as these two terms chronic active and chronic persistent sound fuzzy the actual distinction between the two conditions is often fairly fuzzy as well david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu windows old irish gaelic truetype font synopsis of replies re irish gaelic truetype font wanted synopsis i wrote can anyone tell me where i can find an ms windows truetype font that will give me the characters used in writing irish gaelic in the old style for example in this font the letter t would look something like a c with a horizontal bar sitting on the top and the letter g would look something like an s with a horizontal bar sitting on the top many thanks to those who responded to my question unfortunately i have had no luck in actually getting such a font and a lot of people interested in geting one and so i have decided to create my own truetype font fitting that description this font is based on that used in the 1904 issue of dineens dictionary and is typical of that found in irish books from the early part of the century this may take me some time to do in my limited spare time but ill make it available to anyone who is interested when it is ready the responses i received are summerised below kevin donnelly caoimhin smo ac uk mentioned that michael everson everson irlearn ucd ie had developed some clo gaelach fonts for the macintosh and may be able to advise me i contacted michael and he told me that he has three fonts available for the macintosh and that he will eventually port them to the pc but that he will be charging ir 100 about 160 for each one pbryant ukelele gcr com mentioned that he uses two font that have a nice irish gaelic look to them these are durrow and american uncial normal i dont know where you can get these but i dont think that they have the effects i am looking for finally rhiannon netcom com rhia mentioned that the meath font included in the casady greene fluent laser fonts 2 package is very much like what i was describing i faxed casady greene for info but got no reply so thats it ill post these newsgroups when i make my font available colum twomey medicine results of gusto heart attack study to be released friday here is a press release from medical science communications results of gusto heart attack study to be released friday to assignment desk medical writer contact jim augustine of medical science communication 703 644 6824 or steve hull or tracy furey 800 477 9626 or april 29 30 202 393 2000 or 202 662 7592 j w marriott news advisory results of the largest heart attack study ever undertaken the global utilization of streptokinase and t pa for occluded coronary arteries trial gusto will be presented friday april 30 at the clinical research meeting a press conference will be held at 12 30 p m gusto evaluates the most aggressive emergency room treatment strategies available to clear blocked heart arteries and restore blood flow to the heart a process called thrombolysis the thrombolytic strategies compared in gusto use powerful drugs to break up blood clots in heart vessels quickly and prevent clots from recurring these strategies have never been compared directly in a large scale clinical trial until gusto the results are expected to have an important impact on heart attack treatment worldwide the press conference will be held at two locations live at the national press club main lounge 13th floor 529 14th st n w washington d c and via satellite at the hotel macklowe 145 w 44th street 4th floor new york city between broadway and 6th avenue gusto results will be presented by eric topol m d gusto study chairman professor and chairman of the department of cardiology at the cleveland clinic foundation robert califf m d clinical director gusto coordinating center and associate professor of medicine at duke university medical center and allan ross m d coordinator of the gusto angiographic substudy and professor and director of the division of cardiology at the george washington university medical center editorial notes attention television the press conference may be viewed in its entirety via satellite starting at 12 30 p m edt c band telestar 302 transponder 2v dual audio 6 2 6 8 or kusbs6 transponder 8 following the press conference there will be a news package and b roll feed camera ready illustrations also will be available at the press conference telephone hook up to the press conference is planned availability is limited please call mcs for more information for reporters who will be at the sheraton washington attending the clinical research meeting on friday morning minibus transportation will be provided to the press conference the bus will depart at 12 p m it also will be available for return to the sheraton after the press conference for more information contact steve hull or tracy furey of mcs for the gusto study group at 800 477 9626 or at the j w marriott april 29 to april 30 at 202 393 2000 or 202 662 7592 for more information about the clinical research meeting contact jim augustine of medical science communications at 703 644 6824 30 canada remote systems toronto ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044 windows re re re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 1993may16 135022 27516 gps leeds ac uk csympc scs leeds ac uk m p conmy writes in article c716uq ii3 feenix metronet com jack feenix metronet com jack hudler writes in article twalls 02vo ncc1701d demon co uk twalls ncc1701d demon co uk tim walls writes but i dont want to have to run blasted windows every time i want to delete a tree it is absolutely ludicrous to load a hog like that just to delete some files it would be like requiring a crane to change the tyre on a car then why dont you download som of the public domain utilitys the do exactly what you want an shut up why should he have to this sort of thing should be included how about the millions of people who dont have access to pd libraries over networks just because people can work around it doesnt mean that something shouldnt be done to remedy the situation these are perfectly valid points and i agree im glad we ms are starting to remedy this situation with dos 6 and it will get better in future releases you do need to be aware of some history however in the mid late 80s mss point of view was that os 2 was going to take over the world and dos would be phased out as such resources for dos and windows for that matter development were mostly redirected to os 2 the theory was to keep just enough resources on dos to support people until they started using os 2 so utilities and such for dos fell by the wayside then windows 3 0 hit the market os 2 flopped 1 x at least 2 x seems to be doing a little better but its future is still cloudy and people either stayed with their dos 3 x and 4 x apps or moved to windows about that point in time ms made its decision to drop os 2 for dos windows in the short term and windows nt in the long term dos 5 much improved over dos 3 x and 4 x was the first result of mss refocussing on dos and windows version 6 takes things somewhat further and i suspect future versions will offer even more in terms of real os features i work on nt and have no real clue about what my coworkers over in dosland are doing but i do know that there are a heck of a lot more of them than there were a few years ago dave of course these are my opinions if you want mss opinions as a pr person guns re change of name in article cmm 0 90 2 735315429 thomasp holmenkollen ifi uio no thomasp ifi uio no thomas parsli writes 1 make a new newsgroup called talk politics guns paranoid or talk politics guns theyr here to take me away 2 move all postings about waco and burn to guess where 3 stop posting on this newsgroup we are all so glad youre trying to save us from the evil goverment but would you mail this in regular mail to lets say 1000 people thomas parsli and everybody who talked about the evil arising in europe was labeled reactionary in the late 1930s after all we could negotiate with hitler and trust him to keep his end of the bargain at least thats what stalin and chamberlin thought i guess they forgot to teach you about your country being overrun by the germans in wwii eh thomas and im sorry you consider outrage at government excesses to be everytime the israelis conduct a mass operation against a terrorist group that is actively killing their citizens and soldiers the world gets indignant but its ok for the us to assault its own citizens who were a religous minority and accused of sexual deviation and hoarding weapons i find it real ironic this happened the same day al gore arrived in poland to recognize the sacrifices made in the warsaw ghetto where the same justifications were raised for an armed assault by black clad troops with armor support james s cochrane when in danger or in doubt run in this space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles scream and shout for rent guns re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm 0 90 2 734814613 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes observations from a naive norwegian 1 guns are made to kill people not to shoot target or to have something more macho than stamps to collect 2 it is more easy to kill injure someone with a gun than with a knife or a bat as in baseball 3 its not very wise to compare two completely different countries like usa and lets say island on issues like crime and violence 4 yes the problem is people committing crimes not the tools beeing used but 1 should be taken into concideration only as far as it affects the crime rate we have a very strict gun legislation in norway but until recently it was possible for enyone over 18 years to buy a shotgun shotguns are used mainly for hunting in norway but because it was so easy to accuire one it was the most used gun in crimes the solution was to restrict the sale so its now necessary to apply and register your shotgun and unbelievable the use of guns in crime fell did the rate of crime fall if not the ban was of no use it is the rate of violent crime that matters not the tools used its the crime stupid there are now a new law against wearing long knives in public and why should it be allowed apparently that became the weapon of choice after the shotguns were banned after that theyll decide the car of choice is the saab and propose a ban on that what i as an scandinavian have problems to understand is that you americans have a more liberal view on guns and violence than on nudity and sex try showing a bare breast on tv insted of violence and murder yes i know a little american history but is it a civil human right to have an assault gun in your home and or an handgun in your car yes we still trust honest people here for the time being the bad english is not my fault its probably the keyboard software or the quality of the subtext on tv disclamer not these are the views of all studens at my university all norwegians and probably whole of the universe thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 baseball re jim lefebvre is an idiot in article 1993apr5 190141 17623 bsu ucs 00bjgood leo bsuvc bsu edu writes i just wanted to let everyone know that i have lost what little respect i have for jim lefebvre after seeing todays cubs game a dishard cub fan if you think thats bad just wait until he tries dunston in the leadoff spot again yes i also wonder if they can win with this manager i never believed managers had that much to do with winning until i saw how much they had to do with losing rick cars rec autos frequently asked consumer automotive questions archive name rec autos part5 this article is one of a pair of articles containing commonly asked automotive questions the other article contains questions more geared to the automotive enthusiast and so is not crossposted to misc consumers rpw changes as of 14 april 1993 revised brake fluid section as non silicone dot 5 fluids are now apparently available rpw commonly asked automotive questions tire questions q what do the funny numbers on the sides of my tires mean a typically you will see something like 195 60hr14 the 195 is the overall width of the tire in millimeters the tread is usually narrower the 60 is the aspect ratio it indicates the height of the sidewall of the tire relative to the overall width our example tire has a sidewall height of 0 60 195 117 mm the 14 is the wheel diameter in inches there are also some special tires called trx tires which have three digit metric wheel diameter designations like 390 which is in millimeters the r means radial and the h is a speed rating indicating the highest speed at which the tire when properly inflated and carrying an appropriate load may safely operate common speed ratings are s 112mph t 118mph h 130mph and v up to 150mph recent changes to the method for specifying tire sizes move the speed rating to a different part of the designation you may therefore find designations like 195 60r14 85h the 85 indicates the per tire load associated with the speed rating exceeding this load in continuous operation at the rated speed is dangerous practice what follows is a table showing a number of load indices and corresponding maximum per tire loads load index 50 51 88 89 112 113 145 149 157 max load kg 190 195 560 580 1120 1150 2900 3250 4125 note that the usual mass vs weight confusion occurs in this table in some cases the letters p or lt may be found in front of a tire size the lt designation indicates light truck and the p designation indicates passenger car if no letter is given then the application of the tire is passenger car usage as far as i know these letters only appear in the us market the lt designation is prinicipally of interest to owners of light trucks and other utility vehicles for the owner of a passenger vehicle there is no meaningful difference between a tire with a p designation and one with no designation at all if the aspect ratio is omitted it is probably 80 but may be 78 tires with an ms mud snow designation may have their speed rating reduced by 20 km h about 12mph there is an additional set of ratings on tires for temperature traction and treadwear temperature and traction are graded a b and c with a the best and c the worst treadwear is a numeric rating these values are of limited value as they are assigned somewhat arbitrarily by tire manufacturers and are thus not useful in comparing different brands of tires q my car has tires with a funny size designation 185 65hr390 can i put normal tires on the car a your tires are called trx tires they were devised by michelin because of a somewhat different bead design they are incompatible with normal tires michelin used a different diameter wheel for them so that they could not be mounted on the wrong type wheel and so that more conventional tires could not be mounted on trx type wheels you will need to aquire different wheels to put a normal tire on your car it is barely possible to fit normal tires on trx wheels and horribly dangerous to do so the tires may simply peel off the rims in a corner or possibly blow out at high speed trx type tires are becoming hard to find in addition to michelin avon makes suitable tires goodyear has apparently discontinued their line of trx tires q can i rotate radials from side to side or rotate them only on one side of my car a car and tire manufacturers have differing views on this subject many say that swapping radials between the left and right hand sides of a car is now ok this group includes michelin and goodyear others for example pirelli and nokia will void warranties if such swapping is done the best advice is to read your tire manual carefully before rotating your tires and stick to the manufacturers recommendations q how many snow tires should i buy and if i buy 2 which end of the car should i put them on a in short 4 and both ends to explain many drivers in areas that dont get excessive snow or who dont drive agressively or at all in snow conditions get away with only two snows on the drive wheels but there are circumstances where this can be dangerous practice with a rear wheel drive car you can choose between being able to start the car going a function of the rear axle or stopping and turning the car a function of the front axle in a front wheel drive car you start stop and turn with the front end the primary risk of putting the snow tires on the front only is that if you have to put on the brakes while going downhill you run a serious risk of going downhill backwards radar detectors and speed limits q why arent there any comments on radar detectors and speed limits in this q a posting a because questions about detectors and speed limits crossposted between misc consumers and rec autos always start long tedious and pointless flame wars if you want to talk about either of these topics please subscribe to rec autos or alt flame and keep it there safety equipment q do airbags really work a preliminary statistics suggest the following airbags work much better than no belts good 3 point belts alone work much better than airbags alone and airbags 3 point belts work slightly better than 3 point belts alone the con to airbags is that some designs tend to burn the drivers hands when venting the byproducts of the explosion that occurs inside the bag and that some designs but not all may knock the drivers hands from the wheel making retention of control of the vehicle after the bag deflates more difficult brake questions q do i always need to get the rotors on my disk brakes turned midas always wants to do this a no there are specific conditions that mandate turning or replacing rotors some shops try and make a little extra money by replacing rotors more often than is strictly necessary if the rotors are not warped warped and only lightly grooved then there is no need to replace or to turn them note also that some rotors the rotors on many hondas are a good example are so narrow to begin with that it is not practical to turn them they must be replaced when they become too thin warped or badly grooved q they tell me i should downshift when braking to slow my car down is this really a good idea a it used to be a very good idea back in the days of mediocre fade prone drum brakes in modern disc brake equipped cars use of downshifting to slow the car is not really necessary except in cases of long steep downhill runs otherwise modern disc brakes are more than adequate to stop a passenger car in all circumstances and they are much cheaper to repair than clutch linings on the other hand many standard drivers license tests in the usa still specify that the driver being tested downshift under braking i suggest that before taking a us drivers test you either 1 learn to do this smoothly which takes some time and practice or 2 borrow a car with an automatic to take the test q how often should i replace my brake fluid a probably more often than you do traditional brake fluids tend to absorb water this water can corrode internal parts of the brake system and also lower the boiling point of the fluid dot 3 type are older fluids dot 4 and dot 5 are newer specifications the principal differences are in wet and dry boiling points the dry boiling point is important in fresh brake fluid but the wet boiling point is important in older brake fluid dot 3 fluids have the lowest wet and dry boiling point requirements dot 4 fluids have better boiling point requirements and dot 5 fluids have the best boiling point requirements but dot 5 fluids are not clearly superior see the next q a for more details while the requirements imply that dot 4 fluids are better than dot 3 fluids there may be specific cases where a dot 3 fluid is preferable but these are mostly competition applications otherwise dot 4 type fluids offer much improved brake pedal feel replacement once a year is recommended for dot 4 fluids although agressive drivers may profit by changing out fluid more frequently or at least bleeding a modest amount of fluid out of the brake calipers fairly regularly q what about dot 5 brake fluids a this breaks down in to two parts the dot 5 specification looks excellent for performance but the first dot 5 fluids were silicone based silicone fluids are a tricky proposition unlike dot 3 and dot 4 fluids they do not absorb water at all while this may sound like a feature the problem is that any water present pools up in such systems interfering with braking performance and corroding any metals at the spot where the pooling is occuring the water will tend to migrate downwards in the braking system to the brake calipers where most of the corrosion occurs because of this phenomenon it is essential when converting to silicone to empty the entire brake system and flush it throughly beforehand some even recommend replacing all rubber parts in the brake system when converting to silicone fluids two other issues that come up with silicone fluids 1 they are difficult to pour cleanly that is without air bubbles which interferes with getting a good brake pedal feel and 2 while they generally have much higher boiling points than dot 4 fluids they do have high temperature failure modes which are indistinguishable in effect from boiling dot 4 fluids silicone fluids may make sense in some street car applications but they are certainly not recommended for high performance driving applications and the economics are questionable for street use i have recently become aware of new fluids that meet the dot 5 standard that do not contain silicones these fluids appear to be reasonably compatible with the older dot 3 and dot 4 fluids but i have little information at this time q abs is available on some of the cars im looking at but it costs more is it worth it a this does not have a cut and dried answer therefore this answer will be quite long in order to cover the pros and cons the short answer is that abs costs more both initially and to maintain will generally work better for the average driver that is to say a driver who does not have extensive experience in high performance driving techniques and may require the unlearning of some obsolete braking techniques like pump braking which should be unlearned in any case now for the long answer abs works by monitering the wheels of the car looking for signs of locked brakes it may or may not be able be able to distinguish between the different wheels there are several systems on the market it cannot detect impending lockup which is what you would really want in an ideal world but only the existence of lockup the sensors used vary some of the less well designed sensors are sensitive to tire size and to brake pad material and may cease to function properly if the owner deviates from original equipment or oe equivalent components when the sensors detect lockup the abs system responds by unlocking the brakes either individually or all at once depending on the system if the driver keeps their foot firmly planted the abs will end up cycling between the locked and unlocked states if a sensor existed that could detect impending lockup then we could sit right at that point which is where maximum braking effect is achieved this pulsing can often be felt in the brake pedal as the system cycles the percentage of the time that the brakes are truly engaged is called the duty cycle typically in an abs system this is about 40 on dry pavement a trained driver can beat this duty cycle quite reliably using a technique called threshold braking on wet pavement braking is so chancy that abs will outperform threshold braking nearly every time unfortunately on mud and on snow often maximum braking effect can be acheived with the brakes locked only audi of the manufacturers producing abs equipped cars has seen fit to provide a disable switch for the abs system for this eventuality a particularly important feature of abs is that it preserves steering control this is the case simply because if you are braking near the limit and turn the wheel the abs will release the brakes if it sees steering triggered lockup and back off on the percentage of the time that the brakes are applied braking distances will lengthen accordingly an important caution abs cannot exceed the maximum theoretical braking force in any given situation if you start sliding on glare ice dont expect an abs system to help you out very much the coefficient of friction is not changed by the presence of an abs system in your car as far as maintenence goes in addition to the potential restrictions ive listed above you have to worry about the following 1 parts costs are much higher the oe master cylinder for my obscure european sedan lists for 185 but the oe master cylinder for the abs equipped version of the same car lists for over 1000 most manufacturers explicitly forbid use of dot 5 silicone brake fluids in abs equipped vehicles because of the potential cost of replacement of corroded brake system components regular i suggest annual replacement of brake fluid becomes very important q what about this threshold braking business a normally id not put this in the consumers q a but recent publicity about a number of accidents involving police drivers in abs equipped chevy caprices suggests that this section is needed here rpw threshold braking is a technique practiced by all serious high performance drivers if made a habit it replaces the stab the pedal and lock em up panic habit entirely and is much to be prefered basically the premise is that tires generate maximum braking force when they have just started to slide but just before the wheels lock up entirely drivers who threshold brake learn to feel what this threshold feels like and learn to search for it and hit it on the application of the brake pedal in many cars you can feel that you are near the threshold when the pedal starts to firm up as you depress it in any case if you cant hear the tires whine just a bit youre not very near the threshold in a car with abs often there is a twinge in the pedal just before the system starts cycling if the driver backs off on the pedal just a tad when the twinge is felt then they are very close to the threshold and theyll probably achieve better stopping distances than if they just punched it and let the abs take over recently there has been a rash of publicity over a number of accidents and one death involving police cars equipped with abs systems the police departments in question quickly blamed the new abs systems but according to autoweek magazine it now seems clear that the problem was a lack of training none of the involved officers had any recent performance driving training there is reason to believe that the drivers reacted to the pulsing brake pedal by pump braking an old and discredited technique of stabbing and releasing the brake pedal the goal being to try and get brakes back with a failing hydraulic system if you think about it for a minute youll realize that pump braking must cut the effective operation of a working brake system by at least 1 2 so if you cut the 40 duty cycle of an abs system by that much you are giving up most of your brakes for the wrong reason threshold braking has the advantage in that it is an effective and useful technique regardless of whether your car has abs if you do fear a failed hydraulic system then one or two stabs at the pedal will be sufficient gas questions q does high octane gasoline help a maybe maybe not some cars have knock sensors and can adjust the engine timing or turbocharger boost to suit the gasoline being used on most cars however you should use the cheapest gas that makes your car run well check your owners manual for details on what your car needs q my car was made for leaded gasoline will unleaded gas hurt it a it is possible that unleaded gas may slightly increase valve wear although the amoco oil company argues otherwise the actual increase in valve wear will be almost unnoticeable however as modern leaded gasolines actually contain very little lead you should however check your owners manual many cars from the early 1970s do not actually require leaded gasoline q do fuel treatments help what kind should i use a some do and some dont during the winter it is a good idea to use dry gas however some may be harmful to fuel injection systems never use an additive containing methanol sometimes called methyl alcohol such additives may damage fuel systems in cars with carbs and almost certainly will damage cars with fuel injection manufacturers opinions vary on additives containing ethanol sometimes called ethyl alcohol if your car has fuel injection check the owners manual on your car before using these most manufacturers consider 10 ethanol acceptable in gasoline additives with isopropyl alcohol isopropanol and petroleum distillates are fine in fuel injected cars an occasional bottle of fuel injector cleaner is helpful in cars with fuel injectors although many premium gasolines contain detergents that do the same job some off brands of fuel injector cleaners contain ethanol or methanol always check the ingredients before putting anything in your gas tank there are a small number of particularly good additives these are noticeably more expensive that the run of the mill ones but work much much better among these are chevron techron redline sl 1 wurth lubrimoly ventil sauber and bg 44k a bottle of one of these once every six months is highly recommended q what about detergent gasolines a the quality of detergent packages in gasolines varies somewhat bmw has instituted a testing program and gasoline brands which pass this test may advertise that fact stickers indicating passage of the test are now beginning to appear on fuel pumps at gas stations if such gasolines are used then fuel injector cleaners are probably optional beforewarned that while use of bmw approved gasolines will keep a clean engine clean they may not clean a motor with bad valve deposits lubrication questions q what do the numbers and letters in a motor oil designation mean a there are several different items encoded there is a two letter code indicating the type of detergent package that the manufacturer uses in the oil this looks like se sf cd or such the s codes are for gasoline engine applications the c codes are for diesel engine applications the second letter is assigned in sequence as new levels of protection are developed thus sf is considered better than se se is considered better than sd and so forth the more noticeable designation is the oil weight this is either a single number e g 30 weight or a pair of numbers separated by the letter w e g 10w30 the latter type is much more commonly used these days and are the only type that most automobile manufacturers specify in operators manuals the first number in the designation 10w is the apparent viscosity of the oil when it is cold the w stands for winter the second number 30 is the viscosity of the oil when hot there is a trick here the oil doesnt actually get thicker turn from 10 weight to 30 weight as it gets hotter what is actually happening is that when the oil is cold it has the viscosity of a cold 10 weight oil as it gets hotter it doesnt get thin as fast as a 10w oil would by the time it is up to temperature it has the viscosity of a hot 30 weight oil note that these numbers actually specify ranges of viscosities not all 10w oils have exactly the same viscosity when cold and not all 30 weight oils have the same viscosity when hot note also that the novel behaviour of multi grade oils is caused by additives and it has been reported that with the sole exception of castrol gtx 10w40 oils do not retain their multi grade characteristics well over time 10w30 15w40 and 20w50 oils work very well though q are quick lube places any good a some do adequate work but there are quite a few incompetent ones out there let the buyer beware watch them while they work make sure that they dont overtorque the oil drain plug and keep your hand on your wallet at all times q are oil additives like slick 50 or tufoil any good a slick 50 and tufoil are ptfe based additives many of these have come onto the market recently they are different from the moly based additives that have been around since the early 50s ptfe is the chemical name for teflon tm a trademark owned by dupont in general auto manufacturers do not recommend use of these products most usenet responses to questions on these additives are favorable slight increase of mpg after application smoother revving but long term results whether ptfe additives are effective after 5k miles are debatable some manufacturers such as saab claim that either the product or the engine flush that preceeds application causes deterioration of the oil seals and eventual leakage some bmw owners have reported death of valve seals shortly after the addition of slick 50 to their cars this writer has been cautioned by a slick 50 dealer that slick 50 should not be used in japanese motors as it may clog the oil return passages in the engine otherwise there are no known reports of damage caused by ptfe additives on the other hand there are satified slick 50 customers in the world q do synthetic oils really work a yes but more specifically most auto manufactuers accept synthetics but disagree with the extremely long oil change intervals claimed by oil manufacturers auto manufacturers recommend that you continue to change oil at the intervals recommended in the owners manual for your car even if you decide to try the longer intervals at least change the oil filter at regular intervals as synthetics get just as dirty as conventional oils synthetic gear lubricants for manual transmissions are another matter entirely amsoil redline and agip are very highly regarded and very effective mobil 1 synthetic gear lube gets mixed reviews however q manufacturers are specifying longer and longer oil change intervals how often should i change my oil a it depends on how you drive if your car always or nearly always gets warmed up and you dont drive it very hard and keep the revs down the manufacturers recommendation is probably fine if however you drive it hard drive it at high revs or alternatively if you only drive it to and from the supermarket so that it doesnt get up to temperature then you may wish to change oil much more often perhaps at 3000 mile intervals given that most manufacturers are now specifying 7500 mile intervals if you dont drive your car much at all say 7500 miles a year then you probably want to change oil every six months anyway if you are storing a car during the winter then change oil before storing it and change oil when you bring it out of storage misc questions q my car has a timing belt i hear that bad things happen when they break whats the story a it depends on the internal design of the motor early ford escorts for example will suffer severe valve damage if the belt breaks but the newer cars will just require a tow and installation of a new belt some honda motors will not be damaged but others will be if no replacement interval is specified for your car then change the belt at least every 60 000 miles some cars may require more frequent replacement ask your dealer or independent mechanic also ask if there are any related repairs that should take place at the same time for example the same ford escorts that suffer valve damage also have a timing belt driven water pump which has been known to seize destroying the timing belt and which then causes major valve damage as a side effect replacing the timing belt while ignoring the water pump can be a costly mistake q why would anyone be stupid enough to design a motor so that it self destructs when the timing belt breaks a for performance reasons compromising piston design so that the valves and pistons will not collide requires that the compression ratio of the engine be reduced significantly this is why you are more likely to avoid valve damage in economy cars than in performance oriented vehicles q what causes unintended acceleration a the final report of the national highway transportation and safety administration concluded that unintended acceleration could not be caused by any mechanical failure of the vehicle in question and at the same time be consistent with the physical evidence the nhtsa report goes on to conclude that pedal misapplication by the vehicle operator is probably the cause richard welty 518 393 7228 welty cabot balltown cma com nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis carroll smith cars re opel owners in article c5tb2f 585 usenet ucs indiana edu mliggett silver ucs indiana edu matthew liggett writes mantas are also ve hot and fun cars too hahahahahahahahahahaha thanks for that i havent laughed so much in ages kevinh hasler ascom ch baseball yanks over as george speaks how about matt nokes 2 run single against ron darling was that a hit or what while watching the game yesterday they flashed up something regarding the boss talking about mark connor as bullpen coach he said something like its mark connors fault that the bullpen is so horrible here we go again george sticking his non baseball nose in the baseball business shut up george just spend the money get the players and leave buck and the coaches and players alone medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr15 135941 16105 lmpsbbs comm mot com dougb comm mot com doug bank writes from dougb comm mot com doug bank subject re is msg sensitivity superstition date thu 15 apr 1993 13 59 41 gmt in article 1993apr14 122647 16364 tms390 micro ti com david tms390 micro ti com david thomas writes lots of editing out of previuos posts here is another anecdotal story i am a picky eater and never wanted to try chinese food however i finally tried some in order to please a girl i was seeing at the time i had never heard of chinese restaurant syndrome a group of us went to the restaurant and all shared 6 different dishes it didnt taste great but i decided it wasnt so bad we went home and went to bed early i woke up at 2 am and puked my guts outs i threw up for so long that im not kidding i pulled a muscle in my tongue dry heaves and everything no one else got sick and im not allergic to anything that i know of suffice to say that i wont go into a chinese restaurant unless i am physically threatened the smell of the food makes me ill and that is a psycholgical reaction when i have been dragged in to suffer through beef and broccoli without any sauces i insist on no msg i havent gotten sick yet funny about that my wife my girlfriend at the time used to get sick after eating certain foods at various asian restaurants and never knew why shed go pale and sweaty and then vomit copiously a couple of us ventured a connection with msg and her response was msg whats that it also happened when she pigged out on some brands of savoury crackers and chips which i noticed later had msg on the label dont know about double blinds but avoiding msg has stopped her being sick at restaurants cheers john john nash email nash biologysx lan nrc ca institute for biological sciences national research council of canada cell physiology group ottawa ontario canada disclaimer all opinions are mine not nrcs cars re warning please read and in san francisco recently some of our finest examples of humanity poured oil over a road so that vehicles going uphill would suddnely become immobile and then they would walk right up to the vehicles and make their demands known mark barnes system engineer insert standard disclaimers here sunsoft corporate technical escalations i speak for myself an individual menlo park ca usa not for the company for which i work barnesm vavau corp sun com baseball re florida sucks in article 1993apr13 232537 20672 cabell vcu edu csc2imd cabell vcu edu ian m derby writes this talk about the phillies winning the nl east is scary very scary dont get me wrong im a phillies fan but as late as last year they looked helpless the funny thing was they did have a lot of injuries in 92 spring training that basically killed their chances of course dont forget the dykstra wrist injury in the first or second game first game first at bat windows re challenge to microsoft supporters win os 2 is ibm work you make me laugh re writing couple of thousands lines of code to make windows compatible with your dpmi implementation does not make the rest of windows ibm work i dont think ms has anything to brag about when it comes to following dpmi but then consistency is the hobgoblin etc i suppose tom hatton hatton cgl ucsf edu 415 476 8693 windows anyone heard of deltree brandon wise bwise nyx cs du edu religion catholic right pat robertson the roman catholic conservatives are coming out in the open to line up with pat robertson and his ultra right wing christian coalition former secretary of education william bennet a roman catholic stood beside the christian coalitions spokesman ralph reed at a march 3 conference in washington the purpose of the conference was to publish results of a christian coalition poll which was designed to prove that the republican party would lose major support if it backed away from the family values positons of the 92 convention conservative catholics have swung behind robertsons organization with political expertise legal assistance and high tech communications support the catholic campaign for american designed as a catholic version of the moral majority was founded by marlene elwell and tom wykes ms elwell has been with robertson since the days of his freedom council in 1985 and worked for him in his presidential bid in 1988 ms elwell was hired by dominos pizza magnate tom monaghan in 1989 to manage legatus a nonpolitical catholic businessmens group membership is limited to catholics who head corporations with a least 4 million in annual revenues relying on a network of wealthy contacts at legatus elwell and wykes had little trouble forming and funding the catholic campaign the campaigns list of national committee members includes u s rep robert k dornan phyllis schlafly of the eagle forum the lovely pat buchanan and rev richard j neuhaus also on the national committee is keith fournier a catholic who heads pat robertsons american center for law and justice another catholic thomas patrick monaghan senior counsel of robertsons aclj is also an active supporter of the catholic campaign the board of directors includes frank shakespeare broadcasting exec and former u s ambassador to the pope wall street executive frank lynch former reagan official richard v allen bishop rene gracida of corpus christi and mary ellen bork wife of unsuccessful supreme court nominee robert bork in the winter 1992 issue of campaign update the organizations quarterly newsletter rocco l martino a philadelphia business executive wrote separation of church and state is a false premise that must finally be cast aside and replaced by the true meaning of our constitution oh yes the organizations national ecclesisatical advisor is catholic politician cardinal john j oconnor of new york jack carroll guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 93105 165359u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes in article 1993apr15 184452 27322 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman says hell a glock is the last thing that should be switched to the only thing that i know about a glock is the lack of a real safety on it sure there is that little thing in the trigger but that isnt too great of a safety now we know that kratz doesnt understand what a safety is supposed to do he also confuses things he can see with things that exist glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the outside excuse me but i do know what i safety is supposed to do kratz comments above show otherwise its basic purpose not to let the gun fire until youre ready bingo now the question is does the glocks qualify lets see the evidence that kratz uses christ ive known that since i had my first crosman air gun you dont know me so dont make assumptions about what i know and dont know but first an aside having an air gun proves nothing moreover my comments are based on what kratz writes hes free to argue that he babbles in text but actually knows something off line a safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off unless thats what the user wants with glocks one says i want the gun to go off by pulling the trigger if the safeties it has make that work it has a real safety no matter what kratz thinks from the things i have read heard glocks are always knocked because of the trigger safety they are supposedly harder to learn to use properly harder than what i note that almost all revolvers work the same way so it cant be harder than revolvers every article that i have read cant be wrong about the damn thing sure they can moreover we know now that kratz sample is unrepresentative we can look at the reasoning it is basically these glocks are dangerous because theyre not like my 1911 s w third generation part of that is true but since those same people dont claim that revolvers which share the relevant property are dangerous we see that the argument fails me to quote my sources because i dont keep a ton of gun magazines and or why would i care im not looking for more bogus reasoning rec guns articles laying around boy you cant make a simple statement on here without someone getting right on your ass one can make hundreds of simple statements without having anyone getting right on your ass one merely has to make accurate simple statements then you get attaboy s by mail and publically accuracy is a severe burden but most of us manage it andy guns re boston gun buy back re more on gun buybacks the denver buy back trading guns for denver nuggets tickets was pretty much a bust very few guns were turned in the news tried to hype it but when the best they could do was including a loaded 38 well you get the picture a side note the news also reported that the guns would be checked for whether or not they were stolen stolen guns will be returned to their owners they say does this have anything to do with the rally on the capital steps yesterday in support of the rkba even the rally made the 5 pm news on 3 channels ron miller medicine re science and methodology in article 1993apr11 015518 21198 sbcs sunysb edu mhollowa ic sunysb edu michael holloway writes in article c552jv ggb news hawaii edu lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee lady writes i would also like to point out that most of the arguments about science in sci med sci psychology etc are not about cases where people are rejecting scientific argument evidence proof they are about cases where no adequate scientific research has been done in some cases there is quite a bit of evidence but it isnt in a format to fit doctrinaire conceptions of what science is here it is again this indicates confusion between proof and the process of doing science you are making precisely one of the points i wanted to make i fully agree with you that there is a big distinction between the process of science and the end result as an end result of science one wants to get results that are objectively verifiable but there is nothing objective about the process of science if good empirical research were done and showed that there is some merit to homeopathic remedies this would certainly be valuable information but it would still not mean that homeopathy qualifies as a science this is where you and i disagree with turpin in order to have science one must have a theoretical structure that makes sense not a mere collection of empirically validated random hypotheses experiment and empirical studies are an important part of science but they are merely the culmination of scientific research the most important part of true scientific methodology is scientific thinking without this one does not have any hypotheses worth testing no hypotheses do not just leap out at you after you look at enough data nor do they simply come to you in a flash one day while youre shaving or looking out the window at least not unless youve done a lot of really good thinking beforehand the difference between a nobel prize level scientist and a mediocre scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology it depends on the quality of their thinking it really bothers me that so many graduate students seem to believe that they are doing science merely because they are conducting empirical studies and it bothers me even more that there are many fields such as certain parts of psychology where there seems to be no thinking at all but mere studies testing ad hoc hypotheses and im especially offended by russell turpins repeated assertion that science amounts to nothing more than avoiding mistakes simply avoiding mistakes doesnt get you anywhere in the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lady uhunix bitnet baseball re joe robbie stadium not for baseball in article 1993apr6 025027 4846 oswego oswego edu iacs3650 oswego edu kevin mundstock writes did anyone notice the words not for baseball printed on the picture of joe robbie stadium in the opening day season preview section in usa today any reason given for this yes and the answer is simple to create a better feeling in the park the seats will be folded back for baseball games where you saw those words medicine re med school admission then there are always osteopathy colleges windows character codes problems help i am working on a project that involves using text with foreign language characters in this case norwegian i have been manipulating the data with excell 4 0 and then exporting the data as comma seperated variable files to an rs6000 workstation the norwegian characters show up fine under windows but appear as funny characters on the workstation the workstation is setup for national language support and we have problem entering the norwegian characters from the workstation keyboard on further investigation i found that the character codes used by windows are different for these characters than those specified by the msdos code page the msdos codes seem to be the same as the workstation what gives and how can get around it please reply by e mail as i will be out of the office the next few days and will not be reading the news thanks medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article lsu7q7innia5 saltillo cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes i agree with everything that lee lady wrote in her previous post in this thread gee maybe ive misjudged you russell anyone who agrees with something i say cant be all bad seriously im not sure whether i misjudged you or not in one respect i still have a major problem though with your insistence that science is mainly about avoiding mistakes and i still disagree with your contention that nobody who doesnt use methods deemed scientific can possibly know whats true and whats not deleted material which i agree with back to lee lady these are not the rules according to many who post to sci med and sci psychology according to these posters if its not supported by carefully designed controlled studies then its not science these posters are making the mistake that i have previously criticized of adhering to a methodological recipe a carefully rules such as support the hypothesis by a carefully designed and controlled study are too narrow to apply to all investigation i think that the requirements for particular reasoning to be convincing depends greatly on the kinds of mistakes that have occurred in past reasoning about the same kinds of things to reuse the previous example we know that conclusions from uncontrolled observations of the treatment of chronic medical problems are notoriously problematic okay so lets see if we agree on this first of all there are degrees of certainty it might be appropriate for instance to demand carefully controlled trials before we accept as absolute scientific truth to the extent that there is any such thing the effectiveness of a certain treatment on the other hand highly favorable clinical experience even if uncontrolled can be adequate to justify a preliminary judgement that a treatment is useful this is often the best evidence we can hope for from investigators who do not have institutional or corporate support in this case it makes sense to tentatively treat claims as credible but to reserve final judgement until establishment scientists who are qualified and have the necessary resources can do more careful testing secondly it makes sense to be more tolerant in our standards of evidence for a pronounced effect than for one that is marginal i come to this dispute about what science is not only as a mathematician but as a veteran of many arguments in sci psychology and occasionally in sci med about nlp neurolinguistic programming much of the work done to date by nlpers can be better categorized as informal exploration than as careful scientific research for years now i have been trying to get scientific and clinical psychologists to just take a look at it to read a few of the books and watch some of the videotapes courtesy of your local university library not for the purpose of making a definitive judgement but simply to look at the nlp methodology especially the approach to eliciting information from subjects and look for ideas and hypotheses which might be of scientific interest and most especially to be aware of the questions nlp suggests which might be worthy of scientific investigation over and over again the response i get in sci pychology is if this hasnt been thoroughly validated by the accepted form of empirical research then it cant be of any interest to us to me the ultimate reducio ad absurdum of the extreme thereve got to be controlled studies position is an nlp technique called the fast phobia trauma cure simple phobias as opposed to agoraphobia may not be the worlds most important psychological disorder but the nice thing about them is that it doesnt take a sophisticated instrument to diagnose them or tell when someone is cured of one the nlp phobia cure is a simple visualization which requires less than 15 minutes nlpers claim that it can also be used to neutralize a traumatic memory and hence is useful in treating post traumatic stress syndrome it is essentially a variation on the classic desensitization process used by behavioral therapists a subject only needs to be taken through the technique once or in the case of ptsd once for each traumatic incident the process doesnt need to be repeated and the subject doesnt need to practice it over again at home now to me it seems pretty easy to test the effectiveness of this cure especially if as nlpers claim the success rate is extremely high take someone with a fear of heights as i used to have take them up to a balcony on the 20th floor and observe their response spend 15 minutes to have them do the simple visualization send them back up to the balcony and see if things have changed check back with them in a few weeks to see if the cure seems to be lasting more long term follow up is certainly desirable but from a scientific point of view even a cure that lasts several weeks has significance in any case there are many known cases where the cure has lasted years to the best of my knowledge there is no known case where the cure has been reversed after holding for a few weeks my own cure incidentally was done with a slightly different nlp technique before i learned of the fast phobia trauma cure ten years later now i enjoy living on the 17th floor of my building and having a large balcony the folks over in sci psychology have a hundred and one excuses not to make this simple test they claim that only an elaborate outcome study will be satisfactory a study of the sort that nlp practitioners many of whom make a barely marginal living from their practice can ill afford to do most of them are also just plain not interested because the whole idea seems frivolous and since theyre not part of the scientific establishment they have no tangible rewards to gain from scientific acceptance the fast phobia trauma cure is over ten years old now and the clinical psychology establishment is still saying we dont have any way of knowing that its effective these academics themselves have the resources to do a study as elaborate as anyone could want of course but they say why should i prove your theory and the burden of proof is on the one making the claim one academic in sci psychology said that it would be completely unscientific for him to test the phobia cure since it hasnt been described in a scientific journal its described in a number of books and ive posted articles in sci psychology describing it in as much detail as im capable of actually at least one fairly careful academic study has been done with favorable results but its apparently not acceptable because its a doctoral dissertation and not published in a refereed journal to me this sort of attitude does not advance science but hinders it this is the kind of thing i have in mind when i talk about doctrinnaire attitudes about science now maybe i have been unfair in imputing such attitudes to you russell if so i apologize in the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lady uhunix bitnet medicine re a good place for back surgery gary schuetter garyws cbnewsg cb att com wrote hello just one quick question my father has had a back problem for a long time and doctors have diagnosed an operation is needed since he lives down in mexico he wants to know if there is a hospital anywhere in the united states particulary famous for this kind of surgery kind of like houston has a reputation for excellent doctors in eye surgery any additional info or pointers will be appreciated a whole lot there is one hospital that is here in new york city that is famous for its orthopedists namely the hospital for special surgery they are located on the upper east side of manhattan if you want their address and phone let me know ill get them i dont know them off hand felix the cat 0 0 the wonderful wonderful cat meow hoss panix com medicine re could this be a migraine gb from geb cs pitt edu gordon banks gb the hmo would stop the over ordering but in hmos tests are gb under ordered thats a somewhat overbroad statement im sure there are hmos in which the fees for lab tests are subtracted from the doctors income in most however including the one i work for there is no direct incentive to under order profits of the group are shared among all partners but the group is so large that an individuals generated costs have a miniscule effect i dont believe that we under order then again im not really sure what the right amount of ordering is or should be relative to the average british neurologist i suspect that i rather drastically over order slmr 2 1 e mail jim zisfein factory com jim zisfein windows re wp pcf linux risc dear friend the risc means reduced instruction set computer the risc usually has small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase the clock rate to have a high performance you can read some books about computer architecture for more information about risc ghhwang csie nctu edu tw form r o c taiwan religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes be warned it is not my job to convert you that is the job of the holy spirit and i frankly make a lousy one i am only here to testify your conversion is between you and god i am out of the loop if you decide to follow jesus of which i indeed would be estatic then all the glory be to god ive asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me i really wish i could believe in him cos no matter how much confidence i build up on my own the universe is a big place and it would be so nice to know i have someone watching over me in it ive gone into this with an open mind ive layed my beliefs aside from time to time when ive had doubt and ive prayed to see what good that would do i dont see what more i can do to open myself to your god short of just deciding to believe for no good reason and if i decide to believe for no good reason why not believe in some other god zeus seems like a pretty cool candidate all i know is that in all my searching even though ive set aside my pride and decided that i want to know the truth no matter how difficult it may be to accept i have never had any encounter with any deity christian or otherwise please tell me what more i can do while still remaining true to myself brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau cars buying a used car i have a few questions about the tax on a used car purchase i live in new york state and i am going to buy a used car i know that i will have to pay tax when i go to register the car but i would like to know of tax is payed on the book value of the car or on the purchase price also what tax rate is used the owner lives in albany 8 tax and i will be living in saratoga with 7 tax do i pay albany tax or saratoga tax the difference is a whole 50 one more thing how much does it cost for the usual 2 year registration did i leave anything out what else might i have to know to purchase and register a used car ive never done this before thank you peter volpe guns re guns in backcountry no thanks in article 121415 netnews upenn edu egedi ahwenasa cis upenn edu dania m egedi writes in article 1993apr16 222604 18331 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman writes in article 1993apr16 174436 22897 midway uchicago edu pkgeragh gsbphd uchicago edu kevin geraghty writes wrong about the whole guns for protection mindset it ignores the why if youre not a threat youre not affected at all aha thats the part that makes me nervous too who gets to decide if i am a threat based on appearance would someone feel more threatened actions determine whether someone presents a threat and i dont carry a gun so much for people cause i tend to fade if there are any about but due to several encounters with formerly domestic dogs these critters aint scared of folks and can get aggressive on staying at and saw someone sitting there cleaning his gun softly i backed away and hiked another 5 miles to get out of there ill freely admit it here im not afraid of guns im afraid of people that bring them into the backcountry id count that as a fear of guns somebody having the sense to keep their weapons maintained isnt as likely to present a threat the army taught me to clean any weapons daily since they usually need it regardless of whether theyve been used youd be amazed how sweaty a holster can get or how much trail dust will get in it and i guess youd be scared of me and my former explorer post seems the advisors were national guard special forces grunts and considered it heresy to be out in the woods without a weapon course usually you wouldnt notice em they tended to avoid public scrutiny of course that may be the way to solve the solitude problem just carry a gun and display it prominently and one probably wont see most of the other hikers out there who will be hiding in the woods 1 2 dania my 9mm goes in a hip holster mixed in with magazine pouches hold lotsa stuff in them canteens knives compasses and such not so easy to notice in the off chance i decide to be visible i prefer not to be since walking quietly away from active areas increases the number of non human type critters i see james james s cochrane when in danger or in doubt run in this space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles scream and shout for rent religion re spreading christianity re christian extremist kills doctor i addressed most of the key issues in this very long 284 lines post by dean kaflowitz in two posts yesterday the first was made into the title post of a new thread is dean kaflowitz terminally irony impaired and the second more serious one appeared along the thread a chaney post and a challenge reissued and revised both only in talk abortion but i am posting its contents into talk religion misc as soon as i exit here this should be enough for us to thrash out for the next week or so the second post really grapples with the main bones of contention between us the first is more lighthearted and tells about such things as kaflowitzdebatingpoints tm which he continues to rack up on both talk abortion and talk religion misc while setting follow ups to talk abortion alone his lame excuse for the latter policy is that he gets a prompt as to where to set follow ups and does not follow talk religion misc much this suggests that he is being hypocritical in not also setting his newsgroups line to talk abortion alone peter nyikos guns re guns in backcountry no thanks in article c5lrpq 50o idacom hp com guy idacom hp com guy m trotter writes hi in canada any gun that enters a national park must be sealed i think its a small metal tag thats placed over the trigger the net result of this is that you cant use a gun to protect yourself from bears or psychos in the national parks instead one has to be sensitive to the dangers and annoyances of hiking in bear country and take the appropriate precautions i think this policy makes the users of the national parks feel a little closer to nature that they are a part of nature and as such have to deal with nature on its own terms guy hello i understand this philosophy the bears are a national treasure the area is their sanctuary and people who enter it do so at their own risk it is better that that rare human be killed by a bear than that bears be provoked or shot by unbear savvy visitors the bears arent having a population explosion humans are so it is better that a human be killed than endanger the bears i dont agree with this philosopy but i understand it the psychos are a bit different they are not a national treasure but i suppose the decision has been made that to allow provision for defense against them would also allow provision for defense against bears again i suppose it has been decided that it is better for the rare human to be killed by a psycho than to take a chance on threatening the bears personally i wouldnt go into an area where i would be managed so as to reduce my safety but come to think of it i guess i live in a managed wilderness myself joan v religion re 666 the number of the beast viewer discr in article 1pr3d3 doh cat cis brown edu st002649 brownvm brown edu alex gottschalk writes well i will do the math and i get 6 6 6 2 189 739 336 this mean anything to anyone 5 1 5 thus fitting in neatly with something else of course 2 1 8 9 7 3 9 3 3 6 51 which quite obviously is 23 23 5 r baseball re mlb nba in article 1993apr17 052025 10610 news yale edu sean garrison says i think that players salaries are getting way out of hand to the point that theyre on a pace to become severely detrimental to baseballs future so you want to decrease players salaries so you want to increase owners salaries the two are equivalent bob vesterman religion hating the sin but not the sinner what are the consequences of the homophobic ranting of the self righteous well i just noted this on another group and thought id pass it along the context is talk origins and a report of yet another debate that was nothing but an attempt at mindless bullying and factless assertion by a standard issue creationist the writer reflects that the behavior reported reminds him of some christian groups he has known i believe that the writer is a non homosexual christian there is a very effective technique used to promote unit cohesion among the soldiers of the lord it is called witnessing ive seen this process used well and poorly the near devil worship i mention was a group that was using the witnessing to get people lathered up to go kill homosexuals or at least terrorize them off campus as it was clearly gods will that they do so i have deleted the specifics of the location as i do not believe it characteristic of the place a state in which i spent my formative first 10 years though it does have unfortunately a subpopulation that this remark fits to a tee michael l siemon i say you are gods sons of the mls panix com most high all of you nevertheless or you shall die like men and fall mls ulysses att com like any prince psalm 82 6 7 guns re the pill for deer no hunting jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes promising field experiments are being done this year in several areas of the country relating to chemical contraceptive baits for deer preliminary data suggests that this will be a cost effective and humane method for preventing over population of habitats preliminary data regarding similar research into kangaroo overpopulation in australia do not in any way support the cost effectiveness of this approach it may be cost effective for deer if you quietly overlook the fact that the net cost to the state of deer hunting is negative i e a profit because the majority of hunters pay for licences the cost comparisons are probably being done assuming that people have to be employed to cull the animals which is not in fact the case you figure people are going to pay for licences to implant contraceptive pellets or spread baits there has been a fair bit of discussion about this here recently because the kangaroo population in the grounds of the governor generals residence has now reached plague proportions despite the whines of the rampant animal libbers the most effective method of controlling the population is still considered to be controlled shooting so now why should we allow hunting to prevent over population of the deer bear whatever sorry but that justification of blood lust is now gone with the wind once mass production of this stuff begins animal populations can be easily managed without a shot being fired this leaves only the fact that some people like to go out in the woods and kill things some people take satisfaction imho legitimate satisfaction in eating food that they have harvested themselves the pleasure derived from hunting is the same as that you get from eating fruit and vegetables grown in your own garden and in general game meat is probably much freer of unpleasant chemicals than what you buy from the butcher or the supermarket that may be a motivation but it cannot now be justified expect peta and like organizations to use this argument to get hunting banned period by cannot now be justified i guess you mean that you personally dont see any justification fine but what makes your opinion so important with no legitimate hunting with the papers filled with stories of senseless murders i guess there wont be a chance in hell of building a case for the rkba that will withstand either public opinion necessity or scientific scrutiny dont give me that silent majority wants guns crap they are and will be silent no votes for rkba no rkba certainly the last point is correct if politicians dont see any votes for themselves in opposing stupid legislation or in developing and supporting measures which might be effective in reducing the incidence of violent crime they wont do these things geoff miller g miller adfa edu au computer centre australian defence force academy medicine re x rays in article 1993mar30 195242 8070 leland stanford edu iceskate leland stanford edu lin writes first question how bad is x ray ive heard that its nothing compared to the amount of time spent under the sun and ive also heard that it is very harmful second question is there anyway out of this yearly test for me the yearly chest x ray provides a minute amount of radiation it is a drop in the bucket as far as increased risk is concerned who can tell you whether you can get out of it or not no one here controls that it may well be a matter of the law in which case write your legislator but dont hold your breath gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon baseball re and americas team is but why in 1qsk9d dck usenet ins cwru edu jdl6 po cwru edu justin d lowe writes in a previous article steinman me utoronto ca david steinman says cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes the defenition of the underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend the 69 mets and 89 orioles are prime examples not the cubs sorry but it is virtually impossible to win a division with no talent over 162 games i would amend your definition to underdog a team expected to lose but which wins thanks to underestimated talent dave ok the mets and os are good examples but what about the 90 reds do you really think that anyone expected them to sweep the as i know people who didnt even think theyd win a game let alone win the series these people were very silly any team that gets to the world series can win the world series and anybody who ever expects a sweep is crazy if you put the best team in baseball in the series against the worst team in baseball the worst team would win at least a game most of the time and very well could win the series though the odds would certainly be against them greg guns re riddle me this in article 1993apr21 040839 20574 ucsu colorado edu fcrary ucsu colorado edu frank crary writes in article 1993apr20 050550 4660 jupiter sun csd unb ca j979 jupiter sun csd unb ca fuller m writes that the gas was not harmful as the sensitive caring janet reno described it is it as far as i know tear gas especially in large concentrations is very dangerous even toxic for small children this makes the fbis supposedconcern for the safety of the children seem rather hypocritical not to mention that the g men believed the children didnt have gas masks but that was not with respect to the children the point of the gassing the feds knew that the childrens health would be in danger and proceeded under the assumption that the motherly instinct of the davidian women would remove them from harms way i busted a gut on that one someone else on the net observed that the administrations appeal to a womans motherly instinct would never wash with feminists and liberals if a republican were in the white house i say that such an justification could only come from a feminist mindset btw id read in the paper yesterday that the type of gas used was cs2 the paper didnt provide any specifics about it guess im still writing malcolm fuller surveying engineering university of new brunswick malcolm atlantic cs unb ca or j979 jupiter csd unb ca malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem guns re blast them next time in article 1r19l9 7dv usenet ins cwru edu oldham ces cwru edu daniel oldham writes what happened in waco is not the fault of the batf if they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened the batf needs more people better weapons and more armored transports when they meet hostile fire they should be able to use more force instead of retreating to a stand off if you are going to do a job then do it right the batf is there to protect us and they must have the proper equipment and people to do the job with the wod and the increased crime in the streets the batf is needed more now then ever if they blast away a few good fokes then that is the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country look at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country of ours with the arms build up in waco they needed to hit that compound with mega fire power they could of gone in there blasting and killed a few women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn to death 51 days later did you forget to put in a sarcasm flag al standard disclaimer windows ms mouse newer as 8 6 hello i need a microsoft mouse driver but newer as 8 6 for going in dos window under ms windows but it is must be freeware i have version 7 00 tx mike cars review 1989 ford taurus sho gk i hear that tires for this car can get really expensive i gk currently have goodyear gt 4s that cost the previous owner 500 gk for four try eagle gas wear better cost less lose little handling and are quieter im going to switch to 225s in my next set with new rims fitti twists if i can afford em by the time my gas wear out gk is a whole new ritual for me with that fangled pedal also i began gk to wonder how strong that brake really is today i backed out of gk parking spot today and started to drive away before i noticed gk the glowing brake light oops mine is strong enough to not let the car move when its in even if youre giving it enough gas to normally move it in 1st you might need a brake adjustment gk the drivers power window creaks when closed all the way the same gk thing happens in my parents 1989 mercury sable oddly all the gk other windows work smoothly watch it closely the glass actually flexes from the torque in the motor it seems stronger in the drivers window then the others gk im liking the interior amenities more and more each day the gk cupholders are great ive found the location under the armrest in between the seats to be a pain but like having them they moved it into the dash pop out in the 91 model year much better gk i really feel like i dont deserve this car i really cant gk believe that i could afford it i got this car ten years gk ahead of schedule i did the same thing got a black 89 with 65 5k miles on it for 8k in july 92 gk ive put together the responses to my questions about the cars as gk well as other posts with useful information on these cars ill be gk posting this in the form of a faq soon grabbed it and archived it thanks gk if anyone is interested in starting a mailing list please speak up gk i dont know if i have the resources here at purdue to start one but gk maybe someone out there does ill be starting one this summer one way or the other current software i use dosent support mailing lists but is on the rsn list if not im going to upgrade to another package that does have it that is if nobody else beats me to it will make an announcement here when it goes up the cutting edge bbs cutting hou tx us a pcboard 14 5a system houston texas usa 1 713 466 1525 running uupcb cars re choice of gauges in article c5ybo4 e5i vcd hp com dmunroe vcd hp com dave gauge writes if you had free reign to design your own instrument cluster which gauges would you choose to have beyond the basic set oil pressure oil temperature coolant temperature manifold vacuum ammeter voltmeter fuel pressure maybe problematic since you either need an electronic sensor gauge pair or you have to mount the damn thing outside the car in addition itd be nice to have a big red idiot light check guages connected to oil pressure oil temp coolant temp ammeter voltmeter with heaps of guages its hard to look at them all all the time in the case of oil pressure for example you want to know right away if your oil pump goes bad unlike coolant temperature a minute or two of 0 oil pressure would be a very bad thing tm adam adam g adamg microware com or uunet mcrware adamg the above is not to be construed in any way as the official or unofficial statements of microware or any microware employees baseball tiger stadium gif does anybody have a gif of the tiger stadium seating chart thanks brian curran mead data central brian meaddata com i didnt think i shouldve been asked to catch when the temperature was below my age carlton fisk chicago white sox catcher on playing during a 40 degree april ball game guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 93104 231049u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes all your points are very well taken and things that i havent considered as i am not really familiar enough with handguns thats not all that kratz doesnt know hell a glock is the last thing that should be switched to the only thing that i know about a glock is the lack of a real safety on it sure there is that little thing in the trigger but that isnt too great of a safety now we know that kratz doesnt understand what a safety is supposed to do he also confuses things he can see with things that exist glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the outside a safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off unless thats what the user wants with glocks one says i want the gun to go off by pulling the trigger if the safeties it has make that work it has a real safety no matter what kratz thinks andy baseball re why the redflops can but wont win dont knock vaughn for being a spring training 400 hitter but a 250 regular season hitter around 30 games played isnt an indication of how good any hitter is and the quality of pitching is way down ryan robbins penobscot hall university of maine io20456 maine maine edu guns is it really apples to apples lawful vs unlawful use of guns i have been convinced of the right of americans to an effective self defense but something strikes me as odd among the pro rkba arguments presented here the numbers comparing hundreds of thousands indeed even a million of instances of law abiding citizens deterring criminal activity seem valid to me likewise the number of gun caused homicides each year about 11 000 year however it is surprising that the evil antigun empire darth vader breathing sound effect here never tries to compare all legitimate gun defenses vs all gun crimes instead its always all legitimate gun defenses which includes cases in which the criminals are shot but not killed and cases in which the criminal is not here vs just criminal gun homicides which only includes case sin which the victim died why is this of course it wouldnt be unreasonable to say that in each crime already measured involving guns the consequnces are already known and it is safe to assume that a gun based bank robbery last week will not suddenly turn into a gun basd robbery homicide whereas in the legitimate gun defenses one may assume that all those criminals who were deterred would have committed more crime or more serious crimes had they not been deterred case kim kim39 husc harvard edu baseball re erickson keith miller in article 1993apr16 032554 12401 mintaka lcs mit edu frankkim catfish lcs mit edu frank kim writes hi i was just wondering if anyone knew when erickson and keith miller are expected to come back and what exactly ails them dunno about miller if you mean scott erickson currently the reigning twins least consistent good player he pulled a muscle in the neighborhood of the rib cage that made it essentially impossible for him to pitch temporarily and is expected back on the mound sunday david thornley with tickets to see one of the scott ericksons pitch baseball orioles phillies red sox can someone send me ticket ordering information for the following teams baltimore philadelphia and boston also if you have a home schedule available can you tell me the dates for all home games between july26 aug6 and between aug30 sept10 and if any of these games are promotion nights or special discount nights thanks ron ps and also who the opponents are for these games do not reply to this account please reply to ronc vnet ibm com ibm canada lab database technology associate development analyst on astelletto 416 448 2546 tie line 778 2546 internal mail 51 843 895 tor cars re sho and sc in article c5l8re 28 constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article 1993apr15 232412 2261 ganglion ann arbor mi us david ganglion ann arbor mi us david hwang writes in article 5214 unisql uucp wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes in article chrissc587qb d1b netcom com chriss netcom com chris silvester writes why anyone would order an sho with an automatic transmission is beyond me if you cant handle a stick you should stick with a regular taurus and leave the sho to real drivers that is not to say that there arent real drivers who cant use the stick eg disabled persons but they arent in any position to use an sho anyway i would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic transmissions from all performance type cars like the 5 0l mustangs camaros and the like wed cut down on the number of accidents each year autos are fine for sedate little sedans but they have no business in performance cars imho james i have to disagree with this i have a 92 z28 with a 350 and a 4 speed auto w overdrive and it is really better that way chevy autos are reknowned for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power i live in the dallas area and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic here now if i still lived out in the sticks like i used to a manual would be more fun safety wise an auto is less distracting i would hate to have to be shifting gears while i was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here performance wise i can hold my own against any stock 5 0 mustang or 5 0 camaro w a five speed all of this imho robert l loper infinity is a notion best contemplated robertll flopn2 dseg ti com in a warm bed texas instruments inc my opinions are my own not tis religion re freemasonry and the southern baptist convention in article 1qv82l oj2 usenet ins cwru edu ch981 cleveland freenet edu tony alicea writes with the southern baptist convention convening this june to consider the charges that freemasonry is incompatible with christianity i thought the following quotes by mr james holly the anti masonic flag carrier would amuse you all the following passages are exact quotes from the southern baptist convention and freemasonry by james l holly m d president of mission and ministry to men inc 550 n 10th st beaumont tx 77706 much drivel deleted jesus christ never commanded toleration as a motive for his disciples and toleration is the antithesis of the christian message page 30 the central dynamic of the freemason drive for world unity through fraternity liberty and equality is toleration this is seen in the writings of the great writers of freemasonry page 31 more drivel deleted i hope you all had a good laugh i know i did g tony a laugh tony this religeous bigot scares the shit out of me and that any one bothers to listen to him causes me to have grave doubts about the future of just about anything shades of the branch davidians jim jones and charlie manson uncle wolf member highland lodge 748 f am grand lodge of california babtized a southern babtist and one who has beliefs beyond the teachings of either guns re fyi batf reply on waco in article 1993apr20 060635 26568 ke4zv uucp gary ke4zv uucp gary coffman writes in article naglec5n2sz 5ia netcom com nagle netcom com john nagle writes the san francisco examiner reports that clinton has issued instructions to federal law enforcement that they may not kill or injure anyone to resolve the waco situation so theyve built a fence around the compound and are now seriously considering building up the fence to prison camp levels pulling out most of the manpower and waiting however many months it takes well either the examiner was wrong as usual or clinton lied again or perhaps david koresh didnt listen too well just because mistakes were made does not mean the president lied gary gary coffman ke4zv you make it gatech wa4mei ke4zv gary destructive testing systems we break it uunet rsiatl ke4zv gary 534 shannon way guaranteed emory kd4nc ke4zv gary lawrenceville ga 30244 mark baseball re notes on jays vs indians series in article c5hpcv 4hl andy bgsu edu klopfens andy bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein writes cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes in article 1993apr13 195301 22652 csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson lu writes guess which line is which ba obp slg ab h 2b 3b hr bb x 310 405 427 571 177 27 8 8 87 y 312 354 455 657 205 32 1 20 35 i just love how the alomar fans left rbis off this list give me a break a little delayed but in the interests of fairness stats from elias ba obp slg r hr rbi rni outs alomar 310 405 427 105 8 76 264 20 5 419 baerga 312 354 455 92 20 105 316 21 2 480 so we see that baerga has a large advantage in rbi runs batted in rni runners not driven in and outs john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu cars impreza altima or what a friend of mine is cnsidering buying a new car and is considering the subaru impreza or the nissan altima right now which of these two cars would you recommend we definately want an airbag and abs and room for tall people and long legs if you have other suggestions for cars under 13k after dealing id be interested in you opinions as well please send replies to sem1 postoffice mail cornell edu no tthis address thanks scott windows stop message received running windows 3 1 application menu i am running windows 3 1 on a 386sx 16 mhz with five megs of memory the motherboard came with one meg and i added the four megs this past weekend they were 1x9 70 simms i had installed in the application menu ms dos command park up till today it parked the disk from the application menu without any problem when attempting to park the heads today i received the following message stop this application has violated system integrity due to an invalid general protection fault and will be terminated what does this message mean thanks david de trolio detrolio andromeda rutgers edu we in the united states can have increased revenue without punishing or penalizing those who have obtained personal and economic achievements cars review audi s4 quattro its been a while since ive reviewed a car but today i paid a visit to an old friend whose love for audis has been so overwhelming that he makes a not too sucessful living selling them without further delay i will get to the 1993 audi s4 1 servotronic steering for those who are not familiar with what servotronic is it is the name for the speed variable power steering manufactured by zf and used in audis and bmws i have been outspoken in my damming of servotronic over the past couple of months and this was based on magazine reviews and drives of the audi 90 cs quattro and the audi 100cs fwd i am quite happy to report now that on the s4 the servotronic is inoffensive i suppose that due to the fat gumball tires the servotronic has been loaded up more and this so far has been the best implementation that i have tried it is far from perfect mind you and id be much happier if it was an option that i could refuse but on the s4 i no longer consider this to be bad enough where i feel the entire car is ruined the steering is still a tad too light but it is accurate and i suppose the stiffly sprung chassis sends back so much information that some makes it through to the drivers hands so there is feel and there is accuracy in the s4s steering but there is also room for improvement i consider the s4s steering to be better than the japanese competition primarily because the japanese do not believe in feel and engineer it out completely 2 engine wheee what a pressure cooker with just 110 miles on the clock i did not expect the s4 to be producing anywhere close to what it will be putting out 10000 miles later but still the car packs a terrific punch for a turbocharged machine it is very unusual in that it encourages lazy driving i e low revs high gear it is so supremely flexible that one could hardly believe that theres only 2 2 liters of displacement to move this 3700 pound car around in such a fashion with maximum torque available at 1950 rpm and a 7200 rpm redline the car can pretty much be left in third all day which translates to a speed range of something like 20 100 mph a chracteristic that one normally associates with large capacity v8s the technical achievement is breadthtaking throttle response is right up there with a good atmospheric engine in fact it would even put peaky multivalve engines to shame downshifts are almost unnecessary it is more fun to use the overboost feature than to rev the engine for those not familiar the s4 engine features up to 15 seconds of additional turbo boost for passing sort of like lighting up the after burners in a jet fighter one could with the right foot only in third gear blast the car from 30 to 80 in just a few moments simply by flooring the gas as far as the numbers go maximum torque available in overboost mode shoots up to about 270 lb ft incredible for a 2 2 liter it takes a few moments for it to develop overboost but it is well worth waiting for since this is quite a heavy car ones body parts are not flung around like say the corrado vr6 the acceleration is smooth and strong somewhat similar to riding in a jetliner as it accelerates down the runway on takeoff also one is treated to a very distinctive and entertaining whistle from the turbo the only entertaining sound to come out of a very refined but bland sounding 5 banger yes audi has refined the 5 to the point where at 7200 rpm it sounds as serene as it does at 2000 the smoothness is outstanding but not quite up to the standards of a very good 6 e g a 12 valve bmw id say that in terms of refinement i e willingness to rev smoothness lack of harshness under full acceleration it is better than many v6s however lost in the refinement process is the characteristic 5 cylinder bark that made the older engines so characterful if not terribly refined the 20 valve turbo 5 sounds pretty bland except for the whistle under full boost subjectively id rate the vw vr6 engine as being far more musical than the turbo 5 also audis own v8 is also far more musical with a rorty race car growl when pressed though none of these can match its grunt the only hint of the engines true capacity occurs when one is taking off from rest after the turbo has come to a near stop with the extra inertia from the permanently engaged 4wd system one has to be somewhat delicate in feeding in the clutch to prevent an embarassing stall alternately one could use more revs in both cases a very small price to pay for such a fantastic engine i think that audi of america should offer an automatic option for this car just as they offer though in extremely small numbers a 5 speed for the much peakier v8 the characteristics of the engine are perfect for an automatic ironically in europe a slush is available but none is offered for the land of the slush marketing twits rearing their ugly heads again 3 chassis ive noticed that audis tend to have very wide wheels and relatively modest tire widths the car comes with firestones of size 225 50 zr16 which is not uncommon at all however the very attractive 5 spoke wheels are no less than 8 inches wide so there is no sidewall bulge whatsoever combined with the flared wheel arches the s4 has a mouth watering macho yet subdued look on rough concrete it becomes immediately clear that the new 100 body style has made significant advances in structural rigidity as well as road noise suppression i suppose the two are inter related but i digress to use a cliche the s4s body feels like it has been carved out of stone flex is totally undetectable even when going over rough roads with a super rigid body like this stiff springs and stiff dampers do not cause excessive harshness and while the s4s ride quality will never worry a lexus it will also not draw comparisons to trucks or pony cars the servotronic steering has already been mentioned i consider it to be inoffensive because it did not inhibit spirited cornering i was able to test the cars cornering powers without too much trepidation i think a new concept is at work in this car with its fat gumball tires talking about understeer or oversteer is practically meaningless on a banked highway on ramp i went in slow and started applying power as i went around i could feel the g forces build to the point where the skin on my face was being tugged sideways yet the car was totally and completely obedient to throttle and steering inputs it felt that the limits were not even close to being approached the g forces were thrilling but the entire affair of going around a curve is strangely uninvolving you tell the car what you want and it does it end of story i think that i am starting to relate more and more to those reviewers who were highly impressed by the honda nsxs clinical efficiency but were unable to fall in love with the car the brakes have a very good firmness to them and stop the car pretty well too though ive read that they are prone to fade i am not too surprised since the s4 does not have uprated brakes over the base audi 100 fwd harder pads would help but that in turn would lead to a more wooden response when cold i am starting to see a trend among the luxury sports sedan makers where extra weight is not being offset by additional braking capacity the ls400s fade performance is nothing to brag about neither is the q45s or the legends brake fade these days seem to be a forgotten virtue when everybodys attention is focused on anti lock capability 4 comfort for a car with such sporty abilities its comfort levels are also excellent the cabin is beautifully appointed with carbon fiber panel inserts in place of the wood trim of the 92 s4 all the expected gizmos are there heated seats power seats seat memory power this and that the glaring ommision was the trip computer which was removed because audi hasnt gotten it to work reliably yet that means that the car has no boost gauge a real disappointment taking into account how much the turbo dominates its performance unusual for the germans the s4 comes with a honda style moonroof as well as the very intelligent dial a sunroof position rotary switch noise levels including engine and tire noise is so low that i wouldnt consider the lexus advantage in this area to be significant enough to sway a potential buyer 5 conclusion even though few will be able to afford an audi s4 at its sticker price of 48k the car is a bargain if one takes into account what it has to offer over the competition the 20 valve turbo 5 is a real gem even if it doesnt produce ferrari sounds no other luxury sports sedan maker offers the utter security of quattro all wheel drive which to some is worth the extra money all by itself the safety features are also top notch 1994 side impact standard compliant the very elegant automatic seat belt tensioners and the dual airbags the 100 series audis have been outstanding in government crash tests it gets my thumbs up for being so overwhelmingly capable rather than being all out exciting and intoxicating eliot religion re a kind and loving god in article 1993apr15 200231 10206 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote these laws written for the israelites gods chosen people whom god had expressly set apart from the rest of the world the israelites were a direct witness to gods existence to disobey god after knowing that god is real would be an outright denial of god and therefore immediately punishable remember these laws were written for a different time and applied only to gods chosen people but jesus has changed all of that we are living in the age of grace sin is no longer immediately punishable by death there is repentance and there is salvation through our lord jesus christ and not just for a few chosen people salvation is available to everyone jew and gentile alike jews wont agree with you malcolm cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net windows soundblaster v2 0 drivers for win 3 1 hi all could someone please tell me if there are drivers for windows 3 1 for the new soundblaster 2 0 or will the 1 5 drivers be sufficient i would be appreciate any info thanks greg ennis 93gke cs williams edu baseball re best first basemen in article 1993apr20 102857 1 tesla njit edu drm6640 tesla njit edu wrote don mattingly is the best first baseman in the history of baseball always has been always will be actually keith hernandez is the best sean behind the bag vin scully cars 13 500 mazda 626 dx with air am fm good deal hi netters i want to know if 13500 w o tax is a good deal for 1993 mazda 626 dx how is the performance review so far on mazda 626 is it a good buy please reply to me as i dont read this group often thanks in advance ravi ravi kiran puvvala the purpose of education is not merely ravi merlin dev cdx mot com the assimilation of facts but blow all motorola codex boston ma the money ravi puvvala guns newbie this is my first time on the network but i am very concerned with this incident in waco i will refrain from stating my opinions until after i have read the faq could someone tell me how to get this i must say that i believe the govt was wrong in the actions that they took in this situation portenier icsgh339 trex oscs montana edu baseball re notes on jays vs indians series in article 1993apr15 123803 4618 webo dg com lyford dagny webo dg com lyford beverage writes in article 1993apr13 202037 9485 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article rudyc5fr3q 1cl netcom com rudy netcom com rudy wade writes in article c5fmxd 2pm cs dal ca niguma ug cs dal ca gord niguma writes he probably didnt even have as good a season as alomar last year snip uh yes baerga has a lot of flash but alomar was the better hitter last year stats deleted weve all seen them by now this is fascinating you say that alomar was the better hitter last year and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that baerga had a better year the only category that i see which shows an advantage for alomar is obp i nominate this last bit for anti stathead quote of the week alomar only has a 50 point advantage in the most important offensive category while baerga who studied in the joe carter school of out burning has more impressive mediot stats largely due to opportunities rather than quality the lines are fairly close in value but edge to alomar now baerga aint chopped liver but alomar is still the man to beat among al second basemen craig craig s richardson crichar eskimo com formerly eskimo celestial com gm pullman sleepers obfbl gm seattle rainiers ifl gm manager tacoma black adders ibl gm new jack city highlanders kl tacoma black adders a growing excited team the future begins tomorrow medicine re burzynskis antineoplastons in article 93111 145432icgln asuacad bitnet icgln asuacad bitnet writes a good source of information on burzynskis method is in the cancer industry by pulitzer prize nominee ralph moss interesting what book got moss the pulitzer nomination none of the flyers for his books mention this and none of the cancer chronicle newsletters that i have mention this either also a non profit organization called people against cancer which was formed for the purpose of allowing cancer patients to access information regarding cancer therapies not endorsed by the cancer industry but which have shown highly promising results all of which are non toxic moss is people against cancers director of communications people against cancer seems to offer pretty questionable information not exactly the place a cancer patient should be advised to turn to most maybe all of the infomation in their latest catalogue concern treatments that have been shown to be ineffective against cancer and many of the treatments are quite dangerous as well sdb sdb ssr com baseball re bases loaded walk gives reds win in 12 in article mssc5y5u0 4dn netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes actually i think the large scale sample size is part of the problem it seems to me that if we were to plot all the players in baseball in regard to ba vs clutch ba deviation we would get some kind of bell curve the x axis being the deviation in clutch hitting vs non clutch the y axis being the number of players certainly there would be some players on the extreme ends of the bell right most definitely my supposition is that if we were to find the same players consistently year after year at one end of the bell or the other then we might be able to make some reasonable conclusions about those players as opposed to all baseball players this may be the root of the confusion please consider the following hypothetical with an open mind note that i am not yet saying that it has anything to do with the question at hand suppose we have a simplified lotto game you pick a number from 1 10 and win if that number is drawn suppose we have a large population of people who play this game every week in the first year of the game approximately 1 4 of the population will win 7 or more times in the second year of the game 1 4 of those 7 time winners will again be 7 time winners in the third year of the game 1 4 of those who won 7 or more times in each of the first two years will win 7 again suppose i started with 1024 people in my population after three years i have 32 people who have consistently in each of the last three years won 140 or more the number of times expected do we expect them to be big winners in the fourth year of the game no because we know there is no skill involved nothing about these consistent winners can influence their chances of winning but suppose we dont know whether or not there is a chance that skill might be involved perhaps some of the people in our population are psychic or something how would we test this hypothesis we can look for correlations in the population now most of the population will show zero correlation but our psychics should show a high positive correlation even if they arent very good psychics they should still manage to win 7 or more times most years net result a small positive correlation over the entire population this probably brings us to the heart of the disagreement i am having with others on this topic must any conclusion based on statistical history be able to be applied broadly throughout a data base before it has any validity is it impossible or irrational to apply statistical analysis to selected components of the data base well zero correlation is zero correlation you mention that sabo has hit poorly in the clutch over the last 3 years but if we look at the past we find that clutch patterns are just as likely to reverse as they are to remain consistent the length of the streak doesnt seem to make a difference to the probability that the player will be clutch or choke the next year is there any reason to expect this streak to be different from past streaks now if it were true that 75 of all three year streaks remained true to form then we might have something useful but then we wouldnt have zero correlation instead we have 50 of all three year streaks remain true to form and 50 of all three year streaks reverse you look at those numbers and say three year choke streak implies more likely to choke this year but it would be equally valid to look at those numbers and say three year choke streak implies more likely to be clutch this year since the probabilities are split 50 50 each way i completely accept that reasoning again what if we were to find the same individuals at each end of the spectrum on a consistent basis then we would have something useful and we would also have a positive correlation but for every individual that exhibits such a pattern and holds true there is another who exhibits such a pattern and then reverses cheers valentine cars 22600 subaru svx good deal hi netters my friend is seriously thinking of getting the subaru svx there is a local dealer here in seattle selling them for 22600 with touring package thats 7400 off from msrp he thinks its a very good deal and i think so too since he knows i have access to the net he would like to get anyones opinion about this car especially in the area of reliability and maintenanability please send e mail to me as my friend doesnt have access to the net my opinion about this car is you get a lot for 22600 auto everything tranny climate control windows locks folddow rear seet full wheel drive 2 2 fast 143 top spped heavy 3580lb thanks in advacne tom locke work 206 865 6568 boeing computer services e mail toml voodoo boeing com p o box 24346 m s 7k 20 or uunet bcstec voodoo toml seattle wa 98124 0346 guns re the dayton gun buy back re boston gun buy back on wed 21 apr 1993 16 01 03 gmt larry cipriani lvc cbnews cb att com wrote according to wnci 97 9 fm radio this morning dayton ohio is operating a gun buy back they are giving 50 for every functional gun turned in they ran out of money in one day and are now passing out 50 vouchers of some sort they are looking for more funds to keep operating another media event brought to you by hci is there something similar pro gun people can do for example pay 100 to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm sounds a bit tacky but hey whatever works how about a gun buy back charity get some sponsors to fund the purchase of used firearms have a gunsmith check them over and give or sell them at a low price to poor persons wishing to own firearms ok you guys can work out the details of who is needy etc charles scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept of physics michigan tech houghton mi 49931 when all government in little as in great things shall be drawn to washington as the centre of all power it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated thomas jefferson 1821 medicine re krillean photography in article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alex vuse vanderbilt edu alexander p zijdenbos writes flame on reading through the posts about kirlian whatever spelling photography i couldnt help but being slightly disgusted by the narrow minded i know it all i dont believe what i cant see or measure attitude of many people out there where have you seen that attitude i am neither a real believer nor a disbeliever when it comes to so called paranormal stuff but as far as im concerned it is just as likely as the existence of for instance a god which seems to be quite accepted in our societies without any scientific basis i am convinced that it is a serious mistake to close your mind to something anything simply because it doesnt fit your current frame of reference history shows that many great people great scientists were people who kept an open mind and were ridiculed by sceptics fine jackass suppose you point out even one aspect of kirlian photography thats not explained by a corona discharge carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey i understand vaxen and vms thats what i get paid for my understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level or below so unless what im saying is directly related to vax vms dont hold me or my organization responsible for it if it is related to vax vms you can try to hold me responsible for it but my organization had nothing to do with it cars re plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences they are pretty much junk stay away from them they will be replaced next year with all new models junk theyve made the c d lists for years due to their excellent handling and acceleration they have been around since about oh 85 or 86 so theyre not the newest on the lot and mileage is about five to eight mpg under the class leader you can get into a 3 0 l v 6 141 hp shadow for 10 11k the i 4 turbo a bit more and a droptop for 14 15k windows re windows 3 1 general questions in article 1495 heimdall sdrc com crgruen sony1 sdrc com robert gruen writes 1 i received amish utilities for windows when i purchased turbo c for windows what is amish utilities what can it do for me all i received was the disk no docs maybe it milks the dogcow 9 2 i am running windows in 1024x768x256 mode using a driver that was supplied with my svga card the card is a boca svga card with 1meg ram and i think it has an et4000 chip in it at least thats what some program tells me the driver is an old driver that was written for windows 3 1 it seems to work fine but would i gain any benefits by switching to a newer driver if so which one should i use and where could i find it lots of drivers are available off ftp cica indiana edu in pub pc win3 drivers video ive tried two et4cview zip and et4turbo zip these give you a choice of turbo and non turbo drivers the turbo drivers were fast but caused mouse problems with my machine which has a diamond speedstar card i finally got turbo drivers wndspeed by binar from diamond amazing blazingly fast for a non accelerated card and best of all no gpfs for a month or so iskandar taib the only thing worse than peach ala internet ntaib silver ucs indiana edu frog is frog ala peach bitnet ntaib iubacs cars re mr2 seats for sale in article 1993apr26 155800 29900 noao edu groves noao edu lee groves writes from article 1993apr26 025509 27126 ultb isc rit edu by adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu i have a pair of sport seats from 85 mr2 for sale blue black as the owner of an mr2 and having several friends who own them i am very uncomfortable when i see an ad like this i have known several people who have lost the seats from their mr2 in the middle of the night to support the celica retro fit trade and the insurance companies have been very miserable to deal with in all cases when these seats are seen for sale they are most often stolen so it would be nice to see a statement saying where they came from that would at least help to soothe the reflexive fear that someone is making a buck at someone elses expense ill give this seller the benefit of the doubt but people should be aware the the vast majority of mr2 seats on the market especially those that are in celicas are stolen lee btw they are incredible seats so if its legit go for it i am the original owner of the seats and the original poster i take very serious offence in your statement i see a lot of computers advertized on the net and my friend just had been releived of his machine all the net computer ads are for stolen computers where did you learn logic as for the seats they were replaced by a much harder literally celica gts seats due to my back problem that is why i had to reuse the mr2 brackets and thats why the mr2 seats i sell are attached to celica brackets please in the future think before you make allegations like the above it hurts mike s windows re trumpet for windows other news readers in article ashok 653 0 biochemistry cwru edu ashok biochemistry cwru edu ashok aiyar writes in article 1993apr21 082430 liris tew kuleuven ac be wimvh liris tew kuleuven ac be wim van holder writes what the status of trumpet for windows will it use the windows sockets stuff deleted currently wintrumpet is in very late beta it looks like an excellent product with several features beyond the dos version wintrumpet supports the trumpet tcp novell lwp and there is also a direct to packet driver version that some people are using with the dis pkt shim ashok ashok aiyar mail ashok biochemistry cwru edu department of biochemistry tel 216 368 3300 cwru school of medicine cleveland ohio fax 216 368 4544 whats it gonna cost ginny mcbride oregon health sciences university mcbride ohsu edu networks technical services the purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas obscure poor reasoning and inhibit clarity with a little practice writing can be an intimidating and impenetrable fog academia here i come calvin hobbes medicine re mental illness reply to dabbott augean eleceng adelaide edu au derek abbott are there any case histories of severe mental illness cases remarkably recovering after a tragic accident or trauma eg through nobodys fault being trapped in a fire and losing your legs say i know of a patient who was severely and chronically depressed and tried to kill himself with a bullet to the temple he essentially gave himself a prefrontal lobotomy curing the depression david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell cars 89 toyota camry 9000 89 toyota camry le 4 dr sedan ac at power windows and locks 53k miles asking 9000 pls call 510 526 8248 or send e mail to this account baseball re players rushed to majors i missed the original post but arent the expos rushing alomost their entire team this year i am from montreal and am a fan but geez the expos rank 27th in salary only the rockies trail and someone at the average age would probably be in first year university corelmark cars re warning please read in article 1993apr15 192250 18815 cbnewse cb att com turbo cbnewse cb att com gerald l lindahl writes from article 1993apr15 024246 8076 virginia edu by ejv2j virginia edu erik velapoldi this happened about a year ago on the washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass four or five cars were hit there were several serious injuries and sadly about a year ago some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on i 94 near eau claire wisconsin and it killed the driver below i believe he was a schoolteacher from minnesota jason hanson 915 w wisconsin ave 1010 414 288 2179 marquette university milwaukee wi 53233 2373 ham radio n9lea ae jason studsys mscs mu edu n9lea n0ary nocal ca usa na guns re govt break ins re 60 minutes aj336 cleveland freenet edu pat weber writes ever notice that people in these cases are always described by clever handles such as eccentric religious wackos gun nuts cultists survivalists etc so the general public will not identify with them the san jose mercury news described him as a 61 year old retired chemical engineer john nagle guns re cnn for sale in article 1qt8pt ge4 geraldo cc utexas edu mikey ccwf cc utexas edu strider writes in article 93106 21394634aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes in article 2001 150 uupcb yob sccsi com jim wray yob sccsi com jim wray says bill vojak hey if you can get it together im all for it i too am one of the poor a college student get a bank account set aside and set aside a big ass data base and you will get my contribution im setting aside as of now 10 a month not a slew of cash to be sure but its the best i can do let me know what you guys come up with im sure as hell not going anywhere e mail to djh4484 rigel tamu edu death to tyrants kane better ideas anyone havent heard em yet windows bj10 and lbp 4 pr drivers needed hello could anybody be so kind and tell me the date and possible ftp location of the most recent win 3 1 printer drivers for canon bj 10e and canon lbp 4 i would really appreciate if you could help me with this thanks in advance kjell hut fi kjell niksula hut fi kjell vipunen hut fi cars re ad said nissan altima best seller i too was puzzled by this obvious untruth what i think is going on is that nissan claims that the altima is the best selling new car namelplate in the us i think i have this near verbatim lee iaccocas statistics dept would have been proud of that sentence note that the corolla prism are also new designs but hey are not new nameplates i guess nissan doesnt even sell as many altimas as toyota does corollas or there would be no nameplate qualifier cars 1986 mazda forsale for sale mazda 323 1986 mazda 323 white exterior grey interior 75 000 miles interior in very good condition exterior in good condition pioneer dx 680 car stereo cd player 18 fm presets 6 am removable faceplate seperate component speakers professionally mounted in the doors the car has been well maintained i wax it often and keep the interior clean its a good running car with a solid body no rust thru tiny spots of surface rust when i see a spot i touch it up the stereo makes the car i have had no mechanical problems with it im looking for 900 00 firm the car has an average wholesale value of about 900 00 without the stereo the stereo cost me 500 00 last july if you are interested call or email me at carl mercer cm cci com 716 654 2652 716 359 0895 evening baseball re mvp 92 revisited in article 1r6hf4innc16 gap caltech edu tim shippert writes ideally dhs should be the strongest offensive players because any schmoe can play dh if he can hit that would take care of position corrected anomolies such as franks since that is not the case and why not is it always this way then we are going to have trouble finding the true value of dhs using the same models as that for position players there are several reasons for this difference the main reason is that good hitters in their prime such as frank thomas and danny tartabull are rarely regular dhs even if they cant field its more commonly a place to put aging veterans another use of the dh slot is to help a player come back from injury slowly getting his bat in the lineup without forcing him to play in the field i would expect such players to hit worse as dhs than they did during the rest of the season a third factor is that most player who split time between dh and first or the outfield dont hit as well as dhs for some reason reggie jackson was a good example in five years as a rf dh for the angels he hit like the old reggie when he was in right the second and third factors will be lost if players are considered by their primary position only a player who plays 90 games in right and 60 at dh will count only in the right fielders averages a logical starting place would be to look at defensive replacement value if you can find it for 1b or lf or something we can assume that if forced to play defense they would play at true zero value even though i doubt this is actually true for players like winfield and molitor this would let us discount the time they spend playing dh because that forces the team to find another real fielder to play this makes sense you might also look at it another way although the average offensive performance of a dh may be lower than for a left fielder the replacement level offensive performance is certainly lower if you are a left fielder but cant hit well enough to keep a job anywhere then you certainly cant hit well enough to keep a job at dh david grabiner grabiner zariski harvard edu we are sorry but the number you have dialed is imaginary please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again disclaimer i speak for no one and no one speaks for me baseball re jewish baseball players you can add steve rosenberg one time white sox reliever now in the mets system to the list greg medicine re teenage acne pchurch swell actrix gen nz pat churchill writes my 14 y o son has the usual teenage spotty chin and greasy nose i bought him clearasil face wash and ointment i think that is probably enough along with the usual good diet however he is on at me to get some product called dalacin t which used to be a doctors prescription only treatment but is not available over the chemists counter i have asked a couple of pharmacists who say either his acne is not severe enough for dalacin t or that clearasil is ok i had the odd spots as a teenager nothing serious his father was the same so i dont figure his acne is going to escalate into something disfiguring but i know kids are senstitive about their appearance i am wary because a neighbours son had this wierd malady that was eventually put down to an overdose of vitamin a from acne treatment i want to help but with appropriate treatment my son also has some scaliness around the hairline on his scalp sort of teenage cradle cap any pointers advice on this we have tried a couple of anti dandruff shampoos and some of these are inclined to make the condition worse not better shall i bury the kid till hes 21 no i was one of the lucky ones very little acne as a teenager i didnt have any luck with clearasil even though my skin gets oily it really only gets miserable pimples when its dry frequent lukewarm water rinses on the face might help getting the scalp thing under control might help that could be as simple as submerging under the bathwater till its softened and washing it out taking a one a day vitamin mineral might help ive heard iodine causes trouble and that it is used in fast food restaurants to sterilize equipment which might be where the belief that greasy foods cause acne came from i notice grease on my face not immediately removed will cause acne even from eating meat keeping hair rinse mousse dip and spray off the face will help warm water bath soaks or cloths on the face to soften the oil in the pores will help prevent blackheads body oil is hydrophilic loves water and it softens and washes off when it has a chance thats why hair goes limp with oilyness becoming convinced that the best thing to do with a whitehead is leave it alone will save him days of pimple misery any prying of black or whiteheads can cause infections the red spots of pimples usually a whitehead will break naturally in a day and there wont be an infection afterwards tell him that its normal to have some pimples but the cosmetic industry makes its money off of selling people on the idea that they are an incredible defect to be hidden at any cost even that of causing more pimples jackie cars re lexus and infiniti dont the numbers in the car names above refair to the engine size in liters i e ls400 4 0litre engine sc300 3 0 liter sport coupe and q45 4 5liter similar kinda to bmw and mb nameing deal note bmw doesnt always follow this convention for example 1980 320i had a 1 8 liter engine the 1979 had a 2 0 liter medicine re chronic sinus and antibiotics you can also swab the inside of your nose with bacitracin using a q tip bacitracin is an antibiotic that can be bought otc as an ointment in a tube the doctor i listen to on the radio says to apply it for 30 days while you are taking other antibiotics by mouth guns re ax the atf true congress has said that possesion of an unlicensed automatic weapon is a violation of the law congress did not however say that such possesion was a capital offense or a transgression worth getting four good government agents killed and 16 others wounded even if it were a capital offense the warrant was not even an arrest warrant but a search warrant in other words there was no evidence of illegal arms just enough of a suggestion to get a judge to sign a license to search for illegal evidence question as in the rodney king case will the us doj institute criminal civil rights proceedings against the batf or at least an investigation ok sorry i asked windows what does the bmp format mean what exactly does the windows bitmap format look like i mean how is the data stored width height no of colours bitmap data i couldnt find anything in ths user manual is there any other reference material which would give me this information thanks andrew cars re viper rmt6r faraday clas virginia edu roy matthew thigpen writes last night i had a dream that my dad bought a viper i took it out for a test drive without his knowledge and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket wierd dream i wonder what it means vell lets see vas you muzzah in der passenger seat or vas you muzzah in der leefing room vit you fazah m feeling a tad bit freudian doubtless inspired by the magnificent phallic ness some word of the viper guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 93105 215548u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes i have been at a shooting range where gang members were practicing shooting in article 1993apr15 202811 29312 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman says how do we know that they were gang members and not undercover cops or even law abiding menacing minorities btw why the sneer quotes we know because the area that the gun shop shooting range is in is right on the border of the west side of chicago that is a gang infested area so kratz was there does that mean that hes a gang member even in the most gang infested areas most of the residents are not gang members that only minorities have gangs not so as far as the quotes are concerned it was totally obvious that they werent just practicing for marksmanship how was it obvious were they not trying to hit the target or does kratz confuse marksmanship with trying to simulate a post if so that excludes self defense shooting but the rest of us understand that that exclusion would be an error it excludes a lot of legit gun games as well dont know about you but i have never seen anyone else practice marksmanship by taking their gun out of their coat as fast as possible and start shooting sounds like practical pistol or maybe ipsc it also sounds like how a self defense shooter might well practice the only things that action excludes are hunting and like a post shooting kratz should get out more often andy baseball re why is barry bonds not batting 4th in article 1r93di car apple com chuq apple com chuq von rospach writes punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi writes some evidence that is not working take a look at the standings its real easy to get so focussed on minutinae and forget that the giants happen to be in first place if its working you dont screw it up by changing things just because you think it ought to be different so that is the reason why the toronto blue jays should keep alfredo griffin just because it worked a team winning doesnt mean that everything that its doing is right a team not winning doesnt mean that everything that its doing is wrong or otherwise to borrow the sharks situation you would say that george kingston should be fired some folks like to argue about theoretical details i prefer to watch teams win when the giants slip to third then we can talk about how to re arrange the batting order until then i think its stupid to focus on whats wrong for the simple fact that its working as it is by then its too late the problem with not fixing something while its working is that by then there may not be anything left to fix mostly though the giants are winning and frankly as long as that continues its rather silly to second guess their strategy but evidently some folks would rather be right than be first so the blue jays were simply perfect last year there was nothing that they could have done to have improved that team not go california angels nelson lu claudius leland stanford edu baseball rockies 2 5 two more errors 6 more walks name pos ab h 2b 3b hr rbi rs sb e avg boston of 12 7 2 6 583 galarraga 1b 28 13 3 1 9 2 464 tatum 3b 5 2 1 400 cole cf 24 9 1 2 8 2 375 e young 2b 28 9 1 1 1 5 10 5 3 321 hayes 3b 25 7 1 2 5 2 1 2 280 murphy of 4 1 1 250 bichette rf 21 5 1 5 3 1 238 clark lf 24 5 2 2 1 208 girardi c 25 5 1 1 3 2 200 castilla ss 6 1 1 167 benavides ss 18 1 2 1 4 056 g young of 1 1 000 pitchers p 12 000 totals 233 65 9 3 5 34 37 9 11 279 name l r ip h r er k bb era w l s wayne l 2 7 3 0 0 3 2 0 00 0 0 0 aldred l 5 4 3 1 1 6 1 80 0 0 0 smith r 12 3 15 3 3 2 3 2 19 1 1 0 ashby r 5 6 2 2 3 5 3 60 0 0 0 neid r 12 15 6 6 5 8 4 50 1 1 0 parrett r 5 7 7 3 3 7 3 4 76 0 0 0 blair r 5 3 7 5 3 2 3 5 06 0 0 0 henry l 6 9 6 5 4 1 7 50 0 1 0 ruffin l 3 7 6 5 3 4 15 00 0 1 0 reed r 2 7 7 7 7 1 3 23 63 0 0 0 holmes r 1 3 6 10 9 1 4 60 75 0 1 0 totals 61 86 51 44 32 42 6 49 2 5 0 cars re warning please read windows re trumpet for windows other news readers in article ashok 653 0 biochemistry cwru edu ashok biochemistry cwru edu ashok aiyar writes in article 1993apr21 082430 liris tew kuleuven ac be wimvh liris tew kuleuven ac be wim van holder writes what the status of trumpet for windows will it use the windows sockets i liked it in dos but had to abandon it since i started using ndis to access our token ring results in invalid class error while i do not speak for peter tattam i am fairly sure he is planning a winsock compliant version while this will definitely not make the initial public release of wintrumpet it will follow on shortly thereafter currently wintrumpet is in very late beta it looks like an excellent product with several features beyond the dos version wintrumpet supports the trumpet tcp novell lwp and there is also a direct to packet driver version that some people are using with the dis pkt shim ashok ashok is wintrumpet available anywhere via anonymous ftp james r garven dept of finance cba 3 250 voice 512 471 6557 graduate school of business fax 512 471 5073 university of texas internet jgarven mcl cc utexas edu austin tx 78712 u s a bitnet garven utxvm bitnet education is hanging on until youve caught on robert frost windows diamond speedstar driver for v3 1 i am looking for a win31 driver or set for my diamond speedstar 1mb video card does anybody know of an archive site that has these i looked at cica and it had drivers for the stealth card and for generic et4000 cards but not one specifically for the speedstar is there one or has diamond dropped the speedstar out of the driver development loop thanks for any info rob robert mee boston university information technology rem bu it bu edu guns texas hb 1776 voting is today i just called texas legislative bill tracking service and found out that hb 1776 concealed carry is scheduled for a floor vote today let those phone calls roll in daryl daryl biberdorf n5gjm d biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura religion re that kill by sword must be killed by sword in article sandvik 210493014635 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes in article c5tcz8 4z9 rbdc wsnc org royc rbdc wsnc org roy crabtree wrote in article 20apr199306173611 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu stephen writes in article sandvik 190493201048 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes so are you happy now when 70 people including innocent kids died today its amazing how everyone automatically blames one side or the other one thing for sure koresh will have no chance to defend himself against the statements lacking in fact or court sponsored verification made by agents who participated in the situation that killed him frankly speaking i dont care who started this whole show i just feel sad about the children that were trapped and had to die for a case that didnt have any reason whatsoever all mr koresh could have done would have been to release these 19 children could he and the first three that died when guns ablazing in came the batf and fbi i imagine i would have some trouble giving up my children to someone who had just shot what two of them nb it takes two sets of guns in a situation like this yes i put the blame on koresh and similar fanatical religious leaders that think more about their cause than about keeping fanatical those whowill not tolerate anothers way of life religious based on emotional internal or otherwise lacking in commonly defined scientific basis including legal ones such as this old saw innocent untilproven guilty not innocent until presumed guilty who is the fanatic note who is dead this usually bespeaks a fair bit for the idea that the other side also had lethal weapons used fatally they are dead the children at best koresh was an asshole and the government criminally negligent in its hadni ling of the case at worst koresh and his followers were innocent not brainwashed guilty of illegal arms possession as yet unproven and murderedd along with 25 children they cannot speak for themselves members of the surviving alive and not burned to death batf fbi can and are inappropriately to the public eye outside the bounds of their legal authorities read the charter the constitution specifies that the courts convict while the enforcement arm investigates and that the evidence involved shuld not be disseminated in a way to harm or injure a party involved prior to that action its called slander or libel even where factually true butthen distoted or disseminated with intent to harm for the purpose of covering their butts because the bottom line is they said they wanted the kids to get out alive and thefbi the batf ms reno the prez and everybody else in this sick selfserving group of upright animals that used to be a freedom loving peaceful country called america look up the name it might surprise you has turned the point the finger of blame on the other guy and let those kids die note well they lived 51 days they only died when attacked by outside force spocks world diane duane the spear in the heart of another is the spear in your own all of us are responsible iam you are the question is not whether but how guess what you get to make up your own mind on that children out from the war zone im not ashamed of this statement who created the war zone you should be ashamed of bypassing that its the same damned literally comment made by the folks in the former yugoslavia to justify ethnic cleansing gee they had the guns all they had to do was surrender to justify other means does not eliminate the fact that children died for a cause that they should not have been part of whose cause did they die for the one where they lived peacibly to all known purposes until proven in court folks or the cuase of righteous government safeguarding the freedom of the children who are now dead againi say i do not know who did what i was not there the fbi leaders show moral sickness trying to convict in the press ahead of schedule and you should look over your shoulder becuase if there is anything my ruminations that actually sets onto real fact of what happened and i do not know that i am defending people who ahving been burned to death cannot speak for themselves you may in 22 5 years find that the concept in our court system has gone from due processss to due profit and the batf come to collect their fair share of the tax on the value of your house if you rented it for income which is going down now folks read bankruptcy 1995 its accurate in figures and it bypasses the greedy businessman and mankers who have taken profit from the corruption of our govbernment look to where the money went folks you got 10 for medicare that paid a doctor for 00 50 worth of medicine this is the customaryprofitmargin to businessmen for goernment entitlements who wll own the land of the cult now note well it was nonproift religious and nontaxable large tract of land hmmm use your brains folks it happened germany and it can happen here 4 3 trillion admitted and counting kent royc sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net cars re water in trunk of 89 probe in article 1r1r4binnfja tamsun tamu edu jlong emcnext2 tamu edu james long writes in article 1r1crn 27g transfer stratus com tszeto sneezy ts stratus com tommy szeto writes water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friends 89 ford probe every once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water under the plywood carpet cover on the trunk i would guess this usually happens after a good thunder storm a few qs 1 is this a common problem 2 where are the drain holes located for the hatch i noticed this is my 89 probe also when recently cleaning out the back i think the water is coming up through some rubber stoppered holes beneath the spare mine looked slightly worn and there was no water or water damage above the level of the spare area i have the same problem with my 90 probe the water is definitely not comming up from the rubber stoppered hole beneath the spare i have to remove the rubber stopper to drain the water seems like a common problem with probe po sum chung email chung ames arc nasa gov guns re guns gone good riddance in article 1993apr18 000152 2339 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu says ah i love posts like this many people have already replied to this one as i knew they would im not going to say much as this just seems like baiting to me someone decided to post to see how many people would get mad and reply i am just going to ignore it but i do have one thing to say see below surrender your arms soon enough officers will be around to collect them resistance is useless they will overwhelm you one at a time listen buddy if youre going to quote star trek get the quote right it was resistance is futile get it right the next time jason u28037 uicvm cc uic edu medicine need info on circumcision medical cons and pros i need information on the medical including emotional pros and cons of circumcision at birth i am especially interested in references to studies that indicate disadvantages or refute studies that indicate advantages a friend who is a medical student is writing a survey paper and apparently the studies she has run into are all for circumcision the main argument being a lower risk of penile cancer please email responses as i am not a frequent reader of either group i will summarize to the net gunnar blix good advice is one of those insults that blix cs uiuc edu ought to be forgiven unknown gunnar blix good advice is one of those insults that blix cs uiuc edu ought to be forgiven unknown cars traffic rules at intersections i am presently doing a masters thesis to do with traffic intersections in new zealand but a lot of the books i am researching from are from america or australia and so i was wondering if anyone could please tell me what the road rules are in either country with regard to intersections thanks julian visch jsv math canterbury ac nz i windows re using microsoft foundation classes with borland c 3 1 hi all has anybody tried to compile ctrltest from the mfc samples directory after compiling the mfc libs with bwc seems to me that bwc isnt able to distinguish pointers to overloaded functions for example imagine the following 2 overloaded functions void same name void void same name int after trying the whole day i think with bwc its impossible to take the adress of one of the above two functions and assign it to a properly defined function pointer am i right has anybody else had this problem thanx medicine re altitude adjustment in article 4159 mdavcr mda ca vida mdavcr mda ca vida morkunas writes i live at sea level and am called upon to travel to high altitude cities quite frequently on business the cities in question are at 7000 to 9000 feet of altitude one of them especially is very polluted often i feel faint the first two or three days i feel lightheaded and my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea level also it is very dry in these cities so i will tend to drink a lot of water and keep away from dehydrating drinks such as those containing caffeine or alcohol thing is i still have symptoms how can i ensure that my short trips there no i dont usually have a week to acclimatize are as comfortable as possible is there something else that i could do i saw a lifetime medical television show a few months back on travel medicine it briefly mentioned some drugs which when started two or three days before getting to altitude could assist in acclimitazation unfortunately all that i can recall is that the drug stimulated breathing at night i dont know if that makes sense it seems to me that the new drug which stimulates red blood cell production would be a more logical approach erythropoiten sp alas i didnt record the program but wish i had since i live at over 7000ft and my mother gets sick when visiting please let me know if you get more informative responses phone 505 845 7561 martin e lewitt my opinions are domain lewitt ncube com p o box 513 my own not my sandia melewitt cs sandia gov sandia park nm 87047 0513 employers guns re the law of retribution in article lteid7inn88q appserv eng sun com fiddler concertina eng sun com steve hix writes re mcelwaine is there nowhere on the net that this guy will not post i just heard this week that he has started on compuserve flying models forum now sigh cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet baseball re pleasant yankee surprises in article mssc5k4gi g64 netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes i dont have a history handy but i dont recall that the preponderance of roys come from winning teams in fact i think team performance is generally irrelevant as almost always the most deserving candidate wins am i wrong not really though i wouldnt personally say the most deserving candidate wins rarely does a player win roy when called up in mid season and there have been several duds in recent years but this is more a factor of mediot biases than anything else i wonder if amaral hits like he is capable of will he receive roty votes hes only 31 he could have a long career ahead of him and he is not necessarily on a losing team while the angels staff is still very weak their everyday lineup is doing quite well thank you snow is playing great salmon is learning to make the adjustments easley appears fine but even if hes not flora is ready to come up between gonzales and gruber theyll manage the hot corner polonia and curtis are steady and heady even myers and orton are contributing personally i think they can finish over 500 which makes them a winning team i think they are a second division team they should finish ahead of the royals mariners and possibly athletics but i dont think theyll be above 500 i think the east is stronger this year last year their pitching was bad and their offense was horrible this year their offense is better but their pitching is still pretty bad even if finley returns to form he wont replace what they lost in abbott sanderson farrell i dont believe it and while their ba may be good and they have decent speed their offense lacks punch they dont have any bona fide power hitters salmon snow davis and curtis none with more than 20 hr potential cheers valentine p s which al team had the most steals last week those go go tigers the mediots finally managed to convince them that they needed more balance in their lineup you see they were scoring too many runs too consistently gotta run more to break that up windows deltapoints animated desktop hiyas all upon getting animated desktop for windows as a gift from my boyfriend i couldnt wait to install it i had gotten an advertisement for it and put it aside with my list of i wants after installing the software it didnt load no part of the software would load even though the install went seemingly well i called deltapoint with the problem and after asking me twenty million different questions about my system concluded that i had one of the systems that the software was incompatible with of course theyre willing to give me my back what a waste of time and energy the folks on their support line although nice are extremely ignorant regarding the workings of windows 3 1 after my experience with the installation of the sb 16 i learned some of the function of windows dll files before sending back desktop animator decided to do some fooling around with the different versions of dll files i had i had 2 versions of cpalette dll one dated 8 92 and 100k the other dated 1 93 and smaller the 1 93 smaller version was the one supplied with desktop animator i moved the bigger older version of cpalette dll to a directory outside my path for some reason i had the older cpalette dll in my windows directory and the newer cpallette in my windows system directory when i did this the animators editor loaded and so did 2 other of the applications in the package the main application still didnt load does anyone have any ideas as to why this would occur or any further suggestions for trouble shooting darla portal darla shell portal com darla cup portal com aol kuby2u aol com darlaiam aol com wix darla genie kuby l jj jj baseball re harry caray in article 34592 oasys dt navy mil odell oasys dt navy mil bernard ofarmer by thedell writes being an old time cardinal fan now relocated to the nva area i can recall that harry was not at all popular with old man busch who as i understand it fired him and kicked him out of st louis i am not quite sure of the reasons but the old man was certainly not enraptured by ole harry but maybe his wife was i dont claim to know whether its true or not but a couple different people totally unrelated have said harry was relieved of his duties because he had more than platonic relations with augie buschs wife judgement is left to the individual cuz i sure dont claim to be an impeachable source in this case dave hung like a jim acker slider kirsch blue jays do it again in 93 kirsch staff tc umn edu new quotes out of context not to beat a dead horse but its been a couple o weeks this disappoints me punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence windows re why im not using dos 6 anymore in article 1993apr28 141743 28994 ugle unit no eliza tigern elisabeth bull writes from eliza tigern elisabeth bull subject re why im not using dos 6 anymore date wed 28 apr 93 14 17 43 gmt mark woodruff cda90038 ucf1vm bitnet wrote this morning at 4 am while i was working on my research paper i had to reboot a hung dos program that did no disk i o from within windows 3 1 when my machine finished rebooting i found my windows directory and about two thirds of my other directories were irreversibly corrupted stuff deleted this sounds like what happened to my hd a month ago my hd was stacked with stacker v 2 0 i run dos5 suddenly everything hung up and most of the hd got corrupted directories changed into unreadable files with funny names in other words it is probably just the doubledisk part of dos6 that is troublesome i now use stacker v 3 0 and so far i have had no trouble does this need to have anything to do with disk compression i have experienced the same thing a couple of times myself but without any disk compression stuff installed for example guess what happened when norton speeddisk once crashed during defragmenting bjorn bjorn myrland bjorn myrland sipaa sintef no sintef safety and reliability n 7034 trondheim norway sintef the foundation for scientific and industrial research at the norwegian institute of technology medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr15 173902 66278 cc usu edu slyx0 cc usu edu writes surprise surprise different people react differently to different things one slightly off the subject case in point my brother got stung by a bee i know he is allergic to bee stings but that his reaction is severe localized swelling not anaphylactic shock i could not convince the doctors of that however because thats not written in their little rule book of course bee venom isnt a single chemical could be your brother is reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock in other people similarly chinese food isnt just msg there are a lot of other ingredients in it why when someone eats something with lots of ingredients they dont normally consume one of which happens to be msg do they immediately conclude that any negative reaction is to the msg i would not be surprised in the least to find out the some people have bad reactions to msg including headaches stomachaches and even vomiting id be surprised if some of these reactions werent due to other ingredients carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey i understand vaxen and vms thats what i get paid for my understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level or below so unless what im saying is directly related to vax vms dont hold me or my organization responsible for it if it is related to vax vms you can try to hold me responsible for it but my organization had nothing to do with it baseball re best second baseman thf2 ellis uchicago edu ted frank writes in article 1993mar29 044248 16010 sarah albany edu js8484 albnyvms bitnet writes personally i think that alomar is all hype he is producing incredibly now but in the long run he will never put up the numbers that sandberg has for this moment alomar may be the best but overall sandberg wins out by a long shot when sandberg was alomars age he was putting up 261 seasons with no power alomars 1992 oba is 25 points higher than sandbergs career high alomars career high in doubles and triples is higher than sandbergs sandberg is still better than alomar but only because alomar hasnt reached his full potential yet alomars got a 2 5 year headstart on sandberg he has 862 hits sandberg didnt have 862 hits until he was 26 and is likely to put up better career numbers than sandberg in everything except home runs hell pass sandberg in stolen bases sometime in 1995 sandberg is not particulary known for his stolen bases what competition did alomar have sandberg came in a year after ripken and the same year as boggs gwynn and the other magicians so less attention was given to sandberg alomar is the only one in his class to be worth a mediocre besides the numbers dont count national league pitchers are much better pitchers larry on someone elses account mark horan horan cse unl edu ianr053 unlvm cars re saturn extended warranty in article 93113 123459u59985 uicvm uic edu u59985 uicvm uic edu writes i agree with gaia even though the saturn has proved to be a very reliable car so far a little money spent now is worth the peace of mind this is an interesting point some people are not really buying the coverage they are buying peace of mind marketing folks love selling that i suggest that people choose to not engage their minds in peaceless worry rather than buying that peace of mind in my opinion getting the powertrain warranty is enough in my case thats be cause anything that needed repairing in the interior sunroof windows doors etc i could do myself i just didnt want to mess with the engine and such youd be surprised how much the little knick knack stuff can cost what if your a c goes out steering rack dont get me wrong im against all extended warranties they are a ripoff plus i think the extra 3 years of 24 hour roadside assistance must be worthe so meting i opted for the 5 year plan for 375 extra 3 yrs you realize the first 3yr 36k is free warranty that comes with the car thomas guns re guns in backcountry no thanks in article 1qkcok s9i usenet ins cwru edu ci946 cleveland freenet edu john k gever writes does anybody reading this group have an actual honest to god experience with violent crime in the backcountry to tell about it was around 1969 in the shenandoah valley near woodstock virginia me my wife a friend his wife and his 2 kids were hiking in a totally desolate mountain area all of a sudden large rocks began raining down on us looking up we saw at least 3 punks gleefully letting loose rocks from what was an obvious stash they were a couple hundred feet above us meanwhile the women and kids were screaming and running for cover and the punks were shrieking with laughter me and my friend yelled for them to knock it off they responded that we should get f ed me and my friend drew our pistols and fired a couple of times into the trees above their heads they ran with no more 3 5 pound rocks coming at our heads we proceeded on our journey sorry but me and my friend saw no need to let it evolve to a more violent level than we were already experiencing i guess we should have tried harder to understand and cope with the anger that society had instilled in them and was driving them to do such things guess thats a cross ill have to bear brad religion no news is bad news im having trouble receiving news at the moment due to an overloaded news server i think that i can post out reasonably quickly though im in a couple of threads at the moment which may be pending replies if anyone wants a reply from me over something ive posted then i suggest sending an e mail copy of the point to me so that i can reply by news this is one way to shut me up cheers david on religion oh where is the sea the fishes cried as they swam its clearness through windows re ndw norton desktop for windows in article 1993apr17 130528 2773 leland stanford edu shiva leland stanford edu matt jacobson writes i have an ibm and run windows 3 1 a friend installed norton desktop for windows on top of this it loads automatically when i type win and surely adds to the already dismally slow process of starting up i would like to know how to stop or uninstall this program is there anyone familiar with ndw who can tell me how to turn it off 1 get the friend to uninstall it 2 read the manual though from your post i infer that you are using pirated software 3 go into sys ini and change the shell line to read shell progman exe daniel david mittleman danny arizona edu 602 621 2932 guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in a previous article jdurbin nl oracle com jason durbin says if even half the speculations of conspiracy made about this are true then i would expect that you people should be calling for the atf fbi texas rangers congress and all branches of the us government to be immediately and completey disbanded no exceptions jeez do you people really beleive all this crap do you also beleive in the zionist occupation government and the tooth fairy i leave the anti semitism to anti gun types like holly silva i have in fact been calling for the disbanding of the batf for quite some time it is an outlaw agency run by incompetants who only have contempt for the laws which they supposedly enforce admittedly mistakes were made but why attribute them to malice rather than stupidity i attribute the acts of the fbi to stupidity i attribute the acts of the batf to malice so did senator dennis deconcini when he held hearings about their misconduct if you were smarter youd have these opinions baseball re how does a pitcher get a save in article 1993apr23 135139 18749 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902060 ariel yorku ca geoffrey e dias writes the subject line says it all what is the rule that qualifies a pitcher as making a save imho this is the most untrustworthy silly stat by todays rules in all of baseball my understanding is to qualify as a save a pitcher cannot pitch more than three innings and the potential tying run must at least appear in the on deck circle also the lead a pitcher enters with cannot excede three runs i believe that the official scorers must assert more of their authority in determining winners savers etc for instance a pitcher can come in in the ninth with a lead blow the lead fall behind have his team come back in the next half inning and earn the win has this pitcher earned a win no way i guy could pitch five strong innings of middle relief and see his teammates rally to tie the score assume he came in to start the fourth and left after the eighth his teammate holds the opposition scoreless in the ninth and they score a run in the bottom of the ninth to win the third pitcher earns the win and the middle reliever gets no stat satisfaction mike i bleed the blue of dodgers and even like lasorda spaghetti sauce baseball re bob knepper was damn right in article 1993apr19 035406 11473 news yale edu austin jacobs writes dont you guys think so i mean cmon what the heck are women doing even thinking of getting into baseball they cause so many problems just look at lisa olson remember that feisty reporter that entered the new england patriots locker room she started crying like a little girl i just dont think women belong in a mans sport before you smart guys flame me for this i know the given example was about football who cares it still applies to other male sports how can we have women umpires jeez look at pam postema just because shes a woman everybody on the face of the earth thinks its great that shes getting an opportunity to ump if you even watched the games and had an iq greater than that of roast beef youd see that she is not nearly as good as most aaa umpires besides she is probably more worried about cracking a fingernail with a foul tip off of wade boggs bat or jose oquendos bat either way there are too many complications austin jacobs bob knepper fan club member 12 someone tell me theres a hidden here somewhere david rex wood davewood cs colorado edu university of colorado at boulder religion re that kill by sword must be killed by sword in article 20apr199306173611 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu stephen writes in article sandvik 190493201048 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes so are you happy now when 70 people including innocent kids died today its amazing how everyone automatically blames one side or the other one thing for sure koresh will have no chance to defend himself against the statements lacking in fact or court sponsored verification made by agents who participated in the situation that killed him i dont know they murdered him i also dont know that the branch davidians set a fire and suicidede it is sick of batf or fbi spokepeople to make such comments in advance of forensic pathology stephen thank you god speed no kinda numb i thought something like this was going to happen over a week ago one of the things thats been obvious from the yah start is that when there are two armed camps neither of which yields its usually get slaughtered when any little spark sets it off which is why koresh and company shouldnt have stockpiled weapons and why the batf shouldnt have come primed for a raid bingo am i the only one to notice a no peaceful attempt to serve a warrant b six months to develop a scene and six days to end it c ah god 25 children at least 64 adults plus 6 at the beginning and more batf agents all dead painful point 1 if the davidians fired first why were the batf on the roof rather than taking cover has anyone asked themselves these questions 1 have you seen the entire video sequences taken during the opening rounds i seem to recall missing several key parts a the first five minutes of day one only the shooting part comes out b what happened to the feds video units you mean they do not carry helmet cams wonder why not 2 how is it you can have camera crews with live transmission video present and not have an uninterrupted record a you realize the units carry ittle bitty 8mm backups that hold 90 minutes per unit and there are twounits on the professional handhelds so no tape turnover gaps b until all views are seen it is premature to point fingers in either direction as you well point out stephen anyone batf bd x bd other could have touched it off by mistake or maliciously more on this below once koresh was shot disregarding his being a religious leader and apocalyptically obsessed most likely the people inside just went on drill just like the batf outside is the lesson that automatic responses are very hazardous last resort measures yes but it is so hard toremain human under the full pressure of hazard game playing and life painful point 2 either side could have backed off to help defuse the situation we see the problem constantly here on the net with flaming ego problems nuff said more to the point when someone dies almost like it was intended that way both sides will kill to maintain their innocence a contradiction in terms painful point 3 it doesnt help to take sides in such a situation just adds fuel to the fire better is to let it burn out on its own true usually i pick the unpopular side and point out from the evidence seen what might have alternatively happened best example i can think of is christ with the tax coin he didnt have one and so didnt sanction the roman authority unduly when they showed it to him he noted that it was caesars minting and so said give it to him no waste of time and then he got back to more worthwhile concerns gods will this requires someone interested in gods will please note that the outstanding overt problem in this country today is one where the government wants caesars coin to pay off the debt the anti tax movement of today and the anti ssan as i d groups would do well to note who the issuing authority is ditto for those yes the american people not the federal government and if it is not spent towards that end no one deserves the coin made in the image of god yah fewpeople hear the contradiction money made in the image of god no need to stir things up in ever larger revo revo revolution as governments turn over and over and over i wish you were wrong many pundits are saying 3 years the onyl good thing to come out of my divorce and my exposure to the damned pardon me american divorce attorney is i have no money left to lose to taxes or inflation painful point 4 for many this was just entertainment thumbs up thumbs down just another thriller like terminator 2 or a good old ball game is the lesson that weve become jaded to media reality 25 children dead if anyone thinks blaming koresh or the batf helps this any at all is sick and wrong the reason you can tell that the batf may not be entirely straight on this is that the leaders at press conferences havew made any comments about even the possibility that koresh or his followers caused this the batf agentss are more concerned with their repuations and morals not my fault koresh did it than they are with 25 dead children same goes for koresh his followers who are all mostly dead painful point 5 la burned the davidians burned in one case society has abandoned the people which has returned to a frontier in the other the outskirts were bumping against the suburbs is the lesson that whats lawful in different areas of society depends more on conditions than laws more on power and favoritism my personal opinion look to history whenever privilege has replaced whatever token of objective law and justice a society has had hitlerrs have followed if we dont learn the lessons or at least make an honest effort the next conflagration will no doubt be closer to home rather than putting out fires arent there much more important concerns for us to work on you do your name sake proud stephen its hard but please keep on keeping on each voice in the wilderness now will save a generation unborn from horror kent who cant cheers today exactly what keeps me from being a bomb thrower is my loving god as irra tional as that is for so many one direct benefit is being able to keep things in perspective ks the day i need a gun or abomb to protect myself in this society is the day that society is already beyond redemption and that aint redundant if you have any christian belief aytall and the day that i cannot peacefully enjoin others in the act that thoreau called civil disobedience to rectify the wrongs that my society practises without undue harm or punishment befalling me is the day that society has ceased to be a human society and become a society of animals we are very cclose to that such as who hurts more the ones who died or the loved ones who are left besides the lessons its also time for many to grieve including those whove lost their faith in others or in god im learning to be patient and let things heal god willing six years fighting an unjust court issue still struggling to be patient for those who like contrary questions nb i was not there i am not a branch davidian nor a law official hater i do hate liars or the six letter variety of same the official side has its advocates already lets balance the equation and asj a few questions on the other side for the sake of an old saw the batf abd fbi seem to want to bypass innocent until proven guilty not innocent until presumed guilty 1 where are the video tapes from the tanks all of them dont tell me they do not exist they are standard equipment 2 so you think koresh fired the place because of the explosion a tear gas comes with an aerosol to spread it this aerosol is deliberately made to be as non flammable as possible it is as non flammable as possible gotcha when in isolation from other substances why was a pipe deliveryu system used rather than remote launchers why did the fbi not announce this window blown in plus tear gas five minutes then the wall come down and maintain a left to right sequence b most aerosols also have a secondary compound that when mixed in becomes a very flammable and difficult to trace suspension with a very special property exposure to brief eruptions of high heat muzzle blasts or long exposure to low heat matches a stove will not tend to ignite what other chemicals come up in the forensics who else will be allowed to test the site c after a few minutes to hours ifdesired the combnation rate can be controlled as desired the mixture can be made to become veryignitable onb exposure to a temperature above a certain point a tracer round for a certain heat quantity a small explosive charge or for a length of time start a wall fire and wait check your military records look at the tapes why were tanks large capacity delivey systems tear gas why not somnorifics and now why the hurry was there still a comm channel open to the outside do you see any trace of fire coming back to the compound in the videos all the videos which ones are missing do i sound paranoid maybe am i probably not you trust the fbi and batf to render judgement in advance of a court god help us for we are surely not helping ourselves you trut the federal gevernment to give us a clean slate you are 4 3 trillion admitted down and counting look again did it happen that way i do not know i was not there and it should wait for a court to decide but will that happen 89 people will not have the chance to tell their side as the batf leader was on camera no one wins except more force next time listen to your hearts people thanx again stephen j stephen roy andrew crabtree roy red haired king andrew the virtuous one crabtree iron workers baseball re game length was re braves update ecaxron ariel lerc nasa gov ron graham writes i hesitate to make assumptions about other people when they write but neither of you two sound as though you have kids and you may not have spouses either i wonder why you say that i dont see why having a spouse and or kids would have anything to do with it it might if you brought your kids to the game and wanted them to get home in time to get to bed at a reasonable hour in which case id probably decide to take my kids to games on weekends as many people do or else be prepared to leave the game early but from what you say later on you dont bring your kids or your spouse to the game as it happens i have a husband but no kids and my husband usually attends games with me extra innings could put me well past midnight even without extra innings if the score is beyond 2 1 i cant see my family that night at all if the next day is a workday i may have to bag that as well i can see its a problem if you dont bring your wife to the ballgame but thats a problem even if the game goes a trim 2 1 2 hours as far as bagging work the next day i dont really understand why thats necessary unless going to a game also means that you consume vast quantities of beer i note that this is the case for many guys if you dont think you can get up to go to work after a long evening out then dont have long evenings out during the week all that stuff enters into my consideration of even going to a game if you say you dont care about whether the game is sped up impo you are saying you dont care where the time goes and that the game is for people who dont have families and dont have to get up for work the next day look if i pay between 8 00 and 20 00 apiece for tickets plus 10 00 for parking plus spending my time and energy driving to and from boston plus spending additional money on concessions etc at the ballpark then i see going to a game as a considerable investment of time and money i cant afford to go to a lot of games hence going to a game is a big deal like going to a play or an opera maybe you have more money than i do and can go to games all year long so its not such a big deal for you but im not interested in having games sped up any more than i want to have die walkure cut down to a convenient weeknight version of two hours if i felt that going to a night game during the week would interfere with my family life or my work life then id choose to go to a weekend game impo heather hhenderson vax clarku edu religion re a kind and loving god in article 1993apr24 165727 8899 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote in article sandvik 210493230542 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes it seems faith is the only tool available for emotional purposes due to the tragedy as such it maybe fills a need however im getting tired to see children dying in pain in sudan due to lack of food and assuming that god takes these sufferers to heaven after a painful death if the children are not being fed whose fault is that you and i have plenty of food on our tables while others starve why is that god gave us this earth to manage i dont think were doing a very good job of it the only consolation i have for those suffering children is that they will be received into the kingdom of heaven where they will never thirst and never hunger again i agree with your points and im glad to hear that you subscribe to the notion of secular humanism humans helping humans instead of hoping for a possible deux ex machina solution as for faith you could always use such constructs to dampen your anger or sorrow cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net medicine re help me inject the best way of self injection is to use the right size needle and choose the correct spot for streptomycin usually given intra muscularly use a thin needle 23 24 guage and select a spot on the upper outer thigh no major nerves or blood vessels there clean the area with antiseptic before injection and after make sure to inject deeply a different kind of pain is felt when the needle enters the muscle contrasted to the prick when it pierces the skin ps try to go to a doctor self treatment and self injection should be avoided as far as possible medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr26 204319 11231 ultb isc rit edu eas3714 ultb isc rit edu e a story writes in article 1rgrsvinnmpr gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu writes it involves taking photographs of corona discharges created by attaching the subject to a high voltage source not of some aura it works equally well with inanimate objects true but what about showing the missing part of a leaf is this corona discharge this effect disappears if you clean your apparatus after you kirlianed the whole leaf and before kirlianing the leaf part thomas kettenring 3 dan kaiserslautern germany the extraterrestrials dont even know this planet has native inhabitants their government doesnt tell them medicine re choleric and the great nt nf semantic war also remember that most people map the sanguine choleric melencholic phlegmatic division onto the extraversion and neuroticism dimensions like eysenck and that the mbti does not deal with neuroticism costa mccrae frank fujita baseball re twins update 4 22 in article 1993apr23 151050 8995 sctc com macomber sctc com chuck macomber writes wednesdays game marked the first opposing left handed starting pitcher for the twins this year rickey bones nice post chuck but you made just one mistake bones is a right handed pitcher however hrbeks grand slam came off graehme lloyd a lefty salty religion re merlin mithras and magick in article ss 113 apmaths uwo ca ss apmaths uwo ca sultan sial says in article 93111 195217a54si cunyvm bitnet a54si cunyvm bitnet writes stuff about mithras deleted oh his b day was 25 dec ahem i thought that saturnalia was celebrated by the romans at that time was mithras connected with this rome was under attack by barbarians they sent for advice to some oracle and she said worship cybele and youll be saved they did they were cybele was the quintessential wiccan goddess there was her and her son lover attis yucky idea if you ask me ok the book says she was phrygian from the neolithic matriarchal society catal huyuk turkey worshipped 1st as black stone that kaaba in mecca ring a bell maybe carried to rome in 205bc to save them from hannibal it gets more interesting romans called her great mother magna mater could be the reason why so many of those mary statues in europe are black prob is connected to that kaaba theyve got in mecca 3rd cent ad she was supreme goddess in lyons france attis was castrated and formed into a pine tree she should be worshiped on 25 mar in rome it was an ecstatic cult her priests wore drag worked themselves up in dance and castrated themselves in order to initiate to her lived their lives as women they wore make up and jewelry and the whole bit wow only other such primitive transsexualism i know of goes on in india where else where they do that castration thing under some meditation maybe i forget by now theres a book on that of course that excepts that weird russian romanian 18th cent xian cult that did all kinds of self castration too i forget their name charles hope a54si cunyvm a54si cunyvm cuny edu government by reporters media ocracy baseball kansas city e mail contact would the person who is running the e mail list for kansas city royals please e mail details regarding mailing list if you on the list and know the info please send me info as well please e mail as i dont have time always to read this group john john carson mindlink bc ca d john carson j h concepts 604 589 5118 medicine re my new diet it works great in article 1r3ks8innica lynx unm edu bhjelle carina unm edu writes in article 1993apr21 091844 4035 omen uucp caf omen uucp chuck forsberg wa7kgx writes in article 19687 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back the lost weight does not constitute weight rebound until it exceeds the starting weight or is this oral tradition that is shared only among you obesity researchers not one but two obesity in europe 88 proceedings of the 1st european congress on obesity annals of ny acad sci 1987 hmmm these dont look like references to me is passive aggressive behavior associated with weight rebound brian i purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to study the volumes mentioned and benefit therefrom chuck forsberg wa7kgx tektronix reed omen caf author of ymodem zmodem professional yam zcomm and dsz omen technology inc the high reliability software 17505 v nw sauvie is rd portland or 97231 503 621 3406 cars re choice of gauges dmunroe vcd hp com dave gauge writes b b i can think of a few others but what are your ideas and why dave well in my bmw i like the little light that turns on when you are running out of gas its a big help if you got a turbo that gauge is a must if i could id just like all the gauges possible on my car but we cant have everything can we baseball re john wetteland derek lilliquist info please i was wondering if anyone knew if john wetteland was put on the dl again after his first 15 day period was up i read in the usa today sports section that he is on for surgery to repair broken toe and was wondering if that was new i thought he was just letting it heal as of todays usa today 4 23 john wetteland should come off of the dl tonight and possibly pitch in the series this weekend i forget who they play another question is derek lilliquist the main closer for the indians now that olin is gone i need to know cause i need to find a reliever to replace wetteland and so far lilliquist is doing ok any information on either of the players would be greatly appreciated thank you for your time derek lilliquist is probably going to be the main closer but it will be kind of a bullpen by committee also charles james if you dont care where youre going lehigh university then you aint lost cej0 lehigh edu anonymous person in csc 252 baseball re braves update in article 13586 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes 1 since time immemorial batters have complained about calls so have pitchers and catchers however batters didnt use to go for strolls after bad calls to the degree they do now unless the league notified teams this year about not allowing complaints hirschbeck was acting against expectations everyone was told of the new emphasis on speeding up games the rule that hirschbeck invoked has been in the books a long time 2 its not as if gant was in hirschbecks face nobody including hirschbeck ever said he was when gant turned away hirschbeck immediately motioned for gant to step into the box imo at this point in time hirschbeck was determined to show gant exactly who was in charge of this game gant wasnt dawdling he hadnt had a chance to dawdle and hirschbeck was simply exercising a power play thats your perhaps colored by your partisanship of the braves perception hirschbecks view was that gant was heading off for a long walk and in accordance with his instructions concerning speeding games up directed him into the batters box gant resisted as many of us might to what we thought was an unreasonable request and hirschbeck called for the pitch the point is based on the rulebook and the umpires instructions it was not an unreasonable request the braves were already upset imo any game where you remember the name of the umpire was a bad game for the umpire had gant done as instructed you wouldnt have remembered the name of the umpire sherri nichols snichols adobe com medicine re seek sedative information in article c5ubrn f0u fig citib com ghica fig citib com renato ghica writes has any one heard of a sedative called rhoepnol made by larouche i believe any info as to side effects or equivalent tranquillizers you probably mean rohypnol a member of the benzodiazepine family chemical name is flunitrazepam it is such a strong tranquilizer that it is probably best refered to as a hypnotic rather than a tranquilizer just one pill will knock you on your ass side effects may be similar to valium xanax serax librium and other benzodiazepines neal howard 91 xlh 1200 dod 686 computrac inc richardson tx doh 0000001200 355o33 neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaimer my opinions are mine not computracs let us learn to dream gentlemen and then perhaps we shall learn the truth august kekule 1890 guns re batf acronym b urn a ll t he f uckers baseball re bonilla in article mjones 735273896 fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes quick name a light hitting black outfielder or 1b who lasted 10 years in the bigs i bet you can name two dozen white ones otis nixon stole 300 bases ok hes still light hitting but baseball managers dont think so they think he like omar moreno before him is a perfect leadoff man awesome defense darnell coles hes still around because of his 1986 when he hit 20 hr henry cotto hasnt played 10 years in the bigs wasnt a full time major leaguer until 1988 manny mota consistent 300 hitter billy hatcher well see if hes still around in 1994 for his tenth year herm winningham same goes for herm lonnie smith not light hitting but a horror in the field doesnt count then gary redus redus is hardly light hitting plus he stole 300 bases close to 800 ops career against lhp dion james well see if hes still around in 1995 to qualify daryl boston slugged 416 to 440 for three straight years in one of the worst hitters parks in the nl hes going to be one of colorados better players this year plus to make ten you have to count all the time he spent in denver and buffalo and hawaii while with the white sox vince coleman yeah hes finally started to have a decent obp coleman assuming he makes it to 1994 was never perceived as being weak offensively though of course he was led nl in sb his first six years in the majors cecil espy well see if hes still around in 1997 willie wilson wilson has always been overrated but hit 300 five times in a six year stretch and led the league in triples five times but we can count him if hes still playing in 1994 though itll be because hes otis nixon deluxe with slightly worse defense gary pettis okay if hes in the league this year he can count though hes also in the majors because of otis nixon syndrome milt thompson hes not spectacular but hes neither light hitting nor a ten year man gary varsho halfway there and unlikely to make it 3 4 of the way there ok i admit to taking a quick browse through the major league handbook but only after the first 7 or 8 oh and theres the all time light hitting black outfielder lou brock look it up and curt flood cesar geronimo cesar cedeno brock suffered from otis nixon disease but he wasnt perceived as light hitting neither was curt flood cesar cedeno was not light hitting note these guys may not have reached 10 years yet but theyve got to be close likewise for my list oh and a prediction milt cuyler hell have to steal a lot more bases ted frank thf2 kimbark uchicago edu im sorry the card says moops the u of c law school standard disclaimers guns re constitutionality of 18 u s c 922 o in article 1qksp9 l39 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1993apr15 142322 1318 atlastele com brians atlastele com brian sheets writes and has no rights under the federal constitution so what i dont understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on an individual so someone tell me how my government can tell me what i can or cannot possess just passing a law does not make it law sorry but i really cant figure out what youre trying to say above i guess what i am really asking like i did above how does my government who is my servent tell me the soveriegn what i can or cannot possess it would seem to me that the act of possessing a machine gun is no less criminal by definition than the act of possessing a television set i also would seem to me that it would be better to pass laws that say that if i harm or kill someone with the machine gun or the television set that there would be specific penalties for doing such everyone knows that laws are constitional until it goes to court sorry i was close not exactly no on is bound to obey an uncontitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it 16 am jur 2d sec 177 late 2d sec 256 brian sheets truck what truck support engineer o o atlas telecom inc raiders of the lost ark brians atlastele com u baseball re yakult swallows japanese pro baseball team tuesdays game of beloved yakult swallows at jingu 36 000 hanshin tigers 001 000 100 2 beloved yakult 050 020 00x 7 w ito 1 0 l nakagomi 0 1 hr yakult arai 1st central league standing w l t pct gb hiroshima carp 7 1 0 875 chunichi dragons 6 3 0 667 1 5 hanshin tigers 5 4 0 667 2 5 hated giants 4 4 0 500 3 0 beloved swallows 3 6 0 333 4 5 yokohama baystars 1 8 0 111 6 5 hiroshi yajima e mail yajima nttcom ntt jp ntt network information systems laboratories 9 11 midori cho 3 chome musashino shi tokyo 180 japan tel 81 422 59 4256 fax 81 422 59 4254 cars re mercury villager minivan good buy in article 1r7cr2innvar sumax seattleu edu smorris sumax seattleu edu steven a morris writes the villager quest seem like the best of the cravan voyager copies to come along since the mazda mpv the nissan maxima engine paired with the maxima 4 speed auto trans should be an excellent drive train and the rest of the vehicle seems well engineered only the price is controversial hmm the last time i checked villager quest does not have a maxima engine and is very much under powered for its weight windows re hhy wont my dos apps run in a window in article 735417915snz sigma demon co uk jason sigma demon co uk writes can somebody help me out there i have just purchased win 3 1 and i just cant get dos apps text mode apps to run in a window on their own ive tried mucking around with the pif settings etc but to no avail what am i doing wrong i didnt get this problem under v3 0 are you sure youre running in 386 enhanced mode windows 3 1 takes more memory baseball rustys religion as i recall from kieth hernandez autobiography rusty is a devout roman catholic kieth and rusty would carpool to shea everyday but sunday when rusty would go to mass sc cars jeep laredo experiences i have been looking at buying a 1989 jeep laredo and was wondering if anyone had any bad or good experiences with this model is it all that much different than the other yjs it looks feels and sounds like a nice vehicle even thought the price is rather steep for an 89 12k canadian don bnr ca medicine hernia a bit more than a year ago a hernia in my right groin was discovered it had produced a dull pain in that area the hernia was repaired using the least intrusive orthoscopic method and a plug and patch the doctor considered the procedure a success a few months later the same pain returned the doctor said that he could find nothing wrong in the area of the hernia repair now the pain occurs more often my gp couldnt identify any specific problem the surgen who performed the original procedure now says that yes there is a new hernia in the same area and he said that he has to cut into the area for the repair this time my question to the net is there a nonintrusive method to determine if in fact there is a hernia or if the pain is from something else steve heffner guns re hr 1276 a gun law i can live with in article 1993apr15 171601 25930 dg rtp dg com meyers leonardo rtp dg com bill meyers me writes a bill to establish the right to obtain firearms for security and to use firearms in defense of self family or home and to provide for the enforcement of such right in response to which in article 1qkeo9 drg eagle natinst com chrisb natinst com chris bartz writes so you have the right unless the federal government says you dont i dont think i like this very much and in article 1qkshq l39 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes maybe im too religious but when i see a bill to establish a right i wince keep in mind what the law giveth the law can taketh away and in article 1ql3aiinn41c gap caltech edu arc cco caltech edu aaron ray clement s writes right mentioned in the bill is already established under the second amendment the bill should be reworded to reaffirm the second amendment hey guys youre absolutely correct and well on the way to winning this battle and losing the war yes there are serious philosophical flaws in hr 1276 technical ones too howd you like to sue the feds lose and have to pay their reasonable attorneys fee still i have one basic question compared to what weve got is hr 1276 a better or b worse this one shouldnt even take you three guesses if theres a good enough show of support for hr 1276 maybe for a change we could be the ones saying its a reasonable first step the 2nd amendment is about sovereignty not duck hunting guns re is it really apples to apples lawful vs unlawful use of guns in article 1993apr16 092618 22936 husc3 harvard edu kim39 scws8 harvard edu john kim writes i have been convinced of the right of americans to an effective self defense but something strikes me as odd among the pro rkba arguments presented here the numbers comparing hundreds of thousands indeed even a million of instances of law abiding citizens deterring criminal activity seem valid to me likewise the number of gun caused homicides each year about 11 000 year however it is surprising that the evil antigun empire darth vader breathing sound effect here never tries to compare all legitimate gun defenses vs all gun crimes instead its always all legitimate gun defenses which includes cases in which the criminals are shot but not killed and cases in which the criminal is not here vs just criminal gun homicides which only includes case sin which the victim died why is this of course it wouldnt be unreasonable to say that in each crime already measured involving guns the consequnces are already known and it is safe to assume that a gun based bank robbery last week will not suddenly turn into a gun basd robbery homicide whereas in the legitimate gun defenses one may assume that all those criminals who were deterred would have committed more crime or more serious crimes had they not been deterred i think its an attempt to show lives saved v lives lost all other gun related crimes dont result in lives lost on the other hand its impossible to know how many of the successful self defenses prevented lives from being lost in other words the lives lost is pretty clear its the homicide and non negligent manslaughter number while the lives saved is some percentage of the successful self defenses clearly that percentage doesnt have to be real high to show that lives saved lives lost as a semi related point check out klecks point blank i believe it goes into some related areas it also is well written and informative case kim kim39 husc harvard edu michael phelps external mjp vnet ibm com internal mjp bwa kgn ibm com mjp at kgnvmy and last but not least a disclaimer these opinions are mine windows newsgroup archive is this newsgroup archived anywhere beyond the normal expiration dates say for the last 6 months or more thanks tom paladin world std com windows re can i change licensed to data in windows 3 1 write over the licensed to but you cant change the name underneth it i think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate and were not going to promote that here not so my computer was supplied with my name in an interesting mix of upper and lower case and my workplace mis typed im getting fed up with being cmyearsley at keel unversity it took me 20 phone calls to the supplier to get the computer working at all i really cant face tackling them again chris guns re my gun is like my in article 1993apr16 194708 13273 vax oxford ac uk jaj vax oxford ac uk writes what all you turkey pro pistol and automatic weapons fanatics dont seem to realize is that the rest of us laugh at you you dont make me angry you just make me chuckle i remeber being in bellingham washington and seeing a warning flammage to follow ah that british sense of humor probably got a real gut buster going when the ira blew that kid up a couple of weeks ago huh of course in britain your government has ordered you defenseless so your way of coping with violent criminals is to laugh at victims pick up truck in front of the car that my friend and i were in it had a bumper sticker proclaiming gun control is a firm grip on a 45 now im sure that that wanker thought he was pretty cool i dont know about a 45 my own preference is for 9mm what he didnt realize was that we took a photo of the back of his truck and showed it to our friends when we got back to vancouver canada where im from originally people were guffawing at the basic stupidity of such a sticker and the even greater stupidity of the person who put it there in the first place ah canada where the criminals dont bother with checking to see if the victims are home they just break on in americas a little different you see criminals worry a bit more about getting shot so they more frequently check to see if anyones home i knew somebody else who went to one of your gun mart superstore places just so he could experience the sight of people putting guns and ammo into shopping carts i didnt believe it myself until i drove by one in vegas last year ive heard gun world in phoenix arizona is fantastic im hoping to visit there myself soon now that i live in britain i can see how the rest of the civilized world perceives you gun nut morons the bbc recently referred to the american penchant for pistols automatic weapons etc very appropriately it was called a national eccentricity ah britain again isnt that the place where youre guilty until proven innocent tell me mr jaj vax oxford ac uk didnt britain come begging to us gun nut morons in the early 1940s for guns to defend yourselves against hitler seems as though your supposedly enlightened government had disarmed you aw chaps you can jolly give up your guns if that hitler man starts to threaten we can always hit up the yanks for a few guns theyve got a bloody eccentric habit about those guns you know just hand in your shotgun thats it thank you the only problem is that canada i hear is suffering from your national eccentricity in that easy to purchase weapons are being smuggled cross the border aint it just amazing how those black markets work damn if those drugs from south america keep coming over our borders too even though weve banned them guess we might as well legalize them makes you want to send fifty bucks to the libertarian party just thinking about it doesnt it anyway all you gun nut rush limbaugh fans please keep up your diatribes against brady and other evil liberal media plots you re so damn funny you provide endless amounts of entertainment in your arguments and examples of why someone should be allowed to carry a piece keep us all chuckling your close minded ignorance is without parallel i guess thats what happens when youre raised as a subject without rights your type gravitates to those who desire to hold power over you hell i miss those nra ads with gerald mcrainey now that im over here those were like monty python sketches just chuckle as the cops beat you senseless to get a confession just laugh yourself silly when you find that confession is valid in court hey mate this is justice british style drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho when you outlaw rights only outlaws will have rights spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrection nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia mi5 mi6 kgb deuterium baseball re tigers as in article 1993apr14 185317 12231 sbcs sunysb edu wynblatt sbgrad5 cs sunysb edu michael wynblatt writes weird thing leading 20 4 going into the top of the ninth sparky used his ace closer henneman the tigers have 8 relievers and at least 6 were rested available does sparky trust them that little i think he just wanted to get henneman some work because the tigers had days off both the day before and the day after jim baseball re baseball spreads in article 1993apr18 225909 16116 colorado edu davewood bruno cs colorado edu david rex wood writes how does one read the betting spreads for baseball they tend to be something like 8 9 which means it must not be runs that spread means you bet 5 on the underdog to win 8 or 9 on the favorite to win 5 charles windows rfd comp os ms windows nt misc setup this is the official request for discussion rfd for the creation of two new newsgroups for microsoft windows nt this is a second rfd replacing the one originally posted in january 93 and never taken to a vote the proposed groups are described below name comp os ms windows nt setup status unmoderated purpose discussions about setting up and installing windows nt and about system and peripheral compatability issues for windows nt name comp os ms windows nt misc status unmoderated purpose miscellaneous non programming discussions about using windows nt including issues such as security networking features console mode and windows 3 1 win16 compatability rationale microsoft nt is the newest member of the microsoft windows family of operating systems or operating environments for those who wish to argue about the meaning of an os the family ranges from modular windows through windows 3 1 and windows for workgroups to windows nt at the high end to date microsoft has shipped over 50 000 beta copies and pre release sdks of windows nt the actual release is slated for may june 93 while windows nt has an entirely new design internally it shares an application programming interface with the other members of the windows family its win32 api includes the win16 api used in win dows 3 1 and the win32s api subset win32 less threads networking and security can be used to create 32 bit applications for windows 3 1 the user interface is also practically identical to that of windows 3 1 with the addition of logins and a few other features it uses program manager file manager and other applets and generally pre sents an identical appearance to the user many of the announced windows nt applications are ports of existing windows 3 1 apps and nt also runs existing 3 1 applications thus it appears logical that windows nt should share the following groups with the other members of the windows family comp os ms windows apps comp os ms windows programmer tools comp os ms windows programmer misc comp os ms windows programmer win32 the following groups are also clearly applicable to windows nt as well as windows 3 1 comp os ms windows announce comp os ms windows advocacy in conclusion the only clear argument for the separation of the windows 3 1 and windows nt hierarchies is different internal structures of windows 3 1 and windows nt and yet operating systems such as os 2 macintosh os xenix and coherent all have undergone major rewrites without having been split into separate newsgroup hierarchies further windows 3 1 is due for a major rewrite itself in 1994 when the fully 32 bit protected mode and with dos built in next generation windows chicago debuts next year surely it should remain in the same hierarchy and what then would be the jus tification for separating windows nt from other windows versions discussion period the discussion period will run from 27 april 1992 to 18 may 1993 voting the cfv call for votes will be issued around 19 may 1993 based on the feedback received during the discussion period no votes will be accepted prior to the cfv tom haapanen tomh metrics com software metrics inc waterloo ont stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth now pull up thats how the corrado makes you feel car january 93 medicine miracle berries anyone from kalat j w 1992 biological psychology wadsworth publishing co belmont ca pg 219 reproduced without permission digression 6 1 miracle berries and the modification of taste receptors although the miracle berry a plant native to west africa is practically tasteless it temporarily changes the taste of other substances miracle berries contain a protein miraculin that modifies sweet receptors in such a way that they can be stimulated by acids bartoshuk gentile moskowitz meiselman 1974 if you ever get a chance to chew a miracle berry and i do recommend it for about the next half an hour all acids which are normally sour will taste sweet they will continue to taste sour as well miraculin was for a time commercially available in the united states as a diet aid the idea was that dieters could coat their tongue with a miraculin pill and then eat and drink unsweetened slightly acidic substances such substances would taste sweet without providing many calories a colleague and i once spent an evening experimenting with miracle berries we drank straight lemon juice sauerkraut juice even vinegar all tasted extremely sweet somehow we forgot how acidic these substances are we awoke the next day to find our mouths full of ulcers continued discussion of a couple other taste altering substances refs bartoshuk l m gentile r l moskowitz h r meiselman h l 1974 sweet taste induced by miracle fruit synsephalum dulcificum physiology behavior 12 6 449 456 anyone ever hear of these things or know where to get them marc andersom spot colorado edu cars re alarm systems are they worthwhile in article 1993apr19 164451 3744 news eng convex com dodson convex com dave dodson writes is it worthwhile to get an alarm system on a new car although others have in the past and will continue to disagree i think that it is worthwhile to get an alarm what features are important i think that it is important to protect your trunk engine bay all doors id get flashing lights leds mounted on the drivers and passenger door and a relay to disable engine operation toss in a glass break sensor and shock sensor door lock and unlock two remotes and panic feature are also nice to have most important is where you have the installation done some places may cost a little more but a poorly installed alarm no matter how much it cost will be a major burden what features are unimportant imo things like engine starters voice alarms window sunroof open and close and most other conveniences dave dodson dodson convex com convex computer corporation richardson texas 214 497 4234 larry keys csmes ncsl nist gov oo 1990 2 0 16v fahrvergnugen forever the fact that i need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldnt understand anyway medicine re sore throat in article 47835 sdcc12 ucsd edu wsun jeeves ucsd edu fiberman writes i have had a sore throat for almost a week when i look into the mirror with the aid of a flash light i see white plaques in the very back of my throat on the sides i went to a health center to have a throat culture taken they said that i do not have strep throat could a viral infection cause white plaques on the sides of my throat first i am not a doctor i know about this because i have been through it it sounds like tonsilitis lit swollen tonsils feel under your jaw hinge for a swelling on each side if you find them its tonsilitis ive had this a couple of times in the past the doctor prescribed a weeks course of penicillin and that cleared it up in my case it was associated with glandular fever which is a viral infection which from my point of view resembled flu and tonsilitis that kept coming back for a year or so there is a blood test for this in conclusion see a doctor if you have not done so already paul paul johnson paj gec mrc co uk tel 44 245 73331 ext 3245 these ideas and others like them can be had gec marconi research is not for 0 02 each from any reputable idealist responsible for my opinions baseball jose cansecos swing 1992 vs 1986 was going over some videos last night studying 1986 and 1992 videotapes of jose canseco proved to be very interesting and enlightening heres my analysis of jose canseco circa sep 92 and jose canseco circa june 1986 1 hes bulked up too much period he needs to lose about 20 pounds not gain more bulk 2 his bat speed has absolutely vanished conservatively id say hes lost 4 7 of his bat speed and thats a huge amount of speed 3 that open stance is killing him note that he acts sort of like brian downing way open to start then closes up as ball is released downing could do this without significant head movement canseco cant also note that canseco doesnt always close his stance the same way sometimes his hips are open sometimes theyre fully closed without a good starting point its hard to make adjustments in your swing what would i do if i were jose aside from salting away a large sum of a cash that i could never touch so that id never have to work again id restructure my entire swing first minimize movement before the swing close and widen the stance and severely cut down the stride i take on my swing hopefully this will cut down on the time i need to swing and will allow me to move the bathead more freely second drop 20 pounds cut out the weight work third relax the wrists will cost some power but until i can find my 1988 stroke concentrate on keeping the back shoulder up rolling the wrists through the strike zone and hit line drives his strength is more than enough so that some of those line drives will get out of the park if cansecos open stance and resulting bad habits are a result of his back problems hell be out of baseball in three years if not he could still hit 600 hr gary huckabay you think thats loud enough a hole movie rights well if youre having trouble hearing it sir available thru id be happy to turn it up for you i didnt ted frank know that many people your age liked kings x cars re warning please read tobias convex com allen tobias writes in article 1993apr15 024246 8076 virginia edu ejv2j virginia edu erik velapoldi writes this happened about a year ago on the washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass four or five cars were hit there were several serious injuries and sadly a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck in the head by one of the larger rocks i dont recall if she made it but i think she was comatose for a month or so and doctors werent holding out hope that shed live the girls ok actually and she recovered well enough to go home i dont know if she has any permanent damage though just in case anybody was concerned what the hell is happening to this great country of ours i can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such but 20 pound rocks has our society really stooped this low erik velapold if people start forcing others to take responsibility for their actions things like this wouldnt happen untill we stop blaming outside causes and start blaming the criminals we will continue to let things like this happen chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart c 1981 quick to judge quick to anger slow to understand ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand medicine re my new diet it works great in article 1993apr22 001642 9186 omen uucp caf omen uucp chuck forsberg wa7kgx writes can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back the lost weight does not constitute weight rebound until it exceeds the starting weight or is this oral tradition that is shared only among you obesity researchers annals of ny acad sci 1987 hmmm these dont look like references to me is passive aggressive behavior associated with weight rebound i purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to study the volumes mentioned and benefit therefrom good story chuck but it wont wash i have read the ny acad sci one and have it this am i couldnt find any reference to weight rebound im not saying it isnt there but since you cited it it is your responsibility to show me where it is in there there is no index i suspect you overstepped your knowledge base as usual gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon guns re fyi batf reply on waco in article c5l480 k7u elite intel com dgw elite intel com dennis willson writes on february 28 1993 the special agents attempting to serve the federal search warrant were all dressed in apparel clearly identified with the letters atf and a highly visible police type badge additionally the special agents announced who they were and their purpose for being at the compound immediately following this announcement gunfire erupted from the compound resulting in the deaths of four atf special agents and the wounding of several others through no fault of atf the element of surprise was lost which caused the tragedy this statement simply amazes me through no fault of atf the element of surprise was lost what element of surprise in the paragraph preceding this one he said the special agents announced who they were and their purpose for being at the compound which was to serve the federal warrant no element of surprise was even needed for that no the element of surprise that they lost was that needed for a preemptive first strike without warning inasmuch as the warrants remain sealed by a u s magistrate and the investigation remains in an active ongoung status we are prohibited from disclosing any further information at this time read they need to wait until they see how it comes out before they fabricate anymore which could get disproven we hope we have been responsive to your letter please let us know whenever we may be of service sincerely yours daniel m h l tt cant make out signature deputy director as always no facts just my opinions observations jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 windows re moving icons kmembry viamar uucp kirk membry writes i remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away from the mouse as it moved near them does anyone know the name of this program and the ftp location probably at cica as i remember it the name of the program your looking for is called icofrite cica was where i saw it last it was quite a while ago richard calderon rcaldrn epi med miami edu university of miami school of medicine information systems computing 1029 nw 15 st miami florida 33136 baseball yankee meditations do you realize that the yankees are paying matt nokes 2 500 000 dollars this year geesh and maas only gets 125 000 by the way the yankees are going to win it all yankees are the best by the way jt snow an ex yankee will be rookie of the year medicine re heat shock proteins rousseaua immunex com writes about heat shock proteins hsps and dna i hate to be derogatory but in this case i think its warranted hsps are part of the cellular response to stress the only reason they are called heat shock proteins is because they were first demonstrated using heat shock dead tissue ie meat is not going to produce any protein because its dead also who cares if the dna you are ingesting is mutated it will be completely digested in your stomach which is about ph 2 some of you worry way too much eat a healthy balanced diet and relax my advice is if you dont know what you are talking about it is better to keep your mouth shut than to open it and remove all doubt about your ignorance dont speculate or at least get some concrete information before you do sherry olmstead biochemist sherry olmstead title lab technician forestry canada phone 604 363 0600 victoria b c internet solmstead a1 pfc forestry ca guns re hallam baker bashes tpgers was re welcome to police state usa in article c5yypo ei2 dscomsa desy de hallam dscomsa desy de phill hallam baker writes in article 1993apr22 041542 11054 a cs okstate edu kennejs a cs okstate edu kennedy james scot writes from article c5t9ia 6f9 dscomsa desy de by hallam dscomsa desy de phill hallam baker just what the hell do you base that ludicrous claim on there are plenty of fine decent people people who read post to t p g if any of these people are paranoid it is because of people like you hey dude you are making me paranoid what an argument while i wouldnt be too terribly impressed with anybody who got to be paranoid based on either usenet in general or phill hallam bakers comments in general youd be surprised for most people if you accuse them of something long enough and loud enough to enough people they start to ask why theyre bothering to fight it if nothing you do will be considered right why bother to do right its pretty basic human nature id have a spot of tea with them you probably gave up on arguing the case for arms control directly long ago because posters who know what they are talking about e g frank crary disproved all your arguments for why more gun control is needed so you gave up because you know they are right and you couldnt refute their answers no frank crarys arguments are based on the assumption that most people are sane normal people tpg disproves this of gun owners what an amazing thing i didnt realize that over a hundred million gun owners all posted to tpg even if all the posts in talk politics guns illustrated what you say they illustrate it would still only reflect the written personas which is often different from face to face of a very very small and select group anybody who seriously generalizes any attitudes or positions on usenet to the general population of any country either doesnt care about accuracy or needs to have a few realities explained to them usenet as a whole disproves it of humanity as a whole speaking of which most of the readership posts ive seen put the most read newsgroups at about 160 000 readers a number i have a feeling is fairly inflated the posters rare and regular are themseleves a very tiny minority of that group and the whole of usenet readers are themselves a very distorted sample of humanity if anything the only real thing you can get out of the relative sample of usenet readers is that weve got too much equipment and too much time available to us we now have proof positive that guns dont make you safer buy a lot of guns and you either get shot in the no knock raid or get the fbi to burn down your house proof that guns dont make you safer is that if you buy one the government will show up and kill you tell me if the government took away the voting rights of everybody who exercised their free speech would that then be proof that free speech squelches political activity you are equating two things with each other that dont see even in the paranoid mindset of tpg there are good reasons to support gun control phill if you really believe that the various posts on computer nets represents either most of the posters in person personalities or the general publics general opinions then i have some serious reservations about your grasp on reality but dont expect you really do believe that its simply a convenient way to make your point and hopefully make those people you dont like look bad cuddles n kisses phill have a nice day phill david veal university of tennessee division of continuing education pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed when you pushed me down the elevator shaft sometimes i get to thinking you dont love me anymore weird al yankovic guns guns amex and new name i have never spoken for a ban against guns in america what ive said is that there seems to be to many of them and especially to many in wrong hands now if you would like to reduce the number how would you do it without affecting good responcible gun owners i do believe in a persons freedom what i dont believe is that you can have it all and dont pay for it most europeans believe in a society of individuals and that you have to give a little to make that society work cars and guns should really not be mixed i just tried to make a point like america norway has some spaces you have to cross to get from a to b so a car is essential in most parts guns on the other hand are not essential in norway so we dont argue that if we banned guns we have to ban cars everyone who believe that hitler and ww2 could be avoided if there were more guns in germany in the 30s please read some history is this discussion about 1 banning weapons for all americans or 2 making it harder for criminals to get one change of name wrote that one after reading the first postings about the waco incident i still think there are some posters should move their post to alt conspiracy or make a new newsgroup if you read the first postings after the waco fire you should see who i mean did the batf get the warrant for a gun search only or was there other reasons child abuse for instance doesnt the people reading this newsgroup have access to the clari news hierarcy some seems rather mis uninformed or is the clari news hierarcy ruled and censored by the corrupt facist goverment thomas parsli medicine re iridology any credence to it in article 9304261811 aa07821 dpw com janice price jprice dpw com writes how much can you tell about a persons health by looking into their eyes by looking at the iris iridology virtually nothing looking at the retina allows one to visualise the small blood vessels and is helpful in assessing various systemic diseases hypertension and diabetes for example don mackie his opinion um will disavow medicine theophylline ephedrine and water bio availability does anyone know if either theophylline or ephedrine or the two in combination can reduce the bodys ability to make use of available water i had kind of an odd experience on a group hike recently becoming dehyrated after about 9 hours of rigorous hiking despite having brought 1 1 2 gallons of water c 6 liters i drank close to twice as much as anyone else and no one else was dehydrated i dont think general physical condition was an issue since i was in at least the middle of the pack in terms of general stamina so far as i could tell it may be that i just plain need more water than most people but i am wondering if theophylline and or ephedrine might be aggravating things i took a couple of primatene tablets during the hike to control asthma 24 mg ephedrine 100 mg theophylline i gather that both those drugs are diuretics so now im wondering does that mean they can reduce the bodys ability to utilize available water would it be a particularly stupid thing to take that medication during hot weather exercise i always assumed diuresis just meant you urinated a lot but that wasnt the case yesterday religion re a kind and loving god in article 1r0ejoinnjfj owl csrv uidaho edu lanph872 crow csrv uidaho edu rob lanphier writes malcolm lee mlee post royalroads ca wrote what bothers me most is why people who have no religious affiliation continue to persecute jews why this hatred of jews the majority of people who persecute jews are not christians i cant speak for all christians and there are bound to be a few who are on the anti semitism bandwagon do you even have anecdotal evidence to back this up the most blatent persecution of the jews in history was of course done by the nazis before and during world war ii a predominately lutheran crowd sure many muslims in the middle east consider the israelites to be a thorn in their side but the most of the modern persecution of jews has been at the hands of christians at least as far as im aware rob lanphier lanph872 uidaho edu do you consider neo nazis and white supremists to be christian id hardly classify them as christian do they follow the teachings of christ love one another love your neighbour as yourself love your enemies is jesus christ their lord and saviour by the persecution of jews they are violating all the precepts of what christ died for they are in direct violation of the teachings of christ even jesus who was crucified by the jewish leaders of that time loved his enemies by asking the father for forgiveness of their sins i am a christian and i bear no animosity towards jews or any one else the enemy is satan not our fellow man god be with you malcolm lee medicine re help with antidepressants requested in article 736250544snx penguin equinox gen nz blubird penguin equinox gen nz gordon taylor wrote the prozac gave very bad anxiety jitters and insomina it was impossible to sit still for more than a minute or so i tried prozac a few months ago and had some insomnia from it but no anxiety or jitters i probably could have lived with the insomnia if the prozac had done any good but it only provided a tiny benefit maybe because the person who prescribed it didnt know much and gave up after a 20mg dose didnt work now im seeing a psychiatrist who has put me on zoloft another serotonin reuptake inhibitor like prozac one pill day 50mg seemed to help some now im trying 100mg day zoloft has fewer and milder side effects than prozac i think my doctor said that only 4 of the people taking zoloft have to discontinue it because of side effects the only problem im having is some minor gi distress but nothing too annoying hopefully the zoloft will work maybe your friend should try this one next my psychiatrists strategy seems to be to first try one of the serotonin drugs usually prozac if that works great if it works but has too many side effects try zoloft or maybe paxil if the serotonin drugs dont work at all try one of the tricyclics like desipramine suggestions as to the next step having a doctor who knows something about antidepressants can make a big difference my psychiatrist claims that most gps and fps dont have much experience in this area and from what ive seen im inclined to believe him i think i know more about antidepressants than the people at my family practitioners office disclaimer im not a doctor what i know about this comes from talking to my psychiatrist and reading sci med john werner werner soe berkeley edu uc berkeley school of education 510 596 5868 cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article c5hhgm 1rm constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article 1993apr13 215605 26252 slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com dan day writes in article 1q4466innb85 ctron news ctron com smith ctron com writes its a big aftermarket business almost no cars come from the factory with vynal any more and any fake convertible job definitely came from some aftermarket place what amazes me is how much people are willing to pay for bad taste how about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the trunk or side or both sides of some tacky luxury cars some of em arent fake if youre talking about the continental kit named after the lincoln continental the first car to sport one i personally would love to have a 56 t bird with a continental kit and the supercharged v 8 that is one of the most beautiful cars ever built imho james the continental may have been the first modern era auto to mount the spare on the rear of the car but it was hardly the first car to sport one various mounting techniques for rear mounting the spare were quite common in early automobiles both us and foreign ken franklin they say theres a heaven for people who wait ama and some say its better but i say it aint gwrra id rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints dod 0126 the sinners are lots more fun yknow only the good die young medicine re eumemics was eugenics cross posted and with followups directed to talk politics theory in article 79700 cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes indeed we are today a nation at risk the threat is not from bad genes but bad memes memes are the basic units of culture as opposed to genes which are the units of genetics we must expand the public health laws to include quarantine of people with harmful memes in other words we should jail people who say the wrong things in this advocacy we can see a truly ugly meme does mark robert thorson advocate jailing himself russell religion re religion and homosexuality in article 1993apr5 182411 7621 midway uchicago edu dsoconne midway uchicago edu writes first of all as far as i know only male homosexuality is explicitly mentioned in the bibles so youre off the hook there actually there is one condemnation of lesbian acts in the bible romans 1 26 i think in any event there are plenty of people in many denominations who do not consider a persons sexual identification of gay lesbian bisexual as an immoral lifestyle choice there are plenty who dont read the bible or pray for that matter link hudson religion re scientology i need some brief information on scientology or applientology as frank zappa would call it anyone have the time to send me some info on ol l ron and the b asics of what scientology is all about would be appreciated p s i am not inte rested in any propaganda ive taken the liberty of passing your name and address to your local org scientology office theyll be contacting you in a few days i also threw in a small contribution so theyd know youre serious baseball re tiger stadium gif i hate to be rude but screw the seating chart post the stadium instead the logistician reigns supreme go blue go tigers go pistons go lions go red wings ching wpi wpi edu religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed cotera woods ulowell edu writes once again wheres your proof suicide is considered a sin by branch davidians also koresh said over and over again that he was not going to commit suicide furthermore all the cult experts said that he was not suicidal david thibedeau sp one of the cult members said that the fire was started when one of the tanks spraying the tear gas into the facilities knocked over a lantern in two places at once bit of a coincidence that whatever the faults the fbi had the fact is that responsibility for those deaths lies with koresh p moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke clive p a u l m o l o n e y come let us retract the foreskin of misconception james trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment geoffm brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza cars re legal car buying problems in article 1993apr20 143930 13144 chpc org rboudrie chpc org rob boudrie writes in article 9285 27317 stratus swdc stratus com bob runway swdc stratus com bob hutson writes after agreeing to terms i signed the contract and drove home in my new car later that same night i noticed that the terms in the were different from the terms i had agreed to i made the stupid mistake of not checking everything on the contract this all happened last saturday i have heard that there is a cooling off law allowing me three days to reconsider the contract is this true can anyone point me to the law the transaction happened at the dealership if it matters this cooling off period applies only in certain situations lik ewhen you are solicited at home i also think the cooling off period ends if you actually accept the merchandise if this were not the case any car buyer would have the right to return a slightly used highly devalued car 2 days after buying it yeah thats the trick if i want to buy a new car id have a firend buy return one then go in and negotiate a better deal on a pre owned used car for discussion purposes only on the other hand if it can be proven its possible the changed terms could be thrown out the question will be whether the agreement contains a merger clause see ucc 2 202 parol evidence if were talking about warranties then of course ucc 2 316 should be looked at but we have so little information that none of us can say anything conclusive daniel reitman the uniform commercial code protects the innocent purchaser but it is not a shield for the sly conniver the blindly naive or the hopelessly gullible atlas auto rental corp v weisberg 54 misc 2d 168 172 281 n y s 2d 400 405 n y city civ ct 1967 baseball request for al stats anyone have the al individual stats or where i can find them k religion re is it good that jesus died brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes bskendig netcom com brian kendig writes and i maintain some people do not want to enter into the light and the knowledge that they alone are their own masters because they fear it they are too afraid of having to face the world on their own terms are you your own master do you have any habits that you cannot break if i have a habit that i really want to break and i am willing to make whatever sacrifice i need to make to break it then i do so there have been bad habits of mine that ive decided to put forth the effort to break and ive done so there have been other bad habits that ive decided are not worth the effort to break its my choice either way i am my own master i choose what i want to do i weigh the benefits of my actions against their consequences and i use my experience to help me deal with the unexpected which in turn make me more experienced i dont always succeed but i never fail either i learn do you have any habits you cant break why not for one you seem unable to master your lack of desire to understand even the slightest concept of the bible i have arrived at my own understanding of christianity just as youve probably arrived at your own understanding of islam that is most likely very different from the way a moslem thinks of his religion are you unable to master your lack of desire to understand even the slightest concept of the quran if thats different then how is it different from what you accuse me of can i accuse you of having no desire to understand even the slightest concept of atheism how about sexual sins gotta any of those secret desires in your head that you harbor but can get control of do you dehumanize women when they walk past you do you degrade them to a sex object in your head of course not thats disgusting for centuries religions have been discriminating on sex and treating women as second class humans thats one of the reasons i renounced my christianity do you insult people unknowingly then regret it later yet do it again the next time opportunity presents itself no i dont insult people period its not in my nature and its not something that i want to do either are you truly the master of yourself not yet but my life is the ground i use to practice on the fun is in the getting there i have admitted that i am not the master of my thought life at all times that i sometimes say things i do want to say and then repeat my mistake unwantingly i have admitted to myself that i cannot control every aspect of my being there are times i know i shouldnt say something but then say it anyway there are times i simply forget a lesson i in fact am not my own master we dont start out perfect weve got to strive to be something better i know my shortcomings and i know my strengths and i live my life according to the decisions i make and i am content to abide with the consequences of my decisions as easily as ill accept the praise for them there have been times in my life when ive made mistakes yes i try to never make the same mistake twice i need help jesus promised me this help and i took him up on his offer i have willfully let jesus be my master because jesus knows what is better for me than i myself do i regard christ as a myth i feel that there are far too many people offering far too many interpretations of what he supposedly said and did the only person who can really judge me is me i choose the roads i travel and i decide whether or not i want to reach the end of any given road or turn back and as long as i dont always turn back theres no shame in it when i need help i seek out my friends do you see my point i think youre the one under the rock and im getting a great tan out here in the sunlight my life has improved immesurably since i abandoned theism come and join me it will be a difficult trip at first until you build up your muscles for the long hike but its well worth it then i guess ignorance is bliss for you because brian you enjoy not having a clue about the bible and you dont have a clue about what im saying either open your eyes and see open your ears and listen im not just spouting off empty words this is my life this is what gives me meaning dont you see im not going to accept anything that i cant witness with my own eyes or experience with my own senses especially not something as mega powerful as what youre trying to get me to accept surely if you believe in it this strongly you must have a good reason to dont you can you witness motherly love with your senses how does caring and concern for you register with your senses if nothing registers to you other than what you can see taste smell hear and touch then you better become a vulcan and fast you better get rid of your emotions huh youre going way off the track here i say my mother loves me how do i know you ask i can point to definite things shes done for me and i can even just bring her to you so you can ask her face to face you say your deity loves you how do you know i ask you cant even convince me that it exists my god says that you will not cease existing you have life forever you can choose to either live it in hell in eternal torment where there is no communication whatsoever or can choose to live it in paradise with god that is what my god says and that was the issue your made up theism is what it is made up its wishful thinking if any god dangles heaven before me like a carrot promising untold pleasures to me if ill only suspend my disbelief and ignore my rationality for just this once then i would choose hell i can not lie to myself to placate another being no matter how powerful it is note also that there are several gods trying to lure me this way yahweh allah zeus odin ra please give me a solid reason to choose one of them over the others description of kendigism deleted hee hee why would you want to live a good life to you you die and thats it dont contradict yourself you have no reason to live a good life it doesnt do you any good in the end your life doesnt do anybody else any good either because everyone dies anyway so you have no reason to lead a good life leading a good life is meaningless why do you do such a meaningless thing that paragraph demonstrates that you havent listened to a single word ive said have you ever gone to an amusement park why i mean after a few hours it closes and nothings different except that youre a few dollars lighter going to the amusement park doesnt do you any good at all why do you do such a meaningless thing the answer is that you think its fun you play the skee ball over and over because youd like to get better at it even though youre not going to win anything better than a stuffed animal even if you blow ten dollars on it you ride the roller coaster because its an thrilling experience even though because it scares the dickens out of you in the same way i think life is fun and i dont intend to leave the amusement park of life until they close down for the night d im sorry i dont feel that sacrificing jesus was something any god id worship would do unless the sacrifice was only temporary in which case its not really all that important has the resurrection sunk in jesus is alive jesus is not dead so you and your holy book say by the same token therefore santa claus delivers toys every xmas dont you see i have no reason to believe that what you say is true please give me some reason that i cant similarly apply to santa claus forget the bible for a minute forget quoting verses forget about who said what about this or that show me picture just you and me and a wide open hilltop and convince me that youre right forget that i am a person forget that i know how to type forget that i know how to put a sentence together forget that i know how to send e mail forget my existence proove to me that i exist i cant do it because your existence means nothing more to me than just your communications over the net you have no more bearing on nor importance in my life than that remove it and you will cease to be significant to me are you thereby inferring that your deity is nothing more than a collection of verses in a book and cannot be supported without invoking them or do you mean that the existence of your deity and in fact any other deity that can be written about is as real as your own existence why do you believe what you believe brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 1993apr15 202811 29312 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman says i have been at a shooting range where gang members were practicing shooting how do we know that they were gang members and not undercover cops or even law abiding menacing minorities btw why the sneer quotes we know because the area that the gun shop shooting range is in is right on the border of the west side of chicago that is a gang infested area there are many many bad things going on in that area also i have several friends that live very close to that area who have had problems with some of these folks by the way where did i say that they were minorities do you think that only minorities have gangs not so as far as the quotes are concerned it was totally obvious that they werent just practicing for marksmanship i dont know about you but i have never seen anyone else practice marksmanship by taking their gun out of their coat as fast as possible and start shooting if you would have been there andy it wouldve been obvious to you too of course it might not have been who knows all i do know is that i was there i live here and i know that they were gang bangers when you live here long enough it becomes pretty easy to spot them via gang colors gang signs etc one last thing my sister is a social worker she makes it her point to find these things out gang signs colors etc because it is in her best interest to do so she is nice enough to let me know these things so i can watch out for myself as i live right on the border of the west side of the city enough said jason baseball re why is barry bonds not batting 4th consistent hitter definitely the best in the national league imho to have williams a streaky hitter and not really a clutch hitter batting 4th ahead of bonds is simply an injustice to the giants and fans of the giants 2 having bonds batting behind williams means that matt will get more good pitches to hit this is important since he struggles so much with breaking balls opposing pitchers dont want to walk williams to get to bonds youre definitely correct in that williams absolutely has to be sandwiched in between clark and bonds he must and i mean must get fastballs to hit otherwise he becomes little more than sixto lezcano in disguise what i would suggest is perhaps batting bonds williams and clark 3 4 5 the reason being that i feel bonds potential basestealing abilities are wasted when hes stuck behind two slow runners i think the chance of getting 20 30 extra stolen bases with bonds in the 3 spot would more than offset any drop in in run production by having clark in the 5 spot matt cars re sho and sc in a previous article a207706 moe dseg ti com robert loper says in article c5l8re 28 constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article 1993apr15 232412 2261 ganglion ann arbor mi us david ganglion ann arbor mi us david hwang writes in article 5214 unisql uucp wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes in article chrissc587qb d1b netcom com chriss netcom com chris silvester writes why anyone would order an sho with an automatic transmission is beyond me if you cant handle a stick you should stick with a regular taurus and leave the sho to real drivers that is not to say that there arent real drivers who cant use the stick eg disabled persons but they arent in any position to use an sho anyway i would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic transmissions from all performance type cars like the 5 0l mustangs camaros and the like wed cut down on the number of accidents each year autos are fine for sedate little sedans but they have no business in performance cars imho james i have to disagree with this i have a 92 z28 with a 350 and a 4 speed auto w overdrive and it is really better that way chevy autos are reknowned for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power i live in the dallas area and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic here now if i still lived out in the sticks like i used to a manual would be more fun safety wise an auto is less distracting i would hate to have to be shifting gears while i was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here performance wise i can hold my own against any stock 5 0 mustang or 5 0 camaro w a five speed all of this imho all of my hos disagree with your hos i loved dallas rush hour in my stick detested it in the auto like i did any other time in the auto of course dalls rush hours are nothing from what i hear if i lived in la i might be of a different persuasion and just for the record rarely do you shift gears when merging into traffic that is what 5 speeds are good for 4th is good up through around 80 90 most of the time so you can just wind it out its not going to hurt anything and keeps it in the powerband anyway only shift into top gear when you are exceeding redline in 4th fairly rare unless you drive a ferrari or some such id bet or when you hit cruising speed where you feel comfortable or when my mother is sitting in the passanger seat complaining about how you wind her poor little engine way too hi just my hos drew baseball re a surfeit of offense in article 1qi008innphe jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo a iglesias writes in article 1993apr14 160447 17835 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes last year the american league scored 9802 runs in 1134 games for a total of 8 6 runs per game with 1 0 hr game through tuesday the al has 477 runs in 48 games for a total of 9 9 runs per game and a total of 1 7 hr game in 1987 there were 9 8 runs per game and 2 3 hr game the big question how significant is this have we returned to 1987 or is this just a minor abberation some thoughts d i thought offense was generally down in april rising as the weather got warm and pitchers got tired this may be a bigger abberation from the norm than it seems 1 i dont get a feeling that the weather has been an issue this year there doesnt seem to be a really cold spell in north america which does makes it harder to hit not to mention making the ball carry less you obviously did not watch the twins in chicago no cold spell its been snowing most of the week in minnesota 5 inches in duluth last weekend i would still put things under the too early to tell category yup russ anderson disclaimer any statements are my own and do not reflect upon my employer or anyone else c 1993 ex twins jack morris 10 innings pitched 0 runs world series mvp baseball re jose cansecos swing 1992 vs 1986 in article c5jkik 1zf ucdavis edu ez027993 dale ucdavis edu gary built like villanueva huckabay writes was going over some videos last night and you wrote an excellent report about it 1 hes bulked up too much period he needs to lose about 20 pounds not gain more bulk 2 his bat speed has absolutely vanished conservatively id say hes lost 4 7 of his bat speed and thats a huge amount of speed 3 that open stance is killing him note that he acts sort of like brian downing way open to start then closes up as ball is released downing could do this without significant head movement canseco cant also note that canseco doesnt always close his stance the same way sometimes his hips are open sometimes theyre fully closed without a good starting point its hard to make adjustments in your swing i understand from an unreliable source that canseco was considered expendable by the as when he refused to accept any coaching about his batting stance the as brain trust came to believe that his back problems were exacerbated if not caused by having a wide open stance closing it quickly and then swinging with a lot of torque thats a paraphrase of what i remember in any event canseco took the road that he and he alone would decide his stance and the as began to believe that he would either reinjure himself or begin to lose his ability to hit for both average and power aside from salting away a large sum of a cash that i could never touch so that id never have to work again id restructure my entire swing apparently you sound like larussa second drop 20 pounds cut out the weight work the as also objected about this if cansecos open stance and resulting bad habits are a result of his back problems hell be out of baseball in three years if not he could still hit 600 hr again im just repeating something i heard but possibly the cause and effect is the reverse of that the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com windows re workspace manager for win 3 1 in article 1r5uml 620 werple apana org au jamie zikzak apana org au jamie scuglia writes are there any workspace managers out there for windows 3 1 try workshift by karl thoreddson the latest version is 2 0 or later but the following is at cica in the desktop directory wrksft16 zip workshift graphical virtual desktop ver 1 6 or email karl and ask him to put version 2 0 up karls email karlth rhi hi is from the ms write file of v1 6 i was beta tester for workshift and must say it is very good i gain nothing from saying that itll even remember your workshifts workspaces as you said between windows sessions thanks in advance your welcome o paul blackman pwb science canberra edu au o water research centre pwb aerg canberra edu au o faculty of applied science o university of canberra australia spend a little love and get high lenny kravitz medicine re fungus epidemic in ca in article steward cup portal com john joseph deltuvia writes there was a story a few weeks ago on a network news show about some sort of fungus which supposedly attacks the bone structure and is somewhat widespread in california anybody hear anything about this one the only fungus i know of from california is coccidiomycosis i hadnt heard that it attacked bone it attacks lung and if you are especially unlucky the central nervous system nothing new about it its been around for years they call it valley fever since it is found in the inland valleys not on the coast gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon medicine roc curves software i understand robert centor has a program called roc analyzer that can be used to do receiver operating characteristic roc curve analysis does anyone know if this is avaliable from an ftp site if not does anyone know how to get a copy of it howard doyle doyle pitt edu guns re clinton wants national id card aka ussr style internal passport in article 1993apr19 162137 1306 hsh com paul hsh com paul havemann says in article c5kse0 5px 1 cs cmu edu tsmith cs cmu edu tom smith writes in article 1993apr16 022926 27270 ucsu colorado edu u fcrary ucsu colorado ed frank crary writes in article c5jif8 i4n boi hp com slack boi hp com david slack writes the idea of the card is bull in and of its self but im curious to know do they plan on making it a requirement to always have it on you or is it only going to be required to be presented when trying to ge medical aid this at least has already been determined the blue cross medical coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future national system to get emergency medical care anyone so insured must always carry their blue cross card before entering a hospital you must notify blue cross or they will refuse to pay your bills in an emergency where you must be treated before notifying them you must inform them within 24 hours or if you are unable to do so for medical reasons the hospital must failing to do so within 24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization in you need your card to notify them and without the card the hospital certainly wouldnt know they had to therefore you are required to carry the card at all times or do without emergency medical coverage which works fine until you end up in the hospital because you were hit on the head and your wallet with your insurance card is stolen this happened to me and it took six months to sort the mess out these sorts of plans sound nice at first but in the end they just create a lot of paperwork and bureaucracy to deal with all the checking and filing they involve tom the non hacker whoa have a care what you say tom the obvious answer to that problem is to tatoo your national i d number on you say your forearm so you can never leave home without it hell it worked once before and that brings us back to my original sarcasm laden post wheres the outcry from the liberal sector over the national id card my god if some conservative had proposed this plus clintons national police proposal the liberals would be shrieking sieg heil and police state you self styled liberals ought to be ashamed of yourselves hypocrites i dont know what you watch but i saw a spokesman for the aclu voice opposition to this idea on nbc the very first night medicine mystery illness with spots i attended high school in the san jose california area in the early 1980s and i remember a smallish outbreak of a strange illness in which people developed measles like spots on their bodies this condition seemed to last only a few days and i dont recall anyone reporting any other symptoms i seem to recall reading somewhere that this was believed to have been viral in nature but i dont know for sure however i have been curious since then about this anyone have any ideas about what this might have been cars re bullet proof luxury sedans in article 1pnigoinn5in senator bedfellow mit edu chsu mtl mit edu charles h hsu writes i am interested to find out if there is any domestic car manufacturer especially gm and ford which produces bullet proof luxury sedans i understand caddy is working on one double battery super high perf engine more gauges a bit stretched etc lots of communication equipment the works color selection is limited though the problem is that the guy at 1600 penn avenue is about to get it pres clinton last time it was a lincoln this time a caddy i am just wondering if this so called bullet proof perhaps reinforced windows special materials for the body engine etc luxury car lincoln and cadillac models is readily available to the public not to my knowledge i know gm does conversion work for things like hot climates i e the chevy caprices sold to the middle east but things like that are always done by third parties not the manufacturer maybe you will need to buy a specific package that has beefed up everything perhaps the police cruiser package on the caprice crown vic and start from there do we have to go through any special dealership to obtain these cars i would really like to hear from anyone who has experience with the bullet proof cars and i wuz drivin along in my armored seville sts and this punk pulls out of nowhere with an rpg rocket propelled grenade but the bulletproof windshield stopped him dont think many people on the net have a need for bulletproof cars check with local armored service companies security bodyguard places theyd know best i think your average luxury car dealer will have a coronary if you told them ill take the blue caprice with options fz01 fuzzy dice pr11 power everything and ar007 armor any information regarding the dealers and after market shops that have bullet proof lincolns and cadillacs is greatly appreciated you may email me at chsu mtl mit edu or post the message in this newsgroup if you believe other netters might be interested as well btw same information on mercedes benz bmw lexus and infiniti luxury sedans is needed as well if you have it i believe an article on the conversion process appeared in the car press within the last few months spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology delco electronics 317 451 0815 gm hughes electronics kokomo in 46904 a different kind of disclaimer windows re challenge to microsoft supporters as long as were bashing typography csympc scs leeds ac uk m p conmy writes unix is case dependent yes unix is case dependent pete gontier ec technology gurgle netcom com microsoft windows like putting lipstick on a chicken guns re ax the atf a few comments on the atfs botched handling of this case dan s and another one hasnt enyone heard of a leaders recon this is when the leader of the assult goes and looks at the objective to see if anything has changed that would affect the mission even the freshman cadets here in rotcland know about them mostly because they know it as the part where they lie on the cold ground for an hour or so but theyve heard about it maybe the atf should have hired out to the local rotc guys andrew diederich diederic spot colorado edu these opinions are only mine on alternate tuesdays religion religion and marriage i wasnt sure if this was the right newsgroup to post this to but i guess the misc is there for a reason here goes i am getting married in june to a devout wisconsin synod lutheran i would classify myself as a strong agnostic weak athiest this has been a a subject of many discussions between us and is really our only real obstacle we dont have any real difficulties with the religious differences yet but i expect they will pop up when we have children i have agreed to raise the children nominally lutheran that is lutheran traditions but trying to keep an open mind i am not sure if this is even possible though i feel that that the worst quality of being devoutly religous is the lack of an open mind anyway i guess ill get on with my question is anyone in the same situation and can give some suggestions as to how to deal with this weve taken the attitude so far of just talking about it a lot and not letting anything get bottled up inside sometimes i get the feeling were making this much bigger than it actually is any comments would be greatly appreciated also please e mail responses since i dont get a chance to read this group often paul baseball re and americas team is but why in article kingoz 735066879 camelot kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well officially its the braves at least up until they started winning it was are they still officially if so why and how did they receive this label probably because everyone that is everyone who has cable can watch every braves game they are the only team that has all of its games broadcast nationwide and if you dont like your local team or you dont have a local team the braves can kind of become your local team because you can watch them every day im outta here like vladimir alan whats this this is ice this is what happens to water when it gets too cold this this is kent this is what happens to people when they get too sexually frustrated val kilmer real genius guns re nature of the waco gas cash convex com peter cash writes in article 1r6170inndlu cronkite central sun com dbernard clesun central sun com writes the reason given was that the use causes extreme nausea blindness disorientation total irrationality raging paranoia children would be all the more susceptible and show the results all the earlier if we are indeed talking about cs then this is not quite accurate cs is just tear gas albeit the worst kind it isnt a nausea gas and doesnt have direct cns effects however its quite bad much worse than cn gas i has anyone publically considered the possibility that the fires were set for defence instead of suicide and the destruction and confusion caused by the tanks and gas caused things to get out of the bds control spending programs are now investments taxes are contributions and these are the same people who say i need a dictionary dan quayle 2 19 93 my employer is not responsible for anything that may appear above baseball the bob dylan baseball abstract reposted without permission from rec music dylan in article 1993apr9 152336 14605 uvaarpa virginia edu buck vax museum upenn edu wrote for those of you who like both bob and baseball check out the current village voice april 13 p 141 john lammers and hart seely have written the bob dylan baseball abstract and they have covered every team in both leagues example colorado an the silent bats will shatter from the scores between the lines for theyre one too many castoffs and a thousand runs behind rebecca buck vax museum upenn edu gerry myerson windows proteced mode im looking for information how w nt uses proteced mode the hw support cars sticky lock on tailgate my 1988 toyota 4runner has a rolldown rear window with a keylock switch it sticky on me yesterday it was tough to get the key to work and it also happened to stick on in the up direction so the stalled motor was powered all night killing the battery id like to try to lubricate the lock switch what should i lubricate the lock with email please thanx ken dont drink american corporate swill support you local micro brewery me guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article c5t38g il news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article 1r1rad 7rl transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article c5s0ds j54 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes the original question was about who started the fire and whether the madmen were inside or outside the compound to which i replied on the possible sanity level of those inside and outside was that your argument well you didnt make it very well you started from the questionable premise that the fire was necessarily an act of insanity rather than an act of negligence or an accident recall one survivor claims that the fire started when a tank knocked over a kerosene lamp kind of makes arguments regarding relative sanity somewhat moot no according to an australian documentary made in the year before the stand off began koresh and his followers all believed he was christ koresh had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound these were the perfect children resulting from the great seed of his magnified horn ex members describe him in ways not dissimilar to the way jim jones has been described point noted have you submitted your faith and sex life for batf clearance better hurry i believe the deadline was april 15 i paid my taxes there was no reference to sex or religion on the form nice evasive maneuver mr chekov but theyre still on our tail let me ask it more plainly which of the above complaints about david koreshs religious or sexual proclivities justified an armed raid by the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set by cult members so when they talk to the news reporters directly and relate the same details will you believe them believe them i wont even recognize them and neither will anyone else who doesnt know them personally do you believe they would put impostors before the national tv cameras its not entirely far fetched nobody outside the compound would know everybody inside the compound dont forget the batf admits having agents inside the compound in any case at this point we are getting conflicting reports from the survivors best wait til more light is shed upon them of course this is no good if you believe in eternal darkness im simply being the devils advocate theres reasonable doubt by the boatload standing in the way of anybody totally swallowing the official government story on waco cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet religion re question for those with popular morality in article 70257 david terminus ericsson se david bold writes in article 17570 freenet carleton ca ad354 freenet carleton ca james owens writes you seem to be saying that god being unknowable his morality is unknowable yep thats pretty much it as i understand it the sadducees believed that the torah was all that was required whereas the pharisees the ancestors of modern judaism believed that the torah was available for interpretation to lead to an understanding of the required morality in all its nuances talmud the essence of all of this is that biblical morality is an interface between man and yhwh for a jew or christian and does not necessarily indicate anything about yhwh outside of that relationship although one can speculate the point i m trying to make is that we only really have the bible to interpret and that interpretation is by humanity i guess this is where faith or relevation comes in with all its inherent subjectiveness god being unknowable i cant comment on his motives but it would be distressing if he allowed us to misunderstand him through no fault of our own for sanitys sake we must assume if we believe in him at all that his message comes through somehow the question is whether it comes through immediately to every individual or is contained in a complex canon that must be interpreted by experts in consultation with one another or is transmitted directly through appointed representatives who are free to interpret extend and modify the canon if gods message is indeed mediated the further problem arises as to whether the individual under stands the mediated message fully and clearly since the responsibility for understanding lies ultimately with the individual we must assume that god in his benevolence guides each individual to the appropriate source for that individual whereof the person may or may not drink metaphysically if there are multiple moral codes then there is no absolute moral code and i think this is theologically questionable no there may be an absolute moral code there are undoubtably multiple moral codes the multiple moral codes may be founded in the absolute moral code as an example a parent may tell a child never to swear and the child may assume that the parent never swears simply because the parent has told the child that it is wrong now the parent may swear like a trooper in the pub or bar where there are no children the wrongness here is if the child disobeys the parent the parent may feel that it is inappropriate to swear in front of children but may be quite happy to swear in front of animals the analogy does not quite hold water because the child knows that he is of the same type as the parent and may be a parent later in life but you get the gist of it incidentally the young child considers the directive as absolute until he gets older see piaget and learns a morality of his own your example is complicated in our age by the thin line between morality and politeness you might have said burp for burping and swearing carry about the same stigma today if you are talking about taking the lords name in vain as a serious transgression then this example is more a case of hypocrisy than of varying moral codes if there is an absolute moral code propositions or laws in that code apply absolutely and universally by definition conceivably some moral codes could be subsets of the universal code as you say at the outset so for example gods code could include thou shalt not create beings without a hospitable planet to live on but this law would be inapplicable to us nevertheless we would be entitled to suppose that all laws applicable to us are also applicable to god but when you begin to ask what laws might appear in gods moral code you have a sense of the absurdity of the question does god make laws for himself to follow perhaps god is not the sort of being to which the category morality can be sensibly applied james owens ad354 freenet carleton ca ottawa ontario canada cars re its a rush was re too fast in article 21apr199314371355 stdvax oaddab stdvax dirk broer writes still its amazing in germany you can have cars traveling 155 mph and 65 mph on the same 3 to 4 lane road around washington dc they cant keep traffic flowing at 55 actually thatd be 155 mph and 60 mph the legal speed limit for trucks in two lanes each direction its a hell of a rush when those trucks fly by or was that me flying by them who cares the rush is really something else and so is the draft ron windows norton desktop smartcan vs norton utils ep i just purchased the norton desktop for windows and i also have norton utilities when i installed ndw it wanted to rem out the line that installed ep ep on and the command to invoke the image utility it replaced the image command with a new image command that invokes the version of image that came with ndw this makes sense as presumably the image version with ndw is newer than the one with nu it did not however install smartcan in the autoexec now two questions 1 will nu use the image data saved by the newer version of image invoked i e are the two version of image compatable 2 will erase protect use the info from smartcan and vice versa i use both dos and windows and i want to make sure that when i erase files in either environment they are going to be protected from the experiments i have run the two programs erase protect and smart erase dont use each others info i currently have both ep and smartcan loading within my autoexec and i dont see any conflicts fyi norton desktop for windows version 2 2 norton utils version 6 thanks for any help baseball re bob vestermans plan to generate fan interest in article 93110 200825rvesterm vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes the owners are whining about baseball not being popular among a large enough portion of the population and have suggested various remedies such as shortening the game or trying to convince us that smokeembakeemdominatebysheerintimidation is an accurate description of what is essentially a laid back game forget those lame ideas here is my new and exciting two point plan to generate interest in baseball among the masses point one sex point two violence lets face it sex and violence are the only things that sell in america heres how we can implement them in the game sex cheerleaders cheerleaders and more cheerleaders dancing on top of the dugouts bringing hot dogs to the umps during the seventh inning stretch running up and down the stands the south bend white sox actually do this violence baseball players are such utter wuss boys the pitcher beans the batter and both benches empty in what is called a bench clearing brawl everybody just stands there and looks at each other stand stand stand look look look ho hum then the bullpens come running in when they reach the fight they just stand there too anybody coming off the bench who does not throw at least one punch should be suspended and fined further the bullpens should fight it out in the outfield so as not to waste time and energy running to the infield i think what bob is describing here is a game which mad magazine called basebrawl i have no idea what issue but it sure did cover the violence issue paul football sex violence basketball sex violence hockey violence baseball da pastime of da nayshun yawn bob vesterman cars re buick heater controls i had the exactly same problem with my 70 lesabre it was also from cal what i did was go to the local junkyard and pick up a diaphragm from a 68 lesabre with the same heater set up it worked for me but a little bit slow to change from vents to defogger better than nothing guns re whos next mormons and jews in article 1r24bv dif apple com earlw apple com earl wallace writes the koreshians rubbed themselves out neither mormons nor jews have a propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene so im not particularly concerned or shall we blame jim jones on the government also it is silly to make this statement fifteen minutes after the fire started the official word out of fbi headquaters in dc was that the dvs committed suicide it would seem logical that the lantern story has more credibility you cant even to pretend to know for sure what happened although clinton is doing just that jeff strait strait uicsl csl uiuc edu university of illinois phone 217 333 6444 impeach klinton guns re repeat violent criminals is reform often in article 23303 husc3 harvard edu kim39 scws8 harvard edu john kim writes from the boston globe thursday april 22 1993 p 44 walpole man 32 guilty in rape kenne n h a walpole man charged with kidnapping a mother of two from her home then raping and beating her has pleaded guilty roger santaw jr also plead ed guilty to an attempted escape from cheshire county jail last win ter santaw 32 is scheduled to be sentenced next week the rape last fall came six months after santaw was released from prision where he spent 15 years for a rape he commit ted when he was 16 ap end of article any reactions did he do enough time what should his penalty be btw walpole is a town in massachusetts of course new hampshire is close by j case kim kim39 husc harvard edu some women might say death how about life with no hope of parole david n bixler auburn university all standard disclaimers apply windows roman bmp 07 14 part 7 of 14 mi 6ei 6ei 6ei 6ei 6ei 6ei 6ei4 1t 1t 1t i 6ei 6ei 6ei0l m pl pl pl pl pl i 6ei 6e1t 1t w w z ghj bj nuy p m yf9f9d 3t 9f9f0 7kn n n 7ex p 9f9fax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax masc p l x o p m2yyk9 5 3 r a2jkb l ax ax ax max 75 2j 4v f n p 5 1jz d 61dof1d9 st h ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax avpvt n2ijl8ymd9 oq m k q9 rax ax ax ax au 75u bp2 emltxcl6x 2j l 2we922 m f 4 q 4 6ax a 6zjbu 3 5 345 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ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ge 6s cv d x1vo p3o qv h0 a m824e2 f ptm 2vx u 34u 3 r dleax ay 5 0 tzx p v c p mn 6c r 8 d dkgi 0 yx 8 ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max r h 86 y 6q o5i l pmc q1 5 145 148 ax ax ax ax max aw6igiz y d yy0 c o r0i ke 0i h 9 sl sqk l 4 mr b70 p o p3o i zax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax end of part 7 of 14 cars re saturn performance was re saturn puzzled by its pricing in article 4fjdcfu00iv2i9kap andrew cmu edu jason m roth jr4q andrew cmu edu writes i cant imagine any civic or saturn owners flexn there egos in stop light races it generates as much excitement as two nerds challenging each other in a game of one on one basketball the sl2 does 0 60 in about 8 5 note that this is closer to a 968 than to a paseo or storm pseudo sporty cars thats a ridiculous comparison i know but the point is that saturns and high end civics for that matter accelerate just fine in fact better than most unimproved muscle cars of the 60s 300 hp is great but tied to 2 tons it just doesnt go that quick saturns on the other hand use 125 hp tied to 2400 lbs with some short gearing to move very quickly off the line anyway while your 0 60 time is consistent with most car magazines and reports i saw the pbs motorweek show clock a 5 speed sl2 at 7 9 seconds im sure that most sl2 owners will be very lucky to get this speed but 7 9 seconds is still astonishingly fast for a small 4 door a new civic ex runs about 8 2 seconds 0 60 if im not mistaken most cars in this class are lucky to be in the 9 second range mihir shah medicine re diet for crohns ibd in article 1993apr22 202051 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes in article 1r6g8finne88 ceti cs unc edu jge cs unc edu john eyles writes a friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of crohns disease but she cant seem to eat certain foods such as fresh vegetables without discomfort and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence her question is are there any nutritionists who specialize in the problems of people with crohns disease i saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric thanks in advance john eyles all your friend really has to do is find a registered dietician rd while most work in hospitals and clinics many major cities will have rds who are in private practice so to speak many physicans will refer their patients with crohns disease to rds for dietary help if you can get your friends physician to make a referral medical insurance should pay for the rds services just like the services of a physical therapist the better medical insurance plans will cover this but even if your friends plan doesnt it would be well worth the cost to get on a good diet to control the intestinal discomfort and help the intestinal lining heal crohns disease is an inflammatory disease of the intestinal lining and lipoxygenase inhibitors may help by decreasing leukotriene formation but im not aware of tea or turmeric containing lipoxygenase inhibitors for if you do a medline search on turmeric youll see that it is a potent lipoxygenase inhibitor which is being investigated in a number of areas im in cardiology and about 4 years ago the cardiothoracic surgery lab at my hospital compared the effect of a teaspoon of dissolved turmeric vs a 2000 bolus of tpa in preventing myocardial reperfusion injury in a perfused langendorff sheep heart the turmeric was more effective a colleague of mine in the school of pharmacy dr ron kohen has a paper in press on the free radical scavenging activity and antioxidant activity of tea josh backon vms huji ac il bad inflammation steroids are used but for a mild case the side effects are not worth the small benefit gained by steroid use upjohn is developing a new lipoxygenase inhibitor that should greatly help deal with inflammatory diseases but its not available yet marty b baseball re jack morris in a previous article tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer says in article 1qr05cinnpel skeena ucs ubc ca stlouis unixg ubc ca phill st louis writes jack morris starts have been like his playoff starts he has an era of 17 18 in his 3 starts what does luck have to do with a 17 18 era he was lucky to get 21 wins last year but he had an era of 4 04 with a team that scored a lot of runs i would be happy if he could still pitch with an era of 4 04 but he seems to be suffering from a total callapse bad pitchers are more prone to this total collapse than good pitchers they are closer to the chasm of mediocrity the smallest push and they completely lose their grip but good ones can collapse somewhat then come back the next year burleigh grimes went from 20 wins and an era of 3 or so in 24 to 13 19 and an era around 4 in 25 he pitched well for several more years carlton won 13 and lost 20 the year after his 27 10 record source bill james historical baseball abstract and lets not forget john tudor who started 1 5 and finished 21 6 in 1985 he had a pretty bad era when you take busch stadium into account at the start of the season he gave up early runs in his 92 games and would get stronger as the game went on thus giving up few runs in the last going he stays in the game and gets the win how else would he have pitched so many innings yup he used to dig himself a hole then get it together and stick in until the run support eventually came through this year he just hasnt gotten it together if i recall he had a 4 50 era in the 1st half and a 3 50 era in the 2nd half of last year hmmm 21 runs in 11 innings suppose he starts 30 more games and winds up w 200 innings pitched if he allows 4 runs a game in the next 189 innings hell have a 4 75 era or so at the end of the year i think i have his totals right this is going to be hard to come back from jack may be finished it is time to retire or be released if he does not return to his form from last year his 5 million contract is an awful lot to eat my 1st hunch is that morris is very gutsy and that he may be pitching through an injury and not telling anyone my 2nd guess is that he will be banished to the bullpen the remainder of the season after a few more starts perhaps when stewart comes off the dl or will danny cox who went 3 or 4 scoreless innings against the tribe today start for morris he looks like a really good one gaston is scrambling to find starters id imagine luckily the jays have a very good offense i dont think they would dare release him before the end of the year hell just be replaced by stewart or cox doug fowler dxf12 po cwru edu me age 4 now mommys and daddys other ever wonder if after casey relatives have to give lots of hugs love missed the 3rd strike in the poem support cause heaven is just a great he ran to first and made it big hug that lasts forever and ever guns re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm 0 90 2 735386976 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes i dont remember the figures exactly but there were about 3500 deaths in texas in 1991 that was caused by guns how about firearm related this is more than those beeing killed in car accidents texas is unusual in this regard it would be nice to reduce them both though as texas doesnt appear to have an murder rate that much higher than the national average i would expect it is a result of a much higher suicide rate i should not suffer because of others be nice if you didnt have to suffer at all we all agree on this one but we also live in a sociaty and therefor well have to give up some of our freedom note the heres where we run into a problem i am perfectly willing to have government regulation on something which is likely to cause others harm what were discussing though is the extreme regulation of a large group in order to target a small group and i dont think thats appropriate do you have an insurance then youll have to pay because of what others do do you buy anything you are paying for those who return goods steal or even those who gets a bonus do you live with other people then you cant do ererything youd want burping farting playing music loud does this then justify anything at some point you have to draw a line at least to my way of thinking where the government must have something a little more substantial than a set of percentages with which to punish an individual where do you draw the line or is there one one state dont remember which texas tried to impose a rule that you could only buy one gun each month think you all know what happened virginia it passed i respect the right to defend yourself but that right should not inflict on other people does it it seems like you all realize that you have a problem in america the only problem is that you wont take the car away from the drunk driver you hope to cure him first cute analogy the u s doesnt treat drunk driving like a serious crime however we also dont confiscate cars of people who drink we also dont confiscate all cars because some people drink and drive its the core of the legal system that in order to punish an individual and id call property confiscation a punishment you must have evidence against that individual that is it isnt enough to show that the majority of people convicted of murder are white in order to convict a particular white guy of murder hope life comfirms to the standard of winnie the poh huh david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al baseball bosios no hitter i watched the final inning of bosios no hitter with several people at work after vizquel made that barehanded grab of the chopper up the middle someone remarked that if he had fielded it with his glove he wouldnt have had time to throw riles out yet the throw beat riles by about two steps i wonder how many others who watched the final out think vizquel had no choice but to make the play with his bare hand does anybody think vizquel was wrong to field the ball barehanded and if he failed to field it cleanly would it or should it have been an error or a hit judging from bosios grimace when the ball bounced past him he must have thought it would go through for a hit whether vizquel was right or wrong he certainly made one hell of a play phil brown aka pb6755 csc albany edu medicine persistent vs chronic can anyone out there tell me the difference between a persistent disease and a chronic one for example persistent hepatitis vs chronic hepatitis thanks horace baseball re white sox update i think lamont is tryin sax out in left because he is messing with his mind he is trying to stir loose the mental block that he has had sax was supposed to play in left last night 4 14 but we were rained out its not like we need to add any more outfielders to our team its mental jimmy go sox cubs suck thats the white sox dontcha know medicine re dislocated shoulder in article 1993apr9 181944 5353 e2big mko dec com steve caboom cbm dec com steve katz writes recently i managed to dislocate my shoulder while sking the injury also seems to have damaged the nerves in my arm i was wondering if someone could point me towards some literature that would give me some background into these types of injuries please respond by email if possible your medical school library should have books on peripheral nerve injuries probably it was your brachial plexus so look that up gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon religion re is it good that jesus died in article 1993apr25 194144 8358 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 wrote in article c5ymir fne blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu ken arromdee writes you said everyone in the world that means everyone in the world including children that are not old enough to speak let alone tell lies if jesus says everyone you cannot support that by referring to a group of people somewhat smaller than everyone thats right everyone even infants who cannot speak as yet even a little child will rebelliously stick his finger in a light socket even a little child will not want his diaper changed even a little child will fight nap time oh boy get a small baby and figure out how much brain power they have the first 6 months cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net baseball re eck vs rickey was re rickeys whining again in article 6998 blue cis pitt edu genetic pitt edu david m tate writes ive read all of the followups to this but i thought id go back to the original article to make specific comments about the method jao megatest com john oswalt said he has obtained the play by play records in computer readable form for every major league baseball game for the past several years he devised an algorithm which i call sum over situations and wrote a computer program to calculate every major league players contribution using it it works like this look at every situation in every game in a baseball season a situation is determined by inning score where the baserunners are and how many outs there are for each situation count how many times the team eventually won the game that the situation occured in and divide by the number of times the situation came up to come up with a value for that situation this was first done by george lindsey in the late 50s early 60s and reported in article an investigation of strategies in baseball author george r lindsey journal operations research issue volume 11 4 july august 1963 pp 477 501 later pete palmer did the same thing using simulated seasons to generate a larger set of data to avoid the kind of small sample anomalies that other people have worried about he reported this in the hidden game of baseball with john thorn gary skoog modified the method a bit and did some work on what he called a value added measure based on these situational values his were based directly on marginal runs though not on win probabilities these results as applied to the 198 season were reported in one of the bill james baseball abstract books 1987 help me out here somebody for example a situation might be inning 3 score 2 0 runner on second and no outs there were 4212 regular season major league games last year with the rockies and marlins there will be more this year say this situation came up in 100 of those and the team ahead won 75 of them then the value of this situation is 0 75 description of method look at change in win probability based on the at bat plus any baserunning and credit debit the player by that amount each time he gets a plate appearance now for each player sum up all his at bat and base running values for the season to obtain an overall value for that player obviously the sum of all players values for each game and for the season as a whole will be 0 thats only because you always credit x to the batter and x to the pitcher theres no validation involved ok theres a very big problem here that nobody has yet commented on youre adding probabilities and probabilities dont add runs you can add the total team runs breaks down into how many runs joe contributed plus how many runs fred contributed etc but probabilities dont work that way if bob increases his teams chance of winning by 1 in each of 400 pas that does not mean that bob increased his teams chance of winning by 400 in fact it doesnt mean anything because the units are screwy i agree and disagree john is saying that the batters efforts will result in 4 more wins then losses while you are probably correct that 400 does not mean 4 more wins then losses it means something i would rather have a player who increased my teams chances of winning by 1 in each of 400 pas then i would a player who increased my chances of winning by 5 in each of 400 pas thus there appears to me to be an obvious positive association between johns statistic and winning games thus before you disregard this stat it appears to me that further study must go into what sort of relationship there is consider an example bob hits a 2 out solo hr in the bottom of the first about 12 on your scale he does the same thing again in the fourth with the score tied for another 14 and again in the seventh with the score tied for another 22 and finally in the ninth to win the game by a score of 7 6 for a value of 0 5 bob hit 4 solo hr in 4 plate appearances and was credited by your method with 12 14 22 5 98 but what does that mean was bob 98 responsible for the win certainly not the defense is always 50 responsible if you include pitching in that and bob wasnt pitching in fact bob was only 4 7 of the offense which is a lot but not even close to 100 furthermore what about the other 3 team runs say they all came on solo hr by fred then fred was hitting hr to tie up the game which are just as valuable as hr to take the lead see lindsey and fred will himself have accrued a good 4 rating or so so fred and bob combined have amassed 138 of a win in one game theres clearly a problem here the only problem here is an insistance that these number mean exactly how many wins the team has first we are using averages over many seasons and applying them to one game second remember some players performance take away from the chance of you winning that is a player who gets an out gets a negative probability in most cases thus im not sure in any given game when you add up all the numbers for a team who won that they will add up to 1 in that game sometimes they will add up to more then one sometime less than one also the pitchers bad performances giving up 6 runs may have given them a large negative percentage for that game also any batter that pulled an 0 4 night would give large negatives greg thinking about the right things but his intuition is off the mark closers are enormously important the total number of runs value is outweighed by when they come or are prevented from comming the doubling which greg allows is not enough in another article i proposed a test of this we can predict a teams won lost record quite accurately by looking at how many runs total they score and allow without regard to when those runs score in the game if late runs are really more important than early runs then looking only at late runs should lead to a better predictor right no but really only because you have a smaller sample size i would think however that the number of runs you score in the first inning would be just as good as a prediction as how many runs you score in the last inning and realize something else a closer usually comes in in a close situation not a blow out it is hard to argue that any runs that a closer gives up in a game have equal importance to those given up in the first inning look a closer giving up runs often means a team will lose many games on the other hand a starter who gives up runs often still leaves his team a chance to win the offence has many more outs to do something about but i am not saying all late inning situations are equally important either if i am down 8 runs in the ninth it really does not matter how many runs my pitcher gives up in the ninth heres another thought experiment apply this method to basketball what you find is that points scored in the first half of the game have almost exactly no value because no lead is safe with an entire half yet to play furthermore the sub in off the bench who sinks the winning free throws with no time on the clock gets a 1 0 for the game while the star forward who scored 27 points in the first half before spraining his ankle gets a zero does this make sense no but why would you assume that the teams probability of winning would be 0 before the possesion in which the free throws were made look if you are down 1 point with 5 seconds left there is a fairly high probability that you will win the game if you are in possesion of the ball and do not forget that somebody elses missed shots turnovers fouls bad defense etc caused a negative chance that the team would win from reading all of the discussion on this statistic i feel that those who critisize it to a certain extent are doing so out of an agenda at first look this statistic valadates clutchness but it really does not cluthness revolves around the idea that certain players in crucial situation elevate their performance and others performance goes down ive never seen convincing proof that this really happens so if you assume there is no clutchness then that means that except for a lot of noice this statistic has a positive association to player performance there is a way to get rid of the noice if you do not believe in clutchness certainly we could find out what the average value of a home run is for example we may find for instance that a home run increases your chance of winning by 15 on average while a strikeout decreases your chance of winning by 5 i bet if this were done we would find that this statistic was just as good as other statistics we have for predicting wins and losses how do we evaluate relief pitchers say john and sam have the exact same pitching statistics runs earned runs ks bbs etc both had exceptional numbers john however only pitched in closer situations while sam was a mop up man who was more valuble to their team probably john who was the better pitcher they were probably about the same brian smith religion rw is robert weiss the only orthodox christian robert you keep making references to orthodox belief and saying things like it is held that cf kermit thread on what exact body of theology are you drawing for what you call orthodox who is that holds that luke meant what you said he meant whenever your personal interpretation of biblical passages is challenged your only response seems to be that one needs merely to look at the bible in order to see the truth but what of those who see biblical things differently from you are we to simply assume that you are the only one who really understands it just curious rick anderson librba byuvm bitnet guns re armed citizen april 93 in article 1993apr13 162304 16721 lds loral com kendall lds loral com colin kendall 6842 writes in article 1993apr5 164728 10847 dazixco ingr com crphilli hound dazixca ingr com writes the armed citizen mere presence of a firearm without a shot being fired prevents crime in many instances as shown by news reports sent to the armed citizen perhaps so but note that of the accounts cited there was only one in which no shot was fired of the other twelve five described cases in which the assailant was wounded by a shot and six described cases in which the assailant was killed by a shot and had not these citizens accepted the moral responsibility to protect their own lives there could well have been at least 13 innocent victims lying dead and several criminals still out walking the streets perpetrating their crimes on others ron phillips crphilli hound dazixca ingr com senior customer engineer intergraph electronics 381 east evelyn avenue voice 415 691 6473 mountain view ca 94041 fax 415 691 0350 medicine re tuberculosis in article 1993mar25 020646 852 news columbia edu jhl14 cunixa cc columbia edu jonathan h lin writes i was wondering what steps are being taken to prevent the spread of multi drug resistant tuberculosis ive heard that some places are thinking of incarcerating those with the disease doesnt this violate the civil rights of these individuals are there any legal precedents for such action who knows in this legal climate but there is tremendous legal precendent for forcibly quarantining tb patients in sanitariums 100 yrs ago it was done all the time it has been done sporadically all along in patients who wont take their medicine if you have tb you may find yourself under surveilence of the public health department and you may find they have the legal power to insist you make your clinic visits gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars re its a rush was re too fast in article tcora 220493100925 b329 gator 3 pica army mil tcora pica army mil tom coradeschi writes useless road design speed rate discussion deleted actually the roads were designated as safe at 80 when they were built in the 1950s taking into account the kinds of cars then available the number would be much higher today because the cars tires and just about everything else has imprivoved a lot except the drivers thank you travis disclamer the ideas expressed above are in fact the same as my employer since i have none e mail flame at marshatt feserve cc purdue edu windows re telix problem dericks plains nodak edu dale erickson writes when i use telix or kermit in win 3 1 or use telix after exiting windows to dos telix can not find the serial port if you have some ideas on how to solve this problem or where i can find further information send me email or send it to the news group thanks you may have to define your serial ports under windows i think its the control panel ports options dale erickson dericks plains nodak edu mattias mattias hembruch my views do not necessarily reflect those of the tse e mail mhembruc tse com cars subaru shop manuals for sale o subaru service manuals 10 00 this is not a complete set but includes sections 4 5 6 which cover mechanical components suspension wheels axles steering brakes pedals control cables heater ventilator air conditioning body body exterior doors windows seats seat belts interior instrument panel and electrical engine electrical system body electrical system wiring diagram and trouble shooting these are the genuine subaru issue manuals they are for model year 1986 but have plenty of good information that applies to other years as well and as long as im posting end of car stuff o miscellaneous darkroom equipment 75 00 solar enlarger several objective lenses with easel and timer negative carriers for 35mm and 2 1 4 x 3 1 4 misc printing masks developing tanks thermometer trays constant temperature bath ground glass mirrors darkroom lamps glassware el cheap o tripods and as they say much more o beautiful antique buffet 1500 00 solid cherry no veneer handmade with very interesting dovetail corners in the drawers built we think around 1880 not gaudy or covered with gew gaws a simple elegant piece of furniture but too big 60 long 37 tall 24 deep for our little cape cod house will deliver pricier items ie over 10 anywhere in the rochester area and will consider delivering the others will deliver any of it on uofr campus between now and graduation call or e mail paul or mary 716 359 2350 just south of rochester ny plkg ltd uhura cc rochester edu baseball re bosio no hits red soxs 11swhitfield gallua gallaudet edu writes chris bosio a seattle ms pitcher just no hit the red sox 7 0 this is the second no hitter in seattle history randy johnson got the first also this was bosios first career no hitter this is mlb first no hitter this year go ms trivia time ok we all know that dave my batting average is down in the valle caught chris bosios no hitter last night and is batting over 300 btw here is the question who caught randy johnsons no hitter in june of 1990 hint not dave valle the mad kobold is douglas todd norris n9143349 henson cc wwu edu depeche mode u2 they might be giants inxs o m d a ha the police exercise your basic rights we could build a building site from the bricks of shame is built the hope depeche mode if you want van canucks sea supersonics sea mariners sea seahawks 2 0 1st rnd 53 26 2nd 6 8 5th 2 14 5th congratulations to chris bosio mariners on his no hitter of boston religion re food for thought on tyre i was curious to check out how many san jose mercury news mentioned tyre 1990 92 heres the outcome from the research condenced versions copyright san jose mercury news bombings in the two largest cities in southern lebanon killed 11 people and wounded 80 others a car bomb blew up in tyre killing 10 people and wounding 75 a man was killed and five others seriously wounded in an explosion in nabatiye an israeli navy patrol boat attacked and sank a rubber guerrilla boat off southern lebanon early today killing the two men aboard the army command said it said in a communique that a dvora patrol boat opened fire on the motorized rubber dinghy north of tyre after identifying it as hostile the army said no one on the israeli boat was injured the affiliation of the slain guerrillas was not immediately known rival factions of the guerrilla group led by terrorist mastermind abu nidal battled sunday in tyre lebanon with machine guns and rocket propelled grenades killing at least four people and wounding 15 police said lebanons mainstream shiite muslim militia said thursday that it had uncovered a network of tunnels in a southern lebanese village where it said pro iranian kidnappers had held western hostages officials of the militia amal led local journalists through the catacomb like alleys and showed them two cells with iron doors at the village kawthariyet al siyad near tyre the ancient port city about 40 miles south of beirut the officials said they were certain that u s marine lt col william r higgins was detained there shortly after he was seized by gunmen on a road outside tyre in february 1988 anyway i counted 20 articles during these 3 years of reporting i also found out the possible reason why the numbers for the inhabitants of the city is defined between 14000 and 24000 it seems that tyre is one of the places where people from libanon flee to during more extensive bombings so theres a constant flow of refugees entering and leaving tyre articles mentioned thousands of people entering and leaving this place i counted 0 articles for my home town kristinestad so from now i will consider this place to be a fishing village cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net guns re rewording the second amendment ideas dfo vttoulu tko vtt fi foxvog douglas writes viking iastate edu dan sorenson writes that really depends upon where you draw the line while defining these weapons this means you would support a ban if it were narrow enough good very narrow very very narrow if youll recall i was the nut that advocated the possibility of tactical nukes being militia weapons in certain situations how can you possibly define what is a weapon and what isnt is only the start of this and also on if you intend the law to be reflective of modern practice five months or five centuries down the road i would hope so lets define a nuclear weapon as an explosive weapon whose majority of energy comes from fission and or fusion of atomic nuclei and youve just described any civilian reactor because your definition fails to note what energy is being considered reactors blow with a steam explosion but the majority of energy still comes from fission or fusion because that is what heated the coolant see what a can of worms this is last i heard ft calhoun station just north of omaha nebraska wasnt considered a weapon given the sodium cooled breeder designs on the blocks now i can easily envision reactors being household appliances in under twenty years with the prism design there is no operator input needed on the reactor itself and it is not unreasonable to assume the secondary side can be made equally as automatic in the future so your definition is flawed in a few respects already lets define a biological weapon as live organisms or viruses in such state quantity and with such a vector that they could cause death or serious disease further defined to a significant number of people if released in a city similarly populated area resevoir or cropland typhoid mary would likely fit this bill if she sneezed if you dont mind extrapolation any hiv positive person also fits this bill if they interact with others in a way that stands any chance of spreading the virus finally that manure pile i mention below fits this definition as does say releasing a pet rattlesnake to the wild nerve gas and mustard gas are well defined other poisonous gasses should be individually banned only if it can be shown that there is no use not related to weaponry licenses should be available for research purposes on such chemicals and i can show where any such gas has other uses for example perhaps we would like to rid the hay field of gophers calcium carbide is a rock that dissolves in water to produce aceteylne gas it can be used for welding in miners lamps for gassing gophers or for making carbide bombs and doing some illicit fishing toss some in a toilet and leave a lighted cigarette on the seat and youll see that it can also be a weapon just like any other flammable substance so now my miners lamps wont work i cant do any welding and i still have those pesky gophers i am not a lawyer but these ideas could certainly be a basis for definitions the basis for but im sure you see that the problem is not in writing a law it is in writing a law that cannot be abused and extended beyond the point where it does any good ill give you a little hint see that manure pile in the farmers field down the road in the usa that is a weapon of mass destruction nope it is not considered a weapon it is under your proposed law so is a silage pit if there is run off so are underground fuel tanks biological in nature because if it gets washed into an open well it will contaminate the aquifers that supply thousands of cities with drinking water so where do you draw the line in the usa the epa has ruled that a pile of scrap iron is illegal care to draw a thinner line this time it is not defined as a weapon of mass destruction many things are banned for other reasons it meets all the criterion of a weapon it is an instrument that can be used for fighting even though that is not its intended purpose and despite there being better weapons around given that the aquifers supply a significant part of the country with drinking water mass destruction is rather a given its not that certain weapons arent something id rather not see a lot of people having the problem is that it is nearly impossible to write a law such that it cannot be abused upon some pretext or another the looser your definition the more ripe for abuse that law is furthermore if you get specific then the old standby is to insert a clause allowing the list of banned things to be added to generally without going through the hassles of another vote and public reading of the law again ripe for abuse dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them baseball predicted runs from lineup some time back in this newsgroup i seem to recall a thread about predicting the runs a given lineup of 9 batters could be expected to score given the appropriate statistical alphabet soup for these hitters obp slg avg bat length hat size day of the week weather conditions etc anyway was i dreaming or is there some such animal my apologies if this has been covered recently i probably get to read 10 of the articles posted here no time many thanks in advance scotty m scott walsh scottwa pogo wv tek com tektronix inc graphics printing imaging products ibd 503 685 3622 cars re ad said nissan altima best seller spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com wrote but waiiiiiit isnt nissan officially registering the car as far as government paperwork goes nissan stanza altima to avoid costly and lengthy paperwork i read this on the net a while ago and someone actually may have said theres a little stanza logo on the altima somewhere i just bought an altima and like it very much and yes there is a little stanza logo ever so discretely placed on the trunk the altima is emblazoned in big silver letters but the itsy bitsy stanza is shunted to the far left of the trunk lid you can only see it if you get up close to the car and know where to look it is very inconspicuous in fact my first clue that this was a stanza was that the owners manual called the car a nissan stanza altima anybody know why nissan did it this way mark goldsworthy windows re permanaent swap file with dos 6 0 dbldisk in article 93059 hydra gatech edu gt4356c prism gatech edu james dean barwick writes stuff deleted more on permenent swap files im sure everyone who has an uncompressed part of their compressed hard disk has seen the message you have selected a swap file greater than the suggested size windows will only use the size suggested do you want to create this swap file anyway or something like that well a friend of mine robert called microsoft and asked them what and why what they said is that windows checks the amount of free disk space and divides that number by 2 then it checks for the largest contiguous block of free disk space windows then suggests the smaller of the two numbers they also said that under absolutely no circumstances none will windows uses a swap file larger than the suggested size well thats what he said i call bull if this is true why does windows report the memory is available to me if its not going to use it any takers james well someone at microsoft told you wrong windows will use a swap file larger than the recommended size last summer i went to a microsoft windows 3 1 technical workshop and they distributed a lot of information that the general public might not be aware of anyway in the main book they handed out they have a section on creating larger than recommended swapfile ill quote the information if you create a permanent swapfile larger than the recommended size you will receive a message telling you that windows will not use anything larger than the recommended size this error message is incorrect we will allow the use of the larger swapfile up to four times the amount of ram on your machine so as you see microsoft does know that the information is incorrect you probably just ran into some doofball who was new on the job and was only telling you what little he knew be that what it may i would really suggest to everyone to take the opportunity to go to these technical workshops they arent actually incredibly in depth but you do get a lot of material about bugs and optimization straight from those in the know besides that they offer you huge discounts on software if i remember correctly you could pick up word 2 0 excel 4 0 or whatever their presentation program is for 130 that is the full blown version not an upgrade or educational version you could also pick up microsoft office for 500 or something like that myself i sprang for word well hope that was helpful to someone and besides that i hope someone will go to a workshop and save a little money and if anyone at microsoft is reading this i really love your products i need a job once i graduate also can we work something out thanks brent casavant bcasavan mailhost ecn uoknor edu windows re atm or truetype which to choose tt for true effects for windows games max u washington edu writes in article 1993apr3 174759 15377 seas gwu edu lai seas gwu edu william y lai writes in article 1ov6rj gev gabriel keele ac uk csd25 keele ac uk c m yearsley writes ive just bought a pc which came with a bundle of lotus stuff including adobe type manager version 1 15 as a newcomer to windows im confused about which i should be using atm or truetype there is a program called true effects for windows that allows you to define attributes for true type fonts and have them look like new fonts it will give your font different backgrounds or shadows or reverse etc it only works with tt fonts yes and the idea was ripped off from adobe which has had a program called typealign for a few years now typealign does the same thing for adobe type 1 fonts and adobe has said that the next version will work with both adobe type 1 and truetype and typealign does some things that trueeffects does not including some things you apparently want if you want to use it you best not want to use it with an atm type font oh yeah lest you think this is a really cool program none of the effects are scalable like the brick background pattern is the same size whether your font is 10 point of 100 point and it is not extensible i e you can not add pattern of your own and you cant rorate the background pattern and you cant make the pattern extend beyond one character every character in that new font has the entire pattern in it as opposed to having the same pattern run contiguously through a couple of characters it is however cheap maybe i will buy a copy when the next version comes out if they fix some of these gripes john cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr14 203800 12566 progress com damelio progress com stephen damelio writes bmoss grinch sim es com brent woody moss writes you could take a screw driver and hammer and start punching holes in various locations and when some black slippery stuff starts pouring out then you would know that the oil drain plug is nearby within a foot or two anyway close the holes with toilet paper before refileing with oil though you have to refill the engine with oil wow no wonder i cant get an engine to last more than my first oil change dont forget to punch holes in the radiator too it will spray nice refreshing water on the engine and keep it nice cool steve gee you really make me confused what is radiator where is it located what does it look like will it release any radiation since it sounds like radia tion genera tor when you punch holes hanguyen windows re help with changing startup logo there has been a long running discussion over changing the startup logo for windows for a few weeks here while all the copy methods are great havent seen any mention of a program that will do it for you well i found one on cica called winlogo cant remember where unfortuantely and it seems to work real well even comes with a couple example rle files what id really like though is a way to create rle files myself specifically the rle4 format mentioned in the winlogo readme file can anyone point me in the direction of such a beast with a real directory path all the ones ive seen mentioned didnt pan out e mail un x oddjob oz plymouth edu vms andys psc plymouth edu disclaimer any end user software that provides no avenue for user of the week modification or programmability is not user friendly religion re davidians and compassion in article c5slas b68 blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu ken arromdee writes in article sandvik 190493200420 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes so we have this highly christian religious order that put fire on their house killing most of the people inside we have no way to know that the cultists burned the house it could have been the batf and fbi we only have the governments word for it after all and people who started it by a no knock search with concussion grenades are hardly disinterested observers nor to point out the obvious are the deluded siege mentality followers of a religious nut case who thought he was jesus christ or possibly the big guy personally much as i regard the batf and fbi as condupes ill take their word over a bunch of silly pinks who were stoopid enough to lock themselves up with a goofball like david koresh in a makeshift arsenal the doge of south st louis dobbs approved media conspirator tm one step beyond sundays 3 to 5 pm 88 1 fm st louis community radio youll pay to know what you really think j r bob dobbs windows speeding up windows i have a 386 33 with 8 megs of memory i have noticed that lately when i use programs like wpfw or corel draw my computer boggs down and becomes really sluggish what can i do to increase performance what should i turn on or off will not loading wallpapers or stuff like that help when it comes to the running speed of windows and the programs that run under it thanx in advance derek derek j p serianni e mail djserian flash lakeheadu ca o o sociologist its 106 miles to chicago weve got a full tank lakehead university of gas half a pack of cigarettes its dark and u thunder bay ontario were wearing sunglasses elwood blues windows looking for printer driver im looking for a c itoh printer driver for windows 3 1 does anybody happen to know where i could find such a beast thanks in advance jerry look ma no signature guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5sv88 hjy news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes do you eat all your food cold ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves very popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially the dividians didnt have that option after the fbi cut off their electricity flag burners dont bother me as much as seeing the american flag on tanks assaulting the church of americans who had never bothered anyone cars re warning please read in article neilson 93apr15135919 seoul mpr ca neilson seoul mpr ca robert neilson writes sorry for the 0 auto content but that is why low abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is imminent steve heracleous you do have the power steve you can do it why dont you why dont you go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars make sure you do a good job though dont miss cause like they have big rocks and take it from me those kids are mean this last comment was obviously a bit cynical but a true statement of the attitude of some drivers theres your autos content i would say what law abiding not low abiding as above talk about freudian slips citizens have the right and responsibility to do is try to prevent this type of behaviour in children a doctor may have to use deadly force against a part of a body like amputating it when an infection disease has gone too far but his real desire would have been to prevent the disease in the first place or at least nip it in the bud followups should go to alt parents teens fred w bach operations group internet music erich triumf ca triumf tri university meson facility voice 604 222 1047 loc 327 278 4004 wesbrook mall ubc campus fax 604 222 1074 university of british columbia vancouver b c canada v6t 2a3 these are my opinions which should only make you read think and question they do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers medicine is an oral form of imitrex sumatriptan available in ca sumatriptan imitrex just became available in the us in a subcutaneous injectable form is there an oral form available in ca a friend yes really not me has severe migranes about 2 3 times per week we live right by the ca border and he has gotten drugs for gerd prescribed by a us physician and filled in a ca pharmacy but not yet fda approved in the us what would be the cost of the oral form in ca also if anyone would have that info thanks windows re pc geos windows os 2 and unix x11 in article sehari 734022369 vincent2 iastate edu sehari iastate edu babak sehari writes with my limited knowladge about the pc geos i came out with following comparison pc geos windows os 2 unix x11 1 can run dos programs yes yes yes yes needed add lines deleted 7 price 120 70 120 free 1000s a good one costs 400 700 avaliable on ext card too 8 c compiler dont think so yap yap yap 9 c no yap yap yap 10 fortran no yap yap yap 11 debuger yap yap yap 12 min to run dos 2m 10mb hard 386 you guys and gals add to this list so we do not throw our many down the tubes with highest regards babak sehari this list appears to imply that ms windows that has a cost listed above at 70 comes with a c compiler c and fortran it does not of course these are expensive add ons that drive the price way beyond 70 i dont know if the same applies to os 2 as far as unix is concerned there is a free unix linux that has cc c fortran f2c xwindows and many other features besides with a large number of utilities that can be optionally added and there is also a free 386bsd i believe both these unixs are quite robust you can check out comp os linux if you dont want to throw our many down the tubes youve got to break that list down a little more roderick campbell department of physics memorial university of newfoundland st johns nf canada internet rcampbel weejordy physics mun ca medicine sciatica ideas for the relief of sciatica please respond to my e mail cars production hold on 93 firebird camaro w 6 speed after a tip from gary crum crum fcom cc utah edu i got on the phone with pontiac systems or pontaic customer service or whatever and inquired about a rumoured production hold on the formula firebird and trans am btw talking with the dealer i bought the car from got me nowhere after being routed to a firebird specialist i was able to confirm that this is in fact the case at first there was some problem with the 3 23 performance axle ratio she wouldnt go into any details so i dont know if there were some shipped that had problems or if production was held up because they simply didnt have the proper parts from the supplier as i say she was pretty vague on that so if anyone else knows anything about this feel free to respond supposedly this problem is now solved second there is a definate shortage of parts that is somehow related to the six speed manual transmission so as of this posting there is a production hold on these cars she claimed part of the delay was not wanting to use inferior quality parts for the car and therefore having to wait for the right high quality parts im not positive that this applies to the camaro as well but im guessing it would can anyone else shed some light on this chris s chris silvester any man capable of getting himself elected president chriss sam amgen com should by no means be allowed to do the job chriss netcom com douglas adams the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy medicine re krillean photography in reply to todamhyp charles unlv edus message of mon 19 apr 93 20 56 15 gmt newsgroups sci energy sci image processing sci anthropology alt sci physics new theories sci skeptic sci med alt alien visitors subject re krillean photography references 1993apr19 205615 1013 unlv edu distribution text follows this line todamhyp charles unlv edu brian m huey writes i am looking for any information supplies that will allow do it yourselfers to take krillean pictures im thinking that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for sale but i dont know any of the companies any info is greatly appreciated in case you dont know krillean photography to the best of my knowledge involves taking pictures of an most of the time organic object between charged plates the picture will show energy patterns or spikes around the object photographed and depending on what type of object it is the spikes or energy patterns will vary one might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within the universe as we know it has its own energy signature there have been a number of scientific papers in peer reviewed journals published about kirlian photography in the early 1970s sorry i cant be more specific but it is a long time since i read them they would describe what is needed and how to set up the apparatus these papers demonstrate that the auras obtained by kirlian photography can be completely explained by the effect of the electric currents used on the moisture in the object being photographed it has nothing to do with the energy signature of organic objects i did a science project on kirlian photography when i was in high school i was able to obtain wonderful auras from rocks and pebbles and the like by first dunking them in water barbara bls101 syseng anu edu au i generally avoid temptation unless i cant resist it mae west cars re did us drive on the left left hand steering wheel placement was not standard until the 20s in the us driving on the right has been standard since standards came into being interestingly chrysler has just begun building right hand drive cars again for export to japan cars re sport utility vehical comparisons any opinions from article 1r1i7minn4n4 cronkite cisco com by kmac cisco com karl elvis macrae i just read articals on this in road and track and car and driver is that one mag or two b and i was wondering if people out there have any opinions that differed from what these mags have to say im looking at the following three suvs anyone whos driven all three have any strong opinions ford explorer toyota 4runner nissan pathfinder currently im leaning toward the toyota cause ive had big success with toyota trucks in the past and cause i think its the best looking of the three but i thought id see if anyone has any strong opinions thanks karl i agree that the toyota is the best looking i just didnt fit plus it is the highest cost of all the ones you mentioned i have good friends who have all three of the trucks you talked about the ones with kids all went to the ford because of the room required to carry a couple of kids and all the junk you need the single ones went for the toyota and the nissan every one has been happy with what they bought although no one is into serious four wheel off road driving karl elvis macrae software release support cisco systems kmac cisco com or batman cisco com 415 688 8231 dod 1999 fj1200 shovels and rakes and implements of destruction arlo guthrie bentz puryear 303 488 6120 ncsc8 bep at t tsc 8300 e maplewood ave englewood colorado 80111 powder skiing the path to salvation windows ati ultra pro confirmation i have heard many things about the ati ultra pro card some have been positive but most are negative could people please confirm these i am interested in the eisa version in particular 1 the card does not work in a system with 32m ram 2 the card works in a 32m system with some switches set but it is much slower 3 the card is interlaced in its 24bit true colour modes 4 the latest build 59 drivers still do not work in many cases 5 this card is the fastest full colour card for the money 6 this card is the greatest thing since sliced bread thanks for your feedback i will summarize al alan walford eos systems inc vancouver b c canada tel 604 734 8655 aew eosvcr wimsey bc ca or uunet wimsey bc ca eosvcr aew baseball re bonilla in article 1993apr23 200913 6611 island com fester island com mike fester writes in article 1993apr21 012139 13444 princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig writes when i say black i mean us born black people for the purposes of this discussion hispanic players were in baseball before 1947 and one team in the 50s signed lots of hispanics because they went over better with the local audience than blacks did what about black hispanics good question its my impression not backed by evidence that general south of the borderness seems to exempt one from the hiring firing effect i was talking about back in the 20s there were some attempts to hire black cuban ballplayers they were rejected by the commissioner and others and why would more hispanics stick around than blacks dont know but remember this is the country that had special racial laws for one group and one group only blacks our national history man you had better do some serious reading i really really doubt that you meant to say this well what did i mean to say aside from some short lived exceptions such as japanese internment in ww ii only blacks were affected by laws regarding slavery jim crow miscegenation military service etc if my claim of exclusivity is not 100 airtight that is if you can come up with this or that exception fine have a cookie but compared to this list no other racial group put up with a legal onslaught worth discussing at length roger cars re mgbs and the real world in article 1993apr8 095119 5367 hasler ascom ch kevinh hasler ascom ch writes oh yeah i had a 1975 1275gt mini and even before i did anything to it it could leave an mgb standing anywhere except perhaps on a long straight motorway run at 90 people who bought mgb s bought them because they were an open topped sportscar and embodied what people thought they should for an old fashioned traditional brit sportscar not because they were great at anything pretty much like the people who buy the mazda mx 5 miata today small fun and you can fool yourself and a lot of other people that you have the performance of many far superior and much more expensive performnace cars derek tearne derek nezsdc icl co nz fujitsu new zealand some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental consequences of an accident with the new iridium enriched fusion reactor if it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive they said windows re floorplan layout program in article 737316832 chemical watstar uwaterloo ca gmills chemical watstar uwaterloo ca phil trodwell writes hi im desperately seeking a preferably shareware program to assist in the architectural layout of a house floorplan does something like this exist other than basic cad programs please e mail i dont always get to the news before it expires thanks in advance phil trodwell the best ive seen is visio runs under windows its not shareware however gary williamson aka wwilliam polaris orl mmc com orlando florida cars re wife wants convertible nuet ke pts mot com keith nuetzman x3153 p7625 writes help my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car jp vllyoak resun com jeff perry writes fyi just last week the pbs show motor week gave the results of what they thought were the best cars for 93 in the convertible category the honda civic del sol achieved this honor the one down side i see with the car is its interior it looks inexpensive and dull i own a del sol and i must vouch for the interior i really looks snazzy when the top is off i looks a lot better in person than on the television i saw that motorweek as well needless to say i was smiling a bit by the time it was over watch out for that darned convertible tan tho diane dspalme mke ab comm religion re merlin mithras and magick in article joshua 93apr19183833 bailey cpac washington edu joshua cpac washington edu joshua geller wrote in article pegasus 150493132018 fp1 dialin 4 uoregon edu pegasus aaa uoregon edu laurieewbrandt writes lewb lets add to those percentages 13 15 for the orphaic docterians brought lewb to the group by paul saul who was a high ranking initiate on the lewb development of orphaic mysteries see jane harrisons prolegomena to the lewb study of greek religion cambridge u press 1922 and you can easly draw lewb your own conclusions josh perhaps you can quote just a bit of her argument love to but i must do it a bit later my copy of harrison in packed but the last chapter as best as i can rember deals with orphic mysteries and their views of women though she does not come out and say it it is strongly implyed that the christian view was drawn heavly from the orphic and other major cults of the time pegasus windows what is regload exe perusing through my windows 3 1 directory i came across a file called regload exe i assume this is part of the registration database but neither my windows manual win resource kit nor pc mags description of files in the windows directory had a reference to it at least not one that i could find does regedit exe use it or am i way off base peter goudswaard goudswaa sfu ca preferred pgoudswa cln etc bc ca pgoudswa cue bc ca theres no gift like the present goudswaards observation medicine re allergic reactions against laser printers in sci med rdd uts ipp garching mpg de reinhard drube writes hello does anyone know about allergic reactions caused by the developer toner of laser printers what chemical stuff is involved thanks in advance reinhard email rdd ibma ipp garching mpg de do i ever after 2 years of having health problems that had been cleared up w allery shots and not knowing why i went and was re tested i actually did better than when i had been tested 2 years ago then putting 2 2 together i realized that it all started back up when the laser printer came into the office i kept track of the usage and on hi use days i was worse i got better over the weekends the laser printer is gone im 100 better whether it is the toner dust or chemicals i dont know i am highly allergic to dust but it definitely was the laser printer brenda peters carderock div nswc david taylor model basin bethesda md 20084 e mail cape dtvms dt navy mil or bpeters oasys dt navy mil cars re locking lugnuts tire rebalance in rec autos mas skcla monsanto com writes xif you put a locking lugnut on your tires do you need to have your xtires rebalanced x xjohn mas x xe mail address mas skcla monsanto com since the wheel tire is balanced off the car i e the lugnuts are not normally involved how would they do that i would think that since the lugs are so close to the center of rotation any slight difference in weight between a normal lugnut and a locking one would not have any noticable effect on the balance i could be wrong it is friday afternoon mack costello mcostell oasys dt navy mil code 65 1 formerly 1720 1 david taylor model basin carderock division hq nswc bethesda md 20084 5000 phone 301 227 2431 baseball re rule book trivia 2 in article 93109 145942io20456 maine maine edu ryan robbins io20456 maine maine edu writes if i were the manager id argue that the runner was out of the base line since he was to the left of the first base line if the umps dont budge which they wont they nev er admit when they are wrong id file a protest with the league rule 7 09 k states it is interference by a batter or runner when in running the last half of the distance from home base to first base he runs outside the three foot line or inside to the left of the foul line and in the umpires judgment interferes with the field er taking the throw at first base the key word in the rule is and a runner isnt out just for running out of the baseline hes out for interfering with the fielding of the ball or throw or fielding of the throw to first because the catcher opted to throw the ball over the batter runners head theres no inter ference so what is your definition of interfering with the fielder taking the throw the rule book certainly doesnt have a definiton or clarification so its possible to interpret the rule as saying that if the catcher has to alter his throw to avoid hitting the batter runner then again we have interference you know it seems that there is no way to apply this rule justly if the catcher or the pitcher say rob dibble for example throws toward first and hits the runner running inside the baseline the fielder takes the chance of being ejected therefore he probably would throw around the runner or your scenario above him you should note that in our american legion league which uses mlb rules we interpret the rule to say in this very circumstance there is interference per rule 7 09 rstimets windows list of favorite windows goodies is anyone maintaining a list of favorite shareware and public domain windows software i have several such lists for msdos but they are really light on windows stuff david arnstein international imaging systems arnstein iis sun com religion re what right in article 1993apr22 133142 23772 ifi uio no joakimr ifi uio no joakim ruud writes recently ive asked myself a rather interesting question what right does god have on our lives always assuming there is a god of course he is god in his infinite wisdom he made it perfectly clear that if we dont live according to his rules we will burn in hell well with what right can god make that desicion he is god lets say for the sake of argument that god creates every one of us directly or indirectly it doesnt matter what then happens is that he first creates us and then turns us lose well i didnt ask to be created god granted you the gift of life whether you were sinner or saint lets make an analogue if a scientist creates a unique living creature which has happened it was even patented does he then have the right to expect it to behave in a certain matter or die the scientist creates the living creature to examine it poke and prod it and learn about its behaviour he will kill it if it becomes a threat for example lets say the scientist creates a tyrannosaurus rex and it breaks free of its confines and starts devouring the population the scientist would not hesitate in killing it god creates us to be his loving companions he knows whether we are true in our love for him or not and he lets us know the consequences of rejecting him god cannot abide by sin by rejecting god a person becomes an enemy of god one that must be killed by him note i say that god and god alone is worthy to be judge jury and executioner we are not called to carry out such duties because we are not worthy who is god to impose its rules on us who can tell if god is really so righteous as god likes us to believe are all christians a flock of sheep unable to do otherwise that follow the rest god is god who are we to question the creator if you doubt gods doing in certain situations do you claim to know a better solution would you be playing the role of god hmmmmmmmmmmmm i just want to point out that this is not sarcasm i mean it how should one deal with a man who is convinced that he is acting according to gods will and who there jokke fore believes that he is doing you a favour by stabbing you in the back voltaire medicine brain tumor treatment thanks there were a few people who responded to my request for info on treatment for astrocytomas through email whom i couldnt thank directly because of mail bouncing probs sean debra and sharon so i thought id publicly thank everyone thanks im sure glad i accidentally hit rn instead of rm when i was trying to delete a file last september hmmm news whats this brian guns slick rushie tries to have it both ways again today rush was criticizing clinton for not claiming responsibility for the actions and decisions of janet reno and the fbi early enough to suit rush about 2 months ago rush was chortling over the fact that reagan has stumped special persecutor walsh with his croaking of i dont remember when asked about ollie north if rushs criticism of clinton were to be applied to reagan and north reagan would have been impeached while north was convicted and overturned on a technicality gosh rush sure wants to have it both ways clinton must be held responsible but reagan was clever by using the amnesia defense maybe thats waht clinton should say about campaign promises and such well there you go again rush but to tell the truth i wasnt in the loop and i just dont remember cars re what is volvo wolfson regatta sps mot com stephen wolfson writes in article 1993mar31 193406 29625 ugle unit no oep colargol edb tih no oep writes which turns into a teenagers car when it gets old the average lifelength of a volvo in norway is 18 years and in sweden 20 years of course someone pointed out when saab or volvo was running their at least 10 years ads that the average milage was significantly less than than the us average that my be but every volvo ive ever owned has lasted far longer than most other cars 1981 volvo 245 125 000 miles still on the road 1983 volvo 242 195 000 miles still on the road 1984 volvo 244 175 000 miles still on the road and ill admit the dealer repair cost is high but with some mechanical aptitude of your own and finding a good indi mechanic you can avoid most breakdowns and make the rest cheap the sum total of the repairs on the car with 195 000 miles has been 2 mufflers and a radiator whoa bad repair record and all of these cars are driven fairly hard none of them are at the head of a line of cars going 30 mph the first two spend a lot of their operating life with the speedometer pegged and the only reason the 84 doesnt is it has a 120 mph speedo what i want to know is have all you people who hate volvos been traumatized by someone in a 745 turbo wagon blowing you away on the road or what baseball all time peak players last week i posted the all time greatest players and haphazardly misspelled several names sorry this week its time for the greatest peak players i evaluated the following players on 4 consectutive seasons which constituted their prime or peak years 3 was too few 5 seemed to many so i settled for 4 sources as usual include total baseball 1993 and my own biased opinions here goes feel free to comment 1 ted williams includes season after war missed actual peak years 2 babe ruth 3 walter johnson 4 mickey mantle 5 mike schmidt actual peak year shortened by strike 6 barrry bonds currently at peak 7 honus wagner 8 ty cobb 9 tris speaker 10 willie mays 11 lefty grove 12 sandy koufax 13 joe morgan 14 ed walsh 15 christy mathewson 16 lou gehrig 17 jimmie foxx 18 cal ripken jr 19 pete alexander 20 cy young 21 tim raines 22 rickey henderson again strike year 81 included 23 carl yastrzemski 24 jackie robinson 25 joe dimaggio 26 rogers hornsby 27 george sisler 28 eddie collins 29 hank aaron 30 stan musial 31 joe jackson 32 wade boggs 33 charlie gehringer 34 ernie banks 35 bob gibson 36 carl hubbell 37 robin yount 38 rod carew 39 chuck klein 40 willie mccovey 41 frank robinson 42 tom seaver 43 roger clemens arguably still in peak 44 mel ott 45 frank baker 46 nap lajoie peak came in suspect league 47 dizzy trout 48 george brett 49 mordecai brown 50 ryne sandberg 1b peak 1 gehrig 2 foxx 3 sisler 4 mccovey 5 greenberg 6 frank thomas projected sorry 7 dick allen 8 johnny mize 9 eddie murray yes mr consistency had a peak 10 bill terry 2b 1 morgan 2 j robinson 3 collins 4 hornsby 5 gehringer 6 carew treated as a 2b even though played 1b 7 sandberg 8 bobby grich 9 nap lajoie 10 bill herman mazeroski tough call 3b 1 schmidt 2 boggs 3 f baker 4 brett 5 ed mathews 6 ron santo 7 harland clift 8 ken boyer 9 buddy bell 10 darrell evans ss 1 wagner 2 ripken 3 banks 4 yount 5 john lloyd estimated 6 arky vaughan 7 barry larkin still in peak 8 lou boudreau 9 ozzie smith 10 joe sewell lf 1 williams 2 ba bonds 3 raines 4 henderson actually had 2 peaks 80 83 83 86 5 yastrzemski 6 musial 7 j jackson 8 ralph kiner 9 al simmons 10 george foster 11 willie stargell cf 1 mantle 2 cobb 3 speaker 4 mays 5 dimaggio 6 oscar charleston again estimated 7 duke snider 8 ken griffey jr personal assumption 9 kirby puckett 10 richie ashburn 11 dale murphy strike season rf 1 ruth 2 aaron 3 klein 4 f robinson 5 ott 6 roberto clemente 7 tony gwynn 8 dave parker 9 reggie jackson 10 harry heilmann 11 jose canseco 12 darryl strawberry c 1 josh gibson estimated 2 mickey cochrane 3 gary carter 4 johnny bench 5 roy campanella 6 yogi berra 7 bill dickey 8 gabby hartnett 9 elston howard 10 ted simmons 11 joe torre p 1 w johnson 2 grove 3 koufax 4 walsh 5 mathewson 6 alexander 7 young 8 gibson 9 hubbell 10 seaver 11 clemens 12 satchel paige estimated 13 d trout 14 juan marichal 15 mordecai brown 16 joe wood 17 dave steib 18 jim palmer 19 bob lemon 20 fergie jenkins rp 1 who cares i hope there are some surprises here raines above muisial carter above bench ripken above banks bonds above mays check the numbers of each player in comparison to the numbers of the rest of the players that year s and youll see that im fairly close with this ranking system which is primarily based on total player rating for four consecutive years enjoy mike baseball re my belated predictions nl in article mssc4zyo8 jsc netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes in article apr 4 19 42 08 1993 12176 pilot njin net gajarsky pilot njin net bob gajarsky hobokenite writes ive said the braves would improve by injury as well heres how javier lopez is a better catcher than greg olson ryan klasko is a better firstbaseman than bream chipper jones is a better shortstop than anyone the braves put out there mel nieves is better than nixon sanders thats how it forces them to play the young guys bob gaj i continue to be amazed at these comments while lopez might some day be a better catcher than olson i find it totally amazing for you to suggest that this 22 year old with three seasons of professional baseball is now better than olson a five year mlb veteran who is noted for his ability to call a game and who has a better than average arm oh perhaps you are talking about hitting well sure lopez might hit better perhaps he probably will but has there ever in the history of baseball been a 22 year old or younger rookie catcher who compared favorably among all league catchers in terms of defense and brought a 247 bat wasnt it yes ivan rodriguez last year batted 260 and threw out 51 of the baserunners not too shabby for a rookie from aa 20 years old last year sandy alomar who was supposed to be that good in his rookie year not wasnt it benito santiago who was supposed to be that good in his rookie year not i can continue this thread with the others mentioned but you get the point you and others seem to be so quick to dismiss the seasoned veterans in favor of the hot young rookies perhaps just perhaps the management team of the pennant winning braves knows something more than you do and perhaps what they know is that very very few 21 and 22 year old rookies come up to the majors and make an impact the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com roy f cabaniss wait till tommy meets the lord and western kentucky university finds out that hes wearing pinstripes all opinions contained herein gaylord perry talking about lasorda are all mine own and thats the sin baseball what a way to spend a day cars re mr2 noisy engine in article 1r1vofinn871 usenet pa dec com tomacj opco enet dec com thunderbirds are go writes are there any mr2 owners or motor head gurus out there that know why my mr2s engine sounds noisy the mr2s engine is noisy at the best of times but not even a nice nose its one of those very ugly noises assuming yours is a non turbo mr2 the gruffness is characteristic of a large inline 4 that doesnt have balance shafts i guess toyota didnt care about little details like that when they can brag about the mid engine configuration and the flashy styling myself i automatically cross out any car from consideration or recommendation which has an inline 4 larger than 2 liters and no balance shafts it is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind if you ever want a halfway decent engine if the noise really bugs you there is nothing else that you can do except to sell it and get a v6 eliot windows re windows speaker sound driver in article 1993apr19 235430 6097 mnemosyne cs du edu alee mnemosyne cs du edu alec lee writes is there an ftp site where i can get the ms speaker sound driver theres a sound exe file that claims to be the driver but im suspicious since its not a drv file thanks alec lee the sound exe is actually a self extracting script which includes the drv file works great eric guns re blast them next time in article 1r19l9 7dv usenet ins cwru edu oldham ces cwru edu daniel oldham writes the batf needs more people better weapons and more armored transports when they meet hostile fire they should be able to use more force instead of retreating to a stand off if you are going to do a job then do it right the batf is there to protect us and they must have the proper equipment and people to do the job the batf is there to collect taxes not to protect your sorry ass or mine with the wod and the increased crime in the streets the batf is needed more now then ever if they blast away a few good fokes then that is the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country all flame bait of course if you really want to be flame bait send me your address and ill tell the batf about those automatic weapons you have stockpiled youll be warm in no time cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars master cylinder thanks to everyone who responded to my honda accord break question it does seem that the master cylinder is bad i will have my mechanic double check and be sure it isnt something simpler and cheaper first but from your responses it sounds like it is very likely to be the master cylinder thanks everyone joni baseball re some baseball trivia in article texdude 735595914 cs1 bradley edu texdude cs1 bradley edu philip allen writes who holds the record for most career strikeouts while playing for one team who holds the record for most career strikeouts for the rangers hint nolan ryan isnt either what two pitchers have over 100 career saves for two different teams who is the only player to hit 300 or more career home runs and steal 300 or more career bases for the same team no fair peeking at your baseball stats phil allen texdude cs1 bradley edu ill post my guesses to some of these and other trivia questions posted for most career ks with one team if its not ryan perhaps steve carlton with the rangers hough was there for a long time in the 100 saves department maybe lee smith he should have at least a hundred with the cubbies maybe enough with either the rsox or cards then maybe gossage nyy and sd fingers mil oak dont know about the homers steals dept in some other article mets trivia it could be tim leary in at least the losing to all teams maybe beating all of em too probably seaver and koosman fit too and in randy johnsons no hitter i think it was scott bradley the other half of the old mariner catching platoon who was behind the plate that night david plurad windows re multiple printers through print manager in article 737318846lance lance lancea actrix gen nz lance lancea actrix gen nz lance andrewes writes how does print manager deal with multiple printers were planning to print to two printers from an application one will be a real printer and the other a fax program will print manager just deal with the jobs one at a time or will it feed to both printers at once please research carefully just because a fax modem behaves like a printer on a local machine doesnt guarantee functionality when a local machine has fax software printing to a remotely installed fax card i tried this with workgroups and the fax software didnt like it at all could have been winfaxs peculiarisms but i dont think so a lot of special hardware interaction takes place internally in my case a fax manager program merely intercepts the print job and spools it to its own directory not print managers spool directory to software it appears the job was printed print manager plays no part in the handling of the actual process pardon me if ive incorrectly assumed this is what you were up to a truely network aware fax modem will most likely be required or a lot of weird setup and tinkering good luck medicine epstein barr syndrome questions okay this is a long shot my friend robin has recurring bouts of mononucleosis type symptoms very regularly this has been going on for a number of years shes seen a number of doctors six was the last count i think most of them have said either you have mono or youre full of it theres nothing wrong with you one has admitted to having no idea what was wrong with her and one has claimed that it is epstein barr syndrome now what she told me about ebs is that very few doctors even believe that it exists obviously this has been her experience so whats the story is it real does the medical profession believe it to be real has anyone had success is treating ebs or is it just something to live with thanks for your assistance joel the ogre cherney jcherney reed edu of the horde cars re wax residue on black molding sayeth joseph d mazza mazz andrew cmu edu i waxed my car a few months ago with a liquid wax and now have whiteish smears where i inadvertantly got some wax on the black plastic molding ive tried repeatedly to remove the smears with no luck im on the verge of replacing the molding altogether its a nice car armor all removes raindance wax on my mazda proteges black plastic bumpers your mileage may vary given this observation one would be well advised to take care not to get any of this or probably similar protectants such as son of a gun on ones paint i know that sometimes my jaw clicks when i eat void where prohibited have you seen this boy lust never sleeps i say hurl honey im home silver bokonon uucp uunet becker xrtll bokonon silver windows re gif to bmp saz hook corp mot com scott zabolotzky writes does anybody have any idea where i could find a program that can convert a gif image into a bmp image suitable for a windows wallpaper i e 256 colors hopefully theres something out there i can get from an ftp site somewhere thanks in advance scott scott look on ftp cica indiana edu for gws zip they embed the release number in the name and im not sure what the lates is it is graphics workshop there is a dos and a windows version both work great i even had someone bring me some images from the amiga and converted them to great looking wallpaper as 256 color bmp files if you cant find it repost or let me know and ill dig up the archive dave dave campbell wynapse wynapse wynapse indirect com the shareware custom control source medicine re help for kidney stones in article c697ij iua srgenprp sr hp com jeffs sr hp com jeff silva writes pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu wrote move a little the pain will be excrutiating i was told by my doctor at that time that the pain was comparable to that of childbirth yes by a male doctor so im sure some of you women will disagree id really like to know the truth in this so maybe some of you women who have had a baby and a kidney stone could fill me in one more reason for men to learn the lamaze breathing techniques in order to be able to get some pain reduction instantly wherever you are michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi guns re impeach clinton reno few simple points leadership you are responsible for all that your subordinates do or fail to do law any deaths that occur as a result or during the commision of a crime are a felony against whoever dies during the incident and whoever committed the crime establishing the incident is chargable for murder one this is how criminals are charged with murder for the deaths of bystanders from police stray rounds and such someone dying of a heart attack is also considered a murder one if it is in a situation caused by a crime james s cochrane when in danger or in doubt run in this space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles scream and shout for rent baseball re usa mcweekly stats in article 1993apr20 033504 13966 mnemosyne cs du edu gspira nyx cs du edu greg spira writes uh bill james doesnt sell statistics he sells books with statistics but he is not in the business of providing stats like elias stats howe baseball workshop etc are bill james is however very closely tied to stats sherri nichols snichols adobe com medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr14 122647 16364 tms390 micro ti com david tms390 micro ti com david thomas writes cnavarro cymbal calpoly edu claire writes is there such a thing as msg monosodium glutamate sensitivity i saw in the ny times sunday that scientists have testified before an fda advisory panel that complaints about msg sensitivity are superstition anybody here have experience to the contrary im old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least a couple of times since the 1960s then it was called the chinese restaurant syndrome because chinese cuisine has always used it so far ive seen about a dozen posts of anecdotal evidence but no facts i suspect there is a strong psychological effect at work here does anyone have results from a scientific study using double blind trials here is another anecdotal story i am a picky eater and never wanted to try chinese food however i finally tried some in order to please a girl i was seeing at the time i had never heard of chinese restaurant syndrome a group of us went to the restaurant and all shared 6 different dishes it didnt taste great but i decided it wasnt so bad we went home and went to bed early i woke up at 2 am and puked my guts outs i threw up for so long that im not kidding i pulled a muscle in my tongue dry heaves and everything no one else got sick and im not allergic to anything that i know of suffice to say that i wont go into a chinese restaurant unless i am physically threatened the smell of the food makes me ill and that is a psycholgical reaction when i have been dragged in to suffer through beef and broccoli without any sauces i insist on no msg i havent gotten sick yet doug bank private systems division dougb ecs comm mot com motorola communications sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg illinois dougb casbah acns nwu edu 708 576 8207 baseball erickson keith miller hi i was just wondering if anyone knew when erickson and keith miller are expected to come back and what exactly ails them sincerely frank s kim medicine re opinions on allergy hay fever shots in article 1993apr29 173817 25867 nntpd2 cxo dec com tung paaiec enet dec com writes i have just started taking allergy shots a month ago and is still wondering what i am getting into a friend of mine told me that the body change every 7 years whatever that means and i dont need those antibody building allergy shots at all does that make sense to anyone btw can someone summarize what is in the consumer report february 1988 article i am reluctant to summarize it for then you will have my opinion of what the article says rather than your own opinion i think it is important enough for you to take the trouble to go to the library and get the article the title is the shot doctors and it appears on pages 96 100 of the february 1988 issue of consumer reports the following excerpt from the article may entice you to read the whole article too often shots are overused when you put a patient on shots youve got an annuity for life a former president of the american academy of allergy and immunology told cu page 97 baseball re young catchers in article 7975 blue cis pitt edu genetic pitt edu david m tate writes as for rushing if there really is a qualitative difference between the minors and the majors that requires a period of adjustment and i dont believe there is then wouldnt you rather waste lopezs 22 year old good season than his 23 year old very good season or his 24 year old excellent season the sooner you get him acclimated the more of his prime you get to use can anybody name a player who was rushed to the majors lets for arguments sake define rushed as brought up to the majors for more than a cup of coffee prior at age 22 or younger and performing below expectations whose career was damaged by this rushing im serious i tend to agree with david that bringing the player up sooner is better but id like to look at players for whom this theory didnt work if there are any id prefer players within the last 10 years or so because then i can look up their minor league stats its important to distinguish between players who legitimately had careers below what their minor league numbers would have projected as opposed to players who were hyped and failed but actually had careers not out of line with their minor league numbers lets kick it off with an example of a player who was rushed although there doesnt seem to have been any damage to his career jay bell was given 135 pas in the major leagues at age 21 and performed well below what you would expect from his aaa numbers the same season he got 236 pas the next year at age 22 and still underperformed however the next year at age 24 his performance improved and he won the everyday shortstop job and has been there ever since its really hard for me to see where he would have been better off staying in the minor league where he was performed quite well in aaa during this time rather than being rushed cleveland might have been better off i suppose because they might have been less likely to give up on him yes if you bring a player up early hes likely going to struggle but does that delay the time at which he stops struggling and starts performing up to expectations sherri nichols snichols adobe com religion re what part of no dont you understand in article 1rbh3n hav kyle eitech com ekr kyle eitech com eric rescorla writes in article 1993apr24 002509 4017 midway uchicago edu eeb1 midway uchicago edu writes a moment of silence doesnt mean much unless everyone participates otherwise its not silent now is it non religious reasons for having a moment of silence for a dead classmate 1 to comfort the friends by showing respect to the deceased 2 to give the classmates a moment to grieve together 3 to give the friends a moment to remember their classmate in the context of the school 4 to deal with the fact that the classmate is gone so that its not disruptive later yeah all well and good the fact is though that the pro school prayer types have tried to use a moment of silence as a way to get prayer back at my high school for instance our dear principal ended the moment of silence with amen i can certainly see opposing the amen but that doesnt require opposing a moment of silence ill back off when they do does anybody else besides me see a vicious circle here i guarantee you the people who want school prayer arent going to back off when they cant even manage to get a quiet moment for their kids to pray silently pro choice anti roe e elizabeth bartley abortions should be safe legal early and rare guns re president clintons email address jagst18 pitt edu josh a grossman writes somebody was kind enough to post the prezs compuserve email address i was smart enough to write it down somehwere on some small scap of paper i can not find if youve got it please email it to me compuserve 75300 3115 compuserve com america on line clintonpz aol com both are accessible from the internet when you send a not to slick willie you will need to have you us mail address on the note if you want a response the white house does not reply by e mail baseball re bosios no hitter pb6755 csc albany edu brown philip h writes i watched the final inning of bosios no hitter with several people at work after vizquel made that barehanded grab of the chopper up the middle someone remarked that if he had fielded it with his glove he wouldnt have had time to throw riles out yet the throw beat riles by about two steps i wonder how many others who watched the final out think vizquel had no choice but to make the play with his bare hand in this mornings paper or was it on the radio vizquel was quoted as saying that he could have fielded the ball with his glove and still easily thrown out riles that he barehanded it instead so as to make the final play more memorable seems a litle cocky to me but he made it work so hes entitled doug dudgeon dept of chemical engineering bf 10 dudgeon opus cheme washington edu university of washington seattle this space available cars dirty diesels i heard the diesels are considered cleaner burning than gas engines because the emit less of carbon monoxide hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen co hc nox but they can put out a lot of particulate matter i heard something about legislation being discussed to clean up diesel emissions is there anything in the works to install scrubbers for diesels how about the feasibility of installing them on trucks and cars would it be any different than a catylitic converter id assume easier since were removing particulate matter instead of converting gasses lets hear peoples opinions vel natarajan nataraja rtsg mot com motorola cellular arlington hts il medicine re krillean photography in article c6bot5 12a r node hub org taob r node hub org writes in article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alexander p zijdenbos writes i am neither a real believer nor a disbeliever when it comes to but no one or at least not many people are trying to pass off god will you please keep this crap out of sci image processing guns re clinton wants national id card aka ussr style internal passport slp9k cc usu edu writes i just want to point out that while i am fully in support of privacy it will be possible soon to have a completely secure id card useable in bank transactions medical etc etc there is no such thing as completely secure especially when dealing with high technology its all a question of cost what cost are you willing to bear to protect your information vs what rewards the bad guys are going to get if they break it the rewards of breaking such a single id system would be high indeed tom swiss tms cs umd edu born to die keep your laws off my brain whats so funny bout peace love and understanding nick lowe this sig contains no animal products and was not tested on animals time is just natures way of keeping everything from happening at once windows windows 3 1 or dos 5 0 or smartdrv or hello i thought this problem might have something to do with windows 3 1 smartdrv and a vesa video card any ideas i recently purchased a 486dx 33 machine and am having problems where the machine will suddenly freeze or reboot this may happen in windows 3 1 or dos 5 0 sometimes it is after printing a document sometimes after using the mouse and sometimes just when i am sitting there twice when it happened the machine rebooted and sounded seven beeps i looked in the documentation and the seven beep code meant a problem with interrupts the machine has the following configuration and files 486dx 33 ami bios 5 25 and 3 5 floppies 170 meg ide hard drive 256k cache microsoft compatible mouse on com1 citizen gsx 145 on lpt1 ni supervga monitor with vesa windows accelerator card w 1meg two vesa slots windows 3 1 dos 5 0 config sys device c windows himem sys dos high devicehigh c dos setver exe files 20 buffers 20 stacks 9 128 autoexec bat echo off lh c windows smartdrv exe 1024 prompt p g path c dos c windows c mouse lh c mouse mouse set temp c dos lh c dos doskey when the machine freezes i cant use the mouse or keyboard or use ctrl alt del to reboot if any one can give me any help i would greatly appreciate it if anyone can help configure this machine for the best efficiency memory wise i would appreciate that also douglas b dodson internet dbd icf hrb com hrb systems inc state college pa usa 16804 disclaimer any ideas or opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect the ideas or opinions of hrb windows help hello all it is my understanding that all true type fonts in windows are loaded in prior to starting windows this makes getting into windows quite slow if you have hundreds of them as i do first off am i correct in this thinking secondly if that is the case can you get windows to ignore them on boot and maybe make something like a pif file to load them only when you enter the applications that need fonts any ideas chris origin chris doelle f3333 n106 z1 fidonet org 1 106 3333 26 guns re ax the atf in article 1r1ito 4t transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes its hard to know what who to believe however the letter i received from the batf in response to one i sent to bentsen said that there was a search warrant and an arrest warrant check again you may find that the arrest warrant was issued after the first firefight the letter implies that both warrants were issued before the feb 28th shootout but doesnt say so exlicitly ack don baseball re how to speed up games marginally realistic in article 9304202040 pn27738 ll mit edu ejb ll mit edu ed baranoski writes in article 1993apr20 181245 11319 vfl paramax com davidm gvls2 vfl paramax com david madden writes 2 if a pitcher throws to an occupied base more than x time x 3 to 5 without successfully picking off the runner the runner advances a base as if walked this last suggestion will probably increase the number of stolen bases considerably suppose the pitcher uses up n 1 of his n pick off attempts the runner can probably stretch his lead off the base given that there will be extra pressure on the pitcher to get it right this time if it encouraged the runner to stretch his lead it would probably also result ina greater number of pickoffs i think it would be a workable rule but it would probably be best to experiment in another league before trying it in the bigs clay d religion re whos next mormons and jews in article 9601 blue cis pitt edu rjl pitt edu richard j loether writes yes of course as in matthew 10 34 35 do not suppose that i have come to bring peace to the earth it is not peace i have come to bring but a sword remember the armor of god the sword that christians wield is the word of god the bible god be with you malcolm lee rjl rich loether snail mail university of pittsburgh the ideas email rjl pitt edu computing and info services mine voice 412 624 6429 600 epsilon drive all fax 412 624 6426 pittsburgh pa 15238 mine cars re service indicator of a bmw dchan cisco com derek chan writes in article 1993apr22 130721 4420 westminster ac uk jkjec westminster ac uk shazad barlas writes derek there is a tool available to reset the service indicator on bmws but the lights will come back on after 2 3 weeks the tool is in fact illegal in europe atleast it is often the case that the unsuspecting punter trots off to buy a used bmw and a few weeks later all the lights come on other than that i know of no other tool anyone else shaz hmm but the service indicators that i have works this way there are 5 green 1 yellow 1 red indicators initially all green indicators will be on for few minutes when you start your car the computer will actually sense how you drive your car and as time goes by the green indicators will start to go off one by one and then the yellow indicator will turn on and then the red indicator will go on and you should get service when by the time green indicators are off after service the mechanic or you will reset the service indicators and the computer starts counting again so i expect to have a tool or a procedure to reset it so the green lights will come on and the yellow and red lights will go off i wonder how people can do oil change themself without knowing how to reset the indicator its the first european car i have and changing oil at 15 000 miles is a surprise to me and its a big plus but i wonder how that could happen since the oil lose its lubrication ability over time i thought its the oil and not the vehicle that determines how often we should change oil any bmw owner on the net response welcomed ps my initial question is how do you seset the service indicator of a bmw derek there is a perfectly legal tool available to reset the bimmer service lights it will cost you 45 from a mailorder and buying one far outweighs the possible consequences of destroying all the electronics if you try di it yourself you wonder how people do an oil change without knowing how it reset why is reseting so important the only reason for doing it is stop the annoyance of a red light staring at you forget this in european cars you only need to change the oil every 15000 crap anyone serious about keeping their engine in good shape and extending its life will change it every 3000 inc filter dont wait for the servive lights to come on before servicing the car i bought a bmw about 6 months ago it had 3 green lights on i have changed the oil every 3000 completly flushed brake fliud changed all filters oil air and fuel changed transmission and drive oils and done almost all of the other things req for service 1 and a service 2 after nearly 6000 miles i am still on 2 green lights after a winter in burlington and it is snowing today that is not bad good luck blair blair e robertson a new zealander in vermont university of vermont posting his own ideas medical research facilty smooth muscle ion channel group colchester vermont 05446 2500 email blair northpole med uvm edu telephone 802 656 8930 baseball re lets talk phillies in article 1993apr17 020347 9554 mgweed mgwhiz att com prg mgweed mgwhiz att com phil gunsul says i try to edit this newsgroup and feed it to one of the local elementary schools they have a group of students that just love baseball and are learning to use computers but im telling you its gotten to the point that i dont even edit the files anymore just read them and throw out the trash and thanks to all you people that think its wonderful to include a swear word or two in your signature files thats really nice i have to read the whole article and then toss it out because of the sig duh why not just chop out the sig bob vesterman ps hey kids take all those pictures of dead presidents out of your parents wallets and mail them to bob vesterman c o dept of mathematics university of notre dame notre dame indiana 46556 religion re waco information accuracy in article 1r9mflinnak4 crcnis1 unl edu e p unl edu edgar pearlstein wrote an example is the fbi report that several of the bodies found in the rubble had bullet wounds the local coroner who is independent of the fbi has so far found no bullet wounds according to cnn last night saturday 4 24 93 he has now found bullets in two of the corpses in the head that would indicate that the bullets were aimed at killing the humans cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net baseball re best homeruns mike schmidts 500th not only a milestone but also a 9th inning game winner john baseball re dave kingman for the hall of fame steve tomassi writes hi baseball fans so what do you say dont you think he deserves it i mean heck if dave winfield ho hum is seriously being considered for it as is lee smith ha then why dont we give dave kingman a chance or darrell evans yeah yeah after the hall of fame takes in them it can take in eddie murray and jeff reardon unfortunately you seem to lack the ability to rate players dave winfield has had a better career than half the people in the hall of fame eddie murray and darrel evans are both one of the top 100 players of all time lee smith has had probably the greatest long career of any relief pitcher since 1960 with the possible exception of gossage on the other hand kingman probably isnt one of the best 750 players of all time and reardon though a good pitcher isnt in smiths class career wise well in any case i am sick and tired mostly sick of everybody giving hall of fame consideration to players that are by todays standards marginal honestly ozzie smith and robin yount dont belong there theyre both shortstops that just hung around for a long time big deal were talking 2 of the top 50 players of all time here there probably arent 5 shortstops in history who were better than these two lets be a little more selective huh stop handing out these honors so liberally save them for the guys who really deserve it face it if something isnt done there will be little prestige in the hall of fame anymore when certain individuals believe that steve garvey or jack morris are potential candidates the absurdity is apparent garvey sucked morris while a very good pitcher simply doesnt belong near cooperstown gee can these guys even compare to the more likely future hall of famers like kirby puckett or nolan ryan if puckett and ryan okay no if there get into to the hall they will be marginal hall of famers unless puckett keeps hitting like he did last year for a while longer to put this in perspective heres a listing of the linear weights values of the careers of the players you mention in parenthesis is how high they are up on the greatest ever list if they make it while no one would claim these are perfect rankings they should give you a good value of these guys careers as compared to average players robin yount 43 0 41 ozzie smith 42 1 45 dave winfield 40 3 53 eddie murray 37 5 68 darrel evans 35 2 80 kirby puckett 24 3 180 nolan ryan 21 6 219 jack morris 11 8 478 dave kingman 0 4 steve garvey 5 8 to give you an idea of how these numbers compare to those in the hall of the 71 eligible players whose career stats equaled 35 0 64 are in the hall of fame the ones who arent include 4 19th century players ron santo bobby grich and bob johnson of those eligible who score between 30 0 and 34 9 15 of 25 are in of those eligible who score between 25 0 and 29 9 24 of 44 are in greg religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed seems to me koresh is yet another messenger that got killed for the message he carried which says nothing about the character of the messenger i reckon well have to find out the rest the hard way koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns guns re some more about gun control in article 1qicep obf transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1993apr14 232806 18970 beaver cs washington edu graham cs washington edu stephen graham writes in article 1qhpcn b12 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes as far as john q public with a gun the supreme court has already ruled in cases such as us v miller 307 u s 175 1939 and us v verdugo urquidez 110 s ct 1839 1990 that that is exactly what the amendment protects this interpretation can be found as far back as the dred scott case in 1857 its worth noting that us vs miller sustained millers conviction of possession of an illegal firearm noting that a sawed off shotgun was not a proper militia weapon no they noted that no one had claimed that it was a proper militia weapon despite having been used in at least two wars this was true since neither miller nor his lawyer appeared before the court did they or did they not sustain millers conviction i dont have the text of the case handy yes shotguns had been used in wwi the spanish american war and the us civil war that was not in question the possession of a sawed off shotgun was i e a weapon altered to improve concealibility therefore us vs miller supports limited government regulation of firearms dont go arguing down this road unless you are willing to abide by the consequences that you find at the end of it mainly that the law abiding common man has a right to own any weapon that has a militia purpose from handguns to sawed off shotguns and fully automatic weapons that in fact is what this decision says you are free to produce evidence that im not willing to abide with all the implications of this just because i dont whole heartedly endorse the nra position does not mean that i oppose the rkba this attitude is what makes the nra unpopular stephen graham graham cs washington edu uw beaver june graham religion re rw is robert weiss the only orthodox christian in article c5vgyd h7s acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsd cc buffalo edu robert weiss writes in article 93111 074840librba byuvm bitnet librba byuvm bitnet writes rick anderson writes ra robert you keep making references to orthodox belief and saying ra things like it is held that cf kermit thread on what ra exact body of theology are you drawing for what you call orthodox orthodox is a compound word it comes from orthos straight true right and from doxa opinion doctrine teaching i use orthodox to refer to right teaching as opposed to universal or catholic or foursquare gosple i think that the greek orthodox church would take high offense at your misuse of the word your version of christianity is neither mainstream nor bible derived you make claims of bible centricity that are not derivable soley from the bible about six seven months ago you claimed that your primary objection to the lds was that our doctrine was not bible derived and now this and other claims can be shown are also not bible interpeting bible right teaching is derived from letting god speak to us through the bible this can be from reading simple truths in the scriptures and by using the bible to interpret the bible simple truths oh for example ra who is that holds that luke meant what you said he meant i think that it is apparent from reading the scriptures that are pertinent luke 23 43 records christs promise to the repentant thief who hung on an adjacent cross truly i say to you today you will be with me in paradise but was it not until later that christ rose from the dead and ascended to heaven if christ himself was not in heaven until sunday how could the repentant thief have been there with him the answer lies in the location of paradise when jesus died apparently paradise was not exalted to heaven until easter day paradise exalted to heaven paradise wasnt equal to heaven and now it is yet you claim that peeple can not be exalted to heaven nicht wahr jesus refers to it in the middle of the story of the rich man and lazarus as abrahams bosom to which the godly beggar lazarus was carried by the angels after his decease luke 16 19 31 thus abrahams bosom referred to the place where the souls of the redeemed waited till the day of christs resurrection when i read the story i found that abrahams bosom wasnt so much a place but somewhere the rich man could see and talk to abraham it was not yet lifted to heaven but it may well have been a section of hades hebrew sheol reserved for believers who had died in the faith but would not be admitted into the glorious presence of god in heaven until the price of redemption had actually been paid on calvary or even that none would precede the presence of jesus back to glory with the father gee this is fairly close to what the lds call spirit prison and what you have called false doctrine doubtless it was the infernal paradise that the souls of jesus and the repentant thief repaired after they each died on friday afternoon but on sunday after the risen christ had first appeared to mary magdalene john 20 17 and her two companions matthew 28 9 presumably he then took up with him to glory all the inhabitants of infernal paradise including abraham lazarus and the repentant thief we read in ephesians 4 8 concerning christ ascending on high he led captivity captive he gave gifts unto men vers deleted reproduced below quoted from the sunspot gopher archive presumably he led the whole band of liberated captives from hades i e the whole population of preresurrection paradise up to the glory of heaven this part is not supported from scripture nor does it support your claim that the paradise where christ descended was exalted making such claims on this little evidence ignores the witness of the scripture sun ephas sun 4 8 wherefore he saith when he ascended up on high he led captivity sun captive and gave gifts unto men sun sun x ref psalms 68 18 sun thou has ascended on hight thout hast led captivity captive thou has sun recieved gifts for men yea for the rebellious aslo that the lord god sun might dwell amoung them sun sun ephas sun 4 9 now that he ascended what is it but that he also descended first sun into the lower parts of the earth 4 10 he that descended is the same sun also that ascended up far above all heavens that he might fill all sun things 4 11 and he gave some apostles and some prophets and sun some evangelists and some pastors and teachers 4 12 for the sun perfecting of the saints for the work of the ministry for the sun edifying of the body of christ 4 13 till we all come in the unity of sun the faith and of the knowledge of the son of god unto a perfect man sun unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of christ 4 14 that we sun henceforth be no more children tossed to and fro and carried about sun with every wind of doctrine by the sleight of men and cunning sun craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive 4 15 but speaking the sun truth in love may grow up into him in all things which is the head using this to argue that paradise or spirit prison is now changed from a pre easter postion to post easter by god postion is not supportable makeing such a claim requires more evidence than you have given here ra whenever your personal interpretation of biblical passages is ra challenged your only response seems to be that one needs merely to ra look at the bible in order to see the truth but what of those who ra see biblical things differently from you i think that this characterization is faulty whenever my personal interpretation is questioned i usually give a reason yes and your reasons are in general not supported by any direct reading of the scriptures you have demonstrated that you claims to scriptural proof need to be cross checked the referencs that you supply often do not support your postion if they are read in the context of the scripture as for those that see things differently please put forward where there is a valid difference and we can discuss it i seem to be seeing from you the notion that any difference in how one views the bible is somehow legitimate except or course for the stuff that i glean from it put forward a contrary view and perhaps we can have a discussion on that topic but to decry something that i put forward without putting forward something else to discuss and to dismiss what i put forward while giving credence to other alleged views that have yet to be put forward is simply being contentious how about that those who have been in paradise and have accepted the gosple will be judged of jesus christ and then return to the presence of god is that somehow different from your expressed view that the paradise spoken of or abrahams bosom ra are we to simply assume that you are the only one who really ra understands it if you believe that something that i have drawn from scripture is wrong then please show me from scripture where it is wrong simply stating that there are other views is not a proof show it to me from scripture and then we can go on should we go back and discuss your view on why the angle of the lord is the lord again robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu kermit tensmeyer intergraph corporation kltensme kt8127 b23a ingr com deep in dixie baseball a modest request i am finding the volume of stuff on rec sport baseball overwhelming ca 200 posts day an effect of this is that a backlog builds up and many posts get dumped from my system i could probably fix that but dont have the time to read them all in any event my guess is that mine is a common problem i have some ideas that would help 1 each person generally post no more than one article day 2 limit the extent to which previous posts are reproduced in posts 3 dont post mindless woofs or anti woofs e g the jays are best or the jays suck 4 dont respond to mindless posts e g jack morris is a better pitcher than frank viola because hes won a world series i know that you can use the n key to get by these posts but they bump interesting posts from my disk 5 use the goddamn shift key etc it makes your posts easier to read name jim rising mail dept zoology univ toronto toronto ontario canada m5s 1a1 uucp uunet attcan utzoo rising bitnet rising zoo utoronto ca medicine re endometriosis in article 1993apr16 032251 6606 rock concert net naomi rock concert net naomi t courter writes can anyone give me more information regarding endometriosis i heard its a very common disease among women and if anyone can provide names naomi endometriosis is where cells that would normally be lining the uteris exist outside the uteris sometimes this causes problems often it doesnt there is generally no need to remove pockets of endometriosis unless they are causing other problems one lady i know had endometriosis in an ovary this caused her a great deal of pain another lady i know has an endometrial cyst in her abdominal wall she is not having it removed the american fertility society has information on this and they probably maintain a list of physicians in all parts of the continent that deal with endometriosis you can reach them at the american fertility society 2140 11th ave south suite 200 birmingham alabama 35205 2800 205 933 8494 j f guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 from article 1r492jinn5fo charnel ecst csuchico edu by nomad ecst csuchico edu michael larish in article 1993apr19 184303 6205 stortek com vojak icebucket stortek com bill vojak writes both of my senators and my rep i also called the white house comment line was on hold for 8 10 minutes so maybe lots of people are calling please call your congress critter wh comment line now just a general note i have seen several polls lately and they show a large majority a thinks that this incident was handled ok and b thinks that the fbi and batf gave them more than enough time 51 days to come out i take it that when something happens that is wrong its okay if a bunch of people say it is for instance if some people go on a murderous rampage and lynch some blacks and then a poll is taken which shows that the majority of people think that this is acceptable then does this mean that what these people have done isnt bad this is an example of mob rule not a democracy a democracy in which peoples rights are protected i hope that ive made myself clear on this make the following points 1 your outrage over todays behaviour and what if im not outraged fine you have the right to hold any opinion that you want to but let me ask you this are you outraged over this tragedy i hope that you are your opinions of david koresh and his followers not withstanding i know i am 2 since batf chief higgens and janet reno were the 2 who signed off on this plan demand that they be fired actually they should both be commended why id be interested in hearing your reasons 5 point out that even if the fire was set by someone inside of the building it came as a direct result of the actions of the fbi batf and the people inside including 17 children deserved a trial instead of this what i want to know is what exactly did you expect them to do i can see it now the 11 oclock news fbi and batf agents still surround the waco compound after 451 days i dont think so they gave them every chance they had 51 days to surrender to proper authorities they had attornies representing them etc koresh lied time and time again i dont wish them dead but you cant let it stalemate forever it was time to do something and the fbi and batf did what happened was unfortunate but acceptable as long as the fbi didnt set the fire intentionally michael g larish amateur radio callsign kd6ctz nomad ecst csuchico edu golden empire amateur radio society gears w6rhc california state chico state amateur radio society csars university chico butte county sheriffs search rescue 317 scott kennedy brewer and patriot before david koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the bible through the barrel of a gun atf spokesman after the atf is a cheap thug who interprets the constitution through the barrel of a gun me batf cigarette cops fbi fuehrers bureau of incineration windows re question on eisa video board performance in 1993apr30 122333 828 hubcap clemson edu charlea eng clemson edu charles allen writes from article c68ubg k2w world std com by cfw world std com christopher f wroten i have an eisa machine and i just do not understand why most eisa video cards only match the performance of their isa counterparts for instance the eisa orchid pro designer iis e is only about as fast as the isa diamond speedstar plus which isnt what i would call fast i dont understand why eisa video cards arent as a group on the same level of performance as local bus cards given that eisa video cards have a 32 bit bus to move data around instead of isas 8 bits good question answer the eisa bus does move 32 bits rather than isas 8 16 but it still moves it at about the speed as the isa bus i think thats either 8 or 10 mhz the local bus designs also move 32 bits like the eisa but they move the data at the cpu speed up to 40 mhz so on a 33mhz cpu the local bus is moving 32bit data at 33 mhz and the eisa is moving 32bit data at 8 or 10 mhz so the local bus should be 3 to 4 times faster than eisa on a 33 mhz cpu eisa should be about two maybe 3 times as fast as isa i would expect the eisa board to be more than twice as fast as the isa board not only are you moving data on a path twice as wide at least but there is a difference in the number of clocks required for bus transactions between the two busses most isa boards require multiple clocks per bus transaction typically this is around 3 4 eisa boards are suppose to be able to burst at a 1 1 rate so i would expect performance to be 6x 8x that of an isa card so i guess for me the question is unanswered still i would expect him to be able to see a 6x speed difference and he apparently does not insisting on perfect safety is for people who dont have the balls to live in the real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com i dont speak for others and they dont speak for me guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1993apr20 142131 27347 rti rti org jbs rti rti org writes in article c5rpoj ijv news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv to get the trial they deserved instead they chose to set fire to their compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas this is about the third person whos parroted the fbis line about the fires being set six hours after the tear gas was injected suppose you want to explain to us the videotape footage shown on national tv last night in which a tank with the gas injecting tubes is pulling its injection tubes out of the second story of a building as the building begins to belch smoke and then fire ive already corrected my mistake earlier in this thread i saw a brief news report which led to the above inaccuracy i have since seen detailed summaries that show the tanks returned in the late morning so why didnt the bds leave when the gas was first introduced much earlier in the morning didnt they care about the children why didnt they release the children weeks ago do tell joe cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in a previous article marshatt feserve cc purdue edu zauberer says in article 1993apr21 191744 3072 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes i am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines v4 i dont know of any v6 legend mr3 mr6 v8 dont know of any are you serious try the deep breath mustang camaro optional on nearly every truck ever built corvettes caprices bmw 740i caddie eldorado fleetwood seville infiniti q45 jeep grand cherokee lexus ls 400 lexus sc 400 lincon mark viii town car m b 400sel and the mercury grand marquis to name a few v12 jaguar xjs how about v10 viper v16 must be one somewhere believe bugattis coming has out one something like 4 turbos and mucho macho hp one cool price too as i heard at any rate the point is im pretty sure there is indeed one in production tho rather limited drew baseball re relative value of players in kime 93apr20133127 mongoose torolab ibm com kime mongoose torolab ibm com edward kim writes in article c5ro4h lww world std com jle world std com joe m leonard writes before folks jump on me let me ask the net would the jays have won the al with a good pitcher from aaa in place of morris given his run support how about an average ml pitcher i cant believe that morris performance in the playoffs and series had a large positive impact on the jays performance i know its very trendy nowadays to dump on morris but lets give credit where credit is due it is doubtful that the blue jays would have won the al east without morris well when you say without morris you have to mention an assumed replacement if the alternative to morris was letting cito gaston soft toss the ball underhand to the opposition every 5 days then of course the blue jays wouldnt have won without morris if the alternative was replacement level then i think it wouldve been very close and yes morris mightve made the difference if the alternative was frank viola the blue jays probably would have won more easily with viola last year when the team went 13 15 for the month of august and all the other starters were being shelled and milwaukee was making a charge morris went 5 1 with a pretty good era i cant remember exactly yes you can make the argument that the his presence prevented the team from collapsing in august also lets not underestimate the importance his 240 innings to save the bullpen every fifth day if he didnt help us win the al east forget about the pennent and the world series those innings were probably helpful his run support was high 5 98 runs but so was stottlemyers 5 90 runs and he won only 12 games i do remember morris winning an inordinate number of 6 5 and 8 6 ballgames but this is to his credit he pitched only as good as he needed to be when he was up 6 1 in a ballgame he just put it in cruise control and threw the ball up there and let the batters get themseleves out i hate this expression an inexperienced pitcher would wear himself out trying to make perfect pitches to keep his era down but morris being a veteran pitcher knows that winning is the only thing that really matters in baseball by saving himself he was able to reach back for that little extra i hate this too when the game was on the line well i think is complete bs what happened most of the time is that morris fell behind and the team came back and rescued him mostly this is because hes a lousy 1st inning pitcher and much better the rest of the way that the team can climb out of 4 0 5 0 holes consistently and win them 6 5 is not to morris credit its to the teams credit furthermore while morris did exceed the w l percentage that would be projected from his runs allowed and run support he hasnt done this in previous years in fact his w l record in 1991 is a lot worse than what it projects to be with run support and runs allowed do you think he just came up with this ability in 1992 look at the 2 postseason games he pitched decently in typical morris games morris gets behind team rescues him hes not responsible for that rescue and in both those games the team just didnt rescue him enough jack morris pitched as well as he did during much of the season in those 2 games the offense just didnt earn him a victory btw i think he should be put in the bullpen it would be embarrassing a veteran pitcher which cito would never do but his era is 17 how much more can he be embarrassed morris is one of those guys who will reture when he cant start anymore hes too bad a first inning pitcher to serve in the bullpen greg cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article 0w2z2b1w164w cellar org blu cellar org dan reed writes fact is i just leave the valet key in my glovebox for whenever i need it that will make it easy for a car thief saves him her the trouble of popping your ignition dick grady salem nh usa grady world std com so many newsgroups so little time religion re what part of no dont you understand in 1993apr24 214843 10940 midway uchicago edu eeb1 quads uchicago edu e elizabeth bartley writes i can certainly see opposing the amen but that doesnt require opposing a moment of silence if the only people proposing a moment of silence are doing so as a sham to sneak in prayers then it must be opposed what the hell have prayers to do with public schooling i ask this question as a devout christian ill back off when they do does anybody else besides me see a vicious circle here i guarantee you the people who want school prayer arent going to back off when they cant even manage to get a quiet moment for their kids to pray silently their kids can bloody well pray any god damned time they want to and nothing on heaven or earth in government or the principals office can prevent or in any other way deal with their doing so especially if the prayer is silent as bursting out into the shema yisrael or some other prayer might be construed as disruptive if audible no one ever prevented me from praying in public school they hardly even prevented me from masturbating in study hall i should have thought better of someone posting from a uchicago address how can you manage to say such nonsense without shame muslim students might have a complaint if they are prevented from setting out their rugs and doing the proper ablutions before prayer at the times specified in the quran jews would probably like the opportunity to daven with tefillim and whatever else they require at their appropriate times i do not see them complaining though muslims and jews have a case that no christian i have ever heard has been able to make the christian insistence on a public universal enforced moment of prayer h h h h h hsilence is nothing but the inquisition naturalized into the american context it is offensive to the gospel of christ michael l siemon i say you are gods sons of the mls panix com most high all of you nevertheless or you shall die like men and fall mls ulysses att com like any prince psalm 82 6 7 guns heidi lmsc lockheed com original article the colorado daily recently reprinted the wall street journals article on paxton quigley including the nefarious little paragraph the journal tacked onto the end after recieving much assistance from various t p g type folks i wrote a letter to the editor criticizing this last paragraph and surprise surprise surprise they published it the text follows the colorado daily btw is the university of colorado boulder student i think newspaper not exactly a big coup but every little bit i guess the title was the only thing they changed added gun stats the daily recently reprinted an article from the wall street journal primarily concerned with paxton quigley author of armed and female the article in turn cites a misleading statistic that was originally reported in the new england journal of medicine the article states a study found that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner spouse a friend or child than to kill an intruder this is an often quoted statistic and it is misleading for sev eral reasons outlined below the study gives the impression that if you own a gun the likelihood that you will successfully use it to defend yourself is less than that of the gun being turned against you the study however fails to take into account cases where a law abiding citizen uses a gun to thwart a crime without actually killing the perpe trator the study actually refers to acquaintances rather than friend this would include the friendly neigh borhood thug who shows up like clockwork every month the second your grandmother cashes her social security check possibly an acquaintance but hardly a friend the nejm study is based on the immediate dis position of cases and fails to take into account cases originally filed as homicides that were later ruled to be self defense especially considering the small sample size 396 taking these events into account has a sub stantial effect on the 43 1 ratio quoted criminologist gary kleck gives us a slightly dif erent statistic a gun is 33 times more likely to be used successfully by a private citizen against an aggressor than it is to kill anyone at all further per sons defending themselves from aggression by using a gun fare better than those who resist vicimization by some other means or who offer no resistance at all statistics available from the fbi and other agencies also show that a gun is 245 times more likely to be used by a non criminal to defend against criminal threat than to be used to commit criminal homicide 535 times more likely to be used to defend against a criminal threat than to accidentally kill anybody and 50 times more likely to defend against criminal threat than to be used to commit suicide it is well to keep in mind that nearly anything can be proved by uncritical quotation of statistics one has to consider carefully what questions were asked by those gathering the data before one can draw an accu rate conclusion from them d f taylor cu department of chemistry and biochemistry spooksmoke revolution assasination thorium cobalt 60 clintin cia nsa shc dod 202 loki acca nmsu edu liberty or death taylordf ucsu colorado edu send me something even you cant read begin pgp public key block version 2 2 mqcnaitfksqaaaeeakceejwi9f5kmjykp0logc5dghrpbmy2xhoo8kpehmdyuf8a 1bfdqsj53kostz6hroshsdzlvul1 40vpjmmntfr vyz4jvd3rl4iuq2ummmex3m itf3ult8xn v qabsvhcfshvjvk4lf6wosucmo03m2tix31ai7vb0uzo4yxjaaux tcreyw5pzwwgribuyxlsb3igpexva2laywnjys5ubxn1lmvkdt4 s5ib end pgp public key block religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed in article 20apr199301460499 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu stephen writes for those who think david koresh didnt have a solid structure or sound biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast ive enclosed a partial list of the sources he cites or quotes he exactly used as a christian sermon its pretty good if not inspired david koresh was born in bethlehem ehh windows z modem up and download with winqvt hello all id like to know how z modem upload is initiated in a winqvt script file to check how it works before registering unfortunatly nothing about that feature is mentioned in the manual can anybody help me ciao chris medicine seizures infantile spasms the reason im posting this article to this newsgroup is to 1 gather any information about this disorder from anyone who might have recently been e ffected by it from being associated with it or actually having this disorder and 2 help me find out where i can access any medical literature associated with seizures over the internet recently i had a baby boy born with seizures which occured 12 15 hours after birth he was immediately transferred to a major hospital in boston and has since been undergoing extensive drug treatment for his condition this has been a major learning experience for me and my wife not only in learning the medical problems that faced our son but also in dealing with hospitals procedures etc i dont want to go into a lot of detail but his condition was termed quite severe at first then slowly he began to grow and put on weight as a normal baby would he was put on the standard anti convulsion drugs and that did not seem to help out his mri ekg cat scans are all normal but the eegs show alot of seizure activity after many metabolic tests body structure tests and infection virus tests the doctors still do not know quite what type of siezures he is having although they do have alot of evidence that it is now pointing to infantile spasms this is where we stand right now if anyone knows of any database or newsgroup or as i mentioned up above any information relating to this disorder i would sure appreciate hearing from you i am not trying to play doctor here but only trying to gather information about it as i know now these particular types of disorders are still not really well understood by the medical community and so im going to see now if somehow the internet can at least give me alittle insight thanks cars re the 1994 mustang vlasis cybernet cse fau edu vlasis theodore writes have you detroit beings compared the ultra long throw stick shifts of the 5 0 with the 93 mr2 turbo or 93 rx7 i ll buy it in 6 mos or the torsen differential of the rx7 compared to the differential of the 5 0 that sounds in every hairpin turn or the price tag of the rx7 vs a mustang part of the definition of a mustang is that it should be affordable by the masses of course ford knows youre argument they own a big piece of mazda take a good look at a mach iii now an rx7 hhhmmmmm and bythe way 5 0 and camaro both have drums on the rear breaks hello this is the 90 s that is a tragedy but i dont think new camaros or the new mustangs will steve 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 alan kulwicki 1992 winston cup champion 1954 1993 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 medicine hicn611 medical news part 2 4 cut here hicnet medical newsletter page 13 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 food drug administration news fda approves depo provera injectable contraceptive p92 31 food and drug administration for immediate release susan cruzan 301 443 3285 the food and drug administration today announced the approval of depo provera an injectable contraceptive drug the drug which contains a synthetic hormone similar to the natural hormone progesterone protects women from pregnancy for three months per injection the hormone is injected into the muscle of the arm or buttock where it is released into the bloodstream to prevent pregnancy it is more than 99 percent effective this drug presents another long term effective option for women to prevent pregnancy said fda commissioner david a kessler m d as an injectable given once every three months depo provera eliminates problems related to missing a daily dose depo provera is available in 150 mg single dose vials from doctors and clinics and must be given on a regular basis to maintain contraceptive protection if a patient decides to become pregnant she discontinues the injections as with any such products fda advises patients to discuss the benefits and risks of depo provera with their doctor or other health care professional before making a decision to use it depo proveras effectiveness as a contraceptive was established in extensive studies by the manufacturer the world health organization and health agencies in other countries u s clinical trials begun in 1963 also found depo provera effective as an injectable contraceptive the most common side effects are menstrual irregularities and weight gain in addition some patients may experience headache nervousness abdominal pain dizziness weakness or fatigue the drug should not be used in women who have acute liver disease unexplained vaginal bleeding breast cancer or blood clots in the legs lungs or eyes the labeling advises doctors to rule out pregnancy before prescribing the drug due to concerns about low birth weight in babies exposed to the drug hicnet medical newsletter page 14 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 recent data have also demonstrated that long term use may contribute to osteoporosis the manufacturer will conduct additional research to study this potential effect depo provera was developed in the 1960s and has been approved for contraception in many other countries the upjohn company of kalamazoo mich which will market the drug under the name depo provera contraceptive injection first submitted it for approval in the united states in the 1970s at that time animal studies raised questions about its potential to cause breast cancer worldwide studies have since found the overall risk of cancer including breast cancer in humans to be minimal if any hicnet medical newsletter page 15 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 new rules speed approval of drugs for life threatening illnesses p92 37 food and drug administration monica revelle 301 443 4177 the food and drug administration today announced that it will soon publish new rules to shed the approval of drugs for patients with serious or life threatening illnesses such as aids cancer and alzheimers disease these final rules will help patients who are suffering the most serious illnesses to get access to new drugs months or even years earlier than would otherwise be possible said hhs secretary louis w sullivan m d the effort to accelerate fda review for these drugs has been a long term commitment and indeed a hallmark of this administration these rules establish procedures for the food and drug administration to approve a drug based on surrogate endpoints or markers they apply when the drug provides a meaningful benefit over currently available therapies such endpoints would include laboratory tests or physical signs that do not in themselves constitute a clinical effect but that are judged by qualified scientists to be likely to correspond to real benefits to the patient use of surrogate endpoints for measurement of drug efficacy permits approval earlier than if traditional endpoints such as relief of disease symptoms or prevention of disability and death from the disease are used the new rules provide for therapies to be approved as soon as safety and effectiveness based on surrogate endpoints can be reasonably established the drugs sponsor will be required to agree to continue or conduct postmarketing human studies to confirm that the drugs effect on the surrogate endpoint is an indicator of its clinical effectiveness one new drug zalcitabine also called ddc was approved june 19 using a model of this process for treating the human immunodeficiency virus hiv the cause of aids accelerated approval can also be used if necessary when fda determines that a drug judged to be effective for the treatment of a disease can be used safely only under a restricted distribution plan the new rules will help streamline the drug development and review process without sacrificing goad science and rigorous fda oversight said fda commissioner david a kessler m d while drug approval will be accomplished faster these drugs and biological products must still meet safety and effectiveness standards required by law hicnet medical newsletter page 16 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 the new procedures also allow for a streamlined withdrawal process if the postmarketing studies do not verify the drugs clinical benefit if there is new evidence that the drug product is not shown to be safe and effective or if other specified circumstances arise that necessitate expeditious withdrawal of the drug or biologic hicnet medical newsletter page 17 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 articles research shows promise for preventing or slowing blindness due to retinal disease national retinitis pigmentosa foundation neutrophilic factors rescue photoreceptor cells in animal tests baltimore md researchers at the university of california san francisco and regeneron pharmaceuticals inc nasdaq regn have discovered that certain naturally occurring substances known as neurotrophic factors can prevent the degeneration of light sensing cells in the retina of the eye the degeneration of these cells known as photoreceptors is a major cause of visual impairment this research published to in the december issue of the proceedings of the national academy of science pnas holds promise for people who may lose their sight due to progressive retinal degeneration currently no drug treatment for retinal degeneration exists it is estimated that 2 5 million americans have severe vision loss due to age related macular degeneration and 100 000 americans are affected by retinitis pigmentosus a hereditary disease that causes blindness in addition each year more than 15 000 people undergo surgical procedures to repair retinal detachments and other retinal traumas the research was funded in part by the rp retinitis pigmentosa foundation fighting blindness regeneron pharmaceuticals and the national eye institute it was conducted by drs matthew m lavail kazuhiko unoki douglas yasurnura michael t matthes and roy h steinberg at ucsf arld dr c eorge yancoooulos regenerons vice president for discovery regeneron holds an exclusive license for this research from ucsf in the research described in the pnas a light damage model was used to assess the survival promoting activity of a number of naturally occurring substances experimental rats were exposed to constant light for one week eyes that had not been treated with an effective factor lost most of their photoreceptor cells the rods and cones of the retina after light exposure brain derived neurotrophic factor bdnf and ciliary neurotrophic factor cntf were particularly effective in this model without causing unwanted side effects other factors such as nerve growth factor ngf and insulin like growth factor igf 1 were not effective in these experiments discussing the research dr jesse m cedarbaum regenerons director of clinical research said bdnfs ability to rescue neurons in the retina that have been damaged by light exposure may hold promise for the treatment of age related macular degeneration one of the leading causes of vision impairment and for retinal detachment following detachment permanent vision loss may hicnet medical newsletter page 18 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 result frorn the death of detached retinal cells it is possible that bdnf could play a role in rescuing those cells once the retina has been reattached surgically retinitis pigmentosa is a slowly progressing disease that causes the retina to degenerate over a period of years or even decades vision decreases to a small tunnel of sight and can result in total blindness it is our hope that research on growth factors will provide a means to slow the progression and preserve useful vision throughout life stated jeanette s felix ph d director of science for the rp foundation fighting blindness in addition to the work described regeneron is developing bdnf in conjunction with aingen inc nasdaq amgn as a possible treatment for peripheral neuropathies associated with diabetes and cancer chemotherapy motor neuron diseases parkinsons disease and alzheimers disease by itself regeneron is testing cntf in patients with arnyotrophic lateral sclerosis commonly known as lou gehrigs disease regeneron pharlnaceuticals inc based in tarrytown new york is a leader in the discovery and development of biotechnology based compounds for the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases peripheral neuropathies and nerve injuries which affect more than seven million americans drs lavail and steinberg of ucsf are consultants to regeneron hicnet medical newsletter page 19 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 affluent diet increases risk of heart disease research resources reporter written by mary weideman nov dec 1992 national institutes of health high fat high calorie diets rapidly increase risk factors for coronary heart disease in native populations of developing countries that have traditionally consumed diets low in fat these findings according to investigators at the oregon health sciences university in portland have serious implications for public health in both industrialized and developing countries this study demonstrates why we can develop coronary heart disease and have higher blood cholesterol and triglyceride levels it shows also the importance of diet and particularly the potential of the diet to increase body weight thereby leading to a whole host of other health problems in developing countries and affluent nations as well explains principal investigator dr william e connor head of the section of clinical nutrition and lipid metabolism at oregon health sciences university over the past 25 years dr connor and his team have characterized the food and nutrient intakes of the tara humara indians in mexico while simultaneously documenting various aspects of tarahumara lipid metabolism these native mexicans number approximately 50 000 and reside in the sierra madre occidental mountains in the state of chihuahua the tarahumaras have coupled an agrarian diet to endurance racing probably as a result coronary heart disease which is so prevalent in western industrialized nations is virtually non existent in their culture loosely translated the name tarahumara means fleet of foot reflecting a tribal passion for betting on kickball races in which participants run distances of 100 miles or more while kicking a machete carved wooden ball the typical tarahumara diet consists primarily of pinto beans tortillas and pinole a drink made of ground roasted corn mixed with cold water together with squash and gath ered fruits and vegetables the tara humaras also eat small amounts of game fish and eggs their food contains approximately 12 percent of total calories as fat of which the majority 69 percent is of vegetable origin dietician martha mcmurry a coinvestigator in the study describes their diet as simple and very rich in nutrients while low in cholesterol and fat the tarahumaras have average plasma cholesterol levels of 121 mg dl low density lipoprotein ldl cholesterol levels of 72 mg dl and high density lipoprotein hdl cholesterol levels of 32 to 42 mg dl all of those values are in the good low risk range according to the researchers elevated cholesterol and ldl cholesterol levels are considered risk factors for heart hicnet medical newsletter page 20 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 disease hdl cholesterol is considered beneficial in previous studies the tarahumaras had been found to be at low risk for cardiac disease although able to respond to high cholesterol diets with elevations in total and ldl cholesterol clinical research center dietitian mcmurry and coinvestigator maria teresa cerqueira established a metabolic unit in a jesuit mission school building near a community hospital in the small village of sisoguichi food was weighed cooked and fed to the study participants under the investigators direct supervision ensuring that subjects ate only food stipulated by the research protocol fasting blood was drawn twice weekly and plasma samples were frozen and shipped to dr connors laboratory for cholesterol triglyceride and lipoprotein analyses regular measurements included participant body weight height and triceps skin fold thickness thirteen tarahumaras five women and eight men including one adolescent were fed their native diet for 1 week followed by 5 weeks of an affluent diet in this study we went up to a concentration of dietary fat that was 40 percent of total calories this is the prototype of the holiday diet that many americans consume a diet high in fat sugar and cholesterol low in fiber elaborates dr conners such dietary characteristics are reflected in the cholesterol saturation index or csi recently devised research dietitian sonja conner working with dr connor the csi is a single number that incorporates both the amount of cholesterol and the amount of saturated fat in the diet csi indicates the diets potential to elevate the cholesterol level particularly the ldl dr connor explains the tarahumaran diet averages a very low csi of 20 dr connors affluent diet used in the study ranks a csi of 149 the experimental design of this study reflects the importance of establishing baseline plasma lipid levels typical of the native diet before exposing subjects to the experimental diet the standard curve relating dietary food intake to plasma cholesterol demonstrates a leveling off or plateau for consumption of large amounts of fat changes in dietary fat and or cholesterol in this range have little effect on plasma levels you must have the baseline diet almost free of the variables you are going to put into the experimental diet the framingham study for example did not discriminate on the basis of diet between individuals who got heart disease because the diet was already high in fat all subjects were already eating on a plateau dr connor says after 5 weeks of consuming the affluent diet the subjects mean plasma cholesterol levels had in creased by 31 percent primarily in the ldl fraction which rose 39 percent hdl cholesterol increased by 31 per cent and ldl to hdl ratios changed therefore very little plasma triglyceride levels increased by 18 percent and subjects averaged an 8 pound gain in weight according to dr connor lipid changes occurred surprisingly soon yielding nearly the same results after 7 days of affluent diet as after 35 days hicnet medical newsletter page 21 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 the increase in hdl carries broad dietary implications for industrialized nations we think hdl cholesterol increased because we increased the amount of dietary fat over the fat content used in the previous tarahumara metabolic study in that study we saw no change in hdl levels after raising the dietary cholesterol but keeping the fat relatively consistent with native consumption in the present study we increased fat intake to 40 percent of the total calories we reached the conclusion in the tarahumara study that hdl reflects the amount of dietary fat in general and not the amount of dietary cholesterol hdl must increase to help metabolize the fat and it increased quite a bit in this study dr connor explains low hdl in the tarahumarans is not typically an important predictor of coronary heart disease because they do not normally consume large amounts of fat or cholesterol hdl remains an important predictor to americans because of their usual high fat intake dr connor recommends a diet for americans that contains less than 20 percent of total calories as fat less than 100 mg of cholesterol and a csi around 20 varying in accordance with caloric needs such a diet is low in meat and dairy fat high in fiber dr connor also comments on recent suggestions that americans adopt a mediterranean style diet the original mediterranean diet in its pristine state consisted of a very low intake of fat and very few animal and dairy products we are already eating a lot of meat and dairy products simply to continue that pattern while switching to olive oil is not going to help the situation the world health organization who is focusing much attention on the emergence of diseases such as coronary heart disease in nations and societies undergoing technological development dr connor says that coronary heart disease starts with a given societys elite who typically eat a different diet than the average citizen if the pattern of afluence increases the entire population will have have a higher incidence of coronary heart disease which places a termendous health care burden on a society who would like the developing countries to prevent coronary heart disease so they can concentrate on other aspects of their economic development and on public health measures to improve general well being rather than paying for unnecessary expensive medical technology dr connors says the overall implication of this study is that humans can readily move their plasma lipids and lipoprotein values into a high risk range within a very short time by an affluent excessive diet the present rate of coronary heart disease in the united states is 30 percent less than it was 20 years ago so a lot has been accomplished we are changing rapidly he concludes hicnet medical newsletter page 22 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 general announcments publications for health professionals available from nci 1 93 unless otherwise noted the following materials are provided free of charge by calling the ncis publication ordering service 1 800 4 cancer because federal government publications are not subject to copyright restriction you are free to photocopy nci material general information anticancer drug information sheets in spanish english two sided fact sheets in english and spanish provide information about side effects of common drugs used to treat cancer their proper usage and precautions for patients the fact sheets were prepared by the united states pharmacopeial convention inc for distribution by the national cancer institute single sets only may be ordered cancer rates and risks 3rd edition 85 691 this book is a compact guide to statistics risk factors and risks for major cancer sites it includes charts and graphs showing incidence mortality and survival worldwide and in the united states it also contains a section on the costs of cancer 136 pages diet nutrition cancer prevention a guide to food choices 87 2778 this booklet describes what is now known about diet nutrition and cancer prevention it provides information about foods that contain components like fiber fat and vitamins that may affect a persons risk of getting certain cancers it suggests ways to use that information to select from a broad variety of foods choosing more of some foods and less of others includes recipes and sample menus 39 pages national cancer institute fact book this book presents general information about the national cancer institute including budget data grants and contracts and historical information hicnet medical newsletter page 23 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 national cancer institute grants process 91 1222 revised 3 90 this booklet describes general nci grant award procedures includes chapters on eligibility preparation of grant application peer review eligible costs and post award activities 62 pages physician to physician perspective on clinical trials this 15 minute videocassette discusses why and how to enter patients on clinical trials it was produced in collaboration with the american college of surgeons commission on cancer students with cancer a resource for the educator 91 2086 revised 4 87 this booklet is designed for teachers who have students with cancer in their classrooms or schools it includes an explanation of cancer its treatment and effects and guidelines for the young persons re entry to school and for dealing with terminally ill students bibliographies are included for both educators and young people 22 pages understanding the immune system 92 529 this booklet describes the complex network of specialized cells and organs that make up the human immune system it explains how the system works to fight off disease caused by invading agents such as bacteria and viruses and how it sometimes malfunctions resulting in a variety of diseases from allergies to arthritis to cancer it was developed by the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases and printed by the national cancer institute this booklet presents college level instruction in immunology it is appropriate for nursing or pharmacology students and for persons receiving college training in other areas within the health professions 36 pages materials to help stop tobacco use chew or snuff educator package 91 2976 each package contains ten copies of chew or snuff is real bad stuff a brochure designed for seventh and eighth graders that describes the health and social effects of using hicnet medical newsletter page 24 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 smokeless tobacco products when fully opened the brochure can be used as a poster one copy of chew or snuff is real bad stuff a guide to make young people aware of the dangers of using smokeless tobacco this booklet is a lesson plan for teachers it contains facts about smokeless tobacco suggested classroom activities and selected educational resources how to help your patients stop smoking a national cancer institute manual for physicians 92 3064 this is a step by step handbook for instituting smoking cessation techniques in medical practices the manual with resource lists and tear out materials is based on the results of nci clinical trials 75 pages how to help your patients stop using tobacco a national cancer institute manual for the oral health team 91 3191 this is a handbook for dentists dental hygienists and dental assistants it complements the physicians manual and includes additional information on smoking prevention and on smokeless tobacco use 58 pages pharmacists helping smokers quit kit a packet of materials to help pharmacists encourage their smoking patients to quit contains a pharmacists guide and self help materials for 25 patients school programs to prevent smoking the national cancer institute guide to strategies that succeed 90 500 this guide outlines eight essential elements of a successful school based smoking prevention program based on nci research it includes a list of available curriculum resources and selected references 24 pages self guided strategies for smoking cessation a program planners guide 91 3104 this booklet outlines key characteristics of successful self help materials and programs based on nci collaborative research it lists additional resources and references 36 pages smoking policy questions and answers these ten fact sheets hicnet medical newsletter page 25 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 provide basic information about the establishment of worksite smoking policies topics range from the health effects of environmental tobacco smoke to legal issues concerning policy implementation strategies to control tobacco use in the united states a blueprint for public health action in the 1990s 92 3316 smoking and control monograph no 1 this volume provides a summary of what has been learned from 40 years of a public health effort against smoking from the early trial and error health information campaigns of the 1960s to the ncis science based project american stop smoking intervention study for cancer prevention which began in 1991 it offers reasons why comprehensive smoking control strategies are now needed to address the smokers total environment and to reduce smoking prevalence significantly over the next decade materials for outreach programs cancer prevention and early detection community outreach programs for health professionals three kits are available for community program planners and health professionals to set up local cancer prevention and early detection education projects do the right thing get a new attitude about cancer community outreach program this community outreach kit targets black american audiences it contains materials to help health professionals conduct community education programs for black audiences the kit emphasizes the early detection of breast cancer by mammography and of cervical cancer by the pap test it also discusses smoking and nutrition the kit includes helpful program guidance facts news articles visuals and brochures hagalo hoy community outreach program this community outreach kit targets hispanic audiences it contains bilingual and spanish language materials to help health professionals conduct community education programs the materials educate hispanic audiences about early detection of breast cancer by mammography hicnet medical newsletter page 26 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 and of cervical cancer by pap tests the kit also discusses smoking and related issues the kit includes helpful guidance facts news articles visuals and brochures once a year for a lifetime community outreach mammography program this community outreach kit targets all women age 40 or over it supplies community program planners and health professionals with planning guidance facts about mammography news articles visuals and brochures making health communication programs work a planners guide 92 1493 this handbook presents key principles and steps in developing and evaluating health communications programs for the public patients and health professionals it expands upon and replaces pretesting in health communications and making psas work 131 pages support material for community outreach programs the video and slide presentations listed below support the mammography outreach programs once a year for a lifetime videotape this 5 minute vhs videotape uses a dramatic format to highlight the important facts about the early detection of breast cancer by mammography una vez al ano para toda una vida videotape this 27 minute spanish videotape informs spanish speaking women of the need for medical screening particularly mammography it explains commonly misunderstood facts about breast cancer and early detection the program in a dramatic format features edward james olmos and cristina saralegui once a year for a lifetime speakers kit slide show this kit includes 66 full color slides and a number coded ready to read script suitable for a mammography presentation to a large group it addresses the misconceptions prevalent about mammography and urges women age 40 and older to get regular mammograms so that breast cancer can be detected as early as possible kit hicnet medical newsletter page 27 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 includes a guide poster media announcement news feature flyer and pamphlets on mammography this kit is available directly by writing to modern 5000 park street north st petersburg fl 33709 9989 end of part 2 internet david stat com fax 1 602 451 1165 bitnet atw1h asuacad fidonet 1 114 15 amateur packet ax25 wb7tpy wb7tpy az usa na religion ex gays follow up i would like to apologize for the typos in the previous post in retrospect i would also like to quote another source douglas c haldeman from his 1991 book homosexuality therapy ineffective recently the founders of yet another prominent ex gay ministry exodus international denounced their conversion therapy procedures as ineffective michael busse and gary cooper cofounders of exodus international and lovers for 13 years were involved with the organization from 1976 to 1979 the program was described by these men as ineffective not one person was healed they stated that the program often exacerbated already prominent feelings of guilt and personal failure among the counselees many were driven to suicidal thoughts as a result of the failed reparative therapy the previous article quoted in the last posting is from the advocate june 30 1992 called the ex ex gay by robert pela some personal thoughts it is of no great astonishment that there is a concerted effort by a major portion of the church to control and mandate change of a minority among its ranks this was the momentum behind the spanish inquisition only all they required was a confession of faith after much torture and then to save their souls they would dispatch them to heaven through death even later the bible was used vigorously to defend slavery oppression and segragation of african americans even to the justification of lynchings todays scholars are just a bit more slick in their approach the tool is still coersion but now it is mostly by means of brainwashing and mind control convincing people that they should see themselves as less than god sees them then maintaining a cultic hold on them until it is felt thier mind conditioning is complete sure no one is physically forced to stay in this reparative therapy but sheer social pressure is enough for many to keep themselves in this new found bondage of self hate as an abolitionist i advocate the abolishment of oppression and persecution against gays in all facets of civil life a person should be judged by the contibution or non contribution to the society in which they live not by some high brow standard of conformity imposed by those who haven t a clue what is in their heart for those who seek more information about gays and groups that accept them please contact your nearest chapter of pflag parents friends of lesbians and gays who will be more than happy to assist you this is a group of people comprised of gays lesbians and bisexuals their parents and friends who have formed a support group for help and understanding try talking to a parent of a gay son or daughter and learn some first hand real life and loving understanding gods love and understanding for gay people is no less abundant thank you pax cars re mazda just does not feel right in article mxm1003 734826257 msi umn edu mxm1003 s15 msi umn edu ram v mohan writes ive a 89 mazda 323 with about 42000 miles on it recently i do not get a good feeling of the road esp on a wet pavement when driving the car it feels as if the car is wandering and there is no grip on the road the tires are the original ones and have threads on them passes the penny head test i had the shocks and struts and alignment checked and things are fine however i feel like that i dont have the grip of the road and feel as if the car is wandering esp on turns any help in this is appreciated thanks two shots at it 1 check the tires again if you can see the wear bars youre down to problem area and some tires pass a penny test between the bars thats no guide at all your problem in the wet is call hydroplaning you may not have enough tread left to channel water out from under the tire so it goes fishy on you as it lifts off the road 2 tires age in particular soft tire compounds get harder as you put them thru more heat cycles harder compounds dont grip as well as soft ones effect is very noticable on tires that get very hot very often such as in competition but it hits all tires bob benson cars re drag coefficientsvx s in a previous article gwm spl1 spl loral com gary w mahan says could someone explain how to make sense of drag coefficients i e cd mentioned in magazines i understand that lower numbers signify better aerodynamics but what does this mean in the real world is there a way to calculate new top speeds assuming the car is not rev limited at top speed or mileage benefits if a identical car had the cd reduced from 34 to 33 its pretty complex and cd isnt the whole story either cd for cars is usually calculated based on the frontal area of the car so a large car with a good cd could get the same drag force as a smaller car with a poorer cd to calculate drag use this formula d 1 2 rho v 2 cd s where d is the drag force lbs rho is the local air density slugs ft 3 v is the velocity ft s and s is the frontal area ft 2 note that the pieces called 1 2 rho v 2 are sometimes called qbar or dynamic pressure a fancy aero term for air pressure or force note that power is p f v where p is power lbf ft s f is the force drag in this case lbf and v is velocity ft s note that if you put the whole equation into one by substituting d for force you get a velocity cubed term thats why huge increases in power result in little increases in speed ditto for decreases in cd so if you have a 100 mph car and reduce cd from 34 to 33 your new top speed is sound of trumpet fanfare 101 mph sorry to dissappoint al bowers dod 900 alfa ducati hobie kottke blad iaido nasa well goodness sakes dont you know that girls cant play guitar mary chapin carpenter cars re 6700 for hail damage a record in article 1993apr20 203219 7724 pencom com stecz pencom com writes in article 1993apr19 235711 7285 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes my 90 integra was hit hard in the 3 25 hailstorm in austin tx the insurance company cut me a check for 6600 100 deductible last week is this a record anybody else had settlements from the same hailstorm yet craig rumor has it that a guy at dell computer had his miata totalled so that would be about 10k i guess it either had the top down or the hail ripped through the top as you could not do 10k worth of hail damage to a miata body craig john steczkowski stecz pencom com the constitution grants you the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness it does not attempt to guarantee that everyone will be happy windows problem on dos box from windows this file is compressed ive started getting a message from windows 3 1 whenever i try to execute a dos program from windows either thru the program manager or the file manager a message box comes up and says this program or one of its components is compressed use the ms dos expand command to expand the file now i know this is bogus because i can always execute the program from dos when not running windows the program in question is command com yup the basic dos command line shell and the expand command tells me that the file is already expanded all my windows apps work just fine i only get this message when trying to execute a dos program from windows clues anyone thanks christopher wroten cfw world std com windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in a previous article jenk microsoft com jen kilmer wrote i had posted that it came from a survey of registered users i double checked with a friendly neighborhood marketing type and found there were actually two surveys one of randomly selected resellers one of randomly selected users from the 6 upgrade registered user database both surveys showed a 93 positive rating jen include stdisclaimer jenk microsoft com msdos testing which translates to 7 not satisfied i dont think its the awkward recursive deletion thats bugging people it certainly isnt the nice windows interfaces for new dos accessories cpav defrager undelete as far as ive noticed its doublespace crashes frankly the fairly high rates of doublespace crashes ive heard of surprises me i figured that since the os is presumably aware of doublespace it is less likely to crash unlike stacker which fools the os but do is gullible anyway dos 6 is aware of doublespace isnt it anyway good job on dos 5 and dos 6 is good for new users just beware the doublespace rob rmohns vax clarku edu rob mohns annoy rush limbaugh think for yourself baseball re florida sucks this talk about the phillies winning the nl east is scary very scary dont get me wrong im a phillies fan but as late as last year they looked helpless the funny thing was they did have a lot of injuries in 92 spring training that basically killed their chances of course dont forget the dykstra wrist injury in the first or second game baseball re tigers all i can say is g o t i g e r s the logistician reigns supreme go blue go tigers go pistons go lions go red wings ching wpi wpi edu cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time ak296 yfn ysu edu john r daker writes cup holders driving is an importantant enough undertaking this is a good idea so you can carry your non alcoholic drinks without spilling or having someone hold on to them cellular phones and mobile fax machines see above fax machines yes cellular phones why not get a hands free model fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs seemingly unique to american luxury cars the big three havent yet realized that the 1970s are over any gold trim i agree just another display of yuppie excess jon dunn baseball mlb standings and scores for thu apr 15th 1993 mlb standings and scores for thursday april 15th 1993 including yesterdays games national west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road houston astros 05 03 625 5 3 won 5 00 03 05 00 atlanta braves 06 04 600 6 4 lost 1 03 03 03 01 san francisco giants 05 04 556 0 5 5 4 lost 1 02 01 03 03 los angeles dodgers 03 06 333 2 5 3 6 lost 3 00 02 03 04 colorado rockies 02 05 286 2 5 2 5 lost 3 02 03 00 02 san diego padres 02 06 250 3 0 2 6 lost 3 00 03 02 03 cincinnati reds 02 07 222 3 5 2 7 lost 3 01 02 01 05 national east philadelphia phillies 08 01 889 8 1 won 5 05 01 03 00 pittsburgh pirates 06 02 750 1 5 6 2 won 3 03 02 03 00 st louis cardinals 06 02 750 1 5 6 2 won 2 04 02 02 00 new york mets 04 03 571 3 0 4 3 won 2 02 03 02 00 chicago cubs 04 05 444 4 0 4 5 won 1 01 02 03 03 montreal expos 03 05 375 4 5 3 5 lost 2 00 02 03 03 florida marlins 03 06 333 5 0 3 6 won 2 02 04 01 02 american west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road texas rangers 06 02 750 6 2 lost 1 04 02 02 00 california angels 05 02 714 0 5 5 2 won 3 03 02 02 00 oakland athletics 04 03 571 1 5 4 3 lost 1 04 02 00 01 seattle mariners 04 03 571 1 5 4 3 won 1 03 02 01 01 chicago white sox 04 04 500 2 0 4 4 won 1 02 03 02 01 minnesota twins 04 04 500 2 0 4 4 lost 1 01 02 03 02 kansas city royals 01 07 125 5 0 1 7 lost 2 01 05 00 02 american east boston red sox 06 02 750 6 2 won 2 02 00 04 02 new york yankees 05 03 625 1 0 5 3 won 2 02 00 03 03 toronto blue jays 04 03 571 1 5 4 3 lost 1 03 02 01 01 detroit tigers 03 04 429 2 5 3 4 won 1 01 00 02 04 cleveland indians 03 05 375 3 0 3 5 lost 2 02 01 01 04 milwaukee brewers 02 05 286 3 5 2 5 lost 4 00 02 02 03 baltimore orioles 02 06 250 4 0 2 6 won 1 00 02 02 04 yesterdays scores idle teams listed in alphabetical order national league american league houston 9 baltimore 6 montreal 5 texas 5 pittsburgh 11 seattle 10 san diego 7 toronto 9 10 chicago 6 cleveland 7 atlanta 0 boston 12 cincinnati 2 california 12 philadelphia 9 milwaukee 2 new york 6 kansas city 5 colorado 3 new york 6 florida 6 minnesota ppd san francisco 4 chicago rain st louis 2 detroit idle los angeles 1 15 oakland idle joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers guns re that silly outdated bill was re koresh and miranda scottj magic dml georgetown edu john l scott writes the issue has never been whether tanks were used in detroit in 1967 it has been whether they fired their main guns never this is incorrect either you dont read very well or resort to falsehoods in an attempt to make a point at the risk of boring and belaboring the point my claim was the chain was regarding the tanks last used in detroit in 48 the text follows you did not merely claim that tanks were used you claimed that they fired their main guns to suppress sniper fire and that they were quite effective at this indeed when coffman claimed they were only used as apcs i did say i had been told they did fire their main guns you continue to back away from this claim and defend something else that nobody is disputing well the poster who i responded to did dispute the use of tanks post 48 rude of you to call gary coffman a nobody well its not the main gun gee thats only the entire point are you now going to admit that you were wrong that was the entire point to you what exactly did i claim ive heard eye witness descriptions of tanks using their main guns to respond to sniper fire quite effectively i wasnt wrong ive heard those descriptions if youre paying attention ive mentioned that i saw the tanks with my own eyes but the main gun firing was an account i heard that helps people judge whether or not to kick in the to use your words bullshit filters stating that i claimed this is a falsehood what was it i claimed as fact heres the entire post we havent used tanks against the black ghettos since detroit 1948 correction i know they used tanks in detroit 1968 i saw em it was well covered in the news at that time gordon lightfoot mentions it in his song black day in july since you dont dispute that and claim that nobody else does that means i was right i will never read of tanks firing their main guns in detroit in the 67 riots there is simply no way that such an event could have taken place without it being common knowledge even 26 years later the american military firing shells from tanks in american cities on blacks would have been big news so one would suppose some folks think in happened in 48 awesley goes on you can also read of the troops using grenade launchers to fire fragmentary grenades i doubt that as well to fire concussion grenades perhaps to fire tear gas certainly but you would be perfectly willing to let us believe they fired frags wouldnt you since it makes your other claim seem more plausible john again strawman techniques do you feel youre losing it so you have to stretch what i said and knock that down what i read said nothing about what they fired and so i put nothing in there if you need some help let me know and il take your side of this for a while youre not scoring here youre boring here if tanks had fired their main guns in detroit people would have been screaming about it for the past two and half decades i would know about it glad to know youre such an expert nice to hear some an authority i especially appreciate your basis of knowledge if it had happened you would have know it since you are such an authority you probably know that people did scream about an alleged massive cover up in the number of people killed in the detroit riot some claimed 100 dead others said 300 the offical number is 43 but the concise columbia encyclopedia says it was several ive also heard some things about that but i wont dare repeat them youd assert that i claimed they were truth unless you also claim that the national guard managed to cover it up taking the tour after the riots it was pretty easy to tell the difference between army and guard troops or so i recall from 26 years ago and i seem to recall it was the army running the tanks so it would have been an army cover up another part of my memories was that while most damaged building were burnt some were in rubble based on what i remember i was and am inclined to believe an old sarge or two if your mind is open enough to believe that well good for you i prefer to live in reality and here in reality i find it hard to believe that those tanks even had any shells much less fired them given the level in destruction in detroit im quite willing to believe that they did fire their guns now then weve bored the shit out of anyone whose bothered to read this far and all youve managed to say is that you dont believe the account i cited john l scott wes religion re disillusioned protestant finds christ in article 1qmhp7 33t usenet ins cwru edu cj195 cleveland freenet edu john w redelfs writes in a previous article tom tredysvr tredydev unisys com tom albrecht says in article 1qb726 j9d usenet ins cwru edu cj195 cleveland freenet edu john w redelfs writes i learned that god loves his children who have never heard of him and has a plan for redeeming them too even those who have died without a knowledge of christ i learned that a man cannot frustrate justice by repenting on his death bed because repentance is more than a feeling of remorse it requires faith in christ proven by following him by keeping his commandments such cannot be accomplished on ones deathbed so jesus must have lied to the thief on the cross paradise and salvation are not the same thing salvation is better refer to john 14 2 i dont see the effort to equate salvation with paradise rather i see implied the fact that only those who are saved may enter paradise robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu guns re 2nd amendment dead good from article 1993apr18 001319 2340 gnv ifas ufl edu by jrm gnv ifas ufl edu yea there are millions of cases where yoy say that firearms deter criminals alas this is not provable i think that that there are actually few cases where this is so it certainly is provable around a million americans every year defend themselves with firearms in many of these cases the defender doesnt even have to fire a shot the mere presence of a gun is oftentimes all the deterrent that is needed i dont like violence anymore than anyone else does but taking away the right of americans to keep and bear arms is not the solution to the violent crime problem in this country if honest law abiding citizens are unable to get firearms then they will be preyed on even more by criminals who will be able to acquire guns through illegal channels expect to start seeing the crime syndicates who smuggle drugs into this country start smuggling guns believe me this will happen there is plenty of economic incentive for gangsters to illegaly import guns into this country if guns should be banned by the klintonistas the bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary opponents those who posessa a cool jakcet you want those who would argue with you about a parking space those who would take your woman in short trivial and worthless causes statistics por favor too much of this has ruined you cause there is no recovery in the near future federal martials will come for your arms no one will help you you are more dangerous to their thinking than the criminal this is your own fault see my previous post that ought to set you straight the 2nd amendment is dead accept this find another way people have the right to keep and bear arms no matter what the constitution says that means that even if the 2nd amendment is repealed the people thats all american citizens fyi will still have the right to keep and bear arms scott kennedy brewer and patriot before david koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the bible through the barrel of a gun atf spokesman after the atf is a cheap thug who interprets the constitution through the barrel of a gun me windows re challenge to microsoft supporters jack feenix metronet com jack hudler writes its called the free enterprize system i suggests that those who wish to enhance dos do it an sell it or give it away microsoft cant be everything to everyone period it has been done but the other companies dont have the marketing budgets that ms do 4dos for instance is everything that command com should have been but never could be under ms those who use it usually find it more addictive than crack cocaine but they have to rely on word of mouth for sales it seems to have worked pretty good so far but your corporate weenie manager type usually likes to see a big glossy ad in pc magazine thats okay marketing isnt a fundamental human right but theyve got a product thats superior to the dos command interpreter in every way they have a lot more to be proud of than ms does if ms really gave a damn they could duplicate it buy it outright theyve got the money or even use the old ruse of sending engineers out to help them with compatability issues and absconding with the technology dos is a mediocre product at a cheap price backed up by top notch marketing and vendor agreements the mediocre was excusable in the early days when it was someone elses hack but theyve had ten years to play with it an interesting thought on that most ms products that im aware of in the last few years allow you to access the names of the designers and programmers through easter egg screens including windows or at least have the names buried in the files is there such a thing in dos 5 0 and 6 0 or are they too ashamed to have their names on it theres at least one fool in every married couple guns re fbi directors statement on waco standoff thats the bd side of the story the other is that d koresh met agents at the door with a weapon remember the affidavit indicates that koresh had spent 200 000 on assault weapons in the past year and now we know that the bunker adjacent to the house is thigh deep with a million rounds of ammunition the news statement was that there was 200 000 worth of firearms and ammunition no mention of assault weapons on the premises not that koresh had purchased them what would his crime be if he had this averages to about 2000 per person not an astronomical number we dont know that there is a thigh deep pile of a million rounds we know that the fbi says there is a pile of a million rounds this is the first ive heard that koresh was identified as being at the door with a weapon guns re the pill for deer no hunting iftccu talk politics guns jrm gnv ifas ufl edu 6 26 am apr 14 1993 the vast majority get through life without ever having to own use or display a firearm i suppose that depends on how you define vast majority you are correct about majority somewhere between 1 out of three and one out of 10 will at some period in their lives experience a violent assault the risk is generally higher than emergency medical problems like heart attack and stroke vast is probably too loose a term with approximately 1 000 000 americans using firearms each year over a 30 year period we get roughly since some may have to do this more than once 30 million americans with experience in using firearms for self defense 30 250 yields 12 percent of the population yes i know that is a real rough estimate were closer to 270 million now but many of these are minors and should be included etc thus the percentage if anything is low at any rate most minority groups in this range are not usually referred to as tiny minorities so i dont see how the other part of the group can be referred to as the vast majority a little more work might support a simple majority of americans never use own or display a firearm certainly when you are talking about ownership you are wrong nearly half of your fellow citizens own one or more firearms besides there are other means of self protection which can be just as effective as firearms please provide a list of other means that are as effective then you might convince your local police departments to switch good luck rick medicine re eugenics subject re eugenics gordon banks writes probably within 50 years a new type of eugenics will be possible maybe even sooner we are now mapping the human genome we will then start to work on manipulation of that genome using genetic engineering we will be able to insert whatever genes we want no breeding no hybrids etc the ethical question is should we two past problems with eugenics have been 1 reducing the gene pool and 2 defining the status of the eugenized inserting genes would not seem to reduce the gene pool unless the inserted genes later became transmissible to progeny then they may be able to crowd out garbage genes this may in the future become possible even if it does awareness of the need to maintain the gene pool would hopefully mean provisions will be made for saving genes that may come in handy later evidently the genes for sickle cell disease in equatorial africa and for diabetes in the hopi promoted survival in some conditions we dont really know what the future may hold for our environment the reduced wilderness and disease survival capacity of our relatively inbred domesticated animals comes to mind vulcanism nuclear winter ice age meteor impact new microbiological threats famine global warming etc etc are all conceivable therefore having as many genes as possible available is a good strategy for species survival of course the status of genetically altered individuals would start out as no different than anyone elses but if we could make philosopher kings with great bodies and long lives would we or they want to give them elevated status we could the romans did it with their kings without the benefits of such eugenics the race eventually realized and dealt with the problems which that caused but for a while it was a problem orwell introduced us to the notion of what might happen to persons genetically altered for more menial tasks but there is nothing new under the sun we treated slaves the same way for millennia before 1984 i see no inherent problem with gene therapy which avoids at least these 2 problems humans have always had trouble having the virtue and wisdom to use any power that falls into their hands to good ends all the time that hasnt stopped the race as a whole yet many are the civilizations which have died from inability to adapt to environmental change however also many are the civilizations which have died from the abuse of their own power the ones which survived have hopefully learned a lesson from the fates of others and have survived by making better choices when their turns came not that i dont think that this gene altering power couldnt wipe us off the face of the earth or cause endless suffering nuclear power or global warming or whatever could and may still do that too the real issue is an issue of wisdom and virtue i personally dont think man has enough wisdom and virtue to pull this next challenge off any better than he did the for last few we as eugenists may make it an we may not if we dont i hope there are reservoirs of garbage people out in some backwater with otherwise long discarded garbage genes which will pull us through i believe that the real problem is and will probably always be the same man needs to accept input from the great spirit of god to overcome his lacks in the area of knowing how to use the power he has some men have and i believe all men may listen to and obey the still small voice of god in their hearts this is the way to begin to recieve the wisdom and virtue needed to escape the problems consequent to poor choices peoples have died out for many reasons the societies which failed to accept enough input from god to safely use the power they had developed have destroyed themselves and often others in the process it is self evident that the ones which survive today have either accepted enough input from the spirit to use their powers wisely enough to avoid or survive their own mistakes thus far or else havent had enough power for long enough in summary i would say that the question of whether to use this new technology is really an ancient one and the answer in some ways hard in some ways easy is the same ancient answer it isnt the power it is the spirit sorry for the long post got carried away bob ruegg med unc edu guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1993apr20 195636 17742 guinness idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu andrew betz writes in article c5sou8 lnb news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes watch from where two miles away far enough away that whatever really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of a humiliated agency that said quote enough is enough please tell me what you think would have happened had the people come out with their hands up several weeks ago no answer you didnt answer the question the fbi took people out of camera range it is thus possible that they were engaging in questionable activities i do not feel like the cameras were out of range cameras watched the first confrontation cameras watched the banners cmaeras watched the final confrontation with tanks cameras watched the fire when werent cameras able to watch when would cameras be unable to watch people coming out with their hands up as to your question please tell me what you think would have happened had the atf goon squad knocked and asked politely several weeks ago as opposed to playing rambo with a t v crew in tow well that is what batf should have done either koresh would have gone peaceably as he has done in the past or perhaps it was already too close to the apocalypse in his own mind it is hard to predict the actions of a leader who would not release the children when most rational people would now will you answer my question up top drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho when you outlaw rights only outlaws will have rights spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrection nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia mi5 mi6 kgb deuterium medicine re heat shock proteins by the way ms olmstead dna is not degraded in the stomach nor under ph of 2 its degraded in the duodenum under approx neutral ph by dnaase enzymes secreted by the pancreas my point check your facts before yelling at other people for not doing so just a friendly suggestion aaj 4 26 93 baseball re juan gonzalez hr title not real come back ten years from now and look at the careers of juan gonzalez vs mark mcguire and then tell us how bogus the juanderful ones 1992 hr title was id say that by 2003 juan will be preparing his hof acceptance speech while the voters will be saying mark mcwho ken melcher i am typing real slow because e mail kmelcher arco com i know you cant read very fast cars re the 1994 mustang in article c5zzd8 1kt mentor cc purdue edu marshatt feserve cc purdue edu zauberer writes disclamer this is not a flame if you anger easily please go on petebre elof iit edu brenta peterson writes the next mustang will be fords highest profile car it attracts way more attention than the camaro firebird because its heritage is more embedded in the general public dont lie to yourself and believe ford will forfeit that fyi they already did oh really when too bad that the current mustang cant even compete with the new camaro without using an active imagination the 93 mustang cobra can check it out right now few cars can compare with the 93 camaro think about it 20 000 for a car that will out perform all but a few exotics if you are now swearing at me look at the stats they dont lie there are no comparable cars in its class certinaly not for its price ehhhh maybe the 93 mustang cobra does a good job for a lower price and its just a taste of whats ahead in the 30th anniversary of the original pony car unless the ford gets the 32v 300hp romeo you dont seriously believe that it was designed for the mark viii only do you hey can you imagine the potential of a modified lt 1 folks in a few years we will surpass the levels of performance achieved in the late 60s thats scary just think corvettes are almost up to the performance levels of a 65 cobra wow in a few years they might be up to the performance levels of a 66 ford gt 40 wow man just think about it james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven guns re fbi directors statement on waco standoff the branch davidians were not violent and were not planning to start violence when the bd compound was assaulted by the atf the bd did fire back but they agreed to a cease fire and they allowed the atf to care for their wounded the bd even released the atf agents they captured it is clear from the release of the agents and allowing the atf medical attention that the bd were not looking for trouble if the bd were violent they would have held the atf agents as hostages they would not have released them like they did if they had kept the agents hostage they could have used them as bargening chips for medical attention etc a big thing is being made of the bd collection of weapons but no one has shown that they had any plans to use them it is also apparent that the bd did not have any military training if they had they could have dug bunkers and trenches and increased their fortifications they could have shot out the lights and speakers it appears that the bd were not violent they shot back at the attacking atf agents out of panic there were shots fired on the last day but they were in response to the fbi attack on the compound with armor all the violence in waco was initiated by the federal agents not the bd rod anderson n0nzo the only acceptable substitute boulder co for brains is silence rcanders nyx cs du edu solomon short satellite n0nzo on ao 16 cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico i would gladly spend twice the money for insurance rather than using geico not only do they supply radar guns to the police they also want to make radar detectors illegal they also ask if you have a detector probably to put you in a high risk group or just refuse to insure you i know a few people who were droped by geico due to an accident that was not their fault rob gallant oasys dt navy mil medicine star gartds sp info wanted a friends daughter has been diagnosed with an eye disease called star gartds or something close it is apparently genetic according to her and affects every fourth generation she would appreciate any information about this condition if anything is available via ftp please point me in the right direction the old frogs almanac a salute to that old frog hissef ryugen fisher 604 245 3205 v32 604 245 4366 2400x4 sco xenix 2 3 2 gt ladysmith british columbia canada serving central vancouver island with public access usenet and internet mail home to the holocaust almanac baseball re how does a pitcher get a save mikef bvc edu writes in article 1993apr23 135139 18749 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902060 ariel yorku ca geoffrey e dias writes the subject line says it all what is the rule that qualifies a pitcher as making a save imho this is the most untrustworthy silly stat by todays rules in all of baseball my understanding is to qualify as a save a pitcher cannot pitch more than three innings and the potential tying run must at least appear in the on deck circle also the lead a pitcher enters with cannot excede three runs this is a phenomenon known around work as ready fire aim i am astounded at the number of times people post strong opinions about things they not only dont understand but publicly admit to not understanding in fact theres a plausible argument that saves are a more rational stat than wins for the record there are two ways that a reliever can get a save he must finish the game and either 1 have entered the game with the tying run on base at bat or on deck 2 have pitched at least three innings effectively a pitcher may not get a win and a save in the same game i believe that the official scorers must assert more of their authority in determining winners savers etc for instance a pitcher can come in in the ninth with a lead blow the lead fall behind have his team come back in the next half inning and earn the win has this pitcher earned a win no way but this is an argument that wins is a dumb stat not saves i guy could pitch five strong innings of middle relief and see his teammates rally to tie the score assume he came in to start the fourth and left after the eighth his teammate holds the opposition scoreless in the ninth and they score a run in the bottom of the ninth to win the third pitcher earns the win and the middle reliever gets no stat satisfaction this again doesnt support your claim about saves at the beginning of your post mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com conceptual integrity is the most important consideration in system design frederick p brooks jr the mythical man month guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 1993apr26 172903 12436 starbase trincoll edu writes in article c5ycou m5b cbnewse cb att com random cbnewse cb att com david l pope wrote from article 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu by ive yet to meet a group of baptists who were stockpiling cambells soup and m 16s ar 15s and banging marrying thirteen yuear sic olds so out of the numerous baptists that you hang around with you havent seen any of the above behavior which trait stocking food for more than a week or owning a firearm is the definition of a cult what proof aside from davids aquittal leads you to believe that any banging marrying of thirteen year olds was going on does your wife know that you equate marriage with banging sic oh youre really bright as if nobody would have understood it was a typo that was a reasonable insertion so folks would know random hadnt made an error reposting your message no one was flaming you for the typo several parents with children who either had at one time or currently were inside the compound made the aforementioned charges one parent actually spoke about said charges in reference to his 13 year old daughter with koresh on the phone i have heard such claims from disgruntled former members could be true who knows no proof and what does all this have to do with the batf and fbi actions you missed my point entirely no you missed his youre a sorry son of a bitch if you cant draw a distinction between these two things since this guy doesnt like the concept of freedom of religion hes going to insult you and your mom since youre unable to formulate a cogent response you make a lame joke people like you cheapen our constitution by using it to defend sociopaths who arent deserved of it get a life and chill on the paranoia sociopath person with asocial or antisocial beahavior sociopaths 200 persons all who cant stand other people sharing the same ranch house anti social normally meaning a response against societal norms stealing is sociopathic behavior its not an oxymoron to have a group of sociopaths i guess youre not a psychologist oh well joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu it all suddenly becomes clear maybe you should get an education my man why does everyone discover the net in the spring why wont some assholes use a sig so i can send them mail instead of wasting bandwidth this from someone who does not have a return address in his header newsgroups talk politics guns from subject re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders followup to talk politics guns sender usenet starbase trincoll edu sacm usenet news organization trinity college hartford ct lines 65 whereas david pope random did so a reasonable newsreader could simply hit reply to his comments but not to yours get an education in internet use my man random joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 baseball scott erickson does anyone have the scoop on scot erickson how long is he going to be out for guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article 93110 11320334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes ah yes i see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork to defend the burning of the children probably drooled all over themselves while watching the tv coverage probably had a few like that in nazi germany as well oh yeah atf fbi now claims according the the media that there are a few survivors the number seems to vary minute by minute windows re beta testers required for winsock version of windows trumpet in a previous article peter psychnet psychol utas edu au peter r tattam says contact me for details peter psychnet psychol utas edu au peter this is posted on behalf of peter tattam there is a north american mirror with the beta test version of wintrumpet for winsock please contact me or peter for details ashok ashok aiyar department of biochemistry cwru axa12 po cwru edu for internet access telnet ftp in cleveland contact info wariat org telnet to wariat wariat org and login as bbs dial 216 481 9425 9445 v 32bis or 216 481 9436 2400 bps windows why are our desktop fonts changing one of our users is having an unusual problem if she does an alt tab to a full screen dos program when she goes back to windows her desktop fonts have changed if she goes back to a full screen dos program and then goes back to windows the font has changed back to its default font its not a major problem everything works and the font is legible but it is annoying does anyone have any idea why this happens by the way she has a dec 486d2lp machine jeffrey m cohen voice 518 442 3510 office for research ad 218 fax 518 442 3560 the university at albany e mail jc924 uacsc2 albany edu state university of new york 1400 washington ave albany ny 12222 medicine resound hearing aid theory as i understand it the following is based on copies i was given of some articles published in hearing instruments i would appreciate any comments about this and other new technology for hearing aids the resound system was developed on the basis of some research at at t and appears to take a different approach from other aids it appears to me that a new programmable aid like the widex just uses a more flexible and programmable version of the classical approach of amplifying some parts of the spectrum more than others and adding some compression to try and help out in noisy situations the major difference in the resound approach is that it divides the spectrum into low and high frequencies splitting point is programmable apparently based on the fact that lots of vowel information can be found in the low frequencies while the important consonant information unfortunately for me is in the high frequencies the two bands then are treated with different compression schemes which are programable they have also developed a new fitting algorythm that builds on what they call abnormal growth of loudness this latter is interesting and fits my own personal experience though i think the phrase is missleading what appears to be the case is that as you exceed the minimum threshold for a person with hearing loss the deficit becomes progresslively less compared to normals and by the time you reach the too loud point the sensitivity curves appear to converge this means that if you just boost all sound levels you are overloading at the high end for people with hearing losses hence what you want is progressively less amplification as the signal get closer to the maximum tolerable point you want to boost low volume sounds more than high and do so potentially differently for the low and high frequency parts of the spectrum specially for someone like me who is relatively normal up to 1000 cps and then falls off a cliff aids with simple compressors dont descriminate between energy in the low and high frequencies and can therefor compress useful high frequency information because of high volume of low frequency components particularly impressive was the resound performance with whispered speech and in simulated restaurant noise situations rich haller rhaller ns uoregon edu university of oregon eugene or usa medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1rp8p1 2d3 usenet ins cwru edu esd3 po cwru edu elisabeth s davidson writes in a previous article banschbach vms ocom okstate edu says least a few enlightened physicians practicing in the u s its really too bad that most u s medical schools dont cover nutrition because if they did candida would not be viewed as a non disease by so many in the medical profession case western reserve med school teaches nutrition in its own section as well as covering it in other sections as they apply i e b12 deficiency in neuro as a cause of neuropathy b12 deficiency in hematology as a cause of megaloblastic anemia yet i sill hold the viewpoint of mainstream medicine candida can cause mucocutaneous candidiasis and in already very sick patients with damaged immune systems like aids and cancer patients systemic candida infection i think the yeast connection is a bunch of hooey what does this have to do with how well nutrition is taught anyway elisabeth lets set the record straight for the nth time i have not read the yeast connection so anything that i say is not due to brainwashing by this hated book its okay i guess to hate the book by why hate me elisabeth im going to quote from zinssers microbiology 20th edition a book that you should be familiar with and not hate candida species colonize the mucosal surfaces of all humans during birth or shortly thereafter the risk of endogenous infection is clearly ever present indeed candidiasis occurs worldwide and is the most common systemic mycosis neutrophils play the main role in preventing a systemic infection candidiasis so you would have to have a low neutrophil count or sick neutrophils to see a systemic infection poor diet and persistent parasitic infestation set many third world residents up for candidiasis your assessment of candidiasis in the u s is correct and i do not dispute it what i posted was a discussion of candida blooms without systemic infection these blooms would be responsible for local sites of irritation gi tract mouth vagina and sinus cavity knocking down the bacterial competition for candida was proposed as a possible trigger for candida blooms let me quote from zinssers again however some factors such as the use of a broad spectrum antibacterial antibiotic may predispose to both mucosal and systemic infections i was addressing mucosal infections i like the term blooms better the nutrition course that i teach covers this effect of antibiotic treatment as well as the cure i guess that your nutrition course does not too bad here is a brief primer on yeast yeast infections as they are commonly called are not truely caused by yeasts the most common organism responsible for this type of infection is candida albicans or monilia which is actually a yeast like fungus well maybe im getting picky but i always thought that a yeast was one form that a fungus could exist in the other being the mold form many fungi can occur as either yeasts or molds depending on environment candida exibits what is known as reverse dimorphism it exists as a mold in the tissues but exists as a yeast in the environment should we maybe call it a mold infection a fungus infection maybe we should say it is caused by a mold like fungus martin banschbach ph d professor of biochemistry and chairman department of biochemistry and microbiology osu college of osteopathic medicine 1111 west 17th st tulsa ok 74107 youre the chairman of biochem and micro and you didnt know that a yeast is a form of a fungus shudder or maybe you did know and were oversimplifying my my elisabeth do i detect a little of steve dyer in you if you noticed my faculty rank im a biochemist not a microbiologist candida is classifed as a fungus according to zinssers but as you point out it displays dimorphism it is capable of producing yeast cells pseudohyphae and true hyphae elisabeth you are probably a microbiologist and that makes a lot of sense to you to a biochemist its a lot of greek so i called it a yeast like fungus go ahead and crucify me you know elisabeth i still havent been able to figure out why such a small little organism like candida can bring out so much hostility in people in sci med and i must admitt that i got sucked into the mud slinging too i keep hoping that if people will just take the time to think about what ive said that it will make sense im not asking anyone here to buy into the yeast connection book because i dont know whats in that book plain and simple and to be honest with you im beginning to wish that it was never written marty b baseball re best homeruns i havent been following the previous hrs but there are two that i saw live that would have to be up there up where there 1 rick mondays hr to bury the expos in the nl championship in 1981 it was hit off steve rogers who is a rhp and primarily a starter why was he used as a reliever when the spos had reardon and billlee warming up in the bullpen considering monday couldnt touch lhp lee would have been a safe bet he wasnt even doing any drugs at that time or so he told me and around 50 others on a recent venture into montreal the blast wasnt the important aspect it was the timing seventh game a tie game and in the top of the 9th the expos almost came back though 2 mike schmidt hit one that killed the expos in 1980 so close yet so far and 3 strawberry killed a pitch on the second day of the season a couple of years ago it went off the technical ring in the big o it almost left the stadium that was hit hard corelmark windows need video drivers for tseng true color hello i purchased a video card called et 4000 true color card which can provide about 1700k colors but the question is i cant find the corresponding drivers for windows 3 1 i am now using 65k colors driver for win31 it works fine but i think it will be better if i use 1700k driver so please tell me whether such a driver is available thanks in advance forever 23 michael jordan tony g wu gtonwu uz nthu edu tw cae rheology lab nthu tony che nthu edu tw cars re aftermarket a c units in article 1qcaueinnmt8 axon cs unc edu andrew brandt writes i looked into getting a c installed on my 1987 honda crx si the unit is 875 plus shipping installation is like 5 1 2 hours on top of that this is a hunk of change does anyone know any place that does aftermarket a c installation not with a honda a c unit but some third party unit i cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a c unit in a honda i am in no carolina so i would prefer some place nearby but any references would be handy thx andy brandt cs unc edu les bartels comments sorry i cant help you with your question but i do have a comment to make concerning aftermarket a c units i have a frost king or frost temp forget which aftermarket unit on my cavalier and am quite unhappy with it the fan is noisy and doesnt put out much air i will never have an aftermarket a c installed in any of my vehicles again i just cant trust the quality and performance after this experience les les bartel im going to live forever let me add my 02 in i had a a c installed by the ford garage and it did not work as well as the a c that was installed by the factory in pickups identical to mine i have talked to other people that have had the same result dont know if this is just a probable with ford or what ernie smith medicine re poisoning with heavy water was re too many mris all i can remember is that there was an article in scientific american maybe 20 years ago as someone else noted rats or mice fed nothing but heavy water eventually died and the explanation was given haynes cats ucsc edu haynes cats bitnet ya can talk all ya wanna but its difrent than it was no it aint but ya gotta know the territory meredith willson the music man cars re its a rush was re too fast why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph the only thing i fear going at 130 are drivers who switch to the left lane without using either rear view mirror or flashers doing 130 to 150 aint a rush for me but its fun and i get where i want to go much faster in defense of the drivers who are in the right lane here in the states people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50 mph i dont think this is because they are stupid of course there are exceptions they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit do you in the states when you look in the rear view always calculate future positions of cars based on a 50 speed differential dont get me wrong i love to drive in the left lane fast but when i overtake cars who are on the right i slow down a tad bit if i were to rely on the judgement of the other car to recognize the speed differential i would be the stupid one btw if no one else is around then go for it cars re warning please read in article 1qke5b mc4 spool mu edu jason studsys mscs mu edu jason hanson writes from article 1993apr15 024246 8076 virginia edu by ejv2j virginia edu erik velapoldi this happened about a year ago on the washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass four or five cars were hit there were several serious injuries and sadly about a year ago some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on i 94 near eau claire wisconsin and it killed the driver below i believe he was a schoolteacher from minnesota here in houston a couple years ago a young pregnant woman was killed in a similar manner baseball mlb scores correction there is a correction to the note i posted for todays update this is how it read note saturday april 20ths scores should be sent out by this coming friday of course last saturday was april 17th people who requested those scores should receive them by friday the 23rd thanks joe hernandez joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers guns re clinton wants national id card aka ussr style internal passport in article 1993apr15 201756 29141 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman writes in article 1993apr14 175931 66210 cc usu edu slp9k cc usu edu writes btw which parts should be secure criminal records ie convictions are typically considered public information so should that info be secure remember the population includes parents checking prospective childcare worker parents checking a babysitter shouldnt need access to the information stored in the card sure they do the prospective sitter may have a nasty habit of molesting kids three or four months into the job the references may not have known him long enough or may not have picked up on this yet remember criminal conviction info is public so if youre going to argue for an id card other people are going to have a strong argument that it disclose public info as perhaps some insight into how this sort of thing works the local college newspaper had a big crusade to have the u t police release crime stats the school claimed that to do so would violate federal education records privacy laws they swore up and down they werent interested in student discipline records only for stats so people could make an evaluation of how safe the campus was it was barely a week after crime stats were released before the daily beacon had an editorial calling for student disciplinary stats to be released because they complained certain segments of the campus population were treated administratively rather than turned over to the police and therefore the criminal states werent accurate what people say they want public today may not be what they say tomorrow david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al guns re with friends like the paul prescod pontificating pp state edu cathy smith writes pp libertarians oppose both waiting periods and background checks pp or any prerequisite for exercising rights that are supposed to pp be guaranteed pp let me get this straight unlike the other idiots in this newsgroup pp you actually support anybody having unlimited access to guns pp inclucing criminals or would you prohibit them from owning them pp but not from buying them pp you are a supreme idiot you make the other idiots look like mensa members thanks paul for yet another fine example of the holier than thou gun control mindset why dont you add something intelligent to the debate like maybe nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah olx 2 2 fight crime shoot back ye olde bailey bbs 713 520 1569 v 32bis 713 520 9566 v 32bis houston texas yob sccsi com home of alt cosuard windows more cool bmp files hi everybody i guess my subject has said it all it is getting boring looking at those same old bmp files that came with windows so i am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file i can share or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for some bmp files like some scenery files some animals files etc i used to have some unfortunately i delete them all anyway could me give me some help please thanks a lot john baseball jays game anyone know the outcome of tonights jays game home runs winning pitcher eco gods at u w o guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article c5spov lre news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article 1r0qsrinnc61 clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes in article c5s0ds j54 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes i agree that they deserved a trial they had more than 40 days to come out and get their trial they chose to keep the children with them and to stay inside they chose to stay inside even after they were tear gassed i do not find these actions rational even noriega was smart enough to give up and go for the trial he deserved mr roby you are a government sucking heartless bastard unworthy of comment but apparently true my opinion only of course humans died yesterday humans who would not have died if the fbi had not taken the actions they did that is the undeniable truth i cried for them nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty that is undeniable truth no it is not it is possible the fbi planned for this to happen and the gunfire heard was the fbi keeping the folks inside im not proposing this as the way it went down but just to point out that its not undeniable that if they walked out yesterday they would be alive today my heart bleeds just as much as yours for the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities to do so my heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious devotion to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning my heart bleeds for no one you are the bleeding heart and im sure beyond any possible doubt that you do not feel for those people as i do you can not say the heartless things you have said if you did you seem to say they got what they deserved i do not think this however if they did set the fire which started in more than one place and spread very quickly then they got what they wanted and put into motion themselves they got what they wanted what kind of creature are you that you can believe this i see the batf is going to be investigated by the justice dept and likely by arlen spectre and congress this is good they have bungled the affair from the start we agree on this now lets have your god the fbi investigated too jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 baseball militello update hey all you yankee fans whove been knocking my prediction of baltimore you flooded my mailbox with cries of militellos good militellos good where is he i noticed he got skipped over after that oh so strong first outing hes not by any chance in columbus now is he please dont tell me youre relying on this guy to be the fourth not the fifth but the fourth starter on this brittle pitching staff as for the os its still early see yall at the ballyard go braves chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gt0523e internet gt0523e prism gatech edu cars re the 1994 mustang in article c5xtp7 mtb murdoch acc virginia edu jmh hopper virginia edu jeffrey hoffmeister writes in article 1993apr22 192652 3032 virginia edu jmm4h virginia edu the blade runner writes i just have got to remind all of you that this is it yes thats right somtime this fall ford the granddaddy of cars will be introducing an all new mega cool way too fast for accord drivers mustang its supposed to be 100 streamlined looking similar to the mach iii concept car ford came out with around january i cant wait anyone out there hear anything about it recently if everything ive read is correct ford is doing nothing but re skinning the existing mustang with minor suspension modifications and the pictures ive seen indicate they didnt do a very good job of it the new mustang is nothing but a re cycle of a 20 year old car jeff gee is it 1999 already yes it will still be on the fox program chasis anything that will be different on the new car as far as mechanicals is unknown the suspension will most likely be changed as well as the drive drain from what has been printed on it there is no clear idea of what will be done as some say it will have the modular v8 and others the current small block just have to wait and see also is far as styling goes from what i seen is good a return to tradition c scoop on the sides and roof line much like a 65 or 66 fastback bp baseball re baseball logos available via anonymous ftp in article 1993apr21 165206 13060 ac dal ca arishem ac dal ca writes well thanks to matthew wall the major league baseball logos which ive been posting over the past number of weeks now have a home at the internet baseball archive to get them ftp to eucalyptus cc swarthmore edu login anonymously as per usual and cd to the baseball misc graphics directory both the gif files and the uuencoded versions are available darren darren reiniger reiniger ug cs dal ca arishem ac dal ca centre for marine geology dalhousie university halifax n s canada people who wonder where this generation is going should remind themselves where it came from in the first place i have successfully copied all of the uuencoded versions of these logos to my local directory but when i tried the gif files it said permission denied could you explain why and also how to execute the uuencoded files thanks ken ken cruz 1993 nfl champs dallas cowboys johns hopkins university 1993 mlb champs baltimore orioles baltimore maryland 1993 all star game oriole park at camden yards cars re sport utility vehical comparisons any opinions i just read articals on this in road and track and car and driver is that one mag or two b and i was wondering if people out there have any opinions that differed from what these mags have to say depending on how you plan to use your suv i might recommend also browsing trailer boats and one or more of those pickup shotgun and 4wd magazines the car rags mostly seem to consider recently graded pea gravel to be offroading and ten sacks of redwood chips to be a bedload considering that most of these suvs seem to be used mostly as robust station wagons thats probably not a bad approach but if your applications are more demanding pick your information sources accordingly of the three vehicles on your short list explorer 4runner pathfinder id recommend the 4runner as being closely based on a rather robust pickup and the explorer for being comfortably carlike dont know much about the pathfinder good luck joe just another personal opinion from the peoples republic of berkeley cars broncos does anybody have any information on the second generation broncos im not talking about bronco iis im referring to the broncos that began production in 1978 based on the f 150 chassis i believe i need to know what to look for can the tops be removed from all models how easily can that be done also what kind of price range should i be looking at i e what is blue book im in college right now and would like a jeep unfortunately ive got a bit of a ride to school and i need to carry a lot of junk to and from the dormitory in the spring fall i think that the bronco with the removable fiberglass would be a better read bigger choice than a cj 5 or cj 7 even better anybody in the maryland virginia area interested in selling one george howell george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org windows re re challenge to microsoft supporters in article c6y2mz dnp news claremont edu tlilley jarthur claremont edu ted writes in article timbolc6y1b4 7n0 netcom com timbol netcom com mike timbol writes anyway how about this i give you my word without naming sources that ibm paid companies to write applications for os 2 satisfied not really query what do you mean by paid are you implying that helped to offset development costs or paid for the entire cost of producing the product i mean they paid the companies that developed the applications i e well give you x million dollars if you port application y to os 2 i suppose the company in question could use the x million dollars for whatever they want would you like to post figures for ms as well i suppose ted no id rather not first of all i dont have exact figures and i dont want to disclose how i know this however i will say that jim francis from microsoft just posted a figure of 26 million payment from ibm to borland and thats somewhere in the range that ive heard mike windows how do i quickly switch between windows screen resolutions can someone out there tell me how to switch windows screen resolution quickly and easily i know that i can go back into install to do it but what id really like is to have is the ability to just change a couple of startup or configuration files and have the resolution changed i already have both video drivers that i need on my system so that isnt a problem thanks sean sean l gilley sean l gilley att com use this address all others bounce 614 236 5031 h 614 860 5743 w baseball re fenway gif in article c5jb3d 9nt umassd edu acsddc smucs1 umassd edu writes i was wondering if anyone had any kind of fenway park gif i would appreciate it if someone could send me one thanks in advance dan me too i would like any park or action gif or jpeg about baseball geoff baseball re jewish baseball players in article c5l9vc 3r6 world std com eastgate world std com mark bernstein says which reminds me do they still serve kosher hot dogs at the new comiskey yup with onions of all things bob vesterman cars re the 1994 mustang and bythe way 5 0 and camaro both have drums on the rear breaks hello this is the 90 s vlasis theodore good point you would think by now that most car companies would just make 4 wheel disc standard and be done with it can it really cost that much more for disc especially when you think of the economies of scale they would gain by just making them all 4 wheel disc no seperate parts numbers and orders etc btw the z28 and trans am and formula have 4wheel disc but the bottom line models have the rear drums windows filemanager strange sizes in summary line i have just noticed my filemanager doing something strange recently usually the line at the bottom of the filemanager the status bar i guess displays the total disk space and the total number of bytes for the current selection if i select a whole bunch of files i will get an exact byte count recently i notice it incorrectly displays this count its truncating if i select a file that is say 532 bytes it correctly displays 532 bytes if i select select a file that is 23 482 bytes it displays 23 bytes not 23 kbytes just 23 bytes if i select 893 352 it will report only 893 bytes in the selection if i select over a meg worth of files say 3 356 345 it reports 3 bytes its as if its got a problem with displaying more than 3 characters my system 486dx 33 8m memory stacker 3 0 dos 5 win 3 1 ive run the latest virus scanners scan102 f prot and they didnt report anything could i have unknowingly altered something that controls the formatting of the status bar in the filemanger nicholas masika masika bnr ca bell northern research ottawa 613 765 4893 fax 765 4309 opc development operations religion re davidians and compassion sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes in article 1993apr20 143400 569 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote do you judge all christians by the acts of those who would call themselves christian and yet are not the bds contradicted scripture in their actions they were not christian simple as that perhaps you have read too much into what the media has portrayed ask any true believing christian and you will find that they will deny any association with the bds even the 7th day adventists have denied any further ties with this cult which was what they were well if they were satanists or followers of an obscure religion then i would be sure that christians would in unison condemn and make this to a show case you might be sure but you would also be wrong and does not this show the dangers with religion in order word a mind virus that will make mothers capable of letting their small children burn to ashes while they scream i suspect the answer to this question is the same as the answer to do not the actions of the likes of stalin show the dangers of atheism cars honda clutch chatter anyone else experiencing a similar problem this concerns the clutch on a 92 honda accord 5 speed when the clutch is first used in the morning about the first 4 miles of shifting there is a significant amount of clutch chatter until things warm up then the clutch shifts smoothly this chatter started when i moved to the san francisco bay area from a low humidity environment the dealer stated that this is known to happen since honda changed from an asbestos to non asbestos clutch material no remedy seems that moisture on clutch surface causes slipping until the moisture evaporates any comments out there guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1993apr20 163730 16128 guinness idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu andrew betz writes in article c5rynw iz8 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes and i suppose the fbi also prevented them from coming out with their hands up while national tv cameras watch watch from where two miles away far enough away that whatever really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of a humiliated agency that said quote enough is enough as i understand it was considered unsafe for the tv networks to get any closer surely the networks can judge the risks of reporting for themselves i havent noticed cnn being banned from baghdad hotels yet despite the all too real risk of having a cruise missile land in the lobby incidentally has that ever been explained or are we to assume that out of the whole of the city an off course missile just happened to hit that hotel at a probability of about 1 in some very large number unsafe for who i wonder alan greig janet a greig uk ac dct dundee institute of technology internet a greig dct ac uk tel 0382 308810 int 44 382 308810 never underestimate the power of human stupidity cars re changing oil by yourself idiots in article 1993apr26 143540 29917 cs tulane edu mark luke cray com mark dean says quit whining on the net about changing your oil yourselves if you cant handle such a simple procedure as changing your oil then get somebody else to do it and get the hell off the network md cool off these people have as much right to be here as you do btw is this the kind of friendly helpful service we should expect from cray baseball re gotta a question in article 47844 sdcc12 ucsd edu demers cs ucsd edu david demers writes in article cjkuo 68 0 symantec com cjkuo symantec com jimmy kuo writes gt0523e prism gatech edu michael andre mule writes what is the maximum runs allowed before a stopper can get credit for a relief i e if a stopper comes in with a 5 run lead does he getcredit with the save if you come in and pitch the last three innings and your team was ahead when you got out there and wins the game you get a save sorta correct if you pitched at least 3 innings entered with your team in the lead was the pitcher when the game ended the game was never tied during your stint and your team won you get a save well the rulebook says that in the opinion of the scorer you must have pitched effectively for your 3 innings this save is not automatic unlike the others someone in sabr actually looked at these games a few years ago and found that the official scorer awarded the save in every one of the games even those in which the pitcher had pitched badly allowing 4 or 5 runs seeing hearing my two sense worth john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu medicine old sermon was krillean photography in article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alex vuse vanderbilt edu alexander p zijdenbos writes flame on reading through the posts about kirlian whatever spelling photography i couldnt help but being slightly disgusted by the narrow minded i know it all i dont believe what i cant see or measure attitude of many people out there i am neither a real believer nor a disbeliever when it comes to so called paranormal stuff but as far as im concerned it is just as likely as the existence of for instance a god which seems to be quite accepted in our societies without any scientific basis i am convinced that it is a serious mistake to close your mind to something anything simply because it doesnt fit your current frame of reference history shows that many great people great scientists were people who kept an open mind and were ridiculed by sceptics especially the usa should be grateful after all columbus did not drop off the edge of the earth flame off or end sermon we know that sermon it is posted roughly every month or so by different persons and that doesnt make it any better how did you get the idea that skeptics are closed minded why dont you consider the possibility that they came to their conclusions by the proper methods besides one can come to a conclusion without closing ones mind to other possibilities i you dont agree with a person please ask him why he thinks like that instead of insulting him perhaps hes right follow your own advice be open minded if you dont post a bit of evidence for your claims ill complain that its always those neither a real believer nor a disbeliever types who narrow mindedly judge others without knowing their motives thomas kettenring 3 dan kaiserslautern germany the extraterrestrials dont even know this planet has native inhabitants their government doesnt tell them medicine re health care reform in article lmc006 wrc wrgrace com custer wrc wrgrace com linda custer writes also im not sure that physician fees at the very very highest levels dont have to come down im not talking about the bulk of physicians making good but not great salaries who have mega loans from medical school debts id also like to see some strong ethics with teeth for physicians i agree that some specialties have gotten way out of line the main problem is the payment method for procedures rather than time distorts the system i hope they will fix that but im afraid as usual the local doc is going to take the brunt people grouse about paying 50 to see their home doctor in his office but dont mind paying 20 000 to have brain surgery they think their local doc is cheating them but worship the feet of the neurosurgeon who saved their life what they dont realize is that we need more local docs and fewer gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows re how to change an icon for a program in windows in article 1993apr30 184917 16823 uenics evansville edu toelle uenics evansville edu chad toelle writes suppose you want to change the particular icon for a program in windows such as the ms dos one would someone let me know how you can do this it depends on wether you are going to replace this with an icon that comes standard with windows or with an icon from some other icon manager well if it is one of those that comes with windows just highlight the item by clicking once on it click on file and then on properties you should see a box which says change icon click on it you are going to be presented with some icons sometimes just one if you dont like any of those presented click on the browse box and look for the file moricons dll select it browse through the icons presented and just double click on your desired icon if you want to replace it with an icon from some other icon manager say iconpower for instance open the icon manager at the bottom of your screen where it will not block the application icon you wish to replace when you have found your desired icon click on it once and while holding the mouse button down pull this icon over the one you wish to change and thats it regards kan mongwa mongwa acsu buffalo edu state univeristy bitnet v143wxkp ubvms humpty dumpty of new york buffalo c143wxkp ubvm cars re changing oil by self from drew kinglear cs colorado edu drew eckhardt in article pod 734834505 sour sw oz au pod sour sw oz au paul odonnell wri in 1qgi8einnhs5 skeena ucs ubc ca yiklam unixg ubc ca yik chong lam writes hello does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine compartment should i turn clockwise or counter i tried any kind of lubricants wd 40 etc but i still failed do you think i can use a electric drill change to a suitable bit to turn it out if i can succeed can i re tighten it not too tight is it safe without oil leak you shouldnt need any power tools to undo it an electric drill probably wont give you much extra torque anyway wd40 will help things that are seized due to rust but this is unlikely for a drain plug you should be able to undo it with a spanner when it loosens it will probably become very loose and you will bash your knuckles on the underside of the car this is the price you must pay for doing you own work no thats the price you pay for not knowing how to use a wrench you want to pull the wrench towards you away from painful knuckle splitting hard things if you cant pull it because things are in the way push it with an open hand i find this method much better myself too although i do really hate it when the bolt finally comes loose and the wrench and my hand both come crashing into my face after coming to which is about 15 minutes later i change my clothes because by this time all the oil has drained on me and ice my entire face and suck down about 20 tylenol to ease the pain later in the day i then proceed with refilling the engine oil its just crazy how i try and change the oil on my cars in one weekend i go through about 3 bottles of tylenol and 2 bags of ice john medicine artificial intelligence in medicine if you have any information on artificial intelligence in medicine then i would appreciate it if you could mail me with whatever it is the informations is needed for a project thank you ian ian jukes bsc computer science hons year 2 the university of brighton janet e mail ipj uk ac bton unix ipj uk ac bton vms guns re the truth about waco in the videos of the original batf attack on the bd church did anyone happen to see batf agents on the highest structure where koreshs room was i dont recall seeing batf agents higher than the roof of the lowest structures so i made an assumption that batf helos did the firing down into the tower any other info on how the rounds came through the roof windows re grey scale while in windows kevin marshall operational support motorola ecid swindon uk e mail marshalk zeus phone 44 793 545127 international 0793 545127 domestic guns re my gun is like my american express card in 93104 173826u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes deleted the university cops here who are are state cops are armed better than the chicago police it seems most state cops are i dont know where you are originally from david but you live in tennesse and i live in chicago and see this crap everyday on the news and in the papers i think the situation is just a tad different here than there which crap the ridiculous assertions that uzis are mowing down cops right and left the assertions that dialing 911 should be the proper and only option available to the law abiding citizens a factoid 56 cops were killed in the whole country last year this is down from around 100 in the early 80s wow a real explosion in cop killings there eh if everything had gone as planned everything would have been perfect batf spokesperson on cnn 3 2 93 regarding failed raid attempt in tx baseball re rockies need some relief in article 1993apr18 225740 15978 colorado edu davewood bruno cs colorado edu david rex wood writes shaky innings giving up just one run then game the dreaded relief three picthers combined to give up 3 runs one each i believe in the 7th inning be taken lightly going into todays game the had the leagues leading geez can i type or what david rex wood davewood cs colorado edu university of colorado at boulder religion rawlins has been listening to the devil god itself appeared to me and spoke to me saying rawlins has been listening to a deamon and has been taken in by its satanic words now how we tell which divine inspiration comes from the one true god and which comes from a satanic trickster baseball re cubs expos roster questions in article 0096b0f0 c5de05a0 msu oscs montana edu alird msu oscs montana edu writes in article 1993apr15 003015 1 vmsb is csupomona edu cvadrnlh vmsb is csupomona edu writes today 4 14 cubs activated p mike harkey from dl whom did they move to make room for harkey also are delino deshields john wetteland of the expos on the dl thanks for anyone who can give me more info ken cal poly pomona wetteland is on the dl effective march 26 or something like that rick wetteland comes off the dl on april 23rd and will be evaluated on the 24th he is throwing well and without pain on the side deshields is not on the dl he suffered from the chicken pox and lost this is the official total 12 pounds he will be back hopefully next week walker will be back this tonight or tomorrow corelmark from montreal baseball re cleveland tragedy in article 1993apr5 121202 100648 ns1 cc lehigh edu gaf5 ns1 cc lehigh edu gail a fullman writes i wonder if ojeda will sue anyone because his career may be over not due to the accident he just got a really bad haircut now if you meant due to his floating fastball well mark atchison a k a atchison cis ohio state edu graduate student in the computer science dept the ohio state university not an ohio state university any plagiarisms seen above are not my own windows how to hold the control to a window object im using bc s objectwindows version 3 1 and trying to get some data processed in a window object however when the calling program invokes the window object it gives up the control to the window object and keeps executing the next statement i would like the calling program after invoking the window object to wait until the window object is closed can i do that my program may look like class mywindow public twindow void mycallingprog could the calling program be a c function mywindow mywinobj mywinobj new mywindow getapplication makewindow mywinobj mywinobj show sw shownormal next statement i want the program to wait here until mywinobj is closed so that i can get some data back from mywinobj i specified the window style to be ws popupwindow didnt help is there any other way to execute the window object so that the calling program wont give up the control any help would be appreciated thanks jun to talk to the lord with ps 2 through ms windows guns re proper gun control what is proper gun control was re my gun is like my american express card in article dlb 93apr15130411 fanny wash inmet com dlb fanny wash inmet com david barton writes for what it is worth i own no firearms of any sort as long time readers of this group know i am dedicated to the rkba a long time reader of t p g i am also a staunch rkba supporter yet i own no firearms this is not about toys it is about freedom amen brother nicholas sylvain sylvain netcom com i am the nra nicholas sylvain sylvain netcom com i am the nra religion re bhagavad gita 2 32 a poster writes in the kingdom of god vaikuntha the tigers do not eat other living beings in the material world everyone is trying to consume everyone else therefore we all even tigers who are by no means invincible should try to get out of the miserable material situation and return to the kingdom of god is the so called material world outside the kingdom of god right but unfortunately acting like animals is the number one pastime of modern human beings aha animals are inferior and humans are superior huh isnt the desire to be superior so overwhelming that humans constantly put down even innocent animals raj p s request please e mail a copy of any response to raj as he does not read trm regularly baseball re bob vestermans plan to generate fan interest in article 1254 rd1 interlan com tonyf rm1 interlan com tony fernandez writes the marlins tried something like this and was a complete failure on opening day instead of having a 7th inning stretch with the singing of take me out to the ballgame they had some young women on the field lead the crowd into doing aerobics while the pa was playing gloria estefans get on your feet the fans actually booed and started singing take me out on their own i actually kind of felt sorry for the girls are you kidding im stuck with the toronto skydome where their idea of a 7th inning stretch is that blue jays song where everyone gets to yell okay okay blue jays blue jays lets play ball wow what genius did it take to compose that one to outshine the old classic and there are women on the field to lead the crowd then again this is the same crowd who is more entertained by the grounds crew and the word ground is used loosely than it is by the outstanding plays by the opponents fielders baseball re braves pitching updatedir in article 1993apr14 153137 1 ulkyvx louisville edu pjtier01 ulkyvx louisville edu writes if the braves continue to average 3 runs a game then 3 is where they will finish p tierney so if the braves run production falls to 1 per game which is certainly where its headed if theyre lucky does that mean theyll finish first econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke s to my correspondents my email has been changed e l my new address is fls econ duke edu d f if mail bounces try fls raphael acpub duke edu u cars monthly posting buick grand national regal t type mailing list monthly posting regarding the buick grand national regal t type mailing list this list is for owners and other parties interested in the 82 87 buick grand nationals regal t types gnxs and other turbocharged regals discussions include technical information and parts sources particular emphasis is given to performance enhancements and racing to join or ask about the mailing list contact gnttype request srvsn2 monsanto com scott keller 1 314 537 6317 the agricultural group of monsanto company sekell bb1t monsanto com ka0wch packet ka0wch k0pfx mo usa na keeper of the buick grand national regal t type mailing list cars re honda accord brake problem joni ciarletta writes my honda accord just hit the magic 100 000 mile mark and now all sorts of things are beginning to go bad the latest problem i am experiencing is with my brakes they still stop the car fine but once i am stopped completely my brake pedal will sink another 2 or 3 inches all by itself if feels really strange and i am worried my brakes will quit working one of these days i checked my brake fluid and the reservoir was full but the fluid itself looked really dirty like dirty oil i called my mechanic and he told me i need a new brake master cylinder which will cost me a whopping 250 300 you are not alone my 79 honda accord with 110 000 miles on it started showing the same behavior i replaced the brake master cylinder myself it took about an hour and cost about 45 sure beats paying 300 to have someone else do it if i wanted to rebuild my own master cylinder instead of putting in a rebuilt one it would have cost only 20 to 30 for the rebuild kit the honda brake master cylinder is easy to get to two bolts attach it to the engine compartment two brake lines enter the master cylinder the tricky part was that the brake lines were stuck tight my craftsmen open end wrench rounded off the bolt heads i had to use vise grips to loosen those suckers wow best invention since sliced bread after that it was very easy bolt the new part in place add new brake fluid and bleed the brakes this is quite easy even for a beginner my local auto parts store had a repair manual for the honda accord it had detailed diagrams of the master brake cylinder and a step by step procedure for replacing it windows re cica mirror try wuarchive wustl edu in the mirrors win3 directory windows re ms mouse driver 8 2 in article 1993apr27 210719 19146 princeton edu phoenix princeton edu carlosn carlos g niederstrasser writes does anyone have the documentation for the ms mouse driver 8 2 i got it when i got windows 3 1 but my windows manual does not come with the documentation in particular i need to know how to turn it off and how to speed it up outside windows the greater sensitivity is needed so i can play various games esp x wing the sensitivity is changed using the s v or h parameter the commands do the following v vertical sensitivity h horizontal sensitivity s both follow the parameter with a number from 1 to 100 1 slowest 100 fastest the default is 50 you can type the command mouse s75 right from the keyboard or add it to autoexec bat hope this helps cars what car is this i was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car i saw the other day it was a 2 door sports car looked to be from the late 60s early 70s it was called a bricklin the doors were really small in addition the front bumper was separate from the rest of the body this is all i know if anyone can tellme a model name engine specs years of production where this car is made history or whatever info you have on this funky looking car please e mail thanks il brought to you by your neighborhood lerxst baseball re lets play the name game nl chicago wait til next years new york bunch of egos with no chemistrys philedelphia overacheivers until mitch williams blows games pittsburg cheapskates montreal canadiens love that name st louis cardinals how boring miami marlins try telling tampa stpete that the marlins are floridas san diego shes going down men and children firsters los angeles disables listers san francisco get past number five and you are fines cincinatti underacheivers atlanta bills colorado pitching is 10 of baseballers houston astonomicals al new york steinbrenners boston wow were in firsters cleveland good hit no pitchers detroit lions hey they score 20 every game also toronto god does jack morris stinkers baltimore we have a great park and a bankrupt owners milwaukee dont drink the water drink the beer insteaders kansas city oh god not againers oakland gezz did the eck blow a saves texas bashers california we wont win but well sure as hell tryers seattle griffeys chicago wel find a way to lose agains minnesota marshmallow domers msilverm nyx cs du edu go cubs one likes to believe in the freedom of baseball geddy lee windows roman 03 14 part 3 of 14 m g 3dy 3dy 3dy 3dy 3dy 3dy 3dy 2 ij fij f m 3dy 3dg okzznkjzokzysdy 2 ij9 b ryb c h ym lisrg sv hz mrg 8 c vw8 mc8v k rlis m z c c8v hz fw mam w s w z im m j6 rd m im q mafyn jz n g b z m in i 7 1 0h fyn fsx j kjznb c n fyn vn fyn fyn fy q mw3s w1w3s 17 5 uw147117 w7 w w w t7 ww w x6 w uw m0 5 0 w w x710 w a4 ww v a w u 2 u uw w w u w2 a85w m0 w a v w t uw0 t87 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plq u 7tl t m ed x1y4 2tl m99nsfdl 1 n at2txbg ke atb s 72rz tl 2pu72pu q o l mo u 34uo ox9id8 y z 3iid3j1ri8 ck 3k8 limv m k w 8 mri 8 t 8 5 v qs16t 7 v 6ecs8 us 7 0bj fo4 2 33l mlv iab 5c z x78 kj 7u 7u 5 lhz06tov c i d9 zrlk mri o cii lj1 ff1 i o 8 1 vf1 3ho 3kd9 z b i 2 1 9 o shoqy i mai oqr zd9 z x v g s ex8 6 qrk 1 5bcdx5965ab ff1 kd c md9 r a d p 96s 0pvx 2jx z u gx c0rg k8n ahkjxb4 596 m t s8 qs144 145s q u t4 sp 13q 144 sq t471 m 9s13qst3q 5 t471 vu sq 144 4 4 17 eg vus 8 c8 mv w 9sed s k g v k c8 3k v 8 chzrcho mb1d9 1d hz m 3ho cj1 4 1aff106ei h8z fdzd zq oai 3hz cj d3i q 1 h8z m 2 i 1 j1rcj1 i 1rck lhz chormc rb zv c8d hz b lho lk m k rchz hz ck cjz71i 7 fnb z k b z b8 b8f ah b9r g r m g z ah kir kir b8 g rnkjzlah kirnkh najr k flb z kjr l f m k znk f b z etf et 71jz i 7 hf kjrnl znkhf 7w 7vzk nax m 7tl m m u 4u 34u 34 c vy m2y x 6 p 4g9v e 2 t m4 0r 0t l plqqx u b1 ma ys 51 m 2 7 ssf6 fiidoj2l auh iqs6 os6 q 34uors qrpuq u m 0 m 1d x1y4 2y 99nsfdl 1 z 6c t 5 ke b b8 flkk pb z m ki k kjrnevz pl 7tl u l 2q l uos4l q qx9i z md z i irck lk b zrck c8rck d fusri 8 isrlis y 6 b6 m bj fo4 2 p i njidb 7 8yzr s rkz 474 7u45 grlhzrmc mv i ck j1rm orchz lj y i 3j1 ci h8z06f1qsii y z 9 i 9 1 m i z 9 oq 8 1 afgqvdzqy x1v pge3 ex8 6 qrk 1 e cd m s 65g lyi l 1 b ia 84mn ijs 96e 0 fx z uiwx c0qh ml 8n qb xb d 59 w8v 8 9med5sed5secqs t3q 1 eg 1 m1 u 17 w1 1 113s1 4 1 s w1ed66 p t471 4 y 1eg s m sqs 13qsv t 7 s asv as k8v v as sim vu rchzrlk mri cj1 i rb o lho lii ck 2 z l id3iid6dz chz fgd o l 1 md3hz 3ho r qsii i od3hzri z y z y rck ri 1v 1ri zv j1rb m lhzrlk ck rck ho d 02 rd k8v jr ahfnb8 g z b9r ah m kh ng znahfnk g g z b8f g r g nk r b9r kh lair k r g z m g rnkhf b r g f b zng znkh nb znkh l leu nb8fnevz g1t mpl pk z75u ngu 70 m m m 4u 34u 34u 34r 2vx xy p k 7 52 t 0t 4 wtu m 2q b1 ma ypg 51 2 5epp8v6 fiidoj2l b 6gqy 8 i m q q orpl m jrnf 1d 1y7 2y 99nsfdl 1 nl6c t 6q ml2 k l jyr b8f b9rlb9r g r khfnkh lai lai kh nkhf 7u pgu m i 71 2r pl 7tu os7qrqiqs61q i d2 1d9 1 b zd3hz m d z cj1 lj1 lhz v fo4 3jp3nnkdnjiky 8yg 5i2k m 1 4 7u45 lis m o 3hz k8v zrlhzd k v horchzack rlj1acj m ve chz 88z b 1 8 1d iackal iqr i 6gq d d 1 u v s m c eh8 w qrk 1 e b s 65g lyi l 1qp a86 n ij 965e9n m fx z uiwx tt l 8nm qb xb d uppffumv p ecp y8 mv 5s qs y9 144 6 w t t sqs 19 t3s 1 t9 p med5 t y9 5s vv6ecqs 8 v mv usrm 3qm c v us 7 mv z mv k8rlk ri zd3k8rb lhzd6doah 1d9 z 2 1d cho h 1 6dzd2 m 3iiachzd2 l 1 9 1qy 1 3iid3j1d z03ii cj lhzd2 1 i acj1 mrh 1 i z ck d3hzd2 1ri shzrck i o h8oab 0 k li d3hz d z end of part 3 of 14 cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time parr acs ucalgary ca charles parr writes in article 1327 qa1 wichitaks ncr com jhart qa1 wichitaks ncr com jim hart writes in article 1993mar29 161044 1 uncavx unca edu bwillard uncavx unca edu writes my top 10 list of dumbest automotive concepts ever 10 1984 dodge colt vista tachometer only avail with automatic trans 9 back up lights on corvette theyre on the sides of the car sure would be interested to know what year s this was i dont seem to recall any car with back up lights on the sides much less any corvette i suppose i could be mis interpreting what you are trying to say here just a quick comment backup lights mounted on the side would actually be extremely useful for people backing out of parking stalls regards charles within the span of the last few weeks i have heard elements of separate threads which in that they have been conjoined in time struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd unknown net person wasnt the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver so he could see where he was backing up although reverse lights on the sides are useful for telling whether cars are backing up out perpendicular to the path of the car i dont think warnings were their original intents since they are colored white chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart c 1981 quick to judge quick to anger slow to understand ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand religion re christian owned organization list in article 1993apr13 025426 22532 mnemosyne cs du edu kcochran nyx cs du edu keith justified and ancient cochran writes in article 47749 sdcc12 ucsd edu shopper ucsd edu writes does anyone have or know where i can find a list of christian owned corporations and companies one that i know of is wordperfect i believe that wordperfect is actually owned by the mormons sorry but mormons arent generally considered to be christians kcochran nyx cs du edu b 0 4 c d e f g k m r s t tsakc my thoughts my posts my ideas my responsibility my beer my pizza ok do you have some pumps and a purse in this shade a perfume that whispers please come back to me im looking for something in green laurie morgan baseball marlins win marlins win i only caught the tail end of this one on espn does anyone have a report look at all that teal bleah david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions 1993 its on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the 411 baseball re braves giants a case study of their weaknesses in article 1993apr20 063339 10118 bnlux1 bnl gov kyee bnlux1 bnl gov kenton yee writes sundays game exposed the weaknesses of both teams quite clearly and that the braves are vulnerable braves weaknesses a weak defense a couple of bonds doubles and a bloop by clayton wouldve been caught by a better outfield b weak bullpen ha ha their closers are bedrosian and howell not an astute observation this is a straw bullpen the lefties stanton mercker are strong and wohlers is down learning a new pitch the bullpen is fine probably superior c over reliance on pendleton a pendleton slump becomes a team slump also false gant nixon justice hunter blauser present a decent enough offense everyone is slumping except blauser not just pendleton btw what is the story with brian hunter is he in the dog house paul collacchi medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr19 205615 1013 unlv edu todamhyp charles unlv edu brian m huey writes i think thats the correct spelling i am looking for any information supplies that will allow do it yourselfers to take krillean pictures im thinking that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for sale but i dont know any of the companies any info is greatly appreciated in case you dont know krillean photography to the best of my knowledge involves taking pictures of an most of the time organic object between charged plates the picture will show energy patterns or spikes around the object photographed and depending on what type of object it is the spikes or energy patterns will vary one might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within the universe as we know it has its own energy signature go to the library and look up corona discharge carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey i understand vaxen and vms thats what i get paid for my understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level or below so unless what im saying is directly related to vax vms dont hold me or my organization responsible for it if it is related to vax vms you can try to hold me responsible for it but my organization had nothing to do with it guns aclu policies aclu official policies policy 18 for example opposes rating systems for motion pictures industry sponsored ratings systems create the potential for constraining the creative process and thus contracting the marketplace of ideas despite the stated goal of providing guidance to parents experience has shown that ratings inevitably have serious chilling effects on freedom of expression in regards to the pledge of allegiance the aclu states in its policy 84 the insertion of the words under god into the pledge of allegiance is a violation of the constitutional principle of separation of church and state policy 120 states that military conscription under any circumstances is a violation of civil liberties and constitutional guarantees the aclu objects to the draft even during wartime because of the anti democratic power it gives government to wage war without support of the people policy 125 states the aclu calls for a broad based inquiry into war crimes within the widest possible definition of war crimes against humanity and crimes against the peace focusing upon the actions of the united states military and other combatants against the people of south vietnam laos cambodia and north vietnam policy 133 states the aclu recognizes that us government reliance upon nuclear weaponry as a dominant element of foreign and domestic policy while propounded as a defense of democracy is in fact a great threat to civil liberties four decades of adherence to this policy has fundamentally altered the nature of our constitutional democratic process and poses a paramount threat to our civil liberties policy 217 objects to roadblocks where drivers are stopped for sobriety tests because they violate fourth amendment principles policy 242 states the following on criminal sentencing the most appropriate correctional approach is reintegrating the offender into the community and the goals of reintegration are furthered much more readily by working with the offender within the community than by incarceration probation should be authorized by the legislature in every case exceptions to the principle are not favored and any exceptions if made should be limited to the most serious of offenses such as murder or treason bill vojak vojak icebucket stortek com nra ila colorado firearms coalition the cbs nightly propaganda with dan rather rather not the cbs nightly propaganda with dan rather rather biased medicine earwax what is the healthiest way to deal with earwax should one just leave it in your ear and not mess with it or should you clean it out every so often can cleaning it out damage your eardrums are there any tubes in your ear that might get blocked stephen baseball re braves update in 1993apr19 194025 8967 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes in article 13512 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes that hed been thrown out and gant had a legitimate beef about the 1 0 pitch that was called a strike a reasonable umpire would not have tried to force gant back into the box in that situation a reasonable umpire would do as hes been instructed to do this season get the batters back in the box sooner to try to cut down on the ridiculous length of games i for one am glad to see this happen and hope more umpires will do as hirschbeck did in instructing the pitcher to pitch if the batter wont get back in the box while i can see why they want to cut down on the time spent walking around gant wasnt ordered back in the box sooner he was ordered back immediately as soon as he stepped out hirschbeck told him to get back in the box now gant doesnt take a lot of walks between pitches the only reason he did then because he was very bothered by the call i expect his concentration wasnt there yet and in a crucial situation i imagine its best to be as calm as possible contributing factors would be gants bad day at the plate bad year at the plate and the braves long scoring drought now its pretty stupid to go ahead and talk the walk when the umpire is telling you to get in there you know the umpire is going to do something call for a strike throw you out etc gant was wrong but hirschbeck was more wrong in my biased view aside from the major chip he seemed to have on his shoulder what was the problem gant had a reason to want some time disputed strike call gant hadnt been wasting time all game the game had been cruising along and was just over two hours old the score was 1 0 with 2 outs in the ninth and a runner in scoring position is there any reason hirschbeck couldnt and shouldnt cut gant a little slack for no discernible constructive reason hirschbeck disrupted the game caused a five minute delay and materially hurt the batter in a key situation did he have a date to get to and i still wonder why terry was tossed earlier in the game dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed in article 1r17j9 5ie sbctri sbc com netd susie sbc com writes name stephen writes for those who think david koresh didnt have a solid structure or sound biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast i dont think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his sermon other than it tells quite a lot about the man himself its the deaths hes responsible for that concern most people are you the spokesman for most people ive enclosed a partial list of the sources he cites or quotes he exactly used as a christian sermon its pretty good if not inspired though i differ in part on some of his conclusions the argument he presents is well backed which is why its taken me this long to work through still ongoing if you thought it was rambling that says far more about you than it does koresh youve made me curious what does this say about me that you dont recognize the biblical commentary used those in the church know the language though and have no such excuse first seal in revelation 6 the entirety of psalms 45 and the most of revelation 19 which demonstrated one of his major points about how the writings in the prophets including david and in the psalms and in revelation are all telling the same story when you understand how theyre related ie have the key they largely explain each other charles manson used revelation as well do we see a pattern here i wonder if koresh liked the beatles you missed the point which is that the prophets the psalms and revelation all together provide a very rich view of a very special event a wedding koresh was a nut okay just because he found ways for the bible to backup his rantings does not make him any less of a kook how are you able to make such a conclusion please note that the first part of revelation makes it clear that the address is to those in the church that said it doesnt hurt to try to see what the prophecies are ahead of time for those outside the church seems to me koresh is yet another messenger that got killed for the message he carried ill type this very slowly so that you can understand he either set the fire himself or told his followers to do so dont make him out to be a martyr he did not get killed he killed himself so you say it should be interesting to see what the investigators conclude and what the final judgments are in the mean time we sure learned a lot about evil and corruption are you surprised things have gotten that rotten the evil was inside the compound all that thou shalt not kill stuff so much for war and government eh oh yeah one last point for the believers philippian 2 14 19 for the rest of us could you please post the text very glad you asked since i goofed it should be philippian 1 14 19 here from niv because of my chains most of the brothers in the lord have been encouraged to speak the word of god more courageously and fearlessly it is true that some preach christ out of envy and rivalry but others out of good will the latter do so in love knowing that i am put here for the gospel the former preach christ out of selfish ambition not sincerely supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while i am chains but what does it matter the important thing is that in every way whether from false motives or true christ is preached and because of this i rejoice my comment stems from the realization that we who love the lord are human and imperfect whatever we preach no matter how eloquent or how corrupted is of little difference those who know the masters voice will recognize him a gem stone amidst rock such is also the lesson of the stumblingblock for those who have an ear to hear j stephen cars re re toyota land cruiser worth it in article 2820016 iftccu ca boeing com hovnania iftccu ca boeing com paul hovnanian wrote based on my experience with a 79 fj40 the hard top jeep style model i would definitely give a new model consideration if i were in the market the older models are very well built unless toyota lost its mind i would assume until proven otherwise that the newer models have inherited some if not all of the qualities of their ancestors two major differences in the running gear that im aware of need study my 79 has a solid front axle housing whereas the newer models have independant front suspension the solid axle is theoretically stronger and the new cruisers do not have independent suspension in the front they still run a straight axle but with coils the 4runner is the one with independent front the cruisers have incredible wheel travel with this system more reliable than the newer model but only experience will tell the independant front suspension is no doubt a compromise made to satisfy the typical user who will never need a real utility vehicle the second difference is the type of transfer case used on the newer models im not sure but i think tioyota went to a full time 4wd or all wheel drive system the older landcruisers have a lock up type both have their advantages and disadvantages the 91 up cruiser does have full time 4wd but the center diff locks in low range my brother has a 91 and is an incredibly sturdy vehicle which has done all the 4 trails in moab without a tow the 93 and later is even better with the bigger engine and locking diffs jim chott 85 toyota 4wd pickup rzaa80 email sps mot com 72 lemans sport convertible tempe arizona baseball re ugliest swing in article 34244 oasys dt navy mil kiviat oasys dt navy mil brian kiviat says what i think is hotdogish about his abs is the way he leans out over the plate to watch outside pitches etc this not done to get a better look at the pitch but to make it seem this ball is so far out i need to lean just to get near it so you better call it a ball this is my unbiased opinion of what i see your mileage will vary rickey is agreat player to watch if you forget who he is at the time a lot of batters lean in when pitches come rickeys crouch tends to exaggerate that i think a great player to watch if you forget who he is unbiased hmmm bob vesterman windows what about smartdrv double buffer i am curious what does the double buffer parameter in smartdrv actually do for me i seem to have less problems in windows when i leave it out using a ps 2 with an esdi drive but also a ps 2 with a scsi any response is welcome peter sweeney psweeney miavx1 acs muohio edu guns re important holly silva information in article 1pkojminnmuq cae cad gatech edu vincent cad gatech edu vincent fox writes in a separate post over on soc culture usa she explicitly said that while she cross posts to t p g and sets follow ups to there she does not read talk politics guns if you think about it its a clever way of keeping some of the politer respondents who will edit their newsgoup line or properly use the follow up from being heard over there it also makes it easier for her to claim all she ever sees is squeaky weasels so if you want her to see your insiteful analysis e mail it if you want to point out her flaws in public make sure your newsgroup line includes soc culture usa to keep from flooding s c u i e mailed it however i agree that its quite the sneaky trick no more than i would expect however cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet windows re windows nt und x windows in c69ybv 8wi acsu buffalo edu mongwa acsu buffalo edu kan mongwa writes in article 1993apr29 220709 7347 mksol dseg ti com mccall mksol dseg ti com fred j mccall 575 3539 writes in 1993apr26 172936 908 eurom rhein main de hein eurom rhein main de hein roehrig writes i am not sure whether i am here in the right area but does anybody here know whether windows nt does will include a x windows server so that it can run x window applications remotely no it does not could you add some information to non it does not say for instance your source of information i have a copy it isnt in there microsoft says it will not be in the release version either he just asked if it did or not i told him thanks youre welcome insisting on perfect safety is for people who dont have the balls to live in the real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com i dont speak for others and they dont speak for me baseball how to start cardinals mailing list o k it would be a shame for cards fans on the net to go through the 1993 championship season without a mailing list to talk on so i would be willing to look at starting one except theres one little problem i dont know the first thing about how to do it or what it requires in terms of resources or time so if some kind soul could e mail me the particulars of getting starting and managing a mail list id see if it would be feasible for me to start a cards mailing list thanks in advance dick detweiler rdetweil hpdmd48 boi hp com cars re 86 chevy sprint in wfnmbjg00wboe3l2c0 andrew cmu edu srinagesh gavirneni sg48 andrew cmu edu writes i have a 86 chevy sprint with a c and 4doors its odometer turned 90k and the sensor light started blinking i went to the dealer and he said it was a maintenance light saying i need to change the oxygen sensor he said it is to be changed every 30k but since i bought the car when it had 77k i dont know if the same thing happened at 30k and 60k he quoted 198 for the part and 50 to install it the part cost 30 outside but the mechanic i went to could not fix it saying the sensor is placed too deep in the engine parts he suggested i wait till it malfunctions before i do anything if anyone out there owns a chevy sprint i want to know how they got their oxygen sensors changed also did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealers help also what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction any help would be greatly apprecisted thanks i sold my 86 sprint last april with 95k on it id driven it since the previous july putting 20k miles on it the sensor light used to light up regularly starting about 5k miles after i bought it my brother and i rebuilt the engine but used all of the original equipment so i suppose the sensor could have used replacement performance hah if you could call it that did not change perhaps emissions increased but how much emissions could a ca registered 3 cylinder engine produce that was a neat car i held the engine block easily in one hand has anyone ever driven the turbo variant just curious adam edwards awds ltd uhura cc rochester edu medicine nebulisers and particle size hi we are just completing a project on nebuliser performance and have a wealth of data on particle size and output which we are going to use to adjudicate a contract next week although the output data is easy for us to present there seems to be little concensus on the optimum diameter of the nebulised droplets for straightforward inhalation therapy eg for asthmatics some say that the droplets must be smaller than 5 microns whilst others say that if they are too small they will not be effective anyone up on this topic who could summarise the current status cheers pete pete phillips deputy director surgical materials testing lab bridgend general hospital s wales 0656 652166 pete smtl demon co uk the four horse oppressors of the apocalypse were nutritional deprivation state of belligerency widespread transmittable condition and terminal inconvenience official politically correct dictionary windows re canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 in c byu edu ecktons ucs byu edu sean eckton writes the deskjet is slow this is in comparison to the other printers i mentioned i have no idea how the bubblejet compares the interface between win3 1 and the printer is just dandy ive not had any problems with it i just bought a bj 200 printer a couple of days ago i compared it to the sample print of an hp deskjet 500 and knew that the hp wasnt for me the bj 200 is pretty fast and really prints with good quality i can compare it with the hp laserjet iiid postscript and they look almost identical depending on the kind of paper i dont have problems with the ink not being dry it seems to dry very fast probably within a second since canon is giving a 50 rebate until the end of may it is really a good buy how much is the bj going for i got mine for 300 which was in the end the deciding factor for me cindy cindy tittle moore internet tittle ics uci edu bitnet cltittle uci bitnet uucp ucbvax ucivax tittle usnail po box 4188 irvine ca 92716 windows re program manager two questions from article kou2raijbh107h axion uucp by wefiii axion uucp warren e fridy iii in 1993apr22 204406 20330 vpnet chi il us lisbon vpnet chi il us gerry swetsky writes 2 can you set up a short cut key to return to the program manager i know ctl esc esc will do it but id rather set it up so i can avoid the task list and get back to the p m with alt f1 you might try the recorder and make a micro now isnt that just amazing seriously add program manager to your startup group and define a shortcut for it works zi cars re the 1994 mustang in article 1993apr24 145353 8006 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu brian j queiser writes on the subject of the upcoming new mustang i do not put much stock in the mag rags inside information or even ford rep quotes the taurus was pretty much a surprise when it was finally disclosed in its entirety inside information had the taurus with a v8 and rear wheel drive at one point i wouldnt look for a simple re paneled mustang folks you may be cheating yourself if you do theres a lot of potential ford hasnt released a new car without a 4 wheel is in 7 years the mustang project has been brewing for at least 4 right a 4 wheel is could happen those modular v8s are out there too in the interest of cafe and competition dont rule those out either your ignorant if you do and there are so many spy shots and artist renderings out there who really knows what itll look like the mach iii doubt it highly the next mustang will be fords highest profile car it attracts way more attention than the camaro firebird because its heritage is more embedded in the general public dont lie to yourself and believe ford will forfeit that the car magazines have printed a lot of information about the new mustang and the consensus about what to believe in my car circle is that the suspension pieces and tuning will be almost identical to the current cobra but on a stiffer body structure which will improve its behavior after the mn12 thunderbird cost and weight debacle ford decided independent rear suspension with rear wheel drive wont be tried again in a volume car the current 4 9l v 8 will soldier on for about two years a version of the 32 valve modular v 8 in the mark viii could be offered then ford is spending big money tooling up for 2 5l and 3 5l v 6 engines which will power most of their cars in the immediate future and therefore probably do not consider volume production of 300 hp v 8 engines a priority undisguised the car looks ok but not nearly as exciting as the new camaro firebird imo i suspect ford will produce their car with higher quality than gm will achieve with the camaro firebird the way gm loses money the temptation to just get them out the door for the sake of positive cash flow will be great once demand really takes off tim gardner windows re ati ultra pro drivers bad ati ultra in article 15apr199321275870 cvdv99 mayo edu fisk cvdv99 mayo edu tom fisk 2d 337 stm 5 4341 writes in article c5jldc hl9 news cso uiuc edu jroberts ux4 cso uiuc edu robertson writes does anybody know the ftp site with the latest windows drivers for the ati gup thanks the latest driver release is 59 and can be found at ftp cica indiana edu in the pub pc win3 directory structure as pro59 zip i checked with atis bbs last nite and there were no releases past 59 we have the ati local bus card and i noticed that i get garbage around the edges of a window when i move it has anybody else noticed this also i have the local bus card also and dont have any such problems with it now but this is the second card ive gotten the first card didnt work in vga mode correctly maybe they still have some quality control problems i would suggest checking with ati i went through the vendor i bought the card from since the problem showed up immediately i never was able to get through to atis technical support number i sure like the way the card performs though i have the 2mb ati ultra pro local bus and it is fast even in 1024x768x16bpp mode cheers phil tom thomas b fisk internet fisk mayo edu mayo clinic if you dont know where voice 507 255 4341 200 first street sw youre going youll never fax 507 255 5484 mail stop 2d 337 stm get there rochester mn 55905 philip carmack pcarmack kpc com 408 987 3336 kubota pacific computers inc windows re vbrun100 dll marion humboldt kent edu lou marion writes can someone point me in the direction of this file thanks lou marion dept of geography kent state university marion humboldt kent edu sure oh sorry this is not rec humor try cica in pub pc win3 get index to see where it is all opinions expressed are my own because nobody else wants them jls antares larc nasa gov jon l sweet windows re windows zip unzip in article 1rl9b6 h3c sol deakin oz au russ deakin oz au russ sharp writes we are using pkzip v2 04 and i am interested to hear from people who have used one of the many windows programs that call these which ones are available and does any one stand out amongst the rest is there a full windows version that does not call the dos pkzip pkunzip commands yes russ there is quinzip is a windows version but i dont think it handles all the functions available in the dos version last i looked quinzip could be found on the monash university australia mirror site of cica so id assume its still on cica itself and other mirrors have a look in the util s directory for a file called qzip21 zip o paul blackman pwb science canberra edu au o water research centre pwb aerg canberra edu au o faculty of applied science o university of canberra australia spend a little love and get high lenny kravitz religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 brian kendig writes lev 17 11 for the life of the flesh is in the blood and i have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul the old testament was very big on the eye for an eye business it makes sense that leviticus would support physical injury to repay moral wrongdoing brian k guess what you missed the point on a scale from cold to hot you are at 0 degrees kelvin i know about sanctification ive been taught all about it in sunday school catechism class and theology classes but even after all that i still cant accept it maybe im still not understanding it or maybe im just understanding it all too well then as you understand it what is it from the bottom of my heart i know that the punishment of an innocent man is wrong yes i agree with that but what does that have to do with jesus punishment you say jesus did not regard his death as punishment ive tried repeatedly over the course of several years to accept it but i just cant good i wouldnt either not the way you understand it if you can explain to me why the death of jesus was a good thing then i would be very glad to hear it and you might even convert me be warned however that ive heard all the most common arguments before and they just dont convince me ask jesus himself he himself said why in john 12 23 32 it isnt a mystery to anyone and there certainly is no need for a persuasive argument read jesuss own reply to your question jesus gives more reasons in john 16 7 but one obvious reason why jesus died and as with everything else it has nothing do with his punishment was that he could rise to life again so that we would stop doubting and believe john 21 27 the fact that jesus rose from the dead is my hope that i too will rise from the dead it is an obvious point do not overlook it without this obvious point i would have no hope and my faith would be vanity why did jesus suffer in his death again ask jesus jesus says why in john 15 18 25 thats no mystery either the world hates him without reason it is a direct proclamation of how far we humans botch things up and thus how much we need a saviour and why cant you brian k accept this how can you the world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows him john 14 17 the animosity and the lack of knowledge that comes out in your twistings of roberts daily verses is very convincing testimony of the truth of john 14 17 and 16 25 i pray and hope that i do blurt out such animosity and lack of knowledge i am not perfect either but regardless of that i thank god that jesus revealed himself to me without whom id also be bumbling about blindly though arrogantly slandering the very person who created me and who loves me windows re windows 3 1 keeps crashing please help in article 1993apr16 155637 15398 oracle us oracle com ebosco us oracle com eric bosco writes from ebosco us oracle com eric bosco subject windows 3 1 keeps crashing please help date fri 16 apr 1993 15 56 37 gmt as the subjects says windows 3 1 keeps crashing givinh me gpf on me of late it was never a very stable package but now it seems to crash every day the worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently ie i there is a way in sys ini to turn off ram parity checking unfortunately my good windows references are at home but any standard win reference will tell you how to do it if not email back to me that weird memory may be producing phony parity errors danger is if you turn checkling off you run the slight risk of data corruption due to a missed real error medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article dpc47852 uxa cso uiuc edu daniel paul checkman writes bruce data io com bruce reynolds writes anecedotal evidence is worthless even doctors who have been using a drug or treatment for years and who swear it is effective are often suprised at the results of clinical trials whether or not msg causes describable reportable documentable symptoms should be pretty simple to discover but it is quite a leap in logic to observe one situation where anecdotal evidence led nowhere and therefore conclude that anecdotal evidence will never lead anywhere im sure somebody here can provide an example where anecdotal evidence and the interpretation of it was upheld verified by follow on rigorous clinical trials i tend to disagree i think anecdotal evidence provided there is a lot of it and it is fairly consistent will is very important first it points to the necessity of doing a study and second it at least says that the effects are all psychological or possibly allergy in this case as ive pointed out persons make believe can easily be another persons reality good point there has been a tendency by some on this newsgroup to circle the wagons to the viewpoint that anecdotal medical evidence is worthless maybe to counter the claims of those who are presenting anecdotal evidence to support controversial subjects such as the yeast hypothesis but evidence is evidence it requires a jury or a process to sort it out and determine the truth from the junk medicine must continue to strive to better understand the workings of the body mind for the purpose of alleviating illness anecdotal evidence is just one piece of the puzzle it is not worthless rather it can help focus limited resources in the right direction jon noring charter member infj club if youre dying to know what infj means be brave e mail me ill send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 freds gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone 510 294 8153 chips worlds best livermore ca 94550 v mail 510 417 4101 who are you read alt psychology personality thats where the action is religion re whos next mormons and jews in other words faith in a 357 is far stronger than faith in a god providing a miracle for his followers interesting now if david korresh was god why couldnt he use lightning instead of semi automatic rifles it seems even he didnt trust in himself cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net in the hands of a defender a 357 is a miracle from god he helps those who help themselves or havent you ever heard that one before john w redelfs cj195 cleveland freenet edu all my opinions are tentative pending further data windows winprinter 800 a real deal hello netters i recenlty aquired enough money to purchase a laser printer the other day i bought the computer shopper mag i was looking through printer review section and noticed the winprinter800 the machine is incredibly low priced for all the features it has 800 dpi 8meg ram postscript compatable envelope printing my question is does anyone have one of these or know why the price is so cheap i would appricaiate it if someone would pass on their knowledge on this subject thanks alot dave donuts are a girls best friend windows re mac disks in windows in article 1993may17 045558 14180 seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes in article 1t6efv 1pj binkley cs mcgill ca gel binkley cs mcgill ca gilles khouzam writes macsee zip on ftp cica indiana edu is supposed to read and write mac disks ive never tried it though good luck i just tried it but i cant say that it works cause it doesnt read 800k disks it only reads 1 44mb if there a program that does read 800k disks please let me know well you cant say that it dont work the inability to read 800k mac disks is not a sw problem rather its a hardware limmitation on pcs i have seen a post about a program able to read non 1 44mb mac disks which comes with a watchamacalit ma memorys faling card which you just drop into a com port or something dont remember specifics tho peace mickey on all 1 44mb drives both mac and pc the disk spins at a constant rpm on 800k mac disk drives the spin rate of the disk is varied so that the tracks pass under the head at a constant speed a slower rotation for the outer tracks and a faster rotation for the inner tracks a pc needs special controller hardware to make this happen brian casey bnc macsch com cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer writes in a previous article finnegan nrlssc navy mil says in article apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu eliot writes the subarus all use 180 degree vees in their engines eliot wouldnt that make them an i4 or would they really be an 4 henceforth referred to as underscore 4 i think that it is technicaly known as a 180 degree vee configuration could be wrong this is how ive seen them referred to drew then what is a flat engine chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area religion booze it up thus sayth the lord jeremiah 25 27 therefore thou shalt say unto them thus saith the lord of hosts the god of israel drink ye and be drunken and spue and fall and rise no more because of the sword which i will send among you 25 28 and it shall be if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink then shalt thou say unto them thus saith the lord of hosts ye shall certainly drink religion o t o clarification sorry the san jose based rosicrucian order is called a m o r c i dont remember for the time being what the a m stand for but o r c is ordo rosae crucis in other words latin for order of the rose cross sigh seems lm loosing more and more of my long term memory otherwise their headquarters in san jose has a pretty decent metaphysical bookstore if any of you are interested in such books and my son loves to run around in their egyptian museum cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net windows strange messages when starting windows on a recently acquired gateway 2000 machine when starting windows three copyright statements flash on the screen right after the ms logo disappears and before programmanager takes over this does not happen on any other of our machines and i am wondering whether this is a feature or whether this is related to several problems we are having with the machine the system is a gateway 2000 4dx 33 machine the messages that appear are c copyright 1989 1992 western digital corporation all rights reserved c copyright 1985 1992 congruent corporation all rights reserved c copyright 1985 1992 microsoft corporation all rights reserved the autoexec bat file looks like this echo off prompt p g set mouse c msmouse c msmouse mouse path c c dos c windows c 123 c wp51 f apps f system f winapps f public set temp c windows temp lh wd8003e n 0x62 5 0x280 0xd000 lh winpkt 0x60 0x62 lh ipx lh netx f login login win the config sys file looks like this device c windows himem sys dos high umb device c windows emm386 exe noems x d000 d1ff stacks 9 256 files 50 buffers 30 shell c dos command com p e 1024 does anyone know what is going on any help would be much appreciated department of urban and regional planning e mail varkki uiuc edu university of illinois at urbana champaign tel 217 244 7059 religion re new biblical contradictions still not answered judas mr decenso in spite of requiring scholarly opinion on the hanging of judas rejects that the scholarly opinion of the those scholars and then rephrases those scholars opinion on the subject we do know from matthew that he did hang himself and acts probably records his death although its possible and plausible that he fell from the hanging and hit some rocks thereby bursting open i can no longer assume that to be the case therefore no contradiction matthew did not say judas died as a result of the hanging did he most scholars believe he iprobably did but i quoted all that to show that i highly regard the scholars explanations but in looking at the texts initially we cant assume judas died it is however highly probable and also there is nothing in the greek to suggest success or failure it simply means hang oneself actually if you do further research as to the greek word apacgw you will find that it does denote success those scholars did indeed have an excellent reason to assume that the suicide was successful as i pointed out i recently checked several lexicons greek english lexicon of the new testament louw and nida robinsons greek and english lexicon of the new testament greek english lexicon of the new testament grimm word study concordance tynsdale a greek english lexicon of the new testament and other early christian writings bauer arndt gingrich the new analytical greek lexicon perschbacher a couple simply stated hanged oneself and a couple were more explicit and stated that apacgw means specifically kill yourself by hanging a couple also noted that the meaning of one the root words for apacgw is strangle throttle or choke which pretty much invalidates the guy who suggested to david joslin that judas was hung upside down one of the best references though robinsons greek and english lexicon of the new testament not only stated the translation it gave both the root words the literal translation related greek words which use the same roots and also other presented specific examples of the word in greek literature to give further context the word apagchw has two root words gchw is the to strangle root and the root word apo means literally away this root words is included in words which denote a transition it can mean a transition in place eg the greek word apagello means to send a message apo can also denote a change in state and specifically the change from life to death robinson specifically makes comparison to the word apokteiuo which means to kill in literal meaning the word apacgw means to throttle strangle to put out of the way and implicitly denotes a change in life state ie away from life to death so while the word apacgw does mean to hang it specifically denotes a death as well thus robinson is quite specific when he state that it means to hang oneself to end ones life by hanging he then notes the the use of apacgw in homers odessy 19 230 to denote context he presents that example of apacgw as being used to explicitly mean suicide by hanging now since there is a perfectly good word for strangling without the added denotation of death and as you insist that the bible was written by god and every word is precicely correct you are stuck with the complete meaning of apacgw ie since the word apacgw was used then death is denoted as the result by the way i note that mr decenso also presents an example of apacgw in the septuagint the greek translation of the ot used at the time of jesus its only used in 2 samuel 17 23 now when ahithophel saw that his advice was not followed he saddled a donkey and arose and went home to his house to his city then he put his household in order and hanged himself and died and he was buried in his fathers tomb notice that not only is it stated that ahithophel hanged himself gr sept apagcho but it explicitly adds and died here we have no doubt of the result in matthew we are not explicitly told judas died note mr decenso as you say the septuagint was a translation from hebrew to greek and you have not shown the original meaning of the hebrew ie the the hebrew say and died and thus whether it was simply echoed in the greek it should also be pointed out that regardless of the added and died the correct translation would still be apacgw as the man did indeed die from strangulation redundant but correct further we have evidence that the septuagint was repeatedly rewritten and reedited which included versions which contradicted each other and such editing was not even necessarily executed by greeks thus i am not sure that you can use the septuagint as it now stands as a paragon of ancient greek so what you really need to prove your point mr decenso is an example in ancient greek of someone committing apacgw and surviving otherwise i would see you as simply making worthless assertions without corresponding evidence now i would note mr decenso that everytime i go out of my way to research it one of your apparently contrived exegisis i pretty much find it false thus i think that if you are going to add to the text something over and above what the source clearly says then you had better have an explicit greek or historical source to justify it by the way as to mr roses statement about trees around the potters field there are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom unless mr rose can show that these trees are two thousand years old or that there are 2000 year old stumps there or has a 2 thousand year old description of the area which mentions such trees then it is inappropriate for him to assert that the present placement of trees prove the location of the trees two thousand years ago after all things change now as to your other argument ie that the money judas used is not the same as the 30 silvers as to your second question mr decenso you ask how we could be sure that the money with which judas purchased the land was indeed for the betrayal rather than some other source i would point out that in acts where it specifically mention the reward of iniquity acts 1 18 it also specifically mentions what act of iniquity they were talking about ie acts 1 16 concerning judas who was guide to those who arrested jesus now i would point out that when the bible describes an act of iniquity and then immediately discusses the reward of iniquity it would be rather inane to suggest that it was an action of iniquity other than the one discussed notice that in verse 16 the word iniquity is not used rather it states that judas became a guide to those who arrested jesus but the writer did not stop there vs 17 for he was numbered with us and obtained a part in this ministry what part did judas play in their ministry true peter or the author of acts does not specifically call judas betrayal an iniquity but for that matter neither does john specifically call judas actions an iniquity either further john 13 29 did not say that judas took the money box but rather said some thought that because judas had the money box jesus was telling him buy what we need for the feast or that he should give something to the poor so after receiving the morsel he immediately went out and it was night note that it is said that judas left it does not say that he took the money box thus when i see your explanation it still seems to me you would choose the a an unproven iniquity mentioned by another author in a different book written at a different time over the iniquity explicitly mentioned by the author of acts i find this forced and contrived of course this particular argument becomes moot since we have have seen evidence that apacgw means suicide you see since judas hanging was successful he could not have spent the money mentioned in john 13 29 because matthew and mark explicitly say the betrayal was on the high holy day ie passover and thus he could not have spent the money before killing himself the next day thus the money which bought the field of blood would have to have been the 30 pieces of silver of course he got the 30 pieces of silver that night as well and thus couldnt have spent that either oh dear i believe that the house of cards is comming down maybe we should at this point discuss now whether jesus was crucified on friday or saturday as that is now part of the argument about judas by the way as to where the prophesy of the potters field came from ie the mention of it in matthew you say please when we are done with this study on his death remind me to discuss this with you i am reminding you now to discuss it now its all part of the same verse we are discussing and i wish you would quit procrastinating and sidestepping these issues later dave butler a wise man proportions his belief to the evidence david hume philosopher an inquiry concerning human understanding ps i would note again that you are not stating that that bible is not possibly inerrant you are stating that it is inerrant since you have been by your own admission presenting merely possible reconciliations i of course dont rate them that highly then the best you can do is say that the bible is possibly inerrant not that it is inerrant medicine hypoglycemia can anyone tell me if a bloodcount of 40 when diagnosed as hypoglycemic is dangerous i e indicates a possible pancreatic problem one dr says no the other not his specialty says the first is negligent and that another blood test should be done also what is a good diet what has worked for a hypo glycemic tia anthony anello fermilab batavia illinois windows dataproducts 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western australia v religion re 5 apr 93 gods promise in psalm 85 8 in article c50kdr duz acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu robert weiss writes i will hear what god the lord will speak for he will speak peace unto his people and to his saints but let them not turn again to folly psalm85 jps for the leader of the korahites a psalm o lord you will favor your land restore jacobs fortune you will forgive your peoples iniquity pardon all their sins selah you will withdraw all your anger turn away from your rage turn again o god our helper revoke your displeasure with us will you be angry with us forever prolong your wrath for all generations surely you will revive us again so that your people may rejoice in you show us o lord your faithfulness grant us your deliverance let me hear what god the lord will speak he will promise well being to his people his faithful ones may they not turn to folly his help is very near those who fear him to make his glory dwell in our land faithfulness and truth meet justice and well being kiss truth springs up from the earth justice looks down from heaven the lord also bestows his bounty our land yields its produce justice goes before him as he sets out on his way religion re freemasonry and the southern baptist convention there were some recent developments in the dispute about masonry among southern baptists i posted a summary over in bit listserv christia and i suppose that it might be useful here note that i do not necessarily agree or disagree with any of what follows i present it as information for a short summary a southern baptist named larry holly wrote a book claiming that freemasonry is a religion incompatible with christianity mr hollys father rejects christianity and mr holly blames that on the masons the sbcs home missions board includes an interfaith witness department which studies other religions and how to teach them about christ a few years ago they were ordered to produce a report on masonry they concluded that it was not a religion and therefore was outside their speciality however mr holly led a movement of people who oppose masonry and last year the convention again ordered the hmb to study masonry i got the feeling that they were saying you got the wrong answer last time try to do better and get the answer we want anyway theres been a bit of infighting and some inappropriate actions but the dust has settled and the report is in nobody is entirely happy with it but everybody seems willing to live with it both sides are saying things such as this was the best we were going to get in the current environment the report commends the masons for the charity work they do such as the hospitals and burn centers they operate as well as efforts to help the elderly and prevent drug abuse the report acknowledges that many well known christians are and have been masons and notes that many teachings of masonry are supportive of christian faith and practice examples of the latter include belief in god emphases on honesty and integrity and that some masonic lodges incorporate explicit christian beliefs on the other hand they note that some aspects of masonry are incompatible with southern baptist principles these included the use of titles which some people consider sacrilegious the taking of certain oaths even though they are not meant seriously the undeniably pagan and or occultic writings of some masonic leaders the implication in some masonic writings that salvation can be achieved by good works and the racial discrimination practiced by many masonic lodges i note with some chagrin that baptist churches as a whole arent really in a place to speak on this last point the report concludes that masonry is not a religion and says that membership should not be endorsed or censured but left to the discretion of individuals this was in part because there is variation among different masonic lodges and while one may include elements strongly against christianity another may not many southern baptists have strong convictions about the priesthood of the believer and the autonomy of the local church and this history probably influenced how the report came out the information above was gleaned from the religious herald a publication of the baptist general association of virginia and baptists today which does not have any direct links to a religious organisation autonomy is a big issue among some baptists 8 because i have neither the report itself nor whatever masonic documents are relevant to these issues none of the above comes with a guarantee your mileage may vary void where prohibited darren f provine kilroy gboro rowan edu milton we use only the finest baby frogs dew picked and flown from iraq cleansed in finest quality spring water lightly killed and then sealed in a succulent swiss quintuple smooth treble cream milk chocolate envelope and lovingly frosted with glucose praline thats as may be its still a frog medicine re chromium for weight loss there is no data to show chromium is effective in promoting weight loss the few studies that have been done using chromium have been very flawed and inher ently biased the investigators were making money from marketing it theoretically it really doesnt make sense either the claim is that chromium will increase muscle mass and decrease fat of course chromium is also used t o cure diabetes high blood pressure and increase muscle mass in athletes just as well as anabolic steroids sounds like snake oil for the 1990s on the other hand it really cant hurt you anywhere but your wallet and place bo effects of anything can be pretty dramatic paul paul sovcik pharm d u of illinois college of pharmacy email u18183 uicvm uic edu guns re waco shootout highlights total irresponsibility of the in article 1993apr5 213034 10706 gtephx uucp forda gtephx uucp andrew ford agcs phoenix arizona writes in article 1pdmgainn95f kitty ksu ksu edu strat kitty ksu ksu edu steve davis writes cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes if she needs a gun right now why doesnt she already have one you are the victim of a cut and run purse snatcher he makes off with your purse containing your id your house keys and your gun so youre saying she can run right into a store buy a gun run back outside and shoot the guy in the back as he runs off this doesnt no hes saying she just lost her gun and she wants to buy another so that as she sits home alone tonight shes not a sitting duck to any bastard who wants to break in in fact the situation is more grim that that even the purse snatcher now has her home address if the woman lives alone she is in great personal danger baseball re and americas team is but why in article kingoz 735066879 camelot kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well officially its the braves at least up until they started winning it was are they still officially if so why and how did they receive this label there is no team repeat no team that is americas team this is a diverse country with 26 mlb teams 2 up north and there is no one team that is americas who would the other teams belong to and how does it happen well teams receive this monicker through success cowboys national exposure cubs or both braves it spreas aby successful advertising campaigns harry caray ted turner amd other dupe people into thinking that their representative teams are hip so that people will watch them on tv and buy their products arrogant local fans adapt the monicker and think that their team is the one that america idolize it comes down to dollars and egos p tierney guns re batf fbi do right thing in waco in article 1993apr21 223541 2353 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes everyone is complaining about the debacle in waco it is hard to understand all this angst what happend there is nothing less than what we wanted to happen why all the sour grapes cute word angst conveys volumes id be interested in this particular definition of we its such a fluid pronoun batf was looking for a propaganda event to counteract their impending budget cuts the attendance of the press at the initial big commando raid is proof it would have been ever so easier to grab koresh and his central followers as they shopped in waco alas no propaganda value there the fbi screwed up big time all the time they should have never allowed the situation to drag out like that a quick second assault before the bds could decide on a strategy would have been the better plan the bds themselves were the biggest screw ups though they imagined that us law and us law enforcement had no jurisdiction within their little country wrong the bd were a paranoid little cult out in the middle of nowhere which all of a sudden had their worst paranoid fears reinforced joy they had no right whatsoever to fire on the batf and if they mistook their identity initially they should have surrendered at once when they did realize who they were yes they probably should have although how many paranoid nuts can say they held off the feds for 51 days if the bds had a problem with the warrants they take it to court just like the rest of us if they wanted full auto weapons they could have obtained the proper permits just like the rest of us would need to do what they may not do is decide for themselves what us law applies to themselves and which does not they get their chance like the rest of us at the voting booth the voting booth is highly over rated people need to get up off their lazy butts more than every year or every two years hell most dont even do that if the batf and fbi have become latter day gestapo then they have become that way because we have desired them to be so no because we have decided that it doesnt make enough difference to us to get up and do something thats something for instance a lot of people who go speak against gun control bills at their local government dozens of pro gun speakers show up and few if any antis do but they often win anyway why because it doesnt matter who shows up it matters whos willing to scream afterwards and it isnt that most people give a damn one way of the other but that they dont nobody gives a damn about anybody beyond their own little worlds we get to vote on laws and on the lawmakers by our choices over the years we have approved the creation and form of the batf and fbi when the fbi was out chasing pinkos the general public didnt seem to mind a bit of extra constitutional activity the general publics usually not even read the constitution and what they have learned is a distorted picture of the whole thing david veal university of tennessee division of continuing education pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed when you pushed me down the elevator shaft sometimes i get to thinking you dont love me anymore weird al yankovic guns a little question of blame was re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1993apr21 053035 29591 mcs kent edu mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu the lawnmowerman writes however it was the branch davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their savior yeah right budy boy because he had brain washed them into believing that what ever he says is the truth even if means that they are to give up their lives for his cause tolerent arent we theirs was hardly the first faith sect cult to espouse this type of belief therefore it is davids fault and not the atfs who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out this was 50 days to many for me and for many of the rest of the u s i keep hearing this and while ill agree that he should have come out legally that was his best option he didnt and as far as i know there is no legal provision for were tired of this shit lets just kick some ass so i have a question for you here goes i come up to you and point a gun at you saying im going to count to ten if you arent standing on your head by then ill kill you you believe that standing on your head is the road to damnation so you dont do it 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 bang you are now dead is it my fault for shooting you or youre fault for being shot koresh wouldnt stand on his head aaron medicine isolation amplifiers for eeg ecg cheap i have several isolation amplifier boards that are the ideal interface for eeg and ecg isolation is essential for safety when connecting line powered equipment to electrodes on the body these boards incorporate the burr brown 3656 isolation module that currently sells for 133 plus other op amps to produce an overall voltage gain of 350 400 they are like new and guaranteed good 20 postpaid schematic included please email me for more data ken carver cars q dings in the paint on my hood hello i have a 92 toyota 4x4 and in the last few weeks i have been getting quite a few dings in the paint on the hood from rocks and debris off of the road i have never had any major problems with other car trucks in the past maybe a ding once in a while i went to the dealer and he said that it happens all of the time and he recomended putting a bug deflector on the hood he said that the trucks for some unknown reason seem to have this problem more than some cars it seems to me that either my luck is really bad or there might be a problem with the paint painted on a monday morning perhaps how well do these bug deflectors work for small road debris on trucks if anyone has any experiences suggestions please let me know thanks greg thorn wam umd edu medicine re lactose intolerance in article ng4 733990422 husc harvard edu ng4 husc11 harvard edu ho leung ng writes when i was a kid in primary school i used to drink tons of milk without any problems however nowadays i can hardly drink any at all without experiencing some discomfort what could be responsible for the change ho leung ng ng4 husc harvard edu windows re old irish gaelic truetype font synopsis of replies ctwomey vms eurokom ie colum twomey comments finally rhiannon netcom com rhia mentioned that the meath font included in the casady greene fluent laser fonts 2 package is very much like what i was describing i faxed casady greene for info but got no reply casady greene seems to be notoriously slow about responding as ive heard from others who have contacted them they may not reply via fax but via snail mail give them time or contact them again rhia let joy and innocence prevail from the movie toys medicine re krillean photography living things maintain small electric fields to 1 enhance certain chemical reactions 2 promote communication of states with in a cell 3 communicate between cells of which the nervous system is a specialized example and perhaps other uses these electric fields change with location and time in a large organism special photographic techniques such as applying external fields in kirillian photography interact with these fields or the resistances caused by these fields to make interesting pictures perhaps such pictures will be diagonistic of disease problems in organisms when better understood perhaps not studying the overall electric activity of biological systems is several hundred years old but not a popular activity perhaps except in the case of a few tissues like nerves and the electric senses of fishes it is hard to reduce the investigation into small pieces that can be clearly analyzed there are some hints that manipulating electric fields is a useful therapy such as speeding the healing of broken bones but not understood why bioelectricity has a long association with mysticism ideas such as frankenstein reanimation go back to the most early electrical experiments on tissue such as when volta invented the battery i personally dont care to revert to supernatural cause to explain things we dont yet understand religion re whos next mormons and jews in article c5sl3z 2b2 murdoch acc virginia edu pmy vivaldi acc virginia edu pete yadlowsky writes anyway ive often wondered what business followers of christ would have with weapons peter m yadlowsky wake the sky is light academic computing center let us to the net again university of virginia companion keyboard pmy virginia edu after basho imo a christian has no need of weapons i know it is very contrary to the american nra ethos of the right to bear arms but christians should rely on the strength of god to protect them note that i say should we are inherently insecure but i feel that that is not proper justification to be armed to the teeth a christian should not have to rely on physical weapons to defend himself a christian should rely on his faith and intelligence for instance i have the faith that god will protect me but god also gave me the intelligence to know not to go walking down that dark alley at night to jump off a cliff and say that god will save me would be putting god to the test and who are we to test god god be with you malcolm lee medicine re help me inject according to a previous poster one should seek a doctors assistance for injections but what about sumatriptin sp doesnt one have to inject oneself immediately upon the onset of a migraine cars re instead of a saturn sc2 what from article 1qkkl5innbvo hp col col hp com by theckel col hp com tim heckel for those that are interested i got my fully optioned air abs sunroof 92 se r in september 1991 for 13 555 in sacramento ca it was one of the 1st 92s sold few of the dealers had any no local dealer had an abs equipped se r i went straight to the fleet manager at the dealership i liked told him what i wanted made him aware that i knew what his price should be he called me back with exactly what i wanted from a dealer 125mi away i took delivery the next day when i was selling nissans last summer i sold a 92 se r in early august when its supply was getting quite scarce the car was black with abs value option pkg and power moonroof i sold it for 12 900 plus tax naturally my manager didnt really care to sell one of the most desirable se rs for virtually no profit to the best of my knowledge aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi csd4 csd uwm edu why should i care id rather watch drying paint guns re the holocaust revisited in 1993apr21 175443 5338 dct ac uk mcsdc1jpb dct ac uk john bell dribbles in his nappies and manages to splutter you know john if you had kept the follow up to line here on talk politics guns we might have taken you a bit more seriously it would have at least implied that you had some backbone perhaps a modicum of willingness to present your views and support them i guess we all know better now people dumb enough to give their money and possessions to a guy who says hes jesus deserve all they get really thats interesting as i was always of the opinion that people dumb enough to keep a monarchy around and support them with tax funds when said monarchy is merely a figurehead deserve all that they get dunkirk for example what that has nothing to do with it then enjoy your helping of foot anyway he killed a few feds and they killed a few people of their own including one child at last report so what being a federal agent is not license to kill then theres cnn indicating that the atf fbi actually did start the fires which would mean feds killed just under 100 people if youre so hot to assign blame make sure you dont overlook the obvious hes not the goddam hero here montgomery isnt much of a hero here either amazing how different things look on the other side of the pond isnt it not that what you think makes much of a difference in the usa though and for good reason when you can vote ill take your rhetoric a bit more seriously right now youre merely a waste of trans atlantic bandwidth hes dead an im happy proof positive that ignorance really is bliss dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article 1r0qsrinnc61 clem handheld com jim de arras writes mr roby you are a government sucking heartless bastard humans died yesterday humans who would not have died if the fbi had not taken the actions they did that is the undeniable truth the question is for how long even if the fbi had done nothing i guess the bds would have committed suicide but maybe not until hunger and thirst gave them the choice between sucide or surrender the bds was warned in beforehand about the fbi action they had the chance to surrender and get a fair trial no matter who started the fire the bds were responsible for 80 peole dying no one else paal ellingsen borgensvingen 67 102 tlf 083 50933 paale stud cs uit no 9100 kvaloeysletta data dobbelt arbeid til alle guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article kevin 93apr20085431 axon usa kevin axon usa kevin vanhorn writes in article c5rpoj ijv news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set by cult members correction the fbi says that two of the nine who escaped said the fire was deliberately set by cult members since the press was kept miles away we have absolutely no independent verification of any of the governments claims in this matter moreover the batf has admitted having agents in the compound and as far as i have been able to ascertain those agents were still in the compound when the first shots were fired for all we know these two people may be the agents who would certainly be unlikely to stay around and cook with the faithful assuming the two people in question were even in the compound at all maybe i sound paranoid but i watched janet reno last night harping on how much david koresh was a big bad child abuser and i kept wondering why she much less batf wanted us to infer that she had any jurisdiction over such accusations in the first place im positive that the sealed warrant is not for child abuse what was it for peobably weapons violations janet reno didnt say word one last night about weapons violations why because she knows that such a case is no longer believable cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet religion davidians and compassion so we have this highly christian religious order that put fire on their house killing most of the people inside im not that annoyed about the adults they knew supposedly what they were doing and its their own actions what i mostly are angry about is the fact that the people inside including mothers let the children suffer and die during awful conditions if this is considered religious following to the end im proud that i dont follow such fanatical and non compassionate religions you might want to die for whatever purpose but please spare the innocent young ones that has nothing to do with this all i have a hard time just now understanding that christianity knows about the word compassion christians do you think the actions today would produce a good picture of your religion kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx we have seen lots of discussion on automobile engine configuration let me ask a similar question from the aviation field you must have seen images of prop planes with all cylinders exposed i have seen up to 8 cylinders positioned radially in a circular fashion with the prop at the center of the circle this arrangement always brings up a geometric dilemma how can one crankshaft throw accomodate 8 rods or are the pistons displaced but not visible from the outside bijan baseball quick easy question heres an easy question for someone who knows nothing about baseball what city do the california angels play out of richard j rauser you have no idea what youre doing rauser sfu ca oh dont worry about that were professional wni outlaws we do this for a living remember no matter where you go there you are dr banzai medicine re help for kidney stones isnt there a relatively new treatment for kidney stones involving a non invasive use of ultra sound where the patient is lowered into some sort of liquid when he she undergoes treatment im sure ive read about it somewhere if i remember it correctly it is a painless and effective treatment a couple of weeks ago i visited a hospital here in stockholm and saw big signs showing the way to the kidney stone chrusher mats winberg stockholm sweden religion re is it good that jesus died brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes so what is your beef against jesus first and foremost i honestly do not believe that jesus was anything more than a man who lived and died two thousand years ago i know your bible provides wonderful stories of the things he said and did but i simply do not believe that he still exists as an entity that has any bearing on this universe or the lives in it and i similarly do not believe that the god that you worship exists or has ever existed period i view religion in general and christianity in specific as a cultural virus that has been passed down from generation to generation because people are often too afraid to think for themselves and claim responsibility for their own fate so they brainwash themselves and their children into believing the popular myths and it goes on from there and eventually christianity becomes a given if so many other people believe in it it must be right no i dont believe in any life after death i believe that when i die i die so therefore its up to me to try to bring meaning and purpose to my life in the meantime i dont believe that its a good thing to humble myself and view pride as a sin pride in moderation is a constructive thing i see nothing at all wrong with homosexuality and nothing inferior about women and my priests lost a lot of my trust when they patronizingly tried to explain the faults of these opinions to me i dont believe in loving everyone especially people ive never met while i try to show respect to everyone my love and admiration is something not easily earned and i do not feel guilty about denying my respect and consideration to someone who has abused it if you want me to take your religion the least bit seriously stop trying to show me how the bible makes sense start trying to show me that this jesus person is somehow still influencing anyones life here on earth brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau medicine re cant breathe david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu wrote reply to ron roth rose com ron roth while youre right that the s vertebrae are attached to each other the sacrum to my knowledge can be adjusted either directly or by applying pressure on the pubic bone ron youre an endless source of misinformation there are no sacral vertebrae there is a bone called the sacrum at the end of the spine it is a single solid bone except in a few patients who have a lumbarized s1 as a normal variant how do you adjust a solid bone break it no dont tell me i dont want to know oh come now surely you know he only meant to measure the flow of electromagnetic energy about the sacrum and then adjust these flows with a crystal of chromium applied to the right great toe dont you know anything kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer religion re is it good that jesus died in article bskendigc5wrsm gyx netcom com bskendig netcom com brian kendig writes as long as were trading secrets let me tell yall one i got a really bad feeling in my heart back when i was a christian i couldnt really pinpoint it but something felt dreadfully cheap and wrong about the whole affair i had been a devout follower even a bible banger but eventually it started ringing terribly hollow to me and i felt torn when i began to disagree with a lot of what the bible and my priests told me this was what made me finally realize that either i was very wrong or else the bible was very wrong and since i felt reasonably sure of myself i decided to start analyzing the bible very closely that was the catalyst to my break with my faith though it was a long and difficult effort brian have you checked out what your priests told you in the bible to see whether they were telling you the truth did you know that according to the bible there shouldnt even be such things as priests anymore do you know why the preisthood was established in the old testament to begin with and the reasons why after jesus there were no priests that is until the roman catholic church 300 years later devised the doctrine of transubstantiation by ignoring the whole concept beyond the book of hebrews you said you analyzed the bible very closely i think you are lying for if you had i would think you would have at least got the doctrine of hell straight so what is your beef against jesus be specific and point on verses guns re gritz jbs liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian in article 1993apr17 082102 4155 ccsvax sfasu edu f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu writes in article kckluge 93apr16155756 krusty eecs umich edu kckluge eecs umich edu karl kluge writes and im sure that people who were big fans of fuedalism pissed and moaned about the emergence of the modern nation state imagine the king allowing serfs their freedom if they could live in the city for a year times change technology changes viable forms of social organization change while concerns about preserving western notions of civil liberties in the face of cultures with very different values is a valid one its a waste of effort to try to turn back the tide its much smarter to focus on trying to make sure that the emerging forms of social organization are your response is yet another sign of the trend towards one world government many people such as yourself who are otherwise probably likeable and intelligent show every sign of having been successfully brainwashed you dont recognize that your inevitable tide is rolling into chaos and in no way represents an advance for civilization some of us do indeed lament the passing of old forms such as the bill of rights which are indeed inalienable rights of man that cannot be changed transferred or surrendered rights of man that far transcend yes napoleon wanted a grand new order hitler wanted a thousand year reich lenin knew that bolshevism would give us the universal new man the new world order is just so much of the same old tired garbage the pathetic part is that so many americans seem put not your trust in princes is the biblical proverb the modern analog is governments at the time of the founding of the us the idea that citizens had rights above those of the government was not that common but was explicit in the writings of the founders to a considerable extent englishmen also had those rights yes times change and technology changes the possibility of a few governments enserfing all of mankind was not possible until quite recently in the feudal system the lord was almost as restricted as the serfs so having the people enserf themselves does not make anything better most feudal lords and even most slaveowners did not mistreat those under them freedom of speech and freedom of religion are under real attack now herman rubin dept of statistics purdue univ west lafayette in47907 1399 phone 317 494 6054 hrubin snap stat purdue edu internet bitnet purdue pur ee snap stat hrubin uucp guns re whos next mormons and jews in article 1993apr20 003522 22480 midway uchicago edu thf2 midway uchicago edu writes in article 1qvfik 6rf usenet ins cwru edu cj195 cleveland freenet edu john w redelfs writes now that big brother has rubbed out one minority religion in waco who is next the mormons or jews the koreshians rubbed themselves out neither mormons nor jews have a propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene so im not particularly concerned or shall we blame jim jones on the government also i believe we still remember masada where jews killed themselves rather than being captured by the romans while i do not agree with the davidians i must admire their willingness to die for what they believed which jews have had to do often herman rubin dept of statistics purdue univ west lafayette in47907 1399 phone 317 494 6054 hrubin snap stat purdue edu internet bitnet purdue pur ee snap stat hrubin uucp medicine corneal erosion abrasions for several years i have been dealing with reccurring corneal erosion there does not seem to be much known about the cause of such a problem my current episode is pretty bad since it is located in the middle of the cornea if its bad enough the usual treatment for it is puncture therapy however my doctor this time is trying to let it heal by itself by putting a contact lens to protect the area apparently the problem is not that common but id be curious if anyone else out there has a similar problem perhaps to see if a cause can be found mark london mrl nerus pfc mit edu baseball re young catchers mss netcom com mark singer said in article 7975 blue cis pitt edu genetic pitt edu david m tate writes mss netcom com mark singer said we know that very very few players at this age make much of an impact in the bigs especially when they havent even played aaa ball yes but this is irrelevant youre talking about averages when we have lots of information about this player in particular to base our decisions on do you really have that much information on him really i dont personally but clay just posted it yes we do unfortunately it shows that lopez wasnt as good an example as nieves would have been since his last year numbers were out of line with the previous years which i didnt have access to the point remains though knowing a guys minor league history is as good as knowing his major league history if you know how to read it why isnt lopez likely to hit that well he hit that well last year after adjusting his stats for park and league and such he hit better on an absolute scale than olson or berryhill did by a lot i dont know you tell me what percentage of players reach or exceed their mles in their rookie season were talking about 1993 you know the mle is not a projection its an equivalence its a this is how well he hit last year in major league terms rating so in essence he has already reached it i would guess bob clay that essentially half of all players surpass their previous mles in their rookie seasons maybe more than half since all of these players are young and improving if that were your purpose maybe offerman spent 1992 getting acclimated if you will the dodgers as a team paid a big price that season did they offerman may have been the difference between 4th or 5th place and last place but no more perhaps they will reap the benefits down the road do you really think they would have done what they did if they were competing for a pennant sure they didnt have anyone better i suppose they might have gutted the farm system to acquire jay bell or spike owen or somebody if they were really in contention the point was not that 17 ab is a significant sample but rather that he hadnt done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager to question whether his minor league numbers were for real or to send him down until he gets warmed up for a stat head im amazed that you put any credence in spring training if youd read what i wrote youd be less amazed nowhere do i claim to put any credence in spring training quite the contrary i said that lopez hadnt done anything that even the bozos who do put credence in spring training could interpret as failure just because i think spring training numbers are meaningless doesnt mean that bobby cox does its just a case of ruling out one possible explanation for sending lopez down the kid will improve playing at aaa just like keith mitchell did wait a minute i missed something here keith mitchell did very very well at aa aaa and the majors over a season then did very very poorly for a year in aaa david m tate i do not know what it is about you that closes posing as and opens only something in me understands e e can the pocket of your glove is deeper than pete roses dy cummings nobody not even tim raines has such soft hands religion re clarification of personal position in article c5muiw aqc mailer cc fsu edu dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu darius lecointe wrote i will repeat my position here worshipping on sunday has never been a sin as a child i attended services on saturday and sunday at the sda church and at the pentecostal church across the street i might even go to a baptist church next week i worship god every day and every christian should even if we can prove that christians should meet on sunday and we cant we can never prove that violation of the sabbath is not a sin any longer nor can we prove that violation of sunday is a sin we cannot use the sabbath commandment for that purpose my online bible is on a cd but i dont own a cd rom system for the time being so i cant search for the famous cite where jesus explicitly states that he didnt want to break existing jewish laws in other words technically speaking christians should use saturday and not sunday as their holy day if they want to conform to the teachings of jesus cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net medicine re opinions on allergy hay fever shots in article 1993apr22 143929 26131 midway uchicago edu jacquier gsbux1 uchicago edu eric jacquier writes i am interested in trying this desensitization method against hay fever what is the state of affairs about this i went to a doctor and paid 85 for a 10 minute interview 3 scratches leading to the diagnostic that i am allergic to june and timothy grass i believe this from now on it looks like 2 shots per week for 6 months followed by 1 shot per month or so each shot costs 20 talking about soaring costs and the health care system i would call that a racket we are not talking about rare amazonian grasses here but the garbage which grows behind the doctors office apart from this issue i was somewhat disappointed to find out that you have to keep getting the shots forever is that right thanks for information go to your public library and get the february 1988 issue of consumer reports an article on allergy shots begins on page 96 this article is must reading for anyone contemplating allergy shots windows re how do i make ghostscript work you need gs252ini zip and 24 zip and 25 zip font files you can get these from wuarchive wustl edu mirrors msdos postscript i also advice you to get gs252gui zip from cica it is a nice interface for ghostscript ghostscript is very user unfriendly this interface makes it user friendly for using this interface you have to get vbrun100 dll from risc ua edu pub network misc copy this to your windows directory copy gui executables and other files to your ghostscript directory and anter the line below to your autoexec bat set gs lib c your ghostscript and gui directory now you are ready to use it enjoy it in article 1993apr16 114432 1 ulkyvx louisville edu cl238405 ulkyvx louisvill e edu steve w brewer writes what files do i need to download for ghostscript 2 5 2 i have never used ghostscript before so i dont have any files for it what i do have is gs252win zip which i downloaded from cica unfortunately it doesnt seem to work on its own but needs some more files that i dont have i want to run ghostscript both in windows 3 1 and in ms dos on a 386 pc i understand theres versions for both environments what are all the files i need to download and where can i get them any info would be appeciated steve w brewer rewerb w evets cl238405 ulkyvx louisville edu ude ellivsiuol xvyklu 504832lc m 0 religion re federal hearing on fri 16 apr 1993 04 21 09 gmt dmcgee uluhe soest hawaii edu don mcgee said dm fact or rumor madalyn murray ohare an atheist who eliminated the dm use of the bible reading and prayer in public schools 15 years ago is now dm going to appear before the fcc with a petition to stop the reading of the dm gospel on the airways of america and she is also campaigning to remove dm christmas programs songs etc from the public schools if it is true dm then mail to federal communications commission 1919 h street washington dc dm 20054 expressing your opposition to her request reference petition number dm 2493 false this story has been going around for years theres not a drop of truth note that i dont care for ohare ohair myself but this is one thing shes not guilty of ed mccreary o edm twisto compaq com if it were not for laughter there would be no tao windows tcp ip through windows 3 1 i dont know much about computers so please bear with me heres my question context i use a package called slip on my home computer to connect to the university mainframe an ibm 3090 running vms mvs and log on to my account when i installed slip on my computer i had to configure it for my modem 14 4 kbs etronics internal and had to supply the phone number to dial to reach the mainframe the way it works now is that i type telnet uicvm or tn3270 uicvm either will work at the dos prompt uicvm is the node name of the mainframe the program then dials the mainframe establishes a protocol and gives me the logon screen telnet and tn3270 are the names of batch files in my slip directory i have been told that a kermit protocol is used for the session problem i would like to be able to do all this under windows 3 1 because i hardly ever use dos directly slip will not run under windows i talked to the people at our computer center and they suggested that i use a packet driver called winpkt com with slip they gave me instructions on how to load it before i start windows and how to modify the tcpstart and tcpstop batch files in the slip directory to ensure that it would work i did all that and i could run slip from windows but there were other problems for one thing slip would not hang up the phone when i exited i had to run my communi cations program to hang up the phone or reboot the computer when that didnt work for another there were too many errors it often took me 3 4 tries to connect to the mainframe our computer center does not support slip under windows so i cant keep going back to them with more questions question is there some other shareware package that will run under windows and do what slip is supposed to do i need a package that is not too expensive which is why i am looking for shareware i have heard that there are regular commercial packages that do all this but they cost hundreds of dollars these are the main requirements 1 must be able to run under windows 3 1 2 must allow vt100 and ibm tn3270 terminal emulation 3 must allow ftp file transfers since thats the only kind the mainframe allows no y modem or z modem etc i believe the ftp transfers are made through a kermit protocol but im hazy about that a subsidiary feature that would be nice to have if its a true windows program rather than a dos program modified to run under windows is the ability to run the session in a window concurrently with other applications and to cut and paste between the telnet session and other applications any information received is appreciated pankaj saxena u09416 uicvm uic edu baseball re lets play the name game in article 1993apr20 035607 26095 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes how about changing team names post your choices here ill start how about the baltimore baseblazers san francisco quakes pittsburgh sellouts shawn go rangers medicine re help for kidney stones etxmow garbo ericsson se mats winberg writes isnt there a relatively new treatment for kidney stones involving a non invasive use of ultra sound where the patient is lowered into some sort of liquid when he she undergoes treatment im sure ive read about it somewhere if i remember it correctly it is a painless and effective treatment the use of shock waves not ultrasound to break up stones has been around for a few years depending on the type of machine and intensity of the shock waves it is usually uncomfortable enough to require something the high power machines cause enough pain to require general or regional anesthesia afterwards it feels like someone slugged you pretty good cars re sho and sc in article 5214 unisql uucp wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes in article chrissc587qb d1b netcom com chriss netcom com chris silvester writes wagon which i have heard is somehow slightly faster than the coupe wagon has an automatic its slower could be due to the rear end ratio also usually automatics have different rear ends than manuals from my limited experience anyways david david w hwang m d university of michigan medical school 1050 wall street suite 10c telephone 313 663 5557 ann arbor michigan 48105 internet david ganglion ann arbor mi us windows info on books on bios 286 etc hi everybody i am interested in the following topics 1 bios programming on 286 and 386 2 memory management in 286 and 386 3 developing visual basic custom controls i would like to have your valuable opinion on the books that are best in the above topics please send a mail to rmehta paul rutgers edu i will post a summary of the suggestions 2 32 1 thanks in advance rahul mehta guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 kevin axon usa kevin vanhorn writes in article c5rpoj ijv news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set by cult members correction the fbi says that two of the nine who escaped said the fire was deliberately set by cult members since the press was kept miles away we have absolutely no independent verification of any of the governments claims in this matter indeed larry king had the two attorneys whose clients are now dead of koresh and another davidian on his show last night their discussions with the survivors differ from the fbi account the attorneys say that they were told that the tanks knocked over lanterns in the compound which started the fires government spokespeople have lied and contradicted each other throughout this whole affair ill wait for some better evidence before i form an opinion paul hager hagerp moose cs indiana edu i would give the devil benefit of the law for my own safetys sake from a man for all seasons by robert bolt religion re religion and homosexuality magarret magnus acs ohio state edu computer dudette writes i just recently realized that i am bisexual and also just recently returned to religion and have a good friend who has pointed out to me that homosexuality is a sin in the bible well i dont see how it could be considered a sin first of all as far as i know only male homosexuality is explicitly mentioned in the bibles so youre off the hook there i think in any event there are plenty of people in many denominations who do not consider a persons sexual identification of gay lesbian bisexual as an immoral lifestyle choice also i have always been a somewhat liberal feminist and am pro choice and it seems that being pro choice and being religious dont mix either i am told this is another misconception you are not being told the whole story my former minister is a lesbian and i know personally and professionally several openly gay and lesbian ministers i am a unitarian universalist and like most others in my denomination am pro choice you neednt go looking to the unitarian universalists which is a liberal religion for acceptance of your sexual identification and pro choice views however there are many of us who believe in spirituality and freedom of conscience good luck on your journey daniel oconnell meadville lombard theological school university of chicago divinity school dsoconne uchicago edu cars re ultimate awd vehicles in article apr16 215151 28035 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu eliot writes the price of parts is a different story though you can say that again how does 23 for a new thermostat sound teddy cars re geico goldberg oasys dt navy mil mark goldberg writes in rec autos jmh hopper virginia edu jeffrey hoffmeister writes my suggestion stay where you are or shop around but stay away from geico i strongly agree with jeff heres my horror story many years back i switched to geico from state farm to save some i have a relatively new sports car for which we covered with liability collision and comprehensive with this make of car new models came out in january not september like other makes the car was purchased in august of that year we also had a much older clunker for which we only wanted liability low and behold a vandal slashed the roof of the sports car and we put in a claim this was in october still the current model year for the car a new top with installation was 135 we had 50 deductible so we should have gotten 85 you had to go to geicos local office to have an adjuster see the car unlike state farm that sent the adjusters to the shop or your place he said since the car is now one year old well depreciate the top by 50 so youll get 35 on the claim this will also count as an accident against you so your rate may increase the hassle continued then we got a letter from geico saying claim denied your policy on this car doesnt cover this i then learned that their records had the full coverage collision etc on our old clunker and only had liability for this new car they mixed up our cars in their records i fixed the top myself with some carpet thread and dropped my claim they still charged me with an accident i cancelled my policy and switched to another company the coup de gras came when they sent me a bill for an additional balance due for the difference in collision comprehensive cost between my sports car and my clunker i returned the bill unpaid with a nastygram plus explicity directions to perform recto cranial insertion havent heard from them since everyones entitled to my opinion goldberg oasys dt navy mil imagination is more important than knowledge albert einstein good for you i am convinced that someone should start a boycott against geico any takers chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area medicine re hives in article 1993apr28 064144 24115 nuscc nus sg isckbk nuscc nus sg kiong beng kee wrote my wife had hives during the first two months of her pregnancy my son 3 months old breast fed now has the same symptoms she has been to a skin specialist but he has merely prescribed various medicines one each visit as though by trial and error anti histamines worked on both of them but looks like becoming less effective are there other solutions thanks kiong beng kee dept of information systems and computer science national university of singapore lower kent ridge road singapore 0511 food products can get through breast milk and cause allergies in the young since the son is allergic it would be best not to go to bottle feedings but rather eliminate foods from mothers diet your pediatrician should be able to give you a list of foods to avoid good luck steve religion the law of retribution the law of retribution violent crime racism bigotry domestic abuse rape police brutality and oppression human rights violations etc etc continue to get worse and worse in spite of more and more man made laws on all levels from local ordinances to international law the man made laws are not working what we have here is failure to communicate perpetrators remain ignorant of the law a universal cosmic and spiritual law the law of retribution or karma be not deceived god is not mocked for whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap galatians 6 7 kjv he that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword here is the patience and faith of the saints revelation 13 10 kjv what goes around comes around this law of the universe is just as real as the physical law that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction it is the enforcement the teeth behind the golden rule do unto others as you would have others do unto you all perpetrators in the present will become victims in the future most likely in a future incarnation most victims in the present were perpetrators in the past usually during a previous life what is needed is a massive worldwide program of education to teach all present and potential perpetrators in a convincing manner with sufficient supporting evidence that what they do to others will be done to them in this life or the next anyone who doubts the fact of reincarnation and the related law of retribution should read books such as here and hereafter by ruth montgomery which describes several kinds of evidence supporting reincarnation including hypnotic regression to past lives about 50 accurate the subconscious mind can sometimes make things up especially with a bad hypnotist spontaneous recall especially by young children some of whom can identify their most recent previous relatives homes possessions etc dream recall of past life experiences deja vu familiarity with a far off land while traveling there for the first time on vacation the psychic readings of the late edgar cayce and even supporting statements from the christian bible including matthew 17 11 13 john the baptist was the reincarnation of elias and john 9 1 2 how can a person possibly sin before he is born unless he lived before strong interests innate talents strong phobias etc typically originate from a persons past lives for example a strong fear of swimming in or traveling over water usually results from having drowned at the end of a previous life and sometimes a person will take an immediate dislike to another person being met for the first time in their present life because of a bad encounter with him during a previous incarnation people would behave much better toward each other if they knew that their actions in the present will surely be reaped by them in the future or in a future incarnation for more information answers to your questions etc please consult my cited sources books like here and hereafter by ruth montgomery un altered reproduction and dissemination of this important information is encouraged robert e mcelwaine 2nd initiate in eckankar but not an agent thereof cars re warning please read in article 1993apr15 024246 8076 virginia edu ejv2j virginia edu erik velapoldi writes this happened about a year ago on the washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass four or five cars were hit there were several serious injuries and sadly a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck in the head by one of the larger rocks i dont recall if she made it but i think she was comatose for a month or so and doctors werent holding out hope that shed live what the hell is happening to this great country of ours i can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such but 20 pound rocks has our society really stooped this low erik velapold society as we have known it it coming apart at the seams the basic reason is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is no big deal kids see hundreds on murderous acts on tv we can abort children on demand and kill the sick and old at will so why be surprised when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people they dont care because the message they hear is life is cheap at medicine re lasers for dermatologists it is not true that dermatologists gave not reached the laser age in fact lasers in dermatological surgery is a very new and exciting field it probably wont be effective in tinea pedis because the laser is usually a superficial burn to avoid any deeper damage limited tinea pedis can be cured albeit sometimes slowly by topical antifungals as well as systemic medication i e tablets finally a self diagnosis is not always reliable lichen simplex chronicus can look like a fungal infection and requires very different treatment gervais cars vw jetta gli help i am considering the purchse of a 1987 vw jetta gli with 87k miles on it i recently found out that there are two versions of the gli 8v and 16v i know of three differences between the two cars that both carry the same name the 16v version has 20 more horsepower 4 wheel discs and a standard sunroof oops thats the difference between the gli 16v and the regular gl so in addition to the engine what other differences exist between the two models of the jetta gli more importantly how can i tell which version this one is there are no badges that said 16v so i am inclined to think that is the 8v version assuming this one the one i looked at is the 8v version is there a valid reason to buy it instead of a comparably equipped gl which would cost less of course i would love to get the 16v version but money talks please email any responses thank you peter volpe pv9955 albnyvms bitnet baseball re 200 sbs 200 hrs in article c5ws3k hqc odin corp sgi com dans fore csd sgi com dan steinman writes last night on the giants mets radio broadcast hank and ted were discussing the fact that there were only 16 players who had ever hit 200 homeruns and stolen 200 bases in their career while hojo was batting anyone have a list not as easy as it sounds to come up with all of them i couldnt mays mantle aaron henderson morgan bonds dad frank robinson molitor yount guessing now id be interested to see the whole list thanks dan ya think winfield is on it guns re the usual arc cco caltech edu aaron ray clements writes i was under the impression that to obtain fissionable materials i e plutonium or reactor weapons grade uranium one was required to obtain a federal permit to own such materials no you merely have to start working on yellowcake or else devise a system to get it from other sources btw the doe handles reactor fuel and merely leases it to reactors the nrc certifies these reactors the military have their own sources a private citizen has none of these official sources actually why bother looking it up from the material we covered last term in 10 weeks of ge ch 127 nuclear chemistry i could derive what it would take to build a bomb thats freshman level chemistry big deal can you make it work thats phd level physics big difference and as far as the explosive charge i as a chemist could synthesize a variety of explosives from commonly available chemicals in the garage if i felt like the electronics behind the detonator and the shaped charges are a little trickier however but not impossible using a few tricks of the trade and if i really wanted to be nasty i could include a core of hydrogen and deuterium so you admit that theres no law that could stop you physics aside could you make one if you had the funds and time the answer is yes so do we lock you up now because of this surely you can see where the comparison with anti gun laws comes into play here of course the hardest part is getting the fissionable material to start with and living long enough to put a bomb together plutonium has some nasty properties precisely why its not as readily utilized as you seem to have been lead to believe btw 98 u235 is far better for home made bombs than trying to use plutonium the laws of physics make the creation of a device without serious manufacturing facilities very low in probability dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them windows windows 3 1 and imf boards i am interested to know if there is know procedure document to configure an ibm musci feature imf card to work as the sound device with ms windows 3 1 i believe the imf uses the same fm synth chip as the soun blaster but didnt know what driver to use or how to configure the midi mapper any help past success suggestions thanks don donald finch technical support engr n american solution centers voice 415 336 2796 microsystems fax 415 960 0943 email don finch corp sun com m s mtv07 04 guns re ban all firearms in article 1993apr14 184448 2331 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes in article 1993apr14 183025 29688 sco com allanh sco com allan j heim writes papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca paul prescod drugs are banned please tell me when this supply will dry up drugs are easier to manufacture easier to smuggle easier to hide no comparison then lets use another example alcoholic beverages bottles of whiskey are larger heavier and more fragile than bags of drugs barrels and kegs are larger and heavier still and are difficult to manipulate yet a lot of people managed to get very rich off of the smuggling of booze into this country during the years of prohibition there was a demand so an entire industry formed to supply it if alcohol were again banned today it would be much more difficult to manage a large scale smuggling operation the cops now rank just a narrow notch below the military in communications intelligence gathering and firepower in a similar vein the amount of marijuana smuggled into this country has greatly decreased this is because its value per pound is very low when compared to cocaine or heroin its simply not worth the risk its uneconomical now most reefer is domestic there is less pressure on the domestic producer showy raids notwithstanding and thus it is economical heres a question if most marijuana is domestic and producing it here is economical why would we expect it to be imported of note though domestic reefer is now very strong so a small volume goes a long way you cannot make alcohol stronger than 200 proof not a good dollar pound deal yet it was done done quite successfully for a number of years somebody thought it was worth the risk firearms tend to fall into this low dollar pound area it would not be economic to smuggle them in your assumption is that this low dollar pound area is sufficiently low as to make gun running unprofitable on what do you base this and given that smuggling channels are already established and given the economies of scale would it really add significantly more expense to start smuggling firearms especially considering doing so would be less hazardous in terms of getting caught than drugs all production would have to be local now that was a jump in any case define local its a big country there are not all that many people who have both the skill and motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch high ranking crime figures could obtain imported uzis and such but the average person and average thug would be lucky to get a zip gun and would pay through the nose for it wow you gotta love the speculation as i posted before we import billions upon billions of raw ores across the mexican border not only that but ships come in and out of u s harbors every day full stuff and customs doesnt even have the extra advantage of being able to sniff them out id be willing to wager that a shipload of handguns would be worth more than a shipload of raw ore and youre virtually guaranteed to get it past customs because theyd have to hand search every hold of every ship which came through its not simply a matter of how much money are they worth but how much more money are they worth than other goods based on the likelihood of being caught less money than drugs but also a safer thing to smuggle david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al medicine re do we need a radiologist to read an ultrasound dougb comm mot com doug bank writes my wifes ob gyn has an ultrasound machine in her office when on her next visit my wife asked another doctor in the office if they read the ultrasounds themselves or if they had a radiologist read the pictures the doctor very vehemently insisted that they were qualified to read the ultrasound and radiologists were not my wife is concerned about this she saw a tv show a couple months back something like 20 20 or dateline nbc etc where an expert on fetal ultrasounds a radiologist was showing all the different deffects that could be detected using the ultrasound should my wife be concerned should we take the pictures to a radiologist for a second opinion and if so where would we find such an expert in chicago we dont really have any special medical reason to be concerned but if a radiologist will be able to see things the ob gyn cant then i dont see why we shouldnt use one any thoughts as far as i can see if your obstetrition has an ultrasound in his rooms and is expirienced its use and interpretation he should be just as capable of reading it as any radiologist all doctors are qualified to read x rays u s ct scans etc it is just that a radiologist does nothing else and thus is only better at reading them because of all this time spent doing this skill in reading x rays etc just comes from plenty of practice if your obstetrition reads heaps of obstetric ultrasounds he should be able to pick up any abnormalities that can be demonstrated by this technique paul zikzak public access unix melbourne australia o o baseball re lets talk phillies in article 1993apr15 232551 14817 leland stanford edu eechen leland stanford edu emery ethan chen writes one phrase for you fuck you thanks perhaps its time to start rec sport baseball graffiti where the kiddies can go yell taunts and insults at each other and leave the rest of us in peace sherri nichols snichols adobe com windows truetype fonts that display but do not print i just installed a new truetype font under ms windows 3 1 but though all the applications display the font correctly on the screen quite a few of them fail to print out the document correctly on a laserjet 4 non postscript printer when i use the font in coreldraw the document prints correctly so i assume coreldraw knows that the font has to be downloaded to the printer but when i use the windows accessory write the printer prints square boxes in place of the characters of the new font yet write does display the font correctly on the screen i looked through all the windows and laserjet manuals but got nowhere all of them just make the statement that truetype fonts will print exactly as you see them on the screen so i assume windows knows that a font has to be downloaded automatically but how to make it do that appreciate any help windows word for windows problems in trying to use the equation editor in word for windows 2 0 i get a couple of error messages along the lines of cant find font mt extra for default printer some characters my not be displayed or printed try installing equation editor again or reinstall a new printer similar for the font fences i know i have these fonts on my system but are unable to use them i have tried both of these solutions to no avail if anyone has had similar problems and has found a way to fix this could they let me know it is urgently required thanks jason cleeve j cleeve ieee org q comp sci hons elect eng t la trobe university australia email cleeve lucifer latrobe edu au jason cleeve j cleeve ieee org q comp sci hons elect eng t la trobe university australia email cleeve lucifer latrobe edu au medicine re new multiple sclerosis drug in article 12252 news duke edu adm neuro duke edu alan magid writes disclaimer i speak only for myself so just what was it you wanted to say gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon medicine re bacteria invasion and swimming pools i have been struck down this past week by a stomach bug and fever which went away quickly when treated with an antibiotic the pharmacist told me the antibiotic is effective against a wide variety of gram negative bacteria i was wondering where i might have acquired such a bacteria could they hang out in swimming pool water or would the chlorine kill them feeling better i am j bronstein disraeli leland stanford edu medicine re hernia in article c5qopx 5mq encore com sheffner encore com steve heffner writes a bit more than a year ago a hernia in my right groin was discovered it had produced a dull pain in that area the hernia was repaired using the least intrusive orthoscopic method and a plug and patch i suspect you mean laparoscopic instead of orthoscopic now the pain occurs more often my gp couldnt identify any specific problem the surgen who performed the original procedure now says that yes there is a new hernia in the same area and he said that he has to cut into the area for the repair this time my question to the net is there a nonintrusive method to determine if in fact there is a hernia or if the pain is from something else by far the still best method to diagnose a hernia is old fashioned physical examination if you have an obvious hernia sac coming down into your scrotum or a bulge in your groin that is brought about by increasing intra abdominal pressure sometimes is not that obvious the hernia is small and you can only detect it by putting your finger into the inguinal canal whether you have a recurrent hernia or this is related to the previous operation i cant tell you the person that examined you is in the best position to make that determination are there non invasive ways of diagnosing a hernia every now and then folks write about ct scans and ultrasounds for this but these are far too expensive and unlikely to be better than a trained examining finger howard doyle doyle pitt edu windows re permanent swap file in a previous article mlipsie rdm09 std com mike lipsie mpu says in article c54yfd 6ld sunfish usd edu pwiseman salmon usd edu cliff writes your swap file is purged every time you exit windows if you shut off your computer without exiting windows your swap file remains 20 mb is on the large side are you running more applications than you really need to at the same time this is of course not true the temporary swap file is purged every time you exit windows the permanent file is permanent and can only be changed by adjusting the virtual memory i suspect that either the original poster was tinkering and adjusted the swap file to 20mb and then forgot about it or somebody helped him mike lipsie work mlipsie ca merl com mitsubishi electronic research laboratory home mikel dosbears uucp when i first setup windows using the self load mode it grabbed about 20 megs of swap file space my 120 meg hd was nearly empty at that time i deleted windows for a time and recently reloaded now my hd is nearly full and windows just took 4 megs i have read somewhere that the best rule of thumb is have your permanent swap file the same size as your regular ram size i have 4 megs of ram and windows took 4 meg perm swap file works very well in fact with my available hd space about 20 megs it wont let me make the swap file any bigger you should change your virtual mem swap file to 8 megs i think that is what you said your ram was c ya artin this communication is sent by artin university of arizona tucson ak333 cleveland freenet edu mlinsenb ccit arizona edu mlinsenb arizvms death has been dead for about 2 000 years follow the king of kings windows required file format of word for ms window file doc hi i am trying to develop a utility to view word for window file but to do that i need to know the format of the doc word for window file format files can anybody tell me what is the format of doc file or direct me where can i get it or is it proprietory format your help is greatly appriciated thanks cars re jeep grand vs toyota 4 runner in article 1pq29p 29p seven up east sun com jfox hooksett east sun com writes any reason you are limited to the two mentioned they arent really at the same point along the suv spectrum not to mention price range how about the explorer trooper blazer montero and if the budget allows the land cruiser any advice on how to buy a land cruiser my local toyota dealer says they get two a year and if i want one i can just get on the waiting list forget about a test drive or even kicking the tires and if they are that rare i doubt there is much of a parts inventory on hand jonathan edwards edwards intranet com intranet inc 617 527 7020 medicine re cholistasis sp fat free diet pregnancy heart access digex com g writes hi ive just returned from a visit with my ob gyn and i have a few concerns that maybe yall can help me with ive been seeing her every 4 weeks for the past few months im at week 28 and during the last 2 visits ive gained 9 to 9 1 2 pounds every 4 weeks she said this was unacceptable over any 4 week period as it stands ive thus far gained 26 pounds also she says that though im at 28 weeks the babys size is 27 weeks i think she mentioned 27 inches for the top of the fundus when i was 13 weeks the babys size was 14 weeks i must also add that i had an operation a few years ago for endometriosis and ive had no problems with endometriosis but apparently it is causing me pain in my pelvic region during the pregnancy and i have a very difficult time moving and the doc has recommended i not walk or move unless i have to i have a little handicapped sticker for when i do need to go out anyway thats 1 2 of the situation the other is that almost from the beginning of pregnancy i was getting sick throwing up about 2 3 times a day and mostly it was bile that was being eliminated i told her about this i know this because i wasnt eating very much due to the nausea and could see the results well now i only get sick about once every 1 2 weeks and it is still bile related but in addition i had begun to feel movement near my upper right abdomen just below the right breast usually when i was lying on my right side it began to get worse though because it started to hurt when i lay on my right side and then it hurt no matter what position i was in next i noticed that when i ate greasy or fatty foods i felt like my entire abdomen had turned to stone and the pain in the area got worse however if i ate sauerkraut or vinegar or something to cut the fat it wasnt as much of a problem so the doctor says i have cholistatis and that i should avoid fatty foods this makes sense and because i was already aware of what seemed to me this cause and effect relationship i have been avoiding these foods on my own but im still able to eat foods with ricotta cheese for instance and other low fat foods but doc wants me to be on a non fat diet this means no meat except fish and chicken w o skin i do this anyway no nuts fried food cheese etc i am allowed skim milk she said i should avoid anything sweet e g bananas also i must only have one serving of something high in carbohydrates a day potatoes pasta rice she said i cant even cook vegetables in a little bit of oil and that i should eat vegetables raw or steamed im concerned because i understand you need to have some fat in your diet to help in the digestive process and if im not taking in fat is she expecting the baby will take it from my stores and why this restriction on carbohydrates if shes concerned about fat im not clear how much of her recommendation is based on my weight gain and how much on cholistatis which i cant seem to find any information on she originally said that i should only gain 20 pounds during the entire pregnancy since i was about 20 lbs overweight when i started but my sister gained 60 lbs during her pregnancy and shes taken it all off and hasnt had any problems she also asked if any members of my family were obese which none of them are anyway i think she is overly concerned about weight gain and feel like im being punished by a severe diet she did want to see me again in one week so i think she the diet may be temporary for that one week what i want to know is how reasonable is this non fat diet i would understand if she had said low fat diet since im trying that anyway even if she said really low fat diet i think she assumes i must be eating a high fat diet but really it is that because of the endometriosis and the operation im not able to use the energy from the food i do eat any opinions info and experiences will be appreciated im truly going stark raving mad trying to meet this new strict diet because fruits and vegetables go through my system in a few minutes and ill end up having to eat constantly thus far i dont find any foods satisfying thanks g for one week she probably wants to see how you react to the diet if it changes anything you can live on the diet but you need to up your calories where before you had a pat of butter now you need a medium apple probably microwave cooked smaller meals but more of them not terrific amounts of meat its hard to digest anyway for comfort and to make the carbohydrate meal last longer eat pasta or rice which give their calories up slowly rather than bread or corn maybe smaller meals as you may be getting less room in the stomach area is the baby still coming up is it starting to push or rub under your ribs how tight are your clothes you shouldnt be wearing any clothing that compresses your middle be sure not to suck in your stomach when sitting again it will put pressure on the digestive tract try laying on your sides back and stay in reclining positions for the many hours you are being inactive easier on your legs circulation as well you might try letting the baby turn or at least not be forced under the ribs during the last months when you are shortwaisted its easy for that baby to end up right under the diaphram especially if you have tight abdominal muscles if i had my second one to do over again i think id have tried to loosen up since he didnt turn sideways until late and the relief was enormous maybe this doctor does have a thing about weight gain in pregnancy or maybe she just nags all her patients this way especially if shes young but this gallbladder whatever problem that might be coming up is something to be avoided if possible nausea etc can vary from person to person and with each pregnancy my first pregnancy was miserable during the second i had very little trouble some articles have said that women with nausea had a statistically better chance of carrying their baby grain of salt here good luck jackie medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in c5nfdg 8en sdf lonestar org marco sdf lonestar org steve giammarco writes and to add further fuel to the flame war i read about 20 years ago that the natural msg extracted from the sources you mention above does not cause the reported aftereffects its only that nasty artificial msg extracted from coal tar or whatever that causes chinese restaurant syndrome i find this pretty hard to believe has anyone else heard it msg is mono sodium glutamate a fairly straight forward compound if it is pure the source should not be a problem your comment suggests that impurities may be the cause my experience of msg effects as part of a double blind study was that the pure stuff caused me some rather severe effects i was under the possibly incorrect assumption that most of the msg on our foods was made from processing sugar beets is this not true are there other sources of msg soya bean fermented cheeses mushrooms all contain msg i am one of those folx who react sometimes strongly to msg however i also react strongly to sodium chloride table salt in excess each causes different symptoms except for the common one of rapid heartbeat and an uncomfortable feeling of pressure in my chest upper left quadrant the symptoms i had were numbness of jaw muscles in the first instance followed by the arms then the legs headache lethargy and unable to keep awake i think it may well affect people differently baseball re bases loaded walk gives reds win in 12 in article 1993apr23 194053 9087 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article mssc5y5u0 4dn netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes my supposition is that if we were to find the same players consistently year after year at one end of the bell or the other then we might be able to make some reasonable conclusions about those players as opposed to all baseball players this may be the root of the confusion please consider the following hypothetical with an open mind note that i am not yet saying that it has anything to do with the question at hand suppose we have a simplified lotto game detailed explanation deleted indeed you have struck right at the heart of our disagreement to rebut my opinion you have made an analogy with a game of chance your hypothesis assumes that the lotto players have no impact on the selection of the numbers and hence their ability to win well thats certainly true in lotto but it has absolutely nothing to do with the sport of baseball when you start down the wrong path you finish down the wrong path i repeat i do not think that statistical analysis of prior clutch hitting performance is an accurate predictor of future clutch hitting performance i do however think that analysis of prior clutch hitting performance may for some players indicate a deficiency in their game that indeed will provide a basis for projecting their particular future performance and i think chris sabo is such a player the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com religion re merlin mithras and magick kosinski us oracle com kevin osinski writes i recall reading in michael rutherfords novel sarum a scene in which the son of a roman nobleman living in britain takes part in a secret ceremony involving a bull he stands naked in a pit covered with some sort of scaffolding while assistants coax a bull to stand on the scaffolding they then fatally stab the bull which douses the worshipper in the pit with blood this is supposedly some sort of rite of passage for members of the bull cult i wonder if this is related to the mithras cult i dont know where rutherford got his information for this chapter the book is historical fiction and most of the general events which take place are largely based on historical accounts there is a rite like this described in joseph campbells occidental mythology he also described levels of initiation i think 6 i dont know where campbell got his info but i remember thinking he was being a little eclectic i also wonder what if any connection there is between the ancient bull cults and the current practice of bullfighting popular in some mediterranean cultures quite a bit if you havent read campbell give him a try larry caldwell caldwell ohsu edu compuserve 72210 2273 oregon health sciences university 503 494 2232 guns re proper gun control what is proper gun cont in article c5jgz5 34j ssd intel com hays ssd intel com kirk hays writes id like to point out that i was in error terminator began posting only six months before he purchased his first firearm according to private email from him i cant produce an archived posting of his earlier than january 1992 and he purchased his first firearm in march 1992 i guess it only seemed like years kirk hays nra life seventh generation i first read and consulted rec guns in the summer of 1991 i just purchased my first firearm in early march of this year not for lack of desire for a firearm you understand i could have purchased a rifle or shotgun but didnt want one case kim religion re davidians and compassion in article sandvik 190493200420 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes so we have this highly christian religious order that put fire on their house killing most of the people inside i would hardly consider the bds to be christian they were acting in direct contradiction to scripture jesus second coming is something that everyone will know of jesus also predicted that there will be false messiahs who will use his name his prophecy has been fulfilled im not that annoyed about the adults they knew supposedly what they were doing and its their own actions what i mostly are angry about is the fact that the people inside including mothers let the children suffer and die during awful conditions i agree with you there if this is considered religious following to the end im proud that i dont follow such fanatical and non compassionate religions me too i have already given my life to god if god tells me to lay down my life it will be to save another life you might want to die for whatever purpose but please spare the innocent young ones that has nothing to do with this all i have a hard time just now understanding that christianity knows about the word compassion christians do you think the actions today would produce a good picture of your religion do you judge all christians by the acts of those who would call themselves christian and yet are not the bds contradicted scripture in their actions they were not christian simple as that perhaps you have read too much into what the media has portrayed ask any true believing christian and you will find that they will deny any association with the bds even the 7th day adventists have denied any further ties with this cult which was what they were do you judge all muslims by the acts committed by saddam hussein a supposedly devout muslim i dont saddam is just a dictator using the religious beliefs of his people to further his own ends god be with you malcolm lee kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net cars re slick 50 any good hmmm i was listening to the local radio expert who is amazingly enough an honest to god expert tm its amazing what he knows and he said that based on his conversations with the inventor of slick50 who is no longer with the comapny due to some kind of conflict he avoids it like the plague he does recommend other teflon based type oil additives though james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven windows 15 bit rgb i am working with 24 bit rgb bmp files and need to comvert these to 15 and 16 bit images how do convert 24 bit images to 15 and 16 bit rgb images thanks guns women with guns on cbs catch tonights thursdays cbs street stories covers among others the work of aware arming women against rape and endangerment a womens empowerment and training group in massachusetts theyll be interviewing spokesperson nancy bittle as well as some of her students assuming all of the interesting stuff they taped makes the final cut if they show the ugly housebreaker in the toque and sunglasses wave hi cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1993apr26 103242 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes are in a different class the big question seems to be is it reasonable to use them in patients with gi distress or sinus problems that could be due to candida blooms following the use of broad spectrum antibiotics i guess im still not clear on what the term candida bloom means but certainly it is well known that thrush superficial candidal infections on mucous membranes can occur after antibiotic use this has nothing to do with systemic yeast syndrome the quack diagnosis that has been being discussed found in the sinus mucus membranes than is candida women have been known for a very long time to suffer from candida blooms in the vagina and a women is lucky to find a physician who is willing to treat the cause and not give give her advise to use the otc anti fungal creams lucky how since a recent article randomized controlled trial of oral yogurt on reducing vaginal candidiasis ive mentioned to a number of patients with frequent vaginal yeast infections that they could try eating 6 ounces of yogurt daily it turns out most would rather just use anti fungal creams when they get yeast infections yogurt dangerous if this were a standard part of medical practice as gordon r says it is then the incidence of gi distress and vaginal yeast infections should decline again this just isnt what the systemic yeast syndrome is about and has nothing to do with the quack therapies that were being discussed there is some evidence that attempts to reinoculate the gi tract with bacteria after antibiotic therapy dont seem to be very helpful in reducing diarrhea but i dont think anyone would view this as a quack therapy david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu .. medicine re nose picking i dont know if it causes the body any harm but in the 23 years ive been teaching nine and ten years olds ive never had one fall over from eating boogers which many kids do on a regular basis when they think no one is looking cars curious about you please satisfy my curiosity im interested in finding out who is using the e mail system please do not flood me with mail after april 21st thanks maria alice ruth mao111 psuvm bitnet or psuvm psu edu 1 are you male or female 2 how long have you been using the e mail system 3 how do you have access at work at school etc 4 who taught you how to use the system is that person male or female 5 have you helped anyone to learn the system was that person s male or female 6 which net did you find my questions on 7 which other nets are you interested in 8 how often do you read post to the system windows telemate windows 3 1 help i have a very funny yet confusing problem i am using telemate within win 3 1 everytime i close dos box my telemate operation get affected normally i am doing file transfer however if i open close windows program everything seems running smoothly my file transfer operation get affected only if i close dos box can somebody please gimme some pointers on what is going on and how to fix it thanks in advance glenn jayaputera windows re atm in article 1r1jq4 af5 network ucsd edu adean weber ucsd edu anthony v dean writes ive been reading with much confusion about whether or not to use atmanager lately all the packages ive been buying have all included atmanager as a bonus adobe has been doing this for years i do some desktop publishing using pagemaker and coreldraw coreldraw comes with a nifty laser disk that contains over 200 diff types add that to the ttfonts that come with win31 and you have a decent amount of fonts i print my creations out on an hp4 postcript at 600 dpi resolution with the resolution enhancement technology and well i get some darn good copies so good that there isnt any diff whether or not atmanager is turned on or not is it worth it to run atm at all especially with these better printer technologies and tt there are some fonts that are only available as ps fonts if you have a ps font that you want to use use atm otherwise it is a waste of system resources personally i use both mike lipsie work mlipsie ca merl com mitsubishi electronic research laboratory home mikel dosbears uucp baseball re jack morris did anyone happen to see peter gammons on espn last night he addressed this exact issue and dismissed it rather quickly according to gammons advanced scouts are reporting that morris fastball and slider still have the same zip and that his problems this year are due to his sudden inability to keep the ball hidden during his release guzman and stottlemyre have gone through similar stretches that have been cleared up succinctly by a little work with the pitching coach gammons looks to see morris back in top form within the month i on the other hand still have my doubts morris era last year was rather high for a pitcher who won 20 games his showing in the series was not surprising although im not convinced that hes washed up i have my doubts as to whether or not he can ever regain the form he had for the twins in 91 brian klaff cars re honda clutch chatter i also experience this kinda problem in my 89 bmw 318 during cold start ups the clutch seems to be sticky and everytime i drive out for about 5km the clutch seems to stick onto somewhere that if i depress the clutch the whole chassis moves along but after preheating it becomes smooth again i think that your suggestion of being some humudity is right but there should be some remedy i also found out that my clutch is already thin but still alright for a couple grand more medicine re use of haldol in elderly ive seen people in their forties and fifties become disoriented and demented during hospital stays in the examples ive seen drugs were definitely involved my own father turned into a vegetable for a short time while in the hospital he was fifty three at the time and he was on 21 separate medications the family protested but the doctors were adamant telling us that none of the drugs interact they even took the attitude that if he was disoriented they should put him on something else as well with the help of an md friend of the family we had all his medication discontinued he had a seizure that night and was put back on one drug two days later he was his old self again i guess there arent many medical texts that address the subject of 21 way interactions i dont mean this as a cheap shot at the medical profession it is an aspect of hospitals that is very frightening to me docs seem to believe that because they have close control of you its quite all right to take your bodily equilibria into their own hands that control reduces the chance that the patient will make a mistake but health care providers can make mistakes too and mistakes can be deadly under those circumstances i grant you that sometimes theres no choice nevertheless i suggest you procure a list of the drugs your grandmother is getting and discuss it with an independent doc her problems may not be the effect of haldol at all haldol may have been used validly or it may have been prescribed because other medication confused her and because the hospital normally prescribes haldol for the confused elderly just my opinion larry obviously not a doc c guns re photographers removed from compound in article c5vf59 83q news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes two news photographers were found on the compound earlier this morning without permission it was explained to the press corps that this is dangerous and that an unknown photographer turning around with a long lens camera could be mistaken for someone dangerous by a texas ranger surveying the site in other words nice camera you got dere it would be a shame if sometin wuz ta happen to it the two photographers were said to be currently in jail it was also emphasized that the survey of the crime scene at this point was crucial and that the press could not be allowed to interfere the press will not be allowed in until the bodies are removed and the site has been completely surveyed for evidence for a court case my opinions i find this disturbing good keep thinking critically while i believe that koresh is largely responsible for not ending this standoff in a peacable manner during the last 51 days of patient opportunity i find the secrecy surrounding the aftermath more damaging to the authorities position than they realize what if the secrecy is actually less damaging than the alternative i am basing my opinions on info gathered from various media and filtered by my own common sense and consideration of plausibility imho as such my opinion is subject to change as more information is made available please also note that i by no means endorse or agree with the many conspiracy type theories i have read here and in other groups make your own bite size pieces well wait cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars re options that would be great to have in a previous article parr acs ucalgary ca charles parr says a list of options that would be useful they can be existing options on a car or things youd like to have 1 tripmeter great little gadget lets you keep rough track of mileage makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge 2 full size spare 3 built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors 4 a fitting that allows you to generate household current with the engine running and plug ins in the trunk engine compartment and cabin feel free to add on 5 power windows dod 650 darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion religion fragmentation the primary problem in human nature is a fragmentation of being humans are in a state of tension a tension of opposites good and evil are the most thought provoking polarities that come to mind the bible provides us with many examples of the fragmentation of being the warring opposites within us are a product of mans rebellion against god which is described so vividly in the pages of the scriptures man was created with the order to become a god those were the words of st basil in the fourth century what he was trying to say was that god created man to be a partaker of the divine nature in the eastern orthodox church this is called theosis or deification one can also say that man was created to be whole i e spirit soul and body operating in unison the story of adam and eve is a picture of the archetypal humans before obtaining moral consciousness theirs was a harmonious relationship with each other the world and the creator that innocent harmony was shattered when they disobeyed god their natural wholeness falling apart into two seemingly irreconcilable halves immediately guilt and fear was manifested in their lives they become bound to hardship toil and suffering this is symbolized in their exile from the paradisiac state the beast in the jungle does not possess moral consciousness if it were to receive this self awareness the knowledge of good and evil its paradisiac state would also be destroyed was it the intention of the creator to leave man in this state of innocence all the days of his existence on earth or was the gaining of self awareness carefully staged by god who did not desire that his masterpiece mankind be a blissful idiot god must have known that for mankind to achieve any kind of moral value he must pass through a confrontation with the opposites there is no other way to achieve union with god jesus christ is the answer to the problem of the warring polarities he was the perfectly integrated individual reconciling the opposites and making it possible for us to be integrated i e to become god not in his essence but in his energies the opposites is the christian problem the apostle paul describes it with the utmost precision in romans 7 15 24 and he follows with the answer to his dilemma in vs 25 mark guns crimestrike alert for texas fellow texans and members of crime strike in texas crime strike in texas has a loosely knit coalition with most victims rights groups in texas we ask that you write a letter protesting the release of the following murderer this letter should be written to raven kazen victims services board of pardons and paroles p o box 13401 capital station austin texas 78711 the letter should be written if at all possible on red paper as that was agreed on at one of our first meetings it represents the coalition and all of its parts as well as the heart ache of those left behind and the blood spilled by these criminals the letter should have only one name on it so it can be filed in the folder of that criminal waiting for his next try at parole list of criminals today we have only one parole to protest on october 4 1990 mark steven hughes rendered numerous blows to the head of james allen pompa ten month old james went into a coma and died two days later on july 8 1992 mark steven hughes pled guilty to injury to a child and received a ten year sentence according to texas law mark became eligible for parole on january 4 1992 six months before he was even sentenced would you join us in strongly protesting the release from prison of mark steven hughes who beat a baby to death mark steven hughes beat to death the baby boy of russel pompa reference mark steven hughes tdc 633546 mark your envelope protest letter on the front and back a typical letter is indicated on the next page thank you very much irvin wilson volunteer crime strike texas date april 13 1993 raven kazen victims services board of pardons and paroles p o box 13401 capital station austin texas 78711 i protest the parole of mark steven hughes tdc 633546 who murdered james son of russel pompa he should be kept in prison for his full sentence and not be released at any time prior to his full sentence for any reason irvin wilson houston texas larry cipriani l v cipriani att com medicine re jiggers in article 1ppae1 bt0 bigboote wpi edu susan wpi wpi edu susan writes a friend of mine has a very severe cause of jiggers for over a year now they cause him a lot of pain i recently read i dont know where about a possible cure for jiggers does anyone have any information on this i cant remember the name of the treatment or where i read it ill probably get flamed for this but when i was a kid we would go to my uncles cabin on middle bass island on lake erie we always came home with a nasty case of jiggers large red bumps where the buggers had burrowed into the skin my mother would paint the bumps with clear finger nail polish this was repeated daily for about a week or so the application of the polish is supposed to suffocate them as it seals of the skin all i can say is it worked for us one word of caution though putting finger nail polish on a jigger bite stings like hell if i do get flamed for this just put jam in my pockets and call me toast kentcomm jperkski aldhfn akron oh us and kentcomm jperkski legend akron oh us medicine lithium questions doctor wants my 10 year old on it hi sci med folks i would like to know anything you folks can tell me regarding lithium i have a 10 year old son that lives with my ex wife she has been having difficulty with his behavior and has had him on ritalin tofranil and now wants to try lithuim at the local doctors suggestion i would like to know whatever is important that i should know i worry about this sort of thing and would like pros cons regarding lithium therapy i have a booklet from the lithium information center based at the university of wisconsin but feel that it is pro lithium and would be interested in comments from the not necessarily pro side of the fence i am a concerned father and just wish to be well informed thanks for any information you can provide please email me directly george a perkins systems engineer sun microsystems computer corporation 6200 courtney campbell causeway suite 840 tampa fl 33607 phone 813 289 7228 fax 813 281 0219 email george perkins east sun com baseball re scott erickson in article 12718 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes path news1 cis umn edu umn edu news feed 1 peachnet edu gatech concert duke news duke edu bchm biochem duke edu from fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush newsgroups rec sport baseball subject scott erickson message id 12718 news duke edu date 5 apr 93 18 21 18 gmt sender news news duke edu organization biochemistry lines 13 nntp posting host bruchner biochem duke edu usa today reports that he may be going on the dl arm pains of an unspecified nature further news would be appreciated eric roush fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu i am a marxist of the groucho sort grafitti paris 1968 tanstaafl although the internet comes close erickson did go on the 15 day dl with a pulled muscle in his left side near rib cage he is on until 4 18 93 no news as to who the twins will bring up kevin hansen mn twin family study university of minnesota 612 626 7224 khansen staff tc umn edu contact university of minnesota womens basketball theory guides experiment decides izaak m kolthoff cars 72 chevelle ss forsale i dont want to sell this car but i need money for college 1972 chevelle super sport rebuilt 402 four speed 12 bolt positrac numbers match 110 000 original miles no rust looks and runs excellent 5995 or best offer call dennis at 503 343 3759 or email dennisk cs uoregon edu windows hp laser jet 4l and windows has anybody had a chance to find out how the new hp laser jet 4l behaves with windows daniel royer medicine need advice with doctor patient relationship problem i need advice with a situation which occurred between me and a physican which upset me i saw this doctor for a problem with recurring pain he suggested medication and a course of treatment and told me that i need to call him 7 days after i begin the medication so that he may monitor its effectiveness as well as my general health i did exactly as he asked and made the call reaching his secretary i explained to her that i was following up at the doctors request and that i was worried because the pain episodes were becoming more frequent and the medication did not seem effective the doctor called me back and his first words were whatever you want youd better make it quick im very busy and dont have time to chit chat with you i told him i was simply following his instructions to call on the 7th day to status him and that i was feeling worse i then asked if perhaps there was a better time for us to talk when he had more time he responded just spit it out now because no time is a good time said in a raised voice i started to feel upset and tried to explain quickly what was going on with my condition but my nervousness interfered with my choice of words and i kind of stuttered and then said well never mind and he said hell talk to various colleagues about other medications and hell call me some other time this doctor called me that evening and said because i didnt express myself well he was confused about what i wanted at this point i was pretty upset and i told him in an amazingly polite voice considering how angry i felt that his earlier manner had hurt my feelings he told me that he just doesnt have time to rap with patients and thought that was what i wanted i told him that to assume i was calling to rap was insulting and said again that i was just following through on his orders he responded that he resented the implication that he felt i was making that he was not interested in learning about what his patients have to say about their condition status he then gave me this apology i am sorry that there was a miscommunication and you mistakenly thought i was insulting i am not trying to insult you but i am not that knowledgeable about pain and i dont have a lot of time to deal with that he then told me to call him the next day for further instructions on how do deal with my pain and medication i am still upset and have not yet called my questions 1 should i continue to have this doctor manage my care 2 since i am in pain off and on i realize that this may cause me to be more anxietous so am i perhaps over reacting or overly sensitive if this doctor refers me to his colleague who knows more about the type of pain i have he still wants me to status him on my condition but now i am afraid to call him marlena medicine seizure information infant here is the tollfree hotline for the epilepsy foundation of america 1 800 efa 1000 they will be able to answer your questions and send you information and references on seizure types medication etc they can also give you references for a pediatric neorologist in your area also ask for the number of your local foundation who can put you in touch with a parent support group and social workers good luck cars ford probe import car of the year okay okay i know the ford probe is made in the us in fact its made in michigan at a mazda plant my question are most of the parts from american or japanese sources i have been told that most of the us assembly plants for japanese automakers import almost all of the parts used in the vehicles any information anyone has on this will be appreciated tim newman newman cps msu edu religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed nelson p apollo hp com peter nelson writes nut or not he was clearly a liar he said he would surrender after local radio stations broadcast his message but he didnt then he said he would surrender after passover but he didnt the fbi said he would surrender we dont know what he said windows looking for organizer looking for organizer program for windows currently have lotus organizer not bad but looking for better should have a calender scheduler should have a to do list nice additions address phone book diary please any suggestions shareware public or copyrighted please email sthong eniac seas upenn edu steven hong email address sthong eniac seas upenn edu university of pennsylvania engineering class of 1996 baseball re detroit tigers in article 1qt1f3 o7o msuinfo cl msu edu vergolin euler lbs msu edu david vergolini writes the roar at michigan and trumbull should be loader than ever this year with mike illitch at the head and ernie harwell back at the booth the tiger bats will bang this summer already they have scored 20 runs in two games and with fielder tettleton and deer i think they can win the division no pitching bull gully moore wells and krueger make up a decent staff that will keep the team into many games then there is henneman to close it out watch out boston toronto and baltimore the motor city kittys are back nice woofing or should i say meowing and yes the tiggers are a fun exciting team that i would pay to see but last year they went 75 87 this year their offense is essentially the same and their pitching is at best essentially the same so why do you think they will suddenly improve to win the 92 or so games which will be required to win the a l east what has changed that i dont see remember a 20 4 win is worth as much in the standings as a 3 2 win charles windows re can i change licensed to data in windows 3 1 in 1993apr15 180633 3437 trintex uucp charles tinman dev prodigy com writes have you tried re installing the software otherwise i would be dubious about simple ways to change that screen is it not designed to be an embarassment to would be pirates so when is prodigy going to open the doors for inetgate to accept internet mail eh obviously if you can post news mail should go through as well carlos dominguez sysadmin kibbitzer carlos carlos jpr com carlos carlos uucp carlos carlos bang religion re rosicrucian order s in article 1qvibv b75 usenet ins cwru edu ch981 cleveland freenet edu tony alicea writes in a previous article cdcolvin rahul net christopher d colvin says i worked at amorc when i was in hs ok so you were a naive teen he hs lewis dates back to the 20s wrong 1915 and if you do your homework 1909 but he was born last century 1883 right now amorc is embroiled in some internal political turmoil no it isnt i guess the san jose mercury news is wrong then and if so why is the da involved christopher d colvin cdcolvin rahul net baseball re game length was re braves update in article 1993apr20 085508 5787 wvnvms wvnet edu nflynn wvnvms wvnet edu writes i agree that hirschbeck was just doing what he was instructed to do and also that gant should have listened to him however what is with this policy of trying to speed up the games you are the first person non mediot i have seen endorse this policy i wholeheartedly endorse it i have no problem with the length of games at all and am tired of the espn crowd and other announcers bitching about it i have never been in a ballpark filled with people looking at their watches and shouting hurry up if i cough up big bucks for a ticket i dont mind a game that last more than 2 10 i really dont understand it havent been to many as games have you seriously i dont mind a baseball game that lasts a long time if it lasts a long time because there is good baseball being played however i dont like 3 2 games that take 3 hours because theres a lot of dead time going on in that game i dont find anything exciting about watching batter or pitcher wander around between pitches or watching the catcher make a slow walk to the mound or watching lots of pitcher changes for no good reason whitey herzog used to be the master of this the game could be way out of reach and hed still be making switches for platoon advantage i want to see the game not people standing around i dont really enjoy watching nfl football games in person for example because theres so much dead time you dont really notice how much dead time there is if you watch it on television because theyre busy showing you replays i dont like that college basketball games have so many time outs at the end of the game the ncaa has made some moves to try to alleviate this problem for next year theyre going to stop the clock after made baskets late in games next year and theyre going to a 35 second clock theres also a difference in how tolerant i am of long games if im watching them on the tube and if im going there in person for me going to an as game has become a major commitment of time one that im not willing to make that often the length of their games is costing the as revenue from me sherri nichols snichols adobe com cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr15 135514 29579 cbnewsj cb att com rdb1 cbnewsj cb att com ronald j deblock jr writes you can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in place of the bolt i have one on both of my cars there have been no leaks in 210 000 miles combined miles on both cars yes but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot all they have to do is reach underneath turn a valve and forget the trip home but there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them i personally recommend installing a special locking drain plug to keep vandals away steve religion re judas crucifixion tyre etc frank decenso but how its evident from the texts in ezek 26 28 that god isnt concerned about buildings or structures god is concerned about people the people and leadership ezek 28 never did return as a city others may have come later and built a city but the people and leadership that god prophesied about in ezek 26 28 were never rebuilt as a city of people and leaders how incredibly fucking stupid of course the text is referring to the city itself buildings bricks mortar etc otherwise it makes no sense to refer to the future of tyre as being reduced to nothing but a place to spread fishing nets is there any twisting of text or semantic game that you wont do to preserve your faith from admission of error decenso religion a treatise on the miracles of muhammad part 3 droplet vol 1 no 11 part 3 d r o p l e t from the vast ocean of the miraculous quran translations from the arabic and turkish writings of bediuzzaman said nursi the risale i noor vol 1 no 11 part 3 nineteenth letter mujizat i ahmediye risalesi a treatise on the miracles of muhammed saw part 3 continued from droplet vol 1 no 11 part 2 third sign the miracles of muhammad saw are extremely varied because his messengership is universal he has been distinguished by miracles that relate to almost all species of creation just as the supreme aide of a renowned ruler arriving with many gifts in a city where various people live will be welcomed by a representative of each people who acclaims him and bids him welcome in his own language so too when the supreme messenger of the monarch of pre and post eternity ezel and ebed sultani honored the universe by coming as an envoy to the inhabitants of the earth and brought with him the light of truth and spiritual gifts sent by the creator of the universe and derived from the realities of the whole universe each species of creation from water rocks trees animals and human beings to the moon sun and stars welcomed him and acclaimed his prophethood each in its own language and each bearing one of his miracles now it would require a voluminous work to mention all his miracles as the punctilious scholars have written many volumes concerning the proofs of his prophethood here we will briefly point out only the general category into which fall fhe miracles that are definite and accepted as accurate reports the evidences of the prophethood of muhammad saw fall into two main categories the first is called irhasat and includes the paranormal events that happened at the time of his birth or before his declaration of prophethood the second group pertains to all the remaining evidences of the prophethood and contains two subdivisions 1 those wonders that were manifested after his departure from this world in order to confirm his prophethood and 2 those that he exhibited during the era of his prophethood the latter has also two parts 2 1 the evidences of his prophethood that became manifest in his own personality his inner and outer being his moral conduct and perfection and 2 2 the miracles that related to substantial matters the last part again has two branches 2 2 1 those concerning the quran and spirituality and 2 2 2 those relating to matter and creation this last branch is again divided into two categories 2 2 2 1 the first involves the paranormal happenings that occured during his mission either to break the stubbornness of the unbelievers or to augment the faith of the belivers this category has twenty different sorts such as the splitting of the moon the flowing of water from the fingers the satisfying of large numbers with a little food and the speaking of trees rocks and animals each of these sons has also many instances and thus has in meaning the strength of confirmation by consensus 2 2 2 2 as for the second category this includes events lying in the future that occured as he had predicted upon allah swt s instructions now starting from the last category we will summarize a list of them 1 1 unfonunately i could not write as i had intended without choice i wrote as my head dictated and i could not completely conform to the order of this classification to be continued allah willing irfan alan a servant of islam windows re moving icons in article 1bp0rahpbh107h viamar uucp rutgers viamar kmembry writes i remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away from the mouse as it moved near them does anyone know the name of this program and the ftp location probably at cica the file is frite20 zip and youll find it in the icons directory at cica the one line description is afflict your icons with cursorphobia o paul blackman pwb science canberra edu au o water research centre pwb aerg canberra edu au o faculty of applied science o university of canberra australia spend a little love and get high lenny kravitz windows re dos font size in windows s alavi ssa unity ncsu edu wrote i have an 8514 a card and i am using windows in 1024x768 mode normal 8514 a font not small in the 386 enhanced mode the dos window font is too small for my 14 monitor is there a way to spacify the font size for the dos window youll have to excuse me if there is a trivial answer since i am fairly new to ms windows world thanks please include this message for reference s alavi ssa unity ncsu edu 919 467 7909 h 919 515 8063 w as i can recall you can click on the upper left button of dos window then choose font to change also there is a demo window to show you in advance how the font you choose will affect the size of dos window make a try religion re the list of biblical contradictions hudson athena cs uga edu paul hudson jr writes bskendig netcom com brian kendig writes specifically when i bring up the fact that genesis contains two contradictory creation stories i usually get blank stares or flat denials ive never had a fundamentalist acknowledge that there are indeed two different accounts of creation that is because two creation stories is one of the worst examples of a difficulty with the bible were formed can also be translated had been formed in chapter two without any problems so the text does not demand that there are two creation stories really i dont get it genesis first says that god created the earth then the animals then humans then it turns around and says that humans were created before animals how can you escape this contradiction brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau religion re a kind and loving god in article sandvik 150493181533 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes in article 1993apr15 200231 10206 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote these laws written for the israelites remember these laws were written for a different time and applied only to gods chosen people but jesus has changed all of that we are living in the age of grace sin is no longer immediately punishable by death there is repentance and there is salvation through our lord jesus christ and not just for a few chosen people salvation is available to everyone jew and gentile alike jews wont agree with you malcolm which jews ks ex as a people as a language religiously politically or do you mean those jews who are gods chosen and malcolm please if you will set your word wrap at 75 or less to avoid clutter j stephen baseball re jim lefebvre is an idiot in article c51uc6 bl1 news cso uiuc edu ada41546 uxa cso uiuc edu driftwood writes i totally agree with each point you made jose viscaino looked like a single a hitter up there who swings on 3 1 count with maddux pitching and your teams down by a run and you havent touched the ball all day i also think too much is made of that lefty righty thing watching the cubs games i get the feeling steve stone knows a lot more about what the cubs should be doing than lefebre does harry said it best when he stated after another terrible vizcaino at bat we cant wait til sandberg returns i tell you steve stone is like a prophet he must be making a ton in the boradcoast booth because i cant understand why hes not actually back in the game itself the other day he called sosas homerun against the sox and claimed the game would be going into extra innings when the score was 8 3 in the 5th so yesterday he notices that sosas ahead in the count against maddux and says this is a fastball situation and sosa will be looking for it but this is also the spot where maddux throws the straight change sure enough sosa gets ahead on it and pops it up to the infield stoney for cubs manager rick medicine french to english translation of medical terms dear netters i am not sure whether this is the right place to post my query but i thought there may be some bilingual physicians in this newsgroup that could help please excuse me for overloading the bandwidth i am trying to build a resource allocation program for managing a surgical operating unit in a hospital the user interface is in english however the terms of medical specialties i was given are in french i have no medical dictionary handy mine is a technical university i need to get the translation into english when there is one of the following words they refer to medical categories of operating rooms theaters i admit they may not be universally used 1 sceptique 2 orl 3 brulure brule 4 neonatal 5 prenatal 6 premature 7 neurochirurgie neuro surgery 8 chirurgie generale 9 chirurgie plastique 10 urologie urology thank you for you help cheers berthe y choueiry choueiry lia di epfl ch lia di ecole polytechnique federale de lausanne ecublens ch 1015 lausanne switzerland voice 41 21 693 52 77 and 41 21 693 66 78 fax 41 21 693 52 25 ps please reply by e mail if possible since i scan too quickly through the messages of this newsgroup guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 1993apr15 184452 27322 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman says in article 93104 231049u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu all your points are very well taken and things that i havent considered as i am not really familiar enough with handguns thats not all that kratz doesnt know hell a glock is the last thing that should be switched to the only thing that i know about a glock is the lack of a real safety on it sure there is that little thing in the trigger but that isnt too great of a safety now we know that kratz doesnt understand what a safety is supposed to do he also confuses things he can see with things that exist glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the outside excuse me but i do know what i safety is supposed to do its basic purpose not to let the gun fire until youre ready christ ive known that since i had my first crosman air gun you dont know me so dont make assumptions about what i know and dont know i do know that the glock has multiple safties from reports looking at them at a gun shop and friends who own one a safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off unless thats what the user wants with glocks one says i want the gun to go off by pulling the trigger if the safeties it has make that work it has a real safety no matter what kratz thinks andy from the things i have read heard glocks are always knocked because of the trigger safety they are supposedly harder to learn to use properly every article that i have read cant be wrong about the damn thing and dont ask me to quote my sources because i dont keep a ton of gun magazines and or rec guns articles laying around boy you cant make a simple statement on here without someone getting right on your ass no wonder why there are so many problems in the world everyone takes everything just a little too seriously by the way im not going to reply to any of this stuff anymore as someone made the good point that this discussion is getting too close to r g and yes i know that i had something to do with that jason cars re mbenz 300 series vw passat jcorry erasure sl cc emory edu jeremy corry writes new 300 series mercedes benz wagon particularly i would like to hear about power manual t only any comparisons between the saab 9000 line and the mercedes would be helpful if a manual transmission is a must have then the m b 300te is not in the running you cannot get a manual transmission in that car in north america it seems that buyers here or maybe more accurately the distributors are not interested in manual trannies the 93 300 line comes with a 217 hp engine all earlier years are 177 hp i have an 87 300e with a mere 177 hp and auto tranny and i find that it has sufficient power for any normal driving situation more is always nice but i cant complain i test drove a saab 900 cse last fall here are my impressions 1 awesome power especially over 3500rpm when the turbo really comes on 2 if you get on the power really hard in a tight corner the front wheel drive causes it to understeer heavily and then viciously hook into the corner not a desirable handling trait but common in powerful front drive cars the cse is 200hp mercedes is rear drive so it does not have this problem 3 huge interior and cargo space 4 the most rubbery shifter i have ever encountered i drove a 5spd it was absolutely numb you might be able to get used to it i dont know i also didnt like its location which was too far down and too far right from the shifters position i got the impression that saab really designed the car for an automatic 5 it was rather noisy engine buzz rattles and creaks mercedes does not exhibit these characteristics you should also check out the new bmw 525 touring this is a wagon version of the 525i it fits into the class with the 300te and saabs michael chmilar chmilar apple com windows gatewaying microsoft mail workgroups via 9600 modem our student association runs a small novell network which has a subnetwork of windows for workgroups and microsoft mail the director of finance en electrical engineering student would like to gateway this system either via slip or not into the universitys network and thus the internet at the very least to exchange e mail but possibly also to do ftps etc for now this would be done via a 9600 bps modem he would like to set it up so that it would periodically call in to check mail but would otherwise connect whenever needed what is the best way to do this gatewaying software is available but what works best please reply to me dkmiller unixg ubc ca or the d of f dleung ee ubc ca with a cc to the other i dont read all of these groups regularly so mail is best if this is a common question please pot me to a faq or ftp site derek k miller dkmiller unixg ubc ca researcher alma mater society thegrodd tz ucs sfu ca university of british columbia canada room 230b 6138 sub blvd vancouver b c v6t 1z1 campus mail zone 1 phone 604 822 6868 fax 604 822 9019 cars dumb options list the idea here is to list pointless options you know stuff you get on a car that has no earthly use 1 power windows add as you wish regards charles within the span of the last few weeks i have heard elements of separate threads which in that they have been conjoined in time struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd unknown net person baseball music censorship survey please fill out hello im doing a paper on censorship in music and i would appreciate it if you took the time to participate in this survey please answer as each question asks why simply means that you have room to explain your answer if you chose the last question is for any comments questions or suggestions thank you in advance please e mail to the address at the end i are you male female ii what is your age iii what is your major occupation iv what type of music do you listen to check all that apply a hard rock b metal c alternative d blues e rap f jazz g soft rock h easy listening i country j classical k hard core l dance m new age n others did i miss any 1 do you think recordings with objectionable or offensive lyrics be labeled yes no why 2 do you think certain recordings should be banned from minors under 18 years of age yes no why 3 do you think certain recordings should be banned period yes no why 4 if yes to any of the above who should decide a parents b government c music industry d other feel free to add any comments on this 5 do you think more less should be done for controling record sales or do you think the present labeling system is enough 6 what is your definition of censorship also feel free to add comments suggestions questions or further explanations please e mail at mtt kepler unh edu or hit r to reply thanks matthew t thompson disclaimer if any responses are used in paper they will be anoynamous sp unless the person specifies they what their name to be used this sig is closed for repairs ution matthew t thompson rrrrrrr pound pound thud ouch duh e mail at mtt kepler unh edu or shazam unh edu windows 3852 driver wanted hello im looking for a driver for an ibm 3852 2 color ink jet printer any pointers are welcome thanks in advance ralf huebner informatik uni stuttgart de windows re midi files on ms win3 1 and soundblaster 1 0 the cybard dudek acsu buffalo edu wrote i have a 486dx 33 computer with a soundblaster 1 0 card im running microsoft windows v3 1 i have the sb driver set up properly to play normal sounds wav files etc i want to play midi files through the media player that is included with windows i know i have to set up the patch maps or something in the midi mapper in the control panel i know nothing about midi this is to be the way ill get my feet wet how do i set up windows so that i can play midi files if you install the soundblaster windows drivers correctly and have the latest drivers the media player should be setup to play files authored to microsofts multimedia midi authoring standard general midi see the section in the back of the voyetra manual in the soundblaster midi upgrade kit youll find that midi files exist with all kinds of different mappings so dont expect them to always sound correct without using some kind of midi file editor such as voyetras sequencer plus you can attempt to use the midi mapper to remap the patches for soundblaster but since you cannot modify the sbfm drv you are allways stuck with the instruments that come with this driver unless you can find an editor for making modifications to the instrument settings in sbfm drv i would suggest you locate the early version of soundblaster drivers that were mapped to mt32 voices and the later drivers that are mapped to the general midi voices david thomas dudek v098pwxs ubvms bitnet the cybard state university dudek sun acsu buffalo edu of new york if music be the food of love buffalo play on wm shakespeare religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 in article 1qknu0innbhv shelley u washington edu sieferme stein u washington edu eric sieferman writes in article f1vmpxk quack kfu com pharvey quack kfu com paul harvey writes in article bskendigc5h4o3 d5p netcom com human blood sacrifice martyrdom of an innocent virgin nailed to a wooden pole what is this obsession with male menstruation christian washed in the blood of the lamb mithraist washed in the blood of the bull if anyone in netland is in the process of devising a new religion do not use the lamb or the bull because they have already been reserved please choose another animal preferably one not on the endangered species list how about cockroaches porta wam umd edu what for you say you monkey when you have little fluffy tail like rabbit rabbit tazmanian devil medicine re 3 aids related questions in article 93087 011308pxf3 psuvm psu edu pxf3 psuvm psu edu paula ford writes a friend of mine was a regular volunteer blood donor during surgery he was given five units of blood and after a suitable recovery time he went to donate blood at a bloodmobile he was hiv and did not know it the red cross notified him with a registered letter thats all no counselling no nothing he died two years ago this week he left behind how long ago was this when i said youd get counselling i meant if you did it now long ago practices varied and agencies had to gear up to provide the counselling a wife and a four year old son many people have suggested that his wife should sue the red cross but she would not she says that without the blood transfusions he would have died during the surgery good for her what we dont need is everyone suing community service agencies that provide blood that people need testing is not fool proof the fact that he got aids from a transfusion if he really did does not mean the red cross screwed up prior to 1983 or so there wasnt a good test and a lot of bad blood got through this wasnt the fault of the red cross when did he get the transfusions gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon baseball professional sports on fm radio i am curious to known if there are any professional sports teams whose games are regularly broadcast on an fm station the only one i am aware of is wysp in philadelphia who carries the eagles games if you respond to me i will summarize for the list bruce slutsky slutsky tesla njit edu guns re rewording the second amendment ideas dfo vttoulu tko vtt fi foxvog douglas writes you believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of mass destruction i find it hard to believe that you would support a neighbors right to keep nuclear weapons biological weapons and nerve gas on his her property that really depends upon where you draw the line while defining these weapons and also on if you intend the law to be reflective of modern practice five months or five centuries down the road ill give you a little hint see that manure pile in the farmers field down the road in the usa that is a weapon of mass destruction biological in nature because if it gets washed into an open well it will contaminate the aquifers that supply thousands of cities with drinking water so where do you draw the line in the usa the epa has ruled that a pile of scrap iron is illegal care to draw a thinner line this time dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them religion re is it good that jesus died in article sandvik 210493225220 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes in article 1993apr21 231552 24869 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 wrote hmm it seems that this is the core of christianity then you have to feel guilty and then theres this single personality that will save you from this universal guilt feeling brian i will tell you a secret i dont feel guilty at all i do mistakes and i regret them however ive never had this huge guilt feeling hanging over my shoulder i will tell you another secret i get this burning sensation in my hand every time i hold it over a candle the pain does not fill my entire body and im told the longer i hold it here the less itll hurt itll eventually burn up the nerves or so im told so i suppose i should just ignore the pain because holding my hand over the candle is something i just want to do ive got the right dont i your body feels pain to let you know something is wrong its your bodys alarm system informing you that something needs your attention a fever tells you that you are sick and need some sort of care guilt can be seen as that emotional or spiritual alarm just informing you that there is something that youve done that requires your attention it doesnt require a personality type to become a believer it requires someone who is willing to listen to themselves their body soul all i know is that i dont know everything and frankly speaking i dont care life is fun anyway i recognize that im not perfect but that does not hinder me from have a healthy and inspiring life for several years all i knew is i really liked dropping cid lsd frankly speaking i didnt really care it was fun anyway it didnt matter that every child my wife and i want to have are at a tremendously greater risk of serious birth defects for several years all i knew is i really liked having sex with as many women as i could convice frankly speaking i didnt care i didnt care that i was putting each one of them at risk as well as their future partners it didnt matter that for the first decade of my marriage my wife and i will have the worry that possibly that last sneeze meant something much worse than a cold there are humans that subscribe to the same notion the nice thing is that when you finally shake off this huge burden the shoulders feel far more relaxed the nice thing about pain killers if you take enough you wont care about the fever shortness of breath or pain jason d smith jasons atlastele com im not young enough to know everything 1x1 cars re mr2 noisy engine in article apr21 053718 19765 engr washington edu eliot lanmola engr washington edu eliot writes if the noise really bugs you there is nothing else that you can do except to sell it and get a v6 perhaps a nice used 88 pontiac fiero gt 2 8 liters does anyone know if the motor mounts for the 2 8 and the twin dual cam 3 4 liter match the 3 4 is supposedly derived from the pushrod 3 1 which was a punched out 2 8 liter should be a drop in replacement eh 205 horses in a mid engine the size of a fiero larry smith smith ctron com no i dont speak for cabletron need you ask liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want it is the freedom to do whatever we are able windows fax software for windows i would like to know about the current fax software available for windows does it take a 9600 baud fax modem or 14 4k please respond with info thank you very much chad toelle toelle evansville edu 4216 s st philip rd or mt vernon in 47620 uunet evansville edu toelle 812 985 3222 medicine hicn611 medical news part 4 4 cut here call for employers to keep information about the hiv status of health care workers confidential but doctors who know of an hiv positive colleague who has not sought advice must inform the employing authority and the appropriate professional regulatory body the guidelines also emphasize the significance of notifying all patients on whom an invasive procedure has been done by an infected health care worker a model letter to patients who have come into contact with such an individual is provided along with suggestions for health officials on how to deal with the media in addition a u k advisory panel on hiv infection in health care workers has been formed to provide specific occupational recommendations to those treating such patients properties of an hiv vaccine nature 04 08 93 vol 362 no 6420 p 504 volvovitz franklin and smith gale the questions raised by moore et al about recombinant gp160 envelope glycoprotein precursor from hiv 1 produced by microgenesys are advantages rather than disadvantages write franklin volvovitz and gale smith of microgenesys in meriden conn moore et al says that gp160 in a baculovirus expression system does not bind strongly to the cd4 receptor and that this recombinant gp160 does not stimulate the same antibodies as the hiv 1 virus does in natural infection but vaccination with recombinant gp160 in patients infected with hiv 1 broadens hiv 1 specific envelope directed immune responses including crossreactive antibodies to gp160 epitopes and cd4 and cd8 cytotoxic t cell responses volvovitz and smith claim that they never intended their gp160 molecule to be identical to the native protein antibody responses against native hiv 1 proteins including the types described by moore et al exist in nearly all aids patients but do not prevent hicnet medical newsletter page 42 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 progression of hiv disease in addition the binding of gp120 or gp120 antibody complexes to cd4 has been shown to interfere with antigen specific activation of cd4 cells and trigger programmed cell death in vitro which may contribute to the pathogenesis of hiv infection the absence of cd4 binding by the microgenesys gp160 vaccine may therefore be viewed as an added safety feature phase i studies have demonstrated stable cd4 counts stimulation of cytotoxic t cells and the suggestion of restoration of immune function based on these and other clinical results microgenesys gp160 was chosen by researchers at the karolinska institute in sweden for the first phase iii vaccine therapy studies conclude volvovitz and smith hiv 1 infection breast milk and hiv 1 transmission lancet 04 10 93 vol 341 no 8850 p 930 mok jacqueline there are still more questions than answers regarding hiv 1 positive women breastfeeding their babies writes jacqueline mok of the lancet the anti infective properties of milk are well documented while the numbers of leukocytes concentrations of lactoferrin and iga and lymphocyte mitogenic activity decline sharply during the first two to three months of lactation to barely detectable levels lactoferrin and iga then increase from three to twelve months with 90 percent of total iga in milk being secretory iga breastfeeding protects infants against gastrointestinal and respiratory illnesses in both normal and uninfected children born to hiv positive mothers the italian national registry of aids discovered that breastfed hiv 1 infected children had a longer median incubation time 19 months than bottlefed infants 9 7 months breastfed children also had a slower progression to aids there is no agreement on which antibodies offer protection against hiv 1 infection studies of the biological properties of milk from 15 hiv 1 infected women showed the presence of igg and iga antibodies against envelope glycoproteins as well as iga antibodies against core antigens binding of hiv 1 to the cd4 receptor can be inhibited by a human milk factor in the developing world where infectious disease and malnutrition contribute significantly to infant mortality breast milk is still the best food for infants regardless of the mothers hiv status transmission might be restricted by breastfeeding after colostrum and early milk have been expressed and discarded the possibility remains that breast milk could protect the infant who is already infected with hiv at birth and may even delay progression to aids concludes mok absence of hiv transmission from an infected dentist to his patients journal of the american medical association 04 14 93 vol 269 no 14 p 1802 dickinson gordon m et al if universal precautions are practiced the risk of hiv transmission from dentist to patient appears to be infinitesimal write gordon m dickinson hicnet medical newsletter page 43 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 et al of the university of miami school of medicine in miami fla the researchers contacted all patients treated by a dentist with aids and attempts were made to contact all patients for hiv testing living patients with newly detected hiv infection were interviewed and dna sequence analysis was performed to compare genetic relatedness of their hiv to that of the dentist death certificates were obtained for deceased patients and the medical records of those with diagnoses suggestive of hiv disease or drug abuse and those dying under the age of 50 years were examined in detail there were 1 192 patients who had undergone 9 267 procedures of whom 124 were deceased an examination of the death certificates of patients identified five who had died with hiv infection all of whom were either homosexuals or iv drug users the researchers were able to detect 962 of the remaining 1 048 patients and 900 agreed to be tested hiv infection was reported in five of the 900 patients including four who had clear evidence of risk factors for the disease one patient who had only a single evaluation by the dentist denied high risk behavior comparative dna sequence analysis showed that the viruses from the dentists and these five patients were not closely related the study suggests the potential for hiv transmission from a general dentist to his patients is minimal in a setting in which universal precautions are strictly observed conclude dickinson et al april 22 1993 aids patients are susceptible to recurrences of tb study says washington post 04 22 93 p a13 tuberculosis can strike aids patients more than once which makes the resurging health hazard harder to control according to a study published in todays new england journal of medicine people who contract tb usually develop an immunity that protects them if they are exposed to the bacteria again but a person whose immune system is depleted may not be able to fight off a new tb infection doctors found peter m small of the howard hughes medical institute at stanford university director of the study said that in order to protect against reinfection it may be necessary for some people to use tb medicines permanently the study examined the genetic makeup of tb bacteria and how the germs changed over time in 17 patients at kings county hospital in new york hiv 1 infection breast milk and hiv 1 transmission lancet 04 10 93 vol 341 no 8850 p 930 mok jacqueline there are still more questions than answers regarding hiv 1 positive women breastfeeding their babies writes jacqueline mok of the lancet the anti infective properties of milk are well documented while the numbers of hicnet medical newsletter page 44 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 leukocytes concentrations of lactoferrin and iga and lymphocyte mitogenic activity decline sharply during the first two to three months of lactation to barely detectable levels lactoferrin and iga then increase from three to twelve months with 90 percent of total iga in milk being secretory iga breastfeeding protects infants against gastrointestinal and respiratory illnesses in both normal and uninfected children born to hiv positive mothers the italian national registry of aids discovered that breastfed hiv 1 infected children had a longer median incubation time 19 months than bottlefed infants 9 7 months breastfed children also had a slower progression to aids there is no agreement on which antibodies offer protection against hiv 1 infection studies of the biological properties of milk from 15 hiv 1 infected women showed the presence of igg and iga antibodies against envelope glycoproteins as well as iga antibodies against core antigens binding of hiv 1 to the cd4 receptor can be inhibited by a human milk factor in the developing world where infectious disease and malnutrition contribute significantly to infant mortality breast milk is still the best food for infants regardless of the mothers hiv status transmission might be restricted by breastfeeding after colostrum and early milk have been expressed and discarded the possibility remains that breast milk could protect the infant who is already infected with hiv at birth and may even delay progression to aids concludes mok hiv and the aetiology of aids lancet 04 10 93 vol 341 no 8850 p 957 duesberg peter because there is no proof that hiv is the cause of aids the hypothesis that drug use leads to aids will hopefully become a hindrance to the physiologically azt and psychologically positive aids test toxic public health initiatives writes peter duesberg of the university of california berkeley in the lancets march 13 issue schechter et al call duesbergs hypothesis that injected and orally used recreational drugs and azt lead to aids a hindrance to public health initiatives however their hypothesis that hiv is the cause of aids has not attained any public health benefits the u s government spends 4 billion annually but no vaccine no therapy no prevention and no aids control have resulted from work on this hypothesis schechter et al conclude that hiv has a key role in cd4 depletion and aids based on epidemiological correlations with antibodies against hiv and with self reported recreational drug use among homosexuals from vancouver however their survey neglects to disprove duesbergs drug aids hypothesis because it does not provide controls i e confirmed drug free aids cases and because it does not quantify drug use and ignores azt use altogether to refute duesbergs hypothesis schechter would have to produce a controlled study demonstrating that over a period of up to 10 years hiv positive patients who use recreational drugs or azt or both have the same aids risks as positives who do not do so the 10 year period is claimed by hicnet medical newsletter page 45 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 proponents of the hiv hypothesis to be the time needed for hiv to cause aids alternatively they could show that hiv free individuals who have used drugs for 10 years never get aids defining illnesses concludes duesberg rapid decline of cd4 cells after ifna treatment in hiv 1 infection lancet 04 10 93 vol 341 no 8850 p 959 vento sandro et al interferon ifn which induces autoantibodies and autoimmune diseases in some settings may hasten cd4 t cell loss in some hiv 1 infected individuals through the amplification of harmful autoimmune reactions write sandro vento et al of the a pugliese hospital in catanzaro italy the researchers report three asymptomatic hiv 1 infected individuals with hepatitis c virus related chronic active hepatitis cah who had a rapid profound decline of cd4 cells after ifn all three patients throughout the observation were consistently negative for serum hiv p24 antigen and had circulating antibodies to p24 sera from all three patients obtained at the end of ifn treatment and testing in enzyme linked immunosorbent assay contained high titres of antibodies reacting to a sequence located in the aminoterminal of the beta chain of all human hla class ii antigens homologous to a sequence located in the carboxy terminus of hiv 1 gp41 these autoantibodies which also recognize native class ii molecules and may contribute to the elimination of cd4 t cells in vivo were at low tires 50 100 in all three patients six months after stopping ifn such autoantibodies were not detected in 28 other patients with hiv infection and hcv related cah treated with ifn and who did not experience cd4 t cell loss in some hiv 1 infected individuals through the amplification of harmful autoimmune reactions the subjects had a1 b8 dr3 and b35 dr1 hla antigen combinations which are linked with a more rapid fall in cd4 cell counts and clinical progression of hiv 1 disease ifn can induce a very rapid decline of cd4 cells and should be used cautiously in patients with these hla haplotypes the researchers conclude april 23 1993 tb makes a comeback state government news 04 93 vol 36 no 4 p 6 voit william and knapp elaine s although tuberculosis was once believed to be eliminated in the united states it is emerging again among the homeless aids patients immigrants minorities and prisoners dr lee b reichman professor of medicine at the university of new jersey medical school and president of the american lung association said right now its a big city problem but potentially its everyones problem the ala predicts that 10 million americans are infected with tb and about 10 percent of them will develop the disease because their immune systems are depressed especially those with aids or hiv gene hicnet medical newsletter page 46 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 tammes a centers for disease control expert said that is why the cdc has issued guidelines warning hospitals and institutions not to mix aids with tb patients state health officials believe the tb is also spreading because those who are most susceptible are the least likely to follow through with treatment in addition the increase is attributed to a shortage of public health services in new york city tb is an epidemic because the number of cases is increasing faster than we can treat people said dr george diferdinando director of the new york state tb control according to diferdinando curbing the spread of tb entails keeping 85 percent or more of diagnosed tb cases in treatment about 40 percent of infected new york city residents dont complete therapy when tb patients dont finish taking their medication multi drug resistant tb can develop which requires taking more expensive drugs and can take two years instead of the normal six months to treat increasing frequency of heterosexually transmitted aids in southern florida artifact or reality american journal of public health 04 93 vol 83 no 4 p 571 nwanyanwu okey c et al the alarmingly high rate of heterosexually acquired aids cases in southern florida was partially related to misclassification of risk write okey c nwanyanwu et al of the centers for disease control in atlanta ga the researchers investigated 168 such aids cases from broward and coastal palm beach counties all of these cases attributed to heterosexual transmission reported sexual contact with bisexual men injecting drug users or persons born in countries where heterosexual contact is the primary route of hiv transmission medical records of patients in addition to records from social services hiv counseling and testing centers and sexually transmitted disease std clinics were reviewed if no other hiv risk factor was found from medical record review patients were interviewed using a standardized questionnaire once std clinic and other medical records were reviewed 29 men and 7 women were reclassified into other hiv transmission categories after adjustments were made for the reclassification the percentage of aids cases reported from palm beach and broward counties between january 1 1989 and march 31 1990 that was attributed to heterosexual transmission decreased from 10 percent to 6 percent among men and from 33 percent to 28 percent among women while the percentage of heterosexually transmitted aids cases in southern florida decreased after adjustment was made for reclassified cases it still remained above the national average the researchers conclude hicnet medical newsletter page 47 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 aids statistics world health organization geneva organisation mondiale de la sante geneve weekly epidemiological record releve epidemiologique hebdomadaire 15 january 1993 68th year acquired immunodeficiency syndrome aids data as at 31 december 1992 syndrome dimmunodeficience acquise sida donnees au 31 decembre 1992 number date of of cases report country area nombre date pays territoire de cas de notifi cation africa afrique algeria algerie 92 31 08 91 angola 514 24 09 92 benin benin 247 31 03 92 botswana 353 30 06 92 burkina faso 1 263 20 03 92 burundi 6 052 20 03 92 cameroon cameroun 1 407 05 10 92 cape verde cap vert 52 08 02 92 central african republic republique centrafricaine 1 864 20 03 92 chad tchad 382 17 09 92 comoros comores 3 11 03 92 congo 3 482 30 01 92 cote divoire 10 792 09 03 92 djibouti 265 17 12 92 egypt egypte 57 17 12 92 equatorial guinea guinee equatoriale 13 16 05 92 ethiopia ethiopie 3 978 11 11 92 hicnet medical newsletter page 48 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 gabon 215 31 05 92 gambia gambie 180 25 02 92 ghana 3 612 01 07 92 guinea guinee 338 20 03 92 guinea bissau guinee bissau 189 13 07 92 kenya 31 185 01 10 92 lesotho 64 31 03 92 liberia liberia 28 31 03 92 libyan arab jamahiriya jamahiriya arabe libyenne 7 17 12 92 madagascar 2 06 11 92 malawi 22 300 02 12 92 mali 1 111 17 07 92 mauritania mauritanie 36 19 07 92 mauritius maurice 11 29 02 92 morocco maroc 121 17 12 92 mozambique 538 10 10 92 namibia namibie 311 20 03 92 niger 497 07 02 92 nigeria nigeria 184 12 03 92 reunion reunion 65 20 03 92 rwanda 8 483 12 11 92 sao tome and principe sao tome et principe 11 03 07 92 senegal senegal 648 09 03 92 seychelles 18 02 92 sierra leone 40 20 03 92 somalia somalie 13 17 12 92 south africa afrique du sud 1 316 30 06 92 sudan soudan 650 17 12 92 swaziland 197 08 07 92 togo 1 278 03 04 92 tunisia tunisie 114 17 12 92 uganda ouganda 34 611 01 11 92 united republic of tanzania republique unie de tanzanie 34 605 31 05 92 zaire zaire 18 186 14 05 92 zambia zambie 6 556 15 10 92 zimbabwe 12 514 31 03 92 total 211 032 hicnet medical newsletter page 49 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 americas ameriques anguilla 6 10 12 92 antigua and barbuda antigua et barbuda 6 10 12 92 argentina argentine 1 820 10 12 92 bahamas 934 10 12 92 barbados barbade 315 10 12 92 belize 53 10 12 92 bermuda bermudes 199 10 12 92 bolivia bolivie 49 10 12 92 brazil bresil 31 364 10 12 92 british virgin islands iles vierges britanniques 4 10 12 92 canada 6 889 10 12 92 cayman islands iles caimanes 13 10 12 92 chile chili 573 10 12 92 colombia colombie 2 957 10 12 92 costa rica 419 10 12 92 cuba 137 10 12 92 dominica dominique 12 10 12 92 dominican republic republique dominicaine 1 809 10 12 92 ecuador equateur 224 10 12 92 el salvador 382 10 12 92 french guiana guyane francaise 232 10 12 92 grenada grenade 32 10 12 92 guadeloupe 182 10 12 92 guatemala 273 10 12 92 guyana 333 10 12 92 haiti haiti 3 086 10 12 92 honduras 1 976 10 12 92 jamaica jamaique 361 10 12 92 martinique 227 10 12 92 mexico mexique 11 034 10 12 92 montserrat 1 10 12 92 netherlands antilles and aruba antilles neerlandaises et aruba 110 10 12 92 nicaragua 31 10 12 92 panama 388 10 12 92 paraguay 51 10 12 92 peru perou 614 10 12 92 hicnet medical newsletter page 50 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 saint kitts and nevis saint kitts et nevis 37 10 12 92 saint lucia sainte lucie 48 10 12 92 saint vincent and the grenadines saint vincent et grenadines 41 10 12 92 suriname 122 10 12 92 trinidad and tobago trinite et tobago 1 085 10 12 92 turks and caicos islands iles turques et caiques 25 10 12 92 united states of america etats unis damerique 242 146 10 12 92 uruguay 310 10 12 92 venezuela 2 173 10 12 92 total 313 083 asia asie afghanistan 17 12 92 bahrain bahrein 3 31 03 92 bangladesh 1 30 11 92 bhutan bhoutan 30 11 92 brunei darussalam brunei darussalam 2 19 12 91 burma see myanmar birmanie voir myanmar cambodia cambodge 31 10 92 china a chine a 11 28 04 92 cyprus chypre 24 17 12 92 democratic peoples republic of korea republique populaire democratique de coree 30 11 92 hong kong 61 26 09 92 india inde 242 30 11 92 indonesia indonesie 24 30 11 92 iran islamic republic of iran republique islamique d 56 17 12 92 iraq 7 17 12 92 israel israel 192 17 12 92 hicnet medical newsletter page 51 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 japan japon 508 04 12 92 jordan jordanie 24 17 12 92 kuwait koweit 7 17 12 92 lao peoples democratic republic republique democratique populaire lao 1 23 04 92 lebanon liban 35 17 12 92 macao 2 03 11 92 malaysia malaisie 46 25 05 92 maldives 30 11 92 mongolia mongolie 1 30 11 92 myanmar 16 30 11 92 nepal nepal 12 30 11 92 oman 27 17 12 92 pakistan 25 17 12 92 philippines 80 07 10 92 qatar 31 17 12 92 republic of korea republique de coree 10 19 11 92 saudi arabia arabie saoudite 46 17 12 92 singapore singapour 43 05 08 92 sri lanka 20 30 11 92 syrian arab republic republique arabe syrienne 19 17 12 92 thailand thailande 909 30 11 92 turkey turquie 89 17 12 92 united arab emirates emirats arabes unis 8 17 12 92 viet nam 28 04 92 yemen yemen 17 12 92 total 2 582 europe albania albanie 30 09 92 austria autriche 828 30 09 92 belarus belarus 6 30 09 92 belgium belgique 1 224 17 12 92 bulgaria bulgarie 16 17 12 92 czechoslovakia tchecoslovaquie 32 17 12 92 denmark danemark 1 072 17 12 92 finland finlande 112 17 12 92 hicnet medical newsletter page 52 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 france 21 487 17 12 92 germany allemagne 8 893 17 12 92 greece grece 689 17 12 92 hungary hongrie 105 17 12 92 iceland islande 22 17 12 92 ireland irlande 294 17 12 92 italy italie 14 783 17 12 92 latvia lettonie 2 30 09 92 lithuania lituanie 2 30 09 92 luxembourg 55 17 12 92 malta malte 25 17 12 92 monaco 9 17 12 92 netherlands pays bas 2 330 17 12 92 norway norvege 283 17 12 92 poland pologne 118 17 12 92 portugal 1 007 17 12 92 romania roumanie 2 073 17 12 92 russian federation federation de russie 94 30 09 92 san marino saint marin 1 17 12 92 spain espagne 14 991 17 12 92 sweden suede 743 17 12 92 switzerland suisse 2 691 17 12 92 united kingdom royaume uni 6 510 17 12 92 yugoslavia b yougoslavie b 313 30 09 92 total 80 810 oceania oceanie american samoa samoa americaines 18 11 92 australia australie 3 615 02 12 92 cook islands iles cook 18 02 92 federated states of micronesia etats federes de micronesie 2 01 09 92 fiji fidji 4 28 11 91 french polynesia polynesie francaise 27 28 11 91 guam 10 13 09 91 kiribati 08 11 91 mariana islands iles mariannes 4 14 10 92 marshall islands iles marshall 2 18 03 91 nauru 17 12 92 new caledonia and dependencies hicnet medical newsletter page 53 volume 6 number 11 april 25 1993 nouvelle caledonie et dependances 22 26 08 92 new zealand nouvelle zelande 348 03 11 92 niue 18 02 92 palau 15 10 92 papua new guinea papouasie nouvelle guinee 45 10 08 92 samoa 1 18 02 92 solomon islands iles salomon 19 12 91 tokelau 18 02 92 tonga 2 24 07 92 tuvalu 22 11 92 vanuatu 08 06 92 wallis and futuna islands iles wallis et futuna 27 05 91 total 4 082 world total total mondial 611 589 a the above statistics relating to china do not include 48 cases of aids in the province of taiwan les statistiques ci dessus se rapportant a la chine ne comprennent pas 48 cas de sida dans la province de taiwan b refers to republics and areas of the former socialist federal republic of yugoslavia bosnia and herzegovina croatia macedonia montenegro serbia slovenia se refere aux republiques et territoires de lancienne republique federative socialiste de yougoslavie bosnie herzegovine croatie macedoine montenegro serbie slovenie hicnet medical newsletter page 54 cut here this is the last part internet david stat com fax 1 602 451 1165 bitnet atw1h asuacad fidonet 1 114 15 amateur packet ax25 wb7tpy wb7tpy az usa na medicine questions about spect imaging i have become involved in a project to further develop and improve the performance of spect single photon emission computerized tomography imaging we will eventually have to peddle this stuff somewhere and so as i move this thing along i would like to know what is the current resolution of spect imaging what kinds of jobs is spect used for specifically what kind of specific jobs could i hope that spect could be used for if its resolution improved say to close to that of pet positron emission tomography and how much does a spect machine cost how much does a single spect image cost if anyone knows the answer to any or all of these questions or where i could find that answer i would be very grateful indeed thanks in advance for any replies dave eliezer eliezer physics llnl gov medicine re fibromyalgia in article 93apr5 133521edt 1231 smoke cs toronto edu craig cs toronto edu craig macdonald writes it may be extremely common something like 5 of the population it is treatable with tricyclic antidepressant type drugs elavil pamelor why is it treated with antidepressants is it considered a psychogenic condition no that these drugs happen to be useful as antidepressants is neither here nor there steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer baseball phillies a new ballpark in future attn those who live inthe philadelphia metro area back in september i was listening to wip and i remember the morning guys were talking with mayor ed rendell the topic of conversation was a new ball park for the phillies the location for this new park was suggested to be near 30th st station at the time the mayor was optimisitic that in the future this could become a reality has there been any new news on this subject or is it still a pipe dream i know the city of philadelphia has other projects ahead such as the new convention center and the upcoming spectrum ii but it would be nice to see this a reality it is planned that the phillies leave the vet and leave it solely to the eagles and if thats the case the eagles should make the vet a grass stadium but thats another story i want to see that day comments windows re ms windows access for the blind in article 1993apr22 172514 13025 cci632 cci com jfb cci632 cci com john bruno writes from jfb cci632 cci com john bruno subject ms windows access for the blind date thu 22 apr 1993 17 25 14 gmt we are developing an ms windows based product that uses a full screen window to display 24 rows of textual data is there any product for microsoft windows that will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently quickly please email responses and i will post a summary to this group thanks for any help john bruno apparently microsoft came out with a new product ms braille it is suppose to be wytiwig no offense marc trottier mtrottie emr1 emr ca windows re emm386 and windows in article ardie 313 736188058 ux1 cso uiuc edu ardie ux1 cso uiuc edu ardie mack writes on my pc i almost exclusively run windows the only dos based application i have is procommplus in my config sys i have emm386 loaded with the option noems no expanded memory following a thread in one of the comp newsgroups i read that it was no necessary to have emm386 loaded indeed in the manual it says that emm386 is used to get expanded memory out of extended memory since i have the noems option it seems to me that the emm386 device is useless in my case should i use emm386 or should i remove it from my config sys thanks for your help eric emm386 noems enables the system to use the upper memory between 640 and 1024 thats a good place for device drivers dos kernal etc keep it in well i thought that highmem sys would do that too i just took out emm386 of my config sys and im still loading my other drivers high mouse vga shadow bios dos key etc i havent checked mem c but i believe i have managed to load them high ie between 640kb and 1024kb also ever since i took out emm386 windows loads slightly faster i get about 3 extra meg of freemem in windows im running 386 enhanced with 4 meg ram 7 meg swap and i got rid of my ctrl alt del reboot problem before the computer would not reboot using ctrl alt del after exiting windows i would really like to keep emm386 out of my config sys anybody else have info on this eric guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article 1r6klv 64f transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article c5v9fv krt news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes in article c5uhuo awq usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf writes in article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu nathan engle writes yeah as information trickles in funny how that works funny yeah funny how you didnt wait for the fbi spokesdroid latest reversal of facts before proclaiming the bds burned themselves to death if you wont believe anything the government says and the press is not reliable according to the same logic then what do you base your statements on wild speculation laced with a healthy dose of paranoia funny brent but so far we have heard two versions of the facts 1 what the government says this includes what the government says that two survivors have said 2 what koreshs lawyer who was actually inside the compound says including what he says that most of the survivors have said strange but they seem to disagree in most important particulars if anyone has actually seen news reports of any of the survivors speaking first hand feel free ot pitch in i may have missed it but my money is that their story will sound a hell of a lot like case 2 and not at all like case 1 since neither side would be particularly interested in telling the truth you have to weigh the facts given by each yourself and weigh it with the newsreporting if you care many cult members will probably side with the attorney and if he is lying change their stories to match his and if the feds also lie the cult members who become disillusioned will change their stories to match the feds neither sides are interested in the truth the media is more interested but usually either dont have the time to get it straight or tie themselves to the ratings and deliberately distort for me though the black soot billowing outside the compound added with how fast the fire spread ponted to someone dousing large parts of the compound with some sort of gasoline or fire starter i doubt the feds did that as they were more interested in arresting vernon the real unbalanced one at least the one that lost his cool was vernon so i figured that he was more likely to do it after all he was jesus being persecuted by the authorities and had followers to hold onto so made the decision he and his followers also probably felt that they were rocketing to heaven by doing this stuff thsi conclusion i came to after umpteen million hours of listening to npr and other radio shows i always have the radio going when i am in my office on some innocuous talk show or news program as background noise personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article 34544 oasys dt navy mil glouie oasys dt navy mil george louie writes in rec autos nancy hayduke nancy feagans writes ashtrays and cigarette lighters these should be an option why make it an option you can use the ashtray to store coins and other small things which come in handy use the cigarette lighter as an electrical outlet for all types of handy gadgets cd players vacuum cleaners flashlights etc i dont want to pay extra for these things and if you dont use them they dont hurt you i use the ashtray to keep change and other items in i converted the cigarette lighter into a volume control knob for my in trunk subwoofer george larry keys csmes ncsl nist gov oo 1990 2 0 16v fahrvergnugen forever the fact that i need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldnt understand anyway windows page numbering problem with wfw canon bj10e i am using wfw 2 0c with a canon bj10e the printer driver is that which comes with windows 3 1 unfortatunately i am having a problem with printing page numbers on the bottom of the page i can print page number on the top of the page but not on the bottom has anybody had a similar problem and or does anybody have a solution for such a problem thanks pwoodcoc business uwo ca pwoodcoc sms business uwo ca c patrick woodcock western business school london ontario medicine re pregnency without sex in article 1993apr27 182155 23426 oswego oswego edu matthews oswego oswego edu harry matthews writes all right listen up what are the possibilities of transmission through swimming pool water especially if the chlorination isnt up to par ive heard of community swimming pools refered to as public urinals so what else is going on no dice as soon as the sperm cells hit the water they would virtually explode the inside of the cell is hypertonic and since the membrane is semipermeable water would rush in and cause the cell to burst kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer baseball re braves giants in article 15780004 hpspdla spd hp com garyr hpspdla spd hp com gary rosen writes thomas miller 5 39 am apr 19 1993 does anyone else think that this weekends four game series was a really strange one yeah it was real strange if you think the braves should be awarded the nl west title without actually having to play the games gary rosen i didnt say that did you say that wow i cant believe that anyone would think that the braves or any other team for that matter should get the title for free what a dolt that person would be if that was what they thought incredible thomas miller tmiller cimmeria gatech edu systems support specialist ii georgia tech network services and i looked and behold a pale horse and his name that sat on him was death and hell followed with him guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1993apr21 053035 29591 mcs kent edu mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu the lawnmowerman writes in article 1r1j1l 4t transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1993apr20 143255 12711 mcs kent edu mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu the lawnmowerman writes oh then i guess that shooting those kind of babies is all right you sick bastard cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet why thanks for your reply to my post by the way i never never ever said that it was right to shoot those kind of babies however it was the branch davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their savior yeah right budy boy because he had brain washed them into believing that what ever he says is the truth even if means that they are to give up their lives for his cause therefore it is davids fault and not the atfs who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out this was 50 days to many for me and for goodness sake if they had fired a cruise missile at the compound more people would have come out alive it was obvious to anyone with the remotest contact with reality that such an outcome was likely not just possible however the fire started as mr lawnmower you seem to have already entered your own little virtual reality i guess you cant be expected to understand things in the real universe alan greig janet a greig uk ac dct dundee institute of technology internet a greig dct ac uk tel 0382 308810 int 44 382 308810 never underestimate the power of human stupidity religion re whos next mormons and jews dan sorenson viking iastate edu writes in mcclaryc5snpq kb1 netcom com mcclary netcom com michael mcclary writes just thought id clear up a few of the murky areas actually after surviving being driven out of nauvoo and later carthage the mormons did fortify utah they still arm themselves to defend the faith and stockpile food as well they have been involved in quite a lot of illegal activity including multiple and often underage wives for the leaders a practice still in vogue with some splinters of their sect the parallels between koresh and joseph smith are striking by they you mean the leaders of the lds church i grant you that when joseph smith was still alive plenty of accusations were filed most of which had little bearing with reality as evidenced by various verdicts i have studied lds history for 15 years now and i have yet to see prove that the lds leadership was involved in quote illegal activities plural marriage yes but your charge of underage wives sounds like it could have originated from a tabloid and discredits the high moral standards which characterized these leaders and families unlike as it appears those of david koresh joseph smith started the sect after he and his brother hyram were murdered in a nauvoo il jail cell church membership split over who to follow initially smith was considered a prophet just like mohammed a rather interesting parallel considering muslims consider christ to be a prophet the same as jews im led to understand make no mistake this was no messiah were talking about in smith the and neither did he claim he was as the church reflects the moral aptitude of its leaders and especially those of joseph smith i have nothing but the highest respect for this inspired man whose only crime was that he refused to deny that he had seen a vision many have tried to explain the smith phenomenon away but the bold presence of an 8 5 million member strong church stands as a witness that joseph smiths testimony had enough resilience and power to carry on the message thought at the time was that the gift of prophecy was to be handed down father to son after joseph smith died his son was only entering his teens brigham young and a few others claimed to have been bequeathed the gift and leadership prior to his death the council of twelve the church governing body wasnt of much help here and this basic conflict is still a wedge between the sects brigham young took his followers to salt lake the rest waited for smith jr to grow up enough to assume leadership the other claimants to the leadership were soon ignored like mike dukakis the rest were apostates and excommunicated members of the church while the great majority of the membership the twelve and the various auxiliary organizations chose to accept brigham young as the new prophet and leader of the church if you knew your lds scriptures and doctrine you would have known that brigham young was the first in line to fill the prophet joseph smiths vacancy he was the senior apostle in the quorum and various comments made by joseph indicated that it was brigham who would lead the latter day exodus to the west other rightful heirs were either dead hyrum smith or excommunicated oliver cowdery and while persecutions abounded and intensified joseph smith had already given orders to look for a new place an empty land beyond the boundaries of the united states at that time this rekhabite principle pseudographia was well understood and antipated by the great majority of lds faithful and was not questioned by them granted a couple of do it yourselfers stayed behind unwilling to sacrifice and to undertake the perilous journey to the unknown but this also was necessary to separate the tares from the wheat the church benefitted from this purification process they became even more unified and willing to carry out their mission to the world both sects practiced the 1 year food stockpile doctrine and this being frontier and farming country most carried or at least owned weapons there is little evidence that they were a militaristic sect given that they tended to move on rather than face large scale opposition brigham young having suffered a great deal getting to salt lake seems to have been quite justified in making military training a good thing remember this was far beyond where even the us army went and these people had nobody to turn to save themselves just a little context to put this all in perspective btw since when is the church of jesus christ of latter day saints one of the largest denominations in the country a sect it didnt splinter from any other religion as did say the southern baptists or methodists so what did the mormons get it seems that j edgar hoover was very impressed with the way they kept secrets theyre pledged to defend secrets with their lives and atone for sin with blood many actually do even to the point of suicide what a balloney suicide is sinful and against the law of god i am not comfortable with this alleged cosiness with mammon i assure you that many among us reject this attitude categorically period our only true allegiance is to our god and to the leaders which he has appointed to represent him in any regard to read this trash about suicide and atone for sins with blood is yet another insulting misrepresentation of what my church believes in and stands for the rlds the reorganized lds are friendly rivals of the lds and delight in telling stories about them which generates quick retorts from the lds members and everybody has a grand time at no time have i ever even heard this hinted at im taking it with a salt block make it a really big salt mountain with a glacier on top so he hired virtually no one but mormons until the fbi was almost exclusively staffed by members of the church of later day saints though j edgar is finally gone the fbi personnel especially the field agents are still heavily mormon i have often wondered how this might affect the fbis treatment of religious organizations a mormon would consider heretical preposterous even if this were true reliable data please i am convinced that those officers would perform to the highest codes of honor and conduct thats why they were selected for in the first place remember besides one of our articles of faith strongly states the principle of freedom of religion and that all people are free to worship how where or what they may if its true there would be little affect lds and rlds philosophy is that all other religions have strayed from the true church as set down by jesus but that god will judge each on his own merits in addition the rlds also contend and the lds may as well that ignorance of the true way tm is an excuse you can only be condemned if you had been tought the way and rejected it in short lds and rlds suffer everybody from lutherans to buddhists secure in the knowledge that though they are wrong they will not be penalized for ignorance it is more likely that hoover liked them because of their rather strict upbringings which forbade alcohol tobacco hot drink like coffee or tea and the like these people are the salt of the earth and as such are more easily made to follow orders and have few vices to be used against them a good explanation i can accept that you are right that lds people are sometimes a little too cosy with mammons orders the late president kimball for example was an exception with his strong opposition of the selection of the mx peace keeper missile maze in utah thats my somewhat educated guess anyway both sects have splinter groups that dont mirror the masses but these are small and rare and hardly worth noting their common ancestry none of this has any relevance to guns though when a mans religion is used to deny him the right of self protection with the weapons suitable for the job hell find an ally in me dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them casper c knies isscck byuvm bitnet brigham young university isscck vm byu edu ucs computer facilities guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5sv88 hjy news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes in article 1r1j3n 4t transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1r19tp 5em bigboote wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas do you eat all your food cold ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves very popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially ever hear about cutting off the electricity that was done how effective is an electric stove then al standard disclaimer religion christian devil revealed for a while i was puzzled by the the concept of adam and eve coming to know good and evil this is how i resolved it within gods universe each action evokes an equal and opposite reaction there can be no good without evil as an opposite so the issue is not what you do but to whom you give your allegiance that is why even in this sinful state when we perform an evil act while we are submitted to god he does not place that sinful act to our account rom 4 8 in the same vein you can perform all the good deeds in the book if your life is not under gods control you are still sinning see rom 14 23 now take a good look at at an tell me man there is no christian devil there is is real is a virus a meme infecting and possessing the good people and keep em from becoming human beings with emphasis on the being is not a matter of good people an evil people is all good people see but some good people vexed of the christian devil an it cant be burn out or lynch out or rape out only wise up let i rise up christian devil is real man how else can you explain five hundred years of history even more can only be explained by christians invoke christian devil you keep on knocking but you cant come in i got to understand youve been living in sin but walk right in and sit right down ill keep on loving you ill play the clown but bend down low let i tell you what i know yah ive been buked brothers and ive been stoned woe woe woe now im hung by a tree in the the ganging on a few woe woe woe it doesnt matter who the man is who lives the life he loves it doesnt matter what the man does or the honest life he loves i want somewhere i want somewhere hallelujah hallelujah somewhere to lay my head woe is me only ska beat in eaven man stiff necked fools you think youre cool to deny me for simplicity yes you have gone for so long with your love for vanity now yes you have got the wrong interpretation mixed up with vain imagination so take jah sun and jah moon and jah rain and jah stars and forever yes erase your fantasy yeah the lips of the righteous teach many but fools die for want of wisdom the rich mans wealth is in his city the righteous wealth is in his holy place so take jah sun and jah moon and jah rain and jah stars and forever yes erase your fantasy destruction of the poor is in their poverty destruction of the soul is vanity yeah but i dont want to rule ya i dont want to fool ya i dont want to school ya things you you might never know about yes you have got the wrong interpretation mixed up with vain vain imagination stiff necked fools you think youre cool to deny me for oh simplicity love to see when yah move in the rhythm love to see when youre dancing from within it gives great joy to feel such sweet togetherness everyones doing and theyre doing their best it remind i of the days in jericho when we trodden down jericho wall these are the days when well trod true babylon gonna trod until babylon fall then i saw the angel with the seven seals saying babylon throne going down we weeping and we wailing tonight windows re re win nt what is it anyway dont expect it soon windows 4 and dos 7 are supposed to my understanding was that chicago was dos 7 be released next year read see it in 95 so i expect that chicogo wont be out til 96 dominic drohan email drohand cad gmeds com electronic data systems phone 313 696 6315 if youd like to talk for hours just go ahead now the spin doctors note the views and opinions expressed herein are mine and do not reflect those of electronic data systems corp baseball re cubs behind marlins how gajarsky pilot njin net writes morgan and guzman will have eras 1 run higher than last year and the cubs will be idiots and not pitch harkey as much as hibbard castillo wont be good i think hes a stud pitcher this season so far morgan and guzman helped to lead the cubs at top in era even better than the rotation at atlanta cubs era at 0 056 while braves at 0 059 we know it is early in the season we cubs fans have learned how to enjoy the short triumph while it is still there medicine re vasectomy health effects on women in article 1993apr27 110440 5069 nic csu net eskagerb nermal santarosa edu eric skagerberg writes does anyone know of any studies done on the long term health effects of a mans vasectomy on his female partner ive seen plenty of study results about vasectomys effects on mens health but what about women for example might the wife of a vasectomized man become more at risk for say cervical cancer adverse effects from sperm antibodies changes in the vaginas ph yeast or bacterial infections outside of study results how about informed speculation ive heard of no studies but speculation why on earth would there be any effect on womens health thats about the most absurd idea ive heard since ted kaldiss claim that no more than 35 000 people would march on washington ok one point greatly reduced chance of pregnancy but thats it josh medicine localized fat reduction due to exercise question i was just wondering if exercises specific to particular regions of the body such as thighs will basically only tone the thighs or if fat from other parts of the body such as breasts would be affected just as much h anthony chung c amigas case western reserve university r the school of dentistry future hac po cwru edu cabal on irc ac is guns re guns gone good riddance in article 1993apr18 000152 2339 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes of those who vote your cause is considered an abomination no matter how hard you try public opinion is set against the rkba nope here in northern california a newspaper recently did a survey asking if people favored stricter gun controls a full 40 said no here in one of the most liberal it wasnt always a swear word areas of the country nearly half the people dont want additional controls let alone revocation of rkba this is the end by the finish of the clinton administration your rkba will be null and void tough titty misguided dolt though he may be though i still maintain less dangerous than bush clinton does not publicly support revoking the second amendment surrender your arms soon enough officers will be around to collect them resistance is useless they will overwhelm you one at a time your neighbors will not help you they will consider you more if an immediate threat than the abstract criminal well ill help my neighbors too fucking bad you have gone the way of the kkk violent solutions are passe avoid situations which encourage criminals then you will be as safe as possible such as it is violent solutions are passe i take it you propose disarming the police then please dont mention rkba in the same breath as the kkk rkba is about being able to defend yourself and others not about killing the innocent actually your mention of the kkk is rather funny considering that the first gun control law in the us were created specifically to disarm black people don guns re jffo has gone a bit too far having read the posted long article by jpfo i have some observations 1 this article does not claim that the gca of 1968 is a verbatim translation of a nazi law what it says is that in another place the book theyre talking about they compare the two things section by section the implication is that the similarities are devastating in the next sentence they talk about how in that book they reproduce the german text of the nazi law together with its translation not surprisingly a reader could easily conflate these two things into a single idea that the american gca is a literal translation of the nazi law and sure enough thats what the whole thing has mutated into urban folklore style 2 the article goes to great pains to establish that senator dodd had a copy of the nazi law either from his time on the nurnberg prosecution team or later this fact is considered highly incriminating but i dont understand why the author repeats several times that he is simply unable to imagine how anyone could come into possession of the original text and yet in a paragraph towards the end he explains it perfectly if dodd got his copy of the original german text of the nazi weapons law during his time at nurnberg it likely was part of a collection of documents for example issues of the reichsgesetzblatt the german law registry bingo exactly dodd had a book with a series of nazi laws in it including the one under discussion all of the stuff about why would a u s congressman have a copy of a nazi law melts away by the authors admission he then continues but if he acquired the original german text of the nazi weapons law after his service at nurnberg he must have done so for a very specific reason but theres absolutely no reason to think that this is the case in fact as a senior member of the u s team that helped to prosecute nazi war criminals it seems to me that he would have had to have a copy all arguments about whether the nazi weapon law is really of historical interest as it obviously is certainly according to the author here or whether dodd personally prosecuted the interior minister who signed it can be put aside as red herrings 3 having established that dodd owned a copy of the original german text the jpfo article then tries to draw sinister implications from the fact that he asked to have it translated the problem is in the context of the charge levelled at dodd these two things work against each other people ask to have things translated when they dont know what they mean if dodd took it upon himself to preserve the nazi law with idea of someday introducing it into american law surely by 1968 he would have know what it meant wouldnt he anyway this precise charge the main one that i questioned in an earlier posting is just silly why would dodd need the exact translation for this purpose is the idea that the gun controllers despite being presumably bent on disarming the populace with the goal of eventually destroying all civil liberties needed a crib sheet didnt they have any idea how to do it on their own once again the author provides a perfectly acceptable answer to his own question dodd may have offered his copy of the nazi weapons law to show that the specific proposal did not resemble anything in the nazi law in fact since the law and its translation were entered into the congressional record under the heading of documents concerning the history of nazism and gun confiscation dodds motivation isnt a mystery he asked for the translation in order to put it in the cr 4 even this article makes it clear that the part of the nazi law that was added by the nazi regime is only a small part of that law registration of guns for instance was begun in 1928 and thus not a nazi inspired idea the parts of the nazi law that parallel the 1968 gca include handgun control of some sort and the identification of certain weapons as sporting weapons the jpfo then goes on to list other parts of the nazi law forbidding ownership of weapons by jews of course there are no such provisions in the american gca nevertheless in a rhetorical move guaranteed to muddy the waters immediately after the discussion of the anti jewish parts of the law the jpfo article continues given the parallels between the nazi weapons law and the gca68 so as to get maximum emotional mileage out of that aspect of the law don porges porges inmet camb inmet com uunet inmet porges cars re warning please read in article 1993apr15 173951 20173 icf hrb com jek icf hrb com joe karolchik writes i deleted your name because i dont want to sound accusative in my remark on another occasion on my way from texas to florida i had stopped in a small motel for the night in a small town somewhere in florida about 5 youths were disturbing my car setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out when i and another tenant walked out with a 357 magnum and a 45 automatic respectively they vanished needless to say i immediately packed up and left watch out for car jacking and staged accidents they can be deadly im not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons but i would ask you if you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your alarm i can think of worse things in the world glad you got out of there before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun if i hear someone screwing with my car ie setting off the alarm and taunting me to come out you can be damn sure that my colt delta elite will also be coming with me its not the screwing with the car thatd get them shot its the potential physical danger if theyre taunting like that its very possible that they also intend to rob me and or do other physically harmful things if theyre just screwing around no harm done if theyre bent on mayhem they will receive the cure for their lead deficiency a 180gr injection 1200 fps theres no telling what todays violent criminals will do death may be the most pleasant outcome james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven baseball re winfields spot on the all time greats team in article 1993apr23 212201 18900 alleg edu luriem alleg edu michael lurie the liberalizer writes in article 9834 blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu david m tate writes in article c5wewd kto murdoch acc virginia edu drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu david robert walker writes in article 9729 blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu david m tate writes ielding rf of all time as far as anyone can tell i did a quick scan last night looking for players with a peak comparable to or better than winfield in my quick n dirty subjective judgement you could make good cases for ruth aaron ott robinson clemente kaline maris klein jackson waner and probably a few others this is not a knock on winfield but a comment on his consistency all of those other players had awesome stretches and very good stretches while winfield has been more uniformly excellent hall of fame absolutely top 10 peak im not so sure top 10 total career value yes almost certainly point taken when was winfields peak years anyway probably around 85 thats the trouble what peak years he wavers between excellent and very good with no real bell shaped pattern in there 1979 was a fine year 78 and 80 were merely really good with the yankees 84 i think was the best that was the one with the 340 ba of course 1992 wasnt bad either hes been in the bigs since 1973 with a one year intermission for surgery though he doesnt have the mix of skills that pete rose did hes like pete rose in one way hes not a natural hitter winfields swing used to be the ugliest thing in new york and that includes the gulf western building but his sheer athletic prowess and physical size made up for a lot fascinating player to watch even now not obviously great in any one way but able to do quite a few things in surprising ways and at surprising levels roger cars re warning please read in article c5h7qz kya boi hp com wesf boi hp com wes fujii writes brian larose larose austin cs utk edu wrote i never saw the guy the police said they thought the motive was to hit the car have us stop to check out the damage and then jump us and take the truck please be aware of folks and for your own good please dont stop sad this sort of thing is on the rise across the country south florida is getting a lot of national tv coverage on the subject where vacationers are being attacked and some killed in schemes similar to this make that worldwide coverage i know numerous people who were planning holidays to the florida and have now chosen another non us destination you expect this sort of thing perhaps in third world countries but not the us kevinh hasler ascom ch cars re manual shift bigots i prefer a manual to an automatic as it should be i believe that automatics should only be manufactured for people with physical disabilities who otherwise would not be able to drive automatic transmissions allow drivers to be lazy more time is available to fiddle with the radio or to look at the scenery instead of concentrating on the road the manual transmission keeps the drive always doing something granted it isnt a large movement plus driving should be fun driving a manual is fun driving an automatic is a chore in the case of shift speed automatics can be made to shift far faster that any human could move a stick if i was racing id want and automatic for normal driving go with the manual windows searching for a phonetic font im searching for a phonetic truetype font for windows 3 1 if anybody knows one please mail me thanks dw dipl inform dietmar weidlich ifado ardeystr 67 weidlich arb phys uni dortmund de d 4600 dortmund 50 phone 49 231 1084 250 dr b koennten sie das fax 49 231 1084 401 mal eben erledigen windows re why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse my original post subject re why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse i have a microsoft serial mouse and am using mouse com 8 00 was using 8 20 i think but switched to 8 00 to see if it was any better vertical motion is nice and smooth but horizontal motion is so bad i sometimes cant click on something because my mouse jumps around i can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit then jump to the right then move smoothly for a bit then jump again maybe this time to the left about 5 inch this is crazy i have never had so much trouble with a mouse before anyone have any solutions aha i think i found the problem and it isnt dirt another guy here was using a different kind of mouse and was using 640x400x16 video driver the default vga for windows he has an s3 localbus card like i do and when i loaded the s3 video driver in windows for him his mouse became jumpy too seems like it is the s3 driver is there any newer one than version 1 4 that would solve this problem it is really bad i have to use the keyboard instead sometimes the s3 w31 zip on cica is version 1 4 which is the same version that came with my card sean eckton computer support representative college of fine arts and communications d 406 hfac brigham young university provo ut 84602 801 378 3292 hfac csr byu edu ecktons ucs byu edu medicine pms can it be prevented by a diet change this question came up in sci med nutrition and im posting my answer here only 22 medical schools in the u s teach courses on human nutrition we have already seen what a lack of nutrition education can do when candida and kidney stones present themselves to the medical community i think that the best example of where u s medicine is really missing the mark when it comes to a knowledge of nutrition is pms so many women and their husbands suffer from this disorder that it is really criminal that most physicians in the u s are not taught that pms is primarily caused by diet and diet changes can prevent it from ever happpening before shooting your flames read the entire article and then decide if flaming is justified from a poster in sci medi nutrition in a psychological anthropology course i am taking we got sidetracked onto a short conversation about pms some rumors shared by several of the students included ideas that vitamin levels sugar intake and caffeine intake might affect pms symptoms is there any data on this or is it just so much hooey many thanks michael ive wanted to reply to this post ever since i saw it but i got side tracked with candida pms is a lot like candida blooms most physicians dont recognize it as a specific disease entity here is everything that you would ever want to know about pms premenstrual syndrome has been divided into four specific subgroups pmt a anxiety pmt d depression anxiety depression irritability forgetfulness insomnia confusion depression lethargy pmt c craving pmt h hyperhydration craving for sweets weight gain increased appetite breast congestion and tenderness sugar ingestion causes abdominal bloating and tenderness 1 headache edema of the face and extremities 2 palpitations 3 fatigue or fainting pmt a is characterized by elevated blood estrogen levels and low progesterone levels during the luteal phase of a womens cycle pmt c is caused by the ingestion of large amounts of refined simple carbohydrates during the luteal phase of a womens cycle there is increased glucose tolerance with a flat glucose curve after oral glucose challenge the metabolic findings believed to be responsible for pmt c are a low magnesium and a low prostaglandin e1 this condition of hypoglycemia is not unique to pms but there are a number of different causes of hypoglycemia magnesium and pge1 seem to be specific to pms hypoglycemia a am j psychiatry 147 4 477 80 1990 unrefined complex carbohydrate should be substituted for sugar magnesium supplementation and alpha linoleic acid supplementation increased to 5 6 of the total calories using safflower oil or evening primrose oil as sources of alpha linoleic acid pmt d is characterized by elevated progesterone levels during the midluteal phase of a womens cycle another cause of pmt d has been found to be lead toxicity in women without elevated progesterone levels during the midluteal phase effect of metal ions on the binding of estridol to human endometrial cystol fertil steril 28 312 18 1972 pmt h is associated with water and salt retention along with an elevated serum aldosterone level salt restriction b6 magnesium and vitamin e for breast tenderness have all been effective in treating pmt h this general discussion of the pms syndromes came form a management of the premenstrual tension sundromes rational for a nutritional approach 1986 a year in nutritional medicine j bland ed keats publishing 1986 b nutritional factors in the etiology of premenstrual tension syndromes j reprod med 28 7 446 64 1983 c premenstrual tension prob obstet gynecol 3 12 1 39 1980 treatment has traditionally involved progesterone administration if you can find a doctor who will treat you for pms just about as hard as finding one that will treat you for candida blooms while progesterone will work supplementation with vitamins and minerals works even better there really has been an awful lot of research done on pms much more than candida blooms many of these studies have been what are called experimental controlled studies the type of rigorous clinical studies that doctors like to see done here are a few of these studies carbohydrate experimental controlled study effect of a low fat high carbohydrate diet on symptoms of cyclical mastopathy lancet 2 128 32 1988 21 pts with severe persistent cyclical mastopathy of at least 5 years duration were randomly selected to receive specific training to reduce dietary fat to 15 of total calories and increase complex carbohydrate ingestion or given general dietary advise with no training after 6 months there was a significant reduction in the severity of the breast swelling and tenderness in the trained group as reported by self reported symptoms as well as physical exams which quantitated the degree of breast swelling tenderness and nodularity vitamin a experimental controlled study the use of vitamin a in premenstrual tension acta obstet gynecol scand 39 586 92 1960 218 pts with severe recurring pms received 200 000 to 300 000iu vitamin a daily or a placebo serum retinol levels were monitored and high dose supplementation was discontinued when evidence of toxicity occured serum retinol above 450ug ml the intent of the study was to load the liver up with vitamin a and get a normal pool size 500 000iu to 1 000 000iu and then see if this normal vitamin a pool could prevent pms 48 getting the high dose vitamin a had complete remission of the symptoms of pms only 10 getting the placebo reported getting complete relief of pms sysmptoms 10 of the vitamin a treated group reported no improvement in pms symptoms experimental controlled study premenstrual tension treated with vitamin a j clinical endocrinology 10 1579 89 1950 30 pts received 200 000iu of vitamin a daily starting on day 15 of their cycle with supplementation continuing until the onset of pms symptoms after 2 6 months all 30 pts reported a significant improvement in pms symptoms vitamin a supplementation was stopped once evidence of toxicity was demonstrated and all 30 pts were followed for one year after high dose vitamin a supplementation was stopped pms symptoms did not reoccur in any of these 30 pts for upto one year after the vitamin a supplementation was stopped most americans do not have a normal store of vitamin a in their liver these studies and several others were designed to see if getting a normal store of vitamin a into the liver could eliminate pms of all the vitamins given for pms vitamin a b6 and vitamin e vitamin a has shown the best single effect this is probably because vitamin a is involved in steroid estrogen progesterone metabolism in the liver getting your liver full of vitamin a seems to be one of the best things that you can do to prevent the symptoms of pms but vitamin a is toxic and you dont want to be trying to do this without being seen by a physician who can monitor you for vitamin a toxicity vitamin b6 experimental double blind crossoverr study pyridoxine vitamin b6 and the premenstrual syndrome a randomized crossover trial j r coll gen pract 39 364 68 1989 32 women aged 18 49 with moderate to severe pms randomly received 50mg b6 daily or placebo after 3 months the groups were switched and followed for another 3 months b6 had a significant effect on the emotional aspects of pms depression irritability and tiredness other symptoms of pms were not significanttly affected by b6 supplementation experimental double blind study the efects of vitamin b6 supplementation on premenstrual sysmptoms obstet gynecol 70 2 145 49 1987 55 pts with moderate to severe pms received 150mg b6 daily or placebo for 2 months analysis of convergence showed that b6 significantly improved premenstrual symptoms related to the autonomic nervous system dizziness and vomiting as well as behavior changes poor mental performance decreased social interaction anxiety depression and water retention were not improved by b6 supplementation vitamin b6 is below the rda for both american men and women birth control pills and over 40 different drugs increase the b6 requirement in man women on birth control pills should be supplemented with 10 15 mg of b6 per day the dose should be increased if symptoms of pms appear dr david r rubinow who heads the biological psychiatry branch of nimh was quoted in clin psychiatry news december 1987 as stating that b6 should be considered the first line drug for pms over progesterone and if the patient does not respond then other treatments should be tried vitamin b6 can be toxic nerve damage if consumed in doses of 500mg or more each day vitamin e experimental double blind study efficacy of alpha tocopherol in the treatment of premenstrual syndrome j reprod med 32 6 400 04 1987 35 pts received 400iu vitamin e daily for 3 cycles or a placebo vitamin e treated pts had 33 who reported a significant reduction in physical symptoms weight gain and breast tenderness while the placebo group had 14 who reported a significant reduction in physical symptoms the vitamin e group reported that 38 had a significant reduction in anxiety versus 12 for the placebo group for depression the vitamin e group had 27 with a significant decrease in depression compared with 8 for the placebo group experimental double blind study the effect of alpha tocopherol on premenstrual symptomalogy a double blind study j am coll nutr 2 2 115 122 1983 75pts with benign breast disease and pmt randomly received vitamin e at 75iu 150iu or 300iu daily or placebo after 2 months of supplementation 150iu of vitamin e or higher significantly improved pmt a and pmt c the 300iu dose was needed to significantly improve pmt d no dose of vitamin e significantly improved pmt h other studies have shown that a higher vitamin e doses will relieve pmt h symptoms magnesium experimental double blind study magnesium prophylaxis of menstrual migraine effects on itracellular magnesium headache 31 298 304 1991 20 pts with perimenstrual headache received 360 mg daily of magnesium as magnesium pyrrolidone carboxylic acid or a placebo treatment was started on the 15th day of the cycle and continued until menstruation after 2 months the pain total index was significantly lower in the magnesium group magnesium treatment was also assocoiated with a significant reduction in the menstrual distress questionnaire scores pretreatment magnesium levels in lymphocytes and polymorphonuclear leukocytes were significantly lower in this group of 20 pts compared to control women who did not suffer from pms after treatment magnesium levels in these cells was raised into the normal range experimental double blind study oral magnesium successfully relieves premenstrual mood changes obstet gynecol 78 2 177 81 1991 32pts aged 24 39 randomly received either magnesium carboxylic acid 360mg of mg per day or a placebo from the 15th day of the cycle to the onset of the menstrual flow after 2 cycles both groups received magnesium the menstrual distress questionnaire score of the cluster pain was significantly reduced during the second cycle month for the magnesium treatment group as well as the placebo group once they were switched to magnesium supplementation in addition the total score on the menstrual distress questionnaire was significantly decreased by magnesium supplementation the authors suggest that magnesium supplemenation should become a routine treatment for the mood changes that occur during pms there are numerous observational studies that have been published in the medical literature which also suggest that pms is primarily a disorder that arises out of a hormone imbalance that is dietary in nature but since observational studies are considered by most physicians in sci med to be anecdotal in nature i have not bothered to cite them there are also over a half dozen good experimental studies that have been done on multivitamin and mineral supplementation to prevent pms ive chosen the best specific studies on individual vitamins and minerals to try to point out that pms is primarily a nutritional disorder but doctors dont recognize nutritional disorders unless they can see clinical pathology beri beri pellagra scruvy etc pms is probably the best reason why every doctor being trained in the u s should get a good course on human nutrition pms is really only the tip if the iceberg when it comes to nutritional disorders its time that medicine woke up and smelled the roses heres some studies which show the importance in multivitamin mineral supplementation and or diet change in preventing pms experimental study effect of a nutritional programme on premenstrual syndrome a retrospective analysis complement med res 5 1 8 11 1991 200pts were given dietary instructions and supplemented with optivite r plus additional vitamin c vitamin e magnesium zinc and primrose oil the dietary instructions were to take the supplements and switch to a low fat complex carbohydrate diet on a retrospective analysis 96 5 of the 200pts reported an improvement in their pms symptoms with 30 of the sample stating that they no longer suffered from pms experimental double blind study role of nutrition in managing premenstrual tension syndromes j reprod med 32 6 405 22 1987 a low fat high complex carbohydrate diet along with optivite supplementation significantly decreased pms scores compared with diet change and placebo after 6 months on the experimental program the vitamin mineral supplementated group had significantly decreased estradiol and increased progesterone in serum during the midlutel phase of their cycle experimental double blind study clinical and biochemical effects of nutritional supplementation on the premenstrual syndrome j reprod med 32 6 435 41 1987 119pts randomly given optivite 12 tablets per day or a placebo the treated groups showed a significant decrease in pms symptoms compared to the placebo another group of 104pts got optivite 4 tablets per day or placebo for this second group of patients no significant effect of supplementation on pms symptoms was observed martin banschbach ph d professor of biochemistry and chairman department of biochemistry and microbiology osu college of osteopathic medicine 1111 w 17th st tulsa ok 74107 without discourse there is no remembering without remembering there is no learning without learning there is only ignorance medicine vasectomy health effects on women does anyone know of any studies done on the long term health effects of a mans vasectomy on his female partner ive seen plenty of study results about vasectomys effects on mens health but what about women for example might the wife of a vasectomized man become more at risk for say cervical cancer adverse effects from sperm antibodies changes in the vaginas ph yeast or bacterial infections outside of study results how about informed speculation thanks in advance for your help eric skagerberg eskagerb nermal santarosa edu santa rosa california telephone 707 573 1460 medicine re krillean photography in article 1rk5miinnkju usenet pa dec com stark dwovax enet dec com todd i stark writes yup the demonstration to which you refer consists of placing a leaf between the plates and taking a kirlian photograph of it you then cut off part of the leaf put the top plate back on and take another kirlian photograph you see pretty much the same image in both cases turns out the effect isnt nearly so striking if you take the trouble to clean the plates between photographs seems that the moisture from the leaf that you left on the place conducts electricity surprise surprise this is true but its not quite the whole story there were actually some people who were more careful in their methodology who also replicated the phantom leaf effect you can also replicate the effect with a rock take your first kirlian photograph then moisten one edge of the rock lo and behold phantom rock carl j lydick internet carl sol1 gps caltech edu nsi hepnet sol1 carl disclaimer hey i understand vaxen and vms thats what i get paid for my understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level or below so unless what im saying is directly related to vax vms dont hold me or my organization responsible for it if it is related to vax vms you can try to hold me responsible for it but my organization had nothing to do with it religion re what part of no dont you understand on 26 apr 93 in re what part of no dont user steve novak advtech uswe writes eeb1 midway uchicago edu writes steve novak writes because of course that possibility existed meaning any student who really gave a shit could have a moment of silence on his her own which makes more sense than forcing those who dont want to participate to have to take part what other reason is there for an organized moment of silence a moment of silence doesnt mean much unless everyone participates otherwise its not silent now is it the whole point is maybe everyone doesnt want to participate blindly opposing everything with a flavor of religion in it is utterly idiotic blindly opposing everything with a flavor of religion in it that is supported by taxpayer money is the only way to keep christianity from becoming the official u s religion not noticing that danger is utterly idiotic please provide evidence that having a moment of silence for a student who died tragically costs taxpayers money baseball re mike francesas 1993 predictions in article 1993apr5 123904 17806 porthos cc bellcore com dick1 herahera cc bellcore com vaughn richard writes in article 1993apr2 171819 1 ulkyvx louisville edu pjtier01 ulkyvx louisville edu writes in article 1993apr2 133703 28131 porthos cc bellcore com dick1 herahera cc bellcore com vaughn richard writes mike francesa mentioned his 93 baseball picks in passing on the radio yesterday being that this is francesa talkin the opinions are well worth consideration indeed after all he was the wizard foresaw the year of the big east in the ncaa tournament unfortunatly none of those teams made it into the sweet sixteen much less new orleans neither did he overall mike francesa has an outstanding prediction record overall how do you figure ignore him at your own peril so far my radio hasnt exploded from not being tuned to 660 roger medicine re great post was re candida yeast bloom very long in article noringc5wzm4 41n netcom com noring netcom com jon noring writes hate to wreck your elaborate theory but steve dyer is not an md so professional jealosy over doctors who help their patients with nystatin etc cant very well come into the picture steve doesnt have any patients response to specificially candida albicans and i showed a strong positive another question would everybody show the same strong positive so this test is essentially useless and assuming it is true that candida can grow yes everyone who is normal does that we use candida on the other arm when we put a tuberculin test on if people dont react to candida we assume the tb test was not conclusive since such people may not react to anything all normal people have antibodies to candida if not you would quickly turn into a fungus ball this brings up an interesting observation used by those who will deny and reject any and all aspects of the yeast hypothesis until the appropriate studies are done and that is if you cant observe or culture the yeast bloom in the gut or sinus then theres no way to diagnose or even recognize the disease and i know they realize that it is virtually impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body that cannot be easily observed since candida is everywhere in the body its a real catch 22 youve just discovered one of the requirements for a good quack theory find something that no one can disprove and then write a book saying it is the cause of whatever since no one can disprove it you can rake in the bucks for quite some time i have often wondered what an m d with chronic gi distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his patients is a non existent syndrome that is odd isnt it why do you suppose it is that mds with these common problems dont go for these crazy ideas does the professional jealosy extend to suffering in silence even though they know they could be cured if they just followed this quack book gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon medicine re cure for dry skin in article 1rmn0c 83v morrow stanford edu mou nova1 stanford edu alex mou writes hi all my skin is very dry in general but the most serious part is located from knees down the skin there looks like segmented the segmentation actually happens beneath the skin i would like to know if there is any cure for this at the supermarkets or pharmacies there are quite a lot of stuffs for dry skins but what to chose thanks in advance for all advices and hints reply by email preferred alex as a matter of fact i just saw a dermatologist the other day and while i was there i asked him about dry skin id been spending a small fortune on various creams lotions and other dry skin treatments he said all i needed was a large jar of vaseline soak in a lukewarm tub of water for 10 minutes only 10 minutes then massage in the vaseline to trap the moisture in that will help i havent tried it yet but you can bet i will the hard part will be finding the time to rub in the vaseline properly if its not done right you remain greasy and stick to your clothes try it its got to be cheaper then spending 30 for 8 oz of natural lotion jane guns change of name 1 make a new newsgroup called talk politics guns paranoid or talk politics guns theyr here to take me away 2 move all postings about waco and burn to guess where 3 stop posting on this newsgroup we are all so glad youre trying to save us from the evil goverment but would you mail this in regular mail to lets say 1000 people this is not a signature its merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil internet thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no windows windows 3 1 slower using dos 6 adam benson mt pearl nf adamb garfield cs mun ca baseball re lots of runs in rec sport baseball crosen1 ua1vm ua edu charles rosen writes i have noticed that this year has had a lot of high scoring games at least the nl has i believe one reason are the expansion teams any thoughts except for the fact that there seems to be a lot of high scoring al games also and i dont think the expansion teams directly affect them k scott day kday oasys dt navy mil carderock division naval surface warfare center code 1252 bethesda maryland 20084 5000 the point to remember is that what the government gives it must first take away john s coleman cars thinking about buying intrepid good or bad idea im thinking of buying a new dodge intrepid has anyone had any experiences that theyd like to share thanks bobc medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr20 125920 15005 ircam fr francis ircam fr joseph francis writes in article 1993apr19 205615 1013 unlv edu todamhyp charles unlv edu brian m huey writes i think thats the correct spelling crullerian how about kirlian imaging i believe the faq for sci skeptics sp has a nice write up on this they would certainly be most supportive on helping you to build such a device and connect to a 120kvolt supply so that you can take a serious look at your aura filipe santos cern european laboratory for particle physics switzerland medicine re update help was what is this is it lymes in article 1993mar24 182145 11004 equator com jod equator com john setel odonnell writes imho you have lyme disease i told you this in private email and predicted that you might next start having the migrating pains and further joint imho the original poster has no business soliciting diagnoses off the net nor does dr mr odonnell have any business supplying same this is one major reason real physicians avoid this newsgroup like the plague it is also another example of the double standard if i as a physician offered to diagnose and treat on the net i can be sued but people without qualifications are free to do whatever they want and disclaim it all with im not a doctor get and keep this crap off the net period km guns re h r 893 in article c5qeqv 1px cbnews cb att com lvc cbnews cb att com larry cipriani writes posting the text of h r 893 8 s 1 a it shall be unlawful for any person to pos 9 sess an assault weapon unless the weapon was lawfully page break 1 and continuously possessed by the person since before the 2 date of the enactment of this subsection ob ill wind and all that with bill the prez in there at least the anti gunners are out of the closet the provision that any existing so called assault weapons die with their current owners was worked into h r 3371 102nd congress bill number a couple of years ago in a complicated way that the antis claimed was a drafting error cant call em lying bastards any longer not all the time gridlock the only mechanism ever to succeed in slowing down the growth rate of big government baseball re and americas team is but why in article kingoz 735066879 camelot kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well officially its the braves at least up until they started winning it was are they still officially if so why and how did they receive this label unoffically but without a doubt americas team is the cubs why well my guess is because america loves underdogs every year no matter the cubs talent or the predictions they never as close to never as possible win anything over the years as the losing has mounted america has fallen in love with these perennial losers the cubs have more fans in chicago then some teams do worldwide the cubs have more fans worldwide than most of the teams in their division combined an aura of excitement surrounds the cubs at the beginning of the season like no one else including the ws champs it must be that eternal hope this is the year theyve got the talent theyre off to a good start theyve got the pitching or hitting or whatever their strong point is at the time its that inevitability that the cubs will eventually win the ws again when only god knows since its been so long it could come at any time or it could be another 85 years but until they do finally win and start winning consistently the cubs will remain americas lovable underdogs the cubs are americas team orin bradley u im really a jester in disguise you are absolutely correct braves fans are nothing but a bunch of bandwagoners correct me if i am wrong but 4 or 5 years ago you couldnt give away a ticket to see the braves play i would bet my next paycheck that 80 of the so called braves fans living outside of georgia at the present time can not name more than 3 players from their 1988 season on the other hand ask any cubs fan living anywhere in the united states to name 3 players from any given year and 80 of them probably could granted the fact that a team wins brings people to the ball park but that does not mean they diserve the title americas team the only reason they are considered americas team is because of ted turner and his little tv station which broadcasts across the nation ill consider toronto americas team before the braves go reds chris babbitt 00cgbabbitt leo bsuvc bsu edu all i want in life is a woman to love and a woman to care for my kids hopefully the two will never meet windows re head to head win and os 2 in article 1993may15 030210 4755 ccsvax sfasu edu z shererrg ccsvax sfasu edu writes after hearing endless debate read name calling over which os is better dos and windows or os 2 and finally having enought resourses to play with a couple of different operating systems i have decided to put the two products to a head to head test as so many fellow newsposters have suggested i have however no desire whatsoever to use a version of os 2 which wont really do what it says i e run windows apps os 2 2 0 2 1 will not run windows apps in 386 enhansed mode something that most larger windows apps require but os 2 2 2 which is supposed to be in beta test is supposed to i have heard that os 2 2 2 beta is available via ftp and i was wondering if anyone knew where to obtain a copy i would appreciate any information as i would like once and for all to establish for myself which is the best os for my needs robbie z shererrg sfasu edu if you wait until may the 18th you will be able to buy the new os 2 2 1 since it will be released at comdex that day it will run windows 3 1 apps and windows enh mode if you cant wait then you can ftp a 6 months old beta version from ftp os2 nmsu edu but this version is probably a lot slower than the final product when you do your test please have in mind that a single tasking system will always be faster at doing one task the real power of os2 lies in the multitasking and cant really be measured by a stopwatch happy benchmarking hans the whales of the atlantic and the people of the faroe islands have coexisted in perfect harmony for the last 1000 years no matter what any urban navel contamplator without any real relation to the coherence of the nature says guns re riddle me this in article 1r1lp1inn752 mojo eng umd edu chuck eng umd edu chuck harris wa3uqv writes if so why was cs often employed against tunnels in vietnam cs tear gas was used in vietnam because it makes you wretch so hard that your stomach comes out thru your throat well not quite that bad but you cant really do much to defend yourself while you are blowing cookies i think the is bz gas not cs or cn bz gas exposure results in projectile vomiting loss of essentially all muscle control inability to concentrate or think rationally and fatal reactions in a significant fraction of the population for that reason its use is limited to military applications frank crary cu boulder windows re why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse in article c638zs pr cs vu nl wlieftin cs vu nl liefting w writes ecktons ucs byu edu sean eckton writes i have a microsoft serial mouse and am using mouse com 8 00 was using 8 20 i think but switched to 8 00 to see if it was any better vertical motion is nice and smooth but horizontal motion is so bad i sometimes cant click on something because my mouse jumps around i can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit then jump to the right then move smoothly for a bit then jump again maybe this time to the left about 5 inch this is crazy i have never had so much trouble with a mouse before anyone have any solutions does microsoft think they are what everyone should be just venting steam i think i have the same problem i think it is caused by the rubber ball in the mouse which doesnt roll so smooth the detectors in the mouse notice this and whoops i hit a mine using minesweeper i think the solution will be buying a new mouse and or using a mouse pad wouter and or taking the rubber ball out of the mouse should be directions in the manual or on the bottom of the mouse and cleaning it with alcohol isopropyl i believe the same alcohol as used for cleaning your cassette deck this is good to do every so often even if you have a mouse pad dust still gets caught in the mouse and on the rubber ball as well lint and other garbage may find its way onto the rubber ball and get into the mouse damaging the horizontal and vertical sensors hope this helps good luck sincerely robert kayman kayman cs stanford edu or cpa cs stanford edu in theory theory and practice are the same in practice they are not you mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision revised windows re why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse in article 1993apr23 140123 5018 cti com rlister cti com russell lister writes ecktons ucs byu edu sean eckton writes i have a microsoft serial mouse and am using mouse com 8 00 was using 8 20 i think but switched to 8 00 to see if it was any better vertical motion is nice and smooth but horizontal motion is so bad i sometimes cant click on something because my mouse jumps around i can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit then jump to the right then move smoothly for a bit then jump again maybe this time to the left about 5 inch this is crazy i have never had so much trouble with a mouse before anyone have any solutions does microsoft think they are what everyone should be just venting steam i had the same problem at first i thought it was the video driver and made sure i had the most current drivers because the problem was most evident at svga resolution modes it didnt help and after a bit of experimentation determined that the problem existed in standard vga resolution mode it was just much less noticeable my mouse was an older ms serial version i bought second hand in 1990 it worked just fine in dos and dos based graphic applications on the guess that the problem was with the resolution of the mouse i borrowed a new mouse a ms bus model and tried it that solved the problem so if your mouse is old you may want to try replacing it for a newer one another alternative is to clean the mouse youve got sometimes the rollers inside the mouse pick up a ball of lint or other debris open the bottom of the mouse take out the ball and use some alcohol on a q tip to clean it out inspect the inside for any hairs or fuzz i have had my mouse get real jumpy and cleared up the problem with this procedure medicine re use of haldol and the elderly im a nursing student and i would like to respond to 66966 on haldol and the elderly message id 25apr199316225142 fsphy1 physics fsu edu organization florida state university school of higher thought news software vax vms vnews 1 4 b1 first im sorry to hear that you have had to see your grandmother go through this i know it has to have been tough there are many things that can cause long term confusion in elderly adults the change in environment can cause problems anesthetic agents can cause confusion because the body cannot clear the medicines out of the body as easily in addition medications and interactions between medications can cause confusion as far as whether or not haldol can have long lasting effects even after the drug has been discontinued i do not know i have not seen anything to that effect however i also had not been looking for that information i can see what i can find i can tell you that haldol is an antipsychotic drug and according to the nursing93 drug handbook it is especially useful for agitation associated with senile dementia p 400 it also should not be discontinued abruptly it did not say anything about long lasting effects because so many things can cause confusion it is hard for me to know what else was going on at the time if i had more history i might be able to answer you better if you want to send me e mail with more information i would be happy to try to help you piece together what might have happened elisa picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu cars re too fast jimf centerline com jim frost writes there are a few things to keep in mind about europe since you brought it up my autobahn knowledge is admittedly second hand but i believe the following to be true my knowledge about driving in the u s is also second hand but i think i can correct your statements about our autobahn 1 drivers are much better disciplined in europe than they are here oh yeah that would be paradise in fact you can forget it from all ive heard from my u s relatives drivers esp here in germany are much more agg ressive but not disciplined one of my relatives a l a resident hired a car at the nuernberg airport and went about 18 miles to our home he said then that he grew about 1 year older during this ride and swore hed never drive a car in germany again this was in 1982 and he kept his promise the situation now is even worse as effect of the increased volume of traffic what you mean by better disciplined should perhaps be considered cautious due to fear when driving around here you always have to take into consideration that the majority of the other drivers absolutely relies on you they expect that nobody fails or sleeps many of them exploit this by driving as fast as their car can go of course only where that is allowed you might think dream on so any mistake you make is a very high risk to your health and if youre ex posed to such a situation from your very first day as a driver you learn to handle it or you lose thats the way i and most people i know experience our traffic situation whether you think this is pleasant or efficient is up to you i think we handle a very high volume of traffic and that at high speeds with modest compared to the volume and decreasing rates of lethal accidents otoh more and more people esp women dislike driving because they feel overtaxed and threatened and each accident is one accident too much 2 the roads comprising the autobahn are much better designed than they are here and usually include animal fences this makes them far more predictable than most us highways better designed and maintained may be but animal fences are very rare auto bahnen and many other streets have guard rails i hope thats the right word a plank made from thick steel sheet fixed on uprights its about 2 feet high those guard rails are designed for keeping vehicles on the road smaller animals can crawl under the plank bigger ones can easily jump over it the point is that esp larger animals are very rare in germany they tend also to be very timid accidents caused by animals are a neglegible danger 3 not all of europe is the autobahn most places in europe have speed limits that arent out of line with what we used to have in the us if my friends werent lying to me theyre typically not much higher than 120km h youre right there are speed linits even on the major part of the autobahn but the attitude towards driving see above seems to be very similar to that in germany ive been in france switzerland italy austria spain belgium the netherlands besides that you really cant rely on the residents abiding the local speed limits ive got quite a lot of practise 120k miles and im used to travel at 130 mph fyi with a car even smaller than a rabbit but i consider driving on the highways round paris or milano really a thrill i strongly suspect you wont find a lot of rabbit owners doing 120mph nearly 200km h on the autobahn but i could be wrong sorry but youll find quite a lot rabbit class car or even smaller mine is a peugeot 205 owners going that fast small cars with much hp are very hip over here and most people buying such cars arent afraid to let them run some people have no respect for their own lives i disagree the size or weight of a car is rather irrelevant formula 1 cars weigh less than 700 kg and the drivers have a chance to survive accidents at 130 mph or higher otoh when crashing against a solid object at 130 mph it makes no difference whether you sit in a porsche a mercedes a tank or on a bicycle yourre dead bye stefan stefan dalibor dalibor immd3 uni erlangen de and now for the next case in kangaroo court i accuse you of being the reincarnation of adolf hitler i dont think that mere denials will be sufficient you will have to submit to examinations by a parapsychologist that i personally select perry metzger pmetzger shearson com in article 2074 in news admin policy guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors brent irvine irvine uxh cso uiuc edu wrote failed to mention the davidians pouring kerosene all over and lighting it in plain view brent im still waiting to see if there are any evidence of how the fire got started so im not going to tell you who did it as far as you keep talking about the davidians pouring kerosene all over stop and think for a second if it is possible the stove or lamp was knocked over and started a fire and the davidians were pouring water on it wrong solution but i doubt i can do much better in their states of mind to try to put it out by the way just how far where you standing from the davidians when you saw them setting the place on fire oh in case you are new in town microwave ovens doesnt work very well when theres no electricty 0 get some facts before you post next time f chiu religion 26 apr 93 gods promise in matthew 5 6 blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness for they will be filled matthew 5 6 niv cars re too fast in article 1qqv7k e5g usenet ins cwru edu aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer writes in a previous article callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison says in article 1qn4ev 3g2 usenet ins cwru edu aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer writes in a previous article wrat unisql uucp wharfie says that shows how much you know about anything the brakes on the sho are very different 9 inch or 9 5 i forget discs all around vented in front the normal taurus setup is smaller discs front drums rear one i saw had vented rears too it was on a lot of course the sales man was a fool titanium wheels yeah right then later told me they were magnesium more believable but still crap since al is so m uch cheaper and just as good i tend to agree tho that this still doesnt take the sho up to standard for running 130 on a regular basis the brakes should be bigger like 11 or so take a look at the ones on the corrados where they have braking regulations well lets see my t bird sc has a computer controlled adjustable suspension 4 wheel abs disks 11 vented front 10 rear 3 point rears also vented belts sturdy passenger compartment aerodynamics good enough for nascar without too much change 210 hp 310 ft lb supercharged 3 8l v6 4 wheel independent suspension plus limited slip differential with a top speed in excess of 130mph and rides on v rated tires i have yet to find 225 60 r16s in any other speed rating is that up to standard if not why not james i really hate to do this but try reading the damn posts then you shouldntve done it try answering the damn question i am well aware of the fact that there was no mention of the sc in there never was a tbird mentioned the discussion was about shos and stangs not being up to spec i do not know about tbirds i only know that the specs quoted for the sho by previous poster sounded a little anemic for me to say that it was up to snuff this does not kn any way disencourage me from wishing to own one nor does it make it a bad car it merely means that i think ford could have added that extra bit of safety and tossed in larger brakes as the wheels are plenty large enough for them to fit if memory serves right which it may very well not and the motor plenty powerful enough to need it well my point was that the sc and the sho both have very similar characteristics front and rear disks abs on the sho high output v6 4 wheel independent suspension very good aerodynamics 3 point harness fat rubber and 130mph top speed if one of them is up to standard and i think the sc is but the other isnt then why is that no flamage just curiousity james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr15 190711 22190 walter bellcore com jchen wind bellcore com jason chen writes in article 1993apr15 135941 16105 lmpsbbs comm mot com dougb comm mot com doug bank writes i woke up at 2 am and puked my guts outs i threw up for so long that im not kidding i pulled a muscle in my tongue dry heaves and everything no one else got sick and im not allergic to anything that i know of the funny thing is the personaly stories about reactions to msg vary so greatly some said that their heart beat speeded up with flush face some claim their heart skipped beats once in a while some reacted with headache some stomach ache some had watery eyes or running nose some had itchy skin or rashes more serious accusations include respiration difficulty and brain damage now here is a new one vomiting my guess is that msg becomes the number one suspect of any problem in this case it might be just food poisoning but if you heard things about msg you may think it must be it surprise surprise different people react differently to different things one slightly off the subject case in point my brother got stung by a bee i know he is allergic to bee stings but that his reaction is severe localized swelling not anaphylactic shock i could not convince the doctors of that however because thats not written in their little rule book i would not be surprised in the least to find out the some people have bad reactions to msg including headaches stomachaches and even vomiting not that the stuff is bad or poison and needs to be banned but people need to be aware that it can have a bad effect on some people lone wolf happy are they who dream dreams ed philips and pay the price to see them come true slyx0 cc usu edu unknown cars cleaning eurowiper boots i have the eurowiper boots in white and had to throw away the first pair since i found no way of cleaning them after they looked almost black now i have my second pair of white ones and once again they are dirty i need a way to clean them w o removing them since i had to cut them to remove them is there a way or should i just buy black ones thanks joel joel sprechman sprec j acsu buffalo edu university at buffalo v069pff7 ubvms cc buffalo edu its not a black white thing its a homosapian thing it takes a big man to cry and an even bigger man to laugh at that man jack handy cars re what is volvo and all of these cars are driven fairly hard none of them are at the head of a line of cars going 30 mph the first two spend a lot of their operating life with the speedometer pegged and the only reason the 84 doesnt is it has a 120 mph speedo what i want to know is have all you people who hate volvos been traumatized by someone in a 745 turbo wagon blowing you away on the road or what 740 turbo in uk was good for 124mph useful for blowing away vw beetles though i believe the beetle corners better i can say without any doubt that i have never been blown away by any volvo ever ive been blocked into a few car parks though by shit head volvo owners who only thought theyd be a few minutes this does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car not sure how long the small shit box volvos last too damn long the worst car i ever drove was a hired 340 in power handling and ride it was reminiscent of something from the 50s without the character the 340 only ceased production a couple of years back ive only been a passenger in the big volvos but that was enough i ought to go for a test drive because they offer some neat gifts guns clipper chip i thought that the clipper chip that was posted to t p g sorry i lost the original post was a joke i really did i didnt believe it for a second but on the way to work this morning i heard about it on npr this scares me almost as much as the doublespeak emanating from the fbi and batf in waco paul eric stoufflet columbia presbyterian medical center internet pes3 cunixf cc columbia edu all opinions are my own religion re question for those with popular morality in article 1993apr03 044958 15500 microsoft com bobsarv microsoft com bob sarver writes understand what the words mean someone who inflicts pain on themselves because they enjoy it is a masochist and no there is nothing wrong with it you may think its gross or bizarre and i might agree with you here but my your disgust is not equal to it being morally wrong hudson if someone inflicts pain on themselves whether they enjoy it or not they are hurting themselves they may be permanently damaging their body that is true it is also none of your business some people may also reason that by reading the bible and being a xtian you are permanently damaging your brain by your logic it would be ok for them to come into your home take away your bible and send you off to re education camps to save your mind from ruin are you ready for that hudson and why is there nothing wrong with it because you say so who gave you the authority to say that and set the standard for morality why because i am a living thinking person able to make choices for myself i do not need you to show me what you think is the way i have observed too many errors in your thinking already to trust you to make up the rules for me because i set the standard for my own morality and i permit you to do the same for yourself i also do not try to force you to accept my rules because simply because you dont like what other people are doing doesnt give you the right to stop it hudson we are all aware that you would like for everyone to be like you however it is obnoxious arrogant thinking like yours the i know im morally right so i can force it on you bullshit that has brought us religious wars pogroms against jews gay bashing and other atrocities by other people who like you knew they were morally right me what is it with you hudson you think you know better than other people so you want to be able to tell them what they can and cannot do to themselves who died and made you god how come i cant do the same thing hudson arent you arent you indicating that i should not tell other people what to do arent you telling me it is wrong for me to do that it is not a moral standard that i am presenting you with hudson it is a key to getting along in life with other people it is also a point of respect i trust other people to be intelligent enough to make their own choices and i expect the same to be returned you on the other hand do not trust them and want to make the choice for them whether they like it or not it is also a way to avoid an inconsistency if you believe that you have the right to set moral standards for others and interfere in their lives then you must by logic admit that other people have the same right of interference in your life yes i know you will say that your religion is correct and tells you that only agents acting in behalf of your religion have the right of interference however other people will say that you have misinterpreted the word of god and that they are the actual true believers and that you are acting on your own authority and so it goes hudson who gave you the authority to set such a moral standard for me to tell me that i cannot set a moral standard for others you can set all the standards that you want actually but dont be surprised if people dont follow you like rats after the pied piper at the most basic form i am not going to let you tell me what to do and if necessary i will beat you to a bloody pulp before i let you actually interfere in my life now at a more humane level than that i recognize that all people are sentient beings possessed of intelligence and capable of reason i also recognize that they like i appreciate being treated with respect and allowed to make their own decisions windows re why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse ecktons ucs byu edu sean eckton writes i have a microsoft serial mouse and am using mouse com 8 00 was using 8 20 i think but switched to 8 00 to see if it was any better vertical motion is nice and smooth but horizontal motion is so bad i sometimes cant click on something because my mouse jumps around i can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit then jump to the right then move smoothly for a bit then jump again maybe this time to the left about 5 inch this is crazy i have never had so much trouble with a mouse before anyone have any solutions here is another hint i have a really jumping mouse ps2 type and finally the mouse stops jump changing himem sys yes himem is you use device himem sys m x x can be 1 2 8 of course my computer dont appear on the list for these parameter and maybe your mouse can stop jump but your problem looks more like a dirty mouse hope it help to anybody alejandro cifuentes h acifuent isluga puc cl guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 93112 153005mgb slacvm slac stanford edu mgb slacvm slac stanford edu writes from a p according to numerous accounts by those in the compound the fire was started by an armoured vehicle crushing a large propane tank and turning over numerous gas lanterns medical examiners have found no bullet wounds as was stated by the fbi on the corpses i find it tremendously chilling that so many people seem willing to accept the governments story despite much evidence to the contrary but then again that is how mr clinton was elected by people who believe that his campaign promisses would be respected by him once he got into office if people will believe that of any politican it is little wonder they will believe all of the factoids being given out as fact by the clinton reno fbi batf confederation cnn reported tonight that some bodies were found with bullet holes in their heads however i have no information on the possible causes this is not to say that government stories are to be taken at the face value in this case but to jump to conclusion at this stage may be the source of embarrassment in the future lets be paranoic this may be a ploy to smoke out the opposition and decredit them comparison of this incidence to tienanmen square is made in soc culture china just in case you need more ammunition to shoot at each other no matter which side you are on this waco issue are you ready to die defending your cause peace be with you pete baseball re re re all time best players in article 1993apr21 120525 1 tesla njit edu drm6640 tesla njit edu writes overall career 1 don mattingly 2 don mattingly 3 don mattingly 4 don mattingly 5 don mattingly 6 don mattingly 7 don mattingly 8 don mattingly 9 don mattingly 10 don mattingly 11 don mattingly wanna go to a game sometime jesus christ boy have you not heard of the real all time best steve balboni now thats yankee pride cars review 1989 ford taurus sho review of 1989 ford taurus sho by gene kim background last week i bought a 1989 ford taurus sho moving up from driving a 1987 toyota celica st and a 1975 oldsmobile cutlass i have been interested in buying a sho for about five months and have been combing the classifieds in denver and chicago every week i bought a remarkably clean maroon red sho with 92k miles on it for 6800 as far as i can tell this is about 2000 under blue book and i still have another 8000 miles before the extended service plan runs out as one should with any pre 1991 shos i made sure that the car was already refit with the upgraded clutch and pressure plate as well as having been recalled for upgraded rotors and seatbelt attachments however my sho does not have the newer rod shifter i understand i can get this for 230 from any ford service center in addition the car received the full tune up at 60k miles receiving new platinum plugs and valve adjustment for a car with 92k miles on it the car was virtually immaculate the clearcoat paint job was devoid of any large chips or dents although the front air dam molding was covered with lots of small scratches not surprising since most of the miles were spent on the highway having driven a smaller two door coupe for so long i was a bit concerned about whether i could get used to driving a larger car to my surprise the size of the car doesnt bother me at all it seems just as nimble as my celica no comparisons with my oldsmobile visibility from the drivers seat is excellent helped mostly by of the small the quarter windows aft of the back seat door windows and in front of the c pillar and rear window parallel parking is a bit more difficult but other than that i love the size in fact im starting to appreciate the large trunk as i pack up for a 14 hour drive to washington dc for the summer more on the ride later in this review engine as with anyone even slightly interested in shos i was very interested in the 24 valve 3 0l yamaha shogun engine i was not disappointed base performance of the engine under 4000 rpms is good you can even do reasonable launches from second gear although i dont make a practice of this the engine revs smoothly and eagerly tooling around town does not require many shifts this is good since the shifter is definitely one of the weakest points of the car more on this later while the performance of the engine under 4000 rpms may be unremarkable it undergoes a jekyll hyde transformation once you hit higher revs at 4500 rpms a butterfly valve opens and you can literally hear and feel the geometry of the engine changing as twelve more valves open up the engine soars to its 7000 rpm redline and you are treated to in my opinion the sweetest sounding v6 around the engine inexplicably sounds overjoyed to be at 6500 rpm ive noticed that when i drive around town i constantly watch the tach to see how far below 4000 rpm i am to go from 2000 rpm to 4000 you may have to punch the accelerator while torque is more than adequate it doesnt come fully online until those other 12 valves are used transmission when car and driver first reviewed the car in 1988 they marvelled at how ford had put such a wimpy clutch and balky shifter into the car i remember driving a friends parents sho in 1990 and remember thinking about whether i had the leg strength to drive the car in traffic the clutch was that stiff that was back then the entire clutch assembly on my sho has been replaced under a ford recall in 1991 the clutch on the sho feels no stiffer than the one on my toyota celica in fact the friction point seems a bit larger and more forgiving when playing with the shifter with the car parked the shifter felt very reasonable the 1 2 and 3 4 gates were where youd expect it to be and the shifting action was smooth on the road its much the same but you have to shift slowly make no mistake its a clumsy shifter when hurrying shifts like when i was initially trying to impress friends i consistently miss the 1 2 shift often grope clumsily for the 2 3 shift and sometimes even muff the 3 4 shift i find this pretty amazing in a car like this it also took me several days to realize that you get the smoothest shifts when you take your time seems obvious but compared to my toyota and my friends honda this seems atrocious and clumsy someone on rec autos noted that crxs should blow shos off the line because of the incredibly clumsy shifter i now shift much more sedately and the shifter seems more reasonable when you play within these bounds the shifter works smoothly with no surprises i dont know whether the rod shifter upgrade would help at all along these same lines i initially had trouble shifting gears smoothly again slowing down the shifts and taking more care to match revs when letting out the clutch helped immensely this took several days for me to get the hang of i think some of my problems were because ive never had a car with enough power to balk at bad shifts in higher gears occasionally i have trouble shifting into reverse the shifter refuses to enter the gate and i often grind the synchros trying to get it into gear ill be watching this carefully in the next couple of months a quirk when i upshift and the engine drops back to 1000 2500 rpm i hear a whirring and then a grinding noise coming from the the engine compartment not terribly loud but the passenger can definitely hear it i asked about it when i was looking at the car as do all my passengers apparently this is a definitely a sho sound and is the gearbox apparently called gear rollover replies to my queries on rec autos are at the end of this review exterior as i mentioned before i am astounded by how well the body of this sho has stood up paint chipping on the front bumper and grille are virtually non existent looking at how older tauri sometimes dont age so gracefully i wonder what the guys at ford did differently to the sho bodies the body in my opinion is extremely attractive with matching color body moldings than the stock tauri for some odd reason the sho seems different enough from vanilla tauri to get stares at stoplights of course this could be my overactive imagination shos get fog lights a more open grille a completely monochromatic exterior and a deeper ground skirt in the back with sho stenciled in relief ive seen a couple shos whose owners have colored these in with florescent colors or in black yuck i dont think the car is flashy i like it that way i feel almost anonymous with all those tauri out there but different and distinctive enough to those of us who care interior the interior is what really makes me feel like i dont deserve the car the seats are grey leather the steering wheel and shifter are covered with black leather and the entire instrument panel is done in a black grey metallic scheme the instrumentation is stock taurus except for the 140 mph speedo and 8000 rpm tach you get a center console with two cupholders a large compartment under the radio great for a cd player an armrest that contains yet another compartment three appropriately sized coin holders for tollways i think and a compartment for holding cassette tapes theres map holders in the doors and an oddly small glove compartment i spilled a whole can of coke in the cupholder and was delighted to find that the entire rubber holder can be removed and washed in a sink hey im really impressed with the ergonomics and thoughtfulness that went into its design and its a 1989 before the interior was upgraded the backseat is bigger than any car ive had why do they need so much space no smart ass comments please the driver and passenger seat have lumbar and side bolsters from what i hear its not uncommon for the side bolsters to show wear mine is no exception the left side bolster on the drivers has cracked and im not convinced the right bolster is inflating all the way a big surprise for me i forgot that shos dont have a normal hand parking brake instead they have the regular parking brake that you press with your left foot too bad again im getting used to it but it seems a bit anachronistic to me ride the suspension is nice and stiff too stiff its stiffer than any car ive had a friends new 1993 toyota celica st seems tauter and is still able to soak up bumps better the sho seems stiffer with less ability to soak up bumps driving over railroad tracks is a noisy and jarring affair on the other hand taking turns feels wonderful because the body is so rigid and doesnt flex at all i listened for that before i bought the car on the highway the ride is great when i drove the car from chicago back to purdue i had trouble keeping under 85 mph let alone from trying to see what 100 mph really feels like its a relatively quiet ride but the sunroof rattles ive tried to find out what exactly makes all the noise up there but it seems to be the window that rests on the rails no easy way to get rid of it i think over the past three days ive oscillated between thinking the suspension is wonderful and perfect and thinking that the ride is way too rough not for me mind you but i wonder whether i would advise my dad to buy one for himself but ive discovered as with the shifter if you take your time with shifts youll have no reason to complain let me explain the ride is worst when turning and applying lots of power to the wheels i feel the wheels scrabbling for traction and torque steer making the car skitter left and right after i understood this i avoid the limits of traction and im a happy camper again its not body rigidity but the composure of the car as if matching the suspension the steering feel is quite heavy my first impression of driving my sho was how hard you had to turn the wheel at highway speeds it tracks straight as an arrow but when driving around a parking lot the high effort steering didnt seem so useful however its reasonable but it doesnt communicate the road to the driver as well as a 1993 ford probe gt imho its much better than the steering on my celica st i wonder how bad this car is during winter miscellaneous notes gripes the rattles from the sunroof is intermittent some days it rattles loudly other days i look up wondering where all the noise went activating the sunroof is sometimes very noisy loud squealing as it retracts on its rails i wonder if there is a quick fix for this again other days it completely disappears function of humidity once i made the connection between the sometimes awful feeling suspension and torque steer ive never complained about ride i wish the seats had more support under the thighs also i wish the side bolsters would close more tightly i hear that tires for this car can get really expensive i currently have goodyear gt 4s that cost the previous owner 500 for four i used to hate the ford stereo systems whose idea was it to use a volume paddle now to my amazement i dont really mind and sometimes think its an okay idea pretty ridiculous though getting up to 4000 rpm sometimes seems to be a chore but this is no big deal there is more than enough torque down low i often goof up the shifting when driving with friends it took me a couple of days before i could really shift smoothly from 2nd to 3rd gear hard to believe isnt it my car has almost 93 000 miles on it my parents noted that it is almost impossible to find a low mileage sho astute observation imho i wonder how long i can make my sho last i just bought a book titled drive it forever for tips in this department the goofy parking brake pedal still throws me for a loop i once parked the car in gear and then accidentally let out the clutch after i started it the car jolted forward and bounced off the car in front of me no paint damage at all but starting the car is a whole new ritual for me with that fangled pedal also i began to wonder how strong that brake really is today i backed out of parking spot today and started to drive away before i noticed the glowing brake light oops the drivers power window creaks when closed all the way the same thing happens in my parents 1989 mercury sable oddly all the other windows work smoothly likes im liking the interior amenities more and more each day the cupholders are great i didnt expect to use the keyless entry buttons so much but it really is handy you can lock all the doors by pressing the 7 8 and 9 10 buttons together neat and you can never lock yourself out of the car i really feel like i dont deserve this car i really cant believe that i could afford it i got this car ten years ahead of schedule i love this car so much that ive been telling my parents to look into buying one i love this car so much that i wrote this 13k file i meant to write a couple of lines and ended up with this if there were a j d powers survey for used car owners i would have an opportunity to express my incredible satisfaction of owning this car i dont like thinking about getting another car but at this point in time im sure id buy another sho for under 7000 you cant beat it next time with an airbag and abs though insurance wise this car is also a big win i pay the same premiums as on my 1987 toyota celica despite that it has nearly twice the horsepower other odds and ends much to my amazement there is no sho mailing list anywhere maybe because the sho registry publication has filled this void i havent joined yet but ive noticed that queries about shos still appear on rec autos about once a month owners of shos are always quick to respond and are very vocal fans of the cars maybe some of the most vocal on rec autos ive put together the responses to my questions about the cars as well as other posts with useful information on these cars ill be posting this in the form of a faq soon if anyone is interested in starting a mailing list please speak up i dont know if i have the resources here at purdue to start one but maybe someone out there does gene kim genek mentor cc purdue edu baseball players overpaid theres a lot of whining about how much players are overpaid i thought id put together an underpaid team that could win a pennant i splurged and let four of the players earn as much as half a million dollars the highest paid player is frank thomas at 900k i cut some players like kenny lofton chris hoiles keith mitchell tim wakefield and a bunch of pitchers all of whom could have arguably made the team better at a cost of 1 million for the lot of them the total team salary is 7 781 500 averaging slightly over 300k a player if thats too steep you can dump thomas and bagwell replacing them with paul sorrento and a minimum wager to save a bit over a million dollars and still have one of the best teams in the majors p juan guzman 500 p mussina 400 p castillo 250 p eldred 175 p rhodes 155 p militello 118 rp rojas 300 rp beck 250 rp melendez 235 rp hernandez 185 rp nied 150 c rodriguez 275 c piazza 126 1b thomas 900 1b bagwell 655 2b knoblauch 500 2b barberie 190 3b gomez 312 5 3b palmer 250 ss listach 350 ss pena 170 lf gonzalez 525 cf lankford 290 rf r sanders 275 of plantier 245 ted frank however teel should have mentioned that though thf2 kimbark uchicago edu his advice is legally sound if you follow it the u of c law school you will probably wind up in jail standard disclaimers james donald in misc legal medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article michael 735318247 vislab me iastate edu michael iastate edu michael m huang writes msg is common in many food we eat including chinese though some oriental restaurants might put a tad too much in them ive noticed that when i go out and eat in most of the chinese food restaurants i will usually get a slight headache and an ununsual thirst afterwards this happens to many of my friends and relatives too and heh we eat chinese food all the time at home but we dont use msg when were cooking for ourselves so when we put one and one together it can be safely assumed that msg may cause some allergic reactions in some people stick with natural things msg doesnt do body any good and possibly harms for that matter so why bother with it taste food as it should be tasted and dont cloud the flavor with an imaginary cloak of msg as i understood it msg is natural isnt it found in tomatoes anyway lots of people are terribly allergic to lots of natural things peanuts onions tomatoes milk etc just because something is natural doesnt mean it wont cause problems with some folks as for how foods taste if im not allergic to msg and i like the taste of it why shouldnt i use it saying i shouldnt use it is like saying i shouldnt eat spicy food because my neighbor has an ulcer people have long modified the taste of food by additives whether they be chiles black pepper salt cream sauces etc all of these things cloud the flavor of the food why do we bother with them how should food be tasted isnt it better left to the diner julie disclaimer all opinions here belong to my cat and no one else cars extensions i was wondering what the country extension are sometimes i just dont have a clue from where some people are writing these are the extensions i know of ch switzerland se sweden fi finland uk uk com us edu us are both com and edu us fr france please feel free to add to this list markus 75 chevy camaro 350 th350 87 peugout 205 1 4 4 speed dont ask what your car can do for you ask what you can do for your car baseball mlb standings and scores for tue apr 20th 1993 note saturday april 20ths scores should be sent out by this coming friday mlb standings and scores for tuesday april 20th 1993 including yesterdays games national west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road san francisco giants 08 05 615 7 3 won 1 05 02 03 03 houston astros 07 05 583 0 5 7 3 won 1 02 04 05 01 atlanta braves 07 07 500 1 5 4 6 lost 1 04 03 03 04 los angeles dodgers 06 07 462 2 0 4 6 won 3 03 03 03 04 san diego padres 05 07 417 2 5 5 5 won 3 03 04 02 03 colorado rockies 04 07 364 3 0 4 6 lost 1 03 03 01 04 cincinnati reds 03 09 250 4 5 2 8 won 1 02 04 01 05 national east philadelphia phillies 09 03 750 7 3 won 1 05 01 04 02 pittsburgh pirates 07 05 583 2 0 5 5 lost 3 03 02 04 03 st louis cardinals 07 05 583 2 0 6 4 lost 3 04 02 03 03 new york mets 06 05 545 2 5 5 5 lost 1 02 03 04 02 chicago cubs 06 06 500 3 0 5 5 lost 1 03 03 03 03 montreal expos 06 06 500 3 0 5 5 won 1 03 03 03 03 florida marlins 04 08 333 5 0 3 7 lost 1 02 04 02 04 american west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road texas rangers 08 03 727 7 3 won 2 04 02 04 01 california angels 06 04 600 1 5 6 4 lost 1 03 02 03 02 minnesota twins 06 05 545 2 0 6 4 lost 1 03 03 03 02 chicago white sox 05 07 417 3 5 4 6 lost 3 02 03 03 04 seattle mariners 05 07 417 3 5 4 6 won 1 03 02 02 05 oakland athletics 04 06 400 3 5 4 6 lost 4 04 02 00 04 kansas city royals 03 09 250 5 5 3 7 won 1 01 05 02 04 american east boston red sox 10 03 769 7 3 won 3 06 01 04 02 detroit tigers 07 05 583 2 5 7 3 lost 1 05 01 02 04 toronto blue jays 07 05 583 2 5 6 4 won 1 04 02 03 03 new york yankees 06 06 500 3 5 5 5 lost 2 03 03 03 03 milwaukee brewers 04 05 444 4 0 4 5 won 2 02 02 02 03 cleveland indians 05 08 385 5 0 3 7 lost 1 04 03 01 05 baltimore orioles 04 07 364 5 0 4 6 won 1 02 03 02 04 yesterdays scores idle teams listed in alphabetical order national league american league houston astros ppd chicago white sox 0 chicago cubs rain boston red sox 6 atlanta braves idle toronto blue jays 7 cincinnati reds idle cleveland indians 1 colorado rockies idle seattle mariners 10 florida marlins idle detroit tigers 6 los angeles dodgers idle baltimore orioles idle montreal expos idle california angels idle new york mets idle kansas city royals idle philadelphia philliesidle milwaukee brewers idle pittsburgh pirates idle minnesota twins idle st louis cardinals idle new york yankees idle san francisco giants idle oakland athletics idle san diego padres idle texas rangers idle joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers guns cnn for sale bill vojak bv i read in the paper yestarday that ted turner wants to trim down bv his media holdings and is putting cnn up for sale the 1 potential bv bidder time warner of course sigh just what we need maybe nows the time for us the nra goa ccrtkba saf et al to band together and buy cnn as our voice wouldnt that be sumpin broadcast the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro gun item or two olx 2 2 there is no way they can get over here a maginot ye olde bailey bbs 713 520 1569 v 32bis 713 520 9566 v 32bis houston texas yob sccsi com home of alt cosuard cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time dunnjj ucsu colorado edu dunn jonathan james writes ak296 yfn ysu edu john r daker writes cup holders driving is an importantant enough undertaking this is a good idea so you can carry your non alcoholic drinks without spilling or having someone hold on to them i agree six hour long stretches behind the wheel really make me thirsty especially for something with caffeine i consider it a failing of my car that it has no cup holder nor anywhere to put a cup holder jim frost jimf centerline com cars re new 94 talon i would also be interested in finding out about the 94 talon and i suspect that many other people would be interested too so lets get some responses on the net the question again does anyone have any info on the 1994 eagle talon mitsubishi eclipse plymouth laser i know that the old talon was based on the mitsubishi galant and that in japan a 240 hp twin turbo v6 1994 galant has been released so anyway any info on the 94 talon would be appreciated steve hui medicine info needed gauchers disease i have a 42 yr old male friend misdiagnosed as having osteopporosis for two years who recently found out that his illness is the rare gauchers disease gauchers disease symptoms include brittle bones he lost 9 inches off his hieght enlarged liver and spleen internal bleeding and fatigue all the time the problem in type 1 is attributed to a genetic mutation where there is a lack of the enzyme glucocerebroside in macrophages so the cells swell up this will eventually cause death enyzme replacement therapy has been successfully developed and approved by the fda in the last few years so that those patients administered with this drug called ceredase report a remarkable improvement in their condition ceredase which is manufactured by biotech biggy company genzyme costs the patient 380 000 per year gauchers disease has justifyably been called the most expensive disease in the world need info i have researched gauchers disease at the library but am relying on netlanders to provide me with any additional information news stories reports people you know with this disease ideas articles about genzyme corp how to get a hold of enough money to buy some programs available to help with costs basically any help you can offer thanks so very much deborah baseball re jewish baseball players in article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we werent able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and its stankiewicz not stankowitz and hes not jewish hes polish by the way the correct pronunciation according to stanky himself is ston kev itch all the sportscasters get it wrong maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help the only other jewish ballplayer i can think of is ron blomberg who is best known as being the first dh to appear in a major league ballgame alan religion re greek myth and the bible in pegasus 130393124328 fp1 dialin 7 uoregon edu pegasus aaa uoregon edu laurie ewbrandt wrote irrelevant inserts from previous postings deleted a definiation from a text book used as part of an introductory course in social anthorpology the term myth designates traditionally based dramatic narratives on themes that emphasize the nature of humankinds relationship to nature and to the supernatural legends are ususally defined as tales concerning other times and places that do not give the same extensive emphasis to supernatural themes legends more often than myths are retold purely as entertainment from peter b hammands an introduction to cutural and social anthropology second ed macmillion page 387 this makes the bible a fibber magees closet over stuffed with a little bit of every thing gleened by a wandering people pegasus now doesnt this sound a lot like the colorful or otherwise story from antiquity that somehow tries to or does explain natural pheno mena i think i hear what youre saying but im not convinced that i know what you mean the possibility exists that what looks like myth on the surface may be after all much more than just a story ed mahood jr edmahood infoserv com windows re summary borland microsoft database c libraries could you post a description of objectbase your chosen product thanks windows font size for dos in a window 800x600x256 guns re waco fire eck panix com mark eckenwiler writes in c601ed cd6 cpqhou se hou compaq com thomasr cpqhou se hou compaq com sez the houston chronicle last thursday maybe wednesday said that the interior of walls had been covered with hay bales to help protect against bullets many of you know how fast dry hay burns this is all terribly interesting but it doesnt belong in misc legal take it elsewhere please but of course it does its certainly a legal matter if its not a legal matter that interest you you may simply put it in your kill file seeeeee ya turmoil halcyon com fuck the police baseball re why is barry bonds not batting 4th i like the clark williams bonds order pitchers can only walk clark with 2 outs unlike last year williams is getting better pitches to hit with bonds looming in the on deck circle since matt has a terrible batting eye this helps the giants a lot when bonds gets on base all by himself he can try to steal 2nd and then be driven in with a single by thompson manwaring or clayton if you bat bonds before the other sluggers then you dont want him to run because a caught stealing could take you out of a big inning also bonds is less in need of protection behind him because he is such a good base stealer a walk is a potential double the only draw back is when clark and williams are clogging up the bases infront of bonds and i think thats a problem the giants will be glad to see especially if robby thompson gets hot ken kubey kubey wpd sgi com 415 390 3536 baseball re how to speed up games marginally realistic in article c5she2 lkf ucdavis edu ez027993 chip ucdavis edu gary built like villanueva huckabay writes you want to speed up ballgames 1 enforce the two minutes between innings as it is many fields are allowing three minutes between them fifteen seconds before tv commercials are gone to thirty or so before action begins upon the return to the game two minutes last out to first pitch or a ball is called 2 dont grant time to batters just because they want it they may get pissed at first but theyll get in line once anything the pitcher throws while theyre adjusting their wristbands is a strike 3 mandate a rule permitting only n seconds between pitches the current rule is too lenient and then enforce it fifteen seconds is more than enough time if the pitch isnt released in 15 call it a ball and restart the clock ive only ever seen this called once back around 1979 1980 i think that steve carlton was pitching on the other hand i am not sure how much effect this would have it seems that most of the time lost is when there are runners on base and the rule does not cover this i have wondered why a pitcher is given 8 pitches when he enters the game lets be serious the relief pitcher has normally been throwing out in the bullpen for a few minutes does he really need 8 more pitches pablo iglesias pi ruth ece jhu edu windows re please help an amiga user find comfort in windows stlombo eos acm rpi edu steve j lombardi writes by night im an amiga user by day i work with windows id be much more comfortable in windows if i had two things 1 a good personal information manager you know a calendar address book reminder list etc rolled into one clean interface lotus organizer quick cheap pretty and has all of those features you want 2 a good file manager microsofts is very poor by my standards you might look at one of the shell alternatives provided by third parties norton desktop for windows for instance personally i like file manager which comes with windows its much faster than ndws and the file manager thats part of windows for workgroups even has a decent button bar how about one that has a left and right window and allows file operations between them being able to launch programs from the same interface would be nice as well as text reading and graphics viewing those who are familiar with directory opus on the amiga know what im looking for that first you can do with file manager but the others youll need to look at ndw or pc tools for windows etc if anyone can steer me towards an ftp sight with these programs it would make my transition to windows a lot easier please reply via email as i rarely get to read this group thanks so much i havent yet seen a decent freeware or even shareware shell but it may be just me nectar nirvana the absurd is the essential concept nectar world std com and the first truth a camus cars re auto air conditioning without freon rovax tobias convex com allen tobias writes better still years ago they demonstrated a cold air system which only used air it was called a rovax the unit worked very well the short coming was the seal technology where is it today as i recall from reading posts here a while back rovax rovacs died because it was larger and noisier than the competing cheap r12 systems of it day probably a case of bad timing i think the system would have a better chance today now that r12 systems are on death row but investors may be hard to come by a second time jon hacker get the os 2 2 1 march beta cd rom caltech pasadena ca for 20 call 1 800 3 ibm os2 hacker tumbler ridge caltech edu read about it in comp os os2 beta cars re lexus and infiniti kchong mothra nts uci edu keith chong writes in article 1993apr23 105438 3245 msus1 msus edu w00026 tigger stcloud msus edu writes first off the correct spelling of nissans luxury automobile division is infiniti not infinity i would also like to clear up the question of what kind of engines power lexus and infiniti automobiles since a person had remarked in earlier posts that most lexus and infiniti models had v6 engines while at the same time saying that several of each manufacturer used v8 engines lexus ls400 v8 gs300 v6 es300 v6 sc400 v8 sc300 v6 the gs300 and sc300 have an inline 6 infiniti q45 v8 j30 v6 g20 inline 4 i must admit that i cannot remeber for sure here inline 4 is correct i hope this helps bsb keith this is off the subject but dont the numbers in the car names above refair to the engine size in liters i e ls400 4 0litre engine sc300 3 0 liter sport coupe and q45 4 5liter similar kinda to bmw and mb nameing deal issa religion re the list of biblical contradictions someone posted a list of x number of alleged bible contradictions as joslin said most people do value quantity over quality dave butler posted some good quality alleged contradictions that are taking a long time to properly exegete if you want a good list quantity when critics ask a popular handbook on bible difficulties by dr norman geisler deals with over 800 alleged contradictions frank if one wished to contend with him he could not answer him one time out of a thousand job 9 3 cars re did us drive on the left rob reilly whips and their tempers initially all cars were built with the drivers controls on the right because thats the way people drove buggies so the this is just not so many of the earliest cars had their steering controls in the center of the vehicle and there is no discernible pattern of left or right hand steering controls until a few years into the 20th century when in america at least left hand wheels became the pattern the mule team or horses i imagine explanation however seems to have some merit dan dh3q andrew cmu edu carnegie mellon university applied history this coffee plunges into the stomach the mind is aroused and ideas pour forth like the battalions of the grand army on the field of battle memories charge at full gallop the light cavalry of comparisons deploys itself magnificently the artillery of logic hurry in with their train of ammunition flashes of wit pop up like sharp shooters honore de balzac 30 cups day medicine future of methanol i hope this is the correct newsgroup for this what is the scoop on methanol and its future as an alternative fuel for vehicles how does it compare to ethanol there was some news about health risks involved anybody know about that how does the us clean air act impact the use of methanol by the year 1995 i think its methyl tertiary butyl ether which the future industries will use as a substitute for conventional fuels there is company methanex which produces 12 of the worlds supply of methanol does anybody know about it please reply by e mail as i do not read these newsgroups thanks in advance vilok kusumakar osi protocols for tomorrow vilok bnr ca bell northern research ltd phone 613 763 2273 p o box 3511 station c fax 613 765 4777 ottawa ontario k1y 4h7 baseball re jack morris tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes valentine no im not going to be cordial roger maynard is a complete and total dickhead send me e mail if you insist on details in fact hes a complete and total dickhead on at least 2 newsgroups this one and rec sport hockey since hockey season is almost over hes back to being a dickhead in r s bb john franjione department of chemical engineering university of colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu windows re how to prevent ctl alt del from windows in article 97431 hydra gatech edu mg15 prism gatech edu glynn mike writes i would like to prevent our windows users from using ctl alt del from within windows i know there must be a way to do it could anyone point me in the right direction thanks in advance mike glynn are you sure you want to do that if a win app locks up for some reason ctrl alt del may be the only way to kill the app and get back to windows granted it doesnt work all that often but it has come in handy on occasion i consider it pretty carefully before i disabled that keystroke just a thought if youd like to talk for hours just go ahead now the spin doctors dominic drohan electronic data systems eds email drohand cad gmeds com note the views and opinions expressed herein are mine and do not reflect those of eds religion re is it good that jesus died in article 1993apr22 155850 28992 atlastele com jasons atlastele com jason smith wrote for several years all i knew is i really liked dropping cid lsd frankly speaking i didnt really care it was fun anyway it didnt matter that every child my wife and i want to have are at a tremendously greater risk of serious birth defects for several years all i knew is i really liked having sex with as many women as i could convice frankly speaking i didnt care i didnt care that i was putting each one of them at risk as well as their future partners it seems you lived a fairly wild life my background is far more traditional mostly working working working maybe theres a clear indication that the way you lived your life produced a certain amount of anxiety that needed to be released religion was one possible medicine while my more stable environment didnt and still does not produce the situation where i feel such guilt this is just one possible explanation why you feel this burden while i havent felt it so far regards kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net guns re the pill for deer no hunting in article 1993apr14 221646 2332 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes you might have missed the u s news world report excerpt i posted it is fairly consistant with other such polls finding that approximately 40 50 of households have at least one firearm ok a near majority actually own firearms but i will still claim that the vast majority never needs to use them or even threaten anyone with them 500 000 to 1 000 000 self defense incidents a year doesnt count with you what do they do right or are they just lucky maybe theyre just unlucky if a rapist pulls a woman into an alley in boston chances are almost certain that she wont be counted as one of those self defenders because our local constabulary didnt consider it important that she be allowed to arm herself even though the shotgun she owns at home makes her show up in the gun owner column in either case this means the average threat level in this country is rather low ironic words for somebody who lives in florida the average threat level in florida has been reduced by a liberal ccw policy its well known that your local thugs like to target tourists precisely because they are less likely to be carrying than your natives come on up to boston or nyc or washington dc and see how much diddlysquat the average threat level in the country means to a resident there i think you have weapons on the brain i never said that these alternative means of self protection involved any hardware why are good neighborhoods good it isnt because every person is armed to the teeth it is because of 1 attitude and 2 cooperation in the good neighborhoods the residents make themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when strangers are lurking around good neighborhoods form groups like crime watch to increase this effect and the relative effectiveness of the police when hostiles are arrested the good neighbors step up and say thats the one officer he was robbing mr jones house sometimes this works sometimes it just lands your good neighbors on the dance card for the next wave of drive bys someone here once told a story about la gangs moving into phoenix ive misplaced the original text but the story started with one resident calling the cops on a gang member sure enough a few nights later there was a drive by performed at the residents house except that this time unlike in la the entire street came out and returned fire putting an end to the cars occupants the gang packed up and left of course in la or in a place like florida after the hurricane your first problem is to find an officer to step up to and tell anything in short the alternative to firepower is gangs or at least a benificent manifestation of that social cooperative replace lead with flesh the flesh makes a better conversationalist too and you can invite it over for a block party look nobody is arguing this i have a fire extinguisher at home that doesnt mean i can be careless about tossing my burnt matches on the carpet i live carefully monitor the woodstove get my flue cleaned twice a year and test my smoke alarms annually but if despite all this a fire does start its too late for any of these things except the extinguisher but legality and legitimacy also matter if a governments charter makes a rule which the government then violates it is violated the basis for its existance enforcement of its will becomes a matter solely of force of arms oliver north the man is positively worshiped in many all american conservative quarters he and big ron set up a secret government and did all sorts of severely illegal deeds the kind of stuff you and i would be doing twenty to life for yet he walks free this bs happens all the time in fact it happens so much that no one really cares anymore legitimacy is a non issue legality is a non issue so long as we get t bones and our mtv who gives a rats ass you seem to be agreeing with your opponent you cant trust your government to protect you from abusers and violators white collar blue collar epauletted or tank shirted ultimately no one has the power to enforce your rights but you unless youve given up that power no i claimed that no one is interested in the statistical aspects of the argument pure emotion like the abortion issue too many people fit that category that is true some of us like to believe that they are uninterested in the facts behind the case for gun ownership because theyve been conditioned to believe that there arent any you seem content to underestimate the electorate im willing to try to raise their consciousness argue away you cant win i think we can hci was founded in what 1980 in the mid 80s they ran a one million strong campaign for two years before reaching this goal my understanding is that they reached it by the stratagem of including wide classes of people other than dues paying members i cant speak authoritatively on this maybe somebody else has details then they started running a two million strong campaign for a while but they let it slip into unannounced obscurity when it became clear that they simply were never going to reach that level of membership in 1964 just after the commencement of the dodd hearings the starting point of the modern gun control movement the nra had a mere 625 000 members by 1968 barely after the first murmurs of future registration it had about a million today it has over three million members making it the third largest membership organization in the country next to aarp and aaa and its membership is growing faster than at any previous time historical figures from kuklas gun control pp 61 and 420 as you say many of the people in the middle of this debate are bemused by their t bones and mtv that leaves hard core gun owners against hard core gun banners i know a number of ex hci members who have recently become nra members ive never heard of a single one who has gone the other way yes i think we can and will win this one firearms related mindless mayhem will be related to the availibility of firearms if they become scarce and and expensive a different psychology will take hold i think they would be used far less to settle trivial complaints i think they would be used far less to hammer nails as well but like you i cant give any citation showing that this utilization is currently significant at more than an anecdotal level if you can im waiting cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1qkkodinn5f5 jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo a iglesias writes in article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we werent able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help hank greenberg would have to be the most famous because his jewish faith actually affected his play missing late season or was it world series games because of yom kippur the other jewish hofer is rod carew who converted lowenstein is jewish as well as montanas only representative to the major leagues undeserving cy young award winner steve stone is jewish between stone koufax ken holtzman might have the wrong pitcher im thinking of the one who threw a no hitter in both the al and nl and big ed reulbach thats quite a starting rotation moe berg can catch harry steinfeldt the 3b in the tinkers evers chance infield is stanky jewish or is that just a dave cohen kinda misinterpretation whatever doesnt look like he stuck around the majors too long ted frank thf2 kimbark uchicago edu im sorry the card says moops the u of c law school standard disclaimers baseball re jack morris maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes it sure does and it all depends on the definition that you use for better yours is based on what could have been and mine is based on what really happened well actually most of ours is based on what really happened and yours is based on some fantasy of how it happened but thats ok i understand you have a hockey background stats like plus minus make rbi look good is it violas fault that boston had no offense is it because of morris that the blue jays had such a strong offense dont tell me that morris has this magical ability to cause the offensive players to score more runs this is the perfect example of your problem you are isolating violas contribution from the rest of the teams efforts you can only do this if you can say for sure what the team would have done without viola only then can you compare but you cannot know how the team would have done without viola your analysis is fallacious ok how about a straigh answer then heres a very simele question to which im sure a fair number of us are very interesed in the answer to please answer yes or no roger can a pitcher cause the offensive players on his team to score more runs al only please for anyone else following along it is a well known and demonstrable fact that a teams win loss record is closely related to the number of runs the team scores and the number the team allows its not a definite hard and fast function but there is definitely a correlation in fact as a rule of thumb if teams a and b both score x runs and team a allows y runs for every 10 runs fewer than y that team b allows it will win another game so for instance if we look at the 1991 toronto blue jays we find that they scored 780 runs and allowed 682 of which morris allowed 114 all other things being equal if frank viola with his 3 44 era had replaced jack morris for the 240 2 innings morris threw plausible since viola threw 238 for boston the red jays would have allowed about 15 fewer runs or enough for 1 2 more wins now that doesnt take into account that viola pitched half his innings in fenway which is a harder park to pitch in particularly for a lefthander than skydome so um roger unless you really do believe that a pitcher can somehow affect the number of runs his team scores could you enlighten us to the fallacy in this analysis clearly it would be foolhardy to claim that viola would necessarily have put up a 3 44 if he had been on the jay last year but that is not the claim we look at what the actual performances were and evaluate violas as better than morris in the sense that had morris performed as viola did his team would have been better off it takes an open mind to really truly understand what is happening out here in the real world guys this is true but not so open that your brain falls out mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com computer if you dont open that exit hatch this moment i shall zap straight off to your major data banks and reprogram you with a very large ax got that zaphod beeblebrox windows re re challenge to microsoft supporters in article timbolc6wh1d 3hz netcom com timbol netcom com mike timbol writes anyway how about this i give you my word without naming sources that ibm paid companies to write applications for os 2 satisfied mike doesnt ms do the same i e subsidize app development i seem to remember someone at rpi who received an entire expensive to run nt machine to develop for nt free and thats just the small fry ted guns re batf fbi revenge in article c5se5e coy boi hp com dianem boi hp com diane mathews writes ahem see the war on drugs as sponsored by the bush and reagan administrations the precedent had well been set for federal agencies to step on more than a few of what people consider rights i wont make excuses for anyone but most of the damage had been done before clinton even entered the race in 92 not to mention last years weaver affair anyway heres how i see the waco affair id be interested in other peoples interpretations 1 koresh and his people were basically minding their own business 2 some weapons violations may have been committed and i wouldnt have disapproved of prosecuting him for those violations however i think the batf was criminal for starting negotiations with a military style assault and for firing into a house where there were children and other noncombatants 3 i dont see they couldnt just leave a token guard on the place and wait the bds out i dont approve of the tear gas approach and if it caused the fire to be started i think the fbi agent responsible should spend 10 20 years in jail 4 however if koreshs response to the tear gas was to kill everyone there i hold him largely responsible for their deaths don guns re your evil tax dollars at work was re atf burns ranch etc etc mark mark sachs mbs110 psuvm psu edu writes in article 93112 153005mgb slacvm slac stanford edu mgb slacvm slac stanford edu says from a p according to numerous accounts by those in the compound the fire was started by an armoured vehicle crushing a large propane tank and turning over numerous gas lanterns oh then why did the smoke and flames start from three different places in particular three different places where there were no apvs this claim hasnt been retracted or contradicted yet as many earlier government claims have at least one clip showed a fire erupting after a tank busted in a wall we have unsubstantiated claims by the government about the flirs spotting simultaneous fires and if the government did start the fire then why werent people trying to get out of the compound thats easy six hours of cs gas heavy smoke from a rapidly spreading fire confusion panic only 10 got out the building was collapsing all around them and finding the way out was a matter of luck and besides oh i dont know why im even bothering the davidians may have committed suicide or some few zealots among them might have started the fires that is possible but given the governments earlier inability to tell a straight story i find my above scenario equally possible i wait for some independent investigation to look into the whole thing it would be one thing if the government spokespeople had been consistent and forthright throughout keeping the press far away and ghettoized in pools was not conducive to building up trust sealing the warrants was non optimal as well this operation was out of control from the git go i find it tremendously chilling that so many people seem willing to accept the governments story despite much evidence to the contrary i find it tremendously chilling that so many people seem eager to believe a murderous heavily armed religious cult despite much evidence to the contrary thought experiment suppose this exact same thing happened under the bush administration what would your answer be then would you still prefer to believe the cultists speaking only for myself i think bush and reagan should have been impeached over iran contra in 1979 i would probably have given the benefit of the doubt to the government no more like i said ill wait to see the results of an independent investigation if there is one before i choose whom to believe no i dont really expect a response to that challenge but you got one anyway but then again that is how mr clinton was elected by people who believe that his campaign promisses would be respected by him once he got into office um isnt that how all politicians are elected i generally vote for the lesser of two evils this last time it was the least of three evils if people will believe that of any politican it is little wonder they will believe all of the factoids being given out as fact by the clinton reno fbi batf confederation so is there any particular reason the gummint decided to slaughter eighty people are they like just plain evil or what did they just wake up one day stretch and yawn and throw a dart at a map of the united states to figure out who to oppress that day im eager to know it was a bureaucratic execution out of control bureaucracies driven by percieved self interest and gross stupidity and does bill clinton have cooler theme music than darth vader how is he on diabolical laughter does he look good in a cape these things must be investigated you first clinton is just another statist my only problem with clinton on this is that he is apparently willing to blindly back the atf and fbi so i propose that we destroy the moon neatly solving that problem your blood pressure just went up mark sachs is mbs110 psuvm psu edu disclaimer if psu knew i had opinions theyd try to charge me for them paul hager hagerp moose cs indiana edu i would give the devil benefit of the law for my own safetys sake from a man for all seasons by robert bolt baseball why is barry bonds not batting 4th as the heading indicates it is impossible for me to fathom why barry is not batting 4th for the giants behind will clark barry is such an awesome and consistent hitter definitely the best in the national league imho to have williams a streaky hitter and not really a clutch hitter batting 4th ahead of bonds is simply an injustice to the giants and fans of the giants cars awd bmw any truth to the rumor of an awd 3 series for 94 i believe this info was published in either popular science or autoweek a couple of months ago also a friend told me that bmw used to make an awd 325 called the 325ix id appreciate any info about this car too thanks thanks tim medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1qhu7s d3u agate berkeley edu spp zabriskie berkeley edu steve pope writes its worse than that there is no such thing as a double blind study on the effects of msg by virtue of the fact that msg changes the taste of food in a characteristic way that is detectable by the subject and that cannot be duplicated by a placebo common you can easily disguise to flavor of msg by putting it in a capsule then the study becomes a double blind of msg capsules against control capsules containing exactly the same contents minus the msg mark feblowitz gte laboratories inc 40 sylvan rd waltham ma 02254 mfeblowitz gte com 617 466 2947 fax 617 890 9320 medicine re good grief was re candida albicans what is it if anybody doctors included said to me to my face that there is no evidence of the yeast connection i cannot guarantee their safety for their incompetence ripping off their lips is justified as far as i am concerned this doesnt sound like candida albicans to me john badanes dc ca romdas uclink berkeley edu guns re with friends like these l neil smith look if you can figure out a reliable means of keeping guns away from bad people while not interfering with good people i think wed all be for it the problem is the methods were using now dont do the trick dont manufacture them dont sell them dont import them some guns will get through but far fewer and far less people will die because of them hunting weapons could be allowed of course as long as they are big and bulky and require reloading after a few shots how many times can you shoot at the same animal anyways one assumes they are moving a better solution if the bad people cant be trusted with guns then lock them or knock them off stop punishing good people windows re win nt what is it wild access digex com wildstrom writes rmohns vax clarku edu writes chicogo is what i want to use it is like nt a true os with thrue multitasking and multithreading but has much smaller hardware requirements and does not meet dod security specs but thats okay since it will probably be more of a client os there are a few otehr differences but those are the main ones there was an article about chicogo in pc week last august the chicogo and nt development groups at micro oft are in intense competition so it is said however i think a different relationship will arise nt will be the server n etowrk t echonology chicogo will be the client machine it is entirely possible for different oss to work together partly because chicogo is just a small nt think of it that way anyway novell netware creates an os on the server that is truly not dos so dont scorn the concept anyway dont expect it soon windows 4 and dos 7 are supposed to be released next year read see it in 95 so i expect that chicogo wont be out til 96 how does chicago differ from the sort of announced windows 4 my understand ing at least from the inbfoworld accound of windows 4 is that its sort of nt lite a full fledged operating system but lacking server and security features that make nt such a bear is w4 not true multithreading can anyone tell me how chicago windows 4 would differ from os 2 2 x believe it or not im not trying to start a flame war here im simply curious if there is going to be any feature advantage in either of these products i do not consider the fact that it has uncle bills seal of approval much of a feature medicine re deadly nyquil bitn kimbark uchicago edu writes my friend insists that ny quil can be deadly if enough is taken he suggested something like 20 30 of the night time gelcaps would do someone in being a normal user of ny quil i checked the ingredients and have a very hard time believing it they are 250 g acetaminophen 30 mg pseudoephedrine hcl 10 mg dextromethorphan hbr 6 25 mg doxylamine succinate per softgel can someone settle our bet a package of ny quil of course what effect would 20 30 of these babies have the acetaminophen is the agent of concern in overdose of this otc medication a single dose of acetaminophen of 10 grams or greater can cause hepatotoxicity and doses of 25 grams or more are potentially fatal from hepatic necrosis if i recall correctly the metabolism of acetaminophen at high doses involves n hydroxylation to n acetyl benzoquinoneimine which is a highly reactive intermediate which then reacts with sulfhydryl groups of proteins and glutathione when hepatic glutathione is used up this intermediate then starts attacking the hepatic proteins with resulting hepatic necrosis the insidious part of acetaminophen toxicity is the delay 2 4 days between ingestion and clinical signs of liver damage this is not a nice way to die as to taking 20 30 of these tablets that comes to 5 7 5 grams of acetaminophen in a normal adult this would probably cause nausea vomiting abdominal pain and loss of appetite bob schmieg windows re more cool bmp files adair atldbs dbsoftware com owen adair writes in article 1993apr20 173506 2288 dlss2 james dlss2 james cummings writes newsgroups comp os ms windows misc path atldbs uupsi psinntp uunet gatech howland reston ans net bogus sura net darwin sura net convex seas smu edu void dalnet dlss2 james from james dlss2 james cummings subject re more cool bmp files message id 1993apr20 173506 2288 dlss2 organization redrock development references 1993apr17 023017 17301 gmuvax2 gmu edu distribution usa date tue 20 apr 1993 17 35 06 gmt lines 1021 in article 1993apr17 023017 17301 gmuvax2 gmu edu rwang gmuvax2 gmu edu john wang writes hi everybody i guess my subject has said it all it is getting boring looking at those same old bmp files that came with windows so i am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file i can share or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for some bmp files like some scenery files some animals files etc i used to have some unfortunately i delete them all anyway could me give me some help please in response to a different kinda wallpaper heres what i use i think the original gif whatever was called not real the artist name and logo is in the lower right corner you will need vga i think and i have this sized for 800x600 256 color screens use this in your windows directory and do not tile it hope you enjoy try this one on for size id rather not post her name but if you email me ill tell you who she is enjoy begin 640 big1 zip m4 l 0 v akdl 76l 8 p 0e545 y 35 l h w m yq 6tba 5p k8a hh6 i g8j 5 bh x cp wt8c 578jplp i8 mid93b d 8hn d kh d 3 le t0f p aij0l1 e xn bi8mi 9z m f g v g 3g7n a b5 hw e oi o s oob 5 l5psc m3 s e d 8 d 4 or v 7 ggg r 3 o 8kqqam m q nm9xy4lf x 6 r d3v s om s yay x r p nq l mv7 ey vc 9xqsv9 f 1rwlt8u ylx x 9 r py wn m3 d 3 wcg sswig 9k ti m 3xr f 43x st xsb z z8q mb n7 8 g 5 of 4 g qbyr7 xqy xg78 ddy9 s4p6 n jsg mfu 8gc1f f 8o7y 1mdy9r1xkojs26 c k3 kegse gqd8kilw mwipza qjs ind an im ov l f05kpwqvegc3r s uo 6 k n z mqj jyxrijfllyjx 5 vp y63r 6 q xuulosmyv ynx s 8 m 5 s09xw qq pqn5jb xg57 1fs1h ghldm8s5 u n6 dt m3 b r9mx 8gwf k 7 nt rrri 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inc amateur radio callsign kz1o project leader recognition products kz1o n0ary noca ca na internet dbushong wang com guns re flames on the net about flames in waco in article 1993apr22 173240 29129 magnus acs ohio state edu scasburn magnus acs ohio state edu steven m casburn writes in article c5vgme goa usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wa yne j warf writes in article c5v9fv krt news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin e writes if you wont believe anything the government says and the press is not reliable according to the same logic then what do you base your statements on wild speculation laced with a healthy dose of paranoia are you a moron or just illiterate oh i forgot youre the guy that doesnt know microwave oven need electricity never mind and youre the guy that doesnt know that illiterate people cant write coherent sentences does that make you superior somehow oh my god i made a typo and used the word god come burn my house down i must deserve it steve casburn scasburn magnus acs ohio state edu across the page across the ages the moving hand of history pleads for a kinder eye to see us not as we are but as we dream mark king wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu i speak for myself only clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema windows books for writing thesis in wfw hi i was wondering if anyone out there knows of any books that give helpful hints and tips on writing thesis papers in wfw i know about the dissertation template that comes with word but i want more i would like to have tips on how to use all the seq bookmark index chapter fields that are available in word i have looked through the help files etc but they really dont explain a whole lot i will post the results that means email me first if i get a lot of different suggestions since i think this might be of help to lots of crazy grad students such as myself thanks brian servis p s how do you change the font that help uses when printing a topic the default is so choppy and hard to read servis author ecn purdue edu it happened this way actual quotes from insurance claims what i say may not be what i think what i say may not be the pedestrian had no idea which what purdue thinks way to go so i ran him over baseball re best homeruns in article 4200419 hpcc01 corp hp com boell hpcc01 corp hp com donald p boell writes id have to say the most impressive hrs ive ever see came from dave kingman and his infamous moon raker drives i remember one he hit circa 1976 at wrigley field that went across the street in dead center field and hit a house on the roof he whiffed a lot but when he did connect watch out include std disclaimer h dan s windows re help disappearing groups in article 1r8anlinn60g skeena ucs ubc ca ewoo unixg ubc ca emile woo writes program manager but it seems that everytime i install something new that makes a new group it promptly disappears after i turn of windows 1 did you check that a new grp file was actually created in your windows directory 2 are you turning off your computer when windows is running rather than closing program manager ekkehard windows re exit codes dos sorry for wrong group internal dos commands certainly 3 3 and before do not set the exit code this is a royal pain if you want to do anything which checks for successful deletions etc the best suggestion is to use 4dos which does return you exit codes it also has move command simon simon rowe srowe fulcrum co uk fulcrum communications ltd birmingham condition brain overload raised at england 5412 0 12234 cars re opel owners in article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca darren gibbons writes im looking for information on opel cars now you ask which model well the sad truth is im not entirely sure but its a two seater with roll over headlights hard top and really sporty looking gibbonsa sfu ca this would be the manta would it not sold through buick dealers in the mid 70s as the price leader chintan amin sounds more like an opel gt neat cars fun to drive sold through buick from 196 through 1973 if i remember correctly i believe it was in 72 that there were some engine mods made such that parts were not interchangeable with the older models parts are thus much harder to come by for the later models parts in general are not too difficult to find at one time jc whitney carried some stuff including a brand new not remfg long block either a gt or a kharman ghia hmm that spelling looks hosed will be my next project mark baseball re bases loaded walk gives reds win in 12 in article c5xwai 3nu news cso uiuc edu hbrooks uiatma atmos uiuc edu harold brooks writes in article mssc5xb3i 2cg netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes i dont pretend to understand statistical analysis well we agree on the last part cool and thank you for an intelligent response devoid of the silly name calling of others one of the basic things you need to have in a statistic to be able to predict a players performance on it in the future is for there to be a correlation from year to year a players batting average is correlated fairly well from year to year ok the basic problems with something like clutch batting average overall batting average is that the correlation from year to year is almost zero adding to the sample size doesnt seem to help much actually i think the large scale sample size is part of the problem it seems to me that if we were to plot all the players in baseball in regard to ba vs clutch ba deviation we would get some kind of bell curve the x axis being the deviation in clutch hitting vs non clutch the y axis being the number of players certainly there would be some players on the extreme ends of the bell my supposition is that if we were to find the same players consistently year after year at one end of the bell or the other then we might be able to make some reasonable conclusions about those players as opposed to all baseball players as a counterexample to what you showed consider the following two players from 1984 1987 non clutch clutch ab h ba ab h ba maldonado 1060 260 245 254 78 307 lemon 1643 457 278 256 57 223 if you had had these two players in 1988 by your logic in those clutch situations youd bat maldonado for lemon in a blink of an eye well in 1988 maldonado hit 267 in non clutch and 190 in clutch while lemon hit 254 in non clutch and 313 in clutch before you accuse me of completely cooking the data you wont hear those kind of accusations from me it is interesting that you selected maldonado because he is someone whom i have also looked at he has been a very inconsistent hitter in terms of ba hitting in 1989 92 217 273 250 272 admittedly he has been traded between leagues as well as clubs his clutch hitting record is equally inconsistent so for my purposes in 1993 i would not draw any conclusions about his ability to hit in the clutch based on his prior performance i dont know how i would have felt in 1988 but you may indeed be right when i looked at sabo i found a more consistent record of hitting and a more consistent pattern of his clutch hitting being proportionately below his non clutch ba ditto for joe carter this probably brings us to the heart of the disagreement i am having with others on this topic must any conclusion based on statistical history be able to be applied broadly throughout a data base before it has any validity is it impossible or irrational to apply statistical analysis to selected components of the data base btw correlating players overall batting average from 84 87 with 88 gives a correlation coefficient of 0 59 which is significant at something better than the 99 9 confidence level correlating their clutch non clutch ba for the same period gives a correlation of 0 088 significant at no level of any interest i completely accept that reasoning again what if we were to find the same individuals at each end of the spectrum on a consistent basis actually its technically incorrect to say that we cant predict future clutch performance its more correct to say that we cant predict future clutch performance with any skill amen the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com medicine frequent nosebleeds a from some of the replies to my original posting its evident that some a people do not secrete enough mucous to keep their nose lining protected include small amounts of hot spicy foods with your meals its not a cure but many people find it helpful to create extra mucus you may also consider taking a few drops of iodine in juice or water consult your doctor first which is available otc in canada if you have a sedentary lifestyle exercising sometimes helps a from environmental influences ie dry air but ive had no responses a from anyone with experience with rutin is there another newsgroup that a might have specifics on herbal remedies a a robert allison i tried to e mail you but our board is having internet problems so im not sure whether you got the information on rutin or not rutin is not a herb but part of the bioflavonoid complex you should generally not take rutin by itself but take the whole bioflavonoid complex instead if you dont and there are some exceptions to that youll eventually create a hesperidin deficiency which is the other major component of the bioflavonoid complex i found out the hard way years ago when i recommended rutin after it showed deficient in patients who were not deficient in hesperidin be fore a later retest almost always showed a subsequent deficiency in hesperidin which from then on made me always add bioflavonoids to anyone that had very low levels of rutin most of the time people are equally low in rutin and hesperidin so there is really no reason to take rutin by itself but use the whole bioflavonoid complex instead i have several thousand patients taking them with many claiming that they had been helped with hemorrhoids varicose veins chronic nose bleeds aneurysms gastro intestinal bleeding due to drugs etc one patient in desperation took a whole bottle 100s in one day for his painful bleeding hemorrhoids without any ill effects they are also non toxic in very high amounts thats why they can be safely recommended if you are allergic to citrus fruit they are made from their peels pine bark sources are available as well about 90 of patients tested show a bioflavonoid deficiency with the average daily dosage needed being about 1 2 000mg for major complaints 4 6 000mg day is common in case they cannot be taken because of their size and taste they are big and they dont taste that great a product made from pine bark extract gives you the same effect and the tablets are quite small and taste much better however the cost is about seven times higher for the equivalent effect one 25mg tablet of the pine bark extract gives you about the same effect as 1 000mg of bioflavonoids the name for the pine bark product is pycnogenol some canadian brands carrying bioflavonoids are quest 1 000mg big bitter not chewable swiss herbal 600mg smooth easier swallowing jamieson 500mg medium bitter chewable sisu 25mg pycnogenol small easy swallowing give them a try and see what happens and good luck ron roth internet rn 3228 rose com rosenet ron roth rosehamilton eating radium has strange results tom said brightly rosereader 2 10 p003228 entered at rosehamilton rosemail 2 10 usenet rose media hamilton 416 575 5363 windows re pkunzip2 04g in article 1pn6tr l70 dekalb dc peachnet edu kenneth dekalb dc peachnet edu kenneth palmertree writes hey does anyone know of an ftp site where i can get pkunzip2 04g from i tried using archie with no such luck this version of pkunzip is suppose to correct some promblems when using pkunzip within windows thanks in advance you can get pk from ftp cica indiana edu cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article c5wphp 5kl megatest com alung megatest com aaron lung writes v8s v10s and v12s man can you imagine doing a valve adjustment on one that has multiple non hydraulic valves in each cylinder aaron i was at the indianapolis motor speedway museum the other day and one of their very early winners was 4 valves per cylinder and either front wheel drive or all wheel drive i think front wheel drive and that was in 1914 spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology delco electronics 317 451 0815 gm hughes electronics kokomo in 46904 i post therefore i armm medicine re blindsight in article werner 240393161954 tol7mac15 soe berkeley edu werner soe berkeley edu john werner writes in article 19213 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks wrote explain i thought there were 3 types of cones equivalent to rgb youre basically right but i think there are just 2 types one is sensitive to red and green and the other is sensitive to blue and yellow this is why the two most common kinds of color blindness are red green and blue yellow yes i remember that now well in that case the cones are indeed color sensitive contrary to what the original respondent had claimed gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article lt8keoinn31v appserv eng sun com fiddler concertina eng sun com steve hix writes in article c5siaj ks7 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes why didnt they release the children weeks ago it would have been inconsistent behavior for them to have done so some people believe that there is more to life than the physical requirements these folks believed that the generally held standards of the surrounding community heck most of the world were morally wrong and letting the children be abandoned to this godless unbelieving culture would be condeming them to eternal loss and separation from god by their standards letting the children go would be abandoning them to a fate literally worse than death the fbi and batf and media people working on the issue i suspect just couldnt get their heads into a similar enough to say nothing of identical mode of thinking to realize what they were doing physically there was no reason why the bds shouldnt have given up and come out a long time ago from the point of view of the bds they were up against the wall and had nowhere to go at all they apparently really did love their kids too much to abandon them to a godless bunch of outsiders although the end result was horribly twisted i didnt say the bds were right i just said that thats the way they perceived it koresh was a nutcase and a bunch of other people paid for that and the fbi and batf miscalculated and misunderstood what was going on from the word go very likely possible reminds me of the movie the rapture some things are too important not to give away to everybody else and have none left for yourself dieter the car salesman windows ami pro 3 0 and pctools compress doesnt like being moved has anyone had problems with ami pro 3 0 after running pctools v7 1 compress i have not corrupted data due to having caches other than pc cache running so that is not it the first time i try to run ami pro after loading windows it loads but causes i think it was a segmentation fault in amipro exe right before it finishes with all times after that only managing to get to the logo box that first pops up when it begins loading and then causes a general protection fault in module amiproui dll at 0002 1147 i have not been able to fix this problem except by reinstalling ami pro this has happened twice with both times being after having ran compress on my hard drive btw i am not running stacker or any other disk compression programs and if you dont already know pctools compress is actually a defragger despite its name my system is a 386 40mhz with 16mb of ram and a nec oem hard drive etc but that shouldnt make a difference please email me as i cant keep up with the newsgroup and it will cut down on net traffic anyways thanks derek dpiaseck jarthur claremont edu windows help how to allocate more memory for disk copying in file manager when i use file managers disk copy i find that windows 3 1 can read the whole 1 2mb disk at one time but only 98 of a 1 44 disk it looks like a problem of memory however the pc has 4mb ram there should be some way to allocat more extended memory for disk copy please advise me on this matter thanks in advance huayong cars re do trains busses have radar in article c5fqfy fpq usenet ucs indiana edu mliggett silver ucs indiana edu matthew liggett writes in 1993apr13 111652 usho72 hou281 chevron com hhtra usho72 hou281 chevron com t m haddock writes while taking an extended easter vacation i was going north on i 45 somewhere between centerville tx and dallas tx and i came upon a train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over the northbound lanes there appeared to be movement within the cab and out of curiosity i slowed to 85 to get a better look just as i passed from underneath the trestle my radar detector went into full alert all lights lit and all chirps beeps and buzzes going strong i thought i had been nailed good but no police materialized could this have been caused by the trains radio or what i dont know about trains but ive saw a sign on the back of a greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off it doesnt explain why but it does set off my radar detector from the e net desk of rick colombo cd dcd dsg fermi natl accl lab 708 840 8225 fermilab p o box 500 ms 369 feynman computer center batavia ill usa 60510 colombo fnal fnal gov of course i speak for fermilab congress and the president not windows re why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse in article 93122 153552n51bc cunyvm bitnet n51bc cunyvm bitnet writes everyone seems to think that this mans mouse problem is mechanical its dirty i have been having a similar problem with my mouse and it only occurs when ru nning windows and therefore cannot be mechanical in nature its my understanding that bus mice are more accurate and stable in general than serial mice if i remember correctly its because of the differences in how the interrupts are handled as well as the fact that the mouse data is received over the computer bus as opposed to a 9600 bps serial connection im running a mouse systems compatible mouse on a 486 66 dx2 with a trident 1 meg video card and a m experienceing similar jumpiness as well as strange font subsitutions and mous e traces left on screen and windows gpf errors help is this just a general problem or is it associated with a specific application or group of applications religion re koresh doctrine 4 of 4 in article 1993apr23 221525 4323 ccsvax sfasu edu f gautjw ccsvax sfasu edu wrote well stephens annotated study of david koreshs sermon doesnt bother me its probable that a careful review of what stephen has done with obvious expenditure of thoughtful effort would provide additional insight into david and his love for god may his soul rest in peace and whether or not we agree with various points of theology therein a review would likely provide significant insight into our own love for god one thing that seems apparent from even a cursory reading of koreshs message is that he was not the looney tunes portrayed in the fbi filtered press reports on him but was quite possibly the friendly likeable person his attorney reported him to be someone stated that the davidian cult should not be associated with christianity well i read all those four postings and im now even more convinced that davididians are truly christian in nature but sometimes it makes sense to re label the cult especially if the ugliness is too much to handle cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net windows re windows and ati ultra mach8 chip sizing question in article c6c5za j7i watserv2 uwaterloo ca mike tancsa mdtancsa watarts uwaterloo ca writes i have just upgraded from a trident tvga9000 to an ati graphics ultra the old mach8 chip i am quite pleased with the performance so far but have one problem when using windows in 800x600 i have noticed that the tile bars and scroll bars are significantly larger than they were when i was using the trident card is there a setting in my ini files that i can change to make these smaller i could not find the faq for this list mike mdtancsa watarts uwaterloo ca make sure you use the small fonts driver not the large fonts driver check that in your setup thats the only explanation i would find hope this helps gel baseball re hbp bb big cat in article c5r7tv 36s odin corp sgi com kubey sgi com ken kubey writes i dont blame players like galarraga dawson and mcgee when they swing at a strike and put the ball in play well no problem but i get pretty annoyed when they swing at non strikes and make outs especially ball four on the 3 2 counts dave dave demers demers cs ucsd edu computer science engineering 0114 demers cs ucsd bitnet uc san diego ucsd cs demers la jolla ca 92093 0114 619 534 0688 or 8187 fax 619 534 7029 baseball re royals randall informix com randall rhea writes the royals are darkness they are the void of our time when they play shame descends upon the land like a cold front from canada they are a humiliation to all who have lived and all who shall ever live they are utterly and completely doomed other than that i guess theyre ok you must not be old enough to remember the as in kc tim evans e i du pont de nemours co tkevans eplrx7 es dupont com experimental station 302 695 9353 7395 p o box 80357 evanstk at a1 at esvax wilmington delaware 19880 0357 medicine re update help was what is this is it lymes in article 1993apr7 221357 12533 lamont ldgo columbia edu brenner ldgo columbia edu carl brenner writes see the ulterior motive here it is easy for me to see it the those physicians who call everything lyme and treat everything there is a lot of money involved you keep bringing this up but i dont understand whats in it financially for the physician to go ahead and treat unless the physician has an investment in or is involved in some kickback scheme with the home infusion company where is the financial gain for the doctor well let me put it this way based on my own experience a general practitioner with no training in infectious diseases by establishing links to the lyme community treating patients who come to him wondering about lyme or having decided they have lyme as if they did saying that diseases such as ms are probably spirochetal if not lyme giving talks at meetings of users groups validating the feelings of even delusional patients etc this gp can go from being a run of the mill 100k yr gp to someone with lots of patients in the hospital and getting expensive infusions that need monitoring in his office and making lots of bread also getting the adulation of many who believe his is their only hope if not of cure then of control and seeing his name in publications put out by support groups etc this is a definite temptation gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon religion re question for those with popular morality in article fo2 murdoch acc virginia edu pmy vivaldi acc virginia edu pete yadlowsky writes moral driver distinctions deleted in this case the driver does not evolve but simply is there would probably not be any manifestation in an infant because the moral code has not been learnt yet ie the object upon which the driver acts upon without manifestation though how can the driver be detected for all purposes it seems not to exist until moral coding begins actually i agree with your notion of a driver except that i think its not moral but pre and super moral it is as i mentioned earlier in this thread a primal sense of connection a pre and post natal umbilical the awareness of which is expressed in a partial fragmented way that accomodates and forms in return the language and customs of a given culture this halting pidgin english expression is i think what we come to call morality compare the driver to an urge such as jealousy where there is an urge and an object the jealousy does not technically exist until the object is apparent however the capacity to be jealous is presumably still there even though it is not detectable your description of the unbilical took me three passes to understand but i get the gist and i have to tentatively agree i think our two definitions can sit side by side without too much trouble though i havent attempted to define the reason behind the moral driver only hinted through the essence of each moral your definition hints that animals are also capable of a similar morality simians have a similar social order to ourselves and it is easy to anthropomorphize with these animals is this possible or have i misunderstood if my suggestion holds true then this is the area where work must be carried out to prevent a moral deterioration of society what kind of work exactly well here you have asked the big question i have a slight suspicion that you were hoping i would say something really contentious in this reply from your final question no not at all i was just wondering if you subscribed to some particular school of psycho social thought and rehabilitation and if perhaps you had a plan id have been interested to hear it my p s thoughts falls roughly in line with john stuart mill and his writings on utilitarianism i have no particular plan except to do my bit personal ethics and social work my opinion for what it is worth is that the authority for each moral must be increased somehow and that this will probably take several generations to be effective i dont think that the list of morals has changed for society significantly though the authority element may come from our authority figures and roles models see eric berne and his transactional analysis work mavis klein for references and this is what gives rise to a deterioration of moral standards in the long term ive had some more thoughts on my definitions ive was thinking that i should add moral character to the list of definitions in order to get a dynamic version of the moral nature ie the interplay of the moral code and associated authorities a suitable analogy might be a graphic equaliser on a hifi system the moral nature being the set of frequencies and the chosen amplitudes and the moral character being the spectrum over time conscience is a little more difficult because i cant define it as the reasoning of a person between actions in the context of his moral nature because conscience seems to cut in most of the time unbidden and often unwanted i think conscience is manifest when a decision is made at a given time which compromises ones moral nature my conscience fits in more with freuds superego plus the moral driver with the stimulous being the urges or freuds id the reasoning that i mentioned before is freuds ego i suppose if the moral driver is part of the id then the reason why conscience cuts in unbidden is partially explained the question is what provides the stimulous to activate the moral driver i think i need some more time with this one thats about it for now david on religion oh where is the sea the fishes cried as they swam its clearness through medicine re miscelaneous soon to have baby questions in article c66919 inz world std com rmccown world std com bob mccown writes were about to have our first baby and have a few questions that we dont seem to be able to get answered to our satisfaction reguarding having a baby boy circumsized what are the medical pros and cons all weve heard is its up to the parents unfortonately that truly is about the best summation of the research that there is advantages stated of circumcison included probably prevention of penile cancer which interestingly occurs mostly in men whose personal hygiene is exceptionally poor simplicity of personal hygiene prevention of urinary tract infections and prevention of a unretractible foreskin disadvantages include infection from the procedure pain etc i apologize i am trying to pull this off the top of my head i will post what i discovered in research i did a paper on the topic in my research class in nursing school it really is a decision that is up to the parents some parents use the reasoning that they will look like daddy and like their friends as justification there is nothing wrong with this just be sure it is what you want to do since it is rather difficult to uncircumcise a male although a major surgical procedure exists how about the pregnant woman sitting in a tub of water weve heard stories of infection etc how about after the water has broken as long as your membranes have not broken and you have not had any problems with your pregnancy it should be ok to sit in a tub of water however i would recommend using your own bathtub in your own home it is nearly impossible to guarantee the cleanliness and safety of public hot tubs a nice warm bath can be very relaxing especially if your back is killing you and it would possibly be advisable to avoid bubble bath soap esp if you are prone to yeast infection hope these tips help you some elisa picl25 fsphy1 physics fsu edu windows re winqvtnet with ndis on token ring in article 1993apr21 210954 40516 datamark co nz thomas datamark co nz writes in article 1993apr21 082152 liris tew kuleuven ac be wimvh liris tew kuleuven ac be wim van holder writes is it possible to use winqvt net on a machine that uses ndis to connect to a token ring i tried it with older versions 3 2 but got an invalid packet class error or something the like how are you attempting to do that are you using the dis pkt9 program this provides a packet driver on top of the ndis driver i tried to do so but people told me that even if i used dispkt the packets would still be incompatible is this true thomas beagle thomas datamark co nz work 64 4 233 8186 o technical writer thomas cavebbs welly gen nz home 64 4 499 3832 wellington nz hound for hire will work for dog biscuits wim van holder katholieke universiteit leuven tel 32 0 16 28 57 16 departement t e w fax 32 0 16 28 57 99 dekenstraat 2 b 3000 leuven e mail wimvh liris tew kuleuven ac be belgium fdbaq03 cc1 kuleuven ac be medicine re barbecued foods and health risk from my reading of the popular and scientific literature i think that the benzopyrene from burned fat problem is probably real but very small compared to other kinds of risks this type of problem also occurs with stove top pan grilling one possible remedy i have read about is to take some vitamin c with your meal of barbecue or bacon e g this may make sense because vit c is an antioxidant which could counteract the adverse affect of some of the chemicals in question bon apetit sanford silverman opinions expressed here are my own american cyanamid sandy pt cyanamid com silvermans pt cyanamid com yeast is best windows ms windows access for the blind we are developing an ms windows based product that uses a full screen window to display 24 rows of textual data is there any product for microsoft windows that will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently quickly please email responses and i will post a summary to this group thanks for any help john bruno guns re boston gun buy back ron miller wrote when you ask the question of the authorities or sponsors of buyback programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer no its total amnesty good point about registration schemes being used only for harassment deleted i would also like to point out that this is receiving stolen property and is no different than a pawn shop owner doing the same thing myron petro nra uspsa dvc yall the opinions included in this post are my sole responsibility and are protected by the first amendment and guarnteed by the second amendment if amnesty was their concern they should pay in cash rather than moneyorder and they should check to see if the gun turned in was stolen or not this way if a gun turns out to be stolen then even if they wanted to prosecute they dont know who to prosecute since the only concern of these hci and the like people seems to be the total eradication of guns legal or illegal why should they bother to check for stolen property if they knew who the rightful owner is then they would have to return the gun and hence contrary to their intent to ban all guns windows re windows zip unzip in article 1rl9b6 h3c sol deakin oz au russ deakin oz au russ sharp writes we are using pkzip v2 04 and i am interested to hear from people who have used one of the many windows programs that call these which ones are available and does any one stand out amongst the rest well i got winzip from cica dont know which version but i think its the latest as this is not long ago and i was initially imressed but heres the low down winzip is a great progra as long as you only unzip it lets you vew files unzip only selected files and even puts the files in a checkout directory and creates a checkout grp and group if you want to check the program out it even prompts for deletion of these on exit if you didn t like the program however big however over here i have problems zipping i dont konw specifics on this or ammount of consistency but sometimes when i zip a few files or add a file to a zip dos will violate something or other and ill be asked in a kind micro oft kind of way to quit all applications quit windows and restart my computer i dont know as i said how consistent this is as i jdont zip much and when i do now i just go to dos and use it from there or just use the run cmd but i do know its happened when i added files to an existing zip file and when i created a new zip file using selected files only i dont know if its happened when i zip an entire dir still it has a rather nice interface and quite useful unzip ing functions if the above is fixed ill be the first to register the new ver as for now a good old run unzip zip will work ps if a new ver is out that fixes these please let me know peace mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed in article c5ueed 48d apollo hp com nelson p apollo hp com peter nelson writes in article 1993apr21 093914 1 woods ulowell edu cotera woods ulowell edu writes in article 1r17j9 5ie sbctri sbc com netd susie sbc com writes in article 20apr199301460499 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu stephen writes for those who think david koresh didnt have a solid structure or sound biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast i dont think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his sermon its the deaths hes responsible for that concern most people i assume you have evidence that he was responsible for the deaths koresh was a nut okay again id like to see some evidence nut or not he was clearly a liar he said he would surrender after local radio stations broadcast his message but he didnt then he said he would surrender after passover but he didnt the rest of the story seems to be that the agreement for the broadcast was for prime time and that koresh never even heard it played wasnt even tuned in to the radio when it aired so no reason to come out if later they had given him a copy of the grossly twisted newswire transcript im certain koresh would think he was at the mercy of evil itself as to coming out after passover wasnt that just one of the lawyers speculations peter j stephen baseball re rickey henderson in article 1993apr5 173500 26383 ra msstate edu js1 isis msstate edu jiann ming su writes i say buy out hendersons contract and let him go bag groceries next season youll be able to sign him for nothing that goes for any bitching ball player i doubt henderson would clear waivers and if he did he would instantly be signed for the major league minimum with oakland picking up the remaining 3 million tab some gms value on field performance too valentine baseball re braves pitching updatedir dave naehring x2079 p7630 ep502dn pts mot com wrote in article 2482 adobe com snichols adobe com sherri nichols writes every single piece of evidence we can find points to major league baseball being 50 offense 50 defense a run scored is just as important as a run prevented this certainly passes the common sense test for me but is there any statistical evidence to say what percent of defense is pitching and what percent is fielding id really like to know btw sherri thanks for the da data i find it fascinating one of the chapters in palmer and thorns hidden game is titled pitching is 44 of baseball implying that fielding is 6 how do they determine that beats me its been a long long time since i read it one also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning with the split probably somewhere around 49 5 and 0 5 neal traven pitt edu youre only young once but you can be traven vms cis pitt edu immature forever larry andersen cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico in article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu david g wonnacott writes im considering switching to geico insurance but have heard that they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim i was worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim i have also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident im interestend in determining whether or not these things are true has anyone out there with geico made a claim id be interested in hearing whether or not you were satisfied with the service and whether you then had trouble renewing your policy im also interested in any good or bad stories about liberty mutual or state farm stay away from geico a recent car driver issue has an article about geico giving free laser guns to police departments to increase theyre speed limit enforcement the article also said that if you get a speeding ticket your premium will increase dramatically based on how much over the limit you were if i remember correctly at more than 20 over youll get something like a 65 increase if you have a radar detector you will be denied coverage or dropped immediately one accident claim and you will be dropped after many years with geico my father who had 0 tickets and had made 0 claims had an accident and filed an 800 claim he was dropped immediately since then he has been with state farm for years with no complaints i have been with state farm for about 20 years no complaints travis religion what is a christian was re davidians and compassion in article 1993apr21 211707 7828 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee writes in article f2dutxh quack kfu com pharvey quack kfu com paul harvey writes in article 1993apr20 144825 756 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee writes if one does not follow the teachings of christ he is not christian too easy that would exclude most self proclaimed christians do you follow the ten commandments as a matter of fact yes i do or at least i strive to i will not be so proud as to boast that my faith is 100 i am still human and imperfect and therefore liable to sin thankfully there is opportunity for repentence and forgiveness god be with you malcolm lee it sounds like youre modifying your definition of christian to anyone who strives to follow the teachings of christ do i read you correctly and just what constitutes strive did jesus say this and define just what striving means can you give an example of striving that is insufficient to qualify one as a christian and thus condemns one to eternal damnation in fiery torture do you self proclaim yourself a christian and if so on what basis medicine re help for kidney stones in article 1993apr21 143910 5826 wvnvms wvnet edu pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu writes my girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones she says that because she has no medical insurance she cannot get them removed my question is there any way she can treat them herself or at least mitigate their effects any help is deeply appreciated advice referral to literature etc thank you dave carvell pk115050 wvnvms wvnet edu first let me offer you my condolences ive had kidney stones 4 times and i know the pain she is going through first it is best that she see a doctor however every time i had kidney stones i saw my doctor and the only thing they did was to prescribe some pain killers and medication for a urinary tract infection the pain killers did nothing for me kidney stones are extremely painful my stones were judged passable so we just waited it out however the last one took 10 days to pass not fun anyway if she absolutely wont see a doctor i suggest drinking lots of fluids and perhaps an over the counter sleeping pill but i do highly suggest seeing a doctor kidney stones are not something to fool around with she should be x rayed to make sure there is not a serious problem steve guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r75n1inn97g clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes in article dusek 735489223 shale dusek rtsg mot com james p dusek writes ccdarg dct ac uk alan greig writes or the cultists i think ill quote the bbc quoting actually voice interview one of the two british survivors he claimed that the fire started when the tanks caused an internal wooden wall roof to collapse knocking over kerosene lamps and that they had no suicide plan if the fbi started the fire why didn t people flee the burning building i dont know why this is the ap story from fri morning as the walls came tumbling down and tear gas filled the air cult leader david koresh sprang into action he left his third floor bedroom and began looking around the house making sure women and children were secure and checking that everyone had their gas masks on properly within hours the compound became an inferno nine branch davidians excaped this is their story gleaned from lawyers who spoke with six of them who are jailed on charges that include conspiracy and murder that day the six said a portable radio offered the only contact with the outside world since koreshs right hand man steve schneider ripped out the compoundss phone line after fbi agents called before dawn monday saying this was the cults last chance come out or prepare to get forced out they kept their word by dawn tanks were battering the mount carmel compound punching for hours to creat holes for tear gas to enter the bd meanwhile proceeded with their daily routines strapped into gas masks the women did laundry others read bibles in their rooms the 17 children all under 10 remained by their mothers sides still it was hard to ignore what was happening around them each time a tank rammed the poorly constructed building it shook violently cult members dodges falling gypsum wallboard and doors hundreds of gas canisters hurled in from the armored vehicles were filling the air with noxious fumes the flying canisters were more frightening than the tanks at least one man was hit in the face the gas began filling the air driven by heavy gusts of wind coming through windows and the holes the tanks made scattered throughout the house the cult members made no efforts to gather then the fbi sent in its biggest weapon a massive armored vehicle headed for a chamber lined with cinder blocks where authorities hoped to find koresh and schneider and fire tear gas directly at them here the cult members story diverges from the governments version the fbi says cult members set fires in three places but each of the six cult members in separate discussions with lawyers consistently gave versions at odds with the fbis account they say the tank flattened a barrel of propane spilling its contents and as the tank thundered through the house it tipped over lit lanterns spitting flames that ignited the propane and other flammables the home of used lumber plywood and wallboard tacked together with tar paper was vulnerable the building erupted nine bds escaped jumping through windows and dashing through other openings others died groping in the blackness frank cars re looking for tips for driving cross country r goldstein rdg world std com sez as the subject says i am moving from mass to calif and will be driving mostly on interstate 80 any advice from folks who have done it before plan your gas stops in major city areas to avoid the 25 cent per gallon only gas station for 50 miles and youre an out of towner surcharge prepare your car dont forget things like your fuel air filters if youre loading your car up consider putting your spare on top of your stuff just in case of a flat in my x country trip a tire disintegrated in the california desert it took me 20 minutes to unload all my stuff to get to the tire if you have a hatchback cover all your stuff with a white bedsheet to help keep the stuff and your car cool as well as possibly avoiding theft mcdonalds have good clean bathrooms invest in a 30 cb magnetic roof antenna it may help if youre stranded and you can always ask people for places to stop for food etc many times police like to hang out in the 1st 10 miles after you enter a new state to catch all the speeders who have escaped the previous state same as above when you enter a 55mph city zone after hours and hours of 65mph rural interstate dave davetorok torok nynexst com 914 644 2378 fax 914 644 2404 juggle nynex science technology 500 westchester ave white plains ny 10604 cars re market access in article 1993apr22 044605 29922 leland stanford edu underdog leland stanford edu dwight joe writes in article 1993apr22 041452 27262 eecs nwu edu andrew eecs nwu edu andrew sung hyun kim writes what about the rice import issue of course it is not closed up like a shell but how open is it compared to to us japan is much more open than korea yes a pontiac grand am suffers a factor of 2 increase in price when it is exported to japan however a dodge vehicle the one that congressman gephardt mentioned suffers a factor of 4 increase in price when it is exported to korea a ford taurus suffers the same problem a honda accord costs i am not making this up 48 000 in korea just how many people would want to buy a honda accord for 48 000 solution all ships carrying korean made vehicles should be returned to seoul pronto until as such time as korea decides that it wants to abide by the rules of free and fair trade with the usa and japan now now before we get too carried away here keep in mind that owning any car in korea is a luxury that only the ruling class can afford every government agency worth its salt finds some reason to levy a tax on car ownership last i heard there were seven different fees to pay to own a car i believe this is the sort of petty bureaucratic inefficiency that new president kim young sam wants to eradicate basically i think the rules came into place as bureaucrats from plebian backgrounds wanted to wreak revenge on the ruling class in exchange zaibatsus like hyundai screwed over smaller companies perpetuating a vicious cycle i have faith that korean people can potentially build cars as well as anyone else but for now hyundai cars seem to reflect the tensions within society of screwy components that wont work together stubborn like a mule the car either wont go forward or wont stop at all baseball stats question i am just wondering whether the official mlb stats includes intentional walks in the bb category or not wenhsiang lin windows re windows speaker sound driver tony s annese claebaur shell portal com wrote in article 1993apr19 235430 6097 mnemosyne cs du edu alee mnemosyne cs du edu alec lee writes is there an ftp site where i can get the ms speaker sound driver theres a sound exe file that claims to be the driver but im suspicious since its not a drv file thats the file its a self extracting archive run it and it extracts a drv file michael groeten uit o michael schaap o nederland t p mscha ctp com ctp sherrif inc dept damn good coffee and hot windows re can i change licensed to data in windows 3 1 ok then where is the info for the licensing kept which file in the organization box i put my address and when i moved i wanted to change it but couldnt find it i could find my name but not the organization robert s dubinski aliases include robb regal sir mr and i marquette university math computer science double major internet address 2a42dubinski vms csd mu edu milwaukee wi baseball re finnally the phils have support the phillies were picked to be in first someone replied that the people who picked them were the same people who picked the mets last year my reply yeah that may be true but this is the phillies fritz baseball seeking all star game info ok ok ok first my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request but here goes anyhow im very interested in finding out how i might be able to get two tickets for the all star game in baltimore this year my very aged folks live about 50 miles away and i know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game i went with them and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child to the all star game in dc many years ago although im now in the sf bay area id love to be able to treat my folks to this game its absolutely the last chance theyd ever have to attend this g ame locally any info would be greatly appreciated mary cole mcole informix com windows playing midi music on ati stereo f x cd sound card i am running windows 3 1 in 386 enhanced mode the sound card i have is the ati stereo f x cd sound card which claims adlib and soundblaster compatibility using windows mediaplayer i can play the midi files that came with my sound card however i cant play any of the midi files that belong to the winjammer midi editor that i ftpd from cica i also cant play any midi files i generate with muzika also from cica when i try to play the files a dialog box pops up saying that the music may not play right and it has a checkbox asking me if i wish to disable this message in the future is this normal or do i have something set wrong i would really like to be able to write music on muzika and have my computer play it i also ftpd the game dare2dream for windows from cica and its music wont play either i get the same dialog box the midi mappers that i have are ati ext midi ati opl3 midi and vanilla i have tried using all three any help suggestions shoulders to cry on etc would be appreciated very much john p john punshon punshon cs usask ca baseball re the real way to speed up ballgames in article tom 93apr20125808 amber ssd csd harris com tom ssd csd harris com tom horsley writes the real way to speed up ballgames is for each home park owner to offer the following schedule of bonuses to players on both teams details deleted i suspect you could finance this the same way presidential campaigns are paid for offer each fan a checkoff on his or her ticket that says i want 5 of the price of this ticket to go towards fast game bonuses oh great we fans can subsidize the cost of speeding up the games that we dont want to see sped up terrific oh i forgot checking off that box to finance presidential campaigns doesnt cost us taxpayers anything do you believe in the tooth fairy too the beastmaster sorry i hate to be so sarcastic on such a beautiful day mark singer mss netcom com medicine thermogenics hi im an avid dieter and the new miracle drug seems to involve thermo genics the drug is claimed to stimulate the brown fat to burn food creating eat as opposed to the fat being stored there are all sorts of warnings about fevers elevated blood pressure and heart rate ect the silver lining is that apparently some weight loss does not require a change in diet is this possible are the pills dangerous or just hoaxes karen cars re open letter to nissan really station wagon this weeks autoweek talks about how wagons are getting back in vogue i wouldnt mind an audi s4 wagon great stealth value but youll never catch me dead in a minivan eliot cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer writes i think that it is technicaly known as a 180 degree vee configuration could be wrong this is how ive seen them referred to then what is a flat engine flat 180 deg v horizonatlly opposed usually it also equals boxer however i think the term is traditionally reserved for 8s and 12s and firing order matters this was talked about here in r a many months back i cant remember the consensus examples ferraris 512tr is a flat 12 boxer porsches 911 is a flat 6 subarus impreza is a flat 4 regards brian bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu i am the engineer i can choose k department of engineering mechanics ohio state university columbus oh baseball defensive averages 1988 1992 third base compiled from the last five defensive average reports here are the career das for the individual players in the reports stats are courtesy of sherri nichols players are listed in descending order third basemen name 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 88 92 mitchell kevin 690 0 690 gonzales rene 685 0 685 leius scott 653 680 0 672 pendleton terry 692 685 631 689 634 0 667 ventura robin 641 647 677 0 657 wallach tim 728 674 600 630 665 0 657 gruber kelly 717 657 580 630 664 0 650 pagliarulo mike 631 575 744 0 649 harris lance 642 652 0 648 howell jack 656 666 609 0 647 williams matt 633 653 656 0 647 caminiti ken 675 630 653 596 0 642 sabo chris 751 626 616 613 575 0 642 gaetti gary 616 638 655 632 0 637 buechele steve 647 616 647 681 599 0 635 salazar luis 617 643 637 0 632 pecota bill 629 0 629 schmidt mike 628 0 628 riles ernie 627 0 627 boggs wade 643 659 550 653 634 0 626 martinez egdar 621 645 599 0 624 molitor paul 633 617 0 624 phillips tony 623 0 623 nl average 643 625 602 623 603 0 619 brookens tom 616 0 616 king jeff 616 0 616 seitzer kevin 654 583 593 635 0 616 al average 641 612 604 620 602 0 615 jacoby brook 624 621 600 597 0 613 hansen dave 611 0 611 law vance 635 576 0 611 magadan dave 609 0 609 jefferies greg 606 0 606 sharperson mike 606 0 606 zeile todd 614 593 0 605 baerga carlos 604 0 604 hayes chris 601 622 606 574 0 602 livingstone scott 597 0 597 hamilton j 611 584 0 595 kelly pat 595 0 595 lyons steve 590 0 590 oberkfell ken 590 0 590 johnson howard 628 549 611 573 0 588 bell buddy 587 0 587 lansford carney 620 578 594 550 0 587 presley jim 643 595 530 0 584 schu rick 584 0 584 worthington cal 583 575 0 580 hollins dave 577 0 577 sheffield gary 584 567 0 575 blauser jeff 573 0 573 fryman travis 571 0 571 gantner jim 570 0 570 gomez lee 551 542 0 546 palmer dean 520 0 520 dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu grad student at large it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball windows re diamond ss24x win 3 1 mouse cursor in article 1993apr15 204845 24939 nlm nih gov dabl2 nlm nih gov don a b lindbergh writes anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the diamond 1024x768x256 driver sorry dont know the version of the driver no indication in the menus but its a recently delivered gateway system am going to try the latest drivers from diamond bbs but wondered if anyone else had seen this as a followup this is a co workers machine he has the latest 2 03 drivers it only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver sometimes it takes a minute or so for the cursor to wig out but it eventually does in this mode i susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants i excluded a000 c7ff in the emm386 line and in system ini the problem persisted perhaps it is something specific to the gateway machine or its components it is a 66mhz dx 2 eisa bus with an ultrastore 24xx controller ah well i was hoping this was some kind of known problem or somebody had seen it before perhaps a call to gateway is in order but i do find folks here usually are far more in the know don lindbergh dabl2 lhc nlm nih gov cars re too fast in article 3090 shaman wv tek com andrew frip wv tek com writes so is cocaine whats your point that neither is harmful when used carefully guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors chiu io nosc mil francis chiu writes brent irvine irvine uxh cso uiuc edu wrote failed to mention the davidians pouring kerosene all over and lighting it i plain view brent im still waiting to see if there are any evidence of how the fire got started so im not going to tell you who did it as far as you keep talking about the davidians pouring kerosene all over stop and think for a second if it is possible the stove or lamp was knocked over and started a fire and the davidians were pouring water on it wrong solution but i doubt i can do much better in their states of mind to try to put it out by the way just how far where you standing from the davidians when you saw them setting the place on fire oh in case you are new in town microwave ovens doesnt work very well when theres no electricty 0 get some facts before you post next time f chiu first the fbi said they saw two members of the cult start the fire and the fbi never lies second the first started in opposite ends of the compound at the same time and thirdly the fire spread too quickly for it not to be help without an accelerate stevek cellar org steve kraisler the cellar bbs 215 539 3043 guns my sig my sig has generated more mail than any of my posts robin hood is a school financing plan wherein property rich school districts will have a portion of their tax revenue taken from them and given to property poor districts the laudable plan is to equalize the per student spending imho however it is a disaster waiting to happen taxes will go up in 50 of the districts and we will lose control of how our tax money is spent it penalizes districts that have excelled and the election is saturday along with city council school board and the unfinished senate term and after i exercise one right im going to exercise another dillon pyron the opinions expressed are those of the ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated 214 462 3556 when im here 214 492 4656 when im home texans vote no on robin hood we need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions not gestures padi dm 54909 medicine re frequent nosebleeds in article 9304191126 aa21125 seastar seashell bebmza sru001 chvpkh chevron com beverly m zalan writes my 6 year son is so plagued lots of vaseline up his nose each night seems to keep it under control but let him get bopped there and hell recur for days also allergies colds dry air all seem to contribute but again the vaseline or a d ointment or neosporin all seem to keep them from recurring if you can get it you might want to try a canadian over the counter product called secaris which is a water soluble gel compared to vaseline or other greasy ointments secaris seems more compatible with the moisture thats already there michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi windows re wanted address symantec dewinter prl philips nl rob de winter writes i am looking for the exact address of the symantec coporatoin which distributes norton desktop and other windows software the information i am looking for is mail address phone number fax number e mail address try postmaster norton com or postmaster symantec com thanks in advance nothing beats skiing if you want to have real fun during holidays rob de winter philips research ist it building wl 1 p o box 80000 5600 ja eindhoven the netherlands tel 31 40 743621 e mail dewinter prl philips nl ken lam network administrator university of charleston dept of biology geology s c space grant consortium 803 792 4969 fax 803 792 5446 cars question to nissan 300zx owners gurus esp 87 89 models i purchased a used 1988 nissan 300zx non turbo last year i had a question on gear rpm ratios right now in 5th 65mph im at 2600 2700 rpms 70mph im at about 2900rpms is this about the norm im an auto neophyte so im just wondering if these are the proper ranges somehow the rpm figures seem high a friend of mine just told me he can hit 60mph in 3rd on his 88 chevy beretta 2 8l v6 also anyone know the top speed attainable redline for this model z not that i would try it but it would be an interesting factoid thanx derek fire and love the two extremes wojciech ossek nrl navy mil that we live between fire and love theres more to life than surfing or snowboarding the eye can see guardian ridin the wave windows re windows nt und x windows in 1993apr26 172936 908 eurom rhein main de hein eurom rhein main de hein roehrig writes i am not sure whether i am here in the right area but does anybody here know whether windows nt does will include a x windows server so that it can run x window applications remotely no it does not insisting on perfect safety is for people who dont have the balls to live in the real world mary shafer nasa ames dryden fred mccall dseg ti com i dont speak for others and they dont speak for me medicine bone marrow sclerosis i am looking for information on possible causes and long term effects of bone marrow sclerosis i would also be thankful if anyone reading this newsgroup could list some recognized treatment centers if anything else than massive blood transfusion can be effective if you plan on a go to the library style reply please be kind enough to add a list of suggested topics or readings medicine is not my field regards joel malard joel cs mcgill ca guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in c5sv4r hfa news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes and quotes a lot of stuff unnecessarily in article 93869 hydra gatech edu glenns eas gatech edu writes worth posting again hey gang its not about duck hunting or about dark alleys its about black clad helmeted and booted troops storming houses and violating civil rights under color of law are you ready to defend your constitution its also about crazy fatigue clad survivalist types blasting the snot out of people who accidentally stray onto his land in the name of self defense dont get too self righteous mr gun toter aint got a pair of fatigues and i dont blast people wandering aimlessly i ask them what theyre doing there i only blast people who display obvious violent intent like black clad men with weapons climbing thru second story windows or people who break down the door instead of knocking or people who knock my house down with tanks and set it afire sound familiar yet riddle me this why the hell are the convicted criminals in ohio getting the kid glove treatment and the bds are burned alive without a trial put aside who started the blaze i still think any decent shyster can make a case for cruel and unusual punishment playing the sounds of tortured rabbits over the loudspeakers wheres the spca in all this oh and thats mister gun toter sir to you bucko just because you choose to abandon your rights leave mine the hell alone thankyouverymuch glenn r stone glenns eas gatech edu impeach clinton reno the case is prima facie windows re emm386 exe and windows and dos6 in a previous article rudim cs kuleuven ac be rudi maelbrancke says in windows i created a permanent swap file of 7771kb as win3 1 recommended me to do that 32bit access if i use emm386 exe after win3 1 startup i have 6689k of memory free if i leave emm386 exe out of my config sys i have 9935k of memory free and windows recommends me a swap file of 11769k i think you need the emm386 exe noems this will let the expanded mem be active but not use any therefore this will give you more extended mem for windows yet have all the bases covered i use dos6 with memmaker have 4mb of internal memory and a 486dx i do not use dos6 so i am not familiar with this does anybody knows why this is happening possibly win needs some umbs to manage virtual memory if true which umbs those that emm386 can find without including suspicious parts i need an optimized dos environment because i develop applications for dos using a windows programming environment rudi c ya artin this communication is sent by artin university of arizona tucson ak333 cleveland freenet edu mlinsenb ccit arizona edu mlinsenb arizvms death has been dead for about 2 000 years follow the king of kings cars re warning please read enough already lets take this discussion to some other newsgroup thats more appropriate most of us are tired of it and would like to get back to old cars imho chuck lampman chuck lampman gstrf gatech edu windows fast display adaptors for windows a friend and i have ati graphic ultra display adaptors and they have been reasonably good performers but we both have had irritating compatibility problems with the ati drivers and are ready to change to something faster and more compatible with windows i have heard rumblings that the new orchid 9000 card is very fast anyone have experience with this card what is currently available that is fast compatible does 1280x1024x256 non interlaced and cost under 500 ken keirnan ken keirnan pacific bell kjkeirn srv pacbell com san ramon california religion re whos next mormons and jews in article 93109 211935isscck byuvm bitnet isscck byuvm bitnet casper c knies writes please allow me to explain myself in 1838 the governor of missouri casper c knies isscck byuvm bitnet brigham young university isscck vm byu edu ucs computer facilities capser before you deceive everone into thinking that the latter day saints have undergone undue persecution through the years for just believing in their religion perhaps you would like to tell us all what happened in the mountain meadow massacres and all the killings that were done under the blood atonement doctrine at the command of brigham young guns re the truth about waco ok quick scenario youre at home not bothering anybody next thing you know somebody comes crashing in the upstairs window and you hear an explosion you see that this individual has a submachinegun and that more similarly armed individuals are rushing your front door will you a defend yourself and family against this attack b realize oh only the batf would enter like that so i better surrender or c roll over and let whoever is attacking your home do what they would like you have chosen a and discover that the people you defended yourself against are federal agents who now are camped outside your door waiting for you to surrender you have learned that they intend to charge you with murder and are further defaming your name while claiming that you can safely surrender at any time then they start using psychological warfare techniques against you while still claiming that you can safely give up and will receive a fair trial some weeks into this standoff you are still holding out when they begin a new ploy to induce your surrender namely using tear gas to annoy you and ramming your home with tanks yet they claim that you can safely surrender at any time while you patiently wait out this latest round of attacks your house catches fire and the bales of hay you were using as cover spread the fire rapidly through the house and you try to escape through the fortifications you had raised for your own defense and the rubble created by the tanks only 9 of your followers make it i am not claiming that the above scenario is accurate i am disagreeing with the notion that it is their own fault for dying because they refused to surrender to agents of the federal government after another federal agency committed an armed assault of their home on the basis of a flimsily concocted search warrant look at how the texas rangers view the batf look at the fbi statements regarding the batf actions from all apparent sources the fbi blundered trying to clean up the mess made by the batf resulting in an accidental fire which killed most of the bds who were still in the compound and are now playing cya the batf committed an illegal assault obtained the use of texas ng resources with fabricated allegations and compounded their abuses by accusing the bds of crimes outside their jurisdiction once they had been held off in their assault james s cochrane when in danger or in doubt run in this space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles scream and shout for rent windows re ndw norton desktop for windows in article 2773 leland stanford edu shiva leland stanford edu matt jacobson writes i have taken it out of win ini but it still pops up running with windows i did a big search and found reference to it in ndw ini system ini and progman ini removing it here causes a failure when starting up windows progrman ini has a group 7 ndw exe which cant be deleted is there anyone familiar with ndw who can tell me how to turn it off one of the items in the group folder typically called norton desktop applications is labelled norton desktop uninstall need i say more kris b gupta cardiothoracic imaging research center dept radiology hospital of u of pennsylvania internet kris gynko circ upenn edu guns quotes requested i need quotes from jefferson hamilton madison or any of the other founders that support the idea that the second amendment was written into the constitution so that the populace could protect itself it the government began to degenerate into tyrrany if you have any with sources please mail them to me thanks jonathan s haas jake liked his women the way he liked university of michigan his kiwi fruit sweet yet tart firm positron eecs umich edu fleshed yet yielding to the touch and finger for pgp 2 2 key covered with short brown fuzzy hair windows hhy wont my dos apps run in a window can somebody help me out there i have just purchased win 3 1 and i just cant get dos apps text mode apps to run in a window on their own ive tried mucking around with the pif settings etc but to no avail what am i doing wrong i didnt get this problem under v3 0 thanks in advance jason windows help finding best development kit im new to the ms windows world and while a fairly competent sparc nextstep programmer i have no idea which development kit to purchase i have heard good things about borland c with application frameworks and microsofts visual c with sdk what i would like is peoples comments on which package or set of tools they find useful or productive and why there are a plethora of other kits such as gui toolkits available and im wondering which of these are best in terms of reliability plug and go type operation readability and so on id be interested in comments on these or anything else you may find useful i will summarize to the net if there is enough interest thanks veenu vrr cbnewsj att com medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition i agree with everything that lee lady wrote in her previous post in this thread in case this puzzles people i would like to expand on two of her comments in article c5jodh 9ig news hawaii edu lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee lady writes avoiding mistakes is certainly highly desirable however it is also widely acknowledged that perfectionism is inimicable to creativity in the extreme case a perfectionist becomes so paralyzed by all the possible mistakes he might make that he is unable to even leave the house one of the most important and difficult aspects of reasoning about empirical investigation lies in understanding the context scope and importance of the various arguments and pieces of evidence that are marshalled for a claim some errors break the back of a piece of research some leave a hole that needs to be filled in and some are trivial in their importance it is a grave mistake to confuse these past snippets from this thread i doubt if einstein used any formal methodology he also proposed numerous experiments which if performed would distinguish a universe in which special relativity holds from one in which it does not back to lee lady these are not the rules according to many who post to sci med and sci psychology according to these posters if its not supported by carefully designed controlled studies then its not science these posters are making the mistake that i have previously criticized of adhering to a methodological recipe a carefully designed and controlled study is neither always possible nor always important on the other hand if someone is proposing a remedy that supposedly alleviates a chronic medical problem we have enough knowledge of the errors that have plagued this kind of claim to ask for a carefully designed and controlled study to alleviate our skepticism rules such as support the hypothesis by a carefully designed and controlled study are too narrow to apply to all investigation i think that the requirements for particular reasoning to be convincing depends greatly on the kinds of mistakes that have occurred in past reasoning about the same kinds of things to reuse the previous example we know that conclusions from uncontrolled observations of the treatment of chronic medical problems are notoriously problematic russell cars re lo jack according to a lojack representative i saw recently lojack must be installed by an authorized lojack dealer and is placed in one of roughly 30 spots in the car thanks steve m att com mantic srmal sure aviad windows format a s under win dos6 has anyone experienced problems formatting a system floppy in the file manager under dos 6 i get a formatted disk but when i boot with it my hard drive isnt recognized i did install doublespace also i was able to make a good working system floppy from the dos 6 command shell no windows let me know if youve had this problem too and if youve heard whats going on craig silver computer science at simon fraser university silver sfu ca internet burnaby b c canada guns re handgun restrictions to bbs billand tsoft net subject re handgun restrictions newsgroups talk politics guns in reply to ow522b2w165w tsoft net organization cray research inc cc bcc in article ow522b2w165w tsoft net you write i would like to know what restrictions there are on purchasing handguns ie waiting periods background check etc in the states of nevada and oregon thanks bill bill anderson bbs billand tsoft net in oregon your must get a background check ie fingerprints full slap 15 day waiting period that is unless you have a ccw then all requirments have been meet ernie smith ernie oregon cray com baseball re wounded redbirds in article 1993apr21 172328 29720 bme ri ccf org tknuth bio ri ccf org writes in article 1 acad drake edu sbp002 acad drake edu writes does anyone know the status of jeffries or arocha arocha broke his finger trying to field a ground ball he was put on the dl after the game and may require surgery the injury is to his fielding hand which is good unfortunately he may have some ligament damage and may require surgery which would lay him up for a while i dont know about jefferies apparently just a strain of some sort he hasnt been put on the dl so its probably just day to day aaron windows re diamond stealth 24 in article s90 charm magnus acs ohio state edu vromanel magnus acs ohio state edu vincent a romanelli writes i recently purchased a diamond stealth 24 isa graphics accelerator card based upon a positive review by steve gibson of infoworld although its fast i find its windows drivers extremely buggy despite implementing all of the diamond technical support suggestions does anyone else have any experience with this card any feedback appreciated i have had a lot of problems with it i belive i have the latest drivers for it there are some occasions when i fire up windows it works great if you ever find newer drivers i would appreciate a pointer to there location paul religion re a kind and loving god in article 9304141620 aa01443 dangermouse mitre org jmeritt mental mitre org writes leviticus 21 9 and the daughter of any priest if she profane herself by playing the whore she profaneth her father she shall be burnt with fire deuteronomy 22 20 21 and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her fathers house and the men of the city shall stone her with stones that she die deuteronomy 22 22 if a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband then they shall both of them die deuteronomy 22 23 24 if a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband and a man find her in the city and lie with her then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city and ye shall stone them with stones that they die deuteronomy 22 25 but if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field and the man force her and lie with her then the man only that lay with her shall die these laws written for the israelites gods chosen people whom god had expressly set apart from the rest of the world the israelites were a direct witness to gods existence to disobey god after knowing that god is real would be an outright denial of god and therefore immediately punishable remember these laws were written for a different time and applied only to gods chosen people but jesus has changed all of that we are living in the age of grace sin is no longer immediately punishable by death there is repentance and there is salvation through our lord jesus christ and not just for a few chosen people salvation is available to everyone jew and gentile alike god be with you malcolm lee baseball re nl vs al doug roberts ken hill for nl mvp lets go spos guns cnn report fbi atf killing all americans cnn just reported the atf and the fbi have begun killing everyone in the united states a press release stated this action was required because bugs had revealed that many people were doing something illegal in their homes and statistical data indicated that those who werent might someday do something illegal an atf spokesperson just before he shot himself stated that this would clean up things once and for all if the citizens can be gathered into groups of more than 100 the fbi has indicated they will burn them just like we did those kooks in waco it hasnt been decided how the new proposed energy tax will enter into this an irs representative stated were looking at the tax code to determine if taxes really end at death with this many dead americans we dont want to overlook anything an atf agent ran into the room and shot her stay tuned rich cars re lexus and infiniti in article afqzkhs00iv1e2yiss andrew cmu edu joseph d mazza mazz andrew cmu edu writes btw i just saw the new q45 on tv this weekend the big changes a grille has been added looks nice too and some wood for the interior otherwise it looked largely unchanged they changed the lights and slope of the hood along with the new grille otherwise it is unchanged interestingly their lack of wood and lack of a grille was a big design statement they tried to defy conventional wisdom and carve their own niche unfortunately sales were only half those of the lexus and hence they now join the pack i still wonder if much of the problem wasnt the slow start from the initial ad campaign personally i like the q without the grille steve morris m a internet smorris sumax seattleu edu addiction studies pgm uucp uw beaver uunet gtenmc dataio sumax smorris seattle university phone 206 296 5350 dept or 296 5351 direct seattle wa 98122 windows how do i make ghostscript work what files do i need to download for ghostscript 2 5 2 i have never used ghostscript before so i dont have any files for it what i do have is gs252win zip which i downloaded from cica unfortunately it doesnt seem to work on its own but needs some more files that i dont have i want to run ghostscript both in windows 3 1 and in ms dos on a 386 pc i understand theres versions for both environments what are all the files i need to download and where can i get them any info would be appeciated steve w brewer rewerb w evets cl238405 ulkyvx louisville edu ude ellivsiuol xvyklu 504832lc medicine cholistasis sp fat free diet pregnancy hi ive just returned from a visit with my ob gyn and i have a few concerns that maybe yall can help me with ive been seeing her every 4 weeks for the past few months im at week 28 and during the last 2 visits ive gained 9 to 9 1 2 pounds every 4 weeks she said this was unacceptable over any 4 week period as it stands ive thus far gained 26 pounds also she says that though im at 28 weeks the babys size is 27 weeks i think she mentioned 27 inches for the top of the fundus when i was 13 weeks the babys size was 14 weeks i must also add that i had an operation a few years ago for endometriosis and ive had no problems with endometriosis but apparently it is causing me pain in my pelvic region during the pregnancy and i have a very difficult time moving and the doc has recommended i not walk or move unless i have to i have a little handicapped sticker for when i do need to go out anyway thats 1 2 of the situation the other is that almost from the beginning of pregnancy i was getting sick throwing up about 2 3 times a day and mostly it was bile that was being eliminated i told her about this i know this because i wasnt eating very much due to the nausea and could see the results well now i only get sick about once every 1 2 weeks and it is still bile related but in addition i had begun to feel movement near my upper right abdomen just below the right breast usually when i was lying on my right side it began to get worse though because it started to hurt when i lay on my right side and then it hurt no matter what position i was in next i noticed that when i ate greasy or fatty foods i felt like my entire abdomen had turned to stone and the pain in the area got worse however if i ate sauerkraut or vinegar or something to cut the fat it wasnt as much of a problem so the doctor says i have cholistatis and that i should avoid fatty foods this makes sense and because i was already aware of what seemed to me this cause and effect relationship i have been avoiding these foods on my own but im still able to eat foods with ricotta cheese for instance and other low fat foods but doc wants me to be on a non fat diet this means no meat except fish and chicken w o skin i do this anyway no nuts fried food cheese etc i am allowed skim milk she said i should avoid anything sweet e g bananas also i must only have one serving of something high in carbohydrates a day potatoes pasta rice she said i cant even cook vegetables in a little bit of oil and that i should eat vegetables raw or steamed im concerned because i understand you need to have some fat in your diet to help in the digestive process and if im not taking in fat is she expecting the baby will take it from my stores and why this restriction on carbohydrates if shes concerned about fat im not clear how much of her recommendation is based on my weight gain and how much on cholistatis which i cant seem to find any information on she originally said that i should only gain 20 pounds during the entire pregnancy since i was about 20 lbs overweight when i started but my sister gained 60 lbs during her pregnancy and shes taken it all off and hasnt had any problems she also asked if any members of my family were obese which none of them are anyway i think she is overly concerned about weight gain and feel like im being punished by a severe diet she did want to see me again in one week so i think she the diet may be temporary for that one week what i want to know is how reasonable is this non fat diet i would understand if she had said low fat diet since im trying that anyway even if she said really low fat diet i think she assumes i must be eating a high fat diet but really it is that because of the endometriosis and the operation im not able to use the energy from the food i do eat any opinions info and experiences will be appreciated im truly going stark raving mad trying to meet this new strict diet because fruits and vegetables go through my system in a few minutes and ill end up having to eat constantly thus far i dont find any foods satisfying thanks g medicine re what about sci med chemistry in julkunen 734086202 messi uku fi julkunen messi uku fi antero julkunen writes there is this newsgroup sci med physics and there has been quite a lot discussion in this group about many chemical items e g prolactin cholesterol tsh etc should there also be a newsgroup sci med chemistry its got potential instead of chemistry how about splitting the classification into biochemistry which are probably the topics youre thinking of and pharmaceutical which otherwise might end up in bio chemistry this is separate from the issue of whether there is sufficient potential news volume to support either or both groups ill add em to my medical health newsgroup wish list which im looking forward to posting and discussing but not for another 10 days or so pete religion re davidians and compassion in article 1993apr20 143400 569 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote do you judge all christians by the acts of those who would call themselves christian and yet are not the bds contradicted scripture in their actions they were not christian simple as that perhaps you have read too much into what the media has portrayed ask any true believing christian and you will find that they will deny any association with the bds even the 7th day adventists have denied any further ties with this cult which was what they were well if they were satanists or followers of an obscure religion then i would be sure that christians would in unison condemn and make this to a show case but when we are dealing with a fanatical revelation preacher that kills ultimately everyone including the innocent children then it seems that we are dealing with christians and christians note the spelling do you judge all muslims by the acts committed by saddam hussein a supposedly devout muslim i dont saddam is just a dictator using the religious beliefs of his people to further his own ends and does not this show the dangers with religion in order word a mind virus that will make mothers capable of letting their small children burn to ashes while they scream cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net cars re extensions in article 1r6omsinnnbk ctron news ctron com smith ctron com writes in article gfpftjw00iv3q3vwyv andrew cmu edu daniel u holbrook dh3q andrew cmu edu writes these are the extensions i know of ch switzerland se sweden fi finland uk uk com us edu us are both com and edu us fr france dk denmark no norway com and edu are both united states one refers to commercial institutions the other to mental i mean educational institutions gov is also pretty much us it refers to government institutions internet was built on the aarp backbone a us defense contractor network that used the extension i think you mean arpa aarp is the american association of retired persons and i seriously doubt that theyd want young whippersnappers building anything on their backbones what with de calcification and all to identify the type of organisation internet extended the convention for other countries but the us retained the old conventions the general convention is that if it doesnt have a country tag on it its a us site that includes com commercial edu educational mil us military sites gov us govt non military sites eg nasa sites org anyone who is none of the above there are sites with such tags that are non us sites but they will have the country extension eg xxxx edu au is an extension i saw today us sites can also use the us extension but as mr smith pointed out the internet was built on the arpanet backbone and they default to us sites if theres no country code i would suggest that anyone who didnt know this or wants to know more about it on a non system administrative level check out the book the whole internet users guide and catalog by ed krol or is it catalog and users guide i can never remember and my copy is my desk at home its a very good not necessarily technical guide to the internet and the various utilities that lurk on it including usenet i dont think its part of the nutshell series but it is published by oreilly and associates this should go to one of the news newsgroups but damned if i can figure out which one james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven guns weaver trial update ive been running a daily summary of the randy weaver kevin harris trial from here in boise these summaries are sent primarily to mailing lists however i was wondering if people would be interested in seeing them here post or email drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho when you outlaw rights only outlaws will have rights spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrection nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia mi5 mi6 kgb deuterium baseball the real way to speed up ballgames the real way to speed up ballgames is for each home park owner to offer the following schedule of bonuses to players on both teams for all players who participated in the game offer 500 for each 10 minutes less than 3 hours the game took i e if the game only took 2 5 hours each player gets a bonus of 1500 for all pitchers throwing 3 or more full innings in the game extrapolate the number of pitches or attempted pickoffs to the number they would have thrown in a full 9 innings and offer 500 for each number less than 120 if the pitcher throws a complete game with 100 pitches and 5 throws to first he would get 7500 i suspect you could finance this the same way presidential campaigns are paid for offer each fan a checkoff on his or her ticket that says i want 5 of the price of this ticket to go towards fast game bonuses domain tahorsley csd harris com usmail tom horsley uucp uunet hcx1 tahorsley 511 kingbird circle delray beach fl 33444 censorship is the only form of obscenity wait i forgot government tobacco subsidies medicine re whats the origin of stat in article 1993apr28 100131 157926 zeus calpoly edu dfield flute calpoly edu infospunj dan field writes the term stat is used not only in medicine but is a commonly used indicator that something is urgent does anyone know where it came from my dictionary was not helpful from the word statim latin i think meaning immediately howard doyle doyle pitt edu religion re a kind and loving god in article 9304141620 aa01443 dangermouse mitre org jmeritt mental mitre org writes leviticus 21 9 and the daughter of any priest if she profane herself by playing the whore she profaneth her father she shall be burnt with fire deuteronomy 22 20 21 and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her fathers house and the men of the city shall stone her with stones that she die deuteronomy 22 22 if a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband then they shall both of them die deuteronomy 22 23 24 if a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband and a man find her in the city and lie with her then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city and ye shall stone them with stones that they die deuteronomy 22 25 but if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field and the man force her and lie with her then the man only that lay with her shall die if it werent for the sin of men none of this killing would have been necesarry he is kind and loving but also righteous sin must be punished before jesus man had to take the sins on himself but jesus died and took it all upon him so now we also have a forgiving god if he were not kind and loving there wouldnt have been any people left cars re dirty diesels yeah but i hate to follow them with the exhaust at ground level not all diesels are well maintained either it seems they run for so long that people keep them going long after the top end is worn out windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 1993may14 210055 25497 klaava helsinki fi jliukkon klaava helsinki fi juha matti liukkonen writes let me pose a question how many ms dos users are out there who have no access to the net but would probably find this feature useful too ie your suggestion implies that microsoft is relying on the shareware or pd products to fill the gaps on dos or did i misunderstand your statement its called the free enterprize system i suggests that those who wish to enhance dos do it an sell it or give it away microsoft cant be everything to everyone period medicine re umbilical hernia in article 1993apr27 060740 3068 shannon ee wits ac za gary concave cs wits ac za gary taylor writes could anyone give me information on umbilical hernias the patient is over weight and has a protruding hernia surgery may be risky due to the obesity what other remedies could i try unless the patient has a very short life expectancy the possible complications from a hernia that hasnt been repaired far outweigh the risks of surgery the risks of surgery anyway are minimal unless they are exceedingly large hernias can be fixed under local anesthesia dont forget that hernias are one the leading causes of small bowel obstruction and the smaller the hernia is the higher the chances that a loop of bowel will become incarcerated or strangulated howard doyle doyle pitt edu windows re help with changing startup logo in article farley access digex com charles u farley writes i installed the s w for my ati graphics card and it bashed my windows logo files when i start windows now it has the 3 0 logo instead of the 3 1 logo i thought the files that controlled this were windows system vgalogo rle windows system vgalogo lgo i restored these files but it didnt change the logo anyone know what the correct files are for a vga card these are the correct files but you cant just copy them back and expect it to work you have to create a new win com file try the command you will have to worry about what directories each file is in since i dont know your setup copy b win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle win com i grabbed this from supercharging windows by judd robbins great book this is also how you can put your own logo into the windows startup screen an rle file is just a specially compressed bmp file hope this helps brad smalling jr ee ga tech atlanta ga gt2617c prism gatech edu windows re emm386 and windows hallo ebosco us oracle com wrote on 28 04 93 about emm386 and windows e von ebosco us oracle com mi 28 04 93 18 03 e name eric bosco e should i use emm386 or should i remove it from my config sys basically windows prefers extendend memory instead of expanded more work to do for win and if no application desperatly needs ems you should leave emm386 with a rem in your config sys bye chris baseball re hispanic all star team icop csa bu edu antonio pera writes hispanic magazine april 1993 had a couple of interesting articles about hispanic players including its hispanic all star team some of the major points are nprs morning edition aired a report this morning 4 19 on hispanic latin american players in mlb and how they have many of the same problems faced by black negro african american players when they first entered the league however although baseball has adjusted to the presence of black players many hispanic players still labor under the stereotype of being fireballs hot blooded flashy the report also emphasised that despite the rantings my word of jessie jackson about baseballs discrimination against black players in its upper echelons baseball has actually done much better by black players than hispanic players another interesting point was the language barrier problem the reporter elaborated on an interview with ruben sierra which he gave in spanish to a spanish speaking newspaper reporter with the fact that there are maybe 2 major baseball writers that speak spanish despite the fact that spanish is one of if not the easiest languages to learn so easy that the author cormac mccarthy learned spanish at age 50 in order to research his book all the pretty horses yet few mlb organizations employ spanish speaking personel one of the exceptions being the oakland as another point nearly 90 of latin american players have some african blood yet most report that theyd never really felt black until playing ball in the us ironically enough it is the early presence of latin american baseball players in the major leagues that support the idea that baseball was integrated before the arrival of jackie robinson as many light black or brown latin americans were incorporated into baseball s i did not know the cure for the disease of images but i believed in the healing sandra vigil power of words and stories vigil esca com until the end of the world medicine re sleeping pill od in article 1993apr9 051039 715 scott skidmore edu dfederma scott skidmore edu daniel federman writes a friend of mine took appoximately 60 cvs sleeping pills each containing 25mg of diphenhydramine i think thats 1500 mg total im worried though about the long term effects since he never had his stomach pumped will he have liver or brain damage any information would be greatly appreciated shouldnt have but he may need to see the shrink about why he wanted to kill himself depressed people can be succesfully treated usually gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars re honda clutch chatter in article 1993apr22 141927 15716 bnr ca dwjz bnr ca doug zolmer writes in article 185900001 hpindda cup hp com jimb hpindda cup hp com james bruder writes anyone else experiencing a similar problem this concerns the clutch on a 92 honda accord 5 speed when the clutch is first used in the morning about the first 4 miles of shifting there is a significant amount of clutch chatter until things warm up then the clutch shifts smoothly this chatter started when i moved to the san francisco bay area from a low humidity environment the dealer stated that this is known to happen since honda changed from an asbestos to non asbestos clutch material no remedy seems that moisture on clutch surface causes slipping until the moisture evaporates any comments out there the clutch on my 92 honda civic ex v ex in the u s does this too its annoying now that i think about it is worse when the humidity is high the dealer also claims theres nothing they can do since the clutch is a self adjusting hydraulic design yeah right one of the reasons i sold my 92 civic vx was the chattery grabby clutch although i dint notice it being any worse in humid weather perhaps because its always humid around here i was told by honda that it has to do with changing from asbestos to non asbestos linings which began around 1990 someone could make some good money selling the old fashion variety if its legal to manufacture them these days my feeling is that since many other car makers do not have this problem that its a poor design or engineering problem on the part of honda three things to look out for on all honda products clutch chatter bad brake rotors and rusty exhaust systems medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes im not asking anyone here to buy into the yeast connection book because i dont know whats in that book plain and simple and to be honest with you im beginning to wish that it was never written i agree with this consensus that it should not have been written the way it was my doctor who claims to have introduced dr crook to the possibility of candida overbloom causing diffuse symptoms way back in 1961 i have no reason to doubt him on this does not like the book because 1 it makes too many unfounded claims and 2 is horribly written from a scientific viewpoint on the other hand my doctor has always kept an open mind on the subject and does believe in aspects of the yeast connection but i believe there is some truth to the book hopefully the right clinical studies can be done to separate the fact from the fiction in the meantime id still encourage people who have incurable chronic sinus problems especially if they overused antibiotics to find a doctor to administer a systemic type anti fungal such as itraconazole along with liver panels before during and after treatment just to play it safe it is an empirical approach for sure but when all else fails and your ent says sorry youll just have to live with it it is time to step out and try an empirical approach backed up with significant anecdotal evidence dr ivker supported by plausible theories outlined by marty at this stage you have little to lose particularly if you use itraconazole and have the proper monitoring the health risk has been shown through extensive clinical studies both in europe and the u s to be very minimal with relatively healthy i e non aids patients im glad i did this since i saw remarkable results after only one week on sporanox itraconazole of course your mileage may vary a lot everyone is different so it may not work for you talk to your doctor jon noring charter member infj club if youre dying to know what infj means be brave e mail me ill send info jon noring noring netcom com jkn international ip 192 100 81 100 freds gourmet chocolate 1312 carlton place phone 510 294 8153 chips worlds best livermore ca 94550 v mail 510 417 4101 who are you read alt psychology personality thats where the action is guns government exlanations for waco when you have no principles you cant admit that someone else might and everyone who acts differently from what you expect can only be a nutcase dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com im beginning to look forward to reaching the 100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt at that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds guns waco willie authorizes cook out was re fbi directors statement note local tx groups trimmed out of newsgroups line in article 1r23a3 28a geraldo cc utexas edu d nash utexas edu donald l nash writes in article 1r208f bp2 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes no you were right the first time law enforcement agencies should keep his opinions in mind before breaking into or assaulting anybodys house ok let me correct my unfortunate choice of words i just hope that the law enforcement agencies keep your attitude in mind the next time your wife is gang raped by a bunch of juvenile drug dealing thugs while she was jogging in the park no strike that etc the batf came out with horse trailers 100 men ninja uniforms machine guns and stun grenades and used them before koresh could even look at the warrant koresh fought back and people died the key part of this sentense is koresh fought back this was his big mistake when the police decide to exert their authority over you you dont fight back unless you want people to get hurt you cease all resistance and signal your submission to their authority the cops they are the boss you are the subject the concept of defense against illegal action under color of law is kaput no longer is it government of the people by the people its government of the people by the biggest guns the idea of sorting it out in court later is fine but one has to get to court in one piece to do that korash had good reason to think that he was not going to get that chance see below arent in it to beat up and kill people in spite of the actions of a few bad apples if you quit resisting they quit hitting perhaps the batf did over react to the threat posed by koresh perhaps they did use too much force ok fine im willing to concede to that point if sufficient proof is produced and i admit that there is some evidence to indicate this however resisting the batf is the worst thing koresh could have done if they hadnt resisted there is a good chance that no one would have been hurt remeber they were using stun grenades not anti personnel grenades if the bds were not in violation of any rember korash didnt get to sort this all out serenely typing at his keyboard he heard some kind of explosives go off he saw he was being attacked with no overt action from him yet he could no more say oh its ok its only stun grenades anymore than i could he slammed the door at that point and proceeded to repel the attackers he felt in genuine fear of his life i know i would be in fear of my life at that point have you ever been shot at how clear and logically could you think under that pressure when you might have all of 1 or 2 seconds to evaluate what is going on and it would not be the first time that law enforcements intended to bring in their suspect horizontally for all we know he was informed by someone saying something like hey guy the batf is coming like gangbusters and they mean to waste you according to the latest news the released warrant so we are told said the reason for this ww iii raid was that korashs group had spent around 200 000 00 on firearms and related stuff over an undetermined period now even assuming that the figure isnt calculated like the feds do a drug siezure for 90 people that isnt really all that much you priced decent guns lately hell i can think of a person right now that probably has that much for one individual mostly machineguns sure he is an avid collector but unless a new law has been passed it is not illegal nor an indication of anything illegal to have a lot of guns also note that the warrant had nothing to say about machine guns so what is the justification of this cowboy raid other than a romp gone bad for some anti gun media hype to support clintons push for disarming the unconnected citizen of any and all effective defensive weapons this administration has only one thing in mind control people control whether it is gun control clinton cripple chip national smart id cards it all boils down to people control can you say 1984 only 10 years late i knew you could laws they would have been released as they had been before if this had happened and it turned out that the batf had used too much force then the bds would have grounds for a law suit and for federal charges of civil rights violations sounds a lot like la huh dont take that wrong im not commenting one way or the other about the rodney king case but thats not what they wanted they got tipped off that the batf was on the way in and rather than adopting a non violent non threatening posture to greet the batf they decided to fight and batf knew the bds were expecting them via 60 minutes report but they decided they were so big so bad they would have a cakewalk at the bds expense for a nice media show anyway but it all turned to shit and the fbi taking over to manage things we see it all turned to shit too clinton says i am taking full responsibility bah responsibility means to take the repercussions if it goes wrong bet you nobody pays any serious repercussions responsibility only has meaning as media pr or as a means to corner the average joe schmoe figure it out clinton reno the fbi and batf will all be immune can you say whitewash ive said enough of this issue im probably not going to convince any of you folks and youre certainly not going to convince me ive got work to do don be very afraid of our government in the land of the free and if you decide all this is acceptable get even more afraid especially when it is you they decide for some reason they dislike when they no longer feel the need to confine their cowboy tactics to kooks or wierdos pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 pat myrto seattle wa if all else fails try uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former albert einstien religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed netd susie sbc com writes in article 20apr199301460499 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu stephen for those who think david koresh didnt have a solid structure or sound biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast i dont think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his sermon its the deaths hes responsible for that concern most people and i think we ought to hold christ accoountable for all of his followers who died at the hand of the romans also it was their own fault for believing god this society reminds me more of the roman empire every day i guess ill just log off and go watch american gladiators cutter gloster via mind org chris all jobs are easy to the person who doesnt have to do them holts law cars emergency brake on opel was 86 nissan maxima since were on the subject of brakes does anyone know why a 4wd vauxhall opel disengages drive to the rear wheels when the brakes are applied vauxhall boast about how the car is more stable in fwd mode during braking than in 4wd mode how is this so shaz windows word 2 0 help hello im having problems printing spanish characters with wfw2 i was using the celtic true type which has the accented characters and used insert symbol to put in in the document however when i put it in the doc i get a big square character and then it prints out just the same to my dismay thinking that was just the way it worked can anyone tell me if and how they have printed spanish characters i know wp 5 1 has this built in but i do not recall ever seeing this option on wfw2 help robert s dubinski aliases include robb regal sir mr and i marquette university math computer science double major internet address 2a42dubinski vms csd mu edu milwaukee wi windows re windows zip unzip pwb aerg canberra edu au paul blackman writes in article 1rl9b6 h3c sol deakin oz au russ deakin oz au russ sharp writes we are using pkzip v2 04 and i am interested to hear from people who have used one of the many windows programs that call these which ones are available and does any one stand out amongst the rest is there a full windows version that does not call the dos pkzip pkunzip commands yes russ there is quinzip is a windows version but i dont think it handles all the functions available in the dos version the problem is that quinzip is very very slow so i think that winzip 4 0 is still the best choice to use pkzip in windows denis simard montreal simardde ere umontreal ca windows re procomm plus for windows problems in article 1qkqrhinnobc matt ksu ksu edu kentiler matt ksu ksu edu kent p iler writes i have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here using it but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the modem he has a 14 400 modem on a 486 50 mhz machine tell him he probably needs to upgrade to a faster video card my 9600 baud modem was one of the reasons i sought out the diamond speedstar 24x i get about 7 million winmarks on my 386 25 and it just about keeps up with the modem speed using procomm plus for windows too he should get over 10 million on his machine with the same card anything 10 should yield acceptable speed jeff meyers jmeyers ecst csuchico edu 39x43n 121x48w chico ca 95926 kd6dis ke6lw nocal ca usa na grid cn80 cm99 religion ex gay was homosexuality fact fiction tony while i honestly believe you believe you are doing a good thing by posting that piece of propaganda i believe the more people believe that the more they will feel justified in their blatant persecution of gay oriented people i have seen the film called the gay agenda and along with my church we found it to be horrifying not because of what was actually shown cleaver use of editting can create any image one wants to portray rather becaseu we are familia familiar with how widely it was actively distributed and how many naive people are actually believing the garbage found within it the truth is that neither you nor i can fully speak for anyone who calls themself gay but knowing as many as i do and knowing their testimonies and witnessing thier faith and life i have to say that the report you posted is a very biased report something obviously claimed against gays as well the truth is that unless you are innately gay you cannot know what harm you are causing i speak as an abolitionist who supports affirming gay rights in our society i do not support wild sex or any other misrepresentations perpetrated by christian fundamentalist extremists but i know people who are not the sexual deviants your report paints them to be it is no mistake that the apa removed homosexuality from its list of mental illnesses it is also no mistake that there are many christians and homophobes who long to bring it back to the list i do not feel threatened by gays i dont understand why others are the following is an article concerning two of the more popular ex gay min istries exodus international homosexuals anonymous the founder of an ex gay support group chooses homo over hetero by robert pela from gay oriented magazine advocate in december 1985 david caligiuri received one of the advocates homophobia rewaa awards the a prayer a day keeps the lust away citation as director of free indeed a national ex gay ministry caligiuri was singled out for offering discontented gays and lesbians a way out of the homosexual death style through prayer id like to give the award back caligiuri now laughs im no longer deserve it caligiuris eight year involvement with the national ex gay movement peaked with his founding of the phoenix chapter of homosexuals anonymous ha as well as free indeed he has since abandoned his pulpit and now says that the ex gay movement is a fruitless effort based on deception theres no reality in it he says i was selling a product and my product was a lie headed up by national ministries like exodus international and courage the organizations of the ex gay movement rely on the tenents of born again christianity to convince disatisfied homosexuals usually young gay men who are just coming out that they can shed their sexuality by suppressing their sexual urges and embracing christianity we offer support to people who are seeking to leave the sin of homosexuality explains bob davies director of exodus he ventures that about 80 of those seeking to abandon their homo sexuality are men anybody who is involved in the ex gay ministry is misguided and is wasting their time says lisa seeley a former redeemed lesbian who worked with caligiuri as ha and appeared with him on the sally jessy raphael show these organizations are for people who are spiritually and emotionally wounded its possible to change your identity or your behavior says sex educator brian mcnaught author of on being gay but its really impossible to change your orientation these people are no longer calling themselves gay but they continue to have same sex erotic feelings caligiuri says he founded free indeed after an ominous week in 1981 when all hell broke loose in his personal life a few days after his lover ended both their romance and their business partnership caligiuri was sexually assaulted by a man he picked up in a bar i was really drunk he recalls and i went home with this guy he tied me up and raped me he left me tied up all night and the next morning he raped me again when caligiuri was eventually freed by the attacker he returned home to the home he shared with his ex lover he had another man there with him caligiuri recalls i thought at this time if this is what being gay is about i dont want to be this way anymore caligiuri vowed that if he could find a way out he would share his discovery with others he organized an antigay contingent to demonstrate at phoenixs gay pride parade in june 1985 and a few months later free indeed held its first public protest at a meeting to promote a gay civil rights ordinance free indeed members loudly blasted gays telling them ther were sinners headed for hell free indeed began receiving about a hundred telephone calls a week thanks in part to a deceptive listing in the local yellow pages we were listed under lesbian and gay alternative services caligiuri says so people thought we were a gay information switchboard people would call to find out where the local bars were and wed preach to them about the sins of homo sexuality ruses like this are typical of the movement caligiuri says adding theyll do anything to reach these people david used to go on radio and say really stupid things recalls peter kelly a counselor at phoenixs catholic diocese aids program like that he knew he was gay when he started wearing pastel colors caligiuris family first found out about his ministry when they saw him on raphaels syndicated talk show in 1985 they were relieved he recalls they figured that if they had to have a gay person in the family better that i should be a reformed gay person but caligiuri was hardly reformed by the time i appeared on sallys show id started having sex with men again men would call our hotline and tell me about thier latest sin sex with their pastor sex with their father i was horny all the time unable to risk going to gay bars where he might be recognized from his numerous television appearances caligiuri says he used to go to bookstores and get blowjobs when he wasnt working the bookstores he was sleeping with other reformed homosexuals i didnt realize it at first but a lot of the ha leaders were having sex with one another caligiuri says wed go to conferences in other cities and wed be paired up in hotel rooms everybody was sleeping with everybody else by the time he appeared on am philadelphia television show in may 1988 caligiuri was having anonymous sex a couple times a week when the shows host asked him if he ever acted on temptation his answer was a lie caligiuris duplicity began to take its toll on him however he was suffering from chrinic fatigue syndrome and candidiasis a dibilitating yeast infection and this led to his escape from the sect i was too sick to go to church he explains the more time i spent away from those people the more i began to feel like myself i began to remember who i used to be late in 1991 caligiuri turned free indeed phone lines over to a local church and closed the ministrys doors id convinced myself that there is no need in the world for ex gay people he says today caligiuri 31 is studying alternative spiritualities im interest ed in belief systems that arent judgemental considering romance but not with a christian and searching for a new project to devote himself to i feel compelled to commit myself to gay causes he says i want to eventually stop feeling guilty about what i did and make up for the damage i may have brought to our community end article caligiuris tory is by no means unique and i have read several other articles of former leaders and founders of ex gay ministries who have said very similar th similar things fortuantely not all of them have left christianity but have come to realize that god loves them despite the attitudes of others some like chris glaser director of the presbyterian lazarus project of west hollywood presbyterian church have actually been working with the gay community to bring them into the sheepfold of christ and encouraging real ethical values of sexuality within the sphere of being gay i have also as i said talked and become and become close friends with many who once attended such groups as love in action and others who either once claimed to have been reformed or who were too honest with themselves to live a lie no matter who was disappointed in them some were even encouraged to marry as a way of sealing their new heterosexuality only to eventually start hitting the bars bathhouses and bookstores since these were usually activities under the concealment of night and one night stands of promiscuous behavior meant no continuous sin through a committed relationship this is a horrible trap which the church has dumped on the backs of the truly gay oriented people and the very inno cent victims in these cases are the wives and children of such marriages yet the church insists that there are only two options they are willing to allow gay people 1 heterosexuality or 2 celebacy this is sad what is also mrtifying is in the cases of those who cannot suppress their desires and fear for thier sanity in such a mixed up confusion that the church forces on them they may even opt for suicide or surgical dampering of the brain functions in the past lobotomies and heavey drug suppressants were common place there are now becoming available more and more literature on the threat of coercive christianity toward gays such as sylvia penningtons ex gays there are none and others there are also a great many fact based books being written to help people trapped in this confusion such as maury johnstons gays under grace and chris glasers come hom i seriously recommend those for people seeking help for this persecution and self acceptance thank you cars re choice of gauges in article c5ybo4 e5i vcd hp com dmunroe vcd hp com dave gauge writes if you had free reign to design your own instrument cluster which gauges would you choose to have beyond the basic set i consider the basic set to be tach must have coolant temp or cylinder head temp for air cooled engines must oil pressure must amps ive seen amps and volts i would go for the volts speedo must you ask fuel i would like to know how much gas i have of course the gauge i have now dosent tell me s t so i could see not having one in favor of a warning light at say 50mi others that are nice to have volts maybe this should be in the basic set vacuum boost oooooohhhhh how i would looove to have a vacuum gauge on my dash travis disclamer the ideas expressed above are in fact the same as my employer since i have none e mail flame at marshatt feserve cc purdue edu baseball re 1993 nl east champion phillies robert c hite writes here are the projected lineups benches rotation and bullpen for the 1993 national league east champion philadelphia phillies i think the only phillies in effect here are philly blunts of course if this all becomes true ill be the first to smoke one myself david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions 1993 its on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the 411 cars re its a rush was re too fast dont get me wrong i love to drive in the left lane fast but when i overtake cars who are on the right i slow down a tad bit if i were to rely on the j udgement of the other car to recognize the speed differential i would be the stupid one just to satiate my curiosity why would this make you the stupid one it seems to me everybody should be aware enough of what is going on you do not need i couldnt agree more that is how it should work people should also always see motorcycles too i constantly scan behind me i have one of those wink mirrors and two outside mirrors i actually spend just as much time checking my six cops you know i still get caught off guard every now and then maybe i didnt word it right the first time what i was trying to say was that if you plan to blow by somebody at a very high speed differential and you assume you are safe because the guy sees you you are stupid of course it depends on the circumstances i have had some very scary instances when i assumed this and i dont think all of the fault was the other guy now if he was going 25 in a 55 thats a whole different story medicine re barbecued foods and health risk rsilver world std com richard silver writes some recent postings remind me that i had read about risks associated with the barbecuing of foods namely that carcinogens are generated is this a valid concern if so is it a function of the smoke or the elevated temperatures is it a function of the cooking elements wood or charcoal vs lava rocks i wish to know more thanks i recall that the issue is that fat on the meat liquifies and then drips down onto the hot elements whatever they are that the extreme heat then catalyzes something in the fat into one or more carcinogens which then are carried back up onto the meat in the smoke the ol professor guns re hallam baker bashes tpgers was re welcome to police state usa in article c5yypo ei2 dscomsa desy de hallam dscomsa desy de phill hallam baker writes no frank crarys arguments are based on the assumption that most people are sane normal people tpg disproves this of gun owners usenet as a whole disproves it of humanity as a whole heavens everybody but phill is out of step we now have proof positive that guns dont make you safer buy a lot of guns and you either get shot in the no knock raid or get the fbi to burn down your house see even in the paranoid mindset of tpg there are good reasons to support gun control once again phill lets us all know that might makes right but only for the all sacred government cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet windows overlapped window without a title bar hi i have a simple question is it possible to create a overlapped thickframe window without a title bar ie ws overlapped ws thickframe ws caption i dont seem to be able to get rid off the title bar i have another question i have a overlapped window say v which has few child windows a b c etc the window shows up with all its children fine now i create another child t with a ws thickframe style and placed on top of one or more of its siblings style ws thickframe is used so that i can resize it how do i make sure that the child t will always be at the top of its siblings i used setwindowpos and bringwindowtotop without success whats happening is that while i am resizing t it shows up but as soon as i let go it goes behild its siblings any help would be greatly appreciated manu please mail me at manu oas olivetti com guns re non lethal alternatives to handguns holland cs colostate edu douglas craig holland writes what about guns with non lethal bullets like rubber or plastic bullets would those work very well in stopping an attack doug holland any projectile traveling at or near typical bullet speeds is potentially lethal even blanks which have no projectile can cause death if the muzzle is in close proximity to the victim i have heard of rubber or plastic bullets being used effectively during riot situations where the intent is crowd control rather than close range self defense ive also seen reports of deaths caused by them the british in northern ireland use of a firearm for self defense is appropriate and lawful only in the gravest of situations at that point i consider deadly lethal force to be a proper reaction and so does the law furthermore use of less effective but still potentially lethal force has its own set of problems it may well take more applications of the less effective force to stop the incident this places all parties at some risk the victim because the attack has not stopped and the assailent since the aggregate damage done by the multiple applications may well be more deadly michael phelps external mjp vnet ibm com internal mjp bwa kgn ibm com mjp at kgnvmy and last but not least a disclaimer these opinions are mine cars used taurus sho purchase quoting jeffrey j nucciarones nucci microwave gsfc nasa gov article c4g8hv cs4 skates gsfc nasa gov of 04 06 93 in pertinent part jj i am considering buying a used 90 taurus sho the car in jj question has 37k miles i took it for a test drive the other day jj and a few questions came up jj jj jj second is there anything i should specifically look for in an jj sho of this vintage anything i should specifically ask abt jj brakes cluthch etc i noticed on the drive the clutch engagemen jj point seemed a little high since all my other cars are auto tragics jj im not sure abt this point i had my foot firmly planted on the jj brake when i started it up there was a bit of a pop in the pedal jj soon after the engine started this also occured on a few t bird sc jj i test drove was this the abs self test brake rotors and the clutch are the main things there has been a clutch replacement program you might check to see if the car is still eligible as it is a change well worth making you can also swap the cruddy cable shifter for the newer rod shifter also a change worth making but thatll cost you some my brakes usually do one wibble wobble on startup so that is probably normal didnt know they had a self test thats interesting what kind of tires does the car have on it winqwk 2 0b 131 for a good time dial 7000 on your sho medicine re diet for crohns ibd in article 1993apr22 202051 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu wrote in article 1r6g8finne88 ceti cs unc edu jge cs unc edu john eyles writes a friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of crohns disease but she cant seem to eat certain foods such as fresh vegetables without discomfort and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence her question is are there any nutritionists who specialize in the problems of people with crohns disease i saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric thanks in advance john eyles all your friend really has to do is find a registered dietician rd while most work in hospitals and clinics many major cities will have rds who are in private practice so to speak many physicans will refer their patients with crohns disease to rds for dietary help if you can get your friends physician to make a referral medical insurance should pay for the rds services just like the services of a physical therapist the better medical insurance plans will cover this but even if your friends plan doesnt it would be well worth the cost to get on a good diet to control the intestinal discomfort and help the intestinal lining heal crohns disease is an inflammatory disease of the intestinal lining and lipoxygenase inhibitors may help by decreasing leukotriene formation but im not aware of tea or turmeric containing lipoxygenase inhibitors for bad inflammation steroids are used but for a mild case the side effects are not worth the small benefit gained by steroid use upjohn is developing a new lipoxygenase inhibitor that should greatly help deal with inflammatory diseases but its not available yet marty b be sure a dietician is up to date on crohns and ulcerative colitis previously low residue diets were recommended but this advice has now changed also there will be differences in advice in patients with and without obstructuon remaining so input by the physician will be important i find the dietician very important in my practice and i send most of my patients to a dietician in the course of seeing them since dieticians know so much better how to get diet histories and evaluate the contents of a diet than i do steve holland cars how good is car wash wax question whats your experience with car wash wax this is the liquid type of wax in bottles that you pour it in water sponge it on you car hose it off and dry it with cloth many people have used it it is very easy to work with and gives seeminly the same visual results as that of paste type of wax but does it last long does it have any negative effects to car paint can you forward your reply directly to my email id thanks james guns waco dates are these coincidental the atf agent interviewed on street stories reported that the raid was ill planned and went ahead even when they the bds knew the atf was coming why i believe this raid was ill planned because they only had 2 days to plan it and it was continued when failure was obvious because it had a bit part in the much larger political agenda of president clinton i would even suggest that the loss of 4 atf agents is inconsequential in this the context of his political agenda it might even be beneficial to his agenda as it helps point up just how evil these assualt weapons are further proof might be that the atf denied their agents street stories report requests for sufficient fire power important dates feb 25th nj assembly votes to overturn assault weapon ban feb 28th compound in waco attacked on feb 25th the new jersey assembly voted to overturn the assault weapon ban in that state it looked like it might be a tight vote but the senate in n j was going to vote to overturn the ban it would not sit well to have an eastern state overturn an assault weapon ban given clintons stated agenda on gun control i suspect clinton gave the order to get someone or some group with assualt weapons and have the press present they were initially at the incident in waco to record the event for the tv audience the agent on street stories reported that a supervisor was urging them all to get ready fast as they know we are coming i believe this attack continued even tho the probablility of failure was high because it came from the top down after the n j assembly vote the atf had a limited amount of time to come up with something and the wackos in waco fit the bill nicely rich guns re some more about gun control in article 1993apr16 010235 14225 mtu edu cescript mtu edu charles scripter writes this mention of a well regulated militia is what confuses me according to the federalist papers a well regulated militia has a well defined structure and follows nationally uniform regulations perhaps you should actually read the federalist papers perhaps you should reread federal 29 which deals exclusively with the well regulated malitia here is what is says about its character to oblige the great body of the yeomanry and of the other classes of the citizens to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well regulated militia it also talks about the well regulated militia having a nationally uniform in structure and disipline i will note you did quote the end of this particular paragraph which states little more can reasonably be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped and in order to see that this be not neglected it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year but do you knew how much organization is required to training a large group of poeple twice a year just to try to get the same people every year provide a basic training to new people so they can be integrated into the force and find a suitable location it requires a continually standing committee of organizers since a well regulate militia is nationally uniform in structure and disipline and meet once or twice a year to train how can you claim a well regulated militia is not well organized but i will concide a well organized militia is not necessarily a well regulated militia several people have stated that the well organized militia is what is defined under 10 usc 311 which states the militia of the united states consists of all able bodied males at least 17 years of age and except as provided in section 313 of title 32 under 45 years of age who are or who have made a declaration of intention to become citizens of the united states and of female citizents of the united states who are commissioned officers of the national guard this deos define the militia but were is the adjective well regulated 10 usc 311 does not define a well regualed militia in any way shape or form it only defines who can become part of a well regulated militia the federalist papers clearly define the well regualed militia as a proper subset of the militia in the same paragraph quoted above it talk above disciplining all the militia of the united states so they fit the character of a well regulated militia this is what the paragraph states about the associated costs it would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country to an amount which calculating upon the present numbers of the people would not fall far short of the whole expense of the civil establishments of all the states to attempt a thing which would abridge the mass of labor and industry to so considerable an extent would be unwise and the experiment if made could not succeed because it would not long be endured another quote provide by charles scripter is james madison federalist paper 41 regarding the general welfare clause nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars so the phrase the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed must either qualify or explain the phrase a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the definition of explain as stated in the american hertitage dictionary of the enlish language the new college edition 1982 is 1 to make plain or comprehensible remove obscruity from elucidate it was the economists who undertook to explain this puzzle 2 to define explicate expound he explained his plan 3 to offer reasons for or a cause of an answer for justify explain an error the second phrase clearly does not explain the first therefore the second phrase must qualify the first the definition given for qualify is 1 to describe by enumerating the characteristics or qualities of characterize 2 to make competent or suitable for office position or task 3 to give legal power to make legally capable 4 to modify limit or restrict as giving exceptions 5 to make less harsh or severe moderate 6 grammar to modify the meaning of a word or phrase since the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed does not describe modify or make less harsh anything and it has nothing to do with grammar or some sort of position or task by process of elimination it must fall into definition 3 and since 3 deals with legal power the same thing the constitution does it must be the correct definition in this case therefore the right of the people to keep and bear arms gives legal power to the well regualated militia and this legal power shall not be infringed i thank you very much mr scripter you have provided me with more evidence that the second amendment only concerns itseft with the peoples right to form well regulate militia and says very little about the right of an untrained person to keep and bear a 50 caliber machine gun and since i totally untrained in the use of any firearm something i personly have meant to correct by going to a nra gun safety course and joining a gun club cannot legally buy such a machine gun i conclude the courts and democraticly elected congress agree with me so now we know which category mr rutledge is in he means to destroy our liberties and rights i mean to destory our liberties and rights is that why a participate in the discussion of exactly what our libertues and rights are i force my version of our liberties and rights by begining statements of what our liberties and rights with all that the second amendment clearly states to me using expressions such as states to me clearly mean i intend to force my views on others i dont think so so in effort not to force my views and not to destory our liberties and rights i state that nothing i have written or will write in the matter of liberties and rights is the final word for i am only one person among many and the final word on liberties and rights cleary and irrevocably belongs to the many if only it were a modern document with a john lawrence rutledge smart index and hyper links stretching all research assistant through the world data net it was terribly frustrating to flip back and forth between interactive media group the pages and crude flat illustrations that computer science department never even moved nor were there animated umass lowell arrows or zoom ins it completely lacked a 1 university ave for sound lowell ma 01854 most baffling of all was the problem of new words in normal text youd only have to 508 934 3568 touch an unfamiliar word and the definition jrutledg cs ulowell edu would pop up just below from david brins earth baseball re notes on jays vs indians series in article 1993apr13 202037 9485 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes in article rudyc5fr3q 1cl netcom com rudy netcom com rudy wade writes in article c5fmxd 2pm cs dal ca niguma ug cs dal ca gord niguma writes reference to history because he certainly didnt have the best season for second basemen in history he probably didnt even have as good a season as alomar last year what do you have some measure like popularity in toronto doesnt count that you are basing this statement on uh yes baerga has a lot of flash but alomar was the better hitter last year batters ba slg obp g ab r h tb 2b 3b hr rbi bb so sb cs e baerga c 312 455 354 161 657 92 205 299 32 1 20 105 35 76 10 2 19 alomar r 310 427 405 152 571 105 177 244 27 8 8 76 87 52 49 9 5 this is fascinating you say that alomar was the better hitter last year and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that baerga had a better year the only category that i see which shows an advantage for alomar is obp cars re are bmws worth the price in article 9866 ceylon gte com hhd0 harvey gte com horace dediu writes in article 1pvjlninnckf daffy sps mot com shantanu risc sps mot com shantanu ganguly writes some comments a good performance and mid and high speeds can be obtained by adjusting the top gear and final drive ratios contrary to popular misperception a number of japanese cars have quite good performance from 70 in top gear no problem with that the question is do they perform consistently in all conditions roads winds and curves at that speed and do so for hours on end year after year without giving the driver white knuckles from my experience on the autobahns autostrade a good touring car can be easily distinguished by its poise at 100mph the best stay on cruise control at 155 for hours ive seen the typical boy racer in a fiat try to keep up sure they hit the century mark but if the wind blows the wrong way they change lanes and if on an overpass they may fly right into a guardrail the buffeting at 125 can be severe enough to make the hood bend tires at 155 can melt and a pothole can kill many german cars are designed for this environment even if they cant seem to get out of their own way from a stop light mercedes come to mind in particular and another design point is fuel economy at those speeds the germans gear the car for very good high speed efficiency a typical m b 300e turns 1500 at 55 almost a stall good point i have no idea how either of my hondas will handle at 100 mph nor do they reach 155 however using high to be 70 90 mph a they are quite amenable to long high speed drives ive done several 1k mile trips in my civic with no problems whatsoever the last big trip i made was driving from new york to texas i remember driving 700 800 miles a day at typically 75 85 mph without any problems im sure i would have been more comfortable driving a benz but no white knuckles no problems with winds and curves then there was the trip back from new orleans after mardi gras where we were doing 80 all the way to houston no problems b both my cars have surprising good fuel economy at high speeds i see no difference between sustained 60 mph and sustained 80mph on the trip back from new orleans we got about 30 mpg in my integra quite ok mind you the engine revs to almost 4k at 80 the civic is markedly better than the integra in fuel economy 50k miles down the road i still get 35 mpg at 70 75 mph driving b i cant understand why these high scale european marquees are afraid to design engines that can be repeatedly revved to near redline in the low gears i have been doing that for that last 50k miles with my lowly civic with no detriment to either the engine or the clutch and getting excellent mpg to boot id call this an engineering hack to cover up design deficiencies at 50k miles youd still be breaking in a high scale european marquee they typically are designed to last 300 000 miles per engine 500 000 mi per chassis the record is now over 1 500 000 miles on a benz diesel and ive read about transmissions lasting 700 000 miles speaking of now now you cant compare a diesel with a gasoline engine i see enough bmws and gasoline mercs for sale that have 100 150k miles on them and advertise rebuilt engines if honda was to build an accord for 30k id darn well expect the sucker to last 300k miles diesels they have very good efficiency at the cost of acceleration and are very popular in all european cars diesel is considered the green fuel from the smallest econoboxes to the luxo barges again we see a difference in mentality diesels in the us are considered slightly worse than useless and extremely dirty to boot so you cant give them away ever got caught behind a early 80s 300sdl at a stop light its not pleasant the newer mbs are a lot better though the diesel volvos and vws are probably the smelliest offenders as for economy why should we care gas is cheap i personally wouldnt buy a diesel car for any reason what does it buy me shantanu ganguly somerset motorola phone 512 795 7146 motorola inc mail drop oe 513 fax 512 795 7513 6501 william cannon drive w austin tx 78735 8598 email shantanu ibmoto com oakhill sps mot com windows help w greenleaf commlib 4 0 has anyone had experience with the new greenleaf commlib 4 0 i cant even get their demo winterm to run at 4800 baud without dropping characters tnx steve steve alpert w1ggn idx systems corp boston massachusetts sra idx com guns re some more about gun control in article 1993apr16 010235 14225 mtu edu cescript mtu edu charles scripter writes in article c5bu9m 2k7 ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge wrote excellent exchange deleted it seems to me the whole reason for the second amendment to give the people protection from the us government by guaranteeing that the people can over through the government if necessary is a little bit of an anachronism is this day and age maybe its time to re think how this should be done and amend the constitution appropriately abraham lincoln first inaugural address march 4 1861 this country with its institutions belongs to the people who inhabit it whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it rep elbridge gerry of massachusetts spoken during floor debate over the second amendment i annals of congress at 750 17 august 1789 what sir is the use of a militia it is to prevent the establishment of a standing army the bane of liberty whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people they always attempt to destroy the militia in order to raise an army upon their ruins so now we know which category mr rutledge is in he means to destroy our liberties and rights what i find so hard to understand is how come some people apparantly not connected with government or otherwise privileged will go to great lengths redefinitions re interpretations in a full bore attempt to throw away the protection of their own rights under the constitution almost makes me think of lemmings running into the sea during a lemming year i really wonder that jefferson and madison would say to these folks when all government in little as in great things shall be drawn to washington as the centre of all power it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated thomas jefferson 1821 excellent quote pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 pat myrto seattle wa if all else fails try uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former albert einstien windows re challenge to microsoft supporters dil admin mhs unc edu dave laudicina once wrote microsoft is the largest software company on the planet yet i cannot think of even one computing concept that they innovated and brought to market before anyone else xerox parc apple osborne next gnu and others have been pioneers and led the way to the future of computing what has microsoft done to be a technological leader i posted this question before but i got nary a reply i make the challenge now to anyone who can come up with something especially microsoft employees i get no response this time i guess it pretty much assures me that there is none which is what i suspect anyway really when you come down to it who cares i just hope ms keeps doing what they do best getting usable productive software to the masses personally ill be blasphemous and say that if microsoft keeps doing what it does so well i hope to see much harsher stricter copyright and patent laws for computer algorithms concepts interfaces and other intellectual properties to protect real innovators id hate to be one who actually does innovate and then have microsoft come in like a huge vulture and use their brute mass development staff marketing etc to get fat off of my innovation i dont have all that much sympathy for apples complaint against microsoft since they just took the ideas from xeroxs pa research center when the federal government forced xerox to disclose their patents over antitrust fears however for other companies and individuals who have a great idea yet get it borrowed by larger corporations who can afford to quickly bring it to market without any licensing from the original innovator i feel much sympathy larry larry weeks those who fight monsters should make sure that dev ecn purdue edu in the process he does not become a monster and when you look long into an abyss the abyss also looks into you friedrich nietszche medicine re jiggers in article 78846 cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes this wouldnt happen to be the same thing as chiggers would it a truly awful parasitic affliction as i understand it tiny bugs dig deeply into the skin burying themselves yuck they have these things in oklahoma close my mother comes from gainesville tex right across the border they claim to be the chigger capitol of the world and i believe them when i grew up in fort worth it was bad enough but in gainesville in the summer an attack was guaranteed doug mcdonald windows serial printing windows re challenge to microsoft supporters tim glauert thg cam orl co uk wrote in article 14987 news duke edu kdb teer13 acpub duke edu kurt bollacker writes tim glauert thg cam orl co uk wrote in article 14957 news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu kurt bollacker writes none of this changes the fact that msw3 1 is objectively inferior to its competition do you mean that msw3 1 is objectively inferior in some respects which is trivially true that it is objectively inferior in all respecets which is trivially false or do you mean something else what criteria have you chosen for your objective assesment are you sure that these criteria are themselves objective i believe that enough is inferior to make it overall as a product inferior to its competition apple system 7 os 2 2 0 nextstep 3 0 unix xwindows pick your favorite flavor in other words it is your opinion that msw3 1 is inferior to its competition thats not the same as msw3 1 being objectively inferior no it is technically inferior to the os guis that i listed i have already described why to say briefly system 7 easier to learn and use there have been independent studies to that effect os 2 can run msw applications and has more stable multitasking nextstep easier to learn use and program more stable multitasking unix x as easy to learn and use more stable multitasking with the prpoer setup all of these will exchange data with msw machines as well as msw machines will amongst themselves so interoperability is not an issue by this criterion it is inferior if you have another then perhaps i am incorrect do you pick up the glove kurt d bollacker duke university medical center kdb sunbar mc duke edu durham nc 27710 baseball re white and black racism was about the phillies in article 1quonm 24c network ucsd edu king cogsci ucsd edu jonathan king writes theres too many s here for my taste by now which means ive reached my maximum depth on this thread ive cut out some things below but nothing that should affect the sense of the discussion i agree ill delete more as well fester island com mike fester writes king cogsci ucsd edu jonathan king writes perhaps you can give a more recent citation of any player mentioned as a malingerer thanks i guess i dont understand your question i was trying to imply that the accusations of glenn davis malingering were certainly not played up very much still if the whispers reached san francisco it is certainly possible they were stronger elsewhere also it was teammates making the aspersions in any event i know of no other player to be maligned in the last couple years but in any case i believe mike lavalliere has been accused of poor work habits and general sloth recently probably not malingering just as he was being released its interesting that nobody heard much about these problems before if they were so important i have heard sanders called many things as well i have not heard him called lazy given the 2 sport phenomenon it would be difficult to label him as such exactly so which means his media detractors have had to say other things about him i believe its a general phenomenon that if writers dont like you theyll find a label that will stick no matter who you are i find myself more interested in the selection of labels than in why writers feel they need to act this way not that this fascinates me that much either uh the original authors point was that black and white players were por trayed differently by the media and towards this he gave a highly selected list to prove his case sanders name showed up eventually i dispute that sanders has ever been called lazy by the media hmm big ego possible club house disturbance etc is that good press no but it isnt the total extent of the press he received in pittsburgh where he was called all kinds of things including lazy and spoiled by the local columnists again the actual words used may shift around with time and expediency but lazy tends to be higher on the list for non white players at least in my subjective opinion aside it might be interesting for somebody to do an archival study on player descriptions before and after the color barrier was broken and on teams like the red sox which have been traditionally white nowadays most people think of carl yastrzemski as one of those blue collar hard working guys but in the early 70s he was often portrayed as a lazy bum really hmm i never heard anyone accuse canseco of being lazy nor sierra ive heard accusations that canseco was a bad fielder but could be a great one if he put his mind to it ignoring whether or not he is a actually dave stewart is was one of the most vocal about this in any event that is not lazy at least one poster in the last week has fired off a major screed on the canseco is lazy issue so i think your point is at best a quibble and probably weaker than that uh that poster specifically stated allow me to be the first it is not a quibble then to state that the media did not portray canseco as being lazy if the other person chooses to so accuse him after my post that does not make it a quibble and in fact the media around here tend ed to play up his time in the wieght room hardly lazy and hardly a quibble have you ever seen any mediot portray canseco as lazy unconcerned with his fielding yes lazy no bad fielder i think this is still interesting for that matter i think cansecos colorful off field antics get lots more national attention than those of say roger clemens well hes had a few more of them at least more that youve heard about i think one of the questions here surrounds selective reporting having said that i have to say that the selective reporting hypothesis has the potential to be unfalsifiable at least by those of us who arent reporters police or private investigators well canseco has been involved in several felonies including his high speed record carrying concealed fire arms and of course the domestic violence clemens had a run in at a bar canseco had that as well and in both cases the coverage was relatively minimal puckett stewart jackson i said over represent non whites three anecdotal data points dont make an interesting counter argument btw which jackson are we talking about here reggie bo darrin danny or uh if the only evidence offered is anecdotal how can it be objected that the counter to it is also anecdotal and it seems like everybody who has ever won a batting title among others has been accused at some time of caring more for his own stats than for the good of the team it also seems to me that youre kirby puckett i have never heard this accusation made of puckett i have heard it of boggs actually i believe it of him but thats another matter not living in minnesota i cant say whether or not this line has ever been used against kirby there as far as boggs goes im not sure why you bring him up since hes one of the obvious prototypes for the line i quoted along with ted williams rod carew and many others uh yes and i agree with your assesment of boggs rather specifically however you did say everybody who has ever won a batting title has been accused of selfishness i have not ever anywhere heard this said of puckett pendleton either similarly brett b williams and others how about daryl strawberry and i think the plus or minus refers more to the born again types ie butler and gaetti again you seem to be making an argument from anecdotes on the other hand my argument by is of the because jon says so variety if we have no other data i have to admit i have problems generating lists of non white players who became in famous for their religious or political beliefs while names like butler gaetti dravecky knepper hersheiser et al come rolling out there are others perhaps they are simply not as outspoken except in the case of the born again types i mention mike medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1rhfrkinn816 shelley u washington edu nodrog hardy u washington edu gordon rubenfeld writes banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes to candida blooms following the use of broad spectrum antibiotics gorden rubenfeld through e mail has assured me that most physicians recognize the chance of candida blooms occuring after broad spectrum antibiotic use and they therefore reinnoculate their patients with good bacteria to restore competetion for candida in the body i do not believe that this is yet a standard part of medical practice nor is it mine what i tried to explain to marty was that it is clearly understood that antibiotic exposure is a risk factor for fungal infections which is not the same as saying bacteria prevent fungal infections marty made this sound like a secret known only to veternarians and biochemists anyone who has treated a urinary tract infection knowns this at some centers pre op liver transplant patients receive bowel decontamination directed at retaining good anaerobic flora in an attempt to prevent fungal colonization in this soon to be high risk group i also use lactobacillus to treat enteral nutrition associated diarrhea that may be in part due to alterations in gut flora however it is not part of my routine practice to reinnoculate patients with good bacteria after antibiotics i have seen no data on this practice preventing or treating fungal infections in at risk patients whether or not it is a logical extension from the available observations ill leave to those of you who base strong opinions and argue over such speculations in the absence of clinical trials one place such therapy has been described is in treating particularly recalcitrant cases of c difficile colitis not a fungal infection there are case reports of using stool ie someone elses enemas to repopulate the patients flora dont try this at home not give give her advise to use the otc anti fungal creams since candida colonizes primarily in the ano rectal area gi symptoms should be more common than vaginal problems after broad spectrum antibiotic use except that it isnt at least symptomatically apparent disease medicine has not and probalby never will be practiced this way there has always been the use of conventional wisdom a very good example is kidney stones conventional wisdom because clinical trails have not been done to come up with an effective prevention was that restricitng the intake of calcium and oxalates was the best way to prevent kidney stones from forming clinical trials focused on drugs or ultrasonic blasts to breakdown the stone once it formed through the recent new england j of medicine article we now know that conventional wisdom was wrong increasing calcium intake is better at preventing stone formation than is restricting calcium intake seems like this is an excellent argument for ignoring anecdotal conventional wisdom a euphemism for no data and doing a good clinical trial like au dismukes w e wade j s lee j y dockery b k hain j d ti a randomized double blind trial of nystatin therapy for the candidiasis hypersensitivity syndrome see comments so n engl j med 1990 dec 20 323 25 p 1717 23 psychological tests results the three active treatment regimens and the all placebo regimen significantly reduced both vaginal and systemic symptoms p less than 0 001 but nystatin did not reduce the systemic symptoms significantly more than placebo conclusions in women with presumed candidiasis hypersensitivity syndrome nystatin does not reduce systemic or psychological symptoms significantly more than placebo consequently the empirical recommendation of long term nystatin therapy for such women appears to be unwarranted does this trial address every issue raised here no jon noring was not surprised at this negative trial since they didnt use sporanox despite crooks recommendation for nystatin maybe they didnt avoid those carbohydrates the conventional wisdom in animal husbandry has been that animals need to be reinnoculated with good bacteria after coming off antibiotic therapy if it makes sense for livestock why doesnt it make sense for humans david we are not talking about a dangerous treatment unless you consider yogurt dangerous if this were a standard part of medical practice as gordon r says it is then the incidence of gi distress and vaginal yeast infections should decline marty youve also changed the terrain of the discussion from empiric itraconazole for undocumented chronic fungal sinusitis with systemic hypersensitivity symptoms noring syndrome to the yoghurt and vitamin therapy of undocumented candida enteritis elaine palmer syndrome with systemic symptoms there is significant difference between the cost and risk of these two empiric therapeutic trials are we talking about real candida infections the whole yeast connection hypothesis the efficacy of routine bacterial repopulation in humans or the ability of anecdotally effective therapies challenged by a negative randomized trial to confirm an etiologic hypothesis post hoc ergo propter hoc we cant seem to focus in on a disease a therapy or a hypothesis under discussion im lost candida can do that to you gordon i think that the best clinical trial for candida blooms would involve giving women with chronic vaginal candida blooms l acidophilus orally and see it it can decrease the frequency and extent of candida blooms in the vagina since most of the candida seems to be migrating in from the anal region and l acidophilus should be able keep the candida in check if it can make it through the intestinal tract and colonize in the anus where it will have access to oxygen just like it does in the vagina as much stuff as there is in the lay press about l acidophilus and vaginal yeast infections im really amazed that someone has not done a clinical trial yet to check it out the calcium and kidney stone story is not a good reason to throw all conventional wisdom out the window where would medicine be if conventional wisdom had not been used to develop many of the standard medical practices that could not be confirmed through clinical trials the clinical trial is a very new arrival on the medical scene and a very important one the lack of proof that reinnoculation with good bacteria after antibiotic use is important to the health of a patient is no reason to dismiss it out of hand especially if reinnoculation can be done cleaply and safely like it is in animal husbandry marty b windows deriving from class object with owl i am trying to define my own class derived from the object class so that i may insert them into a hashtable a class provided by the container class library i have defined all of the pure virtual functions of object but i still get an error when i attempt to allocate a hashentry object cannot create instance of abstract class hashentry has anyone derived from class object before what have i left out here are the virtual functions that i defined from object virtual classtype isa const return hashentryclass virtual pchar nameof const return hashentry virtual hashvaluetype hashvalue const return hashvalue hwindow note hwindow is defined in hashentry virtual int isequal const object far obj const return this hashentry obj virtual void printon rostream os const os hwindow is void far hwindow n bowden wise computer science dept rensselaer polytechnic inst troy ny 12180 internet wiseb cs rpi edu windows qestion about amipro demo files on cica hello i have a question about the demo files for amipro v3 uploaded in cica i downloaded it and tryied to install it however it didnt work in addition it altered or eliminated my nwres2 dll file so that i had to reinstall my norton desktop again is there anything i have to know to install it or do i eventually have to ask lotus to send a working model to me i heard that they have it i just want to see its look and feel before buying it any pointer would be greatly appreciated thank you hiroto miyoshi psych toronto edu guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article c5t2ic dc news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes please tell me what you think would have happened had the people come out with their hands up several weeks ago now will you answer my question up top a suggestion cameras panning over planted automatic weapons followed by a show trial and medals all around for the valiant forces of lawn order cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time dont have a list of whats been said before so hopefully not repeating how about horizontally mounted oil filters like on my ford that no matter how hard you try will spill out their half quart on the bottom of the car when you change them joe st lucas stlucas gdwest gd com standard disclaimers apply general dynamics space systems san diego work is something to keep me busy between ultimate frisbee games cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr15 160922 8797 magnus acs ohio state edu sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu steven j orlin writes in article 1993apr15 135514 29579 cbnewsj cb att com rdb1 cbnewsj cb att com ronald j deblock jr writes you can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in place of the bolt i have one on both of my cars there have been no leaks in 210 000 miles combined miles on both cars yes but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot all they have to do is reach underneath turn a valve and forget the trip home but there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them i personally recommend installing a special locking drain plug to keep vandals away steve i was worried about someone stealing my oil once also i finally decided to just have my drain plug welded shut it works great i figure that when i add three or four quarts when the oil light comes on every month or so that its just as good or better than the old wives tale of changing the oil and filter every 3000 miles works for me i must say guns repeat violent criminals is reform often impossible from the boston globe thursday april 22 1993 p 44 walpole man 32 guilty in rape kenne n h a walpole man charged with kidnapping a mother of two from her home then raping and beating her has pleaded guilty roger santaw jr also plead ed guilty to an attempted escape from cheshire county jail last win ter santaw 32 is scheduled to be sentenced next week the rape last fall came six months after santaw was released from prision where he spent 15 years for a rape he commit ted when he was 16 ap end of article any reactions did he do enough time what should his penalty be btw walpole is a town in massachusetts of course new hampshire is close by j case kim kim39 husc harvard edu guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5stlg fwq news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes sorry guy you got it wrong atf was pumping tear gas into the compound the branch davidians going along with their apocolyptic faith set their own compound on fire killing all but 9 or so no children survived seeing as how people are willing to quote the fbi quoting cultists who just yesterday were deranged and not to be trusted hmm the fbi or the cultists i think ill quote the bbc quoting actually voice interview one of the two british survivors he claimed that the fire started when the tanks caused an internal wooden wall roof to collapse knocking over kerosene lamps and that they had no suicide plan maybe true partly true or false alan greig janet a greig uk ac dct dundee institute of technology internet a greig dct ac uk tel 0382 308810 int 44 382 308810 never underestimate the power of human stupidity religion re christian meta ethics in article c5jzz7 9g7 panix com mls panix com michael siemon writes well the whole point of making these the base commandments is that they arent reducible to rules a set of rules is a moral code or a law code or an algorithm for acting such things can be very helpful to individuals or societies but not if they are used instead of a personal involvement in and responsibility for ones actions the two commandments are rules they are merely rules that are so vague that they are practically devoid of meaning michael siemon acknowledges this every time he writes that the resolution of an argument over them turns on secular and cultural assumptions that are independent of these rules the great commandment is more than anything else a call to act as if you were god and accepting ultimate responsibility in your every action the commandment to love your neighbor as yourself can be viewed in part as reminding man that he is not god and cannot act as if he has ultimate responsibility indeed many traditions present an interpretation where believers are supposed to interpret loving ones neighbor as following various other rules and relying on their god to make things come out right precisely because it would be wrong for man to assume such ultimate responsibility once again we are confronted with good sounding goo that means whatever the reader wants it to mean conservatives may twist this act as if you were god to mean lay down rules for other people and be as nasty to them as possible if they dont keep your rules they are so insistent and obvious about this that they have convinced a lot of people who rightly reject the whole concept that such idiocy is how god acts and who is to say that this interpretation is twisted there are many passages in the bible that in their most straightforward reading show the christian god behaving in just this way michael cannot refer to base claims or base commandments to show that such readings are twisted because this divergence in understanding occurs even in trying to interpret the base claims and commandments in addressing conservative christians michael will necessarily draw upon secular and cultural notions that these conservative christians will reject but why should anyone be looking for an ethical system since our society is eager to hand us one or more no matter what we do it may be that we need a principle for the critique of ethical systems in which case i will profer the agapate allelou once again but these base commandments are too vague to serve as a principle for the critique of ethical systems the meaning of these base commandments for any believer derives from the secular and cultural notions that the believer brings to them from how the believer mixes their demands with straightforward readings of other biblical passages from a particular sectarian tradition or from some combination of these things these commandments lack sufficient substance in themself to serve as a basis for criticizing ethical systems what meaning they have comes from the ethical system the believer brings to these commandments and different bodies of christians have from the beginning urged different ethical systems or in some cases none as a result it is bizarre to identify any one of these systems however popular or infamous with christianity christianity does not have a torah it does not have a quran specifically christian scripture has very little if anything in the way of commandments so little that the christians who desperately want commandments go mining for them with almost no support the one single thing in the gospels which jesus specifically gives as a commandment to us is love one another jesus explicitly states that this summarizes jewish law which would seem to bring in all of it if we properly understand what it means to love god and love our neighbors there are many parables and teachings the gospels attribute to jesus that are straightforwardly read as ethical commandments the pauline epistles are similarly full if it is not clear that these all come together in a sensible understanding of ethical behavior the problem is not a lack of raw material i am a radical christian only in that i take the gospel seriously no michael the conservative christians also take the gospel seriously what differentiates you is the way you interpret the gospel why dont i and the myriads of other christians like me tell you something about christianity in a sense the wide variety of interpretations does tell us something about christianity it tells us that the new testament authors left a sufficiently vague hodge podge that it can serve as the source text for many vastly different beliefs about the nature of the christian god and about what men should and shouldnt do the irony here is that there is nothing in christianity per se that michael can use to support the cause of lesbians and gays every christian principle he turns to this cause is effective only through the extra christian principles through which michael interprets his religion and the homophobes apply the same christian principles with equal justification to their cause in short it is the extra christian principles that make michaels christianity beneficial and i suspect they would be as beneficial perhaps moreso without being filtered by christian interpretation michael paints a picture of standard american atheism as the rejection of the evil in many conservative christian interpretations of the bible but i think it is even more damaging to christianity to note that the new testament presents such a vague hodge podge of notions about the nature of god and the nature of the good except of course when it is ordered by an interpretation that relies on extraneous principles here i think we should apply a christian parable where a cold drink can have its value and a hot drink can have its value but the lukewarm we should spit out russell cars re did us drive on the left in article yfkbjqs00uh e9tfo andrew cmu edu daniel u holbrook dh3q andrew cmu edu writes stuff about rhd desotos deleted well sweden and australia and lord knows wherever else used to drive on australians still do drive on the wrong side of the road i believe sweden changed in 1968 the way i heard it was that they swapped all the traffic signs around one sunday the wrong side of the road so the export market might have been larger then than just the uk craig cars last of the v 8 interceptors does anyone know what kind of car mad max used in road warrior they called it the last of the v 8 interceptors i couldnt tell what it was it was so chopped up thanks windows canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 hello fellow netters i am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer i should purchase the canon bj200 bubblejet vs the hp deskjet 500 i thought rather than trust the salesperson i would benefit more from relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest potential and i figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls better than any salesperson now i would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 dpi of the canon bubblejet vs the hewlett packard deskjet 500 300 dpi which is faster is there a noticeable print quality difference particularly in graphics which will handle large documents better 75 pages or more any personal experience on either will be appreciated here which works better under windows 3 1 any driver problems etc cost of memory font packages toner cartridges etc basically your personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable both good and bad advance kudos and thanks for all your input e mail or news posting is readily acceptable but e mail is encouraged limits bandwidth sincerely robert kayman kayman cs stanford edu or cpa cs stanford edu in theory theory and practice are the same in practice they are not you mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision revised cars re license plates nissan in a previous article edf003 marshall wvnet edu says hi im interested in getting the list for license plate numbers if anyone has a listing id appreciate getting a copy of it thanks you must be incredibly bored have you considered reading the phone book dod 650 darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion windows re need longer filenames is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than the standard 8 3 format yep its called os2 yep you can use any type of unix or maybe vms or buy a mac or something if you want longer filenames for your documents i heard of a wordprocessor for windows which let you assign long names to files those long filenames could only be seen from that programs open save dialogs though maybe someone knows more about this wordprocessor than i do if i rember correctly lotus notes gives u this possiblity among other things tom softsys se baseball re millitello update in article 1993apr14 175343 3431 alleg edu millits yankee org sam millitello says uhhhh i think i spelled my name correctly sam millitello uhhhh there are only three ls bob vesterman windows re simple windows question in article 1993apr23 214110 15315 sarah albany edu jr0930 eve albany edu diamond writes when running dos 5 0 under windows 3 0 i lose the ability to do a print screen i have no problem with this when im running dos not under windows open up the pif file with the pif editor click on the advanced button and then reserve the prtsc key for the application any keys that you select in this section will be passed along to the application rather than being processed by windows bob nichols at t bell laboratories rnichols ihlpm ih att com baseball a warning to homeowners low flying aircraft and astronomers oakland california sunday april 25th 1 05 pm pdt jose mesa vs storm davis you have been warned gary huckabay outside that was right down the bleedin pipe balder than any kenny i realize i dont have great control but dave on the net cmon gary that was a styrofoam cup the really plates a foot to your right throw the ball cars re what is the deal with blue book value of an auto in article 1993apr22 143709 13360 news eng convex com newton convex com vicki newton writes i am in the process of buying a new auto i havent decided yet whether i should sell my current car myself or trade it in as part of the new auto purchase i know that the blue book value for the car is 2825 an acquaintence has offered to give me blue book value for the car i am just wondering if this is a standard measure for negotiating a resale price or if i can hope to get more money from someone else what exactly is blue book value based on i know that for its year 88 my car has low mileage 50 000 it is in excellent working condition but does have a few dings on the exterior nothing major do any of these facts alter the fair selling p rice of the car i am not looking to rip anyone off i just naturally want to get the best price for the car thanks a million veek a dealer will make money off you in three ways if you let him 1 new car markup over his cost remember his hold back 2 arranging financing through the dealership and 3 screwing you on the trade keep the deal with the dealer simple by eliminating 2 3 buying a car at dealers cost is meaningless if he makes 1000 on the trade and or gets a kickback from the bank blue book you need to know if youre talking average wholesale or average retail is a good guide to value for a car if you are selling it yourself try to get average retail and chances are youll have done ok be careful selling to acquaintances if you ever want them to become friends c b fowler gtri esml chris fowler gtri gatech edu guns re some more about gun control in article 1993apr14 232806 18970 beaver cs washington edu graham cs washington edu stephen graham writes in article 1qhpcn b12 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes consider a similar structure a well educated electorate being necessary for the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed now does this mean only the electorate can keep and read books does it mean only registered voters can keep and read books does it mean only those who have voted can keep and read books does it imply any restrictions at all on the right to keep and read books but it would imply that the state had the right to regulate and enforce education thats nice but it doesnt answer the question there is a difference between the feds can mandate literacy and the feds cant interfere with literacy book possession as far as john q public with a gun the supreme court has already ruled in cases such as us v miller 307 u s 175 1939 and us v verdugo urquidez 110 s ct 1839 1990 that that is exactly what the amendment protects this interpretation can be found as far back as the dred scott case in 1857 its worth noting that us vs miller sustained millers conviction of possession of an illegal firearm noting that a sawed off shotgun was not a proper militia weapon therefore us vs miller supports limited government regulation of firearms actually the miller court did nothing of the kind it remanded the case back to the trial court because the miller court didnt know if the weapon in question was a militia weapon doesnt it bother anyone that a major constitutional issue was taken up in a case where there was no defense miller had been released by the appeals court and disappeared only the govt was represented we dont know what would have happened with the reasonable all guns are militia weapons argument andy baseball re hbp bb big cat kubey sgi com ken kubey writes and finally id like to point out that many high obp guys draw their walks more because pitchers are afraid to throw a strike to them than because they have a great eye this comes up periodically and i just dont get it take for example mark mcgwire he walked 90 times in 1993 if thats not a potential great example of what youre talking about then i dont know what is now lets look at what happens when mcgwire doesnt walk 75 of the time he made an out 10 of the time he hit a single 5 of the time he hit a double 10 of the time he hit a homer now youre pitching against mcgwire would you trade 20 walks for 2 homers 1 double 2 singles and 15 outs i would why give him the base when you can get him out 3 times out of 4 then there are guys like alex cole who has a career 363 obp even though hes never had a batting average over 300 he did hit 300 in 227 ab in 1990 or hit a single home run yep thats right hes never hit a homer in 916 abs through the end of 1992 whod be afraid to throw a strike to him mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com ive never been prejudiced by sex entertained yes but never prejudiced justice dan snow walter matthau medicine help help maybe anybody know names of conferences in please help me find any information for next keywords echocardiography and cardiology dopler i hawe no informatins on this subjects 2 years becouse i leave in tbilisy sorry for my bad english my adress irina kiria kheta georgia su cars re changing brake fluid is it necessary in article 1993apr23 163129 53125 gmuvax gmu edu lcarr gmuvax gmu edu wrote hi ive been seeing all these articles about changing brake fluid and i am wondering if this is really necessary i have an 86 toyota corolla sr5 with 94000 and i am in the process of doing preventative maintenance and i was wondering if this was something that i should add to my list of things to do any information would be greatly appreciated i really love this car and would like to keep it for as long as possible thanx lisa sign me only a manual will do amplifying on jeff gosss answer the absorbed water will rust your brakelines and master cylinder and calipers and you could suddenly lose all your brake fluid cars re opel owners mliggett silver ucs indiana edu matthew liggett writes in c5t3b2 dg news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca darren gibbons writes im looking for information on opel cars now you ask which model well the sad truth is im not entirely sure but its a two seater with roll over headlights hard top and really sporty looking my friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition body wise but he transmission has seized up on him so it hasnt run for a while does anyone have any info on these cars the engine compartment looks really tight to work on but it is in fine shape and i am quite interested in it thanks darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca this would be the manta would it not sold through buick dealers in the mid 70s as the price leader sounds a lot more like an opel gt to me id guess that this is on the same chassis as the kadett rather than the bigger manta but i could easily be wrong i think the later kadetts were sold here as buick opels craig i think the manta is the european name for the gt im pretty sure that the only kadetts sold here were are the pontiac lemans i think the gt is just an early 70s to mid 70s manta chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area bzzt the manta was a two door sedan in the us it had a 1900 engine was sometimes referred to as an opel 1900 mantas are also ve hot and fun cars too mliggett silver ucs indiana edu mliggett iugold bitnet junk collector toys r us kid antiauthoritarian and fan of frogs iguanas and other herps funny the mantas over in europe look surprisingly like the opel alluded to by the original poster chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area baseball re re all time best players overall career 1 don mattingly 2 don mattingly 3 don mattingly 4 don mattingly 5 don mattingly 6 don mattingly 7 don mattingly 8 don mattingly 9 don mattingly 10 don mattingly 11 don mattingly 50 don mattingly medicine re sex problem larry silverberg ls8139 albnyvms bitnet wrote hello out there she suggested we go to a sex counselor but i really dont want to just yet interesting does she know you have placed this info request on the net for the world to see if not how do you think she would react if she found out why would you accept the advice of unknown entities rather than a counselor any suggestions would be appreciated see the counselor well you asked cars clothing was re male female mystery re dumbest automotive in article 1pima2inn180 gap caltech edu wen king cs caltech edu wen king su writes this has me thinking is there a biological reason why women cant put their keys in their pants pockets like men do i have two pockets on the back of each of my pants i put my keys in one and wallent in another many of the pockets even have a botton on them so i can close them securely everything is that much simpler for me why cant women do the same is is biological ie not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and a wallet or is it the way they are raised by the parents oh pulleeze its not biology at all its clothing design womens clothing is generally designed to be as non functional as possible its only been in the last five years or so that you could buy womens pants with pockets deep enough to carry anything in previously deep pockets were virtually unknown in womens clothing skirts generally have better pockets now too dresses espcially fancy dresses are still pretty hopeless i often hand my drivers license over to my husband if were dressed up to go out somewhere so i dont have to be encumbered by a purse if women consistently bought functional clothing and boycotted the manufacturers who refuse to make functional womens clothing i think manufacturers would tend to bow to market pressures theres an interesting chapter in susan faludis backlash that described what happened the last time clothing manufacturers ignored the need for functional womens clothing the manufactuing industry lost millions from a woman who would rather buy mens clothing with decent pockets and long legs and high waists than womens clothing without lmann jjmhome uucp internet laurie mann genie claiming that sex education leads to irresponsible sex is like claiming that driver education leads to car accidents guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes i will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors but here goes monday 19 april 1993 13 30 edt murder most foul cnn is reporting as i write this that the atf has ignited all the buildings of the branch dividian ranch near waco tx the lies from atf say holes were made in the walls and non lethal tear gas pumped in a few minutes after this started the whole thing went up all buildings are aflame no one has escaped i think it obvious that the atf used armored flame thrower vehicles to pump in unlit napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it actually if a few minutes translates into 6 hours you have it right but you and i guess your single source news agency cnn failed to mention the davidians pouring kerosene all over and lighting it in plain view this is murder well small scale jim jones type suicide with fire instead of kool aid atf murderers butchers sorry guy you got it wrong atf was pumping tear gas into the compound the branch davidians going along with their apocolyptic faith set their own compound on fire killing all but 9 or so no children survived this is genocidal mass slaughter of innocent people including children self slaughter anyway i pity the children who were to young to be able to make a conscious choice i have predicted this from the start but god it sickens me to see it happen i had hoped i was wrong i had hoped that there was still some shred of the america i grew up with and loved left alive i was wrong the nazis have won you are wrong thank goodness i would suggest however that you take a deep breath and wait 30 minutes or so before posting also make sure your facts are correct before making your allegations sp i repeat as of this time there are no survivors you repeated wrong there were 9 god help us all god help the branch davidians please crosspost dont let them get away with the slaughter of the children no dont there is way too much of this crap being crossposted all over creation as it is personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were medicine re food related seizures i remember hearing a few years back about a new therapy for hyperactivity which involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring and flavoring from the diet the theory which was backed up by interesting anecdotal results is that certain people are just way more sensitive to these chemicals than other people i dont remember any connection being made with seizures but it certainly couldnt hurt to try an all natural diet religion re new religion forming sign up yawn the church of kibology did it first and better windows re re win nt what is it i have little info on chicago so i cant make a comparison is it in beta is there anyone out there who has tested both and cares to make a comparison just my 0 02 aln chicago from what i have read is projected to run in 4m on 386 and higher it is definitely aimed at the desktop it is rumored to offer preemptive multitasking multithreading but will not offer multiprocessing is 32 bit and no reliance on dos it is rumored to have an integrated file and program manager dos 7 is rumored to be similar to chicago but without the gui is also a step towards cairo the next generation os which is rumored to be object oriented i wonder where windows 4 0 fits here is it a stepping stone to chicago hope this helps thx dave l cars re male female mystery re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article 1pima2inn180 gap caltech edu wen king cs caltech edu wen king su wrote in article 1993apr1 191826 28921 iscnvx lmsc lockheed com sharen iscnvx lmsc lockheed com sharen a rund writes apparently youre not a woman my husband hates the auto door locks features but forgets that besides families with children a woman feels safer in a car that locks easily in addition to watching around checking out if anyones near me when i get to my car never park in a secluded spot etc have my keys ready to open the door so im not fumbling in my purse looking for them this has me thinking is there a biological reason why women cant put their keys in their pants pockets like men do i have two pockets on the back of each of my pants i put my keys in one and wallent in another many of the pockets even have a botton on them so i can close them securely everything is that much simpler for me why cant women do the same is is biological ie not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and a wallet or is it the way they are raised by the parents womens pants rarely have pockets and most when they do are too shallow to use i is very important for a woman to have her keys in her hand when she goes from building to a car it is protect herself from would be assilants by broadcasting that this is someone who as a definite place of safty ie a locked car puting keys and walet looks ugly it breaks the lines and makes you rear look wide as a cows also to have the habits that work for any clothing situation the pruse functions no mater what you are wearing even nude or a bikni a womens suit coat is lucky to have 2 pockets 2 on the outside none on the inside i have mens coats that have as much as 6 pockets this is definitally not fair as one that wears both mens and womens clothes i can tell you womens clothes have few if any funtional pockets when dressed as a man i put my wallet on my inside coat pocket and my keys in a coat outside pocket it is much more covenent than the pants pockets and looks better having a car that unlocks quickly and locks back fast is paramout to a womans safty men dont see this as a problem a woman is aware of this every time she goes out i e image some red necks yelling at you we are going to fuck you and the out weight you by 20 lbs and have 3 inches in hight on you if you want to find out why a women does something live as one celeste cars slick 50 any good chances are that this has been discussed to death already and if so could someone who has kept the discussion mail me or direct me to an archive site basically i am just wondering if slick 50 really does all it says that it does and also is there any data to support the claim thanks for any info mike davis mad9a fermi clas virginia edu medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition frequently of late i have been reacting to something added to restaurant foods what happens is that the inside of my throat starts to feel puffy like i have a cold and also at times the inside of my mouth especially the tongue and lips also feel puffy the situations around these symptoms almost always involve restaurants usually chinese the most notable cases a cheap chinese fast food chain a japanese steak house i had the steak and another chinese fast food chain where i saw the cook put about a tablespoon or two of what looked like sugar or salt into my fried rice i am under the impression that msg enhances flavor by causing the taste buds to swell if this is correct i do not find it unreasonable to assume that high doses of msg can cause other mouth tissues to swell also as the many of the occurances including two of the above involved beef and as beef is frequently tenderized with msg this is what i suspect as being the cause i wouldnt be at all surprised if toxicity studies of msg in animals showed it as being harmless as it would be very startling to hear a lab rat or rhesus monkey complain about their throats feeling funny anyone who wishes to explain how the majority of food additives are totally harmless is welcome to e mail me with the results of any studied they know of i will probably respond to them however with a reminder of how long it took to prove that smoking causes cancer which the tobacco companies still deny dm if i sound grumpy its because i had beef with broccoli for lunch today and now it hurts to swallow dan myers madman if the creator had intended us to walk myers usceast cs scarolina edu upright he wouldnt have given us knuckles guns re a universal right to bear arms not nathan laplace biology yale edu nathan f janette writes in article 1993apr2 080842 3554 a cs okstate edu kennejs a cs okstate edu kennedy james scot writes gary ke4zv uucp gary coffman writes in article 1993apr1 173759 4636 cs yale edu nathan laplace biology yale edu writes in article c4sk5w lsr ms uky edu miles ms uky edu stephen d grant writes nathan laplace biology yale edu nathan f janette writes i suppose thats true if you maintain that ak 47s and ar 15s are hunting weapons i think they are fun to plink cans targets random vc with but not suitable for real hunting wrong both are legal to hunt with here in kentucky i have a picture of a friend with a nice 8 point buck which he shot with his ar 15 rifle i dont think many deer hunters would condone your friends choice of rifle i must agree with nathan as a deer hunter i find it inhumane to use underpowered weapons for deer hunting to kill cleanly with the little 223 requires extremely good marksmanship most hunting situations dont allow for perfect shots hunters should use sufficiently powerful weapons to drop the deer with a single hit to the chest the 7 62x39 from the aks 47 or sks is adequate to this task having similar ballistics to the familiar 30 30 but the little 223 is very marginal in the hands of the expert or the lucky it will do but hunters really should have more respect for their quarry gary ill agree that the popular 55 gr loading for 223 rem is too small for deer sized game however if you use a 70 gr semi spritzer or the sierra 63 gr semi pointed bullet this would be suitable like any round you keep your shots within a reasonable range it would still be on the lower end of what id consider acceptable performance especially those long distance shots out west hunting monster mule deer the 223 rem has been declared legal for deer hunting in oklahoma the 223 is excellent for varmit hunting and pest control the ar 15 in particular is well suited given its heavy barrel and heat shielded foregrip add a high power scope and youre in dog heaven however i dont think nathan janette was refering to the specific chambering of the rifle in question maybe he thinks self loading rifles have no place in deer hunting that may or may not be his opinion but many sportsmen do use self loading rifles and shotguns wrongo nra man i was definitely referring to the round not the auto loading aspect of the rifle i have no problem with responsible hunting that doesnt include machine guns from choppers but a semi is fine my uncle has bagged several deer with 12 gauge slugs i would prefer that a hunter use as much of the catch as possible and i dont condone hunting for sport only imho of course two questions 1 you asserted that both the ar 15 and ak 47 are not suitable for real hunting if you have no problem with hunting or using self loading rifles for hunting why did you say this if not for deer then what about other smaller game 2 when did i get the nickname nra man notice i have never referred to you as janette which you dont seem to like do i get any super powers like spider man or powdered toast man scott kennedy brewer patriot and now nra man defender of truth justice and the 2nd amendment kennejs a cs okstate edu guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article c5sou8 lnb news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article 1993apr20 163730 16128 guinness idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu andrew betz writes in article c5rynw iz8 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes and i suppose the fbi also prevented them from coming out with their hands up while national tv cameras watch watch from where two miles away far enough away that whatever really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of a humiliated agency that said quote enough is enough please tell me what you think would have happened had the people come out with their hands up several weeks ago it didnt happen scenario that is simplest and most plausible i do not generally believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely scenarios the fbi sent letters to martin luther kings wife insinuating that mlk was having an affair again please tell us exactly how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government more than someone who would not release children from the compound obviously you are an authority worshiper i e more than david koresh vernon howell jesus christ i saw lengthy excerpts from an australian documentary made in 1992 that clearly showed that this was a cult give me a camera and time with you and i can present excerpts that show you to be a cult leader guarenteed you should at least view the whole documentary before you claim it as a source i am not pleased with the batf handling of the affair i think they bungled it badly from the start but i dont think they are responsible for the fire which started in two different places two places eh you saw this or did the wonderful fbi tell you this i saw one place the batf is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair but to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is ludicrous i suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to risk small arms fire to get some good footage these people were told to get the hell out of camera range why couldnt answer this one eh this is the most important question of all it is the root cause of all the other suspicion drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho when you outlaw rights only outlaws will have rights spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrection nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia mi5 mi6 kgb deuterium jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 cars re is car saftey important in article 1993apr20 163527 12773 bnr ca tcorkum bnr ca trevor corkum writes i was recently thumbing through the 1993 lemon aid new car guide what i found was a car would be given a recommended under the picture while a few sentences later noting how a driver and passenger were virtually guaranteed to be killed in a front end collision the most highly recommended small car the civic has the worst crash rating of all of the small cars listed there were many such cases of great vehicles where you wouldnt survive an accident is it only me or is safety not one of the most important factors when buying a car imho the best way to reduce risk when operating a vehicle is being able to avoid hazards and for that reason my preferred vehicle is a motorcycle when i do use a four wheeler my primary reasons are it will keep me dry it will keep me warm or it will carry more cargo if the four wheeler has as much collision protection as the average motorcycle then it has enough form me how do you define safe one definition of safe is without risk is chas dod 7769 oh how can you be in two places at once when youre not anywhere at all firesign theatre baseball re royals in article spork 735077099 camelot spork camelot bradley edu richard izzo writes b s about darkness deleted oh lighten up what depresses me is that they might actually finish last which i believe hasnt happened since their second season in 1970 nope the royals are the only team in the majors that have not finished in last place of course this doesnt include the marlins and the rockies but they have a good chance at finishing last also rich baseball re zane rescue us from simmons in article sfovx7o00wb4mium0d andrew cmu edu mamatha devineni ratnam mr47 andrew cmu edu writes so far simmons looks like a total idiot 5 leyland should accept a part of the blame for the lavalliere situation i cant understand his and managements fear of losing tom prince through waivers even if they do whats the use he is aright hander like slaught not a very smart platoon also i am blaming leyland in this case since he is hcurrently convinced that lavalliere is through while giving him way too much time last year in the regular season and the playoffs slaught should have played in all 7 games he has a good average against right handed pitching didnt leyland and simmons forsee this last year and attempt to trade lavalliere last year itself any fool could tell them lavalliere wasnt very fit last year sorry but this is the biggest load of bunk ive seen in a while a the pirates have been trying to trade lavalliere for some time now nobody was even vaguely interested b several other teams had made it known that they would grab prince who was out of options c lavallieres release had nothing to do with him being through he was released because in the event of an injury to slaught lavalliere is no longer capable they believe of being the everyday catcher since slaught is as good against righties as he is against lefties the offense should actually improve with this move toby guns waco suicide those of us who questioned the mass suicide line may still have wondered if it wasnt suicide why did so few get out the answer is now available the gas the government had been pouring in on them is so disabling that its use in wartime is banned by the chemical weapons treaty the u s had agreed not to use this gas against enemy soldiers in wartime but used it in peacetime against civilians including nnocent children for confirmation see fridays clinton am press briefing by george stephanopoulous posted in alt news media and other locations when questioned about it his reply was that the treaty did not forbid its internal use by law enforcement agencies this posting from stephen f austin state universitys anonymous account please report abuses to newsmgr ccsvax sfasu edu cars radar detectors in the uk did youy guys know that it is legal to own a radar detector but is illegal to use it isnt that a bit like owning a gun but not being allowed to use it my mate just switches his off whenever the cops are around windows printer security anyone know of a good software package that will allow us to keep track of who is printing what and when is there any way to get print manager to keep a log is there a print manager replacement that will do this how about a package that will only allow access to the system for people in a password file i looked at chastity but it will let you log in without a password and doesnt keep tabs of who got on and when any help will be greatly appreciated mark juric a i programs mjuric ai uga edu university of georgia athens georgia 30602 cars internal leak in carburetor hi my friends 1983 toyota tercel accelerates by itself without using the gas peddel the repairman said it has a internal leak of air in the carburetor and needs a new carburetor costs 650 she likes to know if it is possible to fix the problem without replacing the whole carburetor thank you religion rosicrucian order s kent you say that there are about 4 10 competing rosicrucian orders existing today most of them are spin offs from oto and other competing organizations from the 19th century france germany maybe i should write an article please dont about all this i spent some time investigating these organizations and their conceptual world view systems name just three really competing rosicrucian orders i have probably spent more time than you doing the same none of them are spin offs from o t o the opposite may be the case study harder tony medicine re quack quack was re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article noringc5yl3i 3qo netcom com noring netcom com jon noring writes in article rind enterprise bih harvard edu david rind writes do you believe that any quacks exist how about quack diagnoses is being a licensed physician enough to guarantee that someone is not a quack or is it just that even if a licensed physician is a quack other people shouldnt say so i would say there are also significant numbers of unscrupulous doctors of the squeaky clean traditional crew cut talk to the ama before starting any treatment kind umm werent you the one objecting to someone who is a licensed physician being called a quack or is it just that being a licensed physician is a good defense against charges of quackery when the physician agrees with your system of beliefs lately ive seen the word quack bandied about recklessly actually i almost never use the term quack when i discuss systemic yeast syndrome however i always point out that mainstream medicine views this as a quack diagnosis and i agree with that characterization let me put it another way to make my point clear quack is a nebulous word lacking in any precision really i bet virtually everyone reading these posts understands what steve dyer gordon banks and i am implying when we have talked about systemic yeast syndrome as a quack diagnosis would you prefer the word charlatan i dont happen to think that all quacks are charlatans since i suspect that some believe in the diseases they are diagnosing p s may i suggest seriously that if the doctors and wanna be doctors on the net who refuse to have an open mind on alternative treatments and theories such as the yeast theory should create your own moderated group why is there some reason why you feel that it shouldnt be pointed out in sci med that there is no convincing empirical evidence to support the existence of systemic yeast syndrome david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr26 120417 22328 linus mitre org gpivar maestro mitre org greg pivarnik writes in article 1993apr22 211005 21578 scorch apana org au bill scorch apana org au bill dowding writes krillean photography involves taking pictures of minute decapods resident in the seas surrounding the antarctic or pictures taken by them perhaps bill from oz bill no flame intended but youre way way off base in simple terms kirilian photography registers the electromagnetical fields around objects in simple it takes pictures of your aura greg be still be silent the rest is easy greg no flame intended but i think you just missed one of the rare attempts of humor in sci skeptic krillean against kirilian get it btw i think youre a bit of base yourself since to my knowledge the electromagnetic field around a stone is rather abscent but still a stone has a nice aura on the kirilian photographs dont remember excactly but corona discharge i think is a more fitting expression than aura think youll find something on this in the skeptic faq cheers jostein cars importing volvo well im afraid the time has come my rice burner has finally died id always promised my wife that we would do a scandanavian tour when my car died and pick up a volvo in sweden drive it around and then import it home can anyone give me 1 advice on feasibility and relative costs 2 references where i might learn more 3 personal experience please email thanks religion re a kind and loving god in article sandvik 150493181533 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes in article 1993apr15 200231 10206 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote these laws written for the israelites gods chosen people whom god had expressly set apart from the rest of the world the israelites were a direct witness to gods existence to disobey god after knowing that god is real would be an outright denial of god and therefore immediately punishable remember these laws were written for a different time and applied only to gods chosen people but jesus has changed all of that we are living in the age of grace sin is no longer immediately punishable by death there is repentance and there is salvation through our lord jesus christ and not just for a few chosen people salvation is available to everyone jew and gentile alike jews wont agree with you malcolm cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net a lot of people wont agree with me thats their right and i respect that however to the point jews are also covered by the saving grace of jesus christ there are jews who have become christians this brings up another question i still have to ponder why is there so much anti semitism why do people hate jews i dont hate jews i consider them to be like anyone else sinners we all are windows wanted dialog box to select file s for dos apps im looking for a program that will let me use a windows common dialog box to select a file to use when running a dos app basically i have several dos apps that i use now and then with different files they all accept a file as a command line parameter but the only way at least that i know of to do this easily when running them from windows is to set up the pif file so that it prompts me for additional parameters at which point i type in the file name problems are 1 sometimes i cant remember where the file is exactly located and it would be nice to browse my directories for it without having to use the file manager and 2 im lazy and hate to type long pathnames for files burried several directory levels deep if anyone can point me to such a program or let me know of some other way to handle this id appreciate it thanks tim the net isnt organized enough to be considered an anarchy reczek autarch acsu buffalo edu baseball re jewish baseball players i believe that rusty staub was also a jewish ball player also mordaci brown back in the early 20th century he was a pitcher whose nickname was 3 fingers brown for obvious reasons he had 3 fingers guns re bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks in a previous article says freed om of religion has absolutely nothing to do with building a small arsenal and grooming 10 year old children to be your wife ill come out as soon as i finish my manuscript on the seven seals oh ok david interesting that janet reno has publically announced that we need steal ourselves for more wacos i wonder if i can get the gasoline concession i agree that koresh was as much of a victim as a perpetrator this because he grew up inside the cult and engaged in a power struggle where his supporters helped inflate his ego yup kill that bastard this was no move fuck up a helicoptor was thermal imaging the compound ah yes the illegal helicopter searchign for the non existent pcp lab i remember it well even if the media and yall tell me i dont call me winston that afternoon and detected three fires erupting almost simultaneously there were no cs canisters a specially modified abrams was pupming the ahhh yes the non existent canisters call me winston again stuff in no chance of starting a fire there kerosene lamps maybe one but not three fires no way koresh wasnt just talking out of his ass i expected this to happen i did too but for different reasons the fbi has a habit of burning up people in fortified areas maybe they wanted it to look like murder he had 50 days i think this was coming the whole time he didnt even put the children in the buried bus or the underground bunker during the cs seige he put them up into the tower to die fuck all of you big brother paranoid freaks the only good thing to come of any of this is that there will be one less group of crazoids to attract some of the more rootless members of our society yup good dead yeah maybe janet will do some more just like shes promis er warned us about like i told yall before i would seriously consider the following get your passport in order now consider overseas options for your savings cars re manual shift bigots in a previous article dwjz bnr ca doug zolmer says in article 1993apr21 100149 1501 rtsg mot com kissane black berkeley edu john g kissane writes as a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the us while here in europe they are rare just wondering in many of our cities there are traffic signals every 100 feet unsynchronised of course well here in ottawa anyway and the roads are so congested that shifting manually is a real pain in the left foot also most canadians are too stupid to learn how to shift manually gee i gotta co ordinate my two feet on the clutch brake and accelerator and i gotta steer shift and operate the signals optional and radio with my two hands duh it i agree wholeheartedly cant be done also most north american made cars come with the automatic as standard equipment so why bother with a manual when the car can shift for you for no addition money not sure about there in ca but here in us the manuals are quite often the standard equipment of course finding a car with one might be hard but if you read the sticker on the window there is usally an additional 2k or so tacked on for that lousy tranny so you actually are paying more just that its sometimes hard to find one that is equipped standard this applies to most cars but not to the luxoyachts eg caddilac licolns etc drew cars re viper in article c5jnha 8ib murdoch acc virginia edu rmt6r faraday clas virginia edu roy matthew thigpen writes last night i had a dream that my dad bought a viper i took it out for a test drive without his knowledge and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket wierd dream i wonder what it means you probably should told you dad to buy that car than your dream might come true cars re manual shift bigots in article 1993apr21 100149 1501 rtsg mot com kissane black john g kissane writes as a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the us while here in europe they are rare just wondering primarily milage gas is much more expensive so people are very concerned about it taking a few more liters per kilometer this along with narrow old cities also results in smaller cars with smaller engines these engines usually dont have the torque to mesh well with an automatic so having engines that dont work well with autos and a great concern for milage the usual euro car has a manual note that not many big benzes come with manuals if youve got the money for the car youve got the money for the gas and the engine to drive through the slushbox as automatics become more efficient the bigotry is probably reduced still everyone knows how to drive a manual and cars are cheaper with one and it saves a little expensive fuel so there arent compelling reasons to go automatic db cars are there any honda groups are there any honda groups out there especially ones that deal with preludes tom spencer cars market access in article 1993apr22 041452 27262 eecs nwu edu andrew eecs nwu edu andrew sung hyun kim writes what about the rice import issue of course it is not closed up like a shell but how open is it compared to to us japan is much more open than korea yes a pontiac grand am suffers a factor of 2 increase in price when it is exported to japan however a dodge vehicle the one that congressman gephardt mentioned suffers a factor of 4 increase in price when it is exported to korea a ford taurus suffers the same problem a honda accord costs i am not making this up 48 000 in korea just how many people would want to buy a honda accord for 48 000 solution all ships carrying korean made vehicles should be returned to seoul pronto until as such time as korea decides that it wants to abide by the rules of free and fair trade with the usa and japan sayoonara o o ooo u ooo jinsei no imi wa nan desu ka imi ga nai yo umarete kurou shite yatto shinde shimau semete shinde kara itsu made mo anshin dekiru kami sama ima irasshaimasen ka baseball re dave kingman for the hall of fame in article 1993apr15 093231 5148 news yale edu steve tomassi writes hi baseball fans so what do you say dont you think he deserves it i mean heck if dave winfield ho hum is seriously being considered for it as is lee smith ha then why dont we give dave kingman a chance or darrell evans yeah yeah after the hall of fame takes in them it can take in eddie murray and jeff reardon oh yeah dave winfield marginal player guy didnt hit a lick had negligible power was a crap fielder and had no staying power dave winfield now entering his i believe 20th big league season is still a damn decent hitter admittedly his defense has slipped a great deal but in his prime he had a powerful arm and great range take a look at the stats i dont know where you even begin to make an argument that winfield and kingman are similar players kingman was a one dimension power hitter he couldnt field he ran like an anvil hit for a low average though if i remember right his obp wasnt that hideous and for those who consider such things important was a absolute primo dick eddie murray yup only the best 1st baseman of the 80s i know that mvp votes are conducted by mediots but given that he got jobbed out of the mvp he deserved in 1983 it seems that he wasnt overrated by the media lee smith hmmmm this ones actually pretty close hes had a s solid dependable career as a closer despite pitching in some nasty parks wrigley fenway id have to take a closer look at the stats its been a while but it seems lee arthur is of hof caliber you do make a legitimate point about the hof credentials of relievers simply racking up a lot of saves doesnt mean a whole hell of a lot if you blow a bunch too simply because minnesota and boston and for a month atlanta used reardon as a closer for longer than he should have been one the equalizer has racked up an impressive number of saves no way should homerman be in the hof imho darrell evans nice career actually a bit underrated kinda like ted simmons imho but not a hofer well in any case i am sick and tired mostly sick of everybody giving hall of fame consideration to players that are by todays standards marginal lemme ask you this who the hell playing the game isnt marginal honestly ozzie smith and robin yount dont belong there theyre both shortstops that just hung around for a long time big deal lets be a little more selective huh stop handing out these honors so liberally save them for the guys who really deserve it face it if something now wait a goddamn minute here ozzie smith absolutely redefined the position of shortstop his defense was so good that hes won something along the lines of 10 gold gloves again gold gloves are mediot biased and a good argument could be made that larkin deserved one or two of ozzies more recent awards but usually this is tempered by someone else in the early 80s getting the gold gloves ozzie deserved earlier in his career ozzies offense you ask good obp great speed numbers in a park which for most of his career depressed offense admittedly no power cept against tom niedenfuer but still a definite asset offensively yount 3 000 hits mvp at two different positions uh huh a real stiff his 82 was one of the great years ever by a player in recent memory and probably ranks behind only the peak seasons of wagner and banks as far as ss numbers go hes a clear hofer imho isnt done there will be little prestige in the hall of fame anymore when certain individuals believe that steve garvey or jack morris are potential candidates the absurdity is apparent gee can these guys even compare to the more likely future hall of famers like kirby puckett or nolan ryan well as far as garvey goes youre right garvey is a mediot candidate pushed because of his winning attitude a minor factor if one at all and his great defense no errors admittedly but the range of a tree stump garvey shouldnt be in the hof skyjack ive said a lot of nasty things about skyjack in the last year or so but this is mostly in response to mediots and woofers who talk about morris ability to win which is nothing more than morris ability to pitch when toronto to score tons of runs at this point morris is an average pitcher although from his early returns in 93 he may be damned close to done but in all fairness morris was a dominant pitcher in the 80s for up and down tiger teams while 1984 was obviously a great year for detroit the rest of the decade the team was generally in contention but not favorites morris career numbers are quite good and worthy of hof consideration ryan of course but be careful i guarantee you that someone will throw back your earlier logic about yount and smith being shortstops who hung around a long time after all nolan never won a cy damn hes just pitcher who hung around for 99 years his w l record is mediocre of course nolans a hofer puck probably although hes got to play reasonably well for a few more years 10 years even good ones arent enough to make the hof most likely that said i believe puckett will make the hof pretty much regardless of how the rest of his career turns out barring something really tragic or sudden hes very popular in the media and with fans and legitimately has been one of the best cfs in the game since he joined the league ive always liked the guy and i hope he does make it and in the end i think the puck will make it in but really its too early to sell this debate comes up rather frequently on the net and believe it or not i never tire of it its an interesting subject heres an off the top of my head list of potential hofers from each team i probably left a couple of guys off so feel free to follow up i wont consider anyone who started playing after about 1985 again too early to tell note these are all active players im not counting recent retirees baltimore cal ripken should be a lock by now even if gehrigs record stands boston roger clemens might be a lock already which is amazing dawson detroit alan trammell and lou whitaker possibilities milwaukee robin yount discussed earlier new york wade boggs possibly mattingly long shot toronto paul molitor and jack morris possibilities kansas city george brett lock minnesota kirby too early to tell winfield lock oakland eckersley lock mcgwire too early rickey lock welch long shot texas the mighty nolan too early to consider canseco or strange cubs sandberg lock st louis ozzie lock lee smith probably new york murray almost a lock saberhagen obviously hes got to regain past form and most certainly not vince coleman despite what hell tell you los angeles butler strawberry and hershiser are all long shots san diego tony gwynn pretty good shot colorado dale murphy a good shot ryan bowen just to see if youre awake before i get flames this is an off the top of the head list theres probably a few deserving candidates that i left off and i didnt include barry bonds will clark any atlanta starting pitcher frank thomas canseco mcgriff etc because i only considered guys who started playing before 1985 e mail or post i almost fear what i may have started here bruce hasch hasch jhuvms hcf jhu edu sell the team eli if a hitter is a good fastball hitter does that mean i should throw him a bad fastball larry andersen guns re impeach clinton reno in a previous article gs26 prism gatech edu glenn r stone says fact both janet reno and bill clinton have admitted responsibility even grief over the deaths in waco fact regardless of who started the fire there are more than enough things on tape to make a civil rights case against these two cruel and unusual punishment dying tortured rabbits on tape come to mind fact it is a federal felony to infringe civil rights under color of law where death is involved this offense carries a penalty of life in prison fact impeachment is allowable for high crimes and misdemeanors anything thats a federal felony should qualify conclusion we have no choice if we are an honest people but to impeach mr clinton and remove reno from office i heartily agree now that the batf warrant has been unsealed it is clear that clinton and reno supported an illegal raid did they not know this no authority for a no knock raid no authority to use helicopters no authority to search for a drug lab and apparently not even any authority to search for automatic weapons 51 days of government lies cars re warning please read neilson seoul mpr ca robert neilson writes sorry for the 0 auto content but that is why low abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselve and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is imminent steve heracleous you do have the power steve you can do it why dont you why dont you go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars make sure you do a good job though dont miss cause like they have big rocks and take it from me those kids are mean ditto i you dont do it yourself nobody will unless i am behind you so both of us can shoot them bastards medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1993apr22 153000 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes poster for being treated by a liscenced physician for a disease that did not exist calling this physician a quack was reprehensible steve and i see that you and some of the others are doing it here as well do you believe that any quacks exist how about quack diagnoses is being a licensed physician enough to guarantee that someone is not a quack or is it just that even if a licensed physician is a quack other people shouldnt say so can you give an example of a commonly diagnosed ailment that you think is a quack diagnosis or have we gotten to the point in civilization where we no longer need to worry about unscrupulous healers taking advantage of people david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu medicine re barbecued foods and health risk in article c5sqv8 edb acsu buffalo edu sfegus ubvm cc buffalo edu writes in article 79857 cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes no there is something called the delany amendment which makes carcinogenic food additives illegal in any amount this was passed by congress in the i think what we have to keep in mind is that even though it may be illegal to commercially produce sell food with carcinogenic substances it is not illegal for people to do such to their own food smoking etc is this true whoa what did you say your name was address ssn smoking foods eh i think the govt would like to know about this brian baseball re is western insane in article 93108 1841463321628 qucdn queensu ca 3321628 qucdn queensu ca writes why are we continuously putting down other universities queens is not as great as is makes itself out to be this place has only got a good rep because its been here so long if someone would take the time to look around and see how dissatisfied people are with the disorganization and the constant misuse of the bell curve they could see that queens needs some major improvements i would personally start with hiring professors who can actually teach not people who are here with the attitude that this place would be okay if it wasnt for all the students running around when did george bell ex blue jay learn to throw a curve baseball re yankee bullpen help alan sepinwall writes bullpen blues deleted whats buck gonna do and whats george gonna do if this continues to happen alan george will do the only logical thing he can do when the yanks bullpen isnt performing fire the manager david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions 1993 its on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the 411 medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr19 205615 1013 unlv edu todamhyp charles unlv edu brian m huey writes in article 1993apr19 205615 1013 unlv edu todamhyp charles unlv edu brian m huey writes i think thats the correct spelling the proper spelling is kirlian it was an effect discoverd by s kirlian a soviet film developer in 1939 as i recall the coronas visible are ascribed to static discharges and chemical reactions between the organic material and the silver halides in the films tarl neustaedter stratus computer tarl sw stratus com marlboro mass disclaimer my employer is not responsible for my opinions i think thats the correct spelling i am looking for any information supplies that will allow do it yourselfers to take krillean pictures im thinking that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for sale but i dont know any of the companies any info is greatly appreciated in case you dont know krillean photography to the best of my knowledge involves taking pictures of an most of the time organic object between charged plates the picture will show energy patterns or spikes around the object photographed and depending on what type of object it is the spikes or energy patterns will vary one might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within the universe as we know it has its own energy signature to construct a kirlian device find a copy of handbook of psychic discoveries by sheila ostrander and lynn schroeder 1975 library of congress 73 88532 it describes the necessary equipment and suppliers for the tesla coil or alternatives the copper plate and setup i used a pack of sx 70 film and removed a single pack in a dark room then made the exposure put it back in the film pack and ran it out through the rollers of the camera forinstant developing and very high quality it is a good way to experience what kirlian photography is really and what it is not as you know all ready it is the pattern in the bioplasmic energy fieldthat is significant variations caused by exposure time distance from the plate or pressure on the plate or variations in the photo materials are not important hard copy mail mark c high p o box 882 parowan ut 84761 religion re merlin mithras and magick kosinski us oracle com kevin osinski writes i recall reading in michael rutherfords novel sarum a scene in which the son of a roman nobleman living in britain takes part in a secret ceremony involving a bull he stands naked in a pit covered with some sort of scaffolding while assistants coax a bull to stand on the scaffolding they then fatally stab the bull which douses the worshipper in the pit with blood this is supposedly some sort of rite of passage for members of the bull cult i wonder if this is related to the mithras cult yes this is certainly one of the traditional ideas about the mithraic cult although not the only one it had many elements that seem to have been borrowed by catholicism e g the mass communion the sharing of a sacred meal consecration of bread and wine etc for quite an amusing novel that uses this same idea check out the covenant of the flame by david morrell it has some quite interesting occult bits and lots of killing i wont spoil it by revealing the ending but i will say that it is relevant to mithraism paul actrix co at paul gillingwater home office in vienna austria if you read news with rn or trn ask me about eep the newsrc editor cars re changing oil by self in article 93111 12475032hnbak cmuvm csv cmich edu john foster 32hnbak cmuvm csv cmich edu writes date wednesday 21 apr 1993 12 47 50 edt from john foster 32hnbak cmuvm csv cmich edu subject re changing oil by self from drew kinglear cs colorado edu drew eckhardt in article pod 734834505 sour sw oz au pod sour sw oz au paul odonnell wri in 1qgi8einnhs5 skeena ucs ubc ca yiklam unixg ubc ca yik chong lam writes hello i find this method much better myself too although i do really hate it when the bolt finally comes loose and the wrench and my hand both come crashing into my face after coming to which is about 15 minutes later i change my clothes because by this time all the oil has drained on me and ice my entire face and suck down about 20 tylenol to ease the pain later in the day i then proceed with refilling the engine oil its just crazy how i try and change the oil on my cars in one weekend i go through about 3 bottles of tylenol and 2 bags of ice john not everyone should be trusted with tools ron stafford texas instruments incorporated 214 917 2050 p o box 655012 ms 3620 stafford lobby ti com dallas texas 75265 3620 windows re copy move files in file manager in article c58tsf 5ye murdoch acc virginia edu rsc3e orion lib virginia edu scott crittenden writes my understanding is that to copy files from one directory to another on the same drive in file manager using a mouse you hold down the ctrl key while dragging the file from one directorys window to the other this works for me about 98 of the time the other 2 the file gets moved rather than copied anybody else encountered this i tried to respond by email but all attempts bounced the condition of the ctrl key before you press the mouse button makes no difference whatsoever you have to be holding the ctrl key when you release the mouse button if you want to force a copy operation heres a simple experiment select a file and begin to drag it no ctrl key notice that the files icon disappears from the listing window now watch what happens to that icon as you press and release the ctrl key keeping the mouse button pressed all the while in addition the icon that you are dragging will show a while you are holding the ctrl key indicating that the file is being copied rather than moved bob nichols at t bell laboratories rnichols ihlpm ih att com windows ati graphics ultra pro problem i have the following problem on a dell 450se with the ati graphics ultra pro eisa when i start windows the first 5 times i try to run an application it does not start windows will show the following error message error executing application there is not enough memory to run the application after the first 5 tries the application i want to run will start and afterwards there are no more problems when i change the video driver from mach 32 to 8514 a this problem does not occur so i suspect the ati drivers i tried both the build 55 and build 59 driver does anyone have a clue p r van harten philips research laboratories tel 31 40 742209 prof holstlaan 4 fax 31 40 744810 5656 aa eindhoven email vharten prl philips nl the netherlands baseball with a surge in the last two weeks ladies and gentlemen boys and girls lend me your ears for but a moment the national legue eastern division champions will be the philadelphia phillies i one hundred and ten percent guarantee chamberlain hollins dykstra incaviglia jackson williams daulton greene kruk mulholland rivera thompson duncan watch us soar in 1993 cars re integra gsr really about other cars in article 1993apr5 212645 15988 nntpd lkg dec com kenyon xqzmoi enet dec com doug kenyon stardog champion writes its great that all these other cars can out handle out corner and out accelerate an integra but youve got to ask yourself one question do all these other cars have a moonroof with a sliding sunshade no wimpy pop up sunroofs or power sliding roofs that are opaque a moonroof that can be opened to the air closed to let just light in or shaded so that nothing comes in youve just got to know whats important doug 93 integra gs hahaha my sentiments exactly guns re guns gone good riddance in article 1993apr18 000152 2339 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes you are loosing whats loosing of those who vote your cause is considered an abomination no matter how hard you try public opinion is set against the rkba i vote i dont consider rkba an abomination this is the end by the finish of the clinton administration your rkba will be null and void tough titty im sure sarah brady would be delighted to hear your ranting and raving however clinton has not publically stated that he would like to repeal the second amendment tough titty to you you had better discover ways to make do without firearms the number of cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause there is nothing you can do about it those who live by the sword shall die by it are we going to make do without like the people in new york city you know new york city that gun ban utopia you dream about with the millions of unregistered handguns new york city by the way has a very high crime rate perhaps you should know about a gungrabbers nightmare idaho here in idaho the police give concealed carry permits to anyone over 21 without a criminal record there are no gungrabber schemes such as foids waiting periods gun a month or ltcs and horror of horrors you dont even need a permit to carry a concealed weapon while outside of city limits although you do need a permit for concealed carry in an automobile i feel a hell of a lot safer in boise than i would in your gun ban dream state e g washington d c the press is against you the public the voting public is against you the flow of history is against you this is it the voting public in idaho is staunchly pro gun both senators are nra endorsed a rated buy a clue pal surrender your arms soon enough officers will be around to collect them resistance is useless they will overwhelm you one at a time your neighbors will not help you they will consider you more if an immediate threat than the abstract criminal get out your wallet and buy another clue there are millions upon millions of pre 1968 i e non 4473ed firearms out there they have a half life approaching eternity and cosmoline is not exactly tracked by the feds too fucking bad you have gone the way of the kkk violent solutions are passe avoid situations which encourage criminals then you will be as safe as possible such as it is gun control laws were passed to protect the kkk from blacks drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho when you outlaw rights only outlaws will have rights spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrection nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia mi5 mi6 kgb deuterium guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes i will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors but here goes monday 19 april 1993 13 30 edt murder most foul cnn is reporting as i write this that the atf has ignited all i watched the cnn report and i never heard them report that the atf started the fire they did speculate that the type of cs gas might have accidentaly started the fire the buildings of the branch dividian ranch near waco tx the lies from atf say holes were made in the walls and non lethal tear gas pumped in a few minutes after this started the whole thing went up from my understanding of the cnn report it was 6 hours after they started all buildings are aflame no one has escaped i think it obvious that the atf used armored flame thrower vehicles to pump in unlit the track vehicle that i saw in the vicinity of the building where fire was first noticed looked more like an armored recovery vehicle the type used to tow tanks of battle fields and not an armored flame thrower vehicle napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas it seems to me that it would be very poor planing to hope for a wood stove to ignite the napalm when the stove would probably not be in use and i doubt that it would have taken 6 hours to ignite it this is murder atf murderers butchers this is genocidal mass slaughter of innocent people including children i have predicted this from the start but god it sickens me to see it happen i had hoped i was wrong i had hoped that there was still some shred of the america i grew up with and loved left alive i was wrong the nazis have won right clinton is in office sorry i couldnt resist please no flames i repeat as of this time there are no survivors god help us all please crosspost dont let them get away with the slaughter of the children w k gorman an american in tears in short mr gorman i am assuming mr as a title because i dont think a woman would be stupid enough to make this post i dont know what episode of cnn you were watching but it obviously was not the same one that i was watching or your tears seamed to have blured your hearing along with your eye sight please excuse any mispelled words as i am a product of the arkansas education system which slick willie of the double bubba ticket has so greately improved during his tenour as governer of my great state taking it from 49th in the nation in 1980 and allowing it to drop to 51st how i dont know and bringing it to 44st and back to either 48th or 49th in 1990 sorry i cant rember the source of these numbers but they can be found michael f rhein cars re service indicator of a bmw thanks for all the recommendations i have decide to ignore the service indicators and do oil change myself every 3000 miles thanks again for all the responses derek religion see was re apology to jim meritt was silence is concurance in article 9473 blue cis pitt edu joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin writes m23364 mwunix mitre org james meritt writes so stop dodging the question what is hypocritical about my criticizing bad arguments given that i do this both when i agree with the conclusion and when i disagree with the conclusion you are the one who has claimed to possess the fruits of precognition telepathy and telempathy divine it yourself another dodge oh well im no match for your amazing repertoire of red herrings and smoke screens you asked for an apology im not going to apologize for pointing out that your straw man argument was a straw man argument nor for saying that your list of bible contradictions shows such low standards of scholarship that it should be an embarrassment to anti inerrantists just as josh mcdowell should be an embarrassment to the fundies nor for objecting various times to your taking quotes out of context nor for pointing out that they do it too is not an excuse nor for calling your red herrings and smoke screens what they are how about the following inaccurate unsubstantiated accusations in 8257 blue cis pitt edu jim has been threatening but no threat produced once he realized that display of telepathy threatening to quote me in spite of no threat produced nor forecast ever happening precognition responding jims threat to quote me in spite of claimed threat never being given jim preparing to in spite of it never happening telepathy or precognition jim again still mystified unsubstantiated and untrue more telepathy or maybe telempathy jim still scandalized unsubstantiated again seems to be a habit having more trouble with reality it appears why get bothered with the facts when you appear to have the products of paranatural divination methods yawn medicine quality management medicine re strain gage applications in vivo in article 1993apr28 173600 21703 organpipe uug arizona edu ame 0123 bigdog engr arizona edu terrance j dishongh writes greeting i am starting work on a project where i am trying to make strain gages bond to bone in vivo or a period of several months i am currently using hydroxyapaptite back gages and i have tried m bonding the gages to the bone apart from those two application methods there doesnt seem to be much else in the literature i have only an engineering background not medical or biological i would be interest in any ideas about how to stimulte bone growth on the surface of cortical bone thanks for oyur help in advance terrance j dishongh ame 0123 bigdog engr arizona edu it sounds as though you might want to try a product such as super glue the active ingredient is cynoacrylate the same compound used to reconstruct bones i have successfully used superglue for a number of procedures on many different species of animal if you are simply trying to adhear something to bone for several months this would be ideal it bonds almost immediatly is resistant to infection and is non irritating to surrounding tissue phil bowman manager lab animal resources university of montana missoula mt 59812 larpjb selway umt edu wg phil bowman manager laboratory animal resources guns need info on waco machineguns a really sad op ed appeared in my schools newpaper today it claimed that full auto weapons are illegal in the u s i understand that full auto weapons made and registered before may 19 1986 are still legal in 40 of the 50 states is texas one of those states can anyone point me to a source for info on how many people have been killed by legal full auto weapons in the u s and finally i think it would be great if anyone was keeping a digest of facts on the waco incident in particular i would like a source for the fbi batf mentioning the supposed methamphetamine lab and information on the beginning of the raid specifically batf lies i am also interested in past batf no knock warrents which have lead to personal and property damage against innocent citizens i intend to put together a reply to this op ed very soon the author of the piece states he wants to work for the batf gack thomas medicine re arrhythmia in article 1993apr22 205509 23198 husc3 harvard edu perry1 husc10 harvard edu alexis perry writes in article 1993apr22 031423 1 vaxc stevens tech edu u96 averba vaxc stevens tech edu writes doctors said that he could die from it and the medication caused is it that serious my ekg often comes back with a few irregular beats another question is a low blood potassium level very bad my doctor seems concerned but she tends to worry too much in general the term arrhythmia is usually used to encompass a wide range of abnormal heart rhythms cardiac dysrhythmias some of them are very serious while others are completely benign having a few irregular beats on an ekg could be serious depending on what those beats were and when they occurred or could be of no significance low blood potassium levels probably predispose people with underlying heart disease to develop arrhythmias very low potassium levels are clearly dangerous but it is not clear how much of a problem low end of normal levels are a lot of cardiologists seem to treat anyone with even a mildly low normal potassium level david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu cars re sho and sc in article c5l8re 28 constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes why anyone would order an sho with an automatic transmission is beyond me if you cant handle a stick you should stick with a regular taurus and leave the sho to real drivers that is not to say that there arent real drivers who cant use the stick eg disabled persons but they arent in any position to use an sho anyway actually disabled persons have been known to drive in scca races id be careful about making sweeping generalizations here id prefer a manual transmission but the early sho had an awful transmission that felt like it came out of a truck or something it was almost enough to make me want an automatic teddy medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr17 184435 19725 cunews carleton ca wcsbeau alfred carleton ca opirg writes many people responded with more anecdotal stories i think its safe to say the original poster is already familiar with such stories presumably he wants hard info to substantiate or refute claims about msg making people ill there has been no hard info provided about msg making people ill thats the point after all like youself someone who can read a scientific paper and apparently come away from it with bizarrely cracked ideas which have nothing to do with the use of this substance in human nutrition have you read olneys work i fail to see how citing results from peer reviewed studies qualifies as bizarrely cracked thats because these peer reviewed studies are not addressing the effects of msg in people theyre looking at animal models you cant walk away from this and start ranting about gloom and doom as if there were any documented deleterious health effects demonstrated in humans note that i wouldnt have any argument with a statement like noting that animal administration has pro duced the following blah blah we must be careful about its use in humans this is precisely not what you said tests have been done on rhesus monkeys as well i have never seen a study where the mode of administration was intra ventricular the glu and asp were administered orally some studies used iv and sc intra ventricular is not a normal admin method for food tox studies for obvious reasons you must not have read the peer reviewed works that i referred to or you would never have come up with this brain injection bunk it most certainly is for neurotoxicology you know studies of glutamate involve more than food science pardon me but where are you getting this from have you read the journals have you done a thorough literature search so point us to the studies in humans please im familiar with the literature and ive never seen any which relate at all to olneys work in animals and the effects of glutamate on neurons the point is exceeding the window of course theyre amino acids note that people with pku cannot tolerate any phenylalanine well actually they have to tolerate some phenylalanine its a essential amino acid they just try to get as little as is healthy without producing dangerous levels of phenylalanine and its metabolites in the blood olneys research compared infant human diets specifically the amount of freely available glu in mothers milk versus commercial baby foods vs typical lunch items from the standard american diet such as packaged soup mixes he found that one could exceed the projected safety margin for infant humans by at least four fold in a single meal of processed foods mothers milk was well below the effective dose goodness im not saying that its good to feed infants a lot of glutamate supplemented foods its just that this projected safety margin is a construct derived from animal models and given that you can prove anything you like were talking prudent policy in infant nutrition here yet youre misrepresenting it as received wisdom read olneys review paper in prog brain res 1988 and check his sources they are impecable there is no dispute impeccable there most certainly is a dispute between who over what i would be most interested in seeing you provide peer reviewed non food industry funded citations to articles disputing that msg has no effects whatsoever you mean asserting youre being intellectually dishonest or just plain confused because youre conflating reports which do not necessarily have anything to do with each other olneys reports would argue a potential for problems in human infants but thats not to say that this says anything whatsoever about the use of msg in most foods nor does he provide any studies in humans which indicate any deleterious effects for obvious reasons it says nothing about msgs contribtion to the phenomenon of the chinese restaurant syndrome it says nothing about the frequent inability to replicate anecdotal reports of msg sensitivity in the lab dyer ursa major spdcc com hmm com why am i not surprised dianne murray wcsbeau ccs carleton ca probably one of the dumber remarks youve made steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer religion bhagavad gita 2 45 text 45 trai gunya visaya veda nistrai gunyo bhavarjuna nirdvandvo nitya sattva stho niryoga ksema atmavan trai gunya pertaining to the three modes of material nature visayah on the subject matter vedah vedic literatures nistrai gunyah transcendental to the three modes of material nature bhava be arjuna o arjuna nirdvandvah without duality nitya sattva sthah in a pure state of spiritual existence niryoga ksemah free from ideas of gain and protection atma van established in the self translation the vedas deal mainly with the subject of the three modes of material nature o arjuna become transcendental to these three modes be free from all dualities and from all anxieties for gain and safety and be established in the self purport all material activities involve actions and reactions in the three modes of material nature they are meant for fruitive results which cause bondage in the material world the vedas deal mostly with fruitive activities to gradually elevate the general public from the field of sense gratification to a position on the transcendental plane arjuna as a student and friend of lord krsna is advised to raise himself to the transcendental position of vedanta philosophy where in the beginning there is brahma jijnasa or questions on the supreme transcendence all the living entities who are in the material world are struggling very hard for existence for them the lord after creation of the material world gave the vedic wisdom advising how to live and get rid of the material entanglement when the activities for sense gratification namely the karma kanda chapter are finished then the chance for spiritual realization is offered in the form of the upanisads which are part of different vedas as the bhagavad gita is a part of the fifth veda namely the mahabharata the upanisads mark the beginning of transcendental life as long as the material body exists there are actions and reactions in the material modes one has to learn tolerance in the face of dualities such as happiness and distress or cold and warmth and by tolerating such dualities become free from anxieties regarding gain and loss this transcendental position is achieved in full krsna consciousness when one is fully dependent on the good will of krsna bhagavad gita as it is books of a c bhaktivedanta swami dont forget to chant hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare kalkis infoline bbs aiken south carolina usa system kalki33 lakes trenton sc us medicine oxaprozin anyone have any information on the effects origin of oxaprozin its marketed under the name daypro and appears to be an anti inflammatory is it similar to naproxin stronger tia gms cars re pennsylvania insurance limited tort option in article 34666 oasys dt navy mil glouie oasys dt navy mil george louie writes coverage this also applies to my existing car insurance policy does anyone understand what the limited tort option means will it lower my rates if i opt to have it or will it be more expensive if i opt to have it what does it do for me in laymans terms please is it a good deal or should i ignore it im not the type to sue anyone at a drop of the hat nor am i the type to report every little ding to limited tort option will lower your rates if you choose it you cant sue others for pain suffering but you still can sue for economic loss so you can sue for your wrecked car and for medical bills but you cant sue for 1000000 for pain and suffering at least thats how i understand it michal medicine how to interview a doctor my insurance company encourages annual physicals and at my age 42 im thinking that biannual physicals at least might be a good idea therefore im shopping for a gp might as well get a good one could the assembled net wisdom suggest things i should look for or point me to the faq archive if on this topic if there is one please email i suspect that this topic is real net clutter bait dk medicine endometriosis can anyone give me more information regarding endometriosis i heard its a very common disease among women and if anyone can provide names of a specialist surgeon in the north carolina research triangle park area raleigh durham chapel hill who is familiar with the condition i would really appreciate it thanks naomi naomi l t courter network services specialist mcnc center for communications concert network baseball re jewish broadcasters was jewish baseball players in 1993apr20 164053 4731 galileo cc rochester edu kahn troi cc rochester edu writes lets not forget al michaels of do you believe in miracles fame jim of course you cant forget mel allen michael baseball rbi risp and slg off and on over the last several months threads about rbis and related topics have gotten me to thinking about how well we can predict a players rbis using information about his overall performance and the number of runners in scoring position risp that he bats with in the brock2 model bill james calculated predicted rbis as rbi 235 total bases home runs this completely ignores the context which was all that brock2 could do since context was unknown to it so i thought id take that idea as a starting point and look how good a fit to the data you get by comparing rbi home runs to slg risp ive started with team data using data from the eliass that ive picked up over the years when a i could afford them and b i could stomach the thought of increasing eliass profits that gave me the years 1984 1986 1988 and 1990 i dont have team rbis for 87 or i could add that year if you run a simple least squares fit to the data you get rbi home runs 0 81 slg risp the correlation between the lhs and the rhs is 0 86 which is significant at a ridiculously high level so i feel like the fit is good at the team level ive no started to move on to the player level and have looked at 4 players will clark ozzie smith joe carter and don mattingly i hope to add quite a few more during my copious free time this year it doesnt do too badly except the equation underpredicts the low hr hitter smith which may be a fault of the model or it could just be ozzie the results rbi hr years actual predicted carter 84 88 90 400 402 6 clark 87 88 90 92 269 269 6 mattly 84 88 90 471 460 8 smith 84 88 90 317 280 6 i think we can make a case and i hope to make it stronger that rbis can be predicted simply from knowing how a player slugs overall and how many men are in scoring position when he comes up more later harold harold brooks hbrooks uiatma atmos uiuc edu national severe storms laboratory norman ok i used to work for a brewery too but i didnt drink on the job p bavasi on dal maxvills view that florida can win the nl east in 93 baseball mvp 92 revisited tim shippert recently posted summaries of last years defensive average stats in terms of the linear weights estimated run value of defensive performances compared to league average ive combined those with my position adjusted mlv numbers to come up with first approximation total run values for players last year we can use these as a springboard for reconsideration of the mvp award major caveats these numbers include no defensive park adjustment so if san diego really is just a question of odd scoring or gopher holes in the infield that will cause some inaccuracies the offensive numbers are position adjusted but not park adjusted so we have to deflate some and inflate others to be fair finally we still dont know what to do about catchers and i have no idea how to evaluate the defensive contributions of tony phillips and bip roberts having said that there are still some surprises lets look national league first all numbers in total runs contributed over the season player offense defense total sandberg 44 32 76 bonds 67 3 70 walker 26 26 52 justice 14 33 47 daulton 44 44 larkin 36 4 40 grace 13 27 40 as i see it these are the legitimate mvp candidates from last season if you deflate sandbergs offense a wee bit for playing in wrigley you get essentially a dead heat had bonds been his usual defensive self it wouldnt have been close but that apparently wasnt the case darren daulton needs 22 or more defensive runs to make up the offensive difference and i couldnt tell you whether thats easy or impossible a good case could be made for any of sandberg bonds or daulton as top dude my personal vote bonds sandberg daulton walker justice in the american league player offense defense total ventura 22 34 56 martinez 47 1 46 b anderson 21 25 46 thomas 47 5 42 r henderson 25 16 41 raines 17 23 40 tettleton 33 33 ok lets see a show of hands how many of you picked robin ventura as top player in the al last year i certainly didnt but id have a hard time arguing against him at this point yes i know these numbers are only approximate but thats a big gap between him and the 2 guy also those of you who thought rickey henderson stank last year are out of your minds once again theres a catcher in the ointment if calling a game is as important as it might be 23 runs is easy to make up or give away take a guess folks i dont think we can do any better than that my personal vote excluding pitchers ventura tettleton anderson martinez henderson im a big frank thomas fan but i have to admit to a bias in favor of balanced offensive defensive contribution which should have a higher leverage in w l record than an equal shift that is lots of offense with negative defense for the record carlos baerga 27 5 32 roberto alomar 35 2 33 forget it its a wash let me also take this opportunity to admit that i was grossly wrong regarding don mattinglys defense this past season don recovered brilliantly from his weak 90 and 91 to end up with mattingly 1 17 16 runs which is clearly an above average first baseman however its still 18 runs behind mark mcgwire 26 runs behind frank thomas and 7 runs behind john olerud on the other hand its ahead of rafael palmeiro cecil fielder and every other al first baseman not yet mentioned david m tate dtate pitt edu greetings sir with bat not quick member iie orsa tims sabr hands not soft eye not discerning and in denver they call you a slugger the big catullus galarraga and compare you to my own mattingly guns re bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks in article 1993apr23 151855 7011 starbase trincoll edu writes go to hell im no government following fanatic your sweeping generalizations evince your own ignorance what were they supposed to do just let him be youre sitting in your home reading a good book your neighbors think youre a quiet upstanding citizen a random person anonymously calls the authorities and tells them you beat your children sleep with all the neighbor wimmen and own a bunch of nasty 50mm machine guns now what are they supposed to do fuck him fuck the atf too they shouldve done it right the first time ah i see theyre supposed to send 100 men in horse trailers with automatic weapons storm onto your roof and throw grenades at your house with no warning then after subjecting you to noise torture and telling the national news media for a month what a filthy son of a bitch you are theyre supposed to gas you and knock your house around a bit until they manage to collapse it cause a fire or something equally conclusive hope your neighbors dont tumble to this at least none of them that might have a craving for a ringside seat at some cheap but dramatic local entertainment at someone elses expense or maybe even particularly at your expense at least they wont have to read you your rights joe obviously you had no use for them anyway joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet guns re bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks in article 1993apr23 151855 7011 starbase trincoll edu writes in article 1r6p8oinn8hi clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras wrote i have not made up my mind about waco but there sure seems to be a group of devoted government following fanatics willing to believe whatever that government wants to tell them without any shred of doubt nor thought of thier own they sure get shrill whenever their belief structure is being shaken kinda reminds you of the bds doesnt it jim go to hell im no government following fanatic your sweeping generalizations evince your own ignorance eloquently if somewhat shrilly put what were they supposed to do just let him be well why not fuck him fuck the atf too they shouldve done it right the first time you have a way with words and you sure get shrill on cue joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in 1993apr15 040118 29272 slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com dan day writes in article c5hhgm 1rm constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article 1993apr13 215605 26252 slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com dan day writes how about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the trunk or side or both sides of some tacky luxury cars some of em arent fake if youre talking about the continental kit named after the lincoln continental the first car to sport one i personally would love to have a 56 t bird with a continental kit and the supercharged v 8 that is one of the most beautiful cars ever built imho id go for a 39 lincoln continental if i could find one sad part is that edsel ford designed it and look at the abortion they named after him aint no justice okay ill admit it looks nice on the t bird as a previous owner of 1967 and 1968 thunderbirds im biased anyway cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article 1993apr23 172824 17128 telxon mis telxon com joes telxon mis telxon com joe staudt writes newsgroups rec autos path eclipse yktnews watson ibm com newsgate watson ibm com news ans net howland reston ans net newsserver jvnc net louie udel news intercon com psinntp telxon mis telxon com joes from joes telxon mis telxon com joe staudt organization telxon corporation references apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu 1993apr23 132214 6755 cs tulane edu 1r8ufk fr7 usenet ins cwru edu date fri 23 apr 1993 17 28 24 gmt lines 30 in article 1r8ufk fr7 usenet ins cwru edu aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer writes in a previous article finnegan nrlssc navy mil says in article apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu eliot writes the subarus all use 180 degree vees in their engines eliot wouldnt that make them an i4 or would they really be an 4 henceforth referred to as underscore 4 i think that it is technicaly known as a 180 degree vee configuration could be wrong this is how ive seen them referred to drew ive always heard them referred to horizontally opposed joe kinda dull ive always liked boxer subarus can use this as does porche 911 and bmw twins thats a motorcycle for you with 2 too many wheels jeff goss cars re nissan nomenclature was re manual shift bigots wanted in rec autos grahamt phantom gatech edu graham e thomas writes what we currently know as the 240sx is known elsewhere as a 200sx graham e thomas blah blah blah blah blah this is kind of interesting i always assumed that the 240sx was named because of the 2 4 liter engine which it uses likewise for the 200sx which uses a 2 0 liter engine isnt this true george windows re re re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 9may93 20570058 vax clarku edu rmohns vax clarku edu writes and i would hardly call a command that can delete a tree and a move command as a state of the art wiz bang feature they are damn necessary i have often cursed not being able to have some kind of recursive delete you are missing something with the windows file manager you can ms but i dont want to have to run blasted windows every time i want to delete a tree it is absolutely ludicrous to load a hog like that just to delete some files it would be like requiring a crane to change the tyre on a car wants people to buy windows not dos ms knows dos wont last forever only because its crap which is noones fault but their own they want you to move to windows 3 1 then later to win32 and eventually to cairo this way they give you a reason to by deliberately crippling the product surely no oh hold on i guess youre right that certainly stinks of microsoft marketing techniques but the point still remains that a command to delete trees is not new technology and is the kind of thing one would have expected to see long before windows was even dreamt of want good file handling use fileman exe this product requires microsoft windows dos is dead well amen to that but i wish it were a damn sight deader for a dead product its used an awful lot and i suspect its going to carry on twitching for a long while yet which isnt doing anyone any good and microsoft dont appear to have given up marketing dos so it is a very unusual form of death indeed tim walls sysop protocol bbs data fax 44 0 403 272931 fidonet 2 253 513 amiganet 39 133 1 twalls ncc1701d demon co uk pgp 2 2 public key available guns re my gun is like my american express card what seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of proportion in my post i was referring to your regular patrolman in a car cruising around the city vs gang members of course the police have access to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the time of course they dont and thats the point i was trying to make every day when i go out to lunch i always see cops coming in the majority that i see are still carrying revolvers not that there is anything wrong with a revolver but if youre a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple of automatics in his coat i mean semi auto handguns youre going to be at a disadvantage even with training i have been at a shooting range where gang gang members were practicing shooting they were actually practicing taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target and they werent doing too badly either the university cops here who are are state cops are armed better than the chicago police it seems most state cops are i dont know where you are originally from david but you live in tennesse and i live in chicago and see this crap everyday on the news and in the papers i think the situation is just a tad different here than there however dont forget that the police in chicago can carry just about anything they want except for the glock which is not approved for carry guess they figure all cops are like the police chief of winnetka who happened to let off a stray round of 9mm this is the same anti gun police chief that wanted full auto uzis for his patrol cars perhaps in the judgement of the majority of chicagos finest a close to 100 reliable weapon like a revolver is preferable to a 99 99 reliable automatic i note that in germany where certainly the 9mm semi auto handgun is king some of the more elite police types want revolvers i dont think the issue is cost because chicago police certainly make on the order of at least 40k year your presumption of disadvantage i think is not borne out by the experiences of new york citys cops there the cops usually come out on top with their standard 38 spl revolvers ive seen s ws rugers and beretta 9mms in addition to the revolvers carried by chicago cops in the past ive seen 45 m1911s others have seen browning hi powers jason cars re replacement custom seats where to get in article c63uqs h46 usenet ucs indiana edu tom wetzel twetzel ucs indiana edu writes in article 1993apr26 154428 17764 colorado edu jerry bowman bowmanj csn org writes what car are we talking about if its camaro chevelle gto nova etc there are a bunch of places to get them a 68 corvette but i dont want to put corvette seats in it the original seats are in exc shape but they are uncomfortable as hell im going to store those and find a set to drive in i have all the vette catalogs but im looking for a more generic type seat i can modify the brackets but cushion height and overall width are a concern ive looked through some local boneyards without success i would just like to find a pair of cheapos to use this summer tom call around to some wrecking yards in your area and if they have any look at fiero seats they are right down on the floor like a vette and not too wide if you cant find any let me know and ill call around here for you im sure these yards ship stuff all the time cars re warning please read in article c5jgc4 ajj dove nist gov keys starchild ncsl nist gov lawrence b keys writes this isnt anything new back in 1985 i was driving under a high overpass at night on i 805 in san diego when i caught a glimpse of someone on the overpass as i passed under a rock slammed against the metal between the winshield and right front window my girlfriend was in the seat next to it i called the police from the next exit but i doubt if they were found about five years ago in san diego someone was put into a coma from a brick being thrown through his sunroof as he was driving and subsequently crashed i dont think he ever came out of the coma and i havent heard anything about it for a couple years i know that this isnt the group for it but since you brought it up does anyone have any idea why they havent bombed the waco cult probably because there are many children there also the minor fact that other than defending themselves from 100 some people attacking them they havent threatened or attacked anyone outside the compound in years being a promiscuous religious nut does not constitute grounds for a mass murder of koresh and his followers sorry for posting this to this group but i thought the previous post needed a rebuttal if you follow up to this portion please cross post and direct follow ups to a more appropriate newsgroup boyd johnson nosc spectra com johnson san diego california intermittent newsfeed at best and only to selected groups my opinions certainly dont match those of my employer guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news in article c518b1 amf magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes last year the us suffered almost 10 000 wrongful or accidental deaths by handguns alone fbi statistics in the same year the uk suffered 35 such deaths scotland yard statistics the population of the uk is about 1 5 that of the us 10 000 35 5 weighted for population the us has 57x as many handgun related deaths as the uk and no the brits dont make up for this by murdering 57x as many people with baseball bats if you examine the figures they do stabbing is favourite closely followed by striking punching kicking many more people are burnt to death in britain as are shot to death take at look and youll see for yourself it means that very few people are shot to death in great britain and im sure that is a great comfort to the widows and children of those stabbed beaten and burned to death the real question is did the crime rate in england go down after they enacted gun control laws if you look at the rates before and after their first such law in 1920 you will see no effect frank crary cu boulder guns re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm 0 90 2 734911642 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes if i would like to have a handgun i would have to get an gun licence from the police and to be a member of a gun club the police would check my criminal records for any serious crimes and or records of serious mental diseases now if a got my licence i would have to be an active member of the gun club for 6 months before i could collect my gun so like what do you do during those six months to be active my town has a similar requirement and its rather stupid before you can buy a handgun you have to be an active member of a gun club well how active can you be without a gun chief most gun owners feel a check of criminal records for crimes and mental disorders would be a very good thing if it couldnt be abused by the government but every time this is proposed there is always some trapdoor by which the government can deny your purchase even if you are perfectly qualified to own a gun and we oppose this its a little like getting a drivers licence isnt it you have to prove that you can drive before you are allowed to since the fatal accident rate for licensed automobile drivers in the us is around 50 times the fatal accident rate of largely unlicensed gun owners id think twice before using this analogy besides the problem is criminal use of guns not accidents there are about 500 000 criminal uses of guns in the us every year but only 1 400 accidents i dont think its necessary to spend a lot of energy making sure a criminal can shoot a gun before he gets one just like the check most gun owners feel positively about requiring safety courses if they couldnt be abused by the government but they already have one state doesnt hold the courses another doesnt fund them a third holds them only once a year with limited attendence to those with political connections is this fair most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes and mostly short time befor the crime and how many of them acquire these guns from legal retail outlets how many are borrowed stolen smuggled bought on the black market use of knives it is allowed to cary knifes in public but not in your belt or open you americans think its ok to have a gun but not to carry it open in public rigth some states allow only open carry some allow only concealed carry some allow both some allow both but require licenses for concealed carry all you can say is if one of these modes has a clear advantage over another in terms of reducing crime or any other public good then state legislators someplace are doing exactly the wrong thing which means that they really dont have any objective reasons for these laws other than their preferences a bad way to govern scandinavians are aggressive we northeners are not as hot livered as southeners but when we decide to take action we do hot livered i love that expression here we say hot headed individual vs masses yes the individual is more important than the masses but only to some extent your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses what happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of all the others typically the only criminals who can affect the rights of all the other people are criminals in government offices the rest of our criminals affect the rights of only one or a few people at a time and they do this during the commission of a crime possession of a gun by someone hurts no one else it is when they do something violent with that gun that the crime occurs of course it is a crime for a felon or ex felon to possess a gun but we dont feel it is right to treat common citizens who have lived good lives as if they were just pre felons waiting to commit crimes we shouldnt mix weapons and items that can serve as one i dont understand this sentence if i lived in amerika i would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in home but should it have to be like that life isnt fair i shouldnt need a fire extinguisher either or flood and theft insurance or to lock the doors of my house and car but pining for a better world wont do anything to address what i have to do to live in this one do you think its wise to sell guns like candy some states do none of ours im sure if you believe its smart neccacery to have drivers licence why do you think it should be free to buy guns frankly im not sure i know what good a drivers license does anyone either the people who drive safely never use it and the people who drive drunk drive without it however a car is a good tool but not one that protects my right to life i rank the right to life somewhere north of the right to travel freely im not a pacifist or anti gun i would defend my home loved ones and country but i dont view guns as neccities or toys i have done army service and have used a variaty of weapons but wouldnt want to have one for self defence or because they feel good the question is not whether or not you want to own guns personally its whether or not you think that all people should be forced to do as you do i dont have any problem with someone who says they would never own a gun i do have a problem with someone who says i should be prevented from owning one too cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet medicine botulinum toxin type a i am looking for statistics on the prevalence of disorders that are treatable with botulinum type a these disorders include facial dyskinesia meige syndrome hemifacial spasm apraxia of eyelid openeing aberrant regeneration of the facial nerve facial paralysis strabismus spasmodic torticollis muscle spasm occupational dystonia i e writers cramp etc spasmodic dysphonia and temporal mandibular joint disease i realize many of the disorders i listed such as muscle spasm are vaguely defined and may encompass a wide range of particular disorders my apologies the list was provided to me as is i have some numbers but not reliable any ideas on sources or even bbetter any actual figures with source listed many thanks meg meg arnold business intelligence center sri international 333 ravenswood avenue menlo park ca 94025 phone 415 859 3764 internet meg arnold qm sri com religion re a kind and loving god in article 1993apr21 141714 5576 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee writes jesus comments about how christians have to follow the ot deleted i will clarify my earlier quote gods laws were originally written for the israelites jesus changed that fact by now making the law applicable to all people not just the jews gentiles could be part of the kingdom of heaven through the saving grace of god i never said that the law was made obsolete by jesus exodus 31 12 17 how many people have you put to death for working on the sabbath if anything he clarified the law such as in that quote you made in the following verses jesus takes several portions of the law and expounds upon the law giving clearer meaning to what god intended if youll notice he also reams into the pharisees for mucking up the law with their own contrived interpretations they knew every letter of the law and followed it with their heads but not their hearts that is why he points out that our righteousness must surpass that of the pharisees in order to be accepted into the kingdom of heaven people such as the pharisees are those who really go out of their way to debate about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin they had become legalistic rule makers religious lawyers who practiced the letter of the law but never really believed in it leviticus 17 10 how as that medium rare steak last night i think you will agree with me that there are in todays world a lot of modern day pharisees who know the bible from end to end but do not believe in it what good is head knowledge if there is nothing in the heart leviticus 19 19 what did you wear to work friday christianity is not just a set of rules its a lifestyle that changes ones perspectives and personal conduct and it demands obedience to gods will deutromony 18 1 i can you can now justify discrimination some people can live by it but many others cannot or will not that is their choice and i have to respect it because god respects it too right god be with you she is kcochran nyx cs du edu b 0 4 c d e f g k m r s t tsakc my thoughts my posts my ideas my responsibility my beer my pizza ok because im the daddy thats why guns re waco clinton press conference part 1 in article blake 70 735413837 nevada edu blake nevada edu rawlin blake writes in article 1993apr21 160642 12470 ringer cs utsa edu whughes lonestar utsa edu william w hughes writes in article feustelc5tw49 7p5 netcom com feustel netcom com david feustel writes i predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the federal assault in waco will result in future assaults of that type being conducted as full scale military operations with explicit shoot to kill directives you mean they arent already could have fooled me remember waco who will the government decide to murder next maybe you opinions are mine i dont care if you blame the university or the state well it seems we dont learn the lessons of history do we i was hoping that kent state taught us a lesson apparently not apparently the government will murder anyone they choose to still hmm for more recent lesson what about that little square in china another lesson might be the one repeated every year in tibet and of course theres always el salvador and the beat goes on and on messages from god get off your ass dont trust the government at any time for any reason the screaming man connect the god damned dots ministry tv song clinton administration e mail addresses clintonhq campaign92 org mcimail provided as a public service by 75300 3115 compuserve com compuserve jon edward shum jon mitre org clintonpz aol com america online baseball re marlins win marlins win dwarner journalism indiana edu said i only caught the tail end of this one on espn does anyone have a report look at all that teal bleah maybe its just me but the combination of those young faces peeking out from under oversized aqua helmets screams little league in every fibre of my being david m tate i do not know what it is about you that closes posing as and opens only something in me understands e e can the pocket of your glove is deeper than pete roses dy cummings nobody not even tim raines has such soft hands guns re the pill for deer no hunting in article 1qk3jm 9sh transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes i know a number of ex hci members who have recently become nra members ive never heard of a single one who has gone the other way ive been a member of the nra for several years and recently joined hci i wanted to see what they were up to and paid the minimum 15 to get a membership i also sent the nra another 120 would the founding fathers have approved of encryption so strong that the government could not break it baseball re best homeruns darryl strawberrys moon shots were fun he can hit those high and far home runs that if he actually ran them out hed be rounding second base by the time they landed we used to say that he should have to file a flight plan at laguardia for some of them then bull durham came out and that was changed on homers he pulled that didnt go high they were microwave home runs microwave as in they got outta there in a hurry in a game in 1988 he came off the bench with the flu and on the second pitch send a rocket down the right field line that didnt even allow bob murphy the luxury of a home run call the story went he stayed in the clubhouse the with the mets down by two and two on davey johnson sent for him to pinch hit he came out of the clubhouse saying one swing and we go home he hit the homer ran the bases then went straight for the clubhouse to shower and go home those were the days scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe lets go mets baseball re brien taylor where is he last year brein taylor was in a ball probably at tampa in the florida state league i believe he began this year in aa which is albany hopefully george wont rush him and hell be allowed to progress at his own rate to aaa and then to the bronx this guy is the real thing jonathan alboum uva cars heard of these south bay shops i need to bring on my vw corrado for body work i got hit i was wondering if anyone has heard of any of these south bay body shops akins collision center of santa clara on reed st auto west collision in san jose los gatos acura royal auto body in sunnyvale thanks w windows re winfax files in ascii format winfax pro provides you with ocr it is the ocr from omnipage although it is not as customizable it does the job and is auto matic if you want and much cheaper than the same package omni page professional 700 sold separatly last time i check winfax pro was only 100 baseball rec sport baseball fantasy april 1 1993 i am participating in an nl league that uses standard rotisserie rules except that the following catagories are used for position players lowest batting average strike outs caught stealing errors for pitchers losses blown saves higest era taters allowed this is the fifth year that ive participated in this blowtisserie league last year i won the pennant due primarily to the fact that i had terrible pitching i would like to lower my batting average which is rather high because i do have jose offerman who made up for this by helping me lock first place in errors anyway someone offered andres gallaraga for bud black i can afford to give up bud black because i still have kyle abbott however i am afraid of andres actually doing well this season should i make the trade or not your comments will be appreciated warren usui im one with the universe on a scale from 1 to 10 cars help mercury capri query hi folks i recently bought a 1981 mercury capri my first car ever i have noticed a few problems with the car 1 it gives very low gas mileage something like 11 miles gallon i hear other car owners speak of gas mileage figures like 25 miles gallon wow etc 2 when i start the car it goes into high idling something like 1500 or is it 15000 rpm after driving 4 or 5 miles it comes down to 300 or 3000 rpm i would like to know if there is any way by which i can fix these problems or is it natural for an old car like this it has done about 117 000 miles someone suggested that i change rebuild recondition the carburettor i am not prepared to do it unless i am sure it will fix the problem and yes i got the car tuned up recently within the last 200 miles or so please let me know if you have any suggestions please respond by email since i dont scan this newsgroup regularly thanks regards sudhi sira gopinath sudhindranath email sudhi ucs usl edu is he one of us or is he one of them so ask small minded men those of noble mind think the entire world as their family hitopadesha baseball re new uniforms jpopovich guvax acc georgetown edu writes while i enjoy the trend towards the more classic style of uniform and i disagree with the person who wants a return to the non gray road uniforms it should be remembered that one of the if not the reason for the redesigning of uniforms especially hats re the new road all green as caps and the cardinal navy blue road cap is the marketing money to be made in sales of new merchandise no kidding just ask the white sox too bad really john neuharth neuharth u washington edu medicine cant wear contacts after rk prk i love the faq the comment about contact lenses not being an option for any remaining correction after rk and possibly after prk is interresting why is this does anyone know for sure whether this applies to prk as well also why is it possible to get a correction in prk with involvement of only about 5 of the corneal depth while rk is done to a depth of up to 95 why such a difference i thought the proceedures were simmilar with the exception of a laser being the cutting tool in prk i must not be understanding all of the differences in the faq the vision was considered less clear after the surgery than with glasses alone if this is completly attributable to the intentional slight undercorrection then it can be compensated for when necessary with glasses or contacts if they can be worn afterall it is important to know if that is not the case however and some other consequence of the surgery would often interfere with clear vision the first thing that came to my mind was a fogging of the lense which glasses couldnt help would not help daniel r field aka infospunj im just a lowly phlebe dfield oboe calpoly edu biochemistry biotechnology im at the phlebottom california polytechnic state u of the medical totem pole medicine result sci life extension passes 237 28 the vote to create the proposed group sci life extension was affirmative yes votes 237 no votes 28 what follows is a list of the people who voted by vote no or yes here are the people who voted no bailey utpapa ph utexas edu ed bailey barkdoll lepomis psych upenn edu edwin barkdoll msb sq com mark brader carr acsu buffalo edu dave carr desj ccr p ida org david desjardins jbh anat umsmed edu james b hutchins rsk gynko circ upenn edu rich kulawiec stu valinor mythical com stu labovitz lau ai sri com stephen lau plebrun minf8 vub ac be philippe lebrun jmaynard nyx cs du edu jay maynard emcguire intellection com ed mcguire rick crick ssctr bcm tmc edu richard h miller smarry zooid guild org marc moorcroft dmosher nyx cs du edu david mosher ejo kaja gi alaska edu eric j olson hmpetro mosaic uncc edu herbert m petro smith una yale edu una smith mmt redbrick com maxime taksar kc6zps urlichs smurf sub org matthias urlichs ac999266 umbc edu a francis uy werner soe berkeley edu john werner wick netcom com potter wickware ggw wolves durham nc us gregory g woodbury d w wright bnr co uk d wright yarvin norman cs yale edu norman yarvin ask cblph att com spm2d opal cs virginia edu here are the people who voted yes fsspr acad3 alaska edu hardcore alaskan kalex eecs umich edu ken alexander ph600fht sdcc14 ucsd edu alex aumann franklin balluff syntex com franklin balluff barash umbc edu mr steven barash build alan b30 ingr com alan barksdale build lion therat kludge com john h barlow pbarto uceng uc edu paul barto ryan bayne canrem com ryan bayne mignon shannon jpl nasa gov mignon belongie beaudot tirf grenet fr william beaudot lavb lise unit no olav benum ross bryson demon co uk ross beresford ben best canrem com ben best levi happy man com levi bitansky jsb30 dagda eng sun com james blomgren gbloom 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writes my ex husband i used to own borgwards even tho they were ugly they had names one was humphrey borgward thats pretty good a friend had an audi that he named murphy mark medicine re diet for crohns ibd one thing that i havent seen in this thread is a discussion of the relation between ibd inflammation and the profile of ingested fatty acids fas i was diagnosed last may w crohns of the terminal ileum when i got out of the hospital i read up on it a bit and came across several studies investigating the role of epa an essentially fa in reducing inflammation the evidence was mixed many of these studies are discussed in inflammatory bowel disease macdermott stenson 1992 but if i recall correctly there were some methodological bones to be picked with the studies both the ones w pos and w neg results in the studies patients were given epa a few grams day for most of the studies but if i recall correctly there was no restriction of the other fas that the patients could consume from the informed laypersons perspective this seems mistaken if lots of n 6 fas are consumed along with the epa then the ratio of bad prostanoid products to good prostanoid products could still be fairly bad isnt this ratio the issue whats the view of the gastro community on epa these days epa supplements along with a fairly severe restriction of other fas appear to have helped me significantly though it could just be the low absolute amount of fat i eat 8 10 calories brian bmdelane midway uchicago edu windows need help setting pif for games hi there i have a few games that id like to run under windows 3 1 and cant get the pifs adjusted right for example wing commander in my dos prompt i have more than 620k available for programs this is enough to run wc so i build a pif giving wc a couple of megs of extended memory etc and run it wc prompts loading wing commander and then a message about using extended memory etc and then my screen goes black just before the opening scene the orchestra would have appeared i also have a pool game that does almost the same thing it opens up and prompts me for what kind of video driver i have cga ega etc i respond ega and the screen goes black on both of these a ctrl alt del getss me back to windows has anyone run wing commander under windows or has had the problems i describe and fixed them heres the rest of my setup 400mb disk free 8mb memory 5 free during win session 386dx 25 respond here or on e mail if anyone else needs this info send me mail in a couple of days and ill forward the replies to you clinton a pierce cartesian bear polar bear after coordinate transform clintp world std com cars re changing brake fluid is it necessary in article 1993apr23 163129 53125 gmuvax gmu edu lcarr gmuvax gmu edu writes hi ive been seeing all these articles about changing brake fluid and i am wondering if this is really necessary i have an 86 toyota corolla sr5 with 94000 and i am in the only if you want to stop seriously though every 2 years you should have this done brake fluid absorbs water over time the water becomes steam when the fluid gets hot and steam compresses youll also have better luck with the longevity of master cylinder calipers and brake lines jeff goss baseball re quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb in article apr 6 00 33 22 1993 26417 pilot njin net gajarsky pilot njin net bob gajarsky hobokenite writes ok sorry about that i didnt realise he was being sarcastic about those sort of things but ill tell you mike lupica daily news usually says some pretty funny things in his shooting from the lip columns bob gaj yknow if current trends continue the florida marlins will be the first expansion team to go 162 0 and outscore their opponents by 486 runs ted frank however teel should have mentioned that though thf2 kimbark uchicago edu his advice is legally sound if you follow it the u of c law school you will probably wind up in jail standard disclaimers james donald in misc legal baseball re defensive averages 1988 1992 shortstop in article 1993apr17 200602 8229 leland stanford edu addison leland stanford edu brett rogers writes in article steph 735027990 pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes smith ozzie 742 717 697 672 664 0 701 the wizards 1988 is the second highest year ever still very good but i dont like the way his numbers have declined every year in a few years may be a defensive liability thats rich ozzie smith a defensive liability why not brooks robinson is a defensive liability too and ted williams is a weak hitter even great players decline as they age valentine religion re what right joakimr ifi uio no joakim ruud writes recently ive asked myself a rather interesting question what right does god have on our lives always assuming there is a god of course in his infinite wisdom he made it perfectly clear that if we dont live according to his rules we will burn in hell well with what right can god make that desicion lets say for the sake of argument that god creates every one of us directly or indirectly it doesnt matter what then happens is that he first creates us and then turns us lose well i didnt ask to be created lets make an analogue if a scientist creates a unique living creature which has happened it was even patented does he then have the right to expect it to behave in a certain matter or die who is god to impose its rules on us who can tell if god is really so righteous as god likes us to believe are all christians a flock of sheep unable to do otherwise that follow the rest hmmmmmmmmmmmm i just want to point out that this is not sarcasm i mean it how should one deal with a man who is convinced that he is acting according to gods will and who there jokke fore believes that he is doing you a favour by stabbing you in the back voltaire medicine re krillean photography i seem to recall that there was an article in radio electronics about this subject in fact i have a copy of the article in front of me but i cant find anywhere in the article a refrence as to what month it was in the system they describe uses an automobile ignition coil for the high voltage the article even includes some information on what kind of film to use and where to get it hope this helps joseph m krzeszewski ski wpi wpi edu cars drag coefficients could someone explain how to make sense of drag coefficients i e cd mentioned in magazines i understand that lower numbers signify better aerodynamics but what does this mean in the real world is there a way to calculate new top speeds assuming the car is not rev limited at top speed or mileage benefits if a identical car had the cd reduced from 34 to 33 thanx windows re what does the bmp format mean in article robertsa 735922084 unix2 tcd ie robertsa unix2 tcd ie andrew l roberts writes what exactly does the windows bitmap format look like i mean how is the data stored width height no of colours bitmap data i couldnt find anything in ths user manual is there any other reference material which would give me this information from thomas sunshine kodak com thomas kinsman newsgroups comp os ms windows programmer misc alt binaries pictures utilities subject dib bmp creation guide as requested keywords dib bmp bitmaps file formats message id 1992dec23 214432 18764 kodak kodak com date 23 dec 92 21 44 32 gmt sender news kodak kodak com organization precambiran electronics rochester ny lines 484 xref cradle titech comp os ms windows programmer misc 3609 guide to creation of dib images thomas b kinsman precambrian electronics 29 falstaff rd rochester ny 14609 thomask kodak com copyright march 15 1991 abstract the format of images created for use by ms windows 3 0 3 1 applications is documented in the ms windows programmers reference guide this guide is intended as a clearify some wording of the specifications and to put forth a recommendation among the various alternatives please send updates corrections suggestions and revisions to me please thank me for writing this on my own time by keeping my name with the document thank you for your respect this document copyright 1991 by thomas b kinsman if desired a postscript version of this document is available this information is free you get more than what you pay for dont sue me if im wrong overview the dib image file format is intended to be a device independent bitmap file format what microsoft means by device independent is unclear to me four pixel resolutions are supported 1 bit 4 bit 8 bit and 24 bit pixels these images were intended for use on dos ibm or little endian systems if you are creating them on another architecture you will have to byte swap all short and long integer values by convention dib images end in the extension bmp this is because march 15 1991 2 they are a super set of earlier bitmap image files consequently you will sometimes hear dib files referred to as bmp files since dib images files are a super set there are three flavors of dib images o dos dib images these are the recommended convention and the form which i will describe how to create they are intended for applications running under ms windows 3 0 in a dos environment o os 2 dib images my understanding is that these are the flavor of dib images that were used by the presentation manager o old style bitmap images march 15 1991 3 differences between flavors the dos dib images consist of 1 a bitmapfileheader file header which identifies the file as a dib file this header also gives the total size of the image file and the offset to the image data 2 a bitmapinfoheader image header which specifies the image attributes 3 an optional palette of colors used by the image if it exists this may contain 2 16 or 256 entries each entry is a windows rgbquad structure 4 the image data itself the os 2 dib images consist of 1 the same bitmapfileheader file header which identifies the file as a dib file this header also gives the total size of the image file and the offset to the image data 2 a bitmapcoreheader image header which specifies the image attributes 3 an optional palette of colors used by the image again if this exists it may contain 2 16 or 256 entries each entry is a windows rgbtriple structure 4 the image data itself the old style image bitmap consists of 1 either a bitmapinfoheader or a bitmapcoreheader which header type is determined by the first long integer dword value 2 an optional color palette this palette may be composed of either windows rgbquad structures if the header was a bitmapinfoheader or windows rgbtriple structures if the header was a bitmapcoreheader 3 the image data itself creating dib image files creating a dos dib image file consists of several straight forward steps the headers need to be created and then written to the file these header structures are defined in the ms windows 3 0 windows h include file palette information needs to be stored for images that are not 24 bit images the five general steps are 1 filling in the bitmapfileheader and the bitmapinfoheader structures the basic image information 2 if the image is a 1 bit 4 bit or an 8 bit image creating the color palette of rgbquads 3 calculating the total file size and putting this information in march 15 1991 4 the bfsize field of the bitmapfileheader 4 calculating the offset to the image data from the start of the file and putting this in the bfoffbits field of the bitmapfileheader 5 writing to the file the bitmapfileheader the bitmapinfoheader the color palette and the image data in that order the following sections describe structures in terms of microsoft c type defined keywords the following table describes these keywords for those not familiar with microsoft c type defined keywords in microsoft c typedef meaning byte unsigned character word two byte unsigned integer dword four byte unsigned integer march 15 1991 5 the bitmapfileheader this structure is defined in windows h as typedef struct tagbitmapfileheader word bftype dword bfsize word bfreserved1 word bfreserved2 dword bfoffbits bitmapfileheader the bftype field is the two ascii characters b and m this serves to identify the file as a dib image file on an intel byte ordered machine ibm or a compatible this constant can be formed in c as the quantity m 8 b 0x4d42 on an intel system the bfsize field is the total size of the file for our purposes this field is equal to the size of the bitmapfileheader plus the size of the bitmapinfoheader plus the number of entries in the color palette times the size of a rgbquad plus the number of bytes of image data if the image data is being written out in an uncompressed form this value can be calculated ahead of time otherwise this field needs to be filled in later both the bfreserved1 and the bfreserved2 fields are always set to zero the bfoffbits field is set to the offset to the start of the image data from the start of the file for our purposes this field should be set to the size of the bitmapfileheader plus the size of the bitmapinfoheader plus the number of entries in the color palette times the size of a rgbquad this works out because the image data is written write after the color palette if one exists march 15 1991 6 the bitmapinfoheader this structure is defined in windows h as typedef struct tagbitmapinfoheader dword bisize dword biwidth dword biheight word biplanes word bibitcount dword bicompression dword bisizeimage dword bixpelspermeter dword biypelspermeter dword biclrused dword biclrimportant bitmapinfoheader the bisize field is set to the size of the bitmapinfoheader structure itself when reading the image file this value is what is used to determine that the image contains a bitmapinfoheader and not a bitmapcoreheader the biwidth field is the width of the image in image pixels the biheight field is the height of the image in image lines the biplanes field should always be set to 1 this data is written out as if there was one color plane the bibitcount field is the bit depth of the image this must be either 1 4 8 or 24 depending on the bit depth of the image data the bicompression field tells how the image data is compressed if it is compressed dib images support two forms of run length encoding however i have never seen any images which use it and dont know yet how it works set this field to zero long zero or 0l to indicate that the data is not compressed all subsequent fields of the bitmapinfoheader structure may be set to zero a requirement of the interpretting software that it be able to compute these fields as necessary from the previous information the field which you might want to explicitly specify might be biclrused for 4 bit and 8 bit images this field indicates that not all of the possible color entries are used and that the image contains biclrused colors if you are using only 32 colors with an 8 bit image then you may only want to save 32 of the possible 256 palette entries generally set this field to zero march 15 1991 7 color palettes each entry of a color palette is a rgbquad structure the rgbquad structure is defined in the windows h include file as typedef struct tagrgbquad byte rgbblue byte rgbgreen byte rgbred byte rgbreserved rgbquad the rgbreserved field is always zero for each color used the amount of blue green and red are filled into the structure and the structure is written to the file a value of zero in the rgbblue rgbgreen or rgbred fields indicates that that particular component does not contribute to the color composition a value of 255 in any of these fields indicates that the component contributes fully to the color composition image data there are three surprises about the ordering of image data in dib image file the creator of this format was determined to be creative and certainly was within the image data each line written out is padded to the next four byte quantity so if you had an 8 bit image which was only one pixel wide you still have to write out four bytes for every image line the number of bytes per line can be calculated as bytes per line width in pix bit depth 31 32 4 or in terms of the fields of the bitmapinfoheader structure bytes per line biwidth bibitcount 31 32 4 when writing out your image data you must write it out bottom line first the bottom line of the image as you would look at it on the screen is the first line of image data in the file for 1 bit 4 bit and 8 bit images information is written as you would expect one bit images are padded eight pixels to a byte four bit images are padded two pixels to a byte eight bit images are written one pixel per byte twenty four bit images are written three bytes per pixel however for 24 bit images the information must be written out in the order blue green red while most image file formats write data out in march 15 1991 8 an rgb ordering a dib image file writes the data out in an bgr ordering summary this should provide enough information to create dib images from applications such as scanners or for image exporting routines if you find out any more about dib images please pass the information on to me so that i can modify this document accordingly march 15 1991 thomas b kinsman rochester ny thomas acadia kodak com practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty anon ito takayuki yuki is s u tokyo ac jp senior department of infomation science faculty of science university of tokyo japan baseball re dave kingman for the hall of fame steve tomassi writes hi baseball fans so what do you say dont you think he deserves it i mean heck if dave winfield ho hum is seriously being considered for it as is lee smith ha then why dont we give dave kingman a chance or darrell evans yeah yeah after the hall of fame takes in them it can take in eddie murray and jeff reardon well in any case i am sick and tired mostly sick of everybody giving hall of fame consideration to players that are by todays standards marginal honestly ozzie smith and robin yount dont belong there theyre both shortstops that just hung around for a long time big deal lets be a little more selective huh stop handing out these honors so liberally save them for the guys who really deserve it face it if something isnt done there will be little prestige in the hall of fame anymore when certain individuals believe that steve garvey or jack morris are potential candidates the absurdity is apparent gee can these guys even compare to the more likely future hall of famers like kirby puckett or nolan ryan q steve whats the difference between nolan ryan and yount both have hung around for years and continue to post great stats why shouldnt dave kingman get into the hall or murray evens reardon and others what the hell do you have to do ask an opposing pitcher whether he thinks that winfield should be in the hall god pretty soon youll be saying that cal ripken doesnt deserve to be in the hall then ill flame you chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart c 1981 quick to judge quick to anger slow to understand ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand religion re that kill by sword must be killed by sword in article sandvik 210493225738 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes in article c5uvvd gdd murdoch acc virginia edu rwd4f poe acc virginia edu rob dobson wrote i am also unhappy or actually very suspicious that the fbi was dismissing out of hand any chances that they might have accidentally set the blaze themselves i mean i guess we are just supposed to believe that ramming modified tanks into the walls of a building and injecting toxic gases into the building are just routine procedures no way anything could go wrong my core point was and still is that 19 children died and mr koresh could just have opened the door and asked the children to go out before all this happened you might blaim fbi atf president clinton satan pepsi coke or anything else but you cant avoid the fact that one single action would have saved small children from a dreadful and painful death 1 well mr koresh allowed other children and adults to leave the compound during the course of the siege why didnt these children leave then i dont know myself and certainly havent heard any answers on this here 2 yes one simple non action ie not attacking the compound with modified tanks would have prevented this tragedy i bet you blamed the move people for the deaths that occurred in adjacent row houses in philadelphia not the government which dropped the firebomb right legalize freedom guns re news says batf indictment warrant unsealed question what will californians do with all those guns after the reginald denny trial the wall street journal had an article on how the police were whining about all the new guns excuse me but police are employees of the government rather like having your janitor complain about job conditions i say californians should form armed block clubs that would engage in coordinated strategies should batf attempt to disarm them based on the nefarious tipster theory of law enforcement unlike waco californians should be able to destroy armored vehicles in city streets with incendiary weapons acetylene after slowing them down with abandoned car blockades m 1 garands should easily outclass batf shock troops with their h k mp 5 smgs and there should be enough sony walkmans and boom boxes to overwhelm any fbi psy war operation yes a good time would be had by all billary clinton would get what he wanted a war on gunowners the batf would attempt to show the anti gun press they they really really were in charge with a 500 man charge of the light brigade and the fbi would attempt to show how they really were in charge by asking the californian national guard to level the area with artillary religion re rosicrucian order s on the subject of how many competing rc orders there are let me point out the golden dawn is only the outer order of that tradition the inner order is the roseae rubeae et aurae crucis thats ruby rose and gold cross in rough translation the g d is a rosicrucian order as are all derivative groups of course real rosicrucians never admit to being rosicrucian enjoy the journey branarthur queer peculiar and wyrd closed minds dont want to know jjobermark cars re is car saftey important s in a previous article jimf centerline com jim frost says jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article 1r1jr9 m1v armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes tcorkum bnr ca trevor corkum writes i figure that 30mph collisions into brick walls arent common enough for me to spend that much extra money for protection but there are lots of low speed collisions that do worry me get into an 30 mph accident and you may reconsider ive been in one and it is really scarey my life is something i value more than a cars looks or handeling consider it insurance it may not happen often but when it does youll sure be glad you got a safe car granted the tests arent perfect but id much rather be in a car that did well in the test than a car that did horribly you raise a valid point but again its a tradeoff how much money do you want to spend for that kind of protection you could buy a volvo saab or benz and get really good crash protection and other luxuries but youll pay significantly more for it in my case its out of the question because all of those cars are beyond my budget ive been in two major auto accidents both were multiple car the worst was a head on three car collision t intersection and one person ran a stop sign in both cases i was stopped and had no place to go and i saw it coming both times even in high speed head on collisions the most beneficial item you can have is a good old 3 point seatbelt nowadays at least in the us you get an airbag if you get a 3 point belt so presumably you get an added safety benefit there as well thats something i certainly look for and which can be had in inexpensive cars if you really want to add safety to any car simply add a cage to the car they are available and cheap about 500 in the usa add to that four or five or six point belts and you will walk away from collisions that were otherwise not survivable but instead of people spending a little extra money we get legislation that says the govt must mandate a minimal level of protection for everyone one other significant factor in improving ones own safety is to get some training this will improve your safety more than any other single investment will drive ride defensively and that does not mean you have to be a doddering old stick in the mud people here tend to enthuse about autos more than the average probably in the top 15th percentile in driving ability but still we sometimes overlook the obvious ive been to two driving schools and three riding schools for my motorcycle a very worthwhile investment and besides it was a lot of fun too safety is what you make of it just because a carmaker doesnt provide you with an adequate level of protection doesnt mean you have to leave it go at that al bowers dod 900 alfa ducati hobie kottke blad iaido nasa well goodness sakes dont you know that girls cant play guitar mary chapin carpenter windows re multiple desktops in article c56bht 7qf news hawaii edu dmcgee uluhe soest hawaii edu don mcgee writes is there a free share ware package that will allow multiple desktops in windows 3 1 what is desired is to have a desk top for several people that each can personalize by name and choice of programs etc amishware has one included in their package they were advertising here on the net a couple of weeks ago with a riduculously that is in a good way ted low price does anyone remember what it was charles emmons charles trintex uucp these opinions are prodigy services co charles trintex uunet uu net mine alone unless white plains ny 10601 voice 914 993 8856 you would like to prodigy id kjrd82a fax 914 993 8659 share them windows wanted hypertext or alike for win3 1 in fact im looking for a possibility to connect different peaces of information like in the windows help system and no i dont want to program such a system by myself the necessary effort and afford should be as small as possible thanx in advance thomas guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r4ef7 408 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes do you think a 200 tax evasion justifies an armed assault by the government with 100 armed men in trailers orchestrated character assassination noise torture and a holocaust i doubt if koresh had let the batf have a look inside his place as they intended to do orchestrated character assassination noise torture and a holocaust would never have come to pass the bds killed members of the batf on the first day orchestrated character assassination and noise torture seem like a small retribution the use of tanks is quesionable however abhijit bhattacharya abhijit georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gt5311b internet gt5311b prism gatech edu guns re my gun is like my american express card i dont remember the figures exactly but there were about 3500 deaths in texas in 1991 that was caused by guns this is more than those beeing killed in car accidents yes there could be that low sentences or high poverty could influence the figures but theyre still pretty high right i also believe texas has some of the most liberal gun laws in usa i should not suffer because of others we all agree on this one but we also live in a sociaty and therefor well have to give up some of our freedom note the do you have an insurance then youll have to pay because of what others do do you buy anything you are paying for those who return goods steal or even those who gets a bonus do you live with other people then you cant do ererything youd want burping farting playing music loud what the hell is he trying to say when you live in a society usa are stilll counted as one you have to saccrifice the question is how much one state dont remember which texas tried to impose a rule that you could only buy one gun each month think you all know what happened i respect the right to defend yourself but that right should not inflict on other people it seems like you all realize that you have a problem in america the only problem is that you wont take the car away from the drunk driver you hope to cure him first hope life comfirms to the standard of winnie the poh this is not a signature its merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil internet thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no medicine re quack quack was re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1rag61 1cb hsdndev harvard edu rind enterprise bih harvard edu david rind writes in article noringc5yl3i 3qo netcom com noring netcom com jon noring writes p s may i suggest seriously that if the doctors and wanna be doctors on the net who refuse to have an open mind on alternative treatments and theories such as the yeast theory should create your own moderated group why is there some reason why you feel that it shouldnt be pointed out in sci med that there is no convincing empirical evidence to support the existence of systemic yeast syndrome i dont know the first thing about yeast infections but i am a scientist no scientist would take your statement no convincing empirical evidence to support the existence of systemic yeast syndrome to tell you anything except an absence of data on the question noring has pointed out the catch 22 that if the crazy theory were true you probably couldnt find any direct evidence of it that you couldnt observe those yeastie beasties with present methods even if they were there noring and the fellow from oklahoma sorry forgot your name have also suggested one set of anecdotal evidence in favor based on their personal experiences namely that when people with certain conditions are given anti fungals many of them appear to get better so if you have any evidence against the hypothesis for example controlled double blind studies showing that the anti fungals dont do any better than sugar water then lets hear it if you dont then what we have is anecdotal and uncontrolled evidence on one side and abject disbelief on the other in which case please there is no point in yelling back and forth at each other any longer since neither side has any convincing evidence either positive or negative and i understand that your abject disbelief is based on the existence of people who may get famous or make money applying the diagnosis to everything in sight making wild claims with no evidence and always refusing to do controlled studies but that has absolutely no bearing on the apparently sincere experiences of the people on the net observing anti fungals working on themselves and other people in certain specific cases there are also quacks who sell oral superoxide dismutase in spite of the fact that its completely broken down in the guts but this doesnt change the genuine scientific knowledge about the role of superoxide dismutase in fighting oxidative damage same thing just cause there are candida quacks that doesnt establish evidence against the candida hypothesis if theres some other reason besides the quacks if only anecdotal to think it could be true then that is what has to be considered that is what the net people have been talking about but again there is no point in arguing about it there is anecdotal evidence and there is no convincing evidence and there are also some candida quacks out there i hope everyone can agree on all of that thus it appears to me the main question now is whether the proponents can marshall enough anecdotal evidence in a convincing and documented enough manner to make a good case for carrying out a good controlled double blind study of antifungals or else forget convincing anybody else to carry out the test just carry it out themselves and also whether they can adequately define the patient population or symptoms on which such a study should be carried out to provide a fair test of the hypothesis ken cars pontiac option codes wanted does anyone have a listing of pontiacs three letter option codes and what they mean thanks oliver oliver scholz dg4nem graduate student of computer sciences at the university of erlangen germany youre killing me peg oh shut up al like i care guns a scoop of waco road please your lite posting for the day from rec humor funny in article s539 2adf looking on ca bellas tti com pete bellas writes there is a new ice cream flavor inspired by the incident at waco its called mount caramel its full of nuts but you cant get it out of the carton cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet medicine what are knots what exactly are knots those sore tight spots in your muscles in certain kinds of massage people try and break up these knots it this really helpful ho leung ng ng4 husc harvard edu medicine natural alternatives to estrogen need diet for diverticular disease and ideas for gastrointestinal distress windows re true type or atm seen from a typographically point of view atm using postscript fonts is better than truetype the hinting mechanism incorporated in ps is gorgeous multilingual users may see the limit of possible different characters in a ps font as problematically they may have better use of the unicode features of tt fonts in windows nt ive seen lots of really beautiful and printable in small size ps fonts i havent seen those as tt fonts most of them are rendering quite inaccurate in small sizes esp as screen fonts simply compare timesnewroman as a ps font with the tt font the first looks better i am hoping that there will be atm nt claudius mokler e mail mokler desert in berlin de baseball best sportwriters since someone brought up sports radio howabout sportswriting anyone give an opinion which city do you think has the best sports coverage in terms of print media these are general questions is the washington post better than the philadelphia inquier or the ny times howabout the philadelphia daily news compared to the new york daily news do you notice papers being subjective or objective to the home team windows re more cool bmp files in article 1993apr17 023017 17301 gmuvax2 gmu edu rwang gmuvax2 gmu edu writes hi everybody i guess my subject has said it all it is getting boring looking at those same old bmp files that came with windows so i am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file i can share or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for some bmp files like some scenery files some animals files etc i used to have some unfortunately i delete them all eric hmmm lets see i could upload some bmp files i have around 15 b w and color ones but id rather give you the fishing pole instead of the fish here it goes begginers guide to the coolest windows backgrounds step 1 ftp to cica ftp cica indiana edu user anonymous passwd guest cd to pub pc win3 util desktop and get one of these wingif14 zip pspro zip gws zip they will scale dither and convert gifs to bmps get the index file from the win3 subdir too for future reference step 2 ftp to wuarchive wustl edu or plaza aarnet edu au or archive orst edu and cd to graphics gif get the index file now gigabytes of pictures are waiting to become your desktop advice if you have a slow computer 486dx w 4mb ram make your bg b w by selecting b w dither in any of the abovementioned apps hope it helps costas malamas georgia institute of technology oit ua opinions expressed are not necessarily oits internet ccastco prism gatech edu windows re challenge to microsoft supporters mike schleppo bocaraton ibm com mike dahmus writes in 1993may13 010048 22404 microsoft com jimfr microsoft com jim francis writes note i have been working for ms for the past 2 years i have been a developer for the past 13 os 2 is technically superior to windows considering that ms makes more money per copy of os 2 sold than ibm and we co wrote most of it differences between os 2 1 2 and os 2 1 3 os 2 1 3 had about half the memory requirements os 2 1 3 was quicker even at half the memory os 2 1 3 was much more stable oh and one more thing ibm did os 2 1 3 by themselves yes a lot of what os 2 2 0 has in common with os 2 1 x was written by you guys however many of the things that made os 2 2 0 so much more successful win os 2 workplace shell than previous versions were ibm work so we co wrote it may be technically accurate but its really a red herring as the bits that are selling the product werent written by you dont forget seamless win apps on os 2 ms couldnt do it viz wlo but ibm managed to do it right tom hatton hatton cgl ucsf edu 415 476 8693 medicine re donating organs in article 1993mar25 161109 13101 sbcs sunysb edu mhollowa ic sunysb edu michael holloway writes dr banks i dont know if you make a point of keeping up with liver transplant research but youre certainly in the right place for these questions has there been anything recent in transplant proceedings or somesuch on xenografts how about liver section transplants from living donors im sure the pittsburgh group has published the baboon work but i dont know where in chicago they were doing lobe transplants from living donors and im sure theyve published i dont read the transplant literature i just see the liver transplant patients when they get into neurologic trouble pretty frequent so that and the newspapers and scuttlebutt is the way i keep up with what they are doing howard doyle works with them and can tell you more gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon baseball re geronimo pena in article 1993apr20 013653 1 eagle wesleyan edu dhart eagle wesleyan edu writes hey ive noticed that luis alicea is starting at 2nd for the cardinals instead of geronimo pena is pena hurt or was he just benched for poor performance anyone know after a quick start pena has been stuck in a rut torre gave alicea the start to try to get pena out of whatever funk he is in it has worked in the past bob h bob netherton missouri pacific sun microsystems o mp dallas tx 5001 o o o o o o guns re impeach clinton reno on 21 apr 93 02 59 52 gmt glenn r stone gs26 prism gatech edu wrote fact it is a federal felony to infringe civil rights under color of law where death is involved this offense carries a penalty of life in prison title 18 241 and or 242 seem to apply 241 is conspiracy two or more persons against rights of citizens 242 is deprivation of rights under color of law both call for up to life in prison if death occurs reno bentsen and clinton are probably all principals to the crime as they are responsible for authorized actions on the part of their subordinates conclusion we have no choice if we are an honest people but to impeach mr clinton and remove reno from office you forgot one detail they should be turned over to the texas authorities for trial as the crime was committed there article 4 section 2 charles scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept of physics michigan tech houghton mi 49931 when all government in little as in great things shall be drawn to washington as the centre of all power it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated thomas jefferson 1821 cars service indicator of a bmw does anyone know how to reset the service indicator of a bmw after changing the oil yourself also i have about 3 000 miles on my 525i and so far only one of the five yellow service indicators went out that means i dont need oil service until it reach approximatly 15 000 miles which doesnt make sense to me any idea ps of cause i did my first oil change at 1 200 miles derek religion re merlin mithras and magick in response to whitten fwva saic com david whitten i wrote there evidently was a feast of bread and wine associated with mithras i have often wondered if yeshua intentionally introduced this ritual to expand the appeal of his religion or if it was appropriated by later worshipers and you responded you could argue that if you wanted but i think a more reasonable argument would point out the fact that the remembrance feast was very similar to the pesach passover meal during seder a very jewish ritual of course the feast was the seder and the accounts of it are very clear on this point the difference is the connection between the bread and wine and the body and blood of god this is an old association of the tammuz osiris mithras line and not really related to judaism in any case i didnt really intend to argue the point i saw a possible association and pointed it out but i havent the foggiest notion what really happened larry caldwell caldwell ohsu edu compuserve 72210 2273 oregon health sciences university 503 494 2232 medicine re ocd in article c5r3n6 fg4 news hawaii edu sharynk hawaii edu writes i recently heard of a mental disorder called obsessive compulsive disorder what is it what causes it could it be caused by a nervous breakdown obesssive compulsive disorder not to be confused with obsessive compulsive personality disorder is an acute anxiety disorder characterized by either obsessions persistent intrusive thoughts that cause anxiety when not entertained or compulsions repetitive ritualistic actions that similarly cause intense psychological discomfort when resisted ocd is often associated with certain forms of depression examples of obsessive thoughts are repeated impulses to kill a loved one though not accompanied by anger or a religious person having recurrent blasphemous thoughts generally the individual attempts to ignore or suppress the intrusive thoughts by engaging in other activities the individual realizes that the thoughts originate from the own mind rather than being from an external source examples of compulsive actions are constant repetitive hand washing or other activity that is not realistically related to alleviating a source of the anxiety in ocd the obsessions or compulsions are highly distressing to the individual take an hour or more per day and significantly impair their daily routine and social relationships treatments include psychotherapy behavioral methods and sometimes certain anti depressants which have recently been found effective in alleviating obsessions and compulsions the standard diagnostic code for ocd if you want to look it up in the dsm iii manual of psychiatric diagnosis is 300 30 kind regards todd todd i stark stark dwovax enet dec com digital equipment corporation 215 354 1273 philadelphia pa usa a word is the skin of a living thought olliver wendell holmes jr medicine re need to find information about current trends in diabetes in c5nf2r kpj world std com steveo world std com steven w orr writes i looked for diab in my newsrc and came up with nuthin anyone have any good sources for where i can read check out the diabetic mailing list a knowledgable helpful friendly voluminous bunch send email to listserv pccvm bitnet with this line in the body subscribe diabetic your name here also the vote for misc health diabetes a newsgroup for general discussion of diabetes is currently underway and will close on 29 april from the 2nd cfv posted to news announce newgroups news groups and sci med message 1q1jshinn4v1 rodan uu net to place a vote for the creation of misc health diabetes send an email message to yes sun6850 nrl navy mil to place a vote against creation of misc health diabetes send an email message to no sun6850 nrl navy mil the contents of the message should contain the line i vote for against misc health diabetes as proposed email messages sent to the above addresses must constitute unambiguous and unconditional votes for against newsgroup creation as proposed conditional votes will not be accepted only votes emailed to the above addresses will be counted mailed replies to this posting will be returned in the event that more than one vote is placed by an individual only the most recent vote will be counted one additional cfv will be posted during the course of the vote along with an acknowledgment of those votes received to date no information will be supplied as to how people are voting until the final acknowledgment is made at the end at which time the full vote will be made public voting will continue until 23 59 gmt 29 apr 93 votes will not be accepted after this date any administrative inquiries pertaining to this cfv may be made by email to swkirch sun6850 nrl navy mil the proposed charter appears below charter misc health diabetes unmoderated 1 the purpose of misc health diabetes is to provide a forum for the discussion of issues pertaining to diabetes management i e diet activities medicine schedules blood glucose control exercise medical breakthroughs etc this group addresses the issues of management of both type i insulin dependent and type ii non insulin dependent diabetes both technical discussions and general support discussions relevant to diabetes are welcome 2 postings to misc heath diabetes are intended to be for discussion purposes only and are in no way to be construed as medical advice diabetes is a serious medical condition requiring direct supervision by a primary health care physician end of charter cars v 16 probably the most famous v16 is the one cadillac made from about 1925 to 1935 they had to scale down then because the great depression really put the crimp on luxury cars it had 452 cubic inches with over two hundred horse power they dont make them like they used to there were others though packard had one until about 1930 whe it down sized to their legendary twin six their mainstay for the next twenty years lincoln and pierce arrow might have also had one but i am not two sure most luxury and semi luxury cars of this era at least experimented with v16 if they did not actually produce them there was actually a cylinder war among the big three to see who could produce the biggest engine big m standard disclaimer applies because i cant think of anything wittier windows re hot key for screen saver in article 1993may15 042551 17892 seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes well renaming screensavers scr to exe and running them as has been pposted i havent tried changing win ini but should have same effect shows me the setup dialog box butdoesnt enable the saver mickey start the renamed saver vid the commandline option s frank medicine re eye dominance in article c5e2g7 877 world std com rsilver world std com richard silver writes is there a right eye dominance eyedness as there is an overall right handedness in the population i mean do most people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the other if so what kinds of percentages can be attached to this there is eye dominance same as handedness and usually for the same side it has nothing to do with refractive error however gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows re how can i use the mouse in non windows applications under ms windows wnkretz ikesg1 energietechnik uni stuttgart de oliver kretzschmar writes hey could somebody tell me how it is possible to work with the mouse in a non windows application which runs in an window we use ms windows 3 1 and have clipper applications exists there any routines or something else please mail me your informations thanks for your efforts oliver name o kretzschmar inst ike university stuttgart phone 49 711 685 2130 pfaffenwaldring 31 fax 49 711 685 2010 7000 stuttgart 80 email wnkretz ikesg1 energietechnik uni stuttgart de very simple you have to have the mouse com or mouse sys loaded in dos before you run windows note that you dont need to have these files loaded to use the mouse in windows baseball re young catchers most of this discussion has been between mark singer and david tate with valentine weighing in on the same side as dave at various times my opinion fwiw to all mark age doesnt matter ability does i would rather have the untried rookie with great minor league numbers than the veteran who has proven himself to be average at best i dont care if he is 15 if he plays better than what i have i want him out there sandy alomar had decent minor league numbers grossly inflated by the pcl in general and las vegas in particular he should have been projected as an average major league hitter which is good for a catcher ill admit santiagos numbers would probably come out the same as sandys but i dont have the league data from the mid 80s to check it out that being said i agree with sending lopez to richmond at least to start the season as the box below shows he has one minor league season in which he hit well he has two in which he hit very very poorly i want to see that the 92 lopez is real olson and berryhill are not complete mediocrities for catchers especially nl catchers they are essentially average hitters with equivalent averages around 220 if he had hit well at prior levels i would say he belongs on the braves but there is a reasonable chance that lopez last year was just as much a fluke as alomar in 90 or santiago in 87 one year at any level at any age doesnt satisfy my standards of evidence javier lopez 1971 1990 bur 428 101 10 1 9 5 0 1 179 33 236 245 327 1991 dur 389 84 8 1 9 14 7 2 175 29 216 243 311 1992 grn 445 135 22 2 14 22 7 2 271 71 303 336 456 1992 atl 16 6 2 0 0 0 0 0 306 3 375 375 500 maj 16 6 2 0 0 0 0 0 306 3 375 375 500 min 1262 320 40 4 32 41 14 5 213 133 254 277 368 tot 1278 326 42 4 32 41 14 5 214 136 255 278 369 maj 650 244 81 0 0 0 0 0 min 630 160 20 2 16 20 7 2 tot 630 161 21 2 16 20 7 2 on a similar note i dont understand why more people are not supportive of neon deion granted i thought his behavior with mccarver last year was completely bush last year was the first time he ever got 300 ab in one place so his lines are hard to read but he has a combined 720 ops in minor league play with his speed is more valuable than the ops alone indicates and at a still young age 24 had a monster year with an 868 ops he has a total major and minor eqa of 249 above major league average and above average for cf which was about 240 in the nl last year he has shown at least the potential of going into the 290s which would make him one of the 15 best hitters in the league he has two full seasons before reaching his prime season of 27 he should be considered as a legitimate prospect and not as a simple side show attraction deion sanders 1968 1988 fla 21 8 2 0 0 1 1 0 325 4 381 409 476 1988 int 20 3 1 0 0 1 1 1 086 0 150 190 200 1989 eas 123 35 1 2 2 9 15 4 257 19 285 333 374 1989 nyy 47 11 1 0 2 3 1 0 222 6 234 280 383 1989 int 263 70 11 4 6 18 15 6 246 37 266 313 407 1990 nyy 133 21 2 2 3 13 8 2 161 9 158 233 271 1990 int 85 26 7 1 1 14 8 1 312 18 306 404 447 1991 atl 110 20 2 1 4 12 10 3 201 12 182 262 327 1991 ric 129 30 5 2 4 7 11 3 230 17 233 272 395 1992 atl 306 92 10 12 11 22 24 9 295 60 301 348 520 maj 596 144 15 15 20 50 43 14 245 87 242 300 418 min 641 172 27 9 13 50 51 15 252 96 268 321 399 tot 1237 316 42 24 33 100 94 29 249 182 255 311 408 maj 600 145 15 15 20 50 43 14 min 603 162 25 8 12 47 48 14 tot 601 154 20 12 16 49 46 14 clay d cars re new saturn argument in article c50p1m 21o noose ecn purdue edu rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu robert j wade writes ok how about this to argue about why does the sl2 have a much lower base price than the sc2 its over 1k cheaper i forget the exact amount doesnt it cost more to have the extra doors windows locks motors etc that are in the 4 door perhaps it is just a marketing deal people want the 2door so they will pay the extra 1 2k ok heres what i understand the sl sl1 sl2 sw1 sw2 was meant to compete with the following cars honda civic toyota tercel sl sl1 toyota corolla sl1 sl2 nissan sentra mazda 323 protoge subaru loyale impreza isuzu stylus geo prizm ford escort mercury tracer mistubishi mirage plymouth dodge colt their core competition is the civic corolla and sentra most of the other models are in the same class but arent the first cars you would think of i threw in the escort tracer because it has a good amount of japanese technology and has similar reliability stats i didnt include domestic small cars such as the cavalier sunbird shadow sundance tempo and topaz since i think saturn is going after cars that have at least some degree of japanese roots the sc1 sc2 was meant to compete against the following cars toyota paseo honda civic si civic coupes del sol si nissan nx1600 nx2000 mazda mx 3 isuzu impulse geo storm ford escort gt if you look at the prices of these cars theyre more expensive than theyre 4 door counterparts the is good reason for this it is a more upscale and trend driven market even though many of these models are based on sedan platforms their interior etc is good enough to warrant slightly higher prices here are some of the platform derivations i can think of tercel paseo sentra nx1600 nx2000 civic del sol 323 mx 3 not sure on this one stylus impulse storm to illustrate a tercel starts at around 8000 while the paseo starts at around 11 000 even a 4 door tercel will cost less than a 2 door paseo now you might be saying that the tercel doesnt offer the power that some 4 doors offer what i mean is that there is no 4 dr tercel with a comparable powerplant as its sport coupe derivative lets take another example the isuzu stylus xs and impulse xs storm gsi both have the same powerplants a 1 6l 140hp engine but the smaller 2 dr coupes are generally more expensive again this is because the two door sport coupe market is a more fashion oriented and trend setting segment people are willing to pay more money for this type of car in short even though the sc1 sc2 may be smaller hence less car its market orientation dictates a slightly higher price than its mechanically equivalent sedan sl1 sl2 version i hope this clears things up a bit mihir shah cars re geico im glad this forum came up ive been pricing insurance lately and had considered geico but no more any company with practices like theirs can e s a d ill stay with liberty mutual steve nicholas wells computer center georgia state university oprsfnx gsusgi1 gsu edu a risk is not a risk until it is taken guns re waco dates are these coincidental i do not think it is at all unlikely that clinton ro his policy wonk facilitators arranged the waco raid as a display piece for the gun war on the constitution look at what the bush administration did to get material for the drug war on the constitution remember that baggie of crack george waved at the cameras they took a dealer from the ghetto and brought him to the white house so they could say drugs had been dealt onb the white house lawn and i dont think anybody could honestly think clinton would have any moral qualms about the raid the only really worrisome thing is that the bds heroic defense of their ranch will make clintons gun war on the constitution more successfull exactly as he wanted the media and politicians will filter this so that the general public will think the bds are bad guys dont help them stand up for the bds with your friends and family adnd in public anytime you can their supposed moral qualms are not important to the issue they are heroes in the fight against oppressive government it could just as well have been you watkins earth eecs uic edu brian e watkins cars re water in trunk of 89 probe tszeto sneezy ts stratus com tommy szeto writes water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friends 89 ford probe every once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water under the plywood carpet cover on the trunk i would guess this usually happens after a good thunder storm a few qs 1 is this a common problem yes this is a common problem the leaks occur through the seal of the taillights unfortunately ford has this with most probes and does not have a recall for it very dissatisfying to say the least 2 where are the drain holes located for the hatch there is no drain holes that i know of i used a margine tub to drain it regretably i waited three months as i was short cash and they wouldnt fix it under warrantee then i paid dearly as it messed up my electrical system including a balance motion sensor which is located near the fuel shutoff in the trunk this resulted in my passive restraints malfunctioning they would not retract so i ended up paying about 200 to have the sensor replaced 90 to have the tail lights resealed they firts replaced the hatch gasket which i insisted was not the problem so they did not charge me for that when i proved to be right not to mention the water damage to the covers to the trunk spare com partment and algae in the taillights very annoying dont let the water problem go get it fixed or youll pay more later considering how common a problem it is i hope every one complains to ford thanks for any info tom tom szeto no not those peanuts the ones on the tszeto sneezy ts stratus com bottom ggnuuaahuuhh include disclaimer h homer simpson cars re saturns pricing policy in article c4vir5 l3r shuksan ds boeing com fredd shuksan fred dickey writes carolinafan uiuc cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu wrote i have been active in defending saturn lately on the net and would like to state my full opinion on the subject rather than just reply to others points the biggest problem some people seem to be having is that saturn dealers make 2k on a car i think most will agree with me that the car is comparably priced with its competitors that is they arent overpriced compared to most cars in their class i dont understand the point of arguing over whether the dealer makes the 2k or not i have never understood what the big deal over dealer profits is either the only thing that i can figure out is that people believe that if they minimize the dealer profit they will minimize their total out of pocket expenses for the car while this may be true in some cases i do not believe that it is generally true i bought a saturn sl in january of 92 at that time based on studying car prices i decided that there was no comparable car that was priced as cheaply as the saturn sure maybe i could have talked the price for some other car to the saturn price but my out of pocket expenses wouldnt have been any different whats important to me is how much money i have left after i buy the car reducing dealer profit is not the same thing as saving money show me how reducing dealer profit saves me money and ill believe that its important my experience has been that reducing dealer profit does not necessarily save me money fred say you bought your saturn at 13k with a dealer profit of 2k if the dealer profit is 1000 then you would only be paying 12k for the same car so isnt that saving money moreover if saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by 1000 then their cars will be even better deals say if the price of a saturn was already 1000 below market average for the class of cars then after they reduce the dealer profit it would be 2000 below market average it will 1 attract even more people to buy saturns because it would save them money 2 force the competitors to lower their prices to survive now not only will saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit even the buyers for other cars will pay less isnt that saving money 0 02 doug cars re rfi art of clutchless shifting im not familiar with the trannies used in winston cup but in the trans am cars ive played with the transmissions were the racing variety with dog clutches instead of sychros in a transmission with dog clutches the gears are always engaged with each other and moving the dog clutches engages the gears to the shafts motorcycle transmissions are the same way shifting without the clutch on a transmission with syncros can and will cause transmission damage the only question being how long it takesto grenade something for the trans in my 87 pulsar se it was about 3 5k miles but it had a weak tranny in the first place just out of curiosity how is this dog clutch any different from a synchro transmission what you described sounds the same to me in fact what little ive studied on trannies the instructor referred to the synchros as dogs and said they were synonymous the gears are always meshed in a synchronized gearbox and you slip the synchro gears back and forth by shifting or at least that is what i was taught explain por favour motorcycle transmissions dont have synchros the engagment dogs are very corse and sloppy there are maybe 6 10 teeth dogs on the side of the gears that engage the next gear over as the forks slide the gears back and forth to shift start to apply pressure at the same time the clutch is pulled the clutch is a hand lever and shift quickly if you try a slow lazy shift it will grind you just have to pop it into the next gear before it has a chance to grind there isnt a neutral between gears obviously there is but you cant select it with the shifter so double clutching is not a possibility speed shifting which is what i have always heard clutchless shifting called works pretty well for upshifts with some practice but i usually use the clutch especially for the lower gears i think auto as in automobile trannys are similar except that the engagment dogs are very fine with no slop and the addition of syncho rings the gear teeth are always engaged in auto transmissions that are synchronized but may not be in non synchro gears reverse and sometimes first frank ball 1ur m frankb sad hp com 707 794 4168 work hewlett packard 707 794 3844 fax 707 538 3693 home 1212 valley house drive it175 xt350 seca 750 62 f 100 pl510 rohnert park ca 94928 4999 kc6wug law ama dod 7566 im the nra cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article c5hqj0 57 unix amherst edu bhtulin unix amherst edu barak h tulin writes i just started reading this thread today so forgive me if it has already been mentioned but what was the deal with renaults putting the horn on the left hand turn signal stalk it was a button on the end where the washer button would be on the wiper washer stalk could the frenchies not figure out the wiring through the steering wheel or what well before we start calling the engineering folks in france a bunch of braindeads for this my 1979 mercury capri had this lovely feature this was not the earlier german variant but the newer one that was identical to the mustang of current fame i cant tell you how many times this feature pissed me off come to think of it my brothers zepher had this as well robert dilmore dilmore cray com going back to an earlier thread imagine having to turn left shift gears flash a stray driver in the intersection with your left hand high beam on the headlight stalk and after the driver wouldnt move having to honk the horn on the left hand stalk gives me the heebie jeebies barak guns re boston gun buy back mpetro brtph126 bnr ca myron petro p030 writes ron miller wrote when you ask the question of the authorities or sponsors of buyback programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer no its total amnesty good point about registration schemes being used only for harassment deleted i would also like to point out that this is receiving stolen property and is no different than a pawn shop owner doing the same thing myron petro nra uspsa dvc yall the opinions included in this post are my sole responsibility and are protected by the first amendment and guarnteed by the second amendment an interesting idea consider at any locality where a buy back program is being instituted get a list of guns they received and compare serial numbers with a list of stolen guns and sue the people responsible for the program if those guns were destroyed criminal charges can also be made receiving stolen property destruction of private property etc guns re with friends like these l neil smith papresco undergrad math uwaterloo ca paul prescod writes some guns will get through but far fewer and far less people will die because of them do you have any statistical evidence to back you claim that requires another limitation of the citizenry freedom steve podleski phone 216 433 4000 nasa lewis research center cleveland ohio 44135 email pspod hooch lerc nasa gov baseball re the 1964 phillies deja vu robert c hite philly bach udel edu wrote i think most of the problems mainly arose from manager gene mauchs ineptitude in managing the pitching staff down the stretch he abused jim bunning chris short and robin roberts i think those are the three pitching each on only 2 days rest for quite some time by the time they hit the last 2 weeks of the season obviously none of these guys had an ounce left in their arm oh well roberts was long gone he was probably an oriole in 1964 or maybe a colt 45 the 3rd starter was art mahaffey the previous years ace dennis bennett was the 4th starter they were indeed 6 5 up with 12 to go but they won their final two games after the horrid 10 loss streak the final game victory bunnings 19th win if memory serves kept the reds from tying for the title they and the phils were both 1 game behind the cards with the giants another game back the mets couldnt hold an early lead against the cards that final sunday or there would have been a 3 way tie too bad they couldnt have saved some of the 15 or so runs they scored on saturday when they crushed st louis neal traven pitt edu youre only young once but you can be traven vms cis pitt edu immature forever larry andersen cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article 1993apr15 223029 23340 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article c5jnk3 jkt news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes wasnt the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver so he could see where he was backing up although reverse lights on the sides no reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up they arent bright enough to typically see by without the brake and tail lights i dont know where you live but i couldnt get out of my driveway at night without reverse lights as someone said out in the country you notice neat little things like stars and the difference between day and night at night around my house which is amongst a forest of rather tall oaks it is dark except for nights with full moons reverse lights illuminate my path very well when backing up i greatly prefer cars with them to cars without operational reverse lights james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven religion re a kind and loving god in article 1993apr22 203851 3081 nntpd2 cxo dec com bittrolff evans enet dec com writes in article 1993apr20 143754 643 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee writes btw david koresh was not jesus christ as he claimed how can you tell for sure three days havent passed yet well where is he another false messiah shot down in flames matthew 24 4 watch out that no one deceives you for many will come in my name claiming i am the christ and will deceive many matthew 24 23 at that time if anyone says to you look here is the christ or there he is do not believe it for false christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect if that were possible see i have told you ahead of time do we listen sadly not all of us do peace be with you and condolences to the families of those lost at waco malcolm lee steve bittrolff the previous is my opinion and is shared by any reasonably intelligent person windows quicken 6 vs tobias managing your money i just got a copy of tobias managing your money v9 0 i have quicken 6 and its wonderful for some things but mym seems to have some features that q6 doesnt for example q6 doesnt seem to be able to handle monthly automatic deductions from a checking account you know a monthly payment that gets electronically deducted every month from my checking account or is there something that im not doing right and q6 can actually do that anyway mym seems to be able to handle monthly deductions in fact it can apparently do better than that that is you can specify monthly bimonthly quarterly even yearly anyway is anyone aware of a comparitive study of the two programs or can someone just give me their own personal impressions maybe someone who has used both or maybe someone who is familiar with each could give me a capsule review anything would be greatly appreciated if i keep mym i have to pay for it and i dont know whether its worth doing if mym is better than q6 of course i will keep it but if q6 can do everything mym can do maybe even better i wont thanks all if you post a reply please also cc me thanks medicine re quack quack was re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction ken isis cns caltech edu writes i dont know the first thing about yeast infections but i am a scientist no scientist would take your statement no convincing empirical evidence to support the existence of systemic yeast syndrome to tell you anything except an absence of data on the question the burden of proof rests upon those who claim the existence of this syndrome to date these claims are unsubstantiated by any available data hopefully as a scientist you would take issue with anyone overstating their conclusions based upon their data beasties with present methods even if they were there noring and the fellow from oklahoma sorry forgot your name have also suggested one set of anecdotal evidence in favor based on their personal experiences namely that when people with certain conditions are given anti fungals many of them appear to get better gee i have many interesting and enlightening anecdotes about myself my friends and my family but in the practice of medicine i expect and demand more rigorous rationales for basing therapy than aunt susies brother in law anecdotal evidence may provide inspiration for a hypothesis but rarely proves anything in a positive sense and unlike mathematics boolean logic rarely applies directly to medical issues and so evidence of exceptions does not usually disprove but rather modifies current concepts of disease so if you have any evidence against the hypothesis for example controlled double blind studies showing that the anti fungals dont do any better than sugar water then lets hear it if you dont then what we have is anecdotal and uncontrolled evidence on one side and abject disbelief on the other in which case please there is no point in yelling back and forth at each other any longer since neither side has any convincing evidence either positive or negative i would characterize it not as abject disbelief but rather scientific outrage over vastly overstated conclusions it appears to me the main question now is whether the proponents can marshall enough anecdotal evidence in a convincing and documented enough manner to make a good case for carrying out a good controlled double blind study of antifungals or else forget convincing anybody else to carry out the test just carry it out themselves and also whether they can adequately define the patient population or symptoms on which such a study should be carried out to provide a fair test of the hypothesis i have no problem with such an approach but this is not what is happening in the trenches of this diagnosis bob schmieg medicine re menangitis question in article c4nzn6 mzx crdnns crd ge com brooksby brigham nosubdomain nodomain glen w brooksby writes this past weekend a friend of mine lost his 13 month old daughter in a matter of hours to a form of menangitis the person informing me called it nicereal meningicocis sp in retrospect the disease struck her probably sometime on friday evening and she passed away about 2 30pm on saturday the symptoms seemed to be a rash that started small and then began progressing rapidly she began turning blue eventually which was the tip off that this was serious but by that time it was too late this is all second hand info my question is is this an unusual form of menangitis how is it transmitted how does it work ie how does it kill so quickly there are many organisms viral bacterial and fungal which can cause meningitits and the course of these infections varies widely the causes of bacterial meningitis vary with age in adults pneumococcus the same organism which causes pneumococcal pneumonia is the most common cause while in children hemophilus influenzae is the most common cause what you are describing is meningitis from neisseria meningitidis which is the second most common cause of bacterial meningitis in both groups but with lower incidence in infants this organism is also called the meningococcus and is the source of the common epidemics of meningitis that occur and are popularized in the press without prompt treatment and even with it in some cases the organism typically causes death within a day this organism feared as it is is actually grown from the throats of many normal adults it can get to the meninges by different ways but blood borne spread is probably the usual case rifampin an oral antibiotic is often given to family and contacts of a case of meningococcal meningitis by the way sorry but i dont have time for a more detailed reply meningitis is a huge topic and sci med cant do it justice km baseball tigers pound mariners were they palying football or baseball in detroit on saturday from looking at the school some people may think it was football between two games this week the tigers scored 40 runs the offense can carry them i hope the pitching will hold out i was at camden yards yesterday everytime i looked up the score was getting higher what a great site it was to see the tigers kicking butt while enjoying a game at camden yards go tigers and go tony phillips medicine re homeopathy a respectable medical tradition in article c5qmjj yb ampex com jag ampex com rayaz jagani writes from miranda castro the complete homeopathy handbook isbn 0 312 06320 2 oringinally published in britain in 1990 from page 10 and in 1946 when the national health service was established homeopathy was included as an officially approved method of treatment i was there in 1976 i suppose it must have died out since 1946 then certainly i never heard of any homeopaths or herbalists in the employ of the nhs perhaps the law codified it but the authorities refused to hire any homeopaths a similar law in the us allows chiropractors to practice in va hospitals but ive never seen one there and i dont know of a single va that has hired a chiropractor there are a lot of britons on the net so someone should be able to tell us if the nhs provides homeopaths for you gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars re warning please read mchaffee dcl nxt07 michael t chaffee writes be valued in terms of money because they are human beings i submit that they are not human beings such submissions have been made before e g regarding jews in article 1993apr21 042234 23924 nuscc nus sg matmcinn nuscc nus sg matthew macintyre at the national university of senegal writes absolutely a scratch on my car bothers me more than the death of any number of scum all of you feel the same way you just wont admit it when are people going to realise that the mere fact that a piece of flesh moves and has the approximate shape of a human being does not in itself mean that it has rights all you dirty harry types eager to pull a gun on some scum guilty of scratching your stupid painted metal boxes on wheels have you ever killed a human to speak so lightly about such matters sergei religion re question for those with popular morality in article 1993apr02 025636 23256 microsoft com bobsarv microsoft com bob sarver writes why would it be immoral to hurt someone else me because you wouldnt want it to happen to you hudson why does that make something immoral because you are not being consistent moral systems must be consistent a person who thinks they can inflict pain on others but doesnt want it inflicted upon themselves has a double standard and double standards are a violation of any moral system me morality defines how we interact with other people the rules that we use to guide our daily affairs our conduct towards our fellow man by realizing that we dont like pain we can also realize that other people dont like it either hudson of course we dont like pain i dont like brussel sprouts are brussel sprouts immoral pain isnt immoral stupid pain itself is just a physiological reaction what is immoral is subjecting unwilling individuals to pain or brussel sprouts for that matter hudson is it immoral to produce these same chemical reactions in a test tube me it isnt the chemical reaction that is wrong bozo its making the human being undergo the effects of the chemical reaction sorry your cute little analogy didnt survive for very long under scrutiny hudson why would it be wrong to make humans undergo the effects of the reactions if humans are composed only of matter what humans are composed of isnt the qualifying criteria of whether or not something would be wrong hudson is it wrong to make matter undergo chemical reactions yes if it is sentient matter me nature is not a sentient force there is no choice involved therefore no question of morality hudson i actually heard a geologist entertain the notion that matter had a will there is some sentient force out there fine i have also heard that the government is encoding the dna for a new race of superhumans in ordinary drinking water whats your point hudson if humans are made only of matter then choices are also chemical reactions so why is choice an important issue and if that is the case then god is only an idea contained in the minds of people formed of matter and on printed pages also formed of matter and does not really exist i can do the argumentem ad absurdium just as well as you can but it wont prove any points for you or me got anything relevant you want to talk about or are you just playing cute little games windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 1993may14 210055 25497 klaava helsinki fi jliukkon klaava helsinki fi juha matti liukkonen writes let me pose a question how many ms dos users are out there who have no access to the net but would probably find this feature useful too ie your suggestion implies that microsoft is relying on the shareware or pd products to fill the gaps on dos or did i misunderstand your statement shareware is available from the net magazines distributors clubs friends and bulletin boards i dont think people have any problems getting hold of it fill gaps in dos theres no need for many people dos 5 provides more services than i need as it is i just run windows on top of it btw my windows must be an operating system it provides a disk operating system that dos cant access nfs thomas beagle thomas datamark co nz work 64 4 233 8186 o technical writer thomas cavebbs welly gen nz home 64 4 499 3832 wellington nz long ears make good handles guns re ban all firearms in article 1993apr14 184448 2331 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes if alcohol were again banned today it would be much more difficult to manage a large scale smuggling operation the cops now rank just a narrow notch below the military in communications intelligence gathering and firepower proof by assertion i love it uh please explain why the smugglers do not also rank a notch below or above the military in terms of communications intelligence gathering e g why fight officials when you can bribe them ill give you a hundred grand to let that semi past and firepower in a similar vein the amount of marijuana smuggled into this country has greatly decreased this is because its value per pound is very low when compared to cocaine or heroin its simply not worth the risk its uneconomical now most reefer is domestic there is less pressure on the domestic producer showy raids notwithstanding and thus it is economical of note though domestic reefer is now very strong so a small volume goes a long way you cannot make alcohol stronger than 200 proof not a good dollar pound deal whats the point here youre arguing that the black market works which it does of course firearms tend to fall into this low dollar pound area this is the wrong way to quantify things the smuggler would be concerned about value cubic foot go to a gun show and price out a crate of good quality handguns it would not be economic to smuggle them in all production would have to be local there are not all that many people whats local who have both the skill and motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch high ranking crime figures could what is a worthwhile firearm hell anything that works go get yourself a copy of the armys 1969 improvised munitions manual see how easy it is to make a functional firearm obtain imported uzis and such but the average person and average thug would be lucky to get a zip gun and would pay through the nose for it if paying 10 for inconspicuous parts at the local k mart is through the nose drew betz gozer idbsu edu brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho when you outlaw rights only outlaws will have rights spook fodder fema nsa clinton gore insurrection nsc semtex neptunium terrorist cia mi5 mi6 kgb deuterium guns re guns amex and new name thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes remember me tom i hope youll respond and i seem to be a voice of reason or some such ive been recieving fan mail so naturally my ego is somehwat inflated of late and hope to make a few points here i have never spoken for a ban against guns in america what ive said is that there seems to be to many of them and especially to many in wrong hands and our argument is that you cannot remove them from the people who need restricting and not remove them from the people who dont a fairly simple problem given our size and numbers do you agree we all believe criminals particularly violent criminals should not have firearms the problem is making a law that does this without trodding upon the rights of the vast majority nobody here seems to be able to do it and i doubt anybody in norway can either thus we are left with a philosophical difference does the safety of a few justify restricting the many we say no while others say yes now if you would like to reduce the number how would you do it without affecting good responcible gun owners can you provide a method that cannot be abused i doubt it i do believe in a persons freedom what i dont believe is that you can have it all and dont pay for it of course this is not in contention what is in contention is how much one has to pay most europeans believe in a society of individuals and that you have to give a little to make that society work it is this giving a little that makes americans wary we have seen this argument before you might remember how a chamberlain gave a little to a particular fascist short asshole and how such appeasement worked while it might work in some instances it doesnt work in others and since we cannot predict the future we must be cautious in using actions that have a history of failure cars and guns should really not be mixed i just tried to make a point like america norway has some spaces you have to cross to get from a to b so a car is essential in most parts guns on the other hand are not essential in norway so we dont argue that if we banned guns we have to ban cars cars are not essential in norway any more than they are in the usa im willing to bet that you have neighbors that would be willing to drive you anywhere you wanted to go for a price thus cars are not essential for your transportation however the arguments presented show that since cars are used to kill far more people than guns in the usa it makes much more sense to restrict cars than it does guns how one defines essential often depends upon what one is willing to go through for that service when we look at the raw data such comparisons are not individually weighed everyone who believe that hitler and ww2 could be avoided if there were more guns in germany in the 30s please read some history this depends upon what the populace was willing to do as desert storm proved even an armed populace wont just revolt even when given a chance still would hitler have done all that he did with an armed populace we have to wonder as some of his first acts were to confiscate firearms other points in history show that dictators were overthrown by arms in the hands of the populace thus were left wondering if hitler would have been overthrown or if king george was just unlucky in keeping the usa as a colony one can argue both sides one also has to live with each action is this discussion about 1 banning weapons for all americans or 2 making it harder for criminals to get one it is about 2 but so far all proposals to curtail 2 have wound up enforcing 1 as well i only wish that or was so logical change of name that was on my part purely in jest i merely pointed out how we were from similar backgrounds racially but of wholly different backgrounds politically i thought this would underscore my point on how our cultures were so different despite similar heritage did the batf get the warrant for a gun search only or was there other reasons child abuse for instance batf can only enforce gun tobaccco alcohol violations child abuse is a matter for the individual states and local authorities doesnt the people reading this newsgroup have access to the clari news hierarcy some seems rather mis uninformed that hierarchy is a paid for feed at many sites most people do not get it for this reason and i suspect money not censorship is the main reason do you get alt sex at your site i cant read it here because of censorship and legal fears so again our differences show you have topless sunbathing and in the usa we can watch a murder every fifteen seconds and yet breasts are forbidden on television dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 1993apr23 152549 8169 starbase trincoll edu writes in article 1r5rnn rdt usenet ins cwru edu bu008 cleveland freenet edu perhaps youve been under a rock the last few days the batf and the fbi are both federal agencies clinton has admitted in front of news cameras that janet reno the once and future attorney general gave him a full briefing of what was planned before they did it and he gave her the go ahead maybe just possibly that makes him a teensy bit responsible perhaps youve been under a rock since say the turn of the century how in the is one man supposed to review every single freaking governmental action every day thats why we have an executive branch he reviewed the plan and said go but he wasnt the architect and he wasnt there bullhorn in hand implementing it yes he was responsible in the sense that he was briefed so what shit happens hey joe assuming youre old enough to remember it how did you feel about presidential responsibility every time reagan said i dont recall about his arms for hostages meetings with the ollie north gang how did you feel about it when bush said he was out of the loop on that decision when he was right there in the thick of it oh right he was responsible in the sense that he was briefed but so what shit happens is that what you said joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet baseball re torre the worst manager gt0523e prism gatech edu michael andre mule writes in article 93095 hydra gatech edu gt7469a prism gatech edu brian r landmann writes e later in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts lankford a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses luis alicea a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter what the helll is he thinking if memory serves me well alicea hit it and damn near tied the game torre obviously knows his players better than you do not to mention that lankford had been hurt two nights before running into the outfield wall this being the reason he was available to pinch anything his ribs were the problem so he could run but not hit torre is no white rat but give him credit for what he is a pretty darn good manager with the exception of the felix fiasco but im not sure whos brainchild that was bil cardinals mailing list anyone anyone please baseball re mlb standings and scores for fri apr 16th 1993 in article 1qmj6h m5h agate berkeley edu jtchern ocf berkeley edu joseph hernandez writes houston astros 1 seattle mariners 1 montreal expos 2 toronto blue jays 3 new york mets 3 oakland athletics 2 colorado rockies 5 detroit tigers 3 pittsburgh pirates 5 kansas city royals 5 san diego padres 4 13 new york yankees 4 st louis cardinals 4 cleveland indians 3 los angeles dodgers 2 boston red sox 4 13 atlanta braves 1 california angels ppd san francisco giants 6 milwaukee brewers rain this leads me to believe that its not really a rabbitball year and that weve just had a rash of high scoring games i bet this one days worth of games pulled everything back to close to average interesting because the other day all but three games had ten or more runs scored and yesterday no game had more than nine ted frank thf2 kimbark uchicago edu im sorry the card says moops the u of c law school standard disclaimers windows anyone use number 9 gxe video card has anyone used the number nine 9 video graphics adaptor with windows or windows nt what do you think 2 c cars re its a rush was re too fast still its amazing in germany you can have cars traveling 155 mph and 65 mph on the same 3 to 4 lane road around washington dc they cant keep traffic flowing at 55 germans are just more organised you cant blitz all of europe in a matter of what 9 months unless youre pretty organised if we tried that thered just be a whole bunch of tanks backed up at the border waiting for some jerk in the right lane trying to get over to make a left turn this of course caused germany to invade belgium one of the important lessons of history is that anything including late afternoon thundershowers will cause germany to invade belgium dave barry happy motoring jmr 93 sl2 blue green hes the most inventive asshole ive ever met he really puts a lot of energy into it guns re statement of sarah brady regarding texas state carrying concealed legislation in a previous article nigel allen canrem com nigel allen says here is a press release from handgun control inc statement of sarah brady regarding texas state carrying concealed legislation to state desk contact susan whitmore of handgun control inc 202 898 0792 washington march 25 following is a statement of sarah brady regarding texas state carrying concealed legislation a handful of lawmakers in austin today have told the public that their safety is of less importance than the interests of the national rifle association this action comes as local state and federal law enforcement officials continue their stand off with a religious cult that has highlighted the need for tougher gun laws not weaker ones like the carry concealed bill a handful of anti gun zealots are telling the public that their right to self defense is of less importance than the interests of handgun control inc this action comes as local state and federal law enforcement officials continue their assault on the branch davidian compound an assault which has already resulted in the death of one two year old child at the hands of federal agents this has highlighted the need for citizens to be able to defend themselves and their children against the excesses of their own government any suggestion by proponents that this bill will help to reduce crime is a distortion of the facts at best this so called crime fighting law has resulted in a 16 percent increase in violent crime in the state of florida and i have never heard law enforcement officials bragging that more guns on the streets is the way to reduce crime any suggestion by opponents that this bill will increase crime is a distortion of the facts at best the aggressive outreach by officials in central florida to train and arm women has led to a dramatic drop in the level of assault and rape in that area of course this program is a rare gem as many law enforcement officials apparently believe that an unarmed citizenry will be easier to control and thus favor tighter restrictions the vote today is an insult to the law enforcement officials who are putting their lives on the line every day to end the standoff in waco the entire country now knows just how easy it is for an individual bent on destruction to amass an arsenal of weapons texas lawmakers who voted for this concealed handgun bill have shown total disregard for those law officials on the front lines and the families of those who have fallen the vote today is a tribute to the good sense of the public at large who are putting their lives on the line every day as they go about their lawful affairs the entire country knows how vulnerable the average citizen is both to attacks from criminals and from armed assault by our own police texas lawmakers who voted for this concealed handgun bill have shown total understanding for those innocent law abiding citizens on the front lines and the families of those who have fallen i urge the house of representatives to listen to the 70 percent of texans that oppose this measure and reject this ill conceived legislation i urge the house of representatives to pay attention to the needs of their constituents and not be stampeded by ill conceived arguments from ideological fanatics 30 nigel allen toronto ontario nigel allen canrem com canada remote systems toronto ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044 aint propaganda fun the opinions expressed by the author are insightful intelligent and very carefully thought out it is therefore unlikely that they are shared by the university of iowa or case western reserve university medicine we can supply you with the transplantants other the private scietific industrial firm intercom 2000 can supply you with the transplantants that could be delivered according to your order selection and preparation of the materials is carried out by the qualified personnel having 20 year experience in this sphere we provide immunological selection of tissues on the special request aids syphilis other infection diseases tests bio chemical tests we guarantee deliverance of our products within temperature habital providing their prime condition o yarosha st 39 apart 49 kharkov ukraine tel 7 057 2 323177 fax 7 057 2 431651 231192 e mail tuser azbuka kharkov ua relay ussr eu net cars re ford probe opinions centered around the gt in article 1993apr20 124228 5357 ncsu edu chuck eos ncsu edu chuck kesler writes jeremy g mereness zonker cmu edu says can anyone offer any opinions of the ford probe ala how they do in the long run repair records reliability mileage etc some other owners on the ford probe world std com mailing list have commented about this problem but i havent seen it happen on my 3 month old 93 probe gt i think this may be something that ford has corrected since the initial batch of cars also someone said that ford has issued a service bulletin to inform dealers about how to correct this problem so you may be able to get your dealer to fix it i have had my probe looked at twice by my local dealer where i purchased the car the first time they made this problem worse the second time after advising them of the service bulletin mentioned on my ford probe mailing list they said they didnt know of the bulletin they adjusted the window and made it much better however it now makes a scritch scritch noise on rough roads and still squeals when i open close the window in wet weather anyone elsess do this ford only gives 1 key with the car cmon ford spend an extra few pennies i got two keys with my car but only one remote entry push button thingie but then i bought my 93 with 2500 miles and i think it may have been a repossession so im not surprised something was missing horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center personal preference i am seriously considering following the advice in the owners manual where it describes the procedure to follow if you discover something on your ford that could cause serious injury threaten lives etc something about notifying the national traffic safety group as well as ford those little youve got to position the fingers perfectly to make it beep buttons are terrible the latter is probably because of the air bag its pretty much takes up all the space where youd expect to find the horn speaking of the horn i was surprised to find that the probe comes with one of those nice merican sounding horns instead of the japanese sounding kind the previous probes had japanese horns well i guess thats good in a way but in a way its bad when someone hears that kind of horn they expect to see a big american car they may not associate the sound with a small jap car style car like the probe is tires fling dirt mud onto side of car yeah not very badly but enough to be annoying sometimes the mudflaps help a lot transmission the 5 speed is a must i have always been a 5 speed guy almost every car ive ever owned has been a 5 speed because i got a good deal on this car with the 2500 miles i knowingly overlooked the fact that it has an automatic but it is a pretty high tech automatic it is a fully electronicaly controlled 4 speed with torque converter lockup even with the automatic im getting 35 mpg on the highway driving 65 70 but of course driving 65 is illegal so i probably made that sentence up around town the mileage has been around 25 27 not bad for an automatic of course it doesnt have the control of a 5 speed but since i do a lot of city driving it turns out to be very convenient its nice to be able to drink a cup of coffee and drive at the same time although that too is illegal here in we like to control your life massachusetts no shake rattle noises when going over bumps potholes still shakes and rattles has been my main gripe ive gotten them to fix the worst of them but i fear that with the rather harsh ride the car will be a virtual potpouri of rattles when it gets older tires 225 55vr16 goodyear eagles 70 left hoping for 30k on my 89 probe gl i got about 40k out of the original goodyears and had driven the replacement tires bridgestone 50k miles when i tradeed the car the 195 65 60 vr14 firestones on my 93 probe look like theyre designed for performance ie rather wide shallow tread etc so they probably wont last as long but the car handles very very very well it sticks to the road like glue even on a rough surface interior is very very nice too very pleasing to the eye and ergonomically sound definitely ford mazda did a very very nice job on this one the car has a much more expensive than it actually is look and feel to it yes this cars stiff suspension isnt for everyone i personally like it but if you find it a little harsh but otherwise like the car id strongly suggest looking into the mx 6 having driven an 89 probe for 4 years i find the 93 suspension interesting the car actually drives much better than the 89 it is a very firm ride and you definitely know about each and every bump in the road yet the car remains very civilized on even the bumpiest roads you hear and feel the bumps yet the car retains its posture very well if you have 3 passengers by all means bring them along too theyll find that they have no room in the back and youll find that the car rides differently if thats better is up to you well i wouldnt encourage passenger carrying in the probe unless the person in the front seat likes to sit with his knees to the dash as mentioned in the consumer reports write ups consider the back seat as a parcel shelf no biggie to me though if it had been id not have bought the car but its definitely not a family car also theres a lot of glass around you which i wasnt expecting the temperature inside the car gets pretty hot in the summer a c is a must on any probe from 89 93 the 93 in particular sends out a real blast of cool air when the ac is on max that lots of glass you mentioned is what gives the car the very good visibility reports you see in all the write ups most sports sporty cars dont have that good visibility ive heard that the exhaust system has trouble but mine works fine i havent heard about this one i know that some of the very early probes 89 and maybe 90 had problems with prematurely rusting mufflers which the complaints ive heard re exhaust system on 93s have been on the gt of course being a different engine that is a differeent exhaust system i was one of those with an 89 who qualified for the free replacement since i had already replaced the muffler when i received the notice i was am due a refund from ford i applied in february and am still waiting gave me a free rental car for the day and a half that i was without my car i was quite happy with the way they handled especially considering that i was expecting the worst from them yes i was pretty amazed when i had my car in for some touch up adjustments this past week and they had to keep it overnight too busy for them to get to it and they offered to pay for a rental they did make me pay for taxes and insurance though from what ive heard it sounds like ford mazda had some qc problems with the probe and probably mx 6 when they first went into production but i think these problems have mostly been corrected at this point thats almost always to be expected with a completely new car like this though i have to agree that they seem to have some qc problesm but i seriously feel the car design is sound and expect it to do very well bill heiser heiser acs bu edu heiser world std com boston university boston ma windows re wp pcf linux risc in article 1qu8ud 2hd sunb ocs mq edu au eugene mpce mq edu au writes in article c5o1yq m34 csie nctu edu tw ghhwang csie nctu edu tw ghhwang writes dear friend the risc means reduced instruction set computer the risc usually has small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase the clock rate to have a high performance you can read some books about computer architecture for more information about risc hmm not that i am an authority on risc but i clearly remember reading that the instruction set on risc cpus is rather large the difference is in addressing modes risc instruction sets are not as orthogonal is cisc i hope this will clear it up taken from one of my lecture notes the alternative approach to cisc which has been adopted by many in recent years has come to be known as risc the reduced instruction set computer this can be characterised simply as simpler is faster by simplifying the design e g by reducing the variety of instructions addressing modes the hardware can be designed to run faster even at the cost of needing more instructions the same task can be done more quickly by the simpler faster design a typical risc processor will o provide a large number of registers e g 32 o perform all data operations on registers o provide few addressing modes e g immediate or register offset o only allow load store operations to access memory o only use a few instruction formats o only support a few data types e g integer unsigned floating steffi beckhaus janet steffi beckhaus uk ac newcastle if the odds are a million to one against something occurring chances are 50 50 it will baseball re cubs expos roster questions in article 15apr199312304021 pavo concordia ca m klein pavo concordia ca corelmark wrote in article 0096b0f0 c5de05a0 msu oscs montana edu alird msu oscs montana edu writes in article 1993apr15 003015 1 vmsb is csupomona edu cvadrnlh vmsb is csupomona edu writes today 4 14 cubs activated p mike harkey from dl whom did they move to make room for harkey also are delino deshields john wetteland of the expos on the dl thanks for anyone who can give me more info ken cal poly pomona wetteland is on the dl effective march 26 or something like that rick the cubs sent boskie to iowa to make room for harkey jeff eastman jaeastman anl gov medicine re lithium questions doctor wants my 10 year old on it in article 93121 120223rfm psuvm psu edu rfm psuvm psu edu writes someone writes i have a 10 year old son that lives with my ex wife she has been having difficulty with his behavior and has had him on ritalin tofranil and now wants to try lithuim at the local doctors suggestion i would like to know whatever is important that i should know i worry about this sort of thing and would like pros cons regarding lithium therapy i get antsy about posts like this is the concern more for son or about ex w ife the standard impartial procedure is to ask for a second opinion about sons condition then too is son acting out games between divorced parents precisely one wonders what unusual strain the boy might be under that could be causing difficulty with his behavior standard practice would be to get a second opinion from a child psychiatrist one would want to rule out the possibility that the bad behavior is not psychiatric illness at all disclaimer i am not a medic but i am a parent michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi guns abc confirms two points of fbis version well the question of why fire equipment took so long to reach the compound has been answered abc aired a report including the 911 tapes from monday the fbi called 911 within 4 minutes of the fires breakout unfortunately dispatch of vehicles outside the waco city limits required approval of a deputy chief who was not available literally out to lunch the 911 operator desperately called around to local community volunteer fire departments to get something out there by the time trucks arrived 27 minutes later the whole complex was aflame and it was clearly too little too late there were just two pumpers and no water supply the fbi made another call requesting a tank truck but the waco department apparently depended on hydrants and did not have one though clearly unwilling to risk firemens lives in the line of fire it seems they might have done so had there been sufficient equipment and water to make a difference they even aired a tape of a woman who called waco 911 from georgia asking if anything was being done civic minded but probably irresponsible if everyone watching television did that no local calls could get through abc also aired the comments of an independent fire investigator who viewed tapes from more than one side of the compound not just the standard pool shot and agreed that the fire a must have been started in at least 3 places and b must have had an accelerant to spread so fast neither of these is conclusive proof that the koresh crowd offed themselves more than the fbi offed them but its a heck of a lot stronger proof than some of the theories floating around the net score 2 fbi 0 branch davidians or is that 89 branch davidians the koresh cult standoff is over may his victims recquiescat in pace the above is a net moment of silence daniel a hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask me about rotaract windows re some info the dos msw meltdown is progressing nicely mfraioli grebyn com marc fraioli writes messina netcom com tony porczyk writes ajayshah almaak usc edu ajay shah writes the preferred applications development platform 1992 1993 unix 18 28 dos msw 24 18 development of what in house apps maybe but certainly not apps to be sold on an open market statistics like that are laughable actually you might be surprised to find that not everyone who develops mainstream dos and windows apps develops them under dos or windows pc week recently printed a rumor that microsofts excel development group does its development under os 2 if you believe that i have a nice piece for swamp for you for re development microsoft does even its techpubs under windows another trade rag did an article recently about a group doing windows development on sun sparcstations with softpc to test out their work that wasnt geo works was it dos and windows are simply not robust or stable enough for development work imho and apparently others agree nonsense sorry i make fun of windows all the time but the above is simply a myth tell that to microsoft novell and others who dominate the market t baseball re my belated predictions nl well as long as folks are sharing their esteemed wisdom lil karnak sez al west al east nl west nl east 1 chicago 1 toronto 1 atlanta 1 st louis 2 texas 2 new york 2 cincinnati 2 montreal 3 minnesota 3 baltimore 3 houston 3 new york 4 oakland 4 boston 4 los angeles 4 philadelphia 5 seattle 5 detroit 5 san diego 5 pittsburgh 6 kansas city 6 milwaukee 6 san fran 6 chicago 7 california 7 cleveland 7 colorado 7 florida details to follow later pick it apart as you like also if anyone is still taking entries for prediction pools contests could you snag mine and add it to the list thanks im just glad its opening day makes up a little bit for the gloom doom weather patterns here lundy dave hung like a jim acker slider kirsch blue jays do it again in 93 kirsch staff tc umn edu new quotes out of context not to beat a dead horse but its been a couple o weeks this disappoints me punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence baseball re john franco in article 1993apr23 174759 182922 zeus calpoly edu jplee cymbal calpoly edu jason lee writes whats with john franco the mets are hardly using him dont worry this is a perfectly normal state of affairs had they actually been using him you should be worried i heard he was completely recovered but now im not so sure hes recovered totally from his injury thats why hes not pitching so he can rest his arm enough that he can get injured again pitching on 38 days rest and then have fun dining in the diamond club in shea stadium while ay struggles every day out there if there is anybody out there with information about franco i would appreciate it if you could drop me a line ive be quite happy to drop john franco just the same bring back randy myers no better make that bring back neil allen jason lee jplee oboe calpoly edu jlee cash busfac calpoly edu sf giants e i pi 1 0 the most beautiful equation in mathematics magic for all sad words of tongue and pen the saddest are these number it might have been john greenleaf whittier 148 jason a miller some doctor guy tanana 1 0 1 50 cars re squeekin windows arlen r martin arm1 cbnewsm cb att com wrote consumer reports once wrote about the s 10 blazer that it shook and rattled like a tired taxi cab there is one noise that is expecially irritating the back window squeaks i believe its because the whole tailgate assembly and window are not solid anyway has anyone had the same problem and have you found any fixes i can relate to this ive tried everything on my 86 greasing every point wd40 etc grease on the two cheap hinges on the tailgate seems to quiet it down for a time until the grease works out of the hinges hinge pins appear to be made out of 16 penny nails another vibration seems to get worse with age and that is a vibration in the transmission in 4th gear my s10 has 59k miles on it i bought it new treated it very easily no fast off road stuff cant gm build chevies like they used to ford explorers look nice until you look at the price jim burrill guns the real reason politicians want guns confiscated politicians want to eliminate private ownership of guns before the general public starts violently resisting the tax increases needed to fund the federal government as an ever higher percentage of tax revenue goes to pay interest on the national debt currently 57 cents out of every tax dollar collected and rising dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com im beginning to look forward to reaching the 100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt at that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds windows corrected microcal origin package uploaded to cica ive recently re uploaded to cica the current v2 8 version of the working model of microcal origin a scientific and technical 2d 3d graphics and data analysis package for windows 3 x the working model is 2d only and puts a promo message on hardcopies but is largely identical to the full version saving origin files is disabled but you can save ascii data sets produced with origin it also says it has an expiration date of sept 1 1993 try it you may like it as i do its currently at ftp cica indiana edu 129 79 20 17 in the directory pub pc win3 uploads as origin2 zip the file origin zip is unfortunately incomplete sorry bout that include std disclaimer tom carter carter photon cem msu edu michigan state university carter msucem bitnet chemistry department medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr14 122647 16364 tms390 micro ti com david tms390 micro ti com david thomas writes in article 13apr199308003715 delphi gsfc nasa gov packer delphi gsfc nasa gov charles packer writes is there such a thing as msg monosodium glutamate sensitivity i saw in the ny times sunday that scientists have testified before an fda advisory panel that complaints about msg sensitivity are superstition anybody here have experience to the contrary im old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least a couple of times since the 1960s then it was called the chinese restaurant syndrome because chinese cuisine has always used it so far ive seen about a dozen posts of anecdotal evidence but no facts i suspect there is a strong psychological effect at work here does anyone have results from a scientific study using double blind trials check out 27903 just some 20 posts before your own maybe you missed it amidst the flurry of responses yet again the use of this newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters they have substantial knowledge of for cites on msg look up almost anything by john w olney a toxicologist who has studied the effects of msg on the brain and on development it is undisputed in the literature that msg is an excitotoxic food additive and that its major constituent glutamate is essentially the premierie neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain humans included too much in the diet and the system gets thrown off glutamate and aspartate also an excitotoxin are necessary in small amounts and are freely available in many foods but the amounts added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be encountered in a ny single food by eating lots of junk food packaged soups and diet soft drinks it is possible to jack your blood levels so high that anyone with a sensitivity to these compounds will suffer numerous real physi9logical effects read olneys review paper in prog brain res 1988 and check his sources they are impecable there is no dispute dianne murray wcsbeau ccs carleton ca baseball phillies mailing list anyone know of a phillies mailing list out there they dont get much coverage up here in grand rapids mi sob elaborate signature files are for people who arent as busy as i am dh 1992 david hollebeek dholle15 ursa calvin edu windows windows nt help needed with io error 0x0069 hi everybody out there i just got the third beta release disk march 93 of windowsnt and still am not able to boot up that system the final step achieved is the display of io error 0x0069 but since this is the beta release of the sdk for nt and not of nt microsoft does not include a manual on the os itself explaining what this error means of what i can do to get rid of my configuration is mainboard hauppauge 4860 25 rev a7 a 486 with socket for i860 28megs of memory 512k 36 1m 36 2m 36 ami eisa scsi controller 15series latest bios 16mb cache st41200n hard disk syquest 555 removable disk toshiba 3301 cd rom drive proaudio spectrum plus 16 longshine ethernet card lcs8634 ne2000 comp et4000 graphics card 1meg colorimage5 the system is running fine under dos and windows 3 1 etc but trying to do the setup for nt automatic setup does not recognize controller aha1542 compat when adding manually nt complains not finging any cd rom drive the manual setup winnt does not copy everything from cd to hd does not recognize controller but takes it manually setup continues until it tries to boot then it starts loading several stuff from disk seems to fing the hd but messing up with that damned io error 69 i took away all io cards not essential but that did not make any effect anybody got any ideas help would be greatly appreciated michael linder mlinder tonet1 physik tu berlin de institute of optics tech univ berlin germany medicine re altitude adjustment in article 4159 mdavcr mda ca vida mdavcr mda ca vida morkunas writes i live at sea level and am called upon to travel to high altitude cities quite frequently on business the cities in question are at 7000 to 9000 feet of altitude one of them especially is very polluted mexico city bogota la paz often i feel faint the first two or three days i feel lightheaded and my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea level also it is very dry in these cities so i will tend to drink a lot of water and keep away from dehydrating drinks such as those containing caffeine or alcohol thing is i still have symptoms how can i ensure that my short trips there no i dont usually have a week to acclimatize are as comfortable as possible is there something else that i could do go three days early preliminary acclimatization takes 3 4 days it takes weeks or months for full acclimatization could you be experiencing some jet lag too guns re waco burning in article c5v9du d76 acsu buffalo edu v111qheg ubvmsd cc buffalo edu p vasilion writes not necessarily if the body had been denatured cooked or dehydrated due to the heat a projectile needs only a minimal kinetic force to penetrate in fire aftermaths bodies tend to fall apart or loose large chunks of meat with little effort medical examiners tend not to like cleaning up such scenes as such if the body had been suitably cooked a bullet comming from a magazine explosion would more than likely have enough force to enter and thus it would be difficult to determine whether a bullet entered at the time of death or much later unless you were trained to look for the evidence texas rangers are not pathologists p vasilion this is quite corect but a bullet hitting a burned body with little energy will show virtually no deformation ie a hollow point probably would not expand an fmj would be pristene also the bullets will not be marked with the lands ang grooves of a barrel because they didnt come out of one a good pathologist should be able to notice this right away let us hope that the mes that handle these bodies are more competent then the ones who did jfks body jag baseball re yogi isms heres one i remember sort of yogis asleep in a hotel room late at night and gets a call from someone after he answers the phone the person at the other end asks if he woke yogi up yogi answered no the phone did kevin one of my favorites came back in the seventies when two streakers interupted a game yogi was at dashing across the field unclad later someone who wasnt present asked yogi if they were men or women he replied i couldnt tell they had bags over their heads medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article 1993apr15 161112 21772 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes i dont think extra scientific is a very useful phrase in a discussion of the boundaries of science except as a proposed definiens extra rational is a better phrase in fact there are quite a number of well known cases of extra rational considerations driving science in a useful direction yeah but the problem with holding up the extra rational examples as exemplars or as refutations of well founded methodology is that you run smack up against such unuseful directions as lysenko such extra rational cases are curiosities not guides to methodology gary h merrill principal systems developer c compiler development sas institute inc sas campus dr cary nc 27513 919 677 8000 sasghm theseus unx sas com mcnc sas sasghm cars re car buying story was christ another dealer service scam in article 1993apr15 161531 11737 newsgate sps mot com rapw20 email sps mot com writes their problem i wasnt giving them any more money the finance guy then brought in the manager on duty who proceeded to give me a hard time i reminded him that i was the customer and i didnt think i should be treated like that and that if he didnt back off he could forget the whole deal he made some smart remark so i told him where he could stick it snatched back my check and left needless to say they were not pleased by the turn of events thats nothing when a friend of mine went shopping for a small sedan a few years ago she brought me along as a token male so the salespeople wouldnt give her the bimbo treatment her first choice was a mazda 323 and second choice was a nissan sentra we went to a mazda dealership and described what we wanted we started negotiating on the price and the salesdroid kept playing the let me run this price by the sales manager after playing the good salesman bad salesman game we finally told him that if he didnt have the authority to negotiate a price perhaps we should be speaking directly to someone who did he brought in the sales manager who proceeded to dick us around with every trick in the book read remar suttons dont get taken every time for a list finally after playing a few more rounds of youll have to work with us on this price also known as each time you come up a thousand dollars well come down ten the salesmanager gave a signal to his two sales cronies stood up and said well we cant come down any more so i guess we cant help you and they trouped out of the room leaving us sitting in the salesmans office all by ourselves hmm id read that sleazy salesmen sometimes bug their own offices so they can leave and listen in on couples discussing the sales offer and i mentioned this aloud to my friend while we were sitting there wondering why they would leave us in the office instead of showing us to the door for lack of anything better to do i picked up the phone on the desk and called another mazda dealership asked for a salesman and began discussing what kind of price they would consider a few sentences into the conversation mr salesmanager broke into the line and began telling me how rude he thought it was that i would call another dealership from his phone i said that since hed announced that our business was over he shouldnt care and every time i tried to talk to the other sales guy the sales manager would drown out our voices with his own how did he know that i was using the phone anyway finally i hung up and we headed out of the showroom sales manager and cronies come out of a little unmarked room and he begins to berate us again we say that we wont bother him anymore were going next door to the nissan dealership then comes the part i wish i could have videotaped as we go out the front door the sales manager shouts across the entire showroom customers and all go ahead you deserve to buy a nissan so my friend bought a sentra just so the guilty wont go unpunished ill mention that the sales managers name was gary tusone from his manner his refusal to come down to a reasonable price and his anger at the end my guess is that he had bet our original salesman who was a young novice that hed be able to get at least x dollars out of us and he was steamed that we wouldnt fall for his slimy tricks baseball seer stephenson picks the a l east having run completely out of time ive got to get my prophesies and predictions for the a l out qualifications one of the worse finishes in last years prediction contest al east 1993 1 baltimore orioles why the orioles well i pondered long and hard and it all came down to this the blue jays are going the wrong direction cant bring myself to pick the yankees milwaukee was a fluke indians arent ready to contend red sox were bad last year and didnt get any better detroits pitching will be the new definition of replacement level but you dont really think the orioles will win do you no as a matter of fact i cant see any team in the american league winning either division on paper with the possible exception of the yankees who i hate but some body has to win so i pick the orioles you dont really think that brady anderson is going to repeat do you no im basing the orioles prediction on the expectation of big years from cal ripken and glenn davis glenn davis thats insane yes so without further ado strong points hoiles ripken some years olson getting rid of billy ripken weak points segui may start valenzuela the original 30 something may be the fifth starter oates puts his best hitters at the bottom of the lineup does anybody else think that might be a calculated maneuver to minimize the effect of a slumping ripken if you cant move ripken out of the 3 spot why not move the rest of the line up would be a good sign glenn davis wins comeback player of the year would be a bad sign in a tight pennant race team trades for pecota obprediction the streak continues harold reynolds leads the team in caught stealing 2 new york yankees strong points abbot key perez could have best pitching in american league boggs should improve on hayes weak points mattingly still considered best hitter the steinbrenner factor the yankees lost to the mets can wholesale changes be far behind never count on rookie pitchers i e wickman millitello to win a division would be a good sign boggs hits over 300 would be a bad sign howe gets arrested again obprediction mattingly wont top a 700 ops 3 toronto blue jays strong points management willing to make big deals management has eerie power to convince other teams its prospects are not suspects olerud guzman alomar weak points the jackson for bell trade has shaken my faith in gillick losing stewart may hurt rotation thats really a bad sign no one in the outfield can get on base pitching is thin behind guzman and ward would be a good sign jack morris considered cy young contender in august would be a bad sign club makes no major deals in august obprediction morris will post better era and whip totals than last year and have a losing record 4 milwaukee brewers strong points pitching staff was exceptional last year weak points molitor gone surhoff at third why eldred cant keep it up would be a good sign listach and eldred play like last year would be bad sign bones plays like last year obprediction surhoff wont finish the year at third 5 cleveland indians strong points baerga belle nagy weak points pitching staff thin losing olin really hurts starts felix fermin would be a good sign bieleckis era is consistent with his atlanta starts would be a bad sign ted power bullpen ace obprediction alomar will be back on the dl by the all star break 6 boston red sox strong points clemens viola clemens detroit clemens weak points most incompetent gm in baseball key free agent signing andre dawson burks is gone hatcher in center would be a good sign rainouts in between clemens starts would be a bad sign clemens on the dl obprediction russell will make sox fans forget reardon interpret that how you will 7 detroit tigers strong points tettleton phillips whitaker weak points if fielder keeps declining hell be a shortstop this year worst rotation in baseball entirely replaced but not necessarily better this year could be very ugly would be a good sign cecil fielder deserving the mvp would be a bad sign cecil fielder not whining about deserving an mvp obprediction cecil wont lead the league in rbis one more division to go dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball cars re warning please read in smn42b1w165w cybernet cse fau edu vlasis cybernet cse fau edu vlasis theodore writes tobias convex com allen tobias writes in article 1993apr15 024246 8076 virginia edu ejv2j virginia edu erik vel this happened about a year ago on the washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass four or five cars were hit there were several serious injuries and sadly a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck in the head by one of the larger rocks i dont recall if she made it but i think she was comatose for a month or so and doctors werent holding out hope that shed live what the hell is happening to this great country of ours i can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such but 20 pound rocks has our society really stooped this low erik velapold society as we have known it it coming apart at the seams the basic reason is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is no big deal kids see hundreds on murderous acts on tv we can abort children on demand and kill the sick and old at will so why be surprised when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people they dont care because the message they hear is life is cheap at well people fortunatly or unfortunatly only the us is experiencing the devaluation of human life among developed nations i am an american but i was raised in europe where the worst thing that can happen to somebody is get his car broken into or have his pocket picked by slaves or russian refugees of cource there will be some nutcases but thats extremely rare i e in greece you can walk through any neighborhood at any time during the night without even worrying in germany you can walk the sidewalks at 4 00 am and not even look behind your back at the sanitation crews that clean the streets to a sparkling cleen whoever of you have been there you know what i am saying i dont have any easy answers but if we as a nation do some selfcritisism we might get somewhere of course these postings sould be in soc culture us but if we reduce crime here it ll mean less car insurance rates thus we could spend more money on modifing our cars now my posting is rec autos tech revelant vlasis theodore software engineer idb mobile communications sig under development i remember this happening on the i 75 through michigan and ohio several years back a group of guys in an old beater would rear end a car usually out of state or canadians you stop and they smack you with a bb bat at least they didnt kill you for the sake of a car i think the cops put out decoys and this calmed down for a while vlasis are you safe walking through germany if you are a refugee medicine re update help was what is this is it lymes in article 1993mar24 182145 11004 equator com jod equator com john setel odonnell writes imho you have lyme disease i sent you in private email a summary of the treatment protocols put forth by the lyme disease foundation i respectfully suggest that you save yourself a great deal of suffering by contacting them for a lyme knowledgeable physician referral and seek treatment at once youll know in 2 weeks if youre on the right course and the clock is ticking on your 6 weeks if you have it 1 800 886 lyme if these folks are who i think they are lyme knowledgeable may mean a physician to whom everything that walks in the door is lyme disease and you will be treated for lyme whether or not you have it hope you have good insurance gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon guns re waco fire in c601ed cd6 cpqhou se hou compaq com thomasr cpqhou se hou compaq com sez the houston chronicle last thursday maybe wednesday said that the interior of walls had been covered with hay bales to help protect against bullets many of you know how fast dry hay burns this is all terribly interesting but it doesnt belong in misc legal take it elsewhere please have you hugged your common nucleus of operative fact today mark eckenwiler eck panix com cmcl2 panix eck medicine precocious puberty am looking for network access to recent research into treatments for precocious puberty if you know of specifics would appreciate email i have plenty of general textbook type references have a niece whose daughter is afflicted the mother is an rn and has done a rather exhaustive search of printed material pls email suggestions to lumensa lub001 lamar edu thanx dale parish orange texas is the surface of a planet the lamars token perpetual student proper place for a developing 409 745 vox 3899 rec 1581 dat 2507 industrial civilization guns re upi news release cathy smith posting for l neil smith dear bill very very good you made my whole day with this post thanks a lot l neil smith my opinions are of course my own medicine re diet for crohns ibd summary of thread a person has crohns raw vegetables cause problems unspecified steve holland replies patient may have mild obstruction avoid things that would plug her up crohns has no dietary restriction in general in article 1993apr22 210631 13300 aio jsc nasa gov spenser fudd jsc nasa gov s spenser aden wrote interesting statements simply because i have been told otherwise im certainly not questioning steves claims as for one i am not a doctor and i agree that foods dont bring on the recurrence of crohns but inflammation can be either mildly or drastically enhanced due to food the feeling obout this has changed in the gi community the current feeling is that inflammation is not induced by food there is even evidence that patients deprived of food have mucosal atrophy due to lack of stimulation of intestinal growth factors there is now interest in providing small amounts of nasogastric feeding to patients on iv nutrition but i digress symptoms can be drastically enhanced by food but not inflammation having had one major obstruction resulting in resection is that a good enough caveat i was told that a low residue diet is called for basically the idea is that if there is inflammation of the gut which may not be realized by the patient any residue in the system can be caught in the folds of inflammation and constantly irritate thus exacerbating the problem therefore anything that doesnt digest completely by the point of common inflammation should be avoided with what ive been told is typical crohns of the terminal ileum my diet should be low residue consisting of completely out never again items o corn kernel husk doesnt digest most of us know this o popcorn same o dried dehydrated fruit and fruit skins o nuts very tough when it comes to giving up some fudge the low residue diet is appropriate for you if you still have obstructions again it is not felt that food causes inflammation these foods are avoided because they may get stuck id go ahead and have the fudge though discouraged greatly o raw vegetables too fibrous o wheat and raw grain breads o exotic lettuce iceberg is ok since its apparently mostly water o greens turnip mustard kale etc o little seeds like sesame try getting an arbys without it o long grain and wild rice husky o beans youll generate enough gas alone without them o basically anything that requires heavy digestive processing i was told that the more processed the food the better rather ironic in this day and age the whole point is preventative you want to give your system as little chance to inflame as possible i was told that among the numerous things that were heavily discouraged i only listed a few to try the ones i wanted and see how i felt if its bad dont do it again remember though that this was while i was in remission for veggies cook the daylights out of them i prefer steaming i think its cooks more thoroughly youre mileage may vary as with anything else check with your doctor dont just take my word but this is the info ive been given and it may be a starting point for discussion good luck spencer makes an especially good point in having an observant and informed patient would that many patients be able to tell what causes them problems the digestive processing idea is changing but if a food causes problems avoid them be sure that the foods are tested a second time to be sure the food is a real cause crohns commonly causes intermittent symptoms and some patients end up with severly restricted diets that take months to renormalize there was a good article in the ccfa newsletter recently that discussed the issue of dietary restriction of fiber it would be worth reading to anyone with an interest in crohns and as i always say when dealing with crohns as does spencer good luck steve holland baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr19 024222 11181 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes where did acker get a ring from i would have to say that they are about even i believe acker got a ring from his wife when they were married the blue jays had such a strong offense dont tell me that morris has this magical ability to cause the offensive players to score more runs i dont know why you guys keep bickering about morris the stats show he is a mediocre pitcher at best this year is another case he just happened to win 21 games i saw many of his games last year he did pitch some good games but this crap about being a clutch pitcher is nonsense he was constantly giving up go ahead runs in the 6 8th innings the clutch innings and the jays would somehow scrape a win for him another major factor in his 21 wins is that cito i dont realize i have a bullpen gaston would leave morris in for ever therefore giving him many more chances to win games i believe this is the major reason he won 21 games last year barry walker bnr ottawa canada my opinions medicine re krillean photography i think he means girlie photography a good place to find it is in non descript little places that usually just say books on the outside of the building in black and white john berryhill windows re 2 monitors for windows alwin hoogerdijk alwin zen et tudelft nl wrote julio botelho hlbbs uucp julio botelho writes is3does anyone know whether or not it is possible to have 2 monitors working is3with microsoft windows 3 1 i have a taxan multi vision 550 and a nec this may work when using a vga and a hercules card in one system but using two vga cards in one system will never work i believe that two 8514 8514 a may be used in tandem on one system this is the one exception to the vga mono dual monitor combo that i have heard about has anybody done this jim mc james d mcnamara member of technical staff tasc 55 walkers brook drive reading ma 01867 3238 617 942 2000x2948 baseball re mike francesas 1993 predictions hmm i thought francescas predictions always hovered at or below 500 especially in the nfl not counting college football bowl day hes a nice analyst for explaining past tense and for mapping out what plays teams might do but for predicting the future he only looks good whne compared to russo bob gaj baseball re jewish broadcasters was jewish baseball players in article c5mu5z hh8 unix amherst edu ddsokol unix amherst edu d daniel sokol writes roger lustig roger crux princeton edu wrote in article 1993apr16 220309 1 acad drake edu sbp002 acad drake edu writes in article c5l9zs 44n world std com eastgate world std com mark bernstein writes for that matter how many gentleman of the press box have been jewish the only jewish sportscaster that comes to mind is steve williams who had a phillies show on kyw in philadelphia in the 80s howard cosell is one who comes to mind gee dya think len bermans jewish how about steve stone of wgn who does the cubs we already got him under pitchers overrated jewish or tony korhiezer and shirly povich maurys dad of the washington post probably is shirley p still alive just wondering roger danny windows re gui application frameworks for windows in article 1993apr12 154418 14463 cimlinc uucp bharper cimlinc uucp brett harper writes hello im investigating the purchase of an object oriented application framework i have come across a few that look good zinc has a platform independent resource strategy not too important for me right now brett harper cimlinc com just a thought on resources it is very important if you do use a multiplatform toolkit to check on how it uses resources i have used glockenspeil commonview under motif and os2 i wrote a resource converter from os2 to motif but it really wasnt too easy especially the naming scheme in motif you cannot rename controls widgets with windows you can call the ok button id ok in every instance this doesnt work for motif youd have to call it dialog1 ok and motif expects a text string rather than a number so your constructor should know how to convert a define into the proper resource identifier id check on how the toolkit expects names and that if it does use resources that is uses resources for all platforms you intend to port to by the way i would never use commonview or glockenspiel for anything alex alex colburn image analysis facility university of iowa colburn tessa iaf uiowa edu medicine re can men get yeast infections steve pope spp zabriskie berkeley edu wrote a woman once told me her doctor told her that i could catch asymptomatically her yeast infection from her then give it back to her causing a relapse probably bogus but if not its another reason to use latex steve it isnt bogus i had chronic vaginal yeast infections that would go away with cream but reappear in about 2 weeks i had been on 3 rounds of antibiotics for a resistant sinus infection and my husband had been on amoxicillin also for a sinus infection after six months of this i went to a gynecologist who had me culture my husband seminal fluid after 7 days incubation he had quite a bit of yeast growth it was confirmed by the lab a round of nizerol for him cleared both of us andrea kwiatkowski baseball re ind source picks baerga over alomar case closed thats a joke alomar might not be a gold glover but hes certainly no worse than baerga defensively actually alomar is a two time gold glover 91 92 valentine edk religion re a kind and loving god mlee ra royalroads ca malcolm lee writes these laws written for the israelites gods chosen people whom god had expressly set apart from the rest of the world the israelites were a direct witness to gods existence to disobey god after knowing that god is real would be an outright denial of god and therefore immediately punishable remember these laws were written for a different time and applied only to gods chosen people but jesus has changed all of that we are living in the age of grace sin is no longer immediately punishable by death there is repentance and there is salvation through our lord jesus christ and not just for a few chosen people salvation is available to everyone jew and gentile alike sorry if this is late for the thread but i thought god was supposed to be constant and never changing how do you reconcile this common christian view with the paragraph above also while were at it 1 how do you reconcile a kind and loving god with the judeo christian view that sin was at one time immediately punishable by death was killing people for sinning gods way of showing kindness and love 2 is the fact the he no longer does this an admission on his part of having made a mistake 3 now that we are living in the age of grace does this mean that for our sins god now damns us to eternal hell after we die rather than killing us immediately if so is this eternal damnation an example of a kind and loving god just curious dave wood guns re gritz jbs liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian note that bo gritz was on the populist party ticket with david duke for veep in 1988 until he found out that duke was leading he ticket when he withdrew his candidacy so gritz gave up his chance to be vice president of the us just to aviod supporting duke baseball john franco whats with john franco the mets are hardly using him i heard he was completely recovered but now im not so sure if there is anybody out there with information about franco i would appreciate it if you could drop me a line jason lee jplee oboe calpoly edu jlee cash busfac calpoly edu sf giants e i pi 1 0 the most beautiful equation in mathematics magic for all sad words of tongue and pen the saddest are these number it might have been john greenleaf whittier 148 guns re atf burns dividian ranch update feustel netcom com david feustel writes 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes in article 1r2d2rinna7e hp col col hp com dduff col hp com dave duff says nut case panics realizes hes made a complete fool of himself in front of thousands of netters backs away from earlier rash statements god have mercy on him i thought we were discussing koresh here not president clinton dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com dave 1 clinton 0 guns re raid justification was blast them next time on wed 21 apr 1993 03 52 11 gmt peter cash cash convex com wrote i just got through listening to the 10 oclock news on channel 4 here in dallas they trotted out a list of justifications produced by the atf after months of investigation for their raid cnn just claimed he bought 104 semi automatic assault rifles and they say koresh wasnt god like he managed to buy or build a collection of fully automatic semi automatic rifles quite a feat i would say theyre still making charges of sexual abuse and such or course nobody seems to have noticed that the treasury department has nothing to do with sex crimes or maybe the feds have recently instituted a tax on sex crimes yeah thats why the batf was there looking for unregistered guns this is my weapon this is my gun this is for fighting this is for i couldnt believe the junk on this list for example the bds were accused of stockpiling a bunch of 9mm and 223 ammunition that can be used in m15 and m16 assault rifles imagine that they had ammunition i also heard that theyre claiming to be cautious because of koreshs heated ammunition stockpile i seem to recall that smokeless powder tends to decompose at even moderate temperatures i would be rather surprised after a fire of that nature if any of his stockpile is unexploded or unburned they also had aluminum dust yeah its a component of thermite but so far i havent heard that its illegal to take a grinder to the aluminum lawn furniture i seem to recall that aluminum powder is a common component of fireworks the folks on rec pyro could probably tell you the only thing on the list that could conceivably have been illegal was an m 79 grenade launcher anybody know about this i think anything is legal if you have the proper license if he had a curios and relics permit i believe he could legally own handgrenades to go with his launcher charles scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept of physics michigan tech houghton mi 49931 when all government in little as in great things shall be drawn to washington as the centre of all power it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated thomas jefferson 1821 guns re some more about gun control in article 1993apr16 010235 14225 mtu edu cescript mtu edu charles scripter writes you didnt even get the capitalization correct try reading usca on the constitution or get any other correct version of the constitution this is really stupid nitpicking capitalization rules in the late 18th century were quite different from today and what was posted matches current capitalization rules we also dont make s look like f and other such things done in the late seventeen hundreds in the original constitution militia arms etc were capitalized simply because they were nouns this is also done currently in german there is no special significance to these words simply because they are capitalized the capitalization denotes no special emphasis pete zakel phz cadence com or uunet cadence phz aries mar 21 apr 19 you are the pioneer type and hold most people in contempt you are quick tempered impatient and scornful of advice you are not very nice baseball some baseball trivia who holds the record for most career strikeouts while playing for one team who holds the record for most career strikeouts for the rangers hint nolan ryan isnt either what two pitchers have over 100 career saves for two different teams who is the only player to hit 300 or more career home runs and steal 300 or more career bases for the same team no fair peeking at your baseball stats phil allen texdude cs1 bradley edu baseball re speeding up games in article rudyc5wcsg g6a netcom com rudy netcom com rudy wade writes i feel that talking about speeding up baseball games is like trying to keep signal to noise ratio high on rec sports baseball no matter how much you talk about it or how reasonable your arguments there will always be people who quote an entire article with signatures to make a one line comment reply or woof whether through their stupidity denseness or excitement and overeagerness to bless us with their insight no matter what is said they will always keep doing it same with ballgames no matter how much it might benefit the game for the umpires to enforce the rules and for the players managers coaches to stop wasting our time it just aint gonna happen rudy i agree windows comm drv replacement there was a recent post about a bbs where you could download a replacement for comm drv win 3 x that fixed a lot of the problems with high speed modems does anyone know of an ftp site where i can get it thanks alec lee alec lee aslee diana cair du edu 303 871 5744 alee cs du edu sexy but whats wrong with being sexy nigel tufnel spinal tap guns re govt break ins re 60 minutes in article 1993apr5 155733 114 pasadena dc bofa com franceschi pasadena dc bofa com writes in viet nam lt calley was tried and convicted of murder because his troops in a war setting deliberately killed innocent people it is time that the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to standards at least as moral as the militarys no lt calley was later acquitted his troops killed 400 500 people including kids elderly and women i sure dont want to see the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to those military standards if they did were all in big trouble the my lai massacre was covered up by high ranking officials and all who were involved were acquitted minh minh lang software engineer jet propulsion laboratory instrumentation systems group instrumentation section 375 note my employer has nothing to do with what i said here medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr19 205615 1013 unlv edu todamhyp charles unlv edu brian m huey writes i think thats the correct spelling the proper spelling is kirlian it was an effect discoverd by s kirlian a soviet film developer in 1939 as i recall the coronas visible are ascribed to static discharges and chemical reactions between the organic material and the silver halides in the films tarl neustaedter stratus computer tarl sw stratus com marlboro mass disclaimer my employer is not responsible for my opinions guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu writes ive yet to meet a group of baptists who were stockpiling cambells soup and m 16s ar 15s and banging marrying thirteen yuear olds youre a sorry son of a bitch if you cant draw a distinction between these two things people like you cheapen our constitution by using it to defend sociopaths who arent deserved of it get a life and chill on the paranoia i am not a paranoid nor a government toady nor even am i the guy you were talking to originally but i think you are simply not paying attention a bunch of people living off by themselves with a lot of guns nearby is not that wierd in texas my own family very quiet taxpayers with extremely con ventional views has something like 10 rifles and shotguns in a two person home some of them were mine but i dont live there anymore i now have my own shotgun in my apartment texas child protective services which loves to find child abuse found no i repeat no evidence of abuse when they first looked at the bd and is saying that they see none in any of the kids who were released there is no evidence that koresh was banging anyone but his wives it is not against the law to stockpile most weapons or campbells soup nor is there any hard evidence in the form of actual hardware as i write this to prove the bd really had any proscribed weapons i feel they were all loonies but there is no indication that they ever bothered anyone they were gone after in the wrong ways for the wrong reasons and the batf and fbi who are so busy trumpeting this child abuse angle hasnt got a leg to stand on or any right to be involved in such abuse cases anyway if there was any real danger of the bds going out on a rampage then that is up to the officers of the state of texas who are probably getting a per verse bit of pleasure at getting to torque the feds for fucking up something in their state semper fi jammer jim miller texas a m university 89 and 91 i dont speak for uh which is too bad because they could use the help become one with the student billing system be the student billing system power finds its way to those who take a stand stand up ordinary man rik emmet gil moore mike levine triumph windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 1993may1 154707 10177 hubcap clemson edu ludes hubcap clemson edu larry ludes ludwig writes stuff deleted about microsoft bferrell ant occ uc edu brett ferrell writes if you think that windows is useable you must not use it much windows version of crash protection is wearing a helmet while computing the arir air bag is an expensive add on brett you must of read too many os 2 advertisements crash protection is such a marketing gimick it isnt funny out of 4 months of using windows on my new machine ive only had it crash once and i dont have a run of the mill configuration microsoft is not a leader in innovation but they certainly know how to build a better mousetrap now whats wrong with that larry ludes ludwig its always taken me twice to get clemson university compsci undergrad it right you never heard of the ludes hubcap clemson edu apple i ludes clemson clemson edu steve jobs it does sound funny i will admit but for me it is true windows crashed on all of the time and from what i have read in pc mag this is not the exception os 2 gives each windows app a vdm and they cant touch each other or generally anything they arent supposed to have if windows works for you then great maybe this is why some people dont see why os 2 is the os of choice if windows doesnt crash on you and you dont mind waiting on each task and not being able to adress your memory better than dos some of the key reasons for using os 2 are gone i probably would still use it but it would be more of an even fight brett brett d sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng uc edu u of cincy catch the cats college of engineering if you can friends dont let friends do windows wittism of th week i think that its wrong to believe in an ism you should believe in yourself ferrish bueller medicine re barbecued foods and health risk also dont forget that its better for your health to enjoy your steak than to resent your sprouts mark mcwiggins hermes associates 1 206 632 1905 voice markmc halcyon com box 31356 seattle wa 98103 1356 1 206 632 1738 fax medicine re should i be angry at this doctor mryan stsci edu writes am i justified in being pissed off at this doctor last saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife i took him to a local urgent and general care clinic at 5 50 pm the clinic was open till 6 00 pm the receptionist went to the back and told the doctor that we were there and came back and told us the doctor would not see us because she had someplace to go at 6 00 and did not want to be delayed here during the next few minutes in response to my questions with several trips to the back room the receptionist told me the doctor was doing paperwork in the back the doctor would not even look at his finger to advise us on going to the emergency room the doctor would not even speak to me she would not tell me the doctors name or her own name when asked who is in charge of the clinic she said i dont know i realize that a private clinic is not the same as an emergency room but i was quite angry at being turned away because the doctor did not want to be bothered my son did get three stitches at the emergency room speaking as a physician who works in an urgent care center the above behavior is completely inappropriate if a patient who requires extensive care shows up at the last minute we always see them and give them appropriate care it is reasonable for a clinic to refuse to see patients outside of its posted hours but what you describe is misbehavior ask to speak to the clinic director and complain whatever their attitude they have nothing to gain from angering patients brandon brylawski cars re impala ss going into production does that mean that theyre gonna bring back the biscayne and bel air medicine re pregnency without sex in article c6botf 137 r node hub org taob r node hub org brian tao writes in article 1993apr27 182155 23426 oswego oswego edu harry matthews writes ive heard of community swimming pools refered to as public urinals so what else is going on do you swim nude in a public swimming pool i doubt sperm can penetrate swimsuit material assuming they arent immediately dispersed by water currents brian tao taob r node hub org r node bbs 416 249 5366 free 90taobri wave scar utoronto ca university of toronto here we go again u uk k university gary w gregory u uk k of kentucky gwgreg01 ukcc uky edu u ukkk uu uuk kk uuu k kk department of ob gyn ms 335 medical center lexington kentucky 40536 0084 cars re service indicator of a bmw in article 1993apr22 130721 4420 westminster ac uk jkjec westminster ac uk shazad barlas writes derek there is a tool available to reset the service indicator on bmws but the lights will come back on after 2 3 weeks the tool is in fact illegal in europe atleast it is often the case that the unsuspecting punter trots off to buy a used bmw and a few weeks later all the lights come on other than that i know of no other tool anyone else about changing oil every 15 000 miles thats ok on newer audis they only require it after every 12 000 miles i am talking about an oil change just a query do you drive your car very very carefully like no sudden acceleration etc if yeah then the 15 000 m oil change seems quite reasonable but if you drive kinda fast id get a bit up tight abot that 15 000 thingy a point to note just because the first light came on at 3k doesnt mean all the others will come on every 3k too shaz shaz hmm but the service indicators that i have works this way there are 5 green 1 yellow 1 red indicators initially all green indicators will be on for few minutes when you start your car the computer will actually sense how you drive your car and as time goes by the green indicators will start to go off one by one and then the yellow indicator will turn on and then the red indicator will go on and you should get service when by the time green indicators are off after service the mechanic or you will reset the service indicators and the computer starts counting again so i expect to have a tool or a procedure to reset it so the green lights will come on and the yellow and red lights will go off i wonder how people can do oil change themself without knowing how to reset the indicator its the first european car i have and changing oil at 15 000 miles is a surprise to me and its a big plus but i wonder how that could happen since the oil lose its lubrication ability over time i thought its the oil and not the vehicle that determines how often we should change oil any bmw owner on the net response welcomed ps my initial question is how do you seset the service indicator of a bmw derek baseball re mlb nba rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes in article mssc5qrrz 91h netcom com mss netcom com mark singer says in article 93108 165218rvesterm vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes so you want to decrease players salaries so you want to increase owners salaries the two are equivalent bob vesterman only if you insist that the ticket prices cannot be adjusted downward or the taxes for the revenues to build the ballparks or the parking charges or the concession costs etc 1 why would owners decrease ticket prices when they obviously get lots of people to pay the price theyre asking 2 even assuming that you have some strange power to make the owners decrease ticket prices that does not decrease the tv contract bob vesterman so what will happen when the tv contract runs out considering networks have been losing money on it either ticket prices will go up or someones salary will be cut or perhaps the local community or merchindise could make up the difference baseball is probably facing a dramatic drop in income very soon and someone will suffer probably the fans from higher ticket prices but definitely someone windows re win nt what is it in article 1qmc7e g1b access digex net wild access digex com wildstrom writes from wild access digex com wildstrom subject re win nt what is it date 16 apr 1993 09 27 10 0400 much stuff deleted what is win32 i upgraded to mathcad 4 0 and it installed a directory for win32 under windows system during the upgrade it told me that win32 was required medicine re food related seizures im told that corn allergy is fairly common my wife has it and it seems to be exacerbated if sugar is eaten with the corn i suppose that in a person just on the verge of having epilepsy an allergic reaction might cause a seizure but i dont really know gordon michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi baseball re bases loaded walk gives reds win in 12 redreport 4 21 in article mssc5w795 7g4 netcom com mark singer writes in article c5vhlh idz usenet ucs indiana edu rstimets silver ucs indiana edu robert and stimets writes in a game that saw a little of everything incredible defense some power clutch pitching and a little wildness the reds managed to overcome their trademark lack of timely hitting in crucial situations during spring training i made a similarly innoncent looking comment about clutch hitting on this bb and the flames were flying no such thing as clutch hitting they the sdcns all screamed i assumed they also meant there was no such thing as any kind of clutch performance given their comments this is certainly not the case there is no significant ability toi perform in the clutch but clutch performance certainly happens every time there is a game winning hit the clutch pitching quoted above is something which happened not a claim that any particular player should be expected to be a clutch pitcher over the past four seasons sabo has had 59 hits in 259 abs defined as clutch situations by the scouting report for an average of 228 over that same period he had another 1539 abs with 452 hits for an average of 294 according to the rest of the sdcns any differential such as this is completely and totally random and cannot be used for any reasonable inference such as perhaps perez should have used a pinch hitter in that situation simple statistics tell me that there is a 2 chance an average clutch hitter would have this large a split the average decrease is 7 points standard deviation about 30 there will be such hitters in any league just as there will be hitters who hit poorly on tuesdays and there is only a very weak correlation 01 in my best study between clutch hitting in the last four years and clutch hitting this year probably because most of the clutch data is determinaed by luck rather than any ability based only on this data i dont see any reason to pinch hit for sabo or any other player who had been a poor clutch hitter in the past but there are many other factors involved in a decision to pinch hit does the pinch hitter give you a platoon advantage any portion of sabos clutch split that results from his platoon split is certainly a real ability even if it has nothing to do with clutch hitting do you have a singles hitter at the plate when you need a home run do you have a curveball pitcher facing a batter who has trouble with curves david grabiner grabiner zariski harvard edu we are sorry but the number you have dialed is imaginary please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again disclaimer i speak for no one and no one speaks for me guns has the pronpane tank been found much of the dispute about the origin of the fire that destroyed the bd compound could be settled by examining the propane tank supposedly crushed by one of the army tanks when they breached the walls of the compound if the the propane tank is flattened and has tread marks on it then the bds version of the cause of the fire would seem to be verified dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com the u s government has become a garrotte around the necks of its citizens just as with a garrotte the more people struggle to breathe the air of freedom the more the government tightens its stranglehold the only possible outcomes at this point are the death of government or the elimination of personal freedom cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article 1993apr22 180150 12377 telxon mis telxon com joes telxon mis telxon com joe staudt writes v6 legend mr3 mr6 honda prelude nope 4 cylinder v8 dont know of any you didnt try very hard lexus infinty several of each i wasnt aware that there was another infiniti with a v 8 besides the q45 bmw one model 5 series several the 740i 730i 540i 530i 4 0 liter and 3 0 liter v 8 mercedes one or two models one or two theres at least one v 8 for every platform except the compact 190e s class 400sel 500sel w124 400e 500e and roadster 500sl acura one model cant remember the name right now acura doesnt have any v 8 cars at the moment v12 jaguar xjs bmw 750il 850 mercedes xxxsl 600sl and 600sel the other sls 500 sl and 300sl are v 8 and inline six windows losing dark colors of my icons here is an annoying problem whenever i save an icon which contains dark colors like dark red or dark purple these colors are converted to the bright colors this happens with every icon editor including the image editor that came with sdk i dont have this problem with bmp files either only with ico files or icon libraries the problem is with the icon colormap field in the icon file header checking the file with a binary editor i can see that the masks are ok by editing the colormap manually copying from another icon that i didnt edit i can fix the colors does anybody know what may be causing this problem thanks sadun anik u of illinois at urbana champaign center for reliable and high performance computing e mail anik crhc uiuc edu guns re guns in backcountry no thanks in article 1qkcok s9i usenet ins cwru edu ci946 cleveland freenet edu john k gever writes do you rambos who worry so much about rape and murder in the wilderness also carry your guns all the time at home too you should since youre in a hell of a lot more danger there than in the backcountry when does carrying a tool classify someone as a rambo so all the pioneers that came west were rambos adrienne does anybody reading this group have an actual honest to god experience with violent crime in the backcountry to tell about i can sort of understand the people who want to protect themselves from bears and such although there are what maybe a dozen or two bear attacks on people in north america each year but to worry about being raped by some buck toothed bubba in overalls is just irrational i think wed all be a lot safer if all the videocassettes of deliverance were gathered up and burned would your tune change if you were one of the dozen or two bear attacks believe me when you need a firearm you need a firearm public health experts will tell you that you are far more likely have your gun stolen use it yourself on a family member or have it used on you than you are to use it on an actual criminal please cite your references ill let others please note followup cite valid references to show you that this is an untruth the rambo warriors weve heard from here undoubtedly consider themselves exempt from this statistical reality theyre much too smart and responsible living in a city where theres a drive by shooting every couple of days and working in a medical center where a day doesnt go by without a shooting victim coming into the er im just a bit skeptical about the value of gun ownership i go to the backcountry to get away from this environment and i dont want to find other people there who insist on bringing the urban environment along with them boom boxes computers or guns well you might as well go naked forget the matches backpack sleeping bag and all the rest thats is a modern convenience a firearm is just a tool as some people wont carry gaiters some people do firearms should be in the same category it should be a personal choice and your factoid about shooting victims in the er count how many come in due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes maybe we should outlaw cars please post flaming responses to rec guns rabid j gever bham ala marciano pitargue cisco com windows re mouse on com3 under windows 3 1 in a previous article jpaparel cs ulowell edu joseph paparella says ive pursued and researched this question over the last month or so because i have the same requirements you do and the long and short of it is that the windows mouse drivers dont accept mice at any but com1 and com2 using irq4 or irq3 unless you buy special drivers from someone who has them ive talked to mouse systems who say their driver doesnt support other than com1 and com2 as above but who claim to be releasing one that will soon the other alternative seems to be possible but in one case prohibitively expensive i e 4 port card for 600 and in the other the author s of powerbbs for windows claim to have a 4 port serial card with buffered 16550 uarts and drivers for windows to match i e com3 irq5 for 120 the second paragraph is hearsay because i havent checked it out yet but intend to as soon as i can free up 120 g hope this will save you some steps i had this problem when i first loaded windows my i o card is for 2 hds 2 fds 1 parrelel 2 serial 1 for mouse and 1 for my external modem and a game port problem enters the darn serial ports have no selection for com settings they are stuck on 3 and 4 good card for hds and fds but lousy for serial i called microsoft and other places the long and short of it is windows wants com1 and 2 only for mouse selection i went out and bought a small i o card just for parrelel and serial now i have all 4 active com ports and lpt1 and lpt2 this half card was less than 20 mouse on com 1 external modem on com 2 i disabled the lpt2 so i could use the interupt for my scanner card irq c ya artin this communication is sent by artin university of arizona tucson ak333 cleveland freenet edu mlinsenb ccit arizona edu mlinsenb arizvms death has been dead for about 2 000 years follow the king of kings cars re quick question in article 1993apr5 211457 12789 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes how do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an 87 honda prelude the speaker went scratchy and i want to access its pins there is something going on here it seems that once a month the vw group must have get a specific detailed question about hondas i would like to ask that next month we get one about hyundai instead of honda thank you andy medicine re krillean photography flame on reading through the posts about kirlian whatever spelling photography i couldnt help but being slightly disgusted by the narrow minded i know it all i dont believe what i cant see or measure attitude of many people out there i am neither a real believer nor a disbeliever when it comes to so called paranormal stuff but as far as im concerned it is just as likely as the existence of for instance a god which seems to be quite accepted in our societies without any scientific basis i am convinced that it is a serious mistake to close your mind to something anything simply because it doesnt fit your current frame of reference history shows that many great people great scientists were people who kept an open mind and were ridiculed by sceptics especially the usa should be grateful after all columbus did not drop off the edge of the earth flame off or end sermon alex cars seeking good alfa romeo mechanic i am looking for recommendations for a good great alfa romeo mechanic in south jersey or philadelphia or nearby i have a 78 alfa spider that needs some engine tranny steering work done the body is in quite good shape the car is awful in cold weather wont start if below freezing i know i know why drive a spider if theres snow on the ground it has bosch mechanical fuel injection that i am sure needs adjustment any opinions are welcome on what to look for or who to call email or post to rec autos i will summarize if people want thx andy brandt cs unc edu medicine m contagiosem i was wondering if anyone had any information about molluscous contagiosem i acquired it and fortunately got rid of it but the question still lingers in my mind where did it come from the little bit of info that i have received about it in the past states that it can be transmitted sexually but also occurs in small children on the hands feet and genitalia any information will be greatly appreciated i grow old i grow old i shall wear my trousers rolled t s eliot religion re is it good that jesus died brian kendig says and since i felt reasonably sure of myself i decided to start analyzing the bible very closely that was the catalyst to my break with my faith though it was a long and difficult effort brian kendig also declares christ means chosen the person chosen to fulfill the prophesies of the old testament and bring about a new age of hope and spiritual growth for mankind christ is greek for messiah messiah means annointed one annoint means to rub with oil i e to anoint by impl to consecrate the major prophet daniel uses the word messiah in daniel chapter 9 how closely did you analyze the bible looks as if you didnt get past the first word so was the catalyst to break your faith the priests who interpreted the bible for you did you ever do what the bereans did to pauls teachings in acts 17 windows re leaking memory resources in 3 1 in article c6aw83 h7v csn org richardf teal csn org iriemon writes dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu daniel mittleman writes i am running win 3 1 with ndw 2 2 on a 486sx with 8 meg of memory and a 6 meg perm swap file and am getting exceedingly frustrated that my applications are not giving back system resources when i close them ive noticed this also the way it was explained to me is that windows does not clear the upper memory blocks after a program is done anyone out there know if this is why there was a post about something similar a while back it seems windows does not take it upon itself to free up any sys resources an applllication is using when that application is done that job is left entirely to the application that is the application has to clean up after itself when it quits anyone out there know if there is a utility for windows which will clean up sys resources when an application quits mother zip peace mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd cars re super mega automobile sighting s exotics together give out the address ill drive by and take a look myself then post stephen phillips atlanta response center atlanta ga home of the braves windows re help with changing startup logo in a previous article louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis wrote in article 735952415 aa01739 f 454 fidonet org c doelle p26 f3333 n106 z1 fidonet org c doelle writes hello brad monday april 26 1993 17 24 brad smalling wrote to crosspost 1 all bs since i dont know your setup bs copy b win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle win com bs i grabbed this from supercharging windows by judd robbins great book bs this is also how you can put your own logo into the windows startup now another thing this is from the windows faq your file has to be less than 64 k at least thats what the faq says but mine wont work for more than about 30 maybe they mend 32k i dont know com files are limited to a total size of 64kb thus win cfn plus vgalogo log plus your rle file must be less than 64kb thus your rle file should be around 30kb rob any resemblance between the above views and rob those of my faculty advisor my terminal or mohns the view out my window are purely coinci dental richard traina may or may not rmohns vax support said views but probably doesnt clarku edu want clarkies to think about them guns re president clintons email address jagst18 pitt edu josh a grossman writes somebody was kind enough to post the prezs compuserve email address i was smart enough to write it down somehwere on some small scap of paper i can not find if youve got it please email it to me compuserve 75300 3115 compuserve com america on line clintonpz aol com both are accessible from the internet when you send a not to slick willie you will need to have you us mail address on the note if you want a response the white house does not reply by e mail baseball brewers injuries hi all ive been locked in a small closet chained to a lab bench for the last week or two without access to really important information i saw the 3 5 million shoulder back on the dl how long is he out for i e how many millions inning will he get this year nothing personal against higuera mind you just wondering how bud can keep coffing up money for him when he lets current big producers go over a relative pittance please realize the term relative pittance can only be used with sarcasm when discussing baseball salaries additional questions i didnt get to see bones pitch this spring how is he looking and where is he going to fit in the rotation how is surhoff shaping up defensively at third are they going to build a new stadium when tom baseball re bosox win again 5 2 against seattle in article jxu 735398917 black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu dark wing duck writes last night boston red sox win its 11 games of 14 games by beating seattle 5 2 roger clemson pitch not so dominate he walked at least 6 man in first 6 inns be fair he did walk 6 batters in 6 1 ip he also allowed only three hits none for extra bases only one run a pretty good outing all told i think that game is must win for red sox in seattle considering darwin will faced seattle ace randy johnson tonight there is no such thing as a must win game this early in the season and we can always hope that darwin pitches well cheers valentine religion re rosicrucian order s in a previous article cdcolvin rahul net christopher d colvin says i guess the san jose mercury news is wrong then no it is old you said amorc is not was nothing personal ok good maybe you didnt know that its over by now there is no more pending legal actions from no where period so yes there was a situation and it has been resolved by both parties as long as humans handle anything it is subjected to breaking btw gary l stewart has a p o box in tx calling his org arc ancient rosae crucis i guess he couldnt take the mo from amorc tony cars 83 tercel sunroof leaks arrggh is there a simple way tooput these sunroofs out of their misery do leaks tend to be from old gaskets or from inadequate mechanical seals or all of the above is there any way to halt the rain thanks hk henry bruno kon office 617 253 2781 with machine home 617 625 3972 with machine cars funny car taxes was re market access in article 1r5acf nh1 agate berkeley edu robohen ocf berkeley edu henry robertson writes keep in mind that owning any car in korea is a luxury that only the ruling class can afford every government agency worth its salt finds some reason to levy a tax on car ownership last i heard there were seven different fees to pay to own a car we used to have a tax in greece named after the queens mother the queen left monarchy was abolished but the tax stuck similar single purpose taxes have stuck i e to help the victims of the earthquake of 19xx build the metro obmoralconclusion next time someone proposes a car tax or gasoline tax promising its temporary it aint spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology delco electronics 317 451 0815 gm hughes electronics kokomo in 46904 i post therefore i armm medicine re antihistamine for sleep aid but after you have taken antihistamines for a few nights doesnt it start to have a paradoxical effect i used to take one every night for allergies and couldnt figure out why i developed bad insomnia finally figured out it was the antihistamines i would fall asleep for a few minutes but would awaken at the drop of a pin a little later and could not get back to sleep i dont have that problem since i stopped the antihistamines at bedtime alice guns re change of name in article cmm 0 90 2 735315429 thomasp holmenkollen ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes 1 make a new newsgroup called talk politics guns paranoid or talk politics guns theyr here to take me away 2 move all postings about waco and burn to guess where 3 stop posting on this newsgroup we are all so glad youre trying to save us from the evil goverment but would you mail this in regular mail to lets say 1000 people this is not a signature its merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil internet thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no how about a group called talk that thomas parsli approves clinton administration e mail addresses clintonhq campaign92 org mcimail provided as a public service by 75300 3115 compuserve com compuserve jon edward shum jon mitre org clintonpz aol com america online clinton administration e mail addresses clintonhq campaign92 org mcimail provided as a public service by 75300 3115 compuserve com compuserve jon edward shum jon mitre org clintonpz aol com america online windows embedded truetype fonts ok ive heard rumors about this i might have even seen it in a few places and id like some info is it possible to embed fonts in a document like write word or ami pro so the file can be printed on another machine that doesnt have the font if possible how is it done im sorry if this is a faq i couldnt find a faq list i would also apreciate knowing where that is if a windows faq exsists thanks in advance harry pierson come and be with me live my twisted dream the audio mercenary pro devoted pledge time for primal concrete sledge pierson usc edu pantera cars squeekin windows consumer reports once wrote about the s 10 blazer that it shook and rattled like a tired taxi cab there is one noise that is expecially irritating the back window squeaks i believe its because the whole tailgate assembly and window are not solid anyway has anyone had the same problem and have you found any fixes arlen martin at t microelectronics att attme stcarm 215 391 2531 baseball re defensive averages 1988 1992 third base in c5l068 6v3 srgenprp sr hp com craigs srgenprp sr hp com craig stelter writes dale stephenson steph cs uiuc edu wrote in c5jjrj em3 cs uiuc edu steph cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes compiled from the last five defensive average reports here are the career das for the individual players in the reports stats are courtesy of sherri nichols players are listed in descending order and some comments with some players deleted third basemen leius scott 653 680 0 672 looks good too bad hes moving to short pagliarulo mike 631 575 744 0 649 this is an interesting line his 1988 figure was slightly below average his 1990 was pathetic and his 1991 was the next best year by anybody part of that may be his mobility 1988 was with the yankees 1990 was with the padres who appear to have a rotten infield 1991 was with the twins and judging by leius and gaetti the metrodome may be a good place to play third gaetti gary 616 638 655 632 0 637 apologies if i dont know what im talking about but as a twins fan i like to think they have good players in any park not sure if i remember completely or not but i think gaetti played with the twins in 87 for the world series and again in 88 note thats his lowest of the 4 i believe the next 3 or at least the last two were played with the angels actually gaettis first year with california was 1991 his 632 da wasnt out of line with his career averages and his 616 was actually below average in 1988 but check out the last three years at the metrodome 1990 gaetti 655 al avg 604 1991 pags 744 leius 653 al avg 620 1992 leius 680 al avg 603 for the last three years the highest das in either league have been posted by minnesota players three different ones including one pags who was mediocre to horrible elsewhere that doesnt prove a park effect is at work any more than san diegos horrible infield numbers prove a park effect is at work but it looks like a strong possibility to me lots of factors make a player excell i hate it when so many use the dome it may not be ideal but nice to comfortably enjoy baseball and football even when its snowing and raining and it might even be a nice play to thrid base dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball cars re saturns pricing policy i just ordered a saturn sl1 after considering a few imports frankly the saturn way of doing business and service was a very big plus i hadnt bought a new car since i bought my honda 4wd back in 85 and i was unbelieveably offended by most salespeople i met saturn was indeed very different i made three different visits to the dealer where i bought my car and was never pressured saturn also had the best after sales support and the fixed pricing made it very easy for me to decide exactly what i wanted to buy another big selling point was running into my mechanic at the dealer hes been fixing imports for 20 years and bought a saturn based on what hes seen and heard from his customers saturn also has a good extended warranty program 675 for 6 year 60k miles fully refunded if you dont use it that works out to an actual cost of 170 or so based on the 6 year treasury rates using savings account rates its more like 120 in the first three years it also buys you free rental during any warranty work without counting against the refund mike medicine re food related seizures in article 79727 cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes i remember hearing a few years back about a new therapy for hyperactivity which involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring and flavoring from the diet the theory which was backed up by interesting anecdotal results is that certain people are just way more sensitive to these chemicals than other people i dont remember any connection being made with seizures but it certainly couldnt hurt to try an all natural diet yeah the feingold diet is a load of crap children diagnosed with add who are placed on this diet show no improvement in their intellectual and social skills which in fact continue to decline of course the parents who are enthusiastic about this approach lap it up at the expense of their childrens development so much for the value of interesting anecdotal results people will believe anything if they want to steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors if the fbi started the fire why didn t people flee the burning building james dusek james it could be that they were determined to stay together in the compound no matter what happened perhaps the fire was accidental and the db simply refused to leave the compod perhap they died fighting the fire who knows we will have to wait and see i persaonlly find it hard to believe that they would all agree to burn themselves up what a horrible way to go jim shirreffs windows windows nt how to get the beta i was just wondering if anyone new how i could get the beta version of windows nt and be part of the beta program thanks gel binkley cs mcgill ca p s please reply by e mail windows tiff file viewer needed hello i am in need of a file viewer for 24 bit tiff images to run under windows 3 1 if it matters alternatively a package to run an x server on top of windows would do very well unfortunately the budget for this is limited so whatever i end up using has to be public domain or very inexpensive thanks in advance for any help john chapman cs sfu ca baseball mile high runs how many runs will be scored in denver i dont know but some idea can be gotten by looking at the runs scored in mile high stadium during the last few years of the bears zephyrs tenure in the american association heres the total runs scored per game in zephyrs games all league games and the ratio i found the same ratios for hr year rpg lea ratio hrpg lea ratio 1992 10 22 9 10 1 12 1 65 1 58 1 04 1991 9 53 8 87 1 07 1 41 1 26 1 12 1990 10 71 8 72 1 23 1 49 1 24 1 20 1989 9 07 8 34 1 09 1 27 1 11 1 14 1988 9 90 8 37 1 18 1 29 1 08 1 19 1987 12 55 10 70 1 17 2 39 1 92 1 24 1986 9 45 9 33 1 01 1 35 1 38 98 1985 9 50 8 54 1 11 1 53 1 34 1 14 1984 9 99 9 10 1 10 1 55 1 59 97 1983 10 60 9 99 1 06 2 03 1 74 1 17 1982 11 29 10 35 1 09 2 24 1 91 1 17 1981 10 29 9 25 1 11 1 43 1 49 96 1980 10 59 9 43 1 12 1 63 1 46 1 12 1446 13 1 11 1444 13 1 11 it seems pretty clear that denver will have a large effect on runs scored ill stick with my prediction from last year that itll be one of the top 3 in the nl this year and a fairly large effect on homeruns though apparently not as large as atlanta wrigley cincinnati and san diego still it ought to be a pretty decent home run park john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu religion re christian extremist kills doctor regard hpsdde sdd hp com adrienne regard writes in article 1993mar30 001428 7648 pony ingres com dan ingres com a rose arose writes seriously though griffen didnt save the lives of children and he did destroy the life of a man so on the most superficial of levels hes scum i almost agree but griffen is not scum scum has no guilt or freedom to choose anything griffen does god did not make scum when he made griffen he made a precious person and this person chose to do wrong the same goes for dr gunn but if you are to examine it more closely griffen would have preferred that these children were born yet after their birth did griffen have any assistance to offer them did griffen intend to support them educate them raise them up to be useful citizens did he have any intent whatsoever to help these children after birth heres the real problem americans have become so insensitive to the needs of others and so completely wrapped up in themselves that they cannot see straight or think clearly enough to make even the slightest and most obvious moral decisions based on reality if a man abandons a woman to care for their child on her own he is not considered to be a very respectable or decent man by anyone this man has fled his responsibility has behaved like a lazy coward and has turned away from his responsibility to his wife and child however if a woman decides to kill her unborn child to release her burden she is not thought of in the same way when the man abandons the woman suffers but the child is free to grow up and live a happy and normal life when the woman abandons the child is diced or killed with saline or vacuumed out and the man has no choice and the man sometimes suffers so badly that he wishes he could trade places with his child ths root of this whole problem is selfishness the arrogance that says my feelings and desires are supreme and your well being is not worth dung and when you come down to it this is the substance of what hell is made of its the reason a loving god can throw selfish people to the devil and his demons for all of eternity let any one of us unrepentant into heaven and well ruin it the first chance we get now i dont really know the answer to these questions but ive got a real good guess and its probably right and i wouldnt call that benevolent either it is a move in the right direction as it is now we dont see our responsibility because we kill it and get it out of sight the media backs us completely real responsibility does not sell the only responsibility that sells in the marketplace is that which is just enough to make us feel responsible without showing anything that might show us our own true irresponsibility we want to feel like good people but we want nothing with being good people just give me the freedom to say im good and the rest of the world can burn rape and kill my children and throw my parents to the places where poor old folks rot until theyre dead ill hate my brother and sister if i wish and ill cheat on my wife or husband screw the government because it screws me and dont talk to me about giving to the church because church people are all a bunch of money grubbing hypocrites but im a good person at least i admit what i do at least i love myself and we all know that is the greatest love in the world not that a man lay down his life for his brother that sounds too christian at the root this is the substance of what hell is made of weve become a self indulgant backslidden society no longer responsible to our children to our parents to our families to our government or to our god this is the root behind justification of every evil of every corruption in government of every slanderous remark of every lie and of every murder society cannot continue to live like this long it will have to destroy itsself soon and perhaps in the end that will be the biggest blessing this world can hope to see why do people see so much evil in trying to turn this situation around i deplore the horrible crime of child murder we want prevention not merely punishment we must reach the root of the evil it is practiced by those whose inmost souls revolt from the dreadful deed no mater what the motive love of ease or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed but oh thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime susan b anthony the revolution july 8 1869 medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1993apr23 180430 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes i dont like the term quack being applied to a licensed physician david questionable conduct is more appropriately called unethical in my opinion 3 using laetril to treat cancer patients when such treatment has been shown to be ineffective and dangerous cyanide release by the nci hmm this is certainly among the things i would refer to as quack therapy and would tend to refer to any practitioner who prescribed laetrile whether licensed or not as a quack there are unethical behaviors such as ordering unneccessary tests to increase fees which i would not lable as quackish but prescribing known ineffective therapies seems to me to be one of the hallmarks of a quack david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu guns government biggest cult leader look folks i dont know what happened in waco i do not claim the bds are angels i never did koresh may very well be the devil incarnate i just dont know but i do know that i must question any single source of information such as we have here and i must question even harder given that it is single source at the insistance of that very government what ever else happened at waco that is perhaps the biggest evil done and even more so in light of the discrepencies turning up between the federal officials and the state officials but what i really dont understand is the hoards of devoted government worshipers who believe the government could not possibly do any wrong they are fanatic to the point of making things up such as brents microwave oven disclaim of the bds using fire for food heating i am hard pressed to see any real difference between the claimed power koresh held over the bds and the demonstrated power the government holds over those rapid apologists jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 cars re quick question newsgroups rec autos rec autos vw subject re quick question summary expires references 1993apr5 211457 12789 ole cdac com sender reply to ct22 cunixa cc columbia edu constantino tobio followup to distribution organization columbia university keywords removing panels in article 1993apr5 211457 12789 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes how do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an 87 honda prelude the speaker went scratchy and i want to access its pins i see only one press button and the rest is snug fit s ssave ole cdac com quick question why are you posting this to a vw newsgroup newsgroups rec autos rec autos vw subject re quick question summary followup to distribution world organization columbia university keywords newsgroups rec autos rec autos vw newsgroups rec autos rec autos vw subject re quick question summary expires references 1993apr5 211457 12789 ole cdac com sender reply to ct22 cunixa cc columbia edu constantino tobio followup to distribution organization columbia university keywords removing panels in article 1993apr5 211457 12789 ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes how do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an 87 honda prelude the speaker went scratchy and i want to access its pins i see only one press button and the rest is snug fit s ssave ole cdac com quick question why are you posting this to a vw newsgroup constantino tobio jr ct22 columbia edu tremble you weaklings cower in fear i am your ruler land sea and air immense in my girth erect i stand tall im a nuclear murderer i am polaris megadeth rust in peace windows does win3 1 use a math co processor if a pc has one does windows 3 1 use a math co processor im not talking about specific apps but the os if you want to call it that itself please respond by email peter schwenk schwenk cis udel edu cars re open letter to nissan really station wagon in article apr16 000710 27408 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu eliot writes this weeks autoweek talks about how wagons are getting back in vogue i wouldnt mind an audi s4 wagon great stealth value but youll never catch me dead in a minivan even a minivan based on viper running gear teddy p s i think the audi s4 gets a 4 2 liter v 8 next year religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed xcpslf oryx com stephen l favor writes seems to me koresh is yet another messenger that got killed for the message he carried which says nothing about the character of the messenger i reckon well have to find out the rest the hard way koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns i havent heard of any illegal guns being found he was accused of not paying taxes on legal guns religion 17 apr 93 gods promise in luke 11 28 but he said yea rather blessed are they that hear the word of god and keep it luke 11 28 religion waco conflagration precedents burning yourself alive seems a rough way to go given the waco bunch had other choices but it reminded me of the russian old believers who thinking the antichrist was coming in 1666 grew frantic when peter the great started westernizing russia and reforming the russian church a few years later they locked themselves in their churches and burned themselves alive by the thousands are there other cases of apocalypse obsessed christians resorting to self imolation is there a history of precedents andrew cars re its a rush was re too fast remember roads in america are not designed for speeds above 80 meaning they would be safe at 55 65 roads like the autobahn are smoother straiter wider and slightly banked example a few months back i was traveling late at night 3 00 am or so and i was changing highways at a bent crosssing it curved off to the south east becoming hidden by trees after about 1 000 ft and continued to the left strait north i wanted to turn north checked the south lane rolled into the crossing and checked the north lane nevertheless there wasnt a car in sight so i took one last look and pulled into the left hand lane now my car isnt a 5 sec 0 60 performer but i was in the corect lane and over 40 in decent time even at 3 00 i wasnt wasting time it was then that i checked my mirror and saw a mustang closing in my lane fast he had just turned the corner and was just noticing me luckly he saw me and changed lanes in time i estamate he was moving in excess of 90 or so i was just a by stander i had no chance of runing from him or moving out of his way im glad he saw my brake lights in time i shudder to think of what would have happened had i wainted to pull out and not left the time he needed to dodge me rule just because your car can do 100 and your way is clear dont assume it will stay that way travis disclamer the ideas expressed above are in fact the same as my employer since i have none e mail flame at marshatt feserve cc purdue edu windows re program manager kills my group files in article 1reiqj qtr access digex net bsmith access digex com barry smith writes any clue some times when i enter win 3 1 progman says that i need to rebuild a group its quite annoying ive had the same problem with a maxtor 7213a turned off smartdrive 32 bit disk access etc this same disk aborts norton speed disk nu 4 5 up to 8 times requesting ndd to be run when attempting to defrag drive at some peoples suggestion i reformatted my drive and reloaded dos 5 0 win 3 1 from scratch a few people found that installing 3 1 on top of 3 1 beta on top of 3 0 caused a similar problem so i tried this drastic solution when the problem reoccurred i didnt have the brains not to load 6 0 and dblespaced the drive i get arround the annoyance by copying my grp files to gro when i get the message i run file manager and copy the offeniding group files from gro ove rthe grp then i quit and restart windows if the group is an often used important one this really sucks but im pretty sure that the problem is the drive especially with the nsd problem i will be going with out over 66 of my memory after finals for 2 to 4 weeks while the guy i bought the disk and system from goes over it and either fixes it or replaces the drive i cant wait to have a system that will run consistently with all hte goodies mike hayes knowledge is good faber college motto www knowledge and thoroughness rensselear poly motto unemployed tech no thank you groucho marx a day at the races driven to banging my head against engineering physics for 4 years guns re your evil tax dollars at work was re atf burns ranch etc etc cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1993apr23 162517 14029 hpcvusn cv hp com kam cv hp com keith marchington writes thats another sad thing id expect this sort of shit from the batf but im goddamn disappointed in the fbi they used to be professionals apparently you are unfamiliar with the history of the fbi you might try looking up articles from the 70s on the fbis cointelpro operation for starters dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com the u s government has become a garrotte around the necks of its citizens just as with a garrotte the more people struggle to breathe the air of freedom the more the government tightens its stranglehold the only possible outcomes at this point are the death of government or the elimination of personal freedom guns gun talk state legislative update april 19 1993 as william o douglas noted if a powerful sponsor is lacking individual liberty withers in spite of glowing opinions and resounding constitutional phrases the legislative scorecard outlined below resulted from subcommittee committee and floor action many important victories however come from coordinating with legislators to ensure anti gun anti hunting legislation is either amended favorably rejected or never voted these quiet victories are no less impressive in protecting our fundamental civil liberties guaranteed by the second amendment to the u s constitution arizona sb 1233 nra supported legislation concerning minors in criminal possession of firearms passed the house 36 18 is currently awaiting action by the governor arkansas hb 1447 firearms preemption legislation was signed by the governor making this the forty first state to pass preemption preemption had passed twice in previous sessions only to be vetoed by then gov bill clinton hb 1417 mandatory storage of firearms amended and then killed in committee colorado sb 42 mandating the storage of firearms with a trigger lock killed in committee sb 104 prohibiting the sale of certain semi auto firearms was killed in committee sb 108 so called colorado handgun violence prevention act including a provision for a 10 day waiting period killed in committee connecticut substitute bill no 6372 imposing a 6 tax on all firearms ammunition and archery equipment killed in environment committee florida a bill to require a 3 year license at a cost of 150 to own or possess semi automatic firearms with a second degree felony provision 15 years in prison died in committee along with numerous other anti gun owner bills no anti gun legislation passed in florida this year georgia sb 12 supposed instant check with provision allowing for up to a 7 day waiting period defeated in house public safety committee and sent to interim study committee mandatory storage bill sb 247 was defeated 39 15 in the senate the same bill passed the upper house 52 2 in 1992 illinois hb 90 prohibiting the sale possession manufacture purchase possession or carrying of certain semi auto firearms was defeated in house judiciary ii subcommittee on firearms hb 91 mandatory storage legislation failed in house judiciary subcommittee on firearms hb 1550 repeals foid and makes ftip point of sale check permanent passed out of judiciary committee by a 10 4 2 vote presently on the calendar for third reading in the house sb 40 mandatory storage bill defeated in committee sb 265 imposing a handgun excise tax failed in senate committee on revenues subcommittee on tax increases sb 272 imposing a tax on all persons engaged in the business of selling firearms failed in senate revenue committees subcommittee on tax increases indiana sb 241 statewide firearms preemption passed in the senate 34 16 and in the house 77 22 twelve amendments were introduced on the house floor to sb 241 among these amendments were a ban on certain semi auto firearms mandatory storage trigger lock a ban on saturday night specials similar to 1988 maryland bill and handgun rationing one handgun per month all were defeated i read this morning 4 20 s b 241 was defeated lvc kansas hb 2435 providing for a 72 hour waiting period on all firearms was defeated in committee hb 2458 presently on the governors desk hb 2459 and sb 243 and 266 all relating to victims rights are expected to be enacted into law maine funding for the department of fish and wildlife 1993 94 budget was restored following severe reductions in the governors proposed budget ld 612 an anti hunting bill which included reverse posting and 1000 yard safety zones killed in committee maryland sb 6 firearms incendiary ammunition died in committee on a 8 3 vote sb 41 reckless endangerment firearms sale or transfer died in committee on a 11 0 vote sb 126 gun control assault weapons died in committee on 9 2 vote sb 182 weapons free school zone was withdrawn sb 185 weapons on school property drivers license suspension was withdrawn sb 265 assault pistols sale purchase or transport died in committee on 8 3 vote sb 328 assault pistols act of 1993 died in committee on a 8 3 vote sb 682 baltimore city firearms rifles and shotguns died in committee on a 9 2 vote hb 274 pistol and revolver dealers licenses compliance with zoning laws was withdrawn hb 366 regulated firearms sales and transfer died on the senate floor hb 374 handguns and assault weapons advertising for sale or transfer died in committee hb 384 handguns and assault weapons exhibitors died in committee hb 495 assault pistols act of 1993 died in committee on a 14 9 vote hb 496 gun shows sale trade or transfer of regulated firearms died in committee on a 19 6 vote hb 601 firearms handguns assault pistols handgun roster board was withdrawn hb 683 rifles and shotguns registration was withdrawn hb 945 pistols and revolvers private sales or transfers required notice died in committee and hb 1128 prince georges county weapons free school zone was withdrawn mississippi hb 141 closing a loophole allowing felons to possess firearms passed both houses and signed by the governor the bill codifies into law mechanism for certain felons to have their second amendment liberties reinstated nebraska lb 83 and lb 225 mandatory trigger lock bills killed in committee new hampshire h b 363 providing for reciprocity for concealed carry licenses passed h b 671 increasing the term of a license to carry loaded handguns passed new mexico sb 762 imposing a 7 day waiting period defeated in senate committee 0 5 and then on floor of the senate 15 24 hb 182 mandatory storage legislation was killed by a vote of 1 8 in committee hb 230 legislation safeguarding sportsmen in the field from harassment by animal rights extremists signed into law by the governor on march 30 new york seven day waiting period was defeated in the city of buffalo ban on certain semi autos was defeated in monroe county the tax and fee bills to be imposed on guns and ammo were not included in the 1993 94 budget sb 207 making pistol licenses provides for validity of pistol license throughout the state passed senate currently awaiting action in assembly committee north dakota hb 1484 granting victims compensation in certain circumstances was signed into law by the governor on april 8 oregon sb 334 banning firearms on school grounds and in court buildings withdrawn as a result of gun owners opposition rhode island hb 5273 mandatory firearms storage legislation defeated in committee by a vote of 8 5 hb 6347 an act prohibiting aliens from owning firearm defeated by unanimous vote in committee hb 5650 excepting nra instructors from the firearms safety requirement reported favorably hb 5781 exempting persons with an attorney generals permit from the 7 day waiting period reported to the floor by a vote of 11 1 hb 6917 extending the term of a permit to carry from two years to three years reported to the floor unanimously utah hb 290 reforming the states concealed carry statute passed out of house committee sb 32 creating civil liability for so called negligent storage of a firearm and sb 33 creating the offense of reckless endangerment with a firearm killed on senate floor virginia s b 336 and s b 803 requiring proof of state residence to obtain virginia drivers license passed s b 804 which increases the penalty and imposes a mandatory minimum sentence for straw man purchases of multiple firearms passed s b 858 allowing possession of sawed off rifles and shotguns in compliance with federal law passed s b 1054 making it a felony for first offense of carrying a concealed firearm without a license which the nra opposes until law abiding citizens can acquire a concealed carry license for self defense was defeated h b 1900 increasing the penalty for use of a firearm in committing a felony was passed h b 2076 requiring proof of residence to obtain a drivers license passed h b 2272 providing for a referendum on the imposition of a statewide three day waiting period in handgun purchases was defeated washington sb 5160 calling for waiting periods and licensing for all semi automatic firearms died in committee west virginia s c r 18 which calls for a study to control transfers of handguns and assault weapons was defeated in the senate 24 10 wisconsin in a referendum up against all odds the determined efforts of the madison area citizens against crime paid off on april 6 when a nonbinding referendum banning the possession of handguns in madison wisconsin was defeated despite opposition to the ban aired largely by firearms owners at a series of public meetings on the issue the common council voted on february 17 to place the referendum on the ballot allowing only seven weeks of campaigning to reverse public opinion on the controversial issue an october 1992 poll conducted by the wisconsin state journal found 57 in support and 38 opposed with 5 expressing no opinion by election day of the more than 56 000 voters who went to the polls 51 cast ballots in opposition to the proposal while 49 voted to have the madison common council enact such a ban the campaign committee spearheaded by the wisconsin pro gun movement and nra ila relied on neighborhood canvassing direct mail and radio tv advertising to educate voters on the civil liberties implications raised by enforcement of the ban if the referendum was approved despite the surprising defeat it is expected that the madison initiatives chief proponent mayor paul soglin will attempt to have the common council enact an ordinance banning handguns downloaded from gun talk 703 719 6406 a service of the national rifle association institute for legislative action washington dc 20036 larry cipriani l v cipriani att com windows trident 8900 cl 1280x1024 driver please excuse if faq but new trident 8900cl based card claims to have 1280x1024 support drivers with card indicate several 1280x1024 drivers on diskette windows 3 1 does not make all drivers on diskette available to configuration dialog box any suggestion thanx please e mail dfeldman uswest com medicine re sumatripton spelling it just received fda approval a few months ago i have a prescription which i havent had to use yet i believe the company glaxol is developing an oral form at this stage one must inject the drug into ones muscle the doctor said that within 30 minutes the migraine is gone for good religion re rfd misc taoism in article 1993apr22 004331 22548 coe montana edu uphrrmk gemini oscs montana edu jack coyote writes sunlight shining off of the ocean the universe mirrored in a puddle aleph null bottles of beer on the wall aleph null bottles of beer take one down pass it around aleph null bottles of beer on the wall isnt it amazing how there always seems to be another bottle of bheer there aleph one bottles of beer on the wall aleph one null bottles of beer you too are a puddle as above so below mark medicine re good grief was re candida albicans what is it dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes snort ah there go my sinuses again oh wow a classic textbook hey they laughed at einstein too yeah ill bet tomorrow the world listen uncontrolled studies like this are worthless im sure you are you sound like the typical hysteric hypochondriac who responds to miracle cures yeah it makes sense to me so of course it should be taken seriously snort yeah it sounds reasonable to me oh really what tests immune compromised my ass more like credulous malingerer this is a psychiatric syndrome you know its a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused in this way its ridiculously expensive and potentially toxic the trouble is that it isnt toxic enough so it gets abused by quacks the only good thing about nystatin is that its relatively cheap and when taken orally non toxic but oral nystatin is without any systemic effect so unless it were given iv it would be without any effect on your sinuses i wish these quacks would first use iv nystatin or amphotericin b on people like you that would solve the yeast problem once and for all perhaps a little haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating your symptoms are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket id hate to think my insurance premiums are going towards this steve take a look at what you are saying i dont see one construvtive word here if you dont have anything constructive to add why waste the bandwidth yeah sure flame me for doing it myself is this sci med or alt flame like it or not medical science does not know categorically everything about everything im not flaming your knowledge just asking you to sit back and ask yourself what if minds are like parachutes they only function when they are open oh and if you do want to flame me or anyone else how about using email rob who doesnt claim any relevant qualifications just interest rob geraghty 3 things are important to me robg citr uq oz au the gift of love the joy of life citr and the making of music in all its forms cars shifting without clutch while is it ok to take the car out of gear without using the clutch while the car is turned off thanks in advance please reply by mail eric cars re impala ss going into production qazi csd4 csd uwm edu writes from the latest issue of autoweek the chevy impala ss will arrive in dealer showrooms in mid 1994 dealers have already been notified no word on the changes to be made for the production version my question to all of you is would you buy it and how much would you pay for it aamir qazi qazi csd4 csd uwm edu why should i care id rather watch drying paint aamir qazi qazi csd4 csd uwm edu why should i care id rather watch drying paint alright gm finally my wishes have come true moby dick with a corvette engine dont you think they should maybe spend the money doing something about the lousy build quality design of their bigger selling cars this is another example of why gm is in so much trouble if youre going to stick the lt 1 or zr 1 engine in a car at least make it a nice looking one sheesh guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r3j2k da2 menudo uh edu hadcrjam admin uh edu miller jimmy a writes the problem with the fbi as a monolithic entity doing it is that it requires everybody involved to keep their mouths shut while they tended to behave like total idiots that does not make them homocidal maniacs either and if it was one nutcase agent then it serves no purpose to blame the whole agency a great deal of documentation exists on exactly that phenomenon especially regarding vietnam and the mai lai sp massacre not that im suggesting that they started it on purpose but even if they now know that they accidentally started or contributed to it you can be sure the initial reaction is to lie remember the iranian airliner which the us navy mistook for a fighter and shot down alan greig janet a greig uk ac dct dundee institute of technology internet a greig dct ac uk tel 0382 308810 int 44 382 308810 never underestimate the power of human stupidity medicine reasons for hospitals to join internet what resources and services are available on internet bitnet which would be of interest to hospitals and other medical care providers im interested in anything relelvant including institutions and businesses of interest to the medical profession on internet special services such as online access to libraries or diagnostic information etc etc please reply directly to andy maine edu guns re dillon puts foot in mouth film at 11 i have also heard about hci claiming thant anyone they get an address from is a member if this is the case their membership rolls are grossly inflated and we should not call them and give them a name and address to add to their already false rolls perhaps if you could get a copy of their existing membership then pretend to be an existing member do that several thousand times you could hurt hci but names are power remeber the nra uses the fact that it has 3 million paid members in order to flex its muscles perhaps politicians dont realize the lying tactics of hci wait a minute hci learned it from politicians later josh baseball al opi through first week here is the opi offensive production index for all al players with at least 10 at bats it is early in the season so there are some very high numbers last years leader was frank thomas at 0 682 teams are denoted by an as the first character of the name and each player has his team preceeding his name the equations used are found at the end of the post comments and suggestions are welcome kevin league opi 0 448 league ba 0 268 league slg 0 405 league oba 0 341 rank player opi ba slg oba 1 tor carter 2 142 0 583 1 417 0 615 2 cle baerga 1 432 0 520 1 040 0 538 3 det phillips 1 334 0 565 0 609 0 655 4 oak mcgwire 1 147 0 364 0 636 0 632 5 tor white 1 065 0 500 0 650 0 545 6 bal anderson 0 951 0 423 0 692 0 500 7 nyy owen 0 934 0 500 0 577 0 567 8 oak rhenderson 0 911 0 391 0 565 0 533 9 mil thon 0 804 0 476 0 619 0 476 10 oak browne 0 800 0 476 0 476 0 522 11 tex palmer 0 781 0 333 0 875 0 333 11 det gibson 0 781 0 312 0 562 0 500 13 cle howard 0 755 0 455 0 727 0 455 14 nyy tartabull 0 742 0 296 0 667 0 424 15 tex rodriguez 0 736 0 429 0 500 0 529 15 tex gonzalez 0 736 0 261 0 913 0 292 17 bos zupcic 0 728 0 400 0 500 0 455 18 sea felder 0 723 0 357 0 429 0 471 19 oak blankenship 0 722 0 333 0 333 0 524 20 min puckett 0 717 0 280 0 720 0 379 21 nyy oneill 0 710 0 435 0 609 0 458 22 cle belle 0 703 0 348 0 696 0 375 23 sea buhner 0 699 0 294 0 471 0 478 24 mil hamilton 0 682 0 458 0 458 0 500 25 det whitaker 0 680 0 312 0 500 0 421 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200 0 200 0 273 130 whi ventura 0 247 0 167 0 167 0 310 130 tex palmeiro 0 247 0 130 0 261 0 167 132 bal reynolds 0 227 0 118 0 118 0 250 133 kan mayne 0 222 0 231 0 231 0 231 133 cal myers 0 222 0 231 0 231 0 231 135 nyy nokes 0 219 0 150 0 300 0 150 136 bos calderon 0 209 0 167 0 167 0 286 137 bos pena 0 207 0 267 0 267 0 267 138 tor molitor 0 194 0 150 0 200 0 190 139 det deer 0 182 0 125 0 167 0 192 140 det cuyler 0 179 0 077 0 154 0 143 141 tor borders 0 159 0 111 0 167 0 158 142 whi grebeck 0 141 0 100 0 100 0 182 143 bal gdavis 0 137 0 111 0 148 0 143 144 tex dascenzo 0 128 0 091 0 182 0 091 145 min leius 0 115 0 083 0 083 0 154 145 mil reimer 0 115 0 083 0 083 0 154 147 tor djackson 0 114 0 133 0 133 0 133 148 tex gill 0 070 0 059 0 059 0 158 149 kan gagne 0 042 0 095 0 095 0 095 0 74 1b 1 28 2b 1 64 3b 2 25 hr 0 53 bb 0 34 sb 2 cs opi ab h ba h ab slg h 2b 2 3b 3 hr ab oba h bb ab bb jet propulsion laboratory schmke cco caltech edu 4800 oak grove dr schmidt spc5 jpl nasa gov m s 525 3684 pasadena ca 91109 guns re the pill for deer no hunting jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes new to this planet everything is dependent on either public or political opinion usually political to imagine that inalienable rights are somehow wired into the vast cold cosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion we hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness declaration of independence 4 july 1776 aaron arc cco caltech edu windows re fall comdex 93 dls128 psuvm psu edu wrote does anyone out there have any info on the up and coming fall comdex 93 i was asked by one of my peers to get any info that might be available or could anyone point me in the right direction any help would be appreciated its in las vegas as always between november 16th and 20th for more information contact the interface group 300 first avenue needham ma 02194 2722 sorry no phone number available consult directory service in massachusetts for the number 617 508 or 413 willy ville v walveranta tel fax 510 420 0729 96 linda ave apt 5 from finland 990 1 510 420 0729 oakland ca 94611 4838 faxes automatically recognized usa email wil shell portal com windows setting up a slip client under dos and windows long i have been posting monthly how to setup a slip client on a pc posts for a few months lots of work and imminent graduation have come in the way of posting one of these for march or earlier this month for which i apologize this file includes information on writing a script for university of minnesota phone and also a batch file hack that lets you use other packet drivers with phone for additions modifications and corrections i can be reached at ashok biochemistry cwru edu best wishes ashok begin slip txt based on my experiences on setting up slip under dos and windows here are my comments on setting up slip in this environment i thank the trumpet beta testers and the cwru slip beta testers for their comments configuring your modem a turn off dtr at d0 w i have to disable dtr because the communication program that i use to dial my slip server qmodem drops dtr when i exit the program and therefore hangs up the line if you use a program like kermit or conex to establish the slip connection then this need not be done these programs do not necessarily hangup the line when you exit note if you use univ of minn phone to dial and establish a slip connection you do not need to turn off dtr b dial and establish the slip connection first this can be done automatically if you use a program like phone from the university of minnesota which will dial and establish a slip connection then load the slip packet driver the phone scripting language is simple and phone scripts can be easily written to configure phone to work with other slip server in addition while the only packet driver that phone works with is umslip currently it is easy to write a batch file hack that lets phone work with other packet drivers there is a section on phone in the document with both script and batch file examples configuring the slip drivers there are five slip packet drivers commonly available cslipper exe peter tattams compressed slip driver slipper exe peter tattams slip driver slip8250 com crynwr driver i like phil burns modified driver ethersl com crynwr driver ethernet simulation over slip umslip com univ of minnesota driver based on slip8250 of these four i vastly prefer c slipper exe over slip8250 com or ethersl com for the following reasons a it is much faster even though my modem has just a 16450 uart b while using etherslip slip8250 umslip myself and several others have noticed that the pc clock gets messed up after performing a long ftp transfer c it supports pktmux when used in ethernet simulation mode d when used in ethernet simulation mode c slipper seem to work with every tcp ip application that i have tested it with instructions for c slipper exe and you do not use phone a load slipper in your autoexec bat file according to instructions for instance if you have a v 32bis modem on com1 slipper com1 vec 62 baud 57600 b if you use dos tcp ip applications in win 3 1 dos boxes then use the double ended packet driver shim winpkt com this creates a virtual packet driver at 0x60 dos applications in native mode dos applications in windows 3 1 dos boxes and windows applications can all use this virtual driver at 0x60 winpkt com 0x60 0x62 c if you use qvt net load pktint com next qvt net is configured in qvtnet ini to use the interrupt at 0x60 pktint com instructions for slip8250 com a try getting a version 10 slip driver philip burns of northwestern university has a modified slip8250 com driver that is better at hardware handshaking this driver is distributed along with nupop b load the driver after establishing the slip connection my modem is a v 32bis modem on com1 so here is how i would load the driver slip8250 w 0x62 h 4 slip 0x03f8 57600 c as discussed above if you use dos tcp ip applications in windows 3 x dos boxes you probably want to use winpkt com winpkt com 0x60 0x62 d if you use winqvt net load pktint com pktint com instructions for ethersl com if you choose to use ethersl com instead of slip8250 com the instructions are exactly the same with one crucial difference you will have to delete the line device vcd from the 386enh section of system ini this will interfere with running regular windows comm applications such as crosstalk and you will get lots of dropped characters etc in these applications this is therefore not recommended etherslip would be loaded as ethersl w 0x62 h 4 0x03f8 57600 configuring windows 3 1 a make the following modifications to the system ini file 386enh section i list all your com ports with their addresses and interrupts com1base 03f8 com1irq 4 com2base 02f8 com2irq 3 com3base 03e8 com3irq 5 this can also be done from within windows control panel but double clicking on the ports icon ii give the port to which your modem is attached a generous com buffer com1buffer 10000 iii change the com port autoassign value for the com port that you wish to use for your modem to zero this is the amount of time that windows waits in seconds before handing control of that com port to another application if you use winqvt net and then want to switch from one session to another and this value is at the default value of 2 seconds you are will get a gpf and windows will crash com1autoassign 0 this can also be done from within windows control panel double click on 386 enhanced and under device contention set the device contention for the com port your modem is on to never warn additional notes what to do if you are assigned a different ip address for each slip session i am fortunate in that our campus slip server assigns each user a permanent ip address so i do not have worry about editing qvtnet ini each time that i establish a slip connection if you are assigned a new ip address on every occasion that you dial in please try to use bootp aware software and let bootp do the configuration for you however qvtnet is not bootp aware and rarp will not work over a slip connection to get qvtnet working in a situation such as this you must do the following edit the qvtnet ini file let the net section look like this net name ip netmask 255 255 255 0 or whatever is appropriate for you arptime 20 packet vector 60 or whatever is appropriate save the changes and then write protect this file attrib r qvtnet ini start your slip connection and remember the name and ip address that you are assigned each time you start qvt net 3 1x the general configuration dialog box will open enter the name and ip address and you were assigned for that session click on ok and you should be up and running the changes you make will not be saved as qvtnet ini is write protected a more elegant solution to the problem of dynamic slip ip address assignment is provided by victor menayang victor ccwf cc utexas edu victor uses the program bootpq to semi automate qvtnet preparation bootpq is used to inquire the assigned ip which is then saved to a file called myip another file noip is essentially a complete qvtnet ini file that lacks the ip address in the final step myip and noip are copied into a single qvtnet ini file an example of victors batch file is provided below slipper com2 pktint com bootpq i ip s myip bootpq i my ip is s copy q net myip noip e com qvtnet qvtnet ini del q myip echo off echo echo ready to run winqvtnet for questions and more details about bootpq please contact victor menayang victor ccwf cc utexas edu qpc software is attempting to add bootp capability to winqvt net how do you use pktmux over slip pktmux will not work over the slip8250 com packet driver and crashes immediately if used with ethersl com pktmux will work with c slipper exe when c slipper is used in ethernet simulation mode an example of this configuration is shown below the latest release of pktmux is 1 2c and it is important that you use this version if you want to use virtual packet drivers with applications like trumpet for windows to be released very shortly from autoexec bat lh c slipper com1 vec 65 baud 57600 ether packet driver lh pktmux 5 65 5 pktmux loaded for 5 virtual packet drivers lh pktdrv 7f 65 first virtual packet driver used for qvt net lh pktint com qvt net pktint com pktdrv 63 65 pktdrv for use in native dos or wintrumpet additional virtual packet drivers can be loaded directly from within windows 3 1 dos boxes for example my pif file to load popmail is directed to the file popmail bat this is what popmail bat reads like pktdrv 60 65 loads a virtual packet driver at 0x60 cd popmail popmail cd pktdrv 60 u unloads the packet driver at 0x60 exit causes the dos window to close i have similar batch files that load other dos tcp ip applications like pc gopher it is my experience that pktmux works fine even if the virtual packet drivers in two independent virtual dos sessions are loaded at the same software interrupt for example within two different dos boxes one for popmail and the other for gopher the virtual packet driver pktdrv is loaded at 0x60 in each instance how much does pktmux degrade the performance of c slipper i have a v 32bis v 42bis modem in a 386 33 running windows 3 1 with a reasonably fast video card ati graphics ultra under these conditions when i have three virtual packet drivers loaded and being used as follows a driver at 0x7f qvtnet ftp client session b driver at 0x60 in one dos window cutcp tn3270 session c driver at 0x60 in another dos window trumpet for dos i get ftp transfer rates of 0 8 1 0 kb sec while transferring compressed files this rate is comparable to that which i get with slip8250 loaded as a packet driver and where a single tcp ip session is active if cslipper is used a packet driver and a single session is active i get transfer rates of 1 3 1 4 kb sec on the same files while there is about 40 degradation in the performance of slipper for me the benefits of being able to use pktmux outweigh the performance hit c slipper and ethernet simulation mode in ethernet simulation mode c slipper ver 1 3 works with all the applications that i have tested it with one or two applications that required ethernet simulation balked at c slipper 1 2 but even these rare problems have been resolved with ver 1 3 when slipper is used in ethernet simulation mode and used with pktmux i get some an error message in the qvtnet console window that reads ip incorrect packet type or ip bad version number this does not seem to prevent qvtnet from functioning although i cannot comment on loss of performance what can you do if your dos tcp ip application does not work with c slipper in ethernet simulation mode in the rare event that you find a package that does not work with c slipper in ethernet simulation mode first contact the author peter tattam peter psychnet psychol utas edu au and let him know chances are that he can fix it in the meanwhile you can try the following i do not know if it is kosher but it worked when i had problems with c slipper ver 1 2 c slipper is loaded at 0x62 as described above under the pktmux section i load ethersl com at 0x60 run the application and then terminate ethersl com this also works within windows 3 1 virtual dos boxes however a packet driver like ethersl can be used in only one virtual dos box at a time so for example here is my batch file to run grateful med a medical reference retrieval program developed at the national library of medicine ethersl w 0x60 h 4 0x03f8 57600 loads etherslip cd gm6 search cd termin 0x60 terminates etherslip exit closes the dos box and returns me to windows if you use this method be cautious about one thing dont have any active pktmux dos sessions open at the same time after closing the ethersl window you can run your pktmux dos sessions with no problem btw the example above grateful med works with no problems with c slipper ver 1 3 phone script files the documentation that accompany phone provide good instructions on writing script files to get phone to dial slip servers other than the university of minnesota server for example here is a script that i use to dial a cisco server at the university that i attend background to start a slip connection i dial our terminal server and login with a username and password after doing so i start a slip session with the following command slip username slip dialin cwru edu followed by my password again here then is the relevant portion of the phone cmd script file cwru ts2 slip login script by ashok aiyar 3 26 93 last revised 3 28 93 procedure host cwru login timeout 60 cwru ts2 terminal server is not responding message cwru ts2 slip login script version 1 1 message waiting for slip server to respond quiet on expect verification message request for user verification received from cwru ts2 message sending your user name and password quiet off expect username send u expect password private send p reject access denied your user name or password was not accepted timeout 30 slip server did not respond to your validation request expect cwru ts2 send slip timeout 10 slip server did not respond to slip command expect ip hostname or address send u slip dialin cwru edu timeout 10 slip server did not respond to hostname reject bad ip address incorrect hostname expect password send p reject access denied password not accepted timeout 10 expect header compression will match your system message login to cwru slip server successful wait 1 0 endprocedure host cwru login procedure host cwru logout nothing special needs to be done to logout endprocedure host cwru logout end of script file how to use packet drivers other than umslip with phone the quick answer there is no clean way below is a batch file hack that i wrote to use phone with other packet drivers in this example the packet driver is peter tattams cslipper to use a batch file like this you must know the parameters with which you plan to use the packet driver i e interrupt vector baud rate port address and irq this batch file requires umslip com cslipper exe and termin com to be in the same directory or in your path all that the batch file does is to let you dial the slip connection using phone load the appropriate packet driver hangup the connection and unload the driver when you are done being cwruslip bat echo off rem this batch file is an ugly hack of u of minn slip bat rem awaiting a version of c slipper that can directly interact rem with phone rem cwruslip bat file is used with phone exe to start a slip rem connection on cwru ts2 rem last modified 3 28 93 ashok aiyar echo off cls goto start start if 1 goto help if 1 help goto help if 1 setup goto setup if 1 dial goto forced if 1 hangup goto forceh if 1 quit goto forceh if 1 help goto help if 1 setup goto setup if 1 dial goto forced if 1 quit goto forceh goto bogus goto unload forceh termin 0x60 umslip nul phone force hangup goto unload slipper termin 0x60 rem the following line must be changed to reflect the com port rem irq baud rate and software interrupt lh c packet cslipper com1 vec 60 baud 57600 ether goto end forced termin 0x60 umslip nul phone force dial goto slipper setup termin 0x60 umslip nul phone setup goto help unload termin 0x60 goto end bogus echo 1 is not a valid command echo try cwruslip help for a list of valid commands echo help echo echo case western reserve university slip setup echo using univ of minnesota phone echo echo cwruslip setup modem settings phone number username etc echo echo cwruslip dial dial and establish the slip connection echo cwruslip quit hangup the phone and unload the driver echo cwruslip help this screen echo end end cwruslip bat where to get what peter tattams programs are archived at ftp utas edu au c slipper and the trumpet set of programs winqvt net is generally archived at most windows ftp sites including ftp cica indiana edu ncsa telnet is archived at ftp ncsa uiuc edu nupop is archived at ftp acns nwu edu popmail pc slipdisk phone and pc gopher are archived at boombox micro umn edu end slip txt ashok aiyar mail ashok biochemistry cwru edu department of biochemistry tel 216 368 3300 cwru school of medicine cleveland ohio fax 216 368 4544 cars re electronic odometers was used bmw question in article 9833 dirac physics purdue edu lovall bohr physics purdue edu daniel l lovall writes it shouldnt be that hard if you know much about digital electronics if the counter is made with standard ttl chips all you should need to do is find the chip s used for counting figure out what mileage you want to put in and preset it but wiring the preset pins directly to low high youd also have to know what the conventions are for low and high it might be a little more involved than this but it shouldnt be beyond someone with a bsee or bs eet all the display does is convert what the counter chips say into digits using a translation table stored in rom nobody is using discrete ics to do these functions anymore if at all i doubt any of the motor electronics had any to start with much less ttl i can almost guarantee that itll a fruitless attempt to figure out how bmw does it without breaking anything and invalidating any warranty on the car if youre lucky youd still be able to start the car windows re head to head win and os 2 i really think you are comparing apples and oranges nobody disputes that os 2 has more big os features the question is does an individual need the power the sales of windows vs os 2 answer that question the next question is even if i did want to run os 2 and i had this big monster machine to run it on is there a diverse set of applications to run on it that allow me to productviely do my work go to your local computer store to answer this one i think the comparison you need to be doing is nt vs os2 2 1 this is where the new battle lines will be drawn windows 3 1 has won the single user pc war the next one will be the client server war and the entries are nt os2 2 1 unix and netware 4 0 granted these oss will be eventually scaled down to be attractive to the single user pc and that will probably be phase ii of the war who wins only the marketplace will tell but it sure is fun watching and arguing about it tho thx dave l religion re is it good that jesus died in article 1993apr23 210109 21120 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes kent i am not accusing you of evil things jesus is accusing you and it is not only you that he is accusing he is accusing everyone me you and everyone in the world is guilty whether one sees the light or does not seen the light has nothing to do with whether we do evil things we do them regardless have you ever made a mistake have you ever lied to someone even a little white lie have you ever claimed to know something that you really didnt know have you ever hated someone have you ever been selfish are you guilty of any one of these the answer is of course yes you are guilty period that is it what jesus is getting at no big surprise feelings do not even enter the picture consider jesuss use of the word guilt as how a court uses it you said everyone in the world that means everyone in the world including children that are not old enough to speak let alone tell lies if jesus says everyone you cannot support that by referring to a group of people somewhat smaller than everyone on the first day after christmas my truelove served to me leftover turkey on the second day after christmas my truelove served to me turkey casserole that she made from leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings pizza hut commercial and m tlu a gic bait ken arromdee arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu baseball the bob dylan baseball abstract just a little something i found while reading the village voice which is not noted for its sports coverage but occasionally the print some interesting features this year the predictions team analyses for the 1993 season were presented in the form of bob dylan lyrics i dont have the article in front of me so ill only give the memorable ones here that i remember and know the melody to i could dig up more if there is interest yankess to the tune of subterranean homesick blues howe is in the basement mixing up the medicine george is on the pavement thinking bout the government wade boggs in a trench coat bat out paid off says hes got a bad back wants to get it laid off look out kids its somethin you did dont know when but its columbus again mets to the tune of like a rolling stone once upon a time you played so fine you threw away dykstra before his prime didnt you people said beware cone hes bound to roam but you thought they were just kidding you you used to laugh about the strawberry that was headin out but now you dont talk so loud now you dont seem so proud about having to shop vince coleman for your next deal phillies to the tune of highway 61 well daulton and dykstra should have some fun just keep them off of highway 61 giants to the tune of the ballad of rubin hurricane carter this is the story of the magowan the man st petersburg came to pan for something that he never done he sits in the owners box but one day he could have been the tampian of the world bill moakler lpo 10280 rutgers anime moakler remus rutgers edu po box 5064 atlantic anime alliance 908 932 3465 new brunswick nj 08903 chibi con 93 i am not an otaku i am a free man cars re water in trunk of 89 probe in article 1r1crn 27g transfer stratus com tszeto sneezy ts stratus com tommy szeto writes water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friends 89 ford probe every once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water under the plywood carpet cover on the trunk i would guess this usually happens after a good thunder storm a few qs 1 is this a common problem 2 where are the drain holes located for the hatch i had the same problem in my 90 mx 6 luckily i had it fixed under warranty i think they replaced a tail light gasket check with a dealer its a known problem robert k abbott abbott tps enet dec com windows fortran library for ms windows hi i will like to know if there is a fortran library for ms windows v3 out there i have several lots of source code written by past a ps in ms fortran and recently have needed to port them to ms windows i would like to avoid a major code rewrite if possible maybe a windows library is all i need please help reply by e mail to traversmorgan swell actrix gen nz guan lye chua c travers morgan nz ltd p o box 11 525 wellington nz tel 64 4 471 0303 fax 64 4 471 0353 guns re my reply to ny times editorial dear member of the nra in 1993apr20 004532 23086 husc3 harvard edu kim39 scws8 harvard edu john kim writes as a legal gun owner i must disagree even when i dont see eye to eye with the n r a on a particular issue they are the only national group which has effectively fought for my rights to target shoot hunt and protect myself from dangerous criminals one more time it aint about duck hunting it aint about lone perps on lonely streets its about defending our rights from the government which has seen fit to ignore history and attempt once again to take them from us they will succeed if we dont do something now thats why i think the nra is a bunch of weenies because they have forgotten that fundamental fact pardon all my shouting but there seem to be a whole helluva lot of people on condition white fat dumb and happy sucking that glass teat for all theyre worth wake up and smell the cordite gang theyre shooting at us and its high time we shot back at least with our keyboards my two bits glenn r stone glenns eas gatech edu fly your flags at half staff and upside down to mourn and protest the death of the bor windows okidata 2410 printer driver i have an okidata 2410 printer for which i would like to have a printer driver has anyone seen such a thing there is not one on the microsoft bbs i can print to it from windows but i have no fonts available and with paradox for windows i cant print labels on it unless there is a proper printer defined thanks bryan k ward survey research center university of utah i mail bryan src sbs utah edu cars re dirty diesels in article nataraja 735341980 opal12 nataraja rtsg mot com kumaravel natarajan writes i heard the diesels are considered cleaner burning than gas engines because the emit less of carbon monoxide hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen co hc nox but they can put out a lot of particulate matter i heard something about legislation being discussed to clean up diesel emissions is there anything in the works to install scrubbers for diesels how about the feasibility of installing them on trucks and cars would it be any different than a catylitic converter id assume easier since were removing particulate matter instead of converting gasses lets hear peoples opinions vel natarajan nataraja rtsg mot com motorola cellular arlington hts il this really bugs me the emissions of diesels are the cleanest of any vechicle but they are considered so polluting that they are banned in passenger cars in california what a bunch of crap diesel is the fuel of choice for enviromental benefit in europe while here its illegal for the same reason the particulates are nothing but carbon they are just an annoyance at worst nothing beats the diesel cycle for efficiency and emissions torque or engine durability its also cheaper horace dediu gte laboratories 617 466 4111 40 sylvan road internet hdediu gte com waltham ma 02254 baseball mattingly just to add to this vein consider that range of a first baseman is not the only important thing he is imo the best fielder of bad throws from the other infielders i have seen him scoop balls out of the dirt catch balls off a large bounce take down balls over his head wide etc ad infinitum and he gets the out much of the time some of the things he does to save his infielders of errors are amazing you have to give mattingly credit for being able to do all of that while keeping his foot near the bag yes i am sure he gets a few calls because he is mattingly keith keller lets go rangers kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs in this corner lets go quakers weighing in at almost every weight imaginable life and all that surrounds it blues traveler 1993 religion re whos next mormons and jews in article 2855 tredysvr tredydev unisys com tom tredysvr tredydev unisys com tom albrecht wrote in article 1993apr20 220340 2585 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee writes armed to the teeth a christian should not have to rely on physical weapons to defend himself a christian should rely on his faith and intelligence faith and intelligence tell me that when a druggie breaks into my house at night with a knife to kill me for the 2 in my wallet a 357 is considerably more persuasive than having devotions with him in other words faith in a 357 is far stronger than faith in a god providing a miracle for his followers interesting now if david korresh was god why couldnt he use lightning instead of semi automatic rifles it seems even he didnt trust in himself cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net windows postscript to bmp conversion hi all i am working on a project in visual basic ver 2 0 and i need to show postcript files i am getting from another aplication so because i cant show postscript directly form visual basic at least i dont know how i need a utility to convert them to bmp wmf any help will be appreshieated kobi elimelech messges can be sent to me at kobi asimov hacktic nl medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article c5h74z 9v4 crdnns crd ge com meltsner crd ge com writes i wouldnt call it a double blind but one local restaurants soup provokes an impressive migraine headache for my wife that one take out and no other nothing unisual quote chinese restaurant syndrome crs a transient syndrome associated with arterial dilatation due to ingestion of monosodium glutamate which is used liberally in seasoning chinese food it is characterized by throbbing of the head lightheadedness tightness of the jaw neck and shoulders and bachache end quote source dorlands illustrated medical dictionary 27th edition 1988 w b saunders p 1632 this was known long ago brain produces and uses some msg naturally but not in doses it is served at some chinese places having said that i might add that in mho msg does not enhance flavor enoughf for me to miss it when i go to chinese places i order food without msg goos places will do it for you a prerequisite for such a service would be a waiter capable of understanding what you want good luck am alexander m milshteyn m d milsh cipr server mgh harvard edu cipr mgh in boston ma 617 724 9507 vox 617 726 7830 fax windows version control for mac and pc lan we have a lan where we are doing development on product for multiple platforms for the moment we are only working on mac and dos windows the department has always used sneaker net to transport files to the mac since it requires a filter to strip out the lf characters until recently no one concidered using any version control to mediate and as a result the 5 programmers spent a great deal of time merging files together at the end of each week so that a new system could be build we are now trying to streamline this process but are hampered by the lack of software that will allow us to share files across pc and mac platforms i understand that pvcs used to do this but that they no longer support the mac product anyone know why polytron i have seen people ask about development in multiple platforms so i assume that ours is not a new problem who has had to deal with it what solutions have you come up with thanks in advance for any and all suggestions via posting or email if there are enough email responses then i will post a synopsis of the knowledge charles emmons charles emmons charles trintex uucp these opinions are prodigy services co charles trintex uunet uu net mine alone unless white plains ny 10601 voice 914 993 8856 you would like to prodigy id kjrd82a fax 914 993 8659 share them religion re rfd misc taoism in article 1993apr22 152720 24846 radian uucp markbr radian natinst com mark writes in article 1993apr22 004331 22548 coe montana edu uphrrmk gemini oscs montana edu jack coyote writes sunlight shining off of the ocean the universe mirrored in a puddle aleph null bottles of beer on the wall aleph null bottles of beer take one down pass it around aleph null bottles of beer on the wall isnt it amazing how there always seems to be another bottle of bheer there aleph one bottles of beer on the wall aleph one null bottles of beer you too are a puddle as above so below mark wow look at alllthe pretty puddles jimmy crack koan and i dont care jimmy crack koan and i dont care jimmy crack koan and i dont care zen masters gone away la morte who wants to take one down and pass it around the beer not the koans guns re my gun is like my american express card in article cmm 0 90 2 735132009 thomasp surt ifi uio no thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes gun clubs if you are a member you can borrow weapons suprised you are supposed to train with a 22 for the 6 months then you can start with anything bigger drivers licence forgot that usa is the land of cars getting one in scandinavia and northern europe is not easy average time is about 20 hours of training and the cost is rather but we think this is acceptable because a car is not a toy and bad drivers tend to hurt others if you are really bad you wont get a lincence abuse by the goverment this seems to be one of the main problems any harder gun control would just be abused by the goverment either some of you are a little paranoid no offence or you should get a new goverment you do have elections unfortunately elections can and are bought promise the voters money and they will vote for you guns n criminals most weapons used by criminals today are stolen known criminals can not buy weapons thats one of the points of gun control same here convicted felons may not legally purchase firearms and because gun control are strict in whole scandinavia and most of europe we dont have any problem with smuggled guns that you know of while i lived in the dbr a gang robbed a joint us army bundewehr armoury and got several hundred m 16s ammunition handguns and some explosives when i left two years later there were no clues mixing weapons and things that can be use as one what i meant was that cars can kill but they are not guns someone said that if we ban guns wed have to ban cars to because they kill to i dont think we should argue on this one the issue i hope i think we all agree that the criminals are the main problem guns are not a problem but the way they are used is and what are they for who uses them is the problem crime in the u s is no big deal if you are the criminal how about 5 years for murder credit for time served in jail waiting for trial and you are out in 12 months worst case if we would put criminals especially violent ones in the slam for true sentences crime would drop instead we reward them for being good and let them out early very early i think this discusion is interesting when you think of ex jugoslavia they should all have weapons its their rigth to have them and if they use them to kill other innocent people the problem is humans not guns serbs croats and muslims have been killing each other almost since before the invention of guns old women are throwing stones at un trucks this is a hatred that goes beyond reason if 50 of all murders was done with axes would you impose some regulations on them or just say that they are ment to be used at trees and that the axe is not a problem its the axer an example dont flame me just because not exactly 50 are killed by guns yes the problem is the user question back since you are one of the rational ones if all gun crime were to stop would you support dropping all gun controls think about the situation in los angeles where people are buying guns to protect themselves is this a good situation is it the rigth way to deal with the problem they did not believe from experience that the police including national guard could would protect them unless you want to argue that a human being does not have a right to protect him herself they did the right thing what would you suggest as a defense against a mob throwing bottles and rocks and also likely armed with stolen firearms if everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals and their neighbor who have guns what do you think will happen i mean if everybody had a gun in usa criminals would move to scandinavia the average criminal would look for a less hazardous job and the rest would likely be buried at county expense dont flame the englishmen because of northern irland they have gun control that works in england and fonds from usa are one of the reasons why ira can bomb innocents something about throwing stones in glass houses personally i criticize the fools who send money to the ira to make ireland free of course this is the last thing the ira wants because they lose power if england pulls out but thats for another group dont flame them because of what to three children did either the u s has roughly 20 times the major sporting events as the u k how many riots did we have at sporting events last year off the playing field hooligan is a word never used when reffering to sports fans here i guess thats where the different cultures thing comes in can an jugoslav have an oppinion on guns or even peace yes yes the question is is the problem one of too many guns mostly from the army or not enough nonserbians can not defend themselves my numbers about crime rates after restrictions on shot guns are from the police and the statistisk sentralbyraa understood that one sorenson last word responsible gun owners are not a problem but they will be affected if you want to protect your citicens but disarming responsible gun owners is not the solution yet that is exactly what hci is proposing dillon pyron the opinions expressed are those of the ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated 214 462 3556 when im here 214 492 4656 when im home texans vote no on robin hood we need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions not gestures padi dm 54909 medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition bruce data io com bruce reynolds writes anecedotal evidence is worthless even doctors who have been using a drug or treatment for years and who swear it is effective are often suprised at the results of clinical trials whether or not msg causes describable reportable documentable symptoms should be pretty simple to discover i tend to disagree i think anecdotal evidence provided there is a lot of it and it is fairly consistent will is very important first it points to the necessity of doing a study and second it at least says that the effects are all psychological or possibly allergy in this case as ive pointed out before pyschological effects are no less real than other effects one persons make believe can easily be another persons reality using psychadelic drugs in a bizarre and twisted example the hallucinations one person experiences on an acid trip cannot be guaranteed to another person on an acid trip there is no clinical evidence that those effects are always going to happen anyhow that was a pretty lame example but hopefully i made my point its all a matter of perception and as long as someone ingesting msg perceives it as causing bad effects then s he can definitely experience those affects on the other hand it could just be an allergy to the food its in or something still anecdotal evidence is not worthless its the stuff that leads to the study being done dan windows how to respond to wm lbuttondblclk im using bc s objectwindows 3 1 trying to resond to the left button double click message wm lbuttondblclk in a combo box my codes look like class mycombobox public tcombobox public mycombobox ptwindowsobject aparent int resourceid word atextlen tcombobox aparent resourceid atextlen virtual void wmlbuttondblclk rtmessage msg wm first wm lbuttondblclk void mycombobox wmlbuttondblclk rtmessage msg responding to the message selecting the item in the list box anything wrong with my program any help would be appreciated jun to talk to the lord with ps 2 through ms windows guns re atf burns dividian ranch update on 21 apr 93 11 28 57 0800 yodicet gtewd mtv gtegsc com said ah yes i see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork to defend the burning of the children probably drooled all over themselves while watching the tv coverage probably had a few like that in nazi germany as well oh yeah atf fbi now claims according the the media that there are a few survivors the number seems to vary minute by minute yodicet yodicet yodicet hmm you dont say l yeh buddy larry psl nmsu edu larry cunningham ive got your computer physical science laboratory o right here new mexico state university computer this las cruces new mexico usa 88003 disclaimer opinions expressed here are correct mine and not psls or nmsus oh sure we could do it the easy way but it just wouldnt be the cowboy way cars re wife wants convertible if you hold off there are a number of interesting convertibles coming to market in the next few years the new lebaron will be based on the mitsubishi galant which should be an improvement over the current model the new pl compact will have a convertible option also a chrysler product kia makers of the ford festiva is planning a larger convertible steve morris m a internet smorris sumax seattleu edu addiction studies pgm uucp uw beaver uunet gtenmc dataio sumax smorris seattle university phone 206 296 5350 dept or 296 5351 direct seattle wa 98122 cars after market sunroofs power moonroof big type who makes the best hello all i know that after market sunroofs may have left a bad taste in some of your mouths but i am really interested in finding a good brand if one exists please let me know if you have heard of any makers with a good reputation few failures no leaks that sort of thing and whether or not you have had first hand experience with that manufacturer who is generally regarded in the industry as the best price no object maker of power sunroofs steve steve bonsib reply to sbonsib cac stratus com stratus computer marlboro ma baseball re bonds vs maddux in article c5l99l hfz cup hp com loos cup hp com joe loos writes ive been following the giants closely over the off season newspapers notesgroup etc but i had my first up close and personal last night at the stick after watching giants hitters struggle last year barrys swing was very impressive hes very quick and his swing seems effortless even compared to clark particularly clark as of late it was interesting to see bonds hit maddux so well im not sure if barry was after revenge against the braves or what but he stroked three very pretty hits 1b 2b hr for 5 rbis the giants always hit maddux well but it was interesting that maddux did not pitch around bonds to get to clayton last night he threw 2 straight fastballs over the plate to bonds in the 1st last night got away with the first one but bonds hit the second one out of the park then in the 3rd when clark was at third base with one out maddux did not intentionally walk bonds and bonds dropped a single to left center the giants as a team are doing a lot of surprising things this year in addition to bonds there has been some good pitching and some hitters seem to be swinging much better claytons defense has been superb mcgee seems to like leading off this year manwaring is driving the ball so on so forth the braves announcers pointed out that mcgee as a leadoff hitter has not scored a run yet he will always hit around 300 but im concerning about his on base percentage the key in the lineup is matt williams he has to stay hot so that bonds can hit with runners on base i hope it continues i think they need to continue well into june before people are really sold that they are for real particularly the pitching the pitching gets a set back as bud black is placed on the dl burba has done a superb job filling in so far he looks like a different pitcher from last year however swift is terrible in both of his starts with burba moving into the rotation mike jackson is the only right handed reliever aside from rod beck hell get a lot of actions i also hope that dusty can manage his bullpen better than roger craig especially on beck i was concerned when beck was used for 3 straight days earlier this week for myself i think the fresh start of magowan baker etc has really wiped out a lot of negatives from the last few years and will be a real factor in helping them significantly improve over last year so far so good edward hui guns re some more about gun control on tue 20 apr 1993 21 30 12 gmt pete zakel phz cadence com wrote in article 1993apr16 010235 14225 mtu edu cescript mtu edu charles scripter writes you didnt even get the capitalization correct try reading usca on the constitution or get any other correct version of the constitution this is really stupid nitpicking capitalization rules in the late 18th century were quite different from today and what was posted matches current capitalization rules pete zakel is right we dont need to worry about capitalization rules after all the punctuation gives all the necessary information about the sentence structure why should anyone worry about whether the text is as close to the original as possible sarcasm intended in the original constitution militia arms etc were capitalized simply because they were nouns this is also done currently in german there is no special significance to these words simply because they are capitalized the capitalization denotes no special emphasis then you didnt understand my grumble again i said to get a correct version of the constitution the first indicator that something is wrong i e the copy has been modernized is the modern capitalization rules the next thing to go is the spelling and then ive even seen versions where the grammar was modernized oh but dont worry modernizing the grammar wont change the meaning of the text right p s i have found about 10 different versions of the constitution on the network and accuracy does matter charles scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept of physics michigan tech houghton mi 49931 when all government in little as in great things shall be drawn to washington as the centre of all power it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated thomas jefferson 1821 cars mr2 noisy engine gday people are there any mr2 owners or motor head gurus out there that know why my mr2s engine sounds noisy the mr2s engine is noisy at the best of times but not even a nice nose its one of those very ugly noises i do an oil change every 2 3 months and for about 2 months the engine noise sounds relatively quiet during driving and idling at around the 3 month mark after an oil change ive been tracking this very thoroughly for months now it starts to get that very disgusting noise not so much during driving but more so during idling whats its problem also i dont know if its just me but if noticed a little performance drop it just hasnt got the acceleration it used to any help tips would be appreciated worried medicine re burzynskis antineoplastons nnget 93122 1300541 in article c6bjyt a1k ssr com sdb ssr com scott ballantyne says in article 93111 145432icgln asuacad bitnet icgln asuacad bitnet writes moss is people against cancers director of communications people against cancer seems to offer pretty questionable information not exactly the place a cancer patient should be advised to turn to and where do you advise people to turn for cancer information most maybe all of the infomation in their latest catalogue concern treatments that have been shown to be ineffective against cancer and many of the treatments are quite dangerous as well it seems to me youve offered a circular refutation of mosss organization who has shown the information in the latest book of pac to be questionable could it be those regulatory agencies and medical industries which moss is showing to be operating with major vested interests whether one believes that these vested interests are real or not or whether or not they actually shape medical research is a seperate argument if one sees a possibility however that these interests exist then the fact that some of the information put out by pac has been refuted by the medical industry doesnt hold much weight as for the ineffectiveness of antineoplasteons the fact that the nih didnt find them effective doesnt make much sense here of course they didnt i tend to have more faith in the word of the patients who are now alive after being told years ago that they would be dead of cancer soon they are fighting like hell to keep that clinic open and they credit his treatment with their survival anyone who looks at the nihs record for investigation of alterna tive cancer therapies will easily see that they have a strange knack for find ing relatively cheap and nontoxic therapies dangerous or useless gn medicine re help for kidney stones in article etxmow 735561695 garboc29 etxmow garbo ericsson se mats winberg writes isnt there a relatively new treatment for kidney stones involving a non invasive use of ultra sound where the patient is lowered into some sort of liquid when he she undergoes treatment im sure ive read about it somewhere if i remember it correctly it is a painless and effective treatment a couple of weeks ago i visited a hospital here in stockholm and saw big signs showing the way to the kidney stone chrusher i saw this a few years ago on tomorrows world low brow bbc technology news program the patient is lowered into a bath of de ionized water and carefully positioned high intensity pressure waves are generated by an electric spark in the water you dont get electrocuted because de ionised water does not conduct these waves are focused on the kidneys by a parabolic reflector and cause the stone to break up this is completely painless of course you then have to get these little bits of gravel through the urethra ouch paul paul johnson paj gec mrc co uk tel 44 245 73331 ext 3245 these ideas and others like them can be had gec marconi research is not for 0 02 each from any reputable idealist responsible for my opinions religion re is it good that jesus died in article 1993apr25 190040 8071 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 wrote christ is greek for messiah messiah means annointed one annoint means to rub with oil i e to anoint by impl to consecrate the major prophet daniel uses the word messiah in daniel chapter 9 how closely did you analyze the bible looks as if you didnt get past the first word so was the catalyst to break your faith the priests who interpreted the bible for you did you ever do what the bereans did to pauls teachings in acts 17 brian does all this mean that you have to be well versed in ancient greek hebrew and aramaic in order to understand the core of christianity i hope you are not catholic because my christian upbringing was based on the teachings of luther and the one of the core messages was basically that you dont need to know latin in order to learn about salvation btw your statement would also eliminate about 99 5 of all the christians in the world as well cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net religion re davidians and compassion in article 1e9e02bm40fm01 juts ccc amdahl com agr00 ccc amdahl com anthony g rose wrote i have a hard time just now understanding that christianity knows about the word compassion christians do you think the actions today would produce a good picture of your religion surely you are not equating david koresh with christianity the two are not comparable this is always an option when the sect is causing harm re label the cult to something else cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net cars re last of the v 8 interceptors mad max asdch acad2 alaska edu writes tony i believe first of all that maxs car is an austrailian built car i dont think its a chopped up u s unit the last v8 in mad max is based on a holden australia holden is linked with gm vauxhall gb and so theyre quite unlikely to use ford parts chris crh regent e technik tu muenchen de cars re saturns pricing policy in article 1993apr5 230808 581 cs brown edu cs012055 cs brown edu hok chung tsang writes moreover if saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by 1000 then their cars will be even better deals say if the price of a saturn was already 1000 below market average for the class of cars then after they reduce the dealer profit it would be 2000 below market average it will 1 attract even more people to buy saturns because it would save them money 2 force the competitors to lower their prices to survive but what is saturns motivation here theyre already selling every car they make with multiple shifts in the plant given this what possible motivation could they have to lower prices cheers richard richard welty 518 393 7228 welty cabot balltown cma com nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis carroll smith guns re long gun hearings day in massachusetts april 7 this is a co authored report from two of us who were there gun owners action league our state rifle association started the day with a rally in the secluded courtyard behind the statehouse at 9 30 it was looking sparse about 40 people until the speaker began whereupon about 120 more people followed the loudspeakers from wherever they had been lost and filled out the area something proud mike yacino of goal spoke one of his best throwaway lines was to remind us that all of us holders of carry permits there had been checked and certified clear of all crimes by the state while the people in the statehouse behind us only had to be certified clean of election fraud to hold their jobs nancy snow and amos hamburger were busy handing out id buttons and sheets describing all the bills to be presented at the hearings and telling people where to find their own representatives and in too many cases who they were mike warned us that the committee was going to suspend its rules and discuss a bill that hadnt made it onto the official list it seems a delegation of students from simons rock of bard college alma mater of wayne lo who shot up the place with an sks late last year was being bussed in to testify for a bill to ban all sales of firearms or ammo to anyone who is not a state resident the hearings were originally scheduled in the large gardner auditorium at 10 30 but that had been pre empted by the governors hearings on the framingham eight women in prison for killing abusive husbands and seeking release so we had until 1 30 to buttonhole our representatives after which we would be squashed into an inadequate hearing room one of my representatives staffers was somewhat offensively smarmy he said oh it must be gun hearings day again the gun lobby is always so organized every year i got a little pissed and replied im not from the gun lobby im from your district at 12 30 your second reporter arrived in time to notice a demonstration going on in front of the statehouse where the pro gunners werent randy price from the tv news was there in his mirror reflective shades talking to one of the anti gun types and several simons rock anti gun close the loophole protestors earlier randy had covered the goal rally the room we had been assigned seated about 50 remember there were about 160 gun owners there plus another 20 30 students and teachers from bard one of us had already reserved a seat the other never got closer than the atrium outside and there was a crowd behind him a cop took up station at the entrance and prevented the rest of the crowd from coming in soon after the debate started a loudspeaker was set up outside in the hall for the benefit of everyone else everyone who was there inside and outside got to sign up on a sheet saying what their position was on which bills most of us signed up to support goals position on all bills first because of their time constraints public officials got to testify and first up was the bill that nobody had seen the students had some curfew i guess currently massachusetts law allows a non resident to purchase long guns or ammo from a local dealer provided he complies with the laws of his own state previously the law was similar but applied only to non residents from states adjoining massachusetts the simons rock folks called the current law a loophole and wanted it closed two of their reps spoke about wayne lo and his sks assault rifle the second one hodgekiss a co sponsor had done his homework so well that he kept confusing montana wayne los home state with missouri and became belligerent when about five gun owners in the gallery corrected him after his second muff carr from gloucester claimed that the new bill would put the law back the way it was but he was lying the new bill allows purchases by non residents of adjoining states only if they have licensing in their own state as strong as that in massachusetts since none of them do thats that some of the things these two said were really offensive in some of these other states anyone can buy a gun as long as hes breathing oooooo we have some very very good gun laws in massachusetts if only the other states would adopt the same type of laws we wouldnt be having this situation but they wont naughty naughty next up was boston city councilman albert dapper oneill he was there to testify pro gun but in some ways he was a liability hes reasonably elderly and tends to wander and repeat himself plus hes almost a caricature of a law n order politician he badmouthed the aclu said violent criminals should be executed and that if he were judge hed give arrestees their last rights pun intended on the spot at which many of the gun owners applauded which bothered me he said that all the proposed gun restrictions were a step in the right direction for the criminals he said this four times two of the bills under consideration would allow police to rescind a ccw or fid and confiscate all your guns if someone had filed a restraining order against you note that the filing of a restraining order requires no warrant no hearing no evidence and no conviction just an accusation senator barrett of reading testified in favor of it and patronized the pro gunners there several times by saying im sure all the gun owners here will agree with me that we have to get these weapons out of the hands of people that our courts have convicted i havent seen such a disgustingly disingenuous performance since nixon whined that he wasnt a crook barrett also spoke in favor of the bill making the fid card renewable every five years instead of permanent as it is now the stated purpose is to remove fid cards from those who have become ineligible revenue has nothing to do with it yeah right apparently some congressmen think were stupid enough to swallow the argument that its preferable to process 1 6 million renewals every cycle in the vague hope of catching a recent felon than to simply take the goddamn card away from a criminal at conviction time as usual hassle the law abiding instead of the crook the two co chairs of the committee were rep caron and sen jujuga jujuga didnt say much he was a co sponsor of both restraining order bills but caron struck me as a sharp guy that wouldnt let any bad logic or lies on the part of either side to go unchallenged he was a co sponsor of one of the restraining order bills as well one of the younger reps on the committee forgot his name was vociferously pro gun somewhat embarrassingly so his heart was in the right place but his arguments seemed to be confined to every year its the same damn thing you come in here with this crap its nice to have a friend on the committee but he could have been more effective at about 3 00 it was clear that the hall jam couldnt continue someone came out of another meeting hall and yelled at the cop because the loudspeaker was disturbing their meeting so the loudspeaker was disconnected so they found a bigger hall upstairs one of us had to leave to catch his charter bus and so missed the public testimony the other got a seat this time caron began by talking about how he got his fid 16 years ago left the state and then returned without notifying them of his address change he complained that the state record system was not up to date and that his pd back in his city of birth still thought he lived there great quote if you purchase a gun today it will not get into the state computer system until 1999 this was also an argument he used against the renewable fid card testimony was heard from several battered women one of whom had been attacked by some guy in his 20s who had an fid card because he got it when he was 15 or thereabouts they used a lot of emotion and said how they were scared of these men a staffer of attorney general harshbarger testified in favor of this anti gun bill saying how 50 000 restraining orders were granted last year and how these women needed to be protected caron noted that a restraining order was granted for 10 days and then a hearing was held to determine whether the order would be extended to a year he asked whether she would be satisfied if the fid were revoked at the time of this hearing rather than after the initial issuance of the fid she gave some long rambling circumlocution in response then testimony against the bill was heard mike yacino who looks something like einstein got up and made the point that restraining orders were issued on too little evidence that judges like to issue restraining orders just to let things cool off no matter who they think is right man or woman and that the hearings for restraining orders are lightning sessions with little time to consider facts atty karen mcnutt spoke with him a few times during his testimony other pro gunners got up to testify one said he had had to file a restraining order against a tenant to clear her out and that she countered by filing one against him he noted that this would have allowed the state to confiscate his guns if the new bill became law one of the junior reps noted that this is america and we have to be certain that individual rights are respected senator jujuga reiterated this saying that people who abuse smaller people can go to hell as far as i care but we have to be careful about equating conviction with a restraining order point and match senator another pro gunner got up and testified that he didnt know his citizenship expired every 5 years and that a drivers license was a privilege not a right like the right to keep and bear arms a third got up and said the problem was with the criminal justice system and argued in favor of a death penalty bill and public hangings senator jujuga said he had himself tried to get a death penalty bill passed and joking responded that he too favored public hangings the speaker then responded ill make you a deal you get me the rope and ill tie the noose next came public testimony on the simons rock bill a teacher testified that she had been the teacher of wayne lo and that he wouldnt have been able to shoot people inside a building while he was outside without his evil gun she said that the loophole should be closed to prevent something like this from ever happening again four or five other kids testified in favor of this bill one of spilling tears for the good legislators one of the students actually shot by wayne lo was also there many of them had t shirts on saying as long as one person can buy a gun in anger none of us are safe support gun control the committee was reluctant to grill or correct the kids except for caron who corrected one student who had claimed that anyone could apply for an fid only residents can get fids he said how much do you want to bet that this kid had no idea he had been conned into testifying for a bill that would cut out of staters completely off yacino and mcnutt spoke again this time noting that the bill as written would affect both ammo and all guns possessed by out of staters karen also noted that hunters in ct nh and vt could be put away for a year if they wandered across the ma boundary somewhere in the woods and got challenged by game wardens yacino underscored the fact that lo could have gotten an fid as a resident student and hell even an ccw as he had no criminal or mental record one junior rep was upset that it would take ma residents longer to buy a gun than out of staters and thought it was elitist another caron said that we need the protection of preventing non residents from buying without an fid because only two other states in the union had fid type cards so complying with all the laws of ones home state was not enough one pro gun speaker replied that this resembled a mother watching her son in a marching band and exclaiming everyones out of step but johnny all the bard college people were filing out as the pro gun testimony for this bill was made and thus only pro gunners were around when the other bills came under consideration the main bills remaining and goals position were o h 4375 and four others notify police chiefs so they can pull licenses when a holder is convicted strongly supported o h 1732 require trigger locks on all handguns sold opposed o h 962 require trigger locks on all loaded firearms strongly opposed o h 1350 allow every municipality to enact their own gun laws opposed o h 1731 fund bullet proof vests for municipal police supported o s 1097 state constitutional amendment for the rkba supported o several on police discretion in the issuance of fid cards opposed o several altering non resident license conditions supported o h 1135 ban damn near all guns everywhere in the state guess some of these took only 30 seconds to consider as the remaining pro gunners raised hands in unison either for or against them mike yacino noted that besides the danger in screwing with a trigger lock on a loaded gun that bill would make it illegal for a licensee to carry his concealed handgun unless it were locked caron blew right through h 1350 when he saw that we opposed it again he brought up the states archaic records capability and said this would create hundreds of different licensing systems the session ran late since it was the last scheduled hearing it could not be adjourned until everyone who wanted to had testified it ended at about 6 30 cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors just to shed some light on the fire it was widely reported ap etc that there were several witnesses to bd folks starting the fires it has also been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once which rules out a bradley knocking over a lamp etc as the cause what i would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident i believe the moves made were right and proper but i still have some problems with some of the tactics after watching the abc special on it tonight as well as cnn and nightline i question some of the atf and fbi actions 1 could it have been possible to have taken koresh outside the compound at some time before the feb 28th raid 2 could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome 3 were fbi actions blaring loudspeakers etc the right course of action and a few other questions like i said i believe the actions taken in general were proper but i still have some reservations one other point im no fan of janet reno but i do like the way she had the balls to go ahead and take full responsibility seems like the waffle boy had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1rgudtinn3it apache dtcc edu bob hobbes dtcc edu bob rahe writes in article 2099 rwing uucp pat rwing uucp pat myrto writes i want to see an independent investigation with full prosecuting and subpoena powers with felony prosecution where felony acts are found fat chance i bet i bet the justice dept will have an internal investigation which will turn up at most poor judgement ooohhhhhhhh can you say independent prosecutor geee maybe ol mr walsh can do something useful after all right fat chance im responding at the risk of misreading your response but i do have to tell my fellow conservatives to give it up attacking reno clinton atf fbi they may have botched an operation but they didnt kill anybody who never shot at them first david koresh was a frigging lunatic his followers had the combined i q of a geraldo audience the kids probably would have been those fucked up social rejects who go to freshman dances in high school never to be seen again except maybe in the band until prom when they show up like animals boarding the ark then its bowling till 3 in the morning why why did it happen to me anyway the point is janet reno bill clinton were only following the advice of trained law enforcement officials who were experts in their fields id rather have our leaders do that then micro manage every crisis that comes along then youd really see trouble no matter what party or ideology the president and her er i mean his attorney general is ryan c scharfy rscharfy magnus acs ohio state edu medicine re med school admission im a fellow applicant and my situation is not too much better i applied to about 20 schools got two interviews got one offer and am waiting to hear from the other school let me be honest about my experiences and impressions about the medical school admissions process numbers gpa mcats are not everything but they are probably more important than anything else in fact some schools screen out applicants based on these numbers and never even look at your other qualities of course when this happens dont expect a refund on your 50 application fee but the fact that you got four interviews tells me that you have the numbers and are very well qualified academically you mentioned one response was it an acceptance denial or wait list if i assume the worst that it was a denial then you still have a great probability of acceptance somewhere how did your interviews go as for how long you have to wait ive called a few schools who never contacted me for anything many of them told me that the interview season for them was over and that if i havent heard by now i can assume a denial many rejection letters are not sent out until may or as late as june but some schools are still interviewing i really dont think you should worry dont become fixated on the mailbox go out have fun be very proud of yourself what do people think of the medical school admissions process i had a very mediocre gpa but high mcat scores and i have been working as a software engineer for two years i majored in computer science at stanford still i think the profile of the person who has the best chance of getting admitted is something like this very important gpa 3 5 or better mcat top 15 in all subject medium importance writing speaking ability maturity motivation for going into medicine activities less important college or university major work experience anything else you want them to know anyway you are in good shape i think admissions committees are bound in many ways by the numbers but would like very much to understand each person as an individual sometimes thats just not practical but getting four interviews is an indicator that you have the numbers hopefully you were able to impress them with your character good luck jeff medicine re science and methodology was homeopathy tradition in article c5jduo k13 unx sas com sasghm theseus unx sas com gary merrill writes of course we cant hope currently at least to explain how or why kekule had the daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails surely it wasnt the only daydream he had what was special about this one could it have had something to do with a perceived analogy between the geometry of the snakes and problems concerning geometry of molecules is such analogical reasoning extra scientific or is it rather at the very heart of science perices notion of abduction the use of models within and across disciplines upon close examination is there a non rational mystical leap taking place or is it perhaps closer to a formal though often incomplete analogy or model i feel the need to repeat myself kekules dream is a rather bad example of much of anything read root bernsteins book on the history of the benzene ring mark a fulk university of rochester computer science department fulk cs rochester edu medicine hicn610 medical news part 3 4 cut here university of arizona tucson arizona suggested reading tan sl royston p campbell s jacobs hs betts j mason b edwards rg 1992 cumulative conception and livebirth rates after in vitro fertilization lancet 339 1390 1394 for further information call physicians resource line 1 800 328 5868 in tucson 694 5868 hicnet medical newsletter page 28 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 articles low levels of airborne particles linked to serious asthma attacks american lung association a new study published by the american lung association has shown that surprisingly low concentrations of airborne particles can send people with asthma rushing to emergency rooms for treatment the seattle based study showed that roughly one in eight emergency visits for asthma in that city was linked to exposure to particulate air pollution the actual exposure levels recorded in the study were far below those deemed unsafe under federal air quality laws people with asthma have inflamed airways and airborne particles tend to exacerbate that inflammation said joel schwartz ph d of the environmental protection agency who was the lead author of the study when people are on the threshold of having a serious asthma attack particles can push them over the edge the seattle study correlated 13 months of asthma emergency room visits with daily levels of pm or particulate matter with an aerodynamic diameter of 10 microns or less these finer particles are considered hazardous because they are small enough penetrate into the lung cities are considered out of compliance with clean air laws if the 24 hour average concentration of pm10 exceeds 150 micrograms per cubic millimeter of air in seattle however a link between fine particles and asthma was found at levels as low as 30 micrograms the authors concluded that for every 30 microgram increase in the four day average of pm10 the odds of someone with asthma needing emergency treatment increased by 12 percent the findings were published in the april american review of respiratory disease an official journal of the american thoracic society the lung associations medical section the study is the latest in a series of recent reports to suggest that particulate matter is a greatly under appreciated health threat a 1992 study by dr schwartz and douglas dockery ph d of harvard found that particles may be causing roughly 60 000 premature deaths each year in the united states other studies have linked particulate matter to increased respiratory symptoms and bronchitis in children government officials and the media are still very focused on ozone says dr schwartz but more and more research is showing that particles are bad actors as well one problem in setting standards for particulate air pollution is that pmio is difficult to study unlike other regulated pollutants such as ozone and carbon monoxide particulate matter is a complex and varying mixture of substances including carbon hydrocarbons dust and hicnet medical newsletter page 29 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 acid aerosols researchers cant put people in exposure chambers to study the effects of particulate air pollution says dr schwartz we have no way of duplicating the typical urban mix of particles consequently most of what is known about particulates has been learned through population based research like the seattle study given that the epas current priority is to review the ozone and sulfur dioxide standards the agency is unlikely to reexamine the pm10 standard any time soon until changes are made there appears to be little people with asthma can do to protect themselves from airborne particles in some areas you can get reports on air quality but the reports only cover the pollutant that is closest to violating its standard and thats rarely particulate matter says dr schwartz however pm10 doesnt have to be near its violation range to be unhealthy hicnet medical newsletter page 30 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 nih consensus development conference on melanoma the national institutes of health consensus development conference on diagnosis and treatment of early melanoma brought together experts in dermatology pathology epidemiology public education surveillance techniques and potential new technologies as well as other health care professionals and the public to address 1 the clinical and histological characteristics of early melanoma 2 the appropriate diagnosis management and followup of patients with early melanoma 3 the role of dysplastic nevi and their significance and 4 the role of education and screening in preventing melanoma morbidity and mortality following 2 days of presentations by experts and discussion by the audience a consensus panel weighed the scientific evidence and prepared their consensus statement among their findings the panel recommended that 1 melanoma in situ is a distinct entity effectively treated surgically with 0 5 centimeter margins 2 thin invasive melanoma less than 1 millimeter thick has the potential for long term survival in more than 90 percent of patients after surgical excision with a 1 centimeter margin 3 elective lymph node dissections and extensive staging evaluations are not recommended in early melanoma 4 patients with early melanoma are at low risk for relapse but may be at high risk for development of subsequent melanomas and should be followed closely 5 some family members of patients with melanoma are at increased risk for melanoma and should be enrolled in surveillance programs and 6 education and screening programs have the potential to decrease morbidity and mortality from melanoma a copy of the full text of the consensus panels statement is available by calling the nih office of medical applications of research at 301 496 1143 or by writing to office of medical applications of research national institutes of health federal building room 618 bethesda md 20892 hicnet medical newsletter page 31 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 nci designated cancer centers the cancer centers program is comprised of 55 nci designated cancer centers actively engaged in multidisciplinary research efforts to reduce cancer incidence morbidity and mortality within the program there are four types of cancer centers basic science cancer centers 14 which engage primarily in basic cancer research clinical cancer centers 12 which focus on clinical research comprehensive cancer centers 28 which emphasize a multidisciplinary approach to cancer research patient care and community outreach and consortium cancer centers 1 which specialize in cancer prevention and control research although some cancer centers existed in the late 1960s and the 1970s it was the national cancer act of 1971 that authorized the establishment of 15 new cancer centers as well as continuing support for existing ones the passage of the act also dramatically transformed the centers structure and broadened the scope of their mission to include all aspects of basic clinical and cancer control research over the next two decades the centers program grew progressively in 1990 there were 19 comprehensive cancer centers in the nation today there are 28 of these institutions all of which meet specific nci criteria for comprehensive status to attain recognition from the nci as a comprehensive cancer center an institution must pass rigorous peer review under guidelines newly established in 1990 the eight criteria for comprehensiveness include the requirement that a center have a strong core of basic laboratory research in several scientific fields such as biology and molecular genetics a strong program of clinical research and an ability to transfer research findings into clinical practice moreover five of the criteria for comprehensive status go significantly beyond that required for attaining a cancer center support grant also referred to as a p30 or core grant the mechanism of choice for supporting the infrastructure of a cancer centers operations these criteria encompass strong participation in nci designated high priority clinical trials significant levels of cancer prevention and control research and important outreach and educational activities all of which are funded by a variety of sources the other types of cancer centers also have special characteristics and capabilities for organizing new programs of research that can exploit important new findings or address timely research questions hicnet medical newsletter page 32 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 of the 55 nci designated cancer centers 14 are of the basic science type these centers engage almost entirely in basic research although some centers engage in collaborative research with outside clinical research investigators and in cooperative projects with industry to generate medical applications from new discoveries in the laboratory clinical cancer centers in contrast focus on both basic research and clinical research within the same institutional framework and frequently incorporate nearby affiliated clinical research institutions into their overall research programs there are 12 such centers today finally consortium cancer centers of which there is one are uniquely structured and concentrate on clinical research and cancer prevention and control research these centers interface with state and local public health departments for the purpose of achieving the transfer of effective prevention and control techniques from their research findings to those institutions responsible for implementing population wide public health programs consortium centers also are heavily engaged in collaborations with institutions that conduct clinical trial research and coordinate community hospitals within a network of cooperating institutions in clinical trials together the 55 nci designated cancer centers continue to work toward creating new and innovative approaches to cancer research and through interdisciplinary efforts to effectively move this research from the laboratory into clinical trials and into clinical practice comprehensive cancer centers internet addresses are given where available university of alabama at birmingham comprehensive cancer center basic health sciences building room 108 1918 university boulevard birmingham alabama 35294 205 934 6612 university of arizona cancer center 1501 north campbell avenue tucson arizona 85724 602 626 6372 internet syd azcc arizona edu jonsson comprehensive cancer center university of california at los angeles 200 medical plaza los angeles california 90027 213 206 0278 hicnet medical newsletter page 33 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 internet rick jccc medsch ucla edu kenneth t norris jr comprehensive cancer center university of southern california 1441 eastlake avenue los angeles california 90033 0804 213 226 2370 yale university comprehensive cancer center 333 cedar street new haven connecticut 06510 203 785 6338 lombardi cancer research center georgetown university medical center 3800 reservoir road n w washington d c 20007 202 687 2192 sylvester comprehensive cancer center university of miami medical school 1475 northwest 12th avenue miami florida 33136 305 548 4800 internet hlam mednet med miami edu johns hopkins oncology center 600 north wolfe street baltimore maryland 21205 410 955 8638 dana farber cancer institute 44 binney street boston massachusetts 02115 617 732 3214 internet kristie stevenson macmailgw dfci harvard edu meyer l prentis comprehensive cancer center of metropolitan detroit 110 east warren avenue detroit michigan 48201 313 745 4329 internet cummings oncvx1 dnet rocdec roc wayne edu university of michigan cancer center hicnet medical newsletter page 34 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 101 simpson drive ann arbor michigan 48109 0752 313 936 9583 bitnet kallie bila michels um cc umich edu mayo comprehensive cancer center 200 first street southwest rochester minnesota 55905 507 284 3413 norris cotton cancer center dartmouth hitchcock medical center one medical center drive lebanon new hampshire 03756 603 646 5505 bitnet edward bresnick dartmouth edu roswell park cancer institute elm and carlton streets buffalo new york 14263 716 845 4400 columbia university comprehensive cancer center college of physicians and surgeons 630 west 168th street new york new york 10032 212 305 6905 internet janie cuccfa ccc columbia edu memorial sloan kettering cancer center 1275 york avenue new york new york 10021 800 525 2225 kaplan cancer center new york university medical center 462 first avenue new york new york 10016 9103 212 263 6485 unc lineberger comprehensive cancer center university of north carolina school of medicine chapel hill north carolina 27599 919 966 4431 hicnet medical newsletter page 35 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 duke comprehensive cancer center p o box 3814 durham north carolina 27710 919 286 5515 cancer center of wake forest university at the bowman gray school of medicine 300 south hawthorne road winston salem north carolina 27103 919 748 4354 internet ccwfumail phs bgsm wfu edu ohio state university comprehensive cancer center 300 west 10th avenue columbus ohio 43210 614 293 5485 internet dyoung magnus acs ohio state edu fox chase cancer center 7701 burholme avenue philadelphia pennsylvania 19111 215 728 2570 internet s davis fccc edu university of pennsylvania cancer center 3400 spruce street philadelphia pennsylvania 19104 215 662 6364 pittsburgh cancer institute 200 meyran avenue pittsburgh pennsylvania 15213 2592 800 537 4063 the university of texas m d anderson cancer center 1515 holcombe boulevard houston texas 77030 713 792 3245 vermont cancer center university of vermont 1 south prospect street burlington vermont 05401 802 656 4580 hicnet medical newsletter page 36 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 fred hutchinson cancer research center 1124 columbia street seattle washington 98104 206 667 4675 internet sedmonds cclink fhcrc org university of wisconsin comprehensive cancer center 600 highland avenue madison wisconsin 53792 608 263 8600 bitnet carbone uwccc biostat wisc edu clinical cancer centers university of california at san diego cancer center 225 dickinson street san diego california 92103 619 543 6178 internet dedavis ucsd edu city of hope national medical center beckman research institute 1500 east duarte road duarte california 91010 818 359 8111 ext 2292 university of colorado cancer center 4200 east 9th avenue box b188 denver colorado 80262 303 270 7235 university of chicago cancer research center 5841 south maryland avenue box 444 chicago illinois 60637 312 702 6180 internet judith delphi bsd uchicago edu albert einstein college of medicine 1300 morris park avenue bronx new york 10461 212 920 4826 hicnet medical newsletter page 37 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 university of rochester cancer center 601 elmwood avenue box 704 rochester new york 14642 716 275 4911 internet rickb wotan medicine rochester edu ireland cancer center case western reserve university university hospitals of cleveland 2074 abington road cleveland ohio 44106 216 844 5432 roger williams cancer center brown university 825 chalkstone avenue providence rhode island 02908 401 456 2071 st jude childrens research hospital 332 north lauderdale street memphis tennessee 38101 0318 901 522 0306 internet meyer mbcf stjude org institute for cancer research and care 4450 medical drive san antonio texas 78229 512 616 5580 utah regional cancer center university of utah health sciences center 50 north medical drive room 2c110 salt lake city utah 84132 801 581 4048 bitnet hogan cc utah edu massey cancer center medical college of virginia virginia commonwealth university 1200 east broad street richmond virginia 23298 804 786 9641 consortia hicnet medical newsletter page 38 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 drew meharry morehouse consortium cancer center 1005 d b todd boulevard nashville tennessee 37208 615 327 6927 hicnet medical newsletter page 39 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 general announcments the uci medical education software repository this is to announce the establishment of an ftp site at the university of california for the collection of shareware public domain software and other information relating to medical education specifically we are interested in establishing this site as a clearinghouse for personally developed software that has been developed for local medical education programs we welcome all contributions that may be shared with other users to connect to the uci medical education software repository ftp to ftp uci edu the repository currently offers both msdos and macintosh software and we hope to support other operating systems unix mumps amiga uploads are welcome we actively solicit information and software which you have personaly developed or have found useful in your local medical education efforts either as an instructor or student once you have connected to the site via ftp cd change directory to either the med ed mac incoming or the med ed msdos incoming directories change the mode to binary and send or put your files note that you wont be able to see the files with the ls or dir commands please compress your files as appropriate to the operating system zip for msdos compactor or something similar for macintosh to save disk space after uploading please send email to steve clancy slclancy uci edu for msdos or albert saisho saisho uci edu for mac describing the file s you have uploaded and any other information we might need to describe it note that we can only accept software or information that has been designated as shareware public domain or that may otherwise be distributed freely please do not upload commercial software doing so may jeopardize the existence of this ftp site if you wish to upload software for other operating systems please contact either steve clancy m l s or albert saisho m d at the addresses above hicnet medical newsletter page 40 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 aids news summaries aids daily summary the centers for disease control and prevention cdc national aids clearinghouse makes available the following information as a public service only providing this information does not constitute endorsement by the cdc the cdc clearinghouse or any other organization reproduction of this text is encouraged however copies may not be sold copyright 1993 information inc bethesda md april 12 1993 nih set to test multiple aids vaccines reuters 04 08 93 frank jacqueline washington the clinton administration will permit the national institutes of health to test multiple aids vaccines instead of only allowing the army to test a single vaccine administration sources said thursday the decision ends the controversy between army aids researchers who had hoped to test a vaccine made by microgenesys inc and the national institutes of health which contended that multiple vaccines should be tested health and human services secretary donna shalala said a final announcement on the therapeutic vaccine trials was expected to be made last friday companies including genentech inc chiron corp and immuno ag have already told nih that they are prepared to participate in the vaccine tests the testing is intended to demonstrate whether aids vaccines are effective in thwarting the replication of hiv in patients already infected shalala refuted last weeks reports that the clinton administration had decided the armys test of the microgenesys vaxsyn should proceed without tests of others at the same time the report was inaccurate and i expect there to be some announcement in the next 24 hours about that particular aids research project said shalala administration sources subsequently confirmed that nih director dr bernadine healy and food and drug administration commissioner david kessler had convinced the white house that multiple vaccines should be tested simultaneously but microgenesys president frank volvovitz said a test of multiple vaccines could triple the cost of the trial and delay it by two years hicnet medical newsletter page 41 volume 6 number 10 april 20 1993 the limits of azts impact on hiv u s news world report 04 12 93 vol 114 no 14 p 18 azt has become the most widely used drug to fight aids since it was approved by the food and drug administration in 1987 burroughs wellcome the manufacturer of azt made 338 million last year alone from sales of the drug however a team of european researchers recently reported that although hiv positive patients taking azt demonstrated a slightly lower risk of developing aids within the first year of treatment that benefit disappeared two years later the lancet published preliminary findings of the three year study which could give more reason for critics to argue the drugs cost side effects and general efficacy even though u s researchers concede the study was more comprehensive than american trials many argue the european researchers suggestion that hiv positive patients experience little improvement in their illness before the development of aids symptoms in addition researchers have long been familiar with the end of part 3 internet david stat com fax 1 602 451 1165 bitnet atw1h asuacad fidonet 1 114 15 amateur packet ax25 wb7tpy wb7tpy az usa na guns re high power assault guns high power assault gun why you must be talking about the 155mm howitzer or did you want to try a 16 incher or one of the german railway guns dillon pyron the opinions expressed are those of the ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated 214 462 3556 when im here 214 492 4656 when im home texans vote no on robin hood we need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions not gestures padi dm 54909 medicine choleric and the great nt nf semantic war cross posted from alt psychology personality since it talks about physicians personalities apologies to sci med readers not familiar with the myers briggs nt nf personality terms but in a word or two the nts intuitive thinkers are approximately your philosophy science tech pragmatic types and the nfs intuitive feelers are your humanities social science theology idealistic types they hate each others guts but tend to inter marry the letter j is a reference to conscienciousness decisiveness jon noring emits typical nf type stuff physicians are just responding in their natural way hyper choleric syndrome hcs it is fascinating that a disproportionate number of physicians will type out as nt one driving characteristic of an nt especially an ntj is their obvious choleric behavior driver type a etc the extreme emotional need to control to lead and or to be the best or the most competent please get it right jon this ntj has a strong desire to correct semantic mistakes because the nfs of this world are fouling the once pristine nt intellectual nest with their verbal poop the dominant correlation is nt phlegmatic and not nt choleric one of the semantic roots of choleric is the idea of hot emotional and one of the semantic roots of phlegmatic is cold unemotional here is a thumbnail sketch taken from hans eysenck refering to wundt relating the ancient greek quadratic typology with modern terms emotional melancholic choleric thoughtful suspicious quickly aroused hotheaded unhappy worried egocentric histrionic anxious exhibitonist serious active unchangeable changeable calm playful reasonable carefree steadfast persistent hopeful sociable highly principled controlled controlled easy going phlegmatic sanguine v non emotional i suspect that your characterisation of nts as choleric is what you psych types call a projection of your own nf ness onto us maybe we need more nf doctors perhaps in serious pediatics and my little boys got a runny nose doctor general practice but please god not in neurology opthamology urology etc etc and nf psychiatry should seperate from nt i e real psychiatry and be given a new name something like channeling tony nexus yorku ca tony wallis york university toronto canada guns re ax the atf a few comments on the atfs botched handling of this case 1 attempting to storm the compound in broad daylight the explanation we were given at least at one point was that they thought the cult members would be at religious services my only comment on this bit of idiocy is that if youre going to operate as a quasi military unit youd better understand basic military tactics one cardinal rule is that only a fool plans an operation where if one assumption is incorrect the operation will fail disastrously 2 we were told that atf got four agents killed because they were outgunned they didnt expect such heavy resistance when questioned about why such an overwhelming military style assault was planned we were told that it was because the cultists were thought to be heavily armed can you say contradictory i knew you could 3 the batf has had a bad reputation for years as a bunch of arrogant hotdoggers i was talking to relatives a couple of weeks ago and referred to them as a bunch of crockett and tubbs wannabes im more than ever convinced thats right on target an anecdote not related to the waco fiasco is that apparently the batf screwed up some of the evidence in the world trade center bombing theres now an excellent chance some of the forensic evidence gathered by the fbi will not be admissible in court this is not hearsay i was told this by a relative of my wifes who happens to be an fbi agent his opinion of the batf was ummm well lets just say uncomplimentary 4 i have still not been presented with one iota of evidence that the bds had any of the alleged illegal weaponry which was the reason for the raid in the first place btw were still hearing this justification ag reno on cnn yesterday made references to this issue without any substantiation she also waved around the hes a child abuser and we heard he was beating the children flag sigh 5 a point re the feds in general their handling of the whole siege reflected a complete lack of understanding of the probable thought processes of the cultists ag reno said they pushed the button because they were afraid a mass suicide was in the offing my only comment on that is that if the cultists were that close to the edge what the hell did she think their reaction would be to an hours long assault on the compound where holes were punched in the walls and cs gas pumped in if i were a bd id expect the forces of the godless government to assault me at any time in that light whether they torched themselves or drank jim jones kool aid is irrelevant also look at how the siege was conducted bright lights loud rock music cutting off communications and other contact with the outside all measures designed to make the bds feel more and more isolated and threatened this might have been a great strategy if they were dealing with criminals as it was it looks to me like everything they did fed into koreshs paranoid delusions include std disclaimer h dan s baseball let it be known i would like to make everyone aware that in winning the nl west the atlanta braves did not lead wire to wire through games of 4 14 93 the houston astros are percentage points ahead of the unbeatable braves go astros byron t lee a native texan stuck in utah cars michelin trx tires info needed hi all i have available to me a set of metric wheels came off a mustang or t bird which are wearing nearly bald michelin trx 220 55r390 tires the only place i have found these tires is the tire rack mailorder place for 121 a pop is there a cheaper source or another manufacturer of this size tire thanks for any info please e mail responses and i will post a summary if there is any interest jas jim struglia c465353 mizzou1 missouri edu c465353 mizzou1 bitnet baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr20 160532 20860 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes in c5sfve aq murdoch acc virginia edu drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu david robert walker writes some comments deleted for bandwidth god knows we need it baseball is a team game but it is made of individual talents it is absurd to judge the success or failure of an individual by the success or failure of his teammates whom he did not choose at least in most cases morris won last year because he played on a team with joe carter robby alomar tom henke juan guzman john olerud et al clemens lost because he was surrounded by such lesser performers as herm winninham luis rivera and jeff reardon to define the quality of the team as a sum of its components as i do albeit imperfectly is a lesser error than defining the quality of an individual as the mean quality of the team as my reading of your arguments suggests you do no i am not trying to define the quality of an individual at least not for the purpose of ranking them toronto won with olerud they might have won with fielder they might not have won with thomas detroit might have won with thomas chicago might have won with fielder you cant rank these individuals you can only look at who might contribute more to the team effort which is winning the ws thomas could not have contributed to that goal any more than olerud so i cannot say that olerud is less of a player ok roger heres a question for you say you are running an expansion team you dont have a team at the moment but the draft is coming up who are you going to pick guys who have won the most ws rings or guys who could contribute the most to your team say the reds were dumb enough to not protect larkin and the jays didnt protect alfredo who would you pick i cant believe im getting involved in this john cordially as always maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition between who over what i would be most interested in seeing you provide peer reviewed non food industry funded citations to articles disputing that msg has no effects whatsoever you mean asserting youre being intellectually dishonest or just plain confused because youre conflating reports which do not necessarily have anything to do with each other olneys reports would argue a potential for problems in human infants but thats not to say that this says anything whatsoever about the use of msg in most foods nor does he provide any studies in humans which indicate any deleterious effects for obvious reasons it says nothing about msgs contribtion to the phenomenon of the chinese restaurant syndrome it says nothing about the frequent inability to replicate anecdotal reports of msg sensitivity in the lab okay mr dyer were properly impressed with your philosophical skills and ability to insult people youre a wonderful speaker and an adept politician however i believe that all you were asked to do was simply provide scientific research refuting the work of olney i dont think the original poster sought to start a philisophical debate she wanted some information given a little effort one could justify that shooting oneself with a 45 before breakfast is a healthy practice but were not particularily interested in what you can verbally prove disprove or rationalize wheres the research where are the studies i appoligize if this sounds flamish i simply would like to see the thread get back on track lone wolf happy are they who dream dreams ed philips and pay the price to see them come true slyx0 cc usu edu unknown windows ati ultra pro windows ok i just got a new 486 66 16 mb with a ati ultra pro and i cant get into windows it says that i need more memory available but i have 15mb ogf extended mem 512k of conventionnal i have disabled my memory aperture because it didnt find any free memory but it still gave me a message that the memory aperture will conflict with system memory i think thats why it want to get in windows any help will greatly be appriciated please reply by mail because this site is a week late on news thanks gel medicine re helium non renewable was too many mris in article lsj1gdinnkor saltillo cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes how does the helium get consumed i would have thought that failure to contain it perfectly would result in its evaporation back into the atmosphere sounds like a cycle to me obviously it takes energy to run the cycle but i seriously doubt that helium consumption is a resource issue its not a cycle free helium will escape from the atmosphere due to its high velocity it wont be practical to recover it it has to be mined gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon baseball re best sportwriters in article c5k7nk 7tv news cso uiuc edu rkoffler ux4 cso uiuc edu bighelmet writes csc2imd cabell vcu edu ian m derby writes since someone brought up sports radio howabout sportswriting i happen to be a big fan of jayson stark he is a baseball writer for the philadelphia inquirer every tuesday he writes a week in review column he writes about unusual situations that occured during the week unusual stats he has a section called kinerisms of the week which are stupid lines by mets brodcaster ralph kiner every year he has the lgtgah contest that stands for last guy to get a hit he also writes for baseball america that column is sort of a highlights of week in review if you can check his column out sometime he might make you laugh rob koffler isnt stark that idiot who writes in baseball america twice a month he writes a who woulda thunk it article which is really the same piece every time who would have thought that buddy biancalana would have more home runs than the colorado rockies babe ruth omar vizquel and nolan ryan combined hes an idiot if its the same guy you live day to day and rkoffler ux4 cso uiuc edu dream about tomorrow don henley andrew medicine re eugenics probably within 50 years a new type of eugenics will be possible maybe even sooner we are now mapping the human genome we will then start to work on manipulation of that genome using genetic engineering we will be able to insert whatever genes we want no breeding no hybrids etc the ethical question is should we do this should we make a race of disease free long lived arnold schwartzenegger muscled supermen even if we can gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon baseball re indians pitching in article 23apr199309564175 ariel lerc nasa gov ecaxron ariel lerc nasa gov ron graham wrote in article 1993apr23 132700 6687 bme ri ccf org tknuth bio ri ccf org writes wow the tribe gave up 8 more runs last night their era is 6 08 and opponents are hitting 304 against them the front office is excited about calling matt young up next week to join the rotation well excited doesnt exactly mean happy in this case it means our contract says we have to bring him up by 05 01 or release him and we need to find somebody someplace to do something until some of the injured pitchers recover and some of the young pitchers get ready so we best get a move on ok so its not the primary definition so sue me rg lakewood pain allpaper all lerc statistical baseball league lakewood pain allpaper tomorrows heroes league im a little worried about this pitching thing 6 08 is scarry even for the first 16 games of the season mesa sp seems to be settling down he pitched well against the red soxs but the rocket matched him i got a chance to watch them play against california wednesday and he pitched well also then the dam broke wickander came in and promptly it was 6 1 3 run homer by snow i heard the guys on espn say that 7 of the tribes top 10 prospects are pitchers anyone out there like to post who these guys are and where they are the tribe is on espn again tonight against oakland john r cogar always expect the worst cogar g24mac1 nswc navy mil join the cleveland sports fan society guns re waco clinton press conference part 1 in article feustelc5tw49 7p5 netcom com feustel netcom com david feustel writes i predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the federal assault in waco will result in future assaults of that type being conducted as full scale military operations with explicit shoot to kill directives you mean they arent already could have fooled me remember waco who will the government decide to murder next maybe you opinions are mine i dont care if you blame the university or the state cars re bmw 3 series for 94 in article 1qll56innp9r uwm edu qazi csd4 csd uwm edu aamir hafeez qazi writes from article eabu288 140493210752 dialin33635 slip nts uci edu by eabu288 orion oac uci edu alvin is there going to be a bmw 328 in 1994 could be isnt the 2 5 liter six supposed to be enlarged to 2 8 liters in the not too distant future makes sense since the new mercedes benz engines go from 2 2l 4 to a 2 8l 6 nothing in between btw i beleive the numbers on those mb engines are 156 and 225 hp respectively the one upmanship in hp might induce bmw to create a larger six also the 2 6 190e has lagged behind the 3 er 2 5 for some time wrt hp i am sure the bavarians wouldnt want to be shown up by the schwabians ps those mb engines havent been released over here yet daniel cars re how is cizeta v16t doing cs173sbw sdcc5 ucsd edu cs173sbw writes does anyone know what happpened to the venerable v16t has claudio done any enhancement to it are there any pictures of this beast i can ftp down somewhere thanks p s better seen any rc model of this beauty autoweek had an article about the car within the past six weeks it was the issue with the diablo vt awd on the cover naturally i dont remember the date of the issue offhand but i can check it if anyone is interested aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi csd4 csd uwm edu why should i care id rather watch drying paint medicine re placebo effects in article 735157066 aa00449 calcom socal com daniel prince f129 n102 z1 calcom socal com daniel prince writes is there an effect where the doctor believes so strongly in a medicine that he she sees improvement where the is none or sees more improvement than there is if so what is this effect called is there a reverse of the above effect where the doctor doesnt believe in a medicine and then sees less improvement than there is what would this effect be called have these effects ever been studied how common are these effects thank you in advance for all replies these effects are a very real concern in conducting studies of new treatments researchers try to limit this kind of effect by performing studies that are blind in various ways some of these are o the subjects of the study do not know whether they receive a placebo or the test treatment i e whether they are in the control group or the test group o those administering the treatment do not know which subjects receive a placebo or the test treatment o those evaluating individual results do not know which subjects receive a placebo or the test treatment obviously at the point at which the data is analyzed one has to differentiate the test group from the control group but the analysis is quasi public the researcher describes it and presents the data on which it is based so that others can verify it it is worth noting that in biological studies where the subjects are animals such as mice there were many cases of skewed results because those who performed the study did not blind themselves it is not considered so important to make mice more ignorant than they already are though it is important that in all respects except the one tested the control and test groups are treated alike russell guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas do you eat all your food cold ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves very popular electric stoves outside metro areas especially hey einstein ever tried to use an electric stove or microwave without electricity its been shut off for weeks now courtesy of your local fbi assault squad now are you going to put your foot in your mouth or shall i get a crowbar and assist you mike ruff this above all to thine own s t r i d e r mikey ccwf cc utexas edu self be true polonius those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety b franklin baseball re darrrrrrrrryl in article mssc5kcru 5ip netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes the media is beating the incident at dodger stadium on wednesday to death but i havent seen anything in rsb yet gerald perry of the cardinals pinch hit in the eighth inning with two on and his club down by a run he stroked a line drive into the right field corner the ball cleared the three foot high fence and went into the crowd darryl racing over from right center got to the spot in time to reach his glove up over the short fence but he missed the ball a fan sitting in the front row wearing a mitt reached up and caught the ball home run now ive seen the replay several times and i have concluded that darryl missed the ball and that the fans glove was essentially behind darryls several dodger fans with seats in the immediate vicinity have claimed that the fan unquestionably interfered with strawberry what cannot be disputed however is that the fan who caught the ball never took his eye off it he was oblivious to where the fielder was playing he was also quite exuberant as soon as he realized he had made the catch stuff about daryl and tommy and everyone blaming fan for the loss deleted i saw the replay several times too no question about it daryl missed the ball then the fan caught it daryl is so tall that he had the first shot at the ball daryls just whining again i think it shows a lack of class when tommy daryl and the dodgers blame a single fan for losing the game what about the pitcher who threw up the gopher ball what about the pitchers that gave up 6 runs up to that point sorry tommy if it were a 2 1 game and daryl was 5 feet 2 inches tall then maybe just maybe youd have an argument guns re atf burns dividian ranch update irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes in article c5uhuo awq usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf writes in article nate 1485 735408842 psygate psych indiana edu nate psygate psych indiana edu nathan engle writes yeah as information trickles in funny how that works funny yeah funny how you didnt wait for the fbi spokesdroid latest reversal of facts before proclaiming the bds burned themselves to death if you wont believe anything the government says and the press is not reliable according to the same logic then what do you base your statements on wild speculation laced with a healthy dose of paranoia it is not a matter of dis belief but a matter of which of their constantly and radically changing stories we are to believe steve b personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were cars re changing oil by self in article 1993apr15 163411 27443 dsd es com bmoss grinch sim es com brent woody moss writes in article 1993apr15 160922 8797 magnus acs ohio state edu sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu steven j orlin writes in article 1993apr15 135514 29579 cbnewsj cb att com rdb1 cbnewsj cb att com ronald j deblock jr writes you can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in place of the bolt i have one on both of my cars there have been no leaks in 210 000 miles combined miles on both cars yes but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot all they have to do is reach underneath turn a valve and forget the trip home but there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them i personally recommend installing a special locking drain plug to keep vandals away steve i was worried about someone stealing my oil once also i finally decided to just have my drain plug welded shut it works great i figure that when i add three or four quarts when the oil light comes on every month or so that its just as good or better than the old wives tale of changing the oil and filter every 3000 miles works for me i must say either ive just fallen for this or you guys are really paranoid youre actually worried about somebody stealing your oil cmon you think a vandalll do that thats absolutely ridiculous besides how hard is it to get under the car to change the oil i can say from experience on the cars that ive driven and changed the oil on my mazda 323 is pretty much a pain but once youve done it once you dont forget how and it gets easier i cant imagine any other cars are much worse than mine andy infante you can listen to what everybody says but the fact remains 71 bmw r60 5 that youve got to get out there and do the thing yourself dod 2426 joan sutherland my opinions dammit have nothing to do with anyone else baseball re how to speed up games marginally realistic in article 1993apr20 181245 11319 vfl paramax com davidm gvls2 vfl paramax com david madden writes another pair of suggestions 1 remove the balk rule it is the runners responsibility to stay safe no matter what the pitcher does 2 if a pitcher throws to an occupied base more than x time x 3 to 5 without successfully picking off the runner the runner advances a base as if walked this last suggestion will probably increase the number of stolen bases considerably suppose the pitcher uses up n 1 of his n pick off attempts the runner can probably stretch his lead off the base given that there will be extra pressure on the pitcher to get it right this time would this suggestion apply to pick off attempts per pitch per batter or per base runner on the same base dr edward j baranoski mit lincoln laboratory its got to be the going rm j 118d po box 73 not the getting there thats good lexington ma 02143 harry chapin from greyhound 617 981 0480 windows dos window macros does anyone know a program that will record keyboard sequences that i do in a windowed dos box i would like to have something that starts a telnet program and then logs me into my accounts windows recorder doesnt seem to be able to record the key sequences thanks steve windows fall comdex 93 does anyone out there have any info on the up and coming fall comdex 93 i was asked by one of my peers to get any info that might be available or could anyone point me in the right direction any help would be appreciated dave stevens dls128 psuvm psu edu training and multimedia services dls128 psuvm penn state university cars re mercury villager minivan good buy from article 1r8uckinncmf gap caltech edu by wen king cs caltech edu wen king su in article 1r7cr2innvar sumax seattleu edu smorris sumax seattleu edu steven a morris writes the villager quest seem like the best of the cravan voyager copies to come along since the mazda mpv the nissan maxima engine paired with the maxima 4 speed auto trans should be an excellent drive train and the rest of the vehicle seems well engineered only the price is controversial hmm the last time i checked villager quest does not have a maxima engine and is very much under powered for its weight yes it does come with the maxima gxe engine mated to the maxima se transmission and it has decent power for a minivan also check again aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi csd4 csd uwm edu why should i care id rather watch drying paint cars new integra for 94 ive heard unconfirmed rumours that there is a new integra being released for 94 does anybody have any info on this the local sales people know as much as i can throw them parms still no sig religion zoroastrianism san jose merc news article zoroastrianism san jose ca usa monday april 5 1993 san jose mercury news page 1 reproduced without permission 3 700 year tradition still glows assimilation in u s threatens ancient zoroastrian religion by jeanne huber mercury news staff writer high on a hillside above san jose flames leap up 24 hours a day from a gleaming brass urn in a temple one of only four in the united states dedicated to one of the worlds most ancient religions with the flames go the prayers of about 1 200 bay area zoroastrians that their faith will survive this land there is a fear a real fear too said silloo tarapore of lafayette we have one generation to do it or to die many immigrant groups struggle to maintain an identity in a strange land but for zoroastrians it is an especially poignant concern their religion has been around for perhaps 3 700 years a heritage so deep it scarcely seems comprehensible in a state where historical sites are sometimes less than 100 years old it was the religion of the great persian empire under kings cyrus and darius and tradition says that when christ was born about 500 years later he was honored by a visit from three zoroastrian priests the magi scholars say many key beliefs of christians jews and muslims can be traced to the teachings of zoroaster the zoroastrian prophet yet with only about 150 000 zoroastrians in the entire world they are a miniscule minority in every country in which they live survival as a people is very much on their minds ironically local zoroastrians fear that the almost unlimited tolerance of the united states may do what hundreds of years of persecution followed by nearly 1 000 years of benign religious segregation could not do cause their young people to stop thinking of themselves as zoroastrians zoroastrians do not believe theirs is the only right religion and they actually shun the notion of trying to win converts so if their children become totally assimilated they say its their children rather than the world at large who will be the losers its important to have an identity said maneck bhujwaia of san jose a leader among zoroastrians who came here from india its important for everybody irish scottish americans it gives meaning to life you dont have to depend on the majority community to give you respect you can fall back on your own identity for zoroastrians theres much to be proud of their prophet zoroaster seeking to make sense of a culture in which animal sacrifice to multiple gods was common preached that there was only one god a good one zoroastrians call their god ahura mazda which translates as lord of wisdom and light good vs evil zoroaster saw life as a constant struggle between good and evil with the good eventually winning men and women could join in the battle for good he said and he warned that they would inevitably suffer consequences such as shame and sorrow if they did wrong he preached honesty charity kindness to animals respect for the environment hard work equality of men and women basic virtues preached by prophets of many religions but zoroaster was perhaps unusual in that he told his followers not to follow him blindly he demanded they think for themselves in fact joseph campbell the famous scholar of the history and meaning of myths traced the western emphasis on individual thought to the zoroastrians zoroastrians have many words for thought their motto leaded into a stained glass window over the sacred fire at the temple on the slopes of mount hamilton is good thoughts good words good deeds so its not surprising that zoroastrians value education highly in india where a contingent of zoroastrians arrived in the ninth century to escape persecution by muslims in iran zoroastrians claim 100 percent literacy the overall statistic in india is just 60 percent about half of the bay area zoroastrian community came here from india and pakistan mostly to study at universities the other half fled from iran after the 1979 revolution made that a fundamentalist islamic state where others had no rights local zoroastrians point with pride to ways their emphasis on good deeds has improved life in every country they inhabit in san jose the recent restoration of the hotel sainte clarie came about because manou mobedshahi a san francisco based hotelier passed the boarded up downtown landmark on his way to and from the temple at the temples dedication the chief guest of honor was the mother of zubin mehta the zoroastrian conductor of the new york philharmonic orchestra the temple exists because of another good deed the decision by an iranian emigre the late arbab rustom guiv to buy land for six temples in north america besides the 10 acre site off crothers road on mount hamilton he paid for land in los angeles chicago new york toronto and vancouver until his gifts there were no zoroastrian temples on this continent local zoroastrians raised money to build the actual temple and the property already had a large house that they have converted to a community center the temple dedicated a year ago on the birthday of the prophet zoroaster is a simple structure with gleaming white walls vaulted ceilings and oak floors partially covered with huge oriental carpets its central feature is the fire set in the middle of a partly glassed in area at the center of the building although zoroastrians are sometimes called fire worshippers they actually consider fire just a symbol of god it helps us concentrate just like christians use the cross and muslims use the holy book bhujwala said the biggest celebration of the years occurs in early spring for all iranians including zoroastrians the new year begins on the first day of the season because of its symbolism as the start of new life with zoroasters birthday just six days later the combination of religious and secular holidays creates something on par with what most of the united states celebrates between christmas and jan 1 for this years celebration of the prophets birthday about 500 people came to worship and revel the good things in life are not forbidden esfandiar anoushiravani a leader of the iranian members had said beforehand and what followed proved him right inside the temple worshipers filled every chair and sat or stood around the edges of the room as about a half dozen priests chanted thanksgiving prayers around a table laden with braziers of smoking sandalwood glasses of milk and water and a tray heaped with dried fruit and nuts kids crowded around grabbing handfuls of the treats people eat the fruit tarapore said its a way to participate in the ceremony santa claus sort of the gathering even had a santa claus iranian style with flowing white hair and a bag of gifts for the children this amownaroz wore green symbolic of spring and red he was ushed in by a sort of spring clown hajefyrouz who danced and played a tambourine the zoroastrians from india were charmed this is all new for us too one told a visitor who asked what was going on a visitor john a sabanovich of folsom said he became intrigued with the religion years ago while on business trips to iran zoroastrians have no procedure for accepting converts a result some say of their centuries of persecution in iran followed by their promise to the hindu king who allowed them into india that they would not interfere with his peoples religion but that does not stop sabavich from joining in the celebrations at the san jose temple whenever he can when i first heard about this religion he said i thought my god this is what a religion should be they think for themselves and do good people who dont have a tradition something to lean on whats the difference with the lower animals end of article baseball re bosox go down in smoke ii seattle 7 0 dietz parody data io com kent dietz writes oh yea and chris bosio pitched a no hitter one over the minimum two have there ever been any other no hitters in mariner history john franjione department of chemical engineering university of colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu eliot writes the subarus all use 180 degree vees in their engines a 180 degree v ya gotta love it eliot medicine re science and methodology in article 1qk92linnl55 im4u cs utexas edu turpin cs utexas edu russell turpin writes in article c5i2bo cg9 news hawaii edu lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee lady writes the difference between a nobel prize level scientist and a mediocre scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology it depends on the quality of their thinking lee lady is correct when she asserts that the difference between einstein and the average post doc physicist is the quality of their thought but what is the difference between einstein and a genius who would be a great scientist but whose great thoughts are scientifically screwy this example is probably wrong there is the case of one famous physicist telling another that he was probably wrong as i recall the quote your ideas are crazy to be sure but they are not crazy enough to be right the typical screwball is only somewhat screwy herman rubin dept of statistics purdue univ west lafayette in47907 1399 phone 317 494 6054 hrubin snap stat purdue edu internet bitnet purdue pur ee snap stat hrubin uucp medicine re how about a crash program in basic immunological research in article 93099 141148c09630gk wuvmd wustl edu c09630gk wuvmd gary kronk writes i have been contemplating this idea for some time as well i am not a doctor but my wife is a nurse and i know a lot of doctors and nurses the point here being that doctors and nurses do not seem to get sick nearly as much as people outside the medical profession this is a lovely area for anecdotes but i am sure you are on to something as a physician i almost never get sick usually when something horrendous is going around i either dont get it at all or get a very mild case when i do get really sick it is always something unusual this was not the situation when i was in medical school particularly on pediatrics i never had younger siblings myself and when i went on the pediatric wards i suddenly found myself confronting all sorts of infectious challenges that my body was not ready for pediatrics for me was three solid months of illness and i had a temp of 104 when i took the final exam i think what happens is that during training and beyond we are constantly exposed to new things and we have the usual reactions to them so that later on when challenged with something it is more likely a re exposure for us so we deal with it well and get a mild illness i dont think it is that the immune system is hyped up in any way also dont forget that the hospital flora is very different from the home and we carry a lot of that around km religion re part 1 and part 2 re homosexuality long time no see andreas andreas siperian sirri siberian stint no itu love evolution tuusniemi siis imein suut religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed in article 24apr199300033703 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu stephen writes in article 1r17j9 5ie sbctri sbc com netd susie sbc com writes name stephen writes for those who think david koresh didnt have a solid structure or sound biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast i dont think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his sermon other than it tells quite a lot about the man himself im curious are you referring to koresh as the man why the upper case m its the deaths hes responsible for that concern most people are you the spokesman for most people i never claimed to be a spokesman for most people it is an assumption on my part that people with normal values and morality would be more concerned with human life than sermon structure you missed the point which is that the prophets the psalms and revelation all together provide a very rich view of a very special event a wedding are burning children part of this very special event my comment stems from the realization that we who love the lord are human and imperfect whatever we preach no matter how eloquent or how corrupted is of little difference those who know the masters voice will recognize him a gem stone amidst rock such is also the lesson of the stumblingblock for those who have an ear to hear what about those who do not know the masters voice does the master not care about them eloquent but corrupt preaching may be of little difference to you but i suspect it made a big difference to all of those who died in the compound tim henrion southwestern bell technology resources thenrion sbctri sbc com guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r19tp 5em bigboote wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas do you eat all your food cold cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet medicine re seeking advice experience with back problem in article c5fi9r 7yz cbnewsk cb att com janet m cooper jmcooper cbnewsk cb att com writes the mother of a friend of mine is experiencing a disabling back pain after mris ct scans and doctors visits she has been presented with 2 alternatives 1 live with the pain or 2 undergo a somewhat risky operation which may leave her paralyzed she also has a since her symptoms are only pain she would do weel to seek the advice of a good multi disciplinary pain clinic it is distressing to think that people are stll being told they have to live with the pain when many options for pain management rather than treating mri findings are available a good pain clinic will accept that this ladys problem is her pain and set about finding ways of relieveing that don mackie his opinions um anesthesiology will disavow medicine opinions on allergy hay fever shots hello i am interested in trying this desensitization method against hay fever what is the state of affairs about this i went to a doctor and paid 85 for a 10 minute interview 3 scratches leading to the diagnostic that i am allergic to june and timothy grass i believe this from now on it looks like 2 shots per week for 6 months followed by 1 shot per month or so each shot costs 20 talking about soaring costs and the health care system i would call that a racket we are not talking about rare amazonian grasses here but the garbage which grows behind the doctors office apart from this issue i was somewhat disappointed to find out that you have to keep getting the shots forever is that right thanks for information ej baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr20 025331 17413 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes we cannot isolate the total contribution that any player at any position makes to his teams victory and since we cannot make that measure with complete confidence of objectivity and since there is no absolutely necessary reason to make that kind of subjective measurement i submit to you that it is pointless if a gm is trying to put together a winning team he might consider era he might consider attitude he might consider past performance in key situations but what he is looking for is not the player that he considers the best the gm is looking for the player he thinks can help his team win we cannot isolate completely roger but we can make a pretty good estimate i wont claim to split hairs and say that we can really measure who was better robby alomar or carlos baerga last year the difference is too close to call but larkin and lee clemens and morris the differences are too great there in your measure of the game why should a team that has just won it all ever replace a single player since they are now clearly best how can they do better yet every team can always find someplace where they beleive they can improve the team they can always find a player a little better than one they already have btw by my definitions the best player is the one who does the most things to help his team win i will allow that this could vary depending on who else is on the team by having aptitudes one team needs more than others baseball is a team game but it is made of individual talents it is absurd to judge the success or failure of an individual by the success or failure of his teammates whom he did not choose at least in most cases morris won last year because he played on a team with joe carter robby alomar tom henke juan guzman john olerud et al clemens lost because he was surrounded by such lesser performers as herm winninham luis rivera and jeff reardon to define the quality of the team as a sum of its components as i do albeit imperfectly is a lesser error than defining the quality of an individual as the mean quality of the team as my reading of your arguments suggests you do clay d baseball re wohlers to minors in article 91387 hydra gatech edu ccastmm prism gatech edu mike marler writes in 1993apr2 224251 21212 rigel econ uga edu shannonr moe coe uga edu shannon reeves cntr for ed tech writes at times it seems as if no others in the bullpen are used by cox for middle relief marvin only pitched 7 innings this spring he is supposed to be over his surgery and i am wondering if cox is still trying to decide who to use as middle relief and thinks that marvin might be his better choice early in the season i would immediately give mcmchael many chances to pitch after spring and then use bedrock and freeman after that i am wondering how he intends to use howell whatever happened to senior smoke do you mean juan berenguer he was traded for mark davis in the middle of last season exchanged one stiff for another as berenguer hadnt come back from his injury in 91 i think hes retired now anyhow as middle relief marvin aint that bad he at least can pitch a couple of innings or do mop up work i dont know much about mcmichael was he the mexican league guy but everybody else in the pen is a 1 inning man except maybe mercker eric roush fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu i am a marxist of the groucho sort grafitti paris 1968 tanstaafl although the internet comes close baseball re how to speed up games marginally realistic pitchers are required to pitch or feint or attempt a pick off within 20 seconds after receiving the ball not 15 pitchers are required to pitch their warm up throws within a one minute time frame beginning after each half inning ends not two minutes and the reason why a reliever should be allowed warm ups is simple different mound different catcher ryan robbins penobscot hall university of maine io20456 maine maine edu medicine re persistent vs chronic in article 10535 blue cis pitt edu kxgst1 pitt edu kenneth gilbert writes in article 1rm29k i7t hsdndev harvard edu rind enterprise bih harvard edu david rind writes in article enea1 270493135255 enea apple com enea1 applelink apple com horace enea writes can anyone out there tell me the difference between a persistent disease and a chronic one for example persistent hepatitis vs chronic hepatitis i dont think there is a general distinction rather there are two classes of chronic hepatitis chronic active hepatitis and chronic persistent hepatitis i cant think of any other disease where the term persistent is used with or in preference to chronic much as these two terms chronic active and chronic persistent sound fuzzy the actual distinction between the two conditions is often fairly fuzzy as well i beg to differ chronic active hepatitis implies that the disease remains active and generally leads to liver failure at the very minimum the patient has persistently elevated liver enzymes what some call transaminitis chronic persistant hepatitis simply means that the patient has hbsag in his her blood and can transmit the infection but shows no evidence of progressive disease if i had to choose id much rather have the persistant type being a chronic hbsag carrier does not necessarily mean the patient has chronic persistent anything persons who are chronic carriers may have no clinical biochemical or histologic evidence of liver disease or they may have chronic persistent hepatitis chronic active hepatitis cirrhosis or hepatocellular carcinoma most cases of chronic persistent hepatitis cph are probably the result of a viral infection although in a good number of cases the cause cannot be determined the diagnosis of cph is made on the basis of liver biopsy it consists of findings of portal inflammation an intact periportal limiting plate and on occasion isolated foci of intralobular necrosis but in contrast to chronic active hepatitis cah there is no periportal inflammation bridging necrosis or fibrosis cph has indeed an excellent prognosis if i had to choose between cah and cph there is no question i would also choose cph however as david pointed out the distinction between the two is not as neat as some of us would have it the histology can sometimes be pretty equivocal with biopsies showing areas compatible with both cph and cah maybe it is a sampling problem maybe it is a continuum i dont know howard doyle doyle pitt edu religion re christians above the law was clarification of pe in article c62aig l62 blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu ken arromdee wrote in article c61kow e4z mailer cc fsu edu dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu darius lecointe writes jesus was a jew not a christian if a christian means someone who believes in the divinity of jesus it is safe to say that jesus was a christian i would label him rather an original christian not a pauline christian though sad that the original church lost the game cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net religion re bible contradictions and archer jenny anderson jennya well sf ca us wrote medtronic com dale m skiba entirely missed my point in my previous posting in which i wrote comment shortly after that post i realized two things i was running a fever of over 102 and that i probably should not have gone directly from reading alt slack to posting on this august newsgroup it is not ad hominen to point out that mr archer willingly prints blatant lies in defense of bible inerrancy and thus is worthless as an expert witness okay im game give us a listing of blatant lies from encyclopedia of biblical difficulties or other archer writings that would be interesting if only a very short list can be generated i think it is more likely that mr archer with his inerancy mindset is not always impartial and made a doozy of a mistake imho i also think that this mindset tends to generate these sorts of mistakes on the other hand if a long list can be generated it is more likely that mr archer intentionally uses deception in hs books why should he be deceptive just with tyre so archer is just sitting around rubbing his hands and plotting how next to deceive ok lets see the list this was an open question i assumed that if mr archer is a chronic liar someone whould have documented it this assumption is based on how talk origins regulars have documented numerous cases of creationist deceptions such as duane guish and his friends no long list of archer mistakes has yet been given so this may be just an isolated incident dale skiba medicine re krillean photography in article 1993apr26 204319 11231 ultb isc rit edu eas3714 ultb isc rit edu e a story writes in article 1rgrsvinnmpr gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu writes greg flame definitely intended here bill was making fun of the misspelling go look up the word krill also the correct spelling is kirlian it involves taking photographs of corona discharges created by attaching the subject to a high voltage source not of some aura it works equally well with inanimate objects true but what about showing the missing part of a leaf is this corona discharge i think i can explain the missing part of a leaf story i have actually seen a reproduction of that particular kirlian photograph in a book compiled by people who were enthusiasts of kirlian photography that particular photograph thats right the effect has been observed only once even the writers of the book were inclined to disbelieve in it i conjecture that the maker of that photograph began by placing a whole leaf between two plates and taking its kirlian photo for his next experiment he cut the leaf in half put one half down between the same two plates and took another k p the missing half effect was created by water oils etc left behind after the first photo this explanation must be tentative because after all i wasnt there when it happened regards chris henrich cars re truck tailgates mileage in article 1993mar30 203846 85644 ns1 cc lehigh edu jh03 ns1 cc lehigh edu jun he writes in article 1993mar26 221840 1204 nosc mil koziarz halibut nosc mil walter a koziarz writes in article 51300059 hpscit sc hp com chrisw hpscit sc hp com chris wiles wr ites consumers report did a study i think and found that most trucks got worse mileage with the tailgate off the tailgates on the newer trucks actually help oh sure they do and replacing the front bumper and grille with a closet door helps mileage and cooling if cr actually said that then they have bigger fools working for them than the fools that believe their drivel but who am i to argue this just someone thats been a pickup driver for 20 years thats all forget the net just take off the tailgate on hiway trips since the nets arent designed to nor capable of restraining a load in the bed anyway around town the tailgate will have a negligable effect on mileage anyway walt k they may help to improve mileage in some cases i believe with the tailgate on the flow structure behind the cab may differ and the vortex drag may be reduced during high speed driving how about those toneau covers ive been thinking of building one from chipboard for roadtrips any comment on how they affect mileage in highway travel charles within the span of the last few weeks i have heard elements of separate threads which in that they have been conjoined in time struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd unknown net person guns impeach clinton reno fact both janet reno and bill clinton have admitted responsibility even grief over the deaths in waco fact regardless of who started the fire there are more than enough things on tape to make a civil rights case against these two cruel and unusual punishment dying tortured rabbits on tape come to mind fact it is a federal felony to infringe civil rights under color of law where death is involved this offense carries a penalty of life in prison fact impeachment is allowable for high crimes and misdemeanors anything thats a federal felony should qualify conclusion we have no choice if we are an honest people but to impeach mr clinton and remove reno from office glenn r stone glenns eas gatech edu wearer of asbestos underoos cars nissan nomenclature was re manual shift bigots wanted in a previous article jkjec westminster ac uk shazad barlas says the best auto shifters on the street and not the track are those from porsche they wont change if you floor the gas during a turn a few years back a was in a 200sx auto you guys call it a 240sx without turbo and was going round a corner i floored it and next thing i know i was pointing backwards the other drivers seemed quite amused shaz you are sure that what you call a 200sx we call a 240 just curious we also have a nissan predacessor sp to the 240 called a 200 which came in turbo and nonturbo but i dont think weve ever had a 240 turbo just curious btw im in the us if that matters drew guns re request advice on waist bags fanny paks in 9304200955 aa09758 angel qdeck com burge qdeck com bill burge writes ive heard that the color strip on the bianchi was put there to identify the bianchi fanny pack to law enforcement they suposedly recieved a flyer indicating the color combinations for easy sighting this has led to lackluster sales for the bianchi well that was an easy decision no more bianchi anything for me laird p broadfield lairdb crash cts com ucsd nosc crash lairdb hi im a shareware signature send 5 if you use me send 10 for manual cars re dirty diesels yeah diesels are cleaner than petrol powered cars they even have catalysts fitted to disels now oh and citroen have even launched the first sports diesel car in the world which is probably true if you assume if its for production purposes merc benz had a prototype which runs on diesel back in around 1968 it did and read this 200 mph shaz windows re color or monochrome walther id have a look at the maximum resolution the combination of the video card and screen would have without flickering id only suggest using the color screen if it does 800 600 without flickering if this is not too small for your tastes at a 14 personally id prefer the mono screen as i always have quite a few windows open if you only run one program at a time or rarely switch maybe the color surplus is worth trading in the smaller size if you want to develop programs you will always have to check the colors i used a 14 mono screen worst of both worlds and was surprised how the colors looked i choose on a color screen regards olaf winkelhake guns re gun buy back in article 16bb8b194 r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes in article 1993apr22 134330 9761 rti rti org jbs rti rti org writes in article 16bb7ba6a r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes gun buyback programs will hopefully have an impact on accidental shootings especially youths domestic disputes where a gun is available in the heat of emotion and anger and maybe keep a few guns from being stolen and later used in street level crime what gives you the idea that gun buyback programs will have an impact on any of these things evidence please please dont misinterret what i was saying joe i was making the point tha there is no evidence of effect of gun buyback programs but hopefully if there is any effect it may prevent injuries or deaths in one of these types of common incidents saying hopefully the effect of policy x will be y is much different from saying hopefully if there is any effect of policy x it will be y here youve made both statements if the former describes a reasonably likely outcome of policy x then perhaps policy x is worthy of consideration but the latter statement is not something to base policy decisions on firearms are the fifth leading cause of unintentional deaths among children ages 14 and under according to groups like the center to prevent handgun violence formerly the national coalition to ban handguns interesting name change dont you think who include murder and suicide by firearms in the leading causes of unintentional death figures but dont include murder and suicide by other means as causes of unintentional death cant you see past the bullshit i dont understand how the ratio to other accidental deaths is important so guns dont kill as many children as car accidents what is the difference in severity between 1 000 deaths and 10 000 deaths i am not trying to use accidental gun related deaths among children as a justification for gun control who needs to be convinced that accidental gun deaths of children is a serious problem i assumed that any humane person would be concerned when any 10 year old got hold of their parents gun from their bedroom drawer and accidently blew away one of their friends certainly accidental deaths by any cause are serious things but the anti gun groups insist over and over again that accidental death by firearms is a stastically serious problem and even if you dont use these deaths as a justification for gun control these groups do im sorry if i jumped to conclusions about your reason for mentioning accidental deaths due to firearms being something that warranted concern but in light of your statement that you are a staunch supporter of gun control measures i think the conclusion was a reasonable one the fact remains that tragic though individual accidental gun deaths may be they are not a serious problem statistically speaking please explain why you think symbolic offerings do good my point was gun buyback programs which are almost always run by police departments might i stress might do a little i stress little good by giving people the impression that the police are attempting to respond to interpersonal gun violence in a unique way overall i thought that i had made it clear that i did not think that gun buyback programs were useful sorry if it wasnt clear to me i thought you were waffling on your view of buyback programs with the talk of symbolic offerings and hopefully preventing accidents and heat of passion shootings i have to disagree on all these counts i cant understand how a buying guns from people who arent intending to misuse them obviously those who want to use guns to commit crimes arent going to turn them in could be construed as a positive way for police to respond to interpersonal violence i suggest you go back and look at wherever you saw these statistics i suspect youll find if you look carefully that 135 000 is the number of students estimated to have carried a weapon not necessarily a gun to school at least once in the past year and not the number of students who carry a gun to school daily well joe i suggest that you talk to the center to prevent handgun violence what the people who publish figures saying that as many children commit suicide by handguns alone each year as the fbi says commit suicide by all methods per year who do you think i should believe the people who call everyone up to age 24 children when theyre screaming about the carnage of our nations children being caused by handguns or the centers for disease control ah yes the agency that considers accidental shootings of children to be such a statistical problem that a stated objective in the healthy people 2000 document is to enact laws in 50 states requiring manufacturers of handguns to make the handguns more difficult to fire minimizing the likelihood of accidental or intentional dscharge by children the agency that funded the study of dc which pronounced that the dc gun ban had saved x lives yes they actually gave us a number on the basis of a look at the number of shootings rather than the rate of shootings it wasnt their fault that the population of dc dropped in their post law period if you look carefully you will see that you greatly underestimate the presence of guns in the lives of youths the cphv reports that 135 000 youth bring guns to school daily and that 400 000 bring guns to school at least once a year the cdc estimates that 1 out 0f 25 high school students carried a gun to school at least once in 1990 okay ill concede i no longer have the numbers i once read on these ill retract my dispute of your numbers however i would be greatly interested in seeing how cphv and cdc came up with these numbers the cdc also says that 1 2 million elementary aged latch key children kids who come home from school to an empty house have access to guns in their home whats this got to do with anything hell when i was in elementary school i came home to an empty house with guns in it why is this a problem i didnt touch the guns i had been taught not to i had also been taught not to mess with the gasoline in the garage the fuse box the car the knives the oven and the tools the problem is not the guns its the parents california schools reported a 200 increase in student gun confiscations between 1986 and 1990 and a 40 increase between 1988 and 1990 florida reported a 61 percent increase in gun incidents in schools between 1986 87 amd 1987 88 these are the statistics and what are these states doing with the kids they find with guns nothing no criminal prosecution no expulsion in most cases not even suspension they take the gun slap the kids on the wrist say aint it awful and go on as if everythings back to normal whats wrong with this picture okay maybe i worded it wrong dad i meant that to put children in a situation fortified compound where harm could come to them is not the act of a messiah in my opinion im not saying that koresh had control over these children directly but i would hope that whatever messiah there is would not let innocent children die i dont think koresh was the messiah either but isnt it obvious that if he believed the forces of evil were come to destroy him then he believed the children were much safer inside the compound i didnt say he was sane just that he behaved in a pretty rational manner given what he thought was going on he thought he had them in the one place where harm wouldnt come to them if as he claimed he was the messiah and people followed him as such why did he not tell their parents to free the children instead of letting them burn alive lets see you try to find the exits unbarricade them and flee a fire when youve been kept awake for most of 50 days by loudspeakers and subjected to six hours of tanks knocking in your walls and tear gas assault joe baseball candlestick park experience long ive been a giants season ticket holder for years and never really complained about the old ballyard place sure its been cold the food lines were long and the hired hands were surly but this was all part of the giants mystique or so i thought i went to tuesdays game 3 1 giants over the marlins and the stick was a much different place nothing short of a dome will eliminate the wind but everything is a lot better the lines are a lot shorter the bathrooms are clean and have running water and the hired hands were very polite the new foghorn lights up and blows after each homerun and the wooden fence are very nice as are the new bleachers the bleachers start right at the top of the fence and give a great view and theyve got beer stands at the bottome of the bleachers the only complaint is that the electronic old fashioned scoreboard looks electronic could be better these things should have been done a long time ago but it took a real businessman ex safeway president peter magowan to figure it out just like he used to tell his checkers if the customers dont come back i dont need as many checkers this isnt a knock on bob lurie he was a competent businessman but he didnt deal much with the general public ill give an example of how the level of service has changed the onion dispenser jammed as i was using it an attendant came over apoligized for the problem and proceeded to fix the machine after he was done he cleaned the machine and said he was glad to be able to help in the old days there was no attendant and the folks at the concession stands would say go to the stand 100 feet away they might be able to help all in all it was a fun day craig eid e mail address craige hpsad sad hp com guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders from article 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu by ive yet to meet a group of baptists who were stockpiling cambells soup and m 16s ar 15s and banging marrying thirteen yuear sic olds so out of the numerous baptists that you hang around with you havent seen any of the above behavior which trait stocking food for more than a week or owning a firearm is the definition of a cult what proof aside from davids aquittal leads you to believe that any banging marrying of thirteen year olds was going on does your wife know that you equate marriage with banging youre a sorry son of a bitch if you cant draw a distinction between these two things since this guy doesnt like the concept of freedom of religion hes going to insult you and your mom people like you cheapen our constitution by using it to defend sociopaths who arent deserved of it get a life and chill on the paranoia sociopath person with asocial or antisocial beahavior sociopaths 200 persons all who cant stand other people sharing the same ranch house joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu it all suddenly becomes clear why does everyone discover the net in the spring random windows re how can i use the mouse in non windows in article 5iq netcom com kasajian netcom com kenneth kasajian writes wnkretz ikesg1 energietechnik uni stuttgart de oliver kretzschmar writes hey could somebody tell me how it is possible to work with the mouse in a non windows application which runs in an window we use ms windows 3 1 and have clipper applications exists there any routines or something else please mail me your informations thanks for your efforts oliver name o kretzschmar inst ike university stuttgart phone 49 711 685 2130 pfaffenwaldring 31 fax 49 711 685 2010 7000 stuttgart 80 email wnkretz ikesg1 energietechnik uni stuttgart de very simple you have to have the mouse com or mouse sys loaded in dos before you run windows note that you dont need to have these files loaded to use the mouse in windows and you need a video driver which is completely windows 3 1 compatible and your mouse driver has to be completely compatible as well not quite so simple i never could get my logitech mouse to work 100 in a dos window with my old paradise card now i have a diamond ss24x and the 6 2 mouse drivers and everything works perfectly steven m baseball re notes on jays vs indians series in c5hpcv 4hl andy bgsu edu klopfens andy bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein writes cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes in article 1993apr13 195301 22652 csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson lu writes guess which line is which ba obp slg ab h 2b 3b hr bb x 310 405 427 571 177 27 8 8 87 y 312 354 455 657 205 32 1 20 35 i just love how the alomar fans left rbis off this list give me a break alomar fans left rbi fans and runs off this list because they are dependant on the team to a large extent if frank thomas hit first hed lose a lot of rbis and anyways how many 2nd place hitters have you known to drive in 100 runs doesnt happen that often very unlikely with devon whites 300 obp in front of you gord niguma fav player john olerud guns re waco clinton press conference part 1 cathyf is rice edu catherine anne foulston writes could yall please stop posting this stuff to tx general tx politics is sufficient and is where this stuff belongs thanks cathy cathy foulston rice university network systems support cathyf rice edu why baseball re pleasant yankee surprises in article 120399 netnews upenn edu sepinwal mail sas upenn edu alan sepinwall writes and now the not so pleasant surprises 2 tartabull the book on tartabull was keep him healthy and hell produce well he hasnt done too much so far sure hes hit a few homers but those were all solo shots and he hasnt gotten any of the big rbis that your cleanup man is supposed to give you then again he had a slow start last year once he got off the dl that is and turned into a one man wrecking crew see you in the series alan lets see april 15th less than 30 at bats and you claim that he hasnt done too much so far cut this guy some slack danny will produce this year its scary to think just how much hell produce if he were to stay healthy all year the yanks have a lot going for them this year good starting rotation good bullpen good defense and a good lineup also i like buck showalter frank howard on 1st is also a good move everything sounds good so far if the yanks stay healthy they have a good chance at winning the pennant this is the most fun ive had watching the yanks since 78 bobby cars re sprayed on bedliner info wanted in rec autos dennis hpcvra cv hp com dennis schloeman writes xsorry to repost this again so soon but xthe information from my earlier post was xdeleted from our system xi am looking for information concerning x sprayed on bedliners for pickup trucks xa company here does it using polyurethene xbut theyve only been around for 9 months xso theres not much of a track record here xis the sprayed on bedliner any good how xwell do they hold up over the years any xinfo would be appreciated x xthanks x xdennis do you have a ziebart dealer in your area theyve offered spray on bed liners around here for several years if you do see what kind of a warranty they have unfortunately i dont know anyone who has gotten one so i cant help you there also ask if they can give you a list of references mack costello mcostell oasys dt navy mil code 65 1 formerly 1720 1 david taylor model basin carderock division hq nswc bethesda md 20084 5000 phone 301 227 2431 religion re question for those with popular morality in article 1993apr5 165709 4347 midway uchicago edu dsoconne midway uchicago edu writes but there is a base of true absolute morality that we can stand on note that if the majority of people remain unconvinced this idea probably isnt worth very much in a pragmatic sense maybe not to you but to those who stand on this base he is precious link baseball re juggling dodgers in article mssc5mx2v c44 netcom com mss netcom com mark singer says lasorda juggled his lineup against the pirates friday night and from the results one might conclude that he will stick with the changes for a while butler reclaimed leadoff spot probably for the whole season davis wants to get his speed into play 4 for 4 last night piazza the kid is doing everything well very well strawberry the primadonna insists on batting cleanup how do you know this did lasorda say before the game heres the lineup im using im batting strawman fourth because the primadonna insists on batting cleanup if this is true note that i dont think it is lasorda should be fired for at least two reasons 1 publicly humiliating his players 2 knuckling under to his players wishes however i think that the more likely explanation is that lasorda wanted strawberry to bat fourth and that you hate strawberry bob vesterman guns re blast them next time deleted because it sounds twisted with the wod and the increased crime in the streets the batf is needed more now then ever if they blast away a few good fokes then that is the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country look at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country of ours flame thrower on well i dont want my tax dollars going to that kind of philosophy maybe if the good folks you are talking about are people like you than i might be inclined to accept it what does the batf do anyway why dont we have a bureau for militant paranoid freedom killers like yourself people like you are more dangerous than alcohol tobacco and firearms with the arms build up in waco they needed to hit that compound with mega fire power they could of gone in there blasting and killed a few women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn to death 51 days later maybe we should just have nuked the whole city i mean whats a 100 000 good souls anyway get real you sound like a racist i guess life isnt so precious to you do you realize that there were 24 children killed they will never get to fall in love they wont see another sunrise no prom no first date no football baseball no nothing why doesnt some people think first before they let everyone know how narrow they are flame thrower off guns re waco they did it masada in article c5rtlj aqz usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wayne j warf writes i cant see these people standing calmly around while they burned to death sorry i just cant see them choosing a death as horrible as this the story doesnt wash itll take some convincing to get me to believe it the fbi said today that koresh had earlier intended to strap himself with explosives come over to the fbi agents and detonate but lost his nerve he lost his nerve for a quick clean death but not to roasted alive sorry dont believe it even if he was nutty as a fruitcake on ted koppel last night the ubiquitous australian woman claimed that koresh trained the women years ago how to commit suicide by swallowing cyanide or by putting a gun in their mouth with cyanide on hand why choose to roast yourself there are too many unanswered questions here cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet medicine re localized fat reduction due to exercise question in 1993apr25 203223 28534 mnemosyne cs du edu hchung nyx cs du edu writes i was just wondering if exercises specific to particular regions of the body such as thighs will basically only tone the thighs or if fat from other parts of the body such as breasts would be affected just as much there are two different mechanisms here toning of muscles and reduction of fat exercises specific to particular muscles will tone only those muscles exercised example look at differences in arm circumferences between pitching arms and non pitching arms in major league pitchers however if exercise also leads to reduction of body fat the loss of body fat will be equally distributed over the entire body there is no way to spot reduce body fat other than surgically through liposuction distribution of body fat is genetically determined sometimes a very flabby muscle will look like fat so when that muscle gains some muscle tone it may appear as though the fat is changing into muscle but really fat and muscle tissues are totally separate and one does not ever change into the other ruth ginzberg rginzberg eagle wesleyan edu philosophy department wesleyan university usa windows re x emulator a posting in another news group i read a while ago said that pc xview and pc xremote allow you to use xterm call ncd 503 641 2200 for more info hope it helps hao hao zhang dept of stat wharton school univ of penn zhang48 wharton upenn edu hzhang compstat wharton upenn edu baseball cubbies is there a chicago cubs mailing list if so id like to join any help appreciated medicine re krillean photography thomas trusk ttrusk its mcw edu wrote in article c67g01 2j1 efi com alanm efi com alan morgan writes in article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alex vuse vanderbilt edu alexander p zijdenbos writes i am neither a real believer nor a disbeliever when it comes to so called paranormal stuff but as far as im concerned it is just as likely as the existence of for instance a god which seems to be quite accepted in our societies without any scientific basis oooooh bad example im an atheist this is not flame or abuse nor do i want to start another thread this is after all supposed to be about image processing but to say youre an atheist is to suggest you have proof there is no god that means that there cannot be any atheists since there is no way that you can prove that there is no god atheists are people who believe that there is no god most not only believe but also are damn sure that there isnt a god like me the cursor aka nick humphries u2nmh csc liv ac uk at your service whats the use of computers theyll never play why pay money to see chess draw art or make music jean genet bad films stay home intelligence isnt to make no mistakes but how and see bad tv for to make them look good bertolt brecht free sam goldwyn windows changing system font hello i have windows 3 1 and i was wondering what is necessary to change the default system font to something else i have just obtained msc c 7 0 with sdk so id really like to get my feet wet with doing my first windows pro gram to change the system font tx william f maton 646379 acadvm1 uottawa ca the mercedes benz convertible u646379 csi uottawa ca the unicycle cars re ford probe opinions centered around the gt in article heiser acs2 bu edu bill heiser writes in article chuck eos ncsu edu chuck kesler writes jeremy g mereness zonker cmu edu says can anyone offer any opinions of the ford probe ala how they do in the long run repair records reliability mileage etc ive found mine 93 probe gt to do quite well window problem deleted artical has been trimmed i have had my probe looked at twice by my local dealer where i purchased the car the first time they made this problem worse the second time after advising them of the service bulletin mentioned on my ford probe mailing list they said they didnt know of the bulletin they adjusted the window and made it much better however it now makes a scritch scritch noise on rough roads and still squeals when i open close the window in wet weather anyone elsess do this ive not had any of the air or leakage problems that have been reported but do get the squeal that bill describes i live in seattle so the wet weather may be a factor ford only gives 1 key with the car cmon ford spend an extra few pennies if i recall correctly i got two keys horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center personal preference youve got to position the fingers perfectly to make it beep buttons are terrible this is true im wondering if this may be a safety concern ie if people pound on the place where the airbag lives speaking of the horn i was surprised to find that the probe comes with one of those nice merican sounding horns instead of the japanese sounding kind the previous probes had japanese horns no opinion transmission the 5 speed is a must i have always been a 5 speed guy almost every car ive ever owned has been a 5 speed because i got a good deal on this car with the 2500 miles i knowingly overlooked the fact that it has an automatic but it is a pretty high tech automatic it is a fully electronicaly controlled 4 speed with the 5 speed is much more fun we opted for the automatic for a number of reasons but its still fun and in some ways more practical no shake rattle noises when going over bumps potholes still ditto shakes and rattles has been my main gripe ive gotten them to fix the worst of them but i fear that with the rather harsh ride the car will be a virtual potpouri of rattles when it gets older i too would suspect that this may be true tires 225 55vr16 goodyear eagles 70 left hoping for 30k very very very well it sticks to the road like glue even on a rough surface yes interior is very very nice too very pleasing to the eye and ergonomically sound definitely ford mazda did a very very nice job on this one the car has a much more expensive than it actually is look and feel to it ditto yes this cars stiff suspension isnt for everyone i personally like it but if you find it a little harsh but otherwise like the car id strongly suggest looking into the mx 6 agree check it out i dont mind it but would say that if it was much stiffer it might be a problem how about the 93 r1 rx 7 for suspension well i wouldnt encourage passenger carrying in the probe unless the person in the front seat likes to sit with his knees to the dash as mentioned in the consumer reports write ups consider the back seat as a parcel shelf no biggie to me though if it had been id not have bought the car but its definitely not a family car true ive heard that the exhaust system has trouble but mine works fine i havent heard about this one i know that some of the very early probes 89 and maybe 90 had problems with prematurely rusting mufflers which ive had this problem and read about it or at least i assume the one i had was the one i read about in any case what happened was the weld between the muffler and the pipe feeding it ok so im not a mechanic broke in my case the dealer welded it ordered replacement parts and put them on when they got them i suspect this is some sort of 1 design flaw or 2 production flaw in any case i have an earlier model and would expect it to be worked out on newer ones in any case it is a warrantee repair or they get the keys back from what ive heard it sounds like ford mazda had some qc problems with the probe and probably mx 6 when they first went into production but i think these problems have mostly been corrected at this point thats almost always to be expected with a completely new car like this though i have to agree that they seem to have some qc problesm but i seriously feel the car design is sound and expect it to do very well i second this there seems to be some things that slipped through but the car seems very sound while not perfection what is you get an awful lot for your money bill heiser heiser acs bu edu heiser world std com boston university boston ma btw bill has a probe mailing list you might want to subscribe to it if you are interested in more detail try request ford probe world std com did i get that right never can remember if the request goes on the front or the back john navitsky johnn eskimo com exercise a right today baseball re old predictions to laugh at edward ted fischer writes robert c hite writes dead wrong last time i checked jim fregosi was still managing the phillies and doing quite a fine job thank you best record in baseball at 8 1 look asshole i got him confused with somebody else i didnt flame you and i would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy what is your problem hites post wasnt a flame it was a correction of your error your reply was a flame no i dont know everything in the world does that surprise you not in the least steve novak ban the bomb ban the pope steven advtech uswest com religion re judas crucifixion tyre etc david joslin joslin pogo isp pitt edu wrote af664 yfn ysu edu frank decenso jr writes based on the amount of e mail from fellow christians who have read the posts and told me i was wasting my time with butler and joslin i told them i wasnt doing it for db or dj but for other christians they have told me that dbs and djs arguments wont convince most bible studying christians so i have reevaluated my purpose here and its also contributed to my decision so most bible studying christians wont be convinced by my arguments and this is supposed to be a good thing i presume where does this most bible studying christians think as frank does come from and what implied good are you doing for other christians at least some of what you are teaching has been demonstrated as wrong has it ever occured to you that you may be doing more harm than good to your fellow christians btw i used to think like frank does i went to a fundamentalist church for a while i didnt start to really think about what they were saying until i noticed a gods science phamphlet there i read it and noticed that the authors of it knew virtually nothing about science i asked church members some questions about theories from the phamphlet and got only deceptive answers i began to notice a very similar style of answers for theological questions as well the only conclusion i could reach was that these peoples beliefs about the bible were about as valid as their beliefs in their gods science phamphlet if there are still people out there who think that my purpose here is to attack the bible an accusation frank once made i would point out that i have also criticized people who have posted bible contradictions that turn out to be silly out of context or easily and legitimately reconciled im not attacking the bible but intellectual dishonesty about the bible from either side if one of the primary purposes of christians is to seek out truth how can people condemn you for doing this dale skiba windows re wanted info on asymetrix toolbook in article 1993apr19 065354 14002 prl philips nl dewinter prl philips nl rob de winter writes does anyone know the phone and fax number of the asymetrix corporation i am also interested in their e mail address i would also like to know what the current status of their product toolbook is i received the last update 1 5 about 1 5 year ago are their any new developments or is toolbook slowly dying regards rob de winter nothing beats skiing if you want to have real fun during holidays rob de winter philips research ist it building wl 1 p o box 80000 5600 ja eindhoven the netherlands tel 31 40 743621 e mail dewinter prl philips nl rob their e mail adress is support asymetrix com ive heard v 2 0 is in beta have a look at bitserv list toolb l which is a toolbook list regards olaf winkelhake baseball re braves update in article steph 735349318 pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson says the events i saw were 1 called strike by hirschbeck 2 shocked looking gant asks for appeal to first 3 no appeal to first 4 gant steps out of batters box 5 hirschbeck immediately orders gant back in bad move even i noticed that gants demeanor was not one of a batter attempting to regain his concentration gant was stalking off i wonder if gant said something to the ump 6 gant ignores hirschbeck and walks off bad move actually there was a small hand wave by gant as if to say dont bother me gant may have said something here too 7 hirschbeck yells at gant gant is silent 8 hirschbeck calls for the pitch 9 pitch is called a strike 10 cox argues couldnt see when he came on the field cox was already halfway to the ump when the strike was called 11 cox is ejected players everywhere 12 play finally resumes gant shouldnt have ignored hirschbeck not returning made the strike call fairly likely although i suspect an argument might have gotten gant tossed altogether but if hirschbeck had let gant step out the whole incident probably would have been avoided my impression was that gant was not stepping out he was making a protest about the lack of an appeal to first as has been pointed out earlier there is no appeal to first on a strike i can understand gant feeling a little pressure in a two out risp 1 0 game ninth inning he let it get to him the ump also overreacted gant was stalking off but i doubt he would have been gone long hirschbeck should have let him have a moment to compose himself before telling him to come bat imho umpires should be more flexible than what hirschbeck showed gant was disturbed to the point it was pretty likely he would not get a hit a very bad finish to a pretty good game dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball wayne barber data support specialist university of maine system internet barber maine maine edu baseball re bases loaded walk gives reds win in 12 in article mssc5y5u0 4dn netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes in article c5xwai 3nu news cso uiuc edu hbrooks uiatma atmos uiuc edu harold brooks writes in article mssc5xb3i 2cg netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes actually i think the large scale sample size is part of the problem it seems to me that if we were to plot all the players in baseball in regard to ba vs clutch ba deviation we would get some kind of bell curve the x axis being the deviation in clutch hitting vs non clutch the y axis being the number of players certainly there would be some players on the extreme ends of the bell my supposition is that if we were to find the same players consistently year after year at one end of the bell or the other then we might be able to make some reasonable conclusions about those players as opposed to all baseball players lets be careful here if players performance was completely random in clutch no clutch then you would still expect some players to be good in the clutch every year and some to be not so good every year with two years worth of data youd have 1 4 of the players good each year 1 4 bad each year and 1 2 would have one good and one bad year we have 96 players for 5 years 84 88 just flipping a coin youd expect 3 players to be good all 5 years and 3 to be bad every year this is what we actually get no of good years 0 1 2 3 4 5 clutch performers 4 10 37 24 18 3 coin flip random 3 15 30 30 15 3 essentially the distribution of clutch performers by number of years of good performance is the same as what you would get if the process leading to deviations from non clutch performance was completely random if there was anything to clutch hitting at least in this definition that had any predictive capability you expect to see the number of players at the ends to be much larger than that predicted by flipping a coin further if you limit yourself to players who were a lot above or below average in clutch situations say 1 standard deviation from the mean more than one year the random explanation still looks good in the four years 84 87 that i looked at the data from elias there were 79 29 players with a minimum of 25 50 at bats in clutch situations that were 1 sigma from the mean two different years of those 79 29 players 38 14 of them changed sign between the two years in other words they were great clutch hitters one year and really horrible the other year if it was just a random process youd expect those numbers to be 39 5 14 5 everything thats been measured about clutch hitting over a period of years that could be used to predict any ability with any proposed definition has looked like a random process with the caveat that there may be something related to platoon advantage that could be dragged out of the data e g john lowenstein probably never had a clutch ab against a left handed pitcher but he might well have had some in blowouts so that there would be a bias since his clutch abs would be more geared to his platoon advantage this is not a subject that has been glanced at casually a lot of people have put a lot of effort into studying it and every one of them with the exception of the elias study has been unable to find anything that would allow you to predict how someone will do in clutch situations better than flipping a coin self serving plug follows some of the flaws in the elias study are discussed in my paper in the forth coming sabr book the perfect game by taylor publishing the authors are supposed to get a slice of the advance so go bug your local bookstores now and maybe i can get enough to take my wife to dinner once harold harold brooks hbrooks uiatma atmos uiuc edu national severe storms laboratory norman ok i used to work for a brewery too but i didnt drink on the job p bavasi on dal maxvills view that florida can win the nl east in 93 windows re speeding up windows in article 972 thunder lakeheadu ca djserian flash lakeheadu ca reincarnation of elvis writes i have a 386 33 with 8 megs of memory i have noticed that lately when i use programs like wpfw or corel draw my computer boggs down and becomes really sluggish what can i do to increase performance what should i turn on or off will not loading wallpapers or stuff like that help when it comes to the running speed of windows and the programs that run under it thanx in advance derek you can try defraging your disk more often it definitely will help speed things up a 2 megs smartdrv is also a good idea with the amount of memory you have and use fastdisk 32bit access if you not already hope that help n ngo windows re solution multi setups on standalone easy rhudson gomez intel com ron a hudson writes peter goudswaard goudswaa fraser sfu ca wrote setup deleted finally in order to run your specific version of windows you must simply change the path to include c winmastr and your specific configuration path e g c winwife you could get fancy and use batch files environment variables or a menuing system to do this other stuff delete if you happen to be running the new msdos 6 you could use multi setup to provide a menu with a menu choice for each person using the machine power up select your name the menu will use your personal sections of config sys and autoexec bat thus setting up the path then running your windows copy ron excellent suggestion ron and as a further comment on dos 6 if you decide to install windows standalone configuration completely in more than 1 directory on your hard drive and use dos 6 to jump to a specific copy for each user you could be saving yourself many megs of disk space if you use the setup n and a technique peter goudswaard goudswaa sfu ca preferred pgoudswa cln etc bc ca pgoudswa cue bc ca theres no gift like the present goudswaards observation cars re too fast in article 3090 shaman wv tek com andrew frip wv tek com andrew klossner wr ites can i ask have any of you been at the speed of 130 its a rush so is cocaine whats your point andrew klossner andrew frip wv tek com dont know about the cocaine but windows re hercules graphite in article c5jbkf 9b8 usenet ucs indiana edu ntaib silver ucs indiana edu iskandar taib writes in article 1993apr06 185638 12139 metrics com tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes has anyone used a hercules graphite adapter it looks good on paper and steve gibson gave it a very good review in infoworld id love to get a real world impression though how is the speed drivers support the pc world reviewers found out that the herc people had hard coded winbench text into the driver clever no in any case the winbench results are pretty much inflated but the impressive performance of the graphite was not its winmark it was its wintach result esp the paint performance judging from the wintach tests i can hardly imagine that there is a cheat driver for it agus budy wuysang digitech student monash university clayton melbourne australia windows standard and enhanced question why is win 3 1 sometimes so finicky i have a new dell 486dx2 66mhz 8 megs ram windows was working just great i had a bus mouse and mother board problem dell replaced the mouse gave me a newer mouse driver for windows and replaced the motherboard just prior to this problem windows would only load up every other time i would get the logo and either it would go on into windows or lock up this was very consistent every other time now with the new motherboard and all it still does the same thing the computer is less than one month old at first it worked fine i can get into windows each time now with the win s command this forces standard mode things seem to run slower i mainly use windows apps but in standard mode there is no virtual mem plus it is slower i re loaded windows it still does the same thing should i first delete everything in all windows dirs i did not because i have so much added in sub dirs etc really puzzling why enhanced mode would not load each time but consistently every other time standard mode each time any thoughts or comments c ya artin this communication is sent by artin university of arizona tucson ak333 cleveland freenet edu mlinsenb ccit arizona edu mlinsenb arizvms death has been dead for about 2 000 years follow the king of kings windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article dil admin mhs unc edu dave laudicina writes ignore the attacks and look at the sales numbers and the ms stock price if you need some gratification just keep doing the great job you have done in the past thx dave l this is the part that usually gets me while i am set to make money there usually are other things to be considered and debated that is the purpose of life if you only willing to look at the stock price and sales numbers for gratification usually youll end up with japanese or whoever that is competitive owing your business i e short sighted imo this is very irresponsible narrow minded and selfish henceforth ignoring the attack is not the right approach as a matter of fact i just happen to believe the willingness to debate and readjust is the greatest assets of this society sales number and stock price is the short term result not the cause baseball dumb fans was re indians woofing in article 795 2bcc3ee1 ohstpy mps ohio state edu letizia ohstpy mps ohio state edu writes do you mean just like reds fans have you listened to wlw anytime they open up the lines for fans to call talk about clueless idiots the broadcasters are just as bad too jl the new york talk shows are just awful in this regard people are constantly calling wfan and wabc with stuff like i was thinking why dont the yankees trade kaminicki and silvestri to seattle for ken griffey jr and randy johnson that would really help the team or do you think the yankees can get roger clemens the show hosts are pretty good about handling these guys but its still annoying the best one was at the end of one show a caller started out with i was thinking why dont the yankees trade for and then the host hung up on him i cheered michael guns re some more about gun control first i would like to say how much i appreciate having so literate and erudite an individual as mr rutledge with whom to discuss this topic frankly most anti rkba posters refuse even to approach the topic of the original understanding of the bill of rights as detailed in the writings of the era this is most refreshing second i must apologize for leaving the discussion for several days my brigades quarterly drill was this weekend and i needed to attend to several matters pertaining to the state militia some people seem to feel that the concept of the militia is an anachro nism that is out of place in the 20th century im not sure the swiss would agree and i think perhaps a discussion of how the militia both organized and unorganized fits into the defense plans of my state mississippi please do not assume that this describes something peculiar to one southern state for instance the commonwealth of massachusetts has a well organized militia which members report maintains stocks of both riot guns and machine guns the laws of other states will vary but are probably similar title 35 of mississippi code defines our militia as all able bodied citizens of the state between the ages of seventeen 17 and sixty two 62 years the militia is divided into 3 classes the national guard the mississippi state guard and the unorganized militia the national guard is a strange sort of fish from a constitutional perspective it tries to be both state militia and federal reserve the discussion of this para constitutional arrangement is quite interesting in itself but somewhat beyond the scope of this discussion suffice it that at this date the national guard has ceased to have any constitutional standing as anything but a federal reserve force mississippi and most other states maintains a purely state organized militia in mississippi this is called the state guard in other states it may be called something else the state guard exists as a cadre or training corps made up of mostly experienced officers and senior ncos who serve as volunteers without compensation we drill on a monthly basis at the company and battalion level brigade once a quarter and have an annual drill of the whole organization our state authorized cadre strength is 694 this is a skeleton of an organization without any flesh the muscle and sinew when needed will come from the unorganized militia in time of invasion insurrection or calamity the governor can order the activation of the state guard when this takes place a call will first be made for volunteers to fill the organization out to either its contingency strength of 2194 or full strength of 4910 in the event that a sufficient number of people fail to volunteer the law provides detailed instructions for the conducting of a draft of the unorganized militia the size of the state guard is not specified by law but rather by executive order at one time the organized militia of mississippi consisted of 68 regiments needless to say the state does not have armories brimming with weapons with which to equip such a force the historical precedent for arming such a force is by use of mostly the private arms of the militiamen it is my hope that demonstrates that state militias are far from being the long dead anachronisms that some may wish to claim no i simple stated that the people have a right to join a well organized militia and i have also stated that a militia that meets once or twice a year is clearly well organized and this state of readiness that i have claimed the people have a right to is the same state of readiness expected of the militia as stated by hamilton regarding hamilton if you take hamiltons opinion as being the sole representative of the opinions of the founding fathers you will have chosen a highly skewed sample set hamilton was on the extreme federalist end of the political spectrum others such as coxe and henry can be chosen to represent the other end many contemporaries felt that the idea of having a standing army of any sort or even a select militia or train bands were contrary to the egalitarian nature of the govern ment they were striving to perfect the compromise reached was to provide for a small army which had to be refinanced every two years and iron clad protection for the militia which was to remain ever terrible and irresistible these protections included state control not federal limitation of federal utilization of the militia i e execute laws suppress insurrections and repel invasions and the right to keep and bear arms to prevent what the british had tried to do at lexington these limitations eventually proved so onerous to the federal govern ment that they were skirted by the creation of the national guard the national guard was created for one very simple reason the constitutional militia was had proved too unreliable for fighting wars of imperial expansion e g spanish american war the constitution provided that the militia could only be employed by the federal government in very limited purposes as far back as the war of 1812 militia units had refused to leave united states territory to attack the enemy further there was no constitutional authorization for any conscription of anyone into the federal military and militiamen were particularly protected in all wars until ww i every american who left the country under arms was a volunteer when the national guard acts of 1903 1916 required that each new member also enlist as a reservest in the army existing soldiers were grandfathered at least one of these grandfathered individuals refused to go to france in 1918 and his refusal was upheld by the federal courts mr rutledge has stated that the second amendment applies only to members of a well organized militia however the pre constitutional history of the american militia shows relatively few periods when the militia came close to meeting either messrs rutledge or hamiltons definition of well organized in the period of peace between the french indian war and the revolution many companies simply stopped drilling and had to be reconstituted just prior to the revolution perhaps mr rutledge would care to argue that those of my ancestors who answered the lexington alarm had forfeited their rights because their units didnt drill for a few years in the 1760s i would not be so bold again i wish to repeat the national guard for all its merits is not the militia described by the constitution nor by mr hamilton nor by mr henry nor by mr coxe the fact that the federal government and many states are delinquent in their attentions to and organizing of their constitutional militias diminishes neither their responsibilities nor the rights of the militia as detailed in the constitution misunderstanding of the nature and purpose of the militia is but one error that has crept into modern readings of the constitution the constitution prohibits states from keeping troops or ships of war in time of peace i have heard some insist this prevents states from maintaining a militia but this comes about because people today do not understand the meanings of the words in their 18th century usage today we call any large vessel a ship but in the 18th century the word described a particular kind of vessel a ship is a large vessel with three or more masts each carrying square rigged sails a brig has two masts in the contemporary usage the states were prohibited only from keeping the largest warships of the day those capable of global operations todays equivalent might be a prohibition on the states keeping nuclear missiles troops at this time meant a full time professional military organization any study of contemporaneous writings will bear this out in at least one respect i am in agreement with mr rutledge being personally involved in the maintenance and advancement of the militia as a viable means of defense for a modern society i am frequently both bemused and saddened when friends and associates wax poetic on their place in the unorganized militia and become strangely silent or scarce when invited to attend a drill of their states militia donald r newcomb university of southern mississippi dnewcomb whale st usm edu this is the way we tax and spend tax dnewcomb falcon st usm edu and spend were democrats in office medicine need help on scaring please hi i need information on scaring particularly as a result of grazing the skin i really wanted to know of 1 would a scar occur as a result of grazing 2 if yes then would it disappear 3 how long does a graze take to heal 4 will hair grow on it once it has healed 5 what is scar tissue 6 should antiseptic cream be applied to it regularly 7 is it better to keep it exposed and let fresh air at it please help any info no matter how small will be appreciated greatly but please e mail me directly because i dont read this newsgroup often this is my first time shaz guns waco clinton press conference part 1 here is a press release from the white house president clintons remarks on waco with q a to national desk contact white house office of the press secretary 202 456 2100 washington april 20 following are remarks by president clinton in a question and answer session with the press 1 36 p m edt the president on february the 28th four federal agents were killed in the line of duty trying to enforce the law against the branch davidian compound which had illegally stockpiled weaponry and ammunition and placed innocent children at risk because the batf operation had failed to meet its objective a 51 day standoff ensued the federal bureau of investigation then made every reasonable effort to bring this perilous situation to an end without bloodshed and further loss of life the bureaus efforts were ultimately unavailing because the individual with whom they were dealing david koresh was dangerous irrational and probably insane he engaged in numerous activities which violated both federal law and common standards of decency he was moreover responsible for the deaths and injuries which occurred during the action against the compound in february given his inclination towards violence and in an effort to protect his young hostages no provocative actions were taken for more than seven weeks by federal agents against the compound this weekend i was briefed by attorney general reno on an operation prepared by the fbi designed to increase pressure on koresh and persuade those in the compound to surrender peacefully the plan included a decision to withhold the use of ammunition even in the face of fire and instead to use tear gas that would not cause permanent harm to health but would it was hoped force the people in the compound to come outside and to surrender i was informed of the plan to end the siege i discussed it with attorney general reno i asked the questions i thought it was appropriate for me to ask i then told her to do what she thought was right and i take full responsibility for the implementation of the decision yesterdays action ended in a horrible human tragedy mr koreshs response to the demands for his surrender by federal agents was to destroy himself and murder the children who were his captives as well as all the other people who were there who did not survive he killed those he controlled and he bears ultimate responsibility for the carnage that ensued now we must review the past with an eye towards the future i have directed the united stated departments of justice and treasury to undertake a vigorous and thorough investigation to uncover what happened and why and whether anything could have been dne differently i have told the departments to involve independent professional law enforcement officials in the investigation i expect to receive analysis and answers in whatever time is required to complete the review finally i have directed the departments to cooperate fully with all congressional inquiries so that we can continue to be fully accountable to the american people i want to express my appreciation to the attorney general to the justice department and to the federal agents on the front lines who did the best job they could under deeply difficult circumstances again i want to say as i did yesterday i am very sorry for the loss of life which occurred at the beginning and at the end of this tragedy in waco i hope very much that others who will be tempted to join cults and to become involved with people like david koresh will be deterred by the horrible scenes they have seen over the last seven weeks and i hope very much that the difficult situations which federal agents confronted there and which they will be doubtless required to confront in other contexts in the future will be somewhat better handled and better understood because of what has been learned now q mr president can you first of all tell us why after 51 days you decided q mr president can you describe for us what it is that janet reno outlined to you in your 15 minute phone conversation with the president i cant hear you both if one will go first and then the other q sorry can you describe what janet reno q mr president the president ill answer both your questions but i cant do it at once q can you describe what she told you on sunday about the nature of the operation and how much detail you knew about it the president yes i was told by the attorney general that the fbi strongly felt that the time had come to take another step in trying to dislodge the people in the compound and she described generally what the operation would be that they wanted to go in and use tear gas which had been tested not to cause permanent damage to adults or to children but which would make it very difficult for people to stay inside the building and it was hoped that the tear gas would permit them to come outside i was further told that under no circumstances would our people fire any shots at them even if fired upon they were going to shoot the tear gas from armored vehicles which would protect them and there would be no exchange of fire in fact as you know an awful lot of shots were fired by the cult members at the federal officials there were no shots coming back from the government side i asked a number of questions the first question i asked is why now we have waited seven weeks why now the reasons i was given were the following number one that there was a limit to how long the federal authorities could maintain with their limited resources the quality and intensity of coverage by experts there they might be needed in other parts of the country number two that the people who had reviewed this had never seen a case quite like this one before and they were convinced that no progress had been made recently and no progress was going to be made through the normal means of getting koresh and the other cult members to come out number three that the danger of their doing something to themselves or to others was likely to increase not decrease with the passage of time and number four that they had reason to believe that the children who were still inside the compound were being abused significantly as well as being forced to live in unsanitary and unsafe conditions so for those reasons they wanted to move at that time the second question i asked the attorney general is whether they had given consideration to all of the things that could go wrong and evaluated them against what might happen that was good she said that the fbi personnel on the scene and those working with them were convinced that the chances of bad things happening would only increase with the passage of time the third question i asked was has the military been consulted as soon as the initial tragedy came to light in waco thats the first thing i asked to be done because it was obvious that this was not a typical law enforcement situation military people were then brought in helped to analyze the situation and some of the problems that were presented by it and so i asked if the military had been consulted the attorney general said that they had and that they were in basic agreement that there was only one minor tactical difference of opinion between the fbi and the military something that both sides thought was not of overwhelming significance having asked those questions and gotten those answers i said that if she thought it was the right thing to do that she should proceed and that i would support it and i stand by that today q mr president the president wait go ahead q can you address the widespread perception reported widely television radio and newspapers that you were trying somehow to distance yourself from this disaster the president no im bewildered by it the only reason i made no public statement yesterday let me say the only reason i made no public statement yesterday is that i had nothing to add to what was being said and i literally did not know until rather late in the day whether anybody was still alive other than those who had been actually seen and taken to the hospital or taken into custody it was purely and simply a question of waiting for events to unfold there was i have i cant account for why people speculated one way or the other but i talked to the attorney general on the day before the action took place i talked to her yesterday i called her again late last night after she appeared on the larry king show and i talked to her again this morning a president it is not possible for a president to distance himself from things that happen when the federal government is in control i will say this however i was frankly surprised would be a mild word to say that anyone that would suggest that the attorney general should resign because some religious fanatics murdered themselves applause i regret what happened but it is not possible in this life to control the behavior of others in every circumstance these people killed four federal officials in the line of duty they were heavily armed they fired on federal officials yesterday repeatedly and they were never fired back on we did everything we could to avoid the loss of life they made the decision to immolate themselves and i regret it terribly and i feel awful about the children but in the end the last comment i had from janet reno is when and i talked to her on sunday i said now i want you to tell me once more why you believe not why they believe why you believe we should move now rather than wait some more and she said its because of the children they have evidence that those children are still being abused and that theyre in increasingly unsafe conditions and that they dont think it will get any easier with time with the passage of time i have to take their word for that so that is where i think things stand q can we assume then that you dont think this was mishandled in view of the outcome that you didnt run out of patience and if you had it to do over again would you really decide that way the president no well i think what you can assume is just exactly what i announced today this is a the fbi has done a lot of things right for this country over a long period of time this is the same fbi that found the people that bombed the world trade center in lickety split record time we want an inquiry to analyze the steps along the way is there something else we should have known is there some other question they should have asked is there some other question i should have asked can i say for sure that no one that we could have done nothing else to make the outcome come different i dont know that thats why i want the inquiry and thats why i would like to make sure that we have some independent law enforcement people not political people but totally non political outside experts who can bring to bear the best evidence we have there is unfortunately a rise in this sort of fanaticism all across the world and we may have to confront it again and i want to know whether there is anything we can do particularly when there are children involved but i do think it is important to recognize that the wrong doers in this case were the people who killed others and then killed themselves q mr president were there any other options presented to you for resolving this situation at any point from february 28th until yesterday the president well yes i got regular reports all along the way there were lots of other options pursued if you go back you all covered it very well the fbi you did a very good job of it i mean the fbi and the other authorities there pursued any number of other options all along the way and a lot of them early on seemed to be working some of the children got out some of the other people left there was a at one point there seemed to be some lines of communication opening up between koresh and the authorities and then he would say things and not do them and things just began to spin downward whether there were other in terms of what happened yesterday the conversation i had with the attorney general did not involve other options except whether we should take more time with the present strategy we were pursuing because they said they wanted to do this because they thought this was the best way to get people out of the compound quickly before they could kill themselves thats what they thought q did the government know that the children did not have gas masks q congressional hearings once the situation are you in agreement with that the president thats up to the congress they can do whatever they want but i think its very important that the treasury and justice departments launch this investigation and bring in some outside experts and as i said in my statement if any congressional committees want to look into it we will fully cooperate there is nothing to hide here this was probably the most well covered operation of its kind in the history of the country more more 30 baseball re all time peak players in article c5w2le jpk ucdavis edu ez027993 dale ucdavis edu gary built like villanueva huckabay writes michael lurie the liberalizer writes hendersons stats are probably closer to dimaggios than you think then give me numbers man winfield could whip hendersons butt well youre absolutely completely dead wrong but thanks for playing as soon as i get to my office ill be happy to post rickey and daves career lines both are very fine players but henderson has consistently been better as for rickey slacking due to his contract problems this year any comments considering hes basically picked up the entire team and put them on his back i think he deserves a little slack and i think he deserves a 4 year extension at 6m per year quickly i was upset at people dissing winfield henderson is the better player winfield can come close though lets see what rickey does for the rest of his career people forget how good winny was in the 80s and also how great rickey was baseball re yankee thoughts scott asd com scott barman writes in article 1993apr20 154542 147196 clam com sam steamer clam com sam mandelbaum writes 2 wade boggs i live in boston and like wade a lot but his career is winding down and i would rather see the yanks start to develop a long term solution i e hensley muelins russ davis velarde besides wade just doesnt have any range what a shame about charlie hayes huh who would you have playing 3b wade boggs or charlie hayes my choice is boggs no contest it will give them time to develop younger talent in an area the yankee farm system seems to be deficient a hem two words russell davis playing in the cavern at albany aa last year 375 410 385 down the alleys and to center davis went 285 355 483 with 22 homers there arent any small parks on the road in the eastern league either hes 23 and his mle was 258 308 416 17 hr i have no fielding statistics but from seeing him a number of times last year id say that hes not brooks robinson but neither is he howard johnson unless they think they can win the pennant this year which seems possible and need boggs to do it i think theyre making the same sort of mistake with davis that boston made with boggs leaving him in the minors for two or three years after hed shown that he was a good hitter 3 spike owen see wade boggs id much rather see them develop dave silvestri or whoever wade and spike next to each other in the infield is going to raise the yankee staff era 1 2 point and these guys are on the down sides of their careers too bad they gave up on randy valarde too many trips on the columbus shuttle hrm they still have him on the roster 16 ab through the first two weeks theyve just never figured out what to do with him i suspect that he hits enough especially vs lefties to be a reasonable shortstop one rumor running around during spring training was that they wanted to convert silvestri to be a catcher because his body type was wrong for a shortstop youd think that somebody in the same division who plays baltimore about a dozen times a year would know better mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com if one of our guys went down i just doubled it no confusion there it didnt require a rhodes scholar if two of my teammates went down four of yours would i had to protect my guys don drysdale medicine 3rd cfv and vote ack misc health diabetes this is the third and final call for votes for the creation of the newsgroup misc health diabetes a mass acknowledgement of valid votes received as of april 19th 14 00 gmt appears at the end of this posting please check the list to be sure that your vote has been registered read the instructions for voting carefully and follow them precisely to be certain that you place a proper vote instructions for voting to place a vote for the creation of misc health diabetes send an email message to yes sun6850 nrl navy mil to place a vote against creation of misc health diabetes send an email message to no sun6850 nrl navy mil the contents of the message should contain the line i vote for against misc health 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should be defined in a way that some of the activities that lead to really important science namely thinking and informal exploration are not recognized as scientific work unless one classifies thinking and informal exploration as a mistake they fall under my definition i hope no one would consider speculation thinking and informal exploration as unscientific in article c5nasf mh7 news hawaii edu lady uhunix uhcc hawaii edu lee lady writes seriously im not sure whether i misjudged you or not in one respect i still have a major problem though with your insistence that science is mainly about avoiding mistakes here is where i think we are talking at cross purposes it is not clear to me that the kind of definition i have proposed should be taken as describing what science is mainly about consider for example a definition of invertebrates as all animals lacking a backbone this fairly tells what is an invertebrate and what is not an invertebrate but it hardly tells you what invertebrates are all about one can read this definition and still not know that 95 of all animal species are invertebrates that invertebrates possess a remarkably broad range of form that some invertebrate groups such as insects and nematodes are ubiquitous in all ecosystems etc in short knowing the definition of invertebrates does not tell one what they are mainly about the misunderstanding here is my fault i did not give sufficient context for people to understand my proposed definition okay so lets see if we agree on this first of all there are degrees of certainty it might be appropriate for instance to demand carefully controlled trials before we accept as absolute scientific truth to the extent that there is any such thing the effectiveness of a certain treatment on the other hand highly favorable clinical experience even if uncontrolled can be adequate to justify a preliminary judgement that a treatment is useful secondly it makes sense to be more tolerant in our standards of evidence for a pronounced effect than for one that is marginal i agree on both counts as an example of the second it would only take a few cases of curing rabies to convince most veterinarians that a treatment was effective despite a lack of controls as to the first i do not think it is useful to talk about absolute scientific truth i think it is more useful to talk about the kinds of evidence that various claims have and the kinds of evidence in particular fields that in the past have proven faulty or reliable the latter is obviously a matter of degree and in each field practitioners try to discover the relevance of different kinds of evidence one of the primary mistakes that marks the advocacy of an idea as psuedo science is that the advocacy lacks any sense of proportion regarding the kinds of evidence related to the proposed claim the kinds of evidence that are actually relevant to it and the historical reasons in the field that certain kinds of evidence are given more weight than others it is perfectly alright to speculate i have read quite a few refereed papers that speculated left and right but the authors were careful to identify the notions as speculative to list what little evidence was presently available for them and to describe how research could proceed to either put the notion on more firm footing or to uncover its problems often what distinguishes whether a paper of this sort passes muster is the thoughtfulness with which the author sets the context and paves the way for future work it is in this area that many proponents of speculative ideas fail the folks over in sci psychology have a hundred and one excuses not to make this simple test they claim that only an elaborate outcome study will be satisfactory a study of the sort that nlp practitioners many of whom make a barely marginal living from their practice can ill afford to do most of them are also just plain not interested because the whole idea seems frivolous and since theyre not part of the scientific establishment they have no tangible rewards to gain from scientific acceptance i think a lot of scientists steer away from things that deserving or not garner a patina of kookiness when proponents of some practice see no value in more careful investigation of that practice that sets alarms ringing in many researchers minds this is unfortunate because there is undoubtedly some intersection between things that are worth investigating and things that are advocated by those who seem careless or unreasonable in their advocacy on the other hand i can understand why many scientists would just as soon select other directions for research as gordon banks has pointed out no one wants to become this generations rhine one academic in sci psychology said that it would be completely unscientific for him to test the phobia cure since it hasnt been described in a scientific journal i think this is absurd actually at least one fairly careful academic study has been done with favorable results but its apparently not acceptable because its a doctoral dissertation and not published in a refereed journal i wonder why the results were not published in my field dissertation results are typically summarized in papers that are submitted to journals often the papers are accepted for publication before the dissertation is finished this certainly eases ones defense finally i hope lee lady will forgive me from commenting either on nlp or the discussion of it in sci psychology i know little about either and so have nothing to offer russell guns re gun buy back in article 1993apr22 134330 9761 rti rti org jbs rti rti org writes in article 16bb7ba6a r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes gun buyback programs will hopefully have an impact on accidental shootings especially youths domestic disputes where a gun is available in the heat of emotion and anger and maybe keep a few guns from being stolen and later used in street level crime what gives you the idea that gun buyback programs will have an impact on any of these things evidence please please dont misinterret what i was saying joe i was making the point tha there is no evidence of effect of gun buyback programs but hopefully if there is any effect it may prevent injuries or deaths in one of these types of common incidents if youre a research associate in urban child research then perhaps you can comment for us on the ratio of the accidental gun death rate to the rate of accidental death from other single causes follow that perhaps with some sort of justification for the amount of effort that anti gunners spend trying to convince the country that accidental gun related death among children in the u s is a serious problem firearms are the fifth leading cause of unintentional deaths among children ages 14 and under i dont understand how the ratio to other accidental deaths is important so guns dont kill as many children as car accidents what is the difference in severity between 1 000 deaths and 10 000 deaths i am not trying to use accidental gun related deaths among children as a justification for gun control who needs to be convinced that accidental gun deaths of children is a serious problem i assumed that any humane person would be concerned when any 10 year old got hold of their parents gun from their bedroom drawer and accidently blew away one of their friends more than anything gun buyback programs are symbolic offerings to the community in that sense i think they might do a little good please explain why you think symbolic offerings do good my point was gun buyback programs which are almost always run by police departments might i stress might do a little i stress little good by giving people the impression that the police are attempting to respond to interpersonal gun violence in a unique way overall i thought that i had made it clear that i did not think that gun buyback programs were useful i do know that the vast majority of guns that are used by youths or brought to school by youths on a daily basis about 135 000 youths are obtained easily and quickly through a personal friend or more often borrowed from a parent without their knowledge i suggest you go back and look at wherever you saw these statistics i suspect youll find if you look carefully that 135 000 is the number of students estimated to have carried a weapon not necessarily a gun to school at least once in the past year and not the number of students who carry a gun to school daily well joe i suggest that you talk to the center to prevent handgun violence or the centers for disease control if you look carefully you will see that you greatly underestimate the presence of guns in the lives of youths the cphv reports that 135 000 youth bring guns to school daily and that 400 000 bring guns to school at least once a year the cdc estimates that 1 out 0f 25 high school students carried a gun to school at least once in 1990 the cdc also says that 1 2 million elementary aged latch key children kids who come home from school to an empty house have access to guns in their home california schools reported a 200 increase in student gun confiscations between 1986 and 1990 and a 40 increase between 1988 and 1990 florida reported a 61 percent increase in gun incidents in schools between 1986 87 amd 1987 88 these are the statistics thus willing to follow a man who claimed to be the messiah got news for you folks if the big cheese was on this crazy planet of ours presently he would not be carrying a gun or holding children when they were in danger holding kids time for a reality check son these kids were the children of the people inside who believed that the forces of evil were outside waiting to kill them would you send your children out the door if you believed as they did okay maybe i worded it wrong dad i meant that to put children in a situation fortified compound where harm could come to them is not the act of a messiah in my opinion im not saying that koresh had control over these children directly but i would hope that whatever messiah there is would not let innocent children die if as he claimed he was the messiah and people followed him as such why did he not tell their parents to free the children instead of letting them burn alive thanks for the reality check joe its been real rodney windows re smartdrv and dblspace in a recent article rcaldrn med miami edu richard calderon writes i just received a gateway 486 33 with windows and dos 6 0 i ran it a few times with no apparent problems i decided to give double space a try after compressing the drive with no problems i decided to load windows it took 1 minute 45 seconds to load after dblspace 17 seconds before dblspace i tinkered a little with the machine and noticed an error message saying smartdrive 4 0 cannot work with dblspace not unreasonable since the smartdrv packaged with dos 6 is version 4 1 make sure that all your drivers himem emm386 smartdrv are being executed from the dos directory loss of the cache provided by smartdrv could be your problem if not i dont know what might cause the startup delay my testbed for dblspace which has a very minimal amount of data on the disk so that i dont eat up too much time as i install and uninstall dblspace boots in about 20 seconds from the starting ms dos herald to the end of the autoexec bat execution i dont have handy a system with a more realistic volume of data to time joe morris mitre medicine re need advice with doctor patient relationship problem in article c5l9qb 4y5 athena cs uga edu mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu michael covington writes sounds as though his hearts in the right place but he is not adept at expressing it what you received was meant to be a profound apology apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that his heart this jerk doesnt have a heart and it beats me why youre apologizing for him in my book behavior like this is unprofessional inexcusable and beyond the pale if hes overworked its because hes too busy raking in the bucks more likely he just likes to push women around id fire the s o b and get myself another doctor die welt ist alles was zerfall ist peter cash apologies to ludwig wittgenstein cash convex com cars re best radar detector valentine 1 in article 1993apr21 190251 14371 sequent com troy sequent com troy wecker writes let me explain why i feel the bogey counter feature is a gimmick radar waves bounce off objects especially metal that is how radar speed measurement works a high frequency microwave x band approx 10 ghz and k is approx 24 ghz is sent out and reflected back to the antenna off of an automobile or other objects if an object is moving a doppler shift about 34 hz per mph on x band occurs is measured and converted to miles per hour these waves bounce all over the place and they can reflect many times and go in many directions from what i understand the valentine 1 can only tell if these microwaves are coming from the front rear or both there are only two antennas if they are coming from both this in interpreted as a side bogey bogey counts are determined as sources by their relative strength to one another even if they are reflections of the same source im certainly no engineer and really have no scientific basis on which to make this argument but dont you answer your own question is the reflected signal shifted at all from the act of being reflected if so wouldnt it then be easy for the detector to discriminate between reflections and direct sources here is the problem since the microwaves reflect how does the unit tell if it is a source or a reflection take a valentine 1 and drive to the local grocery store that uses an x band radar door opener you can tell by the small black box above the door pointed down at about a 45 degree angle and your detector going off when it gets near the valentine 1 will count 7 or 8 bogeys from all directions front rear and sides it doesnt say which side the count changes as cars drive by and reflections change is there 7 or 8 sources not at the store i go to as i drive around with a standard detector i can only find one source and that is the door opener for the front door troy wecker troy sequent com sequent computer systems beaverton or david w hwang m d david ganglion ann arbor mi us baseball re young catchers mss netcom com mark singer said we know that very very few players at this age make much of an impact in the bigs especially when they havent even played aaa ball yes but this is irrelevant youre talking about averages when we have lots of information about this player in particular to base our decisions on i might as well say we know that very very few people are more than 7 feet tall so chances are that manute bol is really only 6 foot 4 no maybe i need to improve my writing skills lopez who is very ordinary defensively is not likely to hit so well at age 22 having not played at aaa level that it is probably not a good idea to rush him into the braves lineup in 1993 why isnt lopez likely to hit that well he hit that well last year after adjusting his stats for park and league and such he hit better on an absolute scale than olson or berryhill did by a lot as for rushing if there really is a qualitative difference between the minors and the majors that requires a period of adjustment and i dont believe there is then wouldnt you rather waste lopezs 22 year old good season than his 23 year old very good season or his 24 year old excellent season the sooner you get him acclimated the more of his prime you get to use lopez was hitting 588 over 17 ab when he was cut from spring training what does he have to do to earn a chance maybe not a full time job but at least a couple starts and a few ab for him to prove his worth gee i dont know 17 abs sounds pretty good to me about as good as your reasoning that the kid should play a back up role rather than start every day at aaa talk about me as a gm the point was not that 17 ab is a significant sample but rather that he hadnt done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager to question whether his minor league numbers were for real or to send him down until he gets warmed up ok most players are not ready for the bigs at age 22 most players are never ready for the bigs what does this have to do with javy lopez most players benefit rather than being stagnant or hurt by playing at aaa see above most catchers need to be solid defensively players to help their clubs in the bigs those are the arguments against lopez for the braves for this year but i could apply the same reasoning to frank thomas or barry bonds most players arent that good so they probably wont be that good this year either now the braves have two catchers who have demonstrated solid abilities to call games to work with the pitchers to throw out runners and demonstrated inabilities to hit their way out of a soap bubble not superstars mind you but solid experienced veterans not superstars not stars not even good players maybe average if were being charitable the braves have a very solid lineup with two big bats in the outfield an excellent platoon at first a solid mvp candidate at third and one of the better hitting shortstops ummm justice is a very fine hitter pendleton might have another big year in his bat but he might also spend the season in hamstring hell gant is a big question mark the bream hunter platoon is decent not excellent and has rotten obp or slg depending on whos in blauser is a very valuable bat for a shortstop the center field platoon will probably hit 300 however good lopez bat might be given the above it wont be so much better than what they have to offset the differential in experience and defensive ability wanna bet the difference between lopezs bat and olson berryhill could be 20 or 30 runs over the course of the season given a choice between a player with experience and a player who can play ill take the latter every time the kid will improve playing at aaa just like keith mitchell did i am just so surprised i have to spell all of this out my goodness do you believe the other poster who thinks lopez is being held down because of his future earning potential that was me and you so far your only counter proposal is that they really dont understand how good lopez is or overvalue experience or some combination of the two i think my interpretation was more flattering to the organization are they idiots who have built this ballclub well argued but inflammatory reply deleted david m tate i do not know what it is about you that closes posing as and opens only something in me understands e e can the pocket of your glove is deeper than pete roses dy cummings nobody not even tim raines has such soft hands medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr19 215342 16930 sco com evanh sco com evan hunt writes in article 1993apr13 201942 26058 iscnvx lmsc lockheed com sharen iscnvx lmsc lockheed com sharen a rund writes restaurants advertize no msg many restaurants that feature salad bars use msg to keep the veggies looking fresh longer also a number this brings up an important question for me could pre made salads the kind sold in supermarkets have msg added without mentioning it legally i mean anyone know what the law is in this area steve dyer points out that sharen was probably thinking of sulfites but the question still stands evan hunt asst editor the web for more information about the web e mail to evanh sco com baseball re jim lefebvre is an idiot rickc krill corp sgi com richard casares writes in article 1993apr5 190141 17623 bsu ucs 00bjgood leo bsuvc bsu edu writes i just wanted to let everyone know that i have lost what little respect i have for jim lefebvre after seeing todays cubs game a dishard cub fan yes i also wonder if they can win with this manager i never believed managers had that much to do with winning until i saw how much they had to do with losing i like the mariners a lot but my heart belongs to the cubs you can imagine my frustration when i saw the cubs nabbing lefebvre arhgghrghh john neuharth neuharth u washington edu baseball re a rooky question about the era whitty cv hp com joe whitty writes thomas theiner thein damabus informatik rwth aachen de wrote hi there im german and i have been into this mlb stuff since almost one year now there are many problems occuring for me one of them is the era statistic for pitchers what does it say era indicates the average number of earned runs attributed to a pitcher per nine inning game thus if a pitcher pitched 3 innings and gave up 1 earned run his 9 inning equivelent perfomance would be 3 earned runs thus his era is 3 00 to compute the era you simply take the number of earned runs divided by the innings pitched and then multiple the result by 9 era er ip 9 i think there is another formula for era i heard something about it last year im not sure what it is but im gonna give it a stab it allows for a pitcher to pitch more than 9 innings at a time and not benefit cuz it uses outs recorded instead of innings pitched era er 27 outs recorded like i said im not sure this is exactly it but im pretty sure they changed it to something of the sort an earned run is run that is given up by the pitcher that is not attributed to a fielding error more specifically if an error occurs that represented the third out all runs scored after the error are considered unearned runs earned runs are also runs scored as a result of players who were left on base when the pitcher exited the game here are some examples if there are two outs in an inning and there are men on base if an error occurs that represents the third out all of the runs after this error and not counted as earned runs if a pitcher issues some base on balls walks and leaves the game before the inning is completed he is responsible for the people who were left on base if the those runners who were left on base score and the score was not a result of an error those eraned runs are attributed to the pitcher who left the game i hope this explains things for you joe religion re a kind and loving god in article sandvik 200493235610 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes in article 1993apr20 143754 643 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote i understand and sympathize with your pain what happened in waco was a very sad tradgedy dont take it out on us christians though the branch davidians were not an organized religion they were a cult led by a ego maniac cult leader the christian faith stands only on the shoulders of one man the lord of lords and king of kings jesus christ btw david koresh was not jesus christ as he claimed the interesting notion is that i watched tv tonight koresh never claimed officially to be jesus christ his believers hoped that he would be but he never took this standpoint himself he was more interested in breaking the seven seals of revelation and make sure that armageddon would start well it did and 19 children died and no god saved them kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net and does it not say in scripture that no man knows the hour of his coming not even the angels in heaven but only the father himself dk was trying to play god by breaking the seals himself dk killed himself and as many of his followers as he could btw god did save the children they are in heaven a far better place how do i know by faith god be with you malcolm lee medicine re breech baby info needed in article 1993apr5 151818 27409 trentu ca xtkmg trentu ca kate gregory writes in article 1993apr3 161757 19612 cs rochester edu fulk cs rochester edu mark fulk writes another uncommon problem is maternal hemorrhage i dont remember the incidence but it is something like 1 in 1 000 or 10 000 births it is hard to see how you could handle it at home and you wouldnt have very much time thing you might consider is that peoples risk tradeoffs vary i consider a 1 1 000 risk of loss of a loved one to require considerable effort in the avoiding mark you seem to be terrified of the birth process thats ridiculous and unable to believe that womens bodies are actually designed to do it they arent designed they evolved and much as it discomforts us in humans a trouble free birth process was sacrificed to increased brain and cranial size wild animals have a much easier time with birth than humans do domestic horses and cows typically have a worse time to give you an idea my family tree is complicated because a few of my pioneer great great grandfathers had several wives and we never could figure out which wife had each child one might ask why this happened my great great grandfathers were by the time they reached their forties quite prosperous farmers nonetheless they lost several wives each to the rigors of childbirth the graveyards in spencer indiana and boswell north dakota contain quite a few gravestones like ida wf of jacob liptrap and baby may 6 1853 you wanted to section all women carrying breech in case one in a hundred or a thousand breech babies get hung up in second stage more like one in ten and the consequences can be devastating i have direct experience of more than a dozen victims of a fouled up breech birth and now you want all babies born in hospital based on a guess of how likely maternal hemorrhage is and a false belief that it is fatal it isnt always fatal but it is often fatal when it happens out of reach of adequate help more often it permanently damages ones health clearly womens bodies evolved to give birth i am no believer in divine design however evolution did not favor trouble free births for humans you have your kids where you want you encourage your wife to get six inch holes cut through her stomach muscles expose herself to anesthesia and infection and whatever other just in case measures you think are necessary my arent we wroth i havent read a more outrageous straw man attack in months i can practically see your mouth foam were statistically sophisticated enough to balance the risks although i cant produce exact statistics 5 years after the last time we looked them up rest assured that we balanced c section risks against other risks i wouldnt encourage my wife to have a caesarean unless it was clearly indicated on the other hand i am opposed on obvious grounds to waiting until an emergency to give in and bear this in mind my wife took the lead in all of these decisions we talked things over and i did a lot of the leg work but the main decisions were really hers but i for one am bothered by your continued suggestions especially to the misc kidders pregnant for the first time that birth is dangerous even fatal and that all these unpleasant things are far better than the risks you run just doing it naturally i dont know of very many home birth advocates even that think that a first time mother should have her baby at home im no luddite ive had a section im planning a hospital birth this time but for heavens sake not everyone needs that but people should bother to find out the relative risks my wife was unwilling to take any significant risks in order to have nice surroundings in view of the intensity of the birth experience i doubt surroundings have much importance anyway somehow the values youre advocating seem all lopsided to me taking risks even if fairly small of serious permanent harm in order to preserve something that is after all an esthetic consideration mark a fulk university of rochester computer science department fulk cs rochester edu windows mewin latex help i posted this to the apps group and didnt get any response so ill try here i am trying to use the latex help feature available in emacs for windows and read that you need a separate latexhlp zip file along with a vms2hlp zip file to convert this to windows help has anyone found these files or gotten this command help to work thanks steve herrod baseball re quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb in article 1993apr06 062907 108109 locus com aardvark spica la locus com warren usui writes in article apr 5 16 22 48 1993 11331 pilot njin net gajarsky pilot njin net bob gajarsky hobokenite writes anyone who writes dean palmer has 2 homers at this pace hell have 324 home runs should be shot now on the other hand juan gonzales probably does have a shot at 324 hrs the dodgers after one inning of play have committed one error at this rate theyll have 1 455 errors this season well maybe im right this time actually you might be underpredicting eric roush fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu i am a marxist of the groucho sort grafitti paris 1968 tanstaafl although the internet comes close windows looking for tom haapanen im trying to find tom haapanen formerly tom wes on ca who was the keeper of the faq for this newsgroup he was working at watrerloo engineering software but netfind cant even find that but it may have been a uucp connection if anyone knows how to contact tom please let me know thanks tom schlatter paladin world std com baseball re sandberg runs rbis was re notes on jays vs indians series in article 1993apr16 013145 8770 princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig writes right so who cares which player gets credited as long as the team gets more runs if a player helps the team get more r and rbi but doesnt score them all himself who cares amusing isnt it seems only the sdcns realize how much baseball is a team game combining efforts from every player for the win consider the red sox game last night the sox won 4 3 in the bottom of the 13th who won the game clemens pitched a strong nine innings allowing only two runs ryan pitched a couple shutout innings though he needed some excellent defensive plays behind him to do so quantrill pitched a couple of innings gave up the go ahead run and got credited with the win when the sox scored two in the bottom of the inning looks like a team effort to me yet only quantrill got credit for the win how about the offense dawson and vaughn hit i think hrs early in the game without either one the sox would have lost in nine quintana led off the 13th with a solid single zupcic pinch ran for quintana providing the speed to go from first to third when cooper ripped a second single in the inning melvin avoided the dp getting the run home with a sac fly not much of a help but it was something scrub richardson then hit a double scoring the speedy cooper all the way from first hills lack of defense helped cooper and zupcic were credited with runs melvin and richardson were credited with rbis but it seems to me that it was quintanas hit that set up the whole inning and did melvin really contribute as much as richardson furthermore people seem to consider rbis to be more significant than runs did melvin contribute more than cooper cooper provided the game winning baserunner and moved the tying run to third base with only one out assigning credit based on runs and rbis is clearly ridiculous you can argue that obp and slg dont show you who came through in the clutch but r rbi dont do any better at least obp and slg dont claim to try to tell you that heres to the red sox who contributed to last nights victory all 20 of them valentine guns incompetent law enforcement can kill ever since the siege at waco started the fbi spokesman has been stressing how unstable and paranoid david koresh was he stressed how likely it was the the branch davidians would commit mass suicide he was concerned with the safety of the children what did the fbi do to defuse the situation did they try to reassure koresh did the fbi offer medical assistance to the bd did the fbi offer them a supply of water when the bd pump stoped working did the permit koresh to communicate with anyone outside the compound what the fbi did was harass the branch davidians as much as possible they kept powerful lights shining on the compound shut off their electrical power put their pump out of action assaulted their ears with loud noise cut off their communication with the outside and kept limiting their permitter the stated goal was to put pressure on david koresh was the fbi attempting to get koresh to surrender or were they hoping to get koresh so mad that he and some of his followers would attack the the tanks it appears that the tactics employed by the fbi did drive koresh over the edge the blame for the deaths should be shared by both the federal experts whose tactics drove koresh over the edge and the fools at the atf who planed the raid stupidity and incompetence of the batf and the fbi leadership have resulted in the needless death of 90 innocent people if every thing had gone as planned 90 people would be alive today instead the atf screwed up and caused the death of 90 incompetent law enforcement can kill you rod anderson n0nzo the only acceptable substitute boulder co for brains is silence rcanders nyx cs du edu solomon short satellite n0nzo on ao 16 guns re 2nd amendment dead good excerpts from netnews talk politics guns 18 apr 93 2nd amendment dead good by jrm gnv ifas ufl edu yea there are millions of cases where yoy say that firearms deter criminals alas this is not provable i think that that there are actually few cases where this is so excerpted from a letter i wrote a while ago although less apparent to those who have not researched the facts personal protection is as legitimate a reason as sport for the private citizen to own a gun the most recent research is that of dr gary kleck of the florida state university school of criminology 1 he found that handguns are more often used by victims to defeat crime than by criminals to commit it 645 000 vs 580 000 respectively in this study these figures are even more encouraging when you consider the number of crimes that never occur because of the presence of a gun in the hands of a law abiding private citizen in a national institute of justice study of ten state prisons across the country they found that 39 of the felons surveyed had aborted at least one crime because they believed that the intended victim was armed and 57 agreed that most criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police 2 one of the most heinous of crimes is that against the women of this country it has been my recent observation that more women are purchasing handguns for defense in response to the present danger of these assaults this should be taken as encouraging news if the events of orlando florida are any indicator in the late 1960s the female populace was plagued with a series of brutal assaults just the publicity of the record number of women buying guns and obtaining training resulted in an 88 decrease in rape for that area the only city of its size in the country to experience a decrease of crime for that year additionally a 1979 us justice department study of 32 000 attempted rapes showed that overall when rape is attempted the completion rate is 36 but when a woman defends herself with a gun the completion rate drops to 3 1 g kleck point blank guns and violence in america aldine de gruyter ny 1991 2 jd wright ph rossi armed and considered dangerous a survey of felons and their firearms aldine de gruyter ny 1986 unlike cats dogs never scratch you when you wash them they just become very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong dave barry seth eliot dept of material science and engineering carnegie mellon univerity pittsburgh pa arpa eliot cmu edu or se08 andrew cmu edu bitnet se08 andrew cmccvb baseball re braves update in c5sysg kad odin corp sgi com luigi sgi com randy palermo writes in article 13586 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes when gant turned away hirschbeck immediately motioned for gant to step into the box imo at this point in time hirschbeck was determined to show gant exactly who was in charge of this game gant wasnt dawdling he hadnt had a chance to dawdle and hirschbeck was simply exercising a power play gant resisted as many of us might to what we thought was an unreasonable request and hirschbeck called for the pitch at that point cox came out on the field the pitch was thrown and many other braves left the dugout cox was tossed protecting his player i was pleasantly surprised that gant kept his cool enough to stay in the game did you see the same game i saw gant most reasonable argued a horrible call which hirschbeck correctly did nothing about gant then proceeded to walk halfway to 3rd base lean on his bat and glare at hirschbeck while i dont necessasarily subscribe to the theory of showing people up this was an obvious attempt by gant to do so to hirschbeck he left hirschbeck no choice but to take control of the situation the bottom line is gant started a dangerous power struggle with hirschbeck when his team needed him most and he lost the events i saw were 1 called strike by hirschbeck 2 shocked looking gant asks for appeal to first 3 no appeal to first 4 gant steps out of batters box 5 hirschbeck immediately orders gant back in bad move 6 gant ignores hirschbeck and walks off bad move 7 hirschbeck yells at gant gant is silent 8 hirschbeck calls for the pitch 9 pitch is called a strike 10 cox argues couldnt see when he came on the field 11 cox is ejected players everywhere 12 play finally resumes gant shouldnt have ignored hirschbeck not returning made the strike call fairly likely although i suspect an argument might have gotten gant tossed altogether but if hirschbeck had let gant step out the whole incident probably would have been avoided dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball baseball re harry and candy f67709907 violet ccit arizona edu greg franklin writes rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes im watching a cubs rockies spring training game and i thought youd all like to know the particular way that harry caray butchers maldonado it seems to be mal n dal nado but i like the way he butchers andres galarragas name it comes out like gahlah rrrraggggah and dont forget his frequent references to the great sf giant star bobby bonds what about thaaammy thotha i for one was really sorry to hear that the cubs had sent heathcliff slocumb to the minors eric smith erics netcom com erics infoserv com ci 70262 3610 windows changing system fonts i would like to change all of the system fonts in windows i have a program that will generate system fonts from truetype but i was wondering if there is a problem to help you set up all your system fonts also how do i change the icon text color all of my icon text is black and i want to change it couldnt find any options in control panel or in win ini brad cain brad bach udel edu brad bach udel edu brad cain n3naf cain snow white ee udel edu university of delaware electrical engineering cain freezer cns udel edu blah blah blah alt blah guns the dayton gun buy back re boston gun buy back according to wnci 97 9 fm radio this morning dayton ohio is operating a gun buy back they are giving 50 for every functional gun turned in they ran out of money in one day and are now passing out 50 vouchers of some sort they are looking for more funds to keep operating another media event brought to you by hci is there something similar pro gun people can do for example pay 100 to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm sounds a bit tacky but hey whatever works larry cipriani l v cipriani att com guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes i will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors but here goes monday 19 april 1993 13 30 edt murder most foul this is murder atf murderers butchers this is genocidal mass slaughter of innocent people including children well chalk one up for driving away sympathies by looking like a paranoid lunatic i have predicted this from the start but god it sickens me to see it happen i had hoped i was wrong i had hoped that there was still some shred of the america i grew up with and loved left alive i was wrong the nazis have won i repeat as of this time there are no survivors last i heard there were nine apparently as of this point theyve found no bodies except those killed during the initial assault a couple of months ago be cute if koresh hit the trail maybe he was bodily assumed into heaven wouldnt that just make ag renos day david veal university of tennessee division of continuing education pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed when you pushed me down the elevator shaft sometimes i get to thinking you dont love me anymore weird al yankovic windows re questions about dos external join command in article 1srg8c i54 spud hyperion com the author writes i am setting up my dos unix box on a 116m ide and a 412m scsi drive and was wondering about the use of the ms dos 5 0 join command i like the way it sets things up since i wont have to stick with the c d e crap that dos enforces i like how it would mimic mount points of unix filesystems i have heard that there were problems with using it or at least under older versions of dos please tell i have been using the join command for many years now mostly with good success in duplicating unix style file mounts you will hear lots of people cursing join because they confuse it with the dos append command a truely gnarly hack but dont believe them you also will hear people saying that microsoft recommends that you not use join but in microsofts windows 4 workgroups resource toolkit the following appears join an ms dos utility works fine with windows for workgroups 3 1 if you do not change the state of the joined drives during a windows for workgroups 3 1 session this includes adding or removing joined drives from within windows for workgroups we recommend that you do not use join when running windows setup or windows for workgroups 3 1 within this caveat join appears to be valid under windows however i have found a couple of applications that dont deal well with filesystems that have been mounted using join in particular the worst offender is word for windows 2 0x it gets very confused when you edit and then try to save a file on a joined drive it wants to create the saved file as nnnnn tmp in the current dir then delete the old file and rename the nnnnn tmp file to the doc file unfortunately wfw usually writes the nnnnn tmp file in some idiotic place other than the current directory often in the root dir of the joined filesystem but not always then after deleting the original doc file it cant find the nnnnn tmp file to rename it unless you search your disk systems the document is gone i have also found subtle problems using the mks toolkit from a dos box when joined filesystems are present i used to join c temp with a 4meg ramdisk but mks sometimes gets confused when doing an ls on the c temp dir and misses some files in the temp dir this is difficult to reproduce but it goes away totally when join is not used i think this is a windows problem rather than mkss since it works ok under raw dos so i would suggest that you can use join but be aware that it may not be as robust you would like wouldnt it be real great to mount network drives i e z under the main file tree rather than having all those darned drive letters unfortunately join wont let you do it there was talk on the net about a simple patch to let join work on network drives but i dont remember the source its too bad the join command is not better implemented since it would avoid using all those stupid drive letters i realize that messdos was meant for casual even ignorant users so mounting all the drives in one file tree might be confusing but it looks like ms is going to carry this over into windows nt another os meant for casual even igorant users not with all its old family system baggage maybe ms needs a recovery group so they can get on with life jerome jerry schneider domain jls atg com aspen technology group uucp uunet csn atglab jls po box 673 ft collins co 80522 voice 303 484 1488 windows telix problem when i use telix or kermit in win 3 1 or use telix after exiting windows to dos telix can not find the serial port if you have some ideas on how to solve this problem or where i can find further information send me email or send it to the news group thanks dale erickson dericks plains nodak edu cars re mercury villager minivan good buy in article 1r8uckinncmf gap caltech edu wen king cs caltech edu wen king su writes path eclipse yktnews watson ibm com hawnews watson ibm com newsgate watson ibm com news ans net europa eng gtefsd com howland reston ans net usc elroy jpl nasa gov nntp server caltech edu wen king from wen king cs caltech edu wen king su newsgroups rec autos date 23 apr 1993 14 27 32 gmt organization california institute of technology lines 9 references 1r72ejinnk2j gap caltech edu 1r7cr2innvar sumax seattleu edu nntp posting host neptune cs caltech edu keywords mercury villager minivan van cars jittlov in article 1r7cr2innvar sumax seattleu edu smorris sumax seattleu edu steven a morris writes the villager quest seem like the best of the cravan voyager copies to come along since the mazda mpv the nissan maxima engine paired with the maxima 4 speed auto trans should be an excellent drive train and the rest of the vehicle seems well engineered only the price is controversial hmm the last time i checked villager quest does not have a maxima engine and is very much under powered for its weight same engine different state of tune less hp and maybe more torque my friend at work regularly takes 6 people in his and it seems to haul around just fine jeff goss medicine whats the difference between an m d and a d o my wife and i are in the process of selecting a pediatrician for our first child due june 15th we interviewed a young doctor last week and were very impressed with her however i discovered that she is actually not an medical doctor m d but rather a doctor of osteopathy d o whats the difference i believe the pediatrician i went to for many years was a d o and he didnt seem different from any other doctor ive seen over the years my dictionary says that osteopathy is a medical therapy that emphasizes manipulative techniques for correcting somatic abnormalities thought to cause disease and inhibit recovery jeez this sounds like chiropractic i remember getting shots and medicine from my pediatrician d o and dont remember any manipulative techniques perhaps someone could enlighten me as to the real practical difference between an m d and a d o also im interesting in hearing any opinions on choosing a pediatrician who follows one or the other medical philosophy readers of sci med please respond directly to sbrenner attmail com i do not read this group regularly and probably wont see your response if you just post it here sorry for the cross posting but im hoping theres some expertise here a t d h v a a n n k c s e scott d brenner at t consumer communications services sbrenner attmail com basking ridge new jersey guns re gritz jbs liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian in article c5l2bc c2x 1 cs cmu edu rubinoff cs cmu edu robert rubinoff writes in article 93105 230230u23590 uicvm uic edu u23590 uicvm uic edu writes note that bo gritz was on the populist party ticket with david duke for veep in 1988 until he found out that duke was leading he ticket when he withdrew his candidacy thats a revisionist account of what happened gritz was well aware of dukes presence on the ticket given that gritz is not at all shy about associating and promoting other white supremacists such as the christian identity movement or willis carto whatever reasons gritz had to leave the ticket had nothing to do with dukes presence so gritz gave up his chance to be vice president of the us just to aviod supporting duke id hardly call that giving up his chance to be vice president of the us the chance of the populist party ticket winning is essentially nil still it does imply that he doesnt want to be associated with duke i believe chip berlet has a populist party newsletter from the time with a photo of gritz happily shaking hands with duke ted frank thf2 kimbark uchicago edu im sorry the card says moops the u of c law school standard disclaimers guns re waco the militia assembles dumb move the smart move would be to sneak in someone with a tv camera and video transmitter john nagle religion re spreading christianity re christian extremist kills doctor in article c51pua k2u mailer cc fsu edu dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu darius lecointe writes david r sacco dsav andrew cmu edu writes not to be too snide about it but i think this christianity must be a very convenient religion very maliable and suitable for any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and reinterpret the bits that dont match with ones desires it is in fact so convenient that were i capable of believing in a god i might consider going for some brand of christianity the only difficulty left then of course is picking which sect to join there are just so many dean kaflowitz yes christianity is convenient following the teachings of jesus christ and the ten commandments is convenient trying to love in a hateful world is convenient turning the other cheek is convenient so convenient that it is burdensome at times some christians take a 10 discount off the ten commandments sunday cannot be substituted for the sabbath make that 20 where did i see that poll recently about the very religious and adultery was it this newsgroup or alt atheism or some other place dean kaflowitz windows boca xga3 woes hi i am having some interesting problems with my boca graphics card which is based on the cirrus logic chipset i am not sure exactly which one the problem is as follows if i use any windows driver at 800x600 except for the 64k colour driver ie 16 colour or 256 colour the image on screen becomes too tall no amount of resizing on the monitor will make it fit and if i use excel with the 64k colour driver it hangs as soon as it loads anyone out there used this card experienced anything similar please reply by mail and i will post any solutions here regards simon simon bernstein man is condemned to be free sartre university of natal durban bernstei shrike und ac za simonfish on irc windows summary ati graphics ultra questions etc to those interested in the new ati ultra cards i had posted some questions regarding the new ati ultra pro cards and had asked confirmation of some opinions this message is a summary of the responses thanks to all of you that replied 1 the card does not work in a system with 32m ram a the higher memory limits apply to isa cards only as far as i know the vlb and eisa version should have no problems b im pretty sure from my experience that the isa version doesnt work in systems with over 16m ram there is supposed to be way of switching the memory aperture feature off to prevent this but apparently it doesnt work i posted some help me messages on the net and people indicated that the eisa card didnt have this problem c false d the vlb card which i have allows you to set memory aperture over 32m by using their configuration software no messing with jumpers necessary the 32m problem is probably valid only for isa cards 2 the card works in a 32m system with some switches set but it is much slower a again the memory aperture need only be disabled if you have more than 124m ram eisa and vlb or 12 m isa 32m should not be a problem for you b dunno c depends on the bus yes if isa no if eisa or localbus 3 the card is interlaced in its 24bit true colour modes a nope i can use 640x480 at 72hz 24 bit and 800x600 at 70hz 24 bit all non interlaced b yes according to pc magazine theyve tested a local bus version that does 1024x768 in 24 bit which may or may not be interlaced c not for the pro sometimes for the plus some modes may run only interlaced on certain monitors this has nothing to do with 24 bits only with screen size note that for 24 bit color and windows you must have 2 megs memory size calculations notwithstanding 4 the latest build 59 drivers still do not work in many cases a they arent perfect but are much improved i dont recall the last time which i had to leave mach 32 mode ati gup mode and switch to 8514 or vga mode due to software incompatibility b true many people recommended going back to build 55 or 54 c they appear to be excellent but have a few bugs for example certain graphs with dashed lines in mathcad 3 1 do not print correctly though they do display ok on the screen they are about par for fancy cards other accelerated cards also have bugs d overall i like the card even if driver performance is somewhat less than satisfactory i am running the 1024 768 16 color mode as that is all my nt driver for october nt version seems to allow i will say this that color performance is not quite as nice as a diamond stealth vram but i have not been able to try out a lot of the options on the old driver 5 this card is the fastest full colour card for the money a its quite fast but whether or not its the fastest is open to debate b yes ill admit it was very very fast in 16 bit mode which is what i wanted to use it for too bad it crashed in many different ways every 20 minutes or so c depends on many many things 6 this card is the greatest thing since sliced bread a i like it b well pc magazine seems to think it is c yes this appears to be true d as to greatest thing since sliced bread i doubt it better cards are coming out who knows maybe ati will come out with something faster yet several reviews i read rated one pycon winjet card as a superior performer at a cheaper price except for availability of drivers which pycon was developing at that time pc magazine about two months or so back overall the card has a lot of potential but you have to be able to use it that is the end of the questions these were the most discussed items in this group so i thought they needed confirmation for those of you not familiar with the card i have included a summary here from an ati ad since i dont have an graphics ultra yet ati graphics ultra plus accelerated 1024x768 at 65k colours true colour 16 7m at 800x600 multimedia video acceleration for indeo video rle and video 1 compressed stretch full motion video windows to full size fast vga includes 3 button mouse isa versions only anti aliased fonts ed avail in 16 colour mode only i think real time pan and zoom across large virtual windows desktop around a 1 2 length card size priced from 400 u s ati graphics ultra pro everything in graphics ultra plus faster performance with vrams accelerated 1280x1024 at 256 colours 74hz non interlaced available in isa eisa and microchannel priced from 600 u s ati technologies 416 756 0718 i hope this summary can be of use to you al p s i am not associated with ati technologies in any way other than having used their previous ati ultra card for a few years which i generally liked alan walford eos systems inc vancouver b c canada tel 604 734 8655 aew eosvcr wimsey bc ca or uunet wimsey bc ca eosvcr aew baseball re yankees win home opener in article 93105 124117rvesterm vma cc nd edu rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes in article 1993apr14 175545 3528 alleg edu millits yankee org sam millitello says im telling you sam three ls call up mom and ask bob vesterman yeah and in case even that isnt enough to prompt boy genius sam to pick up a paper and see how his name is spelled heres another hint the single l comes between the two i s charles cars re top 10 reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired in article 1993apr6 194738 20021 magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes blah blah blah ok if you are so right name a few good examples that were brought up lets create a new group rec autos cr is right no its not yes it is oh yeah my father can lick your father eliot cars re 86 acura integra 5 speed i have a 1986 acura integra 5 speed with 95 000 miles on it it is positively the worst car i have ever owned i had an 83 prelude that had 160k miles on it when i sold it and it was still going strong this is with religious attention to maintenance such as oil changes etc both cars were driven in exactly the same manner 1 it has gone through two clutches which are underrated 2 3 sets of tires really eats tires in the front even with careful align 3 all struts started leaking about 25 30k miles 4 windshield wiper motor burned up service note on this one 5 seek stop working on radio about 20k miles 6 two timing belts 7 constant error signals from computer 8 and finally a rod bearing went out on the no 1 piston seriously damaging the crankshaft contaminating the engine etc when the overhaul was done last week it required new crankshaft one new cam shaft has two because the camshaft shattered when they tried to mill it the camshaft took 4 weeks to get because it is on national back order everything on the engine is unique to the 1986 year they went to a new design in 87 parts are very expensive no way would i ever buy another acura it is highly overrated guns re 2nd amendment dead good oh christ here we go again im actually going to assume that this was a serious posting fool that i am in article 1993apr18 001319 2340 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes yea there are millions of cases where yoy say that firearms deter criminals alas this is not provable i think that that there are actually few cases where this is so and i suppose i should just take your word for it did you ever think that many people who use firearms to protect themselves might not admit to it because of the ridiculous laws which exist forbidding concealed carry the bulk of firarems are used against unworthy and unnesessary opponents those who posessa a cool jakcet you want those who would argue with you about a parking space those who would take your woman in short trivial and worthless causes i already own a cool jacket i ride a bicycle to work and park it behind my desk and if my woman decides to go with someone else id be disappointed but killing her new suitor will probably not endear her to me any more than before frankly ive never met a woman worth killing for anyway now an ar 15 with a chrome barrel thats worth killing for too much of this has ruined you cause there is no recovery in the near future federal martials will come for your arms no one will help you you are more dangerous to their thinking than the criminal this is your own fault does this pinhead know something the rest of us dont im not too worried about federal martials coming to get my guns the government cant seem to keep violent criminals in jail since they dont have enough prison space and the legal system is over burdened anyway where are they going to put all the millions of gun owners who wont fork over their weapons maybe youd like to volunteer the services of your humble abode since you obviously feel sooooo strongly about this the 2nd amendment is dead accept this find another way your argument has been rendered useless accept this find another newsgroup lee gaucher nra my opinions gaucher sam cchem berkeley edu no one elses baseball re lets play the name game in article 1993apr20 035607 26095 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes how about changing team names post your choices minnesota lumberjacks thought of bunyons as in paul not sore feet or babes as in big blue ox seattle rainiers i think this was considered by the new ownership harkening back to aaa glory days and placating at least one local brewer kent dietz twins in 93 mariners sometime this century baseball re phills vs pirates in article 1993apr16 163712 2466 vfl paramax com edd gvlf4 a gvl unisys com ed dougherty writes as a philly fan as as a penna baseball fan im anxious to see the penna series anyone know when it starts and where the first games will be played this is i think always good baseball to me and the pirates are also off to a good start ed doc when is it did you say well let me shell out here and run this handy dandy program mlb m pit phi and the answer is monday 5 10 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm tuesday 5 11 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm wednesday 5 12 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm friday 6 25 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm saturday 6 26 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 05 pm sunday 6 27 philadelphia at pittsburg 11 35 am friday 7 30 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 35 pm saturday 7 31 pittsburg at philadelphia 5 05 pm sunday 8 1 pittsburg at philadelphia 11 35 am monday 9 27 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm tuesday 9 28 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm wednesday 9 29 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm thursday 9 30 philadelphia at pittsburg 5 35 pm this is a great little program its available at an ftp site near you unfortunatly i dont recall which one any schedule question you got is answered with this little gem many thanks to the author for providing this service baseball info on j t snow im sure all of you have heard of the extraordiary start by rookie j t snow of the california angeles other than the fact that his father was a star receiver with the l a rams and is now a radio personality in los angeles and j t came from the yankees organization i dont know much about j t if anyone has info and background on the young fenom please post by the way for those of you not following his exploits he has hit four home runs in three days two last night he has also delivered the winning hit a couple of times for the angeles in this young season thanks michael from usc windows microsoft bbs number hi can anyone tell me what microsoft bbs number is i tried the one that is given on the dos 6 upgrade manual but that number never answered the call thanks please email windows re can i change licensed to data in windows 3 1 rmohns vax clarku edu writes this is in relation to a question concerning changing the registered to information of ms windows in a previous article 2a42dubinski vms csd mu edu wrote ahh yes this is a fun topic no once the name is incribed on the disk that is it it is encoded not even a hex editor will find it you can write over the licensed to but you cant change the name underneth it i i can find it with a hex editor although i have not tried to overwrite it are you sure it cant be you may be mistaken about this rob rmohns vax clarku edu on a similar note has anyone found out a way to do this with ms foxpro for windows my setup ini file was modified on disk 1 all encrypted well of course i forgot about microsofts stupid arrangement when i got the software and used my name it was paid for by the company im doing consulting for when my job is done its their software any ideas before i start doing dumb things to a copy of that file mattias ps no i dont want to pirate this software i just want to avoid having to buy a new copy in order to change the registration information and then having a copy lying around i dont use maybe i can get a new disk 1 mattias hembruch my views do not necessarily reflect those of the tse e mail mhembruc tse com baseball re rbis was notes on jays indians in article 1993apr15 212014 1782 news acns nwu edu edo casbah acns nwu edu edward ouellette writes me too rbi are a worthless stat of course so is stolen bases because sometimes runners are in front of a player that would otherwise run and of course pitchers pitch differently with different people on different bases so batting average slugging and obp out too hmmm i guess homers would not count then either my point rbi might not be a perfect stat but nothing is and no stat or lack of can tell me there are no clutch hitters maybe no stat can tell me either but some people are i just know it 8 but why would you want to use rbi rbi is an attempt to measure is some combination of clutch hitting and power hitting if you believe in clutch hitting then look at how the guy hit with risp if you want to see how good of a slugger he is then look at his slugging average in terms of evaluating players rbi totals are better than nothing but why use them when so many better stats are out there david frohardt lane dfl math wayne edu go tigers lions pistons red wings and wolverines windows re some info the dos msw meltdown is progressing nicely bruce dubbs bdubbs cs tamu edu wrote another comment at least you have ibm consultants trying to help ive never heard of microsoft sending customer engineers to a clients organization to help solve problems could be wrong but if they do its not common knowledge microsoft has a division called microsoft consulting that does what ibm fes field engineers do however neither company just up and sends consultants to client sites both companies charge very high hourly rates for on site consulting unless the client has already paid an annual service contract barton wright molecular simulations inc voice 617 229 9800 bwright msi com burlington ma 01803 5297 fax 617 229 9899 medicine re schatzki ring pvcs in article 1993apr27 180334 betsy gsfc nasa gov ohandley betsy gsfc nasa gov wrote summarized a person with a schatzkis ring a membrane partially blocking the espphagus has worsening dysphagia difficulty swallowing and the doctor proposes dilation by balloow or bougie using an inflatable balloon to rupture the ring or a rubber hose to push through it question is balloon dilation safe common and indicated it sounds pretty invasive end summary yes this is a common and safe procedure the majority of schatzkis rings described by x ray however wnd up being due to inflammation instead of the congenital schatzkis ring occassionally a cancer masquerades as a ring you should have the endoscopy to see if it is due to the heartburn and if so you will need treatment for the heartburn ong term the balloon dilation is an alternative to cutting open your chest and cutting out a section of the esophagus so dilation is not at all invasive considering the alternative the second issue summarized he has had extra heartbeats for the past 3 to 4 years and once was symptomatic from them with some lightheadedness he is young 30 ish thin and in good health recent bloodtests were all normal and do not smoke use drugs or caffeine etc im willing to accept the extra beats as normal but dont want to ignore them if they might be some kind of warning symptom the number of pvcs seems to increase throughout the day and with exercise or something as simple as climbing some stairs also if i get up after sitting or lying down for a while i tend to get a couple of extra beats could they possibly be related to the esophagous problems both seemed to develop at about the same time i not an expert on heart problems but pvcs are common and have been overtreated in the past my personal experience and i have the same history an build you do related to the heart that is is that my pvcs come and go with some months causing anxiety taking on more fluids seems to help and they seem worse in the summer remember that a slow heart rate will allow more pvcs to be apparent so perhaps it is an indication of a healthy cardiac system but ask an expert about that last point especially good luck hope we dont die of arrhythmias god what a happy thought steve holland medicine chelation therapy does anyone here know anything about chelation therapy using edta my uncle has emphesema and a doctor wants to try it on him we are wondering if 1 is there any evidence edta chelation therapy is beneficial for his condition or any condition 2 what possible side effects are there how can they be mimimized please respond via e mail to rme1 cornell edu thanks renee windows re winqvtnet with ndis on token ring in article 1993apr21 082152 liris tew kuleuven ac be wimvh liris tew kuleuven ac be wim van holder writes is it possible to use winqvt net on a machine that uses ndis to connect to a token ring i tried it with older versions 3 2 but got an invalid packet class error or something the like how are you attempting to do that are you using the dis pkt9 program this provides a packet driver on top of the ndis driver thomas beagle thomas datamark co nz work 64 4 233 8186 o technical writer thomas cavebbs welly gen nz home 64 4 499 3832 wellington nz hound for hire will work for dog biscuits guns re text of white house announcement and q as on clipper chip encryption though i agree this is not the place to discuss guns i note in passing that a number of gun apologists seem to have ignored the words well regulated in their distorted interpretations of the second amendment david david sternlight great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of our information errors and omissions excepted windows wallpaper in windows 3 1 hi there is there any utility available that will make windows randomly select one of your windows directorys bmp files as the wallpaper file nate nathan c crowell dept of materials science acrl worcester polytechnic institute e mail bigal wpi wpi edu a flower genesis suppers ready cars mbenz 300 series vw passat my boss is interested in a new 300 series mercedes benz wagon does anyone have any testimonial evidence and or strong opinions on this car or line particularly i would like to hear about power manual t only reliability feel and any unusually good or bad features of the line she currently drives a vw passat and is being plagued by its electrical problems the dealer claims there is nothing wrong even though the doors have a habit of locking and unlocking them selves while you are driving down the road the automatic shoulder restraints also like to move back and forth as you move along she does not have the new larger engine and is quite dissatisfied with its lack of power the mb wagon would have to have more power and no peculiar problems such as the passats electrical system she is also considering a saab 9000 add some letters any comparisons between the 9000 line and the mercedes would be helpful price is not an impediment jeremy j corry churchill claimed the traditions jcorry erasure sl cc emory edu of the navy are rum mutiny and sodomy my opinions are my own but i probably got them from someone else baseball re dopson pitches first shutout red sox win 6 0 in article c5r5vt 941 news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes jmann vineland pubs stratus com jim mann writes deleted someone told me this game started at 10 05 cdt is this true who in their right mind would go to a game on monday at 11am keep in mind this was in massachussetts today was patriots day a state holiday i think it might be a floating holiday but given that the marathon also happens the same day most people dont go in include std disclaimer h dan s medicine meaning of atheism agnosticism was krillean photography sci med removed from followups and i do not read any of the other newsgroups in article 1993apr30 170233 12510 rosevax rosemount com grante aquarius rosemount com grant edwards writes as a self proclaimed atheist my position is that i believe that there is no god i dont claim to have any proof i interpret the agnostic position as having no beliefs about gods existence thats fine these words have multiple meanings as a self proclaimed atheist i believe that some conceptions of god are inconsistent or in conflict with fact and i lack belief in other conceptions of god merely because there is no reason for me to believe in these i usually use the word agnostic to mean someone who believes that the existence of a god is unknown inherently unknowable note that this is a positive belief that is quite different from not believing in a god i do not believe in a god but i also do not believe the agnostic claim russell guns re threatening gun owners in article 7178 blue cis pitt edu gswst cislabs pitt edu gary s wachs writes hello im writing a story on the future of gun control there are a few points i would welcome your opinion on its wonderful having a resource like this newsgroup to take advantage of and i thank you in advance for your feedback 1 what do you believe are the most serious threats to gun owners in the future the government liberals batf fbi dea etc see 1 2 are you concerned that the 2nd ammendment could be reinterpreted to apply to the armed forces only barring civilians from owning arms of any kind well contributions taxes abortion elimination of fetal tissue clinton president faggot spouse it could happen 3 if you did have control over what types of arms people would be allowed to buy which types would you feel compelled to restrict to military uses only ie bazooka m16 grenade atomic bomb etc hydrogen bomb perhaps 4 would you describe hci and all other gun control activists as being determined to make it illegal for a civilian to own or use a firearm yep 5 have you personally read the brady bill in its entirety yep thank again gary lance w bledsoe lwb im4u cs utexas edu 512 258 0112 ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free cars re opel owners by the way what do people think about the opel calibra windows re challenge to microsoft supporters yamanari hey isnt it funny how betas have bugs in them hey do me a favor and dont put up stupid posts bob clarkson university potsdam ny campbers craft clarkson edu baseball re how to speed up games marginally realistic in article c5she2 lkf ucdavis edu ez027993 chip ucdavis edu gary built like villanueva huckabay writes you want to speed up ballgames 3 mandate a rule permitting only n seconds between pitches the current rule is too lenient and then enforce it fifteen seconds is more than enough time if the pitch isnt released in 15 call it a ball and restart the clock i remember a post from last year indicating that a pitch clock was tried in one of the minor leagues some time back and did not work i dont remember why they said that it did not work anyone remember this jody mcdonnel on wip in phil has been saying that a pitch clock was inevitable how would a pitch clock work on throws to first another pair of suggestions 1 remove the balk rule it is the runners responsibility to stay safe no matter what the pitcher does 2 if a pitcher throws to an occupied base more than x time x 3 to 5 without successfully picking off the runner the runner advances a base as if walked the no balk seems to give the pitcher the advantage the base walk allows the runner to challenge pitcher to throw over to the base baseball games take about 2 51 in the nl and just a shade under 3 hours in the al thats just too damn long i dont like to play in 3 hour games much less watch a game for that long my butt falls asleep and if im watching on tv ill channel surf between pitches catching colorized versions of mr ed leave it to beaver and those wacky nieporents on nick at nite i too find myself surfing when i know that it will be enough time between each pitch to allow the batter to adjust his jewlery gary huckabay you think thats loud enough a hole movie rights well if youre having trouble hearing it sir available thru id be happy to turn it up for you i didnt ted frank know that many people your age liked kings x david madden guns re criminals machineguns in article 93104 175256u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes people are getting killed by gang violence every day every single day i hear about more people getting killed by gang violence and see some of the weapons that are being confiscated is kratz claiming that he can reliably visually distinguish an m 16 from an ar 15 that he can see the difference between a semi auto and a full auto uzi that he can see the difference between the various versions some full auto some semi auto only of the m 11 9 if so id love to hear the details if only because theyll demonstrate that kratz is blowing smoke considering that one can design a gun so that it looks just like another gun yet have very different properties and that thats quite common most kids in my neighborhood were quite young when they figured out that my parents car wasnt much like richard pettys even though it looked just like it except for the paint job things must have been different with kratz sure its on tv but why does that make a difference no it doesnt but thats irrelevant if visual inspection of the outside worked tv would be acceptable but since it doesnt the fact that its just as good as seeing in person doesnt mean much andy gave kratz a chance to back down on this in private baseball spring records the orioles pitching staff again is having a fine exhibition season four shutouts low team era well i havent gotten any baseball news since march 14 but anyways could they contend yes could they win it all maybe but for all those fans of teams with bad spring records remember earl weavers first law of baseball from his book on managing no one gives a damn in july if you lost a game in march btw anyone have any idea on the contenders for the os fifth starter its pretty much set that sutcliffe mussina mcdonald and rhodes are the first four in the rotation here at johns hopkins university where the mascot is the blue jay their baseball team logo was the toronto clubs logo now its a anatomically correct blue jay god cant they think of an original idea its even in the same pose as the baltimore oriole on the os hats how many people realize that the bird is really called a baltimore oriole admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu committee for the liberation and intergration of terrifying organisms and their rehabilitation into society from red dwarf polymorph the bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed this sig has been brought to you by frungy the sport of kings guns re rewording the second amendment ideas in article viking 735378520 ponderous cc iastate edu viking iastate edu dan sorenson writes dfo vttoulu tko vtt fi foxvog douglas writes you believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of mass destruction i find it hard to believe that you would support a neighbors right to keep nuclear weapons biological weapons and nerve gas on his her property that really depends upon where you draw the line while defining these weapons this means you would support a ban if it were narrow enough good and also on if you intend the law to be reflective of modern practice five months or five centuries down the road i would hope so lets define a nuclear weapon as an explosive weapon whose majority of energy comes from fission and or fusion of atomic nuclei lets define a biological weapon as live organisms or viruses in such state quantity and with such a vector that they could cause death or serious disease further defined to a significant number of people if released in a city similarly populated area resevoir or cropland nerve gas and mustard gas are well defined other poisonous gasses should be individually banned only if it can be shown that there is no use not related to weaponry licenses should be available for research purposes on such chemicals i am not a lawyer but these ideas could certainly be a basis for definitions ill give you a little hint see that manure pile in the farmers field down the road in the usa that is a weapon of mass destruction nope it is not considered a weapon biological in nature because if it gets washed into an open well it will contaminate the aquifers that supply thousands of cities with drinking water so where do you draw the line in the usa the epa has ruled that a pile of scrap iron is illegal care to draw a thinner line this time it is not defined as a weapon of mass destruction many things are banned for other reasons dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them doug foxvog douglas foxvog vtt fi guns more propaganda just saw on cnn that the independent team that examined the waco fire and reported that it was started inside by the bds is now under question the attoneys for the bds are claiming that its not an impartial team for the team leader is the wife of one of the batf agents ha the goverment continues with its propaganda this is not a secure line daniel r oldham oldham heron icd ab com medicine re ob gyn residency reply to geb cs pitt edu gordon banks i believe it is illegal for a residency to discriminate against fmgs is that true i know some that wont even interview fmgs i think a case could be made that this is discriminatory particularly if an applicant had good board scores and recommendations but wasnt offered an interview but i dont know if it has ever gone to court david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell guns re waco shootout highlights total irresponsibility of the in a previous article irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine says come on guys looks like its time to move that juvenile public post either to e mail or to a different newsgroup alt sex bondage holly silva no brent that would be alt sex bondage holly silva goofy anti semite if you were smarter youd have these opinions windows workgroup questions conven ram and licensing i would be very appreciative if someone would answer a few questions about windows for workgroups i currently have novell netware lite which does not work with windows very well and is a conventional memory hog ver 1 1 i am considering moving all our machines to w4wg q1 how much conventional ram does w4wg use over and above the driver for the network card q2 if i have a novell ne2000 card are the lsl and ipx drivers still needed q3 does w4wg do a license check over the network to ensure each machine is running its own licenced copy of w4wg note i do not want to break the license agreement and i will buy a copy of w4wg for each of our machines it is just that i would like to try it out first to see if it meets our needs returning one opened copy is much easier than returning n opened copies q4 if you buy the upgrade to windows 3 1 for w4wg does it replace all of win 3 1 as you install it or does it depend on current win 3 1 files q5 if i install windows nt on my server when it comes out will i have any troubles with the w4wg machines when i started this message i was going to ask only 2 questions but i got carried away ill stop now i look forward to your replies al alan walford eos systems inc vancouver b c canada tel 604 734 8655 aew eosvcr wimsey bc ca or uunet wimsey bc ca eosvcr aew baseball re relative value of players kime mongoose torolab ibm com edward kim writes it is doubtful that the blue jays would have won the al east without morris last year when the team went 13 15 for the month of august and all the other starters were being shelled and milwaukee was making a charge morris went 5 1 with a pretty good era i cant remember exactly also lets not underestimate the importance his 240 innings to save the bullpen every fifth day if he didnt help us win the al east forget about the pennent and the world series his run support was high 5 98 runs but so was stottlemyers 5 90 runs and he won only 12 games i do remember morris winning an inordinate number of 6 5 and 8 6 ballgames but this is to his credit he pitched only as good as he needed to be when he was up 6 1 in a ballgame he just put it in cruise control and threw the ball up there and let the batters get themseleves out i hate this expression an inexperienced pitcher would wear himself out trying to make perfect pitches to keep his era down but morris being a veteran pitcher knows that winning is the only thing that really matters in baseball by saving himself he was able to reach back for that little extra i hate this too when the game was on the line i dont buy this at all i think things are colored to a very large degree of preconceived notions of who the players involved are try this exercise xxx is pitching today his team scores 4 in the first inning and 3 in the fourth xxx gives up 0 in the 1st through 4th in the fifth he gives up 3 runs in the 6th he gives up 2 more the score is now 7 5 with xxxs team still on top i contend that if xxx were jack morris the assessment would be he is a gutty veteran who pitches only as well as he has to to win if xxx were mike trmbley the assessment would be he is an inexperienced rookie who doesnt know how to pitch needs more seasoning send him to aaa or to the spice rack john franjione department of chemical engineering university of colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu windows screen snapshot is there a way i can save a snapshot of my screen to a file under windows similar to the way one can press cmd shift 3 on a mac please email rather than posting thanks dave fisher fisher lyra hac com guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article c5tngt 224 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article 1r21vqinneb8 clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes in article c5spov lre news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes in article 1r0qsrinnc61 clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes in article c5s0ds j54 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes i agree that they deserved a trial they had more than 40 days to come out and get their trial they chose to keep the children with them and to stay inside they chose to stay inside even after they were tear gassed i do not find these actions rational even noriega was smart enough to give up and go for the trial he deserved mr roby you are a government sucking heartless bastard unworthy of comment but apparently true my opinion only of course so your opinion is truth i see still mastering the language eh notice the use of apparently humans died yesterday humans who would not have died if the fbi had not taken the actions they did that is the undeniable truth i cried for them nor would they have died if they had come out with their hands empty that is undeniable truth no it is not it is possible the fbi planned for this to happen and the gunfire heard was the fbi keeping the folks inside im not proposing this as the way it went down but just to point out that its not undeniable that if they walked out yesterday they would be alive today you can believe that if you wish it is undeniable however that people have left the compound unharmed and alive earier in the standoff and since their leader was preaching that they would have an apocalypse you can not say undeniably that there wouldnt have been a mass suicide if the fbi had simply stayed outside and waited another 51 days im not denying that at all but every day is another chance for a good ending why push it mr roby you are going to die anyway why not today every moment of life is precious my heart bleeds just as much as yours for the children who were never released given 51 days of ample opportunities to do so my heart also bleeds for people so blinded by religious devotion to not have the common sense to leave the compound when tanks came up and started dropping in tear gas early in the morning my heart bleeds for no one you are the bleeding heart and im sure beyond any possible doubt that you do not feel for those people as i do you can not say the heartless things you have said if you did i am the heartless bleeding heart you are not making sense no you are the heartless bleeding heart a flaming liberal who cares deeply who feels your pain you seem to have no concern that someone would keep children inside this compound when they had 51 days to let them out that sounds pretty heartless to me you have continually raised this issue without any understanding of the bonds between parent and child it is not easy to say a final goodbye to your children i do not think i could do it either if that makes me heartless so be it how many children do you have i have three i just heard on the news that some of the survivors regret they hadnt stayed in the inferno to prove their loyalty to koresh this makes me sad and sick it just makes me sad i never claimed koresh was an angel you seem to say they got what they deserved i do not think this however if they did set the fire which started in more than one place and spread very quickly then they got what they wanted and put into motion themselves they got what they wanted what kind of creature are you that you can believe this have you ever heard of jonestown the sad thing is the people inside the compound were the authority worshipers and their only authority was koresh howell if these people were able to think for themselves there would likely be a lot more survivors today koresh preached a fiery apocalypse as early as last year i made the same authority worshiper point about you a few lines back and once again jonestown however sick it was was doing ok until the authorities showed up and pushed a fragile person over the edge a bull in a china shop i see the batf is going to be investigated by the justice dept and likely by arlen spectre and congress this is good they have bungled the affair from the start we agree on this now lets have your god the fbi investigated too by all means the fbi should be investigated too btw i thought the second ammendment was god nope the constitution in total is for me if you think the rkba is all im about you misjudge me jim jmd handheld com jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 baseball re my 93 picks with only one comment in article 12786 news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes in article 1psbg8inngjj master cs rose hulman edu rickert nextwork rose hulman edu john h rickert writes in article jfr2 733938351 ra msstate edu jfr2 ra msstate edu jackie f russell writes psg pitt edu paul s galvanek writes national league west cincinnati houston 5 0 atlanta 8 0 argh here is where you are obviously dead wrong not since the yankees of the 20s and 30s has a team been so nicely setup as this years and years to come braves i dont think that the all star team will be able this may be an appropriate comparison the 1929 31 yankees finshed 2nd 3rd and 2nd finshing 18 16 and 13 1 2 games out of first in 1933 34 and 35 they also finished second though they were only 7 7 and 3 games out even great teams can lose thats why they play the season on the other hand im still picking the braves to go all the way um surely you didnt intend to compare the 93 reds with the 29 philidelphia as the yankees were finishing 2nd to a team that was as good as the 26 28 yankees while the yankees had aged some from their peak years ruth and gehrig couldnt play every position simultaneously imo given the various ages of the braves and reds this season that the braves will be closer to their peak while the reds have slightly passed their peak also if youre going to compare braves and yankees a more appropriate comparison to the 93 braves might be the 23 yankees after falling short two years in a row in exciting world series both teams won will win the series this year despite the heroics of some old fart on the other team casey stengel dave winfield perhaps so i was only responding to the yankees of the 20s and 30s part of the comment if those teams were a sure thing and lost then its probably not so unreasonable for someone to pick another team not that i did john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu go brewers baseball re how to speed up games marginally realistic in article 9304202040 pn27738 ll mit edu ejb ll mit edu ed baranoski writes in article 1993apr20 181245 11319 vfl paramax com davidm gvls2 vfl paramax com david madden writes another pair of suggestions 1 remove the balk rule it is the runners responsibility to stay safe no matter what the pitcher does quite honestly this one is ridiculous consider the following scenario runner on third as the pitcher starts to throw home the runner takes off for home and the batter squares around to bunt for the suicide squeeze the pitcher seeing this does not throw home but stops in mid action and puts the runner in a run down it is the balk rule that prevents this from happening believe it or not this actually happened to me once in an oba ontario baseball association game in milton ontario i was the batter and to my amazement the umpire missed it in the 12 years that i played ball this was worst piece of umpiring i ever saw pablo iglesias pi ruth ece jhu edu cars re manual shift bigots as a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the us while here in europe they are rare just wondering john kissane motorola ireland ltd o o uucp uunet motcid glas kissanej mahon industrial estate internet kissanej glas rtsg mot com blackrock cork ireland u baseball re jack morris franjion spot colorado edu john franjione writes valentine no im not going to be cordial roger maynard is a complete and total dickhead send me e mail if you insist on details in fact hes a complete and total dickhead on at least 2 newsgroups this one and rec sport hockey since hockey season is almost over hes back to being a dickhead in r s bb i was in fact going to suggest that roger take his way of discussion over to r s football pro there this kind of hormone only reasoning is the standard being he canadian and hockey what it is i would have suggested that r s h would work too it is important in a thread that everyone involved use the same body part to produce a post brain being the organ of choice here g bonvicini bonvicin cernvm cern ch windows re does dos6 defragment in article 1993apr6 040254 8443 cs brown edu ksl engin1 nosubdomain nodomain kiseok lee writes from ksl engin1 nosubdomain nodomain kiseok lee subject re does dos6 defragment date tue 6 apr 1993 04 02 54 gmt in article c51h9m 46p news cso uiuc edu rhc52134 uxa cso uiuc edu richard writes geoffrey s elbo writes yes and it is the fastest defrag ive ever watched it did a 170mb hard disk in 20 minutes i found the ms defrag looks very much like norton speedisk is it just a strip down version of the later i have both norton speedisk and backup so i was wondering if i need to install ms backup richard yes defragger is come from norton if you have norton utility dont bother dont bother if you have cpbackup or fastback they all offer options not available in the stripped down ms version from cps examples no proprietary format to save space probably no direct dma access and no tape drive you need ms defrag if you use doublespace to work on the compressed volume medicine re my new diet it works great in article 1993apr5 191712 7543 inmet camb inmet com mazur bluefin camb inmet com beth mazur writes in 1993apr03 1 6627 omen uucp caf omen uucp chuck forsberg wa7kgx writes gordon your experience is valid for many but not all the fact that you know a few people who have been overweight and are now stable at a lower normal or just less weight does not contradict the observation that only 5 10 per cent can maintain ideal weight with current technology actually the observation is that only 5 10 of those who seek help from your so called diet evangelists can maintain their weight i happen to agree with keith lynch that there are many people who can and do lose weight on their own and who are not reflected in the dismal failure rate that is often quoted wasnt there a study where a researcher asked a more general population perhaps some part of a university community about weight loss and he she found that a much higher percentage had lost and maintained in fact adiposity 101 mentions a similar study search for life events in any recent version of adiposity 101 the problem with anecdotal reports about individuals who have lost weight and kept it off is that we dont know what caused the weight gain in the first place this is critical because someone who gains weight because of something temporary drug effect life event etc may appear successful at dieting when the weight loss was really the result of reversing the temporary condition that caused the weight gain chuck forsberg wa7kgx tektronix reed omen caf author of ymodem zmodem professional yam zcomm and dsz omen technology inc the high reliability software 17505 v nw sauvie is rd portland or 97231 503 621 3406 medicine re frozen shoulder and lawn mowing in article 1993apr23 213823 11738 ux1 cts eiu edu cfaks ux1 cts eiu edu alice sanders writes ihave had a frozen shoulder for over a year or about a year it is still partially frozen and i am still in physical therapy every week but the pain has subsided almost completely until last week when i mowed the lawn for twenty minutes each two days in a row i have a push type power mower the pain started back up a little bit for the first time in quite a while and i used ice and medicine again can anybody explain why this particular activity which does not seem to stress me very much generally should cause this shoulder problem you need to use your shoulder muscles to push the mower if you havent been doing much exercise as i suppose you havent then a constant 20 minute long effort can cause stiffness and cramps philippe religion re cybele and transgender sexualism in article 260493115730 raven aims unc edu fhunt med unc edu freb hunt writes is there some relation between the name cybele and the phenemenon of the sibyl your paragraph above seems to indicate there might be the oed gives the etymology of sibyl as coming from the ancient greek sigma iota beta upsilon lambda lambda alpha s i b ih l l a which is claimed to come from the doric sigma iota omicron beta upsilon lambda lambda alpha s i o b ih l l a which if i read it properly in turn came from the attican athenian theta epsilon omicron beta omicron upsilon lambda eta th eh o b o ih l ae i dont know much about attis but it wouldnt surprise me to learn that this god was tied to the athenian capital alpha tau tau iota kappa upsilon sigma a t t i k u s the oed does not list any etymology for cybele since that is a propper noun but i suggest that the greek spelling of that word would be much closer to the anticedants of sibyl than the two words are now perhaps cybele is a french or latin spelling guns fbi is not stupid hello i just want to make 2 points 1 the fbi is not stupid these people are chosen for their intelligence education loyalty to the government etc they are given much intensive training so to all of you who refuse to believe there could be any conspiracy here and say that the fbi was just stupid i say i dont believe it 2 the fbi has acces to the latest in audio and video technology the latest digital systems the fbi can manufacture evidence need a tape of koresh saying light the fire and you can have one need a thermal imaging video of three people lighting fires and through the magic of computer graphics you can have one the thing is manufacturing these pieces of evidence takes time so it may be a few more days before we get to see them or maybe we just havent heard any tapes or seen any fbi video is because it is 1 classified 2 too gruesome for our eyes 3 lost got coffee spilled on it dwayne jacques fontenot btw i get my information from live video feeds i read the papers too but almost everything in them contradicts what i have seen with my own eyes guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article c5ycou m5b cbnewse cb att com random cbnewse cb att com david l pope wrote from article 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu by ive yet to meet a group of baptists who were stockpiling cambells soup and m 16s ar 15s and banging marrying thirteen yuear sic olds so out of the numerous baptists that you hang around with you havent seen any of the above behavior which trait stocking food for more than a week or owning a firearm is the definition of a cult what proof aside from davids aquittal leads you to believe that any banging marrying of thirteen year olds was going on does your wife know that you equate marriage with banging sic oh youre really bright as if nobody would have understood it was a typo several parents with children who either had at one time or currently were inside the compound made the aforementioned charges one parent actually spoke about said charges in reference to his 13 year old daughter with koresh on the phone you missed my point entirely youre a sorry son of a bitch if you cant draw a distinction between these two things since this guy doesnt like the concept of freedom of religion hes going to insult you and your mom since youre unable to formulate a cogent response you make a lame joke people like you cheapen our constitution by using it to defend sociopaths who arent deserved of it get a life and chill on the paranoia sociopath person with asocial or antisocial beahavior sociopaths 200 persons all who cant stand other people sharing the same ranch house anti social normally meaning a response against societal norms stealing is sociopathic behavior its not an oxymoron to have a group of sociopaths i guess youre not a psychologist oh well joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu it all suddenly becomes clear maybe you should get an education my man why does everyone discover the net in the spring why wont some assholes use a sig so i can send them mail instead of wasting bandwidth random joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu medicine re need advice with doctor patient relationship problem reply to mcovingt aisun3 ai uga edu michael covington sounds as though his hearts in the right place but he is not adept at expressing it what you received was meant to be a profound apology apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that the guy didnt sound too shy to me he sounded like a jerk i say ditch him for someone more knowledgeable and empathetic david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell windows re does dos6 defragment in article 1993apr5 060929 7806 seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes well the subject saysit all does dos 6 do defragmentation yes both dblspaced and non dblspaced drives can be defragmented i believe they use nortons speedisk brian t mcgloin lift your glasses friend with mine ncr corp and raise your hand with me usg iss ols im england stole im ireland spent miamisburg oh 45342 im an outlawed rapparee guns re gun control proud to be a canuck does anyone really believe the swiss have had no war within their borders because every adult male owns a rifle im a great admirer of the swiss but 500 years of peace on their turf has zilch to do with gun ownership can you picture hitler with panzers and focke wulfs poised on the border losing sleep over a few thousand expert rifleman sure hitler stayed out of switzerland because the swiss run the money in this world wed do well to emulate them on that and forget about getting more rifles on the street lets disband the nra and start a national investment banking association replete with red and black sticker for the back window of bubbas mercedes 600 we could fire charlton heston and get paul volcker for a spokesman religion revised easy to read bom available i am pleased to announce that a revised version of the easy to read book of mormon former title mormons book by lynn matthews anderson is now available through anonymous ftp see information below in addition to the change in title the revised etr bom has been shortened by several pages eliminating many extraneous thats and ofs and many minor errors have been corrected this release includes a simplified joseph smith story testimonies of the three and eight witnesses and a words to know glossary as with the previous announcement readers are reminded that this is a not for profit endeavor this is a copyrighted work but people are welcome to make verbatim copies for personal use people can recuperate the actual costs of printing paper copy center charges but may not charge anything for their time in making copies or in any way realize a profit from the use of this book see the permissions notice in the book itself for the precise terms negotiations are currently underway with a mormon publisher vis a vis the printing and distribution of bound books sorry im out of the wire bound first editions i will make another announcement about the availability of printed copies once everything has been worked out ftp information connect via anonymous ftp to carnot itc cmu edu then cd pub you wont see anything at all until you do the easy to read book of mormon is currently available in postscript and rtf rich text format ascii latex and other versions can be made available contact dba andrew cmu edu for details you should be able to print the postscript file on any postscript printer such as an apple laserwriter let dba know if you have any difficulties the postscript in the last release had problems on some printers this time it should work better rtf is a standard document interchange format that can be read in by a number of word processors including microsoft word for both the macintosh and windows if you dont have a postscript printer you may be able to use the rtf file to print out a copy of the book r r r 1 dba 1984742 apr 27 13 12 etrbom ps r r r 1 dba 1209071 apr 27 13 13 etrbom rtf for more information about how this project came about please refer to my article in the current issue of sunstone entitled delighting in plainness issues surrounding a simple modern english book of mormon send all inquiries and comments to lynn matthews anderson 5806 hampton street pittsburgh pa 15206 dba lynn cs cmu edu guns re your evil tax dollars at work was re atf burns ranch etc etc in article 93112 230800mbs110 psuvm psu edu mark mark sachs mbs110 psuvm psu edu writes in article 93112 153005mgb slacvm slac stanford edu mgb slacvm slac stanford edu says from a p according to numerous accounts by those in the compound the fire was started by an armoured vehicle crushing a large propane tank and turning over numerous gas lanterns oh then why did the smoke and flames start from three different places in particular three different places where there were no apvs and just where is the evidence for this fbi sayso the texas medical examiner refuted 2 of their lies today and if the government did start the fire then why werent people trying to get out of the compound let me put you in a building pump in cs knock the walls down around you and see how fast you find an exit and besides oh i dont know why im even bothering i dont know why either youre willing to swallow everything fed you good boy i find it tremendously chilling that so many people seem willing to accept the governments story despite much evidence to the contrary i find it tremendously chilling that so many people seem eager to believe a murderous heavily armed religious cult despite much evidence to the contrary thought experiment suppose this exact same thing happened under the bush administration what would your answer be then would you still prefer to believe the cultists oh a clinton apologist why didnt you say so no i dont really expect a response to that challenge but then again that is how mr clinton was elected by people who believe that his campaign promisses would be respected by him once he got into office um isnt that how all politicians are elected if people will believe that of any politican it is little wonder they will believe all of the factoids being given out as fact by the clinton reno fbi batf confederation so is there any particular reason the gummint decided to slaughter eighty people are they like just plain evil or what did they just wake up one day stretch and yawn and throw a dart at a map of the united states to figure out who to oppress that day im eager to know the kgbatf was expecting a quick victory while the cameras rolled however they were the only ones with a script and does bill clinton have cooler theme music than darth vader how is he on diabolical laughter does he look good in a cape these things must be investigated you first hey youre the apologist you tell us so i propose that we destroy the moon neatly solving that problem your blood pressure just went up mark sachs is mbs110 psuvm psu edu disclaimer if psu knew i had opinions theyd try to charge me for them wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu i speak for myself only clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema religion re o t o clarification 930420 do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law the word of sin is restriction kent sandvik newton apple com writes sorry the san jose based rosicrucian order is called a m o r c i dont remember for the time being what the a m stand for but o r c is ordo rosae crucis in other words latin for order of the rose cross response yes very true the entire title is the ancient and mystical order rosae crucis they are located at 1342 naglee avenue san jose california 95191 0001 usa they are considered different and largely unrelated by a number of sources ive seen documentation which links them through the figure of h spencer lewis lewis was apparently involved with reuss who was the o h o of ordo templi orientis for many years apparently it is also true that lewis had a charter to form an o t o body and then created a m o r c as a subsidiary an interesting question kent otherwise their headquarters in san jose has a pretty decent metaphysical bookstore if any of you are interested in such books and my son loves to run around in their egyptian museum response indeed and diagonally across the street is another metaphysical book store called ram metaphysical wherein ive purchased some wonderful works by crowley and others ram metaphysical books 1749 park ave san jose ca 408 294 2651 invoke me under my stars love is the law love under will i am i frater i nigris dclxvi cccxxxiii cars re ford and the automobile rwong eis calstate edu russel wong writes hello my name is russell wong and i am doing a research project on henry ford and his automobile i need information on whether ford is partially responsible for all of the car accidents ya he cut me off on 128 the other day he drives like a crazy person id have to say hes responsible for most accidents they really should pull his licence steve 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 alan kulwicki 1992 winston cup champion 1954 1993 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1qkkodinn5f5 jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo a iglesias writes in article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes hank greenberg would have to be the most famous because his jewish faith actually affected his play missing late season or was it world series games because of yom kippur kofax missed world series game because of the jewish day of repentence cars re ad said nissan altima best seller in article 1r0vk6innaft cronkite central sun com dbernard clesun central sun com writes i too was puzzled by this obvious untruth what i think is going on is that nissan claims that the altima is the best selling new car namelplate in the us i think i have this near verbatim lee iaccocas statistics dept would have been proud of that sentence note that the corolla prism are also new designs but hey are not new nameplates i guess nissan doesnt even sell as many altimas as toyota does corollas or there would be no nameplate qualifier but waiiiiiit isnt nissan officially registering the car as far as government paperwork goes nissan stanza altima to avoid costly and lengthy paperwork i read this on the net a while ago and someone actually may have said theres a little stanza logo on the altima somewhere you can have it both ways spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology delco electronics 317 451 0815 gm hughes electronics kokomo in 46904 i post therefore i armm windows protection fault hi i was wondering if anyone out there could help me i have an error message that goes what does it mean i am running ms windows 3 1 thanks in advance cars re mgbs and the real world in article 1qlg02 iu6 uniwa uwa oz au scott psy uwa oz au scott fisher writes have you driven a turbo converted mx5 now they are starting to perform ive often thought a mazda rotary would go well in the xm5 too anyone done it no but somebodys dropped a ford 302 v 8 into the miata somewhat reminiscent of the shelby cobra the cars obviously not as nimble as before but its supposed to have a near 50 50 weight distribution and handle very well id sure love to drive one teddy cars re lexus and infiniti in article issa 735601408 cwis issa cwis unomaha edu issa el hazin writes dont the numbers in the car names above refair to the engine size in liters i e ls400 4 0litre engine sc300 3 0 liter sport coupe and q45 4 5liter similar kinda to bmw and mb nameing deal issa funny i thought the numbering scheme for both lexus and infiniti was related to sticker price more than anything else i e infiniti g20 around 20k q45 around 45k lexus es250 rip around 25k lexus es300 around 30k etc is there a conspiracy theory there spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology delco electronics 317 451 0815 gm hughes electronics kokomo in 46904 i post therefore i armm cars re most bang for between 13 000 and 16 000 in article 33759 oasys dt navy mil tobias oasys dt navy mil steve tobias writes in rec autos cpkjp vm cc latech edu kevin parker writes id like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the 13000 to 16 000 price range im looking for a car with enough civility to be driven every day or even on long trips but when i hit the gas i want to feel some acceleration handling is important also as are reliability and pretty low maintenance costs a stylish appearance is nice but i dont want a car that is all show and not much go even though many of the imports are fast i dont really want a turbo and i never have cared for the song sung by a four clyinder id prefer a v6 or v8 for the engine if you have any suggestions kevin parker theres only one car that really fits your needs its spelled 5 0 liter mustang not sorry he said cvility long trips reliability and low maintenance cost windows re challenge to microsoft supporters brian grier bjgrier bnr ca wrote so to most of the computer users in the world ms product symbolize quality ms has made their life easier and more productive and to them that is quality they do not care about what innovative things ms has done other than to make their life with a computer one heck of a lot easier you may know better than most computer users in this world but that will not change their perception excuse me are you one of those people who enjoy working w win come talk to a house mate of mine and tell him how productive his life is when he encountered yet another sudden appearence of the dos prompt while cutting and pasting in win or an empty win screen without any tasks running i e esc brings up an empty list progman has done it again leo theres klingons on the starboard bow leo mekenkamp scrape em off jim klikspaanweg 53 6 2324 lz leiden the netherlands 071 323476 mekenkamp stpc wi leidenuniv nl leo sthp wi leidenuniv nl windows re re challenge to microsoft supporters in article c6vd0q e2s uceng uc edu bferrell moth occ uc edu brett ferrell writes in article 1993may10 211745 5856 microsoft com jimfr microsoft com jim francis writes i know for a fact that the only reason many companies wrote os 2 apps was because ibm paid them for it id write an app for the ti 99 4a if ti paid me in advance to do it ibm can only pay so many people for so many apps once that stops so does the development software companies don t stay in business writing apps that wont generate revenue the fact that ibm was paying them for it allowed them to do it and stay in business how many apps are selling ask wordperfect borland lotus how much revenue they are getting from sales and if they plan on writing more apps you may be suprised by the answer i wont i would get into microsoft practices but the thread would go on for every you do have an interesting point that i wont dispute now but pray tell if you know for a fact anything why dont you provided some insight into your source do you think that will accept it for fact maybe i would if you gave your word even if he says he knows for a fact what more do you have to gain if he gives his word do you think hes lying right now but cmon it would appear that you are employed by the competition you should expect to asked about your sources and just give them up front or not make the claim brett d sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng uc edu anyway how about this i give you my word without naming sources that ibm paid companies to write applications for os 2 satisfied mike guns re my gun is like my american express card thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes i dont remember the figures exactly but there were about 3500 deaths in texas in 1991 that was caused by guns this is more than those beeing killed in car accidents yes there could be that low sentences or high poverty could influence the figures but theyre still pretty high right i also believe texas has some of the most liberal gun laws in usa in texas you cannot carry a handgun period either concealed or open and your numbers are misleading they include suicides and accidents the real number from the department of public safety murders non neg hom car fatalities 1991 2651 3079 1992 2240 3057 texas only has liberal gun laws as far as purchasing a firearm aside from that its probably more restrictive than most states as far as carry goes one state dont remember which texas tried to impose a rule that you could only buy one gun each month think you all know what happened the state was virginia and the law passed i respect the right to defend yourself but that right should not inflict on other people that right only inflicts on those who threaten my rights to life liberty the pursuit of happiness etc in the first place i am not a criminal and i dont indiscriminately fire my weapons at random so please explain how i am inflicting anything on other people this is not a signature its merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith and to bring down the evil internet thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no aaron arc cco caltech edu windows re smartdrv and dblspace in article rcaldrn 737739966 epistat rcaldrn med miami edu richard calderon writes i just received a gateway 486 33 with windows and dos 6 0 i ran it a few times with no apparent problems i decided to give double space a try after compressing the drive with no problems i decided to load windows it took 1 minute 45 seconds to load after dblspace 17 seconds before dblspace i tinkered a little with the machine and noticed an error message saying smartdrive 4 0 cannot work with dblspace the reason for the change from smartdrv exe 4 0 included with windows 3 1 to smartdrv exe 4 1 included with dos 6 0 is compatability with dblspace be sure you are running smartdrv from your dos directory medicine candida yeast bloom fact or fiction i can not believe the way this thread on candida yeast has progressed steve dyer and i have been exchanging words over the same topic in sci med nutrition when he displayed his typical reserve and attacked a women poster for being treated by a liscenced physician for a disease that did not exist calling this physician a quack was reprehensible steve and i see that you and some of the others are doing it here as well let me tell you who the quacks really are these are the physicans who have no idea how the human body interacts with its environment and how that balance can be altered by diet and antibiotics these are the physicians who dismiss their patients with difficult symptomatology and make them go from doctor to doctor to find relief like elaine in sci med nutrition and then when they find one that solves their problem the rest start yelling quack could it just be professional jealousy i couldnt help elaine or jon but somebody else did could they know more than me no way they must be a quack ive been teaching a human nutrition course for medical students for over ten years now and guess who the most receptive students are those that were raised on farms and saw first hand the effect of diet on the health of their farm animals and those students who had made a dramatic diet change prior to entering medical school switched to the vegan diet typically this is about 1 3 of my class of 90 students those not interested in nutrition either tune me out or just stop coming to class thats okay because i know that some of what im teaching is going to stick and there will be at least a few enlightened physicians practicing in the u s its really too bad that most u s medical schools dont cover nutrition because if they did candida would not be viewed as a non disease by so many in the medical profession in animal husbandry an animal is reinnoculated with good bacteria after antibiotics are stopped medicine has decided that since humans do not have a ruminant stomach no such reinnoculation with good bacteria is needed after coming off a braod spectrum antibiotic humans have all kinds of different organisms living in the gi system mouth stomach small and large intestine sinuses vagina and on the skin these are nonpathogenic because they do not cause disease in people unless the immune system is compromised they are also called nonpathogens because unlike the pathogenic organisms that cause human disease they do not produce toxins as they live out their merry existence in and on our body but any of these organisms will be considered pathogenic if it manages to take up residence within the body a poor mucus membrane barrier can let this happen and vitamin a is mainly responsible for setting up this barrier steve got real upset with elaines doctor because he was using anti fungals and vitamin a for her gi problems if steve really understoood what vitamin a does in the body he would not or at least should not be calling elaines doctor a quack here is a brief primer on yeast yeast infections as they are commonly called are not truely caused by yeasts the most common organism responsible for this type of infection is candida albicans or monilia which is actually a yeast like fungus an infection caused by this organism is called candidiasis candidiasis is a very rare occurance because like an e coli infection it requires that the host immune system be severly depressed candida is frequently found on the skin and all of the mucous membranes of normal healthy people and it rarely becomes a problem unless some predisposing factor is present such as a high blood glucose level diabetes or an oral course of antibiotics has been used in diabetics their secretions contain much higher amounts of glucose candida unlike bacteria is very limited in its food fuel selection without glucose it can not grow it just barely survives if it gets access to a lot of glucose it blooms and over rides the other organisms living with it in the sinuses gi tract or vagina in diabetics skin lesions can also foster a good bloom site for these little buggers the bloom is usually just a minor irritant in most people but some people do really develop a bad inflammatory process at the mucus membrane or skin bloom site whether this is an allergic like reaction to the candida or not isnt certain when the bloom is in the vagina or on the skin it can be easliy seen and some doctors do then try to treat it if its internal only symptoms can be used and these symptoms are pretty nondiscript candida is kept in check in most people by the normal bacterial flora in the sinuses the gi tract mouth stomach and intestines and in the vaginal tract which compete with it for food the human immune system ususally does not bother itself with these nonpathogenic organisms unless they broach the mucus membrane barrier if they do an inflammatory response will be set up most americans are not getting enough vitamin a from their diets about 30 of all americans die with less vitamin a than they were born with u s autopsy studies while this low level of vitamin a does not cause pathology blindness it does impair the mucus membrane barrier system this would then be a predisposing factor for a strong inflammatory response after a candida bloom while diabetics can suffer from a candida bloom the most common cause of this type of bloom is the use of broad spectrum antibiotics which knock down many different kinds of bacteria in the body and remove the main competition for candida as far as food is concerned while drugs are available to handle candida many patients find that their doctor will not use them unless there is evidence of a systemic infection the toxicity of the anti fungal drugs does warrant some caution but if the gi or sinus inflammation is suspected to be candida and recent use of a broad spectrum antibiotic is the smoking gun then anti fungal use should be approrpriate just as the anti fungal creams are an appropriate treatment for recurring vaginal yeast infections in spite of what mr steve dyer says but even in patients being given the anti fungals the irritation caused by the excessive candida bloom in the sinus gi tract or the vagina tends to return after drug treatment is discontinued unless the underlying cause of the problem is addressed lack of a good bacterial flora in the body and or poor mucus membrane barrier lactobacillus acidophilus is the most effective therapy for candida overgrowth from its name it is an acid loving organism and it sets up an acidic condition were it grows candida can not grow very well in an acidic environment in the vagina l acidophilius is the predominate bacteria unless you are hit with broad spectrum antibiotics in the gi system the ano rectal region seems to be a particularly good reservoir for candida and the use of pantyhose by many women creates a very favorable environment around the rectum for transfer through moisture and humidity of candida to the vaginal tract one of the most effctive ways to minimmize this transfer is to wear undyed cotton underwear if the bloom occurs in the anal area the burning swelling pain and even blood discharge make many patients think that they have hemorroids if the bloom manages to move further up the gi tract very diffuse symptomatology occurs abdominal discomfort and blood in the stool this positive stool for occult blood is what sent elaine to her family doctor in the first place after extensive testing he told her that there was nothing wrong but her gut still hurt on to another doctor and so on richard kaplan has told me throiugh e mail that he considers occult blood tests in stool specimens to be a waste of time and money because of the very large number of false positives candida blooms guys if my gut hurt me on a constant basis i would want it fixed yes its nice to know that i dont have colon cancer but what then is causing my distress when i finally find a doctor who treats me and gets me 90 better steve dyer calls him a quack candida prefers a slightly alkaline environment while bacteria tend to prefer a slightly acidic environment the vagina becomes alkaline during a womans period and this is often when candida blooms in the vagina vinegar and water douches are the best way of dealing with vaginal problems many women have also gotten relief from the introduction of lactobacillus directly into the vaginal tract i would want to be sure of the purity of the product before trying this my wife had this vagina problem after going on birth control pills and searched for over a year until she found a gynocologist who solved the problem rather than just writting scripts for anti fungal creams this was a woman gynocologist who had had the same problem recurring vaginal yeast infections this m d did some digging and came up with an acetic acid and l acidophilis douche which she used in your office to keep it sterile after three treatments sex returned to our marraige i have often wondered what an m d with chronic gi distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his patients is a non existent syndrome the nonpathogenic bacteria l acidophilus is an acid producing bacteria which is the most common bacteria found in the vaginal tract of healthy women if taken orally it can also become a major bacteria in the gut through aresol sprays it has also been used to innoculate the sinus membranes but before this innoculation occurs the mucus membrane barrier system needs to be strengthened this is accomplished by vitamin a vitamin c and some of the b complex vitamins diet surveys repeatedly show that americans are not getting enough b6 and folate these are probably the segement of the population that will have the greatest problem with this non existent disorder candida blooms after antibiotic therapy some of the above material was obtained from natural healing by mark bricklin published by rodale press as well as notes from my human nutrition course i will be posting a discussion of vitamin a sometime in the future along with reference citings to point out the extremely important role that vitamin a plays in the mucus membrane defense system in the body and why vitamin a should be effective in dealing with candida blooms another effective dietary treatment is to restrict carbohydrate intake during the treatment phase this is especially important if the gi system is involved if candida can not get glucose its not going to out grow the bacteria and you then give bacteria which can use amino acids and fatty acids for energy a chance to take over and keep the candida in check once carbohydrate is returned to the gut if steve and some of the other nay sayers want to jump all over this post fine i jumped all over steve in sci med nutrition because he verbably accosted a poster who was seeking advice about her doctors use of vitamin a and anti fungals for a candida bloom in her gut people seeking advice from newsnet should not be treated this way those of us giving of our time and knowledge can slug it out to our hearts content if you saved your venom for me steve and left the helpless posters who are timidly seeking help alone i wouldnt have a problem with your behavior martin banschbach ph d professor of biochemistry and chairman department of biochemistry and microbiology osu college of osteopathic medicine 1111 west 17th st tulsa ok 74107 without discourse there is no remembering without remembering there is no learning without learning there is only ignorance cars re 300zx or sc300 in article 1993apr19 000758 53229 ns1 cc lehigh edu ip02 ns1 cc lehigh edu danny phornprapha writes im getting a car in the near future ive narrow it down to 300zx and sc300 which might be a better choice having driven both and having owned an sc300 for 14 months now all i can say is it depends theyre both great cars in fact my wife and i are saving our pennies so we can get her the 300zx convertible in a year the 300zx handles like a dream while the sc300 rides like a dream fit and finish on both are excellent but the lexus gets the nod in customer satisfaction theyre both very attractive and hideously expensive the resale value of the sc is better than the zx the 300zx isnt available with traction control which makes it a handful on slippery surfaces jim battan sequent computer systems beaverton or battan sequent com or uunet sequent battan 1 503 578 5129 medicine selective placebo k king reasoning com dick king writes k k rr ron roth rose com ron roth wrote k rr otoh who are we kidding the new england medical journal in 1984 k rr ran the heading ninety percent of diseases are not treatable by k rr drugs or surgery which has been echoed by several other reports k rr no wonder mds are not amused with alternative medicine since k rr the 20 magic of the placebo effect would award alternative k rr practitioners twice the success rate of conventional medicine k k 1 90 of diseases is not the same thing as 90 of patients k k in a world with one curable disease that strikes 100 people and nine k incurable diseases which strikes one person each medical science will cure k 91 of the patients and report that 90 of diseases have no therapy k k 2 a disease would be counted among the 90 untreatable if nothing better than k a placebo were known of course mds are ethically bound to not knowingly k dispense placebos k k dk hmmm even without the at the end i didnt think anyone was going to take the mathematics or statistics of my post seriously i only hope that you had the same thing in mind with your post otherwise you would need at least two s at the end to help anyone understand your calculations above ron rosereader 2 00 p003228 this mind intentionally left blank rosemail 2 10 usenet rose media hamilton 416 575 5363 cars re locking lugnuts tire rebalance in article 1993apr22 145940 1 skcla monsanto com mas skcla monsanto com writes if you put a locking lugnut on your tires do you need to have your tires rebalanced john mas e mail address mas skcla monsanto com well it depends on what kind of locking lugnuts you have my previous car had locking lugnuts that weighed about 2 5oz more than the others the locking lugnuts were factory equipment and according to the factory service manual after tire balancing the technician mechanic was supposed to put a 1 2 oz counterweight on the rim opposite the locking nut i always had vibration problems with those stupid lugnuts since no one ever did the service correctly i eventually got rid of the locking lugnuts and replaced them with the standard lugnuts unfortunately i found out about the counterweighting technique 6 months after i got rid of the locking nuts my present car a saturn sc has locking lugnuts that i bought at the dealer and are made specifically for the saturn they have been made to be exactly the same weight as the non locking lugnuts said so on the package and i verified it myself i havent had any vibration problems with the tires at all due to the nuts in 12 000 of ownership i did have some other vibration problems but it was due to a poor job of tire balancing tom windows windows nt und x windows i am not sure whether i am here in the right area but does anybody here know whether windows nt does will include a x windows server so that it can run x window applications remotely this is because we are considering at our university to use pcs for word processing and program development whereas the bigger jobs are to be run either on sun workstations or on fujitsu super computers thank you very much in advance hein eurom free multiline unix bbs home of the fsag frankfurt main germany data 49 69 6312934 religion part 1 and part 2 re homosexuality tony i read your post it was nothing new i had seen much the same in other typical christian anti gay sentimental literature gay people are and will con tinue to be persecuted as long as such propaganda petpetuates you may be unaware of all the statistica findings concerning african americans that have been published and used by various groups to re enforce their own bias against african americans we usually think of the kkk in these instances but there are many other groups of course the vast majority of the public scoff at such findings and documents today but that was not always the case fortunately african americans had whites who supported their cause and public sentiment was eventually if not entirely turned around there was even a civil war and anti negro sentiment increased in fact until laws were put in place to protect the inalienable rights of blacks it was pretty much legal to discriminate against them i know many gays and i will not turn my back on them or their right to be free form discrimination you may think that i have been deceived or something that is your perogative my church christian church disciples of christ openly affirms the rights of oppressed people of all segments of society including gays we believe the gospel message of preaching to all creation and making disciples we believe in the lords great commandment to love and we beleive in standing up for the oppressed even if it is not popular to do so i really like my church for last reason the most i can find a church almost anywhere in the valley that stands for the gospel and believes in the commandment of love though im hard pressed to find many who actually sho love but not many are willing to champion the oppressed especially within their own community i may have lost face with the greater christian community for the unpopularity of my beliefs but so did the abolitionists against the oppression of african americans many were even killed and treated as runaway slaves for being nigger lovers and such i guess ive decided the challenge is worth it in my talks with gay men and women i have heard tragic story after tragic story centering around failed marriages wives and husbands who are straight who have been hurt in the process etc funny thing is i dont know of one case where the parents ex wives or even children have continued to reject their gay family member son daughter ex husband father etc after they began to take part in some form of support group like pflag im apalled by the legislation which passed in colorado and am equally out0 raged that such slimey people as louis sheldon from the tradition values coalition have been actively working in the christian underground to garner support within several 8 i believe states this coming november for more oppressive legisation against gays perhaps you dont get it and maybe you never will many didnt get it in the middle ages and the proclaimed gods will be done as they massacred thousands in witch hunts and inquisitions the message that comes through loud and clear by proponents against gay rights and against gays in general is that there is a strong dislike even hatred for gays whether you want to call it such or not it doesnt change the results the major flaw in all this posturing is that in the end the final effect of posts like that of yours and mr hudson is that you have a conditional love for gays condition change and well love you this is sure strange coming from a group who claim that god has an unconditional love one that calls people just as they are sure there are things that will naturally change and habits like alcoholism wife beating etc that need to be changed through some sort of therapy but then there are things like left handedness etc that no amount of beating it out of people is going to result in anything more than an outward conforminty to other peoples expectations in the process this coerced conformity causes many people a great deal of harm especially when it is caused by people who have nothing more to gain from it that to become even more puffed up about their own sense of pseuper spirituality this is sad but i thoroughly believe that one day it will change it may be unpopular to cry for justice and equality when the basis has to do with something very personal like sexuality a taboo subject even today but i firmly believe in the rights of individuals to be free from impose regulation on thier bedrooms its funny that most straight people have successfully removed restrictive and oppressive legislation against invasive legislation but we like to maintain this little chestnut of repression as though it helps us maintain a sense of superiority over at least one segment of society gay people are not criminals another interesting thing happened recently a very prominent charismatic church in the silicon valley here had two of its pastors arrested for self admitted charges of pederasty men having sex with boys this had apparently been going on for some time a couple years but since the charges were voluntary and the church worked closely with the police so i imagine that was how they managed to downplay it in the media how could such a thing happen when the church itself has an ex gay ministry one of my friends recently told me he was approached by someone who is going through the reparitive therapy there and he was thoroughly convinced that the request for dinner was not an invitation to attend the ministry these are difficult times we live in but providing hostile environments and creating and perpetuating an atmosphere that breed hate and violence is not the call of the christian community the results of the passing amendment in colorado has created an organization whos posters are appearing all over colorado called s t r a i g h t i forget the whole definition off hand but the last part was against immoral gross homosexual trash and their motto is working for a fag free america with an implicit advocation for violence this is sick and it seems to be what you and mr hudson and others are embracing we christians have a loooooooooong tradition of coersion and oppression towards those we feel dont measure up and constant beratement from organizations like the christian research institute while they do have a good purpose also their major work seems to be finding new and better ways of excluding people the gospel i believe is not so negative rather it seeks ways to include people i have several of dr martins books and find them quite helpful especially concerning cults but it seems that cri has become a cult unto itself why dont we just stick to the positive and find ways to bring people to jesus istead of taking bullwhips and driving them away whatever rich cars re are bmws worth the price in article 1993apr5 135153 11132 wdl loral com gwm spl1 spl loral com gary w mahan writes road and track 2 88 bmw325is 0 60 7 5s 1 4 mile 15 7s road test annual 1993 0 60 8 3s 1 4 mile 16 2s those are the numbers i was quoting i have driven the older model but not the newer sure sounds like they got a ringer the 325is i drove was definitely faster than that if you want to quote numbers my aw autofile shows 0 60 in 7 4 1 4 mile in 15 9 it quotes car and drivers figures of 6 9 and 15 3 oh btw these numbers are for the 325i i dont know how the addition of variable valve timing for 1993 affects it but dont take my word for it go drive it teddy medicine ethics regarding placebo homeopathic medicines i would like to know if their is any medical consensus or consensus within this group regarding the ethics of the following 1 prescription of placebo medications when the patient did not specifically request any sort of treatment 2 selling a placebo medication for a profit 3 prescribing homeopathic remedies without advising a patient of their controversial nature 4 representing homeopathic remedies as over the counter medications thanks nick ingegneri windows re how can i use the mouse in non windows applications under ms windows in article 1993apr22 153959 12328 ucsu colorado edu gonzaled ucsu colorado edu lgv mc writes one addition to this i dont know if it applies to everybody for my microsoft 400dpi mouse to work with windowed dos apps i had to use the driver that came with windows version 8 20 8 1 didnt allow me to do it for some reason for logitech rodents use the lmouse driver that comes with windows also you need to be using a video driver that supports use of the mouse both the vga and supervga that come with windows 3 1 will support it both of these are 16 color drivers if youre lucky the manufacturer of your video card might have a driver that is compatable and will support a mouse steve stephen guerke coord computer resources sguerke brahms udel edu university of delaware parallel program stephen guerke mvs udel edu georgetown de 19947 ilv20078 udelvm udel edu guns re denver post classifieds no assault weapons eesnyder boulder colorado edu eric e snyder writes i came across the following notice in the denver post classified secctio this morning april 26 1993 begin quote notice the denver post will no longer knowingly accept any advertisement to buy or sell assault weapons the denver post finds that the use of assault weapons poses a threat to the health safety and security of its reader end quote now i suppose the post is within its rights to refuse such ads however the second sentence is so noxious i feel compelled to bring it to the attention of the t p g c g readership i called the post classified number 825 2525 and expressed my displeas re according to the supervisor i spoke to the post was reacting to public complaints regarding the running of assult weapon ads however she sai the paper was keeping track of the reaction to the change in policy i strongly encourage denver post readers to call and make their feelings k own eric e snyder department of mcd biology making feet for childrens sho s university of colorado boulder boulder colorado 80309 0347 will do i appreciate the thoughtfullness of the post to not be an intermediary for such sales the right to bear arms is one of the most misapplied rights in our constitution and assault weapons go way beyond what is or rather should be imho a natural right in america just ask the family of that boy shot back in september the papers are full of stories about a child with an assult weapon with a angelic face post who committed the murder without ever thinking this has all got to get under control i applaud the post for their bravery jim trascapoulos jtrascap nyx cs du edu so what size id do you wear religion on line copy of book of mormon can anyone provide me a ftp site where i can obtain a online version of the book of mormon please email the internet address if possible william h moore advanced decision systems division of booz allen hamilton software engineer 1500 plymouth street net wmoore ads com mountain view ca 94043 1230 415 960 7553 cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article 24485 drutx att com klf druwa att com franklinkl writes in article c5hhgm 1rm constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article 1993apr13 215605 26252 slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com dan day writes in article 1q4466innb85 ctron news ctron com smith ctron com writes its a big aftermarket business almost no cars come from the factory with vynal any more and any fake convertible job definitely came from some aftermarket place what amazes me is how much people are willing to pay for bad taste how about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the trunk or side or both sides of some tacky luxury cars some of em arent fake if youre talking about the continental kit named after the lincoln continental the first car to sport one i personally would love to have a 56 t bird with a continental kit and the supercharged v 8 that is one of the most beautiful cars ever built imho james the continental may have been the first modern era auto to mount the spare on the rear of the car but it was hardly the first car to sport one various mounting techniques for rear mounting the spare were quite common in early automobiles both us and foreign the 1941 lincoln continental was the first car to sport the continental kit the continental kit is not to be confused with ye olde outside mounting bracket a continental kit is a very specific ornament storage compartment the 1941 continental has a neat trunk it looks rather like a laundry hamper imho james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven baseball re fenway hi does anybody know the for ticket info for fenway less than 40 people 617 267 1700 40 or more 617 262 1915 steve baseball re young catchers in article mssc52ril 8e0 netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes your speculation and others that lopez will produce better than the two proven veterans is nothing more than speculation no matter how well founded your speculation that the two proven veterans will produce better than lopez is also no more than speculation it does make a difference whether the speculation is well founded or not obviously the braves believe they can win with the catching they have and i agree if they change their minds theyll call up lopez though this is a good point the one speculation is safer because it can be reversed cheers valentine cars re ranger vs s 10 opinions if your buying a compact pickup do yourself a favor and wait a few months for the 1994 gmc sonoma magazines are saying it is day and night over the current truck its georgeous solid and fast 200hp vortec 4 3 v 6 should whip the ranger in every area too accept maybe payload and always pick a gmc over a chevy gmcs are always so much better looking man i miss the comanche marty and matt owings 87 250 ninja type rider dudes its a feeling that we all wanna know and its an obsession to some to keep the world in you rearview mirror while you try to run down the sun wheels by rhestless heart windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article mekenkamp 6 737653432 stpc wi leidenuniv nl mekenkamp stpc wi leidenuniv nl leo mekenkamp writes brian grier bjgrier bnr ca wrote so to most of the computer users in the world ms product symbolize quality ms has made their life easier and more productive and to them that is quality they do not care about what innovative things ms has done other than to make their life with a computer one heck of a lot easier you may know better than most computer users in this world but that will not change their perception excuse me are you one of those people who enjoy working w win come talk to a house mate of mine and tell him how productive his life is when he encountered yet another sudden appearence of the dos prompt while cutting and pasting in win or an empty win screen without any tasks running i e esc brings up an empty list progman has done it again leo theres klingons on the starboard bow leo mekenkamp scrape em off jim klikspaanweg 53 6 2324 lz leiden the netherlands 071 323476 mekenkamp stpc wi leidenuniv nl leo sthp wi leidenuniv nl been messin roun progman ini have ye im gessing youve been tuning the system thats the only way i can remember getting a blank screen from ctrl esc when one of the progman ini parameters was twinked to 0 or 3 cant remember ive never seen win 3 do something like that on her own captain tal medicine re net address for who in article 1993apr24 162351 4408 mintaka lcs mit edu elg silver lcs mit edu elizabeth glaser writes i am looking for the email address of the world health organization in particular the address for the department of nursing or the chief scientist for nursing dr miriam hirschfeld the snail mail address i have is the following world health organization 20 avenue appia 1211 geneva 27 switzerland the domain address of the who is who arcom ch so try sending email to postmaster who arcom ch josh backon vms huji ac il please respond directly to me thank you for your assistance elg elizabeth glaser rn elg silver lcs mit edu windows local windows vs shared windows discussion i would like to see a serious discussion on the best way to install windows from a novell administrators point of view i just got off the phone with ms access support and was told that they microsoft has decided to implement as a standard for software support the local setup described below as the most advantageous installation if this is true and microsoft deems this to be the most prudent installation then i will comply but id like to hear it from administrators first the local windows installation windows is fully installed on each workstation hard drive assuming the resources are available from a network administrators implementation he she would install all windows disks on a network drive using setup a then install windows on a per machine bases by running setup off the network to install the complete system on the local drives in this way all drivers are available to the setup procedure w o the need to change disks advantages reduce traffic running windows locally reduces network traffic due to the local access of main windows files network independence if the network fails and they all do at one point or another the local installation would allow users to keep producing and reduce the cost of down time faster windows theoretically windows will run faster from a local hard drive than over a network this may be a hard point to prove if the network has an optical backbone and or the network drives are significantly faster access than local ones a user traveling from machine to machine does not need to worry about varying setups monochrome color types of mouse etc since the windows installation is assigned to the workstation disadvantages cost installing windows locally requires a significant amount of disk space workstations now must be purchased with a hard disk that can increase the cost of the workstation from 10 to 30 percent administration local windows installations are very difficult to administer new drivers for peripherals are constantly being made available each of which would have to be individually installed on each workstation security users now have access to erase or corrupt their own system files from simple ignorance this could result in quite a headache for administrators who may have to constantly repair damaged installations backup we all know the problems backing up local hard disks the backup sets if done via a centralized tape system get very large very quickly backup individually to floppy may not happen at all this may be eliminated if it is assumed that local hard disks only contain replaceable applications and not user data the shared windows installation windows is fully installed to a network disk via the setup a procedure described above users or administrators then install a minimal set of files to individual user directories these directories may be on a local hard disk or perhaps a network home directory the bulk of the windows system files are maintained on the network in a single directory some 400 files and are accessed shared as needed by users throughout their windows session the users files consist of a small set of files that the user has updated during his her windows session these include group files ini files and other regularly updated files advantages a single location for all files makes updates to drives easy as an updated driver becomes available it only needs to be installed in this single directory for all users to be able to take advantage of it assuming that the users files are maintained in network home directories the administrator can easily edit any ini file as needed to correct problems that may arise this includes win ini and system ini backup of all pertinent files is done easily even if the users files are on a local hard disk the bulk of the windows system is backed up with all driver updates disadvantages network traffic since all windows files are being shared in a network directory traffic on the network can become a problem an effect the speed of windows if the network crashes all production comes to a stop since windows is reliant upon the network for its files loss of data usually occurs as well since users working in windows at the time of the crash will usually not be able to save their work although minimal disk space is still a consideration if the users files are maintained on the network a large number of users can cause a significant utilization of disk space due to their personal windows files alone users cannot easily move from machine to machine unless the workstation hardware are similar this is due to the windows installation being tied to a particular username in the case of network user files the discussion i would like to know from other administrators with a large windows userbase how they prefer setting up windows personally i have setup numerous installations using the shared setup all windows and application files are on the network with little or no utilization of local hard disks in fact i sold a network on the fact that the company would no longer need to purchase hard disks for their workstations and thus save that much more money i would also like to see recommendations for applications should apps such as word and or excel be installed locally regardless of how windows is installed again i keep all files on the network for easy backup and administration but this is putting all eggs in one basket if the network crashes work comes to a halt now i am sure microsoft and i know your out there has their own ideas about this and their insights would be of great value but i hope to hear from people with actual working experience with users and network administration guns re dealing with cults a few thoughts in article oaf 93apr21181038 klosters ai mit edu oaf zurich ai mit edu oded feingold writes look at history rep leo ryan and some staffers visited jonestown at the request of constituents who had relatives there once jonestown was discovered and even though they killed ryan and his entourage they all killed themselves because jim jones knew hed be busted the only way to prevent such a problem would be never to investigate reports of child abuse or sexual mistreatment or organizations buying full auto conversion kits or shipping hand grenades via ups on the off chance of stumbling across cults that would kill themselves so the only way the batf fbi could save those people and future cults is by ignoring such signs the paucity of this line of argument is that it is provably false texas state officials could and did investigate child abuse charges they could and did apprehend koresh peaceably the could and did impound his weapons for the duration and koresh was not convicted note that child abuse and similar accusations are state matters not federal the state could and did handle them properly and peaceably and furthermore violating no ones constitutional rights in the process so maybe the best way for batf fbi to save people is to mind their own fucking business cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars re station wagons was open letter to nissan in article 1993apr16 052013 23517 leland stanford edu tedebear leland stanford edu theodore chen writes but youll never catch me dead in a minivan even a minivan based on viper running gear hmmmm not sure since no such beast exists i can tell you another though you wont catch me dead in a gmc syclone or typhoon either 1000 bhp or not not even the fact that clint eastwood has one just my taste no rational reasons for it teddy p s i think the audi s4 gets a 4 2 liter v 8 next year car just tested the s4 wagon with 5 banger and 6 speed manual rave review except for servotronic audi is trying to recoup the development costs for the v8 and since the v8 is not selling well they are sticking it into the 100 series cars neat marketing trick eh yeah a 100 v8 32v wouldnt be a bad idea as competition for the upcoming bimmer 530 540i would it maybe they can use a 3 6 liter version to avoid conflicts with the v8 model then strip off all the luxo garbage let the s4 remain with the flared arches and fat tires to go fight with the m5 maybe turn up the boost a wee bit to bump bhp up to say 450 or so while keeping the 100 v8 with mercedes 500e style subtlety blah blah blah eliot medicine teenage acne my 14 y o son has the usual teenage spotty chin and greasy nose i bought him clearasil face wash and ointment i think that is probably enough along with the usual good diet however he is on at me to get some product called dalacin t which used to be a doctors prescription only treatment but is not available over the chemists counter i have asked a couple of pharmacists who say either his acne is not severe enough for dalacin t or that clearasil is ok i had the odd spots as a teenager nothing serious his father was the same so i dont figure his acne is going to escalate into something disfiguring but i know kids are senstitive about their appearance i am wary because a neighbours son had this wierd malady that was eventually put down to an overdose of vitamin a from acne treatment i want to help but with appropriate treatment my son also has some scaliness around the hairline on his scalp sort of teenage cradle cap any pointers advice on this we have tried a couple of anti dandruff shampoos and some of these are inclined to make the condition worse not better shall i bury the kid till hes 21 the floggings will continue until morale improves pchurch swell actrix gen nz pat churchill wellington new zealand guns re 43 to 1 all over again in article 1993apr21 175441 22582 iitmax iit edu draughn iitmax iit edu mark draughn writes followups to talk politics guns only in article 1qv87v 4j3 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article c5n3gi f8f ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge writes so a person who keeps a gun at home is 43 times more likely to die at home from a gunshot than he or she is likely to kill an intruder sounds like apples n oranges to me in any case has anybody tried to make the obvious counter study what are the numbers for someone who does not keep a gun at home that is what is the ratio of dying at home from a gunshot to killing an intruder for people who do not keep guns in their homes so what are is the ratio of unarmed people shot to death in their homes v s unarmed people who kill intruders is it worse than 6 to 1 inquiring minds want to know i dont know this specific ratio but i do have an earlier post that says a gun is 33 times more likely to defend someone including the times where the gun isnt fired just scares the perpetrator away than it is to kill someone including self defense the post is kind of long but ill be glad to dig it up and email it to anyone who asks doug holland doug holland anyone who tries to take away my freedom holland cs colostate edu of speech will have to pry it from my pgp key available by e mail cold dead lips baseball joe robbie stadium not for baseball did anyone notice the words not for baseball printed on the picture of joe robbie stadium in the opening day season preview section in usa today any reason given for this also i just noticed something looking at the nolan ryan timeline in the preview on 8 22 89 rickey henderson became nolans 5000th strikeout on 6 11 90 he pitched his 6th no hitter against oakland i believe the last out in the game was made by rickey henderson and on 5 1 91 nolan pitched his 7th no hitter on the same day a certain someone stole his 939th base which overshadowed it it seems that nolan is having a lot of publicity at rickeys expense imo rickey deserves it and it seems as most of the net agrees with me from what ive seen on it lately they are both great players but imo nolan has outclassed rickey both in playing and more importantly in attitude just my thoughts kevin windows telnet terminal for windows im looking for a good terminal program that will connect to tcp ip using windows some basic ms window that is connect to a unix host would be great any suggestions thanks peter kocks kocks chemistry stanford edu medicine re h e l p m e desperate with some vd i can probably buy the tools and this solution somewhere but i dont know how to do injection by myself you may also want to buy a self injector or something like that my friend is diabetic you load the hyperdermic put it in a plastic case and set a spring to automatically push the needle into the skin and depress the plunger live from new york its saturday night tonights special guest lawrence silverberg from the state university of new york albany aka ls8139 gemini albany edu windows re help with changing startup logo in article 735952415 aa01739 f 454 fidonet org c doelle p26 f3333 n106 z1 fidonet org c doelle writes hello brad monday april 26 1993 17 24 brad smalling wrote to crosspost 1 all bs since i dont know your setup bs copy b win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle win com bs i grabbed this from supercharging windows by judd robbins great book bs this is also how you can put your own logo into the windows startup brad what is the procedure used to specially compress the bmp file i would to a rle file love to use some of my bmp files i have created as a logo screen thanks chris origin chris doelle f3333 n106 z1 fidonet org 1 106 3333 26 i thought id reply to this though i aint brad at any case a lot of picture file viewers that will convert say between gif etc to bmp will convert to rle i know for a fact that paintshop shareware from cica desktop i think filename psvvv zip i think where vvv is the ver number if thats not true let me know and i ll post a corection this however will write your rle file with a bmp extension so you have to rename it now another thing this is from the windows faq your file has to be less than 64 k at least thats what the faq says but mine wont work for more than about 30 maybe they mend 32k i dont know your file has to fit vga size 480 860 or whatever standard vga size is if you use a non vga screen e g cga ega svga there is also a way to do it but i thing instead of vgalogo lgo you use another file such as cgalogo lgo egalogo lgo or something im not sure about this as i have a vga but im sure you could find it in the faq a windows help ver of which is available at cica but dont konw the filename also your bmp has to be 16 colours or less these specs rule out some of the good bmps i found cartoon drawings work quite well as they have the advantage of looking good with little memory finally remember to save your current win com before and put your new win com in the windows directory also dont start windows from a directory where another win com is present as that is used instead of the one in the windows dir and win wont start share this fairly but dont take a slice of my pie pf mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd medicine re modified sense of taste in cancer pt in article 1993apr21 134848 19017 peavax mlo dec com lunger helix enet dec com dave lunger writes what does a lack of taste of foods or a sense of taste that seems off when eating foods in someone who has cancer mean what are the possible causes of this why does it happen i cant answer most of your questions but ive seen it happen in family members who are being treated with radiation and or chemotherapy jory graham published a cookbook many years ago in cooperation with the american cancer society i think called something has to taste good as i recall the cookbook was just what we needed several times when favorite foods suddenly became yech kay klier biology dept uni cars re manual shift bigots kissane black berkeley edu john g kissane writes as a matter of interest does anyone know why autos are so popular in the us while here in europe they are rare just wondering many cars sold here in finland are small and cheap cars at least when compared to other cars note that we have over 120 car tax and you couldnt expect a good auto mated to a 1 3 l engine most of the bigger cars are however sold with autos cars re toyota wagons in article 1993apr5 213032 26844 pmafire inel gov russ pmafire inel gov russ brown writes in article 1pq6bl 9rj news ysu edu ak296 yfn ysu edu john r daker writes has anybody noticed that toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible ugly station wagons tercels corollas camrys have their designers no aesthetic sense at all the new camry wagon may just be even uglier than my tercel toyota has cornered the market on ugly station wagons after seeing the new camry sedan i had thought toyota would finally turn out something nice looking the new camry station wagon bears a strong resemblance to a hearse and a weird looking one at that teddy medicine modified sense of taste in cancer pt what does a lack of taste of foods or a sense of taste that seems off when eating foods in someone who has cancer mean what are the possible causes of this why does it happen pt has stage ii breast cancer and is taking tamoxifin also has stage iv lung cancer with known cna metastasis and is taking klonopin also had cranial radiation treatments thanks not a doctor but trying to understand family members illness windows win3 1 font with macrons greetings from green new zealand we are looking for a windows 3 1 font that will allow macrons a hypen over vowels in both upper and lower cases this is so we can use maori characters in windows applications thanks in advance stuart inglis email directly to tetaka waikato ac nz would be the prefered method of contact baseball re red sox mailing list query in article sfoixme00wb2qbulsk andrew cmu edu robert ward rw23 andrew cmu edu writes a friend in england is looking for a red sox mailing list if you know of such a list could you please send me mail with some info thank you bosox request world std com to mail to the list bosox world std com steve guns re some more about gun control in article c5l0n2 5ll ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge writes so the phrase the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed must either qualify or explain the phrase a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state stuff deleted since the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed does not describe modify or make less harsh anything and it has nothing to do with grammar or some sort of position or task by process of elimination it must fall into definition 3 and since 3 deals with legal power the same thing the constitution does it must be the correct definition in this case therefore the right of the people to keep and bear arms gives legal power to the well regualated militia and this legal power shall not be infringed ah clarification by obfuscation actually the words a well regulated milita being necessary to the security of a free state is a present participle used as an adjective to modify militia which is followed by the main clause of the sentence the subject being the right the verb shall it asserts that the right to keep and bear arms is essential for maintaining a milita the sentence doesnt restrict the right or state or imply possession of the right by anyone or anything other than the people all it does is make a positive statement regarding a right of the people the people as in you and me as in the first fourth ninth tenth as well as the second amendment the existence of this right is assumed it is not granted by the amendment there is no stated or implied condition relating the right to bear arms to the necessity of a well regulated militia to the security of a free state in other words the entire sentence says that the right to keep and bear arms is unconditional so in effort not to force my views and not to destory our liberties and rights i state that nothing i have written or will write in the matter of liberties and rights is the final word for i am only one person among many and the final word on liberties and rights cleary and irrevocably belongs to the many the final word on liberties and rights should not belong to the many that is why we have a constitution otherwise a tyrrany of the majority can ensue from popular opinion a concept which you should be familiar with from the federalist papers al standard disclaimer baseball re sandberg runs rbis was re notes on jays vs indians series in article c5jqby m7a news rich bnr ca bratt crchh7a9 nosubdomain nodomain john bratt writes rbis and runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics you can talk about obp and slg all you want but the fact remains the team that scores more runs wins the game flame away so what does that have to do with rbis the team with the most rbis doesnt necessarily win the game yes runs are the most important statistice for a team so why does every newspaper rank team offense by batting average but for an individual player runs and rbis are context dependent and tell us very little about the player himself and more about his teammates and position in the batting order ted frank thf2 kimbark uchicago edu im sorry the card says moops the u of c law school standard disclaimers cars improvements in automatic transmissions the biggest hurdle for automatics imho is not shifting speed per se but rather the transmissions reaction speed when you try to force it to shift manually this was the biggest fault with the subaru ecvt it took soooooo lonnnnnnnnggggg for the tranny to find the right ratio the sales propaganda says the saturn automatic is effectively an electronically shifted manual might this mean that saturn has conquered the problem i dunno only driven saturn 5 speeds input please another question any plans for a manual trans chrysler lh does anyone else out there fall asleep at night dreaming of this combo windows win nt what is it two part question 1 what is windows nt a real windows os 2 this past weekend a local hacker radio show metioned a new product from microsoft called chicago if i recall anyone know what this is that is it thanks a heap alan alan s olson swanson environmental inc e mail to alanchem csd4 csd uwm edu or alan alchemy chem uwm edu want some good music check out milwaukees own bodeans windows dos6 novell netware i friend of mine installed dos6 at work and is hooked up to a novell network running netware 386 v 3 11 the problem hes having is that the doublespace program is using drive h as the swap drive which is confliting with the networks mapped drives is there switch to place the swap drive to someother drive please e mail thanks a bunch mahbub cu826 cleveland freenet edu cars re thinking about buying intrepid good or bad idea i bought an intrepid about two months ago and am very happy with it lots of room inside and even with the smaller engine it has enough power for me the only problem i found was a small selection on the dealers lots they are hot sellers around here guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article dusek 735489223 shale dusek rtsg mot com james p dusek writes ccdarg dct ac uk alan greig writes or the cultists i think ill quote the bbc quoting actually voice interview one of the two british survivors he claimed that the fire started when the tanks caused an internal wooden wall roof to collapse knocking over kerosene lamps and that they had no suicide plan if the fbi started the fire why didn t people flee the burning building assuming the fire was caused by lanterns and stoves being knocked about by the tanks pushing on the walls would shake a building pretty good perhaps they didnt flee because fleeing would have meant entering the fire from the other side like they were surrounded by the fire and rubble which finally combined with teargas and combustion gasses overcame and enveloped them in other words they were trapped by the flames heat fumes and rubble does that sound plausable not as dramatic as korash forcing them to stay or shooting them no shot victims found yet but plausable pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 pat myrto seattle wa if all else fails try uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former albert einstien windows re dos 6 vfintd 386 and windows sys ini peter p lei lei rtsg mot com wrote does anyone know what the vfintd 386 device is used for in windows 3 1 its under the 386enh section as device c dos vfintd 386 i know norton desktop for windows includes this file and its help file mentioned something about floppy disk access jeroen j c a gremmen email jeroeng blade stack urc tue nl gildelaan 34 phone 04255 3411 no modem or fax pleez 5081 ph hilvarenbeek baseball bob knepper was damn right dont you guys think so i mean cmon what the heck are women doing even thinking of getting into baseball they cause so many problems just look at lisa olson remember that feisty reporter that entered the new england patriots locker room she started crying like a little girl i just dont think women belong in a mans sport before you smart guys flame me for this i know the given example was about football who cares it still applies to other male sports how can we have women umpires jeez look at pam postema just because shes a woman everybody on the face of the earth thinks its great that shes getting an opportunity to ump if you even watched the games and had an iq greater than that of roast beef youd see that she is not nearly as good as most aaa umpires besides she is probably more worried about cracking a fingernail with a foul tip off of wade boggs bat or jose oquendos bat either way there are too many complications austin jacobs bob knepper fan club member 12 guns re feds caught in another lie in article 1993apr23 120935 21848 icd ab com kdw icd ab com kenneth d whitehead writes well after 2 days of hearing that 3 of the bd bodies had been shot in the head horrors another jonestown crazed cultists child abusers whackos in waco last night the medical examiner was on tv and was pretty vehement in denying that any of them had bullet wounds he seemed just a tad upset at the feds for having spread that rumor aw gee he shouldnt be so hard on them theyre just practicing the new principle of flexible reality that their big boss has implemented before long i think all the kneejerk government apologists are going to start getting pretty pissed off at how easily they were misled two notes of interest from texas the tarrant couonty me who is doing the autopsies is well known for rendering judgements that are contrary to the police view he presented evidence a few years ago that a man who police said was pointing a gun at them actually had his hands in the air this does not bode well for the boys in black the texas dept of public saftey and the texas rangers have no great love for the atf i have heard them referred to as those fucking cowboys the dps was totally squeezed out of the bd operation and resented being left as traffic cops atf now has two strikes against them finally i guess that makes three notes rumour from waco is that four atf agents were stopped by four waco police cars and a dps trooper after one of the flashed an automatic weapon at a cop lots of pissed of cops and you wonder why there were so few cops really cheering on the atf dillon pyron the opinions expressed are those of the ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated 214 462 3556 when im here 214 492 4656 when im home texans vote no on robin hood we need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions not gestures padi dm 54909 baseball re box score abbrev woes in article 1993apr15 195452 14672 scott skidmore edu jrogoff scott skidmore edu jay rogoff writes can anybody figure out why some box score abbreviations make absolutely no sense at least in the local gannett rag that finds its way to my door i must have stared at cleman in the mets box for a good 30 seconds this morning wondering who the hell it was wouldnt it make more sense to use colemn ive seen it as colmn also blame the associated press after the official scorer balances the official score card they copy it and give it to several diffent people one of those is a person from ap whose job it is to type it up using a template on a laptop and transmit it to the ap offices in new york rockefeller center via the telephone the box scores are not checked and just rebroadcasted over aps news delivery services if there are corrections those are issued later it is the person sitting in front of a laptop at shea or whereever whose fault that is note the ap puts out boxscores in three different formats with the one you see in most newspapers being the first one last week they were in denver maybe the ap person in denver did this remember they just started with mlb out there check tomorrows paper 4 21 and see if the person who is doing it from shea does the same thing scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe lets go mets cars re was re safety from how far can you see a car in article c4rvkm 367 plato ds boeing com simnet plato ds boeing com mark r poulson writes ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes you will be surprised at the number of people who forget their glasses while driving and then there are the people who just plain dont get their eyes checked once a year as someone who has lousy vision i can see objects at a distance without my glasses however they are quite fuzzy and i may not be able to make out the details but i can certainly tell that something is there i wont argue too much about anything i am probably one of those that think that we cant have enough safety on the roads i would gladly sacrifice distractions as you call it than someone having trouble seeing danger earlier one saved life justifies more than my lifetime of distractions for me and then there is dawn and dusk when your eyes have not yet adjusted to the poor light and there are those who drive black grey cars and then there is the case where you are driving down a two way one lane road and someone is overtaking cars and coming the opposite direction doesnt see you because your lights are not on or vice versa at 60mph that is quite a small reaction time but of course we are too macho to think we are invincible and can react faster than that only the poor sod who you didnt see might not have a normal life ever i worked out the reaction time in a previous post and its plenty even for an 80 year old grandma as long as speeds are in the 60 mph range or less if you or some other driver is going way faster than that then be careful as always you are responsible for your driving actions if you pull out to pass and crash into someone for whatever reason its your fault if you cant problem is that i may just kill the guy i agree that i would be at fault and i will have my license revoked why i might even go to the gas chamber but the fact still remains that the guy is dead someone died because i was too stingy to put on my lights see a damn thing then you shouldnt be driving lights fail fallen trees or rocks dont have lights etc i maintain that headlight strength the ratio of the probability of fallen trees rocks on the roads to oncoming traffic is too low to even be considered the difference is also working on what we know could happen to what might happen running lights are not necessary for motorists who drive around 60mph it may be a good idea to force the running or headlights on when you turn your windshield wipers on but only because some people are too stupid to do so if you crash into one of those idiots you have to fight it out in court to show his neglegence if you can even prove it just out of curiosity how much gas milage do you loose when you put your lights on and how much do you reduce the life of your head lamps and what is the cost of your headlamps anyway mileage is certainly reduced but by a very very small amount probably about 110 watts for head and running lights this is an extra 1 7 horsepower that must be made by the engine it may be that this will cost you around two gallons a year but times 200 million cars thats a lot of gas compared to the number of gallons of gas consumed by those 200 million cars it is miniscule whatever tis a pity i have to share the same roads with a person not concerned with safety s ssave ole cdac com lamp life is measured in hours so if you normally drive in half daylight and half night your lamps will have to be replaced twice as often headlamps only cost about 10us for most halogen lamps the cost to the individual is trivial and to me is not the issue what i dont like is the distractions all these cars with headlights cause i dont need to constantly see the headlights of the vehicle behind me i dont need to see the headlights of every gosh darn car for a mile down the road these lit up cars make non illuminated things less visible like pedistrians and bikes hopefully were not going to mandate drls for people and bikes too a stream of taillights is tolerable as are the orange front running lights this is certainly sufficient for other people to see you if they look and doesnt distract me nearly as much as full power headlights mark medicine re do we need a radiologist to read an ultrasound e j draper draper odin mda uth tmc edu writes if it were my wife i would insist that a radiologist be involved in the process radiologist are intensively trained in the process of interpreting diagnostic imaging data and are aware of many things that other physicians arent aware of maybe maybe not a new graduate would obviously be well trained but perhaps without sufficient experience a radiologist trained 10 or 15 years ago who has not kept his continuing education current is a whole nuther matter a ob who has trained in modern radiology technology is certainly more qualified than the latter and at least equal to the former would you want a radiologist to deliver your baby if you wouldnt then why would you want a ob gyn to read your ultrasound study if the radiologist is also trained in ob gyn why not john john de armond wd4oqc interested in high performance mobility performance engineering magazine tm interested in high tech and computers marietta ga send ur snail mail address to jgd dixie com perform dixie com for a free sample mag lee harvey oswald where are ya when we need ya cars re what is volvo boyle bbsls23 bnr ian boyle writes 740 turbo in uk was good for 124mph useful for blowing away vw beetles though i believe the beetle corners better i can say without any doubt that i have never been blown away by any volvo ever ive been blocked into a few car parks though by shit head volvo owners who only thought theyd be a few minutes this does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car not sure how long the small shit box volvos last too damn long the worst car i ever drove was a hired 340 in power handling and ride it was reminiscent of something from the 50s without the character the 340 only ceased production a couple of years back ive only been a passenger in the big volvos but that was enough i ought to go for a test drive because they offer some neat gifts oh well i have to admit that the most disgusting feature of volvos is their marketing it looks like volvo uses something like do you dare to risk your family in any car attitude which is quite annoying in the long run but now volvo has produced a new good car the volvo 850 front drive 2 4 l 20 valves motor completely new chassis etc even the british magazine car liked it and believe me that is quite much for a volvo and the american magazine road track said that this is not your uncle olofs car and in a positive sense but in any case id still like to own the 960 estate strong tank like chassis 3 0l inline six rear drive btw the only car drivers who have blocked me are land rover or jaguar drivers what you mean what i drive a cheapo japanese a toyota of course i do not have money for a car like bmw merc jaguar saab 9000 volvo 850 or 960 etc if i had the money i would have bad problems deciding which one to buy cars re how hard to change springs on f350 truck in article 1993apr3 005245 10615 michael apple com ems michael apple com e michael smith writes does it take any peculiar tools to remove the rear springs from a ford f350 truck o naah just a coupla nice big bumps medicine re good grief was re candida albicans what is it in article noringc5snsx kmo netcom com noring netcom com jon noring writes in article rind enterprise bih harvard edu david rind writes there is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists theres a lot of evidence it just hasnt been adequately gathered and published in a way that will convince the die hard melancholic skeptics who quiver everytime the word anecdote or empirical is used no theres no evidence that would convince any but the most credulous the evidence is identical to the sort of evidence that has been used to justify all sorts of quack treatments for quack diseases in the past medicine on the right road but methinks that some who hold too firmly to the party line are academics who havent been in the trenches long enough actually treating patients i like the implication here it must not be that the quacks making millions off such diseases are biased rather that those who doubt their existence dont understand the real world it seems easy to picture a 19th centure snake oil salesman saying the same thing however i have been in the trenches long enough to have seen multiple quack diseases rise and fall in popularity systemic yeast syndome seems to be making a resurgence it had fallen off a few years ago there will be new such diseases im sure with best selling books and expensive therapies if anybody doctors included said to me to my face that there is no evidence of the yeast connection i cannot guarantee their safety for their incompetence ripping off their lips is justified as far as i am concerned well this of course is convincing i guess id better start diagnosing any illnesses that people want so that i can keep my lips david rind rind enterprise bih harvard edu windows re canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 thomas d fellrath 1 nd edu nd edu wrote the key issue that i bought my bj 200 on was ink drying speed i was at the trenton computer fest and there were many sources of ink refills for the hp and canon so if you dont like the ink youre using you have a choice there is a frequently asked question faq list thats reposted occasionally that reports how to refill the cartridges yourself with inks that are available from the stationery store instead of a specialty ink with the specialty price im not sure but i think i found another legal source of cheap hypos for injecting ink into the cartridges more on that when my mail order succeeds jeffrey jonas jeffj panix com windows approach for windows article crossposted from comp os ms windows apps author was dr richard timmer posted on 24 apr 93 23 11 16 gmt hello winnetters i have seen a great deal of discussion herein on the relative merits of ms access and borland paradox win however are there any users out there with experience with the database package called approach it has gotten a number of very good reviews from the various mags and it seems like it would require less hardware overhead than paradox i have ruled out access because some aspects of it are extremely non intuitive e g requiring a field to always have a value i like what ive seen of paradox but it seems like the resource requirements are greater than what i have 386 25 mhz 6 mb ram so please provide me with your thoughts are approach good and bad thanks richard timmer religion bhagavad gita 2 44 text 44 bhogaisvarya prasaktanam tayapahrta cetasam vyavasayatmika buddhih samadhau na vidhiyate bhoga to material enjoyment aisvarya and opulence prasaktanam for those who are attached taya by such things apahrta cetasam bewildered in mind vyavasaya atmika fixed in determination buddhih devotional service to the lord samadhau in the controlled mind na never vidhiyate does take place translation in the minds of those who are too attached to sense enjoyment and material opulence and who are bewildered by such things the resolute determination for devotional service to the supreme lord does not take place purport samadhi means fixed mind the vedic dictionary the nirukti says samyag adhiyate sminn atma tattva yathatmyam when the mind is fixed for understanding the self it is said to be in samadhi samadhi is never possible for persons interested in material sense enjoyment nor for those who are bewildered by such temporary things they are more or less condemned by the process of material energy bhagavad gita as it is books of a c bhaktivedanta swami dont forget to chant hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare kalkis infoline bbs aiken south carolina usa system kalki33 lakes trenton sc us medicine re krillean photography before more bandwidth gets wasted on this i apologize for my flame first because i distributed the message to so many newsgroups i did not check the crosspostings of the article i followed up on second for not making my argument clear enough i reacted to the tone of many of the anti kirlian posts not to their content right or wrong i found the arguments set in arrogant and sneering words that includes jokes which i still think is unwarranted and obviously i should not have done the same alex baseball re montreal question in article 1993apr19 015442 15723 oz plymouth edu k mullin oz plymouth edu mully writes what position does mike lansing play i cannot seem to find it anywhere thanks 1 currently hes all over he played 2nd when deshields was out he was shifted to third when delino came back and today he played ss for a cold wil cordero his natural positions seem to be in the middle infield but they will seemingly find a spot for himm somewhere as long as his bat is hot p tierney guns re the pill for deer no hunting in article pa146008 710 734831135 utkvm1 utk edu pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu david veal writes in article 1993apr14 182610 2330 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes in article 1993apr14 120958 11363 synapse bms com hambidge bms com writes self defense is a valid reason for rkba the vast majority get through life without ever having to own use or display a firearm you might have missed the u s news world report excerpt i posted it is fairly consistant with other such polls finding that approximately 40 50 of households have at least one firearm how this translates into individual ownership is questionable but i think its fairly safe to say that youre wrong about the vast majority ok a near majority actually own firearms but i will still claim that the vast majority never needs to use them or even threaten anyone with them what do they do right or are they just lucky in either case this means the average threat level in this country is rather low besides there are other means of self protection which can be just as effective as firearms please name them the key phrase is can be theories are nice but practicality is more important a taser to chose an exmpale outlawed virtually everywhere can be as effective as a gun under optimal conditions when dealing with your absolute average i think you have weapons on the brain i never said that these alternative means of self protection involved any hardware why are good neighborhoods good it isnt because every person is armed to the teeth it is because of 1 attitude and 2 cooperation in the good neighborhoods the residents make themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when strangers are lurking around good neighborhoods form groups like crime watch to increase this effect and the relative effectiveness of the police when hostiles are arrested the good neighbors step up and say thats the one officer he was robbing mr jones house in short the alternative to firepower is gangs or at least a benificent manifestation of that social cooperative replace lead with flesh the flesh makes a better conversationalist too and you can invite it over for a block party freedoms and rights are not dependent on public opinion necessity or scientific scrutiny new to this planet everything is dependent on either public or political opinion usually political to imagine that inalienable rights are somehow wired into the vast cold cosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion in a very real sense everything the government does is based on public approval if for no other reason than at any particular time there arent public servants commonly adorning trees but legality and legitimacy also matter if a governments charter makes a rule which the government then violates it is violated the basis for its existance enforcement of its will becomes a matter solely of force of arms oliver north the man is positively worshiped in many all american conservative quarters he and big ron set up a secret government and did all sorts of severely illegal deeds the kind of stuff you and i would be doing twenty to life for yet he walks free this bs happens all the time in fact it happens so much that no one really cares anymore legitimacy is a non issue legality is a non issue so long as we get t bones and our mtv who gives a rats ass no arguments against rkba can withstand scientific scrutiny they dont have to like so many other things the issue is one of perception rather than boring statistics excuse me sir but you were the one suggesting that arguments for rkba would not stand up to scientific scrutiny no i claimed that no one is interested in the statistical aspects of the argument pure emotion like the abortion issue every time some young innocent is gunned down in a drive by every time some kid is murdered for a jacket every time a store clerk is executed for three dollars in change every time some moron kills his wife because she took the last beer from the fridge every time someone hears a bang in the night the rkba dies emotion is hard to argue against but it must be done anyway if emotion is wrong argue away you cant win the stats are not all that clearly behind firearms and just yesterday you claimed they werent behind them at all the protection factor does not strongly outweigh the mindless mayhem factor operating under the assumption that the same conditions absolutely govern both of them that the expansion of one automatically necessitates the contraction of the other firearms related mindless mayhem will be related to the availibility of firearms if they become scarce and and expensive a different psychology will take hold i think they would be used far less to settle trivial complaints medicine re krillean photography in article c67g01 2j1 efi com alanm efi com alan morgan writes in article c65oil 436 vuse vanderbilt edu alex vuse vanderbilt edu alexander p zijdenbos writes okay name one single effect that kirlian photography gives that cant be explained by corona discharge dozens of very funny postings to sci image processing of which this may not be one ata baseball texas ranger ticket info would someone please give me the address for texas ranger ticket orders thanks very much jim windows re borlands paradox offer i am considering buying borlands paradox for windows since i would like to use a database with windows i dont have use one yet for both work home use i would like to advantage of borlands 129 95 until april 30 offer if this package is everything that borland claims it to be so i was wondering has anybody used this and or have any opinions tom belmonte ive been using ms access still available from some stores for 99 00 and i am quite pleased with it its relatively easy to learn very easy to use and somewhat easy to program i highly recomend it particularly at 99 00 i have not used paradox for windows but i dont expect it to be 30 00 better than access imho dave windows re head to head win and os 2 im waiting for june first to roll around when i can then get my hands on pc solaris unix for the intel chip i know that there are many of other unix possibilities out there but this includes the wabi windows api binary interface i think technology that wil run windows apps straight outta da box if this flies in enhanced mode then heres another contender to look out for in the corporate education market too big and complex for the home front windows 4 mac sys7 will take those while win4wkgrps nt os 2 will fight it out for the small to mid businesses however once the powerpc becomes available especially in laptop notebook form then these will migrate into all markets the ability to connect up to a unix machine at work and yet still run windows mac apps at home is going to be real attractive to alot of people just my predictions mike mike bendtsen msbendts mtu edu 740 elm st apt 4 ccli senior technical consultant hancock mi 49930 michigan technological university medicine experts on penicillin look my name is noah dacumos and i am a student at san leandro high i am doing a project for my physics class and i would like some info on the discovery of penicillin its discoverer sir alexander fleming and how it helps people with many incurable bacterias also how it effects those who are allergic to it any info will be greatly appreciated noah dacumos medicine sudden numbness in arm i experienced a sudden numbness in my left arm this morning just after i completed my 4th set of deep squats today was my weight training day and i was just beginning my routine all of a sudden at the end of the 4th set my arm felt like it had gone to sleep it was cold turned pale and lost 60 of its strength the weight i used for squats wasnt that heavy i was working hard but not at 100 effort i waited for a few minutes trying to shake the arm back to life and then continued with chest exercises flyes with lighter dumbells than i normally use but i dropped the left dumbell during the first set and experienced continued arm weakness into the second so i quit training and decided not to do my usual hour on the ski machine either ill take it easy for the rest of the day my arm is still somewhat numb and significantly weaker than normal my hand still tingles a bit down to the thumb color has returned to normal and it is no longer cold horrid thoughts of chunks of plaque blocking a major artery course through my brain im 34 vegetarian and pretty fit from my daily exercise regimen so that cant be it could a pinched nerve from the bar cause these symptoms i hope has this happened to anyone else nothing like this has ever happened to me before does it come with age thanks tom tom molnar unix systems group university of toronto computing communications guns re bds did themselves youre all paranoid freaks in article 1993apr23 151855 7011 starbase trincoll edu writes in article 1r6p8oinn8hi clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras wrote i have not made up my mind about waco but there sure seems to be a group of devoted government following fanatics willing to believe whatever that government wants to tell them without any shred of doubt nor thought of thier own they sure get shrill whenever their belief structure is being shaken kinda reminds you of the bds doesnt it jim go to hell im no government following fanatic your sweeping generalizations evince your own ignorance what were they supposed to do just let him be fuck him fuck the atf too they shouldve done it right the first time what is doing it right the first time murdered them all used tanks maybe they should have had enough evidence to indict from the list presented to date i havent seen anything illegal they claim that the bds bought components to convert their weapons to class iii devices but no evidence that they had done so in fact with a class iii ffl living with them this may have been legal given recent court rulings what you really meant to say was that the atf should have done the right and lwaful thing or did you just want the bds dead dillon pyron the opinions expressed are those of the ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated 214 462 3556 when im here 214 492 4656 when im home texans vote no on robin hood we need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions not gestures padi dm 54909 medicine re great post was re candida yeast bloom very long in article noringc5wzm4 41n netcom com noring netcom com jon noring writes if you cant observe or culture the yeast bloom in the gut or sinus then theres no way to diagnose or even recognize the disease and i know they realize that it is virtually impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body that cannot be easily observed since candida is everywhere in the body in article c5y5nm axv toads pgh pa us geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes youve just discovered one of the requirements for a good quack theory find something that no one can disprove and then write a book saying it is the cause of whatever since no one can disprove it you can rake in the bucks for quite some time i hope gordon banks did not mean to imply that notions such as hard to see candida infections causing various problems should not be investigated many researchers have made breakthroughs by figuring out how to investigate things that were previously thought virtually impossible to test for indeed i would be surprised if candida overbloom were such a phenomena i would think that candida would produce signature byproducts whose measure would then set a lower bound on the extent of recent infection i realize this might get quite tricky and difficult probably expensive and likely inconvenient or uncomfortable to the subjects but that is not the same as virtually impossible russell guns re my gun is like my american express card thomas parsli thomasp ifi uio no writes observations from a naive norwegian yup you said it i admire such honesty 1 guns are made to kill people not to shoot target or to have something more macho than stamps to collect fire an anschutz 22 then come back and talk to us youre letting ignorance and possibly fear cloud your thinking either that or this is sour grapes because we beat you in the olympic shooting events funny youd think biathalon would be a natural sport for the norse 2 it is more easy to kill injure someone with a gun than with a knife or a bat as in baseball precisely that makes them the best method of defense for the citizenry not everybody has the time to train with a gladius you know but for some reason those who prey on others seem to have more free time to extend this a bit further you need only a certain level of competence to beat another with a range weapon getting in their face with a weapon and winning is much more difficult and requires more training time the average citizen just does not have ive spent a few years practicing with a sword i can take the common person armed with one though self defense isnt the reason i own one my kid sister would have an even chance of beating me gun vs gun with only a month of training that makes firearms much better in our eyes 3 its not very wise to compare two completely different countries like usa and lets say island on issues like crime and violence excellent point perhaps you arent so naive after all 4 yes the problem is people committing crimes not the tools beeing used but 1 should be taken into concideration taken into consideration in what respect though quite wrong lets make it a blanket statement for weapons in general this has been taken into consideration we call use of them aggrivated assault assault with a deadly weapon assault with intent to kill attempted murder and a whole host of others and tack on extra prison time we have a very strict gun legislation in norway but until recently it was possible for enyone over 18 years to buy a shotgun shotguns are used mainly for hunting in norway but because it was so easy to accuire one it was the most used gun in crimes in norway i suspect it was about the only weapon available you conquered your land among others a full millenia before we were thought of and shortly thereafter weapons werent quite so common i suspect that a few world wars made a difference too since in times of emergency weapons tend to be turned in or donated to needy causes im curious though were the weapons used in the crimes bought shortly before the crime or were they aquired by other means any requirements other than just registering the shotgun and unbelievable the use of guns in crime fell there are now a new law against wearing long knives in public and why should it be allowed come on down to honest eriks used swords heres a slightly used short sword the battlefield supremacy weapon of the eleventh century only 39 95 with trade in easy financing sorry i couldnt resist you guys still slicing each other with long knives or is this really not a problem what i as an scandinavian have problems to understand is that you americans have a more liberal view on guns and violence than on nudity and sex try showing a bare breast on tv insted of violence and murder im all for that what gets me is that scandanavians and yes im only a couple generations off the longship used to be some of the most feared warriors on the planet a mere millenia ago yet now seem to spend their time sitting in spas and doing a bit of topless sunbathing maybe you had a bit more time and a more homogeneous culture to become civilized with yes i know a little american history but is it a civil human right to have an assault gun in your home and or an handgun in your car yes were too damned violent partially i believe because we are not a homogeneous culture and dont identify ourselves as americans first and foremost im rather proud of my norwegian and danish heritage whereas i suspect you couldnt care less about that 2 welsh blood in your veins thanks to a raid in ireland back in 1055 the time scale and the homogeneous culture are important equally important is a basic philosophical difference in personal versus collective good in america the individual is more important than the masses personal liberties are prized above all this is sadly changing of late but i trust you notice how this call for freedom makes laws that restrict individuals for little collective benefit hateful to americans id hazard a guess that were america less interested in freedom and personal liberty and more interested in collective good we never would have sent our armed forces anywhere one poor effect of this culture we have is that were looking out for ourselves and it is quite easy to identify with only a small segment of the population my grandmother tells of being discriminated against back in denmark because she spoke low dane whereas others spoke high dane it was shortly after world war ii as i remember that low dane was abolished so there was one common dialect we cannot fathom such a minor thing being a problem because we have even more obvious means of identifying an outsider the bad english is not my fault its probably the keyboard software or the quality of the subtext on tv take heart yours is better than 90 of what gets posted by native speakers any helpful hints for our educational system people have this annoying tendency to drop out of school and sell drugs over here and what kind of name is thomas parsli here you can use my great grandfathers before he changed it christian aarskog thats a great one for getting mispronounced i think thats why he changed it i dont think he needs it anymore dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them medicine re adult chicken pox i am 35 and am recovering from a case of chicken pox which i contracted from my 5 year old daughter i have quite a few of these little puppies all over my bod at what point am i no longer infectious my physicians office says when they are all scabbed over is this true i have been in the same boat as you last year ive tried four times to send you an email response but your end doesnt seem to accept my mail please let me know if you receive this cheers nigel nigel ballard int nigel dataman demon co uk vacant lot bournemouth uk cis 100015 2644 radio g1hoi for rent diaries of the famous colonel custer surrounded by indians just when i fancied a chinese religion question about islamic view a question regarding the islamic view towards homosexuality came up in a discussion group that i participate in and id like to ask the question here what is the islamic view towards homosexuality jim burrill jburrill boi hp com cars re saturn extended warranty i agree with gaia even though the saturn has proved to be a very reliable car so far a little money spent now is worth the peace of mind in my opinion getting the powertrain warranty is enough in my case thats be cause anything that needed repairing in the interior sunroof windows doors etc i could do myself i just didnt want to mess with the engine and such plus i think the extra 3 years of 24 hour roadside assistance must be worthe so meting i opted for the 5 year plan for 375 thomas guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors from article 1qvjh9innh4l hp col col hp com by dduff col hp com dave duff nut case panics jumps the gun on the net before getting facts straight brilliant i like it dave holden phys dept email keele university phd85 uk ac keele seq1 keele staffs england x religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed in article 1993apr22 125956 1 woods ulowell edu cotera woods ulowell edu writes in article 1r477q 1vk sbctri sbc com tph susie sbc com timothy p henrion writes please explain how koresh was defending himself from those children who burned who ever said he was what is obvious is that he was defending himself and his followers from the government whether you think he was right or wrong in this is another question if he was right then he had the moral right to kill those kgbatf agents ray cote the killing of the atf agents is a separate issue my point is that many children died because of koresh defending himself did he have what you call the moral right to keep those children in a dangerous enviroment in order to defend himself tim henrion southwestern bell technology resources thenrion sbctri sbc com windows re is ms windows a mature os in article cyen 735139934 ponder jesse writes hi have you used mac system 6 x or 7 x if the answer is positive you would know if ms windows is a mature os days ago people doubted that ms windows is not a real os i can see why they have such question ms windows confuses many people microsoft common complaints about ms windows deleted jesse e mail cyen cs unt edu ic43 sol acs unt edu hmmmm why do i get the feeling that this is gonna start one of those endless threads mac vs win and might even end up as os 2 vs win well i dont know if windows is a mature os if i have seen one in which case that has to be x windows but dont be so quick to judge first of all to try to use plain vanilla windows is as courageous as to try to use plain vanilla dos there are lots of very nice commercial and shareware packages utilities that will boost up windows past what ms itself thought possible for example norton desktop for windows 2 0 a replace ment for progman will give you group within a group capability and will even change group icons it will launch progs by association well fileman does that too or by dragging the file in the apps icon now mac doesnt do that huh and the list goes on and on now windows is kinda hard to finetune boost and configure but thats trhe price to pay for not paying to get a mac or an os 2 capable machine an entirely differet story on the other hand if you dont like the idea of pms icons not correspnding to the files themselves well they are not supposed to pm is a program launching utility not a file manager modify your settings to have fm as your shell and not pm or get a couple of utilities from cica that supposedly give you a mac feel i dont wanna get in the discussion which is a better system macs are good in their own way they are different not better or worse than win pcs actually i am writing this from a mac lab as a user assistant so dont think i am partial to win by all means check out the stuff in cica ftp to ftp cica indiana edu under the pub pc win3 subdir user anonymous or wait for startrek macs os on a pc the threads we are gonna have then just trying to avoid another mac win war costas malamas georgia institute of technology oit ua opinions expressed are not necessarily oits internet ccastco prism gatech edu cars re 80 svx oil change in article c518f0 9i7 undergrad math uwaterloo ca swdwan napier uwaterloo ca donald wan writes my friend brought a subaru svx recently i had drove it for couples times and i think its a great car esp on snow however when she took it to a local subaru dealer for a oil change the bill came out to be about 80 dollars the dealer told us it is because to change the oil filter on a svx it is necessary to disassemble a metal cover under the engine and that took an hour of labour at first we think we are being ripped off so she phone to a dealer in toronto but found out the they are charging roughly the same price so is there any svx owner out there that has the same problem and if the oil change story is true then the engineer of subaru looks pretty stubid to me by the way the car looks great labour prices for car service are very expensive in toronto compared to other parts of ontario for example there are places in ottawa that still charge only 40 hour ive seen a couple of places charging 60 hour the cheapest ive heard in toronto is 70 hour swd wan doug zolmer internet dwjz bnr ca disclaimer my opinions only bell northern research ltd ottawa ontario canada conform moooo baseball re notes on jays vs indians series in c5hxlk fix andy bgsu edu klopfens andy bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein writes dtate pitt edu david m tate writes klopfens andy bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein said i just love how the alomar fans left rbis off this list of course they left rbis off were comparing alomar the individual with baerga the individual so only individual stats count give me a break i forgot most runs are scored by players stealing home so rbi dont count for anything my mistake oh oh we all know whats going to happen now dont we gord niguma fav player john olerud cars re awd bmw in europe you can buy a 525ix with computer controlled diffs rather than the horrid viscous coupled ones of the outgoing 325ix eliot baseball re so far so good the red sox ec003b uhura cc rochester edu wizard writes i have posted two new postings on the net since i discovered how to use it and both times i received redicule for predicting the red sox as high as third in the al east id like to hear why it is people dont think the sox can be as high as third this year here are some of my observations well had you been a bit less exuberant in both the tone and substance of your predictions the responses would probably have been a bit more measured be that as it may 1 roger and frank are in vintage form and the sox are rresponding to them clemens is always in this form and viola isnt really performing beyond what might reasonably have been expected how do you know that the sox are responding to them and not to al bumbry hobson or my most likely suspect new hitting coach mike easler i certainly am more likely to give easler credit for mo vaughhns hot start than clemens or viola 2 greenwell is hitting as he did before his injuries this was the optimistic scenario but not unreasonably so he hasnt shown much power yet though 3 dawson is providing the leadership and some hitting they need from him how can you tell that dawson is providing the leadership perhaps its calderon perhaps its clemens and viola maybe hobson is finally showing those people skills he was supposed to have when they hired him or maybe its all a myth and dawson has been hitting reasonably well but not as well as greenwell vaughn cooper or fletcher 4 russell is finishing well in three games why dont we look at this one again in say july 5 fletcher is hitting well as a leadoff hitter a bit better than could reasonably have been expected but dont forget that zupcic looked like wade boggs lite for about 75 abs last year beware of small sample sizes still if fletcher hits as well as he did last year hed be a great improvement over any sox leadoff hitter from last year be aware that his career numbers seem to indicate that he puts up good numbers as long as he doesnt have to make more than 300 ab or so in a year 6 cooper is hitting well i think hell be better then boggs in the field and just as good at the plate ummm sorry no i can buy the in the field part and i think hell be better at the plate than the 1992 boggs but in general cooper while hell be a pretty good hitter couldnt carry boggs jockstrap with a little luck he could be the fourth or fifth best 3b in the al martinez boggs ventura and palmer will all be better if the sox pitch like last year they have a better pitchiong staff now and hit like they are so far they coiuld run away with thee division but since i think that their hitting and pitching may not be up to the challenge of running away with the division i think that they win be over 500 and at least third if not second or first see here is where you make that quick left turn off into the aether 500 is plausible third is not unlikely but phrases like could run away with the division are likely to get you a visit from the men in the white coats its not really clear that their staff is better than last year if russell does well darwin doesnt go on the dl and hesketh doesnt pitch just barely well enough to avoid losing his spot in the rotation they could be better on the other hand if hesketh pitches miserably and theyre too stupid to move him to the pen and bring up conroy or somebody fossas continues to pitch dismally but they keep giving him innings becasue hes a lefty and russell explodes they could be pretty bad mike jones aix high end development mjones donald aix kingston ibm com god is a comedian playing to an audience that is afraid to laugh mark twain cars 400 big block as the subject says it has 70k and my brother in law wants 250 please dont reply to me as i am posting this for him heres his numbers 5pm 10pm 712 676 3669 daytime 712 269 1261 dave schrader schrader eai iastate edu windows re mac disks in windows in article 3160 180 uupcb hal9k com scott lynn hal9k com scott lynn writes well i do alot of graphic design work and i am remaining loyal to dos windows instead of macs my college isnt though and i can only scan images on macintosh does anyone know of a program that can read mac disks the apple file exchange on the nac that writes to dos disks probably leaves me visibly older during every session i want to do the transfer in windows instead i would appreciate any info i want a windows program but i will gleefully settle for dos a program called mac ette allows you to read mac 3 5 high density disks on a dos machine you can get the program from simtel 20 im not sure of the directory location jim powlesland internet powlesla acs ucalgary ca academic computing services voice 403 220 7937 university of calgary message 403 220 6201 calgary alberta canada t2n 1n4 fax 403 282 9199 windows win lock up at 16 mil on dia stelth24x help please help if you can whenever i try to run windows useing the 16 million color mode with the drivers supplyed with my diamond stelth 24x it will lock up requireing a full system reset to break out the drivers that i have for windows are v 1 00 for windows 3 1 which is the version of windows i am useing my setup 386dx40 128kcach 4 megs of ram 14 svga touch monitor non interlaced ami bios any and all help would be apreciated the card seems to work fine in other modes i usually run windows in 800x600 mode and probs at all so i am hopeing it is a driver and not a card problem paul gubbins cpt tiamat umd umich edu guns re non lethal alternatives to handguns in article 1993apr13 221936 28301 watson ibm com mjp vnet ibm com michael j phelps writes in article shepardc5ftls 681 netcom com shepard netcom com mark shepard writes how effective are personal defense products like mace pepper spray tasers and other non lethal stun devices compared to handguns any statistics on s and types in use these products seem very attractive compared to handguns because being non lethal they are more forgiving of accident or mistakes wrongful shooting such as the yoshi hattori case and allow the justice system to deal with the criminal rather than criminals simply being dead which has a certain vigilante feel which seems to bother anti gun people the more forgiving nature also has its down side it allows a criminal to use them w o the adw assault with a deadly weapon charge they also can have lethal or dangerous side effects some people have violent reactions to mace pepper sprays stun guns can harm people with weak hearts people have suffered eye damage from mace the stuff that is available now is less concentrated than it used to be some of the spray propellents are flammable the arguments i see against these non lethal weapons compared to handguns are lack of range lack of stopping power or effectiveness and limited ammo true how about cost sprays using any of the spray based eg mace pepper indoors is bound to affect anyone else in the room like the victim due to the nature of the stuff using the sprays outdoors in any sort of breeze mitigates its effectiveness from reading various articles it appears that mace especially the mace available to citizens is pretty ineffective on people under the influence of drugs or alcohol pepper spray appears to be more effective but has the inherent spray delivery problem it still does not appear to be anything better than a distraction that might buy you time to run like hell if you can consider that running like hell isnt always a viable solution for example if you are dressed in boots and the assailent is dressed in sneakers you might have a tough time outrunning them tasars and stun guns require contact with skin for max effectiveness a jacket like a leather one will mitigate its effectiveness the user must be extremely close to the assailent that puts them at a considerable risk of injury the user must keep the stun gun in contact with the assailent for some non negligible period of time tasar darts can be pulled out consider the problem a small women would have keeping a stun gun in contact with a average size man for any length of time w o sustaining serious injury have any anti gun groups suggested non lethal weapons to counter the pro gun argument that people will be left defenseless i havent heard of any generally they contend that people dont need to or arent able to defend themselves and what legal restrictions licensing apply to non lethal devices civilian ownership of stun guns is frequently illegal ny the sprays are also illegal in some states believe it or not they are still illegal in ny although about half the state thinks they are legal i believe that ny almost legalized them i have heard that the reason they didnt was due to their ineffectiveness i feel that the sprays are better than nothing but only if the user does not believe the hype thisll drop em in their tracks stuff and uses it as a diversion o n l y marks mark shepard shepard netcom com portola valley ca michael phelps external mjp vnet ibm com internal mjp bwa kgn ibm com mjp at kgnvmy and last but not least a disclaimer these opinions are mine what about guns with non lethal bullets like rubber or plastic bullets would those work very well in stopping an attack doug holland windows re more diamond ss 24x in article 1993apr20 195853 16179 samba oit unc edu dil admin mhs unc edu dave laudicina writes has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this card is only in windows i have replaced card and am waiting on latest drivers also have experienced general protection fault errors in wspdpsf drv on winword tools option menu and in winfax setup i had the exact same failure with the 24x and word for windows a quick call to microsoft indicated it was problem with the 24x drivers you need to call diamond and get the new drivers i think version 2 03 fixes the above problem there may be later versions that im unaware of dale r pischke dale odetics com or uunet odetics dale senior software engineer odetics gyyr division religion re lds gordons question on the nicene creed the nicene creed we believe in one god the father almighty maker of heaven and earth and of all things visible and invisible and in one lord jesus christ the only begotten son of god begotten of the father before all worlds god of god light of light very god of very god begotten not made being of one substance with the father by whom all things were made who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate by the holy spirit of the virgin mary and was made man and was crucified also for us under pontius pilate he suffered and was buried and the third day rose again according to the scriptur es and ascended into heaven and sitteth on the right hand of the father and he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead whose kingdom shall have no end and we believe in the holy spirit the lord and giver of life who proceedeth from the father and the son who with the father and the son together is worshipped and glorified who spoke by the prophets and we believe in one holy and apostolic church we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins and we look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come amen medicine re sinus surgery septoplasty in article badboyc64t0z fgq netcom com badboy netcom com jay keller writes ive already heard from a couple who said they had it and it didnt really help them i am a moderately severe asthmatic ent doc says large percentage see some relief of their asthma after sinus surgery also he said it is not unheard of that migraines go away after chronis sinusitis is relieved did your ent also tell you that this procedure may remove warts from the soles of your feet and improve your sex life cars re jeep wrangler opini in article 1qht5einnjdf hp col col hp com tvervaek col hp com tom vervaeke writes i have had two wranglers and still have the second right now its a 1991 wrangler base model with the big i 6 4 0l engine hard top no power steering or air conditioning runs like a top has about 37k on it has never been in the shop i can change my own oil nice tall vehicle i can lube it myself 11 fittings i occasionally take it to jiffy lube to check the differentials and do the oil change there my previous wrangler had nary a problem either here in colorado there more jeeps than bmws mercedes volvos and the like together in fact jeep has been called the colorado car for a while they hold their value well and are very easy to resell mine cost right around 14 2k new of course i didnt blow money on an islander sahara or renegade which i have a 92 wrangler sahara and paid 14 1 new including the rebate are just wranglers with fancy inside stuff after driving a cj 5 for 6 years that fancy stuff is pretty nice the cars are primitive ride like a dump truck etc but if you live in an area that gets around 140 of snow per winter youd have one too theyll go anywhere with a winch and are easy to get parts for the i like my wrangler but when doing some serious off roading it cant keep up with a cj 5 because of ground clearance and limited suspension travel i do have a winch and would like to get an arb air locker in the future 4 0l engine puts out 180 190 hp and gets around 20mpg not bad i love the 4 0 just my experience im sure there are bad ones out there but that goes for any make and model don graham baseball re minnesota pitching in article snelson3 8 0 uwsuper edu snelson3 uwsuper edu scott r nelson writes the rotation has changed due to a strange injury to scott erickson he developed a twinge in the stomach area and has been taken out of the rotation new rotation to the best of my minds knowledge is kevin tapani jim deshais pat mahomes willie banks add mike trombley in there somewhere since they need five people mark guthrie will remain in the bullpen as the long lefty as to ss and 3b short will be played by scott leius who played short for much of his career before the twins at third mike pagliarulo and jeff reboulet will platoon pags and terry jorgenson will platoon at third with reboulet as the backup infielder pags looked pretty miserable yesterday for a guy who lead the league in da in 1991 muffing what should be routine grounders heck muffing a grounder i would probably have gotten to jorgenson did nothing exceptional that i noticed leius missed a ball i think gagne would have reached we will certainly miss gags glove this season winfield has struggled during preseason sunday against the colorado rockies he went 2 for 3 with 2 rbis and scored once he looked pretty good there contrary to what the mediots have been saying he looked reasonable at first he isnt mid 80s hrbek but then neither is the pretty big guy himself any more note im used to seeing the twins 1b looking kinda big on the field but not that big if he hits vaguely like last year hes a perfectly good first baseman note much of this posting is from personal observation yesterday in a game where the regulars were mostly pulled after several innings winfield may have big holes in his defensive game that didnt show up he didnt have to pick any bad throws for example but ill take what i saw so far david thornley have tickets will travel to dome guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 1993apr23 153005 8237 starbase trincoll edu writes must be comforting to belong to a government approved religion baptists are a cult two btw under most of the definitions in the dictionary of cult ive yet to meet a group of baptists who were stockpiling cambells soup and m 16s ar 15s know any mormons and banging marrying thirteen yuear olds know for a fact that this was happening state of texas says it wasnt and they held a trial to prove it youre a sorry son of a bitch if you cant draw a distinction between these two things sure we can the top two things are perfectly legal the bottom one isnt the person here who cant distinguish seems to be you people like you cheapen our constitution by using it to defend sociopaths who arent deserved of it so the constitution is only for people you approve of fine fine i usually refer to that as elitism because bigotry is so negative get a life and chill on the paranoia knowing that people like you are out there really gives me warm fuzzies joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet baseball re young catchers in article 7975 blue cis pitt edu genetic pitt edu david m tate writes mss netcom com mark singer said we know that very very few players at this age make much of an impact in the bigs especially when they havent even played aaa ball yes but this is irrelevant youre talking about averages when we have lots of information about this player in particular to base our decisions on do you really have that much information on him really why isnt lopez likely to hit that well he hit that well last year after adjusting his stats for park and league and such he hit better on an absolute scale than olson or berryhill did by a lot i dont know you tell me what percentage of players reach or exceed their mles in their rookie season were talking about 1993 you know as for rushing if there really is a qualitative difference between the minors and the majors that requires a period of adjustment and i dont believe there is then wouldnt you rather waste lopezs 22 year old good season than his 23 year old very good season or his 24 year old excellent season the sooner you get him acclimated the more of his prime you get to use if that were your purpose maybe offerman spent 1992 getting acclimated if you will the dodgers as a team paid a big price that season perhaps they will reap the benefits down the road do you really think they would have done what they did if they were competing for a pennant lopez was hitting 588 over 17 ab when he was cut from spring training what does he have to do to earn a chance maybe not a full time job but at least a couple starts and a few ab for him to prove his worth the point was not that 17 ab is a significant sample but rather that he hadnt done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager to question whether his minor league numbers were for real or to send him down until he gets warmed up for a stat head im amazed that you put any credence in spring training did you notice who he got those 10 hits off of or are you going to tell me that it doesnt make a difference the kid will improve playing at aaa just like keith mitchell did wait a minute i missed something here first forget keith mitchell are you saying that a kid who moves from aa to aaa and then does not improve would have been better off making a direct leap to the majors if a player does well at aa and then does not improve at aaa isnt that a sign that maybe he doesnt belong in the bigs now keith mitchell as i recall no stat books handy surprise he jumped from aa to atlanta in 1991 he did so well that he was returned to the minors where he didnt do very well at all now his career is in jeopardy so how does he fit in with your point good mles in aa moved him right to the big club now hes one step away from being traded or moved out of baseball duh that was me and you so far your only counter proposal is that they really dont understand how good lopez is or overvalue experience or some combination of the two i think my interpretation was more flattering to the organization well ive cast my lot certainly you may understand better how good lopez is and i may overvalue experience but neither one of us runs a baseball team the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com windows re some info the dos msw meltdown is progressing nicely ajayshah almaak usc edu ajay shah writes the preferred applications development platform according to 432 of the fortune 1000 corporations survey by sentry market research survey 1992 1993 unix 18 28 mainframe 35 22 dos msw 24 18 development of what in house apps maybe but certainly not apps to be sold on an open market statistics like that are laughable because they may simply mean that there are not enough shrink wrapped usable apps for unix and they have to be developed disproportionately often as compared to the installed unix base t windows re questions about windows nt help in article 1993apr19 154349 10382 cfmu eurocontrol be rajiev cfmu eurocontrol be rajiev gupta writes in article c562cq fc7 ms uky edu shan ms uky edu minghua shan writes stuff deleted 1 does windows nt run on sun sparc server 490 2 if the answer to question 1 is yes does it run unix applications such as sas for unix 3 is windows nt a multiuser os 4 when will windows nt be released 5 is there any telephone number that i can call and get more info on win nt thank you minghua shan as far as i have read win nt will be supported on intel dec alpha and the mips r4000 series of processors only i do remember though reading a rumour about sparc support sometime in the future i am not sure what you mean by running unix applications you would have to have sas for win nt or maybe sas for win16 etc i have read that ms will anounce avalaibility of win nt by end of may 93 comdex spring hope this helps rajiev gupta rajiev gupta eurocontrol cfmu disclaimer rajiev cfmu eurocontrol be rue de la loi 72 these are my views tel 32 2 729 33 12 b 1040 bruxelles not my companies fax 32 2 729 32 16 belgium according to the april issue of pc magazine pg 139 and i quote eventually windows nt is likely to be ported to every successful risc architecture powerpc and hps pa risc are the two most likely candidates with sparc somewhat less likely because of suns relatively strong unix software base later bill medicine emphysema question a friend of mine is going in later this week for tests to see if has emphysema his lung capacity has decreased over time his father died of the disease he works in woodworking i believe he has a very occasional cigarette perhaps one cigarette a day or even less he tells me this ive never seen him light up he has some pretty healthy life style habits good diet exercise meditation retreats therapy etc anyhow he is very concerned with this check up i know really nothing about the disease i believe it interferes with the lining of the lung being able to exchange oxygen is a diagnosis of emphysema a death sentence if he were to give up smoking entirely would that better his chances for recovery what are some modern therapies used in people with this disease i would appreciate any information thanks amigan cup portal com medicine hismanal et al side effects can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications has been linked to rapid excessive weight gain and or a distorted sense of taste or smell hismanal azmacort a topical steroid to prevent asthma vancenase also you may have guessed im an allergy sufferer but im beginning to suspect im also the victim of a dr toliberal with the prescription p the allergist i went to last oct simply inquired about my symptons i was suffering chronic asthma attacks gave me a battery of allergy tests and went down a checklist of drugs a photocopied sheet ive gained out 30 lbs since then though i havent eaten more or much differently than before ivsuffered depression fatigue and ive experienced a foul smell and sense of taste for about the last two months i mentioned the lack of smell and taste to this dr in feb and he said my sinuses did look a bit swollen he just looked up my nose with his little light the same one used for ears and prescribed prednisone and sulfatrim ds severe headaches and a rash resulted particularly after my weeks worth of prednisone ran out now he wants to do a rhinoscopy to see if i have a bleeding ulcer or polyps in my sinus cavities im considering seeing another doctor any suggestions advice id really appreciate it cars re bmw 528i in article 1993apr25 180954 20425 ultb isc rit edu adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu writes i looked at that bimmer yesterday its an 81 has about 90kmi according to owner odometer stopped working at 68kmi drivess well sounds good body is ok he wants 3000 i liked the car despite its auto tranny but my wife will be a primary driver on this one and she wants auto the radio does not work untill the car warms up and you honk the horn the a c seems to have a leak the sunroof is sticky but operational odometer does not work as mentioned before idle is a bit bouncy going from 900rpm to 1200rpm wipers are slow thats teh gripes the owner says that he changed radiator alternator rotors and calipers exhaust the biggest problem is that the owner is a shifty sob telling strange stories i hate that i would never buy from a persom like that except how often you see a descent 528i for that amount of money he also said that although i could bring a mechanicin he wouldnt let me check the car by taking it to a garage suspicious and who knows what milage is on it so let me know what to check for given theres practically no rust i know there was an article on 528i in r d a few years back anybody remembers what issue mike s dont buy it all of the things you mentioned will just give you headaches later on also it sounds like the car needs a lot of work and as you probably know bmws are not cheap to fix either the owner sounds like a shady character just trying to take advantage of someone sure 3000 sounds good but you should calculate how much the repairs will be it sounds like you would have to sink in at least 1000 to get everything fixed if not more also never trust anyone as far as mileage is concerned who knows how many miles are on it and how it was driven sure people tell you bmws hold up but you have to consider any car is subject to wear and tear for all you know it could have 200 000 miles on it the thing you have to remember is that this isnt the last 528i around either just wait and keep shopping for around 5000 6000 you can probably find one that is better needs less repair and has legitimate mileage unlike the one you are considering take it from a guy who has been taken a couple of times good luck al himsl medicine re thyroidal deficiency in article 1993apr30 211625 568 adobe com abruno adobe andrea bruno writes in article 19930430140738sfb2763 mvs draper com sfb2763 mvs draper com eileen bauer writes thyroxin controls energy production which explains sleepiness coldness and weight gain there is also water retention possibly around heart changes in vision and coarser hair and skin among other things is there any relation between thyroid deficiency and depression perhaps the listlessness caused by thyroid deficiency could mimic depression or feeling unable to do anything could cause one to get depressed but i know of no specific effect on the brain caused by the thyroid that would cause depression note that weight gain is usually a symptom of both simple blood tests would indicate if a thyroid condition is present i dont know if depression would cause a reduction in thyroid output but i would tend to doubt it as far as i know clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain and that chemical imbalance has no direct effect on any other part of the body a regular everyday depression imho should not cause a chemical imbalance in the body at all the pituitary bases its secretions of thyroid stimulating hormone tsh on the level of circulating thyroxin there are two types t3 and t4 one is used as a reserve and is changed into the other active form in the liver the ratio of t3 t4 can be affected by a number of other hormones estrogen for example naturally changing activity of the bodys cells would cause changes in availabilty of free thyroxin but the liver and a healthy thyroid should be able to balance things out in short order good sources for info on the thyroid are the merk manual a physicians reference book although reading it is enough to get one depressed and the encyclopedia brittanica should be available in your local library i hope this has been of some help eileen bauer baseball re notes on jays vs indians series in article 1993apr14 081214 3921 csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson lu writes second basemen in history he probably didnt even have as good a season as alomar last year guess which line is which ba obp slg ab h 2b 3b hr bb x 310 405 427 571 177 27 8 8 87 y 312 354 455 657 205 32 1 20 35 the walks should give it away obps in general somewhat more valuable than slugging and alomars edge in obp was quite a bit larger than baergas edge in slugging im no sdcn but whats more valuable 28 hits w 5 more doubles 12 more hrs or 7 more triples and 52 bbs lets not forget the 39 extra sbs how many cs of course the 28 hits and 12 homers are more valuable but dont forget the 58 outs you cant have it both ways baergas higher raw numbers are due to him having more playing time and thus he had more hits and homers but dont forget the cost of those outs btw just to answer your question alomar had 49 sb and 9 cs baerga had 10 sb and 2 cs which gives a minute plus on alomars side something else to consider alomars h r splits were 500 363 slg 444 369 obp baergas was 486 424 and 392 318 pretty clearly alomar got a huge boost from his home park id say you could make a good for them being about equal right now t p rated baerga higher actually mike disclaimer these opiini h h damn h h q w q wq wq d x exit x q c quitbye ctrlaltdel q q logout save quit quit zz zzzzzz vi man vi l c e x i t help helpquit d d man help c c e help exit quit q ctrlshftdel hey what does stop l1a d religion gods promise of peace psa 145 9 the lord is good to all and his tender mercies are over all his works jer 13 14 and i will dash them one against another even the fa thers and the sons together saith the lord i will not pity nor spare nor have mercy but destroy them cars re ultimate awd vehicles in article c5l86z e73 cbnewsj cb att com rdb1 cbnewsj cb att com ronald j deblock jr writes yes i saw a 200 turbo quattro wagon on i 287 in nj on monday i thought audi stopped selling wagons in the us after the 5000 this is exactly the type of vehicle i would like to own i bet its price is 4 5 times my car budget think again thanks to 60 minutes tick tick tick used 200 quattros are bargains 89s go for about 15k 90s go for perhaps 1 or 2k more the 20 valve 91s are quite a bit more because of an enormous hp and torque gain i think they go for about 23 to 25k if you can find one i have seen quite a lot of 89 90 200 quattros not that many wagons though at the dealer lot they use very high quality paint and the entire car is zinc galvanized so it will never rust in short typically a 4 yr old 200 looks no more older than a 1 year old and the 5 bangers are bullet proof engines 200k out of one is not rare even for a turbo which is watercooled for the 200s then there are aftermarket chips that you can buy to bump up turbo boost if you are into luxo gizmos the cars are loaded with just about everything too the price of parts is a different story though eliot windows mail order sales billing receivables program surely some one of you is familiar with what a mail order company goes through this company has only a few products but thousands of clients i need a sales billing and receivables program to handle the thing but i need to be able to customize it myself own the source etc anyone willing to sell me the basic stuff in any development language ill be willing to pay about 1 000 to it has to be ready now i need this sort of solution immediately with more time ill just develop one myself if you can have me a prototype in two weeks you can make some quick cash dixon berry i see the light cfdeb01 ux1 cts eiu edu at the end of the tunnel now eastern illinois university thanks bill clinton booth library someone please tell me computer resource center its not a train cracker baseball re how does a pitcher get a save in article 1993apr23 135139 18749 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902060 ariel yorku ca geoffrey e dias writes the subject line says it all what is the rule that qualifies a pitcher as making a save as far as i know a save opportunity is when it is 7th inning or beyond and the batter on deck can either tie or win the ball game for example if it is the bottom of the 8th inning and clemens is pithching the red sox are leading 4 1 and clemens has just givin up a hit so there is a man on first the batter and the batter on deck could tie the game with a homer if jeff russel came in the red sox reliever and finished the game without allowing the tieing or losing run to score he would get the save and clemens would get the win thats how i beleive it works hope i could help the cowboy guns re denver post yanks assault ads in article 1rco2qinn91q dns1 nmsu edu loki acca nmsu edu entropic destroyer writes the denver post supposed voice of the supposed rocky mountain empire ran the following in the firearms supplies classified heading on friday 23 april 1993 if you have an opinion about their new found wisdom i am told that the person to speak with is one mr walters 303 820 1267 notice the denver post will no longer knowingly accept any advertise ment to buy or sell assault weap ons the denver post finds that the use of assault weapons poses a threat to the health safety and security of its readers let em know what you think dan spooksmoke revolution assasination thorium cobalt 60 clintin cia nsa shc dod 202 loki acca nmsu edu liberty or death taylordf ucsu colorado edu send me something even you cant read begin pgp public key block version 2 2 mqcnaitfksqaaaeeakceejwi9f5kmjykp0logc5dghrpbmy2xhoo8kpehmdyuf8a 1bfdqsj53kostz6hroshsdzlvul1 40vpjmmntfr vyz4jvd3rl4iuq2ummmex3m itf3ult8xn v qabsvhcfshvjvk4lf6wosucmo03m2tix31ai7vb0uzo4yxjaaux tcreyw5pzwwgribuyxlsb3igpexva2laywnjys5ubxn1lmvkdt4 s5ib end pgp public key block ive seen lots of notes like these in various newspaper classified sections but then under hunting or sporting goods or outdoor or collectors classifications you see things like colt ar15 223 hunting rifle or galil 223 sporting arm stuff like that the newspaper gets to make its editorial statement plus they get the revenue anyway baseball re all time peak players in article 1993apr20 202808 11395 alleg edu luriem alleg edu michael lurie the liberalizer writes very interesting gehrig below bonds and schmidt ricky henderson he could steal bases but his hitting stats are not even close to dimmagios uhhhh where is winfield hendersons stats are probably closer to dimaggios than you think jim mann stratus computer jmann vineland pubs stratus com baseball re defensive averages 1988 1992 shortstop in article 1993apr17 200602 8229 leland stanford edu addison leland stanford edu brett rogers writes in article steph 735027990 pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes smith ozzie 742 717 697 672 664 0 701 the wizards 1988 is the second highest year ever still very good but i dont like the way his numbers have declined every year in a few years may be a defensive liability thats rich ozzie smith a defensive liability why do you suppose hes immune to the ravages of time hes 37 in a few years hell be 40 he doesnt get to as many grounders as he used to and will get to fewer still as his legs go as they do on every human so far remember willie mays was a defensive liability at he end of his career too ditto mickey mantle ditto just about everyone else who played into their late 30s roger brett rogers addison leland stanford edu medicine prozac can anyone help me find any information on the drug prozac i am writing a report on the inventors eli lilly and co and the product i need as much help as i can get thanks a lot adriana gilmete medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1qlgdrinn79b gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu writes in article 1993apr15 173902 66278 cc usu edu slyx0 cc usu edu writes surprise surprise different people react differently to different things one slightly off the subject case in point my brother got stung by a bee i know he is allergic to bee stings but that his reaction is severe localized swelling not anaphylactic shock i could not convince the doctors of that however because thats not written in their little rule book of course bee venom isnt a single chemical could be your brother is reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock in other people hmmm the last time i got stung by a bee i experienced the same reaction the first posters brother did we went off to the doctor to see if i should worry about the fact that my foot was now about 3 times its normal size and itched ow he basically said i shouldnt this time but that bee sting allergy was not something you tended to get aclimatized to but were something that each time got progressively worse generally and that next time could be the time i go into anaphylactic shock admittedly this was many years ago when i was young since then i just make sure i dont get stung i also should carry a bee sting kit with me but i dont this isnt scientific or proof but this would lead me to believe its not a different reaction just a different degree of reaction allergies work that way people have various reactions sort of like diabetes some people can get by with just monitoring their diet others have to monitor their diet and use insulin sometimes while others have to watch their diet like a hawk and use insulin regularly i think msg is probably similar some people have allergic reactions to it some people are allergic to fermented things and cant use soy sauce but the chinese have been using it for centuries that doesnt necessarily mean that its safe for everyone johanna turner reed edu cars re carb cleaners do they work performance carb rebuild in article 1993apr15 062557 1224 slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com dan day writes in article c5fyt4 jby cpsc ucalgary ca schaffer cpsc ucalgary ca doug schaffer writes how hard is a carb rebuild for moderately experienced backyard mechanic ive done my clutch and miscellaneous little engine fixes the hardest part is usually getting the darned thing off the intake manifold rebuilding a carb is fun if youre into things with lots of little parts i used to rebuild them for all my friends cars in high school so it doesnt take a phd buy a carb rebuilding kit from an auto supply store buy a gallon of the best carb cleaning solvent you can find do they still make tyme as a rule of thumb buy the one with the scariest warning labels put it into a metal bucket make yourself a dipping can by punching holes in the bottom of a coffee can and attaching a wire handle to it if the carb cleaner doesnt strip the paint right off the coffee can youre not using the right stuff use the can to soak the little stuff and just hang the big parts from a coat hanger wash them off with a garden hose wipe off excess water with paper towels and air dry then remember where all the little parts go follow the rebuild kits instructions concerning float height choke tension etc bolt it back on the engine and admire the super clean carb on the filthy engine heed this mans warnings if you get carb cleaner this strong on your hands your hands will be eaten away not pretty hence the dipping can method later chris behanna dod 114 1983 h d fxwg wide glide jubilees red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer now why would nec 1991 zx 11 needs a name agree with any of this anyway i was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu the lawnmowerman writes in article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes genocidal mass slaughter of innocent people besides there are nine survivors in the burn unit of the local hospital and was reported that david was in one of the towers when the shit hit the fan besides a majority of these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit sp also someone should have told david and his followers that if they cant the heat then they should stay out of the kitchen pun intended i guess you need to be reminded of some things have you ever heard of the first amendment i guess not it isnt a crime to be a religous i know you said sacraligious but it isnt your place to judge his religion zealot in this country remember we have freedom of religion in this country i guess you are selective in that respect so what if they were bastard children they were children do you condone their deaths i pray for your lack of a soul if you do john b meaders jr gun control is being able to hit your target 8820 southwestern blvd 1103 dallas tx 75206 voicemail 214 750 0273 uucpmail karnak johnm internet johnm karnak lonestar org medicine resound hearing aids and others i have a fairly severe high frequency hearing loss a recent rough test showed a gently sloping loss to 10 20db down at 1000cps then it falls off a cliff to 70 80dbs down from 1500cps on this type of loss is difficult to fit i am currently using some old siemens behind the ear aids which keep me roughly functional but leave a lot to be desired recently i had an opportunity to test the widex q8 behind the ear aids for several weeks these have four independent programs which are intended to be customized for different hearing situations and can be reprogramed i found them to be a definite improvement over my current aids and was about to go ahead with them until another local outfit advertised a free trial of another programmable system called resound unfortunately i was only able to try the resound aids in their office for about 30 minutes and i couldnt compare them head to head with the widex nevertheless it did appear to me that they were superior and i was impressed by what i was able to read about the theory behind them which i will give in a separate posting they also carry the widex aids and had one patient presumably wealthy who decided to go ahead and get the resound even though he had purchased the widex only 6 months ago the problem is that the resound aids are about twice as expensive as the widex and other programmable aids i could take a trip to europe on the difference being a lover of bargains and hating to spend money i am having a hard time persuading myself to go with the resounds i would appreciate any opinions on this and other hearing aids and projections about when and if i might see improvements in technology that arent quite so expensive rich haller rhaller ns uoregon edu university of oregon eugene or usa guns re aclu was re waco shootout jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes in article 1993mar31 140529 10843 news cs indiana edu paul hager hagerp cs indiana edu writes as an old post of mine came up in a collection of posts about the aclus position on gun control i would like to note that my own position has been evolving but im still not sure how to answer the question does the 2nd allow me to have my own nuclear device the second amendment does not prohibit it but it can probably be argued that there is no way you can operate one without severely impacting on the safety and rights of others and so might not be permitted on that basis the existence of the weapon in and of itself and this is also true for biologics and chemical weapons but for slightly different reasons poses a threat to living critters can you say neutron and other radiation flux due to radioactive decay boys and girls aaron arc cco caltech edu windows re ami pro 3 0 and pctools compress doesnt like being moved sorry about that dont want to alarm anyone i dont think there is any correlation between the crashes and pctools i reinstalled ami pro and ran compress again with no problems i think problems may have been related to filling my disk until it had 0 bytes left while ftping although i would think it wouldnt matter since ami pro wasnt running at the time and i made space available immediately anyways but whatever the cause it is working now derek windows sigma designs video sound card does anyone out there use a sigma designs video sound card the model is called win storm pc they also have one model the legend 24lx any info on these like performance and compatibility or even problems encountered will be appreciated thanks srini w seetharam medicine should patients read package inserts pdr in article 1993mar29 113528 930 news wesleyan edu rginzberg eagle wesleyan edu ruth ginzberg writes hmmmm heres one place where i really think the patient ought to take more responsibility for him or herself there is absolutely no reason why you cant ask the pharmacist filling the prescription for the physicians package insert for the medication when you pick it up at the pharmacy make sure to tell the pharmacist that you want the physicians package insert not the if people are going to do this i really wish they would tell me first id be happy to go over the insert in the pdr with them and explain everything all too many patients read the insert and panic and then on the next visit sheepishly admit they were afraid to take the drug and we are starting over again at square one some of them probably didnt even come back for followup because they didnt want to admit they wouldnt take the drug or thought i was trying to kill them or something what people dont understand about the inserts is that they report every adverse side effect ever reported without substantiating that the drug was responsible the insert is a legal document to slough liability from the manufacturer to the physician if something was to happen if patients want to have the most useful and reliable information on a drug they would be so much better off getting hold of one of the ama drug evaluation books or something similar that is much more scientific there are very few drugs that someone hasnt reported a death from taking patients dont realize that and dont usually appreciate the risks to themselves properly im sure herman is going to go ballistic but so be it another problem is that probably most drugs have been reported to cause impotence half the males who read that will falsely assume it could permanently cause them to lose sexual function and so will refuse to take any drug like that this can be a real problem for pdr readers there needs to be some way of providing patients with tools geared to them that allow them to get the information they need i am involved in a research project to do that with migraine as the domain it involves a computer system that will provide answers to questions about migraine as well as the therapy prescribed for the patient for common illnesses such as migraine and hypertension this may help quite a bit the patient could spend as much time as needed with the computer and this would then not burden the physician clearly physicians in large part fail to answer all the questions patients have as is demonstrated over and over here on the net where we get asked things that the patients should have found out from their physician but didnt why they didnt isnt always the physicians fault either sometimes the patients are afraid to ask they wont be as afraid to ask the system we hope gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon medicine re can men get yeast infections in article noringc5fnx2 2v2 netcom com noring netcom com jon noring writes in article tammy vandenboom launchpad unc edu tammy vandenboom writes heres a potentially stupid question to possibly the wrong news group but can men get yeast infections spread them what kind of symptoms similar as womens i have a yeast infection and my husband who is a natural paranoid on a good day is sure hes gonna catch it and keeps asking me what its like im not sure what his symptoms would be the answer is yes and no im sure others on sci med can expand on this jon i know from personal experience that men can get yeast infections i get rather nasty ones from time to time mostly in the area of the scrotum and the base of the penis theyre nowhere near as dangerous for me as for many women but goddamn does it hurt in the summertime even in the wintertime when i sweat i get really uncomfy down there the best thing i can do to keep it under control is keep my weight down and keep cool down there shorts in 60 degree weather that kind of thing and of course some occasional sun lost boy religion re rosicrucian order s in a previous article sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik says well it depends how you look at it if you are interested i might find out what the latest status is in this legal battle kent please do and if you dont want to post it here email to me i dont know how this discussion is appreciated here i hate invading newsgroups with themes of limited interest tony medicine re info colonics and purification in article 80651 cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes not everything that goes in comes out and personaly i dont mind giving my body a hand once in a while just my experience george paap ive got a very nice collection of historical books on medical quackery and on the topic of massage this is a recurring theme ordinary massage is intended to make a person feel better especially if they have muscular or joint problems but like chiropracty there are some practitioners who take the technique to a far extreme invoking what seems to me to be quack science to justify their technique in the case of massage there is a technique called deep abdominal massage in which the masseur is literally attempting to massage the intestines the notion is that undigested food adheres to the inner surface of the intestines and putrifies releasing poisons which cause various disease syndromes by this vigorous and painful procedure it is alleged that these deposits can be loosened up and passed out i just cant believe this idea has any truth behind it the human intestine is not a new york city sewer pipe and even if it were you eat half of a small box of triscuits and there aint gonna be nothin sticking to the inner surface of your intestine mark this is the most reasonable post that ive seen in sci med on the topic of colonic flushing im in a profession that uses manipulation a very refined form of massage to treat various human diseases proving that manipulation works has been extremely difficult as the mds delight in pointing out the osteopathic profession seems to be making better progress than the chiropractors in proving scientifically that their techingues work the jaoa recently had a study on the use of manipulation to relieve mensrual cramps in women with results that were as good or better than drug treatment using physiological measurements and not just the womans preception of improvement this study was hailed by the jaoa editors as the turning point in the professions long struggle to prove itself to the medical community im currently trying to get the aoa american osteopathic association which has supported most of the osteopathic research in the u s to also support nutrition education and research ive pointed out in a grant proposal that the founder of osteopathic medicine a t still embraced both diet and manipulation to set himself apart from the mds of his time who were pushing only drugs still was himself an md who got real dissillusioned with drugs during his service in the civil war he decided that there had to be a better way to treat human disease since he saw the cure drugs as being worse than the disease through his many years of study of the human body he developed his manipulation techniques that he then taught to his students in the u ss first osteopathic medical school we now have 17 still used manipulation to treat and also diagnose human disease but he used diet to prevent human disease im trying to get the osteopathic profession to return to its roots and beat the mds to the punch so to speak both dos and mds in current medical practice have very little understanding of how diet affects human health this has to change martin banschbach ph d professor of biochemistry and chairman department of biochemistry and microbiology osu college of osteopathic medicine you are what you eat cars re manual shift bigots eliot lanmola engr washington edu eliot writes in article c5liw2 cax news rich bnr ca peon w o email eric youngblood writes in article 1qn2lo c9s vela acs oakland edu mje pookie pass wayne edu michael j edelman writes the big disadvantage of automatics is the 10 hp they consume that never gets to the wheels in this respect they are at a disadvantage to a manual only when the torque converter is not locked up there are autos out there with converter lock up in 2nd 3rd and 4th gears w r t performance converter lockup is purely irrelevant the lockup only occurs at light throttle settings and serves only to improve mpg mind you a converter clutch does a lovely job of improving mpg but the additional mechanical advantage of the converter gives you more acceleration vs locked converter clutch than its inherent losses take away michael t chaffee mchaffee ux4 cso uiuc edu email mchaffee sumter cso uiuc edu nextmail sig under construction excuse cars does a car wash hurt the cars finish can taking the car to a car wash hurt the cars finish and if so is it better to hand wash it about once a month or just take it to the car wash anyway are detailing places worth the money if i do a good careful job on washing and waxing is a detail place going to be worth it reply to my email address pfk1 crux1 cit cornell edu pk4 my views reflect cornells sue them dry baseball skydome tix my schedule is flexible so any games are candidates ac though id prefer to see texas hi tony i think that i might be able to help you out the rangers are here in toronto thursday july 8th through sunday july 11th and tickets should not be hard to find if you order them far enough in advance although i dont have a ticket brokers telephone number off hand if you give me a couple of days i will be able to get a hold a of a couple the blue jays ticket info is 416 341 1111 or if you want to order by credit card call 416 341 1234 if you let me know when you want the tickets i can save you a possible long distance call if all else fails i might be able to pull a few strings and get you a pair let me know whats happening drew carley toronto canada deluxe 1 25 2177 go away or i shall taunt you a second time canada remote systems toronto ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044 religion is it good that jesus died brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes brian kendig writes if you can explain to me why the death of jesus was a good thing then i would be very glad to hear it and you might even convert me be warned however that ive heard all the most common arguments before and they just dont convince me ask jesus himself he himself said why in john 12 23 32 it isnt a mystery to anyone and there certainly is no need for a persuasive argument read jesuss own reply to your question john 12 24 26 most assuredly i say to you unless a grain of wheat falls onto the ground and dies it remains alone but if it dies it produces much grain he who loves his life will lose it and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life if anyone serves me let him follow me and where i am there my servant will be also if anyone serves me him my father will honor why would i want an eternal life if i hate this one if we were created by a deity why would that deity not wish us to enjoy what he has given us why would i want to live forever the challenge in my life is that i will die and that i must give my life the meaning i wish it to have before that happens my time is here and will someday pass i will be content to live on in the memories of my friends and once they too are dead then i will no longer have any reason to exist in short even if your deity does exist that doesnt automatically mean that i would worship it i am content to live my own life and fend for myself so when i die i can be proud of the fact that no matter where i end up it will be because of my actions and my choices if your god decides to toss me into a flaming pit for this then so be it i would much rather just cease to exist but if your god wants my respect and my obedience then it had better earn these and if it does then they will be very strong and true jesus gives more reasons in john 16 7 but one obvious reason why jesus died and as with everything else it has nothing do with his punishment was that he could rise to life again so that we would stop doubting and believe john 21 27 the fact that jesus rose from the dead is my hope that i too will rise from the dead it is an obvious point do not overlook it without this obvious point i would have no hope and my faith would be vanity jesus wasnt the only one who rose from the dead i think it was osiris who did the same as well as a few characters from greek or norse legend if memory serves but still why would i want to rise from the dead why do you want to why did jesus suffer in his death again ask jesus jesus says why in john 15 18 25 thats no mystery either the world hates him without reason it is a direct proclamation of how far we humans botch things up and thus how much we need a saviour if your god wants to win my devotion then it knows what it can do provide some way for me to believe without having to resort to blind faith that could be applied equally well to any religion and why cant you brian k accept this how can you the world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows him john 14 17 thats precisely it i neither see nor know zeus either nor odin shall i offer them the same devotion i offer jesus the animosity and the lack of knowledge that comes out in your twistings of roberts daily verses is very convincing testimony of the truth of john 14 17 and 16 25 youve got to understand my point of view i see christians spouting bible verse all the time as if it were some sort of magic spell that will level all opposition truth is its not robert has never demonstrated that he actually understands what the verses imply he just rattles them off day by day some brazenly fly in the face of common sense and reality and i point these out where i can but even more than that even when christians do try to explain the verses in their own words they do so from a christian point of view which is that every human being would want to be a christian if only he or she understood the christian message properly and then all strife and suffering on the earth would end heres the problem with that substitute moslem or buddhist or satanist instead of christian and it means the same thing christanity is a very nice belief set around a very nice book but if you want to make me believe that it has any bearing on the real world youve got some convincing to do i pray and hope that i do blurt out such animosity and lack of knowledge i am not perfect either but regardless of that i thank god that jesus revealed himself to me without whom id also be bumbling about blindly though arrogantly slandering the very person who created me and who loves me and in my opinion youre bumbling about blindly making up entities where there arent any and depriving yourself of a true understanding and enjoyment of your life as long as you keep your beliefs to yourself ill keep my beliefs to myself but as soon as you start waving them around expect me to toss in my opinions too brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau windows adobe 3 0 and adobe 2 0 i wanted to create a postcript file with win 1 to print it on a laserwriter ii it created a postcript file version adobe 3 0 but our laser accept only adobe 2 0 how resolve this problem thanks medicine investigating phenylanine resinfo research and information is currently seeking contact in the united kingdom with researchers of phenylanine or is this amino acid uninspiring resinfo is not a regular subscriber to sci med due to the excessive load of data and regrettably our limited ability to monitor it would therefore be appreciated if replies could be sent direct to resinfo resinfo demon co uk using the ref mr t a t windows dos 6 eid b486 85210000 i have a 120 mb hard drive what should i set the compression ratio at using doss double disk do i have to format erase everything to double the full 120 mb to 240 can i just make a mirror of my hard drive thanx 4 the help darren lavallee wm v2 08 92 0279 origin 705 256 csrn 35 000 files 6 lines internet usenet 1 1 222 medicine re krillean photography reply to todamhyp charles unlv edu brian m huey i think thats the correct spelling kirilian the picture will show energy patterns or spikes around the object photographed and depending on what type of object it is the spikes or energy patterns will vary one might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within the universe as we know it has its own energy signature there turned out to be a very simple conventional explanation for the phenomenon i cant recall the details but i believe it had to do with the object between the plates altering the field because of purely mechanical properties like capacitance the aura was caused by direct exposure of the film from variations in field strength david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell guns re proper gun control what is proper gun control in l a the first recorded survivor of a 357 shot to the heart that lady not only killed her attacker but chased him down to do it all four of her shots fired after she had been shot struck the perp atta girl the bullet entered her on a downward angle went through the apex of her heart down through the diaphragm clipped her liver and destroyed her spleen it then exited her back leaving a tennis ball sized hole she died about six times on the operating table but was out of the hospital in 15 days and was back on full duty in eight months she was off duty at the time and not wearing her vest she was on her way home so happened to have her gun no she doesnt think civilians should have the same rights sigh well if police think they are so special that only they are worthy of self defense perhaps we start putting the arm on police maybe we should start demanding that police are only police when on duty that after that they are just like the ordinary disarmed helpless chumps they consider civilians lets prohibit arms carrying by police when off duty or if they make the assertion that well i need to maintain my gun lets make it regulation that they can carry an unloaded firearm home that its only fair that they be just as helpless as poor schmuck coming home from his computer operator job nra director ex san jose cop leroy pyle states in the latest swat magazine that anti cops better watch out for this schism between rkba folks and the police he asks the rhetorical question of what if whats left of the gun lobby starts demanding the disarmament of the police well i guess anti gun cops who think only they should be armed along with the wealthy and politically connected should be made to realize that screwing can cut in ways they have yet to imagine medicine re food related seizures in article 1993apr17 184305 18758 spdcc com dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes newsgroups sci med path news larc nasa gov saimiri primate wisc edu zaphod mps ohio state edu uwm edu cs utexas edu uunet think com hsdndev spdcc dyer from dyer spdcc com steve dyer organization s p dyer computer consulting cambridge ma references 20996 3049 uupcb factory com 79727 cup portal com date sat 17 apr 1993 18 43 05 gmt lines 18 in article 79727 cup portal com mmm cup portal com mark robert thorson writes i remember hearing a few years back about a new therapy for hyperactivity which involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring and flavoring from the diet the theory which was backed up by interesting anecdotal results is that certain people are just way more sensitive to these chemicals than other people i dont remember any connection being made with seizures but it certainly couldnt hurt to try an all natural diet yeah the feingold diet is a load of crap children diagnosed with add who are placed on this diet show no improvement in their intellectual and social skills which in fact continue to decline of course the parents who are enthusiastic about this approach lap it up at the expense of their childrens development so much for the value of interesting anecdotal results people will believe anything if they want to steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer thanks for all the interest in this problem of mine i dont think it is a reaction to sugar or junk food per se since kathryn has never shown any signs of hyperactivity or changes in behavior in response to food she has always been very calm and dare i say a neat smart kid the fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made by kellogs makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to something in the coating or the cereals of the four of us in our immediate family kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever running nose itchy eyes etc but we have a lot of allergies in our family history including some weird food allergies nuts mushrooms anyway our next trip is to an endocrinologist to check out the body chemistry but so far no more sugar coated cereals and no more seizures either every day that goes by without one makes me heave a sigh of relief thanks again sharon paulson s s paulson larc nasa gov nasa langley research center bldg 1192d mailstop 156 work 804 864 2241 hampton virginia 23681 home 804 596 2362 guns denver post classifieds no assault weapons i came across the following notice in the denver post classified secction this morning april 26 1993 begin quote notice the denver post will no longer knowingly accept any advertisement to buy or sell assault weapons the denver post finds that the use of assault weapons poses a threat to the health safety and security of its readers end quote now i suppose the post is within its rights to refuse such ads however the second sentence is so noxious i feel compelled to bring it to the attention of the t p g c g readership i called the post classified number 825 2525 and expressed my displeasure according to the supervisor i spoke to the post was reacting to public complaints regarding the running of assult weapon ads however she said the paper was keeping track of the reaction to the change in policy i strongly encourage denver post readers to call and make their feelings known eric e snyder department of mcd biology making feet for childrens shoes university of colorado boulder boulder colorado 80309 0347 medicine re cant wear contacts after rk prk in article 1993apr16 063425 163999 zeus calpoly edu dfield flute calpoly edu infospunj dan field writes i love the faq the comment about contact lenses not being an option for any remaining correction after rk and possibly after prk is interresting why is this does anyone know for sure whether this applies to prk as well also why is it possible to get a correction in prk with involvement of only about 5 of the corneal depth while rk is done to a depth of up to 95 why such a difference in myopia the cornea is too curved there is too much of a bulge in the center in prk the laser removes a small amount of material from the center in rk the surgeon cuts incisions near the edge they heal and the scarring reshapes the cornea entirely different mechanisms and the action is in a different place dk medicine re antihistamine for sleep aid in article 1993apr29 052044 23918 nmt edu houle nmt edu paul houle writes anyway i am looking for advice for the use of antihistamines as sleep aids and if there are any dangers of such use seems safe to me since they are used chronically for allergies by millions i dont want to try bzs because bz addiction seems to be a serious threat and from what i hear bz sleep quality is not good whereas antihistamine sleep quality seems to be better for me i have tried some dietary tryptophan loading stuff and that also seems to lower sleep quality i seem to wake up around 4 00 or so and be in some kind of mental haze until 7 00 or 8 00 also i would be interested in any other advice for helping my problem although ive already tried many of the non pharmacological solutions antihistamines have been the active ingredient of otc sleep aids for decades go to any drugstore and look at the packages of such sleep aids as sominex nytol etc the active ingredient is diphenhydramine the same antihistamine thats in benadryl steven litvintchouk mitre corporation 202 burlington road bedford ma 01730 1420 fone 617 271 7753 arpa sdl mitre org uucp linus sdl windows control systems analysis package cosy pak v0 9 updated for mathematica announcing cosy pak a symbolic control systems analysis package version 0 9 no user fee release for mathematica version 2 0 or higher introduction cosy pak is set of packages and notebooks for classical control and some modern state space control analysis and design methods the notebooks in cosy pak follow a typical control engineering i course taught at many universities around the world for the junior senior level undergraduates there is no fee to use cosy pak but certain responsibilities are expected of the user see copyright notice in the readme file included below for starters e mail fax mail post the registration form included in the readme file cosy pak is available via anonymous ftp from mishna esys cwru edu internet no 129 22 40 23 in the pub directory p s a typical ftp session in unix is given after the readme file future releases if you would like to receive updates and newer versions of cosy pak please send e mail fax mail to the address below in addition your comments and suggestions are appreciated and are invaluable to us we will do our best to fix any reported bugs however we cannot fix those bugs that have not been reported to us and those we do not know of we would very much appreciate you taking a few minutes to communicate to us via e mail us mail telephone fax this will help us to release bug free versions in the future comments are welcome n sreenath systems engineering department case school of engineering case western reserve university e mail sree mishna cwru edu u s mail prof n sreenath tel 216 368 6219 systems engg crawford hall fax 216 368 3123 case western reserve univ cleveland oh 44106 7070 begin readme file no user fee release cosy pak a symbolic control systems analysis package version 0 9 for mathematica version 2 0 or higher by c k chen n sreenath systems engineering case school of engineering case western reserve university cleveland oh 44106 7070 e mail sree mishna cwru edu copyright copyright copyright 1992 by c k chen and n sreenath case western reserve university permission to use copy modify and distribute this software and its documentation for any purpose and without fee is hereby granted provided that the above copyright notice appear in supporting documentation and the name of the case western reserve university case school of engineering not be used in advertising or publicity pertaining to distribution of the software without specific without prior permission case western reserve university makes no representations about the suitability of this software for any purpose it is provided as is with out express or implied warranty acknowledgements support from cwru information and network services dr ray neff case alumni association the lilly foundation and the systems engineering department of case western reserve university is gratefully acknowledged special thanks to brian evans of georgia tech for all the help ftp cosy pak is available by anonymous ftp from mishna esys cwru edu internet no 129 22 40 23 a sample ftp session is given at the end of this file changes in version 0 9 update from v0 81 to v0 9 in this version we have revised cosy pak to take advantage of the more robust signal processing functions available in mathematica v2 1 since mathematica 2 1 provides a better and working laplacetransform and inverselaplacetransform functions than mathematica v2 0 did we adopted them this has made cosy pak smaller thus brian evans signal processing packages that supported the laplacetransform and inverselaplacetransform functions in the cosy pak v0 81 are no longer needed directly by cosy pak v0 9 for power users who use signal processing we still recommend the use of the very fine brian evans package on signal processing available at the anonymous ftp site gauss eedsp gatech edu or ip 130 207 226 24 on the downside the disadvantage of this update can be that mathematica 2 1 requires more runtime resources than its previous version for mathematica 2 0 users we have included the laplacetransform package from mathematica 2 1 in the directory for 2 0 please move all files and directory under for 2 0 into the calculus directory under mathematica packages directory introduction this is an unsupported release of cosy pak a control systems analysis package for symbolic control systems analysis using mathematica 2 1 classical control systems analysis and design methods and some modern control systems methods have been implemented in this package this package and the attendant notebooks were developed on a next tm computer a unix based workstation they have been used as a supplementary teaching aid along with standard control engineering texts ogata 1991 phillips and harbor 1991 for undergraduate courses in control engineering i taught at the systems engineering department of cwru in addition to the next they have also been tested successfully on apple macintosh computers tm and ibm pcs tm running ms windows tm we would be very much interested to hear from you if you or anybody you know uses this software on platforms not mentioned above ibm users however will have to evaluate the notebooks first to visualize the graphics once installed see below for instructions this collection of mathematica packages can be loaded by any user bundled with the packages are many notebooks cosy notes which demonstrate the functionality of these packages the notebooks follow a plan of many fine standard undergraduate control engineering text books listed in the references examples used in these notebooks have been collected from the various references given at the end of this file the contents of the notebooks in the cosy notes directory are given below begin cosy notes contents notebook file name 01 introduction ma chapter 1 introduction to control systems sections analyticity poles and zeros signals forward laplace transforms inverse laplace transforms differential equation with zero valued initial conditions differential equation with initial conditions notebook file name 02 math models ma chapter 2 mathematical modeling of dynamic systems sections ode to state space linearization of a nonlinear system of equations state space to transfer function notebook file name 03 transient response ma chapter 3 transient response analysis chapter split into three sub notebooks because of file size notebook file name 03 1 transient response ma sections time response analysis first order system second order system third order and higher order systems notebook file name 03 2 transient response ma sections first order system step response vs time const notebook file name 03 3 transient response ma sections second order system step response vs damping ratio notebook file name 04 steady state response ma chapter 4 steady state response sections rouths stability steady state error analysis notebook file name 05 root locus ma chapter 5 root locus analysis notebook file name 06 freq response ma chapter 6 frequency response analysis sections bode plot analysis magnitude vs phase plot nichols plot polar plot nyquist plot combined example notebook file name 07 state space ma chapter 7 state space methods sections introduction state transition matrix controllability observability output controllability pole placement design observer design time response using state space methods end notebook contents compressed files the files that contain a complete set of the cosy pak v0 9 packages and notebooks for mathematica are cosy pak 09 tar z compressed tar file for unix systems cosy pak 09 sit hqx compressed sit file for macintosh systems and encoded by binhex 4 0 format requires the shareware stuffit file v 1 5 1 or higher cosy pak ibm 09 zip zip file for the ibm pc running ms dos once expanded the mathematica files can also be used on macintosh ibm pc unix systems also installation of cosy pak o in unix command line type the following command zcat cosy pak 09 tar z tar xvf o in macintosh open the sit hqx file using the shareware stuffit v 1 5 1 or higher o in ibm command line type the following command pkunzip o d cosy pak ibm 09 zip note this zip file was zipped by zip utility v2 0 you must use pkunzip version 2 0 or higher to unzip it ibm pcs may limit the directory name characters to eight in that event type pkunzip o d cosy pak zip you can also unzip the cosy pak ibm 09 zip file on any unix machine if you have unzip utility on it uncompressing and untarring cosy pak 09 tar z or unzipping cosy pak ibm 09 zip will create a directory called cosy pak once the files are expanded you should see a single directory cosy pak containing the following three files four sub directories and their contents sub directories in cosy pak cosypak contains control tool box packages manual cosy pak manual in ps rtf txt and wn formats cosy notes contains notebooks for 2 0 contains laplace transform package from mathematica 2 1 for mathematica 2 0 users files in directory cosypak chap1 m chap2 m chap3 m chap4 m chap5 m chap6 m chap7 m files in directory cosy notes 01 introduction ma 02 math model ma 03 1 transient response ma 03 2 transient response ma 03 3 transient response ma 04 steady state response ma 05 root locus ma 06 freq response ma 07 state space ma files in directory for 2 0 laplacetransform m diracdelta m sub directories in cosy pak common files in directory common support m important the notebook example files ma files will be under the cosy notes directory to use the notebooks move the directory cosypak to a directory that mathematica can recognize locallibrary mathematica packages on a unix machine my harddisk mathematica packages on an apple macintosh c winmath packages on an ibm pc at the beginning of the initialization cell of each notebook in cosy notes directory we list the example about how to make mathematica identify the directory initialization of path example for a unix machine default path join path locallibrary mathematica packages example for an apple macintosh path join path my harddisk mathematica packages example for ibm pc path join path c winmath packages change the pathname according to your machine by removing the mathematica comment sign and before and after path setting this command makes mathematica recognize the directory locallibrary mathematica packages on a unix machine my harddisk mathematica packages on a apple macintosh c winmath packages on an ibm pc mathematica 2 0 users we include the laplacetransform package from mathematica 2 1 in the directory for 2 0 please move all files and directory under for 2 0 into the calculus directory under mathematica packages directory getting started after installation start mathematica and open the notebooks in the cosy notes directory all notebooks load their own packages navigate in the notebooks and enjoy ibm users however will have to evaluate the notebooks to visualize the graphics user responsibilities we request you to take a few minutes and fill out the information below and mail it to us by e mail fax u s mail this will help us to keep your abreast of the improvements and release new versions of cosy pak suggestions for improvements are welcome cut here your name organization title e mail postal address comments suggestions cut here mail this information to e mail fax u s mail internet sree mishna cwru edu u s mail prof n sreenath tel 216 368 6219 systems engg crawford hall fax 216 368 3123 case western reserve univ cleveland oh 44106 7070 report bugs please report bugs and leave comments to the address above any suggestion for improvements and criticism are welcome we will do our best to fix any reported bugs however we cannot fix those bugs that have not been reported to us and those we do not know of we would very much appreciate you taking a few minutes to communicate to us via e mail us mail telephone fax this will help us to release bug free versions in the future disclaimer and future releases this software is the property of the case western reserve university use this software at your own risk we make no express or implied warranty the packages and the notebooks can also be made to run under mathematica versions 2 0 or lower with modification we do not guarantee the outcome documentation cosy pak functions are indexed in the files in the manual directory according the chapters usage is illustrated in notebooks residing in cosy notes directory if your computer does not support notebooks find a macintosh computer and acquire mathreader which is a public domain notebook reader mathreader will at least allow you to peruse notebooks but you will not be able to evaluate any code fragments references dorf r c modern control systems sixth edition addison wesley new york 1992 fortmann t e and hitz k l an introduction to linear control systems marcel dekker 1977 franklin g f powell d j and emami naeini a feedback control of dynamic systems second edition addison wesley new york 1991 kuo b c automatic control systems sixth edition prentice hall new jersey 1990 ogata k modern control engineering second edition prentice hall new jersey 1991 phillips c l and harbor r d feedback control systems second edition prentice hall new jersey 1991 end readme file typical ftp session ftp mishna esys cwru edu connected to mishna 220 mishna ftp server version 5 20 next 1 0 sun nov 11 1990 ready name mishna esys cwru edu sree anonymous password ftp cd pub ftp binary ftp ls 200 port command successful 150 opening ascii mode data connection for file list cosy pak 09 tar z cosy pak ibm 09 zip index readme places wmd cosy pak untar 226 transfer complete 78 bytes received in 0 seconds 15 35 kbytes s ftp get cosy pak 09 tar z 200 port command successful 150 opening binary mode data connection for cosy pak 09 tar z 460822 bytes 226 transfer complete local cosy pak 09 tar z remote cosy pak 09 tar z 460822 bytes received in 1 33 seconds 3 38e 02 kbytes s ftp quit 221 goodbye windows re can i change licensed to data in windows 3 1 this is in relation to a question concerning changing the registered to information of ms windows in a previous article 2a42dubinski vms csd mu edu wrote ahh yes this is a fun topic no once the name is incribed on the disk that is it it is encoded not even a hex editor will find it you can write over the licensed to but you cant change the name underneth it i i can find it with a hex editor although i have not tried to overwrite it are you sure it cant be you may be mistaken about this rob rmohns vax clarku edu windows gui application frameworks for windows hello im investigating the purchase of an object oriented application framework i have come across a few that look good zapp 1 1 from inmark zinc 3 5 from zinc software c views from liant win from blaise some considerations im using being new to windows programming im from the unix x world the quality and intuitivness of the abstraction that these class libraries provide is very important however since im not adverse to learning the internals of windows programming the new programming methodology should be closely aligned with the native one i dont believe arbitrary levels of abstraction just for the sake of changing the api are valuable since we will be developing for the 32bit windows nt system the memory management issues and issues particular to the windows 3 1 api are less important we will probably buy another c class library something like tools h or booch components from rational to handle data structures and other miscellaneous stuff allocators etc so those features are not that important for this toolkit to have the two that i have narrowed it down to are zapp and zinc they seem to be the two toolkits that have received the most attention from the media i was wondering if anyone had any first hand experience with any of these toolkits especially zapp and zinc a couple of observations about these toolkits that seem particularly noteworthy are zapp seems to have the most extensive coverage of windows functionality and also includes some other miscellaneous useful classes has new fancy 3d style controls available and support for custom controls has a windows nt version essential redirectable graphics display output architecture useful for printing sizer class for automatically managing control layout after resize seems to be the newcomer this could be an advantage in designing a better system zinc has a platform independent resource strategy not too important for me right now comes with a interface builder tool has a windows nt version essential seems to have been around longer more mature but grew up out of a dos version had a better demo both have source code availability options both are lacking ole support neither seem to have any particular support for multimedia type stuff any thoughts anyone has on this would be much appreciated thanks brett harper brett harper cimlinc com baseball yanks royals box score i need the box score from the april 15 game i believe the score was 5 to 4 if anyone can provide it for me i would appreciate it joseph a guastella jr u s long distance mkt rep 523 dewitt 210 533 8318 9311 san pedro suite 300 san antonio tx 78204 san antonio tx 78216 jguastel lonestar utsa edu 800 460 8753 ext 395 medicine med school actually i am entering vet school next year but the question is relevant for med students too memorizing large amounts has never been my strong point academically since this is a major portion of medical education anatomy histology pathology pharmacology are for the most part mass memorization i am a little concerned as i am sure most med students are can anyone suggest techniques for this type of memorization i have had reasonable success with nemonics and memory tricks like thinking up little stories to associate unrelated things but i have never applied them to large amounts of data has anyone had luck with any particular books memory systems or cheap software can you suggest any helpful organizational techniques being an older student who returned to school this year organization another one of my weak points has been a major help to my success please no griping about how all you have to do is learn the material conceptually i have no problem with that it is one of my strong points but you cant get around the fact that much of medicine is rote memorization thanks for your help medicine re good grief was re candida albicans what is it dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes in article noringc5snsx kmo netcom com noring netcom com jon noring writes there is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists theres a lot of evidence it just hasnt been adequately gathered and published in a way that will convince the die hard melancholic skeptics who quiver everytime the word anecdote or empirical is used snort ah there go my sinuses again for example dr ivker who wrote the book sinus survival always gives oh wow a classic textbook hey they laughed at einstein too before any other treatment a systemic anti fungal such as nizoral to his new patients if theyve been on braod spectrum anti biotics 4 or more times in the last two years hes kept a record of the results and for over 2000 patients found that over 90 of his patients get significant relief of allergic sinus symptoms of course this is only the beginning for his program yeah ill bet tomorrow the world listen uncontrolled studies like this are worthless in my case as i reported a few weeks ago i was developing the classic symptoms outlined in the yeast connection i agree it is a poorly written book e g extreme sensitivity to plastics vapors etc which i never had before started in november within one week of full dosage of sporanox the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared i can now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes im also greatly improved in other areas as well im sure you are you sound like the typical hysteric hypochondriac who responds to miracle cures of course i have allergy symptoms etc i am especially allergic to molds yeasts etc it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body and you have a natural allergy to yeasts that a threshold would be reached where you would have perceptible symptoms yeah it makes sense to me so of course it should be taken seriously snort also yeast do produce toxins of various sorts and again you dont have to be a rocket scientist to realize that such toxins can cause problems in some people yeah it sounds reasonable to me of course the 60 000 question is whether a person who is immune compromised as tests showed i was from over 5 years of antibiotics nutritionally deficiencies because of the stress of infections and allergies etc oh really what tests immune compromised my ass more like credulous malingerer this is a psychiatric syndrome can develop excessive yeast colonization somewhere in the body it is a tough question to answer since testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy one almost has to take an empirical approach to diagnosis fortunately sporanox is relatively safe unlike past anti fungals still have to be careful however so theres no reason any longer to withhold sporanox treatment for empirical reasons you know its a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused in this way its ridiculously expensive and potentially toxic the trouble is that it isnt toxic enough so it gets abused by quacks btw some would say to try nystatin unfortunately most yeast grows hyphae too deep into tissue for nystatin to have any permanent affect youll find a lot of people who are on nystatin all the time the only good thing about nystatin is that its relatively cheap and when taken orally non toxic but oral nystatin is without any systemic effect so unless it were given iv it would be without any effect on your sinuses i wish these quacks would first use iv nystatin or amphotericin b on people like you that would solve the yeast problem once and for all in summary i appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep medicine on the right road but methinks that some who hold too firmly to the party line are academics who havent been in the trenches long enough actually treating patients if anybody doctors included said to me to my face that there is no evidence of the yeast connection i cannot guarantee their safety for their incompetence ripping off their lips is justified as far as i am concerned perhaps a little haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating your symptoms are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket id hate to think my insurance premiums are going towards this steve dyer dyer youre rude medicine is not a totallly scientific endevour its often practiced in a disorganized manner most early treatment of non life threatening illness is done on a guess hazarded after anecdotal evidence given by the patient its an educated guess by a trained person but its still no more than a guess its cheaper and simpler to medicate first and only deal further with those people who dont respond there are diseases that havent been described yet and the root cause of many diseases now described arent known read a book on gastroenterology sometime if you want to see a lot of them after scientific methods have run out then its the patients freedom of choice to try any experimental method they choose and its well recognized by many doctors that medicine doesnt have all the answers this person said that they had relief by taking the medicine maybe its a miracle cure maybe its valid how do you know you might argue with the reasoning the conclusions but your disparaging attack is unwarranted why dont you present an convincing argument for you r beliefs instead of wasting our time in an ad hominem attack jackie guns re blast them next time in article 1r19l9 7dv usenet ins cwru edu oldham ces cwru edu daniel oldham writes what happened in waco is not the fault of the batf if they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened the batf needs more people better weapons and more armored transports when they meet hostile fire they should be able to use more force instead of retreating to a stand off if you are going to do a job then do it right the batf is there to protect us and they must have the proper equipment and people to do the job with the wod and the increased crime in the streets the batf is needed more now then ever if they blast away a few good fokes then that is the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country look at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country of ours with the arms build up in waco they needed to hit that compound with mega fire power they could of gone in there blasting and killed a few women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn to death 51 days later i hope that you are in the way of the noble federal enforcers and are blown away accidently by the governments goons you would cheer the death to 25 childern this is the sort of person who served as a death camp guard rod anderson n0nzo the only acceptable substitute boulder co for brains is silence rcanders nyx cs du edu solomon short satellite n0nzo on ao 16 religion ignorance is bliss was is it good that jesus died in article sandvik 170493104859 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes ignorance is not bliss ignorance is strength help spread the truth of ignorance windows re please refresh on internet access to compuserve cheong solomon technet sg scstech admin writes hi sometime ago there are some discussions on gaining compuserve access thru the internet but i seem to misplace those articles can someone please refresh me where which site i can telnet to to gain access hopefully i can download files as well this should be in the faq it only get asked about twenty times a month there is no thats right no telnet access to compuserve no ftp access no gopher access no internet services except e mail you can telnet to hermes merit edu but that routes you through sprintnet which is horrendously expensive tom gillman systems programmer aaaaagggghhhh wells computer center ga state univ any classic star trek security 404 651 4503 syshtg gsusgi2 gsu edu officer sometime during the show gsu doesnt care what i say on the internet why should you windows re mathcad 4 0 swap file baseball catch the fever scd ucar edu gregg walters writes i have 16mb of memory on my 386sx i have been running windows without a swap file for several months will mathcad 4 0 be happy with this or insist on a swap file presumeably you mean without a permanent swap file if windows needs a swap file it will upo and create one if a permanent one doesnt exist permanent is generally faster though i dont know why mathcad wouldnt be happy with either type ver 3 0 is and so should any program conforming to the win specification baseball re with a surge in the last two weeks watch us soar in 1993 shouldnt that be watch us stoned in 1993 or maybe watch us suck in 1993 or even watch us sore in 1993 matt montgomery no really i like the phillies guns crimestrike phoenix gazette editorial editorial a10 saturday april 24 1993 crimestrike hits town with the chilling reality of crime at the hands of urban terrorists that were noted above a high school student and gang article in the same column we welcome into the ranks of those dedicated to re moving criminals from the streets the national rifle associations new crimestrike project engineered by arizonas former chief assist ant attorney general steven j twist crimestrike is working to reverse the disturbing trend of daily crime it is promoting solutions that can be applied nationally including tough and honest sentencing of the sort that arizona is applying with its truth in sentencing law funding construction and staffing of appropriate prison space ensuring that the system is primed to punish serious youthful offenders strict attention to the rights of victims and citizen and community involvement phoenix will be the home for this national organization the gazette has vigorously opposed many nra policies on issues of gun control and will be resolute in promoting prudent laws that seek reasonable regulation of firearms but crimestrike is an appropriate creation a response to a clear need for more robust vigilance in holding legislators and judges ac countable when it comes to swiftly and surely punishing criminals when an organization has an issue it has an issue and crime strike has it especially when it is willing to direct its dollars to getting criminals off the street we say welcome to town religion re lds ricks reply robert weiss psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu writes rick anderson replied to my letter with ra in article c5elp2 l0c acsu buffalo edu ra psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu robert weiss says ra just briefly on something that you mentioned in passing you refer to differing interpretations of create and say that many christians may not agree so what that is really irrelevant we do not base our faith on how many people think one way or another do we the bottom line is truth regardless of popularity of opinions it may be irrelevant to you and your personal beliefs or should i say bias but it is relevant to me and many others youre right the bottom line is truth independant from you or anyone else since you proclaim truths as a self proclaimed appointee may i ask you by what authority you do this because it says so in the bible does the bible say so or is it you or someone else who interprets whether a scripture or doctrine conforms to your particular liking or disapproval excuse moi but your line of truths havent moved me one bit to persuade me that my beliefs are erroneous of all the preachers of truth on this net you have struck me as a self righteous member of the wrecking crew with no positive message to me or any other latter day saint btw this entire discussion reminds me a lot of the things said by jesus to the pharisees ye hypocrite s ye preach about me with your lips but your hearts are far removed from me also i find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created and eternally existent are equivalent you say granted the mormon belief you cant grant your conclusion and then expect the point to have been addressed in order to reply to the issue you have to address and answer the point that was raised and not just jump to the conclusion that you grant sophistry look whos talking jumping to conclusions you wouldnt do that yourself right all you address is your own convictions regardless whether we come up with any biblical scriptures which supports our points of view because you reject such interpretations without any consideration whatsoever the bible states that lucifer was created the bible states that jesus is the creator of all the contradiction that we have is that the lds belief is that jesus and lucifer were the same a beautiful example of disinformation and a deliberate misrepresentation of lds doctrine the former kgb would have loved to employ you jesus and lucifer are not the same silly and you know it the mormon belief is that all are children of god literally there is nothing symbolic about it this however contradicts what the bible says the bible teaches that not everyone is a child of god correction it may contradict would you think the bible says the bible indeed does teach that not all are children of god in the sense that they belong to or follow god in his footsteps satan and his followers have rebelled against god and are not children followers redeemed of god but it doesnt mean that they were not once created by god but chose to separate themselves from those who chose to follow god and his plan of salvation the field is the world the good seed are the children of the kingdom but the tares are the children of the wicked one matthew 13 38 so this illustrates nicely what i just said the children of the kingdom are those who have remained valiant in their testimony of jesus and have shown works of repentance etc and the children of the wicked one are those who rebelled against god and the lamb the issue of satans spirit origin and of those who followed him has not been addressed in this and other verses you copied from your bible you purposefully obscured the subject by swamping your right with non related scriptures lots of nice scriptures deleted not robert w copyrighted though ra we are told that and this is life eternal that they might know ra thee the only true god and jesus christ whom thou hast sent ra john 17 3 life eternal is to know the only true god yet the ra doctrines of the lds that i have mentioned portray a vastly ra different jesus a jesus that cannot be reconciled with the jesus of ra the bible they are so far removed from each other that to proclaim correction my jesus is indeed different than your jesus and can be reconciled with the jesus in the bible not your interpretation of him i concur but i honestly couldnt care less ra one as being true denies the other from being true according to the ra bible eternal life is dependent on knowing the only true god and ra not the construct of imagination in this single posting of yours ive seen more constructs of imagination than in all of the pro lds mails combined i have read so far in this news group first get your lds facts straight before you dare preaching to us about the only true god whom you interpret according to your own likes and dislikes but whose image i cannot reconcile with what i know about him myself i guess your grandiose self image does not allow for other faiths believing in the divinity of jesus christ but in a different way or fashion than your own not that it really matters the mission and progress of the lds church will go on boldly and nobly and no mob or opponent can stop the work from progressing until it has visited every continent swept every clime and sounded in every ear this is really a red herring it doesnt address any issue raised but rather it seeks to obfuscate the fact that some groups try to read something into the bible doesnt change what the bible teaches sigh what the bible teaches or what the bible teaches according to robert weiss and co i respect the former i reject the latter without the remotest feeling that i have rejected jesus on the contrary and by the way i do respect your interpretations of the bible i even grant you being a christian following your own image of him as much as i am a christian following my own image of him in my heart most of the other replies have instead hop scotched to the issue of bruce mcconkie and whether his views were official doctrine i dont think that it matters if mcconkies views were canon that is not the issue were mcconkies writings indicative of mormon belief on this subject is the real issue the indication from rick is that they may certainly be the issue is of course that you love to use anything to either mis represent or ridicule the lds church the issue of official doctrine is obviously very important mcconkies views have been controversial e g the seven deadly heresies has made me a heretic at best or erroneous at worst blacks not to receive the priesthood in this dispensation i respect him as someone who has made his valuable contribution to the church but i personally do not rely on his personal interpretations his book mormon doctrine is oftentimes referred to as mcconkies bible in mormon circles on mormon doctrine i rather look to official doctrinal sources and to hugh nibleys books the last comment is an lds insider reference summarizing mcconkie was a wise man who contributed undoubtedly far more to the kingdom of god than i have but whose views are by no means dogma or accepted doctrine some of it clearly belongs to personal interpretation and speculation but having said this i find mcconkie even in his most biased and speculative moments far more thought provoking than the trash coming from your proverbial pen im somewhat appalled that i have allowed myself to sink as low as you in this posting robert weiss psyrobtw ubvms cc buffalo edu casper c knies isscck byuvm bitnet brigham young university isscck vm byu edu ucs computer facilities guns re medical examiner says no evidence for bullet wounds either way dhartung chinet chi il us dan hartung writes apparently needing to clarify his comments from thursday dr nizam plawaby spelling the medical examiner for tarrant county texas who has authority in the waco deaths stated that since no autopsies had been performed there is no evidence for bullet wounds or evidence against bullet wounds janet reno also stated that she had never been told of bullet wounds by anyone in the justice department on the news from radio station kanu lawrence ks about 6 15 this monday morning i heard someone with a nasal sounding voice supposedly the waco coroner claim that he had found two persons killed with a single shot to the forehead myron we preserve our freedoms using four boxes soap ballot jury and cartridge myron a calhoun phd ee assoc professor 913 539 4448 home internet mac cis ksu edu 129 130 10 5 532 6350 work 532 7353 fax uucp rutgers depot mac packet bbs w0pbv k0vay neks ks usa naom windows suggestions for winforwg com redirection needed help i am trying to find software that will allow com port redirection under windows for workgroups can anyone out there make a suggestion or reccommend something i would really hate to have to write some driver for the serial port that would support the network but that is my next step thanks in advance bkv windows re windows for workgroups and lan workplace flint waters uwyo edu flint waters writes now does anyone know if it is possible to use w4wg and lan workplace for dos at the same time yup were using both and they work just fine hopefully someday wfwg will communicate over lwp tcpip right now we have to load netbeui i use odi with odinsup and all works well hey sounds great does that mean that w4wg works with odi i thought it uses ndis my problem is that lan workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my umbs so id hate to have to load many more drivers to make w4wg work along i read in a german computer magazine that tcp ip support for w4wg is just around the corner anybody have any news about this regards richard ps i possibly caused a dupe with this message if this message was spread twice outside of munich please send me a short note it would help me debug my news application dr richard spitz internet spitz ana med uni muenchen de edv gruppe anaesthesie tel 49 89 7095 3421 klinikum grosshadern fax 49 89 7095 8886 munich germany medicine re feverfew for migraines in article ltrdroinnltf exodus eng sun com brenda bookhouse eng sun com brenda bowden writes does anyone know about these studies or have experience with feverfew im skeptical but open to trying it if i can find out more about this what is feverfew and how much would you take to prevent migraines if this is a good idea that is are there any known risks or side effects of feverfew thanks in advance for any info brenda ive tried it and so has one friend of mine no known side effects or risks it didnt seem to work for us but several studies now have suggested it does work for many people so i think its worth a try you can find it in capsule form at health food stores up to six capsules a day was recommended if i remember correctly it can also be prepared as a tea good luck john baseball re lets play the name game san francisco quakes by the way quakes is the nickname for the padres affiliate in the california league the rancho cucamunga quakes guns re hb 1776 passes the texas house in a previous article dlb5404 tamuts tamu edu daryl biberdorf says from memory todays houston chronicle 27 april 1993 reported that hb 1776 passed in the texas house of representatives with approximately this is from memory 95 votes for and 45 votes against what does this bill do however in an effort to go into cya thats cover your ass mode they wrote the bill in such a way as to make the law subject to a statewide referendum in november however the paper reported that this is actually unconstitutional under the texas constitution which only allows referendums for constitutional amendments not for plain old laws if the court does not permit the referendum the bill will probably go into effect with little fanfare all of the above is subject to the texas senates voting for the bill as well time to start calling the state senators now daryl daryl biberdorf n5gjm d biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura mcd bill mcdonald le coeur a sas raisons que la raison ne st louis mo connait point the heart has its wm2237 rapa1 texbell sbc com reasons that reason cannot understand guns ma senate bills help two urgent requests 1 i need the latest update and description of ma bill s 897 from what i gather this bill takes the hunter safety courses from law enforcement and places them under fish game control 2 has someone out there compiled a list of all ma senate house bills under consideration if they have please e mail me the list if not is there a database i can access thanx yours in the fight mike p p s my wife and i thought nancy b was great on street stories mike procanik 617 466 4126 mjp1 gte com im the nra gte laboratories incorporated 40 sylvan road waltham ma 02154 guns deconcini ten years ago and today dennis deconcini 1982 in these and similar areas the bureau has violated not only the dictates of common sense but of 5 u s c sec 552 which was intended to prevent secret lawmaking by administrative bodies these practices amply documented in hearings before this sub committee leave little doubt that the bureau has disregarded rights guaranteed by the constitution and laws of the united states it has trampled upon the second amendment by chilling exercise of the right to keep and bear arms by law abiding citizens it has offended the fourth amendment by unreasonably search ing and seizing private property it has ignored the fifth amendment by taking private property without just compensation and by entrapping honest citizens with out regard for their right to due process of law the rebuttal presented to the subcommittee by the bureau was utterly unconvincing richard davis speaking on behalf of the treasury department asserted vaguely that the bureaus priorities were aimed at prosecuting willful violators particularly felons ille gally in possession and at confiscating only guns actually likely to be used in crime he also asserted that the bureau has recently made great strides toward achieving these priorities no documen tation was offered for either of these assertions in hearings before batfs appropriations subcommittee however expert evidence was submitted establishing that approximately 75 percent of batf gun prosecutions were aimed at ordinary citizens who had neither criminal intent nor knowledge but were enticed by agents into unknowning technical violations exerpt from 97th congress 2d session committee print t h e r i g h t t o k e e p a n d b e a r a r m s report of the subcommittee on the constitution of the committee on the judiciary united states senate ninety seventh congress second session february 1982 printed for the use of the committee on the judiciary u s government printing office 88 618 o washington 1982 letter to constituent april 1993 thank you for contacting me regarding the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms atf which is the federal law enforcement agency with jurisdiction over firearms violations and regulations it has been my experience as chairman of the appropriations subcommittee on treasury postal service and general government which funds atf that atf is one of the most competent and highly professional law enforcement agencies in the federal government the agents of atf have proven their value again and again in successful legal operations to curb the unlawful possession and use of firearms especially in the area of drug related crimes it enforces the armed career criminal act which calls for mandatory minimum sentences for repeat felons using firearms to carry out an illegal activity the bureau has made itself a key component in preventing gang related violence also both by educating at risk youth to the dangers of gang membership as well a s by depriving known gangs from access to weapons the waco texas case involved the execution of search warrants by atf on the branch davidians for illegal firearms and explosives possession automatics semi automatics and machine guns in addition to bombs and other explosives in virtually every gun case atf is asked to trace weapons through its national firearms tracing center where they keep all dealer and federal firearms license information atf is the federal governments firearms expert and routinely works with state and local police to execute warrants atf working with state and local law enforcement in texas and the u s attorneys office felt it was necessary to execute these warrants in order to legally establish that a crime had been committed and conclude a long and thorough investigation of illegal gun and explosives held by members of the branch davidians in addition atf carefully selected a sunday morning knowing from their source inside that the men would be separated from the women and children and not in the area where it was known that the illegal weapons were stored as you may be aware by now vernon howell a k a david koresh spiritual leader of the branch davidians was tipped of the impending execution of the search warrants unfortunately atf lost the element of surprise and the cult was able to arm themselves and prepare for atfs entry into the compound once a hostage situation presented itself the atf asked the fbi to become involved since the fbi is skilled in hostage negotiations in addition and military tanks were brought in due to the serious nature of the situation and firepower of the branch davidians based on what i have learned about atfs role in the branch davidian raid i believe the agency acted responsibly i am however deeply saddened by the loss of lives of the 4 law enforcement agents who attempted to enter the compound and the civilian members of the cult i fully expect the department of treasury to conduct a thorough evaluation with representatives from law enforcement outside the department to be headed by the assistant secretary for enforcement in addition atf will conduct its own review of the waco operation i look forward to reviewing the findings of the evaluators and hope this situation in waco will be brought to a quick and peaceful conclusion sincerely dennis deconcini chairman subcommittee on treasury postal service and general government april 7 1993 larry cipriani l v cipriani att com windows summary canon bj200 vs hp deskjet 500 hello again about a week and one half ago i posted a query looking for people feelings on the inkjet family of printers specifically a comparison between the canon bj200 bubblejet and the hewlett packard deskjet 500 many people asked me to post the summary account of all the postings and e mail i received below is my original query and the responses i received i have not deleted any part of the responses only the headers and signatures so you can extract what you find necessary some people asked me for an unbiased account however the very nature of the question suggests favoritism and biased comments you must extract the information you believe unbiased and a fair representation of each printer there are a wide range of comments each has its own value there was no clear winner some like the bj200 especially its price performance ratio others preferred the durability and reliability of the deskjet the original inkjet with proven drivers and a solid background two new inkjet printers have drawn some attention a new printer to be introduced by hewlett packard later this year around summertime and an addition to the epson product line their first inkjet you will find that after the initial purchase the costs of re filling or replacing the ink cartridges are about the same this largely depends on where you purchase the re fills or replacements so shop around first since this aspect will most likely dominate the cost of your printer no one mentioned approx how many sheets each ink cartridge will print but i suspect they are roughly equal at about 1000 1500 sheets laser printers will do 4000 5000 sheets per toner cartridge well thats a brief research summary of my personal research enjoy hello fellow netters i am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer i should purchase the canon bj200 bubblejet vs the hp deskjet 500 i thought rather than trust the salesperson i would benefit more from relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest potential and i figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls better than any salesperson now i would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 dpi of the canon bubblejet vs the hewlett packard deskjet 500 300 dpi which is faster is there a noticeable print quality difference particularly in graphics which will handle large documents better 75 pages or more any personal experience on either will be appreciated here which works better under windows 3 1 any driver problems etc cost of memory font packages toner cartridges etc basically your personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable both good and bad well i bought the bj 200 about a month ago at the start of their 50 rebate program on that printer it ends 5 31 and i bought it from computer discount warehouse because their price of 325 couldnt be beat anywhere i looked and i think its a hot printer just using regular copier paper produced fantastic results just in high quality mode i compared the output of a micrografx designer legal size drawing with 4pt type done on my bj 200 with the same drawing printed on an hp laserjet iid and i was amazed how well i could read the small print on the bj 200 printing speed was several seconds faster on the bj 200 which is amazing considering that the hp has 2 5m ram installed i measured the time from when the printer first indicated it was receiving data as i used print manager in windows i showed the output to several people at work and one manager bought one immediately for his office and two other engineers placed their orders too if you need cdws phone number its 800 598 4239 delivery to ny was two days good luck craig witkowski ceng51 maccvm corp mot com motorola communications electronics inc glen rock nj i own a deskjet 500 performance isnt spectacular under windows using truetype fonts but neither is the canon from what i have seen quality for the hp is very much dependent on paper quality on standard photo copy paper the characters have slightly frayed edges but on better quality distinction type paper things look better for most applications i find copy paper fine still better than dot matrix comes with a windows driver which seems to by pass print manager has a few intelli fontswhich are hp scaleable fonts probably faster than truetype but havent really tried them out can get ram font cartridges but unless the speed of truetype is a problem i wouldnt bother the ram cartridges cant be used as buffer soft fonts only for graphics i e bmp images etc the hp can be put into a dither mode via the hp supplied win driver there a number of dither options such as scatter pattern etc the manual gives recommendations depending on the type of image being printed text is not so good in this mode problem arises when you have a document which contains both graphic and text the range of tones for graphic images isnt brilliant but i think that is more of a limitation with inkjet printers in general from what i have seen the canon is similar in most respects however a printer definitely worth looking at is the new inkjet from epson this printer is faster cheaper and capable of producing laser like quality on normal copier paper cant remember the model lx something i think i purchased my hp days before the epson was released here the introductory price on the epson was the same as the hp here in new zealand about a month ago i got a canon bj200 i absolutely love it it is incredibly fast except for printing from pspice i dont know if you ever do stuff with that or not most of the stuff i print is either from microsoft word for windows or just plain text the only problems ive had are printing headers footers the printer freaked out and printing on cheap paper lots of streaks normal copy paper works great with it you can only tell its not laser printed by holding it oh less than twelve inches from your face that is if youre nearsighted like me the printer comes with its own driver for windows 3 1 i have no other complaints the printer also can act just like some epson or another for those archaic software packages that havent written a driver for it yet the teeny weeny footprint is a real plus too and if you purchase it between now and may 31 you get a 50 rebate from canon i bought mine from a store called compusa and the price now is 340 i have a friend who has the hp you are looking at it also prints very well and everyone has drivers for it but it is very slow hope i helped 360dpi sure looks great heather stehman in article 1993apr19 122649 25263 schbbs mot com ceng51 maccvm corp mot com craig witkowski writes in message 1993apr18 041741 6051 csd newshost stanford edu kayman csd d 3 stanford edu robert kayman writes hello fellow netters i am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer i should purchase the canon bj200 bubblejet vs the hp deskjet 500 i thought rather than trust the salesperson i would benefit more from relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest potential and i figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls better than any salesperson various questions deleted well i bought the bj 200 about a month ago at the start of their 50 rebate program on that printer it ends 5 31 and i bought it from computer discount warehouse because their price of 325 couldnt be beat anywhere i looked and i think its a hot printer just using regular copier paper produced fantastic results just in high quality mode i compared the output of a micrografx designer legal size drawing with 4pt type done on my bj 200 with the same drawing printed on an hp laserjet iid and i was amazed how well i could read the small print on the bj 200 printing speed was several seconds faster on the bj 200 which is amazing considering that the hp has 2 5m ram installed i measured the time from when the printer first indicated it was receiving data as i used print manager in windows i guess i have some experience with both i have a bj 300 at work and a deskjet 500 at home i prefer the deskjet the printing speed and quality are similar i tested both with text and graphics before buying the deskjet for home the feature that sets the deskjet apart is the driver support in so many applications the bj ends up emulating the epson lq or ibm proprinter to get it to work with many non windows apps and this will be the case for a long time the design is superior if you just want to use cut paper the deskjet is quieter and the ink cartridges are quite a bit cheaper due to the number of deskjets out there in comparision to the bjs just my 0 02 worth mike mattix agricultural group of monsanto p o box 174 luling la 70070 internet address dmmatt bigez monsanto com yes there is the landscape mode printing problem but it does not present a problem in windows as the windows printer driver handles the translation i actually thought of some other points after i posted the note the deskjet has an unprintable area of approximately 5inch around the paper the bubblejet does not you are right about the graphics resolutions i tested the printers with the applications i had access to wordperfect harvard graphics wingif paintshop pro and paintbrush and could not tell a difference in fact one of the hp deskjet windows drivers gives you significant control over the contrast and density of the printer hence controlling the amount of ink you put down the bubblejet did not i had no imaging software to test the printers with and so had no comparision there finally i wanted sheet feeding in that configuration the bubblejet cost approximately 100 more than the deskjet i went through a pretty thorough evaluation and chose the deskjet when i spent my own money btw i am replacing the bj 300 with a deskjet 500 at work this month anyway regards mike mattix ag group of monsanto luling la i spent some time comparing the two we ended up getting the bubblejet bj 200 versus the hp our reasons were 1 the hp seemed to have worse banding than the canon 2 360dpi versus 300 we felt we could see the difference 3 price canon has a 50 rebate program going on at the moment the bj 200 was our choice over the bj 10ex we could have 100 pages in the bj 200 feeder the bj 10ex holds only 30 pages i think as you can see up to 100 pages on the bj 200 we havent done anything big with the bj but its performance seems reasonable under windows i know that the microsoft bbs has a newer windows driver than comes with the printer but i dont know how it compares also the driver included with the printer is canons whereas i dont know where the microsoft bbs one comes from microsoft hope this helps thomas v frauenhofer wa2yyw tvf cci com uunet uupsi cci632 tvf tvf cs rit edu mandlebratwurst the meal that eats itself altough im sometimes also a salesperson if im not suppost to study i would recommend to buy the bj200 the printing quality is a bit better but you youve got much more possiblities dont forget the hp engine is at least 2 years on the marked the canon engine witch is also used in other new bubblejet printers like e g the epson ones is quite recently available now i would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 dpi of the canon bubblejet vs the hewlett packard deskjet 500 300 dpi which is faster is there a noticeable print quality difference particularly in graphics which will handle large documents better 75 ive seen during a short demonstration from someone who tryed to sell me canon printers 2 times the same picture one printed with the bj200 one with the canon the other with the hp and there was a difference in printing quality the canon was a bit better greetz kris when we decided we needed quiet printers in our hospital we looked to inkjet printers they have near laser quality speed and they are quiet we use both hp deskjets and the canon bj 200s i prefer the paper handling qualities of the deskjets but i feel the canons have superior print quality the ideal would be a canon with a sheet feeder however i did end up buying a deskjet for home use got too good a deal anyway we are using canons in high volume areas and they are holding up very well out of 15 deskjets and 4 bj 200s i have only had one problem with a deskjet and that was taken care of very quickly by hp nate whenever i buy anything i look at what the experts say pick out the top few and then buy on whatever criteria are the most apt ive been unusually flush lately no begging letter please and so ive done this a few times including about four months ago with inkjet printers i cant remember much about the process except that i read about three reviews of inkjets and that the 500 was always at or near the top i bought the 500c because of the added dimension of colour i intend to build a multi media machine at some stage and have just bought a colour scanner towards that although i havens used the colour thing in earnest yet i tried it out on a couple of windows bitmaps and i was pleased with the result i note that even though you can now get the 550c the one with both colour and mono with no need to change the cartridge the 500c and 500 are still readily available at least in the uk the following are my views experience 1 i dont know anything about the canon except that i came away from reviews and replies to a posting similar to yours with the idea that the hp offered the best performance price ratio 2 i believe hp are the originals in the field not always the ideal place to be but the markets still young so one assumes they have the expertise 3 the 500c is worth the extra operation in mono is perfectly acceptable and i get good crisp reproduction of fonts from windows 4 i used to work for monotype when they still manufactured typesetters before their american owners closed them down and i can tell you that in terms of definition 300 dpi is pretty poor anyway so 360 dpi is just a bit less poor 5 the hp comes with a reasonable set of drivers 6 if you buy it invest in the additional ram pack its pretty slow with it god knows what its like without i actually work in germany and my pc is home in the uk so its not in daily use i would say that apart from my not reading the manual properly and having a really dumb problem at the start its easy peasy to operate hope this is of use regards david just bought the bj 200 i thought the price couldnt be beat 329 with 50 rebate thru 5 31 and so far it is comparable even superior to the deskjet in print quality speed per page rate seems to be faster i dont have figures i dont print long docs though quality i think the graphics quality is excellent print quality is excellent as well unless you use small fonts and hold it up close you can see a lot more jaggies than on a laserjet the 360 dpi is offset by a little less accuracy in holding the page print head in place i would imagine large docs not room in the standard model for a whole lotta pages manual says up to 100 though havent tried it drivers no problems under win3 1 yet winword doesnt want to print the envelopes the same way the canon does though know nothing of add on costs daniel a hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask me about rotaract the deskjet is slow this is in comparison to the other printers i mentioned i have no idea how the bubblejet compares the interface between win3 1 and the printer is just dandy ive not had any problems with it i just bought a bj 200 printer a couple of days ago i compared it to the sample print of an hp deskjet 500 and knew that the hp wasnt for me the bj 200 is pretty fast and really prints with good quality i can compare it with the hp laserjet iiid postscript and they look almost identical depending on the kind of paper i dont have problems with the ink not being dry it seems to dry very fast probably within a second since canon is giving a 50 rebate until the end of may it is really a good buy sean eckton computer support representative college of fine arts and communications wow its funny you should ask this im a little behind in news reading so i know this may be late i just purchased the canon bubblejet last night i was really worried that i wouldnt like it but the print quality and noise level is fantastic i printed quite a few documents with lots of graphics and it printed damn near laser quality you cant tell its not laser unless you get 2 inches from the page no problems with drivers the printer came with the driver diskette which is good because i was beginning to panic when i couldnt findi it under windows or wordperfect it works well under both i have yet to install word for windows so dont know how it works with them i had a deskjet 500 at work last year it was a good printer as well ut i felt it was awfully slow and much noisier than the bubblejet i wont say the bubblejet is much better but i really do like it more just my 0 02 worth brett sincerely robert kayman kayman cs stanford edu or cpa cs stanford edu in theory theory and practice are the same in practice they are not you mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision revised guns re riddle me this in article 1993apr20 050550 4660 jupiter sun csd unb ca j979 jupiter sun csd unb ca fuller m writes does a not harmful gassing mean that you can with a little willpower stay inside indefinitely without suffering any serious health problems if so why was cs often employed against tunnels in vietnam what is the difference anyway cs tear gas was used in vietnam because it makes you wretch so hard that your stomach comes out thru your throat well not quite that bad but you cant really do much to defend yourself while you are blowing cookies chuck harris wa3uqv chuck eng umd edu guns re insane gun toting wackos unite do you know how many deaths each year are caused by self inflicted gun shot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters there are roughly 1200 fatal firearms related accidents each year the large majority involve rifles and shotgun there are under 500 fatal handgun accidents each year i really doubt all of those occur while the pistol is holstered so the number of self inflicted gunshot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters is probably well under 250 per year if you fall for example and land on the handgun or cause a sudden blow the gun will discharge handguns designs have included a hammer block since around 1960 or earlier this is a metal part which physically seperates the cartridge and the firing pin even under impact the gun cannot fire the hammer block is connected to the trigger and is pulled out of the way as the trigger is pulled as a result modern pistols can fire only if the trigger is pulled or in some cases if they are cocked by hand and then dropped the number of people killed in this manner far outweighs the number of deaths caused by animal attacks or wacko attacks combined i dont know about animal attacks but there are 23 500 murders each year and under 500 die in the manner you suggest if only 2 1 of the murders were killings by wacko s you would be wrong worse there are also 102 500 rapes and 1 055 000 aggravated assaults each year these numbers make violent attacks and preventing them thousands of times more significant than the accidents you are worried about these figures by the way are from the fbis uniform crime report for 1990 ill stop by a library tomorrow and look at the national crime victimization survey which is more specific about where and when the crimes occured frank crary cu boulder baseball re why is barry bonds not batting 4th punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi writes some evidence that is not working take a look at the standings its real easy to get so focussed on minutinae and forget that the giants happen to be in first place if its working you dont screw it up by changing things just because you think it ought to be different some folks like to argue about theoretical details i prefer to watch teams win when the giants slip to third then we can talk about how to re arrange the batting order until then i think its stupid to focus on whats wrong for the simple fact that its working as it is p s does the mailing list maintainer think that will clark is the best first baseman in the majors and that matt williams is a better power hitter than any other ballplayer in the majors i dont follow al so i wont comment on majors in the nl if i had my choice of any 1b in the league for my team itd be clark and id hit him third my fantasy team has both grace and murray on it because ive never been able to get clark id take any of the three without hesitation in real life but i think clark is it williams not even close i much prefer his defense but when he isnt headcasing it matt has a good solid swing and some real punch if he drops to 230 then he wanders out of cleanup but according to the latest baseball weekly hes hitting 275 and in the last week hitting 296 thats not exactly chopped liver mostly though the giants are winning and frankly as long as that continues its rather silly to second guess their strategy but evidently some folks would rather be right than be first chuq imho von rospach esd support training dal aux chuq apple com member sfwa editor otherrealms genie mac bigot alink chuq minor league fans minors request medraut apple com san jose giants a 1 9 san francisco giants fans giants request medraut apple com the stick not san jose sharks fans sharks request medraut apple com new seat 127 tbd baseball re bosox go down in smoke seattle 5 0 in article 1993apr22 175312 19861 galileo cc rochester edu ec003b uhura cc rochester edu wizard writes in jxu 735489739 black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu dark wing duck writes just had to respond to the bosox boasts i e bosox win again see red sox fans can never do anything right in your mind huh if we get excited about the sox winning you tell us it is going to be over soon if we worry that itll be over soon you say that we are not true fans i am a sox fan and i think after what ive been through being a sox fan that sox fans are true fans i am excited at what they are doing so greenwell was horrible against johnson who cares the sox are 11 4 11 1 with all non darwin starts what are the mariners i think the sox have the best record in baseball still so they lost one darn johnson is a quality pitcher and not the only quality mariner pitcher i logged on expecting to see at least one congratulatory note for chris bosios no hitter but nary a peep so ill take this opportunity to note that the red feet are now 11 5 and slinking out of town without having scored a run in the last two games or even a hit in last nights gem not that we ms fans can compare our suffering to those of the followers of new englands long running tragedy but only one winning season in history is something of a burden to bear so well take our joys when we can get em the mariners now have two no hit pitchers on the staff and not coincidentally those pitchers beat the red sox in back to back games jsh steve hendricks domain steveh thor isc br com one thing about data it sure does cut uucp uunet isc br thor steveh the bulls t r hofferbert ma bell 509 838 8826 medicine how to prevent kidney stone formation i got asked in sci med nutrition about vitamin c and oxalate production toxic kidney stone formation i decided to post my answer here as well because of the recent question about kidney stones not long after i got into sci med i got flamed by a medical fellow for stating that magnesium would prevent kidney stone formation im going to state it again here but the best way to prevent kidney stones from forming is to take b6 supplements read on to find out why i have my asbestos suit on now guys vitamin c will form oxalic acid but large doses are needed above 6 grams per day 1 review article nutritional factors in calcium containing kidney stones with particular emphasis on vitamin c int clin nutr rev 5 3 110 129 1985 but glycine also forms oxalic acid d amino acid oxidases for both glycine and vitamin c one of the best ways to drastically reduce this production is not to cut back on dietary intake of vitamin c or glycine but to increase your intake of vitamin b6 2 control of hyperoxaluria with large doses of pyridoxine in patients with kidney stones int urol nephrol 20 4 353 59 1988 200 to 500 mg of b6 each day significasntly decreased the urinary excretion of oxalate over the 18 month treatment program 3 the action of pyridoxine in primary hyperoxaluria clin sci 38 277 86 1970 patients receiving at least 150mg b6 each day showed a significant reduction in urinary oxalate levels for gylcine this effect is due to increased transaminase activity b6 is required for transaminase activity which makes less glycine available for oxidative deamination d amino acid oxidases for vitamin c the effect is quite different there are different pathways for vitamin c catabolism the pathway that leads to oxalic acid formation will usually have 17 to 40 of the ingested dose going into oxalic acid but this is highly variable and the vitamin c review article pointed out that unless the dose gets upto 6 grams per day not too much vitamin c gets catabolized to form oxalic acid at very high doses of vitamin c above 10 grams per day more of the extra vitamin c more than 40 conversion can end up as oxalic acid in a very early study on vitamin c and oxalic production proc soc exp biol med 85 190 92 1954 intakes of 2 grams per day up to 9 grams per day increased the average oxalic acid excretion from 38mg per day up to 178mg per day until 8 grams per day was reached the average excreted was increased by only 3 to 12mg per day 2 gram dose 4 gram dose 8 gram dose and 9gram dose 8 grams jumped it to 45mg over the average excretion before supplementation and 9 grams jumped it to 150 mg over the average before supplementation b6 is required by more enzymes than any other vitamin in the body there are probably some enzymes that require vitamin b6 that we dont know about yet vitamin c catabolism is still not completely understood but the speculation is that this other pathway that does not form oxalic acid must have an enzyme in it that requires b6 differences in b6 levels could then explain the very variable production of oxalic acid from a vitamin c challenge this is not the preferred route of catabolism increasing your intake of b6 would then result in less oxalic acid being formmed if you take vitamin c supplements since the typical american diet is deficient in b6 some researchers believe that the main cause of calcium oxalate kidney stones is b6 deficiency especially since so little oxalic acid gets absorbed from the gut diets providing 0 to 130mg of oxalic acid per day showed absolutely no change in urinary excretion of oxalate urol int 35 309 15 1980 if 400mg was present each day there was a significant increase in urinary oxalate excretion here are the high oxalate foods 1 beans coca instant coffee parsley rhubarb spinach and tea contain at least 25mg 100grams 2 beet tops carrots celery chocolate cumber grapefruit kale peanuts pepper sweet potatoe contain 10 to 25 mg 100grams if the threshold is 130mg per day you can see that you really have a lot of latitude in food selection a recent n eng j med article also points out that one good way to prevent kidney stone formation is to increase your intake of calcium which will prevent most of the dietary oxalate from being absorbed at all if you also increase your intake of b6 you shouldnt have to worry about kidney stones at all the rda for b6 is 2mg per day for males and 1 6mg per day for females directly related to protein intake b6 can be toxic nerve damage if it is consumed in doses of 500mg or more per day for an extended peroid weeks to months the usda food survey done in 1986 had an average intake of 1 87 mg per day for males and 1 16mg per day for females living in the u s coupled with this low intake was a high protein diet which greatly increases the b6 requirement as well as the presence of some of the 40 different drugs that either block b6 absorption are metabolic antagonists of b6 or promote b6 excretion in the urine common ones are birth control pills alcohol isoniazid penicillamine and corticosteroids i tell my students to supplement all their patients that are going to get any of the drugs that increase the b6 requirement the dose recommended for patients taking birth control pills is 10 15mg per day and this should work for most of the other drugs that increase the b6 requirement this would be on top of your dietary intake of b6 any patient that has a history of kidney stone formation should be given b6 supplements one other good way to prevent kidney stone formation is to make sure your ca mg dietary ratio is 2 1 magnesium oxalate is much more soluble than is calcium oxalate 4 the magnesium calcium ratio in the concentrated urines of patients with calcium oxalate calculi invest urol 10 147 1972 5 effect of magnesium citrate and magnesium oxide on the crystallization of calcium in urine changes producted by food magnesium interaction j urol 143 2 248 51 1990 6 review article magnesium in the physiopathology and treatment of renal calcium stones j presse med 161 1 25 27 1987 there are actually about three times as many articles published in the medical literature on the role of magnesium in preventing kidney stone formation than there are for b6 i thought that i was being pretty safe in stating that magnesium would prevent kidney stone formation in an earlier post in this news group but good old john a in mass jumped all over me i guess that he doesnt read the medical literature oh well since kidney stones can be a real pain and a lot of people suffer from them i thought id tell you how you can avoid the pain and stay out of the doctors office martin banschbach ph d professor of biochemistry and chairman department of biochemistry and microbiology osu college of osteopathic medicine 1111 w 17th street tulsa ok 74107 without discourse there is no remembering without remembering there is no learning without learning there is only ignorance from a wise man who lived in china many many years ago i think that it still has meaning in todays world cars re dirty diesels from nataraja rtsg mot com kumaravel natarajan but they can put out a lot of particulate matter i heard something about legislation being discussed to clean up diesel emissions is there anything in the works to install scrubbers for diesels how about the feasibility of installing them on trucks and cars would it be any different than a catylitic converter id assume easier since were removing particulate matter instead of converting gasses lets hear peoples opinions the technology cummins is applying to diesels to comply with the newer ca emissions laws involves three things i know of 1 all compliant diesels are turbocharged 2 all use an aftercooler which cools the air which was heated by compression by the turbocharger up to about 25 psi 3 a gismo on the injector pump which senses the pressurized air intake and limits full delivery of fuel while the pressure is low no scrubbers catalytic converters etc are used the path from the turbocharger to the exhaust outlet is kept very free interestingly except for the low pressure fuel limitation power output and mileage are enhanced by these measures one can buy aftermarket turbos and aftercoolers which generate more power lots more power and these are approved by the carb dan hepner baseball re football vs baseball was game length in article 1993apr22 185800 10395 almserv uucp e3ucja fnma com chris allen writes in article 14108 ast saic com sac asdi saic com steve a conroy x6172 writes major league baseball is trying to expand its appeal to people with shorter attention spans i e the football crowd invariably all the arguments from people who dont like to watch baseball on t v say the same thing the games are too long and too boring baseball is trying to find a way to shorten the games for wider t v appeal if you look at it though baseball games last around the same amount of time as football games the difference is that there is more action in that duration in football games perhaps if there were more action in baseball games you would get more of those fans to tune in anyway coming up with a solution to make baseball more appealing to a bigger crowd is going to be difficult on soapbox yet another reason to get a commisioner now since its obvious that ruling baseball by comittee works about as fast as a snail race in nebraska off soapbox how can you say there is more action in football then baseball a football game consists of approximately 120 plays and the average duration of a play is around 8 seconds this means that in a game that lasts approximately 3 hours you have about 16 minute s of action in a baseball game you have upwards of two hundred pitches there are very few on field strategy on field stratgy sessions ie huddles and you always have a chance to win until the last out is made ah but the illusion in football is that there is always lots of action and a sense of urgency because of the game clock not all the time but it happens when theres less than 5 minutes to go quite often this sense creates drama even when there may not necessarily be any and that holds a viewers attention in baseball only 3 players are involved in the action for about here comes a wild guess 70 of the time and theyre just playing a sophisticated game of catch hold the ball step out of the box adjust chains touch self in interesting locations theres a lot of dead time with the players warming up between innings or the manager visiting the pitcher at the mound or the manager removing the pitcher and bringing in a relief pitcher who then takes 8 10 pitches or helen dell playing the organ dodger fans will appreciate that one to the non baseball junkie this is boring at any rate im not putting baseball down for this ive been an avid fan since i can remember its just that watching a baseball game on t v at home can be tedious for the non baseball junkie thats what major league baseball and the networks are trying to address when they talk of shortening the game its because of t v not because football has more action than baseball steve conroy conroy terminus saic com im gone man solid gone science applications baloo international corporation religion re what part of no dont you understand in 1rbh3n hav kyle eitech com ekr kyle eitech com eric rescorla writes at my high school for instance our dear principal ended the moment of silence with amen an extremely good example of circumstantial evidence every time these right wing control freaks start spouting about prayer in schools i get this nagging commentary from the sermon on the mount matt 6 5 6 and when you pray do not imitate the hypocrites they love to say their prayers standing up in the synagogues and at the street corners for people to see them i tell you solemnly they have had their reward but when you pray go to your private room and when you have shut your door pray to your father who is in that secret place but no they want public prayers the better to manipulate children amen indeed when the pro school prayer types stop trying to sneak religion in ill stop opposing everything that even looks remotely like religion thank you i hope you dont mind if i say amen to this michael l siemon i say you are gods sons of the mls panix com most high all of you nevertheless or you shall die like men and fall mls ulysses att com like any prince psalm 82 6 7 medicine contraceptive pill a very simple question it seems to me that the contraceptive pill just prevents the ovule to nest in the vagina and forces it to fall every month but it does not prevent the fertilzation of the ovule is it true if yes is there a risk of extra uterine pregnancy that is the development of the ovule inside the fallopian tube j cherbonnier jec zurich ibm com baseball re rickey henderson and michael jackson jack nicholson and bill cosby wouldnt be making near as much money if they werent entertainers so whats your point actually i could care less what his salary is it has something to do with the fact that we live in america and everyone is entitled to whatever he can legally obtain if sandy alderson and the haas family willingly negotiate a salary of 35 million per year with rickey i couldnt care less but what really gets my goat is the bullshit he spouted in spring training about well sometimes i may not play as hard or might be hurt more often in a place where im not appreciated this quote was in the chronicle about the second week of camp and strongly suggests that he was going to dog it all year if the ownership didnt kiss his butt and ante up some more money for gods sake rickey you signed a contract 4 years ago now honor it and play say all you want to about steve garvey and believe me i hated him too but at least when he put his signature on a piece of paper he shut his mouth and played hard until the contract was up matt bohnert windows reboot when i start windows recently the following problem has arrisen the first time i turn on my computer when windows starts from my autoexec after the win31 title screen the computer reboots on its own usually the second time after reboot or from the dos prompt everything works fine s far as i remember i have not changed my config sys or autoxec bat or win ini i cant remember whether this problem occured before i optimized defragmented my disk and created a larger swap file thank you mathcad 4 system 386sx 4mb stacker 2 0 win31 dos 5 carlos g niederstrasser only two things are infinite princeton planetary society the universe and human stupidity and im not sure about the former einstein carlosn phoenix princeton edu space phoenix princeton edu ad astra per ardua nostra medicine re seizures infantile spasms reply to dufault lftfld enet dec com md after many metabolic tests body structure tests and infection virus tests the doctors still do not know quite what type of siezures he is having although they do have alot of evidence that it is now pointing to infantile spasms this is where we stand right now as i know now these particular types of disorders are still not really well understood by the medical community infantile spasms have been well understood for quite some time now you are seeing a pediatric neurologist arent you if not i strongly recommend it there is a new anticonvulsant about to be released called felbamate which may be particularly helpful for infantile spasms as for learning more about seizures ask your doctor or his nurse about a local support group david nye nyeda cnsvax uwec edu midelfort clinic eau claire wi this is patently absurd but whoever wishes to become a philosopher must learn not to be frightened by absurdities bertrand russell medicine program reg forms 1st int conf on intell sys for molecular biology for those attending the aaai conf this summer note that this conference is immediately preceding it preliminary program and registration materials first international conference on intelligent systems for molecular biology washington d c july 6 9 1993 sponsored by the national institutes of health national library of medicine the department of energy office of health and environmental research the biomatrix society the american association for artificial intelligence aaai poster session and tutorials bethesda ramada hotel technical sessions lister hill center auditorium national library of medicine for more information contact ismb nlm nih gov or fax 608 262 9777 purpose this the first international conference on intelligent systems for molecular biology is the inaugural meeting in a series intended to bring together scientists who are applying the technologies of artificial intelligence robotics machine learning massively parallel computing advanced data modelling and related methods to problems in molecular biology the scope extends to any computational or robotic system supporting a biological task that is cognitively challenging involves a synthesis of information from multiple sources at multiple levels or in some other way exhibits the abstraction and emergent properties of an intelligent system facilities the conference will be held at lister hill center national library of medicine 8600 rockville pike nih building 38a bethesda md 20894 seating in the conference center is strictly limited so registrations will be accepted on a first come first serve basis accomodations as well as a reception and poster session will be at the bethesda ramada hotel 8400 wisconsin avenue bethesda md 20814 a special room rate has been negotiated with the hotel of 92 day expires 6 21 attendees must make their own reservations by writing the hotel or calling 800 331 5252 and mentioning the ismb conference to participate in a roommate matching service e mail opitz cs wisc edu transportation the two facilities are within easy walking distance convenient to the subway metro red line medical center stop and from there to the amtrak station nearby airports include dulles national and baltimore washington international proceedings full length papers from both talks and posters will be published in archival proceedings the citation is proceedings of the first international conference on intelligent systems for molecular biology eds l hunter d searls and j shavlik aaai mit press menlo park ca 1993 copies will be distributed at the conference to registered attendees and will be available for purchase from the publisher afterwards talks wednesday july 7 1993 8 00 9 00am continental breakfast 9 00 9 15am opening remarks 9 15 10 30am invited talk statistics protein cores and predicted structures prof temple smith boston university 10 30 11 00am break 11 00am constructive induction and protein structure prediction t r ioerger l rendell s surbramaniam 11 30am protein secondary structure modeling with probabilistic networks a l delcher s kasif h r goldberg w hsu 12 00 1 30pm lunch 1 30pm protein secondary structure using two level case based reasoning b leng b g buchanan h b nicholas 2 00pm automatic derivation of substructures yields novel structural building blocks in globular proteins x zhang j s fetrow w a rennie d l waltz g berg 2 30pm using dirichlet mixture priors to derive hidden markov models for protein families m brown r hughey a krogh i s mian k sjolander d haussler 3 00 3 30pm break 3 30pm protein classification using neural networks e a ferran b pflugfelder p ferrara 4 00pm neural networks for molecular sequence classification c wu m berry y s fung j mclarty 4 30pm computationally efficient cluster representation in molecular sequence megaclassification d j states n harris l hunter 7 00 7 30pm poster setup 7 30 10 00pm reception poster session thursday july 8 1993 8 00 9 00am continental breakfast 9 00 10 15am invited talk large scale dna sequencing a tale of mice and men prof leroy hood university of washington 10 15 10 45am break 10 45am pattern recognition for automated dna sequencing i on line signal conditioning and feature extraction for basecalling j b bolden iii d torgersen c tibbetts 11 15am genetic algorithms for sequence assembly r parsons s forrest c burks 11 45am a partial digest approach to restriction site mapping s s skiena g sundaram 12 15 2 00pm lunch 2 00pm integrating order and distance relationships from heterogeneous maps m graves 2 30pm discovering sequence similarity by the algorithmic significance method a milosavljevic 3 00pm identification of human gene functional regions based on oligonucleotide composition v v solovyev c b lawrence 3 30pm knowledge discovery in genbank j s aaronson j haas g c overton 4 00 4 30pm break 4 30pm an expert system to generate machine learning experiments learning with dna crystallography data d cohen c kulikowski h berman 5 00pm detection of correlations in trna sequences with structural implications t m klingler d brutlag 5 30pm probabilistic structure calculations a three dimensional trna structure from sequence correlation data r b altman friday july 9 1993 8 00 9 00am continental breakfast 9 00 10 15am invited talk artificial intelligence and a grand unified theory of biochemistry prof harold morowitz george mason university 10 15 10 45am break 10 45am testing hiv molecular biology in in silico physiologies h b sieburg c baray 11 15am identification of localized and distributed bottlenecks in metabolic pathways m l mavrovouniotis 11 45am fine grain databases for pattern discovery in gene regulation s m veretnik b r schatz 12 15 2 00pm lunch 2 00pm representation for discovery of protein motifs d conklin s fortier j glasgow 2 30pm finding relevant biomolecular features l hunter t klein 3 00pm database techniques for biological materials and methods k baclawski r futrelle n fridman m j pescitelli 3 30pm a multi level description scheme of protein conformation k onizuka k asai m ishikawa s t c wong 4 00 4 30pm break 4 30pm protein topology prediction through parallel constraint logic programming d a clark c j rawlings j shirazi a veron m reeve 5 30pm a constraint reasoning system for automating sequence specific resonance assignments in multidimensional protein nmr spectra d zimmerman c kulikowski g t montelione 5 30 5 45pm closing remarks poster session the following posters will be on display at the bethesda ramada hotel from 7 30 10 00pm wednesday july 7 1 the induction of rules for predicting chemical carcinogenesis in rodents d bahler d bristol 2 senex a clos clim application for molecular pathology s s ball v h mah 3 flash a fast look up algorithm for string homology a califano i rigoutsos 4 toward multi strategy parallel learning in sequence analysis p k chan s j stolfo 5 protein structure prediction selecting salient features from large candidate pools k j cherkauer j w shavlik 6 comparison of two approaches to the prediction of protein folding patterns i dubchak s r holbrook s h kim 7 a modular learning environment for protein modeling j gracy l chiche j sallantin 8 inference of order in genetic systems j n guidi t h roderick 9 palm a pattern language for molecular biology c helgesen p r sibbald 10 grammatical formalization of metabolic processes r hofestedt 11 representations of metabolic knowledge p d karp m riley 12 protein sequencing experiment planning using analogy b kettler l darden 13 design of an object oriented database for reverse genetics k j kochut j arnold j a miller w d potter 14 a small automaton for word recognition in dna sequences c lefevre j e ikeda 15 multimap an expert system for automated genetic linkage mapping t c matise m perlin a chakravarti 16 constructing a distributed object oriented system with logical constraints for fluorescence activated cell sorting t matsushima 17 prediction of primate splice junction gene sequences with a cooperative knowledge acquisition system e m nguifo j sallantin 18 object oriented knowledge bases for the analysis of prokaryotic and eukaryotic genomes g perriere f dorkeld f rechenmann c gautier 19 petri net representations in metabolic pathways v n reddy m l mavrovouniotis m l liebman 20 minimizing complexity in cellular automata models of self replication j a reggia h h chou s l armentrout y peng 21 building large knowledge bases in molecular biology o schmeltzer c medigue p uvietta f rechenmann f dorkeld g perriere c gautier 22 a service oriented information sources database for the biological sciences g k springer t b patrick 23 hidden markov models and iterative aligners study of their equivalence and possibilities h tanaka k asai m ishikawa a konagaya 24 protein structure prediction system based on artificial neural networks j vanhala k kaski 25 transmembrane segment prediction from protein sequence data s m weiss d m cohen n indurkhya tutorial program tutorials will be conducted at the bethesda ramada hotel on tuesday july 6 12 00 2 45pm introduction to molecular biology for computer scientists prof mick noordewier rutgers university this overview of the essential facts of molecular biology is intended as an introduction to the field for computer scientists who wish to apply their tools to this rich and complex domain material covered will include structural and informational molecules the basic organization of the cell and of genetic material the central dogma of gene expression and selected other topics in the area of structure function and regulation as relates to current computational approaches dr noordewier has appointments in both computer science and biology at rutgers and has extensive experience in basic biological research in addition to his current work in computational biology 12 00 2 45pm introduction to artificial intelligence for biologists dr richard lathrop mit arris corp an overview of the field of artificial intelligence will be presented as it relates to actual and potential biological applications fundamental techniques symbolic programming languages and notions of search will be discussed as well as selected topics in somewhat greater detail such as knowledge representation inference and machine learning the intended audience includes biologists with some computational background but no extensive exposure to artificial intelligence dr lathrop co developer of ariadne and related technologies has worked in the area of artificial intelligence applied to biological problems in both academia and industry 3 00 5 45pm neural networks statistics and information theory in biological sequence analysis dr alan lapedes los alamos national laboratory this tutorial will cover the most rapidly expanding facet of intelligent systems for molecular biology that of machine learning techniques applied to sequence analysis closely interrelated topics to be addressed include the use of artifical neural networks to elicit both specific signals and general characteristics of sequences and the relationship of such approaches to statistical techniques and information theoretic views of sequence data dr lapedes of the theoretical division at los alamos has long been a leader in the use of such techniques in this domain 3 00 5 45pm genetic algorithms and genetic programming prof john koza stanford university the genetic algorithm an increasingly popular approach to highly non linear multi dimensional optimization problems was originally inspired by a biological metaphor this tutorial will cover both the biological motivations and the actual implementation and characteristics of the algorithm genetic programming an extension well suited to problems where the discovery of the size and shape of the solution is a major part of the problem will also be addressed particular attention will be paid to biological applications and to identifying resources and software that will permit attendees to begin using the methods dr koza a consulting professor of computer science at stanford has taught this subject since 1988 and is the author of a standard text in the field 3 00 5 45pm linguistic methods in sequence analysis prof david searls university of pennsylvania shmuel pietrokovski weizmann institute approaches to sequence analysis based on linguistic methodologies are increasingly in evidence these involve the adaptation of tools and techniques from computational linguistics for syntactic pattern recognition and gene prediction the classification of genetic structures and phenomena using formal language theory the identification of significant vocabularies and overlapping codes in sequence data and sequence comparison reflecting taxonomic and functional relatedness dr searls who holds research faculty appointments in both genetics and computer science at penn represents the branch of this field that considers higher order syntactic approaches to sequence data while shmuel pietrokovski has studied and published with prof edward trifinov in the area of word based analyses registration form mail with check made out to ismb 93 to ismb conference c o j shavlik computer sciences department university of wisconsin 1210 west dayton street madison wi 53706 usa name affiliation address phone fax electronic mail registration status regular student presenting talk poster tutorial registration molecular biology for computer scientists or artificial intelligence for biologists neural networks statistics and or information theory in sequence analysis genetic algorithms and genetic programming or linguistic methods in sequence analysis payment early registration before june 1 registration early late regular 100 125 student 75 100 tutorials one two regular 50 65 student 25 35 total registration fees include conference proceedings refreshments and general program expenses organizing committee lawrence hunter nlm david searls u of pennsylvania jude shavlik u of wisconsin program committee douglas brutlag stanford u bruce buchanan u of pittsburgh christian burks los alamos national lab fred cohen u c san francisco chris fields inst for genome research michael gribskov u c san diego peter karp sri international toni kazic washington u alan lapedes los alamos national lab richard lathrop mit arris corp charles lawrence baylor michael mavrovouniotis u of maryland george michaels nih harold morowitz george mason u katsumi nitta icot mick noordewier rutgers u ross overbeek argonne national lab chris rawlings icrf derek sleeman u of aberdeen david states washington u gary stormo u of colorado ed 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rlk a hi 2 c r c st m hm9 2l rgi qd g6 sl sfql34u 31 p hp p 34v 0d hu m 20d ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax 3 gq 7 om4u p 7 qtcv9f9f9 p 7kn nriz mwt e v 8 ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax as q 9f z6ewwiz ghj gizwt 9c ax ax ax ax end of part 8 of 14 cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico in article c5ui6u ao0 murdoch acc virginia edu jmh hopper virginia edu jeffrey hoffmeister writes in article 1993apr21 171811 25933 julian uwo ca wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca wayne smith writes in article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu david g wonnacott writes im considering switching to geico insurance but have heard that they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim i was worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim i have also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident ive read in this group that geico has funded the purchasing of radar guns by police depts im not sure where geico has purchased radar guns in several states i know they have done it here in ct i have also heard horror stories about people that have been insured by geico for years and then had 1 accident and were immediately dropped and once youve been dropped by any insruance company you become labled a high risk and end up forking out 3 or 4 times what you should be for insurance this must vary from state to state because our old company kemper wanted to drop me keeping my wife or tripple our premium because i had 1 ticket only 2 points for 10 mph over speed limit well i called geico and they insured both my wife and i for less then we were previously paying kemper generally i hate the whole insurance game i realize that it is necessary but the way that a person can get dicked around doesnt make any sense one good thing about geico is that everything can be handled over the phone my suggestion stay where you are or shop around but stay away from geico jeff larry keys csmes ncsl nist gov oo 1990 2 0 16v fahrvergnugen forever the fact that i need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldnt understand anyway medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition msg is common in many food we eat including chinese though some oriental restaurants might put a tad too much in them ive noticed that when i go out and eat in most of the chinese food restaurants i will usually get a slight headache and an ununsual thirst afterwards this happens to many of my friends and relatives too and heh we eat chinese food all the time at home but we dont use msg when were cooking for ourselves so when we put one and one together it can be safely assumed that msg may cause some allergic reactions in some people stick with natural things msg doesnt do body any good and possibly harms for that matter so why bother with it taste food as it should be tasted and dont cloud the flavor with an imaginary cloak of msg michael michael m huang dont believe what your eyes are telling you icemt iowa state univ all they show is limitation look with your michael iastate edu understanding find out what you already know include standard disclaimer and youll see the way to fly j l seagull medicine re pregnency without sex in article 10030 blue cis pitt edu kxgst1 pitt edu kenneth gilbert writes in article stephen 735806195 mont stephen mont cs missouri edu stephen montgomery smith writes when i was a school boy my biology teacher told us of an incident in which a couple were very passionate without actually having sexual intercourse somehow the girl became pregnent as sperm cells made their way to her through the clothes via persperation was my biology teacher misinforming us or do such incidents actually occur sounds to me like someone was pulling your leg there is only one way for pregnancy to occur intercourse these days however there is also artificial insemination and implantation techniques but were speaking of natural acts here it is possible for pregnancy to occur if semen is deposited just outside of the vagina i e coitus interruptus but thats about at far as you can get through clothes no way better go talk to your biology teacher kenneth gilbert university of pittsburgh general internal medicine dammit not a programmer what is the likely hood of conception if sperm is deposited just outside the vagina ie chance j e n n i f e r s c h e i b e r email scheiber sage cc purdue edu school of nursing purdue university guns re batf fbi revenge in 2077 rwing uucp pat rwing uucp pat myrto writes anybody for impeachment yeah me both the slickmeister and hillarys buddy janet say theyre responsible i want both their resignations on my desk yesterday i also want both thier butts up on federal civil rights violations something which carries life in prison as a penalty oh and ill contribute 20 to arlen specters presidential campaign for having the nads to launch the senate investigation glenn r stone glenns eas gatech edu america in distress flag upside down sos save your republic before it no longer exists baseball re winfields spot on the all time greats team in article 9834 blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu david m tate writes in article c5wewd kto murdoch acc virginia edu drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu david robert walker writes in article 9729 blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu david m tate writes ielding rf of all time as far as anyone can tell i did a quick scan last night looking for players with a peak comparable to or better than winfield in my quick n dirty subjective judgement you could make good cases for ruth aaron ott robinson clemente kaline maris klein jackson waner and probably a few others this is not a knock on winfield but a comment on his consistency all of those other players had awesome stretches and very good stretches while winfield has been more uniformly excellent hall of fame absolutely top 10 peak im not so sure top 10 total career value yes almost certainly point taken when was winfields peak years anyway probably around 85 guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r9bfc bm1 eagle natinst com chrisb natinst com chris bartz writes in article 1r8vg9 rl5 bigboote wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it for heating purposes because of the weather in texas everyone now claims that it was for cooking stop and think about this this whole thread is rediculous who cares if they had a stove going or not does it matter if they had a stove burning or lanterns burning or candles burning or someone smoking etc etc etc the premise is that the fbi was filling the house with napalm so that it would catch fire this is crazy fbi was not pumping napalm into the davidians home you will have to have pretty damn strong evidence to convince me of that i can believe mass suicide murder by koresh i can believe an accident by the davidians i can believe an accident by the fbi i can easily believe mass stupidity on all sides but i can not believe that the fbi lit this fire intentionally no way i tend to agree but i would like a better explanation of why the fbi stopped the firetrucks at the gate i saw this in realtime it concerns me that the fbi appeared to not be too interested in stopping the fire after it started and actually started flying hueys around the compound which had to add in some small part to the winds driving the fire chris bartz chrisb natinst com jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 windows best shareware rograms i know that there is a list of the best shareware and public domain programs for windows at the cica ftp site but unfortunately it is a year old the list author made it sound like the list was going to be updated every month is it still being updated does anyone else compile a similar list also are there any individual suggestions as to what the best shareware public domain programs are im interested in good software in just about every category please try and include the ftp site and exact file name if possible in your post thanks sam siockman leland stanford edu it will be good david broza religion cecis rosicrucian adventure hello ceci my name is tony and i have a few comments on your rosicrucian adventure i hereby state that i am not claiming or denying membership in any order fraternity etc with or without the word rosicrucian in the name of the organization i only claim having done some homework this is intended as a friendly article and if at times it seems different its my lack of writing skills showing nothing else heck english may be my second language and then again maybe not by now i proceed i had an ehum interesting experience with the rosicrucians or at least rosicrucians of some sort last sunday lets start with the name rosicrucian i took me a long time to come to the conclusion that there is a difference between a member of a rosicrucian body and being a rosicrucian so when you say that you met some rosicrucians you mean members of a group that calls themselves rosicrucian at least that is what your observation suggests id prefer if you would have stated up front that it was the lectorium rosicrucianum only because they may be confused by some readers of this newsgroup with the rosicrucian order amorc based the usa jurisdiction in san jose ca this being the rc org with the most members last time i looked of course most members does not necessarily mean best anyway the lectorium rosicrucianum claims they descend at least in part from what was the gold und rosenkreuz golden and rosy cross from the 18th century there were two golden and rosy cross the first chronologically more alchemical the second with masonic tinges but their history is the subject of a complete chapter youll have to trust me when i tell you that if that lecture class whatever had been presented by amorc it is unlikely that you would have had the same impression i e youd probably have had a positive impression more likely than a negative one imho the first guy also said that the r s are a mystical christian order and that they base their teachings on the teachings of the kathars english from the thirteenth century again instead of r s it should be lectorium rosicrucianum it is curious to know that 3 other rc orders in the usa claim to be non sectarian the cathars were a heretic christian sect that directly challenged the authority of the medieval catholic church they flourished during the 12th century century which saw the religious zeal expressed in the crusades and also the growing disillusion with the catholic church and the worldly ways of its clerics it was largely in response to the churchs unseemly pomp and splendor that catharism took root first in northern italy then throughout the south of france what made me a bit suspicious was the way they first said that we all contained something divine and could find our way back to divinity then that we couldnt become divine as the persons we are currently but if we worked really hard we would reach eternal bliss i dont see nothing fundamentally wrong with us containing something divine and yes i dont like phrases like eternal bliss either how to robotize people and brainwash for a moment i thought you were referring to madison ave madison avenue in new york city is where the most influential read commercial advertising is produced here in the usa peace tony btw i have read the intro letters of the lrc which they will mail you free of charge religion re rosicrucian order s in a previous article alamut netcom com max delysid y says can we assume from this statement that you are unequivocally saying that amorc is not a spin off of oto absolutely lewis didnt care for the 1921 o t o charter from reuss he had in mind something completely diferent crowley and lewis were very different persons as you probably know and that in fact oto may well be a spin off of amorc no my overstatement sorry study harder study smarter not harder i always do windows 2nd rfd comp databases ms access this is the 2nd reguest for discussion rfd for the creation of comp databases ms access the discussion period started on april 6 and it will last until april 28 22 days this is an official rfd for the creation of a new newsgroup for the general discussion of the microsoft access rdms name comp databases ms access moderation unmoderated at this time no need for a moderator has been assertained future evaluation will determine if one is needed purpose access is a new rdbms for the windows operating system it includes wysiwyg design tools for easy creation of tables reports forms and queries and a database programming language called access basic the purpose of the group will be to provide help to people who use accesss wysiwyg design tools to create simple databases as well as to people who use access basic to create complex databases rationale eventhough access is a new rdbms it is very popular because of its graphical development enviroment and its initial low price been a version 1 0 product means that all access users are novices for that reason a newsgroup is needed where access users can discuss their experiences with the product and answer each others questions napoleon mau herky cs uiowa edu cars re water in trunk of 89 probe in article 1993apr22 000337 10096 news arc nasa gov chung pioneer arc nasa gov po sum chung acf writes tommy szeto writes water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friends 89 ford probe every once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water under the plywood carpet cover on the trunk i would guess this usually i noticed this is my 89 probe also when recently cleaning out the back i think the water is coming up through some rubber stoppered holes beneath the spare mine looked slightly worn and there was no water or water damage i have the same problem with my 90 probe the water is definitely not comming up from the rubber stoppered hole beneath the spare i have to remove the rubber stopper to drain the water seems like a common problem with probe there is a known problem with the seals on the taillights of 93 probes complain loudly to your dealer and get them to install new seals it is a known problem present on most if not all pre 93 probes so you shouldnt have to pay them to fix it in my case they fixed it on my extended warranty i just had to pay a 50 deductable the work was valued at something like 185 with labor and parts having removed the tail lamps myself on other occasions i think their estimate was fair bill heiser heiser acs bu edu heiser world std com boston university boston ma guns cnn tape shows tank starting fire a friend recorded cnn news during the gassing and incineration of the bds i went through it carefully today and found something very interesting a tank is pulling out of the house and there is a fireball maybe 24 across that lasts for about 1 second exactly ten minutes and thirty nine seconds later the smoke starts billowing out of that area of the building now im no govt spokestwinkie so it might really have been a weather balloon or something perhaps someone would check it out and comment baseball re jewish baseball players hank greenberg was probably the greatest ever he was also subject to a lot of heckling from bigots on the opposing teams and in the stands but it never seemed to affect his performance negatively bob davis rbd thor ece uc edu guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors gjh galen med virginia edu galen j hekhuis writes nate psygate psych indiana edu nathan engle writes they assembled a frightening arsenal of weapons what exactly did you find frightening about their weapons the lethality in small part but mostly what i found frightening was the fact that they were wielded by people who believed that they ate breakfast every morning with jesus christ now i wasnt there in galilee back in the roman occupation so i dont know for certain that david koresh was not jesus christ but i strongly suspect that he was not even aside from the fact of never having seen them in a photograph together by circumventing laws which were intended to prevent such a buildup which laws are you making reference to i admit i cant cite a specific but if there isnt a law against purchasing grenade components and assembling them into functioning units then perhaps we need one all second ammendment arguments aside im just not sure that i like the idea of private citizens with hand grenades nathan engle software juggler psychology department indiana university nate psygate psych indiana edu nengle silver ucs indiana edu baseball re cub fever in article kingoz 735285670 camelot kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes cub fever is hitting me again im beginning to think they have a chance this year what the heck am i thinking sorry just a moment of incompetence ill be ok really orin bradley u im really a jester in disguise i hear ya then again we must remember that we are indeed cub fans and that the cubs will eventually blow it after all the cubs are the easiest team in the national league to root for no pressure you know they will lose eventually oh well i suppose we must have faith after all they do look pretty good and they dont even have sandberg back yet cubs in 93 cha guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders in article 16bb88f6d r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes in article 1r5rnn rdt usenet ins cwru edu bu008 cleveland freenet edu brandon d ray writes in a previous article nomad ecst csuchico edu michael larish says in article 1r00ug d60 btr btr com michaelh public btr com michael hahn michaelh btr com writes a partial list of excellent socialist visionaries and the tolls theyve taken of unpopular religious ethnic social groups mao tse tung millions killed j stalin millions killed a hitler millions killed pol pot 100 000s killed w j clinton 100 killed but relax hes only had a hundred or so days you people are rather amusing in a perverse sort of way you take a tragic unpleasant situation that you feel is a terrible injustace and assign blame to anybody and everybody with or without a link to the incident simply because they dont fit your extremely narrow definition of good how is clinton responsible it was a law enforcement action granted it was a nationally covered incident but clinton had no more to do with the outcome than fred flintstone perhaps youve been under a rock the last few days the batf and the fbi are both federal agencies clinton has admitted in front of news cameras that janet reno the once and future attorney general gave him a full briefing of what was planned before they did it and he gave her the go ahead maybe just possibly that makes him a teensy bit responsible the fbi cia batf etc are federal agencies you are correct but to think there is a visible and clear chain of command up to the prez and that these agencies inform reno who informs clinton etc is naive these agencies operate as distinct and seperate entities and while they have ultimate accountability to the prez they make their own moves and then tell the prez who says i knew all along while this may not seem right or it may not fit our idealistic need to see a structured chain of command leading to the white house thats the way it is bureaucracys are not after all composed of 3 or 4 people who talk on a regular basis have lunch and maybe golf together i do agree the fbi batf messed up im not sure if they should have stormed the compound or not by the way jehova witnesses are a religious minority in this country protestantism is a minority religion in the world bds were a cult by all definitions and history of cults to say this is not to persecute a religious or ethnic enclave koresh said he was the messiah i was raised a baptist although i do not practice the religion and do not think that the big guy upstairs is digging the divisiveness closemindedness and right wing morons that are associated with the religion anyway the messiah that i was taught about would not be carrying a gun let alone stockpiling weapons you can doubt batf reports all you want david koresh was not a poor soul who was unjustly persecuted while some of the information coming from the u s government is being exagerated so as keep public opinion on their side i do believe that some of the things that former cult members have said are true anyway this is just another excuse to try and blame president clinton for something people who attempt to do this for political motives should be ashamed they are the ones who are keeping this country from reaching its full potential you seem to make two points no one ultimately oversees the federal agencies you mention and since koresh apparently has a different view point from your baptist upbringing then he is not worthy of protection from religious persecution as to being the messiah is not christ within us all must be comforting to belong to a government approved religion baptists are a cult two btw under most of the definitions in the dictionary of cult jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 cars re changing oil by self why crawl under the car at all i have a machine i got for my boat that pulls the oil out under suction through the dip stick tube it does an excellent job and by moving the suction tube around you can get more old oil out than by using the drain plug i think i paid 25 at e b marine the oil goes into a steel 3 gal can wait until it cools and decant into your favorite device i use soft drink bottles easy to take them down to the local oil recycle center forza medicine re barbecued foods and health risk in article c5mv3v 2o5 world std com rsilver world std com richard silver writes some recent postings remind me that i had read about risks associated with the barbecuing of foods namely that carcinogens are generated is this a valid concern if so is it a function of the smoke or the elevated temperatures is it a function of the cooking elements wood or charcoal vs lava rocks i wish to know more thanks from the tufts university guide to total nutrition stanley gershoff ph d dean of tufts university school of nutrition harperperennial 1991 isbn 0 06 272007 4 the greatest hazard of barbecuing is that the cook will not use enough caution and get burned some people suggest that the barbecuing itself is dangerous because the smoke which is absorbed by the meat contains benzopyrene which in its pure form has been known to cause cancer in laboratory animals however in order to experience the same results people would have to consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a time rich young these are not kodaks opinions cars rec autos automotive mailing lists archive name rec autos part2 automotive mailing lists electronic mail that is last updated 3 17 93 new lotus exotic cars list subscription info added portland or motorsports list corvair list triumph tr8 list rpw there are a number of electronic mailing lists on the network devoted to various special automotive topics to the best of my knowledge all the lists appearing here have open membership policies it is my policy not to list closed mailing lists here most mailing lists provide separate 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drive d had only one corrupt file in over a year and it was under the control of winword on c 32 bit disk access and smartdrive are off since installation of dblspace problem has turned from an annoyance to a reason for murder since the most frequent files corrupted are the grp files are these the last thing written to when exitting windows also are there any pd shareware utilities available that do a more thorough job than dos 6 ndd 4 5 etc dos 6 and win 3 1 compatable thanks mike hayes knowledge is good faber college motto www knowledge and thoroughness rensselear poly motto unemployed tech no thank you groucho marx a day at the races driven to banging my head against engineering physics for 4 years medicine re health care reform in article lmc001 wrc wrgrace com custer wrc wrgrace com linda custer writes this is my first post and i am not even sure it will work here goes did anyone read the editorial on page 70 in the 29 march 1993 edition of time magazine noting that managed care is extremely inefficient of all the possible clients that billary could be pandering to the insurance industry is the worst comments i agree adding layers of managers and bureaucrats simply eat up money that could be spent on those who actually are doing the work such as doctors and nurse and supplies the most efficient system is probably one that has limited management and a fixed budget such as englands or even canadas im afraid we are on the wrong track the problem may be that the insurance lobby is too powerful gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon medicine the reseaching of starvation i am very interested in investigations of starvation for improving health i am the young russian reseacher and have highest medical education and expierence in reseach work in biological field and would like to work on this problem can anybody send me the adresses of the hospitals or medical centers where scientific problems of human starvation for the health are investigated also i would like to set scientific contacts with colleagues who deals with investigations in this field i would be very appreciated anyone reply me pls contact by post 142292 russia moscow region puschino p o box 46 for kravchenko n or by e mail kutuzova venus iteb serpukhov su thank you advance natalja kravchenko guns re rewording the second amendment ideas a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of the free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed i know that as a canadian i dont have much to stand on but i think that the right to keep and bear arms is very important to maintaining a free society the america is still the most enviable place to live on this earth by anyone with their head on straight and will stay that way only if more people stand up publicly for what they believe remember that if you stand for nothing youll fall for anything including well meaning socialists they did in canada later ted medicine infant immune development question as an animal science student i know that a number of animals transfer immunoglobin to thier young through thier milk in fact a calf must have a sufficient amount of colostrum early milk within 12 hours to effectively develop the immune system since for the first less than 24 hours the intestines are open to the ig passage my question is does this apply to human infants to any degree thanks for your time responding matthew keeler c599143 mizzou1 missouri edu cars alternative fuel vehicles here is a press release from the u s department of energy energy secretary hails presidents plan for alternative fuel vehicles to national desk environment and energy reporters contact larry hart of the u s department of energy 202 586 5806 washington april 21 secretary of energy hazel r oleary today said president clintons executive order on alternative fuels will make the federal government a driving force behind efforts to increase the availability of both alternative fuel vehicles and fuel supplies president clinton signed the order today which calls for federal purchases of alternative fuel vehicles in numbers over the next three years at least 50 percent higher than those called for in the energy policy act of 1992 president clinton also announced that texas land commissioner gary mauro will head up the federal fleet conversion task force to advise oleary on implementation of the executive order i am delighted that i will be working with gary mauro to make this happen oleary said as land commissioner gary mauro has helped make texas a national leader in converting the state fleet to alternative fuels and has been a tireless proponent of natural gas vehicles in speeches across the country the task force is to issue a report within 90 days recommending a plan and schedule of implementation the department of energy and all of us in government must lead by example if the option of alternative fuels is going to become a practical affordable choice for fleet owners across the country oleary said increased use of domestically produced alternative fuels means reducing pollution while creating jobs we believe that energy efficiency protecting the environment and a healthy economy are complimentary goals oleary said that plans call for the department of energy to coordinate the agencies five year purchase plans help with funding for extra purchase or conversion costs and work with gsa to encourage development of the fuel infrastructure needed to make fleet conversions practical under the order the department of energy will also be working with states local governments and industry to coordinate vehicle purchases and encourage manufacturers and fuel suppliers to make alternative fuel vehicles and alternative fuels more widely available 30 canada remote systems toronto ontario 416 629 7000 629 7044 cars re wife wants convertible in a previous article twetzel ucs indiana edu tom wetzel says in article 1r1tth b9i usenet ins cwru edu andrew a spencer aas7 po cwru edu writes well actually he didnt but well pretend the real author of this query has his name tacked in here my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car i was about to recommend you consider a targa top over a convertible but drew made the point very well when my wife and i were in our 20s we did the convertible thing with triumphs now in our mid 40s we still appreciate the open air but prefer targa types there is much less wind noise objects papers blowing around foreign objects getting into the car and one still has almost all the advantages of the convertible tom while its being mentioned i personally prefer the moonroof sunroof t top targa thing as well i simply dont like cloth tops nor the extra insurance nor the s color matching alot of companies do if i chose a convertible itd be a mazda rx7 ii i just like the way they look itd have to be in black with color matched black top they look good b vw cabriolet they do a suberb job of matching colors too also last year for them collectors item c mustang gt droptop they look ok too i know this doesnt help but i thought id do it anyway good luck to your wife and you drew religion re question for those with popular morality in article 17570 freenet carleton ca ad354 freenet carleton ca james owens writes in a previous article david terminus ericsson se david bold says i dont mean to be rude but i think that youve got hold of the wrong end of a different stick david i had a look at your posting again and i see what you mean i was so intent on explaining how jung thought we could be more moral than god that i overlooked your main line of thought you seem to be saying that god being unknowable his morality is unknowable yep thats pretty much it im not a jew but i understand that this is the jewish way of thinking however the jews believe that the covenant between yhwh and the patriarchs abraham and moses in this case establishes a moral code to follow for mankind even the jews could not decide where the boundaries fall though as i understand it the sadducees believed that the torah was all that was required whereas the pharisees the ancestors of modern judaism believed that the torah was available for interpretation to lead to an understanding of the required morality in all its nuances talmud the essence of all of this is that biblical morality is an interface between man and yhwh for a jew or christian and does not necessarily indicate anything about yhwh outside of that relationship although one can speculate the first thing that comes to mind is that man is supposed to be created in his image so there is an argument that we are committed to whatever moral code he follows as part of trying to live up to that image if we are supposed to live by christs example you would be hard pressed to argue that god is a do what i say not what i do kind of guy the trouble with all of this is that we dont really know what the created in his image means ive heard a number of different opinions on this and have still not come to any conclusion this rather upsets the apple cart if one wants to base a life script on this shaky foundation to mix metaphors unashamedly as to living by christs example we know very little about jesus as a person we only have his recorded utterances in a set of narratives by his followers and some very small references from comtemporary historians revelation aside one can only know christ second hand or worse this is not an attempt to debunk christianity although it may seem that way initially the point i m trying to make is that we only really have the bible to interpret and that interpretation is by humanity i guess this is where faith or relevation comes in with all its inherent subjectiveness metaphysically if there are multiple moral codes then there is no absolute moral code and i think this is theologically questionable no there may be an absolute moral code there are undoubtably multiple moral codes the multiple moral codes may be founded in the absolute moral code as an example a parent may tell a child never to swear and the child may assume that the parent never swears simply because the parent has told the child that it is wrong now the parent may swear like a trooper in the pub or bar where there are no children the wrongness here is if the child disobeys the parent the parent may feel that it is inappropriate to swear in front of children but may be quite happy to swear in front of animals the analogy does not quite hold water because the child knows that he is of the same type as the parent and may be a parent later in life but you get the gist of it incidentally the young child considers the directive as absolute until he gets older see piaget and learns a morality of his own david on religion oh where is the sea the fishes cried as they swam its clearness through baseball re hits stolen first base 1992 in 1r218pinnh4a gap caltech edu jeff smoggy gg caltech edu jeff goldsmith writes in steph 735029587 pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes finally i throw all this into a a formula i call defensive contribution or dcon you did mean defcon didnt you well no although i admit thats more exciting than a rat killer dale j stephenson steph cs uiuc edu baseball fanatic it is considered good to look wise especially when not overburdened with information j golden kimball cars re are bmws worth the price sure sounds like they got a ringer the 325is i drove was definitely faster than that if you want to quote numbers my aw autofile shows 0 60 in 7 4 1 4 mile in 15 9 it quotes car and drivers figures of 6 9 and 15 3 oh btw these numbers are for the 325i car and driver rated the 325is 1988 at 7 2 0 60 1 4 at 15 2 after 30k miles last time i checked 8 automobile magazine rated new 325is 1 4 mile 16 2 gee aint quotiin funner than the dickens sounds like we need a race ill let you have the newer version can someone out there lend me a 1988 325is for a day 8 i wont hurt it i promise i dont know how the addition of variable valve timing for 1993 affects it but dont take my word for it go drive it actually i will take your word on it i refuse to test it new 325is because i love bmws and would probably want to buy it problem is my income just doesnt support that cars re too fast in article 1qmcih dhs armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes they light the highways in texas funny everywhere else ive been they only light em at junctions and armadillo crossings texas is pretty much an edge case you cant assume that everywhere has roads in such good condition such flat terrain and such wide open spaces it just aint so well lets see in just my own personal experience theres nevada new mexico texas wyoming utah south dakota nebraska minnesota montana florida and parts of louisianna nobody said lets go into town and drive 130 on main st and you couldnt go that fast on the graveled washboard that passes for highway in some parts but that only really expensive cars should be driven fast crap is well crap wr baseball re al stats and standings i forgot to mention that the stats are for games through 4 20 doug guns re whos next mormons and jews in article 1r0mtoinna59 cronkite central sun com dbernard clesun central sun com writes gordon storga writes gentleman are we also forgetting the near genocide of the native american for the barbaric act of being heathen i e a non christian by a predominantly christian government thats a little over 200 years as i recall id say that for the most part it was religious persecution their religion dictated their lifestyle this is a stretch in fact a great many of the persecuted indians were christian a great many it would be simpler to state the obvious that white people wanted land the indians dominated or threatened i really dont think the government cared a hill of beans about the indians religion my native american girlfriend asks if the government really doesnt care a hill of beans about our religion how come theyre still busting us for it in oregon washington and a few other places youd be a christian too if the u s army marched you into church at gunpoint michael mcclary mcclary netcom com for faster response address electronic mail to michael node com religion re info about new age in article 1993apr26 231845 13843 digi lonestar org qpalo digi lonestar org gerry palo the danger of anti cult groups is that while they can expose a lot of deception they can also become inquisitors as one who agrees with much of what they say i am also on the receiving end and it makes me realize the importance of respecting the freedom of belief of every individual and also of not jumping to conclusions and making accusations based on a priori assumptions about an individual or group for my money the primary danger of anti cult groups is that they are every bit as wacky as the groups they oppose and that by and large they have no compunctions about printing lies half truths and misleading innuendos as part of their exposes a recent book on cults i picked up by a christian author quite simply mixed in all non christian religions except the jews and various new age groups with various fringe groups of dubious intent and legality on the other hand the watchman fellowship does a good service in exposing deceptive practices that are far too common among the groups they monitor given the record of american christianity any group that falls into the category of fundamentalist or born again is automatically into the inquisition business it is an unavoidable affliction of those who have a proprietary license on the truth tm and lets not forget that jonestown and the branch davidians are just as much a part of the christian tradition as the missouri synod lutherans and may in fact be the massadas of true christian believers i am far more concerned about the encroachment of overtly christian indoctrination into public schools than i am about yoga classes there for those concerned with religious freedom without a selective inquisitiorial bent people for the american way p o box 96200 washington dc 20077 7500 americans united for separation of church state 8120 fenton street silver spring md 20910 9978 jack carroll baseball re hbp bb big cat in article 106628 of rec sport baseball healey qucdn queensu ca roger healey wrote the original poster wanted to know how the big cat looked i was also at the saturday game in montreal apr 17 that rockies won 9 1 i havent paid much attention to gallarraga since he left the expos but his stance seemed to be much different he stands more erect and very open with his left foot pointing to 3rd base im wondering if this is a recent change in stance for him andres had one glaring weakness as a hitter he could always be fooled by a curve ball low and away if this is indeed a new stance for him maybe he is not being fooled as easily yes the stance is new don baylor was his batting coach at st louis last year and now as his manager is continuing to work with him maybe andres has a weak left eye and the open stance gives him a better look at the ball or maybe it is simply improving his mechanics i dunno but the change seems to have enabled him to hit the ball as well as 5 years ago his selectivity has not changed gregg baseball ncar ucar edu cr o cr colorado rockies guns re guns gone good riddance in article 1993apr18 000152 2339 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes you are loosing there is no question about it of those who vote your cause is considered an abomination no matter how hard you try public opinion is set against the rkba not so surveys have shown while the public thinks certain types of gun control may be acceptable they do believe they have an individual right to keep and bear arms and that the police should not have discretion over who may and may not own firearms this is the end by the finish of the clinton administration your rkba will be null and void by the end of the clinton administration a lot of things will be screwed up hell well probably be just like england tough titty tough titty my how eloquent you are as for your claim i think clinton has a big fight ahead of him if he thinks hes going to pass some comprehensive gun legislation he will sign the brady bill if it gets to his desk we will do whatever we can to either keep that from happening or modify it such that it is acceptable to us you had better discover ways to make do without firearms sorry thats not possible and thats why we wont give them up either legally or illegally americans will keep their firearms the number of unregistered weapons in new york city is in the millions there arent even close to that number of violent criminals there the number of cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause if the govt was serious about stopping violent crime they would keep violent criminals in jail for a long long time where they belong instead of letting them out on early release there is nothing you can do about it hey we can go into politics too if we feel like it those who live by the sword shall die by it i dont believe this one bit the press is against you the public the voting public is against you the flow of history is against you this is it snore like i take advice on the rkba from a brit no way surrender your arms soon enough officers will be around to collect them resistance is useless you watch too much star trek actually this is an understandable attitude from a brit you are a subject of the state they will overwhelm you one at a time not necessarily there are ways of resisting oppression without getting caught by the govt your neighbors will not help you they will consider you more if an immediate threat than the abstract criminal the abstract criminal like the ones who killed a relative of mine while she was working in a carry out too fucking bad you have gone the way of the kkk violent solutions are passe while undesirable they are sometimes unavoidable if you dont want to resist a criminal attack by all means do nothing i will a take my chances resisting violent attack and b stand a better chance of being unharmed than someone who does nothing avoid situations which encourage criminals then you will be as safe as possible such as it is what a joke criminals want a disarmed population how can you keep criminals from preying on us after our best means of self defense is taken away larry cipriani l v cipriani att com medicine prk photo refractive keratostomy for those of you interested in the above procedure i am able to add the following facts 1 this procedure is not done in philadelphia 2 it is performed in maryland at johns hopkins for corrections between 0 and 5 and from 10 to 20 diopters i think are the units 3 it is performed in new york city at manhattan eye and ear for corrections between 0 and 6 the magic words to use when requesting information on this is not prk they think you mean rk but the excimer laser study or protocol this will get you to the proper people barry d benowitz email bbenowit telesciences com pyrnj telesci bbenowit phone 1 609 866 1000 x354 snail telesciences co systems 351 new albany rd moorestown nj 08057 1177 guns re waco burning in article 9753 blue cis pitt edu jagst18 pitt edu josh a grossman writes in article c5v9du d76 acsu buffalo edu v111qheg ubvmsd cc buffalo edu p vasilion writes not necessarily if the body had been denatured cooked or dehydrated due to the heat a projectile needs only a minimal kinetic force to penetrate in fire aftermaths bodies tend to fall apart or loose large chunks of meat with little effort medical examiners tend not to like cleaning up such scenes as such if the body had been suitably cooked a bullet comming from a magazine explosion would more than likely have enough force to enter and thus it would be difficult to determine whether a bullet entered at the time of death or much later unless you were trained to look for the evidence texas rangers are not pathologists p vasilion this is quite corect but a bullet hitting a burned body with little energy will show virtually no deformation ie a hollow point probably would not expand an fmj would be pristene also the bullets will not be marked with the lands ang grooves of a barrel because they didnt come out of one a good pathologist should be able to notice this right away let us hope that the mes that handle these bodies are more competent then the ones who did jfks body jag speaking of mes the fbi said the fire victims were found face up fire victims apparently are usually found face down suggesting they died prior to the fire the me says in a word bullshit the victims were face down the fbi says they sent a body of a victim that was shot supposedly by bd guards the me says in a word bullshit the body showed no evidence of gunshot wounds can the atf fbi tell the difference between cya and truth wayne j warf wwarf ucs indiana edu i speak for myself only clinton gore cia fbi dea assassinate bomb wod bor atf irs resist nsa christian god satan apocalypse zog nazi socialist communist explosive fundamentalist revolution nsc federal reserve constitution gold fema windows re canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 in article c60eki kvp vcd hp com edmoore vcd hp com ed moore writes thomas d fellrath 1 nd edu nd edu wrote the key issue that i bought my bj 200 on was ink drying speed you really have to try awful hard to get the bj 200 ink to smear the hp deskjets need 10 15 seconds to completely dry in both cases however do not get your pages wet unlike laser printers the material on your pages is ink not toner but that should go without saying i think the ink now used in the deskjet family is water fast ive had pictures ruined by a few drops of rain these were colour pictures from a deskjet 500c mind you it could have been acid rain i use a bj10ex ink dries fast but it really doesnt like getting wet justin whitton at ma90jjw hermes uk mod relay where no man has gone before after august mail ma90jjw brunel ac uk disclaimer my opinions count for nothing except when the office is empty im a student intelligence 0 guns re some more about gun control in article 1993apr16 171115 16812 synapse bms com hambidge bms com writes actually the words a well regulated milita being necessary to the security of a free state is a present participle used as an adjective to modify militia which is followed by the main clause of the sentence the subject being the right the verb shall it asserts that the right to keep and bear arms is essential for maintaining a milita a free state yes i agree the first half of the amendment does modify the noun militia but the difinition of modify that applies to how well regulated modifies militia is to qualify or limit the meaning of for example wet modifes day in the phrase a wet day the amendment is similiar to the statement a wet day being annoying the right of the people to keep and wear boots shall not be infringed so how does a dry day pertain the right to use boots similiar what does the unorganized militia have to due with the right to own guns the sentence in the second amendment doesnt restrict the right or state or imply possession of the right by anyone or anything other than the people all it does is make a positive statement regarding a right of the people the people as in you and me as in the first fourth ninth tenth as well as the second amendment the existence of this right is assumed it is not granted by the amendment there is no stated or implied condition relating the right to bear arms to the necessity of a well regulated militia to the security of in other words the entire sentence says that the right to keep and bear arms is unconditional no not unconditional but shall not be infringed infringed is defined as to break or ignore the terms of or obligations an oath an agreement law or the like to disreguard violate to go beyond the boundaries or limits tresspass encroach this definition implies the following of some form of existing agreement laws and agreements are made in advance boundaries or limits of behavior are set by society as a whole the word unconditional implies no agreements or all previous agreements are off which is the opposite the words used in the first amendment are much stronger i e congress shall make no law are much stronger they clearly imply unconditional if the writers of the amendment wanted unconditional whay didnt they says congress shall make no laws pertaining the the right of the people to keep and bear arms the second amendment implies a sort contract between the people the people and the state the bigger part of the contract is the people have the right to overthrew the government and its laws at any time to guarantee this right the laws cannot stopped the people from forming a well regutaled militia the duties of a well regulated militia to the government are descussed in federalist no 29 and the limits of of the governmental control of the militia are descussed in article i section 8 article ii section 2 and the second amendment of the constitution if only it were a modern document with a john lawrence rutledge smart index and hyper links stretching all research assistant through the world data net it was terribly frustrating to flip back and forth between interactive media group the pages and crude flat illustrations that computer science department never even moved nor were there animated umass lowell arrows or zoom ins it completely lacked a 1 university ave for sound lowell ma 01854 most baffling of all was the problem of new words in normal text youd only have to 508 934 3568 touch an unfamiliar word and the definition jrutledg cs ulowell edu would pop up just below from david brins earth baseball re baseball in spanish in article 116085 bu edu icop csa bu edu antonio pera writes recently i heard the red sox on wrol a spanish speaking radio station i thought it was so unreal the red sox in spanish anyway i want to find out how widespread this is being a ny native i know the scmets are on in spanish but not the yankmes i wuold think that la sd texas and fla are on in spanish are there any spanish speaking networks or is this a local the braves day games are broadcast is spanish on a station called la favorita the station has a daytime liscence only minardi michael j georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia 30332 uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism mm36 internet mm36 prism gatech edu baseball re harry caray in article 9500 blue cis pitt edu traven pitt edu neal traven writes btw have we had a show of hands about who will be attending this years sabr national in san diego ill be there as will i and the ultimate lurker sherri nichols snichols adobe com guns re guns in backcountry no thanks in article 0096b294 aad9c1e0 uinpla npl uiuc edu reimer uinpla npl uiuc edu paul e reimer writes in article 1qkftjinnoij cronkite cisco com pitargue cisco com marciano pitargue writes stuff deleted about causes of people in er and your factoid about shooting victims in the er count how many come in due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes maybe we should outlaw cars marciano pitargue cisco com there are a lot of automobile accidents but atleast there is some regulation to try to combat this when i got my drivers license i had to take a drivers safety class tennessee at least does not require any sort of safety class to get a drivers license all that is required is one twenty question quiz and to drive a car around the block without crashing i have to be licensed to drive in all probability no you dont you are required to be licensed to drive on public roads a license is not necessary on private property my car must be registered most states do not require the registration of cars that are not used on public roads those that do california i know of do so for tax purposes more than anything else i must at least where i live have liability insurance on both myself driving and my car if someone else had an accident with it many states do not currently require this and most again only make this requirement for public roads a car sitting unused is not required to have insurance hmm wouldnt manditory saftey classes registration of both the owner and gun and manditory liability insurance be nice for gun owners the two are not the same as i pointed out above there are significant difference between making rules for use on public property and making rules for ownership the other half of the objection is trust similar things to this have been tried in many local jurisdications across the country and have been abused in far too many cases safety classes which are never sheduled never funded or only one or two is held a year for a limited number of participants registration lists in new york chicago and california have been used for confiscation many gun owners would in theory support these planes although the numbers overwhelmingly show that competence is not the problem that intentional misuse is theyve simply seen it abused and are leery of the next person who comes down the pike with a reasonable suggestion theyve already seen abused david veal univ of tenn div of cont education info services group pa146008 utkvm1 utk edu i still remember the way you laughed the day your pushed me down the elevator shaft im beginning to think you dont love me anymore weird al medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition carl sol1 gps caltech edu carl j lydick writes of course bee venom isnt a single chemical could be your brother is reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock in other people similarly chinese food isnt just msg there are a lot of other ingredients in it why when someone eats something with lots of ingredients they dont normally consume one of which happens to be msg do they immediately conclude that any negative reaction is to the msg arghhhhhhhhhh read the memos i said that i personally had other people order the exact same food at two different times from the same restaurant and the people that ordered the food for me did not tell me which time the msg was in the food and which time it was not in the food one time i had a reaction one time i did not the reaction came the time the msg was in the food that was the only difference same restaurant same ingredients why when someone eats something with lots of ingredients they dont normally consume one of which happens to be msg do they immediately conclude that any negative reaction is to the msg i eat lots of chinese food i love chinese food ive just learned the following if i get food at one of the restaurants that does not use msg or if i prepare the food myself without msg or if i order the food from a restaurant that will hold the msg and i never get soup unless its from a restaurant that cooks without the msg i do not get a reaction okay do you understand i get a reaction from msg i do not get a reaction when there is no msg if youre having trouble understand this please tell me which of the words you do not understand and ill look them up in the dictionary for you the great secret of successful marriage is to treat all disasters as incidents and none of the incidents as disasters harold nicholson mary allison mary uicsl csl uiuc edu urbana illinois windows dos font size in windows i have an 8514 a card and i am using windows in 1024x768 mode normal 8514 a font not small in the 386 enhanced mode the dos window font is too small for my 14 monitor is there a way to spacify the font size for the dos window youll have to excuse me if there is a trivial answer since i am fairly new to ms windows world thanks please include this message for reference s alavi ssa unity ncsu edu 919 467 7909 h 919 515 8063 w guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1993apr20 143255 12711 mcs kent edu mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu the lawnmowerman writes also someone should have told david and his followers that if they cant the heat then they should stay out of the kitchen pun intended this tops the cold hearted bastard list unbelievable had this countries morals sunk this low that the death of innocent people is so callously viewed flame off aaah daniaalson yah wanna fight fight me matthew r hamilton mhamilto mcs kent edu a k a cs physics major 1499h751 ksuvxb kent edu the lawnmowerman kent state university 1299h751 ksuvxb kent edu look here for future advice quotes sayings jibberish philosohy jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 baseball re notes on jays vs indians series in article c5f6rj 7bj ncoast org actuary ncoast org steven m goldman writes so who will start this years all star game for the al probably alomar not to put him down hes a great player but it helps to have all the recognition hes had plus to play in a city which is likely to pour in the votes i like alomar but id like to differ with your opinion about a city which is likely to pour in the votes i attended many games last year during the balloting i know that a great number of the attendees did not fill out their ballots but left them beer soaked and torn on the floor of the stands toronto gets no more and no less votes than any other city for the all star game unfortunately this is not a one time thing ive attended games during the last four seasons and it has happened every time the apathetic attitude to all star ballots really offends me ljs baseball braves win opener well maddux looked excellent as the braves shutout the cubs 1 0 justice drove in the only run with an rbi single in the first get ready for him to have a monster year he is now hitting the ball to the opposite field with a lot of power to go with his natural power to right field and his good batting eye if he stays healthy which he should his back is full strength this year he should get over 100 rbi and close to 30 hr in another note the marlins got off to a good start beating the dodgers i believe the score was 6 3 but im not sure i wish them and the rockies well this year hell i think it would be funny to watch the dodgers hit the cellar again this year dan smith guns re militia incredibly long in article 1qna9m nq8 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article c5l0n2 5ll ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge writes but do you knew how much organization is required to training a large group of poeple twice a year just to try to get the same people every year provide a basic training to new people so they can be integrated into the force and find a suitable location it requires a continually standing committee of organizers again my response is so what is mr rutledge arguing that since the local and federal governments have abandoned their charter to support such activity and passed laws prohibiting private organizations from doing so that they have eliminated the basis for the rkba on the contrary to anyone who understands the game they have strengthened it no i originally argued that the second amendment was a little bit and an anachronism these prohibiting laws are examples why the are an anachronism after all laws in made by representatives of the people these representatives of the people have already decided that the second amendment does not apply or is too broad in some cases since these representatives feel an unconditional interpretation is not wanted then it is probable that they majority of the people feel the same way if this is so it is an example of the people using their power of government if this is not how the people feel the people should stand up and state their wishes mox nix mr rutledge you are the only one here claiming that the rkba is dependent on the existence of a top flight well regulated militia why this is a false assumption has already been posted a number of times no i simple stated that the people have a right to join a well organized militia and i have also stated that a militia that meets once or twice a year is clearly well organized and this state of readiness that i have claimed the people have a right to is the same state of readiness expected of the militia as stated by hamilton if only it were a modern document with a john lawrence rutledge smart index and hyper links stretching all research assistant through the world data net it was terribly frustrating to flip back and forth between interactive media group the pages and crude flat illustrations that computer science department never even moved nor were there animated umass lowell arrows or zoom ins it completely lacked a 1 university ave for sound lowell ma 01854 most baffling of all was the problem of new words in normal text youd only have to 508 934 3568 touch an unfamiliar word and the definition jrutledg cs ulowell edu would pop up just below from david brins earth guns re luser actually now we have established that i dont believe what you believe as well as why i dont believe it and if its boring then i yield the last word to you if you want it you may say anything you like with impunity i am dropping the subject john l scott how very kind of you windows keyboard specifications to all hardware and firmware gurus my current home project is to build a huge paddle keyboard for a physically handicapped relative of mine my goal is for this keyboard to look exactly like an at sytle keyboard to its host system this will be a highly endowed keyboard with a little pcl from z world at its heart the only thing i lack is detailed information on the hardware signaling that the 486 with windows 3 1 and dos 5 0 will be expecting my project is independant of windows my hope is that some of you fellow windows users programmers will recognize what i need and be willing to point me in the right direction i have the winn l rosch hardware bible 2nd edition the hb gives most if not all of the information i will need concerning scan codes and even a wire diagram for the ps 2 style connector i will need but it leaves a number of important questions unanswered 1 is it synchronous or asynchronous serial communication im guessing synchronous since the host is providing a clock in either event how is the data framed 2 is it half duplex or truly one way im guessing half duplex since the host can turn leds on and off 3 are there any chipsets available for communicating with the at keyboard standard other than by cannibalizing a real keyboard if anyone knows of a book or article or any other written source of information on the above please advise me at gamet erg sri com whatever i do it must be safe for i cannot afford to replace the 486 in the event of a booboo thank you for your time danke fuer ihre zeit thomas gamet gamet erg sri com software engineer sri international medicine re can men get yeast infections my then wife used to get recurrent yeast infections one day her doctor sent her home with medication for her and a pill for me i took the pill upon her insistence and was very relieved the next day when i looked it up in the pdr it only rarely causes testicular atrophy anyway men apparently do get yeast infections guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1993apr21 053035 29591 mcs kent edu mhamilto nimitz mcs kent edu the lawnmowerman writes oh then i guess that shooting those kind of babies is all right you sick bastard why thanks for your reply to my post by the way i never never ever said that it was right to shoot those kind of babies lets go to the videotape heres exactly what you posted this is murder atf murderers butchers flame on is this guy serious if he would ever really pay attention to the news oops i forgot that the media for the most part loves to jump right on top of a story before all the facts are known as well as to manipulate what we see and thus what we believe any ways one of koreshs devoted followers that did i repeat did survive this genocidal mass slaughter of innocent people besides there are nine survivors in the burn unit of the local hospital and was reported that david was in one of the towers when the shit hit the fan besides a majority of these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit sp also someone should have told david and his followers that if they cant the heat then they should stay out of the kitchen pun intended so if you werent saying that the deaths of bastard children of a sacreligious zealot was no big thing and i know i am not the only one who read it that way just what the hell were you saying however it was the branch davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their savior yeah right budy boy because he had brain washed them into believing that what ever he says is the truth even if means that they are to give up their lives for his cause therefore it is davids fault and not the atfs who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out this was 50 days to many for me and for many of the rest of the u s so who brainwashed you into believing that whatever the government says it the truth or that koresh was any actual threat to you and the rest of the us havent you ever stopped to wonder why the government raided this farm this raid was not about religion sex or child abuse to the best available evidence at the moment this raid psychological torture and group death was about koreshs failure to pay a 200 tax on one grenade launcher that he may or may not even have had thats why it was the batf doing the raiding in the first place do you think a 200 tax evasion justifies an armed assault by the government with 100 armed men in trailers orchestrated character assassination noise torture and a holocaust i am however sad to hear of the death of any child unlike the sick bastard i supposedly am then think before you post cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all tim in article 1ppg8b fvq armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes joes telxon mis telxon com joe staudt writes in article 1phoi3 s95 armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes stuff deleted the silly thing about this whole argument is that most of the trunk releases im tempted to say all but theres bound to be a counterexample only operate if the car is on acc or running thus you cant easily pop the trunk without starting the car most cars the only cars ive ever seen with this feature have been gm cars my 88 mazda 80 honda and coming soon 93 probe all have cable operated releases my 84 camaro had an electric hatch release that was thankfully independent of the key in the ignition the exception to the rule mentioned in my first sentence i should probably have said glovebox trunk releases i havent encountered any glovebox releases that are cable operated numerous gm and several ford mercury cars that ive encountered have electrical releases in the glovebox and all of the ones ive seen needed the ignition on to some degree to operate your camaro example is noted but since its a hardtop its not a big deal ive never run into a convertible with a cable operated trunk release id agree 100 that in such an environment a cable or always active electrical release would be rather stupid jim frost jimf centerline com my honda has a cable release that can be locked out with the ignition key the valet key can be left with someone and will not unlock the trunk or enable the cable release i remember my mothers 86 corvette that had an electronic hatch release located on the drivers door which was always active the fact that the car had no real trunk makes the security measure of beign able to dis able the hatch release unnecessary guns re my gun is like my american express card in article 93105 215548u28037 uicvm uic edu jason kratz u28037 uicvm uic edu writes in article 1993apr15 202811 29312 csd newshost stanford edu andy sail stanford edu andy freeman says i have been at a shooting range where gang members were practicing shooting how do we know that they were gang members and not undercover cops or even law abiding menacing minorities btw why the sneer quotes we know because the area that the gun shop shooting range is in is right on the border of the west side of chicago that is a gang infested area there are many many bad things going on in that area also i have several friends that live very close to that area who have had problems with some of these folks by the way where did i say that they were minorities that was what i got from your phrasing too well then were they the ones you saw black you dont deny seem to deny it either do you think that only minorities have gangs not so as far as the quotes are concerned it was totally obvious that they werent just practicing for marksmanship i dont know about you but i have never seen anyone else practice marksmanship by taking their gun out of their coat as fast as possible and start shooting that is the recommended way to practice with a ccw too aim alone is no good for defense if you cant get the gun rapidly if you would have been there andy it wouldve been obvious to you too what outside of prejudice would have made it obvious of course it might not have been who knows all i do know is that i was there i live here and i know that they were gang bangers when you live here long enough it becomes pretty easy to spot them via gang colors gang signs etc yes prejudice is more subtle in the north isnt it one last thing my sister is a social worker she makes it her point to find these things out gang signs colors etc because it is in her best interest to do so she is nice enough to let me know these things so i can watch out for myself as i live right on the border of the west side of the city enough said more than enough i understand you completely jason jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 religion re rosicrucian order s in article 1qppef i5b usenet ins cwru edu ch981 cleveland freenet edu tony alicea writes kent you say that there are about 4 10 competing rosicrucian orders existing today most of them are spin offs from oto and other competing organizations from the 19th century france germany maybe i should write an article please dont huh it might be interesting he is relating the story as i have heard it btw about all this i spent some time investigating these organizations and their conceptual world view systems name just three really competing rosicrucian orders i have probably spent more time than you doing the same none of them are spin offs from o t o the opposite may be the case huh care to back that up josh guns re waco clinton press conference part 2 did anyone else notice how the question of what federal laws were violated was brushed aside id like to know what laws were violated and on what evidence the orignial batf warrants were based baseball re harry caray last night bill veeck cam to me in my dreams and this is what he said cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs scuk cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs cuck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck cubs suck oh yeah he aqlso added that harry is a drunken idiot who shoulda stayed in st louis where his heart is but also added that fair weathered fans all like to be together i guess this is the reason harry is now a cub fan bud man note he never really left st louis jim walker go sox cubs suck medicine re proventil inhaler in article 16bb6cdeb rick ysub ysu edu rick ysub ysu edu rick marsico writes does the proventil inhaler for asthma relief fall into the steroid or nonsteroid category looking at the product literature its not clear non steroid proventil is a brand of albuterol a bronchodilator regards jay keller asthmatic proventil head guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu bill green writes just to shed some light on the fire it was widely reported ap etc that there were several witnesses to bd folks starting the fires it has also been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once which rules out a bradley knocking over a lamp etc as the cause widely reported eh remember this has had a news blackout since day 2 the fbi is the single sole source of these rumors it may be the truth but it may not be we may never know we must question it though why no media coverare what were they hiding what i would like to see is some serious discussion of this incident i believe the moves made were right and proper but i still have some problems with some of the tactics after watching the abc special on it tonight as well as cnn and nightline i question some of the atf and fbi actions 1 could it have been possible to have taken koresh outside the compound at some time before the feb 28th raid it would seem so 2 could a further wait have resulted in a different outcome they would still be alive today another day is another chance 3 were fbi actions blaring loudspeakers etc the right course of action i think it contributed to the outcome folks that are sleep deprived tend not to think clearly and a few other questions like i said i believe the actions taken in general were proper but i still have some reservations i feel strongly they were not proper one other point im no fan of janet reno but i do like the way she had the balls to go ahead and take full responsibility seems like the waffle boy had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue as expected if it had come out well he would not have hesitated to take full credit jim jmd handheld com im always rethinking that theres never been a day when i havent rethought that but i cant do that by myself bill clinton 6 april 93 if i were an american as i am an englishman while a foreign troop was landed in my country i never would lay down my arms never never never william pitt earl of chatham 1708 1778 18 nov 1777 guns re some more about gun control in article c5bu9m 2k7 ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge wrote in article 1q96tpinnpcn gap caltech edu arc cco caltech edu aaron ray clements writes the second amendment is a guarantee of the right to bear arms clearly and unequivocally without infringement unfortunately the second amendment is not as clear as you state if last part of it is taken along it follows what you have said the problem i have is with the first part of the single sentence which makes up the amendment the second amendment is a well regulated militia being necessary to the security militia of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear state arms shall not be infringed arms you didnt even get the capitalization correct try reading usca on the constitution or get any other correct version of the constitution this mention of a well regulated militia is what confuses me according to the federalist papers a well regulated militia has a well defined structure and follows nationally uniform regulations perhaps you should actually read the federalist papers james madison federalist paper 46 besides the advantage of being armed which the americans possess over the people of almost every other nation the existence of subordinate governments to which the people are attached and by which the militia officers are appointed forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of europe which are carried as far as the public resources will bear the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms james madison i annals of congress 434 8 june 1789 the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed a well regulated militia composed of the body of the people trained to arms is the best and most natural defense of a free country alexander hamilton federalist paper 29 on the organization of the militia little more can reasonably be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped and in order to see that this be not neglected it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year alexander hamilton federalist paper 29 speaking of standing armies if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow citizens but surely hamilton and madison didnt mean the people when they said people right thats why the amendment refers to the right of the militia your average 17 45 year old male does not fall into the definition youre right the militia consists of all able bodied males and probably females under current interpretation therefore most members of the militia the one the every gun advocate refers to are not members of a well organized militia and therefore are not directly the amendment does nor refer to well organized it says well regulated i have some targets you may examine if you wish to check how well regulated i am mentioned in the amendment if this amendment wanted to allow every member of the militia to keep and bear arms why did it specificly mention a well organized militia in the same sentence as the right to keep and bear arms correct thats why the right is reserved to the people and that was to insure the people could form a well regulated militia not a well organized militia it could be argued that the first part of the sentence is separate from the last part if so why was it include in the same atomic unit of written what do atomic units have to do with this argument any moron can set h bar c 1 instead of a separate sentence oh i see what your question is why dont you read the federalist papers james madison federalist paper 41 regarding the general welfare clause nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars but what does madison know about the grammatical style of the 2nd he only wrote it the amendment also implies that the right to arms has to due with the security of a free state the federalist papers mention of a well regulated militia gives many examples of how this militia protects the security of a free state all these examples are actions of a very organized force not some john q public with a gun thats obviously because youve never actually read the federalist papers all that the second amendment clearly states to me is that the peoples right to form well regulated militias shall not be infringed that is people have the right to join a well organized militia this well organized militia will of course provide training in how to use arms and in basic military tactics these training members of the militia can keep and bear the arms cant read huh show me where the document says well organized militia lastly reading through the federalist papers on well organized militia it is very clear that many of the reasons for these militias one reason stated is the protection from a standing army these days the standing army could easily defeat a group consisting of every 17 45 year old male and female not in the armied forces that is exactly why every person should be allowed to own any weapon currently in use in the armed forces another reason stated for well organized militias is to reduced the need for a standing army well the us armied forces have been a standing army for more than half the history of the us but the major reason is to protect against that very same army it seems to me the whole reason for the second amendment to give the people protection from the us government by guaranteeing that the people can over through the government if necessary is a little bit of an anachronism is this day and age maybe its time to re think how this should be done and amend the constitution appropriately abraham lincoln first inaugural address march 4 1861 this country with its institutions belongs to the people who inhabit it whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it rep elbridge gerry of massachusetts spoken during floor debate over the second amendment i annals of congress at 750 17 august 1789 what sir is the use of a militia it is to prevent the establishment of a standing army the bane of liberty whenever governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people they always attempt to destroy the militia in order to raise an army upon their ruins so now we know which category mr rutledge is in he means to destroy our liberties and rights charles scripter cescript phy mtu edu dept of physics michigan tech houghton mi 49931 when all government in little as in great things shall be drawn to washington as the centre of all power it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated thomas jefferson 1821 windows re where to find diamond speedstar 24x drivers cica indiana edu pc drivers the current version is 2 0 guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 4615 isgtec isgtec com robert isgtec com robert osborne writes michael frederick rhein mfrhein wpi wpi edu wrote in article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it as someone else has pointed out why would the stove be in use on a warm day in texas not that i agree with the original theory or anything buuuuut since their utilities were turned off they might be using wood stoves to cook their meals rob robert a osborne uunet ca isgtec robert or robert isgtec com to rob and all others that have been debating about the wood stove the original post claimed that the atf fbi was pumping napalm into the building with the hopes that the wood stove inside would ignite it i responed with why would the wood stove be lit in the first place it wouldnt be lit for heating purposes because of the weather in texas everyone now claims that it was for cooking stop and think about this cs gas was being pumped into the building and i presume that everyone was wearing gas masks either bought or some type of makeshift type and this had been going on for 6 hours i dont know if you have ever been around cs but i have being exposed to cs gas was part of my army training so i know that without a mask it very uncomfortable and makes your eyes water nose run and makes you sick in the stomach and with the mask it is very difficult to drink water much less eat so my question now is why were they cooking food i will buy that a lantern could have been knocked over and caused the fire but that stove was not being used for cooking unless they were even more crazy than the atf fbi claim michael medicine analgesics with diuretics i sometimes see otc preparations for muscle aches back aches that combine aspirin with a diuretic the idea seems to be to reduce inflammation by getting rid of fluid does this actually work thanks larry c baseball re braves giants tmiller cimmeria gatech edu thomas miller writes does anyone else think that this weekends four game series was a really strange one yes it was the strangest series i have ever watched and the ending fit perfectly kurt in atlanta hoyt cc gatech edu kwh salestech com 70242 652 compuserve com politics from the greek poli many tics ugly blood sucking parasites guns re guns in backcountry no thanks in article 1qpavfinn2jp clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes in article 0096b294 aad9c1e0 uinpla npl uiuc edu reimer uinpla npl uiuc edu paul e reimer writes in article 1qkftjinnoij cronkite cisco com pitargue cisco com marciano pitargue writes stuff deleted about causes of people in er due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes maybe we should outlaw cars there are a lot of automobile accidents but atleast there is some regulation to try to combat this such as drunk drivers get back on the road in no time to kill again seems the drivers license process does not work for this i can testify to this my cousin spent a few weeks in the hospital and his friend was killed because of a drunk driver the son of a b is back on the streets officers from the scene are still p ed about that one to take a drivers safety class because you wanted one while you were underage i have to be licensed to drive only on public roads my car must be registered only if it is to be driven on public roads other than between segments of my property i must at least where i live have liability insurance on both myself driving and my car if someone else had an accident with it only on public roads and this obviously doesnt always work else why would they offer uninsured motorist coverage hmm wouldnt manditory saftey classes registration of both the owner and gun and manditory liability insurance be nice for gun owners i object to mandatory registration because i dont trust my government not to use any information i give them for their own purposes i am licensed to carry a concealed pistol in my home state but they never asked whether i actually owned a firearm a safety class before issuing a permit to carry is reasonably provided such classes are regularly available to the public of course most places would consider my time in the reserves and on a competition rifle team to count perhaps if it gave them permission to shoot in public roads and parks hey now thats an idea paul reimer jim now unless you have an agenda against private ownership of firearms why would you want to harass the person trying to legally defend themselves or exercise their rights i know defending oneself family whoever is a right at least as far as my 9mm and i are concerned also as far as the state of alabama seems to be concerned why dont you push for stricter prosecution of those who use firearms in the commission of a crime ive already pointed out how we arent nailing duis hard enough comparing the us with other countries seldom works but the european attitude towards alchohol and dui seems to work their attitude towards weapons isnt really a valid comparison because theyve historically done their best to keep the populace disarmed and submissive while our country was founded by a bunch of rugged individualists who told the european monarchies for the most part to take a flying leap used more polite language though we even weaseled out of our first international treaty and then convinced the french that it was in their best interests not to complain but first we had to overcome the fact that the brits were doing their best to restrict us to squirrel guns and such so wed be properly submissive while they forced us to pay for their wars of course most american history classes these days tend to gloss over facts that do not fit the image they wish to convey im glad my amer hist teacher was a libertarian who had us review a good portion of the federalist papers and debate their origins and meanings enough rambling james james s cochrane when in danger or in doubt run in this space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles scream and shout for rent medicine re emphysema question thanks for all your assistance ill see if he can try a different brand of patches although hes tried two brands already are there more than two melissa mmatusev radford vak12ed edu after a time you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting it is not logical but it is often true spock to stonn religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes in article bskendigc5ku3c 6dx netcom com bskendig netcom com brian kendig writes ive asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me brian k i am pleased with your honesty and to be honest as well i believe you have not asked my god to come to you why do i say this because that would contradict your religious beliefs therefore you feel more comfortable simply accusing his sincerity so you will not have to critically examine your religious beliefs merlyn leroy cars re vibration when brakes are applied hi javier how are things at corp my old stomping ground was c level vibration when applying the brakes can be caused on disc brakes at least by warped rotors when the brakes are applied there results uneven pressure on the rotor turning the rotors by a brake shop will remedy this problem as long as there is enough rotor width left for turning i e within spec there could be some possible front end suspension problem but a brake shop should be able to confirm warped rotors by a visual inspection which is free baseball re braves pitching updatedir in article 1993apr15 010745 1 acad drake edu sbp002 acad drake edu writes or second starter it seems to me that when quality pitchers take the mound the other teams score less runs the team that scores the most runs wins this puts the team with the better pitching at the advantage providing they can stop the opposing team from scoring runs a low scoring game would clearly benefit the braves not clear to me at all id certainly rather have a team who was winning 4 1 games than 2 1 games in the 2 1 game luck is going to play a much bigger role than in the 4 1 game sherri nichols snichols adobe com religion re whos next mormons and jews bill gripp writes anyway ive often wondered what business followers of christ would have with weapons fyi these people were not followers of christ david koresh was their messiah ok but didnt jesus figure somewhere into their beliefs anyway my original question regarding christians and weaponry still stands peter m yadlowsky wake the sky is light academic computing center let us to the net again university of virginia companion keyboard pmy virginia edu after basho cars houston auto insurance hello i am moving to houston to go to rice university for graduate school i will be living on the corner of s mian and university blvd i was wondering what kind of liability rates to expect here is the relevent info sex male age 23 status single commute none walking car 1982 ford crown victoria 4 door if anyone can check the above info or is in a similar situation please e mail me the rates they find out or pay thanks for your help in advance colello delphi com colello cheshire oxy edu cars re tires for ford ranger pickup i have had good luck with my ranger and yokohama 371 s m tires the tires have been wearing well and even the few times i have hauled heavy loads they have done well guns re tanks against civilians was re that silly outdated bill koresh in article scottj 150493092731 iamac 1 dml georgetown edu scottj magic dml georgetown edu john l scott writes picking nits over tanks firing the main gun or not deleted i think the point is being missed that it is apparantly acceptable for big government big brother to use tanks to control the people as long as they dont use the big gun but everything else is allright tanks deployed against civilians let alone firing on them with crew served weaponry a 50 heavy machine gun is crew served is something both our press and government howl about instantly when done in some other country against civilians that have at most one shot at a time light small arms certainly nothing that places the people in or behind the tank in any real danger molotov coctails a round from a rifle or pistol deals with anybody approaching with one of those and snipers too often turn out to be strays from other cops guard army gunfire i dont know about the other people in this group or on the net but the idea of tanks being used to control civilians in anything that pretends to be a free society is outrageous when big government feels it is necessary to use that kind of force to stomp out protests even violent of the citizens that suggests that the government is totally out of control since that is effectively the government declaring war on its own people if the government was living up to its responsibility government of the people by the people not the lords and other elites who want to keep their good thing going the citizens wouldnt feel the need to be resorting to acts that need to be squashed with a military boot people do things like that because they have become convinced that it is the only option that remains other attempts to have grievances redressed have been ignored and yes there is a criminal element that will exploit this but the fact remains that the government has been unresponsive or such acts wouldnt be apt to happen still not an excuse to open up on civilians with tanks heavy machine guns or whatever its the old might makes right philosophy that is the hallmark of a government going rogue they dont like it tough we will simply squash them under an iron boot actually addressing their grievances in other than token fashion with huge volumes of hot air is just too inconvenient sort of a variation on mushroom management keep them in the dark smother them with shit and crush them when ready and these are the folks that many liberals are trying to arrange things so that they will have a monopoly on coercive force firearms that are than expensive toys by gutting the bill of rights cuz it just isnt progressive or doesnt fit in with modern thinking anymore unbelievable and i do believe amid the smoke confusion etc of a real riot situation that it would be possible for a tank to get away with firing the main gun into a building at close range one would hear an explosion among many explosions it is loud but it is not going to stand out like a 1000 pound bomb or a tactical nuke there would be a hole blown in the wall and some rubble but with tanks knocking over walls and other sources of buildings turning into rubble and other covering racket such as gunfire including 50s tacking away it would not stand out that much and could be explained by musta been a gas leak i think it could be done and not be reported under such conditions it is possible it is not like a tank driving down a quiet street on a sunday afternoon turning and firing you know that would stand out and be pretty impossible to cover up john l scott pat rwing uucp without prejudice ucc 1 207 pat myrto seattle wa if all else fails try uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom only two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity and i am not sure about the former albert einstien baseball re hbp bb big cat in article 9460 blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu david m tate writes of course this is not the same as claiming as some do that galarragas inability to defer gratification isnt hurting his team because he isnt paid to walk or is an rbi guy or whatever alright thats enough ive suffered with all kinds of insults as typical for the net but give me a break galarraga is currently batting over 400 and you guys are complaining that he isnt drawing enough walks what would he have to do to please you guys bat 1 000 you can hardly claim that he is hurting his team if it happens that the pitchers start throwing him fewer good pitches and he starts making lots of outs as someone speculated might happen then i would agree with you that he isnt taking enough pitches my comment that he isnt paid to walk doesnt mean that he should have a license to swing at bad pitches and make outs its more along the lines of hes batting 400 and leading the league in rbis so what bloody difference does it make if he isnt drawing a lot of walks sheesh greg baseball chicago visit i am planning a weekend in chicago next month for my first live and in person cubs game i would appreciate any advice from locals or used to be locals on where to stay what to see where to dine etc e mail replies are fine thanks in advance teresa teresa hagerman ohio state university medicine re good grief was re candida albicans what is it in article noringc5u638 bvy netcom com noring netcom com jon noring writes in article dyer spdcc com steve dyer writes in article noring netcom com jon noring writes good grief again why the anger i must have really touched a raw nerve lets see i had symptoms that resisted all other treatments sporanox totally alleviated them within one week hmmm i must be psychotic yesss thats it my illness was all in my mind thanks steve for your correct diagnosis you must have a lot of experience being out there in trenches treating hundreds of patients a week thank you im forever in your debt jon oops gotta run the men in white coats are ready to take me away haha to the happy home where i can go twiddle my thumbs basket weave and moan about my sinuses ever heard of something called the placebo effect i think dyer is reacting because it looks to be yet another case of the same old quackery over and over again it true that current medical knowledge is limited but do you realize just how many quacks exist eager to suck your its playing the lottery at best if the results you got were so clear and obvious would you mind trying a little experiment to see if it is true it would be quite simple have sugar pills and have real pills take one set for one week and the other set for another week without knowing which ones are the real pills then at the end of the 2 weeks compare the results lets say youre wife would know which are the real ones if what you are experiencing is true there should be a marked difference between each week john john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasnt it the black adder medicine barbecued foods and health risk some recent postings remind me that i had read about risks associated with the barbecuing of foods namely that carcinogens are generated is this a valid concern if so is it a function of the smoke or the elevated temperatures is it a function of the cooking elements wood or charcoal vs lava rocks i wish to know more thanks windows re filemanager strange sizes in summary line in 1993apr21 143250 14692 bmers145 bnr ca masika bnr ca nicholas masika writes i have just noticed my filemanager doing something strange recently usually the line at the bottom of the filemanager the status bar i guess displays the total disk space and the total number of bytes for the current selection if i select a whole bunch of files i will get an exact byte count recently i notice it incorrectly displays this count its truncating if i select a file that is say 532 bytes it correctly displays 532 bytes if i select select a file that is 23 482 bytes it displays 23 bytes not 23 kbytes just 23 bytes if i select 893 352 it will report only 893 bytes in the selection if i select over a meg worth of files say 3 356 345 it reports 3 bytes its as if its got a problem with displaying more than 3 characters my system 486dx 33 8m memory stacker 3 0 dos 5 win 3 1 ive run the latest virus scanners scan102 f prot and they didnt report anything could i have unknowingly altered something that controls the formatting of the status bar in the filemanger it sounds like something one may have set the 1000s separator to in contol panel under international this makes 23 482 look like 23 482 and file manager is chopping off what it thinks is the decimal part of the file size 3 356 345 becomes 3 356 345 and again file manager is confused by the decimal points where there should be commas chopping off everything to the right of the first period tony debari fqdn tonyd ssc60 sbwk nj us ci 73117 452 uucp uunet ssc60 tonyd p ghrw14b a k a skip bowler captain of usenet fantasy bowling league team 9 guns denver post yanks assault ads the denver post supposed voice of the supposed rocky mountain empire ran the following in the firearms supplies classified heading on friday 23 april 1993 if you have an opinion about their new found wisdom i am told that the person to speak with is one mr walters 303 820 1267 notice the denver post will no longer knowingly accept any advertise ment to buy or sell assault weap ons the denver post finds that the use of assault weapons poses a threat to the health safety and security of its readers let em know what you think dan spooksmoke revolution assasination thorium cobalt 60 clintin cia nsa shc dod 202 loki acca nmsu edu liberty or death taylordf ucsu colorado edu send me something even you cant read begin pgp public key block version 2 2 mqcnaitfksqaaaeeakceejwi9f5kmjykp0logc5dghrpbmy2xhoo8kpehmdyuf8a 1bfdqsj53kostz6hroshsdzlvul1 40vpjmmntfr vyz4jvd3rl4iuq2ummmex3m itf3ult8xn v qabsvhcfshvjvk4lf6wosucmo03m2tix31ai7vb0uzo4yxjaaux tcreyw5pzwwgribuyxlsb3igpexva2laywnjys5ubxn1lmvkdt4 s5ib end pgp public key block cars re wife wants convertible aas7 po cwru edu andrew a spencer writes in a previous article dspalme mke ab com diane palme x2617 says nuet ke pts mot com keith nuetzman x3153 p7625 writes help my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car jp vllyoak resun com jeff perry writes fyi just last week the pbs show motor week gave the results of what they thought were the best cars for 93 in the convertible category the honda civic del sol achieved this honor i own a del sol and i must vouch for the interior i really looks snazzy wh the top is off i looks a lot better in person than on the television i that motorweek as well needless to say i was smiling a bit by the time it was over watch out for that darned convertible tan tho i simply must inquire how can people honestly consider this car a convertible does porsche have a patent on the targa name i mean convertible to me means top down which the del sol certainly does not do it has the center that lifts out this is what i would term a targa unless porsches was gonna sue me for doing that i know the rear window rolls down but i still can hardly consider this car to be a convertible yes however with the top off and the rear window down this car is more like a convertible than a coupe think of it as a convertible with an integrated roll bar like addition jp windows re need longer filenames in article 1rfdkqinn8s2 zephyr grace cri nz maystonr grace cri nz richard mayston writes path kth se sunic pipex uunet noc near net howland reston ans net wupost waikato ac nz comp vuw ac nz zephyr grace cri nz zephyr grace cri nz usenet newsgroups comp os ms windows misc subject re need longer filenames message id 1rfdkqinn8s2 zephyr grace cri nz from maystonr grace cri nz richard mayston date mon 26 apr 93 03 24 42 gmt 1 00 sender maystonr grace cri nz references 1993apr19 211044 28763 guinness idbsu edu 765461d518325t9 infoserv com distribution world organization industrial research ltd new zealand nntp posting host rmayston grace cri nz lines 10 in article 765461d518325t9 infoserv com hfeldman infoserv com howard mitchell feldman writes in 1993apr19 211044 28763 guinness idbsu edu lhighley gozer idbsu edu larry paul highley wrote is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than the standard 8 3 format yep its called os2 yep you can use any type of unix or maybe vms or buy a mac or something if you want longer filenames for your documents i heard of a wordprocessor for windows which let you assign long names to files those long filenames could only be seen from that programs open save dialogs though maybe someone knows more about this wordprocessor than i do medicine immunotherapy for recurrent miscarriage following a series of miscarriages my wife was given a transfusion of my white cells the theory as i understand it is that there is some kind of immune blocking that prevents the body from attacking the pregnancy as it normally would a foreign body where this blocking is deficient the body evicts the intruder resulting in a miscarriage the white cells apparently enhance the blocking capability following the transfusion she successfully carried the next pregnancy to term and jake is now an active 9 month old who cannot wait to walk were now thinking about having another child but no one including the obgyn who supervised the first transfusion really seems to know whether or not the transfusion process needs to be repeated for successive pregnancies is there anyone in net land who has experience with this thanks gene and jane and jake p s ive also posted this in misc kids windows auto check boxes i have a question about the autocheck boxes in windows is it a possibility to let the boxes have several different colors at the same time frode kvam c name frode kvam univ university of trondheim dept of informatics e mail frode ifi unit no snail mail lademoens kirkealle 8 7042 trondheim voice 47 7 50 45 06 beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers baseball bosox win again the team record is 9 3 today frank viola and rest of pitcher staff of boston red sox shutout chicago white sox 4 0 it is red sox 9th win of this season so far red sox won all the games roger and frank v pitched 6 0 and 3 3 when other three starters were pitching tomorrow dopson will pitch again have a good first start and rocky second start i wonder that bosox can play over 500 ball without roger and frank v windows re bbbbig problem with w4w print file help in article 1993mar31 014237 28478 jupiter sun csd unb ca dwoo unb ca writes to all the w4w experts i have a file that is three pages long with 10 to 12 1 line equations plus a 5 by 2 diagram the size of this file is about 81kb before unlinking all the embedded objects and 30kb after unlinking all the embedded objects well when i print it since i dont have a laser printer i have to send it to a print file w4w gives me back a bbbbbbig file that is well over 6mb long i just fail to see how a 81k file can be boosted to a 6mb file obviously i will not able to carry this 6mb file to the public printer unless i find myself a network card a cable etc could anyone please enlighten me with a solution i already try to print a page at a time it still wont fit into a hd floppy thanx a mil dennis woo department of mechanical engineering e mail dwoo unb ca university of new brunswick tel 506 453 4513 i once had this problem all i did was to copy the whole doc to a new file the problem was gone hope this helps hua cars re old corvettes low insurance in article rjnc5sxmg jqh netcom com richard newton ii rjn netcom com writes on a related note does this seem a sane price for a 67 convertible corvette in good condition how does one determine these things my cr used car magazine doesnt list 67 corvettes any net wisdom on what to look for what to avoid thanks in advance rich first of all you might want to join the vettenet vettes chiller compaq com during your search acquisition of the 67 20k sounds about right for a wrong engine condition 3 car this means that the car may not have significant investment value but could be an excellent driver and or hobby car you will also want to get a copy of the corvette black book immediately dont leave home to look at vettes without it since you are contemplating spending 20k you might want to invest a few hours in reading the corvette buyers guide and purchase noland adams tape how to buy a corvette the tape shows you how to check for damage etc there are many many factors that will affect the value road worthiness and repair expense of your proposed 67 the list is much too long to go into here join the vettenet where there are over 100 current corvette owners many with 60s vintage vettes that are available to help you the pubs i mentioned above are available from mid america designs 800 637 5533 and several other corvette parts sources good luck tom 68 327 350hp 79 cruiser religion laws of god was re a kind and loving god in article 1993apr23 142414 20665 sei cmu edu dpw sei cmu edu david wood writes mlee ra royalroads ca malcolm lee writes these laws written for the israelites gods chosen people whom god had expressly set apart from the rest of the world the israelites were a direct witness to gods existence to disobey god after knowing that god is real would be an outright denial of god and therefore immediately punishable remember these laws were written for a different time and applied only to gods chosen people but jesus has changed all of that we are living in the age of grace sin is no longer immediately punishable by death there is repentance and there is salvation through our lord jesus christ and not just for a few chosen people salvation is available to everyone jew and gentile alike sorry if this is late for the thread but i thought god was supposed to be constant and never changing how do you reconcile this common christian view with the paragraph above god never changes he still loves us sending jesus was one of his attempts to reconcile with mankind the nature of god has not changed also while were at it 1 how do you reconcile a kind and loving god with the judeo christian view that sin was at one time immediately punishable by death was killing people for sinning gods way of showing kindness and love sinning in the face of god was punishable by immediate death there are several ot passages to back this up god is god he cannot tolerate the prescence of sin in his midst and the israelites knew this and still some of them chose to disobey and were destroyed were these people kind and loving themselves god gave them every break he could but in the end he really had no choice in the matter seeing as how we were failing to achieve salvation on our own he sent his son to die for us to be the ultimate sin offering now we live in the age of grace 2 is the fact the he no longer does this an admission on his part of having made a mistake he sent his son as a consolation to us out of love 3 now that we are living in the age of grace does this mean that for our sins god now damns us to eternal hell after we die rather than killing us immediately if so is this eternal damnation an example of a kind and loving god hey lets be fair for a moment here kind and loving does not mean a free ride there is an amount of give and take as in any relationship parents are supposed to be kind and loving but does that mean that children can do whatever they want not part of being a parent means administering punishment when the child is at fault part of being a parent means giving instruction god tests us through the trial of life such that we may grow stronger he teaches what is right and what is wrong the consequences of our actions are made clear to us be it heaven or be it hell if god did not follow through with what he has warned us about he would not be a very good parent in parenting if a parent issues a warning but does not follow through with it the children will not take that parents words very seriously god does the same by telling us who have ears to hear what to do and what not to do by lifes trials we see the folly of doing our own will rather than his he warns us about the consequences of rejecting him when it comes time for judgement do we follow him i will peace be with you malcolm lee just curious dave wood windows re mac disks in windows because of the technology apple uses with their 800k disks ibm pc cant read them without special hardware 1 44m disks work more alike ibms so we only can read 1 44 m disks on a pc andy guns re blast them next time in article 1r19l9 7dv usenet ins cwru edu oldham ces cwru edu daniel oldham writes what happened in waco is not the fault of the batf if they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the with the wod and the increased crime in the streets the batf is needed more now then ever if they blast away a few good fokes then that is with the arms build up in waco they needed to hit that compound with mega fire power they could of gone in there blasting and killed a few i hope this is a joke if not heres my response the batf has a history of no knock raids with poor evidence often resulting in innocent people being killed or suffering injury to person or property i will not support the batf until they clean up their act maybe as to equipment the batf has damn near anything it wants their faults were in intelligence military and civilian definitions apply tactics attacking during daylight methodology the fbi stated that it is against government policy to assault a position where there are non combatants potential hostages without attempting negotiations first and legality the batfs jurisdiction is taxes on firearms and tobacco they are a branch of the department of the treasury they have very curiously backed away from their claims of illegal weaponry to push the child abuse charges the batf has no jurisdiction over non firearms tobacco issues and the charges of child abuse had been investigated in the past with no violence and no validation this was a clear case of first the batf then the fbi having watched too many rambo movies my opinion is that the agent in charge should be charged with executing an illegal raid criminal negligence murder civil rights violations and breaking his her oath to uphold and defend the constitution of the us the warrant should be unsealed to reveal to the public what justification the batf thought it had in committing an armed assault on american citizens and while on the issue of investigating this issue the randy weaver case and the johnny lawmaster case should be investigated for batf wrongdoing james btw if the batf came busting in my windows with concussion grenades you could damn well bet i would return fire to the utmost of my ability james s cochrane when in danger or in doubt run in this space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles scream and shout for rent windows re program manager two questions in article 1993apr22 204406 20330 vpnet chi il us lisbon vpnet chi il us gerry swetsky writes 1 is it possible to change the icons in the program groups id like to give them some individuality do you mean the icons of the program groups or the icons of the individual programs in the program groups i assume you mean the latter and the answer is sure you can just click once not double on the application icon then alt f p file properties click on the change icon box and tell it the icon filename or use the browse sub selection 2 can you set up a short cut key to return to the program manager i know ctl esc esc will do it but id rather set it up so i can avoid the task list and get back to the p m with alt f1 i use alt tab hold the alt key and repeatedly press tab until you see program mangler up then release the alt key stan brown oak road systems brown ncoast org english is my native language and i love it but dont try to tell me that its easy to learn or that it makes sense if it were baseline would rhyme with vaseline baseball re jewish baseball players in article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we werent able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help stankiewicz i doubt it koufax was one of two jewish hofs the other is hank greenberg other good players buddy myer johnny kling norm and larry sherry ken holtzman saul rogovin ed reulbach there have been over 150 jewish major leaguers a few years ago there was an article about someone who keeps track of this in spy magazine the article was entitled jews on first of course there have also been at least two books on the subject roger baseball re jack morris michael chen mike cunixf cc columbia edu wrote in any case i think viola would have made a better signing why viola is younger and is left handed how many left handed starters does toronto have well i agree that viola is a better signing however why does everyone say that you want lefthanded starters i understand lefthanded spot relievers even though they usually face more righthanded batters than lefthanded batters i just dont understand why people insist on lefthanded starters unless there is a park effect e g yankee stadium most batters in mlb are righthanded so righthanded starters will have the platoon advantage more often than lefthanded starters i guess one argument for lefty starters is that certain teams may be more vulnerable to lhps than rhps however this is probably only a factor in the postseason because teams seldom juggle their starters for this reason during the regular season i think you just want the best starters you can get regardless of whether they are lefties or righties lefthanded starters tend to have higher eras than righthanded starters precisely because managers go out of their way to start inferior lefties or perhaps because of the platoon advantage am i missing something here craig cars re trading in a car thats not paid for pointers please in article 49422 fibercom com rrg rtp fibercom com rhonda gaines writes im planning on purchasing a new car and will be trading in my 90 mazda mx 6 dx ive still got 2 more years to pay on it how does that get taken into account when i purchase my new car does the dealership pay off my car and add on the amount they had to pay to the purchase price of the new car someone please explain this to me if you dont already know it you should call the bank credit union finance company that holds the loan on your present car and get the current payoff cost if you are trading in your current car on the new car subtract the payoff amount from the trade in the dealer is giving you if this turns out to be a negative number you need to reconsider the deal subtract this difference from the price of the new car this is the size of the loan you will need for the new car the dealer will take care of paying off the loan on your old car out of the money you give them when you pick up your new car at least thats how it worked for me 5 years ago in ohio thanks rhonda joseph staudt telxon corp joes telxon com p o box 5582 usenet is like tetris for people who still akron oh 44334 0582 remember how to read 216 867 3700 x3522 j heller cars re mgbs and the real world in article 1993apr5 181056 29411 mks com mike mks com mike brookbank writes my sister has an mgb she has one from the last year they were produced 1978 1979 its in very good shape ive been bugging her for years last year produced 1980 about selling it ive said over and over that she should sell it before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability which one of us is right are there mgb affectionados out there who are still willing to pay 6k to 8k for an old mg are there a lot out in the market yes there are still alot of mgbs out there the earlier cars pre 74 1 2 are usually more desirable due to certain things that went with having chrome bumpers ride height generally more power the older cars are appreciating slowly the newer ones seem to be at a stable level at the moment 6 to 8k would require extremely good condition and low miles if the car is in good shape and regular maintenance is kept up on it the car should last for a long time there are still plenty of parts sources ouththere the mgb is a great fun little car if she is keeping it solely in the hopes that it is going to appreciate tell her to sell it it is not worth waiting the time it would take to appreciate to a real profitable level rick guynn mg driver soontobe mga 1600 mkii rcg1597 zeus tamu edu rebuild complete to be finished texas a m university keeper of the eternal octagon 69 mgb roadster a k a the marque symbol that ill have it registered soon refuses to die honest medicine re paxil request i dont know much and in fact have asked questions here myself my doctor told me that paxil is a cleaner sri in that it produces fewer side effects as to a comparison between zoloft and prozac im not able to remember what he said about the differences between those two drugs sorry guns nra commercial just saw a new commercial by the nra it starts out with a bunch of politicians talking about how to get rid of crime they finally realize that they need to put criminals away longer but there isnt enough jail space so they decide on another gun law during this whole seen there quoteing various statistics on how easy criminals get off in the next seen the politician is announceing on tv how this gun law will get rid of crime and there is this grungy looking guy criminal watching him on tv just laughing his ass off classic sean medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition smjeff lerc05 lerc nasa gov jeff miller writes even properly controlled studies e g double blind studies are almost useless if you are trying to prove that something does not affect anyone and in article 1qnns0 4l3 agate berkeley edu spp zabriskie berkeley edu steve pope writes the mass of anectdotal evidence combined with the lack of a properly constructed scientific experiment disproving the hypothesis makes the msg reaction hypothesis the most likely explanation for events good grief has no one ever heard of biostatistics the university of washington plus 3 or 4 others harvard unc has a department and advanced degree program in biostatistics my wife has an ms biostat and there are plenty of mds phds and postdocs doing biostatistical work people do this for a living really bright people study for decades to do this sort of study well anecedotal evidence is worthless even doctors who have been using a drug or treatment for years and who swear it is effective are often suprised at the results of clinical trials whether or not msg causes describable reportable documentable symptoms should be pretty simple to discover the last study on which my wife worked employed 200 nurses 100 doctors and a dozen ph ds at one university and at 70 hospitals in five nations i would think the msg question could be settled by one lowly biostat ms student in a thesis bruce windows cirrus logic 5426 graph card after setting up windows for using my cirrus logic 5426 vlb graphicscard it moved a normal window from one place to another my parameters where just the following 486 dx 33 vlb the card is equipped with 1 mb dram not vram there are 8 sockets for vram and the moving of the window just looked like it looked at a friends 386dx 25 387dx and an normal isa et4000 what i was wondering why is it not using the bitblt engine which is suuposed to be on the chip how are the experiences here have i done something wrong i installed the mswin 3 1 multiresolution drivers which where supplied with the card would be nice if somebody could tell about his experience with this card also if there are new hopefully faster drrivers around i would love to how to get hold of them ftp or whatsoever gruss wolfgang medicine re krillean photography in article c64fum 5b8 news claremont edu ebrandt jarthur claremont edu eli brandt writes in article mmeyer 93apr26102056 m2 dseg ti com mmeyer m2 dseg ti com mark meyer writes besides kirilian photography is actually photography of my friends two year old son kiril perhaps you meant kirlian i think it was a typo for karelian photography which is the practice of taking pictures of either finns or russians depending on whom one asks think we can lose the sci image processing group from this thread folks thanks bunches spl steve lamont sciviguy 619 534 7968 spl szechuan ucsd edu san diego microscopy and imaging resource uc san diego la jolla ca 92093 0608 my other car is a car too bumper strip seen on i 805 windows re why is my mouse so jumpy ms mouse ecktons ucs byu edu sean eckton writes i have a microsoft serial mouse and am using mouse com 8 00 was using 8 20 i think but switched to 8 00 to see if it was any better vertical motion is nice and smooth but horizontal motion is so bad i sometimes cant click on something because my mouse jumps around i can be moving the mouse to the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly for a bit then jump to the right then move smoothly for a bit then jump again maybe this time to the left about 5 inch this is crazy i have never had so much trouble with a mouse before anyone have any solutions try this flip your mouse over and open up the cover that holds the mouse ball in place remove the ball and inside you should see probably 3 rollers if any of the rollers have a tiny layer of caked on dirt dust or otherwise unidentifiable scum on them carefully scrape it off with a small knife xacto works great be careful you do not want to gauge the rollers just clean off the dirt put the ball back in put the cover on and there you are i clean a couple of dozen of these every month here another symptom is that when you move the mouse it seems to click along if this doesnt solve your problem at least you have a clean mouse i highly recommend using a proper soft mouse pad and if you are a clean freak place it in your drawer every night or when you dont use it to keep the dust off personally i prefer track balls oh which brings me to another point if your mouse or trackball tracks optically and the sunlight is streaming through the window onto your mouse trackball you may notice that it will stop working if this happens to you close the curtains or blinds or simply shade your pointing device and see if that helps peter goudswaard goudswaa sfu ca preferred pgoudswa cln etc bc ca pgoudswa cue bc ca theres no gift like the present goudswaards observation cars bmw 528i i looked at that bimmer yesterday its an 81 has about 90kmi according to owner odometer stopped working at 68kmi drivess well sounds good body is ok he wants 3000 i liked the car despite its auto tranny but my wife will be a primary driver on this one and she wants auto the radio does not work untill the car warms up and you honk the horn the a c seems to have a leak the sunroof is sticky but operational odometer does not work as mentioned before idle is a bit bouncy going from 900rpm to 1200rpm wipers are slow thats teh gripes the owner says that he changed radiator alternator rotors and calipers exhaust the biggest problem is that the owner is a shifty sob telling strange stories i hate that i would never buy from a persom like that except how often you see a descent 528i for that amount of money he also said that although i could bring a mechanicin he wouldnt let me check the car by taking it to a garage suspicious and who knows what milage is on it so let me know what to check for given theres practically no rust i know there was an article on 528i in r d a few years back anybody remembers what issue mike s cars 80 svx oil change my friend brought a subaru svx recently i had drove it for couples times and i think its a great car esp on snow however when she took it to a local subaru dealer for a oil change the bill came out to be about 80 dollars the dealer told us it is because to change the oil filter on a svx it is necessary to disassemble a metal cover under the engine and that took an hour of labour at first we think we are being ripped off so she phone to a dealer in toronto but found out the they are charging roughly the same price so is there any svx owner out there that has the same problem and if the oil change story is true then the engineer of subaru looks pretty stubid to me by the way the car looks great swd wan medicine re need info on circumci to menon boulder colorado edu ravi or deantha menon ro first off use some decent terms if ya dont mind this is sci med not ro alt sex would you like to rephrase that atp unix1 40a gday mate throw another cat on the barbie cars re mr2 noisy engine in article apr21 221608 22391 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu eliot writes in article 1993apr21 204521 21182 ultb isc rit edu adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu writes the sound he describes is common to any older toyota engine i ever heard i dont know the relevance of his observations about oil changes my simply makes noise not all that annoying mind you but you hear it well when the engine is right behind your left ear i think those with 1 6 mr2s would describe the engine as sweet if a little loud those with 2 2 mr2s i cant imagine any unbiased person paying it any compliments sounded like my ex dormmates rusty chevy chevette with the 1 6 i would want to redline it just for the music with the 2 2 i would short shift so that it would shut up the new camry 2 2 features balance shafts i guess since the mr2 is getting the axe it is too late for them to do anything about this it is no mystery that the turbo mr2 is only 2 liters the engineers had enough integrity to prevent any further abuses also in europe the mr2 mk2 non turbo was also only 2 liters as usual the undiscriminating american market if it is japanese it must be good gets the dogs to be fair we also got the turbo which the europeans well the 1 6 is music to my ears i often turn my stereo off and just run it towards red line on nice twisty roads but toyota engines at idle have a strange bells and whisstles at the bottom of a matal can sound i cant describe it any better just like all the older benzes have a very characteristic clattering sound at idle do you know what im referring to mike s cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time not exactly dumb but who remebers the tachometer on the 69 or 70 firebird bulging out of the hood right in front of the driver neat place but i love to know what the elemnts did to its internals after a few years also does the speedomete pointer on many us cars have to be 3 feet long bijan guns re need senate bill numbers and house resolution numbers in article c5u7io umw hawnews watson ibm com mjp vnet ibm com michael j phelps writes try the firearms archive larry ciprianis instructions follow by the way thanks for the archive larry there are a few bills not yet in the archive but these are the main ones we need to fight and thanks to david robinson for scanning so many of them in for us the subdirectory bills are stored in was moved from congress to congress that is godiva nectar cs cmu edu usr0 anon pub firearms politics rkba congress larry cipriani l v cipriani att com medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr15 135941 16105 lmpsbbs comm mot com dougb comm mot com doug bank writes i woke up at 2 am and puked my guts outs i threw up for so long that im not kidding i pulled a muscle in my tongue dry heaves and everything no one else got sick and im not allergic to anything that i know of the funny thing is the personaly stories about reactions to msg vary so greatly some said that their heart beat speeded up with flush face some claim their heart skipped beats once in a while some reacted with headache some stomach ache some had watery eyes or running nose some had itchy skin or rashes more serious accusations include respiration difficulty and brain damage now here is a new one vomiting my guess is that msg becomes the number one suspect of any problem in this case it might be just food poisoning but if you heard things about msg you may think it must be it jason chen baseball re the 1964 phillies deja vu my dad has always blamed the phillies collapse in 64 on me on sept 21 1964 the phillies had something like a 9 game lead with 12 to play i was born on sept 21 1964 the phils proceeded to lose something like 10 straight while the cards won 10 straight does anyone know hte exact numbers and a pennant was blown to this day my dad likes to remind me that it all began when i was born krm windows re ati ultra pro confirmation in article fn 0razbbh107h eosvcr wimsey bc ca aew eosvcr wimsey bc ca alan walford writes i have heard many things about the ati ultra pro card some have been positive but most are negative could people please confirm these i am interested in the eisa version in particular 1 the card does not work in a system with 32m ram the higher memory limits apply to isa cards only as far as i know the vlb and eisa version should have no problems 2 the card works in a 32m system with some switches set but it is much slower again the memory aperture need only be disabled if you have more than 124m ram eisa and vlb or 12 m isa 32m should not be a problem for you 3 the card is interlaced in its 24bit true colour modes nope i can use 640x480 at 72hz 24 bit and 800x600 at 70hz 24 bit all non interlaced 4 the latest build 59 drivers still do not work in many cases they arent perfect but are much improved i dont recall the last time which i had to leave mach 32 mode ati gup mode and switch to 8514 or vga mode due to software incompatibility 5 this card is the fastest full colour card for the money its quite fast but whether or not its the fastest is open to debate 6 this card is the greatest thing since sliced bread i like it daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman utxvms cc utexas edu dcoleman ccwf cc utexas edu the university of texas at austin decnet utxvms dcoleman electrical computer engineering bitnet dcoleman utxvms bitnet windows hard drive compression ie stacker superstor etc i was wondering if any one knew how the various hard drive compression utilities work my hard drive is getting full and i dont want to have to buy a new one what im intrested in is speed ease of use amount of compression and any other aspect you think might be important as ive never use one of these things before thanks morgan bullard mb4008 coewl cen uiuc edu or mjbb uxa cso uiuc edu windows how to make an rle file im told that i can replace the colorful windows logo that appears as windows invokes with a graphic of my choosing the challange is that the image must be in rle format ive got gifs pics jpgs tifs etc everything but rles whats the best route to converting these things what program should i download and from where has anybody else done this and do you have the steps available thanks e mail to ivory e7sa epi syr ge com or ivory tower com would be prefered guns re dont knock the glock was re my gun is like my am ex card in article 1993apr15 152834 16638 mksol dseg ti com pyron skndiv dseg ti com dillon pyron says some police departments switched to glocks and then started quietly switching many officers back to the old revolvers too many were having accidents partly due to the poor training they received not that glocks require rocket scientists but some cops are baffled by something as complex as the timer on a vcr hell a glock is the last thing that should be switched to the only thing that i know about a glock is the lack of a real safety on it sure there is that little thing in the trigger but that isnt too great of a safety ahem hrumph you have encurred the wrath of glock owners we will beat you with our hammers oooops dont have any seriously there is no difference in the safeties betweena glock and any da revolver intellectually think of the glock as a very high cap revolver ignoring stove pipes misfeeds and all the other bonus exercises that autoloaders give you that is every gun has its safe moment and its dangerous moment if you just learn how to handle it it becomes a lot less dangerous to you dillon pyron the opinions expressed are those of the ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated 214 462 3556 when im here 214 492 4656 when im home texans vote no on robin hood we need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions not gestures padi dm 54909 all very true im going on what i have read and heard from friends basically the glock is great but i have heard read that it is a lot harder to learn proper handling because of the type of safety that it has i was looking at a glock 40s w and the s w 4006 a couple of weeks ago and the safties on the guns were very different the saftey on the 4006 seemed a lot more safe for lack of a better word than the one on the glock of course this could also be a bad thing if you were to pull the gun on somebody you would spend more time fiddling around turning the safety off personally i like the glocks because they are very light and i think they look really cool guess thats why they use them in so many movies but i wouldnt get one as my first semi auto because of the safety i would prefer more training with a traditional semi auto ala colt 45 but of course thats just my opinion jason windows re winbench 3 11 help graphics comparison in article c4zogd c56 news udel edu swyatt bach udel edu stephen l wyatt writes i have a question about winbench pc labs thing 3 11 i have a 386 33 and a ahead b 512k card and got these results windows vga driver 2 44 million ahead b 640 480 256 driver 455 000 winmarks windows svga 800 600 16 driver 1 68 million winmarks i was thinking about upgrading to a diamond 24x card i read it had about 8 million winmark obviously this is much much greater but is this in 256 color mode or what is this a good card street price is about 170 on my 386dx 33mhz 4mb ram winbench 2 5 24x v2 02 16 7m 1 668 274 v2 03 16 7m 1 668 985 v2 03 16 4 602 428 v2 03 256 7 635 278 richard mayston maystonr grace cri nz baseball re jim lefebvre is an idiot in c51uc6 bl1 news cso uiuc edu ada41546 uxa cso uiuc edu driftwood writes i totally agree with each point you made jose viscaino looked like a single a hitter up there who swings on 3 1 count with maddux pitching and your teams down by a run and you havent touched the ball all day oh this is an easy trivia question the answer is any cub not named sandberg or grace i also think too much is made of that lefty righty thing watching the cubs games i get the feeling steve stone knows a lot more about what the cubs should be doing than lefebre does harry said it best when he stated after another terrible vizcaino at bat we cant wait til sandberg returns david m nieporent only one thing wrong with theory niepornt phoenix is stupid is stupidest theory i ever heard princeton edu baltimore orioles 93 whos the dangerous cult the bds or the batf windows mathcad 4 0 swap file i have 16mb of memory on my 386sx i have been running windows without a swap file for several months will mathcad 4 0 be happy with this or insist on a swap file religion re rfd misc taoism in article 79899 cup portal com thyagi cup portal com thyagi morgoth nagasiva writes i would like to add my support for a misc taoism discussion group i applaud the enthusiam shown by the person posting 79899 cup portal com thyagi cup portal com i read in alt magick but i differ with him her in believing that at least some minimal parameters should be agreed upon thyagi wrote i recommend that the depth of generality indeed of ambiguity in this newsgroup misc taoism be maximized calling the tradition old or new is rather unnecessary and only leads to foolish squabbles there is no doubt that nature is a splendid teacher whether she appears in the words spoken by a tree or by a stream a microbe or a star let us not limit misc taoism to philosophy but if we dont limit it to something the discussion degenerates into a big amorphous glob other questions thyagi proposes are 1 what is this actual process of reality 2 why is taoism based upon an assumption 3 why does this assumption concern knowledge and what can be known 4 what is the value of not knowing 5 what is a tao what does it mean to be taod it seems to me that these questions more properly fall into the category of general metaphysics i would prefer any misc taoism to deal more closely with topics and works more closely associated with at least semi orthodox taoism with established classic works definitely included and works like mantak chias argued about i think neo taoism should be excluded or get its own group what i mean by this is humpty dumpty taoism in which taoism means whatever a poster says it means this alt taoism could also be a refuge for debates about what taoism really means or speculations on sexual alchemy etc e g from thyagi again taoism does what the hell it wants i tell you taoism doesnt exist taoism is no more real that tao decide now real or not real exist or not exist when shall we be certain kent gloomily predicts quoting from thyagis article however most traffic in the group will likely concern the philosophical secular taoism averred by alan watts and niels bohr and yogic taoism as it pertains to medical sexual and martial techniques i think that discussions of this nature are not completely out of place whats happening is that that the term taoism is becoming completely polluted and trivialized like the words magic alchemy zen etc by writers appropriating the word to mean whatever they want this is seen by the spate of new age books entitled the tao of this that and everything else with respect to some exceptions like the books by jou tsung hwa any other comments ideas i look forward to seeing them on balance i say let misc taoism rip and let the chips fall where they may if it just gets filled up with college freshmen asking about the tao of sex then it will have been a failure and people will post to these groups just as they do now tim p scott sending from megatek corporation 619 455 5590 ext 2610 9645 scranton rd san diego ca 92121 3782 usa fax 619 453 7603 internet tims megatek com or uunet megatek tims baseball re red sox lead 8 0 after 2 in article c56zra 75n ulowell ulowell edu stwombly cs ulowell edu steve twombly writes the boston red sox lead the kc royals 8 0 after 2 innings the sox are the only undefeated team in the al east after 4 days go jump in the lake you non believers steve as i have read this net the last few days i am continually amazed at the pronouncements of baseball prowess by many individuals especially when it comes down to saying that the bosox havent a prayer as a long time red sox fan i will simply say the impossible dream year 1967 for those of you with short memories short lives or both to be a red sox fan is to continually be the subject of abuse and criticism from those who only follow the hot team this statement is supported based on the increased number of brave woofers out on the net a true fan of a team any team will follow that team through the good years as well as the lean years and be amply rewarded when the time is right yeah so what if buckner let a roller go through his legs in 86 who cares if clemens told cooley to go piss up a rope and promptly earned a quick shower the fact is they were one of the best teams in the league those years and the fans supported them now that it appears that they are on lean times the number of detracters come from all over so what let them play and we will see what happens come september the red sox may not be that good but they are certainly not that bad either and they do have a chance to win the world series after all remember the 69 mets who would have given them a chance to even make it that far let alone beat baltimore lets face it baseball is a wonderful game and is far more unpredictable than football and basketball because of this one can never say with absolute certainity what the outcome will be over the course of 162 games joec godot cyprs rain com warning elvis impersonating can be hazardous joec ursula ee pdx edu to your health it sure wont help your reputation i bike therefore i am go red sox go celtics go seahawks go sonics cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time r1004 vmcms csuohio edu writes in article c5lz30 jus news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes laszlo csd4 csd uwm edu tyson f nuss writes from article 1pq6i2 a1f news ysu edu by ak296 yfn ysu edu john r daker fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs any gold trim these i will agree are abominations right along with the fake continental spare tire kit its sad watching those little old ladies try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire medallion in the way most pitiful fake convertible top on a cadillac cimarron with all the chrome door trim still visible not fooling anyone of course there was that hyundai excel i once saw i have seen a cutlass supreme coupe gm10 with a vinyl roof ditto a taurus shoot the owners now before its too late it gets better ive seen them on a 4 door escort chevy s 10 blazer and even a chevy astro mini van a mini van w a fake convertible top is not something you want to see just after eating and better yet theres a chevette in town with wire crome wheels vinyl roof tacky paint job and a continental spare showing the wire crome wheel within of course im scared to look on the inside and have only seen it rolling down the road and i too was glad i hadnt just ate bob martel lady luck must have been a wonderful girl bob2 cua3 csuohio edu shes never been a friend of mine r1004 vmcms csuohio edu the alan parsons project the 3b1 lives chris t ward dod 0710 dont take life too seriously you can never come out of it alive cars bbb autoline arbitration my bbb autoline arbitration experience is over the outcome was decidedly mixed i won the battle but lost the war the arbitrator found that the car was defective but decided to offer a repurchase well below market value at the time of the hearing average retail on my truck in the nada book was 21 025 but the decision was for 17 665 i wrote a letter to the council of better business bureaus pointing out the fact that if you have an automobile that does not depreciate rapidly the manufacturer has no incentive to deal with you there is no way that the manufacturer can loose because they can turn around and sell the vehicle at a profit if the consumer is awarded a repurchase the attitude of chevrolets representative at the hearing tends to support this point of view he was totally unprepared and did not seem to take the proceeding very seriously i decided to take the repurchase even though i am getting totally screwed on the price i will not have to deal with continuing repairs or selling a lemon myself and i have no case for a civil suit based on the idaho lemon law i am planning to send a letter to my elected representatives telling them how utterly ridiculous the idaho lemon law is the law allows for a use deduction equal to the irs mileage allowance as if chevrolet were buying my gas and paying for my insurance summary of the case in may 1992 i bought a new 3 4 ton hd chevrolet pickup between may 1992 and december 1992 this vehicle required repair after repair systems that required attention included the transmission heater fan paint suspension and motor the main problem was the five speed manual transmission they could not install a non defective transmission in at least four attempts so in summary it is possible to get a repurchase but you are going to get screwed on the price unless you paid too much in the first place or if your car happens to be a model that depreciates rapidly jackw hpdmd48 boi hp com cars re new anti carjacking campaign in article 1993apr23 013802 4157 freenet carleton ca ae446 freenet carleton ca nigel allen writes here is a press release from the national crime prevention council the campaign urges drivers to remember to lock up roll up and look around lock car doors immediately after entering or leaving the car roll up windows as far as possible and look around and be alert to avoid situations that are suspicious that reminds me of a blurb in the police blotter in my school paper along the lines of police were called because so and so reported there were suspicious people hangning around the business building turns out it was two black men leaving the building after doing homework late one night baseball re dave kingman for the hall of fame in article 1993apr15 093231 5148 news yale edu steve tomassi writes honestly ozzie smith and robin yount dont belong there theyre both shortstops that just hung around for a long time big deal are you for real how many gold gloves does ozzie smith have if a guy hung around and hit 30 homers a year for 15 years wouldnt he be a given for the hall is defense not just as important and if robin yount couldnt hit why would he have stuck around long enough to get 3 000 hits are you saying 3 000 hits is a fluke 3 000 hits is no big deal lets be a little more selective huh stop handing out these honors so liberally save them for the guys who really deserve it face it if something isnt done there will be little prestige in the hall of fame anymore when certain individuals believe that steve garvey or jack morris are potential candidates the absurdity is apparent gee can these guys even compare to i agree garvey and morris dont deserve it the more likely future hall of famers like kirby puckett or nolan ryan well based on your argument nolan ryan doesnt deserve the hall of fame he is just a right hander who stuck around for a long time and could throw hard very few 20 game winning seasons lots of losing seasons lots of walks no cy young awards how does nolan ryan compare to a guy like steve carlton who dominated 5 or 6 major league seasons won 7 divisons 2 world series and won half of his teams games in 1972 he doesnt compare not even close kirby puckett hasnt done it long enough for me give me 5 more seasons like hes been having then ill think about it windows re multiple desktops in article c56bht 7qf news hawaii edu dmcgee uluhe soest hawaii edu don mcgee writes is there a free share ware package that will allow multiple desktops in windows 3 1 what is desired is to have a desk top for several people that each can personalize by name and choice of programs etc theres a package called workspace on cica that has 5 desktops i havent done much with it yet but it seems to be able to do what you want it to dont have the exact archive name handy but its something like wspace blah zip tom finn convex com i speak only for myself peace is the name of the ideal we have deduced from the fact that there have been pauses between wars jerry pournelle in the mercenary medicine re deadly nyquil in article c6bk0f h7i murdoch acc virginia edu res4w galen med virginia edu robert e schmieg writes partial deletion potentially fatal from hepatic necrosis if i recall correctly the metabolism of acetaminophen at high doses involves n hydroxylation to n acetyl benzoquinoneimine which is a highly reactive intermediate which then reacts with sulfhydryl groups of proteins and glutathione when hepatic glutathione is used up this intermediate then starts attacking the hepatic proteins with resulting hepatic necrosis the insidious part of acetaminophen toxicity is the delay 2 4 days between ingestion and clinical signs of liver damage this is not a nice way to die nice explanation except that it isnt n hydroxylation that causes the formation of the n acetyl p benzoquinone imine napqi but rather a direct two electron oxidation in addition there is one school of thought that contends that oxidative stress rather than arylation of protein is the more critical factor in the hapatotoxcity of acetaminophen as far as drug toxicities go acetaminophen has and continues to be one of the most intensely scrutinized an excellent recent review of the topic can be found in vermeulen bessems and van de straat molecular aspects of paracetamol induced hepatotoxicity and its mechanism based prevention drug metabolism reviews 24 3 367 407 1992 acetaminophen is known as paracetamol in europe i couldnt agree with you more about what an awful way to die a toxic dose of acetaminophen causes ive heard a number of descriptions by physicians associated with poison control centers and they describe a lingering very painful death gary cars re manual shift bigots wanted the best auto shifters on the street and not the track are those from porsche they wont change if you floor the gas during a turn a few years back a was in a 200sx auto you guys call it a 240sx without turbo and was going round a corner i floored it and next thing i know i was pointing backwards the other drivers seemed quite amused shaz windows internationalization of applications and muulti byte characters we are researching what support there is on various platforms for applications to use multi byte characters e g japanese kanji we know that unix and x windows can contain support for the i18n standard depending on level and platform what support for i18n or wide characters exists on the mac windows 3 1 and windows nt steve chesney slc catherine cim cdc com metaphase technology inc 612 482 4662 voice 4233 north lexington avenue 612 482 4001 fax arden hills mn 55126 baseball re no joke rockies have attendance record in article 1993apr2 184338 18205 dvorak amd com twhite mozart amd com tom white writes the highest single game attendance was game 5 of the 1959 world series october 6 at the la coliseum white sox over dodgers 1 0 gate officially 92 706 largest regular season game 78 672 again in la for the first game in the city of angels opening day april 18 1958 home opener anyway the rockies might really nail the record the record attendance for a doubleheader is larger but since dhs are all but nonexistent nowadays why bother listing it wasnt there an 85 000 new york at cleveland game in the late 40s jhon rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu prediction for 1993 marlins 70 wins rockies 50 wins cars high mileage audi question a question for any high mileage audi owners out there i am interested in buying a 1989 audi 5000s for 5500 cdn the reason the car is selling for so little is that is has 155000 km on it just under 100000 mi the cars owner claims the car is in good condition my question is how reliable are audi 5000s with mileage that high would it be worthwhile for me to buy the car any problem areas that i should look out for any help would be greatly appreciated post responses and or e mail me thanks steve hui cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in 1993apr23 132214 6755 cs tulane edu finnegan nrlssc navy mil writes in article apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu eliot writes the subarus all use 180 degree vees in their engines eliot wouldnt that make them an i4 or would they really be an 4 henceforth referred to as underscore 4 horizontally opposed 4 or boxer great idea actually smooth running low center of gravity also used in some honda gullwings corvairs porsches others kenneth finnegan nrlssc navy mil mliggett silver ucs indiana edu mliggett iugold bitnet junk collector toys r us kid antiauthoritarian and fan of frogs iguanas and other herps windows w4w tables and hplj ii printer after setting up a very large 4 pages table in word for windows i asked word to print it to my hp laserjet ii worked fine at first after much editing of the table contents but not structure output requests now kick the lj into manual feed mode for the document containing the table other documents without tables print correctly where should i look and what should i change to get the document with the long table to use the paper drawer rather than kick into manual feed mode i believe ive tried all the obvious printer manager changes as well as replacing the hppcl lp 00 files with archived versions thanks for any and all help peter peter palij internet pbp1 columbia edu columbia university graduate school of business 804 uris hall new york ny 10027 religion re christians above the law was clarification of pe when are we going to hear a christian answer to this question in paraphrase on what or whose authority do christians proclaim that they are above the law and above the prophets 7 major and 12 minor and not accountable to the ten commandments of which jesus clearly spoke his opinion in matthew 5 14 19 what is the source of this pseudo doctrine who is the pseudo teacher who is the great deceiver ok heres at least one christians answer jesus was a jew not a christian in this context matthew 5 14 19 makes sense matt 5 17 do not think that i jesus came to abolish the law or the prophets i did not come to abolish but to fulfill jesus lived under the jewish law however he was the culmination of the promises of the prophets he came to fulfill the prophecies and fully obey gods purposes verse 18 says for truly i say to you until heaven and earth pass away not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law until all is accomplished the key to this verse imho is the last phrase jesus as the fulfillment of the law accomplished what the law was supposed to accomplish verse 19 whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments and so teaches others shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven but whoever keeps and teaches them he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven taken in the context of jesus teaching jewish people about living lives under the law this makes sense in general it appears that jesus is responding to some criticism he must have received about doing away with the law that was not jesus intent at all he had come to earth to live the law as it should be lived and fulfill the promises made by god to his people all the way back to eve gen 3 15 the serpent will bruise your heel but he will bruise his head jesus appeared to be doing away with the law because he did not honor the traditions of men as equal to the law of god he regularly locked horns with the religious leaders of the day because he would not conform to their rules only gods law in the matthew passage jesus is defending his dedication to the law and defending himself against his accusors almost the entire sermon on the mount matt 5 7 is dedicated to helping the jewish people understand the true intent of the law sweeping away the clutter which had been introduced by the pharasees and their traditions in galatians 3 23 26 paul describes the relationship of jesus to the law in this way 23 but before faith came we were kept in custody under the law being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed 24 therefore the law has become our tutor to lead us to christ that we may be justified by faith 25 but now that faith has come we are no longer under a tutor 26 for you are all sons of god through faith in christ jesus i believe this says that after christ was revealed the law had served its purpose i e our tutor to lead us to christ and now we are no longer under a tutor the law has been fulfilled as christ said he would do god the author of the old law and the christ man jesus are the same personality therefore the old law and the new testament the last will and testament of jesus are based on the same moral principles it makes sense that many of the principles in the old law are re expressed in christianity on the other hand now that the law has fulfilled its purpose and christians relate to god through christ not the law it also makes sense that new practices and new symbolisms were established to represent the mysteries of this new relationship i e baptism representing christs death burial and resurrection rom 6 3 8 the lords supper as a memorial to his sacrifice i cor 11 26 and sunday as a day of worship commemorating his resurrection matt 28 1ff acts 20 7 ok thats one christians explanation i dont claim to have all these issues completely settled even in my own mind and i welcome other christians to offer other alternatives please excuse the long posting thanks for your interest if you have read this far john nunnally nunnally acs harding edu windows how can i install the printshop deluxe in windows with the norton desktop medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article annick 735440726 cortex physiol su oz au annick cortex physiol su oz au annick ansselin writes in c5nfdg 8en sdf lonestar org marco sdf lonestar org steve giammarco writes and to add further fuel to the flame war i read about 20 years ago that the natural msg extracted from the sources you mention above does not cause the reported aftereffects its only that nasty artificial msg extracted from coal tar or whatever that causes chinese restaurant syndrome i find this pretty hard to believe has anyone else heard it msg is mono sodium glutamate a fairly straight forward compound if it is pure the source should not be a problem your comment suggests that impurities may be the cause my experience of msg effects as part of a double blind study was that the pure stuff caused me some rather severe effects i was under the possibly incorrect assumption that most of the msg on our foods was made from processing sugar beets is this not true are there other sources of msg soya bean fermented cheeses mushrooms all contain msg i am one of those folx who react sometimes strongly to msg however i also react strongly to sodium chloride table salt in excess each causes different symptoms except for the common one of rapid heartbeat and an uncomfortable feeling of pressure in my chest upper left quadrant the symptoms i had were numbness of jaw muscles in the first instance followed by the arms then the legs headache lethargy and unable to keep awake i think it may well affect people differently well i think msg is made from a kind of plant call tapioca and not those staff you mentiond above medicine athletes heart ive read that exercise makes the heart pump more blood at a stroke and that it also makes the heart pumb slower in order to make up for the greater volume my internist who diagnosed my av block slow heart rate and pvcs told me something different she says that heart rate is associated with the electrical properties of the hear muscle not its size exercise lowers heart rate and increases stroke volume but the effects are unrelated except for their common source the av block she asserts is another electrical effect which is irreversable even when exercise is dicontinued pvcs are also common in runners so my ekg puts me in a class with trained athletes and also with heart patients isnt that strange though are there any not so beneficial aspects to athletes heart is it all good not worried just curious larry c windows re wp pcf linux risc in article c5o1yq m34 csie nctu edu tw ghhwang csie nctu edu tw ghhwang writes dear friend the risc means reduced instruction set computer the risc usually has small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase the clock rate to have a high performance you can read some books about computer architecture for more information about risc risc used to mean reduced instruction set computer true they still use the same acronym but only to be familiar what risc really means is a recently designed cpu in general most risc cpus are like this a large number 32 or more of general purpose registers a fixed instruction size usually 32 bits an instruction may make only one memory reference memory references must be aligned there are delayed branches branch after the next instruction or a target prediction bit probably will wont branch instructions may complete out of order relative to the instruction stream richard krehbiel richk grebyn com os 2 2 0 will do for me until amigados for the 386 comes along cars re car buying story was christ another dealer service scam in article 1993apr16 162950 25849 newsgate sps mot com rapw20 email sps mot com writes before you go in find out the invoice prices of the car add a reasonable profit for the dealer 200 300 offer them that price and stick to it whoa watch your terminology dealer invoice is not dealer cost youll hear lots of ads screaming two dollars over dealer invoice sounds like a real deal huh no you know what the dealer invoice also called factory invoice is its a piece of paper with numbers on it that the factory sends the dealer what do the numbers signify absolutely nothing its a marketing gimmick that the salesman can wave in your face to impress you note that nowhere on the invoice does it claim to be the real price of the car and most ads which mention dealer invoice will end with a very fast low voice saying something like invoice may not reflect actual dealer cost actually i guarantee it does not reflect actual dealer cost also the reasonable profit for dealer is usually around three percent adjust according to the dealer cost of the car and any options that you want haggle like hell with the salesman over the cost of dealer prep and protection package i e a few squirts of paint and fabric protectant while youre at it ask the salesman to toss in a thing or two that doesnt cost him any cash my wife and i got a joyride in a twin turbo mitsubishi 3000gt when we bought our mitsubishi mini van baseball re braves giants the situation with the giants bleachers is a case in point for the need for a commissioner this is true but the main thing the commish i e selig needs to do is to suspend bobby cox you cannot allow a team to come out at the ump as the braves did i usually rip umps but in this case the players were dead wrong cox should go for 5 games if i had ever umped a game where that happened id have ejected every player that came out only cox and gant would have been spared and then cox would have gone in the ensuing argument dave baseball re usa mcweekly stats rvesterm vma cc nd edu writes some discussion about whether elias is money grubbing deleted funny it seems to me that the stats major league and minor league handbooks which are nothing but collections of statistics are authored by bill james and stats inc and howe for the minor league handbook and i am not sure how the 1993 bill james player ratings book qualifies as a book with statistics while the elias analyst is a statistics book the analyst contains more stats sure but it also contains more dialogue finally the point was not about the word statistics it was about money grubbing i dont see how anyone who has looked at the bill james player ratings book cannot consider him money grubbing bob vesterman some thoughts and facts 1 bill james is a partial owner of stats inc however he has almost nothing to do with the day to day operations of the company although he does have significant input into the design of the books that bear his name the handbook but not the scoreboard to the best of my knowledge the only things that bill actually writes for stats are the predictions section of the handbook and the bill james fantasy baseball rulebook 2 the debate over elias goes way back bill james early stuff was hampered by the fact that elias would not give access to their stats at any price project scoresheet and later stats were founded to fill this void you can call stats and ask them for a report on just about anything in their database and they will provide it for a price of course or you could just log into their online system and look at the data yourself having attempted to pry numbers from elias in the past football not baseball they just dont do that in stats eyes the high ground comes from making the information available at all 3 that being said im pretty dissapointed by bills book this year too i am given to understant that it was mostly a response to the publishers desire to have the book come out sooner than april hope this makes things just a little bit clearer bias alert i am a former part time employee of stats noel rappin noel chaos cs brandeis edu guns re that silly outdated bill was re koresh and miranda i wrote nice strawman indeed the discussion is not about whether there were tanks used in sixties riots instead it is about whether those tanks fired their main guns in one of those riots you claim they did that claim is ludicrous awesley replied i repeated what i had been told under what context i had heard it supporting the claim that tanks were indeed used in detroit in 67 the issue has never been whether tanks were used in detroit in 1967 it has been whether they fired their main guns you did not merely claim that tanks were used you claimed that they fired their main guns to suppress sniper fire and that they were quite effective at this you continue to back away from this claim and defend something else that nobody is disputing awesley went on i spent a few minutes in a library today found their computer was down and they dont have a card catalog anyway it took about 10 minutes to find this in nightmare in detroit a rebellion and its victims by sauter and hines on page 133 telling of the death of tonia blanding age 4 when the tank was fired upon by snipers it turned in the direction the shots came from the fifty caliber machine gun mounted on the tank belched fire into the buildings after a short round into the front of the buildings the tank guns spit again tearing apart huge holes out of the side of the apartment well its not the main gun well its not the main gun gee thats only the entire point are you now going to admit that you were wrong i wrote will i see any pictures of tanks firing their main guns will i see pictures of buildings damaged by the shells will i read the reports of the tank fire ill bet you dollar to doughnuts i wont it will take more than second hand accounts from a few old national guard sergeants shooting the shit to convince me that tanks shelled american cities in the sixties awesley replied well if you bothered to read them it wouldnt take long at all to find reports of tank fire although not necessarily of the main guns i will never read of tanks firing their main guns in detroit in the 67 riots there is simply no way that such an event could have taken place without it being common knowledge even 26 years later the american military firing shells from tanks in american cities on blacks would have been big news awesley goes on you can also read of the troops using grenade launchers to fire fragmentary grenades i doubt that as well to fire concussion grenades perhaps to fire tear gas certainly but you would be perfectly willing to let us believe they fired frags wouldnt you since it makes your other claim seem more plausible and on i dont expect to convince you youll have to open your mind and eyes and actually do a little research to be convinced one way or the other let me know what you find i already know what you found nothing if i claimed that the marines used f 4s to launch rockets at buildings in trenton new jersey would you believe me would you suspend judgment until you had a chance to research it or would your bullshit filters kick in if tanks had fired their main guns in detroit people would have been screaming about it for the past two and half decades i would know about it unless you also claim that the national guard managed to cover it up if your mind is open enough to believe that well good for you i prefer to live in reality and here in reality i find it hard to believe that those tanks even had any shells much less fired them john l scott guns re atf burns dividian ranch update in article c5y36b 8mg news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvine writes for me though the black soot billowing outside the compound added with how fast the fire spread ponted to someone dousing large parts of the compound with some sort of gasoline or fire starter lots of house fires give off black sooty smoke and as far as the speed of the fire the winds were gusting to 30mph at least that day i guess youre forgetting the way oakland and berkeley looked back in 91 did those folks use accelerants smg i doubt the feds did that as they were more interested in arresting vernon the real unbalanced one at least the one that lost his cool was vernon so i figured that he was more likely to do it after all he was jesus being persecuted by the authorities and had followers to hold onto so made the decision he and his followers also probably felt that they were rocketing to heaven by doing this stuff thsi conclusion i came to after umpteen million hours of listening to npr and other radio shows i always have the radio going when i am in my office on some innocuous talk show or news program as background noise personal opinions why brent irvine yes what did you think irvine uxh cso uiuc edu they were baseball re bob dylan baseball abstract ive never heard of the bob dylan baseball abstract but i am curious could someone clue me in phil brown aka pb6755 csc albany edu cars re too fast wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes compare either to the porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed oh right only 120 000 dollar cars should be driven fast they drive goddamn rabbits at 120 mph in europe pal and i reckon a taurus is at least as capable as a rabbit my whole point was not to say that the cars couldnt go that fast but that they shouldnt go that fast a family sedan designed to be operable at 85mph doesnt suddenly become operable at 130mph because you added some plastic aero effects slightly wider tires and a much larger engine thats what the sho is a slightly modified family sedan with a powerful engine they didnt even bother improving the brakes the mustang is essentially the same deal as the sho a big power plant stuck in a mid size sedan with almost no other modifications i have real life experience with the mustang it handles like a brick except when youre invoking oversteer of course something i personally avoid doing on the highway and stopping power is inadequate even from 80mph lots of accelleration but the rest of the car is not up to par i picked the porsche example because they are designed with speed in mind it didnt have to be the 911 it could have been the much cheaper 944 or one of several mercedes or audi models all of these cars are fairly expensive but so are the parts that make them drivable at high speed this should be elementary there are a few things to keep in mind about europe since you brought it up my autobahn knowledge is admittedly second hand but i believe the following to be true 1 drivers are much better disciplined in europe than they are here 2 the roads comprising the autobahn are much better designed than they are here and usually include animal fences this makes them far more predictable than most us highways 3 not all of europe is the autobahn most places in europe have speed limits that arent out of line with what we used to have in the us if my friends werent lying to me theyre typically not much higher than 120km h i strongly suspect you wont find a lot of rabbit owners doing 120mph nearly 200km h on the autobahn but i could be wrong some people have no respect for their own lives you certainly havent convinced me of course not speeding is bad speeding is illegal i will not speed i love big brother you had your mind made up already if you think so you sure dont pay attention to my postings jim frost jimf centerline com cars keyless entry now how bruce james writes without the key though the steering column lock would have to be sacrificed not necessarily maybe some sort of servo lock or something along those lines could be used to acheive the same effect maybe a solenoid type of thing too george howell m m ooo ppp aaa rrr mm mm o o p p a a r r m m m o o ppp aaaaa rrr m m o o p a a r r m m ooo p a a r r ford better living through american horsepower george howell george howell goucher wb3ffv ampr org guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news hambidge bms com wrote in article c4psog c6 magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes rate per capita rate the uk is more dangerous though you may be less likely to be killed by a handgun the average individual citizen in the uk is twice as likely to be killed by whatever means as the average swiss would you feel any better about being killed by means other than a handgun i wouldnt what an absurd argument switzerland is one fifth the size of the uk with one eigth as many people therefore at any given point on swiss soil you are more likely to be crow bait more importantly you are 4x as likely to be killed by the next stranger approaching you on a swiss street than in the uk you are betraying your lack of understanding about rate versus total number rates are expressed often as 100 000 population therefore if a place had 10 deaths and a population of 100 000 the rate would be 10 100 000 a place that had 50 deaths and a population of 1 000 000 would hav a rate of 5 100 000 the former has a higher rate the latter a higher total you are less likely to die in the latter simple enuff for chrissakes take out your calculator and work out the numbers here ive preformatted them for you to make it easier handgun homicides population switzerland 24 6 350 000 uk 8 55 670 000 and then tell me again how switzerland is safer with a more liberal handgun law than the uk is without by rate or total number your choice stephen manes manes magpie linknet com manes and associates new york ny usa o o windows re cirrus logic 5426 graph card in article 1qms3c 37t news cs tu berlin de wong cs tu berlin de wolfgang jung writes after setting up windows for using my cirrus logic 5426 vlb graphicscard it moved a normal window from one place to another what i was wondering why is it not using the bitblt engine which is suuposed to be on the chip how are the experiences here have i done something wrong the 5426 has its own set of drivers you may be using the drivers intended for the 5420 or 5422 by mistake be sure you have the 5426 driver version 1 2 i installed the mswin 3 1 multiresolution drivers which where supplied with the card dont quote me on this one but id steer clear of the multi resolution driver that allows you to change resolution without exiting windows i think its buggy also if there are new hopefully faster drrivers around i would love to how to get hold of them ftp or whatsoever version 1 3 drivers are due to be release by cirrus soon unfortunately their not available via ftp you have to dial up their bbs in the usa i do this from nz using a 14 4k modem to cut down on phone bills it took me around 7 minutes to download the v1 2 driver good luck andy gardner wellington new zealand te whanga nui a tara aotearoa baseball re yanks over as george speaks in 1993apr23 150058 1 eagle wesleyan edu kwolfer eagle wesleyan edu writes how about matt nokes 2 run single against ron darling was that a hit or what while watching the game yesterday they flashed up something regarding the boss talking about mark connor as bullpen coach he said something like its mark connors fault that the bullpen is so horrible here we go again george sticking his non baseball nose in the baseball business shut up george just spend the money get the players and leave buck and the coaches and players alone i saw that quote flashed on the screen yesterday also and what enraged me more than anything was not that george was speaking up agai and complaining to the media instead of to the proper people it was that the idiot reporter provided george with an outlet and an opportunity to create trouble this is a supreme example of how the media can truly control situations the local beat reporters should know better and should stop trying to one up each other with quotes from the boss if they just ignored him hed really simply go away and problems would be avoided what that reporter did was potentially to open up the floodgates again asshole cars re quick question in article foo ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes how do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an 87 honda prelude the speaker went scratchy and i want to access its pins why are you posting this tripe to rec autos vw dont drink soap dilute dilute ok religion cybele and transgender sexualism 930425 charles hope writes rome was under attack by barbarians they sent for advice to some oracle and she said worship cybele and youll be saved they did they were cybele was the quintessential wiccan goddess there was her and her son lover attis yucky idea if you ask me ok the book says she was phrygian from the neolithic matriarchal society catal huyuk turkey worshipped 1st as black stone that kaaba in mecca ring a bell maybe carried to rome in 205bc to save them from hannibal response is there some relation between the name cybele and the phenemenon of the sibyl your paragraph above seems to indicate there might be my understanding is that islam was founded on the remains of a goddess cult or two many muslims would not like to hear that you it gets more interesting romans called her great mother magna mater could be the reason why so many of those mary statues in europe are black prob is connected to that kaaba theyve got in mecca 3rd cent ad she was supreme goddess in lyons france attis was castrated and formed into a pine tree she should be worshiped on 25 mar in rome it was an ecstatic cult her priests wore drag worked themselves up in dance and castrated themselves in order to initiate to her lived their lives as women they wore make up and jewelry and the whole bit only other such primitive transsexualism i know of goes on in india where else where they do that castration thing under some meditation maybe i forget by now theres a book on that of course that excepts that weird russian romanian 18th cent xian cult that did all kinds of self castration too i forget their name response id love to get details or references on any of the above my own exploration of this issue has only extended to a brief examination of the zuni berdache the zuni man woman by will roscoe university of new mexico press 1991 probably has some interesting things to say about them ive yet to procure it any details or references on ecstatic cults in rome india russia romania christian too which exhibit any type of transsexualism or transvestitism male or female though i expect mostly the former will be found thanks for your interesting posts charles will love come as you like shall be the whole of the law the abyss thyagi nagasiva thyagi houseofkaos abyss com house of kaos 871 ironwood dr san jose ca 95125 2815 fr nigris on divination web telnet seismo soar cs cmu edu 9393 religion re to rob lanphier i wrote my hope is that brian k will look and will see the ramifications of the truck coming towards him my hope is that brian will want to step out of the way my fear though is that brian will instead choose to glue himself to the middle of the highway where he will certainly get run over but if he so chooses he so chooses and there is nothing i can do beyond that to change his mind for it is his choice but at this very moment brian hasnt gotten even that far he is still at the point where he does not want to look sure he moves his eyeball to appease me but his head will not turn around to see the entire picture so far he is satisfied with his glimpse of the mountains off in the distance kent sandvik writes the problem is that you imagine him inside this huge wall unable to see reality while he imagines the same about you clearly we have a case where relativity plays a big role concerning looking at opposite frames of reality kent with regards to the information contained in the bible which is the original context of this thread brian kendig is inside a huge wall brian is inside the bible and the information contained therein are outside the wall brian kendig proves this very sad fact by the absurd things he says for example if i get through into the firey pit i will cease to exist the bible doesnt say that he hasnt a clue even to what jesus said about hell that is but one example now in your sense kent of sensing reality that is a different matter and to you and to brian relativity does play a big role what we perceive to be true depends on our vantage point since i have read the bible and brian kendig shows that he hasnt he has a narrower perspective than mine at least in the respect of knowledge of the bible i am proposing to brian brian come up here and take a look from this vantage point but brian replies i rather not thank you i am content where i am besides the vista from up there stinks and in the meanwhile brian ignores the facts that he has never up there nor does he realize i had shared the same plateau where brian now stands baseball re and americas team is but why kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth writes well officially its the braves at least up until they started winning it was are they still officially if so why and how did they receive this label unoffically but without a doubt americas team is the cubs why well my guess is because america loves underdogs every year no matter the cubs talent or the predictions they never as close to never as possible win anything over the years as the losing has mounted america has fallen in love with these perennial losers the cubs have more fans in chicago then some teams do worldwide the cubs have more fans worldwide than most of the teams in their division combined an aura of excitement surrounds the cubs at the beginning of the season like no one else including the ws champs it must be that eternal hope this is the year theyve got the talent theyre off to a good start theyve got the pitching or hitting or whatever their strong point is at the time its that inevitability that the cubs will eventually win the ws again when only god knows since its been so long it could come at any time or it could be another 85 years but until they do finally win and start winning consistently the cubs will remain americas lovable underdogs the cubs are americas team orin bradley u the defenition of the underdog is a team that has no talent and comes out of nowhere to contend the 69 mets and 89 orioles are prime examples not the cubs i root for the cubs because i feel sorry for them but basically they are dogs the pirates today are a great example of an underdog if the rockies and marlins compete they will be underdogs the north stars trip to the stanley cup finals was a good example of an underdogs journey the cubs have a good team this year and play in a weak division they are much less than americas team im really a jester in disguise chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart c 1981 quick to judge quick to anger slow to understand ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand medicine is this a scam jim haynes wants to know the following is a scam theres a chiropractor who has a stand in the middle of a shopping mall offering free examinations part of the process involves a multiple jointed sensor arm and a computer that says in a computer sounding voice digitize left psis digitize right psis digitize c7 please stand with spine in neutral position im wondering whether this doesnt really measure anything and the computer voice is to impress the victims or whether it is measuring something that chiropractors think is useful to measure earth to sci med if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck this is a total scam since the beginning of chiropraxis the chiropractor has tried to sell the subluxation as the problem and then sell themselves and their adjustments as the solution the chiropractic subluxation is a delusional diagnosis and the adjustments of subluxations by extension constitute a delusional medicine the wide spectrum of chiropractic techniques all have their own methods for detecting spinal demons and unique methodolgies for excorcizing them the computer approach is an attempt to sell with science but this device is nothing more than a high tech subluxation detector and in the end amazingly it will show the potential patient to suffer from vs vertebral subluxation the silent killer john badanes dc ca romdas uclink berkeley edu baseball twins games does anyone know if the twins games are broadcast in good ole ames iowa thanks all cars re too fast in article bob1 734909414 cos bob1 cos com bob blackshaw writes in 1993apr14 045526 21945 cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article 1qg19v 5ju umcc umcc umich edu mhartman umcc umcc umich edu mark hartman writes driving 130 in a straight line is fine you very soon become aclimated to it its only a rush when there are corners that you dont think you can make on a clear autobahn 130 is nothing in the u s 99 of people and all judges would label you insane and it is difficult to persuade people otherwise sure but the surface condition of most good autobahns is far better the quality of autobahns is something of a myth the road surface isnt much different to a typical tx freeway they are better in terms of lighting safety signs roadmarkings etc id have no problem driving 130 on most us freeways as it is i save it for the backroads which really are more likely to be dangerous than most of the roads here a dip in the asphalt that you test your shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130 dont get me wrong i love to it would have to be quite severe i dont recall any us freeway without road damage warnings that i would regard as unsafe at 130 in any decent well damped car note that my definition of decent well damped would exclude most typical american sedans drive quickly and they say my probe will do 130 but thats 30 more than ive ever tried in it cause there isnt a decent enough piece of road hereabouts i dont know where you live but i would be much more worried about cops other traffic etc than the road surface at 130 it just isnt that fast or that dangerous if you have a probe gt no problem the 4cyl models i have driven would be likely to be unpredictable at higher speeds craig craig mark hartman mhartman umcc umcc umich edu kalamazoo mi bk405 cleveland freenet edu im naked in the school sleepyhead bob baseball re how to speed up games marginally realistic to really speed up the game umps need to start calling strikes the way they used to im talking about making the strike zone start at the knees and go up to the top of the letters forget this the strike zone is in the general area of the groin a lot less 3 and 2 counts and a quicker game guns re riddle me this in article 1r1die 4t transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article 1993apr20 050550 4660 jupiter sun csd unb ca j979 jupiter sun csd unb ca fuller m writes yet the fbi mouthpiece at this afternoons press conference characterized the quantity of cs gas pumped into the building as massive and speculated that after a few hours of exposure any davidian gas masks would become useless does this sound not harmful to you hm a previous poster argued that the fact that the bds did not rush to escape the burning building indicated that it was they and not any of the government actions that started the fire on the other hand i wonder if with a face full of massive amounts of cs i would be able to escape a burning tinder box like that ranch house assuming my best efforts imagine you have been under seige for almost two months by an enemy which you believe wants to kill you suddenly they pump tear gas into your building and punch holes in it with tanks then a fire breaks out do you run outside to be slaughtered or stay and face your fate check ethiopia vs italy in wwii for some answers to that question dillon pyron the opinions expressed are those of the ti dseg lewisville vax support sender unless otherwise stated 214 462 3556 when im here 214 492 4656 when im home texans vote no on robin hood we need pyron skndiv dseg ti com solutions not gestures padi dm 54909 medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr16 155123 447 cunews carleton ca wcsbeau alfred carleton ca opirg writes in article 1993apr14 122647 16364 tms390 micro ti com david tms390 micro ti com david thomas writes in article 13apr199308003715 delphi gsfc nasa gov packer delphi gsfc nasa gov charles packer writes is there such a thing as msg monosodium glutamate sensitivity i saw in the ny times sunday that scientists have testified before an fda advisory panel that complaints about msg sensitivity are superstition anybody here have experience to the contrary im old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least a couple of times since the 1960s then it was called the chinese restaurant syndrome because chinese cuisine has always used it so far ive seen about a dozen posts of anecdotal evidence but no facts i suspect there is a strong psychological effect at work here does anyone have results from a scientific study using double blind trials check out 27903 just some 20 posts before your own maybe you missed it amidst the flurry of responses yet again the use of this newsgroup is hampered by people not restricting their posts to matters they have substantial knowledge of for cites on msg look up almost anything by john w olney a toxicologist who has studied the effects of msg on the brain and on development it is undisputed in the literature that msg is an excitotoxic food additive and that its major constituent glutamate is essentially the premierie neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain humans included too much in the diet and the system gets thrown off glutamate and aspartate also an excitotoxin are necessary in small amounts and are freely available in many foods but the amounts added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be encountered in a ny single food by eating lots of junk food packaged soups and diet soft drinks it is possible to jack your blood levels so high that anyone with a sensitivity to these compounds will suffer numerous real physi9logical effects read olneys review paper in prog brain res 1988 and check his sources they are impecable there is no dispute dianne murray wcsbeau ccs carleton ca in order to excitotoxin effects of msg msg that in blood must go through blood brain barrier that i am not sure msg can go through or not in normal condition the concentration of glutamate in the cerebrospinal fluid is about 2 um that is high enough to activate one type of glutamate receptor the nmda receptor but the question is neuron and glial cell in the brain have a lots of transport to get glutamate into neuron or glial so no one know exact concentration of glutamate is around neurons glutamate is most important neurotransmitter in the central nervous system it is involved in not only in daily life like the controling of movement it is alsoinvolved in develpoment memory and learn it is involved in logn term potentialtion that be thought is the basis of learning medicine re update help was what is this is it lymes in article 19613 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article 1993apr7 221357 12533 lamont ldgo columbia edu brenner ldgo columbia edu carl brenner writes see the ulterior motive here it is easy for me to see it the those physicians who call everything lyme and treat everything there is a lot of money involved you keep bringing this up but i dont understand whats in it financially for the physician to go ahead and treat unless the physician has an investment in or is involved in some kickback scheme with the home infusion company where is the financial gain for the doctor well let me put it this way based on my own experience a general practitioner with no training in infectious diseases by establishing links to the lyme community treating patients who come to him wondering about lyme or having decided they have lyme as if they did saying that diseases such as ms are probably spirochetal if not lyme giving talks at meetings of users groups validating the feelings of even delusional patients etc this gp can go from being a run of the mill 100k yr gp to someone with lots of patients in the hospital and getting expensive infusions that need monitoring in his office and making lots of bread also getting the adulation of many who believe his is their only hope if not of cure then of control and seeing his name in publications put out by support groups etc this is a definite temptation harumph getting published in these newsletters is hardly something to aspire to i cant really argue with your logic though i think you may be extrapolating a bit recklessly from what appears to be a sample size of one even if what you say about this local pittsburgh guy is true it is not logical or fair to conclude that this is true of all doctors who treat lyme disease by your logic i could conclude that all of the physicians who consult for insurance companies and make money by denying benefits to lyme patients are doing it for the money rather than because they believe they are encouraging good medicine i have no idea how sincere these guys are but their motives are as suspect as the physicians you excoriate for what you believe to be indiscriminate treatment i would really feel more comfortable discussing the medical issues in lyme rather than speculating as to the motives of the various parties involved gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon carl brenner medicine re acutane fibromyalgia syndrome and cfs daniel prince daniel prince f129 n102 z1 calcom socal com wrote i think they should rename waco tx to wacko tx i know it is just a joke but please remember the people of waco did not ask david koresh to be a lunatic there he just happened waco is a lovely town i would think someone living in the home of flakes and nut would be more sensitive medicine re need info on circumcision medical cons and pros menon boulder colorado edu ravi or deantha menon writes aezpete deja vu aiss uiuc edu writes the penile cancer thing has been completely debunked she must be going to school on a south pacific island tell her to check the journal or urology for circumcision articles i remember at least 1 on an old jewish man cut at birth who developed penile cancer i mean if the cancer risk was that great the europe who have been circumcising like crazy too teaching a boy how to keep his cockhead clean is the issue a little proper hygiene goes a long way americans are just too hung up on the penis to consider cleaning it thats just way too much like mastubation so you have surgical intervention that is basically unnecessary peter schlumpf university of illinois at urbana champaign as i recall it is a statistical anomaly because of the sample involved in the studies i am certain that if it were true the europeans would be cutting kids right left first off use some decent terms if ya dont mind this is sci med not alt sex secondly how absolutely bogus to assume that americans are just too hung up on the penis blah blah i think most americans dont care about anything so comlicated as that they just think it looks nicer ask a few of them and see what response you get others still opt for circumcision due to religious traditions and beliefs some think it is easier to clean still others do it because daddy was i think alot do it blindly because dad had it done but there are many who get bamboozled into it with the bogus cancer thing awhile back some quack told a friend of mine that it would help prevent aids yeah right sarchasm dont be so naive as to think americans are afraid of sexuality oh yeah scene navy boot camp di son you smel awful dont you ever clean that thing recruit no sir di why the hell not recruit your not sposed to touch down there di why recruit cause thats the eye of god down there an your not sposed to touch it this did not happen 40 years ago it happened 2 years ago i think americans are quite hung up about sex and the involved plumbing guns re hr 1276 a gun law i can live with in article 1993apr15 171601 25930 dg rtp dg com meyers leonardo rtp dg com bill meyers writes a establishment of right a person not pro hibited by federal law from receiving a firearm shall have the right to obtain firearms for security and to use fire arms in defense of self family or home so you have the right unless the federal government says you dont i dont think i like this very much this would be much better if it said everyone except those who have been striped of this right by due process of law or some such thing also i dont care for the federal government stepping on states rights regardless of which state right is being stepped on if the constitution doesnt give the feds some power then they have to just shut up about it the only way the feds should have anything to say is if the constitution prohibits localities from infringing on the rkba in which case this bill should just reiterate that the rkba is guaranteed by the constitution and that the feds will take appropriate action if it is infringed chris bartz chrisb natinst com cars re saturn puzzled by its pricing in article 1993mar31 181813 24122 magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article 1pcgv5 oj9 armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes because i want to get the lowest price possible its called capitalism i have news for you capitalism is the practice of maximizing profits same difference if you lower your costs you increase your profits personally im not at all bothered by the saturn pricing scheme if i dont want to pay as much as theyre selling it for i can go buy a different car from a different dealer and they get nothing thats competition for you if the dealer can be competitive charging what they do and making that kind of profit thats capitalism at its best and more power to em id rather have the consumer dictate what things will cost not the dealers sorry but neither dictates the cost its a negotiation whether its up front at a honda dealership in an all out dickering war or more removed on a larger economic scale ie if saturn cant sell at its price the price drops or the company stops building them it remains a negotiated value controlled by market forces to think that the consumer controls price is ludicrous if the consumer controled price then cars would be free and no one would build cars regards charles within the span of the last few weeks i have heard elements of separate threads which in that they have been conjoined in time struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd unknown net person windows trident vga drivers hi i have a trident tvga 8900 video card and need the updated drivers for win3 1 where can i get them from an ftp site thanks bj religion re davidians and compassion surely you are not equating david koresh with christianity the two are not comparable this is always an option when the sect is causing harm re label the cult to something else cheers kent good point i would not doubt that dk could have spouted verse and debated with best according to reports his extensive bible knowledge was one way he sucked in the fools followers quote bible all you want i too judge what you say be what you do and even more by if it makes sense sense common that is doesnt seem so common after all john morris jwmorris netcom com san diego ca i have no opinion but if i did medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1qk1tainnmr4 calamari hi com rogers calamari hi com andrew rogers writes in article 1993apr15 153729 13738 walter bellcore com jchen ctt bellcore com writes chinese and many other asians japanese koreans etc have used msg as flavor enhancer for two thousand years do you believe that they knew how to make msg from chemical processes not they just extracted it from natural food such sea food and meat broth and to add further fuel to the flame war i read about 20 years ago that the natural msg extracted from the sources you mention above does not cause the reported aftereffects its only that nasty artificial msg extracted from coal tar or whatever that causes chinese restaurant syndrome i find this pretty hard to believe has anyone else heard it i was under the possibly incorrect assumption that most of the msg on our foods was made from processing sugar beets is this not true are there other sources of msg i am one of those folx who react sometimes strongly to msg however i also react strongly to sodium chloride table salt in excess each causes different symptoms except for the common one of rapid heartbeat and an uncomfortable feeling of pressure in my chest upper left quadrant steve giammarco 5330 peterson lane dallas tx 75240 marco sdf lonestar org loveyameanit medicine re patient physician diplomacy in article 1993mar29 130824 16629 aoa aoa utc com carl aoa aoa utc com carl witthoft writes what is unacceptable about this is that hospitals and mds by law have no choice but to treat you if you show up sick or mangled from an accident if you arent rich and have no insurance who is going to foot your bills do you actually intend to tell the ambulance no let me die in the gutter because i cant afford the treatment by law they would not be allowed to do that anyhow gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows re atm or truetype which to choose in article 1993apr06 023730 5094 microsoft com davidgl microsoft com david glenn writes again not true the characters in a tt or type 1 font depend on the maker if someone converts a type 1 font to tt theyll only get the characters in the font of orgin tt allows for much more flexibility in this area as well you can have thousands of glyphs in a tt font file mac ps windows unicode char set and use the characters appropriate for the particular platform you are running the font on well yes both type 1 and truetype fonts can contain lots of characters and in both cases plain text fonts will be reencoded to windows ansi in windows and to mac standard roman encoding on the mac no difference there between t1 and tt and as for fonts with thousands of glyphs right know these are a liabiliaty rather than a great new thing reason is that a font with 3000 characters is very large and if you can only access 224 of them you are paying a heavy price in downloading time and printer storage and at the moment there is only one program of that uses partial font downloading for instance all or our fontpack 2 tt fonts have the mac windows char set in them the metrics of the fonts are such that if the font is brought over to the mac the user will have access to the full mac char set yes and t1 text fonts all have the iso adobe character set which is a superset of windows ansi and macintosh standard roman enocding the question is whether you can get at the glyphs in windows for example you cannot get at the ligatures fi anfd fl both t1 and tt even though a font may very well have them and while it is somewhat painful to reencode a type 1 font and to create a new windows metric file pfm for it there are utilities out there to allow you do this how do i reencode a truetype font how can i get at the fi and fl ligatures in windows or on the mac are there utilities that make it possible to circumvent the hard wired windows ansi encoding regards 1001 a east harmony road bob niland suite 503 internet rjn csn org fort collins co 80525 compuserve 71044 2124 303 223 5209 berthold k p horn cambridge massachusetts usa religion re is it good that jesus died brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 writes they do not want to know it or be exposed to light because their own evil deeds will be uncovered and so by their own choice they will remain in darkness sort of like bugs under a rock however some people but not many will not like the darkness sometimes it gets too cold and too dark to be comfortable these people will crawl out from under the rock and although blinded at first will get accustomed to the light and enjoy its warm and after a while by virtue of the light they will see the depths of their own shortcomings and how to correct them and also they will see that there is much much more to this world than just the narrow little experiences under the rock they will discover that life under a rock was incredibly yukky and that life with the light of the world is great so great that they will want to tell all their friends about it and i maintain some people do not want to enter into the light and the knowledge that they alone are their own masters because they fear it they are too afraid of having to face the world on their own terms and so by their own choice they will remain in darkness sort of like bugs under a rock however some people but not many will not like the darkness sometimes it gets too cold and too dark to be comfortable these people will crawl out from under the rock and although blinded at first will get accustomed to the light and enjoy its warmth and after a while now that they can see things for what they really are they will also see the heights which they can reach and the places they can go and they will learn to choose their own paths through the world and they will learn from their mistakes and revel in their successes they will see that there is much much more to the world than just the narrow experiences under the rock they will discover that life under a rock was incredibly yucky and that life on their own terms is great so great that they will want to tell everyone else about it do you see my point i think youre the one under the rock and im getting a great tan out here in the sunlight my life has improved immesurably since i abandoned theism come and join me it will be a difficult trip at first until you build up your muscles for the long hike but its well worth it not all people hate light kent we all have an adversion to it to some extent but brian kendig who has been replying to this thread certainly likes darkness brian k enjoys stating false concepts and false pressumptions about the god of the bible without checking his own presumptions he compares my god with odin or zeus look you just practically equated odin and zeus theyre as much different as your god is from them dont you see im not going to accept anything that i cant witness with my own eyes or experience with my own senses especially not something as mega powerful as what youre trying to get me to accept surely if you believe in it this strongly you must have a good reason to dont you withough checking his own presumption he thinks hell is the equivalent of non existence when did i say that i say that i would rather cease existing instead of being subject to the whims of a deity but that if the deity decided to toss me into the fiery pits because of who i am then so be it do you enjoy darkness most people will honestly admit yes most people are fond of their sexual sins their hording of money their selfishness and not to mention their biblical ignorance nope most people are christian most people are fond of feeling that they are imperfect of believing that the world is an undesirable place of reciting magical mystical prayers to make the world nice and holy again of doing just as their priests tell them like good little sheep you enjoy darkness and youre proud of it you may know the bible well but have you read any of the koran or zen writings or hare krishna literature if you havent then how can you say you have an open mind sin is fun lets admit it but a life of sin leads to trouble and death in this life and hell in the next nope you make decisions enjoy your successes and accept your failures then you die if you are content with the life youve led as you reflect back on it in your final moments then youve led a good life come out from under the rock please do for god so loved the world that he gave his one and only son that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life im sorry i dont feel that sacrificing jesus was something any god id worship would do unless the sacrifice was only temporary in which case its not really all that important forget the bible for a minute forget quoting verses forget about who said what about this or that show me picture just you and me and a wide open hilltop and convince me that youre right brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau religion re is it good that jesus died in article bskendigc5l782 jm5 netcom com bskendig netcom com brian kendig writes john 12 24 26 most assuredly i say to you unless a grain of wheat falls onto the ground and dies it remains alone but if it dies it produces much grain he who loves his life will lose it and he who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life if anyone serves me let him follow me and where i am there my servant will be also if anyone serves me him my father will honor why would i want an eternal life if i hate this one again you missed jesuss point if you read the surrounding passages you would understand what jesus means by life in the world but as is you bumbled around asserted your standard axiom that the bible is bunk and came up with the wrong idea also you do not know exactly what jesus means by eternal life brian k do you expect to jump in the middle of the quantum mechanics book and understand hermite polynomials having not read the surrounding material why do you such with the bible for an idea what jesus means by the world look up references to it in your concordance for a good description the whole book of ecclesiastes is game for eternal life check out john 17 3 john 3 15 16 you will find that eternal life is quite different than what you think eternal life starts now an infinitely high quality of life living in fellowship with god in short even if your deity does exist that doesnt automatically mean that i would worship it i am content to live my own life and fend for myself so when i die i can be proud of the fact that no matter where i end up it will be because of my actions and my choices if your god decides to toss me into a flaming pit for this then so be it i would much rather just cease to exist but if your god wants my respect and my obedience then it had better earn these and if it does then they will be very strong and true if my diety exists you would not just cease to exist jesus talks of hell in luke 16 19 31 youve got to understand my point of view i see christians spouting bible verse all the time as if it were some sort of magic spell that will level all opposition truth is its not robert has never demonstrated that he actually understands what the verses imply he just rattles them off day by day some brazenly fly in the face of common sense and reality and i point these out where i can the truth is is that it is not some sort of magic spell the truth is is that you do not understand it and enjoy not understanding it christanity is a very nice belief set around a very nice book wrong again christianity is supposed to be relationship you do not even know what christianity is and you are arguing against it and in my opinion youre bumbling about blindly making up entities where there arent any and depriving yourself of a true understanding and enjoyment of your life as long as you keep your beliefs to yourself ill keep my beliefs to myself but as soon as you start waving them around expect me to toss in my opinions too just as i make up such places as jericho jerusalem babylon corinth ephesus susa and such kings as nebuchanezzar david solomon sennacherib herod pontius pilate but i guess then that you treat abraham lincoln as a myth like you do odin and zeus windows microcal origin working model new version uploaded to cica ive recently uploaded to cica the current v2 8 version of the working model of microcal origin a scientific and technical 2d 3d graphics and data analysis package for windows 3 x the working model is 2d only and puts a promo message on hardcopies but is largely identical to the full version saving origin files is disabled but you can save ascii data sets produced with origin it also says it has an expiration date of sept 1 1993 try it you may like it as i do its currently in pub pc win3 uploads as origin zip include std disclaimer tom carter carter photon cem msu edu michigan state university carter msucem bitnet chemistry department windows re need help writing ms excel macro for each student do begin lowest score found max possible value for i 1 to number of assignments do begin if score i lowest score found then lowest score found score i end total score sum all scores lowest score found end couldnt you simply use min as you use sum and than subtract it from sum internet ffritze hpwbe007 wad hp com phone germany 7243 602296 address fromut fritze waldbronn analytic division r d hewlett packard str d 7517 waldbronn 2 germany cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time cup holders driving is an importantant enough undertaking cellular phones and mobile fax machines see above vanity mirrors on the drivers side ashtrays smokers seem to think its just fine to use the road fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs any gold trim dod 650 darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion medicine re food related seizures my comments about the feingold diet have no relevance to your daughters purported frostedflakes related seizures i cant imagine why you included it steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer religion re to rob lanphier in article 1993apr22 003024 25620 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 wrote my hope is that brian will look and will see the ramifications of the truck coming towards him my hope is that brian will want to step out of the way my fear though is that brian will instead choose to glue himself to the middle of the highway where he will certainly get run over but if he so chooses he so chooses and there is nothing i can do beyond that to change his mind for it is his choice but at this very moment brian hasnt gotten even that far he is still at the point where he does not want to look sure he moves his eyeball to appease me but his head will not turn around to see the entire picture so far he is satisfied with his glimpse of the mountains off in the distance the problem is that you imagine him inside this huge wall unable to see reality while he imagines the same about you clearly we have a case where relativity plays a big role concerning looking at opposite frames of reality cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net baseball re white and black racism was about the phillies in article 1993apr20 192905 13633 princeton edu niepornt phoenix princeton edu david marc nieporent writes in article 2943640103 10 p00421 psilink com dennis g parslow p00421 psilink com writes to beat a dead horse i seem to remember a fair amount of sympathy for some black fringe player named roberto clemente and for roy campanella and for thurman munson and for just about anyone else who we may not even have liked as players but mourned for dying too young wiggins alan i believe he was well out of baseball by the time he died but thats besides the point im sure people would feel slightly sympathetic for rickey if he were killed but they would also be criticizing him a lot more for his actions example how about jose canseco he gets a couple of speeding tickets and all of the sudden his attitude is awful what the hell do speeding tickets have to do with clubhouse influence anyway so why do sportswriters talk about it all the time uh he also has been charged with chasing his wife in a car and smashing it into a tree as well as carrying a loaded firearm in his car and the speeding reported was over 100 mph reckless driving or brian hunter and keith mitchell both of whom had dwi problems towards the end of last year two years ago it was cited as a sign of their immaturity etc actually i hadnt heard about this thanks meanwhile dykstra almost killed both himself and daulton and i didnt read any sportswriter complaining about that they may have talked about how bad it was for the phillies but i never read anywhere criticism of dykstras character or daultons intelligence for that matter based on this incident i dont know what you were reading or watching but i sure saw a lot about that and about dykstras poker games most of the writing was along the lines of how incredibly stupid and selfish it was and how hed hurt the team by wracking himself and the catcher up etc espn raised questions about his judgement etc the print media here in the sf area questioned why disciplinary action wouldnt be taken against dykstra and one article pointed out that if lenny wanted to kill himself there were ways that wouldnt endanger other peoples lives then there was dykstra himself being quoted on how stupid it was etc mike disclaimer these opiini h h damn h h q w q wq wq d x exit x q c quitbye ctrlaltdel q q logout save quit quit zz zzzzzz vi man vi l c e x i t help helpquit d d man help c c e help exit quit q ctrlshftdel hey what does stop l1a d medicine re re help me inject from article 1993apr22 233001 13436 vax oxford ac uk by krishnas vax oxford ac uk the best way of self injection is to use the right size needle and choose the correct spot for streptomycin usually given intra muscularly use a thin needle 23 24 guage and select a spot on the upper outer thigh no major nerves or blood vessels there clean the area with antiseptic before injection and after make sure to inject deeply a different kind of pain is felt when the needle enters the muscle contrasted to the prick when it pierces the skin ps try to go to a doctor self treatment and self injection should be avoided as far as possible the areas that are least likely to hurt are where you have a little fat i inject on my legs and gut and prefer the gut i can stick it in at a 90 degree angle and barely feel it im not fat just have a little gut my legs however are muscular and i have to pinch to get anything and then i inject at about a 45 degree angle and it still hurts the rate of absorbtion differs for subcutaneous and muscular injections however so if its a daily thing it would be best not to switch places every day to keep consistencey although some suggest switch legs or sides of the stomach for each shot to prevent irritation when you clean the spot off with an alcohol prep wait for it to dry somewhat or you may get the alcohol in the puncture and of course that doesnt feel good a way to prevent irratation is to mark the spot that you injected a good way to do this is use a little round bandage and put it over the spot this helps prevent you from injecting in the same spot and spacing the sites out accuartely about 1 1 2 apart this is from experience so i hope itll help you i have diabetes and have to take an injection every morning later david david hahn university of wisconsin milwaukee hahn csd4 csd uwm edu windows tidying up after removing an ole server a while ago i installed spss for windows as part of an evaluation once the evaluation was complete i duly deleted the software from my pc unfortunately there is still a ghost of spss left when i run something like write and go to embed an object then spss chart appears on the list of objects im offered i looked around all the obvious ini files without success the next thing i tried was looking for the string spss chart in every file in the windows directory it turned up in a file called req dat or reg dat unfortunately the file was binary and so i didnt feel inclined to edit it id welcome a solution for removing spss from the list of ole servers chris wooff c wooff liverpool ac uk medicine re wanted rat cell line adrenal gland cortical c in article roos 49 operoni helsinki fi roos operoni helsinki fi christophe roos writes i am looking for a rat cell line of adrenal gland cortical cell type i have been looking at atcc without success and would very much appreciate any help i shot off a response to this last night that ive tried to cancel it was only a few minutes later while driving home that i remembered that your message does specifically say cortical my first reaction had been to suggest the pc12 pheochromocytoma line that may still be a good compromise depending on what youre doing have you concidered using a mouse cell line from one of the sv40 t antigen transgenic lines another alternative might be primary cells from bovine adrenal cortex mike guns re fbi directors statement on waco standoff paull hplabsz hpl hp com robert paull writes mr nice guy rcanders nyx cs du edu wrote the branch davidians were not violent and were not planning to start violence when the bd compound was assaulted by the atf the bd did fire back but they agreed to a cease fire and they allowed the atf to care for their wounded the bd even released the atf agents they captured it is clear from the release of the agents and allowing the atf medical attention that the bd were not looking for trouble this is the first ive heard of the bd capturing and releasing atf agents is there any more info about this rob p it was filmed the day of the first assault the bds clearly allowed the batf agents who were shot and wounded to leave the compound the lesson i suppose is that you should keep shooting untill all the pigs are dead and then get the fuck outa dodge never give a pig an even break seeeeee ya turmoil halcyon com fuck the police medicine re legality of placebos in article jfhc6bg8y d2x netcom com jfh netcom com jack hamilton writes actually i dont know know anyone who has actually gotten a sugar pill its more common to prescribe a drug which is effective for something just not for what you have antibiotics for viral infections are the most common such placebo and presumably this is a matter of degree it must be common to prescribe a drug that has some chance of giving some benefit but not a high probability of it and or not a large benefit right michael a covington associate research scientist artificial intelligence programs mcovingt ai uga edu the university of georgia phone 706 542 0358 athens georgia 30602 7415 u s a amateur radio n4tmi cars mr2 car cover for sale for sale fitted car cover specifically for 91 92 93 mr 2 top of the line evolution 3 tm fabric used for less than 6 months the cover is in excellent condition no rips cuts stains or other blemishes it has grommets for a locking cable the color is silver price 90 f o b will ship collect please contact wchutt monsanto com or phone at 314 576 3798 after 6 pm cdt guns re waco burning in article 1r4r01inn4v6 clem handheld com jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes in article c5uyg1 7q9 acsu buffalo edu v111qheg ubvmsb cc buffalo edu p vasilion writes in article c5v15a 7oo dscomsa desy de hallam zeus02 desy de writes snip has anyone in u s heard anything similar or are u s government spin doctors censoring such information the b b c news is also reporting that about 20 of those that died were british citizens the b b c are also reporting that bodies of b d members were found with bullet wounds in a manner that suggests they may have been shot attempting to leave the compound during the fire there is a possibility that these are the bodies of people killed during the initial shootout phill hallam baker can you imagine what happens when a magazine explodes bullets go flying every where imho these gunshot wounds were actually caused when the magazines went up a texas ranger does not a pathologist make so ill wait for an autopsy to determine if they were shot first i would doubt bullets would go flying there is no particular force to make the bullet leave the scene of a cartridge going off outside of a barrel the brass shell would burst too soon to give the bullet any real velocity i wouldnt want to be near it but i do not think bullet wounds would result shrapnel wounds would be more likely at least this is my understanding not necessarily if the body had been denatured cooked or dehydrated due to the heat a projectile needs only a minimal kinetic force to penetrate in fire aftermaths bodies tend to fall apart or loose large chunks of meat with little effort medical examiners tend not to like cleaning up such scenes as such if the body had been suitably cooked a bullet comming from a magazine explosion would more than likely have enough force to enter and thus it would be difficult to determine whether a bullet entered at the time of death or much later unless you were trained to look for the evidence texas rangers are not pathologists either way theyre all dead and the fbi atty gen vampria are still responsable yep at least in large part jmd handheld com p vasilion baseball bob vestermans plan to generate fan interest the owners are whining about baseball not being popular among a large enough portion of the population and have suggested various remedies such as shortening the game or trying to convince us that smokeembakeemdominatebysheerintimidation is an accurate description of what is essentially a laid back game forget those lame ideas here is my new and exciting two point plan to generate interest in baseball among the masses point one sex point two violence lets face it sex and violence are the only things that sell in america heres how we can implement them in the game sex cheerleaders cheerleaders and more cheerleaders dancing on top of the dugouts bringing hot dogs to the umps during the seventh inning stretch running up and down the stands the south bend white sox actually do this violence baseball players are such utter wuss boys the pitcher beans the batter and both benches empty in what is called a bench clearing brawl everybody just stands there and looks at each other stand stand stand look look look ho hum then the bullpens come running in when they reach the fight they just stand there too anybody coming off the bench who does not throw at least one punch should be suspended and fined further the bullpens should fight it out in the outfield so as not to waste time and energy running to the infield football sex violence basketball sex violence hockey violence baseball da pastime of da nayshun yawn bob vesterman guns upi news release upi washington dc update desk 4 15 93 for the past several months the clinton administration has been stymied by mixed signals coming from the economy while most leading indicators has shown an apparent improvement in the economy there has been no corresponding improvement in the area of jobs creation the unemployment figures seem stalled at the 7 mark last month in an effort to understand this problem president clinton appointed a blue ribbon panel to try to resolve the apparent conflicting economic signals this panel was chaired by vice president gore today the panel released their results providing a shocking conclusion its the guns vice president gore said apparently nra members and other gun nuts are purchasing firearms at in record numbers pulling the economy out of the recession their buying them five times faster than ever before and stockpiling left and right the vice president said however since many domestic firearm and ammunition manufacturers have been experiencing hard times during the past few years including several declarations of bankruptcy by many leading american gun makers they have not rushed to increase hiring to meet the new demand we want to see if this run will continue before hiring more people said the president of colt industries as long as clinton is in office we suspect it will he added in response to this new information president clinton announced a new gun control measure to be introduced into congress this session its called the ban one a month gun control bill under the terms of this law every make and model of all firearms will be written on individual index cards the cards will all be put in a big hat and the president will draw one card every month sixty days later that gun will be banned from any further manufacture importation or sale in this country except to the politically connected and to members of the national police force the president said this law will benefit america two ways when the gun of the month is announced every thirty days the gun nuts will run out and buy thousands of them boosting the economy even more in addition over the long run we will get all of these icky evil guns off of the street he also announce the appointment of sarah brady to oversee this program citing her honesty and unbiased view on the subject of gun control senators metzenbaum deconcini feinstein and boxer have proposed an amendment to the bill which would add additional index cards containing caliber designations for all know ammunitions their stockpiling stockpiling stockpiling screamed metzenbaum during a press conference at the national headquarters of handgun control inc senators simon metzenbaum and moyenhan also introduced an amendment that would make all guns illegal to possess once the last card has been drawn from the hat senator simon was quoted as saying first well fuck em then well kick em out of bed in the morning during a press conference he held in the second floor mens restroom of the senate building he of course was referring to the fact that he would allow the people to purchase the guns to help the economy but would require the batf to seize all of the guns in america sometime in the year 2008 after all of the cards have been drawn the head of the batf responded by saying we will have to see if this thing in waco is over by then we may be too busy to seize all those guns us house representatives pat schroeder and david skaggs of colorado declared this proposed law as being reasonable gun control which wont affect anybodys constitutional right to own sporting guns end article for the humor impaired bill vojak vojak icebucket stortek com nra ila colorado firearms coalition the cbs nightly propaganda with dan rather rather not the cbs nightly propaganda with dan rather rather biased medicine re pregnency without sex i think you must have the same hygiene teacher i had in 1955 there is a story about the civil war about a soldier who was shot in the groin the bullet after passing through one of his testes then entered the abdomen of a young woman standing nearby later when she a young woman of unimpeachible virtue was shown to be pregnant the soldier did the honorable thing of marrying her according to this story they lived happily ever after perhaps the most famous of mr raus classes was the time he would come into class brandishing an aluminum turning mandrel tapering from about 3 8 to 1 2 over a 10 inch length he would say boys do you know what this is its a medical instrument called a cock reamer and its used to unclog your penis when you have vd they just ram it up there without an anesthetic needless to say this had a chilling effect i didnt have lascivious thoughts for at least an hour later in life as i perused medical instrument catelogs and saw the slender flexible urethral sounds that are actually used i could not escape thinking that i might one day see reamer cock style of rau medicine re kidney stones in article 1993apr29 003406 55029 ux1 cts eiu edu cfaks ux1 cts eiu edu alice sanders writes a student told me today that she has been diagnosed with kidney stones a cyst on one kidney and a kidney infection she was upset because her condition had been misdiagnosed since last fall and she has been ill all this time during her most recent doctors appointment at her parents hmo clinic she said that about forty x rays were made of her kidney when she asked why so many x rays were being made she was told by a technician that they need to see the area from different views but she says that about five x rays were made from each angle she couldnt help feeling that something must be wrong with the procedure or something she is a pre med student and feels she could have understood what was happening if someone would have explained when nobody would she got worried also she is told that thre are 300 surgery patients ahead of her and that they cannot do surgery until august or so it is now april she is supposed to rest a lot and drink fluids but she has to go to classes she wonders why they have given her no medicine she plans to call back her doctors office clinic and try to get answers to these questions but i told her i would also write in to sci med and see what i could find out about why there were so many x rays and whether it seems o k to wait in line 3 or more months for surgery for something like this or whether she should be looking elsewhere for her care she does plan to get a second opinion too i will pass info on to her it never hurts to get information from more than one source you can e mail me or post thanks alice my opinion for what its worth is that 40 x rays is way too many guidleines have been set on the number of dental x rays and chest x rays that one should have over a given period of time because of all the environmental factors that can cause cancer in humans ionizing radiation is one of the most potent splits dna and causes hydroxyl free radical formation in tissue cells ultasound like that used in seeing the fetus in the uterus has been shown to be extremely good at picking up tumors in the prostate and gallstones in the gallbladder but kidney tissue may be too dense for ultrasound to work for kidney stones any radiologists care to comment most stones will pass but its a very painful process unlike gallstones i dont think that there are many drugs that can help dissolve the kidney stone which is probably calcium oxalate vitamin c and magnesium have worked in rabbits to remove calcium from calcified plaques in the aterial wall i have no idea if a diet change or supplementation could speed up the process of kidney stone passage but im pretty confident that a diet change and or supplementation can prevent a reoccurance if surgery is being contemplated the stone must be in the kidney tubule a second opinion is a good idea because there are better less damaging ways to break up the stone if its logged within the kidney sonic blasts hmos are notorious for conservative care and long waits for expensvie treatments my condolences to your friend marty b windows wanted info on asymetrix toolbook does anyone know the phone and fax number of the asymetrix corporation i am also interested in their e mail address i would also like to know what the current status of their product toolbook is i received the last update 1 5 about 1 5 year ago are their any new developments or is toolbook slowly dying regards rob de winter nothing beats skiing if you want to have real fun during holidays rob de winter philips research ist it building wl 1 p o box 80000 5600 ja eindhoven the netherlands tel 31 40 743621 e mail dewinter prl philips nl medicine sheep models in cardiology dear news readers is there anyone using sheep models for cardiac research specifically concerned with arrhythmias pacing or defibrillation i would like to hear from you many thanks andrew mears please email me andrew mears h 61 2 9774245 crc for cardiac technology uts w 61 2 3304091 westbourne st gore hill f 61 2 3304003 n s w 2065 email andrewm iris bio uts edu au guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes i will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors but here goes monday 19 april 1993 13 30 edt murder most foul cnn is reporting as i write this that the atf has ignited all the buildings of the branch dividian ranch near waco tx the lies from atf say holes were made in the walls and non lethal tear gas pumped in a few minutes after this started the whole thing went up all buildings are aflame no one has escaped i think it obvious that the atf used armored flame thrower vehicles to pump in unlit napalm then let the wood stove inside ignite it this is murder atf murderers butchers this is genocidal mass slaughter of innocent people including children i have predicted this from the start but god it sickens me to see it happen i had hoped i was wrong i had hoped that there was still some shred of the america i grew up with and loved left alive i was wrong the nazis have won i repeat as of this time there are no survivors god help us all please crosspost dont let them get away with the slaughter of the children w k gorman an american in tears flame on is this guy serious if he would ever really pay attention to the news oops i forgot that the media for the most part loves to jump right on top of a story before all the facts are known as well as to manipulate what we see and thus what we believe any ways one of koreshs devoted followers that did i repeat did survive this genocidal mass slaughter of innocent people besides there are nine survivors in the burn unit of the local hospital and was reported that david was in one of the towers when the shit hit the fan besides a majority of these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit sp also someone should have told david and his followers that if they cant the heat then they should stay out of the kitchen pun intended flame off aaah daniaalson yah wanna fight fight me matthew r hamilton mhamilto mcs kent edu a k a cs physics major 1499h751 ksuvxb kent edu the lawnmowerman kent state university 1299h751 ksuvxb kent edu look here for future advice quotes sayings jibberish philosohy guns re aclu was re waco shootout paul hager hagerp cs indiana edu writes the 2nd amendment does say keep and bear if bear is defined to mean carry then most people are physically unable to carry a several hundred pound nuclear device as i understand it sub kiloton nuclear demolitions are man portable and carried in a backpack as i recall in the 60s the kennedy administration had sub kiloton nuclear weapons withdrawn from europe and destroyed they were man portable and made for use in shoulder mount rocket launchers the smallest nuclear test ive seen data for was a 1 yes one tenth kiloton weapon tested either in the late 40s or early 50s aaron arc cco caltech edu windows re icons gone in a previous article hsano cs ulowell edu hitoshi sano says im not sure if this is the proper place to post this the icons on win3 1 program manager have all dissapeared and i need to restore them the files all seem to be there on the disk and i think there must be a better way than re installing everything thanks for any help hmmmmm you know this happened to me also i am not sure what caused it i think there might have been a system error and dumped windows i came back and all was well except no groups program manager was empty all the grp files were in the directory i had to remake the groups with the new and group selection all the icons and files inside the groups were still there and working fine just the groups had gone out of program manager strange c ya artin this communication is sent by artin university of arizona tucson ak333 cleveland freenet edu mlinsenb ccit arizona edu mlinsenb arizvms death has been dead for about 2 000 years follow the king of kings windows re procomm plus for windows problems kentiler matt ksu ksu edu kent p iler writes i have normal procomm plus for dos but ive been considering buying the windows version it got really great reviews in computer shopper i have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here using it but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the modem he has a 14 400 modem on a 486 50 mhz machine i cant see it having trouble keeping up his pcplus for dos works great re what to do after the high speed modem arrives edition 01 apr 93 this article applies only to windows 3 0 and 3 1 and not to nt os 2 or dos apps not running under windows one of the unadvertised limitations of most current windows pcs is that their rs 232c serial com performance is seriously deficient almost everyone who purchases a high speed modem v 32bis v 32 pep or hst discovers the problem the first time they try to download a file or accept an incoming fax at 9600 after upgrading the modem overrun and retry errors abound even when the only active application is the datacomm or fax program if the transfer completes at all it may take even longer than with the old 2400bps modem there are three reasons for the problem 1 the universal asynchronous receiver transmitters uarts used in most pcs are primitive ns8250 devices with single byte fifo buffers if the operating system driver cannot read and flush each character at high interrupt rates the next incoming character overwrites the fifo and the previous one is lost dos being a fairly single minded environment during datacomm can usually keep up windows cant 2 windows has more operating system overhead than plain dos and interrupts often take longer to service overruns are much more likely than under dos as soon as you report to your pc modem vendor that you are losing data you may be advised that you need to upgrade to a 16550 more likely since there seems to be a conspiracy of ignorance about this issue youll get no useful advice at all most of the store front and mail order sources i spoke with in attempting to solve my own problem had never heard the term 16550 and many didnt even know what a uart was 3 even your pc has ns16550a uarts and ps 2s do or if you can upgrade your mother com board or add a new com board you may still experience errors and overruns because the standard microsoft windows com drivers dont take full advantage of the 16550 windows 3 1 is improved in this regard over 3 0 but i still recommend a driver upgrade applications like procomm win which is what i use cannot get around this problem by themselves if you have a modem card you may not have a problem as the modem part of the card can be designed to be aware of the state of the uart and avoid overrunning it however i wouldnt want to bet that the card designers were that clever and will insist on a 16550 uart if i ever buy a modem card some modem cards dont even have conventional uarts but if they are to work with standard windows drivers they need to simulate one use msd exe below to see what the modem card is or is pretending to be the hardware situation the uarts on most pc com ports are based on national semiconductor ns8250 or ns16450 chips or megacells inside vlsi chips where you cant replace them you can id the uart type on your system by running the microsoft diagnostic program windows msd exe be sure to run it in dos before bringing up windows the windows serial api may prevent msd from accurately identifying a 16550 if you run it from a windows dos prompt the ns16550 uart has separate 16 byte transmit and receive fifos with configurable trigger levels and can run reliably at clock rates up to 460 800 bps although with current modem technology theres no point in pushing your luck by going over 115 200 bps the 16550 has shorted access cycle times than the 16450 or 8250 the 16550 also has dma capability but it is not clear that any pc drivers ever use this for more technical info see national semiconductor application note an 491 so what uart component do you have try to locate the uart on your mother board multi function i o card com board or isa mca modem card if you cant find a socketed component with the numbers 8250 or 16450 your com ports are probably buried in vlsi and you wont be able to perform a chip replacement if you can disable your vlsi com ports as i chose to do you can at least add an aftermarket com board if you have one or more socketed 8250 or 16450 chips you can buy plug in ns16550afn or pc16c550cn low power cmos version ics from several suppliers typically for 9 to 15 each the n chip is the normal 40 pin dual in line package other styles are available but avoid any ns16550 chips without the a the 16c550c are presumably all ok early ns chips have bugs although national will reportedly exchange those of their own manufacture for free clone chips are available from various ic makers other than national the manual for the turbocom drivers states support for the following apparently equivalent chips national semiconductor 16550a 16551 16552 chips technology 82c607 texas instruments t16c550a silicon systems 73m550 vlsi 16c550 turbocom warns about the pre a ns16550 and western digital 16c550 says that problems have been reported with early ibm ps 2 55sx and 70 systems ibm reportedly will upgrade them if you dont have socketed 8250 16450 chips youll need to buy an after market com or multi function board if this is a modem card situation you may be hosed to add a new com or multi function card youll need to either disable the com1 2 port s you are replacing or re assign them to com3 4 although watch out for irq conflicts without turbocom although cheaper cards are available in the interest of getting the problem solved quickly i elected buy the modular circuit technology mct aio card from jdr microdevices 2233 samaritan drive san jose ca 95124 800 538 5000 voice us 408 559 1200 voice other 800 538 5005 fax us the mct aio and the is important sells for 89 95 it is an 8 bit isa card providing port type connector address and irq comments com db9m com 1 2 3 irq 2 3 4 5 ns16550afn in socket com ribbon com 2 3 4 irq 2 3 4 5 ns16550afn in socket parallel db25f lpt1 2 3 irq 5 7 game ribbon the kit includes a ribbon cable and db25f connector for the secondary com port a ribbon cable connector for the game port two bulkhead plates for the ribbon based connectors and a 9f to 25f adaptor cable each port can be individually disabled and the com ports have tx rx rts cts dtr dcd and dsr jumpers jdr also sells a super i o m f card that also has ide i have heard from several people about less expensive m f i o cards with 16550s tsd systems 407 331 9130 19 95 for the card plus 9 95 per 16550 greenfield trading and distributors 518 271 2473 voice 518 271 7811 fax their card is 33 w one 16550 45 w 2 and they sell 16550afns for 13 r s data systems inc 820 east highway 434 longwood fl 32750 phone 407 331 1424 fax 407 331 8606 2com lpt game card w 2 16550s for 39 i have no personal experience with any of the firms except jdr meanwhile back at the mct card from jdr i only needed two serial ports and am running out of irqs on my pc so i disabled my built in vlsi based 8250 ports however with the turbocom driver below i could have set the internals as com3 and 4 using irq sharing the software situation simply upgrading to 16550 uarts will not completely solve common overrun problems the standard ms serial drivers dont take full advantage of the 16550 the windows 3 0 drivers are even less capable and the windows 3 1 drivers have the following limitations they enable only the receive fifo and only at rates above 2400 bps they never enable the transmit fifo which results in an interrupt rate of 10x during uploads they set the trigger level at 14 bytes too high its easy for 2 more bytes to arrive before the driver can read the fifo the ports menu of the control panel only allows speeds up to 19200 with a v 32bis modem sparse data and text can easily compress 3 1 or more suggesting that a host dte connect rate of 57 600 bps would be effective the api wont accept rates above cbr 128000 the api wont let dos programs know there is a 16550 there and even if it did dos programs that arent 16550 aware get little benefit from a 16550 port with the standard drivers they dont allow irq sharing for com3 4 the bios doesnt initialize com3 4 properly in many systems windows provides no workaround for apps that dont provide port speed options above 19200 bps these problems are reportedly not solved in windows nt or dos 6 0 and may or may not be addressed in any windows releases after 3 1 but before 4 0 rumors suggest they may be solved in windows 4 0 you can get replacement drivers that solve all of those problems by buying a copy of turbocom current version 1 2 from bio engineering research pacific commware division 180 beacon hill lane ashland or 97520 9701 503 482 2744 voice 503 482 2627 fax 503 482 2633 bbs mcimail 344 5374 compuserve 71521 760 price was around 50 as i recall bio eng is not set up to accept credit cards so i had to send a check egghead and 1 800 software list turbocom but as far as i know they dont stock it bio is not a software company per se they apparently needed reliable hi speed serial connections for an in house instrument application wrote their own driver discovered a market for it revised it to be a general purpose com driver suite they recently upgraded it for windows 3 1 it is run time licensed i now have my host dte connect rate set to 57 600 bps most of my datacomm apps and i am having zero problems with downloads i routinely see transfer rates that exceed 2 000 bps i am also using 115 200 bps when linking an hp95lx to my pc with lossless bi directional i o uploads to various remote systems are another matter because many hosts are still using antique uarts and drivers note that 19200 is still the highest rate that the windows 3 1 port menu in control panel will allow in configuring a com port turbocom gets around this by allowing you to specify on each port a factor that will set the real uart rate to a multiple of the rate passed through the windows apis and dialog boxes i also have cts rts hardware flow control enabled and i suggest that you do the same even if you only ever transfer 7 bit ascii data xon xoff is not a sufficiently reliable method of flow control the informal dec standard for xon xoff hysteresis is that the sender may transmit another 16 yes sixteen bytes after receipt of the xoff from the receiving system or device the 16 byte fifo in the 16550 is clearly not big enough to let us rely exclusively on xon xoff a well respected datacomm engineer has informed me that the 16550s cant really do cts rts all by itself in the dos windows environment so using data rates above 115 200 may still be risky even with hardware flow control a 16550 with turbocom can still experience overruns in very busy systems with lots of apps running and serious swapping in progress if this is your situation you may need to buy a co processed com board but this will cost you more than a 16550 turbocom upgrade a review of two such boards and a review of turbocom can be found in the feb93 issue of windows sources magazine i suggest trying a 16550 turbocom upgrade first and experiment with process priorities and time slices if you are a power user whose thrashing system still runs into comm problems closing soapbox comments the state of rs 232c serial datacomm support is an embarrassment across the computer industry because it is the oldest standard i o interface the job of designing hardware and writing software often seems to be assigned to the least senior or lowest ranked engineers at computer companies the design of the average serial port is at least ten years behind the state of the art in my last job with a major workstation vendor i lobbied for improved serial ports when they were doing the initial designs of a new system that family of machines was subsequently introduced with 16550 ports however this is the exception few computer companies seem to have any champions for decent i o you may as well learn what you can about serial i o because this situation shows no sign of improving soon when v fast arrives i expect cries of outrage from windows users world wide whose 8250 pcs sort of work today with v 32 but will fail miserably with v fast without a hardware buffered uart like the 16550 and without software drivers that use that uart to best advantage a v fast modem will be a waste of money regards 1001 a east harmony road bob niland suite 503 internet rjn csn org fort collins co 80525 compuserve 71044 2124 303 223 5209 copyright 1993 robert j niland all rights reserved permission is granted for automatic redistribution of this article via electronic magnetic and optical media in an unedited form through any usenet newsgroup where the article is posted by the author permission is granted for each compuserve and usenet reader subscriber and each person who received this article from compuserve an ftp site authorized by the author or via electronic mail from the author to retain one electronic copy and to make hardcopy reproductions of this edition of this article for personal non commercial use provided that no material changes are made to the article or this copyright statement all other copying storage reproduction or redistribution of this article in any form is prohibited without the express written consent of the author robert j niland eof windows re hot key for screen saver well renaming screensavers scr to exe and running them as has been pposted i havent tried changing win ini but should have same effect shows me the setup dialog box butdoesnt enable the saver mickey guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article c5zsyn mtd sugar neosoft com jpsb neosoft com jim shirreffs writes if the fbi started the fire why didn t people flee the burning building james dusek james it could be that they were determined to stay together in the compound no matter what happened perhaps the fire was accidental and the db simply refused to leave the compod perhap they died fighting the fire who knows we will have to wait and see i persaonlly find it hard to believe that they would all agree to burn themselves up what a horrible way to go jim shirreffs i seem to recall graphic news file of buddhist monks setting themselves on fire in the streets of saigon yes its a horrible way to go but apparently not so horrible that someone with enough religious conviction might not be able to carry it through and since theyve discovered bullet wounds in a couple of the bodies from the compound there is the possiblity that those with the will power to self immolate also had the will power to take out the ones who had less constitutional fortitude then again maybe the fbi ran in while the fire was raging executed those two and ran out again jason durbin oracle europe windows re canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 justin whitton ma90jjw isis ajax rsre mod uk wrote in article c60eki kvp vcd hp com edmoore vcd hp com ed moore writes thomas d fellrath 1 nd edu nd edu wrote i think the ink now used in the deskjet family is water fast ive had pictures ruined by a few drops of rain these were colour pictures from a deskjet 500c mind you it could have been acid rain the black ink is waterfast but the color isnt i use a bj10ex ink dries fast but it really doesnt like getting wet justin whitton at ma90jjw hermes uk mod relay where no man has gone before after august mail ma90jjw brunel ac uk disclaimer my opinions count for nothing except when the office is empty im a student intelligence 0 bob taylor hp vancouver baseball a l east is best in baseball is there any doubt that this is true after a few down years the a l east is back to where it was in the early eighties with the emergence of the os and the yanks it is far and away the best while the n l west has the best team in baseball and the reds arent bad either they have nothing else the giants astros and padres all have talent they do not have the all arounf teams that are found in the a l east and the dodgers just plain suck as for the rockies who knows the a l east has the defending champs and although they lost a lot to free agency toronto is still one of the best in baseball the orioles have the preseason favorite to win the cy young in mike mussina and you can never forget about ripken the signings of harold baines and harold reynolds dont hurt to much either although i always liked bill ripken while they let a lot go this summer randy milligan joe orsulak bill ripken bob milacki sam horn storm davis and craig lefferts they kept the heart of their team intact my predicted finish 1 baltimore could be a biased opinion 2 ny yankees 3 toronto 4 milwaukee 5 detroit 6 boston 7 cleveland would have been higher if not for the accident go os religion re is it good that jesus died jasons atlastele com jason smith writes bskendig netcom com brian kendig writes and i felt torn when i began to disagree with a lot of what the bible and my priests told me did it start getting a little uncomfortable did your style start feeling a bit cramped yes thats exactly what i felt my heart just felt that what i was being taught was wrong a basically good message but framed in errors i could not with a clear conscience accept that women were somehow not equal to men that homosexuals are guilty of their lifestyle that pride in ones work is a bad thing that jesus died for me i dont want anybody to die for me especially as an impersonal act where the person cant possibly even know me well enough to really know if im worth dying for or not i was never able to accept the bit about jesuss death being a good thing if that means that im just not comprehending a basic message of christianity then so be it maybe im just not compatible with christianity i just refuse to follow rules blindly and since i cant even convince myself that your god even exists in the way you describe it ive got to just follow my own conscience in these matters i know how that goes knowing i couldnt and didnt want to live up to those impossibleand rather incovenient rules are what kept me outside too dont think that my morals are shoddy or nonexistent just because i dont believe in your god i will not steal and i will not murder not because i fear divine repudiation but because these just arent in my character you may think theres nothing keeping me from just running around on a murdering spree stealing things when im able insulting people for the heck of it because im not answerable to anyone but youd be wrong im answerable to myself a life like that would be a cheap life i happen to want to earn respect in myself till i met the man that is my initial break with christianity came after a lot of soul searching and a lot of wondering why i could no longer feel the presence of god with me i finally decided that i had once felt this presence just as i had felt my mighty teddy bear beside me when i was a little tyke protecting me from the monsters under the bed that i had believed in god just as i had believed in the teddy bear as something of an emotional crutch to protect me from perceived dangers since then ive never abandoned the possibility that maybe your supernatural trinity does exist but there are a few times when in my darkened room by my bed i have set aside everything i believe for a moment and called out to whatevers out there because i want to know the truth even if it means abandoning everything i know and i have not yet received an answer only when i truly listened to myself body and soul did i realize that i could no longer honestly keep up the charade of being christian there is a higher truth in the universe and christianity just aint it any suggestions on what or who or where it might be and why nope it may well be unknowable scientists have suggested that the universe may be finite and wrap around on itself the three dimensional universe may be mapped onto a four dimensional supersphere in the same way you can map a two dimensional plane onto a three dimensional sphere see sphereland the sequel to flatland for more thoughts on this our entire universe might just be an electron in a four dimensional universe which in turn may only be an insignificant speck in a universe above that and so on and so forth until the variables become too much for us to even speculate on that is theres no possible way for us to know exactly how we came to be so theres no reason at all to believe that your god exists nor had anything to do with it ok you may say so now if im just being good am i doing good enough thats for you to answer if you feel youre doing fine then go ahead and ignore us foolish little christians we can present what weve seen and experienced providing our witness but it isnt up to us to make that seed sprout christians have provided me with nothing except quotes from your holy book and all sorts of tactics to try to get me to believe guilt trips insinuations that im without morals arguments from disbelief how can you possibly believe that god doesnt exist and so forth all im asking is for you to convince me i want to be convinced but its not going to be easy so much as you dont like what were selling there just may be someone out there that can identify with it methinks you could give us all a lesson in tolerance and back off having had years upon years of contact with your religion from both the inside and the outside i view it as harmful in many ways it preys on people who want to find meaning in their lives and once its got these people it teaches them to have pity and sometimes starkly intolerant of others who do not share these views maybe youll say that your religion doesnt teach that but ive got to judge christianity from the christians i know i feel that it is entirely possible and good to have faith in ones self and to be a positive influence on society for no better reason than that so i hope that my words in this newsgroup will at least make some people think i want christians to realize that there are perfectly valid lifestyles and opinions that have nothing to do with their deity whatsoever and i want people who are considering christianity to realize that christianity does not hold the sole key to a happy fulfilled life i have known some very nice christians who have done some very nice things i think what sets these people apart from the general masses is that they recognize that their religious beliefs may be wrong and they know the weaknesses of their religion yet they still decide to believe but they keep their beliefs to themselves and do not think any less of people who dont agree with them obviously the debate on the veracity and reliability of the source of the christians faith is far from conclusive notwithstanding how vehemently we propose otherwise precisely my point youve still not given me a reason to be a christian instead of a buddhist or a moslem the nice thing about religion if you lose yourself deeply enough in it is that eventually youll be able to feel justified in most anything you want to do yknow your right fortunately for everyone around me im not religious im a christian just as the moslems arent religious and the buddhists arent religious who is religious then brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau guns re whos next mormons and jews hmm am i the only person that remembers masada this isnt the first time a group has committed suicide to avoid persecution capture and you seem to miss the point that the raid should never have happened in the first place i find the fbi actions too damn reminiscent of the warsaw ghetto fitting that al gore was in poland for events marking the 50th anniversery of that remove any references to dates and you have two raids by government troops wearing black uniforms carrying automatic weapons backed by armored vehicles against religious minorities they claim were practicing sexually deviant behavior and hoarding weapons too damn similar james ps i am not advocating the bds i just find the whole situation too damn troubling james s cochrane when in danger or in doubt run in this space gt6511a prism gatech edu circles scream and shout for rent religion wanted moltmanns god in creation im greatly in need of jurgen moltmanns book god in creation an ecological doctrine of creation if you have a copy youre willing to part with id love to hear from you soon you may call me at 312 702 8367 or e mail me thanks susan soric independent agent susan soric upubs uchicago edu medicine net address for who i am looking for the email address of the world health organization in particular the address for the department of nursing or the chief scientist for nursing dr miriam hirschfeld the snail mail address i have is the following world health organization 20 avenue appia 1211 geneva 27 switzerland please respond directly to me thank you for your assistance elg elizabeth glaser rn elg silver lcs mit edu guns re the truth starts to come out would someone please post the generic addresses for congress and senate so that we can all write letters us house of representatives washington dc 20515 us senate washington dc 20510 cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time nancy hayduke nancy feagans writes ashtrays and cigarette lighters these should be an option gm at least is heading in that direction one of the post sale questions they asked me was if id like the choice of a cigarette liter or an accessory plug and another whether id like the choice of an ashtray or a cup holder the 93 geo storms have the cigarette lighter vs accessory plug option which did not exist in the 92 i bought im not sure about the ash tray vs cup holder its a step in the right direction the ashtray does make a convenient change holder so its not completely useless jim frost jimf centerline com medicine re blindsight in article 19382 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article werner 240393161954 tol7mac15 soe berkeley edu werner soe berkeley edu john werner writes in article 19213 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks wrote explain i thought there were 3 types of cones equivalent to rgb youre basically right but i think there are just 2 types one is sensitive to red and green and the other is sensitive to blue and yellow this is why the two most common kinds of color blindness are red green and blue yellow yes i remember that now well in that case the cones are indeed color sensitive contrary to what the original respondent had claimed im not sure who the original respondent was but to reiterate cones respond to particular portions of the spectrum just as rods respond to certain parts of the visible spectrum bluegreen in our case reddish in certain amphibia just as the hoseshoe crab limulus polyphemus photoreceptors respond to a certain portion of the spectrum etc it is a common misconception to confound wavelength specificity with being color sensitive however the two are not synonymous so in sum and to beat a dead horse 1 when the outputs of a cone are matched for number of absorbed photons irrespective of the absorbed photons wavelength the cone outputs are indistinguishable 2 cones are simply detectors with different spectral sensitivities and are not any more color sensitive than are rods ommatidia or other photoreceptors 3 color vision arises because outputs of receptors which sample different parts of the spectrum cones in this case are processed centrally the handwave is intentional ive worked and published research on rods and cones for over 10 years so the adherence to the belief that cones can detect color is frustrating but dont take my word for it im reposting a few excellent articles together with two rather good but oldish color vision texts the texts robert boynton 1979 human color vision holt rhiehart and winston leo m hurvich 1981 color vision sinauer associates the original articles baylor and hodgkin 1973 detection and resolution of visual stimuli by turtle phoreceptors j physiol 234 pp163 198 baylor lamb and yau 1978 reponses of retinal rods to single photons j physiol 288 pp613 634 schnapf et al 1990 visual transduction in cones of the monkey macaca fascicularis j physiol 427 pp681 713 edwin barkdoll barkdoll lepomis psych upenn edu eb3 world std com edwin barkdoll eb3 world std com baseball re relative value of players in article c5ro4h lww world std com jle world std com joe m leonard writes i always thought that a reasonable means of measuring value between players was to attempt to determine if a team would trade one for another the major problem with this analysis is that it ignores age even if morris were performing as well as clemens right now and were likely to this season nobody would trade clemens for morris straight up because clemens has more of his career left sherri nichols snichols adobe com baseball re jack morris in article 1993apr19 024222 11181 newshub ariel yorku ca cs902043 ariel yorku ca shawn luddington writes hey valentine i dont see boston with any world series rings on their fingers yah so damn morris now has three and probably the hall of fame in his future he certainly didnt earn his last one how many games did he blow in the world series all of the ones he started therefore i would have to say toronto easily made the best signing oh yes definitely therefore morris is better than clemens dont give me that shit if boston had alomar olerud henke and ward while toronto had rivera jack clark jeff reardon things would have looked a little different last fall give credit where credit is due this lavishing of praise on morris makes me sick and dont tell me boston will win this year they wont even be in the top 4 in the division more like 6th im willing to bet they dont finish sixth im also willing to bet they dont finish first and if you give me 3 2 odds im willing to bet that they finish ahead of the blue jays valentine guns letter to a liberal colleague l neil smith posted by cathy smith for l neil smith letter to a liberal colleague authors note adrian name changed to protect the guilty and the author are science fiction novelists who once worked with the same editor at a famous new york publishing house dear adrian im way behind schedule on my current book again so this reply to your note criticizing the recent magazine interview i gave and generally attacking gun ownership will necessarily consist mostly of assertions youre free to believe or not i can back with evidence and logic ive neither time nor energy to present now ive written fully on this topic before and will again in the future when i do ill make sure you get copies there are many arguments i might make from the futility and danger of delegating self defense to the police see don kates in the jan 10 1985 wall street journal to the real effect of prohibition shifting consumers from newly outlawed handguns or semiautomatic rifles to items like sawed off shotguns or homemade bombs but ill limit myself here to commenting on the newspaper clipping you sent with your note first the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural fundamental and inalienable human individual civil and constitutional right subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility second publication of some latter day scientific study doesnt alter the fact that the gun prohibitionists i discussed in my interview annoying you so much in the process were lying third the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural fundamental and inalienable human individual civil and constitutional right subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility fourth as often happens with these things the study doesnt support the gun prohibitionists original numerical contentions anyway but simply adds a new layer of spurious claims to an older body of lies omissions and distortions fifth the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural fundamental and inalienable human individual civil and constitutional right subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility sixth the fact that gun prohibitionists have been caught lying on countless occasions carl bakal author of no right to keep and bear arms even confessed to it publicly makes the value of this present study dubious to say the least seventh the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural fundamental and inalienable human individual civil and constitutional right subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility eighth given your own lifelong service as a federal bureaucrat not to mention the cynical sophistication of your fiction you should be better aware than most people how progress in designing studies to prove whatever you want outstrips our ability to collect meaningful data a case in point we might agree on is the fact that it took another kind of prohibitionist 20 or 30 years to create studies proving that pornography causes crime more naive and probably more honest efforts in the 50s and 60s clearly indicate the contrary ninth the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural fundamental and inalienable human individual civil and constitutional right subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility tenth another reason to doubt all such studies is that human behavior as the austrian school of economics demonstrates is far too complex and unpredictable to be meaningfully quantified the attempt to do so and then create public policy based on the resulting pseudo information is wrecking our civilization eleventh the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural fundamental and inalienable human individual civil and constitutional right subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility twelfth the study is also worthless because it incorporates figures for suicide which is not necessarily a tragedy but basically another individual right sometimes with ancillary social benefits if anything perhaps suicide intervention should be a criminal offense thirteenth and finally the national rifle association officials quoted in the article whatever their shortcomings and they are many are correct in this instance the study is meaningless because the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural fundamental and inalienable human individual civil and constitutional right subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility and because of that adrian even if the study were valid it wouldnt deter me from a lifelong personal objective of seeing that anyone can own any weapon he or she prefers and carry it however whenever and wherever he or she desires without asking anybodys permission in this im ably assisted by gun prohibitionists themselves whose yawping invariably moves previously unarmed people to go out and buy their first gun while they still can before the 68 gun control act most of the shooting fraternity viewed handguns incorrectly as it turned out as inaccurate ineffective toys there probably werent six million of them in the whole country now thanks to kennedy metzenbaum the bradys and their ilk americas greatest sporting goods sales team we probably manufacture at least that many every year the fascinating datum is that handgun control et al are perfectly aware of this so i guess youll have to ask them yourself what their real motives are look gun making isnt an arcane or difficult art and by the way its easier to make a fully automatic weapon than a semiautomatic the fact that i can still obtain my own weapon of preference the self loading pistol is the only thing which keeps me from pursuing this further even if it were difficult there are already a quarter billion firearms in america with an estimated half life of 1000 years possibly more for stainless steel guns are gonna be around a long time adrian whether you like it or not as for me to paraphrase elmer keith regardless of what the law provides or any court decides im always going to be armed and i will always work to see that others are as well the bad news is that there are thousands more perhaps even hundreds of thousands where i come from we cant be stopped by passing laws we can only be forced to arm ourselves and others secretly and given both the practical and alleged differences between full automatics and semiautomatics perhaps more efficiently so whats the point l neil smith author the probability broach the crystal empire henry martyn and forthcoming pallas lever action bbs 303 493 6674 fidonet 1 306 31 4 libertarian second amendment caucus nra life member my opinions are of course my own religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed in article 20apr199301460499 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu stephen writes seems to me koresh is yet another messenger that got killed for the message he carried which says nothing about the seems to be barring evidence to the contrary that koresh was simply another deranged fanatic who thought it neccessary to take a whole bunch of folks with him children and all to satisfy his delusional mania jim jones circa 1993 in the mean time we sure learned a lot about evil and corruption are you surprised things have gotten that rotten nope fruitcakes like koresh have been demonstrating such evil corruption for centuries the old frogs almanac a salute to that old frog hissef ryugen fisher 604 245 3205 v32 604 245 4366 2400x4 sco xenix 2 3 2 gt ladysmith british columbia canada serving central vancouver island with public access usenet and internet mail home to the holocaust almanac baseball re why spanky boone psc edu jon boone writes on mon 12 apr 93 00 53 14 gmt in 1993apr12 005314 5700 mnemosyne cs du edu greg spira gspira nyx cs du edu wrote does anybody in the pittsburgh area know why mike lavalliere was released last year i kept saying that slaught should get the bulk of the playing time that he was clearly the better player at this point but leyland insisted on keeping a pretty strict platoon and now he is released that doesnt make any sense to me greg the story goes like this spanky is too slow if he were quicker he would still be here but with slaught and tom prince they didnt want to lose prince in order to bring up that 11th pitcher slaught is about as good as spanky and prince is coming along nicely well my question still hasnt been answered if spanky was bad enough to release this year why did he get so much playing time last year yes i know he was part of a platoon and thats why he got more playing time than slaught but that doesnt answer the question if slaught was so obviously better this year wasnt this also obvious last year and shouldnt he have been taking away some of spankys playing time against righties greg guns re ban all firearms as quoted from 1993apr17 025258 7013 microsoft com by anthonyf microsoft com anthony francisco cmort if anybody wanted proof of the nonsense of the you cant build guns claim they need look no farther than the philippines amateur gunsmiths there regularly produce everything from 45 automatics to full auto shotguns now if this guy wants to claim that the philippines is either technologically superior to the us or that their transportation is better than ours all i can say is that hes living in a fantasy world unfortunately a few of those 45s blow up in your hands thats life first you marry imelda marcos then you die on the other hand my compatriots built an excellent copy of a beretta that i enjoyed using when i lived in the philippines hmmmm and thats the hard stuff to copy youre like a bunch of over educated new york jewish aclu lawyers fighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in arkansas holly silva medicine re krillean photography in article 1rjr1uinnh8 gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu carl j lydick writes in article 1993apr26 204319 11231 ultb isc rit edu eas3714 ultb isc rit edu e a story writes in article 1rgrsvinnmpr gap caltech edu carl sol1 gps caltech edu writes greg flame definitely intended here bill was making fun of the misspelling go look up the word krill also the correct spelling is kirlian it involves taking photographs of corona discharges created by attaching the subject to a high voltage source not of some aura it works equally well with inanimate objects true but what about showing the missing part of a leaf is this corona discharge yup the demonstration to which you refer consists of placing a leaf between the plates and taking a kirlian photograph of it you then cut off part of the leaf put the top plate back on and take another kirlian photograph you see pretty much the same image in both cases turns out the effect isnt nearly so striking if you take the trouble to clean the plates between photographs seems that the moisture from the leaf that you left on the place conducts electricity surprise surprise this is true but its not quite the whole story there were actually some people who were more careful in their methodology who also replicated the phantom leaf effect one of the most influential critics of kirlian electrophotography is a theosophist and threfore presumably willing to entertain the hypothesis of scientific evidence for a human aura electromagnetic or otherwise professor of electrical engineering at londons city university and a past president of the society for psychic research named a j ellison after years of studying the method and the claims ellison came to the conclusion that the photographic images are what we calls lichtenberg figures an effect of intermittent ionization of the air around the object its a bit more complicated than not wiping off the plates but it comes down to the same thing in the end kirlian electrophotography has much more limited value if any than was previously widely thought electrical and magnetic fields generated by the body are much too small to be of much use diagnostically without very elaborate equipment and usually also tracer chemicals kind regards todd todd i stark stark dwovax enet dec com digital equipment corporation 215 542 3573 philadelphia pa usa a word is the skin of a living thought oliver wendell holmes jr windows driver for s3801 2mb card dear netters my friend have brought a s3801 card with 2mb ram is there any new driver for the card available on ftp cites what is the newest version she is very interest in have a driver for 1024x768 with hicolor and 800x600 true color no such driver come with the card k w mok k w mok e mail h8714031 hkuxa hku hk dept of chem university of hong kong cars re comparing saabs bmws edwards world std com jonathan edwards writes bmws suck in the snow i have aggressive snows plus a hundred pounds of sand in the back and i still try to avoid driving in the snow i happily took the saab through blizzard conditions without a worry i would say this is the single design flaw in the bmw for a reasonable sum you can get a bmw with traction control a torque sensing limited slip rear differential since no fwd car including the saab has this kind of front differential since it would exacerbate torque steer a bmw with traction control should have the theoretical advantage on snow of course weight distribution and skinny tires could affect this windows re windows for workgroups and lan workplace flint waters uwyo edu flint waters writes now does anyone know if it is possible to use w4wg and lan workplace for dos at the same time yup were using both and they work just fine hopefully someday wfwg will communicate over lwp tcpip right now we have to load netbeui i use odi with odinsup and all works well hey sounds great does that mean that w4wg works with odi i thought it uses ndis my problem is that lan workplace with all its drivers uses up most of my umbs so id hate to have to load many more drivers to make w4wg work along i read in a german computer magazine that tcp ip support for w4wg is just around the corner anybody have any news about this regards richard dr richard spitz internet spitz ana med uni muenchen de edv gruppe anaesthesie tel 49 89 7095 3421 klinikum grosshadern fax 49 89 7095 8886 munich germany cars aussie needs info on usa car shows swap meets hi from australia i am a car enthusiast in australia i am particularly interested in american muscle cars of the 1960s and 1970s all makes amc ford chrysler mopar gm i will be in the usa for 6 weeks from may 2nd to june 14 1993 chicago sun may 2 thursday may 6 denver friday may 7 sunday may 9 austin texas monday may 10 friday may 21 oklahoma city friday may 21 monday may 24 anaheim california tuesday may 25 thursday may 27 las vegas nevada friday may 28 sunday may 30 grand canion monday may 31 tuesday june 1 las angeles san diego and vicinity wednesday june 3 sunday june 6 june south lake tahoe cal sunday june 6 wednesday june 9 reno thursday june 10 san fransisco thursday june 10 sunday june 13 i was wondering if anyone could send me any information of car shows swap meets drag meets model car shows etc during this period can anybody tell me when the pomona swap meet is on this year also any places to visit eg car museums private collections your collection etc any bit of information is appreciated i am also interested in finding some model cars scale models i am intersted in 1968 1974 amc cars of particular interest is 1968 1970 amx 1968 1974 javelin 1969 scrambler 1970 rebel machine and others if you have any kits plastics diecast etc and are interested in selling them tell me i will be interested i can also send bring you models of australian high performance cars if you are interested please reply by email to johnt spri levels unisa edu au thanks john tsimbinos medicine inner ear problems from too much flying can one develop inner ear problems from too much flying i hear that pilots and steward esses have a limit as to the maximum number of flying hours what are these limits what are the main problems associated with too many long haul over 4 hours trips frequent flyer windows re more diamond ss 24x dil admin mhs unc edu dave laudicina writes has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this card is only in windows i have replaced card and am waiting on latest drivers also have experienced general protection fault errors in wspdpsf drv on winword tools option menu and in winfax setup i had a ati ultra but was getting genral protection fault errors in an spss application these card manufactures must have terrible quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs what a hassle running on gateway 2000 dx2 50 thx dave l might the problem not be with the video monitor instead many of our monitors as they age develop shadows on white and bright colors peter goudswaard goudswaa sfu ca preferred pgoudswa cln etc bc ca pgoudswa cue bc ca theres no gift like the present goudswaards observation guns starting my letter writing campaign okay here is the result of my efforts im just getting started with this type of activity so please set your flame thowers on low comments corrections suggestions welcomed editor i would like to ask you and your readers a few questions that are related to the right to keep and bear arms and to a greater degree the many other rights that we take for granted on a daily basis 1 youre sleeping at night when you hear someone in your house you call the police how will you defend yourself should the need arise while you are waiting for the police to arive 2 you are driving your family home when your car breaks down a good samaritan stops to help when you find you and your family at gun point or knife point how will you defend yourself and your family 3 you are a woman walking alone to your car or home a man appears suddenly with the intent to rape you how will you defend yourself are you strong enough to fight off your attacker are you willing to let this man rape you in order to survive the attack if the house and senate have their way we will soon not have the right to keep and bear arms as provided by the second amendment to the constitution a gun may not be the answer to each and every dangerous situation but are you going to let the politicians decide what sort of force or weapon you may use to defend yourself and your family many times a situation may be diffused by just brandishing your handgun if certain members of the house and senate have their way 25 32 and 9mm ammunition will be banned for sale to anyone other than the military and law enforcement departments very soon you may not be able to purchase ammunition for use in your handgun there is already a 15 day waiting period in california do you really feel that any law abiding citizen should be required to wait this amount of time for the purchase of a handgun when his life or family members have been threatened our local police do an excellent job but they can not be there all the time or in a moments notice you should have the right to protect yourself while waiting for help to arrive there is currently legislation circulating in washington that would prohibit the sale of certain types of ammuntion handguns rifles and shot guns one elected official even wants to repeal the second amendment i want to ask the readers of this paper what they would do if their elected officials decided that they should only belong to a certain church or go to church on a partiular day what if you were told that you could only read certain books write about certain subjects what if you no longer had the right to a jury of your peers how about the right to assemble in a peaceful manner these are all rights that are provided by our constitution and the amendments if we give up one right we may as well give them all up if you do not fight for the right to keep and bear arms what will you fight for when your life is affected write your law makers now protect all of your rights by defending your second amendment rights medicine re exercise and migraine in article 1993apr15 163133 25634 ntmtv janet ntmtv com janet jakstys writes the other day i played tennis during my lunch hour im out of tennis shape so it was very intense exercise i got overheated and dehydrated afterwards i noticed a tingling sensation all over my head then about 2 hours later i could feel a migraine start i continued to drink water in the afternoon i took cafergot but it didnt help and the pain started although it wasnt as intense as it usually is and about 9pm that night the pain subsided this isnt the first time that ive had a migraine occur after exercise im wondering if anyone else has had the same experience and i wonder what triggers the migraine in this situation heat buildup dehydration im not giving up tennis so is there anything i can do besides get into shape and dont play at high noon to prevent this hi janet sounds exactly like mine same circumstance same onset symptoms same cafergot uselessness same duration in fact of all the people i know who have migraines none have been so similar there is such a wide variation between people with respect to what causes their headaches that i generally dont bother sharing what ive learned about mine but since ours seem to be alike here are my observations i dont think its heat per se ive had more in winter than summer dehydration could conceivably figure though try tanking up before playing rather than after being in shape doesnt seem to help me much either ive identified four factors that do make a difference listed in descending order of importance 1 heavy exercise 2 sleep deprivation 3 fasting e g skipped breakfast 4 physical trauma e g head bonk heavy exercise has preceded all of my post adolescent migraines but i dont get migraines after every heavy exercise session one or more of the other factors must be present usually 2 since i discovered this ive been nearly migraine free relapsing only once every two or three years when i get cocky its been so long maybe i just dont get them anymore and stop being careful hope this is helpful john medicine mystery illness with eye problems a friend has the following symptoms which have occurred periodically every few months for the last 3 years an episode begins with extreme tiredness followed by 1 traveling joint pains and stiffness affecting mostly the elbows knees and hips 2 generalized muscle pains 3 tinnitus and a feeling of pressure in her ears 4 severe sweating occuring both at night and during the day 5 hemorrhaging in both eyes her opthamologist calls it peripheral retinal hemorhages and says it looks similar to diabetic retinopathy she isnt diabetic they checked 6 distorted color vision and distorted vision in general telephone poles do not appear to be straight 7 loss of peripheral vision many tests have been run and all are normal except for something called unidentified bright objects found on a mri of her brain the only thing that seems to alleviate one of these episodes is prednisone at times she had been on 60 mg per day whenever she gets down to 10 15 mg the symptoms become acute again she is quite concerned because the retinal hemorrhages are becoming worse with each episode and her vision is suffering none of the docs she has seen have any idea what this condition is or what can be done to stop it any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated thanks in advance kathy turner guns re bill blame america first clinton strikes again in article 12741 news duke edu eyc acpub duke edu emil chuck writes this argument sounds very stupid if the ability to make guns from simple metalworking was easy then drug dealers would make their own wouldnt they they do according the the los angeles police department illegal manufacture is one the three primary sources of machine guns and submachine guns used in crimes sumggling and theft from the police and military being the other two washington d c police have stated that 40 if im remembering the figure correctly of the guns they conficate were illegally built why spend hundreds of dollars buying a gun that somebody else made cheap and is selling it to you at an exorbitant markup it takes about 6 hours and a few tools to make one at least one of reasonable quality unless the drug dealer enjoyes messing around on a lathe say as a hobby hes going to have to pay someone anyway materials plus six hours of a machinists time for something legal would run about 100 the blackmarket prices for guns are usually in the 50 to 200 range at least those few ive seen cited in newspaper articles were the simple truth of the matter is that regardless of how easy it is to make guns banning guns will reduce the the number of new guns and seriuosly impede the efforts of a killer intent on buying a weapon washington d c has a total ban on handguns and prohibits assembled rifles within city limits its homicide rate is almost ten times the national average it is also illegal for a d c resident to drive to the virginia or maryland suburbs and buy a gun dealers are required by federal law to check ids and make sure the buyer isnt from another state so the ban can not be easily side stepped to show why the tools argument is the silliest i have ever seen take an analogy from computer science almost every computer science major can write a wordprocessor yet we comp sci majors would willingly pay 3 to 400 bucks for a professional software like wordperfect why dont we just all write our own software because it is highly inconvinient sure but it you couldnt buy one you would write your own in fact people did write their own 15 years ago more likely you would find a friend who was a particularly good programer and get him give you a copy of his software is a very bad example for your case how many people do you know with illegal copies of 400 word processors if people want something and it isnt available or affordable legally they will usually get it illegally same with guns quite secondly how does one get this gunpowder for the home made gun 13 3 2 the formula has been around for half a million years or are you going to restrict sales of sulpher charcoal and saltpeter thats alot cruder than modern smokless powder but it works very well the only real problems are a 25 reduction in energy so a 357 magnum would only be as deadly as a 9mm and it makes alot more smoke of course a smart black marketeer could just make the gun in 9mm and steal the ammunition from the police the police are often corruptable and things are known to disappear from police evidence rooms and armories and reappear on the streets if guns were really that simple to make the bosnian muslims would be very happy people or is it the case that metalworking tools are banned in bosnia deep sarcasm perhaps you werent watching the news two years ago but the serbs also tried to invade slovinia they were driven out after a few weeks by partisans armed with home made anti tank weapons the afghan rebels frequently made their own rifles frank crary cu boulder cars honda new car info from kay hondas helpful hints about your honda infromation sheet given to new owners of honda vehicles a burning smell may be evident from your new car shortly after taking delivery i now own a fire extinguisher on prelude s mels at temperatures above 32 degrees push the accelerator pedal to the floor one time release slowly and with your foot off the accelerator crank the engine until it starts moe than 5 seconds my note of cranking may be required in temperatures below 32 degrees the accelerator will have to be depressed 2 3 times door panels and interior trim can be damaged if they are not buckled by getting caught when closing doors when shifting accord automatic transmissions from park neutral or reverse into drive the transmission shifts into 3rd gear in case of towing 1 start the engine 2 shift into drive from park then from drive to neutral 3 turn off engine what if you are getting towed b c engine wont run if engine does not run do not use this procedure phew i was worried insert smilies where appropriate though this is real jonathan jdrout scott skidmore edu skidmore college saratoga ny 93 civic si aftermarket fogs if you own one you understand religion re merlin mithras and magick what an exciting thread finally mitra is sanskrit for friend as such he started out as an avatar of lord visnu mentioned first in the vedas later he seems to have risen to chief prominence worshipped by the persians associated with the sun but not the sun he is the lord of contract honor and obedience therefore naturally worshipped by soldiers he was ordered by the sun to slay the bull of heaven and he reluct antly agreed because of his obligation the blood of that bull spilled and grew all earth life then mitra and the sun sat down to eat worship of lord mitra ended in persia with the ascension of the zoroastrians hundreds of years later he was rediscovered and thrown into the official roman pantheon tm for some semi tricky reason i forget why but all references of him ended abruptly when he was stricken from same so apparently his worship was some sort of vehicle for advancement in the bureaucracy like membership in the communist party was in the soviet bloc the sociology of religion in ancient times is fascinating oh his b day was 25 dec ahem i am not sure if the mystery cult really lasted after his was booted from the roman imperial god roster or what it contained mostly soldiers with 7 levels of initiation they worshipped underground in caverns in pews the bull horns in those temples were for scaring away or impaling evil spirits im not sure that they had mithraic significance or not i dont know that the ritual meal was of a cannibalistic nature as is the christian masses but eating deities goes way back to old kingdom egypt someone mentioned bullfighting did mithraists sacrifice bulls i forget more likely for a religious source might be the shower of bulls blood enjoyed by the worshippers of cybele on the day of blood cybele worship extended all throughout even up to france bigtime charles hope a54si cunyvm a54si cunyvm cuny edu government by reporters media ocracy baseball seeking all star game info ok ok ok first my apologies for perhaps being untimely with this subject material and perhaps overly optimistic in my request but here goes anyhow im very interested in finding out how i might be able to get two tickets for the all star game in baltimore this year my very aged folks live about 50 miles away and i know it would be a great thing for them to attend the game i went with them and my grandfather who got me into baseball as a small child to the all star game in dc many years ago although im now in the sf bay area id love to be able to treat my folks to this game its absolutely the last chance theyd ever have to attend this g ame locally any info would be greatly appreciated mary cole mcole informix com medicine re info colonics and purification colonics were a health fad of the 19th century which persists to this day except for certain medical conditions there is no reason to do this certainly no normal person should do this frequent use of enemas can lead to a condition in which a person is unable to have normal bowel passage essentially a person becomes addicted to enemas as i understand it this is a very unpleasant condition and it would be best to avoid it guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors speaking of the sick bastard i noticed he attends kent state university i guess we have come full circle here someone from kent favoring excessive force by the govenment to subdue polically incorrect thinking jim shirreffs i speak for myself and only myself guns re what to do if you shoot somebody be as cooperative with the police as possible show them where you were repeat your information as often as requested they will often ask you the same questions over and over to verify facts and unfortunately to see if your lying fill out all statements and show all required identification and weapon permits booo down with registered citizens register your politicians as deadly tax weapons needing to be confiscated if they are required in your state contact a lawyer immediately if they decide to this would have to be a call you are not required to say anything until you have a lawyer present and not saying anything until such time is not to be construed as derogatory to your cause anything you do say can later be used against you you will be talking to the police the same people who will be gathering evidence for the prosecutor to use against you guns cop kills teenager ok heres something for all of those people who think cops are always more responsible then the rest of the population i found this article in the rocky mountain collegian colorado state universitys newspaper suspended police officer arrested in revenge triple homicide providence r i ap a police officer afraid he would be fired for allegedly assaulting a teen ager walked into an auto body shop wher the youth worked said youre going to die and fatally shot him and two others police said a fourth youth was wounded a fifth escaped injury by hiding under a car the wounded youth ran about two blocks to a house after the shooting at about midnight tuesday and called police he was hospitalized in satisfactory condition wednesday suspended police officer robert sabetta 23 of cranston was arrested at gunpoint over three hours after the shooting at wilsons auto enterprises in foster a rural town of about 4 000 people in northwest rhode island well this just goes to show that cops are capable of snapping just like everyone else now who was it who said only cops should have guns doug holland windows re diamond ss 24x has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this card is only in windows i have replaced card and am waiting on latest drivers also have experienced general protection fault errors in wspdpsf drv on winword tools option menu and in winfax setup i had a ati ultra but was getting genral protection fault errors in an spss application these card manufactures must have terrible quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs what a hassle running on gateway 2000 dx2 50 thx dave l i have used both version 1 17 drivers for win 3 1 and the new 2 03 drivers i have had none of these problems no gpfs at all i have a feeling that your problems are not with the card or drivers the ati ultra drivers are considered some of the most reliable on the market and the ss 24x ones seem quite good as well maybe you should check bios problems in your gateway i know a few people with gateway dx2s and all of them have found some problem or other with compatibility especially with graphics the only gpfs i have ever had can be directly attributable to using abusing applications i even got the newest drivers from diamond when people started complaining i still only have one small problem with them and it is that the hardware cursor is slightly jumpy during writes reads to the swap file greg bishop guns re guns gone good riddance jrm gnv ifas ufl edu wrote you are loosing there is no question about it of those who vote your cause is considered an abomination no matter how hard you try public opinion is set against the rkba care to show some real numbers instead of something hci make up i thought so all foaming at the mouth shouting but nothing is ever said this is the end by the finish of the clinton administration your rkba will be null and void tough titty well well just have to wait and see about that wont we or are you quite satisified with living in your little fantasy snip cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause there is nothing you snip the press is against you the public the voting public is against you the flow of history is against you this is it not true it is only those who are ignorant and are afraid to understand accept and deal with the real problems behind this violent society who are proposing gun control as a band aid solution may be i should refresh your memory with a quote from prez clintion its the criminals stupid hey why is he cutting the budget for more prisons may be someone need to remind him of what he promised on second thought why bother surrender your arms soon enough officers will be around to collect them resistance is useless they will overwhelm you one at a time your neighbors will not help you they will consider you more if an immediate threat than the abstract criminal oooh waco ii coming to your living room soon when was the last time you turned off your tv cant remember i thought so too fucking bad you have gone the way of the kkk violent solutions are passe avoid situations which encourage criminals then you will be as safe as possible such as it is wait i got it this is a late april fool post right i didnt think anybody is stupid enough to post something like this good one guys this group was getting boring without holly and susan francis chiu professional student programmer tax payer cars re alarm systems are they worthwhile talking about car alarms there are certain cars in this country that are only insurable if they are fitted with a vecta alarm were talking coswoths and porsches and stuff just before they the insurance companies decided to make this move they insisted that the car be fitted with a scorpion alarm now theyve changed to the vecta so everyone whos spent on fitting the scorpion alarm have founbd themselves having to upgrade to the vecta system sad huh shaz windows re winfax files in ascii format in zhao 93may14123957 sparta nmsu edu zhao nmsu edu z zhao writes currently we are using winfax software to receive send fax on our pcs it works pretty well the problem is that all received files are in bit map format which take lots of hd space i have been told there is some programs that can do pattern recognition of the raster characters in fax in files and translate them into ascii code then store the file in ascii format would you like to tell me 1 whether or not there is such software package to do such translation 2 if there is one where can i find it 3 is any such software package on public domain what version of winfax do you have the newest version 3 0 has an ocr optical character recognition built in what this means is that it can take a fax ie a letter and convert it into ascii so that one can edit the document w o re typing it however i found that the ocr that comes packaged with winfax does not work as well as omnipage professional also by delrina software so once again winfax ver 3 0 has what you are looking for good luck regards zizi windows for sale borland c w application frameworks 3 1 please excuse me if this is inappropriate to post here but i do not read these groups normally and i did not see any pc related marketplace newsgroups for sale borland c with application frameworks 3 1 full professional developer kit borland c programming package including unopened software unopened manuals and registration card software includes 1 still plastic wrapped high density 5 25 inch disks for borland c total of 18 diskettes in 2 individually wrapped packages each disk has borland c and bc app frameworks 3 1 on label 2 amish system utilities for windows one 5 25 high density disk amish launch amish desk utilities for windows 3 phar laps 286 dos extender lite version 2 5 one 5 25 hd disk manuals include 1 still plastic wrapped manuals include i e unopened a boland windows api volumes i reference guide ii reference guide iii windows 3 1 reference guide b borland turbo debugger 3 0 users guide c borland turbo profiler 3 0 users guide d borland turbo assembler 3 0 users guide e borland c 3 1 users guide integrated environment optimization command line compiler installation f borland c 3 1 programmers guide language structure class libraries advanced prgramming techniques anci c implementaion g borland c 3 1 library reference runtime library global variables cross reference h borland c 3 1 tools and utilities guide error messages winsightm make help resource compilers tlink i borland object windows for c users guide tutorials class reference 2 opened no plastic wrapping but unread manuals include a borland turbo assembler 3 0 quick reference guide b borland turbo vision for c users guide c borland resource workshop users guide this package was purchased by a former employee of my fathers and my father has asked me to try and sell it since neither of us have any use for it retails for 749 most software houses have it for approx 480 i am asking 400 if you are interested please e mail me directly because i do not normally read this newsgroup aaron herskowitz aherskow alleg edu allegheny college meadville pennsylvania cars re mercury villager minivan good buy i came across this interesting information in my local public library while researching minivans it is the dealer price and the retail price for a minivan i am thinking about purchasing someone told me that the number for base price was slightly lower than the current price but this should still give you some idea about pricing and how much you can negotiate mercury villager gs dealer retail base price 14688 16504 air conditioning 729 857 rear defroster 143 168 calif emissions 87 102 7 passenger seating 282 332 am fm radio no cassette std std automatic transmission std std anti lock brakes std std destination 540 540 the total dealer cost is 16469 the total retail price is 18467 nissan quest xe dealer retail base price 15212 17545 air conditioning std std rear defroster std std calif emissions 59 70 7 passenger seating std std am fm cassette std std automatic transmission std std anti lock brakes 593 700 destination 540 540 the total dealer cost is 16404 the total retail price is 18855 cars re saturns pricing policy in article 1qn19m c9s vela acs oakland edu mje pookie pass wayne edu writes i just ordered a saturn sl1 after considering a few imports frankly the saturn stuff deleted saturn also has a good extended warranty program 675 for 6 year 60k miles fully refunded if you dont use it that works out to an actual cost of 170 or so based on the 6 year treasury rates using savings account rates its more like 120 in the first three years it also buys you free rental during any warranty work without counting against the refund mike in general extended warranties are a ripoff this 6yr 60k is really only 3yr 24k because you get the 3yr 36k one free with the car also is there perhaps a deductible you pay each and every time you use the warranty also are certain items excluded from coverage on the extended warranty and if you use it at year 4 for some 60 buck job and pay a 50 deduct and then you have used it so no refund ever again extended warranties are ripoff high profit items for the dealer guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article 1r19tp 5em bigboote wpi edu mfrhein wpi wpi edu michael frederick rhein writes in article 93109 13404334aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes i will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors but here goes in short mr gorman i am assuming mr as a title because i dont think a woman would be stupid enough to make this post i dont know what episode of cnn you what an incrediblt sexist remark come now mike what ever possessed you to make such a un pc remark i hope all women out there reading this are as incensed as i am remember woman are just as good as men women stand up for your right to be just as stupid as men in fact insist on every oppurtunity to be even more stupid than men youve got the right use it hey its a slow afternoon and i really dont want to get back to that report btw mega smileys for the humor impaired karl baseball advertised commercialized to death during the local rockies broadcast the other day don baylor went out to bring in a relief pitcher and a graphic came up on the screen that it was the so and so sponsored pitching change i saw another game where the pinch hitter was sponsored at other times during the game rockies announcer duane kuiper was setting up the strategy that the defense might use with the expectation that charlie jones would jump in and discuss the situation but what does charlie do he reads a beer advertisement and leaves duane hanging duanes strategy proved prophetic these examples happen over and over on radio and t v braodcasts making them sometimes very boring to listen to i guess its just a matter of time before a player sells his name to budweiser nike etc i dont think it will be long until we hear nike budweiser drills it deep to left field chevrolet goes back back its gone the apple macintoshes formerly the boston red sox are the 1998 world champions back to work anthony m jivoin national center for atmospheric research rsf atd fl1 p o box 3000 boulder co 80307 p s rockies fans have the brooms ready for the marlins this weekend religion re merlin mithras and magick in article pegasus 200493113800 fp1 dialin 1 uoregon edu pegasus aaa uoregon edu pegasus writes in article joshua 93apr19183833 bailey cpac washington edu joshua cpac washington edu joshua geller wrote in article pegasus 150493132018 fp1 dialin 4 uoregon edu pegasus aaa uoregon edu laurieewbrandt writes lewb lets add to those percentages 13 15 for the orphaic docterians brought lewb to the group by paul saul who was a high ranking initiate on the lewb development of orphaic mysteries see jane harrisons prolegomena to the lewb study of greek religion cambridge u press 1922 and you can easly draw lewb your own conclusions josh perhaps you can quote just a bit of her argument love to but i must do it a bit later my copy of harrison in packed but the last chapter as best as i can rember deals with orphic mysteries and their views of women though she does not come out and say it it is strongly implyed that the christian view was drawn heavly from the orphic and other major cults of the time i would really appreciate if when someone brought something like this up they didnt back out when someone asked for details have a day josh cars re changing oil by self in rec autos boyle cactus org craig boyle writes xin article 1qgi8einnhs5 skeena ucs ubc ca yiklam unixg ubc ca yik chong lam x writes x hello x x does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine x compartment should i turn clockwise or counter i tried any kind x of lubricants wd 40 etc but i still failed x do you think i can use a electric drill change to a suitable x bit to turn it out if i can succeed can i re tighten it not too x tight is it safe without oil leak x xassuming you dont have a russian car with opposite threads then xyou turn counterclockwise i would get some professional xhelp here you may not have located the draing plug and xactually be trying to loosen something else x xcraig x x x thank you very much in advance winson x this reminds me of the first time my cousin did an oil change on his car he crawled under removed a bolt drained the fluid replaced the bolt then carefully poured in 5 quarts of oil didnt bother to check the dip stick just drove off didnt get too far till me found out that hed drained the 4 speed trans and dumped an extra 5 quarts into the engine moral as craig said dont be ashamed to get some in person help the first time mack costello mcostell oasys dt navy mil code 65 1 formerly 1720 1 david taylor model basin carderock division hq nswc bethesda md 20084 5000 phone 301 227 2431 windows re utility for updating win ini and system ini in article 1993apr20 085638 29338 news uit no sp odin nosubdomain nodomain svein pedersen writes i nead a utility for updating deleting adding changing ini files for windows do i find it on any ftp host svein unless i am completely misunderstanding you try using either notepad or sysedit exe found in your system subdirectory to edit you ini files the sysedit exe program is cool because it automatically opens you win ini system ini autoexec bat and config sys files to be edited drewster am37 kimbark uchicago edu medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr15 153729 13738 walter bellcore com jchen ctt bellcore com writes chinese and many other asians japanese koreans etc have used msg as flavor enhancer for two thousand years do you believe that they knew how to make msg from chemical processes not they just extracted it from natural food such sea food and meat broth and to add further fuel to the flame war i read about 20 years ago that the natural msg extracted from the sources you mention above does not cause the reported aftereffects its only that nasty artificial msg extracted from coal tar or whatever that causes chinese restaurant syndrome i find this pretty hard to believe has anyone else heard it andrew guns re waco shootout highlights total irresponsibility of the im not sure were this thread has been before i popped in but ive never thought of waiting periods as having anything to do with training or competence i just cant imagin any valid reason for having a gun that cant wait a few days i can think of plenty of bad reasons for not wanting a waiting period i want to buy a gun and kill so and so right now ive crossed the state line to buy a gun illegally and i cant afford to spend the night here etc im not a big fan of guns but i feel that it is important to guard americans rights to own them on the other hand we license and regulate many things without seriously impeding anyones constitutional rights carl guns re cnn for sale in article c5somx hmd boi hp com kde boi hp com keith emmen writes if anyone is keeping a list of the potential contributors you can put me down for 1000 00 under the conditions above seems to me folks that if you are so interested in acquiring cnn just buy your 1000 worth of stock today its being traded everyday after you own your piece we can work on the proxy votes later its probably even a good investment chuck harris wa3uqv chuck eng umd edu medicine re candida yeast bloom fact or fiction in article 1rjifg bgm hsdndev harvard edu rind enterprise bih harvard edu david rind writes in article 1993apr26 174538 1 vms ocom okstate edu banschbach vms ocom okstate edu writes oxygen just like it does in the vagina as much stuff as there is in the lay press about l acidophilus and vaginal yeast infections im really amazed that someone has not done a clinical trial yet to check it out ive mentioned this study a couple of times now ingestion of yogurt containing lactobacillus acidophilus as prophylaxis for candidal vaginitis annals of internal medicine 3 1 92 116 5 353 7 do you have a problem with the study because they used yogurt rather than capsules of lactobacillus even though it had positive results the study was a crossover trial of daily ingestion of 8 ounces of yogurt there was a marked decrease in infections while women were ingesting the yogurt problems with the study included very small numbers 33 patients enrolled and many protocol violations only 21 patients were analyzed still the difference in rates of infection between the two groups was so large that the study remains fairly believable david rind david this study looks like a good one gordon rubenfeld did a medline search and also sent me the same reference through e mail since commercial yogurt does not always have a good lactobacillus a or bulgaricus culture a negative finding would not have been too informative this is often the reason why lactobacillus acidophilus tablets are recommended rather than yogurt i guess the next question is why would this introduction of good bacteria back into the gut decrease the incidence of vaginal candida blooms if the anus was not serving as a candida reservoir a fact that gordon r vehementy denys i see two possible theories one the l acidophilus which is a facultatively anaerobic bacterium could make it through the gut and colonize the rectal area to overgrow the candida this would not explain the reoccurance of candida blooms in the vagina after the yogurt ingestion was stopped though the other is that the additional bacteria in the intestinal tract remove most of the glucose from the feces and candida looses its major food source getting lactobacillus acidophilus to colonize the vaginal tract where it is normally found would have a much better effect on the recurrance of vaginal yeast blooms though an acetic acid lactobacillus acidophilus douche has been used to get this effect but ive not seen any such treatment reported in the medical literature this would be an example of physicians conducting their own clinical trials to try to come up with treatments that help their patients when this is done in private practice the results are rarely if ever published it was the hallmark of medicine until the modern age emerged with clinical trials it really raises a big question does the medical profession cast out the adventerous few who try new treatments to help patients or does it look the other way this particular issue is really a very simple one since no real dangerous therapy is involved even the anti fungals are not all that dangerous but there are some areas like edta chelation therapy where the fire is pretty hot and somebody could get burned its really tough do i follow only well established protocols and then give up if they dont work that well or do it try something that looks like it will work but hasnt been proven to work yet my stand is to consider other treatment possibilities especially if they involve little or no risk to the patient getting good bacteria back into the gut after antibiotic treatment is one treatment possibility the other is getting l acidophilus into the vaginal tract of a woman who is having a problem with recurring yeast infections marty b cars re new break pads exhausts after 96k km 60k mi on 90 maxima in article 1993apr16 000601 14223 jarvis csri toronto edu rkim eecg toronto edu ryan kim writes hi maybe someone can help me here i am looking to buy this 1990 nissan maxima gxe for cdn 14000 right now so its an automatic dont know if us spec cdn spec for maximas the car has 96000 km or about 60000 miles on it a typical mileage for 1990 cars seem to be about 70000 km or about 43k mi the seller just informed me that when he brought the car in for certification he was told that the front break pads and the exhausts had to be replaced to meet the legal standards he said he will replace the components before selling the car to me being copmletely ignorant to the technical stuff on cars i dont know what this could mean is 96k km about the time typical for replacing the above mentioned items or is this an indication that the car was abused if it is the first set of brake pads on front then this is fine my car eats a set every 15k miles or so the fact that he is replacing the muffler too is also ok would other things break down or have to be replaced soon the mileage is fairly low but typical fwd stuff is cv joints check the maintenance records with the manufacturers requirements for valve adjustments timing belt changes and so on the 60k mile service is often expensive so make sure he has done everything the seller told me that he used the car on the highway a lot but i dont know how to verify this ive seen the paint chipped away in tiny dots in the front edge of the hood though well this is one of the commonly cited methods for identifying a car with highway miles might check the gas pedal wear too ask him how many sets of tires he has been through a highway car might have squeezed by on 2 sets a hard driven car 6 10 sets although the maxima is an excellent car and the car is very clean and well kept its currently out of warranty a similarly priced 90 accord with 70k km will have 2 years or 30k km worth of warranty left and i dont want to worry about paying for any repair bills well the maxima should be pretty reliable but if its out of warranty you should get it checked out by someone knowledgeable first stuff for japanese cars can be expensive but i also need a car for 5 people when will the new maxima come out by the way 1995 model year i believe i would very much appreciate your input in this please reply by e mail preferred or post in this newsgroup craig thanks ryan ryan kim university of toronto eecg computer graphics rkim eecg toronto edu do not weave between traffic cones at road works from the new british highway code toronto star april 3 1993 religion re disillusioned protestant finds christ john w redelfs cj195 cleveland freenet edu wrote i am a mormon i believe in christ that he is alive he raised himself text deleted i learned that the concept of the holy trinity was never taught by jesus christ that it was agreed to by a council of clergymen long after christ was ascended men who had no authority to speak for him if jesus never taught the concept of the trinity how do you deal with the following mat 28 18 then jesus came to them and said all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me mat 28 19 therefore go and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit mat 28 20 and teaching them to obey everything i have commanded you and surely i am with you always to the very end of the age also jesus speaking act 1 5 for john baptized with water but in a few days you will be baptized with the holy spirit i believe that you may have overlooked some key verses that are crucial to the christian faith jim burrill jburrill boi hp com medicine ovarian cancer treatment centers a relative of mine has recently been diagnosed with stage 3 papillary cell ovarian cancer we are urgently seeking the best place in the country for treatment for this does anyone have any suggestions as you might suspect time is of the essence thanks for your help bob windows ftp tool for windows is there any one know what is the ftp tool for windows and where to get the tool thanks for any help h j 1993 4 19 windows dmqs files for xga 2 was re catseye x xga 2 extra modes note the followups are set to comp os os2 misc dmqs files describe monitors and valid modes to be used by the xga 2 under both windows and os 2 these files are unsupported ibm has nothing to do with these files or this post its personal this time and every time i post see the signature due to demand and requests here are some additional dmqs files ive collected for the xga 2 these files function with the latest revision of the drivers for the xga 2 not all these files will work under windows with the drivers available to the general public at this time all files will function under the most recent os 2 2 1 beta and those ive tried have worked under os 2 2 0 sp not all files have been fully tested these files are unsupported they represent a personal collection not anything resembling an officially supported set as a standard disclaimer i would like to point out the following facts 1 some of these files may run your adapter out of spec doing so can stress the ics on the card and may result in incorrect operation or in shorter life how short depends on how much out of spec boom 2 some of these files may run your adapter in a region that is out of spec for your monitor resulting in damage to your monitor 3 you should be knowledgable about your monitor and adapters ability to use the mode you select using these files represents hacking in a very true sense so practice safe computing and dont play around too much if you dont like the risks and arent knowledgable about what youre doing 4 if you feel uncomfortable with all the warnings use the dmqs files you have or wait until ibm releases official tested dmqs files although you should be aware of warning 2 even with the ibm files these files are unsupported by using them you may invalidate your warrenty not all have been fully tested i dont have that many monitors installation unpack in your dmqspath environment variable usually c xga dmqs then use the methods described in your xga 2 installation diskette to change your adapter or settings packing these files have been packed with the latest infozip utility you will need pkzip 2 x if you dont have the infozip utilities submitting feel free to send me uuencoded versions of your favorite dmqs files for your favorite monitors im always interested in collecting more archive these files have been uploaded to ftp os2 nmsu edu in pub uploads xga2dmqs zip begin 644 xga2dmqs zip m4 l 0 i eqj 0 0bn 4 f5a9 ue38 l 3o m o 2r 4 cwu i e1vy7a o jt6hs g 0 t s7 3z jthk md ag3gbd 4 c 7y 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6 n 8p m9byd9w 02p 4 0i yaexyv j p m i 6 n9c5f92yd9w 02p 4 0i 3 f7g0 x m p p 6 n9c5f82yd9w 02p 4 0i m m0h 0 b p 6 n 3 q yd9w 02p m 4 0i jeo b p p 6 n m 3 q 2yd9w 02p 4 0i 0 b p m 70 6 n 3 q byd9w 02p 4 0i t t7k b m p t10 6 n 3 q ryd9w 02p 4 m0i 3 o b p 02 6 n 3 r yd9w 0 m2p 4 0i r qt b p k2p a 6 n 3 r 2yd9w 02p4 l p 0 tx end dick kaul my opinions only not official ibm positions offers ibm visual subsystems data or anything else if i were to speak for ibm boca raton fl theyd make me wear a suit kaul vnet ibm com beware of programmers carrying screwdrivers religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 i had said merlyn you missed the point too christianity is a relationship i have a relationship with my god i know him consider your mother merlyn you know your mother what would you think of me if i asserted that your mother is 9 feet tall murdered your father and sexually abused you when you were a kid would you who knows your mother well think was a blind arrogant idiot to proclaim such things merlyn leroy says this analogy is not good for example there are plenty of people who know god as well as you do but dont agree on things like 1 how many children he she has 2 whether he she approves of polygamy 3 whether mohammed was one of his her prophets now if you and all these other people who absolutely know what god is like cant agree on basic attributes like these at least one of you who knows what this god thing is like must be wrong therefore subjective certainty is worthless regarding knowledge of this god on the other hand i dont know any large groups of people who claim absolute knowledge of my mother and who disagree about her basic attributes this is the difference between real people and imaginary friends meryln therefore by your logic since your people disagree about the characteristics of your mother you mother must be imaginary cars information needed hi this is my first time to post on this news group now a days i have stucked at a certain problem i have 88 mazda mx 6 non turbo fuel injection there is a engine warning signal on the dash board while driving this signal turns on but not always what does this mean in the manual they say go to authorized mazda dealer it is really good idea dont you think so i wanna know how the engine warning signal comes is anybody out there who can give me same advice as authorized mazda dealer can give youjip won yjwon cs umn edu medicine re analgesics with diuretics on tue 6 apr 1993 03 28 57 gmt dyer spdcc com steve dyer said in article ofk lve00wb2avukto andrew cmu edu lawrence curcio lc2b andrew cmu edu writes i sometimes see otc preparations for muscle aches back aches that combine aspirin with a diuretic you certainly do not see otc preparations advertised as such the only such ridiculous concoctions are nostrums for premenstrual syndrome ostensibly to treat headache and bloating simultaneously theyre worthless the idea seems to be to reduce inflammation by getting rid of fluid does this actually work thats not the idea and no they dont work i believe there is a known synergism between certain analgesics and caffiene for treating pain not inflammation now that i am an ibuprofen convert i havent taken it for some time but excedrin really works grin nathan steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer bb nathan chemres tn cornell edu bbbbb p p guns re ax the atf in article 1r1173innajc cronkite central sun com dbernard clesun central sun com writes even if it were a capital offense the warrant was not even an arrest warrant but a search warrant in other words there was no evidence of illegal arms just enough of a suggestion to get a judge to sign a license to search for illegal evidence its hard to know what who to believe however the letter i received from the batf in response to one i sent to bentsen said that there was a search warrant and an arrest warrant don cars re plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences daubendr nextwork rose hulman edu darren r daubenspeck writes they are pretty much junk stay away from them they will be replaced next year with all new models junk theyve made the c d lists for years due to their excellent handling and acceleration they have been around since about oh 85 or 86 so theyre not the newest on the lot and mileage is about five to eight mpg under the class leader you can get into a 3 0 l v 6 141 hp shadow for 10 11k the i 4 turbo a bit more and a droptop for 14 15k as an ex fleet mgr of 3000 cars they were amoung the most trouble free of all models i bought one for my wife religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 in article f1vmpxk quack kfu com pharvey quack kfu com paul harvey writes in article bskendigc5h4o3 d5p netcom com bskendig netcom com brian kendig writes psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu robert weiss writes but if we walk in the light as he is in the light we have fellowship one with another and the blood of jesus christ his son cleanseth us from all sin it can not be a light which cleanses if it is tainted with the blood of an innocent man human blood sacrifice martyrdom of an innocent virgin nailed to a wooden pole what is this obsession with male menstruation christian washed in the blood of the lamb mithraist washed in the blood of the bull if anyone in netland is in the process of devising a new religion do not use the lamb or the bull because they have already been reserved please choose another animal preferably one not on the endangered species list thank you medicine annual inguinal hernia repair last year i was totally surprised when my annual physical disclosed an inguinal hernia i couldnt remember doing anything that would have caused it that is i hadnt been lifting more than other people do and in fact probably somewhat less eventually the thing became more painful and i had the repair operation this year i developed a pain on the other side this turned out to be another inguinal hernia so i go back to the hospital monday for another fun 8 operation i dont know of anything im doing to cause this to happen im 38 years old and i dont think im old enough for things to start falling apart like this the surgeon who is doing the operation seems to suspect a congenital weakness but if so why did it suddenly appear when i was 37 and not really as active as i was when i was younger does anyone know how to prevent a hernia other than not lifting anything its rare that i lift more than my 16 month old or a sack full of groceries and you may have noticed that your typical grocery sack is fairly small these days is there some sort of exercise that will reduce the risk of course my wife thinks its from sitting for long periods of time at the computer reading news j porter clark jpc avdms8 msfc nasa gov or jpc gaia msfc nasa gov nasa msfc flight data systems branch cars which radar detector should i buy i just entered the market for a radar detector and am looking for any all advice recommendations warnings etc from anyone in this group email is preferred thanks windows re challenge to microsoft supporters mike dahmus mike schleppo bocaraton ibm com wrote yes a lot of what os 2 2 0 has in common with os 2 1 x was written by you guys however many of the things that made os 2 2 0 so much more successful win os 2 workplace shell than previous versions were ibm work win os 2 is ibm work you make me laugh re writing couple of thousands lines of code to make windows compatible with your dpmi implementation does not make the rest of windows ibm work serge p baseball re why is barry bonds not batting 4th timothy cree timothy lamar colostate edu wrote in article 1993apr22 192035 23822 hpcvaac cv hp com paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen writes in article 1993apr21 032427 22464 leland stanford edu punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi writes 2 having bonds batting behind williams means that matt will get more good pitches to hit this is important since he struggles so much with breaking balls opposing pitchers dont want to walk williams to get to bonds i have to wonder if this good hitter behind you argument is really valid has anyone done a study on this you want a study look at matt williams the year after mitchell was gone look no further not a scientific study but itll show the truth for matt besides bonds wants to bat 5th i had thought that williams batted after mitchell wouldnt that show that williams does better at 5th rather than 4th the point is moot though becase clark pretty much demands to be 3rd and like you point out bonds does like to bat 5th the only person left to bat 4th is williams mike west west esd dl nec com cars re toyota land cruiser worth it my wife and i looked at and drove one last fall this was a 1992 model it was wayyyyyyyyy underpowered i could not imagine driving it in the mountains here in colorado at anything approaching highway speeds i have read that the new 1993 models have a newer improved hp engine im quite serious that i laughed in the salesman face when he said once its broken in it will feel more powerful i had been used to driving a jeep 4 0l 190hp engine i believe the 92s land cruisers land yachts were 3 0l the sames as the 4runner which is also underpowered in my own personal opinion they are big cars very roomy but nothing spectacular tom vervaeke email tvervaek cs itc hp com hewlett packard co phone 719 590 2133 i love animals they taste delicious medicine muscle spasms post surgically i had ankle reconstruction grafting the extensor digitorum longus to the lateral side of the ankle along with a video arthroscopy of the ankle interesting to watch to say the least since then i have had periodic muscle spasms not cramping but twitching that is very fast in some of the muscle groups along the lateral side and along the top of my foot tx with quinine sulfate produced ringing in my ears but did help with the spasms i am on flexeril now but no discernable help with the spasms any ideas one thing i am in a short leg cast so heat is not the answer renee roberts medicine re feverfew for migraines brenda bowden brenda bookhouse eng sun com wrote does anyone know about these studies or have experience with feverfew i keep an accurate log of my migraine attack frequency feverfew didnt seem to do anything for me however eliminating caffeine seems to pre vent the onset of migraine in my case in other words no caffeine no migraines don montgomery donrm sr hp com guns re fbi directors statement on waco standoff mr nice guy rcanders nyx cs du edu wrote the branch davidians were not violent and were not planning to start violence when the bd compound was assaulted by the atf the bd did fire back but they agreed to a cease fire and they allowed the atf to care for their wounded the bd even released the atf agents they captured it is clear from the release of the agents and allowing the atf medical attention that the bd were not looking for trouble this is the first ive heard of the bd capturing and releasing atf agents is there any more info about this rob p guns re cost benefit analysis was fbi directors statement has anyone noticed or commented on the fact that so many of those who were willing nay demanding that we wait forever for mr hussein and iraq that we use tremendously costly sanctions to avoid a loss of life are now at the fore front of those clammoring that we should have smashed those religious radicals and we were wasting money allowing this stand off to go on how the worm turns when the sect changes windows re nt questions in article 5802 news yale edu adriene nazaretian qm yale edu adriene nazaretian writes in article 1993mar26 020427 29119 samba oit unc edu tclark med unc edu thomas b clark says 2 is the driver support as seamless as program support e g will my soundblaster scanner cd rom tape backup continue to work even if there are no specific nt drivers there is a hardware compatibility guide to answer these questions there are many drivers for cd rom and there are midi and other sound drivers installed i dont do a lot with sound digitizing on this platform but recall seeing items for their configuration in the control panel applet there is built in support for tape backup systems as well my problem i wasnt aware of the fact that i would need an scsi cd rom for windows nt when ordering the beta sdk package so my question is there any driver available that will allow me to use my mitsumi non scsi cd rom for installation if there is one from which place ftp site can i get it many thanks in advance stefan kuehnel stefan k uhnel kuehnel rvs uni hannover de kuehnel swl uni hannover de neu ab 17 04 1993 die oben wiedergegebene meinung ist meine private und nicht die des rrzn des lg rvs der uh oder einer anderen institution religion re davidians and compassion in article sandvik 200493000159 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes in article 93apr20 011634edt 47719 neat cs toronto edu cbo cs toronto edu calvin bruce ostrum wrote in article sandvik 190493200420 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes i have a hard time just now understanding that christianity knows about the word compassion christians do you think the actions today would produce a good picture of your religion clearly all people considering themselves christians are all alike and support one another in everything they do in particular it follows that they certainly will support all the actions of any other person calling himself a christian not i see there are christians and there are christians no wonder the christian world is in shambles you cant even agree who is a rightful one and a wrong one if one does not follow the teachings of christ he is not christian too easy please i would like to hear your comments about a supposed christian leader that makes sure that children are burnt to death would you say all muslims are like saddam hussein i wouldnt make such a blanket judgement why do you kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net guns randy weaver trial update day 4 note these trial updates are summarized from reports in the idaho statesman and the local nbc affiliate television station ktvb channel 7 randy weaver kevin harris trial update day 4 friday april 16 1993 was the fourth day of the trial synopsis defense attorney gerry spence cross examined agent cooper under repeated objections from prosecutor ronald howen spence moved for a mistrial but was denied the day was marked by a caustic cross examination of deputy marshal larry cooper by defense attorney gerry spence although spence has not explicitly stated so one angle of his stategy must involve destroying the credibility of agent cooper cooper is the governments only eyewitness to the death of agent degan spence attacked coopers credibility by pointing out discrepancies between coopers statements last september and those made in court cooper conceded that you have all these things compressed into a few seconds its difficult to remember what went on first cooper acknowledged that he carried a 9mm colt commando submachine gun with a silenced barrel i thought a colt commando was a revolver cooper continued by stating that the federal agents had no specific plans to use the weapon when they started to kill weavers dog when spence asked how seven cartridges could be fired by degans m 16 rifle when degan was apparently dead cooper could not say for sure that degan did not return fire before going down spence continued by asking with how many agents and to what extent had cooper discussed last augusts events cooper responded if youre implying that we got our story together youre wrong counselor spence continued to advance the defenses version of the events namely that a marshal had started the shooting by killing the weavers dog cooper disagreed assistant u s attorney ronald howen repeatedly objected to spences virulent cross examination of agent cooper arguing that the questions were repetitive and spence was wasting time howen also complained that spence was improperly using a cross examination to advance the defenses version of the events u s district judge edward lodge sustained many of the objections however both lawyers persisted until judge lodge had the jury leave the room and proceded to admonish both attorneys im not going to play games with either counsel this has been a personality problem from day 1 so start acting like professionals spence told the judge that when all the evidence is in well see that his agent larry cooper testimony is not credible that he was panicked and cannot remember the sequence of events spence continued were going to find that there is a very unlikely similarity almost as if it had come out of a cookie cutter between the testimony of mr cooper and the other witnesses spence then moved for a mistrial on the grounds that howens repeated objections would prevent a fair trial we cant have a fair trial if the jury believes im some sort of charlatan if the jury believes im bending the rules or engaging in some delaying tactic or that im violating court orders judge lodge called the notion that his repeated sustainings of howens objections had somehow prejudiced the jury was preposterous and denied the motion for a mistrial lodge did tell howen to restrict his comments when objecting the trial resumed with the prosecution calling fbi special agent greg rampton the prosecutions purpose was simply to introduce five weapons found in the cabin as evidence however the defense seized on the opportunity to further address coopers credibility defense attorney ellison matthews harris other attorney questioned rampton about the dog rampton stated that there were no specific plans to kill the weavers dog without being detected matthews then had rampton read a septtember 15 1992 transcript in which rampton had said that cooper had said that the purpose of the silenced weapon was to kill the dog without being detected if the dog chased them rampton then acknowledged that he believed that cooper had said that but he could not remember when he then stated that i did not conduct the primary interview with deputy cooper but i have had conversations with him since the interview was conducted monday april 19 1993 will begin the fifth day of the trial scheduled is the continued cross examination of fbi agent greg rampton medicine re krillean photography alex vuse vanderbilt edu alexander p zijdenbos writes flame on reading through the posts about kirlian whatever spelling photography i couldnt help but being slightly disgusted by the narrow minded i know it all i dont believe what i cant see or measure attitude of many people out there i am neither a real believer nor a disbeliever when it comes to so called paranormal stuff but as far as im concerned it is just as likely as the existence of for instance a god which seems to be quite accepted in our societies without any scientific basis accepted by whom people who think digital watches are a real good idea that 60 channels of television is 10x better than 6 channels of television i am convinced that it is a serious mistake to close your mind to something anything simply because it doesnt fit your current frame of reference history shows that many great people great scientists were people who kept an open mind and were ridiculed by sceptics youre right keep an open mind to the following 1 taco flavored donuts 2 cannibalism good way to get that extra protein in the diet 3 belief in yawanga armadillo god of parking meters mark vandewettering truest servant of yawanga oh yawanga he who never will become a road pizza all of my quarters and dimes nay even nickels will be spent to buy time to park in your eternal parking lot baseball re jack morris in 1qvag7innsvo lynx unm edu kbos carina unm edu k mitchell bose writes in article 1993apr19 214008 8199 ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes manuel lee is better than jeff blauser again if you had lee on your team last year you would be wearing a ring this year er no er yes if manny lee was on your team last year your team would have been the toronto blue jays my team is the albuquerque leftturns if manny lee were on my team i would not be wearing a ring nor would he if however i were on manny lees team again if manny lee was on your team last year your team would not have been the albuquerque leftturns it would have been the toronto blue jays the toronto blue jays i might well be wearing a ring not that thats such a big deal everybody got a ws ring from the jays win thats the whole point isnt it clemens didnt get a ring but morris did in the same way the blue jays did not win because jack morris was on the team jack morris won because he was on the blue jays it was a team effort not an individual one exactly and morris was part of the team would the jays have won with clemens we will never know but we do know that the jays won with morris so how could you possibly say that clemens had a better year no pitcher in baseball could have had a better year than morris had last year cordially as always maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time baseball marlin fans i was watching the dodgers marlins game yesterday and a couple of things impressed me first is that the way the sun was shining in miami it had a summer atmosphere in early spring for baseball in comparison wrigley field in early april still has a wintry look to it with the dead ivy and bundled up fans the second and most important was the fans i like these guys gals i will admit i am a football fan first but i still enjoy baseball it was interesting because most of these fans are only accustomed to the miami dolphins the way they were cheering i thought it was the afc playoffs of course opening day may have a lot to do with it but i really got feeling of electricity that i think is lacking with a lot of baseball fans in other cities baseball certainly needs a charge and i hope these two expansion teams bring back some excitement well find out friday how denver bronco fans respond phillies are 2 0 i better say it now before my opportunity passes by baseball re jewish baseball players in article 15apr93 14691229 0062 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 lafibm lafayette edu vb30 writes just wondering a friend and i were talking the other day and we were for some reason trying to come up with names of jewish baseball players past and present we werent able to come up with much except for sandy koufax somebody stankowitz and maybe john lowenstein can anyone come up with any more i know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this but humor us thanks for your help hank greenberg sid gordon ron blomberg guess it goes from the sublime to the ridiculous religion re christians above the law was clarification of pe in article c61kow e4z mailer cc fsu edu dlecoint garnet acns fsu edu darius lecointe writes jesus was a jew not a christian if a christian means someone who believes in the divinity of jesus it is safe to say that jesus was a christian on the first day after christmas my truelove served to me leftover turkey on the second day after christmas my truelove served to me turkey casserole that she made from leftover turkey days 3 4 deleted flaming turkey wings pizza hut commercial and m tlu a gic bait ken arromdee arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu baseball sam are you there to mr millitello listen sammy can you explain why buck pitched you in relief yesterday i figure no one would know this better than you yourself jason a miller some doctor guy p s tell bam bam he shouldve made good on his thread to retire cars re dirty diesels nataraja rtsg mot com writes i heard the diesels are considered cleaner burning than gas engines because the emit less of carbon monoxide hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen co hc nox but they can put out a lot of particulate matter i heard something about legislation being discussed to clean up diesel emissions is there anything in the works to install scrubbers for diesels how about the feasibility of installing them on trucks and cars would it be any different than a catylitic converter id assume easier since were removing particulate matter instead of converting gasses lets hear peoples opinions vw and mercedes have tinkered with particulate traps also vw uses a kind of turbocharger on their jetta ecodiesel that helps reduce particulates as well although i dont know the mechanics of it many diesel cars busses and trucks in europe are now being equipped with catalysts and traps in an effort to clean up diesel emissions already well below legal limits anyway its a shame gm had to soil the diesels reputation in passenger cars and prevent further resource devotion to research into making this outstandingly efficient engine even further ahead of gas engines in emissions erik baseball apology for article its me again i apologize to everyone out there whom i might have pissed off with that one article about don mattingly when i said he was the best first basemam in history i meant fielding first baseman which he is no one can argue with that medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition michael iastate edu michael m huang writes msg is common in many food we eat including chinese though some oriental restaurants might put a tad too much in them ive noticed that when i go out and eat in most of the chinese food restaurants i will usually get a slight headache and an ununsual thirst afterwards this happens to many of my friends and relatives too and heh we eat chinese food all the time at home but we dont use msg when were cooking for ourselves heck i seem to feel like that every time i eat out including in the cafeteria at work about half the time the headache intensifies until nothing will make it go away except throwing up ick as you might imagine i dont eat out a lot i guess my tolerance for food additives has plummeted since i switched to eating mostly steamed veggies theyre easy to fix thats all i wont even mention what happened the last time i ate corned beef oops too late the graphics bbs 908 469 0049 its better than a sharp stick in the eye internet lim graphics rent com julie lim uucp rutgers bobsbox graphics lim baseball re finnally the phils have support in article c4yxmj ble news udel edu philly bach udel edu robert c hite writes in article 1993apr3 182452 1 ulkyvx louisville edu pjtier01 ulkyvx louisville edu writes everytime i have written on the net about the possibility of a successfuls season by the philadelphia phillies i have gotten ripped from everybody from pittsburgh to calcutta but if all the ignoramouses care to look at this weeks baseball weekly they will see that im not the only one who considers then as division winners the rest of the most respected baseball writers in the country do as well and what was the reasoning of this genius writer that even though their pitching is at best sound they will win on the strength of their offense lesse 93 offense 92 offense thompson incaviglia 92 offense 72 wins 93 division winners at least 88 wins so 88 wins 72 wins thompson incaviglia therefore 16 wins thompson incaviglia what did you learn in school today if you take a math course and your teacher turns out to be rob rains run dont walk to drop add p tierney you obviously dont know what the hell youre talking about no thompson and incaviglia dont equal 16 wins but ill take the two of them over stan javier and ruben amaro 249 1hr 334ab 219 7hr 374 ab id say this improvement should equate to 6or 7 wins at least then ill take lenny dykstra who played 85 games last year and project his numbers 301 104 hits 18 2bs 6 hr 39rbi 30 sb over 150 games thus 301 188 hits 32 2bs 11hr 70rbi 54 sb okay now well put these numbers in the leadoff hole and thus i have to bump kruk hollins daulton rbi numbers up just a tad now lesse they knocked in 70 93 and 109 respectively dont you think its fair to add about 5 or 6 rbi to each they managed to knock in a pretty nice amount of runs with a 219 leadoff hitter okay bozo do you think its fair to add maybe 7 or 8 more wins now oh and how can i forget wes chamberlain 275 abs 9 hr 41 rbi even with a month and 1 2 in aaa and a horrible first half well project that over a full season to get 18 hr and 80 rbi or so is that worth a win or two finally take the worse pitching staff in the nl last year add the worse injury decimation of 1992 okay now we add danny jackson some health and a full season for schilling is that worth at least 3 wins okay weve been conservative and added about 18 wins so far now were adding about 4 more wins thanks to the expansion teams okay thats 22 wins lesse dipshit math genuious 72 22 94 hmmm i think thats good enough to win the worse division in baseball next time before you say something foolish get a clue first actually i was simply relaying the reasoning of this so called genius bw writer i agree the reasoning was foolish next time before you say something foolish be aware what you are responding to btw 94 wins very funny p tierney windows is there any documentation for microsoft diagnostics hi i found what i believe is an undocumented feature in my windows directory microsoft diagnostics ver 2 00 i am specifically interested in a more in depth explanation of the legends in the memory mapping report thanks chak aw chakaw u washington edu guns re govt break ins re 60 minutes in article 1993apr5 155733 114 pasadena dc bofa com franceschi pasadena dc bofa com writes in viet nam lt calley was tried and convicted of murder because his troops in a war setting deliberately killed innocent people it is time that the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to standards at least as moral as the militarys here here but any call for responsibility and accountability from police is invariably interpreted as being soft on crime being tough on crime and building more prisons and seizing 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1d9l m 8ltq 5g9p 3 q 3 q 3 r b8f b g r g r g r g mr g r g r g r g r g r8f b8f b8f b8f b8f b8g r f b8f b8f b4q m3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 q 3 9 7 om4u pl 9 72 9d m uy 7ey 7ex p f9f9f9f9f9f9f3t 3t 2tm q 1d9 34u 3l p ml p 1d9 1d9 pl 9 9 7 3t 3v9f0 7kljw w w wwiz m ghj biz ghj bhj gk w wt 1t 1t i 6e v q qax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax max ax ax ax ax ax ax ax ax qq ewwj suql tt9tq b8g end of part 10 of 14 baseball re winfield in article 1993apr23 212336 19002 alleg edu luriem alleg edu michael lurie the liberalizer writes do you have a better e mail address mr lurie im afraid i cant get the short version to work in any case on winfield yes his career ba is a mere 285 he didnt beat this until his sixth year in the majors and has only topped it once since 1988 his peak was in the early 80s and included some rather impressive seasons but then hes also had other scattered great performances like 1988 and 1992 definitely not a smooth career curve cheers valentine guns weird science by l neil smith posted by cathy smith for l neil smith weird science everyone knows how to tell when a politician is lying his lips move what may not be equally obvious is that there are politicians and then there are politicians and that the phrase political science is subject to more than one interpretation years ago we heard how scientists were worried that a new ice age might be coming and later on that nuclear winter smoke and dust thrown into the atmosphere by full scale international unpleasantness was a possibility something like that may even have killed the dinosaurs what we didnt hear was that no actual data supported any of this that real world events the burning of kuwaiti oil fields tended to discredit it that mostly it was propaganda meant to weaken values that made america the most successful culture in history and that the dinosaurs probably died of something like the plague when continents drifted together exposing them to new germs we miss a lot like this unless we listen closely prince william sound site of the famous oil spill and mount st helens werent supposed to recover from their respective disasters for at least 100 years that turned out not to be true although youd never know it from watching network nightly news or cnn it doesnt fit their agenda to inform us that the earth is vast and resilient and that nature is rougher on herself than we could ever be but for once the media arent entirely to blame as ignorant of science as they are of everything they trust scientists to unscrew the inscrutable the trouble is that todays scientists have agendas of their own nobody in government that wellspring of scientific wherewithal is going to offer grants to an investigator who states truthfully that there is no respectable evidence for global warming the money and power for bureaucrats and politicians lie in mass transit and they hate the automobile blamed as a major cause of the mythical crisis as a source of privacy and freedom they find intolerable the same appears true of acid rain a deliberate hoax cooked up by the environmental protection agency which hates private industrial capitalism almost as much as it does your car and foisted on real scientists through trickery which has depended on specialists in different fields not talking to each other much the list goes on always with a common disreputable thread ozone depletion for which evidence is even more suspect and contradictory than for acid rain or global warming is no more than a last desperate attempt to indict private capitalism in an era when state central planning and the command economy have failed and can only find this final withered leg to teeter on decades of anti nuclear alarmism resting on foundations of myth and panic mongering have failed to erase the fact that nuclear power is the safest cleanest most efficient source of energy known to mankind and more to the point that the greater amount of energy there is available to any individual in society the freer that individual and his society become honest studies on the effects of individual gun ownership and self defense on crime conducted by investigators who began as ideological opponents to those concepts but which show massive reductions in the latter to be the result of the former have been suppressed most recently by the california state government and what the media didnt say about recent epa discoveries on the effect of secondhand smoking is that although some harm to non smokers may have been detected it was less by an order or two of magnitude than that associated with frying bacon a couple times a week or keeping a pet bird its enough to make you wonder whether there was ever anything to the claim that smoking causes cancer that of course is the real threat represented by politically correct science the world is a dangerous place it would be nice to know the hazards ive never believed smoking to be a healthy practice but given a lack of credibility on the part of todays science how am i to decide what to do about it nicotine is highly addictive to that much i can attest from experience yet the stress of quitting may be riskier than to continue there isnt any way to tell thanks to the corrupting influence of government money on the scientific establishment two centuries ago the founding fathers spared us certain agonies to which every other nation in the world has been subject at one time or another by creating a legal barrier between politics and religion each time some short sighted individual or group has tried to lower the barrier most recently over the issue of abortion blood real human blood hot and smoking in the street has wound up being shed real human blood is being shed over scientific issues as peoples lives are ruined through the loss to agencies like the epa of livelihood or property it may have taken a lifetime to accumulate to diseases caused by toxins associated with burning fossil fuels for electrical power or thanks to bans on things like cyclamates when they die from the effects of obesity what we need now if we hope to survive as a civilization for two more centuries is another barrier a constitutional separation of state and science including medicine knowledge is valuable real science wont languish for lack of funding the money will simply come from contributors unwilling to pay for lies and everyone will benefit l neil smith author the probability broach the crystal empire henry martyn and forthcoming pallas lever action bbs 303 493 6674 fidonet 1 306 31 4 libertarian second amendment caucus nra life member my opinions are of course my own baseball how to keep score like the officials hello all id like to learn how to keep score when i watch ball games using official scoring methods where can i get scoresheets and instructions on how to use them i appreciate it mike hofstadters law it always takes michael wilson longer than you think even if you idoy crux1 cit cornell edu take into account hofstadters law douglas hofstadter baseball re the mystery of ron gant in article 13664 news duke edu fls keynes econ duke edu forrest smith writes in article 1993apr20 165738 16495 mnemosyne cs du edu msilverm nyx cs du edu mike silverman writes o any of you experts want to analyze ron gant omeone sure needs to analyze him gant is a head case in his what six or seven years in the majors hes put together a combined total of maybe one good season he lacks self confidence but worse he doesnt really understand baseball curiously he seems to perform best when his job is threatened sit him down for a game and he might get a hit the next night but let him play and what is he thinking about getting hits driving in runs no hes worried if hes going to get that 30 stolen bases or that 100th career home run he appears to have no learning curve he never figured out how to play third base what a fiasco he still plays the outfield with his legs hes lucky hes so fast because it enables him to outrun his mistakes but as i suggested earlier in the season it looks to me like hes slowing down a little bit or else every groundskeeper is watering the infield dirt a little extra gant has had way too much of a chance already he may get hot again for a couple of months but hell always revert to his true level gants ml record age 28 this season year g ab ba obp slg hr sb cs 1987 21 83 265 271 386 2 4 2 1988 146 563 259 317 439 19 19 10 3rd base expt year 1989 75 260 177 237 335 9 9 6 1990 152 575 303 357 539 32 33 16 1991 154 561 251 338 496 32 34 15 1992 153 544 259 321 415 17 32 10 in the majors for parts of 6 seasons total playing time approx 4 5 seasons just looking at his hitting record hes had 2 seasons of ops greater than 800 which is pretty good for an of his 1988 season is pretty decent for a rookie 2b the move to third base explains a lot of his 1989 when he returned as an of he began hitting again and of course last year he slumped but no learning curve he has obviously improved his batting eye over the years as well as his sb cs ratio as to his fielding he was an infielder when he was drafted a 2bman as he came up through the braves system and then the braves put him through 2 position changes in the space of a year hes an adequate of although not great and at least some of your perception of his fielding is colored by watching him learn to play the of at the ml level i know youre another long term braves fan about playing 3b imo thats the 2nd most difficult position to field after catcher at ss or 2b you need more range and speed but at 3b youve got to have quick reflexes and have a gun for an arm there are no second chances at 3b even when playing sandlot softball granted id still put my best overall infielder at ss but thats because he gets more chances not because the job is harder it still amazes me that so many teams have tried to convert other position players to 3b but maybe thats because the supply of natural 3b is scarce finally gant is a player who puts pressure on himself to perform well and works hard to improve you dont get those amazingly huge arms on that relatively small body without a lot of weight work now whether hes been overdoing it these days may be a valid question as is the question of whether he tries too hard to make something happen during each at bat but frankly if a player is going to not live up to potential id much rather they fail by trying too hard than by not trying hard enough you might be able to teach relaxation to an adult but at that age i dont believe you can teach hustle all that said i dont think id sign gant to another long term contract hes 28 now and i think hes free agent eligible in 2 years when hell be 30 given his career curve and limitations i wouldnt expect him to last much past 35 as a ml ballplayer he might surprise me here but atlantas got some talent on the farm and id rather take my chances down the road with nieves et al eric cars re lh car order delay in article 1993apr2 135926 1 skcla monsanto com mas skcla monsanto com writes i read an article in the 3 25 chicago tribune stating that chrysler is having problems addressing the demand for the 3 5l engine for its lh cars can anyone post how long they are waiting for an ordered car or how long they have been told theyll have to wait thanks john mas e mail address mas skcla monsanto com i ordered an intrepid es on jan 25th and havent seen it yet i called a couple of weeks ago and was told 2 3 more weeks its probably time to call again charles johnson intel corporation supercomputer systems division ms co1 01 15201 nw greenbrier pkwy beaverton or 97006 phone 503 629 7605 email cfj ssd intel com religion what we can learn from the waco wackos there are actually a few important things we can glean from this mess 1 when they start getting desperate for an answer to the question whats it all about mr natural pinkboys will buy darn near anything which means 2 theres still plenty of to be made in the false jesus business by enterprising subgenii just remember that 3 once youve separated the pinks from their green dont blow it all on automatic weapons from mexico put it in a swiss bank account smile a lot have your flunkies hand out flowers in airports the con will just shrug you off as long as 4 you never never never start to believe your own bulldada if david koresh handt started swallowing his own apocalypso now crap hed be working crossword puzzles in the bahamas today instead of contributing to the mulch layer in waco this is because 5 when you start shooting at cops theyre likely to shoot back and most of em are better shots than you are in short p t barnum was right and stupidity is self correcting thus endeth the lesson the doge of south st louis dobbs approved media conspirator tm one step beyond sundays 3 to 5 pm 88 1 fm st louis community radio youll pay to know what you really think j r bob dobbs baseball re the 1964 phillies deja vu previously i wrote yeah the phillies played over their heads almost the whole year but it all caught up to them in one 10 game streak i am as old as 1964 man and i was a big phillies fan at the time age 13 september 64 is still a painful thing to remember but i can tell you that the phillies never led the league by 15 that year going by memory alone i believe their biggest lead was 7 1 2 games and they were 6 1 2 ahead when the famous 10 game losing streak began a streak during which it seemed that they found just about every way to lose known to man anyway i think they rebounded just before the end and won their last couple games and were still in the thing until the final day but finished tied with the giants one game out and didnt the dodgers or somebody else finish two games back that has to be one of the closest last minute scrambles ever ok you guys stirred up my childhood memories so i went and did some research on the final month or so of the 1964 season it turns out that my recollections were pretty darn accurate at least as far as the phillies record goes on september 1 1964 this was the top of the n l standings w l gb philadelphia 79 51 cincinnati 74 57 5 1 2 st louis 72 59 7 1 2 san francisco 73 60 7 1 2 this is a game by game description of the remainder of the phillies season date score opponent lead pitcher starting and winner loser 9 1 4 3 houston 5 1 2 bunning 15 4 9 2 2 1 houston 5 1 2 short 15 7 9 3 0 6 houston 5 1 2 bennett 9 12 9 4 5 3 san francisco 6 1 2 mahaffey baldschun 6 5 9 5 win san francisco 6 1 2 bunning 16 4 9 6 3 4 san francisco 5 1 2 short baldschun 6 6 9 7 5 1 los angeles bennett 10 12 1 3 los angeles 6 1 2 wise 5 3 9 8 2 3 los angeles 6 mahaffey 12 7 9 9 5 10 11 st louis 5 bunning baldschun 6 7 cardinals take over 2nd place from cincinnati 9 10 5 1 st louis 6 short 16 7 9 11 1 0 san francisco 6 bennett 11 12 9 12 1 9 san francisco 6 mahaffey 12 8 giants move into a tie for 2nd with st louis 9 13 4 1 10 san francisco 6 bunning 17 4 cardinals back in sole possesion of 2nd place 9 14 4 1 houston 6 1 2 short 17 7 9 15 1 0 houston 6 bennett 12 12 9 16 5 6 houston 6 bunning 17 5 9 17 4 3 los angeles 6 1 2 wise schantz 2 4 9 18 3 4 los angeles 6 short baldschun 6 8 9 19 3 4 16 los angeles 5 1 2 bennett baldschun 6 9 9 20 3 2 los angeles 6 1 2 bunning 18 5 reds move back into tie for 2nd with cardinals well so far so good for the phillies but now it all falls apart 9 21 0 1 cincinnati 5 1 2 mahaffey 12 9 reds take sole possesion of 2nd place 9 22 2 9 cincinnati 4 1 2 short 17 8 9 23 4 6 cincinnati 3 1 2 bennett 12 13 9 24 3 5 milwaukee 3 bunning 18 6 9 25 5 7 12 milwaukee 1 1 2 short boozer 3 4 cards now 2 1 2 back in 3rd giants 3 1 2 in 4th 9 26 4 6 milwaukee 1 2 mahaffey schantz 2 5 9 27 8 14 milwaukee 1 bunning 18 7 phils lose 7 1 2 games in 7 days reds take over 1st cardinals 1 1 2 back in 3rd 9 28 1 5 st louis 1 1 2 short 17 9 cardinals take over 2nd place phils drop to 3rd 9 29 2 4 st louis 1 1 2 bennett 12 14 reds and cardinals now tied for 1st 9 30 5 8 st louis 2 1 2 bunning 18 8 cardinals take 1 2 game lead over reds 10 1 4 3 cincinnati 1 1 2 short roebuck 5 3 phillies halt 10 game losing streak cards lead reds by 1 2 game 10 2 did not play cards lose to mets reds tied for 1st phils 1 game back 10 3 10 0 cincinnati 1 bunning 19 8 cards beat mets take first by 1 from reds and phillies whew what a finish and the final standings were w l gb st louis 93 69 philadelphia 92 70 1 cincinnati 92 70 1 san francisco 90 72 3 now it doesnt appear to me that phillies pitchers bunning and short were really overused at least by the four man rotation standard of the day until well along into the 10 game losing streak at which time mauch was probably desperate for a win at any cost because the phillies substantial lead had evaporated the way they were used at that time may have made the problem worse although bunning had one of his sharpest games of the year in the final day 10 0 shutout of the reds that cost the reds a share of the pennant bunning pitched a complete game six hitter striking out five and walking one it would be inetersting to see though how the total innings for the year for bunning and short stacks up against the rest of the league also notice that the phillies played every day from at least september 1 through october 1 while they didnt play substantially more games than the other teams the other teams each had a couple days off during that stretch eric smith erics netcom com erics infoserv com ci 70262 3610 baseball re phils nl east not so weak in article kingoz 734972439 camelot kingoz camelot bradley edu orin roth says or you may be posting this way too early and be eating your words by mid season cmon the phillies havent proved anything yet atlanta was similar to the phils 2 years ago they sucked they started having the phillies finished third 2 years ago the braves really are their record is 6 3 can you imagine the phils record if they were batting 188 hahahaha and atlantas hitting will improve dramatically the phillies opponents havent hit much better eat our words or not forgive us the true fans in philly have been through a lot john cars re best radar detector valentine 1 in article 1993apr22 204921 12644 convex com tobias convex com allen tobias writes in article 1993apr21 190251 14371 sequent com troy sequent com troy wecker writes each valentine 1 is hand tuned to maximum performance is all the radar bands of coverage this of course adds to the labor cost and in turn the cost of the unit i live in the backyard of the folks who make the stalker radar system the valentine 1 has saved me many many many times from the stealth revenue enhancement traps of the local area i have had all the major brand detectors and imho nothing else even comes close to the v1 i dont work for valentine i am just a satisfied user of their unit if you really want the nitty gritty details on all this call the nice folks at valentine research they will be more than happy to explain their perspective on radar detection and analysis methods the calls free 1 800 331 3030 at it seems that there are more and more bands available for police radar each month i have recently purchased within the last 8 months the bel 966stw while it is not a perfect detector by any means it does do the job fairly well now however i pick up a car magazine at the airport and read about this super ka wideband which is a superset of the ka wideband that this latest generation of detectors was touted as covering so now bel has a new series of detectors out that cover all the usual bands x k ka photo ka wideband as well as the new super ka wideband just as there comes a point of diminishing returns when chasing increased pc computing power with faster and faster cpus for the average home consumer at least it seems that there is now the same concern with radar detectors does it make sense to upgrade just 8 months after purchasing my new detector is valentine upgrading their equipment if so it might be worth it for me to upgrade to the valentine i was in the market for a valentine when i purchased the bel but the 3 4 month waiting time was just too much for me since i had inadequate protection with my passport life was much simpler when there was just x and k band and escort has the best equipment on the market and there was no need to continuously shop for a new detector i hope that the flood of new radar bands ceases with this new super wideband business 0 0 allen tobias technical email convex computer corp marketing tobias convex com 3000 waterview parkway richardson tx 75083 no one cares how much you know until they know how much you care david w hwang m d david ganglion ann arbor mi us baseball re the 1964 phillies deja vu in article 1993apr14 222601 21160 cabell vcu edu csc2imd cabell vcu edu ian m derby writes after reading my local paper today i found out that the phillies started the 1964 season at 10 2 i am not as old as 1964 but ive heard many talk about the serious choke job the phillies did that season they were ahead of the cardinals by 15 games that season in mid august they managed to lose a bunch from then on and the cardinals took the division 15 games ahead and lost it i hope this season is much different strictly from memory i think the phillies were something like ten games up with 12 to go lost 10 in a row and 11 of last 12 to lose to the cardinals seems impossible but thats how i remember it i also felt at the time that johnny callison of the phillies lost the mvp as a by product of their swoon jerry p s in 1964 a single team out of 8 won the pennant no divisions guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors jdurbin nl oracle com jason durbin writes if even half the speculations of conspiracy made about this are true then i would expect that you people should be calling for the atf fbi texas rangers congress and all branches of the us government to be immediately and completey disbanded no exceptions jeez do you people really beleive all this crap do you also beleive in the zionist occupation government and the tooth fairy jason ive heard the people who are talking about this dismissed as conspiracy nuts but nobody seems to be talking about a conspiracy at least at the beginning there were a lot of bad decisions that went into this tragedy and some people may now be taking some serious evasive action to avoid being held responsible for the unexpected results of those bad decisions actually the only ones i see that are tied into a conspiracy theory are the ones raving about deranged cultists with stockpiles of weapons and suicide pacts admittedly mistakes were made but why attribute them to malice rather than stupidity i think there are a lot of us that have been following this pretty closely from the beginning and we woud probably agree that this tragedy was more the result of stupidity than malice jason durbin oracle europe religion re what part of no dont you understand in article 1993apr21 182127 23528 advtech uswest com steven advtech uswest com steve novak writes david r sacco writes some people even raised protests when we had a moment of silence for a class member who had tragically died saying this implied endorsing religion because of course that possibility existed meaning any student who really gave a shit could have a moment of silence on his her own which makes more sense than forcing those who dont want to participate to have to take part what other reason is there for an organized moment of silence a moment of silence doesnt mean much unless everyone participates otherwise its not silent now is it non religious reasons for having a moment of silence for a dead classmate 1 to comfort the friends by showing respect to the deceased 2 to give the classmates a moment to grieve together 3 to give the friends a moment to remember their classmate in the context of the school 4 to deal with the fact that the classmate is gone so that its not disruptive later blindly opposing everything with a flavor of religion in it is utterly idiotic pro choice anti roe e elizabeth bartley abortions should be safe legal early and rare cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico in article c5unfy e7i dove nist gov keys starchild ncsl nist gov lawrence b keys writes in article c5ui6u ao0 murdoch acc virginia edu jmh hopper virginia edu jeffrey hoffmeister writes in article 1993apr21 171811 25933 julian uwo ca wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca wayne smith writes in article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu david g wonnacott writes im considering switching to geico insurance but have heard that they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim i was worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim i have also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident dont worry about this theyll drop you like a hot potato after you do make a claim theyll just make filing the claim a pain but it will end when they leave you in the lurch ive read in this group that geico has funded the purchasing of radar guns by police depts im not sure where more than that geico funded the company that developed lidar when locals showed a reluctance to buy the units geico started giving them away i know theyve given units to the florida highway patrol county sheriffs a and some local governments the real question is why this is the hook geico and other ins co s can tell which drivers represent risk this is a determination they can make after you receive a speeding ticket from one of geicos lidar units most drivers do not represent increased risk even after a ticket or two but this gives them the opportunity to raise rates for equal risk its called extra profits they also know how silly the nsl is and how it is almost universally ignored driving in excess of the nsl gets you a ticket an increase in your rates points on your license but it doesnt make you a riskier driver to insure like the sound of this like the people who thought up the scheme go geico unless you have some driving history problems youre usually better to go with one of the major companies and stay there youll get long term customer discounts on your premiums now about the of your premium that is paid as commission thats another story for another day cars re pennsylvania insurance limited tort option in my opinion the limited tort option is the best thing casey has ever done basically limited tort means that you give up your right to sue for pain and suffering unless one of the following conditions is met 1 your medical bills resulting from the accident exceed x where x is some number like 50 000 im not sure of the exact number 2 the accident was caused by a drunk driver i mean the other driver was drunk 3 you get a good lawyer and have a good case basically you can appeal to regain your right to sue but theres almost no chance of this ever happening you are only giving up your right to sue for pain and suffering you can still sue for medical costs actual damages etc by agreeing to limited tort you are essentially giving up your right to be an asshole who treats every accident as an entry into the litigation lottery in exchange you get a substantial reduction in your rates i save 150 year unfortunately the insurance companies have managed to scare and confuse people so much that only about 5 of pennsylvanians go for limited tort i guess thats ok if more people opted for it the insurance companies would be pushing harder for repeal baseball re braves pitching updatedir in article 1993apr15 214032 1 acad drake edu sbp002 acad drake edu writes not clear to me at all id certainly rather have a team who was winning 4 1 games than 2 1 games in the 2 1 game luck is going to play a much bigger role than in the 4 1 game but you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to one run not if youve scored four runs you dont why strain even the best pitching staff why not make it easier for them in the 2 1 game the best pitching staff in the world cant compensate for a blown call a bad hop a gust of wind winning close is the wrong way to win both keeping opposing runs down and scoring a lot yourself are insurance against the shit happens aspect of baseball not every great teamhas even good pitching the big red machine of the 70s was league average in pitching but somehow rose morgan bench perez etc managed to win 100 games more than once peaking at 108 roger windows netware 3 11 win 3 1 fileman is there a update or something that will allow a person when using novell 3 11 and windows 3 1 file manager to view the files with the name of the person who created it or changed it like the novell command ndir tim osburn osburn halcyon com tim osburn kb7gbq osburn halcyon com bellevue washington guns re gun talk legislative update for states viking iastate edu dan sorenson writes lvc cbnews cb att com larry cipriani writes iowa all firearm related bills are dead senate file 303 dealing with off duty police officers carrying concealed remains viable the power of the word processor and a stamp at work the fact that around here the state rep generally lives no more than nine miles from any constituent doesnt hurt either dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them does anyone know the particulars on the senate file 303 does this bill allow or deny off duty police from carrying concealed from what information that i have iowa has a discretionary permit policy on ccw if s 303 allows police off duty to carry concealed then i would be inclined to oppose it i dont believe off duty police officers should have any more rights than civilians if law or policy prevents law abiding citizens from being armed for self defense then why should off duty police officer be treated any differently medicine re need info on circumcision medical cons and pros bullshit cars re 300zx or sc300 ip02 ns1 cc lehigh edu danny phornprapha writes hi everyone im getting a car in the near future ive narrow it down to 300zx and sc300 which might be a better choice thanks for your opnion danny ive been asking myself this same question for the past year so if when you find out would you please share the magistic answer with me the way i see it right now work twice as hard so you can have both cheers issa medicine re use of codine in narcolepsy in article 1993mar26 005148 7899 aio jsc nasa gov stevel aio jsc nasa gov steve lancaster writes 3 is there any way around the scheduled drug mess so that he can use just the substance that works and not one adulterated with tylenol can the md perscribe a year long supply on one script his doctor basically refused to prescribe it saying his clinic does not prescribe controled substances its is company rule short of changes by the feds there is no way codeine alone is very difficult to prescribe without a lot of hassles tylenol 3 is the best compromise that way he can get refills the amount of acetominophen he is getting with his codeine wont hurt him any gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows re required file format of word for ms window file doc in article cosmosc6bcz0 kee netcom com cosmos netcom com cosmos writes hi i am trying to develop a utility to view word for window file but to do that i need to know the format of the doc word for window file format files can anybody tell me what is the format of doc file or direct me where can i get it or is it proprietory format your help is greatly appriciated thanks the format for word for windows doc files is available from microsoft call their developer support services number sorry dont have it handy and ask for the word for windows binary file format spec warning it is not terribly useful and you will need to do a lot of looking before you can figure out how the stuff is stored general primer word for windows stores its data in two chunks the first chunk is the actual text in the file this is all stored together and has nothing but text and graphics the second chunk is the formatting information for general use to read a word for windows file skip the first 384 bytes of the file its a general header then read the remaining text until you hit binary data matt medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article 1993apr15 180459 17852 nmr z mgh harvard edu milsh nmr z mgh harvard edu alex milshteyn writes this was known long ago brain produces and uses some msg naturally but not in doses it is served at some chinese places having said that i might add that in mho msg does not enhance flavor enoughf for me to miss it when i go to chinese places i order food without msg goos places will do it for you i just wanted to point out that some of the food particularly the soups are prepared in a big batch so the restaurant wont be able to take the msg out of it sometimes its pretty hard to find out if this is the case or not alexander m milshteyn m d milsh cipr server mgh harvard edu cipr mgh in boston ma 617 724 9507 vox 617 726 7830 fax david b considine dbc welkin gsfc nasa gov religion re davidians and compassion in article c5slas b68 blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu ken arromdee wrote in article sandvik 190493200420 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes so we have this highly christian religious order that put fire on their house killing most of the people inside we have no way to know that the cultists burned the house it could have been the batf and fbi we only have the governments word for it after all and people who started it by a no knock search with concussion grenades are hardly disinterested observers well looking at the videos it seems that this fire started in various places at the same time which would indicate that this was a planned action im sure fbi and batf didnt deliberately start a possible fire having a sniper kill korresh would have been a far easier method looking at the careful operation and use of tear gas that as i know dont start fires it is less likely that this was the case sorry but my bets are on fanatical people keen to start armageddon theirs cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net windows re quicken 6 vs tobias managing your money ive never had quicken but i did use mym in its early days i have ms money for windows now and a financial planning package called wealthbuilder by reality technologies and money magazine p s i also do my taxes with turbo tax all of these packages are good in their own way but none of them really support me in doing what i really need to do manage my finances the first company that comes along with a windows based package that manages budgets and accounts manages loans calculates taxes uses all of the above and knowledge about my investing philosophy to help me invest in the right investment vehicles and integrates it all together will have my business for life ken khackbarth attmail com religion re oto the ancient order of oriental templars tony alicea ch981 cleveland freenet edu wrote in a previous article shades sorinc cutler com darrin a hyrup says they thelema lodge dont have an internet address but they do have a cis address which can be reached via uucp internet it is 72105 1351 so i guess that would be 72105 1351 cis com or something like that compuserve com ive tried 72105 1351 compuserve com bounced twice any other guesses thyagi cars for sale 91 celica repair manuals two volume soft cover repair manuals for all models of 91 toyota celicas probably good for 92 models as well like new condition these are the manuals used by the toyota dealers mechanics they normally cost over 80 new 50 obo brian donnell brian gothamcity jsc nasa gov baseball re old predictions to laugh at in article 1993apr15 160316 9170 cs cornell edu tedward cs cornell edu edward ted fischer writes oops i came across this file from last year thought you might enjoy some of these thoughts the predictions were made on the date indicated they are largely out of order much crap deleted 3 managers to be fired this year 1992 in chronological order fregosi showalter valentine riddoch three of them went right showalter is still around and likely to stick it seems dead wrong last time i checked jim fregosi was still managing the phillies and doing quite a fine job thank you best record in baseball at 8 1 my prediction for 1993 jim fregosi will win manager of the year in the nl dont flame me flame the bum who thinks he got fired last year pay attention kiddo baseball re giants gm quinn is a genius in article 80416 apple apple com chuq apple com chuq von rospach wrote mcmath csb1 nlm nih gov chuck chuck bo buck mcmath writes when the giants protected mike benjamin career average 160 ovre pitcher pat rapp there were surprised looks in the bay area benjamins stats 333 364 571 42 ab 14 h 4 doubles 2 dingers and rapps even been sent down to aaa so its even better than that eh of course the protected list was done by the old regime not the new so this is rosens baby not quinns and ill tell you what lets look at this again at the end of the season and say in three years and see who the genius is one of the more braindead decisions by the oldgiants imho even if benjamin does improve markedly over the past and his hitting is better hes never going to be more than a utility backup if rapp might turn into a top flight arm in another year i think the next time i post something like this i obviously need to make the sarcasm a bit more obvious chuck chuck mcmath mcmath csb1 nlm nih gov msd inc national library of medicine national institutes of health bethesda md 20894 no noose is good noose hey batter hey batter hey batter swing anon this opinion influenced by cosmic radiation medicine deadly nyquil i originally posted this to alt suicide holiday but it was recommended that i try you guys instead my friend insists that ny quil can be deadly if enough is taken he suggested something like 20 30 of the night time gelcaps would do someone in being a normal user of ny quil i checked the ingredients and have a very hard time believing it they are 250 g acetaminophen 30 mg pseudoephedrine hcl 10 mg dextromethorphan hbr 6 25 mg doxylamine succinate per softgel can someone settle our bet a package of ny quil of course what effect would 20 30 of these babies have nathan inter arma silent leges worship ditka now email bitn midway uchicago edu cars 1962 thunderbird i just bought a 1962 t bird and would like any info on a club in and around the the b c coast eric thomas cars re is car saftey important i of course car safety is important i for one used to think that these guys are going way ott with their airtbags sorry del button dont work and side impact bars and crash zones and the list goes on just tpo make the car heavbier and all its penalties bur recently i had a little accident on my bike and not as bad as johns but after the accident it made me realizer i should have worn a helmet my mom always insistede i should i was more concerned about my hair style a few days agi i read a report in which the old rea rea shit renault 5 had an accident and its roof caved inwards and crushed the occupents heads cars re mercury villager minivan good buy i have tested both vehicles identically equipped both for week long periods curiously and consider these are test vehicles i found the mercury higher in build quality than the nissan either choice is good but beware that i did not experience reasonable mileage with the v6 average city driving was 15mpg with about 21 avg on the highway both were optioned to the hilt the nissan had leather the villager was in the 24k range and the nissan was over 26k bob baseball re baseballisdead scott asd com scott barman writes forget it word has it three divisions with a wild card is just about a done deal it has to be decided soon since negotiations with the networks also have to begin soon preliminary negotiations started already i believe though the word is that they are going slooooooooooooooooooooooowly greg cars re new integra for 94 in article c63ypt 47d tsegw tse com pbhandar tsegw tse com parminder bhandari writes ive heard unconfirmed rumours that there is a new integra being released for 94 does anybody have any info on this the local sales people know as much as i can throw them parms still no sig here we go again now these are just rumors so dont quote me new integra supposedly wedge shaped again 175 hp and all wheel drive in top models then a variant called the zx r comes later roadster i think it gets unveiled at end of summer nothing about an airbag was mentioned but im sure itll have one along with a nice hefty increase in sticker cars re ad said nissan altima best seller in article c5uflh 4p4 srgenprp sr hp com markg sr hp com mark goldsworthy writes i just bought an altima and like it very much and yes there is a little stanza logo ever so discretely placed on the trunk the altima is emblazoned in big silver letters but the itsy bitsy stanza is shunted to the far left of the trunk lid you can only see it if you get up close to the car and know where to look it is very inconspicuous in fact my first clue that this was a stanza was that the owners manual called the car a nissan stanza altima anybody know why nissan did it this way to avoid paperwork associated with re certification as a brand new car etc so for ad purposes its a brand new nameplate for paperwork its still a stanza spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c23st kocrsv01 delcoelect com software technology delco electronics 317 451 0815 gm hughes electronics kokomo in 46904 i post therefore i armm cars re opinions on 88 89 pontiac bonneville in article c5ullq ds acsu buffalo edu v064mb9k ubvmsb cc buffalo edu neil b gandler writes i am in the market to buy a used car i am particularly interested in the pontiac bonneville my budget is between 7 8 thousand would i be able to afford an 88 or 89 what engines were available at this time i know they didnt redesign until the 1992 model year how is the reliability of past models i would appreciate any advice or information neil gandler in a word yes 1989 bonnevilles prices avg retail sedan 4d le 7 125 sedan 4d se 8 125 sedan 4d sse 10 975 medicine hypodermic needle hi i am doing a term paper on the syringe and i have found some information it is said that charles pravaz has invented the hypodermic needle but then i have also found that alexander wood has invented it does anyone know which one it is of if it was anyone else if there is anymore information that is out there could you please send it to me thank you very much becky olsen guns dealing with cults a few thoughts in the wake of the waco denouement i had email discussions with people from this group in particular we discussed how cults operate why the fbi might be motivated to black out news or behave the way it did and what kinds of problems are involved in dealing with cults and similar organizations i include an edited account of what i wrote the identity of my correspondents have i hope been erased the editing process makes the text choppy sorry about that ive tried to retain the information content ellipses indicate where text was removed a few of the comments in parentheses are new intended to make it easier for outsiders to understand these notes are preliminary feel free to criticize cheers oded begin included text i took a course called the madness of crowds the course included cults and briefly mentioned analyzed jonestown did some external reading too william adorno edited a series of books on the psychology of evil mass movements starting with the authoritarian personality university of chicago press 1948 an attempt to figure out what would motivate people to support fascism or be the bad guys in wwii and by extension in other wars in racial lynchings i dont think the books are perfect and the study of psychopathology has advanced but you can elicit koresh types from even the first volume so i think theyre onto something how cult psychology works im an amateur hope im not hopelessly naive so long as koresh could own his people he made sure they didnt believe there was any life out there for them away from him otherwise hed koresh be nothing during the siege ex davidians recounted how he convinced the people in the compound they survived only through his intercession with god to spare their worthless souls absolutely classic brainwashing technique as long as they believed him theyd ignore batf fbi child protective services or even the red cross asking them to come out after all if they ever left him god would catapult them straight to hell and the combined forces of the us gummint with all the goodwill in the world doubtful couldnt save them for a second if i believed it id stay and die too like the folks in jonestown for a prosaic analogy replace a cult leader with an estranged wife or husband and notice how many folks show up kill the ex and then themselves thats the consequence of shattered cultism it really does happen all the time by the way the treasured ideal in such cases without which life is meaningless is the relationship no matter how abusive rather than the individuals partner why no news dont the feds owe the world an explanation i agree that official explanations are in order i can also see good reasons for news blackouts the only fact available is that had the fbi not acted yesterday those people would be alive today that no matter what those people would have died because koresh made sure they believed they had no lives outside his influence hence it would make little difference when or how the fbi acted he held them hostage as his trump against going to jail but nothing would really stop him from offing them even if the fbi went away look at history rep leo ryan and some staffers visited jonestown at the request of constituents who had relatives there once jonestown was discovered and even though they killed ryan and his entourage they all killed themselves because jim jones knew hed be busted internal arguments asking to spare the children brought up by some of the women in the cult were shouted down there are tapes the logic of saying that no matter how bad the gummint is it wouldnt kill the kids was shouted down as blasphemy and the people who brought it up were threatened with ostracism by people who by their own avowal would be dead within the hour i suspect its the same with the branch davidians theres a book on jonestown by james reston jr titled our father who art in hell i dont know whether its good never read it the only way to prevent such a problem would be never to investigate reports of child abuse or sexual mistreatment or organizations buying full auto conversion kits or shipping hand grenades via ups on the off chance of stumbling across cults that would kill themselves so the only way the batf fbi could save those people and future cults is by ignoring such signs i suppose theres another way outsmarting koresh and tricking him into letting them go or somehow influencing his people to abandon him while he owns most of their means of communication with the world a mighty tough row to hoe i suspect the fbi tried to do that with blackouts noise and other sensory insults however maybe theyre not very sophisticated or maybe the job is impossible its certainly possible the guy running the show was a jerk why the fbi might want to blackout during and coverup after if they were doing a poor job of weaning the bds from koresh theyd want to keep it quiet so they wouldnt be embarrassed if they were trying to wean the bds from koresh theyd want to keep it quiet so he couldnt outflank them or well meaning boneheads from any point of view wouldnt screw it up i hate playing chess when the world screams in my face especially if at checkmate time people really die and i could be blamed i dont think ignoring such incidents is a workable policy unless you deny the fbi batf child protective services of whatever stripe and the rest of the gummint should exist at all the end okay have at it windows re need longer filenames in article 765461d518325t9 infoserv com hfeldman infoserv com howard mitchell feldman writes in 1993apr19 211044 28763 guinness idbsu edu lhighley gozer idbsu edu larry paul highley wrote is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than the standard 8 3 format yep its called os2 windows re does dos6 defragment geoffrey s elbo writes yes and it is the fastest defrag ive ever watched it did a 170mb hard disk in 20 minutes i found the ms defrag looks very much like norton speedisk is it just a strip down version of the later i have both norton speedisk and backup so i was wondering if i need to install ms backup richard baseball re braves giants in article 13536 news duke edu fls keynes econ duke edu forrest smith writes cox shouldve protested the game the second time the garbage got thrown at his outfielders he should also have protested the game at the point where ron gant was assessed the second strike in the ninth on the grounds that he cox was on the field and time should have been called both protests would be denied of course the umpires judgement determines the garbage thing although i think the game should be called but thats my personal opinion doesnt matter there is time only when the ump says so the second argument is baseless dave windows re file manager problem in a previous article mrw54660 eng nxt01 cso uiuc edu michael r whitchurch says whenever i start file manager the status bar is not displayed even though it is selected in the options menu if i deselect it then select it again the bar appears anyone have any ideas why this is happening no not really it may be that your winfile ini has gotten corrupted for some unknown reason have you tried re creating it by either 1 exiting filemanager with the save setting option on when the status bar is visible or 2 double clicking on the control menu the one with minimize and maximize in in when everything looks proper if you have and it still doesnt work you may want to delete your winfile ini and try one of these two saving procedures again to totally recreate the file from scratch good luck mark waschkowski windows can i only insert 16 color pics in wfw2 0 well the subject says just about all i intended to ask is there no way to insert a 256 color into wfw 2 0 when i try it the picture turns into a 16 color pic jonni medicine cs chemical agent can anyone provide information on cs chemical agent the tear gas used recently in waco just what is it chemically and what are its effects on the body dsc gemini gsfc nasa gov regards hughes stx code 926 9 gsfc doug caprette lanham maryland greenbelt md 20771 a path is laid one stone at a time the giant baseball re the babe v the pride of the yankees behrens cc swarthmore edu eric behrens writes the babe and the pride of the yankees offer very different renditions of the sotry about ruth and gherig hitting home runs for the boy in the hospital can some historian out there explain historys version of the story i wouldnt put is past either or both of the movies to season the truth with a little extra spice any other comments as to inaccuracies in these two movies good question i kind of wondered about this myself just one thought i had on it the babe himself was in pride of the yankees which made me think a that version may be closer to the truth and b the babe must have been a pretty good gut to be in the movie even though some of the scenes didnt make him look completely flattering chris roney e mail chris roney sfu ca windows re anyone use number 9 gxe video card in article 6023 npg sd sandiegoca ncr com claborne npg sd sandiegoca ncr com chris claborne writes has anyone used the number nine 9 video graphics adaptor with windows or windows nt what do you think i just put one in my machine last week i have an ast 486 66 i was getting 10million winmarks with my diamond ss24 and the 9 board is doing 20million winmarks from my brief experiences with it im very satisfied btw this is with win 3 1 marc snyder uucp philabs crpmks marcs system administrator ciba geigy corporation hawthorne new york work 914 785 2284 play 914 347 6440 medicine re krillean photography i did a science project on kirlian photography when i was in high school i was able to obtain wonderful auras from rocks and pebbles and the like by first dunking them in water i know this is a little weird but i know that world magazine you know national geo for children did a very simple and concise article on kirlian photography they had some neat pictures too a friend of mines mother had a book on kirlian photography only its photographs took a radiologist to interpret they world magazine warned us all that it was very dangerous probably to stop curious children from experimenting with it mind you this was 10 years ago at least and boy does that say something about my age sarah brundage sbrun oregon uoregon edu baseball re quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb bob gajarsky hobokenite writes jayson stark i trhink thats him fits perfectly in this category anyone who writes dean palmer has 2 homers at this pace hell have 324 home runs should be shot bob i think that stark does this sort of thing as a joke not as a serious prediction i dont really see why we should shoot him for that the guys who ought to be shot are the ones who keep claiming how great the royals chances are in the al west since all evidence indicates that they arent joking and actually believe it bob davis rbd thor ece uc edu cars 86 chevy sprint i have a 86 chevy sprint with a c and 4doors its odometer turned 90k and the sensor light started blinking i went to the dealer and he said it was a maintenance light saying i need to change the oxygen sensor he said it is to be changed every 30k but since i bought the car when it had 77k i dont know if the same thing happened at 30k and 60k he quoted 198 for the part and 50 to install it the part cost 30 outside but the mechanic i went to could not fix it saying the sensor is placed too deep in the engine parts he suggested i wait till it malfunctions before i do anything if anyone out there owns a chevy sprint i want to know how they got their oxygen sensors changed also did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealers help also what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction any help would be greatly apprecisted thanks nagesh baseball re why is barry bonds not batting 4th in article franjion 735413613 spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjione writes i dont understand this at all matt williams has demonstrated throughout his career that he will not wait for good pitches to hit he wont take walks hed rather swing if im the opposing pitcher why would i groove a fastball to williams and have him hit it well when i know that williams will swing and miss or at least not hit very well at a low and away curve matts problem is really more ability than attitude it isnt that hes got it in his mind that he wants to swing away but rather that hes still a total sucker for the curve ball it looked for a while in 1990 that he was getting better but its still his weak point as to whether it does him any good to have bonds behind him the net stat mavens will probably tell you theres no reason that it should but if he thinks it will it might be a self fulfilling prophecy as to whether the giants lineup is optimal who knows batting bonds the teams best hitter fifth does seem to be odd but the 1 and 2 hitters arent exactly messrs oba so they arent giving much up there and although clark isnt the overall offensive force that bonds is he seems better suited to the 3 spot assuming of course that he starts hitting one of these days michael zimmers voice 408 996 1965 softhelp suppliers to software developers data 408 996 1974 guns re proper gun control what is proper gun control was re my gun is like my american express card iftccu talk politics guns hays ssd intel com kirk hays 3 31 pm apr 13 1993 some of the pro gun posters in this group own no guns the dread terminator aka the rifleman owned no firearms for several years while posting in this group as an example there are others for what it is worth i own no firearms of any sort as long time readers of this group know i am dedicated to the rkba this is not about toys it is about freedom dave barton dlb hudson wash inmet com guns re president clintons email address jagst18 pitt edu josh a grossman writes somebody was kind enough to post the prezs compuserve email address i was smart enough to write it down somehwere on some small scap of paper i can not find if youve got it please email it to me compuserve 75300 3115 compuserve com america on line clintonpz aol com both are accessible from the internet when you send a not to slick willie you will need to have you us mail address on the note if you want a response the white house does not reply by e mail cars re most bang for between 13 000 and 16 000 rmt6r faraday clas virginia edu roy matthew thigpen writes your best bet is the dodge intrepid with the sohc 24 valve 3 4 six it gets 214 hp and has a hell of a lot of room great styling and abs with four wheel disk breaks the lh cars won automobile magazines automobile of the year award and are quiet impressive is the 24v lh under 16k though chintan amin the university of illinois urbana champaign mail llama uiuc edu because he was human because he had goodness because he was moral they called him insane peart cinderella man baseball bosox win again 5 2 against seattle last night boston red sox win its 11 games of 14 games by beating seattle 5 2 roger clemson pitch not so dominate he walked at least 6 man in first 6 inns but valetin and greenwell hit homeruns and red sox prevail i think that game is must win for red sox in seattle considering darwin will faced seattle ace randy johnson tonight medicine re morbus meniere is there a real remedy in article 19607 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes a recent movie lorenzos oil offers a perfect example of what im talking about if you havent seen it you should its not i saw it it is almost a unique case in history first ald is a rare but fatal disease their accomplishment was significant of course it was overplayed in the movie for dramatic effect the oil is not curative and doesnt even prevent progression only slows it theres a pretty good article in the the march 6 1993 new scientist titled pouring cold water on lorenzos oil the article states that research has shown that the oil has no discernable effect on the progression of the disease in patients in which demyelination has begun in patients with amn a less acute form of the same disease there is some improvement seen in the ability of nerve fibres to conduct impulses in ald patients who have not yet begun demyelination the jury is still out dale cook religion re is it good that jesus died brian kendig first states i am my own master i ask are you truly the master of yourself brian kendig states not yet make up your mind but my life is the ground i use to practice on the fun is in the getting there we dont start out perfect and we do not end perfect either we are never perfect can you name one person young or old past or present that you deem perfect good luck i know my shortcomings and i know my strengths and i live my life according to the decisions i make and i am content to abide with the consequences of my decisions as easily as ill accept the praise for them there have been times in my life when ive made mistakes yes i try to never make the same mistake twice then you lie to yourself you do not know your shortcomings i have clearly shown one of your shortcomings if not two that is ignorance of the bible and the arrogance you demonstrate butchering it without even knowing its contents i regard christ as a myth because you have been too prideful to examine the record of him for yourself and to demonstate your lack of support for your conclusion i bet you do not even know what the word christ means or which prophet used christ to describe the son of man i feel that there are far too many people offering far too many interpretations of what he supposedly said and did the only person who can really judge me is me yes i agree with that so we must learn first read the bible come up with our own interpretation evaluate what is being said and by whom check the history books as well compare someone elses interpretation with your own then make a judgment but i tell you the truth 99 of what is being said in the bible needs interpretation as much as a coffee cup needs interpretation and remember the bible isnt a gurus esoteric guide to metaphysics it doesnt take a theologian to understand what is being said the bible is a bunch of testimonies from people like you and i addressed to people like you and i these guys wrote down what they saw and heard is it their open diary and they want to tell you something and because they want you to know something they make it very clear what they want you to know they didnt encouch their ideas in esoteric rhetoric but in simple straight forward language i choose the roads i travel and i decide whether or not i want to reach the end of any given road or turn back and as long as i dont always turn back theres no shame in it when i need help i seek out my friends you have chosen the road that avoids the bible you have chosen the road that avoids a confrontation with the living god because that road doesnt look appealing to you you rather build your own road one that goes far away from that confrontation but be assured of this you will have to confront him one day willingly or unwillingly and you dont have a clue about what im saying either open your eyes and see open your ears and listen im not just spouting off empty words this is my life this is what gives me meaning i see what you mean i hear what your saying i am not degrading your life but i have heard the same irrational excuses for years there is nothing new in what you are saying and by your own words you are spouting off contradictions if contradictions give you meaning then your life must be sad i say my mother loves me how do i know you ask i can point to definite things shes done for me and i can even just bring her to you so you can ask her face to face you say your deity loves you how do you know i ask bingo for god so loved the world he gave his only begotton to son so that whososever belives in him will have ever lasting life i look what god did he has given his son even to his death so that i can have hope in his resurrection and know that life isnt for nothing but has glorious purpose you cant even convince me that it exists because you turn your eyes away from testimony and history you choose to lie to yourself that he doesnt exist for you ignore what has been said for thousands of years you sound exactly almost verbatim like the lazarus of jesuss story starting in luke 16 19 and the conclusion of that story is a bleak one lazarus wound up in hell the story ends like this for if lazarus doesnt even listen to moses and the prophets he wont even believe if a man rose from the dead if any god dangles heaven before me like a carrot promising untold pleasures to me if ill only suspend my disbelief and ignore my rationality for just this once then i would choose hell i can not lie to myself to placate another being no matter how powerful it is arrogance at its best the fact is you are not rational several specific cases have already been cited and again with this new statement you show more irrationality with regards to heaven jesus does tell you something of what to expect in heaven jesus expects you to use your brain to believe in him jesus does not expect you to placate either jesus wants you to willingly come to him but not as his grovelling slave but rather as his brother who will share in his glorious riches why do you not pick up the bible and read it for yourself you maintain you have an open mind see whether you are lying to yourself for yourself why would you want to live a good life to you you die and thats it dont contradict yourself you have no reason to live a good life it doesnt do you any good in the end your life doesnt do anybody else any good either because everyone dies anyway so you have no reason to lead a good life leading a good life is meaningless why do you do such a meaningless thing that paragraph demonstrates that you havent listened to a single word ive said i do understand what you said but thats is not what i feel went amiss here you missed the point living a good life has no eternal consequences once they close the amusement park of life to you that is the end to you it is over to you therefore your time spent in the amusement park is meaningless it has no eternal consequences to you nor to anyone left on earth but then you contradict yourself from a previous post you said doing evil things is bad to you it shouldnt matter if you do evil things or good things it is all meaningless in the end anyway so go rob a bank go tell someone you dislike that he is a dirty rotten slime bag whats restraining you life after all has no eternal consequences and accountability is irrelevant in the same way i think life is fun and i dont intend to leave the amusement park of life until they close down for the night d at which time you are truly not the master of yourself im sorry i dont feel that sacrificing jesus was something any god id worship would do unless the sacrifice was only temporary in which case its not really all that important has the resurrection sunk in jesus is alive jesus is not dead so you and your holy book say by the same token therefore santa claus delivers toys every xmas dont you see i have no reason to believe that what you say is true please give me some reason that i cant similarly apply to santa claus you have every reason to believe that what jesus says and the witnesses of jesus say are true but you choose to be unreasonable and ignore the reasons by definition ignorance santa claus is said to live at the north pole and have a squad of elves and flying reindeer ever see a flying reindeer has anyone in human history seen a flying reindeer has anyone seen a reindeer whose nose blinks red on the other hand are people born in bethlehem was nebuchandezzar really a king was daniel really one of his court officials were david and solomon really kings of israel and judah was their really a king called jehoachin did sennecherib really attack jerusalem 600 years before christ did sennacherib really lose his battle and badly was there really a caiaphas who interrogated jesus yes yes yes history verifies it it is nonfiction do you have a problem discerning truth from fiction perhaps you cant evaluate the context of grimms fairy tales apart from that of the scientific american i suppose you treat both with equal truthfulness or equal falsity is this what you are telling me or is it that just do want to read the scientific american and find out that its not a fairy tale are you thereby inferring that your deity is nothing more than a collection of verses in a book and cannot be supported without invoking them get real have you ever been to zaire do you have to go there to be assured that there really is such a place given your irrationality i take it you have never used a map in your life why do you believe what you believe given the overwhelming evidence as well as my personal experience with the living god id be an irrational unreasoning ignorant fool if i didnt follow jesus windows hercules graphite has anyone used a hercules graphite adapter it looks good on paper and steve gibson gave it a very good review in infoworld id love to get a real world impression though how is the speed drivers support looking for something to replace this ati ultra with tom haapanen tomh metrics com software metrics inc waterloo ont stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth now pull up thats how the corrado makes you feel car january 93 baseball re whats with all these scores in article 1qplh7 e2g agate berkeley edu jtchern ocf berkeley edu joseph hernandez writes in article 1qp1m9innfjg senator bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes in article 1993apr17 050311 10098 news yale edu sean garrison writes stuff about upated inning scores deleted at just that exact time to see the message even results after the game is over are not necessary thanks to mr hernandez who posts daily standings and results here every day am i supposed to take that as a compliment or a put down just wondering it was meant entirely 100 as a compliment i do this as a service to the entire baseball world on usenet especially for those in the east coast who cant get final scores for west coast games in their newspapers or late tv newscasts this is helpful to fans in other countries who either receive only weekly scores or updates by the week also many have requested for this kind of service previously but it was only available through bbss or some pay news services by the way mine is free of charge and has no copyright restrictions i was not trying to criticize your service at all in fact i was trying to encourage others to use it i dont personally use it but im sure others do and that was my point in posting there is no need for individuals to duplicate in an ad hoc fashion what you have already organized if you want to send updates and scores set up a private mailing list and use that remember i only post final scores and the updated standings once a day to the rec sport baseball newsgroup other than that everything is done through private e mail currently there are 986 people on my mailing list that branches off into other mailing lists available for many others and the list grows by an average of 35 people a day having one person such as yourself who does it is a great idea having 100 do it is not thats all keep up the good work joseph charles cars re sho and sc in article 1993apr15 232412 2261 ganglion ann arbor mi us david ganglion ann arbor mi us david hwang writes in article 5214 unisql uucp wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes in article chrissc587qb d1b netcom com chriss netcom com chris silvester writes wagon which i have heard is somehow slightly faster than the coupe wagon has an automatic its slower could be due to the rear end ratio also usually automatics have different rear ends than manuals from my limited experience anyways youll have fun looking for the rear end gears on an sho the taurus is a front wheel drive vehicle i went back and checked the article again the sho wagon is quicker than the sho automatic but significantly slower than the real sho why anyone would order an sho with an automatic transmission is beyond me if you cant handle a stick you should stick with a regular taurus and leave the sho to real drivers that is not to say that there arent real drivers who cant use the stick eg disabled persons but they arent in any position to use an sho anyway i would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic transmissions from all performance type cars like the 5 0l mustangs camaros and the like wed cut down on the number of accidents each year autos are fine for sedate little sedans but they have no business in performance cars imho james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven guns re proper gun control what is proper gun control was re my gun is like my american express card in article 15240077 iftccu ca boeing com bressler iftccu ca boeing com rick bressler writes iftccu talk politics guns hays ssd intel com kirk hays 3 31 pm apr 13 1993 some of the pro gun posters in this group own no guns the dread terminator aka the rifleman owned no firearms for several years while posting in this group as an example there are others good point kirk hes still around too hes responded by email to a couple of my posts and gosh darn hes gotten down right civil this happed about the time he got his first firearm wonder if there is a relationship here turns out that most people at least the ones who are not criminals to start with act responsibility once given the chance id like to point out that i was in error terminator began posting only six months before he purchased his first firearm according to private email from him i cant produce an archived posting of his earlier than january 1992 and he purchased his first firearm in march 1992 i guess it only seemed like years back to your regularly scheduled flame fest kirk hays nra life seventh generation the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing edmund burke 1729 1797 windows re leaking memory resources in 3 1 dmittleman bpavms bpa arizona edu daniel mittleman writes this may be an faq if so please direct me to the known answer but i am getting frustrated and looking for help i am running win 3 1 with ndw 2 2 on a 486sx with 8 meg of memory and a 6 meg perm swap file and am getting exceedingly frustrated that my applications are not giving back system resources when i close them ive noticed this also the way it was explained to me is that windows does not clear the upper memory blocks after a program is done anyone out there know if this is why guns armed citizen april 93 the armed citizen mere presence of a firearm without a shot being fired prevents crime in many instances as shown by news reports sent to the armed citizen shooting usually can be justified only where crime constitutes an immediate imminent threat to life or limb or in some circumstances property the accounts below are from clippings sent in by nra members anyone is free to quote or reproduce them retired las vegas deputy police chief larry bolden initially tried to defend himself with a steering wheel bar lock when a criminal attacked him in his car but then the intruder wrestled it from him bolden pulled his pistol and fired several times wounding his attacker and stopping the incident he was just a citizen defending himself a police official said the review journal las vegas nev 11 11 92 a pair of teenaged robbers armed with a sawed off shotgun and handguns took the days receipts from brooklyn bodega owner hector martinez as they made their getaway martinez grabbed his registered 12 gauge shotgun and gave chase when one fired martinez returned three blasts slightly wounding his assailants they fled but were apprehended when they sought medical attention newsday long island n y 01 05 93 a sign posted on the door of roman paras shop reads the owners of this property are armed and highly skilled to protect life liberty and property from criminal attack apparently a pair of robbers didnt pause to read it as they threatened paras wife in their oxnard calif convenience store hearing her scream paras grabbed his 38 ran to the front of the store and shot it out with the masked and armed men killing one criminal the times los angeles calif 12 04 92 anne marie sullivan was showering in her portland oreg home one morning when she heard the front door crash in she jumped out of the shower in time to see a man entering the home running to the bedroom sullivan retrieved her boyfriends pistol and fired two shots mortally wounding the intruder the dead man had a lengthy police and prison record the oregonian portland oreg 01 07 93 mike baranelli would have let two robbers who burst into a birmingham ala barber shop keep his money but the 75 year old retired teacher was unwilling to surrender his life when the intruders ordered baranelli the shop owner and another man to lie on the floor baranelli pulled his pistol and shot both men in the head killing one i felt sure there was going to be three dead people in there i think i had some divine help baranelli said the sunday advertiser montgomery ala 01 03 93 believing an elderly harvey ill couple would again be easy prey a knife wielding home invader instead met death when the 76 year old homeowner loosed three rounds from a semi automatic pistol police said the dead man had been charged several times for thefts from the couples home the star chicago heights ill 01 07 93 the criminals profile was scheduled to appear on americas most wanted but his shot at fame was abruptly canceled by a hallandale fla service station clerk the michigan prison escapee walked into the station and announced a robbery instead of cash he got bullets in the head and chest from station clerk gary mcvey police said mcvey acted in self defense and would not face charges the sun sentinel ft lauderdale fla 12 04 92 a bridgeport conn oil delivery man handed over the few dollars he had but the thug apparently unsatisfied with his take turned his gun on his victim and demanded more money instead of more cash the deliveryman instead pulled his own pistol and fired mortally wounding the robber police said the dead man had held up a nearby market just before the fatal incident the courant hartford conn 01 13 93 after repeated burglaries at her san marcos calif home joan vessel 64 was ready with a 38 and a cordless phone when she heard glass breaking one afternoon when she found two teenagers attempting to get into her woodshed vessel fired a warning shot over their heads marched them into the front yard and called police the times advocate escondido calif 12 25 92 angry that his auto insurance had been canceled a client used brass knuckles to take it out on brandon fla agent steven taylor when his assailant walked out of the office taylor grabbed a pistol kept there and held the former client at gun point until police arrived the tribune tampa fla 01 14 93 dozing one evening at his exeter pa office jim pisano was awakened by the barking of his dog sitting in stunned amazement he watched as two men smashed out his office window reached in and grabbed one of his hunting rifles reaching a pistol on his desk pisano fired several shots apparently wounding one of the burglars and putting them to flight the times leader wilkes barre pa 12 09 92 trying on a pair of shoes was just an act for a criminal who then pulled a knife and demanded money when the man advanced the flint mich shoestore owner drew his pistol and fired critically wounding the would be robber the journal flint mich 01 13 93 disarmed and pistol whipped after struggling with a pair of shotgun toting thugs brooklyn n y pharmacist soel melero continued fighting and managed to retrieve a second also licensed hidden pistol firing three times the druggist killed one of his assailants the other fled empty handed the daily news new york n y 01 18 93 ron phillips crphilli hound dazixca ingr com senior customer engineer intergraph electronics 381 east evelyn avenue voice 415 691 6473 mountain view ca 94041 fax 415 691 0350 religion re christians above the law was clarification of pe in article 1993apr21 234159 1206 ualr edu nunnally acs harding edu john nunnally writes when are we going to hear a christian answer to this question in paraphrase on what or whose authority do christians proclaim that they are above the law and above the prophets 7 major and 12 minor and not accountable to the ten commandments of which jesus clearly spoke his opinion in matthew 5 14 19 what is the source of this pseudo doctrine who is the pseudo teacher who is the great deceiver ok heres at least one christians answer jesus was a jew not a christian in this context matthew 5 14 19 makes sense matt 5 17 do not think that i jesus came to abolish the law or the prophets i did not come to abolish but to fulfill jesus lived under the jewish law however he was the culmination of the promises of the prophets he came to fulfill the prophecies and fully obey gods purposes verse 18 says for truly i say to you until heaven and earth pass away not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law until all is accomplished the key to this verse imho is the last phrase jesus as the fulfillment of the law accomplished what the law was supposed to accomplish jesus did not say that he was the fulfillment of the law and unless im mistaken heaven and earth have not yet passed away am i mistaken and even assuming that one can just gloss over that portion of the word of jesus do you really think that all is accomplished verse 19 whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments and so teaches others shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven but whoever keeps and teaches them he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven taken in the context of jesus teaching jewish people about living lives under the law this makes sense then why didnt jesus say any jew who annuls in v 19 are you saying that all of jesus recorded words mean nothing to gentiles are you really saying that jesus only spoke for and to the jews jesus didnt mention your name does that mean he wasnt speaking to you when you read the words of jesus do you think he is speaking to someone other than you in general it appears that jesus is responding to some criticism he must have received about doing away with the law that was not jesus intent at all you said above that jesus was the fulfillment of the law are you saying that does not mean doing away with the law he had come to earth to live the law as it should be lived and fulfill the promises made by god to his people all the way back to eve gen 3 15 the serpent will bruise your heel but he will bruise his head gen3 15 jps i will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and hers they shall strike at your head and you shall strike at their heel gen3 15 nrsv i will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and hers he will strike your head and you will strike his heel gen3 15 kjv and i will put enmity between thee and the woman and between thy seed and her seed it shall bruise thy head and thou shalt bruise his heel looks like your translation has taken a few liberties with the word jesus appeared to be doing away with the law because he did not honor the traditions of men as equal to the law of god he regularly locked horns with the religious leaders of the day because he would not conform to their rules only gods law in the matthew passage jesus is defending his dedication to the law and defending himself against his accusors almost the entire sermon on the mount matt 5 7 is dedicated to helping the jewish people understand the true intent of the law sweeping away the clutter which had been introduced by the pharasees and their traditions only helping the jewish people in galatians 3 23 26 paul describes the relationship of jesus to the law in this way 23 but before faith came we were kept in custody under the law being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed 24 therefore the law has become our tutor to lead us to christ that we may be justified by faith 25 but now that faith has come we are no longer under a tutor 26 for you are all sons of god through faith in christ jesus i believe this says that after christ was revealed the law had served its purpose i e our tutor to lead us to christ and now we are no longer under a tutor the law has been fulfilled as christ said he would do you are using your interpretation of paul as an argument against the clear words of jesus god the author of the old law and the christ man jesus are the same personality therefore the old law and the new testament the last will and testament of jesus are based on the same moral principles it makes sense that many of the principles in the old law are re expressed in christianity re expressed care to define that a bit better on the other hand now that the law has fulfilled its purpose and what are heaven and earth gone away where did they go is all accomplished for example revelations explain please christians relate to god through christ not the law it also makes sense that new practices and new symbolisms were established to represent the mysteries of this new relationship i e baptism representing christs death burial and resurrection rom 6 3 8 the lords supper as a memorial to his sacrifice i cor 11 26 and sunday as a day of worship commemorating his resurrection matt 28 1ff acts 20 7 again your interpretation of paul versus the clear word of jesus do you see any problems here when did heaven and earth go away when was all accomplished ok thats one christians explanation i dont claim to have all these issues completely settled even in my own mind and i welcome other christians to offer other alternatives please excuse the long posting thanks for your interest if you have read this far cars re warning please read in article c5jgc4 ajj dove nist gov keys starchild ncsl nist gov lawrence b keys writes i know that this isnt the group for it but since you brought it up does anyone have any idea why they havent bombed the waco cult perhaps it is because witnesses who have left the compound have all testified that the batf shot first they they did not identify themselves before tossing in concussion grenades not that anyone inside could have heard such identification after being near a concussion grenade and the announcement from the batf that they have sealed the warrant under which they were operating which was a search warrant by the way not an arrest warrant in short perhaps because the batf is wildly out of control and perhaps calmer heads have realized that bombing a compound full of woman and children will not improve their position there is a real chance that koresh will be able to prove self defense in court that will leave what four officers dead and no one to blame but the batf followups directed to alt activism where the discussion has raged nearly as long as the seige and which shows every sign of not giving up nearly as soon larry smith smith ctron com no i dont speak for cabletron need you ask liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want it is the freedom to do whatever we are able guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in article c5siaj ks7 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes so why didnt the bds leave when the gas was first introduced much earlier in the morning didnt they care about the children why didnt they release the children weeks ago because most of the children were with their parent s do you understand that concept heres a bunch of people who believe in their minds that the forces of satanic evil are outside and you expect them to hand over their own children were you born that stupid or does it take a lot of effort alan greig janet a greig uk ac dct dundee institute of technology internet a greig dct ac uk tel 0382 308810 int 44 382 308810 never underestimate the power of human stupidity windows looking for text search engine s im looking for any information regarding text search engines specifically id prefer source or binaries which will run in a ms windows and or unix environment scanning either flat files or common db structures references to pd shareware or commercial implementations welcome please reply via email ill summarize if desired thanx doc guns ffl gunsmithing questions i have a few questions id like to ask first how would someone me be able to get a dealers license and second besides dear old departed gramps where would i find a good place to learn gunsmithing all replies appreciated john guns flames on the net about flames in waco in article c5vgme goa usenet ucs indiana edu wwarf silver ucs indiana edu wa yne j warf writes in article c5v9fv krt news cso uiuc edu irvine uxh cso uiuc edu brent irvin e writes if you wont believe anything the government says and the press is not reliable according to the same logic then what do you base your statements on wild speculation laced with a healthy dose of paranoia are you a moron or just illiterate oh i forgot youre the guy that doesnt know microwave oven need electricity never mind and youre the guy that doesnt know that illiterate people cant write coherent sentences does that make you superior somehow steve steve casburn scasburn magnus acs ohio state edu across the page across the ages the moving hand of history pleads for a kinder eye to see us not as we are but as we dream mark king religion re new newsgroup soc religion islam ahmadiyya mr esam abdel rahem writes i urge you all to vote no to the formation of the news group ahmadya islam if they want to have their own group the word islam shouldnot be attached to the name of such group we dont consider them as muslims dr tahir ijaz comments on esam abdel rahems statement but the problem is we consider ourself to be muslims even though you dont luckily faith is determined by what one believes and is a personal matter you cannot declare the faith of someone else mr jawad ali then comments on tahir ijazs statement you are not considering the consequences of your argument the converse would be that the problem is that muslims dont consider ahmadies to be muslims who one considers to be ones co believer is also a personal matter it would be just as wrong to tell the muslims who should be included in their self defination the argument by jawad ali is funny he writes the converse would be that the problem is that muslims dont consider ahmadies to be muslims which is a wrong statement in the light of dr ijazs statement the above statement should be corrected is that some non ahmadi muslims dont consider ahmadi muslims as muslims so the problem does not get solved who is a muslims and who is not humans cannot decide humans may not declare others faiths its that simple i dont understand why the mere use of the word islam is becomming such a big issue i have seen numorous postings on the net on this subject and all they say no no you cannot use islam as the name of your newsgroup i havent seen a single posting stating what right do they have in declaring the name of others faiths who gives them this authority quran or hadith or something else i want to know this just a small reminder to all my muslim brothers did ever the holy prophet of islam muhammad pbuh say to anyone who called himself a muslim no you are not a muslim never i challenge all my muslim brothers to produce a single such evidence from the history of islam hence if the prophet muhammad could never do that to anyone how could the muslims mullahs or even governments of today do it to anyone do you consider yourself above the holy prophet muhammad pbuh sincerely nabeel note love for all views abeel ana hatred for none are e mail rana rintintin colorado edu mine windows re mathcad 4 0 swap file in article 1993apr20 175608 23949 ncar ucar edu baseball catch the fever scd ucar edu gregg walters writes i have 16mb of memory on my 386sx i have been running windows without a swap file for several months will mathcad 4 0 be happy with this or insist on a swap file i just got mathcad 4 0 and the manual is not clear on the matter on page 8 at least 4 megabytes of memory all memory about 640k should be configured as xms at least 8 megabytes of virtual memory common sense suggests that you should be able to run it 4 8 12 16 but the new mathcad is kinda kooky and thus is not subject to the laws of common sense dan daniel matthew coleman internet dcoleman utxvms cc utexas edu dcoleman ccwf cc utexas edu the university of texas at austin decnet utxvms dcoleman electrical computer engineering bitnet dcoleman utxvms bitnet medicine re depression i do believe that depression can have a dietary component depression can also have various chemical environmental components i noticed that i became depressed in various buildings and at home when the air conditioning was on subsequent testing revealed that i was allergic to stemphyllium a mold commonly found in air conditioners after i began taking antigens that problem disappeared bruce l religion re the list of biblical contradictions joslin pogo isp pitt edu david joslin writes im curious to know what purpose people think these lists serve lists like this seem to value quantity over quality an argument from article length and the list you have here is of poorer quality than most i agree which is why ive asked for help with it the reason im working on this list is because ive recently had one too many christians tell me the bible contains no contradictions whatsoever they believe that its true and that it describes reality perfectly and even predicts history before it happens before i can carry on any sort of meaningful conversation with these people ive got to show them with concrete evidence that the bible is not nearly as airtight as they thought i hope to do that with this list specifically when i bring up the fact that genesis contains two contradictory creation stories i usually get blank stares or flat denials ive never had a fundamentalist acknowledge that there are indeed two different accounts of creation brian kendig je ne suis fait comme aucun bskendig netcom com de ceux que jai vus jose croire netre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent the meaning of life si je ne vaux pas mieux au moins je suis autre is that it ends rousseau baseball cubs behind marlins how ive noticed that is has become fashionable lately in rsb to predict the marlines to finish ahead of the cubs how first base grace vs destrade could destrade be the second coming of cecil fielder i doubt it if destrade performs to the height of expectations then even otherwise edge to cubs second base sandberg vs barberie no contest sandberg will be back may 1 edge to cubs a big edge shortstop vizcaino vs weiss vizcaino is excellent defensively but is an automatic out at bat weiss isnt much better with the stick even third base dave magadan vs buechelle magadan has a higher obp and is a better hitter buechelle has more power and is better defensively i think edge to florida catcher santiago vs wilkins wilkins is ok but santiago is better edge to marlins left field conine vs maldonado wow 4 for 4 yesterday i know conine has potential i watched him play at omaha the last couple years until he actually proves himself i give maldonado the edge however like at 1b this is position where florida might be even or better if the player there has a huge year center scott pose vs wilson may edge to may even if wilson hopefully the cubs will use may and save wilson for pinch running and the like may isnt ken griffey jr but he will hit 275 with 15 homers if he plays full time right felix vs sosa felix jose has occasional power and a bad obp so does sosa but sosa also has speed and a good glove edge to cubs starters aquino armstrong hammond a lot of fifth starters here the cubs wont remind anyone of the brave staff but morgan castillo guzman hibbard is average to ok better than the marline edge to cubs middle relief even the cubs have some decent middlemen and so do the marlins carpenter anf klink or decent but so are assenmacher and mcelroy closer a healthy harvey is a big edge to the marlins meyers is decent but no harvey of course the cubs may have a few more games to save look for 30 saves 5 blown from meyers and 25 saves 3 blown with a better era for harvey edge florida overall an edge to chicago neither of these teams will threaten to win anything of course e msilverm nyx cs du edu go cubs one likes to believe in the freedom of baseball geddy lee guns waco fire flash over is a frequent occurrence with indoor fires a fire will start small and in one location and heat the air the temperature in the room builds up and then everything inflammable in the room catches fire at once this may have occurred in the bd compound i have heard reports that the windows were covered which would permit a fire to start unnoticed by those outside the compound when the fire got big enough and broke through the walls it appeared to be started in two places but was really one big fire because of the large quantities of tear gas inserted into the building it is possible that many of the women and children were in a room free of tear gas they would try to seal the door to keep out the tear gas when they learned that a fire had broken out it was too late for them to escape they were trapped by the flames in their safe room i find it hard to believe that the fbi was not recording the final assault i think that they would have wanted to have tapes to show their agents of the the fbi overcoming the forces of evil aka the branch davidians the tapes would also allow the fbi to prove that they were not using excessive force rod anderson n0nzo the only acceptable substitute boulder co for brains is silence rcanders nyx cs du edu solomon short satellite n0nzo on ao 16 cars re manual shift bigots in article pebi 735631265 zephyr aem umn edu pebi aem umn edu peter a bidian writes there is another advantage with manuals you can start the car by pushing it and shifting into second gear this doesnt work with an automatic peter just for the record read your owners manual before attempting a push start most manufacturers today do not recommend this i think the catalytic converter is the primary reason unburned gas goes down to it and may ignite when the converter gets into its operating range the best reason for a manual because you like to drive one i find that its much easier to develop lazy habits in an auto trans car remember pay attention out there stupidity behind the wheel has still taken more people to the morgue than drunk driving the problem is that we dont revoke peoples license for stupidity jeff goss windows re re challenge to microsoft supporters in article c716ra igc feenix metronet com jack feenix metronet com jack hudler writes still after the impact of all the itos at ibm all thats left of its employee base are the deadbeats i suspect well see 2 1 about 1st quarter 94 boy are you going to look silly in a couple of weeks brett d sherron ferrell email bferrell uceng uc edu u of cincy catch the cats college of engineering if you can baseball re pleasant yankee surprises in article 1993apr15 175302 25180 sarah albany edu js8484 albnyvms bitnet writes in article 120399 netnews upenn edu sepinwal mail sas upenn edu alan sepinwall writes 1 spike owen sure hes hitting like crazy but the guy cannot field to save his life and they said he was brought in to provide defense velarde stankiewicz and even silvestri are better defensively than owen remember its still early look for his offense to tail off and his defense to improve hopefully he has that rep because i heard that either last year or over the last 5 years or something like that he has the third highest fielding percentage among major league shortstops behind c r and tony im not gonna help this sorry mets team at all fernandez i do agree though that he has not looked all that impressive in the field thus far owen only has one error so far i believe that seriously underrepresents the harm he has done in the field owen will cleanly play any ball he reaches he will have a fine fielding percentage like always the problem is that he doesnt reach anything that isnt hit straight at him this wouldnt be quite as obvious a problem if he were playing next to kelly gruber or robin ventura but the third baseman for the yankees is wade boggs who should have moved across the diamond last year ive only seen one game abbotts first start but there were three balls hit to the left side which would have been stopped by quality defensive players instead they were charged as hits against abbott cheers valentine medicine what about sci med chemistry there is this newsgroup sci med physics and there has been quite a lot discussion in this group about many chemical items e g prolactin cholesterol tsh etc should there also be a newsgroup sci med chemistry antero julkunen dept clinical chemistry university of kuopio finland e mail julkunen messi uku fi phone 358 71 162680 fax 358 71 162020 windows re more cool bmp files in article 1993apr24 062055 7123 seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes begin cut here begin 666 ntreal bmp m0dtv5p 8 h m p a f cd 56 d d m4pa 4h p l 1 u n l0 4wa j 0 b h 9tj3 kkzp 0 m td4i zgb0 uh 0a 6e i 4b i bbzx e1 bv deleted a lot of stuff how do you convert this to a bit map youre supposed to delete everything above the cut here mark and below the lower cut here mark and uudecode it but i was not able to unexpected end of file encountered at the last line could you please re post it or tell be what im doing wrong sounds like the original poster of the bitmap uuencoded the file on a dos machine and you tried to uudecode it on a un x machine and your uudecode program balked at the carraige returns medicine re 3 aids related questions in article 93088 130924pxf3 psuvm psu edu pxf3 psuvm psu edu paula ford writes we know ours is not hiv and people need it i think my husband should give blood especially because his is o and i understand thats a very useful blood type its o that is especially useful still he isnt punishing the red cross but some o person that needed his blood and couldnt get it you are right nagging probably wont help gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon guns re we knew it would happen in talk politics guns jagst18 pitt edu josh a grossman writes well josh i agree with you to some respect less your spelling errors the govmnt always must win even if they kill every man women and child by god they must win at all costs this happens over and over and over in this country lets make excuses get the worthless press to cover up everything let the officials take the heat for top management stupidity etc etc i am sick with greif for the entire well being of this nation and the constitution in claims to protect later josh later morty cars lexus and infiniti first off the correct spelling of nissans luxury automobile division is infiniti not infinity i would also like to clear up the question of what kind of engines power lexus and infiniti automobiles since a person had remarked in earlier posts that most lexus and infiniti models had v6 engines while at the same time saying that several of each manufacturer used v8 engines lexus ls400 v8 gs300 v6 es300 v6 sc400 v8 sc300 v6 infiniti q45 v8 j30 v6 g20 inline 4 i must admit that i cannot remeber for sure here i hope this helps bsb guns re gritz jbs liberty lobby larouche christic insitute libertarian in article 93105 230230u23590 uicvm uic edu u23590 uicvm uic edu writes note that bo gritz was on the populist party ticket with david duke for veep in 1988 until he found out that duke was leading he ticket when he withdrew his candidacy so gritz gave up his chance to be vice president of the us just to aviod supporting duke id hardly call that giving up his chance to be vice president of the us the chance of the populist party ticket winning is essentially nil still it does imply that he doesnt want to be associated with duke robert guns re arlen specters address in article 1993apr23 002908 24394 nntpd lkg dec com williams bagels enet dec com bryan h williams writes in article 16bb89c7d r1328 vmcms csuohio edu r1328 vmcms csuohio edu writes in article 1993apr22 142540 20687 icd ab com kdw icd ab com kenneth d whitehead writes anybody got arlen spectres address i want to write to him and thank him for showing the leadership to demand a congressional investigation into the waco mess if i had arlens address i would go to his house do weasels live in houses or in holes and personally tell him what a pathetic idiot he is arlen is the personification of the word jerk snip im no fan of arlen spectres but he did the right thing and attacking his motives in this case is wrong pardon me here but i dont trust spectres motives here at all spectre was a major part of the warren commission remember the magic bullet theory and is not to be trusted if theres even the tiniest chance the guvmint may have done something wrong if he gets a chance im afraid he will satisfy the public outcry with another whitewash unfortunately if some of us get our wish and the batf is disbanded or folded into the fbi etc we may end up with a more efficient agency than the bumbling and competition we have today some agents should be fired some should be prosecuted but keep them as bumbling as possible we retain more of our liberties that way right on the money here we should certainly applaud the disbanding of the bartf but we must stress the personal responsibility of the goons who set up the assault on american citizens we must not count on spectre though to get it done rjl rich loether snail mail university of pittsburgh the ideas email rjl pitt edu computing and info services mine voice 412 624 6429 600 epsilon drive all fax 412 624 6426 pittsburgh pa 15238 mine medicine re getting aids from acupuncture needles matthews oswego edu harry matthews writes i had electrical pulse nerve testing done a while back the needles were taken from a dirty drawer in an instrument cart and were most certainly not sterile or even clean for that matter more than likely they were fresh from the previous patient i was concerned but i kept my mouth shut i probably should have raised hell could you describe in more detail the above procedure ive never heard about it and yes if they pierced you with the needles you probably should have protested euclid euclid k standard disclaimers apply it is a bit ironic that we need the wave model of light to understand the propagation of light only through that part of the system where it leaves no trace hudson nelson university physics religion what was koreshs messsage dear netters i am wondering about the accident of koresh i have heard different explanations without any explanation about your opinions and believes please kindly tell me 1 what was koresh talking about or what was his message 2 what was the main reason that government went in war with koresh some say that due to tax payment thanks in advance for your historical explanation kaamran religion re is it good that jesus died in article 1993apr21 231552 24869 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 wrote kent i am not accusing you of evil things jesus is accusing you and it is not only you that he is accusing he is accusing everyone me you and everyone in the world is guilty whether one sees the light or does not seen the light has nothing to do with whether we do evil things we do them regardless hmm it seems that this is the core of christianity then you have to feel guilty and then theres this single personality that will save you from this universal guilt feeling brian i will tell you a secret i dont feel guilty at all i do mistakes and i regret them however ive never had this huge guilt feeling hanging over my shoulder if things happen wrong i will try to learn from the mistakes and go on this all is a very clear indication that you need a certain personality type in order to believe and adjust to certain religious doctrines and if your personality type is opposite then you are not that easily attached to a certain world view system so do you see jesuss point christians are not perfect nonchristians are not perfect nonchristians do not want to come into the light of jesus because they will see all the problems in their lives and they will not like the sight it is an ugly thing to see how far we have fallen from jesuss perspective do you think you want to know how really ignorant you are do you think brian kendig wants to know do you think i want to know ego verses the truth which do you choose all i know is that i dont know everything and frankly speaking i dont care life is fun anyway i recognize that im not perfect but that does not hinder me from have a healthy and inspiring life there are humans that subscribe to the same notion the nice thing is that when you finally shake off this huge burden the shoulders feel far more relaxed cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net baseball gross grosses out dodger fans again went to the dodgers game tonight it was cap night astacio pitched ok but had control trouble all night in the first he walked a batter balked him to second then a single scored the run with the batter taking second on the throw home another single made the score 2 0 cards lasorda tried a new line up featuring butler reed and piazza batting third darryl and eric were benched in favor of snyder and webster piazza homered in the first to make the score 2 1 cards the dodgers tied the game in the second on a two out single by offerman by the fourth inning astacio had already made about 80 pitches but the score was still 2 2 the dodger defense made several impressive plays piazza looked great behind the plate gunning down a runner trying to steal second throwing a runner out at first who had strayed a bit from first base etc karros also made a spectacular play keeping a ball from going into the outfield the runner on first was so sure that ball was going through he just kept running past second karros got up and threw to third and easily got the runner at third my heart sank in the 7th when gross got up to warm up in the bullpen astacio was lifted for a pinch hitter and when gross entered the game with the score still 2 2 dodger fans just knew it was over gross was relieving because he stunk on tuesday pitching just 2 1 3 innings forcing lasorda to use much of his bullpen the 15 inning game had the same effect the next night so only gross was fresh given his light work out tuesday gross lived up to his name he walked the first batter gave up a hit to the second and walked the bases loaded after a grounder resulted in a force at home zeile lifted a scoring fly ball to make it 3 2 cards gross paid little attention to the runners and the next thing you knew the cards had stolen a fourth run the runner on first was eventually tagged out in the run down but the 4th run had scored long before that meanwhile the dodgers mounted little offense after the second inning lee smith pitched the ninth he had little trouble getting karros and wallach does anyone have trouble with wallach these days cory snyder collected his first hit as a dodger a single but that was all the offense the dodgers could mount smith got his third straight save against the dodgers and all i got was my free dodger cap and a good look at piazza if piazza keeps this up all year he will be a strong candidate for rookie of the year honors though its really early karros is already showing signs of a sophomore jinx year the final score cardinals 4 runs on 7 hits dodgers 2 runs on 7 hits dodger guns definition of 2nd the debate over the second amendment rages on arguments continue over what a well regulated militia is and what trkba means in practical terms however the only authority in this area is a binding court decision on the matter even a decision in this area is subject to an overturning by a higher court is there anyone who has the facts of a legal precedent preferably a supreme court decision on the specific meaning of the 2nd amendment medicine re legality of placebos calzone athena mit edu wrote how is it that placebos are legal it would seem to me that if as a patient you purchase a drug youve been prescribed and its just sugar or whatever theres a few legal complications that arise 1 if you have been diagnosed with a condition and you arent given accepted treatment for it it seems like intentional medical malpractice a placebo is an accepted treatment at times 2 a placebo should fall legally under the label of quackery why not why should it placebos are effective under certain circumstances thats why theyre used actually i dont know know anyone who has actually gotten a sugar pill i dont know how it could be done since prescription drugs are always labeled and its easy enough to find out whats in a pill if you have the name its more common to prescribe a drug which is effective for something just not for what you have antibiotics for viral infections are the most common such placebo 3 getting what you pay for deceptive bait and switch to an extreme false advertising what if mcdonalds didnt put 100 pure beef in their hamburgers im not sure what you mean by this what do you think youre paying for youre not entitled to a prescription drug just because you pay for a doctors appointment jack hamilton kd6ttl jfh netcom com po box 281107 sf ca 94128 usa cars re nissan nomenclature was re manual shift bigots wanted the european version is called 200 sx and have a 1 8 liter engine with turbo and have more power than the us version 169 hp it goes from 0 to 100 km h in 7 5 sec and have a top speed of 225 km h 140 miles h i just purchased one new and i am looking for a repair book i could not find one in france and germany does anybody knows where to find one is there one in the uk probabaly no use to look in the us as the 240 sx have here a different motor i am very pleased with the car and have no problem with it but like to have good technical documentation about the car i own regards guns re reasonable for criminals civie arms limits in article 1993apr19 223925 2342 gnv ifas ufl edu jrm gnv ifas ufl edu writes a poster claims he always asks anti gunners what they think would be reasonable personal firepower restrictions ok then caliber not greater than 32 muzzle not greater than 300 ft lbs with any combo of bullet wt vel action single shot rifles and single action revolvers revolvers bearing no more than six rounds and incorporating an anti fanning mechanism to discourage roy rogers wannabes bullets any non explosive variety hps just fine now these specs leave the 32 h r magnum as about the most powerful allowable civie cartridge for handgun or rifle use it would be reasonably effective against home intruders muggers rabid wolves and other such nasties even with the firearm type limitations at the same time this caliber power limit would reduce the ultimate lethality of hits i suspect that you think that this is less lethal than the typical assault weapon you are wrong compared to what most criminals use a 9mm with military ammo fmjs or a military rifle use is extremely rare 223 or 7 62mm with military ammo fmjs the 32 h r magnum with civie bullets is more lethal most of the arms which criminals and the military use are among the least lethal arms in existance what if we just punish the criminal and leave the law abiding citizen alone it hasnt been tried in recient times but it might work guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news in article c4tr3m eqw magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes on the other hand we can draw lessons from neighbors who are more culturally similar namely the canadians i dont think such a canada is any more culturally similar to the united states than england in terms of laws regarding individual rights restrictions on police searches etc all closely related to crime canadian laws parallel englands and differ greatly from those of the united states in fact an exhaustive seven year study has already been done of the respective crime rates of vancouver british columbia and seattle washington cities with roughly the same population urban economy geography and crime but with decidedly different approaches to gun control actually they do not have roughly the same urban economy and extremely different ethnic composition over the seven year study 388 homicides occurred in seattle 11 3 per 100 000 vs 204 homicides in vancouver 6 9 per 100 000 after adjustment for differences in age and sex among the populations the relative risk of being a victim of homicide in seattle as compared to vancouver was found to be 1 63 however if you account for economic and ethnic differences the difference disappears completely seattles minorities are predominatly poor while vancouvers are middle or upper class the rates for whites in both cities were found to be identicle while the rate for poor seattle minorities was almost three times as great as for the well to do minorities of vancouver the pattern seems to be one of poverty and race relations not one of gun control the authors of the report also investigated legally justifiable homicides self defense only 32 such homicides occurred during the seven year study 11 of which were committed by police only 21 cases of civilians acting in self defense occurrred that is a gross distortion self defense does not mean killing the attacker there were 21 cases of civilians killing their attacker in self defence but such cases represent less that 0 5 of the crimes prevented by armed self defence for every case you cite there were over 200 other cases of self defence where the crime was prevented but the attacker was not killed 0 5 by the way is the most conservative possible figure based on the national crime surveys estimate of 80 000 crimes prevented by armed self defence each year most other studies on the subject put the figure at 500 000 to 600 000 those figures would imply less than 0 08 of sucessful self defences involve killing the attacker so more correctly there over 4000 possibly as many as 25 000 cases of civilians acting in self defence only 21 of which resulted in the death of the attacker this is a significant factor in comparison to the 592 homicides if memory serves homicides make up approximately 1 of the violent crimes the study considered so the fair comparison would be 40 250 homicides prevented and 592 homicides clearly the study can not be close to accurate since it ignored these cases of self defence frank crary cu boulder guns re clinton wants national id card aka ussr style internal passport in article 66767 mimsy umd edu tms cs umd edu tom swiss not swift not suiss swiss writes johnston cyberia win net robert johnston writes how bout we embed the card in the forhead of everyones skull cant lose it without being already dead ergo no need for treatment close at birth we implant a smart chip just behind the ear under the skin but above the skull we incase it in a hypo allergenic high carbon content glass this chip would be reprogrammed as we age with the pertinent medical correctional taxational data behave yourself or well input it into your permenant record you forgot the part about encasing it in a small shaped charge so that if anyone tries to tamper with it it explodes and kills you oh and the shaped charge can be set off by remote control but only if you get out of line properly patriotic citizens have nothing to fear at algors insistance the shaped charge will automatically detonate after thirty years a la logans run in order to maintain population control john townsend reduce reuse engineering modeling mead data central reuse uunet meaddata johnt 9595 springboro pike recycle johnt meaddata com miamisburg oh 45342 software 513 865 7250 guns re fyi batf reply on waco in article c5l480 k7u elite intel com dgw elite intel com dennis willson writes on march 8 i sent strongly worded letters critisizing the batf in their handling of the randy weaver and branch davidian cases to several politicians ore senators bob packwood and mark hatfield representative elizabeth furse and treasury secretary lloyd bentsen while i have never been a supporter of bob packwood i must admit that he seems to be the only one who has done anything but round file my letter well i didnt bother writing to boxer feinstein or eshoo the terrible trio who allegly represent me instead i wrote to bentsen my letter was not exactly strongly worded i simply stated that the batf approach was immoral military style assault firing into a house where they knew there were kids aparently bentsen forwarded my letter to the batf and they responded to me directly it follows the text of your reply pretty closely however i intend to send another letter directly to them in return prior to the service of the federal search warrant numerous efforts were made to locate and effect the arrest of david koresh away from the compound these efforts were unsuccessful even if david koresh had been arrested while away from the compound action would have been required against his followers who are just as violent as he during the subsequent search of the premises this section is not in the letter that i received the parts about atf logo and steenking badges or their loss of the element of surprise were not included either sincerely yours daniel m h l tt cant make out signature deputy director the same guy with the bad handwriting apparently signed my letter for richard l garner chief special operations division don windows re more cool bmp files begin cut here begin 666 ntreal bmp m0dtv5p 8 h m p a f cd 56 d d m4pa 4h p l 1 u n l0 4wa j 0 b h 9tj3 kkzp 0 m td4i zgb0 uh 0a 6e i 4b i bbzx e1 bv deleted a lot of stuff how do you convert this to a bit map youre supposed to delete everything above the cut here mark and below the lower cut here mark and uudecode it but i was not able to unexpected end of file encountered at the last line could you please re post it or tell be what im doing wrong thanks i a mickey pe michael panayiotakis louray seas gwu edu ace uunet seas gwu edu louray how do make a ms windows grp file reflect a hd directory well i aint always right but ive never been wrong gd cars re warning please read in article 24553 drutx att com klf druwa att com franklinkl writes in article c5srib 6ah constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes i normally have an unloaded colt delta in my glove box with a loaded magazine handy which is perfectly legal in oklahoma for those times that im travelling inter state i keep an unloaded s w 44 magnum revolver in the glove box with a speed loader in my pocket which is legal everywhere under federal law illinois state police be hanged carrying a pistol loaded or unloaded in the glove compartment is considered carrying a concealed weapon in colorado and is illegal without a concealed weapons permit unless the law has been changed recently carrying a weapon openly is legal in colorado but concealing it is illegal i read a newspaper account last year where police stopped a car on a traffic infraction and observed a 357 magnum revolver sitting on the seat the driver could not be cited for possessing or carrying the weapon because it was not concealed the article stated that if the gun had been discovered in the glove box it would have been considered a crime carrying in the glove box is not covered im not sure what i was thinking there it is legal in oklahoma on inter state travel as long as it is legal for you to own at your point of origination and destination the gun is carried in a locked compartment box glove box specifically excluded separate from the ammo it is legal under title 19 chapter 44 section 94 9 i forget and my copy of the regs is at home of the us code this unfortunately has not prevented the theft by state troopers of a certain state which shall remain nameless to protect the hopelessly stupid under that states law gee and i thought federal law overrode state law james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer im not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder 89 t bird sc its a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all hes ever gonna have will munny unforgiven windows re anyone heard of deltree it is the new command with dos 6 that allows you to erase your directory and all the files in it without first erasing the individual files dana wells ba yes another male dana wilfrid laurier u waterloo on urban geographers well5173 mach1 wlu ca plan it better cars re improvements in automatic transmissions i just wanted to know to wheelspin in an auto you keep the gear in n gas it then stick the gear in d ive never tried this but am sure it works but does this screw up the autobox were having a bit of a debate about it here cars re thoughts on the vw corrado vr6 in the ec the corrado vr6 is rated as best handling car this side of a 968 as it goes i just read an article in autocar motor comparing the vr6 to a ford probe later to be launched in the uk the vr6 is more powerful even more so coz its 2 9 instead of 2 8 in the ec and more fun to drive etc etc but the probe has a slightly smoother engine thanx mazda mx6 they sum it up as both cars are fast the vr6 is a bit more exhilirating to drive but only if youre prepared to work harder shaz windows re truetype fonts that display but do not print in article 1993apr17 134725 15882 mintaka lcs mit edu avinash silver lcs mit edu avinash chopde writes i just installed a new truetype font under ms windows 3 1 but though all the applications display the font correctly on the screen quite a few of them fail to print out the document correctly on a laserjet 4 non postscript printer when i use the font in coreldraw the document prints correctly so i assume coreldraw knows that the font has to be downloaded to the printer but when i use the windows accessory write the printer prints square boxes in place of the characters of the new font yet write does display the font correctly on the screen i looked through all the windows and laserjet manuals but got nowhere all of them just make the statement that truetype fonts will print exactly as you see them on the screen so i assume windows knows that a font has to be downloaded automatically but how to make it do that appreciate any help i assume youre using the driver available from cica hp4 v108 zip bring up the setup screen of the printer through control panel click on the options button brings up another screen of choices change the graphics mode from hp gl 2 to raster and check the box print truetype as graphics this is only available when you choose raster now you should be able to print all your truetype fonts correctly good luck lei shao ls116 cunixa cc columbia edu religion by the sword deuteronmy 20 13 and when the lord thy god hath delivered it into thine hands thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword joshua 6 21 and they utterly destroyed all that was in the city bith man and women young and old and ox and sheep and ass with the edge of the sword joshua 10 32 and the lord delivered lachish into the hand of israel which took it on the second day and smote it with the edge of the sword and all the souls that were therein according to all that he had done to libnah religion re christian daemons biblical demons the u 667 the neighbor of the beast no 667 is across the street from the beast 664 and 668 are the neighbors of the beast i think some people are still not clear on this 667 is not the neighbor of the beast but rather across the street it is in fact 668 which is the neighbor of the beast no sheesh didnt you know 666 is the beasts apartment 667 is across the hall from the beast and is his neighbor along with the rest of the 6th floor justin still trying to figure out what this has to do with alt discordia this doesnt seem discordant to you paul w stigaard lokean discordian libertarian xoa internet stigaard mhd1 moorhead msus edu fnord episkopos and chair moorhead state university campus discordians rectal neufotomist at large if i left a quote here someone would think it meant something baseball mlb standings and scores for fri apr 23rd 1993 mlb standings and scores for friday april 23rd 1993 including yesterdays games national west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road san francisco giants 10 06 625 7 3 won 1 05 02 05 04 houston astros 08 06 571 1 0 7 3 won 1 02 04 06 02 atlanta braves 09 08 529 1 5 4 6 lost 1 04 03 05 05 san diego padres 06 08 429 3 0 5 5 won 1 03 04 03 04 los angeles dodgers 06 10 375 4 0 3 7 lost 3 03 03 03 07 colorado rockies 05 09 357 4 0 3 7 lost 1 03 03 02 06 cincinnati reds 05 10 333 4 5 4 6 lost 1 02 04 03 06 national east philadelphia phillies 10 04 714 7 3 lost 1 06 02 04 02 montreal expos 09 06 600 1 5 7 3 won 4 06 03 03 03 st louis cardinals 09 06 600 1 5 6 4 won 1 06 03 03 03 pittsburgh pirates 08 07 533 2 5 5 5 won 1 04 04 04 03 chicago cubs 07 07 500 3 0 5 5 lost 1 04 04 03 03 new york mets 07 07 500 3 0 5 5 lost 1 03 05 04 02 florida marlins 05 10 333 5 5 3 7 won 1 03 06 02 04 american west won lost pct gb last 10 streak home road california angels 09 04 692 7 3 won 3 06 02 03 02 texas rangers 08 05 615 1 0 5 5 lost 2 04 02 04 03 minnesota twins 08 06 571 1 5 6 4 won 1 05 04 03 02 chicago white sox 07 07 500 2 5 5 5 won 2 02 03 05 04 seattle mariners 07 08 467 3 0 4 6 won 2 05 03 02 05 oakland athletics 05 08 385 4 0 3 7 lost 2 05 04 00 04 kansas city royals 05 10 333 5 0 5 5 lost 1 03 06 02 04 american east boston red sox 11 05 688 7 3 lost 2 06 01 05 04 detroit tigers 09 05 643 1 0 8 2 won 2 07 01 02 04 new york yankees 08 07 533 2 5 5 5 won 2 03 03 05 04 toronto blue jays 08 07 533 2 5 5 5 won 1 04 02 04 05 milwaukee brewers 05 07 417 4 0 4 6 lost 1 02 02 03 05 cleveland indians 05 11 313 6 0 2 8 lost 4 04 03 01 08 baltimore orioles 04 09 308 5 5 4 6 lost 2 02 05 02 04 yesterdays scores idle teams listed in alphabetical order national league american league san diego padres 2 boston red sox 0 philadelphia phillies 1 seattle mariners 7 los angeles dodgers 1 chicago white sox 3 montreal expos 3 baltimore orioles 2 cincinnati reds 4 milwaukee brewers 4 pittsburgh pirates 5 minnesota twins 5 atlanta braves 3 toronto blue jays 6 florida marlins 4 kansas city royals 3 colorado rockies 2 cleveland indians 0 st louis cardinals 5 california angels 8 san francisco giants 13 new york yankees 5 new york mets 4 oakland athletics 1 chicago cubs idle detroit tigers idle houston astros idle texas rangers idle joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers medicine exercise and migraine we were talking about migraine and exercise im the one who cant fathom the thought of exercise during migraine anyway turning the thread around the other day i played tennis during my lunch hour im out of tennis shape so it was very intense exercise i got overheated and dehydrated afterwards i noticed a tingling sensation all over my head then about 2 hours later i could feel a migraine start i continued to drink water in the afternoon i took cafergot but it didnt help and the pain started although it wasnt as intense as it usually is and about 9pm that night the pain subsided this isnt the first time that ive had a migraine occur after exercise im wondering if anyone else has had the same experience and i wonder what triggers the migraine in this situation heat buildup dehydration im not giving up tennis so is there anything i can do besides get into shape and dont play at high noon to prevent this thanks janet jakstys uucp ames mcdcup ntmtv janet northern telecom internet janet ntmtv com mtn view ca windows quattro pro file format we are trying to write a program which can read files created by quattro pro 3 0 and above would anyone know where to find information regarding the format in which quattro pro stores its files thanks in advance mahesh famous dummies madam tussades wax museum still at case msk9 po cwru edu guns re once upon a time in article 1993apr23 184027 4401 swan pyr cgwillme pyr swan ac uk r b willmersdorf writes american and european universities were full of angry young people tm that wanted to overthrow the government and wouldnt think twice about lobbing a molotov cocktail at the national guard military police in europe certainly it would have been very bad form to take anything the system tm said at face value this was in the end of the sixties and the begining of the seventies im told i was too young to remember something wrong happened along the way im afraid maybe the west became just too comfortable or maybe i was born too late yours disappointed with with the youth of today isnt it ironic im of that generation and i remember the lesson i cry to see all the postings from domestic edu sites that have naively swallowed everything the government has seen fit to feed to them especially contrasted to such a post from the uk yet 2 there is a difference between lining up 90 people against the wall and executing them and causing their deaths through negligence imcompetence i honestly hope we witnessed the latter as they say the alternative is too horrible to contemplate i suspect we saw the latter however the injustice implied in letting those involved escape without investigation and or prosecution is also horrible to contemplate cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in c5tenu 112f ns1 nodak edu green plains nodak edu bill green writes just to shed some light on the fire it was widely reported ap etc that there were several witnesses to bd folks starting the fires it has also been reported that the fires broke out in several places at once which rules out a bradley knocking over a lamp etc as the cause consider this the bds had more than one lamp the tanks made more than one hole in the building did anyone else notice on the video that it appeared that wherever there was smoke coming out of the building there was a tank nearby the fact that it appears that fires started in several places does not rule out anything also where are these several witnesses the way i heard it from the fbi spokesman on cnn the witnesses were all people driving the tanks one other point im no fan of janet reno but i do like the way she had the balls to go ahead and take full responsibility seems like the waffle boy had problems figuring out just where he stood on the issue too bad nothing will happen to her or him the fbi and the media have done their job well dwayne jacques fontenot medicine re my new diet it works great in article 1993apr21 091844 4035 omen uucp caf omen uucp chuck forsberg wa7kgx writes in article 19687 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back the lost weight does not constitute weight rebound until it exceeds the starting weight or is this oral tradition that is shared only among you obesity researchers not one but two obesity in europe 88 proceedings of the 1st european congress on obesity annals of ny acad sci 1987 hmmm these dont look like references to me is passive aggressive behavior associated with weight rebound brian religion cults who keeps them going mr clinton said today that the horrible tragedy of the waco fiasco should remind those who join cults of the dangers of doing so now i began scratching my head thinking a bad sign dont the mainstream religions in this case christianity or the 7th day adventist in particular just keep these guys going isnt mr clinton condemning his own religion after all isnt it a cult too bad thoughts these cars choice of gauges if you had free reign to design your own instrument cluster which gauges would you choose to have beyond the basic set i consider the basic set to be tach coolant temp or cylinder head temp for air cooled engines oil pressure amps speedo fuel others that are nice to have volts maybe this should be in the basic set vacuum boost i can think of a few others but what are your ideas and why dave baseball re espn and expansion in article c5109u 7c0 ucdavis edu itlm013 dale ucdavis edu donnie trump writes i was watching peter gammons on espn last night and hes got me a little confused while talking about expansion he started mentioning people who might benefit from the fringe players theyll be facing mcgriff hitting 50 home runs sheffield getting 150 rbis and glavine winning 25 games this was of course all in reference to what happened the other times that baseball has expanded early 60s late 60s late 70s what really confused me though was the mention of al players who would do well next year specifically roger clemens winning 25 games and the likes of mcgwire and gonzalez hitting 50 home runs my question is how in the hell will the rockies marlins help the al the last time i looked there wasnt a lot of talent jumping leagues did i miss something dennis cleary dfcleary ucdavis edu i wondered the same thing when he first mentioned it i thought he was just making a mistake but then he said it over and over and then in the examples from other years he gave stats for players from both leagues even when only one league expanded so since stats never lie i guess there is an effect on both leagues because the expansion draft takes talent from both leagues equally making every team in both leagues dilute their major league talent by calling up players that normally they would not have had there not been expansion make sense baseball re jose cansecos swing 1992 vs 1986 g waugaman nac enet dec com glenn r waugaman writes garys list of the ten slowest bats in baseball 8 andre dawson what peter gammons andre tremendous bat speed dawson bat speed so great that dawson has trouble hitting the ball to the right side of the left field line without counting to 100 before swinging bat speed never before seen from a 38 year old man much less from any red sox player to precede him yes thats him was i not specific enough just because someone consistently pulls the ball does not mean that they have a quick bat dawsons release is slow and he is 38 after all he may swing early and rotate his hips so that he hits the ball to the left side all the time but he swings slowly as for me disagreeing with peter gammons whoa thats never happened before next thing you know ill probably believe dave campbell is the biggest imbecile even to come near a mic and that ray knight has the iq of drained crankcase oil gary huckabay outside that was right down the bleedin pipe balder than any kenny i realize i dont have great control but dave on the net cmon gary that was a styrofoam cup the really plates a foot to your right throw the ball windows experiences with dos 6 i have been having trouble posting this article from within tin for over a week if you do get multiple copies my apologies here is a challenge to microsoft or microsort supporters to defend the pathetic state of dos 6 as an upgrade distribution it is a long story but would make good reading for those who are interested in knowing the potential pitfalls of upgrading to dos 6 that i have been able to notice after only about a week of playing around with it my envorinment ti travelmate 4000 winsx 486sx 25 4m ram 120m disk system bios version 1 03 05 21 92 by texas instruments cl gd6420 vga bios v 1 03 a1 by cirrus logic quadtel advance power manager battery pro v b6 00 by texas instruments smart drive cache win3 1 dos6 parameters 2048 1024 a b windows benchmark winbench tm v 3 11 02 11 93 by zd labs after updgrading to dos 6 i could not understand why certain things became so slow especially after i decided to try dblspace in the process of finding out why i discovered some interesting things disk performance with double space and smart drive while most things did not appear to slow down most of the time certain applications appeared to run very much slower what was interesting is that commands like chkdsk and defrag were running far too slowly to consider them useful by any standards i suspected double space ds and decided to measure its impact on my system using winbench tm the real disk winmark of 20350 for the original system as shipped from factory with dos 5 and windowws 3 1 became 10718 when upgraded to dos 6 with ds thus there is an effective performance degradation of more than 50 percent which did not really surprise me because i knew that ds compression must cost something specifically for short sequential reads up to 512 bytes ds actually improves transfer rates by about 10 because cpu being faster than i o more cpu cycles needed for ds is more than compensated by savings in i o cycles however for all other cases particularly large random writes the transfers take up to three times as long while the performance depends on the type of access i e random or sequential small or large transfer units on the average based on winbenchs assumptions the disk slows down to half its speed the tests alone done in real mode see winbench and with smartdrv on do not say much except that it helps to put into those subjective statements like there is no noticable difference in performance or even that it will speed up disk access when you have a fast cpu and slow disk i o this explained why some applications ran markedly slower but not why chkdsk and defrag the latter especially too so long double space and windows dblspace will not run at all from within windows not even if you wanted to only to get information not modify anything or for that matter even check on its usage try fasthelp dblspace in a dos box within windows and you will see what i mean from the error message you get how narrow minded can a programer get i wonder yes this information can be obtained through the mstools dd add on to file manager but this mstools dll does not understand a compressed floppy use the dos 6 supplement utility to create a compressed floppy if you dont know how to dos 6 defragmenter is incompatible with ti apm defragmentation seemed to take too much time even so i waited patiently till it finished and then ran it again to just to confirm this confirmation dblspace def command for the 120m drive should take no more than 30 seconds much faster on other defragmenters i have used but it took 12 minutes i discovered that if i moved the mouse defragmentation checking ran faster the figure ticked more rapidly it dawned on me that this had to do with tis battery saver advanced power management apm module which slows the clock down when it thinks that the cpu is idle and it obviously thought ds defragmentation was an idle process after disabling the tis power saver this operation took only 20 seconds microsft programmers think ti4000 and gateway nomad users are idiots in the readme txt file you can find the the following running microsoft backup with ti4000 and gateway nomad computers to avoid a conflict between the turbo feature and microsoft backup for windows or ms dos add a l0 switch to the device command in your config sys that loads the battery pro file or before you run microsoft backup type setpower l0 at the command prompt if you checked tis manual on the l0 option you will realise that it means disable all power saving features of your notebook why would anyone want to run a driver disabled as i have found out not only does tis power management interfere with microsoft backup as the readme txt claims but chkdsk and dblspace and who knows what else are crippled by the tis power saver it is obvious that there is not such thing as apm specifications if there indeed is such a thing then either microsoft programmers or ti programmers dont know how to read these specifications you dont have to guess as to who are the idiots by the way if you run the advance power management utility power exe in dos6 when you check the status it says power management status setting adv max cpu idle 60 of time this figure of 60 seems to be the steady state value on my notebook when i am running nothing windows with only program manager in iconised form does that mean that windows takes up 40 of my cpu all for itself and that i have at best only 60 left for useful work is such an overhead justified whether or not windows is an operating system or just another user interface in dos alone it reports 99 idle time looks like windows is a good example of busy waiting type of package that i like my students to study as the classical negative example of our times microsoft programmers do not know batch programming i like to structure my startup script and thus have the equivalent of addpath statements like this set path c dos set path c etc bin path c bin set path c etc windows path c windows set path path c bcc bin set path path mouse even though the new dos was installed in the same directory as the old one i e c dos dos 6 installation program modifes each and every path statement and prepends c dos to its value as a result my resultant path has so many doss if the installation program wanted to remove the old dos path and add the new dos path clearly it has to only scan for the path statement containg the old dos directory and replace it by the new dos path even this should only be done if the new dos is installed in a directory different from the old one being upgraded instead the microsoft programmer if you can call this person one decided to meddle every path statement i had in the autoexec and prepend dos to the value i wonder if microsoft is so desparate that it would not fire programmers who are incapable of the thought process i started a thread on this when dos 4 came up and the microsoft representative in singapore called me about this poster in fact he specifically said his us counterparts saw the poster and relayed the information to him as he did not have access to internet now that has not changed one bit in fact if you have a path statement with path already in it is it not obvious that the this statement should not be touched for any reason as another example of the inability of microsoft programmers to understand batch programming i had the mouse driver invoked as set mouse c etc mouse set path path mouse loadhigh mouse mouse com guess what memmaker did it replaced the last statement with lh c etc mouse mouse com why is it so difficult just to replace loadhigh with lh and its parameters without touching the rest of the line i do not understand dos 6 software quality dos 6 is the only operating system i know in which under normal usage you end up creating a file that you cannot get rid of using of the commands that come with it i am deliberately being cryptic about this i challenge microsoft to use all its programmers to catch this bug and publish it if they dont within a week i will post how you can create this ghost file surely if i can pick this bug without even looking for it after using a particular command only twice i am sure two dozen microsoft idiot programmers randomly banging on their keyboards over a week could find it that is what i was told how microsoft tests the quality of their products i think it is funny that microsoft has found ways to test quality when it is accepted in the industry that quality cannot be tested but can only be built into the product no wonder they cannot provide any form of guarantees on their products not even a decent list of bugs that will prevent scores of user from destroying their disks beyond repair also if you run dblspace def often enough repeatedly when the disk is fully defragmented you may get errors that was created by the defragmenters i got my io sys file size error and it got truncated when i did the chkdsk this happend only after five successive defragmentation efforst after the first one supposedly did its job and with no new file creation since microsft dont you dare reply to this poster on the network until you admit that your ds has bugs and are willing to let us know what we 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retail version is only 40 50 its incredibly complete subfolders to any level choose any icon hot keys drop down menus button bars etc havent found anything it doesnt do try mailing 72540 144 compuserve com for details tom tom hansen my beard grows to my toes i never wears no tom vpnet chi il us clothes i wraps my hair around my bare and i yam what i yam down the road i goes shel silverstein medicine re thyroidal deficiency abruno adobe andrea bruno writes in article 19930430140738sfb2763 mvs draper com sfb2763 mvs draper com eileen bauer writes thyroxin controls energy production which explains sleepiness coldness and weight gain there is also water retention possibly around heart changes in vision and coarser hair and skin among other things is there any relation between thyroid deficiency and depression there can be but depression is not diagnositic of thyroid deficiency thyroid blood tests are easy cheap and effective in diagnosing thyroid deficiencies jackie guns re clinton joins list of genocidal socialist leaders joe kusmierczak mail trincoll edu wrote people like you cheapen our constitution by using it to defend sociopaths who arent deserved of it there it is the constitution isnt for sociopaths only normal people eh we mustnt allow our constitution to be cheapened by applying it to everybody eh you disgust me john l scott cars re electronic odometers was used bmw question in article 13269 news duke edu klg mookie mc duke edu kim greer writes i was wondering if anyone can shed any light on just how it is that these electronic odometers remember the total elapsed mileage what kind of memory is stable reliable enough non volatile enough and independent enough of outside battery power to last say 10 years or more in the life of a vehicle im amazed that anything like this could be expected to work for this length of time especially in light of all the gizmos i work with that are doing good to work for 2 months without breaking down somehow mk48t02 from thomsom it has a timekeeper clock and 512 bytes of nvram which has a lithium battery backup the battery has a life of 10 years of poweroff operation installed in a car it could be left powered on continuously and not draw much current the battery would only be used when your auto battery was dead or had been removed side question how about the legal ramifications of selling a used car with a replaced odometer that starts over at 0 miles after say 100 200 300k actual miles looks like fraud would be fairly easy for the price of a new odometer you can say it has however many miles you want to tell the buyer it has in california they have a line on the transfer of ownership form which states that the odometer mileage is correct if incorrect you are required to fill in what you know or guesstimate to be the correct mileage if you lie on this form and are caught you can be prosecuted and the buyer can sue you for the value of the mileage differential faster horses younger women older whiskey more money baseball ryan on dl heard minutes ago on koa radio denver nolan ryan to have arthroscopic on a knee and to miss 2 5 weeks rockies nied lead mets gooden 4 0 in 7th all runs in first inning gregg baseball ncar ucar edu cr o cr colorado rockies baseball re mel hall in article 1993apr17 212119 13901 coe montana edu warped cs montana edu doug dolven writes has anyone heard anything about mel hall this season id heard he wasnt with the yankees any more what happened to him he is in japan playing baseball tom gwitt gwittt alleg edu guns news says batf indictment warrant unsealed something about how koresh had threatened to cause local problems with all these wepaons he had and was alleged to have someone else will post more details soon im sure other news sniper injures 9 outside mca buildling in l a man arrested suspect was disgruntled employee of universal studios which is a division of m c a question what will californians do with all those guns after the reginald denny trial case kim kim39 husc harvard edu baseball how is slugging percentage computed subject line says it all thanks in advance please email chuck cygnus eid anl gov go cubs windows re canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 in article 1993apr18 041741 6051 csd newshost stanford edu kayman csd d 3 stanford edu robert kayman writes from kayman csd d 3 stanford edu robert kayman subject canon bj200 bubblejet and hp deskjet 500 keywords printer date 18 apr 93 04 17 41 gmt hello fellow netters i am asking for your collected wisdom to help me decide which printer i should purchase the canon bj200 bubblejet vs the hp deskjet 500 i thought rather than trust the salesperson i would benefit more from relying on those who use these printers daily and use them to their fullest potential and i figure all of you will know their benefits and pitfalls better than any salesperson now i would greatly appreciate any information you could render on the 360 dpi of the canon bubblejet vs the hewlett packard deskjet 500 300 dpi which is faster is there a noticeable print quality difference particularly in graphics which will handle large documents better 75 pages or more any personal experience on either will be appreciated here which works better under windows 3 1 any driver problems etc cost of memory font packages toner cartridges etc basically your personal experiences with either of these machines is highly desirable both good and bad advance kudos and thanks for all your input e mail or news posting is readily acceptable but e mail is encouraged limits bandwidth sincerely robert kayman kayman cs stanford edu or cpa cs stanford edu in theory theory and practice are the same in practice they are not you mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision revised all right not saying i know any more than the average salesguy ill give your question a shot the key issue that i bought my bj 200 on was ink drying speed you really have to try awful hard to get the bj 200 ink to smear the hp deskjets need 10 15 seconds to completely dry in both cases however do not get your pages wet unlike laser printers the material on your pages is ink not toner but that should go without saying my pc has very little memory only 2meg ram so the bj 200 takes a little while to print but every application i use takes a while to run once the computer is solely printing it purs like a kitten and puts pages out every 15 30 seconds depending on how detailed your graphics are the bj 200 can do windows soft fonts im assuming that the deskjet can or hp wouldnt sell many size is another factor the bj 200 is much smaller but the hp is built like a tank i bet the bj 200 would get damaged first finally the print quality i love the bj 200s resolution it looks like a good laser quality print the hps ive used they look like ink not as impressive so i chose the canon any other opinions guns re need senate bill numbers and house resolution numbers try the firearms archive larry ciprianis 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constitution of the united states repealing the second amendment to the constitution includes comments by owens entered into the congressional record file congress 102nd hr1133 house bill 1133 by mr goodling february 27 1991 to amend title 18 united states code to prohibit transfer of firearm to or possession of a firearm by a person convicted of a drug crime and to provide enhanced penalties for possession of a firearm during a drug crime file congress 102nd hr1354 house bill 1354 by mr scheuer march 7 1991 to end the use of steel jaw leghold traps on animals in the united states file congress 102nd hr1412 house bill 1412 by mr staggers march 13 1991 to amend title 18 united states code to provide for the establishment of a national hotline which a federal firearms licensee may contact to learn if receipt of a handgun by a prospective transferee is prohibited and to require such a licensee to contact the hotline before the transfer of a handgun to a nonlicensee file congress 102nd hr1559 house bill 1559 by mr gibbons march 21 1991 to prohibit the importation of semiautomatic assault weapons large capacity ammunition feeding devices and certain accessories file congress 102nd hr1770 house bill 1770 by mr smith of florida april 15 1991 to amend title 18 united states code to prohibit certain handguns which are unsuitable for lawful sporting purposes file congress 102nd hr19 house bill 19 by mr hughes january 3 1991 to prohibit the possession transfer and certain exports of restricted weapons the manufacture of firearms capable of accepting a silencer or bayonet without alteration and the possession and transfer of large capacity ammunition feeding devices and for other purposes file congress 102nd hr282 house bill 282 by mrs collins january 3 1991 to provide for the mandatory registration of handguns file congress 102nd hr2922 house bill 2922 by mr cardin july 17 1991 to amend the public health service act to establish an entitlement of states and certain political subdivisions of states to receive grants for the abatement of health hazards associated with lead based paint and to amend the internal revenue code of 1986 to impose an excise tax and establish a trust fund to satisfy the federal obligations arising from such entitlement this bill would impose upto a 0 75 pound tax on all new lead and 0 37 pound tax on recycled lead file congress 102nd hr318 house bill 318 by mr dornan january 3 1991 to amend the animal welfare act to prohibit dog racing and dog training involving the use of live animals as visual lure and to make such act applicable to facilities that are used for dog racing or dog race training file congress 102nd hr3371 house bill 3371 the violent crime prevention act of 1991 file congress 102nd hr371 house bill 371 by mr marlenee january 3 1991 to protect persons engaged in a lawful hunt within a national forest establishing an administrative civil remedy against individuals or groups intentionally obstructing impeding or interfering with the conduct of a lawful hunt and for other purposes file congress 101st hr4079 house bill 4079 by mr gingrich february 22 1990 to provide swift and certain punishment for criminals in order to deter violent crime and rid america of illegal drug use file congress 102nd hr436 house bill 436 by mr weiss january 3 1991 to prohibit the manufacture transfer or importation of 25 caliber and 32 caliber ammunition file congress 102nd hr465 house bill 465 by mr rangel january 7 1991 to prohibit certain exports of fully automatic or semiautomatic assault weapons file congress 102nd hr4897 house bill 4897 by mr cunningham april 9 1992 to amend title i of the omnibus crime control and safe streets act of 1968 to deny grant funds to states unless law enforcement officers are permitted to carry concealed firearms file congress 102nd hr5633 house bill 5633 by mr schumer july 21 1992 to amend title 18 united states code to expand the scope of the multiple firearms sales reporting requirement and to require that persons comply with state and local firearms licensing laws before receiving a federal license to deal in firearms file congress 102nd hr5807 house bill 5807 by mr schumer august 10 1992 to impose criminal penalties upon the failure of a federal firearms licensee to report to appropriate authorities the loss or theft of a firearm from the inventory or collection of the licensee file congress 102nd hr7 house bill 7 by mr feighan to require a waiting period before the purchase of a handgun also known as the brady bill file congress 102nd hr750 house bill 750 by mr russo january 30 1991 to amend the internal revenue code of 1954 to provide that the excise tax on handguns will be transferred to a trust fund to be used for purposes of providing compensation to victims of crime and for other purposes file congress 102nd s214 senate bill 214 by mr hatch january 15 1991 to provide procedures for calling federal constitutional conventions under article v for the purpose of proposing amendments to the united states constitution file congress 102nd s2304 senate bill 2304 by mr lautenberg march 3 1992 to amend title 18 united states code to permanently prohibit the possession of firearms by persons who have been convicted of a violent felony and for other purposes file congress 102nd s257 senate bill 257 to require a waiting period before the purchase of a handgun file congress 102nd s2813 senate bill 2813 by mr gore june 4 1992 to establish in the government printing office an electronic gateway to provide public access to a wide range of federal databases containing public information stored electronically file congress 102nd s2913 senate bill 2913 by mr chafee june 30 1992 to prohibit the manufacture importation exportation sale purchase transfer receipt possession or transportation of handguns and ammunition with certain exceptions file congress 102nd s3282 senate bill 3282 by mr mitchell september 28 1992 to amend title 18 united states code to require a waiting period before the purchase of a handgun file congress 101st s386 senate bill 386 by mr metzenbaum february 8 1989 to control the sale and use of assault weapons file congress 102nd s51 senate bill 51 by mr moynihan january 14 1991 to prohibit the manufacture transfer or importation of 25 caliber and 32 caliber and 9 millimeter ammunition file congress 102nd s634 senate bill 634 by mr symms march 13 1991 to amend chapter 44 title 18 united states code to provide clarification of limitations on controls of firearms and to prohibit the use of federal funds to political subdivisions which implement certain gun control ordi nances file congress 101st s747 senate bill 747 by mr deconcini to amend chapter 44 of title 18 united states code regarding assault weapons file congress 102nd s789 senate bill 789 by mr moynihan april 9 1991 to prohibit the importation of semiautomatic assault weapons large capacity ammunition feeding devices and certain accessories file congress 102nd s892 senate bill 892 by mr metzenbaum april 23 1991 to amend title 15 united states code to authorize the consumer product safety commission to regulate the risk of injury associated with firearms file congress 102nd s918 senate bill 918 by mr packwood april 24 1991 the amend the internal revenue code of 1986 to exempt small manufacturers producers and importers from the firearms excise tax file congress 103rd hcr3 house concurrent resolution 3 by mr crane january 5 1993 expressing the sense of the congress with respect to the right of all americans to keep and bear arms in defense of life or liberty and in the pursuit of all other legitimate endeavors file congress 103rd hjr81 house joint resolution by mr owens january 27 1993 proposing an amendment to the constitution of the united states repealing the second amendment to the constitution file congress 103rd hr277 house bill 277 by mr mazolli january 5 1993 to amend title 18 united states code to require a waiting period before the purchase of a handgun file congress 103rd hr544 house bill 544 by mr torricelli january 21 1993 to amend title 18 united states code to prohibit the transfer of 2 or more handguns to an individual in any 30 day period file congress 103rd hr661 house bill 661 by mrs collins january 27 1993 to provide for the manufacturer importer or dealer of a handgun or an assault weapon to be held strictly liable for damages that result from the use of the handgun or assault weapon file congress 103rd hr737 house bill 737 by mr reynolds february 2 1993 to provide for the manufacturer or importer of a handgun or an assault weapon to be held strictly liable for damages that result from the use of the handgun or assault weapon and to amend the internal revenue code of 1986 to increase the excise tax on firearms and use a portion of the revenues from such tax to assist hospitals in urban areas to provide medical care to gunshot victims who are not covered under any health plan file congress 103rd hr1025 house bill 1025 by mr schumer february 22 1993 to provide for a waiting period before the purchase of a hadgun and for the establishment of a national instant criminal background check system to be contacted by firearms dealers before the transfer of any firearm file congress 103rd s108 senate bill 108 by mr moynihan january 21 1993 to prohibit the importation of semiautomatic assault weapons large capacity ammunition feeding devices and certain accessories file congress 103rd s109 senate bill 109 by mr moynihan january 21 1993 to amend section 923 of title 18 united states code to require the keeping of records with respect to dispositions of ammunition and to require a study of the use and possible regulation of sales of ammunition file congress 103rd s178 senate bill 178 by mr moynihan january 21 1993 to amend chapter 44 of title 18 united states code to prohibit the manufacture transfer or importation of 25 caliber and 32 caliber and 9 millimeter ammunition file congress 103rd s179 senate bill 179 by mr moynihan january 21 1993 to tax 9 millimeter 25 caliber and 32 caliber bullets file congress 103rd s376 senate bill 376 by mr lautenberg february 16 1993 to prohibit the transfer of 2 or more handguns to an individual in any 30 day period file congress 103rd s414 senate bill 414 by mr metzenbaum february 24 1993 to amend title 18 united states code to require a waiting period before the purchase of a handgun file gun free zones text of the gun free school zones act of 1990 from public law 101 647 nov 29 1990 file aclu a collection of articles on the aclus position on gun control included is aclu policy statement 47 which gives the aclu interpretation of the second amendment file dcm info a collection of articles explaining the civilian marksmanship program in other words why does the united states department of defense sell battle rifles to civilians file dial911 dial 911 and die by aaron zelman and jay simkin of jews for the preservation of firearms ownership jpfo file fija info the fully informed jury amendment and what it means to gun owners and the right to keep and bear arms file whitemanslaw white mans law by william r tonso from the december 1985 reason magazine file jefferson the first inaugural address of thomas jefferson 2nd president of the united states file jewishistory jewish history rufutes gun control activists by elliot rothenberg from the february 1988 american rifleman file law abiding the law abiding gun owner as domestic and acquaintance murderer from guns murders and the constitution a realistic assessment of gun control by don b kates february 1990 pp 45 49 file second ideology the second amendment and the ideology of self protection by don b kates jr reprinted from constitutional commentary vol 9 no 1 winter 1992 c 1992 by constitutional commentary kates puts the second amendment and philosophies of self protection into a historical perspective file new understa toward a new understanding of the second amendment by david t hardy file to bear arms to bear arms for self defense our second amendment heritage by stephen p halbrook file no treason no treason the constitution of no authority by lysander spooner file resistance excerpts from the study crime control through the use of armed force by associate professor dr gary kleck florida state university school of criminology published in the february 1988 issue of social problems file waitper qna waiting period questions and answers by handgun control inc hci and citizens for safe government csg file warsaw the warsaw ghetto 10 handguns against tyranny by dr david i caplan from february 1988 american rifleman file wethepeople supreme court interpretations of the second amendment file sc ftp how to retreive supreme court decisions via anonymous ftp file alternative policy alternative policy futures by franklin e zimring from the annals of the american academy of political and social science volume 455 may 1981 published by the american academy of political and social science 1981 file embarassing 2nd amendment the embarassing second amendment by sanford levinson yale law journal volume 99 pp 637 659 1989 file nra800 phone numbers for the nra many are toll free 800 numbers file nradrugs a collection of articles on the nras position on the war on drugs file fl aw part1 florida a w commission exec summary part 1 file fl aw part2 florida a w commission exec summary part 2 stockton the facts by martin l fackler md file iwba information about the international wound ballistics association martin fackler president file gunshyjudges gun shy judges by jacob sullum from the may 1991 issue of reason magazine file heatofmoment in the heat of the moment by james d wright file racist soil article gun control sprouts from racist soil by roy innis from the wall street journal 11 21 91 file core policy bearing arms for self defense a human and civil right by roy innis national chairman congress of racial equality core file righttobear the right to bear arms by sanford levinson from the daily news ft walton beach fl 1991 file rock island united states of america v rock island armory us district court for the central district of il the court ruled that making a post 86 machine gun is not illegal believe it or not file dalton united states of america v john william dalton us court of appeals tenth circuit 91 1149 the court ruled that owning or transferring a post 86 machine gun is not punishable under the nfa believe it or not file waitdanger why gun waiting periods threaten public safety by david b kopel march 25 1991 file aw qna assault weapon questions answers by handgun control inc and citizens for safe government csg file ccw survey a state by state survey of carrying concealed weapons laws file us vs miller united states vs miller et al appeal from the district court of the united states for the western district of arkansas argued march 30 1939 decided may 15 1939 file presser the history of presser v illinois is a fascinating exercise of how politically based decisions on our constitutional rights have come back to haunt us file cia ncbh a column by neal knox presenting evidence that former cia agent edwin o welles played a major role in founding hci and ncbh file conphone a list of voice and fax phone number for representatives and senators file billofrights the first 10 articles of amendment to the united states constitution file constitution the constitution of the united states of america file decl of indp the declaration of independence file dont wait criminals dont wait why should you from the nra exposes the fraudulent arguments made for waiting periods file external positive externalities of gun ownership by john kell from the freeman ideas on liberty october 1991 file english hist firearms legislation in great britain by jan a stevenson file simkin control criminals not guns by jay edward simkin found in the march 25 1991 or 92 wall street journal file unabridged the unabridged second amendment by j neil schulman an interview with roy copperud retired professor of journalism at usc and author of american usage and style the consensus copperud offers his professional opinion on the meaning of the second amendment file uzitruth a letter from j harper wilson director fbi uniform crime reporting program to paul h blackman research coordinator of the nra stating that only one police officer of puerto rico was shot and killed with a semi automatic 9mm model a uzi file maketheirday how to make their day by don b kates jr and patricia terrell harris in the national review october 21 1991 kates and harris debunk several myths about firearms criminals and violence file two myths two myths of gun control from point blank guns and violence in america by gary kleck file aw not problem assault weapons arent the problem by gary kleck published in the new york times tuesday september 1 1992 file oregon study 1990 oregon study of retail firearm sales and chl licensing file children fighting for childrens hearts and minds by robert pew american rifleman april 1992 discusses how hci and its center to prevent handgun violence have set out to use public schools as forums for their anti gun propaganda file gunssputter guns and sputter by james d wright from july 1989 issue of reason wright exposes the flaws in the new england journal of medicine study comparing the homicide rates of seattle and vancouver file nejm info a collection of articles and information on the new england journal of medicine vancouver seattle handgun crime comparison study see also the file gunssputter authored by james wright file dcstudy 1 the new england journal of medicine 1991 dec 5 325 23 pp 1647 1650 editorials firearms and the killing threshold kassirer jerome p file dcstudy 2 the new england journal of medicine 1991 dec 5 325 23 pp 1615 1620 special article effects of restrictive licensing of handguns on homicide and suicide in the district of columbia loftin colin mcdowall david wiersema brian cottey talbert j file nejm editorial the new england journal of medicine 1988 nov 10 319 19 pp 1283 1285 editorial firearm injuries a call for science mercy james a houk vernon n file nejm letters the new england journal of medicine 1989 may 4 320 18 pp 1214 1217 correspondence handgun regulations crime assaults and homicide a tale of two cities blackman paul h hagen tim morris david c stolinsky david c tirer samuel gryder john w kuziak john d sloan john h kellerman arthur l kellermann rivara fred p koepsell thomas reay donald t logerfo james p rice charles ferris james a gray laurel a mercy james a houk vernon n file suicide 1 the new england journal of medicine 1990 feb 8 322 6 pp 369 373 special article firearm regulations and rates of suicide a comparison of two metropolitan areas sloan john henry rivara frederick p reay donald t ferris james a j kellermann arthur l file suicide 2 the new england journal of medicine 1990 jul 12 323 2 p 137 correspondence firearm regulations and rates of suicide blackman paul h sloan john henry rivara frederick p kellermann arthur file totc the new england journal of medicine 1988 nov 10 319 19 pp 1256 1262 special article handgun regulations crime assaults and homicide a tale of two cities sloan john henry kellermann arthur l reay donald t ferris james a koepsell thomas rivara frederick p rice charles gray laurel logerfo james file nra cdc an open letter from paul h blackman of nra to the director office of scientific integrity review u s public health service detailing why they should evaluate the integrity and competency of firearms research conducted by and for the centers for disease control cdc file rkba 000 what the rkba nnn files are all about the rkba nnn series are set of small 60 100 lines typically postings that address common questions and myths about all aspects of firearms file rkba 001 accidental deaths by firearms and by other means file rkba 002 declining trend of accidental deaths by firearms file rkba 003 homicide per capita in the us file rkba 004 children and firearms file rkba 008 annual firearm manufacture in the united states file rkba 010 declaration of independence file rkba 013 trend in weapons use for robberies 1974 86 file rkba 014 reasons for homicide and non negligent manslaughter file rkba 015 are firearms a leading cause of death of children file rkba 016 is the united states the most violent nation file rkba 999 complete list of all sources used for the rkba nnn series file cox study analysis of the cox atlanta journal constitution 21 may 1989 article on assault weapons by james j baker of nra ila before the select committee on narcotics abuse and control u s house of representatives file feder11 txt the federalist papers as transcribed by project gutenberg 1 1 file great quotes thomas jefferson quotes and more file civilian civilian possession of military firearms by richard a i munday from the january february 1988 issue of the uk handgunner file good go bad when good law abiding citizens go bad from uk handgunner no 46 jan feb 1989 discusses how the rate of compliance of gun control laws is always very low even among otherwise law abiding citizens file tory national socialism tory national socialism by richard a i munday uk handgunner jul aug 86 discusses the gun control leanings of socialists of the right file the big lie gun grabbers vs assault rifles the big lie by neal knox semi auto military styled assault rifles are not now nor have they ever been a threat to society these facts have been determined by the government but never released to the public file ff 47 the founding fathers and the ak 47 by sue wimmershoff caplan discuss the question if the founding fathers would have approved of the ak 47 for civilian ownership file hcikkk handgun control inc the kkk by david kopel from the oct 91 issue of gun world magazine discusses the parallels in the hate campaigns of the ku klux klan and handgun control inc file rkba orgs a list of organizations devoted to the preservation of the second amendment file victoria the gun law handbook for the state of victoria australia oct 1988 file nra purposes a summary of the nras purposes and objectives and positions on some gun control issues file ktw a collection of articles relating to teflon coated armor piercing bullets file thompsoncenter the supreme court decision in the case united states of america v thompson center arms co file dmn gratia ccp concealed weapons can prevent tragedies like killeens by dr suzanna gratia in the dallas morning news sunday april 29th 1992 file knox aw lies neal knox on how military style semi autos are not a threat to public safety how they are not fundamentally different than ordinary hunting weapons and how the gun grabbers are exploiting the bad image this class of weapons has to enact further gun control file wsj crimestrik the nra mounts a militant campaign taking aim at criminal justice system by alix m freedman staff reporter of the wall street journal file med media gun prohibition in the medical literature telling the truth by edgar a suter md discusses anti gun bias in medical journals file toy guns court psychologist says toy guns are good for children from gun week 1989 glen david skoler court psychologist for the arlington county va claims toys of violence including toy guns are in fact good for children file awca89 appeal text of the 9th circuit court of appeals in the fresno rifle and pistol club challenge to californias roberti roos assault weapon control act of 1989 file lp92 rkba the right to keep and bear arms plank of the 1992 national platform of the libertarian party and a reproduction of the libertarian party brochure responsible gun ownership equal rights for americas gun owners the entire 1992 national platform of the lp is available via anonymous ftp on think com in the file pub libernet lp libertarian platform 1992 file let july91 an article from the july august 1991 issue of law enforcement technology with a survey of police officers on their views of gun control file nacp poll a study conducted by the national association of the chiefs of police nacp through its american law enforcement survey for 1989 in which 16 259 chiefs of police sheriffs and law enforcement command personnel were polled with a list of 30 questions it was determined the overwhelming majority of officers support the right of private arms ownership and agreed that gun bans had little effect on crime file hci advert a example of the propaganda used by hci in soliciting contributions file hci transcript a transcription of the hci video tape america needs a national handgun control policy file gartner michael gartner president of nbc news calls for a ban on handguns in this usa today thursday january 16th 1992 editorial file nra lp a resolution passed by the voting membership of the nra at its national convention in anaheim ca stating the nra will support third party candidates file cooley thomas m cooley ll d general principles of constitutional law in the united states of america 298 299 3rd ed 1898 a leading constitutional commentator discussed the rights protected by the second amendment file kilpatrick gun law might curb rising murder rate by james kilpatrick st louis post dispatch tuesday june 23 1992 kilpatrick expresses support for a national firearms law as proposed by c everett koop that is a requirement that gun owners pass a competency test among other things file vanity fair a summary of the 10 page article on jim and sarah brady which appeared in the january 91 issue of vanity fair magazine question was it true you wanted to get a gun to protect yourself against hinckley answer jim brady i had a gun file goldwin gun control is constitutional by robert a goldwin from the wall street journal edtorial page thrusday december 12 1991 file anniston two articles on a murder averted in anniston alabama by a man with a ccw permit the importance of this event is that it closely followed the murders by hennard in texas but the media did not cover anniston file staggers brady a survey of public support for the staggers instant background check and the brady waiting period the basic finding is that once the public understands the advantages of the instant background check vs the problems with the brady waiting period support for the brady waiting period diminishes greatly file brady vote how congress voted on the staggers instant background check and the brady waiting period file vs vote how congress voted on the volkmer sensenbrenner amendment to strike the new gun control sections from the administration crime bill file dc vote how the u s senate voted on s 2113 the repeal of the district of columbias anti gun strict liability law file covey gun control trying the facts weighing the values a monograph based on crime inequality guns equity by preston k covey ph d director center for the advancement of applied ethics carnegie mellon university addresses the desirability of gun bans ethical aspects equity issues and other values at stake in the management of mortal risks deadly force and its instruments file assays of bias assays of bias on the second amendment the media elite by preston k covey director center for the advancement of applied ethics excerpts from a longer monograph file cleveland a critique of accidental firearm fatalities in a metropolitan county 1958 1973 rushforth hirsch ford and adelson american journal of epidemiology 100 1974 pp 499 505 this is the study that lies at the heart of the gun control claim that owning a firearm for self defense is too dangerous the claims that a defensive gun is x 6 in this study times more likely to be used against an innocent person than in lawful self defense originated with this report in 1974 by robert i kesten file tiananmen lessons lessons from tiananmen square by neal knox reprinted from guns ammo september 1989 why the second amendment is so important even in todays more progressive era included is a description of the 1932 bonus march in washington dc in which gen douglas macarthur opposed unemployed wwi veterans lobbying for the government to immediately pay their promised veterans bonus file forward trace california ffl dealer defies forward trace by neal talbot in the new gun week march 1 1991 details how the batf bullies ffl holders into giving batf copies of 4473s in violation of federal law file justice stats handgun crime victims by michael r rand bureau of justice statistics statistician u s department of justice this bureau of justice statistics special report describes the key findings from an analysis of handgun crimes reported in the national crime survey for 1979 87 it describes the victims of hand gun sic crime how the handgun was used during the crime and the nature and extent of handgun crime injury it also provides information on handgun offenders the location of handgun crimes and whether the crime was reported to the police file chafee included are 1 transcript of press conference with senator john chafee and former supreme court justice warren burger on s 2913 chafees handgun ban also speaking was vernon jordan former member of the jimmy carter white house mayor sharon pratt kelly michael beard of national coalition to stop gun violence michael casserly executive director council of the great city schools dr carden johnston representing the american academy of pediatrics 2 an article by neal knox in which he describes how sarah brady kicked out hci president charles orasin because of a disagreement on chafees handgun ban 3 an article on burgers support for s 2913 file alarmist view gun registration an alarmist view by jon vanwormer reprinted from the december 1985 guns ammo how an rkba moderate became a radical file fackler papers a list of articles by col martin l fackler m d f a c s wound ballistics lab and where to write for copies of them file gun war the great american gun war by barry bruce briggs the public interest no 45 fall 1976 pp 37 62 file george will repeal second amendment and save lives by george will file reeves drastic steps to end the war at home by richard reeves no date nor publication available placed in rkba archive 9 2 92 studies prove gun control works by richard reeves from the kansas city star 9 28 92 file canada ban list a reproduction of a brochure from the canadian department of justice listing newly prohibited and restricted firearms as of june 1992 also included is the point system used to determine if a firearm should be reviewed for possible banning file copkiller lyrics to the rock song cop killer by ice t on the album body count file cva 1 a letter from the california voters alliance asking for support in their effort to defeat anti gun california assemblyman terry friedman co author of californias waiting period law for rifles and shotguns file astrology criminologys astrology the cdc approach to public health research on firearms and violence by paul h blackman ph d institute for legislative action national rifle association 1990 a paper presented at the annual meetings of the american society of criminology baltimore maryland november 7 10 file aw panic the assault weapon panic political correctness takes aim at the constitution by eric morgan and david kopel published by the independence institute october 10 1991 file state rkba a collection of rkba provisions from state constitutions file too late chapter 13 but then it was too late of they thought they were free the germans 1933 1945 by milton mayer university of chicago press file militia code the legal definition of the militia of the united states of america taken from united stated code usc title 10 section 311 and section 312 file legal mg crime report no 32 of the firearms coalition of silver spring md 11 29 89 by neal knox knox reports that a legally registered machine gun was used in a drug hit subsequent reports said charges were dropped for lack of evidence file hci cash hci donation records to us senators and congressmen file paulreverenet information about the paul revere net a network of 2nd amendment bulletin boards the paul revere network prn is a coast to coast network of committed grass roots gun rights activists who rely upon computer bulletin board systems for their primary mode of communication leroy pyle nra director and 27 year san jose police veteran is founder and director of the prn based in san jose ca pyles bbs 1 143 223 currently hubs all network message traffic file gun talk information about the nra ila bulletin board gun talk file congressgrades a grading of congressmen based their votes on 1 the brady bill hr7 2 staggers hr1412 and 3 the volkmer sensenbrenner amendment to strike the anti gun provisions from the house crime bill hr3371 file lawmaster feds trash law abiding gun owners home nra official journal march 1992 by richard e gardiner details how the batf raided the home of johnny lawmaster in search of a non existent unregistered m 16 auto sear file point blank the concluding chapter to point blank by gary kleck file purdy rapsheet patrick purdys criminal record file progundocs statement of purpose and contact information for doctors for integrity in research public policy file orlando a summary of the effects of the highly publicized orlando training program in which over 6000 women were trained in basic pistol marksmanship and the law of self defense file form4signoff a letter from wayne miller chief national firearms act branch of batf stating that local law enforcement signoff on the atf form 4 application for taxpaid transfer and registration of firearm i e machine gun is completely discretionary file badlands txt new zealand firearms control by robert badlands a paper presented at a conference on gun control held at melbourne university union theatre 27 28 august 1988 the conference was sponsored by the sporting shooters association of australia file danto txt issues regarding gun control in america by bruce l danto a paper was presented at a conference on gun control held at melbourne university union theatre 27 28 august 1988 the conference was sponsored by the sporting shooters association of australia file fine txt impediments to the purposeful reform of australian firearms laws by j d fine a paper presented at a conference on gun control held at melbourne university union theatre 27 28 august 1988 the conference was sponsored by the sporting shooters association of australia file greenwd txt untitled paper by colin greenwood a paper presented at a conference on gun control held at melbourne university union theatre 27 28 august 1988 the conference was sponsored by the sporting shooters association of australia file kates txt gun control recent research on the american experience by don b kates jr a paper presented at a conference on gun control held at melbourne university union theatre 27 28 august 1988 the conference was sponsored by the sporting shooters association of australia file marsden txt gun control a bankers perspective by marsden a paper presented at a conference on gun control held at melbourne university union theatre 27 28 august 1988 the conference was sponsored by the sporting shooters association of australia note this paper is almost impossible to read currently as the original would not scan well a more readable copy will be supplied later file backdoor back door gun control by peter alan kasler from the january 1993 issue of american survival guide magazine kasler discusses four examples of innocent people whose firearms are confiscated and or charged with a crime when none was committed as examples of how gun control is implemented in the real world file armed citizen the armed citizen feature from the american rifleman and the american hunter these stories show how firearms are indeed useful for self defense file botsford the case against gun control by david botsford file academia bias fighting anti gun bias in academia an article downloaded from the nra ila bbs gun talk file story of gun the story of a gun by erik larson from the atlantic january 1993 file hcr reports to the firearms coalition by neal knox all these files are named hcr then two numbers e g hcr51 for report no 51 to the firearms coalition file whose txt whose side are they on freedom from war the united states program for general and complete disarmament in a peaceful world an official publication of the united states of america government file nccfa contact information for the national collegiate coalition for firearms awareness file canada some facts about canadian gun control laws gun ownership and violent crime file time letter time magazines form letter response to criticism of their death by gun issue file gun in school health objectives for the nation weapon carrying among high school students united states 1990 edited by david dodell d m d proposes ways to reduce carrying of firearms by high school students file congress cover congress covers itself but not public by paul craig roberts printed in the cleveland plain dealer october 2nd 1992 file hamper restrictions hamper law abiding folks not criminals by david b kopel printed in the columbus oh dispatch january 16th points out how waiting periods can cause a great deal of harm file schumer gripe a washington post letter to the editor by congessman charles e schumer discussing his bill h r 5633 which requires law enforcement sign off on ffl applications file sof a upi article on a lawsuit against soldier of fortune which forced them out of business this article is copyright by upi and archived with permission please respect the re distribution prohibition file fl stats a summary of ccw permit statistics for the state of florida e g the number of permits issued number revoked number denied etc this proves that people obtaining ccw permits are law abiding citizens and are not wreckless with their firearms file knox on ruger knox replies to comment from ruger counsels from the new gun week december 1 1989 neal knox discusses how sturm ruger inc are willing to sacrifice the rkba for the benefit of their business file american blacks gun control and american blacks by raymond g kessler pp 476 478 in the united states the experience of blacks from slavery through the 1960s was one of the clearest and best documented examples of the political functions of gun control file nraction the nra ilas little known newsletter nraction names will have the month and year at the end e g nraction0291 file americamilitia americas militia by david b kopel appeared in gun world magazine december 1992 file hci93agenda the action agenda for a national gun policy by hci file hci newsletter the handgun control semi annual progress report for december 1992 file hattoripetition a petition written by the host family of japanese exchange student yoshihiro hattori who was killed when he went to the wrong home for a halloween party to protest the easy availability of firearms in the united states which will be presented to president clinton file hci election what the election means for our gun control movement by sarah brady file centerwall university of washington pyschiatrist dr brandon centerwall writing in the april 1989 american journal of epidemiology says that television exposure is related to half of the homicides in the united states file va outrage an outrage in virginia by neal knox describes how batf used a virginia gun dealer to general strawman sales and then later traced those guns back to va so they could claim 40 of guns they traced came from va when the dealer stopped cooperating they were convicted of conducting strawman sales one of the owners committed suicide file factcard93 the 1993 firearms fact card published by the nra ila file nejm43 a letter to the editor of the wall street journal by preston covey on the factoid you are 43 times more likely to kill someone you know with a gun than a criminal file gifford an op ed piece by dan gifford which appeared in the march 8 1993 issue of the cleveland plain dealer it discusses the issue of police abuses and citizen self defense against such abuses file reynolds an editorial gun makers must pay the price by mel reynolds d il member us house of representatives which appeared in the 02 15 93 issue of the chicago tribune file pozner gun control with vladamir pozner yes the commie and phil donahue from a feb 25 1993 broadcast on cnbc file trustpeople cato institute policy analysis no 109 july 11 1988 trust the people the case against gun control by david b kopel file bitterprice the british shooter pays a bitter price by keith g n nicholson from the american rifleman march 1993 file batman cartoon campaign for gun control from the march 8th 1993 issue of new american file batfss waco shootout evokes memory of warsaw 43 from the wall street journal monday march 15 1993 file academics contact information for academics for the second amendment file propaganda anti gun ownership propaganda by doan boal in the march 92 issue of survival guide file media fairness media fairness action plan is continuing by james h warner nra asst general counsel from american rifleman march 1993 page 54 this describes the fccs personal attack rule and how the nra may take advantage of this rule against broadcasters who attack the nra file artconf articles of confederation proposed by congress november 15 1777 ratified and effective march 1 1781 file pending bills a list of the currently pending gun control bills in the us seante and house of representatives file noduty self reliance for self defense police protection isnt enough by peter kasler file leftout the second amendment a right left out by doctor linda karen miller appearing in the american rifleman february 1993 p 33 file copsnguns what cops should know about the gun issue by leroy pyle from the may 1992 issue of guns ammo file crossfire a transcript of the wednesday march 3 1993 edition of the cnn show crossfire the participants are michael kinsley john sununu rep charles schumer d ny criminal justice subcmte and j f rep jack fields r tx file naziconnection the war on gun ownership still goes on gun controls nazi connection by craig peterson from the may 1993 issue of guns ammo file armedcriminal the armed criminal in america by james wright 1986 a research in brief published by the national institute of justice file bigotry bigotry symbolism and ideology in the battle over gun control by don kates from the 1992 public interest law review file flmurd ps file gamurd ps file idmurd ps file mtmurd ps file nodiscr ps file ormurd ps file pamurd ps file philmurd ps file utmurd ps file vamurd ps file wamurd ps file wvmurd ps ccw laws and murder rates in several states by clayton cramer these are all postscript files and require the use of postscript printer to print file hammer marion hammer on the failure of gun control downloaded from gun talk file threechiefs the views of police chiefs daryl gates la lee brown nyc leroy martin chicago on gun control and other civil rights rkba archive general information and anonymous ftp instructions the moderator of the firearms politics mailing list karl kleinpaste has agreed to set up an anonymous ftp archive directory for rkba related information this directory can be used for things like articles by kates wright tonso levinson supreme court decisions the ria vs us decision copies of legislation and so on its not meant to be for the discussions that normally appear here so in the future if youre looking for something check there first and then ask here instructions short version for techies the site is godiva nectar cs cmu edu place contributions into the directory usr0 anon pub firearms politics rkba the ftp commands get put mget or mput should work give the command type binary to be sure files are transferred correctly your files will be moved to the rkba directory to get a file use the commands get or mget i will maintain an index which you should get first to check if the file you want to read or write already is archived long version for non techies in order for you to use this archive your computer must be on the internet to connect to the archive site run the command ftp godiva nectar cs cmu edu if that doesnt work you cannot use this archive if the ftp command is successful youll get this prompt asking you for a login name godiva nectar cs cmu edu lvc instead of lvc your initials will appear answer this prompt with ftp next youll get this prompt asking your for your e mail address guest login ok send e mail address as password i would enter l v cipriani att com youll enter your own e mail address youll get these lines or similar as output remote system is unix using binary mode to transfer files next the command prompt is printed ftp if you do not get the line using binary mode to transfer files run the command type binary now youre logged in to the archive machine there are many directories on this machine but the two you are concerned with are usr0 anon pub firearms politics rkba and usr0 anon pub firearms politics incoming there are subdirectories to the rkba directory those are discussed below when you login to the system your directory is usr0 anon to retreive files change your current directory to the rkba directory with the command cd usr0 anon pub firearms politics rkba or cd pub firearms politics rkba to submit files change your directory to the incoming directory with the command cd usr0 anon pub firearms politics incoming or cd pub firearms politics incoming once you do this youll get another ftp prompt asking you to enter another command to find the names of the existing files in the directory you are in run the command ls l this will produce something like total 6021 r r r 1 karl 6932 jun 16 1992 dmn gratia ccp r r r 1 karl 69149 apr 5 19 20 index r r r 1 karl 18965 jun 16 1992 knox aw lies r r r 1 karl 10930 apr 30 1992 s361 r r r 1 karl 8958 jun 16 1992 wsj crimestrike r r r 1 karl 2649 jan 13 18 33 academia bias r r r 1 karl 935 mar 22 22 38 academics r r r 1 karl 36079 aug 4 1992 aclu and so on each line corresponds to one file reading right to left the fields are the file name the last modification date of the file the size of the file in bytes and some permission fields which you do not need to be concerned with to get a file run the command get followed by the name of the file you want for example get index or get noduty after the file is transfered to your machine a message like this transfer complete 19580 bytes received in 5 seconds 4 kbytes s you can repeat the get command for every file you want to retreive you can use the mget command to retreive multiple files if the file you want is in a subdirectory for example congress 103rd hr1025 you should change your directory to the appropriate subdirectory first and then retrieve it cd congress 103rd get hr1025 once youre finished you can log off with the command quit if you have a file you want to contribute the procedure is a little different first of all you should find out if the file already exists so get a copy of the index file with the procedure above and look it over to make sure you wouldnt repeat an entry the index will have a description of each of the files in the rkba directory for example file whitemanslaw white mans law by william r tonso from the december 1985 reason magazine once youve determined you wont be duplicating an entry login and change to the incoming directory command see above once you are in the incoming directory use the command put file name in this case put whitemanslaw again therell be a transfer complete so many bytes transfered in so many seconds message now your file is on the archive machine another thing to watch out for is duplicate file names be sure there isnt a file in the incoming directory that is called the same as the file you want to write if you use the same name youll overwrite the previous file or youll get an error message your file may have to be renamed if there is a conflict with a file by the same name in the rkba directory once your file is in the incoming directory send me an entry for the index file and i will add it to the file if you cannot use anonymous ftp and would still like to contribute a file email the file to me and ill take care of the rest if you submit a file and do not notify me it may be removed so be sure to let me know first if you have any questions feel free to ask me larry cipriani l v cipriani att com michael phelps external mjp vnet ibm com internal mjp bwa kgn ibm com mjp at kgnvmy and last but not least a disclaimer these opinions are mine windows how do i make ghostscript work what files do i need to download for ghostscript 2 5 2 i have never used ghostscript before so i dont have any files for it what i do have is gs252win zip which i downloaded from cica unfortunately it doesnt seem to work on its own but needs some more files that i dont have i want to run ghostscript both in windows 3 1 and in ms dos on a 386 pc i understand theres versions for both environments what are all the files i need to download and where can i get them any info would be appeciated steve w brewer rewerb w evets cl238405 ulkyvx louisville edu ude ellivsiuol xvyklu 504832lc guns re change of name i suggest another name change thomas parsli to vidkun quisling windows re why im not using dos 6 anymore mark woodruff cda90038 ucf1vm bitnet wrote this morning at 4 am while i was working on my research paper i had to reboot a hung dos program that did no disk i o from within windows 3 1 when my machine finished rebooting i found my windows directory and about two thirds of my other directories were irreversibly corrupted stuff deleted this sounds like what happened to my hd a month ago my hd was stacked with stacker v 2 0 i run dos5 suddenly everything hung up and most of the hd got corrupted directories changed into unreadable files with funny names in other words it is probably just the doubledisk part of dos6 that is troublesome i now use stacker v 3 0 and so far i have had no trouble elisabeth bull e mail eliza swix nvg unit no baseball re jewish baseball players in article 1993apr16 173252 7393 asd com scott asd com scott barman says wasnt ron bloomberg the former yankee who got the first base hit by a designated hitter jewish i have no idea nor do i care however id like to point out that blomberg got the first plate appearance by a designated hitter and the first walk by a designated hitter i am not sure but i do not think that he also got the first hit by a designated hitter bob vesterman medicine re selective placebo in article 1993apr17 125545 22457 rose com ron roth rose com ron roth writes otoh who are we kidding the new england medical journal in 1984 ran the heading ninety percent of diseases are not treatable by drugs or surgery which has been echoed by several other reports no wonder mds are not amused with alternative medicine since the 20 magic of the placebo effect would award alternative practitioners twice the success rate of conventional medicine 1 90 of diseases is not the same thing as 90 of patients in a world with one curable disease that strikes 100 people and nine incurable diseases which strikes one person each medical science will cure 91 of the patients and report that 90 of diseases have no therapy 2 a disease would be counted among the 90 untreatable if nothing better than a placebo were known of course mds are ethically bound to not knowingly dispense placebos dk baseball mark whiten i was on vacation all last week and didnt see any news at all could somebody fill me in on how st louis ended up with mark whiten in a trade who did we give up arocha allen watson dmitri young or did dal make a decent deal russ smith i dont know anything about xs but i know about some o george gervin on being an assistant coach windows re why im not using dos 6 anymore eliza tigern elisabeth bull writes mark woodruff cda90038 ucf1vm bitnet wrote this morning at 4 am while i was working on my research paper i had to reboot a hung dos program that did no disk i o from within windows 3 1 when my machine finished rebooting i found my windows directory and about two thirds of my other directories were irreversibly corrupted stuff deleted this sounds like what happened to my hd a month ago my hd was stacked with stacker v 2 0 i run dos5 suddenly everything hung up and most of the hd got corrupted directories changed into unreadable files with funny names in other words it is probably just the doubledisk part of dos6 that is troublesome i now use stacker v 3 0 and so far i have had no trouble this pretty much confirms my original impression after reading through the documentation on dos 6 the double space sounds nice but not on your primary disk ill probably wind up making a disk partition d and doublespacing it using it as an archive probably would be useful on floppy disks as well but on c uh uh i particularly disliked the note that said something like double space is irreversible cindy cindy tittle moore internet tittle ics uci edu bitnet cltittle uci bitnet uucp ucbvax ucivax tittle usnail po box 4188 irvine ca 92716 guns re waco inside story ap was re atf burns dhartung chinet chi il us dan hartung writes dear dear they could have come out no they probably couldnt if you had ever been tear gassed you wouldnt be so quick to condem medicine re thermoscan ear thermometer in article ashwin 93may1225032 leo gatech edu ashwin cc gatech edu ashwin ram writes does the thermoscan instrument really work it is supposed to give you a fast and accurate temperature reading in the ear how far in the ear does one have to insert the instrument is it worth the 100 it is currently selling for no they do not work well my doctor started using one recently and i thought the concept was so amazing that i bought one too the thing works by reading the infrared emissions from the ear drum the ear drum is hotter than the ear canal walls so you have to point the thing very carefully this means tugging on the top of the ear to straighten out the ear canal then inserting the thing snugly then pushing a button unfortunately there are many things that can go wrong it is almost impossible to aim the thing correctly when you do it on yourself i get readings which differ from each other by up to 2 degrees and may differ from an oral thermometer by up to 2 degrees i talked to one of the nurses in my doctors office recently about this and she said she didnt like them either for same reasons she did give me some instruction on how to tug on my ear and what correct insertion feels like but she said she thought it was impossible to do correctly on ones self she also said that she and other nurses had complained to the company about inaccurate readings and that someone from the company had told them to take great care to clean the infrared window at the end of the probe with alcohol from time to time she demonstrated this prior to reading my temperature and managed to get a reading within 0 5 degree of the oral temperature i took at home before driving to the drs office i have also noticed tha some nurses click the button then remove the probe immediately this causes wrong readings in my experience you have to leave the probe in a good 1 to 2 seconds after clicking the button to get a good measurement the nurse i talked with agreed i suspect that many people dont realize this and therefore get bad readings for yet another reason in short its a great idea it may work for some folks but i believe it doesnt work well for a person who wants to take his own temperature baseball re early bbddd returns in article 1993apr16 073051 9160 news cs brandeis edu st902415 pip cc brandeis edu writes just curious if anyone has started to standout early in the season in the bb ddd this year the tater that jack morris served to griffey the younger in his first at bat this year went 394 feet if i remember right ill have to check my scorecard at home i think thats the longest so far in the kingdome through the first stand five games there a weak showing despite some promising taterball candidates ben mcdonald rich delucia and the rest of the mariner bullpen making appearances anyone have the tape measure value for omar vizquels grand slam in the skydome jeff brown big enchilada of the brown bag lunches astronomy dept jbrown u washington edu u of washington jbrown phast phys washington edu guns re feds caught in another lie kdw icd ab com kenneth d whitehead writes well after 2 days of hearing that 3 of the bd bodies had been shot in the head horrors another jonestown crazed cultists child abusers whackos in waco last night the medical examiner was on tv and was pretty vehement in denying that any of them had bullet wounds he seemed just a tad upset at the feds for having spread that rumor funny the medical examiner today stated that there was no evidence one way or another that there were bullet wounds not a single autopsy has been performed so all reports are deemed speculative including reports that there were no bullet wounds before long i think all the kneejerk government apologists are going to start getting pretty pissed off at how easily they were misled before long i think all the kneejerk conspiracy theorists are going to start getting pretty pissed off at how easily they mislead themselves also pretty disappointed at being ignored by the coutnry the koresh cult standoff is over may his victims recquiescat in pace the above is a net moment of silence daniel a hartung dhartung chinet chinet com ask me about rotaract baseball re players rushed to majors i dont know if you could call him rushed but big ben mcdonald didnt much time at all in the minors of course that was because the balls used in aaa had seams too large and gave mcdonald blisters forcing him to go on the dl several times hes done most of his learning here in the majors of course gregg wild thing olson and mike deserved a cy young mussina didnt spend much time in the minors either i read somewhere that pitchers are less likely to need that much time in the minors anyway so maybe that has something to do with it lets go os why not admiral steve still reliving sept 30 1989 liu admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu commander in chief of the security division of the pi club earth chapter president of the earth chapter of the pi club founded april 1990 1993 world champions baltimore orioles why not series in the yards 1992 1993 stanley cup champions washington capitals committee for the liberation and intergration of terrifying organisms and their rehabilitation into society the only problem is that the abbreviation is clitoris from the polymorph episode of red dwarf the bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed this sig has been brought to you by frungy the sport of kings my god man drilling holes through his head is not the answer dr mccoy you know susanna hoffs has a really nice ass comment by m flanagan the pi club creating the largest signatures for the past nine months baseball re my 1993 predictions in article 1993apr6 143616 3588 infonode ingr com kenney tribe b17d ingr com writes i thought id post my predicted standings since i find those posted by others to be interesting sorry this is after opening day i certify that these were completed before the first pitch nl west the 2 best teams in baseball are in this division 1 atlanta braves awesome starters but offense could be a concern 2 cincinnati reds would not surprise me if they won it all 3 houston astros any team that signs uribe wont contend closer to 4 than 2 4 san diego padres plantier could be the sheffield of 1993 5 los angeles dodgers better pitching than the giants 6 san francisco giants because the rockies just stink 7 colorado rockies will become the seattle mariners of the nl nlcs montreal d atlanta braves fans yes im probably contradicting what i said in my nl west comment alcs new york d minnesota world series new york d montreal hating the yankees will be fashionable again nl mvp barry bonds or maybe mcgriff i guarantee that if bonds wins the mvp the giants will finish higher than 6th luigi randy palermo luigi csd sgi com fax 415 961 6502 silicon graphics computer systems 2011 n shoreline blvd mt view ca 94039 play an accordion go to jail thats the law windows re utility for updating win ini and system ini in article 1993apr20 085638 29338 news uit no sp odin nosubdomain nodomain svein pedersen writes i nead a utility for updating deleting adding changing ini files for windows do i find it on any ftp host svein in windows 3 0 there is a built in called sysedit exe that is just what you need windows 3 1 i dont know windows re can os 2 talk to windows for workgroups tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes can i run wfw s net utilities in a dos box or is there a way to actually get os 2 to talk to wfw will os 2 lanman clients talk to wfw following up to my own article i found that several people say that lan server clients can talk to wfw is this then also true for lan manager dont lan server and lan manager share common roots dazed and confused somewhat less so now tom haapanen tomh metrics com software metrics inc waterloo ont stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth now pull up thats how the corrado makes you feel car january 93 cars re braindead drivers who dont look ahead in article zdem0a 734809554 hgo7 zdem0a hgo7 hou amoco com donna martz writes so i block the would be passers not only for my own good but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it as a rule of philosophy i dont feel particularly sorry when somebody gets offed by his own stupidity but it does worry me when some idiot is in a position to cash in my chips too h h mayo well arent we just mr altruism himself just what the world needs another frustrated self appointed traffic cop well if you want to stick the nose of your car up the ass of a 50 foot semi i suppose its your neck however im not going to let you kill me in the bargain if you get frustrated by somebody delaying your inevitable death due to less that wise driving practices then tough thank god for the fourth of july for it yearly rids the earth of a considerable load of fools mark twain medicine re tuberculosis in article 206 ky3b uucp km ky3b pgh pa us ken mitchum writes i found out that tuberculosis appears to be the only medical as oppsed to psychiatric condition that one can be committed for and this is because very specific laws were enacted many years ago regarding tb i am certain these vary from state to state i think in illinois venereal disease the old ones not aids was included syphillis was for sure gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon cars re changing oil by self bobml mxmsd msd measurex com bob lagesse writes long silly discussion deleted and while youre at it why bother with removing the drain plug when you could remove the dipstick instead and suck it out from there with your mouth and then spit it out this suggestion isnt as far fetched as it sounds years ago in another time and place i used to do oil changes in boats powered by automotive engines in many cases there was no way to get any sort of a tray under the oil pan because it was boxed in by the bottom of the hull and various floation chambers on each side and if you did get something there youd spill all the oil out of it for sure trying to get it back out again so we used a small pump powered by an electric drill to suck the oil out the dipstick hole there was a long thin hose on the inlet side designed to fit down the dipstick tube and another thicker shorter hose on the outlet side that you put into any convenient container im sure these gadgets are still available from marine hardware suppliers if you want one mart l molle computer systems research institute university of toronto toronto canada m5s 1a4 416 978 4928 baseball re infield fly rule in article 1qmrciinnoin gap caltech edu shippert cco caltech edu tim shippert writes about the infield fly rule so if hes feeling lucky your runner at second can sprint for glory as soon as the ball is popped up if it isnt caught hes probably scored a run if it is hes probably headed for aaa unless hes deion sanders in which case he just heads back to the dugout and waits for his next base running blunder opportunity econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke edu fls econ duke s to my correspondents my email has been changed e l my new address is fls econ duke edu d f if mail bounces try fls raphael acpub duke edu u guns re your evil tax dollars at work was re atf burns ranch etc etc mark mark sachs mbs110 psuvm psu edu wrote oh then why did the smoke and flames start from three different places in particular three different places where there were no apvs the crushed remains of a pressurized propane tank were found in the ruins of the bd compound the key word is pressurized when that baby was crushed the gas would have gone all over the place and when ignited would look just like the pictures of the explosion we saw on the tv news ammo doesnt go up all at once kind of like fireworks going off propane gas goes off in a big fireball gee thats kind of consistent with what the pictorial history shows hmmmmm and if the government did start the fire then why werent people trying to get out of the compound remember pressurized gas people all over the building conflagration in less than a minute huge explosion gas masks being worn by the inhabitants makes a lot of sense that very few of those on the inside would even know that the tank was damaged if they thought it was just a normal fire they would probably be trying to put it out then boom the fireball after that explosion and concussion i doubt anybody on the inside of the building was capable of moving and besides oh i dont know why im even bothering good question take an objective look at what happened listen to the things that the fbi said the bds started the fire the bds bodies were found with gunshot wounds that are now being refuted by the evidence being recovered seems that the fbi is deliberately making statements that have no rational basis in fact and trying to make them sound like fact i find it tremendously chilling that so many people seem eager to believe a murderous heavily armed religious cult despite much evidence to the contrary thought experiment suppose this exact same thing happened under the bush administration what would your answer be then would you still prefer to believe the cultists yes i would still believe that the fbi and the batf were on a non stop string of lies and half truths this is consistent with their operations on numerous occasions and as for the bds being murderous they did not cause any problems until they were assaulted by the batf so now a thought experiment for you if the batf had never stormed that farm would four agents and 90 bds be dead today no i dont really expect a response to that challenge but then again that is how mr clinton was elected by people who believe that his campaign promisses would be respected by him once he got into office um isnt that how all politicians are elected yes that is how politicians are elected kind of scary isnt it now if we as a people actually held mr clinton to his promises instead of apologizing and denying that he ever made them and actually expected accountability by our government i doubt that debacles like waco would happen as often as they do so is there any particular reason the gummint decided to slaughter eighty people are they like just plain evil or what did they just wake up one day stretch and yawn and throw a dart at a map of the united states to figure out who to oppress that day im eager to know acutally no the batf has a rather checkered history of staging raids of this sort just prior to the time when their budget comes up for review oddly enough their budget was about to be reviewed just two weeks after the initial raid on the bds coincidence i think not and as for the fire what happened was caused by the act of knocking over walls with an armored vehicle of destruction the fbi tried to convince the world it was suicide but all of the facts that are coming out by the investigation of the texas rangers and medical examiners point to a gas explosion and quick fire that decimated all of the occupants of the building sounds to me like a law enforcement agency that is trying to cover its ass and does bill clinton have cooler theme music than darth vader how is he on diabolical laughter does he look good in a cape these things must be investigated you first oh please if you want to argue argue if you merely want to demean those who see this differently than you then please go somewhere else mark sachs is mbs110 psuvm psu edu keith marchington cars re opel owners boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article c5sxi4 j9b news cso uiuc edu cka52397 uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes gibbonsa fraser sfu ca darren gibbons writes im looking for information on opel cars now you ask which model well the sad truth is im not entirely sure but its a two seater with roll over headlights hard top and really sporty looking my friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition body wise but he transmission has seized up on him so it hasnt run for a while does anyone have any info on these cars the engine compartment looks really tight to work on but it is in fine shape and i am quite interested in it thanks darren gibbons gibbonsa sfu ca this would be the manta would it not sold through buick dealers in the mid 70s as the price leader sounds a lot more like an opel gt to me id guess that this is on the same chassis as the kadett rather than the bigger manta but i could easily be wrong i think the later kadetts were sold here as buick opels craig i think the manta is the european name for the gt im pretty sure that the only kadetts sold here were are the pontiac lemans i think the gt is just an early 70s to mid 70s manta chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area cars re taurus sable rotor recall we get about 20 taurus sables for fleet cars at our site every year then the company sells them a year later to employees the folks i know who drive buy them have no complaints the cars seem to drive real nice too windows re workgroup questions conven ram and licensing in article 0ra6abh107h eosvcr wimsey bc ca aew eosvcr wimsey bc ca alan walford writes i would be very appreciative if someone would answer a few questions about windows for workgroups i currently have novell netware lite which does not work with windows very well and is a conventional memory hog ver 1 1 i am considering moving all our machines to w4wg q1 how much conventional ram does w4wg use over and above the driver for the network card about 2 5kbyte without novell 3 11 support q2 if i have a novell ne2000 card are the lsl and ipx drivers still needed no q3 does w4wg do a license check over the network to ensure each machine is running its own licenced copy of w4wg note i do not want to break the license agreement and i will buy a copy of w4wg for each of our machines it is just that i would like to try it out first to see if it meets our needs returning one opened copy is much easier than returning n opened copies no q4 if you buy the upgrade to windows 3 1 for w4wg does it replace all of win 3 1 as you install it or does it depend on current win 3 1 files nearly all q5 if i install windows nt on my server when it comes out will i have any troubles with the w4wg machines we run mixed wnt beta and w4wg no problem apart from printer sharing beta problem when i started this message i was going to ask only 2 questions but i got carried away ill stop now we had problems with mouse drivers using w4wg where windows 3 1 didnt seems to be more critical about it it was actualy a port problem with the network card running on 0x2e0 we changed it to 0x300 now everything is allright i think it has to do with the ami bios as well i look forward to your replies al alan walford eos systems inc vancouver b c canada tel 604 734 8655 aew eosvcr wimsey bc ca or uunet wimsey bc ca eosvcr aew ralf rutherford telecom aust mhsnet rruther cssc melb tansu com au network services snail 700 blackburn rd clayton vic 3168 customised software solutions australia center melbourne phone 61 3 253 8910 fax 61 3 265 6669 baseball re hbp bb big cat the original poster wanted to know how the big cat looked i was also at the saturday game in montreal apr 17 that rockies won 9 1 i havent paid much attention to gallarraga since he left the expos but his stance seemed to be much different he stands more erect and very open with his left foot pointing to 3rd base im wondering if this is a recent change in stance for him andres had one glaring weakness as a hitter he could always be fooled by a curve ball low and away if this is indeed a new stance for him maybe he is not being fooled as easily as for his patience dennis martinez definitely did not have his good stuff if he was grooving pitches to andres you can hardly fault him for drilling them which he did does andres generally start hot or cold does it take until may for most pitchers to have confidence in that curve ball low and away roger healey windows wanted sample source for editing controls hi everyone i would like to get an example program source code to get started with a simple editor similar to windows dialog editor but lot simplified can someone point me to a source such as a programming windows book or example program comes with windows sdk from microsoft or borland i would greatly appreciate it all i want to do is to be able to place a edit control or combobox or a listbox on a window and be able to drag and resize if anyone has written similar program and dont mind sharing code or ideas i would appreciate it very much thnx in advance manu das please send me directly at manu oas olivetti com guns re hb 1776 passes the texas house hb 1776 is for concealed carry in texas it provides for licensing citizens to carry concealed firearms if they pass an instruction course 30 hours if i remember correctly pay a 140 fee good for 4 years and meet several other criteria related to personal character etc while i dont agree with all of the criteria i feel its high time that pro gun types fight the same way hci et al do by getting incremental changes in the law daryl daryl biberdorf n5gjm d biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura baseball when does fred mcgriff of the padres become a free agent baseball re whats with all these scores sean garrison writes alright i have one thing to say i dont know if its just me but i thought this newsgroup is a place for discussion why must people constantly post these little messages about how a certain team is winning in a certain inning i mean come on how many people are so dependent on this newsgroup that they have to find out the scores mid game here cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes amen i hear ya brother take a look at the timestamps on some of the posts you read sometime the propagation delays are significant often hours or even days and even people who have access to machines which are close to the poster on the network lets try weeks it is april 18th today and i just finished reading posts regarding the cleveland indians boating tragedy needless to say i dont want to read partial linescores of games played 3 weeks ago as charles mentioned i excluded the quote join a mailing list if you want to woof i consider entering 4th inning scores as woofing thank you now to plug on and read the rest of the posts about spring training jim savoy university of lethbridge savoy hg uleth ca sigless and bible black cars header for 89 honda civic si hello i am looking to slightly increase the performance of my 89 honda civic si i was wondering if anyone could suggest upgrades that were not too drastic i thought that one of the easiest upgrades would be a new header does anyone know what kind of increase that the header would give me i think i would check with jackson racing for the part are there any other comparines would make honda parts are there any other small changes that can be easily made and wont screw up the car things like new injectors new fuel injection chip etc i would welcome any suggestions of small changes that would make a difference i dont really want to change the cam etc because i have heard that it would be much harder on the engine e mail relpies prefered please and i will post a summary of all the replies thanks for any help you may have to offer jeff smith jsmith cs dal ca dalhousie university halifax ns baseball dave kingman for the hall of fame hi baseball fans so what do you say dont you think he deserves it i mean heck if dave winfield ho hum is seriously being considered for it as is lee smith ha then why dont we give dave kingman a chance or darrell evans yeah yeah after the hall of fame takes in them it can take in eddie murray and jeff reardon well in any case i am sick and tired mostly sick of everybody giving hall of fame consideration to players that are by todays standards marginal honestly ozzie smith and robin yount dont belong there theyre both shortstops that just hung around for a long time big deal lets be a little more selective huh stop handing out these honors so liberally save them for the guys who really deserve it face it if something isnt done there will be little prestige in the hall of fame anymore when certain individuals believe that steve garvey or jack morris are potential candidates the absurdity is apparent gee can these guys even compare to the more likely future hall of famers like kirby puckett or nolan ryan steve religion re question for those with popular morality hudson these people hurt their own bodies why cant they hurt other peoples bodies too me because other people might not want to be hurt hudson and hurting them against their will is a violation of choice hudson so why is someone elses will such a big deal if morality is all relative i dont believe i ever said that morality was all relative what i said was that i can make my mind up on my own thank you and that you dont have the right to tell others what to think i think that you will find that in most moral systems there is a respect for human life and the dignity of the person it is all the stuff besides these points that forms the core of the disagreement between primitive moral absolutists like yourself and the rest of us hudson maybe the insane lover of pain might reason if other people experienced enough pain they might learn to enjoy it too fine there is still the clinical definition of crazy and this also involves a violation of free will because the insane lover of your little example would be inflicting pain on a non willing subject try again hudson you have to have other premises to derive this me no you dont that is a patently false statement hudson you have to have some sort of premise about choice or self awareness no you do not i demonstrated to you the example of the football team which doesnt require premises about freedom of choice or sentience self awareness as i said you are wrong and you dont seem to know much about moral systems if i were you i would take david bolds suggestion and do some reading on the subject before you try preaching about it guns re waco inside story ap was re atf burns in a previous article dhartung chinet chi il us dan hartung says dear dear they could have come out so could the defenders in the alamo youre clearly missing the point here typically i might add if it were me i doubt that i would have come out batf show up start shooting at me etc then they paint me a child molesting murdering fanatic call up tanks hundreds of automatic armed goons restrict press access to two miles away come on if i can watch pictures of burned women and children in bosnia on cnn why am i being limited to a two mile away replay of a fire in waco huh answer me that guns re gun control was re were mad as hell at the tv news in article c519mt apq magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes jim de arras jmd cube handheld com wrote in article c4u3x5 fw7 magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes i dont know how anyone can state that gun control could have no effect on homicide rates there were over 250 accidental handgun homicides in america in 1990 most with licensed weapons more american children accidentally shot other children last year 15 than all the handgun homicides in great britain source national safety council please no dictionary arguments about rates vs total numbers okay theyre offered for emphasis not comparison youre a great debater you chose your sources of information claim them to be superior im not aware of using any numbers from the ozone unless you consider those i got from you to be such ive made no such claim please direct my attention towards any posting of mine where i claimed superior sources of information its probably because i bothered to post any references at all while others seem content to post numbers pulled from the ozone that youve confused it with fact twisting if so i apologize yes you state the reference and then you claim its a good or fair treatment then take those twisted numbers and twist them further by trying well then heres fair opportunity for you to prove that ive twisted numbers on what grounds do you contradict those references do you have any citations any sources of your own that i can take similar gratuitous shots at you fail to see the differences between absolute numbers and rates to compare absolute numbers between two countries that have major population differences the usa and gb and then whine that you are afraid someone might attack your process and so claim the numbers are for emphasis not comparison emphasis of what nitpicking and scolding is a whiney debating style jim no you just miss the point by your methods i can prove gun control to be a total failure new yorks total homocide count with its strict gun control is much higher than rhode islands with its less strict gun control far more folks are killed in new york than rhode island therefore according to mane logic tm gun control has made new york a much more dangerous place than rhode island remember its nitpicking and a whiney debating style to point out the differences between new york and rhode island that might defeat my argument anything else is blowing smoke you seddit brudda now you agree wow a break through stephen manes manes magpie linknet com manes and associates new york ny usa o o jim guns re waco fire dhartung chinet chi il us dan hartung writes of course true or no this is a clever attempt to make them seem harmless folk minding their own business nice touch using the word seem dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com the u s government has become a garrotte around the necks of its citizens just as with a garrotte the more people struggle to breathe the air of freedom the more the government tightens its stranglehold the only possible outcomes at this point are the death of government or the elimination of personal freedom baseball texas rangers roster please help i need a little help from a texas rangers expert i was at yankee stadium sunday 12 2 texas rout with my kids we wandered out to the outfield during rangers batting practice and i caught a ball tossed into the stands actually wrestled some guy a bit i might add by 62 on the rangers who is he looked like a bullpen assistant type youngish i think he was not in the roster listed in the yankee scorecard any ideas please e mail as i havent been reading r s b regularly thanks bob name bob dorin company kendall square research email dorin ksr com ksr dorin baseball re baseballisdead in article 1993apr8 195853 10650 midway uchicago edu as16 midway uchicago edu writes my question to you all is why does the media seem to embrace the theme of the death of baseball so strongly i have seen articles of a similar vein in the chicago tribune and in sports editorials on tv maybe because baseball is the only business where those who are responsible for the fiscal aspects of the game preach gloom and doom these allegedly intelligent people seem to predict bad times losing money bankruptcies at an alarming rate and theres going to be an increased degradation of the product they produce could you imagine ibm with all their problems promoting themselves the way major league baseball does their stock would plummet to unthinkable depths not that they are too far from it now what would happen at gm where would gm be if they admitted to cutting corners and producing an inferior product because of alleged labor problems i think it shows a lack of confidence for the people who run the game anyway it just frustrates me when the media says such things because it inevitably leads to owners trying quick fixes like increasing play offs to satisfy television or trying interleague play to drum up interest forget it word has it three divisions with a wild card is just about a done deal it has to be decided soon since negotiations with the networks also have to begin soon scott barman mets mailing list feed the following into your shell scott asd com mail mets request asd com subscribe lets go mets medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition have you ever met a chemist a food industry businessman you must personally know a lot of them for you to be able to be so certain that they are evil mosters whose only goal is to inflict as much pain and disease as possible into the general public gimme a break in article 1993apr15 215826 3401 rtsg mot com lundby rtsg mot com walter f l undby writes is there such a thing as msg monosodium glutamate sensitivity superstition anybody here have experience to the contrary person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are too i want to know why the food industry wants to put msg in food because it makes the food taste better why does it put salt in food same reason i really dont understand obviously somebody in the industry give me some reasons why is it an industrial byproduct that needs getting get rid of of course not although i would think that a person like you would be a big fan of such recycling if that were the case is it to cover up the fact that the recipes are not very good or the food is poor quality on occasion thats probably the case but in general the idea is that msg improves the flavor of certain foods do some of you get a sadistic pleasure out of making some of us sick no do the taste testers have some defect in their flavor sensors mouth etc that msg corrects no i really dont understand obviously also nitrosiamines sp as i recall these are natural by products of heating up certain foods they dont put it in there have a number of criteria in choosing how to process food they want to make it taste good look good sell for a good price etc the fact that they use it tells me that they think that it contributes to those goals they are interested in one of those goals is not making people sick such a goal woud quickly drive them out of business and for no benefit i think 1 outlaw the use of these substances without warning labels as large as those on cig packages warning of what in california there is a law requiring that anything which contains a carcinogen be labeled that includes every gasline pump most foods and even money cleaning machines because nickel is a mild carcinogen the result is that now nobody pays any attention to any of the warnings 2 require 30 of comparable products on the market to be free of these substances and state that they are free of msg dyes nitrosiamines and sulfites on the package why what if not 30 of people wanted to buy this ugly rotten not as tasty food i guess it will just be wasted huh how terribly efficient 3 while at it outlaw yellow dye 5 for that matter why dye food because it makes food look better i like food that looks good if vitamin companies want to do that it is fine but who are you to tell them how to make vitamins who are you to tell me whether i should buy flavored vitamins for my kids who cant swallow the conventional ones whole keep food food quit putting in junk how do you define junk is putting salt in food bad what about pepper what about alcohol as a preservative what about sealing jars with wax what about vinegar you seem to think that chemicals are somehow different than food the fact is that all foods are 100 chemicals you are just expressing an irrational prejudice against food processing brian windows re telephone of cirrus logic in article c63m1s m86 news hawaii edu chen galileo ifa hawaii edu hua chen writes is there anybody who knows the telephone number of cirrus logic co maker of a graphic card please reply to chen cfa harvard edu thank you very much hua chen center for astrophysics bbs number 510 226 2365 ron cars re another taurus sho question in article 1993apr14 064702 26925 reed edu rseymour reed edu writes the taurus sho for those who can get it straight it is s h o as in super high output not sho as in show has a yamaha 3 0l dohc 24 valves sho v 6 having spoken to technical staff from ford many times i can assure you that internally at ford this car is always called the taurus show or just the show as in long o sound i still refer to it as the s h o however because it sounds better to me i assume many purist fans and owners prefer using the ford lingo tim gardner guns re change of name we all know what a quisling is right obviously we dont vidkun quisling is known to be a traitor in norway not a censor if i have betrayed my country norway bescause i implied that som of you jumped to conclusions sound a little paranoid then i think there is a lot of quislings in norway perhaps i wasnt sufficiently clear i was not accusing you of being a quisling the quislings are in our own u s government throwing away the peoples right to keep and bear arms at least thats where the ones that i intended to refer to are i figured that people on this newsgroup would interpret that as intended but obviously something of my intent got lost steve cars re dumb options list in article 93apr16 185044 18431 acs ucalgary ca parr acs ucalgary ca charles parr writes the idea here is to list pointless options you know stuff you get on a car that has no earthly use 1 power windows i like my power windows i think theyre worth it however cruise control is a pretty dumb option whats the point if youre on a long trip you floor the gas and keep your eyes on the rear view mirror for cops right power seats are pretty dumb too unless youre unlucky enough to have to share your car otherwise youd just adjust it once and just leave it like that allen tom youre not like the others you like the same atom soda berkeley edu things i do wax paper boiled football atom netcom com leather dog breath were not hitchhiking anymore were riding ren cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article apr22 202724 24131 engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu eliot writes the subarus all use 180 degree vees in their engines eliot wouldnt that make them an i4 or would they really be an 4 henceforth referred to as underscore 4 kenneth finnegan nrlssc navy mil baseball re a true story way to go omar in article 1993apr14 173236 14321 esca com vigil esca com sandra vigil writes yesterday april 14th a friend and i were discussing the theory put forth by a local sports radio station personality that the commissioner less baseball owners had snuck a live ball into this years baseball games in an effort to increase home run numbers and attract fans its always possible but if this is the case i think that there is some blatant discrimination going on here clearly selig is allowing the opposition to use pre 1920 baseballs against the dodgers well guess who stepped up to the plate for his first career grand slam last night against the jays none other than my boy it was truly a sight to behold and almost more impressive was that he also got an intentional walk we will stretch no farm animal beyond its natural length paula koufax cv hp com paul andresen hewlett packard 503 750 3511 home 3006 nw mckinley corvallis or 97330 503 752 8424 a sabr member since 1979 windows re ms windows access for the blind in 1993apr22 235454 18199 seas gwu edu louray seas gwu edu michael panayiotakis writes at the micro oft display at fose there were a few computers running windows and win apps for the blind i think didnt pay much attention to it but it was there it seems that a particular program designed for blind people is more important than trying to interface windows with a way for blind people to use it if someone made a voice recognition multimedia sound oriented program it would probably been more effective i dont know what the original purpose of interfacing windows was for the person who posted the question though kirk membry our age is the age of industry rutgers viamar kmembry alexander rodchenko guns re lavishly funded gun epidemic propaganda campaign to commence in article c4txek fcq magpie linknet com manes magpie linknet com steve manes writes morris the cat rats cbnewsc cb att com wrote well as neal knox of the firearms coalition points out the full force of the anti gun ruling class their multi millions their polling organizations their schools their news media their entertainment media the entertainment media a force of the anti gun ruling class is this the same media thats made billions producing films and television that glorify guns and gun users or is that another anti gun media youve got to be kidding im afraid he isnt they are a hypocritical lot al standard disclaimer guns re atf burns dividian ranch update 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes ah yes i see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork to defend the burning of the children actually all the liberals ive seen have deplored the burning of children i would far preferred that the davidians had not set the fire that burned themselves and their children to death but i dont believe that the responsibility for the fire or the almost complete absense of attempts to escape the blaze can be placed at the door of the federal authorities probably drooled all over themselves while watching the tv coverage not so my wife got me a convenient plastic drip pan for christmas probably had a few like that in nazi germany as well yeah those nazis you know how we liberals just love those nazis oh yeah atf fbi now claims according the the media that there are a few survivors the number seems to vary minute by minute yeah as information trickles in funny how that works nathan engle software juggler psychology department indiana university nate psygate psych indiana edu nengle silver ucs indiana edu medicine lasers for dermatologists having had limited tinea pedis for more than 30 years and finding it resistant to all creams and powders i have tried i wonder why dermatologists do not use lasers to destroy the fungus it would seem likely to be effective and inexpensive are there good reasons for not using lasers i was told that dermatology had not yet reached the laser age john mckay vax2 concordia ca deep ideas are simple odd groups are even even simples are not cars honda accord brake problem my honda accord just hit the magic 100 000 mile mark and now all sorts of things are beginning to go bad the latest problem i am experiencing is with my brakes they still stop the car fine but once i am stopped completely my brake pedal will sink another 2 or 3 inches all by itself if feels really strange and i am worried my brakes will quit working one of these days i checked my brake fluid and the reservoir was full but the fluid itself looked really dirty like dirty oil i called my mechanic and he told me i need a new brake master cylinder which will cost me a whopping 250 300 i was just wondering if anyone out there has experienced this sort of thing if so is my mechanic being honest or do i simply need to have my brakes bled and new fluid put in any help you could provide would be appreciated please send replies directly to me as i rarely have a chance to read this list i will post the responses if there is any interest thanks joni ciarlett mizar usc edu guns re batf fbi murders almost everyone in waco today 4 19 in c5rynw iz8 news udel edu roby chopin udel edu scott w roby writes and i suppose the fbi also prevented them from coming out with their hands up while national tv cameras watch would you have come out if you knew the only national tv cameras were well over a mile away and yet the agents with the guns were only a few yards away they had contact with a lawyer so i am inclined to believe they had an idea of what their situation actually was this also leads to the conspiracy theory that the lawyer had the batf pinned on rights violations if the bds acted as witnesses hence the arson i doubt that one too but it is still quite clear that leaving a safe place to surrender is a rather stupid thing to do until that place is no longer safe do you disbelieve everything the fbi says as a matter of course given how theyve allowed no other views to be heard ill reserve judgement until the trial but so far as the fbi is concerned their statements carry the same amount of weight as photons at rest the batf is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair but to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is ludicrous ludicrous yes possible yes plausible get the jury if the fire were set by accident or by people outside the compound i would have expected far more cult members to flee the compound or at least come out shooting thats what gets me too it is likely the cult members were holed up in an enforced place inside the building with a decent arson attempt i suspect many of them could have been trapped in addition the introduction of cs gas for several hours would have rendered many of them immobile if not unconscious when their masks quit all the props are there but proving what scene was played is difficult the only certainty is that the fbi and batf have few witnesses against them dan sorenson dod 1066 z1dan exnet iastate edu viking iastate edu isu only censors what i read not what i say dont blame them usenet post to exotic distant machines meet exciting unusual people and flame them medicine re compartment syndrome general information references etc in article 639 cfdd50 boeing com lry1219 cfdd50 boeing com larry yeagley writes i have an acquaintance who has been diagnosed as having blood clots and compartment syndrome i searched the latest edition of the columbia medical encyclopedia and found nothing mosbys medical dictionary gives a very brief description which suggests its an arterial condition can someone point me an compartment syndrome occurs when swelling happens in a compartment bounded by fascia the pressure rises in the compartment and blood supply and nerves are compromised the treatment is to open the compartment surgically the most common places for compartment syndromes are the forearm and calf it is an emergency since if the pressure is not relieved stuff will die gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon guns re blast them next time from article 1r19l9 7dv usenet ins cwru edu by oldham ces cwru edu daniel oldham what happened in waco is not the fault of the batf if they would of had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened they did have the proper equipment the problem is that they went about things the wrong way the atf should have served the warrant in a peacable manner instead of going in there like a bunch of rambos with guns blazing im not trying to excuse what david koresh did im just saying that the atf henceforth to be known as the cigarette cops went about the raid in an improper manner the batf needs more people better weapons and more armored transports when they meet hostile fire they should be able to use more force instead of retreating to a stand off if you are going to do a job then do it right the batf is there to protect us and they must have the proper equipment and people to do the job let the fbi customs and local police officers do the atfs job we dont need them anymore the cigarette cops are just leftovers from prohibition days they are an anachronism with the wod and the increased crime in the streets the batf is needed more now then ever if they blast away a few good fokes then that is the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country look at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country of ours including you what if the cigarette cops kicked down your door and cut you in half with a machine gun this could actually happen maybe they get the wrong address and then raid your home for example its happened before and it can happen again i have heard of more than one instance of a no knock raid going sour just recently i heard about a case in which police raided this guys home because they thought he had dope or something the guy blew both of the officers away and he didnt go to jail for it the judge hearing the case ruled that the man was acting in self defense with the arms build up in waco they needed to hit that compound with mega fire power they could of gone in there blasting and killed a few women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn to death 51 days later are you sure that that would have been the way to go surely the fbi and atf could have handled this fiasco better they didnt have to massacre all those people as stimpy said in fake dad shame shame double shame the fbi and atf should be ashamed of theirselves scott kennedy brewer and patriot before david koresh is a cheap thug who interprets the bible through the barrel of a gun atf spokesman after the atf is a cheap thug who interprets the constitution through the barrel of a gun me windows re re challenge to microsoft supporters i get the picture i just find it humorous that running windows 3 1 apps 3 0 for 2 0 is what makes os 2 more credible cliff medicine re info colonics and purification in article 1rjn0einnnqn minerva cis yale edu wiesel elisha yale edu elisha wiesel writes recently ive come upon a body of literature which promotes colon cleansing as a vital aid to preventive medicine through nutrition no doubt the sci med folks are getting out their flamethrowers im rather certain that the information you got was not medical literature in the accepted academic scientific journals so the righteous among them will no doubt jump on that also insofar as it doesnt conform to the accepted medical presumption that it just doesnt matter what you eat and that we can think of the gi tract as a black box in which nothing ever goes wrong except for maybe cancer and ulcers the righteous will no doubt jump on that too then therell be the ones who call your doctor a raving quack even though he like linus pauling is lucid and robust well into his nineties but nevermind about that he shouldnt charge for his equipment and supplies since theyre no doubt not approved by the fda of course with fda approval an md or pharmaceutical company can charge whatever they can get for such safe and effective treatments as thalidomide but nevermind about that either unfortunately you dared to step into the sacred turf of net medical discussion without a credential and without understanding that the righteous among them will make certain that you are suitably denounced before dismissing you as a fool but maybe somebody without such a huge chip on their shoulder will send you some reasonable responses by e mail 1 2 1 2 oh yes i did have a point a few years ago an md with a thriving practice in a very wealthy part of silicon valley once recommended that i take such treatments to clear up a skin condition not through his office i might add although im sure thats not conclusive it was sure an unusual prescription r baseball re old predictions to laugh at in article c5jcrf krm news udel edu philly ravel udel edu robert c hite writes dead wrong last time i checked jim fregosi was still managing the phillies and doing quite a fine job thank you best record in baseball at 8 1 look asshole i got him confused with somebody else i didnt flame you and i would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy no i dont know everything in the world does that surprise you valentine cars re auto air conditioning without freon in article 1993apr19 220321 4565 research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com chris behanna writes in article 1993apr16 160825 25622 newsgate sps mot com rapw20 email sps mot com writes in article 1993apr15 222600 11690 research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com chris behanna writes several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for r12 you dont hear about them because the mobile air conditioning society macs that is the people who stand to rake in that 300 to 1000 per retrofit per automobile have mounted an organized campaign to squash those r12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether on very shaky technical grounds at best on outright lies at worst now im not saying youre wrong because i know that the r 12 substitutes exist but this sounds a lot like the 200mpg carbs that the oil companies keep us all from getting it sounds crazy but its true one of the best r 12 subsitutes ghg 12 is currently a commercial product unfortunately the sae committee on mobile air conditioning is comprised almost exclusively of macs members such being the case no papers about any alternative refrigerant other than r 134a have been accepted for review publication yo john you want to provide some more details or should i just repost your voluminous repost later chris behanna dod 114 1983 h d fxwg wide glide jubilees red lady behanna syl nj nec com 1975 cb360t baby bike disclaimer now why would nec 1991 zx 11 needs a name agree with any of this anyway i was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs we here are very interested in info on r12 substitutes in fact i think we really need all the info on this we can get i would really appreciate technical supply and hardware upgrade details also r12 is a useful solvent reagent in the extraction production of certain pharmaceuticals any info on the substitutes corresponding usefullness i am currently working with the local engineers who are making sure we are compliant with the regulations the trouble with regulations is that they only tell you what you are no longer permitted to do not what you should do instead i think the cause of the new regulations is the montreal protocol which has a definite cfc phase out schedule of course the cause of the montreal protocol was all the research done on the causes of the ozone depletion problem someone asked earlier about why the governments were working so fast to ban the ozone depleting cfc chemicals and not gasolines and other greenhouse gas producing compounds the greenhouse effect produced by infrared trapping gasses like co2 and methane and the ozone hole problem produced by long lived chlorine containing molecules are not the same thing it is a lot easier to do something about not using the cfcs chloro fluorocarbons than it is to stop producing co2 and methane which are natural byproducts of combustion and of living animal organisms planting more trees and not destroying so many existing trees would help the greenhouse gas problem but would do nothing for the ozone problem fred w bach operations group internet music erich triumf ca triumf tri university meson facility voice 604 222 1047 loc 327 278 4004 wesbrook mall ubc campus fax 604 222 1074 university of british columbia vancouver b c canada v6t 2a3 these are my opinions which should only make you read think and question they do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers baseball camden yards i am fortunate enough to have tickets for an orioles red sox game in baltimore on saturday july 31st i havent been to the new park and i was wondering if anyone out there can give me pointers or good tips or anything helpful about the place so that i can enjoy every moment spent there for instance what time do the gates open do we see the orioles take bp when will the red sox take bp anything you can tell me would be appreciated thank you in advance please respond to my e mail address i know its still three and a half months away but im psyched sue windows help on bitmaps i wonder if anyone can tell me whether or not i can create a bitmap of any size i followed the bitmap creation example in sdk manual and specified a 24x24 bitmap set the width height to 24 and supplied a byte string with 72 chars but i just cannot get the right bitmap image i changed the width height to 32x32 and used the same value string padded with zero byets to make up to the right size and got the image the example in the manual is 64x32 size which are multiple of 2 bytes can you define a bitmap image of any size thanks very much g chen chen citr uq oz au g chen centre for information technology research university of queensland australia 4072 chen citr uq oz au tel 61 7 365 4325 fax 61 7 365 4399 medicine re natural anti cancer aids remedies in article 19604 pitt uucp geb cs pitt edu gordon banks writes in article 1993apr6 165840 5703 cnsvax uwec edu mcelwre cnsvax uwec edu writes the biggest reason why the cost of medical care is so extremely high and increasing is that natural methods of treatment and even diagnosis are still being systematically ignored and suppressed by the money grubbing and power mongering medical establishment thats not the half of it did you realize that all medical doctors have now been replaced by aliens yup by the way what planet are you from and once you got here did you encounter those prejudices against foreign medical graduates david wright hitachi computer products america inc waltham ma wright hicomb hi com these are my opinions not necessarily hitachis though they are the opinions of all right thinking people baseball my predictions for 1993 since everyone else seems to be running wild with predictions ive decided to add my own fuel to the fire they might seem a bit normal but there are a few albeit small surprises american league east w l gb 1 new york yankees 93 69 2 baltimore orioles 90 72 3 3 toronto blue jays 86 76 7 4 cleveland indians 84 78 9 5 boston red sox 77 85 16 6 milwaukee brewers 74 88 19 7 detroit tigers 73 89 20 american league west w l gb 1 minnesota twins 94 68 2 kansas city royals 92 70 2 3 texas rangers 85 77 9 4 chicago white sox 77 85 17 5 oakland athletics 74 88 20 6 seattle mariners 70 92 24 7 california angels 65 97 29 al mvp kirby puckett al cy young kevin appier al rookie of the year tim salmon al manager of the year buck showalter al comeback player of the year ozzie guillen national league east w l gb 1 st louis cardinals 91 71 2 philadelphia phillies 89 73 2 3 montreal expos 88 74 3 4 new york mets 84 78 7 5 chicago cubs 79 83 12 6 pittsburgh pirates 73 89 18 7 florida marlins 54 108 37 national league west w l gb 1 atlanta braves 96 66 2 cincinnati reds 94 68 2 3 houston astros 89 73 7 4 los angeles dodgers 82 80 14 5 san francisco giants 81 81 15 6 san diego padres 75 87 21 7 colorado rockies 59 103 37 nl mvp barry larkin nl cy young john smoltz nl rookie of the year wil cordero nl manager of the year joe torre nl comeback player of the year eric davis nl champions st louis cardinals al champions minnesota twins world champions st louis cardinals the st louis picks are what my heart says what my brain says is they will win the division lose to the braves in the nlcs and the braves will win the series against minnesota but for now ill stick with the cards all the way kevin baseball re jose cansecos swing 1992 vs 1986 in article c5jkik 1zf ucdavis edu ez027993 dale ucdavis edu gary built like villanueva huckabay writes heres my analysis of jose canseco circa sep 92 and jose canseco circa june 1986 1 hes bulked up too much period he needs to lose about 20 pounds not gain more bulk ive been saying that for at least 2 years now and even the as conditioning guru told jose he was carrying too much weight and losing some would help his back although i dont for one second believe jose used steroids his back problems are very similar to problems alot of steroid users experience because they are simply carrying too much weight on their frame see jeff bregel ex 49er as a textbook example and imho jose is too big for his frame 2 his bat speed has absolutely vanished conservatively id say hes lost 4 7 of his bat speed and thats a huge amount of speed i cant imagine how to estimate bat speed but its pretty obvious that jose is missing fastballs he used to hit likely due to his back 3 that open stance is killing him note that he acts sort of like brian downing way open to start then closes up as ball is released downing could do this without significant head movement canseco cant also note that canseco doesnt always close his stance the same way sometimes his hips are open sometimes theyre fully closed without a good starting point its hard to make adjustments in your swing i dont know he had an even more open stance when he first came up with the as and had no problems with it then it might be that pre back problems he was quick enough to cover up any deficiencies the stance caused but now hes lost just enough bat speed that the stance hurts him the old saying if youre hot its a trigger mechanism if youre cold its a hitch first minimize movement before the swing close and widen the stance and severely cut down the stride i take on my swing hopefully this will cut down on the time i need to swing and will allow me to move the bathead more freely the biggest problem imho is he never has found a stance hes comfortable with for more than a few months he changes his stance so much he loses track of where the strike zone is in wednesdays night game he was clearly mad at strike calls on both corners that looked pretty good to me i think he no longer knows where the strike zone really is because hes changed his stance so much im also a bit concerned that because hes got palmer and gonzalez hitting all the homeruns hell become competitive swing even harder and screw himself up even worse larussa always said that cansecos famous batting practice homer shows did him more harm than good as they encouraged bad hitting habits russ smith i dont know anything about xs but i know about some o george gervin on being an assistant coach guns re waco clinton press conference part 1 in article 3890 rpp386 jfh rpp386 john f haugh ii writes in article blake 70 735413837 nevada edu blake nevada edu rawlin blake writes i was hoping that kent state taught us a lesson apparently not apparently the government will murder anyone they choose to still thats right despite claims that someone at kent state fire a shotgun at the the soldiers the only projectiles that anyone can prove where sent in the direction of the soldiers were rocks john f haugh ii pgp 2 1 s cs utexas edu rpp386 jfh ma bell 512 251 2151 dof 17 s jfh rpp386 cactus org no firearms were ever ever shot at the national guard at kent state at the time of the shooting no rocks were being thrown at all the squad was slowly proceeding up a knoll away from the body of students some students were taunting them and photographs of the incident show at most one or two students who were following and taunting the series of photographs show the squad slowly proceeding up the hill while occasionally their nco 45 in hand turned back to look at where they came from all at once as if on command the entire squad turned and fired their m1 garands firing 30 06 rounds into the crowd the nco can be shown with this 45 at full recoil at least two of the students shot had nothing to do with the taunters they were only passing through and were not participants in the confrontation there is some dispute whether the guard was even legally on campus apparently they had not been invited onto the state school by the president who had conveniently flown the coop so as not to be around the governor of ohio james rhodes had just embarked on a senate campaign and wanted it to be known that he was tough on peaceniks so had ordered the guard in the matter was quickly covered up some years later wounded survivors launched a civil lawsuit against those responsible a settlement was made and under the terms the plaintiffs could not discuss much and guilty individuals were not identified in fact those shooters in the squad have been identified it was a tragic incident but it was not provoked by the students or apparently by general delcorso or any of his command from studying the incident the photos imo it looks like it was an independent action by a small squad of soldiers religion re davidians and compassion is there evidence independent of the fbi that indicates that the branch davidians set the fire what have the survivors said did the press see anything there is unfortunately precedent for the u s government saving children by roasting them alive there is precedent for religious self imolation as well i still wonder why the government couldnt just leave them alone medicine re sarchoidosis hello does anybody know if sarchoidosis is a mortem desease i e if someone who tooke this desease can be kill bye this one people have died from sarcoid but usually it is not fatal and is treatable gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon hi there im suffering from sarcoidosis at present although its shown as a chronic rare tissue disorder it is thankfully not life threatening the very worsed thing that can happen to a non treated sufferer is glaucoma my specialists are bombarding me with prednisolone e c a cortico steriod and after four months at 20mg a day its totally done away with my enlarged lymph glands so somethings happening for the good cheers nigel nigel ballard int nigel dataman demon co uk mexican food bournemouth cis 100015 2644 radio g1hoi guinness on tap united kingdom amazing and all down two wires tall skinny women two penguins are walking along an iceberg the first penguin turns to the second penguin and says it looks like you are wearing a tuxedo the second penguin turns to the first penguin and says maybe i am windows re windows 3 1 keeps crashing please help in article 1993apr16 155637 15398 oracle us oracle com ebosco us oracle com eric bosco writes from ebosco us oracle com eric bosco subject windows 3 1 keeps crashing please help date fri 16 apr 1993 15 56 37 gmt as the subjects says windows 3 1 keeps crashing givinh me gpf on me of late it was never a very stable package but now it seems to crash every day the worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently ie i have you tried setting files in your config sys file to a fairly high number ive got mine set to 100 ive seen numbers from 40 to 100 recommended also check your stacks statement stacks 9 256 is a good starting point try increasing it if its already set there such as to stacks 12 256 etc both stacks and files have been identified as one cause of frequent win3 1 crashes lamont downs downs nevada edu religion re what part of no dont you understand in article 1993apr24 214843 10940 midway uchicago edu eeb1 midway uchicago edu writes in article 1rbh3n hav kyle eitech com ekr kyle eitech com eric rescorla writes in article 1993apr24 002509 4017 midway uchicago edu eeb1 midway uchicago edu writes a moment of silence doesnt mean much unless everyone participates otherwise its not silent now is it non religious reasons for having a moment of silence for a dead classmate 1 to comfort the friends by showing respect to the deceased 2 to give the classmates a moment to grieve together 3 to give the friends a moment to remember their classmate in the context of the school 4 to deal with the fact that the classmate is gone so that its not disruptive later yeah all well and good the fact is though that the pro school prayer types have tried to use a moment of silence as a way to get prayer back at my high school for instance our dear principal ended the moment of silence with amen i can certainly see opposing the amen but that doesnt require opposing a moment of silence i see it as the camels nose ill back off when they do does anybody else besides me see a vicious circle here i guarantee you the people who want school prayer arent going to back off when they cant even manage to get a quiet moment for their kids to pray silently im willing to take my chances on winning the whole thing personally ekr eric rescorla ekr eitech com what weve got here is failure to communicate guns re riddle me this in article 1r1lp1inn752 mojo eng umd edu chuck eng umd edu chuck harris wa3uqv writes in article 1993apr20 050550 4660 jupiter sun csd unb ca j979 jupiter sun csd unb ca fuller m writes does a not harmful gassing mean that you can with a little willpower stay inside indefinitely without suffering any serious health problems if so why was cs often employed against tunnels in vietnam what is the difference anyway cs tear gas was used in vietnam because it makes you wretch so hard that your stomach comes out thru your throat well not quite that bad but you cant really do much to defend yourself while you are blowing cookies chuck harris wa3uqv chuck eng umd edu interesting after several hours worth of exposure do you still posess the presence of mind to be able to determine how to escape from an inferno surrounding you in other words is it possible that the prolonged gassing disoriented the wackos enough that possibility of escape was rendered questionable baseball triva question on bosios no hitter i dont actually have the answer to this one bosio after walking the first two batters retired 27 straight for a back end perfect game how many other games including extra inning games have seen a pitcher retire 27 straight excluding official perfect games the only other instance of this i know about for sure is the famous ernie shore game which counts as a perfect one according to those goons in cooperstown shore came into the game when boston pitcher babe ruth got thrown out for arguing over the first batter walk shore picked him off and retired 26 straight after that matt wall wall cc swarthmore edu hey i gotta job here ok april 6 1993 boston red sox seize first place cars re its a rush was re too fast wharf wrat rites they were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 i forget the exact spec but for military vehicles thats 80 in a 1958 dodge powerwagon not 80 in a 1993 ford taurus ever once in a while you still see a reference to the super slab system as interstate and defense highways but whether the military has much of anything that goes 80 on the road is another matter a few of their most whomped up diesel trucks maybe load permitting the military surplus stuff ive driven jeep classic willys kaiser amc pre independent suspension and power wagons slant 6 in a crew cab pickup werent exactly congenial at highway speeds and i wouldnt swear any of them would do 80 except as a bedload on a semi you just gotta love the standard military tire too or at least the one they used to use designed circa ww ii as a compromise between traction in icky sticky goo and longevity on sharp rocks and so forth its quite ill adapted to high speeds on civilian roadways for those who cant remember what they look like imagine a mountain bike tire with a road rib in the middle scaled up to car size oh yeah and narrow too one of the standard mods for civilizing a surplus jeep was to install tires and wheels that reflected some of the advancements made in ride and handling since d day but the point made by wharfie and others still stands if youre going to do 80 in a mil spec 58 power wagon or a jeep or a tank transporter or other unwieldy rubber tired vehicle anywhere id suggest the american interstate your safe speed there tends to be limited more by your car and skills road maintenance and the swarms of fools around you the roads were designed for going like the devil naturally neither i nor my employer advocates unsafe or unlawful driving joe just another personal opinion from the peoples republic of berkeley cars info about audi 90 used i am thinking of buying a used audi 90 auto these cars look good and audi do have a good rep for these cars in europe where im from i was just wondering if there anything about these cars that i should know parms windows re truetype fonts that display but do not print in article 1993apr17 134725 15882 mintaka lcs mit edu avinash silver lcs mit edu avinash chopde writes i just installed a new truetype font under ms windows 3 1 but though all the applications display the font correctly on the screen quite a few of them fail to print out the document correctly on a laserjet 4 non postscript printer but when i use the windows accessory write the printer prints square boxes in place of the characters of the new font yet write does display the font correctly on the screen this is a common problem with highly complex truetype fonts microsoft admits to a problem with older versions of the postscript printer driver but ive found it to be pretty generic you can get around the problem by adjusting the parameter outlinethreshold in the truetype section of win ini this entry specifies the number of pels per em at which windows will render truetype fonts as outline fonts instead of as bitmap fonts the default is 256 ive generally been able to get fonts to work by setting outlinethreshold 160 depending on your printer resolution and the point size you are using you may need a different value the windows resource kit warns against going above 300 presumably that might cause fonts to print as square boxes or something im not smiling bob nichols at t bell laboratories rnichols ihlpm ih att com cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time no reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up they arent bright enough to typically see by without the brake and tail lights craig perhaps instead of this silly argument about what backup lights are for couldnt we agree that they serve the dual purpose of letting people behind your car know that you have it in reverse and that they can also light up the area behind your car while youre backing up so you can see backup lamps on current models are much brighter than they used to be on older cars those on my taurus wagon are quite bright enough to illuminate a good area behind the car and theyre much brighter than those on my earlier cars from the 60s and 70s insofar as vettes having side backup lights look at a 92 or 93 model or perhaps a year or two earlier too and youll see red side marker lamps and white side marker lamps both near the cars hindquarters those arent just white reflectors harv religion re bhagavad gita 2 32 kalki dasa writes these topics are all discussed in the vedas in fact the original knowledge of all these topics comes from the vedas therefore they are not newage at all they are rather old by any standards nor is the popularity they are currently experiencing something new one would think that the vedas would be very popular among newagers since all the things you mention above are thoroughly described in them isnt that interesting in the jewish tradition you are incredibly wrong they originate in the torah and with jewish ancestors specifically the patriarch abraham z l that knowledge was sent east to india and china when abraham gave gifts the commentators to jewish scripture say this was the knowledge of the occult arts to all the rest of his children when he sent them away to the east this assured that isaac only who remained with abraham would inherit his most important spiritual gifts what eventually became judaism so you see other religions can have very parochial views too by the jewish view you are very mistaken your scripture are not scripture your gods are not gods your practices a jumble of errors that lead people to idol worship and away from god that doesnt stop us from respecting you to the extent of not trying to convert you or proselytize you and being willing to dialog in a respectful manner were content to let you live the way you care to live as long as you leave us be we are happy to co exist as long as you give us the same right but your incredible rudeness and violent nature seems to preclude that too bad is this typical of your religion however there is one difference between the newage practitioner and the actual follower of the vedic teachings the typical newager desires to acquire all the material powers and opulences mentioned in the vedas without referring to their source the lord he wants the kingdom of god without god he wants personal power without the responsibility of acknowledging its source without the person from whom that power comes in other words he is just plain selfish you are a most presumptuous fellow how dare you presume that the typical new ager doesnt acknowledge god and is selfish what trite self righteous ego ful garbage there are buddhists christians jews and those of many other religions here on this newsgroups for whom your words are simple slander the vedic follower on the other hand knows that no matter what one desires one must worship god and the vedas give a complete description of exactly who is god so that there can be no mistake in his identification for this reason the parts of the vedas that deal directly with the personality of godhead are not very popular among newagers and anyone who presents the complete vedas as they are is branded as an evangelist as if there is something wrong with that even though he is simply presenting the unadulterated vedic teachings of course from the jewish perspective you are incredibly wrong wed say that there is no godhead just created beings who may be enjoying a good laugh at your expense a thief takes from others and says this is mine a newager takes from god and says this is mine such a false mystic must be careful to avoid coming in contact with the real owner of the things he has stolen consequently he invents an explanation for these things that conveniently omits the identity of their owner the lord in other words he lies about where he got them so not only are we selfish we are also thieves and liars and you expect any of us to pay attention to you and your religion why not call us more name maybe then well all convert in gratefullness however the lord is very merciful and he sends his servants to remind the newager of his own identity as spirit soul the eternal servant of god hence although unwanted the evangelist continues to broadcast the complete truth you delude yourself len moskowitz moskowit panix com windows re challenge to microsoft supporters brian grier bjgrier bnr ca wrote so to most of the computer users in the world ms product symbolize quality ms has made their life easier and more productive and to them that is quality they do not care about what innovative things ms has done other than to make their life with a computer one heck of a lot easier you may know better than most computer users in this world but that will not change their perception none of this changes the fact that msw3 1 is objectively inferior to its competition i have begun to learn in life that the masses never choose the best option available to them they choose the one which they have been conditioned to think is best im glad im not one of them kurt d bollacker duke university medical center kdb sunbar mc duke edu durham nc 27710 cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes i am curious about knowing which commericial cars today have v engines v4 i dont know of any v6 legend mr3 mr6 v8 dont know of any v12 jaguar xjs please add to the list thanks s ssave ole cdac com is this a joke geof evans domain rxkgre minyos xx rmit oz au if they really wanna know tell em that god was drunk guns re atf burns dividian ranch no survivors in article scottj 230493091606 iamac 1 dml georgetown edu scottj magic dml georgetown edu john l scott writes in article dusek 735489223 shale dusek rtsg mot com james p dusek wrote if the fbi started the fire why didn t people flee the burning building okay james tell you what ill but you in a building with 90 other people ill put you in a highly tense situation ill subject you to sleep deprivation remove your utilities march tanks back in forth in front of you play recordings of tortured rabbits at high volume shine bright lights in your windows threaten to attack you at any time and cut you off from the outside world all for weeks at a time then ill begin to smash in the building youre in destroying passages and stairs and spreading debris everywhere at the same time ill pump in massive quantities of nasty tear gas for six hours stop it enough im out of there i mean im a relatively sane person god knows im weak and will forgive me but im not stupid enough to stay in this place any longer i want out youll be holed up in a small area with 90 sweaty people on a hot day then the building will fill with smoke and become a inferno 90 people in a small room will try to leave with you and jim if you dont make it out wont you agree that it must be because you wanted to die besides nine people did successfully flee the fire yeah and at least one person ran back in sounds like a personal choice to me religious fanaticsm and a beleive that dying in the defense of your beliefs is probably at the core of what happened in waco we in the west tend to disregard fanaticsm of the type displayed by many moslem fundamentalist groups who see nothing wrong with dying for their beliefs convictions i suspect that this same type of fanaticsm was displayed by the bds but well probably never know karl religion re 14 apr 93 gods promise in 1 john 1 7 in article 1993apr15 202729 6649 organpipe uug arizona edu brian lpl arizona edu brian ceccarelli 602 621 9615 wrote jesus gives more reasons in john 16 7 but one obvious reason why jesus died and as with everything else it has nothing do with his punishment was that he could rise to life again so that we would stop doubting and believe john 21 27 the fact that jesus rose from the dead is my hope that i too will rise from the dead it is an obvious point do not overlook it without this obvious point i would have no hope and my faith would be vanity glad to hear this just a note osiris mithras and many other cult gods resurrected as well so theres a good chance for all of us to maybe end up in a virtual reality simulator and live forever hurrah sorry this was a joke some sort of one anyway im the first that connected osiris with a virtual reality personality database time to write a book cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net cars radio for toyota tercel im looking for a replacement radio tape player for a 1984 toyota tercel standard off the shelf unit is fine but every place ive gone to service merchandise etc doesnt have my car in its model application book i want to just take out the old radio and slide in the new with minimal time spent hooking it up and adjusting the dashboard if you have put in a new unit in a similar car id like to hear what brand how easy it was to do the change and any other relevant information please answer via e mail thanks tom ostrand tom ostrand e mail tjo scr siemens com siemens corporate research phone 609 734 6569 755 college road east fax 609 734 6565 princeton nj 08540 6668 baseball re usa mcweekly stats in article franjion 734996049 spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjione says also i have the impression from reading this group and bill james that elias is a bunch of money grubbing jerks whose mission is to charge as much as they can for baseball statistical info and bill james is not yeah sure do you own the bill james players rating book bob vesterman religion re a kind and loving god in article sandvik 210493230542 sandvik kent apple com sandvik newton apple com kent sandvik writes in article 1993apr21 145336 5912 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee wrote and does it not say in scripture that no man knows the hour of his coming not even the angels in heaven but only the father himself dk was trying to play god by breaking the seals himself dk killed himself and as many of his followers as he could btw god did save the children they are in heaven a far better place how do i know by faith it seems faith is the only tool available for emotional purposes due to the tragedy as such it maybe fills a need however im getting tired to see children dying in pain in sudan due to lack of food and assuming that god takes these sufferers to heaven after a painful death if the children are not being fed whose fault is that you and i have plenty of food on our tables while others starve why is that god gave us this earth to manage i dont think were doing a very good job of it the only consolation i have for those suffering children is that they will be received into the kingdom of heaven where they will never thirst and never hunger again peace be with you malcolm lee cheers kent sandvik newton apple com alink ksand private activities on the net medicine re vangus nerve vagus nerve in article 52223 seismo css gov bwb seismo css gov brian w barker writes mostly right is there a connection between vomiting and fainting that has something to do with the vagus nerve stimulation of the vagus nerve slows the heart and drops the blood pressure gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon medicine re can men get yeast infections in article 1993apr14 184444 24065 galileo cc rochester edu jkis ltd uhura cc rochester edu da beave writes well folks i currently have a yeast infection i am male your best bet or at least your husbands is to treat and cure your infection before any intercourse if you must use a condom also consider other forms of sexual release ie handjobs until you are cured though i cant imagine wanting to have intercourse during a full blown yeast infection chances of it being transmitted to the male are quite low especially if hes circumcised but it can happen at one point i was getting recurrent yeast infections and the dr suspected my boyfriend might have gotten it from me and be reinfecting me the prescription was interesting for each day of the medication a week i was to insert the medication then to have intercourse the resulting action would help the medicine be spread around in me better and would simultaneously treat him baseball re david wells in article 1993apr5 124526 10219 iccgcc decnet ab com carrd iccgcc decnet ab com writes has david wells landed with a team yet id think the tigers with their anemic pitching would grab this guy pronto they did for 950k jim baseball going to a cubbies game well after suffering from an intense fit of minnesota induced cabin fever ive decided to road trip to milwaukee and take in a couple of games this weekend a couple games at county stadium will be great to relieve tension but i thought why not go to wrigley for a game too i see the cubs are playing the phillies on sat 2 05 start i believe thats eastern time listed i figured it would be fun to bounce down to wrigley for the day game and live it up a little im wondering if anyone esp cubbie fans have some advice on 1 if im taking 41 skokie hwy south until it runs into 94 whats the best way to get to wrigley im planning on getting there an hour or two early and paying through the nose for parking to keep things easy 2 is it probable that ill be able to walk up and get bleacher seats 2 or 3 on game day i figure since its early in the year rynos out and the weather isnt great i should be able to get tickets if not whats the best way to get advance tickets can i call the cubs ticket office directly and pick up tickets at the will call window 3 any advice on where to eat before or after the game 4 do they allow inflatable i luv ewe dolls present from lundy into the bleachers dave hung like a jim acker slider kirsch blue jays do it again in 93 kirsch staff tc umn edu new quotes out of context not to beat a dead horse but its been a couple o weeks this disappoints me punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence baseball fenway gif i was wondering if anyone had any kind of fenway park gif i would appreciate it if someone could send me one thanks in advance dan medicine re immotile cilia syndrome in article 1993mar26 213522 26224 ncsu edu andrea unity ncsu edu andrea m free kwiatkowski writes i would like to know if there is any new information out there about the subject or any new studies being conducted i am confident in my pediatrician and her communication with the people in chapel hill but since this is a life long disorder and genetically transferred i would like keep current i do realize that since this is a relatively new disorder first documented in 1974 in a fertility clinic in scandanavia and is therefore controversial i do not know a lot about this except from seeing one patient with kartageners syndrome which is a form of immotile cilia syndrome in which there is situs inversus bronchiectasis and chronic infections situs inversus means that organs are on the wrong side of the body and can be complete or partial it is interesting medically because the normal location of organs is caused in part by the normal rotation associated with ciliary motion so that in absence of this laterality can be random people with situs inversus are quite popular at medical schools because of their rarity and the fact that most doctors get a bit upset when they cant find the patients heart sounds because theyre on the wrong side according to harrisons immotile cilia syndrom is an autosomal recessive which should imply that on average one child in four in a family would be affected but there may be much more current information on this and as usual in medicine we may be talking about more than one conditiion i would suggest that you ask your pediatrician about contacting a medical geneticics specialist of which there is probably one at ncsu km baseball re whats with all these scores in article 1qp1m9innfjg senator bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charles m kozierok writes in article 1993apr17 050311 10098 news yale edu sean garrison writes stuff about upated inning scores deleted at just that exact time to see the message even results after the game is over are not necessary thanks to mr hernandez who posts daily standings and results here every day am i supposed to take that as a compliment or a put down just wondering i do this as a service to the entire baseball world on usenet especially for those in the east coast who cant get final scores for west coast games in their newspapers or late tv newscasts this is helpful to fans in other countries who either receive only weekly scores or updates by the week also many have requested for this kind of service previously but it was only available through bbss or some pay news services by the way mine is free of charge and has no copyright restrictions if you want to send updates and scores set up a private mailing list and use that remember i only post final scores and the updated standings once a day to the rec sport baseball newsgroup other than that everything is done through private e mail currently there are 986 people on my mailing list that branches off into other mailing lists available for many others and the list grows by an average of 35 people a day if people on usenet really dont want to see the postings i do to rec sport baseball on a daily basis please just let me know if the response is overwhelming against the posts i wont do it anymore thanks for your time joseph hernandez joseph hernandez rams lakers jtchern ocf berkeley edu kings dodgers raiders jtcent soda berkeley edu angels clippers cars re integra gsr really about other cars its great that all these other cars can out handle out corner and out accelerate an integra but youve got to ask yourself one question do all these other cars have a moonroof with a sliding sunshade no wimpy pop up sunroofs or power sliding roofs that are opaque a moonroof that can be opened to the air closed to let just light in or shaded so that nothing comes in youve just got to know whats important doug 93 integra gs cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all tim in article 1el targhee idaho amdahl com rbs sawtooth idaho amdahl com bob smith writes in article 1993apr7 173712 23250 cas org sdm24 cas org writes imho the dumbest thing we ever did in copying the japanese was moving the dimmer switch from the floor to the lever controlling the turn signal cruise control bun warmer etc well my 1973 porsche had the dimmer on the turn signal stalk guess those dumb germans were copying the japanese too rest deleted not to mention my friends 54 citroen traction avant with the light switch and dimmer integrated in a single stalk off the steering column those dumb french were apparently copying the japanese before the germans roland baseball re dave kingman for the hall of fame in article mssc5k4w5 gqe netcom com mss netcom com mark singer writes im no kingman fan just thought id point out that hes the only player in history to have five three hr games joe carter has four eddie murray three mccovey and gehrig also three ruth mays foxx and dawson two each didnt mike schmidt also do this at least three times i can remember twice in wrigley field alone he did it the same day kong did it in a 23 22 shootout and he swatted four there one day in april 76 the month he set the april record with 11 hrs anybody remember any of this i was just a kid cars re bmw 528i in article 1993apr26 160911 28922 westminster ac uk jkjec westminster ac uk shazad barlas writes in article 1993apr25 180954 20425 ultb isc rit edu adn6285 ritvax isc rit edu writes the radio does not work untill the car warms up and you honk the horn hahaa hahahah hahahahahahaaaaa i cant stop its killing me hahah i was dead serious when i posted it i actually have an attempt of explanation to this phenomenon but ill keep you guessing i still want responces of which i got exactly 0 mike s medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition betty harvey writes i am not a researcher or a medical person but it amazes me that when they cant find a scientific or a known fact they automatically assume that the reaction is psychological it is mind boggling this simply stated is a result of the bankrupt ethics in the healthcare and scientific medicine industries america is fed up with the massive waste and fraud that is costing us 15 of our gnp to support these industries while delivering marginal health care to the community unfortunately the clinton plan in whatever form it takes will probably cost us an even greater sum bleah steve cars re blast to the past amh2 ns1 cc lehigh edu alois m himsl writes be worthwhile or how about something like the old mgb with new technology just think about it the old style with upgraded safety features and perhaps a natural gas operated engine for less than 10k i think it would go over well what is your opinion al h well the mgb is currently in production for the english market built by rover it now has a v8 improved suspention and a slightly updated body too bad its only available in gb and would set one of us back about 42 000 graham e thomas blah blah blah blah blah georgia institute of technology blah blah blah blah blah internet grahamt oit gatech edu blah blah blah blah blah religion re kind loving merciful and forgiving god m23364 mwunix mitre org james meritt writes 4 so the fact that stephen did not reply to a does not justify the conclusion that stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in a excellent now under what conditions could such a conclusion be made other than a direct assertion by his part replace stephen with david joslin since you directed the same accusation of hypocrisy at me in e mail to me you wrote in t r m robert weiss writes a promise from psalm 9 10 gee since you wouldnt be at all hypocritical you must be really busy arguing against these out of context extracted translations as you may recall you mailed me six mail messages quoting articles by robert weiss all sent within a few minutes of each other you added naturally i await your arguments against this out of context translation but i shall not await holding my breath and wonder when you get to sleep disputing all these out of context extracted translations and other similar comments perhaps you could explain why you ever thought that i might have a reason to read all of these articles you pulled off of t r m much less write responses to them have you by chance ever even heard of inductive logic you are not demonstrating any familiarly with it i e you are being insufficiently logical i am familiar with inductive logic go ahead and give me the details of the logic that led you to conclude incorrectly that i would condone robert weiss taking verses out of context your conclusion was wrong of course since i agree that both you and robert weiss were guity of taking verses out of context nothing hypocritical about that is there since you reached a false conclusion you made some mistake in your logic the only question is where did you think that it would be hypocritical for me not to post a reply to robert weiss articles did you make the common creationist error of confusing a lack of evidence for x with evidence for the lack of x is your grasp of inductive logic not quite as firm as you think see if you can figure out what your mistake was and learn from it dj medicine re is msg sensitivity superstition in article myers 735287742 peach cs scarolina edu myers cs scarolina edu daniel myers writes i am under the impression that msg enhances flavor by causing the taste buds to swell no thats not how it works if this is correct i do not find it unreasonable to assume that high doses of msg can cause other mouth tissues to swell this may be through a different mechanism also as the many of the occurances including two of the above involved beef and as beef is frequently tenderized with msg this is what i suspect as being the cause tenderizing beef involves sprinking or marinading it in papain an enzyme meat tenderizer packets might contain papain and msg and seasonings but msg doesnt act as a tenderizer steve dyer dyer ursa major spdcc com aka ima harvard rayssd linus m2c spdcc dyer religion re is it good that jesus died in article c5ymir fne blaze cs jhu edu arromdee jyusenkyou cs jhu edu ken arromdee writes you said everyone in the world that means everyone in the world including children that are not old enough to speak let alone tell lies if jesus says everyone you cannot support that by referring to a group of people somewhat smaller than everyone thats right everyone even infants who cannot speak as yet even a little child will rebelliously stick his finger in a light socket even a little child will not want his diaper changed even a little child will fight nap time so far as jesus saying everyone a certain ruler asked jesus good teacher what must i do to inherit eternal life why do you call me good jesus answered no one is good except god alone ken the book of romans states that we are born sinners we do not grow into being a sinner we sin because we are sinners the common mistake even in christian circles is to think the reverse true so for as surely as you grew to look like you parents you not only inherited their appearance but also their sin nature it goes with being human even though a new born is innocent as can be his sinful nature will surely manifest itself more explicity as he gets older for as surely as he grows hair on his head and teeth within his mouth he will show the signs of his innate sin by rebelling against mommy and daddy with that loud proclamation no religion new religion forming sign up let me begin by saying i think this is the worlds first religion to use the net as its major recruitment medium therefore even if this religion does not take off its founding members will be very important historically as this method of soliciting membership will eventually become common the basis of this religion is to apply various aspects of current conventional morality to the characters in genesis and exodus but assume that the bibles accounts of the facts and historical events is correct for example story of adam and eve adam and eve are in garden of eden naked and ignorant have unlimited supply of food provided but no clothing jobs or knowledge god says not to eat fruit of tree of knowledge they do anyway then try to hide in bushes god finds them and forces them out of garden there are several different stories on what they were doing while naked in the bushes that might have angered god traditional philosophy 1 the only reason you need knowledge or a job is to eat if someone else will provide you with food then you can be stupid and unemployed and its ok this is why married women usually didnt work until recent decades 2 authority figures such as god whoever was behind the vietnam war hitler and slaveowners are always right and should be blindly followed without question by ordinary people who cant make decisions for themselves interpretation of events based on traditional philosophy they were not supposed to eat the fruit they should have done whatever god told them to like small children they had their needs provided for and were obligated to do whatever their father said to being forced to leave the garden and work in order to obtain food was a punishment lessons from traditional interpretation 1 ignorance is good knowledge is bad but tempting 2 having food provided for you for nothing read welfare is ideal get ting a job and feeding yourself with what you earn is punishment 3 public nudity is good covering up is bad 4 authority figures are intrinsically right normal people are dumb and should do whatever they are told without question they should not think for themselves 5 people in subordinate positions are especially obligated to refrain from learning for example it should be illegal for slaves to learn to read 1990s philosophy 1 people should seek education and employment outside the home unless named hillary clinton or murphy brown 2 people should use common sense they should not kill other people binding of issac wars holocaust etc just because they are told to interpretation of events based on current philosophy they were supposed to eat the fruit god gave wanted them to seek knowledge rather than be handed it on a silver platter once they had gained knowledge and by seeking it showed their ability to make mature decisions for them selves they no longer needed to be treated like little children and were rewarded by being allowed into the real world lessons from new interpretation 1 ignorance is bad knowledge is good but must be sought 2 having food provided for you for nothing read welfare is at best a temporary measure getting a job and feeding yourself with what you earn is ideal 3 public nudity is bad covering up is good 4 authority figures are often wrong normal people are intelligent and should consider whether the instructions are really a good idea and alter or abolish bad governments they should think for themselves 5 people in subordinate decisions are often discouraged from knowledge but should seek it anyway and all the harder for example poor children without good schools should work especially hard in order to make a better life for their children and themselves i have tentatively named this new philosophy the church of eveism because eves decision to eat the apple is man sic kinds first good decision instead of its first bad one as traditionally believed she is therefore clearly a protagonist god at first appears evil for telling people not to seek knowledge but on deeper analysis is also a protagonist as god rewarded the decision to defy him and provided the tree in the first place the intention and desire were clearly to have the knowledge be obtained but to delay it until it was actively sought end serious discussion begin humor save this post to disk or file server someday it will be considered the most important writing since the 10 commandments you want an original copy stay tuned for the rfd on soc religion eveism can i get a tax deduction for money i donate to this organization return to serious discussion when posting follow ups stephen weinstein weinss rpi edu guns question on senate bills im writting letters to my congresscritters and was wondering if there is any reason s why i should not support the following bills other than the previous comments about s 458 just checking before i mail the letter to make sure i dont support something that i really shouldnt i strongly support the following laws currently being considered in congress as they would either have a positive effect towards reducing crime or re enforce our constitutional right under the 2nd amendment s 441 campbell to amend title 18 united states code to provide a mandatory minimum sentence for the unlawful possession of a firearm by a convicted felon a fugitive from justice a person who is addicted to or an unlawful user of a controlled substance or a transferor or receiver of a stolen firearm to increase the general penalty for violation of federal firearms laws and to increase the enhanced penalties provided for the possession of a firearm in connection with a crime of violence or drug trafficking crime and for other purposes s 458 smith to restore the second amendment rights of all americans s 488 specter to provide federal penalties for drive by shootings s 504 kohl to amend section 924 of title 18 united states code to make it a federal crime to steal a firearm or explosives in interstate or foreign commerce bill vojak vojak icebucket stortek com nra ila colorado firearms coalition heres a story bout a man named brady who took a 22 bullet in his head even though he can act perfectly normal he prefers to pretend hes brain dead heres a story bout a woman named brady who had nothing to do but sit around all day then her husband became a media martyr now she wants to take all your guns away the brady bunch the brady bunch this is how we got stuck with the brady bunch baseball os lose openr at home to rangers sutcliffe gives up 3 hrs gonzales 1 palmer 2 and mills gives up 1 hr gonzales to lose 7 4 sutcliffe texas 7 10 0 lefferts 1 0 baltimore 4 9 0 sutcliffe 0 1 jody hagins hagins avlin8 us dg com data general corporation linthicum md religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed cotera woods ulowell edu writes david thibedeau sp one of the cult members said that the fire was started when one of the tanks spraying the tear gas into the facilities knocked over a lantern sort of a mrs olearys tank theory moooo joe knapp jmk cbvox att com baseball re winfields spot on the all time greats team in article c5wewd kto murdoch acc virginia edu drw3l delmarva evsc virginia edu david robert walker writes in article 9729 blue cis pitt edu dtate pitt edu david m tate writes winfield cant touch frank robinson or mel ott as far as i can tell youd also have a hard time convincing me to rate him better than or equal to clemente two sets of numbers career equivalent average and equivalent runs 1 ruth 377 2721 2 aaron 318 2808 3 ott 318 2197 4 robinson 313 2245 7 clemente 289 1745 8 winfield 288 1921 ruth is in a class by himself for both rate eqa and total eqr performance aaron runs over everybody in the total category ott and robinson who lead winfield in both categories could be safely put ahead of ahead of him reggie too although he is barely ahead these numbers are normalized for league and park clemente is held down by some really anemic offensive production in his earliest years and was still productive when he died it is reasonably safe to assume he had 150 200 runs more he could have gotten still jackson waner clemente and winfield form a pretty tight knot yes but a we were talking about peak level not career averages and b clemente was the best fielding rf of all time as far as anyone can tell i did a quick scan last night looking for players with a peak comparable to or better than winfield in my quick n dirty subjective judgement you could make good cases for ruth aaron ott robinson clemente kaline maris klein jackson waner and probably a few others this is not a knock on winfield but a comment on his consistency all of those other players had awesome stretches and very good stretches while winfield has been more uniformly excellent hall of fame absolutely top 10 peak im not so sure top 10 total career value yes almost certainly david m tate my free agent says he will be no ones but mine dtate pitt edu not even should steinbrenner himself try to seduce him prof of story probs he says but what player says to owner the big catullus write it on the wind or swift running water guns re rewording the second amendment ideas in article 1993apr20 083057 16899 ousrvr oulu fi dfo vttoulu tko vtt fi foxvog douglas writes in article 1qv87v 4j3 transfer stratus com cdt sw stratus com c d tavares writes in article c5n3gi f8f ulowell ulowell edu jrutledg cs ulowell edu john lawrence rutledge writes the massive destructive power of many modern weapons makes the cost of an accidental or crimial usage of these weapons to great the weapons of mass destruction need to be in the control of the government only individual access would result in the needless deaths of millions this makes the right of the people to keep and bear many modern weapons non existant thanks for stating where youre coming from needless to say i disagree on every count you believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of mass destruction i find it hard to believe that you would support a neighbors right to keep nuclear weapons biological weapons and nerve gas on his her property if we cannot even agree on keeping weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of individuals can there be any hope for us i dont sign any blank checks when doug foxvog says weapons of mass destruction he means cbw and nukes when sarah brady says weapons of mass destruction she means street sweeper shotguns and semi automatic sks rifles when john lawrence rutledge says weapons of mass destruction and then immediately follows it with the us has thousands of people killed each year by handguns this number can easily be reduced by putting reasonable restrictions on them what does rutledge mean by the term cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet windows help with changing startup logo hello brad monday april 26 1993 17 24 brad smalling wrote to crosspost 1 all bs for a vga card these are the correct files but you cant just copy them bs back and expect it to work you have to create a new win com file try bs the command you will have to worry about what directories each file is in bs since i dont know your setup bs copy b win cnf vgalogo lgo vgalogo rle win com bs i grabbed this from supercharging windows by judd robbins great book bs this is also how you can put your own logo into the windows startup bs screen an rle file is just a specially compressed bmp file brad what is the procedure used to specially compress the bmp file i would love to use some of my bmp files i have created as a logo screen thanks chris origin chris doelle f3333 n106 z1 fidonet org 1 106 3333 26 religion re imaginary friends info and experiences in article 1993apr2 041929 24320 mnemosyne cs du edu kditto nyx cs du edu kimborly ditto writes concerniong this thread has anyone ever seen drop dead fred this movie seems to tipify the imaginary friend theme rather well i loved the movie as i had an imaginary friend when i was a kid and it borught back great memories seriously if you have a chance see drop dead fred itll make ya think especially the end blessings kim patrick brosnan patb bnr co uk mcsun ukc stc patb northern telecomm oakleigh rd south london n11 1hb phone 44 81 945 2135 or 44 81 945 4000 x2135 oh flash i love you but weve only got 14 hours to save the universe medicine re krillean photography very good religion re biblical backing of koreshs 3 02 tape cites enclosed in article 20apr199301460499 utarlg uta edu b645zaw utarlg uta edu stephen writes for those who think david koresh didnt have a solid structure or sound biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast i dont think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his sermon its the deaths hes responsible for that concern most people ive enclosed a partial list of the sources he cites or quotes he exactly used as a christian sermon its pretty good if not inspired though i differ in part on some of his conclusions the argument he presents is well backed which is why its taken me this long to work through still ongoing if you thought it was rambling that says far more about you than it does koresh there is a very definite relationship between the youve made me curious what does this say about me first seal in revelation 6 the entirety of psalms 45 and the most of revelation 19 which demonstrated one of his major points about how the writings in the prophets including david and in the psalms and in revelation are all telling the same story when you understand how theyre related ie have the key the largely explain each other charles manson used revelation as well do we see a pattern here i wonder of koresh liked the beatles the sequence following is keyed to the koresh tape should you care to check it out you can almost see the note cards he used when doing the analysis long list of biblical references which impressed me tremendously but were deleted in the interests of common sense koresh was a nut okay just because he found ways for the bible to backup his rantings does not make him any less of a kook seems to me koresh is yet another messenger that got killed for the message he carried ill type this very slowly so that you can understand he either set the fire himself or told his followers to do so dont make him out to be a martyr he did not get killed he killed himself in the mean time we sure learned a lot about evil and corruption are you surprised things have gotten that rotten the evil was inside the compound all that thou shalt not kill stuff oh yeah one last point for the believers philippian 2 14 19 for the rest of us could you please post the text cars re dumbest automotive concepts of all time x x fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs x any gold trim x x these i will agree are abominations right along with the fake x continental spare tire kit its sad watching those little old ladies x try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire medallion x in the way x most pitiful fake convertible top on a cadillac cimarron with x all the chrome door trim still visible not fooling anyone x of course there was that hyundai excel i once saw x least you think bad taste is something new back in the early 1970s i saw a couple of cars with flocked paint jobs thats not a typo i think they sprayed on some kind of glue then blew on tiny pieces of nylon it comes out looking like felt can you picture a huge plymouth fury iii in dark blue felt i think i can even remember one guy who did it in red to a early 1960s corvette that was after he had turned it into a station wagon mack costello mcostell oasys dt navy mil code 65 1 formerly 1720 1 david taylor model basin carderock division hq nswc bethesda md 20084 5000 phone 301 227 2431 baseball re hbp bb big cat in article mjones 735272252 fenway mjones donald aix kingston ibm com writes kubey sgi com ken kubey writes and finally id like to point out that many high obp guys draw their walks more because pitchers are afraid to throw a strike to them than because they have a great eye this comes up periodically and i just dont get it take for example mark mcgwire he walked 90 times in 1993 if thats not a potential great example of what youre talking about then i dont know what is now lets look at what happens when mcgwire doesnt walk 75 of the time he made an out 10 of the time he hit a single 5 of the time he hit a double 10 of the time he hit a homer now youre pitching against mcgwire would you trade 20 walks for 2 homers 1 double 2 singles and 15 outs i would why give him the base when you can get him out 3 times out of 4 i didnt say that pitchers fear of throwing strikes to guys like mcgwire bonds and frank thomas was rational i just said that it exists then there are guys like alex cole who has a career 363 obp even though hes never had a batting average over 300 he did hit 300 in 227 ab in 1990 or hit a single home run yep thats right hes never hit a homer in 916 abs through the end of 1992 whod be afraid to throw a strike to him i dont know alex coles batting style at all some questions how tall is he does he go into a crouch like rickey hederson pete rose does he foul off a lot of pitches like brett butler does he take 1 or 2 strikes in each at bat it could be the cole has a good batting eye look above i said that many high obp guys draw their walks because pitchers are afraid to throw a strike to them not all high obp guys ken kubey kubey wpd sgi com 415 390 3536 guns re street stories in article 1993apr23 050442 149681 zeus calpoly edu sparker tuba calpoly edu sean lawrence parker writes i just caught the last bit of the street stories segment on woman and guns what caught my eye was that two woman were shown on the program in mass and both were carrying concealed can you obtain a ccw in mass for the ordinary citizen ccws are issued at the discretion of the police chief so it varies town by town in my town forget about anything more than target and sport carry to and from the gun club hunting area only unless youre mr moneybags with large daily deposits your life isnt worth shit but your money now thats important in other towns they treat law abiding citizens like adults secret game hint you never know when the rules will be changed a change in police chief can throw a town from either side of the board to the other fun for the whole family some chiefs will grant you a personal protection permit if you have been attacked or threatened some other blue suited assholes have been known to count this as a negative against applicants its a crap shoot and your rights are the stakes cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet windows re workspace managers for win 3 1 a small review cah tactix rain com chris huey writes jamie scuglia jamie zikzak apana org au wrote thanks to all those people who recommended workspace managers for windows 3 1 i found 3 shareware workspace managers from australias ms windows archive monu6 cc monash edu au which mirrors some sites in the u s the three i found were 1 workspaces 1 10 wspace zip review deleted 2 workshift 1 6 wrksft16 zip review deleted 3 bigdesk 2 30 and backmenu backdesk zip review deleted i really appreciate this information however given that i dont have direct internet access which means i dont have archie access i must resort to using ftpmail this means that i need the site name and the directory where these workspace managers are located backdesk zip is on cica but im not sure of the whole directory another to throw into the running is topdesk it is alsow on cica but im not sure where it is more complicated then backdesk but ive found it to be more stable and more usefull i recomend it to people who have already used a virtual desktop oh yeh its free copyright microsoft and sanford staab carl zmola cicero spc uchicago edu windows win storm pc anyone have any info on the video sound card from sigma designs it is called win storm pc they also have another card called the legend 24lx any info would be appreciated incuding performance pricing and availability thanks srini windows re head to head win and os 2 in article 1t8fl2 ehs balsam unca edu kepley photon phys unca edu writes in article 1993may16 143722 4555 samba oit unc edu dil admin mhs unc edu dave laudicina writes question the next question is even if i did want to run os 2 and i had this big monster machine to run it on is there a diverse i think youre deliberatly overstating the requirements for os 2 considering that os 2 is a multi threaded true multitasking os and takes the place of dos and windows and more i actually think the requirements for os 2 are very reasoable i also think that anyone using windows 3 1 without 8 megs of ram a 386 40 and 200 megs of hard drive space is beating their head against a wall those are also legitimate requirements for os 2 in fact the requirements for windows 3 1 and os 2 are about equal exquise me since when does mankind consider twice to be equal the natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield thomas jefferson brad kepley kepley photon phys unca edu 704 252 8330 voice days wim van holder katholieke universiteit leuven tel 32 0 16 28 57 16 departement t e w fax 32 0 16 28 57 99 dekenstraat 2 b 3000 leuven e mail wimvh liris tew kuleuven ac be belgium fdbaq03 cc1 kuleuven ac be guns re waco clinton press conference part 1 i predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the federal assault in waco will result in future assaults of that type being conducted as full scale military operations with explicit shoot to kill directives dave feustel n9myi feustel netcom com im beginning to look forward to reaching the 100 allocation of taxes to pay for the interest on the national debt at that point the federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds windows re more cool bmp files has anybody gotten this bmp to work i try to uudecode it but i get input file error and no picture anybody casey medicine imitrex and heart attacks my girlfriend just started taking imitrex for her migraine headaches her neurologist diagnosed her as having depression and suffering from rebound headaches due to daily doses of analgesics she stopped taking all analgesics and caffine as of last thursday 4 15 the weekend was pretty bad but she made it through with the help of imitrex about every 18 hours her third injection of imitrex during the worst of the withdrawl on friday and six hours after the first of the day left her very sick skin was flushed sweating vomiting and had severe headache pain it subsided in an hour or so since then she has been taking imitrex as needed to control the pain immediately after taking it she has increased head pain for ten minutes dizziness and mild nausea and mild chest pains a friend of hers mentioned that her doctor was wary of imitrex because it had caused heart attacks in several people apparently the mild chest pains were common in these other people prior to there attacks is this just rumor has anyone else heard of these symptoms my girlfriend also has mitral valve prolapse opinions are mine or others but definately not mdas lauger ssdgwy mdc com mcdonnell douglas aerospace huntington beach california usa windows windows zip unzip we are using pkzip v2 04 and i am interested to hear from people who have used one of the many windows programs that call these which ones are available and does any one stand out amongst the rest is there a full windows version that does not call the dos pkzip pkunzip commands russ sharp russ deakin edu au ph 052 27 1141 fax 052 27 2015 deakin university school of engineering technology geelong australia windows re is kermit available for windows 3 0 3 1 from article a4fm3b1w165w vicuna ocunix on ca by steve frampton frampton vicuna ocunix on ca i was wondering is the kermit package the actual package not a yes in the usual ftp sites yek chong medicine seeking info on retinal detachment i am quite near sighted ive recently received laser treatment for both eyes to seal holes in the retinas to help prevent retinal detachment in my left eye a small detachment had begun already and apparently the laser was used to weld this back in place as well my right eye seems fine in my left eye i was seeing occasional flashes of bright light prior to the treatment since the treatment two weeks these flashes are now occuring more often several each hour the opthamologist explained the flashes are caused because the vitreous body has attached to the retina and is pulling on it he says this is not treatable and he hopes it may go away on its own accord if it tugs enough i may well face retinal detachment i am seeking via sci med additional info on retinal detachments the dr did not wish to spend much time with me in explanations so i appreciate any further details anyone can provide of most interest to me if my retina does detach what should be my immediate course of action if conventional surgery is need to repair the detachment what is the procedure like and what kind of vision can i expect afterwards do the symptoms fairly frequent flashes imply that detachment maybe near at hand or is this not necessarily cause for alarm many thanks bill bill wilder computer systems manager kentville research station agriculture canada kentville nova scotia medicine re thyroidal deficiency in article 19930430140738sfb2763 mvs draper com sfb2763 mvs draper com eileen bauer writes thyroxin controls energy production which explains sleepiness coldness and weight gain there is also water retention possibly around heart changes in vision and coarser hair and skin among other things is there any relation between thyroid deficiency and depression windows utility to expand dos file descriptions in directory listing i am looking for a windows utility that would give me a listing of files in a directory but also display a description of the file this utility would allow me to enter and edit file descriptions of hopefully any length maybe a small window with a scroll bar i would then be able to browse my directories and be able to see what is in a file without having to open or execute it any such beast out there if not anyone want to write one joe barrus barrus nosc mil cars re changing oil by self hanguyen megatest com ha nguyen writes in article 1993apr14 203800 12566 progress com damelio progress com stephen damelio writes bmoss grinch sim es com brent woody moss writes you could take a screw driver and hammer and start punching holes in various locations and when some black slippery stuff starts pouring out then you would know that the oil drain plug is nearby within a foot or two anyway close the holes with toilet paper before refileing with oil though you have to refill the engine with oil wow no wonder i cant get an engine to last more than my first oil change dont forget to punch holes in the radiator too it will spray nice refreshing water on the engine and keep it nice cool steve gee you really make me confused what is radiator where is it located what does it look like will it release any radiation since it sounds like radia tion genera tor when you punch holes of course it releases radiation thats why your car goes faster when you punch the holes in it all that radiation gets on your engine and gives it pep scientific term you get more horsepower torque too if you dont know what hp torque are you can read mile long threads on the subject but they are all wrong horsepower is how much power a horse can make pulling a subaru and torque is a name invented by craftsman for a wrench steve guns a picture is worth a thousand words begin 644 outofcontrol gif m1te an 6 rp n 6 0 q j o xq4 iyx z3 m9pub4zay9 ny59 2l0c j w 2 c3q70 6a h9 2oa elq rw mp3ht5f 1rq ingznvmf4 wr0 4 oo 7 so k i 2 j 4 qb x v mn x c1 b ui7c e 7e f 9 9x oeh 77ce i 5ki 08h i8pmc9 m26hw rlfn lk nh1pn ut yq etl bvo0 zz vb7s d g m m 2my jfw8v 6zyhszg6v dvz xs 8 x m6 sb 5m u3vs m 5e5j jt8 p i ch2o40 6 3qw jy ib c4 6 y eptw mrip abx z k2mv5805t yd 28g liq avy 6 g 4x svm2 thgs m mij 9 1 w aoi s f2s 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mkme wp wm q hd53v t17 q mpv wl u 7 f iovqz 1xz6gonganhsz 3 n9 l79 6 4 e53 m io1 mu 0vuzc dq jl 8z 7s jiluo du0 1zj zt h mte c 7 v s0n24 xvlx0i28gi 8 ov76 l the 9jn v j ml c 1 l5l r1 c ddo1b d c6 2j0i n ermuznt m 5 6x m j s3 c0 q5nxh yco n 2 h 48427t u ib a pd x6 m g k6 ah64 obtba2d axn eefyf h3v3 9b 5wn j9 kf aj 0 ezo m b6 uz6lo e k 7 up krkw64 z1t8 0vfhtw8s c 6 2g j594ij z mutx1 yge9yuto c 5k 6 ihz2i4i ld k 7rts 1 i0i1dg w m l5l 68 9i an q i dv 1i4j 0 o a03 4pxw qvpd 7 m 5 5r7 r 5 h 7 c kr 6rf 56ixb d c al 9as i2 55ox j mg 6p jpm 3 5 1ilph9 f p 0ja cwzm a6v pp s9 ks wm 5 y m i vi k1q c0ghm u14 d6r r2 n1j zby hn a g k 70cjyim3 b m qw 3 bf0 w y d e euk nw 7o ajyt 2ic5v jm9m fqqk q ms9x6 a kf s 55 er f dj1 fodl1d 6y42cx 45 d 7 4 m9f lbdev7c 0 6uyqi5q 2 uef7ih58aa5 5 55okfgds k8 k4u m08i ux5e 3 9 c2 r f h09xiaj0 g2w79jc2 9v0t hc7h 2 miaaa9 g j wt8 8a2 m1 aaef8u pu k 3ee tr h768 7ti ms bfdp amyt wd 6c a 2 q kz958 c4eey0 i q f9 q67 mxc0f 54 e 3 c 3 qv kd6j r 1b6edxsyj 2d i vj ac y8 v mg2gg r0zxf 9uyg de e 1 1y 9ay tz h0 q 2 z xv2t74 m 7m61 snv 6 iy f 4 djk ny c 8 k y9 ml5 2zhr6rff k7 yz9 mp h nn 9e e d e j4sbj8 6 4ed40jc2q0v 1 hs3otho dk j j 9 m 4 l r h58gg9n9nf spzx3 2m5eoi2w uh 3 16 o2 akl l mk1 3dm tjk6 6bug ji 4 lab 1ukap 3 d z u wdtm q m8 6 v mfqmj9fo i v ke 9qcnurb57 zbc2 88 au ameo9yjfs 0 l zy 6 ll 75 u 40 ke end medicine cortisone shots i need some information on the implications of receiving cortisone shots for a seasonal allergic condition ive had the usual skin prick tests for the common allergies but reacted to none of the substances so for the last two seasons ive received cortisone shots but the doctors seem reluctant to give more than two or three shots why what are the dangers cars re v4 v6 v8 v12 vx in article apr24 180313 21646 engr washington edu eliot lanmola engr washington edu eliot writes in article 1993apr24 150653 8115 magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu brian j queiser writes examples ferraris 512tr is a flat 12 boxer porsches 911 is a flat 6 subarus impreza is a flat 4 i think you got it the other way round the ferrari flat 12 is a 180 degree v12 and not a true boxer while the subaru and porsche are true boxers dont know about the vw bug though but i suspect that it is also a true boxer eliot are you serious the auto that had a lot to do with bringing the term boxer to the popular forefront was the ferrari 512 berlinetta boxer or the 512bb had a 5 liter opposed 12 cylinder engine ken franklin they say theres a heaven for people who wait ama and some say its better but i say it aint gwrra id rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints dod 0126 the sinners are lots more fun yknow only the good die young guns re the dayton gun buy back re boston gun buy back in article c5uchu ffn cbnews cb att com lvc cbnews cb att com larry cipriani writes according to wnci 97 9 fm radio this morning dayton ohio is operating a gun buy back they are giving 50 for every functional gun turned in they ran out of money in one day and are now passing out 50 vouchers of some sort they are looking for more funds to keep operating another media event brought to you by hci is there something similar pro gun people can do for example pay 100 to anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm sounds a bit tacky but hey whatever works larry cipriani l v cipriani att com here are a few ideas 1 a free library card so they can look up the fbi uniform crime report which shows how good hci is at lying through their teeth 2 a free rtd transit pass which will allow anti gunners to tour south central los angeles and convince people living there that they dont need guns to protect themselves because the police will do it for them dont lose the pass youll need it to get out 3 a free bus ride to vermont which has almost no gun control and curiously enough almost no crime either 4 a free calculator since anti gunners have heretofore been unable to figure out what a small percentage of the guns owned in america are used to commit violent crime lee gaucher nra my opinions gaucher sam cchem berkeley edu no one elses baseball bitmaps of team logos i heard they were posted somewhere but i can not find them please e mail location thanks jody jody hagins hagins avlin8 us dg com data general corporation linthicum md rock river tree mastodon guns re cnn for sale influencing the coverage in 1993apr19 171602 27135 guinness idbsu edu betz gozer idbsu edu andrew betz writes in article 1993apr19 153444 28112 ucsu colorado edu fcrary ucsu colorado edu frank crary writes id be willing to go in as well by the way we wouldnt need to buy the network wholesale simply owning a large number of shares would still work if 5 of the shareholders want pro gun coverage and the rest dont really care theyll go along just to keep the 5 happy id go along with this plan as well turners stock is traded on the american exchange and has 3 classes a b and c a and b stock is currently about 23 bucks a share c stock is about 11 bucks a share does anybody have any idea how much stock tbs has issued what would it take to reach 5 51 or even 100 um i sortof hesitate to bring this up but owning even a single share entitles you to attend the annual shareholders meeting and under most corporate charters to introduce topics to be discussed while i dont suggest the tactic used by some in japan go to the shareholders meeting and disrupt the bejeezus out of everything what about a well worded resolution complaining about advocacy journalism laird p broadfield lairdb crash cts com ucsd nosc crash lairdb hi im a shareware signature send 5 if you use me send 10 for manual windows re postscript view for dos or windows ive been using version 2 5 2 of ghostscript and im quite satisfied with it there are actually 3 versions a plain dos version a 386 version and a windows version harvey stein hjstein math huji ac il religion 21 apr 93 gods promise in 2 chronicles 15 2 and he went out to meet asa and said unto him hear ye me asa and all judah and benjamin the lord is with you while ye be with him and if ye seek him he will be found of you but if ye forsake him he will forsake you 2 chronicles 15 2 guns fbi murders was re atf burns dividian jmd cube handheld com jim de arras writes i have believed all along that they could not let them live the embarrassment to the batf and the fbi wouldve been too severe remember this was a suspicion of tax evasion warrant there were no witnesses except the fbi all information filtered through the fbi all they had to do was allow one remote controlled pool camera be installed near the building and the press couldve done their job and wouldve been able to back the fbis story with close up video while incurring no risk to the press unless they did not want the public to see something the complete lack of any other source of information other than the fbi really causes me concern sick to my stomach and getting sicker from all the government apologists well put jim i am as concerned about the medias complicity in this growing coverup can you imagine the media outrage the lawsuits the investigations that would emit if the government kept the media away from any other story particularly if a republican administration had been behind it whats going on here lets look beyond the initial blunder and examine what happened next im a student of human phychology particularly in the area of psy ops because ive found some of the techniques to be useful in business negotiations that puts me firmly in the amateur ranks this amateur knows that the first thing to do when sizing up the opponent is to do a psychological profile on him you can bet your ass the fbi had professionally done profiles on koresh koreshs behavior was emminently predictable it is typical of people who move away from civilization to be willing to fight to the death to preserve their isolation it would also be typical given koreshs religious orientation for such an individual to interpret a government assault as the apocalypse suicide is as an acceptable alternative to being consumed in the apocalypse imho the fbi knew all this and decided after 50 days of concentrated psy ops to initiate that apocalypse i believe they chose a course of action designed specifically to push koresh over the edge while publicly appearing to be acting reasonably they knew that koresh considered the tanks to be the chariots of fire mentioned in the book of revelations they knew that sending tanks oops combat engineering vehicles obstensibly to perform gas insertions love that newspeak would push him over the edge look at some supporting evidence koreshs attorney mentioned on tv earlier today 4 20 that one of koreshs major concern was the biblical role of the tanks stationed around the compound the fbi through reno on larry king last night and at the news conference this morning claimed to have listening devices in the compound if that was true they knew their actions were driving him to the brink they knew they were pushing the davidians toward mass suicide any rational and reasonable agency not interested in killing those people would at the first sign of preparations for suicide have pulled completely back and would have gotten rid of all the armor instead they continued with the gas insertion right up to the point where flames appeared the image that will remain etched in my mind is that of the tank strutting back and forth in front of the burning compound gloating over the kill lets step back and assess how this thing could have been ended without bloodshed this technique would have required a law enforcement agency interested in constitutionally enforcing the law and in the preservation of life instead of achieving a military victory and of vengence the way to have nabbed koresh was simply to have announced a pull back abandoned the assault torn down the concertina wire and removed the armor maintained covert surveillance of the compound and then exploited his ego to flush him out exploiting his ego would have been simple a simple invite or two from the tabloid talk shows to come on tv and tell how he whipped the us government would have been something he could not have resisted he could have then been nabbed when he left the compound simple clean and safe but because it would have required the fbi to execute a tactical retreat and would have deprived them of the revenge they sought it was totally out of the question not without all that testesterone floating around after all jannet reno had to show the world how big her balls are yesterday was a sad sad day for the american system i am sick to my very soul john john de armond wd4oqc interested in high performance mobility performance engineering magazine tm interested in high tech and computers marietta ga send ur snail mail address to jgd dixie com perform dixie com for a free sample mag lee harvey oswald where are ya when we need ya medicine re my new diet it works great in article 1993mar27 142431 25188 inmet camb inmet com mazur bluefin camb inmet com beth mazur writes in article 1ov4toinnh0h lynx unm edu bhjelle carina unm edu writes on the other hand we do a good job of implying that the person who weighs 400lbs is overeating when in fact the body probably doesnt make any moral judgements about its composition conceivably the body works just as hard maintaining its weight at 400 as someone elses does at 200 undoubtedly it does to maintain such a weight and it does so primarily by overeating if it didnt the weight would drop back to normal gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon baseball are the orioles phillies at home on mem day wkend subject sez it wondering if either team are in town that weekend 5 30 5 31 i can probably get phillies tix as the vet can hold a bunch and i hope theyre still in 1st but its late may and camden yards is a problem is there any way of getting in the park w o an sro ticket any advice if there at home joe leonard jle world std com p s please reply directly to keep the net down to a dull roar religion re lds birth of a church in article c5x97x 1ea acsu buffalo edu psyrobtw ubvmsb cc buffalo edu robert weiss writes no church will admit that i am right except the one with which i am associated this makes them witnesses against each other and how can i decide in such a case as this seeing they are all unlike the church of christ as it existed in former days p 31 the idea of an apostacy did not originate with lucy smith or joseph smith or the mormons the idea of a restoration was quite common in the early 19th century usa alexander campbell founder of the group that now survives with the name disciples of christ preached that the primitive church had been lost and was attempting to restore it although not be revelations many cambellites subsequently became mormons including co founder sidney rigdon actually you can find such sentiments in many of the early protestants of the reformation such as martin luther gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon medicine re barbecued foods and health risk in article dubin 735083450 spot colorado edu dubin spot colorado edu writes i recall that the issue is that fat on the meat liquifies and then drips down onto the hot elements whatever they are that the extreme heat then catalyzes something in the fat into one or more carcinogens which then are carried back up onto the meat in the smoke hmmm care to be more vague howard doyle doyle pitt edu baseball re game length was re braves update ecaxron ariel lerc nasa gov ron graham writes i think that everything else being equal its not too much to ask that if a weeknight game can be shortened by half an hour by cutting out warmup pitches dawdling outside the batters box commerical time outs and that sort of thing im not asking for too much how do you know they can be shortened by half an hour has anybody done a study to determine how much time is actually wasted say in these as games heather hhenderson vax clarku edu guns re whos next mormons and jews in article 93110 11265034aej7d cmuvm bitnet 34aej7d cmuvm bitnet writes as a minor point of interest earlier news reports claim to have been quoting the governor of texas when her holiness referred to the dividians as mormons and called for their expulsion from tx any texans have details the davidians are a 60 year old splinter from the seventh day adventists if thats the information you were looking for cdt rocket sw stratus com if you believe that i speak for my company or cdt vos stratus com write today for my special investors packet baseball re defensive averages 1988 1992 shortstop in article steph 735027990 pegasus cs uiuc edu steph pegasus cs uiuc edu dale stephenson writes smith ozzie 742 717 697 672 664 0 701 the wizards 1988 is the second highest year ever still very good but i dont like the way his numbers have declined every year in a few years may be a defensive liability thats rich ozzie smith a defensive liability brett rogers addison leland stanford edu religion re a kind and loving god in article 1993apr20 143754 643 ra royalroads ca mlee post royalroads ca malcolm lee writes btw david koresh was not jesus christ as he claimed how can you tell for sure three days havent passed yet steve bittrolff the previous is my opinion and is shared by any reasonably intelligent person baseball brewer bullpen rocked again for the second straight game california scored a ton of late runs to crush the brewhas it was six runs in the 8th for a 12 5 win monday and five in the 8th and six in the 9th for a 12 2 win yesterday jamie navarro pitched seven strong innings but orosco austin manzanillo and lloyd all took part in the mockery of a bullpen yesterday hows this for numbers maldanado has pitched three scoreless innings and navarros era is 0 75 the next lowest on the staff is wegman at 5 14 ouch it doesnt look much better for the hitters hamilton is batting 481 while thon is hitting 458 and has seven rbi the next highest is three the next best hitter is jaha at 267 and then vaughn who has the teams only hr at 238 another ouch looking at the stats its not hard to see why the team is 2 5 in fact 2 5 doesnt sound bad when youre averaging three runs game and giving up 6 6 game still its early and things will undoubtedly get better the offense should come around but the bullpen is a major worry fetters plesac and austin gave the brewers great middle relief last year lloyd maldanado manzanillo fetters austin and orosco will have to pick up the pace for the team to be successful milwaukee won a number of games last year when middle relief either held small leads or kept small deficits in place the starters will be okay the defense will be alright and the hitting will come around but the bullpen is a big question mark in other news nilsson and doran were reactivated yesterday while william suero was sent down and tim mcintosh was picked up by montreal todays game with california was cancelled salty baseball re rickey henderson in article ls1d6vinns65 appserv eng sun com str maredsous eng sun com todd rader writes stay in school you have a lot to learn learn what i know that 3 million dollars is a lot of money i know rickey henderson doesnt have a career out of baseball i know if he didnt have baseball he wouldnt be making near the money he is now i just dont understand how some athlete who only plays a sport for a living for millions of dollars say he is not being paid enough if nobody will sign him for his asking price he will be the one hurting the as will still win without him remeber many of these athletes have nothing if not for their athletic ability nothing they are getting paid much more than most hard working citizens and they are complaining of not enough pay i dont have a problem with them making millions my problem is when the say they arent being paid enough when they already get 3 million also their numbers get worse windows word byte i just moved from borland c 3 0 to visual c today when i tried to compile my c program it complained a function prototype problem it turned out that the typedef word in ms c is a byte not unsigned int could anyone shine some light on this subject why a word is a byte ming t lin mlin ichips intel com 503 696 4806 windows replacement for program manager and file manager hi there could someone please suggest one of the better shareware replacements for win3 1s program manager and file manager and which ftp site are they located at thanks in advance for e mail response yuan wiliki eng hawaii edu baseball re bosox go down in smoke ii seattle 7 0 in article franjion 735593116 spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjione writes dietz parody data io com kent dietz writes oh yea and chris bosio pitched a no hitter one over the minimum two have there ever been any other no hitters in mariner history randy johnson june 2 1990 against the tigers charles cars re questions about insurance companies esp geico wlsmith valve heart rri uwo ca wayne smith writes in article 66758 mimsy umd edu davew cs umd edu david g wonnacott writes im considering switching to geico insurance but have heard that they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim i was worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim i have also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident ive read in this group that geico has funded the purchasing of radar guns by police depts im not sure where maryland and other states to the original poster read the last 3 4 issues of car and driver about this its interesting and should be illegal chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig under construction hard hat area guns more on stupid media i just heard on cnn that the texas rangers found an m60 machine gun in the bd compound rubble the newscaster called this a new hi tech military weapon ha ha i would bet that it is that rock armory m60 semi auto or that it was leagally owned and the tax was paid what year was the m60 patented just showing you how the media is twisting the facts josh windows panasonic kx p1091i driver does anyone out there know if there are print drivers for windows for the panasonic kx p1091i 9 pin dot matrix printer medicine transplant recipients newsletter april 93 d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d dinternational newsletter april 93 this will be the first of monthly postings of the newsletter of the long island chapter of the transplant recipients international organization trio unfortunately i was unable to post it before the date of this months meeting im posting it anyway and posting it world wide instead of regional in the hopes that some of the information may be useful or illustrative also i hope it can be used as an example and inspiration for the posting of other newsletters and data related to organ transplantation and donation mike transplant recipients international organization long island chapter p o box 922 huntington ny 11743 0922 newsletter 516 421 3258 april 1993 volume iv no 8 next meeting the next meeting is wednesday april 14 at 8 pm at the knights of columbus emerald manor 517 uniondale avenue in uniondale our guest speaker will be dr lewis teperman dr teperman trained in pittsburgh under dr starzl and is now the assistant director of the liver transplant program at new york university medical center dr teperman will discuss current trends in transplantation and treatment and will answer questions he is a long time friend of trio surgeon to many of our members and always a gracious and delightful guest it is sure to be a very informative interesting and engaging evening our hospitality committee bette and vito suglia and jim spence will be well prepared and at last the weather should be cooperative we hope to see a very large gathering to welcome dr teperman wednesday april 14 k of c uniondale last meeting it has been noted here before that the long island chapter of trio has extraordinary power in predicting bad weather being able to forecast rain sleet and snow fully a month in advance no tv weatherman can match us this time we not only scored again but we were also able to disable the long island railroad making travel really difficult none the less many braved the snow and we had an interesting meeting and good conversation our scheduled speaker mrs elizabeth linnehan a professional nutritionist had a family emergency and was not able to attend she hope she will be with us in the fall to discuss diet and medications however ms jennifer friedman an image consultant and sister of a liver transplant recipient was kind enough to step in on very short notice ms friedman gave us a lot of good advice about choosing clothes and makeup even a bit for men to help us look well and healthy and to minimize some of the cosmetic effects of some of the medicine and drugs we take we are most grateful to jennifer and thank her for an entertaining evening annual meeting in addition to welcoming dr teperman the april meeting is also the annual meeting of the chapter this is the official notice of the meeting as required by our by laws the main purpose of the meeting is to review the past year solicit member views and ideas for better ways to meet their needs and to elect members of the board of directors for the coming two year term the nominating committee has prepared the following slate for the board anne liver recipient and don treffeisen robert heart recipient and eulene smith vito kidney recipient and bette suglia kay grenzig liver recipient jan schichtel kidney recipient larry juliano kidney recipient david bekofsky director public education litp those remaining on the board for another year are robert carroll liver kidney pancreas recipient jerry kidney recipient and jeanne eichhorn ron kidney donor and marie healy peter smith bone marrow recipient patricia ann yankus kidney and pancreas recipient walter ruzak kidney recipient this may seem to be a big board but many hands make light work and with our various medical uncertainties it is good to have backups for all the jobs on the board therefore in addition to the slate being presented for voting nominations will also be accepted from the floor there is no set number of board members and there is plenty of work in addition brief treasurers and membership reports will be given and the floor will be open for any new business suggestions or comments anyone would like to bring up we will keep the formal meeting short so that we can spend the majority of the time with dr teperman future meetings remember the scheduled guests for the rest of the year may 12 dr peter shaprio chief of psychiatry columbia presbyterian medical center june 9 dr felix rappaport director of the stony brook kidney transplant program plan on being with us the second wednesday of each month notdaw the week of april 18 24 is national organ and tissue donor awareness week notdaw while we are planning news releases speaking engagements and meetings with supervisors gullata and gaffney we have decided not to have our softball game because of two years experience with miserable weather we all can help spread the word on donor awareness however we have found it effective to ask your pastor or rabbi to publish a letter or announcement in the parish bulletin allow you to address the congregation or include mention of the gift of life in his sermon attached to this newsletter is a sample letter and fact sheet you can use thank you dr starzl to be honored the long island chapter of the american liver foundation will hold its annual auction and dinner dance on may 7th at the fountainbleu on jericho turnpike in jericho dr thomas starzl will be the honored guest tickets are 50 person and are going fast if youd like to meet dr starzl call anne treffeisen at 516 421 3258 for details membership news congratulations to al reese al received his heart transplant in pittsburgh after waiting 3 1 2 years he is home and doing well after only 12 days in hospital arthur michaels liver recipient is planning to run the boston marathon in april what fantastic proof that transplantation works we hope the national press notices bob mccormack after a persistent bout with infection had his transplanted kidney removed he is home now back on dialysis and feeling better nicole healy kidney recipient and daughter of ron and marie spent the past several weeks in hospital in miami with problems encountered on vacation marie has been with her in florida they are back in new york where nicoles treatment will continue we wish nicole a speedy recovery kay grenzig liver recipient is mending now after a bad fall that resulted in a broken arm and a broken leg kay is a candidate for the board so we need her well soon and best wishes to all coming out of the flu it was a tough winter for many but the tulips are just under the snow see you wednesday april 14 8 pm k of c uniondale dr lewis teperman medicine re open letter to hillary rodham clinton 7 how about posting one of her replies to your letters km cars re no haggle deals save you can be sure they wouldnt do it if it wasnt to their advantage mark windows re trumpet for windows other news readers wheres an ftp site for trumpet other than wuarchive umich something off the beaten path thanks malcolm medicine diet for crohns ibd a friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of crohns disease but she cant seem to eat certain foods such as fresh vegetables without discomfort and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence her question is are there any nutritionists who specialize in the problems of people with crohns disease i saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric thanks in advance john eyles jge cs unc edu windows re re challenge to microsoft supporters in article c7315q 5cc uceng uc edu bferrell cicada occ uc edu brett ferrell writes in article c716ra igc feenix metronet com jack feenix metronet com jack hudler writes still after the impact of all the itos at ibm all thats left of its employee base are the deadbeats i suspect well see 2 1 about 1st quarter 94 boy are you going to look silly in a couple of weeks perhaps medicine re various migraine therapies in article c4htmw h3j olsen ch lindy olsen ch lindy foster writes ive been treated to many therapies for migraine prophylaxis and treatment and it looks like theyll try a few more on me i have taken propanolol i think it was 10mg 3xdaily with no relief i have just been started 30mg per day of propranolol is a homeopathic dose in migraine if you got fatigued at that level it is unlikely that you will tolerate enough beta blocker to help you if we go the antidepressant route what is it likely to be how do antidepressants work in migraine prophylaxis probably a single nightime dose we dont know how they work in migraine but it probably has something to do with seratonin gordon banks n3jxp skepticism is the chastity of the intellect and geb cadre dsl pitt edu it is shameful to surrender it too soon windows re challenge to microsoft supporters in article 14989 news duke edu kdb teer13 acpub duke edu kurt bollacker writes rick schaut richs microsoft com wrote in article 14822 news duke edu kdb sunbar mc duke edu kurt bollacker writes i agree no one ever definitively met my challenge only batted around semantics oh well i guess things did turn out as i expected hmmm i gave two examples which matched your objective criteria and your response was some subjective claptrap about them being lame you never did counter the fact that those examples fit your objective criteria i repeat what are they you mentioned what you tried to present as innovative but what new concept was brought to market an efficient basic basic existed before and efficiency is not original either ole what new concept does that bring document oriented computing the mac had that before msw you simply havent made your point the burden of proof is upon you my exact challenge what new computing concept has ms brought to market first nothing more nothing less explain how your examples fit that criterion hmm has anyone of us computer geeks me included ever consider that inovation is not limited to software hardware true ms products do not boast features that ms invented but how many products out there by other vendors out there are truely innovative in their continuing development i think what makes ms special to the public is thier innovative pricing it is true the xwindows mac next all have some feature s in thier gui that are better than ms but people like me cant afford them it is true that apple has lower their pricing on the low end models but they are just that low end system 7 is a better operating system but the machines they operate on just are too expensive for my tastes a unix platform is powerful enuf but tell the common user to set up xdefault i am still confused on what some of them things do and they either puke or faint if u think about it low prices aint innovative if u come down to it but for the product it offers and on the lower cost and powerful hardware that it runs on as compare to macs ms is kinda innovative oh yea i guess the fact that the support products and applications they have garnered for mswindows does make them kinda innovative too dixon d ly dly joule elee calpoly edu dly oboe calpoly edu electrical and electronic engineering cal poly slo guns re gun buy back on thu 22 apr 1993 17 37 34 gmt r1328 vmcms csuohio edu wrote firearms are the fifth leading cause of unintentional deaths among children ages 14 and under from the rkba archive rkba 004 total firearm deaths for children 1 through 14 at 587 1988 is one of the smallest causes of deaths in children cars falls burns drowning food ingestion are all much larger cause of deaths 7 988 so firearms are the 6th leading cause after drowning and choking on food at least for 1988 sorry charles according to the national safety council accident facts 1991 in 1990 gun accidents were the fifth leading cause of accidental death for children ages 14 and under i dont understand how the ratio to other accidental deaths is important so guns dont kill as many children as car accidents what is the difference in severity between 1 000 deaths and 10 000 deaths the difference is that a rational person would address the leading cause first and address the lesser causes later that thinking is so screwed up i dont even know how to respond to it a rational person would concentrate on motor vehicle deaths and not attempt to affect childhood falls drownings gunshot injuries etc so this so called rational person using your definition if he or she were attempting to affect the leading causes of deaths for adults aged 25 through 64 would only worry about cancer and would not try to decrease lesser causes such as heart disease injuries stroke suicide liver disease chronic lung disease homicide hiv infection or diabetes oh okay charles that makes a lot of sense i tell you what charles ill call the heart foundation and suicide hotlines and tell them that they are not acting rational and that they can all go home because they are addressing the lesser causes of death and you call your local police homicide department liver foundation and diabetes foundation and tell them to stop addressing these lesser causes please quit wasting my time with this silly shit charles ive got an idea charles why dont you start a talk politics caraccidents group or talk politics fall group this is talk politics guns dont confuse the issue just because a social problem may not claim as many victims as another we should not try to address it i dont agree im not posting to t p g to debate the supposed severity of causes of childhood deaths i am really getting frigging sick of having to respond to the irrational statements of people who assume that someone who wants to discuss youth gun violence or unintentional youth gun deaths is trying to make a political issue out of it i assumed that any humane person would be concerned when any 10 year old got hold of their parents gun from their bedroom drawer and accidently blew away one of their friends a humane person who keeps a firearm in the house with a 10 year old would also teach this child how to safely handle the firearm ignorance is our greatest enemy again charles you tend to confuse the issue and take things out of context for your own purposes the statement that you responded to above is actually in reference to a previous post by another person who like you expressed concern over making youth gun violence a priority i guess maybe humane person and rational person could be interchangeable huh both would be defined as a person who only addresses the social problem that causes the greatest number of childhood deaths if that is the case im extremely glad that i am inhumane and irrational well joe i suggest that you talk to the center to prevent handgun violence what other sources of information do you have which confirms their data these folks are well known for misrepresenting the facts perhaps you can verify their data with the uniform crime report sorry charles the fbi uniform crime report is well known for misrepresenting the facts but if you insist according to the 1990 ucr firearm murders of youngsters 19 and under increased 125 percent between 1984 and 1990 is the national center for health statistics good enough for you they state that every day 12 american children ages 19 and under are killed in gun accidents suicides and homicides many more are wounded or how about the national pediatric trauma registry they say gunshot wounds to children ages 16 and under nearly doubled in major urban areas between 1987 and 1990 do you also doubt the american academy of pediatrics charles they state that gunshot wounds among children in urban areas increased 300 from 1986 to 1988 charles i hope you dont need to be convinced that youth are increasingly victims of gun injuries and that they have easy access to guns if you dont realize this fact i dont care if you go by cdc or fbi data or if you go into the homes schools and streets where these kids are and take a poll by yourself im not going to bother to try to convince you its obvious that you have ruled out any idea of discussing this issue in a sane fashion and that you are so focused on trying to make this a gun control and political discussion i really dont want to do that or the centers for disease control they have firearm statistics are firearms a disease charles its obvious that you know nothing about the cdc they dont just study cancer and heart disease ive got news for you interpersonal gun violence is an epidemic in 1984 surgeon general c everett koop declared that gun violence is as much a public health problem as cancer heart disease or auto accidents that you greatly underestimate the presence of guns in the lives of youths in the lives of youths or in their schools i know a number of youths who have firearms present in their lives is is quite appropriate to teach children to safely handle firearms this is a presence right what are you trying to say this innuendo reminds me of listening to bill clinton who the f k said anything about teaching children to safely handle firearm charles in the future if you are going to post to t p g and jump into a previous discussion please read the entire posting not just 1 sentence that you decide to respond to what the hell are you saying here youre wasting time and space trying to make a political and gun control issue out of a discussion that isnt the cphv reports that 135 000 youth bring guns to school daily and that 400 000 bring guns to school at least once a year i wouldnt trust their statistics without independent verification the cdc estimates that 1 out 0f 25 high school students carried a gun to school at least once in 1990 based on cphv statistics based on ucr based on what the cdc also says that 1 2 million elementary aged latch key children kids who come home from school to an empty house have access to guns in their home therefore what is the purpose of this claim charles buddy im getting really tired of this do you live on the planet mars as a physicist i realize that you probably dont come into contact with many youth but i really think you need to make a trip to your local urban high school and discover the joy of guns in schools in addition spend a few minutes talking to these kids ask them if they have ever heard gunshots in their neighborhoods whether they know anyone who has been shot whether they know anyone who has a gun whether they have ever held a gun and whether they themselves have ever been shot believe me charles that will be your independent verification rodney w thomas r1328 vmcms csuohio edu urban child research center cleveland state university cleveland oh 44115 cars re toyota land cruiser worth it tvervaek col hp com tom vervaeke writes my wife and i looked at and drove one last fall this was a 1992 model it was wayyyyyyyyy underpowered i could not imagine driving it in the mountains here in colorado at anything approaching highway speeds i have read that the new 1993 models have a newer improved hp engine im quite serious that i laughed in the salesman face when he said once its broken in it will feel more powerful i had been used to driving a jeep 4 0l 190hp engine i believe the 92s land cruisers land yachts were 3 0l the sames as the 4runner which is also underpowered in my own personal opinion they are big cars very roomy but nothing spectacular tom vervaeke email tvervaek cs itc hp com hewlett packard co phone 719 590 2133 i love animals they taste delicious the land cruiser has a l6 4 5 engine which has 200 hp and 280 torgue when i drove it here in california power is more than enough the high price is the only reason i did not buy it guns re waco clinton press conference part 1 in article blake 70 735413837 nevada edu blake nevada edu rawlin blake writes i was hoping that kent state taught us a lesson apparently not apparently the government will murder anyone they choose to still thats right despite claims that someone at kent state fire a shotgun at the the soldiers the only projectiles that anyone can prove where sent in the direction of the soldiers were rocks john f haugh ii pgp 2 1 s cs utexas edu rpp386 jfh ma bell 512 251 2151 dof 17 s jfh rpp386 cactus org guns re the usual in article viking 734084516 ponderous cc iastate edu viking iastate edu dan sorenson writes yes i am pro gun and yes i do disagree with this statement nuclear weapons in and of themselves are dangerous radioactive decay of plutonium and uranium as well as the tritium in the weapon tends to be somewhat dangerous to living things can you say neutron flux can you say i get more background radiation from living in denver or having an office in a limestone building than i do standing next to a power reactor at full power or standing next to a nuclear warhead that is armed look up shielding in your dictionary you dont need six feet of lead to make decent shielding your dead skin cell layer does an excellent job on alpha particles and neutrons are slowed by mere water what do you think 75 of you is but whatever the neutrons hit has a good chance of absorbing the neutron and becoming radioactive itself mostly that means water turning into harmless heavy water but some neutrons would also hit bones and the resulting harmfull secondard radioactives would remain in the body for decades i think an unshielded nuclear warhead could reasonably be considered a public health hazard as for a shielded warhead i think a fair amount of maintaince is required for it to remain safely shielded e g storage in a dry temperature regulated facility etc for private ownership to be unregulated i think a single individual must be able not only to keep the weapon but keep it in a safe condition if any random private citizen could not properly keep maintain and store a nuclear weapon then some regulation is clearly appropriate plus these things have no self defense purposes its kinda hard to justify their use as a militia weapon when at best they are meant for battlefield use low yield weapons or at worst for industrial target obliteration translation cities and population centers if the militia has as its job the overthrow of an illegal government they are indeed useful weapons to the militia i disagree with this purpose the job of the militia is to defend themselves and their community if you look at the american revolution as an example the militias won by seperating themselves from and becoming independent of a repressive government they didnt overthrow it and those communities canada and england for example that didnt defend themselves were still under that same old regime if the role of the militia were offensive to go out and destroy repressive governments nuclear weapons might be appropriate but their jobs is defensive and nuclear weapons arent suited for that there is also the question of personal and collective arms the second amendment definately protects ownership of personal weapons since the very nature of the militia requires members to provide their own arms but it isnt clear if it covers other arms certainly not all members would supply for example a tank only a few could or if they were to be used effectively should however those providing the heavy weapons have a disproportionate control over the militia and its fierpower the militias as the framers envisioned them were extremely democratic if only 50 of the members supported the cause only 50 would respond to a muster and the militias firepower would be proportionately reduced militia firepower and the popular will were therefore linked but if a small minority of the members supplied a large fraction of the firepower in the form of heavy weapons this would all change the militias firepower would depend on the will of a small minority not of the general public worse that minority would be quite different from the general public at the very least they would be much richer as a result i think the nature and character of the militia requires that each member provide a roughly equal share of the militias firepower his personal weapons and some equitable fraction of a squads heavier firepower frank crary cu boulder medicine re need info on circumcision medical cons and pros aezpete deja vu aiss uiuc edu writes cant imagine what its like to have a penis much less a foreskin i guess if american medicine did an artistic job of circumcising every male then the visual result would be somewhat more natural in appearance the penile cancer thing has been completely debunked she must be going to school on a south pacific island tell her to check the journal or urology for circumcision articles i remember at least 1 on an old jewish man cut at birth who developed penile cancer i mean if the cancer risk was that great the europe who have been circumcising like crazy too teaching a boy how to keep his cockhead clean is the issue a little proper hygiene goes a long way americans are just too hung up on the penis to consider cleaning it thats just way too much like mastubation so you have surgical intervention that is basically unnecessary peter schlumpf university of illinois at urbana champaign first off use some decent terms if ya dont mind this is sci med not alt sex secondly how absolutely bogus to assume that americans are just too hung up on the penis blah blah i think most americans dont care about anything so comlicated as that they just think it looks nicer ask a few of them and see what response you get others still opt for circumcision due to religious traditions and beliefs some think it is easier to clean still others do it because daddy was dont be so naive as to think americans are afraid of sexuality my son is not circumcised and i can vouch for the argument that it is more difficult to keep clean than a circumcised kids not so much that the foreskin is difficult to pull back it isnt but because my son doesnt want to wait long enough for a thorough check for smega or misplaced feces so many times it just gets a once over dab it worries me that he might get an infection due to his lack of cooperation i am sure however that he will be able to handle cleaning under the foreskin himself once he is old enough until there is always the decision at each diaper change is this the time to clean or can we wait till next time medicine re lyme vaccine kathleen richards kilty ucrengr wrote if you have time to type it in id love to have the reference for that paper thanks experimental lyme disease in dogs produces arthritis and persistant infection the journal of infectious diseases march 1993 167 651 664 jeff parke jeffp pgavin1 vetmed wsu edu also jeffp wsuvm1 bitnet aol jeffparke washington state university college of veterinary medicine class of 1994 pullman wa 99164 7012 guns re cop kills teenager acns colostate edu holland cs colostate edu douglas craig holland writes suspended police officer arrested in revenge triple homicide providence r i ap a police officer afraid he would be fired for allegedly assaulting a teen ager walked into an auto body shop wher the youth worked said youre going to die and fatally shot him and two others police said a fourth youth was wounded a fifth escaped injury by hiding under a car suspended police officer robert sabetta 23 of cranston was arrested at gunpoint over three hours after the shooting at wilsons auto enterprises in foster a rural town of about 4 000 people in northwest rhode island doug holland i think i have updated info on this my understandingis that former officer cranston approached a teenager who was being questioned by another officer officer cranston struck teenager a in the head with a heavy police flashlight causing a significant though not life threatening there is no evidence that teenager a was doing anything threatening at the time teenager a was released on bail recognizance and filed a formal complaint against officer cranston the police chief suspended cranston pending an investigation into the use of excessive force the above is pretty clear but what seems to have happened is this the chief requested cranstons gun but cranston refused to turn it over until the chief went the cranstons home to get it sources said cranston had always wanted to be a cop and was very afraid of loosing his job because of the complaint against him a few days afterward cranston allegedly walked into wilsons garage where teenager a and friends were known to hang out and work on cars as a hobby cranston fatally shot teenager a as well as teenagers b and c teenager d was shot once in the shoulder chest teenager e was working under the car and was not noticed by officer cranston teenager d went to a home and summoned police who went to wilsons garage and found the 3 corpses and one unscathed survivor a few days after his arrest officer cranston attemped to commit suicide in his cell case kim cars re do trains have radar hhtra usho72 hou281 chevron com t m haddock writes i came upon a train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over the northbound lanes just as i passed from underneath the trestle my radar detector went into full alert all lights lit and all chirps beeps and buzzes going strong could this have been caused by the trains radio or what recently manufactured locomotives have wheel slip detection systems that use frequencies shared with police radar i forget which band these will set off your radar detector if you get close enough though i believe the range is pretty short btw railroad police sometimes use radar to check for speeding trains just like regular police check for speeding cars although the intent here is for safety not revenue collection unlike with cars baseball re braves pitching updatedir grabiner math harvard edu david grabiner writes in article c5l40c 9lc murdoch acc virginia edu david robert walker writes in article 8994 blue cis pitt edu traven pitt edu neal traven writes one also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning with the split probably somewhere around 49 5 and 0 5 id give baserunning a little more credit than that maybe 45 5 or even 40 10 give a team of roberto alomar and a team of john oleruds identical batting stats which wouldnt be that unreasonable and even if you dont let roberto steal a single base theyll score a lot more than the oleruds by going first to third more often no offense gordon i wouldnt give baserunning that much value i meant to comment on this at the time theres just no way baserunning could be that important if it was runs created wouldnt be nearly as accurate as it is runs created is usually about 90 95 accurate on a team level and theres a lot more than baserunning that has to account for the remaining percent greg cars re re toyota land cruiser worth it in response to a post about suvs i got several unsolicited recommendations to check out the land cruiser despite its astronomical price the toyota dealer told me its a cult car if a car is good enough to create a passionate and loyal following there must be something really extraordinary about it so all you land crusher cultists here is your chance to convert me jonathan edwards edwards intranet com intranet inc 617 527 7020 based on my experience with a 79 fj40 the hard top jeep style model i would definitely give a new model consideration if i were in the market the older models are very well built unless toyota lost its mind i would assume until proven otherwise that the newer models have inherited some if not all of the qualities of their ancestors two major differences in the running gear that im aware of need study my 79 has a solid front axle housing whereas the newer models have independant front suspension the solid axle is theoretically stronger and more reliable than the newer model but only experience will tell the independant front suspension is no doubt a compromise made to satisfy the typical user who will never need a real utility vehicle the second difference is the type of transfer case used on the newer models im not sure but i think tioyota went to a full time 4wd or all wheel drive system the older landcruisers have a lock up type both have their advantages and disadvantages paul hovnanian hovnania atc boeing com std disclaimers apply